Raiders place franchise tag on Branch; Bush odd-man out?
By Jon Becker
Thursday, March 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders on Thursday placed the franchise tag on strong safety Tyvon Branch, which makes it unlikely that running back Michael Bush will be back next season.
Teams are permitted to use the franchise tag on only one player. Branch received that designation Thursday afternoon in a move confirmed by the Raiders a few minutes ago.
“We are pleased that Tyvon will return to the Raiders in 2012,” Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie said in a press release. “Tyvon is a talented, productive player who we hope will be wearing the silver and black for many years to come. We will continue to work on a long-term deal to make that happen.”
Phone calls to Branch’s agent, Andrew Baker, and Branch were not returned.
Going the franchise-tag route guarantees Branch approximately $6.2 million for 2012 if he signs the one-year tender. The Raiders and Branch also are free to work out a long-term contract over the next few months.
It would have cost the Raiders $7.7 million to slap the franchise tag on Bush, which is slightly more than $2 million north of McFadden’s base salary for 2012.
Bush has said in the past that he wants a chance to be a starter and that he realizes that won’t happen in Oakland as long as Darren McFadden is on the roster.
Bush filled in for an injured McFadden the final 10 games last season – McFadden suffered a severe foot sprain in the Raiders seventh game — including starts in the last nine.
He rushed for a career-high 977 yards and showed that he is capable of being a lead back in the NFL. There are several teams in need of a back of Bush’s caliber.
McFadden is back to working out at the team’s facility, according to new coach Dennis Allen. He and second-year back Taiwan Jones are the primary backs as of now, though it’s conceivable the Raiders will add a veteran in free agency.
Branch enjoyed a breakout season in 2011, when he posted 109 tackles and intercepted one pass. He started all 48 games the past three seasons.
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March 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Bye Michael Bush. Unless you will take $10.5 million over 3 years??????
March 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
159.priesttj Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You people in here are so freaking laughable it’s beyond ridiculous. You think finding players is easy as if ONLY the RAIDERS are looking for them. You think cutting everyone is the answer. There are 31 other teams bidding for their services which affects the price tag.
What makes you guys think good or great players are going to come here JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO!!!
Great players demand large contracts whether y’all realize it or not. ANYONE better than Wimbley is probably LOCKED UP!! Not to mention the contracts they will command.
You cannot just cut players with NO ONE to replace them with and just say “get someone else” WHOOO??? Players of Wimbleys talents aren’t walking the streets or else we would HAVE THEM and he would already be CUUTTT!! Get a freaking clue PLEASE!!
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Post of the day.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RAIDER NATION
March 1st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Becker, why don’t you take over for Jerry and the Cork? You would probably have more timely, better written pieces for the Nation!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
That ain’t priest. That’s a priest wannabe.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
uno
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
do you think Michael Bush will be re-signed or will the Raiders look elsewhere for a running mate for Darren McFadden?
Check back later for more on this from Steve Corkran.
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Who the hell is Steve Corkran?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
5.Seymour Bush Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
That ain’t priest. That’s a priest wannabe.
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Might be….there are few misspellings, and it doesn’t sound like a drunken rant…..hmmmmm you might be right!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Who the hell is Steve Corkran?
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hahahahahahahha….New post of the day….lol
March 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Again, let Bush feel out the (lack of) interest from other teams. Then offer him a reasonable, fair extension. If he takes it, great! If not, there’s Peyton Hillis, Mike Tolbert, BenJarvis Green-Ellis, etc, etc.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
10.RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Again, let Bush feel out the (lack of) interest from other teams. Then offer him a reasonable, fair extension. If he takes it, great! If not, there’s Peyton Hillis, Mike Tolbert, BenJarvis Green-Ellis, etc, etc.
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Plus the three or four veteran RBs who will get cut sometime after the NFL draft. No big deal if Bush walks.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Allen will turn utilize Branch all over the field and turn him into a pro bowler!
Heard it here 1st!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Whoops, I fked up.
Typing too fast.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Who the hell is Steve Corkran?
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hahahahahahahha….New post of the day….lol
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You know…the guy who hosts the live chat on Tuesday afternoons!
Usually will post a new topic once a week….
Just kidding Steve…let’s hear your 2 cents!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
I hope Wimbley restructures, simply because we have other players who need replacing moreso.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
yo
March 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
« Wimbley contract a huge burden
Report: Raiders will put franchise tag on Tyvon Branch
By Jon Becker
Thursday, March 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm in Oakland Raiders.
It appears as though the Raiders have decided to place a franchise tag on free agent safety Tyvon Branch, according to Jason La Canfora of the NFL Network.
In light of this report, do you think Michael Bush will be re-signed or will the Raiders look elsewhere for a running mate for Darren McFadden?
Check back later for more on this from Steve Corkran.
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Why Branch? Just curious. Anyone got a blog-intel explanation?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Jason La Canfora
Raiders have informed S Tyvon Branch he will be franchised. #insideslant
just now from Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Congrats to the Branch supporters.
We just made him a Top 5 NFL safety (after he agrees to a long term deal)
March 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Wimbley simply has to restructure in order to stay a raider.
As far as my take on tyvon. Refer to previous post.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Reggie McKenzie decided to tag Branch & pay Seymour’s $7.5 million bonus
Raiders rebuilding?
Nope!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Why Branch? Just curious. Anyone got a blog-intel explanation?
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Yeah, I can say why. lst off, the Raiders are extremely cost conscious right now. And safeties do not make what other defenders make so a one year tender is not back breaking. Next Branch has played well probably at a Pro Bowl level. There is no doubt about that, and losing a second guy in the secondary and arguably the one keeping it all together would be very detrimental. Lastly, Branch has led the team in tackles the last two years. We really don’t want to lose a “football player” who is not afraid to stick his none in there in both the run and passing games.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I think Palmer’s endoresement helped get Tyvon retained.
Who else will Carson lobby for?
a starter quality CB or two in free agency ???
he obviously thinks the offense is fine.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
171.r8dercain Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Jhill
what’s up bro. How’s that socal weather?
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Wassup mayne!
So Cal weather is real funny right now.
Saturday, it was like 80 something,
Rained pretty good and was super cold Monday-Wed.
Nice today.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Reggie blew it. He blew it when he let HueJax go and the franchise tag should have gone to MBush. Having a potent 1 & 2 in the backfield is just as critical as having a good QB. But RMac and Allen are defense guys, so the move was predictable. I guess it makes the defense feel important knowing they got there guy franchised. Dakota, what would you have done? Are you able to name the guy you would have tagged?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Zuma Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Why Branch? Just curious. Anyone got a blog-intel explanation?
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Supposedly Reggie and DA really like him and don’t want to see him leave. PFT referred to Branch as “a ferocious hitter than can cover a lot of ground.”
They’re either putting him at FS or keeping him at SS and building the D around him (kind of like Polamalu).
March 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
They’re either putting him at FS or keeping him at SS and building the D around him (kind of like Polamalu).
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Or they are trying to put together a team of real football players and didn’t want to let one of our better ones go.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
March 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Raymond Quarterhorse Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Reggie blew it. He blew it when he let HueJax go and the franchise tag should have gone to MBush.
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You think he should have kept the used-car salesman?
As for Bush, he had his chance when DMac went down to prove himself a big-time NFL RB. Instead, he came up small. If we can get him back for a reasonable price, fine. If not, there’s plenty of guys who can match his production in FA and we’ll get one.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Zuma Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Why Branch? Just curious. Anyone got a blog-intel explanation?
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Supposedly Reggie and DA really like him and don’t want to see him leave. PFT referred to Branch as “a ferocious hitter than can cover a lot of ground.”
They’re either putting him at FS or keeping him at SS and building the D around him (kind of like Polamalu).
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Thats a good explanation and if Allen and Mac can build around Branch we might be all right after all. Kinda nice having a defensive minded GM and HC.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Branch is a max effort guy.
If someone were to be tagged, I’d have picked him.
I’d prefer a longer term deal at less $$$ per yr, but I don’t have the “spreadsheet”
March 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Report: Raiders will put franchise tag on Tyvon Branch
what in the hell?
really? is he a top 5 Safety?
Sign him at his value or let him go. jeeesh.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Vittorio Tafur
Have also heard that the #Raiders don’t plan to bring back free-agent center Samson Satele.
just now from Tweetbot for iOS
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If this is true, maybe they’re moving Baby Wiz to C. Wouldn’t mind it, actually.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Report: Raiders will put franchise tag on Tyvon Branch
what in the hell?
really? is he a top 5 Safety?
Sign him at his value or let him go. jeeesh.
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Reggie and DA seem to feel he can be a top 5 Safety. I’ll trust their judgement.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Why Branch? Just curious. Anyone got a blog-intel explanation?
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Unlike LB, there were very few FA safeties this year, and I think Branch was the top rated free agent SS available. He would prolly have gotten more money on the open market. I’m guessing there will be more zone next season, and Branch could be a great zone player with more practice at it. He seemed to look lost with his back to the QB.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Franchuse tag a safety when we cannot stop the run. use that money on some fellas that can handle the LOS!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
The guy we signed from Fresno might be the one who takes Bush’s place.Or we might sign some UDFA to take his place.Why does everyone assume we will go after someone else’s FA?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Franchuse tag a safety when we cannot stop the run. use that money on some fellas that can handle the LOS!
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You still need the guys back there to stop the RBs who get through. Nothing wrong with paying for a top safety.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
28,Raider O is goin be ready to BOX,talkin about used car salesman like that,lol
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
really? is he a top 5 Safety?
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He didn’t need to be.
He just needed to be the best FREE AGENT safety this year to demand that price. The Raiders prolly saved money here.
This years free agent safety list was Goldson, Branch, and a herd of nothing.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Why let Satele go if we are switching to the puzzy zone blocking scheme?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Reggie and DA seem to feel he can be a top 5 Safety. I’ll trust their judgement.
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Tyvon Branch is a very smart guy and a smart football player. I am sure that is something Allen and McKenzie wanted when the decision had to be made.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Definitely a priest wannabee
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Vittorio Tafur
Have also heard that the #Raiders don’t plan to bring back free-agent center Samson Satele.
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Chris Myers from the Texans will be signed in 2 weeks!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8274ddb9/article/palmer-raiders-can-be-more-than-just-a-playoff-team?module=HP11_content_stream
Our defense last year was really really really bad. If RMac and Allen improve this defense, we are going to be a very good football team this year.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Bush walks… its not that tough finding decent RBs in teh open market, heck, Shanahans Broncos made a living of turning McDonalds cashiers into 1000+ yard running backs. Just get someone that fits the system you are running…Taiwan Jones might outrun his own shadow, but what the hell did he do running the ball?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Why let Satele go if we are switching to the puzzy zone blocking scheme?
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Because they have their eyes on an even bigger puzzy…:)
March 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Now, if only Branch were actually one of the better safeties in the league, it would make sense.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
really? is he a top 5 Safety?
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He didn’t need to be.
He just needed to be the best FREE AGENT safety this year to demand that price. The Raiders prolly saved money here.
This years free agent safety list was Goldson, Branch, and a herd of nothing.
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Or then do you really want to draft a safety in the 4th round and have to watch the guy flail around out there for two or three years? That would have been the kiss of death.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Why let Satele go if we are switching to the puzzy zone blocking scheme?
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Veldheer is being moved back to center and J. Russell will be resigned for LT spot.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Branch is probably going to get a 5-year $35 million deal
but hey, thats what you get when you have a decent “contract year” for the Raiders!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Don’t care if Branch is the best of the worse, use that money on top players.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Why let Satele go if we are switching to the puzzy zone blocking scheme?
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Veldheer is being moved back to center and J. Russell will be resigned for LT spot.
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A dancing bear that JaMarcus is.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Dakota, you haven’t answered my question. Who would you have tagged as the franchise player?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Let Branch just walk?And replace him with who-some scrub off the street?We have to keep the decent players we have while getting rid of the dead weights.That is how you build a team-not by letting your better players go.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
I doubt Satele is going anywhere, but here Reggie definitely has leverage as he can switch Wisniewski to Center if we do lose Satele.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
crister Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Now, if only Branch were actually one of the better safeties in the league, it would make sense.
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Polamalu is starting to slow down. Eric Berry tore an ACL badly so he might not quite be the same. Bob Sanders is done. Jim Leonhard took a step back. Tyvon is certainly moving up the list…
March 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Why let Satele go if we are switching to the puzzy zone blocking scheme?
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Because Satele’s a mediocre starting Center, and will never be anything more than that. Baby Wiz, in his limited playing time at C last year, was already better and will continue to improve.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Let Branch just walk?And replace him with who-some scrub off the street?We have to keep the decent players we have while getting rid of the dead weights.That is how you build a team-not by letting your better players go.
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They’ve reviewed the film, looked at the landscape, reviewed the spreadsheet, and have concluded…Branch is a keeper.
Due diligence for the Win.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Raiders are going to be busy the next two weeks no doubt.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Myers from the Texans sounds awesome. That Texans Oline is awesom! he aint coming cheap!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Anybody know anything about Green Bay Packers Free Agent Center Scott Wells?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Good news for the let Bush walk club.
Adios to Satele, please god start Wiz at center!
LT Veldheer, LG Heyer, C Wiz II, RG Hurd, RT Barksdale
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Key departures
Center Scott Wells might be a goner. He’ll probably be allowed to test the market. If he doesn’t get the kind of interest he’s counting on, Wells might be able to work something out with the team similar to how things played out last year with wide receiver James Jones.
Losing Wells would be a huge blow because the team only has journeyman Evan Dietrich-Smith as an option and Wells has been the heart and soul of the offensive line. The offense requires the center to be bright and intuitive and Wells is both of those things.
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-03-01/green-bay-packers-matt-flynn-nfl-free-agency-2012#ixzz1nuMNqJey
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Well if we are keeping Branch, and paying Wimbley 11 mill even if he does not play for us, how the hell are we going to improve that front 7?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Desean Jackson is the first official FT, by Philadelphia.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Don’t care if Branch is the best of the worse, use that money on top players.
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And replace him with WHOM?
Mitchell? Some greenhorn 4th rounder??
We need to fix the defense, not make it 100x worse.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
If Pollack and Classic Wiz think Heyer can play LG in their scheme, we can just keep him to play between Baby Wiz and Veldheer. He’ll come cheap and did a good job when called upon last year.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
BTW,Branch is thought of as one of the better young safeties in the league.Just because some of you don’t value our own players doesn’t mean other teams don’t.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Amen RaiderDuck
March 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Well if we are keeping Branch, and paying Wimbley 11 mill even if he does not play for us, how the hell are we going to improve that front 7?
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If Wimbley walks, we pay him $6.5 mil, not 11.
Anyway, we get Palmer and Seymour to restructure, cut Curry’s pay, dump Henderson and CJ, and we’ll have room to sign who we need.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
And replace him with WHOM?
Mitchell? Some greenhorn 4th rounder??
We need to fix the defense, not make it 100x worse.
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When Giordano was on the field he made plays. And I agree: do not replace Branch with one of Al’s proyects.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@64,
McClain had 2 fewer sacks than Wimbley…yeah I’m being glib, but if Rolando can get that close to Wimbley on limited blitz plays, I’m finding it easy to justify Wimbley’s release and find a subsequent replacement..
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
53.Raymond Quarterhorse Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Dakota, you haven’t answered my question. Who would you have tagged as the franchise player?
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Maddenraider,
I said a few days ago that I would have tagged Branch. He isn’t worth a long-term deal yet, but he is young and has potential. Let the Staff see what he is really made of, and if he continues to be the guy not making plays at the LOS and looking lost in the end zone, then you let him go next year.
Too many holes to fill on the defense, so why create another?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Wimbley is overrated but not as bad as Stanford Routt. If we can redo his contract, then fine. If not, let him go.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
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I agree, Al is the Raiders. But, when you draft 8 players per year and you can only name 3 or 4 from the last 5 years, well, that aint too good.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Something tells me Branch will flourish under Allen’s D. I’m hoping MM34 will salvage his career with Allen as well.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
branch was an al project….
March 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
When Giordano was on the field he made plays.
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I love his instincts and ball-hawking, but he is the only secondary player on the Raiders even slower than Mitchell.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I heard McKenzie and Allen had to resort to youtube footage to grade out Mitchell, cuz he hasn’t done schyyyyt on the field with the Raiders!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
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Everyone in here gives him credit for those awesome or near-awesome picks (even if the jury is still out on DHB — is he still improving or was that his career year?). HOWEVER, Al also drafted JaMarcus. And Fabian Washington. And Napoleon Harris. And Phillip Buchanon. And Tyler Brayton. And Matt Stinchcomb. He also gave $$$ to Larry Brown, Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, etc, etc.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
can only name 3 or 4 from the last 5 years, well, that aint too good.
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You’re being wayyyy too generous with 5 yrs. I believe Nnamdi was the only probowler from 2003 to 2010 on our roster beside Lechler. DHB is still a wasted pick.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Gio is a player he stays
March 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Wimbley will follow where ever the money leads.
As is his right.
No way the Raiders stand pat with the existing contract.
So, it’s up to His agent to determine were the new monies will come from. The Raiders on a re worked deal or another Team.
But it will be ALL about the $$$.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
MM34 has been good for 1 tackler per season so it must be hard to find the tape on him. This is from a loyal MM34 fan. Yeah, he can cover the TE decently but I’m still waiting for that consistent big hit from him like the other safeties in the league. Gholdson is awesome across the bay. Al should have thrown more money at him. I hope Allen brings in Brian Dawkins.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
yeah but some people here want to get rid any of his picks….they want to turn this team into the houston donkeys…each of those of guys had the talent to be good but they either got hurt or got lazy…it happens.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
We gave up a 3rd rounder for Wimbley? Two year rental? Bummer.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Something tells me Branch will flourish under Allen’s D.
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Just need a DC smart enough to put our playmakers in the best position to make plays. I assume if we keep Huff too, there will rarely be a lone FS on an “island.”
March 1st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I heard McKenzie and Allen had to resort to youtube footage to grade out Mitchell, cuz he hasn’t done schyyyyt on the field with the Raiders!
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LOL!
He’s done some good things, and some not so good.
I do trust however that this group of Coaches will get out of Mitchell whatever is available.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
low ceiling players give you low results constantly….
March 1st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mitchell is cheap and plays on special teams, so he is worth keeping around for another year. hopefully he suddenly becomes a stud with Allen’s coaching.
You never know……stranger things have happened…..
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
low ceiling players give you low results constantly….
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now that is the truth!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
HOWEVER, Al also drafted JaMarcus. And Fabian Washington. And Napoleon Harris. And Phillip Buchanon. And Tyler Brayton. And Matt Stinchcomb. He also gave $$$ to Larry Brown, Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, etc, etc.
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Any fan could do this on any team. Everybody thinks that Billichick is a drafting genius, but talk to the people that follow the team, and he has a long list of flops. He hit the lottery with Brady… if that had happened to Al, he wouldn’t of had a hard time putting together a winning team every year also.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
65.RaiderRetribution Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Desean Jackson is the first official FT, by Philadelphia.
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Philly should have paid this guy last year. Could have saved itself a lot headaches. Now D-Jack can ball out knowing he has some security, unlike last year. There isn’t another receiver in the NFL like him.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
93.Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
HOWEVER, Al also drafted JaMarcus. And Fabian Washington. And Napoleon Harris. And Phillip Buchanon. And Tyler Brayton. And Matt Stinchcomb. He also gave $$$ to Larry Brown, Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, etc, etc.
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Any fan could do this on any team. Everybody thinks that Billichick is a drafting genius, but talk to the people that follow the team, and he has a long list of flops. He hit the lottery with Brady… if that had happened to Al, he wouldn’t of had a hard time putting together a winning team every year also.
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Oh please, Al set records for futility as the GM….RECORDS!!!!! Most 10+ loss seasons in a row!
He just couldn’t bring himself to do the right thing and let someone else run his org. Would have rather kept losing than see another person get the credit for winning with the Raiders.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
93.Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
HOWEVER, Al also drafted JaMarcus. And Fabian Washington. And Napoleon Harris. And Phillip Buchanon. And Tyler Brayton. And Matt Stinchcomb. He also gave $$$ to Larry Brown, Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, etc, etc.
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Any fan could do this on any team. Everybody thinks that Billichick is a drafting genius, but talk to the people that follow the team, and he has a long list of flops. He hit the lottery with Brady… if that had happened to Al, he wouldn’t of had a hard time putting together a winning team every year also.
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It’s not just Brady. NE is a better organization top to bottom. Bledsoe took them to a SB just a few years before they won their 1st one. They won 11 games WTHOUT Brady in 2008. There is stability and talent at the top, and until we have that, we’ll keep losing and they’ll keep winning.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
and he won 3 super bowls
March 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
We gave up a 3rd rounder for Wimbley? Two year rental? Bummer.
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Yeah, but the guy who did that is six feet under. No sense digging that up (in ANY sense).
March 1st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Oh please, Al set records for futility as the GM….RECORDS!!!!! Most 10+ loss seasons in a row!
He just couldn’t bring himself to do the right thing and let someone else run his org. Would have rather kept losing than see another person get the credit for winning with the Raiders.
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Al needed some help, and never hired it.
Kinda ironic how in the case of the Lakers the opposite would be true, right? lol
March 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If Al had gracefully retired in 1990 or so, either Ron Wolf or Ken Herock would have taken over. Both went on to other organizations and built Super Bowl teams.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
NE has clearly been a better run organization.
Nobody can dispute that.
But they are prone to mistakes as all Teams are.
A good organizational structure helps to mitigate the “misses”
March 1st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
So its pretty hard to make a case for management that took the team on a 9 year playoff draught. On to the next argument!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
99.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Oh please, Al set records for futility as the GM….RECORDS!!!!! Most 10+ loss seasons in a row!
He just couldn’t bring himself to do the right thing and let someone else run his org. Would have rather kept losing than see another person get the credit for winning with the Raiders.
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Al needed some help, and never hired it.
Kinda ironic how in the case of the Lakers the opposite would be true, right? lol
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Yes, the Dr. is leaving and now his idiotic son thinks he can do it. At least Al could do it back in the day….according to the Dead Sea Scrolls anyhow….
March 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Al gives and takes away. Wimbley is a take away so was JR. There have been a lot more take aways than gives – hense the Raiders record since Gruden.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I’m a little shocked that they tagged him but I was hoping he’d suit up for us in 2012. Players can still sign a long term deal while tagged and then the tag is lifted, so to speak, right?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
The Raiders are not expected to re-sign free agent C Samson Satele.
Pro Football Focus rated Satele as a top-five run-blocking center in 2011, but the cap-strapped Raiders may view him as a luxury they can’t afford. 2011 second-rounder Stefen Wisniewski can be moved back to center if needed.
Related: Stefen Wisniewski
Source: Vittorio Tafur on Twitter
March 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Free agent RB Michael Bush is set to hit the open market with the Raiders placing the franchise tag on SS Tyvon Branch.
“Michael Bush, Come on down?” tweeted Bengals beat writer Joe Reedy following news that Branch had been tagged. The Raiders are over the salary cap by $16 million more than the next-closest team, so it’s hard to believe they’d make a run at re-signing Bush. We agree that the Bengals, now employing former Raiders coach Hue Jackson, are a likely landing spot.
Related: Bengals
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Bengals are going for Bush? why? not enough Cedrid Bensons on the team?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I’m a little shocked that they tagged him but I was hoping he’d suit up for us in 2012. Players can still sign a long term deal while tagged and then the tag is lifted, so to speak, right?
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Yes, the tag is lifted, BUT it can’t be used again this year.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Franchising Branch certainly does not lend credence to the rumors that we are $25 million over the cap. Bunch of bunk I think.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
the Aints have not franchised Brees? whaaaaa?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Franchising Branch certainly does not lend credence to the rumors that we are $25 million over the cap. Bunch of bunk I think.
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We WILL have to make some cuts and restructures, but we won’t lose anyone indispensable.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
the Aints have not franchised Brees? whaaaaa?
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They’ve got until Monday to tag him. No doubt they’re working on a long-term deal right now.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Robert Griffin III 40 time: 4.41…LOL! Al would have liked his fingers!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Wow
It looks like someone in the Raiders org is feeding Paul G. their numbers. This article basically lays it all out if it is to be believed:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Cutting-Wimbley-would-save-Raiders-175-m?blockID=661420&feedID=2801
I don’t see how Wimbley stays. It looks like Al had to really bend the books to keep him here and stay under the cap last time.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
As great of a player many of you think Branch is, maybe the Browns will give us a couple first rounders for him?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
As great of a player many of you think Branch is, maybe the Browns will give us a couple first rounders for him?
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That would be a pleasant dilemma to have…
March 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Franchising Branch certainly does not lend credence to the rumors that we are $25 million over the cap. Bunch of bunk I think.
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We WILL have to make some cuts and restructures, but we won’t lose anyone indispensable.
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Some of the reports saying we are $25M over, also say DHB’s contract is $8.1M this year. I trust the Semi Pro’s analysis…
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Im just glad ill never have to read about anoyher stupid fking AL Davis contract for the rest of my, life..
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
DHB for $8.1m? is he the highest paid decoy in history?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
As long as someone can teach Branch how to play in zone, we should be all right.
Once he also isn’t covering said zone, with Boyd, MM34 and Gio surrounding him, that should help a little as well.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Re post 114
Al would have licked his “expletive.”
March 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
118.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Some of the reports saying we are $25M over, also say DHB’s contract is $8.1M this year. I trust the Semi Pro’s analysis…
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Yes, I think they are just taking the reported contract price divided by the length of the player’s deal and coming up with some BS numbers. They did not account for the fact that DHB receive a bonus of about $22 million in the uncapped year, so his bonus in not prorated over the remaining years of his contract. And I doubt they know what changes were made in players contracts in previous restructures etc.
I doubt Reggie would have taken the job if we were going into 2012 $25 million over the cap lol.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Wimbly got man handled too much by good Lt’s , I didn’t think he was strong enough especially like a Harrison or dumervielle type. He needs to come down to earth and take a pay cut.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I think they leaked that they ‘would’ tag him to entice him to sign a deal. No one wants to be on the tag. I would bet Branch doesn’t play on the tag this year.
In other news, the Squeelers cut James Farrior yesterday, hows about signing him to a 1 year deal to play next to Romac in 3-4 alignments. He would definitely help the transition to a 34, even if we only use it situationally. I would bet he wouldn’t cost more than 1.5-2 mill
March 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
DHB for $8.1m? is he the highest paid decoy in history?
He did finish just shy of 1,000 yards this year. Arguably a better season than Crabtree.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I don’t think the Franchise number for a Safety is that high.
Is it even over $5 milliion a year?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Or, maybe Mark Davis surprised Reggie with two things before the ink dried on his contract?
1. Oh, by the way, fire Hue today and
2. My Dad has us $25 million over the cap…..give me a call and let me know how it shakes out.
Later.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Currys ass better regulate too, we can’t loose 2 linebackers to this already depleated week lb corps. I’ll take that MLB from cal that runs a 4.3 a freak beast.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I was hoping wimbley would fix that mess of a deal, but some people are cool with stealing millions of dollars from a crazy old man in his 80s’..
March 1st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Wimbley is Mike Spinks.
Beats up the old washed up guy, and gets pummeled and quits when facing top-flight competition.
Forget Boar-hunter, I’m not sure he would even make a good quail-hunter.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Wow steelers plan on cleaning house. First hines then smith now farrior and not franchising mike wallace just tendered him
March 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
James farrior, nice call..
March 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Yes, I think they are just taking the reported contract price divided by the length of the player’s deal and coming up with some BS numbers. They did not account for the fact that DHB receive a bonus of about $22 million in the uncapped year, so his bonus in not prorated over the remaining years of his contract. And I doubt they know what changes were made in players contracts in previous restructures etc.
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DHB’s cap # this year is somewhere around 2 million, unless he got a raise after last season that was never reported.
They also have Boss listed as counting 4.75 against the cap with a 2 mill salary, and a 750k signing bonus. He must have gotten an unreported raise after the season too.
They also said Routt is costing 11 mill towards the cap since we cut him… even though it was reported 1000 different places the day we cut him that we saved 5 mill by doing it.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Quail Hhnting with a nice English Springer Spaniel…the life!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Macho just think if Hue hadn’t orchestrated the trade for Carson, we would be in position to trade for RGIII.
Raiders qbs: Campbell, TP, RGIII.
Cudda, wooda, shoudda
March 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
None of this with Wimbley would have happened, if Al didn’t panic before the lockout and franchised him.
Worst case scenario there, would be that Wimbley would have walked in free agency, and we would have scored a decent compensatory pick for him, and saved a ton of salary and cap space.
Bad, bad move from Al (RIP)
March 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Just read that Palmer is willing to convert the remaining $38.5 million on his contract into a 2012 bonus and sign a 20 year deal for $1 per year to prorate the money.
That should help our cap room issues.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
#131: You saying Michael Spinks jammed out against Tyson…Lol.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Here are Paul G.’s salary cap savings per player cut:
Wimbley — $1,900,000-$4,500,000
LB Aaron Curry — $5,757,500
FS Michael Huff — $4,342,500 (roster bonus of $4 million due on March 15)
DT Tommy Kelly — $3,125,730
TE Kevin Boss — $2,500,000
DT John Henderson — $4,000,000
CB Chris Johnson — $3,500,000
RG Cooper Carlisle — $2,700,000
FS Hiram Eugene — $2,450,000
No problem to get the $22 mil:
We cut Eugene, CJ, Henderson and Wimbley. Total savings (assuming the high end number for #96): $14.5 million.
We then extend Curry, cutting his cap number for this year down to $1.5 million, for a $4 million savings. Up to $18.5 total.
Notifying the league office that we wish to apply last year’s cap underage to this year’s cap brings us to $22 mil.
Restructuring CP and turning $10 mil of this year’s salary into a bonus payable next year will save that $10 mil on this year’s cap. We’re up to $32. million.
Finally, we restructure and extend Seymour, cutting another $10 mil off the cap, bringing our final total up to $42 million.
We’re now not only cap-compliant, but have $20-22 million to throw at Aubrayo Franklin, Tracy Porter, a new backup RB/hammer for DMac, and whoever else.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Wimbley is Mike Spinks.
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LOL!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I don’t think the Franchise number for a Safety is that high.
Is it even over $5 milliion a year?
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It is being reported that the tag for safeties is 6.2 million
As I said 100 times since the tag period opened, 6.2 mill is a little high for Branch, but it isnt egregious like Wimbley or Routt. I think in the end Branch will end up with something like a 4 year 22-25 mill deal, but maybe only half of that guaranteed. Just a guess.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Branch’s contract should be about 1/5th of Troy P’s contract….because he is about 1/5th the player Troy P is!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
AL burnt us all with some of these sht deals. Wimbley for like 30mil guaranteed? he was not a great lb, and he only has 1 pass rush move.. Dip anyone?
March 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Duck 140
Nice work!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Dakota
Thanks Dakota! Creeping back from the edge…
March 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Just read that Palmer is willing to convert the remaining $38.5 million on his contract into a 2012 bonus and sign a 20 year deal for $1 per year to prorate the money.
That should help our cap room issues.
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LOL. You can’t prorate bonus money for any more than 5 years
March 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Raiders cutting. Steelers cutting. Both over cap. A coincidence or just getting rid of players they don’t like and using the cap as an excuse. The cap can make a difference here.
Someone posted about wanting to cut everyone. That is not where I am coming from. What I am saying is those contracts like Wimbley’s have to be dealt with now to fix the franchise. No more reloading when you are 4-12!!!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Met some buddies at the bar for the Spinks/Tyson tilt. Could tell it was over as soon as they showed Spinks’ eyes. Total animal fear and panic there.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
140. Thanks for putting all the #s in one place
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m gonna have to un follow A Curry on twitter.
I don’t go to church, but that’s all I get from the Guy.
Along with the re-tweets…Christ! Yes the pun was intended.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Duck, I posted something almost identical to this, with the exception of Palmer. In my post I extended him 1 year and got his cap # to around 8-10 mill for 3 years (of course with the hospice that the high end 4th year would never be played out, and either Palmer signing another extension at 35 or being cut)
March 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Just read that Palmer is willing to convert the remaining $38.5 million on his contract into a 2012 bonus and sign a 20 year deal for $1 per year to prorate the money.
That should help our cap room issues.
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LOL. You can’t prorate bonus money for any more than 5 years
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Gotta love the thought though!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
The Steelers are cutting older players because of what happened in Denver in the playoff game. They know they have to get younger on defense.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m gonna have to un follow A Curry on twitter.
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Yep, I had to do that awhile ago. It was bad.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
#140
That is a lot of cutting! But I do think that is what is going to happen.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Gotta love the thought though!
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Absolutely! You know if it was legal teams would do it!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
Congrats to Branch. Bet they long term him once the dust settles and they clear some cap space.
Bye Bye Mike Bush. Bye Bye Kam Wimbley
March 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Branch has us over a barrel. That defense stinks so bad, branch must look like ronnie lot next to the rest of those azzholes
March 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
CanuckRaider Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Met some buddies at the bar for the Spinks/Tyson tilt. Could tell it was over as soon as they showed Spinks’ eyes. Total animal fear and panic there.
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What’s up Canuck?
True. Tyson did that to guys back then. lol
March 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Macho just think if Hue hadn’t orchestrated the trade for Carson, we would be in position to trade for RGIII.
Raiders qbs: Campbell, TP, RGIII.
Cudda, wooda, shoudda
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We’d've kept Campbell and used the picks on D.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Correction on what i said about #140. I am not as optimistic about your restructures, but we will have some limited money for FAs if all this is done. TB will count back though and you did not account for that.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Tp ran faster than rg3 + he’s 5 inches taller. But man can rg3 sling it..
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
You saying Michael Spinks jammed out against Tyson…Lol.
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Did you see the way he was breathing pre-fight?
He looked like he was about to have an anxiety attack.
Than he started throwing jabs while completly stepping in the bucket, as they say in baseball.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Just out of curiosity. IF by some stroke of Reggie McMagic we make the Super Bowl this year (win or lose) and the Bengals get our 1st round pick in 2013 will you guys still be mad? Is 2 first round picks too much to spend on a QB that gets you to a bowl?
I doubt highly that will happen, but just for the sake of discussion? I wonder how many flip floppers there will be in here on that whole situation.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m gonna have to un follow A Curry on twitter.
I don’t go to church, but that’s all I get from the Guy.
Along with the re-tweets…Christ! Yes the pun was intended.
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I unfollowed him a while back, too. All day long, just one God Squad tweet after another. Ugh.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Correction on what i said about #140. I am not as optimistic about your restructures, but we will have some limited money for FAs if all this is done. TB will count back though and you did not account for that.
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You’re correct; I didn’t account for Branch. Still, it’s not as dire as the naysayers would have everyone think.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Sorry I wrote rg3, I have nothing personal against the romans, but I hate their fking numerals….. Im not even sure what superbowl I just watched…
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
As I said 100 times since the tag period opened, 6.2 mill is a little high for Branch,
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I think I got it now, thanks for the 101, one hundred and one times.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
You saying Michael Spinks jammed out against Tyson…Lol.
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Did you see the way he was breathing pre-fight?
He looked like he was about to have an anxiety attack.
Than he started throwing jabs while completly stepping in the bucket, as they say in baseball.
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LOL
Semi hyper ventilation.
He was steppin in the bucket because he didn’t want to step in…LOL
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Cmon, if we get to the Superbowl for 2 first round picks it will be the steal of the century!
March 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Just out of curiosity. IF by some stroke of Reggie McMagic we make the Super Bowl this year (win or lose) and the Bengals get our 1st round pick in 2013 will you guys still be mad? Is 2 first round picks too much to spend on a QB that gets you to a bowl?
I doubt highly that will happen, but just for the sake of discussion? I wonder how many flip floppers there will be in here on that whole situation.
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If we get to the AFC Championship, I think it validates.
SB is icing.
March 1st, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Sterling Moore
OHHHHHHHH!!!! The big homie @tyvonbranch just got cashed out. #Salute
less than 1 minute ago retweeted by JasonLaCanfora from Twitter for BlackBerry®
March 1st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
As I said 100 times since the tag period opened, 6.2 mill is a little high for Branch,
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I think I got it now, thanks for the 101, one hundred and one times.
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LoL you are welcome sir. Sorry, that part of my post wasn’t meant to sound like I was being a d1ck.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m gonna have to un follow A Curry on twitter.
I don’t go to church, but that’s all I get from the Guy.
Along with the re-tweets…Christ! Yes the pun was intended.
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I unfollowed him a while back, too. All day long, just one God Squad tweet after another. Ugh.
…..
Didn’t have to unfollow him. He blocked me. He was on there talking about how great life was and how blessed he was not 30 minutes after a big loss last season.
I told him if he had any pride he wouldn’t be tweeting that crap and joking around on twitter.
Then I told him Raider Nation didn’t find the situation very funny that the defense blew the game.
So I got blocked.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Im already excited for next yr. I can see why some fans are pessimistic, but I like D.A I like Carson and I like reg.. I cant wait to see how the D shakes out as far as players and the scheme..
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
SMoore is a free agent, wonder if NE ponies up for him.
Another cap casualty I think Reg should look at, Dominique Foxworth. Above average corner, with a history of injury. Would instantly be the best CB on our roster, and because of his injuries I bet he could be a nice bargain
March 1st, 2012 at 4:02 pm
$6 million per is too high for Branch.
Hopefully we can ink him for a longer term, and bring down that annual amount.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Wasbanned Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m gonna have to un follow A Curry on twitter.
I don’t go to church, but that’s all I get from the Guy.
Along with the re-tweets…Christ! Yes the pun was intended.
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I unfollowed him a while back, too. All day long, just one God Squad tweet after another. Ugh.
…..
Didn’t have to unfollow him. He blocked me. He was on there talking about how great life was and how blessed he was not 30 minutes after a big loss last season.
I told him if he had any pride he wouldn’t be tweeting that crap and joking around on twitter.
Then I told him Raider Nation didn’t find the situation very funny that the defense blew the game.
So I got blocked.
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Very “God like” of him.
You obviously are not a part of the grand loving plan.
Sinner…LOL
March 1st, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:02 pm
$6 million per is too high for Branch.
Hopefully we can ink him for a longer term, and bring down that annual amount.
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Agree.
Branch is a max effort guy.
If Reggie and DA like what they see, commit to more years, at less per.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
stellers doing it the right way…
whacking guys who no longer produce, no matter the salary…
March 1st, 2012 at 4:10 pm
watch the steller draft this year…first 5 picks will be on the D side…
March 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
smoore <—–classy youngster…coulda shoulda woulda
March 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
stellers doing it the right way…
whacking guys who no longer produce, no matter the salary…
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Alway’s better a year early than a year late. “B Rickey” (paraphrased)
March 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Good move by Reggie. Tyvon Branch and Matt Shaughnessy are the only two starters on the defense that do anything productive. Nice contract for a projected “gunner”!
Tyvon was an excellent mid round pick by Davis. Unlike the check cashers, Tyvon did not let Al Davis down.
Bush can walk. If DMAC craps out the offense is sunk anyway.
Clear out the remaining check cashers on defense and be patient.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I told him if he had any pride he wouldn’t be tweeting that crap and joking around on twitter.
Then I told him Raider Nation didn’t find the situation very funny that the defense blew the game.
So I got blocked.
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ROFLMAO….
March 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
stellers doing it the right way…
whacking guys who no longer produce, no matter the salary…
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Alway’s better a year early than a year late. “B Rickey” (paraphrased)
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seems like stellers, and NE have a knack for running guys at the right time….
March 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Clear out the remaining check cashers on defense and be patient.
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Cant argue that…
only thing I would say is keep Gio….
March 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
stellers doing it the right way…
whacking guys who no longer produce, no matter the salary…
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Alway’s better a year early than a year late. “B Rickey” (paraphrased)
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seems like stellers, and NE have a knack for running guys at the right time….
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F…ing A.
I think we’re gonna get in on some of that action now.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Only concern on offense is that Knapp does not have us going backwards… Production needs to increase upwards in ALL facets….
March 1st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I think we’re gonna get in on some of that action now.
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Truth
March 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Clear out the remaining check cashers on defense and be patient.
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Cant argue that…
only thing I would say is keep Gio….
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The “athletically challenged” Gio actually made plays.
Certainly worth a hard look.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Reg is going to be running ALL non performing assets left and right…
I will not be dismayed or angry by who ever is whacked.
If they were part of last years D, they deserve to get the business…
March 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm
JFB,
Tyvon Branch received a lot of interest as the top rated safety. A good measure is always an external view. Heard commentators talk about demand for Branch.
With competent coaching and a professional scheme, he should only get better.
Let’s clear out Wimbley so we can save the 4.5 mil. The f mil guarantreed is a sunk cost.
Clear out Kelly and let Houston, Bryant or Seymour take his spot. Production won’t miss a beat. Save the 6mil
Huff gotta restructure or go. He’s paid like ed reed
March 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Only concern on offense is that Knapp does not have us going backwards… Production needs to increase upwards in ALL facets….
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Knapp has zero excuse.
He has talent on that side of the ball.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Seymour <—– needs to restructure
March 1st, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Knapp has zero excuse.
He has talent on that side of the ball.
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egg zac lee…. He better not f it up either…
Guy has some good weapons, we better improve from last year, as we left a ton of points on the board.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Concern with the Oline going from power to ZBS.
Do we have the horses on the roster to pull that off?
March 1st, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Priest glad to see you on.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Seymour <—– needs to restructure
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I see it two ways.
Seymour plays out the 2012 string and we clear the books.
Alternately, He restructures for more years at a greatly reduced price, and we take our chances on his performance and health after the 2012 season.
I would not invest large $$$ in Seymour over extended seasons.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:24 pm
time to disappear….
Question, does it piss you off that other impostors call themselves a nation?
We all know only 1 NATION exist…
March 1st, 2012 at 4:26 pm
159.Marks hair Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Branch has us over a barrel. That defense stinks so bad, branch must look like ronnie lot next to the rest of those azzholes
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If Mr. Branch did completely shave is head, then yeah, I could see the similarities.
seriously though this was a needed move, and at only 6.2 million, a really good move.
I think this does mean Mr. Huff gets cut, if he doesn’t restructure involving a paycut.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:27 pm
This is Richard’s last year. He has something to prove.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Concern with the Oline going from power to ZBS.
Do we have the horses on the roster to pull that off?
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FA and who get’s the ax should give us an Idea.
I just hope that the dude from Houston is better equipped to evaluate ZBS players than Cable.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Seymour plays out the 2012 string and we clear the books.
Alternately, He restructures for more years at a greatly reduced price, and we take our chances on his performance and health after the 2012 season.
I would not invest large $$$ in Seymour over extended seasons.
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I agree. Restructuring is for players that we plan to have on roster for at least 2-3 years… CP, Curry, Wimbley, Huff… are all young enough to justify restructuring.
Restructuring veterans the year before they are cut is what Gruden/Callahan did, and we saw how crappy the team was for many years after that… with no easy answers in free agency.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Raiders moving Mr. Wisniewski to center is a great move, with OTA’s he can learn the system; get the off season advice from his uncle he couldn’t get last year due to the lock out.
Raiders are much stronger inside now, better for Mr. Carlisle.
This probably even better news for Mr. B. Campbell, increased opportunity to start.
Vehldeer Barksdale Wisniewski Carlisle Campbell
Raiders’ starting OLine.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Branch is worth every penny, best player on D. SS most tackles 3 yrs in a row. Just imagine him roaming like C Wood.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Heyer has experience with the ZBS in Washington. I wonder if he’ll move to LG or RT.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I agree. Restructuring is for players that we plan to have on roster for at least 2-3 years… CP, Curry, Wimbley, Huff… are all young enough to justify restructuring.
Restructuring veterans the year before they are cut is what Gruden/Callahan did, and we saw how crappy the team was for many years after that… with no easy answers in free agency.
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Exactly, you become hamstrung with inflated cap numbers and salaries for declining performance.
I REALLY don’t see that happening under Reggie.
Dude played, understands the life cycle of players and acts upon it without malice, but rather certainty.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Veldheer, Heyer, Wiz, Hurd, Barksdale.
Dare I say print it?
March 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Heyer has experience with the ZBS in Washington. I wonder if he’ll move to LG or RT.
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I hope this Guy is in the mix.
ZBS can be physical if you got big guys that can move.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Veldheer, Heyer, Wiz, Hurd, Barksdale.
Dare I say print it?
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I REALLY want Beast Campbell to claim a spot on the O LINE.
This will be his best opportunity to do so.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Wood love to see a big ugly at center. Like 6′1″ 375 with 40″ reach road grater. NT ugly playing center.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Wood love to see a big ugly at center. Like 6′1″ 375 with 40″ reach road grater. NT ugly playing center.
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“Life is better through science”
Sounds like a test tube baby to me.
He should also be “light” on His feet, and run a sub 5 second 40.
AND have a photographic memory so when he scans the d formation, he knows EXACTLY which protection to call.
That would be awesome.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Raiderlen agreed. LMFAO
March 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Veldheer, Heyer, Wiz, Hurd, Barksdale.
Dare I say print it?
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If the rumors are true that Satelle won’t be coming back, that means either a FA signing, or Wiz 2.0 to C.
I’d be mildly surprised if the Raiders extended big $$$ to a FA C.
So Wiz 2.0 it is.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Like your line up but seems more reasonable for power block scheme. Anyone remember Steelers overload blitzes two yrs ago? Fudge zbs. It sucks! !!
March 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
185.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Good move by Reggie. Tyvon Branch and Matt Shaughnessy are the only two starters on the defense that do anything productive. Nice contract for a projected “gunner”!
Tyvon was an excellent mid round pick by Davis. Unlike the check cashers, Tyvon did not let Al Davis down.
Bush can walk. If DMAC craps out the offense is sunk anyway.
Clear out the remaining check cashers on defense and be patient.
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Check cashers????? So Tyvon Branch and Shaughnessy were the only two guys on D that “earned” their money? You think Wimbley doesn’t try hard or something? What a joke! The guy gets paid because he’s damn good. As soon as Branch gets paid, will he be a “check casher” too?
March 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Just heard a rumor the Bengals are interested in Palmer. Working out details to negate the previous trade. Get our picks back. And $$$. HueJax really wants CP3 back in Cincy. Palmer reportedly flips bird to rumor. Anyone else hear that?
March 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Check cashers????? So Tyvon Branch and Shaughnessy were the only two guys on D that “earned” their money? You think Wimbley doesn’t try hard or something? What a joke! The guy gets paid because he’s damn good. As soon as Branch gets paid, will he be a “check casher” too?
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Debo, it’s about the relative compensation/performance.
So if Branch flames and is a disaster, then relative to His pay, he would become a check casher.
Like JaMarcus.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
BS
March 1st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
I thought all the trolling had been cleaned up in here. Any, gotta love what the Reggie/Allen combo are doin.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Gomer Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Just heard a rumor the Bengals are interested in Palmer. Working out details to negate the previous trade. Get our picks back. And $$$. HueJax really wants CP3 back in Cincy. Palmer reportedly flips bird to rumor. Anyone else hear that?
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That’s why your name is Gomer.
Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!
March 1st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Wimbley is overpaid but not under valued and could get close aa fa.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Gomer the TROLL….cut that BS!!
March 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
No Wimbley might mean the Raiders stick with a base 4-3 for now.
I hope they experiment with McClain at SLB.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I heard that Bo Jackson laid down the Sweet Potato Pie, got a bionic hip replacement, and will be coming back to play for the Raiders to prove once and for all that Marcus Allen was his biatch.
March 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderLen, link?
March 1st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I heard that Bo Jackson laid down the Sweet Potato Pie, got a bionic hip replacement, and will be coming back to play for the Raiders to prove once and for all that Marcus Allen was his biatch.
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Bo proved that the same night he proved the Boz was his b1tch.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
R8eray Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderLen, link?
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Uh…
It was in the “Sweet Potato Times”
In their new technology section…
See ref: Marcus = Biatch
March 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
220.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Check cashers????? So Tyvon Branch and Shaughnessy were the only two guys on D that “earned” their money? You think Wimbley doesn’t try hard or something? What a joke! The guy gets paid because he’s damn good. As soon as Branch gets paid, will he be a “check casher” too?
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Debo, it’s about the relative compensation/performance.
So if Branch flames and is a disaster, then relative to His pay, he would become a check casher.
Like JaMarcus.
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Except Wimbley never crashed and burned. The guy had 7 sacks and a hell of a lot of pressures. The guy is our best pass rusher by far and I’ve never seen anything from him that indicates he was loafing. He signed a contract based on his body of work and so far has pretty much lived up to his end. I fail to see how this makes him a “check casher”. If Wimbley is a “check casher”, what is Carson Palmer?
March 1st, 2012 at 5:05 pm
If Bo were to come back Bush could walk no problem.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:06 pm
B. Cambell is a work out beast that made a name for himself based on his pro day workout, not from his game play.
My bet is Zach Hurd and Barksdale are the better football players at this point.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Except Wimbley never crashed and burned. The guy had 7 sacks and a hell of a lot of pressures. The guy is our best pass rusher by far and I’ve never seen anything from him that indicates he was loafing. He signed a contract based on his body of work and so far has pretty much lived up to his end. I fail to see how this makes him a “check casher”. If Wimbley is a “check casher”, what is Carson Palmer?
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I’d respectfully dis agree that Kam Wimbley is worth 11 mil per.
That is the sole basis of my argument.
I’d add that it becomes much more in guaranteed money if he’s retained under the current agreement.
The Raiders can do better, relative to the $$$.
Just my opinion.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:06 pm
B. Cambell is a work out beast that made a name for himself based on his pro day workout, not from his game play.
My bet is Zach Hurd and Barksdale are the better football players at this point.
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That could be entirely true.
I was happy the Raiders waited as long as they did to draft Campbell after the combine numbers. lol
BUT the guy IS athletic, and appears to have a mean streak.
I’m hoping for an accelerated DHB type of progression.
We’ll see.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
234.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Except Wimbley never crashed and burned. The guy had 7 sacks and a hell of a lot of pressures. The guy is our best pass rusher by far and I’ve never seen anything from him that indicates he was loafing. He signed a contract based on his body of work and so far has pretty much lived up to his end. I fail to see how this makes him a “check casher”. If Wimbley is a “check casher”, what is Carson Palmer?
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I’d respectfully dis agree that Kam Wimbley is worth 11 mil per.
That is the sole basis of my argument.
I’d add that it becomes much more in guaranteed money if he’s retained under the current agreement.
The Raiders can do better, relative to the $$$.
Just my opinion.
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If he’s willing to restructure to help us out, that would be really big of him. But if he doesn’t, I won’t blame him at all. Whether you think he’s worth $11 mill or not, he’ll make that much next year. Pass rushers aren’t cheap.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Hell, even if Cambell is 2nd string, they should him in as FB on short yardage situations.
1st there was Refrigerator Perry, Cambell could be the “Kitchen”.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
If he’s willing to restructure to help us out, that would be really big of him. But if he doesn’t, I won’t blame him at all. Whether you think he’s worth $11 mill or not, he’ll make that much next year. Pass rushers aren’t cheap.
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I posted earlier that He, His agent and the Raiders, will follow the money.
His current agreement is untenable.
I trust that Wimbley will take the money, whether it comes from the Raiders in a new contract, or from someone else.
Others have compared Wimbley’s contract and production to Terrel Suggs, and have pointed out the discrepancy.
Relative to value.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Hell, even if Cambell is 2nd string, they should him in as FB on short yardage situations.
1st there was Refrigerator Perry, Cambell could be the “Kitchen”.
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LOL
You KNOW it’s been suggested in here.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Still can’t get over Palmer tucking tail avoiding blame & making excuses. This cat just doesn’t get it. Certified diva
March 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Still can’t get over Palmer tucking tail avoiding blame & making excuses. This cat just doesn’t get it. Certified diva
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Heard he’ll be on American Idol with the Pips.
Gladys got kicked to the curb.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Please Palmer admit that you have to improve for us to have any shot at all. Stop blaming injuries, they had nothing to do with your attrocious season
March 1st, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
If he’s willing to restructure to help us out, that would be really big of him. But if he doesn’t, I won’t blame him at all. Whether you think he’s worth $11 mill or not, he’ll make that much next year. Pass rushers aren’t cheap.
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I posted earlier that He, His agent and the Raiders, will follow the money.
His current agreement is untenable.
I trust that Wimbley will take the money, whether it comes from the Raiders in a new contract, or from someone else.
Others have compared Wimbley’s contract and production to Terrel Suggs, and have pointed out the discrepancy.
Relative to value
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Comparing contracts is a waste of time. It’s all timing. Wimbley just signed his deal last year. I guarantee you that when Suggs does his next deal, he’ll be making a hell of a lot more than $11 mill. And who knows, Kam might even put up Suggs-like numbers in Baltimore. Is Suggs really Suggs on our D last year? I couldn’t really care less what we do, but if DA really wants to make strides on D next year, I don’t think getting rid of our best pass rusher is a good way to start.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
242.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Please Palmer admit that you have to improve for us to have any shot at all. Stop blaming injuries, they had nothing to do with your attrocious season
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If anyone should be be running to the front of the line for a pay cut, it’s Palmer. That guy is flat-out stealing.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Debo I respect your opinion, just have to disagree.
When Reggie, a trained professional, said some contracts were “out of whack” I’m pretty sure Wimbleys was one of them.
As always, actions speak louder than words.
Let’s see what happens.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
242.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Please Palmer admit that you have to improve for us to have any shot at all. Stop blaming injuries, they had nothing to do with your attrocious season
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If anyone should be be running to the front of the line for a pay cut, it’s Palmer. That guy is flat-out stealing.
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You and Mistic should start a support group.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:39 pm
246.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
242.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Please Palmer admit that you have to improve for us to have any shot at all. Stop blaming injuries, they had nothing to do with your attrocious season
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If anyone should be be running to the front of the line for a pay cut, it’s Palmer. That guy is flat-out stealing.
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You and Mistic should start a support group.
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Based on Palmer’s last two years, how much do you think he’s “worth”? Especially when you consider the success we were enjoying with Campbell at $4 miilion per?
March 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:39 pm
246.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
242.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Please Palmer admit that you have to improve for us to have any shot at all. Stop blaming injuries, they had nothing to do with your attrocious season
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If anyone should be be running to the front of the line for a pay cut, it’s Palmer. That guy is flat-out stealing.
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You and Mistic should start a support group.
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Based on Palmer’s last two years, how much do you think he’s “worth”? Especially when you consider the success we were enjoying with Campbell at $4 miilion per?
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Good question I would say he is worth gradkowski money accept grads actually outplayed Palmer here
March 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Palmer is the real deal and McKenzie knows this. That is why he’s leaving the offense in tact. He knows Palmer would have taken us deep into the play offs if it weren’t for the disgusting sespool of a defense we had. That is why RegMac got a defense minded HC cause he knows all the offensive pieces are in place. Last year our D was gut rot. Gang green. Syphlyss. Dog poo. Bad eggs. Call it what you want, the D stunk and that is why Palmer and Moore were not in the post season.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
32.RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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Have also heard that the #Raiders don’t plan to bring back free-agent center Samson Satele.
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If this is true, maybe they’re moving Baby Wiz to C. Wouldn’t mind it, actually.
^^^^^^^^
If Satele is not kept, then Wiz is the new Center without a doubt.
Kinda surprised they would not keep Satele, since he is a ZBS guy. Depth on the OLine is always a good thing and the team had solid depth on the OLine last year. Howevr, McK and Allen can’t keep everyone, they need to restructure contracts down or release big contracts first before resigning or signing new players anyways.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:43 pm
*except
March 1st, 2012 at 5:44 pm
If Bush is not kept, Chubby McK better find a solid backup in Rounds 4-6 of the draft.
This draft is deep at DLine and RB positions. Deep at WR as well and OLine.
The LB position is average for depth.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
If your a Raider fan, you’ve got to accept CP3. Just like we had to accept JaMar and DHall and the rest. It is what it is and until Palmer mails it in, he’s a Raider. So is DHB, cuz DHB ain’t mailed it in. The defense mailed it in, but not the O.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
249.Zuma Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Palmer is the real deal and McKenzie knows this. That is why he’s leaving the offense in tact. He knows Palmer would have taken us deep into the play offs if it weren’t for the disgusting sespool of a defense we had. That is why RegMac got a defense minded HC cause he knows all the offensive pieces are in place. Last year our D was gut rot. Gang green. Syphlyss. Dog poo. Bad eggs. Call it what you want, the D stunk and that is why Palmer and Moore were not in the post season.
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Knowing our D was that bad, why the hell did CP continue to throw picks and put us in sudden-change situations? His 16 picks in 9 games had nothing to do with our demise? The guy should be walking on egshells.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
249.Zuma Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Palmer is the real deal and McKenzie knows this. That is why he’s leaving the offense in tact. He knows Palmer would have taken us deep into the play offs if it weren’t for the disgusting sespool of a defense we had. That is why RegMac got a defense minded HC cause he knows all the offensive pieces are in place. Last year our D was gut rot. Gang green. Syphlyss. Dog poo. Bad eggs. Call it what you want, the D stunk and that is why Palmer and Moore were not in the post season.
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Knowing our D was that bad, why the hell did CP continue to throw picks and put us in sudden-change situations? His 16 picks in 9 games had nothing to do with our demise? The guy should be walking on egshells.
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Easy. Same syndrone a pitcher goes thru when his defense makes a bunch of errors. Cant rely on them so he tries to ‘over pitch’ and usually does so with little success.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
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Knowing our D was that bad, why the hell did CP continue to throw picks and put us in sudden-change situations? His 16 picks in 9 games had nothing to do with our demise? The guy should be walking on egshells
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This is my biggest problem with him. He absolutley stunk it up last year, & in that entire interview not once did he own up to it. I don’t think you could get a bag of corn chips for Palmer right now, based on his last two years. He acts as if he is Tom Brady but he played like Marc wilson
March 1st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Based on Palmer’s last two years, how much do you think he’s “worth”? Especially when you consider the success we were enjoying with Campbell at $4 miilion per?
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As much as the Raiders inherited an existing contract with respect to Palmer, and with a new regime in Oakland, I expect that the new regime will negotiate to a point of comfort, or trade, or release Him…EVENTUALLY.
If Palmer leads the Raiders to the playoffs i’d imagine He will have earned his money.
We at this point, don’t really know what his actual salary will be this season.
QB’S are historically “over priced”, because if you don’t have a good one, you are most likely screwed.
Has Campbell ever reached FA? I guess maybe this will be his 1st year.
How much large money do you think he’ll receive?
March 1st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Good question I would say he is worth gradkowski money accept grads actually outplayed Palmer here
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Just for fun
Where do we slot JC?
How Much? How Long? How Much Guaranteed?
March 1st, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Pretty pathetic that Branch gets the franchise tag. He’d be a backup on any other NFL team. I hope Bush gets paid he deserves it. When McFragile misses half the season with allergies and a hangnail the Raiders will miss Bush like a diabetic misses cake. Jones is fragile too and unproven. He’s too small to be an every down back. If the Raiders master the zone blocking scheme then any RB can be a 1,000 yard usher
March 1st, 2012 at 6:03 pm
trolls…. everywhere on this board.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
There are 549 available free agents right now. Packers the least (7) 49ers the most (27) Check em out here…
http://sports-kings.com/downanddistance/?p=868
March 1st, 2012 at 6:07 pm
If the Raiders master the zone blocking scheme then any RB can be a 1,000 yard usher
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That’s why I’ve hired an agent.
I still have a life expectancy of 35 years…or less.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:08 pm
257.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Based on Palmer’s last two years, how much do you think he’s “worth”? Especially when you consider the success we were enjoying with Campbell at $4 miilion per?
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As much as the Raiders inherited an existing contract with respect to Palmer, and with a new regime in Oakland, I expect that the new regime will negotiate to a point of comfort, or trade, or release Him…EVENTUALLY.
If Palmer leads the Raiders to the playoffs i’d imagine He will have earned his money.
We at this point, don’t really know what his actual salary will be this season.
QB’S are historically “over priced”, because if you don’t have a good one, you are most likely screwed.
Has Campbell ever reached FA? I guess maybe this will be his 1st year.
How much large money do you think he’ll receive?
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Your guess is as good as mine on Campbell. Based on what he did here, he should have an opportunity to start someplace, but who knows if that will happen. HueJack couldn’t get an OC job after what he accomplished with this offense, so anything is possible. He’s definitely worth more to us than Palmer though. Palmer was outplayed by his replacement in Cincy at a fraction of the cost. No wonder Cincy is in such great cap shape.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Further proof that insanity is the quotidien mantra of sports in general and the NFL in particular.
DeSeanJ, whose numbers were south of DHB’s last season, has slacked and whined his way into an $8.8 million pay raise by being tagged.
The kid should’ve been handed a mop and a bucket to clean up his self-made mess at the Philly facility and then told to hit the bricks in search of minimum wage employment.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I think we should give the starting job to M. Bush and listen to offers for McFadden since he can’t seem to stay healthy…
March 1st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Your guess is as good as mine on Campbell. Based on what he did here, he should have an opportunity to start someplace, but who knows if that will happen. HueJack couldn’t get an OC job after what he accomplished with this offense, so anything is possible. He’s definitely worth more to us than Palmer though. Palmer was outplayed by his replacement in Cincy at a fraction of the cost. No wonder Cincy is in such great cap shape.
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The free market always seeks it’s own level.
I borrowed that from someone in here and my own course studies in economics
Hue is where he belongs right now.
Campbell’s free market value is yet to be determined.
In the free market, whom garners more $$$, Palmer or Campbell?
You know the answer.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:15 pm
If Knapp is serious about switching to exclusively ZBS then he might need a C that can make the line calls and adjustments for the O-line.
Just so happens that Texans starting C Chris Myers is an UFA in 2012.
Might be a situation worth keeping an eye on.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Heyer has experience with the ZBS in Washington. I wonder if he’ll move to LG or RT.
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I hope this Guy is in the mix.
ZBS can be physical if you got big guys that can move.
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He was the slowest lineman on our team. He’s a better fit for power blocking. Washington didnt want him back for good reason. He would be the RT if he was in the mix. Not that I expect him to be back. We can get someone better at his price.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Just so happens that Packers starting C Scott Wells is also an UFA in 2012.
Another team that utilizes a form of ZBS and a player that Reggie would know something about as well.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Jeff Saturday is also an UFA but the guy is like a 100 years old.
Don’t know how much he might have in the tank.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Carson Palmer singled out Denarius Moore as one player “I could not be more excited about.”
“What he did as a rookie, and he missed a handful of games, was amazing,” said Palmer. “Not statistically or the numbers, but the big plays that he made in big games. Momentum-changing games. Game-winning plays.” Moore will likely battle late-season breakout star Darrius Heyward-Bey for No. 1 receiver duties in 2012, with Jacoby Ford playing in the slot and on returns.
Source: CSN Bay Area Mar 1 – 8:36 PM
March 1st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
joker94583 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Pretty pathetic that Branch gets the franchise tag. He’d be a backup on any other NFL team. I hope Bush gets paid he deserves it. When McFragile misses half the season with allergies and a hangnail the Raiders will miss Bush like a diabetic misses cake. Jones is fragile too and unproven. He’s too small to be an every down back. If the Raiders master the zone blocking scheme then any RB can be a 1,000 yard usher
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Its not easy for any one person to construct a paragraph where I disagree with nearly every word, but this has to be as close as it gets! well, except maybe the part about Jones.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Raiders sign Flynn & Wells, Nicks & Colsten, Mario, & Landry; cut/trade Wimbley, Huff, & Carson.
It’s that simple, sheesh Reggie should hire me to be his consultant.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Seriously though I should’be gone after peyton over flynn.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Bye bye Bush. Kick Rocks.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:47 pm
266.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Your guess is as good as mine on Campbell. Based on what he did here, he should have an opportunity to start someplace, but who knows if that will happen. HueJack couldn’t get an OC job after what he accomplished with this offense, so anything is possible. He’s definitely worth more to us than Palmer though. Palmer was outplayed by his replacement in Cincy at a fraction of the cost. No wonder Cincy is in such great cap shape.
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The free market always seeks it’s own level.
I borrowed that from someone in here and my own course studies in economics
Hue is where he belongs right now.
Campbell’s free market value is yet to be determined.
In the free market, whom garners more $$$, Palmer or Campbell?
You know the answer.
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Not so sure. Campbell might get more.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Just so happens that Packers starting C Scott Wells is also an UFA in 2012.
Another team that utilizes a form of ZBS and a player that Reggie would know something about as well.
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Drafted in 2004 in 7th round and went to the same College as Reggie…wonder if he drafted him.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:07 pm
504 Raider Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Bye bye Bush. Kick Rocks.
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Interesting take on a guy that almost rushed for 1,000 yards in backup duty
March 1st, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Raiders should consider putting Bruce on the DLine.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:12 pm
how worried would u all be if michael bush played against us next year?..i wouldnt be too worried at all…there are way more bush’s than there are branch’s..no pun intended
March 1st, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Not so sure. Campbell might get more.
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I’ll let that stand on it’s own merit.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:15 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:07 pm
504 Raider Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Bye bye Bush. Kick Rocks.
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Interesting take on a guy that almost rushed for 1,000 yards in backup duty
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What’s he worth?
I think the sentiment expressed was in relation to Bush and a tag of 7 mil.
Is that a move you would make?
March 1st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
DMAC can’t stay healthy. He is so injury proned there is intense debate about keeiping Bush
DMAC needs to step the h… up
March 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaiderLen,
Bush doesn’t deserve the disdain. If he can get starting money…why would take less to be a caddy here.
My vitriol is reserved for that raggedy defense that many in here defend.
If Kamerion Wimbley, Tommy Kelly, Michael Huff aren’t on the firing line…then certainly a running back that actually helped the team win some games should be exempt as well
March 1st, 2012 at 7:19 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
DMAC can’t stay healthy. He is so injury proned there is intense debate about keeiping Bush
DMAC needs to step the h… up
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Intense debate a 7 large?
Where?
Did I miss something?
Bush needs to get in shape.
Had an opportunity and faded.
All great backs thrived on 20 plus carries and got stronger as the game wore on.
Bush, not so much.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Bush will be starting somewhere.
I hope DMAC can improve on his average of 11 carries a game
March 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaiderLen,
Bush doesn’t deserve the disdain. If he can get starting money…why would take less to be a caddy here.
My vitriol is reserved for that raggedy defense that many in here defend.
If Kamerion Wimbley, Tommy Kelly, Michael Huff aren’t on the firing line…then certainly a running back that actually helped the team win some games should be exempt as well
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I’m all for any other Team paying Mike Bush & large to be their feature back.
How are the others mentioned not on the firing line.
You been reading in here lately?
March 1st, 2012 at 7:22 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Bush will be starting somewhere.
I hope DMAC can improve on his average of 11 carries a game
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Me too.
Link… source?
I’m to lazy to refute.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
@287…7 large
March 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RaiderLen,
My math is total carriers over total games….including games missed
Not a good look for him
March 1st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Pick up Mike Tolbert RB-FA (SD). The perfect replacement for MBush. He’s a great ST player and he knows how to pass block too. He doesn’t require 3 opportunities at the one yd. line to score. Unlike MBush, Tolbert knows how to break a tackle and how to score when in the red zone.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RaiderLen,
My math is total carriers over total games….including games missed
Not a good look for him
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Including games missed…got it…lol
Did you take into account receptions?
Guess not.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Too much woulda, coulda, shoulda in Oakland….too much hope and dreams…..
Gotta get players that play games and put real deal production on the field…
Not imaginary statistics or almost had
March 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
JB Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Pick up Mike Tolbert RB-FA (SD). The perfect replacement for MBush. He’s a great ST player and he knows how to pass block too. He doesn’t require 3 opportunities at the one yd. line to score. Unlike MBush, Tolbert knows how to break a tackle and how to score when in the red zone.
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Sounds like the Perfect compliment to McFadden.
But Mike Bush be the MAN…lol
Can’t wait to see how that all pans out.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Too much woulda, coulda, shoulda in Oakland….too much hope and dreams…..
Gotta get players that play games and put real deal production on the field…
Not imaginary statistics or almost had
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OK, I’m down with that.
You want to pay Mike Bush 7 mil next year for what He put on the field?
Simple question.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DMAC:
553 carriers since 2008
64 total games with DMAC on the roster
Actually: 8.6 carries a game
116 receptions since 2008
1.8 receptions per game.
So, when is this guy going to actually play?
March 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
SnB wants to waste a lot of money on a dime a dozen RB like Bush and send a PRODUCTIVE player like Kelly packing.Thankfully,he is a blogger and has no say on what happens our team.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Seeing MBush across the LOS as an opponent would be a good thing for us. Stack 8 in the box and don’t worry about the edge – he can’t get there. Run a run blitz and you’ll stuff him every time. If it’s a pass, no worry, he can’t/won’t block. He demonstrated last year that he’s NOT a full time starter. In the last 4 game he averaged less than 2 YPC. Not what I would call a big threat. Let’s make a run at Marshawn Lynch or Mike Tolbert – both proven veterans that would be an upgrade over Bush.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RaiderLen,
No, I would not pay Michael Bush $7MM given the cap crunch and the massive holes on the defense.
If we had ample cap space, I would consider a contract around $5 to $6MM because of DMAC’s frequent injury history
March 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I also didn’t say we should re-sign Michael Bush….never said that.
I was responding to someone who felt Bush should just kick rocks….I didn’t agree with the sentiment.
I think Bush is a capable running back.
Lefty…I guess we will leave it to Reggie McKenszie to determine who’s “dime a dozen” and not you!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I’d say in 2012 with the Raiders for sure.
Of the games missed….47% occurred last season.
His carries were limited early in his career because Justin Fargas was the man…apparently.
McFadden suited up for 45 of 64 Pro games. or 70%
March 1st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
SnB doesn’t look at actual production,he looks at payroll.Kelly is one of the most productive interior Dlinemen in the league,but SnB doesn’t like his contract so he wants him gone which is very shortsighted.You don’t get rid of productive players an expect to get better.You get more players that produce.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Lefty,
Let’s let Reggie determine if Tommy Kelly is productive enough to justify $6MM per year
March 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RaiderLen,
No, I would not pay Michael Bush $7MM given the cap crunch and the massive holes on the defense.
If we had ample cap space, I would consider a contract around $5 to $6MM because of DMAC’s frequent injury history
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SNB, I argree with your approach & logic but disagree on the who. Bush is not the guy. He proved that last year. Here are the numbers:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10544/michael-bush
There is nothing there that says starter and that’s with an O-line that performed fairly well for runners.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RaiderLen,
No, I would not pay Michael Bush $7MM given the cap crunch and the massive holes on the defense.
If we had ample cap space, I would consider a contract around $5 to $6MM because of DMAC’s frequent injury history
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OK.
So He’s not worth 7 large. Maybe 5 or 6.
I guess we will see who bites on the Mike Bush fruit.
I’d like to have Him back at about 3 or 4.
He’s not an every down back. He’s limited in that he can not stretch the edge of the D, and his pass protection is abysmal.
He is replaceable…easily.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:40 pm
JB Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Seeing MBush across the LOS as an opponent would be a good thing for us. Stack 8 in the box and don’t worry about the edge – he can’t get there. Run a run blitz and you’ll stuff him every time. If it’s a pass, no worry, he can’t/won’t block. He demonstrated last year that he’s NOT a full time starter. In the last 4 game he averaged less than 2 YPC. Not what I would call a big threat. Let’s make a run at Marshawn Lynch or Mike Tolbert – both proven veterans that would be an upgrade over Bush.
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This!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Bush is a dime or dozen back.He doesn’t block.He can’t get around the edges.He isn’t a TEAM player.He is supposed to be a power back yet he runs like a 190 lb scat back trying to juke defenders instead of powering through them.I was a Bush supporter until after this past season.I am willing to put some of the blame on the HC for his disappointing finish to the season,but he didn’t turn out to be the back I believed he could be and I believe he will be easily replaced.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I think Kelly’s future with the Raiders will depend on whether we go with a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. If it’s 4-3, he will restructure and will stay. If it 3-4 then I still think he’ll restructure as he did in the past, but he could then be traded and would bring at least a 3rd round pick, maybe higher. Good pass rushing DT’s are valuable. He’s a good pass rusher. He’s just not that good at run stuffing. But, there would be teams interested in him.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Reggie and DA were not hired yesterday. They have watched all the film in the world on Bush to know that they can get that production for pennies on the dollar. Bush is slow, does not run hard, is not physical, and gets tired fast. And his pass blocking is nonexistent.
I was at the KC game in Oakland and we had 1st and goal at the 3 down 14-0. We turned it over on downs.
Kick Rocks I said.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Bush is a dime or dozen back.He doesn’t block.He can’t get around the edges.He isn’t a TEAM player.He is supposed to be a power back yet he runs like a 190 lb scat back trying to juke defenders instead of powering through them.I was a Bush supporter until after this past season.I am willing to put some of the blame on the HC for his disappointing finish to the season,but he didn’t turn out to be the back I believed he could be and I believe he will be easily replaced.
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Bush has never used His size to his advantage.
Twinkle toes Bush…lol
March 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Bush is a dime or dozen back.He doesn’t block.He can’t get around the edges.He isn’t a TEAM player.He is supposed to be a power back yet he runs like a 190 lb scat back trying to juke defenders instead of powering through them.I was a Bush supporter until after this past season.I am willing to put some of the blame on the HC for his disappointing finish to the season,but he didn’t turn out to be the back I believed he could be and I believe he will be easily replaced.
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Truth. What Lefty said….
March 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Lefty I think you giving Bush too much credit. I say a Nickel a dozen.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
JB Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Seeing MBush across the LOS as an opponent would be a good thing for us. Stack 8 in the box and don’t worry about the edge – he can’t get there. Run a run blitz and you’ll stuff him every time. If it’s a pass, no worry, he can’t/won’t block. He demonstrated last year that he’s NOT a full time starter. In the last 4 game he averaged less than 2 YPC. Not what I would call a big threat. Let’s make a run at Marshawn Lynch or Mike Tolbert – both proven veterans that would be an upgrade over Bush.
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Uh, yeah. But then on a pass play you send defenders and Bush slips out in the flat, catches the pass, and he outweighs your linebacking crew, AND he has a head of steam. And believe me if you think 205 pound safeties want to see a 248 pound back sprinting towards them, that gets REAL OLD REAL FAST.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Maybe Bush is easily replaced…but before he and DMAC got here, this team went years with guys like LaMont Jordon, Justin Fargas, Amos Zereoue
Its all a moot point if DMAC can give this team a full season
March 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
That’s throwing salt into the wound 504. I think we all know what we need to know regarding Bush.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Bush came in and helped the team win some games.
I have no problem with him
March 1st, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I don’t believe we will sign a FA RB such as Tolbert,Lynch,or Hillis.We will get some guy undrafted and unheard of who will be just as good as any of those guys.BTW,I’d love to have Lynch-one of the best backs in the game,but it ain’t gonna happen.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Uh, yeah. But then on a pass play you send defenders and Bush slips out in the flat, catches the pass, and he outweighs your linebacking crew, AND he has a head of steam. And believe me if you think 205 pound safeties want to see a 248 pound back sprinting towards them, that gets REAL OLD REAL FAST.
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McFadden dishes out more punishment on every touch than Bush, and it’s not even close.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
You all are treating him as if he trotted out games like Kamerion Wimbley or Michael Huff
March 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
JB Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Seeing MBush across the LOS as an opponent would be a good thing for us. Stack 8 in the box and don’t worry about the edge – he can’t get there. Run a run blitz and you’ll stuff him every time. If it’s a pass, no worry, he can’t/won’t block. He demonstrated last year that he’s NOT a full time starter. In the last 4 game he averaged less than 2 YPC. Not what I would call a big threat. Let’s make a run at Marshawn Lynch or Mike Tolbert – both proven veterans that would be an upgrade over Bush.
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Uh, yeah. But then on a pass play you send defenders and Bush slips out in the flat, catches the pass, and he outweighs your linebacking crew, AND he has a head of steam. And believe me if you think 205 pound safeties want to see a 248 pound back sprinting towards them, that gets REAL OLD REAL FAST.
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Seymour, that all sounds great but ast year he scored a total of 2 TD’s – 1 running & 1 passing. Not exactly a tornado!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Bush came in and helped the team win some games.
I have no problem with him
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I don’t either.
But in the new era of fiscal responsibility, at what price tomorrow?
Same metrics apply to the O side of the ball.
Not just the D.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:52 pm
313.Seymour Bush Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Uh, yeah. But then on a pass play you send defenders and Bush slips out in the flat, catches the pass, and he outweighs your linebacking crew, AND he has a head of steam. And believe me if you think 205 pound safeties want to see a 248 pound back sprinting towards them, that gets REAL OLD REAL FAST.
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Yeah and when a DB the size of Brent Grimes stands between him and the end zone, I put $200 on Bush stepping out of bounds to avoid contact.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:52 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
You all are treating him as if he trotted out games like Kamerion Wimbley or Michael Huff
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Not here.
He’s lumped into the production vs pay basket.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
SnB,you have no problem with him,but are you willing to pay him 4-7 mil a year?You complain when good players make avg money.Are you willing to overpay a RB like Bush?
March 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Yeah and when a DB the size of Brent Grimes stands between him and the end zone, I put $200 on Bush stepping out of bounds to avoid contact.
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Must be the bastard son of Franco Harris…lol
March 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Bush came in and helped the team win some games.
I have no problem with him
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His 1st two games were good. The following 4 were terrible. When your starting RB gets 3 shots at the one yard line and can’t get in, it’s time for a different RB. His lack of pass blocking ability almost got our QB killed more than a number of times. He’s just NOT the guy we thought he was. Let’s all move on.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Seymour, that all sounds great but ast year he scored a total of 2 TD’s – 1 running & 1 passing. Not exactly a tornado!
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No He didn’t he had 7 or 8 TD’s last year. In part time work. That ain’t bad!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
318.RaiderLen Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Uh, yeah. But then on a pass play you send defenders and Bush slips out in the flat, catches the pass, and he outweighs your linebacking crew, AND he has a head of steam. And believe me if you think 205 pound safeties want to see a 248 pound back sprinting towards them, that gets REAL OLD REAL FAST.
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McFadden dishes out more punishment on every touch than Bush, and it’s not even close.
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I’ll re-sign Crash Test Dummy to replace Bush.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I’ll re-sign Crash Test Dummy to replace Bush.
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LOL
We know he’d come cheap!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm
325-Len,that is one of the best lines I’ve read on here in ages.Thanks for the laughs!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Bush has 80 more carries than DMAC since 2008.
DMAC has to stop showing up to games in street clothes
March 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Seymour, that all sounds great but ast year he scored a total of 2 TD’s – 1 running & 1 passing. Not exactly a tornado!
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No He didn’t he had 7 or 8 TD’s last year. In part time work. That ain’t bad!
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I stand corrected. He had 7 TD’s for the 2011 season. Of that only one TD came in the last 5 games where he was the starter. The other six TD’s were through joint efforts of the offense. The last 5 games are more representative in my opinion.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Crash Test Dummy was so physical he used to come to the sidelines looking like he went out drinking with JaMarcus.
Bush comes to the sidelines, right hand holding the helmet, left hand pressing oxygen mask on face.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Gotta run. BBL.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Len,the big difference is Harris could get to the sidelines,Bush can’t get to the edges.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
SnB,you have no problem with him,but are you willing to pay him 4-7 mil a year?You complain when good players make avg money.Are you willing to overpay a RB like Bush?
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Again, I am not suggesting the Raiders re-sign Michael Bush….not saying that at all. If, and this is a big if….the cap room was there AND all our needs on that rickety defense resolved….I would consider throwing coin at him because DMAC has not demonstrated in 4 years he is an every down back.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
His 1st two games were good. The following 4 were terrible. When your starting RB gets 3 shots at the one yard line and can’t get in, it’s time for a different RB. His lack of pass blocking ability almost got our QB killed more than a number of times. He’s just NOT the guy we thought he was. Let’s all move on.
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JB, I will give you the part about protections. You would think at this point, he could block. He can’t. But, the 3 shots from the one, I put on Jackson. Everyone knew all THREE TIMES, it was going to Mike. No one can run thru an NFL defense that is keying on them. Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Adrian Peterson, no one can run thru 11 guys trying to kill them. That was Jackson more than Mike.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Len,the big difference is Harris could get to the sidelines,Bush can’t get to the edges.
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True.
I hated that SOB.
Just as one of the Fellas was about to wallop Him, he’d step out…F..er
March 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm
SnB,we aren’t comparing Bush and McFadden,we are talking about whether or not Bush is worth a boat load of money.As someone who constantly complains about what players are paid,I can’t see how you can even justify the thought of Bush being paid starter money.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Reggie and DA would make the same decision on Bush if we were $90 million under the cap.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm
SnB,we aren’t comparing Bush and McFadden,we are talking about whether or not Bush is worth a boat load of money.As someone who constantly complains about what players are paid,I can’t see how you can even justify the thought of Bush being paid starter money.
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Exactly.
The same financial metrics of pay vs production apply to both sides of the ball.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
504 Raider Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Reggie and DA would make the same decision on Bush if we were $90 million under the cap.
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That is a great way of putting it all in perspective.
I agree.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Lefty,
Put Bush on the road. Not a big deal for the team. This team has sooooo many holes and cap issues that whether or not the backup running back returns is not the big issue.
But I think the guy is a good running back.
Of course, DMAC stays healthy then its all a moot point…that is the big question…will he play in 12 games this year?
As for Bush, we will just have to wait to see what happens with him in free agency.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm
As far as production goes:
Carson Palmer, DMAC and DHB need to step up
March 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm
In Reggie I will trust.
Later Fellas!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I will say,if McFadden has another year like last year,it will probably be his last as a Raider.Reggie did make the comment that at some point no matter how talented a player might be if he can’t play what good is he.This could be a very big year for McFadden.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
The thing with Mike is he is a VERY good pass receiver. He has exceptional hands. And as I have said, with the game on line late, you don’t want to be the guy in the secondary that all of sudden realizes 29 has the rock in space and here he comes! And you are the one who has to take him down.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Lefty
Agreed on 346. DMAC has to get it right or there certainly won’t be another big contract for him
March 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
SnB,come on,Palmer showed at the end of the year he still can be elite.His ratings against Det and SD were WAY over 100.In fact his worst game against KC we won.There are a couple of people on here who claim he played terrible last year which is totally bogus-especially under the circumstances he was thrown into.He is the least of our problems.If you look at the real problems with our team you need to look no further than the LINEBACKERS.They were terrible.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
347.Seymour Bush Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
The thing with Mike is he is a VERY good pass receiver. He has exceptional hands. And as I have said, with the game on line late, you don’t want to be the guy in the secondary that all of sudden realizes 29 has the rock in space and here he comes! And you are the one who has to take him down.
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You should have suggested this to Hue so he could put it on his laminated play call sheet. That way he can refer to it whenever we had 1st and goal at the 1.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Lefty,
Offensively, they all have to tune it up. Too many games where the offense disappeared in the 2nd half….and a couple of stinkers laid in there as well.
Raiders need Carson, DHB and DMAC to really look and play as top tier.
The defense is going to struggle (in my opinion)…so the offense has to carry the day.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Only 20 more weeks till the first pre-season game.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
If DA improves our defense the way he did Denver’s in one year, We can get to the Super Bowl next year because our offense right now is way better than Denver’s.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
It used to frustrate me to no ends when we got inside the 5 and Bush would be brought in to replace McFadden.Darren was much more effective inside the 5 than Bush.Same in short yardage situations.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Only 20 weeks ..god damn seems like a light year away
March 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
The offense did disappear in the 2nd half of games but that is on the coaches not the players.Our staff was constantly out-coached last year.Adjustments were nonexistent.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Tommy Kelley stays. He’s not nearly as bad as many here make him out to be!
Run Defense or Stopping the Run
Is all about gap discipline, trusting your teammates and desire. I’ve seen our defense stop the run when they have decided and put their mind to it. It has happened although all too frequently. With our new coaches and preaching accountability, stopping the run will happen! Or heads will roll. The powers that be ate finally puting a system in place that will demand accountability. Something that has been missing as of lately around here. Al (RIP) loved his playahs to a fault, but those days are over.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
354.lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
It used to frustrate me to no ends when we got inside the 5 and Bush would be brought in to replace McFadden.Darren was much more effective inside the 5 than Bush.Same in short yardage situations.
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No chit huh! Used to make me think Hue played Fantasy Football with Bush as his starter.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
DA needs to find his Von Miller for our defense. It most likely will be in free agency. I don’t think Wimbley is “that” guy. It could very well be Branch though now that I think about it. Or to a lesser extent MM34.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I saw that Rock said on twitter that he “hoped” he got brought back “too”. dudes kinda old and he only plays special teams?
March 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
If DA gets Reggie to go out and get two of his guys from the Saints, we will be a dominant defense:
Tracey Porter and Jonathan Vilma.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
SnB,you and many others say our team has soooooo many holes.I don’t agree.If our LBs could play just avg I believe we could be a play-off team.The offense is play-off caliber.Our achilles heal is our run defense and that reflects directly on our LBers.Teams that stop the run have good LBer play.We have terrible LBer play.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
I’m down with Porter and Vilma 504!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
If we cut Wimbley, we should restructure with Curry. I don’t think we should cut both players. I think Curry can be a better SLB than WLB.
Great news about Branch.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Damn,this is sweet.Guys just talking football with no BS.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
I thought Vilma was under contract. He can be a beast at WLB.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think Curry can be used, I really don’t want to see him go.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Defensive needs are line backer and corners. Fill those holes first, then upgrade the line if possible. The problem is not the line its the back end. IMO Accountability from the coaches will cause the run defense problem to go away with a lot of the penalty problems as well. Some penalties will remain, we are the friggen raiders after all! Thank god some things never change!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Bush is a good player but we can’t afford him due to salary cap , we will need a replacement for him, good move to keeP branch in couple of years we will talk about branch as the top player on the team he’s not just valuable on the field he’s also valuable of the field as he always liked by his teammates n respected by peers n we will b fine without wimbly because beast Saughnessy (sp) will take his place n will perform better than him
March 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I actually believe with good coaching we should have a decent defense.Gang tackle,get after it.I’m not against purging the roster,just put them in position to make plays and lets see what these guys can do.After all,most are high draft picks so somebody had to see some talent there.Just get the payroll in order.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Code black
March 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I am against purging the roster.Sorry.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
yeah, I can’t wait for Shonasty to be back fo sho! For some reason tho I would almost have a Tolbert type RB than Bush. I feel like he had his chance to bust out and he didn’t. I wouldn’t be hurt if he signed somewhere else, and I was a big Bush guy (not like pubes!)!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Can I get code black from other peeps ?
March 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Code black went out with sayings such as I’m in.We need a new,better slogan.Obviously,code black didn’t work.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I actually believe with good coaching we should have a decent defense.Gang tackle,get after it.I’m not against purging the roster,just put them in position to make plays and lets see what these guys can do.After all,most are high draft picks so somebody had to see some talent there.Just get the payroll in order.
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Shonasty will surprise everyone
March 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
we don’t have to purge the roster. we just need to replace some pieces and get a different attitude. and I think the DA and Big Mac will bring it!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
With accountability in place we will see dramatic improvement on the defense, roster changes or not.
I lived Al, but his love and loyalty to his players but not his coaches created most of our defensive problems, and most of us know and have known that for some time.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
CODE BLACK!!!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Correction: loved all, not lived. Although I’ve done that as well!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Code black went out with sayings such as I’m in.We need a new,better slogan.Obviously,code black didn’t work.
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Your right , we need a new slogan I’m thinking
March 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Raider O Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
CODE BLACK!!!
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Code black
March 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Urghh!!! Spell corrector thing a ma bob! Loved Al, not lived Al or loved all, or even lived all
I said, I loved Al! There I said it! Is there a support group for me?
March 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I’m on the wagon my bros, and the band ain’t ridin’ with us! I’m gonna ride or die with the almighty Raiders. I’m going to trust that the new regime knows what they are doing and will put the best product on the field every week. Whoever they bring in or let go of I’m going to trust them. I’ve been a Raider fan 4 life and I’ll die as one. The eye patch on the pirate just switched eyes and next year we’ll be a force to be reckoned with.
Bring it mofo’s!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
I like Code Black. We should have Code Black at the O with some sirens.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm
How in the world a contract like Wimbley’s gets signed? This proves AD had lost his touch w reality. All world LB Willis gets $10m per year and then AD gives more to Wimbley.
I like Wimbley but he’s no Willis. He should get $5M per year.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Turn Off the lights, sirens, and the crowd yells Code Black.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
I’m down with code black as well! The sirens would be a nice touch!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Let’s get this thing started … Can’t wait to see our RAIDERS. Back In playoffs where they belong …
March 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Most of us loved the old man. I was concerned about the state of the Raiders when he passed, but I think Mark is doing a free job.
RIP Al. I appreciate everything you have done for the Raiders.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Free job = great job.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
365- damn,I spoke too soon.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Code black … I’m off to madden .
March 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
365- damn,I spoke too soon.
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Code black
March 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
CODE BLACK!!
March 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
With Sirens!
March 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Being we are finally talking some football, here’s my thoughts from the other night. Should provide some good give & take:
Repost:
Bush & Schilens will be gone to FA. The key resigns are Branch (S), Heyer (OG), Cartwright (RB-ST), Barnes (BU-OT), Satele (BU-C), Moss (BU-DE), Groves (BU-LB/ST), Giordano (BU-S/ST).
I’m assuming anyone indicated above with a BU designation, they can be resigned fairly inexpensively.
In addition to the above I’d like to see us go after:
• J. Gaither – OT (SD) to start at RT
• A. Spencer – LB (Dal) to start at OLB
• M. Tolbert – RB (SD) to replace Bush
• D. Connor – LB (Car) to start at OLB
• A. Franklin – NT (NO) to start at NT
• T. Porter – CB (NO) to start at CB
• D. Garrard – QB (FA) BU-QB
I’m predicting we play more 3-4 than 4-3 on D. I’m looking at Romac & Curry to be the ILB with Curry as the blitzer & Romac in coverage. My depth chart would look like:
DEFENSE
RDE – Seymour, Moss, Bryant
NT – Franklin, Houston, Ivey
LDE – Shaughnessy, Bryant, Houston
SSLB – Connor, Goethal, Groves ILB – Curry, Goethal, Connor
ILB – McClain, Goethal, Connor
WSLB – Spencer, Groves, Goethal
RCB – Porter, Checkwa, Huff
LCB – Underwood, DVD, Huff
SS – Branch, Mitchell, ?
FS – Huff, Giordano, ?
OFFENSE
WR – Ford, McGee, Murphy
TE – Boss, Ausberry, Gordon, Myers
OLT – Veldheer, Gaither, Barnes
OLG – Heyer, BCampbell, Wiz
OC – Wiz, Satele, Veldheer
ORG – Barksdale, BCampbell, Carlisle
ORT – Gaither, Barnes, Barksdale, BCampbell
WR – D-Wow, DHB, Murphy
RB – Dmac, Tolbert, TJones, Reece, Cartwright
FB – Tonga, Reece, Gordon
QB – Palmer, Garrard, Pryor, Lechler
K – Janakowski, Lechler
P – Lechler
LS – Condo
March 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
And flashing lights!
March 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I don’t know if Gaither will be a good fit in ZBS. I think Shaughnessy can be a better fit as a rush OLB over DE in 3-4 defense.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Hey JB,
All sounds good but have u figured out how we make all those moves work, relative to the salary cap? Otherwise pretty unrealistic plan ya got goin.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
And flashing lights!
$$$$$$$
Yes!!!
March 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Palmer to Moore and a healthy Dmac are gonna put up big fckng numbers. And we are going to have a legit defense to, not the stinkin sespool of a D we had last year that cost us a post season. RegMac and Allen are defense men and they mean business. The offense is in place. I’ve said since the first time I saw Moore as a pro that he is special, and Palmer knows it too. How can you not be psyched out for this upcoming season. The best yet to look forward too in a while.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
374.mcfadden20. Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Can I get code black from other peeps ?
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Heck yeah.
Code Black.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Still not sure why all this fuss about Bush. The second best Raider RB is already under contract and wouldn’t cost us an extra dime if used properly. Reese. He’s faster than Bush, has better moves, and has equal hands… and can pick up a blitz.
He just never got the ball with Hue… because Hue also had a bro-mance with Bush.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Still not sure why all this fuss about Bush. The second best Raider RB is already under contract and wouldn’t cost us an extra dime if used properly. Reese. He’s faster than Bush, has better moves, and has equal hands… and can pick up a blitz.
He just never got the ball with Hue… because Hue also had a bro-mance with Bush.
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Excellent observation.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
404,
I noticed that too. Frustrating.
He’d make a great play then…disappear.
No one ever talks about him.
All he did was make good plays.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I went over to NFL.com site and next thing I know I’m shopping on the Raiders Team page. Just going over there to see what’s up with my team news cost me $75 to read what was said on here the past two weeks.
Got a Green St Patty’s Day Raiders Flex Fit and matching shirt on the way. Nice little
logo shirt for the wife as well.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
3-4 defense
RDE: Seymour/ Bryant
NT: S Rogers/ Franklin, Houston, Ivey
LDE: Houston
OLB: Shaughnessy
ILB: McClain
ILB: Goethel
OLB: Curry/ Groves
CB: T Porter, Underwood/ Huff
CB: DVD/ Chekwa, Huff
SS: Branch, MM
FS: Huff, Gio
March 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
arkraider Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Hey JB,
All sounds good but have u figured out how we make all those moves work, relative to the salary cap? Otherwise pretty unrealistic plan ya got goin.
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That’s RM’s job to make it fit. If we either release or restructure all the contracts that are really out of whack, there should be room to make most of it work. there are things they can do that don’t have an effect on Cap space like signing bonuses that deals can be done and still fall under the Cap.
You gotta start someplace, this is my first shot out of the barrel. There will no doubt be corrections but you have to have a starting point. That was mine. Corrections welcome.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
406.djohnnyg Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
404,
I noticed that too. Frustrating.
He’d make a great play then…disappear.
No one ever talks about him.
All he did was make good plays.
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Before last season, Hue said he would use all those weapons he had at his disposal. It’s just like having the Sunday Ticket on DirecTV. You have all those games at your disposal and end up watching the Red Zone channel the whole time. (Except when the Raider play)
March 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Heyer has experience with the ZBS in Washington. I wonder if he’ll move to LG or RT.
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They need to keep Heyer for depth purposes alone. He can play anywhere on the line except for LT and Center.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Raider O Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I don’t know if Gaither will be a good fit in ZBS. I think Shaughnessy can be a better fit as a rush OLB over DE in 3-4 defense.
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If we end up with Veldheer, Heyer, Wiz, Barksdale & Gaither, we’ll have a very dominant O=line. That’s what they all ant. ZBS or Power – don’t really know where we are ending up with that. I know what works and rather than reinventing the wheel, Knapp would be better advised to just supplement what we had last year and take the win.
As far a Shaughnessy goes, he’s a real talent. Not sure how he’d do as a Tweener LB. We’ve not had good luck with that type of switch in the past. Curry is a coverage liability as an OLB. He should be gold as a run stuffing pass rushing ILB. We need 2 new OLB. Wimbley will be released soon so 2 more OLB required. Goethal may work at one spot but then again…
March 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
NATION missed out on gaither, he will be a member of the disc…so F him and his horse….
March 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
franchising Branch over Bush is almost a no brainer. Branch is worth the franchise $ for his position, and we need to spend our money on good defenders more than backup RBs. We’ll be able to find a serviceable backup running back at a reasonable price.
Cornerbacks are what we need more than anything
and some LBs, a bunch of them if the ones we have won’t re-do their contracts
Wimbley is POTENTIALLY a really good one and at the right price I’d love to have him back but Al paid guys on potential.
Beyond the money issues, giving large long term contracts based on potential after a player has his first good season is not the way to motivate players to reaching that potential.
Bush wants a chance to start
Specifically, regarding the RB position, the Packers have been finding productive but overlooked RBs repeatedly for the last decade or so. And Reggie was their main personnel guy
Al was a great personnel man when he was younger; and a lot of it was because he and staff outworked the competition and really scoured the colleges and pro teams for available talent. Back in the day, players wanted to play in Oakland. When things got dysfunctional, players only wanted to play here if they got extra/ guaranteed dough
Reggie McKenzie has a reputation of having a great track record of finding talent over the last 18 or so years with the Packers. Whether he can repeat that success here remains to be seen, but I like our chances with Reggie.
I do believe Reggie will be able to find good affordable talent and can convince some players to sign with Raiders at reasonable prices, and choose wisely on a few marquee free agents.
Without John Gruden, Al wasn’t able to do much of that in his later years.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Our first pick in the draft if he is on the board should be alameda ta’amu…
March 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
#424
A very fair accurate assessment.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
#414 corrected
March 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Gaither is a FA. The est is up the RM. If the $’s are equal, does he want to tie his wagon to a team going up or a team on the downward side of the slide? San Diego is not getting better. Their best days are behind them.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Our first pick in the draft if he is on the board should be alameda ta’amu…
$$$$$$$$
I wish bro.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
OL:
LT: Veldheer
LG: Barksdale
C: Wiz
RG: CC
RT: Campbell
March 1st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Bush is history.
I don’t know what could possibly be done about that.
They may as well just go ahead and do it already.
I’d like to have him on the team but it is what it is.
We’ll survive.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
JB Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Gaither is a FA. The est is up the RM. If the $’s are equal, does he want to tie his wagon to a team going up or a team on the downward side of the slide? San Diego is not getting better. Their best days are behind them.
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Gaither wants to play LT, he wont that photo opp in the town we smoked that chance…he will be a member of the disc…
March 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Raider O Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
OL:
LT: Veldheer
LG: Barksdale
C: Wiz
RG: CC
RT: Campbell
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yep
March 1st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
San Diego is not getting better. Their best days are behind them.
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I hope so…I hate the chargers with an unadultered passion…
March 1st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
1 NATION
March 1st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I hope so…I hate the chargers with an unadultered passion…
$$$$$$$$
Don’t forget about their fans.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Some of you guys take this all too seriously. I’ve got nothing but love for the 619. I was just in Daygo a few months ago. That town is a non-stop party. It’s not like LA. Partying and good times come before the gang drama in SD. You know that right off top. Gaslamp and the beach bars are off the hook. The only part of SD that’s lame is when you start getting inland, it’s redneck country. There’s a lot of Raider fans in SD, too. Most Charger fans I’ve met are pretty cool.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
How about Code Killers Don’t Talk?
You can’t have a fancy slogan, when you can’t even win your crappy division.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I wonder if Gaither played lights out the last game of the season, because he knew it was an opportunity for a new contract.
Because, that’s the type of player and dude he was known for in B-More.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Raider O Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I hope so…I hate the chargers with an unadultered passion…
$$$$$$$$
Don’t forget about their fans.
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I hate the 49ers with the same amount of passion and intensity as the love I have for my children.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Raider/49er beef is over since the shooting. Didn’t you get the memo? Raider Nation is on this “not a hater” movement. We’re done hating on Frisco. They can hate on us all they want to but we’re all about supporting our Raiders now. Wall Street is stealing this country blind. Gangs are bad enough. Now you have football fans beefing? Retarded. Just retarded. Get your heads straight.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
puff puff puuffff ppppuuuufffffffff puf puf
March 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
I was rooting for the 49ers in the playoffs, and I AM A Raider fan. Good to see a NorCal team making a run. Bringing our soil back to prime time. Hey, it’s on us that we weren’t the team that did it. Raiders should be jacked about the Niners getting there. Should motivate our players to get further.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Raider Nation = NOT haters.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
If it ain’t broke dont try to fix it!…….. ” Just win Baby”
March 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Man u just got to love what the Raidahs is doin it is off the charts.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Raiders place franchise tag on Branch; Bush odd-man out?
By Jon Becker
Thursday, March 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders on Thursday placed the franchise tag on strong safety Tyvon Branch, which makes it unlikely that running back Michael Bush will be back next season.
Teams are permitted to use the franchise tag on only one player. Branch received that designation Thursday afternoon in a move confirmed by the Raiders a few minutes ago.
“We are pleased that Tyvon will return to the Raiders in 2012,” Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie said in a press release. “Tyvon is a talented, productive player who we hope will be wearing the silver and black for many years to come. We will continue to work on a long-term deal to make that happen.”
Phone calls to Branch’s agent, Andrew Baker, and Branch were not returned.
Going the franchise-tag route guarantees Branch approximately $6.2 million for 2012 if he signs the one-year tender. The Raiders and Branch also are free to work out a long-term contract over the next few months.
It would have cost the Raiders $7.7 million to slap the franchise tag on Bush, which is slightly more than $2 million north of McFadden’s base salary for 2012.
Bush has said in the past that he wants a chance to be a starter and that he realizes that won’t happen in Oakland as long as Darren McFadden is on the roster.
Bush filled in for an injured McFadden the final 10 games last season – McFadden suffered a severe foot sprain in the Raiders seventh game — including starts in the last nine.
He rushed for a career-high 977 yards and showed that he is capable of being a lead back in the NFL. There are several teams in need of a back of Bush’s caliber.
McFadden is back to working out at the team’s facility, according to new coach Dennis Allen. He and second-year back Taiwan Jones are the primary backs as of now, though it’s conceivable the Raiders will add a veteran in free agency.
Branch enjoyed a breakout season in 2011, when he posted 109 tackles and intercepted one pass. He started all 48 games the past three seasons.
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Its all about the defense. Raiders goin to the big one this year. Bank it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Thec
Sweep The Leg:
“I hate the 49ers with the same amount of passion and intensity as the love I have for my children.”
Raider O :
“…I hate the chargers with an unadultered passion…”
Hmmmm…..can’t you guys find more creative pursuits?
March 1st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Hating the 49ers is to me, is like petting a puppy or eating an ice-cream cone on a summer day.
It just seems good and in perfect harmony with nature and all that is special.
I will root for them to lose every game from now until eternity.
A Raider “fan” rooting for the 49ers is beyond lame. Why don’t you just watch soccer instead.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
The Raiders need to rid themselves of the low self esteem. It’s as if they felt it was wrong to win. They’d have a team by the throat (Detroit), but just wouldn’t close it out. IT’s as if they feel winning is mean or something. Like winning’s evil. They need to teach themselves it’s ok to win. This is sports. You can win. It’s ok. When you have a team like detroit down by 2 TD late in the 4th qtr, you can put them out of their misery.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Suit yourself Sweep The Leg. When you feel like everyone is having fun except for you, you know why.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
OK.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:28 pm
I honestly believe that what separates the violent man from the timid man is that the timid man is harnessed by his conscience. He feels it’s wrong to hit another man. He doesn’t want to send another man home with a black eye, to explain to his family that he was in a fight, and lost. The guilt would be unbearable. The timid man would rather lose and bare that humiliation than be the one who inflicts it. The Raiders need to realize that in sports, it’s ok to be the one who inflicts humiliation if it’s within the rules. IT’s ok to dominate. A lot of it is genetic. Al Davis liked those guys with athletic skills yet who weren’t very good football players. I think that’s where the low self esteem permeated.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DMAC:
553 carriers since 2008
64 total games with DMAC on the roster
Actually: 8.6 carries a game
116 receptions since 2008
1.8 receptions per game.
So, when is this guy going to actually play?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
SnB,
This is what I have been saying for a long time. I hope Reggie and Allen have a replacement for Bush, and I am not talking Taiwan Jones. I predict McGlassden will go down in the 6th game, be out for the season, and after that never wear a Raiders uniform again.
Potential doesn’t count: performance does. DMAC looks very average against top tier, playoff calibre teams with winnig records. Even conceding he can run right over bottom tier, non-playoff calibre teams with losing records, DMAC has to stay on the field. And history demonstrates he cannot.
Don’t think Bush will be that easy to replace.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
If you were rooting for the 49ers to lose last year you were upset almost every Sunday. It’s too bad you had such a miserable Fall last year. I didn’t. Thought it was a great, and interesting season. A NorCal bay team made it big and that made the post season interesting to me again.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Speaking of the 9ers, there’s a Raider/Charger game from ‘99 on youtube, actual broadcast (they have a bunch of those, if anyone hasn’t checked them out), and the Charger QB was none other than Jim Harbaugh. How time flies.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
D Russ and Lance Johnston were all up in Harbaugh’s grill, too. Who’s got it better?
March 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Wimbley is good and improving and has potential to be great, but way overpaid. At the right price I’d love to have him back but Al paid guys on potential. Aside from money issues, there is the anti-motivator effect, for the team and the player, when players get big paydays before they earn them. The consistent NFL teams have their player salary budget priorities straight.
The last time we won was when Gruden convinced vets to sign at bargain rates and picked the right players.
The cap is an accounting issue and it’s true that it can be mitigated but it is a real issue. Sure, the accounting department can make things more palatable but when we have these huge long term guaranteed contracts that Al gave out it is a hinderance to building the team we need to do better than 8-8. Jerry says you can endlessly redo the contracts to get under the cap, and you can, but you end up dragging the contracts out longer and you often end up where we’re at.
Wimbley is inconsistent and does disappear at times but he is a great athlete, 28 years old, still improving with only 2 years as a 4-3 LB with pass coverage responsibilities, has done well at times setting the edge on runs and has made some big plays in pass defense while he’s learning there, obviously can blitz, and seems like a smart guy with his head screwed on straight. I’ll bet the new coaches would love to work with him. If he wants to stay he’ll compromise on the money, if not he can take the 11.2 million guaranteed and sign for what he’s worth with another team. I would think he’s worth about 5 million a year, but if Routt got 6.5 million maybe Wimbley will get 8. We need to decide what he’s worth to us, and if he agrees to cut pay to something near what he’s worth then we save the 11.2 million guarantee and bring him back. Otherwise, goodbye and good luck. Only all pros should get 10.5 million a year
As far as Joe Barksdale playing LG, he didn’t look comfortable there last year when they tried him (albeit without much preparation). He looks like a tackle to me. So does Campbell. However, in zone blocking scheme they could work out at guard. I have some question whether Barksdale will be a good fit for zone blocking scheme. He looked like a good tackle prospect in last year’s blocking scheme
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 am
Listen up I got something to say, Fk all you so called raider fans that feel the need to talk schit about the greatest Raider ever, The Late Great Al Davis. Show some fking respect man, let the man rest and peace. Not sure why some of you still feel the need to bash him daily, give it a fking rest, some of you muthafkers are fake @ss fans, who sound more like Donkeys or Queefs fans.
I know theres alot of Real Tru Raider fans on here, but man reading through some of these post makes me shake my head and wonder why some these fools ever became Raider fans.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Who bashed Al as a human being? Criticism of his management is inevitable. He was the former GM. If Al didn’t want his results as an NFL owner/gm to be discussed after his death, he should have opened a barber shop. But as far as people dissing Al’s person, I agree with you. Let him rest in peace.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 am
FA wish list:
dt/nt soliai
Ilb j.farrior
Fs v.goldston
cb. Carr
Cb. T.porter
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:36 am
Gaither had problems even thinking about playing RT for the Ravens. he subsequently lost 25 or so lbs (required for a RT) and developed a back injury. Even though Veldheer is an “up & comer” don’t think that is enough to convince Gaither to move to the Oaktown RT. He does take advantage of his height & long arms to keep pass rushers from circumnavigating around him. I don’t think Veldheer, whom to me has more of a RT skill set would fancy the relocation plan himself. So to avoid “inner conflict” I have to rule Gaither out as a Raider. Other LT starved NFL units could entice him to their location. . .
Shonasty as a LDE in a 3-4? Nah, way too small. Have to be @ least 300 lbs to play that position. That’s really a 5 technique DT. At one point Kelly was a good 3-4 DE. . .Seymour cut his teeth @ that position. Bryant would do well there. The Raiders salcap problems probably won’t allow them to sign Solai from Maimi to play the nose tackle (I wouldn’t mind the move to the 3-4 if this could be accomplished. With Ivey as the backup this would really be a good move.
Wimbley plays in spurts only. His four sacks against the Dischargers were after McNeil left the game (& perhaps his career) with his neck/concussion (Sid Crosby, anyone. Hope I don’t have to explain that). . .when the Raiders hosted the Dischargers & Gaither was the LT Wimbley drew the collar. I don’t think he is consistent enough to draw the huge salary. Let him go & try to sign Lofton from Atl. However, he probably plays the same 3-4 ILB that Romac plays; somebody has to take on blochers & that’s obviously not Romac’s game. However, since he is more @ home in the 3-4 you gotta give him one more chance. . .
Love all the backing for Marcel Reese. . .some heady bloggers are seeing what I saw all last year; faster, better moves & more versatile as a RB than Bush. . .
I believe huff can be cajoled into taking less ca$h to come back. he played most of last year on a high ankle sprain & then a bad hammy. leave him @ the FS with branch as rover/SS. . .If hue hadn’t blown the coin flip that led to Eugene’s broken hip Giordano is just a backup (if he even would have been considered for the roster @ all) I believe the Raiders would have realized much more consistent play in hte deep secondary (liked Giordano’s instincts but three of those int’s were just bad decisions by the QB; one was a bad route by Vincenmt Jackson; Giordano was actually a liability, not the most consistent FS around. Don’t forget Hiram’s end zone pick of “Big Ben” in Pitt in 2010, folks).
The Raiders will be better served with Barksdale & his long arms @ RT with the ever improving Veldheer @ LT. I wonder if Veldheer, Legacy & Barksdale are working out @ Veldheer’s “Body Shop (what a great name for a workout facility. Think I need to copywrite that title)” this offseason.
The Raiders still will need speed @ the WOLB pisition. Curry will be better @ the SOLB.
I think Chekwa, if he can conquer his injury problems (supposedly the downtime has allowed him to get his balky shoulder much better. Jury’s still out, however) can be a major player @ CB. I like Carr but so do many other NFL teams that already have #1 corners. Carr probably can only be a #2 corner. . .still leaves a void for a #1 cb, but if the Raiders play more zone than man-to-man that should somewhat mitigate that problem. But that should be the Raiders defensive achillies heel, along with WOLB. . .Von Millers don’t grow on trees.
BTW; while we’re @ it my assessment that Miller would be a top tier rush LB came to fruition. . .noit to give the Donks a pat on hte back but, well, I do spot talent quite efficiently (I’ll administer the pat on hte back to myself). . .
I have to side with CP’s pr assessment that the Raiders are closer to a championship team (on offense) than others think. I know he is doing this to win the support of Diva Ford, Murphy & DHB, but the results are in the pudding. He is obviously close to Moore (I think he will firmly surpass Ochocinco in the long run or whatever he calls himself this year) & I think he’ll be a top tier WR. . .CP seems to love Ausberry’s upside; perhaps he can be to the TE/HB what Reese is to fullbacks. . .as pass receivers rac threats. . .
did I miss anything? A new center, although the ZBS befits Satele’s skill set, leaving Legacy @ LOG until further notice. Still like him better @ center. . .
Raiders do need a new slogan. Will be working on that along with the other ardent S&B old school fans. . .hopefully DMAC will heal from his foot injury. . .what a downer. . .or Jones finally rids himself of his injury concerns. . .the speed potential makes one salivate. . .
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:42 am
. . .And Carlisle is a ZBS guard, which gives the Raiders another year to fill that (stopgap) position. . .so the potentials there. . .just need some time to acquesce to the new systems. . .
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 am
Good stuff Antispy3! And hear hear to get the Reese band wagon rolling. The guy has only been playing in the backfield for a few years but seems to have all the instincts of a veteran… not sure why Hue couldn’t recognize it… you would think someone on staff could point out his frigging 6.6 YPC average. Watching Bush take 14 straight carries up the gut for 28 yards and then Reese getting one carry for 8 would turn some heads one would think. But alas… not with the Raiders.
Hopefully someone on the new staff has better tape review abilities…
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 am
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March 2nd, 2012 at 4:08 am
BCZ,
I respect your opinions on stuff, and youre usually spot on. But you guys got the “dead money” stuff mixed up.
Here’s the breakdown for you:
Contracts are made up of two parts, salary (non-guaranteed) and signing bonus (guaranteed)
Only the salary counts against the salary cap. Until a player is cut, and then, the role is reversed and its the Bonus Money for the following year that counts against the cap.
After that following season (2013 in this case), the money paid to the player doesnt count against count against the salary cap. But the money is still paid to the player, thus the term “DEAD MONEY”. All Signing Bonus money is ALWAYS paid as scheduled to the player. No matter how many years or when they are cut. And that is the definition of DEAD MONEY.
The signing bonus “DEAD MONEY” only counts against the cap for the following season (in this case 2012) after a player is cut, but that doesnt mean that once its no longer against the cap, that the player isnt still getting paid. That is the give and take with signing guys to huge signing bonuses to avoid the salary cap. You can have a super expensive talented roster, and easily make it under the cap, but then you have a ton of money that you MUST payout over time. Unless you are the Redskins or Cowboys, its very hard to do long term, and crippling if the players dont work out and you end up cutting them.
Jamarcus is still collecting checks from the Raiders. Just like Wimbley will be all the way thru the 2014 season no matter if he is cut or not. His SIGNING BONUS is guaranteed no matter what. Even work stoppages and re-worked CBA’s cannot affect this structure. It’s been the basic foundation since the beginning of the modern style CBA with franchising and salary caps.
Currently, Wimbley’s signing bonus does not count against our cap, but his salary does. Which is about 4.5 million. We cut him, and all of a sudden his SIGNING BONUS (or aka “Roster Bonus”) payment of 6.5 million counts against the cap and all of a sudden we are paying him 6.5 for nothing.
He has all the leverage here. We wont cut him. Cutting him actually raises our salary cap figure by 2 million.
We have three options with Wimbley:
- Pay him his 11 million (6.5 signing bonus + 4.5 salary) this season and next, and cut him this time in 2014 when the hit is only 2 million. But then again, like DHB now, if he’s playing good and costing you only 2 mil, why cut him then?
- Cut him (still pay him the 6.5 mil this year, 11 in signing bonus for 2013, and 2 for signing bonus in 2014. Only the 6.5 counts against the cap, but he still gets paid, even if he signs with another team)
- Restructure his deal (which if done, wont change the amount he is owed, because Wimbley would never agree to such, but what they could do is shift all the money to be even more guaranteed, so that less of it counts against the cap. But this further makes cutting him impossible down the road because the more you guarantee him, the bigger hit you take when you cut him the following year if you decide to do so).
Honestly, we gain nothing from cutting him. Im all for cutting losses and rebuilding. No point in going down the same path, but it’s not like we can just bite the bullet on this one. Cutting him INCREASES our cap figure by 2 million.
This isnt rocket science. The Raiders are just in a messed up position. Al was always good at convincing players to restructure and pay them down the road. But he’s not here and were not mortgaging the future anymore in that fashion. The accountants in Alameda are probably ecstatic.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:10 am
EDIT paragraph 5 should start off
“After that following season (2012 in this case)”
sorry
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:11 am
EDIT again, after re-reading, I had it right the first time.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:27 am
So, in closing, you guys need to stop thinking of him as an 11 mil dollar player.
He’s currently a 4.5 million dollar player. Because that is what counts against the cap. The other 6.5 million is Mark Davis’ problem, not “The Gut’s”
We’re on the hook for that 6.5 mil no matter what. So forget about it. It’s not the issue. It’s only a issue if we cut him and then we are paying him 6.5 to do nothing, and our cap problems get even worse.
If anyone knows the breakdown of CP’s deal (salary vs bonus) we can easily break down his deal here and tell if a re-working is feasible, likely, or even reasonable.
He’s due what, 12.5 mil this year? Im inclined to believe a lot of that is guaranteed. I doubt Palmers cap figure is that bad.
And then there is Seymore. Who’s deal is and even 7.5/7.5 mil. We get nothing for cutting him. It saves us no money with the cap. It only saves Mark Davis 7.5 million. If we cut him, Seymore still gets paid his 7.5 of bonus, and we have 7.5 counting against our cap either way. Might as well have him play. What I dont want to see is a restructure. No point in making the Seymore problem worse by pushing it to next year unless you plan on keeping him for next year, which I doubt we do. Then again, he did play hurt all year. IMO, let him finish out the deal, and then next year 7.5 comes off the cap. That is a huge number.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:35 am
Oh, and one last thing,
A new CBA will take DEAD MONEY off the salary cap for that season going forward. Because of the “new salary cap”
But “off the salary cap” and “off the books” are two different things.
And after that year, its back to business as usual. And that dead money is still paid to players like javon, jamarcus, and all the rest.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 am
The only guys we should be looking at re-structuring, are the guys with high “salaries”. So to make their deals more bonus heavy.
But therein lies the problem that got us into this mess in the first place. WE start guaranteeing more money to save this years cap, and we handicap ourselves even more down the road because we wont be able to cut guys!
The ONLY players that should be getting bonus heavy deals are guys that are guaranteed to produce:
- CP (make it 99% guaranteed for all I care. effort will never be this guys issue)
- Branch (again, 99% guaranteed. he’s the kind of player we want)
- DHB (he’s a high effort guy, im not worried about him mailing it in)
- Reece (he’s irreplaceable)
For now, until our young guys are ready for new deals, everyone else needs to be more salary heavy so that we can cut them if they dont produce. That is the only restructuring that should be going on. But the problem with that is we cant restructure in that direction. More salary equals higher cap number.
We’re in a bind big time. The answer is to either dig the hole deeper or start cutting guys that are currently high-salary (higih cap-figure) guys. IDK who falls under that category at the moment.
Any suggestions?
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:04 am
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Code black went out with sayings such as I’m in.We need a new,better slogan.Obviously,code black didn’t work.
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New slogan: “It’s all good.”
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 am
Riff, you are wrong. The way a signing bonus works is say I sign you to a 4 year deal and I give you a 10 million signing bonus, that means the day you sign the contract I give you 10 million dollars, that 10 million is then prorated for cap purposes over the life of the 4 year deal (10/4 = 2.5 mill cap hit each of the 4 years). Now, if I cut you after year 1, the remaining prorate portion of that signing bonus automatically comes due in the form of a 7.5 mill cap hit (2.5 mill x 3 remaining years = 7.5 mil).
I don’t know where you got the notion that signing bonuses don’t count towards the cap. If that were true everyone in the NFL would have league minimum contracts with absurd bonuses, and the whole league would have 70 mill in free cap space.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 am
you know the talking heads on tv dont know what there talking about when they say michael bush will be an excellent pass protector for whomever.are you kidding me bush is the worst pass blocker I’ve ever seen.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 am
462.Mark Clemens Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:04 am
Lefty12 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Code black went out with sayings such as I’m in.We need a new,better slogan.Obviously,code black didn’t work.
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New slogan: “It’s all good.”
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“No More Scholarships”
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 am
goodbye Kam !
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:44 am
We are NOT still cutting Jamarcus Russell checks. He got all the money he was ‘owed’ (remember Al was trying to sue him to get money back!). We cut him prior to the 2010 season which was uncapped, which allowed us not to have any cap hit at all.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:46 am
There is so much false information in those posts I can’t even get through it. If Wimbley only cost 4.5 million towards the cap we wouldn’t be having a convo about cutting him!
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 am
BCZ, relax.
it’s Friday!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 am
I’m wondering what will happen with HUFF now. BRANCH and MITCHELL are under contract and I think GIORDANO will be available at a lower pay. That’s 3 safeties.
Will HUFF be one of the new CB’s with one of the young guys at the other?
I think so.
I also think that if SATAELE is cut at C, a FA will be signed to take his place, somebody mentioned the PACKERS guy.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 am
GOODBYE #18 #55 #96 #24 #21 fn wish #92 #52 #51 #29 #81 and def #84 and you to hue hahahahahaha.the aforementioned all BUMS!
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 am
o thanks forgot about him goodbye #34
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:51 am
469.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 am
BCZ, relax.
it’s Friday!!!
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I am relaxed rock, I am trying to dispel the huge amount of incorrect information this guy posted thouh.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:51 am
How did Reggie McKenzie come to the conclusion that it’s ok to overpay Seymour & Branch, but it’s not ok to overpay Wimbley & Routt?
is it as simple as you can’t afford to overpay everyone?
Seymour & Branch’s flaws can be corrected with coaching, but those other guys are a lost cause?
I mean, none of those players are Top 10 at their respective positions. The defense as a whole was terrible. There weren’t any areas I would consider “bright spots” or areas in which I came away impressed by performance
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
It’s Friday, yes! However, work tomorrow…:@
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
Tyvon Branch was a bum under Defensive Coordinator John Marshall.
I think he owes Chuck Bresnahan half of that $6.2 million
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:55 am
It’s Friday, yes! However, work tomorrow
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Hwnrdr,
you’re sick…aren’t you?
I think you’re coming down with something!
you’d better stay home & rest. make you you don’t give it to your co-workers
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 am
LOL, Rockstar! I wish…it’s a team project that we are coming in for…
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 am
*make sure
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 am
I wish…it’s a team project that we are coming in for
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Hwnrdr,
there is no “I” in team.
coming in sick and spreading germs to save face to management is selfish. you’ve got 4,872 hours of sick time. use it!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:02 am
POST-465..I’LL STICK WITH “JUST WIN BABY” IF THERE MUST BE A SLOGAN..
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:05 am
what do you guys make of Satele being told to kick rocks?
this is one move ROG can get behind.
Samson has been beat out at C by Veldheer & Wiz. even Chris Morris a few years ago. However, he seems to be getting better. the weak links on the o-line have forever been the Tackle spots.
hopefully Veldheer gets it together in Year #3. the RT better be filled by somebody more talented & productive than Barnes, Heyer, Sims, Gallery, Campbell, Harris, Henderson or Green!
do you think we have a shot at Chris Myers (Texans) in free agency?
he’s the best zbs center in the league and happens to be a free agent. happens to have a history with knapp & pollack
Does Wiz II slide over to C? If so, who will play LG?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 am
I’LL STICK WITH “JUST WIN BABY” IF THERE MUST BE A SLOGAN..
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Dirt Lot,
didn’t Lane Kiffin come up with that?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 am
I think Satele can be kept on for depth…
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 am
NOT EVEN SURE LANCE CAME UP WITH THAT STUPID “I’M IN” THING..GOOD MORNING BY THE WAY.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 am
I think Satele can be kept on for depth…
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all those weird charts have Satele ranked as a Top 10 center in the league. That one article said we wouldn’t keep him because it would cost too much. I don’t buy that
I think Satele would sign a peanuts contract to be assured a shot to compete for the starting C gig and stay in Oakland
I think management has other plans. I’m ok with that, just curious to know what those others plans are
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 am
NOT EVEN SURE LANCE CAME UP WITH THAT STUPID “I’M IN” THING..
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Dirt Lot,
Kiffin came up with “I’m Out”
or was that Petrino?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 am
474.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:51 am
How did Reggie McKenzie come to the conclusion that it’s ok to overpay Seymour & Branch, but it’s not ok to overpay Wimbley & Routt?
is it as simple as you can’t afford to overpay everyone?
Seymour & Branch’s flaws can be corrected with coaching, but those other guys are a lost cause?
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Seymour isn’t a done deal yet, they have plenty of time to get him a new, more cap friendly deal, and worst case scenario is it is only a one year problem.
Branch, is overpaid at 6.2 million, but as you yourself have said only by a 1.5 mill or so, not nearly as egregious as some of the other “out of whack” contracts. I said last night, I doubt Branch plays on the tag this year, a long term deal will be worked out.
Routt and Wimbley get the axe because their contracts are HUGE problems for 3-4 years!
That make sense to you?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 am
MAYBE THATS WHAT HE SCREAMS AT HIS WIFE..
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:15 am
all those weird charts have Satele ranked as a Top 10 center in the league. That one article said we wouldn’t keep him because it would cost too much. I don’t buy that
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Satele is ranked as a top 10 run blocker, but his pass blocking rankings are in the bottom 7 or 8.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 am
Look at the contract the Browns gave D’Qwell Jackson
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/dqwell-deal-has-10-4-million-guaranteed/
how the BLEEP did Al Davis come up with those “out of whack” figures to pay Wimbley?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:20 am
how the BLEEP did Al Davis come up with those “out of whack” figures to pay Wimbley?
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The (multi) million dollar question
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:21 am
I think we should keep Satele. Overall, I’d keep our offense intact if we can. We didn’t allow that many sacks and ran quite well.
On Defense, some of those players looked worse than they were. 2 years ago our D Line was one of the top 5 in the league in my opinion. Last year made it look a whole lot worse (and Shaunessy missing hurt).
On Wimbly, it was really stupid. He agreed to something like a one year 3.8 million dollar contract which wasn’t allowed because of some formality and then we tagged him and WAY overpaid what we needed to.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:22 am
Satele is ranked as a top 10 run blocker, but his pass blocking rankings are in the bottom 7 or 8.
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BCZ,
but look at our sack numbers from last year. pretty low
were our QB’s hit & pressured a bunch?
perhaps Satele had help?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 am
The consensus is that Khalif Barnes sucks… you just said a few minutes ago that Veldheer needs to finally step up in his third year.
I supposed I could ask you the same question right?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 am
IS BRUCE CAMPBELL WORTH ANY MORE EFFORT OR A WASTE OF TIME ?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:32 am
mcskinnnylegs Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 am
you know the talking heads on tv dont know what there talking about when they say michael bush will be an excellent pass protector for whomever.are you kidding me bush is the worst pass blocker I’ve ever seen.
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I remember watching the same show last night thinking they obviously do not watch the games. OBVIOUSLY.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 am
Seymour isn’t a done deal yet, they have plenty of time to get him a new, more cap friendly deal, and worst case scenario is it is only a one year problem.
Branch, is overpaid at 6.2 million, but as you yourself have said only by a 1.5 mill or so, not nearly as egregious as some of the other “out of whack” contracts. I said last night, I doubt Branch plays on the tag this year, a long term deal will be worked out.
Routt and Wimbley get the axe because their contracts are HUGE problems for 3-4 years!
That make sense to you?
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I guess so. I don’t think Reggie is doing a bad job. Just isn’t doing things the way I would have (which is probably a good thing)
It’s clear we’re not rebuilding. I don’t see how some Raider fans act like we don’t even have a shot at the playoffs!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 am
496.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 am
IS BRUCE CAMPBELL WORTH ANY MORE EFFORT OR A WASTE OF TIME ?
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I don’t think anyone could actually answer that. He has never really had a chance to show one way or the other. He was inactive through all of camp and some of the preseason last year with an undisclosed injury, and I don’t think Hue ever activated him for a game after Al passed away.
I think he will get an opportunity to prove himself in camp this year, if he doesn’t he will be cut for sure.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 am
BCZ,
Wylie did an incredible job with a bunch of misfits and cast offs. plus a rookie Wiz and an asst O-Line coach who came in with no experience
I don’t know that I’d replace ANYBODY on the O-Line until it’s been determined they aren’t a good fit in the ZBS or would be too expensive to re-sign or retain
Let’s see if Pollack can take lemons and make lemonaid the same way Wylie did..
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 am
It’s clear we’re not rebuilding. I don’t see how some Raider fans act like we don’t even have a shot at the playoffs!
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Typical over reaction. We only cut 1 guy. Plus the media still paints a picture of doom and gloom with our cap situation. We read the same stuff every year. “Is there any team in the NFL with a worse cap situation than Oakland?” We spent months debating last year when we were 40 million over the cap at one point, and now it is a FACT that we have $3 million in unused cap money from last year to use against this year…
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 am
I think he will get an opportunity to prove himself in camp this year, if he doesn’t he will be cut for sure.
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Agreed. Bruce Campbell is your new Fullback
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 am
I say if needed, put Bruce Campbell on the line…any line! Wasn’t there talks about seeing if he has what it takes to go D? I don’t know…he never got a fair shake, maybe this offseason? if he doesn’t do well this year to at least get on the field, then maybe we have to cut ties with him!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 am
I don’t know that I’d replace ANYBODY on the O-Line until it’s been determined they aren’t a good fit in the ZBS or would be too expensive to re-sign or retain
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We need to upgrade the RT position. I am fine with keeping Coop and Satele in there, but of course I wouldn’t be at all mad if we upgraded either. Vel and Wiz are young up and coming studs that will be with us for years to come!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 am
TARVER + BRUCE CAMPBELL = WIMBLY’S REPLACEMENT…
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 am
TARVER + BRUCE CAMPBELL = WIMBLY’S REPLACEMENT
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LOL!
can you imagine a 315 lb OLB ???
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:50 am
BCamp played RG for Cable and RT for Jackson.
wonder what he’ll play under Dennis Allen?
kick the can on the freeway??
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:52 am
Fullback responsibilities in the ZBS:
Outside Zone:
The full back is reading the first defensive player on the line of scrimmage head up to outside of the TE (within the box). This player is called the “read key.” At the snap of the ball, the fullback will look at that man. If he widens, the fullback automatically knows the ball is going to be run inside of that man. At this point, he then gets his eyes on the “cut key.” The cut key is the next defensive player on the LOS moving inside to the ball (3 technique). If the “cut key” widens laterally, the fullback will adjust his course and run inside of that man and look to block a linebacker. If that “cut key” should shoot inside or get reached by the RG, the fullback will run his course inside of the initial “read key” and outside of the “cut key” and most likely run in to the Sam.
Now, if at the snap the “read” key is reached by the TE or shoots inside, the fullback will run his course outside of the “read key” and the “cut key” is disregarded. In this case, the fullback will end up blocking the force player who is most likely the Strong Safety coming down in to the box from a depth position.
Inside Zone:
The full back still maintains “read key” and “cut key” reads. The “read key” is the 5 tech. DE. If he widens, the fullback will look to run up inside and lead on the Will. If the DE jumps inside, the fullback will look to block the Will on the outside of the LT. In the case that the 1 tech works outside too much, the FB may have to bend it back inside of the Center to pick up the Mike while the Guard would then go to the Will.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
Awesome site explaining the ZBS scheme. It is a Packers site, but has great info
http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/xs-os-zone-blocking-scheme
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
Good Morning A.M. Crew!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
thanks BCZ.
BCamp would be a mismatch blocking LB’s and the occasional SS, wouldn’t he?
he has the strength, agility & quickness unless those freakish combine numbers were deceiving. He should be tossing those dudes around like ragdolls
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 am
For those who wanted Brent Grimes…Atlanta will place the franchise on him today, per Schefter!
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 am
511.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
thanks BCZ.
BCamp would be a mismatch blocking LB’s and the occasional SS, wouldn’t he?
he has the strength, agility & quickness unless those freakish combine numbers were deceiving. He should be tossing those dudes around like ragdolls
Was it last years pre-season that everytime he was on the field a fight would break out?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
A mismatch sure, but does he have the football intelligence to make those quick blocking decisions, especially with never having played running back, if he can’t effectively pick it up as a lineman?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 am
For those who wanted Brent Grimes…Atlanta will place the franchise on him today, per Schefter!
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Who wanted Grimes…he is small, slow and garbage. The Pack exposed him, as did the Saints, and he held out with an “injury” to insure he’d be completely healthy for FA.
Pass. I’ll take Cortland Finnegan, instead or William “There’s nothing wrong with that” Gay
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:52 am
Fullback responsibilities in the ZBS:
Outside Zone:
The full back is reading the first defensive player on the line of scrimmage head up to outside of the TE (within the box). This player is called the “read key.” At the snap of the ball, the fullback will look at that man. If he widens, the fullback automatically knows the ball is going to be run inside of that man. At this point, he then gets his eyes on the “cut key.” The cut key is the next defensive player on the LOS moving inside to the ball (3 technique). If the “cut key” widens laterally, the fullback will adjust his course and run inside of that man and look to block a linebacker. If that “cut key” should shoot inside or get reached by the RG, the fullback will run his course inside of the initial “read key” and outside of the “cut key” and most likely run in to the Sam.
Now, if at the snap the “read” key is reached by the TE or shoots inside, the fullback will run his course outside of the “read key” and the “cut key” is disregarded. In this case, the fullback will end up blocking the force player who is most likely the Strong Safety coming down in to the box from a depth position.
Inside Zone:
The full back still maintains “read key” and “cut key” reads. The “read key” is the 5 tech. DE. If he widens, the fullback will look to run up inside and lead on the Will. If the DE jumps inside, the fullback will look to block the Will on the outside of the LT. In the case that the 1 tech works outside too much, the FB may have to bend it back inside of the Center to pick up the Mike while the Guard would then go to the Will.
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Jason Snelling may figure in this, or Justin Forsett – both played in ZBS…..and are effective
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 am
Good Morning Sam
I seen there were a few posters that wanted Grimes…I don’t…Finnegan, I don’t know…will he get the same treatment with the yellow falgs as did Routt? William Gay could be interesting…
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 am
The thing with BC is that we don’t really know what he is struggling with. The only time the guy ever got on the field was in the ‘elephant package’ which was our short yardage, just push forward package.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:20 am
how the BLEEP did Al Davis come up with those “out of whack” figures to pay Wimbley?
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The (multi) million dollar question
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My only answer; “my way or the highway”…these are the players I picked, and there going to play for us or nobody.
seriously, thats the only logic I read out of this….its always hard toward the end of a brilliant career when age catches up…..
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 am
Jason Snelling may figure in this, or Justin Forsett – both played in ZBS…..and are effective
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They aren’t fullbacks.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 am
Bruce cambell at rt and Jo barksdale at rg in pre season these fools were droppin fools and starring fights , I expect our oline to be nasty if wiz is preachin how to play, he’s still an oline asst. right?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 am
A mismatch sure, but does he have the football intelligence to make those quick blocking decisions, especially with never having played running back, if he can’t effectively pick it up as a lineman?
Was it last years pre-season that everytime he was on the field a fight would break out?
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Maybe thats why he’s so frustrated?
He’s a mental midget that just can’t seem to figure things out, so he tries to pound on them with brute strength and thats it?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 am
Good Morning Sam
I seen there were a few posters that wanted Grimes…I don’t…Finnegan, I don’t know…will he get the same treatment with the yellow falgs as did Routt? William Gay could be interesting…
=================== Gay could come cheap (pardon the pun), and Grimes was a fraud, one of those take-the-money-and-run bust free agents…and so was Dashon Goldson. A lot of people wanted him and he he’s surrendered the eighth-highest completion percentage. He allowed four touchdowns this year (tied for fifth among safeties) despite that amazing front seven of Smith and Smith, Brooks..) He was for sixth in penalties among safeties this year.
Believe it or not, Tyvon Branch was one of the highest rated safeties, and might have been even better with a dominant front seven, like the Niners. It was a good move franchising him, but its looking like “left overs” of free agents and draft picks….
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 am
My wife states I have an elephant package … and I haven’t played football in years!
weird, huh?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
Tonga is a good fb I think he is aggressive and is pretty young, I say we roll with him. Dmac going to be a beast this yr. I wish he had the toughness and desire to play,like Kobe does.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 am
Jason Snelling may figure in this, or Justin Forsett – both played in ZBS…..and are effective
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They aren’t fullbacks.
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uh, they dont have to be, they just have to be effective blockers. Snelling fills in at RB and FB, and would be VERY effective, as Justin Griffith was when Knapp signed him..which is why Griffith will be off. QC and will go through tape with Knapp. Forsett is effective as a ZBS blocker, and worked under Knapp before, and also adds value on coverage – either or both would be brilliant pick ups.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 am
Notice that that the snowball effect is taking place with these Franchise Tags!?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Along with William GAY we should go for the trifecta and get thse two guys to add to the team:
NFL | Fagg goes undrafted
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Florida State WR De’Cody FAGG did not get drafted after being invited to the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine in February.
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Name: Brad Smelley
College: Alabama Number: 17
Height: 6-2 Weight: 233
Position: FB Pos2: QB/TE/H-back
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2012
40 Time: 4.75 40 Low: 4.67 40 High: 4.86
Projected Round: 6-7 Stock:
Rated number 4 out of 73 FB’s 229 / 2822 TOTAL
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 am
Dmac going to be a beast this yr. I wish he had the toughness and desire to play,like Kobe does.
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DR55,
McFadden > Khloe Bryant
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 am
524.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 am
My wife states I have an elephant package … and I haven’t played football in years!
weird, huh?
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My wife purchased a “Posti-Vac’ for me.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 am
we should go for the trifecta
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LOL @ DJG
did we hire Sullivan as DC ???
maybe the 49ers should go for those dudes.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 am
Well, looks like Finneagn will get tagged as well…
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 am
May I ask…are they figuring Jason Campbells salary and Bush’s salary as against our cap right now?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 am
I bet you JC is getting nervous right about now.
I’m starting to think he may not be offered any starting job’s in the NFL.
I’m not hearing any buzz whatsoever as far as him being on anyone’s radar for a starter position.
Where would he go to start?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 am
are they figuring Jason Campbells salary and Bush’s salary as against our cap right now?
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I’m guessing not
We’re probably in bad enough shape with all the reported “out of whack” contracts
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
****Cut Reggie, Cut! Now get to the defense******
I am glad Reggie is straightening these contracts out now man. They are really ridiculous when you look at actual production. We may have a chance to make a charge this year but what about next year? He has to straighten contracts out now so the Raiders can move forward. he is keeping the existing talent and letting go the outlandish price tags associated with certain players who lack production.
Looking at how much we are already going to have to replace in our secondary on defense it makes sense to keep Branch out there. I still think he is over paid for production but he does seem to be respected in the league. Plus, just like we know Al over piad for many players, I am sure the agents know that as well and think they can make a killing when deal with the silver and black. I am sure Reggie will send a message out that we pay for what is comperable to the market now.
I like Bush but not for that price tag. There are too many good backs out there and Knapp has had too much success with taking no name RBs and giving them a name in this league.
Many of our coaches are linked to teams who used a RB by committee theme and were successful. Texans, Greenbay, Saints. I imagine they are going to do the same thing with DMAC and our RBs. DMAC will be the featured back, but bringing in fresh legs who will help him carry the load and stay healthy. I would not be surprised if the Vikings consider doing the same thing with Peterson after the punishment he took lat year. RBs in the NFL even the good ones don’t make it that long anymore. Even my great man crush of all time #34 had a shelf life. Wow, all of a sudden my friday just became a darker place. I miss you Bo..and I luv you man. LMAO!!! : (
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
I bet you JC is getting nervous right about now.
I’m starting to think he may not be offered any starting job’s in the NFL.
I’m not hearing any buzz whatsoever as far as him being on anyone’s radar for a starter position.
Where would he go to start?
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Cleveland, Seattle, Jacksonville?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 am
are they figuring Jason Campbells salary and Bush’s salary as against our cap right now?
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I’m guessing not
We’re probably in bad enough shape with all the reported “out of whack” contracts
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You got it! Reggie has to do what he has to do!
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Good morning all.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Campbell will not be handed a starting gig.
Disagree with Cork in that he will get “a ton of cash and an opportunity to start” somewhere else.
Don’t see it, but it only takes one team
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
I bet you JC is getting nervous right about now.
I’m starting to think he may not be offered any starting job’s in the NFL.
I’m not hearing any buzz whatsoever as far as him being on anyone’s radar for a starter position.
Where would he go to start?
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Cleveland, Seattle, Jacksonville?
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RR before it happens man, who called it?
I said if he gets no buzz to be a sttarter he may end up back here as our #2. he will push Palmer but he will not win.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 am
DJG… let me get this right..
you want a smelley gay fagg trifecta
loo lol lol lol !!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 am
uh, they dont have to be, they just have to be effective blockers. Snelling fills in at RB and FB, and would be VERY effective, as Justin Griffith was when Knapp signed him..which is why Griffith will be off. QC and will go through tape with Knapp. Forsett is effective as a ZBS blocker, and worked under Knapp before, and also adds value on coverage – either or both would be brilliant pick ups.
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I am not saying either rusher wouldn’t work for us or anything. I was merely pointing out that you quoted a post discussing the FULLBACKS responsibilities in the ZBS and responded by recommending running backs.
It didn’t fit. Which is why I thought I would point out that neither is a fullback… maybe you thouhgt they were.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 am
I said if he gets no buzz to be a sttarter he may end up back here as our #2. he will push Palmer but he will not win.
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JC will take less to go somewhere else. No reason for him to stay here. I am sure, while he has always said the right thing in public, that he is still upset about the Palmer trade.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 am
What ’bout Indy coming in for JC?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 am
we should go for the trifecta
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Quite the secondary… Huff Smelley Gay Faggs Underwood Branch
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 am
545.neilb Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 am
What ’bout Indy coming in for JC?
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Sure, to back up Andrew Luck. If they are going to pay a vet to start a year to teach Luck, I think they already have a pretty good option there.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 am
What’s up Neil? Long time, bro!
Will Indy want JC? I guess unless Peyton leaves and they don’t have faith in Luck (how ironic)
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
JC may want to stay becauseof al saunders, he has a long history with him.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Soup will not be offered an opportunity to come back, per Corky’s live chat.
I think he got that from their sit down with the Reggie.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
You gotta type faster Hwnrdr LOL
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 am
we should go for the trifecta
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Quite the secondary… Huff Smelley Gay Faggs Underwood Branch
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if they stop 99 yard drives….go for it, never mind the homophobe smack
at the end of the day – its results that count
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 am
551.bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
You gotta type faster Hwnrdr LOL
I know right?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 am
uh, they dont have to be, they just have to be effective blockers. Snelling fills in at RB and FB, and would be VERY effective, as Justin Griffith was when Knapp signed him..which is why Griffith will be off. QC and will go through tape with Knapp. Forsett is effective as a ZBS blocker, and worked under Knapp before, and also adds value on coverage – either or both would be brilliant pick ups.
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I am not saying either rusher wouldn’t work for us or anything. I was merely pointing out that you quoted a post discussing the FULLBACKS responsibilities in the ZBS and responded by recommending running backs.
It didn’t fit. Which is why I thought I would point out that neither is a fullback… maybe you thouhgt they were.
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but Snelling plays full back as well as running back, but I get your point.
would Tonga be a cheaper alternative?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
542.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 am
DJG… let me get this right..
you want a smelley gay fagg trifecta
loo lol lol lol !!!!
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Ha. Poor guys. They’d have almost no chance at getting many jersey sales.
William Gay has to have the lowest in the league.
Could u imagine wearing that to a sports bar?
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
I forgot who posted on here but soon we’re gonna have a lot of no names on our roster and we will be like “WHO?”
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Morning Hwnrdr!!
Yeah,work and a few other things getting in the way of whats important!
I don’t see JC staying.I don’t know about Indy – it just seemed the better fit.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 am
I hear ya, Neil!
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 am
I said if he gets no buzz to be a sttarter he may end up back here as our #2. he will push Palmer but he will not win.
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JC will take less to go somewhere else. No reason for him to stay here. I am sure, while he has always said the right thing in public, that he is still upset about the Palmer trade.
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I’ll say he was upset.
I still cant believe dude called off the wedding to Jenny Montez (what a hottie)…like at the last minute
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/jason-campbell-and-fiancee-jenny-montes-call-off-wedding–just-hours-before-ceremony/2012/02/21/gIQAeGVXRR_blog.html
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 am
Not sure why we seem so concerned with whether we trade McFadden or not, should we franchise or let Bush walk, do we draft another RB, blah blah blah.
Folks, the Super Bowl champion team were DEAD-LAST in the NFL in rushing, and averaged a measly 3.5 ypc FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING YEAR, which was like the 4th worst YPC over the last 10 years.
Only thing we need to worry about, is how we are going to protect our QB, develop our WR’s, and stop the opposing QB and WR’s.
Having a great ground game in today’s NFL is like being a good zone defensive team in the NBA. It’s nice if your good at it, and can really beat some teams on some nights, but on the whole, if your going to be good in the NBA, you got to play man D, and in the NFL, you got to sling the rock.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
You mean Soup was indecisive at a crucial moment?
Who would have guessed???
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 am
OL:
LT: Veldheer
LG: Barksdale
C: Wiz
RG: CC
RT: Campbell
Add 3 FAs/ rookies to compete at RG, RT, and be a backup C.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 am
561.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
You mean Soup was indecisive at a crucial moment?
Who would have guessed???
OUCH!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
RG: CC
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Playoffs!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
I forgot who posted on here but soon we’re gonna have a lot of no names on our roster and we will be like “WHO?”
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“the dont be surprised if they are signed” list
could look like this
Perrish Cox – if he is acquitted – could be a dude wrongly blamed, and if we took Underwood, why wouldn’t we take this dude?
Tracy Porter, CB
Erik Walden, OLB
Justin Forsett, RB (knows scheme, essentially replaces R.Cartwright as a gunner)
Antonio Garay , NT (will hit the open market)
Gary Gibson, DT – cheap depth
Gary Guyton, OLB – could play ILB in 3-4 or Will in 4-3, and is best in coverage.
Chris Horton, S, – out of football in 2011, could he make comeback?
UDFAs to look out for
Olivier Vernon, OLB, Miami
Josh Pleasant, CB, Kent St.
Al Netter, OG,
David Pickard, OT, S.Illinois
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
So with placing the franchise tag on Branch which is about 6 Million…does that make us now 31 million over?
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
No Heyer?
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
You mean Soup was indecisive at a crucial moment?
Who would have guessed???
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LMAO! I wonder if he threw the ring out of bounds… or just held onto as Montez sacked him in anger…
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 am
I like wiz at guard. He’ll be a probowler there, and it gives us a great backup center.. Its hard to find 2.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 am
Not sure why we seem so concerned with whether we trade McFadden or not, should we franchise or let Bush walk, do we draft another RB, blah blah blah.
Folks, the Super Bowl champion team were DEAD-LAST in the NFL in rushing, and averaged a measly 3.5 ypc FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING YEAR, which was like the 4th worst YPC over the last 10 years.
Only thing we need to worry about, is how we are going to protect our QB, develop our WR’s, and stop the opposing QB and WR’s.
Having a great ground game in today’s NFL is like being a good zone defensive team in the NBA. It’s nice if your good at it, and can really beat some teams on some nights, but on the whole, if your going to be good in the NBA, you got to play man D, and in the NFL, you got to sling the rock.
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strange thing is….trends come and go…its offensive a few years…then it goes back to defense…., when its defense…enter the running game.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
I don’t care if we’ve got a team full of un-drafted “Who’s” as long as they’re footballers.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
568. Ha!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
Folks, the Super Bowl champion team were DEAD-LAST in the NFL in rushing, and averaged a measly 3.5 ypc FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING YEAR, which was like the 4th worst YPC over the last 10 years.
$$$$$$$$
You have to keep in mind that not all 32 teams are built the same way. Some teams are built to be pass happy (have Elite QBs), but that’s a luxury most trams don’t have. Some teams like Bal and the Whiners are built to run the ball & play good defense. Some teams are more balanced on offense.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
Perrish Cox is a gangster, when they did a feature on OTL about gangs in sports, Cox was one of the topics (I think he is a Folk or something like that).
No thanks, him and McClain might spark an Agent 0 – Critchfield stand off in the locker room.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 am
Neilb Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
I don’t care if we’ve got a team full of un-drafted “Who’s” as long as they’re footballers.
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not soccer players…ballers, period. LOL
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 am
I still want to sign Leron McClain. He wont be massively expensive, he is a viscious blocker, he is probably the best rushing fullback in the NFL, and he is RoMacs cousin- maybe he can be a positive influence on Ro.
Leron McClain led the Ravens in rushing in 2008, so that dispels the myth that people say he cant carry the load as a lead back.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 am
Neilb Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
No Heyer?
$$$$$$$$$!
I like Heyer too. He can be one of the FAs that competes for RG/ RT.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 am
JC will take less to go somewhere else. No reason for him to stay here. I am sure, while he has always said the right thing in public, that he is still upset about the Palmer trade
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bcz,
Campbell was injured. Hue Jackson lost his starting QB for the year
our options were Kyle Boller and a rookie Terrelle Pryor fresh off of suspension with NO snaps played at QB
Even still, Jackson kept JC off injured reserve until the last possible moment.
If Campbell is pissed at anyone, it has to be Hue Jackson – who is no longer with the team. I don’t think he’s even mad at Hue. Hue wanted to win and he knew he couldn’t do it with Boller. Can you blame him?
Jason Campbell has no reason to be bitter with Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie or Dennis Allen. He has no history with any of them!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 am
My point is, we will be a decent running team next year, and our running game (or lack thereof) will not cost us any playoff positioning next season.
If our QB gets hurt, gets sacked a ton and fumbles, or we can’t cover anyone or rush the passer, we can rush for 200 yards a game and we still might be 6-10.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
Perrish Cox is a gangster, when they did a feature on OTL about gangs in sports, Cox was one of the topics (I think he is a Folk or something like that).
No thanks, him and McClain might spark an Agent 0 – Critchfield stand off in the locker room.
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Wont have a choice. Not enough depth, weak cover guys, and Cox would come for next to nothing…he f’s up, then cut him…the Redskins worked him out, too…believe me, he will get interest…. many times, its about turning a player around, and that redemption adds even more character to a team then “good guys” do….players play for that next contract or second chance can still turn it around.
but maybe Raiders pass…
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 am
I don’t think L McClain is a good blocker. I think Reece is better, but McClain can run.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 am
575.RaiderSam Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 am
Neilb Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
I don’t care if we’ve got a team full of un-drafted “Who’s” as long as they’re footballers.
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not soccer players…ballers, period. LOL
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Didn’t know what the collective term was!Wasn’t sure if ballers made it sound like porn!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 am
Leron McClain led the Ravens in rushing in 2008
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Did he really?
Wow, never would have guessed that. Good find
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 am
I still want to sign Leron McClain. He wont be massively expensive, he is a viscious blocker, he is probably the best rushing fullback in the NFL, and he is RoMacs cousin- maybe he can be a positive influence on Ro.
Leron McClain led the Ravens in rushing in 2008, so that dispels the myth that people say he cant carry the load as a lead back.
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I know i saw him run all over Dallas. The Ravens closed out Texas Stadium in style in that game…McClain was a beast…
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 am
Having a great ground game in today’s NFL is like being a good zone defensive team in the NBA. It’s nice if your good at it, and can really beat some teams on some nights, but on the whole, if your going to be good in the NBA, you got to play man D, and in the NFL, you got to sling the rock.
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Yeah but if you can add the elite running game to an above average passing attack you can create balance which will make both sides of the spectrum better!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 am
So with placing the franchise tag on Branch which is about 6 Million…does that make us now 31 million over?
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@ Hwnrdr
or $17 million, depending on which report you buy into
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
The Giants were dead last in rushing in the regular season, they also finished 9-7. Their rushing attack really came alive in the post season (not so much in the SB) which helped them succeed too.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
Wont have a choice
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I get your point, and he may be worth a look, but we absolutely DO have a choice whether we want to bring in this dude to our locker room.
He is pretty creepy, when you see his history going back to college and even HS, the gang tattoo’s he has on his arms and all that.
Al would have signed him, not sure if Reggie will.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 am
My viewpoint of today’s “balanced” offense:
A good mix of short, intermediate and deep passes.
Screens and draws to keep the pass rushers thinking a little.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 am
Hmmmm…Titans is allowing Finnegan to test the waters…
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 am
Leron McClains career long run is also 12 yards longer than McFaddens… 82 yards.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 am
McFadden does provide a different element running the ball, with his home run ability.
But the days of running 35 times for 145 yards and thinking that is great and a recipe for consistant winning, have passed.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 am
Leron McClains career long run is also 12 yards longer than McFaddens… 82 yards.
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That was against Dallas, and was when after he broke the LOS, PrimeTime was announcing and just started the “Ohhh my God, you GOT to be kiiiiiiiding me!!!” while he was still running down the field, lol.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
Look at what Foster did for the Texans when their QBs went down. He carried the team (with good defense), and they almost won against the Ravens. They had their rookie 3rd string QB starting against the Ravens, and they almost won that game.
There is more than one way to get to your final destination.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 am
Alex Smith completed like 7 passes to wide receivers last year, and played the giants tough to the end in the NFC Championship. If not for 2 costly spec teams mistakes the 9ers would have been in the bowl
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
Anyone else excited about Reece working with Knapp. I thought Reece should have been used more in the passing game last season. Griffith did well with Knapp as OC, and I think Reece is more talented.
I still think we should use Reece the same way the Pats use Hernandez.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
If the 49ers could have converted a few first downs with an able QB, they would have won by double-digits, even with the ST turnovers.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 am
Off for some dinner.
Have a great weekend everyone.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 am
That Houston ZBS O-line, was pushing the Ravens around in Baltimore, that’s for sure.
I am not AGAINST, having the ability to run the ball down the throats of teams, especially inferior teams, and ones that have began to quit.
But it can’t be your bread and butter, IMO, and your plan on winning in the postseason.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 am
I don’t like to follow trends. I like to create my own.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 am
I miss Al!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 am
I do agree that you can’t be one dimensional and expect to win in the POs. you need to be able to run and pass.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 am
I think if you can just pass, you can get by.
If you can just run, you won’t go far.
Steelers couldn’t run the ball on their recent run, at least consistantly,and the Cardinals damn near won a Super Bowl rushing for 70 yards a game in the playoffs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 am
Btw,
The Giants rushed 112 times in the POs. that’s an avg of 28 attempts/ game, 466 total yards, and they had a 4.2 avg YPC.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 am
@ JFB
Teams can’t stack the box against McFadden, Reece & Jones.
not with Palmer at QB and receiving options like DHB, Moore, Ford, Murphy, Boss & Ausberry!
the Raiders will be the #1 Rushing team in 2012
don’t you remember the Greg Knapp teams of 2007 & 2008?
We were Top 10 in rushing both seasons with guys like McCown, Culpepper, Walter & Russell at QB!
your boy Cooper Carlisle was a mauler.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 am
Like I said. You can’t be one dimensional and expect to win in the POs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 am
28 carries for 115 yards is about average, and absolutely all you need to win.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
your boy Cooper Carlisle was a mauler.
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“Was”??????
Savage is going to feast on AFC West D-lines again this year
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 am
It is much easier to have a good running game with a decent passing attack than it is to find a star QB and try to win just throwing the ball.
The Raiders can have a great running attack supplemented by a QB that can get the job done and occasionally carry the load. That should be enough if the defense can get their vags sealed up and start playing like men.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 am
Not sure why we seem so concerned with whether we trade McFadden or not, should we franchise or let Bush walk, do we draft another RB, blah blah blah.
Folks, the Super Bowl champion team were DEAD-LAST in the NFL in rushing, and averaged a measly 3.5 ypc FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING YEAR, which was like the 4th worst YPC over the last 10 years.
Only thing we need to worry about, is how we are going to protect our QB, develop our WR’s, and stop the opposing QB and WR’s.
Having a great ground game in today’s NFL is like being a good zone defensive team in the NBA. It’s nice if your good at it, and can really beat some teams on some nights, but on the whole, if your going to be good in the NBA, you got to play man D, and in the NFL, you got to sling the rock.
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Vegas is one of our better semi pros here, but way off on this one, cuz.
1. The Giants are a different team, different scheme, different philosophy with a QB in the same system for many years and very familiar with his receivers.
2. They don’t have a Darren McFadden. Lot of talk about dime a dozen RBs here lately, but DMC has the potential to be one of the best in the business, if not the best, but has to stay healthy, obviously.
3. The ZBS should have a solid running game to build off of. We’re still a running team and Allen already said as much. Other teams like GB implement the ZBS in their run game but don’t do a whole lot of running, but again, see #1 in terms of familiarity with the system and receivers. I’m thinking the model would be more like the Texans… a lot more.
In conclusion, I think we’ll run even more this year and do so more consistently and we’ll need good backs to pull it off. You already have a marquee guy in DMC and he’s not – nor should he – be traded. Now, as far as backups? Sure, go ahead and get some value, dime a dozen type guys (already have on in Jones). If one of them steps up, you’ve got a two headed monster or have made DMC irrelevant and then can be traded down the road (or just unsigned the following year).
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 am
Savage is going to feast on AFC West D-lines again this year
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his job got much easier when Chris Morris basically ended NT Jamal Williams’ career
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 am
605 and 609.
Good posts.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 am
I like CC, but he is 35. It’s time to find a new RG. I think CC will retire after this season.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 am
597.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
If the 49ers could have converted a few first downs with an able QB, they would have won by double-digits, even with the ST turnovers.
Thank you…no offense to anyone but Alex Smith had to have as much blame tothem losing then Kyle Williams!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 am
When the crap hits the fan, we will have multiple situations where we need a score with a 1 minute and a half left in the game.
We need our QB, to be elite in those situations, and score.
Remember, the NY Giants were the highest scoring 4th quarter team in the NFL. You play to a draw, get the ball last, and let your QB do his thing.
That’s what the NFL is all about these days, at the highest level. Meanwhile the Jaguars and Dolphins will blast each other for 180 yards rushing in a meaningless game that nobody watches or cares about.
2012 = Code Toss the Fkn rock around like some real men!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 am
O-Line 2012:
LT Veldheer
LG Heyer, played when Wiz 2.0 went to Center
C-Wiz 2.0
RG-Hurd beats out CC
RT Barksdale beats out BC
D-Line 2012:
RE Seymour
NT Travis Ivey (until a NT is aquired in FA)
LE Huston
LB Corps 2012: We don’t have one starter on our team. BigMac has his work cut out…
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:49 am
Code Black With Sirens & Flashing lights!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 am
I am glad Reggie is straightening these contracts out now man. They are really ridiculous when you look at actual production. We may have a chance to make a charge this year but what about next year? He has to straighten contracts out now so the Raiders can move forward. he is keeping the existing talent and letting go the outlandish price tags associated with certain players who lack production.
Looking at how much we are already going to have to replace in our secondary on defense it makes sense to keep Branch out there. I still think he is over paid for production but he does seem to be respected in the league. Plus, just like we know Al over piad for many players, I am sure the agents know that as well and think they can make a killing when deal with the silver and black. I am sure Reggie will send a message out that we pay for what is comperable to the market now.
I like Bush but not for that price tag. There are too many good backs out there and Knapp has had too much success with taking no name RBs and giving them a name in this league.
Many of our coaches are linked to teams who used a RB by committee theme and were successful. Texans, Greenbay, Saints. I imagine they are going to do the same thing with DMAC and our RBs. DMAC will be the featured back, but bringing in fresh legs who will help him carry the load and stay healthy. I would not be surprised if the Vikings consider doing the same thing with Peterson after the punishment he took lat year. RBs in the NFL even the good ones don’t make it that long anymore. Even my great man crush of all time #34 had a shelf life. Wow, all of a sudden my friday just became a darker place. I miss you Bo..and I luv you man. LMAO!!! : (
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 am
Code Black With Sirens & Flashing lights!!
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Sounds like Cashmere is about to hit stage 2
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 am
Bryant will start at the DL.
Print that!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 am
We saw what Routt’s value was on the open-market.
Basically, Al just about doubled his salary than what he could get on the open market.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 am
LMAO
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 am
Bryant will start at the DL.
Print that!
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Agreed.
After Sho-Nasty got hurt, there were times when I thought he was our best D-lineman.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
If Wallace ends up in SF that could be real scary!!!
Wow….The visual…Wow!!!
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/01/steelers-to-use-first-round-tender-on-wallace/?module=HP11_headline_stack
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 am
I can’t wait to get Sho-nasty back!!! He was about to go HAM!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 am
I think our base will be a 4-3. I think we will cut Wimbley, restructure with curry, and nice him to SLB (2 down LB).
LDE: Bryant
DT: Houston
DT: Seymour
RDE: Matt S
SLB: Curry
MLB: McClain
WLB: Goethel/ FA/ Rookie
CB: Chekwa/ DVD/ Underwood
CB: FA
SS: Branch, MM
FS: Huff, Gio
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 am
We saw what Routt’s value was on the open-market.
Basically, Al just about doubled his salary than what he could get on the open market.
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Mad love for Al, but he was a mad man when it came to contracts.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am
If Wallace ends up in SF that could be real scary!!!
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why?
who is gonna throw him the football?
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
We cut TK, Henderson, Wimbley, and keep Huff IMO.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
After Sho-Nasty got hurt, there were times when I thought he was our best D-lineman.
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He was. He started 10 games, had 35 tackles, 5 sacks, and 1FF. He had 1 sack in 3 different games (SD, Mia, GB), and 2 sacks against Min.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 am
And I don’t remember him being a pin-head and jumping offsides all the time.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 am
and nice him to SLB (2 down LB).
Move* him…….
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
I’ve only been saying this for about 5 years now….we will not stop the run as long as we keep putting two 3tech DTs in there who just want to kill the QB. Makes it much to easy for the o-line to handle them without much help and opens up guards to get to our LBers.
Biggest part of the problem with our run D imo.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am
Thank god he is a RFA. Reece too. We can’t afford to lose these guys.
I’m also very happy about Branch.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
I don’t blame Al really for the last few years of crazy spending. I mean, he was trying to get a ring before he died. Can’t say I blame him for that.
But we got to call it as it is, he mortgaged the future for the present, and it didn’t work out for us.
So now we take our medicine for a year or two, to get things back in line.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
Dakota,
I agree. Let’s get one.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
A NT.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 am
I think we will draft a DE, NT, OLB, and CB. I know we have our 5th & 6th round picks, and I think we should get 2 more compensatory picks.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Code Black with flashing lights and sirens! Indeed!
Oh yes Indeed!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
We have a lot of young talent on offense, so it will not be a priority to draft offensive players. CC is the only vet OL. Our WRs, TEs, and RBs are young, we drafted a QB last year, so I think the players we add will be FAs or undrafted RFAs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
LOL
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Code Black with flashing lights and sirens! Indeed!
Oh yes Indeed!
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I really think we should do that. Maybe before we introduce the players.
Imagine the O co, fans excited about the team, they are waiting for the players…
Lights off
Sirens
Flasing Lights
CODE BLACK!!!!
Players introduced ….
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am
If Wallace ends up in SF that could be real scary!!!
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why?
who is gonna throw him the football?
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Manning
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
Nothing wrong with adding a good show, and making fans happy & excited before the game.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
Dude….if they Wallace and Manning? SMH…talk about buying a Super Bowl!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
We cut TK, Henderson, Wimbley, and keep Huff IMO.
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O,
what about CJ37, Eugene, Mitchell, DVD & Chekwa?
these guys in the secondary are under contract.
I assume FA’s Sheppard & Boyd wont be retained.
Matt Giordano is a stud and he’ll be cheap to re-sign imo
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
get
^
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
Thanx to the person that posted the ZBS primer… this bit of info caught my eye:
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Toss action out of this is extremely tough on the back because his focus is on catching the toss instead of looking at his “read key.”
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This may be the reason McFadden struggled with the ZBS and why Knapp should not rely totally on it. McFadden is one of the best in the league at toss-action.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
Gdog Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
Thanx to the person that posted the ZBS primer… this bit of info caught my eye:
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You’re welcome
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
I think the schytty coach, QB and LT, and only getting 7 carries a game had more to do with McFadden’s “struggles” in the zone blocking system.
We shall see.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
what about CJ37, Eugene, Mitchell, DVD & Chekwa?
these guys in the secondary are under contract.
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Eugene will be cut.
MM is under contract. Low salary too.
Eugene will be cut. Injury salary are an issue.
DVD & Chekwa will get a chance to play/ compete.
I think we will restructure with CJ.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
I think Eugene will stick… of course at a drastically reduced salary (vet minimum). He is actually a heck of a spec teamer
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
I think McFadden got thicker and gained the ability to break tackles, and that’s what lead to his increased productivity.
He went from a guy who NEVER broke a tackle, to a guy who RARELY got brought down by the first guy.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
The sad state of the 2011 Oakland Raiders defense:
Hiram Eugene would have been a massive upgrade at FS and in the secondary, over Gio, MM34 and Boyd.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
RR,
I agree about Gio.
Our secondary:
CB: Chekwa/ DVD
CB: CJ (if he stays)/ underwood
SS: Branch, MM
FS: Huff, Gio (I think he will resign)
I think we need to add a vet CB in FA.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
If we cut Huff due to his salary, we can move Branch to FS, and try to sign FA SS L Landry.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
RR,
I agree about Gio.
Our secondary:
CB: Chekwa/ DVD
CB: CJ (if he stays)/ underwood
SS: Branch, MM
FS: Huff, Gio (I think he will resign)
I think we need to add a vet CB in FA.
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O Dog,
Unless we’re going to provide some serious pressure on opponents QB’s all season, we seriously need a #1 CB. IMO, Stan Routt was a solid #2, but we’re still missing that #1.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Friday! Hope you all have a great day and better week end!
RAIDERS!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Dakota Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
I think the schytty coach, QB and LT, and only getting 7 carries a game had more to do with McFadden’s “struggles” in the zone blocking system.
We shall see.
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Didn’t he absolutely crush KC’s D in his 2nd career game? In the ZBS? With all the same people?
I think McFadden’s struggles started out due to injury and then he ended up behind the curve. Everything else became a secondary contributor to his struggles.
DMC’s biggest enemy is his own body.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
JFB,
Eugene > Giordano?
you’re tripppin!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Gio is solid.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
Unless we’re going to provide some serious pressure on opponents QB’s all season, we seriously need a #1 CB. IMO
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DMAC,
all we’re missing in the secondary is a #1 CB, #2 CB, nickel corner and FS (if Huff gets chopped in a contract purge by Reggie)
I’m not a believer in DVD or Chekwa (yet)
still young & unproven
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think McFadden got thicker and gained the ability to break tackles, and that’s what lead to his increased productivity.
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Someone also worked hard on his mechanics (Skipper?) He ran much too upright his first two years, rarely used a stiff arm, and tried to outrun everyone instead of attacking the tackler. He also seemed more indecisive. These are things he could get away with in college.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
I like Gio, he made some plays, but he was brutal in space at times, and I think Eugene was pretty rangy.
We needed ranginess last year, more than anything. Guys would go flying by our safeties, and it looked like we were stuck in quicksand.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
I like Gio, he made some plays, but he was brutal in space at times, and I think Eugene was pretty rangy.
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JFB,
the best part about Hiram Eugene landing on I.R. is that we didn’t have to see him face Willis McGahee twice last season
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
Guys would go flying by our safeties, and it looked like we were stuck in quicksand.
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hey JFB,
those starting safeties are gonna cost us $14 million this season!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
O Dog,
Unless we’re going to provide some serious pressure on opponents QB’s all season, we seriously need a #1 CB. IMO, Stan Routt was a solid #2, but we’re still missing that #1.
$$$$$$$$$$$
I agree my friend. We need to add a vet CB in FA.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
I know Megatron is super fast, but when he went running by Boyd and MM34, it looked like they were running as fast as they could, and he was going at about 65%.
And he was creating huge seperation still.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
hey JFB,
those starting safeties are gonna cost us $14 million this season!
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Well, Huff was banged up the whole year and I think the biggest damage was done against guys like Boyd.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
We need to add a vet CB in FA
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if CJ37 stays and starts, yes.
if he gets whacked or decides to call it quits, as expected, we’ll need 3 CB’s !
Brandon Underwood is camp fodder imo
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
I think the biggest damage was done against guys like Boyd.
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Boyd was active for 14 games last year, starting 1
0 INT’s. 0 FF’s. 25 tackles. 3 passes defensed
guys like him make Branch look like he’s worth the money!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/3/2/2838780/oakland-raiders-salary-cap-sensible-cuts-and-restructures
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
The ZBS has made a lot of avg RBs look really good in Denver over the yrs with Shanahan. I have no problem letting Bush go. We need to save that cap space for the D side.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
those starting safeties are gonna cost us $14 million this season!
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Fantastic!!!!
I loved Huff in the 2011 offseason, not so much for the 2012 version.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
Mike Mitchell was active for 13 games, starting 4
1 sack. 1 Int. 6 passes defensed. 0 FF’s
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
Sign that #1 CB and let CJ, DVD, Underwood, and Check fight for that #2 spot.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am
Mike Mitchell was active for 13 games, starting 4
1 sack. 1 Int. 6 passes defensed. 0 FF’s
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You forget 36 missed tackles, 43 plays overran, and 1 stuid night of tweeting bragging about shutting down a TE in a 40 point blowout loss.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
MM34 is better than Boyd. But that’s like comparing Walmart vs Kmart. I hope MM34 can somehow flourish in our new system.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am
The only reason clowns like Boyd and Gio were on the field so much, was “Missile” Mike’s inability to seize the starting job that was earmarked for him since his draft day.
Kimbo Mitchell was a horrendous draft pick.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am
Mike Mitchell was active for 13 games, starting 4
1 sack. 1 Int. 6 passes defensed. 0 FF’s
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You forget 36 missed tackles, 43 plays overran, and 1 stuid night of tweeting bragging about shutting down a TE in a 40 point blowout loss.
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MM had a horrible season. (nice play on Rogers, though)
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
Matt Giordano was active for 15 games, starting 9
70 tackles, 5 INT’s, 1 sack, 1 FF, 5 passes defensed
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Gio is a fk’n second string, insurance policy stud!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
JFB,
Giordano = clown?
Maybe when he played for the Packers & Saints!
#27 = playmaker
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Michael Huff was active for 12 games, starting 11
38 tackles, 4 passes defensed, 2 INT’s. 0 sacks. 0 FF’s
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
If we cut Huff due to his salary, we can move Branch to FS, and try to sign FA SS L Landry.
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O Dog,
Have you seen the latest photo of Landry?
Dude looks like he’s seriously off the juice. (looks like the incredible hulk)
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/02/24/238407-laron-landry.jpg
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Time to shake some things up Dubs!
Trade Steph to the Celts for Rondo.
Send Monta packing to Orlando for Dwight.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
What makes you guys think that we SHOULD change our Offensive-Line scheme at all?
McFadden was averaging OVER 5 Yards Per Carry when he was in the games. We allowed very few sacks last year. Except for RT, everyone seemed to play pretty damned solid. I think Wiz + Mr. Mushroom Society did pretty well.
You think now with a ZBS we’ll get more than the 5+ ypc we were getting (which I think was top 1 or 2 in the league by the way with the number of carries)
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Hell No to Rondo!!!
He has been covered up by Allen and Pierece, making him look like a capable PG/floor-general, which he is not.
Great defender when motivated, but it has been tough to keep him motivated for a championship caliber team, how motivated will he be for the Dubs??
He is going to be a disaster at his next stop.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
2010 we were almost a pure ZBS team, and Darren never looked better.
WE still ran a ton of ZBS last year as well.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
Tyvon Branch was active for 16 games, starting 16
109 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT, 0 FF, 4 passes defensed
*** Gibril Wilson clone ***
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Hell No to Rondo!!!
He has been covered up by Allen and Pierece, making him look like a capable PG/floor-general, which he is not.
Great defender when motivated, but it has been tough to keep him motivated for a championship caliber team, how motivated will he be for the Dubs??
He is going to be a disaster at his next stop.
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Wrong.
Love Steph, but can we say this dude is our version of DMAC in the NBA. Dude twists his ankles jogging down the court. Love his offensive game, but is waaaaay inconsistent.
+ Can’t guard anyone!
Rondo will bring that D and distribute the ball.
We don’t need his scoring. We have plenty of guys to take care of that.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
2010 we were almost a pure ZBS team, and Darren never looked better.
WE still ran a ton of ZBS last year as well.
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You sure about that?
The OC, O-Line coaches etc. weren’t from that school of thought…
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
JFB,
Giordano = clown?
Maybe when he played for the Packers & Saints!
#27 = playmaker
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Yeah Giordano was a bright spot in the secondary.
Hue got it right to give him a chance. He go tit dead wrong with Sterling Moore. You don’t let reall ball players go!!! He is only going to get better.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
BCZ,
did you see this link that YA posted?
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/3/2/2838780/oakland-raiders-salary-cap-sensible-cuts-and-restructures
it doesn’t flow with your #’s
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
*** Gibril Wilson clone ***
Like when he was good with the Giants or when he sucked with us?
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
Tyvon Branch was active for 16 games, starting 16
109 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT, 0 FF, 4 passes defensed
*** Gibril Wilson clone ***
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Hell to the No!
Slap yourself RR!
Allen will turn Branch into a pro bowler!
Heard it here 1st!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
The OC, O-Line coaches etc. weren’t from that school of thought…
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Tom Cable??
We are going back to ZBS next year, with one of the same O-line coaches (Wiz 1.0) in 2011.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
So here’s my cap solution:
The easiest way to cut down the salary cap would be to sign Richard Seymour to an extension. He is in the last year of his contract and is very open to an extension. Let’s say it is a three year deal with a $9 million signing bonus. If Seymour’s 2012 total is the same, the restructure would save the team $6 million off the cap this season.
Michael Huff is another easy restructure. He is due a $4 million roster bonus on March 16. If the Raiders simply turn that roster bonus into a signing bonus, it would take $2.67 million off the cap this year.
Cut John Henderson, Chris Johnson, and Hiram Eugene which would save nearly $10 million.
Extend Aaron Curry and restructure Cooper Carlisle to bring down their total cap hit this season from around $9 million to around $5 million– a savings of $4 million. This could be done easily for both players with neither taking a pay cut.
That is $22.62 million in salary cut before even delving into several other contract restructures, including Wimbley’s cap number coming down, which would free up money for free agent spending among other things
by Levi Damien
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thoughts?
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
Allen will turn Branch into a pro bowler!
Heard it here 1st!
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Agree.
Expecting bug things from secondary in 2012.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
sigh….. big things.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
DMAC,
Not saying Steph doesn’t have his issues, just saying whoever trades for Rondo is not getting the player they think they are.
He can’t shoot, takes plays/games off, turns it over a ton (led the NBA last year), and can’t make free throws.
He really isn’t that good, IMO.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
Plus, I think that teams are now better equipped to go against the ZBS. The smaller, quicker D-Linemen negate it more. When it was the successful thing in Denver, Atlanta etc.
Not saying it can’t be successful. But, it’s like the changing of the times. It’s not the mack daddy plug and play scheme any more.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
BCZ,
did you see this link that YA posted?
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/3/2/2838780/oakland-raiders-salary-cap-sensible-cuts-and-restructures
it doesn’t flow with your #’s
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Wow, here is our next GM.LOL!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
Tyvon Branch 2009-2011 equals Gibril Wilson 2006-2008
print it
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Zone blocking system blah blah!!
If McFadden cant get huge chunks of yardage behind the ZBS then he has no business being an NFL player.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Cut John Henderson, Chris Johnson, and Hiram Eugene which would save nearly $10 million.
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LMAO at cutting 3 guys who might be lucky to find another NFL roster-spot, and that saves you $10 freaking million dollars!!!
I guess $10 million smackers just doesn’t get what it used to.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
The ZBS can make an average RB look great it should help a great RB like McFadden look unstoppable.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
705. Tyvon Branch 2012 = Pro Bowl
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
I guess $10 million smackers just doesn’t get what it used to
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@JFB
Al Davis probably spent $10 million clams in Seafood dinners for JaMarcus
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
708. Hope so. Didn’t look great the first time Knapp and DMC ran it.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
I’m sure there will be a slight transition period for Darren, since his tootsies probably won’t let him get a little bit of a lather going in the preseason, but I expect (IF HEALTHY) him to be every bit as good as he was in 2011, in 2013.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Al Davis probably spent $10 million clams in Seafood dinners for JaMarcus
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Jamarcus sold Al when he ordered the fish dinner before the draft.
Little did Al know, when he wasn’t looking, Russell scooped up all the butter at the table and actually had butter for dinner, with a side of fish.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
Tyvon Branch 2009-2011 equals Gibril Wilson 2006-2008
compare the players and their skill sets. look at the stats & production. you can’t disprove this
only difference is Wilson played for a franchise that was disciplined, not dysfunctional – and won a Super Bowl in his 4th year
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
DMAC,
Not saying Steph doesn’t have his issues, just saying whoever trades for Rondo is not getting the player they think they are.
He can’t shoot, takes plays/games off, turns it over a ton (led the NBA last year), and can’t make free throws.
He really isn’t that good, IMO.
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I don’t feel like looking up the #’s, but there are super star players leading the league in turn overs.
Sometimes a change on scenery is all that is needed.
That way I see it right now.
Rondo > Curry
Curry might have a brighter future, but its never guaranteed success. (those injuries are scary 2)
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Jamarcus sold Al when he ordered the fish dinner before the draft.
Little did Al know, JaWalrus hit In&Out Burger on the way to the airport!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
You cant compare what happened when Knapp was here in 2008 to this years team.
Jared Veldheer
Wiz
Palmer to audible out of bad situations instead of Russell sipping syrup.
Speed at WR guys like Ford and Moore instead of Javon Walker.
Better blocking TE’s on the roster now
Too many things have changed for the better this will not be like 2008.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Tyvon Branch has a chance to contribute to our defense and win a Super Bowl in his 5th NFL season with a disciplined franchise … but I still don’t think he’s gonna give us anything more than Gibril did in ‘08 (his 5th year in the league)
same player.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Projected starting 5
PG – Rondo
SG – Thompson
SF – Wright
PF – Lee
C – Howard
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
chuck bresnahan MADE tyvon branch.
branch was a scrub under dc john marshall!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
O Dog,
Have you seen the latest photo of Landry?
Dude looks like he’s seriously off the juice. (looks like the incredible hulk
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Looks like a LB. maybe our next WLB.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
DMAC,
Not saying Steph doesn’t have his issues, just saying whoever trades for Rondo is not getting the player they think they are.
He can’t shoot, takes plays/games off, turns it over a ton (led the NBA last year), and can’t make free throws.
He really isn’t that good, IMO.
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Rondo Is very good and with the right team he will only be better. Pair him with a superstar and the sky’s the limit. I have been a Celtic fan for a long time and the big 3 are not to spectacular anymore. He is probaly frustrated seeing Boston crumble. Rajon is a top point guard and most teams would be lucky to have his services.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 am
In 2008, Wilson signed a six-year, $39 million contract with the Oakland Raiders
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I don’t see Tyvon Branch getting $6.5 million per, especially when the tag price is only $6.2
thank goodness Al Davis is no longer running the organization!
Branch shouldn’t get anything more than a 6-year $30 mil at the max imo
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
chuck bresnahan MADE tyvon branch.
branch was a scrub under dc john marshall!
Tyvon Branch has a chance to contribute to our defense and win a Super Bowl in his 5th NFL season with a disciplined franchise … but I still don’t think he’s gonna give us anything more than Gibril did in ‘08 (his 5th year in the league)
same player.
Tyvon Branch 2009-2011 equals Gibril Wilson 2006-2008
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
HATER!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Happy B-Day Dr. Seuss! (still one of my all time fav.)
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
NBA talk?
Go Heat !!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 am
Go Cavs!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am
DMAC Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Happy B-Day Dr. Seuss! (still one of my all time fav.)
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just took my daughter to see the Lorax, pretty good.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
The OC, O-Line coaches etc. weren’t from that school of thought…
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Tom Cable??
We are going back to ZBS next year, with one of the same O-line coaches (Wiz 1.0) in 2011.
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Tom Cable lost all control of that offense in 2011. Hue was OC and he brought with him Power Blocking guys.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
I think you’re thinking of 2009 when Tom Cable was the defacto OC, but McFadden looked pretty horrible that year.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 am
Raider O,
I’m just trying to prove a point…
I don’t think Tyvon Branch sucks, but I don’t think he’s a Top 10 safety in this league either.
he had a decent “contract year” and now he’s gonna make a king’s ransom and probably never live up to his new contract (ie Routt & Huff)
average players should get average pay imo. Still think we should have made him a reasonable “take it or leave it” offer to stay. Same with JCamp & MBush.
what kind of contract do you think franchise players ask for? Somebody care to ask Kam Wimbley or his agent ???
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am
I like the young talent (Irving & Thompson) we have there. We need to add a few more.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
717. Good points 666. The O wasn’t really the problem last year. More weapons in place now than then for sure.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
Cavs need to add talent at C. Sign/ trade for Howard?
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am
O,
the would be SOLID if the Cavs could find a way to get Dwight Howard…
go East!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
Oh my goodness!!! Laron “The Juice” Landry!!!
When does roids testing start?
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
Thunder – Heat (Finals)
Heard it here 1st!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
BCZ,
did you see this link that YA posted?
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The only #s I see on that that don’t jive with what I posted are Huffs and DHB’s. I can’t find ANYTHING that shows me why DHB’s cap hit is 8 mill this year. We all know that he was paid a 22 mill salary in the uncapped year, I think these outlets are treating that as a signing bonus and prorating it when they shouldnt be. Also Huff, apparently the site I looked at isn’t including his bonus in the cap # or displaying it in his contract #s, which is why the figure I had was low.
Other than that, they all appear to be the same as everything I have been posting.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am
O,
the would be SOLID if the Cavs could find a way to get Dwight Howard…
go East!
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Nothing about Clevland says Dwight Howard but he would be beast on that team with Lil Irv.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
average players should get average pay imo. Still think we should have made him a reasonable “take it or leave it” offer to stay. Same with JCamp & MBush.
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Apparently the master talent evaluator Reggie McKenzie feels differently than you do.
I know there was crazy interest in Branch around the league, market value isn’t just determined by production, it is also determined by the # of bidders for your service.
Of course we also have the point I have made 100 times, you are mad about Branch being overpaid by ONE million dollars. It is worth the extra mill to me to NOT have to plug that hole, we have about 9 others on defense to worry about
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
I love hearing you guys talk about the cap like you really know what the freak! You are talking about.
LMBO! Wait and see what they do!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
569.Marks hair Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 am
I like wiz at guard. He’ll be a probowler there, and it gives us a great backup center.. Its hard to find 2.
^^^^^^^^^
I agree. That’s what keeping Satele would be nice. He is better fit as a ZBS blocker anyways and Wiz is a solid backup for him at Center.
Having solid depth on the OLine is important.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Cardinals assigned the franchise tag to DE Calais Campbell.
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You can scratch him off my “beast” wish list.
Next!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Does Glass Shilens make the cut this year?
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
I hear Najee Mustafa is making a comeback, Looks like we will have Routt’s replacement!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
I don’t think Tyvon Branch sucks, but I don’t think he’s a Top 10 safety in this league either.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is a top 10 safety. I can’t name 9 Ss better than him.
Troy
Reed
Berry
Weddle
Wilson
Branch
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
724.Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
chuck bresnahan MADE tyvon branch.
branch was a scrub under dc john marshall!
Tyvon Branch has a chance to contribute to our defense and win a Super Bowl in his 5th NFL season with a disciplined franchise … but I still don’t think he’s gonna give us anything more than Gibril did in ‘08 (his 5th year in the league)
same player.
Tyvon Branch 2009-2011 equals Gibril Wilson 2006-2008
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
HATER!!!!
^^^^^^^^
No…Branch just new his was in a contract year and playing for contract!
On Sound FX on the NFLN, during the Green Bay game….Jennings asked Branch to let up on him a bit and Branch said he couldn’t because he was in a contract year!
Ahmad Brooks from the Niners was playing for a contract and was just overpaid…look for his production to decrease next year….same for the Niners Carlos Rogers and probably Michael Bush when he is overpaid by a team thinking he is a full time starter.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Does Glass Shilens make the cut this year?
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Yes indeed!
He’ll make that cut on those crystal ankles and crumble.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
I forgot to add nick Collins..
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
743.DMAC Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Cardinals assigned the franchise tag to DE Calais Campbell.
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You can scratch him off my “beast” wish list.
Next!
^^^^^^^^
You guys should all know by now, the Raiders rarely get GOOD top tier free agents.
When they do, they overpay for crappy mediocre ones! haha
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
Raider Weapon X http://www.raidernationstation.com/ Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
717. Good points 666. The O wasn’t really the problem last year. More weapons in place now than then for sure.
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Definitely more weapons now. And, I don’t see us placing dead last in offense like last time Knapp was OC here.
I just feel his thinking and scheming is so outdated. It’s like being stuck 10-15 years in the past and not adjusting.
And I am worried about being middle of the pack, as I think our Offense will need to carry this team while our defense builds and adjusts.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Of course we also have the point I have made 100 times, you are mad about Branch being overpaid by ONE million dollars. It is worth the extra mill to me to NOT have to plug that hole, we have about 9 others on defense to worry about
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No kidding. Although Branch allowed a few TD’s in the endzone, he was HANDS DOWN the most consistent secondary player we had last year… and showed signs of leadership. If we didn’t sign him, we just as well blow up the entire team and rebuild from scratch. There is no need to do this… the offense is pretty much already in place… CP knows he has a playoff quality machine ready to put his keys into. We don’t need to win a SB next year, we just have to get close so we can attract the right pieces the following years… thats how Chucky did it after two straight 8-8 seasons!!
We were in the mix for a SB the next three straight years with Gannon. Palmer could do the same thing…
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
Wow!!!
Hues trade with the Bengal’s could net them a big fish like Wallace. If I was the Bengals I would pull the trigger and make the trade. They have some studs on that team. He opposite Green could make them one of the best if not the best WR corps in the NFL.
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In order to snag Wallace away from the Steelers, a team needs to have a high cap number this year. The Steelers must match any deal as it is written — they cannot re-jigger things to lower the cap number. Also, the deal cannot have any poison pills. Therefore, all it would take is a significantly high cap number and the Steelers would be in checkmate. If a team offered Wallace a deal with a cap number of around $12 million this year, Pittsburgh would lose its electric deep threat.
Debate: Big names, small market?
When free agency begins, players like Peyton Hillis might find a soft market for their services. Our analysts weigh in. More …
When considering teams that could potentially poach Wallace from the Steelers, one division rival comes to mind: Cincinnati. If the Bengals wanted to swing the balance of power in the AFC North in their favor — and simultaneously deliver a huge blow to Pittsburgh — they could easily make a high-cap-number deal with Wallace, gaining another Pro Bowl receiver to go along with A.J. Green. The cost for Wallace is a team’s original first-rounder. Since the Bengals have the Raiders’ No. 17 pick, they can trade their lower first rounder (21st overall), still have a valuable first-round pick and end up with an incredible talent like Wallace. The Bengals would have a hard time acquiring a receiver in this year’s draft who is ready to dominate next season like Wallace. With Wallace and Green, Cincy could be a dangerously explosive offense. All it takes is the franchise letting go of some cash and eating up some cap room. But before Bengals fans get too excited, this is typically not how the Cincinnati organization runs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
724.Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
chuck bresnahan MADE tyvon branch.
branch was a scrub under dc john marshall!
Tyvon Branch has a chance to contribute to our defense and win a Super Bowl in his 5th NFL season with a disciplined franchise … but I still don’t think he’s gonna give us anything more than Gibril did in ‘08 (his 5th year in the league)
same player.
Tyvon Branch 2009-2011 equals Gibril Wilson 2006-2008
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
HATER!!!!
^^^^^^^^
No…Branch just new his was in a contract year and playing for contract!
On Sound FX on the NFLN, during the Green Bay game….Jennings asked Branch to let up on him a bit and Branch said he couldn’t because he was in a contract year!
Ahmad Brooks from the Niners was playing for a contract and was just overpaid…look for his production to decrease next year….same for the Niners Carlos Rogers and probably Michael Bush when he is overpaid by a team thinking he is a full time starter.
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Since he’s franchised, I wouldn’t mind seeing him play for another contract.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
Not to mention Wallace is young with a lot of tred and the Bengals have a young offense.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
On Sound FX on the NFLN, during the Green Bay game….Jennings asked Branch to let up on him a bit and Branch said he couldn’t because he was in a contract year!
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Oh come on, Jennings is ribbing him about letting about, and Branch responds back in a joking fasion and you want to use THAT against him.
By your logic, Jennings is a whiney pvssy and should be cut for BEGGING the opponent to let up…
smh
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Top Ss in order:
1- Reed
2- Troy
3- Berry
4- Weddle
5- Collins
6- Wilson
7- Branch
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Probably old news, but what the hell……..
The Raiders are not expected to re-sign free agent C Samson Satele.
Pro Football Focus rated Satele as a top-five run-blocking center in 2011, but the cap-strapped Raiders may view him as a luxury they can’t afford. 2011 second-rounder Stefen Wisniewski can be moved back to center if needed.
Related: Stefen Wisniewski
Source: Vittorio Tafur on Twitter
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Top Ss in order:
1- Reed
2- Troy
3- Berry
4- Weddle
5- Collins
6- Wilson
7- Branch
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What??????
No, Earl Thomas?
C’mon O Dog!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Branch is one of those guys that plays for the live of the game. Not Money. He has been playing well since we drafted him. He had issues in coverage, but he is improving.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Does Glass Shilens make the cut this year?
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Why not?
He’d prolly come cheaper than a veteran FA without the injury problems.
This is the kind of “value” transactions we brought McK in for…
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
I think Finnegan was born to be a Raider, but his price tag will be out of our reach.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 am
Wow! Deion’s wife is really hitting him below the belt in each pocket. $200 Million, really?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/03/deion-sanders-wife-sues-for-200-million-alleges-assault/1
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 am
Earl Thomas is good too, but I donk think he played better than Branch last season. He has better hands.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Gdog Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Does Glass Shilens make the cut this year?
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Why not?
He’d prolly come cheaper than a veteran FA without the injury problems.
This is the kind of “value” transactions we brought McK in for…
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He does not seem like he is anywhere close to the Schilen’s he use to be not more than three years ago.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Thomas > Weddle
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Man, the off season sure is lame when your team has no draft picks.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
I say bring back Glass Chaz for the min. and only bring him on the field when we’re in the red zone. That way he’ll play all season and produce TD’s for us.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Here:
1- Reed
2- Troy
3- Berry
4- Weddle
5- Collins
6- Wilson
7- Earl Thomas (he is younger, and I think he will keep improving)
8- Branch
The point is Branch IS A TOP 10 SAFETY. Stop hating!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
DMAC Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Thomas > Weddle
$$$$$$$$$$
Put the Blunt down, and step away from the weed.
NOW!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Here:
1- Reed
2- Troy
3- Berry
4- Weddle
5- Collins
6- Wilson
7- Earl Thomas (he is younger, and I think he will keep improving)
8- Branch
The point is Branch IS A TOP 10 SAFETY. Stop hating!
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C’mon O Dog, you still got it wrong.
lol
Thomas should be ranked higher than Weddle. (as you can tell, I’m a big fan of Thomas)
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
DMAC Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Thomas > Weddle
$$$$$$$$$$
Put the Blunt down, and step away from the weed.
NOW!
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what???!!!
Slap yourself O Dog!
lol
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Tom Cable lost all control of that offense in 2011. Hue was OC and he brought with him Power Blocking guys.
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My good man, you are getting your years mixed up.
2011 was last year, no Cable.
2010, Cable was the HC and O-line coach was Jim Michalczik. Both hardcore ZBS guys.
2010 is when Darren was at his best.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
He does not seem like he is anywhere close to the Schilen’s he use to be not more than three years ago.
>>>>>
Agreed. Seems a step slower… I still say he has great hands though. Better than Ford, DHB, and Murphy (IMO.)
If he had come up with that 3rd down pass this wouldn’t even be an issue…
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
O Dog,
Actually I just checked out last season #’s and they’re both pretty similar, but Weddle does have the edge on the Int’s.
Thomas is still young and reminds me of a healthy Bob Sanders.
He’s much more physical than Weddle.
DMAC also loves truckin’ him when the opportunity is there.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Lol
Earl Thomas is young, I like his potential (he can be better than Weddle), but Weddle played better last season.
Dude had 12 PDef, 7 INTs, And 88 tackles.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Better than Ford…..?
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Similar?!?!
What?!?! I thought you were at work. You can’t be that high (its been a few hours since Wake & Bake, and It’s not lunch time yet.
Thomas has 6 PDefs, and 2 INTs.
Weddle had 12 PDefs, and 7 INTs.
Similar?!?!?!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Where did you get that Jim Michalzik was a ZB line coach? Just wondering. Different than what I had heard.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Rajon is a top point guard and most teams would be lucky to have his services.
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Respectfully disagree Mr. HairyBush.
Westbrook, Rose, D-Williams, CP3 are all waaay better.
Kyrie Irving will be in this list soon enough.
I put Rondo in the Tyreke Evans, Tony Parker, Andre Miller, Mike Conley group. I am sure I am leaving out some as well.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
NFL security determined between 22 and 27 defensive players on the Saints, as well as at least one asst. coach, maintained a bounty program.
NFL announces a comprehensive investigation find Saints defense and coaches guilty of violating NFL rules by having bounties on opponents…
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Could coach Dennis Allen have been involved? Maybe that is the reason he had succes in past, I hate cheaters!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Kiffin’s offense was all Cable.
Cable’s offense was all Hue…and so on..and so on…
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
NFL determined that former Saints DC Gregg Williams administered the program with knowledge of other defensive coaches.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
DMAC Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
I say bring back Glass Chaz for the min. and only bring him on the field when we’re in the red zone. That way he’ll play all season and produce TD’s for us.
>>>>>
3rd down slot receiver.
If we don’t re-sign him, who will play in the slot next year? I don’t trust anybody else’s hands…
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Where did you get that Jim Michalzik was a ZB line coach?
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Cable hired him to start, and he went back to Cal and is using a ZBS system there as well.
Just google Jim Michalzik + ZBS and there are pages of articles that link him to ZBS.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Bounties aren’t cheating. They’re unethical, unsportsmanlike, and violent, but not cheating.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Tom Cable lost all control of that offense in 2011. Hue was OC and he brought with him Power Blocking guys.
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My good man, you are getting your years mixed up.
2011 was last year, no Cable.
2010, Cable was the HC and O-line coach was Jim Michalczik. Both hardcore ZBS guys.
2010 is when Darren was at his best.
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Gotta be careful with facts, JFB. They contradict the dire forecasts of the naysayers, and will not be tolerated. Expect a backlash.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
NFL investigation of Saints began in 2010 when allegations were made that Saints targeted QBs such as Brett Favre and Kurt Warner.
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What year was DA with the Saints!?
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Tom Cable lost all control of that offense in 2011. Hue was OC and he brought with him Power Blocking guys.
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My good man, you are getting your years mixed up.
2011 was last year, no Cable.
2010, Cable was the HC and O-line coach was Jim Michalczik. Both hardcore ZBS guys.
2010 is when Darren was at his best.
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Sorry, here is my question JFB. Where did you get the idea that Michaelczik is a Hardcore ZBS guy? He coached college Cal before joining the Raiders.
I remember numerous times hearing even Cable saying that we were switching to a more power-blocking scheme that year when Hue came in and brought in a whole fresh group of position coaches.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Similar?!?!
What?!?! I thought you were at work. You can’t be that high (its been a few hours since Wake & Bake, and It’s not lunch time yet.
Thomas has 6 PDefs, and 2 INTs.
Weddle had 12 PDefs, and 7 INTs.
Similar?!?!?!
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Read my post. They both had around 90 tackles each. (similar)
I gave the edge to Weddle on the int’s.
I don’t know man, maybe I just like those physical safeties. The only hard hit I remember from weddle was the one on JLH. (knocked that gumby cut off his head)
lol
But anyways………
Pass that schit!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Buddy Ryan issued bounties, even on a kicker that left the Eagles. Forget the guy’s name. But he got flattened on a play.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Better than Ford…..?
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Schillens? Close call.
But then you have the 7 inches of height differential.
Tall WRs with good hands should always have a place on a team. 6′ 4″ that can play in the slot… who do we replace him with, and at what cost?
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Vegas (JFB),
Sorry to hear about Andrew Breitbart. I know he meant a lot to people with your politics. I didn’t like him but I don’t wish death on anyone. He was way too young. Wonder if it was just stress that got to him.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
JFB:
All I am reading about is how he will inherit Cable’s zone blocking scheme, not that he specialized in it. I read the first 8 pages that came up. This is the type of thing they say.
“Michalczik will likely inherit Cable’s zone blocking scheme, which has helped turn around an offensive line that was in shambles two years ago.
With a talented trio at running back, the Raiders will like to get back to a more power running style and Michalczik could help ease the transition.”
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
ESPN article about Bob Wylie’s hiring before the 2011 season and how that meant a switch from ZBS to a more power-oriented scheme.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/tag/_/name/jim-michalczik
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
HEY … DMAC, Raider O… pass tahat sh1t this way !!
its not 4:20 yet, but its close enough !!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Michalczik is a ZBS guy. That’s why Cable brought him in. Definitely. Go back through Jerry’s archives.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Brietbart gave this bizarre speech to some right wing interest group recently where he was talking about revolution and killing people, because one reporter called him a closet case. Guy was really high strung. It was probably the pills that did him in. Gotta relax and have a sense of humor sometimes. He took the “game” of politics way too seriously.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
DMAC,
-Wake & Bake
work
-Lunch: Good food and a Blunt
work
-Get High all night.
The good ol’ Days.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
HEY … DMAC, Raider O… pass tahat sh1t this way !!
its not 4:20 yet, but its close enough !!
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Let’s puff our way there.
Follow meeeeeeee!!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
A lot of you guys don’t realize that we used a lot of ZBS last two years as well, just mixed it up more vs. previous years with Cable.
Bush runs pretty well out of ZBS and that’s what you’ll see on many of his key runs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Purple time!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
DMAC,
-Wake & Bake
work
-Lunch: Good food and a Blunt
work
-Get High all night.
The good ol’ Days.
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I’m a nocturnal smoker. (truth)
I can’t function too well during the day.
lol
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
DMAC,
-Wake & Bake
work
-Lunch: Good food and a Blunt
work
-Get High all night.
The good ol’ Days.
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?? good ol days??
try every day !!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Cable handpicked him in 2009 (before Hue!!!) to run the ZBS system.
He is running it at Cal right now as well.
Not sure what else you need to know.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
JBF, LA to the Bay, you’re right. Found it. But also found what I was looking for which was a lot of things indicating that we started switching in 2010 heavily from a ZBS towards a more Power scheme.
“The zone blocking scheme Cable brought in worked for a very short time. Jackson brought in the power blocking scheme in 2010 and the Raiders finished No. 2 running the ball.
Now that Cable is gone, there’s no real reason to keep Cable’s guy as the zone scheme is no longer a mainstay. The Raiders allowed the most sacks in the NFL in 2010 so Michalczik’s firing is performance based as well.
Assistant offensive line coach Chris Morgan won’t be kept for 2011 either.”
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Why wouldn’t we bring back Satele? He’s solid and would at worst be the best backup in the league. Don’t really think he’s going to be too much more expensive to sign than last year. Thought we got him on the cheap with a one year deal.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
You can have 1000 fighters, but unless they are US made, they don’t count.
F16
F15
F18
F22
Watching a program about the Gulf war.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I dn’t think we will have any issues at all running the ball in 2012.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Purple time!!
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you lucky west coast guys !!
wish they would make it legal here !!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I dn’t think we will have any issues at all running the ball in 2012.
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ditto
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I’m a nocturnal smoker. (truth)
I can’t function too well during the day.
lol
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LMAO
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
A lot of you guys don’t realize that we used a lot of ZBS last two years as well, just mixed it up more vs. previous years with Cable.
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We did. However, the doomsday crowd seems to think that McFadden hasn’t and won’t do well with more emphasis on the ZBS, when the facts contradict that view.
It’s been my experience that facts don’t always work with some in here, but I’m not trying to change any minds. Just pointing out the truth; some will accept it, some won’t.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
you lucky west coast guys !!
wish they would make it legal here !!
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Grow your own purple. It’s easy.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
So in 2010, Cable was the HC with enough authority to bench the QB for his pet project Gradkowski, but both him and his O-line coach didn’t have the authority on how they would teach blocking technique?
Bogus!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I also love getting high and watching the first 30 min of a movie before falling asleep. (the wifey hates it)
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I forgot to add one of my favorite fighter planes.
F14
Best planes:
F16 multi role
F14 Air to air
F15 multi role
F18 multi role
F22 air to air
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
So in 2010, Cable was the HC with enough authority to bench the QB for his pet project Gradkowski, but both him and his O-line coach didn’t have the authority on how they would teach blocking technique?
Bogus!!!!
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We’ve been using a lot of zone since Cable got here in 07 and have had a lot of success.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I don’t give a damn what we run on offense or defense!
Just outscore our opponent at the end of the day.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Wrong climate to grow good purple here.
can get some good sticky bud to grow thou !!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Agriculture: California’s number one economy. Even bigger than showbiz. Those right wingers can leave anytime they want to and take their businesses with them. It’s because of them California’s natural resources are controlled and divided up by a few, anyway.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I wanted to be a fighter pilot, I almost joined the Air Force academy, but I was told chances of my flying a $30+ million fighter were slim to none.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Gotta run playa’s.
Ya’ll have a safe, solid weekend.
Might take the kids to check out The Lorax.
Peace!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
756.bcz24 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
On Sound FX on the NFLN, during the Green Bay game….Jennings asked Branch to let up on him a bit and Branch said he couldn’t because he was in a contract year!
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Oh come on, Jennings is ribbing him about letting about, and Branch responds back in a joking fasion and you want to use THAT against him.
By your logic, Jennings is a whiney pvssy and should be cut for BEGGING the opponent to let up…
smh
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They ALL damn well know when they are in contract years. When players know that, they play extra hard, cause they want to get paid!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Sully,
Nobody takes the “game” of politics more seriously than you do on here.
You come in, START random debates and arguments that are purely political, and get personal with it, all the while staying 110% ideological.
I hope you and Breitbart can have a good debate here soon enough.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Wrong climate to grow good purple here.
can get some good sticky bud to grow thou !!
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You can control the climate. Grow indoors.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Later DMAC. Have a good weekend bro.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
DMAC.. be safe my brother !!
have a good weekend
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Some places don’t have central air, and you can’t grow with a swamp cooler.
Or at least not most of the time, and not well.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
A lot of companies are leaving Ca. That’s a fact!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
edward teach Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
A lot of you guys don’t realize that we used a lot of ZBS last two years as well, just mixed it up more vs. previous years with Cable.
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We did. However, the doomsday crowd seems to think that McFadden hasn’t and won’t do well with more emphasis on the ZBS, when the facts contradict that view.
It’s been my experience that facts don’t always work with some in here, but I’m not trying to change any minds. Just pointing out the truth; some will accept it, some won’t.
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I only think it’s implementing a change where change wasn’t needed.
I don’t think that we’ll struggle on offense (like bottom of the barrel). I think we have way too many explosive playmakers for that to be possible.
1. Unless someone can prove me wrong 2011 was when McFadden was running the ball best out of any year before he got hurt (More YPG and more YPC).
And, when we started implementing power blocking he started running better. That’s a FACT of statistics.
2. Knapp is outdated. He hasn’t run a successful offense this decade (i.e one that is above #16 in scoring or yards). The best teams these days and the best offsensive coordinators create the top PASSING teams not the top RUSHING teams.
Quiz: When was the last time the #1 rushing team won the superbowl?
Quiz: Who were the top 5 passing teams in the NFL Last year? NO, NE, GB, NYG and Detroit.
Who were the teams to beat lastyear? NO, NE, GB, NYG.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Wow, JFB. Sorry, bro. Just asking how you felt about his death. Your political points in recent years seem to be right in line with Brietbart’s, so I just thought you were a fan of his. I’m sorry, man. I’ll drop it. Back to football.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
indoors is ok, but that sh1t smells and the cost to use grow lights is up there. plus the electric company see the spikes in useage and thats not a good thing either !!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
This is probably a tough day for you, JFB. I’ll let you mourn. I shouldn’t have started.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Why wouldn’t we bring back Satele? He’s solid and would at worst be the best backup in the league. Don’t really think he’s going to be too much more expensive to sign than last year. Thought we got him on the cheap with a one year deal.
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LA,
last year Satele was a restricted free agent and he signed his tender
this year he’s an UNrestricted free agent!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Raider O, those businesses can leave. I can tell you who isn’t leaving, and that’s the farmers.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Gdog Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
DMAC Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
I say bring back Glass Chaz for the min. and only bring him on the field when we’re in the red zone. That way he’ll play all season and produce TD’s for us.
>>>>>
3rd down slot receiver.
If we don’t re-sign him, who will play in the slot next year? I don’t trust anybody else’s hands…
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Neither did Jamarcus. Blame him?
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
So here’s my cap solution:
The easiest way to cut down the salary cap would be to sign Richard Seymour to an extension. He is in the last year of his contract and is very open to an extension. Let’s say it is a three year deal with a $9 million signing bonus. If Seymour’s 2012 total is the same, the restructure would save the team $6 million off the cap this season.
Michael Huff is another easy restructure. He is due a $4 million roster bonus on March 16. If the Raiders simply turn that roster bonus into a signing bonus, it would take $2.67 million off the cap this year.
Cut John Henderson, Chris Johnson, and Hiram Eugene which would save nearly $10 million.
Extend Aaron Curry and restructure Cooper Carlisle to bring down their total cap hit this season from around $9 million to around $5 million– a savings of $4 million. This could be done easily for both players with neither taking a pay cut.
That is $22.62 million in salary cut before even delving into several other contract restructures, including Wimbley’s cap number coming down, which would free up money for free agent spending among other things
by Levi Damien
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thoughts?
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1)Signing Seymour to a 3 year deal isn’t going to work because the man is near the end of the line anyway. He’s a bad contract that needs to be taken off the books to get out of cap hell. Restructuring his deal only prolongs the pain in subsequent seasons when we want to be able to have room to sign key offseason additions.
2)Michael Huff is also overpaid. He needs to be forced into a pay cut or force him to call our bluff and cut him. Again, we don’t need to keep spreading out bad deals over consecutive outyears.
3)Agree with cutting of Henderson, CJ, Eugene.
4)By “extend” Curry, you mean give him a major pay cut to stay? Then I agree. I’d restructure CC as well and get him to take a cut or else. Barksdale’s gonna be ready anyway.
5)Speaking of Wimbley, with him not nudging on his stance, once he’s cut, his cap number is no longer our problem after this year.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011?module=HP11_breaking_news
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Lots of acting and studio sets are moving to Albuquerque and I-25 studios, believe it or not.
They film Breaking Bad and In Plain Sight out here, tons of high-end commercials (D & G especially), and some movie spots as well.
I think it has created (or taken away) over 25,000 full-time jobs over the last 3-4 years.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Just listened to Tim and Pat talking about the Raiders in 2012. Sounded like a eulogy. They expect is to be the “doormat of the AFC West”. Lots of rookies playing. If that’s the case, we should dump CP.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
indoors is ok, but that sh1t smells and the cost to use grow lights is up there. plus the electric company see the spikes in useage and thats not a good thing either
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If you are doing a large operation you can buy capacitors to fit inline with your breaker box that will capture unused electricity during down times (no one keeps their lights on 24 hours a day!) and store it for times of heavy load, it will drastically reduce the spikes in the system.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Just listened to Tim and Pat talking about the Raiders in 2012. Sounded like a eulogy. They expect is to be the “doormat of the AFC West”. Lots of rookies playing. If that’s the case, we should dump CP.
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They said the same thing last year, when we were ‘40 million over the cap’… we know how that worked out.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
indoors is ok, but that sh1t smells and the cost to use grow lights is up there. plus the electric company see the spikes in useage and thats not a good thing either !!
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You can get a big closet. Seal it (not doors), add coal filters for the smell and a suction fan, 1 or 2 small lights, and you are good to go. It will not increase your electric bill that much for anyone to notice. You can grow 2-4 plants (depends on the size of the closet).
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
833.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
indoors is ok, but that sh1t smells and the cost to use grow lights is up there. plus the electric company see the spikes in useage and thats not a good thing either !!
^^^^^^^^
Yep when they see the spikes, the electric company calls the cops and they start doing sting operations.
One my brothers friends got caught by them seeing the spikes.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
G123,
so basically you want to stick with Seymour for this year only. Cut Wimbley, Huff, Henderson, CJ, Eugene. restructure Curry & Carlisle.
Correct ???
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Agriculture is California’s number one economy. Showbiz can leave, too. But they won’t in our lifetimes.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I haven’t been this confident that we will win the division next year, in probably 10 years.
Lots of really smart, up and coming coaches on this staff, lots of good young talent, and McKenzie is going to get everyone moving in the right direction, in unison.
2012 is going to be hella fun
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Agriculture, showbiz, and tourism. All 3 will thrive without these other so called businesses that are threatening to leave.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
1. Unless someone can prove me wrong 2011 was when McFadden was running the ball best out of any year before he got hurt (More YPG and more YPC).
And, when we started implementing power blocking he started running better. That’s a FACT of statistics.
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Wrong. In 2010 McFadden averaged 5.2 YPC and 89 yards per game. In his abbreviated 2011 season he averaged 5.4 YPC and 87.8 yards per game. He also averaged more catches in 2010, more yards per reception, and more yards per game receiving than in 2011.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
822.Raider O Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I wanted to be a fighter pilot, I almost joined the Air Force academy, but I was told chances of my flying a $30+ million fighter were slim to none.
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Me too… I am 6′5 too tall for fighter jets. They told me I could fly helo’s or bombers, but never fighters. Stupid recruiter killed my dreams, he could have lied and got me committed first.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
They said the same thing last year, when we were ‘40 million over the cap’… we know how that worked out.
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yeah, BCZ. we finished in 3rd place of the AFC West instead of 4th
good thing the Chiefs lost Cassel, Moeaki & Berry for the season, eh?
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Not sure why some are so worried about Knapp and the offense.
We got an assistant O-line coach, the OC from the previous year, and the RB coach, all returning.
Knapp will tweak just a bit, get rid of all the confusion and wasted timeouts,horrible game management, and we won’t miss a beat and will hit the ground running, when we hang 40 points on the poor saps that have to play us opening night.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
So, interesting how the Bounty thing comes up now…wasn’t DA the Db coach in 09? Are they trying to get dirt on him to possibly suspend and fine him for a game or two? Well, if he is guilty…but then again…so what???
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
G123,
so basically you want to stick with Seymour for this year only. Cut Wimbley, Huff, Henderson, CJ, Eugene. restructure Curry & Carlisle.
Correct ???
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Yup, I might have some wriggle room for CC though.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I haven’t been this confident that we will win the division next year, in probably 10 years.
Lots of really smart, up and coming coaches on this staff, lots of good young talent, and McKenzie is going to get everyone moving in the right direction, in unison.
2012 is going to be hella fun
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Co-signed with JFB!
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
yeah, BCZ. we finished in 3rd place of the AFC West instead of 4th
good thing the Chiefs lost Cassel, Moeaki & Berry for the season, eh?
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You could look at it that way negative nancy. Or you could look at it as, through all the injuries and the worst defense in team history we were 1 PLAY away from being division champs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Stupid recruiter killed my dreams, he could have lied and got me committed first.
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Bad salesman.
I had the Marines swearing that I was ONLY going to play baseball for them after a year or two, and if I have heard of David Robinson and Roger Staubach (and other military pro-athletes).
They almost got me, until my brother (in the Navy) called me and started laughing when I told him that.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Winning the division with our QBs, our receivers, and basically our whole defense sans Seymour and the corners, is going to be a tall order. Even with good coaching and a more cohesive system, we still have too many players that aren’t good football players, and opposing coaches will continue to exploit them, until they’re off the field. We’re in year one of a complete overhaul. By next year we will be good, assuming McKenzie is for real and knows what he’s doing. Endorsed by one of the greatest GMs ever, Ron Wolf, my hopes are high.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
G123,
how do you feel about Tommy Kelly and his contract?
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
#850…What do you mean Teach? We started implementing the power blocking in 2010. We had some Zone in 2010 and 2011, but started implementing more Power in 2010 when Hue came board.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
854.hwnrdr Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
So, interesting how the Bounty thing comes up now…wasn’t DA the Db coach in 09? Are they trying to get dirt on him to possibly suspend and fine him for a game or two? Well, if he is guilty…but then again…so what???
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The saints org will be punished with a big fine and probably a draft pick, and Greg Williams will probably be fined, but thats it. DA may never even be mentioned in association with it, and I certainly doubt he will be disciplined.
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Michael Huff @Huffy247
Had a great talk with D.A. and I love what he has planned for us on D.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Since today is Friday and I’m in a good mood, and quitting time is 3 minutes away, pour me more of that kool-aid.
I love CP3’s attitude and talking about Super Bowls. I love having DMAC back healthy and paired up for the first time with CP3. I love the returning O-line that is going to adapt to the new ZBS and turn DMAC into a 1500 yard rusher with 80+ catches. I love D. Moore taking the next step and becoming Mike Wallace-West. I love the new smart coaching staff that is going to school the old ways of the dummy staff. I love the attitude that Tarver is going to bring to the Defense.
All positive today guys, 12-4 AFC West Champs, hell SB champs!
Have a great weekend!
Later…
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
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Which one of these players made the Pro Bowl?
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
G123,
how do you feel about Tommy Kelly and his contract?
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He’s worth it if we had kept to a 4-3, but he’s not worth his price in the 3-4. We should trade him for a 4th rounder if we can get it, and re-tool. I liked him more though than many in here.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Bad salesman.
I had the Marines swearing that I was ONLY going to play baseball for them after a year or two, and if I have heard of David Robinson and Roger Staubach (and other military pro-athletes).
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I know, it was shocking really, those recruiters will say ANYTHING to get you to go there.
I went to UTI in NC, and I heard of their recruiters telling people there was a pool on the second floor (its a 1 story building) and that upon graduation you get to keep the $90,000 nascar engine you build if you take that program. The entire program costs $26 grand… but they give you a $90k engine… and people bought that.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
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Which one of these players made the Pro Bowl?
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Nnamdi did…why?
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Sounds like Huffy got the contract “in whack” and will be leading the offseason push.
Welcome back. Now go wrap up the ball-carrier and knock of the missed tackle routine.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
negative nancy?
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Come on, BCZ
who predicted Palmer + McFadden + King Darrius = 10+ wins next season?
who predicted a #1 Rushing offense and validated the Knapp hire 100 times?
who said we didn’t need to add any QB’s, RB’s, WR’s or TE’s this offseason? I think I even stated we could bring back the same O-Line from last year and be ok.
who said we could dump all the overpaid underachievers and have a BETTER defense than we did last year?
I’m one of Top 10 Kool-Aid pouring semi pros on this blog
How many of your comments have I co-signed or gave props to this week?
How many times have you been the “negative nancy” and I offered some encouraging words?
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
#850…What do you mean Teach? We started implementing the power blocking in 2010. We had some Zone in 2010 and 2011, but started implementing more Power in 2010 when Hue came board.
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Ok, let’s go back to the beginning because some of you are just not getting it. McFadden’s first two games as a pro were in 2008. The Raiders used zone blocking as their primary scheme that year, and in those first two games McFadden ran for 46 yards on 9 carries against Denver (5 yards per carry) and rushed for 164 yards on 21 carries against the Chiefs. He was injured in that game, and that injury affects his performance for the rest of the year. He still ended up averaging nearly 4.5 yards per carry. The following year is a wash. He spent the year either injured or backing up Fargas. 2010 was his breakout year, and he ran in both systems.
What I’ trying to say is that McFadden is elite. He will have success in both systems, which we will implement this year. The only difference is that zone will replace power as the dominant scheme.
The school of thought that McFadden has been and will be more successful in a power scheme is flawed. He has had success with both, which is what you’d expect from an elite running back.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
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Which one of these players made the Pro Bowl?
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Nnamdi did…why?
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Right, and Al let him go. And where’s Nnamdi’s replacement?
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Sounds like Huffy got the contract “in whack” and will be leading the offseason push.
Welcome back. Now go wrap up the ball-carrier and knock off the missed tackle routine.
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JFB,
Huff Daddy is a good football player. He tackles as well as any free safety in the league. He does need to make more plays though, which puts him in the same category as Tyvon Branch
Can I get a forced fumble? Maybe an interception? how about a tackle behind the line of scrimmage? safety blitz?
pass defensed, even?
Michael Huff was a stud under John Marshall and a dud under Chuck B (like the rest of the defense)
Tyvon Branch was a dud under John Marshall and a stud (use the term loosely, lol) under Chuck B … weird, huh?
It’ll be interesting to see how these guys respond to Jason Tarver!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
He tackles as well as any free safety in the league.
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Link???
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
SOURCE??
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
LA,
last year Satele was a restricted free agent and he signed his tender
this year he’s an UNrestricted free agent!
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10-4. Thanks, RRS.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Oh yeah, RRS is a big time Kool Aid Drinker. Just a different flavor than some.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RRS is a big time Kool Aid Drinker. Just a different flavor than some.
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Berry blue, suckas!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Huff wasn’t loafin in 2011. Just banged up. if anything, he Richard and Ro get credit for battling through injuries (tho Ro has yet to prove he’s any good while not injured).
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
edward teach Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
#850…What do you mean Teach? We started implementing the power blocking in 2010. We had some Zone in 2010 and 2011, but started implementing more Power in 2010 when Hue came board.
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Ok, let’s go back to the beginning because some of you are just not getting it. McFadden’s first two games as a pro were in 2008. The Raiders used zone blocking as their primary scheme that year, and in those first two games McFadden ran for 46 yards on 9 carries against Denver (5 yards per carry) and rushed for 164 yards on 21 carries against the Chiefs. He was injured in that game, and that injury affects his performance for the rest of the year. He still ended up averaging nearly 4.5 yards per carry. The following year is a wash. He spent the year either injured or backing up Fargas. 2010 was his breakout year, and he ran in both systems.
What I’ trying to say is that McFadden is elite. He will have success in both systems, which we will implement this year. The only difference is that zone will replace power as the dominant scheme.
The school of thought that McFadden has been and will be more successful in a power scheme is flawed. He has had success with both, which is what you’d expect from an elite running back.
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And all I’m saying is that if it is working very well, why change it?
He MIGHT do well now in a full-time ZBS. Maybe it’ll be better because if/when he gets injured during the year any joe back-up can still get yards. Maybe not. Maybe the line (at least the left side) who is having to switch to a whole new system and was pretty damned domenent last year is more hesitant.
But, I’m more worried about the overall scheme of Knapp which is really a total change to EVERYTHING. Times have majorly changed in the NFL since he was last successful. The passing game TOTALLY opened up. I don’t want growing pains offensively while our Defense actually gets built. I want to have our offense dominant (which it can be).
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
tho Ro has yet to prove he’s any good while not injured).
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Good is already in the rearview mirror, and greatness is full speed ahead!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
funny…al drafted branch= now a top notch safety, drafted nmamdi = moved him from safety to cb…all pro, drafted moore drafted ford… shaughnessy and bey ….tbd look good though.
but these fools in here wont give him credit….
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Which one of these players made the Pro Bowl?
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Nnamdi did…why?
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Right, and Al let him go. And where’s Nnamdi’s replacement?
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TRUE, VERY VERY stupid decision to get rid of Nnamdi and pay his money to Routt.
Many stupid decisions.
Can’t say recent drafts were bad though. Some good players came out of them.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Almost our ENTIRE offense is made up players we drafted or traded for. Exception is our RG and RT, and “starting TE” (although he wasn’t starting much).
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Good is already in the rearview mirror, and greatness is full speed ahead!!!
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LOL
that would be awesome if ROMAC went from zero to hero!
from turd to terrorizer!
from bust to beast!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
But, I’m more worried about the overall scheme of Knapp which is really a total change to EVERYTHING. Times have majorly changed in the NFL since he was last successful. The passing game TOTALLY opened up. I don’t want growing pains offensively while our Defense actually gets built. I want to have our offense dominant (which it can be).
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Didn’t you read the interview with Palmer?He talked about going over the top.He talked about being able to utilize the speed we have at WR.Maybe you should wait and see what the offense will look like before predicting gloom and doom.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Didn’t you read the interview with Palmer?He talked about going over the top.He talked about being able to utilize the speed we have at WR.Maybe you should wait and see what the offense will look like before predicting gloom and doom.
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I accused Lefty of being a “negative nancy” last week.
Look at him now! you go bro!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Good is already in the rearview mirror, and greatness is full speed ahead!!!
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You and I are in the shrinking minority of folks that still think Ro can be great.
Same thing as with JaMarcus though. Didn’t lose me on the field, lost me in between games and in interviews. Certainly lost teammates in the locker room.
Talent isn’t lacking, it’s maturity.
Kid is 22. I was an idiot when I was 22 too. I got better, so can he.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
“He talked about being able to utilize the speed we have at WR”
LOL.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Raider Nation-Station
HAWT!~ 03-02-12:
“With cap questions looming, Oakland needs to restructure or trim the fat. Among those on the chopping block, FS Michael Huff. Till now no one knew if he would stay or go. Heres why we think…”
HUFF REMAINS A RAIDER
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”
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Snitches get Stitches!!!!!!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Kid is 22. I was an idiot when I was 22 too.
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Hey, I can still get my idiot on at age 31, lol.
I think Rolando needs harsh, strict discipline with football, but I think he loves the game and will flourish with this new breath of fresh air we got.
Hell, I would love to play football and make millions a year, but having to put up with a dofus-duo like Chuck B and Hue Jackson, might take a little shine off that for even me.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
883. Some great players in later rounds too!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
891. Cheaters win Super Bowls
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Have to wonder if Russell would have fared better in an environment like this.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Does “Bountygate” taint the Saints’ Super Bowl win?
Yes. 46.49% (2,620 votes)
No. 50.41% (2,841 votes)
No opinion. 3.11% (175 votes)
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2620 p*ssies and 175 indifferent @$$holes get stitches!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I think Rolando needs harsh, strict discipline with football, but I think he loves the game and will flourish with this new breath of fresh air we got
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hope for the best – thats all we can do!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Have to wonder if Russell would have fared better in an environment like this.
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Perfect storm for Russell.
One of the last #1s to get ridiculous money, with a desparate Al Davis opening up the pocketbook big time (in the midst of a war with his own newly-hired head coach) with only one great game under his belt, coming out early as a junior with a bunch of dead weight lying around (seems like Al started to purge in 09), addicted to codeine and moving to a place like CA?
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
How would bounties taint a win? It’s unethical, but it’s not cheating. It’s just a violent concept that the league doesn’t allow. It doesn’t give a team an advantage.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Raiders need a “Bounty” program. We could start with the P>>ssies right on our own team. If you suck in a game or miss a play you get drilled at practice and fined.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Lol at people upset at the Saints. Hope there are no Nation fans among them.
That stuff is straight out of the Raider playbook of the ’70s. As is filming the other team’s walkthroughs.
As Gene Upshaw used to say, “If you ain’t cheatin’ you ain’t tryin’.”
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Have to wonder if Russell would have fared better in an environment like this
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@Sully
no doubt! the question is “how much better” ???
However, if Reggie McKenzie is an excellent talent evaluator, who says he would have drafted JaMarcus in the first place?
2007 he might have kept Randy Moss & Aaron Brooks and got a better coaching staff and O-Line in here
who knows? it’s easy to play the “what if” game
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Russell had already achieved what he wanted. Be the #1 overall pick and get paid.
Not sure discipline can change what’s in a guy’s heart.
From what we heard about Rolando prior to the 2010 draft, he was a film junkie and loved the game. Not so for Russell, which I hope proves to be the difference between the two.
We need a #1 overall pick QB who is self motivated, not worried bout money, but worried bout winning a title.
Oh wait….. WE DO!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
If you suck in a game or miss a play you get drilled at practice and fined.
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Somewhere, that crazy UCLA hoops kid (Nelson???) is smiling in agreement.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Q: Did the Saints play dirty?
A: No.
Q: Is there SB win tainted in any way?
A: No.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Huff just tweeted that he talked to DA and said he loved what DA has planned for teh defense…so, is Huffy staying?
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Their*
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Huff just tweeted that he talked to DA and said he loved what DA has planned for teh defense…so, is Huffy staying?
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“Hey, Huff — go deep! No, further…. further! Keep going. That’s right. No, further, across the street, I can still hit you from here!……… OK, guys, quick, bone out. Leave his sh*t in the parking lot
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
http://deadspin.com/5890060/
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Huff is one of those many players we have who isn’t nearly as bad as many believe because he has been playing in the antiquated defensive scheme they were forced to play.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:13 pm
No offense Steve..but can we get Jerry back on the Blog. He use to crank out 5 to 6 posts a day. Steve does one posts every other day. I rarely check this thing anymore.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Do you think the Saints are the only team that does this? I see an epic league scandal coming. Good thing this story broke now instead of a year ago at this time, with the looming lockouts.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Tay, Jerry was not leaving 5 posts a day in early March. Jerry used to warn us right after the coaching changes that he would sign off for some time, only updating if there was big news.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@ 908,
I fell off the floor…awesome.
Oh, revenge of the troll alert…
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Do you think the Saints are the only team that does this?
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Nope.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
2)Michael Huff is also overpaid. He needs to be forced into a pay cut or force him to call our bluff and cut him. Again, we don’t need to keep spreading out bad deals over consecutive outyears.
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Unless the CBA is now different, there is no such thing as a “pay cut.” The only way any team can restructure a contract is to extend the contract out to reduce the cap hit per year. So unless Huff is in the Raiders future plans, there is no reason to restructure… its just delaying the inevitable. Thats what the Raiders did to reach the SB.. almost all the veteran players signed long term contracts to get under the cap, then when Gannon, Rice, Garner, Brown, Parella, Adams, Romo, Rwood, Kennedy, etc etc retired or moved on, we were stuck in cap hell without any of the players actually on the field.
It would have been worth it with a ring… but its a huge gamble.
We can prolly get by with restructuring Seymour… one player wouldn’t crush us I guess…
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Will some of the splatter from the sh!tstorm, Emperor Goodell is about to rain down on the Saints, land on Dennis Allen?
After all, he was on the staff. When some of this “bounty” stuff was supposedly going on….
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Who them Saints?
If I were head of the NFLPA I’d ask for at least a one year suspension for Gregg Williams and Sean Peyton.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
When the Institution (Saints) puts up incentives to hurt an opposing player, that is down-right criminal intent to injure…Lots of money gonna come out of this one.
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider Weapon X http://www.raidernationstation.com/ Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
891. Cheaters win Super Bowls
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Tell that to the Sf Phony Whiners. They were the biggest cheats of all.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Will some of the splatter from the sh!tstorm, Emperor Goodell is about to rain down on the Saints, land on Dennis Allen?
After all, he was on the staff. When some of this “bounty” stuff was supposedly going on….
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Another question would be if the NFL will also target players involved and if any Raiders players were contributing money to the pot.
I hope Allen’s name doesn’t come up in this crap.
This is just stupid. This stuff may go on between players but why in God’s name would anyone keep records of this crap and leave an evidence trail for investigators to follow?!?!?!
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Was the intent to injure? I know the term ‘bounty’ would imply as much but if it was just extra cash for smashing the sh;t out of a QB (all legal hits, I might add), isn’t it just an off-the-books performance bonus?
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Do you think the Saints are the only team that does this?
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Nope.
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The way I understood it I thought defensive players from multiple teams were putting money in the pot for certain players.
Am I wrong? Was this just centered within the Saints organization?
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Guess I was wrong. I heard it on ESPN radio at work.
just had a chance to read about it now.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
The bounty program was rumored to occur back then! I remember in their title year they beat up two Hall of Fame QBs Warner and Farve with late hits intended to hurt their ribs etc… during playoff games. How about what Tony fat ass did to Gannon – he was not even susptended! Disgusting. I thought it was disgusting then and I still do now.
I thought that Arizona or Minnesota should have retaliated since the league did nothing about it. Now years later they talk about it? This reminds me of the Patriots and their nonsense with stealing signals and in which all that happened is they lost a draft pick a couple of years later. I also remember Denver going over the cap in their title years – what they lost a 4th rounder for that and all the stupid cut blocking Denver used to do.
I like good hard hits but I really don’t like cheap shots and a league that does nothing about it. Shame on the NFL for being a bunch of wussys when enforcing the rules Cheaters never prosper except in the NFL!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Williams and Peyton should be fined and suspended and the Saints should lost their first and 2nd round pics. I mean Warner retired after that beat down.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
This is just stupid. This stuff may go on between players but why in God’s name would anyone keep records of this crap and leave an evidence trail for investigators to follow?!?!?!
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Gotta pay them somehow. Paper trail has to be left somewhere and I’d imagine audits were in order.
These are NFL coaches, not congressional slush fund managers and CIA operatives (and even those guys get caught).
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Why not put a bounty on the coaches? the saints’ performance on the field came down when sean payton got his leg broken on the sideline…why not put a bounty on the refs? lets put a bounty on every living thing out there, how bad ca it be? this kids only weigh 300 pounds.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Williams was talking this crap up that year talking about “knocking people out” of games. He is a punk! Someone should of went wide right and retaliated on Payton and then took Brees out and see how it feels. Too bad stick neck Williams was up in a booth. Maybe that ice skater from Portland can brings some of her friends in for a visit. What a thug! NFL should have suspended half the defense. I saw the late hits – half of them did not even get a personal conduct penalty now we have over reaction on other teams that make decent plays and we have these thugs running wild – no balance.
Can you imagine if the Raiders tried to pull something like this?
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
That hit on Favre was awesome that big de broke that drama queens soul with that hit . Bountys are cool until it gets leaked out and embarrass your coaches.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
You’d think the league would do everything they could to avoid the widespread scandal, and keep it as isolated to one team as possible. But of course an opportunity to take down the Raiders could change that.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
449.realtruraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 am
Listen up I got something to say, Fk all you so called raider fans that feel the need to talk schit about the greatest Raider ever, The Late Great Al Davis. Show some fking respect man, let the man rest and peace. Not sure why some of you still feel the need to bash him daily, give it a fking rest, some of you muthafkers are fake @ss fans, who sound more like Donkeys or Queefs fans.
I know theres alot of Real Tru Raider fans on here, but man reading through some of these post makes me shake my head and wonder why some these fools ever became Raider fans.
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From the “for what it’s worth category”.
On NFLN Lombardi was on from the combine and they were talking about how the combine isn’t the same without Al Davis.
Lombardi said “His presence is certainly missed here this year. He was an intimidating presence and he knew everything about every player; where they went to school, their stats…everything”. He continued “I was in Cleveland with Bill Belichik and we plagiarized…stole… alot of the stuff we learned from Al Davis and implemented those things with the Browns. Alot of the stuff Belichik uses now actually came from Al Davis”.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
If the NFL does not come down like a ton of bricks on this one, the NFL is going to start looking like the NHL a few years ago. We are going to have to start drafting enforcers and give them signing bonuses for when they take people out and get fined.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Autumn the reason the Raiders are in such bad standing with the league is because they are the father of bounty-style play. I don’t know if the Raiders had actual bounties in the ’70s but every player on that defense played as if there was one. Tatum admitted he was trying to hurt people. Said there’s no other way to play the game.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Deathrow
Look I am not a Farve fan but that kind of crap can ruin his life – he could be crippled forever after on of those bs cheap shots. I remember in some instances in the NHL a few years back there was actually aggravated battery charges because the shots were so cheap. The one that needs a cheap shot is Williams!
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Deathrow, Favre isn’t a drama queen. The Packers were the real drama queens. All they had to do was cut him but they didn’t want him to go to another team. Then they didnt’ want him to play for them, either. They tried to hold him hostage.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Favre probably could have sued the Packers for what they did. Holding him to his contract with no intention of using his services? That’s a form of enslavement. Every American is guaranteed a pursuit of happiness. It’s in the constitution.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Sullivan
I was at some of those games Tatum et al. had territories and if a WR wanted to try to come in and make a catch in my territory they would pay and remember the cost so they would hear footsteps next time. They were not necessarily trying to take the player out just trying to get them to hear footsteps and get jumpy so they would drop balls. The rules were different then and the corners and WRs also mixed it up. There was a reason Lester Hayes was called Lester the molester. That is totally different from taking out people after a play is dead or late hitting like these thugs were up to. I honestly believe the league gave New Orleans some slack because of Katrina and they pushed it right to the limit.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Favre probably could have sued the Packers for what they did. Holding him to his contract with no intention of using his services? That’s a form of enslavement. Every American is guaranteed a pursuit of happiness. It’s in the constitution.
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Actually, the Declaration of Independence.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Look Farve signed the contract! If they want to pay him for carrying a clipboard the more power to them. I am not a big Farve fan but he had a right to try to work his way out of there as well within the rules.
The issue I have is in the playoff game after the Saints mugged Kurt Warner they in turn beat the crap out of Farve. Half of the Saints in that game should not of even been there because what they did should have had them suspended but there was too cute a story going on with Katrina.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Before we villify the Saints, lets wait to see how widespread this was/is.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Autumn Wind, that’s conventional pro-business philosophy. But I still think Favre could have sued in civil court and won. If he could make the case that Green Bay had no intentions of using his services. It’s one thing if you hold someone to a contract and you could use their services. That’s what a contract is for. Contracts were not designed to take people out of the game. Sure, businesses do it. But the true legality of it is certainly debatable in the courts. That pursuit of happiness is important, and most judges, even conservative ones, will side in favor of it. If your’e not going to use the employee, let them pursue their happiness. Let them prosper elsewhere. Don’t hold them hostage.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Autumn Wind, point out to me how Green Bay outright releasing Favre during that debacle would have made the game of football worse. I look forward to that.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I don’t know why this is such an issue with you guys? Did you see Kimo dive and hit Palmer in the knees after he completed that 50 yard strike on the lst play of that cincy Pitt playoff game? Or when Tamba Hali dove at Palmers knees here in the Coliseum the very lst pass Palmer threw? Sh** happens all the time. Answer: Paybacks are a bit**.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
The reason the Raiders were in bad standing with the league:
1. Al Davis was in a feud with Pete Rozelle and was ticked about not being commissioner or co-commissioner when the leagues merged. Davis played hardball to force the merger and many in the old NFL did not like it.
2. Davis ticked off the league by moving and then suing the league
3. Darrell Stingily. However that hit was not way after the play or anything like a bounty but was a viscus hit – following the make them pay mentality. Remember there were no rules about helmet to helmet hits and other types of hits that are frowned upon now days etc…
4. Al made a lot of enemies that were on committees such as Coach Shanahan that absolutely hated him.
5. Al kept doing things that made the league look bad like taking outcasts like Ted Hendricks or Jim Plunket and revamping their careers. This made other teams look stupid. He also hired minorities and was color blind when many were still prediced about black coaches and QBs and made other owners look like the bigots they were.
6. He paid too much for players and did not respect coaches which drove prices up and made many in the league hate him.
It seemed though that under the new Commissioner, Al was kind of beloved and he played an integral role in the 2006 labor agreement that avoided a shut down.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
And there could lie the problem, Seymour. The Raiders really can’t retaliate because the league is gunning for them. The Raiders are like an employee the company is trying to get rid of. It’s open season on that employee. But as soon as he becomes agitated and fights back with co-workers? Discipline him immediately. It’s a tough spot.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
#946. There ya go.
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Autumn Wind, I’ve asked this question several times, and have never gotten an answer. What exactly did Al Davis do to prevent a work stoppage in 2006?
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Bush
The reason it ticks me off is I watched those playoff games and they were drilling Farve and Warner with helmets into their ribs etc… over and over again. It is one thing to get there late and take a bad angle or a player take a cheap shot individually, it is entirely a different thing to have a coach talk about knocking people out of games as a defensive strategy. This is not boxing or MMA. If the NFL does not take action the other team should throw wide right and start taking out coaches and take out Brees and see how they like their own medicine.
Sullivan
I do not want to talk about contract law with you about Farve. Neither of us is a lawyer and we do not have the contract in front of us. In business people are paid all the time to not compete within a geographic limit or outright. What Farve did in some ways is not a lot different than what Palmer did. Palmer was tired of playing under the conditions of Cincinnati and wanted out and did some drama about it – was even willing to retire than play there. As I remember you are one of the CP haters (but I might be wrong)
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Autumn Wind, I’ve asked this question several times, and have never gotten an answer. What exactly did Al Davis do to prevent a work stoppage in 2006?
To me? I have read that he worked with Upshaw and came up with a compromise that was adopted. I know his relationship with Upshaw and them working together on the side helped avert the situation then.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
And there could lie the problem, Seymour. The Raiders really can’t retaliate because the league is gunning for them. The Raiders are like an employee the company is trying to get rid of. It’s open season on that employee. But as soon as he becomes agitated and fights back with co-workers? Discipline him immediately. It’s a tough spot.
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All they need do, is WIN SOME F$%KING GAMES. There are all kind of “everybody is against us teams”
exhibit 1; THE Baltimore Ravens. They seem to do just fine.
The Raiders have executed poor drafts, had a meglomaniacal owner, and his odd ways have them in cap hell. I will agree there was a lot of animosity directed at Davis. Never bite the hand that feeds you, or more importantly feeds others.
“. This made other teams look stupid. He also hired minorities and was color blind when many were still prediced about black coaches and QBs and made other owners look like the bigots they were.”
The above was absolutely true..and primarily the main reason this guy was targeted.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Before we villify the Saints, lets wait to see how widespread this was/is.
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There have always been bounties, and this “allegation” or whatever you want to call it still isn’t worse than that. I also find the timing of this – around the contractual impasse of Drew Brees. Timing of this is too convenient.
LaRon Landry, anyone?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/with-fred-davis-tagged-laron-landry-likely-will-leave/
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Autumn Wind, I already said that businesses hold people hostage all of the time by holding them to their contract without any intention of using their services. I went on to say that the legality of it is debatable in the courts. Traditional business sense, not law, but business sense, says that when you are under contract with a company, they own you. That’s what business says. That’s what the man says. Courts don’t always come to that conclusion. I’m pretty sure Favre could have sued Green Bay and won.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Autumn Wind, I’ve asked this question several times, and have never gotten an answer. What exactly did Al Davis do to prevent a work stoppage in 2006?
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The new collective bargaining agreement was not popular amongst most of the owners, and was about to be defeated. Davis took the floor, and did a lawyerly, step-by-step presentation about why it was in their best interests to approve it. It passed, and Goodell always appreciated that.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
If the Raiders in fact are going primarily with the 3-4 & the Falcons franchising CB Grimes the Raiders should turn their attention to ILB Loftin.
‘Nuf said. . .
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The issue I have is in the playoff game after the Saints mugged Kurt Warner they in turn beat the crap out of Farve. Half of the Saints in that game should not of even been there because what they did should have had them suspended but there was too cute a story going on with Katrina.
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I have no issue. Had the same thing happened with us, people would be screaming “they’re out to get us”
Williams was dirty, and he had Cecil and Jeff Fisher, and they all pushed the limits. Haynesworth got busted “enforcing Titans style” and so did Cortland Finnegan.
They would’ve issued one on Tom Brady, and Brady dropped 50 on them back in 2008 or so. The Saints offense ran up the score, and when they faced a defense more physical than them (Forty-Niners), THEY LOST.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I’m skeptical of Al Davis and Gene Upshaw having that tight of a relationship. Upshaw could not have been happy about the way Davis treated Marcus, even though he’d left the team long beforehand. Until I know exactly what Davis said to Upshaw to get him to soften his union’s position, I’m not too sure about Al being influential in those negotiations. Al and his front office loved to mythologize Al’s impact, and they would jump at any opportunity to take credit for something they really had little to do with.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RaiderDuck, just shoot me a link to a transcript of this supposed presentation by Davis to the other owners, and I might buy.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Wasn’t our coach with the saints a few years back? hmmm
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Wasn’t our coach with the saints a few years back? hmmm
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Weird, huh? Raiders still in the middle of drama even with Al Davis gone…
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Well, you definitely can’t blame Al for this. This is all Reggie, if it does blow up. Then again it’s possible he had no clue. That wouldn’t be a good scenario, either. I’d like to think our GM is in the loop and has all the dirt there is to be had around the league, even stuff that never gets to the press.
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
ahahahahahaha
MR beggin for more abuse. Troll 101!
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RaiderDuck, just shoot me a link to a transcript of this supposed presentation by Davis to the other owners, and I might buy.
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It was a closed-door meeting, so no transcript is or ever will be available. However:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/723040-was-al-davis-at-the-secret-owners-meetings
Money quote: “In 2006, Al Davis stepped in and convinced the owners—who had bickered about earnings and wouldn’t concede to the players who wanted and deserved more of the pie—to settle with the players and they signed a good collective bargaining agreement (CBA) in terms of what the players finally were awarded and the NFL had to give up.”
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I’m skeptical of Al Davis and Gene Upshaw having that tight of a relationship. Upshaw could not have been happy about the way Davis treated Marcus, even though he’d left the team long beforehand. Until I know exactly what Davis said to Upshaw to get him to soften his union’s position, I’m not too sure about Al being influential in those negotiations. Al and his front office loved to mythologize Al’s impact, and they would jump at any opportunity to take credit for something they really had little to do with.
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Dude it is common knowledge that Al was instrumental in the 2006 CBA… I bet you think Al had nothing to do with hiring the first minority HC too…
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
With Wisniewski moving to center;
This should be the Raiders OLine
Vehldeer. Nicks. Wisniewski. Carlisle. Campbell/Barksdale/Gaither
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
How would bounties taint a win? It’s unethical, but it’s not cheating. It’s just a violent concept that the league doesn’t allow. It doesn’t give a team an advantage.
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By playing the rest of the game against your opponents 2nd string is an advantage.
If its a Divsional opponent and you get him your first meeting, its an advantage.
If they lose any of their starters because you collected a bounty for hurting them
its an advantage.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
965. Barksdale comes off like a thoughtful, inteligent young man. We hope hecontinues to grow and win a starting job this off season he’ll own for the next 10+ years.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Sully Silly yur right it was joy behar, yur idol who saved the NFL in 2006, Al had nuthin to do with it.
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