Reggie McKenzie Q&A
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, March 26th, 2012 at 4:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A transcript of Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie’s conference call with Bay Area media after the Raiders were awarded three compensatory selections in this year’s NFL draft:
What do you guys want? Yes. We’re not here to talk about my new picks, are we?
Q: Said you didn’t understand the formula, but is that what you expected, or did you not have any idea?
McKenzie: Let me tell you something. Whatever the formula is, I love this formula. I love it. I thought I would possibly get a three, a high one for Nnamdi, and the others, obviously, this is better than what I expected. So I’m extremely excited about the compensatory picks that the league has afforded the Raiders. Hopefully we can make due and have some good picks from this.
Q: Is a No.3 pick in your eyes a potential starter?
McKenzie: Yes. The No. 3 pick, the No. 4 pick, honestly, guys, when you set the board, you try to sete it to where you can have some possible starters through the fifth round. If you get lucky with a college free agent, seventh round, I’ve been fortunate to have some good fortune with latter picks in my 18-year career. I’m not going to just limit it to the third round. Ok, you’ve got a third so you’ve go tone opportunity to get a starter. I don’t want to go into this draft like that. I want to get some good players that we can try and get as many possible starters as possible. Whether they’re first-year starters, second or third year. I want to get to get some guys that got the potential to be starters. Don’t tie me down just to the third round.
Q: Coming into offseason, knowing you were going to get comp picks, did that any way change your approach to free agency?
McKenzie: No, it really didn’t. It really did not. I’m trying to build a team, so the more the merrier. If I see a possible free agent that we feel like, man we can do this, and this deal is pretty good. I’m going to do it in free agency, regardless of what we have in the draft. But that’s not going to minimize what I do in the draft, even if I sign an unrestricted free agent offensive lineman. That’s not going to say, I’m not going to draft one. I don’t look at it like that. I’m still looking for great backups who can become starters at every position. So I need a lot more picks than what I have now and some more free agent moves. The only thing I wish I had more of was NFL money and NFL cap. That’s what I wish I had more of.
Q: What do you do from here going forward in regards to clearing more space to add pieces to puzzle?
McKenzie: Not a whole lot this year. I think the bulk of it has been done. Now it’s just, you try to wait it out and see who the best fit for these 53 guys in the long run to make this team and then try to figure out, at this point its going to be production and talent. It’s not about money, money, money, as far as the comings and goings of players . . . the goings, mainly.
Q: Is the amount of picks you go into this draft with or is there a chance of trading existing players for picks?
McKenzie: that could be possible. I never close the door on trades. I really don’t. That door is always open, and so to answer your question, yes that could be a possibility.
Q: Overall how deep do you think this draft is and do you think at end of 3rd round could still land you a talented player?
McKenzie: I think there’s very good players in the middle rounds. So, from a standpoint of depth, I think it’s there. I don’t’ know as far as certain positions in the first two rounds it may not be as deep at certain spots, but for the most part there’s some good players throughout the draft.
Q: Throughout years at Green Bay , how many years did you spend on pro personnel, how much in college with draft, and how much doing both?
McKenzie: I did both a lot of times. My first year there, I began in pro personnel, so that was the brunt of my work. But when the scouting meetings started, I was heavily involved, in bringing guys in for visits, and from watching film in the meetings with the coaching, and putting the board together. So I was a part of that process early. I probably didn’t get started doing college scouting as far as going on the road and being a part of the pre-draft, the pre-combine scouting meetings until after about seven years. The last 10, 12 years I was part of that. The last 12 years, exactly. So that’s different. In saying that. I’ve always been involved in both. Always oversaw all the pro, from a free agent standpoint, and just the evaluation of my own team, which is I think is highly important, so it’s been a process, now. I’ve done this for quite some time but this is my show now so it’s going to be fun.
Q: Stepped in to new role this year, has it been frustrating spending with cap limitations and haven’t been able to go out sign free agents you wanted to get?
McKenzie: It’s not frustrating, it really isn’t. But you always like to have a comfort level, and to me, having cap, having cash, it gives you a comfort. So it’s teaching me how to manage money so to speak. This is good. This is good for me, learning how to deal on the fly with certain adverse situations. I think, initially now, we’re able to handle it so far. Hopefully, what I don’t want to do is allow this to get us in the end, but I always want to be in position, if we need to add a quality player, for a certain, and we feel it works out, financially, cap-wise, then sure, I want to be in position to make a move. And that’s my whole outlook, when we had to make certain cuts, we do it, with a future plan that we had. So far, it’s working accordingly.
Q: Still looking to add CB Pat Lee?
McKenzie: Yes.
Q: Said starting outside linebacker priority, speaking free agency or in draft?
McKenzie: Hey, let me tell you something. I will take it any way I can get it. If I can get it in free agency. In free agency, it has to work out contractually. If it don’t work out, I’m not tying my hands down to either/or. But still, regardless, I’m going to use the draft the best available player, and if it’s at position that we’re strong, so be it. If we think that’s the best guy, it’s the difference between adding solid starters and difference-makers. If I have a chance to get a difference-maker, we’re going to get ‘em. Whether it’s the draft, it’s hard to sign difference-makers if you don’t have money. If we have the potential to get some solid starters in free agency, still, I’m going to do it.
Q: The releases made so far, were those about production or lack of or was it about cap situation?
McKenzie: A little bit of both. When you talk about production versus a salary, in this business, once you get into the NFL, let’s fact it, guys, the contract and production, all of that goes hand in hand. If something is not matching, or it’s kind of out of whack, you’re going to have to be forced to make a decision. That’s what I was coming up to. It was not just all just either/or. If the production’s not there, but the guys’ making the minimum, then so be it, you can use this guy as the backup because of the contract. But when the thing doesn’t work out, contractually and production, you gotta be forced to evaluate. That’s after every season, we’re all up against that, gotta be evaluated. That’s where I made my decisions. It wasn’t, well, you’re costing too much money you’ve got to go, no, if the guy was highly productive and we could make it work, we’ll try to make it work, financially, but if not we’re going to have to make certain decisions and some tough decisions, which we did.’
Q: As you build, do you envision this team being stronger this year or take it 2-3 years to get your plan in place?
McKenzie: Honestly, I envision it being stronger.
Q: Tight end to position, elected to let Kevin Boss go, could you be comfortable with three TEs on roster or looking adding more?
McKenzie: I’m comfortable with it, but yes, I do want to continue to add. I’m not just going to, at any position really, just say, OK, I’m good there and I’m not going to add a guy. I’d like to add another guy there to compete.
Q: Is this a good draft for LBs as opposed to years past? A deep draft?
McKenzie: There are some good linebackers. Is it deep? I wouldn’t say that, but there are some good linebackers in this draft.
Q: How much does Peyton Manning being in Denver change the dynamics of the division, and to the extent that even in personnel evaluation and decision-making you might have an eye to that?
McKenzie: You know, the one thing I can say is I have a great admiration for Peyton. Now, do we have to put in a game plan for defending Peyton rather than Tebow? Absolutely. Guys, face it. This guy in the division, if he’s healthy and hitting on all cylinders physically, he’s going to be a good football player in our division. We’re going to have to find ways to slow him down. Yeah, I mean, the coaching staff, that’s going to be a challenge. And players that you add, do we have to make sure as far as cornerbacks are they going to have to be on their Ps and Qs on how they cover guys and timing and all that, absolutely. But are we going to be scared of him? Absolutely not.
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March 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Raiders!!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
damn you Seymour bush….
March 26th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Packers past drafts;
http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?lg=nfl&tm=gnb
March 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
If you get lucky with a college free agent, seventh round, I’ve been fortunate to have some good fortune with latter picks in my 18-year career.
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Truth…Packers have picked winners in the later rounds…
Packers past drafts;
http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?lg=nfl&tm=gnb
March 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Man, thec is really is lonely at the top huh?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Sorry that should have said, thec, it really is lonely at the top huh?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I think we’ll get some solid depth thanks to McKenzie and maybe a starter or two with this draft and UDFA. We have a solid core group of talent on offense and some def pieces. I still think we’ve a chance at the division title.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
McKenzie: A little bit of both. When you talk about production versus a salary, in this business, once you get into the NFL, let’s fact it, guys, the contract and production, all of that goes hand in hand.
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Why don’t you learn yourself a little something Debo.
From The Reggie’s mouth.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Sorry that should have said, thec, it really is lonely at the top huh?
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hahahahaah…Its cool Bruh…
March 26th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I think one player will be traded from the roster, and I am thinking it will be a WR.
Will it be Murphy and 6th to move up to the 5th, or Jacoby and a 5th to get another 3rd?
Can’t wait to find out!!!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Q: The releases made so far, were those about production or lack of or was it about cap situation?
McKenzie: A little bit of both. When you talk about production versus a salary, in this business, once you get into the NFL, let’s fact it, guys, the contract and production, all of that goes hand in hand. If something is not matching, or it’s kind of out of whack, you’re going to have to be forced to make a decision. That’s what I was coming up to. It was not just all just either/or. If the production’s not there, but the guys’ making the minimum, then so be it, you can use this guy as the backup because of the contract. But when the thing doesn’t work out, contractually and production, you gotta be forced to evaluate. That’s after every season, we’re all up against that, gotta be evaluated. That’s where I made my decisions. It wasn’t, well, you’re costing too much money you’ve got to go, no, if the guy was highly productive and we could make it work, we’ll try to make it work, financially, but if not we’re going to have to make certain decisions and some tough decisions, which we did.’
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EXACTLY, WHAT SOME POSTERS ON THIS BOARD DO NOT UNDERSTAND! Paging Debo, please pick up the courtesy telephone…
March 26th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@Just Fire Baby Says
Awesome post!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Reggie…. Honestly.. ” I envision it being stronger”….
March 26th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Good post Jer….solid
March 26th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Alright Blog Brahs
Time to start guessing how many times Peemore Bust – the Official 2012 Blog Punching Bag – gets smacked around this week!
This includes roasts, backhands, disses, beatdowns and the all time favorite – letting him trip over his own tail chasing you around in desperation!
My guess is 18. By 10:00 tonight.
By Friday, 157. Now is your chance to sound off, Bloggers
WIZZLE WIZZLE WHUUUUUUT?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
yo
March 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Trade Jacoby Ford for a draft pick? Why, to give you “Semi’s” something to gab about ad-nausuem?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
AFRAID OF NO ONE!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
GO RAIDERS!!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Trade Jacoby Ford for a draft pick? Why, to give you “Semi’s” something to gab about ad-nausuem?
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ROFLMAO…Guy’s got good a point….
March 26th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
But still, regardless, I’m going to use the draft the best available player, and if it’s at position that we’re strong, so be it.
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Dknight,
I think this is what I am saying. The Reggie won’t factor in what happened in years previous.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Hairy we still need to get you a new moniker…
March 26th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Trade Jacoby Ford for a draft pick? Why, to give you “Semi’s” something to gab about ad-nausuem?
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Yes!!!!
The Reggie wants to trade for some picks, and us Semi’s (appreciate you capitalizing it and showing your respect) are in tune with The Reggie so far.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Just Fire Baby
So what does your crystal ball say? Which vets could be traded? Tommy Kelly?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Krappy why are you blogging when you should be cutting them vegetables for your wife’s chicken pot pie?
Make sure that celery is sliced nice n thin the way she likes it
March 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
trade ford = bad idea imo…
March 26th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
ford > potential 3rd round crap shot…
March 26th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
So what does your crystal ball say? Which vets could be traded? Tommy Kelly?
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TK wouldn’t net us much, IMO, unfortunately due to his contract.
I am looking at Lou Murph and/or Jacoby.
Not really many pieces to play with.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
As a “homerun hitter” Jacoby Ford is more of the Rob Deer/Jay Buhner type.
Fun to watch, amazing “home runs”, injury-prone and fairly replacable.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Known Value vs crap shot
March 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I just hope McKenzie can work the latter rounds of the draft and rook free agency as well Al did in recent years (Des Bryant, Branch, Ford, Schilens, Reece, Murphy, Bush, TK, Taiwan Jones — all 4th round or later).
March 26th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Not insisting we trade Jacoby, just providing some discussion.
Not concerned either way, but of all our youngsters with some “value” (D-Mac, Moore, Veldheer, Houston, Wiz) I think Ford is the least valuable to the team.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Des Bryant
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The man graduated from Harvard, let’s give him his due and call him by his full-name, Desmond.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Trading Ford for a draft pick is honestly one of the most nonsensical ideas to ever gain traction on this blog.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
JLofty Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Hairy we still need to get you a new moniker…
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what do u got for me? I’m all ears.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Trading Ford for a draft pick is honestly one of the most nonsensical ideas to ever gain traction on this blog.
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and yet some guys will sign off on it….
March 26th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Forgot to add Moore to that listing of Al’s late-round gems.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Vegas,
home run hitter Jacoby has also fought tooth and fingernail for passes no other Raider receiver in the past couple of years would give forth that effort.
all is not as it appears at one glance.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Trading Ford for a draft pick is honestly one of the most nonsensical ideas to ever gain traction on this blog.
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I will take that as a compliment.
I am converting folks daily, lol!!!!!!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
M,
I like Jacoby. Absolutely, he competes and fights for balls (although he does kind of HAVE TO with his size).
If The Reggie said he wasn’t looking to trade a player for picks, than I would have never brought it up.
Since he did, I am going to speculate like some Oil future traders.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I was on board with McKenzie from the beginning but the more I see of this guy, the more I like him.
Tough situation but no panic. Do your job, leave all options open, build a winner.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I am converting folks daily, lol!!!!!!
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hahahahahaha…..Appreciate the humour
March 26th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
per pft: Concussions on kickoffs drop sharply in 2011
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Well it just so turns out entertainment value on kickoffs also dropped off sharply in 2011…weird.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Since he did, I am going to speculate like some Oil future traders.
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Man I told you a while back AU, PT, AG, and PD was where its at….Screw oil futures.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I floated this before the whole w”whistleblower” thing, but I still say we should sign Shockey. Could basically get him for the vet minimum or a little more. Would give the offense some much needed swagger and even at this stage in his career would be the most talented TE we’ve had since Christensen.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
per pft: Concussions on kickoffs drop sharply in 2011
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Well it just so turns out entertainment value on kickoffs also dropped off sharply in 2011…weird.
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this allways comes up when we discuss JFORD…
Moving the KO up 5 yards was by far the dumbest change yet…. Hate KO’s now….
March 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Twocents,
and with Reggie I believe that no players will have to be taken out to the woodshed because they wouldn’t wish to have Reggie take them out to the woodshed and go old school on their azzes.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Man I told you a while back AU, PT, AG, and PD was where its at….Screw oil futures.
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In all seriousness, there has been some serious equity “winners” floated around on this board over the years.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I floated this before the whole w”whistleblower” thing, but I still say we should sign Shockey. Could basically get him for the vet minimum or a little more. Would give the offense some much needed swagger and even at this stage in his career would be the most talented TE we’ve had since Christensen.
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Not so sure he would be the most talented TE on roster since Christensen. I wouldn’t want a divisive personality like his in the locker room. I would consider a personality like his if he had legit skills to balance out his foolishness. Unfortunetley Shockey is what you call a has been, The Raiders are going in a different direction I believe,
But…Maybe he can spend some time hanging out with Javon Walker?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Thec Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
per pft: Concussions on kickoffs drop sharply in 2011
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Well it just so turns out entertainment value on kickoffs also dropped off sharply in 2011…weird.
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this allways comes up when we discuss JFORD…
Moving the KO up 5 yards was by far the dumbest change yet…. Hate KO’s now….
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sp. teams was one of my favorite aspects of the game, now not so much unfotunetley. Used to be nothing better than watching a guy run 101 yards for a TD!
March 26th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Shockey seemed like a calming influence on the Global Icon last season.
I wouldn’t be mad at all if we brought him in.
The dude gets after it blocking as well.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
A year ago on this site 95% of the comments castigated DHB.
Bust horrible waste.
not only did the young man put up career numbers (better’n anything Crabs has done) but he took a paralyzing blow to the head against Minny and came back the next week to play.
What’ll be the overt and wrong theme this year?
March 26th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I floated this before the whole w”whistleblower” thing, but I still say we should sign Shockey. Could basically get him for the vet minimum or a little more. Would give the offense some much needed swagger and even at this stage in his career would be the most talented TE we’ve had since Christensen.
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Also… I think the Raiders Offense is just fine when it comes to swagger. The defense on the other hand…
March 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I floated this before the whole w”whistleblower” thing, but I still say we should sign Shockey. Could basically get him for the vet minimum or a little more. Would give the offense some much needed swagger and even at this stage in his career would be the most talented TE we’ve had since Christensen.
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Now there is a good post right there.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
As far as Jeremy Shockey,
trusting Warren Sapp with the truth is like trusting Marshall Applewhite to be your spiritual leader.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
M Lonetree Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
A year ago on this site 95% of the comments castigated DHB.
Bust horrible waste.
not only did the young man put up career numbers (better’n anything Crabs has done) but he took a paralyzing blow to the head against Minny and came back the next week to play.
What’ll be the overt and wrong theme this year?
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Maybe Terrell Pryor? I know I’m skeptical.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Warren Sapp needs to be fired ASAP.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Shockey seemed like a calming influence on the Global Icon last season.
I wouldn’t be mad at all if we brought him in.
The dude gets after it blocking as well. Patna gets it in.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Shockey seemed like a calming influence on the Global Icon last season.
I wouldn’t be mad at all if we brought him in.
The dude gets after it blocking as well. Patna gets it in.
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you already said that
your posting to fast
lol
March 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
What’ll be the overt and wrong theme this year?
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All the Carson Palmer hatred, and this whole “Rebuilding/Moneyball” nonsense you get from the staunch Al supporters.
March 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Idk Hairy, Tyrell’sBooty or Carson’sCouch just don’t have the panache or flow of a HairyBush do they?
March 26th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
What the hell just happened?
My posts ring out in echoes apparently.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
As far as Jeremy Shockey,
trusting Warren Sapp with the truth is like trusting Marshall Applewhite to be your spiritual leader. Take that to the bank, Hank.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
HB,
The offense has talent, no doubt. But I’m not so sure it has that emotional spark that can elevates the intensity of everyone else. It’s one of those things that’s value is hard to quantify. Either you believe in it or not. To me it’s not the meat or potatoes but the seasoning that brings out the best in the rest of the meal.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Yep….this is such a darn incredible read. Thanks Jer! We Raider fans need to read about decisions Reggie is making for the team. Once again, I’m thrilled Reggie is not afraid of Peyton because if healthy he will be a huge challenge for our D slowing him down. Well we need to get her done…somehow.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Hey Semi poll:
Does the legendary AL Davis get credit for mid/late round picks OR…
Raider success in mid/late rounds of NFL draft becuz Al either left the war room and/or allowed more scout/coach input on those rounds?
Interested in ya’lls opine on the subj…
March 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I think the Palmer hate has waned. Wrong theme this year will be dump TK and Huff. Both players will have huge years.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Vegas,
I do believe have may have the target with the Carson angst/hatred being the biggest miss.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Ali-Frazier III on ESPN classic.
Damn shame heavyweight boxing will never have athletes like this again.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
JLofty Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Idk Hairy, Tyrell’sBooty or Carson’sCouch just don’t have the panache or flow of a HairyBush do they?
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It’s a tough call, Don’t want to downgrade lol
I will have to make a list of fellow semi’s suggestions
Kind of like last years MUP list. Only this year whoever predicts my new screen name will win a free BBQ lunch with Jerry and there favorite Raider.
There was always hairy Palm(er)& her 5 friends.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I don’t think we will win the division this year but I don’t think any team in the league will look forward to playing us.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
As a “homerun hitter” Jacoby Ford is more of the Rob Deer/Jay Buhner type.
Fun to watch, amazing “home runs”, injury-prone and fairly replacable
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I’m not sure I understand the injury prone part. He rolled his ankle last season. I don’t recall any problems his rookie year. Did he have issues in college?
March 26th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I think Al deserves the lion’s share of credit for those picks.
He deserves credit and blame for all the good and bad of the organization.
Even if it were the scouts, he hired them.
Just like us botching the coin flip last year in the preseason. That’s on the HC, no matter who screwed up.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Ali-Frazier III on ESPN classic.
Damn shame heavyweight boxing will never have athletes like this again.
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True that. They’ve either gone to MMA or other sports. PPV really ruined boxing.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
HB,
The offense has talent, no doubt. But I’m not so sure it has that emotional spark that can elevates the intensity of everyone else. It’s one of those things that’s value is hard to quantify. Either you believe in it or not. To me it’s not the meat or potatoes but the seasoning that brings out the best in the rest of the meal.
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Well said, Just not so sure Shockey is that guy.
I think almost all our wideouts have swagger.
Maybe Palmer will be more vocal after 1st year.
DMAC has swagger, look foward to seeing what T.Jones, Ausberry, and a bigger game plan for M.Reece have in store.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I’m not sure I understand the injury prone partHe rolled his ankle last season
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Broke his hand in camp, missed pretty much the whole preseason, than fumbled his first touch of the year in Denver. Missed the next two weeks, than missed most of the 2nd half with some type of muscle pull I thought.
Rookie-year he had hammy issues that limited him for most of the first half of the season. Remember the great Yamon Figurs returning kicks for a few weeks because Jacoby couldn’t go?
March 26th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Duck,
Today, Frazier would probably flame out as a D-II RB/FB and Ali a rotational collegiate SG, and both would have never thought of boxing as a career.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
43.HairyBush Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
per pft: Concussions on kickoffs drop sharply in 2011
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Well it just so turns out entertainment value on kickoffs also dropped off sharply in 2011…weird.
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Here is my radical solution when it comes to trying to elimnate concussions or illegal unecessary hit.
Eliminate the face mask from the helmet.
Players tend to lead with their heads and I have forgot the fundemental rule when tackling or hitting:
See what you hit and do not drop your head or lead with your helmet.
You get rid of the face mask…players will go back tackling and hitting the way it should be, since they won’t want to hurt their pretty faces, and the leading with the helmet will be eliminated real quick.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
A smart team, plays 4 quarters, I’ll accept that.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
JFB, yeah I do remember some of that. Thanks.
I guess I drink too much during football season.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
The heavy helmets and full face masks have in a way evolved to unecessary spearing weapons in todays NFL.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Lardarius Webb anyone?
March 26th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Get rid pf the facemask? how does that change leading with the crown of the helmet? if anything it will naturally force players to lead with the crown of the helmet into the oppossition’s un protected nose! wtf? please explain.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Two quotes from Machete McKenzie stood out to me:
“It’s not about money, money, money, as far as the comings and goings of players . . . the goings, mainly.”
“But are we going to be scared of him? Absolutely not.”
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Earn your contract or hit the bricks…
Peyton, Tebow. Doesn’t matter, still going to kick their ass…
March 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I guess I drink too much during football season.
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You and me both.
Don’t ask me about the Texans or Minny games from last year. Something about being drunk at 11am skews my memory worse than when I am wasted at 2pm.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
My crazy idea to eliminate the brutality of helmet 2 helmet hits? make them wear big helmets, something like what buffalo’s safety Kelso wore in the 90’s, huge helmet with Nerf padding outside or something, get the hardshell out of the mix when hitting…
March 26th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Players I would like to see McK target during the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds. I didn’t put any CB’s down. My personal opinion, no CB’s should be drafted in this years draft before Round 5:
Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
Height: 5-10 Weight: 220
Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
Height: 6-3 Weight: 270
Derek Wolfe, DE/DT, Cincinnati
Height: 6-5 Weight: 293
Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise State
Height: 6-4 Weight: 290
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
Height: 6-3 Weight: 258
Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia
Height: 6-3 Weight: 248
Cordarro Law, DE/OLB, Southern Miss
Height: 6-2 Weight: 265
Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky
Height: 6-0 Weight: 245
Nigel Bradham, OLB, Florida State
Height: 6-2 Weight: 245
Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
Height: 5-11 Weight: 240
Bobby Wagner, OLB/ILB, Utah State
Height: 6-0 Weight: 247
Nick Jean-Baptiste, DT/NT, Baylor
Height: 6-2 Weight: 330
Josh Chapman, DT/NT, Alabama
Height: 6-1. Weight: 320
Alameda Ta’amu, DT/NT, Washington
Height: 6-3 Weight: 340
Logan Harrell, DT, Fresno State
Height: 6-2 Weight: 280
Malik Jackson, DE, Tennessee
Height: 6-5 Weight: 280
Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
Height: 6-4 Weight: 270
Brandon Bolden, RB, Ole Miss
Height: 5-11 Weight: 220
Marc Tyler, RB, USC
Height: 5-10 Weight: 222
March 26th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
86.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
My crazy idea to eliminate the brutality of helmet 2 helmet hits? make them wear big helmets, something like what buffalo’s safety Kelso wore in the 90’s, huge helmet with Nerf padding outside or something, get the hardshell out of the mix when hitting…
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There you go another good suggestion. The hardshell helmet basically causes concussions.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Alameda Ta’amu, DT/NT, Washington
Height: 6-3 Weight: 340
A Raider name if I ever saw one!
March 26th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
83.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Get rid pf the facemask? how does that change leading with the crown of the helmet? if anything it will naturally force players to lead with the crown of the helmet into the oppossition’s un protected nose! wtf? please explain.
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By not having a face mask…players won’t lead with their faces and helmets anymore. You can still tackle and wrap up, without having to lead with your facemask or helmet.
They won’t want to mess or break their pretty faces.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I think the only chance for eliminating concussions is evolution.
Players children will be born with thicker, larger skulls.
I am half-way serious.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
No facemasks = a whole lot of Teeffless, football players.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Football is a violent game.
Those that play it make big money because there aren’t many that can cut it.
If Goodall puzzifies the game, it won’t be football.
Who wants to watch flag football?
Lengerie football is more interesting.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I think the only chance for eliminating concussions is evolution.
Players children will be born with thicker, larger skulls.
I am half-way serious.
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The problem with that idea: By the time the concussion effects really kick in, players have usually had all the kids they’re going to have.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
a whole lot of teefless guys = no more show boats just tuff guys
March 26th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
I’d like to see the uni’s go retro all the back to the early days of leather helmets. I bet injuries would go way down.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
#78: Eliminate face masks
Agree strongly. Mike Ditka has been preaching this for years. It causes injuries to both the hitter and the hittee. Its existence actually makes the hitter feel more protected, invincible, and he takes chances which injure both.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Backwards, is not the way forward.
-KoolKell, 2012.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Eliminate facemasks? I promise every single hit will be with the crown of the helmet…take a knee to the face from a full speed 260lb running back….snap into a slim jim!
March 26th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
“Players children will be born with thicker, larger skulls.”
Selective pressures only operate if a group (these footbal players) have more babies than other people (outcompete them, in other words). Individually maybe they do, but there aren’t enough football players to outcompete other people–in other words, they comprise too small a group.
Further, from what we know of man’s evolution, a thicker skull can only exist with a smaller brain (and a smaller brain would wind up losing competitive advantage in natural selection).
March 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
McKenzie: Hey, let me tell you something. I will take it any way I can get it. If I can get it in free agency. In free agency, it has to work out contractually. If it don’t work out, I’m not tying my hands down to either/or. But still, regardless, I’m going to use the draft the best available player, and if it’s at position that we’re strong, so be it. If we think that’s the best guy, it’s the difference between adding solid starters and difference-makers. If I have a chance to get a difference-maker, we’re going to get ‘em. Whether it’s the draft, it’s hard to sign difference-makers if you don’t have money. If we have the potential to get some solid starters in free agency, still, I’m going to do it.
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This is exactly the approach he needs to take. Awesome to hear.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I find the “OMFGZ REGGIE LET ROUTT, WIMBLEY AND BOSS GET AWAY AND RE-SIGNED A BUM LIKE BARNES” stuff really funny, considering the fact that just last season Al Davis let Nnamdi, Howard, and Miller “get away” and re-signed Barnes.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Remember when Homer Simpson became a pro boxer cause he had a small brain and no one could knock him out? worked wonders until Mike Tyson gave him a right cross and knocked him into next year….awesome episode!
March 26th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Ali-Frazier III on ESPN classic.
Damn shame heavyweight boxing will never have athletes like this again
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When you watch the fight try to count how many times the ref had to pull Ali’s hand off the back of Frazier’s neck.
Any fighter in the world but Ali would have been disqualified for holding.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Young American
It’s going to take some Raider fans time, to get over fancy off-season signings in the off-season, to winning in the regular season.
Some don’t know any different.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Reports are coming in!!!!
Raiders have just sent Darren McFadden to the Packers for their 1st round pick.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Gotta bring this up. Does anyone know what it means to be tried by a jury of ones peers?
The original intent was that if you were charged with a crime, you were to be tried by a jury of people that knew you.
Is that anything close to what is being done today?
March 26th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
*It’s going to take some Raider fans time, to get over fancy signings in the off-season, to winning in the regular season.
Some don’t know any different.
March 26th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Gotta bring this up. Does anyone know what it means to be tried by a jury of ones peers?
The original intent was that if you were charged with a crime, you were to be tried by a jury of people that knew you.
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jury of one’s peers n. a guaranteed right of criminal defendants, in which “peer” means an “equal.” This has been interpreted by courts to mean that the available jurors include a broad spectrum of the population, particularly of race, national origin and gender. Jury selection may include no process which excludes those of a particular race or intentionally narrows the spectrum of possible jurors. It does not mean that women are to be tried by women, Asians by Asians, or African Americans by African Americans. (See: jury)
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Twocents, you are sooooooooo, ill informed.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Gotta bring this up. Does anyone know what it means to be tried by a jury of ones peers?
The original intent was that if you were charged with a crime, you were to be tried by a jury of people that knew you.
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One would hope that you’d “google” Jury by one’s peers, before you posted something so stupid.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
KoolKell, you are consulting lawyers on law.
The law is what the government says it is.
Only lawyers that suck up to the government are allowed to make laws.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Two cents, you’re too ignorant to speak on the subject, intelligently, obviously.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Ok 2 cents ifts all f-up here. Nthing much fair about it but guess what that’s life. Our system has numerous flaws but its still better than the majority. And if you don’t like our laws there is a system in place to change them. Not perfect but better than anything else.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
KoolKell, I am trying to be nice and not insult your intelligence.
The President selects the Supreme court, a cushy job, they support whatever the ruling class decides is the law.
The law is not as difficult as lawyers would like you to beleive. I think if you thought about you would come up with a few simple rules that would serve us all well.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Arkraider, have you investigated anarchy?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Anarchy is the art of living without rulers.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Lol @ the Stanford and Duke women’s teams playing their regional semifinal at the SaveMart Center Arena.
Probably the closest a lot of those girls have ever been to an actual SaveMart.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I hope you never end up going through the court system in some far away country, 2 cents! It would make you miss our messed up system here. Don’t get me wrong, I hear your complaints about our corporate/industrial/government system and I agree there are many problems with the system and our government but on the other hand we got the best thing going and I prefer to spend my energy trying to change things not just tear them down.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Anarchy is a great idea until you need to build something like I dunno the bay bridge. Or even repair pot holes in our streets. If we have anarchy who’s gonna take care of stuff like that?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
But Twocents, you can’t even manage the facts!
Jury by one’s peers, for instance. Your redneck bumbler sticker, one line predictions of the extinctions of man, unless they vote for Ron Paul, notwithstanding.
Understand?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Our court system is as corrupt as any in the the world.
Serve on jury duty sometime, saying you believe in nullification will soon get you jail time.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
KoolKell, I don’t understand. Please make a valid point and I will respond.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
So if you want anarchy great! But I got some road repair that needs to happen in front of my house!
So 2 cents you gonna come repair that for me or what u suggest we do about infrastructure.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Twocents have you ever been to another country?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
KoolKell, Ron Paul is not predicting the extinction of man. He is merely pointing out that the coming depression is going to lower the standard of living of all Americans.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
KoolKell, what country should I move to?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Sorry off on a tangent.
Anarchy Spanarchy, back to more important things like
Where we gonna get a linebacker from? Two cents, any ideas?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I’m just asking, have you travelled internationally?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
We need to go out and try to aquire QB Drew Stanton from the NY Jets as Palmer back-up. Stanton wants out since the Jets got Tebow.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Arkraider, I have given up trying to predict what McKenzie will do, but I think he has a plan.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Stanton already got traded to the Colts.
Billy Volek would be a very solid backup to Palmer.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Stanton already got traded to the Colts.
Billy Volek would be a very solid backup to Palmer.
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They had a big “Circle of Luck” post about that: Luck replaces Peyton who replaces Tebow who replaces Stanton who is now backing up Luck.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
twocents, how does Ron Paul know there’s a depression coming? Is this like the guy who predicts the end of thew world every few months?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Stanton already got traded to the Colts.
Billy Volek would be a very solid backup to Palmer.
___________________________________________________-Billy Volek would be a good backup.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
KoolKell, your government sent me to South East Asia. I spent my own money to go to Great Britain and to the Caribbean.
What is your point?
March 26th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
For those of you who want a quick, interesting read about US foreign policy, especially as it relates to our economic interests abroad, I highly recommend Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Sully, we are in a depression. If you knew anything about about economics you would see it. You believe the crp that your rulers tell you, good luck.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Hello Raider Breathen,
Tis a glorious day to be a Raider brother. Pour me some ale and kill me five game hens. A toast to the wisdom of Reggie and Al!!!!!
Raiders forevers!!!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
McKenzie: A little bit of both. When you talk about production versus a salary, in this business, once you get into the NFL, let’s fact it, guys, the contract and production, all of that goes hand in hand. If something is not matching, or it’s kind of out of whack, you’re going to have to be forced to make a decision.
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I guess production does matter. You guys on here talking about how good Wimbley and Routt and those busts on defense.
Reggie McKenzie is cleaning out the guys that didn’t contribute jack.
March 26th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
KoolKell, your government sent me to South East Asia. I spent my own money to go to Great Britain and to the Caribbean.
What is your point?
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Did you see anything that suits your fancy?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Nice news on the comp picks! I thought we would only get two. Thomas Howard never crossed my mind. Very nice!
March 26th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
twocents, we’re in a depression right now? Are you on your lap top while waiting in a soup line?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
If you’ve got a few seconds to kill, go vote for the ‘76 Raiders in the semifinals of the NFL.com best team of all time “bracketology”:
http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/alltimeteams
March 26th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Twocents, first you talk of Ron Paul predicting a “coming depression”, then you say we’re already in a depression, as in present tense. Which is it? Figure it out before you get to the front of the soup line.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Twocents, you thought a jury by “one’s peers” to meant a jury of people who knew the defendant . You took that factually incorrect,, misinformation to predict the end of the world.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
KoolKell, I could get along anywhere, I find good people wherever I go.
If I could do it all over again, I would go to where the government is nowhere in sight.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
arkraider Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Anarchy is a great idea until you need to build something like I dunno the bay bridge. Or even repair pot holes in our streets. If we have anarchy who’s gonna take care of stuff like that?
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The thing with anarchy is that it would create more excitement and adventure and obviously freedom, but if you think people would go on living as civilized and peaceful and with good intentions you’re kidding yourself. People will, by and large, get away with what they can get away with. And in anarchy they could get away with a hell of a lot.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
KoolKell, I could get along anywhere, I find good people wherever I go.
If I could do it all over again, I would go to where the government is nowhere in sight.
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You can still go there today. I think the place is called Mogadishu, Somalia.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
You can always move to the mountains, off the grid.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
When we compare anarchy to statism, we have to examine who benefits under statism.
Again, anarchy is the art of living without rulers.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
You could always shoot your own food. That way, you don’t have to worry about the Food and Drug Dept.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
arkraider Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Anarchy is a great idea until you need to build something like I dunno the bay bridge. Or even repair pot holes in our streets. If we have anarchy who’s gonna take care of stuff like that?
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The thing with anarchy is that it would create more excitement and adventure and obviously freedom, but if you think people would go on living as civilized and peaceful and with good intentions you’re kidding yourself. People will, by and large, get away with what they can get away with. And in anarchy they could get away with a hell of a lot.
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Chris is exactly right. Libertarianism is the greatest philosophy on Earth,until individuals or corporations start acting up. And if they do, which they will, the society crumbles.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
KoolKell, I could get along anywhere, I find good people wherever I go.
If I could do it all over again, I would go to where the government is nowhere in sight.
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You should go to Somalia. I hear they have nice weather this time of the year.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
twocents, have you decided yet whether a depression is coming, or if we’re already in one? You said both. Must be tough blogging during a depression. Hope your lap top doesn’t get jacked in the soup line. Be careful.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Plus in anarchy that power vacuum most likely gets filled with gangstas and tyrants. Maybe the best you can hope for is a dumb mob.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Regardless, http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/alltimeteams?round=5
March 26th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Anarchy, you mean like grown men stalking 17 year olds, accosting them, attacking them, eventually shooting and killing them because they’re wearing hoodies?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
What is civilization? This country that we support with our production is killing people in Arabia and Africa and other places that we have no clue about.
Is that civilized?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
twocents, how bad can this depression be when you can still afford internet access?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/alltimeteams?round=5
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Hahahahahaha…Just like I have been telling you guys…
If you did not get to see this team play, you missed out on watching BIG BOY NFL….
1976 Raiders <——Greatest Football team in history
March 26th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
I know that most of you think that the USA is number one, and I am an easy target. I am sure that Germans under Hitler felt the same way.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
You would think on a day we got three draft picks you guys would be a will to have a discussion centered around football!!!!
March 26th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
If you knew anything about Nazi Germany”..”………….never mind. Too stupid.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Most of us think you guys are ignorant, and you are disturbing us with your ignorance. Monkeys should not talk about politics and economics.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
I actually took a class called “Anarchy” in college…and it is a cool idea in theory, the actuality would look alot like the Tribal Culture of the Native Americans…you live in a sort of commune called a Bolo…there is a famous book called Bolo Bolo…that goes into the dynamics of all of it..
But like another poster said above, it’s pretty neat until you need to build something like the Bay Bridge or Defend your Country….
Look what happened to the Indians…
March 26th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
We are the terrorist of the world. We have the drones that kill people indiscrimently. Collateral damage, who cares?
If you support this madness then you are not civilized, you are indoctrinated.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Then Raider O, maybe you should keep. Your mouth shut. Get tired of hearing about your personal life anyway.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So which linebackers do you think will fall to us in the third round?
Any suggestions?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
2,065,532 sigs for Trayvon Martin…
March 26th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So which linebackers do you think will fall to us in the third round?
Any suggestions?
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I know we are in need of a LB however, if Alameda Ta’amu, NT Wash is on the board he should be the pick
March 26th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Lyndon LaRouche’s brand of Libertarianism did not allow for “anarchy” if people “acted up”.
Basically, you can get as toasted as you want in the privacy of your home w/o breaking any laws, but if u decide to get in a car and drive…and kill somebody, you’re in trouble.
If you are able bodied, you need to at least TRY to get a job and work. If you’re just lazy, then no check on the 3rd.
If you are disabled or too old to work…the govt. will make sure u have money to eat and a roof over your head.
It was a social theory generally referred to as “collective social freedom enhancement and balanced support”.
In a nutshell, your right to throw a punch… stops at my face. Otherwise…swing away.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
MikeG, apply the same criteria to statism.
You think that technology is a product of the state.
Prove it.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Thec Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So which linebackers do you think will fall to us in the third round?
Any suggestions?
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I know we are in need of a LB however, if Alameda Ta’amu, NT Wash is on the board he should be the pick
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Agreed. True two-gap NTs are hard to come by. If he’s on the board, take him.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
KoolKell, is the USA number one?
Or are we just another empire out to rule the world?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Two things about that whole Trayvon Martin case I can’t wrap my head around:
1) Why the media keeps exclusively showing pics of Martin as an 11-12 year old when he was actually a 6-3, 17-year-old.
2) Why they keep referring to the Hispanic guy as white.
Sounds like the credibility of the media’s narrative took a crushing blow today as well.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
[...] the formula is, I love this formula. I love it,” McKenzie said during a conference call (via Bay Area News Group). “I thought I would possibly get a three, a high one for Nnamdi (Asomugha), and the others, [...]
March 26th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Thec Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So which linebackers do you think will fall to us in the third round?
Any suggestions?
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I know we are in need of a LB however, if Alameda Ta’amu, NT Wash is on the board he should be the pick
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Yay!!! real football conversation.
We definitely need a NT… After looking at the one Reggie drafted in Green Bay, they look like they can come in and start immediately
March 26th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Kell, notice twocents switched subjects to terrorism the second I called him on his depression nonsense.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Agreed. True two-gap NTs are hard to come by. If he’s on the board, take him.
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Important missing link to the run stop puzzle…
March 26th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
I would be happy if we used all our picks on the D side of the ball.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Then Raider O, maybe you should keep. Your mouth shut. Get tired of hearing about your personal life anyway.
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Are you serious you Effin monkey?
Tell us about all the countries you traveled to? Tell us about your wife (if tou can call her that). What race and we here she comes from?
Go read wiki you ignorant Bastard.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
This is a thin year for LB’s however, hopefully someone RM targets drops.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Chris in NY, when a kid is murdered by an adult, typically the media is going to show childhood pictures of the victim. That’s routine journalism, not some kind of media conspiracy. There also hasn’t been much about Zimmerman’s criminal record, which includes an assault on a police officer and an assault on a woman. So, if there’s any bias, it could be in Zimmerman’s favor.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Two things about that whole Trayvon Martin case I can’t wrap my head around:
1) Why the media keeps exclusively showing pics of Martin as an 11-12 year old when he was actually a 6-3, 17-year-old.
2) Why they keep referring to the Hispanic guy as white.
Sounds like the credibility of the media’s narrative took a crushing blow today as well.
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1) cuz those might be the best pictures they have of him
2) he is a white guy… Spain is in Europe
March 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Sully, you can’t really believe that the US economy is doing okay?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Race need not be an issue. We had a 17 year old killed by a guy who the police dispatch told to stand down.
Anyone who has a child should be greaving this loss.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Sully, you can’t really believe that the US economy is doing okay?
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Unemployment going down, GDP growing. consumer confidence, up……………….
March 26th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
See it’s like this…
Hispanic = Spain = Europe = Caucasian
March 26th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Thec Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Race need not be an issue. We had a 17 year old killed by a guy who the police dispatch told to stand down.
Anyone who has a child should be greaving this loss.
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Awesome post!
March 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Sully, the fact that everything you buy is made in China doesn’t cause you a little concern?
You think we can scam those yellow bstrds forever?
March 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Monkeys talking about economics!
LMAO
March 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I can’t get too wrapped up in the draft this year for a few reasons. Obviously the biggest being that we have to wait a very, very long time to pick.
Also I’ve seen enough drafts now to know that the guy you never heard of picked in the 3rd round might be far better than the 1st rounder with all the hype (Veldheer vs. McClain, anyone?), which is why I’ve never had a problem with Hue’s trade for Palmer.
Earlier today Jerry posted a list of the last 10 picks taken at No. 95. An elite player, a few good players, and a bunch of washouts. That’s the draft though, not just at the tail end of the 3rd round but the 1st round is more or less the same.
I think the most glaring needs are a speed pass rusher and obviously LB help. Maybe another CB but I think the LB and outside rush specialist are the biggest needs right now and ones that will be tough to fill at this point in free agency.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
MikeG, apply the same criteria to statism.
You think that technology is a product of the state.
Prove it.
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Money is a product of the state, money is what drives technological advancement….It would take one hell of alot of chickens to get the Bay Bridge built. The Indians didn’t have guns, couldn’t defend their country, and were wiped out..
March 26th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
twocents, you said we were in a depression. Well, first you said a depression is coming. When I asked you how you and Ron Paul know that, you then said we’re already in one. This depression can’t be all too bad if you can still afford internet access, twocents.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
My whole point is that if a society is built on Anarchy, there is a natural regression back to a more tribal natural way of living..There is basically no need for advanced technology because you have to do everything yourself, Food, Clothing, Shelter, Heating, Cooling, Health Care….EVERYTHING is based upon Barter and Trade..Money does not exist..
March 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I can’t get too wrapped up in the draft this year for a few reasons. Obviously the biggest being that we have to wait a very, very long time takes to pick.
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Dude you hit the naail on the head. I HATE the draft format. Stretching out the days…Puts us in a longer wait pattern.
March 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Money is the medium exchange. Wealth is what you produce. Don’t confuse the two.
The state does not produce anything, it only consumes.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Sully, the fact that everything you buy is made in China doesn’t cause you a little concern?
You think we can scam those yellow bstrds forever?
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“Yellow bstrds”???
See, I think that’s where you people, get off on the wrong foot, in the first place. Then, in the same breath, complain about the gov’t killing people all over the world.
You Libertarians are just soooo narrow.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So which linebackers do you think will fall to us in the third round?
Any suggestions?
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Here are some guys who are high on my board, and might be there at the end of the 3rd round:
DT Brandon Thompson Clemson
OLB Ronnel Lewis Oklahoma
Michael Egnew TE Missouri
George Iloka FS Boise State
March 26th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Thec,
Why is this such an issue, but not all the innocent blk kids that are killed daily by other blk gang members & thugs?
March 26th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Earlier today Jerry posted a list of the last 10 picks taken at No. 95. An elite player, a few good players, and a bunch of washouts.
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Whats even more telling and a better story is the GBP draft choices over the last few years, they hit some doubles, triples, and Hr’s drafting in the later rd’s.
RM had his hand all over that…
March 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Thec,
I’m not saying we don’t have race issues, and I’m not saying this shouldn’t be an issue, but shouldn’t we be more concerned with dealing with a bigger issue that kills more blk kids on daily basis.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Money is the medium exchange. Wealth is what you produce. Don’t confuse the two.
The state does not produce anything, it only consumes.
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You really can’t say the state doesn’t produce anything. think of all the medical and other research is performed by the state such as UCSF. That isn’t private corporations doing it. There would be no profit in it for them especially in a short run.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
twocents, you said we’re in a depression. Either recant, or hang it up for the night. Your credibility is toast.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
KoolKell, isn’t that what we are doing, scamming the Chinese. The rhetoric has you all upset. In the end we will default on our obligations, but you are more concerned about the rhetoric.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I’m not trying to say anything about the kid, but it’s just shoddy journalism run amok.
Preposterous to incessantly flash photos of a police mugshot of the one guy from a prior incident — and no, obviously that has been in no way downplayed by the media — and a smiling 12-year-old when the person was a 6-3 17-year-old with a bit of a spotty record.
Now there are reports of witnesses saying that Martin was the agressor knocking Zimmerman out that corroborate Zimmerman’s account to police and injuries he had sustained when police arrived on the scene.
I’m not pretending to know what happened. I have an idea of what I suspected, but I really don’t know. But the sensationalistic reporting has been a travesty.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Money is the medium exchange. Wealth is what you produce. Don’t confuse the two.
The state does not produce anything, it only consumes.
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WRONG AGAIN!
Where do you think our advanced technology research, comes from? The Technology that brought men to the moon? the Technology that brought man to the bottom of the oceans? That entreprueners were able to capitalize on to bring you your Ron Paul Website?
US Govt Reasearch, the founder of Bell Labs, and many others.
It’s not so simple, 2cents.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Raider O Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Thec,
Why is this such an issue, but not all the innocent blk kids that are killed daily by other blk gang members & thugs?
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Loss of life at any hands is bad, does not matter who the killer is.
I will say that with what we have gone thru in this country with the lynchings, and discrimination makes what zimmerman did worse in some eyes. You have to realize that a lot decendents from slaves still have open wounds from slavery that have not been healed.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raider O, most black people are murdered as a result of drug related crimes, or robberies. And I agree, that is a problem everyone should be addressing. What Zimmerman did was different. He saw a black kid wearing a hoodie, stalked him, accosted him, tried to physically subdue him without warrant, then shot the kid when he tried to fight back. That is pure chaos, and it’s a brand of racism most Americans thought that this country had moved past. This needs to be addressed just as much as black on black crime, and as you can see, it will be.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Sully, it is an election year, they are pulling out all the stops to keep the economy from imploding. What you think is a recovery is merely government propaganda. Talk to me about a year from now.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
He had on a “Hoodie”, yeah and it was raining like hell outside, as well.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Chris in NY, it took you till today to realize journalism is shady? Like I said, they’re letting some things about Zimmerman slide, too, like the fact that he has a criminal record which includes an assault on a police officer and an assault on a woman. There’s just as much evidence of a media bias against Martin as there is a media bias against Zimmerman.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
KoolKell, you forgot to mention the Volt.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
KoolKell, isn’t that what we are doing, scamming the Chinese. The rhetoric has you all upset. In the end we will default on our obligations, but you are more concerned about the rhetoric.
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Did we ever replace the gold plated tungsten we sent to the chineese with real gold???
March 26th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
KoolKell, isn’t that what we are doing, scamming the Chinese. The rhetoric has you all upset. In the end we will default on our obligations, but you are more concerned about the rhetoric.
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How do you know we wouldn’t just “rework” that contract, instead of flat out defaulting? That is more likely what will happen, forgiving a bunch of that debt. (See Greece, Euro, Germany 2011-2012)
March 26th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Thec,
I know race is an issue in this country for a lot minorities but Blks and natives experienced a different level that I can only imagine.
My point is, I’m more concerned about blk kids and other minority kids being killed by gangs and peope who share the same ethnicity. Look at Mexicans gangs in CA & AZ.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
twocents, this depression must be so horrible. Like I asked you earlier, are you at a soup line right now with your lap top?
March 26th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
We live in confusing times. The government claims that without them we would be nothing. Some people believe them and vote.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Raider O,
Americans can be concerned about both black on black crime and the type of racism displayed by Zimmerman and the Sanford PD that let him walk free, all at the same time. And, America will be. You can count on it.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Sully,
I think we have bigger issues to be concerned about especially for minorities. Let’s try to keep our young minorities out of the prison system, get them a good education, and elevate their way of life to minimize crime that kills minorities and all Americans.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Twocents, just the fact you were so blantly wrong about the “jury of ones peers”, just goes to show, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
And these Charlatans out in rural radio land, are making a fortune off people, with fears and hysteria, and the basest? instincts.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Raider O, see comment 219. You’re absolutely right. We should be more concerned about black on black crime. But, at the same time, we can also be concerned about a growing problem of racist vigilantism…and we will be.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
O, question for you Bruh, how far back can you trace your lineage, and heritage?
March 26th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
For some reason this stupid a$$ed page wont load my comment, says “oops you already said that, blah blah” even though its not even posted on here.
Interesting statement 2cent…
“Money is the medium exchange. Wealth is what you produce..”
I will have to think about that for a bit, but just as an FYI, money doesn’t exist in an Anarchist society…and wealth is exactly what you produce…and what you produce is bartered and traded for other goods and services..which begs the question about technology: Who is going to barter and trade NASA to launch the next space mission–or who is going to barter and trade for the steel fabrication for the next Bay Bridge…? Answer: Nobody—The resources that the state provides the infrastructure for these things to happen will cease to exist..
March 26th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Education is key, too, Raider O. Good point. But believe it or not, Americans are capable of taking more than one thing serious at a time. Americans are capable of focusing on better educating poor minorities and eradicating the type of racism Zimmerman displayed, all at the same time. Part of being an adult is having more than one thing you have to take seriously, is it not? Does anyone just go through life taking only one thing seriously? Not smart.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Thec,
My family can trace it accurately for more than 7-8 centuries, after that it’s debatable.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
KookKell, and the New York Times and MSNBC are truth tellers, give me a break.
The issue is not between Republicans and Democrats. It has come down to those that believe in an all powerful state and those that believe in freedom. Freedom and liberty, KoolKell you don’t even understand the concept.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
We live in confusing times. The government claims that without them we would be nothing. Some people believe them and vote.
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I agree with you to a certain extent. Without Government, we would be a tribal society..and any other country with a Government and an Army, would enslave us..just like what we did to our friends, The Native Americans…Its because Other countries have governments and armies, that we do the same.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Sully,
Not saying we can’t focus on more than one issue, but what I’m saying is we shouldn’t lose focus of the real issues.
Minorities in prison, lack of education, improving their living standards, etc…
We shouldn’t allow the media that sells air time to dictate what is important and when.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Uh Raider O monkey, is talking politics, god forbid.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Thec Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
O, question for you Bruh, how far back can you trace your lineage, and heritage?
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I can trace mine back to the the 17th century. Ancestors came to Virginia from England.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
There is no denying the economy is recovering. And there can be no denying that the conservative policies were the very ones that caused the economy to tank. The economy is beginning a sustained period of slow growth. In spite of conservatives trying to tank it further.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
I am all for defending ourselves. I am against aggression to enrich the ruling class.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
KoolKell,
Looks like you found yourself a new dance partner.
Got to say, I am both relieved and jealous, lol.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I thought I was talking about race and society issues. Only an uneducated monkey would confuse that with politics.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Seymour, appologies, but you are an idiot.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Raider O Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
We shouldn’t allow the media that sells air time to dictate what is important and when.
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Thats the ‘American Idol’ phenomenon at its finest..”This person won a contest, we the media think that they are good, proceed to idolize..” and the scariest thing about it all is that people actually DO!
American Idol showcases everything that is wrong with our Society…hell, it even has the freaking word IDOL in it….
March 26th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Vegas,
I hope not! I usually ignore the monkeys, but I couldn’t resist today.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
The answer to the Trayvon killing?
More police. Yup, you heard Zimmerman claim that all these **** get away all the time on his 911 call.
Why do they get away? Because we don’t have enough police. If he had confidence the police would be there in a few minutes, he would have more than likely laid low.
More police = less need for dangerous Rent-A-Cops on a mission
March 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
More football talk, please
March 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
O,
I was talking more about TwoCents.
Him and KK butt heads about daily now.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Thec,
I’m assuming you asked about tracing my heritage for a reason? I think I know where you are going with this, but I like to hear your view.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
papertiger418 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
More football talk, please
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Cant wait to see what we can do with a healthy offense this year..McFadden and Palmer, full offseason with Jacoby, DHB, and Moore…! Gonna put up some points and move the chains..
March 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Seymour, appologies, but you are an idiot.
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I accept your apologies, but you have not proven even remotely one thing that you have espoused on here all night. It is just doom and gloom and the sky is falling and the society is going to crumble. Isn’t that the same fear that the conservatives have been spewing for decades? Bottom line two cents, people in America do not want a shack in the hills with a ruddy horse path down to town to buy a sack of mill grain. They want a stable managed society with goods and services and they are willing to pay for it. Is that not clear?
March 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Raider O, if you’re not a blog monkey, what are ya?
March 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Vegas,
Thank you Baby Jesus!!!
March 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Shhhhh
I’m trying to ignore the monkey. Maybe it will leave me alone!!!
Sssshhhhhh
March 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Twocents Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
I am all for defending ourselves. I am against aggression to enrich the ruling class.
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Absolutely
March 26th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
The only class I want to rule is the Raiders over the rest of the NFL. I am for aggression to enrich the team’s prospects.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
In all facets of life, and sports, their are winners and losers.
I don’t hate on the winners in life. More kudo’s to them.
It’s the losers that piss me off. Get it together!!!
March 26th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Raider O,
What Zimmerman did is a “real issue”, too.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Speaking of losers, Chris Simms just joined the Patriots coaching staff, per PFT.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
testing…
March 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raider O, most black people are murdered as a result of drug related crimes, or robberies. And I agree, that is a problem everyone should be addressing. What Zimmerman did was different. He saw a black kid wearing a hoodie, stalked him, accosted him, tried to physically subdue him without warrant, then shot the kid when he tried to fight back. That is pure chaos, and it’s a brand of racism most Americans thought that this country had moved past. This needs to be addressed just as much as black on black crime, and as you can see, it will be.
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That’s the narrative the media’s been pushing, but there’s a good chance it’s completely inaccurate.
My gut feeling (based on the little we do know): Zimmerman felt the kid was up to something, which he may or may not have been. Approached him out of the blue and said “who are you, what are you doing here.” Not clear at that point if the kid didn’t like Zimmerman’s tone or attitude or what (or maybe Zimmerman already had his gun drawn) and the kid took a swing at him and then started bashing the back of his head into the pavement. Maybe the kid was grabbing for the gun. Maybe not. Zimmerman gets control long enough to fire off one shot in the struggle. Turns out to be fatal.
Still a lot of holes in that and if Zimmerman did have his gun drawn would make all the difference in the world. Or who initiated the physical confrontation. But it now sounds as if that scenario of confusion, fear, and an escalating struggle on both sides that ended in tragedy is much more close to the truth than the media’s attempt to depict it as a “white-hispanic” man pulled up on an innocent kid (who we’re blatantly trying to portray as a helpless 12-year-old with this picture) and gunned him down because he was wearing a hoodie.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
The “issue” is more the law than the actions.
Zimmerman is very much smack dab in the middle of the grey area of a bizarre law.
Just months ago, in Florida as well, a hispanic guy chased down someone who was burgalarizing his house, chased him 3 blocks down the road and stabbed him 10 times and killed him.
No charges were filed.
Got to love the South.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
JFB,
You don’t hate on the winners in life?
Last I checked the president beat McCain in a landslide. You’ve been hating since day one.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
We’re all in this thing, together. that’s what some of you people, don’t want to hear.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Chris in NY, where did you hear that Martin was bashing Zimmerman’s head into the pavement?
The media.
The same media you accuse of having a bias against Zimmerman.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Sully,
Let me give you an example. An Iraqi woman was killed in El Cajon last week. Her 17 yo daughter found her laying in a pool of blood with a note that said “go back to your home your terrorists). How come this is not national news?
Btw, her husband works with the US military.
The media tells people to jump, and they ask how high. That’s my point.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Last I checked the president beat McCain in a landslide. You’ve been hating since day one.
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I appreciate BO’s rag to riches story, and it is inspirational to every child in this country.
Just don’t agree with his policy, other than extending the Bush tax cuts and keeping Guatanamo open.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
I think the only media coverage we should be whining about is that which is related to the Tebow presser; NFLN is now a 24hr Tebow screensaver.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Raider O, don’t disagree. But the media seems to skew facts that serve both sides of each issue. Like, for instance, Zimmerman. Yes, on one hand they’re only showing pictures of Martin from when he was 10. On the other hand, they’re hiding Zimmerman’s criminal past (and the fact that Martin has no criminal record to speak of). It cuts both ways. The media’s about money.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
188.8RaiderReign8 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
See it’s like this…
Hispanic = Spain = Europe = Caucasian
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Or…like this:
Pew Hispanic Center
Demographic Profiles of U.S. Hispanics by Country of Origin
September 16, 2009
More than eight-in-ten Hispanics self-identify themselves as being either of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Salvadoran or Dominican origin. Hispanics of Mexican origin are by far the largest group, accounting for nearly two-thirds of the Hispanic population in the U.S.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Seymour, it is clear to me what the majority of “Americans” want. Security, an easy life at the expense of others and world domination so that they can get scarce recourses at a bargain price.
Others have tried that course and they have failed and those that follow that path deserve what they get.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
You said you don’t hate on winners, JFB. You’re one of the biggest haters of the president in here. He got more votes in 2008 than any candidate in history, plus he commanded the military that toe tagged Bin Ladin. Still, nothing but hate from you. So I just don’t know if I buy your claim that you give props to the winners and hate the losers, etc.
March 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Chris in NY, where did you hear that Martin was bashing Zimmerman’s head into the pavement?
The media.
The same media you accuse of having a bias against Zimmerman.
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Fair enough. But this came out after days if not weeks of the national media beating the drum of racism, little kid gunned down for no reason, southern law enforcement turning a blind eye only because the kid was black, etc.
This account makes far more sense. The initial media account was much too simplistic and sensationalistic. Just never seemed plausible to me. This new depiction — based on reports of witness verification of Zimmerman’s story — is far more plausible to me.
Now if Zimmerman came up on the kid with his gun drawn, acting aggressive, etc., then the kid has every right to deck him and try to beat him down for his own self defense. But even in that case I don’t buy it as a hate crime assassination of a kid. It’s more likely a mixture of bad judgment, pride, fear, etc. by one or both parties.
March 26th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Chris, the same national media that “beat the drum of racism” also withheld Zimmerman’s criminal record, which includes assaulting a cop and a woman.
March 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Sully, are you paid to regurgitate statist propaganda or do you really belive it?
March 27th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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March 27th, 2012 at 6:18 am
None of it belongs on a blog called “Inside the Oakland Raiders,”
Raider O Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I thought I was talking about race and society issues. Only an uneducated monkey would confuse that with politics.