Raiders coach Allen with Saints during ‘bounty’ scandal
By Steve Corkran
Friday, March 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
There is nothing to suggest that new Raiders head coach Dennis Allen was aware of or had anything to do with the New Orleans Saints “bounty” program when he was the Saints’ defensive backs coach. Yet, he is going to be linked to the issue, if for no other reason than by association.
The NFL on Friday released the results from an invesitigation that found that 22-27 players, as well as former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, participated in a bounty program in which players were rewarded for injuring opposing players.
Four former Washington Redskins players reportedly said Williams implemented a similar program when he was their defensive coordinator.
Allen spent five seasons with the Saints. He was their assistant defensive line coach in 2006-07 and then coached the defensive backs from 2008-10. The transgressions took place the past three seasons, according to the NFL’s findings. Allen was the Denver Broncos defensive coordinator in 2011.
The NFL’s findings implicated Saints owner Tom Benson, general manager Mickey Loomis and coach Sean Payton as being aware of the program. At one point, Benson directed Loomis to end the program.
Williams left the Saints after the 2011 season and signed with the St. Louis Rams. On Friday, he issued the following statement:
“I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay-for-performance’ program while I was with the Saints,” Williams said. “It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.”
It’s difficult to imagine Allen being unaware of the bounty program, given the scope of the players implicated and the fact the owner, coach and defensive coordinator knew about the so-called pay-for-performance program.
Just the same, Allen deserves the benefit of the doubt and a chance to speak to the matter. He has not spoken publicly on the issue as of yet. A Raiders official said the team won’t comment on the matter, when contacted about getting a statement from Allen.
The NFL’s findings showed that players contributed money to the program and were paid in one of two forms based on their performance from the previous game.
For instance, players allegedly were paid $1,000 for causing an opposing player to be carted off the field and $1,500 for knocking a player out of a game.
Naturally, that kind of revelation doesn’t sit well with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
“It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated,” Goodell said in a statement. “We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent. We have more work to do and we will do it.”
In my more than 16 years covering the Raiders, never once have I heard of the Raiders participating in a bounty program or even talking about going after a player in the vain the Saints did the past three seasons.
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March 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
It’s All Good.
That is the new Raider slogan for 2012, replacing Code Black.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Even if Allen were aware of it: What could he, as a mere position coach, realistically do?
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Best thing that could happen for the Raiders is if Bush, Campbell and Routt are productive starters for their new teams.
Three compensation picks right there, and the better they play the better the picks.
Add that to a 2013 draft where (so far) we have all but one pick and it looks pretty good.
Do I think it will happen? Not likely. All three are ok players, but I don’t see any of them lighting it up. It would be nice if they all had career years, though.
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Allen could get suspended for some games depending on his involvement. Or not
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It’s all good Allen probably knew about it, but what can he do being a position coach?
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It’s all good Allen probably knew about it, but what can he do being a position coach?
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Exactly. He could technically have reported it to the league office, but he would have been blackballed from the NFL coaching ranks, Eric Mangini-style.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Code black
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It’s all good Allen probably knew about it, but what can he do being a position coach?
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Exactly. He could technically have reported it to the league office, but he would have been blackballed from the NFL coaching ranks, Eric Mangini-style.
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That’s true n it probably goes on everywhere ..saints are the only team to get caught so far look for more coaches and teams to be named soon
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I just keep thinking about the game against Bret Farve where they kept hitting him after the whistle.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I doubt position coaches will feel the rath, but this is great for us since we play the Saints this year! Hopefully the suspend players and coaches when we play them.
Just Win Baby!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Begs the question will our new HC Reggie bought with his gut is going to get sanctioned or suspended?
Can they punish his new team by punishing him?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:25 pm
8. Redskins already too
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
#10 , the league will probably end their suspensions just before their Raider game just like they did with Suh.
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
This is pathetic bullsh!t. It’s this kind of crap that keeps Players taking cheap shots whenever they get the chance.
When Players are at their most vulnerable, those who violently “poster-ize” — or try to inflict unreasonable damage on — said Players are pure scum. They are even bigger scumbags to take bounties for it.
Little doubt in my mind that D.A. knew about the program, but I’ll give him the benefit of that doubt for now. I hope he wasn’t deeply involved (as in keeping tabs on money, or otherwise “running” the stupid thing).
This I know…he didn’t have to turn-in anybody, or violate anyone’s ridiculous code, but D.A. could’ve easily shut-down the bounties…simply by telling his superiors that it needed to just go away. Nobody would’ve bucked, because they all knew it was wrong already. If he didn’t stop it, D.A. should’ve done something to try.
The code that was truly violated was the one where Players should be looking out for other Players at all times. Great, hard, bone-crushing hits are part of what makes the NFL a great sport…but cheap shots take away from the game, and shorten Players’ livelihoods.
Fock cheap-shot artists…and the coaches that push anything that promotes injuring another on the field!
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 pm
That secondary was pretty vicious from what I remember to, the first year Farve was there i can remember Percy Harvin gettin beat up pretty good
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Raider Nation-Station on FB:
Saints paid bounties to their D for knocking players out of games or ending seasons. Paid them off the books in clear violation of cap rules. Big Big Big trouble. Our new HC Dennis Allen was Coaching on the Saints D during the time the bounty program was in effect in New Orleans…
Unsure if anything will surface implicating him and how that might effect US. Thats how it could affect us.
Sam Farmer of the LA Times: “Talked to Ronnie Lott, who spoke to Saints before 2009 NFC title game. Said unaware of bounties but reiterated they’re commonplace in NFL.”
This thing could get League wide ugly real real quick…
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
I wonder how many bounty programs there were that arent known by the public. Probably quite a few. The media is going to love this.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I hope goodell comes down really hard on the suits because i hate those guys. While I would never support hurting a player, I am stoked when someone gets knocked out of a game (Adrian Peterson) to help us win…and I am a fan. No way players, with a lot of disposable income, don’t feel the same way as I do when a player goes down. I remember in 02 whe we were playing the broncos and Shannon sharpe went down and went down hard. The whole stadium was cheering…me too.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
The saints not the suits…autocorrect…booo
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Williams is currently with the Rams not the Titans.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
#10 , the league will probably end their suspensions just before their Raider game just like they did with Suh.
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Yeah I was kind suspicious when I realized when Suh would return.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Didn’t SeanPayton get his knee tore up standing on the sidelines? Cosmic justice for that piece of trash.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Maybe Allen should implement a bounty system in Oakland. Our defense might actually perform. I love how the talking heads on ESPN (Elitist Socialist Political Network) are acting so shocked and apalled by this. Hell when I played high school football our coaches rewarded us for taking out opposing players and that was in the 1980’s. It wasn’t cash but it was free HiC drinks and pizzas and less laps but still. Goodell is gonna bring the heavens down on N.O. Maybe Brees is lucky his contract talks have stalled.
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I’m down with ” Code Black” especially with sirens and flashing lights!
No offense but ” It’s All Good” is just too generic and doesn’t really promote excitement.
Code Black is the rallying call for all things Raider in 2012!
March 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Well, if Huffington Post is to be believed, the Redskins were also involved in the bounty money.
Not a great source, I know.
Speculation is that more teams will be on the list soon.
I know its wrong, but I would have given Seymour a few bucks for that punch he gave the opposition QB in a recent past season.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
How about “It’s all Code Black”?
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
So how can they really punish the team now? What, take away a few picks? Fine the team and a few higher-ups what they probably earn in a couple of weeks of work? They still have their rings.
This reminds me of Tony Fatso from Baltimore pancaking Gannon and our chances in that game to get the the Super Bowl. He got fined $50,000.00 I think. Small price to pay all things considered.
if the Washington thing is in fact true, then how can anything short of a season or two of a suspension for Williams has got to seem absurd. And what of all the players ponying up and collecting payment? Unless guys really get slapped with playing time or something along those lines, it’s all just lip service.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Hey fans like ourselves could collect and put bounty money out there for our players to compete for. As long its fan based, it can’t negatively effect the organizations. Not sure regular Joe fans are gonna be able to raise enough dough to entice todays millionaire athaletes but it would work! We could put a bounty out on say Tebow an then sit back and let our fellas go out there and earn the bonuses!
Goodell would be powerless to do anything about it!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
No its “Code Black!” Or nothing! Ha ha, with the sirens blaring and the lights flashing!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
That’s what I’m talkin about Q! Us fans can pony up the bounty money and Sherriff Goodell would be powerless to do anything about it!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Darren Sharper says he never contributed to the pot of money and that the program never existed; that is was money paid out to guys who made exceptional plays, yet his own DC apologizes for it and admits it went on.
Interesting he’s man enuff to try and injure a player but not man enuff to own up to it.
Watch as everyone scrambles to protect their legacy.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
None of us are mega rich but I got $10 and you got $10 and another fan has $10….. Before you know it we got big bounty pools to get it done! Who else is in? Let’s start our own “Raiders Bounty Pool”
In case I’ve offended any out there, I’m just kidding! …… Kinda……
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
My daughter Emma D., who’s a huge Raiders fan wants to say Hi to all you Raiders Fans out there!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
And , she’s not available for dates. Oh Hell no! I’ve heard enough from most of you to know that I don’t want my daughter anywhere near any of you, especially Sully with his fondness of cousins!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
33.arkraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
My daughter Emma D., who’s a huge Raiders fan wants to say Hi to all you Raiders Fans out there!
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Tell your daughter “hi” back at her.
You sure you want to raise her as a Raider fan? It’s not an easy job.
Painful at times.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
i know some people do and dont like jason campbell i feel like we missed out on a good thing,these are some of the reasons i feel like that
…after only 6 quarters as the raiders QB he beat the chargers to snap our 13 game losing streak
….after 13 quarters as a raider jason led the raiders over the broncos to 59 points and a new franchise record
….swept the division his first season as QB
…raiders record with jason 12-7
…2010 was the raiders 6th highest point total in raider history
…he tossed 19 td’s 12 picks as a raider
not too bad for the short time he was here.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 pm
No doubt Djohnny but it comes with the territory! It’s never easy being a raiders fan!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
post 36 doesnt mean i like campbell over palmer or palmer over campbell .its just a (i wonder what coulda been)given a couple seasons who knows .i just dont want him in the afc west if we dont have him
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
There is nothing to suggest that new Raiders head coach Dennis Allen was aware of or had anything to do with the New Orleans Saints “bounty” program when he was the Saints’ defensive backs coach. Yet, he is going to be linked to the issue, if for no other reason than by association.
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Good.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Imaquaman, its all good. Some people are a little sensitive in here about QBS. I really liked IF and was sad to see him go down. And I was sceptical about CP when we first got him but after seeing him throw I’ve come around to really like what he brings to the table. If he can cut down on the picks then I think we can really go places, places that I’m not sure JC could take us too, although I really liked him during his time with the raiders.
Not that any of that matters as CP3 is our QB and JC is gone.( if we could keep him as well I would be psyched!) Not gonna happen though apparently.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
IF-JC
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
New Raider slogan ….,.
IT IS WHAT IT IS
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Pro.t it!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
*print
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Try again! It is what it is is also too generic. Code Black!!!! Still the best especially with the flashing lights and the sirens!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I agree. Code black is cool as sh1t. But for the last 10 years I have been saying IT IS WHAT IS when it comes to the Raiders. Guess I love em no matter what. Got the Raider tattoos to prove it!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
It’s All Good.
That is the new Raider slogan for 2012, replacing Code Black.
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“OFF WITH HIS HEAD!”
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Can relate Mike as I’ve been saying its hard to be a raiders fan for years! And like it is what it is— it is true but we need a positive slogan to match the new era. Wouldn’t change a thing about the past, exept maybe the snow job fiasco but its a new era!
Code Black is on!!!! Sirens and flashing lights!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
CODE BLACK 2012! And props to B@uce for coining the phrase.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
oh man, we dont need this for a new regime. This is gonna suck if Allen’s name comes up. I have a hard time believing Allen wasnt involved. Here is a hit on Peyton when Williams was with the Skins and Dungy believed this was the beginning of Peyton’s neck injury. Nasty crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nBxHse5s74
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Ha.
I can see the banner now…
“IT IS WHAT IT IS”.
That would be funny.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Code Black!!! Props to its originator!!!!! Although some of us have added the sirens and flashing lights!!!!
Code Black!!!!!! Sirens Wailing an Lights Flashing!!!!!!!
This is the call of the Raiders in 2012 and beyond!!!!
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Lop DJG your picking up what I am putting down.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I don’t see what the big problem with this is..Other than the fact that they got caught..I am sure there are about 15-20 other teams around the league that do this….
I am sure there aren’t many on here that that don’t believe that when two players make contact, be it a defensive player or an offensive player they aren’t trying to knock the other guy the f out, and out of the game…If you don’t realize that you have never put on pads..Everytime anyone ever tried to tackle me, I tried to hit them as hard as I possibly could, Anytime I ever tried to tackle someone, I tried to knock them unconscious..Nothing Dirty, just running hard, and tackling hard..Cracked Plenty of helmets, bent plenty of facemasks..Nothing wrong with it.
These players weren’t getting paid to illegally attack people after the whistle..They were getting paid to inflict damage..which is the point of Football anyway…Blocking and Running and Tackling is the name of the game folks–that guy you see clawing and stretching for that inch must be stopped and he needs to be stopped Stone Cold..
This ain’t rugby where there are no first downs—These are car collisions happening every single down, I have no problem with incentive to make the best play.
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
51.arkraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Code Black!!! Props to its originator!!!!! Although some of us have added the sirens and flashing lights!!!!
Code Black!!!!!! Sirens Wailing an Lights Flashing!!!!!!!
This is the call of the Raiders in 2012 and beyond!!!!
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I would add a smoke machine and hot dancing girls with Al Davis masks.
..maybe not the masks.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Who’s the guy that injured Gronkowski? This is the same guy who injured Welker and someone else before that. Serious injuries.
Can’t think of his name, but i have no doubt he is out to injure guys.
The way he fell on Gronkowski’s ankle was totally unneccessary and looked very intentional.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/dungy-titans-had-a-bounty-on-peyton-manning/
Check it..
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
A Raiders coach or player blurring the line between right and wrong in order to gain an advantage to “just win baby!” — unheard of!! Well, I Never…….
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
There is a definite line there and one I never crossed..you do not under any circumstances do anything illegal to knock someone into the twilight zone…you do it clean and hard…do it any other way and you make yourself look like a Pu$$y a$$ed Punk if your going to try and hurt someone illegally you cease to play the game of football, and begin the downward spiral into not being respected by anyone..and really that is all you play for anyway..The guys you play with to respect you and the guys you play against to wish you were on their team..
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 pm
arkraider Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
A Raiders coach or player blurring the line between right and wrong in order to gain an advantage to “just win baby!” — unheard of!! Well, I Never…….
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LOL! That is Balderdash!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Alright, time for some Black Ops on Playstation, everyone in my house is FINALLY asleep–anyone wants to rock my handle is EIGERSANCTION—
Otherwise, see you folks in da morning.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
MikeG,
the problem is potentially from Goodell. He may start fining and suspending coaches related to the Saints. In this current day and age of PC, the media will hound Allen for it if he is named. We dont need distractions.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Maybe Allen should implement a bounty system in Oakland.
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No, its time for something new. Time to put a bounty on the refs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Ok, now I’m starting to warm up to Coach Allen. Lets start writing a hit list now. Charles Martin style!
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm
62.uglyorc Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Maybe Allen should implement a bounty system in Oakland.
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No, its time for something new. Time to put a bounty on the refs.
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Now you’re talkin’.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
real raiders injure their opponents even if they don’t expect any extra money for it
if refs are inconveniently in the way…
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Oh boy…another Raider coach to be linked with some past drama.
Looks like some your guy’s new golden boy isn’t so golden after all.
Allen knew what was going on regarding the bounty program with the Saints.
If he says otherwise, he is lying! He was right in the thick of it as a top assistant on the defense practicing with these guys everyday.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
We already figured this, but Jason LaCanfora reports that Raiders will cut Wimbley if he does not restructure.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Dear Dennis,
Start snitching!
Just put this thing to rest and clear your name.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Here is a hit on Peyton when Williams was with the Skins and Dungy believed this was the beginning of Peyton’s neck injury. Nasty crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nBxHse5s74
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And no penalty. Can you imagine if one of our guys did that? Ejection.
Some of you try to deny it but games are called differently based on the colors of the jersey. I wouldn’t say conspiracy, necessarily, but definitely a stigma associated with the shield amongst the refs.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
MikeG,
the problem is potentially from Goodell. He may start fining and suspending coaches related to the Saints. In this current day and age of PC, the media will hound Allen for it if he is named. We dont need distractions.
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The 3rd Raider head coach in a row with some drama attached to him.
Oy vey!
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
I don’t see how this sticks to Allen, though. An assistant? Pfft! The DC and HC are the ones calling the shots.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
There’s all kinds of justice in this world, DKnight. Dennis just needs to start talking. Get it over with. Maybe we’ll go from serious disciplinary action to a slap on the wrist. His only move is to be completely open about it, starting yesterday.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm
TSR, if they can prove Allen knew about it and he stays mum, he can face serious disciplinary action. This is going to be a huge scandal. Those who are upfront and cooperative first have the best chance of surviving it.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
the smartest people in sports learn to dummy up early on.from hit list ,to roids,grades ,home work,gifts.the better you are ,the more you dummy up(i dont know nuttin)
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
alzadoX Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
real raiders injure their opponents even if they don’t expect any extra money for it
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40 years ago, sure.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm
That’s prior to a scandal breaking, aquaman. Once the cat’s out of the bag, those who stay quiet get crucified. Those who cooperate usually get off easy. D. Allen has no choice but to be an open book with the league. Hopefully he’ll just get a fine, then he’s cleared.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
post 75 ask Mr Sharpe what he thinks about Mr Romo lmao.for such a big guy sharpe sure did cry a lot
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm
buddy ryan is rolling in the floor laughing his azz off
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
its not the first hit list or the last .do you think ditka was blind
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 pm
The Saints aren’t the only team who have bounties. The Saints just let their pool get out of control and they got caught.
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 pm
i agree there are lines you shouldnt cross ,but the guy that lays the wood hardest always gets picked first
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 am
Corky says:
“In my more than 16 years covering the Raiders, never once have I heard of the Raiders participating in a bounty program or even talking about going after a player in the vain the Saints did the past three seasons.”
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Thanks for being holier-than-thou Corko my boy. But you haven’t been around long enough to really “know” the Raiders.
The Saints behavior sounds like the Raiders of yore. Except there is one, very big difference: Raiders didn’t need to be paid, since they loved to inflict pain, and plenty of it. If the Raiders of old were subject to a particularly incalcitrant player, they simpy knocked him out of the game.
Nothing wrong with that; it’s football. I hope to see of that again, and real soon.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 am
recalcitrant ****
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
The rest of the league caught on to the Raiders’ style of play by the ’80s, and a lot of the Raiders’ roosters came home to roost. Ask Jim Plunkett. He got spilled by a 49er D lineman in a fashion that looked as if it could have been a bounty. It just about ended his career.
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 am
Ask David Humm how many teeth he lost on that bloody Sunday in Chicago. And remember Chi’s DC was Buddy Ryan, a reputed bounty offender.
Siragusa on Gannon.
We created a frankenstein that’s come back to haunt us.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:38 am
alzadoX Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
real raiders injure their opponents even if they don’t expect any extra money for it
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Sullivan44 Says:
40 years ago, sure.
but all they got back then was their picture on Al Davis’ office wall, especially if they were involved in breaking Joe Namath’s jaw or something really great
of course, it their violence enhanced their overall play and value to the Raiders, they would get a salary increase, but no football fan could argue with that
and even in the modern NFL, some players will try to knock out opponents even if they know they will LOSE money from fines. ( Then some will threaten to retire). And players know they can hurt themselves as well with their own violent play, or become retaliation targets of opponents, although they know that if the violence improves their play they will likely be compensated.
Actually, didn’t John Madden or some other Raiders coach pay his players fines when they busted an opponent up good?
Unfortunately, Raiders don’t currently have many players who try to hurt the opponents.
Clean shots are much much better than cheap shots but it certainly never bothered me that George Atkinson took out Lynn Swann in with a “forearm shot” (or a fist to the back of the neck) that had nothing to do with defending the play (about 35 years ago). And by the way, the refs didn’t call anything. The Raiders have gotten away with a lot of stuff over the years, the refs aren’t always cheating us.
Sullivan44 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 am
We created a frankenstein that’s come back to haunt us.
yeah right we created it? You must believe Al Davis more than you believe/admit you do. There was football before the Raiders. I read that back in the 1950s, Time Magazine or one of the major rags did a story on NFL players “getting back” at teams/players for previous violence by, you guessed it, by retaliating with more violence including trying to take players out and injure them to the maximum extent possible (even though they were sure to be the next target–back then, the commissioner wasn’t into stopping it). A 350 lbs nose tackle named Bucko Kilroy who later became the Patriots director of player personnel and GM was one of the goon vanguard.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 am
“The QB most go down, and he must go down hard” – Al Davis
March 3rd, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Raiders coach Allen with Saints during ‘bounty’ scandal There is nothing to suggest that new Raiders head coach Dennis Allen was aware of or had anything to do with the New Orleans Saints “bounty” program when he was the Saints’ defensive backs coach. Yet, he is going to be linked to the… [...]
March 3rd, 2012 at 3:36 am
Kettle and pot stuff.
Of course the league never had or has a bounty against Al Davis or the Oakland Raiders.
Never……..
March 3rd, 2012 at 4:33 am
I have a bad feeling Dennis Allen is involved.
To quote…
Specifically, the NFL has concluded that between 22 and 27 defensive players along with at least one assistant coach maintained a “bounty” program.
it included payments not only for fumbles and interceptions but also for inflicting injuries that resulted in players being carried off the field ($1,000) and/or knocked out of the game ($1,500).
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1. Assistant coach
2. Payments for fumbles and interceptions indicates DB players, thus coach
3. A number of the players involved are DBs.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:39 am
Just something contradictory about all this that I was thinking about…
It doesn’t make sense in a way. Players encouraged to make illegal bounty hits to profit something like $1,500, but doing so would see them getting fined for $7,500 to $20,000 by the NFL in the process. Plus, guys are already earning several million a year, so I can’t see how a thousand dollars here and there is going to motivate them more to “play hard” if their bloated salaries aren’t already motivating them.
I don’t know, something smells a bit fishy about all this. My tin-foil hat thinks maybe there’s something else going on here. Like a red-herring in order to further butcher the game, with congressional pressure and lawsuits harassing the NFL both short-term and long-term.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:56 am
I don’t care if Allen knew about it or not…. He’s a Raider now and that’s all I care about … Past is past …. Not an issue with me….and nothing I’m gonna spend anytime worrying about …
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:58 am
What’s interesting about the PFT article about the Titans/Fisher is that Jeff Fisher has for a long time been an integral cog of the Competition Committee lol. Just shows those establishing rules on policing the game are often caught with their hands in the jar. And he re-united with Williams in St Louis AFTER getting re-appointed to the Competition Committee!
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:30 am
Greg Williams should be suspended for 1 year. His apology was B.S. designed to take the blame, fall on the sword for the team. Goodell isn’t stupid enough to be fooled. The Saints should be penalized draft choices and lose their franchise tag rights. The G.M. who lied should be banned for life. More ideas on sanctions?
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 am
Good thing Suh was not a Saint, could have killed someone with his dirty hits.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 am
Feel sorry for some Saints players. Payback can be a B@tch. No bounty need for retribution.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:41 am
I have to back the calls after the whistle and shots below the knees and to the head.
But i hope Goodell doesn’t force the refs to throw flags on good clean hard hits. Refs may be focusing on every hit, with rubber bands placed on their arms, throwing flags left and right.
Huge chunks of yardage will be awarded and less football. High scoring games and less D. Just fine if proven guilty and move on.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 am
I have no problem with clean hits. But premeditated dirty hits with an intent to injure are unacceptable. I don’t want flag football but good clean agressive hits.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 am
Change the name of the Saints.
“THE NEW ORLEANS SINNERS”
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:18 am
I don’t see the problem.
They were not paying for dirty hits. They were paying for BIG, LEGAL hits.
You’re right, GG. It doesn’t make ANY sense for a player to go out and commit illegal hits for $1000 when those illegal hits would cost them MINIMUM $7500. Susepended and possibly losing game checks for $1000???
Look at all the players reacting saying no big deal, it happens anyway?
Take the payments away. Opening night, Houston breaks free pancakes Rivers, and knocks him out of for 3 weeks. Better yet, knocks if out for the year. Isn’t the WHOLE TEAM, FANS, FRONT OFFICE and the damn mascot celebrating Houston as the hero???
I don’t get the backlash.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Since when have the Saints been known to be a dirty team?
We all knew while we were watching the game that the Saints were trying to put hits on Farve’s old arsse.
Even after that game, no one called the Saints dirty.
More Goody Goody BS coming. One step closer to flag whether the players like it or not.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 am
But they were not paying him for a late cheap shot. Whiner Joe Staley said that in the NFC championship game, he wondered about all the punches to the face.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:22 am
99 problems and your KANGS ……
Blah blah blah
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:24 am
Farve took the high road and did not complain. But many thought the Saints were dirty.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:29 am
I have no problem with recognizing game changing plays.
Be it cash, roar from the crowd, headslaps by the coaching staff, or whatever.
Knock that sum biotches cleats off!!!!!
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 am
Anyone notice Rondo rocking the Raider gear?
Still don’t want his non shootin arsse on the Lakers though, lol.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 am
I think Goodell will make an example of this, fine the Saints 250K and take a 2nd rounder from them, and suspend Williams for 5-6 games, which will effectively get him canned from his new gigs.
Everyone knows stuff like this goes on in all sports, but the Saints were clearly so blatant about it that they somehow got caught, and took it to the next level.
As far as the players, they are more prone to do stuff, not for the $1,000, but to prance around the locker room with the $1,000, knowing he “won it”.
I am SURE they got caught, because some player finked. With today’s NFL, with so many FA and cuts and roster turnover, I am sure some guy that has bounced around the league thought that this was ridiculous and bad for the league (which if guys are intentionally trying to hurt people, it is).
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 am
Maybe we can give incentive to Aaron Curry for paying attention to his edge and zone responsibilities.
Instead of cash, we can pay for him and his family to go see Joel Osteen in person.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 am
Odom in the D League, team mates and coaches questioning his desire and commitment, and the off the court drama????
Damn glad we got rid of that headcase, Dakota!
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 am
Looks like .c cambell got tagged. Wibley must be getting ready for another payday..
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 am
Williams is DC for the Rams now, not the Titans!
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 am
Here we go with the Curry propoganda.
Edge responsibilities??????
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am
Add that to a 2013 draft where (so far) we have all but one pick and it looks pretty good.
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All but 2 picks, cincy has our 2nd which could become a first and Seattle has our 5th,which could become a 4th from the curry deal
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am
I have no problem with redistributing the team fine pot and awarding for good clean hits/game changing plays. Some will argue a contract is enough motivation to play your best(and i agree), but it is what it is.
I just hope Goodell doesn’t mix up a hard clean hit for intent to injure. That’s the risk you take playing the game, let em’ ball!
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Odom’s Dad was seriously ill. D league to get legs back. Best 6th man last year. Could not have gone downhill so fast without a reason. Probably saw fat a$$ Kim naked and lost it.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 am
100. Your right.. The raiders had in house bets on who could lay the biggest hit in the first half.. I remember Jack Tatum saying so.. Hitting is football.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 am
Just saw that the Chokers problably arent going to Tag Vincent Jackson
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 am
J Hill Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:18 am
I don’t see the problem.
They were not paying for dirty hits. They were paying for BIG, LEGAL hits.
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You are kidding me right? Vilma offered $10 grand to any player that INJURED Favre. They were DEFINITELY gunning for him with illegal hits in that game. I was appalled after the game by how many late hits and cheap shots they took at favre with no flags. It was disgusting, and it is even more so now.
How would you feel if you found out say the Chiefs had this program and say Tamba Hali get $10 grand from his teammates for breaking Palmers leg on a late hit?
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 am
I dont think anyone ned pay incentives to hit bret farvre late in playoff games..
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 am
119. needed payoffs
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Odom’s Dad was seriously ill.
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Odom didn’t just start losing his teammates last week.
Kidd talked about giving guys “third chances”.
The coach said he expects Odom to have to get up in front of the guys and do sum splainin’!
You don’t have to do that for taking time off to be with your ill dad.
Been a season long thing for them. And you see the Lakers had NO problem getting him out of the building.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am
That being said, some snicth just got the aints caught, so I think they should loose a pick..
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 am
The ose kardashian succubi stole lamars powers.. Next will be his money.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 am
They are going to lose multiple picks, get severely fined, and Williams will face a big suspension. Payton may be suspended as well.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
Vilma offered $10 grand to any player that INJURED Favre.
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I guess technically this is correct. Paid 10k to knock Farve outta the game. Of couse he’d have to be injured to be knocked out of the game.
I don’t see where illegal hits come into this unless you are talking about late hits.
Again, the obvious theme in that game was to hit Farve. The theme EVERY WEEK is to hit the QB HARD, right?
I don’t recall any knee or head shots. And again I ask, outside of that game, when have the Saints or ANY Williams led team been known as a dirty defense?
This is the first I’ve heard of it. Wasn’t there a group of semi’s lobbying for DA to hire Gregg Williams????
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 am
Lakers v Heat this weekend.. Win win situation. Win and its a big boost for the team. Loose and j. Buss will be forced to bring in a point or sf..
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am
JHill, I encourage you to rewatch that game and tell me if you feel any differently.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 am
How would you feel if you found out say the Chiefs had this program and say Tamba Hali get $10 grand from his teammates for breaking Palmers leg on a late hit?
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I don’t see the comparison.
I didn’t see anyone trying to break someone’s leg.
I personally don’t think it makes ANY sense that these guys would risk 100k for a 10k payout. We ALL know how these guys value their money.
Knock him out of the game! Pretty sure that is the intent of most defensive players ANYWAY.
Why do you think the primal roars and all the antics come out when they do get a big hit?
Like ALL of the players are saying, this is a non issue!
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 am
How would you feel if you found out say the Chiefs had this program and say Tamba Hali get $10 grand from his teammates for breaking Palmers leg on a late hit?
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It was pretty obvious that he was aiming for Palmer’s knees on Palmer’s first pass in KC this year. I thought at the time that someone should cut him on the next play just to send him a message.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am
127.bcz24 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am
JHill, I encourage you to rewatch that game and tell me if you feel any differently.
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Been watching ESPN for the last hour or so.
They are showing plenty of hits on Farve from that game, and I haven’t seen one “dirty” hit. I already said I thought some of those hit were late. Late is not dirty. And if the refs are not throwing the flag, hit the damn QB.
Are the refs a part of this too?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
I thought at the time that someone should cut him on the next play just to send him a message.
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And there it is right there.
Let it all get sorted out on the field!
You better believe that if the Viking Oline cats thought the Saints D was taking dirty shots at Farve, you don’t think they would have taken one of those cats knees out in retaliation?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 am
The quartaback must go down, and he must go down hard..
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 am
Of course Odom’s not playing well.
Let’s see you put up decent numbers after going at it with Chewbacca every night.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 am
I guess we disagree. The game is fast and dangerous, but there is a camaraderie amongst players. Why do you think when a player gets hurt they all pray etc. To find out these guys were PAYING to hurt people is disgusting. Remember the fines for those hits just started happening a year and a half ago, the season the saints won the bowl, there were no fines for defenseless player hits and the like. You can’t tell me that if there is money on the line these guys wont go the little extra mile to win that tax free cash bonus after the game.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 am
Plenty of teams have had bounty bets or bonuses.. The only thing wrong here was the snitch.. You cant talk about stuff like that till your retired.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am
They are going to lose multiple picks, get severely fined, and Williams will face a big suspension. Payton may be suspended as well.
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So what happens to the Skins???
The one guy going public snitch so far is a Redskin DB. He’s laying it all out, but says the hits were LEGAL.
Was the Redskin D labled dirty when Williams was there?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 am
after going at it with Chewbacca every night.
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Ok so she’s not here sisters, but Chewbacca????
Damn bruh ….
That’s cold!
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
J Hill Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 am
So what happens to the Skins???
The one guy going public snitch so far is a Redskin DB. He’s laying it all out, but says the hits were LEGAL.
Was the Redskin D labeled dirty when Williams was there?
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The difference is that with the Saints, Payton and Loomis both knew about it and did nothing.
In Washington, Williams was setting the whole thing up himself and not telling anyone (except the players, obviously).
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
illegal hits are very expensive. These were small in house bets.. It looked like they wanted big leagle hits..
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
If there wasn’t a problem with it why did the league compile 15000 pages of documents to corroborate it, if there is no problem with it why did Greg Williams quickly issue a formal apology, if there is no problem with it then why did the owner of the team insist it stop when he found out.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 am
If there wasn’t a problem with it why did the league compile 15000 pages of documents to corroborate it
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Because that is where we are with this league these days.
Flag football is coming, stay tuned.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 am
140. Because its against the rules pete rose:)
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 am
So Bcz,
Are you really telling me that you don’t think the front 7 of EVERY team is trying to knock the QB out of the game each week?
You don’t think LBs patrolling the zones across the middle are not trying to knock the WRs or RBs outta the game?
What is everyone waiting for MM34 to do? Lay someone the phugg out who dares to come across the middle, right?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am
I hope they implement a bounty system here. Shoot, I’ll kick in. Punch Rivers in the grill, gets $100 from me.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am
What is everyone waiting for MM34 to do? Lay someone the phugg out who dares to come across the middle, right?
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And I would be disgusted if anyone in our locker room paid him a bonus because he hurt someone.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 am
just read a report on yahoo.com kam wimbley will not restructure his contract and the raiders will cut him before the free agency deadline.. the report also stated richard seymore will restructure his contract and will make 5 million less this year and next year, reducing his contract 10 million..
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 am
They are showing plenty of hits on Farve from that game, and I haven’t seen one “dirty” hit. I already said I thought some of those hit were late. Late is not dirty. And if the refs are not throwing the flag, hit the damn QB.
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I thought late hits are considered dirty.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
same journalist reported the raiders are going to heavily focus on linebackers and corners in free agency, while focusing mainly on secondary and o-line in the draft..
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 am
And I would be disgusted if anyone in our locker room paid him a bonus because he hurt someone.
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I agree.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 am
149.Raider O Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 am
And I would be disgusted if anyone in our locker room paid him a bonus because he hurt someone.
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I agree.
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what happened to just win baby??? do whatever it takes to win!! even if you have to pay your players for dirty hits!!!
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
It’s a game. It’s not worth your life or your health. The game is dangerous enough without this crap.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
151.Raider O Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
It’s a game. It’s not worth your life or your health. The game is dangerous enough without this crap.
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if youre worried about your health, then youre playing the wrong game to begin with… nuff said!
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 am
what happened to just win baby??? do whatever it takes to win!! even if you have to pay your players for dirty hits!!!
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Al Davis (the creator of “just win baby”) would never allow such actions. He wanted to win more than anyone, and he was willing to do anything, but he also had love and respect for the players & the game.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 am
if youre worried about your health, then youre playing the wrong game to begin with… nuff said!
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There is nothing wrong with being concerned about your health. Playing football doesn’t mean players shouldn’t be concerned about their health.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
J-Raider Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
same journalist reported the raiders are going to heavily focus on linebackers and corners in free agency, while focusing mainly on secondary and o-line in the draft..
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CBs in FA becuz we dont have picks and this is the weakest CB draft class in recent memory. LBs becuz Kam is gone Curry needs to restructure has holes in his game. McClain could be suspended pending and we had Daryl Blackstock as back up.
His one game start cost us a W a trip to the play offs and Hue Jacksons job.
No depth at LB and IF we;re going 3-4 we need em bad.
Hoping for a gem in later rounds like Veldheer. Raider did a good job with this last few yrs under Al.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 am
145.bcz24 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am
What is everyone waiting for MM34 to do? Lay someone the phugg out who dares to come across the middle, right?
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And I would be disgusted if anyone in our locker room paid him a bonus because he hurt someone.
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The Raiders are paying him each week to do just that.
Just that = lay big hits on defense.
I take it you agree with everyone that the front 7 is trying to knock the QB out of the game each week, eh?
LBs trying to make big hits???
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am
O,
So you are not looking for MM34 lay someone out across the middle?
You’re just looking for clean Mike Huff type tackling?
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 am
The Raiders should put a bounty on their own players who aren’t earning their checks.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 am
O,
So you are not looking for MM34 lay someone out across the middle?
You’re just looking for clean Mike Huff type tackling?
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What does MM hitting another player has to do with late hits? MM can still hit someone across the middle legally. It’s doesn’t have to be late, and it shouldn’t be helmet to helmet.
You can still be a violent hitter without being dirty.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
Btw, Huff should no be used as an example for tackling even if you are joking/ trying to make a point.
lol
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 am
The Raiders should put a bounty on their own players who aren’t earning their checks.
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LOL
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
Who said anything about MM34 making dirty hits???
The question was do you think defensive players are always looking for the “big hit”?
Do you think pass rushers want to “punish” the QB any chance they get?
Aren’t they getting paid by their team to inflict pain on the opponent each week ANYWAY?
You don’t think defensive captains get in the huddle and tell their guys to rip someone’s head off?
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 am
O,
Wifey wants to buy a new Toyota Venza.
I need you to flip through the rolodex and send me to one of your guys for a good deal.
Hit me up when you have some time.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 am
Buy a KIA.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
The question was do you think defensive players are always looking for the “big hit”?
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Some players do.
Do you think pass rushers want to “punish” the QB any chance they get?
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Yes
Aren’t they getting paid by their team to inflict pain on the opponent each week ANYWAY?
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They get paid to play the game, but I get your point.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Looks like the union is trying to increase the cap;
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/source-league-union-scrambling-to-push-up-2012-cap-number/
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
Let me know the color, model & options. Are you willing to buy it from SD?
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
SD is no problem.
It would be great if, wink wink, the only they had was Silver with some black rims, lol.
Leather and Sirus radio sounds good too.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 am
Done. I will call My friend at Frank Toyota. Time to steal another Toyota. Maybe we can make it a 2 car deal. Wife is stressing me about buying her a new car. I’m thinking Camry, Altima, Accord, or Passat.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
LE, XLE or Limited?
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Hold up, O …
Have her on the phone and she says she changing her mind and going with the Prius wagon.
Silver or white with all the perks, she says.
Her backup plan is the Jetta wagon.
Looking for better gas milage than the Venza, but still likes the Venza if the deal is good enough.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Sorry mayne. I thought she was actually ready.
I’ll have her narrow it down and then shoot you an email.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Ok, the wifey 2 for 1 specials???
Let’s make it happen bruh.
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 am
LOL
I have friends at VW & Toyota. The Jetta is the cheaper option. Prius & Venza are about the same price.
I will get you the car for around Invoice, so drive them, use Edmunds (to get invoice), test drive them, and let me know.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am
Oh boy…another Raider coach to be linked with some past drama.
Looks like some your guy’s new golden boy isn’t so golden after all.
Allen knew what was going on regarding the bounty program with the Saints.
If he says otherwise, he is lying! He was right in the thick of it as a top assistant on the defense practicing with these guys everyday…
I don’t think Allen will be punished, just Williams, Payton and fines on Loomis and Benson.
Some of the Saints D players who are still on team will get punished as well who were involved in the bounty pool.
No wonder the Saints D was tops in turnovers in 2010 I believe?
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
I think Raiders should cut Kelly and Huff and try to keep Wimbley and move Wimb to the starting down RDE position in 4-3 alignments and have him stand up and rush in 3-4 alignments.
Just don’t ask him to cover in zone coverage schemes….just have him concentrate on rushing the passer and causing disruption in backfield. That’s it.
Hope he restructures down.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 am
# DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 am
The Raiders should put a bounty on their own players who aren’t earning their checks.
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LMAO!
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Invoice. LOL. You can do better than invoice. Especially what you see on Edmunds. They don’t include dealer incentives.
And you certainly don’t have to do business away from home to get invoice.
Send a few emails and get these dealers to compete for your business. The only problem is they send you a ton of follow-up emails.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am
* March 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 am
RaiderO says
what happened to just win baby??? do whatever it takes to win!! even if you have to pay your players for dirty hits!!!
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Al Davis (the creator of “just win baby”) would never allow such actions. He wanted to win more than anyone, and he was willing to do anything, but he also had love and respect for the players & the game.
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I once had a quote from greg townsden saying he was paid to break quarter backs necks, and not to worry about fines, cause AL would pay em..
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:37 am
I just don’t see how this sticks to an assistant coach. Maybe a slap on the wrist?
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Try Some Reality Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Invoice. LOL. You can do better than invoice.
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You hear that O!
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
I also heard a quote from j. Tatum saying he and the other dbs had a weekly bet on who could give the hardest hit in the 1st half.. They could wrap up in the 2nd half..
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
O knows it, J Hill. If he’s in the business, he knows it.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
Not really looking for the best deal, TSR. Just a damn good deal.
If O wants to keep some of the 2 for 1 discounts for his wife and I still save a nice chunk of change, I’m cool.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
It’s all good then, J. Just wanted to make sure you were aware.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
So you are not looking for MM34 lay someone out across the middle?
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We are looking for him to lay someone out.
We are not looking for him to grab some dude by the neck and be dirty to win some locker room pool.
You don’t think this has a long-term impact? How much do you want to bet the Saints got A TON more penalties next year, from late hits down to more offensive holding calls.
They just lost ALL benefits of the doubt.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
Just know that just about any ole Joe can get invoice. I recently helped my sister get close to 2k under Edmunds invoice on her new car, in the same price range you’re looking at. And that was WITH the promotional financing they had going on.
But you can’t get that at all dealers. Have to find the right one that’s willing to negotiate and interested in moving cars off their lot.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
Good looking out, TSR!
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 am
We are not looking for him to grab some dude by the neck and be dirty to win some locker room pool.
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Where did that happen?
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Again ….
I have not seen one person point to accusations of Greg Williams being a “dirty coach” PRIOR to a couple days ago when this so called scandal broke.
I haven’t seen one instance of Vilam being called a dirty player by other players or anyone for that matter.
Where are the dirty hits that resulted from these bounties, JFB?
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Where are the dirty hits that resulted from these bounties, JFB?
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I am sure the Saints had some personal fouls last year, late hits, hits to the head, and facemasks.
And who knows if they were contrived or not, but I am sure some division rival is looking at those and saying “F that, Drew Brees kneecaps, we will see you soon”.
It’s not the actions it’s the perception.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 am
Just to prove that Goodell cares more about the show than the showmen, watch for Gregg Williams to face a larger suspension than Rolando McClain.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 am
And who knows if they were contrived or not,
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LOL!
Isn’t that what we were discussing?
You damn salesmen crack me up.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Isn’t that what we were discussing?
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I am saying that it don’t matter if they were contrived or not, people are now going to think they were, because of them being blatant about this bounty pool thing.
And it will cost them next season, as perception around the league will be that they are dirty, they won’t get the benefit of doubts on calls, and there will probably be one team (I would think their rival Falcons) that is out for vindication.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Hey when the offense gets away with murder, why can’t the defense try to murder some careers. It’s an offense friendly league, the defense needs some kind of advantage right?
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
It’s an offense friendly league, the defense needs some kind of advantage right?
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So should baseball pitchers just drill every cleanup hitter in the hand, trying to break his hand?
Going dirty because you can’t win clean, is the biggest cowardly move I could imagine.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am
Different sport, umpire is not throwing flags because pitcher is throwing to fast, NFL refs are throwing flags if u hit someone to hard, if u barley touch a player down field, calling PI when passes are un catchable.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am
And it’s not about the money with these guys, it’s about WINNING the money. These are some of the most competitive guys in the world, it don’t matter if they are winning $500 or $25,000, the fact they can go in the locker room and claim a victory is the extra motivation.
When that “victory” is because some dude took a helmet to the earhole and couldn’t look at the sun for 3 days, that ain’t right.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
NFL refs are throwing flags if u hit someone to hard, if u barley touch a player down field, calling PI when passes are un catchable.
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Probably all the more reason not to run a bounty program in your locker room right?
The risk/reward here is horrible for the Saints.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Locker rooms around the league are probably laughing their arses off knowing this is happening on many teams.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Also if the batter slugs a pitchers ball, the umpire can not take the hit away unless it is clearly a foul ball. In football the rules are clearly made to favor the offense.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
Locker rooms around the league are probably laughing their arses off knowing this is happening on many teams.
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Obviously this was the worse case in the league, as there was a 3 year investigation, and somehow they got caught red-handed.
I would bet, that this bounty program was on a much larger scale than one’s in other locker rooms, hence the reason they got caught.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
In football the rules are clearly made to favor the offense.
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The rules IN EVERY SPORT favor the offense.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
A guy is making $11M a season and takes the bait to knock someone out of the game for $1000 ??? Seems illogical; if it seems illogical, it probably is illogical. Even if it its true, the Saints defense was 23rd last season so their pool was working well.
In an interview with a D assistant coach, the guy was whining and crying and slobbering all over himself with sorrow over the injury pool. Maybe it was Williams ?
Anyway the point is, one must like to inflict pain: the $1000 is neither here nor there. Raiders of old loved to put the hurt on a player, got off on pain infliction. And that’s how it should be.
If not, why not form an expansion team called “Twinkle Toes” where the players wear pink sequined rufflely skirts and ballet shoes, like those worn by fairies, and have wings strapped to their backs like the ones available in costume shops, constructed with real feathers?
I want to see some players hired by Reggies, who have a sadistic streak in them, love to inflict pain. I hope to see that on field next year.
Smell the fear….
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
wasn’t **** working well
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am
JFB,that could very well be true,but thinking it is an isolated case is pretty shortsighted,wouldn’t you agree?
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am
When I played football, I loved when I cracked fools, and they left the game or couldn’t get up and I did it for free, imagine to some extra cash, HELL YA I’D DO IT. But I also knew someone could do the same to me, but I realized its a tough sport and accepted it. And if it was done to me I would have intensions to return the favor, or my teamates would. It’s football, its tough, part of the game. Go watch some tennis maybe JFB
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
JFB,that could very well be true,but thinking it is an isolated case is pretty shortsighted,wouldn’t you agree?
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Absolutely, but I don’t hear anyone thinking it is an isolated case, just the most blatant.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Go watch some tennis maybe JFB
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Why don’t you go watch some MMA?
Did you play college sports, or are you giving us the Al Bundy treatment on your great high school days?
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
any good legal hard hit that hurts someone is just that ,a good LEGAL hard hit ,but when the 3rd string LB comes in and ACCIDENTLY rolls up the leg of a player to get the attention of the coach or other players OR WIN THE PRIZE .i dont think any player or coach would want that knowing that what comes around go’s ,go’s around
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
A guy is making $11M a season and takes the bait to knock someone out of the game for $1000 ???
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It’s not the money, it is the added competiveness.
When I played college baseball, we used to throw a few bucks on batting practice. Who could come the closest to this sign, who could hit one out opposite field, and we would throw a few bucks on it.
Whoever won, wasn’t celebrating winning $15, he was celebrating WINNING. That is what this is about.
All these guys want to win, at EVERYTHING. Hell in the NBA 10 years ago, some dude died because he was racing another player home from practice. Did he really want to get home a few minutes earlier? No, he wanted to win, and risked death doing it.
You can’t dangle a carrot of competition to these ultra-competitors, and think they aren’t going to try to win, even if that means yanking on some dudes neck illegally.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
post 211 agree its bragging rights
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I believe it was just an award program for “wow” hits and honestly there shouldn’t be anything wrong with that.Other professions get bonuses for performances.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@209
I got my future wife pregnant, so football for me stopped in high school, had some offers but nothing major. I also never claimed to be the best to ever grace the field, I was just stating the intensity I played with. If a regular Joe blow can play with intensity how much more a professional athlete. It’s funny to hear you guys want a monster defense that takes heads off but u get on the saints case about what they did. If a reciever was burning ur team all game in a big game and he was about to catch a ball in your area would you play the ball are knock the daylight out of him so he leaves the game.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I do see your point though JFB.There will always be someone who goes too far just to say they ‘won’.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
My point gentleman is that we shouldn’t have to get paid a crummy $1000 to knock someone out. We should do it because we like to cause pain.
I was a championship wrestler in high school and a sure fire way to win was to beat up one’s opponent. Holds only go so far: If one is very strong and simply tears into the opponent viciously, same opponent will psych out and victory will soon follow.
Let’s hope we see some real pain inflicters on our field next season. That is what the Raiders have been lacking on “D”.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I believe it was just an award program for “wow” hits
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Agreed.
Trying to turn this into dirty this, and dirty this is just mere propoganda. The players do a good job of policing what they think are dirty hits. We see it a lot on the field.
I don’t think there are too many guys in the league who would be out to injure someone intentionally. Players respect each other and knows what goes around comes around. But big time legal hits??? I don’t see the problem.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
If a reciever was burning ur team all game in a big game and he was about to catch a ball in your area would you play the ball are knock the daylight out of him so he leaves the game.
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How many times do guys actually get knocked out of the game?
Play the ball, play the game. What happens if you try to knock the daylights out of him, and he catches it again and laughs off your hit?
I want a “monster” defense that doesn’t make stupid boneheaded penalties, beats up the QB (legally) and creates turnovers.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
greg williams apology what is the biggest crock of sht ive ever read..
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
My point gentleman is that we shouldn’t have to get paid a crummy $1000 to knock someone out. We should do it because we like to cause pain.
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Coaches are always looking for ways to find added motivation. That’s the #1 key to coaching, is finding ways to get guys to give 110%, because damn near everyone give 100%.
Creating a game to entice more violence will do just that.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I hope D.Allen intstates the same program here..
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
This wasn’t about “monster” hits.
If a guy got decleated and got up, you didn’t win.
If you happened to sneak in a elbow to the ribs and he walked off the field, you did win.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@216
I like the way u think
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
As an example, when Mike Huff got in the way of Peterson and got steamrolled but hurt his knee, Huff was a bounty “winner”.
When Aaron Curry steamrolled Tebow, but Tim got up, he didn’t win.
Why would you want that type of BS in your locker room? It is no wonder that someone finked internally on the Saints.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
This wasn’t about “monster” hits.
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Your opinion.I believe it was.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I didn’t hear anyone say that the bounty was about hitting a guy hard. Big hits on their own were not awarded.
It was about the opposing players leaving the game. Didn’t matter if you “fell” on his ankle or fish-hooked him.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
nascar implemented the (have at it boys) rule not to long ago .they now police their selfs on the track .if you spin a car going into a corner its pretty much guaranteed that when you come back around on the next lap someone would be waiting for you ,and if the car crashed you most definately would get paid back the next week .no fines or penalty .also theres no hiding the fact that you took them out its talked about in interviews ,said face to face .you know what happened the racing cleaned up ,drivers now show respect for each other on the track.now its comon practice if you dont race clean you will get taken out gauranteed
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
If a guy got decleated and got up, you didn’t win.
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I understand what a knockout blow is.
And I understand that decleaters are not what they were paying for.
Although I’m sure there are some decleater payments made on some teams.
Pretty sure Curry got some form of comepensation for knocking the Charger LT out of the game. Even if it was just a lot of love from Raider Nation. It was celebrated FOR SURE and we wanted him to knock a few more people out of the game.
THAT is the point.
And to act like you are against that act if someone pays for it is crazy to me. You’re ok with it as long as it’s not paid for by a teammate or coach?
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
It was about the opposing players leaving the game. Didn’t matter if you “fell” on his ankle or fish-hooked him.
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You’re focusing on Vilma’s 10k personal bounty of Farve.
The snitch already said they were paying for ints, fumble recoveries, and other stuff.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Pretty sure Curry got some form of comepensation for knocking the Charger LT out of the game. Even if it was just a lot of love from Raider Nation. It was celebrated FOR SURE and we wanted him to knock a few more people out of the game.
THAT is the point.
And to act like you are against that act if someone pays for it is crazy to me. You’re ok with it as long as it’s not paid for by a teammate or coach?
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Curry should be celebrated for that play. He was asked to take out the LT, for THAT PLAY, and he did so cleanly, and knocked him out for his career.
I am for compensation based on performance.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@222
U would try to hit the WR with your eyes closed and then have to leave the game
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
The players treat each other like they a fraternity.They pray over each other,help players from other teams up.You’ve seen them when one of their comrades goes down,they show concern.I highly doubt this was about dirty hits The main objective was good,clean, ferocious hits that took the other guy out,just as a boxer is trying to knock his opponent out.But I’ll give it to you that there was/is the possibility of some guy taking it too far and giving a cheap,dirty shot.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Gotta run, but I am not outraged or suprised at all by this stuff.
Just think that it is stupid to be so blatant about it, and not what a team needs to be a good defense.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Maybe I shouldn’t be, but i’m getting a little peaved about what Al Davis (RIP) did to this team as far as the salary cap stuff.
Schefter recently painted a pretty bleak picture as far as the Raiders near future is concerned.
“It’ll be interesting to see what Carson Palmer says AFTER he sees what the roster is like he’ll be playing with after the Raiders make the cuts they need to make to get under the NFL salary cap. They are more than 20 mill. OVER the cap with the roster they have now. Let’s see what this roster looks like on March 14th at 4pm.”
Kinda depressing, and and I keep coming on here hoping to read some good news that from the way everything looks…won’t be coming.
As a fan, this is b.s. Been waiting almost a decade and now all this crap.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Fist off since Gregg Williams pretty much ran his own ship wherever he has coached it is more than possible that Coacn Allen had something to do with the Sinners bounty scenario. Don’t really see where someone involved with the offending side of the ball had no knowledge of the situation, especially if players like Jonathan Wilma & Reggie Bush, a running back contributed to the bounty fund. However, perhaps Allen was being the “good soldier.”
I found Darren Sharper’s comments limiting the impact of the bounty to “the first turnover of the game” a deplorable rationalization. Can’t see where anyone will hire him for his “talking head” services. . .
Now onto more concrete “football matters.” I like how the Raidere new regime is talking to their charges through Cp & Michael Huff. If two of the team’s leaders that have “out of line” contracts are talking so positively of the future perhaps they will lead the way via contract renogations. Perhaps this will encourage Kamerom Wimbley, who arguably is a better fit for the 3-4 alignmane (and a poor man’s von Miller) to renegotiate. If they can then cajole the likes of NT Paul Solali & CB Tracy Porter to sign on (and ILB Chris Lofton of Atl) then the Raiders will be onto something. . .
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Who in their right mind is going to go out of their way to lay the wood to another player for a paltry thousand bucks when the league is going to fine you 15 grand for excessive force. It just doesn’t make sense. But if you can “accidentally” roll up a guy’s ankle and put him down, then there is no fine or flag. If this is what the coaches are promoting, then that is just plain wrong.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Wimbley will restructure.
This is probably his one big chance to cash in and he knows it. If he gets cut, he gets a ton of Raider money PLUS what he would get from another team.
I think he knows he’s way overpaid and it’d be hard for him to willingly cut that…knowing he probably won’t get another sucker to overpay ever again.
His future,and that of his family will win out over his desire to stay with the Raiders.
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Wimbley would be an idiot to restructure to stay. 6.5 million parting gift? Adios suckas!
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Did Darren Sharper realize Williams had already admitted to all this before he went on his rant of denial?
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
238.Just Win Baby Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Wimbley would be an idiot to restructure to stay. 6.5 million parting gift? Adios suckas!
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Exactly.
He’s gone.
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I guess the only hope I hold out for…optimism, is knowing that our POS defense from last year can’t get any worse.
When the “analysts’ look at the Raiders and talk about our cap miseries, they look at the guys we have to cut and the biggies are on D.
The one offensive loss is gonna be Bush, but if our offense can’t possibly recover from losing a .38 yd. per carry runner who can’t get in the endzone after numerous tries from the one yd. line…then we were hopeless anyway.
The analysts (most of them) don’t know the Raiders like we do. They give us cursory attention. They’re too busy watching GB, NE, NYG, and Pittsburgh to really, truthfully analyze the Raiders.
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Just because Michael Bush & Kameron Wimbley could potentially do better finaicially elsewhere is no guarantee they will. Bush faded down the stretch, albeit without much support. Wimbley has always been an up & down player. Take the SD game (four sacks against a third string LT & three sacks in one game in 2010) & the three sack game in 2010 & his numbers are less than pedestrian. Admittedly he is a better fit as a rush OLB in the 3-4.
So what market can they respectively appeal to? And what can the other 31 teams see in them, let alone offer them in free agency dollars, especially if the sapcap isn’t significantly upped for 2012? Bush is a RB, a position many teams look to the draft for replacement parts. Can Bush realistically expect a starting gig from other NFl teams? Perhaps he will see a better opportunitu spelling the injury prone DMAC. . .
As for Wimbley his lack of consistency may deter the efforts of other NFL suitors. Of course his short term financial potential is taking the money & running but he is under a nothet three years with his present Raider contract. Renegotiating in the long term may still be an option. . .could recoup some of those dollars in subsequent years. . .
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I loved playing safety. Once laid out a friend of mine. He was woozy and we had to stop play for a little while. I did feel bad in a way but I have to admit that hit felt real good. LOL
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
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March 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
At my hm school they let the players who crushed the opposition to wear a black jersey in practice all week.
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
238.Just Win Baby Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Wimbley would be an idiot to restructure to stay. 6.5 million parting gift? Adios suckas!
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Exactly.
He’s gone.
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I hate throwing away 6.5 million and getting rid of a guy like Wimb who can still contribute as a down rush RDE or stand up rush OLB in 3-4 sets.
But if he doesn’t restructure down, he probably is gone.
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Antspy, busk and cam are gonzo buddy.. Cam wants cash and bush wants to start. Its over..
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Just hope that bush and cam earn us a couple nice picks next yr..
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Yo since you’re all dying to know, I’ll be taking the Reggae Party Cruise down to Newport Beach tonight, hooking up with a few strippers from Spearmint Rhino, and hopefully pushing out another 2-3 epic dueces.
I’d love to hear what some of you losers got planned for the day, could use a few good laughs
WRECKS N EFFECT STACKING PHAT CHEESE
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Invoice. LOL. You can do better than invoice. Especially what you see on Edmunds. They don’t include dealer incentives
$$$$$$$$$$
It depends on the car. Some cars have them, some don’t. The incentive is from the factory/ company.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Ill be getting another bowl haircut, dumb & dumber style. Yeeaa
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
O knows it, J Hill. If he’s in the business, he knows it.
$$$$$$$$$$$
Not really looking for the best deal, TSR. Just a damn good deal.
If O wants to keep some of the 2 for 1 discounts for his wife and I still save a nice chunk of change, I’m cool.
$$$$$$$$
- I was in the business. I do other things now.
- I’m looking for the best deal, and I Will get the best deal.
- I’m not looking to make a single $ of J or any of you for this service. Like I said. I’m not in the business anymore.
- I just wanted to help a Nation Member (also a guy I respect/ like).
- any discount I get, I will transfer to j.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
“another” 2-3 epic dueces? Whats goin on there?..
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I can get invoice at any place/ any city. All I have to do is call/ email just like any of you can. It’s a simple negotiation process.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Yo, you ever chow down on 3 double doubles animal style, a pitcher of margaritas, then pinch your butt cheeks together for 20 minutes while getting a BJ from a chick in a valet uniform?
Thinking about stuffing a potato knish up there to soak up some of the run off.
Luckily, like Jimi Hendrix, I get mad inspiration from rocking a hardcore Hershey squirt.
Working on a new reggae jam now called Smoke The Weed with Jeremy Lin, that should get a ton of google hits and cross promotion
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Btw,
“I will get you the car for around Invoice”
I did say AROUND invoice. It could be less or more. It depends on the car and the offers available from the dealer & Factory/ company. Not all cars have incentives, and most dealers are not willing to make no profit to sell cars. If it’s a new car/ high demand car, dealers are not willing to give the farm away, so you can buy ONE car.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
255. I cant say I have.. 1 double doubles my limit..
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Just a strategy thought, Raiders should consider drafting a qb for three reasons:
1) simple, we need a third qb, might as well develop two;
2) drafting a mid to late round qb is cheaper;
3) drafting a qb over signing a FA qb, secures us another high compensatory draft pick in 2013 for Campbell.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
“I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again.”
what lesson did you learn? suspend him for 5 years from the NFL, that would be a hard lesson…the lack of consecuences for this criminal activity is puzzling at the least, and very very alarming.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
We need a bounty system in Oakland.
D-mac would get extra $ for playing more than 8 games a season without injury. Wouldn’t cost a cent.
From what I’ve read, all of the blame for this lies with DC gregg williams. He brought it to NO from WAsh.
NOTHING to indicate that Allen even had any knowledge of the situation.
But thanks for putting his name out there anyway steve.
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Can’t wait to see Artest, Barnes, Kobe and Bynum get after Wade tomorrow if he tries to go in the paint.
Payback time tomorrow!
Someone on that Laker team needs to foul Wade hard a few time and swipe his face hard also!
March 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Djohnny, don’t listen to Schefter in regards to the Raiders and the salary cap. In addition to being a Raider hater, his aim is to say things to sell ad space or papers. All the prognosticators say this same stuff everyyear and then the sky never falls! We got Reggie McK and I’m sure just as Al did before him, will restructure a few contracts and shift some “money” around and presto, we’ll be in compliance and without a lot of severe cuts.
It’s all good!
Code Black! With blaring sirens an flashing lights!!!
March 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RaiderRet-don’t forget we signed a young QB-Rhett Bomar.Don’t know much about him though.
March 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
DKnight….let Wade drive the lane and have MWP rotate over to him. Doubt he’d be feeling like driving the lane again…Lakers!
March 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
arkraider Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Djohnny, don’t listen to Schefter in regards to the Raiders and the salary cap. In addition to being a Raider hater, his aim is to say things to sell ad space or papers. All the prognosticators say this same stuff everyyear and then the sky never falls! We got Reggie McK and I’m sure just as Al did before him, will restructure a few contracts and shift some “money” around and presto, we’ll be in compliance and without a lot of severe cuts.
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I read something a couple of days ago that said that a month ago the Steelers were 25 million over the cap. They are now 10 million under.
If they can do it so can Reggie.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Solomon Wilcots just said Trent Richardson is better than DMAC.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
of course Coach Dennis knew about the bounty payments with the Saints. Schyte, you think the man is stoopid?
better thing with the Raiders is to fine his own mofos for stoopid penalties that cost the team.
yeah yeah yeah, CBA says no, but frack it, the boys need to know there are consequences.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Breaking-
Trent Richardson may be the second coming of Mark Ingram (useless by injury).
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Same as McF.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
# Breaking_Black Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Solomon Wilcots just said Trent Richardson is better than DMAC.
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Yeah right. DMC is a game breaker when is on the field and busts out 50-80 yard TD’s like nothing.
Neither Ingram or Richardson can do that!
Wilcots is reaching! LOL
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Take it as a compliment that DMac is the measuring stick.
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
You can pretty much guarantee that Huff and Palmer already agreed to restructure. Those 2 plus cutting Wimbley and Routt easily gets us in cap compliance.
We can probably even get a cheaper version of what Curry brings.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Trent Richardson reminds me of Emmitt Smith. I think he’s a Pro Bowler several times over in the NFL.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me if Seymour is the only big money guy on the Dline next year. Bryant can be resigned for peanuts, and Houston isn’t making that much. Even if we keep Kelly, what is he making 5 million?
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Is ShoNasty going to determine whether we play 3-4 or not?
We’ve heard the coaching staff say that we need to see what the roster ends up looking like before that decision is made.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I think Desmond Bryant might emerge as our best D-lineman next year.
I really like that kid.
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
What is the Oline going to look like?
Can Barksdale and Campbell play in the ZBS?
Satele is gone, by all accounts.
Is Heyer going to be resigned?
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I think Bryant should be our starting DE in the 3-4. Perfect time (for us) for him to be a RFA that we can sign to a decent long term (4 years) contract.
ShoNasty is my “elephant” pass rushing OLB. Better pass rusher than Wimbley and MUCH cheaper.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Can Barksdale and Campbell play in the ZBS?
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I think Barksdale has a chance at RT.
I don’t think Campbell could play in the ZBS…..in the AFL.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Ridiculous!
Would have been the starter coming into camp last year had he not hurt his knee.
Can’t play in the league at all???
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
It’s really simple in my book.
Campbell and Barksdale battle it out for the RT spot.
Loser is the backup.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Can’t play in the league at all???
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The guy is one of the greatest physical specimens the combine and maybe even the NFL has ever seen, yet multiple HC, OC’s, and O-line coaches have sized him up, and didn’t even feel he was worthy to wear a uniform on Sundays and be a backup.
The guy can’t play, get over it.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Didn’t Bruce Campbell have one preseason drive against the Seahawks, were he had 3 penalties on the drive?
Against 3rd, 4th and 5th stringers??
Pffft…
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
As far as this bounty thing as it relates to your defensive team and mentality, I prefer a defense like the Baltimore Ravens.
Extremely physical and intimidating, plays clean, tough, disciplined football, creates turnovers, wins with class and praises the Lord and the other teams players as soon as the final whistle blows.
T-Sizzle gives it to his few rivals (Pats-Steelers) but other than that, they are all class 99% of the time.
Ray Lewis would never stand for having some Bush league Bounty program in his locker room.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
yet multiple HC, OC’s, and O-line coaches
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Multiple???
LMFAO!
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Didn’t Bruce Campbell have one preseason drive against the Seahawks, were he had 3 penalties on the drive?
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No.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
A knee injury kept BCampbell outta the starting line up.
Not one person HC, OCO, Oline has ever had anything negative to say.
March 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
As far as this bounty thing as it relates to your defensive team and mentality
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The whole topic is BS.
The Ravens are paying Ray Lewis and the rest of that defense a bounty each week to put the QB out of his misery.
I think Ray Lewis was the MLB in the game where Gannon got knocked out. You think he went up to Siragusa and reprimanded him?
I think not.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Raider Nation-Station
NOW!~ 03-03-12: BOONDOCK SAINTS
“What the Bounty Program scandal could mean to New Orleans, to the League and to the new Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders.”
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It’s all good Allen probably knew about it, but what can he do being a position coach?
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Exactly. He could technically have reported it to the league office, but he would have been blackballed from the NFL coaching ranks, Eric Mangini-style.
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That’s true n it probably goes on everywhere ..saints are the only team to get caught so far look for more coaches and teams to be named soon
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Yeah, Allen wasn’t about to ruin a SB win season….and he would’ve been blackballed…and so should this other “whistleblower”…but the league was investigating it….and was probably getting too close. The original source withdrew his comments, but it was corroborated, so he’s stuck. The Saints front office and G.Williams soon fell in-line with uh-uh- and apologies, and Joe Gibbs is “shocked” a bounty program was going on…
btw, the Redskins are next…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/nfl-will-now-investigate-redskins-bounty-program/
A lot of times, exposing corruption and wrong-doing ultimately hurts (Serpico), but the integrity-thing is valid….who knows what else is going on?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
The whole topic is BS.
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I agree. It’s all crap. They just happened to catch a team running an organized reward system.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I just keep thinking about the game against Bret Farve where they kept hitting him after the whistle.
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I keep thinking about the Vikings mind numbing FIVE turnovers. That bounty crap HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY THEY LOSS.
Investigate that b.s. phantom p.i. call on Ed Thomas by Asher Allen – that was the back breaker for the Vikings (along with the turnovers)
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
That bounty crap HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY THEY LOST.
(corrected) – LOL
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I want a defense that’s comprised of dedicated, driven professionals that hit hard and play fast.
No loafing, jogging or distractions.
Focused intensity, speed and power.
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
No
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Sorry, two penalties on one drive, 3 for the game.
Against scrubs in the second half of the last preseason game.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=300902013&period=4
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I never liked the Saints. That whole Katrina bullsh*t turned me off.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Sorry, two penalties on one drive, 3 for the game.
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Rookie 4th rd picks can’t make mistakes???
Damn!
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I never liked the Saints. That whole Katrina bullsh*t turned me off.
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huh?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Next Tuesday, March 6, 2012 @ 5:30 pm, the entire Oakland City Council will meet and issue a critical vote on whether to fund the Developers and Environmental Impact Report for “Coliseum City”, the proposed new stadiums and arena for the Raiders, Athletics, and Warriors respectively. This proposal also includes a new mall, business park, restaurants, convention center, and other retail outlets near and around the Oakland airport.
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Oakland has some of the oldest professional sports facilities in the country (O.co Coliseum and Oracle Arena), and if new replacements cannot be built in the very near future, Oakland could be left with 0 professional sports franchises by 2017.
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The aforementioned Oakland sports franchises are more than just sports teams to the City of Oakland and County of Alameda. At a bare minimum, they are an industry that employs thousands of people, and raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for charities in and around Oakland every single year. A little known fact is that our East Bay pro athletes visit sick children in hospitals every week, but most of the greater media outlets only advertise the negative side of our city to the rest of the world. Oakland is so much more than just the former murder capital of the world, the Occupy movement hotspot, and political mess that so many outsiders portray it as. Take the time to scratch beneath the surface. Oakland is in desperate need to retain its sporting franchises.
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Think about this, and think about it hard: if all three sports franchises were to eventually leave Oakland, 111 years of tradition (professional sports in Oakland) would be gone forever. It would be truly sad and devastating to the economy, reputation, and pride of Oakland. If you will, a black eye that the City of Oakland could never recover from.
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If you truly support the “Coliseum City” redevelopment plan, and want the Raiders, Athletics, and Warriors to remain and thrive in Oakland long into the future, please be present this coming Tuesday (March 6th) at Oakland City Hall, and sport your Silver and Black, Green and Gold, or Royal Blue and Gold. Stand up and be counted, and let the City Council know that this issue is very important to you and your community.
WHEN: Next Tuesday, March 6, 2012 @ 5:30 pm
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WHERE: Oakland City Hall – 1 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza – Oakland, CA 94612 – City Council Chambers, 3rd Floor
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
My goodness. I guess if Coach Allen is suspended, Hue is still out there. Think he would come back?
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Qodrn1 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
My goodness. I guess if Coach Allen is suspended, Hue is still out there. Think he would come back?
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Relax. Dennis Allen is not getting suspended. He’ll get a light fine and a strongly-worded letter from the league AT MOST.
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
So Greg Williams was rewarding his players for playing the game like the 70’s? LOL…
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I love some of you guys saying no ‘hits to the knees’ or ‘head shots…’ I can understand the no shots to the knees while engaged..but the ‘no head shots’ thing just got implemented as illegal about the middle of the 2010 season, or halfway through the season before last..
Head Shots are the essence of the game..your ability to run someone over or drop someone in their tracks especially the front seven is absolutely dependent on you being able to take or deliver a shot to the head….If you are an RB..your helmet is your shield, if you are an LB, your helmet is quite literally your battering ram..Not any more of course..in the NFL, but watch some College..watch what those kids do to each other…Those QB’s aint protected..its the same rules as the mid 80’s in college..There is nothing dirty about it, its freakin called football..
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Using your helmet as a battering ram is over and I agree. The problem is that inadvertent head shots will happen but often get penalized as the egregious type. Not sure how that should be handled going forward but we’ re talkin about football, man. Go knock the snot outa somebody!
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
J Hill Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Is ShoNasty going to determine whether we play 3-4 or not?
We’ve heard the coaching staff say that we need to see what the roster ends up looking like before that decision is made.
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The keys to whether it’s 3-4 vs. 4-3 is the availability of a NT and 2 more LB’ers at a minimum. We signed Ivy who is a NT. Hopefully they can bring ion a FA NT or determine that Houston or Kelly can do that job. LB is another question. I expect that Wimbley is gone. Curry is the next question mark on two fronts. First is restructuring his overloaded contract and second is his inability to provide pass coverage. The latter can be addressed by moving him inside with Romac. Let Romac provide middle coverage while Curry becomes the middle blitzer and/or LOS run stuffer. That role he can succeed at. That means we need both a WLB & SSLB. Goethal may be able to fill one of those slots but we have zero back up at LB. All that is left is FA Groves. Blackstock is crap and won’t make the cut. I’d like to see us go after Anthony Spencer FA-Dal & Dan Connor FA-Car.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 pm
It happens all the time, like when wide outs try to get low to avoid hits and end up getting smacked helmet to helmet from a defender that is trying to go low, in order to avoid a helmet to helmet hit. And then the flags come flying! WTF! This is FOOTBALL not badminton! Geez, what can be done? I want players protected but hard aggressive hits and tackles are part of the game!!!!
I want the players protected BUT I wanna watch some TACKLE FOOTBALL!!!!!
We gotta find some middle ground that protects the players but keeps the game as its been
The way we love it!!!!
.Any ideas how to achieve this?
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 pm
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I read something a couple of days ago that said that a month ago the Steelers were 25 million over the cap. They are now 10 million under.
If they can do it so can Reggie.
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Roethlisberger restructured. He said one of the main reasons was for Mike Wallace.
They dropped James Farrior too.
I don’t know what else they did.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
See Djohnny, it can be done. I doubt if you look at the Steelers roster after becoming compliant that its been decimated. Reggie McK can do the same, just like Al used to do! I know he gave away mad money trying to get a championship before he passed, but things aren’t as bad as folks like Schefter wanna make it out to be.
We’ll be fine! I’m flat out excited! Go Raiders!
Code Black!!!! Sirens blaring and Lights flashing!!!!!
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
arkraider Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 pm
It happens all the time, like when wide outs try to get low to avoid hits and end up getting smacked helmet to helmet from a defender that is trying to go low, in order to avoid a helmet to helmet hit. And then the flags come flying! WTF! This is FOOTBALL not badminton! Geez, what can be done? I want players protected but hard aggressive hits and tackles are part of the game!!!!
I want the players protected BUT I wanna watch some TACKLE FOOTBALL!!!!!
We gotta find some middle ground that protects the players but keeps the game as its been
The way we love it!!!!
.Any ideas how to achieve this?
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Are you retarded, or just stupid?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_nation_station.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Arkraider,
I agree, it’d be nice if some of our guys restructured to help make it happen.
I don’t think Wimbley will, but we’ll survive.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
305. Got the LB part right. We need alot more if we’re going to play more 3-4.
Steves privvy to info that may indicate Curry may not be a Raider much longer.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Raider Nation Station
BOONDOCK SAINTS
Yesterday, the League broke news of a Bounty system run by the New Orleans Saints. Many are still unaware or are currently coming to grips with the ramifications of this scandal and what it could mean not only to the Saints, and to football but to their team as well.
DAMAGE CONTROL
The League balances its perceived morality in the interest of player health and the fact high ticket players are “assests that put *sses in seats”, bring in TV viewers and sell jerseys.
Protecting big name players makes business sense. Protecting lesser names so they don’t sue you after they retire, lose or blow their NFL money and are then hobbled by medical bills. Its about protecting assests, players and the finance they generate.
FLAG ON THE PLAY
Now that the Saints bounty scandal has broken, some are afraid over cautious refs will throw flags that destroy drives, alter out comes and basically ruin the game for any contact deemed even remotely excessive, especially against big name players like certain QBs.
FUTURE TENSE
Its also about image protection. In order to grow, the League must appeal more to women, families and cultivating the youth market who might be frightened off or shocked by injuries or the violence of some collisions. That same violence was once considered coin of the realm and a measuring stick toward a players toughness and ability. Now its rapidly becoming a liability.
BLOOD IN THE WATER
The Bounty program scandal is also about avoiding future lawsuits. Since the “Dignity after football” ruling flood gates have opened for circling sharks out to obtain some of the Leagues nearly $9 billion dollar annual revenue.
The ruling already had owners and the Commisioner finding launching a media blitz announcing awareness programs, new rules and new ways to make the game “safer”. He even announced a bizzare and Orwellian program with the U.S. Military to study the effects of brain trauma.
While the move was seen by Goodell and the League as Patriotic and a good P.R. move it came off as unsettling to many and unintentionally opened questions about the emergence of the Military Industrial Media complex.
Yikes…
SAINTS THEY AIN’T
The scandal is also about the Saints and in all likelihood many, many other NFL teams, skirting the League salary cap. That, as you can imagine is a major no no.
In Troy Duffy’s 1999 cult classic “The Boondock Saints” the McManus brothers were compelled by a higher calling to place their hits.
In New Orleans, the football Saints we’re compelled by the lowest common denominator.
FALL OUT
Many things could happen, new allegations, new law suits, new charges, sanctions and penalties could all be forth coming but look for damage control to already be in place in some form or another.
The NFL’s investigation has been very thorough and some feel conclusive.
Its plausible Goodell and co. will make an example of the Saints and let by gones be by gones with all other teams with the Saints censure serving as a warning to other teams stupid enough to en-act but more importantly get caught, implementing a Bounty system.
Whether those sanctions will extend to the Oakland Raiders new Head Coach Dennis Allen remains to be seen.
Heres what Goodell has said so far:
“Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals.”
“At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”
Some, like ESPN’s Bill Williamson feel the NFL’s investigation into the bounty program was thorough and complete and it may well be but the fact other teams lied about the existence of the program opens those who perjured themselves during an official League investigation leaves the door open.
Allen spent five seasons with the Saints. He was their assistant defensive line coach in 2006-07 and then coached the defensive backs from 2008-10. The transgressions took place the past three seasons, according to the NFL’s findings.
It’s difficult to imagine Allen being unaware of the bounty program, given the scope of the players implicated and…the fact the owner, coach and defensive coordinator knew about the so-called pay-for-performance program.
Just the same, Allen deserves the benefit of the doubt and a chance to speak to the matter. He has not spoken publicly on the issue as of yet. IBA’s Steve Corkran contacted a Raiders official who said the team won’t comment on the matter, when contacted about getting a statement from Allen.
He and the new powers in Oakland that hired him are praying it ends with the Saints and no further charges will be forthcoming but if Allen and Oakland are smart they will decline comment due to the possible on going nature of the investigation.
No one knows if anything would come of allegations against Allen and as of this moment there are none.
Long suffering Raider fans barely coming around to the idea of a complete rebuild are praying the man tasked with that massive under taking isn’t sanctioned by the NFL.
March 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
291.Try Some Reality Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
The whole topic is BS.
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I agree. It’s all crap. They just happened to catch a team running an organized reward system.
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Ummm, fellas — That’s the whole point.
Organized reward systems outside of the Salary Cap — and contrary to the CBA — are strictly forbidden, and those rules have no gray areas.
Denver and SF know a little about getting around the cap. And escaping relatively unscathed with their
Trophies in-hand, I might add. Cheating fockers.
$1,500 here, $5k there…it starts to add up. Not reported, not taxed, but definite income…and definitely an incentive, play after play.
This is serious stuff…and hopefully D.A. wasn’t too deep inside the operation of the program. If he was, he’ll be fined big-time, and maybe even suspended. But, if the Raiders didn’t have a similar program, I doubt there will be any other consequences for our Team to suffer.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
313. Nice try but the one you posted has inaccuracies and parts of it don;t make sense.
Doesn’t read like that on the site.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Im outa here til the day crew comes on. Hope you all have a good night and a restful sunday. Only a few hundred more days till we get some more football!
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
And…any Player who accepted money for a cheap shot that knocked-out another Player is a loser.
Injuries happen even when Players aren’t trying to injure each other. Trying to do it, and collecting for it, is as low as a Player can get on the field of action.
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
A$$-kicking, hard-hitting football doesn’t need bounties.
Players who respect each other (and each other’s careers) don’t need bounties.
Either you’re a bad-a$$, or you’re not. If you need a bounty, or to take a cheap shot, to get results, you’re a pvssy loser.
Let’s just get back to basic, hardcore, smash-mouth football…
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
It’s a great weekend to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
A player making $3M to $11M per year is not wise to get hooked into an injury pool. Most players, especially defensive players, have a fondness for inflicting pain and don’t need to be paid a paltry sum of $1000.
Hines Ward is such a player on offense. Maybe we should pick him up for a season ?
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
It’s a great weekend to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
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If you’re a woman.
In that case, you go girl.
I’m embarrassed you call yourself a Raider fan. You’re like this little spineless old man who’s so afraid to go against anything. Just shut up already.
And that “if you take a cheap shot, you’re a pvssy loser”? The Raiders of old were cheap shot artists, proudly so. You’re so dense you don’t even realize you just called the Raiders of the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s “pvssy losers”.
March 4th, 2012 at 12:16 am
RAIDER WEAPON X,
It’s true. In the dynasty years, if the Raiders encountered a particularly recalcitrant opponent, they would simply knock him out of the game, to get him: 1) out of the game, and; 2) for the joy of inflicting pain.
There were several players in those years who wore casts, every game, in order to dish out pain in the pile. The Raiders didn’t need to be paid for such behavior, it was their stock and trade.
Hayes, wasn’t around during those years, and speaks boldly and proudly of issues on which he is ignorant.
March 4th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Hey weapon x. I’m neither retarded or stupid. I was trying to get a dialog going on how to keep football the hard hitting sport we all love while protecting the players. (Which is happening whether we like it or not)
And your input is to call me retarded or just stupid.
Way to bring it man!
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March 4th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Wow, weapon x way to bring it! You must be the type of d-head that gets off on fussing folks.
What a tough guy you are!
There is a big difference between hard hits ala Jack Tatum on Stingley angle cheap shots.
Cheap shots are for pvssies! Period!!!
Grow up you angry little boy.
March 4th, 2012 at 12:57 am
“I want the players protected BUT I wanna watch some TACKLE FOOTBALL!!!!!
We gotta find some middle ground that protects the players but keeps the game as its been”
THAT’S WHAT YOU POSTED ARK.
You can’t have it both ways. Keeping it as it was, with the jarring tackles, the head to head shots, the low shots on the knees sent players into retirement.
And the league realizes it’s better to stop those hits instead of satisfying people like you, who clearly lust after just that, a bone jarring/breaking/career-ending hit.
then you ask for advice on how both can happen??
Again, are you retarded?
March 4th, 2012 at 12:59 am
You retard. Tatum’s hits at that time are now cheap shots.
Now shut up, you midol sucking pansy.
March 4th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Doesn’t surprise me at all that so many Raider fans don’t know the difference between aggressive play and a bounty. Dumbest fans in sports. Makes me ashamed to be a Raider fan myself. But I’ll stay on board because I need to interject some kind of intelligence into this fan base, which has a collective IQ that probably slipped into the negatives years ago.
March 4th, 2012 at 1:16 am
Watching Lady Gaga on HBO’s Monster Ball special. Hell of a show.
March 4th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Sullivan44?
Inject intelligence?
When do you plan on starting?
Don’t recall you ever saying anything intelligent.
And trust me, everyone is ashamed that you call yourself a Raider fan.
March 4th, 2012 at 4:12 am
after this bounty investigation, maybe we can
1-3: no (pure) losers any more!
challenge the ruling of our preseason match vs the
saints
March 4th, 2012 at 5:05 am
Raiders Coach Allen with Saints at time of
” Bounty Scandal”……….. So what….!… And Big Deal… ..
My only concern is what Allen does with the Raiders….
March 4th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Hardline Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 12:16 am
RAIDER WEAPON X,
It’s true. In the dynasty years, if the Raiders encountered a particularly recalcitrant opponent, they would simply knock him out of the game, to get him: 1) out of the game, and; 2) for the joy of inflicting pain.
There were several players in those years who wore casts, every game, in order to dish out pain in the pile. The Raiders didn’t need to be paid for such behavior, it was their stock and trade.
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I distinctly remember the Raiders knocked out quite a few QB’s in 2000 – they knocked out Jeff Blake (then the Saints QB), and Aaron Brooks came on to rally them…they knocked out Adrian Peterson, Greg Jennings and Marcus McNeill and a few other players this year…this team can be physical at times..they just would blow it with penalties in key situations, and keep teams in it with broken defensive plays….
March 4th, 2012 at 8:12 am
RAIDER WEAPON X Http://Www.raidernationstation.com/Raider_nation_station Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 1:16 am
Watching Lady Gaga on HBO’s Monster Ball special. Hell of a show.
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Lady Gaga is a monster at times…what was with the “horned face”?!
March 4th, 2012 at 8:13 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
A$$-kicking, hard-hitting football doesn’t need bounties.
Players who respect each other (and each other’s careers) don’t need bounties.
Either you’re a bad-a$$, or you’re not. If you need a bounty, or to take a cheap shot, to get results, you’re a pvssy loser.
Let’s just get back to basic, hardcore, smash-mouth football…
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They never got on the Baltimore Ravens, and they blew up several players over the years.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
In the NFL’s personal conduct policy, it states that coaches and staff will be held to a higher standard than players.
Sean Payton will be suspended 2 games, Gregg Williams 5, and the new team that hired Williams will can him.
Just my predictions.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:27 am
#334- Fisher being on the competition committee for so many years better fire Williams.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Also think they will take multiple picks from the Saints.
Maybe this years 2nd and next years 4th or 5th, something like that.
Hey, maybe our first compensatory pick just moved up one spot!!!
March 4th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I think they will take their 1st round pick like they did with the pats.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I can’t believe Billisacheat wasn’t suspended for an antire season. He cheated for years, and won a flew SBs doing that.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am
The bounty program was known from the owner on down. It’s a serious violation of the Salary Cap…
And, because the sorry aim of such a program is the intentional injuring of opposing teams’ Players, it wouldn’t be a surprise if the Saints lose a minimum of a #1 draft pick, on top of the HUGE fines that are coming down.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Few*
March 4th, 2012 at 9:48 am
O — Denver won 2 SB’s while secretly circumventing the Cap.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am
The league does have to set a harsh precedence here.
I mean, if you are just going to give incentive to players for doing this with cash, what’s the point of good coaching and different motivational tactics?
You can just go in pre-game, unload a ton of cash in the middle of the locker room, and say go get em.
Can’t have that.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am
And I know people will say, hey they make millions of dollars, why would they do this for 10K or 50K or whatever it was.
Well, if you let it fly as a league for 10K, than it become 100K, and than 250K, and than the whole thing is a giant cluster-F.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Regarding the article. Jack Tatum wrote in his book “They Call me Assassin”, that they competed to see who could knock players out of the game. just a contest. Didn’t do it for money. Hits had to be legal.
But that was a long time ago. Lots of teams playing dirty now. Yet the Raiders always get the bad rap and excessive penalties. Not all those penalties are justified. Many are biased.
Dirtiest team in the league is Pittsburgh. They don’t care if they get the 15 yd penalty. They just laugh. Plus their qb is a rapist, and they’re ok w that.
If it’s a dirty hit and you’re put out of the game, the player penalized should also have to leave the game. That’s the only way to stop this. 15 yds isn’t enough!
March 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am
HD37,
I hate the Pats. I hate everything about them. I hate their owner, HC, QB, Tedy Bruschi, etc…
March 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Plus their qb is a rapist, and they’re ok w that.
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Easy, the guy was never even charged with a crime, better yet found guilty.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Saints are going to get a bunch more penalties next year.
Their era of inocence is over. Anything on the fringe will be flagged.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:59 am
More than the Raiders?
March 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Just fire…
One accusation=?
But two?
Lightning striking twice?
Are you familiar w the events surrounding the 2nd?
Only reason he didn’t get prosecuted was because the underage girl didn’t want to testify because of what his lawyers would put her through. And there were lots of witnesses. Not to mention the 2 off duty PA state troopers who prevented anyone from going down the hall and stopping the rape. And the testimony of all her friends they prevented from helping her.
Dude.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am
They will set new precedent for sure…this is a bigger, systemic, bounty program than they’ve had in awhile. Even after the League warned the Saints they were on to them, and to halt the program, it kept going.
The beautiful story of the Saints is actually pretty ugly. And, especially if the program was used on many more teams, it puts the entire NFL on the map for much bigger problems.
Paying Players to injure other Players isn’t just against the CBA and NFL rules, it’s illegal. Don’t be surprised if we hear from a Player or two who were injured by cheap shots from Players collecting bounties. And, of course, we’ll be hearing about this from Washington, D.C. — you know those guys and gals have nothing else better to do.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
351. Yup.
Have a good Sunday raider nation!~
March 4th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yesterday, the League broke news of a Bounty system run by the New Orleans Saints. Many are still unaware or are currently coming to grips with the ramifications of this scandal and what it could mean not only to the Saints, and to football but to their team as well.
DAMAGE CONTROL
The League balances its perceived morality in the interest of player health and the fact high ticket players are “assests that put *sses in seats”, bring in TV viewers and sell jerseys.
Protecting big name players makes business sense. Protecting lesser names so they don’t sue you after they retire, lose or blow their NFL money and are then hobbled by medical bills. Its about protecting assests, players and the finance they generate.
FLAG ON THE PLAY
Now that the Saints bounty scandal has broken, some are afraid over cautious refs will throw flags that destroy drives, alter out comes and basically ruin the game for any contact deemed even remotely excessive, especially against big name players like certain QBs.
FUTURE TENSE
Its also about image protection. In order to grow, the League must appeal more to women, families and cultivating the youth market who might be frightened off or shocked by injuries or the violence of some collisions. That same violence was once considered coin of the realm and a measuring stick toward a players toughness and ability. Now its rapidly becoming a liability.
BLOOD IN THE WATER
The Bounty program scandal is also about avoiding future lawsuits. Since the “Dignity after football” ruling flood gates have opened for circling sharks out to obtain some of the Leagues nearly $9 billion dollar annual revenue.
The ruling already had owners and the Commisioner launching a media blitz, announcing awareness programs, new rules and new ways to make the game “safer”. He even announced a bizzare and Orwellian program with the U.S. Military to study the effects of brain trauma.
While the move was seen by Goodell and the League as Patriotic and a good P.R. move it came off as unsettling to many and unintentionally opened questions about the emergence of the Military Industrial Media complex.
Yikes…
SAINTS THEY AIN’T
The scandal is also about the Saints and in all likelihood many, many other NFL teams, skirting the League salary cap. That, as you can imagine is a major no no.
In Troy Duffy’s 1999 cult classic “The Boondock Saints” the McManus brothers were compelled by a higher calling to place their hits.
In New Orleans, the football Saints we’re compelled by the lowest common denominator.
FALL OUT
Many things could happen, new allegations, new law suits, new charges, sanctions and penalties could all be forth coming but look for damage control to already be in place in some form or another.
The NFL’s investigation has been very thorough and some feel conclusive.
Its plausible Goodell and co. will make an example of the Saints and let by gones be by gones with the Saints censure serving as a warning to other teams stupid enough to en-act but more importantly get caught, implementing a Bounty system.
Whether those sanctions will extend to the Oakland Raiders new Head Coach Dennis Allen remains to be seen.
Heres what Goodell has said so far:
“Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals.”
“At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”
Some, like ESPN’s Bill Williamson feel the NFL’s investigation into the bounty program was thorough and complete and it may well be but the fact other teams lied about the existence of the program opens those who perjured themselves during an official League investigation to sanction themselves.
Allen spent five seasons with the Saints. He was their assistant defensive line coach in 2006-07 and then coached the defensive backs from 2008-10. The transgressions took place the past three seasons, according to the NFL’s findings.
It’s difficult to imagine Allen being unaware of the bounty program, given the scope of the players implicated and…the fact the owner, coach and defensive coordinator knew about the so-called pay-for-performance program.
Just the same, Allen deserves the benefit of the doubt and a chance to speak about the matter. He has not spoken publicly on the issue as of yet. IBA’s Steve Corkran contacted a Raiders official who said the team won’t comment on the matter, when contacted about getting a statement from Allen.
He and the new powers in Oakland that hired him are praying it ends with the Saints and no further charges will be forthcoming but if Allen and Oakland are smart they will continue to decline comment.
No one knows if anything would come of allegations against Allen and as of this moment there are none.
Long suffering Raider fans barely coming around to the idea of a complete rebuild are praying the man tasked with that massive under taking isn’t sanctioned by the NFL.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
March 4th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Re Roethlisberger: That underage “girl” wasn’t too young to act like she was 21, or find the way to get drunk in a bar with other people who were also allegedly over-21. This wasn’t some high school sophomore in over her head…this was a young WOMAN who put herself in that spot knowingly, not accidently.
He’s definitely an idiot off the field (and sometimes on it), but Ben was guilty of stoopidity and little else with incident #2. If Roethlisberger had raped anybody down there, he’d be rotting in jail for it.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:20 am
RWX,
I like your/ Brother’s site. It has A LOT of potential. I suggest you improve the Graphics (it looks like the Pictures were just pasted there). I suggest less pictures of helmets, smoke skulls, etc.. And more interactive graphics.
Keep up the good work.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:25 am
RWX,
Needs work on writing skills too. It has to be well written, and that will add to the credibility of the article, writer, and site.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Bounties vs football violence in 1970’s and earlier??
Not even a comparison. Comparing the two is almost like comparing two different games. Rules are different, equipment is (much) better, Players are bigger and faster, and they hit harder.
With the proliferation of ESPN, NFLN, the internet, et al, these guys know they can be immortalized with just the right hit…usually the kind that can really injure someone. We see more “de-cleaters” in one afternoon of games nowadays than we would see in a month of games in the 70’s…even though there were more known “cheap-shot artists” at that time.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Bounties vs football violence in 1970’s and earlier??
Not even a comparison. Comparing the two is almost like comparing two different games. Rules are different, equipment is (much) better, Players are bigger and faster, and they hit harder.
$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly. We also learned from the past. Players died in their 40’s due to injures they suffered while playing the game. Others had chronic injuries.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I think that the point of the bounty was to “roll on someone’s ankle” to take them out. I think the point was to kick their a$$es.
But, sure shouldn’t have done it for injury. I think they get the props for a mean hit knocking a guy out, not some BS.
You see the reactions when they lay the wood. The whole defense ralleys to the player. Some guy gets knocked out of the game because his ankle was rolled onto, noone goes and gives him props for that.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hey, O — How do you know which RWX you’re addressing?
And, you’re right about that site…it needs some serious editing if it ever wants to be taken seriously by more readers. Good luck to them…even though this blog’s become their #1 advertisement.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Well, I guess it gives us something to talk about until March 13th.
I guess it all comes down to what you consider knocking someone out of the game. Players respect the game enough to not be cheap shot artists.
Knocking someone out of he game with a big hit does not translate to rolling up on someone’s knee or ankle. Doesn’t mean go for a head shot.
They were also paying for ints and fumble recoveries. Is anyone complaining about that part of it?
Big hits, ints, and fumbles. All game changing plays.
Don’t see the problem.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am
You see the reactions when they lay the wood. The whole defense ralleys to the player. Some guy gets knocked out of the game because his ankle was rolled onto, noone goes and gives him props for that.
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Exactly!
March 4th, 2012 at 10:51 am
HD37,
LOL
RWX is trying to promote his site while discussing the Raiders.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I’ve got no problem with laying the wood. I LOVE the big hits…and I love what big hits can do to fire-up a Team and its crowd.
Big, legal hits do plenty of damage already. There are lots of legal hits that are also cheap shots — find some Hines Ward clips. Or, watch how Romanowski traps and rolls on Shannon Sharpe’s arm, dislocating his elbow. Good examples of how one could prevent injuries to another, but they choose not to in the heat of the moment. Even worse if those types of things are pre-conceived.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:58 am
SORRY…CORRECTION…
I DON’T think that the point of the bounty was to “roll on someone’s ankle” to take them out. I think the point was to kick their a$$es.
But, sure shouldn’t have paid them for an injury because maybe you’ll get someone just to “win it” to do some cheap-a$$, dirty move.
But, I think they really do this for is to get reconition and props – and they’ll get the props for a mean hit knocking a guy out, not some BS.
You see the reactions when they lay the wood. The whole defense ralleys to the player. Some guy gets knocked out of the game because his ankle was rolled onto, noone goes and gives him props for that.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:00 am
And I doubt Romanowski or Ward were playing for some type of bounty.
You have yay-who’s in all leagues who will do stuff like that.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:06 am
J Hill Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I guess it all comes down to what you consider knocking someone out of the game. Players respect the game enough to not be cheap shot artists.
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C’mon, J — You can’t really believe that. How many cheap shots did you see last year, all over the NFL? I can find a few in some Pittsburgh games, easily.
The Players respect M-O-N-E-Y. A little notoriety goes a long way with some of these guys. And, a tax-free bonus of say $2,500 can go a long way, even for guys making money we only dream about.
Millionaire athletes aren’t the only guys who will do nefarious stuff for simple, low-$$ bets. High-rollers will risk hundreds of thousands of dollars on simple $100 side bets.
Hell — A $1 bet made by millionaires almost cost Dan Aykroyd a fortune in Trading Places! Too bad this bounty program BS isn’t nearly as funny.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Mav — The point of the bounty program was to injure Players to the extent they lost playing time…it didn’t necessarily matter what the style points were. A blind-side cheap shot might do it…but an “innocent” little roll up someone’s ankle can do the job quite nicely, thank you very much.
If an injured Player lost playing time for a few plays, the amount paid was less than if the Player was taken-out for the remainder of the game. That’s an incentive to injure more seriously, and not some innocent little game of patty-cake.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Hey you golfers…you watching Tiger run up the leader board right now? He’s on fire.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:21 am
I don’t see a lot of cheap shots, Hayes. Cheap shots as in rolling ankles, etc. And when we do see it, we see a retaliation by the other team and a few 15 yd penalties.
Most plays where someone is really injured, it is not because of a cheap shot.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I will say that “bounty programs” shouldn’t be needed.
Big hits, fumble recoveries, and ints are already part of the job description.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
369.J Hill Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Most plays where someone is really injured, it is not because of a cheap shot.
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Thankfully, I agree with that assessment.
And…it’s why I think the League needs to make the penalties for the bounty program/s as harsh as they’ve ever been.
The Saints should lose a minumum of a #1 pick, and maybe (two) #1 picks in back-to-back years. Their ownership should be fined in the $1-million range, and any coaches deeply involved in running the program should be severely fined and suspended, based on levels of their involvement.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Since the Saints don’t have a #1 this year (traded away to draft Mark Ingram), they should be made to forfeit this year’s 2nd and 3rd-round picks, along with next year’s #1.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
If someone was paying for or encouraging dirty play, then I agree with you.
Big hits, ints, and fumble recoveries I have no problem with.
March 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Ben was guilty of stoopidity
Guess sometimes we are all guilty of “STUPIDITY”
March 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am
My spelling’s going down with my energy level. Time for some lunch.
J — Tiger is KILLING it…tied for 4th, 4 back after 12, putting for bird on 13. Might put up a good number for McIlroy to chase, he’s seemingly just treading water right now after 7.
Out – later!
March 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
J Hill
I agree with you , most of the hits were not dirty. Dirty hits are looked at by the league and fines are usually levied. I have a hard time believing that another player would intentionally try to “permanently” hurt another player. That being said, the highlights on ESPN sure show Farve gettin the wood layed to him. Just part of the game?
March 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
JRJ — I’m well aware of how to spell stoopid…I went to colledge.
I happen to like the way it looks when written that way, if you couldn’t tell. Thanks for playing!
March 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider Nation Station on Facebook.
Per NFLN: Jets interested in Qb Jason Campbell
March 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Wish Campbell the best. Yet another system to learn no matter where he landed.
If they sign JC long term and pay him starter money, whats that mean for Sanchez?
March 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I will pay $1000 dollars to anyone who breaks Method’s hands so he can’t type anymore.
March 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am
My spelling’s going down with my energy level. Time for some lunch.
J — Tiger is KILLING it…tied for 4th, 4 back after 12, putting for bird on 13. Might put up a good number for McIlroy to chase, he’s seemingly just treading water right now after 7.
Out – later!
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Tigger is not winning crap today! haha
March 4th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Raider Weapon X Http://Www.raidernationstation.com/ Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Wish Campbell the best. Yet another system to learn no matter where he landed.
If they sign JC long term and pay him starter money, whats that mean for Sanchez?
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Clearly this is Method, aka Brien. Yet another reincarnation, eh?
Who cares about Campbell. He’s gone. Grab a tissue and get ovah it.
March 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Tiger might not win today, but he made a charge everybody in the PGA will notice. Their ratings show that fans notice these things, too.
Tiger playing well = Good for the PGA
just like
Raiders playing well = Good for the NFL
March 4th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
The Jets talked about Jason Campbell according to PFT
March 4th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Tiger sucks knucklehead get over!!
March 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
@#353 Hayeswhatever
Your neanderthal POV is equated to saying a woman in a short skirt had it coming.
Witnesses saw her pulled back there and his security prevented anyone from going down the hall and helping her.
But you would say she put herself in that situation. How? By being in the same bar and talking to him?
Rapistburger only not in jail because she refused to testify. Plenty of other evidence but that all goes out the window when the victim won’t testify.
Even then he might get the benefit of a doubt if this wasn’t his second rape accusation.
Seymour right to deck that disgusting piece of cr@p, who you defend.
March 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
YO YO LAKE SHOW HOMIES STAND UP N REPRESENT
Time to “Beat the Heat into Dog Meat” (patent pending), kicking some LeSoft rear before halftime
Yo, me and the Certified Platinum Posse – my all star street production team – are kicking it old school at the Ritz pool, got myself and my nads all lathered up with Volcanic Eruption Sun Tan Formula #7.
Formula #6 always left me with slightly burned nads
Yo, pretty sure I’ll be scoring a sweet Scooby Doo (a BJ by a goofy chick who slobbers a lot) in the jacuzzi in a just a few seconds.
Popped a lude and gonna pound the heck out of this giant marg from the PARTYDUDE 8000 before receiving the aforementioned oral satisfaction
Just keeping it real, yo
Go ahead, let me know what you blog ladies are up to. Can always use a good laugh
SWIZZLE MY NIZZLE
March 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
And why would any Raider fan want to defend a Steeler anyway?
Freaking hate any and all Steelers.
If not you ain’t no Raider fan.
March 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Sorry Hayes, “Close but no cigar!”
March 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
388. Amen!
March 4th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I’m white
March 4th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
weaselbit Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
And why would any Raider fan want to defend a Steeler anyway?
Freaking hate any and all Steelers.
If not you ain’t no Raider fan.
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I’ll never get over the “inaccurate reception”. Rip off!
Oh well…hope you have a good sunday and Go Raiders!
March 4th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
It’s a great weekend to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
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If you’re a woman.
In that case, you go girl.
I’m embarrassed you call yourself a Raider fan. You’re like this little spineless old man who’s so afraid to go against anything. Just shut up already.
And that “if you take a cheap shot, you’re a pvssy loser”? The Raiders of old were cheap shot artists, proudly so. You’re so dense you don’t even realize you just called the Raiders of the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s “pvssy losers”.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
378.Raider Weapon X http://www.raidernationstation.com/ Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider Nation Station on Facebook.
Per NFLN: Jets interested in Qb Jason Campbell
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My honest opinion?
I’d be more scared of a Jets team with Campbell at QB than Mark Sanchez.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I was just kidding about the site being my brothers. Don’t even have a brother. Just said that to get sympathy from the board so everyone wouldn’t report me spamming this place.
So far so good.
Some of you are sooo gullible.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
March 4th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
weaselbit Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
And why would any Raider fan want to defend a Steeler anyway?
Freaking hate any and all Steelers.
If not you ain’t no Raider fan.
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Pretty ignorant to say that because you don’t like a team, everyone shouldn’t.
That’s what immature little brats say.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Jason Campbell is such a decent QB and not much more than that.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
396. Long live the immature brats!
March 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I will pay $1000 dollars to anyone who breaks Method’s hands so he can’t type anymore.
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Shut up Sullivan.
Your Mom would never lend you $1000.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
326.Sullivan44 Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Doesn’t surprise me at all that so many Raider fans don’t know the difference between aggressive play and a bounty. Dumbest fans in sports. Makes me ashamed to be a Raider fan myself. But I’ll stay on board because I need to interject some kind of intelligence into this fan base, which has a collective IQ that probably slipped into the negatives years ago.
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If you’re so embarrassed to be a fan then don’t be one. No one is forcing you. You already admitted before that “you don’t think you ever were a fan” so please don’t claim you are.
You’ll feel better about sports and live a happier life.
In fact, almost everybody here would prefer you didn’t claim you were a fan anyway.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
396. Long live the immature brats!
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This is a Raider board.
Immature brat is #1 on the application.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RAIDER WEAPON X Http://Www.raidernationstation.com/ Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
weaselbit Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
And why would any Raider fan want to defend a Steeler anyway?
Freaking hate any and all Steelers.
If not you ain’t no Raider fan.
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Pretty ignorant to say that because you don’t like a team, everyone shouldn’t.
That’s what immature little brats say.
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Please dont come to the Blackhole with that attitude. And DEFINITELY avoid Candlestick.
Imagine this nonsense at any college rivalry game? Please dont sit next to me, in fact avoid the entire section….
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Getting a lot of requests to find out how my Scooby Doo style BJ went.
The answer is wouldn’t you like to know
But I’ll give you a hint, I just had to rotate my jock strap and wash my crack out with Listerine.
Lake Show gettin’ set to bring Showtime back in the 4th. Hope you’re all set to see “Duane Fade” (need to get a patent pending on that sweet one)
Then I’ll get the DJ station fired up for my pool side gig. Expect mad shorties fired up from the Lake Show Jammy Jam to pay special attention to my wild hog.
TAKIN’ BACK THE STREETS ONE WIZZLE AT A TIME
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
397. Campbell would crumble under Ryan, the NYJ fanbase, and the the NYC media.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
“Protecting lesser names so they don’t sue you after they retire, lose or blow their NFL money and are then hobbled by medical bills. ”
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Basically, the entire reason for this whole story. Saints and probably Redskins will be the scapegoat.
Dude that blew the whistle will never work in the league again. He will be a pariah worse than Mangini.
It is what it is.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Relax Raider Weapon, who anointed you Victor?
March 4th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
TAKIN’ BACK THE STREETS ONE WIZZLE AT A TIME
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Please give…to the United Wack MC Lyricist fund
a rhyme…is a terrible thing to waste.
March 4th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RaiderSam Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
TAKIN’ BACK THE STREETS ONE WIZZLE AT A TIME
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Please give…to the United Wack MC Lyricist fund
a rhyme…is a terrible thing to waste.
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CyborgSam, when are you going to melt down again and start talking Clingon to yourself?
Brah, all the Beeech Dawgettes are still having a dope laugh over that one
March 4th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Yo, whazz up Master Beeech? Can a brotha get a shout out?
March 4th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
weaselbit Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Your neanderthal POV is equated to saying a woman in a short skirt had it coming.
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Wrong.
No woman ever deserves the it you are talking about.
My neanderthal POV is based on what evidence there is/was to pursue charges. By her own (illegal) actions, the young WOMAN put herself into a situation she might have otherwise avoided. Roethlisberger may have acted like the insensitive, thick-headed mouth-breather he is, but there wasn’t nearly enough evidence to charge him with the crime of rape.
Defend Roethlisberger?? Naaah. Fock Roethlisberger, and the black and gold horse he rides on. If Seymour would’ve decked Big Ben later in that game, I would’ve been all for it. But not when he did it, and with the outcome of the game still (barely) in question.
March 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Jason Campbell on the Jets would probably create the first time a NFL player had to leave a game in the middle of it to go cry and sit on the leather couch.
That puzzy couldn’t handle 4 games with the Jets.
March 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Big Ben banged a drunk college chick in a college bar’s bathroom, and she was just embaressed because her friends were making fun of her because Ben is so fkn ugly.
Rape??? LMAO
That chick wanted high fives when she left the bathroom, didn’t get them, than started crying and the cops told her to get lost.
March 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
NYJ fans aren’t any rougher than Raiders fans. But, you are right — Jason Campbell would be shredded by not only the fans, but by the media. The media out here are lightweights in that regard.
March 4th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Lakers rounding into shape quite nicely!
March 4th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Was Alex Parsons ever on the roster? I don’t recall ever seeing him play, but thought he was active a couple of times.
Just wondering if he is worth getting excited about, I think he was an UDFA.
March 4th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Let’s not forget about the sticker that girl had on her chest. Said something like ” Hi, I’m drunk and wanna f–k”
The chick was just embarrassed for her own actions and went crying to the cops.
March 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Hi all the REAL RAIDER WEAPON X here.
You’ll be able to recognize the real me by the positive attitude and links to RNS.
For whatever reason, the sad sad individual who posts as me hates RNS. Probably some weak azz charge site! lol! U know who U are.
Pay no attention to the jag azz imposter. My friend tells me hes caught some interest and will at least be watched.
Phew!
Hope you all had a gr8 week end! Enjoy the night and Go Raiders!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
March 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Big Ben banged a drunk college chick in a college bar’s bathroom, and she was just embaressed because her friends were making fun of her because Ben is so fkn ugly.
Rape??? LMAO
That chick wanted high fives when she left the bathroom, didn’t get them, than started crying and the cops told her to get lost.
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Will that be your story too after I rape you in the ass in the O.co parking lot next year?
March 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
djohnnyg Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
378.Raider Weapon X http://www.raidernationstation.com/ Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider Nation Station on Facebook.
Per NFLN: Jets interested in Qb Jason Campbell
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My honest opinion?
I’d be more scared of a Jets team with Campbell at QB than Mark Sanchez.
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Don’t really follow them but kinda remember a flap with Sanchez biting the hand to the media or sumthin but his play hasn’t progressed the way they wished it would and they are going with a new O system or something.
Campbell may or may not get starter money offers. Some people may see him for what he is rather than what Al thought he could be “The next Plunkett” but we’ll have to see.
I liked Campbell and that was kind of the problem. Liked.
Didn’t inspire passion or leadership.
Hope he lands somewhere that keeps him and allows him to grow and learn one system.
Enjoy the night and Go Raiders!
March 4th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Just wanted to have comment #420
March 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Lakers rounding into shape quite nicely!
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LMAO at Barnes and Metta punking Lebron, pushing him around and getting in his face. What’s Lebron’s response? Laughing and walking away.
That dude is so soft, he won’t ever win anything.
March 4th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I expected Barnes and Metta getting testy with Wade or Lebron!
Love it! Lakers playing good ball right now…as expected.
They shouldn’t trade Gasol, unless they can get Deron Williams or Howard. Otherwise a trade is not necessary for this Laker team
They still got squad and their good size and length will be important to have in the playoffs!
March 4th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I like how they kept showing wade on the bench every time hit a fade away, Kobe abused wade in 1st qtr.
March 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Kobe is deadly!
The masked black mamba!
March 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
The fanbase hates the few players that actually come through and are paid very modest salaries…guys like Campbell and Bush.
But have all the patience and love in he world for useless overpaid hacks like Wimbley, Routt, TK and athe rest.
March 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
A little too much time in the pokey huh El Dirty?
Don’t fret friend, you will be back soon enough.
March 4th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Jason Campbell came through for us?
We brought him here to make the playoffs; he didn’t do so, played in about half of the games in 2 years, and was $hitty in half the games he played in.
March 4th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Still all tingly from watching Gaga last night. Some of the dancers in her troupe are pretty hot.
March 4th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Jason Campbell is a joke, and good riddance. Was like a statue. Couldn’t tell if he was awake, sober, or in the same time zone. Just a blank stare, mouth hanging open like a retard.
March 4th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Peeps still talking about JC or Hue in here? Damn..
Oy vey…how annoying.
March 4th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I just got out of jail, how is Jamarcus looking?
March 4th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
El Dirty,
Jamarcus is lookin good all 300 lbs. Of him sitting on some couch in ‘bama with purple sizzle syrup droolin down his chin!
Yeah, he’ll be ready to dominate in2012!!!
March 4th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
“I didn’t like the matchup”
“It’s cover 2, there’s no matchup!”
March 4th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
TAKIN’ BACK THE STREETS ONE WIZZLE AT A TIME
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Translation: I would go play Bball at the end of the court in my subdivision, but Mom and Dad won’t let nme.
March 4th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I’ve always thought Jason’s too smart for the NFL. He doesn’t care enough.
March 4th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Again, any posts of a negative nature under my name are NOT the real Raider Weapon X so if it sounds mean and or stupid its Real Madden Raider being a very sick and sad person.
Hope you all had a gopod night and Go Raiders!
March 4th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
El Dirty Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I just got out of jail, how is Jamarcus looking?
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We all just got out of jail. We got rid of one overall number one, Russel, and got another overall number one Carson Palmer. Palmer is waaaaaay better than Russell.
March 4th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Looks like no one on here but U know who…
Have a great night all!
March 4th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
But I’ll give you a hint, I just had to rotate my jock strap and wash my crack out with Listerine.
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Translation: Didn’t know dude was going to spooge up my ass, but I’m good with it.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Beecham got so drunk last night his ass hurts.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Beecham got so drunk last night his ass hurts.
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Hue Jackson: Obviously.
March 4th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Lakers rounding into shape quite nicely!
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LMAO at Barnes and Metta punking Lebron, pushing him around and getting in his face. What’s Lebron’s response? Laughing and walking away.
That dude is so soft, he won’t ever win anything.
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LeBron James soft?
March 4th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Raiders’ slogans.
2007: I’m In
2009: No Knuckleheads!
2011: Code Black, build a bully…
2012: Play well or you’re cut!
Ah, simplicity.
March 4th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Finnegan won’t be franchised!
Hmm…not sure if hes a good idea or not for us
Have a gr8 night Nation!
March 5th, 2012 at 5:49 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
March 5th, 2012 at 5:53 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.R8ER MIKE..
March 5th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Question: which current Raider would receive the most dough on the side if we instituted a “bounty” program?
I’m gonna go with Richard Seymour
March 5th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Per NFLN: Jets interested in Qb Jason Campbell
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if the Jets acquire JCamp, it’ll be to compete with Mark Sanchez. They aren’t gonna dump the Sanchise for a 1 year stopgap.
I’m not even convinced Campbell would beat out Sanchez.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:03 am
I don’t think Soup would get a 50/50 fair shot at the starting job with the Jets.
It would be Sanchez’s job to lose, and he would definately be the QB under center the first day of camp and the first preseason game.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:04 am
I don’t think so RRS. Dick Seymour is a highly religious man. He’d not be down for that kind of cheap shot program. He deals his PF’s righteously.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Campbell >>>>> Sanchize
March 5th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Sanchez is going to be a journeyman hanger-on-er much the same way that VY now is. He sucks.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Sorry you couldn’t come in here with all your Heat babble this morning, RRS.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:12 am
G123,
simply put… guys like Sanchez & Flacco get dumped on a lot, but at least those guys are “good enough” to get their teams into the playoffs
Jason Campbell?
no!
March 5th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Sorry you couldn’t come in here with all your Heat babble this morning
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I planned on it, J
haha. I watched most of the game on fast forward with the DVR
they were only down by 2 in the 4th qtr
not bad without Chris Bosh imo. Go Heat !!
March 5th, 2012 at 6:14 am
G123,
VY sucks?
don’t tell Raiderman99 or Mistic !!!
March 5th, 2012 at 6:16 am
@G123
if only guys without morals or values participate in the bounty program I guess your choices are down to ROMAC & Underwood, no?
how about Tommy Kelly (DUI)?
I mean, where do you draw the line???
March 5th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Jason Campbell had he not gotten injured, and had DMAC been healthy all season, was going to take the Raiders to the playoffs. There wasn’t any doubt. Except for the Bresh trying to give games away at the end.
I’m glad we have Palmer now, and I won’t miss Campbell. I wish him well. But you’re not giving Soup a fair shake. He was a leader all offseason and led the team in player only OTA’s with Seymour when he could have been vacationing. They only show the spotlight on Drew Brees for these types of actions. But Soup was the unsung early season hero that changed the psyche of the team.
Can you at least give him some credit for making the Raider O a functional unit? He’s better than you describe.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:17 am
they were only down by 2 in the 4th qtr
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I wonder if GaSTUD disappearing when LeBron was switched on him gets him traded?
Or I wonder if he was in there screaming at the offensive coach to run the damn high-low play to take advantage of that?
Lakers trying to, but unable to get the ball to GaSTUD in the 3rd qtr against LeBron let the Heat back into the game.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I picked Seymour because he’s on the NFL’s dirtiest players list … and for good reason
ask Ryan Clady, Big Ben & countless others
March 5th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Campbell had a hell of a time beating out Gradkowski in a new system… I highly doubt he could beat out Sanchez. Seattle seems like a better fit.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Glo was much better in yeat 2 than he was year 1. Having an offseason with the offense and a healthy McFadden, yeah the offense was very watchable.
I actually want the Raiders to make every effort to bring him back. He is not going to get a starting shot anywhere else in the league to start. Let’s be real here.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:21 am
the heat HAVE TO get a big man better than Joel Anthony…
Bynum should have gotten Anthony’s game check yesterday.
Haslem & Howard are crap
could use another guard that can score as well
when will Spoelstra listen to me?
the Answer = Allen Iverson, suckas!
March 5th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Seattle????
So Tom Cable is telling Petey he needs to bring in Campbell???
Over the guy they gave up a 2nd rd pick to the Chargers?
March 5th, 2012 at 6:23 am
LOL at Allen Iverson being the big man to replace Joel Anthony.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:23 am
I had a friend in prison who looked like Charlie Whitehurst. His mustache tickled sometimes though.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:23 am
I actually want the Raiders to make every effort to bring him back. He is not going to get a starting shot anywhere else in the league to start. Let’s be real here.
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co-signed
make Jason Campbell a reasonable “take it or leave it” offer to stay and be Palmer’s backup
March 5th, 2012 at 6:24 am
I didn’t seriously think this bounty program was going to blow up into this kind of shhtstorm, but it’s looking like it’s to football what the steroids scandal was to baseball.
Are they going to end up calling it the “bounty ball” era?
What does Commish Goodell do, if for instance, there is a whistleblowing campaign and half of the teams implemented a similar bounty program. How does he penalize the entire league? What would the first round look like with 16 picks instead of 32?
March 5th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Soup’s career winning percentage in December (32%) is among the worst of any QB in the league today. Hell, it is even worse than Jamarcus Rusell’s (40%) and Marc Wilson’s (48%).
No guarantee’s he would have done anything different than what this team did last year down the stretch.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:25 am
JFB,
Have you been listening to Mike and Mike this morning?
Talking about the bounty program.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Mortensen says he thinks Williams is being set up as the fall guy.
Pretty much said that there is no way he would have done anything against what his employer said to do.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Simply put, the league HAS TO make a bigger stand out of this bounty thing, because they are being sued by former players for all their injuries and concussion history.
Goodell, WANTS this to be a story, for as long as possible, so he can tell the former players “it’s not me it’s you, look what you guys are doing without league approval and look at our stance against it”.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:28 am
I disagree that Soup won’t get another starting gig.
He’s at the top of the bottom third tier of starting QB’s in the league today. He’ll get a shot to compete with the scrubs in Seattle, Cleveland, Miami, etc….
No way should he come back to the Raiders. He’s too good to be a K. Boller type. We’d be lucky to have him, but I wish him well and will always root for him.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:28 am
NO, wife’s still sleeping, can’t turn on the radio just yet.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:29 am
I didn’t seriously think this bounty program was going to blow up into this kind of shhtstorm
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Funniest part about this is they are getting lambasting for not stopping the FIRST time they were caught.
First time they were caught, ZERO punishment.
If it was such a big deal, and so out of the realm of thinking, why wasn’t there any punishment the first time they were “caught”?
March 5th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Soup’s career winning percentage in December (32%) is among the worst of any QB in the league today. Hell, it is even worse than Jamarcus Rusell’s (40%) and Marc Wilson’s (48%).
No guarantee’s he would have done anything different than what this team did last year down the stretch.
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No, but had the circumstances been different with respect to injuries, Soup was in a great spot to change that Dec. winning %.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:30 am
427.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 4th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Jason Campbell came through for us?
We brought him here to make the playoffs; he didn’t do so, played in about half of the games in 2 years, and was $hitty in half the games he played in.
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He was 12-7 as a starter for the Raiders and I agree with the above poster that we were headed for the playoffs with him if he hadn’t gotten injured.
I’m a big Palmer fan, and I prefer him over Campbell, but…I think JC was finally starting to do pretty good. Not great…pretty good.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:32 am
He’ll get a shot to compete with the scrubs in Seattle, Cleveland, Miami, etc….
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Disagree with those 3.
Tom Cable is in Seattle, I don’t think he’s endorsing that move.
Cleveland will have the 2nd pick in the draft.
Miami will sign Matt Flynn.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:32 am
The bounty program was around in the “old school” Raiders of the 70’s. If Jack Tatum leveled someone or Otis Sistrunk or Ted Henderson stomped somebody, they’d get extra drinks at the bar from Raider fans afterward.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Soup was great in the division. 7-0 he was.
He does deserve credit for that. A lot of it.
He also deserves a ton of blame for going 5-7 outside of the division, when he was most often dreadful, for getting hurt multiple times as a Raider and only playing in about half the games his two years.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Goodell, WANTS this to be a story, for as long as possible, so he can tell the former players “it’s not me it’s you, look what you guys are doing without league approval and look at our stance against it”.
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Agreed.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Goodell may have his motives for this story to blowup. But it’s getting too big, and he may not be able to cork the bottle. He may be backed into a corner and be forced to give amnesty to all, just because it is more widespread than just the Saints.
If it’s everybody, then it’s nobody.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Manning, Orton, and Flynn will all get starting chances before Glo.
At least 3 rookie QBs will fill starting roles.
That’s 6 teams off the bat that Glo can cross off his list.
How many starting jobs are out there?
March 5th, 2012 at 6:38 am
What would the first round look like with 16 picks instead of 32?
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a few better picks for us in RD’s 3-6 ???
March 5th, 2012 at 6:38 am
He may be backed into a corner and be forced to give amnesty to all, just because it is more widespread than just the Saints.
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LOL
If he can prove it is widespread, that would be Roger Goodell’s wet dream.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:38 am
POST-479,THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON IN DIFFERENT FORMS / LEVELS 4EVER.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Agreed G123.
How can they just lay the wood to the Saints when you have all these others players saying it goes on everywhere?
How can you at least not penalize the Redskins the same way since that DB laid it all out?
Titans????
How in the heck is Greg Williams in the front of all of this when it is clear as day that the HC knew about it too?
March 5th, 2012 at 6:40 am
At least 3 rookie starting QB’s? I think maybe one. The hype machine for the pre-draft is taking the talk of rookie QB’s starting day 1 to new levels.
Camp is a better option on opening day than any of the rookie QB’s, including Luck and RG3.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Soup’s best bet is to go to a good team like the 49ers, Ravens and Jets, on a 1 or 2 year deal, play the good soldier backup, and hope like hell the QB’s in front of them tank and/or get hurt.
What would going to Cleveland do for him? Get beatup some more and lose more games than he wins, AGAIN?
March 5th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Yeah, I can just see the Colts management saying, “Hey, I know we got rid of Peyton, the greatest Colt ever, and spent a 1st overall pick on Andrew Luck, but we are rolling with this guy Jason Campbell to start the year. Get your season opener tickets now before they sell out.”
March 5th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Soup worked his #ss off last year, offseason, early season. He was on his way with a good start to the season. He didn’t complain, was a good soldier to the end. He’s got my respect/props. Won’t be a Raider, but there have been a lot worse Raider QB’s that you can discuss over the years. A lot worse than Soup.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:48 am
What makes this news worthy?
Our defense is so soft a ‘bounty program’ in Oakland would be laughable.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Agreed that Soup’s professionalism, hard work and offseason efforts helped this team stabilize and move in the right direction.
If his on the field play was anywhere in the same stratosphere as his off the field efforts, we would have had a 1st round bye the last two years.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:52 am
I DONT KNOW CJ,ALL SOME OF THESE GUY’S KNOW IS $$$..MAYBE IT WOULD WORK.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I would welcome Soup back with open arms.
He would be a great back up. heck he could come in when Palmer goes down and win the game for us and I would not be surprised one bit. He was playing decent before he got hurt. We were actually winning and protecting the ball. He just doe snot have the touch on the deep ball like Palmer, but he also did not throw the ball away like Palmer.
He is who he is decent NFL QB but not elite player.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I’m not trying to defend the ‘bounty program’. It’s sick to try to hurt somebody who’s just trying to earn a living. There has to be a discipline that is learned through repetition and hard work. Stuff that puts the player in the best position to take legal angles to put a hurt on players without being dirty. Gregg Williams and others like him are punks who take shortcuts when poor coaching and poor talent aren’t enough. Williams should be expelled from the league. There is no good excuse for apologizing for a character flaw after the fact. That’s just Williams saying he was sorry that he was caught, not sorry for what he condoned.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:54 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 6:52 am
I DONT KNOW CJ,ALL SOME OF THESE GUY’S KNOW IS $$$..MAYBE IT WOULD WORK.
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You may be right!!! Nah! We can’t do that with these group of rock heads they would double their penealties from last year. : )
March 5th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Listening to Mike and MIke now, although I think I am an hour behind the normal program schedule.
Just heard Schefty say that the league found “new evidence” recently, and Schefty thinks it was a former player with an axe to grind.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:57 am
He is who he is decent NFL QB but not elite player.
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agreed
March 5th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Mike & Mike is brutal to listen to. I get it live on the east coast, but I can’t tune in. Ears bleed.
March 5th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Campbell is going to the team where he can step into the starting job with the least amount of competition.
He’s always been a class act, which he deserves credit for, but do we forget how brooding and defeated he acted after he lost his starting job to Grads?? The guy simply doesn’t like competition… which kind of sets his limitations as a NFL QB.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Golic says that there are int trophy’s, fumble trophy’s, and big hit trophy’s.
Jars of money that get paid out.
Trophy’s not bounties.
No big deal. Happens everywhere. Would be SHOCKED if all the HCs didn’t know about it.
This is what most of the players are saying that I’ve heard talk about it.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:02 am
He’s always been a class act, which he deserves credit for, but do we forget how brooding and defeated he acted after he lost his starting job to Grads?? The guy simply doesn’t like competition… which kind of sets his limitations as a NFL QB.
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I don’t think it’s ‘brooding’ perse….
I look at it as Tom Cable’s hardon with Gradkowski. Campell is/was/will always be better than Grads. I don’t blame him for being offended/pissed.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Rumor has it that Breshnahan had a bounty system of his own… unfortunately for the Raiders it was for who could get to the post game meal quickest after giving up 99 yard drives…
March 5th, 2012 at 7:05 am
J Hill Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Golic says that there are int trophy’s, fumble trophy’s, and big hit trophy’s.
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No one will have a problem with these kind of bounties. As long as the hits are legal. We can’t have them playing in tights & tutus either.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:08 am
What would going to Cleveland do for him? Get beatup some more and lose more games than he wins, AGAIN?
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Agreed with JFB.
Campbell needs to go to a team with a dynamic running back or tandem to even stand a chance. Cleveland isn’t an option
Hillis is a free agent, plus he’s considering retirement even if they do try to retain him
Give Jason Campbell this supporting cast:
Montario Hardesty
Brandon Jackson
Chris Ogbonnaya
Josh Cribbs
Greg Little
Mohamed Massaquoi
Evan Moore
Benjamin Watson
They going to try and fight for next year’s #1 overall draft pick? That team is going 4-12 (at best)
March 5th, 2012 at 7:08 am
I look at it as Tom Cable’s hardon with Gradkowski. Campell is/was/will always be better than Grads. I don’t blame him for being offended/pissed.
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I dunno… I am sure there are some JMac posts archived about how surprised he was with Campbells reaction. And please… he DESERVED to get benched. That SF game… I STILL want those three hours back. “JaMarcus Campbell”… almost like “Its cold and rainy, I don’t feel like playing…”
March 5th, 2012 at 7:11 am
No news all weekend?
Boring.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:13 am
I’m hoping to hear that Branch agrees to a long term deal that reduces our cap# soon. It’d be nice to be below the cap before Mar 13.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:16 am
I look at it as Tom Cable’s hardon with Gradkowski. Campell is/was/will always be better than Grads. I don’t blame him for being offended/pissed.
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Cable wanted Grads over Russell. who wouldn’t ???
Hue Jackson took credit/blame for benching JC to bring in Grads.
Cable convinced Davis to ditch his pet walrus to move on to Jason Campbell.
If he thought Gradkowski was worthy of being the unquestionned starter, i’m sure we could have just rolled with Boller & Edwards or Losman instead of trading a future pick for “JaJason”
March 5th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Wassup Dakota!
What’s your take on yesterdays game?
Specifically, LeBron vs GaSTUD?
March 5th, 2012 at 7:19 am
It’d be nice to be below the cap before Mar 13
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We get fined for non-compliance, G.
I don’t think Mark would tolerate that from Reggie in Year#1
March 5th, 2012 at 7:20 am
511.J Hill Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Wassup Dakota!
What’s your take on yesterdays game?
Specifically, LeBron vs GaSTUD?
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My take on the game is that Miami didn’t have one of their big three, so it didn’t count for much.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Oh Please! Don’t start with “JaJason”. C’mon man, your better than that. A 4th rounder was all he cost us. Bargain compared to what CP3 cost.
Took this team from perrenial doormat/joke of the league to a decent respectable scoring offense. He wasn’t Peyton Manning, I agree. But he was better than some of the “game manager” QB’s in the league.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:23 am
he was better than some of the “game manager” QB’s in the league.
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thats exactly what he was!
Jason Campbell without DMAC is Kyle Boller
wrap that up in a burrito and eat it
March 5th, 2012 at 7:23 am
496.guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I’m not trying to defend the ‘bounty program’. It’s sick to try to hurt somebody who’s just trying to earn a living. There has to be a discipline that is learned through repetition and hard work. Stuff that puts the player in the best position to take legal angles to put a hurt on players without being dirty. Gregg Williams and others like him are punks who take shortcuts when poor coaching and poor talent aren’t enough. Williams should be expelled from the league. There is no good excuse for apologizing for a character flaw after the fact. That’s just Williams saying he was sorry that he was caught, not sorry for what he condoned.
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Yeah, and he’s been doing this for years. It isn’t like it was a one time mistake.
I do think it was widespread, but i think it was possibly more sinister-what Williams had going on.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Before they franchised Branch and kept Seymours guaranteed deal, I was skeptical that M. Davis was just going to let the team bottom out in 2012. But I am hopeful with those moves.
There’s a plan, may not work out, but there’s a plan brewing there. It’s gonna be good. Trust in R Mack.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Oh Please! Don’t start with “JaJason”. C’mon man, your better than that
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that was for your boy RM99, wherever he’s at
JC >>>>>>>> JR
March 5th, 2012 at 7:26 am
The Heat will never win a title until Lebron leaves.
The guy just doesn’t get “it”.
Watched a lot of that Jazz game, when he was dancing around with 45 seconds left in the game, taunting fans and beating his chest.
Than he gets burned on two straight defensive plays, passes the last ball to his power forward for a 17 foot jumper and loses, and walks off the court pouting.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Jason Campbell without DMAC is Kyle Boller
wrap that up in a burrito and eat it
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and Kyle Boller with DMAC is?….we’ll never know will we?
March 5th, 2012 at 7:29 am
The Heat will never win a title until Lebron leaves.
The guy just doesn’t get “it”.
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False, hater
March 5th, 2012 at 7:31 am
519.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 7:26 am
The Heat will never win a title until Lebron leaves.
The guy just doesn’t get “it”.
Watched a lot of that Jazz game, when he was dancing around with 45 seconds left in the game, taunting fans and beating his chest.
Than he gets burned on two straight defensive plays, passes the last ball to his power forward for a 17 foot jumper and loses, and walks off the court pouting.
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I’d trade Kobe for him right now. Of course, that is due to an age thing, not based on talent.
He does seem to lack something. He seems to play with fear. Fear of failure. Lacks courage. He probably should have went to college for a year or two, and maybe he would have grown as a person….instead he seems to have carried his high school act to the pros.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Gotta run…..
March 5th, 2012 at 7:33 am
did you see that baby Kobe Bryant complaining that he got hit in the face in the 1st half yesterday?
what a sissy. basketball is a man’s sport. that guy is a major diva
send him to the WNBA
the bigs in L.A. with get them in the postseason
March 5th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Nobody complains about fouls more than the Heat.
It is disgusting.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Lebron’s just not an ‘Alpha Male’. It’s found somewhere in the genes. He needs to be the sidekick. He’s better as “Robin”.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Lebron’s just not an ‘Alpha Male’. It’s found somewhere in the genes. He needs to be the sidekick. He’s better as “Robin”.
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thats what he currently is in Miami. You’re saying he’s better now than he was in Cleveland when he CARRIED THEM for years?
wake up dude
March 5th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Kobe Bryant is the NBA’s version of Philip Rivers or Chad OchoCinco. probably a combination of both
March 5th, 2012 at 7:40 am
wake up dude
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Hitting the snooze button till Lebron grows a pair.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:43 am
and Kyle Boller with DMAC is?….we’ll never know will we?
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still kyle boller. and he still sucks !!
March 5th, 2012 at 7:44 am
kyle got shook up when he played in baltimore and never recovered.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Last offseason, everyone thought Kyle Boller was just as good if not better than Bruce Gradkowski. I warned over and over again, and mentioned that Boller had something like 23 turnovers to 10 TD’s the last few years. I was told I am a Bruce homer, and don’t know what I was talking about.
KoolKell even told me that Boller “could make all the throws”, lol.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:46 am
part of being a fan is loving and hating.
Love the Raiders.
Been going to games since the 60’s.
And I hate all AFC West teams. Except the Raiders.
always root against them.
And I hate the Steelers and the Bills.
And if you don’t understand that, you know nothing of Raider history.
To the defenders of Rapistburger: that’s just gross.
Not to mention he looks like Seth Rogen in a football costume.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:49 am
From ProFootballTalk…
Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that, with efforts to re-sign center Scott Wells going nowhere, the Packers have turned their attention to Texans center Chris Myers. Specifically, McGinn reports that the Packers met with Myers’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to discuss Myers.
Wells is 31, but Myers isn’t far behind. He’ll be 31 on September 15. (That’s also Florio Jr.’s birthday. Who is now nearly large enough to play center for the Packers. Or the Texans. Or any other team.)
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The Raiders would be wise to get in the mix for 1 of these guys too.
Switching to a ZBS will require a center that can make the line adjustments.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:50 am
To the defenders of Rapistburger: that’s just gross.
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What is “defending” him?
Someone called him a rapist, and I disagree. I trust the legal system, he was never charged, and calling him a rapist is ridiculous and something Raider “fans” with neck tattoos and can’t name 15 players on the team do.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Kupcheck needs to find a point guard..
March 5th, 2012 at 7:54 am
JFB.. lollol, cant belive you listen to krappy kell
and #533. agree !!
March 5th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Goodstuff Wasbanned.
It’d be nice to have a fallback plan to upgrade over Satele.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Anyone read Peter King’s SI article this morning?
Says in that NFC title game, when Vilma offered 10K to someone to knock out Favre, in the first quarter, Favre handed the ball off, HANDED IT OFF, and Bobby McCray came and hit him in the chin. 15 yard penalty.
There is the proof, that this wasn’t just big LEGAL hits. They were CLEARLY breaking the rules to hurt people, with the bounty program as the ringleader of it.
March 5th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Good Morning Raider Nation! Have a gr8 day!
March 5th, 2012 at 7:59 am
McCray was also fined 20K.
More proof that these guys will sacrifice actually “losing” money on the tradeoff between the fines and the bounty winnings, just to “win” the award and prance around the locker room.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I would say the commissioner disagrees considering the 6 game suspension for Rapstburger, which was light.
Then again he looked at the evidence.
Girl didn’t want to testify. Ample evidence. Try reading JFB, instead of getting neck tattoos and trying to memorize the names of 15 players. Might learn something.
And don’t cry if you can only remember 10.Lots of people can’t remember things.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:06 am
NFLN is replaying the “Tuck Game” right now.
Kind of weird to see a Raider team on the field that was one of the better ones in the league at that time.
That being said, i’m not gonna watch anymore of this.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Ben is the only player under the personal conduct policy to get suspsended without even getting any charges against him.
I think Goodell is racist towards Hungarians.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Lots of people can’t remember things.
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they say that the memory is the second thing to go….
…… cant remember what the first is.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Texans sign Arian Foster to five-year deal
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anybody have these contract #’s yet ???
divide Foster’s contract by ten and thats what we should offer Michael Bush!
March 5th, 2012 at 8:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Kobe Bryant is the NBA’s version of Philip Rivers or Chad OchoCinco. probably a combination of both
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hahaha
You woke up a little too early. Go back to sleep.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am
The Seahawks beat the franchise tag deadline and got a four-year deal done with RB Marshawn Lynch.
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Sad to see the Seachickens & Houston Boots beat the deadline for stud RB’s, but we had to use the tag on safety Tyvon friggin Branch
Come on, Reggie!
March 5th, 2012 at 8:27 am
ust Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Ben is the only player under the personal conduct policy to get suspsended without even getting any charges against him.
I think Goodell is racist towards Hungarians.
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Goodell’s beef with Hungarians is widely known amongst NFL insiders but not many mainstream fans are aware.
If we don’t stand up for them, no one will.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Yeah, I heard a lot of talk about replacing Bush with Marshawn Lynch. X
Wasn’t ever going to happen. Seahawks wanted him too badly.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Five years, $36.25 million for Stevie Johnson
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last two offseasons it seems Buffalo thinks they’ve found another Jim Kelly to Andre Reed connection in Fitzpatrick & Johnson!
expect them to miss the playoffs again this year after Kirk Morrison and Derek Hagan leave to re-sign with Oakland
March 5th, 2012 at 8:29 am
The Bills Stevie Johnson got a 5 year deal from to stay.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Marshawn Lynch agrees to 4 yr deal for 31 million w 17 million guaranteed to avoid having Franchise tag placed on him
March 5th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Arian Foster’s new deal means no way that the Texans can still afford Mario.
C’mon Reggie. Get Mario Williams!
March 5th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Rumor is that if Williams hits the FA waters, the Patriots are going to throw as much money at him as it takes to get him.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am
G123,
we can’t afford to pay Wimbley $11 million and we’re so cap damaged by Al that we may pay the dude $6.5 million to leave.
Mario Williams is gonna want a contract that makes him the league’s highest paid defensive player
Mr. Reality is knocking at the door. Please answer bro
March 5th, 2012 at 8:36 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Five years, $36.25 million for Stevie Johnson
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36M, $19M guaranteed and $24M in the first 3 years.
That’s a lot of dough, for an immature headcase that’s long on boneheaded celebration antics.
Man, if they are giving out that kind of dough, all that bumper crop of FA WR’s is going to be waaaay overpriced. I hope we sign no one. Except Schilens and Hagan on vet minimum deals.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am
G123,
we can’t afford to pay Wimbley $11 million and we’re so cap damaged by Al that we may pay the dude $6.5 million to leave.
Mario Williams is gonna want a contract that makes him the league’s highest paid defensive player
Mr. Reality is knocking at the door. Please answer bro
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I told ya already, I’m waiting on the snooze button till Lebron grows a pair.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Of course the Texans could just franchise Williams, although he would probably be none too pleased with that.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:40 am
bumper crop of FA WR’s is going to be waaaay overpriced. I hope we sign no one. Except Schilens and Hagan on vet minimum deals.
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Can you wake up long enough to pass that paper over here for me to co-sign?
Agreed 100%
March 5th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Mario’s cap number would be 23 mil. They’re not re-signing him.
March 5th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Rumor is that if Williams hits the FA waters, the Patriots are going to throw as much money at him as it takes to get him.
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Cool, JFB
that will ensure Mario never gets a ring
Tom Brady will never see another Super Bowl unless he’s in the stands or watching it on TV – etch it in stone
March 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Elite pass rushers prime years are around 26-28 and don’t start dropping off in production until they hit their mid 30s. Mario is only 27.
Ok, ok, so I’m dreaming. But if Dick Seymour is worth a first rounder and a truckload of money, then Mario Williams is worth double, no triple that.
Only two players in the history of the nfl have recorded more sacks by age 26 than Mario; Dwight
Freeney and Derrick Thomas. The guy is a superstud even with his injuries.
Whoever gets Mario is getting an elite player, make no mistakes about it.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Raider rock star is high on rock comparing Kobe to ocho and phillip rivers.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am
G123,
I’m not hating on Mario Williams!
I just don’t think we can afford him and I don’t think he’d win a ring with New England. that is all
March 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Raider rock star is high on rock
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LOL!
thanks DR55. Happy Monday to you
March 5th, 2012 at 9:03 am
how many gf’s does Kobe have on this blog anyways??
I count 149
March 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am
AND HAPPY MUCKING FUNDAY TO ALL !!!!
March 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
BSJ makes an even 150.
Go Lakers!
March 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
You see LeBron squirming on the floor when he landed on that lil old ladies foot, I would think she would be in more pain but lebran was looking for an excuse to get out of the game, can you blame him he had no one to pass it to, no wade no bosh, lol what a lil biznitch.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am
LeBron is the Assn’s reigning choker now that Iverson is scrubbing toilets.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Possible ‘bounty scandal’ punishments that are being talked about in the media, (Shefter, etc)
–Greg Williams suspended for at least a year (don’t think it’s impossible he’s banned from the NFL)
–The GM and Peyton suspended for 8 games or a year
–Saints lose at least one first, and cap room is reduced as punishment for off-the-books payments
–Not sure how the players will be handled since some of them are on other teams now
March 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am
turkish bball & indoor soccer = “scrubbing toilets” ??
March 5th, 2012 at 9:20 am
@G123
Pete Carmichael Jr. = interim Saints HC?
I don’t think you would suspend a GM for a certain # of games. I would think the Saints organization & Saints GM would both receive seperate fines
March 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Lebron certainly isn’t the only one who does it, but why do all these hoopsters act like they have been shot everytime they go down? They cause a big scene, than just get up after a minute and play on.
They mean-mug for the camera’s everytime the make a big play or a highlight dunk, cover themselves in tattoo’s to look as tough as possible, than squirm on the ground and yelp like a 4 pound dog anytime there is contact near the rim.
Whatever happened to just rub some dirt on it, like baseball players. You aren’t allowed to rub wherever you were hit by the pitch.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 9:20 am
@G123
Pete Carmichael Jr. = interim Saints HC?
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yes, and maybe that’s why he wasn’t anxious to jump ship. He’ll get a shot at OTJ training and building his own resume while Peyton cools off.
I think the GM would be suspended for the entire year w/o pay, and so should Peyton.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Oakland Raiders Article on free agency just posted on USA Tooday
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/03/three-and-out-raiders-free-agency-outlook/1
March 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am
I don’t think Dennis Allen will make a public announcement unless he’s forced to. If he’s forced to, I suspect he’ll play dumb instead of throwing his buddies under the bus
He’ll probably say he’s surprised by the allegations, didn’t see any foul play during his time there and say that the Saints have a classy organization that he had the priviledge to coach for and win a Super Bowl with. He’ll talk up both Peyton & Williams as guys with character that he respects and admires. Say they are top coaches in the league today that he was honored to coach under and he’s so thankful for the opportunity they gave him
March 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
http://deadspin.com/5890499/meet-the-convicted-felon-who-defrauded-the-nfl-made-reggie-bush-ineligible-and-funded-the-saints-bounty-program
Here’s the source behind who blew the lid off of the ‘bounty scandal’
March 5th, 2012 at 9:30 am
I think the GM would be suspended for the entire year w/o pay, and so should Peyton.
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@G123
OK – I thought you were making it sound like a GM gets game checks like a football player. I think he gets paid like any other salaried emplyee in the “real world” because much of the work he does is during the offseason…
March 5th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Sorry for posting this article what a waste of time. Not even worth reading. They did an article on old news and the obvious.
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CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Oakland Raiders Article on free agency just posted on USA Tooday
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/03/three-and-out-raiders-free-agency-outlook/1
March 5th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Dennis Allen was the special teams coach at the time. WHy would you say anything? I expect him to keep his mouth shut about the whole thing. If asked, I would expect him to say, “it is being investigated by the league, no comment.”
March 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I thought Allen was the Secondary coach at that time.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I really don’t get what the big deal is man.
They have always talked about side money for guys who makes big plays.
This is a violent game played by boys in mens bodies people. They would take a guy out the game with a big hit for just their pay.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I thought Allen was the Secondary coach at that time.
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OK, I stand corrected secondary coach, but not head coach or head defensive coach. I would still keep my trap shut.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am
thanks CJL!
Robert Klemko calls these guys “prominent” FA’s ???
RT Khalif Barnes, LB Darryl Blackstock, QB Kyle Boller, RB/ST Rock Cartwright, OLB Quentin Groves, T Stephon Heyer, WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, DE Jarvis Moss, WR Chaz Schilens, DE Trevor Scott, CB Lito Sheppard.
LOL
March 5th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I seriously doubt anyone outside of the Saints will be punished anything more than a fine. It’s not fair to the new franchise to pay for egregious sins of other teams. There’s no way to suspend/dock picks/etc without hurting the franchise itself.
I think Dennis Allen will be made to pay $$$$, but that’s his personal affair between him and Goodell.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Oh boy RR!!!
How will will ever win next year w/o all of those starters. I mean Kyle Boller may have beat out Palmer to start this year. LMAO!!!: )
March 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The big deal is former NFL players are suing the NFL over past injuries, and current players are paying players to hurt other players.
You are circumventing the salary cap, and if you just allow them to pay 10K for hits, what’s to stop them from offering 100K next time?
This is also breaking tax-laws, not a precendant the NFL wants any part of.
And clearly, this wasn’t just “legal” hits. Vilma offered 10K for someone to knock out Favre, and in the first quarter some guy unloaded on him AFTER A HANDOFF!!! He got fined 20K and flagged.
No place in the game for that stuff.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
For what these guys make, $1000 bounties are like friendly side-bets at the poker table. Reality is, this was some kind of macho ego trip and they probably (most of them) were more happy about getting their sideline “ataboys” from teammates and coaches than the pittance payouts.
Still don’t make it right.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
LeBron played good D against Gasol, but I think the key of the game was…why the F was Wade still in there after the first quick 2 fouls? Bosh wouldn’t have made a difference as much as Wade would have within the last 2 minutes…
March 5th, 2012 at 9:46 am
For what these guys make, $1000 bounties are like friendly side-bets at the poker table. Reality is, this was some kind of macho ego trip and they probably (most of them) were more happy about getting their sideline “ataboys” from teammates and coaches than the pittance payouts.
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Agreed 110%.
These are competitive dudes, and want to “win” the prize and prance around the locker room.
Hell when I played JuCo baseball, we used put a few bucks here and there on different batting practice things (hit the screen up the middle, go yard opposite field, etc.) and when someone one, they danced around like they won the lottery.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I think Dennis Allen will be made to pay $$$$, but that’s his personal affair between him and Goodell
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@G123
does somebody have a list of the coaches & players who were all involved? Do they punish everybody?
is the fine more severe for a coach who knew about it, but didn’t say anything to anybody versus a coach that deliberately instructed his players to tee off on opposing players?
I mean, unless somebody points him out saying “Coach Allen told me to do this” or “Coach Allen offered me this” I would assume he’s safe.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Hwndr – All I know is the Lakers have the Heats # and Kobie is in Lebron’s head all day long.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:49 am
All you guys are hypocrites making such a big deal about this bounty, you love the hits you cheer for the hits, but when you see the oposing team layingthere after the hit, that’s the cherry on the top.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
JFB = tiny dancer?
March 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am
does somebody have a list of the coaches & players who were all involved? Do they punish everybody?
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Haven’t seen one yet. This thing is getting bigger every day. But it seems reasonable that the NFL would center around Gregg Williams and his recent past with the Saints. Then they probably perform an investigation of any coaches on the defense/kickoff teams and go from there.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The big deal is former NFL players are suing the NFL over past injuries, and current players are paying players to hurt other players.
You are circumventing the salary cap, and if you just allow them to pay 10K for hits, what’s to stop them from offering 100K next time?
This is also breaking tax-laws, not a precendant the NFL wants any part of.
And clearly, this wasn’t just “legal” hits. Vilma offered 10K for someone to knock out Favre, and in the first quarter some guy unloaded on him AFTER A HANDOFF!!! He got fined 20K and flagged.
No place in the game for that stuff.
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JFB I hear you home team, but don’t you think that is just a litlte far fetched?
I mean really you can’t police all that stuff and I would be surprised if the bets got up to 100K.
Were they really paid to go out and hurt the guy, or in the action of making a good clean hit he gets knocked out the game, oh well. Because that is diffrent than just going at a guys knee or spearing hi with a helmet to the back or head.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am
At most Dennis Allen will have to pay a fine. He wasn’t the ringleader, but he may have participated in it. That would justify a fine, but not a suspension, which would punish the Raiders, who were not involved.
The Saints should lose at least 2 first round draft picks and suffer major fines if the spy gate punishment is used as a starting point. To me, you are trying to hurt players, which is much worse than setting up cameras to get a competitive advantage, so the Saints should be hammered a bit more than the Pats. If the HC knew about it he should be suspended 2-4 games.
Greg Williams, he should be fined and suspended 4-6 games if he was the ringleader.
Just my humble opinion.
March 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
by the way,
Gregg Williams was DC of the Jags in 2008, but he was not responsible for the clothesline Donovan Darius put on Robert Ferguson.
DD’s last year in J-Ville was 2006
March 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
ReggieMc – “Anything I should know about Dennis?”
Coach Allen (unblinking) – “‘Bout what Reg?”
ReggieMc – “So that’s how you’re gonna play it?”
Coach Allen (unblinking) – “‘Bout what Reg?”
ReggieMc – “Withholding from me anything you participated in ain’t gonna work Dennis.”
Coach Allen (unblinking) – “‘Bout what Reg?”
March 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am
At most Dennis Allen will have to pay a fine. He wasn’t the ringleader, but he may have participated in it.
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@Dakota
GW said the same thing. Explained his involvement as something he “took part in” not started
March 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Gregg Williams should be exiled back to whatever Podunk High School he graduated from where he can instill proper sportmanship and honour to impressionable teenagers.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:03 am
602.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am
At most Dennis Allen will have to pay a fine. He wasn’t the ringleader, but he may have participated in it.
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@Dakota
GW said the same thing. Explained his involvement as something he “took part in” not started
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I’ll leave that decision up to the commissioner.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:03 am
hey guys, dont worry
Rolando McClain would never be accused of a vicious hit!!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Gregg Williams should be banned for life.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am
lol lol.. got that right RR . you gotta hit somebody first !!!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:07 am
GW’s entire coaching tree needs to be investigated. Seriously. He’ll be the poster child of how to throw away your career being stupid.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Gregg Williams should be exiled back to whatever Podunk High School he graduated from
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M,
Belton High School (Belton, MO) would gladly take him back !!!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Maybe the problem with the Raiders defense is that as children guys like Slowlando McLazy we taught that even if they lost, they are still winners!!!!!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am
“hey guys, dont worry
Rolando McClain would never be accused of a vicious hit!!”
LMAO
good one!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:10 am
First Coaching Job:
Belton is a city in Cass County, Missouri, and part of the Kansas City metropolitan area. As of the 2000 census, the city had a population of 21,730.
Where he grew up:
Excelsior Springs is a city in Clay and Ray counties in the U.S. state of Missouri. The population was 11,084 at the 2010 census. It is located approximately 30 miles (48 km) northeast of central Kansas City, Missouri.
M was right … Gregg Williams is a Podunker like me !!!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I’d expect that Gregg Williams investigation will kick up dust in Washington and Buffalo, as well as a little on St. Louis (did they not know about his bounty program? or did they hire him b/c of it?).
This is a big ole can of worms.
First action by Goodell needs to be a strong one. Death penalty (career) for GW.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:15 am
LOL @ Dakota
“we’re all winners as long as we try hard” – Hue Jackson
March 5th, 2012 at 10:15 am
da Commish has a simple business decision to make regarding GWilliams.
yes people pay to see hard-hitting mayhem on the field, but more they pay to see Favre and Manning and Warner etc do their thing.
if every game ended up a contest between the likes of Bruce Gradkowski and Tarvaris Jackson league revenues would suffer.
excising GWilliams from the NFL might not clean up unnecessary violence but it would send the proper message.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
First action by Goodell needs to be a strong one. Death penalty (career) for GW.
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G123,
lets be real. GW isn’t the first, he won’t be the last, he wasn’t alone and the players weren’t FORCED into this
but I won’t be surprised if the league makes an example out of him!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am
I really wonder what happened that it was after all these years and after he left NO to St Louis that all of a sudden this Bounty thing came up? Sorry, if it was in the papers, big news, etc, or if it was said before…I apologize, had a long weekend
March 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
First action by Goodell needs to be a strong one. Death penalty (career) for GW.
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G123,
lets be real. GW isn’t the first, he won’t be the last, he wasn’t alone and the players weren’t FORCED into this
but I won’t be surprised if the league makes an example out of him!
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Oh I agree, he’s not the first, not the last, and it’s a violent sport with lots of violent natured people.
Look, in any profession, you have to have some policing authority of the riff-raff to keep them in check & not let them get themselves in trouble. We all have levels of control that watch us. We know what we can get away with and what’s crossing the line.
That requires righteous authority, and when that’s lost, it hurts a lot of people. Some who don’t know any better but to trust their violent instincts. No one is telling them different.
So what if GW isn’t the first or the last? He needs to be expunged from the NFL. He shames the shield every day he is still a part of it. He needs to be a cautionary tale to tell at rookie symposiums.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I would not want to be Gteg Williams right now. That being said I think permanent exile is too harsh. This story is like the little snow ball that goes down the mountain in a cartoon. Will be interesting to see what shakes out.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
*Greg sorry that was “stoopid” as Haze pointed out to me
March 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
This story is huge and it’s only getting bigger. It’s akin to the story of baseball & steroids. On that scale. It’ll be THE story all off-season.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@G123
trade ROMAC for a player with violent instincts on the football field!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am
it is scandalous. just what people love. Williams is screwed big time. Greg (Pete Rose) Williams
March 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am
trade ROMAC for a player with violent instincts on the football field!
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co-sign
March 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Does anyone think Romac can be salvaged by the new regime? Anyone?
March 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Premeditated assault is simple NFL game planning.
Premeditated assault with attempt to injure (with the possibility of career-ending damage) is criminal behaviour that could open NFL corporate to wide-ranging civil lawsuits if the league only does a little wrist-slapping.
The league needs to banish GWilliams or risk lots of litigation.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:34 am
M Lonetree Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Premeditated assault is simple NFL game planning.
Premeditated assault with attempt to injure (with the possibility of career-ending damage) is criminal behaviour that could open NFL corporate to wide-ranging civil lawsuits if the league only does a little wrist-slapping.
The league needs to banish GWilliams or risk lots of litigation.
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Good Points all. Agree!
March 5th, 2012 at 10:34 am
626
Your are right if the word injure comes up he is going down
March 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am
do you guys know what a pirate is or what a pirate does?
have you heard or read “the Autumn Wind”
the Raiders used to have a reputation for being dirty..
now we’re bringing in a bunch of guys from ‘Revenge of the Nerds’ to run the show and us fans complain about signings like Brandon Underwood, even though it’s for the vet minimum and he probably wont even make the team!
Raider Nation is turning into Wimpsville imo
even without the bounties, GW is one of the Top 3 DC’s in the league
GW exiled from the NFL for good would be silly imo. He makes the league more competitive. I myself was intrigued to see what he would do to the Rams dreadful defense
March 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
What kinda bothers me as well about GW’s malevolent deeds, is that it’s so chicken shht. He’s not ever putting his body on the line for retribution, is he? No, he commands these kids to injure others with petty funds while he sits comfortably safe on the sideline.
It’s been said before, and kudos to who said it, but that blow to Peyton’s knee was poetic justice & karma. Too bad GW’s not had to deal with cheap hits himself.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Does anyone think Romac can be salvaged by the new regime? Anyone?
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Attn: JRJ
Raider O, JFB & Jhill
BCZ & Dakota think he’s sucks, but we’re stuck with his contract
I think we could cut bait tomorrow!
Reggie Mac doesn’t have money? He doesn’t have a pot to piss in? Yet he pays Routt $5-11 million to leave. Yet he’s willing to pay Wimbley $6.5 million to leave. He paid Seymour’s $7.5 bonus. He tagged Branch for $6.2 million. He’s gonna target a backup QB & backup RB not named Pryor & Jones (under contract for peanuts).
BigMac will keep the players he wants to keep and kick the rest to the curb… print it
March 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@ RRS,
Seriously, are you just trying to stir the pot?
That’s Raider ball from the 70’s. It’s a different era man. They allowed a lot of cheap hits back then. That was then, this is now. No one is putting on the tutus, but the game has advanced now to the point that these atheletes have tremendous body control and form in making tackles. They know when they are making a clean hit and when they take cheap shots. It’s not that fine a line.
I love ferocious hits, bad, nasty attitude. I love to see players jacked up. We all do. But do it in the course of a play and within the guidelines and I’ll applaud that style of play all day long.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RRS
I just am baffled how a guy with so much potential could suck soooo much and we keep ending up with these clowns. I personally thought he sucked this year but was hoping Reg and Allen could work some magic with him. No matter what I am still concerned he is going to have to pay for the gun incident.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Seriously, are you just trying to stir the pot?
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G123,
I like to look at a subject from all angles. A bunch of Raider fans became fans of ours due to our reputation. that reputation no longer exists. there is no difference between playing for us and any other team now that Al Davis is dead and the league has pvssified the game of football
Any guys we draft this year are gonna know the Raiders as a loser for the last 8-9 years. They aren’t gonna know anything about the good ole days unless they buy the DVD from Raiders.com
March 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Arian Foster – 5 years 43.5 mil. 8.7 annual avg. 20.75mil guaranteed, 30 mil in 1st 3 years.
-Adrian Peterson – 7 years 100 mil. 14.2 annual avg. 36mil guaranteed, 40mil in 1st 3years.
-Chris Johnson – 6 years 56 mil. 9.3 annual avg. 30mil guaranteed, 30mil 1st 3 years.
-DeAngelo Williams – 5 years 43 mil. 8.6 annual avg. 21mil guaranteed, ??? 1st 3 years.
-Marshawn Lynch – 4 years 31mil. 7.75 annual avg. 18mil guaranteed, ??? 1st 3 years.
I’d say Houston is getting a solid deal on Foster’s extension in comparison to recent contracts
March 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Any guys we draft this year are gonna know the Raiders as a loser for the last 8-9 years. They aren’t gonna know anything about the good ole days unless they buy the DVD from Raiders.com
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RRS,
I can tell you as a member of the old guard (4+ decade club) that those were good times. But it’s pointless to live in the past. It was great when we intimidated others, kicked them in the nuts and cockblocked them in the mouth. Those days are over.
March 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I just am baffled how a guy with so much potential could suck soooo much and we keep ending up with these clowns. I personally thought he sucked this year but was hoping Reg and Allen could work some magic with him. No matter what I am still concerned he is going to have to pay for the gun incident.
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ROMAC is Ricky Brown on the field and Pacman Jones off the field
can he get better with age & some coaching ??
Sure, but he’ll have to quit acting like a self entitled d-bag first
March 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am
ShiV he might as well be Ricky Bobby. I am afraid his behavior is gonna bite us in the arse. Hope me aquire an MLB
March 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am
everybody that plays football should sign a waiver that you could get injured. pretty good chance of that happening, actually. these guys make enough to buy health insurance
I mean, isn’t that part of the reason they make so much money ???
nobody else gets to play a game for a living. Making more in 3-10 years of playing football than other people do their entire lives
and when these players hang up the cleats, nothing prevents them from finding work doing something else. go get a friggin degree if you didn’t already take advantage of your non-football opportunities in college
*off my soapbox*
March 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Does anyone think Romac can be salvaged by the new regime? Anyone?
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He needs to simply learn how to shed blocks, stop taking on linemen, and STOP GUESSING ON GAPS… stay on assignment.
These are things he should know coming out of college. Either he is uncoachable, or we have had the wrong DC/Linebackers coaches… that can’t identify problems and how to fix them. Personally I think it should be fixed in the film room… “SEE WHAT YOU DID HERE…. WHY???????” The thing that disturbs me is these are the same exact traits that Morrison did. Is someone TEACHING the MLB this? Or just a horrible coincidence. Watch any long running play given up over the past 6 years and you will see Morrison/McClain taking themselves out of the play for no reason… usually by putting his body into the line instead of staying on assignment and/or creating space to the RB.
Its maddening…
We will find out by game one if the problem is fixable…
March 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I wonder if James Harrision got paid anything for his hits?
I mean he still lays the wood even though he knows how much it cost him it fines.
May be he gets refunded for all of those vicious hits.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I wonder if James Harrision got paid anything for his hits?
I mean he still lays the wood even though he knows how much it cost him it fines.
May be he gets refunded for all of those vicious hits.
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This is what I was thinking. It doesn’t make much sense to go after $1000 skins when there is a danger of a $50K fine. The only thing that makes sense is that the owner is funding the NFL fines under the table. That makes the most sense to me.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am
JC to the Jets ? Might be a good idea for him. Sanchez is garbage.
Still doesn’t mean that JC is starting material.
I’ll say it again for the 200th time – JC is a good teammate and works hard at his craft – but he’s a BOTTOM TIER, mediocre at best, QB.
And yeah, Rockstar – I still rank VY ahead of JC. Heck, I rank a healthy Gradkowski over JC.
In all fairness, JC had some good moments – much better than I thought possible. I thought he played well against Buffalo. His pass on the move to Bush late in the Jet game was beautiful and clutch. His TD toss to Schillens against Houston was another real nice play.
Some nice moments – but not enough to elevate JC above mediocrity. Still far too many WTF moments from JC. Stuff like the slide in Tenn can’t be erased from the memory bank. The Ram game. The SF game. Even last year, the EZ pick against NE. The consistently terribly thrown long balls – out of bounds or way off target. Too much indecision and a proclivity for checking down. The constant wasting of time outs and inability to effectively run the no huddle.
And there’s also a surfacing durability issue that clouds JC’s viability as a starter.
Good luck JC, and thanks for helping right the ship after the JaMoron debacle.
Time to move on…
DUMP SLOWLANDO !
March 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Nick Saban proclaimed that Rolando McClain was one of the smartest players he ever coached, and he’s absolutely right. Ever since
Rolando McClain is headed to the NFL
he stepped on campus, McClain called the signals for the defense and became a film junkie.
All the hard work McClain put in paid off even more this season as he led Alabama with over 100 tackles and was awarded the Butkus Award for the Nation’s top linebacker, and named an All American for the first time.
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I think someone must of stole the real McClain and given the Raiders a gangster doppelganger…We had such high expectations that we got a real football player and not a combine freak..
March 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am
I’ll say it again for the 200th time – JC is a good teammate and works hard at his craft – but he’s a BOTTOM TIER, mediocre at best, QB.
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agree with assessment, but I’ve seen him called at least 200 times “JaJason”. That doesn’t seem to mesh with being ‘mediocre’, does it? Or am I misunderstanding the meaning of “JaJason”?
March 5th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I’ll say it again for the 200th time – JC is a good teammate and works hard at his craft – but he’s a BOTTOM TIER, mediocre at best, QB.
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agree with assessment, but I’ve seen him called at least 200 times “JaJason”. That doesn’t seem to mesh with being ‘mediocre’, does it? Or am I misunderstanding the meaning of “JaJason”?
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Did you read the whole post? Here I will highlight a section for you…
“In all fairness, JC had some good moments –
much better than I thought possible.
I thought he played well against Buffalo. His pass on the move to Bush late in the Jet game was beautiful and clutch. His TD toss to Schillens against Houston was another real nice play.”
March 5th, 2012 at 11:24 am
think someone must of stole the real McClain and given the Raiders a gangster doppelganger…We had such high expectations that we got a real football player and not a combine freak..
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It seemed like his aloofness and pompous nature were the trademark of a “real football” player. He fooled everyone. I don’t see a commitment to his craft. If he’s got any heart, I’m sure Dennis Allen will test it. If he’s a punk collecting a paycheck, Reggie Mac will find a way to ship him down the road STAT.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I still rank VY ahead of JC. Heck, I rank a healthy Gradkowski over JC.
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LOL, good morning RM99!
way to come in here with a bang
March 5th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Romac did suplex that te from jets and tried to kill sprolls his rooke yr, he does have some killer instinct but he is still young, he is decent in cvrg and has a huge body so with better coaches and scheme Plus a new hog I know mccenzie will line up in front of romac this guy will turn it around.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:32 am
It seemed like his aloofness and pompous nature were the trademark of a “real football” player. He fooled everyone. I don’t see a commitment to his craft. If he’s got any heart, I’m sure Dennis Allen will test it. If he’s a punk collecting a paycheck, Reggie Mac will find a way to ship him down the road STAT.
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G123 gets it!!
March 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am
guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
For what these guys make, $1000 bounties are like friendly side-bets at the poker table. Reality is, this was some kind of macho ego trip and they probably (most of them) were more happy about getting their sideline “ataboys” from teammates and coaches than the pittance payouts.
Still don’t make it right.
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Kind of dumb to risk a $20k fine to collect a $10k bounty.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am
DR55,
McCrohns has like 3 or 4 good plays in his first two years. about 30 or 40 bad plays and about 250 average plays.
basically not what you expect from a Top 10 draft pick who was the most NFL ready of anybody in his draft class. can’t miss pick. film room junkie. smartest player Saban coached, bla bla bla
bottom line = he’s not meeting expectations. He’s not living up to the contract. He’s more of a liability than an asset
March 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Kind of dumb to risk a $20k fine to collect a $10k bounty.
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Yep, and it only points to team management paying the bigger NFL fines.
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Michael Ornstein is the name to know. As first reported by CBS’s Mike Freeman, Ornstein—a close friend and confidant of Sean Payton—Ornstein on at least four occasions pledged his own money to the Saints’ defense’s bounty fund. In 2009, $10,000 toward knocking an opposing quarterback out of the game. In 2011, two separate contributions to targeting the quarterback. And on at least one other occasion, Ornstein pledged his money in an email to Payton, which spelled out the details of the bounty program.
The NFL knows this because it has that email, a highly incriminating paper trail that makes it impossible for Payton to argue his innocence, or for the Saints to claim the bounty never left the locker room. It might be the single most damaging piece of evidence, based solely on Ornstein’s history.
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March 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
652, in other words, you are allowed to be a cold indifferent jerk to the fans and media if you wanna be, but perform like Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis and all is forgiven. But if you don’t back up the tough guy attitude, you’re a drain on the roster and a card carrying scholarship.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
G123,
Michael Ornstein = this guy ???
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-ornsteinguiltyplea100510
March 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am
G123,
Michael Ornstein = this guy ???
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/11/former_reggie_bush_marketing_a.html
March 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am
DOES ANYONE THINK THE PLAYER’S DONT KNOW WHO THE CHEAP-SHOT ARTIST ARE ? LET THE PLAYERS TAKE CARE OF IT..
March 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am
543.djohnnyg Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 8:06 am
NFLN is replaying the “Tuck Game” right now.
Kind of weird to see a Raider team on the field that was one of the better ones in the league at that time.
That being said, i’m not gonna watch anymore of this.
^^^^^^^^
Don’t bother watching that rigged BS game.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am
“bottom line = he’s not meeting expectations. He’s not living up to the contract. He’s more of a liability than an asset”
This is true!
March 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@ 655 & 656 yes that guy. Sean Peyton should know better than confide in a known felon.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Looks like the Saints have not been so “Saintly” have they?
They have affected by the Black Magic of the Buyou! LOL
March 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am
LMAO @ Dallas Cowboys for tagging Anthony Spencer. No way is he franchise worthy and he’s going to cost them $9M/year if they don’t do a deal.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:53 am
in other words, you are allowed to be a cold indifferent jerk to the fans and media if you wanna be, but perform like Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis and all is forgiven. But if you don’t back up the tough guy attitude, you’re a drain on the roster and a card carrying scholarship
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G123,
Lewis, Willis & Urlacher are studs.
what about Lofa Tatupu or DeMeco Ryans?
what about Jon Beason or Jerod Mayo?
what about Jonathan Vilma or London Fletcher?
what about E.J. Henderson or A.J. Hawk?
what about Bart Scott or James Farrior?
ROMAC isn’t in the same universe as these cats …
remember Zach Thomas, Al Wilson, Jeremiah Trotter & Antonio Pierce?
ROMAC isn’t in the same universe as those cats either!!
March 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am
I am sure this has been happening for years inside locker rooms for many teams not just the Saints.
The big question to me is why would you risk getting a $20,000 fine for knocking a guy out to get a $1,000 bonus from the bounty gang.
I don’t care how competitive you are money is money and no one is giving it away.
March 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Looks like the Saints have not been so “Saintly” have they?
They have affected by the Black Magic of the Buyou!
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@DK007
somebody got drunk and spilled the beans @ Mardi Gras!?!
March 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am
666
March 5th, 2012 at 11:56 am
667
March 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Steve an Jer,
New Post! Please! We’re dyin’ in here! Really it’s getting bad in here.
Help us out, please!
March 5th, 2012 at 11:58 am
gotta meeting in 5 min
Titans safety Michael Griffin tagged
Broncos tagged the kicker, LOL
March 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Dave McGinnis will serve as DC for the Rams if Gregg Williams is suspended … another terrible season coming!
March 5th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Really, dig something up like mark having a clandestine meeting with new hair stylistic to discuss strategies, or even run a story on all the different pets the people in the front office have, or any new diet plans for Reggie or……. Anything!!
Please help us out here!
March 5th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The Washington Redskins were not a playoff team last season, and not even close to a playoff team. But head coach Mike Shanahan has defended his team’s offense as “playoff-caliber.”
Shanahan gave an interview to the Redskins’ website in which he was asked what improvements he needs to make for the Redskins to have a playoff-caliber offense. Shanahan responded that they’re already there.
“Well, I think we were a playoff-caliber offense this year,” Shanahan said. “But we didn’t have the depth that you need to go through a season. You can’t lose your left tackle, your left guard, your center. You can’t lose your starting running back and tight end, especially your tight end that’s your best blocker in Chris Cooley. And then you lose Santana Moss for four or five games, and a guy like [Leonard] Hankerson who finally gets ready, he goes down. And it’s just part of football. There’s no excuses. But what you have to do is you have to build your football team, where you can lose three or four guys on offense, you can lose three or four guys on defense, you’re deep enough to still win football games. And that is what great organizations do.”
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Shanny playing the “what if” game.
Pretty sure the Raiders would have had a playoff calibur defense (if healthy) too!
March 5th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
BBL
March 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
625.jesusraiderjim Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Does anyone think Romac can be salvaged by the new regime? Anyone?
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No I personally do not think McClain can be salvaged. And as a matter of fact if I was Mark I would have released McClain after the “incident” in ALA.
1. McClain isn’t intelligent enough to be “Captain” of the defense. His substandard performance on field notwithstanding, McClain’s presence in the gunplay in ALA placing a $23M guaranteed money contract in jeopardy is proof of his lack of intelligence.
2. McClain has done little to justify meeting the requirments to play in the NFL. He is too slow, out of position, cartwheels through the air while opponents run right by him. Great college performance and skills don’t necessarily translate to the NFL.
3. McClain’s attitude, arrogant and surly, is what doomed him at the NFL level. One can’t perform insubstantially and then be a jackass to his fans, without paying the price.
4. Hopefully, the justice system in ALA will imprison McClain and take care of our problem with him for us.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
LAKE SHOW HOMIES STAND UP N REPRESENT
The tune-up for our march to yet another Purple & Gold Championship Banner @ Staples – the world’s hoops mecca – continues!
This time we “Turned the Heat into Dog Meat” (patent pending, oh yeah)
D Wade was more like D Fade and LeBron was more like YoWrong (need to get patents pending on both of those gems)
Today the Beach Dawg is working on mo fresh reggae jamnations with his hot new side project, Rasta Ganja.
We’ve got 2 killer shows booked this weekend in San Diego, one is VIP only in our hotel suite, the other is at this very classy seafood establishment in Mission Beach.
Crab claws in the house, y’all
Gonna get baked and write some lyrics while Rasta Ganja tunes up. That usually takes 40 mins so my lyrics should be extra IRIE, MON
BOB MARLEY JAMAICAN BROTHER OF MINE, FELLOW SOUL SURFER
March 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Al davis used to tell players to do whatever it takes to take out a qb, and not to worry about the fines, cause he’d pay um.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
I am surprised big Rich never slapped mcclain around and tell him to pull his head out , no real leader on the D to set the bar, wtf.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Well Romac has played slower than his first year (still like the blow-up of sproles). But we should note that he played injured this year unlike Dmac the other irishman on the team.
Lets give him give him the benefit of the doubt, he was, after all, playing for Chucky ‘defense killa’ Bresnahan. Admit that the entire defense regressed under Brez. Also, his contract is not radio-active like Wimbley’s and he’s YOUNG he can potentially learn alot from our Defense oriented coahc.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Wonder if the Saints had some kind of anti-bounty on Beast Mode when he made his legendary Richter Scale TD run in the playoffs.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
He’s 22 yo. He’s supposed to be quick and spry. He’s not on the downside of his career. If anything, he should be flying around to the ball. His play has the look of someone running barefoot in sand. It shouldn’t matter who the DC is. Effort wasn’t there, or sadly maybe talent wasn’t ever there.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
If Romac doesn’t activate properly ReggieMc can take him out behind the wood shed and go old school on him.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
The Raiders have always tried to crack skulls.. The only reason this bounty system is a problem, is because he named current players, coaches and the amount being bet.. IRS ..
Now goodell has to do something..
March 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
are you guys trying to say RoMac couldnt catch a fat girl in a phone booth ???
March 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RoMac couldn’t outrun Rich Eisen in a 40 yard dash.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I will never understand the point in debating 1st or 2nd yr players getting cut..
March 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
One OK rookie year; and one injured slower year, for Romac. The jury is still out.
As for Wimbley I would not worry one-bit if we had to cut the dude. He is due like 29 million! see cork’s post.
29 Million! For what! like the late Al Davis said, I could get two or three playas for that amount.
Where was the so called “pressure” that he caused during games where QBs were driving thru us like a hot-knife to win games over and over. ONE SACK of Tebow, Fitzpatrick, Stafford, or Rivers (oakland game, against starting LT), ONLY ONE friggin sack and were in the playoffs.
WIMBLEY IS NO REGGIE WHITE. 29 million$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$???????????? Heck No
March 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
R8ER MIKE,
oh he’d catch her alright…after she got four yards away from the booth.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
The Raiders have always tried to crack skulls.. The only reason this bounty system is a problem, is because he named current players, coaches and the amount being bet.. IRS ..
Now goodell has to do something..
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Not to mention that aggravated assault is also illegal. The states and local DA’s would like to hear more details as well.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Wimbley is definitely an “outta wack” contract. But if he restructures, he could be a nice 3-4 LB to have. If he doesn’t budge, then yeah Reggie has to cut him.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Romac was injured, at least he had the heart to go out there and try, unlike Darren Prima Mc Donna. And guess what, the Defense was EVEN WORSE we Romac was not on the field!
March 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 11:54 am
I am sure this has been happening for years inside locker rooms for many teams not just the Saints.
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Like I said before little bounties have been happening in the NFL for years.
The Saints bounty program and pool just got out of control wild and they got caught!
March 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Good day nation! Dennis Allen will not suffer any suspension, Greg Williams will be the fall guy.
So I hear Wimbley is willing to restructure but not take a pay cut. BYE! Where do you think he will end up? Fat BW thinks SD or KC will pursue him. I could see SD but I don’t think the chefs. 8 days and counting…
March 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
688. The way the world is going I wouldn’t be surprised if they did find a way to prosecute players for trying to hurt each other in a sport where violense is the point…
March 5th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Heck, Wimbley didn’t even need to sack the QB for us to win any-one of those games–all he needed to do was disrupt the pass! ONE DISRUPTION and we are in the playoffs! And Kameron couldn’t do it! Reggie White would alwas come up with disruption at the key moments. IF Kam would have played like White this last year and emerged as a leader on this Defense, then I would be perfectly fine to give him the big money. But bottom line he do ish.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
And guess what, the Defense was EVEN WORSE we Romac was not on the field!
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True, but when McClain got hurt it was a 3rd/4th string linebacker that was playing, remember Goethel and Ricky Brown got injured again, what a surprise.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
oh he’d catch her alright…after she got four yards away from the booth.
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now thats some funny sh1t !!!
sad but true, and funny as he11 !!!
March 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I say fine GW. And ban the snitch for life..
March 5th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
And in the announcement to ban the snitch, I would call him a fegg..
March 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
The Raiders and OLB Kamerion Wimbley are not close to an agreement on contract restructuring, according to Len Pasquarelli of The Sports Exchange.
Although agent Joe Linta insists the two sides “continue to work hard to make it work,” Pasquarelli sets the odds at “perhaps a bit less” than 50-50 that Wimbley returns to Oakland. He would have to take a substantial pay cut to do so, an unlikelihood with the potential of breaking the bank on the open market.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3685&line=228941&spln=1
March 5th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
688. The way the world is going I wouldn’t be surprised if they did find a way to prosecute players for trying to hurt each other in a sport where violense is the point…
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“Boxers prosecuted for trying to ‘Hurt’ Their Opponents”
Said one Boxer “My coach said I would get paid more money if I Knocked-Out my opponent. I had to snitch to the authorities. I mean no one wants to get hurt, we just want to get thru a boxing match playing clean.”
March 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
692.Carl Weathers Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Good day nation! Dennis Allen will not suffer any suspension, Greg Williams will be the fall guy.
So I hear Wimbley is willing to restructure but not take a pay cut. BYE! Where do you think he will end up? Fat BW thinks SD or KC will pursue him. I could see SD but I don’t think the chefs. 8 days and counting…
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I just don’t understand what the problem is with Wimbley, his agent and Chubby Mck.
Wimbley is due make 6.5 million base and if he is on roster in two weeks another 6 million?
McK should negotiate with the agent and say we want Wimb to be a team player and restructure his contract and in the restructure, he get can still get his 6.5 million base this year, and then the team can give him say another 3 million at the end of the season if he hits a performance incentive goal of say 10 or 11 sacks or more. If hits the incentive bonus goal, then he gets paid at the end of the season instead of getting paid now, to help the team out with the cap.
Whether Wimbley gets paid 10 million total at the end of the year is up to him and his performance and he still gets a good 6.5 million up front this year.
That sounds like a fair deal to me.
Simple.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
On Next Tuesday, March 6, 2012 @ 5:30pm, the Oakland City Council will meet. The last item on their agenda sometime after 6:30pm is to vote on whether to pay the Developers & the Environmental Impact Report for “Coliseum City”, the new stadiums for the Warriors, A’s & RAIDERS as well as a Mall and Business Park next to the Oakland Air Port. Oakland has the oldest professional sports stadiums in the country & if new ones are not built than all 3 Pro-Sports teams may leave Oakland by 2017.
But they are more than sports teams to Oakland & Alameda Co. They are an industry that employs 1000s of people & raise $100,000s of charity $’s for our city every year. Our pro athletes visit sick children in the hospital every week, but most of all the Pro-sport team advertise our city to the world & give people another image of Oakland besides the former murder capital of the world. If all 3 teams left Oakland, 111 year tradition of Pro-sports in Oakland would be gone forever, & it would be sad & devastating to Oakland. If you want the A’s, Warriors & Raiders to stay in Oakland, come to the Oakland City Council meeting next Tuesday in the City Council Chambers, – 3rd Floor at Oakland City Hall, located at 1 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza, Oakland, California 94612. Wear A’s, Warriors & Raiders Colors & let the city council know that you want your teams to stay & contribute to our community.
Check out this link to watch last weeks city council meeting about Coliseum City
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20762899
March 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Can’t wait to hear some good news about a free agent acquisition.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
And guess what, the Defense was EVEN WORSE we Romac was not on the field!
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True, but when McClain got hurt it was a 3rd/4th string linebacker that was playing, remember Goethel and Ricky Brown got injured again, what a surprise.
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Yeah that was another issue with HueJax, broke the bank to offensive help, but neglected the Defensive personnel.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@ 702
I would love to see an Oakland live. So many games with homies or my girl, and afterwards we just want a convenient place to chill before we head out, recap etc. But the area is an indutrial waste land(see the toxic barrels as you cross the bridge to Bart). You’d have to figure that land is cheap and that an investor could capitialize on havind 60-some thousand people within walking distance. Not to mention the Warrior/A’s crowds.
Went to a couple lakers games and shows at staples in LA, and it was cool just to grab dinner or hitup a bar before lining up for entrance.
March 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Time for a new post Steve. Been almost four days. Let’s pick up the pace there a bit…
March 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
gotta get to 1500 before they will post again !!!
March 5th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Young adults today don’t understand the importance of preserving old blue collar cities like Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, etc. Can’t blame them. They grew up in a world of “I want it now” self gratification. They don’t understand tradition. It’s just not part of their make up. Everything is digital and disposable in their world.
March 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Romac could out run Vonte Burfict, ha ha.
March 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
702.cfrylopez Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
On Next Tuesday, March 6, 2012 @ 5:30pm, the Oakland City Council will meet. The last item on their agenda sometime after 6:30pm is to vote on whether to pay the Developers & the Environmental Impact Report for “Coliseum City”, the new stadiums for the Warriors, A’s & RAIDERS as well as a Mall and Business Park next to the Oakland Air Port. Oakland has the oldest professional sports stadiums in the country & if new ones are not built than all 3 Pro-Sports teams may leave Oakland by 2017.
But they are more than sports teams to Oakland & Alameda Co. They are an industry that employs 1000s of people & raise $100,000s of charity $’s for our city every year. Our pro athletes visit sick children in the hospital every week, but most of all the Pro-sport team advertise our city to the world & give people another image of Oakland besides the former murder capital of the world. If all 3 teams left Oakland, 111 year tradition of Pro-sports in Oakland would be gone forever, & it would be sad & devastating to Oakland. If you want the A’s, Warriors & Raiders to stay in Oakland, come to the Oakland City Council meeting next Tuesday in the City Council Chambers, – 3rd Floor at Oakland City Hall, located at 1 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza, Oakland, California 94612. Wear A’s, Warriors & Raiders Colors & let the city council know that you want your teams to stay & contribute to our community.
Check out this link to watch last weeks city council meeting about Coliseum City
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20762899
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I have had some informative email exchanges with some of the Oakland City Council members the last couple of weeks.
I am confident they will be voting YES and moving forward to pay the Developers & the Environmental Impact Report for “Coliseum City”, for the new stadiums for the Warriors, A’s & RAIDERS as well as the Mall and Business Park next to the Oakland Air Port.
They really have no choice, but to vote YES. If all of those pro sports teams leave the area. It would be absolutely DISASTROUS for the city of Oakland and that pocket area of Alameda County.
March 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
705.raidertalk Says:
March 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@ 702
I would love to see an Oakland live. So many games with homies or my girl, and afterwards we just want a convenient place to chill before we head out, recap etc. But the area is an indutrial waste land(see the toxic barrels as you cross the bridge to Bart). You’d have to figure that land is cheap and that an investor could capitialize on havind 60-some thousand people within walking distance. Not to mention the Warrior/A’s crowds.
Went to a couple lakers games and shows at staples in LA, and it was cool just to grab dinner or hitup a bar before lining up for entrance.
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Exactly! They need to make Coliseum City and renovate and redevelop that whole area like they did the Staples and Nokia Centers in that part of DTown LA.
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