Palmer joins Seymour, Huff as restructures
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, March 8th, 2012 at 6:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Add quarterback Carson Palmer to the list of Raiders players who have restructured their contracts to help get the team below the NFL salary cap.
The club announced on its Twitter account Thursday that Palmer, along with defensive tackle Richard Seymour and safety Michael Huff, had restructured their contracts.
The salary cap is expected to be in the $120 million range when announced early next week. The Raiders, according to various reports, have been anywhere from $10 million to $20 million over the cap.
The Huff and Seymour restructures reportedly saved the Raiders more than $11 million against the cap. Palmer was due a $12.5 million salary, a figure that was likely slashed with money in the form of a roster bonus added with a possible extension. For bookkeeping purposes, that drops the cap number because bonus money is prorated over the life of the contract.
Still to be determined is the status of outside linebacker and nickel rusher Kamerion Wimbley, who is due $6.5 million in guaranteed money this season and $11 million in all.
If the Raiders desire to actually cut Wimbley’s payout, it’s possible the man who has 16 sacks over the past two seasons could end up being released and on the open market when the free agency period begins next Tuesday.
Another potential restructure could be linebacker Aaron Curry, who almost certainly won’t play for his existing $5.75 million salary in 2012 but has expressed a desire to remain a Raider.
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March 8th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Thanks Carson!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
2nd
March 8th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
http://www.freepriesttjnow.org
March 8th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Good job Carson!! Now it’s Curry, Kam probably will be cut!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Another sign of leadership.
March 8th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Yup, looks like Kam is gone. Wasn;t sure if there would be teams interested in paying him 10s of millions but Schefter says theres 5-6
March 8th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Report from Donktown:
It’s hilarious listening to all the Country Donkey fans talk about signing Peyton. No way he will play here!!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RNS says Jarvis Moss says “it doesn’t look good.” as far as staying a Raider
Have a good night Nation!~
March 8th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Carson, just came to the realization that if Peyton could be cut anyone could be.
March 8th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Hawaiian, I could see another restructure and a cut or two!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
go Reggie!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I hope we keep curry tho!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I’m telling ya I like this Carson Palmer dude!
March 8th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Either Curry or Wimbley will be cut, and the other will restructure. Henderson, Eugene, and Johnson will be cut. After that the Raiders will be under the cap.
March 8th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
YA, enough to make one good FA signing and one mediocre!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
If they really want to be a raider they’ll restructure. If not get out of town. There will be a lot of good free agents to replace them.
March 8th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
For the first time in a long time us Raider fans can say there is change happening. Good Job Reggie
March 8th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Jerry McDonald
In case it wasn’t already absurdly obvious, restructuring Palmer means . . . drumroll please . . . no Peyton Manning.
10 minutes ago from TweetDeck
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So could we please stop with the “PEYTON’S COMING HERE! nonsense? No, he isn’t.
March 8th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I hear ya, Ray…I hope Curry is next!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Can we restructure Corkran’s conract? That guy is way over payed.
March 8th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Palmer joins Seymour, Huff as restructures Add quarterback Carson Palmer to the list of Raiders players who have restructured their contracts to help get the team below the NFL salary cap. [...]
March 8th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Work it out Raiders! It’s all gonna be ok
Greetings to my Raider family! Wassup Hwnrdr! That schedule comes out next month.
Out here enjoying the mild winter and getting ready for my softball season-which runs all the way until NFL Training camp opens.
One Nation/Raider Nation!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
It’s hilarious listening to all the Country Donkey fans talk about signing Peyton. No way he will play here!!
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Just curious… why do you say that??
I think Denver is top 3 or 4 choices, and with 50 mill under the cap, may be the leader in the Manning sweepstakes. He’s got to be salivating at basically building a team around him of his choice… “Gimmee Wallace… Gimmee…”
March 8th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
No way Peyton was coming here….Go Palmer…can’t wait for the 2012 season to show everyone a top 5 QB leading our O to to heights not seen in a long time! And the Playoffs too!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’m of two minds re Peyton maybe going to Denver:
1) On the one hand, a major rival would get a huge upgrade at QB from Tebow of Nazareth. If healthy, Peyton’s got all the QB skills that Tebow will never have.
2) On the other hand, Peyton’s 36 years old and just coming off his fourth neck surgery in two years. He’s had problems with the nerves regenerating, which means his arm strength and accuracy could be dodgy. In addition, there will be a good year and 1/2 of rust to shake off, and he’ll be going to a new system with mostly new players. All the discord would be bad for Denver, which means good for us.
Also, a lot of people have wondered if Denver’s not bringing Peyton solely to have an excuse to show Tebow the door. Their offense will be permanently stuck in 1940s mode as long as he’s behind center. If Tebow is traded and Peyton gets hurt again, the entire franchise will be in disarray. Again, good for us.
March 8th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Faux John Madden @FauxJohnMadden Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Carson Palmer restructures contract marking a rare moment in which Palmer helps out his own team and not the opposition.
March 8th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
21. Always looking for new Raider sites and info. Wish this was more than a link to other tinks…like right back to here. *ugh*
Go Raiders!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
I say that because Peyton wants to play either In a dome or in warm weather. I say that because Denver’s defense needs a lot of work. Houston or Miami is where Peyton will end up.
March 8th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RAIDERS are doing some nice things , I think with these 3 restructures and cutting of wimbly should get us under the cap n we can get even more under the cap with cuttin of hendu, cj n prolly boss who we can afford to let go with emergence of our other young TE’s I think with a good backup RB , n a veteran WR who will come cheap n couple of lineman will set our O for the season .,
On D we should b set on DLINE Even with losing wimbly since we will get Shonasty back but wouldn’t hurt to add a hybrid type who can play elephant position n rush with hands down too n also a true linebacker to start at WLB n a few Secondary players
March 8th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Great job by Steve and Jerry Mac in the off season no less!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
CODE BLACK
March 8th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Ravenaider Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Work it out Raiders! It’s all gonna be ok
Greetings to my Raider family! Wassup Hwnrdr! That schedule comes out next month.
Out here enjoying the mild winter and getting ready for my softball season-which runs all the way until NFL Training camp opens.
One Nation/Raider Nation!
What’s up, Ravenaider! Long time, bro! Yup, schedule comes out next month…hoping that Ravens game is at a good time…would love to be there to meet up with you and to meet R8RMIKE…lol
March 8th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
28. Peyton wants another ring. Alot closer to that in Miami, amybe Ari than Denver.
Hes got money. Ari’s got Larry Fitz, Miami’s got Brandon Marshall. Denvers got…someone decent but not a Pro Bowler
Have a good night Nation!~
March 8th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Let’s get this free agency started n see where we stand before draft time I know we don’t have many picks but I could see some picks acquired via trading players or trading away few picks from next years draft
March 8th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
No matter where Peyton goes , our O will be the scariest in the whole league top 8 QB in Palmer , Top3 RB in McFadden who will finally stay healthy , young emerging speedy wide receivers, emerging TE’s n a very solid Line name a team that can claim to b above average at all those positions ..none out there
Now with just a few pieces added to the Defense puzzle we should be atlases above average on D .. We are destined to b in playoffs next year n hopefully in SUPERBOWL as well
March 8th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
@Hwnrdr!
Yeah yeah…hope its a prime time event and “early” in the season before it gets to cold. Also,have to plot 2 games out there this year in addition to the Atlanta game!
March 8th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Code black x 2
March 8th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Can we get the season started already
March 8th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Look, few Raiders fans want to admit this, but they’re going to be taking a page from 49ers this year in FA. Allen said as much at combine.
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Forty-Niners style last year, set price, don’t go beyond it, look for second-tier FAs that fit a system. Expect Raiders to operate that way.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RAIDERS will make the playoffs this year
..Can I get CODE BLACK ?
March 8th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Code Black is dead.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
28/43 2 Td’s 417 yds.
There was ONE player who brought it when the season was on the line for the Raiders to make the playoffs:
And what does he get?
Villified by the fans who are used to soooo much better.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Code Black!!!! With sirens blaring an flashing lights!!!!!
March 8th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Cool cool cool. Hope this opens up some cash for free agents.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
True Dat, Dakota!
March 8th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Sign Mario Williams.
Code black with sirens & flashing lights!!
March 8th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Very good news. Without a doubt some of the players have a good vibe about the SNB. Good news indeed.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
http://www.freepriesttjnow.org
Code Black is back. Reggie and Allen are all business. Mark feels good about the money he is spending and saving. It’s all good. Yeah baby!
March 8th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I still doubt the reports that we were 25 million over the cap. I think we may be surprised by how much room we have to add some legit football players.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Forty-Niners style last year, set price, don’t go beyond it, look for second-tier FAs that fit a system. Expect Raiders to operate that way.
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This is exactly what I said a few days ago. I’m actually looking forward to this approach.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Tomlinson as our new backup rb?
March 8th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Hes got money. Ari’s got Larry Fitz, Miami’s got Brandon Marshall. Denvers got…someone decent but not a Pro Bowler
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Both Denver and KC has enough cap space to bring in BOTH Jackson and Colston after Manning signs. Hell they could prolly sign every top free agent available… Finnigan, Williams, Nicks… you name it.
It would be like the Florida Marlins of the NFL.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Love it!
March 8th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Redoing those scholarships…
March 8th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Manning will be a Dolphin come this season.
1. He got a home in Florida , so he will be close to home
2. He would want to play for a team that had good D
3. Miami got a game in Indy , so he would want to go there n play infront of his fans again n show them he’s still got it
March 8th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
4. He would love to go against Tom Brady twice a year
March 8th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Tomlinson as our new backup rb?
LOL, now wouldn’t that be ironic?
March 8th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
We don’t need Manning. We got CP3 and JC as a #2. Got the best WRs’ in the NFL. Our GM & HC know what they’re doing. All the pieces are coming together. Coach Davis left this organization in good hands. He knew what he was doing before he passed away. Mark was schooled well by his father, and Mr. Silver can suck on purple balls and a limp good bar.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I have a feeling he’s going to get hurt again. I say let a glam franchise like Miami shell out for him. I have a good feeling about the most they’ll get out of it is season ticket sales. The Colts are not a dumb organization. I have a feeling that if they really thought Manning was going to win another Super Bowl, they would have gave him that money due to him and secured him. I mean that. Like Brien means it when he says Forrest Gump is his favorite movie, ever.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
If manning wants to win a sb he will sign with the jets or 49ers. Houston would be good too, but they allegedly have cap problems.
Anywhere else means he is just playing for money.
March 8th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Dakota do you watch eastbound and down?
March 8th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I have in the past but I can’t seem to watch this season.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
“Both Denver and KC has enough cap space to bring in BOTH Jackson and Colston after Manning signs. Hell they could prolly sign every top free agent available… Finnigan, Williams, Nicks… you name it.
It would be like the Florida Marlins of the NFL.”
But their owners are cheap and will pocket the money instead.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1096003-nfl-rumors-oakland-raiders-likely-to-release-lb-kamerion-wimbley
If KW doesn’t want to re-do his dollars, then he probably ain’t got Raidah in his heart. We need playahs who got Raidah heart. It’s that simple.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I am trying to get into the new hbo show luck, but I am still on the fence with that one.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I got HBO last month just to watch Kenny Powers!
March 8th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
57.hwnrdr Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Tomlinson as our new backup rb?
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I don’t think there’s enuff $ in the world that would get Tomlinson to come to Oakland.
He’s a dik.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1057420-4-surprise-nfl-teams-wholl-crash-the-playoffs-next-season
Oh hell yes, Raidahs will crash the playoffs and mo next season.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
JMOSS @MoSSwag94
Hmm would love to be in wit the Nation another year but not lookin likely! #GodsHands
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Guess Moss sees something that we haven’t yet. I thought he’d most likely stick. Guess I was wrong.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Hey Wimbley. Restructure, my ass.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/07/BAS81NGV7T.DTL
I guess when the City of Oakland saw the Raidahs gettin after it business style, they figured they’d better sh1t or get off the pot. Things are gonna get movin and Oakland is gonna be at the forefront again. New sports complex is gonna be magnificent. I’m excited for this new complex.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Lol, the city barely plunked down 3.5 million to look into plans and you think they are going to build some expensive complex?
Lol
Denial.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
If the Jets dump Sanchez or the Cowboys dump Romo, we have got to grab them up in a heartbeat for our backup QB. How sweet would that be to have either one of those guys for our number two. Stranger things have happened. It’s a wait and see.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Sanchez might be a backup but not Romo..
March 8th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
I have a feeling that romo might get another shot at starting, and I am willing to bet Sanchez isn’t ready to become a backup either.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Manning is staying in the east. How any could think he was going to Denver or KC is beyond me. Also, he’ll stay where it is warm since he is used to a stadium with a ceiling.
To acquire Manning is a huge risk, unless he agrees to an injury contingency so that if he can’t play again due to his injury, or he is re-injured in the neck and lost for season, his contract is pro-rated against the games he played.
We all know that won’t happen.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
69.JB Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
JMOSS @MoSSwag94
Hmm would love to be in wit the Nation another year but not lookin likely! #GodsHands
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Guess Moss sees something that we haven’t yet. I thought he’d most likely stick. Guess I was wrong.
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Yeah. I’d like to know why he’s so sure he’s out.
He’s not making much $ is he?
Interesting.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
The city of Oakland is allocating $1.6 million to pay a development team led by JRDV Architects, Forest City Enterprises and HKS Sports and Entertainment to begin talks with the teams and determine the viability of new facility!
March 8th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Lol, the city barely plunked down 3.5 million to look into plans and you think they are going to build some expensive complex?
Lol
Denial.
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So you’re saying that is never going to happen? I think the seeds have been sown and intelligence is going to out weigh stupidity and the deal is going to happen. It’s a no brainer.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Tony Romo is NEVER going to be a backup, lol….
Some of you are morons…..
March 8th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
It is a ploy to try and get the raiders to renew their lease a few more years. Nothing more.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Jose Canseco kicked out of Mexican league
The former MLB star quickly defends himself after admitting to breaking a rule.
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The new Kenny Powers….Lol
March 8th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
No one wants LT…
March 8th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Oh look constituents we looked into it, we gave it our best shot, but look at the cost! Sorry it just isn’t financially feasible. Don’t blame us for losing the raiders we tried!
March 8th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
But their owners are cheap and will pocket the money instead.
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Well if that’s the case, yes, KC and Den are completely off the list.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
City of Oakland is dreaming. First, the Raiders are 31st in the NFL in value and revenue raising capacity, and must return to prominence, raise their value as a franchise, and make a lot more money than they have in the past 10 years. This will take time; any thought of building an entertainment complex near a new or re-built stadium is years away.
Second, who will hang around Oakland, get shot up, beat up, held up, to spend money in an entertainment complex. We are not talking about Staples Center Complex in Los Angeles, or Universal City, where btw, those locations are close to world class entertainment in the first place.
We are talking about Oakland: soon as the game is over, get the hell out of the ghetto and save yourself.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
The new Kenny Powers….Lol
$$$$$$$$$$$&
The original Kenny Powers.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
I don’t recall Wimbley doing anything to stop Detroit from going 98 yds. or SD from going 98 1/2, or doing anything to stop the great Ryan Fitzpatrick from scoring on EVERY POSESSION in the 2nd half.
Come to think of it…nobody did.
They can all go to he!!
March 8th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Romo is limited: half the time he is good, half the time he is garbage making the the worsts mistakes possible. Also, that blondie he was hooked up to basically sucked the life juices right out of Romo, years ago, and he has mostly sucked since then.
The Cowboys are in real trouble when a owner, Jerry Jones, is added who fancies himself as a GM, the HC personally lost 2 games for the Cowboys last season with totally boneheaded game decisions, and throw in DC Ryan, a big, fat, unadulterated pig, who seems not to know up from down.
Then add the cost of a $1.5 billion dollar stadium personally financed by Jerry Jones, I Cowboys may become insolvent very soon.
Maybe Manning should go to the Cowboys, with Romo as backup ???
I can see that now; it might work.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
It is a ploy to try and get the raiders to renew their lease a few more years. Nothing more.
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Where are the Raiders going to move? Bismark North Dakota?
March 8th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Why the fugg would we want lt as a back up rb, I can’t stand that lil bi tttttch pose he would do in the end zone every time he scored on his. Who ever said that aint no fukkin Raider.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
We are talking about Oakland: soon as the game is over, get the hell out of the ghetto and save yourself.
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And then this is just stupid and offensive.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Hardline, if people were really that scurred of Oakland, what’s up with the big crowds at Jack London on weekends? Why is North Oakland always bustling with restaurants and people everywhere?
Also, I’ve been to the Staples Center and all they basically did was touch up one of the worst parts of downtown LA. I would put the pico-union area of downtown LA in the mid ’90s up against East Oakland. You had gangs like 18th street and MS-13 going head up on those streets every day, and still do nearby. They just touched up about a 10 block radius. It’s still dangerous to walk around downtown LA away from the newly developed areas.
Oakland can work.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Dakota, Eastbound’s been weird this season. I read somewhere it’s the last season, so this is the point of the series where something serious happens every episode. It still has some lol moments. Heck, the serious scene in last week’s episode was still kind of funny.
Also, regarding Luck, it reminds me too much of the Sopranos, and makes me just want the Sopranos back. Same with Boardwalk Empire.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
There have been fatalities at AT&T Park in SF. There have been fatalities at sports facilities in LA. There aren’t problems at sports facilities in Oakland. Unless you’re an ignorant stupid POS that doesn’t know what they are talking about.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Tomlinson as our new backup rb?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
No thank you. That Raider hater can go f himself.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Hardline Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
City of Oakland is dreaming. First, the Raiders are 31st in the NFL in value and revenue raising capacity, and must return to prominence, raise their value as a franchise, and make a lot more money than they have in the past 10 years. This will take time; any thought of building an entertainment complex near a new or re-built stadium is years away.
Second, who will hang around Oakland, get shot up, beat up, held up, to spend money in an entertainment complex. We are not talking about Staples Center Complex in Los Angeles, or Universal City, where btw, those locations are close to world class entertainment in the first place.
We are talking about Oakland: soon as the game is over, get the hell out of the ghetto and save yourself.
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First dummy you dont know what your talking about when it comes to Oakland finances.
Second dummy oh forget it
March 8th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Also, USC. Used to be a horrible area. Still is right outside of campus. Like the Staples, they just touched up all of the campus areas. I remember when the coliseum set in what looked like the ghetto. Now it’s all nice, sidewalks paved in brick. Nobody fears going to any event USC. You walk just a few blocks you’re in serious gang turf. South Central Los Angeles. Are you going to tell me East Oakland is worse than South Central? If it can be done in pico-union and south central, it can be done in deep East Oakland. You just develop the area. The bad crowds in those areas know to avoid the mainstream business areas. They know cops will be all over them.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
I watched a few episodes of game of thrones, but it’s hard to watch this crap. It’s stupid.
March 8th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
[...] Not only did the Oakland Raiders restructure the contracts of Richard Seymour and Michael Huff, but they were also able to redo quarterback Carson Palmer’s contract. [...]
March 8th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Mr, I have it recorded on my dvr, so I am sure I will watch it eventually. I had my doubts about it at the beginning of last year too, but it turned out I actually liked last years Mexico league setting.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Dakota, Mexico was hilarious. Stevie and his wife Maria are now living with Kenny, they’re responsible for basically raising his kid. lol.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I have to watch luck with captions on. I can’t understand Hoffmans mumbling and the trainer has worse English than Ozzie guillan.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Seymour and Dhidee,
the ignorance is astounding, isn’t it? I can’t believe he brought up the Staples Center. Walk just 7 or so blocks from Staples and you’d better have a crowd with you. You will get mugged.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Sullivan,
I have been to numerous games in the Oakland Colisium, while staying in Martinez. Once the game was over I left quickly and went back to Martinez. I couldn’t envision an entertainment center around that area since he seems industrial and also dangerous. But that is just how I felt.
Pico/Union is still no pleasure cruise but again a new stadium would never be built there. In the days of crack culture, 1987-1997, Los Angeles Metro generally was dangerous.
I read that there were 28 murders in Oakland so far in 2012 with Oakland having a population of 447,663.
Los Angeles has approximately 70 murders in 2012 with a population of 3,797,000.
Well anyway, maybe Oakland can work. They just need to eliminate the gang-bangers and riff-raff that would prey upon Raiders’ game attendees.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I think people really hate Oakland because it has a “ghetto” reputation, a reputation for anti-establishment politics, and has 3 MAJOR SPORTS TEAMS, thank you. They should study their history to learn why Oakland has their 3 teams in the first place. It’s because Oakland is a great sports city.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Mr,
That sounds predictable.
The little I have watched of this season I was kind of turned off by kenny’s new buddy on his team. Something about that actor screams lame.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Hardline, people couldn’t envision an entertainment center near where Staples center is, either. The argument against the Staples Center was exactly like the argument you’re making against an entertainment center in East Oakland. You said yourself the Staples Center worked. That area of downtown LA is still dangerous. I was just there less than a month ago. Go just 6 or 7 blocks from Staples, it’s bad. I guarantee you a lot of those 70 murders that took place in LA this year happened not far from Staples.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Dakota, you need to watch. Something pivotal happened with Kenny’s new friend in the recent episode. I won’t spoil it for you.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Sullivan44, #98
USC area is still horrible; straight up gang-banger heaven. Why do you think the Raiders got the hell out of the Colisium there ??
I remember I attended a game there during Elway’s rookie season when Plunkett was QB. I had an pickup at the time and a guy and his son pulled in a brand new Rolls-Royce Cornich, and parked it on the street. I told the guy he should pay $20 to park that car in a nearby lot, and he looked at me like, “Mind your own business.”
When the game was over I returned to my car. The guy and son were at their car, which had been broken into, with the entire dashboard pulled out laying across the front seats – wires looked like loose, out of control speghetti.
I felt sorry for him, but he was warned….
March 8th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Hardline, yes, the area around USC is still bad, but USC looks nice, and people do hang out there, go to restaurants there. You see preppy looking kids zipping around on their bikes. They don’t look to scared of being jacked. So, that’s just another example of how East Oakland can work if the areas around the coliseum are developed. I don’t know why, but gangs and what not typically avoid high end retail areas. They know it’s hot with cops.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I might give it a shot this weekend mr. I took me a few weeks to get back into boardwalk empire this past season, but then I was hooked again.
Little bummed that the walking dead only has two episodes left this season but I am looking forward to buying breaking bad season 4 soon.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Sullivan44, 108
Sullivan, that is true. South on the 110 freeway from MLK Drive to the 105 freeway, in the area bordering on the west and the east of the 110, is where approximately 75% of all murders in LA County occur.
It’s terrible.
What were you doing at Staples’ Center?
March 8th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Dakota, I’ll say this..if you don’t like Jason Sedekis’s character on eastbound, you’ll love this past episode. lol. I don’t know what more to say without spoiling it.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Now I am intrigued….
March 8th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Hardline, I was just driving by. I visit LA every few months, have a friend and a cousin that let me crash down there whenever. When they’re at work in the day time I drive around and see the sites, like beautiful downtown LA. I just happened to be that way, drove by the Staples. And the area outside of that 10 block radius where staples is is still bad.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
oh, dakota, if you hate “Shane”, you’ll do backflips after watching this episode. But watch them in order.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Mr,
Ever watched Dexter?
March 8th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Nah. Never got into the showtime ones. Since the Sopranos I’ve been sneering at all of the premium cable shows. It was too good. They’ll never top it. Eastbound and Down has me hooked. That’s about it.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Dakota, you gonna watch “Game Change” Sunday, about Sarah P? Lol. I’ll be honest, I’m just watching it for Woody. He’s great in everything he’s in. I already know everything there is to know about mama grizzly. Don’t need a reenactment. But I’ll watch any Woody Harrelson flick.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Well, nothing can top the sopranos for drama, but Dexter is pretty good. Californication and weeds are pretty decent comedies. I don’t have showtime so I had to go through Netflix to watch them.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Game change? I’d rather light my hair on fire.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I’m not too excited about Game Change either, Dakota. I don’t think we’re going to see anything enlightening regarding Sarah, unless they show a hard core reenactment of her and Glen Rice. I’m just watching for Woody.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Woody is a good actor. Loved him in zombieland! what was that movie where he played a one handed balding Amish bowler? That was funny. Saw him once in a local grocery store, he was in town for a grateful dead rally during rally week one year. He was smaller than I thought he would be.
March 8th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Kingpin!
And I’m not surprised you saw Woody in a town where there was a tokers event. Hope to run into him at one myself someday.
Later, Dakota. Watch eastbound.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Johnny G Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
69.JB Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
JMOSS @MoSSwag94
Hmm would love to be in wit the Nation another year but not lookin likely! #GodsHands
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Guess Moss sees something that we haven’t yet. I thought he’d most likely stick. Guess I was wrong.
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Yeah. I’d like to know why he’s so sure he’s out.
He’s not making much $ is he?
Interesting.
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Well, when you speak to the GM and he says “you should look for other options as you’re not in our plans right now” or something like that it’s probably pretty clear.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Why is it that people say that Kansas City won’t sign Manning because they have “committed to Matt Cassell” financially, but at the same time are convinced that Arizona is a possible landing spot? Kevin Kolb didn’t sign there for free, you know.
Beware the Chiefs.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:06 am
You don’t want Manning for the simple reason no qb has ever won a Superbowl with one team, moved to another, and then won again.
Warner is the closest and he threw a 99 yard pick six.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:02 am
I like going up for the games and kicking it in the bay area for the weekend hitting up my people up there. I would love a little steak-house or chill bar to hang out before/after the games. One time I went and me and my homies were hungry and we walked thru the industrial are just to get to that run-down ass Denny’s. No Raider flags or anything Raider in the whole joint. Even in LA some joints put up USC/UCLA flags.
Went up to the Bears game this last season, on the way back went to Fuitvale bart stop after the game to hit a place that had bomb Mexican food. I was like hell yea, perfect way to cap-off the Raida victory. When we got there every Mexican restraunt(nearby) was closed and we just went to a little burrito stand. Sucked.
Alot of people would be willing to spend $ in Oak but they don’t facilitate it.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:09 am
The Stadium needs a touch up. Its funny when I first started going to games in Oakland, I was like damn what an improvement over the LA masoleum! The seats were closer to the field not like miles away in the LA coliseum.
Now that I’ve been going more to Oak. I have noticed how far the 50 yardline home seats are away from the field. The in-field ofcousre, the lack of Big-screen, and the run-downness in general.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 am
why not cut just cut them all together to save the salary! Why not bring in potential players hungry to play, instead of cowtowing to them period. If spuds would his job and un load these players, we would be better off!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:11 am
Manning to Miami seems to make the most since to me. Marshal, Bess, and Reggie Wayne following could be really nasty.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Manning not going to KC. He requires reliable receivers.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:06 am
131…you do realize just cutting players doesn’t mean they rip up contracts too?… Not as easy as just cutting them…
March 9th, 2012 at 5:25 am
Manning not going to KC. He requires reliable receivers.
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He could do worse than surrounding himself with Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki, and Charles…
March 9th, 2012 at 5:39 am
Good Morning Nation!!! Happy Aloha Friday!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 am
I can’t wait for Palmer to make Routt his b!tch next season! Twice!!
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Mele Kalikimaka Hwnrdr!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:05 am
138.Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Mele Kalikimaka Hwnrdr!
? ? ? You do know what that means right?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:05 am
CARL WEATHERS,JUST HOPE PALMER DOESNT GET HURT TRYING TO TACKLE ROUTT WHILE HE IS RETURNING 1 OF HIS PASSES 4 A TD..I LIKE YOUR PLAN BETTER..
March 9th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Driving home from Southern Colorado yesterday, the Donkeys radio station says the Bronco’s (for whatever reason) have tons of cap space, but are cash-strapped.
They supposedly, will have trouble coming up with large signing bonuses to pay FA this offseason.
Not sure how that happens with a team with a very fluid cap situation, and one who had 8 home sellouts AND a home playoff game.
Weird.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Why is it that people say that Kansas City won’t sign Manning because they have “committed to Matt Cassell” financially, but at the same time are convinced that Arizona is a possible landing spot? Kevin Kolb didn’t sign there for free, you know.
Beware the Chiefs.
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@ET
neither team is in the running
Dolphins, Jets, Broncos or Browns
March 9th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:05 am
138.Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Mele Kalikimaka Hwnrdr!
? ? ? You do know what that means right?
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It means “F*ck you”, right?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:10 am
JUST HOPE PALMER DOESNT GET HURT TRYING TO TACKLE ROUTT WHILE HE IS RETURNING 1 OF HIS PASSES 4 A TD..
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Dirt Lot = Palmer hater?
How many is that now?
ROG, Mistic … who else?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I still doubt the reports that we were 25 million over the cap.
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I see my argument rubbed off on you from last offseason, eh?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Manning to Miami seems to make the most since to me. Marshal, Bess, and Reggie Wayne following could be really nasty.
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Agreed with Kirk
March 9th, 2012 at 6:13 am
NOT A PALMER HATER,GLAD HE IS HERE.GOOD DAY EVERYBODY..IF I WAS A HATER,WOULD HOPE HE GETS HURT..
March 9th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Manning fighting Brady for the division makes good football.
Rob Ryan might self destruct though unless he can rebuild that “juggernaut” defense rather quickly
Jets offense is a hot mess too. Lots of notable FA’s
Unrestricted FAs
8 Mark Brunell QB
17 Plaxico Burress WR
2 Nick Folk K
36 Jim Leonhard SS
7 Kevin O’Connell QB
22 Brodney Pool FS
91 Sione Pouha NT
30 Donald Strickland CB
58 Bryan Thomas OLB/DE
21 LaDainian Tomlinson RB
75 Robert Turner C/G
Restricted FAs
34 Marquice Cole CB
51 Aaron Maybin OLB/DE
82 Matthew Mulligan TE
55 Jamaal Westerman OLB/DE
Bills better blow their wad on Vincent Jackson, as reported if they want to compete.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:17 am
143.Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:05 am
138.Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Mele Kalikimaka Hwnrdr!
? ? ? You do know what that means right?
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It means “F*ck you”, right?
LOL, I hope you’re kidding…
March 9th, 2012 at 6:17 am
With Carson restructuring, I think that makes it more likely they plan on him being around a couple of years.
If they wanted to see what he had for one year and move on, they could have swallowed the pill this year, and than cut/release him later, for less of a cap hit.
Now, a release in the future is now a tougher cap situation than it was previously.
Of course, all of the above is contigent upon approval from cap-guru, Bcz.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:18 am
You meant Rex right?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:18 am
TO is coming to Albuquerque this weekend, lol.
We got 3 casino’s in the metro area, and our Arena team plays at Santa Ana, easily the most low-rent of the 3.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Was it reported the amount of money saved on the cap with Palmer’s restructure?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Isn’t that Mele whatever a X-Mas song?
“Mele Kalikamma is the thing to…(don’t know anymore words)”
March 9th, 2012 at 6:20 am
all of the above is contigent upon approval from cap-guru, Bcz.
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@JFB
have Jhill & RRS been replaced by blog GM Vegas without any notice?
talk about communication issues!!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Lobo’s vs the Runnin Reb’s tonight
R8eray, a 9:30pm (MST) tipoff? WTF is that all about?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Was it reported the amount of money saved on the cap with Palmer’s restructure?
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@Hwnrdr
he took it down to the vet minimum, like Huff & Seymour did
…and yes I meant Rex (sorry)
March 9th, 2012 at 6:22 am
have Jhill & RRS been replaced by blog GM Vegas without any notice?
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Just a little outsourcing, don’t worry about it and get back in your office!!!
And….I will need your TPS reports by noon today, thanks!!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:23 am
I would put the pico-union area of downtown LA in the mid ’90s up against East Oakland. You had gangs like 18th street and MS-13 going head up on those streets every day, and still do nearby. They just touched up about a 10 block radius. It’s still dangerous to walk around downtown LA away from the newly developed areas.
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Very very true.
STILL super duper grimy downtown if you make a left instead of that right, lol.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Peyton goes into a N.C. Steakhouse. The bill came to $650.00 Though the 18% tip was added to the check, Manning left another $200.00. Gratuity totaled 50%. Waiter shows off receipt. Restaurant fires him. lol.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/peyton-manning-leaves-generous-tip-server-gets-fired-210105919.html
March 9th, 2012 at 6:28 am
That waiter should be fired.
These high-end restaurants cater to the uber-rich and famous, by protecting their privacy in and out of their restaurants.
Stuff like this happens in Vegas all the time. Athlete shows up, waiter asks for a picture, waiter gets removed from the floor and sent him immediately.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:30 am
157.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Was it reported the amount of money saved on the cap with Palmer’s restructure?
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@Hwnrdr
he took it down to the vet minimum, like Huff & Seymour did
…and yes I meant Rex (sorry)
Ahhh…so we saved a few more million?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:31 am
159.J Hill Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:23 am
I would put the pico-union area of downtown LA in the mid ’90s up against East Oakland. You had gangs like 18th street and MS-13 going head up on those streets every day, and still do nearby. They just touched up about a 10 block radius. It’s still dangerous to walk around downtown LA away from the newly developed areas.
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Very very true.
STILL super duper grimy downtown if you make a left instead of that right, lol.
Yup, East Oakland really isn’t that bad…well, on game day!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Just a little outsourcing
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@JFB
I agree BCZ needs to be a part of the staff, but his role must be more clearly defined. Can’t you just create a position for him ala “senior assistant” Al Saunders ???
March 9th, 2012 at 6:32 am
154.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Isn’t that Mele whatever a X-Mas song?
“Mele Kalikamma is the thing to…(don’t know anymore words)”
…is the thing to say on a bright Hawaiian Christmas day…lol…there you go, it means Merry Christmas!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Driving home from Southern Colorado yesterday, the Donkeys radio station says the Bronco’s (for whatever reason) have tons of cap space, but are cash-strapped.
They supposedly, will have trouble coming up with large signing bonuses to pay FA this offseason.
Not sure how that happens with a team with a very fluid cap situation, and one who had 8 home sellouts AND a home playoff game.
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Al Davis ‘allegedly’ had that problem for years too…
March 9th, 2012 at 6:34 am
I think Bcz works better on a project by project basis.
His skill-set is needed during this tough offseason, but the concern is that his negative attitude will disrupt the cohesiveness of my staff once the season starts.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Not sure about the cap hit for Palmer under the new deal, they haven’t posted it yet, but you are right JFB, he would have to be Jamarcus bad to get cut after the season now.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:35 am
@Hwnrdr
NFLPA records reveal a reduction in Palmer’s base salary originally at $12.5 million. Since Palmer’s contract runs through 2014, he created $7.71 million in cap space by dropping his salary to the 10-year league minimum of $925,000 and converted the rest into a signing bonus.
The difference ($11.575 million) will be spread equally over the next three seasons, with $3.85 million applying this year, next year, and in 2014.
Source = Brian McIntyre
** Mac’s Football Blog **
March 9th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Why does everyone think I have a negative attitude? I don’t understand this stigma that I am associated with!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:37 am
but the concern is that his negative attitude will disrupt the cohesiveness of my staff once the season starts.
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LOL!
Well I happen to be on the same page with him a lot, so we should be fine.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:37 am
The Downtown Broadway area of L.A. is a real trip. I had an office at one time in the California Mart at Olympic and Broadway. Old theatres from the 1920’s preserved. Cliftons Cafeteria. Clothing Stores catering to ethnic group. The Alley where they sell wholesale and sometimes counterfeit goods. Paul’s Kitchen for Chinese Food on San Pedro St where you can walk into Tommy Lasorda and other Dodgers. Like anywhere, you just need to know where to go.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:37 am
I think Bcz works better on a project by project basis.
His skill-set is needed during this tough offseason, but the concern is that his negative attitude will disrupt the cohesiveness of my staff once the season starts.
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@JFB
so BCZ is a good player, but his attitude sucks?
would you liken him to a Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Albert Haynesworth or Warren Sapp ???
March 9th, 2012 at 6:38 am
170.bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Why does everyone think I have a negative attitude? I don’t understand this stigma that I am associated with!
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOOOLLLLOOOLLLLOOLOLOLOL
March 9th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Why does everyone think I have a negative attitude?
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Sorry, it is the perception of my staff.
Perception is the only reality, as the saying goes.
Don’t worry, you will be a highly-compensated independant contractor.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:38 am
The difference ($11.575 million) will be spread equally over the next three seasons, with $3.85 million applying this year, next year, and in 2014.
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If these are correct then Carsons cap hit the next 2 seasons will be around $16 million, but the cost to cut (depending on salary guarantees) will be shy of 8 million… He better play lights out or he actually could see the chopping block as soon as next year.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:38 am
I don’t understand how the Broncos could be “cash-strapped”. They sell out every game and our the biggest thing going on in Denver. I think that is b.s.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Like anywhere, you just need to know where to go.
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And …..
Where NOT to go.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I still can’t get over the fact that Brien’s favorite movie is Forest Gump.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Why does everyone think I have a negative attitude? I don’t understand this stigma that I am associated with!
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@BCZ
in all fairness to you, it’s friday and you’re usually cooler than Miles Davis on the fifth & final working day of the week!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Thanks Rockstar…so does that mean we saved about 19 miilion in cap space? According to whatever report you believe. we are either 8 million under (the original 11 million over cap space) or still need a miilion to go to be compliant. Was there another one stating that we were 25 million over also? Who’s next? Curry, Wimbley (probably released?)…any of our kickers willing to restructure???
March 9th, 2012 at 6:41 am
I don’t understand it either, but the Bronco’s flagship radio station was reporting it last night.
I think they floated the same thing last year, and apparently it hasn’t been corrected.
Maybe they are saving their money to freeze Bowlen’s head, a la Teddy Ballgame.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Maybe Bowlen spent too much money on fur coats.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Is Bowlen still paying Shanarat?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Jets RT Wayne Hunter on the trade block.
is he a fit in the zbs?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:45 am
I DONT THINK ANY OF U PEOPLE R REAL…
March 9th, 2012 at 6:45 am
177.Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:38 am
I don’t understand how the Broncos could be “cash-strapped”. They sell out every game and our the biggest thing going on in Denver. I think that is b.s.
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Player salary’s aren’t the only thing that hits the bottom line for NFL teams. If they are mismanaging other aspects of the team they could be in trouble. Like I said, I reports like this all the time about Al and he still outspent everyone when it came to players.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Who’s next? Curry, Wimbley (probably released?)…any of our kickers willing to restructure???
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Hwnrdr,
I would hope Curry, Kelly, Lechler or Seabass!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:48 am
@Dirt Lot
“You People” ???
what do you mean by “You People” ???
I’m offended! racist! sexist! elitist!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Lechler deserves every dime he makes.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:49 am
I think Curry have stated that he wants to remain here in Oakland…as for Kelly…who knows? Lechler and Seabass should, in my opinion. But it all depends on where there heart is. Playing football or money?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Brandon Lloyd wants to play for the Pats and DBranch is a 33yo free agent, eh?
interesting.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see them sign Lloyd cheap. re-sign Branch cheap and then cut bait with Chad the Diva
March 9th, 2012 at 6:51 am
190.Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Lechler deserves every dime he makes.
I agree, you have to pay the best, but…are we paying him too much? However, it does seem that everyone who restructured has only made it cap friendly for this year only…and spread it out more! I hope #9 and #11 retire Raiders!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:51 am
THAT WOULD BE ME IN A NUTSHELL ROPCKSTAR..AND I SLEEP VERY WELL AT NIGHT.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Hardline Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
City of Oakland is dreaming. First, the Raiders are 31st in the NFL in value and revenue raising capacity, and must return to prominence, raise their value as a franchise, and make a lot more money than they have in the past 10 years. This will take time; any thought of building an entertainment complex near a new or re-built stadium is years away.
Second, who will hang around Oakland, get shot up, beat up, held up, to spend money in an entertainment complex. We are not talking about Staples Center Complex in Los Angeles, or Universal City, where btw, those locations are close to world class entertainment in the first place.
We are talking about Oakland: soon as the game is over, get the hell out of the ghetto and save yourself.
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Wow that was harsh.
I lived as a kid in E. Oakland and know that a lot of what you say is true. Drove through the old neighborhood a few months ago with some friends from work and they were shocked I even lived there.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Lechler deserves every dime he makes.
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Very true statement in past years with the pathetic offenses we’ve put on the field.
Going forward, I don’t think we need a 6 million dollar punter. I expect our offense to put up 24 pts a game, or so.
I’ll take the 15th best punter for a million and use that extra 5 to get a LB or maybe a C.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I SLEEP VERY WELL AT NIGHT.
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Me too, man. no ambian required!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Going forward, I don’t think we need a 6 million dollar punter
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@Jhill
the average salary of the Top 5 punters in the league is only $2.5 million!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:55 am
I’ll take the 15th best punter for a million and use that extra 5 to get a LB or maybe a C.
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Agreed with J Hill, Lechler is not as much as a necessity as years before.
Tough decisions like these, is why he is a full-timer on the staff!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:57 am
MAYBE ITS THE WHOLE “LEADERSHIP” THING WITH SEYMOUR & LECHLER AND THERE $$$..??
March 9th, 2012 at 6:59 am
you could be right, Dirt Lot…Like Ray has said, there wil be more restructures and cuts over the weekend. We have until Tuesday to be compliant, right?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Thanks Rockstar…so does that mean we saved about 19 miilion in cap space? According to whatever report you believe. we are either 8 million under (the original 11 million over cap space) or still need a miilion to go to be compliant. Was there another one stating that we were 25 million over also? Who’s next? Curry, Wimbley (probably released?)…any of our kickers willing to restructure???
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From CNS Bay Area article:
“Oakland cutting Wimbley before March 17 would save the Raiders between $1.9 million and $4.5 million for 2012 cap purposes, depending on prorations, $17.5 million going forward.
Others to watch for potential cuts, and what a cut would mean savings-wise this year: linebacker Aaron Curry ($5.757.5) defensive tackle John Henderson ($4 million), cornerback Chris Johnson ($3.5 million), defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($3.125.73) right guard Cooper Carlisle ($2.7 million) and safety Hiram Eugene ($2.45 million).”
My guess is the focus right now is restructuring Curry. I also think we will cut Henderson, Johnson, Kelly and maybe Eugene. We need money for FA to rebuild the defense.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Here’s a question: Someone mentioned to me last night that they heard that Branch and The Raiders are working on a long term deal and possibly will be done soon…I told him that I hope not because that would mean that we wasted our tag. Do you guys think we wasted our Franchise Tag? Also, once you tag someone, are you not allowed to tender anyone?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:03 am
It is a good idea to kick around Hwnrdr, but really, who else would we have tagged?
I think they used the tag to leverage their ability to sign him long-term.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I told him that I hope not because that would mean that we wasted our tag. Do you guys think we wasted our Franchise Tag? Also, once you tag someone, are you not allowed to tender anyone?
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You can still tender restricted FA’s. I wouldn’t consider it ‘wasting’ our tag, unless you think the team might have applied it to Bush, which I don’t think would have happened.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I believe that was the purpose for it…sorry, wasn’t too clear…I said I hope they don’t get it done by Monday or so because that woudl mean that we wasted our tag, right?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:05 am
#203 Did not waste tag. Our willingness to tag makes us the only game in town for Branch. It is a big bargaining tool. Bush not good enough for tag and who else would you tag?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:08 am
I thought that it would either be Bush or Branch, but had a feeling that Bush would be free to test the market. Looking at our roster, I guess no one else I would have tagged.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:12 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Interesting…is this guy any good?
Free agent LB Brady Poppinga calls Rams DC Gregg Williams’ actions in the Saints’ bounty program “degrading,” “animalistic,” and “repulsive.”
“Football is my profession and I take it seriously. It’s an art form. It’s technical, strategic and takes a lot of intelligence to play,” said Poppinga. “When this came out, it started to confirm the idea that football guys are idiots. That’s not who we are. … It’s a huge problem in society not knowing how to compete with the right perspective.” The comments could hurt Poppinga’s chances of re-signing with the Rams.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:14 am
The Bears are expected to take a “long look” at OLB Kamerion Wimbley if he’s released by the Raiders.
Wimbley was reportedly the Bears’ “No. 1 target” as the “ideal 4-3 defensive end to pair with Julius Peppers” last offseason before re-signing with the Raiders. The Chargers, Cardinals, and Patriots are three other teams expected to pursue Wimbley if he’s granted his freedom, as expected
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PLZ don’t go the Pats!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Where did you get the 6 million for the Punter. Here are the cap numbers I found in an article from a different web site:
Note first number is cap hit and second is base salary and represents an estimate of what might be saved by reworking contract.
Player 2012 Salary Cap Number, in millions (base salary)
TE Kevin Boss $4.75 ($2)
OG Cooper Carlisle $3.3 ($3)
LB Aaron Curry $5.757.5 ($5.757.5)
DT John Henderson $4.75 ($4)
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8.159 ($5.279)
FS Michael Huff $9.828.75 ($4)
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4.5 ($1.7)
CB Chris Johnson $4.5 ($3.5)
DT Tommy Kelly $8.874.266 ($6)
P Shane Lechler $4.9 ($3.8)
LB Rolando McClain $3.64 ($970,000)
RB Darren McFadden $9.478.833 ($5.65)
QB Carson Palmer $12.5 ($12.5)
CB Stanford Routt $10.785.334 ($5)
DT Richard Seymour $14.068 ($7.5)
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11.85 ($11)
Read more: Which big contracts will Raiders restructure?
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
March 9th, 2012 at 7:18 am
209.hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:12 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
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D@mn Al really blew it with that contract. Rest in peace Al, wow!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Here’s a question: Someone mentioned to me last night that they heard that Branch and The Raiders are working on a long term deal and possibly will be done soon…I told him that I hope not because that would mean that we wasted our tag. Do you guys think we wasted our Franchise Tag?
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@Hwnrdr
I can only speak for myself, this is just my opinion.
I don’t think ANYBODY the Raiders had on “free agents in waiting” list was worthy of the franchise tag. So if you asked me, anybody we tagged would be considered a wasted tag!
I think Tyvon Branch is an average player. I might call him good on some Sundays and bad on others. He’s not great. He’s not a Top 10 safety in this league, so why pay him like one? tagging a player ups their value by 10 imo. It gives the player all the leverage. Look at the deal Kam Wimbley struck after he got tagged. You’re basically telling the player and his agent “we can’t live without you” so they counter by saying “we’ll be glad to stay in Oakland, now show us the money.” They know Oakland doesn’t want to pay $6.2 million for a player this year and take a chance on losing him with nothing in return the next season. Branch only negotiating with one team is stupid imo, like when we always placed the EXCLUSIVE franchise tag on Nnamdi. You’re never gonna get the player for market value unless you know what other teams consider his worth. Nobody on the planet would give TB a contract like Eric Weddle got, but now his agent is trying to ask Reggie McKenzie for something in that neighborhood. Now how does Reggie counter with something close to HALF of that request without pissing off the player?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:19 am
If Manning goes to Denver or KC our defense is going to get toasted!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Brady Poppinga sucks, Hwnrdr
I’ll re-sign Q Groves before I give that dude a contract
March 9th, 2012 at 7:24 am
You can still tender restricted FA’s
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100% Correct, BCZ.
Bryant & Reece will almost certainly be tendered
Brodine, Boyd & McCann can kick rocks!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Where did you get the 6 million for the Punter.
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Right here in the comment section a few posts back. List looked really similar to yours.
5 million is still too much.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:26 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:19 am
If Manning goes to Denver or KC our defense is going to get toasted!
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How well did Gannon come back from a broken neck? Signing Manning is a big risk. Only a team with nothing going at QB will sign him and much of the money will be non guaranteed. Denver has nothing going so they might (please refrain from Tebow worship). KC could resign Orton or sign Campbell and have Castle coming back so would be surprised to see them sign Manning.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:29 am
1960 autum wind
Here is another site that claims McFaddens cap hit is nearly $3 million less that what the numbers say from your info. The last column is the cap hit. That is why I think some of this $25 million over the cap stuff is just ignorant media BS.
2008 295,000 1,066,667 – 1,361,667
2009 385,000 1,066,667 5,000,000 6,451,667
2010 3,000,000 1,066,667 – 4,066,667
2011 7,055,000 1,066,667 – 8,121,667
2012 5,650,000 1,066,667 – 6,716,667
2013 5,856,250 1,066,667 – 6,922,917
2014 UFA
March 9th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Remember Manning’s Colts were far from invincible the year before he had all this neck work done.
They were 10-6; a significant drop.
Yes he’s still probably good but with a full year off and just a few months removed from some saying he probably will never play again?
There’s a good chance he will be nowhere near the Peyton Manning everybody knows and loves.
Then again, he might be great.
There’s alot of uncertainty here.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:30 am
J Hill Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Where did you get the 6 million for the Punter.
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Right here in the comment section a few posts back. List looked really similar to yours.
5 million is still too much.
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The reality is that Raiders might be able to save 3.8 million and then would need to go find a punter. That puts it in a different perspective than 6 million.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Same with Kevin Boss….$2 million less that the other numbers….
2011 3,000,000 750,000 – 3,750,000
2012 2,000,000 750,000 – 2,750,000
2013 3,500,000 750,000 – 4,250,000
2014 4,500,000 750,000 – 5,250,00
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Dakota
Those things are all just estimates. I think I have said this over and over. I do think someone saying Shane is costing 6 million and we can save it by just cutting him is BS though.
Regarding the list I put up. I know from other sites that Bey’s potential savings by cutting him are way lower than 5 million. I just put that list up there to counteract the 6 million comment. There are not many lists that include Shanes numbers because there is no buzz that his contract will be restructured or he will be cut.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Good bye Lechler, It’s been fun.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:36 am
why are people so concerned with what we’re paying Kevin Boss?
he’s going to dominate in Knapp’s offense this year!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Hwnrdr,
my long comment regarding branch/tag not worthy of a response?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Dakota
See what I mean:
HairyBush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Good bye Lechler, It’s been fun.
All based on the 6 million BS…..
March 9th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Lechler: take your smelling salts and don’t let the door hit you on the a$$.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:39 am
RR
If Boss is healthy I am with you. Still not sure about his health.
AW
March 9th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Shane is great, But… He’s still only a punter. I can justify Jano moreso than Shane.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Same with Janokowski…$2.8 million.
2011 2,600,000 – – 2,600,000
2012 1,700,000 – – 1,700,000
2013 3,800,000 – – 3,800,000
So between McFadden, Jano and Boss, there is about a $7.5 million dollar difference….just right there could clear up a lot of those numbers being thrown out by Paul guittierez and company.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:41 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Dakota
See what I mean:
HairyBush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Good bye Lechler, It’s been fun.
All based on the 6 million BS…..
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I’ve heard multiple reports on Lechler’s salary, Even the lowest one I heard was too much!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Jerry Mac per Aaron Wilson off RNS…
Good Morning Nation!~
WOW!
QB Carson Palmer’s $12.5 million base salary reduced to $825,000 by converting $11.675 million into bonus. 2012 cap figure now $3.16 million also added 2015, 2016 as voidable years to his Raider contract.
Again, WOW! Thanx Carson! Go Raiders!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:43 am
#227 Obviously you are at odds with RM and DA – They have probably looked at a lot more film than you. I guess we will see who is right next year.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:43 am
228.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Dakota
See what I mean:
HairyBush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Good bye Lechler, It’s been fun.
All based on the 6 million BS…..
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According to one site Lechler does make $5.65 million
March 9th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Best K and P maybe EVER. They keep their pay. With Carson’s big time restructure Raiders have more wiggle room.
Enjoy the day Nation!~
March 9th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Based on Jerry Mac. Carson took a pay cut! Your turn Cam…
March 9th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Autumn wind, I am not trying to argue with your points, I am just railing against the “We are $25 million over!” BS the media has been putting out there.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:45 am
If Boss is healthy I am with you. Still not sure about his health
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He played in 14 games last year, starting 11
he had 3 catches against SD in WK17, including a 22yd TD
why wouldn’t he be healthy?
he played in the last game of the season and hasn’t taken a hit in 3 months. Been working out with Carson Palmer this entire offseason
March 9th, 2012 at 7:45 am
227.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Hwnrdr,
my long comment regarding branch/tag not worthy of a response?
LOL, of course it is. Being a long time AMer, I always respected your opinions. I had a feeling that, like I said, either Branch or Bush will get the tag. Was either of them worthy of it, your opinion, no, my opinion, maybe Branch because out of everyone on that D last year I have seen good effort form him. Now whether my opinion is shaded by beer goggles during the games, I don’t know. But if there was no one worthy of the tag, what should we have done?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Branch is up next.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Dakota
Is that his cap hit though. Is that what we will save if we cut or restructure? Also I don’t even believe any of these sites because they are all over the place on his numbers because he has not been in the news for restructuring or cutting.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Kam: If your not with us, your against us! F him if he doesn’t want to be a team player and be included in the uprise of the Raiders!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:48 am
QB Carson Palmer’s $12.5 million base salary reduced to $825,000 by converting $11.675 million into bonus. 2012 cap figure now $3.16 million also added 2015, 2016 as voidable years to his Raider contract.
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good work, X
but you got scooped by your boy RRS
March 9th, 2012 at 7:49 am
We didnt waste the tag. We used it properly.. As a tool to get a guy we like to sign.. A wasted tag would be to use it and overpay a guy..
March 9th, 2012 at 7:49 am
244.HairyBush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Kam: If your not with us, your against us! F him if he doesn’t want to be a team player and be included in the uprise of the Raiders!
Funny is that Huff tweeted that yesterday! And I still agree!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:50 am
BTW: Colts are shopping Dwight Freeney
March 9th, 2012 at 7:51 am
The leaders on this team are stepping up as predicted taking these deals.. This is why the cap was never a worry..
March 9th, 2012 at 7:52 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:49 am
244.HairyBush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Kam: If your not with us, your against us! F him if he doesn’t want to be a team player and be included in the uprise of the Raiders!
Funny is that Huff tweeted that yesterday! And I still agree!
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Did Huff really tweet that? I have more respect for him now, good to hear.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I think Wimbley takes the $ and runs for the hills.
He knows his talent doesn’t match his contract. He’s grossly overpaid and this is his ONE CHANCE to cash in.
He’ll take the guaranteed money from Oakland, sign a nice contract with someone else and he’s set.
He’s not gonna let any love for the Raiders affect his financial future.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Dakota Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Autumn wind, I am not trying to argue with your points, I am just railing against the “We are $25 million over!” BS the media has been putting out there.
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I think we agree that we really do not know what our cap numbers are but we have ideas. We do know RM said some of our contracts are out of whack. Based on actions we know that Routt and Wimbley are two such contracts so far.
I do think we are going to make a lot of cuts on the defensive side of the ball. Routt is already gone, Wimbley is soon to be gone and I would imagine Henderson, Johnson, Eugene are all going to get cut. Maybe Kelly too. We need to free up some money to sign FA’s to retool the defense.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:54 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:50 am
BTW: Colts are shopping Dwight Freeney
Freeney>Kam
March 9th, 2012 at 7:55 am
HB, well, he didn’t use Kam’s name but he did tweet “If you’re not with us, you are against us!” This was when he restructured to stay a Raider…like he was sending a message to the rest of the team…
March 9th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Yup wim gets a second payday in 2 yrs.. sorta like deangelo hall..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Going forward, I don’t think we need a 6 million dollar punter. I expect our offense to put up 24 pts a game, or so.
I’ll take the 15th best punter for a million and use that extra 5 to get a LB or maybe a C.
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Interesting idea… but it seems we would be picking up the 33rd best punter. Plus he’s been Jano’s holder for his entire career.
I don’t think McK is messing with this besides a restructure. At least I wouldn’t.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:11 am
256. Id ask the golf buddies to restructure..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Good morning nation.
We save $10 million by restructuring with Seymour & Huff, and now we saved $9 by restructuring with Palmer.
Total savings: $19 million
Restructure with Curry, Lechler, and Jano
Trade/ cut: Henderson, CJ, Eugene, TK, and Wimbley
That should save us $10-20 million.
Isn’t that correct Bcz? Where is our cap expert?
March 9th, 2012 at 8:15 am
No way Kelly gets cut. If we didn’t cut Seymour, why do people think in a million years we would get rid of the guy next to him that is cheaper, younger, and that outplayed him??
March 9th, 2012 at 8:15 am
If cutting TK will only save $3 million, then I rather keep him.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Sign Mario Williams and a CB in FA.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 8:15 am
If cutting TK will only save $3 million, then I rather keep him.
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Its a long term problem. He will kill us next year if we keep him on the current contract. If we keep him till April 1 this year 17.5 million is guaranteed going forward is what several reports are saying.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:27 am
I would rather cut Kelly and use that money + other money to sign the Nose tackle from Miami. We do not need TK in a 3/4 defense. We also can use that and other money to sign FA LBs and get some in draft. TK sucked against the run very inconsistent.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Schefter also writes that the Colts aren’t going to give Freeney up for nothing: They’re only going to trade him if they think they’re getting fair value in return.
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Give them a 5th RD pick…do we have a 5th?
March 9th, 2012 at 8:29 am
#262 Woops. I though you meant CW. I thought cutting TK would save at least 4-5 million maybe more. Sorry that is what cutting CW will save.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:30 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I think Wimbley takes the $ and runs for the hills.
He knows his talent doesn’t match his contract. He’s grossly overpaid and this is his ONE CHANCE to cash in.
He’ll take the guaranteed money from Oakland, sign a nice contract with someone else and he’s set.
He’s not gonna let any love for the Raiders affect his financial future
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As well he shouldn’t!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:32 am
All the “rah rah” stuff from Huff is nice, but all I ask from him is next time u have a team at their own 1/2 yd line and the season is on the line…find a way to make a play.
NOBODY from that POS defense has any reason to act cocky about themself or have any swagger after bending over and taking it like they did.
I remember T. Kelly saying “We ain’t no choke artists”.
What do you call it then?
March 9th, 2012 at 8:34 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:19 am
If Manning goes to Denver or KC our defense is going to get toasted!
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So will everyone else’s.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:37 am
I’m sorry but if Reggie decided to replace EVERY SINGLE PLAYER on the defense (except for Shaughnessy, who is exempt cuz he wasn’t on the field) then I wouldn’t be upset at all.
They could replace everyone on the D with no names and practice squad guys from other teams and I bet they perform better than that overpaid group of garbage wearing Raider helmets last yr.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:37 am
The Elitist Socialist Political Network (ESPN) is all over the story of Peyton going to Den or KC. Weak division, both have great D’s and running games, solid WR’s, tons of cap money, good ownership and GM’s. ESPN talking heads are actually making sense. Bad news for the Raiders for the next 3-4 years if he does go to either team. Raiders are pretty well screwed for the next 3-4 seasons as far as cap and draft picks go. Al and Hue created a dumpster fire. That’s a shame…
March 9th, 2012 at 8:39 am
PFT: DENVER “DESPERATELY” WANTS PEYTON MANNING
REPORT: CHIEFS HAVE ALREADY OFFERED PEYTON MANNING A CONTRACT
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LMFAO!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:41 am
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/49ers-place-original-round-tender-on-Gra?blockID=666416&feedID=5884
March 9th, 2012 at 8:42 am
We will win the west.
Print it!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:43 am
2 voideble yrs for carson. Thats how you work the cap.. Who was talking sht about my personal finances when I was trying to explain how we can morgage the future and still turn it right around to get under the cap?
March 9th, 2012 at 8:44 am
#262 Woops. I though you meant CW. I thought cutting TK would save at least 4-5 million maybe more. Sorry that is what cutting CW will save.
$$$$$$$$$$
I’m really confused now.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Joker, that just means Reggie better get on the ball and get guys like a Mario, Freeney, Finnegan and Carr in here!
Then I might just feel comfortable…BRING MANNING ON!!!
That fool won’t have the time and day with our “D”!!
And then…I woke up!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:45 am
If they get manning, we NEED super mario
March 9th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Where is Bcz?????
Did you people (RR & Vegas) scare him away with all that negative attitude talk?
March 9th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Sign Mario & Carr, and I will never ask managment for anything else.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Bcz is probably sorting out our new cap #s..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Trade Wimbley, and sign Mario Williams.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:49 am
1960, so what is it that you do with Kelly?
Cut him, trade him or pay him?
March 9th, 2012 at 8:49 am
MH,
He is a hard worker. He has a good work ethic.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Before mario was hey luxury we didn’t really need.. but if manning comes to the west, super mario becomes the key to the next 4 yrs..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Mario was a luxury?!?!
Our defense was one of the worse defenses since the merger, and adding Mario is a luxury?!
You People….
March 9th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Worst*
March 9th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Cut or restructure every bit of fat until we can sign mario..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Is adding a FA CB another luxury? How many TD passes did our defense allow? 28/29
March 9th, 2012 at 8:54 am
ESPN blowing it up…talking Manning and AFC West (DONKS and QWEEFS)!
SMH…hope Reggie is watching this!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Zero chance Mario comes here. Texans will do what it takes to keep him.
Have a gr8 day nation!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:57 am
We Need an every down DE who has great rushing skills (Mario), and we need to add another CB.
We don’t need a LB or DT/ NT as much as we need a DE and CB IMO.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Peyton will go to Miami
March 9th, 2012 at 8:57 am
O I didnt say adding to the d wasnt necessary. Only that mario, the most expensive player in fa might not be the best choice to fill our many holes..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Texans will not resign Mario!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:59 am
However, if manning does come to the west, mario becomes more important..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Larry Grant – LB – 49ers
49ers reportedly placed an original, seventh-round tender on restricted free agent ILB Larry Grant.
The original-round tender comes with a salary of approximately $1.26 million. The other option was a second-round tender at $1.92 million. In saving $700,000, the Niners stand a good chance to lose Grant for the price of just a seventh-round pick. He more than held his own as a fill-in for Patrick Willis in December.
Source: CSN Bay Area Mar 9 – 11:46 AM
Lofa Tatupu – LB – Seahawks
Free agent MLB Lofa Tatupu worked out for the Falcons on Friday.
Tatupu had visited the Saints and Titans last month. Expected to lose Curtis Lofton to free agency, the Falcons are looking for low-cost alternatives. Tatupu will have to prove to interested teams that he’s over his knee troubles of the past couple of years.
Related: Falcons
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 9 – 11:40 AM
March 9th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Didnt texas already say marios out?
March 9th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Lbs grant and farrior look like raiders
March 9th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Let Allen install his scheme then worry about players that fit the scheme
March 9th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Yeah, the Texans are not going to re-sign Mario. Been saying this for months.
Unfortunate that the Raiders’ cap situation puts them out of the running.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:04 am
MH,
I have to disagree with you. We don’t have draft picks, it’s hard to find players like Mario, (great pass rushers with his size/ speed/ strength) they usually never become FAs, and we need a DE. Adding Mario can solve a lot of our problems.
DE: Mario
DT: Houston
DT: Seymour/ Bryant
DE: Matt S/ Bryant
SLB: Curry
MLB: McClain
WLB: Goethel/ FA/ Rookie
FS: Huff
SS: Branch
Who needs CBs? lol
March 9th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I would love it if we were able to get Curtis Lofton away from the Falcons.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Let Allen install his scheme then worry about players that fit the scheme
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Well, as Allen himself said – the players the Raiders have available to them.
The biggest factor right now in determining what the Raiders are going to try to do on defense is whether or not Wimbley sticks around. We’ll know that today.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:06 am
All this qb talk of Peyton Manning being the big domino followed by Luck and RGIII then Flynn not one mention of good ol Jason Campbell
March 9th, 2012 at 9:08 am
I have to disagree with you. We don’t have draft picks, it’s hard to find players like Mario, (great pass rushers with his size/ speed/ strength) they usually never become FAs, and we need a DE. Adding Mario can solve a lot of our problems.
DE: Mario
DT: Houston
DT: Seymour/ Bryant
DE: Matt S/ Bryant
SLB: Curry
MLB: McClain
WLB: Goethel/ FA/ Rookie
FS: Huff
SS: Branch
Who needs CBs? lol
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what do you suggest happens to Tommy KellY?
March 9th, 2012 at 9:09 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:06 am
All this qb talk of Peyton Manning being the big domino followed by Luck and RGIII then Flynn not one mention of good ol Jason Campbell
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Campbell will be the fallback plan for whichever team DOESN’T end up with Peyton, Flynn or RGIII.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I’m not ready to give up on Mario. I know we have salary cap issues, but I trust Reggie and the org to work them out.
I don’t think Reggie will sign any big name FAs due to his background at GB. I think the only big name FS signed with GB in the last decade was Charles Woodson.
I’m still hopefully since Mario is a game changer like Charles.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Hopeful*
March 9th, 2012 at 9:09 am
what do you suggest happens to Tommy KellY?
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Cut or traded. At this point, most likely cut.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Campbell back to the Skins?
March 9th, 2012 at 9:11 am
what do you suggest happens to Tommy KellY?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I think he gets released or traded. We have Seymour, Houston, and Bryant. We don’t need another UT.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I think he gets released or traded. We have Seymour, Houston, and Bryant. We don’t need another UT.
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So why did McK keep Seymour instead of Kelly?
He is insane?
Kelly isn’t going anywhere. Jeesh.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:17 am
r8eray Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Campbell back to the Skins?
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my guess is Seattle, think Browns Skins and Seahawks are the only teams that see him as an upgrade at QB think the Browns get RGIII so he ends up in Seattle with ZMiller Robert Gallery and the Wife Beater
March 9th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Oh, and Allen, that values sacks, is going to cut both our number one AND two sack specialists from last year?
Please people…
March 9th, 2012 at 9:19 am
So why did McK keep Seymour instead of Kelly?
He is insane?
Kelly isn’t going anywhere. Jeesh.
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Because Seymour’s salary would have been impossible to dump. He’d end up paying Seymour more for not paying that he would pay Kelly, Houston, and Bryant combined for playing. Plus Seymour is a veteran and team captain.
Remember, Kelly had a single good season before he had Seymour playing next to him.
Kelly is overrated. He’s a liability against the run, and one of four 3-tech DTs on the roster. He’s also one of the oldest, but far more expensive than Bryant and Houston. Still not as expensive as Seymour, and much easier to cut.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:19 am
You are comparing Seymour to TK?!
Are YOU insane?
Jeesh!!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:19 am
“r8eray Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Campbell back to the Skins?”
He will be a Jet is where my money is.
He could take that job from Sanchez.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Oh, and Allen, that values sacks, is going to cut both our number one AND two sack specialists from last year?
Please people…
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If Wimbley’s cut, that’s a contract thing; Allen’s got nothing to do with it.
As for Kelly: it all depends on whether a place can be found for him in Allen and Tarver’s new scheme. He’s a good pass-rushing UT playing out of position at NT who doesn’t play the run terribly well.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Btw, Seymour is the reason behind TK improving his play the last few years.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:19 am
“r8eray Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Campbell back to the Skins?”
He will be a Jet is where my money is.
He could take that job from Sanchez.
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could he handle the NY media, had a tough time handling the pressure from Grads?
March 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Larry Grant – LB – 49ers
49ers reportedly placed an original, seventh-round tender on restricted free agent ILB Larry Grant.
The original-round tender comes with a salary of approximately $1.26 million. The other option was a second-round tender at $1.92 million. In saving $700,000, the Niners stand a good chance to lose Grant for the price of just a seventh-round pick. He more than held his own as a fill-in for Patrick Willis in December.
Source: CSN Bay Area Mar 9 – 11:46 AM
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We don’t have a 7th round pick. To sign RFA’s the pick has to be from the year you sign him.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Well said YA.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:26 am
All the “rah rah” stuff from Huff is nice, but all I ask from him is next time u have a team at their own 1/2 yd line and the season is on the line…find a way to make a play.
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I’m not a Huff fan, but to be fair, he was sidelined for Detroit… and prolly would have made a play on the Megatron “pass” (more like a wounded duck.)
Boyd was off looking at the cheerleaders…
March 9th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Bcz,
Can we offer them a 6th If we sign him, or it has to be a 7th.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Houston Texans impending free-agent LB Mario Williams said he is not looking to become the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history this offseason and wants to sign with a team that has a chance to win. Williams said he would love to come back to the Texans but is not sure what their intentions are this offseason. The Texans are working on trying to clear enough salary cap space that will allow them of make Williams a competitive offer.
John McClain
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Raiders in rebuild mode. Stranger things have happened but not exactly a guarantee of being a “winning” team.
Mario is not coming to Oakland me thinks…
Have a gr8 day Raider Nation!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:29 am
323. Boyd needs to be cut. Not good…
March 9th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Williams said he would love to come back to the Texans but is not sure what their intentions are this offseason. The Texans are working on trying to clear enough salary cap space that will allow them of make Williams a competitive offer.
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I don’t think the Texans can resign him. They still have to sign foster to long term deal, they have A Johnson/ JJ/Schuab making a lot of money, so I can’t see how they can afford to resign Mario.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:34 am
I thought Boyd was a FA, so we don’t need to cut him.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am
He’s a good pass-rushing UT playing out of position at NT who doesn’t play the run terribly well.
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He’s had more sacks and tackles than Seymour last two years. Why would Seymour stay?
Nobody seems to have an answer.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I think Foster was already signed to a long term!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I forget to add D Ryans and Antinio Smith as other high salary players for the Texans.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am
He’s a good pass-rushing UT playing out of position at NT who doesn’t play the run terribly well.
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He’s had more sacks and tackles than Seymour last two years. Why would Seymour stay?
Nobody seems to have an answer.
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Except for the answer that I gave you above.
Seymour was also willing to re-structure his contract, which helped immensely.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:41 am
TK & Seymour have 15.5 sacks in the last 3 years.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:42 am
I’d rather the Raiders saved some money at their deepest position by keeping the younger, cheaper players over a middle-of-the-road player who only produced with a Pro Bowl talent next to him.
Sure, Seymour is far from what he was with New England. But he commands respect in the locker room, and wants to be a Raider going forward, unlike guys like Wimbley who only want to go where they’ll get the most guaranteed money.
If the $5 or $6 million the Raiders can save by cutting or trading Kelly can help them shore up positions that aren’t nearly as deep as their 3-tech DT position is, then why shouldn’t they do it? Personally I’d rather have Aubrayo Franklin for less than half of what TK is making. Franklin would allow the Raiders to show 3-4 looks and do so effectively.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:44 am
334, YA…good post!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:45 am
TK had 1 sack in 2009, 7 in 2010, and 7.5 in 2011.
Seymour had 4 in 2009, 5.5 in 2010, and 6 in 2011.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am
He’s a good pass-rushing UT playing out of position at NT who doesn’t play the run terribly well.
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He’s had more sacks and tackles than Seymour last two years. Why would Seymour stay?
Nobody seems to have an answer.
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He’s had the sacks and tackles because Seymour ties up blockers. Doesn’t mean he’s a better players.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:50 am
He’s had the sacks and tackles because Seymour ties up blockers. Doesn’t mean he’s a better players.
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Debatable… especially last two years.
Younger, cheaper… and less injured is not debatable.
Look, either Kelly is staying, or McK is a complete moron.
I think its the former.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Seymour is ONE year older than TK.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Less than 10 months!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Yeah right.
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Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Btw, Seymour is the reason behind TK improving his play the last few years.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Good then, palmer needed to restructure his outlandish contract based on his terrible play last season.
Now he needs to restructure his mind, and avoid those flurries of pea brained interceptions!!!
Get it done Carson
March 9th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Who cares about the sacks their job is to stuff the run. Sacks should come from the edge and anything from the interior is just gravy.
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Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:45 am
TK had 1 sack in 2009, 7 in 2010, and 7.5 in 2011.
Seymour had 4 in 2009, 5.5 in 2010, and 6 in 2011.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:55 am
seymour makes everyone around him better now when shonasty come back the dline should be even more potent
need a run stopping NT though someone t clog the middle
in a 3-4 look.
but the only thing bout the 3-4 is we dont have all the pieces yet houston cant play 3-4 end
nor can kelly IMO
whos our ends an LB’s other than Mc Clain an maybe wimbley can MM34 play outside LB in a 3-4 def??????
March 9th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Seymour
Height: 6-6 Weight: 310 Age: 32
Born: 10/6/1979 Gadsden , SC
TK
Height: 6-6 Weight: 300 Age: 31
Born: 12/27/1980 Jackson , MS
March 9th, 2012 at 9:57 am
HELLO NATION!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I think we should stay with our 4-3 base defense.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:00 am
HELLO MIKE.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:02 am
What’s up Mike?
March 9th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Now that carson has restructured, can we dump him, or trade him, make room for peyton?
Can one of our board cap experts tell me how that could work or if its possible?
bcz24 i need your knowledge on this topic
Thanks
March 9th, 2012 at 10:04 am
After we cut Wimbley, we will not have enough guys to play OLB in 34. Im not sure Matt can be an every down OLB in 34. I did see him make a great play in zone, and he had an INT, buy I still have some doubts. The guy was injured a lot at College, so health is a concern too.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Good then, palmer needed to restructure his outlandish contract based on his terrible play last season.
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I think you and some others may have a misconception about what it really means to restructure a contract. Palmer lost NO money in this deal, and instead of having to wait for 16 equal $803,125 game checks, he gets his 12 million up front right now. Same amount. No player in the history of football will ever refuse to restructure their deal. It seems like I am just arguing symantics, but I just wanted to address this misconception.
Wimbley is NOT refusing to restructure. He is refusing to renegotiate new terms of his contract.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Now that carson has restructured, can we dump him, or trade him, make room for peyton?
$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Mistic, I think by Palmer restructuring, it means he wants to stay here. I’m sure Reggie can trade him, but not sure of the cap space ramifications.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:07 am
350.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Now that carson has restructured, can we dump him, or trade him, make room for peyton?
Can one of our board cap experts tell me how that could work or if its possible?
bcz24 i need your knowledge on this topic
Thanks
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Negative. The restructuring guaranteed he will be on the roster this year. His salary has been converted to bonus money which instantly guarantees it. We would take the full $12 million cap hit if we moved him now. If they were planning on moving him, they would have left his contract alone.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer lost NO money in this deal, and instead of having to wait for 16 equal $803,125 game checks, he gets his 12 million up front right now. Same amount.
Dammmmm, I wish I can get that in upfront or working for onloy 4 months!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:09 am
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Good then, palmer needed to restructure his outlandish contract based on his terrible play last season.
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I think you and some others may have a misconception about what it really means to restructure a contract. Palmer lost NO money in this deal, and instead of having to wait for 16 equal $803,125 game checks, he gets his 12 million up front right now. Same amount. No player in the history of football will ever refuse to restructure their deal. It seems like I am just arguing symantics, but I just wanted to address this misconception.
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Oh i see, so i other words they simply move the payouts, but the money doesnt change. thanks for clearing that up for me
Does doing something like this make the player more attractive as a possible trade piece?
March 9th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Does doing something like this make the player more attractive as a possible trade piece?
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It makes him more untradeable. Relax. Carson will be fine this year. Given Peyton’s precarious health, I’d rather have #3 anyway.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Cork,
Hire Bcz as a captologist. He should be compensated for all his hard work.
Great Work Ethic!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:12 am
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:07 am
350.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Now that carson has restructured, can we dump him, or trade him, make room for peyton?
Can one of our board cap experts tell me how that could work or if its possible?
bcz24 i need your knowledge on this topic
Thanks
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Negative. The restructuring guaranteed he will be on the roster this year. His salary has been converted to bonus money which instantly guarantees it. We would take the full $12 million cap hit if we moved him now. If they were planning on moving him, they would have left his contract alone.
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Damn dude, we argue a lot but I have to say that the board would be much less intelligent or knowledgeable without your input bra.
Thanks again
(hopes dashed) lol
March 9th, 2012 at 10:13 am
I admit I thought Kelly was a lot younger than that… but what, 10 mill cheaper?? No knee injuries.
And what do we do for depth at DL? A restructured Kelly wouldn’t be much of a cap hit. I don’t care what anyone sez… Kelly has been our most consistent DL the last two years. I agree with Cork on this.. I don’t understand the lack of respect he gets from Raider fans.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I respect TK, but I don’t agree with you that he is at the same level as Seymour. I also think you forgot to consider the fact that Seymour restructured his contract. I don’t Seymour is costing $10 million more against the cap.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:19 am
TK had knee Injuries.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I don’t think* Seymour is ….
March 9th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Yeah, I know what you mean. The problem with Wimbley’s contract is that it has so many different installments of guaranteed money if he doesn’t change it that of course he doesn’t want to change it. And it’s a pretty rediculous contract.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Dakoa is right. You People run away when someone mentions the words Work Ethic.
LMAO
March 9th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Again, Gdog – there are 3 other 3-tech DTs on the roster. That’s more than enough depth without Kelly.
His cap hit is also much higher than Seymour’s now that Seymour restructured.
I know you don’t care what anyone says – that’s why you’ve been ignoring mine and most other people’s posts.
Sacks don’t mean much when Kelly is leaving his gap, opening up huge run lanes – especially when Kelly is technically supposed to be playing 1-tech DT, or a 4-3 NT.
And even then, Kelly’s sack numbers didn’t even come close to this before Seymour was playing next to him.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Mario Williams will land in Jacksonville, will you fools quit dreaming he will not be a Raider, now if Al was still around I could see him being a Raider. Get real guys.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am
The biggest problem with Wimbley’s contract is that if he’s on the roster beyond the 17th, he gets money from future years guaranteed, as well. Really limits the Raiders’ options going forward.
I think Wimbley is a valuable player to the Raiders, but at this point it’s likely that he’s a goner.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Nothing wrong with having dreams.
Sign Mario Williams and B Carr.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:26 am
If Jacksonville spends a draft pick on Coples instead of going all-in on Mario Williams, that franchise is f***ed.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:27 am
There is no way they pay Palmer 11 Million dollars as a bonus then cut him.
Lets be real here he restructured and by doing so he got a ton of up front money as a bonus.
Why would Reggie give him 11 million dollars just to cut him.
Whats really going on here is that Reggie is showing his commitment to Palmer by paying him up front.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I really hope Manning goes to Denver and sets that franchise back another couple years.
I realize he’s Peyton Manning and all… but four neck surgeries in the matter of a couple years? Yeah, that’s not a long-term solution, folks. Especially in a division that can bring pressure.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Wimbley’s contract was absurd to start with.
Al must of had a Hall and Walker flash back or on the good stuff wheh he wrote that contract.
Cut em and get it over with already!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Marshawn lynch and stevie johnson where dreams too, lol
March 9th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Carson, Seymour and Huff are TEAM players!
It seems like Wimbley is not being a TEAM players, so it’s looks like it’s ADIOS to him and his selfishness and greed!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Carson, Seymour and Huff are TEAM players!
It seems like Wimbley is not being a TEAM players, so it’s looks like it’s ADIOS to him and his selfishness and greed!
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Nah, actually not. They didn’t take a DIME of a pay cut. In fact, they just got paid up front so that instead of “salary” it was “bonus” and thus didn’t all count this year but was spread more over the next few years.
It’s just spreading the pain over a few years instead of all of the rediculous “cap hit” being this year.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:35 am
All this talk of “kicking the can down the road” is probably moot anyway since the NFL is renewing its TV deal in 2014, and the salary cap could be raised significantly. Great work by ReggieMac getting these deals restructured. Today the axe comes out.
Kam, as much as I’d love to have you back, happy trails. TK, I think it’s time to say goodbye too. Eugene, CJ37, Henderson, see ya…
I think they announce a long term deal with Branch soon that reduces the cap even further.
But today the axeman cometh….
March 9th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Nothing wrong with having dreams.
Sign Mario Williams and B Carr.
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Once was quoted by a historic icon “I have a dream” ain’t nothing wrong with that!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
AC will restructure.
Kam will walk.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Cut TK and sign Soali!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:36 am
376.DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Carson, Seymour and Huff are TEAM players!
It seems like Wimbley is not being a TEAM players, so it’s looks like it’s ADIOS to him and his selfishness and greed!
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he man has the right to make his money and get as much as he can for his labor. We do it all the time in the workforce. Totally acceptable in a capitalist society. My only issue is his price does not justify the need!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Can we at least agree that CP3, Seymour, and Huff have at least approximated the value of their original deals by restructuring w/o pay cut, and that Kam W’s contract is beyond obscene and needed to be thrown out? Kam W’s not going to get that obscene money back on the open market. He’s just not interested in anything past short term maximum dollars. That’s what you can definitely call “not being a team player”.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Yea Wimbly is being selfish he got way more than he should of and should at least have the dignity to take a pay cut since he underachieved his contract that al gave him. I expect him to get cut tonight or tomorrow, we all know its coming. His loss not ours the teams that can afford him aren’t going to be good anyways and he sure the hell won’t make a big impact, he is not a game changer.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:41 am
guest123 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Can we at least agree that CP3, Seymour, and Huff have at least approximated the value of their original deals by restructuring w/o pay cut, and that Kam W’s contract is beyond obscene and needed to be thrown out? Kam W’s not going to get that obscene money back on the open market. He’s just not interested in anything past short term maximum dollars. That’s what you can definitely call “not being a team player”.
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And, he’ll actually get more because he’s getting paid 6.5 mil guaranteed from us no matter what. So 6.5 mil from us plus another 10-15 mil downpayment on another contract means he’s making a hellova lot more by not being willing to negotiate.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Bills resign Kirk Morrison per PFT to a 2 year deal did not mention the money.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Megatron is set to make 22 million in this, the final year of his contract. If the Lions don’t sign him to a deal before the 2013 season his cap number will be 27.5 million.
These are the type of numbers that Mario Williams will command on the open market. I’d love to have him, but there’s no way we can tie up that kind of money in one player.
Too much money tied up in too few players. Hopefully Reggie is smarter than that.
Jacksonville also would do well to avoid Mario Williams. They are a small market team that is also not a very good team. It would be the height of stupidity for them to tie up 20% of their entire salary cap with one contract.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:45 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:41 am
guest123 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Can we at least agree that CP3, Seymour, and Huff have at least approximated the value of their original deals by restructuring w/o pay cut, and that Kam W’s contract is beyond obscene and needed to be thrown out? Kam W’s not going to get that obscene money back on the open market. He’s just not interested in anything past short term maximum dollars. That’s what you can definitely call “not being a team player”.
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And, he’ll actually get more because he’s getting paid 6.5 mil guaranteed from us no matter what. So 6.5 mil from us plus another 10-15 mil downpayment on another contract means he’s making a hellova lot more by not being willing to negotiate.
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I question his love of the game. Someone that willing to sacrifice long term security for short term money is someone who’s not long for the game. I bet he’s the type that decides to retire young and walk away with as much dough as he can. Whatever he promises his future team in effort, I bet he lets them down as he sees no point in getting his motor up for a new payday that he doesn’t care about anymore. He’s all about today and eff tommorow.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Wimbley and Routt both took advantage of the last years of Al Davis and cashed in. Let the axe fall – this is a new era and it starts with reasonable contracts for marginal players
March 9th, 2012 at 10:47 am
r8dercain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 9:55 am
seymour makes everyone around him better
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Yeah. He had that D playing at a top level on their way to becoming the worst defense since the 1952 Texans… if u include penalty yards along with the horrific rushing and passing yards given up.
You could see how Seymour made all of them better while Detroit was going 98 yds.to ruin the season, and Seymour was inspirational and leading by example when they couldn’t man up and make one damn stop against Sd in the last game to at least give the offense a chance to score and go to the playoffs.
Yeah, he made everyone better.
Those clutch plays he made against Detroit, SD and Buffalo when we really needed ‘em set the tone for a wonderful defense.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Set a price, stick to it and go form there…
March 9th, 2012 at 10:55 am
# raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Carson, Seymour and Huff are TEAM players!
It seems like Wimbley is not being a TEAM players, so it’s looks like it’s ADIOS to him and his selfishness and greed!
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Nah, actually not. They didn’t take a DIME of a pay cut. In fact, they just got paid up front so that instead of “salary” it was “bonus” and thus didn’t all count this year but was spread more over the next few years.
It’s just spreading the pain over a few years instead of all of the rediculous “cap hit” being this year.
^^^^^^^^
It’s still more than what Wimbley is willing to do.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:55 am
John Clayton @ClaytonESPN
With restructures of contracts for Carson Palmer, Michael Huff and Richard Seymour, the Raiders are now $5.6 million over the salary cap.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:56 am
I have no problem with a player that refuses to renegotiate the terms of his deal to accomadate his team.
There is no loyalty in sports so why should a player alter the terms of a deal.
Why be upset about wimbly or call him selfish? If a player gets hurt and can never play another down the team will find any way they can to avoid paying out the entire deal. Look what just happened to peyton, players should do what ever they need to do to ensure that their deal is favorable for themselves, screw the team and salary cap
March 9th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Why be upset about wimbly or call him selfish? If a player gets hurt and can never play another down the team will find any way they can to avoid paying out the entire deal. Look what just happened to peyton, players should do what ever they need to do to ensure that their deal is favorable for themselves, screw the team and salary cap
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I agree with you… in theory. I still think Wimbley should take a paycut or be cut. I am a selfish fan that wants the best for my team.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:59 am
P. Gutty was saying that we could be closer to $2.6 over the cap. But that begs the question. What is the cap. Aren’t we going to know soon (like today or tommorow?). I think it’s going to be at least $2M to $3M more than projected to keep in line with expanded players benefits. Maybe we’re already at the cap with CP3, Huffy and Seymour’s restructures?
March 9th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Remember that Wimbley’s agent is the one that waited to the option year of his rookie contract after he was traded to bring up the 30% rule violation…that Wimbley would be making too much money. Raiders got screwed by the league, the Browns and Wimbley’s agent.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:00 am
P. Manning on his way to Denver today for a visit.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:01 am
if there was no one worthy of the tag, what should we have done?
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@Hwnrdr
not tag anybody !!!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:01 am
P. Gutty was saying that we could be closer to $2.6 over the cap. But that begs the question. What is the cap. Aren’t we going to know soon (like today or tommorow?). I think it’s going to be at least $2M to $3M more than projected to keep in line with expanded players benefits. Maybe we’re already at the cap with CP3, Huffy and Seymour’s restructures?
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Clayton was saying $5.6 mill because that is where we stand, Gutty took into account the $3 million of last years cap we are going to use this year.
The cap is staying flat this year, and probably will only go up a nominal amount next year, but in 2014 it is set to jump as much as 30% (roughly $36 million!)
March 9th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Just pay Wimbley to walk away. Wash our hands of him. I’ve already put him in the Michael Bush category. He’s like an ex-Raider now to me.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am
McKenzie must be having a good time trying to fix all the “oxycontin” contracts Mr Davis cooked up the past few years…
Wimbley, that was farcical.
Plunk, how’d the no-eating-doctor appt go? Sounds grim…
March 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Manning flying in to Denver tonight
March 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am
YoungAmerican Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:55 am
John Clayton @ClaytonESPN
With restructures of contracts for Carson Palmer, Michael Huff and Richard Seymour, the Raiders are now $5.6 million over the salary cap.
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How is it that John Clayton knows the new salary cap numbers when the league hasn’t released them yet?
March 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am
The cap is staying flat this year, and probably will only go up a nominal amount next year, but in 2014 it is set to jump as much as 30% (roughly $36 million!)
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good to know. thanks for sharing.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:04 am
How is it that John Clayton knows the new salary cap numbers when the league hasn’t released them yet?
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He doesn’t know the exact # but it is common knowledge amongst the league that the cap is staying flat this year.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Rumors are that the Chiefs have a deal on the table for Manning already.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Woody Paige of the Denver Post reiterated in a Friday morning column that free agent Peyton Manning is “not coming” to the Broncos, unless he’s on “the visiting team.”
Keep in mind that this column was published prior to Friday’s scheduling of Manning’s Broncos visit. It’s also worth noting that Paige’s name appears on the visit report along with Mike Klis. Paige gives several reasons for his theory that Manning won’t be a Bronco, including the cold weather, John Fox’s run-first offense, and the conflict of interest among Manning and Tim Tebow’s representatives, CAA. The visit to Denver could easily be a leverage ploy by the agents involved. We should have an answer in the next few days.
Related: Broncos
Source: Denver Post
March 9th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I would love to see Manning in the AFC west, so we can crush him twice yearly until he’s feeble. He won’t be the same guy on grass with new receivers. My guess is he ends up in Arizona, where his chances for success are better
March 9th, 2012 at 11:09 am
49ers reportedly placed an original, seventh-round tender on restricted free agent ILB Larry Grant.
The original-round tender comes with a salary of approximately $1.26 million. The other option was a second-round tender at $1.92 million. In saving $700,000, the Niners stand a good chance to lose Grant for the price of just a seventh-round pick. He more than held his own as a fill-in for Patrick Willis in December.
Source: CSN Bay Area
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Larry Grant anyone??????
March 9th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I respect TK, but I don’t agree with you that he is at the same level as Seymour. I also think you forgot to consider the fact that Seymour restructured his contract. I don’t Seymour is costing $10 million more against the cap.
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Its still over 5. His salary got turned into bonus is all, which is also what Kelly can do.. with less of a cap hit.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Do we have a 7th rounder or did we give that up for curry?
March 9th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Dutch,
I think its gone. (not sure though)
March 9th, 2012 at 11:15 am
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Again, Gdog – there are 3 other 3-tech DTs on the roster. That’s more than enough depth without Kelly.
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If all we are worried about is cap, Kelly could have been retained for 10 mill cheaper than Seymour.
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His cap hit is also much higher than Seymour’s now that Seymour restructured.
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1. Not true.
2. Why can’t Kelly restructure too??
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I know you don’t care what anyone says – that’s why you’ve been ignoring mine and most other people’s posts.
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Dude.. theres like 100 posts an hour on this blog… and 50% aren’t even about the Raiders, let alone football.
There are people that read EVERY post??
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Sacks don’t mean much when Kelly is leaving his gap, opening up huge run lanes – especially when Kelly is technically supposed to be playing 1-tech DT, or a 4-3 NT.
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Fair enough.
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And even then, Kelly’s sack numbers didn’t even come close to this before Seymour was playing next to him.
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Thats why we should keep BOTH. Use Kelly more in passing situations then.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Cut TK and sign Soali!!!
Since Seymour is staying we don’t need another 3-tec.
I’m tired of getting gashed on the run.
Fix it!!!
Blow the schit up and start fresh!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:19 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Woody Paige of the Denver Post reiterated in a Friday morning column that free agent Peyton Manning is “not coming” to the Broncos, unless he’s on “the visiting team.”
Keep in mind that this column was published prior to Friday’s scheduling of Manning’s Broncos visit. It’s also worth noting that Paige’s name appears on the visit report along with Mike Klis. Paige gives several reasons for his theory that Manning won’t be a Bronco, including the cold weather, John Fox’s run-first offense, and the conflict of interest among Manning and Tim Tebow’s representatives, CAA. The visit to Denver could easily be a leverage ploy by the agents involved. We should have an answer in the next few days.
Related: Broncos
Source: Denver Post
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Heard an awesome piece by Pat Kirwan on this subject yesterday on Sirius. He thinks Woody Paige is an idiot for bringing up the agent thing. He said in the past, if it was really going to be a problem, players would just dump the agent and get somebody else. He said the interest in Manning is very real and that it’s about time Elway got a “real QB” under center. LOL!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Gdog,I happen to agree with you on T.Kelly.I also don’t understand the contempt shown him by most Raider fans.He plays hard and doesn’t complain.He does what is asked of him.It seems he should be the type of player you’d want on your team.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:22 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:19 am
He thinks Woody Paige is an idiot for bringing up the agent thing.
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Woody Paige is an idiot, regardless. Can’t stand him on Around the Horn.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
March 9th, 2012 at 11:24 am
399.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:01 am
if there was no one worthy of the tag, what should we have done?
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@Hwnrdr
not tag anybody !!!
LOL…I know…I realized you said tha after I worte that…sorry, bro…Friday!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:28 am
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:04 am
How is it that John Clayton knows the new salary cap numbers when the league hasn’t released them yet?
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He doesn’t know the exact # but it is common knowledge amongst the league that the cap is staying flat this year.
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Haven’t seen anything to support that. What I have seen many times is that the numbers haven’t been released because the league and the NFLPA are negotiating to raise the cap to account for benefit cost inceases. It might stay flat, but if that was a sure thing they wouldn’t be negotiating.
I realize everybody wants the scoop, but if the actual number hasn’t been released it’s a little hard to say with any accuracy that the Raiders are 5.6 million over.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Woody Paige is an idiot that gets paid to give his opinion.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@bcz24
How does draft picks and the cap work? Do we sign the draft picks from the $120M number or are teams given more money?
Sorry for the supid question, friday.
Also I vote for bcz24 to run the chats…
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
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Then release the guy already! Kudos to Kam though for standing his ground. The Raiders made a commitment to him so he can’t reward them for not honoring that commitment. It amazes me that so many on this board insist Wimbley take a pay cut, yet put CP on a pedestal for ‘restructuring” his contract. If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I think Manning is going to Miami, Houston or Arizona and Wayne fill most likely follow him.
Reasons why the AFC teams comes first on list, is because he wants to play in a different conference than his brother.
Miami has a solid defense, and they would then be loaded on offense if they added Manning and Wayne to compliment Marshall and Bush and Thomas.
They would probably draft a pass catching TE in Round 2 or 3 also and go OLine or DLine with their first rounder.
If he Manning goes to Houston, they will be an instant Super Bowl contender, especially if Wayne follows, since he would be a perfect compliment to Andre Johnson, Daniels and Foster and Tate. Their OLine is solid and their D is good also.
If Manning and Wayne go to Zona, they would be perfect additions to compliment Fitz, Doucet and those additions would open up their running game with Wells and Williams also.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
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Then release the guy already! Kudos to Kam though for standing his ground. The Raiders made a commitment to him so he can’t reward them for not honoring that commitment. It amazes me that so many on this board insist Wimbley take a pay cut, yet put CP on a pedestal for ‘restructuring” his contract. If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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yep!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:44 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
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Then release the guy already! Kudos to Kam though for standing his ground. The Raiders made a commitment to him so he can’t reward them for not honoring that commitment. It amazes me that so many on this board insist Wimbley take a pay cut, yet put CP on a pedestal for ‘restructuring” his contract. If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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yep!
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Nope!
Wimbley should realize, that even by taking a pay cut to help with the salary cap or restructuring he will still be a millionaire.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I think Manning is going to Miami, Houston or Arizona and Wayne fill most likely follow him.
Reasons why the AFC teams comes first on list, is because he wants to play in a different conference than his brother.
Miami has a solid defense, and they would then be loaded on offense if they added Manning and Wayne to compliment Marshall and Bush and Thomas.
They would probably draft a pass catching TE in Round 2 or 3 also and go OLine or DLine with their first rounder.
If he Manning goes to Houston, they will be an instant Super Bowl contender, especially if Wayne follows, since he would be a perfect compliment to Andre Johnson, Daniels and Foster and Tate. Their OLine is solid and their D is good also.
If Manning and Wayne go to Zona, they would be perfect additions to compliment Fitz, Doucet and those additions would open up their running game with Wells and Williams also!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:48 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I think Manning is going to Miami, Houston or Arizona and Wayne fill most likely follow him.
Reasons why the AFC teams comes first on list, is because he wants to play in a different conference than his brother.
Miami has a solid defense, and they would then be loaded on offense if they added Manning and Wayne to compliment Marshall and Bush and Thomas.
They would probably draft a pass catching TE in Round 2 or 3 also and go OLine or DLine with their first rounder.
If he Manning goes to Houston, they will be an instant Super Bowl contender, especially if Wayne follows, since he would be a perfect compliment to Andre Johnson, Daniels and Foster and Tate. Their OLine is solid and their D is good also.
If Manning and Wayne go to Zona, they would be perfect additions to compliment Fitz, Doucet and those additions would open up their running game with Wells and Williams also.
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Arizona is an NFC team, and unlike Brett Favre, Peyton has too much class to go to his former teams’ division rival, so you can pretty much eliminate Houston.
He also won’t go to New York. That’s his brother’s town now, and he’s not going to start THAT media firestorm. If what Marshall Faulk is saying is true about him not wanting to play in the NFC, then that leaves Miami, Denver and the Chiefs. I hate to say it, but if I’m Manning I sign with KC. Best team of the three, and he won’t have to deal with Stephen Ross or John Elway. Crennel will let him do his thing, and concentrate on one of the best young defenses in the league.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:49 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:44 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
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Then release the guy already! Kudos to Kam though for standing his ground. The Raiders made a commitment to him so he can’t reward them for not honoring that commitment. It amazes me that so many on this board insist Wimbley take a pay cut, yet put CP on a pedestal for ‘restructuring” his contract. If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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yep!
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Nope!
Wimbley should realize, that even by taking a pay cut to help with the salary cap or restructuring he will still be a millionaire.
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Wimbley has no issue with “restructuring”. He just won’t take a pay “cut”. Big difference. If he takes a pay cut, he may still be a millionaire, but he won’t have as many millions as he would have if he turned the cut down. A no-brainer decision.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:50 am
NOBODY takes a pay cut, ESPECIALLY when one HAS a contract. Nobody!
Wimbley’s gotta get cut. I like the guy fine, don’t blame him but there is NO WAY we pay that guy $17.5 more million. Just gunna have to bite that bullet…
March 9th, 2012 at 11:53 am
It’s pretty simple with Wimbley. He got way too much money for a guy that is realistically a 6-7 sack per year guy. The Raiders know it, he knows it, and so does his agent.
Let him go, if that’s what he wants. It was a stupid contract and Al got fleeced. Water under the bridge.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:54 am
JLofty Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:50 am
NOBODY takes a pay cut, ESPECIALLY when one HAS a contract. Nobody!
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That’s all I’m saying. Anybody pissed at this guy is full of sht.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am
ET,Manning wants to also go to either a team with a doom or warm weather and for good reason.Look at his results when he plays in cold weather-not good.He’d be terrible in those freezing temps in Denver or KC.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Speaking of full of sht, has BSPN reported on Peyton’s bowel movements as of today yet? My curiosity is starting to get the best of me…
March 9th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Raiders Adjust Salaries to Get Under Cap
Carson Palmer and Richard Seymour agree to new deals to help team.
Friday, Mar 9, 2012
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Raiders-Adjust-Salaries-to-Get-Under-Cap-142064673.html
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So I guess we’re under?
March 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I’m not pissed at Wimbley, he is not a good enough player to be pissed and he doesn’t act like a lowlife azz off the field or on it. He is just overpaid, but still a millionaire.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
This is a new regime…new era! Agents are probably gonn afind out that if you want a big pay day…you cannot come to Oakland anymore! Jerry posted a tweet about Allen saying (not outright) that he will take a page out of the Whiners book…set a price and stick to it. Why FA that will fit the system and make it work! That is what is gonna happen! Thank you Kam…good luck to you!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I’m just keeping my fingers crossed it’s not the Bronco’s. Denver is my least favorite team in the league. I even like the Pats better. I want Tebow starting. Manning is the only guy in the league they could put on the roster and instantly become a favorite to go to the Super Bowl. Elway knows this.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Sorry…find FA’s that will fit the system
March 9th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:49 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:44 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
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Then release the guy already! Kudos to Kam though for standing his ground. The Raiders made a commitment to him so he can’t reward them for not honoring that commitment. It amazes me that so many on this board insist Wimbley take a pay cut, yet put CP on a pedestal for ‘restructuring” his contract. If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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yep!
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Nope!
Wimbley should realize, that even by taking a pay cut to help with the salary cap or restructuring he will still be a millionaire.
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Wimbley has no issue with “restructuring”. He just won’t take a pay “cut”. Big difference. If he takes a pay cut, he may still be a millionaire, but he won’t have as many millions as he would have if he turned the cut down. A no-brainer decision.
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why should any player change their deal to help the team? The team will cut players to avoid paying bonuses, if there is even a hint that the player has slowed just a step or was injured. Sorry but wimbly played well for us, even if he was over paid by dear old uncle Al.
He had a far better year than palmer, who stole money last year.
I respect wimbly he has never signed a contract then reneged on his commitment like palmer has. Wimbly is smart to do this get as much as you can in the limited time you have available to do it. I respect that.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
# hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Sorry…find FA’s that will fit the system
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Agreed. Mid-low tier free agents
March 9th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I’m not pissed at Wimbley, he is not a good enough player to be pissed and he doesn’t act like a lowlife azz off the field or on it. He is just overpaid, but still a millionaire.
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I don’t even know if I completely agree that he is overpaid. The top pass rusher on most teams is paid handsomely. Charles Johnson got a huge contract last year too and he only ended up with 9 sacks. Carolina’s D was the glaring weakness of the team, but their not scrambling to cut his pay. Wimbley was damn good two years ago under Marshall. Who knows what Wimbley would do under the new regime? Looks like we’re not gonna find out.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Al crossed the finish line to his life. He doesn’t care now about all those ridiculous contracts he left his son now. Who exactly was he bidding against to sign TK, KW, Routt anyway? Was it dementia? Mark should have had him checked and power of attorney to stop him from doing these deals. Too late now.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:49 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:44 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
The Raiders are expected to make a decision on OLB Kamerion Wimbley’s future by the end of the day on Friday.
To this point, all indications suggest Wimbley is not amenable to a pay cut because he’s set to become one of the most sought after free agents. That being the case, the Raiders are expected to release him rather than guaranteeing $17.5 million.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
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Then release the guy already! Kudos to Kam though for standing his ground. The Raiders made a commitment to him so he can’t reward them for not honoring that commitment. It amazes me that so many on this board insist Wimbley take a pay cut, yet put CP on a pedestal for ‘restructuring” his contract. If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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yep!
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Nope!
Wimbley should realize, that even by taking a pay cut to help with the salary cap or restructuring he will still be a millionaire.
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Wimbley has no issue with “restructuring”. He just won’t take a pay “cut”. Big difference. If he takes a pay cut, he may still be a millionaire, but he won’t have as many millions as he would have if he turned the cut down. A no-brainer decision.
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why should any player change their deal to help the team? The team will cut players to avoid paying bonuses, if there is even a hint that the player has slowed just a step or was injured. Sorry but wimbly played well for us, even if he was over paid by dear old uncle Al.
He had a far better year than palmer, who stole money last year.
I respect wimbly he has never signed a contract then reneged on his commitment like palmer has. Wimbly is smart to do this get as much as you can in the limited time you have available to do it. I respect that.
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Well said.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am
ET,Manning wants to also go to either a team with a doom or warm weather and for good reason.Look at his results when he plays in cold weather-not good.He’d be terrible in those freezing temps in Denver or KC.
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I’ve heard talking heads say he would prefer a dome, but I’ve heard talking heads say a lot of things.
One thing that ISN’T speculation is that Manning wants to play for a team that is ready to win. It was a topic in his and Irsay’s PC the other day. If he’s not going to the NFC (also speculation, but it comes from Marshall Faulk, who’s a friend of his) then he only has so many options.
What has Stephen Ross done to inspire confidence in someone like Peyton Manning? Think of the media circus with both Manning and Tebow in Denver. KC doesn’t have nearly the issues that Miami and Denver have, and they have a better football team than the other two.
Who else is there?
March 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It’s tough to see Wimbley walk. He’d be worth the $11M if it weren’t for the crazy guarantees going forward.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
guest123 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It’s tough to see Wimbley walk. He’d be worth the $11M if it weren’t for the crazy guarantees going forward.
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Yeah, but who wants to pay those additional $19 million in guarantees when he showed all the signs last year of “I’ve got my money, and now it’s time to coast.”
March 9th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Hardline Says:
March 8th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Sullivan44, #98
USC area is still horrible; straight up gang-banger heaven. Why do you think the Raiders got the hell out of the Colisium there ??
I remember I attended a game there during Elway’s rookie season when Plunkett was QB. I had an pickup at the time and a guy and his son pulled in a brand new Rolls-Royce Cornich, and parked it on the street. I told the guy he should pay $20 to park that car in a nearby lot, and he looked at me like, “Mind your own business.”
When the game was over I returned to my car. The guy and son were at their car, which had been broken into, with the entire dashboard pulled out laying across the front seats – wires looked like loose, out of control speghetti.
I felt sorry for him, but he was warned….
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BS. The area around USC/Exposition Park is far and away safer then it used to be, and the campus proper wasn’t even touched during the 1992 riots. Why? Good security and even the gang bangers respect the school grounds. It’s no different then any other large urban area, you just need to be alert. And Davis sure as schit didn’t leave because of the crime, he left because nobody has been willing to refurbish the Coliseum.
Tell me 92,000 screaming fans at the ‘83 AFC Championship Game didn’t give the old man a hard on. And, yes, I was there.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am
ET,Manning wants to also go to either a team with a doom or warm weather and for good reason.Look at his results when he plays in cold weather-not good.He’d be terrible in those freezing temps in Denver or KC.
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He would be worth 11 million if he was a good OLB that could also rush the passer. Trouble is, he’s not a very good linebacker and he’s only a pretty good pass rusher.
He got way overpaid by a team that was famous for stupid contracts. That’s done and dusted. Time to move on.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I respect wimbly he has never signed a contract then reneged on his commitment like palmer has.
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Well actually he did, his rookie contract he signed with the Browns. He refused to honor the bonus year with the Raiders. He signed a contract and refused to honor it, because it paid him too much money…
March 9th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@bcz24
How does draft picks and the cap work? Do we sign the draft picks from the $120M number or are teams given more money?
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You have to leave room to sign your picks.
Not really a problem for us with the new wage scale. It will cost less than 2 million to sign draft picks, and that is including any compensatory picks we may get.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
ET,he might end up in KC.That was one of the original places I thought he might go.Still,look at his performances in cold weather games.Not good.I’m sure that will also play into his decision.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I’m not sure why my last response was to Lefty’s. I was responding to this one;
guest123 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It’s tough to see Wimbley walk. He’d be worth the $11M if it weren’t for the crazy guarantees going forward.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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Yet you still believe the Jamarcus Russell earned his paycheck… Laughable.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Damned, I hope Miami actually. It looks like it’s down to Miami, KC or Denver.
Unless he really isn’t half of what he used to be (I don’t think he’d play if that were the case) I’d hate to see him with AFC West.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@bcz24
Thanks
March 9th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
guest123 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It’s tough to see Wimbley walk. He’d be worth the $11M if it weren’t for the crazy guarantees going forward.
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He would be worth 11 million if he was a good OLB that could also rush the passer. Trouble is, he’s not a very good linebacker and he’s only a pretty good pass rusher.
He got way overpaid by a team that was famous for stupid contracts. That’s done and dusted. Time to move on.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I respect wimbly he has never signed a contract then reneged on his commitment like palmer has.
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Well actually he did, his rookie contract he signed with the Browns. He refused to honor the bonus year with the Raiders. He signed a contract and refused to honor it, because it paid him too much money…
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i dont buy it Dutch,
Thats is called savy business and renegotiation, Palmer simply refused to come to work, not the same thing at all
March 9th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Dutch,facts won’t change his mind.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Well browns liked him so much they traded him for a mid round pick. (Wimbley). I think he’s good. If he were willing to give up some of the future guarantees we could keep him probably. Do something similar like the others. Give him a lot of money in “bonus” this year. Don’t make us stuck with each future year with no leverage at all.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Dutch,facts won’t change his mind.
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Facts? Has wimbly ever refused to show up for work? Yes or no
March 9th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Thats is called savy business and renegotiation, Palmer simply refused to come to work, not the same thing at all
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If the Bengals made promises to him above and beyond just the contract he signed to get him to sign the contract, like say different workout facilities, removal of certain cancerous teamates, a real commitment to doing what it takes to win and didn’t live up to those promises is Palmer still a quitter?
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I respect wimbly he has never signed a contract then reneged on his commitment like palmer has.
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Well actually he did, his rookie contract he signed with the Browns. He refused to honor the bonus year with the Raiders. He signed a contract and refused to honor it, because it paid him too much money…
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i dont buy it Dutch,
Thats is called savy business and renegotiation, Palmer simply refused to come to work, not the same thing at all
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Think the Raiders would have to given up a 3rd round pick for a player on the last year of his contract? I cannot imagine that the bonus year was not a selling point in the trade. The league approved not only Wimbley’s rookie contract, but also the trade. The agent waited until the bonus year to cry that it was an illegal contract.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
If there’s anyone on the team that shoud have his pay “cut”, it’s Palmer! The guy clearly didn’t live up to expectations here. We gave up premium picks to get to the playoffs and he loused it up with boneheaded interception after boneheaded interception. Meanwhile, all Wimbley did was continue to be the best pass rusher we have, even if it didn’t show up in sacks. To me, that guy has done nothing to deserve a pay cut. I wish him the best of luck.
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Yet you still believe the Jamarcus Russell earned his paycheck… Laughable.
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Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for? And at the end, he showed up ready to compete for his job and was kicking ass before he was cut off at the knees. At the end of the day though, the guy earned his contract by being selected #1 overall, just like Sam Bradford. If you want that money, go out back and practice throwing a football around. Maybe you’ll get drafted #1 in 2013. For having to put up with redneck fans like you, we should still be sending that dude checks.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
“Facts? Has wimbly ever refused to show up for work? Yes or no”
He had one good game last year so yeah he failed to show up the other 15 games!
The guy is just not a football person his priorities are not the NFL its his charities let him walk and get someone in there that will give you 100%.
No more scholarships for under achievers which is exactly what Wimbly is!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Wimbley is terrible against the run,he is terrible against the pass.His only quality is his ability to rush the passer and 3 sacks in 15 games shows he isn’t very good at that either.He is overpaid.Since he refuses to restructure good riddance,sucker some other team into overpaying for his services-or maybe I should say lack thereof.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I think Manning and Wayne will be going to Miami or Houston!
If him and Wayne go to Houston, they would be an instant Super Bowl contender!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Mistic1, last I checked this was America and people were not forced to work like slaves.
Palmer no longer wanted to work for that employer. He retired. He didn’t cash paychecks and lay down like some dogs I know. It’s America that his choice. Same choice you and I have too.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
464.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I respect wimbly he has never signed a contract then reneged on his commitment like palmer has.
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Well actually he did, his rookie contract he signed with the Browns. He refused to honor the bonus year with the Raiders. He signed a contract and refused to honor it, because it paid him too much money…
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i dont buy it Dutch,
Thats is called savy business and renegotiation, Palmer simply refused to come to work, not the same thing at all
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Think the Raiders would have to given up a 3rd round pick for a player on the last year of his contract? I cannot imagine that the bonus year was not a selling point in the trade. The league approved not only Wimbley’s rookie contract, but also the trade. The agent waited until the bonus year to cry that it was an illegal contract.
The agent was smart and stiffed Al…sad for Al (RIP)
March 9th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Thats is called savy business and renegotiation, Palmer simply refused to come to work, not the same thing at all
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If the Bengals made promises to him above and beyond just the contract he signed to get him to sign the contract, like say different workout facilities, removal of certain cancerous teamates, a real commitment to doing what it takes to win and didn’t live up to those promises is Palmer still a quitter?
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that would make him a quitter and a fool. You put your name on a legal binding document, now go to work. Hand shakes mean nothing in the entrainment biz. Entertainment biz will always be dirty biz.
“industry rule number 1080, record company people are shady” – Q- Tip
The same can be said for any branch of the entertainment industry
March 9th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
“Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?”
Your ignorance is blinding!
They guy fell asleep in meetings he was the last person to show up for work and the first to leave it is also well documented that Cable gave him a DVD with movies on it telling him it was the KC defense study film…..Cable later asked him if he watched the DVD and the retard said yes, Cable just nodded his head knowing the fat lazy retard had not watched it or he would have said where is my game film.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Manning to Visit Denver this Friday. Aww shhhh
March 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Well browns liked him so much they traded him for a mid round pick.
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Uh huh. He was a first round pick. The Brown got a fourth-rounder for him only four years later from Al Davis, which means that they probably got the best offer available.
Teams don’t give up a first-rounder for a fourth when a guy’s in his prime if they like him.
Face it, guys. We overpaid in a big way for a pretty good pass rusher that’s only marginal as a linebacker. You can bet that Wimbely and his agent know this and also know that they aren’t dealing with an eighty year old owner with one foot in the grave (no disrespect) anymore.
If someone is dumb enough to give the guy a big contract, more power to them. I’m just glad it won’t be the Raiders.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You put your name on a legal binding document, now go to work. Hand shakes mean nothing in the entrainment biz. Entertainment biz will always be dirty biz.
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See I knew you would agree! Wimbley should have honored the bonus year of his rookie contract, even though it technically violated the 30% rule, by paying him too much money. “You put your name on a legal binding document, now go to work.”
March 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You know 666, I still find that funny as heck that Russell did that! But it was a test and he failed!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Wimbley was traded for a 3rd rounder…
March 9th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
“Facts? Has wimbly ever refused to show up for work? Yes or no”
He had one good game last year so yeah he failed to show up the other 15 games!
The guy is just not a football person his priorities are not the NFL its his charities let him walk and get someone in there that will give you 100%.
No more scholarships for under achievers which is exactly what Wimbly is!
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Clever word play bra,
wimbly showed up to play. he did not sign a contract then make demands then go home. he honored his commitment even if he wasnt the impact player the money said he was. i have no problem with it
March 9th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Looks like Gasol finally got traded…
March 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Wimbley was traded for a 3rd rounder…
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Whatever. Doesn’t change the fact that Cleveland gave up on him and Al overpaid him.
Don’t blame him for sticking to his guns, but you can be sure that both he and his agent know that the situation is untenable.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Can’t believe there’s ANYBODY on this board who thinks JaMarcus earned a dime.
The players who actually earn money are the ones who do basic stuff like, for instance, LEARN THE PLAYBOOK.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You put your name on a legal binding document, now go to work. Hand shakes mean nothing in the entrainment biz. Entertainment biz will always be dirty biz.
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See I knew you would agree! Wimbley should have honored the bonus year of his rookie contract, even though it technically violated the 30% rule, by paying him too much money. “You put your name on a legal binding document, now go to work.”
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Dutch,
you are very slippery but you are trying to avoid the obvious.
Wimbly renegotiated in his own favor, this is diligent prudent business. he made no threats or demands other than those that affect his pay check. we see this in sports often both players and teams do this.
Palmer signed a deal, then made demands then quit, by refusing to show up for work.
two completely different things in my book
March 9th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Afternoon Fellas
Wimbley’s 6.5 is a sunk cost.
I don’t think Reggie will now throw more good money after bad.
Kam will get another deal, I’ll be very interested to see what the open market brings for him.
No hard feelings here, I just think the Raiders will be better served in the long run with contracts that reflect actual performance.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@edward teach
Too true, I thought that it made your point stronger.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Afternoon Fellas
Wimbley’s 6.5 is a sunk cost.
I don’t think Reggie will now throw more good money after bad.
Kam will get another deal, I’ll be very interested to see what the open market brings for him.
No hard feelings here, I just think the Raiders will be better served in the long run with contracts that reflect actual performance.
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And again, Wimbley pulled a major Kevin Duckworth last year. No reason to think he’ll get any MORE motivated if we throw more guaranteed $$$ at him.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Can’t believe there’s ANYBODY on this board who thinks JaMarcus earned a dime.
The players who actually earn money are the ones who do basic stuff like, for instance, LEARN THE PLAYBOOK.
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I sure wanted JaMarcus to succeed.
I rationalized a lot regarding his behavior and performance as a by product of his age.
At the end of the day, he was unwilling to make the commitment required of an NFL player.
Showing up, is not earning.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
The same can be said for any branch of the entertainment industry
472.Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
“Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?”
Your ignorance is blinding!
They guy fell asleep in meetings he was the last person to show up for work and the first to leave it is also well documented that Cable gave him a DVD with movies on it telling him it was the KC defense study film…..Cable later asked him if he watched the DVD and the retard said yes, Cable just nodded his head knowing the fat lazy retard had not watched it or he would have said where is my game film.
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The DVD story is a rumor that grew legs. Don’t know where you got Cable’s name. No one has ever been able to provide sources for that garbage. As far as his work ethic, I think I’ll go with his coach’s opinion instead of yours.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-training-camps/09000d5d8097d19e/Kiffin-happy-with-Russell-in-camp
March 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We all wanted Jamarcus to succeed. It’s just too bad that we wanted it more than Jamarcus did.
There are 31 other uninterested teams in a quarterback-driven league that validate this.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We all wanted Jamarcus to succeed. It’s just too bad that we wanted it more than Jamarcus did.
There are 31 other uninterested teams in a quarterback-driven league that validate this.
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Spot on.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
“Hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You know 666, I still find that funny as heck that Russell did that! But it was a test and he failed!”
It would be very funny if it were not for the fact that it set our team back!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Ray, where you saw that at?
March 9th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
edward teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We all wanted Jamarcus to succeed.
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I don’t believe that for one minute.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
“RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We all wanted Jamarcus to succeed. It’s just too bad that we wanted it more than Jamarcus did.
There are 31 other uninterested teams in a quarterback-driven league that validate this.
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Spot on.”
Very true!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
The same can be said for any branch of the entertainment industry
472.Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
“Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?”
Your ignorance is blinding!
They guy fell asleep in meetings he was the last person to show up for work and the first to leave it is also well documented that Cable gave him a DVD with movies on it telling him it was the KC defense study film…..Cable later asked him if he watched the DVD and the retard said yes, Cable just nodded his head knowing the fat lazy retard had not watched it or he would have said where is my game film.
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The DVD story is a rumor that grew legs. Don’t know where you got Cable’s name. No one has ever been able to provide sources for that garbage. As far as his work ethic, I think I’ll go with his coach’s opinion instead of yours.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-training-camps/09000d5d8097d19e/Kiffin-happy-with-Russell-in-camp
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A coach trying to talk up a young player currently on the roster is not an impartial source.
After JaPaycheck was finally sent on his lazy, obese way and replaced by Soup, Zach Miller was quoted as saying what nice change it was to have a starting QB who actually knew the entire playbook.
March 9th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
490.Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
“Hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You know 666, I still find that funny as heck that Russell did that! But it was a test and he failed!”
It would be very funny if it were not for the fact that it set our team back!
I know, hence why he was cut!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Funny, anytime Debo post about a player, it eventually turns into people being unable to counter his arguments, then trying to throw jamarcuss at him.
Instead of having a response to what debo posts you bring up russel, that is the same as conceding the argument.
Just the same as when i post some fools that dont have the acumen to defeat my case want to bring up another qb that is no longer here.
Some of you cats are juts weak
March 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
492.RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
edward teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We all wanted Jamarcus to succeed.
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I don’t believe that for one minute.
You don’t have to believe him…I rooted for Russell til the very end…I never booed him, in fact, I never boo my team! He was a Raider and I root for him, but he never showed the fans anything!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
We are talking about WIMBLY AND PALMER, how the fugg did no.2 get involved?
March 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Manning to Denver put that down. This Friday!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Hey I didn’t bring it up…I just responded to other people’s post…I responded to Debo when he said that he didn’t buy into Edward Teach when he said that he rooted for Russell…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
499.Raider2DaHeart Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Manning to Denver put that down. This Friday!!!
He is flying there first…we’ll see!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
“We are talking about WIMBLY AND PALMER, how the fugg did no.2 get involved?”
Wimbly = underachiever over paid and was given to us by Cleveland for a 3rd or 4th round pick not thought of very highly.
Palmer = Is your Oakland Raiders starting QB get in line with it they paid him his money in advance showing their commitment to him.
Why argue about it.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?
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Ummm yeah you moron he didn’t report to the team after being drafted #1 overall until September 12th.
You have to be the dumbest football fan ever. The only proof I need that Jameatball is garbarge qb is the fact that he was 7-18 as a starter… He won a whopping 28% of his starts. Oh another piece of evidence that he SUCKS… 2 years after we cut him… he is STILL a ‘free agent’.
Want evidence that he was lazy? Look at his stomach as he walked onto the field… The bum’s stomach jiggle made Vince Wilfork jealous!
He admitted he was a junkie.
He defaulted on his mortgage in Oakland… How does a millionaire manage that one.
Yup, a real freakin role model.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Hey I didn’t bring it up…I just responded to other people’s post…I responded to Debo when he said that he didn’t buy into Edward Teach when he said that he rooted for Russell…
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I know bra,
the ones that always do this also are guilty today, and of course they have gone cricket mode since being called out on that weak azz tactic.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
?? Debo is a guy??
March 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Zach Miller was quoted as saying what nice change it was to have a starting QB who actually knew the entire playbook.
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The only three words Zach Miller should say about JR are THANK, YOU and SIR! JR made a star out of that dude and got him paid in Seattle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaDtDE5aypI
March 9th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Hawaiian, its all over the web!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
“We are talking about WIMBLY AND PALMER, how the fugg did no.2 get involved?”
Wimbly = underachiever over paid and was given to us by Cleveland for a 3rd or 4th round pick not thought of very highly.
Palmer = Is your Oakland Raiders starting QB get in line with it they paid him his money in advance showing their commitment to him.
Why argue about it.
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you missed it, we were not arguing at all.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
edward teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We all wanted Jamarcus to succeed.
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I don’t believe that for one minute.
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I don’t care if you believe it or not. Your posts regarding Russell have completely eliminated your credibility in here anyway.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Thanks Mistic…
Ray, I still don’t see it…I seen one comment that he was traded to the Clippers, but that’s it…I’ll keep looking
March 9th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@505, LOL!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
let me ask this…. anybody else here have a #2 jersey hanging in there closet?
i agree with Teach here. i know i wanted him to succeed.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
“Facts? Has wimbly ever refused to show up for work? Yes or no”
He had one good game last year so yeah he failed to show up the other 15 games!
The guy is just not a football person his priorities are not the NFL its his charities let him walk and get someone in there that will give you 100%.
No more scholarships for under achievers which is exactly what Wimbly is!
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Clever word play bra,
wimbly showed up to play. he did not sign a contract then make demands then go home. he honored his commitment even if he wasnt the impact player the money said he was. i have no problem with it
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I do! I think he should live up to the amount being paid for. It’s called exchange. You give me blah and I will give you blah. You give me this HUGE contract, I will give you in return all this production.
Remember when Javon Walker tried to give back money Al Davis and he didn’t accept it! Well…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
http://www.bing.com/social/search/updates?q=pau%20gasol&p1=%5bSocialTweetAnswer%20src=%22tw%22%5d%5bSocialAnswer%20src=%22tw%22%5d&FORM=TWWDSO
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Funny, anytime Debo post about a player, it eventually turns into people being unable to counter his arguments, then trying to throw jamarcuss at him.
Instead of having a response to what debo posts you bring up russel, that is the same as conceding the argument.
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You got it twisted bruh… That fool can’t hang with me. HE resorts to calling me a racist, redneck, Nazi because he knows he can’t hang with me.
What facts CAN I post to argue with his OPINION, except to point out that his opinion of Palmer is EXTREMELY hypocritical considering his undying support of the big Deuce. All I need to do is point out that he thinks that THIEF is an ‘excellent’ QB and I have easily discredited any of his opinions.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
How did Palmer get brought into the Wimbley debate?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?
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Ummm yeah you moron he didn’t report to the team after being drafted #1 overall until September 12th.
You have to be the dumbest football fan ever. The only proof I need that Jameatball is garbarge qb is the fact that he was 7-18 as a starter… He won a whopping 28% of his starts. Oh another piece of evidence that he SUCKS… 2 years after we cut him… he is STILL a ‘free agent’.
He admitted he was a junkie.
He defaulted on his mortgage in Oakland… How does a millionaire manage that one.
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Where do I start? 7-18 as a starter?? If that happened in New England or Pittsburgh, you might have a point. The guy should get a medal for winning the games he did with the garbage supporting cast and coaches he had to work with. The team won TWO fking games the year before he was drafted! As far as the mortgage payments, he sold the house. And please provide a link where JR admits to being a junkie. I’ll be waiting.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Mistic,
I can’t tell if your last post was meant to portray me as being disingenuous when it came to my past support of Russell, but it’s all in the archives.
I wanted Russell to succeed and supported him right up until it was clear that he was the problem. Look it up if you want to.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Zach Miller was quoted as saying what nice change it was to have a starting QB who actually knew the entire playbook.
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The only three words Zach Miller should say about JR are THANK, YOU and SIR! JR made a star out of that dude and got him paid in Seattle.
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BS. Miller played well despite a litny of lower tier, 4th rate QBs. JC was at least 3rd rate. So many people were shocked by the fact that we finally had weapons that could turn check downs into 80 yard gains that suddenly they thought he was the 2nd coming.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Longtime basketball writer Roland Lazenby reports that Pau Gasol has been traded, but Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports refutes the report.
Lazenby offered no details on where he is going or for whom Gasol has been traded for, but is reporting that more information will be given shortly. Wojnaroski has said that while Houston has been close in pulling off a deal, there is nothing imminent. Stay tuned.
Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter Mar 9 – 3:32 PM
March 9th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
LOL, Ray…that site is now saying that someone posted it on twitter…not confirmed yet
March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Wimbley has no issue with “restructuring”. He just won’t take a pay “cut”. Big difference
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Is this true or did someone make this up?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Funny, anytime Debo post about a player, it eventually turns into people being unable to counter his arguments, then trying to throw jamarcuss at him.
Instead of having a response to what debo posts you bring up russel, that is the same as conceding the argument.
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You got it twisted bruh… That fool can’t hang with me. HE resorts to calling me a racist, redneck, Nazi because he knows he can’t hang with me.
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I call you a racist because I can’t hang with you??? You’re a fking card-carrying KKK member because of the racist filth you posted on this site a couple of years ago. You know it and I know it you POS! Quit lying.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Ok, Debo, I heard he walked away from his house, also. if you can provide a link saying that he sold it, I’ll leave that part alone!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5460278
Jamarcus Russell admits to FAILING a drug test AFTER being drafted by the Raiders for codiene use.
If you do drugs and it interferes with your job you are a JUNKIE
March 9th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I call you a racist because I can’t hang with you??? You’re a fking card-carrying KKK member because of the racist filth you posted on this site a couple of years ago. You know it and I know it you POS! Quit lying.
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YOU are the only one who ‘knows’ I am racist. I am still waiting for you to show me ANY racist content I ever posted.
Go ahead, Ill wait.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I must fit right in with the KKK being the Hue Jackson supporter I was…
Yeah I know, next thing Debo says is I supported Hue to cover up my racist intentions… blah blah blah
March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Brandon Jacobs released!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
528.hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Brandon Jacobs released!
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Theres your replacement for Bush
March 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
520. Better be a great pick up if we’re loosing the spaniard..
March 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Free-agent quarterback JaMarcus Russell told ESPN’s Colleen Dominguez that he tested positive for codeine after the Raiders selected him with the No. 1 pick in the 2007 draft.
“I missed all of training camp, so I didn’t get tested when all the other guys got tested,” Russell told Dominguez during an “Outside The Lines” interview, the entirety of which can be seen at 9 a.m. ET Aug. 22. “I had a prescription from a doctor, but it wasn’t the team doctor.”
Russell also said he has used codeine without a prescription, but scoffed at reports that he had a drug problem.
Russell said the allegations of drug use stem from that positive test, and said he has not used codeine in three years.
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Let’s try this again Einstein. Where does JR admit to being a junkie????
March 9th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
528.hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Brandon Jacobs released!
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Theres your replacement for Bush
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A big body for sure.
He has a bit of “twinkle toe” in him as well though.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
530.Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
520. Better be a great pick up if we’re loosing the spaniard..
Right?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Let’s try this again Einstein. Where does JR admit to being a junkie????
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I just explained it to you genius. He admitted to failing a drug test.
If you do drugs and it interferes with your job
you fit my definition of a junkie.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I must fit right in with the KKK being the Hue Jackson supporter I was…
Yeah I know, next thing Debo says is I supported Hue to cover up my racist intentions… blah blah blah
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I should be able to find that sickening post on JR that a lot of the other rednecks couldn’t get enough of. I know I can’t count on you to repost it.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Wow. There is still someone on this site supporting Russell? He’s right up there with Marinovich
March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Wimbley has no issue with “restructuring”. He just won’t take a pay “cut”. Big difference
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Exactly!
Wimbley basically wants to do what Palmer, Seymour & Huff just did and you guys all gave them credit for doing it.
yet Kam is the scum of the earth right now.
Must be all the ESPN reports saying he’s on his way out.
Even though there are probably 10-20 teams interested in him the first 10 minutes after he’s released by Oakland, Raider fans say he sucks. Some of you cats ain’t got a lick of sense
March 9th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
533. If its with houston, I need lowrey & scola.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
the great Russell debate lives on …
is that guy even alive, still?
Haven’t heard anything about him since May of 2010 – except the Sizzurp incident
March 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
He has a bit of “twinkle toe” in him as well though.
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Jacobs is a beast in short yardage, when given the chance.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Let’s try this again Einstein. Where does JR admit to being a junkie????
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I just explained it to you genius. He admitted to failing a drug test.
If you do drugs and it interferes with your job
you fit my definition of a junkie.
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Translation: I completely made it up to try and support my bogus take. The fact that he had a positive test “interfered” with his job how? Don’t remember him ever being suspended. Admit it dude, you spoke out of school. What’s new?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
yet Kam is the scum of the earth right now.
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I disagree with that assessment. I want him released, not for anything about him, but because his contract sucks and it hurts the team. If we could restructure him WITHOUT guaranteeing nearly 20 million in salary over the next 2 years I would be all for keeping him.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Question:
if Bcz is classified as “racist” , what is Kell classified as?
Satan?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Translation: I completely made it up to try and support my bogus take. The fact that he had a positive test “interfered” with his job how? Don’t remember him ever being suspended. Admit it dude, you spoke out of school. What’s new?
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I bet if Palmer failed a drug test you would call him a junkie you racist.
See how this works. I can lie and call you a racist too!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
537. Sey & palmer are old and their new deals have voidible yrs. I think wim wants his money now. They are taking way less this yr.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?
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Yeah, I can. The one school or camp Russell did not show up for: The National Football League.
And by the way, that story about Russell and the DVD is true. There wasn’t a movie on it, it was blank. Russell thought it was a very well thought out game plan against the Chiefs.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
SR Raider Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Wow. There is still someone on this site supporting Russell? He’s right up there with Marinovich
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Anyone see the Marinovich Experiment on ESPN? Now that’s the definition of a drug addict! Not even in the same universe as JR!!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Translation: I completely made it up to try and support my bogus take. The fact that he had a positive test “interfered” with his job how? Don’t remember him ever being suspended. Admit it dude, you spoke out of school. What’s new?
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Real translation. I took 2 seconds to google Jamarcus russell admitts addiction and posted the first article without reading it…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Of course he did. Can you name one QB school, mini camp or training camp the guy didn’t show up for?
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Yeah, I can. The one school or camp Russell did not show up for: The National Football League.
And by the way, that story about Russell and the DVD is true. There wasn’t a movie on it, it was blank. Russell thought it was a very well thought out game plan against the Chiefs.
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It’s true huh? Where’s your proof?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
He has a bit of “twinkle toe” in him as well though.
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Jacobs is a beast in short yardage, when given the chance.
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Better than Bush for sure.
He’s at His best with shoulders squared up and using His size and speed.
He sometimes thinks he’s Gayle Sayers.
He could play for Me, just don’t want to see him dancing. lol
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I think wim wants his money now
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Palmer, Seymour & Huff are getting their money now
Again – whats the difference?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Even though there are probably 10-20 teams interested in him the first 10 minutes after he’s released by Oakland, Raider fans say he sucks. Some of you cats ain’t got a lick of sense
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Wimbley doesn’t suck. He just isn’t worth what the Raiders would have to pay him. Which is part of the reason they were asking him to restructure. I don’t know if they were asking him to take a pay cut or not; I’ve just heard and read that he isn’t interested in that. His agent could have made that statemant for all we know. The Raiders have said nothing about cutting his pay, and it should be noted that neither Wimbley nor his agent have said that they have.
Don’t blame Wimbley, and don’t blame the Raiders. It’s time for him to go.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Translation: I completely made it up to try and support my bogus take. The fact that he had a positive test “interfered” with his job how? Don’t remember him ever being suspended. Admit it dude, you spoke out of school. What’s new?
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Real translation. I took 2 seconds to google Jamarcus russell admitts addiction and posted the first article without reading it…
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Let’s try this one more time. When did JR admit “addiction”? Think before you speak this time.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
545.Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
537. Sey & palmer are old and their new deals have voidible yrs. I think wim wants his money now. They are taking way less this yr.
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No they aren’t. Palmer Huff and Seymour are all getting EXACTLY the same amount of money this year. The cap hit is lower because bonus payouts are prorated, while salary counts fully towards the cap immediately.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
March 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
yet Kam is the scum of the earth right now.
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I disagree with that assessment. I want him released, not for anything about him, but because his contract sucks and it hurts the team. If we could restructure him WITHOUT guaranteeing nearly 20 million in salary over the next 2 years I would be all for keeping him.
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It’s about the guaranteed money for me as well.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I think wim wants his money now
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Palmer, Seymour & Huff are getting their money now
Again – whats the difference?
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Been asking this question all morning.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
The Raiders are as much to blame as anyone for JaMarcus’s failure here.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Ok ok Jamarcus isn’t a junkie…. he just ‘abused prescription drugs’. You got me Debo… Now please tell me how he isn’t a thief
March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
ESPN.com news services
MOBILE, Ala. — Former Oakland Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell has been charged with possession of a controlled substance — codeine syrup — after being arrested at his home in Alabama on Monday, authorities said.
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Russell didn’t need to admit it. Possessing narcotic syrup admitted it for him.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Anyone see the Marinovich Experiment on ESPN? Now that’s the definition of a drug addict! Not even in the same universe as JR!!
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I was referring more to their utter failures as QB’s, which was related to drugs. Gotta admit that Marinovich is on a whole other level now that he’s out of football. Hopefully JR doesn’t find himself there in a few years
March 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
JLofty Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am
McKenzie must be having a good time trying to fix all the “oxycontin” contracts Mr Davis cooked up the past few years…
Wimbley, that was farcical.
Plunk, how’d the no-eating-doctor appt go? Sounds grim
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all’s well thx for asking
March 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Bcz, you seem to take solace in being called a racist.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
545.Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
537. Sey & palmer are old and their new deals have voidible yrs. I think wim wants his money now. They are taking way less this yr.
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No they aren’t. Palmer Huff and Seymour are all getting EXACTLY the same amount of money this year. The cap hit is lower because bonus payouts are prorated, while salary counts fully towards the cap immediately.
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Where you guys are getting messed up is contracts have to be EXTENDED, to do that.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Hey what do you guys expect from a bowl cut of ginger hair?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Let’s try this one more time. When did JR admit “addiction”? Think before you speak this time.
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How many cigarette smokers have ever told you they can quit whenever they want? They can’t. And cigarettes are legal.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
537. Sey & palmer are old and their new deals have voidible yrs. I think wim wants his money now. They are taking way less this yr.
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They’re not taking less this year. In fact, instead of Palmer’s 9 Million “salary” they reduced it to 756K salary and gave him an 8.25 Million “bonus” and two “voidable years”. Thus, the 8.25 “bonus” gets divided amongst the 4 years of his remaining contract for cap purposes. But he still gets the SAME AMMOUNT AS BEFORE. In fact, now he gets most of it today instead of having to wait all year for it.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Ok, Debo, I heard he walked away from his house, also. if you can provide a link saying that he sold it, I’ll leave that part alone!
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Another JR myth debunked. You can leave it alone now.
http://www.sportsreport360.com/blog/2011/11/jamarcus-russell-sells-mansion-avoids-foreclosure/
March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Let’s try this one more time. When did JR admit “addiction”? Think before you speak this time.
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How many cigarette smokers have ever told you they can quit whenever they want? They can’t. And cigarettes are legal.
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Oh, come on. I don’t give a crap if he was “adicted”. The point is he was taking these drugs which effected his mood, production, awakeness etc. Made him numb, slower to response etc.
If he was adicted or not makes no difference. It’s even worse if he wasn’t adicted and just did it for “fun” knowing it was killing his team and he was sucking big time.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
545.Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
537. Sey & palmer are old and their new deals have voidible yrs. I think wim wants his money now. They are taking way less this yr.
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No they aren’t. Palmer Huff and Seymour are all getting EXACTLY the same amount of money this year. The cap hit is lower because bonus payouts are prorated, while salary counts fully towards the cap immediately.
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Where you guys are getting messed up is contracts have to be EXTENDED, to do that.
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Not true. Extending it just helps divide up the “bonus” amount per year so it hits less this year.
They could’ve kept it only 2 years remaining on his contract and given him that 8 million “bonus” and that would’ve been divided up between the two years so we would’ve “saved 4 million on this year’s cap”
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Ok, Debo, I heard he walked away from his house, also. if you can provide a link saying that he sold it, I’ll leave that part alone!
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Another JR myth debunked. You can leave it alone now.
http://www.sportsreport360.com/blog/2011/11/jamarcus-russell-sells-mansion-avoids-foreclosure/
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Now that that is cleared up….
What’s next for JaMarcus?
NFL?
Other?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I barely remember the Marinovich era. That period between Bo’s injury and the ‘93 team, I stopped following football altogether. But I can say for certain that the Raiders are just as much to blame for Russell’s QB play here as anyone, including Russell. The system Russell was thrown into was a joke. The organization he was drafted into was a joke.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
How many cigarette smokers have ever told you they can quit whenever they want? They can’t. And cigarettes are legal.
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Me! I’ve “quit” many times LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RR, most of us aren’t saying Kamerion sucks, just that he is not worth $23 mill or whatever they would be on the hook for that contract Mr Davis wrote up in a codeine binge.
That’s all.
Wtf is this Jamayonnaise tripe about? Debo, what’re you his cousin or something? Trying to get back in the jamayo posse? That plane went nose-first into the earth about 3 years ago and burned to ash. Nothing left to see, move along….
March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I barely remember the Marinovich era. That period between Bo’s injury and the ‘93 team, I stopped following football altogether. But I can say for certain that the Raiders are just as much to blame for Russell’s QB play here as anyone, including Russell. The system Russell was thrown into was a joke. The organization he was drafted into was a joke.
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Yeah, imagine the poor guy having to work under Knapp.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I love jawalrus myths.. I one saw jr while feeding sealions at the coast. I tried to spread the ancovies evenly but that fat fk kept stealing them away from the seals.. Never saw him move so fast..
March 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Glad to hear it Plunk!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Knapp wasn’t the problem. Upper management was.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
JaMarcus Russell was in the news last month of his intention about making a comeback to the NFL. Many speculated, that Russell was going through financial problems like other athletes, cough…cough…T0. However,those intentions maybe on hold. Russell was able to complete the sale of his mansion … and just in time to avoid losing it at auction! Not exactly a WIN!
JaMarcus sold the Bay area home at the end of September, and the guy who bought it says he paid just over a million bucks. Back in 2007, when JaMarcus was a hot shot rookie — with a $60 million contract — he paid $2.4 million for the pad. Who says you can’t lose money on real estate.
The million bucks should keep Russell’s comeback at bay. That is, until his baby’s mamas come after him.
The Raiders should feel a lot better…they’re not the only ones who lost.
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This is Debo’s article…Lol
March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Ok fine, thank you for posting that article. I will do my part and leave that one alone!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
ESPN.com news services
MOBILE, Ala. — Former Oakland Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell has been charged with possession of a controlled substance — codeine syrup — after being arrested at his home in Alabama on Monday, authorities said.
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Russell didn’t need to admit it. Possessing narcotic syrup admitted it for him.
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So he’s guilty because he was charged. Whatever.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010-10-29/drug-charges-dropped-against-former-oakland-raiders-qb-jamarcus-russell
March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
How many cigarette smokers have ever told you they can quit whenever they want? They can’t. And cigarettes are legal.
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Me! I’ve “quit” many times LOL
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No kidding.
Nicotine is no joke.
I know people that have “flashes” or cravings years after having quit.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I think everyone wanted JR to succeed, and be the franchise QB for the next 10 years. Of course AD in a state of dementia drafted JR when many scouts criticized him (JR) based on his collegiate record, and seeming lack of drive and ambition. Lance, tellingly, wanted nothing to do with JR.
I don’t blame JR’s failure in his first 2 years performance completely on JR since it would have been difficult for him or any other QB to be successful in such a distracted and dysfunctional environment, especially considered the players at the time. If one looks at P. Manning’s first two years with Indy, he had little success on field. However, JR throwing darts into the ground 5 yds to the side, in back of, and in front of his receivers is never a good sign.
Also, personally, I was aghast when I saw JR’s first interview with Greg Papa, Papa falling over himself in non-deserved praise while JR went on and on praising himself, all the while with a glaze over his eyes, speaking ghetto eubonics. JR had the attitude that he would lead the Raiders to the Superbowl without doing the work. To me JR seemed highly uninspired, delusional, and low on the intelligence scale.
Well, there is nothing we can do, AD made his choice, and now JR is gone, his career in the NFL finished.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Not true. Extending it just helps divide up the “bonus” amount per year so it hits less this year.
They could’ve kept it only 2 years remaining on his contract and given him that 8 million “bonus” and that would’ve been divided up between the two years so we would’ve “saved 4 million on this year’s cap”
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Do the math again. If you have two years left on a contract, at say $12mm and $13mm, and you decide to “resturcture” so you get a $20mm “bonus” and a $2mm salary, it would be the exact same cap hit. Come on, you think someone hasn’t figured that out yet? You have to extend the contract to lessen the hit.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
However, he still lost out on it…lol, and the point I wonder is how? I guess I can’t speak on that because I was never a millionnaire…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
For Lowry and Scola?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Knapp wasn’t the problem. Upper management was.
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Nah, I can blame Al for drafting him. For choosing a QB based on “the strongest arm in recent memory” rather than intelligence, leadership or hard work. That was upper management’s stupid decision. But, for him totally bombing, sucking and taking drugs I don’t blame upper management. He actually had coaches that were good teachers of the game working around the QB position when he was here.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I blame upper management for knowing the face of their franchise had a drug problem, and doing next to nothing about it, for over a year.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
fty Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RR, most of us aren’t saying Kamerion sucks, just that he is not worth $23 mill or whatever they would be on the hook for that contract Mr Davis wrote up in a codeine binge.
That’s all.
Wtf is this Jamayonnaise tripe about? Debo, what’re you his cousin or something? Trying to get back in the jamayo posse? That plane went nose-first into the earth about 3 years ago and burned to ash. Nothing left to see, move along….
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Hey, I was discussing Wimbley’s contract situation. Bzfckface is the one that brought up Russell. But I’m of the opinion that his failure here had a hell of a lot more to do with our piss-poor organization than it did with Russell. That’s not going to change.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Not true. Extending it just helps divide up the “bonus” amount per year so it hits less this year.
They could’ve kept it only 2 years remaining on his contract and given him that 8 million “bonus” and that would’ve been divided up between the two years so we would’ve “saved 4 million on this year’s cap”
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Do the math again. If you have two years left on a contract, at say $12mm and $13mm, and you decide to “resturcture” so you get a $20mm “bonus” and a $2mm salary, it would be the exact same cap hit. Come on, you think someone hasn’t figured that out yet? You have to extend the contract to lessen the hit.
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No…you SHOULD extend the contract to lessen the hit even more. And many do, so that it’s less per year.
But, even if he didn’t extend it would still be cap relief, and would just be throwing half of the “bonus” over to next year’s cap figure.
i.e. if he had 12 million this year and 13 million next year as his salary. He takes 10 Million in bonus (your example) then his cap figure this year will be 7 million (half of the bonus goes to next year). BUT, next year instead of only 13 million it would be 18 million cap hit.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RT: @MikeGarafolo: Giants will release Brandon Jacobs today after 7 seasons: Sides couldn’t reach a financial agreement bit.ly/z9jfPE
Holy Sh!t, can you say “Bush Replacement” 3 times fast??? This dude is in our wheelhouse Reggie, make it happen bro!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Pat Robertson came out for pot legalization. Who saw that coming?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Me! I’ve “quit” many times LOL
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No kidding.
Nicotine is no joke.
I know people that have “flashes” or cravings years after having quit.
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I quit cold turkey 3 years, 2 months and 1 day ago.
Every now and again (especially when drinking heavily) I could go for one, but having been quit for a long time, you start to smell how gross they are and remember how gross they taste.
Don’t miss em.
The tress on the other hand………
Can’t give em up. Or won’t.
LOL at the guy still defending JaMarshmallow Truffle.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
fty Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RR, most of us aren’t saying Kamerion sucks, just that he is not worth $23 mill or whatever they would be on the hook for that contract Mr Davis wrote up in a codeine binge.
That’s all.
Wtf is this Jamayonnaise tripe about? Debo, what’re you his cousin or something? Trying to get back in the jamayo posse? That plane went nose-first into the earth about 3 years ago and burned to ash. Nothing left to see, move along….
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Hey, I was discussing Wimbley’s contract situation. Bzfckface is the one that brought up Russell. But I’m of the opinion that his failure here had a hell of a lot more to do with our piss-poor organization than it did with Russell. That’s not going to change.
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What does that have to do with anything discussed above?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
585. Lowry for sure, kid can ball. And we’ll need a pf to replace pau. And then maybe one more plr or pick, idk how the saleries match.. But I dont like it much. Id rather keep our big 3 and make other trades.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
the bidding war for Russell’s services is being overshadowed by Peyton Manning visits right now
I think Manning lands in Miami, Campbell lands in Seattle, Russell lands in Cleveland & RGIII lands in Washington
AZ sticks with Kolb
DEN sticks with Tebow
KC sticks with Cassel
NYJ sticks with Sanchez
March 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
So he’s guilty because he was charged. Whatever.
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You’re right. EVERYONE has someone ELSES narcotics in their own personal bedroom. You do, right?
The point is given all this “evidence” is this a guy who you want to give tens of millions of dollars to run your franchise?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Here is your proof.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5460278
Russell admits he used codeine and failed his drug test.
What more do you want….me to read it out loud to you?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
JaMarcus was lazy, irresponsible and most of his teammates thought he was a slouch. Spin it however you want, the guy sucked.
For evidence of this, notice how he hasn’t even sniffed an NFL lineup since and never will.
99.99% of all people understand this.
It’s not even a debate. It’s one guy that wants some attention or something.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Wimbly is not worth 11 million a season and to prove this you will see next week what kind of contract he gets once he is let go.
If he played like he was worth 11 million there would be no question about keeping him on!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
If Russell had gone to rehab in ‘07 on his own, became totally healthy and focused by ‘08, guarantee you the Raiders would have taken credit for his rehabilitation. Circumstances as they are, the Raiders proclaim there’s nothing they could have done about Russell’s downfall.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
fty Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RR, most of us aren’t saying Kamerion sucks, just that he is not worth $23 mill or whatever they would be on the hook for that contract Mr Davis wrote up in a codeine binge.
That’s all.
Wtf is this Jamayonnaise tripe about? Debo, what’re you his cousin or something? Trying to get back in the jamayo posse? That plane went nose-first into the earth about 3 years ago and burned to ash. Nothing left to see, move along….
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Hey, I was discussing Wimbley’s contract situation. Bzfckface is the one that brought up Russell. But I’m of the opinion that his failure here had a hell of a lot more to do with our piss-poor organization than it did with Russell. That’s not going to change.
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What does that have to do with anything discussed above?
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Dude, read the whole post. He told me to move along and I told him I wan’t the one who brought the subject up. You can’t figure that out?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Titans web site not a biased Raiders web site:
http://www.titansreport.com/topic/2340-the-story-behind-jamarcus-russell-being-cut/
March 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Pat Robertson came out for pot legalization. Who saw that coming?
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no kidding! lol
March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
If Russell had gone to rehab in ‘07 on his own, became totally healthy and focused by ‘08, guarantee you the Raiders would have taken credit for his rehabilitation. Circumstances as they are, the Raiders proclaim there’s nothing they could have done about Russell’s downfall.
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Raiders have nothing to do with Russell’s recreational drug use. They got him a life coach and sent him to fat camp. Seriously, MR, you can’t spin this.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I’m cool with Jacobs as our new backup.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
“If Russell had gone to rehab in ‘07 on his own, became totally healthy and focused by ‘08, guarantee you the Raiders would have taken credit for his rehabilitation. Circumstances as they are, the Raiders proclaim there’s nothing they could have done about Russell’s downfall.”
You cant help people who do not want to be helped if you have even known anyone close to you that was an addict you could understand this concept.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
No…you SHOULD extend the contract to lessen the hit even more. And many do, so that it’s less per year.
But, even if he didn’t extend it would still be cap relief, and would just be throwing half of the “bonus” over to next year’s cap figure.
i.e. if he had 12 million this year and 13 million next year as his salary. He takes 10 Million in bonus (your example) then his cap figure this year will be 7 million (half of the bonus goes to next year). BUT, next year instead of only 13 million it would be 18 million cap hit.
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do it again. Say a player is being paid two years at 12.5 per. So, you “restructure” the deal, at a $20mm bonus, $2mm the lst year, and $3mm the second year. There is hardly any cap savings. You have to extend that deal over say four years, to really lessen the hit. And then if the contract gets voided for whatever reason, the “bonus” money gets accelerated, hence the dead money on many teams balance sheets.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Climate Change is a more controversial “debate” than if Russell was a schmuck or not.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
LA to the Bay, there is nobody that was in Raiders’ upper management in 2007 that is wanted by other NFL teams, either.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I’m cool with Jacobs as our new backup
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Me too. Sign him up!
March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Jamayonnaise and the old dysfunctional org known as Da Rayduhs, are both ancient history, the taint of which is being rapidly scrubbed from the facilities at 1220 HarbourBay Parkway. Nothing much to be learned or gained from that reflection…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I was hunting gear once northern california when all of a sudden, jabigfoot crashed through the underbrush and took down my buck.. He walked upright and when our eyes met he looked almost human…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Dear not gear.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
You cant help people who do not want to be helped if you have even known anyone close to you that was an addict you could understand this concept.
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Exactly.
I have and I do.
I’ve lost good friends to addiction and the subsequent results.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Jamayonnaise
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just when I thought I heard them all!
Always was partial to Jamarcus the hut though
March 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Yes but Seymour, you don’t WANT to extend guy who are 27 and may or may not still be playing when they are 32.
You can extend guys like Palmer or Big Dick cuz they’z gunna retire after this contract. Or at least not be your problem any more….
March 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seems as the dust cleared from the Russell debacle, the NFL’s own court of opinion have found both Russell and the Raiders guilty, because let’s be honest, what teams were trying to land any of our 2007 front office execs? Who was out there begging Al Davis to sell the Raiders and join their team as GM, to pick his genius brain? NOBODY. Nobody wanted Russell after he left here, nobody wanted any of the Raiders’ upper management when Russell was here, either. They’re both condemned by NFL minds.
March 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
the Raiders ruined JaMarcus… we get it
any predictions on how he would have faired with the Lions or Browns?
March 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
parently when I talk to this phone it thinks I mean dear, instead of deer…
March 9th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
616. And after 94 posts someone else gets it..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@619, it must be the hair!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Between Al Davis and John Herrera, the Raiders’ front office was basically the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
anybody gonna dress their kids as Mark Davis for Halloween?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
A lot of moves Al Davis made in the past decade, he might have been on that sizzurp.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seems as the dust cleared from the Russell debacle, the NFL’s own court of opinion have found both Russell and the Raiders guilty, because let’s be honest, what teams were trying to land any of our 2007 front office execs? Who was out there begging Al Davis to sell the Raiders and join their team as GM, to pick his genius brain? NOBODY. Nobody wanted Russell after he left here, nobody wanted any of the Raiders’ upper management when Russell was here, either. They’re both condemned by NFL minds.
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Going with this argument a day or so ago, I made the statement that Carson Palmer started his career better than Peyton Manning. The difference in those two players careers is Manning had a five time NFL executive of the year who had built previous Super Bowl teams building his, and Palmer had a certifiable asswipe shmuck who didn’t give a fooking rat’s ASS about anything but his own wallet building his. Do any of you think that matters?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
the Raiders ruined JaMarcus… we get it
any predictions on how he would have fared with the Lions or Browns?
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The same. He’s a lazy slug who doesn’t want to work, and never did. What a waste of physical talent.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
621.lol. Man, I smoke a j and try using a phone for this, and it all goes to hell.haha
March 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
haha…one of the sports talk guys at 95.7fm the game looks like mark davis…face wise.
I think it’s Lund or Whitey! LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Yo, dizzle wizzle
Dem shorties getting hizzle
The Beeech Dawg be puffin’ a blunt
Yo, the tour bus just pulled up to the Ritz and we’re packing up for the San Diego Rasta Ganja Tour!
So excited, I barely made it out of Olive Garden without dropping an epic duece bomb near the wine rack. That calamari is straight up nuclear.
Got the band loaded, the Certified Platinum Posse are combing their pubes and the Beeech Dawgettes are rolling joints and lezzing out (just a little)
These shows are going to be epic, I’ll be blogging from the road of course with up to the minute Rasta Ganja highlights.
Hopefully my fanny pack doesn’t split in half before we get to the hotel from all the Magnums I got stuffed inside. Just keeping it real.
WHEN DEM BOOTY CALLS THE BEEECH DAWGS IN FULL EFFECT
March 9th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
LaConfors reports Giants will release Brandon Jacobs.
Maybe the Raiders can look at him as a Bush replacement, and they would sign him to far less expensive contract.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RT @mchappell51: Source says Colts have terminated contracts of Brackett, Clark, Addai, Bullitt. “It’s a whole new team,” source said.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
If the Bronco’s pick up Peyton, should we make a play to bring in Tebow?
I’d give them Bruce Campbell and a 4th rounder for him.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Got the band loaded, the Certified Platinum Posse are combing their pubes
…….
Here’s one of Al Davis’s lackeys right here ^^. Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
LA to the Bay, there is nobody that was in Raiders’ upper management in 2007 that is wanted by other NFL teams, either.
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OK, irrelevant.
If Russell was drafted by a more tighty-run organization that he would have succeded is the implication, correct?
There has to be self-motivation to conquer inner demons, otherwise you wil succumb to them.
The Raiders hired a guy to do a job based on (albeit limited) accomplishments in his prior ‘job.’
They did more than most companies for their employee by sending him to fat camp and getting him a life coach.
Didn’t work.
Can’t blame the Raiders too much, being that other players from that time frame have had some success (on this team or others) and Russell has had NONE.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
623. Im gonna come my hair to the side and dress mark as fat richie cunninham..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@napoleonkaufman
Brandon Jacobs out at NY. Don’t want to lose #29 but if we do big boy would look good in silver and black. What ya think? #raidernation
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It’s good to see Nap Kaufman back on the Raiders recently.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Poor jawalrus, he’s the jeremy lin of the nfl.. Just give him a shot guys!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Mark Davis does look funny. The Bucky Larson hair. He’s making a statement. Having decent haircuts is for those people in the every day world. He’ll keep his rice bowl mullet and jet to Hawaii this weekend. All the best.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Trade for Dwight Freeney.
I’d give them Jacoby Ford straight up.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
LaConfora reports Giants will release Brandon Jacobs.
Maybe the Raiders can look at him as a Bush replacement, and they would sign him to far less expensive contract?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The Raiders knew of Russell having a drug problem for over a year, and their solution was to hire him a “life coach” and send him to fat camp? Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
If the Bronco’s pick up Peyton, should we make a play to bring in Tebow?
I’d give them Bruce Campbell and a 4th rounder for him.
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Man I don’t know, Bruce throws a much better ball. lol
March 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
LA to the Bay, there is nobody that was in Raiders’ upper management in 2007 that is wanted by other NFL teams, either.
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OK, irrelevant.
If Russell was drafted by a more tighty-run organization that he would have succeded is the implication, correct?
There has to be self-motivation to conquer inner demons, otherwise you wil succumb to them.
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This is exactly right. Russell really did NOTHING to help himself or the team. To be a Q in the NFL you have to be incredibly hard working to be successful. Russell wasn’t.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The Raiders knew of Russell having a drug problem for over a year, and their solution was to hire him a “life coach” and send him to fat camp? Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
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What should they have done? Called the pigs?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Agree with you guys on Russell’s work ethic. But regarding Russell’s overall grasp on reality? It was a direct match to that of the front office which drafted him.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
If the Bronco’s pick up Peyton, should we make a play to bring in Tebow?
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Bring in Peyton? Why would they do that?
Maybe Elway is stupid?
Peyton’s had four neck operations in a year and he’s 36.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Seymour, I think keeping the “pigs” as far away from Raiders’ headquarters was part of the idea behind keeping Russell’s problems under wraps. Think Hanson…
March 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Blog Brahs, you’re not going to believe this!
We got the PARTYDUDE 8000 loaded into the tour bus, but now the hibachi, 20 lbs of filet mignon and case of Moet Chandon won’t fit!
Gonna have to make the Beeech Dawgettes take those essentials separately in the Prius.
Probably have fresh margaritas flowing in the next 5 mins, pop some Charles in Charge on the plasma and get this party poppin’
Yo, gonna need a quick stop at Winchell’s for some bear claws. Need to get my grizzle on, wurd
March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Colts have terminated contracts of Brackett, Clark, Addai, Bullitt
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Raiders have terminated contracts of Chris Johnson, Hiram Eugene, John Henderson, Manase Tonga
March 9th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Nfl font offices are not built to deal with the bs jafatso brought into the building. #1 draft picks should have their sht together..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The Raiders knew of Russell having a drug problem for over a year, and their solution was to hire him a “life coach” and send him to fat camp? Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
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They invested a ton of money and a #1 overall pick in the guy.
If you were caught sippin codeine syrup at McDonalds, you think they would get you a life coach or kick you to the curb?
They did what they could within reason. He was an adult that couldn’t get his sh;t together.
Al did the smart thing by giving him a shot in camp 2010 and when he started throwing grounders to 2nd again, he cut him.
He made a mistake in drafting him but didn’t compound it by keeping him any longer and made a legitimate effort to help while he was on the roster.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Colts really are rebuilding. End of one era (Manning), start of new (Luck).
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
You guys complain about bush tippie towing and not running with power yet you ask for a bigger pusszzy Jacobs to get signed. who is older, slower and a diva.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Raiders have terminated contracts of Chris Johnson, Hiram Eugene, John Henderson, Manase Tonga
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Link?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
649.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Colts have terminated contracts of Brackett, Clark, Addai, Bullitt
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Raiders have terminated contracts of Chris Johnson, Hiram Eugene, John Henderson, Manase Tonga
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We need a guy like Henderson….just not Henderson.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seems as the dust cleared from the Russell debacle, the NFL’s own court of opinion have found both Russell and the Raiders guilty, because let’s be honest, what teams were trying to land any of our 2007 front office execs? Who was out there begging Al Davis to sell the Raiders and join their team as GM, to pick his genius brain? NOBODY. Nobody wanted Russell after he left here, nobody wanted any of the Raiders’ upper management when Russell was here, either. They’re both condemned by NFL minds.
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Going with this argument a day or so ago, I made the statement that Carson Palmer started his career better than Peyton Manning. The difference in those two players careers is Manning had a five time NFL executive of the year who had built previous Super Bowl teams building his, and Palmer had a certifiable asswipe shmuck who didn’t give a fooking rat’s ASS about anything but his own wallet building his. Do any of you think that matters?
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In the two years since JR was cut, four QBs have started games, two HCs have been fired and there have been ZERO playoff appearances. The year after CP QUITS the team, the Bengals have the same HC, win FIVE more games than the season before, and made the playoffs.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I wonder if we could get Addai as DMAC’s backup.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Mark’s Hair,
Which is exactly why the average NFL front office either never would have drafted Russell, would have forced him into rehab, or would have parted ways with him. They wouldn’t have just drug it out for over a year, hoping it would just fix itself. Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
544-the difference is you wouldn’t be lying.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
More cuts… Snip snip overpaids!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Agree with you guys on Russell’s work ethic. But regarding Russell’s overall grasp on reality? It was a direct match to that of the front office which drafted him.
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They’re actually exact opposites. Al Davis was a person who was a hall of famer, at one point astute as hell, but well past his prime. He once had it, and then he pretty much lost it. But he sure as hell put hard work into the organization.
Russel was someone who never made it, and never put in the energy to do so. Only had “potential” but never made anything of it. He went from being king of the world to nothing really fast. Al Davis went from nothing to top of the game pretty fast. Al fought for what he got. Russell “sat out” to get his HUGE contract and never put in the work to earn it.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
LA, McDonals’ would kick me to the curb if they saw me getting high, which is what the Raiders should have done the minute they knew Russell had a drug problem, or at least force him into rehab. Per your own logic, the average McDonald’s franchise handle’s employees like Russell better than the Raiders did.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Blog Brahs, you’re not going to believe this!
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We don’t.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Mark’s Hair,
Which is exactly why the average NFL front office either never would have drafted Russell, would have forced him into rehab, or would have parted ways with him. They wouldn’t have just drug it out for over a year, hoping it would just fix itself. Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
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Okay. So any smart front office wouldn’t have had the infatulation with Size/speed in skill positions and arm strength in QBs as the only requirement to fall in love with them. True.
What does that have to do with Russell being a total lazy, drugged up nimwit?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
But regarding Russell’s overall grasp on reality? It was a direct match to that of the front office which drafted him.
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Can you think of the uproar if Al DIDN’T draft Russell?
Hindsight is 20/20 but think about it… at that time, I would estimate 75% of the raider Nation wanted Russell as the pick and we needed a QB in the worst way and we picked who we thought (and most experts) was the best QB available.
The other QBs from that draft class haven’t done much of anything. I still think Russell was the most talented, just wasted all of his talent.
Al had many flaws ans a big one was his lack of faith in chemistry or ‘character.’ Russell was a terrific athlete but this isn’t the 70s anymore.
These young dudes get paid way too much way too early without earning any of it.
And it’s our fault. Because we watch.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
658 that front office has been to 5 superbowls… I dont care if they mishandle loosers.. Couldnt be helped.. Not the first team to fall in love with the wrong pick.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Colts have terminated contracts of Brackett, Clark, Addai, Bullitt
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Raiders have terminated contracts of Chris Johnson, Hiram Eugene, John Henderson, Manase Tonga
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Really? Fact or speculation?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The Raiders knew of Russell having a drug problem for over a year, and their solution was to hire him a “life coach” and send him to fat camp? Like I said, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
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They invested a ton of money and a #1 overall pick in the guy.
If you were caught sippin codeine syrup at McDonalds, you think they would get you a life coach or kick you to the curb?
They did what they could within reason. He was an adult that couldn’t get his sh;t together.
Al did the smart thing by giving him a shot in camp 2010 and when he started throwing grounders to 2nd again, he cut him.
He made a mistake in drafting him but didn’t compound it by keeping him any longer and made a legitimate effort to help while he was on the roster.
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When did he “start throwing grounders to 2nd”????
http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/jamarcus_russell_shows_up_at_r.html
March 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
But regarding Russell’s overall grasp on reality? It was a direct match to that of the front office which drafted him.
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Can you think of the uproar if Al DIDN’T draft Russell?
Hindsight is 20/20 but think about it… at that time, I would estimate 75% of the raider Nation wanted Russell as the pick and we needed a QB in the worst way and we picked who we thought (and most experts) was the best QB available.
The other QBs from that draft class haven’t done much of anything. I still think Russell was the most talented, just wasted all of his talent.
Al had many flaws ans a big one was his lack of faith in chemistry or ‘character.’ Russell was a terrific athlete but this isn’t the 70s anymore.
These young dudes get paid way too much way too early without earning any of it.
And it’s our fault. Because we watch.
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I think we would’ve been happy for the most part with Calvin J. drafted instead.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Russell was also one of Al Davis’ pet projects. Immune to accountability. He valued Russell over any of the coaches whom Russell was forced upon.
The roster was a mess – especially on the offensive line and at wide receiver.
Russell didn’t put in the work, and was an absolute mess of a pick. But the state that the organization was in at the time didn’t help the situation one bit.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
In the two years since JR was cut, four QBs have started games, two HCs have been fired and there have been ZERO playoff appearances. The year after CP QUITS the team, the Bengals have the same HC, win FIVE more games than the season before, and made the playoffs.
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Right. And how was Cincy defensively during those last two years? I’ll wait…..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
LA, McDonals’ would kick me to the curb if they saw me getting high, which is what the Raiders should have done the minute they knew Russell had a drug problem, or at least force him into rehab. Per your own logic, the average McDonald’s franchise handle’s employees like Russell better than the Raiders did.
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My point was that McDonalds employees don’t make millions of dollars and the Raiders were more flexible with him than your average business.
What were they supposed to have done?
Cut him after a year?
LOL.
They did what they could and what they SHOULD have done.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Local Police report “boarding” the PARTYDUDE 8000.
Confiscated a poster of Al Davis, 3 Taco Bell burritos, a 6 pack of Miller Light and 2 oars.
Police ordered the destruction of the home made raft, and fined the mother a $20.00 nuisance fee.
Youth was ordered confinement to his Mom’s basement for a period to be determined.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Agree with you guys on Russell’s work ethic. But regarding Russell’s overall grasp on reality? It was a direct match to that of the front office which drafted him.
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They’re actually exact opposites. Al Davis was a person who was a hall of famer, at one point astute as hell, but well past his prime. He once had it, and then he pretty much lost it. But he sure as hell put hard work into the organization.
Russel was someone who never made it, and never put in the energy to do so. Only had “potential” but never made anything of it. He went from being king of the world to nothing really fast. Al Davis went from nothing to top of the game pretty fast. Al fought for what he got. Russell “sat out” to get his HUGE contract and never put in the work to earn it.
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Why the fk should he have had to sit out to get his money? He’s a QB and he was the #1 overall pick in the draft! He gets his money, period! That deal should have been done BEFORE the draft. The Raiders fked this up big time!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
“DEATHROW 55 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
You guys complain about bush tippie towing and not running with power yet you ask for a bigger pusszzy Jacobs to get signed. who is older, slower and a diva.”
I know its laughable that people in here are wanting him on our team.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
DEATHROW 55 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
You guys complain about bush tippie towing and not running with power yet you ask for a bigger pusszzy Jacobs to get signed. who is older, slower and a diva.
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A diva for sure.
Probably faster, and when he squares up, runs pretty well.
Problem with him, like Bush, they have an inflated sense of the worth.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
They did what they could. Hired him a life coach. Sent him to fat camp. Yeah, that’s how you deal with an employee who has a drug problem. Again, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
I dont really want Brandon Jacobs.
To soft of a runner for the most part. Doesnt break off many of his ‘viscious’ runs anymore.
Dont see him fitting Knapps system of avoiding and outsmarting.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
In the two years since JR was cut, four QBs have started games, two HCs have been fired and there have been ZERO playoff appearances. The year after CP QUITS the team, the Bengals have the same HC, win FIVE more games than the season before, and made the playoffs.
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Right. And how was Cincy defensively during those last two years? I’ll wait…..
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It’s a little easier to play defense when you’re not in sudden-change situations all day long because your QB is throwing backbreaking picks!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Agree with you guys on Russell’s work ethic. But regarding Russell’s overall grasp on reality? It was a direct match to that of the front office which drafted him.
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They’re actually exact opposites. Al Davis was a person who was a hall of famer, at one point astute as hell, but well past his prime. He once had it, and then he pretty much lost it. But he sure as hell put hard work into the organization.
Russel was someone who never made it, and never put in the energy to do so. Only had “potential” but never made anything of it. He went from being king of the world to nothing really fast. Al Davis went from nothing to top of the game pretty fast. Al fought for what he got. Russell “sat out” to get his HUGE contract and never put in the work to earn it.
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Why the fk should he have had to sit out to get his money? He’s a QB and he was the #1 overall pick in the draft! He gets his money, period! That deal should have been done BEFORE the draft. The Raiders fked this up big time!
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Because he was asking for something WAY OUT OF WACK compared to the normal sliding scale of the picks. AND probably WAY TOO MUCH guaranteed.
But, true, it should’ve been done ahead of time like many teams do nowadays after that fiasco.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Peemore Bust, I thought you’d still be running for the hills trying to avoid our rap battle!
Remember how fast you panicked then raised the white flag? We were having a HUGE laugh over that today at Olive Garden.
Yet another classic Bust Blunder!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Trade for Dwight Freeney.
I’d give them Jacoby Ford straight up
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NO WAY!!!!! I appreciate all of your comments except when you bring up trading #12. You’re killing me.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Id rather have Justin Forsett brought in, Rock Cartwright re-signed.
That along with DMC & Reece is sufficient.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Why are you schmucks actually defending Russell? If he had any desire, work ethic etc. he’d be in the NFL now. He’d at least have gotten a 2nd chance somewhere. Even as a back-up. I mean look at some of these schmucks who are still around as back-ups on other teams.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Maybe the Colts would be interested in Wimbley for Freeney?..
Just tossin that out there..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
If the Bronco’s pick up Peyton, should we make a play to bring in Tebow?
I’d give them Bruce Campbell and a 4th rounder for him.
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we don’t have a 4th in 2012 (thanks Soup!)
I don’t want to trade any future picks. Give Reggie his full arsenal next year – besides what Hue gave up for Carson Palmer
trade this year’s 5th, BCamp and Mike Mitchell for Tim Tebow
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Raiders for life Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Trade for Dwight Freeney.
I’d give them Jacoby Ford straight up
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NO WAY!!!!! I appreciate all of your comments except when you bring up trading #12. You’re killing me.
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You’re nutz! He’s an aging, overpaid player. He will be good, but we don’t need that. Plus, DE is one of our stronger positions now.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
“Why are you schmucks actually defending Russell? If he had any desire, work ethic etc. he’d be in the NFL now. He’d at least have gotten a 2nd chance somewhere. Even as a back-up. ”
DING DING DING correct answer now we can end this stupid debate!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
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Interesting Jerry.
It’s not hard to see why although I love Bush and want him to stay.
Bush pounds the hell out of the defensive line and can catch the ball.
On the other hand he can’t cover or won’t and gets real weary after playing for awhile.
I still remember that Tampa Bay game where Bush came over to Cable and asked for a breather. I’ve never seen any back do that before.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Sullivan.. Jr of front offices?? 5 trips to the superbowl guy.. The office wasnt the problem..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Maybe the Colts would be interested in Wimbley for Freeney?..
Just tossin that out there..
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That is more realistic. Wimbley could fit in there with their new system. Freeney doesn’t want to play in their new scheme, but would fit well in the 4-3 we run here. Freeney probably would restructure to fit better in the cap.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Is DE one of our stronger positions?
Shaughnessy coming off injury.. Houston should be moved inside.. Moss & Scott FA’s..
Hmm..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Get Tolbert
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
We need LB’s and CB’s we have enough DE’s
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
684.raiderzmaverick Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Why are you schmucks actually defending Russell? If he had any desire, work ethic etc. he’d be in the NFL now. He’d at least have gotten a 2nd chance somewhere. Even as a back-up. I mean look at some of these schmucks who are still around as back-ups on other teams.
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Absolutely.
What a fuk’n loser.
A total waste of three years for the Raiders.
All through those three years a lot of you people came on here and insisted that Russell was going to be a great QB.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Why the fk should he have had to sit out to get his money? He’s a QB and he was the #1 overall pick in the draft! He gets his money, period! That deal should have been done BEFORE the draft. The Raiders fked this up big time!
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No they didn’t. Russell was not playing his lst year any way. Davis for the most part wanted his rookie players to sit and learn how to become pro’s their lst years. It happened with McFadden, Bush, and they were in no hurry to sign Russell. And they saved money by hardballing Russell that obviously would have just been pissed away.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Mark’s hair,
JaMarcus era front office not the same as front office when we last went to Super Bowl. No Bruce.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Local Police report “boarding” the PARTYDUDE 8000.
Confiscated a poster of Al Davis, 3 Taco Bell burritos, a 6 pack of Miller Light and 2 oars.
Police ordered the destruction of the home made raft, and fined the mother a $20.00 nuisance fee.
Youth was ordered confinement to his Mom’s basement for a period to be determined.
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Len, don’t be jealous just because you don’t know how to party reggae style.
It takes a lifetime of following the teachings of Rasta Masta Bob Marley and making love bareback with professional strippers to understand how to be IRIE, mon
If you want to start learning from the Beach Diggity Dawg himself, come to the show Sat night at an upscale, classy seafood restaurant in Mission Beach.
But first you’ll need to wire $115 per ticket not including valet parking before I can publicly disclose the name.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
694.Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
We need LB’s and CB’s we have enough DE’s
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Keep Bush.
He’s not getting the big money he thinks he is.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
ESPN’s take on the Raider’s top needs this off season:
“1. Cornerback: The Raiders currently don’t have any starting-quality cornerbacks on the roster.”
Sad but true. I’d say our weakest link top to bottom now is CB and then LB.
After that maybe Right Tackle.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Maverick, nobody in the Raiders’ 2007 front office is coveted by the league, either. Who snapped up Herrera? lol.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
694.Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
We need LB’s and CB’s we have enough DE’s
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True. But if it was between trading him for Wimbley or cutting Wimbley flat-out it would be worth it.
Then we could move Houston back to DT and cut one of our expensive DTs.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
693.BewareofRaiders Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Get Tolbert
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Whoops…..
Keep Bush.
He’s not getting the big money he thinks he is.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Schefter reporting the raiders released C johnson
March 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Maverick, nobody in the Raiders’ 2007 front office is coveted by the league, either. Who snapped up Herrera? lol.
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What does that have do with what an idiot, lazy bum Jamarcus Russell is?
Herrera had nothing whatsoever to do with Russell being the looser that he is.
No, I wouldn’t hire Herrera for another function either. He was also highly ineffective at what he was supposed to do.
But…why do you defend Jamarcus by talking about Herrera’s retiring?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Local Police report “boarding” the PARTYDUDE 8000.
Confiscated a poster of Al Davis, 3 Taco Bell burritos, a 6 pack of Miller Light and 2 oars.
Police ordered the destruction of the home made raft, and fined the mother a $20.00 nuisance fee.
Youth was ordered confinement to his Mom’s basement for a period to be determined.
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Len, don’t be jealous just because you don’t know how to party reggae style.
It takes a lifetime of following the teachings of Rasta Masta Bob Marley and making love bareback with professional strippers to understand how to be IRIE, mon
If you want to start learning from the Beach Diggity Dawg himself, come to the show Sat night at an upscale, classy seafood restaurant in Mission Beach.
But first you’ll need to wire $115 per ticket not including valet parking before I can publicly disclose the name.
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LOL
Quite the imagination.
I’ll give you props for “living the life” LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Jared Counterman @JaredCounterman
Also, from what I’ve been told, Dwight Freeney is likely to be released also. #Colts
March 9th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Russell was also one of Al Davis’ pet projects. Immune to accountability. He valued Russell over any of the coaches whom Russell was forced upon.
The roster was a mess – especially on the offensive line and at wide receiver.
Russell didn’t put in the work, and was an absolute mess of a pick. But the state that the organization was in at the time didn’t help the situation one bit.
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Of course he was an Al Davis favorite: He was drafted #1 overall!! And people just accept this “russell didn’t work” garbage because it keeps getting repeated. Kiffin praised his work ethic. And just like he did in college, he showed up to minicamp ready to fight for his job. The guy was a competitor, but no one in the media and a lot of rednecks on this board couldn’t see past the “bling” to recognize that. In the short time he was here, he won games late in the 4th quarter that we would have lost in previous years. The most misunderstood player in the history of the NFL.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/12893/russell-not-ready-to-cede-to-campbell
March 9th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
697. Please.. Bruce? AD was the man for 50 yrs.. Your statement was lame, just admit it or move on..
March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
joesph addai is or is goona be released and could be a solid pick up for us and can be had before FA
March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Jared Counterman @JaredCounterman
Also, from what I’ve been told, Dwight Freeney is likely to be released also. #Colts
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NOW we are talking.
I don’t know what our current brain trust thinks of Freeney, but I’d guess they at least contact his agent.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Bush is gone unless Dmac dies or gets traded.. He wants to be a star.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
If all 32 teams in the NFL “mistunderstood” Russell, maybe that says more about him than it does anyone else.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
709.Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
697. Please.. Bruce? AD was the man for 50 yrs.. Your statement was lame, just admit it or move on..
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You want MR to move on?!
He’s not going anywhere, he’s staying in the trailer with his mom.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
Raiders cut cornerback Chris Johnson
March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Jerry, Please we need another post soon. I can only stomach so much more Jamarcus talk. Let’s move foward people. We can start by saying goodbyre to Chris “toast” Johnson.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Yep – Raiders cut Chris Johnson. So we are totally starting from scratch with the CBs.
Two years ago I would’ve said it was our most solid unit. Now our weakest.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
edward teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Mistic,
I can’t tell if your last post was meant to portray me as being disingenuous when it came to my past support of Russell, but it’s all in the archives.
I wanted Russell to succeed and supported him right up until it was clear that he was the problem. Look it up if you want to.
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not at all.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
What’s the “savings” on Johnson…3 mil?
Gotta be close to, or under the cap by now.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Why the fk should he have had to sit out to get his money? He’s a QB and he was the #1 overall pick in the draft! He gets his money, period! That deal should have been done BEFORE the draft. The Raiders fked this up big time!
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No they didn’t. Russell was not playing his lst year any way. Davis for the most part wanted his rookie players to sit and learn how to become pro’s their lst years. It happened with McFadden, Bush, and they were in no hurry to sign Russell. And they saved money by hardballing Russell that obviously would have just been pissed away.
That’s blshtt! And what does sitting him for the 1st year have to do with forcing him to miss training camp? Think that would have benefited him? JR got $4 million more than he originally asked for. Epic waste of his 1st training camp. Turned fans against him from the jump. Raiders fked up big time!
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/jamarcus-russell-and-the-jets/?partner=TOPIXNEWS&ei=5099
March 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
How did Palmer get brought into the Wimbley debate?
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the discussion was on current players that have restructured or should restructure their contracts. Palmer & Wimbly are the two latest players in the news cycle.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
$3.5 million. They’re almost cap compliant now. Henderson, Eugene, Kelly, and Curry and/or Wimbley would give them room to make moves.
With Curry and Wimbley, either both will restructure or one will and the other will be cut. Remains to be seen how that will work out.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
JaMarcus Russell is as dead to the raiders as is Al Davis.
Russell is unemployed, fat, and probably high.
Why is this cow still being slaughtered?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
JaMarcus Russell is as dead to the raiders as is Al Davis.
Russell is unemployed, fat, and probably high.
Why is this cow still being slaughtered?
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Because some posters continue to insist there’s going to be a “bidding war” over his dubious services.
I still can’t type that without laughing.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Cj cut and cork still taking his nap
March 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
$3.5 million. They’re almost cap compliant now. Henderson, Eugene, Kelly, and Curry and/or Wimbley would give them room to make moves.
With Curry and Wimbley, either both will restructure or one will and the other will be cut. Remains to be seen how that will work out.
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Thanks YA.
I’m sure they are trying to get some room to pursue a few FA’s.
Gotta get Branch locked down on a longer term cap friendly deal.
They still have the Henderson and Kelly contracts to play as well.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Can Jerry Mac or even Jon Becker report CJ’s release? What is WITH this blog anyway?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
They did what they could. Hired him a life coach. Sent him to fat camp. Yeah, that’s how you deal with an employee who has a drug problem. Again, the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
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That’s what you do with an employee guaranteed millions of dollars.
Are you suggesting the ‘tough love’ approach?
You ever deal with a drug addict, MR? Doesn’t sound like it. Neither approach really works. They have to be able to want it for themselves. Also applies to lazy @sses.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
“Jamrock” = biggest bust in NFL history. Had some talent. What a massive waste. Sickening.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Waddup Nation. No new news today?
March 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
JaMoney actually had two very good games to close out his second season… and the sky was the limit. Then the only positive role model he trusted died (his Uncle) and he basically gave up. This isn’t actually that unusual for 20 year olds… most don’t have an entire franchise on their back… hell I remember what I was like in my twenties.
I am not pissed at him or Al for what happened… both victims of circumstance.
I hope he finds some peace and guidance in his life, and not end up a broke junkie or something.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
725. They have real jobs writing. This is a courtesy me thinks…
Enjoy the day. Raiders!
March 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
The cj release means we are really looking to bring in a FA CB
March 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Why do I get the feeling that our secondary wont see a drop off in play even with all the turnover.
#WastedMoney
March 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
And now I shall put on flame-proof undies to withstand the heat for not hating on JaMarcus…
March 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
We dont need any big name FA’s.
If their name isnt Mario Williams, then lets sign some inexpensive “Fits”.
March 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
This blog stinks… I get my news from twitter and then come here to see if anything is reported on it and NOTHING! I’m sure one of these bozo’s will type something up in a few days or so.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
JaMoney actually had two very good games to close out his second season… and the sky was the limit. Then the only positive role model he trusted died (his Uncle) and he basically gave up.
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People close to you die. That is a fact of life. How do you cope?
Would Russell’s uncle have wanted him to give up and act like a child?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Cork still taking his nap
March 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Can Jerry Mac or even Jon Becker report CJ’s release? What is WITH this blog anyway?
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it’s been what?
10 minutes ???
CHILLAX
March 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
The new age of technology means things have to be reported instantly!! lol..
March 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
If the Bronco’s pick up Peyton, should we make a play to bring in Tebow?
I’d give them Bruce Campbell and a 4th rounder for him.
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we don’t have a 4th in 2012 (thanks Soup!)
I don’t want to trade any future picks. Give Reggie his full arsenal next year – besides what Hue gave up for Carson Palmer
trade this year’s 5th, BCamp and Mike Mitchell for Tim Tebow
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That’s it. You are impeached
March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
JaMoney actually had two very good games to close out his second season… and the sky was the limit. Then the only positive role model he trusted died (his Uncle) and he basically gave up. This isn’t actually that unusual for 20 year olds… most don’t have an entire franchise on their back… hell I remember what I was like in my twenties.
I am not pissed at him or Al for what happened… both victims of circumstance.
I hope he finds some peace and guidance in his life, and not end up a broke junkie or something.
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Actually, he played pretty well for us in 2009 after his benching. I think he reacted very well to that adversity, one of his underappreciated strengths. Gus Johnson compared him to “Johnny U” in the epic comeback against the Broncos in week 15. And he played pretty well against the Ravens in relief of Frye to end the season. We gave up on that guy way too soon.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Its still weak, no.2 has absolutely nothing to do with palmer, wimbly and their contract situations.
Why even bring up the guy who has been gone for a couple of years now?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
cj and rhout gone huffy to corner new look in our secondary save for branch me likey
March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Chillax? these fools haven’t broken a story since the new regime took over.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
And now I shall put on flame-proof undies to withstand the heat for not hating on JaMarcus…
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Na, not with me anyway.
Jamarcus FLAMED…I wish Him no ill will, but I’m not going to make any excuses for him either.
Actions always speak louder than words.
His actions demonstrate clearly his attitude and place, as it relates to a career in the NFL.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RR is no longer the president of the TP club. He was impeached.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
TP fan club.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
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Can you do that with debt as well?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Okay some of you dudes are off your rockers…
We gave up on Jafatball to soon?
Trade draft picks and players for Teblow?
This is insanity at it’s finest considering we already have 3 draft picks this year tied up in QB’s, one of which won’t be playing for us and another who supposedly has no chance of ever starting?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
And he played pretty well against the Ravens in relief of Frye to end the season.
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Before fumbling the game away? Or did an INT end it? I forget which came first.
Check Chaz’s comments after that game about Grad and then Russell (or lack of comment, I should say).
March 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Its still weak, no.2 has absolutely nothing to do with palmer, wimbly and their contract situations.
Why even bring up the guy who has been gone for a couple of years now?
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You’re right.
Wimbley = Businessman.
Palmer = Quitter.
JaMarcus = Bust.
Right?
Let’s move on….
March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Check Chaz’s comments after that game about Charlie* and then Russell (or lack of comment, I should say).
March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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People close to you die. That is a fact of life. How do you cope?
Would Russell’s uncle have wanted him to give up and act like a child?
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Oh really… did YOU lose your father when you were in your twenties?? And yes, his Uncle was his only father figure.
What were YOU doing at 23??
I was working for 6 bucks an hour without a care in the world… hard to imagine anything else at the time.
Pretty easy to sit here and judge and point fingers like an asshat.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
I’m gonna comment on something. Because as soon as I click on submit, Jer or Steve will have put up a new post. (never fails)
CJ had a rough year last season with injuries and his sisters murder. I hope you find a good home Chris.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
JaMoney actually had two very good games to close out his second season… and the sky was the limit. Then the only positive role model he trusted died (his Uncle) and he basically gave up.
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People close to you die. That is a fact of life. How do you cope?
Would Russell’s uncle have wanted him to give up and act like a child?
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When the hell did JR give up? Still haven’t figured out what JR did that’s so unforgivable. If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1011142/index.htm
March 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I guess you can’t really give up if you never really try.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
3 Broncos fail substance test and suspended. Linebacker D.J. Williams and defensive end Ryan McBean have been suspended six games, and tight end Virgil Green has been suspended four games.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
See there’s some news! Thanks Ex!
March 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Oh really… did YOU lose your father when you were in your twenties?? And yes, his Uncle was his only father figure.
What were YOU doing at 23??
I was working for 6 bucks an hour without a care in the world… hard to imagine anything else at the time.
Pretty easy to sit here and judge and point fingers like an asshat.
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I was doing at 23 what Russell should have been doing… growing up.
I did my dirt right up until about 21, 22.
I’ve been through it, seen people go through worse. All kinds of nastiness. “Asshat” or not, I had plenty of cares at 23 because I had to. Because I had a family to take care of and responsibilities and to pay for mistakes of wayward youth.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Yes, I understand the hatred towards JR because he set the Raiders back a few years… but in the end we got a QB that hopefully can win us a ring. Thats all that really counts. This is a GAME folks.
I truly hope he turns his life around like Ryan Leaf did.
He is actually a very inspirational figure now, if you hear him speak.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
3 Broncos fail substance test and suspended. Linebacker D.J. Williams and defensive end Ryan McBean have been suspended six games, and tight end Virgil Green has been suspended four games.
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The poor guys were driven to it by Tebow of Nazareth’s constant praying…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
756.Raiders for life Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
I’m gonna comment on something. Because as soon as I click on submit, Jer or Steve will have put up a new post. (never fails)
CJ had a rough year last season with injuries and his sisters murder. I hope you find a good home Chris.
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This is true.
People forget what an improvment CJ was over Hall.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
The poor guys were driven to it by Tebow of Nazareth’s constant praying…
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LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Raiders cut C. Johnson..
March 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
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That say’s it all.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I’ve been through it, seen people go through worse. All kinds of nastiness. “Asshat” or not, I had plenty of cares at 23 because I had to. Because I had a family to take care of and responsibilities and to pay for mistakes of wayward youth.
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Yes.. of course. “I would have been so much different.”
Not one person with 30 mill thrown at him at 20 years old would turn out bad in this forum… NOT ONE!
Just watch…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
He was an improvement over Hall but he didn’t deserve that ridiculous contract he got that’s for sure.
I don’t hate the guy, I wish him well but I also wouldn’t be surprised if we sign him back when no one else shows interest.
Is Lito Sheppard still under contract?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7666192/carson-palmer-oakland-raiders-restructures-contract-source-says
C. Johnson was cut today..lets go raiders!
March 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
We signed CJ after he was cut by Green Bay.No surprise Reggie cut him.What is surprising is it took so long.Eugene is probably coming up too.Over 2 mil for a BU safety,although he was a good ST player but after his injury can that still be counted on.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Tebow of Nazareth
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I’ve been through it, seen people go through worse. All kinds of nastiness. “Asshat” or not, I had plenty of cares at 23 because I had to. Because I had a family to take care of and responsibilities and to pay for mistakes of wayward youth.
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Yes.. of course. “I would have been so much different.”
Not one person with 30 mill thrown at him at 20 years old would turn out bad in this forum… NOT ONE!
Just watch…
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And yet we have plenty of examples of young men that did turn out ok.
At the end of the day we are all accountable for our actions.
Pretty simple.
Reap…sow…etc…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I think the only CBs under contract are DVD, Chekwa, and Underwood.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I think the only CBs under contract are DVD, Chekwa, and Underwood.
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Yo Raider O,
You know that’ll change.
Reggie is gathering his resources.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
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Damn good question! I suspect the bogus Vicks 44 allegeations leveled at him cost him him shot with the Bengals and Jets in 2010. Toward the end of the year, he got a look from the Redskins, who didn’t end up signing anyone. With no offseason in 2011 during the lockout, there was a glut of free agents that signed late and he probably got lost in the shuffle. Lots of bad luck for this dude. Too bad he doesn’t have an Ernie Acorsi, who was great friends with Joe Paterno, hand him a job like he did for Collins in NY. We’ll see what happens in 2012. If he really wants to make a comeback, and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t, he’ll get another shot.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
763.LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
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Does not want it otherwise he would be working out and be in shape.
Jaloser: “I think I’ll work our today!”
Purple Drank: “Just one sip”
Jaloser: “I’ll work out tomorrow.”
March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Madden the 13th.. I guess the coverstars just gonna die huh?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Everyone has a concious decision to make.
JR made his own bed and now he has to sleep in it.
This is true for common folks and profesional sports. You can’t always have someone holding your hand.
Bottom line…..Russell fk’d himself.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Hiram Eugene released.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
there was a glut of free agents that signed late and he probably got lost in the shuffle.
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LMFAO-you get more ridiculous by the hour.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Eugene gone. IT’s about time we clear the roster of average, overpaid players.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Joe Montana had a drug problem too…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Len,
I know, and I was hoping to get a good CB in FA, but I don’t think we can afford it. We can free more cap space, but it’s not going to be enough to sign big name FAs like Carr & Mario Williams.
I miss Al.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Eugene released because of “failed physical” according to Raiders on twitter.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Al also had a hand in blackballing JaMarcus in my opinion. There was a leak to law enforcement in regards to his special syrup. IDid not AD get out of paying Russell his last checks.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
there was a glut of free agents that signed late and he probably got lost in the shuffle.
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LMFAO-you get more ridiculous by the hour.
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Because clearly a GM couldn’t pick JaMarcus out in the “crowd” LOL
March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
B Favre had a problems with pain killers too.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Well we know that Finnegan’s, he’s been lobbying for a different team. Which is fine, I’m not sure that we would want him anyways.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Len,
I know, and I was hoping to get a good CB in FA, but I don’t think we can afford it. We can free more cap space, but it’s not going to be enough to sign big name FAs like Carr & Mario Williams.
I miss Al.
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Maybe not O,
But Reggie is swinging the ax as we speak, lets see what happens.
We may all be surprised.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Releasing CJ & Eugene should get us under the cap. Clayton reported that we were $5 million over the cap before we released both players.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Tracy Porter and Richard Marshall are two logical mid-tier targets. Relatively young players with some talent who have gotten it done for their teams in the past. Low-risk signings who would likely be instant starters.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Releasing CJ & Eugene should get us under the cap. Clayton reported that we were $5 million over the cap before we released both players.
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Then release Hendu, Kelly, and restructure Curry.
Get Branch signed to a long term cap friendly deal.
Still some cards to be played.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Carr would be ideal, but he’ll get somewhere in the neighborhood of $8 or $9 million a year on the open market.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I think calling the las angeles lakers, los lakers for spanish heritage month sounds even more white..
March 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Tracy Porter and Richard Marshall are two logical mid-tier targets. Relatively young players with some talent who have gotten it done for their teams in the past. Low-risk signings who would likely be instant starters.
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Here we go.
YA, you see any “impact” type guys that we might be able to corral?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Someone on Twitter just suggested signing Truffaunt and Bullitt (released by Colts today).
March 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Hey, I just noticed that Wimbley removed “Oakland Raiders” off of his twitter account.
Could be a sign of things to come…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
YA,
That 70% burn rate with Marshall a few years back scares me.
70%!!!??!!
March 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Brandon Jacobs released. Could be a low cost option replacement for Bush.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
per PFT: “D.J. Williams statement reveals he was suspended for allegedly providing a “non-human” urine sample”
hahahaahhaha! Was it fake pee or did he follow his dog around the yard all day?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Maybe Wimbley will be kept,although I can’t see how we can justify his salary for the production he provides.I guess you will always have some players who are grossly overpaid.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
If brandon jacobs wasnt worth 5mil to the giants, what will bush get out there?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Len,
I think Curry, Lechler, and Jano will restructure. we will cut TK, Wimbley, and Henderson.
I don’t think that will free more than $15 million in cap space.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I think Reggie will be good at finding people who aren’t just the “big names” that we all know, but someone that can come cheap but will be solid.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I’d take Porter and Jacobs, I def think we could do worse than those two. Although Jacobs does have some Bush tendencies, trying to be twinkle toes instead of blasting and plowing. I think we need a bruiser but we could always move Reece to RB and have Tonga play FB full time.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
per PFT: “D.J. Williams statement reveals he was suspended for allegedly providing a “non-human” urine sample”
hahahaahhaha! Was it fake pee or did he follow his dog around the yard all day?
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Nah,he used one of Tebow’s samples.Everyone in Denver thinks he is god and not human.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Wimbley is gonzo, matk told me a week ago
March 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
I want Williams & Carr, but I will settle for Williams and T Porter.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Maybe Wimbley will be kept,although I can’t see how we can justify his salary for the production he provides.I guess you will always have some players who are grossly overpaid.
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Based on the guaranteed money due March 17th, I hope not Lefty.
When Reggie said “out of whack” I’m sure this is one of the deals he was referring to.
They might like some of Wimbley has to offer, but I don’t know how they “justify” it.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Tonga got cut today no?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
per PFT: “D.J. Williams statement reveals he was suspended for allegedly providing a “non-human” urine sample”
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Wow. He really WAS a “beast”…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
per PFT: “D.J. Williams statement reveals he was suspended for allegedly providing a “non-human” urine sample”
hahahaahhaha! Was it fake pee or did he follow his dog around the yard all day?
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Nah,he used one of Tebow’s samples.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Len,
I think Curry, Lechler, and Jano will restructure. we will cut TK, Wimbley, and Henderson.
I don’t think that will free more than $15 million in cap space.
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Good point regarding Jano and Lech, I overlook them because they’re kickers…lol
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Why does everyone want to get rid of Kelly? He gets good pressure in the interior, his teammates respect him, and his cap hit isnt even that much compared to his production.
Maybe I just dont get it?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Tonga got cut today no?
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Without a link, I’m calling BS on that. Why cut Tonga? Dude’s not making more than the second-year minimum, whatever that is.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Jerry or Steve should be posting up here soon!
Raiders released CB Chris Johnson.
Johnson’s $3.5 million base salary was a prohibitive number for a cornerback going on age 33 who was really little more than an Al Davis favorite. The move leaves 2011 third-round pick Demarcus Van Dyke as the most experienced cornerback on the Raiders’ roster. Johnson started 29 games over the 2008-2011 seasons. He may resurface elsewhere at a much cheaper rate.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
March 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
YA,
That 70% burn rate with Marshall a few years back scares me.
70%!!!??!!
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Was only a part-time player for the beginning of the season. Started the last four or five games and his performance steadily improved. Check out the write-up ProFootballFocus did on him. Solid player, will be inexpensive and will at the very least provide some competition for Chekwa.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
roster spots opening up cap space is availible
now we can add some solid contribotors to the team as their getting released before FA
was getting worried about all the damn garuntee money we had on the books
reggie mac gettin it done
March 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Just caught the end of a report from Clayton, on BSPN.
That three donkeys have been suspended. Two got 6 games. one got 4 games..
Didn’t quite catch, who, and what for..
PED’s I assume?……
March 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
He’s not necessarily an “impact” player, but Aubrayo Franklin would allow the Raiders to effectively show 3-4 looks.
If Freeney does indeed get cut, he’s very similar to Elvis Dumervil, who excelled in Allen’s defense in Denver.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The Raiders are now under the cap according to someone on twitter.
Who said Tonga got cut? I haven’t seen that anywhere.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Can Jacobs block?
I think deep down we all know the #2 RB might be starting in week 8.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Some of you fools need to read through the previous posts before you come in here and “report” stuff that’s already been said. Your wasting our time. Try to keep up guys…
March 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
What Wimbley is showing is he isn’t a team player and those are the type of players I believe Reggie wants-TEAMates not Imates.Bush might also fall into that category.Remember when he was asked to play FB due to injuries and he refused?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
He’s not necessarily an “impact” player, but Aubrayo Franklin would allow the Raiders to effectively show 3-4 looks.
If Freeney does indeed get cut, he’s very similar to Elvis Dumervil, who excelled in Allen’s defense in Denver.
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Thanks YA, I like the way you are thinking.
Those 2 would be solid additions.
I’d presume that Freeney would come cheaper than Wimbleys existing #’s, and provide better performance than Kam.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Eugene released because of “failed physical” according to Raiders on twitter.
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Bummer. He was one of our better special teams guys. Effective gunner, on kick coverage….
March 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The Raiders are now under the cap according to someone on twitter.
Who said Tonga got cut? I haven’t seen that anywhere.
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Rockstar posted a Raider cut “wishlist” in response to the cuts made by the Colts.
No media source, just a spoof, but also an educated guess.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I overlook them because they’re kickers…lol
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I hate kickers!
March 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RR was messing you people.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
wimblys an iddiot hes losing money in the long run nobodys gonna pay him what we were
March 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I overlook them because they’re kickers…lol
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I hate kickers!
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I like OUR kickers, but damn, they make a lot of money!
March 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
No Jacobs pls. Dude is even a bigger twinkle toes than Bush. We can get an udfa for cheap to play the bruiser role. They’re not that hard to find.
Sad to see CJ37 gone. I did like that guy with the one decent year he had. He was a hitter too. He’d do well as a FS in this league with that speed and mean streak.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RaiderLen, why would he wish for Tonga to be cut? that cut wouldn’t make any since. We would be left with no true blocking FB’s.
If we can’t afford another RB or want to spend that money on the D than: Move Reece to RB, Tonga plays FB full time and we’re golden brown. DMC, Reece, TJ.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
This is the post I’m talking about. I didn’t see RR’s post.
Marks hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Tonga got cut today no?
March 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
505raiders Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
wimblys an iddiot hes losing money in the long run nobodys gonna pay him what we were
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Therein lies the sticking point.
The Raiders, I believe, would like to keep him, but they want to pay him less over a re negotiated deal.
So, Wimbley and his agent need to determine where the greenest pasture lies, and stand in it.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Lechler is the emergency QB. Plus he can drop it on 2yd line 9-10 times. PLUS he can almost make a good hit if needed.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
So Wimbley is an idiot for expecting his employer to honor the contract they drew up for him???
Holy Mackerel.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I know we have two of the best kickers in football, but that has no impact on how I feel about kickers.
March 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RaiderLen, why would he wish for Tonga to be cut? that cut wouldn’t make any since. We would be left with no true blocking FB’s.
If we can’t afford another RB or want to spend that money on the D than: Move Reece to RB, Tonga plays FB full time and we’re golden brown. DMC, Reece, TJ.
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Can’t answer why Rockstar might have had Him on the list. I don’t know.
I’d just say that Tonga is inconsequential FINANCIALLY.
I wouldn’t expect him to be cut for salary cap reasons.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Kickers are part of the game.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
So are Taxes, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I know we have two of the best kickers in football, but that has no impact on how I feel about kickers.
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I feel you O.
You know, back in the 70’s they were mostly foreigners…LOL
The good ones anyway.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Touche’ Raider O, touche’
March 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Kickers are part of the game
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And every once in a while, they win the game.
(or lose it)
March 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
the way i see it is hes sticking with the contract he signed and i dont blame him for it
and thats bad for buisiness when your not living up to your contract and not willing to give and take
March 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Raiderjhawk Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
So Wimbley is an idiot for expecting his employer to honor the contract they drew up for him???
Holy Mackerel.
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No
But the contract allows the raiders to release Him.
If He doesn’t want to re negotiate, he’ll take the 6.5 mil the raiders have paid him for THIS season, and find another deal elsewhere.
Wimbley is’nt getting screwed.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Len,
That’s because they grew up wanting to be soccer players. No normal kid dreams about becoming a kicker in the NFL.
-What do you wanna be when you grow up?
- NFL kicker!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Yes.. of course. “I would have been so much different.”
Not one person with 30 mill thrown at him at 20 years old would turn out bad in this forum… NOT ONE!
Just watch…
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gdog, I never said I would have acted differently with all that money, I just told you what I was doing at 23.
I can tell you with 100% certainty if I got that kind of money at 18, I would have done it up like Russell (no syrup, bit I would have had a good time and probably ignored my responsibilities).
At 22, 23 it was just a different story.
And this points to a disturbing trend with these young draft picks and young athletes in general. Any Given Sunday touched on this a bit.
Ol school football players would sell cars and insurance in the offseason. Guys who got big time contracts weren’t rookies, they were proven vets and still not getting the same kind of scratch, proportionally that guys get today.
Free agency, the media, and a different culture in America changed things.
But you still got guys that go out there, get crazy paid and still put in work.
Cause they have something to prove. They have some pride in themselves. That’s all my point was.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
TRob for POY.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Raiders released/failed physical S Hiram Eugene.
Eugene, 31, was due a $2.25 million base salary. The Raiders are slashing costs, and Eugene still wasn’t fully recovered after missing all of last season with a dislocated hip. Eugene is primarily a special teamer, so he’d been vastly overpaid by the old Oakland regime. The Raiders still have to make a decision on the future of Kamerion Wimbley’s $11 million base salary.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Len,
That’s because they grew up wanting to be soccer players. No normal kid dreams about becoming a kicker in the NFL.
-What do you wanna be when you grow up?
- NFL kicker!
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You got it!
Exactly right.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
R8eray, I said that almost 45 minutes ago. Get with the times man.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Lefty, it’s a business my friend. Truth is Palmer, Seymour and the rest restructuring didn’t involve any real sacrifice, it was really just a shuffling of numbers. Sounds like Wimbley ultimately takes less than even if the Raiders cut him considering what he’s likely to get elsewhere.
The thing about Bush I disagree with as well. Dumb idea by Tom Cable. FB and HB are dramatically different roles and something Bush has never done before. This was the coach that put Janikowski in a position to try to outrun a defense to the edge and take a ball 9 yards deep in the backfield and run it for a first down on 4th and 8.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
You guys are crazy, I wanted to be a field goal kicker when I was young. I’ve actually been training my son to kick FG’s. You can make some good money and every team needs kickers.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
LA,
Do you mind me asking how old you are?
Most kids in their early twenties can’t spell responsibility these days.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
LA,
Do you mind me asking how old you are?
Most kids in their early twenties can’t spell responsibility these days.
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Pardon me for butting in here O…
My son is 20, and has been and is, way more responsible than I was at the same age.
Plenty of responsible young’ins out there.
Not just my Son, but most of His friends.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
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Damn good question! I suspect the bogus Vicks 44 allegeations leveled at him cost him him shot with the Bengals and Jets in 2010. Toward the end of the year, he got a look from the Redskins, who didn’t end up signing anyone. With no offseason in 2011 during the lockout, there was a glut of free agents that signed late and he probably got lost in the shuffle. Lots of bad luck for this dude. Too bad he doesn’t have an Ernie Acorsi, who was great friends with Joe Paterno, hand him a job like he did for Collins in NY. We’ll see what happens in 2012. If he really wants to make a comeback, and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t, he’ll get another shot.
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Bogus load of crap.
NFL teams are billion dollar operations that will do virtually anything to win in an extremely competetive environment. This means that they have the resources to check out anything and everything about a player before making a move to sign him. Those “bogus Vicks 44 allegations” would have been checked out, analyzed and then checked out again before anyone made a move. So would the stories coming out of Oakland that his work ethic was laughable and that his attitude was not that of an NFL player.
If any or most of that was proven to be groundless he would be on an NFL roster right now.
“lost in the shuffle?” Stop lying to yourself. At some point you have to realize that Jamarcus sank his own boat, that he was the only one that could dredge it up, and he couldn’t bring himself to do it.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Chris,the difference is Palmer,Seymour and the rest restructured to help the TEAM.Wimbley refuses to do so to help the TEAM.He is only worried about himself,not a team player or the type of player Reggie has said he wanted.As far as Bush goes,you have to know it was the old man’s idea for him to play FB and it was requested ONLY due to injuries,yet he refused to ‘take one for the team’.Once again an Imate not a TEAMate.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Lefty, I like Seymour and Palmer a lot, but their helping the team didn’t come at their own expense. If anything it benefitted them as they got more of their money up front in a signing bonus, rather than delayed.
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May 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
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