Raiders, Tollefson reach agreement on contract
By Steve Corkran
Friday, April 6th, 2012 at 6:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders agreed in principal to a contract with veteran defensive lineman Dave Tollefson on Friday afternoon, Bay Area News Group has learned.
Details of the contract are being finalized. A source close to the situation said Tollefson’s signing is imminent and a mere formality.
Tollefson, 29, spent the past five seasons with the New York Giants, where he played a part in their winning two Super Bowl titles.
He is expected to carve out a niche as part of Oakland’s defensive line rotation. He played defensive end, defensive tackle and linebacker for the Giants.
Tollefson started two games last season and posted a career-high five sacks. His signing will help offset the loss of veteran defensive linemen Jarvis Moss and Trevor Scott. Moss remains a free agent. Scott signed with the New England Patriots earlier in free agency.
The Raiders won’t comment on the matter until the contract is signed and the league approves the paperwork.
Tollefson was with the Raiders in training camp and on their practice squad for part of the 2007 season before the Giants signed him to their 53-man roster.
Originally, he was a seventh-round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers in 2006. Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie was with the Packers when Tollefson was there for one season.
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April 6th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
1st!
April 6th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Dos
April 6th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Sapp files for Bankruptcy. He owes 4 Baby Mamas.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Keep signing them work horses RM!
April 6th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I don’t have the feeling we’re changing to a base 3-4 defense. I feel like we’re going to be a 4-3 with many other looks.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Sweet.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Too many 4-3 guys to make it a base 3-4. But at least it won’t be vanilla anymore.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I don’t have the feeling we’re changing to a base 3-4 defense. I feel like we’re going to be a 4-3 with many other looks.
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I agree. And it is what we have been doing for the last few years believe it or not.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I don’t think so either plunk as is the team needs more linebackers for 4-3 if we were to switch to 3-4 we would really be in dire straights because of lacking them
April 6th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Thats 5 for 5 for Reggie. Doing a grea job for what he had to work with
April 6th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
And another vet DL with championship experience to go along with Seymoure in tutoring our young horses.. Way to go RMK..
April 6th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I know numbers aren’t that important, but…should we be concerned?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TollDa99.htm
April 6th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I don’t think any of us believe that the Raiders will have a
3-4 base, but to line up in some formations with a real
“Nose Tackle” in short yardage situations would only work to our advantage
April 6th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
If we stay with a 4-3, that would really change the draft strategy?
April 6th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Anyone got the low down on Tollefson?
Run stuffer/pass rusher? I don’t remember him.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I was just wondering that too, dutch.. Maybe my pick of Chapman is off the mark.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Raiders for life Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Anyone got the low down on Tollefson?
Run stuffer/pass rusher? I don’t remember him.
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Played De in NYG 4-3 base
Played Dt in 4-3 on obvious passing situations
Played some Olb in college,considered “capable” of playing Olb in a 3-4
April 6th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
If we stay with a 4-3, that would really change the draft strategy?
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3-4 or 4-3 the Raiders still need a true “Nose Tackle” like Chapman
April 6th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Need all the help we can get for defense. Our offense is good to go. We should just draft defensive players. But keep up the good work Reggie
April 6th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
No Overrating. Tollefson is average at best. Don’t act like Reggie just signed a pro bowl DL. He is a career backup 2nd stringer.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I’m gonna go spark some tree and think about this..
April 6th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Started 2 games in his career. rotational body
April 6th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
I’m still going with an NT at #95. Even if we are staying in a 4-3, we still need a 1-technique NT, and Kelly ain’t it. He’s a 3-technique, period.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
If we stay with a 4-3, that would really change the draft strategy?
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3-4 or 4-3 the Raiders still need a true “Nose Tackle” like Chapman
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Too true, but not sure we may draft as many LBs as many thought. Room to get a CB, S and some OL…
April 6th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Very low key reference there plunk! The kids would never know!
April 6th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
No Overrating. Tollefson is average at best. Don’t act like Reggie just signed a pro bowl DL. He is a career backup 2nd stringer
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Thanks RaidO, just wondering what the excitment was all about. Just googled him and yeah, you and KK are right.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Solid move.
Now, who gives a 2nd for Bryant?
April 6th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Now, who gives a 2nd for Bryant?
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No one.
This move replaces Trevor Scott/Jarvis Moss.
Has nothing to do with Bryant.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
Former Giant/Packer DE Dave Tollefson agrees with Oakland for 2 years, $2.5M. Good guy, good value for Reggie and the Raiders.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Good signing. A solid upgrade to Moss, and a locker room leader to replace Cartwright.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Easy there Plunk the bolg police and children will get upset .me I just burned a forest. hahaha
April 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Thought Goodson was Rocks replacement??
April 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
2 year deal. All the others have been1 year.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Brisiel was 5 years, but yes, the rest were 1 year. Good call, interesting.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
KK. maybe that’s why he signed with us. Could have been the TITans were offering was a 1year deal
April 6th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Thought Goodson was Rocks replacement??
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Goodson is Rock’s replacement as a backup RB. Tollefson, like Rock, is both an ace Special-Teamer and locker room leader. That’s what I meant.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Good call Duck. I am picking up what you are putting down.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Brisiel was 5 years, but yes, the rest were 1 year. Good call, interesting.
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It’s because Reggie and DA are confident that Brisiel will play at a high level for multiple years. The others, they’re not sure about.
It’s a win-win. Bartell and co. will play at a high level because they’re playing for their next big contract. If they do OK, we can re-sign them on the cheap if we want. If they do really well, we can re-sign them if it won’t break the bank. Otherwise, we let them walk and then reap the compensatory picks a year later.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
great versatile signing – will be a multiple look D
April 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
run will be stoppped better
April 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Duck doyou think we have lost anybody this year that will get us a compensatory picks next year?
April 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
LDE: Bryant, Tollefson
DT: Houston/ NT
DT: Seymour/ TK
RDE: Shaughnessy, Brodine
SLB: Curry/ Wheeler
MLB: McClain
WLB: Wheeler/ Curry
CB: Bartell, DVD
CB: Spencer/ Chekwa
SS: Branch, MN
FS: Huff
April 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Yep, I guess the competition forced the 2nd year.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Thought Goodson was Rocks replacement??
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I thought Goodson was brought in to compete for the #2 spot behind DAMC. Replacement for Bush, not a #4 behind T. Jones.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Good signing. A solid upgrade to Moss, and a locker room leader to replace Cartwright.
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“locker room leader”??
A career backup 2nd stringer? I don’t think so.
Stop the overrating.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
The raiders are a 4 d-lineman team… Der..
April 6th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
@ 44
Woops, meant #3 behind T. Jones.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Duck doyou think we have lost anybody this year that will get us a compensatory picks next year?
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The only ones that we’ve lost through FA have been Satele, Bush and Cartright, and we’ve signed more than that. Remember that Wimbley and Routt were outright releases, so they don’t count.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Plunk you done with the tree trimming yet?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaidO Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
“locker room leader”??
A career backup 2nd stringer? I don’t think so.
Stop the overrating.
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So Tollefson isn’t a locker room leader because he doesn’t start, but Cartright was because…he didn’t start?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
We lost Bush!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
The players have met with coaches and say we are staying with a 4 man front. All the roster moves and existing players are 4-3 fits.. Why cant this discussion end..
April 6th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaidO Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
“locker room leader”??
A career backup 2nd stringer? I don’t think so.
Stop the overrating.
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So Tollefson isn’t a locker room leader because he doesn’t start, but Cartright was because…he didn’t start?
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Nothing about this guys says leader. You are just making stuff up.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
5 sacks with only 2 starts and a great special teamer..
If that’s the kind of depth Reggie is gonna get us used to, that’s plenty for me to get excited about.
What was the highest sack total for one of our starting DE’s last year?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Duck doyou think we have lost anybody this year that will get us a compensatory picks next year?
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The only ones that we’ve lost through FA have been Satele, Bush and Cartright, and we’ve signed more than that. Remember that Wimbley and Routt were outright releases, so they don’t count.
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How about JC? Although it doesn’t look promising, if Cutler goes down and JC does well, we get a comp pick?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Good lookin out Duck. thanks
April 6th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Great f8kin signing, now good night every1, don’t bother responding..
April 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
54.Breaking_Black Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
5 sacks with only 2 starts and a great special teamer..
If that’s the kind of depth Reggie is gonna get us used to, that’s plenty for me to get excited about.
What was the highest sack total for one of our starting DE’s last year?
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Exactly what I was thinking. 5 sacks in 2 starts looks pretty good to me.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
A’s game about to start, about to watch.. gnite … don’t reply to me
April 6th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
top 1st 0-0 1 out .. gnite .. don’t bother to reply
April 6th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
We’ll c n August……..WHAT IT DO
April 6th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Great news…Like the movie Point Break…Reggie Mac gets his man!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaidO Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
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Nothing about this guys says leader. You are just making stuff up.
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You obviously don’t know much about Tollefson
Tollefson’s teammates say the guy is “popular in the locker room” You might say he is a leader…
April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Reggie Mac keeps making lemonade!
Great addition, 2x SB winner, need as many guys rotating on the D Line as possible.
I can’t wait for the draft!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Giants lost .. fck yeah .. night.. don’t respond back
April 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
303Raider Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Reggie Mac keeps making lemonade!
Great addition, 2x SB winner, need as many guys rotating on the D Line as possible.
I can’t wait for the draft!!!
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yup very good addition
April 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
303Raider Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Reggie Mac keeps making lemonade!
Great addition, 2x SB winner, need as many guys rotating on the D Line as possible.
I can’t wait for the draft!!!
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Can’t wait either
April 6th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Duck doyou think we have lost anybody this year that will get us a compensatory picks next year?
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The only ones that we’ve lost through FA have been Satele, Bush and Cartright, and we’ve signed more than that. Remember that Wimbley and Routt were outright releases, so they don’t count.
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How about JC? Although it doesn’t look promising, if Cutler goes down and JC does well, we get a comp pick?
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I didn’t think about JC, but that still leaves 4 who have left versus 6 (Brisiel, Spencer, Bartell, Lee, Wheeler and Tollefson) who have come in. So my understanding is that we currently not in line for any 2013 compensatory picks.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Solid pickup. High motor guy. Not exactly the same player but think of Trevor Scott early on before the knee injury. That’s about the type of production Tollefson can bring. Don’t forget that Scott was a very solid young player there those first couple of years.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Reggie done snatched Tollefson away from the
Packers,Giants,Seahawks,Titans
April 6th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
I’m back.. interesting that he met with us, didn’t sign, met with the Titans, then sihgned with us.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
*signed
April 6th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
On top of the 5 sacks last year, he had 2 forced fumbles, returning one for one yard. Started for Justin Tuck in the first game of the year. I say Welcome Home Toleffson!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
I’m back.. interesting that he met with us, didn’t sign, met with the Titans, then sihgned with us.
What’s up Plunk? Yeah, he went to the Titans but have said that he wanted to play for us!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Kirk Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Exactly what I was thinking. 5 sacks in 2 starts looks pretty good to me.
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Ah the bliss of the simple-minded.
5 sacks in a 5yr career, 2 games started, ok?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Whats up Hwnrdr.. I’m feeling good Raider-wise. With what RMK has to deal with, I think he’s kickin a$$.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Agreed! I just hope that our staff gets the best out of these guys!!! But, I will stay positive!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Kool-Aid good!!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I cant wait to see what Bartell can bring to the table. When healthy he will dominate. Known for keeping Fitz in check hope he can contribute better than routt. And speaking of routt i cant wait to see Ford or Moore burn him when we play KC. The refs better get their flags ready because they will be used Alot. Once the ref see Moore on Routt he should put his hand on his flag and get ready to throw it
April 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Kinda tough to start when osi and tuck are in front in the depth chart dont u think, genius?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Kirk Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Exactly what I was thinking. 5 sacks in 2 starts looks pretty good to me.
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Ah the bliss of the simple-minded.
5 sacks in a 5yr career, 2 games started, ok?
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The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kind of league. Last season, he started 2 games. Last season he had a career-high 5 sacks. That’s not bad for someone Reggie picked up for depth.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Yep, mighty fine work Mr. Reggie Mac. Good signing and great depth. Thank you Mr. Cork for the update. We are getting stronger. I still am baffled how my Raiders will handle martian head Peyton Manning. Remains to be seen.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Reggie is doing a very good job sheding salary and still coming up with decent players.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
We will handle Payton with an old Al Davis adage:
The quarterback must go down and he must go down hard! No bounties, just hard hitting football!
April 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Check out the brain on 38C.. good point.
April 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Try to dat plunk and 38c! By the way is that you’re bra size bro?
April 6th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
martian head Peyton Manning
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ha
April 6th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
arkraider Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
We will handle Payton with an old Al Davis adage:
The quarterback must go down and he must go down hard! No bounties, just hard hitting football!
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I hope so Ark but will they be able to catch Manning?
April 6th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
C’mon Reggie, bring us a better FS. Deliver us from Huff baby.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
After the Superbowl, Tollefson was a guy that got interviewed extensively on all the NY sports channels and network affiliates. They seemed to think he WAS a team leader and very integral to the defense’s success. So, whether he started doesn’t seem as vital as what he brings when he does get in. Jacoby Ford doesn’t start but he’s pretty important.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Tru goldie he does get rid of it quickly, but I’ve seen games where martian head gets happy feet after a couple of hits, so it can be done but it is a supreme challenge
April 6th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
I think Manning’s comeback may not be that electrifying, especially if we can catch him early in the season.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
No its your moms bra size lol.
Look none of us can truly judge tollefson because no one has seen him play over the course of a season.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I’m enjoying the troll-free banter… (I’ll now knock on wood)
April 6th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Look none of us can truly judge tollefson because no one has seen him play over the course of a season.
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I agree with you though, that this guy has been part of arguably the best Dline in recent memory.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Nah my moms was 38 double d, god rest her soul. Just kidding with ya its just the first thought that popped into my head, I guess that makes me a dirty old man! Ha ha
April 6th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
The greatest thing about Reggie… NOBODY is on scholarship, except Seymour.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
God rest my moms soul to bro.
But yes tollefson has been part of a 2 time superbowl winning rotation, i like the move(:
April 6th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Yeah watch out plunk, next thing you know here comes Sully for another meltdown!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
38Cs Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
No its your moms bra size lol.
Look none of us can truly judge tollefson because no one has seen him play over the course of a season.
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Speak for yourself breh
April 6th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I agree 38c, good move by Reggie! Maybe not a full time starter, but who knows at this point. At least he will be a good rotational d-liner!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
It’s possible RMR/Sully/The Sockpuppet Army has been banned from the computer in the basement because Mom thinks he got a lil too worked up last night
April 6th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Keep plugging away big Reg! Getting players that we need to fit into the coaches’ scheme. Draft day should be interesting .
April 6th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
CESPEDES is a beast .. that baby was gone.. damn we got a player
April 6th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
If we could only be so lucky plunk! I’m pretty accepting of all types of folks but something about him really drives me nuts!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
good news… no 3-4….
April 6th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Sadly, its all he has..
April 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
anyway.. I’m out.. Fri nite beckons.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I wouldn’t say no 3-4, it just look likes it won’t be our base defense, but we will see it some, remember DA stressed multiple fronts no more vanilla defenses!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
As long as we stop giving up 99 yard drives with 2 minutes left I don’t care what defense we’re in!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Gotta hand it to McKenzie. He gets the players that he targets. Just better translate into wins.
April 6th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Exactly, first was the 98 yard drive that did us in and then as if that wasn’t bad enough we had the 99 and halter that did us in for good! Un Fricken Believable!!!!! Fortunately those days are gone! Cross fingers, salt over the shoulder, knock on wood!!
Me paranoid? Nah!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
99 an halfer – not halter
April 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Downsouthraider Says: April 6th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
As long as we stop giving up 99 yard drives with 2 minutes left I don’t care what defense we’re in!
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Amen brother!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
CODE BLACK
April 6th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
With sirens an flashing lights!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Where down south? An don’t say LA!ha ha, me I’m a Razorback through and through!
April 6th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I don’t have the feeling we’re changing to a base 3-4 defense. I feel like we’re going to be a 4-3 with many other looks.
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I agree. And it is what we have been doing for the last few years believe it or not.
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Unfortunately, what we have been doing for the last few years have been utter crap. A lot of Colts could tackle, because they were cover-2 guys (Phillip Wheeler being one of them). They need Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, James Harrison a number of people that put a true smackdown on defense.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
38Cs Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Downsouthraider Says: April 6th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
As long as we stop giving up 99 yard drives with 2 minutes left I don’t care what defense we’re in!
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Amen brother!
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i second that! AMEN!!!!!!!
April 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Youll see 3 men fronts on 3rd & forever. Or when we have a big lead.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RaidO Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaidO Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
“locker room leader”??
A career backup 2nd stringer? I don’t think so.
Stop the overrating.
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So Tollefson isn’t a locker room leader because he doesn’t start, but Cartright was because…he didn’t start?
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Nothing about this guys says leader. You are just making stuff up.
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Two World Championship rings says “leader” to me. Basically we switched Tollefson as a situational pass rusher for Wimbley as a situational pass rusher. Both had similar pass rush stats the last year. But Tollefson comes with world championship hardware. And at 75% discount.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Tollefsen should be an upgrade over Scott and moss. Although I thought Scott was going to be a big part of our defense a couple years ago but. After that injury he was just never the same. As for Jarvis moss I don’t see why so many people want him back.. Semi average at best
April 6th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
This is something new. A FA coming to Oakland not as a last resort opportunity or as a gigantic cash cow opportunity. To top it off, Oakland was one of 4 teams in the running and he picked us over the World Champion Giants. Reggie must have a silver tongue. Things have really changed in Oakland. Getting the player we wanted and not paying a king’s ransom to get him. We probably weren’t even the highest $ bidder – amazing! Things are definitely looking up.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Yeah you right JB! Yeah you right! Things are looking up indeed!
April 6th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Yeah! A Friday nite without Sully! Oh joy! Moms must’ve grounded him!!
April 6th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Spot On JB, was basically typing hte same thing when i read your post…
great to see guys come here to play instead of getting paid…new day for sure.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Welcome back! Now go out and take someone’s head off! Oh yeah can’t say that stuff anymore.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Bynum might like a few shots tonite..
April 6th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
It seems to me that with all the changes, additions & subtractions that have transpired this off season that the AFC-West has gone from a joke to a possible AFC power division. From a QB status alone, who is got better than PManning, CPalmer, PRivers & MCasell?
April 6th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
It’s ok to say, joker. We’re just fans, heck we could start our own fan based bounty system, I got 10 bucks! What could Goodell do? Not much if anything at all! Whatcha think fellas ? Who’s in?
April 6th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
good point JB. gonna be exciting and division games(wins) are gonna hard to get and coveted
April 6th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Why does mike brown breathe always through an open mouth?
April 6th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Another blue collar value FA. Good job RM. Welcome to the rotation.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Bynum might like a few shots tonite..
——————————– Hell I might like a few shots tonight too.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Might have chronic sinus problems.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I wouldn’t say we replaced Wimbley with Tollefson, but we did replace Scott & Moss. He is a backup DE.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
So it’s $2.5 million for 2 years?
April 6th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Wimbley had 7 sacks the whole season and the pundits think we’re toast cuzwe lost his production.
Tollefsen had 5.
2 more sacks and we replaced Wimbley.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
O Mock Draft 3.0:
3- OLB: Mychal Kendricks, Sean Spence, or Bruce Irvin.
4- NT: N J Baptiste, Hebron Fangupo, or Akiem Hicks.
5- CB: Coryell Judie, Aso Jackson, or Chris Greenwood.
5- DE/ OLB: Cordarro Law
6- FS: J Jackson
April 6th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I also foresee Raiders DLine starting
Bryant LDE, Houston LDT, Seymour RDT, Shaughnessy RDE;
Tollefson, Brodine, and Kelly, as well as rookie NT for back ups.
Which means Kelly will need to renegotiate as Curry did or he’ll be cut and resigned as Carlisle was.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
As to “Mr. Meltdown” if u wanna see something really funny, just ignore every post he makes.
You’ll be tempted to respond. He’s an expert at finding the most ridiculous thing to say that will anger people and he does it just to get a reaction.
He’s the type of guy that would go on a jewish blog and say “Hitler was right PERIOD.”
In fact he probably does do that.
I got fooled into thinking he was becoming someone u could almost have a decent discourse with, or that I could read his posts without cringing but that was short lived.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Tollefson had 5 sacks in 5 seasons!! Let’s not start comparing a 7th round pick backup DE to 1st round pick, a guy who had 7 sacks last season, and is a starter in this league.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
142.Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Tollefson had 5 sacks in 5 seasons!! Let’s not start comparing a 7th round pick backup DE to 1st round pick, a guy who had 7 sacks last season, and is a starter in this league.
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Too late. I already did.
But seriously, I thought he had 5 sacks LAST YEAR alone. I didn’t realize it was 5 sacks in 5 seasons.
My bad.
I was being facetious anyway.
April 6th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
You can still jack up an opponent, you just can’t get extra side pay for it.
Great signing Reggie, way to bring Tollefson back to the Raider Nation of the U.S.A.!
April 6th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
He did have 5 sacks last season, and 10 total in 5 years.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
DJ,
My mistake. I should have sad 10 sacks in 5 seasons.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
DJ,
My mistake. I should have said 10 sacks in 5 seasons.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Yo, just chillin’ in the Lexus luxury box at Staples gettin’ my internet on while the Lakers get wiggity!
Broadband in the house, y’all
Yo, came up with this amazing new catch phrase “Rockets? More like Sprockets”. Because they’re gay like the dudes on that SNL skit, get it?
So I busted out these lyrics while this babe was giving me a tight hand jiggity. Cut a hole at the bottom of her popcorn box for a meaty surprise, you know what time it is
Partyin’ at Staples, gotta drop a log
What’s that in your pop corn, babe, a Beeech Hot Dog?
Yo ho, give it a massage – did I stutter?
And don’t worry, it’ll give you a shot of tasty hot butter
The above awesome rap it basically all about my weiner, FYI
April 6th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Our undisciplined players are going to have to start playing with more discipline… because we certainly haven’t gotten any more talented..
April 6th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I’m happy to see we got Tollefsen for the fact it was the only little cliffhanger we had going.
Is he gonna go to Tenn.? Can Reggie reel in this guy?
Shows how slow it’s been when we’re waiting to see if we can get a backup defensive player as if were waiting for the final results of the Florida voting.
WE WIN!
April 6th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
148 we’re gonna loose..
April 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Thanks O.
That’s 2 sacks a season?
Well, it’s something I guess.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Beecham,
Watch out for that popcorn salt. It could be painful.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
5 last year, .5 in 2010, 1 in 2009, 3.5 in 2008, and none 0 in 2007.
An avg of 2 sacks per season.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Ok, so 5 sacks last yr. is pretty good when u compare it to a ridiculously high paid starter like Wimbley.
The “experts” say that’s Wimbley’s thing…the sacks and rushing the passer.
I guess Wimbley rates high though in ALMOST sacking the QB or something? That he somehow affects things even if he doesn’t make the sack?
April 6th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Beecham,
Watch out for that popcorn salt. It could be painful.
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Yo DJ, you know I thought of that
After my happy ending, I poured a liter of Dr. Pepper on my nob to cool the burn
The shorty barely got her hand out in time, but I guess that’s why they call it the blues
April 6th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Hey mike brown! The 7 footers need at least 30 shots a game! Wakey fking wakey azhole!
April 6th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
It’s a good move since we only have 1 DE on the roster with some experience. Bryant is a DT who played DE last year due to Shaughnessy’s injury, Houston is playing out of position IMHO, and Brodine and Davis are inexperienced and not a lock to make the 53 roster.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
# 156,
Good. I’m glad to hear that. You know how I worry.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
What a lazy stupid game..
April 6th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
A lot people including myself think Wimbley wasn’t used right by Chucky last year. The guy should never drop & cover, and he was asked to do a lot more than just rush the passer.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Can anybody post a link where Tollesfon has 10 sacks?
April 6th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Btw, Wimbley has 42.5 sacks in 6 seasons.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
http://www.nfl.com/player/davetollefson/2506998/profile
April 6th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Thanks Raider O
My apologies Kirk.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Remember when we traded for wimbley, the response was omg they gave a 3rd for him..?cleveland wasn’t upset the least with that 3rd. Then we pay him fat and it’s omg he got what? Now he’s cut and yet again espn says woah woah what are they doing??
Gotta love being a raiders fan.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
You are welcome KK. The guy is a backup DE, and we signed him to replace guys like Scott, Moss, and Groves.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
148 we’re gonna loose..
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Yeah, cuz Bynum punked out
I’ll probably see him at the ESPN Zone after party, will do the “dip his hand in warm water so he pees his pants” trick
That always calms a big ego, word
April 6th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
#166,
That is so true.
ESPN are such diks.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Can anybody post a link where Tollesfon has 10 sacks?
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Post a link! Another KrappyKell classic!
Old fool, what would you do without your precious links?
April 6th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I think Reggie was sincere when he said he wanted to keep Wimbley, but Wimbley did the best thing for him. He signed with a good team, signed a big contract, and we paid/ will pay him $6.5 million this season.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Jeez us Christ, Dumb Beech, you still here?
April 6th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
167.Raider O Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
You are welcome KK. The guy is a backup DE, and we signed him to replace guys like Scott, Moss, and Groves.
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I hope that isn’t Reggies intent and he has bigger plans for filling the void left by those guys.
42.5 sacks in 6 yrs.?
Yeah, there’s no sense in trying to compare Tollefsen with Wimbley.
5 sacks last yr. isn’t too bad tho.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I think we can win the West, but this team is not ready to be a SB contender. We need better CBs and better pass rushers. Our offense can use a good RT, vet WR, and a big RB.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Will someone give Krappy a link before he tears through another Pamper?
A link! Any link!
April 6th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
DJ,
He can be a backup DE and a nickel pass rusher, but I still think we should add another DE in the draft. You can never have enough pass rushers and CBs.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Beecham,
I think a good song title for “2Kewl4Skool” is:
“Go ahead..expel me. I don’t care”.
or…
“I’m not tardy, you’re just early beyotch”.
or…
“Good grades are for losers”.
just some thoughts.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
2012 Games:
Chargers – win
Chargers – lose
Chiefs – win
Chiefs – lose
Denver – win
Denver – lose
Steelers – win
Jaguars – win
Browns – win
Saints – lose
Bucs – win
Panthers – lose
Falcons – win
Bengals – win
Dolphins -win
Ravens – lose
Raiders 10-6
April 6th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
#176,
Yes. We need more pass rushers for sure, but as you mentioned CB’s…I worry about that position alot.
Even with a healthy Bartell.
BTW, if Bartell plays like he did before the injury…it is a real nice coup, but alot of uncertainty with the DB’s in general.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Beecham,
I also like “F School..I’m a fool”.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Beecham,
I think a good song title for “2Kewl4Skool” is:
“Go ahead..expel me. I don’t care”.
or…
“I’m not tardy, you’re just early beyotch”.
or…
“Good grades are for losers”.
just some thoughts.
——————–
These are obviously excellent suggestions, I’ve got a writing session tomorrow with the Certified Platinum Posse and I’ll freestyle some of these over the hot tub jets
Peace, Out
April 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
178,
I think we can beat the Panthers, but I’m not sure about beating the Steelers. They have a better team.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Beeeech, No party tonite?
April 6th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
178,
I think we can beat the Panthers, but I’m not sure about beating the Steelers. They have a better team.
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Yeah…darn it.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
[...] year-old Tolleson’s deal was first reported by Steve Corkran of the Bay Area News Group, who said that, while the contract itself hasn’t been formalized, details are being ironed out that [...]
April 6th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
DJ,
We have a young (other than QB) good core IMO, but we need to add a few more players. It’s hard when you don’t have cap space and draft picks. I think we will be a SB contender soon, and I trust Reggie to make this team more talented than the Ravens, Steelers, and Packers. I don’t think the Giants and Pats are very talented, but I do think they are well coached. They also have elite QBs.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
should be a useful player, good budget signing by new Reggime
still wonder if we don’t need a run stuffer DT/NT to stabilize defensive front and hopefully get more production out of our other defensive players
April 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I think we still need to add an OLB, NT, DE, and depth.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
And CB. I’m not sold on our CBs. Spencer was benched last season, and Bartell didn’t play due to serious neck injury. The other CBs are young and inexperienced.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Nice solid DEPTH signing. Grunden-ish. Coming from the 4-3 Giants, it looks like the Raiders will be 4-3 for at least one more year.
If they were switching to the 3-4 we would be picking up 3-4 players for depth.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Beeecham, that’s a fantasy. Wrecks n Effectz was a famous hip-hop group in the early 90’s. How can you name a CD after that without being sued for copyright and shut down by the courts?? 2Kewl4Skool has been so used up there a whole bunch of guys who have that one copywrited. A CD using these names wouldn’t get out of the package.
There are no hip hoppers staying long term in the penthouse of the Ritz. My friend works there.
Beeecham is a fun fantasy, but I don’t believe it at all.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Am i simply biased as a fan or does national media truly hate on us bc its popular? Heres the off-season by my calculations.
1)- routt$$$$
+ Bartell$, Spencer$
2)- moss
+tollefson
3)- B. Campbell
+ Brisiel
4)-wimbley$$$$
+wheeler$
5)-Campbell(backup)
+ TBD
6)-Bush
+Woodson
7)-Boss$$
+Ausberry & Meyers
Only step down is bush to woodson, and it may end up being a step up once he hits the field. McKenzie has blown me away with what he has been able to do given the circumstances. Al would have stood pat, re-upped bush and moss for $$$ and changed nothing in scheme lol. i dont expect playoffs this year, but wouldnt be completely shocked if we squeek in. thoughts gentlemen?
April 7th, 2012 at 12:02 am
And btw, put me down for Vontaze Burfict at #95 in the draft.
Not sure id make the pick, but reggie has shown he has shanks. Already signed underwood who has a cloudy background, and if he trusts Allen & Tarver as he should, they should get all that potential out of him.
See Egnew TE from MO as a sleeper also. would like that pick
April 7th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Vontaze Burfict bombed on Pro Day and you still want him ?? He seems “out there” to me.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Chapman at 95 for me.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:34 am
fact is he began the year as a stud 1st round lb. not saying i want him, but i kinda see it. reggie is a lb, he knows raider way of old. mean tough etc. if we were told we’d draft him in the 3rd last september i woulda been pumped. but hey idk he does seem like a head case
April 7th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Code black x1
April 7th, 2012 at 2:46 am
Aaron Wilson
Also In Baltimore Ravens
Christian Thompson has been scheduled for several visits and workouts with NFL teams. He met with the Oakland Raiders at the NFL scouting combine. Scout: How’s the draft process going? Thompson: “I’m taking it in stride and enjoying every moment of it. I’ve been getting good feedback from teams. Everything has been looking up. I don’t know what round I’ll go in, but whatever happens I’m going to work hard and be happy.”
Aaron Wilson
Also In Baltimore Ravens
As South Carolina State safety Christian Thompson continues to prepare for the NFL draft, he’s had an excellent role model to advise him: Baltimore Ravens Pro Bowl free safety Ed Reed. The former NFL Defensive Player of the Year has been offering guidance and tips to Thompson about what to expect as he makes the transition to the NFL. The 6-foot, 211-pounder is graded as the fifth-ranked free safety. Thompson has run the 40-yard dash in 4.50 seconds, bench pressing 225 pounds 18 times.
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Don’t be surprised if the Raiders target a safety. They also met with DeQuan Menzie at the Senior Bowl, and have a visit lined up with Iowa’s Jordan Bernstine.
April 7th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Raiders, Tollefson reach agreement on contract The Raiders agreed in principal to a contract with veteran defensive lineman Dave Tollefson on Friday afternoon, Bay Area News Group has learned. Details of the contract are being finalized. A source close to the situation said Tollefson’s sign… [...]
April 7th, 2012 at 3:29 am
[...] Oakland Tribune Share this: Cancel [...]
April 7th, 2012 at 3:50 am
Rihanna dons Silver and Black gear- I just became a fan.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/rihanna-takes-a-ride-in-a-helicopter-in-japan-783190
April 7th, 2012 at 3:55 am
Guy Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Chapman at 95 for me.
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Agreed. Chapman has the ability to play either 0-technique (if we go 3-4) or 1-technique (if we stay 4-3). We don’t currently have anyone (save maybe Travis Ivey) like that.
April 7th, 2012 at 4:44 am
Ive been reading these blogs for a couple years now thought i would finally chime in Raiders r finally acting like a functional oorganization its nice to c.Any 1 out there here what they gonna do about a backup qb this has been a very good off season hopefully they keep it going also put me in for 95th pick chapman alabama
April 7th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Former Raiders’ D-coordinator Rob Ryan loved Tollefson and absolutely hated losing him to Giants.
April 7th, 2012 at 5:28 am
Barksdale tweeted that he needed to make some friends in Oakland. I suggested he check out this blog. I’m sure some of you locals would hang out with him.
April 7th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Not sold on spencer as CB but any word on Pat Lee? Anybody know if hes good or not?
April 7th, 2012 at 6:05 am
I can’t see Burfict going in the first 150 picks.
But I would take him in the 6th round if he is there.
He completely flopped this year, not just at the combine, but all season. Getting suspended, refusing to re-enter games, smiling and whopping it up for the ESPN camera’s when his team was losing by 30 points, and ultimately getting graded out as the 3rd best LB on his own lousy team.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Any news on who restructured so we could sign tollefson, if anyone had to that is.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Burfict would be a good project. He’s obviously got playmaking ability, as evidenced by his junior year.
But we shouldn’t take him before the 6th. Dude needs some serious humbling, and coming in as a late-rounder might be just the ticket. I remember reading how humbled Bruce Campbell was when he slid to the 4th round. Too bad it didn’t help his play, but at least we got Goodson for him.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:31 am
i wonder where DA is planning on playing Tollefson ,at tackle or end .he got his sacks on the end ,all in one year .he could be monster pass rusher in hiding
April 7th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Tollefson? Thus ends the embarrassment I call the Condo Era.
Don’t bother responding.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:37 am
2012 Games:
Chargers – win
Chargers – win
Chiefs – win
Chiefs – win
Denver – win
Denver – win
Steelers – win
Jaguars – win
Browns – win
Saints – win
Bucs – win
Panthers – win
Falcons – win
Bengals – win
Dolphins -win
Ravens – win
Raiders 16-0
maybe im off bit but you goota think you can every game
April 7th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Now trade the fumbling menace Nancy boy quitter Dmac.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:53 am
And CB. I’m not sold on our CBs. Spencer was benched last season, and Bartell didn’t play due to serious neck injury. The other CBs are young and inexperienced.
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I have to agree O.
I guess it’s a wait and see approach with Bartell, but i’m sure that Reg did his homework before signing him.
I’m not overly excited about this group of CB’s with that b!ch Rivers and Manning in our division.
I am glad though that the one man penalty machine was sent packing to the Cheifs. He would irritate the F out of me watching him maul wr’s clearly passed the los.
April 7th, 2012 at 7:04 am
you know what i cant stand is the guys that call the games every weekend its always the same thing .who ever is playing the team that is ahead when ever they make a play its always “he’s one of the best if not the best at his position “no matter who’s playing .and the team losing is one of the worst in the league ,until they start to come back .then they are one of the better teams at coming back .and the other team is one of the worst at protecting a lead .dont bother responding
April 7th, 2012 at 7:23 am
DE Dave Tollefson’s deal with the Raiders is for two years and $2.5 million.
It includes $1.5 million guaranteed. It’s reserve money for a player who will serve as the Raiders’ fifth or sixth defensive lineman. Despite his five-sack 2011, Tollefson won’t be worth monitoring in IDP leagues.
-Rotoworld
April 7th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Good morning Raider O!
Hey, regarding you’re post about ChuckB’s (mis) use of Wimbley; this is one of the few times I can honestly say that it wasn’t his fault. Yes, he did call some really dumb defenses with Wimbley in the game, and Wimbley should have never been slotted as a 3-down OLB, but our linebacker depth last year was atrocious. Wimbley is a tweener that should be used as a situational pass rusher. It’s unfortunate that he played the wrong role in Oakland, but we really didn’t have an alternative.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Drafting Burfict, even if you got him in the 6th round, you have to remember you’d be teaming him up alongside the other headcase, Rolando McClain. Having each other as teammates, bad influence on each other
April 7th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Good morning ET.
You are right. Goethel was injured again, and Groves is not an OLB in 4-3 scheme. I’m glad we traded for Curry. Bad roster management IMHO like releasing Sterling Moore.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I don’t mind signing Burfict as a URFA, but I will not waste a draft pick on him.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Preppie,
Are you going to teach me, or were you just bragging like a typical preppie.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:52 am
You guys here about the bicycler who hit the old man in San Francisco. What’s your take? It sounds like both were to blame. I see pedestrians walking before they have cross sign all the time. Herd mentality probably got this old man killed.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:53 am
My issue with Burfict is actually more on the field than off it.
He sucked last year. Was not good at all, and was gameplanned FOR, not against.
Teams routinely exploited him last year, whether it be in coverage, running running plays right at him, and baiting him into personal fouls.
Quite frankly, I don’t even think he is any good in the first place. Just very intense with good size.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Burfict reminds me of Andy Katzenmoyer, if people remember that name.
Tons of acclaim coming into school, better as a sophmore than as a junior, and famous more for big hits and a crazy personality, more so than actually being a solid LB.
Katzenmoyer was taken in the first round, and was out of the league in about 3 years.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:58 am
And I see the forums are busted again this morning.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Burfict reminds me of Andy Katzenmoyer, if people remember that name.
Tons of acclaim coming into school, better as a sophmore than as a junior, and famous more for big hits and a crazy personality, more so than actually being a solid LB.
Katzenmoyer was taken in the first round, and was out of the league in about 3 years.
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I do remember the media slobbering all over that guy. He hits the NFL, and…nothing.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Don’t you guys think Burfict’s off-field attitude/problems is therefore affective his on-field play?
April 7th, 2012 at 9:03 am
I’m sure the off-field stuff didn’t help, but plenty of players came into the NFL with some off-field baggage and turned it around.
Only difference, is that most of those guys dominated in college. Contrary to popular belief and youtube clips, Burfict never even came close to doing so.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Come to think of, JFB also just described Brian Bosworth, too.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am
But if The Reggie thinks he is worth a look in the later rounds, I am on board with it.
I am sure he could be better than Aaron Curry.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I see Burfict being drafted by Rex Ryan for sure anyway. 4th or 5th round. Just like he was keen to give Gholston and then Maybin a chance.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:10 am
The guy wasn’t even honorable mention Pac-12 team this year.
That is pretty alarming, with so much riding on the line this season for him draft and really life-wise.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Then there was Burfict’s preseason fight in the locker room with a teammate:
He did accept blame, sort of, for punching a teammate in the locker room, an incident that carried over from the practice field, he said.
“It started in seven-on-seven and he ran a route and hit me, and we’re not supposed to hit each other in seven-on-seven,” he said. “We had an argument, and we brought it into the locker room. We started chattering about it, he started rough-housing me. He pushed me, and my first instinct was to swing, and everyone thinks I’m the bad guy because my first instinct was to swing on the guy.”
Burfict belted receiver Kevin Ozier. Burfict is 6-foot-3, 252 (though he admits he played at 260 pounds last season) and a superstar. Ozier is 6-foot, 200. He’s a former walk-on. And Burfict’s initial point of contention is getting bumped by a 200 pounder during a drill?
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From a link on his draft status in an Arizona paper.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Vegas,
The Ohio State university LB!
April 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
It’s hard to imagine how people in a good position to lift-off their lives with a multi-million dollar sports contract can blow it away before then. But I can see how some people are just wired differently where football is taken as ’seriously’ as many other things going on in their lives, they just don’t see it as the be-all, singular focus, like it is to say a peyton manning.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Vegas,
Make sure you tell the entire story. He had a lot of Injurues too.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:23 am
5 things I like better than sex:
1) A Raiders playoff victory
2) A Raiders regular season victory
3) Christopher Nolan movies
4) A good nights sleep.
5) Coffee
April 7th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Code black2
April 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Mark Clemens Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 9:23 am
5 things I like better than sex:
1) A Raiders playoff victory
2) A Raiders regular season victory
3) Christopher Nolan movies
4) A good nights sleep.
5) Coffee
– lol
April 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am
“Code Black” is part of the old regime. The new motto is “It’s all good!”
April 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Some pretty nice comments on PFT from Giants fans. Wishing Tollefson good luck and thought he should have gotten more playing time.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:51 am
imaquaman Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 6:37 am
2012 Games:
Chargers – win
Chargers – win
Chiefs – win
Chiefs – win
Denver – win
Denver – win
Steelers – win
Jaguars – win
Browns – win
Saints – win
Bucs – win
Panthers – win
Falcons – win
Bengals – win
Dolphins -win
Ravens – win
Raiders 16-0
maybe im off bit but you goota think you can every game
****************************************************
Oh yeah. If u cant think u can win or believe u can win, then go home. Raidahs 16-0 baby.
Code Black
The new Silver and Black
Bring on the attack
Raidah football is back
You go ReggieMac
Cut them hos’ no slack
16-0 is good whack
Raidah Raidah smack
April 7th, 2012 at 9:57 am
dr ice 2012 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 4:44 am
Ive been reading these blogs for a couple years now thought i would finally chime in Raiders r finally acting like a functional oorganization its nice to c.Any 1 out there here what they gonna do about a backup qb this has been a very good off season hopefully they keep it going also put me in for 95th pick chapman alabama
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Welcome aboard. Just keep on keepin on and never take anything personally in here. Its a different kind of beast in this blog-o-sphere but if u love the Raidahs, u r in the right place. I think u will here of a Lienhart signing soon.
April 7th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Masha, are you of South East Asian descent?
April 7th, 2012 at 10:02 am
JMOSS @MoSSwag94 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Denver Flight
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Jarvis Moss going back to the Donks?
April 7th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Mark Clemens Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Masha, are you of South East Asian descent?
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Northern Wispatachian with a little western Cromanistachian. Parents from Scrabamistichranto while in hiding from northern Harmonististic invasions from the south. Grew up on the Island of Plesbawannahoo tho I attended USC for while, dropped out and had to get a job. Was a vendor at Raidah games for years til I had to go back and fight in the Strashahantahanmixa war. But I’m back now.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Hey,looks like the viqueens would consider trading 3rd overall…..how about a package deal with DMC – Tommy Kelly – a future 1st or 2nd rounder (2014),or something on these lines,then go and draft Trent Richardson….? Make it happen,Reg….!
April 7th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Masha, sounds like you have had quite a life. Is it true what they say about girls from Plesbawannahoo?
April 7th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Torto34 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Hey,looks like the viqueens would consider trading 3rd overall…..how about a package deal with DMC – Tommy Kelly – a future 1st or 2nd rounder (2014),or something on these lines,then go and draft Trent Richardson….? Make it happen,Reg….!
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That’s a lot to give up for a guy who may or may not even be as good as DMAC, never mind better.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Masha Puddongo,
I will say you are good on the fly – very fertile imagination, like Beeecham. Too bad there are no such places as Wispatachian, Cromanistachian, and Strashahantahanmixa .
April 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Mark Clemens Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Masha, sounds like you have had quite a life. Is it true what they say about girls from Plesbawannahoo?
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If they say they are clean and beautiful and still have all their teeth, then yes, it’s true.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I would rather have DMac and draft a RB next year if he can’t stay healthy.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:15 am
If I was going to trade into the top ten, nevermind the package it took to make that happen, it sure as hell wouldn’t be for a running back.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Code black.. Code black
April 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Plus Doug Martin and Lamar Miller project better into zone blocking schemes.
Doug Martin reminds me a lot of Matt Forte and Ray Rice. If the kid can stay healthy, he’ll be a superstar within a year.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Tollefsen is a solid signing…..not earth shattering , but good…..
We’re going in the the right direction…
April 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am
To me, the only running backs worth paying a premium for are ones who do everything – and are constantly productive and healthy. Forte, Rice, MJD, Fred Jackson… other than those guys? To me, RBs are “plug and play”.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:24 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:15 am
If I was going to trade into the top ten, nevermind the package it took to make that happen, it sure as hell wouldn’t be for a running back.
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Yeah kinda ridiculous to even think about trading star RB , a good player n draft picks to draft a Rb
April 7th, 2012 at 10:26 am
If Bo Jackson was In the draft then I would trade dmac but not for Trent Richardson he’ll to the fukin no
April 7th, 2012 at 10:27 am
For some reason I don’t see Reggie trading away too many future high round draft picks.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Just Win Baby Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:27 am
For some reason I don’t see Reggie trading away too many future high round draft picks.
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Me either, unless he’s trading down within the same draft to get more picks.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Right on Mcfadden20! Don’t listen to the hateful. Code Black! All day an night!!
April 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Code black ##
April 7th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Arkraider Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Right on Mcfadden20! Don’t listen to the hateful. Code Black! All day an night!!
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You got that right
April 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Try being original instead of using a slogan from a terrible season.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:31 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Just Win Baby Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:27 am
For some reason I don’t see Reggie trading away too many future high round draft picks.
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Me either, unless he’s trading down within the same draft
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Yeah that would b nice if we could have 10 picks n few undrafted players, in a few years
April 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I want most of our players to be drafted by Raiders n Retire as Raiders
April 7th, 2012 at 10:34 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 10:15 am
If I was going to trade into the top ten, nevermind the package it took to make that happen, it sure as hell wouldn’t be for a running back.
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Yeah kinda ridiculous to even think about trading star RB , a good player n draft picks to draft a Rb
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never mind,was expecting this reaction….lol….just wanted to piss you a little bit!
April 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
By the way,I’m an italian american football player,did you know about Avezzano’s stroke,right…? He was here coaching the Seamen.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:43 am
#247
You’re out of your f-ing mind!
April 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I hope we open the season at home — either against Denver, KC, or Pittsburgh — that would be enough to really fire me up!
April 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am
#237
Five things I like better than sex:
1. More sex
2. Sex, while watching replays of Raiders’ Super Bowls vs. Redskins, Eagles or Vikings
3. Sex with a beautiful young lady dressed like a Raiderette
4. Excellent tailgate, game with the Raider Nation, followed by hot sex
5. Lots of Vitamin E (to prepare for more sex)
April 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am
2012 Games:
Chargers – win
Chargers – lose
Chiefs – win
Chiefs – lose
Denver – lose
Denver – lose
Steelers – lose
Jaguars – win
Browns – win
Saints – lose
Bucs – lose
Panthers – lose
Falcons – lose
Bengals – lose
Dolphins -win
Ravens – lose
Raiders 5-11
April 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Why would Minn want McF anyway? They’ve needed o-line help for years, and already have AP… who unless his knee is shot, is about the only RB in the league BETTER than McF.
That would be a crazy bad trade for both teams.
April 7th, 2012 at 10:55 am
#247
You’re out of your f-ing mind!
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Yeah right,lol….I guess so!
April 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am
“Return To Excellence” This is our new motto, I am all in on the Reggie bandwagon. Making all the right moves so far. We are gonna be a big surprise to a lot of folks and it’s about time. 10 yrs of sucking is enough.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Was just reading up on Raiders W/R coach Ted Gillmore.
Even though he has no NFL experience his resume is pretty impressive. I think he will be a HUGE upgrade over Sanjay.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Raiders for life Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Was just reading up on Raiders W/R coach Ted Gillmore.
Even though he has no NFL experience his resume is pretty impressive. I think he will be a HUGE upgrade over Sanjay.
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If the Raiders struggle this season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them pick Robert Woods in the first round next season. Gilmore did an amazing job with that kid. Woods always had a lot of potential, but didn’t live up to it until 2011.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
YA,
I’m getting pretty excited about the new coaching staff. Even the Knapp/Saunders combo could be interesting. I haven’t read up the QB coach yet, but another HUGE upgrade over last seasons QB coach…LOL!
April 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Sapp earns 115k a month and is going broke. People should discount anything this idiot says as hogwash simply because the evidence supporting his stupidity is so strong.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I think Knapp could be exactly what Palmer needs. Knapp’s rush-based offense will help set up the deep pass, which Palmer loves – but I think it will also help him cut down on his picks. Accuracy isn’t his problem – it’s his penchant for taking unnecessary risks. More short and intermediate timing routes will help get the most out of the talent on the roster, and play into Palmer’s strengths while giving him fewer opportunities to make high-risk throws.
Of course, this is all theoretical. But I think there’s a good chance Palmer has a VERY good 2012 campaign. Now, that isn’t to say the Raiders are surely playoff bound. But I think under Greg Knapp, Palmer is absolutely capable of putting up Matt Schaub/Jay Cutler-like numbers. Could very well be a top ten QB this season.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am
#280
Burned my personalized Sapp jeresy back in 2010!
April 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
#281 – Carson Palmer’s best seasons did come when he had Corey Dillon is his prime running out of the backfield. You may have a valid point.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Raiders signing Tollefson now official.
April 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
With a full training camp and potentially improved offensive line play (plus a bevy of healthy (?) young receivers and the return of DMC) it could indeed be a top ten QB rating this season for #3 — I am hopeful.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
95th pick, whos left. Jonathan Massaquoi I guess.
code black ya’ll
April 7th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Raiders signing Tollefson now official
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Glad to hear it.
I don’t know anything about Tollefson but the reaction from Giants fans says alot about his character and playing abilities.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@281
YA, nice take and very encouraging.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
278. Of course there are about a million factors involved, but if the Raiders do happen to end up with a high draft pick I would hope they’d have a shot at Xavier Rhodes, the cornerback from Florida State. He’s likely to go high, but you never know.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Raiders signing Tollefson now official.
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10 sacks in just 2 starts over five years?
Fo really?
April 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Code black[]
April 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
I’m not sure why people are so enamored with getting higher draft picks, even if that means trading a handful of legit starters. Draft picks are the shiny new toys that have the potential to look as good on the field as the do in the shop window, but are otherwise unproven. In reality, very few ever live up to the full expectations put on them, even if they do turn out to be good or even very good. Compared to solid players that you know actually can play year after year in the NFL, it makes little sense to give up too much to chase a dream.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
The great thing about the Tollefson signing is that you need at least 6 good DL to run a 4-3. Having 8 that can play a lot of downs at the NFL level is even better.
If there’s one thing that I thought the Raiders DL lacked in last season it was stamina. How many games started with the front 4 pressure from hell and then saw that tail off by the start of the second half. By the 4th quarter, the DL looked like they were on siesta.
Having multiple quality guys that you can rotate in is key to keeping them all fresher and more impactful. That’s why the loss of Hendu is bigger than people see, because he took a lot of snaps that let Kelly and Seymour rest. When those two tire, the entire DL play drops off noticeably, so having guys that can rotate in the DT mix is a key ingredient to 4th quarter success.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
For what it’s worth, NY Giants fans are wishing Tollefson the best and congratulating us on getting a solid player. And if Gio can be a motivator, so can this guy.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Raidah Flavah Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Raiders signing Tollefson now official.
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10 sacks in just 2 starts over five years?
Fo really?
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Dude 5 sacks last year playing as a situational player , thats
All u need to know.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I know I don’t get paid to scout, read and watch film (youtube clips) on all these Draft prospects, but damn…I love it!
I say by Draft Day I have @ least a good 40-50 hrs. into it!
I’m still not up to par..but will be soon. Another week or two and I’ll be ready!
I better be..or else I won’t get paid! Lol..
April 7th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I don’t think people are saying this guy is as good as Tuck or Osi, but these are the exactly the types of players that we were LACKING last year on defense.
(No depth + Injuries) / ChuckB = Frustrating Losses
April 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Next year’s first round looks stacked, for what it’s worth.
QB Bray
QB Wilson
WR Woods
CB Amerson
CB Mathieu
OLB Montgomery
OLB Mingo
NT Hankins
NT Lotulelei
Plus who knows what players will make a huge leap in 2012.
Of course, best case scenario is the Raiders having to give up their 2013 first rounder because they made the AFC Championship game in 2012.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Zymurge Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
The great thing about the Tollefson signing is that you need at least 6 good DL to run a 4-3. Having 8 that can play a lot of downs at the NFL level is even better.
If there’s one thing that I thought the Raiders DL lacked in last season it was stamina. How many games started with the front 4 pressure from hell and then saw that tail off by the start of the second half. By the 4th quarter, the DL looked like they were on siesta.
Having multiple quality guys that you can rotate in is key to keeping them all fresher and more impactful. That’s why the loss of Hendu is bigger than people see, because he took a lot of snaps that let Kelly and Seymour rest. When those two tire, the entire DL play drops off noticeably, so having guys that can rotate in the DT mix is a key ingredient to 4th quarter success.
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Yup, that’s why those 98 n 99 yard drives happened
April 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Tollefson had five sacks playing part-time, to go along with good solid run defense and special teams play.
Wimbley had three sacks in fifteen games of starting full-time, to go along with lousy run defense and no special teams play.
And Tollefson’s about 1/10 the price.
What’s the downside again???
April 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Exhibit A of the types of players we DO NOT need on the team:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/07/deangelo-hall-wanted-to-race-a-gold-medalist/
April 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Next year’s first round looks stacked, for what it’s worth.
QB Bray
QB Wilson
WR Woods
CB Amerson
CB Mathieu
OLB Montgomery
OLB Mingo
NT Hankins
NT Lotulelei
Plus who knows what players will make a huge leap in 2012.
Of course, best case scenario is the Raiders having to give up their 2013 first rounder because they made the AFC Championship game in 2012.
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I thought that was last year. If we make it to AFC championship game then we’ll give up first instead of 2nd , wasn’t it
April 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Next year’s first round looks stacked, for what it’s worth.
QB Bray
QB Wilson
WR Woods
CB Amerson
CB Mathieu
OLB Montgomery
OLB Mingo
NT Hankins
NT Lotulelei
Plus who knows what players will make a huge leap in 2012.
Of course, best case scenario is the Raiders having to give up their 2013 first rounder because they made the AFC Championship game in 2012.
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I thought that was last year. If we make it to AFC championship game then we’ll give up first instead of 2nd , wasn’t it
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Yup, but you may not notice after BS Jackson commits Seppuku in the stadium parking lot.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I thought that was last year. If we make it to AFC championship game then we’ll give up first instead of 2nd , wasn’t it
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Deal applied to either 2011 or 2012. If they make it to the AFC Championship this season, The Raiders will still have to give up a 2013 1st rounder.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I don’t want to lose first round pick next year , because I don’t want us to wait till 2nd day, n because well be picking so late at 63
April 7th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I thought that was last year. If we make it to AFC championship game then we’ll give up first instead of 2nd , wasn’t it
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Deal applied to either 2011 or 2012. If they make it to the AFC Championship this season, The Raiders will still have to give up a 2013 1st rounder.
– so that’s 2 1st for Carson , great
April 7th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
– so that’s 2 1st for Carson , great
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If he takes us to within a game of the Super Bowl, I doubt we’ll mind the extra pick.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
It doesn’t matter though we’ll still have more picks next year , than this year.. Plus we’ll be loaded anyways
April 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
But hey, I’d give up two first round picks any day of the week if it means the Raiders have a QB who can get them to the AFC Championship game. Players like that aren’t easy to find, even WITH two first-round picks.
Worst case scenario, Palmer falls short and the Raiders have a 1st rounder in 2013 to use on Tyler Bray or whoever they think might be their “QB of the future”.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
– so that’s 2 1st for Carson , great
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If he takes us to within a game of the Super Bowl, I doubt we’ll mind the extra pick.
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Yup not all I would trade all my next 10 years firsts to go to AFC championship games n win atleast 6 superbowls
April 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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Carson is elite , only guy who had problem with him was Mistic ,but that’s because he had a man crush on mouth breather
April 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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The only ones on this blog who regularly bash Palmer are BSJ and Method (who are complete Raider-haters), RMR (who just likes trolling), and RaiderDebo (who’s waiting with baited breath for the JaMarcus Russell bidding war to start, which should tell you everything you need to know about his football intelligence).
April 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Code black power
April 7th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Duck,I’m always reading negative comments about Palmer on here and not just from those you mentioned.It might be less than I believe though.Maybe they just stick out to me more because I don’t understand the bashing.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Dennis Allen joined 95.7 The Game in San Francisco with The Wheelhouse with John Lund to discuss his reaction to the leaked Gregg Williams audio from the 2012 playoffs, keeping in touch with Gregg Williams recently, what Gregg Williams is thinking right now with his suspension in the New Orleans Saints bounty scandal, his method of motivating players and the biggest challenge he’s encountered so far in being a head coach.
You worked under Gregg Williams for some time. What is your reaction to the leaked audio that has come out from the playoff game against the San Francisco 49ers?
“Well I really don’t have a reaction to it. I haven’t heard the audio. I heard there is some stuff out there, but I really have been working this morning trying to get through the off-season program and really focusing in on trying to get our team ready.”
Have you spoken to Gregg Williams in the last couple of months at all?
“I have not.”
What do you think Gregg Williams thoughts are right now with his suspension?
“I’d hate to try to speak for him because I don’t really exactly know what he is thinking. Obviously I know what I saw that came out in the media of him and expressing his remorse for the things that went on and I am sure he feels that way.”
How do you motivate players in light of this whole bounty scandal?
“I think you gotta find out what it is that does motivates them. A lot of guys are motivated by those pre-game speeches. Some guys are motivated by incentives and I am not talking about incentive programs, but I am talking about the money that is in their contract. You gotta find out what are the things that motivate them. Is it their families that motivate them? Find out the things that are important to them and try to motivate them that way.”
As a new head coach what is the biggest thing you have learned so far?
“Well the biggest thing I’ve learned so far is there are a lot of responsibilities that goes onto the head coach. There’s a lot of things that come up on a daily basis whether it be dealing with players, whether it be dealing with the administration, whether it be dealing with the media, whether it be dealing with any aspect like scheduling. There’s just a lot of things that go involved with it and it’s been a challenge. It’s been a lot of fun and I’ve really enjoyed coming to work every day and trying to put this thing together.”
April 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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He’s been part of some bad teams and has often put up an ugly stat line. So that’s definitely part of the reason. Many people think Palmer is a question mark if only because you never know which Carson Palmer will show up.
That’s fair enough, but there’s no denying that he’s the kind of QB who has the talent to take over games – and has done so in the past.
To me, he’s very comparable to Jay Culter and Matt Schaub. Which is definitely not a bad thing. As much as I like Luck and Griffin as prospects (and I really do – both of them APPEAR to have all the tools necessary to be elite for a decade or more), there’s no 100% surefire indication that either of them can even match that level of production, much less surpass it and be a truly elite, top five QB in the NFL.
Hard to find a capable QB in the NFL, much less a top fifteen, top ten guy. Hue might have overpaid for CP3, but as I said before – can’t pay too much if the guy ends up putting your team within striking distance of a Superbowl. If that happens? I have no problem giving up two first-rounders. Let’s just hope that McKenzie and Allen can put the right pieces around him to make a run.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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The only ones on this blog who regularly bash Palmer are BSJ and Method (who are complete Raider-haters), RMR (who just likes trolling), and RaiderDebo (who’s waiting with baited breath for the JaMarcus Russell bidding war to start, which should tell you everything you need to know about his football intelligence).
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You forgot about biggest Carson hater Mistic, haven’t seen him since Campbell went to Chicago , oh yeah that’s right he’s in their blogs talking up Campbell. As the next greatest quarterback in Bears history
April 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Well, hopefully the Raiders do make it into post-season.
1. First thing that needs to change is getting out coached in the 2nd half. The adjustments on both sides of the ball last season were pathetic at times. (especially on D)
2. Better discipline, accountability and players giving 110% Gio for example..not all pro but shows up to play.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Carson is elite , he just played on a very bad franchise n still went to problems multiple times
April 7th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Palmer = Elite?!
You People …… Really?
Palmer is a great QB, but if you think he is as good as T Brady, Manning, or A Rogers then you don’t know what you are talking about.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
All QBs(players) have terrible games now and then-they are human.What gets me is how so many people focus on those when judging guys.I’ve repeatedly read comments focusing on Palmer’s GB game yet rarely see any about his games against Det. or SD which seem to be the norm were the GB game was the exception.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I am no CP advocate and hardly think he is “elite”, but also feel he is heads and tails above JC who is a serial #2 bench warmer. There is nothing wrong with being a serial bench warmer at $3.5M per season. I do like CP’s long game and he admitted in his interview that he’ll be doing bootlegs per Knapp’s playbook. If CP gains some movement and elusiveness avoiding the rush then maybe he’ll be okay.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Well said YA.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raiders for life Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Well, hopefully the Raiders do make it into post-season.
1. First thing that needs to change is getting out coached in the 2nd half. The adjustments on both sides of the ball last season were pathetic at times. (especially on D)
2. Better discipline, accountability and players giving 110% Gio for example..not all pro but shows up to play.
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Didn’t we go the first eight or nine games of last season without scoring any touchdowns after the mid-third quarter? So much for the “offensive genius” Hue…
April 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Well, hopefully the Raiders do make it into post-season.
1. First thing that needs to change is getting out coached in the 2nd half. The adjustments on both sides of the ball last season were pathetic at times. (especially on D)
2. Better discipline, accountability and players giving 110% Gio for example..not all pro but shows up to play.
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That’s so right we got outcoached so badly last year , I don’t know if they were just more fatigued then the other team or jackson was just busy getting a spa during halftime
April 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Palmer does have a beautiful deep spiral.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Raider O Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Palmer = Elite?!
You People …… Really?
Palmer is a great QB, but if you think he is as good as T Brady, Manning, or A Rogers then you don’t know what you are talking about.
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That’s getting into what “Elite” means.
If you think “Elite” means top 5, he isn’t.
If you think “Elite” means top 10, he is.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Palmer does have a beautiful deep spiral.
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That doesn’t sound right! Let me refrase that.
Palmer can throw a beautiful deep spiral.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Lefty 12, 322
The problem is Lefty, many QBs can look good against the SD’s and Detroit’s in the NFL – the lower teams. Put those QB’s against great teams and ability can be judged. You can’t completely blame Palmer in the one-sided loss against GB.
There are many DMAC man-crush lovers here who talk about DMAC being the best RB in Raider’s history or the NFL. First, his record isn’t close to supporting that and second, he runs very average against good and/or great teams.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Top 10?’ top 30%?!
That’s not Elite!
April 7th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elite
e·lite
[ih-leet, ey-leet]
noun
1.
( often used with a plural verb ) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
If there are only 32 teams. Elite should be 1-5
April 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
What comes ager elite……pretty damn good..and that’s where Carson is at.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Elite should be 1-5, agreed.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RaidersOne Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Elite should be 1-5, agreed.
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But can we agree that Palmer is a top-10 QB? I believe he is.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Palmer is easily a top 10 QB.With the proper system and a good supporting cast he is in the elite/near elite class.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Brady ,Peyton, Big Ben , Rodgers, Elie Manning
April 7th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Code black()
April 7th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Agreed. Top 1-5 players should be considered Elite.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Brady ,Peyton, Big Ben , Rodgers, Elie Manning
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No Brees?!
April 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Brady ,Peyton, Big Ben , Rodgers, Elie Manning
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Take big Ben out of that .. He’s top 15 for sure not top top5
April 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Yup put brees , in place of big Ben
April 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
( Brady Peyton,Big Ben,Rodgers,Elie Manning 1-5)
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10
? Which Qbs names belong here
April 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Can’t put Big Ben in there,and I’m not sure Payton can still be either.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Wow forgot Drew…my bad…I put Brees in before Big Ben
April 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Palmer is easily a top 10 QB.With the proper system and a good supporting cast he is in the elite/near elite class.
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We can win a SB without having an elite QB IMHO. Palmer is a good QB, but it’s hard to judge him based on last season, but I don’t think he is Elite.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Did u guys watch the home run hit by Cespedes last night ?
April 7th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Big Ben can’t make the pretty throws..but leadership and toughness goes a long way in ny book..top 10 for sure.imo
April 7th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Did u guys watch the home run hit by Cespedes last night ?
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I heard it was a beast but haven’t seen a highlight yet.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
1- Brady
2- Manning
3- Rogers
4- Brees
5- Manning
Big Ben, Rivers, Schaub, Romo, and Palmer.
Last 5 not in order.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
E. Manning
B. Roethelisberger
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To me, those guys are elite. Peyton Manning would absolutely be in that discussion if he can return to form in 2012. Hard to tell where he’s at health-wise.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
So M Vick isn’t a top ten qb?
April 7th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
( Brady Peyton,Big Ben,Rodgers,Elie Manning 1-5)
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7.
8.
9.
10
? Which Qbs names belong here
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You got big ben in top 5 ? (smh) top 10? Maybe but. Top 5 no way ..
Top 5: Brady, Peyton,Brees,Eli,Brees in no particular order
Vick,Big Ben,Carson ,Schaub, Phillip Rivers round out the the top 10
April 7th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
You can also make a case for Ryan and Vick.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Can you imagine what Palmer would have accomplished if he had spent his career with a team like Pitt. or a coach like Payton?He would easily be thought of as elite.He may not be elite today,but he is damn close.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Yeah it was like 450 feet
April 7th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Big Ben has all the tools. May not always put up a pretty stat line, but he’s an unquestioned winner. Has to be considered elite in my mind. He takes over games. Steelers have been pass-heavy in recent years. Their running game has been inconsistent and their defense is declining. Yet Big Ben has kept them as contenders, even with next to nothing talent-wise on the offensive line.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I’d rather have Big Ben than Brees.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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Actually it’s the other way around. To many people over hype Palmer on this blog. Palmer had one(2005) maybe 2 (2006)good years. He has NEVER been consider elite. NEVER in the Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisberger range. If anything the guy is highly overrated. He is also one of the only starting QB’s in the past few years that’s had a constant debate of being overrated. Just because he is a Raider does not make him better. If you ask most Raiders fans with there head in “reality” they say JC and CP should have battle for the starting QB job this year. Throwing 16 INT’s in 10 games is inexcusably even coming off the couch. People blame the “coming off the couch” nonsense but that’s what CP does. He throws a lot of INT’s.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Vick-you’re joking,right?He isn’t even top 15.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
( Brady Peyton,Big Ben,Rodgers,Elie Manning 1-5)
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9.
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? Which Qbs names belong here
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You got big ben in top 5 ? (smh) top 10? Maybe but. Top 5 no way ..
Top 5: Brady, Peyton,Brees,Eli,Brees in no particular order
Vick,Big Ben,Carson ,Schaub, Phillip Rivers round out the the top 10
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Sorry got two Brees , one of them meant to be Rodgers
April 7th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Big Ben has all the tools. May not always put up a pretty stat line, but he’s an unquestioned winner. Has to be considered elite in my mind. He takes over games. Steelers have been pass-heavy in recent years. Their running game has been inconsistent and their defense is declining. Yet Big Ben has kept them as contenders, even with next to nothing talent-wise on the offensive line.
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Their D been declining ? Really? Last time I checked they were top 5 in league last year
April 7th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Another fool chimes in.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Cutler is a good QB too.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Vick-you’re joking,right?He isn’t even top 15.
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Vick is easily top 10 , this guy gives the DCO nightmares , you have to plan for his running alone , his arm ain’t bad either
April 7th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Raider O Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Cutler is a good QB too.
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Yeah Cutler top 15
April 7th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Top 10 not in order:
Brady
Brees
Rogers
Manning brothers
Big Ben
Schaub
Romo
Rivers
Palmer
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Vick, Ryan, and Cutler.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaidO Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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Actually it’s the other way around. To many people over hype Palmer on this blog. Palmer had one(2005) maybe 2 (2006)good years. He has NEVER been consider elite. NEVER in the Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisberger range. If anything the guy is highly overrated. He is also one of the only starting QB’s in the past few years that’s had a constant debate of being overrated. Just because he is a Raider does not make him better. If you ask most Raiders fans with there head in “reality” they say JC and CP should have battle for the starting QB job this year. Throwing 16 INT’s in 10 games is inexcusably even coming off the couch. People blame the “coming off the couch” nonsense but that’s what CP does. He throws a lot of INT’s.
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You can chalk up 7 of them to coming off couch not knowing system , wide recievera getting injured etc..
April 7th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Btw,
I rather have Palmer over Schaub, Romo, and Rivers.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Disagree.I don’t believe he is even in the top 15.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Their D been declining ? Really? Last time I checked they were top 5 in league last year
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Yep. They’re old as hell. Faded down the stretch. Problems in the secondary. Two consecutive down seasons for Polmalu. Hampton is likely gone. Aaron Smith retired. Harrison had a down season, and they have nothing at ILB.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
We really don’t know about Palmer because Cincy did not have proper support around him to bring out all his potentials. Maybe the Raiders can bring such support and we’ll see how “elite” CP actually is.
He’s definitely a improvement over JC. I used to crack up reading numerous posts here singing praises of JC’s “eliteness”. A day after he is a free agent, he signs w/Bears as a backup……funny.,
April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
No way is Romo top 15 in my book.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
369-don’t waste your time.He(she) hates anything and everything about the Raiders.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
3 young guys to keep an eye on:
Cam
Dalton
Stafford
April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Not worth replying to RaidO.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I would take Alex Smith over Romo.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaidO Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
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Actually it’s the other way around. To many people over hype Palmer on this blog. Palmer had one(2005) maybe 2 (2006)good years. He has NEVER been consider elite. NEVER in the Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisberger range. If anything the guy is highly overrated. He is also one of the only starting QB’s in the past few years that’s had a constant debate of being overrated. Just because he is a Raider does not make him better. If you ask most Raiders fans with there head in “reality” they say JC and CP should have battle for the starting QB job this year. Throwing 16 INT’s in 10 games is inexcusably even coming off the couch. People blame the “coming off the couch” nonsense but that’s what CP does. He throws a lot of INT’s.
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You can chalk up 7 of them to coming off couch not knowing system , wide recievera getting injured etc..
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Palmer knew the system. He worked with Hue in USC and Cinci. He knew the basics of the system. Bad excuse.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I would take Alex Smith over Romo.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
April 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Bottom5 QB’s
#1 Tebow
Sanchez, Gabbart,Cleveland QB,minny QB
April 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Raider O, 370
I’d rather have CP over Romo, any time. Romo is too inconsistent and is also stuck with coaches and staff who are downright boneheaded. Plus Romo isn’t help by Rob Ryan who seems to be as dumb as a sack of rusty hammers.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
YA and toward the end of last year when their defense wore down the team looked bad although Ben was hurt.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I would put Romo in the same class as Palmer. Only thing about Romo is that he has these inexplicable brain farts that cost his team in key situations. Really don’t know what that’s about. He has a great skill set, and has proven himself capable of beating some tough teams. But when the season is on the line, he always finds a way to fall short. He’ll put together an amazing game for 50 minutes, and then blow it in the home stretch. Like clockwork. Never seen anything like it.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I think it’s an insult to all NFL QBs to contine to call Tebow a QB.
He is a RB pretending to be a QB!
April 7th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
YA and toward the end of last year when their defense wore down the team looked bad although Ben was hurt.
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Big props to Ben for playing on that bad ankle, though. Tough SOB. Don’t like him as a person, but as a player you have to respect that.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RaidO Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaidO Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why is it the only group of people that don’t believe Palmer is in the elite/near elite class of QBs are those that comment on this blog?When you listen to anyone associated with the league or other coaches he is always highly thought of.
____________________________________________
Actually it’s the other way around. To many people over hype Palmer on this blog. Palmer had one(2005) maybe 2 (2006)good years. He has NEVER been consider elite. NEVER in the Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisberger range. If anything the guy is highly overrated. He is also one of the only starting QB’s in the past few years that’s had a constant debate of being overrated. Just because he is a Raider does not make him better. If you ask most Raiders fans with there head in “reality” they say JC and CP should have battle for the starting QB job this year. Throwing 16 INT’s in 10 games is inexcusably even coming off the couch. People blame the “coming off the couch” nonsense but that’s what CP does. He throws a lot of INT’s.
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You can chalk up 7 of them to coming off couch not knowing system , wide recievera getting injured etc..
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Palmer knew the system. He worked with Hue in USC and Cinci. He knew the basics of the system. Bad excuse.
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Never mind , I forgot who i was replying to ..goodnight sandusky 44 . Don’t bother replying
April 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
One,
I can’t believe 2 teams hired Robo as DC after we let him go. I can’t believe the guy is still coaching in the NFL.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
YoungAmerican Says, 384
Young, you are correct. You combine Romo’s brain farts with coaches’ brain farts, and J.Jones meddling, Cowboys are going nowhere.
Romo is out of it mentally. I think that ugly, fat blonde he was hooked up with a few years back sucked him dry. He was never the same after her.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
New post.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
New post.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raiders coaching staff wasn’t very good @ making adjustments last year. . .not having two formidable, effective running backs & lack of speed allowed defenses to play more aggressively against the Raiders “O.” The TE & Reese were taken out of the game because of lack of threat from the WR’s (often injured). The injuries & lack of speed they created cut down the fact early on all the skill players were to be reckoned with.
If DMC(what is his real nickname?) is healthy his speed creates space for the passing game. If Moore continues his development defenses have to think about bracketing him. If DHB improves his route running & becomes a more consistent hand catcher he will be open on the slants that are available in the WCO. If Ford stays healthy his RAC potential will threaten the opposition. If Ausberry is, in fact the “beast” CP has advertised the TE position will acquaint itself. This will allow Reese to find opeen spaces against slower LB’s & smaller safeties. Then the Raidere can take advantage of Cp’s deep arm & go downfield more prevalently than usual in the WCO.
All these are byproducts of the WCO. Just look @ the Texan offense & supplant the Raider players in their stead. All these factors were not in attendance for CP last year. And I’m not even factoring the development of Tim McGee, Taiwan Jones or Mike Goodson. . .or a special package for Terrell Pryor. . .
So I think the potential for a formidable
Raider “O” is there. Wouldn’t mind sacraficing a #1 pick in 2013 for CP. . .final four in 2013 playoffs or bust!
Now about that defense. . .
April 7th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
LOL, Not putting Mike Vick in the top 10 QB’s. Are you fricking CRAZY.
Michael Vick 6 TD Performance On The Redskins!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrwWcbOW7ZE
Get outta here with that mess.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RaidersOne Says:
April 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
YoungAmerican Says, 384
Young, you are correct. You combine Romo’s brain farts with coaches’ brain farts, and J.Jones meddling, Cowboys are going nowhere.
Romo is out of it mentally. I think that ugly, fat blonde he was hooked up with a few years back sucked him dry. He was never the same after her.
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Lol , you talking bout simpson
April 7th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
YA,actually I heard last year where someone broke Romo’s stats down and he preformed better the more the game progressed-ie. he was better in the 2nd than the 1st qtr,better in the 3rd than the 2nd,and played his best in the 4th qtr of games.Hard to believe sometimes when you watch him but that is what the stats say.
April 7th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
New post ..
April 7th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Mcfadden20. 394
Yeah, that’s it I think, Jessica Simpson, big around as a refrigerator now. She went on after the breakup with Romo to launch a cosmetics, fashion and accessory line and now is worth $500M.
Geez, I guess it’s better to be lucky than smart.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
C’mon you guys…defense is 7 men in the box or 8…4-3 or 3-4 is ir-revelant. Against a running team you play 3-5, 4-4, or 3-5, a passing team you play nickel or dime.
You need versatile players up front that can play multiple positions, and a scheme that can stop the run!
The number of secondary players you play dictates your front.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
that sure was the old RMR last night!
Don’t bother responding..lol.
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