Wheeler comes aboard
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, March 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Update: Raiders officially announce Wheeler’s signing at 8 p.m.
Linebacker Philip Wheeler, wowed by the support of Raider fans on his Twitter account, was also suitably impressed by the organization.
The Raiders announced Friday night that they’ve signed Wheeler. NFL Network reported earlier that it’s a one-year deal.
Wheeler’s signing marked their second move of the day after acquiring running back Mike Goodson in exchange for third-year offensive tackle Bruce Campbell.
Wheeler visited the Raiders facility Thursday, a bit of news he reported himself on his Twitter account. He was immediately inundated with tweets of encouragement.
“Raider Nation showed love. Preciate that. Legendary place,” Wheeler tweeted.
With Wheeler filling the role of strong side linebacker, the Raiders starting defense under coordinator Jason Tarver and coach Dennis Allen shapes up like this:
RDE Matt Shaughnessy
DT Tommy Kelly
DT Richard Seymour
LDE Lamarr Houston
SLB Philip Wheeler
MLB Rolando McClain
WLB Aaron Curry
CB Ron Bartell
CB Shawntae Spencer
SS Tyvon Branch
FS Michael Huff
That’s assuming the Raiders run a 4-3 defense, of course. If Oakland finds a true nose tackle and switches to the 3-4, it will make for interesting deployment of the defensive line. Seymour has been a 3-4 end with New England Kelly has played end in a 4-3 but never played in a 3-4.
Shaughnessy seems ideally suited for a 4-3 end. Houston is a tweener in terms of being a three-technique in 4-3 or an end.
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March 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RAIDER NATION
March 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Wheeler is a good pickup
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Draft younggins for depth
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
NEED a NT, draft Ta’amu
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
TJONES > Goodson
March 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Need LB depth…
March 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Awesome news.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
This D will be better than last season
March 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Sorry hwndr, but I’ve got 640 million dollar winning ticket.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Jerry Mac on top of it…Only got scoped by the Semi’s
March 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
What’s up Thec?
March 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Jerry, you doing these updates from home???
March 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Hwnrdr, whats good Brother? All is well.
Gaslamp time…
March 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Sorry hwndr, but I’ve got 640 million dollar winning ticket.
LOL, forgot to repost my reply…
The Mega, more than one can share the wining ticket
March 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
I’m excited to see the product on the field!
March 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Gotta Jet… 1 NATION
March 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
In Reggie we trust raider nation baby welcome to Oakland Mr. Goodson
March 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Goodson and Wheeler are professional acquisitions.
Reggie is.
Personally I hope Carolina turns BruceSoup into a true beast as he seems like a good young man.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Welcome to the Black Hole Philip Wheeler. Thanks for the news Jer.!
March 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Late to the post, I we both win indeed Hwndr.
Great day for Raider Nation of the U.S.A. and beyond.
Raiders will be a top ten run defensive unit.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Leaf just got arrested for drugs, burglary, and theft; San Diego just reclaimed the bustology trophy.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
I hope we both win.
March 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Leaf currently on a ten year probation period.
Texas just lit up one death row inmate, his last words were go, cowboys.
Here in Spokane on Foxsportsradio, dj said great that’s one less Dallas fan we have to hear from; almost crashed while driving, laughing so hard.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
LDE: Bryant
DT: Seymour/ Houston
DT: TK/ Houston
RDE: Shaughnessy
SLB: Curry
MLB: McClain
WLB: Wheeler
CB: Bartell
CB: Spencer/ Chekwa, DVD
SS: Branch
FS: Huff
March 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
I hope we both win.
Well, I didn’t so…maybe it’s you?
March 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I love blue collar guys. I am sure we got him for a decent price. good job RM.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Reggie’s making lemonade out of lemons!
Look what he’s doing with one hand tied behind his back!
Mark is behind the scenes like he should be.
This Defense should be good enough to win the Divison.
We Can now draft a NT, LB, another young Lineman.
Things looking great!
March 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
wonder why all the 1-year deals.
Not like we have loads of depth to develop behind them.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I really see us drafting for depth.
Reggie knows what he’s doing.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Wheeler brings SB experience with him….
March 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Good pick up Reggie. Added bonus, Wheeler’s girl is some fine brown sugar.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
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March 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
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Uhh Danny Southwick ballin on tv right now??
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My boy Southwick!
March 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
In Reggie we trust raider nation baby welcome to Oakland Mr. Wheeler
March 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
So this is what’s it like watching a stable organization. I keep waiting for the bottom to fall out to see that we’ve signed McNabb.
Nice job Reggie.
March 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Good work Reggie! Hard working no names that will give maximum effort!
I’m really liking it!!!
Code Black!
March 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Ryan Leaf busted? Is that guy just a dummy or a drug addict? Dontcha think he’s got some money left? I guess not, man what a waste!
March 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Wheeler’s a good pickup. Would prob start Bryant over Houston.
Biggest missing ingredient now is a speed edge rush specialist or two.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever?module=HP11_cp
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March 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
http://www.nfl.com/
March 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I guess they figure offense is fairly much taken care of given the current constraints/mindset scepticism for back up QB. Now we can focus our energy back on the defense!! Oh yeah, we also need an affordable vet wide receiver. Ideas?
March 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Supposed to be “except for back up. QB” dang smarty phones!!!
March 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Reggie MacKenzie can build a team!
I am excited to see this year’s team, and I can’t wait to see the team he builds when he has money and draft picks!
Go Reggie! Go Raiders! Go Raider Nation!
March 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
alex7 Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
wonder why all the 1-year deals.
Not like we have loads of depth to develop behind them.
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They will perform in order to get new deals!
March 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Reality show: Leaf and JaMarcus both try to straighten their life out.
It actually would be pretty interesting…
March 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Reggie is turning chicken sh.. into chicken salad.
I am impressed.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
arkraider Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I guess they figure offense is fairly much taken care of given the current constraints/mindset scepticism for back up QB. Now we can focus our energy back on the defense!! Oh yeah, we also need an affordable vet wide receiver. Ideas?
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Backups?…BACKUPS?…you talking Backups?
We need to solidify our starting line-up…see what it is, make adjustments next year, and then build our back-ups.
Get your priorities in line with the Reg!
March 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Gotta admit though…If Reggie’s 1st pick is a CB, I gotta laugh!
March 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Need a NT & at least 2 more OLB’s. We need to run a 3-4. The 4-3 is just too predictable. With the 3-4 you never know for sure who’s coming from where. Seymour’s natural position is as a DE in a 3-4. Bryant can fill that roll also. Wonder how ShoNasty would work out as a tweener and play a rushing OLB in a 3-4? Let Curry & Romac stuff the middle while Wheeler and/or ShoNasty rush the QB. Goethal can compete for the ILB starters job. But, we need OLB depth badly. Maybe Groves should be signed if he’ll take minimum. He’s also a good ST player.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Our offense will be the same as last year.
On defense I guess we will finally find out if our problems were personel or scheme.
I vote scheme.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I vote accountability
March 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
TheC,
your love for T’amu is known. Say he is drafted before 95, who do you take then brotha?
March 30th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Reggie is putting in work…building street cred…
March 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
JB Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Need a NT & at least 2 more OLB’s. We need to run a 3-4. The 4-3 is just too predictable. With the 3-4 you never know for sure who’s coming from where. Seymour’s natural position is as a DE in a 3-4. Bryant can fill that roll also. Wonder how ShoNasty would work out as a tweener and play a rushing OLB in a 3-4? Let Curry & Romac stuff the middle while Wheeler and/or ShoNasty rush the QB. Goethal can compete for the ILB starters job. But, we need OLB depth badly. Maybe Groves should be signed if he’ll take minimum. He’s also a good ST player.
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pretty sure we come outta the draft with 2 lbers
March 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Curious to see what Allen will do with our D. Think we still have a need for Dline help but we have solid starters.
March 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Reggie is doing well so far, but let’s not give him all the credit. Al helped build this team.
Al got us:
Seymour
TK
Shaughnessy
Bryant
McClain
Huff
Branch
DMAC
Reece
DHB
Ford
Moore
Veldheer
Wiz
March 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Leaf just got arrested for drugs, burglary, and theft; San Diego just reclaimed the bustology trophy.
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Yeah, but Russel is still out ther. Young and under the influence of purple drank, then some….stay tuned.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
The Oracle, I am hoping Ta, amu of course however, if Chapman is on the board gotta take him. Either of those 2 gone, take the best olb on the board as we need Lbs…
March 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Look for heavy doses of competition… Only safe spot is at Qb
March 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
pretty sure we come outta the draft with at least 1 lber if he is the best available talent at that pick.
Reggie Knows!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Would love to move into the 2nd or early first and get Bobby Wagner….
March 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The draft is April 26-27.
Looking forward to it.
I love turning B Campbell into a running back and signing a free agent to take Wimbley’s place.
Go Reggie!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
CP giving good words regarding Eddie McGee WR. Maybe we’ve got another D-WOW type diamond in the rough. That’d be nice.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Sorry that’s early third.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Gomer Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever?module=HP11_cp
I think they are playing that song! Congratulations to the 1976 Oakland Raiders again – still champions after all these years! That’s the team that overcame the Steel Curtain not once but twice in one year and avenged the 1972 immaculate ripoff!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Any take care Fam… 1 NATION
March 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
alex7 Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
wonder why all the 1-year deals.
Not like we have loads of depth to develop behind them.
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They will perform in order to get new deals!
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You guys need to notice how many of these guys are recovering from injury. First, they’re not proven to be healthy…second, they still have a lot to prove.
Caution with the long-term contracts just yet. Once a few of these guys pan-out, ReggieMcK will get them those contracts…but, we need to be fortunate with a number of their recoveries first.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Kirk Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The draft is April 26-27.
Looking forward to it.
I love turning B Campbell into a running back and signing a free agent to take Wimbley’s place.
Go Reggie!
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ain’t that the truth…Go Reggie…Go Raiders!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Here’s a thought to cheer Raider Nation between now and August…
Palmer and McFadden have never been on the field at the same time.
And then you add Ford and Denarius Moore…
March 30th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
McFadden — Thanks for carrying the baton on the NFL Bracketology survey the past few days…excellent work.
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Gomer Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever?module=HP11_cp
I think they are playing that song! Congratulations to the 1976 Oakland Raiders again – still champions after all these years! That’s the team that overcame the Steel Curtain not once but twice in one year and avenged the 1972 immaculate ripoff!
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Thanks McFadden2000 for you efforts!!!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
It’s our year!
March 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
test
March 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Congratulations, McFadden20! ‘76 Raiders greatest of all time! You earned it, buddy.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
56 nails it.
Raiders are ready to compete this year but it has very little to do with Goodson, Bartell, etc. Nothing against those guys and I hope they turn out to be solid contributors.
If the Raiders make a run in 2012 and the coming years it’ll be because of guys like McFadden, Shaughnessy, Veldheer, Kelly, Seymour, Moore, Wiz, Ford, Huff, Branch, Reece and so on.
Try not to forget that in all your Al bashing.
P.S. – And of course Palmer, though that was a Hue move.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Jesus F’N C…..Ta’amu isnt going to make it past 54..let alone to the freakin 90’s. Forget about him. #pipedream.
March 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Thec Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
The Oracle, I am hoping Ta, amu of course however, if Chapman is on the board gotta take him. Either of those 2 gone, take the best olb on the board as we need Lbs…
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OK. my projection.
3-Jamell Fleming-CB- OU Bobby Massie-OT- ole Miss
4/5-Vinny Curry or Malik Jackson-DE or Nick Jean-Baptiste NT
6-Audie Cole (MLB that s/b OLB)or Demario Davis-OLB
7-Akiem Hicks-DT
Raiders can stay away from the talent positions cause they aint that deep this year anyway…
March 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Lets not plug Wheeler in as a starter yet fellas. Good addition but lets not let it go tour heads. He has buck though…
March 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Wheeler comes aboard
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Friday, March 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Update: Raiders officially announce Wheeler’s signing at 8 p.m.
Linebacker Philip Wheeler, wowed by the support of Raider fans on his Twitter account, was also suitably impressed by the organization.
The Raiders announced Friday night that they’ve signed Wheeler. NFL Network reported earlier that it’s a one-year deal.
Wheeler’s signing marked their second move of the day after acquiring running back Mike Goodson in exchange for third-year offensive tackle Bruce Campbell.
Wheeler visited the Raiders facility Thursday, a bit of news he reported himself on his Twitter account. He was immediately inundated with tweets of encouragement.
“Raider Nation showed love. Preciate that. Legendary place,” Wheeler tweeted.
With Wheeler filling the role of strong side linebacker, the Raiders starting defense under coordinator Jason Tarver and coach Dennis Allen shapes up like this:
RDE Matt Shaughnessy
DT Tommy Kelly
DT Richard Seymour
LDE Lamarr Houston
SLB Philip Wheeler
MLB Rolando McClain
WLB Aaron Curry
CB Ron Bartell
CB Shawntae Spencer
SS Tyvon Branch
FS Michael Huff
That’s assuming the Raiders run a 4-3 defense, of course. If Oakland finds a true nose tackle and switches to the 3-4, it will make for interesting deployment of the defensive line. Seymour has been a 3-4 end with New England Kelly has played end in a 4-3 but never played in a 3-4.
Shaughnessy seems ideally suited for a 4-3 end. Houston is a tweener in terms of being a three-technique in 4-3 or an end.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/03/30/report-wheeler-comes-aboard/
March 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
March 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Good Job so fsr RM!
March 30th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Thanks guys, I really appreciate it for all the help I got from u guys , I think alot of u guys deserve kudos for this thing, it just shows how much strong the Nation is … Let’s support Our team with the same determination as we showed for our voting for 76 team … CODE BLACK …
1 Nation – Greatest fans – fans of the Greatest team of all time
March 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
This are really good signing’s , Goodman an wheeler might not start but they should give us good depth for our team , something we lacked dearly last year
March 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
These^^^*** are
March 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
nut case professor been tweeting about his dueces. typical 0niner fan, lettin everybody know he’s about to drop a duece. save it for your cast of ‘actors’.
March 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
We just need a TE for depth n competition for starter , a Veteran WR , a back up QB, a few O line guys n we will b set on O , then we can set our eyes on D
March 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Yeah McFadden 20…way to go. You were committed to seeing this through and pumping people up.
I bet NFLN is like “Wow! Lot of Raider fans out there”.
March 30th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Yeah McFadden 20…way to go. You were committed to seeing this through and pumping people up.
I bet NFLN is like “Wow! Lot of Raider fans out there”.
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Thank you DJ Johnny , I really wanted this for the Nation , n would have done anything for us to win … I’m really happy, because I have fellow fans like u n others who were in this through the end … N like the team of 76 , we pulled it through in the end .. I knew we had the best fans in the NFL , what just happened today just reenforced the fact n let everybody know, we’ll always be the best n will take our rightful place at top this year
March 31st, 2012 at 12:38 am
Okay, so defense definitely better than last year.
Offense could be much better than last year. More comfortable with each other and a QB who isn’t coming out of retirement and onto the starting job with no time in between. He’ll be more in sync etc. WE could be a top 5 offense showing what we did totally unprepared and with all the injuries.
Top 5 offense + middle of the pack defense would be definite playoff.
The only question…will Knapp hold us back…
March 31st, 2012 at 12:39 am
Reggie got the best of the Goodson/Campbell trade being that Campbell probably won’t be in the league past this season.
Goodson can run, and with the confidence of possibly gaining #2 position as RB with the Raiders, may shine.
He can be taught not to fumble and seems impressive as a receiver. The best part is that he comes cheap.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:45 am
Reggie knows who can play and who cant
Ron Wolf
March 31st, 2012 at 12:48 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:38 am
Okay, so defense definitely better than last year.
Offense could be much better than last year.
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Tell me, why is the defense going to be “definitely better than last year”. We have a brand new head coach, a brand new DC, and we lost our starting corners.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:52 am
Let’s beging with this, we added 4 CB’s two of starter calibers , our other 2 CB’s should improve from being in 2nd year of their careers..
March 31st, 2012 at 12:53 am
begin^^^** n that’s a reply to post above
March 31st, 2012 at 12:54 am
N also we have a head coach who’s D minded , a d coordinator who had his D constantly in Top 10 , n really we only lost one starting CB not two
March 31st, 2012 at 12:56 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:52 am
Let’s begin with this, we added 4 CB’s two of starter calibers , our other 2 CB’s should improve from being in 2nd year of their careers..
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Very good. “We need to improve the secondary.” Reggie McKenize.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:57 am
And the stalwart leaders of our defense, Seymour and Kelly (who most of you foolishly don’t like) are very primed to come back and go to work.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:58 am
92.Seymour Bush Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:48 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:38 am
Okay, so defense definitely better than last year.
Offense could be much better than last year.
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Tell me, why is the defense going to be “definitely better than last year”. We have a brand new head coach, a brand new DC, and we lost our starting corners.
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The reason the D will be better this season than last is because of the attenuation of the AD taint, and the release of under-performing players who were worthless. At least now we have players who want to play and win. Also our HC is focused on D and will make that a priority.
Over the next year we will hopefully release Seymour and several more of his ilk and acquire some real run stoppers, now that we have coaching personnel who know how to stop the run in the modern game.
Our sad and pitiful secondary is better just by firing Routt. Also we got rid of slug Nnamdi, the no shut-down, shut-down corner legend, saving huge sums to develop young actual shut-down corners in the future, akin to the likes of Lester Hayes and Rod Woodson. To call a CB who has only intercepted 11 passes in 9 seasons is sick and disparages true shut-down corners.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:02 am
To call a CB who has only intercepted 11 passes in 9 seasons a “shut-down” corner is sick and disparages true shut-down corners. Nnamdi is a fraud and those, including Corky, who perpetrate such a montrous delusion should be banned from football.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:07 am
Hardline Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:02 am
To call a CB who has only intercepted 11 passes in 9 seasons a “shut-down” corner is sick and disparages true shut-down corners. Nnamdi is a fraud and those, including Corky, who perpetrate such a montrous delusion should be banned from football.
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There is no doubt that he was our best player on the D but we really couldn’t tell if he was truly a shutdown corner , because QB’s avoided him cuz our other CB’s , n safeties n Line Backers sucked so bad ..
March 31st, 2012 at 1:08 am
All those putting up 4-3 defences are wasting their time
March 31st, 2012 at 1:09 am
and we lost our starting corners.
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Pfft! You really miss Routt and his league leading penalties & TDs allowed?
March 31st, 2012 at 1:09 am
N also our total scheme sucked so bad that it was so easy to avoid our best coverage guy guy on D
March 31st, 2012 at 1:10 am
Just watch as Reggie and Allen improve the D with much less salary.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:10 am
The Ghost Of Al Davis Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:09 am
and we lost our starting corners.
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Pfft! You really miss Routt and his league leading penalties & TDs allowed?
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He said starting corners , I really wonder if he thinks Lito Sheppard or Chris Johnson were starting caliber
March 31st, 2012 at 1:14 am
S Routt was a # 2 CB n we replaced him with a pretty good #1 CB Bartell (when healthy)
March 31st, 2012 at 1:14 am
Lester Hayes had 39 INT’s in 8 seasons with the Raiders; feared and despised, one could smell the blood when Hayes entered the field of play. I witnessed it many times.
Nnamdi is a trained monkey chained on the shoulder of King Kong, (King Kong being Lester Hayes for all of you too dim to catch the analogy.)
If you really want to make a comparison look at Rod Woodson’s 71 INT’s over the course of his career; he made 10 INT’s in 2 seasons with the Raiders and scored 2 TD’s. Nnamdi can’t even be compared in the same light.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:16 am
100.mcfadden20. Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:07 am
Hardline Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:02 am
There is no doubt that he was our best player on the D but we really couldn’t tell if he was truly a shutdown corner , because QB’s avoided him cuz our other CB’s , n safeties n Line Backers sucked so bad ..
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True, Nnamdi may have been the best player on our D at the time, but believe me, these weren’t the 1976 Raiders.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:20 am
Hardline Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:16 am
100.mcfadden20. Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:07 am
Hardline Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:02 am
There is no doubt that he was our best player on the D but we really couldn’t tell if he was truly a shutdown corner , because QB’s avoided him cuz our other CB’s , n safeties n Line Backers sucked so bad ..
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True, Nnamdi may have been the best player on our D at the time, but believe me, these weren’t the 1976 Raiders.
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True that , no one can take the place of 76 Raiders .. Greatest team of all time
March 31st, 2012 at 1:25 am
[...] Just yesterday Wheeler Tweeted that he was on his way to visit Oakland. It didn’t take long for Raider Nation to encourage the free agent linebacker and now former Indianapolis Colt to go ahead and start looking for a place to live in the Bay. So overwhelmed by the instant encouragement from football’s most faithful fan base, Wheeler decided wearing Silver and Black was the only way to spend Sunday’s next fall. He again Tweeted as much today. [...]
March 31st, 2012 at 1:34 am
yes thank you mcfadden20 for turning my attention to that vote… i must have voted over 500 times, easily! i know a bunch of ravens’ fans that are PISSED right now -even though now they’re saying it was cheap because there’s more Raider fans out there and they get to vote as many times as they want – excuses, excuses.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:36 am
Wheeler and Goodson are ALL GOOD to me…
depth is key in this league, as what was said above. Wheeler will most definitely start on this currently weak line backing corps – i expect him to keep his job and get resigned next year after he’s had a 100+ tackle season.
Goodson does catch balls well out of the backfield. he will be given much opportunity once McFragile goes down in week 5. in a ZBS, he will thrive off the screens!
March 31st, 2012 at 1:44 am
Xraided Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:34 am
yes thank you mcfadden20 for turning my attention to that vote… i must have voted over 500 times, easily! i know a bunch of ravens’ fans that are PISSED right now -even though now they’re saying it was cheap because there’s more Raider fans out there and they get to vote as many times as they want – excuses, excuses.
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They also had the benefit of having the most Recent team 00 many fans who voted were prolly not even born during the 70’s , so they prolly voted for the Ravens , n also because it’s the Raiders , a team that’s hated by everybody outside of Nation .. So they prolly got 95% of votes from them too .. It’s amazing we won , considering all the factors ..
March 31st, 2012 at 1:46 am
N thank you XRaided , your an example why we have the best fans in the world , much appreciated ..
March 31st, 2012 at 5:02 am
Rod Woodson was a 31 draft pick who was touted for greatness when he came out of Purdue. He was so fast he briefly considered pro track. Due to injuries & erosion he successfully transitioned to FS with the Ravens. That was the position he played for Oakland.
Hayes was one of the best pickups Al ever made. He played OLB, for chrissakes @ Texas A & M. He probably saw something reminiscent to Willie Brown, who made a similar transition from college to the pros.
Nnamdi was a converted safety that was ticketed as a third round draft pick. All this angst about someone who had no supporting cast on “D” here in Oaktown. Hayes played opposite Mike Haynes, arguably one of the best CB’s of all time (acquired via trade half way through Hayes’ career); Charles Woodson was plying his craft while Rod was a Raider.
Rod & Lester both made Superbowl apperances while Raiders; Asmougha had nothing approaching that amount of success, playing in the nadir of the Raiders history. Why beat Nnamdi up for capatiaizing on his talent? It’s not like he wanted to leave. Hue & the coaching staff lobbied Al to keep him on board. It’s Al who preferred to keep Rout, who I wouldn’t have drafted @ the place he was taken (wanted Michael Roos, now one of the best LOT’s in the league in his stead) anyway; woulda taken him in the third round. . .
So why sully a relative good day to be a Raider fan with such angst? Especially when it is on a vitriol level?
What an unfair comparison!
March 31st, 2012 at 5:04 am
Rod Woodson was a #1 draft pick who was touted for greatness when he came out of Purdue. He was so fast he briefly considered pro track. Due to injuries & erosion he successfully transitioned to FS with the Ravens. That was the position he played for Oakland.
Hayes was one of the best pickups Al ever made. He played OLB, for chrissakes @ Texas A & M. He probably saw something reminiscent to Willie Brown, who made a similar transition from college to the pros.
Nnamdi was a converted safety that was ticketed as a third round draft pick. All this angst about someone who had no supporting cast on “D” here in Oaktown. Hayes played opposite Mike Haynes, arguably one of the best CB’s of all time (acquired via trade half way through Hayes’ career); Charles Woodson was plying his craft while Rod was a Raider.
Rod & Lester both made Superbowl apperances while Raiders; Asmougha had nothing approaching that amount of success, playing in the nadir of the Raiders history. Why beat Nnamdi up for capatiaizing on his talent? It’s not like he wanted to leave. Hue & the coaching staff lobbied Al to keep him on board. It’s Al who preferred to keep Rout, who I wouldn’t have drafted @ the place he was taken (wanted Michael Roos, now one of the best LOT’s in the league in his stead) anyway; woulda taken him in the third round. . .
So why sully a relative good day to be a Raider fan with such angst? Especially when it is on a vitriol level?
What an unfair comparison!
March 31st, 2012 at 5:23 am
That’s assuming the Raiders run a 4-3 defense, of course. If Oakland finds a true nose tackle and switches to the 3-4, it will make for interesting deployment of the defensive line
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4-3 is finished here Jer,DA just dont wanna tip his hand..DL coach Terrell Williams has rarely ever coached 4-3 DL and Tarver is also a 3-4 guy the pieces are being added im expecting 2 or 3 more Lbs and a NT Wheeler can go in or out…Houston / Shonasty / Bryant can bulk, 4-3 is DONE this its a new era
March 31st, 2012 at 5:49 am
Kelly has played end in a 4-3 but never played in a 3-4.
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Jerry Mac is a tard. TK played 3-4 DE as a rookie in 2004 (under Rob Ryan – first year as DC)
March 31st, 2012 at 6:30 am
118, I thought I sensed an error by the local town crier. . .good recollection. . .
March 31st, 2012 at 6:40 am
Ummm
2 players who will come in day 1 and contribute…
I can digg it ReggieMac
1 nation
Unda God!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Wow
This wheeler guy had 100 tackles last year
And da colts just let him walk???
I kno it’s not cuz of age he has 2 be young because I neva heard of him before…
Or maybe dat has more 2 do wit dat he played in Indy last year
Well let’s juz hope he bring his 100 tackles wit him to Oak-town
March 31st, 2012 at 7:28 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Yeah McFadden 20…way to go. You were committed to seeing this through and pumping people up.
I bet NFLN is like “Wow! Lot of Raider fans out there”.
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McFadden
Thanks. I was sitting at home sick and when I saw one of your posts with about 2 hours to go and I just starting voting and voting and voting. I did not even know until your post you could vote over and over again. That 2000 Ravens team probably would have lost to the 2000 Raiders (let alone the 76 ones) if fat Tony would not of late hit and sat on Gannon fracturing his ribs (I wonder if there was a bounty on that?).
I hope the recognition for the “5 seed” will get pundits to think through what they are basing all their “best teams of all time” prognosigations on. By all rights that team should have been at least a 2 seed.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:38 am
In Reply to Post #92 I am reposting this post from Yesturday. I really do think we will be better:
How can anyone realistically expect this team, even with late round picks and UDFAs added later to be a better team?…………..
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Let us look at what we really have lost:
1. QB Lost JC but gained CP with a full offseason. I think we have greatly improved there. TP with an offseason and pickup better than KB.
2. TE Lost – Boss: The reality is Boss was not a big part of this offense last year. CP thinks Ausberry is going to break out and Meyers played as much as Boss – I think we are about even here (I know many thought we lost a lot)
3. C Loss – Satelle: I think this hurts most think the line will be improved with Brissel at RG and Carlise at LG but Wiz was good at LG. Wiz is probably a better center than Sattelle but worried with left guard – We take a step back here along with the new scheme.
4. RB – Bush: Big loss if McFad gets hurt otherwise not a big deal – it is all about McFad’s health. Jones and others will get a chance to step up.
After this all other losses on offense are fringe players,
Defense
Loss of Starting Corners: Routt and Johnson: Johnson was not really healthy all year and LS played more than CJ. Routt was the most penalized defensive player but was good at staying near receivers. Bartell if healthy is similar to Routt be it older and less penalized. Shantee is better than LS or an injured CJ so this side is actually an upgrade. The two depth picks are better than what we had off the street last year. Overall I think this position is an upgrade but most are “deeply worried” Note most of these deeply worried people are not even Raider fans.
2. Loss of Wimbley: Big loss not doubt but truth be told he was not that effective last year. Having MS back and keeping Bryant and Houston is very helpful here. If we can get a LB that can cover and stop run we might even be better off. Hopefully the guy from Indy will sign and we can offer him something a little over the vet minimum.
3. Loss of Matt Gio: I think this is a dumb loss, I don’t understand why we do not resign him. He was not only helpful when he came in but also good in ST. He is a great backup but he might think he is a starter?
3a. Other defenses depth: Most were fringe players – Jarvis Moss or players at end of Carreer Henderson.
4. Loss of RC. I think this may hurt if we do not refill in with new players interested in excelling on ST.
Overall we have added depth to the secondary, kept the OL ok, and have not lost much with shedding a lot of big salaries. Compared to last year opening day we have a better QB and WR situation, good OL situation, DL about the same. The one glaring area still is LB both OLB and depth and this still can be addresssed. Also RB is a little more precarious than last year.
The sky is not falling here compared to what it could have been…
March 31st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Please note that in #123 the Raiders had not picked up Goodsen or had gotten Wheeler yet. They are even in better shape now. I obviously am no expert but it sure seems like RM knows how to patch together a team. Goodsen and Lee actually make up for RC going away. However Goodsen a better RB than RC and can add depth at that position as well.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:50 am
Heard Colts let Wheeler go because they are switching defensive system.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Let us look at what we really have lost:
1. QB Lost JC but gained CP with a full offseason. I think we have greatly improved there. TP with an offseason and pickup better than KB.
AGREED. GAINED IN QB DEPARTMENT.
2. TE Lost – Boss: The reality is Boss was not a big part of this offense last year. CP thinks Ausberry is going to break out and Meyers played as much as Boss – I think we are about even here (I know many thought we lost a lot)
NOT MUCH OF A LOSS, AS YOU SAY WAS BARELY USED. BIGGER LOSS LAST YEAR WHEN WE PICKED UP BOSS ACTUALLY.
3. C Loss – Satelle: I think this hurts most think the line will be improved with Brissel at RG and Carlise at LG but Wiz was good at LG. Wiz is probably a better center than Sattelle but worried with left guard – We take a step back here along with the new scheme.
THIS WORRIES ME A BIT. THOUGHT LINE WAS VERY SOLID LAST YEAR. NOW HAVE TO PICK UP NEW SCHEME AND PLAY NEXT TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THOUGHT OUT LEFT SIDE LOOKED GREAT WITH TWO YOUNG PEOPLE THAT COULD PLAY NEXT TO EACH OTHER FOR YEARS. HOW WILL THESE GUYS NOW REACT TO HAVING TO LEARN A NEW SYSTEM, A LOT OF WHICH IS READ AND REACT WITH NEW PEOPLE NEXT TO THEM?
4. RB – Bush: Big loss if McFad gets hurt otherwise not a big deal – it is all about McFad’s health. Jones and others will get a chance to step up.
BUSH IS A FAIR LOSS, BUT NOT HUGE. HE REALLY DIDN’T PLAY THAT WELL DOWN THE STRETCH. AS A COMPLEMENTARY BACK BUSH WAS GREAT. IF MCFADDEN GOES DOWN AGAIN, BUSH PLAYED WELL A COUPLE GAMES AND THEN LOOKED TIRED.
Defense
Loss of Starting Corners: Routt and Johnson: Johnson was not really healthy all year and LS played more than CJ. Routt was the most penalized defensive player but was good at staying near receivers. Bartell if healthy is similar to Routt be it older and less penalized. Shantee is better than LS or an injured CJ so this side is actually an upgrade. The two depth picks are better than what we had off the street last year. Overall I think this position is an upgrade but most are “deeply worried” Note most of these deeply worried people are not even Raider fans.
2. Loss of Wimbley: Big loss not doubt but truth be told he was not that effective last year. Having MS back and keeping Bryant and Houston is very helpful here. If we can get a LB that can cover and stop run we might even be better off. Hopefully the guy from Indy will sign and we can offer him something a little over the vet minimum.
3. Loss of Matt Gio: I think this is a dumb loss, I don’t understand why we do not resign him. He was not only helpful when he came in but also good in ST. He is a great backup but he might think he is a starter?
3a. Other defenses depth: Most were fringe players – Jarvis Moss or players at end of Carreer Henderson.
4. Loss of RC. I think this may hurt if we do not refill in with new players interested in excelling on ST.
Overall we have added depth to the secondary, kept the OL ok, and have not lost much with shedding a lot of big salaries. Compared to last year opening day we have a better QB and WR situation, good OL situation, DL about the same. The one glaring area still is LB both OLB and depth and this still can be addresssed. Also RB is a little more precarious than last year.
The sky is not falling here compared to what it could have been…
YOU’RE FORGETTING COACHING WHICH IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE:
DEFENSIVELY I THINK WE HAVE GAINED A LOT. ONLY WEAKNESS IS INEXPERIENCE. OUR NEW DC HASN’T EVER BEEN A DC ON ANY(UL) LEVEL OR MADE THE CALLS ON DEFENSE ANY LEVEL BEFORE. BUT OUR DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACH I THINK WILL MAKE UP FOR THAT AND OUR DEFENSE SHOULD JUMP UP QUITE A BIT, EVEN WITH THE LOSSES IN PERSONNEL.
OFFENSIVELY WE LOST A STEP. HUE WAS GREAT(UL) WHEN HE WAS O-COORDINATOR. AS HC, HE STILL WAS INNOVATIVE WHEN AL SAUNDERS TOOK OVER AS OC. NOW KNAPP TAKES OVER WHO RUNS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCHEME.
LOSS IN CONTINUITY, AND ALSO IN MAXIMIZING THE STRENGTHS OF THE TYPE OF WEAPONS WE HAVE.
MAIN QUESTIONS:
WILL KNAPP OPEN IT UP AND USE OUR EXPLOSIVE WEAPONS, OR TRY TO TURN CARSON PALMER INTO RICH GANNON (SHORT TIMED PASSES WITH MOVING POCKET RELYING A LOT ON PLAYACTION). OUR WRS AREN’T MADE FOR THAT (THEY’RE NOT TIM BROWN AND JERRY RICE FOR SURE WHO WERE SHIFTIER THAN THEY WERE FAST). OUR QB ISN’T MADE FOR THAT (NOT THE MOST MOBILE, AND IS ONE OF THE MOST ACCURATE DEEP BALL THROWERS IN THE NFL NOW, BUT NOT REALLY ACCURATE WHILE ON THE MOVE AND ON THE SHORTER TIMED ROUTES).
AND, WILL OUR RB’S BE ABLE TO ADJUST WHERE THEY HAVE TO READ AND REACT MORE THAN JUST “HIT HOLE B AND HIT THE JUICE”. MCFADDEN LOOKED MUCH(UL) MORE CONFIDENT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAN HE DID UNDER THE ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME. MAYBE NOW WITH MORE EXPERIENCE HE’LL BE ABLE TO ADJUST BETTER…
THAT’S THE BIGGEST THING, I THINK. AS FAR AS PERSONNEL, IT’S SMALL LOSSES, AND I THINK WE’LL MISS WIMBLEY’S PRESSURE THE MOST.
ON COACHING IT’S HUGE GAIN DEFENSIVELY, I THINK PRETTY BIG LOSS OFFENSIVELY. LET’S SEE.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:53 am
I think this a good time to note that Priest once told us Bruce Campbell’s “ability to pull” reminded him of Gene Upshaw.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:55 am
Violent Hands Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 5:23 am
That’s assuming the Raiders run a 4-3 defense, of course. If Oakland finds a true nose tackle and switches to the 3-4, it will make for interesting deployment of the defensive line
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4-3 is finished here Jer,DA just dont wanna tip his hand..DL coach Terrell Williams has rarely ever coached 4-3 DL and Tarver is also a 3-4 guy the pieces are being added im expecting 2 or 3 more Lbs and a NT Wheeler can go in or out…Houston / Shonasty / Bryant can bulk, 4-3 is DONE this its a new era
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you’re on the money
March 31st, 2012 at 7:57 am
Hardline Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:02 am
To call a CB who has only intercepted 11 passes in 9 seasons a “shut-down” corner is sick and disparages true shut-down corners. Nnamdi is a fraud and those, including Corky, who perpetrate such a montrous delusion should be banned from football.
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Well, here’s what I say to that:
Opposing QBs always talked him up the last couple years here.
I remember battles watching some games (like against Texans where Andre Johnson actually was lined up against him the whole game) which were physical as hell and almost entirely took Johnson out of the game.
When he did match up and I could see him, or when they showed replays around the field, he was almost always all over his receiver.
The thing is, I think he really specialised as a man-to-man corner and when asked to do other things wasn’t as good at it. But he really was kick-azz at what we asked him to do.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Dennis Allen is a 4-3 guy though isn’t he?
I think we will be so diverse by years end, this 3-4 or 4-3 talk will go down as one of the most talked about but least important topics on this here board.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:59 am
But i envision Shaughnessy a 3-4 OLB.
Bryant a definite 3-4 DE.
Houston probably a 3-4 DE.
Kelly and Seymour will start at DE with Bryant/Houston providing rotation till they eventually take over.
A true NT is on the cards.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:01 am
@123
We gained in the QB department (Palmer better than Campbell)…And Palmer with some time with his receivers and in game-shape better than Palmer out of retirement suddenly.
Boss ain’t much of a loss. Barely got involved last year. Miller to Boss is a bigger loss last year than Boss to what we have.
The O-Line I think is a potential big loss as far as continuity. They played good. Now we have 3 people either new or playing in new positions. And a new scheme which is a read and react.
Bush is a pretty big loss as a complementary back, but when Mc Fadden went down, after 2 games he looked beat up and exhausted. Didn’t play well teh last 5-6 games. We’ll survive.
As I posted above:
YOU’RE FORGETTING COACHING WHICH IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE:
DEFENSIVELY I THINK WE HAVE GAINED A LOT. ONLY WEAKNESS IS INEXPERIENCE. OUR NEW DC HASN’T EVER BEEN A DC ON ANY(UL) LEVEL OR MADE THE CALLS ON DEFENSE ANY LEVEL BEFORE. BUT OUR DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACH I THINK WILL MAKE UP FOR THAT AND OUR DEFENSE SHOULD JUMP UP QUITE A BIT, EVEN WITH THE LOSSES IN PERSONNEL.
OFFENSIVELY WE LOST A STEP. HUE WAS GREAT(UL) WHEN HE WAS O-COORDINATOR. AS HC, HE STILL WAS INNOVATIVE WHEN AL SAUNDERS TOOK OVER AS OC. NOW KNAPP TAKES OVER WHO RUNS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCHEME.
LOSS IN CONTINUITY, AND ALSO IN MAXIMIZING THE STRENGTHS OF THE TYPE OF WEAPONS WE HAVE.
MAIN QUESTIONS:
WILL KNAPP OPEN IT UP AND USE OUR EXPLOSIVE WEAPONS, OR TRY TO TURN CARSON PALMER INTO RICH GANNON (SHORT TIMED PASSES WITH MOVING POCKET RELYING A LOT ON PLAYACTION). OUR WRS AREN’T MADE FOR THAT (THEY’RE NOT TIM BROWN AND JERRY RICE FOR SURE WHO WERE SHIFTIER THAN THEY WERE FAST). OUR QB ISN’T MADE FOR THAT (NOT THE MOST MOBILE, AND IS ONE OF THE MOST ACCURATE DEEP BALL THROWERS IN THE NFL NOW, BUT NOT REALLY ACCURATE WHILE ON THE MOVE AND ON THE SHORTER TIMED ROUTES).
AND, WILL OUR RB’S BE ABLE TO ADJUST WHERE THEY HAVE TO READ AND REACT MORE THAN JUST “HIT HOLE B AND HIT THE JUICE”. MCFADDEN LOOKED MUCH(UL) MORE CONFIDENT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAN HE DID UNDER THE ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME. MAYBE NOW WITH MORE EXPERIENCE HE’LL BE ABLE TO ADJUST BETTER…
THAT’S THE BIGGEST THING, I THINK. AS FAR AS PERSONNEL, IT’S SMALL LOSSES, AND I THINK WE’LL MISS WIMBLEY’S PRESSURE THE MOST.
ON COACHING IT’S HUGE GAIN DEFENSIVELY, I THINK PRETTY BIG LOSS OFFENSIVELY. LET’S SEE.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:01 am
The key is the experience and history of the positional coaches. DL, LB, and DC. They’re 3-4 guys. The thing with the 3-4 is that you can rotate an OLB into a downlineman off the edge that looks/plays like a 4-3. That’s why they say 3-4/4-3 is kinda not strict, it’s the ‘technique’ played.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:02 am
When we play some 3-4 this year, I wouldn’t at all be suprised to see Desmond Bryant at NT.
He is both the strongest and one of the smartest guys on the team.
He won’t be the only NT to get some run, but I think he will be down there at times.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Kind of like the Ratcliffe guy for Dallas who plays some nose, and is not a “fat guy” but a leaner, super strong dude you don’t like to mess with.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
JFB…
I’m a massive fan of Bryant after watching in action last year. Imo he’s better than Shaughnessy simply because he is incredibly strong at the point of attack, seals the edge against the run, fights thru blocks, but also nifty as an edge rusher. Shaughnessy is good in all these aspects, but not as good in 2010 as Bryant was in 2011 in these aspects.
Bryant ‘could’ play NT, but I think that weakens his effectiveness there compared to as an End (either 3-4 or 4-3). I would personally keep Bryant at End and find a more ‘true’ NT (someone who is shorter/wider more lower center of gravity who just eats up space and blockers as a singularity.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:14 am
Welcome aboard Wheeler & Goodson.
Im looking forward to seeing defense in back Oakland. Since coming back home the defense has been fair to miserable. We should have Chicago Bear B-more Raven type defense here. It’s long overdue around here, lets start intimidating opponents with error free knock your a$$ backwards defense!
March 31st, 2012 at 8:16 am
*defense back in Oakland
March 31st, 2012 at 8:22 am
I know it’s not all about size/weight at NT.
But I think Bryant’s versatility (agility, niftiness + strength: long arms, upper body power) is more like a Calais Campbell type imposing thing/nightmare to deal with at End.
That could be dissipated playing a 0-tech 2-gap system at NT. Whereas a 3-4 system with the Ends playing 1-gap is more conducive to Bryant, getting after the QB.
Think Howie Long.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Beyond Kelly and Seymour, them retiring or phased out, a 3-4 of Bryant-Houston-Shaughnessy could be ok. Or Bryant-NewNT-Houston with Shaughnessy a Lamarr Woodley OLB type.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:51 am
JFB,
I would think as much as you’ve been wrong ACROSS THE BOARD, you would be the last one coming in here talking about Bruce Campbell.
Especially when you were wrong again, lol.
“We fleeced them” = I was wrong, doesn’t it?
I don’t think a team trades for a guy they intend on escorting to his new job of changing the tires on the team bus.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:55 am
When we play some 3-4 this year, I wouldn’t at all be suprised to see Desmond Bryant at NT.
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Desmond Bryant was a BEAST at DE last year. Average at best at NT. If he is playing anywhere other than DE next year, that would be disappointing.
Agree that his best was better than ShoNasty’s best, but I don’t like him at RDE. He was also better than Houston.
Should be the starting LDE whether we play 4-3 or 3-4.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:57 am
4-3 is finished here Jer,DA just dont wanna tip his hand..DL coach Terrell Williams has rarely ever coached 4-3 DL and Tarver is also a 3-4 guy the pieces are being added im expecting 2 or 3 more Lbs and a NT Wheeler can go in or out…Houston / Shonasty / Bryant can bulk, 4-3 is DONE this its a new era
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you’re on the money
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I think it’s funny how some of us can see this so clearly, but most people seem to be fighting it.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:03 am
Jhill
We traded for a unproven RB
An gave them an unproven linemen
Both players could wash out at anytime.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
I just dont see many 3-4 guys.. no nt.. No 2nd ilb.. No 3-4 olbs.. And there are no more quality nts on the market..
March 31st, 2012 at 9:10 am
Marks hair Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
I just dont see many 3-4 guys.. no nt.. No 2nd ilb.. No 3-4 olbs.. And there are no more quality nts on the market..
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Curry could play ILB. Shaughnessy at one OLB, Wheeler at the other. Seymour, Bryant, and Houston rotating at DE. Chapman or Ta’amu at NT.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:12 am
Who is this back? Can he start if he had to? Has anyone watched him in college?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:15 am
146. I get that we could play guys at new spots and cross our fingers.. But outside of seymour and romac, nobodys played any 3-4 before…
March 31st, 2012 at 9:16 am
MH,
Look how many of our players are out of position in the 4-3.
McClain is not a 4-3 MLB
Seymour is not a NT
Bryant is not a NT
Houston is not a 4-3 LDE
Those are arguably are 4 best front 7 defenders, and they would ALL be better fits in the 3-4.
DE – Bryant/Houston
NT – Ivey/FA(Franklin) or a draft pick
DE – Seymour/Houston
OLB – Curry
ILB – Goethel
ILB – McClain
OLB – Wheeler
I think we are going to draft at least 2 LBs. One might be a UDFA.
I’m not completely writing off Kelly or ShoNasty either. As RRS pointed out earlier, Kelly played 3-4 DE his rookie year for us. And I think ShoNasty can play elephant OLB for us.
We’ll see how it shakes out.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:16 am
And chapman and shamoo will be gone by like pick 80..
March 31st, 2012 at 9:17 am
We traded for a unproven RB
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I’m pretty sure we have a role in mind for Goodson, wouldn’t you say?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Wheelers a strange pickup if we’re headed to 3-4. Short and light..
March 31st, 2012 at 9:21 am
151. I have never seen goodson play.. I have know idea what he’s got.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:23 am
Cain,
Did you read the Woodson interview?
GM, HC, and RB coach have all talked to this guy. STs stud at a minimum.
Clearly someone they have a role in mind for this season. Working on his size, he thinks he’s the fastest guy on the team????
This guy was CLEARLY an asset to the Panthers. You don’t think the Panthers just gave away a guy like this do you?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:24 am
heelers a strange pickup if we’re headed to 3-4. Short and light..
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Like Harrison?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:28 am
Did you read the Woodson interview?
*Goodson
March 31st, 2012 at 9:31 am
Looked up goody.. He ran a 4.54 40.. Never dominated in school, but has the ability to return kicks, and he had 390yds in the 3 games he started in weeks 10-12.. Hopfully a reggie steal.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I do like these one year deals… if these guys stink it up… we just wont resign them.. I think both will be playing hard for a long contract.. im definitley pulling for them. Nice signings reggie..
March 31st, 2012 at 9:33 am
Everything that Allen has said so far points to multiple schemes. They aren’t switching to to only a 3-4 or sticking with only a 4-3.
The team tha t comes to mind is the Texans. They mix it up all game.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:33 am
Goodson is a bit of an unknown quantity at RB. He’s solid as a Special Teams guy.
Campbell is not an unknown quantity. He sucks.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:34 am
look at all of reggie pick ups from Underwood,Lee,Bartell,Spencer,Brisel,Wheeler to Goodend all football players you maybe fast and look like a freak of nature but can you ball.. like he said of Goodsend on film the guy moves like a back smooth.. check out you tube how many times on draft picks we go check highlights and see non football players.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:34 am
If we have a defense that resembles anythng like the texans D’ . im for it!!
March 31st, 2012 at 9:36 am
Any word yet on which compensatory picks weregetting in the nfl DRAFT?? Anyone??
March 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
we got 3 3,4,5 rounds
March 31st, 2012 at 9:40 am
Jhill
He shopped to be the power btween the tackles runner with some speed
Much like bush was.
I was just sayin bout the trade. Two players who have yet to prove themselves
Hopefully we got the better end of it.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Post 165
He’s got.
Sorry smartphones
March 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
J Hill Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 9:16 am
MH,
Look how many of our players are out of position in the 4-3. (etc)
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Another money observation.
Again, alignments and looks will vary, look at many 3-4 teams (steelers, texans, jets) who do this but are essentially a 3-4 base where you have a pass rushing OLB as a down lineman (woodley, mario, pace/maybin) from time to time.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Shaughnessy (OLB) on the line as a RDE, drops back into zone coverage, McClain blitzes + the 3 DL (bryant, nt, houston say). Then next play Shaughnessy (OLB) back five yards feigning coverage but blitzes while McClain feigns to shoot the a-gap up at the line but drops back into zone. Then next play Shaughnessy and McClain could blitz from the LB position (5 man rush). Etc.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Bush wasnt hard to replace.. I just hope goody leaves that fumbling junk back in carolina..
March 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
Goodson is more of a ST’s acquisition. He does it all on STs. Return, gunner, coverage, blitzing punter, etc.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Interesting offseason..
March 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
170. He had 3 nice starts last yr as well.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Good sound acquisitions. Not breaking the bank. Just getting the right guys in position and motivated to hustle and play disciplined will make this defense better.
Improved the O-LIne, stronger secondary and got rid of a few of the check cashers or restructured them.
Made he team better with flexibility to get even better next year.
Good job Reggie.
TK and Michael Huff…time to shine
March 31st, 2012 at 10:01 am
If we make the playoffs reg should get g.m of the yr.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
172. Yep he is also a handy back-up. Basically, RM did a great trade acquiring such a versatile player who starts on STs and will carry the ball from time to time, and trading away someone forever on the inactive list, not contributing.
The Panthers feel they needed to do this because they were light on Tackles and felt B.Campbell has such great physical measurables that they could ‘possibly’ coach better and turn into a contributor/star.
Panthers after potential, Raiders after solid existing ST contribution. Both teams converting value from a position with strong depth to attain value to a position short on depth.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
Time to go to work. The lottery winners can suk my dk!
March 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Nothing wrong with honest work. $640M would turn any of us into monsters lol. Have a good day MH.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:07 am
175. I agree.. Would have liked to see b.c try out as a blocking te or fb , but at least we got somthing for him. good deal..
March 31st, 2012 at 10:07 am
I’ve got to go too. Will check in later.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Thanx, later raiders..
March 31st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Code black
March 31st, 2012 at 10:18 am
J Hill Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 8:57 am
4-3 is finished here Jer,DA just dont wanna tip his hand..DL coach Terrell Williams has rarely ever coached 4-3 DL and Tarver is also a 3-4 guy the pieces are being added im expecting 2 or 3 more Lbs and a NT Wheeler can go in or out…Houston / Shonasty / Bryant can bulk, 4-3 is DONE this its a new era
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Why can’t we just believe what the HC has said? He said “hybrid” show multiple fronts 3/4 and 4/3. We need versatile smart players to do this to keep opposing offenses guessing. One of the reasons I think we will trade TK before camp sometime is I do not see him as a smart versatile player while I do see Seymour, Houston, Bryant and Shonasty that way. Either they think they can develop Ivey for run downs and use Bryant for passing downs as a NT or they will try to pick one up in draft.
LBers that’s a whole different story. They seem high on Curry and hopeful with McClain and did sign Wheeler. Seems like there are some holes to fill and depth needed. Can Shonasty actually play a rushing LBer in a 3/4 effectively??? Maybe with limited exposure? Not sure? When Rob Ryan tried this it was a disaster but I did not view him as such a great coach like everyone does now that he put a Star on his forehead.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
I don’t think we have the players to run 3-4. We have 4 LBs total, and that Includes Goethel.
LOL
March 31st, 2012 at 10:23 am
Btw, you people are assuming that Shaughnessy can play 3-4 OLB based on one play?!
March 31st, 2012 at 10:26 am
Raider O Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
I don’t think we have the players to run 3-4. We have 4 LBs total, and that Includes Goethel.
LOL
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We have 5 right now, and Reggie will probably draft one more, with another UDFA and a cheapie FA signing. That will give us 9, which is more than enough.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
Raider O Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
I don’t think we have the players to run 3-4. We have 4 LBs total, and that Includes Goethel.
LOL
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I agree there are not the people here to run it yet. However, Wheeler was a positive step in that direction. Perhaps 3/4 will never be run as a base but even last year there were 3/4 looks at times but considering our DC last year I would not want to use that as a guide for anything.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Might be enough but 5 plus 3 is 8.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:33 am
Who is the 5th LB?
Curry
Wheeler
McClain
Goethel
March 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
I see us picking a WR and maybe TE in the draft now.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:23 am
Btw, you people are assuming that Shaughnessy can play 3-4 OLB based on one play?!
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??? is not assuming he can do this – that is a big question mark. I would think he would only do this for limited exposure with a surprise look formation not as a base. Big difference. If he runs it in a base – offenses will scheme it and create mismatches and light us up. However as an occasional surprise we might get away with this.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
LOL & Ark.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
I agree AW. We will run both, but I think our base will be 4-3.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
#188 Lets face it we really have only 3lbers right now. Goethel can not be relied upon as a starter. Unless we make some more significant changes we can not run a 3/4 except in isolated looks here and there which is what the coach was saying – he has never committed to a 3/4 base.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Raider O Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:33 am
Who is the 5th LB?
Curry
Wheeler
McClain
Goethel
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Carl Ihenacho. Practice Squad last year.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:37 am
I like Shaughnessy a lot, but I’m not sure he can be a 3-4 OLB, but that ONE play is a good start.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:39 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
#188 Lets face it we really have only 3lbers right now. Goethel can not be relied upon as a starter. Unless we make some more significant changes we can not run a 3/4 except in isolated looks here and there which is what the coach was saying – he has never committed to a 3/4 base.
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Well said AW.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Duck
We can not really use Ihenacho as a starter or rely on him in a rotation. I mean the guy is not even active last year. Raider O is right on this one. We do not have the personal yet to run a base 3/4 yet. However, I fully expect 3/4 looks from time to time especially on passing downs.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:40 am
2 TEs, yeah we may see a 4-3 alignment.
I think we will see 3 corners more than we will see 3 LBs or more.
Quite frankly, the biggest hole on a 4 man line for us is someone being able to rush the passer from the edge. That’s why I think we are going to see 3 DL and 2 LBs attacking the backfield in nickel situations.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:43 am
What do you consider “base” in terms of defense.
I think circumstances are going to dictate that we have 3 corners on the field more than any other defense we run.
“Nickel corner is a starter” – Coach Allen
March 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
I think we will see 3 corners more than we will see 3 LBs or more.
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Exactly especially with Manning and Rivers in the Division.
We should focus on adding a speed rusher and another solid CB.
You can never have enough CBs and Pass Rushers.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
Why are people so fixed about the 3-4 Defense?.
A base defense 3-4 or 4-3 is on the field about 40% of the time, maybe less.
The 3rd CB is on the field about 60% of the time, he’s basically a starter and 1 LB comes out of the field for that DB.
So, you are looking at teams playing Nickel defense most of the time, that means 5 DB’s, 2 LB’s 3 DL and the 11th player can be a standard DE or an OLB-DE which means an “Edge Rusher”.
As it stands now, if healthy, we’ll probably play with these guys most of the time:
DB’s Bartell, Spencer and Chekwa with Huff and Branch.
LB: McClain and either Curry or Wheeler.
And …
DL: 4 out of this 5: Seymour, Kelly, Shaughnessy, Houston and Bryant.
- There’s your 2012 Defense and I’m fine with it, it’s up to Dennis Allen to get the best out of this group and I think he will.
- Sure we can get another DE-OLB Edge Rusher or a traditional NT in the Draft or FA but he’ll have to take snaps away from the DL group, not an easy thing to do.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
What do you consider “base” in terms of defense.
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Formation used more than others.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
#198 J Hill that kind of thing is what I heard DA saying. An interesting 3rd and 12 would be: Bryant as nose, Shaunasy as DE and then Seymour or Kelly as the other DE then send McClain on a direct blitz (but then watch for screens) and Curry on a delay. Have 6 CBs/Safeties dropped into coverage. With all the pickups, we now have enough DBs that can do this effectively.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Code black x2
March 31st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Duck,
I forgot all about that kid. Good memory.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
Why are there so many Raider fans on the ESPN AFC West blog? Don’t they know that ESPN hates our team?
March 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Papertiger418 Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
Why are there so many Raider fans on the ESPN AFC West blog? Don’t they know that ESPN hates our team?
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They break stories faster than Steve or Jerry…
March 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
I think we should trade TK.
Are we going to be able to play our expensive vets (Seymour & TK), and still be able to offer Bryant, Houston, NT, and Shaughnessy enough snaps/ playing time?
I don’t think so.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:54 am
It becomes even more difficult with 3 man fronts.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:59 am
Look at the Pats. Their NT Wilfork stays on the field in passing situations. Our NT doesn’t have to get off the field in passing situations, if he can be productive in those situations.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:00 am
Wheeler got a one year contract because McKenzie is still going to be looking for an outside linebacker in the draft probably.
Wheeler’s a little small but he’s a good pick-up and is strong on stopping the run. Guy might work out real well.
What with the dumping Campbell for Goodson trade, Reggie is getting it done.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:00 am
It becomes even more difficult with 3 man fronts.
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What becomes more difficult?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Bryant may be the strongest DLman in the team but hardly translates into a NT. He is a natural “3″ technique but has also distinguished himself as a LDE.
Bryant & Shonasty have two different body types. Desmond is the same ehight as Shonasty but has 20 lbs. on him. . .
Would think Cumbie & Brodine are huge wild cards. Both are tall with frames made for expansion. How they do this offseason will tell gretly on how much the Raiders use the 4-3 in comparison to the 3-4. As of press time the Raiders are better suited towards the 4-3 (LB’s the tell of this poker game) but big Rich, TK & Bryant are naturals for DE in the 3-4 scheme. I think Shonasty is too angular (see stiff) for the 3-4 & currently they have no discernable depth @ NT. McClain is a natural in the 3-4 but can Goethel be counted on to fill the other ILB position? Not really, especially since he would ahve to take on blockers. . .
But gotta like what Reg has done with a limited budget, slbeit almost the acquisitions are coming off injury marred 2011 seasons. . .
March 31st, 2012 at 11:03 am
J,
Giving all our DL enough snaps.
Seymour
TK
Houston
Bryant
Shaughnessy
Rookie NT & Nickel pass rusher
March 31st, 2012 at 11:04 am
206; we’re defenders of the relm. . .
March 31st, 2012 at 11:07 am
RegMac only pulls off brilliant moves. He sees the greatness to come in Wheeler and Goodson. Teams were stupid to let them walk and now RegMac will turn them into Raidah Greatness. RegMac has posted a sign on the door: no trash allowed. He has cleaned up the site and only brings in the best. RegMac is a magic man. Screw the niners.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:08 am
Giving all our DL enough snaps.
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?????
Not even sure how to respond to that.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:08 am
My roster:
LDE: Bryant/ Nickel pass rusher in passing situations and move Bryant inside
DT: NT/ Houston
DT: Seymour/ Bryant
RDE: Shaughnessy
SLB: Curry
MLB: McClain
WLB: Wheeler
CB: Bartell
CB: Spence
NB: Chekwa
SS: Branch
FS: Huff
March 31st, 2012 at 11:09 am
By the way, I’m very pleased with our moves so far, good job by Reggie and Dennis.
I’m a huge size-speed guy so trading Campbell was not exactly what I wanted, but it’s all about what we obtained from him, this Mike Goodson guy is a good player.
First of all he has started and performed well, which is more than we can say about Campbell, Goodson has 3 starts in 2010 and an average of 130 yards per game, that’s running and receiving.
I think Mike Goodson is going to be much more than a Special Teams player and 3rd RB, I’d say he’s gonna be the number 2 guy behind DMAC and fill the Michael Bush role pretty well.
The people at profootballfocus.com kept an eye on him the last couple of years, apparently the guy is real good at breaking tackles, here’s some stuff on him:
“Football is the most interdependent of sports.
A runner won’t go far without blocking. A receiver can’t throw himself the ball. Every player’s production is inextricably tied to the performance of his teammates.
Fortunately, PFF data isolates, as much as possible, every player’s strengths and weaknesses.
One of my favorite stats is how many “missed tackles” a player causes — either by breaking the tackle or avoiding it.
Those “misses” are individual accomplishments that show up well on film.
I look for part-time RBs with an ability to break tackles.
Going over the 2010 “missed tackles” data, a couple things jumped out.
LeGarrette Blount was a tackle-breaking machine. Blount’s 50 broken tackles on 201 carries (plus zero broken tackles on five catches) meant he averaged 0.243 broken tackles per touch. No other primary ballcarrier was close.
Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson and Michael Turner all broke similar amounts of tackles, but needed far more touches to do so.
Among committee backs, the name that jumped off the page might surprise you: MIKE GOODSON.
Carolina’s second-year back broke 18 tackles on 103 carries, and broke 10 more on 40 catches. That meant Goodson broke 0.195 tackles per touch.
The other backs around 100 carries didn’t approach Goodson’s rate.
I thought it would be interesting to see how Goodson, a terrific receiver, stacked up against elite pass-catching backs. His rate dwarfed that of LeSean McCoy (0.107), Ahmad Bradshaw (0.155) and Darren McFadden (0.156).”
One more bit:
“He had the best yards-per-carry (4.4) of the three, and is PFF’s pick for a breakout season after creating 27 missed tackles on just 139 touches (19.4 percent). That was the fourth-best rate in the league.
An excellent receiver who caught 40 balls, Goodson showed he’s far more than a third-down back with his performances against the Ravens (120 yards rushing, 31 receiving) and Falcons (7.8 ypc).”
March 31st, 2012 at 11:10 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ff809/article/raiders-palmer-i-am-fired-up-to-get-my-playbook?module=HP11_headline_stack
March 31st, 2012 at 11:10 am
?????
Not even sure how to respond to that.
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I’m not even sure I should respond to this.
LOL
March 31st, 2012 at 11:11 am
Chekwa is a smart kid. He is an accounting major and a Buckeye.
Go Buckeyes!!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 11:13 am
I think, nor that many you care what I think or are scared Ro know what I think….
March 31st, 2012 at 11:14 am
Bryant and Shaughnessy should stay on the field as much as possible.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:15 am
#223- failed attempt at witty humor, real weak even
March 31st, 2012 at 11:20 am
Bryant & Shaughnessy are our two best DL long term, whether we keep Shaughnessy or not will determine our 3-4/4-3 status, as he is our only pure 4-3 DE.
If we trade him we are primarily a 3-4 D.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:23 am
Chimdi will start and be all-pro in 2012.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:23 am
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March 31st, 2012 at 11:26 am
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March 31st, 2012 at 11:30 am
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Marley,
Thanks for the analysis of Goodson. I think he will do well for the Raiders, especially under new direction. I love his receiving skills too.
So what is the story on the newest acquisition Wheeler? I read a lot about him and know that his speciality isn’t pass rushing, or is it ? His stats don’t show that. Is he a run disrupter ?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:35 am
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March 31st, 2012 at 11:38 am
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March 31st, 2012 at 11:44 am
Raider O Says:
I think we should trade TK.
Are we going to be able to play our expensive vets (Seymour & TK), and still be able to offer Bryant, Houston, NT, and Shaughnessy enough snaps/ playing time?.
I don’t think so.
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You need at least 6 quality DL to rotate in and out of the game and keep everyone effective.
I’ve said for a while that we may need to play our DL like this:
At DT: Share 1 spot between Seymour and Kelly, both are older players who will be more effective playing less snaps.
Share the other spot between Bryant and Houston, these kids are young and hungry, their energy will be useful inside.
At DE: Start Shaughnessy at one spot and find a capable starter on the other side that shares snaps with Houston and Bryant when they’re not inside, we could draft someone or sign a low-profile FA such as William Hayes or Wallace Gilberry, anyway the guy starting here (LDE) would be getting fewer snaps than anyone else, until we find a good one.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:44 am
“Palmer fired up for this Season”
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March 31st, 2012 at 11:46 am
If management decided to trade a player, I think it should be TK.
He had a great season last year, he still has a few years, and he has value as a pass rushing DT/ UT.
We can free more cap space to sign a few more FAs (some good vets will get released after the draft), and we can use the extra picks.
Maybe he can get us a 3rd or 4th & 6th.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Worried about how many snaps “all” of our Dlineman get?
Bryant and Seymour are our 2 best Dlinemen. Houston is next. Those 3 should be in heavy rotations as DEs.
Getting the best players on the field and putting them in a position to do what they do best should be the only concern.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:54 am
BM,
I agree with you, but I thought we were interested in adding a quality NT. If we add a good NT who is not a liability in passing situations, then trading TK makes sense IMHO. Him and Seymour are the same age, and we restructured Seymours’s contract and added a few years to it. Houston and Bryant are young and hungry, they play well, and should get the majority of the snaps IMO. Seymour will benefit from sharing snaps, which will allow him to stay fresh and motivated.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:58 am
Taiwan Jones will rush for 1,000+ yards in 2012. Book it!
March 31st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Raider O Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 11:29 am
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March 31st, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Redshirt Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 11:58 am
Taiwan Jones will rush for 1,000+ yards in 2012. Book it!
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DHB will finish the season with over 1,500 + yards receiving and break the TD record set by moss
March 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Oh book it. ^^^
March 31st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Hardline
Everything has beed said abour Wheeler, broke out last year, solid run player who used to be provide some pass-rush in college, played both OLB spots for Indy, Polian spent a 3rd round pick on him so he must have seen some potential.
Should start and contribute, looks like a solid pickup and I like that we are going with couple of true OLB’s in Wheeler and Curry, instead of converted DE’s like Wimbley, Groves and Trevor Scott.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Marley Bob, 244
Cool. I hope he works out for us. It’s good that we have a OLB who will play at his true position: will make him stronger.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Marley PFF has Wheeler as a the only good run defender on the colts D (although everyone is all over Pat Angerer). I think he had 11 or 13 starts last year, and only graded negatively twice on their run D scale. Some vids of him can be seen on:
http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/
March 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
yea O , i like Checkwa a lot! DVD as well if he could locate the ball… the fact that he’s right there with the receiver a lot speaks volumes about him. he’s definitely a project… which is why i think we got Bartell and Spencer. letting them develop as nickles will truly train them the right way. the fact that they get to learn how to actually play ZONE instead of being on dimensional AL DAVIS DEFENSE tells me they’re going to be okay.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
okay .. maybe i should and maybe i shouldnt throw this in the ring. haven’t seen you all talk about it yet.
TO to the RAIDERS?
yes, it would be a fairy tail to think he could come in with NO MONEY in his pocket, ready to prove something, and stay healthy for a 16 game… and lastly, CLOSE HIS MOUTH the entire duration of his 1 year contract!
the weird part is, i thought Carson HATED TO … but was just practicing with the man.
i guess it will be up to them to evaluate TO abilities at this present time. whether he’d be worth a low risk high reward contract.
on the flipside, if he contributed in a way like he did in Cincy, we could have a downright UPSTOPPABLE offense with TO, DHB, Moore, Ford .. we do need someone to replace GLAZ “JOE” SCHILENS .. do we not?!
March 31st, 2012 at 12:50 pm
POST-246,LOOKS LIKE THE WHEELER GETS BLOCKED MOST OF THE TIME IN THOSE CLIPS,OR COMES IN A LITTLE LATE.WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FILM ON THE GUY.
March 31st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Going over the 2010 “missed tackles” data, a couple things jumped out.
LeGarrette Blount was a tackle-breaking machine. Blount’s 50 broken tackles on 201 carries (plus zero broken tackles on five catches) meant he averaged 0.243 broken tackles per touch. No other primary ballcarrier was close.
Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson and Michael Turner all broke similar amounts of tackles, but needed far more touches to do so.
Among committee backs, the name that jumped off the page might surprise you: MIKE GOODSON.
Carolina’s second-year back broke 18 tackles on 103 carries, and broke 10 more on 40 catches. That meant Goodson broke 0.195 tackles per touch.
The other backs around 100 carries didn’t approach Goodson’s rate.
I thought it would be interesting to see how Goodson, a terrific receiver, stacked up against elite pass-catching backs. His rate dwarfed that of LeSean McCoy (0.107), Ahmad Bradshaw (0.155) and Darren McFadden (0.156).”
One more bit:
“He had the best yards-per-carry (4.4) of the three, and is PFF’s pick for a breakout season after creating 27 missed tackles on just 139 touches (19.4 percent). That was the fourth-best rate in the league.
An excellent receiver who caught 40 balls, Goodson showed he’s far more than a third-down back with his performances against the Ravens (120 yards rushing, 31 receiving) and Falcons (7.8 ypc).”
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Thats good stuff.. and why I keep coming back here. Now if we could just get rid of the NBA and politics posts! lol
March 31st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
we do need someone to replace GLAZ “JOE” SCHILENS .. do we not?!
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Yes… say what you want about him, he was our most reliable slot guy last year. The only slot guy we have on roster AT ALL right now is DHB… and he is not great at it. Watch him let CWood run the slant route for an interception last year for clues…
I’m guessing Reggie will draft a possession receiver with one of his early picks.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
that’s why i was suggesting T.O. .. the man is at rock bottom in his life, and maybe not be a distraction. if the man is healthy, he’s still more durable than Chaz any day..
the reason i say that is because all of our draft picks need to be for DEFENSE. LB, NT, maybe OL . everything else has competition, and we still have UDFA and even FA’s being let go. another man’s trash is another man’s gold!
March 31st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
*one man’s trash
March 31st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I voted one time, because I knew you whiners would just wah wah wah was waaaaa.
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March 31st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Raiders will have three players with over a thousand yards from scrimmage.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Welcome to the Nation Wheeler.
I am glad we got this guy. I rather have a guy who could cover the pass, play the run, than a dude who was an overpriced ONE-TRICK pony.
Hated watching Wimbo trying to cover people in the pass game.
March 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
WIMPLEY couldn’t hold his edge very well, despite of what some may think. Wheeler is much better at stuffing the run. i hope Curry on the other end can match it. our front 7 will be vastly improved if we accomplish this. that means McWhiff and some other ILB we sign need to man up!
EJ Henderson is still out there, is he not? can we not go over the cap just a little bit? correct me if i’m wrong, but don’t all NFL owners have a couple of months to get back at the cap?(121.5 mill)
March 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Thec – You’re in San Diego?
March 31st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
It’s official. Our defensive personnel is better than last years. More depth, better all-around playas, no overpriced ONE-TRICK ponies.
Still need a bruiser RB for short and goaline!
March 31st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Raider2DaHeart Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 11:44 am
“Palmer fired up for this Season”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ff809/article/raiders-palmer-i-am-fired-up-to-get-my-playbook?module=HP11_headline_stack
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“So this is what a real QB looks like…”
March 31st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Wheeler and Goodson are solid pickups. Not great athletes, just solid football players.
March 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
i’ll take solid football tacklers over athletic freaks of nature any day of the week. Reggie isn’t done yet.
EJ Henderson please BigMac? you will be my hero if you do! low risk high reward contract will do. 2 year 5 mill?
March 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Raiders draft a couple bruiser ol won’t need a bruiser rb.
March 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Does anybody know whether Mark got a proper haircut before attending the owners’ meetings? I only ask because I just saw a commercial for the 3 Stooges re-boot.
March 31st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
papertiger418 Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Does anybody know whether Mark got a proper haircut before attending the owners’ meetings? I only ask because I just saw a commercial for the 3 Stooges re-boot.
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Did Mark even go, or he send Amy or Reggie in his place?
March 31st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
*did he send…
March 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I would hope that Mark went. I like the fact that he’s letting Reggie do his thing, but we still need a Davis present at league-wide events. We should ask “Mark’s Hair” the next time he stops by the blog.
March 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Raider Dave I’m with you on Raiders drafting a WR (Doss), and a TE.
An LB & an OL also;
Fifth pick a qb maybe?
March 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I say we need to address wr and qb through free agency. Need affordable vets for those two spots then we can focus the bulk of our picks for the defense.
March 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Concur above; I noticed also that Reggie was signing multiple 1-2 year contracts for FAs (including ours), I think only Brisiel (and soon to be Branch) signed multi year deals.
March 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
I like my head to be a phallic symbol
March 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Can’t think of any impact players left in free agency on either offense or defense; in fact Giordano is one of few that made plays last year.
One WR that Reggie might want to keep an eye on us Anthony Armstrong of WA, he could be available as many WRs Wash. signed
March 31st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Isn’t Goodson a great athlete? From everything I’ve read, hes a fast guy with good moves
March 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Wasn’t Wheeler picked on the All Dreads team last year?
March 31st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
yea he is. 3 100+ yard games is good. even if it was against shotty defenses…
March 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
2 100yd games
March 31st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
2 100yd games
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3 100+ yard games they mean rushing+receiving
When the guy got his 20 carries he put up 100 rushing more importantly
March 31st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Wheeler and Goodson are both solid picks with huge potential. I kinda like how this season is turning into a Moneyball scenario so far. HUGE upside for it all.
March 31st, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Carolina was thinking of turning Goodson into a WR. If he had stayed at A&M and had a good senior year, he would have gone much higher. Versatility is the key here.
March 31st, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Can’t see a FA “vet” WR worth anything coming on board. Who would he play in front of?
March 31st, 2012 at 5:57 pm
DHB
D Moore
J Ford
Those guys are going to play A LOT.
Murphy is going to be in there too. Just don’t see a lot of snaps for a vet WR unless we trade Ford.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Going over the 2010 “missed tackles” data, a couple things jumped out.
LeGarrette Blount was a tackle-breaking machine. Blount’s 50 broken tackles on 201 carries (plus zero broken tackles on five catches) meant he averaged 0.243 broken tackles per touch. No other primary ballcarrier was close.
Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson and Michael Turner all broke similar amounts of tackles, but needed far more touches to do so.
Among committee backs, the name that jumped off the page might surprise you: MIKE GOODSON.
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Nice.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Man its quietsville round these parts. I know Reggie hasn’t been providing the “sexy” picks but quietly he is assembling a real good football team. I for one am excited and think we really can make some noise this year. I think we’ re gonna surprise more than a few!
First off:
Contrary to all the “Al” detractors out there, the old man actually left us in pretty good shape. Yes we’ve had to shed some over priced desperation contracts but not that many and were having to rebuild from a 8-8 team not a 4-12 team. The fats been trimmed and I can confidently say that the team will be better next year. We’re gonna be competitive with only a few tweeks from an Al Davis assembled roster. And some of you here doubted the genius of Al Davis!!!! If he was as bad as some would have us believe in his latter years then it would take YEARS to rebuild!! Between this year and next I feel very good about the Raiders!!!!!
Code Black 2012!!!!!!! Oh yeah with the sirens an flashing lights!!!!
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March 31st, 2012 at 6:13 pm
With a chip on his shoulder after being shunned by every team in the league T.O has something to prove if he ever gets another shot.
I think he would do well if someone gives him a chance.
Carson probably doesn’t want him after Cincy.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:17 pm
We need to stay drama free.
No T O
March 31st, 2012 at 6:26 pm
ARKRaider,
Good on ya for not taking the fashionable route and ripping on our former owner Al Davis.
Most here think he was Satan.
Even in the late yrs. i think he was making a bit of a comeback. Even the experts had to acknowledge we had a couple good drafts before he passed and the team was definitely improving and on the upswing.
The worst move he made imo was drafting Jamarcus #1.
# 1’s are your “reward” for being the worst team in the league the prior year and it just made us worse. Set the Raiders back even more.
Al should have done more research, interviews, analysis etc. on Russell before wasting a golden # 1 on that piece of garbage.
I used to be forgiving of Al for that cuz guys like Kiper raved about Russell too, saying he was the next Elway etc. but when you’re gonna waste 36 million on the future franchise QB then you’d better be darn sure about it.
That was huge. That being said, Al Davis is an icon and he gets way too much crap from people who are Raider fans…when Al was the one that created the whole thing in the first place.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Most here think he was Satan.
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I wouldn’t say that.
I think most people loved Al Davis as an owner. I think a lot of people had issues with some of his moves as a GM, and the fact he allegedly wouldnt take his hands off the defense.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
JaMarcus had some major “Boom or Bust” grades coming out of college.
Al was not the only one over the moon on this guy. Cleveland would have taken him at #3, and any draft-day criticism towards Al for this pick was of the “He should have picked BRADY QUINN” variety (see CBS Sports’ Pete Prisco).
It was only a couple of years later that the Monday-morning quarterbacks came in with the whole “Nobody else would have taken JaMarcus in the first three rounds” BS.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Coach Davis was more that an owner. People that rag on him don’t realize that it was his team and he could do damn well as he pleased with it. His mistakes, like the JRuss debacle was an honest mistake. He truly believed the guy could be the face of the Raiders. And I know that pained him to see it go bad. I can find nothing to ever be angry or hateful towards him. It was Al who put the Raiders and the NFL on the universal map.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
24 Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Thec – You’re in San Diego?
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Yes
March 31st, 2012 at 6:38 pm
The only thing to be “angry” towards Al about was his bizarre hatred towards anyone he considered “disloyal.” Marcus Allen, Steve Beuerlein, Rich Gannon, John Fox, Al LoCosale, Mike Shanahan, Art Shell and others could provide sterling examples.
I’m not an Al hater by any means. I once idolized him, and there was a lot to admire about the guy. But there was also a lot NOT to admire.
March 31st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I’d like to add my props to McFadden 20 for stellar cheerleading and blogger of the month.. Everytime I checked in, there was another reminder to vote.. I voted right up to and past the deadline and the result kept jumping between 50% and 51% with each vote.. I might not have been so vigilante without MF 20 and other urging us on… well done… fcknin CODE BLACk
March 31st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
J Hill Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I think most people loved Al Davis as an owner. I think a lot of people had issues with some of his moves as a GM, and the fact he allegedly wouldnt take his hands off the defense.
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Well said J. I agree
March 31st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Wheeler comes aboard Update: Raiders officially announce Wheeler’s signing at 8 p.m. Linebacker Philip Wheeler, wowed by the support of Raider fans on his Twitter account, was also suitably impressed by the organization. [...]
March 31st, 2012 at 7:22 pm
I never heard of Mike Goodson so I checked out some highlights. I saw Texas A&M highlights on Youtube which he displayed good speed, great balance and ability to keep going after being hit. His spin moves were pretty sweet as well!
I think he’s a great complement to DMAC… Cant wait to see him in action! Another solid move by Reggie.. Keep it up bro!!
March 31st, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Al Davis. Love him or hate him he still lights up the blog like no other. Previous to my comment about Al it was quietsville around here….
March 31st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Good to get Wheeler. His NFL rep is good against run, not as good vs. pass. Sure we can pencil him in to start at SSLB, but I think it’s ridiculous to say in March with a new coaching staff that the lineup is “set” unless the defensive alignment switches.
I’m pretty sure we’ll bring in players through the draft and UDFA, and probably more vet free agents to compete for roster and even starting spot at LB. I doubt a starting LB group of
SLB Philip Wheeler
MLB Rolando McClain
WLB Aaron Curry
is invulnerable to competition, and only Travis Goethel & Carl Ihenacho in reserve currently
At RB, good to add Goodson. Sounds like a pretty good ZBS runner/receiver as backup to D-Mac and a good all around special teams player, young so he should have a lot of tread left on his tires. If he can’t end the fumbling issue, I think we still need to find a goalline & short yardage runner. Maybe one of the guys on roster, Lonyae Miller or Rashawn Jackson, and maybe more to come in to compete.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:24 pm
papertiger418 Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
Why are there so many Raider fans on the ESPN AFC West blog? Don’t they know that ESPN hates our team?
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It’s a new day in Raiderland. Time to let go of the mindless paranoia that has contributed to making the team a laughingstock. If the establishment held a grudge, it was only because everybody on the inside knew that Al was running the franchise into the ground. Nobody hated the team during its heyday. Get over it.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Great post #219 Bob Marley, thanks for the research.
Makes the Goodson acquisition even more of a genius move.
In RM’s innaugural PC he did say he’s also a speed-height-weight guy, that he loves speed, speed kills. But he explained that that alone is not enough, football smarts and heart is more important. That you obviously look for a combination of the two (athletics and smarts) if you can find them.
March 31st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Manning, shmanning… In the words of Chuck D.: ‘Dont believe the hype, cant truss it’… Raiders will take AFC West title in 2012 no matter who else is in the division!!…
RAAAAAAAAIIII-DERRRRRRSSSSS!!!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Glad you’re quoting Chuck D. And not Chuck B.!!!! Thank god he’s gone!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Quit dissin me ya’ll. If I coulda did things my way, you know, you know we’da been a top 25 D. I woulda done the R2D2 and we’da won that Roit game. Uh huh, fo sho. I just found out I still wasn’t the DeCor. Damn fellas, this hoirts.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Michael Bush’s cousin just made a couple of free throws for Ohio St. No really though they look a lot a like to me. Anyone does?
March 31st, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Anyone Else?
March 31st, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I think Mike Goodson will show that just about every team has a Michael Bush.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Gdog Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
we do need someone to replace GLAZ “JOE” SCHILENS .. do we not?!
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Yes… say what you want about him, he was our most reliable slot guy last year. The only slot guy we have on roster AT ALL right now is DHB… and he is not great at it. Watch him let CWood run the slant route for an interception last year for clues…
I’m guessing Reggie will draft a possession receiver with one of his early picks.
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Eddie McGee, a 1st year player, college QB 6-4 210 is on roster, good prospect, CP3 likes him.
Reggie Mac will probably bring in more guys to compete
March 31st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Now I’m checking him out a little closer, yeah maybe not as much as I thought although from the right angle an they look a lot alike
March 31st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
J Hill,
Wrong “Across the board” ? Link or source?
How are you going to tell me I was wrong on Bruce Campbell? You were talking about him getting a chance to start, like 3 days ago!!!!
He sucks, I always told you he did, and his Raider career was exactly as I told you it would be.
You on the other hand, majorly whiffed on him.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:15 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/31/carson-palmer-aims-high/#comment-1693533
March 31st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
The last sentence of this article is backwards:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/31/carson-palmer-aims-high/#comment-1693533
March 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Jill told me 3 years ago B Camp would be the starter week 1
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Just Fire Baby Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
J Hill,
Wrong “Across the board” ? Link or source?
How are you going to tell me I was wrong on Bruce Campbell? You were talking about him getting a chance to start, like 3 days ago!!!!
He sucks, I always told you he did, and his Raider career was exactly as I told you it would be.
You on the other hand, majorly whiffed on him.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Noooooooo!!
March 31st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Quietsville, like deadsville!!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Dude did look like mbush
March 31st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
In quiet moments such as these I’m gonna test what words/phrases/people get the most response.
Ok we’ll start with:
Al Davis- I liked him how bout anyone else?
March 31st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I like him too.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
That dude did look just like Bush, but man he took two horrendous shots down the stretch and also turned it over.
Not a good last minute for that kid.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
I liked Al Davis the man, but was pretty pissed off at him as my GM though.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
I still can’t believe we lost to Kansas.
March 31st, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Damn you Mich!!!!!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I think TP and DVD will surprise a lot of fans this season. I think DVD improves his ball awareness, and TP earns the backup job after a great preseason.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
McClain too.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
So my comments #321 and #324 have been tagged for moderation? What does that mean? Can anyone else see those comments?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
How are you going to tell me I was wrong on Bruce Campbell? You were talking about him getting a chance to start, like 3 days ago!!!!
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You said the guy was a bum and would be cut. Big difference from being traded to being cut.
He’s going to have a chance to start for the Panthers. They gave up a guy who had CLEAR value to their team. You don’t trade a guy like him for a guy you don’t think will make the team.
And I haven’t said anything about Beast Campbell starting for the Raiders in quite some time, so you can cut the propoganda. In fact, I was the one saying we needed to resign Barnes.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
We can’t view those posts.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Panthers had Williams & Stewart, and they signed Tolbert in FA.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Very strange, I didn’t cuss or even say anything that crazy. And I can see comments #321 and #324 but they have the header that says awaiting moderation? This one is new to me. What gives?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
I didbt want to give up on Beast Campbell, but Cable didn’t like Him, Hue wasn’t sold on him, and the new coaching staff didn’t want him.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Didn’t*
March 31st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Got another one tagged for moderation. What is not OK to say help me out here. I don’t get it? In one post I spoke of our current pres. And in the other I said a former employees name. You know the one who threatened to kick TIM’ s behind. Really you can’t mention those two names? I don’t know what else it could be
March 31st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
As for Campbell: If there were any coachable ability, I’m sure Classic Wiz would have said something. The fact that we dumped him so quickly means he’s a stiff and probably wouldn’t have even made the team.
I see why Carolina traded for him, and why he may kick around the league for a few years on Practice Squads and whatnot: he is SO big and SO strong and SO athletic that you can’t help wondering about the possibilities.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Bruce Campbell can’t block.
He should be coverted to tight end.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Arkraider: Our current President’s name sets off the “Moderator” alert. Don’t think Herrera does, though.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I’m not one to talk politics on this blog, I was just trying to have some fun. So why can’t you say our presidents name on this blog? I understand if you said something derogatory but I’m kinda new to this kinda thing and I don’t quite get it?
March 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
TP is going to be on-going talking point, so pardon me for repeating myself. As i said on PFT…
If Pryor can get his head screwed on right, work hard, and hopefully the new regime are patient with and like Pryor, Pryor could blossom quickly if/when Palmer starts/continues to decline.
I really like Pryor. Tho I understand he has some attitude issues that the likes of Newton/RG3 don’t have. He’s still only 22 or 23, so there’s hope he can be coached and mentored along.
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I kind of think Palmer is on the decline already. I really like Pryor, but I just hope RM/DA also like him, at least will give him a full chance this year and not trade him. I obviously trust RM, and if he feels TP is worth getting rid of, fine. But I hold out hope that RM likes TP.
Similarly, regarding Bruce Campbell…i really liked him too, he had a very high grade as a run-blocking OT in college, tho lacked in pass-protection in college. Loved the possibilities that his off-the-chart measurables could reach as an OT.
Difference so far…TP hasn’t had a single opportunity yet, no training camp etc. He just got drafted, copped a 5 week suspension, then Palmer got traded for, Palmer got 100% of reps to hurry him along in 2011, and Pryor was basically shelved. So i hope RM/DA give Pryor a chance for 2-3 years at least if he needs that long. But if Pryor can work hard, imo he has a chance because imo again Palmer looks to be in decline from his halcyon days.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
John Herrera
March 31st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Arkraider Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I’m not one to talk politics on this blog, I was just trying to have some fun. So why can’t you say our presidents name on this blog? I understand if you said something derogatory but I’m kinda new to this kinda thing and I don’t quite get it?
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Not the foggiest. You could always e-mail Jon Becker and ask.
March 31st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
The bottom line on Beast Campbell is he was a project 4th rounder that some people seemed to hate on from day 1. A fourth round pick, guys, not a 1st rounder.
We parlayed him into a player that most of us seem to be happy to have. How can you possibly think the Panthers did us a favor and just gave us Goodson?
The Panthers seem to think a bit more highly of him than some of you want to give him credit for. Again, you don’t trade for someone you don’t have a role planned for.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I never harbored any ill- will towards B. Campbell, like ya said, 4th round. It just didn’t work into anything here. I wish him luck, unless of course he comes playing the silver and black!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
We better hope we get a couple of good years out of Carson, cause I don’t think TP will be ready any sooner if even
March 31st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Hey Arkraider. The moderator is a fickle dude. Sometimes the cat lets folks get away with the most assinine whack crap, stuff you wouldn’t even discuss in a bar, or maybe you would, and sometimes you say something nice and you get banged. I just think it depends on or not if he’s getting any. What else could it be.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Yo Blog Swizzlers
Man, your homeboy The Beeech Dawg is tore up. Spent the last 2 days partying serious with the Certified Platinum Posse.
Went through 2 cases of Magnums, word
Now all I can get down is Diet Slice and Long John Silvers, and I’ve had an ice pack on my nads for the last 16 hours.
Guess I’m just going to watch a little Finding Nemo, smoke a spliff and call it a night
March 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Code black x3
March 31st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
I saw video of Wheeler playing for the Colts per the links a poster provided. I watched most of them and didn’t see one play Wheeler made. Actually he reminds a lot of McClain, tossed out of the play by opponents, runners getting by his out stretched arms, out of position, cart wheeling through the air after the play is over, lured away from the ball.
Maybe the staff can make something of him, or maybe the videos didn’t do him justice.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
What’s up Nation?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
J Hill Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
The bottom line on Beast Campbell is he was a project 4th rounder that some people seemed to hate on from day 1. A fourth round pick, guys, not a 1st rounder.
We parlayed him into a player that most of us seem to be happy to have. How can you possibly think the Panthers did us a favor and just gave us Goodson?
The Panthers seem to think a bit more highly of him than some of you want to give him credit for. Again, you don’t trade for someone you don’t have a role planned for.
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The Panthers signed Tolbert so they didn’t have room for Goodson. Given his limited trade value, getting back a project was probably the best offer. It doesn’t mean that they see more in Campbell than the Raiders staff does or that they have high hopes of him stealing a starting spot. It just means that they traded from an area of depth for one where they wanted more, and the Raiders did likewise — not that the Raiders are overflowing with talented OL, but they do have their starters and a few backups already penciled in. Meanwhile, they were very thin at RB as well as having a void to fill for Rock’s role as veteran special teams player.
Long story short, this is just a case where it’s a low profile move that probably helps both teams.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Softline,maybe youre just a hater,stir it up,move on,etc.Lets see what the Young Raider does, I think He will do well,Oh,until they lineup, stfu and maybe learn something,it might happen for ya.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Oh, and softline,Who made the video that you refer to,KC,SD,DONKS?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
hendu Says:, 347, 348
Hindu,
Crawl back under the rock from whence you came troll: continue eating earthworms, salamanders and black beetles. Oh and before you sleep, don’t forget to wash that left hand!
March 31st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Not sure theres any truth in this story
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http://broncotalk.net/2012/04/32954/nfl-news-notes/buzz-mcnabb-owens-rice-on-raiders-radar/?
March 31st, 2012 at 11:38 pm
softline mrs(mr),Truth Hurt,small one? Take a bath in bleach,add water,even better,nite,jackarse.Oh,a friend says hi,wont say who,HaHa RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 31st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
#350. It’s an april fool’s day article.
March 31st, 2012 at 11:49 pm
lol yeah Rice is old and Mark dont talk bs
March 31st, 2012 at 11:57 pm
alzadoX Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Gdog Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
we do need someone to replace GLAZ “JOE” SCHILENS .. do we not?!
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Yes… say what you want about him, he was our most reliable slot guy last year. The only slot guy we have on roster AT ALL right now is DHB… and he is not great at it. Watch him let CWood run the slant route for an interception last year for clues…
I’m guessing Reggie will draft a possession receiver with one of his early picks.
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Eddie McGee, a 1st year player, college QB 6-4 210 is on roster, good prospect, CP3 likes him.
Reggie Mac will probably bring in more guys to compete
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That could work.
I do like the under the radar WR’s though. Chaz fit the bill.
If anyone recognizes “Mike Siani” you would know what I mean. I was pulling for him as a kid…
April 1st, 2012 at 12:01 am
GG,Thanks for that,However,mrs,mr,sully,softline,all of ya jackarses,I think You are true Raider Fans,you deal with many meanies,sorry!HaHA April Fools,small ones,have a great evening.Hope ya trip twice today ,HaHA SFBS RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 1st, 2012 at 12:20 am
Seymour Bush Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:48 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 12:38 am
Okay, so defense definitely better than last year.
Offense could be much better than last year.
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Tell me, why is the defense going to be “definitely better than last year”. We have a brand new head coach, a brand new DC, and we lost our starting corners.
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Defense definitely better than last year because an idiotic skunk after having a pre-frontal lebotomy could do a better job than Bresnehan.
And, I personally feel that the good coaches make the best possible use of the pieces that they have.
We have a VERY solid D-Line. Now have a descent secondary. Need more LB depth, but at least they won’t be playing confused like last year.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:24 am
Kirk Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Our offense will be the same as last year.
On defense I guess we will finally find out if our problems were personel or scheme.
I vote scheme.
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I vote both, but our lame D-Coords (official and unofficial) last year affected both.
We needed starting WSLB and LB depth, Bresnahan brings with him from USFL the great Darryl Blackstock to go along with AD favorite son Bruce Davis III already on the roster. Starting WSLB Groves so bad in pass defense, Bresnahan tries 5 man DL with remaining LBs left covering WRs
At CB, we lose Nnamdi, CJ has groin surgery, Chewkwa oft injured pre-season; quick, reactive UDFA rookie Sterling Moore never even given a chance to play in preseason with 1st or 2nd unit (only played against 3rd string scrubs) then “hidden” on practice squad while Al put guys on active roster who could run better 40, then claimed by NE where he started in Super Bowl. Over the hill Lito Sheppard the only vet CB brought in to compete, cut, then resigned late year.
Lots of talent on DL, but mostly 3-T type penetrating DTs, no run stuffer
If you think our defensive personnel was good last year, I think you are mistaken. By comparison on O-Line, there were a lot of question marks, they brought in lots of players to compete, and a good line was molded.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:31 am
The Oracle Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Reggie is putting in work…building street cred…
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Reggie Mac street cred:
Elway thinks he’s an NFL GM cuz he can Pey$ton to Manning I say
OUR GM CAN BEAT UP THEIR GM
Reggie McKenzie, ILB LA Raiders in 1980s, 7th meanest ILB in team history (Raiders All-Time, All-Mean Team)
April 1st, 2012 at 12:32 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Manning, shmanning… In the words of Chuck D.: ‘Dont believe the hype, cant truss it’… Raiders will take AFC West title in 2012 no matter who else is in the division!!…
April 1st, 2012 at 12:43 am
Alex7 Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
wonder why all the 1-year deals.
Not like we have loads of depth to develop behind them.
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Players/Agents often request one year deals to prove their worth for future $
long term deals often backloaded and player gets dumped before big money kicks in, or contract restructured after a few years
Reggie seems to be doing things so that if players do produce in 2012, we will be able to afford to resign them in 2013 at market rate; Reggie getting long term finances & cap in better shape for future years
given time, Reggie Mac should help build deep roster. Has rep as great talent evaluator; Green Bay had great depth, won super bowl despite lots of injuries in 2010-11
April 1st, 2012 at 12:51 am
#298 Ohio Raider
It’s not mindless paranoia about ESPN; the blog is run by Bill Williamson, who apparently used to cover the Broncos for the Denver Post. Guy’s not especially enthused with our team, and it shows.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:07 am
Antispy3 Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 5:04 am
Rod Woodson was a #1 draft pick who was touted for greatness when he came out of Purdue. He was so fast he briefly considered pro track. Due to injuries & erosion he successfully transitioned to FS with the Ravens. That was the position he played for Oakland.
Hayes was one of the best pickups Al ever made. He played OLB, for chrissakes @ Texas A & M. He probably saw something reminiscent to Willie Brown, who made a similar transition from college to the pros.
Nnamdi was a converted safety that was ticketed as a third round draft pick. All this angst about someone who had no supporting cast on “D” here in Oaktown. Hayes played opposite Mike Haynes, arguably one of the best CB’s of all time (acquired via trade half way through Hayes’ career); Charles Woodson was plying his craft while Rod was a Raider.
Rod & Lester both made Superbowl apperances while Raiders; Asmougha had nothing approaching that amount of success, playing in the nadir of the Raiders history. Why beat Nnamdi up for capatiaizing on his talent? It’s not like he wanted to leave. Hue & the coaching staff lobbied Al to keep him on board. It’s Al who preferred to keep Rout, who I wouldn’t have drafted @ the place he was taken (wanted Michael Roos, now one of the best LOT’s in the league in his stead) anyway; woulda taken him in the third round. . .
So why sully a relative good day to be a Raider fan with such angst? Especially when it is on a vitriol level?
What an unfair comparison!
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I think Lester Hayes was a LB/roverback (kind of like an in-the-box safety) as underclassman at Texas A&M, but he was an All-America safety (free safety, I believe) and knockout hitter as Jr. & Sr., and ran 9.4 100 yard dash. Some thought he lacked the ideal “intelligence” whatever that is to play safety in NFL. AD converted him to CB. Of course, he was a great athlete, not just a sprinter. AD seemed to lose the ability to tell the difference the older he got, but you have to give AD credit for drafting Nnamdi #1 when no one else thought that highly of him. Nnamdi 6-2 210 and about 4.37-40 on pro day I believe–maybe Al just got lucky, I don’t know.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:40 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
I just dont see many 3-4 guys.. no nt.. No 2nd ilb.. No 3-4 olbs.. And there are no more quality nts on the market..
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Depends on how you look at things. We certainly have a lot of ideal 3-4 DEs…but lack NT & LB. But it’s easier to find 3-4 LBs, they don’t need to be as well rounded. If your 4-3 LBs aren’t complete players, it usually hurts your D, but in the 3-4 you can have guys with a great specialty trait and make very effective use of them as part of overall defensive effort. Plus you get more team speed, guys who can cover kicks. But while you need 2 solid rotations of DL to keep them fresh, we do have 4-5 solid 3-4 DEs already.
NT would probably double as run stuffing DT. Last year in Denver, Allen played one DT on center’s nose even with 4-3 front. NT played on move a little rather than pure space eater type.
Allen has said that the scheme will best fit the talent, and that he will use a hybrid 3-4 4-3 which I think means what he did in Denver with a 4 man DL with one DT lined up on center’s nose.
We’ll see what happens in August
April 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Whats with all the hate towards TP and not giving him a chance to backup Palmer? You cant just say he is not ready when you see scrubs like teblow taking over a franchise. Give the kid a chance. I think he should back up Palmer and would not mind if he comes in if Palmer goes down.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
If Pryor was ready to back up Palmer then RM wouldn’t have come out and said that the team needs a legitimate backup. Nobody “hates” the kid. He’s just not ready to play. The last regime didn’t think he was, and apparently the new one feels the same way. Not sure why people have such a hard time understanding this.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
ET,
The Buckeyes lost yesterday. I’m so angry. Can I blame Preppie & Mich? I think that will make me feel better. I need to relax, but your comment is not helping the situation.
TP not Legit?
TP: Too Legit to Quit!
April 1st, 2012 at 7:56 am
Pryor has not played in an pro-style NFL offense in…ever, really. He’s not ready to be Palmer’s primary backup. I can see Reggie maybe waiting for some surprise camp cuts (Jimmy Clausen, Tarvaris Jackson, etc.) and bringing someone in then.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:57 am
ANNOUNCEMENT: The
Pittsburgh Steelers have signed ex-Raiders QB JaMarcus
Russell to a three-year, $25 million-dollar contract.
Insiders report Steelers Assistant Deputy GM
Larry “The Leech” Ostrander oversaw the coup.
Following an extensive training program,
Ostrander stated Russell could start by
October of 2012, but possibly earlier.
League sources refused to comment, but
Sportschannel has confirmed Russell’s addition.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am
April fools
April 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am
I posted TP’s college stats compared to J Locker’s, and TP had a better CMP%. J locker is the backup at Tenn, so I do think TP (after a year of NFL coaching) is capable if being a backup. The reality is all we have is a few words (that can be interpreted in different ways) from our GM, college stats, and a lot of opinions.
TP will prove himself in camp and preseason IMO.
Go Buckeyes!!
April 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
Q: Looking to add another quarterback behind Palmer, Pryor . .
McKenzie: Kind of the same as like running back for us, make sure you bring a legitimate guy in.
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I’m trying to understand how you’re tying “legitimate” into Pryor not being the backup?
We do need a #3 QB, right?
Who is out there that would be a clear upgrade?
We aren’t going anywhere with Clausen or Jackson, Duck.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:19 am
Pryor has not played in an pro-style NFL offense in…ever,
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I saw clips of him under center running the PA fake and making good throws.
I would think his primary set of plays would be out of the shotgun. Some sort of spread offense to make the defense honor his threat of running.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:24 am
I’m sure RM wants to create competition for the #1 QB but also for the #2 QB. You gotta have a #3 that pushes the #2 and the #2 pushing the #1.
Tho Palmer is still a good QB, and the clear starter, the guy who understands multiple concepts, a hard worker, can absorb all the info, run a huddle, etc. He is still in decline. He’s not a long-term QB.
Pryor I really like, he has great upside, and hasn’t been given a chance yet (not even a camp or much reps at all – because Palmer was traded for before Pryor finished his suspension, and Hue had to give him 100% reps). Giving Pryor 1-2 years at least, is what I hope RM gives him, to learn and see if he can push a declining Palmer for the starting job. So, Pryor himself needs a fire under his ass by signing a back-up to mentor and push him too.
But bottom-line, I think Pryor has as much talent as all those guys out there, Tebow, Newton, RGIII, Locker, Ponder, etc. I just want to see him given that chance in camp and preseason, and see how he develops. Not see RM cut/trade him ‘just because’ Al Davis drafted him before giving him that chance.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am
#372…Yep, Pryor has played in pro-style concepts as well as shotgun/spread. Pretty much the NFL now is all 3-4 WR sets, a lot of shotgun, and Nickel packages. Pryor has some experience and shown ability in pro-style, under center, PA, roll-outs, 3 and 5 step drops, as well as Shotgun/spread concepts.
The thing is, if Pryor can be given a patient chance (2-3 years) and works hard etc that he claims the #1 job, we would have another playmaker on offense that defenses would have trouble scheming against — a dual-threat QB, a McFadden/Taiwan/Goodson speed at RB, Ford/Dmoore/DHB speed at WR, Ausberry/Reece dynamic play from TE and FB.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:33 am
Pryor was a mid 3rd round pick, at the most important position in all of sports.
To compare his talents as a QB to first round picks like Locker, RGIII, Cam, Tebow and Ponder is beyond ridiculous.
I don’t think this staff and front office will have much patience with him as a QB. They didn’t draft him, and if he doesn’t grow QUICKLY (like all those others mentioned) he will be looking at a position change, sooner rather than later.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Pryor I really like, he has great upside, and hasn’t been given a chance yet (not even a camp or much reps at all
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Nobody had a camp last year, and everyone seemed just fine.
Not a valid excuse.
He needs to play well and show growth, pretty much immediately.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
He can’t grow, let alone quickly, if he hasn’t even had a camp yet, nor been given many reps running a 2nd or 3rd team offense against a 2nd or 3rd team defense. All he’s done since Palmer came has been training with the QB coach and some trainers fixing his mechanics, throwing passes like they do at pro-days to a WR without a full squad there, watching film with Palmer and tagging along with him, and studying the playbook to memorize cadences etc.
He himself said that’s all he’s been doing and just wants a chance to run some offense drills with full squads out there, etc.
Also, how can you say Pryor’s talent is NOT comparable to Tebow, Newton, Locker, Ponder, Griffin, etc?? Even statistically he’s comparable. Yes, we all know he has flaws and fared worse against better opposition, but his latent talents are very comparable.
Btw, Griffin is more overrated than Newton. Everyone was bagging Newton last season expecting him to bust (me too) but in hindsight watching his college tape he shows more NFL-readiness than Griffin does in his college film. Like I said on PFT, Griffin pretty much mainly threw one-read screens and short slants. When he had plays called with longer developing multiple routes, he struggled to go thru his reads and quickly, danced around too much, locked on too much, etc. Sure, he has a great arm and accuracy, undeniable, but where Griffin is right now he will struggle early on in the pocket in the NFL. Not saying he IS a bust, just that he’s gonna need work still. Pryor has at least had a half-season to acclimate to the NFL from the bench, learning how things work, working on his mechanics without pressure of stepping right in as a #1 and failing as he learns, crushing his confidence etc.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:45 am
To compare his talents as a QB to first round picks like Locker, RGIII, Cam, Tebow and Ponder is beyond ridiculous.
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He had better stats than Locker, and forming opinions on players based on what round they got drafted is ridiculous. Based on that Logic, JaBustus is better than Brady.
Locker never completed more than 58% of his passes at college. TP completed 60% as a freshman. He had off the field issues, and he was being suspended, and he came out after the regular draft, and that’s why he was a 3rd round pick.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Pryor was a mid 3rd round pick, at the most important position in all of sports.
To compare his talents as a QB to first round picks like Locker, RGIII, Cam, Tebow and Ponder is beyond ridiculous.
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Why is it ridiculous to compare their college stats/accomplishments?
Had it not been for the “scandal”, are you really telling me he goes no higher than Colin Kapernicky?
You really don’t think Newton and Tebowmania would have had some GM drafting him in round one THIS year?
April 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
That last bit about Griffin is meant to mean, that Pryor has comparable talents to all those guys. They all need work, and Pryor too, but once he gets given the chance and he puts in the work, we COULD have the same talented dual-threat QB that the Panthers and Redskins will have. Pryor is just as dynamic running the ball as Newton, and has run more pro-style concepts than Griffin has (that means sitting in the pocket, making 3-5 step drops with quick releases to timed routes requiring going thru progressions, running PA’s and roll-outs. Whereas Griffin hasn’t, and Griffin danced around left and right ad lib more than what Pryor did, which is a riskier thing at NFL level.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am
Based on that Logic, JaBustus is better than Brady.
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Not talking better, talking talent.
Jamarcus had waaaaaay more arm talent than Brady coming out of school.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:54 am
Locker never completed more than 58% of his passes at college.
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Well, he had 4 TD’s to zero picks and a 100 QB rating last year, and is pushing the starter for his job.
And still didn’t complete 60% of his passes.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am
You really don’t think Newton and Tebowmania would have had some GM drafting him in round one THIS year?
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Well being that half the league didn’t even show up for his pro-day, it would be a pretty safe bet he wouldn’t.
You guys are acting like the sup draft is some penalty to the player. Teams actually like the sup draft, because you get a player today for a pick next year.
It’s just that 99% of college players have their stuff together enough to go in the regular draft.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
Isn’t Pryor’s agent Drew Rosenhaus?
You don’t think that if he was considered a first round pick he would have just came out in the regular draft?
He had to try to go back for his senior year, so he would be one of the first 5 QB’s taken. He wasn’t going to be otherwise if he came out his junior year.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
After giving SS Tyvon Branch the franchise tag earlier in the offseason, a source said the Raiders are looking to work out a long-term deal with the playmaking defender. We hear that new GM Reggie McKenzie is hopeful he can extend Branch, whose play has improved each of his four NFL seasons, with a long-term deal at some point this offseason. A new deal also would provide some cap relief to the Raiders, who are currently set to pay Branch $6.2 million for the 2012 season.
-Pro Football Weekly
April 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Cmon JFB, Really???
No OSU scandal, Pryor plays every game this past season, leads his team to another Rose Bowl win …
Where is he drafted?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Didn’t O tell us that Newton and Pryor faced each other and Pryor had the better game?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Cam and Pryor didn’t play against each other.
Pryor did play Mallett, both didn’t look that great, and both were taken in the 3rd round.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
Let me try this another way.
JFB,
What do YOU think Pryor’s challenges are as far as being a good QB for us?
How many games did you watch him play?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Mallet dropped because of the drug rumors.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am
No OSU scandal, Pryor plays every game this past season, leads his team to another Rose Bowl win …
Where is he drafted?
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I deal with reality.
He actualy DID start every game and win a Rose Bowl, than a Sugar Bowl.
Mid 3rd rounder.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
What do YOU think Pryor’s challenges are as far as being a good QB for us?
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Good starting QB = 15%
Good backup QB = 50%
Good 3rd WR = 40%
April 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am
I deal with reality.
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LOL.
Yeah, ok.
Keep the buhhllshhh flowin bruh.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Didn’t O tell us that Newton and Pryor faced each other and Pryor had the better game?
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J,
I never said that bro.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I deal with reality.
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LMAO
You like Tebow!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Good starting QB = 15%
Good backup QB = 50%
Good 3rd WR = 40%
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What question were you answering?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:54 am
Locker never completed more than 58% of his passes at college.
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Well, he had 4 TD’s to zero picks and a 100 QB rating last year, and is pushing the starter for his job.
And still didn’t complete 60% of his passes.
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Imagine what TP can do when he gets his chance? He actually completed 60% of his passes as a freshman.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
J,
I never said that bro.
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My bad.
I thought you gave us some stats of a head to head game he had against a big name QB where he came back and beat them?
Or was it Cam’s stats being thrown out against another big name?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am
What question were you answering?
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Just putting some odds on things.
His challenges are whatever caused him to fall to the 3rd round, and for half the league to pass on even showing up and seeing him on his pro day.
I am sure we will find out soon enough what those are, because we know it isn’t athleticism.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am
J,
It all good bro. Maybe another poster said it. I only posted his stats against Locker’s.
If TP didn’t have the off the field issue, and played his SR year, he would have been a 1st round pick.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
O,
You are killing me with this completion % business.
Peyton didn’t do 60% his rookie year, Brees was 56, 60, 58 his first three years. Vick has done it once out of 10 years. Favre didn’t do it in either year he went to the Super Bowl.
But hey, Jason Campbell does it every year!!!!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:33 am
That’s the thing, O.
Every GM in the league saw Tebow play, and no one thought him worthy of more than a 4th rd pick.
Dude lost 4 out of the last 5 games he suited up in.
And we still have the Tebow lovers telling us he’s better than Pryor.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:33 am
His challenges are whatever caused him to fall to the 3rd round, and for half the league to pass on even showing up and seeing him on his pro day.
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That’s because “half the league” were not interested in a QB with off the field issues who was going to be suspended for 5 games with no OTAs, if what you are saying is true.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
What were Herm Edwards & McNabb talking about with skip on Easpn when talking about Tebow? CMP%!!!!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
15 of the 32 teams didn’t show up to his pro-day. Not showed up with some doubts and preconceived notions, showed up and asked him to run some WR routes.
Just flat out, I ain’t even going to go.
Besides, the real kiss of death for Pryor is the fact that Priest loved him and told us of greatness to come.
If you have been paying attenion around here, that puts his chances of being anything close to that, somewhere between slim to none.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
And we still have the Tebow lovers telling us he’s better than Pryor.
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PRYOR > tebow…. In every facet.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
J,
If Al drafted Tebow, the media and fans would still be laughing and calling him an idiot.
Tebow is a joke, and to prove it, his own GM and HC traded him for a 4th round pick.
His own HC said it was a fiasco, and he can’t keep winning with that level of talent at QB.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Regarding Pryor; some of you are missing the point entirely. It doesn’t matter what he did in college. It doesn’t matter what Jake freaking Locker did or didn’t do. It doesn’t matter whether he would have gone in the regular draft.
What matters is how his existing skillset and knowledge of the pro game translates to what he would be asked to do if he saw the field. The last regime didn’t think he was ready, and the new one seems to agree with their assessment. Those people have a whole lot more tangible evidence to work with than we do (for example, they’re probably not watching YouTube highlights of his college games to ‘evaluate” him).
This isn’t about Tim Tebow, or Cam Newton, or draft position. It’s about Terrelle Pryor and what he’s shown his coaches so far. Still don’t understand why that’s so hard to grasp.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
BHP likes TP, so that means TP is going to fail?!
I hope you use better logic with your clients. lol
April 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
His challenges are whatever caused him to fall to the 3rd round, and for half the league to pass on even showing up and seeing him on his pro day.
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Look here salesman!
That answer tells me you haven’t watched the guy play.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
It will come out in the wash here soon enough. I am not rooting against Pryor, in fact I am pretty excited to see what he can do.
I just form an opinion on players, than they get to prove me right or wrong. And as the jettising of Bruce Campbell this week showed AGAIN, I am right more often than wrong.
I have been wrong before, and Pryor will have plenty of opportunities to make me look foolish, and I hope he does.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
I have been wrong before, and Pryor will have plenty of opportunities to make me look foolish, and I hope he does.
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Nice hedge
April 1st, 2012 at 9:45 am
TPRYOR is going to beat out ALL comers for the no 2 spot…
April 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
PRYOR > tebow…. In every facet.
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As a collegiate QB? Nope
Heisman wins and National Championships? Nope
Where he was drafted? Nope
Rookie year in the NFL? Nope
Will Pryor win the division, go 8-5 as a starter and throw for 300 yards in a playoff win this year? Probably not
He does run faster though, and did catch a TD as a WR in college, so I will give him the edge as a WR prospect.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
BHP also liked RGIII, around the time you were saying RGIII was a 3rd or 4th rounder….
April 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
And as the jettising of Bruce Campbell this week showed AGAIN, I am right more often than wrong.
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Buhhhllll!
You said Campbell was a bust and headed towards a stellar career as a tire changer.
Said he would be CUT!
How were you right again?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
How were you right again?
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Was definetly wrong on RGIII, i will have to dig up where ya said he was a 3rd pick…
April 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
That answer tells me you haven’t watched the guy play.
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I watched all his bowl games, and he won me some money when they beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl. Watched here and there other times.
Looked like a mid 3rd rounder to me. Some potential, great athleticism and size, poor anticipation and accuracy.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
BHP also liked RGIII, around the time you were saying RGIII was a 3rd or 4th rounder….
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Exactly.
RGIII, a 3rd or 4th rounder according to JFB, went for a ridiculous how many number 1 picks???
April 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Said he would be CUT!
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Give him a few months in Carolina.
I said he would never play here, and he never did.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
PRYOR > tebow…. In every facet.
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My belief is that TPRYOR will have abetter NFL career as a qb, than tebow…NFL….IN EVERY FACET….
April 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Looked like a mid 3rd rounder to me.
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Like RGIII?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
RGIII was definately one of the few times I whiffed.
Seems to happen more on guys not in the Silver and Black (Cam as another example).
When it comes to my squad, I am pretty nails. Go ask Kevin Boss, Bruce Campbell and Hue Jackson.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Give him a few months in Carolina.
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So you’re admitting that you actually are not right on Campbell yet?
If he’s on the team as a backup, you were wrong, right?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
I still don’t think RGIII will stay healthy enough in the league, and Washington (as par for the course) will fail miserably.
He is a great kid though, and I am rooting for him. I would love for him to beat Dallas and Romo and continue to make all the Cowboy media lovers look stupid.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
LMAO J
April 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
When it comes to my squad, I am pretty nails.
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Dude i dont know about that…
I almost want to go back and see your opines on DMO, WIZ, Veldheeer, JFORD, McClain, DHB etc
April 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
If he’s on the team as a backup, you were wrong, right?
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I never put my predictions on what Bruce Campbell would do as a Carolina Panther.
I just knew he was vastly inferior to Savage and would never see playing time. Plenty of people, like YOU, told me he would compete for the starting job for 3 offseasons.
I disagreed, and he never did.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Said he would be CUT!
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Give him a few months in Carolina.
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But you allready did…
April 1st, 2012 at 9:59 am
I almost want to go back and see your opines on DMO, WIZ, Veldheeer, JFORD, McClain, DHB etc
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I was THE ONLY person who had D-Moore in my mock draft. I was talking about him BEFORE WE TOOK HIM. Ask Buckeye Raider.
Wiz, thought he would be better as a G than C.
Didn’t have a take on Veldheer, other than he went to a right-wing college so I had hopes for him.
Ford, always thought he was a trick-play player.
I told everyone we would draft McClain, 6 months before the draft. Ask Rockstar.
DHB, I have flip-flopped on him a ton. Liked him when he sucked, started to turn the other way right when he did, lol. LIke the kid, wanted to draft him.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am
So JFB, are you going to be rooting for the jets now that they have aquired tebow?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:04 am
Didn’t have a take on Veldheer, other than he went to a right-wing college so I had hopes for him.
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?????, what does that have to do with his performance on the field?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Republican <—-Better performance in the NFL
Democrate <—–Inferior performance in the NFL
Is this the logic?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Democrat
April 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
So JFB, are you going to be rooting for the jets now that they have aquired tebow?
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I will root for Sanchez to fail like I usually do.
Tebow doesn’t need me to root for him, God is already doing it.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
I just knew he was vastly inferior to Savage and would never see playing time. Plenty of people, like YOU, told me he would compete for the starting job for 3 offseasons.
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3 offseasons?
Campbell would have certainly started last season had he not come into trainging camp with a hurt knee. Al Davis would have seen to that.
The season before that, Bruce Campbell was literally mentioned by the owner as a reason Cable was fired.
Speaking of the new regime, one of the FIRST moves they made was cutting “Savage” and replacing him with Brisiel. Savage was resigned for the basically the vet minimum which smells like backup depth IF he can make the team.
Unlike the 2 million Barnes got, which says he has a chance to start.
Savage is now my guy though. I appreciate him coming back to the team for pennies. He could have just retired.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Savage is starting, just moving to the left side it seems.
I believe that was from the organization wasn’t it?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Tebow doesn’t need me to root for him, God is already doing it.
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Get this guy outta here
April 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Tebow doesn’t need me to root for him, God is already doing it.
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Lost 4 outta 5 games.
Team he “got to the playoffs” traded him. Had been trying to do so since February according to NFLN.
New team already talking about using him at positions other than QB.
Who’s rooting for him again?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Savage is starting,
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Link?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Q: Which guy is the left guard in that scenario?
McKenzie: It seems like they want to put Cooper over there.
Q: He’s been exclusively a right guard . . .is that a big deal?
McKenzie: No, no. Coop didn’t think so. Coop feels like he can do it. We’ll let him work this whole offseason and play in preseason, and get it down
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Coop “feels like he can do it”?????
Sounds like we’ll be drafting a LG in case Coop is wrong.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Wassup TJ,
How about that 3-20 from Bean Bryant yesterday?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Q: Which guy is the left guard in that scenario?
McKenzie: It seems like they want to put Cooper over there.
Q: He’s been exclusively a right guard . . .is that a big deal?
McKenzie: No, no. Coop didn’t think so. Coop feels like he can do it. We’ll let him work this whole offseason and play in preseason, and get it down
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Coop “feels like he can do it”?????
Sounds like we’ll be drafting a LG in case Coop is wrong.
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Remember that RM understates everything. Carlisle “feels like he can [play left guard]” the same way that paying Wimbley $11 million for one sack every five games was a “little out of whack.”
April 1st, 2012 at 10:22 am
I expect Carlisle to have his best season as a pro, never miss a snap all season (AGAIN) and lead this team to the playoffs.
And than, retire at the end of the year.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
JFB,
You’ve been one of the most outspoken guys on the topic of players switching positions.
Cooper Carlisle is a RG. Are you ok with switching his position to LG?
He was so good at his natural position that we had cut him and replace him?
April 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
I think a Guard is a Guard.
I don’t like tackles to guards, guards to tackles and moving from LT to RT.
Also concerned of Wiz moving to C, as he has played less than 16 games there his whole life. I think he will get it, but there is some on-the-job training that is tough to deal with when we are trying to win a division.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Gotta run, good talk, Raider On
Go Pryor!!!
April 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
Exactly, Duck.
“We’ll let him work this whole offseason and play in preseason, and get it down”
Play in the preseason = not a starter.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Panthers see Mike Tolbert as a fullback
Posted by Josh Alper on April 1, 2012, 8:52 AM EDT
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So much for the theory that Tolbert made Goodson expendable.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Breaking news: Carson Palmer informed the team Saturday night that he is taking his talents to the Dolphins. Reggie Mckenzie responded by saying we didn’t really like that cracker or his out of whack contract besides the Raiders were going to name Terrell Pryor Oakland’s starting QB. When asked about TP’s lack of training camps and game experience, Reggie responded with ” practice, we don’t need no stinking practice, we’re ready to roll to the lombardi trophy with our young stud!
The move is likely to cause much bally hooing throughout the league.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
It was reported that Carson felt like he was being dissed by the organization and a few rougue bloggers with talk of elevating Terrell Pryor. Said Carson, ” those bloggers really hurt my feelings and I feel like the organization didn’t have my back on this one”
April 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Panthers see Mike Tolbert as a fullback
Posted by Josh Alper on April 1, 2012, 8:52 AM EDT
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So much for the theory that Tolbert made Goodson expendable.
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DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart made Goodson expendable. Briesel mad Campbell expendable.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
I saw video of Wheeler playing for the Colts per the links a poster provided. I watched most of them and didn’t see one play Wheeler made. Actually he was always a day late and a dollar short on every play; he reminds a lot of McClain, tossed out of the play by opponents, runners getting by his out stretched arms or hands, out of position, cart wheeling through the air after the play is over, lured away from the ball.
Maybe the staff can make something of him, or maybe the videos didn’t do him justice.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am
Reggie should keep an eye out of Mycal Kendricks of Cal. Kid is a good player, always around the ball, with a high speed motor. He will probably go unnoticed until the later rounds.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:35 am
If Wheeler was really good Pat Angerer wouldn’t have beat him out. Did we sign Lawrence Taylor? No. Is Wheeler better than what we have? Most def.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am
had 84 tackles in 11 games. i like his chances in getting 115+ as a full time starter. we’ve needed a run stuffing SLB for a long time. WIMPley would never have been that guy.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Seymour Bush, 455
Thanks for the opinion on Wheeler.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:43 am
edward teach Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Regarding Pryor; some of you are missing the point entirely. It doesn’t matter what he did in college. It doesn’t matter what Jake freaking Locker did or didn’t do. It doesn’t matter whether he would have gone in the regular draft.
What matters is how his existing skillset and knowledge of the pro game translates to what he would be asked to do if he saw the field. The last regime didn’t think he was ready, and the new one seems to agree with their assessment.
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While you are 100% correct, remember the new regime has not even seen him yet unless you consider vids of practices held last year. In fact, the new regime hasn’t even handed out playbooks to anyone yet. That won’t happen til tomorrow. Of course, we are all excited about tomorrow.
April 1st, 2012 at 11:51 am
yea NAPALMER really wants to get ahold of that playbook. he has the luxury of spending the next 6 months to learn and practice it day and night. he and Moore will be one of the best duo’s in the league in 2012, PRINT IT!
April 1st, 2012 at 11:53 am
If Tebow can be successful in some games with his style of play, i trust Pryor can mimic him should Carson go down. run around a lot, pitch it to DMC, Jones, or Goodsen.. or huck the ball down field. he throws a very wobbley pass, but i’m positive that he can drop it in there for the big play. the kid seems dedicated enough, does he not? that will help anyone, again, look at Teb0ner’s dedication and hard work?!
April 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am
DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart made Goodson expendable. Briesel mad Campbell expendable
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I can buy that.
Both teams got what the needed.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
The last regime didn’t think he was ready, and the new one seems to agree with their assessment.
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Of course he wasn’t ready with no offseason camp or preseason. Not to mention being banned the first part of the season.
Why do you say the new regime doesn’t think he’s ready? Do you see us trading for a QB?
April 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
briesel > workout warrior all day!
April 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm
It’s beeing widely reported that Carson Palmer has quit on the Raiders and is taking his talent to Miami. Carson cited harsh treatment from bloggers on one of the Raider online communities stating,
” man those guys are harsh with all the glowing talk of Terrell Pryor, it just really hurts a guys feelings, this is gonna sting for a while”
Reggie Mckenzie responded with,
“We didn’t like that cracker and his out of whack contract, besides we were already planning on naming Pryor our starting QB and we’re ready to roll with our boy!”
This is expected to send shockwaves throughout the league.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
April Fools!!
April 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Taiwan Jones > goodson
April 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Of course it was an April Fools!!!! But Carson was right, you guys are a tough crowd.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Of course, we are all excited about tomorrow.
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No doubt….Should be seeing Tweets about guys hitting the books…
April 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Of course it was an April Fools!!!! But Carson was right, you guys are a tough crowd.
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2 things you don’t joke around with;
1. Money
2. The NATION
April 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
i like the fact that NAPALMER has so many d@mn weapons on this offense. Goodsen just adds to the chaos of speed! he won’t be utilized that much, as most appearances will be on ST’s, but he could be a dangerous option. much like what Cartwright did for the Raiders, only better because of his experience!
April 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Goodson very well could be the backup RB. The new coach and GM didn’t draft Taiwan Jones.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Tomorrow it starts
April 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
The first OTA in 2 weeks?
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April 1st, 2012 at 12:48 pm
xraided Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
briesel > workout warrior all day!
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Briesel is a football playing tough guy who played with a broken leg.
Campbell is a male model, guy who couldn’t get on the field because he was “hurt” who never saw the field.
I’ll take Briesel.
April 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I’ll take Briesel.
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Making way too much of the Campbell thing.
I don’t think you’ll find one person who would take a 4th rd project over a proven guy like Brisiel.
The issue was more of Carlisle and the right side of the line constantly getting caved in. Bruce Campbell was the backup to a weak link. It could have been “insert name here” behind Carlisle and we would have been screaming for him just as loudly.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Are people on Terrelle Pryor now?.
Lol, some of you guys are just looking for something to complain about.
Look, the kid is a major project, everyone knew it when he was drafted and coming in with no off-season workouts and an express training camp didn’t help.
It’s gonna take awhile, but you are not gonna find many 6′6 240 guys with 4.3 speed who starred at QB for a major college program, so when you get one you have to make sure you take the time to develo him and find out if he can become your QB in a couple of years.
And excuse me but as far as talent is concerned, Pryor definitely compares with Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, Christian Ponder or any of the young, athletically gifted QB’s around the league.
From everything I’ve read on the kid, he’s hardworking and willing to put the time needed to become a player, unlike old # 2, so when you couple his will to work and his talent, you end with a guy worth waiting for.
Finally, Greg Knapp, a noted QB coach is going to help Pryor a lot, he was the guy who turned Michael Vick into an NFL QB and got T.J. Yates to play well enough to take Houston into the playoffs last year.
So let’s just give Pryor some time and let Knapp coach him up before we claim he can’t play.
We do need an NFL ready back-up, but that’s not because Pryor can’t play, he’s just not ready yet, apparently.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Are there any more FA line backers out there, were still thin back there and I’m not sure we can fully solve that one through the draft.
So who’s got that list of FA linebackers? Any ideas?
April 1st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Jhill,
What I see is Reggie McKenzie quote as saying that he’s goiing to look for, in his words, a “legitimate Guy” to back up Carson Palmer. What I also see is that Al Saunders is still on staff, and Saunders has seen Pryor as a professional more than all of us combined.
I’m going to assume you can figure it out from there.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
arkraider Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Are there any more FA line backers out there, were still thin back there and I’m not sure we can fully solve that one through the draft.
So who’s got that list of FA linebackers? Any ideas?
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I like Larry Grant from the whiners. I think the Whiners resigned him, but only to a one year tender. Grant played INCREDIBLY well when Patrick Willis was out. I am surprised we didn’t make a run at him but then again, the Whiners have got everybody over there buying in and reupping. Good for them.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Post 476, solid on point…
April 1st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
$3.4 million in cap room for the Raiders, according to PFT. Panthers at the bottom of the list with $600k
April 1st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
476, well said.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Also from PFT’s workout tracker:
Oakland
-East Carolina offensive tackle Steven Baker (4/?).
-Houston linebacker Sammy Brown (4/12).
-Alabama defensive tackle Josh Chapman (?/?).
-Slippery Rock receiver Devin Goda (3/?).
April 1st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
The way I look at it with TP, worst case scenario would be turning him into a Brad Smith type of player down the road, he’s now in Buffalo and I didn’t get to watch him much last year but back with the NYJ he was a weapon out of a wildcat type formation where he could run, throw or split out wide.
Looks like the Jets will try to do that with Tebow now and if we were to go that way, I’m sure Pryor would be a more dangerous weapon since he throws a better ball, runs much faster and also catches the ball.
And that’s not too bad for a 3rd round draft pick not making much money, of course our expectations, at least mine, are much higher than that … but that’s what makes the Pryor pick a good one, lots of upside and potential, but if he does not become a top-notch QB, he should be able to contribute as a wildcard on offense.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Raiders looking into adding experienced cornerback
http://alzadofootballcrazy.yardbarker.com/blog/AlzadoFootballCrazy/neon_deion_sanders_elvis_toast_pattersons_cover_blown_againby_al_davis_big_tuna_bill_parcellsrumor_spread_on_toast_by_nnamdi_asomugha_toast_returns_as_ghost_in_upset_victory/5980297
April 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Hardline Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
I saw video of Wheeler playing for the Colts per the links a poster provided. I watched most of them and didn’t see one play Wheeler made. Actually he was always a day late and a dollar short on every play; he reminds a lot of McClain, tossed out of the play by opponents, runners getting by his out stretched arms or hands, out of position, cart wheeling through the air after the play is over, lured away from the ball.
Maybe the staff can make something of him, or maybe the videos didn’t do him justice.
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http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/
This is the link your talkin about, he has some more vids of wheeler up now.
These are not highlight videos
The link above is pretty cool, the guy must spend alot of time on it. I have spent hours checking out his vids and reading his breakdowns of players etc. Thanks to whoever posted this link the other day
April 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Last thing from PFT:
Seattle LB David Hawthorne is still on the market as of the 28th. Rated #50 on PFT’s top 100 free agent list.
Jarvis Moss is listed at #86, by the way.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I think TP could be employed in a Brad Smith type of role, depending on how well he adjusts to the offense during training camp. Might be nice for us to run a speed lineup around goal line, at least until we find ourselves a bruiser at RB.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I think Hawthorne signed with the Packers
April 1st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
What I see is Reggie McKenzie quote as saying that he’s goiing to look for, in his words, a “legitimate Guy” to back up Carson Palmer.
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But he doesn’t say “to back up Carson Palmer”. The question was a guy to back up Palmer AND Pryor.
April 1st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I would think/hope if Pryor wasn’t ready to play, then we would have made a move for a QB by now.
Especially with playbooks being handed out tmw.
April 1st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Arkraider Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Are there any more FA line backers out there, were still thin back there and I’m not sure we can fully solve that one through the draft.
So who’s got that list of FA linebackers? Any ideas?
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EJ Henderson could be had for cheap these days since he’s still floating out there. he’s also had injury problems, so it had better be something like a 2 yr $5 mill contract. he beasted it up yet again for the Vikings, and was let go. still on the market! GET HIM REGGIE!
April 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
arkraider Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Are there any more FA line backers out there, were still thin back there and I’m not sure we can fully solve that one through the draft.
So who’s got that list of FA linebackers? Any ideas?
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I like Larry Grant from the whiners. I think the Whiners resigned him, but only to a one year tender. Grant played INCREDIBLY well when Patrick Willis was out. I am surprised we didn’t make a run at him but then again, the Whiners have got everybody over there buying in and reupping. Good for them.
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absolutely. i was screaming for Grant as well. yes the niners have something many teams around the league don’t(only the contenders) .. i’m just hoping Dennis Allen can bring the same thing to this ballclub. we have more pieces in place on offense than the niners do, and a new philosophy on D.. there’s no excuses now!
April 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Of Reggie’s FA contracts, only Brisiel, Bartell, and Spencer are locks to make the 53-man roster, plus the trade for Goodson.
Between Lee, Wheeler, Underwood, and others I expect only two to be active,
Raiders will have five rookies make the cut, with at least one a udfa
April 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
What?!,
We haven’t traded Condo for Larry Fitzgerald yet!?
Reggie your slackin;
Condo for Congress!
April 1st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Seems like we have our 3 starting LB’s already, depth should come via the draft and undrafted players and maybe one more little-known free agent.
Anyway I wouldn’t worry about LB anymore, we’ll live or die with McClain next season wether people here like it or not and he’ll be flanked by Curry and Wheeler.
The weakest position I see is Tight End, everywhere else we have a decent starter in place.
I know we are all excited about Ausberry’s skills but he’s far from a complete player at this point and Rich Gordon looks like he’s gonna become one those monster blockers as the 3rd TE.
But so far it looks like Brando Myers is the starter, he won’t kill us since he can block and catch a little but we’ll definitely be missing a key element to Knapp’s offense and also, I’d love to see Palmer play with a good TE for a channge, I don’t think he’s ever had an above average one.
A guy like Joel Dreessen, who was a 6th round pick like Myers was a solid player for Houston last year so maybe he can “break out” next year.
The only TE I like in the draft is Dwayne Allen and he’ll be gone by our pick, fleener is good but we have no shot at him.
Former GB vet Donald Lee is a FA but he’s probably done at this stage and it would be hard to cut one of the younger guys for him.
April 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Of Reggie’s FA contracts, only Brisiel, Bartell, and Spencer are locks to make the 53-man roster, plus the trade for Goodson.
Between Lee, Wheeler, Underwood, and others I expect only two to be active,
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Wheeler will be a starter. No reason to assume otherwise.
April 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
The weakest position I see is Tight End, everywhere else we have a decent starter in place.
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Interesting, Marley.
Why do you have the monster blocker as a 3rd TE? Why isn’t he a starter?
Why can’t we just peg Ausberry into the same type of role as a Gates or Shannon Sharpe?
I love our young guys at TE.
April 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Ausberry = Pass catching tight end better than what NE had…
April 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Seems like we have our 3 starting LB’s already, depth should come via the draft and undrafted players and maybe one more little-known free agent.
Anyway I wouldn’t worry about LB anymore, we’ll live or die with McClain next season wether people here like it or not and he’ll be flanked by Curry and Wheeler.
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You are exactly right. Problem is I have not seen anything that makes me think McClain can play in this league. Now, again, he is only two years in, and his problems certainly are that opposing offensive coordinators are having a field day screwing with him. Hopefully, this is the year where he can be better at diagnosing plays and making the right key reads.
April 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Realtruraider Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Hardline Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
I saw video of Wheeler playing for the Colts per the links a poster provided. I watched most of them and didn’t see one play Wheeler made. Actually he was always a day late and a dollar short on every play; he reminds a lot of McClain, tossed out of the play by opponents, runners getting by his out stretched arms or hands, out of position, cart wheeling through the air after the play is over, lured away from the ball.
Maybe the staff can make something of him, or maybe the videos didn’t do him justice.
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http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/
This is the link your talkin about, he has some more vids of wheeler up now.
These are not highlight videos
The link above is pretty cool, the guy must spend alot of time on it. I have spent hours checking out his vids and reading his breakdowns of players etc. Thanks to whoever posted this link the other day
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good lookin on the site my man! didn’t know that existed. yes that man has a lot of time on his hands! the NATION is very proud.
April 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I guess I should have said, I got five hundred on it….
April 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Seems like we have our 3 starting LB’s already, depth should come via the draft and undrafted players and maybe one more little-known free agent.
Anyway I wouldn’t worry about LB anymore, we’ll live or die with McClain next season wether people here like it or not and he’ll be flanked by Curry and Wheeler.
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You are exactly right. Problem is I have not seen anything that makes me think McClain can play in this league. Now, again, he is only two years in, and his problems certainly are that opposing offensive coordinators are having a field day screwing with him. Hopefully, this is the year where he can be better at diagnosing plays and making the right key reads.
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don’t forget about McClain’s arthritis in his foot. that won’t go away. i’ve seen him hustle, but you can tell it slows him down.. or he doesn’t get the push off he wants when trying to shed a block. he just needs to be a 3-4 ILB again, that way he won’t have to be a sideline-sideline LB.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
I love our young guys at TE.
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indeed. Ausberry showed with those few plays in preseason that he can find open spaces and grab the ball .. his speed is unmatched at his size.. all he needs to do is practice good route running.. if he wants to be anything like Gates or Vernon. I remember his blocking wasn’t half bad either. it’s no secret that he can greatly improve these areas.
imagine if he does succeed and we have yet another reliable, big play maker running around down field? good lord, Palmer can truly be a top 5 QB in this league in 2012. TELL ME IM WRONG!
April 1st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Problem is I have not seen anything that makes me think McClain can play in this league.
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Really?
“Play in the league”???
So not even a serviceable backup?
April 1st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
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don’t forget about McClain’s arthritis in his foot. that won’t go away. i’ve seen him hustle, but you can tell it slows him down.. or he doesn’t get the push off he wants when trying to shed a block. he just needs to be a 3-4 ILB again, that way he won’t have to be a sideline-sideline LB.
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Agree, also in whats left of the FA market is far deeper @ the Ilb position with David Hawthorne, London Fletcher, E.J. Henderson
as opposed to the DE position that we still have an opening for
April 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
J Hill, I am probably being a bit harsh. McClain is certainly miscast as a sideline to sideline MLB behind an even front. He is certainly more suited for an ILB position in an odd front system. The thing I would love to see, bring in Jon Vilma the second New Orleans releases him. Vilma would cost next to nothing, he would most likely have to serve an 8 game suspension minimum, and at that point we could activate him, we would know if McClain is the answer. If he isn’t, Jon Vilma is.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Seems like we have our 3 starting LB’s already, depth should come via the draft and undrafted players and maybe one more little-known free agent.
Anyway I wouldn’t worry about LB anymore, we’ll live or die with McClain next season wether people here like it or not and he’ll be flanked by Curry and Wheeler.
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are you sure that our starting LBs are certain?
This starting trio must scare the hell out of the league…three Hall of Fame locks…only on April Fools Day
April 1st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
J hill.
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Interesting, Marley.
Why do you have the monster blocker as a 3rd TE? Why isn’t he a starter?
Why can’t we just peg Ausberry into the same type of role as a Gates or Shannon Sharpe?
I love our young guys at TE.
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I have Gordon as the 3rd TE because you can’t start a guy who won’t be able to run routes and catch balls, last year, as a rookie, Gordon entered the game exclusively on running downs, short-yardage situations when everyone knew a run was coming and we dared the Defense to stop it, so it didn’t matter if we gave the call away, even if ocasionally you’ll run a fake.
Point is, I don’t know if Gordon is the type of guy who will develop a complete game, he’s just in his second year so he has time, I’m not doubting him either, I truly don’t know.
Same goes for Ausberry, right now he’s not a guy you want to have blockin DE’s and OLB’s on a constant basis.
In time, it could be a combo TE situation with Gordon and Ausberry rotating upon down and distance, but I feel those two need at least one more year of NFL experience.
We could always go with a 2 TE Offense featuring a blocker and a receiver type, but Marcel Reece is too good to sit, I expect Reece’s role to increase under Knapp, not just as a FB but as a true H-Back on a more consistent basis.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Xraided Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
I love our young guys at TE.
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indeed. Ausberry showed with those few plays in preseason that he can find open spaces and grab the ball .. his speed is unmatched at his size.. all he needs to do is practice good route running.. if he wants to be anything like Gates or Vernon. I remember his blocking wasn’t half bad either. it’s no secret that he can greatly improve these areas.
imagine if he does succeed and we have yet another reliable, big play maker running around down field? good lord, Palmer can truly be a top 5 QB in this league in 2012. TELL ME IM WRONG!
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I hope you’re right, but…
Hopefully Ausberry breaks out, but since college this guy has a rep of showing flashes of brilliance, then being hailed as a coming great, then not producing much.
So, I’ll believe it when I see it.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
This is the make it or break it year for McClain
Heard hes had talks with DA & Mckinzie hopefully they mold him into shape.We’ve seen what happened to Routt,Boss & company hopefully Reggies plan for this guy comes to be
April 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
alzadoX Says:
are you sure that our starting LBs are certain?.
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Pretty sure yeah.
You may not like it, but that’s the way it’s going to be, so far.
We’re not trading for Pat Willis or Jame Laurinaitis, you know?.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
You might see the new regime using Gordon as a full back or H back instead of TE. Or some combination thereof.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Stfu with the hating on mcclain its like some of u idiots in here want him to fail give the guy this year and lets see how he does he didnt have a competent D coordinator last year, i think he can break out n really contribute.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
The coaches have mentioned McClain alot in the media. When new regimes come in and they are mentioning a player often in the media, normally it means one of two things: either 1) the player is a great player and the new staff is looking forward to working with that player, or 2) it is time to fire up the waiver wire.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Well I for one LOVE the team as it stands now and agree with the GM when he says we could put a team on the field right now.
I think we’ll add to an already solid team with the draft picks we have. LB depth and guys to upgrade our STs will be the priority.
McKenzie will find us a NT and some LBs, no doubt in my mind!
April 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
alzadoX Says:
are you sure that our starting LBs are certain?.
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Pretty sure yeah.
You may not like it, but that’s the way it’s going to be, so far.
We’re not trading for Pat Willis or Jame Laurinaitis, you know?.
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true, but I think new Reggime will bring in more competition for starting & roster spots. Hopefully push that group of former high draft picks to produce (2 high #1’s, #3) even if no one added later can crack the starting lineup. If we go 3-4, someone else will play a lot
I expect the Reggime will target a LB who can rush the QB early in the draft
Travis Goethel looks like a backup to me, though he is tough and versatile and can play any LB position + cover kicks if healthy. Tactfully could say he’s smart, tough, and disciplined takes on blocks rather than running around them and getting caught out of position. Truthfully would have to say he gets blocked out of more plays than he makes, and lacks athletic ability to avoid blocks. Didn’t really impress vs. second string scrubs in preseason 2011 before blowing out ACL.
Only other LB currently on roster is 2011 practice squadder Carl Ihenacho, who could be a pass rusher
April 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
AlzadoX Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Xraided Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
I love our young guys at TE.
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indeed. Ausberry showed with those few plays in preseason that he can find open spaces and grab the ball .. his speed is unmatched at his size.. all he needs to do is practice good route running.. if he wants to be anything like Gates or Vernon. I remember his blocking wasn’t half bad either. it’s no secret that he can greatly improve these areas.
imagine if he does succeed and we have yet another reliable, big play maker running around down field? good lord, Palmer can truly be a top 5 QB in this league in 2012. TELL ME IM WRONG!
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I hope you’re right, but…
Hopefully Ausberry breaks out, but since college this guy has a rep of showing flashes of brilliance, then being hailed as a coming great, then not producing much.
So, I’ll believe it when I see it.
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same was said about Moore.. and we got a glimpse of it when he disappeared for a couple of game(before the injury) .. it’s all part of transitioning from college to the pros. it’s all about consistency. yes time will tell, but i like his chances. it again comes back to how hard you actually work on the craft. i suspect guys like him, Gordon, Pryor, and Moore are really working hard to become a consistent contributor.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
We don’t need Ausberry to be great. That would be a bonus. We just need him to do his good job of catching balls.
Same with McClain. I don’t need him to be a pro bowler. If Allen and Tarver can turn him into one, all the better.
These guys are certainly capable of being solid contributors.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Well I for one LOVE the team as it stands now and agree with the GM when he says we could put a team on the field right now.
I think we’ll add to an already solid team with the draft picks we have. LB depth and guys to upgrade our STs will be the priority.
McKenzie will find us a NT and some LBs, no doubt in my mind!
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What happened to all the posters who were hating on Reggie Mac after he re-signed Khalif Barnes a few days ago? (I actually think it was a good move myself)
Should be noted that, aside from Bartell, Reggie Mac’s moves don’t exactly stock our roster with Pro Bowl calibre talent. But he seems to be doing the best he can with the money situation and the coaching staff is supposed to get these guys to play cohesively and at their peak level.
Like what new Reggime is doing. Still have draft, rookie UDFAs, June 1st cuts and late market/ bargain free agents. Expect a lot of value/ budget players to be brought in to compete at unsettled positions, especially on defense.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
38Cs Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Stfu with the hating on mcclain its like some of u idiots in here want him to fail give the guy this year and lets see how he does he didnt have a competent D coordinator last year, i think he can break out n really contribute.
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you clearly don’t see what we see. it’s okay, you probably weren’t even looking at what #55 did all the time. he has A LOT OF WORK TO DO if he is to become a starting caliber LB in the NFL. anyone that knows about playing the position would tell you the same. it’ s not hating, it’s called realism kid.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
AlzadoX
true, but I think new Reggime will bring in more competition for starting & roster spots. Hopefully push that group of former high draft picks to produce (2 high #1’s, #3) even if no one added later can crack the starting lineup.
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Agreed.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
J Hill Says:
Well I for one LOVE the team as it stands now and agree with the GM when he says we could put a team on the field right now.
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Maybe I don’t love it, but I do like it a lot and agree with that statement, these team is ready to either take the West or at least get a wildcard, provided we have a little better luck with injuries and the new Coaching Staff is the real deal.
April 1st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I hope you’re right, but…
Hopefully Ausberry breaks out, but since college this guy has a rep of showing flashes of brilliance, then being hailed as a coming great, then not producing much.
So, I’ll believe it when I see it.
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same was said about Moore.. and we got a glimpse of it when he disappeared for a couple of game(before the injury) .. it’s all part of transitioning from college to the pros. it’s all about consistency. yes time will tell, but i like his chances. it again comes back to how hard you actually work on the craft.
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hopefully Ausberry working hard and will break out soon. CP3 is talking him up. We’ve all seen the flashes as a receiver. Hopefully he’s been working on his blocking too.
what I meant re: Ausberry in College is that he was always the great hope after spring practice and then could never crack the starting lineup in the fall. When healthy, Moore was a starter in college for last couple seasons at least
Of course, that was then (Ausberry was WR too), that’s water under the bridge now.
We really need him to step up and grab the starting job in the fall.
Hope that Ausberry and a WR (sleeper is Eddie McGee) can at least step up as a red zone threat and possession receiver
in any case, I think cutting Boss ($, concussions) was a no brainer another good move by Reggime. No reason to spend all that money on a guy who didn’t clearly outproduce the replacement level guy (Myers).
April 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Hey NT lovers.
Since it’s a slow day, I will live you guys with an interesting article about the Nose Tackle position, it’s copied from profootballfocus.com:
“As time goes forward it seems like the NFL is becoming more and more of a passing league.
It means we’re seeing more three and four receiver sets, and an increasingly large number of sub-package defenses that see at least five defensives backs on the field.
That’s great news for wide receivers wanting to pick up more receiving yardage or cornerbacks wanting to see more playing time.
Unfortunately, this transition has seen the value of the true nose tackle plummet.
The one-time cornerstone of a 3-4 defense, the “zero-technique” was traditionally a player that could eat up blocks and free his linebacker up to make plays.
The Pittsburgh Steelers had the prototypical NT in the sizeable form of Casey Hampton who was renowned as one of the most dominant defensive players in all of football.
However, in the modern NFL, the worth of a player like Hampton just isn’t what it was as life on the nose involves spending an increasing amount of time watching from the sidelines.
Let’s take a look at what this could mean for a stacked nose tackle class about to hit free agency.
The curious case of Aubrayo Franklin
When the 2011 free agency finally opened, it was widely acknowledged that Aubrayo Franklin was one of the top free agents out there.
I myself had him ranked seventh of all available FA’s after a stellar 2010 season where he finished second in our run defense rankings for all DTs with a +24.3 grade.
The 146th overall pick from the 2003 draft, Franklin was the standout NT available after four years in San Francisco. He wasn’t just the type of defender that ate up blocks, but had an eye for the ball carrier.
Franklin consistently ranked as one of the top DTs when it came to causing offensive failures (defensive stops).
So with teams like the Houston Texans and Kansas City Chiefs having a serious need on the nose, why is that serious interest failed to materialize in a player who starred at this spot?.
Well, something I overlooked, when slotting Franklin as my No. 7 free agent wasn’t what he could do, but rather what he couldn’t.
He couldn’t rush the passer and therefore couldn’t play every down.
In a rather startling oversight, I failed to realize the significance of Franklin playing only 12 snaps all year in a nickel defense, and when you look at his pass rushing numbers it’s not hard to see why.
That kind of lack of productivity means there’s next to no chance of teams keeping Franklin on the field in any nickel or dime defense.
That, in turn, limits how much he plays and, therefore, how many plays he can make. How can a franchise justify spending big on a nose tackle when they are in on 53% of plays like Franklin was for the 49ers in 2010?.
So, in hindsight, it’s clear to see why the market for a NT like Aubrayo Franklin never developed and why he ended up taking just a one-year deal from the Saints.
The question now becomes: will things be different this time around for top nose tackles prospects like the trio of Pouha, Soliai and Garay?.
Before we get started in breaking down each player in depth, let’s take a look at how all three compare with the top-ranked free agent nose tackle from 2010. In terms of playing time, the data below shows three years worth of snap count data, indicating the percentage of defensive snaps they played for their teams.
From the looks of the table, all three face similar problems to Franklin in struggling to get on the field enough to make a sufficient impact to justify such a big deal.
None of them are going to be confused with a nose tackle like Jay Ratliff who featured in 70.9% of plays this year, and 70.2% the year before.
It’s a position that for the most part is seen as something where you can find a guy to contribute on the cheap somewhat.
The Texans realized that this year by getting some serviceable displays from both Shaun Cody and Earl Mitchell.
Sure, we’ve seen the 49ers and Dolphins use the expensive franchise tag on Franklin and Soliai, respectively, but NFL teams seem to be moving away from giving big deals to guys whose impact can be negated by using certain offensive groupings and going pass heavy.
Yet, just because the trio of Pouha, Soliai and Garay are playing somewhat comparable levels to Franklin doesn’t mean they can expect to find quite as tough a market as he did in 2011 and could do this year.
So, let’s look at each individual case and see what stands out for them.
The Cream of the Crop – Sione Pouha
A 33-year-old nose tackle with four sacks in the last four years doesn’t jump out at you as someone who should be among the top free agents.
That’s just the position Sione Pouha finds himself in right now. A young 33 (he hadn’t seen more than 250 snaps on defense in a year until 2008), the former Utah Ute has been one of the stars of the NFL since gaining more playing time after the injuries Kris Jenkins suffered.
Playing in the Jets’ hybrid scheme, Pouha has flourished playing all along the defensive line. We’ve seen him line up over the nose at the zero-technique while also handling being pushed out as far wide as a five-technique end.
This versatility comes about by his capacity to not just eat up double teams, but to also stack and shed blocks once he reads the direction of plays.
This talent has led to him constantly making more plays in run defense than other DTs, and earning extremely high grades from us as the table below shows.
Posting even more impressive numbers than Aubrayo Franklin, ‘Bo’ has firmly established himself as one of the most dominant run defenders in the NFL.
Where he also has the upper hand on Franklin is how the Jets use him.
While the 49ers limited their NT to just 12 snaps in nickel formations, making it easy for teams to take him out of the game, the Jets exotic defense ensures that teams going to three receiver sets are still likely to face Pouha.
This led to the Jets third round pick out of the 2005 draft playing 225 of his snaps while the Jets were in a form of sub-package defense. Part of this comes down to him being a better pass rusher (finishing 35th in our PRP ratings for 2011 out of 73 qualifying candidates), but more than anything this comes down to how the defense is built with a need for a player like Pouha.
Therein lies the difference in his value compared to Franklin’s.
Take the 49ers defense. They could quite easily switch to nickel and still get plays up the middle, because players like Justin Smith and Ray McDonald could play the run and pass in nickel situations.
It didn’t hurt to have Patrick Willis and Takeo Spikes behind them, players who can shed blocks to make plays.
The Jets have a different defense which involves a heavier rotation and players like David Harris who flow to the ball far better than they engage blockers.
Sure they have Bart Scott, but he’s a player who could both be on the outs (increasing the need to re-sign Pouha) and is more adept at putting others in a position to make plays.
The Jets’ run D is built on funneling runners and it needs players like Pouha to make this possible. He is almost essential to how they play, and that’s why the Jets are making a far bigger effort to re-sign him than the 49ers did when faced with possibly losing their own zero-technique.
The Enigma – Paul Soliai
Riding high after an excellent 2010 season, things seemed to go downhill for Paul Soliai once the Miami Dolphins designated him with the club’s franchise tag.
We can only speculate as to why, but a move that may have been made to force the NT into signing a long-term deal seemed to push Miami away from a player who was something of a wrecking ball in 2010.
Was this Miami moving on from a player it didn’t feel would be a long term contributor, or them responding to a lesser year from Soliai? Either way we saw fewer snaps and thus less impact plays from a guy whose star was suppose to be on the rise.
The table above is a real indication of the problems in valuing Soliai. He is clearly capable with a tremendous upside as his 2010 shows.
Even his 2009 demonstrates how much of a playmaking prospect he can be at tackle with the fourth highest percentage of defensive stops in the run games from all DTs.
But his streaky play has to be a concern for any team considering making him a centerpiece of their defense after a merely decent 2011. That said how much of that was down to Soliai and how much of that was down to the Dolphins?.
Mike Nolan’s defense was intriguing in that it featured specific defenses on first, second, and third down depending on what package the offense was in.
This is where the big change came for Soliai who saw far fewer snaps in 2011 in the Dolphins’ second down nickel package as the return of Jared Odrick hastened the Dolphins’ moving on process as the table below shows.
So while Soliai was not nearly as impressive on the field in 2011 it would be unfair to lay the blame solely on him as the Dolphins severely cut down on his opportunities in their second down 4-2-5 sub package.
It’s hard to understand why this happened for Soliai who excelled in the role and had previously looked more than just a one-dimensional run-stuffer in 2010, as the table below shows.
Not elite numbers with his pass rushing, but enough to suggest he’s not the single-facet player that Aubrayo Franklin was seen as.
Factor in his age (just 28) and that he has plenty of tread left on his tires, and Soliai has plenty to offer to teams using both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes (he wasn’t just limited to lining up on the nose).
The Penetrator – Antonio Garay
For years nose tackles were thought to be the big, plodding Casey Hampton type. They’d eat up blocks and prevent teams from running up either ‘A gap’.
However, in recent years we’ve seen teams look for more impact plays from the spot, and for guys that can play in any situation.
The constant success of Jay Ratliff in the Dallas defense and the excellence of Shaun Rogers in his debut season in Cleveland saw teams prepared to give guys who can get up field a chance as the centerpiece on a three-man defensive line.
One of these guys to thrive in this role was Antonio Garay who came out of nowhere in 2010 to put forth a quite remarkable season.
What makes Garay different is that unlike both Pouha and Soliai who can take on double teams and play two gaps, Garay is very much an explosive, penetrating lineman who is at his best attacking one gap and getting up field.
He’s not as strong as a player like Brodrick Bunkley, but has a quicker first step that means he’s more of a nuisance to quarterbacks.
You only have to see how he has performed amongst defensive tackles in our pass rushing productivity study to see this.
It was only situational rusher Parnell McPhee that bested him in 2011 as Garay maintained his high level of productivity even though he found himself doing the majority of his rushing from the Chargers base defensive package.
Given his low profile and how good he is at rushing the passer you’d think Garay would be all about the pass rush.
However, it’s quite the opposite with the Charger also excelling when it comes to impacting the run game as the table below shows.
That kind of production, in both phases of the game, is astounding, so why is it that teams should be concerned by Garay?.
Well for one, this year the Chargers asked more of him and he seemed burdened by the increased expectations.
The extra attentions defenses paid to him didn’t help either and he dropped from 2nd in our DT rankings to 31st.
Then you have his age which, at 33, may put some teams off.
For players whose game isn’t so much about getting up the field that need not be a worry, but with a player whose game needs this it has to be something of a concern.
But that’s speculative and Garay’s play hasn’t dropped off a cliff yet so why would it start now? A capable one gap defensive tackle can play in a variety of schemes, and Garay is plenty capable with very little wear on his tires.
A Different Ball Game
In a different era, Aubrayo Franklin may have been the most sought after free agent.
Nowadays, his lack of versatility and the rule changes that have made the game more pass-friendly mean we’re in the kind of NFL where teams would rather pass on, than pay pure zero-technique tackles on the wrong side of 30.
Still, the crop of guys about to hit the market and their agents will have learned from the fall of Franklin in August last year as team after team passed him by.
They stand to possibly lower their demands and accentuate how they can’t be as pigeon-holed as the former 49ers defensive linemen was.
Maybe, just maybe, this will see all three get the kind of deals that Franklin missed out on.”
I left out their tables and numbers, they don’t “paste” well, so you can get those at the pff.com site.
April 1st, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Well, that was long…but I’d rather separate the text into smaller bits than just pasting the whole thing together, easier to read.
By the way, I’d love to obtain a NT, but no need to overpay for one as the article demonstrates.
Oh and Shaun Rogers is still available, I would sign him to take over John Henderson’s role, can’t be too expensive.
April 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I just hope the new regime doesn’t spend a high draft pick on Manti Te’o if McClain falls short of expectations.
I watch a lot of Notre Dame games because my dad is an alum. Te’o has a bit more playing speed than McClain, but I see the same things. Runs around blocks instead of shedding them, which doesn’t exactly translate at the next level. Lots of tackles, but no game-changing plays. Looks to me like an ILB or SLB only.
Really looking forward to seeing the way the Reggime (really like that, whoever coined that term…) handles the draft when they have some higher picks. Although, ideally, we’d be looking at a situation where the Raiders don’t have a first-rounder next season because that would mean they made it to the AFC Championship game in 2012. Not sure they’re ready to make it that far, but we’ll see.
Back to McClain – he needs to be more decisive. Can’t stand back and let plays come to him. When he’s caught flat-footed, he doesn’t have enough recovery speed to still make the play (see: the Stafford run). He’s better in coverage than people give him credit for. And he can blitz – but he doesn’t fight through the trash in the middle well, which makes me think that going forward he’d be a very good fit as a 4-3 SLB. He doesn’t have enough sideline-to-sideline speed to be an MLB. The ILB position would theoretically limit the amount of field he has to cover, and putting some two-gap players in front of him SHOULD keep him cleaner and allow him to blitz more. But on the inside, I still worry about his ability to shed blocks.
Generally, good LBs don’t take long to develop. So I’m a little discouraged when it comes to McClain. I wanted the Raiders to draft him, and I thought he could be an impact guy from day one. Here’s hoping he finds his stride with a new coaching staff – lord knows the last two didn’t really find a role for him in which he could succeed. More than anything, though, the kid needs to find his focus. Hard to be a committed, decisive, intelligent playmaker with a lot of distractions around you.
April 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Reggime (really like that, whoever coined that term…)
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Agreed!
April 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
The article above is why I like NT Josh Chapman. He was on the field a lot, in spite of the fact that the Alabama defense was only in the 3-4 20% of the time.
April 1st, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Pick up Haloti Ngata & call it a day
April 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
The article above is why I like NT Josh Chapman. He was on the field a lot, in spite of the fact that the Alabama defense was only in the 3-4 20% of the time.
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April 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Marley,
One Love One Heart
thanks for informative posts #525-526
April 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Chapman would be a dream come true! i suspect that we will have to move up in the 3rd round if we want to snag him.
yes the article above makes some valid points. on the other hand, tell that to Wilfork on NE! the guy is a stud!
April 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
yes the article above makes some valid points. on the other hand, tell that to Wilfork on NE! the guy is a stud!
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The Patriots play a LOT of 4-3, though, and Wilfork plays almost every defensive snap. Dude is a freak.
April 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
On offense, if Knapp does not get some more running backs this could be looong season. Reports say that Knapps likes to run first throw second.
After Mcfadden gets injured in about week six, our main options are Tiawan Jones and Goodson.
I like McFadden’s speed and power, but I don’t respect him…yet. Every professional athelete has to play with some pain.
I don’t know if it was a Hue Jackson parting shot at the organization, but when Hubris made the announcement that McFadden would be ready week 18 after we were eliminated from the playoffs, I must say I lost a lot of respect for Mcfadden.
Why make an announcement at that time?
If he was ready that week, why was it not possible to get it a few days earlier versus Sandiego?
It smakced of insolence and laziness and NO HEART.
Like I said maybe it was Hubris playing games, but it left a bad taste. Hope Dmac can earn the Nations’ respect in 2012
April 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
How do the Raiders trade up to get Chapman? Please don’t tell me they could trade #12. JFB pointed out some of Ford’s injury issues but I’d love to see him in S&B for the next 10 years.
I don’t think Reg will trade future draft picks.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Chapman this! Chapman that!
Let’s realize there’s another player better than Chapman every year! This year we just need yo bite the bullet and play out position.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Let’s realize there’s another player better than Chapman every year!
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Huh?
The Raiders need to draft the best player available with each of their draft picks. If Chapman makes it to #95, there’s a very good chance he’ll be on the short list.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:23 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
yes the article above makes some valid points. on the other hand, tell that to Wilfork on NE! the guy is a stud!
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The Patriots play a LOT of 4-3, though, and Wilfork plays almost every defensive snap. Dude is a freak.
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they’re a base 3-4 D though. he plays NT like no one’s business. yes it’s true that pure zero technique NT’s are being phased out, but on the other hand, if you get a dominant one, you can stuff the line a lot more consistently. just my opinion
April 1st, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Chapman dropping to 95 would be rare.. i think Reggie needs to move up to take him. trade a draft pick from next year’s to do it. shouldn’t cost that much to move up 30 spots or so to snag him!
April 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Hey Young American I got this from PFF:
Rolando McClain (1.4 overall, -8.3 coverage) has the second worst (110 of 111) rating in coverage among interior linebackers. That is somewhat misleading because he has played 897 snaps, many more than many of the players just in front of him. But the question is still why? McClain is a net positive because he is a good run stopper and pass rusher, but I wonder if the Raiders would be better off to leave McClain on the sideline for obvious passing downs.
Original Article: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/12/23/fantasy-which-young-linebackers-could-see-increased-usage-in-2012/
I was also wondering what you think of burfict in the 5th. Mayock said based on last season’s film he is an undraftable prospect and I’ve seen from multiple sources that he overpursues and a lot and his instincts aren’t top notch.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
they’re a base 3-4 D though. he plays NT like no one’s business. yes it’s true that pure zero technique NT’s are being phased out, but on the other hand, if you get a dominant one, you can stuff the line a lot more consistently. just my opinion
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Base 3-4 is misleading, though. They play most snaps with four down lineman. The thing about Wilfork is that he’s more than a 2-down player.
It’s easy to find a two-down NT in the draft. It’s not as easy to find a player versatile enough to play 0-tech effectively AND still be featured in your defense’s other looks – particularly on 3rd down. If you find a player who looks like he can do that, I don’t believe you can “overdraft” him.
For me, I’m not entirely sure I would draft Ta’amu at #95 if he were on the board. Good player? Yes. Too high for a guy who won’t see the field for a good chunk of the defensive snaps. I don’t see him as a Ngata clone as some seem to. I’m not even convinced Dontari Poe is that, although it’s impressive that a guy with his size has so much agility – I think there’s a better chance of Poe developing into the Ngata/Wilfork vein than Ta’amu. Although Poe is very, very raw.
Chapman may not be flashy, but he’d be a great value at #95 considering how much he did for the Alabama defense. An NT you can keep on the field is a rare commodity. It’s also the reason I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chapman drafted at the end of the 2nd round, maybe even before Ta’amu.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Guy Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Hey Young American I got this from PFF:
Rolando McClain (1.4 overall, -8.3 coverage) has the second worst (110 of 111) rating in coverage among interior linebackers. That is somewhat misleading because he has played 897 snaps, many more than many of the players just in front of him. But the question is still why? McClain is a net positive because he is a good run stopper and pass rusher, but I wonder if the Raiders would be better off to leave McClain on the sideline for obvious passing downs.
Original Article: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/12/23/fantasy-which-young-linebackers-could-see-increased-usage-in-2012/
I was also wondering what you think of burfict in the 5th. Mayock said based on last season’s film he is an undraftable prospect and I’ve seen from multiple sources that he overpursues and a lot and his instincts aren’t top notch.
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Burfict is not a player I would take a chance on with so few draft picks. Give him a camp invite as a UDFA, see how he plays with a chip on his shoulder. But there are better players out there, with much less baggage.
The problem I saw with McClain in coverage last season had to do with his decisiveness or lack thereof. Most of the time he was in good position, but missed on the play. I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt here, because he wasn’t bad in coverage as a rookie. I think off-field distractions had a lot to do with his performance overall.
Some of it had to do with really, really poor coverage schemes, as well. Curry playing what appeared to be a two-deep zone in a nickel package, Lamar Houston in man coverage against Antonio Gates, Kam Wimbley split out wide against Vernon Davis… truly abysmal scheme.
A creative defensive coordinator will keep McClain (and other players, especially LBs) out of no-win situations in coverage. Again, I don’t think he’s bad in coverage. I think he’s slightly above average for a LB. Other LBs who are pretty poor in coverage (Lofton, Connor, etc.) are not regarded as liabilities because their defensive coordinator does his best to put them in the right situation to begin with.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I also don’t agree with that site in saying McClain was a good run defender. From what I’ve observed in games, he doesnt attack the rbs or shed blocks. Do you find PFF reliable?
April 1st, 2012 at 5:48 pm
PFF is generally reliable, but you have to keep in mind they’re focused more on the “what” than the “why”. It’s a small part of the picture.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:49 pm
How do you feel about Wheeler? There is some film on him at http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/
April 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
he just has a lot of work to do. 3rd year is pivotal for his success in the NFL! I want to see EJ Henderson go along side McClain to show the kid a thing or two about run D. i would love to see Curry-McClain-Henderson-Wheeler as our 3-4 linebacking crew. Curry would be the only liability in coverage, obviously.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Wouldnt Curry be a better 3-4 ilb than olb? He is more of a run stopper than a pass rusher to me.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Wheeler I think is a good pickup. He can play SLB well, which is a position of need for Oakland.
Personally? I don’t think he’d be a bad fit for 3-4 OLB. Undersized, sure, but he can set the edge and has plenty of untapped potential as a pass-rusher.
Something to note is that, while he hasn’t been much of a pass-rusher for the Colts, their defensive linemen (particularly their ends – Mathis and Freeney) are undersized, athletic types who are typically rushing the passer themselves. They didn’t play the type of defense where the LBs were being kept clean by the defensive line so that they could roam around and make plays.
Given that Wheeler was an accomplished pass-rusher in college, I’d like to see him at SOLB in 3-4 looks. If he can shed blocks, set the edge, AND get to the QB, that’s exactly skill set a player would need to be an effective 3-4 OLB.
April 1st, 2012 at 5:58 pm
McClain is a net positive because he is a good run stopper and pass rusher,
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So McClain grades out as a good run stopper and pass rusher, eh?
Agreed with YA that he was in position most of the time in pass coverage last season despite horrible schemes.
McClain will be just fine.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Guy Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Wouldnt Curry be a better 3-4 ilb than olb? He is more of a run stopper than a pass rusher to me.
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Agreed. The things I like most about Curry are his ability to play through the trash in the middle, and also use his athleticism to make tackles in space. ILB would limit the range he’d need to cover, and allow him to make plays against the run.
He’s never been much of a pass-rusher – consistently loses battles against OTs when rushing off the edge.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
A lot of folks in here were high on Goethel.
Where does he fit in this?
OLB – Curry
ILB – Goethel
ILB – McClain
OLB – Wheeler
Can this group get it done?
April 1st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
And am I missing something about McClain? I almost never see him fight off blocks or make good tackles for loss by shooting gaps like any of the good line backers do.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I heard we are going to bring back Terdell Sands
April 1st, 2012 at 6:03 pm
OLB – Wheeler
ILB – Curry
ILB – McClain
OLB – ShoNasty
Maybe this group?
April 1st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Here’s what I would like to see with the front seven:
DE/DT: Houston, Seymour, Bryant, Kelly (nickel DT), Shaughnessy (at LDE in 4-3 looks and nickel/dime packages)
NT: rookie, Ivey?
ROLB: rookie, Groves
RILB: McClain, Goethel
LILB: Curry, rookie
SOLB: Wheeler, Groves/rookie/Shaughnessy (standing up in some looks, elephant rusher-style)
April 1st, 2012 at 6:07 pm
And am I missing something about McClain? I almost never see him fight off blocks or make good tackles for loss by shooting gaps like any of the good line backers do.
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McClain had at least 6 tackles in 11 games he played in last year. Had several games with at least 8 tackles.
You don’t think he was making good plays in those games?
April 1st, 2012 at 6:08 pm
That way, the 4-3 looks would look like:
RDE: Shaughnessy
DT: Houston, rookie NT, Seymour, Kelly, Bryant
LDE: Bryant, Seymour, rookie for depth
WLB: Curry?
MLB: McClain
SLB: Wheeler
April 1st, 2012 at 6:08 pm
You don’t think he was making good plays in those games?
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To be fair, a lot of those were clean-up tackles a la Kirk Morrison.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Sorry – at 556 I meant Shaughnessy at RDE in 4-3 looks and nickel packages.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
If you see other guys like Spikes or Mayo they are getting much more tackles than McClain and their tackles are near the los. A lot of it can be put on the DTs not making life easy for him though. It may also be scheme like you said
April 1st, 2012 at 6:15 pm
To be fair, a lot of those were clean-up tackles a la Kirk Morrison.
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Disagree.
I maintain that our 3rd down defense was more of an issue than any part of our defense.
Case in point, was just rewatching the last SD game. Opening play for SD, McClain stops the runner for 1 yd gain. McClain in pass coverage on the next play stops Gates after the catch for a 4 yd gain. 3rd and 5 turns into a 1st down because Wimbley jumped offsides.
2 stops by McClain on the first 2 series in a game that was going to send us to the playoffs? That kid was ready to play.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Interesting bit from Gary Kubiak at the owners meetings a couple of weeks ago:
“The third linebacker or the nickel corner?”.
Texans coach Gary Kubiak said at the owners meetings, repeating a question about what’s more important.
“You look at your schedule and say ‘OK, what are we going to play this year? Are we going to be in nickel all year, or are we going to be trying to stop the run?’ I think that’s what things will come down to.
“One year you might be out there in nickel defense 60 or 70 percent of the time. The next year it could be 50.
It all starts with your division. When Peyton was at Indy, if we didn’t have three good corners we were in trouble every time we played them. So I think you’ve kind of got to build your roster to compete in your division, No. 1, and make that decision.”
- By the way, I read about the usage of nickel packages in the NFL, the average was up to 48.5 percent of downs in 2010, don’t have the 2011 numbers but it probably reached 50% or more the way most teams were airing it out.
As far as our division goes, it’s goingo to be a challenge with Manning and Rivers perennial 4500 yard guys and KC has given Cassel plenty of weapons at RB in Charles and Hilis, as well as at WR with Bowe, Baldwin and Breaston, plus TE’s Moeaki and Boss.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
And I still maintain that a missed tackle by a LB should not equal a TD. We need better team tackling overall.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Most Raiders want an attack machine at mike, pat willis type, and mcclain aint it….
April 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Yeah, I’m not saying McClain doesn’t ever make plays at the LOS. I’m just saying he doesn’t do it consistently.
I don’t think he’s a completely lost cause. I DO think he has a lot of work to do, and that most of all he needs to improve his focus – that will in turn lead to more decisiveness. His biggest flaw is being caught flat footed, which leads to him getting blown up v.s. the run.
Even the above, though, is not completely his fault. Lack of gap discipline on the line allows linemen to reach the second level of the defense. But some of the better players in the league at the LB position v.s. the run find a way to overcome that with some consistency.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
“One year you might be out there in nickel defense 60 or 70 percent of the time.
It all starts with your division. When Peyton was at Indy, if we didn’t have three good corners we were in trouble every time we played them. So I think you’ve kind of got to build your roster to compete in your division, No. 1, and make that decision.”
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“Nickel corner is a starter” – Coach Allen
April 1st, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Most Raiders want an attack machine at mike, pat willis type, and mcclain aint it….
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Willis might be the best MLB in the league. Kinda unfair to call the kid a chump because he’s not the best guy in the league.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Mayo plays behind Wilfork and Gerrard MONEY Warren.
Willis plays in a 3-4, doesn’t he?
Doesn’t Spikes play in a 3-4 too?
Put 55 in a 3-4 and let’s see what he can do!
April 1st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
I’d like to see us play some chess games on defense.
Put a big ugly over the OG on the side where there is no TE. Take that OG out and don’t let him get to the 2nd level. Also, him pulling wouldn’t be an option.
Something to basically take their OGs out of the game plan.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
The thing that concerns me most about McClain is that, when an offensive linemen gets his hands on him, I’ve never seen McClain get free and still make the play. The top players in the league at the MLB and ILB positions can do that.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:29 pm
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 6:24 pm
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add Ray lewis,Dqwell Jackson,Cushing,Bowman,Bishop
April 1st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Most Raiders want an attack machine at mike, pat willis type, and mcclain aint it….
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Willis might be the best MLB in the league. Kinda unfair to call the kid a chump because he’s not the best guy in the league.
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Ah no…He was a first round draft pick from an SEC school…
Should be pro ready and hungry…
Comparision is warranted…
April 1st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
mclain is at best a ilb not a mike in a 4-3….
April 1st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Deosnt have insticts to play mike…
April 1st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I will give mmclain camp, presea, and the first 2 games.
If we stay 4-3 hope we draft a real mike for depth…
April 1st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
mlb <—- Should put fear in the heart of the offense.
mlb <—Should have the " I am going to F@CK you up" attitude
April 1st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
The ninors D is a reflection of its D leader…u
All of those gus have the attitude to hit and smash…
Who is the Raides defensive leader???
Where will the Raids draw the on field identity from???
April 1st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
The top players in the league at the MLB and ILB positions can do that.
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Not really.
Why do you think they always talk abou tbeing able to be clean?
An offensive lineman is going to win most one on one battles with a LB.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
The top players in the league at the MLB and ILB positions can do that.
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Not really.
Why do you think they always talk abou tbeing able to be clean?
An offensive lineman is going to win most one on one battles with a LB
April 1st, 2012 at 6:55 pm
on most run plays mmclain is allways in the washing machine…
I will say this to his credit, he manned up in the houston game…
April 1st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Btw Jhill I want McClain to succeed just as much as anyone else does, he just doesn’t really jump out to me. Hopefully a 3-4 hybrid defense will help him
April 1st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Regarding #525 isn’t this what I have been telling you guys for years? I also think some of you are waaay over valuing Chapman. I have him in the 4th round easily. Maybe the top of the 5th. If you guys think our run defense is instantly going to improve by putting a true nose tackle in there here is a quote from that PFF article:
“It didn’t hurt to have Patrick Willis and Takeo Spikes behind them, players who can shed blocks to make plays.”
When have any of you seen our LB crew stack and shed? You would have to go back to Romonowski to find someone who could do that week in and week out effectively.
April 1st, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Our MLB seems to be a low class gangsta wannabe.
Maybe it’s not his fault that he was raised in a bad environment, without a strong family support system? I don’t know, but on top of it all he gives us the famous “Stafford Whiff” and overall slow play, and the occasional slam the little white boy to the ground move.
I wish he was good. I don’t want him to be a below average at best player, I want him to be a stud MLB.
He’s the one guy on the defense that gives me a real negative feeling as to where this D is going.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Here’s my take on McClain.
I watched all the games, and there were some where he seemed like the first rounder we all thought we drafted, and others he seemed like he was slow, lost, and completely not interested in the play. The problem is that this happened about 50% of the time.
So whether that is because of injury issues or because he is that type of player that takes plays off, it is an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed.
We all know that he can hit when he wants to. Just ask Sproles. The question to me is whether that is something he can do in every play.
I think he needs to prove this season that he is worth the pick he got, otherwise we better start looking for another MLB. SO, let’s give the kid a clean slate of one year, and see what he can do.
That is my 2 cents.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
The top players in the league at the MLB and ILB positions can do that.
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Not really.
Why do you think they always talk abou tbeing able to be clean?
An offensive lineman is going to win most one on one battles with a LB
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Ray Lewis is definitely an example of that. He’s able to succeed at this age because he is, for the most part, kept clean by his linemen.
But watch Curtis Lofton play the run, for one example. An offensive lineman will get his hands on him, and Lofton will lower his pad level, use his hands to keep the lineman’s arms away, and make the play.
McClain is not very consistent with his hand placement or pad level when he gets near the LOS, especially when he has to work against off-tackle runs. Lineman get up underneath him, and he can’t get free.
Hand placement and pad level are essential to shedding blocks. McClain needs to work on both. There are some MLBs who are relatively successful without being exceptional at those things – Jon Vilma and Sean Lee come to mind – but what you’re able to do defensively is then somewhat tied to your ability to “hide” your ILB. Although, in the cases of Lewis, Vilma, and Lee, they excel at other things so they’re not exactly liabilities.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:07 pm
578.Thec Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
The ninors D is a reflection of its D leader…u
All of those gus have the attitude to hit and smash…
Who is the Raides defensive leader???
Where will the Raids draw the on field identity from???
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It isn’t Seymour. The example he’s shown is that if you’re consistently getting beaten by the guy your up against you start punching him after the play in frustration, and get yourself kicked out.
Or, punch the opposing QB if keeps throwing td’s
April 1st, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Regarding #525 isn’t this what I have been telling you guys for years? I also think some of you are waaay over valuing Chapman. I have him in the 4th round easily. Maybe the top of the 5th. If you guys think our run defense is instantly going to improve by putting a true nose tackle in there here is a quote from that PFF article:
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Read up on Chapman. More than a 3-4 player. Not just a two-down guy. Plays a lot for ‘Bama, even in the 4-3 looks.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:09 pm
What kind of effect do you guys think Johnny Holland will have on the LBs?
April 1st, 2012 at 7:15 pm
But watch Curtis Lofton play the run, for one example. An offensive lineman will get his hands on him, and Lofton will lower his pad level, use his hands to keep the lineman’s arms away, and make the play.
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I hear you.
Everyone on the team has room for improvement. McClain is no exception.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
If Chapman is the player you say he is, he won’t be available when we finally get to pick.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
First of all, people need to stop comparing McClain, a 4-3 MLB with Pat Willis or any other ILB in a 3-4.
Not the same position.
It’s much harder to thrive as the MLB in a 4-3, in fact there aren’t many great MLB’s nowadays.
Outside of Urlacher who is great and plays in a very particular scheme, who else is a great MLB?.
Curtis Lofton, Paul Posluzny, EJ Henderson, Rey Maulauaga, Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, London Fletcher, Stephen Tulloch, Barrett Ruud, James Laurinaitis, Joe Mays, D’Qwell Jackson….those are the most notable MLB’s around.
There are some very good players on that list, but would any of them have made a big difference in McClain’s place?.
You know, like moving up to a top 15 run defense?.
None of them would have.
It’s all about the new coaching staff and their defensive schemes, they have to be better than the Ryan-Marshall-Bresnahan trifecta.
Now McClain may need a little guidance and the support of the staff to finally put it all together, hopefully Johnny Holland and even Reggie Mack, former pro LB’s as we as Jason Tarver who has been around LB’s for years can reach out to him.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:22 pm
589.papertiger418 Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 7:09 pm
What kind of effect do you guys think Johnny Holland will have on the LBs?
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I think he will have a positive effect. Holland was a good LB with solid skills. Can he impart his knowledge to our LB’s? It remains to be seen. Maybe he can impart some of the basic fundamantals that YA referred to in his post cuz although the “fundamentals” are something u would think McClain would have mastered already, what we’ve seen is that is not neccessarily the case.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
If Chapman is the player you say he is, he won’t be available when we finally get to pick.
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That is indeed the most likely scenario. I see him being gone by the beginning of the 3rd, before Ta’amu is picked.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
that’s why i’m saying we should move up for him. give up some minimal price in next years draft. why not?! we need the depth very badly!
April 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Hopefully McClain realizes that party time is over; this is it…this season.
The honeymoon is over and he needs to realize if he doesn’t finally prove it on the field than his career in the league will be very brief and he’ll back in Alabama looking for a job in insurance…if he’s lucky.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I trust The Reggime can find us a quality NT without having to trade picks.
April 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I respectfully disagree with people who want to move up for someone, anyone.
I don’t believe in drafting for need, it leads to a lot of mistakes.
Keep our quality players and draft the best player available with each of our picks.
I’m with Reggie on this:
“I’m going to use the draft to make sure we draft the best available player.
And if it’s at a position where we’re strong at, so be it.
If we feel like this is the best guy, it’s a difference between adding solid starters and difference makers.”
April 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Read up on Chapman. More than a 3-4 player. Not just a two-down guy. Plays a lot for ‘Bama, even in the 4-3 looks.
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Yeah but remember, even in the SEC he may be able to dominate country kids from Deer Park Alabama and Wiggins, Mississippi for 4 downs but they’re not Birk and Grubbs.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Curtis Lofton, Paul Posluzny, EJ Henderson, Rey Maulauaga, Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, London Fletcher, Stephen Tulloch, Barrett Ruud, James Laurinaitis, Joe Mays, D’Qwell Jackson….those are the most notable MLB’s around.
There are some very good players on that list, but would any of them have made a big difference in McClain’s place?.
You know, like moving up to a top 15 run defense?.
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I think they would. The difference between those players and our players, is those players quickly diagnose what is going on and they deliver the blow. Our guys wait to get blocked, get blocked, and then the play goes for big yardage. And it happens over and over.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
The first OTA is tomorrow and there is no post getting us ready.Looks like the Cork and Jerry took another weekend off
April 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Anyone who thinks Mcclain is the sole reason for the pathetic run defense is delusional
100 tackles & 5 sacks in 14 games doesn’t just get handed to you
Yeah, the guy has problems, but Mckenzie is giving the guy a chance to help himself this year.Don’t forget Rolando was the YOUNGEST player on that defense last year(22)
April 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
J Hill Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
If Chapman is the player you say he is, he won’t be available when we finally get to pick.
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That is indeed the most likely scenario. I see him being gone by the beginning of the 3rd, before Ta’amu is picked.
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I have Ta’amu going at the top of the 3rd and Chapman going much later. But of course I’m completely guessing.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Tjbwall Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Anyone who thinks Mcclain is the sole reason for the pathetic run defense is delusional
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The issue with the Raiders run defense was one glaring issue: the Raiders led the league in the number of big plays given up on the ground. While 55 certainly had his issues, most of the big plays were the result of runs on the edges. And run support from the secondary, mainly the corners was basically non-existent. Hence one of the big reasons both corners are gone.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Alameda Lee Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Looks like the Cork and Jerry took another weekend off
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Cork and Jerry? I thought those guys just got all their stuff from us.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Tjbwall Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Anyone who thinks Mcclain is the sole reason for the pathetic run defense is delusional
100 tackles & 5 sacks in 14 games doesn’t just get handed to you
Yeah, the guy has problems, but Mckenzie is giving the guy a chance to help himself this year.Don’t forget Rolando was the YOUNGEST player on that defense last year(22)
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He just needs DISCIPLINE! For gawds sake… stay on assignment and stop guessing the gaps to shoot.. he SUCKS AT IT. Just stay on assignment… this is not a difficult fix.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
most of the big plays were the result of runs on the edges. And run support from the secondary, mainly the corners was basically non-existent. Hence one of the big reasons both corners are gone.
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Thank You!
April 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Curtis Lofton, Paul Posluzny, EJ Henderson, Rey Maulauaga, Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, London Fletcher, Stephen Tulloch, Barrett Ruud, James Laurinaitis, Joe Mays, D’Qwell Jackson….those are the most notable MLB’s around.
There are some very good players on that list, but would any of them have made a big difference in McClain’s place?.
You know, like moving up to a top 15 run defense?.
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I think they would. The difference between those players and our players, is those players quickly diagnose what is going on and they deliver the blow. Our guys wait to get blocked, get blocked, and then the play goes for big yardage. And it happens over and over.
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I disagree.
I don’t think having any of those guys instead of McClain would have made enough of a difference to turn our D into a top 15 unit.
Just look at D’Qwell Jackson and James Laurinaitis, two very good MLB’s but the Browns and Rams still finished among the league’s worst vs the run.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I’m just looking forward to seeing the defense play with cohesion. Hopefully, the coaches can integrate the new players into the lineup and make sure that accountability and teamwork is the standard. It’ll be exciting to see the coaching staff mature along with everything else. Remember, Allen was denied interviews by a number of teams, so the coaches are the same kind of patchwork unit as the new players on the roster. If we’re lucky, that’ll bring everyone closer together, since they’ve all got something to prove.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
BTW….who’s winning the game?
April 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Not sure, but Rob Ryan’s following his brother’s lead and getting a lap-band procedure.
April 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
When was the last time a Raiders linebacker blew up a runner in the hole? Aaron Curry maybe once or twice all season?
We need to find a replacement for Mclain or move him to the outside and move Curry inside.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I disagree.
I don’t think having any of those guys instead of McClain would have made enough of a difference to turn our D into a top 15 unit.
Just look at D’Qwell Jackson and James Laurinaitis, two very good MLB’s but the Browns and Rams still finished among the league’s worst vs the run.
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Laurinatis is an interesting comparison. Laurinaitis had over 140 tackles to McClains 100. Almost 40% more. + two picks. They are similar in size. But McClain has Seymour/Bryant/Kelly in front of him, while Laurinaitis has Fred Robbins and Gary Gibson. I would bet Laurinaitis would love having our guys in front of him.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Kirk Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
When was the last time a Raiders linebacker blew up a runner in the hole?
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Greg Biekert.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Kirk Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
When was the last time a Raiders linebacker blew up a runner in the hole?
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Greg Biekert.
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Bill Romanowski
April 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
McLame needs to be that thumper in the middle. ILB in a 3-4! that’s the only time he should be on the field IMO!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Just look at D’Qwell Jackson and James Laurinaitis, two very good MLB’s but the Browns and Rams still finished among the league’s worst vs the run.
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To Finish my thoughts, the run defenses of those two teams might be skewed by the fact that both their offenses were absolutely dismal. So teams could get up on them and just jam the rock at them, and they had no hope of coming back. When that happens defensive players get demoralized. Not that they should, they are pro’s, but they still do.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I disagree.
I don’t think having any of those guys instead of McClain would have made enough of a difference to turn our D into a top 15 unit.
Just look at D’Qwell Jackson and James Laurinaitis, two very good MLB’s but the Browns and Rams still finished among the league’s worst vs the run.
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Laurinatis is an interesting comparison. Laurinaitis had over 140 tackles to McClains 100. Almost 40% more. + two picks. They are similar in size. But McClain has Seymour/Bryant/Kelly in front of him, while Laurinaitis has Fred Robbins and Gary Gibson. I would bet Laurinaitis would love having our guys in front of him.
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that would be beastly. i’m pretty sure Animal Jr. is going to be a FA after this season..
i still want to see EJ Henderson in the mix. he can’t cost BigMac that much, can he?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Rob Ryan getting a lap-dance; that was vision I could’ve done without.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
James Laurinaitis is a beast. He os also a Buckeye.
Go Buckeyes!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
that would be beastly. i’m pretty sure Animal Jr. is going to be a FA after this season..
i still want to see EJ Henderson in the mix. he can’t cost BigMac that much, can he?
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I’m thinking Vilma. New Orleans is going to let him go, he is going to serve a major suspension for “bounty-gate” and we could bring him here for cheap. And there is NO WAY anyone would be able to run up the gut on the Raiders with an NFL defensive rookie of the year, 3 time pro bowl, ex world champ true MLB.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Are you guys blaming the secondary for our inability to stop the run?
we haven’t been able to stop the run for the last 8+ years!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Raider O Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Are you guys blaming the secondary for our inability to stop the run?
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I am but not them exclusively. Everyone on defense gets a share of the “we can’t stuff the run” pie.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
I think we can’t stop the run because of our scheme, lack of discipline, mentality (focusing more on rushing the passer), and not having the right players.
This will get fixed this season. I don’t expect us to become a top 10 defense, but I do expect to see a lot of improvements.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
We had Charles and Nnamdi (2 big and and solid CBs against the run) in 2004 & 2005, and we had problems with stopping the run.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Wasn’t Gibson our SS too? He was good against the run, but dude couldn’t cover.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Brahs, just got back from the LAKE SHOW victory over the Warriors, kicking it live with some honies in the Lexus luxury box.
Check this dope new catch phrase I just invented – “We Hate Golden State”. Massive diss, huh nerds
Still buzzin’ from all the top shelf margs and cajun jalepeno poppers. Ranch dressing may calm the nerves, but it sure don’t soothe the burn
And my weiner is sore from this unbelievable hand jiggity I got during the 4th quarter. Haven’t gone bareback in a while, next time gotta pack some lube in my fanny pack.
GETTIN’ BOLD ON THE PURPLE N GOLD
April 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
I just remembered who played FS in 04 & 05.
Stewart Schweigert!
April 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Marley Bob Says:
I disagree.
I don’t think having any of those guys instead of McClain would have made enough of a difference to turn our D into a top 15 unit.
Just look at D’Qwell Jackson and James Laurinaitis, two very good MLB’s but the Browns and Rams still finished among the league’s worst vs the run.
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Laurinatis is an interesting comparison. Laurinaitis had over 140 tackles to McClains 100. Almost 40% more. + two picks. They are similar in size. But McClain has Seymour/Bryant/Kelly in front of him, while Laurinaitis has Fred Robbins and Gary Gibson. I would bet Laurinaitis would love having our guys in front of him.
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Comparing McClain to Laurinaitis misses the point.
At this point Laurinaitis is a better player, that’s not up for debate.
Point was, even MLB’s that are considered among the league’s best such as Laurinaitis and D’Qwell Jackson are not enough to prevent a Defense from finishing at the bottom of the league’s rankings on run defense.
Yeah, the Browns and Rams offense sucked so they ran on them a lot, but if you go by YPC Clev still finished at 21st with 4.4 and St. Louis was 29th I think at 4.8…and yeah, we were last at 5.1.
So, it’s hard for me to believe that replacing McClain with any of those guys would have made us jump from 30th or so to inside the top 15th.
Now when you say:
“Everyone on defense gets a share of the “we can’t stuff the run” pie.”
That’s something we can agree on and I know you meant Coaching staff as well.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Remember that time we paid a ton of money for Gibril Wilson?
April 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
How can I forget. He was suppose to fix our problems with stopping the run.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
that would be beastly. i’m pretty sure Animal Jr. is going to be a FA after this season..
i still want to see EJ Henderson in the mix. he can’t cost BigMac that much, can he?
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I’m thinking Vilma. New Orleans is going to let him go, he is going to serve a major suspension for “bounty-gate” and we could bring him here for cheap. And there is NO WAY anyone would be able to run up the gut on the Raiders with an NFL defensive rookie of the year, 3 time pro bowl, ex world champ true MLB.
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that would sure be something! you know for sure that Vilma is about to be let go? is he owed his bonus in a few days or something? haven’t read about it obviously.
April 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Good intelligent conversation today
Just throwing this out, as I have rarely watched Jay Ratliff play and can’t envision his style, but off the descriptions given here, could Lamarr Houston play a similar role in the middle of Raiders D-Line?
With fresh minded coaches on defense, a lot of talented players on DL but not much cohesion or production in last few years, I wonder if they will reshuffle the deck more than we may imagine.
While post #525 and others explain why run stuffing NTs not getting big $, every team still needs some kind of run stuffer in the middle of the DL for running downs, whether it be a space eater who sucks up multiple blockers or a player who is on the move more. The modern pass happy NFL just makes it cheaper for the new Reggime to get one, and they don’t play as many downs.
As far as a NT being an every down player in college, that doesn’t mean he would project as such in the NFL, unless he is effective in pass rush. In passing situations, all NFL teams go with interior DL who can pressure the QB, whether by collapsing the pocket, knocking down passes, or sacking the QB.
While we have some very talented DL, the DTs have been penetrators, don’t occupy many blockers, which doesn’t help keep the LBs clean. Top rate LBs need to be able to handle blockers, though not all of them do it the same way.
Our young LBs obviously have some problems but I hope they will improve with coaching
The Raiders haven’t drafted and developed a first rate LB since Eric Barton in the late 1990s. I expect that to change under the new Reggime (or is that now
The Reggime?)
April 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
although on the other hand, Henderson will be there for 16 games barring injury. he’s just as good as a run stuffer IMO.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
SWEET SURPRISE, BRAHS
I get back to the penthouse after a big Laker Win, and my super smooth reggae side project Rasta Ganja is playing a house party in my living room!
Don’t worry, the PARTYDUDE 8000 is working overtime
When I asked them where the vocals were coming from, my bass player told me they were just lip synching to Bob Marley’s “Legend”.
Luckily all the guests are so wasted they think we wrote these jams
Rasta Ganja does it again, dweebos!
GIVE US A HAND FOR DEM SMOOTH ISLAND JAMS
April 1st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Not many NTs can rush the passer. I can only think of Wilfork and Ngata (plays DE and DT more). That’s why they are elite NT/ DTs.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
alzadoX Says:
Good intelligent conversation today
Just throwing this out, as I have rarely watched Jay Ratliff play and can’t envision his style, but off the descriptions given here, could Lamarr Houston play a similar role in the middle of Raiders D-Line?.
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Alzado, good question/idea.
I watched Ratliff play a few times, he’s really good, I think Desmond Bryant is the one guy who may be able to turn into that type of player.
At 6′4 287 Ratliff, like Bryant (6′6 290) is big but lean and strong and looks nothing like a NT.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:15 pm
that would sure be something! you know for sure that Vilma is about to be let go?
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A well placed hunch. I would be really surprised if they didn’t release him. They might keep him til after the draft just to screw with teams draft boards.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Man, it took me almost an hour to drop a duece. But while I sat and pondered, grunted and snorted, I thought of something.
McNabb, Owens and Rice to the Raidahs? Oh please oh please oh plese no, NO.
All ReggisMatics great work he’s been doing so far would be flushed down the pike like my monster duece.
I feel another constitution comin on, oh boy.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Jets acquire JaMarcuss Russell and re-acquire Farve and offer up Sanchez and Tebow for trade. Do it Reggie.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
This off season suspense and wait is making me thirsty. Can’t wait to see the new and improved Raidahs take it on.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
How do ya’ll. Code Black. Yeah.
April 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Man, why are all my comments awaiting moderation? I’m just an all Raider guy and the moderator don’t see it that way. What is up with that?
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Marley Bob Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
alzadoX Says:
Good intelligent conversation today
Just throwing this out, as I have rarely watched Jay Ratliff play and can’t envision his style, but off the descriptions given here, could Lamarr Houston play a similar role in the middle of Raiders D-Line?.
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Alzado, good question/idea.
I watched Ratliff play a few times, he’s really good, I think Desmond Bryant is the one guy who may be able to turn into that type of player.
At 6′4 287 Ratliff, like Bryant (6′6 290) is big but lean and strong and looks nothing like a NT.
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that’s interesting, because in his article on the State of the Raiders a few days ago, Cork said Bryant could play NT
Bryant is certainly lean and strong, but he still occasionally (getting much better though) plays too upright. Does Ratliff do the same? Bryant is certainly an improving player with a lot of potential, but I have thought of him more as a LDE (SSDE), 3-4 DE, or 3-T DT but maybe you and Cork are on to something.
The guy they had in Denver last year, Broderick Bunkley was built more like Houston and played on the move some, not a line sitting block magnet like a lot of the older style NT. Broncos played 4-3 hybrid under Allen, with Bunkley lined up on center’s nose. I wonder if Houston could do a Bunkley? Bunkley paid like $5 M per year as FA by NO Saints
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:00 am
All Raider All Raider Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Man, why are all my comments awaiting moderation? I’m just an all Raider guy and the moderator don’t see it that way. What is up with that?
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I’m not sure what criteria is for moderation, but once I posted a comment with several web links and it came up “waiting for moderator’s approval”
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 am
Xraided Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
although on the other hand, Henderson will be there for 16 games barring injury. he’s just as good as a run stuffer IMO.
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John Henderson got cut after failing physical, if that’s who you’re referring to. Unlikely Big John can bar injury at his age
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 am
AlzadoX Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
454.Sullivan44 Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I voted Raiders just because so many of you are acting like this is life or death. But I think the ‘00 Ravens are better than the ‘76 Raiders.
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It’s just a fun little thing for the fans and the Raider fans showed alot of support, which is cool.
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1976 Oakland Raiders DL Otis Sistrunk would have eaten Ravens QB Trent Dilfer as an afternoon snack, then let out steam from his head
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:50 am
# 647 I agree wholeheartedly !
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:31 am
Reggie’s doin’ it the right way — bringing in players that he’s scouted, who have talent, who are flying a little under the radar. Playbooks coming very soon; let’s hit the field runnin’! Hue Jack may have talked about “building a bully”; however, Reggie is building a Return to Excellence! I believe in our future …
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 am
Hot dam! I got that money ball fever! Reggie gonna give it to us good with his giant money ballz.
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
Good Morning Nation!
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 am
I told everyone we would draft McClain, 6 months before the draft. Ask Rockstar.
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@JFB
this is correct. I remember it well
hopefully everybody forgot I wanted NT Dan Williams (Tennessee)
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 am
Aloha kakahiaka!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:01 am
I like the signing of Phil Wheeler..
now we head into the draft looking for depth & competition ONLY, but think we may find a few starters as Reggie suggests
good morning AM crew!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 am
good morning rockstar
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 am
Well, gents.. it’s finally here!!
the RRS voting list for who we should draft at #95
Cast your vote today. you may change it at any point up thru April 25th (day before the draft)
this should be fun, since the pick can’t be traded
let’s begin
RaiderRockstar: Humuhumunukunukuapua’a
just kidding – I’ll take Chapman
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:08 am
I like the signing of Wheeler too. I really like the respect and love he’s thrown out to Raider Nation. I’m glad to have him, and he’s a position of need.
Reggie Mac’s been awesome in closing the deals. When he’s had the fish on the hook, he’s reeled em in every time. Wheeler is the Raiders 4th visit that has led to 4 signings. Oh, there have been others who were talked about, but never visited. But the ones that visit Oakland come away impressed with Reggie Mac’s vision even though he’s open and forthright about not having much money to offer.
I also like the series of one-year deals that Reggie’s been getting lately. They put is in a position of flexibility going forward, and allow Reggie to reshape the franchise without blowing it up.
In Reggie Mac I trust.
Just Win Baby!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 am
I’ll take Chapman too, if he’s there. But I highly doubt he’ll be there. If no Chapman, I’ll take Ark St. LB Demarco Davis, if he falls to us.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:20 am
@G123
which one should I put on the list?
both have a shot at being there imo
maybe not a good shot, but still a shot. draft is unpredictable
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:21 am
Good morning Nation! Isn’t today the first day of minicamps, or team meetings at least?
Hey RR, “The book on Chapman is, he shines against the run and isn’t much of a pass-rusher.”~ Put me down for Chapman as well.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:23 am
@RRS,
Put me down for Demarco Davis, but I have no quarrel whatsoever with Chapman.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 am
let’s begin
RaiderRockstar: Humuhumunukunukuapua’a
just kidding – I’ll take Chapman
Hey, if there is a kid with that name, I’ll take him…
But there is a team (I can’t remember who) that drafted Ho’omanawanui!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
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Having a hard time deciding between Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, NT, Baylor and Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky.
I’m not sure Chapman will be there because I think the Steelers snatch him up in the 2nd round. Hampton is finished.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:25 am
Good Morning A.M. Crew!!
Pumped up …Hopefully Steve and Jerry are on the ball today!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:34 am
We need some guys who can put some heat on the QB. That should be our #1 priority in this draft. I know some of you will disagree with me. That the #1 priority is a big run stopping NT that will allow us to transition better into the hybrid 3-4.
But take a good look at the QB’s in our division, Mannning and Rivers. If we don’t get heat on them, they will slice us up. The strong run defense won’t matter a bit.
History has shown this to be true. This is now a passing league, all the rules are tailored to the finesse, downfield passing. It’s what the fans want, and I don’t like the new rules. But the only way to stop it is to put pressure on the QB.
The QB must go down and must go down hard.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:36 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
cast your vote today!!
randy, tbone, ray, hwnrdr, pa, mike …
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 am
Guest123,
You make an excellent point, but DA is so well known for a “Damn the torpedoes” defense, I think he’s going to be relying on an overwhelming group attack rather than a couple primary pass rushers.
Shaughnessy, Seymour, Kelly and Bryant all have demonstrated ability to terrorize QBs. Houston has shown flashes of a pass rush playing inside rather than at LDE and I hope they use him there more this year. I expect to see RoMac and Curry turned loose FAR more this year. Might as well see what they can do, neither guy has ever really had his leash slipped before.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 am
Some of you are really overrating Reggie, geez. What has he done that is so special? Nothing. Did Al ever have this many issues with the cap? No. Reggie has brought 2nd tier players because of no money. If they had money you would seen more name player sigings like tampa so get that crap talk outta here. Whats the difference so far between Al and Reggie in this change it up mode? Not much. Al would have brought in atleast one name FA with a bunch of 2nd tier players but then again Al never had that many cap issues and would have tried to keep that one game away from the playoff team together which is not a bad thing.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 am
We need some guys who can put some heat on the QB. That should be our #1 priority in this draft.
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@G123
my motto is this:
STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME
i’ll take the fat slob. the space eater. the blob that will not be moved. the guy with a doughnut in each hand (no offense Jhill).
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 am
DA is so well known for a “Damn the torpedoes” defense, I think he’s going to be relying on an overwhelming group attack rather than a couple primary pass rushers.
Shaughnessy, Seymour, Kelly and Bryant all have demonstrated ability to terrorize QBs. Houston has shown flashes of a pass rush playing inside rather than at LDE and I hope they use him there more this year. I expect to see RoMac and Curry turned loose FAR more this year. Might as well see what they can do, neither guy has ever really had his leash slipped before.
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@PA
don’t forget Wheeler, Huff & Branch.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 am
RR, just a suggestion but a lot of people are probably gonna pick a guy that will most likely be off the board. How about an alternative selection?
I’ll take Travis Lewis of the Sooners. I don’t watch much college football anymore but after looking at the top LB’s, his name came back to me. He’s a playmaker and could succeed Wheeler or maybe even start this year after leading the Sooners in tackles for his 4 season there.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 am
ANYBODY WATCH BOISE ST.WHAT ABOUT THIS TYRONE CRAWFORD KID AT DE?
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:47 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 am
Shaughnessy, Seymour, Kelly and Bryant all have demonstrated ability to terrorize QBs. Houston has shown flashes of a pass rush playing inside rather than at LDE and I hope they use him there more this year. I expect to see RoMac and Curry turned loose FAR more this year. Might as well see what they can do, neither guy has ever really had his leash slipped before.
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SNB,
That front 4 is effective in getting in the lanes and rushing the QB in the 4-3 set. But RoMac and Curry will need at least one more impact LB to transition into playmakers. I like Wheeler’s instant upgrade in coverage skills to Kam. But we are missing that LB component within the 4-3 defense.
If we can get a strong ILB to add to the unit, I think the coaches will be able to turn Curry and RoMac loose more. We badly need LB’s. Badly.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 am
just a suggestion but a lot of people are probably gonna pick a guy that will most likely be off the board. How about an alternative selection?
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@CW
every year there are players who slip. draft stock drops for whatever reason. Anybody who picks a consensus 1st or 2nd rounder at #95 is just showing their ignorance
I haven’t seen many mocks with a Round 3. If there was one and they they had Chapman going at say … #80 overall i wouldn’t be upset or even surprised to see him there at #95
as JFB stated last week, fat pig NT’s are getting less & less popular in the league. Most teams want a player that can do both – stuff the run & rush the passer. Most NT’s drafted in the first two rounds over the past 20 years either end up being busts or get seriously injured
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
@CW
shall I change your pick to Travis Lewis anyways?
or you wanna stick with chapman?
@Dirt Lot
should I put you down for Tyrone Crawford???
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
my motto is this:
STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME
i’ll take the fat slob. the space eater.
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@RRS,
Did Indy have a powerful run game that anyone feared? Did they even give Addai 20 carries in any given game consistently? No, the Colts under Peyton Manning were pass heavy and the defenses knew it playing nickel all game long. And still with minimal run support, Manning would gash through the field at will. San Diego is all about running to set up the pass too.
My motto is this:
Put the Fu&king QB on his back until he’s out on his feet or leaves on a stretcher.
Win the game!
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 am
Fck, I wish we had a 1st round pick. I have a total football man-crush on Michael Brockers out of LSU, I admit. Dude is a monster.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 am
LMAO, one draft site I just looked at has Trevathan graded in the 6th round and Jean-Baptiste in the 7th. NJB might never pan out I admit, but I’d draft Trevathan in the 3rd round and not think twice about it. All he does is make plays. And impact plays at that, not many “clean up” tackles there.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 am
Well said RR, well said.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
…fat pig NT’s are getting less & less popular in the league. Most teams want a player that can do both – stuff the run & rush the passer. Most NT’s drafted in the first two rounds over the past 20 years either end up being busts or get seriously injured
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I agree that the space eating pigs are not as valuable as this blog makes them to be. They are situational guys that get maybe 20-25 snaps a game of the 65 defensive snaps. They are valuable guys, but we have other glaring needs within our corp defense. For instance, I’d argue that a nickel corner is more valuable b/c he’s playing a lot more snaps.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 am
RR, don’t know yet, can’t seem to make up my mind!
For sure I know I’m drafting a NT/OLB/ILB for my 1st pick…but who?
I really like that Samoan kid from Washington (doubt he’ll be there). Same goes with that Alabama kid (Chapman) gonner before we get a chance!
I’ll have one within the next 24hrs.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
I’ll stick with Chapman. He’s the type of player I hope we go after to be able to play a versatile defense. Who knows, maybe TRavis Ivey is that guy?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 am
I like that ILB from USC who is predicted to be a 5-6th RD pick.
Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce to you….
Chris Galippo!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 am
@G123
I know that this is a pass happy league now. I’m also aware of the fact that Bartell & Spencer are probably going to get eaten alive unless we have a legit pass rush.
As stated above (by PA?) we have the horses to get after the QB. That was rarely a problem under Al Davis. neither was having speedy corners. stuffing the run & winning football games was a problem, however.
I’m ready for a change.
bring on physical smashmouth football under Reggie, Dennis & Jason!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 am
thanks, JFB
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 am
I vote for Josh Harris.Time to replace Condo !! lol lol lol lol
Auburn’s long-snapper the past three seasons, is the top-rated snapper in the 2012 NFL Draft
Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2012/01/29/1912144/auburn-football-tigers-long-snapper.html#storylink=cpy
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 am
Even if we do draft a Chapman or other space eating NT, they are still a rookie and it’s gonna be tough transitioning to a 3-4. Unless there’s some trade of personnel (like B. Campbell), I don’t see us getting that beast this year. The more likely solution to sustaining the rush post-Wimbley and solidifying the run defense is to draft another ILB. It would have a greater impact than a raw, rookie NT that could take time to ramp up his game or have nagging injuries b/c they carry so much weight.
I’ll take my upgrade at LB thank you in advance.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 am
The draft probably goes a little something like this:
3rd-DT
4th-LB
5th-LB
5th-OT/OG/TE
6th-LB
And a ton of UDFA’s all over the field.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
seriously, Mike?
I know you’re a joker..
don’t tempt me bro. I’ll put you down for him
I was thinking Josh Harris (Auburn) would be BSJ’s choice?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 am
The more likely solution to sustaining the rush post-Wimbley and solidifying the run defense is to draft another ILB.
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@G123
would be nice if Ivey & Goethel could fill both roles, but I don’t see it happening. neither may even cling to the final 53
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 am
lol lol lol.. give me a minute….
ok i will go with Chapman too.
(damn peer presure !!)
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
As far as the 95th pick and every pick really, McKenzie already said he’s gonna take the best player available regardless of position, so our picks may surprise a lot of people.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 am
Is Goethel going give up his number to Wheeler?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
I’d not be surprised if we drafted a TE/HB
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
Best avaiable player!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 am
I got my playbook!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 am
We keep hearing about how a nickle corner is a starter.
I don’t even know if we have two good starting corners, better yet a nickle.
I like this Heyward kid from Vandy. Played in the SEC, great technique, smart, and always found ways to make plays.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 am
Jhill I see your boy Bynum was injured last night. Just in time for the playoffs as usual.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 am
Not a big fan of BPA. If the the BPA is a QB for instance, we don’t need to waste #95 on another project QB to fight with TP, do we?
We have clearly defined needs and we need to match BPA loosely with our needs and it must fit within a 5-pick strategy.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 am
McKenzie already said he’s gonna take the best player available regardless of position, so our picks may surprise a lot of people.
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@Marley
how does that influence your pick at #95?
who is the player you’d like to have?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
I am more of a value guy than a BPA guy.
A lot tougher to peg that in the 3rd round than the 1st round however.
I do HATE just pigeon-holing yourself into a certain position though.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
Ask Portland how ignoring the bpa has worked for them….Jordan and durant lmfao!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 am
Goodson didn’t get the chances he thought he deserved in Carolina
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 2, 2012, 9:34 AM EDT
AP
After he was traded from the Panthers to the Raiders last week, running back Mike Goodson said he’s hoping to get something in Oakland this year that he doesn’t feel like he got in Carolina last year: A fair chance to contribute to the offense.
Goodson told Steve Reed of the Associated Press that after being a regular contributor to the Panthers’ offense in 2010, with 762 yards from scrimmage, he was disappointed when new head coach Ron Rivera and his staff came in last year and barely gave him any opportunities at all. Goodson never carried the ball in 2011 and caught one pass for four yards.
“I thought going in, with the way I performed I’d definitely get an opportunity to play,” Goodson said. “Some things happened. I didn’t get the opportunity I thought I should have. Then I got injured, and it really didn’t go the way I wanted last year.”
The reality, however, is that Rivera did give Goodson an opportunity: In the first game of the preseason, when Goodson got the ball 10 times. The problem was that Goodson fumbled on two of those 10 touches, and after that Rivera never had faith in him again. Goodson also fumbled six times in the 2010 regular season, so those preseason fumbles weren’t an aberration. Rivera didn’t think he could trust Goodson to hold onto the ball, and that’s why Rivera didn’t want Goodson to carry the ball.
The good news for the Raiders is that sometimes players with fumbling problems learn to correct those problems, and Goodson has already shown he can make plays with the ball in his hands. The Raiders will give him the opportunity to show he can keep the ball in his hands through the end of the play.
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Hang on to the rock!!!!!!!!!!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 am
702.Dakota Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 am
Jhill I see your boy Bynum was injured last night. Just in time for the playoffs as usual.
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Well he had to give you something to cry about.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 am
We have clearly defined needs and we need to match BPA loosely with our needs and it must fit within a 5-pick strategy.
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@G123
Looking at our roster, I think we could use a C, G, T, DT, ILB, OLB & DB
we have 5 picks. Reggie will take the best player available at #95 (at one of these positions)
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 am
We have no O-Line depth besides Barksdale
We have no D-Line depth besides Bryant
me thinks at least 3 of 5 picks will be spent on the lines
QB, RB, FB, WR & TE will be ignored. DB & ST could easily be ignored as well
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 am
Goodson better not come into camp thinking he deserves anything. He’s got a history of fumbling, and he has only himself to blame. “Some things happened”, he says…
Sounds like a cop-out excuse. If he was mature, he’d own up to his failures and promise to correct them under coach Allen. This may be Goodson’s last chance to prove he’s an NFL quality back. I’m non-committal either way.
I still think TJ can force him off the squad. But if he can prove himself and be a scrappy special teamer like Rock C was, then he’s got promise.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 am
W’s scored 112 last night?
LOL!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 am
@RRS #709
agreed
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
where is Hwnrdr?
a few weeks ago I predicted the Mavs or Clippers could possibly catch the “Lake Show” and snag the #3 seed- he laughed at me.
Dallas has won 7 of their last 10. Clips won 5 straight
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
Wow…Vegas, you went with a corner?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Wow…Vegas, you went with a corner?
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Yep…….long live Al!!!!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 am
Vegas, you went with a corner?
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in memory of Al Davis
who is the fastest corner at least 6 ft tall projected to last into RD3?
Mark Davis will get’em
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
I am more of a value guy than a BPA guy.
A lot tougher to peg that in the 3rd round than the 1st round however.
I do HATE just pigeon-holing yourself into a certain position though.
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DT-OLB-ILB
I aint pigeon-holing….but a CB?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 am
LOL, I was right regarding JFB?
suhweet!
which semi pro still has it? this guy!!
re-sign Johnnie Lee
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 am
Vegas, how about that kid from SD-Aztecs…Miles Burris OLB?
Not in the 3rd but in the 7th-FA…
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Defensive Backs
21 Ron Bartell CB
33 Tyvon Branch SS
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS
24 Michael Huff FS
43 Terrail Lambert CB
26 Pat Lee CB
32 Bryan McCann CB
34 Mike Mitchell SS
36 Shawntae Spencer CB
39 Curtis Taylor FS
28 Brandon Underwood FS
23 DeMarcus Van Dyke CB
how many DB’s are we gonna have on the roster?
these dudes are all under contract. plus I’m sure we’ll add 2 or 3 undrafted kids for competition in the secondary
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
I don’t know anything about Mr. Burris.
Got to admit, my college football scouting took a back seat this year.
That’s why I got a crack staff on here filling in the holes for me!!!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 am
While we are honoring Al, maybe take a look at that Benjamin kid from the U.
If we trade Jacoby, we can draft some D with that, and replace him with Benjamin late in the draft.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Re-sign Gio
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 am
Goodson is crap and fumbles to much. They better get another rb in the draft. Goodson may not even make it out of preseason the way he plays.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 am
What are our Draft picks this year?
How many total?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
The guy I’m watching to fall late is Vontaze Burfict. He had an awful combine and pro day. But the game tape on him is impressive. If he falls to the 5th, I’d consider him there as a low risk/high reward player. But not your typical Al Davis reach. Measurables were terrible.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
That’s why I got a crack staff on here filling in the holes for me!!!!
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@JFB
Armond makes John Herrera look like Robert Kraft
Jhill just wants to fight with you
Bcz, YA & Duck make their own schedules
if G123 isn’t on your staff … maybe he should be?
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 am
RaidO Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 am
Goodson is crap and fumbles to much. They better get another rb in the draft. Goodson may not even make it out of preseason the way he plays.
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I agree for the most part. Willing to give him a shot, but his attitude has to change. He can’t keep saying things that deflect from his fumbling problem. Dennis Allen and Reggie Mac are all about accountability. I’m sure that excuses like the crap he was talking about Panther management won’t fly in the new Oakland regime.
I give him a 20% chance of even making the team. And only that high b/c he’s got some special teams value. maybe.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 am
Armond makes John Herrera look like Robert Kraft
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LOL!!!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 am
@G123
i’m with you. I’ll take Vontaze Burfict in the 6th (if he’s there)
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 am
Bcz is a consultant, he is there when we need him.
Duck is currently not holding a position, as is G123.
JHill was hired more to fight with you, but somehow it seems to be getting into my office.
Shat isn’t supposed to float up-stream!!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 am
JHill was hired more to fight with you
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@JFB
Jhill knows how I feel about McClain, Campbell & the Lakers
other than that, ain’t much to argue about. We actually agree that DB’s will be shunned this draft. I think he’d be ok if we didn’t draft an offensive “skill position” guy, too
However, we are merely cap guys. you pick the player, we’ll make it work
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
714.RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
where is Hwnrdr?
a few weeks ago I predicted the Mavs or Clippers could possibly catch the “Lake Show” and snag the #3 seed- he laughed at me.
Dallas has won 7 of their last 10. Clips won 5 straight
LOL, I didn’t laugh at you, but now the way the team is finding a way to almost lose games, and I heard Bynum is injured again…you could be right. However, you know as well as everyone else that you cannot count them out…
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 am
If I had to guess …
Bartell, Spencer, DVD & Chekwa will be our Top 4 CB’s
Huff, Branch & Mitchell will be our Top 3 S’s
McCann, Lee, Lambert, Taylor & Underwood competing for the last two DB spots.
plus a few undrafted kids!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 am
However, we are merely cap guys. you pick the player, we’ll make it work
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Don’t sell yourself too short.
My cap guys have input on the value of the player compared to salary.
But draft-wise, you got a voice, but you are more of the Pips as I am Gladys Knight.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
But draft-wise, you got a voice, but you are more of the Pips as I am Gladys Knight.
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LOL LOL LOL… my grandson calls me pip!!
guess i know where i stand !! lol lol lol
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Raider O
Dirt Lot
Hwnrdr
ray
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
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LOL LOL LOL… my grandson calls me pip!!
guess i know where i stand !! lol lol lol
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I knew you were old, but damn. You are REALLY old. Grandkids?!
You are the man Mike. I hope I can still smoke weed and chase Bush when I’m as old as you!
LOL
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 am
I hope I can still smoke weed and chase Bush when I’m as old as you!
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Raider O = family man?
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
RR,
OLB Mychal Kendricks, OLB Sean Spence, or NT J Chapman.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Raider O
Dirt Lot
Hwnrdr
ray – Alameda (County) Ta’amu
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 am
Hate to break It to u guys but our 3rd round comp pick looks like it will be either a best available OT or best available pass rusher DE/LB
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
RR,
I’m a family man who likes weed and bush.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 am
OLB Mychal Kendricks, OLB Sean Spence, or NT J Chapman
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@ O
pick one please
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 am
Hate to break It to u guys but our 3rd round comp pick looks like it will be either a best available OT or best available pass rusher DE/LB
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@M20
pick a player you’d like to have best at #95
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 am
You guys are saying josh chapman at 95? Dude just had ACL surgery in Jan. He did play with that tore ACL but thats a gamble. Tuff pick at 95.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 am
I’d be fine with Chapman even with his ACL. He looks like a beast who can be our NT going forward. But I think he won’t be there anyway, so it’ll be a moot point. Someone is going to gamble on him in the early third round.
Whoever we get in the third, I hope it’s someone that is on Reggie Mac’s mock draft board that fell for whatever reason and happened to be on his early second round value slot. That would be ideal.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:49 am
Raider O Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
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LOL LOL LOL… my grandson calls me pip!!
guess i know where i stand !! lol lol lol
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I knew you were old, but damn. You are REALLY old. Grandkids?!
You are the man Mike. I hope I can still smoke weed and chase Bush when I’m as old as you!
LOL
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Weed, bush and beer will keep you young !!
well at least feeling young !!
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:51 am
Maybe Goodson can recapture the magic he had at the college level. Does have a nice second gear, just hope he can hold the rock. Not trying to defend the guy, but because he knew he was only going to touch the ball 5-7 times a game, maybe he was trying to go for the home run hitter each time he touched the ball, rather than securing it and taking what he can get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZeiAIJKMY
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:51 am
739.RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Raider O
Dirt Lot
Hwnrdr
ray
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
I really can’t say. I do like that Chapman kid, or Alameda Ta’amu. I very RARELY watch college ball now. But I’m gonna go against the grain here…
Alameda Ta’amu! Just because of his name…he needs to be in Alameda!
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Raider O
Dirt Lot
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
CJL
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
RR,
OLB Mychal Kendricks
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Thought Jerry/Steve might have a few words from Dirty Den – but nothing.Maybe later?
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Aaron Curry @AaronCurry51
Can’t wait to see my boys @QuentinGroves @MikeMitchell34 @tyvonbranch @Huffy247 Uhm @JacobyFord12 not so much! Jk lol
Groves back with the RAIDERS?
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 am
Ta’amu?! No way this guy is available in the 3rd.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 am
Sweet.. just got back to work from a week off , and i am outta here with a 1/2 day today !!!
see there O. weed beer and bush= living right !!
good things come to those who live right !! lol lol lol
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
If we go to a 3-4 give me Chapman.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Dirt Lot
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
Neil
HGDaddy
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
Mike,
I can’t do alcohol. I had to choose between alcohol and weed, and I chose weed. I don’t regret my decision. Bonging!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
Groves back with the RAIDERS?
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I’ll take him @ vet minimum!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Silver Haze and GDP aka Grand Daddy Purple! Great Morning!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
Groves is a good athlete, but we don’t need him IMHO. He can’t cover and he can’t rush the passer, and he is not an asset against the run.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
Rockstar…
I don’t get to see any college games so I honestly haven’t got a clue who’ll be available at #95.
I think Reggie and Dirty Den will be looking at depth on the Dline and linebacker spots plus either WR or RB.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsKf1RNZVoo
Just for O and Mike!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Mike,
I can’t do alcohol. I had to choose between alcohol and weed, and I chose weed. I don’t regret my decision. Bonging!
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i hear ya brother.. wise choice !!
but damn a good cold beer is great foe cotton mouth !!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
I don’t get to see any college games so I honestly haven’t got a clue who’ll be available at #95.
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No one does. It’s all speculation and fun.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
With the 95th pick Reggie will be looking for a starter.
I’m going with Kendricks, olb, Cal.
I’m hoping we also draft Beachum, SMU, OT & Doss, SDSt, WR in the 4th/5th rounds.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Dirt Lot
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
Neil
HGDaddy
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Morning Rockstar. I have been chasing a 3 year old around and she has a lot more energy than I!
I will do a little homework and submit my pick.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
I AM OUTTA HERE..
good day nation and i will see you all in the a.m. !!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Ryan Leaf back in jail today, 2nd visit in 4 days. Stealing drugs hours after making bail. What a trainwreck this guy is.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Morning/ afternoon peoples!
Nice pick-ups by Reggie. IMO, dude is doing a hella-of job in the front office.
We now have our new run stuffing SLB, who is versitle enough to play the weak side.
Goodson was also a nice addition. He’ll be our new gunner opposite of Jones and will fill in nicely for Rock. Those two dudes can flat out fly.
Def. an imporvmnet so far from last years squad.
+ We finally get to see what a new era defensive scheme looks like in a silver and black uni.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
Mike,
I miss beer, Wine, and Remi.
Remi!!!!!!!
I don’t go to some places cause I don’t drink anymore. There are some types of food that I don’t enjoy as much anymore. I use to love going to Hooters. A pitcher of Sierra Nevada/ Heineken & and 25-30 911 wings (all drums).
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
#770#, exactly
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
HGDaddy Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Aaron Curry @AaronCurry51
Can’t wait to see my boys @QuentinGroves @MikeMitchell34 @tyvonbranch @Huffy247 Uhm @JacobyFord12 not so much! Jk lol
Groves back with the RAIDERS?
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My boy Q, back in town?????????
Hell yeah
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
Raider O Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
RR,
I’m a family man who likes weed and bush.
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RRS,
O = Family Man with Swagger?????
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Neilb,
LMAO. Thx bro.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
LOL @ LA!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
TYRONE CRAWFORD D-LINE,BOISE ST.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
LA,
LOL
I try.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
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I’ll take Alameda CA
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
774.guest123 Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Ryan Leaf back in jail today, 2nd visit in 4 days. Stealing drugs hours after making bail. What a trainwreck this guy is.
Geez…right after he makes bail???
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
RaidO
HB
PA
Dakota
Marley
HGDaddy
LA
DMAC
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
Free agent DE Dave Tollefson has no other visits lined up after visiting the Packers over the weekend.
Tollefson, of course, left Green Bay without a deal but “(remains) in the mix.” The pass-rushing specialist previously visited the Seahawks, and has drawn interest from the Raiders. It would appear he needs to lower his asking price.
Related: Packers
Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Groves really good special teams player and would make one or two plays on defense; sign him for vet minimum, with a small guaranteed contract, conditional to making 53-man roster.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
RRS 785^^^^^^^^^^^^
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Groves really good special teams player and would make one or two plays on defense; sign him for vet minimum, with a small guaranteed contract, conditional to making 53-man roster.
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Bring back Q. as a back-up.
Dude is solid special teamer and a good teammate.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
LA to TheBay: Fastest 40 time.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
793.LA to TheBay Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
LA to TheBay: Fastest 40 time.
LOL
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
We should be able to get One of these 2 LBs: M Kendricks or Sean Spence. If M Kendricks is available at 95, he should be the pick IMO. I can see Sean Spence dropping to the 4th due to his size and combine performance.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Just been reading ’bout Leaf.
Think in 10 yrs we’ll have the same headlines but with JaMarcus instead of Ryan?
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
I think in 10 yrs Leaf… will be dead by then.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
……And on that thought.
Have a great Monday everyone.Later Raiders!
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
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RRS,
Put me down for Derek Wolfe, DT/DE, Cincinnati
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
796.neilb Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Just been reading ’bout Leaf.
Think in 10 yrs we’ll have the same headlines but with JaMarcus instead of Ryan?
I think stealing Robitussin is less of a crime…LOL
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
This is supposed to be kind of a big day right?
First day of OTA’s?
I know Palmer is excited to finally get the playbook etc.
Is there a reason why there is not some kind of new post about today?
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
3- OLB M Kendricks
4- NT N Jean-Baptiste
5- CB Croyell Judie
5- DE/ OLB Cordarro Law (sleeper)
6- FS J Jackson
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
Today isn’t OTA’s. It’s just the first day of organized team activities. The coaches can finally talk to the players legally today. The teams that have new coaching staffs, that is. Not a whole of work is done, other than they don’t have to hold their tongue anymore.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
RaidO
HB
Neil
Dakota
Marley
HGDaddy
DJ Johnny
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Later Neilb.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
#804,
Got it. Thanks.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
I think Reggie will land a pass rushing specialist w/ his 1st pick, but wouldn’t be mad at all, if he drafted Alameda or Chapman.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
805.RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
RaidO
HB
Neil
Dakota
Marley
HGDaddy
DJ Johnny
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For # 95 I would looooove Janzen Jackson out of Tenn. but he’ll probably be long gone by then, but realistically I guess I have to go with Mychal Kendrick out of Cal.
Thx.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
OTA = Organized Team Activities
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Ta’amu registered only 15 tackles in 2011. Should this be a concern?
I saw him get doubled constantly.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
I remember when we drafted RoMac. A lot of straw votes back then went to him. RaiderNation all wanted that guy. Consensus All-American LB from National Champion Alabama, and MVP of the defense. Who objected to that pick. I admit, I was a believer too. It was either him or Iupati at #8. But I wanted RoMac too. Like everyone else.
I’ll admit it. Who was that stud LB from Alabama anyway? Was it smoke and mirrors?
This entire exercise is a crap shoot anyway. I trust and hope that Reggie Mck has a better guage of draft value than the whole of us in this blog.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
No way J Jackson gets drafted before the 5th. Dude has so many issues, He makes TP look like a Saint.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
RRS, the cb’s on radiers roster are weak and all have one year deals . At pick 95 i say CB Josh Robinson USF. If he falls into third.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
HB
Neil
Dakota
Marley
HGDaddy
Mr Brown
GG
Kell
ROG
Thec
Hardline
Marks Hair
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
@95 the raiders select ladarious green, te, la-Lafayette.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am
Kendricks can play in 4-3 or 3-4, and he can play inside or out.
He is 5′11 240 and runs a sub 4.5!
DMAC you want Ta’amu over a Cal Bear?
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 am
Raider O Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am
Kendricks can play in 4-3 or 3-4, and he can play inside or out.
He is 5′11 240 and runs a sub 4.5!
DMAC you want Ta’amu over a Cal Bear?
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I know, it’s tough man, but I want a true NT for once. Tired of getting gashed on the run. I wouldn’t be mad at all, if we drafted Kendricks.
I just don’t want a CB w/ our 1st pick.
Give me a NT/DE/ or LB w/ our 1st pick.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
@ Raider O
MK also had the fastest 40 time of any LB at the combine …
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
HB
Neil
Marley
HGDaddy
Mr Brown
GG
Kell
ROG
Thec
Hardline
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 am
Maybe Sammy Brown (Houston U) is the answer for the 3-4. Raiders are looking at him. Led the nation in tackles for loss (28) last year. Also had 12.5 sacks.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 am
I don’t want to get 2 excited over our team, but I can’t hide it.
We’ll be much improved this season, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am
Best player on the board.
The end
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RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
RR,
He had 24 reps on the Bench, 40″ vertical, and 10-7 broad jump.
Al will be happy.
RIP Al!
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Best player on the board.
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@ Mr Brown
not gonna give us a name?
nobody in particular you’d like to have??
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
I dont get into college football enough to have a real opinion about a late 3rd rounder… Ill have to go with Brown and say BPA
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 am
Torry Holt signs a one day contract, to retire a Ram.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
HB
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Thec
Hardline
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
RR,
I think Thec wants Ta’amu. He posted it a few times.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
RR put me down for Josh Chapman
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Attn RR
Thec Says:
March 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
NEED a NT, draft Ta’amu
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
My pick for #95…Who ever YA picks.
I will say that we have at least 2 trades left in us before the season starts. Welcome to Oakland Ron Brace.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Rocky McIntosh visited the Dolphins
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am
RR: Put me down for Josh Chapman.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
What the hell, put me down for Chapman as well.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
I dont follow college players so I stay out of draft predictions & discussions. I did want A Peterson the year he came out, we took some bum I forget who it was.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Best player on the board.
***
@ Mr Brown
not gonna give us a name?
nobody in particular you’d like to have??
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Hardline
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Draft:
Sammy Brown OLB, 3-4, Scheduled a visit…
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/oakland-raiders/2012/4/2/2920074/2012-nfl-draft-oakland-raiders-scheduled-to-meet-with-houston
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Ta’amu, or Chapman….If either are on the board at 95…
Damn tough decision…
Although I like Ta’amu a lot Chapman offers the most versatility, would play more downs…..
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
Pick 95 = Best player on the Raiders Draft board…
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Thec
per Raider O, you voted 4 Alameda
feel free to change your pick at any time..
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
1 NATION
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Thec
per Raider O, you voted 4 Alameda
feel free to change your pick at any time..
+++++++++
For posterity sake, lets roll with Ta’amu.
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Pick 95 = Best player on the Raiders Draft board…
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that goes without saying
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
I will say that we have at least 2 trades left in us before the season starts. Welcome to Oakland Ron Brace.
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@HB
Mike Mitchell traded for Ron Brace??
you never know.
Reggie got Goodson in exchange for Campbell, LOL
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Question:
what team will benefit most from it’s former Raiders acquired this offseason ??
Patriots:
Robert Gallery
Trevor Scott
Bears:
Jason Campbell
Michael Bush
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Although I like Ta’amu a lot Chapman offers the most versatility, would play more downs…..
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True
I’d be cool w/ anyone
Whats good Thec?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
RR,
I would love to get LaMicheal James, but doubt he’ll fall to us.
I’m going with Nigel Bradham, Florida State.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Tyvon Branch will be restructured within a week or so for draft room to sign players & also lock in Branch whom Allen * McKenzie seem to really think is a an all-pro player in this league.
Branch a 4th rounder outta UCONN son.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Bears. Michael Bush is going to be a very nice compliment to Forte
I truthfully dont see Scott or Gallery getting much PT in NE unless injuries force them into the lineup
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Good Morning/ afternoon Raider Nation..
76 Oakland Raiders…. Best Ever…
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
What up Fingers
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
The draft is for players to compete at
RT
LG
2 LB’s
(versatile players who can play/learn any LB pos.)
DT
QB
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Seymour Bush Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Read up on Chapman. More than a 3-4 player. Not just a two-down guy. Plays a lot for ‘Bama, even in the 4-3 looks.
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Yeah but remember, even in the SEC he may be able to dominate country kids from Deer Park Alabama and Wiggins, Mississippi for 4 downs but they’re not Birk and Grubbs.
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This can be said of literally every single player at every single position in the draft – especially the ones who will be available at pick #95.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Question:
what team will benefit most from it’s former Raiders acquired this offseason ??
Patriots:
Robert Gallery
Trevor Scott
Bears:
Jason Campbell
Michael Bush
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I would say Rock.
He’ll have that Whiner special teams on point.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Would be nice to have TB restructured and allow us some flexibility to make some more moves before the draft.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 am
DRAFT NIGEL Bradham Bossman McKenzie!!! Could you please find it in your heart to make him Pick #131….Just look at the dude, his motor never stops….He’ll be better than Von Miller #promise you that!!!
http://youtu.be/t9RDfkvOMXU
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 am
ToneMcFresh Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 am
DRAFT NIGEL Bradham Bossman McKenzie!!! Could you please find it in your heart to make him Pick #131….Just look at the dude, his motor never stops….He’ll be better than Von Miller #promise you that!!!
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We need pass rushers!
I’d take him.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Question:
what team will benefit most from it’s former Raiders acquired this offseason ??
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Wimbley, he will have about 14 sacks with Titans.
Plays Colts twice, Jags twice …..
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
I like SnBPA’s pick Derek Wolfe as well.
That’s quality semi-pro research
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
DMAC… Not much going on here…just checkin in with the Nation… And taking care of puppy’s… My Shepherds had pups 5 weeksago and they’ve got me busy.. But it’s a good busy
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
raiderinparadise Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Question:
what team will benefit most from it’s former Raiders acquired this offseason ??
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Wimbley, he will have about 14 sacks with Titans.
Plays Colts twice, Jags twice …..
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I think Wimbley will have 6 sacks all season w/ 3 coming in the Colts game and 3 coming from the Jags game.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
DRAFT NIGEL Bradham Bossman McKenzie!!! Could you please find it in your heart to make him Pick #131
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@ Tone
so who do you want at #95 then ??
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
fingers Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
DMAC… Not much going on here…just checkin in with the Nation… And taking care of puppy’s… My Shepherds had pups 5 weeksago and they’ve got me busy.. But it’s a good busy
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How much are they going for?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am
813.Raider O Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
No way J Jackson gets drafted before the 5th. Dude has so many issues, He makes TP look like a Saint.
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Yes, but this guy is a serious player as far as skills are concerned.
He can hit like nobody’s business.
He has some “baggage’ but kids make mistakes sometimes and get it back together.
As far what he does on the field??? Stud.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
What’s up with the Patriots always in line for sloppy seconds?
What’s up with Steve and Jerry….we need a new post!
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 am
With the start of strength and conditioning workouts, did TO and Leinart come up north to follow their workout buddies? Are they allowed to continue to workout on their free time with CP3 and co?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 am
DMAC…right now I’m trying to convince my girlfriend that we cant keep Them all … Lol..
Theirs big pups… The Father is 120 and the mother 95….. She had 5 pups .. Luckily ive got 5 acres….
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am
Beeeeeeeeeewww…
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am
RR- I am surprised no one went with Akeem Hicks at 95. Plays aginst inferrior competition in Canada but he gets up the field faster than Seymour ” Sey-less.”
Looks to light to be a DE though and kind of reminds me of Houston.
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839.RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
fingers Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 am
DMAC…right now I’m trying to convince my girlfriend that we cant keep Them all … Lol..
Theirs big pups… The Father is 120 and the mother 95….. She had 5 pups .. Luckily ive got 5 acres….
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Good luck. I’m sure its a whole lot of work.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Hardline
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
Fingers
paradise
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
I, too endorse Sammy Brown as the #95 selection. . .just sloghtly over Jsoh Chapman, but his knee scares me. . .so it’s Brown for me. . .
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am
Trumaine Johnson – CB Montana. If he falls.
Big kid, got hisself tased as an underclassmen by campus cops. Sweet!
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 am
RR- I am surprised no one went with Akeem Hicks at 95. Plays aginst inferrior competition in Canada but he gets up the field faster than Seymour ” Sey-less.”
Looks to light to be a DE though and kind of reminds me of Houston.
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Because he’s (Akiem Hicks) a projected 6th RD!
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
Id take that kid poe..
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
Those are big sheps, DMAC. About the size of Malamutes. . .
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
Isnt today the day players get playbook?.. … Can’t wait to get this show on the road…
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
No post since Friday? Jeez..
#95 put me down for Chapman as well, altough I think he may be gone befroe that.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
*before
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Antispy3: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
#95. Keenan Robinson, LB TEXAS
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Id take that kid poe..
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@Mark
Poe with #95 overall?
come on, man
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
Cork needs to get some quotes on the new playbooks..
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
RR…I’m going with Chapman ….value…
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
Alameda Ta’amu will have Romac looking like a star next season.
Draft him Reggie.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Pick 95 = Best player on the Raiders Draft board…
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that goes without saying
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True however, we have no idea who that is….
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
889. cambel will be just as gone as poe.. Ill take whoevers too talented to still be there at 95..
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Whats up DMAC? Alss is well down here…
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
I’m good with the big NG/DT from WA. Alameda Taamu seems like a legit pick there.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Thec Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Whats up DMAC? Alss is well down here…
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Nothing much. Blessed to be alive.
Got 1 more week of work, before my spring break.
Whats up w/ u?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
My updated big board:
3rd – NT Josh Chapman, Alabama; OLB Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma; OLB/ILB Sean Spence, Miami; CB Leonard Johnson, Iowa State; OLB/DE Bruce Irvin, West Virginia; ILB James Michael-Johnson, Nevada; DE Tyrone Crawford, Boise State
4th – OLB Sammy Brown, Houston; FS Janzen Jackson, McNeese State; OT Jeff Allen, Illinois; DE/OLB Jonathan Massaquoi, Troy; ILB/OLB Nigel Bradham, Florida State; OLB Keenan Robinson, Texas; DE/OLB Jake Bequette, Arkansas
5th – DL Akiem Hicks, Regina; DE/OLB Cordarro Law, Southern Miss; DB DeQuan Menzie, Alabama; DE/OLB Julian Miller, West Virginia; NT Damon Harrison, William Penn; CB Asa Jackson, Cal Poly-SLO
5th – DB Robert Blanton, Notre Dame; OLB/ILB Miles Burris, San Diego State; RB Tauren Poole, Tennessee; DE/OLB Frank Alexander, Oklahoma; OT Steven Baker, ECU RB Terrance Ganaway, Baylor; NT Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, Baylor
6th – OT Matt Reynolds, BYU; CB Cliff Harris, Oregon; ILB/OLB Emmanuel Acho, Texas; DE/OLB Brandon Lindsey, Pitt; NT Hebron Fangupo, BYU; DB Coty Sensabaugh, Clemson; WR A.J. Jenkins, Illinois
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Anyone else on board to trade Louis Murphy to Rams? I mean he could warrant a 6th rounder? riiight?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
It looks as if Poe is the new Underwear Olympic champ and that’s it. Scouts are saying he will be overdrafted and that he didn’t do squat in college. And that he never played at a high level. Source was PFT.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
899.raiderinparadise Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Anyone else on board to trade Louis Murphy to Rams? I mean he could warrant a 6th rounder? riiight?
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I know Murph had a tough year last year, but come on man, this kid is more valuable than anything you are going to add in the 6th round. We already need some depth at WR
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
raiderinparadise Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Anyone else on board to trade Louis Murphy to Rams? I mean he could warrant a 6th rounder? riiight?
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Send him to Chicago to sit on the bench w/ his buddy Campbell.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
YA,
You think Cliff Harris will drop that far down?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
DMAC Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
YA,
You think Cliff Harris will drop that far down?
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Very possibly. But as far as the big board goes, I just wouldn’t pick him before then. And even then, he’s a risk. Big character concerns there.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Robert Blanton, Notre Dame ….. I’m a huge ND fan, watched this kid all 4 years …. made big plays all the time. Ball-Hawk and great run support tackler, this is his combine he ran like a 5.2 lmao ????
How is that possible for a corner? Maybe he was hurt? No idea.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
DMAC Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
YA,
You think Cliff Harris will drop that far down?
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Very possibly. But as far as the big board goes, I just wouldn’t pick him before then. And even then, he’s a risk. Big character concerns there.
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Yeah def. some character concerns, but he could end up like Jimmy Williams in last years draft.
I would roll the dice on him in the late rounds for sure though.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
morilla Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
It looks as if Poe is the new Underwear Olympic champ and that’s it. Scouts are saying he will be overdrafted and that he didn’t do squat in college. And that he never played at a high level. Source was PFT.
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Cowboys are said to be penciling in Poe at 14
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
just caught up with Carson Palmer. after glancing at his playbook for about 10 minutes, said the Raiders are definately gonna win the West – Cork
is that what you guys want to hear??
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
Blanton would be a ST guy mainly, but could eventually make the conversion to safety. High character kid, solid tackler, and is long and physical enough to play press-man coverage.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
899.raiderinparadise Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Anyone else on board to trade Louis Murphy to Rams? I mean he could warrant a 6th rounder? riiight?
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I know Murph had a tough year last year, but come on man, this kid is more valuable than anything you are going to add in the 6th round. We already need some depth at WR
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Just figured Carson Palmer has always spoken highly of Eddie McGee from practice squad. Recently he just called him a sleeper at a throw-around in LA.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Ron Bartell may have more value then we are giving him credit for. Check out the fan comments at the end of the article.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/9/13/2423002/ron-bartell-injury-is-it-career-threatening
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Hardline
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
morilla
YA
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
just caught up with Carson Palmer. after glancing at his playbook for about 10 minutes, said the Raiders are definately gonna win the West – Cork
is that what you guys want to hear??
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yes, feel free to provide more of these updates RRS!
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Antispy3: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Pray to God or whoever your higher power is school shooting in Oaktown. This world is freakin jacked up. Hope none of Raider Nation is affected.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
910.raiderinparadise Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
899.raiderinparadise Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Anyone else on board to trade Louis Murphy to Rams? I mean he could warrant a 6th rounder? riiight?
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I know Murph had a tough year last year, but come on man, this kid is more valuable than anything you are going to add in the 6th round. We already need some depth at WR
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Just figured Carson Palmer has always spoken highly of Eddie McGee from practice squad. Recently he just called him a sleeper at a throw-around in LA.
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I give Murphy Brown one more year!!! Would not be broken up to see the guy go though. Last year was a low year for a promising rookie season.
McGee wee will have to wait and see. I can recall them pumping up Hagan as well and well he’s a Bill.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
school shooting in Oaktown
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explains why we haven’t seen Sullivan and/or Kell this afternoon?
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Boss isn’t coming into work today…She ran over her own dog with her two small children in the car. Ouch!
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Oikos University, shooting 5 ambulances at scene, active shooter in building reports OPD.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Hardline
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
Morilla
jesusraiderjim
Dutch
YA
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
I’m probably in the extreme minority on this one, but I think Chris Johnson could still contribute to the Raid secondary and I’d like to see him back.
Think he’d be an ideal nickle.
Anyone know if he’s still under contract or a FA ?
Does he plan on playing again ?
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
My 95th pick would be:
1)Mychal Kendricks (Cal); or
2)Josh Chapman (Alabama)
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
I will say that we have at least 2 trades left in us before the season starts. Welcome to Oakland Ron Brace.
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@HB
Mike Mitchell traded for Ron Brace??
you never know.
Reggie got Goodson in exchange for Campbell, LOL
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Yeah, If that were the case I would say Bellicheat’s mind was slipping kinda like big Al over the last several years! Get er done lol!
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
No Mas Diamante: Mychal Kendricks
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
99: He is not on the Raider roster. An unrestricted free agent. I think CJ needs to take care of CJ first. Guy had a rough 2011….
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
I’m probably in the extreme minority on this one, but I think Chris Johnson could still contribute to the Raid secondary and I’d like to see him back.
Think he’d be an ideal nickle.
Anyone know if he’s still under contract or a FA ?
Does he plan on playing again ?
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I doubt CJ will make any NFL roster.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Drafting Mychal Kendricks will give us another solid versatile LB and a core special teams guy right off the bat.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
We need a NT.
I’m done w/ the Kelly-Seymour experiment.
Tired of getting gashed on the run by nobodies.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Hardline: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
No Mas Diamante: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Antispy3: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
Morilla
jesusraiderjim
Raiderman99
Dutch
YA
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I think Chris Johnson could still contribute to the Raid secondary and I’d like to see him back.
Think he’d be an ideal nickle.
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@RM99
I’d approach this one with extreme caution. This coming from a CJ37 supporter. He was my MUP vote last season
1-year at the vet minimum, but only if two things check out. Is his mind right? is he healthy?
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
if CJ37 is 100% healthy and ready to play football (mental eval?) he might be better than any other CB on the Raiders roster right now ..
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Steve & Jerry must have a three day weekend. Opening day for Raiders getting together, not even a primer post.
Good thing RaiderRockstar has this
3rd round poll going.
ThanksRR.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
from buzz on football sights, Mychal Kendricks expected to go late 1st round, Dontari Poe much higher
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@ alzadoX
who do you think we could/should get at #95 ??
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Kendricks, Ta’amu,Chapman.. I call those dream picks
ill add one of my own
Ronnell Lewis
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Jo-Lonn Dunbar signs with Rams
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sorry, Raider fans
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
DMAC Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
We need a NT.
I’m done w/ the Kelly-Seymour experiment.
Tired of getting gashed on the run by nobodies.
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Thats the truth, BUT I can’ even begin to blame Kelly/Seymour cuz the last 2 D-coordinators had awful schemes and also factor in that the LB core has been terrible for years. The D-line pluggs but the LB’s never has come up to make the tackles. This year Allen & Tarver will be crafting up the best way to stop the run.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
My choice at
95A——-OLB BRUCE IRVIN OLB WEST VIRGINIA
95B——-OLB DEMARIO DAVIS ARKANSAS STATE
REGGIE LOKING FOR OLB, I’M THINKING ALONG WITH HIM.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Ark State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Hardline: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
No Mas Diamante: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Antispy3: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Raider Dell: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
Tjbwall: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Raider Dell Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
My choice at
95A——-OLB BRUCE IRVIN OLB WEST VIRGINIA
95B——-OLB DEMARIO DAVIS ARKANSAS STATE
REGGIE LOKING FOR OLB, I’M THINKING ALONG WITH HIM.
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Keenan Robinson, Texas
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I like Ladarius Green in the fourth round, but being a supplemental pick he’ll probably be gone. . .I wonder if Reg is thinking of parlaying his # 3 pick from next year with another pick to get Robert Turbin. I like his compactness & agility in addition to his size & speed. But he may go in the second round, as many RB’s of this style go in the second or early third rounds. . .
I Really like Marvin Jones, Cal Berkeley WR. But I think he’ll go higher than the projected third to fourth round spot & he’s not a possession type WR, although he could adjust.
Akeem Hicks could be an intriguing pick but the Raiders are saturated with Dlinemen of his size & skill set. But if he’s there in the sixth round perhaps he could learn a thing or three from big Rich.
Have to shift gears; the Giants finally pulled their collective heads out & signed Matt Cain. And the girlfriend just left to go back to work. Fringe benefit of working graveyard; afternoon delight!
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Mychal Kendricks (Cal) would be the best possible pick up at 95 and would be a giant steal… Easily one of my top 5 favorite players last year in College…But I see us drafting Chapman or Shea McClellin…..
So I vote Shea McClellin
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I think Chapman and Ta’amu are pretty equal in how they could help our team, but Chapman’s more likely to still be on the board at #95, due both to his injury and his being slightly undersized (although the scouting reports say he’s been productive at the 0-technique and is more than strong enough).
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I can’t even begin to blame Kelly/Seymour cuz the last 2 D-coordinators had awful schemes and also factor in that the LB core has been terrible for years. The D-line pluggs but the LB’s never has come up to make the tackles. This year Allen & Tarver will be crafting up the best way to stop the run.
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Sands, Warren, Sapp, Williams, Stubblefield, Joseph, Boschetti, Brayton, Wakefield, Hawthorne and countless other DT’s failed to solidify the interior D-Line as well.
It’s either a system/scheme issue or a coaching issue. perhaps both. You can’t help but think that the defense will improve by leaps & bounds now that Davis & Bresnahan are out of the picture. Same could be said for the offense.
BigMac kept all the peices he could afford. A lot of guys getting second chances, if for no other reason than lack of spending money in free agency and lack of picks in the draft. We’ll see what they can do. I really like the hire of Jason “mad scientist” Tarver. Especially with some guidance from Dennis Allen & Reggie McKenzie.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Also, while I was a big fan of Dontari Poe earlier, I’ve cooled on him now. For such a big, physical guy, he’s way too twinkle-toes and unproductive.
Too boom-or-bust for what he’d cost us.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I don’t know who the Raids should select at 95.
I find it hard to speculate on who might be available that far into the draft and honestly don’t know enough about the prospects to strongly recommend any particular individual.
That said, one guy I really like and think will be a helluva an NFL player is the RB from Cincy. Think his name is Isiah Peade or something like that.
Don’t know if he’ll be available and I don’t think RB is a priority, but I don’t think the Raids would regret selecting him.
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ta’amu to me is alil over rated…. I’ve watched alot of his games and his motor is below average..He’s a good 3rd round pick but talking about him in the high 1st or low 2nd are crazy…He’s fell down alot of draft board for a reason..Great kid but has problems staying in shape and has a lack of motivation but does have potential to be a solid NT if some one pushes him…
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ryan Leaf – just took Russels lace as the biggest scum bag with this one.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/04/ryan-leaf-arrested-for-second-time-in-three-days/1
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
while I was a big fan of Dontari Poe earlier, I’ve cooled on him now. For such a big, physical guy, he’s way too twinkle-toes and unproductive.
Too boom-or-bust for what he’d cost us
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@Duck
we need a “twinkle-toes” to replace Mike Bush though, don’t we?
looks like a bouncer, plays like Tiny Tim?
Tiptoe Through the Tulips !!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Arkansas State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Hardline: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
No Mas Diamante: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Antispy3: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Raiderman99: Isaiah Pead (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Raider Dell: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
Tjbwall: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
PurpleDrank81: Shea McClellin (Boise State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
Kell
ROG
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
Morilla
jesusraiderjim
AlzadoX
Dutch
YA
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
If the Raiders select a Cb perhaps Chris Greenwood of Albion in the sixth round? Good size @ 6′1 with a Combine low 40 of 4.32 & a high of 4.42. Not that 40 times dictate Raider draft picls anymore, but his draft stock is going up. . .Perhaps a fifth round supplement. . .
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Pray to God or whoever your higher power is school vshooting in Oaktown. This world is freakin jacked up. Hope none of Raider Nation is affected.
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Agreed however, when stuff happens, we are all impacted 1 way or another…this sucs
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I don’t follow college football enough to offer any opinion on #95. This is not my time of year. I defer to the draft geeks.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Wow, Rockstar; all time low. . .but I did giggle. . .
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
any y’all heck out thee ron bartell highlights on you tube? i know you can’t just loo at highlights and get the player but it is impressive to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUlet8CQbGI
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Chris Greenwood
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@ spy
I thought the fastest 40 time belonged to Ron Brooks (LSU) with 4.35 ??
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Is Leaf being arrested for the same thing in different jurisdictions, or this a completely different crime???
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Wow, Rockstar; all time low. . .but I did giggle. . .
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@ spy
uh oh, what did I do now ??
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Winston Guy Jr. would be a solid pick up in the 6th.. He had 120 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, two passes broken up, two interceptions and a forced fumble. Watched a bunch of his game footage recently another guy Im a big fan of is Audie Cole. He fell down the draft boards alil because he looked a little stiff at the combine but his on the field production is really solid.. He recorded 108 tackles with 13.5 tackles for a loss, 5.5 sacks, four forced fumbles and four passes broken up.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Josh Robinson CB USF 4.33 40 fastest time.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
Jhill
Marley
HGDaddy
GG
ROG
Marks Hair
AIG
Goldie
Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
Kirk
Morilla
jesusraiderjim
AlzadoX
Raider Guy
Dutch
YA
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Josh Robinson CB USF 4.33 40 fastest time.
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@ Raid
is that why you voted for him ??
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RaidO Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Josh Robinson CB USF 4.33 40 fastest time.
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You are aware that Al is gone, right???
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
and just to gauge speed TP ran a 4.35 40. They got to get that guy on the field.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Winston Guy Jr. would be a solid pick up in the 6th.. He had 120 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, two passes broken up, two interceptions and a forced fumble.
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& Danny Trevathan a solid lower round prospect
How bout them Kentucky Boys Eh!!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
and just to gauge speed TP ran a 4.35 40 in 2010. They got to get that guy on the field.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Pryor I really like, he has great upside, and hasn’t been given a chance yet (not even a camp or much reps at all
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Nobody had a camp last year, and everyone seemed just fine.
Not a valid excuse.
He needs to play well and show growth, pretty much immediately.
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Good point. And if it’s not an excuse for a rookie, it certainly is no excuse for a 10-year veteran like Carson Palmer. There are no excuses for his piss-poor performance last year. None!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Good point. And if it’s not an excuse for a rookie, it certainly is no excuse for a 10-year veteran like Carson Palmer. There are no excuses for his piss-poor performance last year. None!
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In the biggest game of the season, Palmer threw for 417 yards. He was not the problem last year.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
LA to TheBay: Ron Brooks (LSU)
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Josh Robinson CB USF 4.33 40 fastest time.
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@ Raid
is that why you voted for him ??
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RRS, I’d like my vote changed.
Fastest 40 time. If that’s Robinson, so be it.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
964. No, dude can play. Not just speed. He may fall to the 3rd. Some think he goes in the 1st. He would be a starter and yeah this is an Al pick but Al could sure pick some CBs.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
Andrew Luck
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Take your Palmer hate outta here and go suckle JaMarcus Russell’s sack you degenerate bottom feeder.
You are the single most unintelligent blogger here and that is saying something.
Anyone who supports Russell after how he ripped us off and set us back is either a Raider hater or has a IQ of 60 I think you are both Raiderdebbie
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Rockstar post #917; also got my stats on Greenwood from NFLdraftscouts.com. . .
Greenwood’s high was 4.52.
Heyward of Vandy reminds me of another former Commodore CB who moved to safety due to relative slow 40 time;Corey Chavous. . .
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Good point. And if it’s not an excuse for a rookie, it certainly is no excuse for a 10-year veteran like Carson Palmer. There are no excuses for his piss-poor performance last year. None!
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Training camps occurred as scheduled, Carson Palmer joined the team off the couch in week 6… I bet if that was Jameatball it would be the teams fault though.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Good point. And if it’s not an excuse for a rookie, it certainly is no excuse for a 10-year veteran like Carson Palmer. There are no excuses for his piss-poor performance last year. None!
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Oh come on man.
Literally coming off his couch at home and given days…not weeks or months… to learn a new playbook, get in profressional football shape in order to play what is widely accepted to be the most important position in all of sports, and not having your best offensive weapon (DMAC) and having a decimated receiveing corps in which to throw the ball to, and there is “no excuse”?
Given all that, he still managed to lead the team to victory against KC in a hostile environment and would have won the SD game and gotten us into the playoffs if not for having the worst defense since the ‘52 Texans backing him up.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Good point. And if it’s not an excuse for a rookie, it certainly is no excuse for a 10-year veteran like Carson Palmer. There are no excuses for his piss-poor performance last year. None!
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In the biggest game of the season, Palmer threw for 417 yards. He was not the problem last year.
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Against SD??? Who said that was our biggest game? If we could have beaten Denver, KC or Detroit we win the division. His picks and missed throws to wide-open receivers cost us all those games. I don’t want to hear another word about a missed offseason. Palmer sucked ass!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
our cb’s and lb’s don’t scare anybody and we lack a bonafied sack artist. DA has his work cut out for him
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Interesting that Carson was able to learn the playbook in weeks, while JaMarcus was able to learn the playbook…never, really.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Against SD??? Who said that was our biggest game? If we could have beaten Denver, KC or Detroit we win the division. His picks and missed throws to wide-open receivers cost us all those games. I don’t want to hear another word about a missed offseason. Palmer sucked ass!
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It should have never came down to that game but it wasnt Carson’s fault, it was the problem of having the worst DC in the league. You cant seriously blame the KC game on Palmer?
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Pryor I really like, he has great upside, and hasn’t been given a chance yet (not even a camp or much reps at all
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I think we all know why you liked the biggest loser in all of sports (Jadoofus) and also like Pryor so much (by the way, i like pryor too but not for the reason you do) and why you hate Palmer so much…it’s obvious.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
on a serious note……
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
Demario Davis
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Who do you want the Raiders to draft at #95 ???
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guest123: Demarco Davis (Arkansas State)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vandy)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raider O: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Hardline: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
No Mas Diamante: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Bcz24: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Antispy3: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
LA to TheBay: Josh Robinson (USF)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
SilverNBlackPA: Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati)
Raiderman99: Isaiah Pead (Cincinnati)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Raider Dell: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
Tjbwall: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
PurpleDrank81: Shea McClellin (Boise State)
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Interesting that Carson was able to learn the playbook in weeks, while JaMarcus was able to learn the playbook…never, really.
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Jamarcus never threw 16 picks in a FULL season, let alone 9 games! And I would take JR in the last 2 mins of a game over Carson Palmer 11 times out of 10! And yes, I’m serious.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
981.poprox13 Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Against SD??? Who said that was our biggest game? If we could have beaten Denver, KC or Detroit we win the division. His picks and missed throws to wide-open receivers cost us all those games. I don’t want to hear another word about a missed offseason. Palmer sucked ass!
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It should have never came down to that game but it wasnt Carson’s fault, it was the problem of having the worst DC in the league. You cant seriously blame the KC game on Palmer?
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Yeah, and i’m sure JC, Jamarcus, Pryor, or heck Doug Williams or Vince Evans or Kordell Stewart would’ve come in the Raiders would have easily won those games.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
The defense could not stop SD offense once in that game.
Shane had “0″ ZERO punts!
How do you win a game when the opposing team never punts answer that one would you?
You cant and its not the QB’s fault!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
still awaiting votes for #95 pick
Attn:
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GG
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Seymour Bush
maverick
AutumnWind
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Debo
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
985.RaiderDebo Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Interesting that Carson was able to learn the playbook in weeks, while JaMarcus was able to learn the playbook…never, really.
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Jamarcus never threw 16 picks in a FULL season, let alone 9 games! And I would take JR in the last 2 mins of a game over Carson Palmer 11 times out of 10! And yes, I’m serious.
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Then you are the biggest idiot blogger in the history of blogs.
I defy you to find ONE SINGLE sports writer or analyst that would agree with you.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Robinson’s a projected second round pick. A tad short @ 5′9′. . .
And to pile on Raiderdebo, what about the Lions game?
Palmer’s not the problem. Allen is really trying to sell CP on his athleticism, touting him as a better athlete (especially with his own Lisfranc foot injury that required surgery). . .Thinks he will better in the WCO than Matt Schaub. . .
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Jamarcus never threw 16 picks in a FULL season, let alone 9 games! And I would take JR in the last 2 mins of a game over Carson Palmer 11 times out of 10! And yes, I’m serious.
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LMAO!!!!!!!! Congrats, this is the dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet today.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Lets face it Raider Debbie hates Palmer he loves Jamarcus Russell.
He is fond of other losers as well if you could see his bedroom he has posters of other famous losers like Ryan Leaf, Jeffry Dahmer, The guy who shot John Lennon and Lee Harvy Oswald.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Pryor I really like, he has great upside, and hasn’t been given a chance yet (not even a camp or much reps at all
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I think we all know why you liked the biggest loser in all of sports (Jadoofus) and also like Pryor so much (by the way, i like pryor too but not for the reason you do) and why you hate Palmer so much…it’s obvious.
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I’m a huge JR fan. Strongest arm in the history of football. He epitomized “cluth” here. I’ve never said a word about TP, but since you brought it up, at the very least he can be as successful as Tebow. Palmer? All I hear is excuses for a guy that you could argue cost us a division title. He sucked in Cincy in 2010, leading the team to a 4-12 record. The next year, a rookie with a noodle for an arm takes essentially the same team to the playoffs. Tell me, why do you like Palmer so much?
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
“LMAO!!!!!!!! Congrats, this is the dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet today.”
Yes indeed please see my comments on post#974
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
antispy3 Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Robinson’s a projected second round pick. A tad short @ 5′9′. . .
And to pile on Raiderdebo, what about the Lions game?
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If he hits a wide open Chaz late in the 4th, we aren’t having this conversation. Palmer is the opposite of clutch!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“He epitomized “cluth” here.”
does cluth mean suck? If so then yes.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“I’m a huge JR fan. Strongest arm in the history of football. He epitomized “cluth” here”
LMFAO
Man you are a good comedian let us know when your next show is!
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
“11 times out of 10″
And this week’s “You Fail Math Forever Forever” award goes to…
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Anyone who supports Russell after how he ripped us off and set us back is either a Raider hater or has a IQ of 60 I think you are both Raiderdebbie
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Man you must be in a good mmod Bruh…Being hella generous…
Anyone that throws away an NFL career due to lazyiness is battery operated, or brain dead.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Palmer is a better QB because he is white.
Now do any of us here actually believe that…NO!!
In fact to say something like that is about as stupid as the things you are saying like, Jamarcus is clutch!
Now that you can see how ignorant your statement is maybe you will shut up about Jamarcus Russell.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
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April 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
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Raiders DC Jason Tarver helped close deal with phone call in getting Wheeler — two had met years ago at Senior …
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In Indy, defensive ends were in charge of chasing QB. “I also like to rush the passer,” Wheeler said
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Wheeler said Raiders new defense “catered to linebackers and the way I play” — will blitz more than he did with Colts
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All of the #Raiders fans reaching out to Wheeler “showed me how big a football city this really is”
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
“Anyone who supports Russell after how he ripped us off and set us back is either a Raider hater or has a IQ of 60 I think you are both Raiderdebbie
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Man you must be in a good mmod Bruh…Being hella generous…
Anyone that throws away an NFL career due to lazyiness is battery operated, or brain dead.”
Yes Thec I was being kind but now not so much!
April 2nd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@ alzadoX
who do you think we could/should get at #95 ??
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I don’t have time to watch college games, so I can’t give a name of a player we should draft. Many years ago, I did a little college scouting for a guy who wrote draft guides, Joel Buchsbaum (with Pro Football Weekly and did his own independent guide before joining PFW). I do know what it takes to actually get an independent informed decision on college prospects and I don’t have time or sufficient interest anymore. I still like to read draft guides from a few years back and see who made it and who didn’t. A lot of guys rated highly don’t make it, but most Pro Bowlers are high picks. I watch the Raider games and a few NFL highlights that’s about it. I watch the preseason games (after the subs start playing) several times to get a good look at our young players.
With new coaching staff and schemes, we have less knowledge of what kind of players will fit, less informed ability to guess what exactly the new Reggime will be looking for. Reggie Mac has rep as excellent evaluator. No one hits on all their draft picks over time.
New Reggime has filled gaping holes so that they will not be unduly influenced into reaching in draft to fill a hole, but competition and depth needed almost everywhere on team. Realistically, on picks later than round 2, need usually will factored in rather than pure BPA drafting, but if you narrow it down to only one or a few positions, you are still likely to make mistakes. But few teams make late round selections at positions where they are loaded. Usually, for teams that have many needs, it is better to trade down in the draft rather than up, with more chances you usually get more hits, whereas that one guy you were so sure about often looks different in camp than he did in college.
Primary needs; some could be filled by developing talent already on roster, and bringing more players in to compete:
OLB/ LB(s) who can rush the passer; Also from what I can tell Allen likes LB who can cover pass
CB who projects as starting calibre; depth is okay (note: I think Ron Bartell excellent if healthy)
NT/DT who can stuff the run (Potential sleepers on roster: Travis Ivey per beat writers, I haven’t seen him play.) Good chance Lamarr Houston plays inside more in 2012, some have suggested Desmond Bryant. In Denver’s 4-3 hybrid D, Broderick Bunkley listed as DT but lined up on center’s nose (4-3 nose tackle), strong anchor guy but also played on move some, Houston may be closest we have to that, but probably not as strong vs. run as Bunkley)
ILB maybe a vet who can push Romac rather than draftee. If we use a 3-4, I think Curry may move to ILB
Edge rusher situational if not starting LB or heavy rotation LB; situational rush DE or LB
RB backup power runner for short yardage, goalline runner also play special teams (potential sleepers on roster: Lonyae Miller, Rashawn Jackson)
QB backup – probably a vet if new Reggime likes Terrelle Pryor, if new Reggime doesn’t like Pryor, then a QB to groom for future
Possession / Red zone WR (potential sleeper on roster: Eddie McGee. Ausberry may even play in red zone WR if he isn’t starting TE. )
TE who is red zone threat at minimum, preferably complete TE (potential sleeper on roster: Ausberry). Reece will probably be used more as receiver.
Those are primary needs; 3rd round pick will probably be BPA at any of these positions of need
also may need:
Punt returner – Denarius Moore still learning how to return punts. Taiwan Jones mostly KOR in college. Jacoby Ford may be used more here.
FS depth/ special teams players (have a lot of players on roster who I haven’t seen yet)
OG & C depth maybe but this is one of easier and cheaper things to find (potential sleepers on roster: 2 year practice squadder Alex Parsons is well suited to ZBS and was being tried at center late last preseason, can play both guards should push hard for roster spot. T-G Zach Hurd if he fits ZBS).
OT depth if Barksdale doesn’t fit ZBS – I don’t understand why some say OL is one of our primary needs, I’d say one of our strengths. Khalif Barnes needs competition to be pushed to play to his potential and keep his head in the game, but I agree with his re-signing) (potential sleeper on roster: T-G Zach Hurd, if he fits ZBS)
Like what new Reggime is doing. Still have draft/trades, rookie UDFAs, June 1st cuts and late market/ bargain free agents. Expect a lot of value/ budget players to be brought in to compete at unsettled positions, especially on defense.
April 2nd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Looks like the Feds raided Oaksterdam. Boooooooooooo!
April 2nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
#95 Pick……Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
April 2nd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Raiders DC Jason Tarver helped close deal with phone call in getting Wheeler — two had met years ago at Senior …
In Indy, defensive ends were in charge of chasing QB. “I also like to rush the passer,” Wheeler said
Wheeler said Raiders new defense “catered to linebackers and the way I play” — will blitz more than he did with Colts
All of the #Raiders fans reaching out to Wheeler “showed me how big a football city this really is”
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booyah!!
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