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Kingdon on Sirius

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Longtime Raiders scout Jon Kingdon was a guest of Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt on Sirius XM NFL radio over the weekend, and although there was nothing earth-shattering in his revelations, it was a rare opportunity to hear someone from the scouting department going on the record.

On the vision on general manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen . . .

“We met with at the combine, we got together and all got on the same page. Things change a little bit, what kind of players they’re looking for, specifically position-wise. We’re moving to more of a zone blocking scheme, and our defense will change a little bit so we’ll be working very close with him to get the type of players they’re looking for. I think on the offensive line we’ll be looking for movement, the athletic type of linemen, that’s an example of something we’ll be focusing on.”

Looking to the future past simply this season when assessing talent in the McKenzie/Allen era . . .

“Yeah, pretty much, particularly, I think you have to anticipate losing players , guys that next year will be true free agents and restricted free agents and such. You want to get guys that can step in immediately and you want to get guys that will be able step in a year or two from now.”

Philospophy on workout warriors such as Bruce Campbell, dealt for Carolina running back Mike Goodson . . .

“I thought the fourth round was a great spot for him. You want a little more consistency in his play out of college. I think that’s what held him back, obviously. His workout numbers were off the charts. I think one of the problems was we put him in at guard and that really wasn’t a position for him. I think in retrospect give him one spot and kind of let him grow with that spot. I think this trade works out awfully well for both of us in the sense that we’ve lost Michael Bush. Goodson’s a player who we really liked coming out and he was sort of behind on the depth chart in Carolina, didn’t have an opportunity, and Bruce at this point wasn’t getting much of an opportunity either, so I think it could work out both ways.”

Kingdon was identified as the “director of college scouting” by Sirius, interesting in that the Raiders have never called their talent evaluators anything other than the non-specific desingation of “scout.”

McKenzie said in February he didn’t plan on making any changes in the scouting department until after the draft.

The scouting staff is being looked at closely right now, and their performance and how they see players will be crucial in whether or not they’re retained.

Not that they have to agree with McKenzie and Allen on every turn. Healthy debate and dissent is important when evaluating talent, leaving the final call to McKenzie.

A common misperception among some concerning Raiders scouts is that they simply fell in line with everything Al Davis saw in a player. In actuality, I’ve talked to a couple of scouts who often disagreed with Davis on players and told him so. They were usually overruled, but to assume there won’t be some productive give-and-take with McKenzie and that they’ll mindlessly be bringing in “bigger, stronger, faster” at the expense of production would be a mistake.

The Raiders won’t be on the clock until the third round of the draft, but the scouting department has been on the clock since McKenzie arrived.

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  • lefty12

    RRS-put me down for Tank Carder-LB-TCU

    Dakota,I’m on The Girl Who Played With Fire now-great books.

  • Dakota

    51.lefty12 Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    RRS-put me down for Tank Carder-LB-TCU

    Dakota,I’m on The Girl Who Played With Fire now-great books.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Cool….would you like to know how it ends?

    Just kidding. Have you googled the author and read about his story…..interesting and disturbing stuff.

  • raiderinparadise

    This draft is a bonus for depth and to be hopefull to catch a star.

    The roster could play tomorrow.

    BUT it could be upgraded at OL and LB depth.

    and a 3rd string QB.

    Besides that, I’m straight.

  • lefty12

    We have our 3rd string QB.What we need to do is sign our Vet back-up QB.

  • RaiderSam

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    Players that could be traded, but would only get a mid to late round draft pick:

    Mitchell
    Murphy
    Ausberry or Gordon,
    Van Dyke
    Kelly

    players that could garner a 2nd or 3rd:

    Shaughnessy
    Heyward-Bay
    McClain
    Houston

    I’m not saying we should trade any of these men, simply being realistic.
    ==============================
    One deal i had down was Tommy Kelly, a 5th and a 6th to Tampa Bay for their 3rd rounder and 7th – with the 68th pick overrall, we’d get WR Marvin Jones of Cal or DT Brandon Thompson from Clemson

    Another would be Heyward-Bey to the Rams for the 39th pick and selecting Janoris Jenkins (his contract would make a deal a little harder to make for the other team)

    Van Dyke to the Redskins at 69 and taking Doug Martin or pass rusher Vinny Curry would be another option.

  • Master Beeecham

    Dudes I just pulled off a Moonwalk right into the splits without ruffling my pubes!

    Our choreography instructor told everyone how amazing this combo is, and we decided to smoke a phat joint in celebration.

    Then a few members of 2K4S just kinda wandered off

    No worries though, gave me a few seconds to bust more lyrics, this one is for a jam I’m calling “Love is for Winners”, check it

    1st period is great, ’cause I sit next to my girl
    Yo, at prom last year, my Boo rocked my world
    We love to make out over Hanukkah dinner
    Yeah, just like they say – Love is for Winners

    YO MAKE ROOM ON THE BILLBOARD CHARTS, WIZZLE

  • raiderinparadise

    Ya’ll is crazy with making up your own

    “mock draft day trades”

    Reggie likes the roster and has been safe with everything so far, I doubt he would disrupt the flow of everything to move down, unless offered a deal from another team, he will patiently watch the draft boards he has.

  • lefty12

    Kelly a 5th and a 6th for just a 3rd and 7th=Foolish.

  • raiderinparadise

    Why would we trade Kelly? No way jose.

  • fingers

    Gotta like the Direction the Raiders are headed…

  • BewareofRaiders

    The Raiders are in a lot better shape than people realize. Had McFadden stayed healthy last year, they probably win the division. Take it from a Bronco fan, the Raiders will make some noise this year… Palmer is a great QB, and I think people should squash that “quitter” bs, sometimes you gotta do things you don’t want to do, to better your situation. He knew Cincy’s best years passed him by, and they were bout to hit a rebuilding stage again…who can blame him for wanting out.

    Love coming from a donks fan on PFT

  • raiderinparadise
  • RaiderSam

    Lefty12 Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    Kelly a 5th and a 6th for just a 3rd and 7th=Foolish.

    ============================

    Depends on the need. Thinking Shawntae Spencer and Ron Bartell will make it through the entire season is foolish. Then again, Jenkins would be a character risk. T.Kelly is owed 6 mil the following season – if you already unloaded Wimbley, why not get something in return….Cortland Finnegan and Marques Colston were 7th rounders – you dont have faith that Reg could pull a similar player late?

    A pure cover corner is gold. But this regime will take it slow.

  • raiderinparadise

    There is not 1 single player on the offense that I don’t like …. Kahlif Barnes would maybe be the only one.

    The defense I have issues with:

    Rolando McClain … now or never time.

    Huff Daddy … new scheme better help you make plays and learn how to tackle.

    Seymour, erase those 0 tackle games form the stat sheets.

  • fingers

    Raider props from a Donk fan?… Lol…must be the altitude …

  • Rellik30

    Didn’t DMAC get tromped during the zone blocking reign? (Cable)

  • fingers

    64..yep, the D still has lots of questions…. I want to see what diffrence the New Raider D coachs have on the players .

  • RaiderSam

    Raiderinparadise Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    Why would we trade Kelly? No way jose.

    ==========

    Just a hypothetical. It depends on the need, who’s available, etc. Could we finish ANY lower on defense? its about relieving cap space, and everybody knows its an obvious salary dump – he might even be gone by the trade deadline depending on what record we are this year.

  • fingers

    I’m stll not sure about the TE on O… But I’ve got a good feeling about the offense as a whole

  • 8RaiderReign8

    Hwnrdr Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
    46.8RaiderReign8 Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    Hwnrdr Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    LMAO, Reign8
    ________________

    Wassup man!

    All good bro! Just another day, another nickel…what’s good with you?
    ______________________

    Having Toyota tell me what they wont do for my car

  • raiderinparadise

    Tyvon should be signed to a long term deal very soon so it clears cap room to sign the drafted players.

    Then quiet until the 95th pick is up ….

  • 8RaiderReign8

    New post

  • The Oracle

    43.Dakota Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    BREAKING NEWS:

    I am on book three of the Millennium series (The Girl who Kicked the Hornet’s Nest) and I can’t put the mthrfker down……

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Throw that crap out the window. Get you some reading material you can really learn from and use like statistics, accounting, Pride and Poise, Beaver Hunt.

  • raiderinparadise

    @ 69.

    Brandon Meyers seems like a solid starter, Palmer has never been a TE passer …. Although Ausberry will be in the roll-out game in the new offense scheme I’m sure. Gordon is a great blocker, to me looks like the kid could play D-line if you ask me.

  • RaiderSam

    Raiderinparadise Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    @ 69.

    Brandon Meyers seems like a solid starter, Palmer has never been a TE passer …. Although Ausberry will be in the roll-out game in the new offense scheme I’m sure. Gordon is a great blocker, to me looks like the kid could play D-line if you ask me.

    ————–

    Palmer needs to hit EVERY receiver he can, including Reece out of the backfield. And Gordon was playing TE at 275 with a cast for half a season…he’s tough.

  • r8eray

    Tollefson on ESPN right now!!

  • joker94583

    First time ever we have heard from a Scout? Never happen with Al there. And I don’t believe for a second that anyone employed by Al ever questioned his decisions. That’s dissent and Al didn’t put up with that. Remember what happened when Gannon called Al out about drafting DuhMarcBust? Whatever, wake me up in July.

  • DKnight007

    2.RaiderRockstar Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    still awaiting votes for #95 pick (alpha)

    Attn:

    408RAIDER
    765Raiders
    805Raiders
    Al_is_theraiders
    AmysInCharge
    Angry Villager with Pitchfork
    Area man
    arkraider
    ArmChair GM
    bigsnow81
    Breaking_Black
    Broncos Foul Odor
    cdameworth
    cfrylopez
    Chris in NY
    coffee house raider
    Cranium Rash
    DennisAllensVisor
    DonManoukiansNeighbor
    EMRaiders
    ENGLANDRAIDER
    EWstyle
    Filobedo
    FreddieB
    Gary
    Gdog
    HayesDaze37
    Heartthrob Bob and the Juneberry Performers
    HGDaddy
    HitManMorris
    I90 Raider
    JB
    Jhill
    joebravo84
    J-Raider
    Kirk
    kvnbntly
    Lefty12
    Masha Puddongo
    Mcfadden20
    mcthompso
    micafonist
    mikep562
    mikeschoice
    Morilla
    NavyRaider
    NAZRAIDER
    Ohioraider
    overstuffed
    papertiger418
    Potato Head
    Priesttj
    Que
    radrntn
    Raider980
    Raiderfusion
    raiderjhawk
    Raider Keepin it real
    Raidernationdave
    raiderpete
    RaidersOne
    RAIDER WEAPON X
    Random Drug Tester
    Randy the Raider Redneck Alligator
    realtruraider
    Roch R
    SaintKaufman
    Seymour Bush
    SharkCatcher
    silver-on-black
    Simon
    Sullivan44
    Sweep The Leg
    TheGreatness
    Torto34
    Try Some Reality
    USandA
    VanHeathen
    Violent Hands
    Wabash Cannonball
    waklaboo
    Wolff

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Put my vote down on OLB/DE Jonathan Mossaquoi as the Raiders first pick at #95.

  • DKnight007

    Another player I like at the end of Round 3 is OLB/DE Corderro Law!

  • Dougie Doug

    2.RaiderRockstar Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    still awaiting votes for #95 pick (alpha)

    Attn:

    408RAIDER
    765Raiders
    805Raiders
    Al_is_theraiders
    AmysInCharge
    Angry Villager with Pitchfork
    Area man
    arkraider
    ArmChair GM
    bigsnow81
    Breaking_Black
    Broncos Foul Odor
    cdameworth
    cfrylopez
    Chris in NY
    coffee house raider
    Cranium Rash
    DennisAllensVisor
    DonManoukiansNeighbor
    EMRaiders
    ENGLANDRAIDER
    EWstyle
    Filobedo
    FreddieB
    Gary
    Gdog
    HayesDaze37
    Heartthrob Bob and the Juneberry Performers
    HGDaddy
    HitManMorris
    I90 Raider
    JB
    Jhill
    joebravo84
    J-Raider
    Kirk
    kvnbntly
    Lefty12
    Masha Puddongo
    Mcfadden20
    mcthompso
    micafonist
    mikep562
    mikeschoice
    Morilla
    NavyRaider
    NAZRAIDER
    Ohioraider
    overstuffed
    papertiger418
    Potato Head
    Priesttj
    Que
    radrntn
    Raider980
    Raiderfusion
    raiderjhawk
    Raider Keepin it real
    Raidernationdave
    raiderpete
    RaidersOne
    RAIDER WEAPON X
    Random Drug Tester
    Randy the Raider Redneck Alligator
    realtruraider
    Roch R
    SaintKaufman
    Seymour Bush
    SharkCatcher
    silver-on-black
    Simon
    Sullivan44
    Sweep The Leg
    TheGreatness
    Torto34
    Try Some Reality
    USandA
    VanHeathen
    Violent Hands
    Wabash Cannonball
    waklaboo
    Wolff
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Put my vote Mike Martin Nose Tackle/Michigan

  • papertiger418

    @RAIDER ROCKSTAR:
    Re:#95 pick

    You can put me down for Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)

    Thanks for compiling the list!

  • Raidernationdave

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    April 9th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    still awaiting votes for #95 pick (alpha)

    Attn:

    408RAIDER
    765Raiders
    805Raiders
    Al_is_theraiders
    AmysInCharge
    Angry Villager with Pitchfork
    Area man
    arkraider
    ArmChair GM
    bigsnow81
    Breaking_Black
    Broncos Foul Odor
    cdameworth
    cfrylopez
    Chris in NY
    coffee house raider
    Cranium Rash
    DennisAllensVisor
    DonManoukiansNeighbor
    EMRaiders
    ENGLANDRAIDER
    EWstyle
    Filobedo
    FreddieB
    Gary
    Gdog
    HayesDaze37
    Heartthrob Bob and the Juneberry Performers
    HGDaddy
    HitManMorris
    I90 Raider
    JB
    Jhill
    joebravo84
    J-Raider
    Kirk
    kvnbntly
    Lefty12
    Masha Puddongo
    Mcfadden20
    mcthompso
    micafonist
    mikep562
    mikeschoice
    Morilla
    NavyRaider
    NAZRAIDER
    Ohioraider
    overstuffed
    papertiger418
    Potato Head
    Priesttj
    Que
    radrntn
    Raider980
    Raiderfusion
    raiderjhawk
    Raider Keepin it real
    Raidernationdave
    raiderpete
    RaidersOne
    RAIDER WEAPON X
    Random Drug Tester
    Randy the Raider Redneck Alligator
    realtruraider
    Roch R
    SaintKaufman
    Seymour Bush
    SharkCatcher
    silver-on-black
    Simon
    Sullivan44
    Sweep The Leg
    TheGreatness
    Torto34
    Try Some Reality
    USandA
    VanHeathen
    Violent Hands
    Wabash Cannonball
    waklaboo
    Wolff
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    As I mentioned previously I’m simply looking for a live body that scores more than 2 on the Wonderlic.

  • alzadoX

    Don’t think Al Davis would let his scouts do interview. But I’m sure there was some degree of dissent but knowing Al he probably wouldn’t tolerate much. Ron Wolf left Oakland the first time for Tampa Bay after not seeing eye to eye with Al, but later came back for a little while I believe

    If you look at what Green Bay with McKenzie did, they certainly took some raw athletic freaks, but didn’t draft them too high; or draft one dimensional for top speed– no matter how high a pick Al needed to use to be assured he’d get the fastest guy at the combine, he always tried to do it. Probably could have traded down to low first round and still gotten DHB, but instead took him 7th in draft, for example