Bush signs with Bears
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, March 22nd, 2012 at 9:01 am in Oakland Raiders.
Running back Michael Bush will back up Matt Forte instead of Darren McFadden _ and get a lot more money in the process.
Bush signed a four-year contract worth $14 million, with nearly $7.8 million guaranteed, according to the Chicago Tribune. That represents the figure Bush would have been paid by the Raiders had they decided to franchise him instead of safety Tyvon Branch.
Forte has been franchised by the Bears but wants a long-term deal.
Bush’s departure leaves Taiwan Jones as the backup for McFadden. Both players had injury issues last season.
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March 22nd, 2012 at 9:03 am
We don’t need backups!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:03 am
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:02 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
I’ll take Marion Barber
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He used to be one of my favorite players (non Raider of course). Now… not so much.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:04 am
We need players who want to start & win. Not players who want to get paid and be backups!
Puzzies!!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:04 am
What a punk. Gtfo of here then Bush.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 am
Bush: he rufuses to play FB, he Lacked stamina, and wanted to get paid.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
So when McFragile misses 8 games with a hangnail what happens? Tai Jones? Yeah right. Best wishes to Bush, good signing. At least he’ll score some playoff scratch.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
Good dude blocks like my sister
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
raiders can’t afford starters
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
A Foster was undrafted.
Bush was a 4th RD pick.
I’m sure we can find a backup RB.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
the way mcfadden gets hurt he could have played enough to break 1000 yards here as a backup ,he’ll be lucky to get 500 yards next season
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
Hey Mikey, I thought you wanted to start? What a punk move. All about the money huh?
Take your slow arse and get out of Oakland pronto. Have fun with the 3rd/4th and ones Chicago. The dude can’t break through rice paper.
At least now we get to see what T.Jones is all about.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Can’t blame him, plus I’ll be able to watch him more in person since Im smack in the middle of Illinois..
Welcome to the Heartland Mike!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 8:55 am
Bear Bush? Love it.
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best bush there is bare .. whoops you said bear…
never mind !!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 am
well at least he will have somebody he knowes to talk to while he sits on the bench. good luck soup and mikey, it was fun while it lasted. now just be careful of splinters while your a$$ rides the bench !!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 8:28 am
ElkGRaider Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
Anybody the Raiders should kick the tires on ???
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Fletcher, Franklin, and Benson….
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
40 yo MLB? No thank you
33 yo NT? I rather have a young guy. Not another Henderson
Benson is a good option.
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You see Fletcher last year? Still has it. Would be a good option till we can get a real MLB (not Slowlando)…
Franklin would be a good rotation guy…
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Is Forte going to be healthy to start the season?
Won’t Bush be the lead back to start off the year?
Forte was Franchised this year?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
well at least he will have somebody he knowes to talk to while he sits on the bench. good luck soup and mikey
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
@RaiderRockstar
Kinda like Jackie Battle, would be a low cost signing and he also can/will play fullback. Good hand out of the backfield.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
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Exactly why you don’t overpay for Bush…(could also pick a guy up late in the draft)
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Imaquaman Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
the way mcfadden gets hurt he could have played enough to break 1000 yards here as a backup ,he’ll be lucky to get 500 yards next season
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The object is to get paid. He did. I don’t think he cares too much about yards…
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Another Davis guy bites the dust. Thnx 4 being a R8R!
Go Raiders!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Bush to the Bears?… No Biggie….
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
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I’ll take Ladanian and T.Jones…from 3 years ago
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Exactly why you don’t overpay for Bush
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??? I havent paid for bush in 30 years !!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
11.morilla Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
Hey Mikey, I thought you wanted to start? What a punk move. All about the money huh?
Take your slow arse and get out of Oakland pronto. Have fun with the 3rd/4th and ones Chicago. The dude can’t break through rice paper.
At least now we get to see what T.Jones is all about.
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Hey now, come on, if it was any one of us, and we had been playing on a contract for a 4th round pick, and now suddenly had the chance to secure nearly $8 million dollars, we all would have jumped on that deal. If he had already made a ton of money, then we could give him schyyyt about it, but the dude needed some security, and he knew he would have to settle for a backup position, so he had to take the best deal.
There should be zero animosity towards Michael Bush for taking that deal. There is no way in hell the Raiders could have come close to that.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
well at least he will have somebody he knowes to talk to while he sits on the bench. good luck soup and mikey
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good one!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
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Woof. Thin list. Grant, Tomlinson, Hightower and Williams are the only ones I’d even sniff around. Might as well draft a guy or find a UDFA.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
is Forsett worth a look, and can he block??
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
19.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
@RaiderRockstar
Kinda like Jackie Battle, would be a low cost signing and he also can/will play fullback. Good hand out of the backfield.
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I could be wrong, but didn’t he suffer a pretty serious injury near the end of last year?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
@HB
I’ll take Tomlinson & Jones in 2012
don’t really know what we have in Taiwan Jones & Lonyae Miller!!
L.T. turns 33 in June
T.J. turns 34 in August
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
I kind of forgot about Jackie Battle. The perfect back-up RB. Played pretty well, filling in for Charles. Is a pretty good, all around RB. I would sign him on the cheap or look or an undrafted RB.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
I’m sure Fletcher played well. He is one of my favorite NFL players, but I’m not interested in signing a 40 yo FA MLB. It’s a business decision.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to sign a NT in FA unless we can sign him to the vets min. I like Pat Sims.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
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I’d be okay with Benson, Grant, Jones or even Williams.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
……….and young w/out that wear and tear.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
What about Kevin Smith?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Free agent RB Jackie Battle visited the Chargers on Tuesday.
GM A.J. Smith indicated on Monday that the team was interested in four running backs to replace Mike Tolbert. With plenty of speed for a big back, yet no semblance of lateral agility, Battle wouldn’t be a threat to Ryan Mathews’ fantasy value if signed. He carries more value as a special teamer.
Mar 20 – 4:45 PM
Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
Bush ended up being backup RB with the Bears after all. Very baffling, I’ll tell ya. Moving on. Anyway, we need more signings too many holes to fill. I wish Drew Brees was signing with the Raiders and I’ll like my chances with my Raiders going against the Donkeys. Wishful thinking though. Good Luck Michael Bush.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
I’m sure Fletcher played well. He is one of my favorite NFL players, but I’m not interested in signing a 40 yo FA MLB. It’s a business decision.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to sign a NT in FA unless we can sign him to the vets min. I like Pat Sims.
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Fletch can def. still bring it, at almost 40. Dude is always top 10 in tackles every year. Amazing.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
To think we would franchise Bush at 7.7 mil when he’s only worth 3.
Its a new day Raider Nation
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
What about Kevin Smith?
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rumors are that Detroit are pushing hard to bring him back.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Bush should always be free. Bear Bush is different.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
No love for Ronnie Brown (disregard his dumb @ss throw with the Eagles)?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
@HB
I’ll take Tomlinson & Jones in 2012
don’t really know what we have in Taiwan Jones & Lonyae Miller!!
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Liked Miller alot at Fresno St. backing up Mathews.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
I’m sure Fletcher played well. He is one of my favorite NFL players, but I’m not interested in signing a 40 yo FA MLB. It’s a business decision.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to sign a NT in FA unless we can sign him to the vets min. I like Pat Sims.
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Fletch can def. still bring it, at almost 40. Dude is always top 10 in tackles every year. Amazing.
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Trying to tell em DMAC…
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
My name is Bush. I don’t wanna be a FB, I don’t wanna be in great shape, I wanna get paid and be a backup close to home!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
The Lions are reportedly in discussions to re-sign free agent RB Kevin Smith.
The versatile Smith should come cheaply enough considering his checkered injury history. The Lions reportedly have visions of a Saints-like backfield with Smith joining Jahvid Best (concussions) and Mikel Leshoure (Achilles).
Mar 20 – 5:02 PM
Source: Anwar Richardson on Twitter
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
@HB
I’ll take Tomlinson & Jones in 2012
don’t really know what we have in Taiwan Jones & Lonyae Miller!!
L.T. turns 33 in June
T.J. turns 34 in August
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I turn 35 in April, The thought of doing what these guys do at this age blows my mind. Granted I’m not quite in the shape these guys are in, or even close lol
In all seriousness I would consider giving Justin Forskin a look in camp.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Can’t blame Bush for going for the $. Hope they ask him to cover for Clutts- if he’s still on Chi-town’s roster.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Does anyone think that we should look at Brandon Jacobs. He was cut by the Giants and I’m not sure if anyone has signed him?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
40 yo FA MLB? That’s the answer at LB?!
Stop it!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
901Raiders Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Does anyone think that we should look at Brandon Jacobs. He was cut by the Giants and I’m not sure if anyone has signed him?
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And you thought Bush was the only big back to hit the hole soft???
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
In all seriousness I would consider giving Justin Forskin a look in camp.
All this talk about forskins and bush?? WTF is this?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
Area man Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Can’t blame Bush for going for the $. Hope they ask him to cover for Clutts- if he’s still on Chi-town’s roster.
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Yeah, that’s one way to get his boy J.Camp in the game lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
I like Ronnie Brown.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
40 yo FA MLB? That’s the answer at LB?!
Stop it!
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The new moneyball Raiders. Look at production. Not physique…
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
50. Jacobs kind of a deek me hears….Battle would be alright. Liked Tolbert but no dice.
Benson with 1,100 yds last yr. Vic Tafur says “Not a whiff.” for the big back.
Like RNS pointed out, no market for backs as the League takes advanatage of slanted passing rules designed to make the game more exciting.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
You may have a good point. ElkG.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
In all seriousness I would consider giving Justin Forskin a look in camp.
All this talk about forskins and bush?? WTF is this?
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just another day at the office here with the semi’s lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Got some trust in Reggie, he is taking a logical approach to the roster & cap. Haven’t seen that here in, well, like forever. Don’t know if he’s getting enough for the situation he walked into, but he’s cashing the checks so he better perform – like everyone in S&B. No more scholarships for players, coaches or front office. Those days are gone!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
Tomlinson wouldn’t be a bad pickup, but he is somewhat of a McFadden clone…..I would like our backup to be a bruiser who can get the 3rd and 2 yards. Frankly, I think over the past couple of years McFadden should have been that guy, but the staff chose to let Bush try it due to his size….both short yardage and goal line situations, and McFadden was clearly a stronger, more powerful runner than Bush.
I miss Zack Crockett.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
I don’t think any GM will agree with you. I don’t think he is willing to give up on a 22 yo MLB to bring in a 40 yo.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
We are building a team. We are not 1 LB away from winning a SB.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
I don’t think any GM will agree with you. I don’t think he is willing to give up on a 22 yo MLB to bring in a 40 yo.
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Not saying you have to release SlowMo (but if you can get a good pick…take it)
There are things you can teach: reads, angles, technique
Things you can’t teach: speed, heart, not cheesing when arrested
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
LT is a Raider Hater. Trust me I know (live in SD). He calls himself a Raider Hater.
Eff LT!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
What should we do next season after the 40 yo retires. Look for a new MLB?
That makes no sense.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
just say no to Tomlinson. we can have our players sitting on the bench crying !!!
THERE IS NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL !!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
Now lets sign that RB named Trim, or that other guy, Cooch.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
Yeah, F LT!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
Zack was a beast. So was that OL. Great vet team.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
What should we do next season after the 40 yo retires. Look for a new MLB?
That makes no sense.
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Allows us to trade him for a pick and transition to get a true MLB in next years draft
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Mike,
The only time you are allowed to cry in football is after you win a SB, or during your HOF speech.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
I wonder if Reggie was holding some of that cap space in the hope that Bush would return? If so, we might see a signing or two today. (fingers crossed)
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
I am sure that ReggieMc has seen Rockstar’s FA RB list and realized that not one single player on it is a standout worth the bother.
better to keep turning over rocks and beating the brush on farms and community colleges.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
I wonder if Reggie was holding some of that cap space in the hope that Bush would return? If so, we might see a signing or two today. (fingers crossed)
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I was thinking the same thing
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
#15 – from that list, Reggie use a draft pick or sign an udfa to compete with Taiwan and current other back ups
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Jacobs is soft.
I pass!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Let’s me get this straight.
1- sign a 40 yo MLB
2- replace a 22 yo who we just drafted in the top 10 two years ago with a 40 yo
3- trade our 22 yo MLB (that we picked in the top 10 to draft another 22 yo rookie.
4- give up on our 22 yo MLB after 2 years.
I’m sorry, but I can’t see the logic behind these moves. Makes no sense to me at all.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
You want a true all around MLB.
EJ Henderson is your guy!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
You guys think Romac is best suited at the other LB positions, besides the middle?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
Sign Lifting, Lawson, or Fletcher.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
I’m not giving up on RoMac. He has a lot of potential, and was playing in a crappy scheme last year. I think the boy just needs better coaching and he’ll be a stud.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
Jackie Battle on the cheap.
Sign him!
Use that $$$$$ on other needs.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
I think Romac is our best LB, and I predict good things for him next season.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
I’m not giving up on RoMac. He has a lot of potential, and was playing in a crappy scheme last year. I think the boy just needs better coaching and he’ll be a stud.
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I want him to ball, but he’s gotta show us something this year. No excuses!
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
@ #78- last year I could see it happening, not this year though.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Romac might need to lose a little weight. We’ll see how he shows up to OTA’s.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Hasta La Crotch, BUSH! We’ll see ya. Now Reggie just needs to use one of the supplemental picks on Robert Turbin from Utah State. Michael who?????????????
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
L.A.and O…
i hope you guys are right on this one, guess we will see
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Lofton not lifting you dumba$$ cell auto correct ; EJ would be a good pick up also
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
SIGN PORTET!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Lofton wants a fat ass contract.
Not happening.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
Can M. Barber pass protect well?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
The Colts reportedly have “ongoing interest” in free agent OLB Manny Lawson.
The Indy Star’s Phil Richards reports the Raiders, Packers, and Browns are “also involved.” The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Wednesday that the Browns had no interest, so it sounds like Lawson’s agent is planting seeds in the non-Cleveland media. Lawson would fit nicely in Indianapolis’ hybrid 3-4 defense, playing the Jarret Johnson role as an edge setter versus the run.
Related: Colts
Source: Phil Richards on Twitter
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
Lb, lb, LB,
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:04 am
Sign Portet!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raiders have interest in Manny Lawson?
sweet!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
we need a real change of pace backup to DMAC. Taiwan can run like hell in shorts, but i am yet to see him take on blitzers, run a decent route out of the backfield, and run up the middle…
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
Sign McIntoch, Lawson, or Hill to be our other OLB.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
Never did trust those shifty eyes LOL! He and Cambell can sit by the heaters together!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
Sign Portet !!! this will work out all the way around.
if they decide to suspened any of the players involved in “bountygate”,we can say.. wrong guy that was Porter we have Portet !!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
Taking last year’s performance as evidence I can say RoMac is slow and lazy…
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:10 am
DO BEARS HAVE BUSH?I GUESS THEY DO NOW…
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
Sign Portet !!! this will work out all the way around.
if they decide to suspened any of the players involved in “bountygate”,we can say.. wrong guy that was Porter we have Portet !!!
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lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Big mistake! Reggie you are going to look bad on this one. 17$ mill for a back of that calibre is a no brainer. If we don’t get a someone close to his talent IMO this is the first strike against Reggie a bigtime blunder.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thanks for the good games, Bush. TB, KC, SD come to mind off the top of the head. That said, we got good production out of a 4th rounder, and now we can find another in the draft.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Does a bear schyyyt in the Bush?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Unless he and his Agent were not talking that way to Reggie?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Should we pay $3.5 million per year for a back up RB, or should we spend that money on a starting OLB, CB, G, RT, etc..?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
Priesttj Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Big mistake! Reggie you are going to look bad on this one. 17$ mill for a back of that calibre is a no brainer. If we don’t get a someone close to his talent IMO this is the first strike against Reggie a bigtime blunder.
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You dont like the prospects in this years draft at RB? Pretty deep. Fresher legs than Bush, faster players, and not to mention, guys that dont mind blocking. Bush was “good”, but definitely replaceable.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
Damn….hate to see my fellow Louisvillian leave. We couldn’t offer him that same deal and spread the guaranteed money out over 2 years? If not, we deserved to lose him. Gosh damn; that wasn’t a lot of bread at all. Oh well, he’s only a 5 hour drive away from the crib and his fam in the Ville though, and he’s a big hometown head so good for him.
Appreciate the contributions big Mike! Farewell my dude. Some clowns in here only remember the few bad plays and missed assignments, and neglect to acknowledge how big a piece you were.
But it’s the nature of the business…next man up…Raider NATION.
Rack ‘em
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
What about Joseph Addai? Wasn’t really used much in Indy was he?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:21 am
What about DT Pat Sims? He was a rotational guy for Cinci.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:21 am
I’ll bet Addai can pass block though lol!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:22 am
Chicago over paid.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
when dmc stubs a toe getting a soda from the vending machine and jones pulls a hammy running for his helmet what are reggie and da gonna do? they got their head up their azs
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 am
Thank God our GM is not any of a number of guys on this blog who wanted to pay Bush $5 million per.
Jay Cutler just left home to help assist Forte with his rehab and recovery. I’m sure he wants no part of Bush out there in pass protection.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 am
I didn’t think Chi overpaid. They are contenders, but they need to upgrade their backup situation at QB and RB. We all watched hat happened when Cutler and Forte got injured.
Bush and JC can help them.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
I can’t believe we didn’t pony up 3.5 mill to the only back that was actually on the field for the majority of the time the past few years. McFadden must’ve ordered two new feet and replaced his toes. If that’s what happened; I’m perfectly fine with letting Bush walk, but damn Big Mack…. I’m with you, but 3.5 mill a year? My dude couldn’t get that?!?! I want us to sign a stud RT, DT, or OLB immediately or I’m pissed, and the rest of Raider Nation should be to.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:27 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Should we pay $3.5 million per year for a back up RB, or should we spend that money on a starting OLB, CB, G, RT, etc..?
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No- Rb
Yes on others
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Exhibit A on the last person we want as GM: Period!
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105.priesttj Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Big mistake! Reggie you are going to look bad on this one. 17$ mill for a back of that calibre is a no brainer. If we don’t get a someone close to his talent IMO this is the first strike against Reggie a bigtime blunder.
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I hope we pick up Jacob Hester. Way better than Bush at a fraction of the cost. Bush ain’t worth the money players give back to teams to pay for the practice squad.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Never seen such whining over a fcking backup running back signing elsewhere.
Then again this is the same crew who acted like Reggie Mac just fired Chuck Noll when he schitcanned HueJax.
Perspective people. As the kids say, “smh”
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Would not block
Dances around rather than lower his shoulder
Tap the helmet way too often
Can’t take it to the house
Other than that Bush was great. Congrats to Chicago. Can we pls get a real short yardage specialist in here RM?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Bush is nothing but an improved version of Nick Bell. Glad we didnt waste our cap on him.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Other than that Bush was great. Congrats to Chicago. Can we pls get a real short yardage specialist in here RM?
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Zack Crockett still works as a scout!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Good luck to Bush — more money left for the Raiders to improve the team. If Forte stays healthy all year, Bush’ll be collecting his money while wearing a ballcap!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 am
Sign Zack Crockett!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Zack Crockett was a BEAST.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Sign John Richie!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
Sour grapes sour grapes sour grapes. Chitown got a steal and when Bush rushes for more than 1,000 and these wannabes aren’t even close, none of you will admit what you’re saying now.
Chicago or Redskins perfect systems for what Bush does. Reggie is just trying take credit for rebiulding this team he’s making a lot of unnecessary moves. The offense was fine fix the defense. Great GM’s know the best FA are your own. I hope it works out, but Bush will be huge in Chicago.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
F everything ya’ll hollering about right now…3.5 M ain’t sh!t; and ya’ll know it…Seems like the Priest cat is the only one smart enough to acknowledge that’s chump change for a TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY lb back like that. Ya’ll were crying we couldn’t give dude something between 6 and 8 which is entirely debatable; but 3.5 million dollars? That’s Prince Akeem and Semi’s pocket-change… We couldn’t offer dude a 1 million dollar raise?! Screw the acronym smh, I’m officially shaking my head….I’m just hoping we didn’t disrespect that man and at least offered him the same dough..
Glad my dude is only a 5 hour hike from the crib now though….I’m sure family and friends played a huge part in it…Oakland ain’t the cheapest plane ticket from the Ville…
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
I’m not happy for Bush. Dude could have been a starter at Cinci or another team, but he went for the Money.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
Zack was an automatic, guaranteed, don’t even think about it 3rd or 4th and 1 conversion. Loved that guy, hope he can dodge the reshuffling coming in the scouting department.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Good luck to Mike Bush, thanks for the service. Okay over that already.
I miss Zack Crockett too. Maybe Son of Huggy has stayed in shape and wants to slam into 300# men again.
I am not that concerned about Reggie Mack finding a suitable replacement. RB is about as deep a position in young talent as exists on earth. Rookies are capable of coming in and being productive. Just make sure they can pass block/pick up the blitz.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
It appears the Bears are giving money away. If someone finds out where to sign up, let the blog know please. I have some kids in college. Thanks.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Let’s see what kind of magic can be worked in the mid to later rounds of the draft. Then, we’ll see what gems Reggie can mine from the waiver wire and FA market. I am very curious to see what kind of team comes together here in teh immediate post-Al era.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Sign or draft a real FB and move Reece into the backup RB role.
Done.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
John Richie was/ is one of my favorite Raiders. He is smart and he was a good player.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Bush is a goner.
Get over it.
New era!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Reggie Mck is smellin’ himself a lil’much……….period
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 am
You gotta luv that bloody face.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:41 am
At least Bush did not sign with a team in the AFC West or the AFC, for that matter. I was fearful he would sign with Denver of the Chargers and come back to haunt the Raiders. If this Miller dude from Fresno State is for real, then the Raiders have their running back rotation. It all hinges on McFadden’s health, or lack thereof.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:41 am
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Sign or draft a real FB and move Reece into the backup RB role.
Done.
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What about that dude in Denver (Larson? I think)?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
I think the only person whining on here is you Priest. Can’t block, Can’t do the short yardage, can’t take it to the house and taps the helmet way too often. Other than that, he’s pretty good.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
131.SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
F everything ya’ll hollering about right now…3.5 M ain’t sh!t; and ya’ll know it…Seems like the Priest cat is the only one smart enough to acknowledge that’s chump change for a TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY lb back like that. Ya’ll were crying we couldn’t give dude something between 6 and 8 which is entirely debatable; but 3.5 million dollars? That’s Prince Akeem and Semi’s pocket-change… We couldn’t offer dude a 1 million dollar raise?! Screw the acronym smh, I’m officially shaking my head….I’m just hoping we didn’t disrespect that man and at least offered him the same dough..
Glad my dude is only a 5 hour hike from the crib now though….I’m sure family and friends played a huge part in it…Oakland ain’t the cheapest plane ticket from the Ville…
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I’m willing to bet you and Priest could give us similar production at the RB spot for two keys to the facility and a couple of Wal-Mart gift cards.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
Bush was a very good runner relieving the top guy, and he could catch the ball, but doggone it, when a guy making that much money doesn’t want to block (yes, I believe he doesn’t WANT TO LEARN to block), he limits play calling at inopportune times.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
A bruising RB for short yardage is quite easy to find. As a matter of fact, you can find specialist talent very easy. It’s finding a guy that can do it all that is hard. That is why I have no problem letting Bush go and find an ACTUAL short yardage specialist.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
There’s probably, what, 100 running backs in the NFL across the 32 teams? I can’t even think of 10 that are truly dynamic, special, game changing forces. I can come up with Arian Foster, DMac, Adrian Peterson, MJD, LeSean McCoy, Ray Rice and Frank Gore. Running backs are easily replaceable. They can be found anywhere. Of that list, only DMac and AP are 1st round picks. MJD, McCoy and Rice are all 2nd rounders, Gore was a 3rd and Foster a friggin’ UDFA.
Look at what happened to Chris Johnson and DeAngelo Williams when they got paid…fell right off a fcking cliff.
Look at where Reggie Mac came from, Green Bay. When was the last time they had a truly elite back? The Horning/Taylor combo of the 60’s? Hell, even back to those 90’s Favre teams…Dorsey Levens was their #1! Dorsey Levens!
Relax about Bush leaving. Success or failure over the next few years comes down almost entirely to Carson Palmer, the protection he receives and the quality of the guys he’s throwing to.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Bush gone? BFD. Can’t block and thinks he’s Napoleon Kaufman. We can get anyone to give us just under 4 ypc.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Watch your back Jay.
You have a RB back there who is not good at protecting his QB and doesn’t like to block.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
Of course, the system rewarded him for not learning to block, didn’t it? He obviously had two plans: the first, land a role as a lead back; two, if that fails, land a role as the #2 back, but one that makes more money than as the #2 back with the Raiders.
As long as his deficiencies didn’t stop another team from paying him, he got one of those two choices–so, at least for now in his career, no need to learn to block, no need to occasionally play fullback either.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Watch your back Jay.
You have a RB back there who is not good at protecting his QB and doesn’t like to block.
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Problem for Cutler is that his whole offensive line hates to block too apparently! Forte may be the best pass blocker on that offense.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Maybe he can block the wind swirling around Soldier Field
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Mike Bush is no great loss. He’s only been effective as a change of pace runner, and gets worn down easily. Good luck to him in Chi-town. He was a good soldier when he was here. Now I don’t give a F*** about him.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
I like the concept of signing Thomas Jones for a low cap hit, incentive laden deal. I don’t see him getting a better offer in FA right now, with the large list of RBs combined with his 34 years of age. Let’s see what he has left in camp, and then make the call on whether to keep him or not.
The reason he would do well for the Raiders is that he is the prototypical ZBS back. He really flourished with the Jets in that scheme, and then dropped off playing in KCs system. He’s well rounded, can catch and block, and has a good work ethic. Could at the minimum be a great mentor for DMac and T Jones Jr. in the nuances of the ZBS. At least up until DMac’s inevitable pinky toe sprain, he can carry say 5-7 times a game and keep DMac fresh — maybe even postpone that toe injury by a game or two as a result.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
That was surprising about Chi this offseason. Their best FA signings so far have been JC & Bush (backup QB & RB). I also like the trade for B Marshall, but they should do something about that OL. Should have signed a G and T IMHO.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
#123,
Bush did indeed “Tap the helmet way too often.” Yes, he did, a point not often made on this blog.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Bush needs Ty Wheatley as his RB coach
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:52 am
This board is just as clueless as ever….bye!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:52 am
I like Bush as much as the next guy (no pun intended) but we can draft a guy his size and skill set if we choose to do so. T Jones and Dmac are a nice pair (no pun intended, again).
The end
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
167 – didn’t he fall out of favor with Cable guy for that at one point?
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
Just realized we’ve really only loss three sue starters, and two of them were our two most way out of wack contracts, Routt and Wimbley (Boss the 3rd).
Satele, Bush, Henderson, Campbell, Schilens, all were going to be back ups anyway.
Losing Campbell could be the one that hurts us the most, if Carson gets injured and TP is still focusing on cars instead of game film.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
tj, pls dont go!
hahahahahahahahahaahahaa
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priesttj Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:52 am
This board is just as clueless as ever….bye!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
504 Raider Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
I’m willing to bet you and Priest could give us similar production at the RB spot for two keys to the facility and a couple of Wal-Mart gift cards.
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Naa, I doubt me or Priest could get 242 yards from scrimmage against the Chargers in one game…oh yea, no other back has done that for us since Bo Jackson. I doubt we could get 900+ only starting 9 games with no other back to back us up to get a breather….
And some fools keep hollering the can’t block ish…hilarious…quit drinking each other’s kool-aid…dude missed a few assignments just like any other back…you guys are the same people who turn a blind eye to the fact McFadden might not give us 30 more games in his career…Lord, I hope not, but it’s a very real possibility…but like we’re all saying, next man up…
It’s a blog..we’re supposed to talk about what the latest news is; and I’ve said my piece…I’m done on the topic…
Louisville/Michigan St. tonight…Pitino and Izzo..get ya popcorn ready! JFB/Method – Holla at me! I’ll be in Phoenix reppin’ hard!!! GO CARDS!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
The most interesting thing about the Bush signing with the many year deal and the not small price tag, is when you look at it in conjunction with Forte’s situation. Forte wanted that long term deal and instead got hit with the one year franchise tag. I wonder just how much Bush is for the Bears as leverage to get Forte to sign a more friendly long term deal.
In theory, having Bush on board even gives the Bears the option to revoke the tag and let Forte walk in order to save a large chunk of cap. Or maybe convert the tag to Transition hoping that someone signs him at that lower price. That would then give the Bears some good 2013 draft picks and in effect make it a decent trade for them.
It makes me wonder if that was part of the conversation with Bush, where they said he’s the likely starter next year and possibly even this year depending on negotiations with Forte.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
I’m out
Rack ‘em
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Priest – I thought you were a big fan of Tai Jones.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
the Bears learned the lesson of how important roster depth is…
they started last season 7-3 with their only losses to the offensive juggernauts (Saints, Packers & Lions) with a healthy Cutler & Forte.
then had 5 straight losses without them. barely squeaked out a WK17 win over Minny (without Adrian Peterson) because Charles Tillman had a pick-six on Joe Webb!
Jason Campbell & Michael Bush were overpaid as a result of this. oh well
Depth is just as important to the Oakland Raiders imo
Can you imagine what the offense would look like without Carson Palmer & Darren McFadden this year?
yikes !!
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Raiders may not even sign a veteran RB frankly. Depending on what they think of Lonyae Miller, they may have their trio of backs on the roster already.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 am
tj is a big fan of wanting you to take everything he says as gospel and if you dont you are either racist or dumb.
FYI
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The Big Banana Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Priest – I thought you were a big fan of Tai Jones.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 am
Now Stanton wants out? What a zoo they’re putting together in NY
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
Yeah, noticed that, MistaB. Misty’s like that too.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Bush needed to be a starter to be great, Forte had a serious injury, DMACs have been multiple nagging ones, Bush was not going to be starter this year, (wouldve been two years ago, if not for injuring his hand last preseason game),
Bush will probably be great, but unless Raiders trade Darren was never going to happen in Oakland or LA.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
luvmarvhub Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
#123,
Bush did indeed “Tap the helmet way too often.” Yes, he did, a point not often made on this blog.
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so true. lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Pryor & Jones have MASSIVE potential, but neither has done much in the NFL. rest assured they will be given an opportunity sooner rather than later, but you’ve got to have veteran depth.
grab one of these RB’s in case Taiwan Jones isn’t the real deal or gets hurt (again):
Cedric Benson
Brandon Jacobs
Joseph Addai
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
grab one of these QB’s in case Pryor needs another year of development:
Donovan McNabb
Vince Young
David Carr
Kellen Clemens
Jake Delhomme
A.J. Feeley
Matt Leinart
Luke McCown
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Raiders may not even sign a veteran RB frankly. Depending on what they think of Lonyae Miller, they may have their trio of backs on the roster already
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@PA
thats true – the zbs is VERY rb friendly!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Really Preistj, you think Reggie Mack is (wanting)taking credit for rebuilding the Raiders and is full of himself and that is driving his actions?!?
Wtf? His SOLE job is to rebuild the RAIDER franchise after the loss of the legendary Al Davis. HIS SOLE JOB moron.
He will get credit or he will take blame.
To think his ego is driving his decision whether he signs a backup RB for $8Mill guaranteed is bizarre…
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Boo!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Raiders may not even sign a veteran RB frankly. Depending on what they think of Lonyae Miller, they may have their trio of backs on the roster already
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@PA
thats true – the zbs is VERY rb friendly!!
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Exactly. Look how many mediocre RBs Shanarat made into 1000 yard rushers!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:06 am
I think people let Bush’s size confuse them into thinking he is a “power” back. Hes not. Never was. He is a finesse back. DMAC is more of a “power” back than Bush has ever been. DMAC hits the hole and defenders the way Bush should. But Bush only put on the extra weight after breaking his leg. He was always a dancing, wait for the hole type of RB, even at Louisville. Go back and watch. Now, hes big enough that if he is taking on someone smaller than him, he will be able to run them over, but every Raider fan here knows Bush has never been a bruiser. Ever. We can find another RB in the draft, that wont cost close to what Bush got.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Speaking of Misty, he still butthurt that his all star QB is a backup, after all? Like we’ve all been saying. Upset he’s now carrying Cutler’s bags? Upset his propaganda fell flat on its azz and exposed him as a fraud? Poor fella.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Zy leverage definitely played a role in that contract
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:09 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Speaking of Misty, he still butthurt that his all star QB is a backup, after all? Like we’ve all been saying. Upset he’s now carrying Cutler’s bags? Upset his propaganda fell flat on its azz and exposed him as a fraud? Poor fella.
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Hahahahaha, surprised he hasn’t been in there with a 5,000 word treatise on how the entire front offices of all NFL teams are idiots who don’t recognize Campbell’s greatness!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:09 am
DMAC is more of a “power” back than Bush has ever been.
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100% correct. DMAC looks for contact while Bush dances. Bush runs into people because he can’t dance around them.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
173 – wasn’t he the effective starter for the better part of last season?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
I am glad for Mike Bush but we weren’t going to pay that guy $8mil guaranteed. Clearly Reggie Mack has a track record of finding RBs and his coaching staff getting production out of them. Ryan Grant was an UDFA if I recall…
Booty, that is true, and one of the things that used to frustrate the $#it outta me with Bush. Still he had soft hands and was a productuve runner. But we weren’t throwing down $8mil on that dude. Period.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Matt Forte @MattForte22 Reply Retweeted Retweet
There’s only so many times a man that has done everything he’s been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last….
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Looks like Forte isn’t real happy about the signing?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
raiderjhawk Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Matt Forte @MattForte22 Reply Retweeted Retweet
There’s only so many times a man that has done everything he’s been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last….
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Looks like Forte isn’t real happy about the signing?
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He is pizzed. He retweeted someone saying that’s 3 years in a row they’ve signed big money backups and not paid Forte. This could get fun.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Pryor & Jones have MASSIVE potential, but neither has done much in the NFL. rest assured they will be given an opportunity sooner rather than later, but you’ve got to have veteran depth.
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That’s drinking a bit too much silver and black koolaid. Neither have MASSIVE potential, which is why neither went high in the first round, let alone in the second. Hell, every team in NFL passed twice on Pryor, and some thrice, even at the reduced rate of a next season’s draft pick (worth roughly one round lower than current year value) in the supplementary draft. Jones was a 4th rounder as well.
Pryor is an athletic project that will never amount to squat as an NFL QB, but might have an outside chance at learning a position that utilizes his rare size/speed combination. Jones is best suited as a change of pace/3rd down back type, that as best is a great complement to a stud every down back.
Put another way, what is their relative value in trade? If Tebow, who at least has some NFL proof that he miraculously pulls wins out of his butt, only fetched a 4th rounder when there were multiple bidders, what is Pryor worth? Maybe a 6th? For Jones, when you look at the long list of more proven talent on the FA market, and similar types of runners (Moore, Ward) I don’t see him fetching more than 4th, if not lower.
None of this is to say that I don’t want them to succeed, but we have to be a bit realistic here.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
Maybe we should go after Ronnie Brown. I dont know how he did last year because I avoided watching eagle games last year! But I remember he was a baller in Miami. He is a Free-agent now. The Raiders have 4 more holes to fill. We need a starting OLB, a pass rushing DE/OLB, a backup QB, & backup RB/ Short yardage specialist. It would be good to get one more CB that can compete for a starting spot.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
Raiderjhawk Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Matt Forte @MattForte22 Reply Retweeted Retweet
There’s only so many times a man that has done everything he’s been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last….
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Looks like Forte isn’t real happy about the signing?
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It’s all good Forte…come sign with us!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
come to the darkside Forte!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
Bush’s addition also gives the Bears significant leverage in contract talks with unsigned franchise player Matt Forte. Even if Forte threatens a holdout, the Bears can sit comfortably with a starting-caliber back under contract!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
John David Booty Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:06 am
I think people let Bush’s size confuse them into thinking he is a “power” back. Hes not. Never was. He is a finesse back. DMAC is more of a “power” back than Bush has ever been. DMAC hits the hole and defenders the way Bush should. But Bush only put on the extra weight after breaking his leg. He was always a dancing, wait for the hole type of RB, even at Louisville. Go back and watch. Now, hes big enough that if he is taking on someone smaller than him, he will be able to run them over, but every Raider fan here knows Bush has never been a bruiser. Ever. We can find another RB in the draft, that wont cost close to what Bush got.
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Good Stuff….agree…..this is all we need to know about Bush
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
@Silver #183 – maybe he scurried off to a Bears blog…his crap was so over the top, some of us always wondered if he was related to soup.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
raiderjhawk Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Matt Forte @MattForte22 Reply Retweeted Retweet
There’s only so many times a man that has done everything he’s been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last….
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Looks like Forte isn’t real happy about the signing?
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He is pizzed. He retweeted someone saying that’s 3 years in a row they’ve signed big money backups and not paid Forte. This could get fun.
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Big time DMAC fan here, but I would love to have the most complete, underrated back in the league wearing the silver and black.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Forte = stud
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Careful what you say on this blog … Warren Sapp-ass might accuse you of being a “snitch”!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
starting caliber?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
damn it hasnt been but a few hours and i allready miss having Bush !!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Can TP return punts?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
@PA
thats true – the zbs is VERY rb friendly!!
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Exactly. Look how many mediocre RBs Shanarat made into 1000 yard rushers!
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Well, sort of. The ZBS doesn’t automatically make an average RB a stud. What it does do is allow RBs that aren’t necessarily great fits in other systems to use different skills. When those skills are a good fit for the ZBS, success! Arian Foster may be the world’s greatest example of this. Undrafted based on his lack of traditional skills, but in a ZBS with excellent OL execution, the guy is a world beater.
The main skills needed for the ZBS are patience, ability to quickly read the emerging holes, and then the burst to get through them quickly. Bush has the first two but lacks the burst that can turn a 3 yard gain into 40. DMac is learning the patience part, but over time, could be one of the greats with his burst, breakaway speed and his desire to stick his hat into the first defender.
For me, the biggest asset is Reggie’s ability to detect and value this special skill set, given that GB has run the ZBS for years. If he can find those Foster type RBs off of the discard pile, then we could might be somewhat surprised by who emerges as the backup to DMac in camp. It could very well be some low round pick or even a undrafted FA signing.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
We won’t miss Bush, plus imagine if he was the only back we had under contract going into the season… how worried would you be? I’d be worried as all get out, he’s a complimentary back. No more no less.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Tatum Bell
All these no name Donkeys rushed for over a 1,000 yds in a season in that zone blocking.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Taiwan and Pryor do have all-pro potential.
Taiwan has acceleration, speed, moves, and quickness.
Pryor was the best college prospect in the nation, he dominated the big ten, if not for off the field minor issues (only with ncaa, NFL non issue) he would have been a First round draft choice this year.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
So campbell and bush wanted be starters yet they sign as backups elsewhere
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
Raiders vs Eagles SB on NFLN.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Soooo Long Michael Bush….Hate to see you go…. I was never more impressed with him than I was in that SD game a couple years back at the coliseum. JC handed off to Bush for most the second half and he grinded out 4-5 yards a carry and just hammered the Chargers defense. I remember sitting there thinking just keep feeding the Bush…. It was his best game as a pro…. No question….
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Hate to see Bush go. But, football is a business. good Luck Mike Bush, much appreciated.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Saying DMAC is a power back is wrong, even when comparing him to M.Bush who is more of a soft hands back that glides rather than stomp (at 250lbs…wow)…DMAC is more of a slasher, power backs are guys like Zack Croket, Marion the Barberian, Marion Butts, Mike Alstott, you know the guys that bury their heads into the LOS.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Taiwan has All-Pro potential? where the hell are they serving that Kool-aid?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
Taiwan Jones has a total of 16 career carries. We know virtually noting about him. However the coaches do.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Saying DMAC is a power back is wrong, even when comparing him to M.Bush who is more of a soft hands back that glides rather than stomp (at 250lbs…wow)…DMAC is more of a slasher, power backs are guys like Zack Croket, Marion the Barberian, Marion Butts, Mike Alstott, you know the guys that bury their heads into the LOS.
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good ole Christian Okoye
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
12.MikieG Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Can’t blame him, plus I’ll be able to watch him more in person since Im smack in the middle of Illinois..
Welcome to the Heartland Mike!
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I used to work in Lasalle/Peru.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Tatum Bell
All these no name Donkeys rushed for over a 1,000 yds in a season in that zone blocking.
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Gaston Green? Did he do it too?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
MBush29 was a Raider…and he did his job well when called upon. He loved playing for the Raiders…but he did the best thing he could do at the time, for himself, and for his family.
Good luck to Michael Bush…a loyal teammate, a good man, and a Raiders fan!
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
I always remember Chester Taylor running pretty hard. I don’t know if he can block or if he has anything left, but he might be worth a look if he can come cheap.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Thought Bush was a pretty good back… Not great , but pretty good ..
Thought he liked Playing in Oakland but in the end it was about the Bucks , which is ok… Can’t knock a guy for being business minded …. Wish him luck and sucess ..
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Zymurge, 202
good post!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Thus endeth all “Trade McFadden” blather. Thankfully.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Living here in Spokane and being a student at EWU, I can say that Taiwan is a gifted runner. He has Chris Johnson type cuts and is just as fast if not faster. He does put the ball on the ground, but that can be corrected hopefully. I will say he is a hard worker. I had a African history class with him and he really applied himself to get past his learning disorder. He is no chump.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Taiwan has All-Pro potential? where the hell are they serving that Kool-aid?
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The same place where they tell you that a Wonderlic score of 7 is perfectly acceptable for an NFL QB as long he is big and fast.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
its a mistake to let him go…dmc and taiwan have not proven to be reliable.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
I hope Reggie has Plan B ready with the RB’s since DMAC will go out soon with another foot injury and Taiwan Jones is almost completely untested, then when he was tested looking too skinny, not good, then injured quickly.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Yeah, I looked at Taylor’s numbers. Nevermind.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
TaiJones does have All-Pro potential. He’s as athletic as any guy on the Team…he’s just not very big. And, the point’s been made more than once…he hasn’t seen the field enough for us to know squat about him. The scary part of that isn’t his lack of experience…it’s how he’s missed time already. He seems to be a nick & ding factory. We already have that in our #1 RB.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
The main skills needed for the ZBS are patience, ability to quickly read the emerging holes, and then the burst to get through them quickly. Bush has the first two but lacks the burst that can turn a 3 yard gain into 40. DMac is learning the patience part, but over time, could be one of the greats with his burst, breakaway speed and his desire to stick his hat into the first defender.
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Agreed.
The biggest problem I saw with McF his first two years was the combination of indecisiveness, and a too upright of running style, which led to too many ankle tackles.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:56 am
DMAC looks great against lower tier, non-championship calibre teams with losing records, while his performance against higher tier, championship calibre teams with winning records has been mediocre, at best.
Then there is the problem of serial foot injuries which severely limited his playing time.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Yep , DMac is running over tacklers now…. That wasn’t the case the first couple yrs …
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Every player on every NFL roster has All-Pro potential. Some, more than others. But to count on any of those players, particularly those not drafted as sure thing first round picks, to actually become All-Pro is definitely a case of putting all of your eggs in one basket.
Jones, based on statistics alone, has a slim chance of even becoming NFL starter caliber. This is based on the valuation of all 32 teams that determined he wasn’t worth even a 3rd round pick. Doesn’t make him any less quick. It just means that the assets he showed don’t project to All-Pro by those standards.
The point here is that Jones is not the safe answer as the backup RB unless he’s done some amazing things in last season’s camp that the new crew is privy to. I’d be shocked if Reggie doesn’t go out and get a more clear cut 2nd string RB to replace Bush and then let Jones try to beat him out in camp for that role.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Tatum Bell
All these no name Donkeys rushed for over a 1,000 yds in a season in that zone blocking.
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Gaston Green? Did he do it too?
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Don’t recall seeing that dudes name. He may of shred carries w/ someone and still rush for 600-700 yds.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
The Raiders are going to have to sign a power back. Or Dmac will be worn down by mid-season.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Gdog Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Thus endeth all “Trade McFadden” blather. Thankfully.
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Well, it doesn’t have to end…
Just for kicks (and Dakota):
Trade DMC straight-up for Forte, then pay the man (Chicago doesn’t want to pay him, and we’re going to face the same kind of contract dilemma with DMC in a year).
Then, find the backup to the best all-around RB in the NFL since Marcus Allen.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
What about that Fresno RB Lonyae Miller? 6′0 230# Can he be the bruiser back to replace Bush?
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Then, find the backup to the best all-around RB in the NFL since Marcus Allen.
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DMAC is better all-around than Marshall Faulk?… LOL, Koolaid season is the best!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
ups…Forte is better all-around than Marshall Faulk?…
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Gdog Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
The main skills needed for the ZBS are patience, ability to quickly read the emerging holes, and then the burst to get through them quickly. Bush has the first two but lacks the burst that can turn a 3 yard gain into 40. DMac is learning the patience part, but over time, could be one of the greats with his burst, breakaway speed and his desire to stick his hat into the first defender.
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Agreed.
The biggest problem I saw with McF his first two years was the combination of indecisiveness, and a too upright of running style, which led to too many ankle tackles.
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Agreed on your agreement
Look at college tape on DMac. He was running through holes the size of elephants. Didn’t take much of a read of tough decisionn; just run through the hole as fast as you can and then outrun the slower college DBs. The NFL was probably quite a surprise for him to find that the holes were tiny and that even the LBs had closing speed if you give them half a chance.
Under Hue, he learned how to run after contact. This was the one thing I thought he’d never do, and it’s the one reason why he moved to elite back status. At the same time, this new hard nosed style might not be a great fit for his body type, and contributes to his injuries. I think he needs to learn to be a little more selective around when to run through a defender and when to juke around them.
The reading holes is something that experience helps with. He’s making clear strides each season here. He’s clearly a pretty smart guy if you hear him interviewed, so he’s got the mental faculties to continue to improve in this area.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Olandis Gary
Mike Anderson
Rueben Droughns
Tatum Bell
All these no name Donkeys rushed for over a 1,000 yds in a season in that zone blocking.
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Gaston Green? Did he do it too?
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Sammie smith?
Bobby Humphry?
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
sorry bush is gone Hairy, might have to cut you too !!
or maybe just a trim !!! lol lol lol lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC = Stud
Can’t believe there’s so many DMAC haters.
It’s one thing to criticize him for being injured prone, but to say he isn’t one of the top backs in the league is ridiculous.
DMAC has home run threat to take it to the house at any moment.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
mary mary quite contray… trim that bush its too hairy lol lol lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
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cool.
I just got hold of an Atari w/ some ol’ school games. (made need to replace the controllers, though)
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
where’s the public outcry?
just sayin…
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
The Associated Press reports the Jets are now trying to trade QB Drew Stanton after acquiring Tim Tebow from the Broncos.
Stanton just a signed a reasonable one-year, $1.25 million deal. The Jets have to hope that a team in need of a quality backup, such as the Rams, Raiders or Packers prefers Stanton to the mediocre veteran options still available. The best they can hope for is a late-round pick.
Source: Larry Lage on Twitter
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
sorry bush is gone Hairy, might have to cut you too !!
or maybe just a trim !!! lol lol lol lol
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I may have to start a poll as to what my new screen name will be!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
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cool.
I just got hold of an Atari w/ some ol’ school games. (made need to replace the controllers, though)
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Yeah I’m rockin the Atari too!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
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cool.
I just got hold of an Atari w/ some ol’ school games. (made need to replace the controllers, though)
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Yeah I’m rockin the Atari too!
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Any extra controllers????? (the one w/ the joystick)
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
It’s funny when you play some of the old school game systems like sega/nintendo etc; then play ps3 or xbox and it’s almost overwhelming.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Zymurge, always enjoy your posts but wanted to make a slight adjustment. Don’t think you can credit Huge for DMcF’s improvement entirely or maybe even mostly. DMAC trained with a group out of Scottsdale or somehwere in the Valley of the Scumbag, AZ that offseason and himself gave those guys a ton of credit for changing both his style and taking his conditioning to another level. Small point but since we are here debating whether to spend $8mil guaranteed on a BU RB or just find one cheaper somewhere else the minutia seemed acceptable….
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
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cool.
I just got hold of an Atari w/ some ol’ school games. (made need to replace the controllers, though)
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Yeah I’m rockin the Atari too!
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Any extra controllers????? (the one w/ the joystick)
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I wouldn’t be surprised if I found a couple xtra hiding in the basement!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
sorry bush is gone Hairy, might have to cut you too !!
or maybe just a trim !!! lol lol lol lol
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I may have to start a poll as to what my new screen name will be!
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Bush Wackers????
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
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cool.
I just got hold of an Atari w/ some ol’ school games. (made need to replace the controllers, though)
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Yeah I’m rockin the Atari too!
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Any extra controllers????? (the one w/ the joystick)
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I wouldn’t be surprised if I found a couple xtra hiding in the basement!
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Hook your Raider brother up!
lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Forte’s as good as Faulk was.
Give Forte a QB like Kurt Warner and The Greatest Show On Turf, and he’d be All-World.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
DMAC they are now making a joystick controller with 8 of the old Atari games built into the controller itself. Plugs directly into the TV.
I prefer Techmo bowl myself. I had saved mine from college and dragged it around for decades but haven’t been able to find it anywhere….:-(
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Agree^^^^^^^^
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
241.DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC = Stud
Can’t believe there’s so many DMAC haters.
It’s one thing to criticize him for being injured prone, but to say he isn’t one of the top backs in the league is ridiculous.
DMAC has home run threat to take it to the house at any moment.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
DMAC may be a homerun threat at any moment, but that is against lower tier teams with underperforming defenses. I am not a hater, but simply a bearer of reality. Look at DMAC stats against very good teams: it’s nothing impressive at all.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
sorry bush is gone Hairy, might have to cut you too !!
or maybe just a trim !!! lol lol lol lol
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I may have to start a poll as to what my new screen name will be!
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Bush Wackers????
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I was more of a demolition/heartfoundation/Rockers/Powers of pain guy lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Idk, Forte’s good but he’s got a few more years to pile up crazy good numbers to get to Faulk. That dude had durability that is damn rare in the bigs…
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
JLofty Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
DMAC they are now making a joystick controller with 8 of the old Atari games built into the controller itself. Plugs directly into the TV.
I prefer Techmo bowl myself. I had saved mine from college and dragged it around for decades but haven’t been able to find it anywhere….:-(
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Cool. I know exactly what your talking about. My little son has the Mortal Kombat one.
lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider E, I live in Spokane as well, maybe we will run into each other at a sports bar,
As for those of you who lack the vision to see the potential, good thing you weren’t in the draft room when McKenzie or Brady’s names came up onthe draft board.
Hello, Vehldeer would probably be working for Warner at some retail establishment.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
HB: Powers of McPain?
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I made my garage into a mantown and I just hooked up original nintendo with super tecmo bowl! one of the best games ever!
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cool.
I just got hold of an Atari w/ some ol’ school games. (made need to replace the controllers, though)
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Yeah I’m rockin the Atari too!
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Any extra controllers????? (the one w/ the joystick)
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I wouldn’t be surprised if I found a couple xtra hiding in the basement!
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Hook your Raider brother up!
lol
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When the wife and I go thru the basement I will keep u in mind!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
JLofty Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
HB: Powers of McPain?
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now we are getting somewhere lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Hardline Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
241.DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC = Stud
Can’t believe there’s so many DMAC haters.
It’s one thing to criticize him for being injured prone, but to say he isn’t one of the top backs in the league is ridiculous.
DMAC has home run threat to take it to the house at any moment.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
DMAC may be a homerun threat at any moment, but that is against lower tier teams with underperforming defenses. I am not a hater, but simply a bearer of reality. Look at DMAC stats against very good teams: it’s nothing impressive at all.
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I don’t feel like looking up the info, but you remember the Jets game last year, where he literally won that game for us?
There’s plenty more.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Forte is not even the top ten alltime arguement Marshall Faulk is.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
JLofty Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
DMAC they are now making a joystick controller with 8 of the old Atari games built into the controller itself. Plugs directly into the TV.
I prefer Techmo bowl myself. I had saved mine from college and dragged it around for decades but haven’t been able to find it anywhere….:-(
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They even make an old school nintedo that also plays genesis games. The best thing about it is you load the cartridge in a different way as opposed to the original nintendo that would constantly mess up if it wasn’t wedged in just right. Remember blowing on the cartridges? lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Remember blowing on the cartridges? lol
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That and using that Q-tip w/ alcohol.
lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DMAC, Idk if there are that many McFadden haters here. DMcF is like that fine @ss girlfriend who alternates breaking up with you and F’in your brains out. You want to love her but shes not always there when you need/want her.
If McFadden would play 16 games+ for the Raiders he would be the most beloved Raider since TimmyB. He’s crazy good, hits like a truck, races to endzone like a Ferrari. But dude is kinda frail, no?
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Remember blowing on the cartridges? lol
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lol lol lol and why that would make them work is beyond me. a littl air and a little spit and the damn things would work !! lol lol
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
JLofty Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DMAC, Idk if there are that many McFadden haters here. DMcF is like that fine @ss girlfriend who alternates breaking up with you and F’in your brains out. You want to love her but shes not always there when you need/want her.
If McFadden would play 16 games+ for the Raiders he would be the most beloved Raider since TimmyB. He’s crazy good, hits like a truck, races to endzone like a Ferrari. But dude is kinda frail, no?
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Nice way to put it.
Yeah, a little frail. Let’s hope he can at least give us at least 13 games this season.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
our new trainer has his work cut out for him !!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
All you fkn McFadden haters can go to H-E-double hockey sticks!
Suck it!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
DMAC is clearly our best weapon on offense WHEN healthy. If you think, otherwise I suggest you put the crack pipe down.
Let’s just hope he plays more games this season.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
It’s been nice chatting.
Gotta run.
Ya’ll be safe.
Peace!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
There are some guys that play the game and know about the league. And there are some that just play and don’t know crap else. Matt Forte seems to be the Latter.
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“There’s only so many times a man that has done everything he’s been asked to do can be disrespected!” read a post on Forte’s Twitter account. “Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last …”
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No worries Matt. You will feel much better on the first day of contact drills, during your first water break.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Top Ten RBs:
Sanders, Brown, Payton take your pick who is number one;
Number 4 is Emmitt;
5th – 10th (note Bo should be on this)
Marcus, Sayers, Dorsett, Simpson, Faulk, Thomas, Craig, Dickerson,
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Great work RegMac!
You’re letting the good players walk away, and keeping and resigning the trash, and bringing either players with past injuries or more trash. Way to go, Reg.
Someone wake this dude up.
None of the RB available are as tough as Michael Bush, chalk up another huge mistake.
It looks like RegMac does not intend on competing.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
DMAC,
Yes I remember the Jets game very well last year where DMAC had his best game ever @ 171 yds from scrimmage. However, as it turned out, the Jets tanked last season, had a horrendous defense, and were essentially in the cellar in the AFC east. At the end of last season the Jets were in complete disarray.
My point is DMAC performed fantastically against the Jets, who, last season were a lower tier team, non-playoff bound.
The following week after the Jets, DMAC gained 75 yds on the ground against the Patriots and the following week 51 yds against the Texans, which was average.
Again I like DMAC, I just need to see him play an entire season, with good and bad teams alike.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Lonyea Miller RB, 5′11″ 220
(now under Raider contract)
Fresno State: A special back who is coming off his best season … an explosive player who had two runs of 80 yards or more and another of 69 yards last season … an every down back with both power and speed …ranks 13th among active NCAA players for highest yards per carry average (5.58) in a career … has played in 32 games and scored 16 touchdowns in his career. (2008) Slowed by nagging injuries and missed the La Tech game but still managed to rush for more than 800 yards and averaged 6.8 yards per carry and 68th in the NCAA in rushing averaging… ranked fourth in the WAC … his 6.8 per carry average ranked third-best in the WAC … scored five touchdowns … had back-to-back games rushed for 161 yards and two touchdowns against Hawaii, including a 90-yard run, the second-longest run in the NCAA … he followed that with 181 yards and an 80-yard touchdown against Idaho … had just six carries but had 60 yards and a touchdown vs. Nevada … had 13 carries for 113 yards and two touchdowns, including a 69-yard run vs. Colorado State in the New Mexico Bowl … was clocked by Bulldog coaches at a 3.97 flying 40-yard dash in a game. (2007) Started eight games and played in 10 … was third on the team with 609 yards and averaged 4.6 yards per carry … ran for seven touchdowns, second most on the team … had a 72-yard touchdown run, longest rush by a Bulldog during the season … had two receptions for 23 yards. (2006) Played in 10 games, primarily as the No. 2 option behind Dwayne Wright … averaged 5.3 yards per carry and was the second leading rusher on the team with 287 yards … scored two touchdowns … led the team against Hawaii with 16 carries for 113 yards and a touchdown … had nine carries for 56 yards and a touchdown in a win over Idaho.
This may be our MBush replacement.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I’ll take Lonyea Miller over Bush. Hell I’ll even take Barney Miller.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
246.HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
sorry bush is gone Hairy, might have to cut you too !!
or maybe just a trim !!! lol lol lol lol
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I may have to start a poll as to what my new screen name will be!
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I vote for “OutoftheBush”
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
JB, 280
If this guy Miller is under contract with the Raiders, then where has he been ?
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
LT2, Franco, and Terrell are on the list as well, but I can’t put them on there as a Raider, “can’t do it.”
Even AP, CJ, Little, Daniels, Riggins, and Csonka are better than Forte,
In fact Forte goes in the Chuck Foreman category.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Forte is even better than LT used to be — and HE’s not even in my personal Top 10, alltime … however, Faulk is — no comparison!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
254.HayesDaze37 Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Forte’s as good as Faulk was.
Give Forte a QB like Kurt Warner and The Greatest Show On Turf, and he’d be All-World.
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Forte is NO Faulk. He is good but Faulk was da man!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Zopi
You don’t seem to have a clue. MBush was not all that tough. He can’t/won’t block, has no hitting power at the LOS & can’t get to the edge on a run (too slow). Quite frankly, he’s not going to be all that hard to replace. He’s a twinkle toes at the LOS when he should be a banger. I used to be a big MBush fan but after his last 5 games he’s been exposed as a very ordinary RB – at best!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Thanks for the breakdown on Lonyea Miller JB. I have high hopes he can take over Bush’s role.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Hardline Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
JB, 280
If this guy Miller is under contract with the Raiders, then where has he been ?
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He was signed on January 3, 2012
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Trade the quitter DMAC for Matt Fortet!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Miller like about nine to a dozen or so, are simply practice squad/futures contract signings.
Less than league minimum even, if they don’t make the 53 man roster.
They are Sterling Moore wannabees, could be the next Reece, Bryant, or Foster though.
They get weekly check and the leftovers at the mess hall at It’s a.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Saw the GM in the background at the Stanford pro-day. Reg is putting in work!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
I wish Luck was in the 2007 draft….
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Rankins always played great in preseason but never made the roster.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Bush & Cartwright gone, Miller &__________<(insert UDFA)added.
LOL @ the Jets wanting to trade Drew Stanton after signing him just a few days ago! When they cut him next week Reggie should pick him up. Anybody that gives up a baseball career to play QB in the NFL has to be good, right?!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Hardline Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
JB, 280
If this guy Miller is under contract with the Raiders, then where has he been ?
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He was signed on January 3, 2012
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We just sign a RB with no reakin announcement???
Lets be real fellas he must be a scrub!
We need to go get Cedric Benson to run off tackle.
We can’t rely DMAC and Taiwan. They are to brittle in the legs.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Zopi Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Great work RegMac!
You’re letting the good players walk away, and keeping and resigning the trash, and bringing either players with past injuries or more trash. Way to go, Reg.
Someone wake this dude up.
None of the RB available are as tough as Michael Bush, chalk up another huge mistake.
It looks like RegMac does not intend on competing.
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Can the guy finish an offseason first before he gets trashed? Bush is making waaaay too much money to be a slow, marginal blocking fill in for DMAC
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
293.Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
I wish Luck was in the 2007 draft….
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I wish Russell wasn’t in the 2007 draft.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I see shannyrat at the Luck pro day.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I forgot we had Taiwan too…
DMAC
Taiwan
L.Miller
Looks like we need to add a vet just in case, at least for camp to see what we have with the other guys.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Whats funny is Bush and DMAC run the same way. Both hit the hole…no shake. DMAC hits it faster and harder. Only advantage Bush had was when he had steam, the next level had a hard time getting him down (you could even debate that. DMAC’s stiff arm is probably the best in the league)
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Saladfingerz Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
where’s the public outcry?
just sayin…
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station
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Horrible. Outrageous. They will be prosecuted for a hate crime. I guess it does go both ways.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Trade Boo Chimpbeckler, for Dmac’s water bottle.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Saladfingerz Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
where’s the public outcry?
just sayin…
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station
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Nothing but bad news everywhere. Fked up world.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Trade the quitter DMAC for Matt Fortet!
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New year. New coach. Suspicious ending but I let it go
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Man fellas you have to admit this is a weak year for us in free agency and the draft. No thrills what so ever.
Dang Dog Nuts!!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
305.ElkGRaider Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Trade the quitter DMAC for Matt Fortet!
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New year. New coach. Suspicious ending but I let it go
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Suspicious ending? Lisfranc injury….Ford said it was WAY worse than his own, which cost Ford a bunch of games….potential career ending injury if not properly taken care of….franchise that chose to sit on the true extent of the injury in order to keep ticket sales up, leaving the player to get heat week in and week out, instead of just admitting the severity of the injury….as the Texans did with Schaub.
Pretty clear what happened.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Mercel Reese next man!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
potential career ending injury if not properly taken care of….franchise that chose to sit on the true extent of the injury in order to keep ticket sales up, leaving the player to get heat week in and week out, instead of just admitting the severity of the injury….as the Texans did with Schaub.
Pretty clear what happened.
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Never thought of it that way, probably true.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
L.miller might work out, he was a nice back in college.. He’s a slasher with breakaway speed.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
That’s drinking a bit too much silver and black koolaid. Neither have MASSIVE potential
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Zymurge have been placed on the Pryor & TJones “hater” lists
poopoo head
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Suspicious ending? Lisfranc injury….Ford said it was WAY worse than his own, which cost Ford a bunch of games….potential career ending injury if not properly taken care of….franchise that chose to sit on the true extent of the injury in order to keep ticket sales up, leaving the player to get heat week in and week out, instead of just admitting the severity of the injury….as the Texans did with Schaub.
Pretty clear what happened.
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Really? You don’t think it is a case of gross incompetence by the Raiders’ Medical staff? Remember they told Nick Miller he had shin splints when he broke his shin.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
312.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Suspicious ending? Lisfranc injury….Ford said it was WAY worse than his own, which cost Ford a bunch of games….potential career ending injury if not properly taken care of….franchise that chose to sit on the true extent of the injury in order to keep ticket sales up, leaving the player to get heat week in and week out, instead of just admitting the severity of the injury….as the Texans did with Schaub.
Pretty clear what happened.
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Really? You don’t think it is a case of gross incompetence by the Raiders’ Medical staff? Remember they told Nick Miller he had shin splints when he broke his shin.
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That certainly could be part of it as well. Any medical staff that cleared J. Walker and Ben Troupe to sign deals should be considered incompetent.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
The O this season may be worse than last season. If dmac goes down season over. To much weight in the offense is put on him. Even more now with mr run happy Knapp. You guys will wish we still had Bush. Thats why this knapp thing is such a buzzkill. Would rather of had a pass happy OC come in and put the O on the arm of the QB like most playoff and super bowl teams. Its a pass happy league.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
314.RaidO Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
The O this season may be worse than last season. If dmac goes down season over. To much weight in the offense is put on him. Even more now with mr run happy Knapp. You guys will wish we still had Bush. Thats why this knapp thing is such a buzzkill. Would rather of had a pass happy OC come in and put the O on the arm of the QB like most playoff and super bowl teams. Its a pass happy league.
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Lot of guys can get us 3.5 yards per carry like Bush did last year…..and some of them can maybe get a tough 3rd and 2 as well.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
This blog always freaks out when we lose one of our own, but in reality, how many of the players that we lose go on to kick azz in other places?
Recently, I can think of only 2….Randy Moss….and that was just a weird situation….and C. Woodson.
Nnamdi might get there too, but not as of yet.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
raidO, ive been saying this since knapp got hired….how do they expect palmer to roll out? crazy….dmc had his worst seasons in zbs…bush excelled in those. i dont like it..
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Running backs dont matter in this league. Who were the RB’s in the SB?
the law firm
Brandon Jacobs
I mean,we are not in the position to have paid Bush that type of jack anyways. We still need a mean ass LB, a NT, another Tackle.
Our offense will be Better because of Carson and his time with the offense. Even if Dmac goes down, as long as our O line is sold, it’s a running back by committee league anyways.
Carson will be better, the defense will be better. That is ALL that matters!
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Knapp.
He is the one move this offseason that has me concerned. i know Reggie said he would let Allen select his own staff….but really? Knapp?
fk me
Only real bummer of the offseason thus far.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
If McFadden would play 16 games+ for the Raiders he would be the most beloved Raider since TimmyB. He’s crazy good, hits like a truck, races to endzone like a Ferrari. But dude is kinda frail, no?
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He’s not what I would call frail. The injuries he’s had are pretty typical for every down backs. But what he is not is a fast healer. If anything, he’s a very slow healer. What most guys come back from after missing a game, it seems to take DMac either several games or a whole offseason to fully recover.
I don’t know if that’s genes, low tolerance to pain, lack of mental toughness, or just advice from his agent to not take risks this early in his career. It’s probably some combo.
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@JLofy : 250 — thanks for the info. I didn’t know about that secret Az camp that DMac credits for his improvements. But I’m damn glad he found it!
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Offensive coordinators are ONLY as good as their players. Ar we really going to judge Knapp based on his time in Oakland??
This will be the best offense and QB has ever worked with.
Carson, the O-Line, and the WR’s are the strength of this team, period.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
The O this season may be worse than last season. If dmac goes down season over. To much weight in the offense is put on him. Even more now with mr run happy Knapp. You guys will wish we still had Bush. Thats why this knapp thing is such a buzzkill. Would rather of had a pass happy OC come in and put the O on the arm of the QB like most playoff and super bowl teams. Its a pass happy league.
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Bear in mind that the offense last season was designed for check-down Campbell. It was built for a strong running game (somewhat tailored to DMac’s strenghts) and a game manager under center. When Palmer came in DMac went down in the mid-season, it was way too late to do anything more than tweak it around a QB with a superior passing ability and more of a move the chains running attack than a constant homerun threat.
Who’s to say that Knapp doesn’t build something similar to Houston’s offense that was a top 5 or 6 passing attack when Schaub and Johnson were healthy? If he builds something around Palmer’s ability and the speedy young WRs, I think we’ll see more of a mid-range based passing attack, that mixes in long balls and a whole lot of running the ball to keep the defenses guessing.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
The Raiders can get a running back in the 6th or 7th round. That is one of the easiest positions to fill.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
320.Zymurge Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
If McFadden would play 16 games+ for the Raiders he would be the most beloved Raider since TimmyB. He’s crazy good, hits like a truck, races to endzone like a Ferrari. But dude is kinda frail, no?
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He’s not what I would call frail. The injuries he’s had are pretty typical for every down backs. But what he is not is a fast healer. If anything, he’s a very slow healer. What most guys come back from after missing a game, it seems to take DMac either several games or a whole offseason to fully recover.
I don’t know if that’s genes, low tolerance to pain, lack of mental toughness, or just advice from his agent to not take risks this early in his career. It’s probably some combo.
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Total BS. Turf toe is a lingering injury that takes forever to heal for anyone. And if you are not familiar with what a Lisfranc injury is, then I suggest you look into it before making claims like this.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
If Im not mistaken Matt Forte has had his history of injuries as well. Definitely not as much as DMC but Bush should get some run.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
McFadden had his career high game his 2nd game of his rookie year, under the ZBS, and in 2010 we had Cable still running the O-line, which was also McFadden’s best season.
Remember, Hue was going to move towards a “power-blocking” O-line in 2011? That’s because we were running ZBS in 2010, when McFadden was at his best.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I miss Big Al’s splashy, senseless free agent acquisitions. This moneyball is putting me to sleep.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
….how do they expect palmer to roll out?
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Do you people really think we are going to run a bunch of bootlegs with Palmer? Seriously?
When Knapp was the OC here, how many times did we see Andrew Walter or Jamarcus “roll out”? How much was Schaubb “rolling out” the last few years?
Palmer will be in the pocket, 98% of the time, like he should be.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
…The Bears and Forte have been publicly negotiating a potential long-term deal for more than a year. It’s now hard to see Forte getting the deal he wants. Forte hinted earlier this year that he might skip offseason activities if the Bears were to place the franchise tag on him, which they recently did. With Bush now in town, the Bears can afford to be patient.
Forte, unsurprisingly, isn’t happy.
This is going to get worse before it gets better. Forte and the Bears figure to be the ugliest player-team battle of this offseason, which is a shame because Forte has always been a team-first player.
Chicago’s handling of Forte may not be fair, but it’s good business. The Bears are essentially telling Forte that they are happy to pay him on a year-to-year basis. Forte can hold out all he wants this offseason, but he eventually has to show up to get paid.
The Bears could retain Forte again with a more expensive franchise tag next season. Entering the 2014 season, Forte will be 28 years old and have a lot of mileage on his legs.
This is the state of running backs in the NFL. Teams don’t want to pay them big money, and they can get away with avoiding it.
Forte has to decide whether he’s willing to operate on a year-to-year basis or take a long-term deal that he would likely believe to be below market value. By signing Bush, the Bears have limited Forte’s options.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827c9c5b/article/forte-upset-with-bears-after-michael-bush-signing?module=HP11_headline_stack
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Raiders finally updated their roster format.
Reggie separated the UFAs from the active roster.
Raiders have 55 players on the active roster, these INCLUDE the franchised Branch, exclusive rights Reece, Bryant, and Brodine as well as the practice squad/futures contract signings.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Our offense will be run,run,run………
Playaction!
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Between his recovery from a knee strain in 2009 and his Lisfranc injury in 2011, McFadden played in 28 games out of a possible 31 games.
Who’s to say he won’t have another stretch like that?
That was nearly 2 seasons of playing time without a significant amount of time missed.
But I agree that we need an insurance policy.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
W/ some no huddle.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
McFadden had his career high game his 2nd game of his rookie year, under the ZBS, and in 2010 we had Cable still running the O-line, which was also McFadden’s best season.
Remember, Hue was going to move towards a “power-blocking” O-line in 2011? That’s because we were running ZBS in 2010, when McFadden was at his best.
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Vegas always gets A+ for conviction, but in this case, a C- for information.
We ran a mix in 2010 as well. And in 2011, when more power was being used, McFadden had the best start of his career.
You’ll also recall in 2010 he was completely shut down in a few games, including Miami and Pittsburgh.
In summation, we shouldn’t dump one style for the other.
I’ve seen McFadden explode in both (check out his 2nd career game in KC and the 2010 Denver game).
Point is, McFadden’s a good runner. Wouldn’t get too hung up on system. His injuries are his biggest obstacle.
Plus, the Raider that was best suited for pure ZBS actually just signed with the Bears.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Do you people really think we are going to run a bunch of bootlegs with Palmer? Seriously?
When Knapp was the OC here, how many times did we see Andrew Walter or Jamarcus “roll out”? How much was Schaubb “rolling out” the last few years?
Palmer will be in the pocket, 98% of the time, like he should be.
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co-sign
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
She or power it still comes down to blocking the dl and lbs.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Again with this Moneyball thing.
We have the highest paid DT, K, P, Safety in the league, and one of the highest paid RB, QB, LG (new guy) and MLB in the league.
There is nothing Moneyball about this team. We have overpaid guys, not underpaid ones.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
McFadden, last year with Jason Campbell as the QB….5.4 yards per carry.
Yeah, I think Reggie will see what McFadden can do now that we have a QB who can actually scare a defense.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Again with this Moneyball thing.
We have the highest paid DT, K, P, Safety in the league, and one of the highest paid RB, QB, LG (new guy) and MLB in the league.
There is nothing Moneyball about this team. We have overpaid guys, not underpaid ones.
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Where the FK are they getting this moneyball BS from?
Reggie had to get fix some of those dumb ass contacts.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
LA,
All I am saying is that you get people who think McFadden ONLY excelled when we ran power-blocking and ONLY failed when we were in ZBS.
Completely not true.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
They’ll tailor the offense around their playmakers. Staff knows there’s a commitment to Palmer for at least this year and next and they have up-and-coming speedsters in Ford and Moore and a potential possession receiver in DHB to move chains and make tough catches within windows inside zones.
In terms of RBs and running style, they have one of the best in the business and the style they will employ makes it such that they can plug in another guy that doesn’t have to be a superstar if DMC gets injured or needs a breather.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Robert Turbin (Utah) in the 5th round or Darell Scott (SFU)…
There’s your answer to “three yards and a cloud of dust”.
Moreover, if we are going WCO, running backs may see a dramitc increase in the passing game and a drop in rushing attempts.
just saying…
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Zymurge Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
If McFadden would play 16 games+ for the Raiders he would be the most beloved Raider since TimmyB. He’s crazy good, hits like a truck, races to endzone like a Ferrari. But dude is kinda frail, no?
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He’s not what I would call frail. The injuries he’s had are pretty typical for every down backs. But what he is not is a fast healer. If anything, he’s a very slow healer. What most guys come back from after missing a game, it seems to take DMac either several games or a whole offseason to fully recover.
I don’t know if that’s genes, low tolerance to pain, lack of mental toughness, or just advice from his agent to not take risks this early in his career. It’s probably some combo.
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The one important thing you missed is that all of his injuries have not been repeat injuries to the same part of his body. That’s a good thing in that he doesn’t have a weak link to his frame. Most of his injuries have been associated with 110% effort on his part while anding out some pain to the opponents. I’d feel worse about his injuries if it was always the same thing (i.e. a toe, a foot, a shoulder, etc.). I don’t think he’s as frail as some others on here think. Hopefully he’s been learning how to deal out some punishment without hurting himself. He should be 100% healthy for this new season. A healthy DMac is a dangerous DMac and now he’ll be even more dangerous because the O-line should be substantially better than last year.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
LA,
All I am saying is that you get people who think McFadden ONLY excelled when we ran power-blocking and ONLY failed when we were in ZBS.
Completely not true.
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Oh, absolutely. DMC failed when unhealthy. Bottom line. I know Hue called some plays for him he liked to run and it was pretty succesful. Don’t see any reason Knapp wouldn’t do the same.
People shouldn’t sweat the O, IMO. DMC will be fine if healthy, regardless of system.
Rather than trying to get all the guys on O to fit inside a little box, I think they’ll build the box around those guys, if that makes sense.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
McFadden needs to be utilized in goal line situations, and his pass catching ability MUST be taken advantage of with more screens and RB wheel routs.
I know he is a good blocker, but we have to find a way to use him in the passing game instead of wasting his talents on blocking.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Lowdown,
I think we will pass less actually.
Hue got way pass happy after DMC went down and Palmer came in.
The template for success should be the SD TNF game, IMO. Palmer makes smart plays and passes no more than 25-30 times per game, depending on circumstances maybe more, maybe less.
And for those of you saying we’re not going to miss Bush? We will. We’ll move on and maybe plug in a guy who can pick up the slack, but we will miss Bush.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Not too many LBers or safeties in the NFL can match up on McFadden on a wheel rout….just sayin’….
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Isn’t our offense going to be a combined vision of Gregg Knapp’s and Al Saunders’?
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Route*
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Dakota, why McFadden hasn’t been used more at receiver, out of backfield and on the LOS, I have no Idea.
Vegas had Hue pegged early.
Definitely got our O over the hump. Respectable certainly and at times dangerous — downright deadly.
But huge lapses. Chucking it 40+ times with Carson? Going whole games without anything to Reece? Ignoring our TEs?
I don’t want the most explosive O in the league, I want the smartest.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
351.LA to TheBay Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Dakota, why McFadden hasn’t been used more at receiver, out of backfield and on the LOS, I have no Idea.
Vegas had Hue pegged early.
Definitely got our O over the hump. Respectable certainly and at times dangerous — downright deadly.
But huge lapses. Chucking it 40+ times with Carson? Going whole games without anything to Reece? Ignoring our TEs?
I don’t want the most explosive O in the league, I want the smartest.
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I totally agree. Hue’s offense was a times explosive, and at other times left you scratching your head. I hope Knapp can do a better job and sustaining a consistently good offense. We shall see. I am not judging Knapp on his previous term here as he didn’t really get much of a chance to call plays….and he didn’t call plays in Houston….so you have to look at his Falcons days, and that is even an unknown because he had Vick at QB, which changes the way any OC would call a game.
Just not an exciting hire by any stretch of the imagination….hope he can handle it.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
LA,
I’d prefer your run attack formula any day. Have no clue what Hue was doing in those games.
We will miss Bush. No doubt, dude was a smooth rumbling beast.
Before Bush, the less than dominant LaMont Jordan and Dominic Rhodes were stinkin up the joint.
It’d be a longshot to simply say we can “plug & play” the next player and expect him to perform at the same level.
Make no mistake though, we will plug and play the next man up.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
15.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
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Hightop Hightower is the only FA backup RB I would want out of this group. Maaaaaaybe Ryan Grant also.
Otherwise, look for Chubby McK to draft Terrance Ganaway from Baylor in Round 5 possibly.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Regardless….we need a backup RB now and a good one that can be a spot starter if need be.
T Jones isn’t ready to carry that load yet….
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
….and I hope Al Saunders can hand Knapp a playbook with some plays marked down from the Hue time that worked, and that Knapp takes advantage of Saunders’ knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the current roster.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
*****************BREAKING NEWS************************
Reports are coming in that the Raiders have traded Darren McFadden to the Packers for their 1st round pick and a 5th round pick!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, early reports are surfacing that the Raiders have signed former packer RB Ryan Grant and have also added RB Brandon Jacobs.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
it is moneyball when you dont spend and try to fill the roster with never have beens and couldnt be’s ….
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Damn!!!! I woulda like to have seen a Bush/Mac backfield. The more ground we got, the better air CP3 will have. Damn, not good. Not good at all.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
We’re just dumpin players left and right and left. If DMAC goes, then thats it. Might as well dump our best player, Denarius Moore. Cause we ain’t gonna have a good ground game to compiment the air game. All predictable air game gets you nowhere. Gotta have the ground. We ain’t got it. F oh dear.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Welcome in the era of ReggieBall, just like BillyBall.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Sh!t oh dear, WTF. Damn sh!t makes no sense. We’re effed. We’ll have a team of scrubs before nightfall.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
it sucks that everyone in the west is getting better and the raiders are signing crap
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
October 23, 2011.
On this day I had the experience of my life by attending my First Raiders game in Oakland. I’ve been to several on the road. But anyway, here is my lasting memory of Bush:
1st and goal from the 3 and we ran Bush three times out of 4 and we turned it over on downs. 3rd and 4th downs were from the 1. Nuff Said. With a big fat Priest, Period!
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Why would you give up a proven if DMAC goes to the Pats for a effin unknown? We’re entering the twilight zone again, or did we really ever leave…… Piss or dear, I know I’m pickin fly sh!t outta pepper here, but this ain’t good. We were just a tweak away from the playoffs, and all that tweak needed was a DC. WTF oh dear.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I love it that some Raider fans are freaking out over the new approach. As if the last two decades of throwing boatloads of cash at any guy who even remotely resembled a football player worked out for them.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
We’ve made big splashes damn near every year in free agency for the last 10 years and look where it got us. So I really like the way this offseason is going.
Like Tommy Kelly said when asked if he played fantasy football: “I play real football.”
So this Reggie and DA era ain’t fantasy football. It’s real football.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
it sucks that everyone in the west is getting better and the raiders are signing crap
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The cheap, the scrubs and the leftovers.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I see that many in the Nation are in panic mode. Run sheeple, run!
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
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Re Wisniewski, McKenzie said he’s moving to center (w/ Carlisle @ LG, Brisiel @ RG) but that could change if they find C they can’t pass up
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
15.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
FA RB’s
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
LaDainian Tomlinson
Jackie Battle
Ronnie Brown
Justin Forsett
Earnest Graham
Tim Hightower
Thomas Jones
Mewelde Moore
Maurice Morris
Chester Taylor
Derrick Ward
Carnell Williams
^^^^^^^^
Hightop Hightower is the only FA backup RB I would want out of this group. Maaaaaaybe Ryan Grant also.
Otherwise, look for Chubby McK to draft Terrance Ganaway from Baylor in Round 5 possibly.
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I’ll take a young Jackie Battle for the cheap.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
This is from Vittorio’s Tafur’s Twitter feed from today. He got to see McKenzie at Stanford’s pro day.
Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
Re Wisniewski, McKenzie said he’s moving to center (w/ Carlisle @ LG, Brisiel @ RG) but that could change if they find C they can’t pass up
Also, McKenzie said getting a backup QB now, just like adding a backup RB now, is “low priority”. He’s not worried about it
If they need more money, Reggie said they could always restructure/redo deals, mentioned Tyvon Branch
Ideally, it wouldn’t come to that and McKenzie would get a OLB in late free agency or in draft
McKenzie confident enough in his scouting abilities that he thinks he could find a potential starting LB in undrafted rookie after draft …
McKenzie: “I need to find a starting outside linebacker. Other than that, we could field a team and compete right now”
McKenzie also knew no shot at re-signing Mike Bush; he is very confident they can find another RB in late free agency or draft
McKenzie: “If we kept Wimbley we wouldn’t have been able to sign all the guys we did”
26m Vittorio Tafur Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
McKenzie said he really liked LB Kam Wimbley but knew right off the Raiders couldn’t afford to keep him …
28m Vittorio Tafur Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
McKenzie: “We solidified our offensive line and cornerback situation.” When 49ers waived CB Spencer, Raiders knew they wanted him
GM Reggie McKenzie said #Raiders have “less” than $4 mil in cap space, and pleased with how offseason has gone thus far
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
I seem to be the only Raider fan to think that Bush got a bum deal, and if that is what it was going to take to re sign him the Raiders should have pulled the trigger. Yeah he is 29, but 3.5 mill a year for a player who is capable of running for 1,200+ yards, 10 + Tds a season is a bargain. I think we F$%^KD up letting him walk. Hell a lot of us were thinking the Franchise was the way to go with him this of season.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
at 369
fans are in panic mode because Darren McFadden is now a Green Bay Packer… (see post 357)
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I love it that some Raider fans are freaking out over the new approach. As if the last two decades of throwing boatloads of cash at any guy who even remotely resembled a football player worked out for them.
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Yeah, real head scratcher.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Dakota.. was it you who had the “Rue the Day” DMAC list?. it would be interesting to see again.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
We still need a pass rusher and some LB’s.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
373.R41D8R41IF3 Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
I seem to be the only Raider fan to think that Bush got a bum deal, and if that is what it was going to take to re sign him the Raiders should have pulled the trigger. Yeah he is 29, but 3.5 mill a year for a player who is capable of running for 1,200+ yards, 10 + Tds a season is a bargain. I think we F$%^KD up letting him walk. Hell a lot of us were thinking the Franchise was the way to go with him this of season.
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Nah it’s three of yall. You, Priest, and Silvernblackbleeder who actually bleeds red Louisville Cardinal blood.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Re-signing Bush, and having a true 2 back offense with split carries in order to keep both backs healthy was the way to go. Im going to miss Bush running over people.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Im going to miss Bush running over people.
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What???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
All these people in here on the regular are making up new screen names so they can come in here and freak the f out, that way if things work out okay they won’t catch any heat for acting a fool.
I for one like our approach this year, obviously throwing money at anyone with a name hasn’t worked for the last 10 yrs. I trust Reggie and his scouting abilities to put together a competitive team, it might take a year but I think we’ll be better in the long run.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Are you guys also going to miss CP getting sacked or getting hit and throwing an INT, because he (Bush) couldn’t block?
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
The PM crew is melting down.
Straight panic mode.
LMAO
Ya’ll be cool.
I’m gone.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
# DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Are you guys also going to miss CP getting sacked or getting hit and throwing an INT, because he (Bush) couldn’t block?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I see your point budy, lets get Taiwan in there to block and all of his 125 pounds.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Reggie’s Freckled Face: Challenging Beeecham/Capt Stubing for Ulitimate Witlessness and Biggest Waste of Time Posts.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
#384
LOL!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I love it that some Raider fans are freaking out over the new approach.
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Those aren’t Raider fans. They are SF Whiner + Dungver trolls who come here to demoralize the fan base.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
According to Reggie, we need a starting OLB, but this team is ready. He also said:
LG: Cooper C
C: Wiz
RG: Brisiel
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Reggie McKenzie to taunts from the Raider Nation, “I have not yet begun to fight.”
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
at 369
fans are in panic mode because Darren McFadden is now a Green Bay Packer… (see post 357)
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Shouldn’t there be a rule against trolls posting obviously false crapola just to get a rise out of people?
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@385
dont believe me about Darren Mcfadded being traded?
here’s the link
http://www.uptominutesports.com/darrenmcftopack/whenyomyyowda/ujustmaduwastedtimegoogling/frmraiders
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Look at the way the Packers have been built:
Donald Drive, their best receiver for the past 10 years: 7th rounder
Scott Wells: starting Center: 7th rounder
Aaron Rodgers: After thought. They didn’t want him, didn’t need him, but he was too good to pass up at that point.
Tramon Williams: starting corner, undrafted.
In fact AJ Hawk, one of their lst rounders has been one of the guys that has been the biggest disappointment.
Bottom line: Reggie McKenzie has done a very very good job of recognizing talent, especially in later rounds or not drafted at all. After the Randy Moss, Jivin’ Walker, Lamont Jordan, Kerry Collins, signings, GOOD, GO CHEAP!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Shouldn’t there be a rule against trolls posting obviously false crapola just to get a rise out of people?
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It would only be enforcible if the Mods were competent at their job and focused on having a quality product vs the max number of hits
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Every year it is the same thing, some teams throw big money at “sure things”.
Money can’t buy success. If it could AD would have won at least another Super Bowl or two.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
391. You’re a pathetic sack of f*kk U know that? GET A LIFE ALREADY!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
395. Oh I completely agree…
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Oops, meant 394. !
Go Raiders!~
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Pull strings and you’ll sing me a song, YOU’RE MY PUPPET!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Yes, let’s pass another law that forbids swindlers from lying to us.
The swindlers are the ones passing the laws.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Raider O,here are my mega millions # for fri,MAR 23RD,1,15,17,19,52,MEGA 12,Raiders!!!!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Hendu and O.. best of luck.. you never know..
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Lol…were finally having a sane offseason and some peckerheads are freakin …
Let’s wait and see how the product turnsout when finished …The Raiders haven’t played a game yet with the New front office in place and I’m sure they aren’t finished building the team ….and if your waiting for a blockbuster signing to happen … It not gonna happen ..relax
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
NFL network is reporting that the Raiders are working a deal to send Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Matt Shaugnessy to the Steeler in exchange for Mike Wallace and two 2nd round picks. WOW.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
ESPN is reporting that the Raiders have signed free agent RB Hightower to a 5yr $31,000,000 deal. $11.5 million garunteed.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I hope Carlisle can scoot to LG and Wiz gets better at C. He was pretty d@mn good at LG. Not a bad line especially if Barksdale can beat out Barnes at RT. Or Beast Campbell can push for a spot.
Which one of you guys was posting about Lonae Miller out of Fresno? Can the guy catch out of the backfield?
That may have been one of MBush’s best attributes was those soft hands and decepetive glide in the flat.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
IBA reports that RMR has combined the banality of Master Beeecham and the anti-Raider tirades of ChargedUp! into his latest sockpuppet creation; Reggies Freckled Face!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
JB, can Lonyae Miller catch?
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
#406
LOL!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Come on Plunk, sometimes Beech can be funny. Not often but sometimes…
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Can Reggie McKenzie find a good outside linebacker for cheap? Well, Robert Francois was undrafted and last year he started 2 games, had 2 int’s and a forced fumble. Yeah, I think he can find a guy or two.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
PlunkforHOF = Troll feeder
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
I wonder who has the most oddly shaped forehead, Reggie McKenzie? Or Jim Plunkett?
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Hey Plunk,thanks for the positive vibes,and post 385 is spot ON!I will look forward to Beech anyday over rff,period.Oh,and Plunk should be in the Hall of Fame,as well as Snake,IMO
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RMR takes delight in aggravating people. The lowest form of humanity.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
“…but Wiz2.0 was no good at Center…”
Gee, really??
What was the first clue?
No OTAs?
No Mini Camps?
Truncated camp?
Spending his limited time on the team @ LG while getting a crash course on the playbook?
Yeah, it’s all becuz Wiz2.0 sux at Center.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
here’s the link to all my “b.s.”
http://www.IhadYouGooglingThingsThatDidntHappenAndYourCryingAboutIt.com/FeedMeTroll
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
LBs please…
I guess 2013 is the year the Reggie MAc Raiders start to take shape we should have most of our own picks; with seymore and others finally gone we’ll have some cap space to make some more signings. Then we’ll start looking for stud DTs and LBs.
I’m kinda happy with the depth at CB now tho. Way better than last year. Probably upgrdaded talent wise on the whole.
Who knows maybe next year we’l be able to actually find a 1000 yard receiver?
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
YO
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
417…agree… Our Cb’s were a disaster last season…. Nice to see Reggie and Allen know it too..
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
fellas, fellas…gotta give it up for Reggie Mac. the temptation to go out and sign a blockbuster just to make a good first impression must huge. the man is stable, steady and has a plan…I like this, a lot!
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Seymour signed an extension so he may play at least a couple more years. Seymour played well last season. I would expect that to continue. We certainly need more depth on the Dline tho.
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
We may already have next yrs 1000 yrd recievers on the team right now…. Can’t wait to see what they do with camps and a full preseason.. Carson too..
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
All of the posts, in one post…
I think we should sign “so and so”
What is the Raiders thinking?!
What are we gonna do if “so and so” gets hurt? We need more depth!
We should trade “so and so” and get “so and so”
I dont care what happens, Raiders till I die!
We need to stop drafting guys that can run fast and start getting football players.
I agree with what our GM is doing.
I disagree with what our GM is doing.
Did you hear “so and so” signed with (insert team name here)
and finally,
*********BREAKING NEWS****************
the Raiders have just traded “so and so” to (insert team here) and will recieve (insert compensation package here)
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I’m gonna give Richard Seymour the Benefit of doubt… He played pretty good till he was injured ..
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
414. Sad life.
Just goes to show you Charger fans are the ones who are really f’ed up…
Have a gr8 day R8R N8tion!~
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Hey, DHB went for 975 yards with Jason Campbell and couch potato Palmer, lets see what he does with fully prepared Palmer… ooo yeah!
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
fingers Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I’m gonna give Richard Seymour the Benefit of doubt… He played pretty good till he was injured ..
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He also played well at the end. I watched the Detroit game a couple of days ago, and he was outstanding in that game. Not his fault the CB’s, LB’s and Safeties can’t cover anyone.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Code black
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
427…correct…our secondary killed us… Horrible… Couldn’t cover a pissant with a blanket
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Our secondary couldn’t cover or Tackle …
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Fingers Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Our secondary couldn’t cover or Tackle …
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Dont tell that to the stats inc people who had Routt and CJ pegged as the #2 and #5 CBs in the league…those stats inc dudes are full of zit!
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
I don’t know about seymore anymore, seemed like he gave up at times, or maybe let his emotions get the best of him. When he twisted that RBs facemask after he was already down…
I don’t mind having him on the team, I just don’t think he is worth 7.5 million guaranteed next year. Also I hope that the defense plays him sparingly until the final stretch, seemed like he broke-down toward the end of the season
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage, 426
DHB is going right down the toilet. It’s true he made receptions amounting to almost 1000 yds. However, he only scored 3 TD’s. He was an AD scholarship project and force fed the ball per AD’s explicit orders. Then when AD passed Ford and Moore went down, Hue cut Hagan, resulting in more force feeding of DHB. DHB dropped many balls in critical situations and afterwards sat smiling on the sidelines.
DHB can only catch the ball by trapping in his chest with his forearms. He lacks ability to position his body and leverage out opponent CB’s and also lacks body knowledge in order to consistently catch the long ball.
DHB will be overshadowed by Ford and Moore and most likely be released when his contract expires.
Also if you are wondering what real greatness is look at Jerry Rice who gained 1061 yds and 23 TD’s in his 3rd season. Compare those stats to DHB.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Macho Man,
DHB’s production will hinge on two things:
1) Does he win a starting spot with the new regime.
2) Does Knapp have the wherewithal and flexibility to dial up plays that accentuate DHB’s strengths as Hue did in 2011, or will he force the kid to fit the plays he wants to call.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Yeah right, a first and a fifth for McFadden? If only.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
You would think if DHB was being forcefed…
defenses smarter than you would see it to and shut him down.
Yet he continued to produce.
U r not bright.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Macho… Yep… To bad stats don’t tackle…. We saw it… It was what it was … That’s why all the Cb’s being signed ..
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Jerry article.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_20032380
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
We have such even and above-average talent at the WR position, we might have none of our WRs break 1,000 yards, yet Moore, DHB, and Ford might all have 700+, despite DMAC also racking up receiving yards by the boatloads.
It’s a talented offense.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I still get sick to my stomach watching that Detriot game…
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Also, McKenzie said getting a backup QB now, just like adding a backup RB now, is “low priority”. He’s not worried about it
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Seymour was a monster before he got hurt. He had I believe 5 sacks and was averaging 4.5 tackles per game through the first 5 games. Surreal numbers for a DT. Then, as you may remember, he basically couldn’t practice for awhile because he was too banged up.Production fell way off. Came back some the last couple of weeks.
If the guy stays healthy he’s still capable of great things.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Alex… Yep… We do have talent on O… I can’t with to see it working like it should… And not injured ..
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Alex7, 436
Of course DHB was force fed. He is a mediocre talent; why else would he get so many passes and only score 3 TD’s?
Common sense and logic can be used to intrepret the situation.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Wait to see it…
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Ugh, sorry for that way outdated link above. Mah bad!
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Nobody is arguing that he’s a super talent.
Force-fed is what the Raiders did to Jacoby Ford in the first Denver game, and the results were disasters.
Defenses roll coverages if you’re force-fed, and limit you unless you’re a superstar. If the Raiders were force-feeding DHB, and he STILL was open enough on down-the-field routes, he obviously is doing something well.
Star? No. Above-average? Yeah.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
434.Chris in NY Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Macho Man,
DHB’s production will hinge on two things:
1) Does he win a starting spot with the new regime.
2) Does Knapp have the wherewithal and flexibility to dial up plays that accentuate DHB’s strengths as Hue did in 2011, or will he force the kid to fit the plays he wants to call.
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Exactly. I would think this is where Saunders expertise and experience will be needed with him sitting upstairs in the coaches booth seeing where defenses can be attacked by certain plays, like he did last year.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Hey. DHB has improved every year. is he in Megatron and Andre Johnson´s league? hell no. but 1000 yds in this day and age?… last year 19 guys caught 1000 plus, DHB ranked 20th
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie confirmed that Stefen Wisniewski is slated for a move to center this season.
Veteran Cooper Carlisle is expected to move to left guard with newcomer Mike Brisiel slotting in at right guard. Wisniewski was rated by most analysts as the top center in last year’s draft; the transition should be smooth.
Related: Cooper Carlisle, Mike Brisiel
Source: Vittorio Tafur on Twitter
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So it looks like we’re done with the O-line…now let’s concentrate on our D!
Starting with our LB group and D-line!
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
377.DMAC Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
We still need a pass rusher and some LB’s.
^^^^^^^^^
We need a strong pyscial RDE who has the speed to get to the passer and hold the edge and at least 1 vet OLB and another potential diamond in the rough OLB in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft.
We also need a a legit NT.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Code black x
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Guys, I hear ya but still don’t feel ya…..
As much as DHB has been tutored he still lacks the skills to catch the ball with his hands. DHB can never be great until he can catch with his hands. I have never seen any receiver whose signature trait was trapping the ball on his chest, which is a taboo in the receiving world.
Unlike Cruz and Manningham in the last Superbowl, who made great catches of balls that were in essence thrown out of bounds, by great hand work, DHB will never do so by trapping the ball in his chest. Physically it’s impossible.
DHB does catch a lot of balls, but where are the TD’s?
Anyway, let’s just see how it shakes out this upcoming season. Reggie and Allen will distinguish the have’s from the have not’s, talent and performance wise, thanks to the absence of AD.
I will go with their judgment.
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
AlzadoX Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Scott Smith @XAMSports Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Avg ‘11 Starters: QB $8.81M, CB $4.77M, DT $4.43M, DE $4.16M, WR $3.96M, LB $3.86M, OL $3.46M, S $3.07M, RB $3.02M, TE $2.89M
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
LOOKS LIKE BUSH GOT ABOUT WHAT HE DESERVED IN $
he apparently was listening to beat reporters who kept saying he would be franchised at $7.7 million
March 22nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
see new posted article interview with Reggie Mac
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
L.miller might work out, he was a nice back in college.. He’s a slasher with breakaway speed.
JB Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Hardline Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
JB, 280
If this guy Miller is under contract with the Raiders, then where has he been ?
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He was signed on January 3, 2012
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he was on the practice squad late last year, then re-signed to “future” contract 1/3/12.
Same as other guys from practice squad they want to retain, as well as other free agent 1st year players (players with 0 games active roster in NFL, but not rookies coming out of college)
Marks’ Hair (see top) indicated in posts a few days ago that he’d actually watched Miller play quite a bit at Fresno State, so his opinion holds weight IMO. He did say that Miller, now 230, is heavier now than in college
the Marks’ Hair’s info and the “scouting report” in previous posts seemed consistent with each other and descriptive of a RB who should fit well with ZBS + gd TD total in college, maybe good goalline/short yardage runner . To bank on a reserve/future player to fill a spot at this time is premature, but allegedly the Raiders expect him to be very competive for a roster spot. I’m sure they’ll bring in more competition. Its only March. See new article posted, interview with Reggie Mac
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
We need a strong pyscial RDE who has the speed to get to the passer and hold the edge
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Matt Shaughnessy is no sprinter but he’s certainly fast enough to get to the QB and meets the rest of your description of need really well IMO
77= SHO NASTY = GETTING HIS BEAST ON FOR 2012
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
457.alzadoX Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
We need a strong pyscial RDE who has the speed to get to the passer and hold the edge
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Matt Shaughnessy is no sprinter but he’s certainly fast enough to get to the QB and meets the rest of your description of need really well IMO
77= SHO NASTY = GETTING HIS BEAST ON FOR 2012
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Sounds good to me. Just have to coach em up and let him know NOW to prepare to play the RDE spot and do some stand up rushing work from OLB in 3-4 alignments.
Lets hope Shauny isn’t a steady smoker either.
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