Palmer and NFL violence: Football’s football
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am in Oakland Raiders.
Was curious to get Carson Palmer’s reaction to what’s going on in New Orleans, keeping in mind he was knocked out of his first playoff game on a knee-high tackle which is now illegal.
With Palmer out early after Kimo von Oelhoffen came in low and inflicted a serious knee injury (ACL, MCL, patellar tendon), Pittsburgh went on to a 31-17. Palmer wrote the injury off as simply the breaks of the game.
“Football’s football,” Palmer said. “Sometimes things just happen. You land wrong, in a weird position, a guy gets pushed into you. You go into a wall. There are so many crazy things that can happen in such a fast amount of time. Sometimes things are just freak accidents.”
As for the Saints and Williams, regardless of what was said in Sean Pamphilon’s audio via Yahoo!’s Mike Silver, Palmer said, “I played against the Saints a handful of times when all these things were giong on and I was hit a ton of times by their defense and never felt anything was a broken rule or anything like that. I remember they were hard, they were fast and they were physical. I never once thought anything illegal or that there was a bounty on any player including myself.”
More Palmer: “It’s a physical, violent sport. The play’s over when somebody gets knocked to the ground. Injuries happen. Concussions happen. At the end of the day, it’s hard to hit somebody and give them a concussion on purpose. The game happens so fast and guys come from so many different angles.”
Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly isn’t overly concerned about Williams’ theatrics or about what was supposedly said in a closed locker room.
“If you don’t play ball, you don’t understand,” Kelly said. “People don’t understand the culture of the game.”
Tough talk in the locker room aside, however, Kelly has a real problem with someone playing with intent to injure while on the field
“That’s definitely where you cross the line,” Kelly said. “You’re taking money out of your pocket and food out of your kids’ mouth. You don’t do that to anybody. You do that to me or somebody else, it’s going to come back on you twice as bad.
“You try and be as physical as you can out there. You have to do that to impose your will on somebody, but you can’t cross the line by going out there and trying to put somebody on the sideline.”
Asked if he thought anyone had ever deliberately tried to injure him during a game, Kelly said, “Tempers fly because people don’t like losing. It’s a macho thing. You don’t like to lose or get pushed around. But I’ve never been out there where I felt someone was trying to target me”
Kelly’s own ACL surgery after injuring his knee in the seventh game of the season?
“It was friendly fire. One of my own teammates,” Kelly said. “That’s how the game is. You can’t be worried about somebody hurting you or trying to hurt somebody because you won’t get nothing done that way.”
Silver has it nailed in his latest Yahoo! story when he writes of the NFL culture change.
Stuff that used to be acceptable simply isn’t anymore and never will be again, for the Raiders or anyone else.
Columnist Monte Poole referenced Al Davis’ favorite saying about the quarterback going down hard, which is actually one of the more mild statements of aggression in Raiders history.
During the NFL Network’s recap of the Raiders Super Bowl winning season in 1980, linebacker Matt Millen talked about how the Raiders dealt with 6-foot-8 wide Philadelphia wide receiver Harold Carmichael. Defensive coordinator Charlie Sumner told Millen, then a rookie, to level Carmichael the first time he came across the middle. Don’t worry about the penalty. So Millen obliged, picked up the personal foul, and Carmichael was a non-factor.
The late Jack Tatum wrote in his book “They Call Me Assassin” about giving points for “knockouts” and “limp-offs.”
With more being known each year about the long-term affects of the sport on the health of the competitors, the NFL can’t afford the kind of bad P.R. that goes along with the whole Saints issue. The league will always have its elements of violence and brutality, but the days of celebrating it are over.
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April 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
I think this is the best Raider blog period. The schit that goes down in here is classic. Don’t change a thing. It’s what makes this blog unique.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Al Davis had it right. The Quarterback must go down and must go down hard!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
DMAC,
What happened with the interview?
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I went Albert Pujols on them!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
yo
April 6th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Ahh tatum..
April 6th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Wheres freeny?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Pfrrrt
April 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Jerry, miss your work. superior to Steve-o.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
“That’s definitely where you cross the line,” Kelly said. “You’re taking money out of your pocket and food out of your kids’ mouth. You don’t do that to anybody. You do that to me or somebody else, it’s going to come back on you twice as bad.
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You mean the millions and millions of $$$$$ you make.
Your kids can buy a few MacDonalds franchises and never have to worry about it.
Come get a 9-5 job, like the rest of this society.
These athletes fk’n kill w/ that “my kids gotta eat” BS!
That goes for you 2 Latrell Sprewell!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Wow, a Latrell Sprewell reference, it’s been a while!
choke em’ choke em’
April 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am
I can hardly wait til August 15th.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am
is dwight freeney still a free agent?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I don’t think Freeney was ever a FA. Has 1 year left on his contract I think. Big bucks 2.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Colts GM Ryan Grigson was adamant at the Owners Meetings on Monday that the team will not be trading RE Dwight Freeney.
It sounds like the Colts are willing to swallow Freeney’s $19 million cap number in order to field a competitive defense. “I’m looking forward to Dwight Freeney being part of the Colts’ defense in 2012,” Grigson said. “He will be a Colt.” Freeney could play the Terrell Suggs right-end role with Robert Mathis ticketed for Jarret Johnson duties in Chuck Pagano’s Ravens-like defense.
Source: Mike Chappell on Twitter
April 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I thought they cut him
April 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I am a realative new comer(3 months) and this is hands down the most insightful information you can get on the Raiders. The guys in here know what they are talking about and have great knowledge of the game and more importatly the history of our beloved Raiders. I have been a fan 45 years and this blog is the reason I am paying attention during baseball season.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
I don’t think Freeney was ever a FA. Has 1 year left on his contract I think. Big bucks 2.
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Wasn’t there talk about Freeney getting cut or traded?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Wassup w/ Reece?
Is he signed?
I’ve asked this like 100x w/ no response.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
You know, its all just a matter of just playing the game! I agree with Kelly, that is where the line is drawn! I really didn’t look into Greg Williams video, audio, blah blah blah, but that reference to Al had no comparison to bounty gate…Al never said to take out the Qb, he just said he must go down and go down hard! Take the opponent out of the game!!! That is all it was!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I think this is the best Raider blog period. The schit that goes down in here is classic. Don’t change a thing. It’s what makes this blog unique
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Sorry DMAC but the blog police have put a stop to that kind of talk.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Good. we dont need any more comp in the afc west..
April 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
I got no beef with the MMMM…Millions that these guys make. That’s a job that requires a unique talent that less than a tenth of 1% of all Americans have. Then this small group is asked to get into 30+ car crashes with no seatbelts in a 3 hour period on a weekly basis.
I wouldn’t want that job seriously, even for all that money. Their health long term sucks in general. It’s not a shock to see the NFL come down on the whole “bountygate” issue.
I’d much rather make my millions as a professional golfer.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
18.DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Wassup w/ Reece?
Is he signed?
I’ve asked this like 100x w/ no response.
Was Reece a FA? I thought I seen that he is one of two FBs on the roster…not sure!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Tollefson is worth slightly more than the vet minimum, but not a whole lot more. Reggie is doing the smart thing by playing the waiting game. Good sign that he left Tennessee without a contract.
Other FAs the Raiders should target:
WR Jerome Simpson
QB Billy Volek
C Jeff Faine
April 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I must admit.
I fk’n loved Greg Williams speech in the locker room!
That def. would have had me pumped!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Wassup w/ Reece?
Is he signed?
I’ve asked this like 100x w/ no response.
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With Reece getting a tender, he is basically on a one year contract, kinda like the Franchise tag. He still has to sign the tender and a team can sign him but they have to give us a draft pick.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
hwnrdr Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
18.DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Wassup w/ Reece?
Is he signed?
I’ve asked this like 100x w/ no response.
Was Reece a FA? I thought I seen that he is one of two FBs on the roster…not sure!
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I thought he was a restricted FA?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I went Albert Pujols on them!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I heard the saints had zero penalties against sf.. Williams is in trouble for making the nfl look bad. Thats it.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Wassup w/ Reece?
Is he signed?
I’ve asked this like 100x w/ no response.
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With Reece getting a tender, he is basically on a one year contract, kinda like the Franchise tag. He still has to sign the tender and a team can sign him but they have to give us a draft pick.
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OK
Thanx for clearing that up for me
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
You know, and that is what it should have been for the players…nothing wrong there…but, if he did pay out to taking players out, that is where he crossed the line!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I went Albert Pujols on them!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who?
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On the interviewers.
I think I hit a home run man.
We’ll see.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Jeff Faine is a good call. He was making some pretty good money in Tampa though, I don’t know if he will lower his price that much.
Volek is smart, and a decent stopgap. I guess no better or worse than Leinart for what we are asking of a backup QB.
Jerome Simpson is a weapon. Will stretch the field. Just what Carson Palmer needs opposite of Moore.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am
29.Marks hair Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I heard the saints had zero penalties against sf.. Williams is in trouble for making the nfl look bad. Thats it.
That is true! They had none! And I think there was none in the Baltimore, Houston game as well!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am
The average NFL player makes something like 20k a year lifetime when you pro rate everything. It’s not a lot. Sure, the mega stars are set for life, but we’re talking about the average player.
So, let’s say someone offers you 20k a year to allow them to hit you upside the head with a baseball bat about 4 or 5 times every Sunday. You taking?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I think this is the best Raider blog period. The schit that goes down in here is classic. Don’t change a thing. It’s what makes this blog unique
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Sorry DMAC but the blog police have put a stop to that kind of talk.
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Popo going to have to catch me 1st.
lol
April 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am
So does anyone know whatever happened with the Tollefson signing? Did he end up going to Tennessee or wherever he was going next?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@DMAC
Did you go with Raider Os game plan or R8ER MIKE?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
hwnrdr Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
You know, and that is what it should have been for the players…nothing wrong there…but, if he did pay out to taking players out, that is where he crossed the line!
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How many actually succeeded?
We don’t know.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
24. Agreed
April 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Not too worried about signing Tollefson with Bryant’s 2nd round tender. Nobody is taking him away at the price. Tollefson’s just another depth guy. I would like to have him, but he’s completely recyclable.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Be in mind of the fact that the average NFL career is just a few years, and of the fact that they rarely see all of the money they’ve signed for.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@DMAC
Did you go with Raider Os game plan or R8ER MIKE?
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I went w/ everyone EXCEPT for Mike and Dakota.
lol
April 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Nobody made tollefson an offer. Must be asking 4 too much.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Good question, although I heard Vilma was on record of saying that he got 25K
April 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
To even imply that each NFL player is a millionaire for life is a flat out lie. Most former players can live a couple of years off of what they made when playing, tops. No matter how prudent their spending habits.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DMAC,
Excellent!!(mr Burns)
Good luck bro.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Thanx O Dog
April 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I didn’t hear about that one Hwnrdr.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Cool. Thanks guys. I was just wondering since it seemed like the topic just went away quietly.
Like most of you, would like the signing but also wouldn’t be upset if we don’t.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
I know former pro athletes, including NFL players, working as part time PE teachers. I know former pro athletes that live with their parents. Would you be willing to take a job as a part time PE teacher…with one catch. You get hit in the head with a baseball bat several times each Sunday, until you’re 30. There’s the life of your AVERAGE NFL player.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Logan Harell from fresno st. can do what tollefson does for a late pic.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
DMAC,
Don’t talk baseball with me bro. You will be wasting your time. I’m clueless when it comes to BaseBall.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:34 am
All I know is moneyballs a joke.. The formula doesnt work against the great pitching in the playoffs.. F billy bean..
April 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Agreed! That whole front office needs to get the F outa here!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Greg Williams, Sean Payton, the players who complied with bounties, and everyone that knew about them are criminals, period. Sure, they won’t be charged. Our system works the way it does. But they are criminals. They’re a criminal element, period.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Everyone involved with the bounties is an assailant. A criminal assailant. Everyone who knew but wasn’t directly involved are accessories. In a perfect world, there would be a DA with the moral resolve to charge them.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am
why can’t we get an indian prince to buy the oakland a’s because he likes there elephant logo? he could spend billions of dollars a year to make us winners and force all the players to take steroids
April 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
DMAC,
Don’t talk baseball with me bro. You will be wasting your time. I’m clueless when it comes to BaseBall.
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I noticed.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
What could they charge williams with?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Why can’t we get a bay area tycoon to buy the A’s? One with a sense of civic pride who believes in investing in Oakland. It’s sad we have to go all the way to India to find one.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Whatever charge would apply to paying people to assault other people, Mark. Don’t know the official language.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
We have mc hammer
April 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
oh no, here comes more nonsense…….
April 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Why can’t we get a bay area tycoon to buy the A’s?
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Because he’s no longer around.
R.I.P Mac Dre
April 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Its not against any law to hit ppl during a football game.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Vittorio Tafur tweets that DA could be the rat in “bountygate”.
doh!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@DMAC
Did you go with Raider Os game plan or R8ER MIKE?
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I went w/ everyone EXCEPT for Mike and Dakota.
lol
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smart man !! good job sir.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Tafur just spreading out gossip today. Must be bored.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Poprox13 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
oh no, here comes more nonsense…….
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Only if it is fed!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
It is against the law to try to injure someone. Sports or not. No sports rules can overrule law. That’s been a debate in boxing for years. That’s why they have gloves, refs, bells at the end of rounds, etc. Sports like football and boxing straddle the line between assault and fair play. Paying your players to outright injure the opponent, not win per se, but injure the opponent, take them out, crosses that line. It’s assault. It’s criminal, period.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
So when are they going to spill the beans on steroids and PED’s being used in the NFL? Better yet, do the fans even care?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Fk vittorio! Dont tweet rumers dk!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Sorry, but no..
April 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
The way I read Tafur’s tweet was someone tweeted that DA might be the rat and he told them to stop starting rumors. Did I read that wrong?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Vittorio didn’t say that. A fan did. Read:
Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
“@mariorichmagui: could DA be rat in bounty gate? rumor it’s an ex-coach >> to quote Timex Social Club, stop spreading those rumors around
April 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Wow. Thanks for the detailed, informative rebuttal, Mark. You really knocked it out of the park, point by point. lol.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Re Bountygate. Two hypocritical jackasses had to run their mouths this week. Number one is Warren Sapp. He was so offended by the Saints. Yet, he is the same bastard who took out some poor special teams dude 50 yards down field. Total cheap shot. It may have ended the dude’s career. Number two is Michael Irvin. He said he felt like “throwing up” after hearing the Williams’ tape. Lest he forgot about the “White House” when he was with the Cowboys. Lining up the coke and hookers, cheating on his wife, etc. That should have made him “throw up,” Williams should be permanently banned from the NFL. Payton should take his 1 year suspension and feel lucky it isn’t a lifetime ban.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Later Raider fans, and criminal apologists, like Mark’s Hair.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Logan Harell is really good. I agree dont pay too much for free agents build from the draft
April 6th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I already made my point. its not against any law to hit people during a football game.. If someone brings a hammer ansd cracks a head open, then its assault.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Let’s re-visit the drugs and alcohol discussion for a few…
We have many REGULARS in here who constantly trumpet sexism, racism, homophobia, x-rated porn, and even threats of physical violence (including death threats) against others.
RRS chooses NOW to file a complaint about drug and alcohol discussions? After years of being OK interacting with the likes of Norcomabob, Bri, MR, Mistabrown, Missedthebeech, and so on?
Must be a boring Friday in Podunk!
April 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am
78. I agree. Those 2 sk a$$ and should not be allowed on t.v..
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Football is a violent sport. Injuries happen all the time. Players are taught and encouraged to be aggressive. Gregg Williams crossed the line. The league has punished the Saints and everyone else is on notice.
We get it. Now can we move on? Please?
April 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Let’s re-visit the drugs and alcohol discussion for a few…
We have many REGULARS in here who constantly trumpet sexism, racism, homophobia, x-rated porn, and even threats of physical violence (including death threats) against others.
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I think its just aginst me Hayes.
think he is upset because i want to get high
and bang Betty White and Bea Arthur !!!lol lol lol
April 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I think one positive for The Raiders, coming off of the Bounty issue with NO, is that in this next generation, we will start to see the reputation flags shifting from The Raiders to The Saints. The Saints will be known as the “dirty” team” in officials’ subconscious, much like the Raiders have, whether they admit it or not, and start to get the phantom/reputation flags. It shifts the focus. I think we are going to start to see the blatantly bad officiating against the Raiders start to decline.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
edward teach Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Football is a violent sport. Injuries happen all the time. Players are taught and encouraged to be aggressive. Gregg Williams crossed the line. The league has punished the Saints and everyone else is on notice.
We get it. Now can we move on? Please
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It’s like this years version of “Favre watch”, It just won’t go away and it’s not very interesting.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
i hope you are right John David
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Let’s re-visit the drugs and alcohol discussion for a few…
We have many REGULARS in here who constantly trumpet sexism, racism, homophobia, x-rated porn, and even threats of physical violence (including death threats) against others.
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I think its just aginst me Hayes.
think he is upset because i want to get high
and bang Betty White and Bea Arthur !!!lol lol lol
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R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
edward teach Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Football is a violent sport. Injuries happen all the time. Players are taught and encouraged to be aggressive. Gregg Williams crossed the line. The league has punished the Saints and everyone else is on notice.
We get it. Now can we move on? Please
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It’s like this years version of “Favre watch”, It just won’t go away and it’s not very interesting.
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More like Tebow talk.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
There’s a H-U-G-E difference in saying, “The QB must go down hard,” or figurative sayings like, “Punch them in the mouth”…and flat-out telling someone to take out somebody’s ACL, or to give someone a concussion on purpose.
Greg Williams has no place in the NFL ever again…but most coaches who use “coach-speak” to fire-up their Players don’t have to change a word.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Sporting News’ Russ Lande ranks LSU’s Michael Brockers as the top defensive tackle in the draft.
According to Lande, Brockers’ combination of long arms, athleticism, strength, and size has some drawing comparisons to Richard Seymour. Lande also calls Brockers the best run stopper in the draft as a “dominant, two-gap defender.” Because Brockers has not developed into a pass rusher, he may appeal more to 3-4 teams as a five-technique end than 4-3 teams looking for a penetrator.
Source: Sporting News
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So is this dude a lock for a 1st rounder?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
John David Booty Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I think one positive for The Raiders, coming off of the Bounty issue with NO, is that in this next generation, we will start to see the reputation flags shifting from The Raiders to The Saints. The Saints will be known as the “dirty” team” in officials’ subconscious, much like the Raiders have, whether they admit it or not, and start to get the phantom/reputation flags. It shifts the focus. I think we are going to start to see the blatantly bad officiating against the Raiders start to decline.
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I disagree, I think after all the suspensions etc; they refs will figure the Saints learned there lesson and won’t be looking any harder to throw a flag IMO.
The Raiders on the other hand with Al passing may get a break with the penalities. We will see though…
April 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I loved that Williams speech. Especially when pointing out those Fairy Whiners.
Priceless!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
*the
April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
The Raiders on the other hand with Al passing may get a break with the penalities. We will see though…
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We still lead the NFL in penalties last year when Al passed.
I think that will never change.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Oh good now I can quit scrolling over all of Sully’s lame tripe posts…
April 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Re 86. I will wait until the season gets underway. I believe these officials are trained to screw the Silver and Black. At times, it seems as if it is part of the ref’s DNA-when it doubt, flag the Raiders.
Re 87. Goodell needs to rule on the appeals today and be done with it. I agree.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Wish Becker/mod would ban his lame @$$. What a tool…
April 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
One thing that jumps out during that Williams rant…he calls Michael Crabtree a prima donna, like it’s just the way they always describe him. That’s classic.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Shut up Dmac
April 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
The Raiders on the other hand with Al passing may get a break with the penalities. We will see though…
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We still lead the NFL in penalties last year when Al passed.
I think that will never change.
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It’s a new year and I think at the league meetings with the refs there will be no more watch the Raiders like a hawk conversations going on anymore.Or it will be buisness as usual lol
In all seriousness I don’t think the Raiders will be a better team record wise this year but I do see them improving vastly when it comes to discipline and penalties.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
My fifth grade football coach was yelling at me to “knock him in the mouth”, “hit him so hard his mama will cry”, we were coached to launch ourselves into the guy with the ball, we were called wimps and sissies if we didn’t play and hit hard. we were coached to put our “hat on the ball” and to lead with our helmets. This was fifth grade in the early 80s. Roger Goodell would wet his panties if he went to a MMA fight.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Shut up Dmac
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I won’t even waste my time w/ u Sully
April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
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you know i will sir !!
was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
watch out for all the children who read this blog.
dont want their parents all upset with me !!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
If it is a clean hit and legal thats all that matters there is nothing wrong with taking a guy out with a clean hit. By the way what did NFL do about fatboys late hit on Gannon in AFC championship game that cost us the game and maybe a superbowl.I think he was fined 25,000 and then let him play in the superbowl
April 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Hairy, I was so sick of the Fahhhhhrrrrvvvveeeeeee watch chronicals every stinking year, I actually started to root for him to sustain a career ending injury.
In my best Jeff “Redneck” Foxworthy voice:
You know it’s time to retire when, fans start rooting for you to blow out an ACL/elbow/clavicle/whatever just cuz they are SICK of your old @$$!!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
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you know i will sir !!
was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
watch out for all the children who read this blog.
dont want their parents all upset with me !!
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Do your thing Mike.
Those kids have bad parenting.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Am I the only one who finds Roger Goodell to be a phoney? As well as an egomaniac.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Hmmm, what was said?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I hope Allen is the informant.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
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you know i will sir !!
was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
watch out for all the children who read this blog.
dont want their parents all upset with me !!
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I think this blog should be the least of worries for parents considering everything else available on the internet!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
109.HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Am I the only one who finds Roger Goodell to be a phoney? As well as an egomaniac.
No, you’re not the only one! But what can we do?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
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you know i will sir !!
was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
watch out for all the children who read this blog.
dont want their parents all upset with me !!
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I think this blog should be the least of worries for parents considering everything else available on the internet!
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True
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Goodell makes Rozelle and Tagliaboo look like renegades with his smarmy old man’s club thing…
April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I think if you slapped Roger Goodell in the face he would fall to his trembling knees and cry like a bi#$h.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
The difference between battery and acceptable injury in sports is a matter of consent. Just playing in the NFL for the most part vitiates intent, which is a necessary element to be guilty of battery. Very serious can occur at the NFL level, yet as CP explained above, “football’s football” a phrase that denotes express and implied consent to injury.
In the history of American professional sports there are few cases where injury led to battery charges against the doer of the injury, and, as I know, there has never been a conviction……due to consent.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
JLofty Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Goodell makes Rozelle and Tagliaboo look like renegades with his smarmy old man’s club thing…
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I second that!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I think if you slapped Roger Goodell in the face he would fall to his trembling knees and cry like a bi#$h.
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I’ll call John Henderson’s former trainer immedietley!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Since we’re on the bounty topic. I wonder who ran into Peyton’s leg on the sidelines that put him on crutches? His own player or someone else?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DMAC,
I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
According to SI’s Tony Pauline, NFL teams’ grades on Stanford OT Jonathan Martin are “all over draft boards.”
Per Pauline, Martin is being graded anywhere from round one to the draft’s second day.
Source: TFY Draft Insider
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Stanford did have a beast O’line.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DMAC,
I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
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I told you dude.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Some jackwad released a fake 2012 NFL schedule, Got everyone up in arms lol
April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Excuse me kids and patents, but what can I say. I love weed.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Hardline, there was a hockey player a few years ago brought up (and convicted I think) of assault. In Canadia methinks…
April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
NFL players are very well compensated for the risks they take to be professional football players. Consider the risk to income ratio of other dangerous jobs ie; firemen, oilfield workers, soldiers, etc, – The average NFL player isn’t risking getting burned to death or shot to death, but might have bad knees for the rest of his life. Thats what happens when you make the deal with the devil to be a pro football player. If you don’t want to get hurt, go work in a bank.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Excuse me kids and patents, but what can I say. I love weed.
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So do I, but I’m the nocturnal weed smoker.
lol
April 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
127
Exactly
April 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DMAC,
LMAO st the smurfs. Gargamel is pissing in a bucket.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
O Dog
Brings back nice memories.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
126.JLofty Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Hardline, there was a hockey player a few years ago brought up (and convicted I think) of assault. In Canadia methinks…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
JLofty,
It would interesting to read about that case, and know its parameters.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The coaches in this thing are being made an example of, but that’s where it should end. The players should get off scott-free. Let’s git er done DeMaurice!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
cant stand him. trying to take to much from the game.There needs to be hard hits thats part of football. Just keep it clean
April 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Anyone read that little article Corky wrote quoting warren sapp and calling that fat piece o shiite an Oakland Raider defensive lineman? Hey Corky, have you been paying attention, or are you just collecting a paycheck?
Sorry, I just hate warren sapp with a passion.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I disagree RaiderDebo. Players should be punished as well. Specially the players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DMAC,
I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
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I told you dude.
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HEY YOU GUYS STOP !!!
somewhere there is a child with bad parents reading this blog and it our job , no duty to raise these children right !!
you guys say that kind of stuff and the next thing you know the kid will be stealing their parents weed and watching cartoons and it will be all our fault !!!
to quote a famous man “YOU PEOPLE” !!! lol lol lol lol
April 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
106 Reading my mind?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
DMAC Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DMAC,
I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
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I told you dude.
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HEY YOU GUYS STOP !!!
somewhere there is a child with bad parents reading this blog and it our job , no duty to raise these children right !!
you guys say that kind of stuff and the next thing you know the kid will be stealing their parents weed and watching cartoons and it will be all our fault !!!
to quote a famous man “YOU PEOPLE” !!! lol lol lol lol
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I blame O Dog!
LMAO
April 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
YO YO YO FRIDAY PENTHOUSE FREAK OUT N FULL EFFECT
Whuzzup Blog McNuggets
Just got baked on some sticky greens and trying on a few new jock straps from BIKE’s new Spring collection – Triple XL, you know what’s up
Had a full on Pajama Jammy Jam last night with some beach volleyball skanks. Shorties were freakin on the dance floor to a little LL Cool J until they discovered my stash of Cool Ranch Doritos in the pantry.
Them hos took down 5lbs of CRDs before I could mix the onion dip WHUT
Working on some tight lyrics for my new boy band, 2 Kewl 4 Skool, will drop them on the blog after I drop this duece into the kiddie pool
CONVENTIONAL METHODS OF MAKING LOVE KINDA BORE ME
April 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
NFL players are very well compensated for the risks they take to be professional football players. Consider the risk to income ratio of other dangerous jobs ie; firemen, oilfield workers, soldiers, etc, – The average NFL player isn’t risking getting burned to death or shot to death, but might have bad knees for the rest of his life. Thats what happens when you make the deal with the devil to be a pro football player. If you don’t want to get hurt, go work in a bank.
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I think I’ll take the millions from Pro Football over minimum wage as a bank teller, thank you very much. Players assume more risk for the greater financial reward,not to mention the competition, camaraderie and fame. Get it?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Peace out peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
Ya’ll have a safe, solid weekend!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
oh i allmost forgot…
I LOVE ME SOME WEED TOO !!!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
primussuxxx Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I disagree RaiderDebo. Players should be punished as well. Specially the players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.
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What’s a player supposed to do, stand up and say no? Or better yet, blow the whistle? It could cost the player his job, or worse his career. The players just went with the program set by the coaches. No penalties for them IMO.
April 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
its a players job to take out qbs and wrs just do it clean
April 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
“Stuff that used to be acceptable simply isn’t anymore and never will be again, for the Raiders or anyone else.”
– Until you start losing and coaches start to get fired then all of a sudden its “We need to get back to the old ways.”
April 6th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Yo, got some mad inspiration from the Certified Platinum Posse for these new 2K4S lyrics
I’ve gotta be subliminal about encouraging kids to smoke weed and have intercourse through my lyrics, think I pulled it off
Hey kids, stay in school!
Don’t smoke pot and obey the rules
Marijuana is illegal throughout the land
But if you wanna small puff, just raise your hand
No way the PMRC will flag this, straight up
April 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
NFL players are very well compensated for the risks they take to be professional football players. Consider the risk to income ratio of other dangerous jobs ie; firemen, oilfield workers, soldiers, etc, – The average NFL player isn’t risking getting burned to death or shot to death, but might have bad knees for the rest of his life. Thats what happens when you make the deal with the devil to be a pro football player. If you don’t want to get hurt, go work in a bank.
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I think I’ll take the millions from Pro Football over minimum wage as a bank teller, thank you very much. Players assume more risk for the greater financial reward,not to mention the competition, camaraderie and fame. Get it?
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Yeah, I get it. That’s exactly the point I was trying to make. Read much?
April 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
primussuxxx Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I disagree RaiderDebo. Players should be punished as well. Specially the players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.
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What’s a player supposed to do, stand up and say no? Or better yet, blow the whistle? It could cost the player his job, or worse his career. The players just went with the program set by the coaches. No penalties for them IMO.
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LMAO, Let us change “Player” to “Cop” in that statement and “coaches” to “Chief.” Still feel the same? “I was just following orders.”
April 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ak8LrlHZiQZGYTzF6tmY4Ms5nYcB?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_bounty_culture_040512
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Awesome article. Agree with every word. Thought it was just me, but I really wasn’t all that shocked by the audio tape. Silver is easily the best writer out there right now.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Get rid of this crybaby now!
April 7th, 2012 at 4:02 am
Jerry McDonald says at end of article:
The league will always have its elements of violence and brutality, but the days of celebrating it are over.
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Jerry, what do you mean the days of celebrating violence in the NFL are over. You enable such celebration with this blog and comments. Repulsive,disgusting, irresponsible semis like myself AlzadoX and Oracle, among others, have in fact been celebrating violence in the NFL on this blog since at least the first reports of the bounty scandal, yet you/Jon/Cork never ban us nor moderate our celebrations of NFL (Raiders) violence. Clearly this blog and comment section enable this kind of activity.
consider for example the following comments posted in your blog which have been directed at a player, Peyton Manning, who has undergone 4 neck procedures:
alzadoX Says:
FREE AGENT MARKET=USED CAR LOT
MANNING=BLOWN HEAD GASKET
BRONCOS=BROKE
PEY-TON$MANNING
BRONCOS=BROKE
The Oracle Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 pm
OPERATION NECKBREAKER 2012
The Oracle Says:
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
CODE 18 WHIPLASH
What part of
BREAK MANNING’S RICH ASS NECK NO BOUNTY NECESSARY
CODE BLACKOUT
Don’t you understand?
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
I would love nothing more than to send Peyton to the pension collection line, about 10 passes into his Bronco career in the season opener.
Make Elway and the national media look like complete fools.
Than Tebow can start and play well in NYJ, and complete fan revolt in Denver.
One can only dream.
IF PEYTON MANNING GETS KILLED SEPTEMBER _______ 2012 WILL HE BECOME INSTANTANEOUSLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE HALL OF FAME?
Goldie7 Says:
My worry is…Peyton Manning is part ailen. I mean just take a good look at him.
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HE WILL LOOK BETTER AFTER EMBALMING…OR CREMATION
Peyton Manning is part ailen.
HE’LL BE ALL AILIN’ AFTER FIRST GAME VS RAIDERS 2012
Mark Clemens Says:
March 21st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Tebow will still playing when Manning is in a wheelchair.
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 21st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
In the Arena League
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
saw the hit when cp went down definently a dirty hit by pit
they were going to lose for sure cuz the bungles had thier number that year
tatum was a beast !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!