Raiders cut two players, clear even more salary cap space
By Steve Corkran
Friday, March 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
As expected, the Raiders released veteran defensive backs Chris Johnson and Hiram Eugene. The moves save the Raiders approximately $6 million in salary cap space for 2012.
It’s conceivable that one or both players will be re-signed before the season starts. However, the Raiders had to come up with more cap space before the Mar. 13 deadline, and Johnson and Eugene offered obvious targets.
Eugene missed all of last season with a hip injury that he sustained in an exhibition game. Johnson suffered an injury in the regular-season opener, aggravated the injury soon thereafter and missed most of the season.
Both players carved out niches with the Raiders after arriving as free agents. Neither factored much into the Raiders fortunes last season, and they aren’t expected to be key roles moving forward, either.
Cutting Eugene and Johnson are the latest in a series of moves designed to remedy a serious overage on the cap for 2012. The Raiders entered the week some $28 million over — including the $6.2 allotted for safety Tyvon Branch via the franchise tag. They shaved $21 million or so by restructuring the contracts of quarterback Carson Palmer, defensive tackle Richard Seymour and free safety Michael Huff.
In other words, the Raiders are just about in compliance with the league-mandated amount. Even so, they still need to free up quite a bit more money so that they can be active in free agency and sign their 2012 draft picks.
Much of that can be taken care of by cutting defensive tackle John Henderson ($4 million) and restructuring the contract of linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million salary for 2012).
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March 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
about time.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I will pretend I didn’t read your last post.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Thanks Steve! You think we could sign Peyton Manning before the Chiefs or Donkeys snatch him up? lol
March 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
nice. now call P. Manning and see if he’d like to be a part of the silver and black.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Do we have any defensive backs anymore?
March 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Lol cork Is now reporting the 28 million over the cap as fact? Post some proof of that cork! Not Paul gs lame story either. Give us the real numbers since u must have them.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
This shows how bad our DBs were. We cut both starting corners to save money.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
CJ hasn’t been a starter for a long time and neither has Eugene…
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Do we have any defensive backs anymore?
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Yep, I’m gonna try out. I can act like “toast’ at a very cap friendly number.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Len,
We are not talking about a selected group, but more in general. The avg 20 year old today is less responsible than a 20 year old from prev generations.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
860. Raiders going system over substance from now on. Davis era is dead as dreams…
Sad but Silver and Black lives on…
Enjoy the afternoon Raider fans!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Brandon Jacobs might make a good replacement for Bush.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Orale….
March 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
CJ hasn’t been a starter for a long time and neither has Eugene…
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Wasn’t CJ the starter going into the season before he was injured?
March 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Len,
They don’t have the same drive, work ethic, or responsibility IMO. People in their early 20s are considered kids in most industrial/ advanced societies and the rest of the world.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Who’s last post Raider O?
March 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Do we have any defensive backs anymore?
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Sure. Chekwa, DVD, Huff, Branch, Mitchell, Underwood…
March 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Finnegan seems like hes already in Tampa and they can pay him $10 mill a year.
If Reggie is building a more Green Bay like D he’ll want ball hawk CBs. That means gambling and getting burnt alot.
It’ll also mean getting lit up by West Coast Offenses most likely.
Really interested to see Chimdi all healed up from surgery and ready to take advantage of a full pre season.
Have a good night Nation!~
March 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Len,
We are not talking about a selected group, but more in general. The avg 20 year old today is less responsible than a 20 year old from prev generations.
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Probably true O.
I know that each generation has lamented the youth.
But as a trend, we seem to be less self reliant as a society, so ya, sadly I agree.
Just thank full that my circle is part of a solution.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
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Damn good question! I suspect the bogus Vicks 44 allegeations leveled at him cost him him shot with the Bengals and Jets in 2010. Toward the end of the year, he got a look from the Redskins, who didn’t end up signing anyone. With no offseason in 2011 during the lockout, there was a glut of free agents that signed late and he probably got lost in the shuffle. Lots of bad luck for this dude. Too bad he doesn’t have an Ernie Acorsi, who was great friends with Joe Paterno, hand him a job like he did for Collins in NY. We’ll see what happens in 2012. If he really wants to make a comeback, and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t, he’ll get another shot.
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Bogus load of crap.
NFL teams are billion dollar operations that will do virtually anything to win in an extremely competetive environment. This means that they have the resources to check out anything and everything about a player before making a move to sign him. Those “bogus Vicks 44 allegations” would have been checked out, analyzed and then checked out again before anyone made a move. So would the stories coming out of Oakland that his work ethic was laughable and that his attitude was not that of an NFL player.
If any or most of that was proven to be groundless he would be on an NFL roster right now.
“lost in the shuffle?” Stop lying to yourself. At some point you have to realize that Jamarcus sank his own boat, that he was the only one that could dredge it up, and he couldn’t bring himself to do it.
I and others supported the heck out of this guy. Too bad he didn’t care enough to put in the work, because if you are a good player the Nation will love you forever. Steal from Al, however, and it’s a different story.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Do we have any defensive backs anymore?
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Yep, I’m gonna try out. I can act like “toast’ at a very cap friendly level.
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Lol
March 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Joseph addi cut? Go get him for our backup slot!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Alright fellows… it’s been fun.
Now it’s time for some Jayhawk Basketball! About to put a beat down on these Baylor Bears.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Addai
March 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Clark cut too. Dayyyum!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Much of that can be taken care of by cutting defensive tackle John Henderson ($4 million) and restructuring the contract of linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million salary for 2012).
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Get on with it Reggie. Kamerion isn’t worth $4M.
The Colts are blowing their team up…the Raiders defense deserves the same treatment.
Clean this house Reggie!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Yeah, Indy cut a but load of people and is dangling Freeney for picks I believe…
Hiram Eugene apparently failed the physical and CJ probably doesn’t have it in him anymore! Murder and attempted murder on his sister and mom can take a lot of toll! God Bless him and his family!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
I like John Henderson but that’s too much cash for him at this stage in his career, especially when we’ve got so much money tied up at DT and Des Bryant is ready to be a breakout stud at the position. Can’t be payin $4 mil for a 4th DT with not much tread left. That one seems to be a no-brainier.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Have a good week-end everyone…
I’ll leave y’all with this one to ponder:
Ron_White Getting shaved by a barber’s like getting a hand job from a stripper. I could do it better myself for free, w/o the awkward smalltalk
about 5 hours ago
March 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Chris Johnson @ChrisJohnson_37 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
I want to Thank the Davis family & the Raider organization for 5 great yrs. I can’t forget those great Raider Nation fans!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Aaron Curry @AaronCurry51 Close
6 hrs with coaching staff!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
CJ37= Class act.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Clemens, what does that Curry comment mean? Restructured deal? I hope so. Would love to see him stay.
March 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Thank you both Hiram and CJ for service. I pray for CJ’s family and healing. Rough year.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they both come back at the league vet min.
Have a good weekend NATION!
March 9th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
This blog. Should start blocking posters who bring up jamarcus “the turd” russell’s name should be banned for a minimum of 2 weeks. That clown should never be discussed on a raiders blog.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
da trinity Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
This blog. Should start blocking posters who bring up jamarcus “the turd” russell’s name should be banned for a minimum of 2 weeks. That clown should never be discussed on a raiders blog.
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Sorry, bro. Gets me riled up when somebody says it’s everybody’s fault he failed but his.
He took Al for a ride, and he knows it. That’s all I’ll ever say about him again.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Clemens, what does that Curry comment mean? Restructured deal? I hope so. Would love to see him stay.
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He also tweeted he is getting on a flight. Maybe he met with coaches and restructured contract.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Will someone put up a bill board in Oakland dat says bring Brain Dawkins to Oakland!!!
I’m sure he’s cheap
And he is still is a straight GOON back dere
2 year deal
March 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Where is the outrage?????? so teams can cut players and avoid paying the bonuses and other money in the contract, and no one says a word. The moment a player decides that he wants to hold the hammer, and refuses to have his deal reworked he is the worst thing on earth.
Double standards stink. Wimbly needs to do what he has to in order to ensure the best possible fortune for his family. The teams serve their own interest and ultimately so do the players, as it should be in any contract between parties.
we dont know the real reasons why some players accept a restructure and others do not. However it is safe to say that the player must believe that he is getting the best possible situation if he agrees, anything less would be simple bad business. Agents would go out of business if it was found out that they allowed their clients to restructure their deal for some silly altruistic or romantic notion based on sentimentality or the concept of team.
The idea that seymore, huff and Carson are better people or more team oriented than wimbly because they agreed to restructure is foolish, and flawed.
Lets not fool ourselves, football is cut throat corporatism and nothing more. Player agents and teams understand this in negotiation, and submit to its rigors of the ritual.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Dawkins has worse neck issues than Peyton Manning.
Not good for a safety that likes to make contact. He’s a beast alright, I just don’t think he’s healthy.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19616541
March 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I can only guess that the above post about Dawkins was from his desperate agent hoping the Raiders are looking for has-beens to cover in the secondary.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Mistic,
Wimbley gets $6.5 mill this year whether he ever plays again or not in the NFL. You have a problem with those numbers you must be a lawyer.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Reggie and Allen both said that changes are coming.
Somehow I doubt that signing a 38 year old safety with neck problems to a 2 year contract is one of them.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Where is the outrage?????? so teams can cut players and avoid paying the bonuses and other money in the contract, and no one says a word. The moment a player decides that he wants to hold the hammer, and refuses to have his deal reworked he is the worst thing on earth.
Double standards stink. Wimbly needs to do what he has to in order to ensure the best possible fortune for his family. The teams serve their own interest and ultimately so do the players, as it should be in any contract between parties.
we dont know the real reasons why some players accept a restructure and others do not. However it is safe to say that the player must believe that he is getting the best possible situation if he agrees, anything less would be simple bad business. Agents would go out of business if it was found out that they allowed their clients to restructure their deal for some silly altruistic or romantic notion based on sentimentality or the concept of team.
The idea that seymore, huff and Carson are better people or more team oriented than wimbly because they agreed to restructure is foolish, and flawed.
Lets not fool ourselves, football is cut throat corporatism and nothing more. Player agents and teams understand this in negotiation, and submit to its rigors of the ritual.
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Blah blah blah,
Some players do take a Home team discounts.
They have a Family and children in school. Homes, relationships, and an interest in the community.
Agents work on behalf of players, ultimately the player provides the agent with the parameters of an acceptable agreement.
Has nothing do do with better people, just one’s PRIORITIES.
The almighty dollar is not always the most important part of a decision.
Show me the double standard.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Blackbeard,
some posters here latch onto every name possible. yadda yadda yadda.it is their game. their thoughtless game.
you, my friend, have thoughts.
gracias por esto.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@ Mistic
I’m pretty sure 6 million a year is enough to feed his family. He should know he’s not worth .11 million a year. By the way, how are u and Jason Campbell doing. I heard he left his old lady for you.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Wimbley —- Overrated.
I told you all last year when Al resigned him. He shows up for 1 or 2 games with that head dip move and Al threw the checkbook at him. He is best used as a nickel rusher.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
M Lonetree Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Mistic,
Wimbley gets $6.5 mill this year whether he ever plays again or not in the NFL. You have a problem with those numbers you must be a lawyer.
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da trinity Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@ Mistic
I’m pretty sure 6 million a year is enough to feed his family. He should know he’s not worth .11 million a year. By the way, how are u and Jason Campbell doing. I heard he left his old lady for you.
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what you and i think he is worth makes no difference, this is business and its a two way street.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
It took al Davis passing to finally get rid of Hiram Eugene, only 5 years too late.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
So u don’t think he cld our secondary
Knows Allen’s system
Yeah he get burn
But not often
And not as bad as the product we put out on the field
This if huff move 2 corner
Who wld u lik 2 see???
March 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderLen,
I do not follow NCAA basketball except the Cal Bears, but today I was reading a very good story in USA Today about Delaware’s woman BB player, Elena Delle Donne. the almighty coin is not her first concern.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Appreciate that, Lonetree. Thank you.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Wimbley —- Overrated.
I told you all last year when Al resigned him. He shows up for 1 or 2 games with that head dip move and Al threw the checkbook at him. He is best used as a nickel rusher.
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He’s certainly overpaid based upon production.
I don’t dislike Wimbley, I just don’t want the Raiders to be on the hook for another 19 mil? guaranteed come March 17th.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I think Curry could have a big year for us, quite possibly at ILB alongside McClain while also blitzing, which every Denver fan I’ve talked to says he loves to do. I see Curry as a potentially great player when all he’s asked to do is attack and play forward either as a pass rusher or run stuffer. It’s when he has to back peddle and play passively and read and react that he’s exposed. I think DA will have the smarts to put him in position to accentuate his strengths.
Another great trade by Hue Jackson.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
M Lonetree Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderLen,
I do not follow NCAA basketball except the Cal Bears, but today I was reading a very good story in USA Today about Delaware’s woman BB player, Elena Delle Donne. the almighty coin is not her first concern.
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I don’t follow it either Lonetree.
It’s Her right to follow whatever she may choose.
Glad she has the right.
We all make choices based upon life experience.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Where is the outrage?????? so teams can cut players and avoid paying the bonuses and other money in the contract, and no one says a word. The moment a player decides that he wants to hold the hammer, and refuses to have his deal reworked he is the worst thing on earth.
Double standards stink. Wimbly needs to do what he has to in order to ensure the best possible fortune for his family. The teams serve their own interest and ultimately so do the players, as it should be in any contract between parties.
we dont know the real reasons why some players accept a restructure and others do not. However it is safe to say that the player must believe that he is getting the best possible situation if he agrees, anything less would be simple bad business. Agents would go out of business if it was found out that they allowed their clients to restructure their deal for some silly altruistic or romantic notion based on sentimentality or the concept of team.
The idea that seymore, huff and Carson are better people or more team oriented than wimbly because they agreed to restructure is foolish, and flawed.
Lets not fool ourselves, football is cut throat corporatism and nothing more. Player agents and teams understand this in negotiation, and submit to its rigors of the ritual.
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Blah blah blah,
Some players do take a Home team discounts.
They have a Family and children in school. Homes, relationships, and an interest in the community.
Agents work on behalf of players, ultimately the player provides the agent with the parameters of an acceptable agreement.
Has nothing do do with better people, just one’s PRIORITIES.
The almighty dollar is not always the most important part of a decision.
Show me the double standard.
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Try to keep up.
people have said carson seymore and huff are “team players” because they restructured. When as you pointed out (and agreed with my point) players have lots of reasons why they accept a restructure. Money isnt the only reason but it is about putting them selves & family in the best position possible.
The same people say wimbly is ’selfish” for refusing to restructure, when he is also doing whats best for him.
There is no tooth fairy, rabbits dont lay eggs, and all sides are serving their own interest. There is no high road in the entertainment business, only a toll road.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Andy Ross @adross77 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
He’s back!!!!! #raidernation pic.twitter.com/EbVOt1Vh
Retweeted by Vittorio Tafur
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It looks like Curry’s agent tweeted that he got a deal done with Raiders.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
He’s certainly overpaid based upon production.
I don’t dislike Wimbley, I just don’t want the Raiders to be on the hook for another 19 mil? guaranteed come March 17th.
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Len, you said it best right there. I like the guy but definitely not the premier pass rushing money we paid him.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I think Curry could have a big year for us, quite possibly at ILB alongside McClain while also blitzing, which every Denver fan I’ve talked to says he loves to do. I see Curry as a potentially great player when all he’s asked to do is attack and play forward either as a pass rusher or run stuffer. It’s when he has to back peddle and play passively and read and react that he’s exposed. I think DA will have the smarts to put him in position to accentuate his strengths.
Another great trade by Hue Jackson.
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Glad to see some enthusiasm coming back Chris.
Reggie seems to like both players acquired by Hubert.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
For a third round trade, I thought Wimbley was a steal. However, for that money Al threw at him, he was a bust imho.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Thing with Wimbley is he gets that $6 mil regardless. If he holds firm and gets cut he’ll get that $6 mil plus another $8 mil per or more from another team as the second best pass rusher on the market. Raiders are obviously hoping to keep him.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
dj williams on steriods….another cushing
March 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
For a third round trade, I thought Wimbley was a steal. However, for that money Al threw at him, he was a bust imho.
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Wimbley’s current contract means we’d be paying near-Mario Williams money for nowhere near Mario Williams production.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
the majority of human beings live on less monies per week than it requires us to pay for a month of internet service.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Martellus Bennett is an interesting free agent. Really talented player, though prob a bit of a headache too. Very talented guy though.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Duck,
SuperMario had near zero contribution last year. A replaceable part.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
62, although Cushing was a stud this year. Guy is fantastic. Either he doesn’t need the roads or he found a way to beat the system.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Well Att least were moving some dead weight and yes brandon Jacobs would be a nice replacement for bush like the good old days AT USC thunder and lighting with mcfadden/tiawan/Jacobs
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Wimbley’s current contract means we’d be paying near-Mario Williams money for nowhere near Mario Williams production.
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Read on Grantland.com yesterday that the Lions are scrambling to avoid a Mario williams-like scenario next year with Calvin Johnson. He’s in the last year of his deal that will pay him 22 million this year, and if they want to keep him past that and tag him it will cost them, get this… 27.5 million. That’s right around 25 per cent of their entire current cap number.
Great players are nice to have, but figuring a way to keep them around past their 27th birthday and still field a competetive team is mind-boggling.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Reggie’s GB model – no high-priced RBs and no high-priced WRs.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
“Where is the outrage?????? so teams can cut players and avoid paying the bonuses and other money in the contract, and no one says a word. The moment a player decides that he wants to hold the hammer, and refuses to have his deal reworked he is the worst thing on earth.
Double standards stink. Wimbly needs to do what he has to in order to ensure the best possible fortune for his family. The teams serve their own interest and ultimately so do the players, as it should be in any contract between parties.”
Mystic the players created this themselves with free agency. Free agency has not been good to the fan at all.
When a team asks you to restructure to get under the cap you are making tens of millions of dollars its ridiculous. Eli Manning did it so he could get more players and he is the super bowl MVP.
The fans get gouged because free agency allows players to make outrageous salaries its costs us $80 for a ticket that should cost $20 and pay $20 for parking and $10 beers I say BS!! And Wimbly needs 11 million a year because 8 or 9 is not good enough so eventually I can pay $90 a ticket, when does it stop?
March 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
When its all over and we cut him Wimbly will sign somewhere else for 6 or 7 million a year you watch.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Triple6,
you are correct. on all counts.
March 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
When its all over and we cut him Wimbley will sign somewhere else for 6 or 7 million a year you watch.
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And with the $6.5 million we’ll be paying him, he’ll still get more than we would have paid him this year. Sux for us, but what can you do?
March 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
The same people say wimbly is ’selfish” for refusing to restructure, when he is also doing whats best for him.
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I’m up…
I never said Wimbley was selfish.
He’s entitled to do whatever he chooses contractually.
My response to his decision as to whats best for Him is GOOD, at that amount of money, take the 6.5 and find a better deal for your family.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
And with the $6.5 million we’ll be paying him, he’ll still get more than we would have paid him this year. Sux for us, but what can you do?
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True. C’est la vie.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
cut wimbley and henderson and sign mario williams.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Triple6,
all politicians/NFL teams hide their laughter when they lie about how “smart” (read “stupid”) Americans are.
if you’ve never seen it,
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
has many applicable tales.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Better watch it, Aig. Using French on a Raiders blog is fodder for abuse, but using it and spelling it correctly is really putting yourself out there
March 9th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Blackbeard,
as a pirate king you yourself must know many languages, customs and designations/assignations.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
“And with the $6.5 million we’ll be paying him, he’ll still get more than we would have paid him this year. Sux for us, but what can you do?”
Yeah exactly so lets say he signs with a team for 5 years 35 million, he will actually get in total 5 years 41.5.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
This was a long time coming. They both suck. Worst defense EVER! Gonna be a long 2012, especially with Manning joining the AFC West.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I restructured my contract because I was born a Christfilled Raider! I’m excited to be able to Glorify God and build His Kingdom w/ the best Franchise ever!!! #TEAMJESUS #RaiderMentality #RaiderMentality
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March 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Lonetree,
Us pirates are not all that interested in others’ customs and protocols.
Pillage and plunder. It does have its drawbacks and ramifications, but it ain’t complicated and if you’ve ever met a pirate you’ll know that the less thinking that’s involved the smoother things go.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
M Lonetree
Thanks for the link I will check it out.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I just realized how much my last post sounded like the Bush doctrine.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Praise God that curry restructured. Now its time for you to put the fear of God in opposing QB’S , RB’S AND WR’s my brother
March 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Glad we kept Curry, kid is the hardest hitter on our D, coach Allen will work to help him on pass d.
Now it’s time to wrok a new deal w/ Kam if he still wants to be a Raider.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
No way we keep Kam at that price.
Adios Henderson, Wimbley, any other overpaid slouch.
We can add some of Reggie’s and DA’s type, can’t wait to see these guys build this team.
In other news from Donktown:
Manning arrived in Donkville today and quickly realized the Donks suck.
Elway can’t stand Teblows. Hope he stays as if he’s behind center, they go 6-10.
Manning goes to Houston….
March 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
“Sweeeeeet Baby Jeeeeeesus!!!!!”
Thank you Curry!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
You know what the interesting thing about our current LBs is, is that all three are first rounders, and all 3 are borderline busts. You would think that having 3 first round LBs on your D would make you one of the best Ds in the league.
Let’s hope the new system brings the best out of all of them. Given KW stays of course.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Looks we scooped Jerry and Steve again with the Curry news.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
JaMarcus is a great playa, get over it…
Where is papa Raider, when you need him? I’m pretty sure, the majority of the fans want him back isn’t it?
March 9th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Peyton goes to donks tbone is blown
Peyton disses the donks tbone is blown.
this will only be gnus to BSPN and other tbone hypers.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Reggie mckenzie doing work!
March 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Reggie had most of these guys on blast when he had his introductory presser. Watching the GB game tape, told him everything he needed to know.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
If Manning goes to Donkeys I’m seriously pissed.
All I heard about last season was f’n Teblow.
Now all I’ll hear about is Peyton’s Turkey Neck on Elway.(Not that there’s anything wrong with turkey necking men if that’s your thing…)
March 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Kelly, Lechler, wimbley…Reggie is coming for you next.
March 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Cut Kelly, Henderson and Wimbley. Sign Carr and Franklin.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Dakota,
SDS Jackrabbits have anyone to offer as replacements for dismissed Oaktown defensemen?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
M Lonetree Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Peyton goes to donks tbone is blown
Peyton disses the donks tbone is blown.
this will only be gnus to BSPN and other tbone hypers.
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Yup.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
M, I am a yote, not a rabbit! USD!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Dakota,
USD have anyone who can run the ball for a few months without doing the McInjury thing?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Is yote Jamal white still an NFL rb?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Stefan Logan still around….another yote.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I guess doing best for him is enough for his team to get better? LOL! Hope he can win a Super Bowl or get to the playoffs on his salary!
March 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders cut two players, clear even more salary cap space As expected, the Raiders released veteran defensive backs Chris Johnson and Hiram Eugene. The moves save the Raiders approximately $6 million in salary cap space for 2012. It’s conceivable that one or both players will be re-signed before the s… [...]
March 9th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Yeah. Media hype mangers are torn right now. Loving the Manning story but pooping themselves over the potential loss of Tebow hype.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Teblow mania we re-emerge somewhere else for a short time.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Per Glazer:
Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks. Story coming on fox sports dot com
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Wow. I thought it would be the Browns. Very interesting.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Anyone know Kellys cap hit for 2012?
March 9th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Redskins paying a high price to get a shot at RGIII…
March 9th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall… fb.me/Q2ydwWXu
March 9th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Way to go Lakers, nice win
March 9th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Wow, rat face is going to be allowed to ruin rgiii? Bummer
March 9th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Skins get #2 pick for 2 1st round picks and a 2nd.
RGIII for 2 firsts and a 2nd
March 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Redskins have traded their first-rounder this year, 1s in ‘13 and ‘14, plus second-rounder this year to Rams for the second overall pick.
……..
WOW… 3 FIRST and a 2nd
March 9th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Rat face is doing whatever he can to find the next horseface
March 9th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
or well, swapping this year’s first round… so really getting 2 1st and a 2nd
March 9th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Redskins were told Manning didn’t want to go to the NFC.
I was worried that the Broncos would land Manning, and I may be crazy, but I am no longer worried. Let them sign him. It may, in the end, be good for the Raiders, to have to face a good QB in Denver (that, and believe it or not, I think Tebow would always give us trouble no matter how badly he throws the ball.)
Having a top-notch qb as an opponent helps the adversary get better…that, and even if Manning is healthy, he won’t be playing for the Broncos for several years the way a young qb would.
I was actually worried that Denver could have landed RG3.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Redskins lock up #2 pick in upcoming draft – 3 1st round picks + a second. RG3 better be worth all that.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
wasbanned Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Skins get #2 pick for 2 1st round picks and a 2nd.
RGIII for 2 firsts and a 2nd
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NOT 2 1st rounders but 3 1st rounders + a second. Makes our CP trade look pretty good.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Manning will end up in Miami. He’s a southern boy who will stay in the south.
March 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
I still think Manning might want to locate in warm weather territory…and Larry Fitz will look very good to him.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
JB Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Redskins lock up #2 pick in upcoming draft – 3 1st round picks + a second. RG3 better be worth all that.
I know right? I just saw that from Schefter…talk about mortgaging your future!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
# edward teach Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Kerry Collins can get 10 more chances, JR surely deserves one.
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Then why hasn’t he gotten it?
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Damn good question! I suspect the bogus Vicks 44 allegeations leveled at him cost him him shot with the Bengals and Jets in 2010. Toward the end of the year, he got a look from the Redskins, who didn’t end up signing anyone. With no offseason in 2011 during the lockout, there was a glut of free agents that signed late and he probably got lost in the shuffle. Lots of bad luck for this dude. Too bad he doesn’t have an Ernie Acorsi, who was great friends with Joe Paterno, hand him a job like he did for Collins in NY. We’ll see what happens in 2012. If he really wants to make a comeback, and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t, he’ll get another shot.
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Bogus load of crap.
NFL teams are billion dollar operations that will do virtually anything to win in an extremely competetive environment. This means that they have the resources to check out anything and everything about a player before making a move to sign him. Those “bogus Vicks 44 allegations” would have been checked out, analyzed and then checked out again before anyone made a move. So would the stories coming out of Oakland that his work ethic was laughable and that his attitude was not that of an NFL player.
If any or most of that was proven to be groundless he would be on an NFL roster right now.
“lost in the shuffle?” Stop lying to yourself. At some point you have to realize that Jamarcus sank his own boat, that he was the only one that could dredge it up, and he couldn’t bring himself to do it.
I and others supported the heck out of this guy. Too bad he didn’t care enough to put in the work, because if you are a good player the Nation will love you forever. Steal from Al, however, and it’s a different story.
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Ja Dummass got exactly what he deserved. There were rumors about him and the purple long before his arrest. He is a lazy arrogant slob. Showed up out of shape and overweight, slept through meetings and in his 3rd year didn’t know the complete playbook.
No team will ever take a chance on him.
He’ll die broke and weighing 450 lbs.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
THINK THEY SWAPPED 1ST ROUNDERS THIS YEAR..
March 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I’d like to see us pick up Charles Woodson and FA and move him to FS. He’d be a great ball hawk – Our version of Troy Polamalu.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Did u guys know that Non from superman II plays center for the timberwolves!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Wow, Redskins paying a helluva lot for RGIII. I thought that would’ve been the price for Luck, who I consider a significantly better prospect.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Rams made out there. They’d be wise to trade down again if possible to a spot the can still get Michael Floyd.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Actually, rgIII rolling out in rat faces offense might be unstoppable.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Teams give up 1st round picks all the time. And then teams even mortgage for their picks, like Washington. Its the business. So what is the big deal what we did for Palmer? It was the right thing to do at the time. So really, we got a proven vet when teams like Washington are rolling the dice. We did that before, so that kind of stuff happens. So no more crying bout the CP3 deal. Palmer is legit and when we go deep into the post season this year, people be whistling a different tune. Just say no to ground beef.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Biggest trade since the gruden trade!
How did al Schyt that deal away? Blowing those picks is probably the main reason we have sucked for a decade!
March 9th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Dakota Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Actually, rgIII rolling out in rat faces offense might be unstoppable.
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No way. He hasn’t even taken a snap yet. They’ll expect too much too soon.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
We sucked for a decade because the super bowl loss was too much to bear. Very devestating and painful, couldn’t shake it.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
March 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
LOL at the Redskins.
Yeah, that probably isn’t going to work out so well.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I am willing to bet, the Redskins 2013 1st rounder will be a top 6 pick.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Hopefully this trade will silence all the morons who think we paid some ridiculous price for Palmer. It’s a QB league and you either have to get lucky or pay a big price to get a good one.
The Palmer acquisition is one of the best things to happen to the Raiders in a long time.
March 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Broncos lb dj Williams banned for 6 games next year. Ha ha
March 9th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Code black
March 9th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Code Black!!!!! With blaring sirens an flashing lights!!!!!!!!!
Go Raiders 2012!!!!!! It’s gonna be a good one!!!!!!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Dumb trade by the Redskins.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
All predictions of Wimbley being cut by Friday are coming to a close.
Not sure what Reg has in mind for this one.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Cut Wimbley, TK, and Henderson.
Sign Mario and T Porter.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Rams scored. Redskins are going to get a hell of a qb. it’s a win / win. Move on.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
#140
Agreed. Palmer himself will prove it to the doubters.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Holy sh_t did the skins really give up 3 1st round picks? Not even AL (RIP) would do that.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Well, I take that back, maybe AL(RIP) would do that.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Code black with sirens & flashing lights.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Raider Nation-Station
NOW!~ 03-09-12: WHY MANNING WON’T BE A BRONCO
Rings are more important than dollar signs…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
March 9th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
140. Agreed.
Have a good week end!
March 9th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
I’m glad Curry restructured his contract. Move him to SLB (2 down LB), and add a WLB.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I like RG a lot, but I don’t think any rookie is worth THREE 1st RD picks & a 2nd RD pick.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
The Skins have a good defense, but that team needs more help on offense. They need WRs & OL.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Wimbleys gone baby gone. Had splashes but then disappeared for the length of a bible.
Thats always been his M.O.
Once or twice a season he comes across an injured or slow LT and has multiple sacks to pad his stats.
Think we’ll be ok without him.
It hurt to see a guy getting double digit millions get scorched by Tebow like that.
Moss did it too but hes not getting paid Wimbley money.
We’ll cut Wimbley, let someone else figure out what we already know.
MIllions in the teens are alot to pay for that one dip move.
Have a good week end Nation!~
March 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Mistic “The Stupid Idiot” and Raider “Dweeb-o”, you guys have to be the biggest retards I have ever had the displeasure of seeing on any blog.
Debo, you stick up for a loser like Jamarcus when 99.9% of the free world counts him as the biggest bust in sports history. It shows how low of an IQ you must have when you look up to and admire a total loser like Jamarcus.
Between the two of you inbred imbeciles you have failed to ever make anything resembling a coherent or valid thought.
We are all worse people for having ever read anything you’ve ever posted.
I award the both of you zero points and god have mercy on your miserable souls.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Glad to see Hiram Eugene and CJ finally cut, never did think those two were great players. Need to cut Wimbley, Henderson, and TK. Henderson injured too often, Wimbley not worth the money, TK not worth the money and can not stuff the run. Use the money to get Frankin, T Porter and couple of other LBs and maybe Jacobs. We need a true NT to help stuff the run.
March 9th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Hopefully this trade will silence all the morons who think we paid some ridiculous price for Palmer. It’s a QB league and you either have to get lucky or pay a big price to get a good one.
The Palmer acquisition is one of the best things to happen to the Raiders in a long time.
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Ditto – what Chris said!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
#160,
Double ditto.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I wanted us to draft JR or Calvin Johnson, but I wanted JR more. When he was overweight at the combine and camp, I didn’t care, and I compared him to Big Ben saying he doesn’t have to a great athlete to play QB. JR gave up on himself. He was more interested in drinking that crap, and being a celebrity in his home town.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
How about the deal they are giving Sanchez?
Geez.
All that $ for…….THAT???
March 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I still own a # 2 jersey.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
164.Raider O Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I still own a # 2 jersey.
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Ha. I know what you’re thinking; it might be worth something someday right?
March 9th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
How do u give up THAT MUCH for this RG3 guy?
THREE (3) # 1’s AND a # 2?
Dan Snyder makes Al Davis look like a miser.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Funny how some on here keep harping on Palmer being “over the hill” at 32 (just turned in Dec.) etc. etc. etc. but everyones fawning over a 36 yr. old who just had 3 neck surgeries.
I can understand the over the top praise for Manning seeing as he’s won as mnay Super Bowl’s as Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
How do u give up THAT MUCH for this RG3 guy?
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The same way you potentially give up two 1st round picks for a guy like Palmer.
If you’re a GM or head coach, and you find a player who you feel could be the future of your franchise, then you do whatever it takes to get him.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
[...] was recently released and has since found a new home in Kansas City. And today Chris Johnson was given his walking papers. Joining Johnson on the way out is safety/special teamer Hiram [...]
March 9th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Ha. I know what you’re thinking; it might be worth something someday right?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not really. I was hoping I can take the name off, and keep the jersey. I payed a lot of money for it. It’s authentic.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
# 168,
I get that, but THREE # 1’s? AND a 2?
That being said, I’m trying to find dirt on this guy and I’m coming up snake eyes.
I thought, “I wonder how he did against GOOD defenses”?
Texas had a top 5 D in the country and RGIII shredded them for 320 yds.
I gotta say, this guy might be the real deal.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
I have a vintage # 21 jersey myself.
Not Aso… Cliff Branch.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I own a 34 Bo & a 24 Charles Woodson.
March 9th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Lobo’s!!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Ooooh.
I like the #34. Very cool.
I have a bunch of LA Raider t-shirts and a hat in my collection as well. I found it in a bag I had saved in the attic.
One has Bo, Howie Long and Jim Plunkett on it with Al Davis’s profile looming over them.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Aaaron Curry and Aaron Maybin(NY JETS)…comeback players on the year! AC was a beast out there,hustling on every play and wrecking havoc.At the Denver game the refs threw a very questionable personal foul on him as Tebow was running out of bounds.
Who knows, Wimbley could be restructuring.If not,”wave him bye bye”…
I was done with Eugene when he got “knocked the eff out” on a stiff arm by I think Ray Rice the last time Baltimore was in Oakland.The game was still in question until that run.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Wow. Snyder at it again with blowing his wad to draft RG3. Bad trade for the Skins!
The Rams are set now! They will draft Blackmon for Bradford and then add a backup RB to eventually take over for Jackson and then build the defense.
Dirty Sanchez gets extension worth 40 million?? hahaha
Bad move Jets!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
how about trading our third pick next year for freemon?
March 9th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
One has Bo, Howie Long and Jim Plunkett on it with Al Davis’s profile looming over them.
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That is special dude. Real nice.
My favorite T is from the last SB. It had the entire roster on the back, and the shield with the 3 SB trophies behind it.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
….trophies behind it on the front.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
So much for the notion the Jets were looking to sign Campbell. They must have been thinking backup cause Campbell would have been MUCH cheaper than what they just paid Sanchez.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Jets, wtf?
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Cambells a backup
March 9th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Indy in full rebuild mode.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Jets missed thier chance, they are an afterthought now
March 9th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Cambells a backup
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Obviously.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
much like the chargers
March 9th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Redskins….. Worst deal since you sold the east coast for beads & firewater..
March 9th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
186. Some of these guys swear by him..
March 9th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Manning going to Miami, Houston or Arizona….in that order. All of those teams have true #1 WR’s and all of those teams can add Wayne and or even Clark now as well.
Especially Miami.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Yeah, Indy has gutted the team is completely starting all over.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
186. Some of these guys swear by him..
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Yeah, we have a few in here that have deluded themselves into thinking Campbell is something special. Good thing they have no say whatsoever in what the team does.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Three #1’s? Are you kidding me?!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I think denver is the frontrunner.. Best team, and ownership + easy division..
March 9th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
This Redskins trade ranks up there with the Miami Ricky Williams trade.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
@158
I strongly agree “Mista da supa idiot” is a a class A lame
March 9th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Denver’s D.J. Williams suspended for 6 games for “non-human” urine. What was it, mutant urine?
March 9th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Here’s a post from a Redskin message board:
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To say the least, I absolutely LOVE this news.
Best news I’ve heard as a Redskins fan in a long time.
If he comes in and is a franchise QB, then this is a BARGAIN!
Love this move. Love it. Go Bruce Allen! Go Shanahan!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Wouldnt sanchez have signed for half that price?
March 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
#198 – one of the few that thinks it’s a good trade for them.
In ESPN’s poll, even D.C. thinks the Redskins gave up too much.
March 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
158. I award you zero points, ha
March 9th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Reg must think something will change with kam cause its taking forever to move him..
March 9th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
@ 201
And I will award you a better hair cut mark
March 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Campbell is the black Joe Montana.
Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 9th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
I really dont think Mark sanchez is worth 40 million. How much was garinteed
March 10th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Miami is the front runner for Manning and Wayne!
March 10th, 2012 at 12:04 am
@206
Ya I’m with you on that. Solid Defense, stud wide reciever, and imagine what peyton would do with a weapons like reggie bush.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Jets still have one of the best defensive coaches in the game, Rex Ryan. Mark Sanchez, when focused, is pro bowl caliber. The Jets aren’t finished. And I actually admire them sticking with their hand. Sanchez must have showed them in someway that he realizes last year was a wake up call. I’m looking for the Jets to be on the top tier this year.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Mark Sanchez is not pro bowl caliber
March 10th, 2012 at 12:14 am
“I restructured my contract because I was born a Christfilled Raider! I’m excited to be able to Glorify God and build His Kingdom w/ the best Franchise ever!!! #TEAMJESUS #RaiderMentality #RaiderMentality”
And so tweeted Raiders linebacker Aaron Curry. The numbers weren’t available but this move should push the team under the salary cap. Curry was on the books for $5.75 million next season.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Thank you Mr. Chris Johnson & Mr. Eugene for being a player of the Raider Nation. Thank you for keeping your faith in Jesus through your family tragedy.
I hope you both are able to recover 100% from your injuries and return to the Raiders.
Thank you Curry for faith and commitment to the team.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Da Trinity Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Mark Sanchez is not pro bowl caliber
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You do realize Tebow went to the pro-bowl this year?Sanchez is better than Tebow.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:19 am
212. But tebow had jesus
March 10th, 2012 at 12:24 am
204.da trinity Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Campbell is the black Joe Montana.
Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are you joking or just too high???
March 10th, 2012 at 12:28 am
CJ and Eugene should be cut. Both contributed little last season. The sad thing, and I commented on this at the time, is that CJ should have bucked up when his sister was murdered by her baby’s daddy, and continued to play. He knew with whom his sister associated.
Now CJ will never be picked up by another team, and if he is he’ll last a year and be cut. In 4 or 5 more years, just like McClain, he’ll be living under an overpass in his car dead broke.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:30 am
210.GG Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:14 am
“I restructured my contract because I was born a Christfilled Raider! I’m excited to be able to Glorify God and build His Kingdom w/ the best Franchise ever!!! #TEAMJESUS #RaiderMentality #RaiderMentality”
And so tweeted Raiders linebacker Aaron Curry. The numbers weren’t available but this move should push the team under the salary cap. Curry was on the books for $5.75 million next season.
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Can we cut Curry too ???? $4M per season for him…..way not worth it. With just that kind of talk alone he should be shat-canned.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Payton is gonna be in st louis, payton and larry?!? Unstopable. Bye bye kolb
March 10th, 2012 at 12:38 am
What’s wrong with what curry tweeted atleast happy abPir restructuring n happy to be a Raider
March 10th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Need Dmac For 16 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Payton is gonna be in st louis, payton and larry?!? Unstopable. Bye bye kolb
St louis lol.. U meant Arizona? Yup if Payton is same as per injury then that’s a scary combo but they got no Oline
March 10th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Manning will remain on the east coast where it is warm. You think he would come to KC or Denver ? Crazy…..
If he did, our re-vamped defense can grab Manning while he’s dancing on the LOS, barking and churning, changing plays; one LB blows through the line, early, before the snap, up-ends Manning and head plants him very violent.
See ya Peyton !!!
March 10th, 2012 at 12:47 am
See: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/around-the-nfl-qbs-and-bounties/
As Florio pointed out on the video segment, players who restructure only means they’re taking all their money right now, and thus taking a minimum salary for the following years. This ends up taking all that money out of the salary cap. It doesn’t mean players taking a pay cut unless they specifically agreed to re-do their contract to take less guaranteed money, which is a rarer thing.
Eg: Say, Palmer with 30M guaranteed owing over the next 3 years as say 12M in 2012, 11M in 2013, 7M in 2014….all those numbers would be a cap hit for those years. But taking roughly 27M right now, say, means there isn’t anything on the cap but the minimum salary of $825,000 for 2012, $925,000 for 2013, $925,000 for 2014.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:50 am
GG,
After thousands of posts over the past few weeks regarding re-structuring of contracts, I think we posters have a good idea of what it’s all about.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Basically, we gave Palmer a whole heap of money upfront, his bank account going from 80M to 100M+, so he better up the ante with his play. Hue really hamstrung us for 3 years. I guess the same goes with Seymour and Huff and Curry, they accepted everything upfront to take a less cap hit, but I think the difference is with Wimbley, where McKenzie is trying to make him take a pay cut restructure, but he’s not interested.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:52 am
#222, wasn’t hear the last few thousand posts, so deal with it
March 10th, 2012 at 12:53 am
*here not hear haha
March 10th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Manning will sign with Arizona, bookmark it.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Hardline Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:30 am
210.GG Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:14 am
“I restructured my contract because I was born a Christfilled Raider! I’m excited to be able to Glorify God and build His Kingdom w/ the best Franchise ever!!! #TEAMJESUS #RaiderMentality #RaiderMentality”
And so tweeted Raiders linebacker Aaron Curry. The numbers weren’t available but this move should push the team under the salary cap. Curry was on the books for $5.75 million next season.
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Can we cut Curry too ???? $4M per season for him…..way not worth it. With just that kind of talk alone he should be shat-canned.
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He scored a TD v. the Lions, and punched out the goal posts, too.
Sorry, need some str8 goons on this team. Who the hell is going to replace him? we pick at 98 (if its that high for N.Asomugha’s compensatory pick)….
March 10th, 2012 at 12:55 am
And…a wild speculation….Brees didnt sign franchise tender, probably wants to flee the Saints with the sht to hit the fan soon. So a team like Browns could feasibly sign Brees as an RFA, meaning they give the Saints a 1st round pick, which the NFL strips from the Saints for bountygate.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:01 am
219. LoL yeah I meant arizona. Must be the jack daniels speaking. How bad is thier oline? If its that bad then, your right, too big of a risk for manning. they cant be worse then kc or denvers right? I heard kc put the first offer up.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Sorry GG…..didn’t realize you hadn’t been around. Of course restructing has been the main topic of conversation recently since the Raiders need to get under the cap by Tuesday of next week.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Master Beeecham Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Peemore Bust, I thought you’d still be running for the hills trying to avoid our rap battle!
Remember how fast you panicked then raised the white flag? We were having a HUGE laugh over that today at Olive Garden.
Yet another classic Bust Blunder!
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Huh? I could whip you at your own game easily. In fact I have already done it. You are not big on smarts, that is pretty clear. In fact you’re not really big on anything, really?
March 10th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Good posts gg
March 10th, 2012 at 1:06 am
Man I miss Nhamdi
March 10th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Nnamdi
March 10th, 2012 at 1:10 am
How dare I spell him name wrong!!
March 10th, 2012 at 1:17 am
233.Need Dmac for 16 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:06 am
Man I miss Nhamdi
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I wouldn’t worry Dmac, Nnamdi is having his own problems with the Eagles. Of course I’ll get scorched for this, but Nnamdi is no “shut down” corner: far from it.
Better to save the money and develop new and younger talent.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Many myths arise among the populace such as the Pentagon and Massad in fact bombed the World Trade Towers, Pentagon, and were behind 9 / 11. Somehow because has a superlative character (which he does), this was equated with Nnamdi being a “shut down corner.”
In 9 seasons Nnamdi had made only 11 INT’s, and returned 1 for a touchdown. His passes defended stats are low too.
In 8 seasons playing exclusively for the Raiders Lester Hayes made 39 INT’s, and returned 13 for touchdowns.
In 2008 Nnamdi made 6 of his total 11 INT’s. In the 8 seasons that preceeded and proceed 2006, Nnamdi made only 5 INT’s.
Hardly a “shut down corner.” There are a numerous linebackers currently playing in the NFL who have better INT and Passes Defending than Nnamdi.
In fact, Nnamdi, is a no shut-down, shut down corner.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:35 am
He had some problems, but that was mostly the eagles fault for miss using him. just for fun lets discuss cutting him and resigning routt to a huge contract. If we would have cut routt and kept Nnamdi, do we make the playoffs? Given that move saved us like 5 mil in cap space but we did use that money efficiently. Overpaid DTs and LBs
March 10th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Cant rate Nnamdi on only ints. How many games did the qb not even look Nnamdi’s way, knowing he us covered. Due to film watched. He made probowls without ANY stats. Just because coaches would always play around him. Not at him
March 10th, 2012 at 1:43 am
Hell, I’d be happy as hell to still have Nnamdi on our defense. He was flat-out avoided at all costs by opposing QBs when he was playing man. Our Secondary looked a hellova lot worse last year than in previous years when he was there.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:44 am
REDSKINS GOT ROBBED!!!
Redskins acquired the No. 2 overall pick from the Rams in exchange for three first-round picks, including No. 6 overall this year, and Washington’s 2012 second-round selection.
In order to move up to #2 in the draft they gave their #6 pick (move up 4 spaces) and their 2nd round pick this year AND their #1 pick in 2013 and 2014!
3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick to move up 4 slots!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 1:52 am
241. Cant ponder it myself. At least the whiners will have some competition
March 10th, 2012 at 1:55 am
And payton signs with arizona!! Haha they are screwed
March 10th, 2012 at 1:58 am
Rams are set for the next 5 years
March 10th, 2012 at 2:01 am
That is a great deal that St Louis is getting out of Shannahan.
They’re set at QB so they just exchange 1st round picks with Washington(2nd for 6th) and get two future 1st’s and one 2nd.
That’s a really good deal for the Rams.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:04 am
4.No Mas Diamante Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
nice. now call P. Manning and see if he’d like to be a part of the silver and black.
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What the hell for? We already have a really good veteran QB in Palmer.
You want to bring in a guy who’s had four operations on his neck and is 36?
March 10th, 2012 at 3:17 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:44 am
REDSKINS GOT ROBBED!!!
Redskins acquired the No. 2 overall pick from the Rams in exchange for three first-round picks, including No. 6 overall this year, and Washington’s 2012 second-round selection.
In order to move up to #2 in the draft they gave their #6 pick (move up 4 spaces) and their 2nd round pick this year AND their #1 pick in 2013 and 2014!
3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick to move up 4 slots!!!
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This was the best the Redskins could do. Getting a top flight QB that can lead your team for 12 – 15 years makes the deal a necessity. THe only way you get an elite QB for the long-term is through the draft and most of time the top tier of 1st round.
Better to have the young QB that can give you 12 years then constantly switching out QBs every 2 to 3 years.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:27 am
If Terrelle Pryor can get his head out of his azz the Raiders could have a Newton/Griffin on their hands for a bargain 3rd round cost.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:38 am
245.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:01 am
That is a great deal that St Louis is getting out of Shannahan.
They’re set at QB so they just exchange 1st round picks with Washington(2nd for 6th) and get two future 1st’s and one 2nd.
That’s a really good deal for the Rams.
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Maybe Shanahan brought in Hue Jackson to negotiate this deal for the Redskins.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:41 am
Jay Glazer says that the Rams got two 1st round picks and a 2nd, not three 1st picks.
They’re singing in St Louis.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Is Spuds cutting Palmer, Seymour, Bush or DMC!? No he rather hang on to these losers. Make the right the decision and CUT THEM!
March 10th, 2012 at 5:24 am
Total Snyder PR move to sell seats. RG3 I think will be as good as Vick at some point but not elite. Plus they have major problems elsewhere.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:42 am
Bush is a FA and your an dummy. Have to have someone to play on Sundays. Agree, not to sure about Deymour deal.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:57 am
Dmac+Brandon Jacobs= Thunder & Lighting
But….
Brandon Jacobs + Twain Jones + Dmac= Earth Wind & Fire
Get it done Reggie
March 10th, 2012 at 6:02 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:41 am
Jay Glazer says that the Rams got two 1st round picks and a 2nd, not three 1st picks.
They’re singing in St Louis.
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SI’s reporting three first-rounders and a second. Either way, what a haul for the Rams. Hopefully they don’t waste it like they wasted the Dickerson haul a generation ago.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/09/rams.redskins.trade.ap/index.html
March 10th, 2012 at 6:07 am
davidon Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:24 am
Total Snyder PR move to sell seats. RG3 I think will be as good as Vick at some point but not elite. Plus they have major problems elsewhere.
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Does that mean that Andrew Luck will be as good as Joey Harrington at some point? Both QBs played in the PAC 10?
SMH
March 10th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Each player in his own man. Comparisons to other people are way too simplistic.
Personality, work ethic, coaching, nutrition, mental strength, injury……parenting..
All sorts of variables..that simply saying….oh, he looks like “so-and-so”..so let me give him the grade of the comparative guy.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Each player “is” his own man..
But let me extend that a bit…each individual is his or her own person
March 10th, 2012 at 6:12 am
brandon jacobs is not the answer. he is very similar to bush where he had difficulty getting that tough 1 or 2 yds .
March 10th, 2012 at 6:23 am
RG III career record on the road 5-11, including 1-3 last year.
He has only 7 career wins against bowl eligible teams.
Quite the haul for a guy without much big game experience.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:24 am
I’m excited to be able to Glorify God and build His Kingdom w/ the best Franchise ever!!!
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LOL……this guy is infinitely worse than Tebow with his bible thumping.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:25 am
No to Brandon Jacobs! If you are not going to commit to Michael Bush, who is the best option available for a power runner of his type, you are gambling on structuring your offense more toward the West coast mentality. Jacobs is not the answer. It seems like Raiders are trying to bank on a healthy Run DMC – I’d like to see the addition of a Michael Tolbert type through free agency, though.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:30 am
According to a little research, RG III has played almost 75% of his career games in the state of Texas (only 9 career games outside of Texas, and only 2 career games outside of his time zone), including both his bowl games.
Lots of on-the-job training for RG III, and you know the Skins are going to throw him in there immediately.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
#261:
As long as he can back up his talk with his play, he can say whatever the F#$% he pleases — if not, keep mouth shut and bust heads — God will understand …
March 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Rather go after tolbert than jacobs and bush wants to start and that wont happen here as long as DMac is on the roster. Hopefully DMC is healthy for a full season. That would benefit Palmer
March 10th, 2012 at 6:32 am
I don’t agree with retaining either Seymour or Wimbley. Okay guys – time to prove me wrong. I would be more than happy to come back at the end of the season and say, okay – you’re the geniuses and I’m not – but I got a bad feeling about this!
March 10th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 6:24 am
I’m excited to be able to Glorify God and build His Kingdom w/ the best Franchise ever!!!
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LOL……this guy is infinitely worse than Tebow with his bible thumping.
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LOL, Reggie White bible thumped a lot and kicked ass for a decade…NOT A PROBLEM
March 10th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Raidertbone Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
#261:
As long as he can back up his talk with his play, he can say whatever the F#$% he pleases — if not, keep mouth shut and bust heads — God will understand …
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and the Raider Nation said…AMEN.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
What would benefit Palmer most is a healthy DMac, a healthy Ford, a healthy Taiwan, a stable offensive line (that doesn’t get penalized every other play), a little more reliability out of Boss, steady development of Ausberry, a few moire catches by DHB, and getting rid of glass Schillens — oh, a little more practice time out of #3 wouldn’t hurt either!
March 10th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Raidertbone Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
What would benefit Palmer most is a healthy DMac, a healthy Ford, a healthy Taiwan, a stable offensive line (that doesn’t get penalized every other play), a little more reliability out of Boss, steady development of Ausberry, a few moire catches by DHB, and getting rid of glass Schillens — oh, a little more practice time out of #3 wouldn’t hurt either!
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Maybe we need one more back if DMac goes down…. a bellcow type you can feed and could avg 5 per carry…what makes Bush so good is he could break it down the field every now and then – what a missed opportunity , if this guy blows up – I say throw some cash at Ben Jarvus^Green Ellis…
maybe Jackie Battle., Mike Tolbert..or Kahlil Bell…there is nobody with that same skill set, other than Brandon Jacobs in free agency – losing Bush is definitely going to be the biggest loss.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:44 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/3/9/2858701/raiders-aaron-curry-working-diligently-on-new-deal
This is the type of players we need on the team! I don’t think he’s the best, but I’ll take him.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:45 am
Raiders WLB Aaron Curry has agreed to a contract restructuring that should keep him in Oakland in 2012.
Curry likely turned a large portion of his $5.8 million base salary into incentives, giving him the ability to earn it all back if he plays well in 2012. It will be the final year of Curry’s contract. After coming over from Seattle before the 2011 trade deadline, Curry started nine games. Pro Football Focus graded him positively in run defense, but poorly in pass coverage.
Source: Aaron Curry on Twitter
March 10th, 2012 at 6:47 am
250.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:41 am
Jay Glazer says that the Rams got two 1st round picks and a 2nd, not three 1st picks.
They’re singing in St Louis.
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That’s nothing.I’ve a workmate who’s a Rams fan.He’ll be doing back flips.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:48 am
LOL, Reggie White bible thumped a lot and kicked ass for a decade…NOT A PROBLEM
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OL used to hear him say “here comes Jesus” before the snap.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:51 am
A scandal in the making?? The NFL’s hope for a squeaky clean image is not having a good offseason if this is true…
Broncos WLB D.J. Williams plans to appeal his six-game suspension on the grounds that the NFL alleges he provided a “non-human specimen” in replace of a routine drug test.
“We proved — conclusively — at the NFL hearing on this matter that the NFL and its specimen collector wholly failed in their duties to safeguard and process my specimen properly,” Williams said. “In fact, the specimen collector was fired by the NFL after compromising my specimen as well as others’.” If Williams’ claims are correct, he may be able to get off the hook, after all. Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
March 10th, 2012 at 6:53 am
It looks like Washington did give up 3 first rounders, not 2.
1st(6th overall) & 2nd this year, 1st in 2013 & 2014, to move up 4 spots!
Shanahan is doing his best Josh McDaniels impression!!
March 10th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Wimbley will get cut, move Curry to SLB, add a WLB from the draft or FA. He can compete with Goethel. I like S Spence from Miami.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:57 am
That’s crazy. No rookie is worth that many 1st RD picks IMO.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Non-human specimen ?
March 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am
If Peyton signs with the donks then we def need to get a FA CB because we all remember what happend to DVD in preseason with brees image what peyton would do
March 10th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Peyton should look at the quality of life he has now and retire.
March 10th, 2012 at 7:25 am
I was thinking the same thing. He has set the bar high, he is one of the greatest ever. It wouls be a shame for one big hit to tragically end a stellar career. Don’t need to see a Peyton Hawking
March 10th, 2012 at 7:37 am
swapped first round picks this year. only gave up two ones and a two. still a coupe for the Lambs.
March 10th, 2012 at 7:45 am
251..you wanna cut Seymour , Palmer , Bush and DMC?… Wow…. Sorry to hear about your brain damage…
March 10th, 2012 at 7:46 am
I have never thought both Luck and RG III, were much better prospects than Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford.
Luck kind of bombed in his big games last year against USC and Orgeon, and RG III has never really played in any big games, other than one home game against an Oklahoma team that lost their next game by 5 touchdowns.
Both the Big 12 and Pac 12 play zero defense.
I think both will have a MUCH harder time transitioning to the NFL game than people seem to think.
There will be no Andy Dalton-Cam Newton level success next year with these two.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:09 am
dcraiderfan Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Is Spuds cutting Palmer, Seymour, Bush or DMC!? No he rather hang on to these losers. Make the right the decision and CUT THEM!
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Obvious troll is obvious.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Colts should have made that trade instead of Rams. They could have signed Campbell and drafted a QB with a later pick. I suppose they still could.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Mark Clemens Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Colts should have made that trade instead of Rams. They could have signed Campbell and drafted a QB with a later pick. I suppose they still could.
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No way. Franchise QB’s are few and far between. If one falls into your lap, you don’t turn him down.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am
RaiderDuck Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Mark Clemens Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Colts should have made that trade instead of Rams. They could have signed Campbell and drafted a QB with a later pick. I suppose they still could.
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No way. Franchise QB’s are few and far between. If one falls into your lap, you don’t turn him down.
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You mean like Jamarcus?
March 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I kind of hope RGIII is a huge bust now. Then people will forget about Jamarcus.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Mark Clemens Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am
RaiderDuck Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Mark Clemens Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Colts should have made that trade instead of Rams. They could have signed Campbell and drafted a QB with a later pick. I suppose they still could.
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No way. Franchise QB’s are few and far between. If one falls into your lap, you don’t turn him down.
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You mean like Jamarcus?
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Different situations.
Even at the time he was drafted, JaMarcus was considered a “boom or bust” prospect.
Luck, on the other hand, is considered pretty surefire. A lot of drafniks are saying the last two QBs graded that highly were Peyton and Elway.
Irsay remembers the Colts’ pathetic, decades-long QB carousel between Bert Jones and Peyton. He does NOT want to repeat that, and I can’t blame him either.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:04 am
4.No Mas Diamante Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
nice. now call P. Manning and see if he’d like to be a part of the silver and black.
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What the hell for? We already have a really good veteran QB in Palmer.
You want to bring in a guy who’s had four operations on his neck and is 36?
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Yes
March 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am
But RaiderDuck, according to Mistic, JC is a franchise QB.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:40 am
RG3 is going to be a great qb. Nothing like Russell.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
The QB before Manning was Harbaugh. While with the Colts, during the 1995–96 NFL playoffs he led the team to the AFC Championship game and came within one dropped Hail Mary pass of taking the Colts to the Super Bowl for the first time since 1970. In 1995, he was voted to the Pro Bowl, was named Comeback Player of the Year and AFC Player of the Year, and was runner-up in the NFL MVP voting. With the Colts, Harbaugh completed 746 of 1,230 passes for 8,705 yards and 49 touchdowns and won the NFL passer rating title in 1995 with a rating of 100.7. In January 2005, Harbaugh was inducted into the Indianapolis Colts Ring of Honor as one of the most successful and popular players in the club’s Indianapolis era.
After a last-place 3–13 record in 1997, Harbaugh was traded to the Baltimore Ravens (based in the Colts’ former home city of Baltimore, Maryland) to make room for 1st overall draft pick Peyton Manning.
From Wiki
March 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am
I just have a feeling the Redskin trade is no going to work out. It is like Daniel Snyder is trying to emulate Al Davis in his later years. He doesn’t get it at all. Has he not been following what the Patriots and Packers have been doing?
March 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
It’s Shanarats last gasp effort to remove the concensus that he only won because of Elway.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
287. Haha no fing way..
March 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Picture of Romanowski with Tebow and Tebow’s boyfriend.
https://twitter.com/#!/monicaculpepper/status/178506860918341633/photo/1
March 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am
296. How can you say the colts should have made the trade, then 4 posts later say the skins trade wont work? Same trade..
March 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Mark Clemens Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am
But RaiderDuck, according to Mistic, JC is a franchise QB.
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He’s wrong. JC is a serviceable starter, nothing more.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
If rg3 plays well its a great trade. If he breaks in two peices cause he’s 6′1. Then its not so good.. Time will tell.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Cambells a backup… Watch as nobody goves him the ball, just a clipboard..
March 10th, 2012 at 8:55 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
The QB before Manning was Harbaugh. While with the Colts, during the 1995–96 NFL playoffs he led the team to the AFC Championship game and came within one dropped Hail Mary pass of taking the Colts to the Super Bowl for the first time since 1970. In 1995, he was voted to the Pro Bowl, was named Comeback Player of the Year and AFC Player of the Year, and was runner-up in the NFL MVP voting. With the Colts, Harbaugh completed 746 of 1,230 passes for 8,705 yards and 49 touchdowns and won the NFL passer rating title in 1995 with a rating of 100.7. In January 2005, Harbaugh was inducted into the Indianapolis Colts Ring of Honor as one of the most successful and popular players in the club’s Indianapolis era.
After a last-place 3–13 record in 1997, Harbaugh was traded to the Baltimore Ravens (based in the Colts’ former home city of Baltimore, Maryland) to make room for 1st overall draft pick Peyton Manning.
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Harbaugh had a couple of good years near the end of a journeyman career. Between Jones and Peyton, the Colts were always getting either journeymen (Harbaugh, Gary Hogeboom), or prospects who never worked out (Mike Pagel, Art Schlichter, Chris Chandler, Jeff George, Craig Erickson).
Irsay knows the difference between that and a legit franchise QB. He’s not turning down Luck for all the tea in China.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am
When has Dan Snyder done anything right so far in his stint in the NFL??
March 10th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Snyder is an idiot.
No Rookie is worth that many picks. They also need help in offense. They need WRs & OL.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
297.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
It’s Shanarats last gasp effort to remove the concensus that he only won because of Elway.
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Nobody thinks Shanarat won 2 rings just because of Elway. It was because of Elway AND Terrell Davis!
March 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
On* offense
So Manning is in Denver. Why would They bring in Manning when they have a winner like Tebow aka Baby Jesus?
March 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
testing>> nut
March 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
According to NFLN, Tebow’s teammates call him Baby Jesus.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Raider O Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
On* offense
So Manning is in Denver. Why would They bring in Manning when they have a winner like Tebow aka Baby Jesus?
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Because they’re stuck in permanent Wildcat mode as long as Tebow of Nazareth is their QB, and Elway knows it.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I pray he goes south..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
If I’m 36 years old with a sore neck I’m going someplace warm. I think Miami’s got the inside track.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
But I thought Tebow was a winner. Who cares if he can throw. He is a winner.
You People……
March 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I would rather face a breaking down Peyton Manning for 2-3 years, than an improving Tebow for 7-9 years.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Irsay is just repeating good fortune for the Colts. When the Colts went 3-13 due to Harbaugh being injured and got the #1 pick, he got rid of Harbaugh just like Manning. Strictly business and retooling.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Hmmmm, anyway to get a list of banned words because I just don’t get why some of my posts aren’t displayed?
March 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
When it comes to the NFL, Dan Snyder couldn’t carry Al’s jock…another grasp by a desperate little tycoon.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
testing>> trend
March 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am
I give up…
March 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am
315. Well if peyton goes to denver u can face both.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Miami has more talent in offense than Denver, and they have a good and young defense too. The AFC east is a tough division to win with the Jets and Pats there.
I think Miami is a better option, but the AFC west is up for grabs.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am
313.ohioraider Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
If I’m 36 years old with a sore neck I’m going someplace warm. I think Miami’s got the inside track.
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Agreed. Good weapons and a stud LT.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I would rather face a breaking down Peyton Manning for 2-3 years, than an improving Tebow for 7-9 years.
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What happened to “call me crazy”? lol
You are crazy!
March 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Campbell is a first ballot hall a famer, the people who can’t see this are blind!!!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
315. Well if peyton goes to denver u can face both.
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If Peyton goes to Denver, Tebow is getting dealt.
I would offer Denver a 2013 3rd rounder for him.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
peytonis taking this ‘tour’ of facilities to drive up the price on Miami, who have to think they have an advantage with his residence there, the weather, and the tax situation. This ‘tour’ will help turn up the heat on them and get him more $$$.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Never thought it was possible for a team to pay more for a QB than the Raider’s did for Palmer. It looks like a good trade now. Good work Hue.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Would I like to face a HOF QB and one of the best QBs to ever play the game, or some hyped up RB pretending to be a QB?
Tough call.
Manning at 50% is better than Tebow now, and when he is done improving.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:19 am
326. Why deal tebow? Manning might get hurt.. A third aint shiz
March 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Manning at 50% is better than Tebow now, and when he is done improving.
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Well, look at how they both played against us.
Peyton was a tad shaky, throwing 2 picks against us, and than took a year off and had two neck surgeries.
Meanwhile, Tebow, has 4 TD’s and no picks and almost 200 yards rushing against us.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Plus peyton has a home in miami…
March 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Little Saturday humor.
University of Georgia Soccer Player Arrested.
This one is here to satisfy our Title IX post requirements, and begin our “pay the women’s soccer players” campaign. According to the Athens Banner-Herald, sophomore soccer player Carli Shultis was arrested by campus police after she was observed putting hash browns down her pants and leaving the Tate Center Bulldog Cafe. The value of the hash browns? $1.06.
Campus police, man. Wanna-be Barnie Fife took her to jail where she had to post $1,5000 bond for that $1 hash brown. Perhaps the most embarrassing aspect? It didn’t involve grits. I’m not buying this really happened in Georgia unless there was a side of grits involved as well.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
why would den trade tebow if manning comes over..? Manning could get hurt, and nobody will offer a #1 pick..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I am not at all scared of Peyton at his current state.
Even if he is at the top of his game (chances are extremely unlikely of that) it will be at best for 2-3 years.
I think there is a greater chance he hurts his neck and hangs them up, than he wins a playoff game in Denver.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
A 3rd RD pick for an option QB? A QB who can’t throw?
Pass
March 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Tebow might not last long with the hits he takes..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am
why would den trade tebow if manning comes over..? Manning could get hurt, and nobody will offer a #1 pick..
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Because that would create a weird situation, as soon as the team lost a game or two, the fans would be putting up billboards again for Tebow.
Tebow was creating a tense situation as the backup in Denver, when he hadn’t accomplished anything.
Now he just made the Pro Bowl, won the divsion and a playoff game. Him as a backup NOW, would be 10 times worse.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Meanwhile, Tebow, has 4 TD’s and no picks and almost 200 yards rushing against us.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You can’t throw picks, if you don’t throw the ball.
I don’t understand who you like him as a QB. God knows I tried.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Why* you like….
March 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am
No way manning goes to the donks. Miami has the tools to win now. And he gets to face his arch rival, Tom Brady 2x a year
March 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I don’t understand who you like him as a QB. God knows I tried.
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Because he is difficult to defend, and just won the division.
I thought he improved quite a bit, and has still started less career games than Andy Dalton.
He WILL get better, and I hope he does it in Jacksonville than our division.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
A QB that can’t throw, and can’t read and adjust to the defense doesn’t scare me. I would put 8-9 in the box, and force him to win with his arm.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Tebow completed less than 50% of his passes. You don’t think TP can do better? You don’t think TP is a better athlete who can run better than Tebow?
March 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
I thought you said this is a pass happy league. A QB that can’t complete 50% of his passes has no chance.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am
296. How can you say the colts should have made the trade, then 4 posts later say the skins trade wont work? Same trade..
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Are you dumb? The Redskins trade will work out great for Rams. Colts would be the Rams in this scenario. Go take a logic class.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
338.. Crazy talk. The fans want to win.. They know tebow isnt in peytons league..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am
331.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Manning at 50% is better than Tebow now, and when he is done improving.
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Well, look at how they both played against us.
Peyton was a tad shaky, throwing 2 picks against us, and than took a year off and had two neck surgeries.
Meanwhile, Tebow, has 4 TD’s and no picks and almost 200 yards rushing against us.
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John Marshall > Chuck B.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am
346. My bad I was getting hi
March 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I rather Face Tebow next season than Manning. I hope Manning signs with the Dolphins. If Denver keeps Tebow and they don’t bring in a solid FA, I think they will win no more than 7 games for the next few seasons or until they add a real QB. Elway and Fox are trying to get out of thisTebow Fiasco for a reason, it’s not because he is a dangerous QB who keeps improving, but it’s because they understand that they can’t continue to win with Tebow.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
But I would take a.luck over two 1sts and a 2nd any day..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I would put 8-9 in the box, and force him to win with his arm.
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You don’t think that’s what Pittsburgh did?
When a running QB is on designed runs, just the same with Vick and Newton, you actually have to have 9 in the box to have the same effect as 8 in the box normally.
Normally, you put 8 in the box, and the QB just hands it off and it is really the guy running the ball, and 8 defenders on 7 blockers. If the QB is running, than 8 in the box will have 8 blockers.
You put 9 in the box, and than you have single coverage on the outside, and hence why Tebow had the 4th highest percentage of ANY QB, of his completions being 40+ yards.
One out of 21 Tebow completions went for 40+.
Brees 1 of 42
Rodgers 1 of 26
Romo 1 of 33
Newton 1 of 34
Brady 1 of 26
Stafford 1 of 25
Big Ben 1 of 35
Rivers 1 of 45
You know who had the best % in the NFL??
Carson Palmer!!! 1 out of every 18 completions he had went for 40+
March 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am
346. My bad I was getting hi
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
March 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
The worst % of completions that went for 40+??
The newly re-minted Mark Sanchez at a dismal one out of 151 completions.
Great way to measure a QB’s ability to push the ball down the field, IMO.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Other QBs like Vick and Cam can complete 50% of their passes. They don’t miss wide open WRs less than 10 yards away.
C’mon man!
March 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Carson does throw a beautiful deep ball.
As opposed to everytime Jamarcus, Gradkowski or Soup heaved it down the field, I was AT BEST hoping for a PI call, with Carson, you damn near expect a completion.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Other QBs like Vick and Cam can complete 50% of their passes.
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Completion % is way overrated.
You got to get with the new ERA of stats. Yards and completion %, for QB’s and team defense, are our grandpa’s ways of looking at things.
You got to peel the onion back a layer or two.
Look at W-L, of course, QB rating, TD to TOTAL TURNOVERS (INT’S and Fumbles lost) ratio, QB rating by quarter and situation, etc.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Lobo’s vs the Aztecs for the MWC title tonight.
You fish-taco eating mommy’s-boys are going down O!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
You fish-taco eating mommy’s-boys are going down O!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
March 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Btw, you don’t have a chance.
Go Aztecs!!!!!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Franklin is a beast!!!
We have a good team.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
SDSU has a great team, but the Lobo’s have some of the best depth in the country.
We got this guy Demetrius Walker coming off the bench, who is like a Nate Robinson type athlete, only he is 6′2.
He will be in the NBA soon, and he comes off our bench.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am
More important than stats is watching him play. Even wins & losses are not a good indicator. I watched him play, and he misses wide open WRs all the time. The players like him, and they try their best for him, but it’s not enough. A few good plays here and there are not enough to win games regularly.
He completed over 60% of his passes once. One game he threw 15 times and completed 10 passes for 200 yards.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I have to disagree with you on CMP%.
Cam completed 60% of his passes and he threw for over 4000 yards. He had more TOs than Tebow, but he lost more games and threw more INTs, so you think Tebow is a better QB?
March 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Andy Dalton’s was over 58%, and him and Can were Rookies.
Tebow is all hype bro. I like the kid a lot, but he is doesn’t belong in this league. Not as a QB.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
He doesn’t….(no is)
March 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Cam*
Cam is a beast. He needs to take care of the ball more, but the guy has a great future. Dalton too.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am
The only reason Denver keeps Tebow is to retool the entire offense around the type of offense they can use and win with him there. The offense you use for Tebow to win and the type you use for Manning to win are two completely different things. There is NO WAY Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning exist on the same team. Unless, of course, John Elway and John Fox are idiots.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am
RGIII to Redskins kind of makes the Carson Palmer trade look like the “deal of the century”.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I would trade Carson Palmer for RG3 straight up. Dude is going to be amazing.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
O,
Completion % is not useless, it certainly is a measuring stick of sorts. But completion % can be skewed at times, and is very subject to end of game stat-padding. Same with passing yards.
W-L can’t. You can also compare W-L record under one QB, and than a W-L for the same team with another QB. QB rating can be padded at times, but not too much. Same with TD’s to turnovers.
Completion % and yards passing are like ERA and batting average in baseball. The new thing is WHIP and OPS. Much more broad picture of what a player is worth to his team.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:36 am
PFT just reported that Aaron Curry just restructered his contract.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Vegas,
If both QBs are on the same team, then I agree that W & L are a better indicator than CMP % to determine who is a better QB.
Don’t use baseball again please. I know nothing about baseball. I rather watch car racing over baseball. I rather watch a dog competion over baseball.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I like going to the batting cages. They help me relax.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
If i’m Miami i send a few of their hot latino women down the airport with a few cuban cigars to pick up Manning.
I really don’t want to see him in our division, even though his arm strentgh isn’t 100%.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Sorry, but baseball is a stats game, and the best analogy I could give.
Tebow needs to improve his completion %, no doubt about that.
But whether he completes 60% of his passes or 55%, may not be an improvement, if he is no longer completing long passes, as he did last year.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Just Win Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I would trade Carson Palmer for RG3 straight up. Dude is going to be amazing.
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I like the player as well. I am always a little wary of either corners or quarterbacks from the Big 12 tho.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I am sure there is some, but I am having a hard time coming up with some decent QB’s of late to come from the Big 12.
Bradford and McCoy still have some time to develop.
Who else?
March 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Just blog Baby reported the Curry restructure 5 hours ago. Come on PFT.
March 10th, 2012 at 10:57 am
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/10/life-on-the-nose-todays-market-for-nfl-nose-tackles/
March 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Here’s one possible scenario for the rest of the offseason:
Re-sign:
SS Tyvon Branch (long-term deal)
C Samson Satele
DL Desmond Bryant (2nd round tender)
FB Marcel Reece (2nd round tender)
Possible cuts:
OLB Wimbley, DT Kelly, DT Henderson
Possible restructured contracts:
OG Carlisle, P Lechler, WR Heyward-Bey
FA targets:
CB Brandon Carr (est. $8 mil/yr)
CB Tracy Porter (est. $3.5 mil/yr)
OT Anthony Collins (est. $1.5 mil/yr)
NT Aubrayo Franklin (est. $1.5 mil/yr)
3rd (compensatory) – LB Sean Spence, Miami
4th (compensatory) – DL Akiem Hicks, Regina
5th – FS Janzen Jackson, McNeese State
5th (compensatory) – OL Matt Reynolds, BYU
6th – RB Terrance Ganaway, Baylor
March 10th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Vegas,
Maybe we can chat some more during the game, if you are not too dressed to type.
March 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
I have nailed many of our picks the last few drafts, but tough to get real involved with this few of picks.
One name I will throw out there is Casey Hayward, DB from VAndy. Smart, tough kid, good size, position of need.
Could be a 3rd or 4th rounder.
March 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:41 am
Jay Glazer says that the Rams got two 1st round picks and a 2nd, not three 1st picks.
They’re singing in St Louis.
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SI’s reporting three first-rounders and a second. Either way, what a haul for the Rams. Hopefully they don’t waste it like they wasted the Dickerson haul a generation ago.
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Its a matter of semantics. The Rams swapped picks with the Skins AND received 2 first round picks and a 2 round pick. They gave up 1 first round pick and received 3 in return plus a 2… saying the same thing in different terms really.
March 10th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Why would Manning go to Miami. Top 5 in sacks allowed. “Oh my aching neck!”
March 10th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Why would Manning go to Miami. Top 5 in sacks allowed. “Oh my aching neck!”
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They have Long and Pouncey, and both guards are adequate. They can add a right tackle in the top 10 of the draft if they want and give Peyton one of the best olines he has ever had. Its hard to sack a guy in less than 5 seconds.
March 10th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@381
That would be a dream come true and make for a brilliant offseason.
March 10th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Peyton Manning gets rid of the ball so quick, I think he could make our O-line look amazing.
Hell, he won a Super Bowl with a 2nd year,6th round pick at LT, who played TE in college.
March 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Code black x2
March 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Code black x3
March 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Code Black with sirens and flashing lights!
March 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Vegas,
Stressed* not dressed. You can wear what ever you want.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Code Black with sirens & flashing lights!!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Sleeper pick late in the draft- Coty Sensabaugh, CB out of Clemson . Good speed, reliable hands, works hard.Could be used in nicke/dime packages and special teams.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Peyton Manning gets rid of the ball so quick, I think he could make our O-line look amazing.
Hell, he won a Super Bowl with a 2nd year,6th round pick at LT, who played TE in college.
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Credit that to Bill Polian. Polian knew what he was doing.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Here’s one possible scenario for the rest of the offseason:
Possible cuts:
OLB Wimbley, DT Kelly, DT Henderson
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Kelly ain’t going anywhere.
March 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Stressed* not dressed. You can wear what ever you want.
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LMAO
I was wondering what that meant. I was thinking, “is “dressed” like some new way of saying too wasted or something?”
March 10th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Falcons reached agreement with former Seahawks Pro Bowl LB Lofa Tatupu
March 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
373.Raider O Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Vegas,
If both QBs are on the same team, then I agree that W & L are a better indicator than CMP % to determine who is a better QB.
Don’t use baseball again please. I know nothing about baseball. I rather watch car racing over baseball. I rather watch a dog competion over baseball.
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I don’t know. Do you think Palmer deserved a “L” for that last SD game when he threw for 2 td’s and 417 yds.?
Sometimes a team (our defense for instance) is so horrible it’s not fair to pin the loss on the QB when he did everything pretty much right.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
396.Seymour Bush Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Here’s one possible scenario for the rest of the offseason:
Possible cuts:
OLB Wimbley, DT Kelly, DT Henderson
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Kelly ain’t going anywhere.
^^^^^^^^
If Kelly isn’t going anywhere, than he needs to restructure.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
This Raider team needs versatile, smart, hard working, physical BEAST type LB’s!!
March 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Sometimes a team (our defense for instance) is so horrible it’s not fair to pin the loss on the QB when he did everything pretty much right.
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Yes, with a small sample size, like 1 or 2 games, hell maybe even one season, this can be the case.
But the longer time period you are looking at, the more all that stuff evens itself out.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Here’s one possible scenario for the rest of the offseason:
Possible cuts:
OLB Wimbley, DT Kelly, DT Henderson
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Kelly ain’t going anywhere.
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Funny, if he “ain’t going anywhere” why has the coaching staff not talked with him or management tried to restructure him. If I was Kelly, I would be checking the local home listing prices and contacting a Realtor about now. Maybe KoolKell can help. LOL. The Raiders have Seymour, Houston, and Bryant at DT and a lot of money tied up in Seymour. Why would they want to tie up more money for another DT right now when he does a lot of the same things the other 3 do. We need a true NT and no one is one of those and Kelly is the odd one out because he expensive and represents a cap savings more than Houston or Bryant. Henderson I would assume will also be released by Tuesday.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Tommy Kelly was on that D last season.
I have a problem with anybody and everybody associated with that POS defense.
Schaughnessy gets a pass cuz he wasn’t out there in 2011.
The more people we keep from that D the less happy it makes me.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Out of Wimbley, Kelly and Henderson the Raiders need Wimbley the most but his contract is terrible for the team according to the details given so far.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
With Kelly there may be some teams that would want to pick up his contract that need DT help. We might be able to actually trade him unlike the other two.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RASTA GANJA 2012 TOUR HEATING UP, WORD
Yo blog homies / internet goobers
Last night’s VIP-only Hotel Suite Pajama Jam was off the chizzle! Packed the room with fly shorties who were getting sensual on each other’s privates to the beat of the cool island rhythms.
Your boy The Beach Dawg played the whole show with a pitched tent. But this tent was double the size of a normal tent (because of the size of my weiner, get it)
More news on my package – broke through 3 jock straps during the show. Gonna have to find a new sponsor because Bike just doesn’t have payload I require (again, because of the size of my weiner)
After the set the crowd was hype so we decided to take the after party back to the hotel.
But since we were already at the hotel, we just started partying serious.
Had a couple great talks with major industry reps who wanted to score some weed. Oh yeah and they also said they loved Rasta Ganja.
I’m guessing we’ll be signed by Tuesday at the latest.
That’s WHUT UP
I’ll take questions now and, even though we’re partying at the pool and I’ve gotta change into ANOTHER jock strap, fire away!
REGGAE MO SWIZZLE WITH JAM MASTA JAY
March 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Yo Beecham, last night I went to $1 theater with my boys to watch Mission impossible and hit my crib early. Today man I am jamming down to get my brakes fixed and checking out the Radas in the waiting room pirating someones wi-fi and will get to bed early to go to Church Sunday. Dude your posts sound as boring to me as this post sounds to you! Major difference is my post is mostly true!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Have u seen this Brittney Griner from Baylor?
This guy can play.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Yo Beecham, last night I went to $1 theater with my boys to watch Mission impossible and hit my crib early. Today man I am jamming down to get my brakes fixed and checking out the Radas in the waiting room pirating someones wi-fi and will get to bed early to go to Church Sunday. Dude your posts sound as boring to me as this post sounds to you! Major difference is my post is mostly true!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your question, AutumnWind. I get this one a lot.
Not knowing how to party reggae style is not something to be ashamed of.
Sure, you’re living a boring life now, but you can turn that whole thing around with a little help from the “Rasta Party Masta” (patent pending) Beach Dawg.
Come out to our super exclusive show tonight at an upscale, classy seafood restaurant in San Diego.
Wire $115 per ticket (minus parking) and your life will be changed by Rasta Ganja’s cool island vibes. That’s a Beach Diggity Dawg guarantee!
IRIE 4 SHO, MON
March 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I think that if they were going to waive or restructure TK, that would have been done already.
McKenzie doesn’t seem like the type that is going to scramble last minute on things.
But there could be the trade potential, but that wouldn’t happen (if it were to happen) until probably draft weekend.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Jerry and Steve are on Vaca?
Curry restructured yesterday and still no word?
Raiders extend Curry by one season
Raiders signed WLB Aaron Curry to a one-year contract extension.
It’s purely a cap maneuver, as Curry’s $5.76 million 2012 salary will now be split over the next two seasons. Curry would have been released were he not open to an “extension.”
Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter Mar 10 – 2:22 PM
March 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Master
How about I show the addresses of the $1 theaters and fly fishing streams in the West. It is awesome that the Raiders have such a diverse fan base! I did not say my life was boring but boring to you. Getting wasted and having hangovers and STDs is boring to me. Been there did that have the T shirt thanks but no thanks.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
412.r8eray Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Jerry and Steve are on Vaca?
Curry restructured yesterday and still no word?
Raiders extend Curry by one season
Raiders signed WLB Aaron Curry to a one-year contract extension.
It’s purely a cap maneuver, as Curry’s $5.76 million 2012 salary will now be split over the next two seasons. Curry would have been released were he not open to an “extension.”
Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter Mar 10 – 2:22 PM
^^^^^^^
Good…but this team still needs a vet LB thru free agency to push McClain and Curry and add another two through the draft.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
So we got two years of Curry for the previous price of one?
Awesome!!!
That counts as a paycut in my eyes, and a well deserved one at that.
Still not sure if he will be a full-time starter.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I think that if they were going to waive or restructure TK, that would have been done already.
McKenzie doesn’t seem like the type that is going to scramble last minute on things.
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Some moves were just made yesterday, and we’re still waiting to hear what Wimbley’s fate will be. More moves are coming, for sure. For one, Henderson sure as hell won’t be making $4 million next season.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Tribute to Master Beecham, aka Capt Stubing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGoVrSCIRpw
enjoy
March 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I would love to see this team sign Solial or Franklin, but I think they may go with a young 2 gapper NT type in middle rounds of draft.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I think that if they were going to waive or restructure TK, that would have been done already.
McKenzie doesn’t seem like the type that is going to scramble last minute on things.
But there could be the trade potential, but that wouldn’t happen (if it were to happen) until probably draft weekend.
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If RM has something of value why would he release it when he can trade it. By getting under the cap he buys time to engineer a trade. Wimbley and Henderson contracts have no trade value so I expect them to be gone. I will be surprised to see TK at training camp considering how bad he was against the run and the overlap we have already.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I would love to see this team sign Solial or Franklin, but I think they may go with a young 2 gapper NT type in middle rounds of draft.
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If they really want to be an effective 3/4 team they would have to get someone like Solial or Franklin. I don’t think a 5th round rookie is going to make it for us.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Kelly is not good versus the run at all and that has been obvious for quite sometime.
He gets stood up way to often and once he is engaged and stood up on a running play….he is useless.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Kelly can’t disengage fast enough versus the run.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
If RM has something of value why would he release it when he can trade it. By getting under the cap he buys time to engineer a trade. Wimbley and Henderson contracts have no trade value so I expect them to be gone. I will be surprised to see TK at training camp considering how bad he was against the run and the overlap we have already.
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The problem with that is if there is no takers for TK’s services via trade.
Than we have to eat the contract AND THE SALARY CAP ROOM, if there is zero intention of him coming to camp.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Wimbley and Kelly should be moved on. Get the cap cleared to get a free agent or two…and be able to make better moves next year.
Wimbley is NOT a top tier pass rusher. TK can’t play the run worth shhhhh.
Those guys are paid like ELITE talent….hardly measure up as they are not complete players.
Both of these guys have had plenty of opportunity to earn their way. Al Davis put a lot of trust in these guys.
Clean house Reggie!
March 10th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
The only time Kelly makes a running play is if he penetrates – that is his problem.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Not sure when bonuses and salaries kick in with TK’s contract. That would be the true deadline.
March 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Kelly is not good versus the run at all and that has been obvious for quite sometime.
He gets stood up way to often and once he is engaged and stood up on a running play….he is useless.
Kelly can’t disengage fast enough versus the run and then when that happens…the LB’s don’t fill the right gap or get washed.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:44
Master
How about I show the addresses of the $1 theaters and fly fishing streams in the West. It is awesome that the Raiders have such a diverse fan base! I did not say my life was boring but boring to you. Getting wasted and having hangovers and STDs is boring to me. Been there did that have the T shirt thanks but no thanks.
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Autumn, if you’ve suffered from STDs its most likely because of the quality of condom you trust.
The Beach Dawg always puts his faith in Magnums to protect his award winning weiner dog.
If you don’t fit into one – and most men don’t, he he – try inserting a frozen Twix bar next to your hog.
This will give you the confidence and rigidity you’re looking for PLUS a little extra ribbed pleasure for her.
Oh yeah and be sure to play singles from my upcoming rap solo album, Wrecks N Effect, if you attempt to achieve the 69 position.
WIZZLE TO YO FIZZLE, WORD
March 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
A lot of you are going to be really disappointed.Tommy Kelly will be a raider next year,he isn’t going anywhere.He is valued by ourselves and other teams even if the GMs on here don’t like him.You guys seem to believe if a guy isn’t an all-pro every year he isn’t any good and that isn’t the case.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
You know what they say-sex is like fishing,the less you get the more you lie.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Wimbley and Kelly should be moved on. Get the cap cleared to get a free agent or two…and be able to make better moves next year.
Wimbley is NOT a top tier pass rusher. TK can’t play the run worth shhhhh.
Those guys are paid like ELITE talent….hardly measure up as they are not complete players.
Both of these guys have had plenty of opportunity to earn their way. Al Davis put a lot of trust in these guys.
Clean house Reggie!
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I think you’re too hard on the players sometimes, SnB. Sure, some of them are cashing paychecks, but not all. Wimbley and Kelly show up for games and they play hard.
I’m not disagreeing with your assessment of their play, or the fact that they make way too much money for their production, but they didn’t offer those contracts to themselves.
Al overestimated their capabilities and paid them based on that. That’s on Al, not the player.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
The jury’s stil out on d.J. williams, folks. I think with his contention that his urine sample was handled incorrectly, plus other assertions that this may be the Ryan Braun case all over again. The DE said his ADHD meds tainted his test. . .his bad. . .
In regards to the Denver QB fiasco. . .any dissention outta denver has to be a good thing. . .unless the Denver training room somehow can graft Manning’s football knosledge onto Tebow’s body. . .
I’ too consider TP a superior athlete to Tebow, but does TP have the heart Tebow displays? the first time TP takes a hit the likes of Tebow methinks he starts reconsidering changing his throwing mechanics. . .
And, for the record while out on the daily five miles Beck & George Carlin provided the motivation for the following. . .
We like the girls in the Cellophane dress
They like the boys with the bulletproof chest
My girl thinks I’m really on it. . .don’t matter what’s in my wallet
I may show my age. . .but my girl thinks I’m pretty sage
She knows she’s worth my time & I don’t have to spend every last dime
And when it’s said & done we’re all the rage
When I gotta break away she don’t make me stay
‘Cause I know there’s no other & she’s the bread for my butter
I may be old school but I believe in this simple rule. . .
When it comes to the Nation & on this I stake my reputetion. . .
If you rail on the Silver & Black I’ll go on the attack
so for y’all on this blog I got your back. . .but I won’t be taken aback. . .so say what you might but be aware of my bite. . .
And if you think otherwise check it before you wreck it
I may be a corner huckster & with my guitar I’m quite a buckster. . .
But if you think I’m a husker than I wish you luck, sir!
I ain’t a gangsta. . .I’m more of a prankster..
I long ago put down my gun. . .for now I’m just around for fun. . .
But if I gotta go in the mode of survival I will again pick up my rifle
My girl may root for the Patriots. . .but she got the innate steps. . .
And when it comes to following the game she is anything but lame. . .
And when it comes to her man. . .she will make her stand!
You may think of us as quite the team
and if so you’re on the beam. . .
But if you try to intervene
Than you won’t make the list of the dean!
All English, BTW
March 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
A lot of you are going to be really disappointed.Tommy Kelly will be a raider next year,he isn’t going anywhere.He is valued by ourselves and other teams even if the GMs on here don’t like him.You guys seem to believe if a guy isn’t an all-pro every year he isn’t any good and that isn’t the case.
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Has nothing to do with being an All-Pro. Has everything to do with being an effective player against the run – which, like it or not, is part of the job description when you’re a starting defensive lineman. ESPECIALLY when you’re playing the 4-3 1-tech DT spot. Kelly’s poor gap discipline makes him a liability.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
All in fun, y’all!
March 10th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Unfortunately, Wimbley has a lot of guaranteed money.
At a minimum, Wimbley needs to reduce his contract to the low end of $6.5 and $11MM and convert the rest to a heavily incentivized contract.
Personally, I would put Wimbley on the road.
Reggie would take his “let’s say $8MM” and convert that to some bonus….the rest of Wimbley’s contract would be all incentives.
Wimbley is not a difference maker. When you pay a bunch of one-dimensional players a ton of money…it steals your ability to go get true DIFFERENCE MAKERS.
One explosive play or even one good game here and there does not make an elite player.
The Raiders deserve to win just like anyone else…you can’t win with garbage time statistics players.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
YA,I and it seems many of our coaches and others around the league,disagree with your analysis of Kelly.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
YA,I and it seems many of our coaches and others around the league,disagree with your analysis of Kelly.
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Based on what, exactly?
March 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
421.DKnight007 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Kelly is not good versus the run at all and that has been obvious for quite sometime.
He gets stood up way to often and once he is engaged and stood up on a running play….he is useless.
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Edward Teach Says:
I think you’re too hard on the players sometimes. Sure, some of them are cashing paychecks, but not all. Wimbley and Kelly show up for games and they play hard.
I’m not disagreeing with your assessment of their play, or the fact that they make way too much money for their production, but they didn’t offer those contracts to themselves.
Al overestimated their capabilities and paid them based on that. That’s on Al, not the player.
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The ultimate question is this: Kelly with the D-line has been stuffed time and again trying to contain the run.
It is AD’s fault – lack of business judgment while in the throes of dementia, to give Kelly a bloated contract with no justification based on performance. But, that doesn’t mean we should “feel sorry” for Kelly if his performance is sub-par: and it has been subpar, no doubt about it.
We can’t just remain here bleeding money. Kelly needs to be shown the door. Seymour and his non-performing ilk, needs to released too if after next season their performance is insubstantial.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
It is well known that when he was a RFA(I believe) teams wanted his services which is why the old man gave him the contract he did.We get new coaches every year,and every year Kelly continues to start.If he was as bad as you and others claim,he wouldn’t still be on the team,let alone still starting.I also believe it is difficult to rate how well he does his job because we have probably the worst set of LBers in the league.They all stink.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
We get new coaches every year,
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LOL……sad but true
March 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
My whole thought is to dump them all, which we won’t do because the after effects of that may have a cascading effect which would put the Raiders in the cellar for several years.
When one does the same thing, treads on the same ole ground, nothing new can be expected: results will be the same in the future as in the past.
Bottom line is, to stuff the run, we need young, new, hungry players. There is just no other way.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
We usually do a good job of stuffing the run on short yardage plays and Kelly is usually in the middle of those.He may not be elite,but he is much better than those on here give him credit for and at $3.25 mil. he isn’t that expensive.They are all overpaid.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Hopefully a lot of the gap discipline will improve with our new D-minded coach. Also the buck will now stop with him, and the player won’t have an ‘appeal’ to the Olde Man.
We will probably see better numbers with penalties and stopping the run.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
It is AD’s fault – lack of business judgment while in the throes of dementia, to give Kelly a bloated contract with no justification based on performance. But, that doesn’t mean we should “feel sorry” for Kelly if his performance is sub-par: and it has been subpar, no doubt about it.
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Not feeling sorry for Kelly, or for Wimbley for that matter.
His performance has been “sub-par” based on expectations that came with his contract. If he were making 2 million per nobody would say a word about him being overpaid and not living up to his contract status.
Unless I’m missing something, Tommy Kelly didn’t hold out or threaten to. Al made him a huge, dumb offer and he accepted it. I’d question his intelligence if he turned it down.
He’s overpaid for his production, as is Wimbley. Doesn’t mean they aren’t playing to the best of their abilities, just that a certain person overestimated what those capabilities are.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I actaully believe, based primarily on the Routt cut, that there will be more accountability this year. GM willing to strike on underperformers no more scholarship, and an energetic young D-minded coach.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
If they are not cut now…at least they now know that they can be cut next year.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
JFB,the A’s have got themselves a player in Cespedes.2-3 with a bomb in his 1st start of the spring.Too bad he’ll probably get traded,lol.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Steve Hutchinson was just released from the Vikings. He’s old, but has been a ProBowl Guard for many years. Is still good for 1 or 2 more years probably at a descent level. Would be worth looking into signing him short-term if we’re looking at moving Wiz back to Center.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Code black x4
March 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Unless I’m missing something, Tommy Kelly didn’t hold out or threaten to. Al made him a huge, dumb offer and he accepted it.
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Oh, I think I get it now. The reason so many people don’t like Kelly is because they didn’t like Al, and they think he got too much money from Al.
Does this about cover it? The guy plays hard every down, has been one of more consistent DL starters, was second on the team in sacks, has never had any problems off the field, seems to be a good locker room guy, has started every game for the last 4 years, but he made too much money so we should get rid of him… brilliant.
March 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Oh, I think I get it now. The reason so many people don’t like Kelly is because they didn’t like Al, and they think he got too much money from Al.
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That about sums it up!
March 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
TOMMY KELLY JUST NEEDS 2 LEARN TO KEEP HIS PANTS ON IN PUBLIC..
March 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Everyone sez Kelly’s worthless against the run. I counted him 16th in the league for DT’s in tackles.
He was tied for the LEAD for DT’s in sacks.
Yea.. cut him!! The guy SUCKS!! We could pick a guy off the street to do that!!!
Good gawd….
March 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
447.lefty12 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
JFB,the A’s have got themselves a player in Cespedes.2-3 with a bomb in his 1st start of the spring.Too bad he’ll probably get traded,lol.
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Yup!
On TK….I don’t mind him still being on the team, but a reduced price tag, that helps the Raiders cap wise for this year and next year at least.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Oh, I think I get it now. The reason so many people don’t like Kelly is because they didn’t like Al, and they think he got too much money from Al.
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That about sums it up!
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Yea.. I guess I got it figured out now…
March 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Good one, Dirt Lot! LOL
March 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
“Playing hard” is not the same thing as “being effective”. Kelly can shoot gaps with a Pro Bowler playing next to him. That’s great and all, but at some point he’s going to need to learn to stay in his gap because that’s how defenses stop offenses consistently. And even then, before Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly had a single good season. He’s been starting for as long as he has because for years the Raiders didn’t have any better options. Now? They have two other players who are 3-tech DTs and are much younger and far cheaper than TK (who is making $5.5 million this season and $6 million next season). Besides, plenty of average players stuck for years because Al Davis said so. TK was one of Al’s guys. He fit Al’s defensive philosophy. And luckily, the Raiders have rid themselves of Al’s defensive philosophy.
Kelly isn’t a “bad” player. He’s just an interior pass rusher on a team that already has four, and he doesn’t show enough skill against the run for him to be worth what he’s making over the next two seasons, on a cash-strapped team that desperately needs a real 1-tech. Quite simply, Kelly doesn’t/can’t do what the Raiders need out of a starting DT at this point.
The Raider LBs have been bad, for sure. But when an offensive guard is at the second level destroying one of the Raider LBs, that’s because a DT didn’t carry out his assignment.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
TOMMY KELLY JUST NEEDS 2 LEARN TO KEEP HIS PANTS ON IN PUBLIC..
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YES, that was a magic moment. Talk about someone getting national exposure! Nobody does it better than a Raider. TK has proven beyond a doubt that he really is a “cheeky” SOB. There’s nothing better than live TV and someone having an equipment malfunction.
GO TK – You Da Man!
March 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Peyton goes to Denver or Kansas City, Raiders must go after Mario.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Who was it that said…I looked on the jumbo tron and all I saw was Tommy Kelley’s big fat arse?
March 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
He’s just an interior pass rusher on a team that already has four, and he doesn’t show enough skill against the run for him to be worth what he’s making over the next two seasons,
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The DT 16th in the league in tackles doesn’t have enough skill against the run?
Who exactly was he tackling?? Cheerleaders?
March 10th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Hutchison & Carlisle as starting guards for the next two seasons would be an excellent move. OL like qbs can play well into their late thirties.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Gdog Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
He’s just an interior pass rusher on a team that already has four, and he doesn’t show enough skill against the run for him to be worth what he’s making over the next two seasons,
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The DT 16th in the league in tackles doesn’t have enough skill against the run?
Who exactly was he tackling?? Cheerleaders?
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I don’t know, but ProFootballFocus has him ranked #41 against the run.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Gdog Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
He’s just an interior pass rusher on a team that already has four, and he doesn’t show enough skill against the run for him to be worth what he’s making over the next two seasons,
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The DT 16th in the league in tackles doesn’t have enough skill against the run?
Who exactly was he tackling?? Cheerleaders?
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http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=DEFENSIVE_LINEMAN&d-447263-s=DEFENSIVE_TOTAL_TACKLES&tabSeq=1&season=2011&Submit=Go&experience=null&archive=false&conference=null&qualified=true
What are you talking about? He wasn’t even in the top 50 of defensive linemen.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
YA,I and it seems many of our coaches and others around the league,disagree with your analysis of Kelly.
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What coach are you talking about – do you have dementia? I mean I heard one mention that some GMs may regard Kelly higher than us fans by Steve. I have not heard boo peep from Raiders staff about how they are excited about Kelly. Rumors about moving Kelly are coming out of Alameda – why – because they are happy with him? He does not make that much like Wimbley. I see what I see during games and I see a lousy run defender that takes plays off. He is an average lineman making a little above average pay. Because most of it has been paid earlier in bonuses he might have trade value. That is what I see.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Gdog Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Unless I’m missing something, Tommy Kelly didn’t hold out or threaten to. Al made him a huge, dumb offer and he accepted it.
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Oh, I think I get it now. The reason so many people don’t like Kelly is because they didn’t like Al, and they think he got too much money from Al.
Does this about cover it? The guy plays hard every down, has been one of more consistent DL starters, was second on the team in sacks, has never had any problems off the field, seems to be a good locker room guy, has started every game for the last 4 years, but he made too much money so we should get rid of him… brilliant.
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You might have to show me where I said we should get rid of him, because I don’t think I did. I also don’t recall saying I didn’t like Al Davis. Please try not to put words in my mouth.
I’m not one of those “cut everybody” guys. I don’t know how he fits in with the plan going forward, and unless someone does its hard to say one way or the other. His contract is not as bad as Wimbley’s, who may also end up staying if both parties can figure it out. I just doubt Wimbley will based on his cap hit.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
hating on Kelly is old news. the man has played at a pro bowl level the past two years. shrug. Lefty 12 had it right when he wrote that all the negativism is based on a contract.sorry kids, TK is not Terdell.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
420.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I would love to see this team sign Solial or Franklin, but I think they may go with a young 2 gapper NT type in middle rounds of draft.
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If they really want to be an effective 3/4 team they would have to get someone like Solial or Franklin. I don’t think a 5th round rookie is going to make it for us.
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I’m sure everybody thought Tom Brady wouldn’t make it for N.E when he was drafted in the 6th round either.
You know what you find in the 5th and 6th round? Hall of Famers.
I’d rather have a 5th round draft choice over a 1st rounder any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
(BTW I don’t mean anything I just said. I’ve just always wanted to pull the “Tom Brady was a 6th rounder” out of my arse.)
My apologies.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
M Lonetree Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
hating on Kelly is old news. the man has played at a pro bowl level the past two years. shrug. Lefty 12 had it right when he wrote that all the negativism is based on a contract.sorry kids, TK is not Terdell.
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Agreed. Last year Kelly was our best tackle by far!
March 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Wow
We were one of the worst run defenses in the NFL and I guess all the guys we have are just fine… I wonder if McClain Curry and Wimbley would be better if the DT would actually hold his gap instead of ad libbing it and shooting a gap to get a 2 yard loss one play only to have the RB go yard the next.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Just because a “I know it all” fan like yourself doesn’t like or value a player,doesn’t mean others feel the same way.Do some research.Kelly is highly thought of.When you compare his #s with other DTs he is right there.John Clayton said he would be highly sought after due to his ability to play DE in a 3-4 or DT in a 4-3.I notice you ignore the part of my comment that points out that even though we have new coaches every year,Kelly not only sticks on the team,he retains his starting job.If he sucks like you say,why hasn’t he been replaced?Maybe the coaches do know more than you.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The guy who plays the position on the defensive line that is supposed to be the strongest against the run is rated #41 v.s. the run among DTs.
But hey, I guess sometimes when he leaves his gap he gets a sack out of it.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
ReggieMc is chopping/cauterizing on every available and foreseeable contract wound, all of the “out of whack” ones, why no mention of TK’s contract undergoing surgery?
March 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Lefty
If our coaches/scouts thought Kelly was that good why did we keep Seymour then? I mean Seymour should have been expendable right? Maybe they were confused and got the numbers wrong on the Jerseys. If he is pro bowl then why is it that Steve’s “sources” keep telling him we don’t have play makers on defense. I think you need to take the glasses off.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Wait you mean TK is only making 5.5 mill this year and 6mil next year? WTF is the problem? He’s really pretty cheap for a dlineman of his quality.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
What are you talking about? He wasn’t even in the top 50 of defensive linemen.
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DT’s.
I simply counted people with “DT” next to their name.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Lonetree
Why no mention of Henderson’s contract or Johnson’s contract “undergoing surgery.” Can mean a lot of things.
I do know this Routt has some talent and could command a decent contract on another team – why was he cut? My guess (in addition to a big contract) is undisciplined play which is TK’s problem as well.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Never doubted Curry would be back.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I don’t know, but ProFootballFocus has him ranked #41 against the run.
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I’d have to see the methodology to comment on that.
But even so, if he was 41st against the run, and tied for the lead (for DTs) in sacks? Whats everyone complaining about?
Thats a pretty damn good DT.
The reason our run defense sucked was because of all the big plays our secondary gave up. Are we watching different games or something??
March 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Stan Routt was rated as a top 5 CB yet you also wanted him banished saying ratings don’t tell the whole story.As Gdog said,you guys hate Kelly because of the contract the old man GAVE him.I notice most of our highly paid players get very little support on this forum.It would seem all many of you care about is the size of the contract.If we signed M. Williams within 2 years most on here would want to run him out of town.
March 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Lefty
If our coaches/scouts thought Kelly was that good why did we keep Seymour then? I mean Seymour should have been expendable right? Maybe they were confused and got the numbers wrong on the Jerseys. If he is pro bowl then why is it that Steve’s “sources” keep telling him we don’t have play makers on defense. I think you need to take the glasses off.
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Which sounds better to you…One good delineman or two?
March 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1960,
point taken about lack of discipline (pretty much applies to every Oaktown defender). I have to trust in ReggieMc to know what he sees as talent, production and fixability.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Lefty
If our coaches/scouts thought Kelly was that good why did we keep Seymour then?
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Team leader on defense, hands down.
Its called an “intangible.” You can’t put a price on it.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
1960-the reason we kept Seymour and will probably keep Kelly is you don’t get rid of good players if you don’t have to.Do you see the Giants cutting a couple of their Dlinemen because they have 1 good one.The idea is to accumulate talent,not get rid of it.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I don’t know, but ProFootballFocus has him ranked #41 against the run.
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Yeah, but it’s a passing league. In other words Kelly is OK versus the run and good versus the pass. Look at John Henderson: if I was an oppenent and I saw that guy come into a game, I would have a field day chucking the rock because Henderson gets NO push. You guys that think the problem with our defense is Tommie Kelly need to educate yourselves.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So I assume some of you want to see Houston start at DT over Kelly?
Des Bryant needs to be the starting LDE, not a backup DT.
Hasn’t Kelly been “penetrating” because that’s what he’s been asked to do?
March 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Kelly is paid like an elite DT. He’s good, but he’s not elite.
That said, Reggie’s a smart man. I’m sure he is able to determine what the Raiders can handle, contract-wise, and what they can’t when he weighs the strength of the roster against what it will cost to maintain it.
Routt was obvious. The guy’s play was hurting the team in a big way. Kelly is valuable in some areas, some areas he’s not. I trust Reggie and coach Allen to determine where the line is because they know their plan. We don’t.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Lonetree
Agreed on discipline comment although some worse than others. The Manning scramble for 22 yard and a TD had to be a low point!!!
I know there is a lot to look at and TK may be better than I think he is. If he is really better than what I think he is – he will be around and I basically am giving this new staff the benefit of the doubt. We will know by camp how people feel about TK on the Raiders staff.
I remember back in 07 that really no one even could figure out which OL to keep or get rid of because the coaching was so bad and everything so messed up we could not tell what the potential of the players were.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
This kinda reminds me of all the Raider fans that wanted to run Jano out of town because of where he was drafted.
All that talk kind of dried up lately for some reason.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Which sounds better to you…One good delineman or two?
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If we had two really elite DT’s why was our defense so bad? I mean against the run (I know you can say that the secondary sucked against the pass). I mean watching the plays I did not see two elite DTs out there. I did not see TK demanding double teams.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Lefty12,
to further a point…Super Mario has never made his defensive co-horts better.it wasn’t Mario or lack him-of that made Houston’s D better, it was Wade P, making Williams expendable.
Hell, in Mario’s best year he only accomplished what Aldon Smith did last year for the Whiners.
Too much money for something is about the same as too much money for nothing.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
The performance of this defense the last few years demand substantive change.
These guys are supposed to be in the PRIME of their careers and are paid as top tier players.
Yet everyone has a very intense debate on whether these guys are any good.
Put Wimbley and TK on the road. Then get a real difference maker next year with the savings.
Bryant and Houston will make up for TK and a new NT can be found somewhere.
Wimbley…just can’t pay the guy for the production he delivers.
That performance last year was unacceptable.
Let’s get on with it and fix this team
March 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
edward teach Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Kelly is paid like an elite DT. He’s good, but he’s not elite.
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6 million buys an “elite” DT? In what alternative universe?
I’d say his pay is about right (and could still be restructured). I think you are focusing on his PREVIOUS pay. Kinda like how people focused on Jano’s PREVIOUS draft position.
It’s irrelevant now ya know??
March 10th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Wait you mean TK is only making 5.5 mill this year and 6mil next year? WTF is the problem? He’s really pretty cheap for a dlineman of his quality.
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I don’t know if I would say it’s cheap, but it is certainly not completely out of line. The Old Man spent money like a drunken knucklehead at times, and it looks like Reggie McKenzie is going to have to clean a lot of this up and clean it up fast. Fortunately, Palmer, Seymour, Curry, Huff and a couple of others are going to help. Wimbley, McFadden, and a couple of others are going to have to soul search.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
J Hill Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So I assume some of you want to see Houston start at DT over Kelly?
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No.
Base formations need a player capable of occupying blockers and holding his gap.
Houston, Kelly, Seymour, and Bryant are all 3-techs. Houston, Seymour, and Bryant can all play some LDE as well.
What the Raiders need is a gap-eater for their base formations. They have enough guys who can provide a pass rush on 3rd-and-long and in nickel and dime formations.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I don’t know about paying Lechler $3.8mm for one year either.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Gdog
Regarding #493: I earlier stated he had trade value which means I think TK is being paid about right. My problem is that we have Houston, Bryant, and Seymour as potential DTs or 3/4 DEs and if we go 3/4 and land a NT where does TK fit in???? Remember we have Shonasty coming back at DE as well.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I don’t know about paying Lechler $3.8mm for one year either.
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Now THAT I don’t object to. The benefit he provides with opposing field position gives us a couple wins a year.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
J Hill Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So I assume some of you want to see Houston start at DT over Kelly?
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No.
Base formations need a player capable of occupying blockers and holding his gap.
Houston, Kelly, Seymour, and Bryant are all 3-techs. Houston, Seymour, and Bryant can all play some LDE as well.
What the Raiders need is a gap-eater for their base formations. They have enough guys who can provide a pass rush on 3rd-and-long and in nickel and dime formations.
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While this is true, you don’t hear anyone on this blog, or in the league for that matter claiming Kelly gets knocked off the ball. Kelly can get stood up, but what is supposed to happen is the support should diagnose the play and clean up. That doesn’t happen. What DOES happen is the support waits to get blocked, gets blocked, and to the 2nd and 3rd level goes the opponent. 55 looking at you here!
March 10th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Which sounds better to you…One good delineman or two?
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If we had two really elite DT’s why was our defense so bad? I mean against the run (I know you can say that the secondary sucked against the pass).
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Are you under the assumption that most of the run stopping is at the line or something? Its the LB’s that are supposed to be making the tackles… thats why all the top tacklers in the NFL are secondary players… 18 of the top 20 were LBs (Branch was in top 20).
Our LB’s are horrible vs the run. Thats where the run defense gets improved.
I have no problem cutting Wimbley for that reason.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Gdog Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
edward teach Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Kelly is paid like an elite DT. He’s good, but he’s not elite.
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6 million buys an “elite” DT? In what alternative universe?
I’d say his pay is about right (and could still be restructured). I think you are focusing on his PREVIOUS pay. Kinda like how people focused on Jano’s PREVIOUS draft position.
It’s irrelevant now ya know??
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He’s the 7th highest paid DT in the NFL. I would call that elite pay.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
The reason our run defense sucked was because of all the big plays our secondary gave up.
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The run defense has been atrocious for years no matter how good or bad the secondary was.
The problem is that Al wanted defensive tackles who can shoot gaps. He didn’t care if they were disciplined v.s. the run. Hate to break it to you, but good defense starts against the run. You take the run away, forcing the opposing offense off-schedule and putting your own offense in good position. Then when the opposing offense HAS to pass, your linemen can pin their ears back and get after the QB.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I don’t know about paying Lechler $3.8mm for one year either.
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Now THAT I don’t object to. The benefit he provides with opposing field position gives us a couple wins a year.
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I like Lechler no doubt. But you do realize he makes more than Jason Witten, Justin Tuck and Lance Briggs?
March 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Gdog,
I also said that if RM is comfortable with it, then so am I. Like I said, I don’t know the plan going forward. Unless you are Reggie McKenzie, Dennis Allen or someone else in the building, none of us does.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Are you under the assumption that most of the run stopping is at the line or something?
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That’s where the work is done, yes. DTs have to keep their linebackers clean.
Again, when you see an offensive guard reaching the second level, that’s because a defensive lineman isn’t doing his job.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
If we had two really elite DT’s why was our defense so bad? I mean against the run (I know you can say that the secondary sucked against the pass).
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Are you under the assumption that most of the run stopping is at the line or something? Its the LB’s that are supposed to be making the tackles… thats why all the top tacklers in the NFL are secondary players… 18 of the top 20 were LBs (Branch was in top 20).
Our LB’s are horrible vs the run. Thats where the run defense gets improved.
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I have watched the Ravens play run defense and the DTs may not do the tackling all the time but they command double teams or take up space and allow the LB’s to make plays. One of the most frustrating aspects of TK is he shoots a gap and leaves his gap open and LBs get lit up like a Christmas tree by a guard.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
While this is true, you don’t hear anyone on this blog, or in the league for that matter claiming Kelly gets knocked off the ball. Kelly can get stood up, but what is supposed to happen is the support should diagnose the play and clean up. That doesn’t happen. What DOES happen is the support waits to get blocked, gets blocked, and to the 2nd and 3rd level goes the opponent. 55 looking at you here!
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NO KIDDING!
The line would have the RB stuffed 5-6 times straight and then the one time they don’t its OFF TO THE RACES!!
The everybody complains the line can’t stop the run.
Its maddening… we need 4 new LB’s… but can’t afford to.
I bet after next year we will have an entire new LB crew and a new FS.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Confusion say,
better a big name FA than a TK in the fold.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
like Lechler no doubt. But you do realize he makes more than Jason Witten, Justin Tuck and Lance Briggs?
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So does TK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it this point I am not even sure how he fits in the defense.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Lonetree
My point is I would like us to use the money for TK and other money and get a real NT like Solari and then we can really evaluate our LBs because they will not be constantly be trying to shed TKs guard.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I’d take Franklin for a fifth of what Kelly is making. Not because Franklin is a “better” player than Kelly, but because Franklin is the TYPE of player that the Raiders need.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I like Lechler no doubt. But you do realize he makes more than Jason Witten, Justin Tuck and Lance Briggs?
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IIRC, he went FA the same year Nnamdi did. Al massively overpaid to lock Lechler up so he could Franchise #21. He did the same thing with SeaBass a year later.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
oungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
The reason our run defense sucked was because of all the big plays our secondary gave up.
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The run defense has been atrocious for years no matter how good or bad the secondary was.
The problem is that Al wanted defensive tackles who can shoot gaps. He didn’t care if they were disciplined v.s. the run. Hate to break it to you, but good defense starts against the run.
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Yes, but the mistake you are making that fans here have been making for years is they see a bad run defense and they immediately blame the DT’s. The DT’s have played well. Most of the problem with the run defense has been big runs. A lot of the time that is plays off the edge. Bottom line is the DE’s, the LB’s and secondary run support has been poor at best.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Bottom line we are playing amateur GMs here and I am sure RM and DA have a plan or series of plans depending on how things play out. Fun to speculate though especially if there is some realism in it. As opposed to “bring in Manning now” or “we need to sign Mario ASAP”
March 10th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Texan D (with Mario) ranks last in league (2010)
Texan D (Mario negligble) ranks top of league (2011).
yes, even taking into account the skewed aspect that they faced Blaine Gabbert and Curtis Painter each twice (25% of total), it was all one man, Baby Bum.
If Tarver can accomplish anything resembling a big-league D coach all the whining here should stop.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
The DT’s have played well
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The DTs have gotten sacks. That doesn’t mean the DTs have played well. They frequently leave their gaps, exposing LBs to blockers at the second level, and leaving the defense vulnerable to cutback runs, draws, and delays.
The entire front seven is a mess. Three 3-tech DTs starting, three SLBs starting, and not a single impact playmaker.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I have watched the Ravens play run defense and the DTs may not do the tackling all the time but they command double teams or take up space and allow the LB’s to make plays. One of the most frustrating aspects of TK is he shoots a gap and leaves his gap open and LBs get lit up like a Christmas tree by a guard.
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If you put the Ravens LB’s behind our line we are top 10 instantly.
You put our LB’s behind the Ravens line? Maybe 20th vs run?? at best
March 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
All of our picks and FA moves should go to addrssing the D…
Do not spend 1 nickel on the O, unless it is for Oline depth, and that is not a prioirty…
We need a clogger in the middle…Space eater…
I want Alameda Ta’amu, if he is still on deck.
LB’s LB’s LB’s
Next 2 picks would be the best LB’s on the board…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
YA,
scheme. the athletes are there. scheme.
and the correct mindset.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
If you put the Ravens LB’s behind our line we are top 10 instantly.
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This is the exact opposite of how it works in reality.
The Ravens protect Suggs and Lewis by stocking up on linemen who keep blockers OFF of their star linebackers. This has been how the Ravens front office has operated since they drafted Ray Lewis.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
If you put the Ravens LB’s behind our line we are top 10 instantly.
You put our LB’s behind the Ravens line? Maybe 20th vs run?? at best
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That is an opinion… I would flip what you say actually based on the number of times I have seen opposing guards hammer our LBs. Sometimes it seems like we are defending the pass on running plays.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
The entire front seven is a mess. Three 3-tech DTs starting, three SLBs starting, and not a single impact playmaker.
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1000% truth…Only play maaker on the whole D is Gio.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
We do not have the players to run a run stopping 4-3.
Nor do we have the NT, or LB’s to run a 3-4…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The front 7 terrible, got of lot of guys playing out of position…. No run clogger, hendu is past his prime and should be cut…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The DTs have gotten sacks. That doesn’t mean the DTs have played well. They frequently leave their gaps, exposing LBs to blockers at the second level, and leaving the defense vulnerable to cutback runs, draws, and delays.
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Review the tape of all the long runs given up… and I guarantee you will see our LB’s giving up on their assignments, or taking THEMSELVES out of the play. The line kept the RB’s bottled up at the line pretty consistently all season, except for a handful of plays… and it was always OFF TO THE RACES. Do we watch the same games??
March 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
mcclain is an ilb impersonating an mlb….
March 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
The DT’s have played well
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The DTs have gotten sacks. That doesn’t mean the DTs have played well. They frequently leave their gaps, exposing LBs to blockers at the second level, and leaving the defense vulnerable to cutback runs, draws, and delays.
The entire front seven is a mess. Three 3-tech DTs starting, three SLBs starting, and not a single impact playmaker.
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Remember what I wrote earlier, if you have a 345lb one gap NT and no tremendous edge rusher, you can stack your line, sit back there, and a good Q is going to pick a defense to pieces. So DT’s need to be able to occupy blockers and get penetration. I completely agree with what you are saying with regards to the LB’s. I see an entire corp of players who cannot shed their blocks, and so RB’s get to the 3rd level which is going to be BIG yardage. Which is exactly what happens.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
A lot f times I see our LB’s in the wash…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
I completely agree with Gdog on this subject.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
This is my bottom line:
DA said he wants to have a hybrid 3/4 4/3. right now we can not and I repeat not run a 3/4 and we really do not have the right people to run a 4/3. We need a nose tackle. If we have Seymour already who can be a LDE in a 3/4 and have Houston or Shonasty that can play the other side and have Bryant who can fill in at NT as a sub our missing pieces is a space eating starting NT. We do not have one of those. With a NT and a base 3/4 – where does our 6 million dollar DT fit in? TK is a decent pass rushing DE for 3rd and long but a frustration on running downs. Our LBs knees and shoulders will appreciate such a change! TK is an average DE that is above average on passing downs and below average on running downs. If he is so good and a pro bowl lineman why does he not command double teams very often? Why is the guard assigned to him blowing up our LBs?
March 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Thec,
not everytime is there a Bill Russell to man the middle, a Sandy Koufax to anchor the staff, a Pele to awe all-comers, sometimes it only about making the adequate seem great by giving them the correct venue.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Play a 3-4 for the existing personel without getting a real NT you will get hammered…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
That is an opinion… I would flip what you say actually based on the number of times I have seen opposing guards hammer our LBs. Sometimes it seems like we are defending the pass on running plays.
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If Ray Lewis saw an opposing GUARD coming at him would he be taken out of the play? He’d shed the block and make the play on the RB 9 of 10 times.
McClain would TAKE ON the guard and not even look at the RB. He does it over and over and over and over and over and over…
Its maddening.
Thats the person that should be cut, if not for his salary and how young he is.
Kelly is MAYBE the number 7 problem player we have in run stuffing. But he used to get paid a ton of money.. so he gets the blame.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
M Lontree, I expect RM to find that gem to anchor the D in the middle, if not we are only kidding ourselves when it comes to making any team 1 dimensional….
March 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Remember what I wrote earlier, if you have a 345lb one gap NT and no tremendous edge rusher, you can stack your line, sit back there, and a good Q is going to pick a defense to pieces.
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That’s why you have different formations and personnel depending on the situation. The problem is that the Raiders DON’T have any kind of run stuffer on the roster, even for two-down duty. They have plenty of guys who can create pressure from the DT spot.
I am in no way absolving the linebackers of their responsibilities – they have not played well either. But the Raiders defensive line is TERRIBLE at occupying blockers.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
mcclain is allways in the washing machine…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The best Raiders defensive lineman in terms of gap discipline is Houston. But he isn’t the kind of player who takes on double-teams. He’s a high-motor kid who can collapse the line. He should be the starting 3-tech. Seymour and Bryant should both rotate between 3-tech and LDE situationally.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Being a NT is about will. Just being fat isn’t enough or #2 woulda been a gem there.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Can any one put mcclain in this group?
Willis, Cushing, Maluga, Lewis, Urlacher
March 10th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Review the tape of all the long runs given up… and I guarantee you will see our LB’s giving up on their assignments, or taking THEMSELVES out of the play. The line kept the RB’s bottled up at the line pretty consistently all season, except for a handful of plays… and it was always OFF TO THE RACES. Do we watch the same games??
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The Raider linemen were on occasion pretty good about taking away the RB’s first choice – and then often TERRIBLE about staying in their gaps and taking away any other options. They would all pursue the ball carrier, giving him ample room to cut back and find a wide open hole in the middle of the defense.
The linebackers also had huge problems containing on the edge, yes.
You don’t have a historically bad defense without all of the above being a problem.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The best Raiders defensive lineman in terms of gap discipline is Houston. But he isn’t the kind of player who takes on double-teams. He’s a high-motor kid who can collapse the line. He should be the starting 3-tech. Seymour and Bryant should both rotate between 3-tech and LDE situationally.
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10,000% truth…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Funny several here are now bashing McClain that our new coaching staff is excited about and defending TK that our coaching staff has not said boo peep about. I do not think our LBs are “pro bowl” material right now but some of you have said TK is playing at pro bowl level.
At the beginning of this argument it was all about TK is more respected by coaches than the fans…. I guess whoever said that did not read this blog.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Thec,
that is probably the best statement I’ve ever seen about Romac. the washing machine. although it does not account for the ‘Oles!’ on numerable other occasions.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
NT is about leverage and motor. Completely agreed that you don’t need a 350lb monster to man that position.
But sometimes it does help…
March 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Bob Knight cracks me up. Eating an ice cream cone while working the Baylor-Mizzou game, telling the world that Bracketology is a waste of time and conversation and describing a long three-point attempt by a Baylor player as “an NFL three-pointer”.
So nice to have someone working for that wretched network that doesn’t care about the corporate politics there.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Allen knows that mmclain is not an mlb…He does not have the insticts to play it at this level. He was an ilb at bama, never was a big hitter, and arm tackles instead of running through guys….
March 10th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
I completely agree with Gdog on this subject.
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The more you agree with me the smarter I think you are. lol
March 10th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
just an aside as I rarely venture here on a Saturday afternoon, but is it normal that there is only civil Raider discussion at this time?
March 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
although it does not account for the ‘Oles!
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Very frustrating, but whats more infuriating is, he does not attack the ball like the aformentioned guys.
March 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Ta’amu is the answer to the run stoppage….
March 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
The Raider linemen were on occasion pretty good about taking away the RB’s first choice – and then often TERRIBLE about staying in their gaps and taking away any other options. They would all pursue the ball carrier, giving him ample room to cut back and find a wide open hole in the middle of the defense.
The linebackers also had huge problems containing on the edge, yes.
You don’t have a historically bad defense without all of the above being a problem.
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Agreed.
Quicker fix is LB, IMO though.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Gdog
Can Curry or McClain be fixed by coaching? Can they be helped by trying to keep OL off them by having linemen that stand their ground? Both these guys are recent top 10 picks. I have more hope for Curry at this point.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Blackbeard,
I had a GF quite a while back who was a student at IU when “the General” was BBCoach. She told me that a girl had been raped on campus and “the General” advised that the girl should’ve just enjoyed the experience.
BKnight is a POS.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Thec Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Allen knows that mmclain is not an mlb…He does not have the insticts to play it at this level. He was an ilb at bama, never was a big hitter, and arm tackles instead of running through guys….
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Exactly. And you can arm tackle guys in college where the RB’s are 205 lbs and they are students. Here where they are 225lbs and world class athletes, arm tackling ain’t gonna happen.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Quicker fix is LB, IMO though.
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Oh, absolutely. The best the Raiders can hope for along the d-line for 2012 is some better depth and role players.
Aubrayo Franklin, for instance, wasn’t expensive for the Saints, and will likely be even less expensive this season. He’d allow the Raiders to use true 3-4 looks, though. Only a 2-down player, but VERY effective at what he does – and what he does is not something the Raiders currently have on the roster.
Lots more options for the Raiders at 4-3 LB this offseason. Very few options at 3-4 rush LB, though.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I’m hoping better coaching can cure a ton of this… just the overall attitude from our DC’s over the last 10 years has been a problem… I think its too much cave-man “KILL THE QB KILL THE RB” and not enough DISCIPLINE.
If you watch the Ravens, its all controlled havoc.
All we have is the havoc.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Ta’amu is going at the tail of round 1 or at the worst early round 2. We will have no shot to snack him
March 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Cry havoc! – Willie Shykesspud
March 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Lots more options for the Raiders at 4-3 LB this offseason. Very few options at 3-4 rush LB, though.
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A really good potential 3/4 rusher is Wimbley that is why I think the Raiders are working so hard trying to make his contract work somehow.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
M Lonetree Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Blackbeard,
I had a GF quite a while back who was a student at IU when “the General” was BBCoach. She told me that a girl had been raped on campus and “the General” advised that the girl should’ve just enjoyed the experience.
BKnight is a POS.
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I remember the incident. Not saying the guy’s a decent human being, just that his on-air commentary is a refreshing change from the corporate-speak we normally get from the worldwide leader.
Charles Barkley isn’t exactly a prince either, but I like his on-air personality for many of the same reasons.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Vegas,
Whats the score?
March 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Amen.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
A really good potential 3/4 rusher is Wimbley that is why I think the Raiders are working so hard trying to make his contract work somehow.
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Wimbley’s presence alone makes the Raiders a MUCH more versatile team. I do hope they find a way to keep him.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I see really good teams’ DTs shed their OT of assignment, all ending up several feet inside the offensive side of the line, seemingly about 5 ft. wide (the DTs). At that point RB’s are upended and head planted or simply cut down. That is how the Steelers work it. It seems so simple: ball is snapped; DT’s move forward past OT’s and Guards; a few feet past the line of scrimmage; stuff the runner. The steelers do that year after year.
Maybe it’s possible that the Raider’s defensive coaches don’t know what they are doing and lack fundamental knowledge of defensive procedure.
Consider this: over the seasons, time and time and time again our CB’s tracking their receiver didn’t even turn their head when the ball came. That was standard Routt behavior last year.
It was inexplicable to me. If the CB’s can’t get procedure right, and the DT’s can’t get the procedure right, and the ends can’t get the procedure right, then maybe the organization just doesn’t have the staff who can get it right.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
A really good potential 3/4 rusher is Wimbley that is why I think the Raiders are working so hard trying to make his contract work somehow.
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Wimbley’s presence alone makes the Raiders a MUCH more versatile team. I do hope they find a way to keep him.
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Agreed.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Ta’amu is going at the tail of round 1 or at the worst early round 2. We will have no shot to snack him
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Ta’amu is going no where near round 1 or round 2 after a poor showing at the Senior Bowl. We will have a chance at him.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Gdog
Can Curry or McClain be fixed by coaching? Can they be helped by trying to keep OL off them by having linemen that stand their ground? Both these guys are recent top 10 picks. I have more hope for Curry at this point.
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I agree. I don’t see anything that tells me McClain has the instincts to be a great LB. If you think about it, the only time he stands out is when he doesn’t have to think at all… like when he blitzes… “Get the QB.”
I’m hoping a diminished role for McClain, and a focus on just the things he does well is the answer. That means we need a new MLB. Not sure who that could be.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Gdog Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I’m hoping better coaching can cure a ton of this…
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Some of it certainly. McClain has been slow to diagnose plays and slow to the POA. One hopes that Allen and Tarver can get that corrected. If not, the one thing that has come out in the last 30 days is there is a new sheriff in town. And he does not take ANY sh**. His name is Reggie McKenzie.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I still don’t think we are anywhere close to seeing much 3-4.
Three quality instinctive LB’s short.. aren’t we??
Or maybe I don’t understand the system well enough…
March 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Great article on how teams approach the draft and free agency. Some of you guys will already know a lot of the information contained therein, but it’s worth a read nonetheless.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-clubs-strategize-for-free-agency-and-the-draft.html
March 10th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
McClain is laughable. Cartwheeling through the air while runners blow right by him. He only seems to make plays after it doesn’t matter, like in the Green Bay game this season.
If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and swims like a duck, it probably is a duck. McClain’s presence at the gunplay incident in Alabama demonstrates his a glaring lack of intelligence. It’s outrageous he was the official Defensive team captain.
He should definitely be released, if nothing else as a symbol to all Raider players the ax looms and will be used if necessary.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Complete meltdown for the Aztecs.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I can’t watch anymore. Congrats Vegas.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Raider O Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I can’t watch anymore. Congrats Vegas.
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You can at least soften the blow by beating up on Preppie. You guys hammered UM today!
March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
YA get a clue will ya’? The RAVENS play a 4/3 2gap system which ask the DT to play avery different scheme the DON’T want them to penetrate. TK is doing exactly what the COACHES are asking him to do…………period
March 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
The Giants run the exact same system the Raiders have run for years the ask their Dline to attack the QB and play the run on their way to the QB. That’s why the rush 4 only and pressure from inside as well as outside. They don’t want the DT to sit and catch they want them aggressive to the QB.
If you have a problem with the system then fine, but the DT’s in front4 attacking style is what they want…………..period
March 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
priesttj Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
The Giants run the exact same system the Raiders have run for years the ask their Dline to attack the QB and play the run on their way to the QB. That’s why the rush 4 only and pressure from inside as well as outside. They don’t want the DT to sit and catch they want them aggressive to the QB.
If you have a problem with the system then fine, but the DT’s in front4 attacking style is what they want…………..period
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It’s going to be interesting to see what the scheme looks like next year. We should get some clues when free agency and the draft really get going.
Good to see you on here again, Priest.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
You can at least soften the blow by beating up on Preppie. You guys hammered UM today!
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Thank you. You are very Thoughtful.
Where is preppie?
March 10th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
What’up ET, I see you and my man Lefty12 in here trying to keep order……huh LOL take care!!
March 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
priesttj Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
What’up ET, I see you and my man Lefty12 in here trying to keep order……huh LOL take care!!
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Haha. I know my limitations, and keeping order on a Raiders blog is way out of my league.
Hope you are well, bro.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
TJ, Welcome back! It’s good to see your return.
So what’s your assessment:
• Wimbley stays – yes/no
• Defense in 2012 – 3-4 or 4-3
• Best guess for BU-QB
• O-line – Power blocking or ZBS
March 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Raider O Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
You can at least soften the blow by beating up on Preppie. You guys hammered UM today!
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Thank you. You are very Thoughtful.
Where is preppie?
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His team lost by 22. He’s not going to come looking for you. You’re gonna have to draw him out, lol.
March 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Whats Good TJ? Hope you have been well. Good to see yu posting…
March 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
You’re gonna have to draw him out, lol.
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Set a trap for preppie? Interesting….
March 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Thanks fellas, Thec07 I’m just laying low………..and lovin’ it!
Have fun guys!!!
March 10th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
PriestTJ, good to see you making a visit bro.
Don’t be such a stranger, glad you are doing well.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I wonder if McKenzie was keeping Eugene and Johnson on the roster until now to use their salaries agianst the cap in talks with Huff/Sey/CP’s restructuring.
March 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
priesttj Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
YA get a clue will ya’? The RAVENS play a 4/3 2gap system which ask the DT to play avery different scheme the DON’T want them to penetrate. TK is doing exactly what the COACHES are asking him to do…………period
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The Ravens run a hybrid system. Neither 4-3 nor 3-4. And yes, that’s exactly what I said. They keep the blockers off of the linebackers. I was responding to the idea that if you just plugged in the Ravens LBs behind the Raiders defensive line the run defense would automatically be awesome. That’s not the case at all.
Even the Giants, who as you pointed out run a similar system to the one the Raiders run, have a gap-eaters they rotate in. Bernard and Canty don’t generate a lot of sacks, but they specialize in occupying blockers and knocking them back off the LOS. Most importantly, they MAINTAIN GAP DISCIPLINE.
Kelly, on the other hand, sheds his blockers and chases the ball carrier.
It’s possible to generate pressure and still maintain gap discipline. Kelly doesn’t. Maybe you’re right, maybe every defensive coaching staff the Raiders have had since Kelly joined didn’t expect him to stay in his gap, and just wanted him to freelance. I have my doubts about that, though.
Regardless, different players have different skill sets. Kelly is still a highly-paid 3-tech defensive tackle on a roster with one other highly-paid 3-tech, and two younger, cheaper players. Personally, I’d rather the Raiders added a player who brings something different to the table. I don’t know of any defensive scheme that has been successful with two 3-tech DTs with questionable discipline playing next to each other.
March 10th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
O, don’t feel bad…I felt that way yesterday!!
UNLV Rebels vs New Mexico
March 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
This is how the bracket is laid out right now….
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
March 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
TK and RS may not be premier run stoppers but they’re not the main culprits responsible for the Raider run defense stinking.
That responsibility falls mainly on the LB crew and safeties.
Slowlando McLazy is the number one deficiency.
Slowlando doesn’t have the lateral speed, nor the desire to stop the run. He’s not committed. Despite his size, he’s not a banger. Pretty good arm tackler though.
Watch Slowlando jog after FJax in Buffalo and then take another look at the Stafford whiff and tell me with a straight face that this turkey is going to anchor a decent NFL run defense. Please.
Not that he had much help. Branch will come up and bang. Curry will lay the lumber.
Anyone else ?
In fact, who are the other Raid LBs ? I’m not even sure. Kam a LB ? Groves ? Blackstock ?
Yikes.
Safety run support ?
Huff ? That’s a joke.
Mitchell ? Maybe.
Gio ? No.
You want to stop the run ? The entire unit of LBs has to be revamped or replaced.
Due to his draft status and salary, Slowlando will be given a chance at redemption.
Odds of that happening ? Slim to none. Sorry, JFB.
Unfortunately, before the 2012 season is over, the entire Raider Nation will likely be clamoring to…
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
March 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Raiders cut two players, clear even more salary cap space
By Steve Corkran
Friday, March 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
As expected, the Raiders released veteran defensive backs Chris Johnson and Hiram Eugene. The moves save the Raiders approximately $6 million in salary cap space for 2012.
It’s conceivable that one or both players will be re-signed before the season starts. However, the Raiders had to come up with more cap space before the Mar. 13 deadline, and Johnson and Eugene offered obvious targets.
Eugene missed all of last season with a hip injury that he sustained in an exhibition game. Johnson suffered an injury in the regular-season opener, aggravated the injury soon thereafter and missed most of the season.
Both players carved out niches with the Raiders after arriving as free agents. Neither factored much into the Raiders fortunes last season, and they aren’t expected to be key roles moving forward, either.
Cutting Eugene and Johnson are the latest in a series of moves designed to remedy a serious overage on the cap for 2012. The Raiders entered the week some $28 million over — including the $6.2 allotted for safety Tyvon Branch via the franchise tag. They shaved $21 million or so by restructuring the contracts of quarterback Carson Palmer, defensive tackle Richard Seymour and free safety Michael Huff.
In other words, the Raiders are just about in compliance with the league-mandated amount. Even so, they still need to free up quite a bit more money so that they can be active in free agency and sign their 2012 draft picks.
Much of that can be taken care of by cutting defensive tackle John Henderson ($4 million) and restructuring the contract of linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million salary for 2012).
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/03/09/raiders-cut-two-players-clear-even-more-salary-cap-space/
March 10th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I don’t know bout ya’ll, but what them Raidahs been doin lately make me happy. Lovin da koolaid. MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmm-mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
March 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Story of the offseason: cleaning up Al’s messes. Tragic.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RAIDERMAN99, 591
Great post……
I have been saying the same thing for months.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
594.Ohioraider Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Story of the offseason: cleaning up Al’s messes. Tragic.
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Good post Ohio. Thanks for that. AD’s partners should have filed an action years ago to enjoin him from continuing as managing partner. He oppressed his other partners, committing willful and also negligent acts. Unfortunately most believe genius doesn’t die, and an icon is always an icon. That is untrue.
The minority partners could have removed AL and should now keep a close eye on Mark.
I doubt whether AL is resting in peace in his Jewish heaven, but instead is being slapped around and beaten for his sins.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Imo ANY PLAYER on the defense who was on the field on that last drive against Detroit and SD’s last scoring drive is considered suspect and open to being cut, traded, or sent to a Bolivian prison.
I am still not in any frame of mind to accept that anybody on that defense has any value or usable skills or can contribute in any positive way to the Raiders.
Except Tyvon Branch.
In all my years wayching the Raiders I have never seen the defense fold their tents and bend over like that horrendous unit.
It was beyond even my worst Raider nightmares.
I remember thinking and saying out loud on more than one occasion “This isn’t really happening is it?” “This can’t be happening can it?”..etc.
I take solace though when I hear Tommy Kelly say “They saying we’re choke artists, but we ain’t no choke artists”.
Then what WAS it?
March 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Story of the offseason: cleaning up Al’s messes. Tragic.
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What messes exactly?
What has McKenzie done that Al wouldn’t have? I can think of two things — firing Hue and cutting Routt. Both highly questionable moves.
Restructuring Palmer, Seymour, Curry and Huff? Al did that stuff all the time.
Cutting Eugene and CJ who were both due to make too much are not out of line with Al Davis either. Did the Raiders ever fail to get under the cap?
Not saying Al was perfect. By overpaying some guys he put us in greater danger of having to lose them, much like we had to let Nnamdi go. But let’s not pretend that McKenzie is in the midst of this dramatic roster overhaul or that he needs to be.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
DJ Johnny, 597
DJ, I second the motion: garbage in, garbage out.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I take back the part about being shocked about that last SD drive.
I had already seen the same movie, what….6 or so times already during the season, so I KNEW they wouldn’t be able to man up and make the stop to maybe win the division.
I understand though. After all…Denver had already lost and we were at home with our great fans cheering their lungs out in support as they had all year; and we did have them at their 1/2 yard line and all, and SD had nothing to play for really, so I understand how they would just fold like that.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
599.Hardline Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
DJ Johnny, 597
DJ, I second the motion: garbage in, garbage out.
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Can u tell I’m still bitter? Lol.
March 10th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
DJ JOHNNY,POST-597,HAVE BEEN A SEASON TICKET HOLDER 4 MANY YEARS,THAT WAS 1ST GAME I HAVE EVER LEFT EARLY,WAS SO DISGUSTED I COULDNT TAKE IT..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
#602,
It wasn’t fair to you guys.
After seeing that… now I think I’ve seen it all.
Didn’t u have the feeling that if they could’ve just held ‘em down there we were gonna come back and score? And win the game?
March 10th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
1960-comment 542-you know darn well that a few of the knowledgable fans entered the discussion.Normally,this place is full of the SnB type posters who hate and want T.Kelly gone yesterday.Take a poll on here.More people that comment would want him gone than realize he is a good player.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
DJ,I STILL THINK THERE WAS A NON CALL ON A SAFETY..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Do we have any defensive backs anymore?
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Yep, I’m gonna try out. I can act like “toast’ at a very cap friendly number.
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My mother has been dead 4 years (RIP Mom) and I know for a fact she can cover better than Stanford “Burnt Toast” Routt, Chris Johnson or Hiram Eugene!!
March 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Imo ANY PLAYER on the defense who was on the field on that last drive against Detroit and SD’s last scoring drive is considered suspect and open to being cut, traded, or sent to a Bolivian prison.
I am still not in any frame of mind to accept that anybody on that defense has any value or usable skills or can contribute in any positive way to the Raiders.
Except Tyvon Branch.
In all my years wayching the Raiders I have never seen the defense fold their tents and bend over like that horrendous unit.
It was beyond even my worst Raider nightmares.
I remember thinking and saying out loud on more than one occasion “This isn’t really happening is it?” “This can’t be happening can it?”..etc.
I take solace though when I hear Tommy Kelly say “They saying we’re choke artists, but we ain’t no choke artists”.
Then what WAS it?
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The D was awfully bad. It was surreal watching them give up 99 yards and knowing they couldn’t stop 99 1/2 yards yet trying to fathom if you were really watching a D mailing it in for some reason unknown or watching a D that was so bad it was that hard to understand.
March 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
NEW POST..
March 10th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
New post lames
March 10th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 10th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
#602,
It wasn’t fair to you guys.
After seeing that… now I think I’ve seen it all.
Didn’t u have the feeling that if they could’ve just held ‘em down there we were gonna come back and score? And win the game?
I believe they thought that it should have been a safety, in which we would have gotten the ball back…seen it before…that is why i don’t necessarily blame the tuck Rule for losing that game in the snow! We let them come back that night! We let SD have their way on the first day of the year! Not a good way to start the year, but…
May 11th, 2012 at 2:29 am
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