Former Raider signs with Patriots
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, March 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders defensive end Trevor Scott is the latest to follow the well-worn trail from Oakland to New England, as he signed with the Patriots today.
In recent seasons, the Patriots have traded for or signed numerous former Raiders, including defensive end Derrick Burgess, running back LaMont Jordan, wide receiver Doug Gabriel, quarterback Andrew Walter and most recently cornerback Sterling Moore.
Scott spent his first four NFL seasons with the Raiders and shined in the early going. However, he wasn’t the same after he suffered a torn ACL against the Pittsburgh Steelers late in the 2010 season.
He posted only seven tackles last season as a seldom-used end. He is versatile enough to play outside linebacker, which no doubt enticed the Patriots into taking a flier on him today.
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March 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
EARTH SHATTERING ..
March 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Good luck Trevor.
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
March 17th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
…And nothing was lost.
March 17th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
#3
March 17th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Raider nation baby!!
March 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Patriots always sign our utility scrub guys and turn them into “Superstars”. I really dislike the Patriots! I will be thrilled to the bone when Bellicheat and his Patriots “heyday elite” days “best team that ever exisited” in NFL history days are over for good! With that being said Congrats are in order for Trevor. lol
March 17th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Scott was one of my favorites. Too bad he got hurt. His first two seasons, he was actually doing much better than Chris Long. Bummer…
March 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Watch, Scott will have a great year.
March 17th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Was Winston scheduled to meet with us too?
March 17th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Well there goes Eric Winston, he signed with the Queefs…FML!!!!!, Well maybe we’ll get collins from cincinnati or Bell from Buffalo
March 17th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Scott will be cut by week 4 of the pre season.
March 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The end.
New thread Cokring
March 17th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Brady Quinn is a Queef as well….
March 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Late Winter Raiders wish-list:
#1: Bring in more proven — yet healthy — Cornerbacks.
#2: Make sure MBush29’s replacement is ready to go…but, not just an unproven talent like TaiJones (who could be great). Better yet, find a way to keep MB29.
#3: Find the LB’s that will best fit the new system.
#4: DT/NT help. Yesterday.
#5: Sign another versatile, journeyman O-Lineman or three.
#6: Bring in a YOUNG/quick veteran WR (with hands)like Manningham.
#7: QB. Find out if David Garrard is healthy enough to play. NO to Leinart (his arm, and his lack of leadership skills). The #2 QB is likely to see regular-season action…get a real one.
#8: A “designated” pass-rush specialist…they come in handy. He can even be a new…
#9: …DE who can hold the edge.
#10: A big, yet fast, DB who can jump from Safety to LB to CB, depending on scheme/need.
March 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Burgess: Did nothing in NE.
Gabriel: Cut by NE and we got him back.
Jordan: Part of a RB-by-committee.
Walter: Cut in preseason.
Moore: Meh.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
#’s 8 & 9 sounds like Mario Williams!
March 17th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
#’s 8 & 9 sounds like Mario Williams!
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Who we didn’t have the $$$ for.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Reggie and Mark would’ve found the money for Mario if they wanted to. I like this approach better.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I used to be fond of Mike Bush until I realized how handicapped the OC is with plays when he’s in–he won’t, or can’t block. That means that when he’s in, the other team can be almost sure the ball is going to him, either a running play or he’s the guy on an outlet.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Jason Allen signs with the Bengals. I wonder if that means it’s down to the Saints and the Raiders for Tracy Porter?
I have a feeling that Porter is too expensive for us right now, but you never know.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
YO YO YO
Whut up, Party Nerds?
Man, my crotch is killing me – just did an hour of cardio, drank a Shamrock Shake and then assumed the doggy style position for nearly 45 minutes with this wasted stripper.
Thankfully I first remembered to put on my knee pads and water polo goggles.
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Here, I’ll play along.
So, that “stripper” was actually a male stripper which is why you had on knee pads and why you keep talking about white goo pouring out your ass right? Was he dressed up like the Indian Chief from the Village People?
March 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Maybe we’ll get lucky and Porter will sign with us!!!
March 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
IS REECE A RESTRICTED FREE AGENT?I SURE LIKE WHAT HE BRINGS TO THE TEAM.HOPE THE RAIDERS RESIGHN HIM..
March 17th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Don’t quote me on this but I think Reece got a 2nd round tender.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Sign T Porter.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
In the NFL no RB could start if he couldn’t block, MBush played on 85-90% of the snaps after DMC went down. If he couldn’t block that would be impossible………period
March 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Raiders for life Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Don’t quote me on this but I think Reece got a 2nd round tender.
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I think Reece is an Exclusive-Rights Free Agent, which means that once Reggie tendered him, he’s ours. Nobody else can sign him.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
DLF,
Reece is a RFA who received a 2nd round tender. Same as Bryant. I’m not sure what kind of tender did Brodine and McCann receive.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
One of the best or most exciting facets about Reggie McKenzie as GM btw, is that in years past, when the draft was over, so many of the interesting or key positional undrafted players were being picked up by every other franchise but the Raiders. I can see Reggie excelling in this regard especially this year, with only about 3-4 draft picks he has.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Really wanted Winston. he is a quality RT regardless of the system & a locker room leader. Have to hope the Chefs don’t come together. So far they’re signing everyone they want.
How are the Raiders going to address the dearth of playmakers on “d?” Another season of “if the offense doesn’t score @ least 35 it’s lights out?” Hmmm. . .
March 17th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Reece did get 2 RT. He’s awesome, I hope the new coaching staff utilizes his multiple skills.
March 17th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
The Raiders had no other option at RB last year other than Bush. Jones out. DMAC out. Period.
Bush is twinkle toes in short yardage. This Raider fan will not miss him.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Bush will never amount to anything. He had his chances with us, but he would not take advantage of them because his pride was wounded. Reggie knows this guy is not a football player, and I agree.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Bush is a helmet tapper, I made a decent play, now take me out.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
GG Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
One of the best or most exciting facets about Reggie McKenzie as GM btw, is that in years past, when the draft was over, so many of the interesting or key positional undrafted players were being picked up by every other franchise but the Raiders.
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Tommy Kelly was undrafted
Reece was undrafted
D Bryant was undrafted
3 of our starters last year were undrafted.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
PFW had MBush as the 3rd best FA RB after Matt Forte and the Balt. HB. He was also rated the 21st best FA out of the top 100 but he sucks in here………..LOL
March 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
GG Says:
One of the best or most exciting facets about Reggie McKenzie as GM btw, is that in years past, when the draft was over, so many of the interesting or key positional undrafted players were being picked up by every other franchise but the Raiders. I can see Reggie excelling in this regard especially this year, with only about 3-4 draft picks he has.
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People will reach at anything to make it seem like Al couldn’t find Players.
Relatively speaking, few undrafted guys ever make any impact at all in the NFL…but, Al Davis’ record of finding late round / undrafted FA talent is pretty hard to criticize — he was one of the best talent-evaluators the League ever saw. It was his early-round strikeouts that killed us more than anything…but it wasn’t for a lack of trying.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
PFW doesn’t know sh*t about anything.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Who the eff is PFW? Do they get paid to hire talent? Jason Campbell was rated high by lots of analysts this year. Guess what Priest.
Grad got a 2 yr contract
JC only a 1 yr contract.
Period!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
I think Al spent his wad on the high picks and left the lower rounds to others.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
O, BHP — You know how it goes in a blog…one guy says somebody can’t block, so it means the guy must not be able to block at all. Another guy says Al never found talent, so he must’ve never found any talent. The Gospel according to message board…no higher authority!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
from profootballtalk.com:
The Free Agent Hot 100
Posted by Evan Silva on March 13, 2012, 9:07 AM EDT
1. Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.
2. Texans defensive end Mario Williams. Signed with Bills.
3. Chargers wide receiver Vincent Jackson. Signed with Buccaneers.
4. Steelers wide receiver Mike Wallace (RFA).
5. Raiders linebacker Kamerion Wimbley.
6. Chargers offensive tackle Jared Gaither. Signed with Chargers.
7. Ravens cornerback Lardarius Webb (RFA).
8. Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan. Signed with Rams.
9. Chiefs cornerback Brandon Carr. Signed with Cowboys.
10. Rams wide receiver Brandon Lloyd. Signed with Patriots.
11. Saints offensive guard Carl Nicks. Signed with Buccaneers.
12. Titans defensive tackle Jason Jones. Signed with Seahawks.
13. Texans offensive tackle Eric Winston. Signed with Chiefs.
14. 49ers cornerback Carlos Rogers. Signed with 49ers.
15. Falcons defensive end John Abraham. Signed with Falcons.
16. Dolphins defensive tackle Paul Soliai. Signed with Dolphins.
17. Packers quarterback Matt Flynn.
18. Giants cornerback Terrell Thomas. Signed with Giants.
19. Saints wide receiver Marques Colston. Signed with Saints.
20. Patriots defensive end Mark Anderson.
21. Falcons linebacker Curtis Lofton.
22. Raiders running back Michael Bush.
23. Saints wide receiver Robert Meachem. Signed with Chargers.
24. Ravens offensive guard Ben Grubbs. Signed with Saints.
25. Eagles offensive guard Evan Mathis. Signed with Eagles.
26. Jaguars defensive end Jeremy Mincey. Signed with Jaguars.
27. Redskins safety LaRon Landry.
28. Chargers offensive tackle Marcus McNeill.
29. Giants cornerback Aaron Ross.
30. Cardinals offensive tackle Levi Brown. Signed with Cardinals.
31. Bills offensive tackle Demetrius Bell.
32. Rams cornerback Ronald Bartell. Signed with Raiders.
33. Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch.
34. Texans center Chris Myers. Signed with Texans.
35. Saints cornerback Tracy Porter.
36. Dolphins defensive end Kendall Langford. Signed with Rams.
37. Cardinals cornerback Richard Marshall. Signed with Dolphins.
38. Panthers linebacker Dan Connor. Signed with Cowboys.
39. Bengals offensive tackle Anthony Collins.
40. Lions cornerback Eric Wright. Signed with Buccaneers.
41. Browns running back Peyton Hillis. Signed with Chiefs.
42. Jaguars safety Dwight Lowery. Signed with Jaguars.
43. Chiefs quarterback Kyle Orton. Signed with Cowboys.
44. Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne. Signed with Colts.
45. Lions offensive tackle Jeff Backus. Signed with Lions.
46. Giants wide receiver Mario Manningham.
47. Seahawks defensive end Red Bryant. Signed with Seahawks.
48. Steelers cornerback William Gay.
49. Chargers running back Mike Tolbert.
50. Seahawks linebacker David Hawthorne.
51. Bengals safety Reggie Nelson.
52. Redskins linebacker London Fletcher.
53. Broncos defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley.
54. Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne. Signed with Jaguars.
55. Ravens linebacker Jarret Johnson. Signed with Chargers.
56. 49ers quarterback Alex Smith.
57. Colts wide receiver Pierre Garcon. Signed with Redskins.
58. Patriots defensive end Andre Carter.
59. Jaguars defensive end Matt Roth.
60. Bengals linebacker Manny Lawson.
61. Patriots running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis.
62. 49ers wide receiver Josh Morgan. Signed with Redskins.
63. Saints defensive tackle Aubrayo Franklin.
64. Giants offensive tackle Kareem McKenzie.
65. Vikings linebacker Erin Henderson.
66. Chargers defensive end Luis Castillo.
67. Raiders center Samson Satele.
68. 49ers safety Reggie Smith.
69. Lions running back Kevin Smith.
70. 49ers wide receiver Braylon Edwards.
71. Jets safety Jim Leonhard.
72. Bengals running back Cedric Benson.
73. Seahawks running back Justin Forsett.
74. Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell. Signed with Bears.
75. 49ers offensive guard Chilo Rachal.
76. Eagles defensive tackle Trevor Laws.
77. Bears safety Brandon Meriweather. Signed with Redskins.
78. Ravens defensive end Cory Redding. Signed with Colts.
79. Chiefs fullback Le’Ron McClain. Signed with Chargers.
80. Vikings cornerback Cedric Griffin. Signed with Redskins.
81. Cowboys wide receiver Laurent Robinson. Signed with Jaguars.
82. Cowboys tight end Martellus Bennett. Signed with Giants.
83. Vikings offensive guard Steve Hutchinson. Signed with Titans.
84. Raiders tight end Kevin Boss. Signed with Chiefs.
85. Rams center Jason Brown.
86. Jaguars quarterback David Garrard.
87. Raiders defensive end Jarvis Moss.
88. Chargers fullback Jacob Hester.
89. Bears cornerback Tim Jennings. Signed with Bears.
90. Redskins safety O.J. Atogwe.
91. Colts tight end Jacob Tamme.
92. Bengals defensive tackle Pat Sims.
93. Raiders defensive end Trevor Scott. Signed with Patriots.
94. 49ers wide receiver Ted Ginn.
95. Packers center Scott Wells. Signed with Rams.
96. Cardinals wide receiver Early Doucet.
97. Bears tight end Kellen Davis. Signed with Bears.
98. Bears defensive end Israel Idonije. Signed with Bears.
99. Seahawks tight end John Carlson. Signed with Vikings.
100. Colts tight end Dallas Clark.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Bryant was tendered/second rounder approx $1.95;
Reece, Bodine, McCann all three were/are exclusive rights tagged.
Branch franchised.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Hey, Al was the genius. Please review his first round picks for me.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So we should blame Al for all the early round busts, and credit someone else for finding Bush, Moore, Branch, Chaz, etc….
Al was a control freak. If he was involved in the early rounds, then you better believe he was involved in everything else including later rounds and URFAs.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Twocents can’t have it Twoways…either Al was in charge or he wasn’t.
You think ReggieMcK’s only going to pay attention to the first few picks he has, and then let somebody else make the later personnel decisions?
Pfffft.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Hayes, I’m talking about Al not Mckenzie. WTF?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Priest you predicted Bush would get close to $50 million in the FA market last season.
Are we even sure he will get 25% of that?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
AS FAR AS PASS PROTECTION,BUSH NEEDS IMPROVEMENT IMHO..
March 17th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
HD37,
God knows I didn’t agree with everything Al did, but we can’t blame him for all the mistakes and credit others for the success.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Here we go Lobo’s, Here we go…..woof, woof…..here we go Lobo’s, here we go…
March 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Hayes, could you please clarify your point, you have me mystified. What do Al And McKenzie have in common?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Al was a genius once. But that was a looooonnnng time ago. Thank goodness RM is in charge now.
If Bush was highly regarded by the people that ACTUALLY get paid to hire talent, he’d be gone by now.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Iowa State facing Kentucky in Louisville, and it sounds like a UK home game.
Cyclones are not blinking. This is a great game so far.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Of the FA’s available above, my hopes whom the Raiders sign:
Tulloch, Landry, Manningham, and Bush, Tolbert, or Green-Ellis (either one).
March 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Thx Qodrn1.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Next off season Raiders will be a player, just hope there worthwhile players.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Duh, Twocents…
You said Al let other people handle the later rounds, after Al handled the early signings. I said that was BS…and I pointed out that ReggieMcK (or any other GM) wouldn’t do such a stoopid thing either.
If you’re going to criticize the Old Man, at least make a valid point.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Sign CB T Porter!!!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I have got say this as a public service announcement. If you went to a public school, you have not been educated, you have been indoctrinated.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
[...] Scott was signed by the Pats today where he’ll no doubt become the darling of all media honks nationwide. At some point this season some lazy journalist out there will spend way too much time licking the man region of Belichick for his ability to unearth a player like Scott…as if dude never spent a minute of his career with the Raiders. [...]
March 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
priesttj Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
PFW had MBush as the 3rd best FA RB after Matt Forte and the Balt. HB. He was also rated the 21st best FA out of the top 100 but he sucks in here………..LOL
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Hi TJ, good to see you are back.
My comment to yours is that we in here have probably seen more of MBush and his shortcomings. When DMac went down MBush had two good games. I think that’s because there wasn’t all that much tape on him. After those two games he tanked the next 5 games. From what I can see, he can’t or won’t block in pass protection. He’s a real liability for our QB’s well being. Additionally, he can’t get to the edge on runs. On swing pass he’s OK but when they stack the box with 8, he’s stuffed. He terrible at the LOS unless there’s a hole a truck could drive through. He’s not a banger and goes down far too easy at the LOS.
I was a big MBush fan early on but, in my book, he’s proved that he’s not a legitimate #1 RB. When he starts, he runs out of gas far too early and he seems to stay away from hitting unless it’s against a smaller DB. He simply does NOT run with authority.
I’d like us to give Mike Tolbert a try as Bush’s replacement. Short of that, Reggie has 2 other RB’s signed that I don’t know much about. They both have Bush size. Could be we are already set for #2 RB and the ans don’t know about it yet.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
You don’t have to ’sell’ me on Al.
What I referred to was that we wouldn’t work out, especially in certain key positions that particular year, as many players as other teams would bring in.
With so few picks this year, Reggie will especially be more thorough with the undrafted player pool, and not neglecting any positions.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
60.Twocents Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I have got say this as a public service announcement. If you went to a public school, you have not been educated, you have been indoctrinated.
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I will add this addendum;
You are, however, not tied to any particular mindset or world view. You are free to form your own thoughts and act accordingly.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Haze, good luck in this life, BS will only get you so far.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Twocents Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I have got say this as a public service announcement. If you went to a public school, you have not been educated, you have been indoctrinated.
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I went to a public school and a public university.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Raider O, I believe it.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
You are, however, not tied to any particular mindset or world view. You are free to form your own thoughts and act accordingly.
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You need a working & capable brain to form thoughts and opinions based on facts and research.
We are in trouble!!!!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
We need a bruiser that is willing to put his shoulder pads down and run over people. Brandon Jacobs and M Bush are not those guys. Bush only runs into people because he can’t avoid them. This is from a former HUGE Bush fan.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Twocents Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Raider O, I believe it.
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LOL
Are you trying to humiliate me?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Bush isn’t a legit #1, but he is a damn good change of pace back… We do need to try and retain him, but if we can’t it won’t be the end of the world. Right now, though, I’d be working my ass off to get T. Porter.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
68.Raider O Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
You are, however, not tied to any particular mindset or world view. You are free to form your own thoughts and act accordingly.
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You need a working & capable brain to form thoughts and opinions based on facts and research.
We are in trouble!!!!
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I would argue that everyone has the capability. Whether they have the will to use it or not is another matter.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Code black
March 17th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Bush is good, but he isn’t worth the money it would require to keep him. I feel he can be replaced easily.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Twocents — You just went in a circle. First you criticized Al’s handling of late rounds/free agent signings…saying the Raiders are always missing the boat.
Then, when somebody pointed out that you were wrong about that, you basically said, “Well, Al only watched the early rounds, and let others handle the later signings.”
Then, others point out that Al would never concede ANY personnel decisions to somebody else (and why should he…he’s the GM!), and you melt-down.
You started a thread with a bad premise, which was shot down by numerous other posters, and all you can do is come at me with a personal slam. Very intellectual of you, Twocents…you’ve convinced us all you know what you’re talking about. Not.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Raider O, you got me again!
I know I could convince you to become a Libertarian, you are a sharp guy.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I would argue that everyone has the capability
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I have to disagree my friend. I had to deal with a lot of different people in different countries, and I truly believe most people are talking monkeys.
Look at the posts on this blog.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
FRESH BANNANA’S ANYONE ?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Trevor Scott Newest Patriots Plunder Of Oakland – Just Blog Baby – An Oakland Raiders Fan Site – News, Blogs, Opinion and more. Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
[...] Scott was signed by the Pats today where he’ll no doubt become the darling of all media honks nationwide. At some point this season some lazy journalist out there will spend way too much time licking the man region of Belichick for his ability to unearth a player like Scott…as if dude never spent a minute of his career with the Raiders. [...]
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So Very True.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
PFW may not get it nut the rest of the NFL does; Tolbert has been getting more FA attention than MBush; one more reason he won’t be donning the S & B. . .although I like him immensely. . .
March 17th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Twocents,
I have some libertarian views, but I don’t belong to any political party.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
The going rate for a guy like MBush29 (proven, durable, reliable) is around $3.5 – 4 Million per year on average. $10-12 Million-ish guaranteed, with $3.5+ per year on a 4-yr deal would do it. Not too many FA RB’s out there worth that, or much more than that.
Bring me Matt Forte (and trade DMC for a late 1st and a 3rd)…or bring back MBush29 as DMC’s stablemate!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
77.Raider O Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I would argue that everyone has the capability
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I have to disagree my friend. I had to deal with a lot of different people in different countries, and I truly believe most people are talking monkeys.
Look at the posts on this blog.
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Haha. Maybe I’m just too much of an optimist, but I have kids so I believe anything’s possible.
How ’bout them Buckeyes?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
FRESH BANNANA’S ANYONE ?
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You have enough for all the monkeys in here?
LOL
March 17th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Should have kept my mouth shut about Iowa State. They got close and hung on for awhile, but it looks like the pressure has gotten to them.
When you’re down double digits to a team like UK and your coach gets a T midway through the 2nd half, it’s pretty much over.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
antispy3 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
PFW may not get it nut the rest of the NFL does; Tolbert has been getting more FA attention than MBush; one more reason he won’t be donning the S & B. . .although I like him immensely. . .
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When Tolbert gets it at the 1, he takes it in for the score. MBush is not very good in close quarters. He had one time that I recall where he had 3 attempts from the one but couldn’t get it in. That’s unacceptable. Zach Crockett he’s NOT.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Raider O, I don’t either, I am an anarcho/capitalist. I would rather cast my fate with productive people than rely on the criminals that have invaded the government.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Wimbley was 5th? Talk about overrated.
Probably dod so to substantiate where he eventually winds up. . .but what a reach. . .seven sacks in TWO games? Shut out in most games of importance! And the Sack against the Jets was against Wayne Hunter on a blown assignment. . .not to wish him any ill will. . .but he was known as a “hot & cold” player (mostly cold) with the Brownies. . .
March 17th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
What do ya’ll think bout signing Pat sims?, trading away Tommy kelly for 2 or a 3, or straight up for DRC?
March 17th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
ET,
I have a kid too, and I worry a lot about her future. I think people are moving in the wrong direction. We used to honor and respect teachers, doctors, etc… Now we respect and admire athletes, entertainers, gangsters, etc… This happening all around the world. People in the past used to value education more than us now.
MONKEYS!!!!
How about them Buckeyes?! Gonzales who?
Go Buckeyes!!!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Gonzaga*
March 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
The US had a literacy rate of 98% before the government enacted public education.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I used to hear people cry about how they want to get educated but can’t afford it. Now we have all these programs available to help young people, and what do they do? They rather deal drugs.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Trevor Scott was without question the worst player on the defense last season.
New England did him a favor.
March 17th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Wimbley cut was much needed.
Lamar Houston had 1 tackle for every 11.5 snaps on the field (only player better was Branch with 1 every 10/and he plays both sides of the field).
Houston didn’t have many sacks, but that’s only because Wimbley reduced down to defensive end in passing situations (with his only 2 pass rushing techniques) and Oakland took Houston off the field.
Look for Lamar to have a much improved year.
So far, the off-season moves have been spot on!
March 17th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
I’m not calling people monkeys because they lack degrees or formal education. A lot of good smart people didn’t receive that type of education. Look at Steve Jobs. I think he took one or 2 classes at a community college before he dropped out.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
I’m done. I blame Twocents. He is a bad influence on me.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Trevor Scott never totally recovered after his knee injury in 2010. They weren’t going to bring him back in 2012. I suspect he’ll be cut or retire before the 2012 season begins.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
#26–All you have to do is watch the games. Go back and watch film. Bush seems not to know the slightest about blocking technique, or worse yet, he seems not to care about learning. To learn would mean teams might not view him as their featured back. In the past, not knowing how to block meant he could say, “You want me to be a fullback? But, fullbacks have to block, and that’s not my strength, you know?”
Seriously, any athlete who actually wants to learn how to block just moderately well can do so, but wanting to learn is the key.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
ET,
I have a kid too, and I worry a lot about her future. I think people are moving in the wrong direction. We used to honor and respect teachers, doctors, etc… Now we respect and admire athletes, entertainers, gangsters, etc… This happening all around the world. People in the past used to value education more than us now.
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There will always be room in the world for smart people that make good choices, O.
I tell my kids that their peers making bad choices can work to their advantage. Keep grinding and you’ll be ok. Can’t necesarily change the world, but you can certainly influence your own little corner of it.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Bush blocks just fine when he isn’t tired.
Last season he was the starter for the second half of the season and got lazy too often because he wasn’t in as good as shape as he needed to be.
For example, in the first San Diego game, he had a 20 yard run, the next play, the Raiders play action pass, and Bush missed his block, causing Palmer to throw a pick….
March 17th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Speaking of education.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
That outta about sum it up!
March 17th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Raider O, I was in my youth drawn to bad influences. I should have stayed the course. It turns out that those bad influences were better that the crp that the state has in store for us.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Peyton Savia = Million dollar moves, 10 cent finishes
Right now, he is about the 4th best PG on the floor.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Guys, this is the question that everybody has to deal with. Am I educated or am I indoctrinated.
Choose carefully because your life depends on it.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
its too bad al didnt have wolf, mckenzie run it the last 20 years and enjoy the end a little- instead of desperate -win this year or reshuffle at all cost approach
March 17th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
ET,
Your kids are lucky to have a father like you. I’m sure you tell them that all the time. I do. lol
March 17th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Twocents Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
The US had a literacy rate of 98% before the government enacted public education.
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Pure BS.
Like saying Al couldn’t find undrafted Free Agents.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
O — You tell ET’s kid’s how lucky they are to have a father like him? Does ET know this?
March 17th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Even just recently, if only Al could have taken Rodgers in that trade, things could’ve been much better. Sure, no guarantee Rodgers would be the same Rodgers, but we’d not have wasted a pick on Russell, and thus more picks for Palmer, would’ve had Rodgers throwing to Calvin Johnson, probably wouldn’t have been such a coaching carousel, Kiffin maybe stayed longer, persevered more and been more patient with Al.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
106.mikeschoice Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
its too bad al didnt have wolf, mckenzie run it the last 20 years and enjoy the end a little- instead of desperate -win this year or reshuffle at all cost approach
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You know what upset most about that? The fact if he really thought he was going all out whatever the cost he didn’t go for it enough.
He spent ridiculous money on certain players and positions and ignored key other ones.
C’mon. You’re telling me he couldn’t have gotten better than Justin “Freaking” Fargas (his actual middle name) Or Schweigert at safety?
Hey, if you wanna win now and screw the future for one more SB he could’ve gotten a lot better players.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
102,
Great video. Thank you.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
O — You tell ET’s kid’s how lucky they are to have a father like him? Does ET know this?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I knew it. I was thinking of adding a few words to clarify it, but I thought most people can understand the meaning.
I guess you were indoctrinated and not edgemucated. lol
(I’m joking)
March 17th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Here’s a little bit of advise to all the single guys…
DON’T GET MARRIED….ENJOY YOUR SINGLE LIFE AND PORK AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!
March 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Johnny — All it takes is one blown major-money contract to screw a team. Al had a few like that…and his desperation to win was evident, even if his approach was misguided at times.
I’m just glad Al never took the easy way out (settling for mediocrity or worse), and proud of how he went down swinging. I didn’t approve of many of his moves…but I sure approved of the way he maintained controlling interest of the one thing in life that he lived and died for. Pretty impressive stuff.
ps — Keep playing those Rockin’ Blues…push that corporate envelope a little bit, DJ Johnny (Fever)!
March 17th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Anyone have an idea what it would take for us to land Dallas Clark??
Knapp loves those TE’s and IMO we don’t have the right experience/talent at that position.
Seems like a great producing player to fill a need.
Thoughts?
March 17th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Ray –
Too much pork = cholesterol
March 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
36, the other kind of pork…the one that smells like fish, but tastes like chicken!!
AKA… the other White Meat that’s pink in the middle!!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
SK –
I don’t know that we need to add a “name” TE to the mix. The young guys we have are super-talented, and deserve to see the field more than they would’ve with even a KBoss still on the roster. Maybe adding a journeyman at the Vet minimum would be the way to go here.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Ray — If it tastes like chicken, you BOTH better get to the doctor.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
YO YO YO
Whut up, Party Nerds?
Man, my crotch is killing me – just did an hour of cardio, drank a Shamrock Shake and then assumed the doggy style position for nearly 45 minutes with this wasted stripper.
Thankfully I first remembered to put on my knee pads and water polo goggles.
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Here, I’ll play along.
So, that “stripper” was actually a male stripper which is why you had on knee pads and why you keep talking about white goo pouring out your ass right? Was he dressed up like the Indian Chief from the Village People?
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Oh, man! LMFAO!!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Twocents Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
The US had a literacy rate of 98% before the government enacted public education.
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I went to Fisher Middle school in San Jose in the mid 80’s and that was prob one of the worst school in the South Bay. My wife and her siblings went to public schools after arriving in the US in 1992. 20 yrs later….2 doctors, 1 engineer, and 1 cpa in her family. When I was oversea, we’d be lucky to be able to attend school. School is what you make of it. 99% of the time it’s all about the individual and the parents making the best of it.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Sounds like some of are having a good Saint Patty’s Day…FML!!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Whats up Hayes?
I wasn’t thinking so much a ‘name’ as I was thinking production. Ausberry is a converted TE that could probably use some mentoring and Gordon and Myers should only be seen as blocking TE’s/ST’s.
I want actual production from that position, not what we got last year.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
r8eray Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Here’s a little bit of advise to all the single guys…
DON’T GET MARRIED….ENJOY YOUR SINGLE LIFE AND PORK AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!
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Sooo true!!! Old wise man told me a few yrs ago…if you want your gf to stop giving bj’s, marry her.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
115.HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Johnny — All it takes is one blown major-money contract to screw a team. Al had a few like that…and his desperation to win was evident, even if his approach was misguided at times.
I’m just glad Al never took the easy way out (settling for mediocrity or worse), and proud of how he went down swinging. I didn’t approve of many of his moves…but I sure approved of the way he maintained controlling interest of the one thing in life that he lived and died for. Pretty impressive stuff.
ps — Keep playing those Rockin’ Blues…push that corporate envelope a little bit, DJ Johnny (Fever)!
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Don’t get me wrong. I am not an “Al hater” by any stretch. One of the things I loved about him was that he always kept things interesting. I loved the whole Al Davis “thing”.
I thought if he REALLY wanted that last SB to add to the collection at all costs, then he seemed to not be going for it enough. Almost kind of half arsed. It’s like he was…but he wasn’t. It seemed that way to me at times.
I do wish he had just enjoyed the last decade and handed the reins over to someone else and just taken a “consultant” type role on major decisions.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
The Chiefs are making big moves and are looking to really be a playoff caliber team.
Denver is going nowhere without Manning.
Chargers are basically standing still.
Meanwhile, the Raiders are trying the ol’ addition by subtraction route.
Depth was already an issue with this team and it seems to be getting worse instead of better. I trust Reggie to work his plan and understand it will take time to get the finances under control, but the Raiders are looking more like the Rams or the Dolphins.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Interesting side note: Raider Defense had 8 former first round picks last season!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
r8eray Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Here’s a little bit of advise to all the single guys…
DON’T GET MARRIED….ENJOY YOUR SINGLE LIFE AND PORK AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!
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At least have a few “standards” for God’s sake!
If the girl’s bigger than you, and can bench at least what you bench…..lay off.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
I get it, SK — But, one of HueJax’s major downfalls as a play-caller was that he didn’t use his TE. (One big Special Teams play notwithstanding.) I bet we could get 50-60 receptions from those three TE’s on roster now…BUT, we’d have to throw to them to do it. Quite a concept.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
2 cents-
I think you meant to say 98% illiteracy rates prior to public education
March 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
r8eray Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Here’s a little bit of advise to all the single guys…
DON’T GET MARRIED….ENJOY YOUR SINGLE LIFE AND PORK AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!
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Sooo true!!! Old wise man told me a few yrs ago…if you want your gf to stop giving bj’s, marry her.
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Lol…
We have too many kids (whom I love with all my life) and too many years (10 married-16 together)with this woman…don’t regret any of it!
But..I think our run is coming close to an end!
Pretty much to the point where I don’t care how much child support I probably have to pay…
Not even my own Mother questions me as much…doubts me as much..complains as much…I could go on and on!
It just gets old after a wild..
I know this is not the appropriate blog to confess my inner feelings…but I gotta let it all out!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
AD should have been sued by his minority partners and removed from his 100% managerial position, years ago. The minority partners own 40% of the Raider organization which, btw is a general partnership.
Grounds for removal in a lawsuit would have been oppression, negligence, and wanton and willful acts against the partnership.
Possibly AD could possibly have ruled incompetent mentally, since his actions suggest that. The bar is not so high to prove incompetence regarding a majority partner whose actions injure the partnership and minority partners.
AD had little idea of what he was doing, as evidenced by his actions; he seemed to be in a time warp somewhat, throwing back to the 60’s. As far as “going down fighting” I doubt AD even knew where he was, as opposed to forming and implementing a cogent plan to return to greatness.
Why do you think the Raiders have been a laughing stock for the past 10 seasons, and have had only 9 winning seasons out of the last 29??
March 17th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
SK –
I don’t know that we need to add a “name” TE to the mix. The young guys we have are super-talented, and deserve to see the field more than they would’ve with even a KBoss still on the roster. Maybe adding a journeyman at the Vet minimum would be the way to go here.
TE is said to be important to Greg Knapp’s O so he may look for someone who fits his system cheap. Lotsa other needs
CP talking up Ausberry a lot and no doubt great athlete great potential. But I googled him and every spring practice at USC it was the same deal and he never won a starting job there. Showed flashes on special teams kick coverage and a few spectacular catches. Boom or bust?
Gordon rep. lazy in college but physically resembles former All pro guard Randall McDaniel. Can line up at blocking FB or TE. Shaky catching but a load to bring down
Myers journeyman / ST already on roster may fit fine for Knapp’s Offense don’t know ask Knapp
Marcel Reece can do things TEs do + super dynamic player, could still improve in “little things” such as working with QB esp as safety valve receiver when QB in trouble. Knapp must be cooking some things up for him. Could line up as TE some plays
Lots of possibilities already on roster, if they fit what Knapp wants to do. Seems like we have much greater needs than another TE
March 17th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Cheers…to whomever is enjoying a cold beer with me!
Happy St. Patty’s Day!
“CHEERS!”
March 17th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Yes, Johnny…it seemed like he was trying, but all his efforts ($$) weren’t spent in the right direction/on the right people.
It’s sad that near the end he only saw a few glimpses of great things (Jano’s 63-yard record-tying winner!), and not the SB glory he so badly wanted. Oh well…we’ll have to enjoy that for him when the time comes! At least he went down swinging. Hope I can do the same when that time comes, too.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
130.HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
I get it, SK — But, one of HueJax’s major downfalls as a play-caller was that he didn’t use his TE. (One big Special Teams play notwithstanding.) I bet we could get 50-60 receptions from those three TE’s on roster now…BUT, we’d have to throw to them to do it. Quite a concept.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hayes,
I couldn’t agree with you more regarding Hue’s use of our TE’s. Hue seemed to have tunnel vision and was unaware how to integrate numerous players to form a single, overall plan.
Good post!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Hardline Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
…Grounds for removal in a lawsuit would have been oppression, negligence, and wanton and willful acts against the partnership.
Possibly AD could possibly have ruled incompetent mentally, since his actions suggest that….
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Evidence?
Oh, maybe that little hiccup Al had in signing one JaDonut Russell. How anyone could hear that fat slob speak and then offer that waste a contract for $39 mil is beyond me and certainly grounds for being “mentally incompetent.”
March 17th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
That sentence should have read, “Possibly AD could have ruled incompetent…..”
March 17th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Hardline Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
AD should have been sued by his minority partners and removed from his 100% managerial position, years ago. The minority partners own 40% of the Raider organization which, btw is a general partnership.
Grounds for removal in a lawsuit would have been oppression, negligence, and wanton and willful acts against the partnership.
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Spoken like only a blog-lawyer can speak it.
OK, Perry Mason…how would those partners prove that Al was bad for the corporation, when all he did was make it money?? From his $25,000 investment-on, the Raiders have increased in value…to now be worth somewhere between $500,000,000 and $800,000,000. And that’s without a new stadium, or superstar QB to draw from.
Any current partner unhappy enough with AL to sue him, was smart enough to think twice (or more) about it. Frivolous, and unwarranted lawsuits are expensive…and they would’ve cost those hypothetical litigants dearly. Al would’ve detroyed them, as easily as Hardline’s hard lines get destroyed in here.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Trevor Scott blew out his ACL mid late season 2010, tried to come back early 2011 and not the same. Sometimes takes up to 2 years to heal fully. If not, he can retire before he gets too many concussions.
Promising as SSLB and down DE situational edge rusher previously + special teams kick coverage
Pats have done very well with these kind of guys in the past
I wish him well
March 17th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Yo R8,
Anything goes with this blog.
In the old days, parents put up with it and were miserable for the rest of their lives. Not in today’s time.
My first marriage lasted 5 yrs and I was so glad we divorced. Happy kids must come from happy parents, whether married or divorced. Good luck to you man. It’s gonna be funny as heck getting back to the single life for you. A lot of things have changed since you last dated. Hope you find chicks you date that are into the Raiders too.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Hayes,
I totally get what you’re saying about Hue, the drop from Miller to Boss was crazy. However, I’m talking about a former first round offensive weapon that Carson could work with to get these young guys(Ausberry) headed in the right direction. Knapp used Dreessen and Olsen to the tune of 82 catches last year. Clark has been able to produce with a loaded offense.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mario Manningham agrees to two-year deal with 49ers, per league source.
Retweeted by Ann Killion
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49ers looking like the favorite to win NFC this year, especially if they get Manning.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
You gotta admit HayesDaze37 that it made -zero- sense for Al to draft that waste JaJello Russell.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Raidernationdave, 138.
I saw JaMarcus’s first interview as a Raider by Greg Papa and, to say the least, was overcome with feelings of dread.
MaMarcus spoke in this weird ghetto eubonics proclaiming (very hard to understand) that he would take the Raiders all the way to the Superbowl. It was obviously there was little intelligence there.
Papa was praising him profusely and Russell took it in a self-congratulatory manner that was alarming to say the least.
The rest of the story we already know.
I am not sure how ranking staff members and AD could have been so incompetent not to know Russell was joke after talking to him one time.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Will miss Trevor Scott. Dude was like a white version of Wimbley. I remember he owned the Jets when we beat them in Oak. He’d show up for a few games with multiple sacks like Wimbley.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
And yes, Hardline — When you don’t make a point of gratuitously hammering Al every time you make a post (even going off-topic to do it), you and I can actually agree on a FOOTBALL topic. It’s your other views, like on race, etc., where you lose me. You got too much hate in you, Hardline. It’s gonna hardline your arteries, dude.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Derrick Jones
@GoHardJones
OFFICIAL PAGE OF DERRICK JONES #14 FOR THE OAKLAND RAIDERS WELCOME TO THE BLACK HOLE
Long Beach /LA /Oakland
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Who the f*ck is Derrick Jones?
March 17th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Hardline one of the most incomprehensible things I have ever seen in my entire life (and that includes the time I was 7 and set a KMART on fire [true story])was the signing of that hole JaMarcus Russell.
The other one was all those people that plopped down the 100 bones for his jersey.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Depth was already an issue with this team and it seems to be getting worse instead of better. I trust Reggie to work his plan and understand it will take time to get the finances under control, but the Raiders are looking more like the Rams or the Dolphins.
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I think every team has depth issues at certain spots,last year it was on defense,CB and LB, But very good depth on Dline and for the most part on Offense. according to the chart above of the top 100 FA, I believe there were 8 raiders on that list.
All those players were brought here by Al, either through the draft are free agency, he was really doing great in both those areas the last couple years, but you could say he still loved paying the players he believed in a little over market value. So to say he lost his eye for talent is just plain wrong.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
You gotta admit HayesDaze37 that it made -zero- sense for Al to draft that waste JaJello Russell.
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Dave — It made sense to draft JaMarcus. Some team was going to do it, and it was going to happen in the 1st round. There weren’t too many concerns known about Russell, and loads of upside potential.
Al just swung mightily and missed on JaMarcus…who didn’t even have the football smarts to overcome his lack of academic smarts. Worse yet…JaMarcus didn’t have the character and pride that Al saw in him. Al blew it…JaMarcus was the biggest draft bust in NFL history — and not because he couldn’t play.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Hayes, first of all the Raiders aren’t a corporation, the Raiders are a general partnership. AD formed a corporation, his alter-ego, and held the position of majority partner within that corporation.
You make a point about AD raising the value of the Raiders. By the time he became oppressive to the minority through negligent and willful acts, AD’s value raising days were over, and the value of the Raiders was in a dramatic freefall culminating where it is today at 31st in the NFL, according to Forbes.
The easiest way for his partners to prove oppression would be do demonstrate years of destructive acts AD committed damaging the partnership and the minority. We all know what those acts were; they are beyond the scope of this post.
Also, FYI, a majority partner cannot bludgeon the minority with litigation just to keep them in line and maintain control: that in and of itself is oppression.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Aig, I aint that old brother…I might look it and feel it, but it’s just the stress!
I fooled around about 5-6 years ago, nothing serious. No game like I had when I was 18..I’ll tell you that much, but I think I might still have it in me!
I’m thinking about (if I go through with this) even moving to Costa Rica-Nicaragua area..maybe even Puerto Rico!
Need something different then these American (Texan to be exact) raised woman.
Might even eff around and take a trip to the Philippines and find some young ‘O’!!
Woman’s right???
Nope..not in the Philippines, Mexico, Central America..when I come home from a long day at work, I like to be pampered!
Have her take off my shoes…open up my zipper and let her go downtown…you know what I’m saying!!??
March 17th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Hayes, 137,
Hayes,
I am very serious that your post regarding TE’s was excellent. You are the only poster here who has keen enough insight to realize the ramifications of Hue’s underuse of our TE’s and other positions as well.
Time and again Hue would force feed DHB the ball, or run Bush up the middle for no gain while a wealth of talent sat on the bench. It turned our offense into a one dimensional unit.
Why do you think I congratulated you on that post ???
March 17th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I believe all of the ERFAs including Reece who were tendered were tendered at the minimum, $540K or something.
As I understand it, this limits their options to signing with us or
refusing to sign the tender
holding out/ asking for more money/ negotiating a long term deal if they have any leverage (Reece)
retiring
going ALL BRANDON MARSHALL
pimping for Hue
whatever they can think up DOTI
Raiders’ restricted free agent
DL Desmond Bryant (Given second-round tender)
Raiders’ exclusive rights free agents
S Jerome Boyd
DL Mason Brodine (TENDERED)
CB/KR Bryan McCann (TENDERED)
FB Marcel Reece (TENDERED)
Read more: Raiders’ free agency primer
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
March 17th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
R8,
Bro, go overseas and experience it. I did the Thailand and VN thing for a few yrs after my divorce. Thailand is frickin crazy. The best part about being single now is you can afford to do things you couldnt when you were in your early 20’s. I once was on the same flight as 4 Americans passing through SF on their way back to So America. They all said So America had nothing on Thailand. But you should check it out for yourself. My good buddy is doing the Cuba thing right now via Cancun. He said the women are the best in this hemisphere.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Hardline — I don’t know what “acts” you’re talking about. Every team in the NFL is worth more now than they were even 9-years ago (which seems to be the cut-off for you, hater)…and Al’s fingerprints have been all over every major League business decision until his death.
In fact…Al was widely credited with helping “save” the NFL as we know it on more than one occasion…and his Labor Relations skills were credited with helping solve a few management/labor crises (in your lifetime, even!).
Al wasn’t perfect. We get it. He’s dead. Move along already.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Reece will play TE next season…he ain’t a Fullback…an H Back maybe…but not a Fullback
March 17th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Hayes AD didn’t need to draft JaBonehead. He could have traded that pick, traded down in the draft, and gotten true value for that pick. Instead it cost the Raiders millions upon millions and at least 3 wasted years.
Lance didn’t want him. And if Lance didn’t want him that says a lot about Lance and AD.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
And load up on those blue pills too bro. Worth every penny when you do the s$x trips.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
R8,
If you like being single, why did you get married? I’m just curious.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Victor Cotto @cottovic Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Oakland #Raiders center Samson Satele was arrested on a disorderly conduct count at an Aiea shopping complex.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Derrick Jones
@GoHardJones
OFFICIAL PAGE OF DERRICK JONES #14 FOR THE OAKLAND RAIDERS WELCOME TO THE BLACK HOLE
Long Beach /LA /Oakland
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Who the f*ck is Derrick Jones?
Derrick Jones is a WR that signed with us as a rookie UDFA last preseason then blew out his achilles tendon and spent the year on IR
March 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
HayesDaze37, 158
Hayes,
Actually, I have moved on. It just seemed that AD was a major topic this evening.
I like the moves Reggie is making and am glad the Raiders are back on track. I wouldn’t argue against anything the new order has done so far.
March 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Reece will play TE next season
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I sure hope so. Been wishing for that. Dude can catch and block. He is faster than most LB now.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Reece will play TE next season…he ain’t a Fullback…an H Back maybe…but not a Fullback
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I have been saying that since we signed him. He was a WR at Washington.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
It would be interesting to see Reece used the same way the Texans used Joel Dreessen.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Victor Cotto @cottovic Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Oakland #Raiders center Samson Satele was arrested on a disorderly conduct count at an Aiea shopping complex.
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Maybe we can sign him for a 2 year deal around $2-3 million.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
OT the same way pats use Hernandez.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
the bigger issue is how al restructured from the original deal that gave his minority share 10% total control (all voting rights-interseting story)
March 17th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Or*
March 17th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Damn, bummer of a loss.
Props to you and your boys, SnBBleeder, you guys didn’t do much well, but you played some great halfcourt defense and put the clamps on our shooters.
Go and win it all I say.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Marcell Reece playing FB was another of Hue Jackson’s brilliant “Nelly-ball” schemes.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
ps. al never paid 25k for his original 10%- comp package for leaving afl commish to come back to manage raiders
March 17th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Brady Quinn signed with KC. Is he a backup, or will he compete to start?
March 17th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I guess you could say I was brought up old fashion…
she was prego, I was young and had to do the right thing!
Like I said..don’t regret any of my past doings, things are just getting a little too old!
You married?
March 17th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Yes, and I have one kid. I have been married for 6 years.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
MistaBrown Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The end.
New thread Cokring
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This thread is pretty lame compared to yesterday’s but we all need to revive it.
Only intelligent discussion so far is about TE position. But Hue is gone last year’s offense not completely gone but not an issue anymore Boss is gone and with a few more concussions so will his brain. Still gets money from Raiduhs though + Queefs
Al Davis is too dead to sue now. Maybe season ticket holders could have sued him earlier, maybe a few years ago when we were 2-14. 4x improvement x2 years = way 2 late
March 17th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
May I offer my opinion on the subject?
March 17th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Mario Manningham signed with the 49er’s.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
I don’t think Kevin Boss has 10 games left in that cocunut of his.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Possible FA targets:
CB Tracy Porter ($5 mil/yr)
CB Jarrett Bush ($2.5 mil/yr)
CB William Middleton ($2 mil/yr)
CB Shawntae Spencer (vet min)
ILB Joe Mays ($1 mil/yr)
ILB Barrett Ruud (vet min)
OLB Leroy Hill ($2 mil/yr)
OLB Rocky McIntosh ($2 mil/yr)
OLB Wesley Woodyard ($1 mil/yr)
OLB JoLonn Dunbar (vet min)
DT Broderick Bunkley ($3 mil/yr)
NT Aubrayo Franklin ($1.5 mil/yr)
NT Antonio Garay ($1.5 mil/yr)
OT Anthony Collins ($2 mil/yr)
OG/C Jason Brown ($1.5 mil/yr)
QB Billy Volek ($2 mil/yr)
QB David Garrard (vet min)
March 17th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
sure..
March 17th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
What about Satele?
March 17th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Raider O Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
What about Satele?
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Didn’t include any in-house guys on that list, but yes, Satele should definitely be a priority. If he can’t be re-signed, Wisniewski might have to shift to C. If not, Jason Brown and Dan Koppen might be the Raiders’ best options there.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Satele??
March 17th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Marcell Reece playing FB was another of Hue Jackson’s brilliant “Nelly-ball” schemes.
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Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Reece will play TE next season…he ain’t a Fullback…an H Back maybe…but not a Fullback
Why all the hate for Marcel Reece? He’s not a consistently tough blocker at least not yet but he’s the only lead blocker we have fast enough to get out in front of impatient McFadden and helped spring him on quite a few big runs. Some of these so called blocking FBs can’t do nothin’ else and often I see these pot bellied top heavy “blue collar blocking machines” belly flopping and missing blocks on any target moving faster than a snail. Better entertainment than football… Marcel can do a lot of things and much more with a little refinement including
Marcel Reece can do things TEs do + super dynamic player, could still improve in “little things” such as working with QB esp as safety valve receiver when QB in trouble. Knapp must be cooking some things up for him. Could line up as TE some plays
That said, Knapp has liked fat top heavy belly flopping FBs in the past…but has he ever had a Marcel and 7 months to figure how to use him before?
And isn’t it his old team the Texans that end up cutting their “Pro Bowl” FB every year and/or letting them walk in free agency?
hmm…
March 17th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Think about what YOU really want. Do you want to be single again, do you want to be single for the rest of your life, or is this just a phase? Think about the future, where you want to be in life, and decide and choose the best path to get there. Marriage is not easy, and you have to keep working at it. It’s not easy sharing a life with another person, but it gets better the more you work on it. Try counseling.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Possible FA targets:
CB Tracy Porter ($5 mil/yr)
CB Jarrett Bush ($2.5 mil/yr)
CB William Middleton ($2 mil/yr)
CB Shawntae Spencer (vet min)
ILB Joe Mays ($1 mil/yr)
ILB Barrett Ruud (vet min)
OLB Leroy Hill ($2 mil/yr)
OLB Rocky McIntosh ($2 mil/yr)
OLB Wesley Woodyard ($1 mil/yr)
OLB JoLonn Dunbar (vet min)
DT Broderick Bunkley ($3 mil/yr)
NT Aubrayo Franklin ($1.5 mil/yr)
NT Antonio Garay ($1.5 mil/yr)
OT Anthony Collins ($2 mil/yr)
OG/C Jason Brown ($1.5 mil/yr)
QB Billy Volek ($2 mil/yr)
QB David Garrard (vet min)
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you must be a good hardball negotiator. Some of these guys already signed for a lot more $
March 17th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
you must be a good hardball negotiator. Some of these guys already signed for a lot more $
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Who signed for more money? I thought YA did a great job estimating salaries.
March 17th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
you must be a good hardball negotiator. Some of these guys already signed for a lot more $
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Rough estimates given age, performance last season, etc. More than anything, I don’t think the Raiders should spend more than that on any of these players. Without much salary cap room, the Raiders aren’t really in the position to gamble on many mid- or lower-tier FAs. If the Raiders can find any of the above players for around those prices, they should go for it. If not, they should simply wait for the draft and then see what their needs are.
March 17th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
R8ray,
Would be much cheaper to just put a couple of hookers on the payroll.
Don’t leave ur kids!
March 17th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Would be much cheaper to just put a couple of hookers on the payroll.
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Who are you? Tommy Gambino?
March 17th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Johnny — All it takes is one blown major-money contract to screw a team. Al had a few like that…and his desperation to win was evident, even if his approach was misguided at times.
I’m just glad Al never took the easy way out (settling for mediocrity or worse), and proud of how he went down swinging. I didn’t approve of many of his moves…but I sure approved of the way he maintained controlling interest of the one thing in life that he lived and died for. Pretty impressive stuff.
ps — Keep playing those Rockin’ Blues…push that corporate envelope a little bit, DJ Johnny (Fever)!
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Al ran the very thing he loved into the ground. His “controlling interest” was the very thing that resulted in two decades of futility, and contributed to your frustration no doubt. Al was misguided and self-deceived at the end, and EVERY move that his son and McKenzie have made to date underscores that point. So you dig fascist dictators? You have imbued your fanaticism with a romantic view of leadership that, unfortunately, has nothing to do with actually winning. Al had nothing to hang his hat on in the end. No fking thing.
March 17th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
So you dig fascist dictators?
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Al owned and managed (GM) his team. Some owners did better, but most of them did worse.
Look at Mike Brown and The Ford Family.
Is Jerry Jones a Fascist Dictator?
March 17th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I’m not saying Al made all the right moves, and I don’t agree with most of his moves in the last decade, but I think calling calling/ comparing him to a fascist dictator is extreme.
March 17th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Go Buckeyes!!!!!
March 17th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I think the new regime will only get guys they think are good values. A lot of that is getting players who will fit scheme and so far the guys they’re going after seem to be players that the coaches are familiar with and if the coaches & Reggie Mac have good judgement they should know what they’re worth. So I figure if they don’t sign these guys up then the player must be asking too much $ or else we got a bigger problem with the decision makers that FA signings won’t solve. Of course nobody guesses right all the time and luck is important.
I like signings like Bartell calculated gambles coming off injury, reasonable contract, beast if healthy.
The salary cap issue can be manipulated enough to get some guys in who can compete. Reggie Mac cut the fat and he has until July/August/September to fill out the roster. There’s plenty of FAs, the draft, UDFA, June 1 cuts, etc between now and then
I’m sure they’re considering many of the players on your list, its actually reasonable my bad
some of the earlier suggestions in thread were pretty grandiose, seems like positions where there are several in house options we will have to do with what we’ve got (by in-house options, I don’t mean free agents who were with us last year though. I mean guys who are under contract with Raiders now). I did want to get the discussion thread back to what our priorities are and discuss that instead of off topic subjects and water under the bridge
We can’t have everything, what are our options and priorities?
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Late Winter Raiders wish-list:
#1: Bring in more proven — yet healthy — Cornerbacks.
#2: Make sure MBush29’s replacement is ready to go…but, not just an unproven talent like TaiJones (who could be great). Better yet, find a way to keep MB29.
#3: Find the LB’s that will best fit the new system.
#4: DT/NT help. Yesterday.
#5: Sign another versatile, journeyman O-Lineman or three.
#6: Bring in a YOUNG/quick veteran WR (with hands)like Manningham.
#7: QB. Find out if David Garrard is healthy enough to play. NO to Leinart (his arm, and his lack of leadership skills). The #2 QB is likely to see regular-season action…get a real one.
#8: A “designated” pass-rush specialist…they come in handy. He can even be a new…
#9: …DE who can hold the edge.
#10: A big, yet fast, DB who can jump from Safety to LB to CB, depending on scheme/need.
March 17th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Who is this Travis Ivey on the Raiders roster as a NT? Anybody know anything about him?
March 17th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
R8,
Dont listen to these good conscience dudes. I’m the devil here and proud of it. Let it go and explore my friend. The Hang Over is waiting for you. Life is too short to be miserable in a relationship. You can always get back together if you both realize that later. The only thing final in life is death. Good nite.
March 17th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
BTW, Reece at TE is a sure bet probowler and possible HOF. I am that confident in Reece at TE.
March 17th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
ust Win Baby Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Who is this Travis Ivey on the Raiders roster as a NT? Anybody know anything about him?
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Travis Ivey NT was signed PS after last preseason and I (as well as most other raider fans, probably) have never seen him play.
He only has one active game in NFL, 2010, surprisingly a start, but with Cleveland Browns + 1 tackle in has brilliant career–so far. If the nfl.com stats can be believed. Looks like we’ll have to wait to preseason to find out much or if you’re really interested search old game tape and let us know what you see
see
http://www.nfl.com/player/travisivey/2507905/profile
Travis Ivey
# NT
Oakland Raiders | Official Team Site
Height: 6-4 Weight: 325 Age: 25
Born: 12/22/1986 Washington , DC
College: Maryland
Experience: 1st season
High School: Riverdale Baptist School [Upper Marlboro,
March 17th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Aig,
Reece as a HOF’er; that’s a bold statement. He is good but it seems only for a few plays per game. Maybe that is because Hue didn’t use him correctly. It seemed to me watching him last season he was capable of several big play, but after that the opponent defense adjusted to shut him down.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
The only way Reece make it as a hall of fame TE is if they coach him to run some choice routes. Curls, posts, outs, and crossing routes……not these BS timing based outdated concepts…..
Can we please move into the future?
March 17th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Am I remembering correctly didn’t Marcel Reece get signed in 2008 by Raiders as rookie UDFA and tried at TE but then moved to FB (but also lined up at TE in some sets)…and wasn’t Greg Knapp the Raiders OC in 2007 and 2008? I do know Greg Knapp is OC again now, and Marcel Reece remains listed as a FB on the roster. But they only list guys at one position and it’s not always current. I also know the new coaches can’t have much contact with players till April (incl. playbook distribution) and mini camp not till May, preseason July or is it early August now? And it doesn’t count till September.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
202. Wow
March 17th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
The only way Reece make it as a hall of fame TE is if they coach him to run some choice routes. Curls, posts, outs, and crossing routes……not these BS timing based outdated concepts…..
Can we please move into the future?
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Glad we have gotten the discussion back on track
The immediate future is Knapp’s offense.
My understanding is that Knapp is fairly flexible but likes the QB to run a lot of bootlegs and moving pocket stuff and that a lot of the design is to get some underneath receiving options open as checkdowns if deeper routes covered.
This requires the TE, FB, (even more than the other receivers) to work well with the QB
Marcel Reece can do things TEs do + super dynamic player, could still improve in “little things” such as working with QB esp as safety valve receiver when QB in trouble. Knapp must be cooking some things up for him. Could line up as TE some plays
So IMO “little things” like working well with QB when “QB in trouble” have not been Reece strongpoints at least AS HE HAS BEEN USED LAST 2 YEARS
this imagined or real deficiency can easily be improved upon with coaching both coaching Reece and designing a good scheme
coach ‘em up, Knapp
March 17th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Johnny — All it takes is one blown major-money contract to screw a team. Al had a few like that…and his desperation to win was evident, even if his approach was misguided at times.
I’m just glad Al never took the easy way out (settling for mediocrity or worse), and proud of how he went down swinging. I didn’t approve of many of his moves…but I sure approved of the way he maintained controlling interest of the one thing in life that he lived and died for. Pretty impressive stuff.
ps — Keep playing those Rockin’ Blues…push that corporate envelope a little bit, DJ Johnny (Fever)!
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Al ran the very thing he loved into the ground. His “controlling interest” was the very thing that resulted in two decades of futility, and contributed to your frustration no doubt. Al was misguided and self-deceived at the end, and EVERY move that his son and McKenzie have made to date underscores that point. So you dig fascist dictators? You have imbued your fanaticism with a romantic view of leadership that, unfortunately, has nothing to do with actually winning. Al had nothing to hang his hat on in the end. No fking thing.
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Ummm…wrong.
Here’s where you Al haters just don’t get it. It was his team, and he took it where it went — high and low. And…he left this earth a far richer man than when he entered it…literally and figuratively. Along the way, he made his partners hundreds of millions of dollars…and he made a lot of young men rich beyond anyone’s wild expectations.
As a human being, Al did something most of us will never do — he left a major, legendary impact on his profession (not just his company), and on those around him…mostly a solid legacy, with many friends and loyal followers that can be counted in the hundreds if not thousands.
Al had a lucky, crazy life that we might be fortunate to have for ourselves. The fact some of you can’t let your hatred and disagreements with the guy go, long after his passing, is pretty sad. For you.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
We’ve got 2 additional RB’s on our PS. Both are mid 20’s w/ 1 year experience. Reggie signed these guys. Anybody know anything about them? They certainly have good size and could be the MBush replacement.
• Lonyae Miller RB 6′0″ 232#
• Rashawn Jackson RB 6′1″ 240#
Maybe our RB slots have already been filled. Possibly this is why Reggie didn’t go after Mike Tolbert FA-RB from San Diego.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I don’t want to go into the season with an unproven RB behind DMC…let’s get somebody whose body can handle the year-long rigors of pro football at a high level.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
@ 208…
Play Action is fine and dandy…
Lets face facts…to win in this league you have to be able to score on Offense late in games to win games…and to do that means you have to Pass the Ball when the defense knows you’re going to pass the ball….
If Coach Knapp wants to be successful…he will move into the future and help Carson Palmer have success by implementing some new concepts through the air….
The ZBS with play action might get us to the playoffs…but that ain’t the goal…the goal is to win it all….to win it all you have to be able pass the ball when the game is OTL….PERIOD
March 17th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Out for coffee…later.
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
March 17th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
HayesDaze37
MBush certainly isn’t that guy. He had two good games starting & then tanked the next 5 games. He had a 3.8 YPC average for the year. We can certainly do better than that. TJones is also NOT a starter. He’ll help but I see a RB game by committee if DMac goes down.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
JB Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
We’ve got 2 additional RB’s on our PS. Both are mid 20’s w/ 1 year experience. Reggie signed these guys. Anybody know anything about them? They certainly have good size and could be the MBush replacement.
• Lonyae Miller RB 6′0″ 232#
• Rashawn Jackson RB 6′1″ 240#
Maybe our RB slots have already been filled. Possibly this is why Reggie didn’t go after Mike Tolbert FA-RB from San Diego.
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looks like both of these players were signed before Reggie Mac came on board. I believe at least Lonyae Miller was on practice squad. I believe he has been one of those players that has nearly made a few teams final cut (incl. Dallas Cowboys I believe) and that coming out of Fresno State a few years ago he was big fast scored lotsa TDs and productive in limited touches playing behind Charger’s #1 draft pick Matthews.
It’s my understanding that Jackson is a tweener blocking FB / RB with some run skills
ie both should compete very well in training camp but are more longshot to make an impact in 2012 regular season than guys you could pencil into roster at this point–based on their resumes. I haven’t seen em play. Nothing matters till they start the hitting in training camp. A few guys with this kinda background make it every year, a lot don’t…gotta see their game
March 17th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Moving into the future means concepts such as:
- Some back shoulder throws…something the Raiders NEVER did last season….and considering the amount of times the go deep and run the 9 route….it’s the perfect change-up…yet we never once even tried it…
- Choice Routes….routes designed to be run by the slot and/or TE designed to beat specific coverage…..to do this…Palmer and his receivers need to work the 7 on 7 in practice all day long….and not just focusing their attention on the coverage, but also the specific techniques and alignments they face inside of those coverages
- More Screens to WR’s to dictate to the corners to play tighter…thereby opening up the deeper routes….
March 17th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
JB Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
HayesDaze37
MBush certainly isn’t that guy. He had two good games starting & then tanked the next 5 games. He had a 3.8 YPC average for the year. We can certainly do better than that. TJones is also NOT a starter. He’ll help but I see a RB game by committee if DMac goes down.
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In the NFL no RB could start if he couldn’t block, MBush played on 85-90% of the snaps after DMC went down. If he couldn’t block that would be impossible………period
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good point,he must have been able to block a little to get playing time
tell Taiwan Jones. Have you ever watched him try to block? Coach him up. (some may also say tape him up and /or line him up in the slot more). But wouldn’t it be great to get a guy who runs like Tony Dorsett on the field?
Why all the hate for Bush? A few weeks ago some people (not me) thought they should spend $7.7 to franchise him for backup RB position, now he’s worthless even when our starting back can’t stay healthy.
When I watched Bush last year he was off to subpar (for him) start as a short yardage and goalline runner and was averaging like 2.0 yards per carry then DMac got hurt and he was almost as productive as DMac for a lot more than 2 games (I think more like 4 or 5) including going all BEAST in a monster game where he broke Raider’s all time combined rushing-receiving yardage. Then he wore down, along with the rest of the team, and finished with 4.2 yds per carry since taking over for DMac and 3.8 for whole season. When I watched him his blocking including blitz pickup was inconsistent-some good, some bad did miss a few blitzes but also put a few pass rushers on their ass
Most people consider him the best RB available on market and as I hear it Bengals are considering signing him — to replace starter Cedric Benson
March 17th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I saw alot of lonyae miller in college. He wasnt 232 back then, that # might not be right. But was a nice back. The dogs ran him or made him block, he was verry solid at both. Not quite as explosive with jukes and tackle breaking, but he was pretty strong, and fast enough to reach the edge. Worth a look.
March 18th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I saw alot of lonyae miller in college. He wasnt 232 back then, that # might not be right. But was a nice back. The dogs ran him or made him block, he was verry solid at both. Not quite as explosive with jukes and tackle breaking, but he was pretty strong, and fast enough to reach the edge. Worth a look.
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Thank you Marks Hair always good to hear from someone who sounds objective and watched a guy actually play. Everything else is all jack. Can he run for short yardage and goal line?
And please get a new haircut
March 18th, 2012 at 12:01 am
218. not quite as explosives of mathews I mean.
March 18th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Omg explosive as mathews.. Speak to the phone..lol
March 18th, 2012 at 12:07 am
219. Yeah. Idk about his hands, cause they didnt pass to him alot, but when mathews was hurt we had no problem with millertime.. He was overshadowed by mathews and then robbie rouse(sproles part 2)
March 18th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Bush was nice. But in the nfl if your not an elite rb, your just another horse in the stable.. Bush wasnt elite.. So we’ll find another guy to throw in there..
March 18th, 2012 at 12:21 am
arks Hair Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Bush was nice. But in the nfl if your not an elite rb, your just another horse in the stable.. Bush wasnt elite.. So we’ll find another guy to throw in there..
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Thanks. Sounds like we can hit you up for the scoop on Fresno State prospects.
One question–was he good in short yardage and goal line roles?
March 18th, 2012 at 12:23 am
oops try Re: Lonyae Miller
219. Yeah. Idk about his hands, cause they didnt pass to him alot, but when mathews was hurt we had no problem with millertime.. He was overshadowed by mathews and then robbie rouse(sproles part 2)
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Thanks. Sounds like we can hit you up for the scoop on Fresno State prospects.
One question–was he good in short yardage and goal line roles?
March 18th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Raider O Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
GG Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
One of the best or most exciting facets about Reggie McKenzie as GM btw, is that in years past, when the draft was over, so many of the interesting or key positional undrafted players were being picked up by every other franchise but the Raiders.
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Tommy Kelly was undrafted
Reece was undrafted
D Bryant was undrafted
3 of our starters last year were undrafted.
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James Harrison
Wes Welker
Antonio Gates
London Fletcher
Marques Colston
Courtland Finnegan
that caliber of player….guys you mentioned were JUST good enough to get you to 8-8 (Reece’s story is yet to be finished, though)
March 18th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Moving into the future means concepts such as:
- Some back shoulder throws…something the Raiders NEVER did last season….and considering the amount of times the go deep and run the 9 route….it’s the perfect change-up…yet we never once even tried it…
- Choice Routes….routes designed to be run by the slot and/or TE designed to beat specific coverage…..to do this…Palmer and his receivers need to work the 7 on 7 in practice all day long….and not just focusing their attention on the coverage, but also the specific techniques and alignments they face inside of those coverages
- More Screens to WR’s to dictate to the corners to play tighter…thereby opening up the deeper routes…
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On the back shoulder throws, it would help if CP3 had familiarity with his personnel. I do know he completed 3 red zone TDs 1 to DHB v. Miami, 1 to Jacoby Ford v. the Broncos and 1 to Chaz Schillens in the corner v. the Vikings
its not like they havent thrown a back shoulder fade….
yeah, the WR screen was absent, and so was the TE screen – Gruden did that a bit
They have to get familiar with the ZBS again…
March 18th, 2012 at 12:46 am
Miller can run goal line, probably even better if hes at 232. Its tough to say if he’s ready to back up a guy as injury prone as dmac, but rbs out of fresno under pat hill have been decent in the nfl. Might be one of those cheap but effective zone block backs.
March 18th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Can’t sleep.
Here’s my take on Reece. Antonio Gates/Shannon Shapre were undrafted or drafted late. They were freak tweeners at the TE position. Reece played WR in college. Al made him a FB in the pros. Dude can flat out run when he has the rock. He took it to the house a few times with the wheel route both in preseason (vs SF) and reg season (vs Den). I saw him made some really tough catches last season, like the one from Palmer over the LB’s helmet (vs Den?). As a FB, he is already doing the blocking.
So, he has the speed, weight, blocking, and hands. Not the greatest blocker but good enough. The only thing he doesnt have is ideal height. He is listed at 6-3 while TE’s usually go for 6-5. My hunch is that is why Al made him a FB instead of TE. Aaron Hernandez is listed as 6-2. I’m telling you Reece is a major weapon if we ever move him to the TE position. He is a matchup nitemare for LBs.
March 18th, 2012 at 12:54 am
speaking of fresno st. we should sign billy volek. He is a career backup, he has shown the ability to come mid game or to start. And his talents realy match our new system.. TP can learn alot from a guy with his 6th rd pick mentality.
March 18th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Does anyone know much about what kind of defense our new coaches like to run. Everybody knows that Allen says he’s flexible and wants to run both 3-4 and 4-3 sets, and D Coord Tarver has a 3-4 background (at least recently?)
But a lot of you all are talking about big run stuffing two gap tackle but did Allen do that in Denver last year? I know he ran a 4-3 base set and had penetrating DT Broderick Bunkley right? Wrong? What was the other DT like?
Posters keep ragging on our current DT roster so what up? What kind of players do you think we’re missing?
March 18th, 2012 at 1:00 am
I like reece as a back up rb, starting fb, or as a te.. we cant forget about him as much this yr. Ausberry looks like a nice te prospect too. Glad we didnt go after a big name wr.. more 2 te sets.
March 18th, 2012 at 1:02 am
231. We’re 4-3 untill we get a nt..
March 18th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Marcel Reece is listed as 6-3 but I think he is shorter. I just watched a tube on him scoring a long td and Murphy was running next to him. Murphy looked a lot taller. Murphy is listed at 6-2. Prob why Al didnt make him a TE.
March 18th, 2012 at 1:12 am
For what it’s worth, I think Reece’s listed height is exaggerated. He looks closer to 6′1″ and coming out of college the PFW prospects listing, which is usually reliable, said he’s a shade under 6′1″. But those are just numbers, an inch either way doesn’t make or break a player. Looking at the guy he looks like a true FB body type with a big butt … or a TE or HB body type…doesn’t look like a WR and lacks the foot quickness to beat CB man to man as NFL WR but has plenty there and more to be a matchup nightmare against LB and even many safeties…easy to see why he was not kept at WR though. Even though he is listed as a FB he has lined up at TE on many plays…including some big plays. He can also jump and use his body to shield the ball as a receiver, he can run variety of downfield routes and adjust to the ball and is the best downfield receiving FB in years in NFL. And he does all this at whatever his height is…
March 18th, 2012 at 1:16 am
Def not 6-3. DHB is 6-2 and he looked taller than him on youtube. Khalif Barnes at 6-5 dwarfs Reece. Al Davis was enamored with height, weight and speed. He used to make FB into TE (Todd Christensen) or LB (Mike Jones). I can see why Al made him a FB rather than a TE. I’d be stoked if we can ever make Reece a TE or involve him more in the passing game. Dude is a monster.
March 18th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 1:02 am
231. We’re 4-3 untill we get a nt..
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obviously but are we still going with two 3-T / penetrating DTs or does Allen want a two gap freight elevator. I guess the NT would double as all that so maybe it doesn’t matter…my point is, beyond the base set (3-4 or 4-3) what are we doin’? Also at LB. I know we ain’t gettin no Von Miller anytime soon.
March 18th, 2012 at 2:24 am
Hmmm….we still need a few more things:
LBs: Any guys under the radar you know of we should get?
RB: What about Tolbert from SD? The dude is a bowling ball, and would complement DMC perfectly…and he has had to fill in as a starter in SD and did pretty well when needed.
C: Any better ideas than Satelle coming back? I guess we could resign Carlisle for cheaper and then move WIZ to Center…because I don’t see any Center’s out there better than Satelle.
Back-up QB: Anyone thing T. Pryor is up to it?
March 18th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Damned, niners are f’ing coming up with a good offseason so far. Just got another WR, and are now pretty damned solid all around.
March 18th, 2012 at 2:42 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17419654
When sport no longer matters.
March 18th, 2012 at 3:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 17th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
I don’t think Kevin Boss has 10 games left in that cocunut of his.
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Exactly good move by the Raiders
March 18th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Here’s an interesting way to start your Sunday morning: 49ers free-agent QB Alex Smith is visiting today with the Miami Dolphins.
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Maybe he knows Peyton to 49ers is a done deal.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:21 am
242.Mark Clemens Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Here’s an interesting way to start your Sunday morning: 49ers free-agent QB Alex Smith is visiting today with the Miami Dolphins.
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Maybe he knows Peyton to 49ers is a done deal.
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Either way, it’s a smart move by him and his agent. Put a little pressure on the Niners to sh*t or get off the pot. If they end up losing out on Manning AND Smith they will be in a world of hurt and all those WRs they just signed will have been a huge waste of money.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:23 am
49ers could always trade for Tebow if they lose out on Manning and Smith.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:28 am
If Peyton goes to Denver, I hope Reggie gets on the phone to inquire about what it would cost to get Tebow.
He clearly proved he was the best backup QB in the NFL last year, and right now, our backup QB spot is an abyss.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Tebow is the next thing you’ll be Bruno Mars’ing, lol.
The guy sucks, and won’t be playing QB in the NFL for anyone.
His only hope Jacksonville already picked up somebody to back up their #1 pick. Despite what you say, they are not giving up on Gabbert after one damn year.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
No Wimbley signings yet?
March 18th, 2012 at 7:34 am
But a lot of you all are talking about big run stuffing two gap tackle but did Allen do that in Denver last year? I know he ran a 4-3 base set and had penetrating DT Broderick Bunkley right? Wrong? What was the other DT like?
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Bunkley is a run-stuffer. 4-3 1-tech DT. Not much of a pass rusher, but a very solid two-down gap plugger.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Free agent NFL center Samson Satele was arrested on a disorderly conduct count in Honolulu Hawaii, according to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.
Satele, 27, was arrested at 4 a.m. at the Westridge Shopping Center, home to several late-night restaurants and bars.
He was released after posting $500 bail at 4:50 a.m. He is scheduled to appear in Ewa District Court on April 18. Disorderly conduct is a petty misdemeanor.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Tebow is the next thing you’ll be Bruno Mars’ing, lol.
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Just leave some morphine at the door.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:38 am
I think the market is soft for pass specialists of Kam Wimbley’s talents. A lot softer than he thought it would be.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:40 am
guest123 Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 7:38 am
I think the market is soft for pass specialists of Kam Wimbley’s talents. A lot softer than he thought it would be.
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Wimbley said he wouldn’t be making visits until after the weekend. He’ll easily find a new gig. Wouldn’t worry about Kam.
Shame the Raiders couldn’t keep him, but that contract he got was absurd.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:40 am
I wish we could have gotten Myers as well. But his contract is a little rich for a 31 yo. Maybe Wiz II is going to be the center after all?
March 18th, 2012 at 7:41 am
If Satele isn’t re-signed, free agents Jason Brown and Dan Koppen would be the best options for center. Moving Wisniewski over is also an option.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:41 am
I don’t want Satele back in any case, not just because of his recent scrape with the law. He’s addition by subtraction.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:43 am
If the Raiders are going to be emphasizing the ZBS, Satele is far and away the best center available. Strong in space, especially in the run game. Does indeed struggle in pass protection and in short yardage, but truthfully there are no clear upgrades available with Myers and Wells off the market – and those guys got paid way more than the Raiders would have been able to.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:44 am
per Schefter
Here’s an interesting way to start your Sunday morning: 49ers free-agent QB Alex Smith is visiting today with the Miami Dolphins.
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Another indication of Peyton coming to SF
March 18th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Satele just killed me on the screen plays sometimes.
I am sure there is some type of timing on screens plays, from when the ball was snapped, to when the lineman release and go downfield to block (probably some 1-thousand-1, 1-thousand-2…..thing).
Sometimes, he would literally snap it, and take off down the field, and by the time the ball was thrown he was cut-blocking some guy 15 yards down the field, for some of the easiest ineligible man downfield penalties you will ever see.
He had to have at least a half dozen of those over the last couple years.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Satele is the one guy that you can focus in on when the QB backpeddles. He’s always overwhelmed one-on-one, and can’t hold his ground. He ends up sacking the QB with this back getting pushed backward. If that’s the best that’s left in the NFL, we’re in trouble. He sucks.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:53 am
A lot of recievers like Colston, S Johnson, Garcon, Royal, etc got pretty nice paydays.
Brandon Lloyd pretty much give away his services to the Patriots for 3 yrs/$12M.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:53 am
This guy is on the Raider roster, Zach Hurd
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/617187-2011-nfl-combine-20-offensive-players-the-kansas-city-chiefs-should-watch/page/16
March 18th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Broncos free agent DT Brodrick Bunkley is scheduled to visit the Saints on Sunday, according to Larry Holder of CBSSports.com who cites a source familiar with the situation.
Bunkley started 13 games in Denver last season, compiling 43 total tackles. The Saints have a hole at the starting DT slot next to Sedrick Ellis with Aubrayo Franklin and Shaun Rogers being unrestricted free agents.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Brandon Lloyd is an interesting dude.
Heard him on ESPN radio last week, very, very intelligent, both his parents are professors or teachers, and he said he plans on making more money post-football than during his playing career, so he wants to win now.
So, not suprised he went to a Super Bowl team, for a below-market value contract.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:58 am
And it’s why crap teams always overpay to get someone like a Mario Williams. There is a competitive unbalance that exists that allows one team to be perrenially better than others.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Yup, life is good on top.
We will be there soon enough. The Reggie has a plan.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Will be interesting to see who Reggie targets in FA for the LB spot…and Center spot…
March 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am
guest123 Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 7:53 am
A lot of recievers like Colston, S Johnson, Garcon, Royal, etc got pretty nice paydays.
Brandon Lloyd pretty much give away his services to the Patriots for 3 yrs/$12M.
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Yeah, that’s how muhc we paid for our injured Right Guard we just signed.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:16 am
If that’s the best that’s left in the NFL, we’re in trouble. He sucks.
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It’s very possible he is.
Jason Brown was a big-time FA signing a few years back. Has struggled ever since. Maybe he could regain his form – he’s still 29.
Dan Koppen has been a solid if unspectacular NFL OG/C for his entire career. But he’ll be 33 soon, so he wouldn’t be a long-term option. Excels in the Patriots’ scheme, which involves quite a bit of zone blocking.
If the Raiders think they have more options at OG than at C (including Stephon Heyer, Zach Hurd, Alex Parsons, or any other UDFA or late-round picks they might acquire), Wisniewski could indeed shift over to C. Wouldn’t be the worst move in the world. In his limited action there last season, he performed very well.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Pro Football Focus, “graded” out Wiz very highly as a G, and among the worst in the NFL as a Center.
Although, that is somewhat subjective, and they also had Wimbley as one of the best DE/OLB in the league, so I guess take it with a grain of salt.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Pro Football Focus, “graded” out Wiz very highly as a G, and among the worst in the NFL as a Center.
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Their grading of Wisniewski is interesting to me, considering he played his two worst games of the season at OG.
The line had its best performances with Heyer at OG and Wisniewski at C. Not sure how Wisniewski specifically graded out in those situations, but the line as a whole flourished with him at C.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I wouldn’t know the first thing about “grading” out an offensive lineman, just reporting what they put out there.
I think he can be an elite, multi-Pro Bowl guard, without a doubt. Not as sure that he can do that as a CEnter.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:25 am
For what it’s worth, Wimbley was pretty effective at bringing pressure last season. But he can’t cover, and wasn’t very strong against the run. Too often he took a bad angle and failed to seal off the edge.
Versatile player and was definitely valuable to the Raiders, but not “$10.5 million per year” valuable.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I think he can be an elite, multi-Pro Bowl guard, without a doubt. Not as sure that he can do that as a CEnter.
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I don’t see any reason he couldn’t be effective at either position.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I don’t see any reason he couldn’t be effective at either position.
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Effective yes, elite, we shall see.
Hell, I think he is ALREADY an above average guard, and could even make the Pro Bowl this year if we win the division.
A little longer road to hoe at the center position.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
FA List:
1- CB T Porter
2- OLB/ WLB: Leroy Hill or Wesley Woodyard
3- C S Satele
March 18th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Sign T Porter!!!!
March 18th, 2012 at 8:38 am
I think we are just scratching the surface of how good Wiz II is going to be. He’s gonnna be an All-Pro someday. At C or G.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Remember, that Wiz has only played one season at Center, at that was in 2009 in college for 11 games.
He very well may turn into an elite Center in the NFL, I just think due to his lack of experience, there is a steeper curve to get there.
Like I said, he is ALREADY on his way as a Pro Bowl guard.
He still has a lot of learning to do as a Center.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:43 am
We still need depth at C, Satele or someone else. Satele might be ok as bench guy. Injuries are always part of the game. Might be good insurance, but I’d be just as happy if he’s not in the Raiders plans.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Blocking is blocking.
If you’re good at it, G or C shouldn’t matter. Especially if there is no football IQ issue.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Carlisle would be a great option to bring back on the cheap. I think he could still be an effective starter if forced back into action.
Would expect a guy like Hurd or Parsons to have a shot at cracking the roster, too. But OT and C need depth. Maybe Heyer can be retained as a swing tackle.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Brisiel has some run at C, I was reading.
What if we brought Carlisle back at a reduced number and went with Wiz-Brisiel-Carlisle as our interior line?
March 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I wouldn’t mind having Barnes back at RT. He played pretty damn well. False starts were certainly an issue though.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Little suprised that M. Bush has gone almost a week into free agency and no rumblings of imminent signings, and the trail seems cold. Wasn’t he supposed to get a chance to be a starter somewhere?
I look at the trio of Bush, Tolbert, and Green-Ellis as a set of dominoes that will each have a cause/effect on the others.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Wasn’t it Barnes that had 3 straight false starts on the same series in a game last year. Then he was bench the rest of the game?
March 18th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I think the 3 false starts on Barnes was a preseason game.
As far as guys that get some “run” at Center, since centers make more money and get more accolades, if someone played Center and was any good at it, they would stay there.
Give me a damn Center, not some dude that can play center.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I know it’s a longshot, but if we can somehow get Winston in here to talk, I know Reggie Mac can get him with the program. Bookend stud tackles would mask other weaknesses.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Chiefs got Winston.
March 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I missed the news. Chiefs are going to be very good.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Chiefs are going to be tough, for sure.
Personally, I look forward to the AFC West being much tougher next year.
Worst thing for a young team is to get used to easy wins. Gotta beat the best to be the best.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Bring it on!
March 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Agree 100%, YA.
Not scared of any of these teams!
March 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Khalif needs to go. That should be Reggies #1 priority on offense.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:19 am
J Hill Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I wouldn’t mind having Barnes back at RT. He played pretty damn well. False starts were certainly an issue though.
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Are you serious?
March 18th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Barnes is GONE. He is a FA, and I doubt Reggie is interested in bringing him back.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
If the options are Barksdale and Campbell, then yeah I’m serious.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I hope Denver keeps Tebow as their starting QB.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Ummm…wrong.
Here’s where you Al haters just don’t get it. It was his team, and he took it where it went — high and low. And…he left this earth a far richer man than when he entered it…literally and figuratively. Along the way, he made his partners hundreds of millions of dollars…and he made a lot of young men rich beyond anyone’s wild expectations.
As a human being, Al did something most of us will never do — he left a major, legendary impact on his profession (not just his company), and on those around him…mostly a solid legacy, with many friends and loyal followers that can be counted in the hundreds if not thousands.
Al had a lucky, crazy life that we might be fortunate to have for ourselves. The fact some of you can’t let your hatred and disagreements with the guy go, long after his passing, is pretty sad. For you.
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You subscribe to the Great Men theory of history, which elevates flawed human beings into living deities. Most great leaders benefit to one degree or another from luck and timing, and Al certainly took advantage of both–embellished by his own brand of ruthlessness, which I don’t necessarily begrudge him given what he accomplished from 1963 to around 1985. To me, it was probably justified and put a modest industrial city on the map and, what’s more, created the merged NFL as we know it today.
But your view of history tends to obscure/paper over/forgive flaws, even the most egregious ones that many great leaders ultimately succumb to. In Al’s case it was his hubris, which prevented him from hiring professional staff over the past two decades in anticipation of his eventual succession. He thought he could do it to the very end, when all available evidence–most significantly the team’s record, and the sinking value of the franchise itself–indicated otherwise. He also committed one of the most vile sins of hubris: he instigated petty political battles with players he incorrectly viewed as disloyal, players who only had a differing perspective from him. And these battles hurt the team.
These sins of commission point to a talented man who in his final years lacked perspective, lacked wisdom, and most significantly lacked the courage to plan for his own replacement. He couldn’t do it, and for that sin we fans also paid a price.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I rather have Barksdale or Campbell over Barnes.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:31 am
I rather sign an URFA to start at RT over Barnes.
Barnes was the weakest link on that OL unit.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:32 am
What’s your beef with Barnes?
Veldheer had more penalties and penalty yardage.
March 18th, 2012 at 9:34 am
I’d say Satele and Carlisle were the weak links.
Literally!
March 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Khalif Barnes,
You are the weakest link. Goodbye!
March 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
You think Barnes played better than CC and Satele? Baseb on what? Penalties and yards?
March 18th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Raider O Says:
March 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Khalif Barnes,
You are the weakest link. Goodbye
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Maybe we ought to put the Witch that hosted that show on the coaching staff. She was a deal!!! lol
March 18th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Have her in the locker room when we are doing roster cuts.
Ann Robinson: “player”, you are the weakest link. Give my your playbook. Goodbye!
March 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
LMFAO Raider O
March 18th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Fking whiners are doing well..
March 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
282. When did briesel play center? How many games? It would be great if he can at least be wizs’ backup.
March 18th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Jhill u are correct about Barnes considering our other options
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