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Palmer and NFL violence: Football’s football

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am in Oakland Raiders.

Was curious to get Carson Palmer’s reaction to what’s going on in New Orleans, keeping in mind he was knocked out of his first playoff game on a knee-high tackle which is now illegal.

With Palmer out early after Kimo von Oelhoffen came in low and inflicted a serious knee injury (ACL, MCL, patellar tendon), Pittsburgh went on to a 31-17. Palmer wrote the injury off as simply the breaks of the game.

“Football’s football,” Palmer said. “Sometimes things just happen. You land wrong, in a weird position, a guy gets pushed into you. You go into a wall. There are so many crazy things that can happen in such a fast amount of time. Sometimes things are just freak accidents.”

As for the Saints and Williams, regardless of what was said in Sean Pamphilon’s audio via Yahoo!’s Mike Silver, Palmer said, “I played against the Saints a handful of times when all these things were giong on and I was hit a ton of times by their defense and never felt anything was a broken rule or anything like that. I remember they were hard, they were fast and they were physical. I never once thought anything illegal or that there was a bounty on any player including myself.”

More Palmer: “It’s a physical, violent sport. The play’s over when somebody gets knocked to the ground. Injuries happen. Concussions happen. At the end of the day, it’s hard to hit somebody and give them a concussion on purpose. The game happens so fast and guys come from so many different angles.”

Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly isn’t overly concerned about Williams’ theatrics or about what was supposedly said in a closed locker room.

“If you don’t play ball, you don’t understand,” Kelly said. “People don’t understand the culture of the game.”

Tough talk in the locker room aside, however, Kelly has a real problem with someone playing with intent to injure while on the field

“That’s definitely where you cross the line,” Kelly said. “You’re taking money out of your pocket and food out of your kids’ mouth. You don’t do that to anybody. You do that to me or somebody else, it’s going to come back on you twice as bad.

“You try and be as physical as you can out there. You have to do that to impose your will on somebody, but you can’t cross the line by going out there and trying to put somebody on the sideline.”

Asked if he thought anyone had ever deliberately tried to injure him during a game, Kelly said, “Tempers fly because people don’t like losing. It’s a macho thing. You don’t like to lose or get pushed around. But I’ve never been out there where I felt someone was trying to target me”

Kelly’s own ACL surgery after injuring his knee in the seventh game of the season?

“It was friendly fire. One of my own teammates,” Kelly said. “That’s how the game is. You can’t be worried about somebody hurting you or trying to hurt somebody because you won’t get nothing done that way.”

Silver has it nailed in his latest Yahoo! story when he writes of the NFL culture change.

Stuff that used to be acceptable simply isn’t anymore and never will be again, for the Raiders or anyone else.

Columnist Monte Poole referenced Al Davis’ favorite saying about the quarterback going down hard, which is actually one of the more mild statements of aggression in Raiders history.

During the NFL Network’s recap of the Raiders Super Bowl winning season in 1980, linebacker Matt Millen talked about how the Raiders dealt with 6-foot-8 wide Philadelphia wide receiver Harold Carmichael. Defensive coordinator Charlie Sumner told Millen, then a rookie, to level Carmichael the first time he came across the middle. Don’t worry about the penalty. So Millen obliged, picked up the personal foul, and Carmichael was a non-factor.

The late Jack Tatum wrote in his book “They Call Me Assassin” about giving points for “knockouts” and “limp-offs.”

With more being known each year about the long-term affects of the sport on the health of the competitors, the NFL can’t afford the kind of bad P.R. that goes along with the whole Saints issue. The league will always have its elements of violence and brutality, but the days of celebrating it are over.

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  • http://raiders.com Mark Clemens

    Shut up Dmac

  • HairyBush

    DMAC Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    The Raiders on the other hand with Al passing may get a break with the penalities. We will see though…
    ========

    We still lead the NFL in penalties last year when Al passed.
    I think that will never change.
    —————-
    It’s a new year and I think at the league meetings with the refs there will be no more watch the Raiders like a hawk conversations going on anymore.Or it will be buisness as usual lol

    In all seriousness I don’t think the Raiders will be a better team record wise this year but I do see them improving vastly when it comes to discipline and penalties.

  • Just Win Baby

    My fifth grade football coach was yelling at me to “knock him in the mouth”, “hit him so hard his mama will cry”, we were coached to launch ourselves into the guy with the ball, we were called wimps and sissies if we didn’t play and hit hard. we were coached to put our “hat on the ball” and to lead with our helmets. This was fifth grade in the early 80s. Roger Goodell would wet his panties if he went to a MMA fight.

  • DMAC

    Mark Clemens Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Shut up Dmac
    =========

    I won’t even waste my time w/ u Sully

  • R8ER MIKE

    HairyBush Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
    **************************************
    you know i will sir !!
    was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
    watch out for all the children who read this blog.
    dont want their parents all upset with me !!

  • 71raider

    If it is a clean hit and legal thats all that matters there is nothing wrong with taking a guy out with a clean hit. By the way what did NFL do about fatboys late hit on Gannon in AFC championship game that cost us the game and maybe a superbowl.I think he was fined 25,000 and then let him play in the superbowl

  • JLofty

    Hairy, I was so sick of the Fahhhhhrrrrvvvveeeeeee watch chronicals every stinking year, I actually started to root for him to sustain a career ending injury.
    In my best Jeff “Redneck” Foxworthy voice:
    You know it’s time to retire when, fans start rooting for you to blow out an ACL/elbow/clavicle/whatever just cuz they are SICK of your old @$$!!

  • DMAC

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    HairyBush Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
    **************************************
    you know i will sir !!
    was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
    watch out for all the children who read this blog.
    dont want their parents all upset with me !!
    ==========

    Do your thing Mike.
    Those kids have bad parenting.

  • HairyBush

    Am I the only one who finds Roger Goodell to be a phoney? As well as an egomaniac.

  • hwnrdr

    Hmmm, what was said?

  • http://raiders.com Mark Clemens

    I hope Allen is the informant.

  • HairyBush

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    HairyBush Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
    **************************************
    you know i will sir !!
    was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
    watch out for all the children who read this blog.
    dont want their parents all upset with me !!
    —————-
    I think this blog should be the least of worries for parents considering everything else available on the internet!

  • hwnrdr

    109.HairyBush Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Am I the only one who finds Roger Goodell to be a phoney? As well as an egomaniac.

    No, you’re not the only one! But what can we do?

  • DMAC

    HairyBush Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    HairyBush Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    R8ermike- Do your thing man, enjoy life!
    **************************************
    you know i will sir !!
    was just trying to have some laughs. but now i have to
    watch out for all the children who read this blog.
    dont want their parents all upset with me !!
    —————-
    I think this blog should be the least of worries for parents considering everything else available on the internet!
    =========

    True

  • JLofty

    Goodell makes Rozelle and Tagliaboo look like renegades with his smarmy old man’s club thing…

  • Just Win Baby

    I think if you slapped Roger Goodell in the face he would fall to his trembling knees and cry like a bi#$h.

  • Hardline

    The difference between battery and acceptable injury in sports is a matter of consent. Just playing in the NFL for the most part vitiates intent, which is a necessary element to be guilty of battery. Very serious can occur at the NFL level, yet as CP explained above, “football’s football” a phrase that denotes express and implied consent to injury.

    In the history of American professional sports there are few cases where injury led to battery charges against the doer of the injury, and, as I know, there has never been a conviction……due to consent.

  • HairyBush

    JLofty Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    Goodell makes Rozelle and Tagliaboo look like renegades with his smarmy old man’s club thing…
    —————-
    I second that!

  • HairyBush

    Just Win Baby Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    I think if you slapped Roger Goodell in the face he would fall to his trembling knees and cry like a bi#$h.
    —————-
    I’ll call John Henderson’s former trainer immedietley!!!

  • DMAC

    Since we’re on the bounty topic. I wonder who ran into Peyton’s leg on the sidelines that put him on crutches? His own player or someone else?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DMAC,

    I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.

  • DMAC

    According to SI’s Tony Pauline, NFL teams’ grades on Stanford OT Jonathan Martin are “all over draft boards.”
    Per Pauline, Martin is being graded anywhere from round one to the draft’s second day.
    Source: TFY Draft Insider
    ===========

    Stanford did have a beast O’line.

  • DMAC

    Raider O Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DMAC,

    I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
    =========

    I told you dude.

  • HairyBush

    Some jackwad released a fake 2012 NFL schedule, Got everyone up in arms lol

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Excuse me kids and patents, but what can I say. I love weed.

  • JLofty

    Hardline, there was a hockey player a few years ago brought up (and convicted I think) of assault. In Canadia methinks…

  • Just Win Baby

    NFL players are very well compensated for the risks they take to be professional football players. Consider the risk to income ratio of other dangerous jobs ie; firemen, oilfield workers, soldiers, etc, – The average NFL player isn’t risking getting burned to death or shot to death, but might have bad knees for the rest of his life. Thats what happens when you make the deal with the devil to be a pro football player. If you don’t want to get hurt, go work in a bank.

  • DMAC

    Raider O Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Excuse me kids and patents, but what can I say. I love weed.
    ==========

    So do I, but I’m the nocturnal weed smoker.
    lol

  • DMAC

    127
    Exactly

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DMAC,

    LMAO st the smurfs. Gargamel is pissing in a bucket.

  • DMAC

    O Dog
    Brings back nice memories.

  • Hardline

    126.JLofty Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Hardline, there was a hockey player a few years ago brought up (and convicted I think) of assault. In Canadia methinks…
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    JLofty,

    It would interesting to read about that case, and know its parameters.

  • RaiderDebo

    The coaches in this thing are being made an example of, but that’s where it should end. The players should get off scott-free. Let’s git er done DeMaurice!

  • 71raider

    cant stand him. trying to take to much from the game.There needs to be hard hits thats part of football. Just keep it clean

  • primussuxxx

    Anyone read that little article Corky wrote quoting warren sapp and calling that fat piece o shiite an Oakland Raider defensive lineman? Hey Corky, have you been paying attention, or are you just collecting a paycheck?

    Sorry, I just hate warren sapp with a passion.

  • primussuxxx

    I disagree RaiderDebo. Players should be punished as well. Specially the players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.

  • R8ER MIKE

    DMAC Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    Raider O Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DMAC,

    I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
    =========

    I told you dude.

    *************
    HEY YOU GUYS STOP !!!
    somewhere there is a child with bad parents reading this blog and it our job , no duty to raise these children right !!
    you guys say that kind of stuff and the next thing you know the kid will be stealing their parents weed and watching cartoons and it will be all our fault !!!
    to quote a famous man “YOU PEOPLE” !!! lol lol lol lol

  • NAZRAIDER

    106 Reading my mind?

  • DMAC

    players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.
    R8ER MIKE Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    DMAC Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    Raider O Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DMAC,

    I’m high as hell watching the smurfs. Good call bro.
    =========

    I told you dude.

    *************
    HEY YOU GUYS STOP !!!
    somewhere there is a child with bad parents reading this blog and it our job , no duty to raise these children right !!
    you guys say that kind of stuff and the next thing you know the kid will be stealing their parents weed and watching cartoons and it will be all our fault !!!
    to quote a famous man “YOU PEOPLE” !!! lol lol lol lol
    ===========

    I blame O Dog!

    LMAO

  • Master Beeecham

    YO YO YO FRIDAY PENTHOUSE FREAK OUT N FULL EFFECT

    Whuzzup Blog McNuggets

    Just got baked on some sticky greens and trying on a few new jock straps from BIKE’s new Spring collection – Triple XL, you know what’s up

    Had a full on Pajama Jammy Jam last night with some beach volleyball skanks. Shorties were freakin on the dance floor to a little LL Cool J until they discovered my stash of Cool Ranch Doritos in the pantry.

    Them hos took down 5lbs of CRDs before I could mix the onion dip WHUT

    Working on some tight lyrics for my new boy band, 2 Kewl 4 Skool, will drop them on the blog after I drop this duece into the kiddie pool

    CONVENTIONAL METHODS OF MAKING LOVE KINDA BORE ME

  • RaiderDebo

    Just Win Baby Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    NFL players are very well compensated for the risks they take to be professional football players. Consider the risk to income ratio of other dangerous jobs ie; firemen, oilfield workers, soldiers, etc, – The average NFL player isn’t risking getting burned to death or shot to death, but might have bad knees for the rest of his life. Thats what happens when you make the deal with the devil to be a pro football player. If you don’t want to get hurt, go work in a bank.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I think I’ll take the millions from Pro Football over minimum wage as a bank teller, thank you very much. Players assume more risk for the greater financial reward,not to mention the competition, camaraderie and fame. Get it?

  • DMAC

    Peace out peoples!
    Go A’s!
    Go Dubs!
    Go Cal Bears!
    Go Raiders!

    Ya’ll have a safe, solid weekend!

  • R8ER MIKE

    oh i allmost forgot…
    I LOVE ME SOME WEED TOO !!!!!

  • RaiderDebo

    primussuxxx Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    I disagree RaiderDebo. Players should be punished as well. Specially the players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    What’s a player supposed to do, stand up and say no? Or better yet, blow the whistle? It could cost the player his job, or worse his career. The players just went with the program set by the coaches. No penalties for them IMO.

  • 71raider

    its a players job to take out qbs and wrs just do it clean

  • DT42

    “Stuff that used to be acceptable simply isn’t anymore and never will be again, for the Raiders or anyone else.”

    – Until you start losing and coaches start to get fired then all of a sudden its “We need to get back to the old ways.”

  • Master Beeecham

    Yo, got some mad inspiration from the Certified Platinum Posse for these new 2K4S lyrics

    I’ve gotta be subliminal about encouraging kids to smoke weed and have intercourse through my lyrics, think I pulled it off

    Hey kids, stay in school!
    Don’t smoke pot and obey the rules
    Marijuana is illegal throughout the land
    But if you wanna small puff, just raise your hand

    No way the PMRC will flag this, straight up

  • Just Win Baby

    RaiderDebo Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    Just Win Baby Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    NFL players are very well compensated for the risks they take to be professional football players. Consider the risk to income ratio of other dangerous jobs ie; firemen, oilfield workers, soldiers, etc, – The average NFL player isn’t risking getting burned to death or shot to death, but might have bad knees for the rest of his life. Thats what happens when you make the deal with the devil to be a pro football player. If you don’t want to get hurt, go work in a bank.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I think I’ll take the millions from Pro Football over minimum wage as a bank teller, thank you very much. Players assume more risk for the greater financial reward,not to mention the competition, camaraderie and fame. Get it?
    ================================

    Yeah, I get it. That’s exactly the point I was trying to make. Read much?

  • DutchRaider77

    primussuxxx Says:
    April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    I disagree RaiderDebo. Players should be punished as well. Specially the players that collected bounties. Then we can move on.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    What’s a player supposed to do, stand up and say no? Or better yet, blow the whistle? It could cost the player his job, or worse his career. The players just went with the program set by the coaches. No penalties for them IMO.

    __________________________________________________

    LMAO, Let us change “Player” to “Cop” in that statement and “coaches” to “Chief.” Still feel the same? “I was just following orders.”

  • RaiderDebo

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ak8LrlHZiQZGYTzF6tmY4Ms5nYcB?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_bounty_culture_040512

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    Awesome article. Agree with every word. Thought it was just me, but I really wasn’t all that shocked by the audio tape. Silver is easily the best writer out there right now.