Wimbley, Raiders at stalemate
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, March 11th, 2012 at 1:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The latest on the Kamerion Wimbley situation, via an e-mail from his agent, Joe Linta: “No outgoing calls and no incoming calls.”
If the Raiders have made their final offer and don’t have plans to sweeten the pot, Wimbley will likely be cut before free agency begins or at the very least by March 17.
To review, if Wimbley will get an extra $17.5 million in guaranteed money if he’s on the roster by that date _ his $4.5 million base this season, his $11 million base next season and at least $2 million of his $10 million base in 2014.
This is a different situation than with Stanford Routt, whom the club made no effort to keep. They wanted no part of the contract or the player. The Raiders like Wimbley, but want him to take less money. Wimbley figures he can take his $6.5 million guaranteed from the Raiders and add a rich contract in free agency that will be more money than Oakland has any intention of paying him. He’s a good nickel rusher, but he’s not DeMarcus Ware or Tamba Hali.
Bottom line is the Raiders way overpaid Wimbley last season and essentially priced themselves out of his services when taking into account a more sensible salary structure instituted by general manager Reggie McKenzie.
To lump Wimbley in with the recent contract repairs for Richard Seymour, Carson Palmer and Michael Huff and portray him as selfish isn’t fair. None of those players was asked to take a pay cut, only to move money around to lower the cap number.
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March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
First!
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“I’m sure (Hue Jackson) will get an opportunity (to be a head coach) again some time down the road, because I think he’s a great leader and a great man, and I wish him the best.”
– Rock Cartwright
Team captain and two-time team CTE honoree
This is above and beyond a PC endorsement. It’s clear from the comments made by Cartwright, Seymour, Palmer, Ford and others that the team was very much behind Hue. Can we please put that “Hue lost the team” nonsense to rest now? It’s clear that we changed coaches for one of two reasons: Mark Davis wanted him out as Mike Silver hypothesized; or Reggie McKenzie wanted his own guy (as RM stated) that he could take credit for finding and hiring if things go well, rather than keep Hue and be relegated to a role of secondary importance.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Howdy NATION!
Too bad Al gave KW such a stupid contract I’d like to have him on the team, just not at $29mil of whatever…
March 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Go Raiders
March 11th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Chris, brah, time to get over the Hue Jackson deal. It’s way in the rear view…no longer relevant.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I actually think Wimbley is comparable to Hali. He’ll be the second best pass rusher on the market — behind Mario Williams — and prob get paid another $8 million per on top of the $6 he’ll get from us.
I understand that Al overpaid for him, but I’d keep the guy. Good edge rushers are a valuable commodity and very hard to find. I believe Wimbley is that and could thrive under DA’s scheme. You have to reconcile yourself to the fact that you’re paying probably $3 million per year more than he’s worth, but I’m not sure what the alternatives are.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“I’m sure (Hue Jackson) will get an opportunity (to be a head coach) again some time down the road, because I think he’s a great leader and a great man, and I wish him the best.”
– Rock Cartwright
Team captain and two-time team CTE honoree
This is above and beyond a PC endorsement. It’s clear from the comments made by Cartwright, Seymour, Palmer, Ford and others that the team was very much behind Hue. Can we please put that “Hue lost the team” nonsense to rest now? It’s clear that we changed coaches for one of two reasons: Mark Davis wanted him out as Mike Silver hypothesized; or Reggie McKenzie wanted his own guy (as RM stated) that he could take credit for finding and hiring if things go well, rather than keep Hue and be relegated to a role of secondary importance.
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100% agreed.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Besides, Cartwright’s credibility was reduced, PC comments highlighted by his stating MBush can pick up the blitz”…haha!
March 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Somebody please give Napolean Harris a call. Im sure he’ll come alot cheaper.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Yeah but Chris I think the rub with KW’s contract isn’t necessarily the $11 mil this year, its the other $17.5mil that he’s due going forward. He’s no Julius Peppers but has a monster contract (nearly 10% of total cap number)….
March 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
To lump Wimbley in with the recent contract repairs for Richard Seymour, Carson Palmer and Michael Huff and portray him as selfish isn’t fair. None of those players was asked to take a pay cut, only to move money around to lower the cap number.
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Gee, ya think?
March 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Clemons,Burgess,Wimbley-all pretty much the same player,all easily replaceable.None are in the same class as Ware,Williams ,or any of the elite DEs.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
“Clemons,Burgess,Wimbley-all pretty much the same player,all easily replaceable.None are in the same class as Ware,Williams ,or any of the elite DEs”
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Agreed. Though, I think Wimbley is a little better against the run than Burgess & Clemons were…
March 11th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
JLofty Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Chris, brah, time to get over the Hue Jackson deal. It’s way in the rear view…no longer relevant.
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I hear you. Only brought it up because it was in the previous post and as soon as I saw it and commented I saw a new post was up.
I’m just about ready to put it behind us for now. But it doesn’t go away altogether until Dennis Allen, McKenzie and co get us at least as far as I saw Hue Jackson taking us this year with a quality DC. Which is a 12-4 type season or at least a trip to the second round of the playoffs.
Of course there can be mitigating factors. If Palmer goes down for the season in say Week 6 when we’re 4-2 and McFadden is lost for the second half of the season and something happens where DA is forced to be de facto GM on top of being rookie head coach and still manages to have us in contention for a playoff spot with about 5 minutes left in the season, then I’ll give him a pass. Gotta warn you though: some Raiders decision makers are not so generous.
March 11th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Can we please put that “Hue lost the team” nonsense to rest now? It’s clear that we changed coaches for one of two reasons: Mark Davis wanted him out as Mike Silver hypothesized; or Reggie McKenzie wanted his own guy (as RM stated) that he could take credit for finding and hiring if things go well, rather than keep Hue and be relegated to a role of secondary importance.
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No, Hue was fired because he was an incompetent Head Coach. Yes, Rock Cartwright really liked him. So what? A bunch of players really liked Cable, but I hope you don’t think HE should be the coach.
I don’t care if the players like the coach or not; I just want them to play hard for him and win when it matters. Hue was a complete failure in this department.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Exactly its not about ‘liking’ the coach. Its about respecting him and playing your butt off. Allen must gain respect simple as that
March 11th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I don’t think Hue was incompetent and I also don’t he was about to lead THIS team to 12-4 either.
If I am Reggie McKenzie and just hired as GM of the Post Al Davis Raider org, I clean house 10/10 times. Was it MAYBE a LITTLE unfair to Huge? Sure. Too bad. Bad luck, bad timing, too big a mouth, whatever. I’d start clean too.
But fact is we didn’t do $#it in 2011 and I, for one, am happy with our new Raider overlords…
March 11th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
*think
March 11th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Wimbley is as gone as Al Davis is. Adios. I don’t blame the guy, he’d be an absolute ignoramus to just hand the Raiders millions of dollars back out of the kindness of his heart. I really don’t think he will be all that hard to replace and we will save money in the long run. Is Steven Tulloch still available? I think he’s a better all around LB anyway. Personally, I believe Wimbley should be playing DE in a 4-3.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
If Wimb could stop the run he’d be playing DE in a 4-3…
March 11th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
There are DE that play downs specifically to rush the passer. That’s all he’s good for, that’s what he should be doing. If any of the Raiders guys could stop the run, it would be a moot point.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Wimbley is a one trick pony. He can’t play the run and is frequently out of position unless he is rushing the QB. Plus it’s obvious he isn’t a team player and his loyalty lies with the almighty dollar. Not blaming him for it but if I’m Reggie I release him and just eat it. Face it this team will be eating the sh*t salad Al tossed with these ridiculous contracts and draft pick giveaways. It’s gonna set the org back for the next 3 years. Get some players with heart and competitiveness and roll with them. Better to lose a game with with young fiery competitors than the selfish underachirvers we’ve had the last 9 seasons.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
I bet no sooner than the Raiders announce Wimbley’s release, he takes his 6.5 million and promptly signs a contract with the New England Patriots as a situational pass rushing DE. Thats my bold prediction for the day.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Bill Bellichick has mastered the alchemy of taking Al Davis’ lead and turning it into Robert Kraft’s gold. I can almost see it coming.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Hard to argue that JWB…
But Joker, you cannot blame Kam, he’s got a contract. The Raiders are the ones with a problem. Its business. There is NO loyalty, that’s one of the reason’s Al struggled in the modern era. He never seem to come to terms with that.
But to blame Wimbley or single him out as greedy/non-loyal is simply ignorant…
March 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The feeling seem to be Wimbley is being asked to take a pay cut and that isn’t right.Why shouldn’t he take a cut?He will take one if he signs with another team.Nobody will give him the contract he has now.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
[...] Jerry McDonald reports that the Raiders and Wimbley are at a stalemate. Oakland has made its final offer to Wimbley hoping he’ll remain a Raider for less pay. [...]
March 11th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Hwnrdr-wasn’t it mentioned we were already accounting for Branch’s tag money?
Ok, that makes me feel better…
March 11th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The feeling seem to be Wimbley is being asked to take a pay cut and that isn’t right.Why shouldn’t he take a cut?He will take one if he signs with another team.Nobody will give him the contract he has now.
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He will still have his guaranteed 6.5 million from Al in his pocket when he signs his new deal. That should soften the blow a bit for him.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Good points 22&23, but that’s exactly the problem, when we expected our “PREMIER” pass rushing DE to perform, particularly against Detroit and SD. It didn’t happen. Nothing against Wimbley, just don’t think for the production, he’s worth that kind of contract.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Good points 22&23, but that’s exactly the problem, when we expected our “PREMIER” pass rushing DE to perform, particularly against Detroit and SD. It didn’t happen. Nothing against Wimbley, just don’t think for the production, he’s worth that kind of contract.
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Agreed. He isn’t. That’s why he is getting kicked to the curb. He will sign for less elsewhere, but he will still have Al’s 6.5 mil on top of it. Nobody is going to give him anything near what Davis did. He knows it too.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The feeling seem to be Wimbley is being asked to take a pay cut and that isn’t right.Why shouldn’t he take a cut?He will take one if he signs with another team.Nobody will give him the contract he has now.
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Exactly, thank you. Who’s going to give him 11 mill next year?
Ans: NOBODY!
March 11th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
so what does this deal look like that we are so sure hes isn’t selfish? He had a big day after a knock out by A.Curry to the starting LT of San Diego! If not for the contract he came over with AL couldn’t franchise tag him due to more than the allowed % increase from his rookie contract. How does that fit in?
March 11th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Nobody, including the Oakland Raiders.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Get a kick out of the “why should he take less?” crowd. Umm, because he’s not worth anywhere near his contract and won’t get anything close to it elsewhere. Quit acting like Wimbley is the victim. He knows he struck it rich with Al last year and laughed all the way to the bank.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
raiderlization Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
so what does this deal look like that we are so sure hes isn’t selfish? He had a big day after a knock out by A.Curry to the starting LT of San Diego! If not for the contract he came over with AL couldn’t franchise tag him due to more than the allowed % increase from his rookie contract. How does that fit in?
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Selfish? If someone comes up to you and says “I will give you 10 million dollars or I will give you 5 million dollars, you choose.”, only an imbecille is going to opt for 5 million. That doesn’t make a person selfish, it makes them sane and rational.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Clock is ticking ..
Just a matter of time before that other shoe drops for Wimbley.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
If Wimbley signs a new deal for less money to stay he makes maybe 3 mil this year? If he is cut, he pockets 6,5 mil on top of what he makes if he signs a contract elsewhere for, say, 3 million. 9.5 million elsewhere as opposed to 3 million(give or take) to stay? No brainer. Wimbley already has his bags packed.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
J Hill Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Clock is ticking ..
Just a matter of time before that other shoe drops for Wimbley.
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Before the other shoe drops for Wimbley or for the Raiders? Wimbley wins either way.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Guys give what they call ‘home town discounts’ all the time because they want to remain where they are and not have to move around or just like where they are.Obvious Wimbley doesn’t care if he is a Raider or not-not the type of player we need to get back on top.I want high character players that want to play for my team,not guys like Warren Sapp who are here just to collect a paycheck.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
The 6.5 million is his regardless. We pay Wimbley that if he plays for us or if he plays for someone else.
If we keep Wimbley two more years on his current contract and cut him in 2014 it will cost us 17.5 million (including the 2 million guaranteed for 2014) or 8.75 million per season in addition to the 6.5 million that is already paid. We are stuck with him those two years if we dont cut him by March 17 this year. That’s the problem. Not only is he not worth the entire 11 million per season, he’s not even worth the 8.75 million average per season over the two years that is still owed.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
40.Amen!
March 11th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Wimbley wins either way.
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So will the Raiders!
March 11th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Guys give what they call ‘home town discounts’ all the time because they want to remain where they are and not have to move around or just like where they are.Obvious Wimbley doesn’t care if he is a Raider or not-not the type of player we need to get back on top.I want high character players that want to play for my team,not guys like Warren Sapp who are here just to collect a paycheck.
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Why the fk would Wimbley give the Raiders a hometown discount? You only do that to remain in a place you’ve been a long time or for the opportunity to be on a good team that can contend for a SB. The guy has only been here for two years, and in case you haven’t noticed, we haven’t been to the playoffs in 10 years!
March 11th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
They have a name for those “home town discount” guys. Morons. Nobody in their right mind is going to throw away 6.5 million dollars because it’s inconvenient to move or because Oakland is such a great place to live. Especially someone under the age of 30. Come on, man.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
J Hill Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Wimbley wins either way.
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So will the Raiders!
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I applaud your optimism, but that remains to be seen.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Some of you guys are delusional. You should run for congress. LOL
March 11th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Nobody in their right mind is going to throw away 6.5 million dollars
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And I’m pretty sure all parties involved know this.
The issue is not the 6.5 million, it’s the rest of the contract. Which he is NOT going to see from the Raiders or anyone else.
The question is, why won’t he take the same reasonable contract he is going to get on the open market?
Obviously, he wants to plays somewhere else.
Not a problem imo.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Wimbley signs a new deal for less money to stay he makes maybe 3 mil this year? If he is cut, he pockets 6,5 mil on top of what he makes if he signs a contract elsewhere for, say, 3 million. 9.5 million elsewhere as opposed to 3 million(give or take) to stay? No brainer. Wimbley already has his bags packed.
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If he restructures he wont have to take a paycut this year. He’ll have to take less guaranteed money in the future and he’ll have to sign an extension with optional years at a much lower salary. He’ll still get his 11 million this year one way or another but it wont all count against the cap. All restructuring does is move money around between salaries and bonuses. That’s why there is still hope to reach an agreement. If the future money in the restructure is comparable to what he’ll make in free agency then the only issue left is does Wimbley want to play in Oakland or not? Unfortunately, I dont think he does.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
J Hill Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Nobody in their right mind is going to throw away 6.5 million dollars
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And I’m pretty sure all parties involved know this.
The issue is not the 6.5 million, it’s the rest of the contract. Which he is NOT going to see from the Raiders or anyone else.
The question is, why won’t he take the same reasonable contract he is going to get on the open market?
Obviously, he wants to plays somewhere else.
Not a problem imo.
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How do you know what the “same reasonable contract he is going to get on the open market” is? Or what the Raiders are offering him for that matter? This is the problem I have with these discussions. Nobody speaks with any real knowledge of the situation. We’re all just speaking out of school.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
cut him, move on..
CODE BLACK 2012
March 11th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
He may have only been here 2 years,but the old man overpaid him and he knows it.Who’s to say he’d even be a starter if we hadn’t picked him up?The Raiders,or should I say the old man,helped him show he was a player in this league.I’d say giving the Raiders a HTD would be in order.But I’m not some greedy SOB who believes the end all is the all-mighty dollar.Believe it or not,there are other things that are more important.If you don’t agree,so be it.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
How do you know what the “same reasonable contract he is going to get on the open market” is?
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Same way most of us “knew” what type of dollars Routt would get.
Wimbley is a “good player” and will be paid like one.
I guess you think he might get something along the lines of Avril?
I guess someone could give him that. Curry probably could have gotten more on the open market than he restructured for. Curry obviously wanted to be here. Wimbley, not so obvious.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The feeling seem to be Wimbley is being asked to take a pay cut and that isn’t right.Why shouldn’t he take a cut?He will take one if he signs with another team.Nobody will give him the contract he has now.
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The issue is that Wimbley has leverage. No pass rusher on the team has double digit sack capability and Wimbley gets them in bunches and disappears for stretches.
Davis didnt want him traded, hence the ridiculous contract. Now, the pressure will be on to either overspend for a free agent rusher, or trade up future picks to get one decent rusher in the draft , or hope to find a sleeper pick in the 5th round?
March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
uglyorc,
#41 and 49…Nice job.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
He may have only been here 2 years,but the old man overpaid him and he knows it.Who’s to say he’d even be a starter if we hadn’t picked him up?The Raiders,or should I say the old man,helped him show he was a player in this league.I’d say giving the Raiders a HTD would be in order.But I’m not some greedy SOB who believes the end all is the all-mighty dollar.Believe it or not,there are other things that are more important.If you don’t agree,so be it.
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Picked him up?? You act like we signed this guy off street corner or something. We traded a 3rd round pick to acquire him. And again, you have absolutely no clue whether or not he “knows” Al overpaid him. Nobody does. Bottom line is the guy is damn good. The Raiders need to sht or get off the pot.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
J Hill Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
How do you know what the “same reasonable contract he is going to get on the open market” is?
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Same way most of us “knew” what type of dollars Routt would get.
Wimbley is a “good player” and will be paid like one.
I guess you think he might get something along the lines of Avril?
I guess someone could give him that. Curry probably could have gotten more on the open market than he restructured for. Curry obviously wanted to be here. Wimbley, not so obvious.
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I think Avril is a good comparison. He got franchised, right? Similar players IMO.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
maybe Wimbley realizes the rest of the AFC West has caught on to his Left shoulder dip…much like the AFC north. Thats why he changes scenery every couple of years isnt it?
March 11th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
The guy isn’t damn good.3 sacks in 15 games does not equate to an elite player.His main job was to rush the passer and he didn’t even lead the team in the only positive aspect of his game.And knowing how the old man was overpaying for players his last few years,saying we gave up a 3rd rounder isn’t a badge of honor. We gave a 4th for Campbell when no one else offered anything.We gave a 3rd for Pryor when no one else would give anything that high.We took Mitchell in the 2nd …Hopefully you get the picture.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Reggie “Juice” McKenzie – “The Rain”
(I saw you)
Hey hey Kamerion how ya doin’ come on in here
(Walking in the rain)
Got a new contract on the desk waitin for ya
Listen first things first let’s stop the b.s
(You made no plays and we’ll)
Yeah how was your last season
Did you make any plays
(Never be the same)
You did? Yeah? I missed it on tape
I missed it on tape so I had to look at that contract
(I saw you)
That’s right now close your mouth
‘Cause you cold busted
(Cashing all those checks)
Now just sit down here, sit down here
I’m so upset with you I don’t know what to do
(You were missing plays and we’ll)
You know my first impulse was to cut you
And put you on the road
(Never be the same)
I was about to jam you and flat blast both of you
But I didn’t wanna pay this six and a half-million dollar guarantee
So instead I chilled — That’s right chilled
I called up the bank and took out every dime.
Than I cancelled all your credit cards…
Al stuck you up for every sack you didn’t make!
Don’t go lookin’ in that locker ’cause everything you came here with is
packed up and waiting for you in the locker room. What were you thinking?
You don’t mess with Reggie!
Al gave you guaranteed money, $30 million and a starting job.
Al gave you things you couldn’t even pronounce!
But now I can’t give you nothing but advice.
Cause you’re still young, yeah, you’re young.
And you’re gonna find somebody like me one of these days . . .
Until then, you know what you gotta do?
You gotta get on outta here with that QB pressure-b’s,
no sack in crunch time-1st round bust I saw you with. Cause you dismissed!
That’s right, Silly rabbit, tricks are made for kids, don’t you know that. You without me is like corn flakes without the milk! This is my
world. You’re just a squirrel trying to get a nut! Now get on outta here. Scat!
Shoulda restrucutured…
March 11th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
No pass rusher on the team has double digit sack capability
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Disagree.
ShoNasty is twice the player Wimbley is.
I’d plug him in at elephant OLB and just move on.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
2.Chris in NY Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“I’m sure (Hue Jackson) will get an opportunity (to be a head coach) again some time down the road, because I think he’s a great leader and a great man, and I wish him the best.”
– Rock Cartwright
Team captain and two-time team CTE honoree
This is above and beyond a PC endorsement. It’s clear from the comments made by Cartwright, Seymour, Palmer, Ford and others that the team was very much behind Hue. Can we please put that “Hue lost the team” nonsense to rest now? It’s clear that we changed coaches for one of two reasons: Mark Davis wanted him out as Mike Silver hypothesized; or Reggie McKenzie wanted his own guy (as RM stated) that he could take credit for finding and hiring if things go well, rather than keep Hue and be relegated to a role of secondary importance.
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Chris,
Are you simple enough to believe that a sports figure in an interview to be nationally published will ever speak his mind truthfully?? That would be very rare, indeed.
You can’t say that Hue had the love of the players based on interviews of those players; they always speak falsely.
Look what happened to Hue when he spoke his true mind at his befated last interview. He was fired as HC and had a very hard time finding employment; some suggest the only reason the Bengals hired him is because he dropped the “greatest trade in sports” (of great benefit to the Bengals)at their feet.
The Mark Silver theory is blog filler completely based on hearsay evidence that Silver dreamed up. What would the new owner Mark Davis care if his father dressed him down at a meeting in which Hue was present?
Hue was totally incompetent, a lousy game manager, a self admitted liar, a braggart, and a “bully” who couldn’t back up his own words. Hue did nothing beyond what Cable had done with a much worse roster.
Most importantly, Hue carried AL’s disasterous taint, and had to go.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I think Avril is a good comparison
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I don’t think Wimbley is as good as Avril if you are comparing them as 4-3 DEs.
Look, I’m not here to bash Wimbley. I like the kid. Would like to see him return.
Just doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen and I can understand the Raiders line of thinking. I can also understand Wimbley wanting to take advantage af being a free agent. No biggie, both sides will be just fine.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
There’s no point overpaying for a player as Holy as Wimbley
There’s just too many other positions we can adress with that 11m
March 11th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
J Hill
ShoNasty @ Lb…boy would i like to see that experiment
March 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Chris in NY Says:
You have to reconcile yourself to the fact that you’re paying probably $3 million per year more than he’s worth, but I’m not sure what the alternatives are.
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Chris,
The alternative(s)is go out and find a young and merciless gun slinger who out performs Wembley. Set his contract up on a low base salary with performance incentives that could lead to substantial multi-million dollar sums.
There are plenty of them out there. When Burgess was released I can’t remember missing him at all. We found a new one: Wembley, which our fearless leader AD vastly overpaid. Hopefully that won’t happen again.
All this notwithstanding, Wembley is not an elite player.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Hardline Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Chris in NY Says:
You have to reconcile yourself to the fact that you’re paying probably $3 million per year more than he’s worth, but I’m not sure what the alternatives are.
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Chris,
The alternative(s)is go out and find a young and merciless gun slinger who out performs Wembley. Set his contract up on a low base salary with performance incentives that could lead to substantial multi-million dollar sums.
There are plenty of them out there. When Burgess was released I can’t remember missing him at all. We found a new one: Wembley, which our fearless leader AD vastly overpaid. Hopefully that won’t happen again.
All this notwithstanding, Wembley is not an elite player.
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The difference is with Burgess, we fleeced NE out of a draft pick for a disgruntled player who never showed up for offseason workouts. In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
J Hill,I agree,I’d like to see him stay,but under our conditions,not his.I don’t believe he wants to stay or he would work with the team on his contract.I also don’t believe he is elite but a good situational player.My feeling is as always-when you wear a Raider uniform,I root for you.When you don’t want to wear our uniform and move on-so long and good luck-unless you go to KC,SD,Den,SF,and anywhere the Rat or Marty might be coaching.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
ShoNasty @ Lb…boy would i like to see that experiment
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He’s rushing the passer 98% of the time.
Move him around (this is where the chess player stuff comes in) based on what the offense is doing.
Same type of thing Phillips was doing with Mario Williams.
March 11th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Need players who want to play football. Need players who know how to play football. Need players who will go all out on every play. Do we have those kind of players or do we just throw money at players for the sake of it? You tell me. But I already know. We need more ball players who want to play football, not just load their whellbarrow with cash and roll it to the bank.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
When Burgess was released I can’t remember missing him at all. We found a new one: Wembley,
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That’s a damn good point mayne!
March 11th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
The Drifter Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Need players who want to play football. Need players who know how to play football. Need players who will go all out on every play. Do we have those kind of players or do we just throw money at players for the sake of it? You tell me. But I already know. We need more ball players who want to play football, not just load their whellbarrow with cash and roll it to the bank.
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There isn’t a player in the history of professional sports that ddin’t want to “load their whellbarrow with cash and roll it to the bank”.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.
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If only that were the whole story.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
JFB,
I know you’re lurking …
Are you ready to admit your Bynum analysis was a bit off?
March 11th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Raidahs are gonna win the AFC West this season and march deep into the playoffs. Print it!
March 11th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.
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“Damn good player?” HAHAHAHA. We’re talking about the guy with 3 sacks in 15 games, right? The same guy who can’t play the run any better than you or I can and can only cover slightly better than that. And you want to guarantee this sack of lazy another $19 million? Glad Reggie Mac’s the GM and not you.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
joker94583 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Wimbley is a one trick pony. He can’t play the run and is frequently out of position unless he is rushing the QB. Plus it’s obvious he isn’t a team player and his loyalty lies with the almighty dollar. Not blaming him for it but if I’m Reggie I release him and just eat it. Face it this team will be eating the sh*t salad Al tossed with these ridiculous contracts and draft pick giveaways. It’s gonna set the org back for the next 3 years. Get some players with heart and competitiveness and roll with them. Better to lose a game with with young fiery competitors than the selfish underachirvers we’ve had the last 9 seasons.
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Excellent post, couldn’t have said it better myself
March 11th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Kelly had more sacks than Wimbley last year. That says it all. Wimbley was just ordinary last year and certainly wasn’t an elite pass rusher. Take away his game against San Diego’s 3rd string OLT and he actually had a very poor performing year. And for this he expects to be rewarded? Not in my lifetime. Cut him. we can do better. If we meet him in the future, I have no doubt that Veldheer will have no problem in crunching him into the ground. He will be a non-event.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Jerry and Steve, thank you for the hard work today! Informative and appreciated!
Go Raiders!~
March 11th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.
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DEBO also thinks JaLoser was a great talent too! Good thing he’s not a talent scout for the Raiders. Stick to the peanut league DEBO, you simply do not have a clue.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
All this salary drama because Al made a mistake and had to franchise Wimbley in a panic move before the lockout.
He has a ridiculously overblown contract due to Al’s mistake, and now is unwilling to give up the leverage he has.
I think he should be let go, even though the dead money won’t be small…
He’s all about Kam, not the team….
March 11th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I’m going to bet one of my smooth silky balls that the Raiders keep Wimbley for the reason he’s a talent who will get better because we now have better coaching, not the dregs we had last season. ReggieMatic will make a deal work for both parties and the new life coach will teach Wimbley there’s more to life than being a multi millionaire.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
There are no days off in the NFL. Get er done already Reggie! I’m tired of so much talk of Kam, I like him and thinks he’s a good situational player but if the numbers won’t work let’s cut him now and go on our way, this isn’t the last ” bad” contract left to work on.
The Raiders will be fine either way!
Go Raiders!
Code Black with blaring sirens an flashing lights!!!!
Real excited about the direction Reggie an Co. Has us headed! I see championships in the future!
March 11th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
“In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.”
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Debo,
What you say is true. However, the team would owe Wembley a total of $25.5 guaranteed money through 2014. If Wembley were released today, we would save $19M in the long run.
Let us compare Wembley with Jared Allen, both of whom make approximately $11M per season.
Jared Allen with 22 sacks this past season, giving Allen 105 career sacks in 8 seasons, also with 5 career INT’s. Allen also has 26 forced fumbles with 16 recoveries, 41 passes defended, and 53 stuffs.
Wembley on the other hand had 7 sacks this past season with 42.5 sacks with 2 INT’s in 6 seasons. Wembley also had 8 forced fumbles with 3 recovered, 8 passes defended with 25 stuffs – all in 6 seasons.
If one does the math between seasons played, Allen 8, and Wembley 6, Wembley has had only 75% of the opportunities Allen had. At a 75% ratio Allens performance breaks down as follows:
Total career stats: sacks 78.75, with 3.75 INT’s, 19.5 forced fumbles with 12 recoveries, 30.75 passes defended, and 39.75 stuffs.
Allen’s production has been approximately twice that of Wembley. The only category where the two players are comparable is tackles.
I think that giving up $6.5M in guaranteed money to save $19M makes sense regarding a player who makes the same money as one of the best LB in football, but with approximately half the production.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Stupid lakers talking like kobe had an epiphany cuz he didn’t take the last shot for once, laughable.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Explained very well hardline in # 84. Thanks for putting into perspective for others.
Like I said, Raiders gonna be alright w/ or w/ out Kam! He’s good, but only for the right price.
Code Black with Sirens and Flashing Lights !!!!
March 11th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Great way to kill a Raider blog-start talking NBA garbage.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Stfu with all the religious,political, racial bs being spewed around here one nba conment doesn’t hurt lefty
March 11th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
*comment
March 11th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@ # 60…..applause! Very good bro!
March 11th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
80.JB Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.
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DEBO also thinks JaLoser was a great talent too! Good thing he’s not a talent scout for the Raiders. Stick to the peanut league DEBO, you simply do not have a clue.
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Well, if u consider his physical abilities like being able to throw the ball 100 yds. from his knees or having the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line…than Jamarcus was/is a “talent”, but he is widely considered by everyone to be one of the biggest busts in sports history. Deservedly so.
He deserves ZERO respect for anything.
He didn’t even try and had a horrible work ethic. Last one in first one out according to teammates.
He is what is known as A GRADE A LOSER and will always be one.
March 11th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
So what are the next cuts or restructured?
My thoughts:
Cut J. Henderson ( Like him just not sure he has anything left)
Restructre T. Kelly (contrary to many I like him and thinks he should stay)
Which kinda leads me off tangent to the topic of run defense.
I’ve seen times when our defense made a point to stop the run for a game here or there and many times were sucessful, only to revert back to form the next game(s). It’s all about discipline, gap integrity and desire. Our current players can do that its just that in the past there has been no discipline or accountability because as long as you were on of Al’s guys there would be no repercussions.
That has now changed! I expect problems directly related to a lack of discipline and accountability such as stopping the run and penalties to dramatically improve right off the bat. As for the penalty problem that may take a little longer because were talking about the Oakland Raiders after all!!!
Go Raiders! Code Black!
Blaring Sirens an Flashing Lights!!!!!!
March 11th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
# 92,
If u look at the games we stopped the run, the pass yardage was off the charts and IF we stopped the pass…the run D was horrible.
It comes down to teams were able to do anything they wanted to the D anytime they wanted.
Our “D” wouldn’t be able to stop Austin freaking Peay.
Their signature move is always to look at the other players and raise their hands saying ‘what happened’?
March 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
…..applause! Very good bro!
91.DJ Johnny Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
80.JB Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
In this situation, we’re paying $6.5M to a damn good player with great character to NOT play for us.
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DEBO also thinks JaLoser was a great talent too! Good thing he’s not a talent scout for the Raiders. Stick to the peanut league DEBO, you simply do not have a clue.
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Well, if u consider his physical abilities like being able to throw the ball 100 yds. from his knees or having the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line…than Jamarcus was/is a “talent”, but he is widely considered by everyone to be one of the biggest busts in sports history. Deservedly so.
He deserves ZERO respect for anything.
He didn’t even try and had a horrible work ethic. Last one in first one out according to teammates.
He is what is known as A GRADE A LOSER and will always be one.
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I think we’ve seen the last few years how extensive the draft process is. NFL security does background checks. There are interviews with the players, their teammates and former coaches. Football people pore over game tape. Prospects take tests such as the Wonderlic and give personal workouts for interested teams. After all that, JaMarcus was drafted #1 overall folks. Does anyone really believe that happened just because he’s “able to throw the ball 100 yds from his knees or has the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line”??? Please think before you write.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Our DC last year could not have scripted a worse D than what he saw. One could say you almost have to be really good to be that bad, but not for last years D. They really were that bad. One big collective pile of dog log bad.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I think we’ve seen the last few years how extensive the draft process is. NFL security does background checks. There are interviews with the players, their teammates and former coaches. Football people pore over game tape. Prospects take tests such as the Wonderlic and give personal workouts for interested teams. After all that, JaMarcus was drafted #1 overall folks. Does anyone really believe that happened just because he’s “able to throw the ball 100 yds from his knees or has the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line”??? Please think before you write.
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Obviously, they didn’t investigate his character or work ethic very well…
March 11th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
One question that will never be answered is: Would any other team besides Oakland have drafted JaMarRu besides Oakland? Gentlemen, please keep your comments short so we may give all debaters time on the floor. Begin.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I think we’ve seen the last few years how extensive the draft process is. NFL security does background checks. There are interviews with the players, their teammates and former coaches. Football people pore over game tape. Prospects take tests such as the Wonderlic and give personal workouts for interested teams. After all that, JaMarcus was drafted #1 overall folks. Does anyone really believe that happened just because he’s “able to throw the ball 100 yds from his knees or has the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line”??? Please think before you write.
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He was drafted #1 because the old man IGNORED all the red flag data that was given to him.There were many reports questioning the Bust,although I was also happy with the pick.He didn’t work out,but the questions were there and were made public.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I think we’ve seen the last few years how extensive the draft process is. NFL security does background checks. There are interviews with the players, their teammates and former coaches. Football people pore over game tape. Prospects take tests such as the Wonderlic and give personal workouts for interested teams. After all that, JaMarcus was drafted #1 overall folks. Does anyone really believe that happened just because he’s “able to throw the ball 100 yds from his knees or has the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line”??? Please think before you write.
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He was drafted #1 because the old man IGNORED all the red flag data that was given to him.There were many reports questioning the Bust,although I was also happy with the pick.He didn’t work out,but the questions were there and were made public.
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Every draft prospect in the history of this league will have questions. I’ve never heard a negative word about Sam Bradford’s work ethic or his contract, yet he struggled mightily this past season and the Rams were picking 2nd in the draft two years after taking him #1. Please explain to me how that happened if it’s not about his work ethic. I’ll be waiting.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
i like the fact raiders are silent on wimbley and his agent is starting to squeel like a pig! It’s obvious who the desperate party is? isnt it?
March 11th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
yeh we lose 6.5 but the parties over!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Hollah Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
One question that will never be answered is: Would any other team besides Oakland have drafted JaMarRu besides Oakland? Gentlemen, please keep your comments short so we may give all debaters time on the floor. Begin.
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This one is easy. He probably goes #2 to Detroit if we take Calvin. But he drops no lower than #3 to the Browns.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Does anyone really believe that happened just because he’s “able to throw the ball 100 yds from his knees or has the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line”??? Please think before you write.
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I wouldn’t doubt it. Raider history is littered with guys that had all the physical tools in the world and couldn’t play.
In fact, that’s part of Al Davis’ legacy. So is hanging on to players he drafted forever, regardless of performance. The fact that he released his highest and most publicized pick ever only three years into his career speaks for itself.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
jamarcus might not have been 1st qb if raiders didnt pick-had one great college game
March 11th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
You can stop waiting now.
Every draft prospect in the history of this league will have questions. I’ve never heard a negative word about Sam Bradford’s work ethic or his contract, yet he struggled mightily this past season and the Rams were picking 2nd in the draft two years after taking him #1. Please explain to me how that happened if it’s not about his work ethic. I’ll be waiting.
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After battling a high ankle sprain all season, St. Louis Rams quarterback Sam Bradford is likely to be shut down for the Rams’ remaining two games.
Bradford, who missed Weeks 6, 7 and 13, was in a walking boot again last week and missed the Rams’ game against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Apparently the Seattle Seahawks’ game was the last straw, in which Bradford said the injury compromised his mechanics and put more stress on his arm, per ESPN.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
mikeschoice Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
jamarcus might not have been 1st qb if raiders didnt pick-had one great college game
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JaMarcus was 1st-team All-SEC in the unquestioned top conference in football. He was 21-4 as a starter for his career, and his junior year threw 28 tds against just 8 picks with a 67% completion percentage. If you really believe he only had one good game in college, I don’t know what to tell you.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Debo,why can’t you admit there were many questions about his dedication and work ethic?Bradford was injured.Maybe he isn’t as good as people thought he was.I don’t follow the Lambs so I can’t explain why he did poorly.But I do follow the Raiders and have heard more interviews than I care to remember that questioned his work ethic and dedication to the game.Chris Landry who heads a scouting bureau that is based in Louisiana and has close ties to LSU and the bust has said many times the bust didn’t have the heart to be an NFL QB.All the analysts on ESPN and NFLN questioned him.He failed because he didn’t give a damn,not because he wasn’t talented,although throwing passes into the ground on 10 yarders and sailing the ball waaaaaaay over his receivers heads could be seen as a problem to anyone with an open mind,which is obvious you don’t have.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Kamerion, shrug, some sacks, next.
Pass rushers make the Mendoza Line in baseball seem like superstardom.
30-35 pass plays/game X 16 = 480-570 pass plays/year
10 or even 20 sacks/year is a paltry percentage
March 11th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
What’s up raider nation! I am drunk so please excuse the typos!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
tell me he sucked as a pro and it was the biggest draft bust of all time!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
edward teach Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
You can stop waiting now.
Every draft prospect in the history of this league will have questions. I’ve never heard a negative word about Sam Bradford’s work ethic or his contract, yet he struggled mightily this past season and the Rams were picking 2nd in the draft two years after taking him #1. Please explain to me how that happened if it’s not about his work ethic. I’ll be waiting.
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After battling a high ankle sprain all season, St. Louis Rams quarterback Sam Bradford is likely to be shut down for the Rams’ remaining two games.
Bradford, who missed Weeks 6, 7 and 13, was in a walking boot again last week and missed the Rams’ game against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Apparently the Seattle Seahawks’ game was the last straw, in which Bradford said the injury compromised his mechanics and put more stress on his arm, per ESPN.
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Wow, an injury in week 6 is the excuse, huh? The Rams started the season 0-6 though. They won their 1st game behind A.J. Feely! But he’s not a bust or a lazy POS??? Mighty generous of you.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Dakota,
you made no typos so does that mean we are observing a status quo?
March 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
how many teams have offered jabustus a 3rd string back up role?
March 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Wimbley had one great game against SD’s back up LT. Aside from that he was a slightly below average pass rusher. Al created this situation by overpaying him.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
raider debo is drinking purpledrank……………..
March 11th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
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I think we’ve seen the last few years how extensive the draft process is. NFL security does background checks. There are interviews with the players, their teammates and former coaches. Football people pore over game tape. Prospects take tests such as the Wonderlic and give personal workouts for interested teams. After all that, JaMarcus was drafted #1 overall folks. Does anyone really believe that happened just because he’s “able to throw the ball 100 yds from his knees or has the ability to throw a 30 yard strike on a line”??? Please think before you write.
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I’m not saying it was necessarily a horrible call by Al Davis to draft him.
Mel Kiper, one of the most respected draft grus in the biz said Russell would be “franchise QB” and “in five years be on the level of John Elway”.
I think Al has taken way more crap than what he deserved for Russell.
I agree the guy has enormous QB talent, but…what I’m saying is once he was drafted his true colors showed through. He proved by his lack of work ethic and lacka daisacal attitude and his inability or unwillingness to take responsibility for his failures, not staying in shape etc. etc. etc. that he is piece of garbage and one of the biggest losers to ever wear an NFL uniform.
The fact that he DID have great physical skills and completely wasted them makes him even more of a loser.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Mikeschoice,
if I was given a lotto sum of 30+ million dollars I wouldn’t be anyone’s backup or third-string or fourth.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I lOve you guys!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
TYpo!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
tell tale was the holdout to begin with-hostaged us-should have cut losses right there.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Watched blue man grouP last night… They spotlighted me and asked me to lead the national anthem. I was willing, but they were kidding.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Debo,why can’t you admit there were many questions about his dedication and work ethic?Bradford was injured.Maybe he isn’t as good as people thought he was.I don’t follow the Lambs so I can’t explain why he did poorly.But I do follow the Raiders and have heard more interviews than I care to remember that questioned his work ethic and dedication to the game.Chris Landry who heads a scouting bureau that is based in Louisiana and has close ties to LSU and the bust has said many times the bust didn’t have the heart to be an NFL QB.All the analysts on ESPN and NFLN questioned him.He failed because he didn’t give a damn,not because he wasn’t talented,although throwing passes into the ground on 10 yarders and sailing the ball waaaaaaay over his receivers heads could be seen as a problem to anyone with an open mind,which is obvious you don’t have.
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I never said there weren’t questions about his work ethic. But it obviously wasn’t a big enough issue that he didn’t get drafted #1. There were questions about Cam Newton’s work ethic too, remember? My point in bringing up Bradford is that there are several other reasons why a young QB on a bad team struggles. With Bradford, I couldn’t name you a decent starting WR he’s had besides Brandon Lloyd who they picked up during the season. Pass protection was terrible. Steven Jackson was the whole offense. Not to mention the turnover with the playcallers going from Shurmer to McDanniels. Your O will struggle in that situation. And JR dealt with worse here. This organization owed him more time IMO.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
theres alot more to playing qb in nfl than college-much faster and the reads are more important than arm strgth alone
March 11th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
JaLoser may have some $$$ left to spend but he can sleep well knowing that his name will forever be synonomous with LOSER.
Look up any list. Google it; whatever, and he is ranked at THE top or very close as one of the biggest sports busts in history.
His very name. You say “Jamarcus Russell” and people laugh. He’s a punchline. A bad joke.
So when all the money is gone, and his white mink pimp jackets go out of style, and all the gold ‘bling’ has been hocked at the pawn shop, all this waste will eb left with is the knowledge that the only “legacy” he left for anyone is as an example of how NOT to live your life.
“Jamarcus Russell” is a term people use to denote “LOSER”.
He can ponder that as his legacy.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Fuk Russell!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
even LSU alum @ my country club are embarrssed at the mention of his name!
March 11th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I thought the questions about Cam had to do more with character than work ethic.But,since you brought him up,lets compare.Cam worked his a$$ off once he was drafted to prove people wrong about him.The Bust never did that.He was fat,out of shape,and refused to put in the time necessary to excel at being an NFL QB.Putting Newton and the Bust in the same sentence is an insult to Cam Newton.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Later guys,continue on.
March 11th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I don’t know of any GM in history who’s draft record isn’t littered with bust of every kind you can think of. Because the draft is an inexact science no one knows for sure until a kid plays. This is one reason I don’t waste my time in here anymore, is because people seem to want to think a GM should be clairvoyant. Well the NFL doesn’t and never will have the perfect GM. In fact the vast majority of them have a low percentage of real success.
Everybody praises the Pat’s because they found Brady in the 6th LOL. Well go back to that draft year and you’ll see every pick except him in their draft was a BUM. Examine their drafts over the past few years and you’ll see a worse performance than the Raiders. What keeps them afloat is that QB the lucked up on. The same is true with Indy they lose one player and can’t win, what does that tell ya’? That’s why they fired the GM and the coaches.
Scott Pioli was suposed to get KC to heaven but has signed one bad contract after another. Starting with the Cassell contract and look at the mess the Cards made with Kolb.
Guys you have to be a lot lucky and very smart to win in the environment. The NFL is very unforgiving it grinds a lot of the best football players right out. That’s why you have to constantly feed the beast (draft). You have every team trying to clean out bad contracts because players don’t always perform and when you are trying everything you can to win before you die you are going to make some bad decisions.
The old man was swinging for the fences he just didn’t hit it over them…………period
March 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
thats why the sucessful teams arent as obsessed with1st round picks – look at the giants with manningham? and buress? AL would have PAID these guys FOR LIFE!
March 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
bad business
March 11th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I thought the questions about Cam had to do more with character than work ethic.But,since you brought him up,lets compare.Cam worked his a$$ off once he was drafted to prove people wrong about him.The Bust never did that.He was fat,out of shape,and refused to put in the time necessary to excel at being an NFL QB.Putting Newton and the Bust in the same sentence is an insult to Cam Newton.
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Fair enough. But answer this question honestly for me. You’re the #1 rated QB prospect and you can go to the Raiders or the Panthers. The Raiders have Kwame Harris at LT and Cornell Green at RT, DHB and Murphy as rookies at WR and Zack Miller at TE. Cable is the HC with Tollner and Buddy Whackit as the OC and QB coach respectively. On the other hand, Carolina has Jordan Gross at LT, Ryan Kalil at center and Jeff Otah at RT. Steve Smith starts at WR and they have Shockey and Greg Olsen at TE. Plus they have Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams at RB. Rob Chudzinski runs the offense. Who would you hope drafts you?
March 11th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
We will win.
We will win.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I wanted Calvin Johnson. His talent probably would have been wasted here and he’d probably be playing for the Patriots by now. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Too much time is wasted looking backward instead of forward in this blog. Next order of business is to find a legit #2 QB and some linebackers.Maybe we can get Kolb to be #2 after AZ signs Manning.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
He was drafted #1 because the old man IGNORED all the red flag data that was given to him.
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JFC. What a moronic statement. He was drafted number one because Al was DESPERATE for a QB and he was the best one available through the draft.
All draft picks are crap shoots.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
If Russell wanted another chance, why not simply learn the playbook? Or would that have taken away from his Purple Drank time?
March 11th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I wanted Calvin Johnson. His talent probably would have been wasted here and he’d probably be playing for the Patriots by now. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Too much time is wasted looking backward instead of forward in this blog. Next order of business is to find a legit #2 QB and some linebackers.Maybe we can get Kolb to be #2 after AZ signs Manning.
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Calvin Johnson is set to make 22 million this coming year, and if the Lions wanted to franchise him after that they would be on the hook for 27.5 million.
Assuming we drafted him and he performed up to the standard he has in Detroit, that would be an intersting discussion in here.
22 million would be just short of 20% of our entire cap number this year.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Go lakers
March 11th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
i like reggie and dennis statements about getting away from the big name FA’s
March 11th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Big name free agents? When was the last time we signed a big name free agent? Al just gave pos free agents big money. Or his own players big money due to dementia.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Fair enough. But answer this question honestly for me. You’re the #1 rated QB prospect and you can go to the Raiders or the Panthers. The Raiders have Kwame Harris at LT and Cornell Green at RT, DHB and Murphy as rookies at WR and Zack Miller at TE. Cable is the HC with Tollner and Buddy Whackit as the OC and QB coach respectively. On the other hand, Carolina has Jordan Gross at LT, Ryan Kalil at center and Jeff Otah at RT. Steve Smith starts at WR and they have Shockey and Greg Olsen at TE. Plus they have Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams at RB. Rob Chudzinski runs the offense. Who would you hope drafts you?
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I don’t think JaMoneys problems had anything at all to do with what team drafted him.
It coulda been the Patriots and he would have flamed out just as blazingly.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Dakota Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Big name free agents? When was the last time we signed a big name free agent? Al just gave pos free agents big money. Or his own players big money due to dementia.
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Do you get erections by kicking dead people while in the grave?
March 11th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
know weyed reseever is wurth 22 milyun dolers.
da Lie-uns is scrued.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Talkin about JaBustus? The guy didn’t put in the effort. Period end of story.
The What If? question means nothing…..no effort means no chance
March 11th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
SnB,
but JaFailed wasn’t dishonest. He never gave a ratz azz from day one.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Al’s own son brings in a GM and a coach on maddens advice and says it’s a NEW ERA . ie “the old way doesnt work” is that kicking his dad in grave?
March 11th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
One need look no further than the QBs selected 1-2 in the 1998 draft to put Russell’s situation in perspective.
Peyton Manning went to the Colts at #1, Ryan Leaf to the Chargers at #2. Both were bad teams, or they wouldn’t have been picking that high.
Manning worked his ass off and became one of the all time greats. Rivers didn’t and is now regarded as one of the biggest draft busts of all time.
Simple, really.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Mikeschoice,
whaddyawant? Mark to do the same ol’ same ol’? change is inevitable as is death.
If ya wanna do the same thing as every other ancestor then it means either they were perfect or you are insane.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Blackbeard,
Rivers, Leaf, comme ci comme ca.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
This is true, Lonetree.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Russell didn’t want to put in the work necessary to succeed, if it were easier he’d still be here but it aint. There are no days off for a starting QB in this league and he didn’t want to work that hard……….period
As for Reggie Mck I am very hopeful, but I think most fans are a bit naive when it comes to him. They think he has some magic wan or just because he isn’t Big Al he’s bound to succeed. That is a pie in the sky viewpoint.
Reggie has the odds stacked against him, his best asset is the QB he has and the young talent he inherits on offense. He also was smart enough to know he needed a leader on defense (Seymour).
He knows talent but biulding a winning team is much more than stockpiling talent. If I were him I would’ve hired a vet coach who has won in this league to help me with the talent I give him. Next I would hire a vet GM someone I can talk with in dealing with other GM’s in the league. Trades are as important as draft picks sometimes more. Dealing with the league was Mr Davis strength I think that’s where Reggie will struggle.
My honest opinion is Mark Davis may have to go through a few GM’s and coaches before he gets the right mix. Catching lightning in a bottle your first effort is just next to impossible. There will be growing pains for everyone especially this new HC.
March 11th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I think the real reason the Chargers traded Eli on draft day is that he wasn’t enough of a drama queen for them.
They do seem to like those high-strung quarterbacks.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Great post, Priest. I hope we do “catch lightning in a bottle”, but I think you’re right to not be too excited right off the bat.
He most definitely is hamstrung this year. I suppose the good thing about that is that he knew what he was getting himself into, and did it anyway. Makes me think that he really wanted to be a Raider again. I look at that as a real positive.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Well now we know where Priesttj stands. McKenzie and Allen will be failures. I happen to disagree but we’ll see.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
My honest opinion is Mark Davis may have to go through a few GM’s and coaches before he gets the right mix. Catching lightning in a bottle your first effort is just next to impossible. There will be growing pains for everyone especially this new HC.
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That’s about as pessistic as it gets. I agree that there will be growing pains…but to go through a few GM adn coaches suggests another 10 years of losing…
I sincerely hope that is not the case. Let’s see how the roster and a season or two shakes out.
The good news is that Reggie McKenzie comes highly regarded by people that know the Raiders….
March 11th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
edward teach Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I think the real reason the Chargers traded Eli on draft day is that he wasn’t enough of a drama queen for them.
They do seem to like those high-strung quarterbacks.
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They traded him because he wasn’t going to sign with them. Smart move. Elway made a smart move as well.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
BHP,
ReggieMc is the very best nonManagingGeneralPartnerGeneralManager the Raiders have ever had and once ReggieMc has had a chance to configure his vision we’ll see.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
edward teach Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I think the real reason the Chargers traded Eli on draft day is that he wasn’t enough of a drama queen for them.
They do seem to like those high-strung quarterbacks.
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They traded him because he wasn’t going to sign with them. Smart move. Elway made a smart move as well.
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I know the story, Debo. I was making a joke.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Debo,
Eli’s daddy said “boo” so he wouldn’t go to SD.
Elway was right to say no to Daddy Irsay, but in reality he could’ve been traded to any franchise.
Smart? not necessarily. luck of who traded for ‘em.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
To say or predict RM is going to fail is as pessimistic as it gets. Do us a favor and don’t come to the games and definitely don’t start cheering for us when we win.
Have some patience, it’s not like we are in the best division in football or we have lost any significant personnel.
we will contend for the division and wouldn’t be surprised if we won a playoff game.
Debbie Downers…..
March 11th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
303,
you have to understand that BHP (Tj) no longer has any privileges at Raiders HQ so he is a bit down.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Watching coming home interesting show and sneak peak on the raiders practice field
March 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Who do you think will be our #2 QB?
Orton is hated by some but can play west coast small ball.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
If David Garrard is healthy I like him.
Orton would be a good backup bit he will probably start somewhere.
Shaun Hill would be good too, but he may ask for more than we are willing to pay.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Priest #129 is truth. Don’t make yourself so scarce this blog needs intelligent commentary like yours. You make all the sense in the world.
Don’t be such a stranger priest.
Go Raiders! Code Black! With the sirens and lights!
March 11th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
I don’t know if Priest is being pessimistic as he is being realistic based on the history of the NFL. Hard to believe anyone in here is more of a Raiders fan than he is. I’m sure he’s as hopeful as any of us that Reggie and DA hits a home run here.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
BHP you are the man and the B@uce man always will be in your corner….fk what the other gotta say. You homer for the Raiders? Yeah good schit! Nothing better to homer for….seeing BHP post again has renewed my Raider spirit…..I now won’t even bash Palmer! The OG is fkin back…and so is CODE BLACK….
March 11th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Matt Moore is in the final year of his contract in Miami. If Peyton goes there I’d love to get him on board, although I’m not sure how the Fins would handle that.
Based on what I’ve read from Knapp and Palmer we’re not going to play small ball WCO. We’re going to run the ball a lot and do a lot of play-action, and according to Palmer “throw it over people’s heads”. Moore throws a really good deep ball. Whether he would come to a team and not have a real shot to start is, of course, another matter.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
And haters gather around and hear the sound M-I-Z-Z-O-U! Lil cuzin and Tigers win big12 tourney in KC! He got his post game interview with Holly Rowe and got his dance on for the entire country!….He told the B0uce man how much he looked up to him and how much he loves the B@uce for always sticking up for him. B@uce had to get off phone…..it broke me down to hear that…..number 2 in west bracket….if they win this weekend coming up I’ll be in Phoenix,AZ to see them try to go to first final four ever!
March 11th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I wish they would just cut Wimberly’s ass so we can use the money for Free Agents. I get so tired of this hush hush bullcrap!!!! Plz Reggie get some blue collar, hard working Linebackers who play smart and smash mouth football!!!!! GO RAIDERS!!!!!
March 11th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
That’s his truth not my truth.
I watched a team that let the division slip away with a host of weird, strange things happen and we will probably not see a year like the one we just witnessed.
It’s not going to take a 12-4 season to win our division and we will definitely be better on both sides of the ball and we won’t have nearly as many off the filed issues we had this past year.
I see a 9-7, 10-6 year and a playoff berth. That is not unrealistic looking at our team and The SFC West.. The sky is not falling…..
March 11th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Anyhow….good day…and yeah all u ppl sending private messages to my FB…keep on…I’m gonna be the same guy thru and thru…CODE BLACK
March 11th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
You must be a happy man, Brien. Congrats to you and to your cousin.
Wishing the Tigers well in the tournament!
March 11th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Hey, Chris in NY: Company men give company answers, and very few players burn bridges. What did you expect him to say? Nothing but bland PC responses are going to come out of player’s mouths. That’s why Lechler’s statement about Cable was a big surprise. And know what? He was right.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
Why Manning won’t be a Bronco
Lots of bally-hoo over QB Peyton Manning’s visit to Dove Valley, meeting with John Elway and the Broncos powers that be.
Many fans, especially Raider fans took notice.
Lots of questions remain about Manning’s health and compensation for signing to a team and as much as franchises would love the P.R. coup and potential betterment of their offense, we think Denver is not the final destination for one of the greatest QB of our generation.
THE STAFF
Denvers D was touted as saving their erratic O and they, as much as Tebow were responsible for propelling them to the play offs.
Their D coordinator last year is our Head Coach this season. Their new HC, John Fox will be starting his second season in orange and blue, Elway is a relative newbie at GM and while Jack Del Rio could help their D, he is also brand new to the organization.
The Broncos, whether they admit it or not, are rebuilding just like the Raiders and their D is a question mark as much as the O.
THE O
The Bronco Offense rotated through QBs and suffered losses in their run game in 2011, finishing 23rd overall.
Whether they’re better than that is an unknown but with two 3rd yr starting linemen and a rookie Right Tackle one wonders how long it would be before Peyton’s health would be tested.
Granted, an ultra savvy QB like Manning can make everyone else around him better including linemen by being decisive and getting the ball out fast.
That means having good WRs.
THE ROSTER
Denver has some intriguing prospects and could shop Free Agency or the draft to augment their WR corps. They could also give Manning a legit #1 target but as it stands Eric Decker, Eddie Royal and Demarius Thomas aren’t.
Decker and Thomas are young and Roayl may test free agency.
Odds are Peyton is interested in a paycheck but what he wants most of all is to win another Superbowl.
Denver seems much further away from that than the Broncos competition who are also vying for Manning.
The Cards and the Phins are the front runners with Miami having RB Reggie Bush and legit X WR Brandon Marshall.
Arizona has arguably the best WR in the game in Larry Fitzgerald.
Miami and Arizona, seemingly more appealing landing zones and targets to throw to.
Analysts are already annoiting which ever team Manning chooses as “Super bowl contenders” and stranger things have happened but reality dictates this contention is conceivably truer for at least two other teams not named the Denver Broncos and that, more than money is why the odds of Peytie Pie at Mile High are likely more pipe than dream.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
I can’t believe we are talking about Jbustus. I was on this board in 07 explaining why this guy was going to be a bust. Hoping AD whould show some sense and draft CJ or AP= but nooooooooo. I explained how in College he had over 6-7 seconds to throw and had NFL WRs to throw to. I explained how he sucked against better defenses. I discussed how he was unpolished a lot like Ryan Leaf but nooooooooooo… He could throw the ball 70 yards on his knees etc etc… Any Criticizer was met with – you just are a racist that does not like black QBs. I hoped I was wrong after he was drafted but the guy thought he arrived and did not apply himself. Now we have all these junior historians trying to make the case that if JR went to an environment like 2011 Carolina he would have succeeded. Even the Car was terrible the year before like the Raiders and had a whole new staff like the Raiders did etc… Just give it up the guy was and is terrible.
March 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
[...] to Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com, the Oakland Raiders and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley still aren’t [...]
March 11th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Buckeyes are out. I’m done with March madness.
I hope Missouri wins it all.
March 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
I stopped listening to Priest when he said Vick was better than Elway.
March 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
This is a discussion board.You don’t have to listen(agree) with everyone,but he is entitled to his opinion just as much as you are entitled to yours.
March 11th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Amen petty
March 11th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Amen Lefty is what post #181 meant to say re: post #180. Thanks Lefty , some in here seem to forget.
March 11th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
So what do you think his value is as a DE? That is the question not how much do you want to make based on what performance? Wimbley will get a contract for his true value not what we are on the hook for from another team so take your selfish money and go and hope you earn more! This team is about getting better! What Curry is not going with him so who is gonna help him where he goes? lmao! Just because the car has a sticker price don’t mean that’s what you have to pay!Raiders need a Brooker!
March 11th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Wow, didn’t mean to run everybody off……. Anyway …..
Code Black!!!
Go Raiders!
And of course with sirens an flashing lights!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Wow, really??!!??!!
This place is like deadsville!!! In all ny time here never seen this. I know my post are not great but jeez! Ha ha ha
Should I call 911? Has everyone dropped dead?
March 11th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Oh yeah,
Code Black with sirens and flashing lights!!!!!
March 11th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“I’m sure (Hue Jackson) will get an opportunity (to be a head coach) again some time down the road, because I think he’s a great leader and a great man, and I wish him the best.”
- Rock Cartwright
Team captain and two-time team CTE honoree
This is above and beyond a PC endorsement. It’s clear from the comments made by Cartwright, Seymour, Palmer, Ford and others that the team was very much behind Hue. Can we please put that “Hue lost the team” nonsense to rest now? It’s clear that we changed coaches for one of two reasons: Mark Davis wanted him out as Mike Silver hypothesized; or Reggie McKenzie wanted his own guy (as RM stated) that he could take credit for finding and hiring if things go well, rather than keep Hue and be relegated to a role of secondary importance.
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No. We can’t. There was a very good discussion on this blog about the DT’s. I put in the Detroit game from the end of the season at random. I only watched the lst halft but Two things jumped out at me: lst, how good a half Richard Seymour played. 2ndly, what a good half Jackson called. I do have to say, Jackson called a marvelous lst half. All that being said, NFL games are decided in the 2nd half. We’ll see..
March 11th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
185.arkraider Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Wow, really??!!??!!
This place is like deadsville!!! In all ny time here never seen this. I know my post are not great but jeez! Ha ha ha
Should I call 911? Has everyone dropped dead?
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It gets pretty deserted in here this time of night.
Plus it’s offseason.
I’m surprised it’s as busy as it is.
Have a good one.
March 11th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
[...] also pointed out something he shared with Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com: “No outgoing calls — and no incoming [...]
March 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
mikeschoice Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
tell tale was the holdout to begin with-hostaged us-should have cut losses right there.
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Would have been fine by me. But Al wanted to save face. Then Al finds out Russell has a drug problem. Cutting losses still would have been ok with me. Instead? Al pushes it all under a rug. Hires some “life coach” to cover his own rear in the long run. This drags on for over a year. Make no mistake, the 2007 Oakland Raiders’ front office was the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:33 am
Brien, guess what movie’s on TNT right now.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Just Win Baby Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I wanted Calvin Johnson. His talent probably would have been wasted here and he’d probably be playing for the Patriots by now. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Too much time is wasted looking backward instead of forward in this blog. Next order of business is to find a legit #2 QB and some linebackers.Maybe we can get Kolb to be #2 after AZ signs Manning.
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I agree with looking forward. There’s so many unknown’s it’s all speculation instead of analysis of viewpoint. People can argue a lot about what they saw. So, easier to dredge up fights.
I think our most important thing going forward is:
1. Finding more CBs. This is a passing league these days and we right now have probably the worst secondary in the league.
2. Finding more LBs including at least one who is adept at getting to the passer. Probably will release Wimbley so we’ll need at least 2 more good LBs.
The good news is that Huff is good as a blitzer. And
our d-line has good pass rushers as a unit (2 years ago was tops the league with the same players).
3. Finding a back-up RB who could carry the load if McFadden gets hurt.
4. Solidifying the O-Line. If we’re not taking back Stele (Center), then we’ll need another center or move Wiz to Center. So we need at least a LG/Center and a RT (I really wanna get a new RT).
And if I were the GM I’d find a right-hand man that I could work with moving forward.
March 12th, 2012 at 2:51 am
1. Finding more CBs. This is a passing league these days and we right now have probably the worst secondary in the league.
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I’d put Minn up there except we picked up Lito FROM Minn’s scrap heap… and started him.
March 12th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Wimbley, Raiders at stalemate The latest on the Kamerion Wimbley situation, via an e-mail from his agent, Joe Linta: “No outgoing calls and no incoming calls.” [...]
March 12th, 2012 at 3:41 am
Manning a Donkey or an Arizona Cardinal ….. Maybe…. ?
March 12th, 2012 at 5:15 am
Bottomline is they should trade him to Philly. Philly is always in need of LB’s. Raiders need corners and maybe a superior pass rusher like MARIO WILLIAMS. The one thing about Wimbley is that he’s not a consistent pass rusher, he just has a monster game, but not against elite or mediocr tackles.
March 12th, 2012 at 5:16 am
I bet the Raiders wait until the last possible minute, Friday at 3:59pm eastern, to cut Wimbley. That will dry up the market a bit since the top tier pass rushers will find a new home. Just my thinking on the situation.
I bet we look at signing Ced Griffin from Minnesota. He will come pretty cheap, and he is better than any CB we have right now
March 12th, 2012 at 5:17 am
Trade who to philly? Wimbley? No one is going to give us a draft pick to inherit that nightmare of a contract.
March 12th, 2012 at 5:30 am
off topic but doesnt laron landry just seem like an awesome fit here that would be a sweet signing
March 12th, 2012 at 5:46 am
I bet we look at signing Ced Griffin from Minnesota. He will come pretty cheap, and he is better than any CB we have right now
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Doubt it. He’s coming off his second ACL surgery and lost his starting job last year. Frazier obviously doesn’t think he can play anymore.
March 12th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
No word? anything?
March 12th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
mikeschoice Says:
March 11th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
tell tale was the holdout to begin with-hostaged us-should have cut losses right there.
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Would have been fine by me. But Al wanted to save face. Then Al finds out Russell has a drug problem. Cutting losses still would have been ok with me. Instead? Al pushes it all under a rug. Hires some “life coach” to cover his own rear in the long run. This drags on for over a year. Make no mistake, the 2007 Oakland Raiders’ front office was the JaMarcus Russell of NFL front offices.
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Well, that’s one way to look at it.
I suppose the other way to look at it is that he DIDN’T sweep it under the rug. He hired a life coach to help the young man. EA was with the kid for a year and couldn’t flip him.
As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:05 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Good Morning Dirt-Lot
March 12th, 2012 at 6:09 am
good morning AM crew!
this should be an interesting week.
Manning joins the Dolphins. Wimbley axed and will join the Chargers after he clears waivers
March 12th, 2012 at 6:15 am
The Raiders like Wimbley, but want him to take less money.
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How can people read that sentence, and than still want to “debate” that the salary-cap issue is an overblown story?
The Raiders LIKE Wimbley, but can’t afford to keep him. Not because they don’t have the ACTUAL MONEY, but they can’t fit it into the salary-cap.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:16 am
MANNING IN DENVER..PAYTON PLAYS 1ST 3 QTRS,BRING IN TEBOW IN 4TH QTR.BRONCO’S WIN IT ALL..
March 12th, 2012 at 6:16 am
I don’t see Manning going to the Dolphins. For all the hokey billboards and people down there tripping over themselves trying to get him, he just didn’t seem impressed. I think he looked around Wayne Huizenga’s operation and figured out why it’s a perrenial loser.
No Manning in KC, but Denver looks like they got Manning for a couple of days, AZ for only 6 hours. AZ is way over the cap right now even without Manning. I say there’s no way he ends up a Cardinal.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:20 am
I predict the next blog entry by Jerry will be the announcement of the cutting of Wimbley. Really not a secret that there have been no talks in a very long time. Why Reggie Mac is waiting to announce the cut is a mystery, but there is definitely a reason to keep him till the last minute. There isn’t any last minute negotiating going on.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Manning is going to AZ.
I said it from the beginning. Reggie Wayne will follow him, to team up with Larry Fitzgerald.
Warm weather, indoor stadium.
Since he pretty much sucked most of his career in late season cold weather games, just can’t see him going to Denver, and possibly have his last home playoff game be in a snow storm.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:21 am
According to Mort The Professional Liar, Manning hasn’t yet visited the Dolphins and is going to wait until at least Thursday (start of free agency) to make a
decision.
Crazy Bud Adams is going to try and get him in for a visit, and I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t make a trip to KC as well.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:22 am
MANNING WILL STICK WITH THE HORSE RELATED HELMET..FROM BLUE HORSE-SHOE TO THE HORSE-HEAD FROM THE GODFATHER
March 12th, 2012 at 6:23 am
AZ is like $20M over the cap and that’s without adding Manning’s cap number if they signed him. You can forget about signing Reggie Wayne and Jeff Saturday. Those are a trio that are going to be signed together or not at all. Cross AZ off the list.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Now the Broncos do have a lot of cap space to get Manning right now, and still go after his favorite compadres, Wayne and Saturday.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Reggie Wayne will sign very cheap, they will shed a ton of salary with Kevin Kolb, and they could make it happen.
Mort is saying on Mike and Mike that Seattle and KC are no longer an option, he hasn’t visited Miami, and Den and AZ are HIS top two choices right now.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:25 am
My honest opinion is Mark Davis may have to go through a few GM’s and coaches before he gets the right mix. Catching lightning in a bottle your first effort is just next to impossible. There will be growing pains for everyone especially this new HC.
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A “few” GMs?????
Sorry my man, but I think you are way off here.
I think in trying to point out how top notch you felt Al Davis was, or maybe defend his past, this slipped out.
Of course if McKenzie and Allen are successful, you’ll have the anti Davis as a GM crowd quick to point out how operating in a modern front office stucture led to our success.
I get it, but a few GMs???
Like SnB said, that would mean at least 10 years of losing. Can’t see that at all.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Reggie Wayne will sign very cheap, they will shed a ton of salary with Kevin Kolb, and they could make it happen.
Mort is saying on Mike and Mike that Seattle and KC are no longer an option, he hasn’t visited Miami, and Den and AZ are HIS top two choices right now.
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Let’s say they cut Kolb, (no one is going to trade for that contract). His cap number is $7M this year. Now that’s a good chunk, but AZ needs to dump another $13M+ and then find room for Mannings rich cap number.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:27 am
How can people read that sentence, and than still want to “debate” that the salary-cap issue is an overblown story?
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I don’t think the salary cap is the issue here. I bet the GM would still be taking this stance with Wimbley even if we were 20 million under.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Suppose Manning goes to Tennessee (I know, but he did play his college ball in Knoxville and Adams was pretty adamant about getting a shot at him);
Locker stays, no doubt. Would anyone be opposed to Matt Hasselbeck coming to Oakland to back up Palmer?
March 12th, 2012 at 6:30 am
POST-218,AGREED.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Did anyone watch that Coming Home special last night? I know, some of us was there, but to see the story behind it was…wow…this family are die hard fans who live in Oakland and that was their first Raider game! It was heart warming back in November, it was still heart warming last night!
March 12th, 2012 at 6:31 am
I don’t think the salary cap is the issue here. I bet the GM would still be taking this stance with Wimbley even if we were 20 million under.
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As the salary cap structure is now, there isn’t a GM in the league that would not want to get out from Wimbley’s deal. But if this same scenario were played out next year, going into that rich TV deal year, the Wimbley contract will settle down into a more normal salary compared to the deals that will be announced for similar types/talents.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:33 am
I RECORDED IT HWNRDR.WILL CATCH 2NIGHT.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:34 am
AZ is $16.4M over the cap. (correction)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/if-cards-want-manning-theyll-need-to-scramble-to-create-cap-space/
March 12th, 2012 at 6:35 am
I don’t think the salary cap is the issue here. I bet the GM would still be taking this stance with Wimbley even if we were 20 million under.
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If we were 20 million under, there still would be negotations, no doubt, but I also doubt if we were 20 million under, we would give him the take a paycut or kick rocks routine.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Hasselback probably still has a year or two left in his tank, if he stays injury free…he will be a better option than Boller! Let’s see tomorrow how much interest JC has…if/when he leaves, we do need a good back up!
March 12th, 2012 at 6:36 am
I am sure if Peyton wants to go to AZ, Larry Fitzgerald will do like Seymour, and Palmer, and restructure his contract and save probably 5 to 10 million in cap space alone.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:36 am
OK GUEST,WILL LET U SLIDE THIS TIME LOL..GOOD DAY TO U BY THE WAY.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:36 am
223.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:33 am
I RECORDED IT HWNRDR.WILL CATCH 2NIGHT.
That story started it off, then it went to another homecoming story. Then it picked up again, then went to another story…pretty much the main story was that guy in Oakland!
March 12th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Were there any shots of the great John Herrera in this special?
March 12th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Good Morning J Hill. Do you think the talks of trading Bynum has ended? After yesterday’s performance…I hope so! Although Gasol is still in the rumor mill!
March 12th, 2012 at 6:41 am
230.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Were there any shots of the great John Herrera in this special?
LOL, no…but the host did meet with Carson Palmer, and Sgt Eaton was in awestruck. And the host met the team and talked with Hue, Big Wiz and I guess he played college ball with Kalif Barnes.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:41 am
DIDNT MAKE IT ON SCREEN JFB,WAS FETCHING REFRESMENTS.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Washington gave up 3 #1’s and a #2 for RGIII.
Imagine the fortunes of this team right now if Cleveland (who had R. Crennel back then) had dealt with the Raiders for a similar deal and taken JaMarcus Russell. Why couldn’t those type of deals be available when the Raiders pick #1?
Redskins for their part aren’t being ridiculed nearly as much for a much riskier QB than the Raiders were mocked for taking an established QB for 2 #1’s last year. It’s the Redskins, (or any team other than the Raiders). If it was the Raiders doing that deal, the NFL would collectively roll their eyes and attempt to do mock interviews with Raider brass, holding their chuckles under their breath.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:45 am
DIDNT MAKE IT ON SCREEN JFB,WAS FETCHING REFRESMENTS.
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The most important guys often don’t make it on camera.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:45 am
That is true Guest! At least Hue knew what he will get with Palmer! RGIII had a good workout at the combine but still uncertain what anyone will see! However, my feeling is that RGIII will become a beast, but The Rams got a darn good deal, and maybe the best of it!
March 12th, 2012 at 6:46 am
235.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:45 am
DIDNT MAKE IT ON SCREEN JFB,WAS FETCHING REFRESMENTS.
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The most important guys often don’t make it on camera.
LOL, true, unless Kawakami is there! Ok, bad joke…
March 12th, 2012 at 6:47 am
The Peyton Manning tour was fun while it lasted.
According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, it’s over.
Appearing on SportsCenter Monday morning, Schefter stated repeatedly that Manning won’t be taking any more free agent visits. Schefter explained that Manning “does not want to make this into a Reggie White tour,” and is already familiar with the Dolphins’ facility because the Colts used it during their two Super Bowl appearances in Miami.
Schefter called the Broncos the “favorites,” while acknowledging that the Cardinals are still “in contention.” The Dolphins seem to have been pushed to the backburner, though, since the South Florida frenzy that left Manning wary of joining Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland’s team.
The fact that Manning is also done with visits suggests other interested teams like the Titans are not being given serious consideration.
These things can change at any moment, but the Broncos and Cardinals are the clear-cut frontrunners to sign Manning at this point, with Denver possessing a slight edge.
A decision is tentatively expected by Wednesday.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Gotta love Schefter and Mort. Covering all eventualities, so that no matter what happens BSPN “got it right”.
Very predictable, those two.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Manning is going to AZ.
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@JFB
he wants to finish is career in shame ala Emmitt Smith?
March 12th, 2012 at 6:55 am
215.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Reggie Wayne will sign very cheap, they will shed a ton of salary with Kevin Kolb, and they could make it happen.
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AZ cutting Kolb would only save $2 million this year. They could shave off at least $9 mill, but probably more depending on what Fitz agrees to, by converting his roster bonus and salary in to signing bonus for cap purposes. Getting Calais Campbell under a long term contract could wipe out another 7 or 8 mill in cap room.
I am sure they can find more room elsewhere. I doubt if manning costs any more than $5 mill in cap space this year. Future years, if he proves healthy will probably exceed 20 mill though
March 12th, 2012 at 6:56 am
THATS THE PLAN EDWARD TEACH,COVER ALL THE ANGLES THEY CAN SAY THEY WEWE ON IT FROM THE START..
March 12th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Would anyone be opposed to Matt Hasselbeck coming to Oakland to back up Palmer?
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MH is better than Jason Campbell and most of you guys think he’ll get a starting job elsewhere. Why would Matt be cool with a #2 job if Jason isn’t?
March 12th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Imagine the fortunes of this team right now if Cleveland (who had R. Crennel back then) had dealt with the Raiders for a similar deal and taken JaMarcus Russell. Why couldn’t those type of deals be available when the Raiders pick #1?
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Rookie wage scale. Dollars are way lower for the overall #1 than they were when we had the top pick.
Too bad, although Al was probably going to take a QB anyway. Can you imagine Brady Quinn as the Raiders’ starting QB? Neither can I.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Wassup Hwn!
I wouldn’t say there were Bynum trade talks ever going on. Bynum for Howard straight up was about it.
We’re in a win win as far as that goes. I’m fine with either one, but I do think Bynum is the better offensive player.
I’d keep everyone this year and those 2 first round picks. Unless we can get Deron Williams for Gasol.
March 12th, 2012 at 6:59 am
JFB,
How wrong were you about Bynum?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Manning is a free agent who has 11 teams interested in him and the freedom to choose his next destination.
I don’t think he’s giving any certain team a discount to obtain his services. Their cap struggles aren’t his problem.
whatever team gets him may have to cut a few starters and restructure a few more starters.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Guest123 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Washington gave up 3 #1’s and a #2 for RGIII.
Imagine the fortunes of this team right now if Cleveland (who had R. Crennel back then) had dealt with the Raiders for a similar deal and taken JaMarcus Russell. Why couldn’t those type of deals be available when the Raiders pick #1?
Redskins for their part aren’t being ridiculed nearly as much for a much riskier QB than the Raiders were mocked for taking an established QB for 2 #1’s last year. It’s the Redskins, (or any team other than the Raiders). If it was the Raiders doing that deal, the NFL would collectively roll their eyes and attempt to do mock interviews with Raider brass, holding their chuckles under their breath.
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CP wasn’t seen as a top player anymore when we made that deal. He was seen as a declining player because of injuries. Kevin Kolb was seen as a better option than CP at the time. The only reason he fetched that kind of deal is because we were desperate to save the season. And it’s the compensation that has a lot of people on this board thinking he’s still a great player, if he ever really was one in the 1st place. We were mocked and rightly so. Bad deal.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:04 am
How many of the marquee can’t miss QB’s drafted at the top or near the top ever even pan out? Not that I am hating on RG3 or Luck. Newton showed his value, but others drafted with high picks (Gabbert, Locker, Ponder) are not worth the investment for those draft slots. To me, if you go up to get a QB early, he better be the next Cam Newton or else you missed out on a player that could have been one of the key core playmakers. The whole drafting a QB hoping you land a franchise QB is a mistake that GM’s keep repeating. I think the Rams got a hell of a deal swiping all those picks. But even they may one day regret the deal if Bradford doesn’t pan out or proves to be “injury prone”. One more early season IR and the fanbase will turn on Bradford and call him a bum.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:04 am
@Jhill
were there some NBA trades I dont know about?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Would anyone be opposed to Matt Hasselbeck coming to Oakland to back up Palmer?
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MH is better than Jason Campbell and most of you guys think he’ll get a starting job elsewhere. Why would Matt be cool with a #2 job if Jason isn’t?
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Just throwing it out there for discussion. Manning most likely isn’t going to Tenn anyway. JC has way more tread on his tires than Hasselbeck and I would think get more run than he would as a starter. Hasselbeck has also been injured a lot the past few years. Backup duty could prolong his career, if that’s what he wanted.
My guess is that if he isn’t in Tennessee next year he could be back in Cleveland with Holmgren, though. He already knows the offense and Colt McCoy is far from a sure thing, at least at the moment. Could buy McCoy a little more time to get acclimated to the league.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:06 am
245.J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Wassup Hwn!
I wouldn’t say there were Bynum trade talks ever going on. Bynum for Howard straight up was about it.
We’re in a win win as far as that goes. I’m fine with either one, but I do think Bynum is the better offensive player.
I’d keep everyone this year and those 2 first round picks. Unless we can get Deron Williams for Gasol.
Man…that pass from Kobe and that slap in while he was getting fouled…the best was leaving Boston scoreless the last what? Almost 2 minutes?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:06 am
were there some NBA trades
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None involving the Lakers or Heat yet.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:07 am
the best was leaving Boston scoreless the last what? Almost 2 minutes?
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That’s that Mike Brown defense!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Oh, and I appreciate the Ws knocking the Clippers outta first place.
Good lookin out!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:08 am
CP wasn’t seen as a top player anymore when we made that deal. He was seen as a declining player because of injuries. Kevin Kolb was seen as a better option than CP at the time. The only reason he fetched that kind of deal is because we were desperate to save the season. And it’s the compensation that has a lot of people on this board thinking he’s still a great player, if he ever really was one in the 1st place. We were mocked and rightly so. Bad deal.
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I disagree that it was a bad deal. CP3 is younger than D. Brees and P. Manning. Those guys aren’t considered too old to lead a team to the Super Bowl, but CP3 is? CP3 is old (not), broken down (not – he’s rejuevenated and was a little rusty), ineffectual (not – 2 time probowler). When all is said and done, the deal that everyone laughed about, will be the ones the Raiders will be serving crow on a silver and black platter. Don’t listen to all the haters. They don’t known nuttin.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Edward Teach Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Imagine the fortunes of this team right now if Cleveland (who had R. Crennel back then) had dealt with the Raiders for a similar deal and taken JaMarcus Russell. Why couldn’t those type of deals be available when the Raiders pick #1?
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Rookie wage scale. Dollars are way lower for the overall #1 than they were when we had the top pick.
Too bad, although Al was probably going to take a QB anyway. Can you imagine Brady Quinn as the Raiders’ starting QB? Neither can I.
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For once, I’ll have to agree with JFB. Doesn’t matter who we would have taken at that particularly fked up time in the organization. Their talent would have been wasted.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Dwight Howard is going to the Miami Heat in exchange for Anthony, Howard & the Heat’s next 3 first rounders…
March 12th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Washington gave up 3 #1’s and a #2 for RGIII.
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Carson Palmer trade was a bargain as it turns out.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Good Morning NATION !!!
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March 12th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Teams either have a QB or they don’t. Even though I liked Soup, he made us one of the teams that “doesn’t have a QB”. In the AFC West, only the Raiders and SD have a QB. There’s maybe 15-16 teams that have QB’s. and the rest are all playing musical chairs hoping to get lucky with a retread or draft pick. Only the teams “with” a QB have any shot in hell of winning a SB.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:12 am
And Paul Pierce…why does that guy still think he’s the best? World Peace had him in check!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Washington gave up 3 #1’s and a #2 for RGIII.
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washing swaped this year one and gave them 2 more firsts. that makes 2 firsts and a second.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:15 am
*washington
March 12th, 2012 at 7:15 am
washing swaped this year one and gave them 2 more firsts. that makes 2 firsts and a second.
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So you’re saying the #6 pick in the draft doesn’t count? Any way you slice it, it’s 3 #1 picks and second. 4 picks for one.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:16 am
@Hwnrdr
Ron Artest is gey
March 12th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Guest123 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Teams either have a QB or they don’t. Even though I liked Soup, he made us one of the teams that “doesn’t have a QB”. In the AFC West, only the Raiders and SD have a QB. There’s maybe 15-16 teams that have QB’s. and the rest are all playing musical chairs hoping to get lucky with a retread or draft pick. Only the teams “with” a QB have any shot in hell of winning a SB.
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Speaking of the AFC West, we were undefeated against it behind JC (7-0). Miss those days. CP has big shoes to fill. He’s off to a bad start.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:23 am
I read an article that said the compensation for RG3 could fetch any player in the NFL. All top picks face pressure, but Luck and Griffen will be under the biggest microscope ever. Of the two, Griffen looks to be going into the better situation.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:23 am
the rams gat the 6th pick and washington gets the second.. it a trade .
the rams get washingtons 1st pick next year and the year after..(2 firsts) and a 2nd round this year
****2 firsts and a second !!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Isn’t It Ironic?
The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.
Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to “please do not feed the animals” because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves
March 12th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Speaking of the AFC West, we were undefeated against it behind JC (7-0). Miss those days.
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@Debo
Jason Campbell is coming off of Injured Reserve and he doesn’t have Tom Cable or Hue Jackson as HC. He doesn’t have owner Al Davis in his corner wither
6 of those games John Marshall was DC and Nnamdi Asomugha was starting at corner
Look at the big picture. You think JC would have went 6-0 in the AFC West last year, too?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:24 am
I’m a big fan of Soup, loved his leadership and work ethic. It was a welcome change from the JaMarcus era. He came in and changed the culture. He’s a decent QB and his 7-0 conference record was impressive. But he had some awful games that are beyond any reasonable explanation. When you saw what CP3 could do with the tight hard spiral deep throws in that Thursday Night Game vs the Chargers, you had to sit back and say to yourself, “this is what it’s like to have a weapon at QB”. It’s been so long, it’s hard to remember anymore.
CP3 is going to more than fill Soups shoes RaiderDebo, he’s going to wipe Soups memory off the team as another of a string of stopgap QB’s that could only take them so far. CP3 is going to lead the Raiders to a Super Bowl victory before it’s all said and done.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Speaking of the AFC West, we were undefeated against it behind JC (7-0). Miss those days. CP has big shoes to fill. He’s off to a bad start.
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Too bad he can’t play defense. His “start” would have been a lot better.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:29 am
I don’t think he’s giving any certain team a discount to obtain his services. Their cap struggles aren’t his problem.
whatever team gets him may have to cut a few starters and restructure a few more starters.
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Peyton will play cheap where ever he ends up THIS year. NO ONE is gonna throw $100 million dollar deal at a him just HOPING he can play.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:30 am
The single accomplishment of the conservative movement has been to convince millions of weak minded individuals that selfishness, greed, and hate of the poor are good Christian values.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:30 am
lol lol… i get it
Edward Teach = Black Beard ???
very cool sir… very cool indeed !!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:32 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:23 am
the rams gat the 6th pick and washington gets the second.. it a trade .
the rams get washingtons 1st pick next year and the year after..(2 firsts) and a 2nd round this year
****2 firsts and a second !!!!
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In the deal, the Rams will receive the Redskins’ No. 6 overall pick this year, as well as the Redskins’ first-round picks in 2013 and 2014. The Rams also will receive Washington’s second-round pick this year in return for the second overall pick
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Wrong. Washington doesn’t get the Rams 2nd. They give the Rams their second as well. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams
March 12th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Kirk Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:30 am
The single accomplishment of the conservative movement has been to convince millions of weak minded individuals that selfishness, greed, and hate of the poor are good Christian values.
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Don’t know if it was the only accomplishment. They did manage to bankrupt the country and involve us in two wars under false pretenses.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:33 am
no the rams get washingtons 2nd round pick thie year.
true statement.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:34 am
269.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:23 am
the rams gat the 6th pick and washington gets the second.. it a trade .
the rams get washingtons 1st pick next year and the year after..(2 firsts) and a 2nd round this year
****2 firsts and a second !!!!
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The difference in value between the 2nd pick and the 6th pick is just over 1000 points on the draft value chart (even more now that there is a rookie wage scale) 1000 points is the equivelant of the 16th overall pick. To say that they simply ’swapped’ picks, is essentially true, but they would be the same as saying trading Darren McFadden for Tashard Choice is just a RB swap. Technically yes the 2 players at the same position were just swapped, but the value of the 2 isnt even close.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Peyton will play cheap where ever he ends up THIS year. NO ONE is gonna throw $100 million dollar deal at a him just HOPING he can play
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@bcz
I think you’re wrong. Like Drew Brees, who only had two teams interessted in him (Saints & Dolphins) – Brees went to the team that believed in him and had faith that he could still play at a high level after the major injury that required surgery.
If somebody shoots Peyton a lowball offer and expects him to PROVE anything, that team won’t be the one to acquire the future HOF QB. print it
March 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:30 am
lol lol… i get it
Edward Teach = Black Beard ???
very cool sir… very cool indeed
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Haha. Well, thanks R8R Mike. I only get about one good idea a year, so I have to take advantage lol.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Speaking of the AFC West, we were undefeated against it behind JC (7-0). Miss those days.
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@Debo
Jason Campbell is coming off of Injured Reserve and he doesn’t have Tom Cable or Hue Jackson as HC. He doesn’t have owner Al Davis in his corner wither
6 of those games John Marshall was DC and Nnamdi Asomugha was starting at corner
Look at the big picture. You think JC would have went 6-0 in the AFC West last year, too?
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Why wouldn’t I?? JC’s game is perfect for what ailed the Raiders. It’s boring, but the wasn’t a turnover machine and he made clutch throws. Hell, he was 4-2 when he went down. How confident do you think his teammates were when we faced AFC West opponents? No brainier IMO.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am
I think we probably would have went 4-2 last year and have had the West locked up after Denver lost their game when we had 5 minutes left in ours. Don’t think he would have made a difference against SD on January 1st because that was on the D, but we would have hosted a playoff and not Denver because we would have beaten KC the first time and went 8-0 against The AFC West with him as starter!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Not going to argue about the compensation Peyton will receive, and please understand when I said $5 million, that was the CAP NUMBER he will play under, not the cash he will get.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Rockstar, call him what you will but he did shut down Pierce and did a good job on James when he was on him a couple weeks ago!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
all i am saying is, the redskins gave up 2 first round and a second round draft choices. and traded this years first round choices.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Bud Adams Reeeaaalllllly wants Peyton. But Peyton won’t even make a visit Tennessee to hear the pitch.
Is it that he doesn’t want to compete with the Colts? Maybe there is some sort of gentleman’s agreement that he made with Polian?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:39 am
The single accomplishment of the conservative movement has been to convince millions of weak minded individuals that selfishness, greed, and hate of the poor are good Christian values.
Don’t know if it was the only accomplishment. They did manage to bankrupt the country and involve us in two wars under false pretenses.
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Kirk & Teach
keep this crap off the Raiders blog please. Your opinions on politics & religion are ignorant and unacceptable. This junk is what we’ve come to expect from PM crew guys like MR & Kell, but we in the AM crew strive to make this a better blog in the early mornings before the trolls show up
Thanks,
Management
March 12th, 2012 at 7:39 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/manning-not-expected-to-visit-any-more-teams/
Who knows how this will turn out, but the front runners are the Cardinals and Broncos…..Tebow will be out of town, if Manning selects Denver.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:41 am
I think Peyton didn’t want to go to his division, a la Favre when he went to Minnesota. But I would think that he would have been intrigued with playing Brady twice a year and be in warm weather in going to Miami…but we shall see!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Regardless of Soups ability to beat our AFC West opponents. That’s not saying much. Our conference isn’t the best. So what if he would have finished strong and led the Raiders to the AFC West crown had he not injured his shoulder. Does anyone really believe he was ready to beat the Steelers, Ravens, or Patriots in the playoffs?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Wouldn’t that be something if Tebow does get run out of Denver and end up here? Doubt it, but would be funny!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:43 am
I really hope that Peyton Manning signs with the Donkeys. Especially if that means they will cut Tim Tebow!
Tebow can go shine elsewhere… It’s only been 2 games and I’m already tired of playing against him
March 12th, 2012 at 7:44 am
@bcz
I think you’re wrong. Like Drew Brees, who only had two teams interessted in him (Saints & Dolphins) – Brees went to the team that believed in him and had faith that he could still play at a high level after the major injury that required surgery.
If somebody shoots Peyton a lowball offer and expects him to PROVE anything, that team won’t be the one to acquire the future HOF QB. print it
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Brees was 27 years old coming off a labrum surgery, Manning is 36 years old coming off FOUR neck surgerys.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:41 am
I think Peyton didn’t want to go to his division, a la Favre when he went to Minnesota. But I would think that he would have been intrigued with playing Brady twice a year and be in warm weather in going to Miami…but we shall see!
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Maybe he saw how the team rallied around a QB who could actually lead, and feels he could raise the entire team in a similar manner. There is the Manning effect that could entice Reggie Wayne to join him as a “go-to” veteran….cause there really is no one to throw to…
March 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am
231.hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Good Morning J Hill. Do you think the talks of trading Bynum has ended? After yesterday’s performance…I hope so! Although Gasol is still in the rumor mill!
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Yeah, as Bynum walked to the locker room gimping on his bad knee…..trade him now while teams can fool themselves into thinking he is healthy!…..but only for Howard lol.
Trade Gasol to NY for Melo.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Guest, with all the injuries that the Steelers had, I’d say yes that we could have beaten them. Big Ben was hobbling around and Pouncey was out, and the other guy starting at Center that day was also hurt. Then Kiesel and that other guy on D got hurt…Yeah, I say the Steelers we could have locked up, but against Brady, Flacco, or even Yates, probably not! But one would never know!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am
@ RRS
Don’t believe in the Tebow hype. He got lucky with smoke and mirrors. His game will regress as a Donkey. I hope he stays their QB for a decade. If we didn’t have that mickey mouse defense, we’d make him eat dirt with sod smushed up in his facemask grill. Tebow aint nothing.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Dakota, I missed that. Was he limping after the game?
March 12th, 2012 at 7:48 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Guest, with all the injuries that the Steelers had, I’d say yes that we could have beaten them. Big Ben was hobbling around and Pouncey was out, and the other guy starting at Center that day was also hurt. Then Kiesel and that other guy on D got hurt…Yeah, I say the Steelers we could have locked up, but against Brady, Flacco, or even Yates, probably not! But one would never know!
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The point is Campbell’s ceiling was a playoff “one and done” berth. And even that was not a given with how badly the defense regressed down the stretch.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Rockstar,
Don’t tell me what to post and what not to. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
I can tell from some of your previous posts that you lean more toward the conservatives. Methinks maybe you wouldn’t be objecting if my post lined up a little more with your views.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Whoah, wait….Gasol for Melo? Seriously? I hadn’t watched NY when Melo came back so I do not know…
March 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
300.hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Dakota, I missed that. Was he limping after the game?
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Limped to the locker room a few minutes prior to halftime. Did return to the game….but it just illustrates that he is one spin move, or bad landing on a lob pass away from re-injuring those knees.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:50 am
You got a point there, Guest! With 60K screaming fans on January 1st, our D still couldn’t get it done…but I still believe we could have beaten the Steelers!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Guest123 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am
@ RRS
Don’t believe in the Tebow hype. He got lucky with smoke and mirrors. His game will regress as a Donkey. I hope he stays their QB for a decade. If we didn’t have that mickey mouse defense, we’d make him eat dirt with sod smushed up in his facemask grill. Tebow aint nothing.
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It will definitely get worse if he is traded to Jacksonville….they have even worse receivers…he won the fan base, but they must really want to move on from him to go after Manning…..the Chiefs have ridiculous cap space, and they werent even in the running.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Manning is 36 years old coming off FOUR neck surgerys.
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@bcz
which is EXACTLY why I want him in Dungver!!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Anyone who takes Manning is going to be a team that is going to mortgage the future for a short term window at a shot at the SB. But the long term effect will be a team that instantly has to go into full on rebuilding, just like the Colts are now. Whichever GM takes him better have a nice parachute/landing spot for his eventual exile. It’s inevitable. Now who wants to work themselves out of job? It’s the owner’s call on Manning, but I don’t think there could be many GM’s who want him if they want to enjoy any kind of stability.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Missed that one, Dakota! Turned it on in the 4th!
March 12th, 2012 at 7:56 am
@ G123 & Sam
it’s easier to root for Tebow if he’s outside the AFC West
I friggin HATE the horse humpers
hope PM goes there so we can end his career. then they’ll have some nobody as #2 QB
March 12th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Manning is 36 years old coming off FOUR neck surgerys.
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Not like the NFL can ban Manning from coming back, but for the good of the game, they should make an agreement with a payout clause for retiring. The NFL really doesn’t want to have to deal with the eventual headline story, “Peyton Manning breaks neck, paralyzed from neck down”. That would be a black eye for the shield. Peyton should hang them up now, and get on with his fantastically wealthy post NFL life. He’d be a cinch to get $5M plus for being a commentator on the NFL pregame shows, etc.
March 12th, 2012 at 7:58 am
@ RRS
I friggin HATE the horse humpers
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take a number, behind me. I’ve hated them longer than you’ve been alive. I am Donkey hater #1.
print that.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:03 am
The Doctors say Manning’s neck is fine and he has no greater risk for sustaining a paralyzing neck injury than does any other player in the NFL.
If Manning wants to play, there is nothing the NFL can do about it.
If Manning breaks his neck, that will be on the Doctors who cleared him…..not the NFL
March 12th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Anyone who takes Manning is going to be a team that is going to mortgage the future for a short term window at a shot at the SB. But the long term effect will be a team that instantly has to go into full on rebuilding, just like the Colts are now.
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Bingo!
the Donkeys aren’t even close. Peyton Manning will go there and one of these things will happen..
#1 he’ll get hurt and they’ll have to roll with a scrub backup QB (Adam Weber?)
#2 he’ll choke towards the end of the season in cold weather games
#3 he’ll play pretty well, but the defense will be awful
in any scenario, I see them missing the playoffs. Then the fans will be calling for Fox and/or Del Rio’s head
March 12th, 2012 at 8:07 am
303.hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Whoah, wait….Gasol for Melo? Seriously? I hadn’t watched NY when Melo came back so I do not know…
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I would do it, just because Gasol is playing so timidly right now. he is like a spurned little girl who is still pouting….and Melo is much younger than him and would be better in our half court offense than he is in NY’s run and gun offense. If we could get a serviceable big along with him, I say go for it.
Its not like we are going to win the championship again with this crew anyhow.
If we could get D. Williams for Gasol, I would do that too, but I think NJ believes Howard will sign with them this summer, and if Howard signs with them, Williams will stay, so I doubt they would do that deal. Besides, I think Chris Humphries is playing better than Gasol anyhow lol.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Chris Humphreys? LOL…anyways, see your point!
March 12th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Anyone who takes Manning is going to be a team that is going to mortgage the future for a short term window at a shot at the SB. But the long term effect will be a team that instantly has to go into full on rebuilding, just like the Colts are now.
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I think it depends on what team he goes to, and how set they are with young talent right now. In that case the only critical position they’ll have to concern themselves with is quarterback. Pretty easy to draft a guy that can learn and develop for a couple of years until Manning retires. That’s why I don’t believe that a team like Kansas City is completely out of it yet.
It’s still way early in the process, and all the media guys are scrambling to get a scoop. And get site hits.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:10 am
The Doctors say Manning’s neck is fine and he has no greater risk for sustaining a paralyzing neck injury than does any other player in the NFL.
If Manning wants to play, there is nothing the NFL can do about it.
If Manning breaks his neck, that will be on the Doctors who cleared him…..not the NFL
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NFL can’t hide behind doctors if Manning is paralyzed. His condition is degenerative in nature. My sister had a neck issue, and they welded some disks and then told her that she’d be coming back for more treatments at least every 5 years for more work. These types of injuries don’t just heal themselves. The mere act of walking over time will cause his situation to worsen. Neck injuries aren’t like other injuries. The issue never goes away. It’s a lifetime issue for Manning, whether he plays football again or not.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:12 am
I think it depends on what team he goes to, and how set they are with young talent right now. In that case the only critical position they’ll have to concern themselves with is quarterback. Pretty easy to draft a guy that can learn and develop for a couple of years until Manning retires.
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lol
And 15 years of clipboard holding QB’s on the Colts is testament to the idea that Manning understudies ever develop.
lol Teach
March 12th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if Manning, at the end of the week, calls it a career! Unlikely but possible!
March 12th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
March 12th, 2012 at 8:16 am
15 years of clipboard holding QB’s on the Colts is testament to the idea that Manning understudies ever develop
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@G123
hey, Jim Sorgi or Curtis Painter could be our #3QB next season.
bite your tongue sir !!
March 12th, 2012 at 8:17 am
I don’t see how the NFL would be culpable if Manning gets paralyzed.
HE is a making a concious decision, on his own volition, WITH his Dr’s. ok to continue playing. How in the world could the league be responsible with all that?
From what I’ve heard there isn’t even a question that he shouldn’t play, or is at any more risk than anybody else.
I think in THIS case, the league could stand behind Dr’s AND Peytons own decision to continue playing.
Personally, I think he’s not gonna be the same.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
318.guest123 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 8:10 am
The Doctors say Manning’s neck is fine and he has no greater risk for sustaining a paralyzing neck injury than does any other player in the NFL.
If Manning wants to play, there is nothing the NFL can do about it.
If Manning breaks his neck, that will be on the Doctors who cleared him…..not the NFL
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NFL can’t hide behind doctors if Manning is paralyzed. His condition is degenerative in nature. My sister had a neck issue, and they welded some disks and then told her that she’d be coming back for more treatments at least every 5 years for more work. These types of injuries don’t just heal themselves. The mere act of walking over time will cause his situation to worsen. Neck injuries aren’t like other injuries. The issue never goes away. It’s a lifetime issue for Manning, whether he plays football again or not.
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Doctors cleared him. I’ll take their word on the risk over yours….no offense or anything….
“Watkins, according to the sources, joined Colts neurosurgeon Dr. Hank Feuer in clearing Manning to play. One source said that Feuer recently told Manning, “If you were my own son, I’d tell [you] to go play.”
A spokesman for Watkins said in a one-paragraph email sent later Thursday night that the Colts’ star was cleared to play.
“Peyton Manning underwent a thorough medical re-evaluation as part of a postoperative visit with his surgeon,” Watkins’ statement read. “As a result of this examination, Manning is medically cleared to play professional football.”"
According to one source familiar with Manning’s medical review, “It’s not a safety issue; it’s a performance issue.” This source added that Manning is “making progress.”
Believe me, the NFL has ZERO ground to stand on if they tried to prevent Peyton Manning from resuming his profession. ZERO.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Guest,
Although there has been speculation in the past couple of years that Indy was going to start l
ooking for Peyton’s eventual replacement, the Colts never figured they had to develop anyone. At least that’s what they’ve said. They (and Manning) have said publicly that it never really concerned them because both parties figured he was going to be there, playing his nine thousandth career game in a row without missing a start.
His injury and subsequent abscence from the starting lineup was not expected or planned for. The next team he plays for will know that he’s only there for a short time and will, I’m sure, act a little differently.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:24 am
And the NFL will have zero responsibility if Manning is injured. Manning’s doctors cleared him, and he assumed any risk there may be in returning.
NFL has nothing to worry about. Even in a PR situation….Manning infront of the entire world declared that he just wants to play.
Since the NFL has no basis to stop him from playing, and the Drs cleared him to play, and Manning assumed the risk the NFL has no liability whatsoever.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Dennis Allen will have a bounty placed on Peyton Manning the day he signs with the Denver Broncos.
any Raider fans concerned with that guy’s health should get unconcerned real quick imo
Jason Tarver aka “mad scientist” is gonna send Tyvon Branch on a safety blitz to knock the piss out of Peyton the first time he goes 3 or 4 wide. his helmet will pop off. there will be pain. there will be tears. there will be a stretcher
I hope Peyton signs with Miami or Arizona … for his sake
March 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Bud Adams really stepping out on a limb with his wanting Manning so bad. Says he’ll “be very disappointed” if Titans don’t get “their man”.
I wonder how Hasselbeck feels when he hears that?
He’s not gonna get him and they’ll be left with a QB in Hasselbeck who knows he really isn’t the org’s first choice.
Makes no sense for Adams to go public with that statement. The fact he did will not make Manning get up and say “Well since he went public with wanting me, I’m gonna go to Tenn.”
The deal would be done behind the scenes anyway.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Just give Wimbley his 6 mill. and say goodbye so we can all get on with our lives.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
DJ,
I doubt the Titans are worried what old azz Hasselback thinks. They should be more worried about what their future QB Locker thinks…..but is he good enough for the team to even care what he thinks?
March 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
It’s a free country, and if Manning can’t live with 15 Hall of Fame years, SB title, and all the accolades now, I don’t think he ever will. He’s being selfish with his family be choosing to comeback like this. The younger people won’t agree w/me on this I know.
But there’s a lot to live for at the tender age of late 30’s to risk your extremities for money, fame, and glory. And I agree with others, he will never be the same Peyton again.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:38 am
I wonder how Hasselbeck feels when he hears that?
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He’s probably fine with it. He’s on rented time and his career is longer than most thought it would be. Even now, he’s mentoring Jack Locker to be the next franchise QB. I don’t think Hasselbeck feels in any way slighted.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:40 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Dennis Allen will have a bounty placed on Peyton Manning the day he signs with the Denver Broncos.
any Raider fans concerned with that guy’s health should get unconcerned real quick imo
Jason Tarver aka “mad scientist” is gonna send Tyvon Branch on a safety blitz to knock the piss out of Peyton the first time he goes 3 or 4 wide. his helmet will pop off. there will be pain. there will be tears. there will be a stretcher
I hope Peyton signs with Miami or Arizona … for his sake
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I would hope that the Raiders have more class than to put a bounty on Peyton Manning. Absolutely try and hit him as hard and as often as you can within the rules, but the bounty thing is just bush league.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:44 am
I would also hope that the Branch blitz doesn’t come when they are three or four wide, especially with the current state of our secondary.
Manning would dice that to pieces.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:45 am
The next team Peyton plays for will know that he’s only there for a short time and will, I’m sure, act a little differently.
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@ Teach
Peyton will decide who he plays for and part of the condition of employment is that he does it his way. And his way has never involved any mentoring or competition for the QB position. He’s been all Alpha Male QB his entire career. What makes you think he’s going to soften up like a lot of other Vet QB’s and gracefully bow out to the young draft pick that’s chomping at the bit for his job? A leapard doesn’t change his spots, and Peyton’s not going to change to fit into any transition plan. What he will do is leave any team that takes him a complete trainwreck.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I would also hope that the Branch blitz doesn’t come when they are three or four wide, especially with the current state of our secondary.
Manning would dice that to pieces.
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No doubt the decision making skills are still there, but the arm speed is seriously in doubt, and if he can’t get the ball off as quickly as he once did, Branch will be on him like white on rice.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I just thought it makes no sense for Adams to come out and go public with confirming that he’d like someone better than who he has as his current starter…I forgot that Locker was starting for them at the end of the season.
Which brings up wondering how Locker feels about that.
Maybe he doesn’t care. He’s a big boy.
Tenn. has little chance of getting Manning…if any.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:50 am
J Hill,
I wouldn’t trade David Lee for Andrew Bynum.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:50 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Dennis Allen will have a bounty placed on Peyton Manning the day he signs with the Denver Broncos.
any Raider fans concerned with that guy’s health should get unconcerned real quick imo
Jason Tarver aka “mad scientist”
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Where did you hear that?
March 12th, 2012 at 8:51 am
@ Teach
Peyton will decide who he plays for and part of the condition of employment is that he does it his way. And his way has never involved any mentoring or competition for the QB position. He’s been all Alpha Male QB his entire career. What makes you think he’s going to soften up like a lot of other Vet QB’s and gracefully bow out to the young draft pick that’s chomping at the bit for his job? A leapard doesn’t change his spots, and Peyton’s not going to change to fit into any transition plan. What he will do is leave any team that takes him a complete trainwreck.
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That, if it happens, is on the team that signs him. He may have a say in who the team brings in for the short term and a few other things, but he can’t stop them drafting a young quarterback if they want to in a year or two.
Any team that didn’t pay attention to what happened in Indy deserves to be a trainwreck after he’s gone.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:51 am
I like the “mad scientist” moniker for Tarver. I hope that sticks.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I really hope Peyton goes to Denver.
Very short-sighted move by them, and I will go on the record and say they won’t get past the 2nd round of the playoffs with him, which is right where they were last year.
Also, if Peyton goes to Denver, you can just about ink us in on the late-night MNF opener game again, in Denver.
March 12th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Man, I got excited when I saw that guard Steve Hutchinson had been released by the Viqueens…..but then I found out that he is 34. Guess he probably has a couple more good years in him…..but he probably wouldn’t fit our puzzy zone blocking scheme.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I agree, JFB. Maybe it’s just the media hyping up the visit (remember that Schefter used to be a Denver beat writer and is tight with those bastards, and Bill Williamson used to cover them as well), but I have a hard time believing that Manning thinks that the Broncos give him the best chance to win now.
He may end up there, I don’t know. I don’t claim to know what he’s thinking. I just think that everybody in the media is real eager to get him signed, and the best story for the hacks is Denver. That, in my opinion, is why Denver is “in the lead” right now.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I would hope that the Raiders have more class than to put a bounty on Peyton Manning. Absolutely try and hit him as hard and as often as you can within the rules, but the bounty thing is just bush league.
I would also hope that the Branch blitz doesn’t come when they are three or four wide, especially with the current state of our secondary.
Manning would dice that to pieces.
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@ Teach
you think we’re rolling into the 2012 season with DVD, Chekwa & Underwood as our Top 3 CB’s ???
LOL!
as for the Raiders being “classy” , apparently some Raider fans forgot why they became Raider fans in the first place. the Raiders have always had a reputation for being dirty. Maybe that changes with the passing of Al Davis? I don’t know. the Raiders should continue to do whatever it takes to win. in or outside of the rules
go read or listen to the Autumn Wind. you know what a pirate is? or what a pirate does?
some of you Raider fans probably want to move the team back to L.A. and call us the Metros
which is odd, because Hue Jackson would have fit in perfectly
March 12th, 2012 at 9:02 am
keep this crap off the Raiders blog please. Your opinions on politics & religion are ignorant and unacceptable. This junk is what we’ve come to expect from PM crew guys like MR & Kell, but we in the AM crew strive to make this a better blog in the early mornings before the trolls show up
Thanks,
Management
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Why are you so concerned with what people are posting? It’s not your blog, you don’t work for IBA, and the most you can do is complain to the Real Blog Management.
You should also stop insulting people and their opinions by using words like filth & crap to describe their opinions or topics.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Nothing wrong with being “Classy” RR.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
RR,
Dont forget: WWJD?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
our puzzy zone blocking scheme.
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Dakota picking up what ROG is throwing down?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Raider O has a personal agenda with me, it seems
March 12th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Rockstar,,
Please don’t patronize me. I’ve been a Raider fan since 1964, and I know the history well. That isht may have flown back in the day, but it don’t fly now. Somebody takes a cheap shot at Manning and hurts him nowadays, they’re going to get a call from the commissioner’s office. The Saints have made sure that the scrutiny will be even tighter.
And no, I don’t expect those guys to make up the starting lineup, but with our cap issues and no draft picks to speak of I’m not expecting a shutdown secondary in Oakland next year, either.
So, you want to take a cheap shot at Manning and hurt him, go ahead. You want to blitz the guy when they’re three or four wide, be my guest. Just don’t complain about the consequences.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
@ Raider O
if you want to know what Jesus would do, read the Bible.
makes sense, doesn’t it?
you’re going to learn very little about Jesus on a Raiders blog written by Steve & Jerry, which is moderated by Jon
I don’t think you’re going to learn much abouts politics or racism here either … nor should you
March 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
We don’t have cap issues anymore. We are under the cap, with room to wiggle considering there are big money deals untouched on the roster.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I don’t think you’re going to learn much abouts politics or racism here either … nor should you
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You can learn all about racism from… just ask Debo. It’s amazing that I even have time to post between the KKK meetings, the Nazi meetings, and all my other redneck antics.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I really hope Peyton goes to Denver.
Very short-sighted move by them, and I will go on the record and say they won’t get past the 2nd round of the playoffs with him, which is right where they were last year.
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Haha!! Really? So how far do they go with Tebow?? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Elway thinks he can do a little better with Peyton. Please let the Cardinals sign him.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:16 am
bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
We don’t have cap issues anymore. We are under the cap, with room to wiggle considering there are big money deals untouched on the roster.
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We have an issue if we want to sign any top-level players. Yes, we have some room. We also have no depth at linebacker, no backup quarterback, and still have to do something about the secondary. It’s not like we’re 30 million under.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I don’t think you’re going to learn much abouts politics or racism here either … nor should you
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You can learn all about racism from… just ask Debo. It’s amazing that I even have time to post between the KKK meetings, the Nazi meetings, and all my other redneck antics.
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It’s about time you came clean.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am
357.edward teach Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:16 am
bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
We don’t have cap issues anymore. We are under the cap, with room to wiggle considering there are big money deals untouched on the roster.
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We have an issue if we want to sign any top-level players. Yes, we have some room. We also have no depth at linebacker, no backup quarterback, and still have to do something about the secondary. It’s not like we’re 30 million under.
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The cap never has been and never will be a problem. We go through this fire drill every year. I’m sure a lot of you guys can’t wait to do it again this time next year. Drama queens. LOL!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:23 am
no, I don’t expect those guys to make up the starting lineup, but with our cap issues and no draft picks to speak of I’m not expecting a shutdown secondary in Oakland next year, either.
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@Teach
we are already under the cap, right?
we can save some more loot by restructuring the contracts of Seabass, Shane & Kelly imo.
we can also cut John Henderson & Kam Wimbley.
Reggie McKenzie has an eye for talent. He’ll have 2 draft picks, plus the 3 comp picks awarded by the league. Then theres undrafted guys and cheap vet signings
I suspect we’ll have a fine secondary next season. Allen & Tarver both played DB back in the day. I don’t think they are gonna throw trash back there and expect great results. Obviously Routt & CJ37 weren’t good enough. It wasn’t just about the money. now worried about Peyton Manning at this stage in his career. He didn’t exactly whipe the floor with us in 2010, did he? They won the game because they out-muscled us. The “finesse” colts ran the ball and stuffed the run – it was embarrassing. I remember it well
March 12th, 2012 at 9:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Raider O has a personal agenda with me, it seems
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I like you bro, but I don’t like it when you attack people’s opinions and statements. Also, I don’t think you should be the president of the TP fan club. I read your posts about Tebow. You are impeached.
I used to read the Bible, but I have not done that in a long time. I should read it again. me and Jesus come from the same place.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:27 am
We have an issue if we want to sign any top-level players. Yes, we have some room. We also have no depth at linebacker, no backup quarterback, and still have to do something about the secondary. It’s not like we’re 30 million under
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LB’s are McClain, Curry and probably some cheap guy like Groves, Williams or Brown – a little known guy that Reggie McKenzie will find and he’ll impress everybody in OTA’s, came & preseason
Pryor = #2 QB
secondary addressed in previous comment by RRS (#359)
March 12th, 2012 at 9:27 am
“redneck antics.”?
That is very funny.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
* came = camp *
March 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Question: IS JC gonna be given the opportunity to compete for the #1 or is CP3 a shoe in? I would hate to think its Palmers job without any competition for the position. If some blog fans are so butt hurt about it, I say give JC the chance to win the job, put a little heat there. May the best QB get the #1 and the loser be a good sport back up #2.
I do think if the Raiders have JC or CP3 as a back up with the othe one the #1, we’ll have the best 1-2 at the position and TP a up and coming #3, and better soon to be #2 and someday the #1.
I’m only saying this because some people think JC is getting a raw deal. That’s cool, but if we keep JC and he loses out for the #1, then no more snivelling. If JC wins the #1 over CP3, we’ll rally behind JC and CP3 is relegated to a back up. And its all good.
Is Campbell still around or does he have suitors or is ReggieM/Allen keeping him aboard?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Can’t we all just get along!?!?!?!?!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
@ Raider O
it’s a bit hypocritical for you to tell me what not to do or basically to mind my own business, while you’re not doing the same …
this is and never was about you or any of your comments today. we buried the hatchet last week and the first thing you do this morning is get involved in a comment I made to Kirk & Ed Teach
Kirk is nowhere to be found. Teach and I are back to discussing Raider football
Again – whats the problem?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
If the cap isn’t an issue, then why is Reggie trying to restructure Wimbley?
Oh, that’s right. So he can afford to improve the team in other areas.
The number is what the number is, and while I agree that it sometimes gets more emphasis than it should, it does exist and has to be worked around. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see us having the flexibilty that some other teams have, money-wise. We are barely under right now, and even if we rework a few more deals we still won’t have as much to play with as some of our opponents. As I’m sure you’re aware, free agency is typically a bidding war for a player’s services. If another team can offer more money than the Raiders can, 9 times out of 10 said player is going to go where the money is.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:34 am
@ Tuna
Jason Campbell is done in Oakland, unless he wants to sign a new contract to be Palmer’s backup.
Raiders #2 QB wont pay as well as JC made previously ($4.5 million?)
plus my man Pryor is waiting in the wings and he might outshine JC this offseason.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am
BCZ.. you say redneck antics like its a bad thing !!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@ Raider O
it’s a bit hypocritical for you to tell me what not to do or basically to mind my own business, while you’re not doing the same …
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I didn’t say you should mind your own business, but I did say that you shouldn’t use insults to describe people’s opinions and topics.
I said you don’t work for IBA, so you shouldn’t act like it.
I’m sure that’s so simple even for a podunkian.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
357.RaiderDebo Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I don’t think you’re going to learn much abouts politics or racism here either … nor should you
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You can learn all about racism from… just ask Debo. It’s amazing that I even have time to post between the KKK meetings, the Nazi meetings, and all my other redneck antics.
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It’s about time you came clean.
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Part of the Nazi/KKK code. You have to be honest about your racist intentions.
I even rooted for Hue Jackson just to lull everyone into a false sense of security so I could tar and feather all the non-arians on our team… it almost worked too, if only Debo and his Sherlockian detective skills hadn’t caught on.
By the way this years plan is to change our team color from that dispicable black to a more appealing Nazi red at home, and Klan white for the traveling lynch mobs.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
#364 – we all know who the better QB is and no amount of competition will convince those in here with an agenda that Palmer is better.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Haha!! Really? So how far do they go with Tebow??
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Well WE KNOW FOR FACT, that they can go to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
And I don’t think that is their/his ceiling.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I even rooted for Hue Jackson just to lull everyone into a false sense of security so I could tar and feather all the non-arians on our team… it almost worked too, if only Debo and his Sherlockian detective skills hadn’t caught on.
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You should help me set a trap for preppie.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Go ahead Debo… you can save that post as ‘Proof of my racism’… maybe store it with my ‘racist manifesto’ that you say you have but can’t reproduce.
All the posters in here that can’t read through sarcasm (or just you…)will actually believe you when you call me racist.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:42 am
You should help me set a trap for preppie.
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Debo Holmes would just foil it again
March 12th, 2012 at 9:42 am
If the cap isn’t an issue, then why is Reggie trying to restructure Wimbley?
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@Teach
JFB said the same thing earlier. maybe it was a few days ago?
I think many Raider fans are confused by this due to Jerry Mac’s idiotic statement that the cap is NEVER an issue and it’s often used as an excuse to cut somebody who may be a fan favorite. Jerry says teams keep the players they want to keep
that doesn’t seem to be the case with Kam.. or is it ???
March 12th, 2012 at 9:42 am
You should help me set a trap for preppie.
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I’m so glad that you decided to take my advice, O.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:43 am
After the Bay Area’s scribes met with The Reggie, if started to be reported that the Raiders would not offer Soup a contract, any type of contract, to come back, nor would Soup be at all interested in returning.
He is off to go start a handful of games somewhere until some youngster takes the reigns.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:44 am
If Elway reels Manning into Denver, it will only be to mentor Tebow. Why else would Elway want Manning. He sees Tebows potential and greatness, and what better mentor the Manning. Elway ain’t no dummy. PM get a 1 or 2 year deal to be Tebows back-up and thats the truth of the matter. Nothing else.
And Moss to the niners? RRReeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy??????????
My crystal ball says he’ll either be a great great asset for Smith and Co. and get them over the hump or just the opposite. We shall see.
Also, expect Bush to stay and Wimbley to stay. Raiders mean business this year. They’re Super Bowl bound.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
edward teach Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
If the cap isn’t an issue, then why is Reggie trying to restructure Wimbley?
Oh, that’s right. So he can afford to improve the team in other areas.
The number is what the number is, and while I agree that it sometimes gets more emphasis than it should, it does exist and has to be worked around. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see us having the flexibilty that some other teams have, money-wise. We are barely under right now, and even if we rework a few more deals we still won’t have as much to play with as some of our opponents. As I’m sure you’re aware, free agency is typically a bidding war for a player’s services. If another team can offer more money than the Raiders can, 9 times out of 10 said player is going to go where the money is.
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When has spending money in free agency ever been a problem here, either for our own players or from other teams? We can argue about whether or not we paid the right ones, but they all got paid top dollar. I repeat, the cap never was and never will be an issue. And having cap “flexibility” doesn’t always equate to success either. Just ask Cincy and Tampa Bay. Reggie is known as a guy who knows talent. We can see that already in the players he’s kept (Huff, Curry, and Seymour) and one he’s trying to keep (Wimbley). Don’t know a thing about DA, but we’ll just have to wait and see what kind of guys they can bring in here.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
If Peyton goes to Denver, I would get on the phone immediately and offer them a 2013 3rd rounder for Tebow.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
ET,
Still LMAO every time I think about it.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Hard to say, Rockstar. I don’t know what kind of value RM and DA put on Wimbley’s being here.
Personally, I hope they’re able to get it worked out. I don’t think he’s an elite player but I do think he’s a good one, and maybe with a competent DC he can be more of a weapon.
We shall see.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:48 am
When has spending money in free agency ever been a problem here, either for our own players or from other teams?
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It has never been a problem because Al would mortgage the future for the present.
Now that we are in the future, McKenzie is having to cut guys he likes like Wimbley FOR SALARY CAP PURPOSES ONLY, and we won’t sign squat in FA the next 2 years.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Don’t get me wrong, Debo. I want you to be 100% right on this one. At least we can both have some confidence that we have the right man for the job.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am
RR,
Like I said dude, I don’t have a problem with you. I was offering some free advice.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am
bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Go ahead Debo… you can save that post as ‘Proof of my racism’… maybe store it with my ‘racist manifesto’ that you say you have but can’t reproduce.
All the posters in here that can’t read through sarcasm (or just you…)will actually believe you when you call me racist.
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I spend about an hour a week on it. If it’s in the archives, I’m sure I’ll find it. Maybe you can help me out. Did you write it the day JR was cut?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I wouldn’t trade David Lee for Andrew Bynum.
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We don’t believe you.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
You can do it, O!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I spend about an hour a week on it. If it’s in the archives, I’m sure I’ll find it. Maybe you can help me out. Did you write it the day JR was cut?
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really, you need to gat a life girl !!!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am
389.J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I wouldn’t trade David Lee for Andrew Bynum.
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We don’t believe you.
NO!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:54 am
What up NATION?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
If Peyton goes to Denver, I would get on the phone immediately and offer them a 2013 3rd rounder for Tebow.
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So you saying tebow has a higher ceiling than TPRYOR?
March 12th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I don’t think other NFL teams view JC as the answer at QB. You can win with him, but I don’t think he is going to win you many games. He is a Dilfer type QB IMO. He needs a great team around him to win.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:56 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827864f9/article/report-broncos-could-deal-tebow-if-manning-signs-on?module=HP11_content_stream
This article has it all wrong. Why would the Broncos give up their long term franchise QB who has 12-15 years with them for a once great QB like Manning who has maybe a year or two of servicability left. Just doesn’t make one iota of sense. Could the Broncos front office really be that stupid? I think they can really be that stupid, but nobody in their right mind dumps Tebow after he beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year. Is PM the magic magic-man thats going to take them to the next level of play offs? I think not. Tebow will bury us, Manning won’t. Lets hope the Broncos front office is really that stupid.
March 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Debo Holmes
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LOL!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Thec.. good day sir !!
March 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
So you saying tebow has a higher ceiling than TPRYOR?
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I can’t understand why anyone would think Tebow is better than TP.
Tebow can’t throw. You can’t be a QB, if you can’t throw the ball.
TP > Tebow
March 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:48 am
When has spending money in free agency ever been a problem here, either for our own players or from other teams?
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It has never been a problem because Al would mortgage the future for the present.
Now that we are in the future, McKenzie is having to cut guys he likes like Wimbley FOR SALARY CAP PURPOSES ONLY, and we won’t sign squat in FA the next 2 years.
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Mortagage the future??? For what, the last 10 years?That phrase is even more mythical then “salary cap Hell”! And you’re the one who likes to make fun of people wearing “tin foil hats”. Cutting Wimbley won’t have sht to do with the cap. I just hope you can start getting a good night’s sleep again when he goes to the Chargers this week. LOL!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am
LB’s are McClain, Curry and probably some cheap guy like Groves, Williams or Brown – a little known guy that Reggie McKenzie will find and he’ll impress everybody in OTA’s, came & preseason
Pryor = #2 QB
secondary addressed in previous comment by RRS (#359)
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So let it be written, so let it be done…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Lets hope the Broncos front office is really that stupid
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@Combination Plate
they are!!
Denver just wants an excuse to dump Tebow. I think they might even cut him before Manning signs with anybody. That way if there is any backlash from dungver fans they can say “well, we thought we were getting Peyton Manning – but it didn’t work out”
March 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I would get on the phone immediately and offer them a 2013 3rd rounder for Tebow.
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Why?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Tebow will be converted to RB or TE, or he will be out of the league by 2015.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Cut Wimbley already…Tebow sells tickets, and apparently has a lucky clover or something cause he also wins…no way Denver trades that nugget.
Mannig: Seattle? Miami? Tenn?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Thec.. good day sir !!
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What’s going on Bro. hope all is well…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
is having to cut guys he likes like Wimbley FOR SALARY CAP PURPOSES ONLY
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False.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I would get on the phone immediately and offer them a 2013 3rd rounder for Tebow.
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Why?
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I can’t understand it. I have been asking him the same question.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
If Peyton goes to Denver, I would get on the phone immediately and offer them a 2013 3rd rounder for Tebow.
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Why, because he’s a God fearin Republican?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I can’t understand why anyone would think Tebow is better than TP.
Tebow can’t throw. You can’t be a QB, if you can’t throw the ball.
TP > Tebow
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Truth from a Semi….
Tebow will be traded to jacksonville
March 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Tebow can’t throw. You can’t be a QB, if you can’t throw the ball
Tebow will be converted to RB or TE, or he will be out of the league by 2015
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Raider O = silly
March 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
lol @ LA Metros! Hot pink and Fushia would be good colors for them.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Tebow will be traded to jacksonville
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that would be sweet!!
March 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
What most people do not realize is that the denver oline is not that good. the are great at running the ball however, protecting the QB they fail. Now manning does have the quick release so he may not need the time however, him in denver will not be qa cake walk.
He could easily get jacked up…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Unless Tebow changes his style of play he’s not going to be in the league for 12-15 years.
Patriots beat the heck out of him in their playoff game. Guys don’t sustain that type of beating over the long term and remain effective.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Raider O = New & Improved President of The TP Fan Club.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:06 am
There’s an interesting window coming up here.
Technically, the Raiders don’t have to cut Wimbley till the 17th of March. Free agency opens up tommorow. So we can hold him a few days and let the big money fly off the table. Then call Wimbley’s bluff of a mega-dollar contract. Re-work the deal or else. We’re already under the cap so no problem waiting a few days and let Kam twist in the wind.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Raider O = New & Improved President of The TP Fan Club.
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Thec = Tresurer of the TP fan club…Let me touch the money…..
March 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I for one hope the Donkeys keep Tebow.
The guy is turrible. Him, Vince Young, Mike Vick … Not afraid AT ALL to face those type of QBs.
Give me the guy who can consistantly throw the ball any day of the week.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Thec Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
What most people do not realize is that the denver oline is not that good. the are great at running the ball however, protecting the QB they fail. Now manning does have the quick release so he may not need the time however, him in denver will not be qa cake walk.
He could easily get jacked up…
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Denver’s Oline is miles ahead of Indy’s. And Peyton will attract FAs. It’ll be bad news for us if he signs there.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Thec Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
What most people do not realize is that the denver oline is not that good. the are great at running the ball however, protecting the QB they fail. Now manning does have the quick release so he may not need the time however, him in denver will not be qa cake walk.
He could easily get jacked up…
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Who’s to say Manning’s arm speed is still the same? I hear it will be a long process to get back to where it once was, if it ever does for that matter.
I agree, Manning will get jacked up now more than ever. It will not be pretty to watch.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Cut Wimbley, he is overpaid, take your pill and continue with the detox…jeesh.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Thec is right. Orton was a statue and got murdered behind that o-line. Tebow put that team on his shoulders and willed them to the playoffs as a run/pass double threat with leadership and resolve we’ve never seen before
if Orton starts all year last season for the Donkeys, they finish 4th in the AFC West instead of 1st …
print it
March 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Could Manning evens last a full season in the Mile High altitude? I agree that Denver really is that stupid. They got a nugget with Tebow but he is a work in progress and the suggestion that Manning becomes his mentor is spot on. Manning a full season in the Mile High as a starter? I don’t think so.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:10 am
J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I for one hope the Donkeys keep Tebow.
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agreed.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Thec,
I can understand SOME of the hype over Tebow, but thinking he can be better than TP is just wrong.
TP is a better athlete, and he is a better QB. TP needs to improve hs throwing motion, but he doesn’t miss wide open WRs less than 10 yards away.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:11 am
J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I for one hope the Donkeys keep Tebow.
The guy is turrible. Him, Vince Young, Mike Vick … Not afraid AT ALL to face those type of QBs.
Give me the guy who can consistantly throw the ball any day of the week.
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Someody help me out, but I don’t think the Raiders have ever beaten VY or Vick. The Eagles would score 100 pts against us.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Aaron Rogers, Cam Newton, Luck, RG3, Brees, Mannings, Brady, Palmer.
All guys who can throw the ball.
I’d take Glo and Alex Smith over Tebow.
Kitna, Hasselbeck, Gardowski too.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Thec = Tresurer of the TP fan club…Let me touch the money…..
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LMAO
OK but you can’t “touch the money”
March 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Thec is right. Orton was a statue and got murdered behind that o-line. Tebow put that team on his shoulders and willed them to the playoffs as a run/pass double threat with leadership and resolve we’ve never seen before
if Orton starts all year last season for the Donkeys, they finish 4th in the AFC West instead of 1st …
print it
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Why does Elway want Peyton?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am
manning plays againsts the New Raids D he will get jacked up…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Tebow put that team on his shoulders and willed them to the playoffs
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Now what the hell does “willing” mean? Some sort of adverb outside of passing, punting, or kicking? IMO, the most overused platitude the national media use to exalt the one who needs exalting. So it was just Tebow, the other 52 guys had no will, no soul to win. Tebow won despite their lack of will?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am
J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Aaron Rogers, Cam Newton, Luck, RG3, Brees, Mannings, Brady, Palmer.
All guys who can throw the ball.
I’d take Glo and Alex Smith over Tebow.
Kitna, Hasselbeck, Gardowski too.
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C’mon man, Gardkowski?? Coin flip at best.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Thec = Tresurer of the TP fan club…Let me touch the money…..
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LMAO
OK but you can’t “touch the money”
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Damn…vetoed before I even start….that’s mean Bruh..
March 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I can understand SOME of the hype over Tebow, but thinking he can be better than TP is just wrong.
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really? Tebow beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year. what the hell did TP achieve in 2011?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am
LMAO
OK but you can’t “touch the money”
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I knew that was coming, lol. Nobody touches O’s money
March 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
really? Tebow beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year. what the hell did TP achieve in 2011?
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with a D that had some heart, we would have blasted picks outta the water….
March 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Like I said before. I rather face Tebow twice a year over Facing Manning. Manning makes everyone arounf him better, but Tebow needs everyone to have a great game just so they can have a chance to win with him playing QB..
Why do you think Elway & Fox are looks to upgrade that position? It’s not because they have a young stud at QB.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I’m taking Bruce Gardowski over Tebow all day long.
Tebow gets ANYWHERE near a team that I have a say in, and he’s playing OLB.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I knew that was coming, lol. Nobody touches O’s money
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O is freaking cold hearted….lol
March 12th, 2012 at 10:17 am
There’s an interesting window coming up here.
Technically, the Raiders don’t have to cut Wimbley till the 17th of March. Free agency opens up tommorow. So we can hold him a few days and let the big money fly off the table. Then call Wimbley’s bluff of a mega-dollar contract. Re-work the deal or else. We’re already under the cap so no problem waiting a few days and let Kam twist in the wind.
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Agreed 100%
March 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am
J Hill Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I’m taking Bruce Gardowski over Tebow all day long.
Tebow gets ANYWHERE near a team that I have a say in, and he’s playing OLB.
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Dude would make an awesome SAM…Great sideline to sideline speed…Can attack the ball….
March 12th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Why does Elway want Peyton?
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Because he can’t stand Tebow, and everyone knows it. I know I’m regurgitating here, and it’s not an original thought, but Manning is probably the only QB in existence that could keep it from becoming a firestorm in Denver.
That won’t stop the media, though. They’re hoping it all happens so that they can try and start one anyway.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Teblow would be best used as a Chris Cooley type of H back/TE.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Like I said before. I rather face Tebow twice a year over Facing Manning. Manning makes everyone arounf him better, but Tebow needs everyone to have a great game just so they can have a chance to win with him playing QB..
Why do you think Elway & Fox are looks to upgrade that position? It’s not because they have a young stud at QB.
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I do not look forward to the specter of facing manning twice a year neck or not…
So here’s to hoping he does get jacked up when he plays the Raids….
March 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
You can’t trap me Musrafa!
BTW Pryor is gonna wash out at QB, sorry. Same as all other Ohio qbs…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:21 am
time to escape….All you Guys have a great day…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
You too, Thec.
Come back when you can stay longer!
March 12th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Now what the hell does “willing” mean?
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@G123
Tim Tebow took a team with very little talent and made them a playoff team. He milked the most out of a subpar supporting cast.
Like I said, Orton would have went 4-12 with the same exact team..
March 12th, 2012 at 10:25 am
@Teach
JFB said the same thing earlier. maybe it was a few days ago?
I think many Raider fans are confused by this due to Jerry Mac’s idiotic statement that the cap is NEVER an issue and it’s often used as an excuse to cut somebody who may be a fan favorite. Jerry says teams keep the players they want to keep
that doesn’t seem to be the case with Kam.. or is it ???
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Cutting Kam isn’t a cap thing, its the amount of GUARANTEED money the guy is due. Fan favorite or not he isn’t worth 11 million per year!
Like I said this morning, the Raiders aren’t going to cut Kam until 3:59pm eastern on Friday (I know his money isn’t guaranteed till saturday, but the league doesnt allow weekend transactions, so if he isn’t cut before the close of business friday his money is then guaranteed) in order to get the high bidders out out of there, and dry up the market on him so to speak.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:25 am
So the Jets re-upped their NT.
First thing I thought was who????
Looked it up and this guy was a 3rd rd pick in 2005. Was pretty much a backup rotational player until the big fella (forgot his name) blew out his knee.
Not hard to find a big ugly man, I’m tellin you.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Whoever says Denver signs Peyton to be Tebow’s backup is on some kind of drugs.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:27 am
401.Thec Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am
LB’s are McClain, Curry and probably some cheap guy like Groves, Williams or Brown – a little known guy that Reggie McKenzie will find and he’ll impress everybody in OTA’s, came & preseason
Pryor = #2 QB
secondary addressed in previous comment by RRS (#359)
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So let it be written, so let it be done…
I’m sent here by the chosen one!
What’s up, thec?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:27 am
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really? Tebow beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year. what the hell did TP achieve in 2011?
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The completed 10 passes against the them (10/21). 10!!!! Denver won that game. Not Tebow.
He completed 9 passes against the Pats. 9/26, and Denver lost that game.
Tebow is a liability at QB. Even Rex G made it to a SB with a great team around him.
His teammates play hard for him, but he is still a liability at QB.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Looked it up and this guy was a 3rd rd pick in 2005. Was pretty much a backup rotational player until the big fella (forgot his name) blew out his knee.
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Kris Jenkins… Seone Pouha is a very good NT. Would have liked to grab him.
Miami is officially out of the Manning sweepstakes
March 12th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I’m sent here by the chosen one!
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Hwnrdr = JaMarcus’ buddy?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:29 am
#417 – nice post
March 12th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Cutting Kam isn’t a cap thing, its the amount of GUARANTEED money the guy is due. Fan favorite or not he isn’t worth 11 million per year!
Like I said this morning, the Raiders aren’t going to cut Kam until 3:59pm eastern on Friday (I know his money isn’t guaranteed till saturday, but the league doesnt allow weekend transactions, so if he isn’t cut before the close of business friday his money is then guaranteed) in order to get the high bidders out out of there, and dry up the market on him so to speak.
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Thanks for that, Bcz. I hate the money side of sports and try and ignore as much of it as I can, so it’s nice to have someone that can stomach it long enough to get to the details.
I guess my response to waiting for the market to dry up would be, if a team (or teams) really wants him wouldn’t they just wait it out? We’re only talking a couple of days, right?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Miami is officially out of the Manning sweepstakes
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really, bcz?
where did you see that?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
So let it be written, so let it be done…
I’m sent here by the chosen one!
What’s up, thec?
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Gotta love a little Creeping Death to get the day going.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Tim Tebow took a team with very little talent and made them a playoff team. He milked the most out of a subpar supporting cast.
Like I said, Orton would have went 4-12 with the same exact team..
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So, no account for the Defense healing up and jelling as the season went on. No account for the fact that Orton was consistently getting 250 yards passing per game and making Brandon Lloyd an All-Pro. No account for the switch from Knowshon Moreno to Willis McGahee. No account for the sheer luck (some will call out divine interlude) of how all the pieces fell their way. They were an 8-8 team for chrissakes, and we still hear about how one man, one hero, for God and Country “willed” his team to victory. (…God Bless America…song in the background)
March 12th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
You can’t trap me Musrafa!
BTW Pryor is gonna wash out at QB, sorry. Same as all other Ohio qbs…
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Gotcha you preppie bastard. My TP trap worked!
What should I do now ET? Make it quick, or get the bat and start working.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I can’t help, O. I’m laughing too hard.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Sounds like Bud Adams may be willing to give up some ownership to Peyton. Are the Titans a new favorite to land him?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
really, bcz?
where did you see that?
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A buddy is a big Dolphins fan, said he saw it this morning, but he just text me and said it could be bogus.
I think it is a fair guess to say that they never really had a shot in the first place.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
I guess my response to waiting for the market to dry up would be, if a team (or teams) really wants him wouldn’t they just wait it out? We’re only talking a couple of days, right?
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Yes – not a lot of pass rushers on the market this offseason. the only guy that will get signed prior to Friday evening might be Mario Williams
the “losers” of the MW derby might get into a bidding war for Kam’s services. Every team in the league wants a pass rusher (especially us!). I think that is what Kam and his agent are expecting. They’ll be happy to cash in the $6.5 million from Mark Davis and go sign a 4-year $38 million contract elsewhere.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Combination Plate Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:56 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827864f9/article/report-broncos-could-deal-tebow-if-manning-signs-on?module=HP11_content_stream
This article has it all wrong. Why would the Broncos give up their long term franchise QB who has 12-15 years with them for a once great QB like Manning who has maybe a year or two of servicability left. Just doesn’t make one iota of sense. Could the Broncos front office really be that stupid? I think they can really be that stupid, but nobody in their right mind dumps Tebow after he beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year. Is PM the magic magic-man thats going to take them to the next level of play offs? I think not. Tebow will bury us, Manning won’t. Lets hope the Broncos front office is really that stupid.
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LOL at anybody who thinks of Tim Tebow as a competent NFL quarterback, let alone a “Franchise QB.” Tebow’s a good athlete who’s hilariously miscast under center.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I knew that was coming, lol. Nobody touches O’s money
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O is freaking cold hearted….lol
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LMAO
March 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Sounds like Bud Adams may be willing to give up some ownership to Peyton. Are the Titans a new favorite to land him?
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Bud Adams should give him controlling interest. That old man lost it a long time ago.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Combination Plate Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 9:56 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827864f9/article/report-broncos-could-deal-tebow-if-manning-signs-on?module=HP11_content_stream
This article has it all wrong. Why would the Broncos give up their long term franchise QB who has 12-15 years with them for a once great QB like Manning who has maybe a year or two of servicability left. Just doesn’t make one iota of sense. Could the Broncos front office really be that stupid? I think they can really be that stupid, but nobody in their right mind dumps Tebow after he beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year. Is PM the magic magic-man thats going to take them to the next level of play offs? I think not. Tebow will bury us, Manning won’t. Lets hope the Broncos front office is really that stupid.
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LOL at anybody who thinks of Tim Tebow as a competent NFL quarterback, let alone a “Franchise QB.” Tebow’s a good athlete who’s hilariously miscast under center.
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This is Denver’s excuse to get rid of Tebow without a fan revolt. I bet they throw the Kitchen sink at Manning.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am
The real question regarding Tebow is who besides Jacksonville is willing to trade for him. I mean he could be a great X-Factor wildcat guy but not a full time QB.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am
This is Denver’s excuse to get rid of Tebow without a fan revolt. I bet they throw the Kitchen sink at Manning
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AW is correct and I think this one is going to bite Dungver in the butt
March 12th, 2012 at 10:40 am
ET,
I knew preppie couldn’t resist all that talk about TP (destroyed his team for 3 consecutive years).
March 12th, 2012 at 10:40 am
So you saying tebow has a higher ceiling than TPRYOR?
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Being that he was a 1st round pick and not a 3rd , and accomplished more in college and so far in the pro’s, I would have to say yes.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
A source with “knowledge of the dynamics in Denver” tells Profootballtalk.com Tim Tebow will likely be traded if the Broncos sign free agent Peyton Manning.
The Jaguars would reportedly be “in the mix” to acquire Tebow were he made available. Profootballtalk.com also reports Tebow is expected to remain the starter if the Broncos are unable land Manning, as they have already “done their due diligence” on the upcoming free-agent class, and are having a “hard time finding anyone who would be interested in becoming the focal point of the fury of the Tebowmaniacs.” Manning appears to be the only way out of a situation neither Broncos coach John Fox nor VP of Football Operations John Elway want anything to do with.
Mar 11 – 8:29 AM
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
per Roto!
March 12th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Well, something I overlooked, when slotting Franklin as my No. 7 free agent wasn’t what he could do, but rather what he couldn’t. He couldn’t rush the passer and therefore couldn’t play every down. In a rather startling oversight, I failed to realize the significance of Franklin playing only 12 snaps all year in a nickel defense,
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Interesting stuff when thinking about that DT we might pickup.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Make no mistake, there will still be some fan revolt with Peyton.
My boss is a 20 year Bronco season ticket holder. Him and his wife and 2 daughters wear Tebow jerseys to every game.
He is panicing right now. Seriously.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Why would Jax want to trade for Tebow. Didn’t they draft Blaine Gabbert? Is Tebow better than Gabbert?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
You’re a crafty one, O.
Now all you have to do is remember why you set the trap!
March 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Tim Tebow
7/29/2010: Signed a five-year, $9.75 million contract. The deal contains $8.7 million guaranteed, including a $6.275 million option bonus in the second year. Another $23.25 million is available through incentives, though $9 million of them are “unlikely to be earned.” $1,537,500 of the incentives are available through a “likely to be earned” onetime escalator. 2012: $1.1 million, 2013: $1.055 million, 2014: $670,000, 2015: Free Agent
@ BCZ
any idea what his 2012 “cap number” is ???
March 12th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Being that he was a 1st round pick and not a 3rd , and accomplished more in college and so far in the pro’s, I would have to say yes.
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Is he a better athlete than TP?
Can he throw better than TP?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
460.bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
So let it be written, so let it be done…
I’m sent here by the chosen one!
What’s up, thec?
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Gotta love a little Creeping Death to get the day going.
YES!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Why would Jax want to trade for Tebow. Didn’t they draft Blaine Gabbert? Is Tebow better than Gabbert?
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ESPN: the owner has dictated it to his staff if Peyton is signed…. Not about who is better on field it is who will sell tickets and create splash.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
the new President of the TP fan club is seriously weak
is that all you’ve got?
a comparison to Tim Tebow ???
Pfft
March 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
You gotta wonder about Tebow’s trade value. What would he realistically go for if the only team who would possibly want him is Jacksonville. Also the Jags remember traded up to get into the top 10 to take Gabbert. And their new OC is a pocket passer system coordinator. Don’t think he’d be too warm to Tebow’s run first system. And realistically Tebow will never be a pocket passer. Not with that baseball windup.
I say the Jags lowball a 6th round offer. Take it or leave it. And the Donks will agree.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
For years nose tackles were thought to be the big, plodding Casey Hampton type. They’d eat up blocks and prevent teams from running up either ‘A gap’. However, in recent years we’ve seen teams look for more impact plays from the spot, and for guys that can play in any situation. The constant success of Jay Ratliff in the Dallas defense and the excellence of Shaun Rogers in his debut season in Cleveland saw teams prepared to give guys who can get up field a chance as the centerpiece on a three-man defensive line. One of these guys to thrive in this role was Antonio Garay who came out of nowhere in 2010 to put forth a quite remarkable season.
What makes Garay different is that unlike both Pouha and Soliai who can take on double teams and play two gaps, Garay is very much an explosive, penetrating lineman who is at his best attacking one gap and getting up field
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So why can’t we keep one of our guys who can “gap shooters” and plug him in the middle?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Since the owner played his hand in Jacksonville the trade value will be higher.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:49 am
456.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I’m sent here by the chosen one!
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Hwnrdr = JaMarcus’ buddy?
Well, technically…JaMarcus was Creeping Death…
March 12th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Now all you have to do is remember why you set the trap!
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LMAO
What would I do without all your help? I can’t thank you enough for everything you have done so far.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:50 am
No way would the Bronco’s just take a 6th rounder for Tebow.
Hell, that is pretty much nothing. They would just rather roll the dice and hope he looks better in preseason and see what they could get than, and if not just cut him, than take a 6th rounder in March for him.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Why would Jax want to trade for Tebow. Didn’t they draft Blaine Gabbert? Is Tebow better than Gabbert?
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That was my thought the minute I heard the rumor. Jax just spent a first-rounder on Gabbert. Don’t know that I’d give up on hm after just one year, especially for a guy that most in the league don’t think is a viable long-term solution as a QB. Tremendous waste of a high first-round pick, in my opinion.
Blaine Gabbert may be the only person outside of the AFC West that hopes that Manning doesn’t go to Denver. Even if the Jags don’t get Tebow after that, their fans will be on it like no other. Talk about a no-win situation.
March 12th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Tim Tebow would be a dream scenario for the Jags
bring him back to warm weather and his home state.
a division that is up for grabs. Texans losing Mario Williams & Chris Myers. Indy re-building.
pair him with MJD/Jennings and you’ve got a #1 rushing offense. you’re gonna sell tickets.
Mike Thomas & Marcedes Lewis are better than what he had to work with in Dungver
I think the defense is better too, on paper anyways
March 12th, 2012 at 10:56 am
I say the Jags lowball a 6th round offer. Take it or leave it. And the Donks will agree.
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Tebow has a modest contract, but I think you’re right.
Denver seems eager to dump him and nobody else wants him but J-Ville.
This is like when we traded Randy Moss to New England for a lowly 4th rounder that became John Bowie (Who ???)
March 12th, 2012 at 10:57 am
JaMarcus was Creeping Death
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thoughts, Debo?
March 12th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I want Peyton to go to Denver, that would be ideal.
First off, if we are going to fancy ourselves as playoff contenders and than some, you can’t be scared of a 36 year old QB who took a year off for neck surgery.
Second, Peyton could get hurt, and they will be a 3-13 team all over again, with no plan for the future.
I hope this happens.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@ BCZ
any idea what his 2012 “cap number” is ???
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His salary is 1.1 mil, and he has a 2.55 million roster bonus, not sure when that is due. Cap # is a nominal 3.5 mill
March 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am
RR,
I don’t think there is any comparison.
TP = Real QB
Tebow = hyped up RB pretending to be a QB.
You know I was joking about you being impeached. You are still the president if the TP fan club.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
If he’s coming to the AFC West, I hope it’s Denver.
Do not want to see Peyton Manning with the Chiefs. Weapons galore, a guy that will know how to use them, and a very tough young defense.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Mike Thomas & Marcedes Lewis are better than what he had to work with in Dungver
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Mike Thomas and Mercedes Lewis are better than Eric Decker and Demarious Thomas and Royal?
In what world? ‘Baby Calvin’ Thomas was the best receiver in the NFL over the last few weeks of the season.
Jacksonvilles ONLY threat is MJD. They need an entire WR core, and Lewis took about 12 steps back at the TE spot last year.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
TP = Real QB
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O strikes the heart of many Raider “fans” !!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:05 am
TP = Raw potential if he works hard could be Steve McNair if not could be Vince Young or worse. He has a better arm than Tebow that is for sure!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:07 am
It depends on what you want to do as an organization. Do you want to win and sell tickets that way, or do you bring in Tebow to sell tickets?
If A team can win with Tebow, then why are Fox and Elway determined to upgrade that position. Fox said publicly that he doesn’t think he can win with Tebow and that offense, and their actions this off-season don’t suggest otherwise.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:10 am
TP = Raw potential if he works hard could be Steve McNair if not could be Vince Young or worse. He has a better arm than Tebow that is for sure!
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I agree, and that is why I’m excited about hiring Knapp.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@bcz
Eddie Royal is a free agent and the donkeys have no plans to re-sign him. his career game is toasting DeAngelo Hall back in the MNF opener (2008?)
I like the trio of Lewis, Thomas & Osgood better than D Thomas, E Decker and some guy named Virgil Green.
please don’t refer to any horse humper wr’s as “Baby Calvin”
March 12th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:07 am
It depends on what you want to do as an organization. Do you want to win and sell tickets that way, or do you bring in Tebow to sell tickets?
If A team can win with Tebow, then why are Fox and Elway determined to upgrade that position. Fox said publicly that he doesn’t think he can win with Tebow and that offense, and their actions this off-season don’t suggest otherwise.
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Which is probably why the Broncos are pushing hard to get him, and why the Jags’ owner is adamant about grabbing Tebow if it does happen. Denver’s sold out every game they’ve played for years, and Jax is trying to survive. If I’m Blaine Gabbert’s agent I’m on the phone the minute Manning signs (if he does), if not sooner.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:14 am
His salary is 1.1 mil, and he has a 2.55 million roster bonus, not sure when that is due. Cap # is a nominal 3.5 mill
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@bcz
does that mean the mules would actually SAVE money by dumping Te-Man ?
March 12th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Fox said publicly that he doesn’t think he can win with Tebow and that offense,….
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wow, that john Fox is one dumb SOB. Tebow won a playoff game & ranked 3rd in comebacks this season. its like saying Doug Flutie aint playing in the playoff game cause Doug Johnson is taller…dumb.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Gotta run, gentlemen. Thanks for the conversation!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am
ET,
Maybe since its a new coaching staff, they can trade for Tebow to compete with Gabbert, but I don’t think that’s a good idea. It will hurt both QBs since both need a lot of work and all the snaps they can get, and it the organization will have to deal with the Tebow Fiasco.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Good day ET.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:16 am
please don’t refer to any horse humper wr’s as “Baby Calvin”
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I didn’t give him the nickname. Hes had it since college.
I think you are severely underestimating the Denver receiving core, or possibly severely OVER estimating the Jags receiving core. Either way, you are WAY off base.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Gabbert is never going to be a quality NFL QB. In fact, I will go so far as to say Tebow will have a better career as a passer than Gabbert will.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Raider O Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am
ET,
Maybe since its a new coaching staff, they can trade for Tebow to compete with Gabbert, but I don’t think that’s a good idea. It will hurt both QBs since both need a lot of work and all the snaps they can get, and it the organization will have to deal with the Tebow Fiasco.
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Exactly, O. Which is why if I’m Blaine Gabbert I’m on the first plane out if Tebow is coming on board.
Gabbert has to be at least as good as the other QBs behind Luck and Griffin in this yers’ draft. There are teams that probably wouldn’t bat an eye about trading for him (and his contract).
March 12th, 2012 at 11:19 am
# hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
460.bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
So let it be written, so let it be done…
I’m sent here by the chosen one!
What’s up, thec?
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Gotta love a little Creeping Death to get the day going.
YES!!!
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Word
I am actually listening to the Government Mule Led Zeppelin tribute album “The Holy Haunted House”
“California sunlight, sweet Calcutta rain
Honolulu Starbright – the song remains the same!!”
March 12th, 2012 at 11:20 am
I think you are severely underestimating the Denver receiving core
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this one!
donkey coaching staff = average
donkey qb’s not named tebow. (orton, quinn, weber, branstetter) = trash
donkey rb’s = average
donkey wr’s = trash
donkey te’s = trash
donkey oline = average
donkey defense = average
donkey kicker = excellent!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Fox said publicly that he doesn’t think he can win with Tebow and that offense,….
wow, that john Fox is one dumb SOB.
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Agreed with Macho Man. there goes Tebow’s trade value
Denver will be forced to take what they can get!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Fk Wimbley and his horse! GSW is only 3 games out of the 8th spot.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:23 am
CAP IS 120.6 MILLION
March 12th, 2012 at 11:25 am
donkey rb’s = average
Really? You give them too much credit.
dontkey rb’s = trash, (Moreno sucks, McGahee aging/injury prone)
March 12th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Wimbley has a severe case of R Seymour disease. Shows up for 3 games a year and the rest is history.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Blaine Gabbert & Tim Tebow both have reasonable contracts.
I don’t think Tebow would shy away from a QB competition.
if Gabbert does, it’s safe to say he’s not going to accomplish much in this league
Tebow was better than Orton, so it’s not going to be a huge shock if he beats out Gabbert.
and if Tebow doesn’t change his style of play and ends up getting hurt? Gabbert will have another shot to QB the Jags even if he does lose the QB battle during the offseason!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Kam is all about the money. I bet he can’t wait to be cut. It’s gotta kill him to see all that money fly for Mario and other big name FA’s. Regardless of the lack of FA DE’s, everyone’s cap number shrinks a bit more after 3 days of free agency. By Friday, it will be the second tier of “value FA’s”.
Kam will be kicking rocks when he sees the deals that are offered. He’ll still get paid, but he won’t come close to recouping his deal with Al. I hope the Raiders don’t cut him till 11:59 PM on Friday Night.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:29 am
MJD was the second leading receiver on the Jags last year.
Believe me JACKSONVILLE would take Denvers receivers over their own too.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I don’t think Tebow would shy away from a QB competition.
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I agree, especially considering that in Denver, he’ll be assigned clipboard holder, gatorade fetcher for Peyton.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
519.guest123 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:25 am
donkey rb’s = average
Really? You give them too much credit.
dontkey rb’s = trash, (Moreno sucks, McGahee aging/injury prone)
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What does that say about OUR defense to let those guys rush for over 200 yds. against us?
March 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I hope the Raiders don’t cut him till 11:59 PM on Friday Night.
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He has to be cut by 3:59pm eastern in order for the league to recognize the transaction as being completed on Friday, or his guarantees will become fully guaranteed.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am
I can’t even name any Jacksonville receivers, they are the suck.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
bcz24 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I hope the Raiders don’t cut him till 11:59 PM on Friday Night.
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He has to be cut by 3:59pm eastern in order for the league to recognize the transaction as being completed on Friday, or his guarantees will become fully guaranteed.
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All right then! 3:59 EST it is!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
“Tebow was better than Orton”
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Based on what? Fan demand??? His preseason did not indicate that. For those that say Denver would have been 4-12 with Orton – we have no idea what would have happened if Orton had stayed on. The Defense took time to gel and with a whole new coaching staff some things would have taken time to get going for them.
I really hope we get to see Tebow in Broncos blue for the next decade!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
What does that say about OUR defense to let those guys rush for over 200 yds. against us?
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I take no ownership of “OUR” defense. That was all on the pathetic UFL DC who’s name will not be mentioned.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am
MJD was the second leading receiver on the Jags last year.
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@BCZ
if DMAC stayed healthy a whole season, he might be #1 in receptions!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
I really hope we get to see Tebow in Broncos blue for the next decade!!!
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As much as I like that option, I really, really want to see Peyton in Donkey Blue/orange for the rest of his short career. He isn’t the same man, and will break down quickly. His ego is too large to allow a safety net QB behind him. So when the wheels come off in dungver, they will be off for a decade. What could be better?
March 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
In fact, I will go so far as to say Tebow will have a better career as a passer than Gabbert will.
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I bought into the Gabbert pre-draft hype a little too much, about his great work since he was a teenager with his QB coach and all that.
Not sure what you call it in football, but in baseball, what he does is step in the bucket. When you can’t hit the inside fastball, you bail and flail.
He doesn’t like being hit, and throws fade-away passes to get a step ahead of contact. Crowd the WR and LOS, and he is useless.
I think he won’t be long in this league.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I can’t even name any Jacksonville receivers, they are the suck
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they were good enough to allow Garrard 4 or 5 TD’s against us in 2010
March 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Gabbert completed 50% of hiss passes and he was a rookie. Cam & Dalton had fantastic seasons and both completed over 58% of their passes.
Tebow was in his sexing year in the league, threw less, and still couldn’t avg 50%.
Are you kidding me?!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Gabbert completed 50% of hiss passes and he was a rookie. Cam & Dalton had fantastic seasons and both completed over 58% of their passes.
Tebow was in his second year in the league, threw less, and still couldn’t avg 50%.
Are you kidding me?!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
all right then! 3:59 EST it is!
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and 38 seconds.
Allowing just enough time for 2 rings and a fax confirmation.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Well the first thing that Gabbert needs to do is get rid of that Laura Ingalls hair curls. Makes him look like an even bigger pvssy than he is when he curls up in the fetal position.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Damn!
I thought it didn’t post.
Damn you auto-correct!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
they were good enough to allow Garrard 4 or 5 TD’s against us in 2010
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Since when is our defense a measuring stick for relative offensive success?
March 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am
GSW is only 3 games out of the 8th spot.
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A winning record since we started starting Udoh.
David Lee + Ekpe Udoh are actually an above average NBA frontcourt.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am
530.guest123 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
What does that say about OUR defense to let those guys rush for over 200 yds. against us?
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I take no ownership of “OUR” defense. That was all on the pathetic UFL DC who’s name will not be mentioned.
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I agree. My bad.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@BCZ
if DMAC stayed healthy a whole season, he might be #1 in receptions!
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That wouldn’t be saying much, but your boy DHB had 64 receptions, I doubt if DMAC would ever get more than 40-45. I would be seriously worried about our receiving core if DMAC led the team in receptions.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Raider O,
That is like the 5th time this weekend, you are valuing a QB based on completion percentage.
Stop it!!!!
Gabbert is garbage, has no heart, and completed a bunch of 4 yard passes to get his 58%. His 210 completions only had 4 completions of 40+ yards, for a ratio of 1 out of 52, 2nd worst in the NFL behind only Mark Sanchez.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Since when is our defense a measuring stick for relative offensive success?
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@G123
99% of Raider fans loved our defense under DC John Marshall when we were #2 in sacks and had Nnamdi Asomugha in the secondary
I was among the 1% .. stuff the run = win the game .. ROMAC = fraud
March 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Thomlinson had 100 receptions one year and the SD offense didn’t skip a beat. I have no problem with DMAC being an 80 catch guy. In fact, use him in space, and watch a little 3 yard throw go for 20 or more. The key is get him in space. 40 to 45 catches for DMAC (in a fully healthy season) is way way too low. He needs to be emphasized with at least 7 targets a game. He’s the best player. You have to use him more.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am
your boy DHB had 64 receptions
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@bcz
yup. this year King Darrius will have 75-90 catches !!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:48 am
541.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am
GSW is only 3 games out of the 8th spot.
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A winning record since we started starting Udoh.
David Lee + Ekpe Udoh are actually an above average NBA frontcourt.
They had a good weekend! i was supposed to be there this past Saturday, but my friends chose not to go because they felt it was better to go to a party instead…oh well, to be young again!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@G123
99% of Raider fans loved our defense under DC John Marshall when we were #2 in sacks and had Nnamdi Asomugha in the secondary
I was among the 1% .. stuff the run = win the game .. ROMAC = fraud
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I admit I was with the 99%. We just didn’t have the offense back then that we do now.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Hoping for 80-85 receptions from Darren McFadden is pretty pie in the sky if you ask me.
I am at about 50/50 he will give us 100 CARRIES this season.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Hoping for 80-85 receptions from Darren McFadden is pretty pie in the sky if you ask me.
I am at about 50/50 he will give us 100 CARRIES this season.
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Yeah, I’m pretty optimitic. But if DMAC goes down for a long stretch, I will back waaaaay off any hopes for 2012. As DMAC goes, so go the Raiders.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:53 am
It took M Jackson 2 months to realize Biedrins was killing the team. D Wright also needs more time on the bench, why start that cat ? Udoh is turning into something VERY nice. Nate (mini 50 cent) is a nice spark off the bench especially when Curry tweaks his feet/ankles every other game.
When does Kwame return?
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hwnrdr Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:48 am
A winning record since we started starting Udoh.
David Lee + Ekpe Udoh are actually an above average NBA frontcourt.
They had a good weekend! i was supposed to be there this past Saturday, but my friends chose not to go because they felt it was better to go to a party instead…oh well, to be young again!
March 12th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Trade DMAC for Tebow!
Then cut the poseur.
March 12th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Wright played pretty well last night. He is a bit streaky, but he is a decent on-the-ball perimeter defender, and doesn’t seem to try to do too much offensively.
Nate Robinson is cool as a backup, and is also a really good defender, but his high-wire act will eventually run thin. He is not a natural PG and his assist to turnover ratio isn’t very good.
Udoh is a future NBA all-first team defender.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Wright hit some 3’s last night but he needs to sit down and earn his minutes. K thompson can hit 3’s and can make his own shot and handles the ball extremely well for a rookie. B rush can also hit those 3’s so why the Fk is Wright the starter?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Because Wright is the better defender.
Rush is kind of flattening out. The man has horrible hands, he is constantly dropping passes and rebounds, and fumbling dribbles.
I like him, but either he can’t catch or the minutes are adding up on him.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
because maybe Wright was the man last year…but, different type of O, yeah he needs to sit and provide spark off the bench!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
547.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am
your boy DHB had 64 receptions
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@bcz
yup. this year King Darrius will have 75-90 catches !!
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What up RR?????
Do you think we are set at WR or do we get a vet?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I think Klay is better off the bench than he would be as a starter (at least now), and Wright is better as a starter than he would be off the bench.
Klay is banging out 20+ minutes a night of late, 27 last night, so he is almost playing just as much as Wright anyways.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
What is our nickel defense going to look like next year?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Can we cut Wimbley please, so we can move on to the next topic?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Manning and Wayne are going to Miami, Houston or Arizona!
Manning isn’t going to play in the cold weather in Denver and he doesn’t have as many good weapons as he would with the other teams above.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Waddup Nation.
Rack ‘em
March 12th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
yup. this year King Darrius will have 75-90 catches !!
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only if he gets 180 targets!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
What is our nickel defense going to look like next year?
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It might look different on a damn near week-to-week basis.
I don’t think you will see a D-line of some of our slower rushers like Seymour, Houston and Bryant though. Need some quickness off the edge.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
562.DKnight007 Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Manning and Wayne are going to Miami, Houston or Arizona!
Manning isn’t going to play in the cold weather in Denver and he doesn’t have as many good weapons as he would with the other teams above.
Schefter reported that he will now visit Miami, and…Tennessee!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Allen and Tarver are going to strive to be one of the msot diverse defenses in the league. May not happen overnight, but it will happen.
Some of us Semi-Pro’s are going to have to step our game up and hit the “film” room!!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Do you think we are set at WR or do we get a vet?
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whats up CJL?
I think we’re good at WR.
DHB, Moore, Ford & Murphy are your top 4 wides
5th & 6th wr’s might as well be Hagan & Schilens.
or perhaps even JLH !!!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Schefter reported that he will now visit Miami, and…Tennessee
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@Hwnrdr
I thought it was reported just this morning that he wasn’t making any more visits ?
LOL
March 12th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
569.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 12th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Schefter reported that he will now visit Miami, and…Tennessee
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@Hwnrdr
I thought it was reported just this morning that he wasn’t making any more visits ?
LOL
Right?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
It might look different on a damn near week-to-week basis.
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Could you be a bit more specific?
Who do you think the 4 DLmen will be?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Allen and Tarver are going to strive to be one of the msot diverse defenses in the league. May not happen overnight, but it will happen.
Some of us Semi-Pro’s are going to have to step our game up and hit the “film” room!!!!
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@JFB
thats why you’re paying us [Jhill & RRS] the big bucks!!
My contract = a lease to hunt on your property, wear jeans to work every friday and a bucket of KFC twice a month on the day of your choosing
March 12th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
My contract = a lease to hunt on your property, wear jeans to work every friday and a bucket of KFC twice a month on the day of your choosing
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LOL… I wear jeans to work EVERY day… well, except in the summer. I wear shorts in the summer.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Manning visits doubled.
Donkeys & Cards … add Titans & Fish
then they’ll say Manning is done with visits and this or that team is the front runner.
then he’ll schedule two more visits, LOL
he is gonna draft this thing on past the draft
March 12th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
It doesn’t look like M Bush, is as coveted, as I thought. Hope he stays. Teams are using more than one back these days.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@AdamSchefter 12:13pm via UberSocial for BlackBerry
Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.
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What did the Cowboys and Redskins do this time? How did the get penalized, especially the Skins!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@bcz
I don’t know that JFB will approve of the whole “jeans” thing. I asked him if Jhill & I could wear bowling shirts like Tom Cable and he was not pleased. said something about John Herrera even wearing a suit. maybe the casual days are over? what does that mean for Dennis Allen though? can he still rock the visor?
does he have to wear a suit on the sidelines like Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio ??
March 12th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I wonder if Manning wants to play in the cold of Denver?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
My contract = a lease to hunt on your property, wear jeans to work every friday and a bucket of KFC twice a month on the day of your choosing
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You are free to hunt wherever you want, you have an expense account for your KFC, but jeans ARE NOT ALLOWED on site.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@AdamSchefter
All that money goes to 28 other teams — $1.6 million each — except for Saints and Raiders, who don’t get any but don’t lose any.
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Piss on this news!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bowling shirts and SLACKS will be ALLOWED on Friday’s, but not encouraged.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Skins and Boys penalized due to illegal front loading of contracts in the uncapped year of 2010.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Redskins lose $36 million in cap space
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that would be funny if RG3 priced himself out of the Redskins ability to sign!
with the rookie cap I’m not sure that is possible, but it would be hilarious since they just traded their future away to the Rams
March 12th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Kam Wimbley is a good playa and we made a good deal to get him for a 3rd round pick. Al wanted him because Kam had one of those 3 sack games against the Raiders when we had that creep Barry Sims and Wimbley worked him in one of his great efforts against a slow OT who has no clue.
Cut him now. He is not worth 11 million. He’s worth about 5 million and somebody else will pick him up and give it to him and combine it with the 6.5 million we have to pay him. Hence he’ll still get his 11 million.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Could you be a bit more specific?
Who do you think the 4 DLmen will be?
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Not sure if we will even have 4 D-lineman. You might see a lot of this 5 guys rushing, only 1 of them with a hand on the ground stuff.
But gun to my head, I would say it will be TK, Shonasty, Trevor Scott-type replacement, anddddd………I don’t know the 4th.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Why are the Saints and Raiders excluded?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I don’t know that JFB will approve of the whole “jeans” thing. I asked him if Jhill & I could wear bowling shirts like Tom Cable and he was not pleased. said something about John Herrera even wearing a suit. maybe the casual days are over? what does that mean for Dennis Allen though? can he still rock the visor
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I am a bean counting capologist. I do my job from home. I will throw some pants on for office days or game day.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I think on the open market, Wimbley will get around 4 years 21 million, 13 or so guaranteed.
And I doubt he will overly please his new employer.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@AdamSchefter
All that money goes to 28 other teams — $1.6 million each — except for Saints and Raiders, who don’t get any but don’t lose any.
Piss on this news!
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@G123
the NFL still hates the Raiders. I guess the passing of Al Davis didn’t change our perception in their eyes.
Raiders = most penalized team of 2012?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
But gun to my head, I would say it will be TK, Shonasty, Trevor Scott-type replacement, anddddd………I don’t know the 4th.
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What role do you see Des Bryant and Houston playing next year?
No Seymour in nickle situations?
March 12th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Welcome to Washington RG3, we were going to get you Vincent Jackson. Now you’ll have nothing and like it.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Dennis Allen will be encouraged to wear the visor.
All NFL approved Raider headgear can be worn around the facility, however you cannot wear your cover indoors, just like the Marines.
March 12th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
So they are taking cap space from the Cowboys and Skins for a smart business decision in front loading contracts, and distributing it to everyone BUT Oakland and NO? First, why the hell are the punishing smart owners for good business practices, and secondly why are the saints and Raiders excluded from the distribution?
Maybe thats why DHB’s cap # is 8 something this year. Must be Al tried to pay it all as salary in ‘10 but the league told him he couldnt…
March 12th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Here is a little soemthing to take the edge off of the “nothing to report” withdraw.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/3/12/2864090/oakland-raiders-free-agent-wishlist-cornerback#storyjump
March 12th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I am a bean counting capologist. I do my job from home. I will throw some pants on for office days or game day.
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LOL!
I wish my wife would let me sit around the house on Raider sundays, naked eating cheetos.
her family always shows up unannounced. and most of the time I like to grill outside. no privacy fence
:/
March 12th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
something…OK!!!
March 12th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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