Wimbley contract a huge burden
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, March 1st, 2012 at 12:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley will earn more than $11 million from the Raiders as a result of the contract he signed a year or so ago. The Raiders aren’t so inclined to watch that figure grow to nearly $30 million.
Hence, general manager Reggie McKenzie is working with McKenzie’s agent, Joe Linta, about a reworked deal that frees up some salary cap room for 2012 and lessens the guaranteed money due Wimbley if he’s still on the Raiders roster as of Mar. 17.
Wimbley’s contract calls for him to earn $11 million in 2012. Of that, $6.5 million is guaranteed, even if the Raiders release him at any time.
ProFootballTalk.com on Thursday learned that things get even worse for the Raiders if they fail to get something done within the next two weeks or so.
The remainder of Wimbley’s 2012 contract ($4.5 million) becomes guaranteed Mar. 17, as does an $11 million salary for 2013 and $2 million of his salary for 2014.
Add up the figures, including Wimbley’s 2011 salary, and that’s the $29 million late owner Al Davis “guaranteed” Wimbley when he gave him the long-term deal last season. In reality, the only guarantee was that Wimbley would see at least $11.2 million of that amount.
How much more, if any, he gets is up to McKenzie and Wimbley.
It’s conceivable that Wimbley will hold firm, force the Raiders to release him, hit free agency and cash in on another mega deal.
One thing seems certain: Wimbley has a tough decision to make between now and Mar. 13, when the Raiders have to be in compliance with the salary cap.
He has said he enjoys playing for the Raiders, who traded for him in 2010. New coach Dennis Allen no doubt would love to have Wimbley as part of his future. Yet, it’s apparent that the marriage won’t move forward without some drastic changes.
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March 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RAIDER NATION
March 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
cork, you are just 4 hours late…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
it’s conceivable that Wimbley will hold firm, force the Raiders to release him, hit free agency and cash in on another mega deal.
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I’m not sure he’ll get a mega deal elsewhere Corky.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:11 pm
cuatro
March 1st, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I got 5 on it!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
201.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 6:29 am
It’s not about money, it’s not about anything other than winning. That was my first impression and from the few talks I’ve had with a couple of coaches, it sounds like there’s been some real good meetings, there’s been some real good opportunities within the organization to get together and talk about what has to happen, what needs to change, what doesn’t need to happen or doesn’t need to change. So it sounds like things are really coming together for the best.
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sounds like Palmer is willing to restructure.
“It’s not about money” is always what you want to hear from a player!
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Yeah, right. Especially when said player has $80 million in the bank, with another $50 milion or so on the way. And to think he spit in the face of the team that gave it to him. It’s “about the money” for every player in the history of professional sports. Any player that says otherwise is lying through his teeth!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Either restructure or get lost
March 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
shoooot!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
A lot of mediocre football players are going to miss out on huge contracts now that Big Al is gone.
Wimbley is a “coach killer.” In big games, against good teams, he doesn’t make a play. He only has one move — lowering his inside shoulder to get around the OT.
I say cut him and take the cap hit. Replace him with anyone who can change direction.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
For all of you “cap myth people” out there, it is being reported that Pittsburgh will not tag WR Wallace. Now I wonder why that is when he is really really good and valuable to team? It Couldn’t be that they are in worse cap shape than the Raiders? Naaa, I have heard it is just drama. It must be because the Steelers really don’t like him and are using the cap to get rid of him. Maybe they can have a seance and have Al show them how to make it work.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Allen could possibly turn Wimbley into a pro bowl type player, but he’s going to have to restructure that contract, if he wants to stick around.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
As a fan, you can’t “hate” on all the players.
As a “fan base” (collectively), some of the group in here proves that you can.
Palmer today, McFadden tomorrow, and those our some of the best players on the team in my book.
Overpaid guys should give some $$ back, if winning is important to them. They won’t starve.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
In 2010 and against SD this year he is worth that kind of money as a sack specialist – otherwise I am not seeing the big deal here. He was very inconsistent against the run and kept the team on the field a few times with penalties.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
If hes willing to restructure then id love him back, but hes no $11 million good. Tambi Hali is getting paid around that much and hes doing a better job.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Wimbley has all the leverage here. I hope Reggie doesn’t insult the guy and his agent with some lowball offer. In general, I could care less about player salaries. Teams are almost always in a position where they have to pay guys for what they’ve already done. But it really sucks when you have to pay a player that’s not here anymore. If we’re paying $6.5 million, I’d rather Wimbley stay than go.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
So do NFL teams now have “Franchise Linebackers?” Unless we are talking about Chi or Balt. I don’t think so…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Turn into a pro-bowl player – his salary is indicative of an all-pro!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
So do NFL teams now have “Franchise Linebackers?” Unless we are talking about Chi or Balt. I don’t think so…
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Include Hou in that mix, those guys flat out ball…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Thec Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
So do NFL teams now have “Franchise Linebackers?” Unless we are talking about Chi or Balt. I don’t think so…
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Include Hou in that mix, those guys flat out ball…
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Hate to say this, but I keep it real.
The Whiners LB’s ball.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Thec
Yes *they* do while Ravens have a Franchise focus single player and so do Bears
March 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Yeah, right. Especially when said player has $80 million in the bank, with another $50 milion or so on the way. And to think he spit in the face of the team that gave it to him. It’s “about the money” for every player in the history of professional sports. Any player that says otherwise is lying through his teeth!
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He had 8 million in guaranteed money on his contract last year, but agreed to take 2.5 million from us. Clearly it isnt all about the money.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
In 2010 and against SD this year he is worth that kind of money as a sack specialist – otherwise I am not seeing the big deal here. He was very inconsistent against the run and kept the team on the field a few times with penalties.
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He did nada against gaither… He is getting top tier money, but is not a playing like it…
wimbley = check casher…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Hate to say this, but I keep it real.
The Whiners LB’s ball.
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Truth…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I still say we got Fooked in the Wimbley trade…the whole bonus year of his contract violating the 30% rule should have been disclosed before the trade.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm
10.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
For all of you “cap myth people” out there, it is being reported that Pittsburgh will not tag WR Wallace. Now I wonder why that is when he is really really good and valuable to team? It Couldn’t be that they are in worse cap shape than the Raiders? Naaa, I have heard it is just drama. It must be because the Steelers really don’t like him and are using the cap to get rid of him. Maybe they can have a seance and have Al show them how to make it work.
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Why would they franchise him and guarantee him 9.7 million in a cap strapped year, when they can slap a first round tender on him a guarantee him 2 million, or get compensated with a first rounder?? If he was a UFA and they felt it was necessary to keep him they could find a way to clear the cap space to tag him, but he is a restricted FA, and that just isn’t necessary
March 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
the 9ors whole D balls out…all players flying to the ball and laying the wood…
Foreign concept for mcclain….
March 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
it really sucks when you have to pay a player that’s not here anymore.
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@Debo
aren’t we still paying JaMarcus?
when does the “bidding war” begin for his services?
you know he can be signed any day now, right?
He doesn’t have to wait until FA opens in 2 weeks when he’ll have to compete with other QB’s for jobs…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Really? A burden? Like the famous words of Eddie Murphy…”Tells us something we don’t know mfer…”
March 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
In 2010 and against SD this year he is worth that kind of money as a sack specialist – otherwise I am not seeing the big deal here. He was very inconsistent against the run and kept the team on the field a few times with penalties
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I could have gotten 4 sacks against that Dombroski guy, he wasn’t even practice squad worthy.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
aren’t we still paying JaMarcus?
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That is definitely not true
March 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Foreign concept for mcclain….
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Thec,
when did you stop calling him McRussell?
March 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I could have gotten 4 sacks against that Dombroski guy, he wasn’t even practice squad worthy.
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which type of rusher are you, speed, bull or both???
March 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Peace out peoples! (I’m ghost)
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
Ya’ll me safe!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
*be
March 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Guy can’t cover, doesn’t stop the run and gets his sacks in about 2 games.
Do we really need this guy?
March 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
BCZ,
I’m pretty sure we still have “dead money” left over from Kenny Stabler’s contract…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Thec,
when did you stop calling him McRussell?
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Actually I stopped when he balled in the houston game…Takes a lot of heart to play on 1 wheeel…
He manned up once…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
But it really sucks when you have to pay a player that’s not here anymore. If we’re paying $6.5 million, I’d rather Wimbley stay than go.
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I agree that paying a player NOT to be here isn’t a very good business model, but for the production he has put on the table I would rather pay Wimbley 6.5 to leave than guarantee him 20+ million to stay.
He just needs to rework his deal to a reasonible #.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
ltr DMAC
March 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
wimbley was part of a D that kept us out of the playoffs… he can go…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Why would they franchise him and guarantee him 9.7 million in a cap strapped year, when they can slap a first round tender on him a guarantee him 2 million, or get compensated with a first rounder?? If he was a UFA and they felt it was necessary to keep him they could find a way to clear the cap space to tag him, but he is a restricted FA, and that just isn’t necessary
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Another team can create an offer sheet for a 1st and steal him away. I know there is no true poison pill anymore but a pick rich team like NE is probably drafting the offer sheet as we speak.
There is a real possibility that they will lose him.
See BSPN article:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7633206/pittsburgh-steelers-franchise-wr-mike-wallace-source-says
March 1st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Not only does he need to rework his deal, he also needs to rework his production….
March 1st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
the Snake hasn’t played for Oakland in 30 years, but we’re still paying him because Al Davis was too proud to hire a capologist like Duck, YA or BCZ.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
36.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
BCZ,
I’m pretty sure we still have “dead money” left over from Kenny Stabler’s contract…
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Nah dead money only applies the year a player is cut… like we cut routt this year, we have $5 million (or by some reports 11 million) in dead money for him this year, but then thats it, its off the books next year. dead money never carries over to the next fiscal year
March 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
the Snake hasn’t played for Oakland in 30 years, but we’re still paying him because Al Davis was too proud to hire a capologist like Duck, YA or BCZ.
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If we are still paying him, that is money well spent imo….
March 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Actually I stopped when he balled in the houston game…Takes a lot of heart to play on 1 wheeel…
He manned up once…
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Thec,
hey – JaMarcus balled against Houston once too!
Russell = McClain is fitting imo
March 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
The guy had one good game against a 3rd string tackle. Plus he only has one move.
Cut him.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Another team can create an offer sheet for a 1st and steal him away. I know there is no true poison pill anymore but a pick rich team like NE is probably drafting the offer sheet as we speak.
There is a real possibility that they will lose him.
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I just said that. The Steelers will be exstatic to get a first rounder for wallace. They drafted him in the 3rd or 4th round 3 years ago. His production isn’t worth 10 million to keep him when you can lock him up for 2 million OR get a first rounder
March 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
BCZ
This is not intended for you but Jerry and other people that contribute to this site think the cap makes no difference at all. You in the first sentance said it right “in a cap strapped year”
March 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Thec,
hey – JaMarcus balled against Houston once too!
Russell = McClain is fitting imo
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hahahahahahaha…..ROFLMAO…
not to mention they are both from bama…Not that bama is bad mind you, seems like these 2 are brain dead…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
dead money never carries over to the next fiscal year
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BCZ,
thats another thing from you i’ve never heard before
either you are making stuff up or you are SERIOUSLY educating me today
March 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Steve,
You and Jerry are good at posting things about 6 hours after they are everywhere else, and saying trite things like “the cap is a myth”. How about finding out hard facts like this about other contracts and posting them before ProFootballTalk.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
kinz Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Steve,
You and Jerry are good at posting things about 6 hours after they are everywhere else, and saying trite things like “the cap is a myth”. How about finding out hard facts like this about other contracts and posting them before ProFootballTalk.
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egg freakin zac lee
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
which type of rusher are you, speed, bull or both???
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I was a bull rusher in HS, I actually threw a fullback at a qb for a sack once. Not sure why the school we were playing had a 130lb kid playing fullback but thats where he lined up. I was definitely quick for my size though. I ran a 5.2 40 my junior year. I mean its not NFL or even NCAA quick, but there aint a hell of a lot 250lbers in hs running that quick.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
kinz Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Steve,
You and Jerry are good at posting things about 6 hours after they are everywhere else, and saying trite things like “the cap is a myth”. How about finding out hard facts like this about other contracts and posting them before ProFootballTalk.
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Post of the day….
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Bcz24
I guess I think Wallace is better than you think he is:
Mike Wallace
#17 WR
Pittsburgh Steelers
2011 STATS
Rec 72 Yds 1193 TD 8 Avg 16.6 Long 95 YAC 493
March 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
which type of rusher are you, speed, bull or both???
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I was a bull rusher in HS, I actually threw a fullback at a qb for a sack once. Not sure why the school we were playing had a 130lb kid playing fullback but thats where he lined up. I was definitely quick for my size though. I ran a 5.2 40 my junior year. I mean its not NFL or even NCAA quick, but there aint a hell of a lot 250lbers in hs running that quick.
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Yep, you would have sacked rivers no question…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
thats another thing from you i’ve never heard before
either you are making stuff up or you are SERIOUSLY educating me today
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I mean I don’t work in the league office or anything but from what I have always understood thats how it works.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Wimbley can put pressure on the QB, but $11 million buys an every down pro-bowler next year.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
We just need one uncapped year to cut all these fools!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
We just need one uncapped year to cut all these fools!
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we missed that boat with the 2010 season…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Dakota
I think 2010 was an uncapped year and a lot of our dead money and bad contract got corrected. However apparently Wimbley was pay it forward.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I am with you Dak, i would not keep a lot of th pats on the D…. The guys that are cheap maybe however, the check cashers fire them all…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Only play maker on the D was Gio…He and routt allways had a few mind melts that resulted in long TD scores…
However I will take Gio, he is a Raider…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Bcz24
I guess I think Wallace is better than you think he is:
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Don’t get me wrong, Wallace is a hell of a talent, but first of all his production dropped badly at the end of the year, I know some will blame Bens injury, but Antonio Browns production at year end was as good as Wallace’s early in the year. Another thing, they have a new OC in Haley that is going to do things differently, and their owner has said they want a more ball control power offense, and they want Ben scrambling around less. Less movement from ben means less time to get open on those 9 routes = reduced value for wallace.
To get a first round pick for that… pretty good compensation. Remember Pittsburg is not an organization that mortgages the future like we did in the past. They will take their lumps on loosing Wallace and get draft what they hope will be a quality starter with the pick
March 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
62.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Dakota
I think 2010 was an uncapped year and a lot of our dead money and bad contract got corrected. However apparently Wimbley was pay it forward.
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There was no fedeal estate tax in 2010 either. Al could have planned this much better for everyone!
Just kidding Al!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
We just need one uncapped year to cut all these fools!
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Dan Snyder did that in Washington in 2010… he now has close to 40 million in cap space.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:48 pm
dead money never carries over to the next fiscal year
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BCZ,
thats another thing from you i’ve never heard before
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I mean thats why you cut a guy, you take your lumps now and get out from the contract in future years.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Wimbley can put pressure on the QB, but $11 million buys an every down pro-bowler next year.
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JR,
I don’t look at it that way. I see it as we are WAY over the cap. We can shave $4.5 million by cutting Wimbley, an inconsistant overpaid player that refuses to restructure
do it now. find a replacement later
March 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Fellow Laker fans….this is scary stuff:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/shedding-light-jim-buss-role-laker-front-office-191904083.html
I hope the season ticket holders start making noise and get this ship back on course.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Fellow Laker fans….this is scary stuff:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/shedding-light-jim-buss-role-laker-front-office-191904083.html
I hope the season ticket holders start making noise and get this ship back on course.
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dumb you guys didnt get beasley…
March 1st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
1 NATION
March 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Rockstar,
I’m also suggesting to cut Wimbley. I’m just not that eloquent, that’s why I tried to write it out.
I guess that didn’t work either!
But seriously, the guy is way overpaid.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
27.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
it really sucks when you have to pay a player that’s not here anymore.
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@Debo
aren’t we still paying JaMarcus?
when does the “bidding war” begin for his services?
you know he can be signed any day now, right?
He doesn’t have to wait until FA opens in 2 weeks when he’ll have to compete with other QB’s for jobs…
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Kind of funny that you’ve got “bidding war” in quotes since you’re the guy wo coined it. And I’ll let you know when it starts. JR back in the NFL is gonna happen whether you like it or not. As far as his salary is concerned, we’re done paying his $40 million. And considering the blsht our screwed up organization put him through, he earned every dime!
March 1st, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I mean thats why you cut a guy, you take your lumps now and get out from the contract in future years.
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@BCZ
makes sense, but in that theory the only dead weight we’d have on the books right now is from Stan Routt – correct?
March 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Raiders could be in bad salary-cap spot
June, 24, 2011
By Bill Williamson
On one hand, Oakland Raiders’ owner Al Davis deserves credit for being proactive prior to the lockout and signing several players to extensions.
However, there were built-in risks. Davis committed a load of money to 2011 without knowing the salary-cap rules.
That’s why ESPN’s John Clayton ranked the Raiders as one of the teams in the worst position heading into free agency. Clayton ranked the Raiders third on his list as being in a bad spot prior to the start of free agency as far as the salary cap goes.
Here is Clayton’s reasoning: Davis was aggressive in re-signing eight players for contracts totaling $85.48 million. But if the cap is at $120 million, the Raiders may have issues. If new cap rules exclude some $26 million in “dead” money for players whose contracts were voided to make them free agents this year that would help. If accounting rules include the “dead” money, the Raiders would be $14.78 million over the cap and would have to cut some players. Their payroll of $103.2 million isn’t out of line, but the “dead” money issue could cause them problems if it isn’t cleared up.
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@BCZ
does this old article help us solve the issue?
or make it more cloudy?
March 1st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@BCZ
makes sense, but in that theory the only dead weight we’d have on the books right now is from Stan Routt – correct?
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Correct. Part of the reason I am questioning the PFT salary #s of 145 million
March 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I’ll let you know when it starts. JR back in the NFL is gonna happen whether you like it or not
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alright, Debo.
you have more confidence in JaWalrus that his own family, I think.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
48.bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Another team can create an offer sheet for a 1st and steal him away. I know there is no true poison pill anymore but a pick rich team like NE is probably drafting the offer sheet as we speak.
There is a real possibility that they will lose him.
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I just said that. The Steelers will be exstatic to get a first rounder for wallace. They drafted him in the 3rd or 4th round 3 years ago. His production isn’t worth 10 million to keep him when you can lock him up for 2 million OR get a first rounder
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The Steelers will not be “ecstatic” to receive basically a 2nd rounder from Baltimore or New England for Wallace.
March 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DMAC Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
it’s conceivable that Wimbley will hold firm, force the Raiders to release him, hit free agency and cash in on another mega deal.
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I’m not sure he’ll get a mega deal elsewhere Corky.
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He doesn’t need to. All he needs is a team to sign him for more than 5.5 mill guaranteed, and he is money ahead… at least for this year. He could get that easily on the open market.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:00 pm
?? isnt Bart Scott from the Jets a F.A.
do you think he is worth a look ??
March 1st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
78.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I’ll let you know when it starts. JR back in the NFL is gonna happen whether you like it or not
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alright, Debo.
you have more confidence in JaWalrus that his own family, I think.
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Uh, thanks, I think. Did I miss something about JR’s family not having confidence in him?
March 1st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Debo has more confidence in JaMeatball then JaMeatball has in himself !!!
March 1st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The Steelers will not be “ecstatic” to receive basically a 2nd rounder from Baltimore or New England for Wallace.
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Yeah, sorry dude you think Jamarcus ‘earned’ 40 million dollars. Your opinion on anything related to football means about as much to me as a cloudy day in Japan.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
84.bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The Steelers will not be “ecstatic” to receive basically a 2nd rounder from Baltimore or New England for Wallace.
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Yeah, sorry dude you think Jamarcus ‘earned’ 40 million dollars. Your opinion on anything related to football means about as much to me as a cloudy day in Japan.
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You’re entitled to your opinion. I just think you should think before you say stupid things. A 2nd-round pick isn’t worth making your team weaker while at the same time making one of your chief rivals stronger.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
that would be a stud move if the Pats acquired Wallace from the Squeelers.
I wonder how much “dead money” they would have to absorb in order to dump OchoCinco – the original diva
March 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Well its a good thing they would get a 1st round pick then isn’t it. And before you call me stupid, make sure you understand the rules of the tender offer genius, the Steelers have the right of first refusal. If NE or Balt offers Wallace a deal, and Pit isn’t happy with the pick (the FIRST ROUND pick… not second) Pit just has to match the offer…
Thank you come again
March 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Wallace to Balt ???
the Ravens already have Torrey Smith & Anquan Boldin.
would they move Smith to slot receiver, I guess?
he was a pretty solid deep threat!
March 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I wonder how much “dead money” they would have to absorb in order to dump OchoCinco – the original diva
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A little over 3 million
March 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
that would be a stud move if the Pats acquired Wallace from the Squeelers.
I wonder how much “dead money” they would have to absorb in order to dump OchoCinco – the original diva
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Ocho signed a three year $11.5M contract with the Pats…
March 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I still say we got Fooked in the Wimbley trade…the whole bonus year of his contract violating the 30% rule should have been disclosed before the trade.
if that was from a existing contract i think its b.s. that the Raiders were held accountable for it. if it was a contract drawn up by the Raiders, then someone in the negotiating teams head should have rolled. That is just plain stupid leading to another ridiculous contract. I firmly believe Davis knew his days were numbered and was willing to do whatever he could to see the silver & black in the postseason again.
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Jruss was a pos during his time in Oak. and should be banned from ever being mentioned here. He singlehandedly sabotosed the franchise for at least three years, given he played even as well as Campbell, Oakland would probably be 11 mill under the cap.
Even though Wimbley underachieved, by the standards he set in 10, if he’s cut it was still money better spent than Russell’s results.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
The sign of a small man is someone who refuses to admit he made a mistake.
Right Debo?
You looked stupid back then when JR was still on team.
You looked petty after he left, making excuses for him.
Now you just look pathetic.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_nation_station
March 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Another .03 cents!
March 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Well, Dakota …
Chaz found Goudelock, lol.
And didn’t Buss Jr draft Bynum?
Not bad, so far.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
87.bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Well its a good thing they would get a 1st round pick then isn’t it. And before you call me stupid, make sure you understand the rules of the tender offer genius, the Steelers have the right of first refusal. If NE or Balt offers Wallace a deal, and Pit isn’t happy with the pick (the FIRST ROUND pick… not second) Pit just has to match the offer…
Thank you come again.
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You always seem to come up one step short Einstein. Suppose Baltimore offers him $11 million in in the 1st year? Wouldn’t it make more sense to pay the $9 million franchise tag and keep him? Stick to writing racist manifestos, you don’t know sht about the NFL.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Do you think the Fairey-Niners would be interested in Wallace. 95.7 said they are thinking WR in first round? Makes more sense for Pit?
March 1st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
kvnbntly Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
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Jruss was a pos during his time in Oak. and should be banned from ever being mentioned here. He singlehandedly sabotosed the franchise for at least three years, given he played even as well as Campbell, Oakland would probably be 11 mill under the cap.
Even though Wimbley underachieved, by the standards he set in 10, if he’s cut it was still money better spent than Russell’s results.
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JRuss?
Don’t you mean Al?
Jruss was a lazy blob, and everyone knew it.
Al refused to listen to Lance.
Signed him, then coddled him, like a fool.
Hamstrung the HC who should have been kicking JR in the azz.
Instead JR got fatter, lazier, and slower.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Ocho signed a three year $11.5M contract with the Pats…
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Like $4.7 million of that is roster bonus, which doesnt become guaranteed until a certain day 1.6 per year each of the next 2 years, 4.75 was a signing bonus that would be guaranteed (hence the 3 mill cap hit this year if he were cut)
March 1st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
We will FOR SURE have a new starting CB, LB, and DT next year.
Getting a little anxious to see who we pick up March 14th.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Sadly many FA’s want to play across the bay.
Executive of the year in Balke.
Coach of the year in Harbaugh.
Kick azz D.
one play away from the SB.
What’s not to like?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_nation_station
March 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I still say we got Fooked in the Wimbley trade…the whole bonus year of his contract violating the 30% rule should have been disclosed before the trade.
if that was from a existing contract i think its b.s. that the Raiders were held accountable for it. if it was a contract drawn up by the Raiders, then someone in the negotiating teams head should have rolled. That is just plain stupid leading to another ridiculous contract. I firmly believe Davis knew his days were numbered and was willing to do whatever he could to see the silver & black in the postseason again.
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Jruss was a pos during his time in Oak. and should be banned from ever being mentioned here. He singlehandedly sabotosed the franchise for at least three years, given he played even as well as Campbell, Oakland would probably be 11 mill under the cap.
Even though Wimbley underachieved, by the standards he set in 10, if he’s cut it was still money better spent than Russell’s results.
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Set the franchise back 3 years??? What a crock of sht!!! Please explain to me how JR “set the franchise back”.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Debo-you still have Russell’s poster on your wall, don’t you?
Don’t you think it’s time for a change?
March 1st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Ocho signed a three year $11.5M contract with the Pats…
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Like $4.7 million of that is roster bonus, which doesnt become guaranteed until a certain day 1.6 per year each of the next 2 years, 4.75 was a signing bonus that would be guaranteed (hence the 3 mill cap hit this year if he were cut)
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Sorry, I defer to you. I just knew the re-do contract number the Pats worked out and posted it before I saw your answer.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_nation_station
Come.
Come to the dark side.
Leave this cross posting hacked jacked, and weak smacked board.
This board sucks with it’s petty group of tools who don’t know football from foosball.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:24 pm
JR set the franchise back because 1) he sucked and 2) he didn’t put in the work to get better.
A worthless #1 draft pick who got the big fat check and then checked out.
Lazy Jabastard wasn’t worth a darn and I was pissed when we drafted his sorry behind. We couldn’t have gotten out of that mess quick enough in my opinion.
He’ll never step foot on another NFL field for the rest of his life.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
You always seem to come up one step short Einstein. Suppose Baltimore offers him $11 million in in the 1st year? Wouldn’t it make more sense to pay the $9 million franchise tag and keep him? Stick to writing racist manifestos, you don’t know sht about the NFL.
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I would still love to see this ‘racist manifesto’ you accuse me of posting…
You are the ONLY person who thinks I am racist.
Oh and nice try buddy, the Ravens only have 6.5 mill in cap space, and they have their own FA’s to sign, AND a draft class to fit into the cap, AND they have a starting QB looking for a new deal now because he will be a free agent next year. They wont be pricing the Steelers out of the Wallace sweepstakes anytime soon.
Sure, there are teams who could, the bengals, the bucs… they would also compensate the steelers with a mid round first round pick. WELL worth it
March 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
102.RAIDER WEAPON X http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_nation_station Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Debo-you still have Russell’s poster on your wall, don’t you?
Don’t you think it’s time for a change?
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Just as soon as he signs with a new team. I’d hate to have to put a Denver Bronco on my wall. Oh well.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I don’t think ANYONE has russells fathead on there wall anymore.
I must admit I bought my son one way back though. Lol
March 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Do you think the Fairey-Niners would be interested in Wallace. 95.7 said they are thinking WR in first round? Makes more sense for Pit?
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If the whiners add Wallace, just hand them the Lombardi.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Sorry, I defer to you. I just knew the re-do contract number the Pats worked out and posted it before I saw your answer.
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I wasn’t contradicting you, moreso explaining how that contract broke down.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Never say never jayhawk. But ur correct he flamed out quick
March 1st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
The worlds only Jamarshmallow Russell supporter tells me I don’t know sh1t about football… LoL
March 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
106.bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
You always seem to come up one step short Einstein. Suppose Baltimore offers him $11 million in in the 1st year? Wouldn’t it make more sense to pay the $9 million franchise tag and keep him? Stick to writing racist manifestos, you don’t know sht about the NFL.
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I would still love to see this ‘racist manifesto’ you accuse me of posting…
You are the ONLY person who thinks I am racist.
Oh and nice try buddy, the Ravens only have 6.5 mill in cap space, and they have their own FA’s to sign, AND a draft class to fit into the cap, AND they have a starting QB looking for a new deal now because he will be a free agent next year. They wont be pricing the Steelers out of the Wallace sweepstakes anytime soon.
Sure, there are teams who could, the bengals, the bucs… they would also compensate the steelers with a mid round first round pick. WELL worth it
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Since you’ve got it hung up in your study with all your Nazi memoribilia, I’m sure you’ve got it on a hard drive someplace. Just repost it. As far as the Ravens are concerned, they’ve got $6 million in space today. If they want Wallace, they’ll make it happen.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I will proudly stand up and say I am CONFIDENT Jamarcus Russell will never start another NFL game. He was a bum when he was in the league, now he has missed TWO full seasons… there is a better chance of Brett Favre starting another NFL game than Jameatball
March 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Sorry, I defer to you. I just knew the re-do contract number the Pats worked out and posted it before I saw your answer.
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I wasn’t contradicting you, moreso explaining how that contract broke down.
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Cool and appreciate it.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
94.J Hill Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Well, Dakota …
Chaz found Goudelock, lol.
And didn’t Buss Jr draft Bynum?
Not bad, so far.
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Did Chaz find him? I thought the old staff was still in place prior to the last Draft….
March 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
Raiders have informed S Tyvon Branch he will be franchised. #insideslant
March 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Jason La Canfora
Raiders have informed S Tyvon Branch he will be franchised. #insideslant
just now from Twitter for BlackBerry®
March 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Al was shrewd in dealing with the city of Oakland and the Coliseum Commission, but other than that he was a heck of a bad businessman over the last few decades.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I will proudly stand up and say I am CONFIDENT Jamarcus Russell will never start another NFL game. He was a bum when he was in the league, now he has missed TWO full seasons… there is a better chance of Brett Favre starting another NFL game than Jameatball
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lol bcz that’s funny. U are probably 90% correct. But some desperate team in the NFL
would prolly give him a camp shot
March 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
JR back in the NFL is gonna happen whether you like it or not.
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Really? Then how come nobody’s signed or even worked him out yet? Remember that street free agents can be signed anytime, just like we did with Underwood.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
here come the wannabe republicans i mean raider fans….” cut him…cut (insert any name), cut everyone…”
March 1st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora reports the Raiders have informed free agent SS Tyvon Branch that he will receive the franchise tag.
Source: Jason LaCanfora on Twitter
March 1st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Wake up Stevie…..
March 1st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Tyvon Branch.
Couldnt let that guy get away. at all.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Cut Wimbley if he refuses.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Bring back Chris Carr. NOW.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
didnt take long…
March 1st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
The word on him must be really really bad to only have one of 32 teams ever give you a shot an u were the first pck in the draft. Worst than leaf. At least he got a couple more shots bfore it was all said an done. JRussell! LMFAO
March 1st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Corky’s on the ball, right? McKenzie is talking with McKenzie’s agent.
Where’s his proofreader? out to lunch with Corky.
Why would the Raiders and RegMac want to keep Wimbley?
This loser is good for one game a year, at that cost
don’t even bother to restructure, cut him asap.
Gets another “mega” deal, not likely, only in Corky’s fantasies.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I just got my season tickets for the 2012 season. The Raiders have dropped the prices at most sections. The section where I’ve paid $86 for a seat before is now just $46 a game for the season ticket holders. AT the other end, I believe the Whiners are going to piss off many season ticket holders with their SBLs of around 20K and I believe a section that costs $129 today will be $325. Wow, I see blackouts for the Whiners in a couple of years.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@Debo
JaMarcus could sign with the Donkeys?
Interesting. John Fox did say that he’s looking for 2 more QB’s and obviously free agent Brady Quinn isn’t one of them.
Russell & Boller to back up Tim Tebow in 2012!
McCown & Culpepper are both still available though. could be a tough competition, LOL
March 1st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
JR back in the NFL is gonna happen whether you like it or not.
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Really? Then how come nobody’s signed or even worked him out yet?
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Russell is already back in the league. Wasn’t that Russell with two other oafs on the sideline with New Orleans moving the JUGS machine around?
March 1st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Don’t forget to include cap penalties in your calculations.
Tyvon Branch? Franchise Tag? Hunh?
Guess its bye bye Bush.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Not surprising that Corky wouldn’t get the Tyvon story, LaCanfora would beat him blindfolded any day of the week.
Cut Corky, asap.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
The Ravens reportedly plan to release WR Lee Evans and CB Domonique Foxworth
March 1st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
107-you are safe,nobody will ever sign that fat waste of human skin and bones.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
118.RaiderDuck Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Jason La Canfora
Raiders have informed S Tyvon Branch he will be franchised. #insideslant
just now from Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Good move. Keep him around one year to see if the new coaching staff can make him worth a long-term contract. Keep the defense from having another hole to fill. Still think it is too much for the guy, but we can’t replace everyone on defense in one year, and he is young enough to give him another shot.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Tyvon Branch is a very solid player. Very solid. But is no Troy P.
Has the potential though not quite there yet. Worth giving an extension to.
Prolly more so than any other player on d that received all that brinx truck money.
Pro bowl potential definately!!
Get a deal done RM. No francise tag is needed. Drafted in fourth round and has come along well. He’s due decent money but nothing overblown or news worthy.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Russell sign with a team and start an NFL game? Bwahahahahahaha!!!
March 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Branch is still young….dude just turned 25 a couple of months ago!
March 1st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Mr. Wimbley only has 6.5 points of leverage; Mr. McKenzie has 120 points of leverage.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Russell’s Plans Oct 2011…
Why did Russell dismiss offers from teams in the UFL and the Canadian league? “Name one kid in the world who says, ‘I can’t wait to play in the CFL!’ That s— don’t work.” How’s he going to get back into shape? “I’m going to work out at LSU in the spring, take classes and hopefully get [invited] to a camp this summer… . Also, I’m building a 50-yard turf field on my property.” What about the sleep apnea? “I got it under control, man.” Does he have regrets? “I live life without regret. I can wish it had gone different. But my momma told me as long as I’m living and breathing, I got nothing to complain about.”
March 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
My sources around the league tell me a few front offices want to bring Jamarcus in for a workout, but just for amusement’s sake. Just to see which cosby sweater he will wear and what % of body fat he is up to. They have pools on that number.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
R8eray Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Branch is still young….dude just turned 25 a couple of months ago!
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yea an the potential is there. Not ready for a bank flood payment day yet though bruh.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
If they can’t get a long term deal done with Branch and have to franchise him, that might just be the nail in the coffin for Wimbley. With Seymour, McClain and Kelly, too many high priced guys on that side of the line.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Jason La Canfora
Raiders have informed S Tyvon Branch he will be franchised. #insideslant
just now from Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Congrats to the Branch supporters.
We just made him a Top 5 NFL safety (after he agrees to a long term deal)
March 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
132.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@Debo
JaMarcus could sign with the Donkeys?
Interesting. John Fox did say that he’s looking for 2 more QB’s and obviously free agent Brady Quinn isn’t one of them.
Russell & Boller to back up Tim Tebow in 2012!
McCown & Culpepper are both still available though. could be a tough competition, LOL
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The redneck fans in Denver would probably never let hit happen. But if JR wants to come back, his agent should have Elway on speed dial.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
March 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
We’ll get a long term deal worked out with Branch.
He improved A LOT last year.
Wonder what this does for Huff’s chances of returning?
Huff is the ultimate Raider soldier though. I’d be shocked if he didn’t restructure.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I wonder if this portends a move by Branch to FS, with Mitchell taking over at SS and Underwood backing them both up?
March 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Just tell Huff that if he restructures we will bring his drinking buddy Vince Young in for a tryout….and a wonderlic test.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Huff is the ultimate Raider soldier though. I’d be shocked if he didn’t restructure.
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I thought Huff just signed a new deal last year.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Not one defensive player made a big enough play or put the team on there back in that last SD game to say f’k that we goin to win this game an make the playoffs. Not a ONE. That’s y my take on tyvon is what it is. Keep him get him sone decent money. An then he can go on an prove he should have been paid more.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
So let’s try this on:
FS: Branch
SS: Mitchell
Backup S: Underwood
LCB: Porter/Carr/FA-to-be-named
RCB: Huff
Slot CB: Chekwa and/or DVD
March 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Huff at CB?
McKenzie is smarter than that.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Just tell Huff that if he restructures we will bring his drinking buddy Vince Young in for a tryout….and a wonderlic test.
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BFF’s on Twitter!!
March 1st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I’m ready to see Branch at FS.
I like the fact that he turned himself into a film room junkie.
I’m guessing I’m still in the minority with me thinking that Huff can play corner for us. Especially since we won’t be playing nearly as much island man.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Dakota Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Huff at CB?
McKenzie is smarter than that.
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Remember that we’re running zone defenses now, where pure speed at CB isn’t as important.
March 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You people in here are so freaking laughable it’s beyond ridiculous. You think finding players is easy as if ONLY the RAIDERS are looking for them. You think cutting everyone is the answer. There are 31 other teams bidding for their services which affects the price tag.
What makes you guys think good or great players are going to come here JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO!!!
Great players demand large contracts whether y’all realize it or not. ANYONE better than Wimbley is probably LOCKED UP!! Not to mention the contracts they will command.
You cannot just cut players with NO ONE to replace them with and just say “get someone else” WHOOO??? Players of Wimbleys talents aren’t walking the streets or else we would HAVE THEM and he would already be CUUTTT!! Get a freaking clue PLEASE!!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I’m not feeling Mitchell as a starter.
We need to draft another S in rd 4 (comp pick).
March 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Boy, when our D has to remove Huff from the field it will be quite a tell to the offense that we are about to play man to man lol.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
My man Priest is in the house!
Ima sit back and watch the ole vet school y’all.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
If I was Wimbley, I wouldn’t restructure. I’d take my 6.5 million dollar severence package and sign another big contract somewhere else. He will get it. Everyone says, “It’s a business” when the owners and GMs dump a guy from the roster. That, my friends, is a two way street. Cha-ching!!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Special Day!
Welcome back Priest!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
159.priesttj Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You people in here are so freaking laughable it’s beyond ridiculous. You think finding players is easy as if ONLY the RAIDERS are looking for them. You think cutting everyone is the answer. There are 31 other teams bidding for their services which affects the price tag.
What makes you guys think good or great players are going to come here JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO!!!
Great players demand large contracts whether y’all realize it or not. ANYONE better than Wimbley is probably LOCKED UP!! Not to mention the contracts they will command.
You cannot just cut players with NO ONE to replace them with and just say “get someone else” WHOOO??? Players of Wimbleys talents aren’t walking the streets or else we would HAVE THEM and he would already be CUUTTT!! Get a freaking clue PLEASE!!
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So Priest, first nice to see you back!
Next, are you crazy? Wimbley is a limited one-dimensional player about to lock in a guaranteed $30 million over the next three years if we don’t cut him soon, and he has been unwilling to renegotiate….if he will not change that bad contract, then of course he will be cut.
Ahhhh it is nice to have Priest back!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
159.priesttj Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You people in here are so freaking laughable it’s beyond ridiculous. You think finding players is easy as if ONLY the RAIDERS are looking for them. You think cutting everyone is the answer. There are 31 other teams bidding for their services which affects the price tag.
What makes you guys think good or great players are going to come here JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO!!!
Great players demand large contracts whether y’all realize it or not. ANYONE better than Wimbley is probably LOCKED UP!! Not to mention the contracts they will command.
You cannot just cut players with NO ONE to replace them with and just say “get someone else” WHOOO??? Players of Wimbleys talents aren’t walking the streets or else we would HAVE THEM and he would already be CUUTTT!! Get a freaking clue PLEASE!!
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Post of the day.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
PRIEST
WHATS man good to have you back.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
ANYONE better than Wimbley is probably LOCKED UP!! Not to mention the contracts they will command.
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Well, I think you need to direct some of this to the GM. There are some obvious talents that Wimbley brings to the team, but that’s not the question. It’simply about the “out of whack” contract, in the GMs opinion.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
81.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:00 pm
?? isnt Bart Scott from the Jets a F.A.
do you think he is worth a look ??
I heard he wants to go back to Baltimore
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Maybe we need to replace Reggie McKenzie with the geniuses in here since they see it as so easy to fix. Yeah that’s right maybe Mck has passed his prime like the old man. Let some of you guys run the team and cut everybody and start over with highschool kids we don’t have to pay……sure!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Jhill
what’s up bro. How’s that socal weather?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
159.priesttj Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You people in here are so freaking laughable it’s beyond ridiculous. You think finding players is easy as if ONLY the RAIDERS are looking for them. You think cutting everyone is the answer. There are 31 other teams bidding for their services which affects the price tag.
What makes you guys think good or great players are going to come here JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO!!!
Great players demand large contracts whether y’all realize it or not. ANYONE better than Wimbley is probably LOCKED UP!! Not to mention the contracts they will command.
You cannot just cut players with NO ONE to replace them with and just say “get someone else” WHOOO??? Players of Wimbleys talents aren’t walking the streets or else we would HAVE THEM and he would already be CUUTTT!! Get a freaking clue PLEASE!!
Priest…welcome back!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Priest why you trippin bro. Wimbleys contract does need to be re done.
An if he chooses not to then that’s on him. Do you not agree?
March 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Wembley had 7 sacks last year and Jared Allen had 22. 4 of Wenbley’s sacks came against underperforming SD is the first game. Allen’s salary was as follows:
base pay signing bonus
8,979,438 2,583,333 – 11,562,771
Wenbley’s sack production was 1/3rd of Allen’s yet at the same rate of pay. If you subtract the 4 sacks Wembley made against SD playing with a horrific defense, Wembley’s sack production was 1/7th of Allen’s. Also, in the last five games Wembley did little although he did make an interception.
March 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Priesttj,myself and Pete Franklin welcome you back,RAIDERS!!!!!
March 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
If that’s correct then not only will the yet to be paid 4.5 million be guaranteed on March 17, but also 11 million in 2013 and 2 more in 2014 if he’s still on the roster March 17th this year?
If so, Wimbley is gone. I dont think he really wants to be a Raider anyway. He forced Al’s hand and now he’ll force McKenzie’s. I’d be shocked if he agreed to a restructure with less guaranteed money. Instead he’ll take our 6.5 million and then go take money from another team. With some teams way below the minimum cap that starts in 2013, he’ll find a new sucker.
March 1st, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Yeah how about that delusional senile Al now. Seriously? $29 million due by 2013 guaranteed? Even $6.5 million on top of his salary for 2011 is a joke. No wonder he loves being a Raider. Seymour and his contract are a joke. Dang it could take 3-5 years for McKenzie to clean up Al’s mess. Al screwed this team good. Jamarcus anyone? D. Hall? Seymour? Routt? C’mon man!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:50 pm
How in the world a contract like Wimbley’s gets signed? This proves AD had lost his touch w reality. All world LB Willis gets $10m per year and then AD gives more to Wimbley.
I like Wimbley but he’s no Willis. He should get $5M per year.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Joker94583 Says:
March 1st, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Yeah how about that delusional senile Al now. Seriously? $29 million due by 2013 guaranteed? Even $6.5 million on top of his salary for 2011 is a joke. No wonder he loves being a Raider. Seymour and his contract are a joke. Dang it could take 3-5 years for McKenzie to clean up Al’s mess. Al screwed this team good. Jamarcus anyone? D. Hall? Seymour? Routt? C’mon man!
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Don’t forget Javon Walker. Another AD masterpiece signing.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Wimbley is good and improving and has potential to be great, but way overpaid. At the right price I’d love to have him back but Al paid guys on potential. Aside from money issues, there is the anti-motivator effect, for the team and the player, when players get big paydays before they earn them. The consistent NFL teams have their player salary budget priorities straight.
The last time we won was when Gruden convinced vets to sign at bargain rates and picked the right players.
The cap is an accounting issue and it’s true that it can be mitigated but it is a real issue. Sure, the accounting department can make things more palatable but when we have these huge long term guaranteed contracts that Al gave out it is a hinderance to building the team we need to do better than 8-8. Jerry says you can endlessly redo the contracts to get under the cap, and you can, but you end up dragging the contracts out longer and you often end up where we’re at.
Wimbley is inconsistent and does disappear at times but he is a great athlete, 28 years old, still improving with only 2 years as a 4-3 LB with pass coverage responsibilities, has done well at times setting the edge on runs and has made some big plays in pass defense while he’s learning there, obviously can blitz, and seems like a smart guy with his head screwed on straight. I’ll bet the new coaches would love to work with him. If he wants to stay he’ll compromise on the money, if not he can take the 11.2 million guaranteed and sign for what he’s worth with another team. I would think he’s worth about 5 million a year, but if Routt got 6.5 million maybe Wimbley will get 8. We need to decide what he’s worth to us, and if he agrees to cut pay to something near what he’s worth then we save the 11.2 million guarantee and bring him back. Otherwise, goodbye and good luck Only all pros should get 10.5 million a year
As far as Joe Barksdale playing LG, he didn’t look comfortable there last year when they tried him (albeit without much preparation). He looks like a tackle to me. So does Campbell. However, in zone blocking scheme they could work out at guard. I have some question whether Barksdale will be a good fit for zone blocking scheme. He looked like a good tackle prospect in last year’s blocking scheme