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Was Al Davis wrong for saying Raiders’ opponent’s QB had to feel pain?

We just posted a column by Monte Poole on his reaction to exiled ex-Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams’ speech to his players the night before playing the 49ers in the NFC playoffs in January.

While agreeing that Williams has been wrong for his role in the bounty-gate scandal, Monte thinks that Williams’ speech was only a bit worse than what the late Al Davis used to say about the Raiders’ opponent’s quarterback: “The quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.”

Do you agree with Monte? Was it wrong for Al to openly say that? Or is it just all part of the game?

Incidentally, here’s a link to the full audio of Williams’ speech to his players. Warning: This contains a LOT of profanity!

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  • Thec

    becker, how about some real news??/ f pool….

  • Marks hair

    46. I call my hairstyle a superbowl cut..

  • Thec

    mcfadden20. Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Tim kawakami, Monte pool, Jon Becker , Steve are all tools . Only Jerry knows about football

    +++++++==

    The joke squad….

  • JLofty

    I remember that Antispy3, always been a key to success in contact sports. Got to find out who REALLY wants to win and who is just there collecting paychecks…

  • DT42

    Say hi to the new NFL. Say hi the “new” Raiders. The Raiders will be lock step with the other 31 teams getting fitted for flags around their waists. None of the current owners will stand up to the Comish. Soon it will be illegal to play defense in the NFL.

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks Hair Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    45. I wouldnt sit them if thats what you mean.. Id reduce their minutes if possible down the stretch..


    Nah man , sitting few extra minutes ain’t going to work … The playoffs are starting in couple of weeks ..they need rest , remember what happened against Dallas last year , you could tell 3 straight finals appearances took it’s toll on the Lakers

  • Thec

    I will be back when one of the joke squad brings us something riveting…

    1 NATION

  • mcfadden20.

    Thec Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    mcfadden20. Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Tim kawakami, Monte pool, Jon Becker , Steve are all tools . Only Jerry knows about football

    +++++++==

    The joke squad….


    Four stooges?

  • Marks hair

    I thought we were just slow and uninspired last yr.. You have to go into the playoffs playing well. And if you bench the starters for 2 games right b4 the playoffs you risk losing your flow..

  • http://InsidetheOaklandRaiders Goldie7

    Master Beeecham Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    YO SWEET SLOGAN AL, BUT IT’S MINE

    That right, blog goobs – I’ve been telling my ladies for years that “They must go down, and they must go down while it’s still hard”.

    I going to sue Mark Davis and his Lame Bowl Cut for millions and put it all into head shots for my new boy band, 2 Kewl 4 Skool

    Speaking of getting wasted on wine coolers, got loaded on Bartels & James this AM and /69ed the heck out of this underage stripper/ on a bean bag

    When I got up it looked like my face had been attacked by a dozen glazed donuts

    Just keeping it real, wizzle

    YO KIM K KEEP MY BOI KANYE SATISFIED ON THE REAL
    ************************************************
    /69ed the heck out of this underage stripper/
    Beecham…that reads like “child predator”. You ever watch Chris Hanson catching children predators? lol

  • mcfadden20.

    Justin Verlander is a beast , only 2 hits allowed through 8 innings, no runs allowed . MVP again?

  • Marks hair

    I like the lakers chances more this yr because they match up better this yr.. Im not worried about rest in the playoffs..

  • Master Beeecham

    Goldie7 Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Master Beeecham Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    YO SWEET SLOGAN AL, BUT IT’S MINE

    That right, blog goobs – I’ve been telling my ladies for years that “They must go down, and they must go down while it’s still hard”.

    I going to sue Mark Davis and his Lame Bowl Cut for millions and put it all into head shots for my new boy band, 2 Kewl 4 Skool

    Speaking of getting wasted on wine coolers, got loaded on Bartels & James this AM and /69ed the heck out of this underage stripper/ on a bean bag

    When I got up it looked like my face had been attacked by a dozen glazed donuts

    Just keeping it real, wizzle

    YO KIM K KEEP MY BOI KANYE SATISFIED ON THE REAL
    ************************************************
    /69ed the heck out of this underage stripper/
    Beecham…that reads like “child predator”. You ever watch Chris Hanson catching children predators? lol

    ————————

    Chris Hanson is a nerd

  • mcfadden20.

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    Justin Verlander is a beast , only 2 hits allowed through 8 innings, no runs allowed . MVP again?

    — against Boston lineup that’s among the best in BA, Runs scored every year

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks Hair Says:
    April 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    I like the lakers chances more this yr because they match up better this yr.. Im not worried about rest in the playoffs..


    Yeah me too, for the simple fact we have a capable pg to run the point and defend pick n rolls .. We should be fine this year ..

  • Marks hair

    Go fk yourselves san diego!

  • mcfadden20.

    Can’t wait for my Sharks to win tonight n lock up playoffs berth.. Bring lord Stanley cup to San Jose

  • mcfadden20.

    Code black ..

  • Que

    I have long said to my friends. The game we watch since the mid 80s slowly but surely became a suit and tie game. The nfl attracted most of us in our 30s and 40s with its hits and tough guy image. Now its the spread and college offense and no defense. Score more points and more people will watch like many other sports. The nba the rules changed with guys now going down the lane and into the paint like its nothing. I havent watched and nba game since new jersey lost to the lakers. Money ruins everything sooner or later

  • RaiderRockstar

    new post

  • http://ibabuss.com antispy3

    No, post 39, Poole said Williams comments were only “slightly more wicked” than Al, assertion that the quarterback must go down hard with the first 10 plays of the game.

    In my book Al’s theory is football 101. Really, you think Poole was exonerated Al entirely? Read the words again. Slightly more wicked.

    Poole is a tool & your comment is not accurate.

  • road dog

    I keep giving Monte the benefit of the doubt, but he is truly looks idiotic when trying to make a story line.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    “Sometime within the 1st 10 plays the other teams Quarter Back must go down and must go down hard!” = Physical Football and intimidation. Raiders did same thing with receivers: “Make them hear footsteps”

    In contrast with:

    “Hey there is a 10k bounty to put Farve on a stretcher and 5 more if he retires permanently” or Go after so and so’s ribs because we got to them earlier and he is whencing” = Dirty Football and spoken by a punk!

    Poole is a fool – this is apples and oranges. Not “slightly more wicked” Poole needs to get a job digging ditches or something. 5k to smash his typing fingers….

  • new-comer

    no i have no problem with what al said compared to greg williams. Al was simply talking about playing hard and physical . what greg williams said was he was intentionally trying to go after players who had specific injurys. Thats the difference between al and greg.

  • 605RAIDER

    No comparison. Monte’s just a hater.

  • alzadoX

    I believed Al Davis wanted his players to hurt the other teams QB and their chances of winning; the two are related; I agree with both and that’s one of my favorite Al Davis quotes.

    It’s my understanding that Al Davis had a photo on his office wall of Big Ben Davidson standing next to Joe Namath after Ike Lassiter broke Namath’s jaw and Davidson did the finishing touches. Both Davidson and Lassiter made my Raiders All Time All Mean Team.

  • alzadoX

    Jon, Cork, Jerry, Monte et al.

    why don’t you do a story about how all pro football teams will pick up players from practice squad of upcoming opponent or sign players they recently cut, or just bring them in for tryout, to pick their brains about their old team – including which players are nursing minor injuries that don’t show up in their injury reports, to take advantage of that information in any way it will help them win, including targeting the opponents’ injured body part.

    You may even want to include how in the old AFL in the 1960s, before they had midweek injury reports (supposedly to discourage selling of this previously privileged info by insiders to gambling interests) and that Al Davis was allegedly a trendsetter in these kind of practices.

    Probably cuz it’s old news

    I listened to Williams’ speech highlights (tried to check out full 12 minute version but website crashed from excessive traffic).

    Most of that is old news too; although it is a little extreme in the targeting of specific players’ body parts, but most of that is in the context of general intimidation as a means to the ends of winning football games–news as old as football itself. Obviously Williams is stupid and Saints management & coaches stupid for outright bounty payments and continuing while under warning and investigation is beyond stupidity. Specifically targeting the head of previously concussed players is pretty extreme and extremely stupid given the NFL’s purported (PR/Legal liability) “focus” on “preventing” head injuries. The NFL player contracts which can be structured to include all kinds of incentives, as well as increased salary for overall effective play, are the proper way to reward a player. No doubt, an institutionalized bounty program administered by management or coaches is really dumb.

    Maybe Monte Poole should go back to the 1950s, when on of the big national magazines (I think Time or Life) allegedly had a story on NFL players retaliating against each other by trying to maim them. Bucko Kilroy, then a noseguard later the Patriots GM, was apparently featured in the story. ( a football magazine from a few years back ran a story about the original story). That was before Al Davis even was a coach. Or he could go back to the 1940s, 30s, 20s, whatever.

    Hopefully, we’ll still have real football in the 2010s and beyond.

  • alzadoX

    Jon, Cork, Jerry, Monte et al.

    why don’t you interview George Atkinson about this topic

  • RIP Dan Birdwell

    Poole’s equivalence argument is just plain nonsense, and that’s the most polite way to put it.

    Saying that some time in the first ten plays the QB must go down, and must go down hard is part and parcel of intimidation. St. Tom Brady (or, Mr. Bundchen, if you prefer) is the prototypical example of why this is a big deal. Hit that guy early, pressure him often early, and his feet get crazy and his throwing mechanics go to hell, and he is a less than mediocre QB for the rest of the game — abd will kill your D otherwise. Same thing with hitting a receiver hard over the middle — is he tough enough not to have alligator arms the next time? Toughness here is not physical, it’s mental. Al Davis understood better than anyone and before anyone how much of a football game is decided on the mental plane.

    On its very face, what Gregg Williams is urging players to do tells us he is focusing on the physical side, literally trying to make opposing players unable to continue.

    Al Davis’ comment goes to the mental aspect of a football game and in a sense elevates what the game is about. Gregg Williams’ exhortation is entirely about the physical aspect of the game and demans the whole enterprise.

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