McKenzie and Allen transcript
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, April 28th, 2012 at 7:04 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Here is the transcript from the post-draft news conference with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen:
McKenzie: “The day is over. Ah, shoot. Let’s open it up, guys. Questions?”
Question: Just an overview of how you think the day went?
McKenzie: Well, it went better. We had more picks today. We set out to try to upgrade the team and by the end of the day we felt like we did that. Remains to be seen just how good they will be, but we anxiously will await their presence here in Oakland and also into camp. So, we’re excited. It was a good weekend. We feel good about where we’ve come so far.
Q: Are the D-lineman you drafted projects you can be patient with and bring along slowly?
McKenzie: Yeah, with all these guys, to a certain degree, they’re going to have to be brought along. But yes, the D-linemen, they did get into football late. But they are very good prospects so even though they’re a little raw, we feel like we can coach those guys up and they will eventually be pretty good players.
Q: There’s a report you could sign Matt Leinart, what could he bring to what you’re doing here?
McKenzie: What we’re doing, we’re bringing in Matt Leinart for a tryout. Signing and all of that, that’s secondary. But we’re bringing him in for a tryout.
Q: What do you like about him?
McKenzie: The fact is he’s an experienced quarterback and we just want to take a closer look at him, watch him throw the ball and see how his injury has come around.
Q: How do you evaluate a guy like Bilukidi who was at Georgia State?
McKenzie: Well, for one, it’s not his fault who he plays against. But with that being said, he’s a big man with a great deal of athleticism and he hustles to the ball. You can see that type stuff in watching him play. You can see his ability to move laterally, see his ability to play hard. But yes, playing against some SEC, Pac-12-type players, he did not have that chance to do that. But what you look for, did he dominate at his level? And that he did. Bottom line, he’s a big man with really good athleticism and he plays like he loves to play the game. So, we were down there in the draft and felt like we needed to take a look at him. You know, we had brought him in for a visit and interviewed him, spent a lot of time with him and we felt like we needed to take a further look and get this guy in.
Q: What did you like about Burris and is he the one guy today who has the most chance of making an impact this season?
Allen: I don’t know if he’s the one guy that has the most significant chance of having an impact. But he is one of those guys that we feel like… and Reggie said this from the very beginning, guys. What we wanted to do is we wanted to go out and get quality football players. And that’s what we feel like we got in Burris. I think he’s a tough physical player that’s got good athletic skill, has instincts for the game, plays the game the right way. And that’s really at the end of the day when we looked at it, we said hey, we’ve got a quality football player that’s got a chance to come in and compete for a position on this team and we wanted to try to bring him in here.
Q: How involved were you, Dennis, in the pick-by-pick and what were you emphasizing–let’s get the toughest guy? Something like that?
Allen: First of all, I think Reggie and I, when it got time or it got close to the pick, he and I were in constant communication on where we thought we ought to go with the pick and who was the best player available. And at the end of the day, really, what we went off of was, when we looked at the tape, what players jumped out at us, that were productive, quality football players? And I think everyone of the guys that we were able to pick understood how to play the game, they were tough, they were smart, they were disciplined, they played the game with instincts. Those were the qualities we looked for in a football player. And then they’ve got to be above a certain line athletically, and all these guys were.
Why all the basketball players, Reggie?
McKenzie: “You know, even when college scouts go in and do their research, you see this guy played baseball, this guy played three years of high school basketball. Yes, it helps when you talk about how athletic especially big men are. Do we go in and look for guys who played basketball? No. No. But when we research and get down into the scouting part of it, yes. That’s part of the process. It’s just like when we look at defensive backs – if they play center field and outfield, learning how to track balls, that’s part of scouting. But for a specific sport? We don’t go out looking for basketball players, defensive linemen who can play basketball. That doesn’t give them a boost up in a round, no.”
Allen: “We’re close to having a starting five, though.”
And how about all the players with such strong faith?
McKenzie: “You know what? I think when you talk about high-character guys, how they were brought up, work ethic, I think part of that is kind of reflective on your faith. At least I know it was with me. But did we go out and say we’re going to get faith-based players specifically? No. No. That’s not our intent. But I think just by nature good quality players have a strong foundation in their faith.”
Surprised Criner was still there, and was his speed a red flag?
McKenzie: “Yes, we were surprised that he was still there, but excited that he was. And the speed, it was a factor but it was not a red flag. Because if it was a red flag we probably wouldn’t have taken him. But the guy, for a big guy, he’s quick. So if he was a slow guy with no quickness, it would have been a struggle to get him there.”
How did the trade come about?
McKenzie: “After looking at the board, we felt we could have an opportunity to move down, and pick up, we had quite a few players around that level, so we felt like we could get one of ‘em. And also by picking up another pick, that was just gravy. So if we got a team to do it, we would’ve jumped on it. And we did. So that’s how it went down.”
So you approached them?
McKenzie: “Yes.”
Q: Why didn’t you draft any defensive backs?
Allen: “Well, first of all, I appreciate the guru comment. I don’t know if I classify it as a guru. But, really, at the end of the day, we set out on this process and our goal was to get the best football players we could for this team. If there was a defensive back that was available at the value that we were looking for at that time, then that’s a decision that we would have made. But, really, at the end of the day, we played the board out exactly how we went through the process. That’s a credit to Reggie and the scouting department on how we set the board. And we didn’t panic. We just went right off the board and the best player available was the direction that we went. We feel good about the guys that we picked.”
Q: What are the rules for contact with the rookies between now and the mini camp in two weeks?
McKenzie: “Well, there’s a lot of rules. For fear of not abiding by the rules, I’m going to just leave that alone. Yes, our hands are tied. Now, we’ll get them in in a couple of weeks, as far as the rookie mini camp goes, but it’s hands off. It’s an off-limits-type of thing. Those guys have to be back into their college towns no later than tomorrow night if we would have brought them in today. So, it has to be a short turnaround. Just come in, meet you guys, and they’re pretty much out. That’s the way the league, along with the NCAA, has it. So, it’s for fear of taking these guys out from school. That’s the main purpose. Yeah, we wish we could get them in and do a whole playbook sessions, but we can’t do that.”
Q: What did you learn about Reggie during the draft process, coach?
Allen: “I said it before, and I’m not going to restate it again, other than, I’m just going to say, listen, you get the same guy, no matter what. He’s not going to fold under the pressure, the stress is not going to get to him, he’s got a plan, he’s going to work that plan and, at the end of the day, those are the guys that make the best decisions. The ones that don’t get emotional about making a decision, they have a plan attack, they have a thought process about the way that they’re going to operate and, at the end of the day, they work that plan. And that’s what he did during this draft, and that’s what he’s done with everything since he’s been here.”
Q: What is the latest on Tyvon Branch and Marcel Reece and their tenders?
McKenzie: I haven’t, our contract negotiators have been in contact with them specifically, but communication’s been well. With either of those guys it’s not been an ugly situation. They know we love ‘em and we feel good about our chances of getting them back, hopefully sooner than later. But the communication has really been pretty good.
Q: Neither has been signed?
McKenzie: No, not yet.
Q: Relief that it’s over, knowing you came into this without a lot of picks?
McKenzie: Coming into this thing, knowing that I had two picks, thinking about it was a struggle, because I didn’t want to think about that. But the hope of the possibility of getting compensatory picks, that gave you a brighter outlook, and when we got ‘em, needless to say we were excited. But to come away with six draft picks on the day, we feel great about. Where they came, really doesn’t matter, it’s the fact that we have some draft picks, and, but the anticipation of it, didn’t matter what round, it was exciting. We’re getting ready to pick our guy, and it was constant communication. It was a good process. It was good for me. This was a good weekend.
Q: What caught your eye about Hardy, no football experience at all?
McKenzie: In high school, he played. He was a basketball player in college. For one, the video tape, watching him, in the tryout showed his athleticism, ability to catch the ball, adjust and all that. You can tell his hands are not going to be a problem. And he ran pretty well, the frame, his physical frame, he looks the part. It was one of those deals, let’s see him try out in person. And I sent the scout down and everything was positive, so we brought him up. He’s had a little injury since he’s been up here, and that’s kind of slowed down his progress which he needs a lot of progress, but it’s one of those, `let’s take a look and see’ we know it’s going to be a project, but we’ll try to figure out if it’s going to be a good one or not.
Q: Injury is a minor injury?
McKenzie: Yeah, it’s minor. It’s minor.
Q: Now you have four tight ends. Are you comfortable with four or looking to add one more?
McKenzie: It depends on if something comes available. I’m just not going to let a player that we like that comes on a waiver wire or whatever through a tryout. If it’s a guy we think we can add and upgrade the competition, we’ll add him.
Q: More incentive today to address the defensive side?
McKenzie: I think we went into the draft from day one to address the defense. You got to understand we have a defensive head coach and a defensive-minded general manager, so let’s win on defense. But as the day went, the defensive players were the players that were on the board. So we didn’t intentionally just go defense, defense.
Q: With the two defensive linemen, Christo and Crawford, do you have positions you think they’re going to be at?
Allen: Yeah, right now we’re looking at Christo going inside and playing inside and we’re looking at Crawford as a defensive end.
Q: In terms of Crawford’s leaping ability, he’s batted down a lot of passes at the line of scrimmage, maybe could be used for blocking kicks, is that the kind of thing you look at for something he could be used for?
Allen: Yeah, he’s big, athletic, runs really well. And he’s had some production, and so again we look for versatility in guys and we try to find roles for specific guys and I think as you look at him as we get a chance to work with him, I think we’re going to be able to define a pretty good role for him.
Q: Undrafted free agents?
McKenzie: That will be an on-going process. It’s going as we speak. We’ll wrap this up pretty soon. That process has started prior to us coming down. That thing goes for a while. We are hopeful that we get some good players that way too.
Q: Will this be an all-nighter?
McKenzie: Yes, absolutely.
Allen: Every night is an all-night thing.
Q: What’s the back and forth like with those UDFAs?
McKenzie: Let me tell you something. I’ve been at this for all these years. It’s ongoing until we have the signed document. It is a constant struggle because you have the recruiting part of it. It gets competitive, especially when you’re dealing with contracts, money, opportunity of course. Everybody gets into the recruiting aspect but we have the closer here next to me so we should be fine.
Q: How were you able to sign Hardy before draft?
McKenzie: Technically his draft year was in ’11, 2011. He was technically a street free agent at this point.
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April 28th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Some of you guys have to be the dumbest f’n people on earth.
Let’s try this again. Those were pre-draft grades given to prospects by NFL.com
I didn’t grade them. I didn’t predict what they would be. I didn’t even say I agreed with them.
I simply posted something I found interesting that showed the Raiders made GOOD VALUE PICKS based on position drafted.
Only 2 graded out lower than the value assigned and neither me nor anyone else really knows what will happen.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
I think Reggie did fine given the circumstances that he was left with. However, I was kinda upset about Ta’amu, and worse, he went to Pitt…but hey, like I said last night…I’m not Reggie!
April 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Wasbanned…I believe B asked if nfl.com said our draft sucked…even then, I never cared what they say! But it is nice hearing that Raiders and good draft in the same sentence from them…
April 28th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Nice Q&A we can sit here and critisize there picks but let them do what they do ecspecially mckenzie he’s not new to this.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Wasbanned couldn’t have been talking to me…that’s for damn sure cuz I careless about the grades…after I asked about nfl.com I left that topic
April 28th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
And RaiderSam is beyond lost…..back to back 8-8 seasons means you aren’t any good
April 28th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Bob Marley Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
An article on Derek Carrier:
“He’s out wide and catches a screen pass, and this little itty-bitty corner comes up on him and the kid (Carrier) runs out of bounds,” the scout said Saturday. “Makes no attempt to run him over or use a stiff-arm. Or anything. I lost interest on one play.
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BOOM HEADSHOT
April 28th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
I’m criticizing based on our major need for a run stuffer and a real speed demon at RDE….not difficult to understand guys
April 28th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Per RNS on FB:
Okay! Things have been busy since slept! Just kidding, we never sleep…
Oakland signed a slew of UDFAs including…
Former Penn State OL Lucas Nix
Former MSU DT Domonique Hamilton
East Carolina WR Lance Lewis and USC WR Brandon Carswell sign on the dotted line. We hear ubder talented WR/TE Derek Carrier is moments away from signing too.
Another UDFA Chaz Powell signs on with the Raiders. Hes was a conversion from WR to CB last season.
UFDA DE Kaelin Burnette just signed too.
Oakland had LB Brandon Lindsey signed out from under them.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
10th woohoo
April 28th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Also said: Not unexpected. Reggie ball type players and remember, rosters expanded to 90 per the new CBA…
April 28th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Bilukidi actually looks really good, IMO. The athleticism of this big man pops out at you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY
April 28th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Redshirt….super ouch if true
April 28th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
SHOULD BE A CAMP SOON 4 ROOKIES AND FREE AGENTS.WILL BE FUN TO READ ABOUT.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
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April 28th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
means you’re an average football team. the Raiders were only an average football team STILL with the WORST DEFENSE IN THE NFL and an INJURED CAST OF EXPLOSIVE PLAYERS ..
do the math now.. and tell me their defense didn’t get better from then till now. tell me Palmer was ready the first 3 games.. and what’s the difference now.
all this, esp if our starters stay healthy for 90% of the games. of course they’re “ifs”, but what isn’t in the NFL ..
April 28th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
*8-8 means
April 28th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Big athletic and can run, both Crawford and Christo. Same blueprint…because it works……..period
April 28th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
I’m criticizing based on our major need for a run stuffer and a real speed demon at RDE….not difficult to understand guys
I hear ya…
April 28th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Anyhow….Mavs Thunder looks good….outro…y’all be cool
April 28th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
we still have the 2nd round of cuts. cmon kids… be patient
April 28th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
hwnrdr Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
I’m criticizing based on our major need for a run stuffer and a real speed demon at RDE….not difficult to understand guys
I hear ya…
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all NFL teams looking for fast RDE and they had picks before the Raiders…only highly rated one that lasted was Ronnell Lewis and he has a major health concern
as far as run stuffing DTs no NFL teams seem to want them anymore, judging by the draft, or some of these guys didn’t rate highly in their eyes, or have injury concerns we don’t know about, or all of the above
Kaelin Burnett, apparently signed as UDFA, is a fast RDE type
April 28th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Method To My Madness,
So Method, memba me ?? Doubtful. I challenged you regarding the Sacramento Kings and their new forum deal that was supposedly “done”; because the retard Dennis Johnson put the cost on the people through higher city taxes I predicted it wouldn’t fly.
Of course, you just went “ape”, swinging like a monkey from a tree shouting out horrible invectives against me, even challenged me to a fist fight in the city of Oakland.
What do you have to say now once the deal has “officially” blown up ???
April 28th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Well, I won’t hold against you. But you would be wise to tone it down a little; one thing for sure: you aren’t as smart as you think you are.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I have never seen anything like that Christo tape, they played that kid literally everywhere on the line. He played 0 1 5 3 and 9tech. Sometimes in a 3pt stance and 2pt stance. The tape looked like Rob Ryan’s defense or Rex’s they play everything imaginable.
Christo is a longlegged athletic freak the kid can def. play DE and 3tech. He kind of reminds me of JPP. He’s got long limbs. He’s just green is all. I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like what they did with that kid. If he can do that at the next level this kid might be the steal of our draft and it aint close………..period
April 28th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’m optimistic about the Bilikuni guy. Looks to have a great motor, and he lined up all over the place.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
The Raiders 2012 draft class…
Carson Palmer QB
Joe Barksdale OL
Taiwan Jones RB
Terelle Pryor QB
Aaron Curry LB
Tony Bergstrom OL
Miles Burris LB
Jack Crawford DE
Juron Criner WR
Christo Bilukidi DT
Nate Stupar LB
Looks good to me….
April 28th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Well, guys…have a fun weekend! Peace out, Nation!!!
April 28th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Method it’s not bad criticism young blood we’re just making points and counterpoints. You know you’re bigtime with me bruh enjoy the hoops!!
Nite sports we got a better haul than we know…..trust Reggie did his thang…………period
April 28th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Kirk, it looks damn good to me. If we can get Christo stronger and play fast. He could be special I mean special.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
PeymourGlen, looks like RM & DA forgot to mention Stupar will replace McClain.
lmfao
April 28th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Like Jarvis Moss, right?
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Priesttj Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Kirk, it looks damn good to me. If we can get Christo stronger and play fast. He could be special I mean special.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
One thing we learned about Reggie is that he has his own style, kind of like Al. He signed a division II punter when we have the best punter in the game.
http://www.macon.com/2012/04/28/2007150/former-rutland-and-fort-valley.html
April 28th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
comments on 4th rounders from PFW, including why some players who were of interest to the semis slid in draft + their take on Miles Burris and new Reggime philosophy. They wrote comments before 5th round was over though, so it’s just based on Raiders’ first 2 picks
14 (109) Pittsburgh Steelers (from Washington through Oakland): NT Alameda Ta’amu,
Washington
The Steelers needed to find a replacement for 34-year-old NT Casey Hampton, who has begun to
show his age. Ta’amu was undisciplined early in his career and his weight tended to fluctuate. Plus,
there were questions about his makeup which caused him to slide, but he could be an outstanding
value pick for the Steelers. No nose tackle better collapsed the pocket than the thick-bodied,
naturally strong Samoan.
30 (125) Detroit Lions (fromSan Francisco): DE Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
With the Lions still needing to work out a long-term deal with franchise DE Cliff Avril, they landed
another edge-rushing dyamo in Lewis. Concerns about his intelligence, character and durability,
given sickle trait and stamina issues, affected his draft standing. However, he is one of the most
explosive hitters in this year’s draft and can crash the corner and fit well into Jim Schwartz’s
aggressive front. He also brings immediate special-teams value.
34 (129) Oakland Raiders (compensatory selection): OLB Miles Burris, San Diego State
The long-held draft philosophy of Al Davis is clearly changing under the guidance of new GM
Reggie McKenzie, who selected two good football players with his first two picks and valued more
what shows up on the field than in workouts. Burris plays the game with great urgency and
toughness and could bring a physical temperament to Dennis Allen’s defense.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Apparently, this guy can boom them:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/4/28/2985237/oakland-raiders-kick-off-undrafted-free-agency-by-signing-punter
April 28th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
On a positive note…
Oakland Raiders fans have the reputation of being loud, well-costumed, and sometimes even obnoxious. Now, they will also be known as supporters of education.
Every season ticket purchased and paid in full between May 1 and June 30 will have 10 percent of its gross donated to the Oakland public schools. With season tickets starting at $260 a piece and costing as much as $1,510, the donation to the schools can be substantial.
The schools could use the help. Last year, the school district went through a funding crisis. Teachers were laid off and programs were cut. The schools need help from the community, and the Raiders are stepping up.
Hopefully, the commitment doesn’t stop there. Perhaps the Black Hole could show up at a Spelling Bee or Mathlete competition? Every NFL team gives back, but few have shown such a bold commitment to their community. Kudos to the Raiders and their fans.
April 28th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Phenomenal transcript Cork. I really enjoyed reading. Whatever vision Reggie and Dennis are selling,I’m buying it. Thanks Steve. Good looking out. Blessings.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
About Lucas Nix:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37959
April 28th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Still available:
DE/OLB Cordarro Law
NT Hebron Fangupo
OT Steven Baker
April 28th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
My (very preliminary) first impression ranking of the weekend’s pickups:
1. Miles Burris, LB, SD State
2. Christo Bilukidi, DT, Ga State
3. Tony Bergstrom, G, Utah
4. Conroy Black, CB, Utah
5. Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
6. Lance Lewis, WR, ECU
7. Chaz Powell, DB, Penn State
8. Jack Crawford, DE, Penn State
9. Thomas Mayo, WR, Cal (PA)
10. Nathan Stupar, LB, Penn State
April 28th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Sorry…wifes stuff
It’s here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VapULyU56To
April 28th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
What did Coach Allen mean when referring to the “guru” comment?
Who is the guru?
If there is a guru, and he wanted to know why we didn’t draft a DB…I’d say the guru was 100% correct.
Fair to say Coach Allen didn’t answer the question about why the team didn’t draft any defensive backs…..
And why mention without being asked that “we” didn’t panic….cause what it means is that we did panic!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Hey Goldie7…@37….do you have a choice?
After all…is someone selling anything else?
April 28th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
DVD is very fast, very long and very fluid. Perfect raw ability for a CB. Rod Woodson loved him. Far better prospect than anything we’ll grab off the UFA heap. And Al’s acumen at drafting corners was second to none.
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Sorry Chris but I gotta disagree with you here. Since Nnamdi, Al has been drafting a corner high on every draft and he’s been whiffing. None of his picks have made any probowl. DVD was a reach. Sure he’s a prospect but you dont get prospects in the first 3 rounds. You get starters. DVD couldnt even crack the starting line up on his college team. I wouldnt even be surprised if DVD is cut in this camp.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Post 34
PFW doe’s realize those two players Reggie took also had great workouts, don’t they? They make it sound like they didn’t do so good in workouts, but were good on the field. Bergstrom and Burris were good in both areas.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I agree AIG….100%
April 28th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
NFL Network AFC WEST GRADES
1. Chiefs B+
2. Chargers B+
3. Broncos B-
4. Raiders C
April 28th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I would assume that’s because the Raiders first pick was #95
April 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Aaron Henry take-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1147579-2012-nfl-draft-the-6-biggest-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-aaron-henrys-game/page/4
April 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
yup, that’s a fantastic grade. that’s what they gave us last year.. and we got Wiz and Moore out of it. kudos to NFLN for giving out false grades when they haven’t saeen them play a down in the NFL.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
DVD is very fast, very long and very fluid. Perfect raw ability for a CB. Rod Woodson loved him. Far better prospect than anything we’ll grab off the UFA heap. And Al’s acumen at drafting corners was second to none.
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Sorry Chris but I gotta disagree with you here. Since Nnamdi, Al has been drafting a corner high on every draft and he’s been whiffing. None of his picks have made any probowl. DVD was a reach. Sure he’s a prospect but you dont get prospects in the first 3 rounds. You get starters. DVD couldnt even crack the starting line up on his college team. I wouldnt even be surprised if DVD is cut in this camp.
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That’s cool. But I love DVD’s height, length, speed and fluid change of direction ability. Outside of adding 10-15 pounds, he has all the physical tools of an elite CB.
The one thing I did notice last year that he really needs to improve are his ball skills. Oftentimes, he’s got great coverage but fails to knock the ball away or come up with a pick. To me, that’s correctable.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Who cares what the NFL Network grades are….they don’t mean jack….
We had a good draft….based on 1 point….our guys picked what “THEY” wanted….which Al Davis would have wanted from them….
That being said, I would have taken Josh Norman with our 129 and we could have picked Burris @ 158…but what do I know?
April 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Arizona State OL Dan Knapp joins the Oakland Raiders, per a league source.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
maybe Burris’ phone was blowing up… and the raiders caught wind of it. who knows.
i like the UDFA signings. i bet we’ll see two guys from that group contribute big on ST’s or step in for an injury in 2012 and do the d@mn thang! kind of like Desmond Bryant did his rookie year out of Harvard!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
What did Coach Allen mean when referring to the “guru” comment?
Who is the guru?
If there is a guru, and he wanted to know why we didn’t draft a DB…I’d say the guru was 100% correct.
Fair to say Coach Allen didn’t answer the question about why the team didn’t draft any defensive backs…..
And why mention without being asked that “we” didn’t panic….cause what it means is that we did panic!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
nice YA. build up those camp bodies!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
July 22: Deadline for unsigned UFA to sign with new clubs.
July 22: Deadline for transition players to sign with new clubs.
Late July: Training camps across the league begin.
Aug. 4: Hall of Fame enshrinement ceremony
Aug. 5: Hall of Fame Game: Arizona vs. New Orleans, Canton, Ohio, 8 p.m. ET
Aug. 9: Preseason: Green Bay at San Diego, 8 p.m. ET (ESPN)
Aug. 13: Preseason: Dallas at Oakland, 8 p.m. ET (ESPN)
Aug. 20: Preseason: Philadelphia at New England, 8 p.m. ET (ESPN)
Aug. 23: Preseason: Arizona at Tennessee, 8 p.m. ET (ESPN)
Aug. 28: Roster cutdown to 80 players
Sept. 2: Roster cutdown to 53 players.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
The raiders should of used their 7th round pick on OLB Tyler Nielsen. His very good in coverage and is solid against the run. Very underrated player. If it wasn’t for injuries, he would of gone much higher in the draft. He ended up signing with the Vikings.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
there are still the second round of cuts .. and that’s just as good as drafted a late rounder at the position or signing one in the UDFA pool. If the additions of Bartell, Spencer, and Pat Lee do these guys no good and get lit up in training camp, i have no doubt they’ll be making plays for one or two CB’s.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
comments on 5th rounders from PFW, including why some players who were of interest to the semis slid in draft
1 (136) Indianapolis Colts: DT Josh Chapman, Alabama
Chapman is a massive, bad-bodied, short-armed, inside clogger who played through an ACL injury as a senior and has the type of toughness that Chuck Pagano likes in his defense.
8 (143) Carolina Panthers: CB Josh Norman, Coastal Carolina
The Panthers prefer long, strong cornerbacks with ball skills and they landed one in Norman, the star of the East-West Shrine Game. If he becomes half the player he thinks he will, he’ll find himself in the Pro Bowl. His ego needs to be kept in check, but he does have unique talent to develop.
13 (148) Detroit Lions (from Oakland): CB Chris Greenwood, Albion (Mich.)
The small-school prospect has a very intriguing size-speed combination and caught fire, posting a 43-inch vertical jump at his pro day. Revisiting his tape showed a lot of reasons to be excited, as he made plays on the ball and he could be a diamond in the rough. He is a smart pick for GM Martin Mayhew.
28 (163) Green Bay Packers (from New England): OLB Terrell Manning, North Carolina State
Manning has good size and very good production, but he functions best when protected and free to roam to the ball. His value in Green Bay is most likely to come on special teams, where he has a core-teamer temperament.
29 (164) Atlanta Falcons (from Baltimore): DE Jonathan Massquoi, Troy
John Abraham turns 34 in May, Ray Edwards underachieved last season and Lawrence Sidbury has been slow to develop, leaving a need for more edge-rushing speed. Character concerns pushed down Massaquoi’s draft status, but he has shown big-time flashes as a pass rusher as a junior when he played at a lighter weight and could find a rotational role if he can be managed properly and straightens out his attitude.
35 (170) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory selection): RB Vick Ballard, Mississippi State
As Chuck Pagano seeks to rebuild a team in the physical image of the Ravens, the Colts added a big back who can run with some power. However, Ballard must prove that he will show up against top competiton.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
baller916 Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
The raiders should of used their 7th round pick on OLB Tyler Nielsen. His very good in coverage and is solid against the run. Very underrated player. If it wasn’t for injuries, he would of gone much higher in the draft. He ended up signing with the Vikings.
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okay, we’ll make a note of this and check back in 5 years to see if you or new Reggime is right
April 28th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
i hear the same comments about anyone else that showed “flashes” in college… but yes, i would have liked Chapman.. CHAPS MY AZZ i tells ya!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
DVD will be one the main cover corners on this team for the next 5-6 years minimum. All the Al Davis haters want his players gone even if there’s no one to replace them. You don’t throw players with that kids skillset away corners are hard to find.
Anyone who says Mr D couldn’t draft corners is either stupid lying or both.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
R8eray Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
NFL Network AFC WEST GRADES
1. Chiefs B+
2. Chargers B+
3. Broncos B-
4. Raiders C
$$$$$$$$$$$$
That’s too harsh. I say B-.
I like the past 2 drafts better.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Aaron Henry take-
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1147579-2012-nfl-draft-the-6-biggest-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-aaron-henrys-game/page/4
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Looks like a great prospect. Love the fact he was all Big 10 2nd team in 2010 and 1st team in 2011.
Did we sign him?
April 28th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Not bad for their 1st draft as rookie GM and HC.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I smell a debate…
April 28th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
I want the kid from Pitt B Lindsey.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Al Davis was the best in the history of the draft….no question about it…none…
He could draft for any position…not just Corner’s…
I don’t see where anyone is arguing for anything else….
Is DVD a good example of that skill….
NOPE….it is not…
Will DVD have any sort of quality playing time this year…….after today…we better hope so!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Raider O Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
I want the kid from Pitt B Lindsey.
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Looks like he’s going to the Steelers. Bummer.
Sammy Brown is going to the Rams. Disappointing, but oh well.
Cordarro Law is still out there, as are Hebron Fangupo and Steven Baker.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Kaelin Burnett is interesting. DE/OLB hybrid type.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Why can’t anyone tell me who this “guru” person is?
Is it one of our writers?
I know Jerry would make a quality personnel guy from what I’ve read…..
Who is it Coach Allen was refereeing to?
April 28th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Nevermind. Fangupo to the Texans.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Still available:
DE/OLB Cordarro Law
NT Hebron Fangupo
OT Steven Baker
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Sign them Reggie.
Law has potential.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Lance Lewis picked the Redskins over the Raiders
April 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
What happened to the balls that used to exist in this blog?
Where is the passion?
It is draft day and you could hear a pin drop in here….
April 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Ostensibly,
six players reportedly have been signed by the Raiders since the draft ended. Here’s the list, which has not been confirmed by the Raiders:
Wisconsin safety Aaron Henry, Fort Valley State punter Marquette King, Beloit wide receiver Derek Carrier, Pittsburgh defensive end Brandon Lindsey, Pittsburgh defensive lineman Lucas Nix and Missouri defensive lineman Dominique Hamilton.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
don’t know backstage. that is kind of weird.
i love the LB depth now vs a few days ago .. when we had like 5 on the roster!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Lindsey had an explosive 10 yard split at 1.56.
Sign C Law!
April 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Thx for the info YA. Great work this draft. I enjoyed reading your posts.
April 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Lindsey is off this list.
Nix is a O-lineman not D-lineman
April 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
XRaided….I like the depth at LB too…good point…
Seems like we’ll be adjusting between an EVEN and an ODD front….
Which I like…
April 28th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Is Derek Carrier a WR or TE?
April 28th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Draft season is my favorite season around here.
Good chats, O. And the rest of you, as well.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Good video on the Christo Kid…He must have played soccer growing up. He has exceptional footwork, can change direction on a dime…
April 28th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
comments on 6th rounders from PFW, including why some players who were of interest to the semis slid in draft
6 (176) Jacksonville Jaguars: CB Mike Harris, Florida State
Harris graded out like a mid-round pick on tape, but slid to the sixth round after an average showing at the Combine. He needs to get stronger, but is competitive and could work his way into nickel packages.
7 (177) Arizona Cardinals (from Washington): S Justin Bethel, Presbyterian
Solid Combine showing elevated Bethel’s draft stock, but he does not have enough urgency or toughness for safety and lacks cornerback movement skills. Showed playmaking ability at the small-school level and potential special-teams value.
18 (188) Denver Broncos (from New York Jets): OLB Danny Trevathan, Kentucky
The Broncos have had success with undersized Kentucky LB Wesley Woodyard on the roster and Trevathan had similar production in the SEC. Trevathan never ran before the draft because of a hamstring injury. Has some underachiever traits, a lot of production came downfield and will need to learn what it means to be a pro to make it.
19 (189) Oakland Raiders: DE Christo Bilukidi, Georgia State
An underrated, late-rising prospect who worked out exceptionally well at his pro day, Bilukidi has the raw tools to develop into a contributor.
20 (190) Tennessee Titans: FS Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
Injury concerns pushed Martin down draft boards, as did his inconsistent open-field tackling, but he has the physical tools to easily earn a roster spot.
23 (193) Washington Redskins (from Pittsburgh): OT Tom Compton, South Dakota
The Redskins added two very solid developmental blockers in the third (Josh LeRibeus) and the fifth (Adam Gettis) and added another in the sixth with the selection of Compton, infusing their offensive line with much-needed depth. All three have eventual starter potential and the quickness to excel in Mike Shanahan’s offense.
25 (195) Houston Texans: OT Nick Mondek, Purdue
An intriguing developmental prospect, Mondek tested extremely well at his pro day. While still very green, has freakish explosion and quickness to blossom.
28 (198) Baltimore Ravens: WR Tommy Streeter, Miami (Fla.)
On paper, Streeter might look like a top-round pick, but his lack of toughness and confidence show noticeably on tape and he must refine his route running and learn the finer points of the game to make it.
32 (202) New York Jets (compensatory selection): RB Terrance Ganaway, Baylor
Ganaway is a poor man’s Shonn Greene and really came on as a senior. A disappointing Combine workout pushed down his draft status, but he has tools to contribute on first and second downs and in a rotation.
34 (204) Cleveland Browns (compensatory selection): OLB Emmanuel Acho, Texas
Acho is bad-bodied, knock-kneed and stiff, but he can compete for a job on special teams with a strong makeup, work habits and intelligence.
35 (205) Cleveland Browns (compensatory selection): DT Billy Winn, Boise State
Winn has caught the eyes of evaluators the past two years with his physical talent, but he always leaves you wanting more. Has underachiever tendencies and a disappointing Combine performance dropped his draft standing. If line coach Dwaine Board can light a fire underneath Winn, he could turn out to be a steal.
36 (206) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory selection): WR Lavon Brazill, Ohio
Brazill flashed playmaking ability for the Bobcats and consistently made plays, but questions about his intelligence and makeup concerned some teams. If he can be managed properly, he can become a good pro.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Just heard Gregg Knapp’s nephew signed with us!!
Keepin it in the family…cool!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
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April 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
don’t you hate it when sentences don’t end the way you octopus? nite nation
April 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Best value pick, JCRIENER
Raiders steal of the draft CHRISTO…
April 28th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Just want to take a sec to say I like where our writers are headed in their careers….
It’s not the objective view one might find on the East Coast….not too much competition for attention among our guys….but they are improving in their assessment of our team…
I for one….appreciate it….
I would like it even more if they didn’t toe the line of friendship with out Coaches though….
Do you job fellas…and call things the way you see em…it is not your job to help this team sell tickets…
It is your job to be objective….
Whoever asked the question about the DB’s today gets an A+ draft grade from me….and I’ll call you a guru if I want to…I don’t care how Coach Allen views it….I can think for myself….
We are at a pivotal time in this organization and it’s leadership…
When things go bad….we will find out what we’ve got…..until then….the jury is out!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Thec Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Best value pick, JCRIENER
Raiders steal of the draft CHRISTO…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Best Value pick: WR J Criner
Raiders Steal: LB Miles Burris
Go Aztecs!!!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Miles Burris will continue our tradition of having great success in the 4th round. Bush, Branch, and Burris.
Print that!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
And J Ford!!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
NFL Draft Scout had Henry projected as a 4th-5th round pick. Decent measurables. Productive player. Wonder why he went undrafted?
April 28th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Moore, Ford, Heyward-Bey, Criner…
Then – Murphy, Carrier, McGee, Calhoun
Pretty good selection. Competition in training camp should be interesting.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
The Utah OG, Burris, and Criner will start for the Raiders. Burris and the OG have a better chance to start this season, but I think Criner will become a starter too. The kid can play.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Isn’t Carrier a TE? He is 6′3 240.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Who is BUrris starting in front of? Wheeler?
I doubt that!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Post-Draft-Press-Conference/df0ab6fe-83ee-422b-83fc-8b7ffae21af7
April 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
XRaided….I like the depth at LB too…good point…
Seems like we’ll be adjusting between an EVEN and an ODD front….
Which I like…
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absolutely. I like Tollefson in front of Wheeler in a 4-3 or Burris lining up behind Desmond Bryant in a 3-4 situation. that’s what this defense will look like. just multiple looks with fresh legs everywhere. ME LIKEY!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I don’t see Criner starting. I’d put him no better than 6th in the pecking order right now. Not trying to knock him. He’s got some skills. But 4.7 for an NFL WR leaves something to be desired.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
If we play 3-4, Burris can be the 4th LB (OLB), and he can compete with Wheeler (who signed a 1 yr contract for the vet’s min.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
What Burris brings from my perspective is some healthy competition…
Saying he is a starter outta the gate doesn’t solve any problems…
Let the men compete…
Lord knows the kid has to be better that Blackstock!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
comments on 7th rounders from PFW, including why some players who were of interest to the semis slid in draft
3 (210) Minnesota Vikings: LB Audie Cole, North Carolina State
Might not look or test the part, but he is a good, solid football player with versatility and make-it toughness and intelligence.
5 (212) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Michael Smith, Utah State
Compactly built speedster who shared carries with Robert Turbin, but has intriguing workout numbers, production and receiving ability to make a roster.
7 (214) Indianapolis Colts (from Jacksonville through New York Jets): DE Tim Fugger, Vanderbilt
Fugger was snubbed by the Combine, but gained steam after performing well at his pro day, prompting teams to revisit his tape and see a high-motor defensive end with some pass-rush ability and special-teams value.
8 (215) Miami Dolphins: DT Kheeston Randall, Texas
Randall is a plugger who could serve as two-down five-technique in Kevin Coyle’s defense.
9 (216) Carolina Panthers: FS D.J. Campbell, California
Athletic, late-rising, size-speed free safety prospect who blew up his pro day and has developmental value.
10 (217) Washington Redskins (from Buffalo): SS Jordan Bernstine, Iowa
Height-weight-speed prospect lacking instincts and feel for the game. Needs to stay healthy to stick.
11 (218) Kansas City Chiefs: DE Jerome Long, San Diego State
Developmental five-technique with prototype size for the position but average athletic ability.
12 (219) Minnesota Vikings (from Seattle through Detroit): DE Trevor Guyton, California
GM Rick Spielman landed a steal in the seventh round with Guyton, a strong, intense, competitive performer who will outplay his draft statuts.
16 (223) Detroit Lions (from Philadelphia through New England and Minnesota): OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
Character concerns pushed Lewis to the final round, but he has been a very productive four-year starter who has an edge that Jim Schwartz embraces in his locker room and could find a place on special teams out of the gate.
17 (224) New England Patriots (from New York Jets through Green Bay): CB Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
An arrest a week before the draft dropped Dennard to the seventh round, but he has starter-caliber traits as a nickel cornerback and could be very well worth the risk in a strong, veteran locker room that polices itself.
19 (226) San Diego Chargers: C David Molk, Michigan
Molk was a non-consideration for many teams because of his lack of size and stumpy build, but he is a good, functional football player whom the Chargers might have stolen in the seventh round.
20 (227) Miami Dolphins (from Tennessee): WR Rishard Matthews, Nevada
GM Jeff Ireland plucked two receivers in the later rounds that are well-suited for Joe Philbin’s offense in B.J. Cunningham and Matthews, a strong-after-the-catch runner with tools to develop into a solid “Z.”
29 (236) Baltimore Ravens: DT Deangelo Tyson, Georgia
Good-sized, thickly built, unexplosive, short-area block occupyer whose competitiveness gives him a chance to stick.
30 (237) San Francisco 49ers: OLB Cam Johnson, Virginia
Johnson has legitimate rush talent but needs to find his heart if he wants to have staying power in the league. Learning from former Virginia Cavalier Ahmad Brooks might help improve his chances.
43 (250) San Diego Chargers (compensatory selection): RB Edwin Baker, Michigan State
Strong, compactly built zone runner with small hands who needs to learn to hang on to the ball. Is tough and powerful for his size and could be a seventh-round steal.
46 (253) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory selection): QB Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois
Harnish is a tough, intense, hardworking, athletic passer who can be expected to hold down the No. 3 job as a rookie, but has solid backup potential and is an excellent value choice so late in the draft.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
If we play a 3-4….(not disagreeing with you)..who is our NOSE?
April 28th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Feeling much better about the LB corps now with the additions of Wheeler and Burris. Always liked Curry. Hopefully Goethel can stay healthy.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Criner will compete for playing time right away. May not be a starter, but he’ll be featured in certain packages. He has a skill set the other WRs don’t.
Burris will be a rush LB in 3-4 looks. Might play across from Tollefson with McClain and Wheeler in the middle.
Bergstrom could very well be the starting LG by the time the season begins.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
If we play a 3-4….(not disagreeing with you)..who is our NOSE?
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Keep an eye on Dom Hamilton.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7+ 40, and I’m not comparing him to Boldin, but just pointing out that you don’t need to be fast to have success as a WR (if you have size and hands). Look at Boldin and Colston.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I have a feeling Mayock will have to apologize to the Raider Nation for not knowing who this Christo Kid is and laughing at the pick.
The Dude looks like a beast, can’t wait too see him go up against NFL talent
April 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Ivey as of right now ..
i realize there aren’t any 0tech DT’s on the roster as of yet, in order to execute what DA’s actually speaking to, which is implementing a 3-4 look as well. they don’t define themselves as “one kind of style” ..
so this leads one to believe they will look elsewhere for that kind of guy. they seem to think they can find a hole plugger in the middle somewhere else besides the draft, or they think he’s already on the roster.
it is a head scratcher to be certain
April 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Raiders-Draft-Room-Exclusive/53dd5b18-6c8a-42fc-ac2e-4e60b2165942#start
April 28th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
I think Criner would do well to see as much action as Chaz saw last year. If he does well he could be utilized to help move the chains and in the red zone.
But if you watch the highlights you can see he doesn’t get any separation, and that’s against college DBs. Like his ability to catch in traffic though. Reminiscent of Chaz.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
I’m not saying these kids should be penciled in as starters. I’m just making predictions.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
111. yes that would be nice. he’s a Raider Hater all day long.
the thought that keeps comforting me is the fact that no one complimented the Raiders on last year’s draft, and we struck two players that belonged in the top 15 of the 2011 draft, WizII and D. Moore all day!
i strongly believe they have done that again, this time on the defensive side of the ball.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Criner>Chaz .. i see him getting downs this year. ESPECIALLY if he can block well like they say he can. DMC’s best friend! the man gets blocked instead of diving at Darren’s foot, hurting him once more for 10 games.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I don’t see Criner starting. I’d put him no better than 6th in the pecking order right now. Not trying to knock him. He’s got some skills. But 4.7 for an NFL WR leaves something to be desired.
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Fred Biletnikoff speed…late career Jerry Rice/Tim Brown speed. ATQUAN BOLDIN RAN A 4.8 FORTY COMING OUT OF COLLEGE. If he ran a better 40, he would have gone 2-3 rounds higher. We need a possession/ red zone receiver and this guy scored 32 TDs in college. Rated very highly by some evaluators 3rd round. PFW didn’t like him. We’ll see in 5 years who’s right
April 28th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
If we play a 3-4….(not disagreeing with you)..who is our NOSE?
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Keep an eye on Dom Hamilton.
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That’s an idea, or one of our current DTs can play NT (not my preference), or we may add a NT later. According to Allen, he thinks they will run both 3-4 & 4-3.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Alabama sends 8 guys to the NFL. Four in the 1st round. Not bad at all.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Aubrayo Franklin is still unsigned. So that’s technically still an option, although an unlikely one.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I think Chaz is a better WR, but he couldn’t stay healthy to compete.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Chris:
they would have to keep a tall safety on him, because a CB will get pushed around all day in the run game and Palmer will place balls over their heads for him to snag all day! his hands are superior to that of any receiver on our team outside of possibly D. Moore(minus the bouncers off his arms a few times)
April 28th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
no better than 6th in the pecking order right now.
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who cares where I or you or anyone sees him in the pecking order right now. Lets see how he competes in camp and check back in September
late round guys, first year players, street free agents, UDFAs–you can’t count on any one guy, but if you have several decent shot types to compete against each other, the best man wins, and you usually have someone decent.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Raider O Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7+ 40, and I’m not comparing him to Boldin, but just pointing out that you don’t need to be fast to have success as a WR (if you have size and hands). Look at Boldin and Colston.
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Fair point. I did love Boldin coming out of FSU. He played much faster and was a much better athlete than his 40 time suggested. Arizona scooped him up around pick No. 40. Don’t know that Criner is in that class, but of course it’s all speculation at this point. We won’t know much for awhile.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
And he didn’t earn the trust of the coaching staff due to his injury issues. Too bad.
Go Aztecs!!!!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
well that’s very hard to say O.
Chaz didn’t play a whole lot.
he finally did last year, but was irrelevent.
now he downgrades to MARK SANCHEZ or possibly TEBONER as his QBs. smooth move guy!
i like Crines’ chances more with an elite QB throwing to him. yes i said ELITE NAPALMER!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Boise St. sends six.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Derek Carrier is one to watch out for too at WR.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
CHRIS!
Boldin runs great routes. something they say Crimes is very good at. you can tell in his tape. he cuts very smoothly .. faking his defender out. if you get even a little seperation with that big of a body on a small CB, advantage goes to you! catching balls over his head for the TD is something to reckon with also. could be Carson’s best friend … WHO KNOWS! i can dream!
April 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
*Crines
April 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
GG i havent seen tape on him. i’ve looked around and can’t find any..
April 28th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Arizona scooped him up around pick No. 40.
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Funny, i was just on a site that had him projected him going to carolina pick no 40.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Georgia sends 7
April 28th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
@115 I gotcha Radier O…nothing wrong with predictions…if Burris performs…you’ll be right…
As far as having a true NOSE…if we are just jumping in and out of EVEN and ODD fronts…we are gonna want to do it with the same personnel….otherwise it defeats the purpose in doing it….
The opposing Coaches will know pre snap based on how many LBs or Defensive Lineman we have in the game….
I think we can pull it off with Kelly at Nose….he can 2 GAP when needed…even Seymour has the ability to take up 2 blocks….which is essentially the job of the NOSE in the 3/4…
The adjuster ousidebacker in 3-4 /5tech in 4-3 would have to be Tolfson/Burris/ or Wheeler….with the Defensive Line Being HOuston Kelly and Seymour and/or Shannessey.
We can do it…and when we get good at it…can disguise our intention and move in and out of it….
April 28th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
alzadoX Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I don’t see Criner starting. I’d put him no better than 6th in the pecking order right now. Not trying to knock him. He’s got some skills. But 4.7 for an NFL WR leaves something to be desired.
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Fred Biletnikoff speed…late career Jerry Rice/Tim Brown speed. ATQUAN BOLDIN RAN A 4.8 FORTY COMING OUT OF COLLEGE. If he ran a better 40, he would have gone 2-3 rounds higher. We need a possession/ red zone receiver and this guy scored 32 TDs in college. Rated very highly by some evaluators 3rd round. PFW didn’t like him. We’ll see in 5 years who’s right
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Bitletnikoff and Boldin maybe. Tim Brown was in the 4.3s coming out of Notre Dame. Rice was 4.5-4.6. Both 1st round picks and all-time greats. Criner is a 5th rounder. Not saying he can’t be good, but I think he projects to more of a role player.
I recall Boldin as a 4.7 guy. He went fairly early in Round 2, so he really couldn’t have gone 2-3 rounds higher.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
that Christo kid has some awesome footwork…
His agility and change of direction is really good.
Must have played a lot of soccer growing up.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Chrus,
You are right about his separation issue, but the kid still managed to have great production.
Last 3 years: 203 catches, 2,781 yards, ans 31 TDs. That’s impressive.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
135,
I’m also an Aztec. lol
April 28th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
138,
Sorry, I mean Chris. My mistake.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Thec:
seeing what you’re saying. another smart, strong, and agile player on our defense. we must try something new!
i know you’re liking the new LB depth on the team.. at very least.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Miles Burris Reminds me of the water boy movie.Hes a savage and he wears the same number.!!!!LOL
April 28th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
lol
April 28th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNZLrvy09Oc
April 28th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I hope we sign DT Armond Armstead. He has a lot of potential. Moves well for his size, and is a versatile player.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Armstead would be nice.. didn’t someone sign him, maybe not?
April 28th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
142. haha that’s awesome.
he does look like BOBBEH BOUSCHE’ when he plays a little. he just has that quick shuttle ability(best in the draft) and is very fast for his size. i have a great feeling that between he and Wheeler, we have our starters at OLB.
if that happens, that’s a truly giant gaping hole filler for our front 7. it has been quite a few years since we’ve had good players that work hard at the position.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
criner is more prototypical #1 wr than anyone on our roster
April 28th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Irjonny Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
criner is more prototypical #1 wr than anyone on our roster
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I think he will start, but I don’t think it will be next season.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Hot Shot Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Miles Burris Reminds me of the water boy movie.Hes a savage and he wears the same number.!!!!LOL
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Too funny.
April 28th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
There’s a couple tiny videos on Carrier in this link. Click the images to pop up the video player.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=112663&draftyear=2012&genpos=TE
April 28th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
35. Niiice!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
i know you’re liking the new LB depth on the team.. at very least.
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Truth…We were sorely lacking…Glad we went mostly D…
April 28th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
UDFAs of expressed interest by semis who we didn’t get
Hebron Fangupo NT Texans
Steven Baker OT Colts
Sammy Brown LB Rams
Hoffman-Ellis LB Rams
Derrick Coleman RB Vikes
per
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012-nfl-undrafted-free-agents
April 28th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
148. Hes got football speed. His 4.68 doesnt reflect his on field speed.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
153. Agreed. We need LB depth especially if we plan to go more 3-4
April 28th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I like most of our picks. I wasn’t too happy with the G from Utah, and I don’t know much about our 6th round pick DL. Other than that, I think Reggie is doing a great Job. I like our URFA too. I think Derek Carrier will play TE. He had good production in college, he is 6′3, 240, and ran a 4.5 40.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Alz, Reggie would be wise to get 2 out of that pack there.. namely Fangupo .. Reggie seems to think we’re good for now on DT’s … hopefully someone on the roster can play 0tech.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I like URFA DE/ OLB Cordarro Law.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
5 min game highlights of Beloit vs Monmouth in 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyvMIybKH8
April 28th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
fema sent you these flowers because this show is gonna be a disaster.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
159. Good call!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
I wonder if Miles Burris envisions people making fun of him like the water boy!!!!LOL
April 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
I think AL is happy with most of our picks except for the slow WR. AL would never allow us to draft a WR who ran 4.7 40.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Latest News
03/22/2012 – Linebacker Miles Burris bent his knees Wednesday, dug his white cleats into the green turf, and shot backward into the air at San Diego State’s pro day. A backflip. Not the kind of maneuver that will send scouts scrambling to reorganize their draftboard – “if you ever see anyone doing that in a game, let me know,” one quipped – but it’s the latest piece to a message Burris is out to send. At 6-feet-2, 236 pounds, the ex-Aztecs captain wants to prove he’s athletic enough to fit in with any NFL team, and theatrics aside, he seemed to build his case during a final audition before April’s draft. A bare-chested Burris fared well in the 40-yard dash, where most scouts clocked him at about 4.67 seconds. But it was the three-cone drill, timed in the range of 6.80-6.85 seconds, that sent SDSU’s top tackler and sack leader into a midair tizzy. “It was kind of spur of the moment,” Burris, 23, said of the backflip that drew the day’s loudest ovation from spectators. “I felt good in that drill, so I went for it … “I think I’ve been able to show I have versatility. Some teams project me at (strongside linebacker). Sometimes, it’s the two inside guys or an outside-rush guy. Everyone has their own opinion, but I think that works for me. I really do believe I can play any linebacker position in any scheme.” Burris is projected to be drafted somewhere on Day 3, when rounds 4-7 are held. – Michael Gehlken, U-T San Diego
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Burris was recruited by several Pac-12 schools out of high school and originally committed to BYU, but ended up at San Diego State where he was a leader on defense the past three seasons, including as captain in 2011. He had outstanding college production, finishing with 235 total tackles. He is one of the toughest players in the draft with high football intangibles, work ethic and smarts for the next level. He shows a top motor with no quit in him. Burris is a tad limited athletically, which limits his ability to drop in coverage, but he plays with an attacking mentality and always seems around the ball. He is most productive near the line of scrimmage and pro coaches …
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Strengths: Firm, muscle-bound frame with adequate length. Good athlete with sideline-to-sideline range and body control to be effective in space. Very good chase speed. Workout warrior in the weight room and that same strength shows up on the field. Physical, active defender who attacks the play with a violent mentality. Very tough and works hard to the play with an aggressive mean streak. Takes decisive angles and is the quarterback of the defense. Plays with a nonstop motor and carries himself like a pro. Has some versatility to him and if he doesn?t know how to do it, he wants to learn. Applies coaching and showed steady improvement each year. Was productive in college as a three-year starter, combining for
235 tackles and 47.0 tackles for loss. Weaknesses: Slender body type and looks maxed-out physically. Stiff and tight-hipped, lacking ideal fluidity. Choppy footwork and takes too long when attempting to redirect. Plays overaggressive and needs to stay disciplined. Over runs plays and doesn?t always take the most accurate route to the ball. Can get caught up in the action and needs to anticipation blocks to avoid contact in tight areas. Needs to consistently break down and finish in space. Will leave some production on the field. Not as natural in reverse when asked to drop in coverage and his cover skills need refined. — Dane Brugler
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PacificDiver February 15, 2012 3:06 pmMiles Burris is a good self motivating linebacker with the size, speed and strength to play at any of the linebacker positions. Actually, he has the strength to play on the line and the football smarts to play safety. The current draft projections show him going late in the draft, … if so, who ever drafts him will be getting a steal. Look for Burris to be an NFL All Star within three years.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
All this 3-4 talk and we really should be discussing our secondary…
WHY?
Oh, I don’t know…
Because we play Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning twice…
Having an ODD front against the QBs isn’t going to matter much!
Just Sayin’
April 28th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Who cares what the NFL Network grades are….they don’t mean jack….
We had a good draft….based on 1 point….our guys picked what “THEY” wanted….which Al Davis would have wanted from them….
That being said, I would have taken Josh Norman with our 129 and we could have picked Burris @ 158…but what do I know?
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You keep saying this but ignore what the Jags did in between. They would have taken Burris right out from under us. Really look at the two LBrs. They would have taken Burris in a heartbeat.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
2 years in a row we get a really good wr in the 5th…
Not sure how DMO, and JCriner lasted to the 5th…
April 28th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Predicted weeks ago that burfict would go udfa…
Did anyone sign him?
April 28th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I think the Raiders have addressed the AFC West in their draft and signings. They grabbed a bunch of veteran smart CBs, and they’ve drafted and FA signed a bunch of DEs/DTs/OLBs.
We’re gonna have to pressure Rivers and Manning, otherwise it’ll be tough. It’s about the pressure from the front 7.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Thec Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Predicted weeks ago that burfict would go udfa…
Did anyone sign him?
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Bengals.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Bengals.
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Fitting…
April 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
UDFA Signings…
Oakland Raiders
Marqutte King, P, Fort Valley State
Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
Dominique Hamilton, DT, Missouri
Chaz Powell, CB, Penn State
Thomas Mayo, WR, Cal (Pa)
Lucas Nix, OG, Pitt
Conroy Black, CB, Utah
Dan Knapp, OL, Arizona State
Derek Carrier, TE, Beloit
Darius Nall, DE, UCF (TRYOUT)
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Is Dan Knapp a relative of Greg Knapp?
If so, we could call that ‘knappotism’ lol
April 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Burris fared well in the 40-yard dash, where most scouts clocked him at about 4.67 seconds.He looks way faster than that when hes playing in the game.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
You Peoole keep talking about Denver and SD but you are forgetting KC. They will have a good defense, and they will try to run the ball and control the clock. Very good team IMO. Manning should have went there. I think they have more talent than Denver.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
We’re gonna have to pressure Rivers and Manning, otherwise it’ll be tough. It’s about the pressure from the front 7.
BURRIS WILL KILL BOTH QBs
April 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Denver and KC improved alot
April 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
@167….we will never know 1960AutumnWind….
April 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Conroy black ran a 4.35 40.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Chargers will be in last place in the division.We always hurt half their o line every time we play them.The other teams are better than them.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Manning should have gone to SF….but I’m glad he is in Denver…
Against Manning and Rivers….it won’t be a front 7 2/3 of the time…nickle will be on the field the most of the game…
April 28th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Carrier last 2 seasons: 139 catches, 2,294 yards, and 24 TDs. He is 6′3 240, and he ran a 4.5 40.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Everyone keeps talking about Burris…the kid is exciting…but if we can’t cover in the secondary none of this is going to matter….all anyone needs to do is put on the tape of last seasons final game….
I know there were many variables involved in that game…but in the games we crumbled last season one could make the argument it was the secondary…(and the pass rush)…
Buffalo
Detroit
San Diego (Game 2)
Our secondary must play sound football….
Sadly….from my view point at this moment…this season…we are under par…and far worse than we have been in years at the position!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
181,
Manning wanted full control of the offense, so SF with Harbaugh wasn’t going to be a great fit. You are right about the talent.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Denver messed up by getting rid of Tebow.They got rid of him for manning whos career is winding down.Manning will be lucky to make it through the season.Manning dont have that good o line he had Indy.Look how much Tebow had to run around last year.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Our starting corners as it stands:
Spencer-last season 5 tackles in 9 games- 0 INTs
Bartell-last season played 1 game-1 tackle 0 INTs
And who is our nickle corner…..HUFF probably as it stands…with GIORDANO and BRANCH at safety…
Huff aint a nickle corner by a long shot….
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All this being said:
I ask again…who is the guru referred to in this BLOG?
Who asked the question about us not picking up a DB today?
ANYONE?
April 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
ANYONE
April 28th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
The “C” grade from NFLN was comprised by Michael Lombardi.
The grades he gives are based on “at the end of the day” how the draft addressed your team needs.
It’s interesting that Lombardi has been on an Al Davis praise fest ever since he passed. Lombardi was waxing nostalgic about how the Combine wasn’t the same w/o Al’s intimidating “presence” there, and there have been other times where he has really gone overboard with his praise for Al sinced he’s passed.
My take is that Lombardi doesn’t necessarily like the new regime distancing itself so much from the Al Davis era despite Lombardi himself being a former casualty of Raider upper management.
A couple wks. ago he was saying how he(Lombardi) and Belichik ’stole’ ideas they learned from Al and took them to Cleveland.
That’s just my take on it from hearing Lombardi gush so much about Al since his passing. I have not heard him say anything of praise about the new regime.
There’s some bitterness I sense in the whole thing.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
backstage: i have more faith in this CB that you do i guess. Pat Lee could be a good choice. we’ll just have to wait and see what Checkwa does also. he did fill in nicely last year.
DVD can be good if he learns to locate the ball.
it is a little too much up in the air at this point for my liking..
we’ll see what the second round of cuts bring.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Im outta here…
“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see”
April 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
188. that’s rich coming from the biggest hater every since he started with NFLN .. what a tool he is. i could care less what the grades are at this point. i’ll go back to last year’s “C” rating .. that’s easily a B+ at this point, especially if Moore really breaks on the scene with 1000+ yards and big play TD’s all over the place, which he is likely to do with Palmer in 2012.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
YES BACK DONT BE A SUCKUH!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Pat Lee in 2011
16 games-10 Tackles
What a Savior!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
All this being said:
I ask again…who is the guru referred to in this BLOG?
Who asked the question about us not picking up a DB today?
ANYONE?
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I thought DA was referring to a reporter referring to HIM as a “guru”.
I don’t know which reporter that was.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
CB and a speed edge rusher remain the two shaky spots right now.
I think we’ll blitz often to help bring pressure. I’m hopeful the secondary holds up. I’m liking two of the UFA DBs tied to the Raiders — Utah CB Conroy Black and Wis. safety Aaron Henry. Maybe those guys could factor in.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
We need to pick up Andre Goodman….like yesterday!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
There will be more player available when other teams make cuts.We will see what happens with that.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Nite fellas…Raider Til I Die!
April 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
#188,
I hear ya. Who cares? I agree he used to sound like a real hater to me but he has been over the top with admiration and praise for Al since he’s passed…even “bragging” about his time spent in the front office working with Al for all those years.
Maybe there’s some resentment toward Mark from back then. Maybe he blames Mark for getting canned before. Maybe he thought HE should have gotten consideration for the GM job after Al passed.
Who knows, I just found it interesting that he was gushing so much about the old days with Al and in his praise for him.
Maybe i’m one of the few that finds the dynamics of the old Al regime such an interesting study…for good AND bad.
April 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Hot Shot Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Chargers will be in last place in the division.We always hurt half their o line every time we play them.The other teams are better than them.
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exactly. We took out Diehlman a few years ago and McNeill last year. Now they’ve both bolted the Bolts
we can scare the rest of their OL away too and then kill Phillip Rivers
April 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
priesttj Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Anyone who says Mr D couldn’t draft corners is either stupid lying or both.
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Easy Priest, talk is cheap. Show me Al’s record with DBs since our SB year. You back it up and I will acknowledge it. Here’s a hint. You can’t.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Thec Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
that Christo kid has some awesome footwork…
His agility and change of direction is really good.
Must have played a lot of soccer growing up.
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Yup. He’s a foreigner so good chance he grew up playing soccer. Kid’s agility reminds me of Suh from Detroit. Look at his tape and you see a very agile 300+ lbs guy that is all over the field shedding blockers or taking down ball carriers at full speed. The only caution is it is against I-AA. You watch Poe (KC) and he cannot do the same thing. Poe is the classic look like Tarzan and plays like Jane.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
If we can Better the defensive ranking By 10 to 15 spots then we are getting better,But if we stay the same than its back to the drawing board.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
priesttj Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Anyone who says Mr D couldn’t draft corners is either stupid lying or both.
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Easy Priest, talk is cheap. Show me Al’s record with DBs since our SB year. You back it up and I will acknowledge it. Here’s a hint. You can’t.
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Nnamdi was an AD pick at CB (2003?). Complete bust? Almost everyone but AD thought he was…at one time
April 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Miles Burris
check out this vid at the 2:05 mark. Kid plows through two Wolverines to get to the runner. Impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VapULyU56To
The Kid’s first step is quite impressive. On top of that he benches 440 and squats 650. Squat is key in football strength imho. You need strong lower body to push the other guy back. The kid is quick and can shed blockers. We got A STEAL.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Alzado,
My point exactly. In the last 10 yrs, he consistently drafted a db in the first 3 rounds and only 1 guy to show for it. Everyone else was a bust either via FA or draft.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
We still need an intimidating FS. I dont see it in Huff. If we ever fill this need, we’d be really good on D.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Everyone keeps talking about Burris…the kid is exciting…but if we can’t cover in the secondary none of this is going to matter….all anyone needs to do is put on the tape of last seasons final game….
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As I mentioned before, Steelers and Ravens dont have good corners but they do have a very good FS. They put pressure via the front 7 and rely on their 1 FS to roam the backfield for support. We need that FS. I think our front 7 will be much improved. The zone can make up the difference in having weak man corners.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
#207,
After last yr. it’s hard for me to picture in my mind the Raiders having a good defense.
I’d love to see it though…it just seems so elusive.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
#208,
Wasn’t Mike Mitchell supposed to be that guy?
Is there any hope he can make transition to BE that guy?
April 28th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
DJ,
I know what you mean Johnny. It will be better this year. I can’t for the life of me seeing CB’s pursuing WRs and when the ball comes not even turning their heads or sticking a hand up.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Mike Mitchell is a slug. All our old defensemen except for Gio, and maybe one or two others will be gone after this 2012 season.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
A new day has dawned.
Rip Al.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
The Steelers and Ravens have Quality Defensive Coaching and Hall of Fame Players on their Defenses….not just in the safety play…
And they play in a run Happy Division…not a division with Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers…
If we just play zone…we’re done!
April 28th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
AIG,
Is it crazy to suggest giving Burris a shot at the MLB position?
He’s supposed to be a real smart guy and he says he can play ANY lb position.
Does he have the size?
April 28th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I dont have a worry at all that the 2012 defense will be in the ballpark of the Ravens, Texans, etc.
here’s why…
last year especially (without Al around) we had everything still geared towards man high safety natural 4 pressure, Al blueprint. The players on the roster, the coaching, all still part of that. When Bres and Hue tried to implement a few different things, it was half-azzed, just a few extra looks and plays installed mid-week.
And we saw a ton of blown assignments, confusion, and players resisting wanting to go back to what they knew and had trained for so many years under the Al system.
But in 2012, the whole coaching staff, playbook, and even defensive roster is being made over, starting from scratch, all the players trained exclusively in this new system from OTAs thru to camp and ever mid-week. Dedicated coaches specializing in 3-4 too, and a whole regime under Reggie that’s defense-orientated.
So the system is in place and the players for that system are installed and everything coached and trained towards that. And with such intense focus on D too, there’ll be a massive difference of improvement from 2011 to 2012.
2012 defense will be like the Texans rise up the ranks last year.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Its a game of matchups….
And right now…we do not match up….PERIOD!
April 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Hardline Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Mike Mitchell is a slug. All our old defensemen except for Gio, and maybe one or two others will be gone after this 2012 season.
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Dum Azz, you just type to hear yourself sound like a wee née.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
GG-you work for the Raiders…don’t you?
April 28th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Seems like an unusually sane and rational conversation from the evening blog. Where are all the freaks?
April 28th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Burris is just shy of 6′3 and 245?
Maybe a tad smaller than the “classic” MLB i guess, but i think that positon demands someone with good smarts.
He does appear to have that “killer” mindset.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Is it just me, or was today the busiest blog day ever. Steve and Jer were smokin hot at the post. Smokin! Word!
April 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
What’s his name? The big slow receiver we drafted? He thinks he isn’t a candidate for playing TE? I wouldn’t be so sure he isn’t going to be groomed for just that.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Criner.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
GG-
Last season we were a quarter away from the playoffs for the first time in 10 years…
and you’re trying to sell that we will be like the Texans defense from last season….LOL
Need I remind you we beat the Texans!
We lost last year because we beat ourselves…point blank….PERIOD….
This year…all we have to go on so far is the draft…which….IMO…went well…with an exception of the attention to our secondary….
Do you disagree with that?
April 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
I heard a quote from Leinart that it was pretty much “fait accompli” that he was coming to Oakland to sign a contract, but what we hear from DA and Reggie is he’s going to “try out” for the backup gig.
I wonder if this is a bit of cockiness on Leinert’s part.
There better be a bit of desperation on Leinarts part cuz i’m not sure there’s many suitors for his services outside of Oaktown.
He’d better “bring it” to his tryout…for his own career’s sake.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Backstage,
I dont disagree with you. But to say that you need good corners to win is prob not correct. Look at teams that have won the SB lately and how many of them have good or great corners. How much impact have Revis and Nnamdi done for their teams?
A good pass rush is much more valuable than corners imho. The Giants, Steelers, and Ravens all have a solid front 7 that puts pressure on the QB and mess up the timing.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
The lone knock on Criner is his speed. He was clocked at anywhere from 4.6-4.68 seconds in the 40-yard dash in pre-draft workouts.
He is viewed as a receiver with above-average hands, solid route-running and nice blockings skills.
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Yup.. TE
April 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
218.J R Myers Says:
Hardline Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Mike Mitchell is a slug. All our old defensemen except for Gio, and maybe one or two others will be gone after this 2012 season.
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Dum Azz, you just type to hear yourself sound like a wee née.
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Myers,
I was talking to DJJohnny, and not you. Since you butted in and are obviously a football genius, and because you called me a disparaging name, may I call you Professor Einstein ?
So, Einstein, what would be your brilliant reply to DJ Johnny’s comment ???
April 28th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
DJ,
Huge MM34 fan here. I even predicted Al would draft him in the 2nd round. I believe my post is still on MM34’s college youtube right before we drafted him. But I overlooked one thing. Madden Raider, as much as I dont like him, was 100% correct when he asked why MM34 never won any accolades in his conference. We all know why now. The guy is not consistent at all.
As for Burris, I dont think they want him as MLB. I think they want him to rush the QB so prob playing outside replacing Wimbley. Kid is a STUD.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
In order to get to the playoffs we are most likely going to need to win our division.
To win our division we are going to need to beat the Chargers, Chiefs, and Broncos.
The Chargers Chiefs and Broncos will have our Nickle Corner on the field at least 2/3 of the snaps when we compete against them….and that’s if the game is close….If we are winning…it will be a higher percentage…if we are losing…it doesn’t really matter…
So…to beat those teams we are going to need to cover at least 3 WRs and a TE….or 2 WRs and 2 TEs….
To do that we need corners…
Refer to post #186 and #193 for what recent experience we totaled from our supposed 2012 starters…
And today…we didn’t draft anything remotely close to a cover skills player….
Just Sayin
April 28th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Back,
We didnt draft them. We went even better and picked up other team’s starter or veteran. I doubt you think we can pick up immediate starting corners this late in the draft. Our FA corners are immediate contributors. I’ll roll with those guys. I’m more concerned with our front 7.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
And Myers,
Anyone who would spell weenie as “wee ne’e” has to favor pink as his favorite color, if you get my point!
April 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
and again, we beat Rivers last year because we got to him. Wimbley had a career day in SD. SD used to own Manning and that was when Merriman was on steroid. The only way to beat a Manning is by rattling him. No amoutn of dbs will beat Manning.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
@ 227 AIG-
Nice reply…and excellent point..HOWEVER
I never said we needed great corners…nor have we had any in recent years….Nhamdi was good….not great…he was and is paid as if he is great….but he was rarely challenged because teams could beat us in other less risky ways…
Back to my point….
Using last year as a barometer for all schematic football is a stretch….the Giants had a good defense…and played extremely well in the post season….beating the Patriots twice…using a jam on the line often man approach…
They allowed 20 points in the regular season game against the Pats…and 17 in the Super Bowl…
As I said….based on last year performance from our supposed corners…we are in trouble…
April 28th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Someone supplied a link to Burris’ highlight reel. Of course it was a highlight reel, but this kid looks really, really good. If he can play that good at the next level he’ll be the next Ray Lewis.
He played outside and the ball was handed to a back opposite Burris. Burris was double teamed and knocked to the ground, then popped up, reversed field pursued, closed on and tackled the runner……30 yds down the field…..awesome play.
I am just wondering about his level of competition coming from SD State.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Bobby BOUSCHE will Kill em!!!!!LOL I mean burris
April 28th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
I understand that the best help to a secondary is the pass rush…it it gets there…and it will at times….and at times we will have to cover…
Last Season we had a little depth…even though we released Sterling Moore..
This year…we have none…in fact…I don’t like even 1 of our starters…
April 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Hardline,
I agree with you man. However, I will go with Reggie’s point. That is its not his fault who he plays against but did he dominate them…he sure did. Unlike MM34 who was a youtube sensation, Miles also was voted first team all conference. He did look good against Boise and Mich.
April 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
While you make the argument that the secondary is helped by the pass rush I could make the argument that it’s the other way around and it’s the secondary helps the front 4!
April 28th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Penn State Raiders
April 29th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Or the front 7…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
You’re missing the point of my post.
People questioning the notion that our defense could go from ranked in the 30s to being something ranked in the 10s in the space of a year. But there’s a good reason why there can be a huge jump from 30 to 10, simply as I said, Bres and Hue were carries over from the Al blueprint that had been run for years. When Al passed, they added a few wrinkles during the year, but done in such a manner doesnt bode well, players confused, etc.
This year, a whole new system all with dedicated coaching and system-fit and football-minded players all taught the new system from OTAs thru camp, will give such a system a chance to succeed.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Back,
the Giants had this freak JPP that Al should have taken rather than Romac (based on how he loved athletic freaks). I thought he was a monster disrupting everything. Back to the Raiders, I dont feel like our current group is any worst than last year’s group. I mean we had the worst yellow flag db in Routt and opposite him were a bunch of slackers. I like Bartel. If we can improve on our front 7, we’ll be ok.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:03 am
GG-You’re right about one thing..I am missing your point….
Where is it?
I can’t see it?
What are you selling?
Oh wait, I get it….you mean we’re going to be good cause Hall of Famer AL DAVIS is dead….
What a theory?
Based on what?
The only thing you have to go on is the draft today….
So, I ask again, what is your point?
April 29th, 2012 at 12:03 am
I could make the argument that it’s the other way around and it’s the secondary helps the front 4!
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Sure but I dont remember any team in the league that is doing that now. Even Revis and Cromartie couldnt keep the Jets from sliding. IMHO, the Jets D got worst last year because their front 7 got so much older.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 am
AIG-I hope you’re right..
The thing is…I’d rather “know” we are sound at every position…especially when it is in our power to be….and this early in the process….it is….
I don’t see us being sound at corner…and we need 3 of them…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
This year, a whole new system all with dedicated coaching and system-fit and football-minded players all taught the new system from OTAs thru camp, will give such a system a chance to succeed.
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Yup. Dont forget that our D (Al’s D) was so easily read by the other team. Bixing it up alone this year, I can easily see we improve that by 5 places.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
#245, you’re just not getting what im saying after two goes from me. maybe someone else can explain it better.
to suggest im saying we’re going to be good because Al is dead…shows how bad your comprehension skills are. and, im a big Al fan, so you’re wrong to even insinuate that too.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Hardline,
Laying low during all the draft mania? Haven’t seen much of you last 3 days.
Don’t go having a life on us now…lol.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Back,
for our sake, I hope I am right too. I’ve been pissing on the Steelers corners forever and they just dominate every year. The real question to me is how are we going to dominate at the LOS with our front 7? Hopefully moving Houston inside will help. I think Houston is too slow for a DE position.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am
The Jets lost because the play with their EGO’s during the week leading up to every contest….not because of any other reason….Revis and Cromartoe are studs…in the passing game…cromartie sucks at tackling…but a good corner none the less….
The Jets were done the day TEBOW beat them….and so were we!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am
And we do need to address the corner position eventually. We can’t do everything in one draft though.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am
239.aig-raiders Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Hardline,
I agree with you man. However, I will go with Reggie’s point. That is its not his fault who he plays against but did he dominate them…he sure did. Unlike MM34 who was a youtube sensation, Miles also was voted first team all conference. He did look good against Boise and Mich.
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Aig,
I agree with you. I go with Reggie’s reasoning also. Another thing is that in the highlight reel SD State was playing against the Sun Devils. And they, are no slouches.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 am
there’ll be a massive difference of improvement from 2011 to 2012.
2012 defense will be like the Texans rise up the ranks last year.
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We hope so. But our defense, on paper, looks short of difference-makers and depth both. If the coaching staff can turn some of those high round underachievers into playmakers, things will be looking up.
I sure hope Sho’Nasty is healthy and can pick up where he left off and take it to the next level. I think he has the ability and temperment to be just what the new coaching staff is looking for and be a beast for us
If Ron Bartell comes back from injury he’s a good one. A really good one
April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 am
Ron Bartell will be this years Carlos Rogers. Bank on it.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 am
GG-You just seem overly optimistic….and right now is not the time for optimism….I am playing devils advocate cause someone has to….and no one will….especially those who think with their hearts and not their heads!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 am
241.RaiderRetribution Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Penn State Raiders
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As long as they don’t bring in Sandusky as an asst. coach.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 am
250.DJ Johnny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Hardline,
Laying low during all the draft mania? Haven’t seen much of you last 3 days.
Don’t go having a life on us now…lol.
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DJ,
Lol. Well, I don’t know too much about drafting so I save all the analysis for the semi-pros in here who really know what they are talking about.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
I am not here to agree with any of you…however…if you make a valid point…I will!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Last year the coaches sucked chuck B and huh jack both sucked as coaches.The Defense had like 2 plays basically man to man and zone and huh called stupid plays half the time and didnt put the best players on the field.This year will be different.Look what coach allen did with Denver,s D last year and Greg Knapp will actually get to coach the offense this time around.We Will be better.Best players will be on the field and if they don,t preform they will be gone.Wont have Huh picking favorites.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:13 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
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“@mgonz1999: @CorkOnTheNFL …what grade you give the Raiders on the draft..” — Don’t grade drafts. No one around has any clue. Too early.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:13 am
I’d rather sit here and disagree with all of you regarding our defense and be proved wrong than sit here and agree with you and be proved right….
Just the way it is……
April 29th, 2012 at 12:13 am
243.GG Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
You’re missing the point of my post.
People questioning the notion that our defense could go from ranked in the 30s to being something ranked in the 10s in the space of a year. But there’s a good reason why there can be a huge jump from 30 to 10, simply as I said, Bres and Hue were carries over from the Al blueprint that had been run for years. When Al passed, they added a few wrinkles during the year, but done in such a manner doesnt bode well, players confused, etc.
This year, a whole new system all with dedicated coaching and system-fit and football-minded players all taught the new system from OTAs thru camp, will give such a system a chance to succeed.
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GG,
I believe your argument has extreme merit!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:14 am
258.DJ Johnny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:11 am
241.RaiderRetribution Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Penn State Raiders
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As long as they don’t bring in Sandusky as an asst. coach.
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DJ,
Sandusky ?? Now was a low blow, lol !
April 29th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Jets 2010 Rush D 3rd and sacks 8th
Jest 2011 Rush D 13th and sacks 17th
yeah, they got a bunch of ego problems. But in 2009 and 2010 Sanchez struggled and their D kept them in the game. Their front 7 got really old last year.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Hot Shot-We were 1 half away from the playoffs and a 9-7 record last year….
The New York Giants finished 9-7 and won the Super Bowl!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:16 am
@266-Good point AIG…But I could argue that their inability to run the ball effectively the last two years put added stress on that defense…
I bet if you check that website that you recalled those stats from it will show you that…
Check rush yards and Time of Possession!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:18 am
yeah with better D calling and better plays on offense it could of been better.Mediocre record for mediocre coaches and that sums it up.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am
I’ll try one more time.
All I’m getting at is…a whole new system being implemented this year, there’ll be a better chance of it succeeding due to it being taught from day one, due to GM getting system fit players for that system, due to GM looking for football-minded players with positional smarts (they’ll master the system quickly), and due to that system being more difficult for offenses to read (as AIG pointed out before).
When Al passed, Bres/Hue tried to change things up middle of the season, adding all these wrinkles etc, but it only confused players and saw a ton of blown assignments, MLB on Megatron deep, etc, players rightfully saying (to paraphrase), “nothing wrong with the man high safety system per se, we’ve all been taught and trained this system for so long, we know it, but to mix in a lot of zone stuff mid-year only confusing us etc”.
Raiders can improve dramatically in the D rankings partly due to system, gives offenses more to prepare for and watch out for, gives our players (zone) more chance for turnovers (that’s what D.Allen’s system is all about, forcing turnovers and being aggressive blitzers), but mainly our D ranking can improve because it’s being implemented from scratch not mid-year haphazardly.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am
I agree with you regarding our defensive coaching…and that applies to the last 10 years….
I am going to ride the staff this year harder then they can possibly imagine….on this BLOG!
Nothing but a Super Bowl Trophy will be good enough IMO….and that applies to this season!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:23 am
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DJ,
Sandusky ?? Now was a low blow, lol !
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I saw the opening and took it. As weak as it may have been…ha.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 am
aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am
And we do need to address the corner position eventually. We can’t do everything in one draft though.
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while we obviously need more help at CB, what we really need is another legit starter, not a backup type. I though maybe in the draft the Raiders would take a chance on high injury risk high upside Omar Bolden, but he went mid R4. Maybe June 1 salary casualty round of cuts will put a good one on the street. Reggie Mac is known for finding “under the radar” talent as well. But probably the draft wasn’t the place to get the CB we need. We already have young “developmental” talent there
April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 am
#264 thanks hardline, not for agreeing per se, but for getting what i was TRYING to say lol.
Not about optimism vs pessimism. Just about getting that point across — we stand more chance of succeeding in improved D rankings than not improving.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:27 am
@270 GG-
I get what you’re trying to say…and I can feel your passion. I hope you are right. However….your example of McClain covering Megatron was the Corners (Routt) fault….which falls on Routt, Coach Woodson, Coach Bres, & Coach HueJack…..not on McClain…
Routt didn’t jam Megatron on his crack motion on that particular play…and had a free release….which didn’t allow the safeties to get deep enough to be able to make a play on the ball..
That was the result of laziness by Routt..and lack of enforcement of coaching by the rest…
I can guarantee you ALL of these parties were made aware of the fact that Routt had a tendency to let his man get a free release when he was in the cover 2….
The thing is…when you are up and you know a team needs to pass downfield and score quickly….no team should be in a cover 2!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Back, yup you correct. Jets 4th rushing in 2010 and 22nd in 2011. But imho it has always been about their D that gave them life to make it to the AFC championship game. That was their bread and butter. they won some ugly games.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:27 am
erry McDonald @Jerrymcd
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The more I deal with Reggie McKenzie, and talk with people that have known him for years, the idea of HueJax staying as HC was ludicrous.
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Here’s the thing regarding the McKenzie-Allen Raiders: There’s a plan. And they’ll follow it. Have a good feeling about McKenzie era.
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Fascinating Raiders dynamic this year, post-Al. Have no clue how they did, and neither does anyone else. Post-draft grades a joke.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 am
DJ,
Sandusky ?? Now was a low blow, lol !
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I saw the opening and took it. As weak as it may have been…ha.
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Too effin funny. The cowgirls took a LB Lee from Penn 2 yrs ago and he is becoming a stud for them. Hope we can get lucky with Stupar.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:30 am
@276…so we’re both right…I like it when that happens..
We can call it synergy!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:30 am
274.GG Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 am
#264 thanks hardline, not for agreeing per se, but for getting what i was TRYING to say lol.
Not about optimism vs pessimism. Just about getting that point across — we stand more chance of succeeding in improved D rankings than not improving.
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G,
BTW,
I agree with you 100%. SF and Harbaugh did the same thing. Why not us ?
April 29th, 2012 at 12:31 am
yeah Back, I appreciate the good conversation with everyone tonite. No freaks for sure. They’ll be here in the morning.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:31 am
It’s 2:30 am where i’m at.
Thx. for the fun.
It’s been a big day.
Into the arms of Morpheus…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:32 am
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Fascinating Raiders dynamic this year, post-Al. Have no clue how they did, and neither does anyone else. Post-draft grades a joke.
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You never hear about the undrafted FAs that go silently into the night. The one that makes it? Then the system sucks.
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Few things more amusing than the outrage of fans regarding undrafted free agent signings. Most weren’t drafted for a reason.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:33 am
@Alzado,
I’m telling you man. It’s so nice to see us become a modern franchise while respecting our legacy. This isnt like Jerry Jones coming in and pissing over the old past. We got a plan and we only bring in football players vs athletic freaks.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Good Talk!
“Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.”
April 29th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Huh was trying to be a glory hog.He was coach oc and Qb coach.Pryor was left learning nothing.Then Huh cut Haggan and signed old TJ to put in his spot.Wow Huh won 1 more game then crapy Cable did.Finally we got some real coaches and a good Gm.This year will be better in all areas.We should still be ok at CB.Look at Our CBs last year.Cant be worse than that.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:39 am
Yep, Hardline re: harbaugh-niners, and texans-phillips. Another aspect that gives us a chance to replicate that — is the new era of accountability, etc. And this is echoed in some of those tweets from JerryMcd that just got copy-pasted in posts above.
Btw, nice photos of Reggie (and Allen) in the war room. reggie looks like such a boss, pinstripe suit, calm, collected. Just imagine (laughably) Hue Jackson as a GM/HC. The franchise would’ve been set back even longer. We really needed a dedicated GM, with pedigree and years of experience in personnel etc, groomed for years to become a GM, and how he required a right-hand man he can trust, who is diligent and measured (Allen) who both can work with each other, have a plan, preach accountability, are football lovers and not PR types like Hue.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:41 am
further evidence we won’t take Jerry Mac’s advice and get a life.
Amusement/outrage list:
Here are the top undrafted players by position, according to NFL.com senior analyst Gil Brandt:
Quarterbacks
1. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State
2. Casey Keenum, Houston
3. Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi
4. Dan Persa, Northwestern
5. John Brantley, Florida
Running backs
1. Chris Polk, Washington
2. Brandon Bolden, Mississippi
3. Tauren Poole, Tennessee
4. Darrell Scott, South Florida
5. Jonas Gray, Notre Dame
Wide receivers
1. Jermaine Kearse, WR, Washington
2. Dwight Jones, North Carolina
3. Jerrell Jackson, Missouri
4. James Rodgers, Oregon State
5. Lavasier Tuinei, Oregon State
Tight ends
1. Kevin Koger, Michigan
2. Garrett Celek, Michigan State
3. Beau Reliford, Florida State
4. Matt Veldman, North Dakota State
5. Adam Nissley, Central Florida
Offensive linemen
1. James Brown (guard), Troy
2. Luke Nix (guard), Pittsburgh
3. Quentin Saulsberry (center), Mississippi State
1. Ronald Leary (guard), Memphis
2. Desmond Wynn (guard), Rutgers
Defensive linemen
1. Armond Armstead (tackle), Southern California
2. Loni Fangupo (tackle), BYU
3. Vaughn Meatoga (tackle), Hawaii
4. Julian Miller (end), West Virginia
5. Nicolas Jean-Baptiste (tackle), Baylor
Linebackers
1. Tyler Nielsen (OLB), Iowa
2. Adrien Cole (ILB), Louisiana Tech
3. Brandon Lindsey (OLB), Pittsburgh
4. Jerry Franklin (ILB), Arkansas
5. D.J. Holt, California
Defensive backs
1. Leonard Johnson (CB), Iowa State
2. Aaron Henry (FS), Wisconsin
3. Janzen Jackson (FS), McNeese State
4. Kelcie McCray (SS), Arkansas State
5. Coryell Judie (CB), Texas A&M
Specialists
1. Carson Wiggs (K), Purdue
2. Drew Butler (P), Georgia
3. Josh Harris (LS), Auburn
4. Justin Tucker (K), Texas
5. Shawn Powell (P), Florida State
April 29th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Just watched the press conference…appears as though a reporter referred to Coach Allen as a Defensive Backs Guru….
Coach Allen said he wasn’t too sure about that!
Hey Coach, with the guys you have at corner…you are gonna have to be…I can promise you that!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:46 am
more from Gil Brandt…it’s still a challenge for semis to get a life even though draft is over…here’s why
• Position-by-position look at top undrafted free agents
Historically, there have been some great rookie free agents, including Doug Baldwin (the Seattle Seahawks’ leader in receiving yards and catches as a rookie in 2011), Arian Foster (the NFL’s 2010 rushing leader), Kurt Warner (a two-time NFL MVP) and 15 members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Last season, 59 undrafted free agents were on Week 1 rosters. So, despite not being selected in the 2012 NFL Draft, these players still have a chance of finding the right situation to succeed.
1. Chris Polk, RB, Washington — This is the top player I’d go after out of this group. Polk was a three-year starter for the Huskies and rushed for 1,400-plus yards in 2010 and 2011. He is a good, strong-bodied runner and one of the best receiving backs in the country. (UPDATE: Polk said he has agreed to terms with the Philadelphia Eagles.)
2. James Brown, G, Troy — Brown has very long arms (34½ inches) and big hands. He has the athletic ability to play left tackle and eventually can develop into an NFL starter.
3. Luke Nix, G, Pittsburgh — Nix is a very aggressive and tenacious blocker. He’s tough and smart, and he has the ability to pull and get to the second level to make blocks.
4. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State — Moore’s only negative is his lack of outstanding height (though he measured just a quarter-inch shorter than the New Orleans Saints’ Drew Brees). Moore won more games than any other starting QB in the history of major college football, and he set an NCAA single-season record for lowest percentage of passes intercepted. Over four seasons at Boise State, Moore threw 142 touchdown passes and just 28 interecptions. Last year, he completed 74.3 percent of his passes. He’s a rhythm passer, so he doesn’t have the strongest arm and will hit players in stride. (UPDATE: Moore said he has agreed to terms with the Detroit Lions.)
5. Brandon Bolden, RB, Ole Miss — Bolden is a very athletic, very good inside runner with good vision. Almost more important as far as his NFL prospects are concerned, he’s a good receiver, which is something teams look for out of the backfield.
6. Quentin Saulsberry, C, Mississippi State — Saulsberry has played all positions along the line in his college career, starting at tackle, guard and center. He had five starts at center and nine at guard last season, but his best position is center. He’s very competitive, athletic and has the intangibles and strong attitude to be a good player.
7. Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State — Brewster started 49 consecutive games for Ohio State, a school record. He was able to get to the second level on blocks and also able to handle strong defensive tackles who rush him. There’s a strong chance for him to stick around at a place that really needs a center. (UPDATE: Brewster reportedly has agreed to terms with the Jacksonville Jaguars.)
8. Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona State — Burfict was once thought to be one of the best players ever to be recruited by Arizona State. He didn’t disappoint in his first year, earning Pac-10 Defensive Freshman of the Year honors in 2009, but he didn’t play well in 2011. He got heavy — heavier than he should — and also had some problems with the coaching staff. At the NFL Scouting Combine, he quit on drills. But now he’s going to find out that if he wants to make a living playing football, he’ll have to listen to what coaches are telling. (UPDATE: Burfict has agreed to terms with the Cincinnati Bengals, a source with knowledge of the situation told NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport.)
9. Jermaine Kearse, WR, Washington — Kearse has been a starter since his freshman year in 2008. His best season came in 2010, when he had 1,005 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns. His production tailed off, however, in 2011 (699 yards, seven touchdowns). He brings strong leadership qualities. One thing he has to work on is concentrating better on making the catch — he does have some drops — but has playmaking ability once he has the ball.
10. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State — Johnson didn’t run well at the combine, but he ran extremely well at his pro day. He was a high school quarterback. When Iowa State stunned then-No. 2-ranked Oklahoma State in November, Johnson did a very good job defending Justin Blackmon (the first-round pick of the Jaguars). Johnson could be a great special teams player because of his toughness and probably is best suited for a Cover 2-schemed team.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Our corners last year was worse than this year.Routt gave up mega yards in Penalties.Lito sheppard is old.CJ was injured all last year and the rest rookies.you think these CBs are worse than that.But I agree we need CBs but still better this year than last I think.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:53 am
All I’m saying Coach is that Reggie has put you behind the 8 BALL in my opinion…with your lack of talent at the corner position….both short term and long term….
That being said..I think Reggie has done a wonderful job in all other areas….
but is severely failing in ONE!
April 29th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Hey Coach, with the guys you have at corner…you are gonna have to be…I can promise you that!
*****
if coach Allen is the guru the beat writers think he is, we’ll have 5 All Pro corners at least
1. Ron Bartell comes back from broken neck to play like Nnamdi
2. Chimdi Chekwa uses his speed and special teams mentality tackling ability to become the Eric Allen
3. Fast, fluid DVD mysteriously gets stuffed with steroids, packs on 25 lbs of muscle, starts seeing and competing for the ball in the air, starts tackling, and becomes the next Mike Haynes
4. Pat Lee recovers fully 3 years after blowing out his knee and uses his special teams mentality, speed, and athletic talent to become the next Lester Hayes
5. Shawntae Spencer, as the old man, becomes a great leader coach on the field and uses his wisdom and athletic ability to become a modern day pre-retirement cornerback version of R-Wood, the story of the season as player-coach
6. Brandon Underwood finds religion from the new draftees, stops beating up his wife, and plays football for a whole season without getting suspended or arrested, and gets primed for a breakout season when Spencer retires to the coaching staff as under-guru…and becomes better than his Green Bay mentor, C-Wood as “Overwood-Superhero Role Model”
7. Bryan McCann gets brains and becomes a great 50-cent-piece back in the guru’s 7 DB formation
the potential is there
April 29th, 2012 at 1:08 am
McKenzie: I think we went into the draft from day one to address the defense. You got to understand we have a defensive head coach and a defensive-minded general manager, so let’s win on defense.
You know I have waited years for this. What a great day to be with this team building if only zone blocking wasnt and power rush play action deep wouldnt leave us. It is raider football in the 70s..go raiders and I cant wait till this team finds our defensive outstanding linebacker. I have been waiting a long time for Our own All Pro Linebacker, hell I wanna wear a jersey of a raider linebacker. Hopefully one of these guys plays.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:11 am
I didn’t even mention 2012 all-rookie CB UDFA Conroy Black, Utah, with 4.38 10.3-100 meter speed, long arms, and 6 interceptions last year
April 29th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Run Down Last years CBs not any better.We still can pick up more CBs when teams make their cuts.Should be some descent CBs as teams make cuts for cap room.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:14 am
You know I have waited years for this. What a great day to be with this team building if only zone blocking wasnt and power rush play action deep wouldnt leave us. It is raider football in the 70s..go raiders and I cant wait till this team finds our defensive outstanding linebacker. I have been waiting a long time for Our own All Pro Linebacker, hell I wanna wear a jersey of a raider linebacker. Hopefully one of these guys plays.
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the last good LB we developed in house was 1999 or 98 draftee Eric Barton…it’s been awhile
April 29th, 2012 at 1:14 am
Damn sick of hearing about RG 3 he can kiss my butt.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:16 am
MCnadds need to retire he sucks.Hes fat and slow.Its like watching Jamarcus.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:21 am
These guys were football smart, had heart and a little bit psycho.
Matt Millen 6′ 2″ 250
Sam Mills 5′9″ 229
Mike Singletary 6′ 0″ 230
Ray Lewis 6′ 1″ 245
Miles Burris 6′ 2″ 245 The rest remains to be seen, but I’d love it if he could knock McClain out of the lineup and he might be the guy.
Love this kid..
Go Raiders
April 29th, 2012 at 1:23 am
It is raider football in the 70s.
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are you the ghost of Al Davis. It’s 2012. Can’t go back to the 70s. Or the 60s, like Al wanted to. His dream version of the 60s, when Daryl Lamonica completed every bomb to the 3 Warren Wells he had flying down the field at warp speed, and could go deep to any of them (in his old age, Al couldn’t remember his 1965 high draft choice slow Freddie at WR anymore…or Lamonica choking and Blanda saving the day)…and running out the clock pounding the ball with Hewritt Dixon, or the change of pace or draw play with speedster Charlie Smith…or the flips to them in the flat when Wells wasn’t open deep
April 29th, 2012 at 1:30 am
April 29th, 2012 at 1:21 am
These guys were football smart, had heart and a little bit psycho.
Matt Millen 6′ 2″ 250
Sam Mills 5′9″ 229
Mike Singletary 6′ 0″ 230
Ray Lewis 6′ 1″ 245
Miles Burris 6′ 2″ 245 The rest remains to be seen, but I’d love it if he could knock McClain out of the lineup and he might be the guy.
Love this kid..
Go Raiders
EVEN BETTER IF BURRIS CAN KNOCK SOME BRONCOS, CHIEFS, AND CHARGERS OUT OF THE LINEUP…NO BOUNTY NECESSARY
I’M HOPING THIS BURRIS WILL INSPIRE ME TO UPDATE THE RAIDERS ALL TIME ALL MEAN TEAM
April 29th, 2012 at 1:32 am
Greg Biekert was a good LB as well.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:37 am
Btw, nice photos of Reggie (and Allen) in the war room. reggie looks like such a boss, pinstripe suit, calm, collected. Just imagine (laughably) Hue Jackson as a GM/HC. The franchise would’ve been set back even longer. We really needed a dedicated GM, with pedigree and years of experience in personnel etc, groomed for years to become a GM, and how he required a right-hand man he can trust, who is diligent and measured (Allen) who both can work with each other, have a plan, preach accountability, are football lovers and not PR types like Hue.
PLUS, OUR NEW GM CAN BEAT UP THEIR GM
Reggie Mac, #7 ILB, Raiders All-Time, All-Mean team
April 29th, 2012 at 1:40 am
Hot Shot Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:32 am
Greg Biekert was a good LB as well.
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he was drafted in like 1990-93 range, played with us through 2001. I was saying the last one we drafted and developed in house was Barton last millenium
Biekert came back as coach last year, of course
April 29th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Check out these hits from raiders Great LBs.http://youtu.be/HtVRup5oWwk
April 29th, 2012 at 1:44 am
Raiders have been LB-challenged for years. Rob Frederickson and Napoleon Harris got hurt before they got really good.
We had that fast little Mike Jones but he left us for Rams before he got really good. He was just coming into his own when he left us
#2 pick James Folston, an athletic freak with size, explosion, great speed, long arms, you name it, was one of the worst multi-year starting LBs in NFL history, probably.
Gruden had to get guys like William Thomas, Romo, Danny Clark, etc from elsewhere
April 29th, 2012 at 1:49 am
Oakland Raiders: Who Run It?! Nasty hit collection .Look that up on youtube its great.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:51 am
yeah I agree with the LBs.Sorry LBs is one of the reasons the last 9 or 10 years we havent won crap.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Hot Shot Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Check out these hits from raiders Great LBs.http://youtu.be/HtVRup5oWwk
THANKS FOR THE LINK I NEEDED THAT! BRING BACK THE NASTY
April 29th, 2012 at 2:03 am
alzadoX Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Hot Shot Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Check out these hits from raiders Great LBs.http://youtu.be/HtVRup5oWwk
THANKS FOR THE LINK I NEEDED THAT! BRING BACK THE NASTY
=========================================================No problem now thats football.Good Night Raider Nation.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:05 am
Back in the day, we brought in Colts/Packers All Pro Ted Hendricks as a free agent and he couldn’t even break the starting lineup of Villapiano, Monte Johnson, and Gerald Irons his first year with us. Then we traded Irons to Cleveland, and I think he made the pro bowl with them, or at least came close, and Hendricks and Villapiano made Pro Bowl with us.
anyone who believes the Raiders turned Hendricks into an all pro must believe Al Davis propaganda. He was a legend with the Colts from his rookie year till his one year in Green Bay after a holdout I believe. He played out his option, we signed him as FA and Pete Rozelle’s Rozelle ruling was we had to give Green Bay two first round picks because Hendricks was such a hot commodity. We got the better of the deal
That Gerald Irons was big, strong, and a very explosive hitter and very smart. Not fast or athletic, not agile in pass coverage, but smart positioning fooled QBs and got some INTs too. His lights-out hitting caused quite a few fumbles
April 29th, 2012 at 2:21 am
AlzadoX Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:14 am
the last good LB we developed in house was 1999 or 98 draftee Eric Barton…it’s been awhile
AlzadoX….Im with ya its gonna be fun late july.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Isn’t it funny? thru months most time is slow news time and the same first round mock drafts over and over again
and we’re chewing on our #95 mock draft and now you have to scramble like hell to keep up with all our draft picks and especially with our udfas
April 29th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] McKenzie and Allen transcript Here is the transcript from the post-draft news conference with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen: McKenzie: “The day is over. Ah, shoot. Let’s open it up, guys. Questions?” Question: Just an overview of how you… [...]
April 29th, 2012 at 4:17 am
Not Raider-related, but a cool story…
So the two receivers Minnesota took in the 4th round, both went to High School together, then both went to the University of Arkansas, then both drafted in the same round to the same team. Known each other since grade 3. Unbelievable.
April 29th, 2012 at 4:29 am
Does anyone else think that Reggie has plans to get rid of Lechler? He signed that punter to a three year contract.
April 29th, 2012 at 4:40 am
I’m looking forward to seeing what Derek Carrier can do.
April 29th, 2012 at 4:47 am
Yeah good question, ABP. Is it possible Lechler wants a trade so he can play “for a SB winning team” before he retires?
April 29th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Lechler is great, but I can see Reggie replacing him with the rookie to free up salary cap space. This punter can apparently kick it 70 and 80 yards.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:12 am
That’s a good point too, Lechler’s salary. Anyone know what it is?
Also, what’s Janikowski’s? And Condo’s?
Perhaps we’ll be seeing these three replaced in the near future too. Hopefully Reggie looks for a SeaBass v2.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:14 am
Nate Stupar’s uncle is Jeff Hostetler.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:17 am
Lechler’s cap figure this year is 5.65 million.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:18 am
Marquette King punting highlights…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzNrS0ens0s
April 29th, 2012 at 5:18 am
This also the last year of Lechler’s contract. It looks like Reggie may not bring him back next year. Good move picking up the punter from Fort Valley State.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Oakland Raiders Team Report
USA Today
Reggie McKenzie’s interminable wait for his first draft pick as a general manager finally ended at 8 p.m. after 94 players had come off the board over a span of nearly eight hours covering two days.
The Raiders selected Utah offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom, a pick devoid of any flash but one McKenzie believes has plenty of substance.
“I didn’t get consumed (with the knowledge that it was my first pick), but I knew it was,” McKenzie said. “It’s not too fancy, like if you grab a quarterback or a receiver, someone who scores touchdowns. This is a blue-collar position, and he was the best player we had up there.”
Bergstrom played primarily right tackle at Utah, but worked at guard at the Senior Bowl and will begin his professional career there with the Raiders.
“I think this is a versatile player,” coach Dennis Allen said. “I think he can play offensive tackle. I think he can play offensive guard. I think he’s the type of guy that fits the type of scheme we’re going to run here, with some of our zone blocking stuff and his ability to get to the second level.
“When you watch tape on him, you can tell this guy loves football.”
Bergstrom thinks the Oakland blocking scheme fits his skills perfectely.
“Zone was always our bread and butter,” Bergstrom said. “That’s the first play you’ve got to establish. It keeps the defense honest. You can run it against any look they throw at you. You can run it into any blitz. I’m a big believer in it and I feel I can block it.”
During the inactive first day, McKenzie briefly made his way to the media area to get a glass of lemonade. It was no coincidence that Cincinnati was on the clock with the 17th pick of the first round.
“I wanted to let you guys know we took Carson Palmer,” McKenzie said.
Palmer, of course, arrived in the October trade from the Bengals in exchange for the 2012 first-round pick, and a first- or second-round pick next season.
It was the second consecutive year and the eighth time in franchise history the Raiders were without a first-round pick, having sent the 2010 first-round pick a year earlier to the New England Patriots to acquire defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
Other draft picks this season Oakland dealt to other teams included a third-round pick to New England to move up and draft tackle Joe Barskdale, a fourth-round pick to the Patriots in order to select running back Taiwan Jones, and a fourth-round pick dispatched to Washington in exchange for quarterback Jason Campbell.
Finally, a seventh-round pick was lost in the trade that brought Aaron Curry to Oakland from Seattle.
The draft room was pretty quiet, with the Raiders not having only two tradable draft picks in the fifth and sixth rounds and a roster that’s pretty much set, meaning there was little opportunity to move up.
“It was still exciting amongst the staff because we went through day as ‘who we gonna pick?’ It was a nice dress rehearsal,” McKenzie said. “Today was much more anticipation. But no, we had no ammunition, no calls coming in to offer us their first-round pick.”
—Coach Dennis Allen was too busy preparing for the NFL draft and running his first voluntary minicamp to become too preoccupied with the announcement of the Raiders’ 2012 schedule.
“I don’t think anything really jumps out at me,” Allen said. “Usually when I get these things I kind of look at them and don’t give it a ton of thought other than where we’re traveling to and when we have to get there.”
Much of the Oakland fan base has a long history of feeling persecuted when it comes to how the schedule is aligned, believing the league has it in for them because of the battles the late Al Davis had with the NFL.
However, there isn’t a lot to dislike about the way 2012 lines up other than the second game of the season, when the Raiders will travel to Miami on a short week after opening up the season at home on Monday night against the San Diego Chargers.
It’s the third time the Raiders opened the season with a 7:15 p.m. start against the Chargers at home, losing 27-0 in 2006 and 24-20 in 2009.
The Raiders get their bye in Week 5 after opening the season with San Diego, at Miami, at home against Pittsburgh and then at Denver to face Peyton Manning and the Broncos.
Other than Miami, eastern time zone trips include at Atlanta (Oct. 14), at Baltimore (Nov. 11) and at Carolina (Dec. 23).
Deep into the season, the Raiders have a stretch of four home games in five weeks, including three in a row at home, starting with Nov. 18 at New Orleans, a visit to Cincinnati (Nov. 25) and then consecutive home dates against Cleveland (Dec. 2), Denver (Thursday, Dec. 6) and Kansas City (Dec. 16).
The opener and the Thursday game against Denver are Oakland’s only prime-time games of the season.
Oakland’s only consecutive road games come when in theory the Raiders will be hoping to close out their first playoff season since 2002 at Carolina and then at San Diego in Week 17.
“I like the fact that we don’t have any back-to-back road games until we get to the end of the year,” Allen said. “I like the fact that we get back-to-back-to-back home games right there in the stretch run. Obviously getting the chance to play at home late in the year is an advantage.”
NOTES, QUOTES
—So far, so good for running back Darren McFadden.
McFadden, who played in only seven games last season before a LisFranc foot sprain ended his season, was on the field during the Raiders’ first voluntary minicamp.
He wasn’t asked to do much — the workouts are light in nature anyway, with no helmets and no contact — but just having him on the field felt good for coach Dennis Allen.
“Darren was able to go through drills and did a nice job,” Allen said. “He’s one of our most explosive players on offense. He’s a dangerous weapon. We’re looking forward to finding different ways of using him and exploiting his talents.”
—The Raiders’ draft room has been run by Al Davis since he arrived in 1963, with the owner expecting everyone to be prepared and arriving on decisions in part through the questioning of his scouts and coaches with regard to players on the board.
Now it’s up to McKenzie, who realizes he is replacing an icon.
“Coach Davis, this has been his deal since the Raiders were the Raiders,” McKenzie said. “I am the new guy. This is my first time drafting after a legend has been drafting for the Raiders for so long. So it’s huge. But I’m excited about it and looking forward to it.”
—Running back Napoleon Kaufman, who retired from football during the prime of his career in 2000 to pursue the ministry, has returned to the organization as the team chaplain.
Kaufman has been pastor of The Well Christian Community in the suburban Tri-Valley area for the past nine years.
“I’m so excited to be part of the Raiders organization once again,” Kaufman said. “I’ve always considered myself a Raider.”
Kaufman, along with director of player engagement Lamonte Winston, will give the Raiders’ players more support with life and spiritual issues as part of the Reggie McKenzie era.
—Although the Raiders parted with starting tight end Kevin Boss and didn’t get nearly the production they had from Zach Miller, lost in free agency a year ago, quarterback Carson Palmer is expecting big things from second-year man David Ausberry.
Ausberry was a wide receiver at USC who got minimal playing time, but was intriguing as a tight end for the Raiders as a seventh-round draft pick.
Palmer has spent time throwing with Ausberry this offseason and thinks he’ll play a role in the new offense.
“You can run screens with him, you can line him up outside if he’s your tight end in a base personnel group, and I would love to have the matchup with him on a linebacker,” Palmer said. “He’s a great kid, works very hard and he wants it. He’s a special talent and I think once the coaching staff sees him on the field, the way he moves, there’s going to be some special things for him.”
QUOTE TO NOTE: “You can’t be out there worrying about somebody hurting you or trying to hurt somebody because you won’t get nothing done that way.” — Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly addressing the issue of bounties in the NFL.
STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL
Whatever form the defense takes under coach Dennis Allen and Jason Tarver, the rebuilt unit will have a familiar look along the back line.
Free safety Matt Giordano, who led the team with five interceptions, was signed to a contract, terms of which were not disclosed.
Giordano played more extensively for the Raiders than at any other time during his career and also has a background with both general manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen, playing five games with Green Bay in 2009 and nine with New Orleans in 2010.
He rejoins Michael Huff, franchise free agent Tyvon Branch and third-year player Mike Mitchell as safeties who likely will remain on the roster.
FRANCHISE PLAYER: FS Tyvon Branch (tendered at $6.212 million).
TRANSITION PLAYER: None.
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
—LB Darryl Blackstock was a backup middle linebacker brought aboard because of his familiarity with defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan, who is no longer on staff.
—QB Kyle Boller flamed out in his only start before Carson Palmer was acquired and is not a fit for offensive coordinator Greg Knapp’s offense.
—LB Quentin Groves, replaced by Aaron Curry early in the season, threw himself into special teams work and is hoping to return.
—OT Stephon Heyer was a reserve at tackle and guard at a high salary, would have to take less and fit in to a zone blocking scheme.
—WR T.J. Housmandzadeh was brought aboard by Hue Jackson, looked a step slow and likely isn’t in the plans of the new regime.
—DE Jarvis Moss was injury prone last season and was a favorite of the late owner Al Davis, meaning he could be looking for work.
—CB Lito Sheppard was signed early in the season and immediately moved ahead of rookies Chimdi Chekwa and DeMarcus Van Dyke, but struggled at the end of the season.
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (not tendered offers)
—SS Jerome Boyd (not tendered as ERFA) is a special teams performer who struggles in coverage and has been working out at the team facility, hoping to be part of the new regime.
RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
—DT Desmond Bryant (tendered at $1.927M with second-round pick as compensation) is a promising, versatile lineman who can play inside, outside and might be the strongest on the team at the point of attack.
EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FREE AGENTS
—FB Marcel Reece is one of the most versatile players at his position in the NFL and is unlikely to get a chance to play anywhere else.
PLAYERS RE-SIGNED
—OT Khalif Barnes: UFA; $2M/1 yr.
—DE Mason Brodine: ERFA; terms unknown.
—OG Cooper Carlisle: FA; (had been released by Raiders); 1 yr, terms unknown).
—S Matt Giordano: UFA; terms unknown.
—CB Bryan McCann: ERFA; terms unknown.
PLAYERS ACQUIRED
—CB Ron Bartell: FA Rams; $3M/1 yr.
—QB Rhett Bomar: FA; terms unknown.
—OG Mike Brisiel: UFA Texans; $20M/5 yrs.
—RB Mike Goodson (trade Panthers).
—CB Pat Lee: UFA Packers; 1 yr, terms unknown.
—CB Shawntae Spencer: FA 49ers; 1 yr, terms unknown.
—DE Dave Tollefson: UFA Giants; $2.4M/2 yrs, $1.25M guaranteed.
—CB Brandon Underwood: FA; terms unknown.
—LB Philip Wheeler: UFA Colts; 1 yr, terms unknown.
PLAYERS LOST
—TE Kevin Boss (released/post-June 1 designation).
—RB Michael Bush: UFA Bears; $14M/4 yrs, $7M guaranteed.
—G/T Bruce Campbell (traded Raiders).
—QB Jason Campbell: UFA Bears; $3.5M/1 yr, $2M SB.
—RB Rock Cartwright: UFA 49ers; 1 yr, terms unknown.
—S Hiram Eugene (released (failed physical).
—DT John Henderson (released/failed physical).
—CB Chris Johnson (released).
—RB James McCluskey (released).
—CB Stanford Routt (released)
—C Samson Satele: UFA Colts; $10.8/3 yrs, $5M guaranteed.
—WR Chaz Schilens: UFA Jets; $765,000/1 yr, $500,000 guaranteed.
—DL Trevor Scott: UFA Patriots; $1.150M/1 yr, $250,000 SB.
—LB Kamerion Wimbley (released).
April 29th, 2012 at 6:02 am
The more I deal with Reggie McKenzie, and talk with people that have known him for years, the idea of HueJax staying as HC was ludicrous.
1h Jerry McDonald Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
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I thought it was ludicrous from the on-set.
The lesson of Hue Jackson:
“You can’t turn a ho into a housewife”
April 29th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Interesting stats I found on RG III. I noticed his lack of games outside of Texas too when I looked at his career stats a few weeks back:
RG III career record on the road 5-11, including 1-3 last year.
He has only 7 career wins against bowl eligible teams.
RG III has played almost 75% of his career games in the state of Texas (only 9 career games outside of Texas, and only 2 career games outside of his time zone), including both his bowl games.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:08 am
I think RG III will have a very good productive 2nd stage of his career, with a different team.
But that thing is going to be a grease-fire in Washington. The ship has clearly sailed on Shanahan, and they are in probbly the toughest division in football.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Btw, with Lechler being off-contract end of the year, it’d still be pointless of Reggie to ‘waste’ a roster spot by having two punters. Seems very much like a trade before season starts.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:30 am
if groves is still available, and he wants to be here, i say bring him in for competition and depth for our LB corps.
Heyer could also provide some depth but his will have to come in cheap or i dont want him. letting him go is a good sign for barksdale imo.
other than that, im real happy with how our team looks. there is competition at every single position except the safeties and dt’s. im ok with that. i like our safeties. and our dt’s are vets and young guys who still need to develop in ivey and bryant.
were pretty healthy, all things considered.
i wish michael bush would have stuck around but other than that, im happy with where we are at.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Well, another draft has come and gone. Still time to sign some free agents – undrafted and those with NFL experience.
It’s hard to know which guys will pan out and contribute.
It’s possible we could have found some late round gems.
It’s unrealistic to expect we have secured a true ‘impact’ player, considering our position.
Always a chance we found another DMoore.
Maybe we found another Grady Jackson. Or Rod Coleman or LaRoi Glover.
We can hope.
But going into 2012, that’s not something I’m counting on or expecting.
So what’s an honest evaluation of where we stand now ?
My feeling is that we didn’t add an impact player on defense. My opinion is that the loss of Wimbley and Routt is more significant than the vast majority of posters here believe. Feel free to flame away about that. After all, that’s what makes this board interesting.
If there is to be a marked improvement on D – it’s going to have to come from better coaching, scheming and having some youngsters and FA’s step up.
I’m still very dubious about the prospects for the 2012 defense.
I’m optimistic about the offense. If things go right on that side of the ball, it might be enough to carry this squad to the playoffs.
On the other hand, if the offense regresses, this could be a very long season.
Either way, I can’t wait for the camps to begin and see what we’re cooking.
I’d prefer if we were smashmouth instead of ZBS. Wish the Old Man was still around.
Still, there’s nothing like RAIDER football and the pursuit of Lombardi number 4.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Grady Jackson was great. He’ll always be one of my favorite guys from the past.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:45 am
trade lechler? that would be unbelievably stupid.
he’s an IMPACT player. and happens to be the best in his position.
unless youre going to get a younger player, who plays defense, and is an IMPACT player, then why would you trade Lechler? and of course, we’d never get a young impact defensive player for him.
so what do you want for Lechler GG? a draft pick? hahaha we might get a 3rd for him. You want to trade lecher for a draft pick that may or may not pan out and probably will take 2-3 years to develop? ridiculous.
we know what we got with Lechler. he’s the best of all time at his position. to trade a player of that magnitude for how little we’d get in return is just ridiculous to suggest.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:54 am
#334
It’s a wasted roster spot having two punters, especially when injuries occur and we need to get more depth.
I just think it’s writing on the wall for Lechler that King got three years. Irrespective of Shane being off-contract end of this year, the logistics of a wasted roster spot = a trade before the season starts.
Btw, it’s not like i want Lechler traded. Just trying to make sense of the situation.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:03 am
oh ok GG. i misread you. sorry.
i wasnt aware that this King kid was signed to a 3 year deal. that is indeed very telling.
i thought he was only brought in as a practice roster spot guy that would eventually be cut as the summer went down. we normally always have a few extra kickers.
but we never usually have em to a 3 year deal. interesting. you got a link where i can read up on that?
April 29th, 2012 at 7:09 am
One thing I think we need to remember is that McFadden and Palmer have never played a single game together.
I can hardly wait to see that.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Raider Riff…
Not sure where I read it. But it was reported. Maybe even on this blog.
Found this…
3 yr contract for a UFDA? Is that normal or is this a potential end of an era.
Contract is void if he does not make the team.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am
King’s twitter mentioned too…
S/O to my man @MarquetteKing for signing a 3 yr. deal w/ the Oakland Raiders!!! Show Janikowski how to get it done bro. #dropbombs
Retweeted by Marquette King
April 29th, 2012 at 7:20 am
I read something yesterday about the new punter that said that he has had punts with hang times in the 5.5 second range. That’s pretty amazing if it’s true.
Maybe Reggie really does have a plan to move on from Lechler, who knows?
April 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/4/28/2985237/oakland-raiders-kick-off-undrafted-free-agency-by-signing-punter
Just another video of him, and mentioning…
The reason they were so impressed was because he was constantly booming 70 and 80 yard punts on the sidelines of the practice, which were recorded at over 5.6 seconds hangtime. That is a pretty amazing statistic. This year alone Marquette has punted an 80 yarder against Bethune Cookman – University and a 76 yard punt against Clark Atlanta. These punts are not a fluke; this kid can do it, over and over again.
Marquette King might be the most special punter coming out of college since Shane Lechler of Oakland in 2000… This year alone [King] has hit two bombs over 75 yards and they were in the air the complete time.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
What excitement is created by the shortened NFL draft. All the rush to sign FA’s who would have been locked into a team when the draft was what, 14 rounds.Lots of FA’s make it now and contribure. Example Dane Sanzenbacher. Able to pick a team (the Bears) where he could contribute and make the team. Much better system.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Maybe that’s why Lechler was not restructured to help with the cap. What do we save if he gets punted. (couldn’t leave that open)
April 29th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Exla,
I think someone posted in here that Lechler counts around 5.5 against the cap. Not sure if that’s true or not…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:49 am
If this kid is such a good punter, why did he go undrafted, yet one punter was taken in the 3rd round and another in the 6th round?
A 3 year, non-guaranteed deal to me says they will let him punt most of the preseason, and hope they can trade HIM (not trading Shane, nor would most teams want to give up anything for a great, but vastly overpaid punter) for maybe a future 7th rounder.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 6:02 am
The more I deal with Reggie McKenzie, and talk with people that have known him for years, the idea of HueJax staying as HC was ludicrous.
1h Jerry McDonald Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
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I thought it was ludicrous from the on-set.
The lesson of Hue Jackson:
“You can’t turn a ho into a housewife”
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A case could be made to fire Hue Jax based on his strategic errors (failing to kick FG against Cleveland and not going for 2 against Detroit).
A case could also be made based on the pathetically flat performances against Miami and GB. The Raids weren’t even competitive in those two.
Ample reason to part company with him.
But IMO what really sealed his fate was that he appeared power hungry and out of control during his comments after the season ending SD debacle.
Have to remember that Hue engineered the Palmer and Curry trades. At that time he was acting not only as HC but also as GM. In essence, he was every bit as powerful as Al Davis was.
I’m pretty sure Mark Davis was uncomfortable with that situation and made it clear that a GM was going to be brought in.
Hue’s SD post game comments about having more control had to rankle Davis and confirm whatever doubts already existed about Hue fitting in with what Davis envisioned as the coming restructure of HIS team.
Hue overstepped his boundries, ticked off his BOSS, and paid the price.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Barely averaged 43 yards per punt last season.
Not net, gross.
That would be good for 27th in the league last year.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am
RM99,
I believe that is two posts in a row with no mention of Slow.
What gives?
April 29th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Got done watching the Tivo from last nights Dodgers-Nats game.
This Bryce Harper kid is going to be one of the future stars of all of sports. I think he will ultimately be better than the last 19 year old phenom outfielder, Griffey Jr.
As was the case with Griff when he came into the league, Harper is already one of the best defensive outfielders in the game.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:01 am
JFB,
we’re/i’m just speculating what it could mean, signing a new punter for 3 years with Lechler on 5.5m. remember too reggie’s plan to fix “out of whack” contracts. Lechler is a legend etc. Just looking at it economics-wise and logistics-wise (two punters on 53 man roster? no.) As quoted…contract is void if he makes the team. If he does make the team, then he earns 3 years and that puts Lechler on the block. It’s basically an incentive-laden challenge to King…make the team (beat out lechler) and you’ll have a three-year contract.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am
JFB,
What that gross punting average doesn’t tell you is the percentage of his kicks that were the “let it rip ” kind and the percentage that were shorter by design.
Stats are great, but they rarely tell the whole story unless you dig a little deeper into them. Not saying you’re wrong about the kid, just that you seem to have made a bit of a superficial argument based on just that one stat. Peace.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:06 am
I don’t see the rookie Punter displacing Shane Lechler.
Lechler is a weapon and a leader, so what if this kid can boom some punts, last time I checked, Lechler can punt them just as far.
It is puzzling that we went after him, I’ve watched several teams struggle with bad Punting over the last few years, I don’t want us to have to worry about our guy shanking a 22 yarder with the game on the line.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Of course we aren’t going to have two punters on the 53.
This kid’s gross punting average in college is almost less than Shane’s net last year, lol.
He stands ZERO chance of beating out Shane barring any injury, especially since Shane holds too, and that will carry a lot of weight on the ST’s.
Besides, what are they going to do, waive Shane, spend over $6 million dollars in cap space on the punting position, than ultimately roll with an undrafted DII rookie?
Not happening.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:14 am
If you have two punters who in camp are fairly equal, do you go with the $5.5M one or the $600K one?
“out of whack” contracts. Freeing up cap room. Earning a late round future pick if possible (reggie loves drafting in the late rounds, he says often).
Plus, Reggie has said over and over, he’s about creating competition at every position.
Lechler off-contract end of the year, and getting on in years. You gonna re-sign him to another $5.5m? Or you gonna go with the young’un on $600K?
Think outside emotion. (I just mean, yes, we all love Lechler and Janikowski and Condo, and they’re legends, but you gotta move on eventually and fix up the team’s finances).
April 29th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Stats are great, but they rarely tell the whole story unless you dig a little deeper into them
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While true, not going to get much pure on a Fort Valley State punter.
I looked up the D-II punting stats from last year. The kid had 60 punts, which was more than almost everyone else, which tells me his teams offense punted more than everyone else, so he PROBABLY had plenty of field to work with.
5th in D-II with a 43.03 gross. One kid had 51 punts and averaged over 48.5 yards a punt.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/d2/current/individual/1021
April 29th, 2012 at 8:17 am
GG,
Shane’s cap hit is already on the books, whether we release him tomorrow or not.
If there was going to be anything done with Shane’s contract or roster spot, it would have be done already.
Maybe they let him walk next year, but they aren’t doing anything with him this year.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:17 am
JFB, you’re right ! Can’t make it three.
Saw an earlier comment of yours noting the amount of LBs the Raids were bringing in and suggesting the writing is on the wall for Curry.
I think you’re onto something there – except that I don’t think it’s Curry that should be very concerned.
Writing is on the wall for your boy, Slow.
Let’s look at the situation…
Slow is facing off the field legal problems which might very easily lead to a suspension.
Even if Slow is available for all of 2012, his health and durability are now in question.
There’s also the qustion of hustle and commitment as evidenced by incidents last season and thoroughly debated here.
But most important of all, we don’t call him SLOW for nothing.
Of course, I’m hoping you’re right and Slow has a great season and career.
Just don’t see it happening.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am
And no team will trade for Lechler on a one-year 5.5 million dollar guaranteed contract, unless we took like a 2016 6th rounder.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Practice squad, maybe have him fake an injury and IR him or something. This is (I believe) the last year of Lechler ’s contract, Andrew based on what we’ve seen from The Reggie thus far, there’s no way he’s going to pay Lechler anything close to what he’s currently making.
It’s just not normal to sign an undrafted free agent punter to a three year deal. There’s more to this than meets the eye.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Rolando = 2012 Raiders defensive MVP
April 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am
*AND based on…
Damned touchscreens.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:21 am
It’s just not normal to sign an undrafted free agent punter to a three year deal. There’s more to this than meets the eye.
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No doubt there is some thought behind it.
I just think it is more in line with the thought of maybe that helps HIS trade value some way, or in case Shane blows out a knee or something, more so than a tip of the hand that they are ready to schlepp off Shane.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:22 am
But, I guess we shall see.
Gotta jet, Raider On
April 29th, 2012 at 8:23 am
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/04/28/undrafted-players-hidden-gems/
April 29th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Why offer a 3 year contract (voidable if doesnt make team: ie, beat out lechler).
What if he does beat him out? Actually, even if he ends up matching Lechler’s distance, hang-time, and consistency? What then? You have a Lechler v2.0 for $600k for 3 years -or- aging vet for $5m to re-sign years end.
If you let the kid go anyway, and say, when we let Lechler go end of 2012, and look for another Punter, by that the kid will end up as another team’s punter, lost him. Sterling Moore example.
Why offer 3 years not 1 too? The 3 hints at the POSSIBILITY of such a decision.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Likewise guys, i have to get going. Nice chatting. Nice drafting. See you again soon.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Aaron Henry, Dom Hamilton, Lucas Nix and Derek Carrier all have a chance to make the 53-man roster.
Conroy Black and Chaz Powell are very interesting prospects, and might have value in a thin secondary. Likely practice squad players that could be promoted if they show something in training camp.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
#359 that’s a thought, Teach. Fake injury, IR King, have him start 2013. Still, i don’t think that’s Reggie’s character to think this way. Faking and pretending. He’s more cut-throat business-like and preaches accountability. Plus that whole “out of whack” thing again you mentioned is important point.
Anyway, this time i’m gone :p
April 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Rolando = 2012 Raiders defensive MVP
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He better be…with Reggie surrounding him with nothing but talent!!
April 29th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Disappointed the Raiders missed out on Leonard Johnson and Sammy Brown as UDFAs, but who knows, they may get another shot at them if they’re cut after the preseason. I think both players would be a good fit in Oakland.
Still holding out hope for Cordarro Law. Another DE/OLB hybrid rusher like Brandon Lindsey (who went to the Steelers, though the Raiders had interest in signing him). Could provide depth behind Tollefson and Burris.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I still think bringing Quentin Groves back for LB depth would be a wise move. DE/OLB hybrid, can back up at 4-3 SLB and maybe even be a situational rusher in 3-4 looks.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am
You don’t mess with the BEST kicking game in the NFL.
Lechler and Janikowski are weapons and a Raider strength.
This kid from Fort Valley MIGHT be good.
We know Lechler IS good. Scratch that, we know Lechler is outstanding. Perhaps the best in the NFL.
Raids would be nuts to dump Lechler.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:35 am
We gave an URFA punter a 3 year contract?! I hope he can make the team. I don’t like 2 ST players making $10+ million per season. We can sign an impact DE, WR, DT, or CB for that kind of money. I like our PB kickers, but it’s a luxury we can’t afford at this time IMO. Find a way to pay them without using a lot of cap space, or it’s time to move on.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Went for a late night booze run to the kwiki-mart…Was grabbing some malt liquor when this bedraggled older dude comes up and says, “That’s no good. Buy this stuff. Cheaper and higher alcohol content.”…After paying for my beer, the old dude catches up to me outside and says, “I know a good park to drink in. What do you say?”…Though my instincts were screaming, “No! Run away!” I decided “Ah, what the hell…Old dude looks harmless” and joined him on his park bench for a drink…It wasn’t too bad until he started trying to sell me a chalet in Switzerland, at which point I got the hell out of there…Old fool was still rambling on about the chalet as I was leaving…Don’t think he even noticed I was gone.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Good day Nation.
My fav rookies this draft:
1- LB Miles Burris ( Go Aztecs )
2- WR Juron Criner
3- TE Derek Carrier
April 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am
LOL Canuck.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am
It wouldn’t be beyond the realm of possibility that Reggie is smart enough to realize how expendable a punter is and how easily replaced Lechler would be. Ive been saying it for years – he’s a waste of payroll that could be spent on someone who can tackle.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am
You know, as I was looking over the draft results, it occurred to me that Tony Bergstrom may very well have been clearly the best player available when he was drafted. It took a lot of people by surprise because it wasn’t a “sexy” or “impact” pick.
But when you look at it, linebackers didn’t start coming off the board until around the time the Raiders picked Burris.
Some of you wanted Ta’amu, but apparently he, like Chapman, had medical red flags. And once it got to pick #95 and Ta’amu was still on the board, even if the Raiders REALLY wanted a NT, there was going to be a good chance they’d have one available to them with the 4th round comp pick.
Other names were Massie (and the Raiders wouldn’t be the only team who simply doesn’t think he’s very good), DE/OLB Lewis (medical and character red flags), and Bradham (overrated, questionable instincts, not an early contributor).
Looks like the Raiders went with the guy they knew could contribute the earliest, which is exactly what they needed at #95.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Really like what we did with limited picks…A few possible roster players and special teamers, along with some promising developmental projects. Hardy and/or Carrier could possibly become mismatch TEs for us…Likely two or three veteran FAs still to come when the next round of cuts hits.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Another interesting UDFA signing is Kaelin Burnett. A DE in college, he’ll likely shift to OLB for the Raiders. 6′4, 235 lbs, 4.6 40 time.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Here’s a link with Janette Thompson interviewing Tony Bergstrom!
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Behind-the-Shield-with-Tony-Bergstrom/0ff0ff53-1a86-40a6-ab6e-59d13b07e7a9
April 29th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Also, Mario Kurn from San Diego. Tackling machine in college.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Good competition at LB now…O-line depth and power better with Bergstrom and Biesel as well.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Draft review:
OG Tony Bergstrom: Love that he’s got all the intangibles but it’s not your classic overachiever, the guy has size and athleticism as well, should be a fixture next to Veldheer for a number of years.
LB Miles Burris: This guy just reminds me of Teddy Bruschi, he can follow his career path, starting as a Pass Rushing specialist and ST ace before settling in as an all-around LB.
DE Jack Crawford: Ideal measurables at close to 6′5 and 275 (with room to grow) for a base LDE in a 4-3.
Raw but talented, more potential than production so far but you have to grab some of these upside guys as well, give your coaches a kid with tools and trust that they can turn them into players.
In a year or two he could be Matt Shaugnessy’s bookend with Houton and Bryant inside full-time.
WR Juron Criner: We don’t have a guy like him, big 6′2 1/2 and 224, can jump (38′ vertical) and has huge hands, we don’t need him to run fast, we have DHB, Moore, Ford and Murphy to stretch the field.
This kid could be our possession receiver working the middle, shielding smaller CB’s away with that big body and also red zone target, that fade route everyone loves these days seems perfect for him, at least it will give the opponent something to think about when leaving him single-covered down the sideline, may force them to adjust and open up the middle, that is if he starts making some plays obviously.
DL Christo Bilukidi: Nobody knows anything about him besides some youtube highlights, but the Raiders worked him out and saw enough to draft him, I’ll trust Reggie on this one.
LB Nathan Stupar: You know what you’re gettin with these Penn State LB’s, a hard-working, all effort player who’s gonna watch tape and know the defense.
The thing about Stupar is that he was their Nickel LB, so he understands coverage (strictly zone from what I’ve read) so that gives you a little plus.
He also has decent speed at 4.7 and killed the agility drills, he was among the best at the combine so he’s more athletic than you’d think.
At least a Special Teams standout but might earn some playing time in certain packages and provide decent depth.
Not much more you can ask for what I feel is a strong 7th round pick.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
LT: Veldheer
LG: CC/ Rookie
C: Wiz
RG: Brisiel
RT: Barnes/ Barksdale: we need to upgrade that position.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:02 am
just saw that the chefs got Devon wylie, that dude in the slot is going to eat up our new slow corners….I hope they are not on the field this year and DVD and Chekwa can hold it down. Wylie ran 4.29 forty…. crazy.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Some of you wanted Ta’amu, but apparently he, like Chapman, had medical red flags.
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What “medical red flags” did Ta’amu have.
Based on what we did in the draft, and UDFA, a big NT was not a priority.
The org believes they have the personnel to be competitive, a big clogger NT may not fit the scheme.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I’d hope Rich Seymour takes both Christo and Crawford under his wing and teaches them a thing or two about playing DL in the NFL.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Gonna run by the park to make sure the old fool isn’t still lying on his bench covered in pigeon poop or something…He seemed to be pretty messed up to say the least.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am
383.CanuckRaider Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Good competition at LB now…O-line depth and power better with Bergstrom and Biesel as well.
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Bergstrom and Biesel?
You may have something there.
It sounds good if nothing else….like Shell and Upshaw.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:08 am
#384: Good capsules Marley…As for Criner, remember how the knock on Fitzgerald was that he was “slow”…I’d say he did okay.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
AFC west will not be the doormat division this year.
All 4 teams will be tough outs, not a gimme in the lot.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Please!
R Seymour shouldn’t be allowed within 5 feet of these kids. Whats he going to teach them? How to play 3 games a year? Meltdown and cost your team ? Jump off sides and 3rd and 2 ?
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Bob Marley Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I’d hope Rich Seymour takes both Christo and Crawford under his wing and teaches them a thing or two about playing DL in the NFL.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
#390: The “Killer Bs”?…It’s been used before but what the heck.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
JFB, we draft a WR a big guy possession WR that we need, and you “magically” convert him to TE?
GTFOH….
April 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am
#392: Funny the difference a year makes eh?
April 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am
MistaBrown Says:
Please!
R Seymour shouldn’t be allowed within 5 feet of these kids. Whats he going to teach them? How to play 3 games a year? Meltdown and cost your team ? Jump off sides and 3rd and 2 ?
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Bob Marley Says:
I’d hope Rich Seymour takes both Christo and Crawford under his wing and teaches them a thing or two about playing DL in the NFL.
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Mista.
Hopefully not that!.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am
*on 3rd and 2
April 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am
LOL
Well thats what R Seymour is at this point in his career.
I know you watch the games Bob…
April 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am
CanuckRaider Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am
#392: Funny the difference a year makes eh?
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Yeah it is. what is even more funny is the draft grade we received from the NFL analyst.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Mista.
Yeah, but don’t forget he’s an All-Decade player, he knows what it takes.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
I’m not going to youtube and evaluate this draft. I’ll let the tools like tj, SeyGlen, and KK do that. When these kids get on the field and in a uniform I will know what we have.
We don’t know at this point if Reggie took a dump in his shorts or not. So a memo tothe fans that are screaming like babies and the people on their knee’s in front of Reg…..calm down and shut the F up because you have no idea what we have.
The end
April 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Yawn.
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Bob Marley Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Mista.
Yeah, but don’t forget he’s an All-Decade player, he knows what it takes.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am
DL Christo Bilukidi: Nobody knows anything about him besides some youtube highlights, but the Raiders worked him out and saw enough to draft him, I’ll trust Reggie on this one.
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The youtube highlights are telling;
1. Shows his agility, strength, and footwork. Kid reminds me of SUH in this regard.
2. He should dominate the lesser tier opponents, and he did with strength, speed, and power.
Our personnel dept is on another level now.
This kid is going to be the steal of the 2012 draft.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Something has to be done with L Houston, move him inside or release him. He is the invisible non factor man @ LDE.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am
MistaBrown Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
I’m not going to youtube and evaluate this draft. I’ll let the tools like tj, SeyGlen, and KK do that. When these kids get on the field and in a uniform I will know what we have.
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Once these kids put on a uni you will know what we have?? You don’t know sh**. You can barely operate a fork. You can’t spell, you can’t count, thinking is way beyond hope for you, you just spew garbage that others feed your fetid feeble mind. Stay out of the fast lane with your can filled shopping cart.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am
It will be years maybe before we really know whether it was good or bad, but now that it’s over does anybody really feel that they “mortgaged our future” with the Carson Palmer move?
I realize we still have to pay another #1 next year. (cuz we will make the AFC champ. game).
April 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am
394.CanuckRaider Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
#390: The “Killer Bs”?…It’s been used before but what the heck.
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Bash and Bruise?
April 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Peymour, just 1 alias today?
Why dont you remind us how Lechler is a “placement” kicker or your famous “Anybody with half a brain can see JaMeatball is a bonafide NFl qb”
April 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am
#407, the Palmer trade was a good one.
You don’t go anywhere without a good quarterback, and we haven’t had one since Gannon.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am
No player available at 17th or later would make a bigger contribution than Carson Palmer over the next 3 years.
Future spans 3 years at the most in today’s NFL.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am
I thought that Lechler was not the kicker he was last year as in the past. He had many punts returned for yardage. Might have been coverage but I saw a decline last year. Many punters signed their tags as Shane drove up the price at that position. The Jags cut Nick Harris after picking Anger in 3rd round. Harris had signed a new contract in March.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I realize we still have to pay another #1 next year. (cuz we will make the AFC champ. game).
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Palmer plays like Great its a wash, need 3 seasons to evaluate if this was a good move or not, year one included.
We make a deep playoff run, then yes it would be worth it.
I am of the opinion the best way to build a team is through the draft and UDFA;
If you do the homework you will have a good idea who can play.
You can get guys that can fit the scheme you are running.
Newly drafted players you get to keep for a while. With a solid org, and coaching can develop them into good players.
Another teams vets can be costly.
Another team vets could have “other issues”.
Being fiscally responsible.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Thec Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Some of you wanted Ta’amu, but apparently he, like Chapman, had medical red flags.
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What “medical red flags” did Ta’amu have.
Based on what we did in the draft, and UDFA, a big NT was not a priority.
The org believes they have the personnel to be competitive, a big clogger NT may not fit the scheme.
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Adam Caplan said there were weight concerns and he had some nagging injuries in college – sounded like foot/knee problems.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am
We have a good QB, Good OL, and a great RB. If our defense can be avg, we can win the west.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Even giving up two high picks, Palmer is worth it.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Houston is the most talented, consistent defensive lineman the Raiders have. Those who don’t see that don’t know what they’re watching.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
And Bob you bring up a really good point having Seymour mentor these young Dline prospects especially Christo.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
One thing that jumps out from looking at Burris’s highlights is it looks like the kid plays all out, hustling all over the field. Hopefully McClain takes notice and decides to up his game.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 224.
40 Time: 4.68.
Vertical: 38.
Broad: 9-9.
Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 10 1/2.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
4/24/12: Criner had a phenomenal Senior Bowl. He was excellent all week at getting separation and making tough catches. Criner was very polished in his route running and showed good hands. Unfortunately, his Combine performance was disappointing with a slow 40 time. That prevented him from improving his stock towards the top of the second day. Criner improved on it slightly at this pro day with a time of 4.6. Criner is a better football player than track athlete, so if teams trust the tape more than the Combine he shouldn’t fall far out of the top 80 picks.
Criner was productive in 2011 with 75 receptions for 956 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was the most reliable and consistent weapon for quarterback Nick Foles. An appendectomy kept Criner out against Oklahoma State, and Arizona really missed him. He excels at jump balls downfield. Criner looks like a potential possession receiver in the NFL who could be a good red-zone weapon. He reportedly has some off-the-field concerns.
8/19/11: After considering going pro, Juron Criner decided to return for his senior season with the Wildcats. It was probably a good decision as some personal issues had some wondering if he would play in the 2011 season. Criner showed up for camp on time and allegedly was dealing with a family illness. Last season, he had a massive year for Arizona. Criner caught 82 passes for 1,233 yards and 11 touchdowns. He repeatedly bailed out quarterback Nick Foles on deep passes that were tossed up for grabs. Criner uses his size, body control, and leaping ability to come down with some big catches. There are faster receivers than Criner, but he provides good hands with a big target and still runs well.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Houston is a good guy vs the run…wish he was our UT….him at LDE is a joke cuz he isn’t quick enough around the edge
April 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Houston is the most talented, consistent defensive lineman the Raiders have. Those who don’t see that don’t know what they’re watching.
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I don’t know if I would quite agree with that. I am a BIG Lamar Houston fan, but if you read my comments above about the “wrecking ball defense” and unselfishness, THERE is where you find Seymour. He constantly takes double teams which should free up the others. I think that is one reason Wimbley was let go: Wimbley really was not doubled as much as one would think and his production did not match either that fact or the size of his contract.
The guy who I think has an incredibly bright future is Des Bryant. Kid can just flat out play the game.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Football Speed vs Straight Line speed.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Seymour mentor the young guys? Lol that’s funny….if it was 2001-20008 Seymour I could give ya that….but seymour sucks now…..sorry
April 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Stringer Bell Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
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You still have not answered the question why they put ya head out the wire???
April 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Criner: BPA = great Value
Burris: Steal of the draft = another 4th round steal
April 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Yeah, I mean, Seymour was obviously one of the best in the league for a long time, but upside wise? He doesn’t have a lot left in the tank. Definitely needs his snaps reduced.
Houston certainly isn’t an edge rusher, but put him on the inside and you’re looking at a guy who is going to be VERY disruptive in the backfield.
As it is right now, most disciplined, consistent lineman the Raiders have. Particularly against the run.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
So Criner is to be the big bodied wr we been missing? Hope he develops into Marques Colston and gives us a real number 1 wr…..dhb works hard and has improved but he isn’t myy ideal starter
April 29th, 2012 at 9:55 am
The West is not going to be a cakewalk or the doormat.
every one of those games is going to be a very very tough out.
The org, and coaching staff have its work cut out.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Method To My Madness Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Seymour mentor the young guys? Lol that’s funny….if it was 2001-20008 Seymour I could give ya that….but seymour sucks now…..sorry
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That’s why the Raiders extended his contract. Because he can’t play. Bri, you are beginning to sound emotional and weird like KK. Again if my choice was listening to guys who have been incredibly successful in the league for 20+ years or you and Jamista Clown, I have to go with the league guys.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am
B,
It’s good to have you back bro. Seymour is not a run stuffer, but he plays the pass well. I agree with you, I think Houston can play better inside, have Bryant and Shaughnessy play LDE, and we should add a RDE capable of getting double digit sacks.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Thec Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Stringer Bell Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
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You still have not answered the question why they put ya head out the wire???
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Can only be one alpha dog, just ask Hubert.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
YA….I so bad want Kelly to leave or even get a high ankle sprain so Houston can slide inside
April 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Criner is about the same size as DHB. DHB is faster.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Glad to see everyone is coming around to the fact that draft picks are overhyped and the Palmer trade was a great deal for us. Three or four years from now half the guys drafted in Round 1 the other night will be backups or out of the league entirely. There will be some impact players and stars too, but very few will have the kind of impact Carson should have on this team.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I think we got 3 starters and a TE who can contribute.
Starters:
G from Utah
LB Miles Burris
WR J Criner (I think he will start, but not this season)
I also like the young TE Derek Carrier. The guy can catch and run. 6′3, 240, and runs a 4.5 40. I hope we don’t try to convert him to another FB! lol
April 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Criner is the guy we have been missing at WR.
I did not want us drafting an offensive player especial a WR however, when i saw this kid still on the board i mentioned during the draft he and streeter would be interesting picks.
I thought he would be a good value proposition. Adds a big young body we need that has hands and vert.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Burris will be the von miller of our defense. I like the christo and criner picks as well. Also like aaron henry. Also see that reg got alot from penn state and penn state was known for having a good defense. Not bad for Reggie’s first draft as our GM cant wait for the season to start
April 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Bryant would be a VERY solid LDE.
As far as I’m concerned, Seymour should rotate between UT and LDE depending on the situation. Bryant and Houston can play both positions.
TK is going to have to be the 1-tech for now. Less than ideal, but let’s see what Allen and Tarver can do schematically. Also, as I said before, don’t count out Dom Hamilton. If he can learn the ropes in training camp, he’d be a nice fit there on running downs.
With Shaughnessy and Tollefson at RDE, and Crawford adding depth at either DE spot, the Raiders may have some decent depth this season.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Oh and stupid ass Hardline….I saw your idiotic post about the Sac Kings deal…..the Maloofs backed out of deal cuz they are snakes and always have been. You still have no point at all. You don’t shake hands do the presser and all that crying that Gavin Maloof did then turn your back after agreement has been reached. That’s not being a man…..still Sac ain’t going to any place else but Sacramento….now shut your LA supporting ass up and be happy with the Chargers and Vikings
April 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Regarding Lechler, yes, $5 million+ is a lot to tie up in a punter. But Lechler is a unique, reliable player who changes field position game after game, year after year. I’d be sad to see him go.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Method To My Madness Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
YA….I so bad want Kelly to leave or even get a high ankle sprain so Houston can slide inside
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Houston try his hand at 1-tech. That motor of his will help him command double-teams on the inside. Plays with great leverage and discipline. I’m excited to see what the defensive coaches come up with for him.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Criner is about the same size as DHB. DHB is faster.
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Criner is a natural WR. Has a 38 inch vert and catches everything.
He made nick foles…
This is a good value pick that ups our WR corp….
April 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
The new dline rotation will take advantage of the players strengths. No more square peg round hole stuff.
Look for a logical progression, and improvement.
Do not sleep on the rooks drafted….
April 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Houston belongs inside, but he’s never shown he can play on TK’s level. Not sure why so many want TK out of the way. Maybe because Houston has been out of position at DE you could argue that’s what’s held him back, I suppose.
I like Houston too, and I think he and Bryant cane be the future at DT. I just don’t get the rush to kick TK out when he’s really been an elite DT the last couple of years.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Our WR corp if they can stay healthy will be top 3 in the NFL…
Print that…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am
I just think TK needs to spend less time on the field. When he wears down he’s a liability.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
YA….RDE situation is bad…I can’t get excited about it yet
April 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
WRs: Moore, DHB, Ford, Criner, and LM
TEs: Ausberry, Myers, Gordon, and Carrier
RBs: DMC, Goodson, and Jones
FB: Reece, Gordon
QB: Palmer, TP
You can’t stop us!!! We were 9th or 10th last year in total offense. This year we will be a top 5 team!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Kelly and Seymour both need to sit down….at least seymour has done something in his life….kelly? Never
April 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
WRs: Moore, DHB, Ford, Criner, and LM
TEs: Ausberry, Myers, Gordon, and Carrier
RBs: DMC, Goodson, and Jones
FB: Reece, Gordon
QB: Palmer, TP
You can’t stop us!!! We were 9th or 10th last year in total offense. This year we will be a top 5 team!
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We better be…cause our Defense sure won’t!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
WRs: Moore, DHB, Ford, Criner, and LM
TEs: Ausberry, Myers, Gordon, and Carrier
RBs: DMC, Goodson, and Jones
FB: Reece, Gordon
QB: Palmer, TP
You can’t stop us!!! We were 9th or 10th last year in total offense. This year we will be a top 5 team!
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I had the Raids as a top 5 O last year before we were beset with injuries.
We stay healthy, we are top 5 O, no question…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Lechler will retire a Raider, no way he is going anywhere. There will be riots in the locker room and in the stands. Not only is he the best punter in the league, he is the team leader.
I was there when he hit that 80 harder against the Bears. I still remember the reaction as soon as the ball left his foot, it was nuts.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am
We better be…cause our Defense sure won’t!
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I am going to wait and see on the D. We have a new coach staff and D philosophy.
I am even going to give McCheese a pass through presea, and first 2 games.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Raider O……..no at the fb…..Tonga is way better than Gordon….dissing our only true FB is not wise
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Method To My Madness Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
YA….RDE situation is bad…I can’t get excited about it yet
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I wouldn’t say it’s bad so much as tenuous. If Shaughnessy can stay healthy and keep improving the Raiders are in good shape. But since he hasn’t had two seasons in a row as a regular starter, it’s hard to know what to expect.
Shaughnessy would be a great fit at LDE down the line. Raiders will be looking for an impact pass rusher in the draft next season, though.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
R8,
We need our defense to be just avg, and we can win the west. Our defense was terrible last year, and our offense wasn’t at its best, and we still finished 8-8, top 10 offense, and missed the POs by one game.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
R8eray….yeah the D worries
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Method To My Madness Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
YA….I so bad want Kelly to leave or even get a high ankle sprain so Houston can slide inside
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Houston try his hand at 1-tech. That motor of his will help him command double-teams on the inside. Plays with great leverage and discipline. I’m excited to see what the defensive coaches come up with for him.
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It is going to be interesting to see what Dennis Allen can do with our Defensive Line. Allen did a fantastic job coaching the dlines in both Atlanta and then in New Orleans.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I wonder if Burris would’ve done the “Stafford Whiff” if put in the same situation.
“Stafford Whiff”- A dance move made famous when 1st rd. draft pick Rolando McClain inexplicably missed a tackle on 4th down against the Detroit Lions’ QB Matthew Stafford in an important game, in a crucial situation in the latter part of the 2011 NFL season.
It was discovered later that if McClain had not “whiffed” on the tackle the Raiders would have most certainly won the game and assured themselves of the Afc West title and a berth in the playoffs.
The “Stafford Whiff” has been officially banned in the city of Oakland, Ca. Severe penalties for violation.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Method To My Madness Says, #440
April 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Method,
I told you the Maloofs are snakes and Dennis Johnson is a retard, but you weren’t listening; now you know.
Furthermore:
“now shut your LA supporting ass up and be happy with the Chargers and Vikings.”
Chargers and the Vikings ??? I can’t stand the Chargers and never liked the Vikings. They will never come to Los Angeles. Believe me when I say this, the Raiders will stay in Oakland. With the economy as it is Raiders best bet for us is to become great again and re-build there.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Thec,
We should be up in the top 5 or so,assuming we stay relatively healthy. The biggest wild card on offense is going from Hue to Knapp.
If the Raiders offense slows down this year we all know it’s because Hue’s no longer calling the shots on that side of the ball, because this is the best talent we’ve had on offense in a long time.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
That is a typo, should be tonga as he has Gordon listed at TE.
Also with respect to FB, a lot of good quality FB’s went undrafted. I would like to see us bring in one, and kick the tires…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Time to hoop….see y’all later
April 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Triple Dub Bri!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Chris in NY Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Thec,
We should be up in the top 5 or so,assuming we stay relatively healthy. The biggest wild card on offense is going from Hue to Knapp.
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Agreed, i think a lot of the semi’s have the same concerns.
Another “wildcard” would be Al Saunders. How much influence will he have on the O.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
B,
I don’t think we will keep 2 FBs, and since Gordon is capable of playing FB, I can’t see Tonga staying.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
It is a shame the negative ‘Nellies’ like to dominate this place.They really turn it into a downer.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Don’t confuse the “Stafford Whiff” with the “San Diego Shuffle”
“San Diego Shuffle”- Hopefully a short lived dance craze est. in Oakland, Ca. wherein two grown men stand up and play patty cake with each other while another man holds a ball in his hand for 5 minutes before tossing it to another man who is standing alone. The man who catches the ball runs with it for a long time and celebrates with another dance when it’s all over.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Having 2 FBs is wasting a roster spot, especially when you have a TE capable of playing FB IMO..
April 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I wouldn’t count on Saunders having much major input. I think he was kept around just to maintain some sense of continuity on that side of the ball. With the switch to the ZBS and all the talk of Knapp’s play book, it seems pretty clear to me that this is Knapp’s show on offense.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
DJ Johnny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I wonder if Burris would’ve done the “Stafford Whiff” if put in the same situation.
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Good one. While the “Stafford Whiff” is certainly a popular dance move in the Detroit area, with Burris out there, the new dance craze flooding thru Oaktown would have been the “kittykat beatdown”.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DJ Johnny,
Regarding the Stafford Whiff: Slowando, after yesterday’s draft rounds must have a deep pain in the bottom of his stomach. I think his days are numbered.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am
hris in NY Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I wouldn’t count on Saunders having much major input. I think he was kept around just to maintain some sense of continuity on that side of the ball. With the switch to the ZBS and all the talk of Knapp’s play book, it seems pretty clear to me that this is Knapp’s show on offense.
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I dont know, maybe they melt both playbooks into 1 giant war and peace novel…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am
What about the “Detroit Dubstep”?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Some teams don’t have a FB on their roster, so I doubt we will carry 2.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Later B.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Lefty,
I predict Raiders go 12-4 this year.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Thec,
I think Tonga is the best blocking FB on the roster, but are we going to carry 1 extra FB to block when we have a good blocking TE who can play FB?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
460. no Burris doesn’t seem like the type to McWhiff like McLame does. we’ll see how much improved he is in his 3rd year. seriously folks, DHB looked like he was on his way out of the league, as was DMC, until their 3rd year where they turned on a light switch. if McShooty is to start playing consistently under a DC minded HC, this is his year. we shall see.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
473.Hardline Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DJ Johnny,
Regarding the Stafford Whiff: Slowando, after yesterday’s draft rounds must have a deep pain in the bottom of his stomach. I think his days are numbered.
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I agree. Hopefully he takes it as a challenge to up his game.
I want McClain to succeed. I wonder how much rope Reggie and DA will give him.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am
DJ,
You keep talking about the Stafford Whiff, but I don’t hear anything about Shaughnessy being outran by Peyton Manning!!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:51 am
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No offense to @nflnetwork, but I don’t get manufactured programming/content. Compile bogus Top 100 list, then debate obvious bad selections?
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what obvious bad selections? A few of those ones you thought were bad will look brilliant in 5 years, and a few will look even worse. A few of the ones you think are brilliant now will look terrible in 5 years, and a few will look brilliant. But most of the terrible or brilliant ones will not be the ones you thought that way about now. So what is obvious? The ones that look bad AND ALSO look like reaches to fill glaring need are historically the ones most likely to be bad, but little is obvious for another 3-5 years. A few, you will know in a couple years, but none do you know now
April 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
It happens. Get over it!! You People….. Stafford was the 1st pick of the draft, and the guy is a good player when he is healthy. I’m sure Ray Lewis missed a few tackles too.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Mayor McCheese has been put on notice.
He gets the presea, and 2 games….
April 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am
482.Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am
DJ,
You keep talking about the Stafford Whiff, but I don’t hear anything about Shaughnessy being outran by Peyton Manning!!
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For the record, I didn’t like it when that happened.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:01 am
he missed a lot of tackles in games i went to. the point is O that he had to make a play to seal the game and he didn’t. that’s why people are pissed! as am I! i was freakin there! it was heart breaking.
not saying he sucks, he just needs to take it to the next level. to say rolando doesn’t need work is like saying JaBustus has a fighting chance to get back into the league.
he just needs to get smart when shooting the right gap and take better angles to make the tackle. its no secret that he needs a lot of work if he is to survive the NFL. here’s hoping he accomplishes it!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am
DJ,
My point is that young players make mistakes. Shaughnessy took the wrong angle, and McClain should have made the tackle, but we can’t judge players based on 1 good/ bad play. Our entire defense didn’t play well last season, but its way too early to judge guys like Shaughnessy, McClain, DVD, etc… Look at DHB, he was our most productive WR, and people think he is a bust.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:04 am
So McClain is the reason why Stafford/ Lions scored at the end to win the game? Was he the reason why the Bills were able to score at the end to win that game too? Was he responsible for the last loss of the season?
April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
yes O, they all need to put it together this year. we have our LB and DE Depth, and we need these rookies to step in and help out.. and some to even start. no more excuses from here on out on defense! Chucky B isn’t around anymore.. we have a defensive minded team now, and it showed yesterday with the picks.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Bryant would be a VERY solid LDE.
As far as I’m concerned, Seymour should rotate between UT and LDE depending on the situation. Bryant and Houston can play both positions.
TK is going to have to be the 1-tech for now. Less than ideal, but let’s see what Allen and Tarver can do schematically. Also, as I said before, don’t count out Dom Hamilton. If he can learn the ropes in training camp, he’d be a nice fit there on running downs.
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I would not be surprised if the new defensive coaches shuffle the deck and play these players at new positions like you say. Makes sense to me too…the talent wasn’t well utilized by old coaching staff. We’ll see what the new coaches can cook up. Kelly played 4-3 LDE some his first few years and I don’t see why he couldn’t play 3-4 LDE if he stays around
April 29th, 2012 at 11:06 am
not responsible, he just needed to make the play and didn’t. that’s why people are mad. not saying he’s the sole reason at all. im sure there were others that needed to make plays and didn’t that cost us.
but it’s kind of like the QB and the HC, they get all the blame in the NFL, do they not? well when a play on 4th down like that sticks out as a WHIFF, people seldom forget about it.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
The best thing about Dennis Allen is that he sounds like a football coach. Very direct and to the point.
I don’t suspect we’ll ever see pics of him getting his toes done.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
All our players need work, but I don’t think we should give up on players after a few seasons especially our players who played for 2 different DCs, and one of them is a drunk Nudist Monkey.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
add: much like a costly INT or a bad call by the coach. it just sticks out more than the rest. it’s stupid to blame 1 man for a Sunday NFL football game loss. it’s a freakin team sport.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Criner was the steal of the draft for the Raiders
April 29th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Donte Paige-Moss could be a nice UDFA signing. Likely won’t get anything out of him for 2012 because of an ACL tear, but was dominant at times for UNC. Frequently outplayed his teammate Coples.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I wouldn’t count on Saunders having much major input. I think he was kept around just to maintain some sense of continuity on that side of the ball. With the switch to the ZBS and all the talk of Knapp’s play book, it seems pretty clear to me that this is Knapp’s show on offense.
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as far as ZBS, throughout the Cable years we used ZBS, last year after Cable left we went mostly power but used a few zone-stretch plays. I can’t remember if Saunders was around at all in 2010, but either way, we don’t know yet how much influence he’ll have going forward until at least late into training camp
April 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
McClain needs to improve
Branch and MM need to improve their coverage skills
Huff needs to improve his tackling
Our entire front 7 have to improve against the run
Curry needs to play better
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Also, Rutgers DL Justin Francis.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am
YA,
I like Moss a lot, and he made a huge mistake leaving early.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Some good UDFA targets still out there:
OL Moe Petrus
DL Justin Francis
DE/OLB Donte Paige-Moss
DE/OLB Cordarro Law
April 29th, 2012 at 11:15 am
alzadoX Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I wouldn’t count on Saunders having much major input. I think he was kept around just to maintain some sense of continuity on that side of the ball. With the switch to the ZBS and all the talk of Knapp’s play book, it seems pretty clear to me that this is Knapp’s show on offense.
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as far as ZBS, throughout the Cable years we used ZBS, last year after Cable left we went mostly power but used a few zone-stretch plays. I can’t remember if Saunders was around at all in 2010, but either way, we don’t know yet how much influence he’ll have going forward until at least late into training camp
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Saunders was pretty involved in the voluntary mini’s. Just look at the photo’s. No one has metioned Luke Nix the FA offensive guard. Nix is a brauler who was slated to be a 3rd or 4th rounder and that we got for nothing. Strictly a ZBS kind of player. Let’s see what he can do at this level.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Two more signings for the Raiders:
Rod Streater, WR, Temple
Raph Guidry, DT, Kansas State
April 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
O being the blog voice of reason.I never thought that would happen.LOL
April 29th, 2012 at 11:18 am
I can’t wait to see what that kid from Angola is about. Nice size at 6′4″, 285. A little bigger that Justin Tuck. But it is one thing to go against kids from Valdosta State and going up against Joe Thomas and Logan Mankins.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Don’t be dissing Valdosta State.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:25 am
haha. Nothing wrong with Valdosta St.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
According to NEPatriotsDraft.com, here’s the unconfirmed list of Raiders UDFA signings:
Marqutte King, P, Fort Valley State
Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
Dominique Hamilton, DT, Missouri
Chaz Powell, CB, Penn State
Thomas Mayo, WR, Cal (Pa)
Lucas Nix, OG, Pitt
Conroy Black, CB, Utah
Dan Knapp, OL, Arizona State
Derek Carrier, TE, Beloit
Mario Kurn, LB, San Diego
Kaelin Burnett, DE, Nevada
Brandon Carswell, USC, WR
Rod Streater, WR, Temple
Ralph Guidry, DT, Kansas State
Darius Nall, DE, UCF (TRYOUT)
April 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Viewing the highlight reels of Burris, dude looks like King Kong at the line before the snap. He has huge arms and upper body with which he looms menancingly.
He is scary looking. One thing about Burris is that playing on the outside he seems to have an extreme talent for not getting tangled up with opposition blockers. He either goes around them, or between them, for a clean shot to the RB or QB, or sheds them quickly.
I saw Burris make a play where he blitzed from the outside and looped around the edge. The left guard saw him and engaged him, but he was so strong he pushed the guard into the QB, who went down immediately. Awesome play.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Guys, I dont think Lechler is going to be a Raider for much longer. Love the guy but he is too expensive in the eyes of the new regime. As soon as they can figure out away to solve his cap space, he’s gone.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Hardline,
Yeah I love Burris. I must admit that I didnt see anything special jump out at Bergstrom. But Burris is in another league on his hilite tape…even against Boise and Michigan.
Bench 455, Squat 650. That’s how he sheds blockers or go right through them.
We got ourselves cheap versions of Clay Matthews and Suh this year. Hope they can play at the NFL level.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am
So McClain is the reason why Stafford/ Lions scored at the end to win the game? Was he the reason why the Bills were able to score at the end to win that game too?
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Yes and Yes.
If Slow tackles Stafford on 4th down – Game over.
If Slow doesn’t drop a pick thrown to him during the last drive in Buff, or maybe lines up correctly on the 4th down TD – Game over.
Good players make plays in the clutch.
Slow was completely UNBLOCKED and whiffed on a QB on a game determining play. He wasn’t trying to tackle Barry Sanders.
Even if you can put aside the ‘whiff’ and some other poor plays there’s other reasons to be disgusted by Slow.
The ‘jog’ after Fred Jackson was disgraceful. Complete lack of hustle.
Then of course, there’s the questionable committment. He really needed an entire week off to attend a funeral ? And then winds up getting arrested ?
He’s also noted for being a prick with the fans.
Screw McClain and the horse he rode in on.
Slow gets one more chance due to his draft status. Another player would have been justifiably released after the crap he’s put out.
Maybe he’ll get suspended or pull some other bonehead stunt. Or maybe he’ll be unable to continue due to injury.
That’ll save the staff the hard decision to cut ties with him.
Or maybe he’ll make me and others eat crow.
Hope it’s the latter.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@445 Chris in NY-
Lamar Houston does not belong inside.
He is a perfect Defensive End. The only reason he didn’t get the sacks is because he was forced to play mostly snaps where a run or pass was a possibility. The plays where an obvious pass was coming, Wimbley would jump down to the 5 tech and the Nickle corner would come in the game.
Chris, did you get your opinion on Houston from Paul Guitierrez? He said the same thing you did….and you are both wrong.
Lamar Hoston was second on the defense with tackles per snap on the field. He had 1 tackle for every 11 snaps he played. The only player with a higher average was Branch with a 1 in 10 ratio.
When we factor in that Houston is only on one side of the field and not in the middle like Brnach is we can begin to see his value….
The Oakland Coaching Staff was made aware of Houston and his abilities as the season but ignored the advice….
This year, I predict Houston is the star of our defensive Line…he is the most passionate player we have, he always hustles to the ball and played hard in the second half of the season last year when the rest of the line turned it in….
Know what you’re talking unless you want your credibility exposed as it just was….
Good Morning Raider Nation
April 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am
BTW guys, Biekert was drafted in the 7th round. He started right away right at MLB? Can’t seem to remember. Stupar is definitely on the roster for spec team but I wonder if he is any where near Sean Lee’s level in Dallas. Stupar had excellent lateral numbers. He’s quite quick. Doesnt overpower you like Burris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7GMUKk2i0
April 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Back,
Bro, I gotta disagree with you here. I have never bought into Houston as a DE from day one. I thought he was quick for inside but too slow for outside. He does have a good motor but that’s about it. I’d prefer to see him inside and use that quickness the way Warren Sapp (I hate this effer) used it for years.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Can’t wait for mini camps to start,
Burris looks like a guy who could help our LB corp imediately…his tape was full of him shedding blocks and getting to the ball carrier…something sorely missing from our D unit last year.
the end of the ‘Scholarship’ players and the real ‘open competition’ should make it exciting to follow camp this year…
GO RAIDERS!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Houston would be a monster on the inside. He’s a good defensive end, but his impact off the edge is slightly limited because he generally has to deal with longer OT-types. He’d still be a great fit there on obvious running downs, but that’s assuming the Raiders find a solid gap-plugger in the middle.
When I watch Houston, I see a player who can collapse the pocket while still controlling his gap. When he DOES get to play on the inside, he holds the point of attack even against double-teams. Sure, don’t keep him at DT 100% of the time. But he’s the perfect solution to the Raiders’ problems with cutback runners and on draw plays.
Regardless of where he plays, I’m really looking forward to what kind of role the coaching staff carves out for him.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says, #513:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Raiderman,
People just aren’t getting it with McClain. He hasn’t much talent, has low intelligence, treats the fans in a horrible manner, feels (from what he said in one interview) that his play is superlative especially after the “incident”, and is overweight in the buttocks and thighs by at least 10 lbs.
You are correct that he’ll play this year because of his draft status and expensive contract, though Reggie won’t put up with him going into 2013.
McClain is irredeemable: you won’t have eat crow, don’t worry.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Considering that we have Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour….and the fact that they have to play based on how much we pay them….and the fact that they CANNOT play outside…you are both wrong IMO….
Houston would only be suited to play inside if we didn’t have other beef on our defense to fill those roles…
April 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
YoungAmerican Says #518,
April 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
YoungAmerican,
I agree with you 100%. I have always liked Houston and feel is has been totally under-coached and played out of his natural position. I am looking forward to seeing what Lamar can do coached up and under the correct scheme.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Backstage you are spot on Houston needs to be inside to get full effect of his talents the guy is a stud, this year the d is going to be revitilzed I see alot more intensity and a better scheme coming.
Btw love Aaron Henry watched him and he has chip on his shoulder.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
And his sack numbers are down primarily because of my a fore mentioned post!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Back,
I hear you on the reality of the contract and roster space. From the reality of performance/production, Seymour is really a part time player for us now. Him and Kelly are only on our roster due to Al’s generosity and ego. I think the new regime is not going to stand for that for too long. Nobody is untouchable so long as they can figure out the cap hit. I think both Kelly and Seymour’s time with the Raiders are limited. They’re gone as soon as they figure out a way to deal with the cap.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
The question should not be about where Houston would best be utilized…
It should be where would he best be utilized based on our personnel and scheme against a specific opponent?
April 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Considering that we have Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour….and the fact that they have to play based on how much we pay them….and the fact that they CANNOT play outside…you are both wrong IMO….
Houston would only be suited to play inside if we didn’t have other beef on our defense to fill those roles…
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No one HAS to play based on their salary. You earn your time on the field. This is the best part about Al Davis not running the team anymore.
In fact, the Raiders would get the most out of Kelly and Seymour if they rotated them out more often. Towards the end of games, those guys wear down. Note the San Diego game where by the end, they were being wiped out by single blocks.
When those two are fresh, they can dominate. But the Raiders are wasting them on run downs.
Also, Richard Seymour is a decent option to rotate to LDE occasionally. He has the length to deal with OTs, and is strong at the POA when fresh. Wouldn’t be a bad option in short yardage situations, with Houston moving inside.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I agree with you on Seymour but Tommy Kelley was a beast last year…graded out as a PRO BOWLER from my window.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Houston doesn’t seem like a prototypical DT, but I think the coaches at UT were correct in using him inside.
Houston might be a bit undersized but he’s strong. He’s got a good short burst and excellent lateral pursuit. Very good straight line speed.
Seems to lack an outside speed rush move. Put him outside against an aerial attack and you’re likely to be disappointed with his production.
Thought his soph season with the Raids was disappointing.
Has a mean streak and plays hard. I like him.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@526….unfortunately, you are incorrect…otherwise we would have cut Richard Seymour….the guy was done a year ago when Belicheck ran trap plays on him and made him have a tempertantrum!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
And Kelly outplayed Seymour last year. Seymour made it to the probowl based on reputation.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Kelly should be on the field more than Seymour, for sure. But he needs to be the 3-tech, not the 1-tech. Again, wouldn’t mind seeing the coaching staff try Houston in that role, playing right between the center and guard.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@531
If they would cut Seymour….I would agree with that statement!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@526….unfortunately, you are incorrect…otherwise we would have cut Richard Seymour….the guy was done a year ago when Belicheck ran trap plays on him and made him have a tempertantrum!
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They didn’t cut him because if they did, they would have had to eat a large portion his salary. And he was willing to restructure. He still fills a role and is a very good veteran mentor. No reason to swallow $7.5 million when you already have cap issues and have other options.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
But we don’t have the balls to cut him…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Again, no reason to cut him. Good veteran presence. Remember how he paid for offseason workouts during the lockout? Hell, he even got McClain to show up.
He restructured his contract. Added voidable years. It’s a non-issue.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I’d rather have Seymour at a substantial discount, than pay $7.5 million to not have him.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
holy crap!! just got around to watching some more burris plays. that guy is all over the place! he chases down running backs 30 yrds up field after hitting the qb
April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
That veteran mentor statement is crap….he doesn’t practice and walks around like he still has game left….and he doesn’t…
No one motivates or gets in his face based on his experience…they coddle him…and treat hium like a GOD…
The way our coaching staff treats him get viewed by the rest of the team…and has a negative affect..
Cut Richard Seymour, lose out on the money and get win…
Keeping him costs us money and he has to play which takes away from our defenese.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
No one motivates or gets in his face based on his experience…they coddle him…and treat hium like a GOD…
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That changed with the new coaching staff. Restructured his contract because he clearly wasn’t worth $15 million in one season.
Keeping him at a reduced rate doesn’t cost the Raiders nearly as much money as cutting him would have. You’re talking nonsense.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
AM I?
April 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
There’s no way they are going to cut Seymour now and take the huge cap hit. He plays his role as a mentor and part time player at 7.5 mil. You cut him you eat that 7.5 mil and get nothing in return. They cut Stanford Routt because he can’t be a mentor. On top of that he is a worst liability due to his redzone TD allowed and league leading yellow flag.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Thanks, glad you pointed that out…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Funny how Richard Seymour led your mind toward Stanford Routt….
How did that turn out?
April 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
I’m just stirring the stew boys…it’s nice to see people in here talking football instead of politics and race….
If I have to be the guinea pig, I’ll be your huckleberry!
April 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Later boys…AIG-I like your spunk…keep the peace while I’m gone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7J6dRkJjOI
April 29th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Lechler will retire a Raider. Every year we bring in a extra leg for camp and preseason. All this talk about Lechler getting released is laughable. Im sure his next contract he signs with us won’t be so out of whack, but he should and will be the highest paid punter in the NFL.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
537.irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
holy crap!! just got around to watching some more burris plays. that guy is all over the place! he chases down running backs 30 yrds up field after hitting the qb
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Dude looks like he could be a monster. Can’t believe he slipped by all the semi’s in here. At least I don’t recall hearing his name.
I watched highlight vids of him yesterday and he can really cover some ground. I’m pretty excited about Burris.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I hated Stanford Routt. Seymour, I can handle if we keep his snaps to a minimum. Can’t get rid of him so we might as well use him correctly. BTW Back, Kelly improved because of Seymour and he admitted that too.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
And Kelly outplayed Seymour last year. Seymour made it to the probowl based on reputation.
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You guys should probably put in the final four games of last season. Watch it play by play and then please explain to me why Rich Seymour is not one of the best DT’s in the league. Because the rest of the league thinks he is.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dude looks like he could be a monster. Can’t believe he slipped by all the semi’s in here. At least I don’t recall hearing his name.
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Actually he didnt. Some of us wanted him at late 5th, or 6th
April 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Seymour has been criticized for his effort, but I’m not entirely convinced that he’s not just older than f***. He has spurts of absolutely dominant play, but late in games he becomes a non-factor. Combine that with the fact that he spent quite a bit of time injured last season, and I think you’re just looking at a player at the end of his career.
Hard to criticize a guy who paid for the entire team to come work out during the lockout. Especially when even guys like McClain mention how hard he works to be as good as he is. I think he’s valuable to this team. Maybe not $15 million valuable, but certainly enough that it wouldn’t be worth paying him $7.5 to NOT be a Raider.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
537.irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
holy crap!! just got around to watching some more burris plays. that guy is all over the place! he chases down running backs 30 yrds up field after hitting the qb
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I saw the play where Burris was knocked down after hitting the QB, pops up, spins, pursues, closes and tackles the runner…….30 yds down the field.
Guy has huge, long arms – king kong arms…..can stuff an opponent with a single lick.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Yeah I had Burris as a 5th round prospect. One of my favorite late-round players in this draft besides Sammy Brown (who went UDFA) and Jake Bequette (who went before the Raiders’ first pick).
April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Thec
You’ve got a good eye for talent. I never heard of the guy until yesterday.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Seymour has been criticized for his effort, but I’m not entirely convinced that he’s not just older than f***.
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Seymour tweaked a knee half way through the season last year and couldn’t play and didn’t practice. The lst half he was listed as a PFF All Pro. The last four games he was stellar. You guys should watch the tape. McClain might have been hurt too, or may not just be that good.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VapULyU56To
i mean my god! i know it’s a highlight reel but we haven’t had a LB who could do half his work in a decade! I would love to see him start this year.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
SB,
You sure you want to go there and discuss Seymour’s last four games or his entire season. I just looked up his game log. Last four games, 0-2-0-2. Yup that’s his per game tackle. He did well at the beginning of the season and he disappeared at the end. There was even an article where he acknowledged halfway through the season he needs to step up.
http://www.nfl.com/player/richardseymour/2504691/gamelogs
April 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@549
Stating that the “rest of the league” thinks Richard Seymour is one of the best in the league is a way the league keeps us down….
Start to think for yourself…who cares what anyone thinks of our players?
These other viewpoints started with Nhamdi…in which opponents/NFL claim they are afraid of ONE of our players…when they most certainly are not afraid of anything….
Seymmour and Nhamdi are both examples of how the status quo talks up our guys as selling points all the while knowing they aren’t really that productive….
Just Sayin’
The last 4 games he didn’t do a thing….I have the grades right here in front of me….played well in the KC game…that’s it…
@548-AIG-great point, again…touche’
April 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I posted in here a few weeks ago that I watched some vids of Burris and the guy looked like a beast at OLB rushing the passer, some people had him in there mocks getting picked in the 5th, I said I think we would have to use our 4th to get him.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Raiders for life Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Thec
You’ve got a good eye for talent. I never heard of the guy until yesterday.
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The guy to keep an eye on is Christo…Where the hell our personnel dept got this idea from is ridiculous….
This guy is a poor man’s SUH with even better footwork…
He dominated the lesser competition as expected.
He is going to push our Dline for playing time….
April 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
You know it’s really interesting how allen and mckenzie worked the draft. we have a lot of WR,LB and DL competition. I don’t think our new management is done shedding some of our starters from last year. whether it’s in trade or not
April 29th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
realtruraider Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I posted in here a few weeks ago that I watched some vids of Burris and the guy looked like a beast at OLB rushing the passer, some people had him in there mocks getting picked in the 5th, I said I think we would have to use our 4th to get him
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Example of the Semi’s bringing it…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
When discussing football, I would put the Semi’s on this blog up against any group or fan base in the world…
April 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Realtruraider – congrats.
Thec – Yup Cristo is our version of Suh. The tape says it too. Dude is so agile for a 300lb guy and he demolishes the ball carrier. Kudos to the scouting dept for finding him.
As I said before, Burris = Matthews, Cristo = Suh, Stupak = Sean Lee. I hope I am right but that’s why I’m a fan.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Thec Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
When discussing football, I would put the Semi’s on this blog up against any group or fan base in the world…
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Yup. That’s why I dont care much for the scouting report and national writers. Show me the tape baby. I have learned to watch the tape and look up his accomplishment in his conference. Some dudes look great on tape and get great measurables but there’s a reason why they’re not 1st team all conference….see MM34. Learned my lesson with that dude.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I like Burris a lot after seeing his highlights but Raidernation please rewind three yrs ago when we drafted mm#34. His highlights were bad azz too I think better cau se he hit pretty violent and actually ko’d some fools. The NFL is another level so let’s not get too excited yet.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I read some post from yesterday and they were referring to Burris as Bobby Boucher, the character from the waterboy. I went and watched his highlight vid again and I think that is the perfect nickname for him.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
563.Thec Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
When discussing football, I would put the Semi’s on this blog up against any group or fan base in the world…
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I gotta agree, I’ve learned alot from you all in the 2 yrs I’ve been reading this blog. Keep up the good work.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Deathrow … see post 565. MM34 never got any recognition in his conference. Was never first team all conf or even honorable mention. Believe it or not, I can credit Madden Raider for asking these questions. Burris was voted first team conf 2x by a bunch of publications and organizations.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
i hear ya DEATHROW but mm34’s highlights were all hits and he’s a safety. i was excited too but his job is also coverage, that’s where he hasn’t shined. the burris tape so far shows a lot more of his abilities and i can’t wait to see what he can do at this level. fingers crossed
April 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
With the sorry Rules they have now in the NFL its hard for players to go all out and give it 100% cause when they do its a penalty.Whats next are they going to start wearing flags instead of tackling.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I think most of us agree that Houston is a better fit inside. Plays both the pass and run fairly well, with a high motor.
I really would love to see Ausberry step his game up and take over that TE position. By the way Palmer is talking him up, sounds like he’s ready.
I also would love to see Barkesdale unseat Barnes. I’m not sure if i can handle the retarded penalties from him (Barnes) this season. I can’t help but keep my eye on the right side to see if we can get a snap off without a penalty from him.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I’m looking forward to seeing how the 7th round pick Nate Stupar does.
3 year starter in the Big 10, never missed any games, played both defense and special teams, and has a rep for being a disciplined backer.
Hope he pans out.
April 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Barnes stink. Later gents.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Deja vu Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm:
“I also would love to see Barkesdale unseat Barnes. I’m not sure if i can handle the retarded penalties from him (Barnes) this season. I can’t help but keep my eye on the right side to see if we can get a snap off without a penalty from him.”
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DejaVu,
I think that the Bergstrom pick will cement our O line. Barnes is the weak link; he’s on his way out, at least as a starter.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Hardline,
I can’t argue with that, Barnes imo is a back up RT. For some reason he can’t stay focused. Time for someone to step up and replace him.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Barnes needs to be cut.Hes a redzone nightmare penalty after penalty every time.That guy pissed me off so bad last 2 seasons.Hes garbage!!!!!
April 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I’m looking forward to seeing how the 7th round pick Nate Stupar does
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His twitter name is nastynate34. I like it.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@549
Stating that the “rest of the league” thinks Richard Seymour is one of the best in the league is a way the league keeps us down….
Start to think for yourself…who cares what anyone thinks of our players?
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I for one think Seymour played incredibly well in crunch time when it really mattered late last season. I have broken it down myself, broken it down from other football people, and insiders in the league. And the response in here is: Seymour sucks. No breakdown, no evidence, just stupidity. Break it down.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
i watched the post draft press conference. for the first time as a raider fan i feel like there is zero tension, the front office is actually having fun. i have a really good feeling about where we are going as an organization.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Meet our NEW 2012 O-line:
Veldheer, Bergstrom, Wiz, Brisiel & Barksdale.
That’s a solid group of players. Both DMac & Palmer should be happy with our enforcers.
The remainder of our Offense:
• QB – CPalmer
• FB – MReece
• RB – DMac
• TE – DAusberry
• WR – DHB
• WR – D-Wow
• WR – JFord (slot)
We should have a top 5 Offense this year. Now, on to fix the defense.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
sorry dont see burriss as you guys do….i see an overachiever in a soft conference….maybe he can push curry or wheeler to play tougher. No way he supplants romac…
April 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
i watched the post draft press conference. for the first time as a raider fan i feel like there is zero tension, the front office is actually having fun. i have a really good feeling about where we are going as an organization.
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Yes and I heard that they sold the overhead projector on EBAY.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I’ve said it for a while, now people are starting to come along.
Houston and Bryant should play DT, full-time.
A 4 man DT rotation of Kelly-Seymour-Houston-Bryant is our best bet for success.
It would limit the older guys snaps, keep them fresh in the 4th quater and for the stretch run while the young kids transition inside and get ready to take over full-time in a year or two max.
It doesn’t matter who starts, they would all get plenty of snaps inside with Bryant and Houston also getting snaps at LDE out of need, not scheme, at least until we find a full-time LDE, maybe it’s Jack Crawford in a year or two.
While Bryant and Houston can play decent LDE if needed, it’s not their best position, these guys are the new breed of DT neede in today’s League, kids with high motor, strenght and athleticism, 325 wide-bodies who can hardly move are being phased out.
Houston is 6′3 and 305, he’s not undersized at all, unless you consider Ndamukong Suh undersized as well, Suh goes 6′4 307, just an inch taller and two punds heavier.
Now imagine playing vs the Raiders and having your Center and Guards having to deal with 4 quality DT’s all game long, each bringing a different quality, Seymour’s technique and experience, Kelly’s bull-rush, Hosuton’s quickness and Bryant’s strenght-speed combo, along with slants and twists to keep them guessing, they’d be spent by the 4th quarter.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
I’m wondering if Ford will be used less as a WR this year.It seems the new regime values bigger WRs.He is a great return man and his tendency to get nicked might mean more opportunities for some of the other WRs.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Bob,I like it,but we’ll have to wait and see if the coaches feel the same way.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
582.Al_is_theraiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
sorry dont see burriss as you guys do….i see an overachiever in a soft conference….maybe he can push curry or wheeler to play tougher. No way he supplants romac…
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Al,
With all due respect…….are you joking ?
“No way he supplants romac…”
April 29th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Maybe this upcoming season we’ll have to keep Houston or Bryant outside since we are still missing a true LDE, but I’m hoping the Raiders drafted Jack Crawford to play that role by 2013.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
I see a lot of bagging on Seymour in here. Granted, he was less than effective last year but IMO, much of that was due to injury & playing out of his natural position. He’s dominant when playing RDE in a 3-4 defense. That’s his normal position and where he shines. Hopefully, we switch to a 3-4 Defense this year & take advantage of his skills.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Seymour
How good is your boy Seymour when he register zero sacks and tackles for the majority of 2nd half games last season. What tape are you watching?
April 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Romance will be gone if he cant produce this season. Yet to live up to the hyper.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Raiders for life Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Thec
You’ve got a good eye for talent. I never heard of the guy until yesterday.
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for what it’s worth, I think Burris was one of the draft possibilities most mentioned by the Semi’s on this blog. True, one or two of his major supporters were unabashedly San Diego State fans more than objective/ picking him out of whole college talent pool, but they were talking up Burris, not the other San Diego State guys who got drafted like Ronnie Hillman or their QB Lindley.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Levi Damien @LeviDamien
RT @StanfordFball: Congratulations Corey Gatewood @CGreat002, headed across the Bay to @RAIDERS and reunited with DC Jason Tarver.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Reggie must be doing a great job selling to these guys they have a real shot at the rate they are signing with us.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Bob Marley Says:
Maybe this upcoming season we’ll have to keep Houston or Bryant outside since we are still missing a true LDE, but I’m hoping the Raiders drafted Jack Crawford to play that role by 2013.
But with Tollefson coming in on passing downs at the LDE spot (Shaughnessy is a full-time player at RDE), there’s no need to play either Houston or Bryant full-time at End.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
cory gatewood?
April 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Bob Marley Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I’ve said it for a while, now people are starting to come along.
Houston and Bryant should play DT, full-time.
A 4 man DT rotation of Kelly-Seymour-Houston-Bryant is our best bet for success.
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Obviously they have been part of the rotation but I think one of the reasons that Houston was mainly a DE last year was we were down one starter. Hopefully that won’t need to happen this year.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised to see our Dlinemen rotating quite a bit this year-not only in and out of the game but inside outside as we go from 4-3 to 3-4.It is easier to disguise than just replacing players whenever you switch schemes.
April 29th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
To say that the new Reggime “lacks the guts” to cut underperformers, we’ll see, but I doubt it. I don’t think that new Reggime/ Reggie Mac would make rash decisions to dump someone, but they will do it if and when it makes sense to implement their plan
To implement a new culture of discipline and accountability, the new staff needs depth and competition at all positions so they can dump or sit players who aren’t getting it done.
That said, I hope previous disappointments, including Romac, start playing up to their potential. I don’t want to see any player with potential get cut, I want to see them play to their potential. I think with Rolando (and many others) he was put in impossible situations in pass coverage last year. I think he can be a reasonably good vs. pass for a big MLB if used correctly. But his repeated tendancy to quit on plays after whiffing on tackles and his off field distractions don’t have a damn thing to do with bad coaching.
The point that the Raiders can only absorb a certain amount of cap hit in one year is well taken, and since keeping Routt or Wimbley would have messed up finances for years to come, and Routt was as much a liability as he was a playmaker, we had to give some of the other guys who would have been a big cap hit another year to prove whether or not they deserve longer
April 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Reggie must be doing a great job selling to these guys they have a real shot at the rate they are signing with us.
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This is a really good point. Not only did Reggie say he wanted “his guys”, he has a track record of bringing guys out of nowhere and turning them into players: Donald Driver 7th round, Scott Wells 7th round, John Kuhn undrafted, Desmond Bishop 6th round, Brad Jones 7th round, Tramon Williams undrafted…
April 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Houston played de due to al directive. Watch him move inside this yr.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I am totally convinced we will be running a 4-3 since we never drafted a hog nt, plus no 3-4 olb were drafted either. Fug it,o well
April 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Whatever happens, I hope Dennis figures out how to stop the run.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Did that olb from Houston get picked up by a team yet I think his name was Sammy Brown?
April 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Seymour
How good is your boy Seymour when he register zero sacks and tackles for the majority of 2nd half games last season. What tape are you watching?
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Seymour eats up blockers. That’s his job.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Reggie must be doing a great job selling to these guys they have a real shot at the rate they are signing with us.
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This is a really good point. Not only did Reggie say he wanted “his guys”, he has a track record of bringing guys out of nowhere and turning them into players: Donald Driver 7th round, Scott Wells 7th round, John Kuhn undrafted, Desmond Bishop 6th round, Brad Jones 7th round, Tramon Williams undrafted…
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thank you. all those guys are great high motor players.
I think Bergstrom and Burriss are the ones that REALLY stick out, especially since there’s not good competition at the positions they’ll be fighting for.
Bergstrom is probably already better than Carlisle. how can Coop be stronger than a guy bigger and younger than him? yes the vast experience is there, but I just don’t see Carlisle beating him out at his age. i do LOVE him as his backup, that’s some solid depth.
I really don’t give a sh!t about who Burris was up against in college too.. the man is EVERYWHERE on the field, and is hard to block. if he can set the edge in the running game AND rush the passer well? that’s such a steal.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bush.
Obviously they have been part of the rotation but I think one of the reasons that Houston was mainly a DE last year was we were down one starter. Hopefully that won’t need to happen this year.
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We still don’t have a starting LDE that can allow us to move Houston inside full-time, I wanted a 1 year stop-gag out of Free Agency or a Rookie out of the Draft, but we’ve got nothing in FA so far (Tollesfon is a pass-rushing specialist) and Jack Crawford seems like an ideal fit, but probably isn’t ready yet.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Seymour
How good is your boy Seymour when he register zero sacks and tackles for the majority of 2nd half games last season. What tape are you watching?
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Seymour eats up blockers. That’s his job.
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it’s quite clear that you forget that he was playing through injuries. yes he’s old, and those injuries linger… so hopefully he stays away from the injury bug in 2012.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
The 4-3 might be our base,but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a lot of 3-4.Kelly can play the nose in a limited basis.Hopefullt so can Christo or even one of the UDFA signings.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Seymour
How good is your boy Seymour when he register zero sacks and tackles for the majority of 2nd half games last season. What tape are you watching?
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Seymour eats up blockers. That’s his job.
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The new regime got rid of high priced underachieving players. They seem to have a real grasp on what is going on here. And they did that quickly. If Rich Seymour is as bad as some of you think why did they extend him? That’s like taking Stan Routt and instead of cutting him, buying him a fleet of maserati’s.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
607. it’s not even close to over yet. UDFA releases and others pushed off the team by their draftees outplaying them. does it mean these guys cut suck? well, every year someone gets cut that shouldn’t have. BigMac and Allen will be looking for those types of guys.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Bob Marley Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bush.
Obviously they have been part of the rotation but I think one of the reasons that Houston was mainly a DE last year was we were down one starter. Hopefully that won’t need to happen this year.
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We still don’t have a starting LDE that can allow us to move Houston inside full-time, I wanted a 1 year stop-gag out of Free Agency or a Rookie out of the Draft, but we’ve got nothing in FA so far (Tollesfon is a pass-rushing specialist) and Jack Crawford seems like an ideal fit, but probably isn’t ready yet.
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Exactly. It looks to be a race to see if they can develop either Crawford or Christo on the fly. And both of those guys are incredibly raw. Or see if someone falls out right before the season like Jarvis Moss did last year.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
as for LDE? well, with the hybrid schemes they will be implimenting, i truly think the strong blitzing will be back from our Raiders… like it was in 2010 … only with more discipline against the run and not jumping offsides all the time.
besides, we like to get our pressure up the middle in most situations. when they do switch to a 3-4, getting Houston, Seymour, Bryant, any of the draft picks playing DT or OLB to the QB from the outside shouldn’t be an issue.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
it’s all about coaching here.
our front seven got much better yesterday with the depth it now has. they’ll continue to build on it before, during, and after training camp.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Xraided and Seymour.
True, it’s not over yet, hopefully we find one.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Houston played de due to al directive. Watch him move inside this yr.
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I think you’re probably right, but it occurred to me that Houston has only played DT in obvious passing downs since coming to Oakland. We see him as a run stuffer at DE and a guy who takes on blocks but there may still be some question whether or not he is strong enough in these areas to be as sucessful vs run as a full time DT… I think he probably does have what it takes for DT, but until we see him play there on run downs we can’t be sure
I would certainly like to see how things looked with Des Bryant at LDE and Houston inside at DT. Could try Houston as 3, 1, 0 technique/4-3 NT
With Seymour getting older and more brittle, including knee problems, and his past success as 3-4 LDE, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have him play some DE. Seymour did also have some problems with undisciplined play last year even before the injuries, but I’m sure that’s correctable
April 29th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
The 4-3 might be our base,but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a lot of 3-4.Kelly can play the nose in a limited basis.Hopefullt so can Christo or even one of the UDFA signings.
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im willing to bet that if Kelly lines up over the Center, he’ll be a load to stop for the guy all by himself, thus forcing teams to double up on him(like they already do when he’s playing 3-tech) … this can and will be anything permanent, just another example of the hybrid scheme.
what does everyone expect here?! very little money and no high draft picks … sheeesh, i bet they find 2 starters and 2 special teams aces/backups in this class.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Xraided-besides, we like to get our pressure up the middle in most situations.
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We can’t be sure that will be the case any longer with new coaches and a totally new system.We can no longer say what we’ve done in the past will still be the norm.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
*this will not be anything permanent, just another example of this hybrid scheme DA speaks of.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
McKenzie added some good pieces during the draft, Should be interesting how they do at training camp
April 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Lefty, that’s what a base 4-3 depends on, pass rushing DT’s instead of space takers… that’s what we have in TK, Seymour, Houston and Bryant … that will NOT change when we show those same 4-3 looks we saw last year..
in the 3-4 looks, they’ll have to get very creative in order to get pressure, while being stout against the run. i’m not saying they’re going to all the sudden accomplish that in this first year … but they’re on the right track with these late round draft picks.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
xraided Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
607. it’s not even close to over yet. UDFA releases and others pushed off the team by their draftees outplaying them. does it mean these guys cut suck? well, every year someone gets cut that shouldn’t have. BigMac and Allen will be looking for those types of guys.
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Exactly, and per rep, that’s Reggie Mac’s specialty–finding “under the radar talent already in the NFL”.
Guys get cut because they are making a lot of money, they don’t fit a scheme, a coach doesn’t like them, they get in trouble, whatever. Some of them can work out very well in a different situation
April 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
xraided Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
as for LDE? well, with the hybrid schemes they will be implimenting, i truly think the strong blitzing will be back from our Raiders… like it was in 2010 … only with more discipline against the run and not jumping offsides all the time.
besides, we like to get our pressure up the middle in most situations.
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When you are going up against guys like Rivers, Brady and Peyton, you MUST get pressure up the gut. These guys are too savvy and get rid of the rock too quickly to expect outside rushers to make a difference. And now we are going to face Manning at least twice a year. It makes more sense than ever to have a strong interior rush.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
being creative, like sending Huff in there on CB blitzes. he was lights out at times in 2010, notching his 3 or 4 sacks.. whatever it was.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
yes Seymour thank you. that’s why they’re going 4-3 … that’s what we have.. they aren’t going to go away from that. If Seymour actually stays healthy and TK keeps getting his 7-10 sacks a year, i think we’ll accomplish that. DESMOND BRYANT is the big wildcard in generating pressure up the middle. i like his chances.. same with Houston. we need those 4 to really get it going… and the draftees need to come along throughout the season and make some noise.
it just needs to be enough for our high powered offense to get more chances to get on the field. i think this will be accomplished in 2012! call me nutz.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@623 Seymour…I agree with you on the middle pocket pass rush…but we can agree to disagree on Seymour’s performance the last 4 games….
I graded every snap..and he was average…and he wasn’t paid to be average….
Need I remind you we only won 1 of the last 4 games….ODDLY enough…because of a blocked field goal by Seymour!
April 29th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I kind of wanted a 6′1′-6′2 dt that holds his fugggin ground on run plays you know a hog some one who is 330lbs just a mean nasty clogger on obvious run downs. I llike Kelly as our dt but that just ain’t his mo he is more of a qb killer same goes for Seymore. The dts we just signed are tall and lean athletic guys . It burned me when we never drafted Chapman!!!!
April 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Shaughnessy was our LDE last year. Or at least was supposed to be.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
X
Huff and Branch, each got 4 sacks in 2010, we should expect them to collect a few more next year.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
When you are going up against guys like Rivers, Brady and Peyton, you MUST get pressure up the gut. These guys are too savvy and get rid of the rock too quickly to expect outside rushers to make a difference. And now we are going to face Manning at least twice a year. It makes more sense than ever to have a strong interior rush.
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DTs who can collapse the pocket or penetrate a gap are no doubt critical to defending these QBs, but I think it’s an exaggeration to say that edge rushers make no diffence at all
But your point is well taken, and probably one of the reasons the big run stuffing NT/DTs were all but ignored in the draft. Even Alameda Ta’amu, who was said to be a pocket collapser, lasted till R4. And the Raiders didn’t see fit to take any run stuffer. Bilukidi sounds more like an active 3T/ penetrator type
April 29th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
yes Alz … thank you for confirming!
DONT FORGET ALSO:
we should be signing Branch long term and some others restructured … that’ll free up more money for Reggie .. someone like EJ Henderson perhaps? yes, he would be coming in on 3-4 downs when he and McLame can play side by side, but i think bringing in EJ will push McClain to play better. again, call me crazy.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@623 Seymour…I agree with you on the middle pocket pass rush…but we can agree to disagree on Seymour’s performance the last 4 games….
I graded every snap..and he was average…and he wasn’t paid to be average….
Need I remind you we only won 1 of the last 4 games….ODDLY enough…because of a blocked field goal by Seymour!
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And if you remember his game saving tackle on Mark Sanchez as time expired in Week 3. And let’s not forget he was the one that made the play on Schaub at the end of the Houston game which pushed them back. Right there, without Seymour, our team would have been 5-11.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Bush.
Shaughnessy was the starting RDE and Houston the LDE, Bryant replaced Matt S. after he went down.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
I’m not saying we won’t still try and get pressure up the middle-everyone wants to do that.But we will be doing a lot of different things and giving multiple looks instead of throwing out the same crap over and over.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
thank you Alz and that’s another good point. steve even said himself regarding Bilukidi… “its not his fault who he played against” … but the kid shows up with great footwork, great vision, and a high motor. what more can you ask for with all these low round picks ?!
I’d say Desmond Bryant is a better player than LaMarr Houston at this point… 2nd rounder vs an UDFA … it can happen again. depends on the coaching and the system they’re in. with DA and Tarver mixing sh!t up, these rookies couldn’t have stepped on a better team .. they will get a lot of opportunities if they show up in the offseason.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Shaughnessy was our LDE last year. Or at least was supposed to be.
NEVER saw SHAUGNESSY LINE UP ANYWHERE ON LEFT SIDE LAST YEAR AND RARELY IN HIS FIRST 2 YEARS. He was our RDE, Houston our starting LDE. Shaughnessy has been at RDE since day one in Oakland, with a few exceptions. You must be watching flipped images
April 29th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Strange how he lined up on the right and Houston lined up on the left. Maybe you just don’t know your right hand from your left? From switching hands no doubt.
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Shaughnessy was our LDE last year. Or at least was supposed to be.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
yes Lefty, if you read my long winded crap above(lol), i’m fully aware of it. but in our 4-3 looks, we will see a lot of last years front seven .. it won’t be the same old crap, but that’s our experienced starters at this point… Al’s guys…
EXCEPT THIS TIME AROUND, they have a WAY BETTER playcaller in DA(Tarver is on puppet strings like Al’s DC’s over the years) no more Chucky B crap. even Marshall made Chunky look like sh!t … and neither of which coach in the NFL.. just sad.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
All this talk about Burris has me thinking GAME 1….San Diego…
The Chargers drafted a TE out of San Diego St. named: Ladarius Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIY2E556BdY
It’s safe to say the Chargers are going to implement some of the concepts the Patriots used last season with the 2 TE sets….the trouble is…the Chargers now have 3 hybrid TEs with this rookie, Gates, and Randy McMichael…
We need to account for this in our preparation.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Ok, now we need to upgrade the Raiderettes.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Ideally, Matt Shaughnessy would move to LDE and kill it, if we could find a Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, Trent Cole type of pass-rushing RDE.
We should target one in next year’s Draft.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
doesn’t matter… if ShoNasty stays healthy and remains to be that force on the field he used to be before the injury ..the coaching staff will know best.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@632…We were discussing the last 4 games….that’s all. Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
April 29th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Thats his job huh just eating up blockers? lol
Is his job jumping offsides on 3rd and 3 ? Or melting down with a roughing the passer penalty? Maybe his job is also showing up for 3 games a year?
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Seymour
How good is your boy Seymour when he register zero sacks and tackles for the majority of 2nd half games last season. What tape are you watching?
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Seymour eats up blockers. That’s his job.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
we should be signing Branch long term and some others restructured … that’ll free up more money for Reggie .. someone like EJ Henderson perhaps? yes, he would be coming in on 3-4 downs when he and McLame can play side by side, but i think bringing in EJ will push McClain to play better. again, call me crazy.
NOT CRAZY AT ALL, BUT MAYBE TOO EXPENSIVE
Romac needs competition, and if we can afford a vet there I think we should do it. I have long wished to sign EJ Henderson, but that depends on $
April 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
yea Bob, the edge rushing will most likely be an issue at times, since Wheeler or Curry aren’t pass rushers. we sacrificed edge pass rushing for stout run D .. which can’t be all bad. Maybe Burris will be that other guy opposite ShoNasty that generates edge pressure. the kid sure as hell looks the part.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
grr meant to add Tollefson in that group.. although his pressure on QBs at times is solid.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Pressure up the middle:
“The Giants are arguably the NFL’s champion when it comes to applying pressure up the middle, thanks to a glut of pass rushers so intense that coach Tom Coughlin has the luxury of being able to use a defensive line led by Jason Pierre-Paul made up entirely of pass-rushing ends.
And luckily for the Giants, an effective middle rush is the most effective way to attack a pocket passer because it disrupts their line of sight and prevents them from stepping up to avoid it. Just witness what the Giants did to Brady in the Super Bowl four years ago.
A ferocious middle rush certainly worked wonders for the Giants in Sunday’s 24-2 wild card thrashing of the Falcons at MetLife Stadium.
Ryan also is a pocket passer, and the Giants hit him so many times up the middle — starting with a Chris Canty pile-drive tackle on Atlanta’s first pass attempt — that the veteran Atlanta quarterback was clearly rattled all game despite getting sacked just twice. One of those sacks, not incidentally, came on a middle rush by Rocky Bernard.
“No quarterback that isn’t a runner like Michael Vick is going to like pressure up the middle or react all that well to it,” said backup defensive end Dave Tollefson, who recorded one of the Giants’ two sacks of Rodgers last month in a 38-35 loss at the Meadowlands.
The Giants also can take heart in that middle pressure appeared to play a role in the Packers’ only loss of the season, a 19-14 upset last month in Kansas City. Rodgers was sacked four times, the majority of them on inside rushes, and completed just 17 of his 35 passes.”
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from the New York Post, prior to the GB vs NYG game.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
If SeyGlenBush doesn’t even know who the LDE was the last 2 years that explains every other dimwitted post he has ever made.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Tommy Kelly, the NFL’s leading sacker for interior DL over the last 2 years, Seymour, Houston and Bryant have the potential to wreak havoc from the inside on a 4 man rotation.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
TK also delivers a unique and entertaining post game interview.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
“IF” SHAUGHNESSY STAYS HEALTHY,”IF” MCFADDEN STAYS HEALTHY,”IF”THE RECEIVERS STAY HEALTHY..IT’S ALL ABOUT QUALITY DEPTH IN THIS LEAGUE ANYMORE.THAT IS WHERE MR.MCKENZIE IS HEADED IMHO AFTER WATCHING THE PROCEEDINGS THIS PAST FEW DAYS.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
We’ll face pocket-passing statues Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers and Matt Cassel 6 times next year.
We’ll need our inside guys bringing the heat.
But people wanted to get rid of Kelly, our best inside rusher, yeah right.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Reggie and DA made it perfectly clear that they thought the D-line was the strong point of the Raider Defense.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Sorry I was thinking Houston not Shaughnessy. Right.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
By the way, the Draft is over and Tommy Kelly is still here, looks like the new Regime wants TK around, as they should.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Pressure up the middle is what pocket passers can’t stand.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Jamista you slither in here again? What some old lady clean out all the cans and bottles out of the trash? That means you’re going to go hungry doesn’t it?
April 29th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Bob Marley, is that all you do is cut n paste?
April 29th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Peymour,
Exactly right, yes thats what you were thinking. Except HOUSTON was the LDE, you MORON!
lmao
Still waiting on you to call out all the Browns & Broncos fans.
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Sorry I was thinking Houston not Shaughnessy. Right.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Bob Marley Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Ideally, Matt Shaughnessy would move to LDE and kill it, if we could find a Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, Trent Cole type of pass-rushing RDE.
We should target one in next year’s Draft.
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I’m sure that Sho’nasty could play a little LDE, but I see him as an ideal base RDE and I think if healthy he’ll be a beast and be a 10 sack a year guy. Actually I think he has a little Jared Allen in him. He’s certainly not a Freeney nor Cole type. Not that I wouldn’t love to have one of those, especially for passing downs, but…
Sho’Nasty is a high motor guy (like Allen) who is a little high-cut. He is a very good run defender not because he has a lot of sand in his ass but because he has iron in his mittens, can stack and shed with his arms and hands, is very smart, reactive aggressive trench warrior. Sho’Nasty makes some pretty darn great plays, and if his shoulder is OK, he should improve more, if his shoulder ain’t okay, then that is big trouble, since his violent hands are his calling card. He is not a loose hipped moves rusher like Cole and Freeney (neither is Allen), nor a low-cut big assed explosion/leverage player like Freeney.
Typically a base LDE is a lower cut guy with wide base/ strong anchor as well as a power type pass rusher
But there are many exceptions. I think Sho’Nasty is a FOOTBALL PLAYER if healthy and could be productive at either DE, but is best suited to RDE in base defense set
Sho’Nasty has been a seven sack a year pass rush producer already, and I think he’ll bag 11 this year, as well as being a better run defender than most sack artists. Of course, 7 and 11 are lucky numbers, so maybe he’ll actually bag 12 in 2012. Hope he’s healthy
April 29th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
MistaBrown Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Peymour,
Exactly right, yes thats what you were thinking. Except HOUSTON was the LDE, you MORON!
lmao
Still waiting on you to call out all the Browns & Broncos fans.
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You’re foaming at the mouth Jamista. That seems to happen to you often. You might want to get a rabies shot. And calm down before you swallow your tongue.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
No, they realized what any person with half a brain should realize. Their contracts make them unmovable. You can only take so many accelerate cap hits in 1 year.
FYI…we drafted 2 players on the DL so that pretty much shoots your theory in the keester.
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KoolKell Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Reggie and DA made it perfectly clear that they thought the D-line was the strong point of the Raider Defense.
April 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
MistaBrown Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
No, they realized what any person with half a brain should realize. Their contracts make them unmovable.
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They sure moved Wimbley didn’t they? Right off the roster. Time to go Jamista, you’re embarrassing yourself.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
PeymourGlen, you have no idea who our LDE is/was because all you do is pillage everything you say here from websites. Thats why you get caught up trying to defend the most moronic things ever said in here.
Keep posting!
April 29th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Alzado.
I agree that Shaugnessy is a very good player and can produce at either End spot, just not sure if he’s ever gonna hit double-digit sacks consistently from the right side, specially since he’s not a guy who’s gonna fire off the snap and beat the LT out of the gate, he often works hard for his sacks, but can you imagine Matt at LDE? he would abuse RT’s all game long.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
alzadoX Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
we should be signing Branch long term and some others restructured … that’ll free up more money for Reggie .. someone like EJ Henderson perhaps? yes, he would be coming in on 3-4 downs when he and McLame can play side by side, but i think bringing in EJ will push McClain to play better. again, call me crazy.
NOT CRAZY AT ALL, BUT MAYBE TOO EXPENSIVE
Romac needs competition, and if we can afford a vet there I think we should do it. I have long wished to sign EJ Henderson, but that depends on $
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yea his price tag is dropping though. no one wants him because of his injuries… as soon as the price tag takes a dive off a cliff, that’s when Reggie will swoop in. RoMac needs someone breathing down his neck… yes it’s just a pipe dream.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
And took a cap hit doing so. Like I said you can only absorb so many cap hits in 1 year.
Now tell me which way is left?
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
They sure moved Wimbley didn’t they? Right off the roster.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Jamista now that all the cans and bottles have been pilfed where are you gonna go to make some coin to buy a 40 ounce malty?
April 29th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
The gall of you to say anybody is embarrassing themselves after you thought ShoNasty was our LDE.
rofl
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Time to go Jamista, you’re embarrassing yourself.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
MistaBrown Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Now tell me which way is left?
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You don’t know left from right do you? Even if I explained it to you, you don’t have the cranial capacity to understand.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
yep, depth
it will help that Reggie Mac isn’t stocking the roster with injury prone sprinters with tweaky hamstrings and legs too (and of course feet). Really, a lot of our guys have been an injury waiting to happen. Sometimes you have to gamble (eg Ron Bartell). But I would rather get someone else other than stringbean Jarvis Moss for backup DE, cuz I think that guy’s always gonna get hurt. Sho’Nasty has only had one significant injury since coming to Oakland, I believe.
But depth is key, as you said. And especially on D, we still don’t have much depth. I’m sure the new Reggime will continue to work on that, as you said
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
“IF” SHAUGHNESSY STAYS HEALTHY,”IF” MCFADDEN STAYS HEALTHY,”IF”THE RECEIVERS STAY HEALTHY..IT’S ALL ABOUT QUALITY DEPTH IN THIS LEAGUE ANYMORE.THAT IS WHERE MR.MCKENZIE IS HEADED IMHO AFTER WATCHING THE PROCEEDINGS THIS PAST FEW DAYS.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Jamista you only come here to cause problems. You don’t have too much of a life do you? And you have no self esteem. Sucks to be you doesn’t it?
April 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
PeyMourGlen, did you see your marxist hero on the J Fallon show?
The single biggest embarrassment to the United States of America in our history, no ?
April 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
our d-line is fine in my opinion. we added some good players to compete in the trenches. i say we need another looksy at db and lb if anything. right now i think we should be focusing on making it good money wise to justify re-arranging our starting WRs to palmer’s liking, which i think would be moore as the #1
April 29th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Reminds me of all the times you combed through 900 posts to make a retarded comment on something I posted.
What problem am I causing Glen? Making you eat your moronic words?
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Jamista you only come here to cause problems. You don’t have too much of a life do you? And you have no self esteem. Sucks to be you doesn’t it?
April 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
MistaBrown Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
PeyMourGlen, did you see your marxist hero on the J Fallon show?
The single biggest embarrassment to the United States of America in our history, no ?
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Now you are changing the subject to another thing you have no idea about? No, the worst regime we have EVER had in this country was the conservatives run by Bush. They caused a catastrophe and left us with the mess we are in. The second biggest embarrassment was the conservative scandal raked Harding regime, followed by the conservative Hoover administration. Those are the biggest embarrassments in our country’s history.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I think youll only see us play 3 d-linemen on clear passing downs.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Jamista you are the blog ass wipe. What is sad is you accept it. But someone has to be the blog asswipe. Glad you are good with it.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
our d-line is fine in my opinion. we added some good players to compete in the trenches. i say we need another looksy at db and lb if anything. right now i think we should be focusing on making it good money wise to justify re-arranging our starting WRs to palmer’s liking, which i think would be moore as the #1
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as good as pass rushers that our DL consists of, if the leaky run D rears it’s ugly head again .. i hope they don’t continue the trend in the new regime.
I’m HOPING that this is the sole reason why a bunch of LB were taken in the draft, because our first defensive minded HC(since Madden)Dennis Allen truly believes that’s what was the main problem the last few years… and has coninced BigMac of this.
we’ve had good sack seasons in recent years past, just never good in the Rushing YPG category because of this lack of depth at LB.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Good analysis, so good I’m re-posting it. The NFL is a copy cat league, and now everyone wants DTs with upfield quickness and a power rush and nobody wants fat line sitters. At least for this year, and maybe in the future as well. Canty is a big power and quickness guy, he’s like 6-7 320 with big arms and can move
Bob Marley Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Pressure up the middle:
“The Giants are arguably the NFL’s champion when it comes to applying pressure up the middle, thanks to a glut of pass rushers so intense that coach Tom Coughlin has the luxury of being able to use a defensive line led by Jason Pierre-Paul made up entirely of pass-rushing ends.
And luckily for the Giants, an effective middle rush is the most effective way to attack a pocket passer because it disrupts their line of sight and prevents them from stepping up to avoid it. Just witness what the Giants did to Brady in the Super Bowl four years ago.
A ferocious middle rush certainly worked wonders for the Giants in Sunday’s 24-2 wild card thrashing of the Falcons at MetLife Stadium.
Ryan also is a pocket passer, and the Giants hit him so many times up the middle — starting with a Chris Canty pile-drive tackle on Atlanta’s first pass attempt — that the veteran Atlanta quarterback was clearly rattled all game despite getting sacked just twice. One of those sacks, not incidentally, came on a middle rush by Rocky Bernard.
“No quarterback that isn’t a runner like Michael Vick is going to like pressure up the middle or react all that well to it,” said backup defensive end Dave Tollefson, who recorded one of the Giants’ two sacks of Rodgers last month in a 38-35 loss at the Meadowlands.
The Giants also can take heart in that middle pressure appeared to play a role in the Packers’ only loss of the season, a 19-14 upset last month in Kansas City. Rodgers was sacked four times, the majority of them on inside rushes, and completed just 17 of his 35 passes.”
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from the New York Post, prior to the GB vs NYG game.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
678. i sure hope so. more nickel players in the secondary will be KEY in stopping guys like Manning and Rivers. i expect a lot of Huff in the nickle covering TE’s and G in the FS position… 6 INT’s last year? guy was in the right place at the right time many times throughout the season… even as bad as they were, the safety play was very good at times.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Our dline is fine. The coaching staff and McKenzie have said as much. LB and secondary?? Not so much, and changes are being made.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Seymour, you are such a leftie that you can’t see the forest for the trees. It’s big government that has destroyed this country. Statists are the problem not the answer.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
yeah. i think we have the veteran and young talent to have one of the better D-lines in the NFL. it’s just coaching and scheme…move some guys around and rotate on downs differently
April 29th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
changes are being made …
from the draft you’re sayin, right? guys like Buriss are changing that? i guys like him, Wheeler and Tollefson will make an impact right away, along with guys like Curry having the best year of their career!
as long as these DB’s KNOW we cannot give up those quick strikes over the middle all day long against Peyton and Rivers(their bread n butter) … we should do fine in limiting their damage… it can’t be the Bills and GB game all year long…
April 29th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
This team is so under the radar right now it’s crazy. Didn’t even merit a mention on bspn draft review show when they were disecting the AFC west next year. This is the perfect spot to be in. Nobody know what to expect from us but they will after we smash River’s face into the infield dirt opening monday night.
April 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
BSPN gave us a C- on the draft by the way, like that really means anything…lol
April 29th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I hope we schedule a scrimage against the 9′ers during the pre-season. They have kicked our ass for as long as I can remember. It would be a good indicator of where we are in the early going.
April 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I’m still a little concerned about the backup center position. I know Reg has a plan but I wish it would happen sooner than later so I could drop this subject.
April 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
BSPN gave us a C- on the draft by the way, like that really means anything…lol
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I’d be more concerned if they actually gave us a good grade. Then, I’d worry.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
No way of knowing how our picks will turn out but I like the looks of our middle round selections. Keep our scouts.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Sacks are such a deceiving stat. Our bad defense was 2nd in sacks two yrs. ago and last yr. ranked well too. How did that translate? 29th in the league overall.
Sacks are good if they’re part of an overall effective defense that is doing the “other things” to win.
Heck, we got to Rodgers (4) FOUR TIMES in a 46-16 lambasting.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Sacks are good if they’re part of an overall effective defense that is doing the “other things” to win.
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Yep. Hell, look at how many times Eli Manning got sacked last season.
Like Dave Tollefson said, a defense has to earn the right to rush the passer. And the way you earn that right is by stopping the run.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
102.Chris in NY Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I don’t see Criner starting. I’d put him no better than 6th in the pecking order right now. Not trying to knock him. He’s got some skills. But 4.7 for an NFL WR leaves something to be desired.
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Can he catch the ball? Definitely. Everyone says he has great hands and can make some big time grabs. He fights for the ball and runs sound routes. That’s huge.
I’d take sure hands over speed that is wasted on guys who can’t run routes.
I’m sick of cringing with nervousness everytime the ball is thrown to DHB. Will he hang on? Will he tip it up to a defender?
Sure hands is huge.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Criner will be essential for opening up the middle of the field. He’ll allow DHB to run the comeback routes that he seems to excel at, and Ford and Moore will be able to take off the top of the defense.
April 29th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
For those of you who want an NT… just wait until next year:
http://draftbreakdown.com/star-lotulelei-vs-washington?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
April 29th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Backup center is worrisome. I am hoping that Parsons is the guy. Nix has played center but he seems to be an injury waiting to happen.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Well the first thing I gotta note is that, Dennis Allen is 10000% more articluate than Cable-guy and Huebris “obviously” Jackson put together. I think this post was actually paragraphs of intellgent talk by the coach without the ugs and grunts and total BS of the previous coaches.
Second, I like the picks, give us some much needed depth at LB corp, the Tall receiver was excatly what we needed–a wr with actual size who can convert on short and goaline situation. Depth at Oline was addressed nicely with the guy from Utah. 26 is not that old, he got at least 7 to 10 years of football.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Last yr. was yr. of the rookie. So many started AND had a big impact.
No reason we can’t see Burris and Bergstrom starting..IF they earn it.
No longer is there this sit and learn mandate.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
696.YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Criner will be essential for opening up the middle of the field. He’ll allow DHB to run the comeback routes that he seems to excel at, and Ford and Moore will be able to take off the top of the defense.
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Sounds like you’re suggesting we may see Criner get some significant playing time.
If he plays like advertised then why not?
April 29th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jerry Rice ran 4.7 forty.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Anyone got the lowdown on WR Duke Calhoun? 6′-4″ I think.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Sounds like you’re suggesting we may see Criner get some significant playing time.
If he plays like advertised then why not?
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I definitely think the offensive coaches will create a role for him.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
#79,
That’s awesome.
I hope noone gets held back.
For example, I didn’t understand why Hue didn’t use Reece more last yr. He’d make a real good play and then disappear out of the game.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
I meant to reference # 704 not # 79.
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Yeah, this Burris guy looks real good.
The infamous 4th round steal perhaps?
April 29th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I can’t blame Hue entirely. Dude was in way over his head. Was in no way ready to be a GM as well as a coach. It’s like he forgot about certain players for entire games at a time. I look forward to seeing more stability within he organization and coaching staff.
This Burris kid could be the real deal.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Check it:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/29/harnish-had-a-deal-with-chargers-before-colts-drafted-him/
Looks like the Raiders were contacting Chandler Harnish as a possible UDFA before he was drafted by the Colts.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Criner is almost a guaranteed superstar to be honest. I mean really, he did get taken in the 5th rd and almost ALL 5th rders turn out to be good players.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Look at Criners college production versus DHB
April 29th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I love how the Raiders are flying under the radar. Not a peep about them. And in tip if that they are getting press for donating money frI’m season ticket holders to public schools.
I can’t wait for this season to start.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I’m looking at the Riders this year, as a cold- blooded execution team.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
DHB is a fringe NFL player. Criner is no better. Hes too slow and will never be a contributer for this club. Theres a reason he fell to the 5th… hes suhhlooooooowwwwwwww
April 29th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
@ 713
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew
April 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
And WHEN DMC goes down…who steps in to fill the void??? Bush saved this teams bacon last year.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I dont need to watch highlights.. I watched him play for his whole career. Hes a good college WR playing in an EXTREMELY WR friendly offense. He made a living on bubble screens and his great hands. Not to mention the fact that UA had to throw 70 times a game because they sucked so bad.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Criner reminds me of a young healthy Chaz Schilens. Size, quickness, good route runner, good hands, no breakaway speed. I’d like to see him be a possession / redzone receiver like Chaz was at his best.
April 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Mike Goodman stats from 2010 when he filled in and started half the season for the Panthers…
Pros
103 carries
452 yards
4.4 avg
3 TDs
40 catches
310 yards
Cons
5 fumbles….3 of them were turnovers
April 29th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Opps
Goodson!
April 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
712. I had no idea you were a CFL fan, Kell.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Barry…your negativity is needed…I love it…
What else you got?
April 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Criner has the potential to be a great compliment to all of our speedster Wrs. Bigger guy can win some jump-balls on short yardage and goaline.
Last year we had the speed but no possession recievers, except briefly with Hagan.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Not thinking EVERY guy the Raiders pick is destined for Canton = negativity….Ok.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Mike Goodman stats from 2010 when he filled in and started half the season for the Panthers…
Pros
103 carries
452 yards
4.4 avg
3 TDs
40 catches
310 yards
Cons
5 fumbles….3 of them were turnovers
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the more snaps he gets, the better he’ll learn to control his fumbling problem, whether that be by changing the way he holds it or learns how to run and cut better while two arming it .. whatever it takes.
this, according to him, is something he greatly desires to fix. i keep going back to DHBallin’ folks… if he can do it, ANYONE CAN!
those stats will go up with more snaps as well.. especially his pass yards. kid has speed out of the backfield and fits a ZBS perfectly.
i like his chances a lot. hopefully it works out.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I don’t understand the hyperbole in here sometimes. Every player is either a Hall of Famer or completely worthless. Some people just like to get a reaction, I guess.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Don’t stop now….you were on a roll…
DHB a fringe player…DMAC gonna get hurt…continue…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Is DHB not a fringe player??
Does DMC not get hurt every year??
April 29th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Goodson is perfect to fill the role of a 3rd down back…which we haven’t had…
The 3rd down back outta the backfield is vital to keeoing drives going by running delay routes…
The Chargers are the best at using this technique…along with NE and New Orleans….
April 29th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
DHB is am improving young talent…and yes…Macfadden has gotten hurt ever year…which is why I loaded up Goodson’s stats as an answer to your prediction that DMAC is gonna go down…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
There’s a sockpuppet we haven’t heard from in a while.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
McFadden is only one of the better recieving backs in the NFL… but yeah, send him to the bench for Mike Goodson. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Goodsons stats from ‘11 please… thanks.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
MacFadden ain’t a 3rd down back….and he can use the rest…as you have already drawn attention to….
April 29th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Look them up yourself Barry….pretty sure he was injured…I don’t think he started any games for Carolina last season…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Just waiting for one of you putz’s to declare Brandon Carswell the next Marvin Harrison…if i stay on here long enough it WILL happen.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Keep it coming though….
I’m taking a crap…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
“McFadden aint a 3rd down back”..How so???
You were so quick wit da stats thought youd have em there Sparky.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Come on Barry…what do you like about the team next year?
That way we can switch sides and I can be the negative one….
April 29th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Macfadden obviously the skill set to be a 3rd down back…but he should be taken off the field in lieu of the fact that he cannot seem to stay healthy…
That way we give another player a defined role and DMAC doesn’t become so necessary in terms of moving the ball for this team….
April 29th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
obviously has…oops…my bad
April 29th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Fact- Best player on team needs to be on the field as much as possible. Period.
Mike Goodson is and should be a fill in/special teamer only
April 29th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
You make an interesting point…I agree.
Funny how you come on here and say DMAC is gonna get hurt and somehow you have steered your argument to that Macfadden should not leave the field…
What just happened Barry?
April 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
“If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original”
-Ken Robinson-
April 29th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Dont play him because of his injury history. Brilliant!!!
April 29th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I love it….keep defending Macfadden…tell all your friends how you came online talking trash about him and left knowing he was a GOD in cleats…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Fact- He is the teams best player.
Fact- He gets hurt every year.
Dispute EITHER.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
FoxSports gave the Raider Draft a D/Incomplete
ESPN gave them a C-.
Not good so far.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Brandon Carswell is the next Marvin Harrison!
April 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
DMC will stop having the bad injuries the same way he cleaned everything else up that was wrong with him! i have faith he’ll eventually give you 14 or 15 games a year! if it starts this year, hello playoffs by winning the division! no fuggin contest if you ask me …
April 29th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
the cleanups being his McFumble abilities, his vision, his cutback ability, his 2nd and 3rd gears when he gets to the second level, his balance(no shoe string tackles), and lastly, his bashing power when he punishes anyone for getting his in way with a full head of steam…
if he can clean all that up in 2 seasons, then he can sure as hell stop with the stupid foot injuries.
again, i have faith…
April 29th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I’ll take that further…if we get 14-15 games outta him…we win the Super Bowl!
April 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
The media is too focused on the lack of picks, in my opinion. They should be grading based on the value they got with the picks they had. Based on which, I would give the Raiders a B-.
But then, we all know how little sense it makes to grade a draft the day after it happens.
April 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
her we go…now we got Supe predictions! Thats the Raider fan I know and loathe
April 29th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
LMAO!
yea well, CP + DMC + Moore + DHB + Ford along gets us places on offense.. if any sleeper like Ausberry or Hardy contribute over the middle and Crines does the same as a possession receiver.. then we’ve really got something there.
maybe we need to get “Harbaugh every day regiment” that kept the niners virtually injury free and had gas in the 4th quarter in EVERY road game. you all hear about this study now they’re doing because of Jim Harbaugh? DA needs to get on this if it’s legit …
April 29th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
*alone
April 29th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Barry, you dropped your worm up there around comment 746….might wanna bait up again….
Maybe you’ll get a bite…
Too many fisherman here tonight….not enough fish….
And yes Barry..Super Bowl Talk….that’s the goal..that’s all we should be talking about…and a healthy McFadden…playing on 3rd down or not….will get us there….
I believe in who built this organization…and I believe in the direction it’s headed….
inspite of our DB-less draft yesterday…
April 29th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
The media is too focused on the lack of picks, in my opinion. They should be grading based on the value they got with the picks they had. Based on which, I would give the Raiders a B-.
But then, we all know how little sense it makes to grade a draft the day after it happens.
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i hope they end up with a B- … i like to start grading after their rookie season. look how much D. Moore and Wiz 2.0 up’d our draft record from last year. Moore was in the status of Green and Cam in talks of offensive rookie of the year even to all the haters of the world. and Wiz is the best LG we have that now will dominate the Center position for us.
draft grades are tough, although if you want to grade draft based on need like Mike Lombardi’s fagazz does, then i’d give them a B- … would have been higher had they got a CB even in UDFA …
April 29th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
It was almost as if they deliberately didn’t draft a corner for some reason….
Who knows?
April 29th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Maybe they have someone lined up and we just haven’t gotten word of it yet….I’d love to hear that is why we didn’t pick a DB.
Andre Goodman would be nice….he worked with Coach Allen last season.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Maybe they didn’t draft a corner because they already have 5 of them on their roster, and they want to concentrate on stopping the run.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Stoppin Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning does not consist of stopping the run….
April 29th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
OMG! Only dumbass Todd McShay of BSPN would argue that Washington and Mike Shannahan did the right thing in picking Kirk Cousins in the 4th round. There was absolutely no need for this pick and it will only cause an unnecessary distraction.
Shanny it just goes to show that without Elway you suck as a coach
April 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
The Raiders 2012 draft class…
Carson Palmer QB
Joe Barksdale OL
Taiwan Jones RB
Terelle Pryor QB
Aaron Curry LB
Tony Bergstrom OL
Miles Burris LB
Jack Crawford DE
Juron Criner WR
Christo Bilukidi DT
Nate Stupar LB
Looks like a very good draft to me.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
If those teams are running….they are doing us a favor.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
764.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
If those teams are running….they are doing us a favor.
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Are you serious?
We haven’t been able to stop the run in 10 years!
April 29th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Kirk Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
764.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
If those teams are running….they are doing us a favor.
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Are you serious?
We haven’t been able to stop the run in 10 years!
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Can’t stop a nose bleed
April 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I’ll discuss last season…too many variables involved to discuss the last 10 years…
Last season the games we lost that were win-able were because on an inability to stop the pass when we KNEW they were going to pass…
Buffalo
Detroit
San Diego (Game 2)
Lets assume we have a healthy Offensive Unit next year….we are going to score a ton of points….which will force teams to have to pass the ball…which is what happened last year…
April 29th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I hope to GOD I’m wrong about our secondary….but I’m not.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
they have 2 corners and a bunch of has beens
April 29th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I’ll discuss last season…too many variables involved to discuss the last 10 years…
Last season the games we lost that were win-able were because on an inability to stop the pass when we KNEW they were going to pass…
Buffalo
Detroit
San Diego (Game 2)
Lets assume we have a healthy Offensive Unit next year….we are going to score a ton of points….which will force teams to have to pass the ball…which is what happened last year…
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The other 5 games Oakland lost were because of the Dline’s inability to 1) get to the quarterback and 2) stop the run. The Buffalo game was a glaring example of that.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
This is a pass happy league now a days…
Going into a season with corners who didn’t have quality time the previous season is a huge risk….
A risk that is not necessary.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
i agree but the geniuses in here wanted routt gone…
April 29th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Future Raider Hall of Famers:
Oakland Raiders
Marqutte King, P, Fort Valley State
Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
Dominique Hamilton, DT, Missouri
Chaz Powell, CB, Penn State
Thomas Mayo, WR, Cal (Pa)
Lucas Nix, OG, Pitt
Conroy Black, CB, Utah
Dan Knapp, OL, Arizona State
Derek Carrier, TE, Beloit
Mario Kurn, LB, San Diego
Kaelin Burnett, DE, Nevada
Brandon Carswell, USC, WR
Rod Streater, WR, Temple
Ralph Guidry, DT, Kansas State
Corey Gatewood, CB, Stanford
Darius Nall, DE, UCF (TRYOUT)
April 29th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
I don’t mind Routt being gone…but fill a need…and if we don’t have the money to get a guy (which maybe we don’t) we should have drafted one in the mid rounds yesterday…and he wouldn’t have been too costly…
April 29th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Routt couldn’t cover my mother and she’s been deed four years!
April 29th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
*dead
April 29th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Everyone in here needs to go to twitter and tell Tyvon Branch to sign his tender and to get with his team….
@tyvonbranch is his address….
Lets show him we need him….
April 29th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
While you’re at it…send a message to Reece as well…
@CelReece45
April 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
775 follow what the sheep say…but routt will burn us twice next year…dvd and chekwa need to step up but there is no number 3.
April 29th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Al drafted corners in the first round 5 of 7 years.
How did that turn out?
April 29th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Raiders donating large chunk of season-ticket sales to local schools!
Even after Mr. Davis is gone and the Raiders are still leading the way by helping those in need.
Great Job!
April 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Kirk…we didn’t have a 1st round pick…We did get Palmer…which was better…but what’s your point….
We couldn’t afford to pay a 1st round DB this year anyways…we could have afforded a 4th rounder though…
April 29th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I don,t Think manning will make it through the season.Denver,s Line is not really that good.Tebow had to run around alot due to blocking was poor.Manning don,t have that stout line he had in indy all those years.As for the chargers we will hurt half the o line like we always do a ruin their season again.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Love old school Football when we had mean guys who could play rough and not half to worry about getting flags threw all the time.Here a link to the raiders Real D from the 70s http://youtu.be/zXto11uQsps
April 29th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Al Davis gets mauled because his edict was height, weight, speed. During the draft all teams are chasing height, weight, speed and the same commentators like Mayock cite one of the three as why the player is worth a pick.
The difference? Anyone NOT associated with the Raiders making a pick on height, weight, or speed is a genius for making that pick…
Mayock looked like a sad man who is starting to believe the fallacy that he is a talent evaluation genius…a lie perpetrated by his employer.
But nobody built a story on the statements Lombardi said about how he and Belichik (for example)still use Al’s tactics today, did they?
April 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Did anyone claim Belichik was a fool for giving away an extra pick to move up in the first round, for each of his picks? No, what a shame.
Instead, ESPN’s Hanson was ready to blow him for no reason after Round 1 was over.
I was waiting for a REAL report on how he panicked and overpaid for guys that would have been there at his normal pick slot anyway.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Man Guys on Raiders D in the 70s would rip guys heads off who,s in the NFL now days.Those guys in the 70s played to hurt people.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Belichik is supposed to be a genius and a defensive minded coach, right.
Yet his team was ranked 31 or so in defense last year even after all the draft picks he had.
The true genius is an offensive staff member who works with Brady.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
The Oracle is on fire…time to shut up and listen….
Keep preaching!
April 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Met Rod Martin (2-time Raider SB winner) yesterday. The guy was very personable and he stated that losing Al was definitely a big blow. He laughingly said he wouldn’t want to play in today’s game with the rules the way they are…
I asked him about Reggie and he said he was very smart and a very hardline king of guy. Said he’s excited about the future of the Raiders…
Let me wear his SB ring which I could not fill with my finger…but during the parting handshake I learned his hands are HUGE and strong.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
but routt will burn us twice next year
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I think you’re confused. Routt gave up 5 TDS on the same redzone post pattern. I think we will be guaranteed 2 TDs this year based on this pattern alone. On top of that, he led the league in yellow flags. So we’re guaranteed 2 drive extending flags per game. It’s all good man.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Hey Coach, with the guys you have at corner…you are gonna have to be a DB guru…I can promise you that!
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if coach Allen is the guru the beat writers think he is, we’ll have 5 All Pro corners at least
1. Ron Bartell comes back from broken neck to play like Nnamdi
2. Chimdi Chekwa uses his speed and special teams mentality tackling ability to become the Eric Allen
3. Fast, fluid DVD mysteriously gets stuffed with steroids, packs on 25 lbs of muscle, starts seeing and competing for the ball in the air, starts tackling, and becomes the next Mike Haynes
4. Pat Lee recovers fully 3 years after blowing out his knee and uses his special teams mentality, speed, and athletic talent to become the next Lester Hayes
5. Shawntae Spencer, as the old man, becomes a great leader coach on the field and uses his wisdom and athletic ability to become a modern day pre-retirement cornerback version of R-Wood, the story of the season as player-coach
6. Brandon Underwood finds religion from the new draftees, stops beating up his wife, and plays football for a whole season without getting suspended or arrested, and gets primed for a breakout season when Spencer retires to the coaching staff as under-guru…and becomes better than his Green Bay mentor, C-Wood as “Overwood-Superhero Role Model”
7. Bryan McCann gets brains and becomes a great 50-cent-piece back in the guru’s 7 DB formation
the potential is there
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
775 follow what the sheep say…but routt will burn us twice next year…dvd and chekwa need to step up but there is no number 3.
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Have you ever seen Routt play?
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
True NT’s were completely ignored with pick #95. 4-3 variations. Print that.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
i agree but the geniuses in here wanted routt gone…
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there are no geniuses in here, but most of us were smart enough to want Routt gone
April 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
The Oracle Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Met Rod Martin (2-time Raider SB winner) yesterday.
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I met Rod Martin at local hot spot in Ventura in 1982.
April 29th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Reggie Raided linebacker U..didn’t he?
This could be an argument for some 3-4 next year. Either way, the Raiders should be able to stuff the run better this year and 51 and 55 are on notice…
April 29th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
The Oracle Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
True NT’s were completely ignored with pick #95. 4-3 variations. Print that.
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as an environmentalist, I don’t cut down trees to print what can be noted repeatedly by reading this blog online
they were also ignored in picks 1-107 or so , whenever Alameda Ta’amu was selected, as noted here, which includes pick #95
April 29th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Hardline Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Someone supplied a link to Burris’ highlight reel. Of course it was a highlight reel, but this kid looks really, really good. If he can play that good at the next level he’ll be the next Ray Lewis.
He played outside and the ball was handed to a back opposite Burris. Burris was double teamed and knocked to the ground, then popped up, reversed field pursued, closed on and tackled the runner……30 yds down the field…..awesome play.
I am just wondering about his level of competition coming from SD State.
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I was wondering who would be the first ra-Tard to call this guy “the next Ray Lewis”, should figured it would have you.
When was the last time Lewis let a RB run for 30 yards in one shot on him??
I seen to remember Tyler Brayton making the same type plays, and boy was he just like Jarred Allen…
April 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
The Oracle Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Met Rod Martin (2-time Raider SB winner) yesterday.
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I met Rod Martin at local hot spot in Ventura in 1982.
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Cool, then you can confirm what a pleasure it is to talk to the man.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
alzadoX Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
The Oracle Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
True NT’s were completely ignored with pick #95. 4-3 variations. Print that.
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as an environmentalist, I don’t cut down trees to print what can be noted repeatedly by reading this blog online
they were also ignored in picks 1-107 or so , whenever Alameda Ta’amu was selected, as noted here, which includes pick #95
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A rhetorical print job was suggested, of course. I too appreciate the environment.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Chiefs look a lot tougher on paper after draft weekend, IMO. But, they still have Cassell behind C, that seems like a plus. Injured players coming back for them, too.
Charles, Berry, Meoki…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
I was wondering who would be the first ra-Tard to call this guy “the next Ray Lewis”, should figured it would have you.
When was the last time Lewis let a RB run for 30 yards in one shot on him??
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It’s obvious you dont know what play Hardline was referring to. Burris was the outside LB. He held his containment and there were 3 Wolverines blocking on that side. The runner cut back to the inside to the middle where there was a huge hole and Burris ended up running 30 yds downfield to catch Robinson from Michigan. I’d called that not giving up on the play.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
The AFC West has been wide open since Elway retired. For over a decade now, you’ve had 4 spotty franchises. Could the Raiders now have the most cohesive organization in the AFC West? We could own this division the way the Niners used to own the NFC West. Look how good we were when Gruden was here. That didn’t happen in a vacuum. Al was gone a lot, dealing with lawsuits. Gruden and Bruce Allen ran the team. And, that team wasn’t great. They were better than average. But in the post-Elway AFC West, better than average worked. 3 consecutive division titles.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
When I go to bed, the divisional foe concerns is set at this ordinal list:
1.KC
2.Den
3.SD
April 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
They were better than average. But in the post-Elway AFC West, better than average worked.
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Yes, KC and Den both recently “backed” into the playoffs in the AFC West. That era is closing so we have to get our chit together.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
The Oracle Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
The Oracle Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Met Rod Martin (2-time Raider SB winner) yesterday.
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I met Rod Martin at local hot spot in Ventura in 1982.
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Cool, then you can confirm what a pleasure it is to talk to the man.
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Yep! We knocked back several cold one’s with me, a few of my buds, RM and Jeff Barnes. Shot pool. It was a great night to say that when you were 20 you hung out with members of the Raiders.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Oracle, what more can we do to get our stuff together? Fire everyone and hire Parcells?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
So far, so good. No reason to believe up to this point that the Raiders don’t have as cohesive of an organization as anyone in the league. After hiring McKenzie, Mark has been out of the limelight. Good thing. Draft was good considering the picks we had to work with. So far, so good. We haven’t played a game yet but everything looks good so far.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Believe it or not but I truly think the greatest asset the Raiders have right now going in to this season, and especially beyond, is the front office and the new attitude and stability RM & DA have brought.
Whatever happens I think these dudes are on the right path. How many wins is that worth? 2? 3? 4?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
No UDFA QB invited to camp.Leinert must have been in the works. I saw GJ Kinne went undrafted. Thought we would be kickking the tires on some UDFA QB…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
How many *extra* wins is that worth? 2? 3? 4?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Everyone in football operations answers to McKenzie now. The only potential problems? Holdover players from the Al era. Could be some cap penalties if we had to release any of them, but from a standpoint of personnel need, it’s not like we really have any sure future hall of famers. No scholarships! Start copping an attitude, you’re gone.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Oracle, what more can we do to get our stuff together? Fire everyone and hire Parcells?
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No we don’t have to reinvent the wheel man. Let’s just get the best starting/backup player possible at every position, asap. That, we have not done but we are on that directive it seems. For example, we dont have the QB of the future on the roster. Then loo at our secondary and LB’s. Still a work in progress, but we knew that.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
TP = Future starting QB!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
McKenzie hasn’t had a chance to get the QB of the future on our roster. That’s still an INC. No way you can grade him on that. He didn’t even get a pick till the 3rd round. Nobody worth trading even more future draft picks for. We already bungled this draft to get Palmer.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
I still think we should sign a nickel pass rusher. Burris is a LB, and the Kid from Penn is a LDE.
We need pass rushers and DBs to win the West. KC will run the ball, but Denver and SD will pass a lot more (Rivers & Manning).
April 29th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Well to me Pryor will be QB of the future.This is really his rookie season.He will actually learn stuff this year having a QB coach.Last year he came at a bad time and got set back by Huh Jackson Trying to do everything like HC OC and QB coach.Pryor had no one to learn from because HUH brought Palmer in and after that it was piss on everyone else at the QB position.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
How do you know we don’t have the QB of the future on the roster?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
We can waste time looking at losers like Lienart and in the same sentence say Pryor can’t play……….now that’s rich.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
If it wasn’t for off the field issues, TP would have been drafted higher based on talent and college production. He wanted to go back to school, he didn’t declare for the regular draft, was suspended by the NCAA, so he had to declare for the supplemental draft.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
This league has made a mockery of the QB position with bums like Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, and everyone in between but TP is not good enough to play. The made a national hero out of complete mess in TIM Tebow but Pryor aint good enough…………..what a joke!!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
This is pretty much Pryors rookie season.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
WOw popped in here to read some new stuff n only got disappointed when I seen that someone who’s name should not be mentioned is back to ruin a great blog ..thank you
April 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Priest, Leinert doesn’t deserve a chance? Seriously, are we the Patriots, with Brady? The Steelers, with Ben?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Blog Brahs, check out my impression of Reggie -
Hey guys, alright guys, how’s it going guys?
Pretty sweet huh? Went with the Certified Platinum Posse to the Improv this weekend and saw some below average stand up comedy.
Thinking I might start doing hilarious impressions as a side project.
Got a lot of amazing ideas I’ll run by you dudes this week, pretty sure I’m onto something huge
April 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Carson Palmer is 32 years old…
He is the QB of our future.
If Reggie doesn’t wake up and pick up a DB Palmer will be here long than our new GM….
Write That Down
April 29th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
O and hotshot…he may or may not be. My statement is that we do not know without a doubt the planned QB of the future is on the roster. The next few months will decide what he is to be.
44…yes, getting to that point will take time. Thus, my statement about needing to get our chit together. I expected to have a stopgap QB addition this year due to lack of early picks and the investment in Palmer. Thus, I expected to see an UDFA QB brought in so we could seperate from Boller…
April 29th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
I’ll say it right now. Terrelle Pryor is hands down better than Ryan Tannehill. he’s better than Jake Locker and a host of other bumms who were drafted in the 1st rnd. Just because they look the part.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Leinert on the roster would be a perfect chance for Pryor to prove by pre season roster cuts that he’s our solidified backup and possibly Palmer’s successor, would it not? Or is it that you don’t have faith in Pryor’s ability to outshine Leinert in training camp?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
priest you sound afraid of Leinert. I don’t know why. If you think Pryor is better than him, Pryor will show it, won’t he?
April 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
This league has made a mockery of the QB position with bums like Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, and everyone in between but TP is not good enough to play. The made a national hero out of complete mess in TIM Tebow but Pryor aint good enough…………..what a joke!!
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Yes man I just don’t see what Tebow have that Pryor doesn’t , the dude is faster other skills are on par with or better than Tebow .. So it makes no sense when idiots think he can’t play
April 29th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Pryor might eventually be a very good QB, but at this point in his career he is in no way better than Jake Locker. Jake Locker has actually started NFL games and performed well. Until Pryor has done the same, he is not better than Locker by any stretch of the imagination.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
We will finally have stability keeping our same coaches and Pryor will be learning the System.He can sit back for a couple of year and perfect his craft and learn from Palmer and the QB coach.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I’m about as afraid of Lienart as I am of you fool. Lienart is GARBAGE………..period
April 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Leinart is white so based on that fact alone he will get multiple chances. Till hopefully he throws a couple of good passes like Alex Smith then they can forget all the garbage he did for 6 years.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
How do you know we don’t have the QB of the future on the roster?
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Because we do not know FOR SURE that Pryor will be in our plans after camps. Reggie and Dennis said the same and its their decision. If he sticks, great but we can’t say today he IS, without a doubt, our future in which the Raiders will invest.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
priest why are you afraid of the Raiders’ signing Leinert? Believe this: McKenzie is going to base our QB depth chart entirely on skill. Entirely. If Leinert winds up moving past Pryor, it would only be because Leinert outperformed Pryor in workouts, training camp, preseason games.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
priest you’re saying Reggie McKenzie is going to give Leinert more chances because he’s white? Absurd.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
The draft just ended yesterday and you have this whole day to write something about the picks or something n Steve you couldn’t like put up a one new article c’mon man you need to stop lagging
April 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Before any of you can argue the QB of the future you have to OPERATIONALLY DEFINE future.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Also if Pryor take over after Palmer gone our offense will be 10 times better than it is now most likely.All the young guys will have their stuff together and will be easier on him coming in and starting.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
YA you don’t know your ass from ahole in the ground I watched both players throughout their careers Locker is a one of the worse mistakes an org could possibly make. Never won NOTHING NOTHING……Pryor took his team to three straight BCS Bowl games winning MVP twice!! He wins games all Locker is, is white………period
April 29th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Hot Shot, you don’t trust that McKenzie will base our QB depth chart entirely on skill? Why not? What reason has Reggie given you to this point to believe he wouldn’t? You and priest are paranoid.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Before any of you can argue the QB of the future you have to OPERATIONALLY DEFINE future.
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OK, I will define future to equate to a business srategy or the long term. 3-10 years out with redirection as necessary. Not the short term, 2 or three years.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
YA you don’t know your ass from ahole in the ground I watched both players throughout their careers Locker is a one of the worse mistakes an org could possibly make. Never won NOTHING NOTHING……Pryor took his team to three straight BCS Bowl games winning MVP twice!! He wins games all Locker is, is white………period
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Ahaha, Priest, you are nothing but hyperbole. Impossible to take you seriously.
College is college. NFL is NFL. When Pryor is ready to start an NFL game, we’ll see if he can be better than Jake Locker.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
The reason why we are bringing in lienart is because you need more than two quarterbacks sometimes , and he’s familiar with the system to help the young guy (Pryor n even give some pointers to Palmer .. Gosh you guys overreact to everything
April 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
YA,
TP was a better QB prospect, but I understand/ agree with your point.
IMO based on college production, TP was a better prospect than Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Give Pryor 3 years under CP and it is quite possible the dude may mature enough to seriously be considered a starter in the NFL.
RGIII & Luck are both extremely mature men and capable of leading an NFL football team. AP ain’t there yet.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
*TP
April 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
I just think the kid has a chance because he does have skills and I think the coaching staff we have can help him alot.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Based on college production and talent.,….
April 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Anyways I’m pretty sure the blog is about to be ruined because that guy is back … Catch with u guys tomorrow .
April 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
3-10 years?
What business leader gets 3-10 years to reach success?
Oh Wait…we are talking about Quarterbacks…
I thought we were talking about Reggie!
Oooops!
April 29th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Also never said nothing about not trusting our GM dont put words out there I didn,t say.
April 29th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
C0de Blaxk
April 29th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
I don’t mind Pryor. Like the kid’s work ethic thus far. Unfortunately, hard work alone doesn’t mean automatic success in the NFL.
He’ll get his chance to prove himself. Right now? He doesn’t appear to be ready. And the fact that the Raiders are bringing Leinart in for a tryout suggests that they agree – or at the very least, feel that they need to have a backup plan.
One thing’s for sure, it would make things a whole lot easier if Pryor was the long-term answer at QB. I’m hoping he is. If he puts it all together, the kid has a very nice skill set.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
priest, tell me you believe McKenzie will not base our QB depth chart on skill, and that Reggie McKenzie, a black man, btw, will actually give Leinert more chances because Leinert is white. Tell me that’s what you believe, and I’m on board with you. I won’t go to one game or buy one single shred of Raider merchandise until McKenzie is gone. Tell me you genuinely believe it. And if you do, why would you continue to support this team? Because if that’s true, that is messed up. I don’t want to support a team that’s run that way.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Brahs, this impression of TJ just came to me, imagine I’m using a classic Fred Sanford voice
“Aaaaa you young uns don’t know squat about quarterbackin’, I’m a professioal prognosticator so stand back while I wet my undershorts”
Now that would kill if I was opening for Andrew Dice Clay
April 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Paranoid for what??? You’re delusional you msut be his girlfriend..
Leinart is a waste of time get someone who can do the damn job and bring this team a legitimate backup. We wasted enough time with Boller and these other fools get a QB a real one………period
April 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Hot Shot, I asked you. Asking you a question isn’t putting words into your mouth.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
TP will sit and learn from a good QB, and Palmer is still young enough to play 4-7 more years.
We gave a good offense.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Have*
April 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Exactly
April 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
3-10 years?
What business leader gets 3-10 years to reach success?
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Norv Turner!
Yeah man, 3-10 years was my definition of future in the term :quaterback of the future”. That means that the QB is expected to be running the team at least three years out…
April 29th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
MistaBrown Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
PeymourGlen, looks like RM & DA forgot to mention Stupar will replace McClain.
lmfao
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Jamista, you ran and hid for two hours. And then posted? You are a gutless POS.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
priest, signing Leinert is a waste of time? I don’t think so. Not with our QB depth chart. You’re acting like we’re in New England’s position, Pittsburgh’s. Like our QB position is just a lock.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Putting words into your mouth. lol. Nothing’s changed in here. Notice only liars say that?
April 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
All this talk of our QBs and we should be discussing our GM……
Why?
A draft is a huge portion of his duties, and neglecting our greatest need, Defensive Back, is a problem.
I am a little confused that “REGGIE” wasn’t asked why “HE” didn’t draft a DB. Why ask Coach Allen, is it his job?
NOPE
April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
YA you don’t know what he appears to be let it play itself out. he hasn’t had a training camp to make asssumptions he’s not ready you are talking out of your ass…………period
April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
“don’t put words into my mouth” is right there with “prove it”. Honest people defend their implication as much as their actual words.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
The Raiders will put the best players on the field regardless of color.Someone always got to pull the race card Shut up.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
He’ll get his chance to prove himself. Right now? He doesn’t appear to be ready. And the fact that the Raiders are bringing Leinart in for a tryout suggests that they agree – or at the very least, feel that they need to have a backup plan.
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Bringing Leinart is not an indication that TP is not ready to be a backup. Who is our 3rd QB? We need to have 3 capable QBs for camp and preseason and regular season.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
If Hot Shot and Priest believe McKenzie will form our QB depth chart based on anything other than skill, they believe McKenzie has some kind of agenda. No way around it. That’s not putting words into your mouth, that’s putting you in a corner.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Prove what just think the kid has a chance its called an opinion quit being an idiot.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
I am a little confused that “REGGIE” wasn’t asked why “HE” didn’t draft a DB.
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My take is that he will look for veteran drops because he is more comfortable with that than plugging in a green, later round draft pick.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Hard to think Leinert will be on the roster let alone make the team. If they’re serious about an UDFA I think they missed the boat.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
YA you don’t know what he appears to be let it play itself out. he hasn’t had a training camp to make asssumptions he’s not ready you are talking out of your ass…………period
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I’m the one saying let it play out. We’ll see what Pryor can do when he’s ready. He’s not ready right now. By proclaiming him better than Jake Locker, a player who has actually started an NFL game, YOU are talking out of your ass.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
You guys can talk Terrelle Pryor and Matt Leinart all night long…
The guy you should be accessing if Reggie McKenzie..who..seemed to get a free pass in almost everyone’s eyes this weekend.
I’m here to speak for Mr. Al Davis….and Mr. Davis isn’t happy!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Man U vs. Man City tomorrow.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
What did Reggie do wrong this weekend? Should he have traded even more future draft picks for someone clearly not worth them? And ruin even more future drafts? BTW, MR. Davis no longer has a voice.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
I am a little confused that “REGGIE” wasn’t asked why “HE” didn’t draft a DB.
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My take is that he will look for veteran drops because he is more comfortable with that than plugging in a green, later round draft pick.
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If that was his strategy heading into the draft then we are worse off then I thought….
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Unless you mean Mark Davis…
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Like Starting a game means something, you are clueless!!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Mr. Davis has a voice. It’s right here!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
And here comes tj getting all emotional, call people names, and insert race into the QB discussion. Boy, I’m sure glad Reggie is running this thing and I’m glad he’s not a racist. TJ, do yourself a favor and stick to the facts. Leave name calling out of it.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Race is a part of this screwed up society and it gets interjected all the time when some moron says a kid like TP should play WR or TE. That is racially biased no matter what you say.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I am not sold on Reggie McKenzie.
The jury is still out in my mind. I have not heard anything but optimism from anyone and everyone.
Based on what I have to go on….I am undecided.
Leading up to the draft I like every move.
His inability to address a huge need in our secondary for a long term solution at this point is a mistake.
He still has time to correct it.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I’m sure glad Reggie didn’t even pick up the phone when it came to Campbell coming back, so we don’t have to deal with this nonsense again this year from the likes of Mistic and the other clowns.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Race is a part of this screwed up society and it gets interjected all the time when some moron says a kid like TP should play WR or TE. That is racially biased no matter what you say.
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Well, I agree with you there. Just don’t think there’s a place for all the name calling and throwing other white QBs into the trash bin just to make your point. Yes, TP absolutely deserves a chance to show what he’s got. I’m looking forward to it. But for now, I’m looking forward to having Palmer as our QB.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
3 months till the season starts. Can’t wait, fellas.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
All you guys do nowadays is use code words for racism like( he’s athletic ) meaning basically he’s dumb!……….yet guys like Ryan Tannehill get picked in the top 10 like Gabbert and they haven’t done squat compared to TP……….Oh! but there ready they can be franchise QB’s yeah right!!
It’s the same olee crap I’ve heard for a 1,000 years…….bigotry!!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
You guys can talk Terrelle Pryor and Matt Leinart all night long…
The guy you should be accessing if Reggie McKenzie..who..seemed to get a free pass in almost everyone’s eyes this weekend.
I’m here to speak for Mr. Al Davis….and Mr. Davis isn’t happy!
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Dude! WTF do you want? The dude had 5 picks, 3 of which he could not trade, one of which he did and got another pick – from 5 to 6? The Raiders drafted for need and got good value for what they got. STFU!
Josh Criner is a plug-in replacement for Chaz Schilens
April 29th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Play victim some place else…race doesn’t mean anything….prejudice exists in all forms and always will…
Move on’
April 29th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Priest – the fins reached for Tannehill. We all know that.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Rich Eisen is a tool.
That is all for tonight. Peace.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Raidernationdave….thank you for your cut and paste…it did not go un-noticed…
I appreciate your energy in the matter.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Let’s stick to the facts. We have a GM that we know isn’t racist so let’s not get too upset over TP. He will get his chance.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Damn give our GM some credit.The guy stepped into a mess.He was left with little draft picks over paid players Salary cap issues.Can,t solve it in one season.So Many haters in the world.Why do some of you even cheer for this team anyways always hating.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
How in hell do you take Tannehill in the 1st rnd?? What has he DONE??? the same thing happened last year with Locker who was terrible. Yet he got picked 8th overall ………..go figure!!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Code Pin the Neckbrace on the Donkey
April 29th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Raidernationdave….thank you for your cut and paste…it did not go un-noticed…
I appreciate your energy in the matter.
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I do that when I’m looking to speak directly to someone. OS I guess.
I guess you got my point because it shut you up.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I’m not WORRIED about TP getting his chance that will happen wothout question or DA wont be here long. DA if he is smart would be sure to give that kid the same oppportunity he gives anyone else and then some because Mark Davis nor Reggie will accept one iota less…………period
April 29th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
869.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
All this talk of our QBs and we should be discussing our GM……
Why?
A draft is a huge portion of his duties, and neglecting our greatest need, Defensive Back, is a problem.
I am a little confused that “REGGIE” wasn’t asked why “HE” didn’t draft a DB. Why ask Coach Allen, is it his job?
NOPE
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Backstageatapuppetshow,
I know you have been agitated for awhile regarding our CB situation. It seems Reggie has done everything else spot on. If we truly have a need (notwithstanding what you believe) to bolster our CB crew, I am sure Reggie has a remedy ready and waiting, and in time that will unfold.
As far as you “speaking for Mr. Davis”: why not go out and just stick your head in a operational buzz saw. Davis was in a state of dementia and almost total incompetence for the past 10 years. Even if you wanted to speak for AD, you couldn’t: the lights were on but no one was home.
Don’t try to pretend that you are old enough to have been a fan in AD’s early and middle years, when he was a genius. I know by your flawed arguments and the language you use, you aren’t old enough to have experienced those years.
Our CB unit will be fine Backstage, just wait and see.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Maybe cause Miami dont have a QB and Tannehill fit their system.Maybe they like the kid.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
That’s the beauty of this team, priest. Color don’t mean a thing.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Let me put my 2 cents in: Leinart has looked terrible his entire NFL career. I can understand why Priest thinks Pryor deserves a chance. The question is: what does the Head Coach and Reggie think?
April 29th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
My problem si screwing arond with a bum like Leinart because he knows the WCO trhat is the ONLY reason they’re even looking at him. His familiarity with the WCO if not for that he would be OUT OF THE LEAGUE………….period
April 29th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Hot Shot Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Damn give our GM some credit.The guy stepped into a mess.He was left with little draft picks over paid players Salary cap issues.Can,t solve it in one season.So Many haters in the world.Why do some of you even cheer for this team anyways always hating.
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Stepped into a mess?
How so?
He is in charge of the Oakland Raiders. Or is he?
He is paid a huge sum of money and is replacing a legend. I’d say that comes with some criticism. I am providing that. If he does something of value, I will address that with the same amount of praise.
How is it a mess?
He fired the Coach the first day.
He wants to throw blame….so I can too!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
862.Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
TP will sit and learn from a good QB, and Palmer is still young enough to play 4-7 more years.
We gave a good offense.
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4 to 7 more years ???? hmmmmmmm…….maybe 2 or 3, until TP takes over and becomes our franchise QB for at least 10.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I think Leinart’s being looked at just as a option for insurance purposes, in case of injuries. Homie has p1ssed away his opportunity. Heck, even big Al thought the kid was gonna be good but he p1ssed it all away. I wouldn’t be too worried about Leinart where it comes to TP. Pryor is the future. Leinart will just be insurance, a backup.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Ever Think bringing Leinart in is just making guys compete for their spot.Thats what preseason for to push people to play better and earn it.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Hardline…great post….I appreciate you reading my flawed arguments…as you so describe them….how is my age of any importance…my character is all that matters…and I can speak to Mr. Davis’s if I desire to do so.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I’m interested in seeing Pryor play this preseason. Hopefully they give the kid quite a bit of playing time.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
And not to be a homer, but I thought all the cornerbacks that were available to us were either injury prone, prima donnas, or thugs. I am glad Reggie did not pick one of them. I only question why he picked Crawford over Massaquoi. I hope he is right, and I am wrong.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Aren’t all DBs injury prone, prima donnas, or thugs?
All except Willie Brown and Rod Woodson
April 29th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
I made myself laugh!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Beach Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
And not to be a homer, but I thought all the cornerbacks that were available to us were either injury prone, prima donnas, or thugs. I am glad Reggie did not pick one of them.
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Couldn’t agree more. So far, I’m down with Reggie Mac in All Black.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Interesting to me that this topic has remained ALL dam day….must be good for business…I mean…heck…there couldn’t have been any Raider news today!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Backstage, me too.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Beach Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
And not to be a homer, but I thought all the cornerbacks that were available to us were either injury prone, prima donnas, or thugs. I am glad Reggie did not pick one of them.
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Couldn’t agree more. So far, I’m down with Reggie Mac in All Black.
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Couldn’t disagree more. So far, I’m undecided on Reggie Mac in Fading Black
April 29th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Stepped into a mess?
How so?
He is in charge of the Oakland Raiders. Or is he?
He is paid a huge sum of money and is replacing a legend. I’d say that comes with some criticism. I am providing that. If he does something of value, I will address that with the same amount of praise.
How is it a mess?
He fired the Coach the first day.
He wants to throw blame….so I can too!
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It might be one thing criticizing RM for doing something completely stupid and completely out of character. Dude had a great draft where 4 of the 6 picks could possibly see significant PT.
You have no fricken clue dude.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
I’m gonna ride Reggie’s ass like Zorro til midnight…just like I said I would….
Maybe in time he will learn to listen!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Thanks Dave…appreciate the honesty….Good luck with that!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Backstage,
No disrespect intended.
However, your age is important since you never witnessed the Raiders of old in AD’s early and middle years. Raiders were the greatest show on Earth. Them just coming onto the field was half the battle: smell the fear and smell the blood of Raider opponents. The Raiders’ greatest talent was their talent to win, led by their maverick owner, the greatest owner in the history of professional sports, AD.
However, AD lost it in his later years. To understand the Raiders and AD one must analyze them and him in the early, middle, and later years.
You can “speak for Mr. Davis” but you are merely speaking at a shadow of fallen greatness, and speaking for someone who effectively was lost after the year 2000.
You are very sincere Backstage, and an excellent contributor to the blog.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Hey fellas, you think any of the people who work for the organization are reading this right now?
Hahahaha
I can promise you they are here….
Say hello to them….and smile!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Let’s face it. Nobody knows yet what to expect. Reggie has a plan to bring in disciplined players on defense, and every Raider fan should like that. True, we may have not had a 1st or 2nd round pick, but we were just as good as every team in the division last season. Why can’t we win 10 games in 2012 and win this division?
April 29th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Hardline Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Backstage,
No disrespect intended.
However, your age is important since you never witnessed the Raiders of old in AD’s early and middle years. Raiders were the greatest show on Earth. Them just coming onto the field was half the battle: smell the fear and smell the blood of Raider opponents. The Raiders’ greatest talent was their talent to win, led by their maverick owner, the greatest owner in the history of professional sports, AD.
However, AD lost it in his later years. To understand the Raiders and AD one must analyze them and him in the early, middle, and later years.
You can “speak for Mr. Davis” but you are merely speaking at a shadow of fallen greatness, and speaking for someone who effectively was lost after the year 2000.
You are very sincere Backstage, and an excellent contributor to the blog.
========================================================Good. post Al Davis got old and sick and couldnt do things like he use to do but he could not admit he couldnt do that cause something called pride.He was missing games and was not around practices as much and it showed.
April 29th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Only us oldtimers can say we have seen the shrewd Al Davis, who brought in players that still had a few great years left in the tank, to win Super Bowls. That is the Al Davis that earned a Hall of Fame spot. We also witnessed the petty legal moves against Oakland and the NFL, the terrible draft picks, and perhaps his fatal error, trading Gruden to Tampa Bay. Mark Davis, who witnessed his father’s flaws, knows what needs to happen to return to the glory days. I believe it!
April 29th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Thanks Hardline…I appreciate your words.
I am 37 years old. I can appreciate what I know of a man who dedicated his life to what he believed in….
He and I share this same quality.
You forgot to mention that he dominated every area of his life and every area of this business and organization.
Reggie McKenzie does not possess this skill. I do.
I am disgusted by Reggie’s mistake within yesterdays draft picks by neglecting a huge area of need and believe Mr. Davis would want me to speak to it….
Reggie already received a personal email on the matter…and will wake in the AM to know that I publicly shared my disgust on this blog.
Reggie can never fully RUN this team. It is beyond that. The Raider Nation runs this show now. It is bigger than one man.
Reggie is merely a hired figurehead….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjQG-Tw9FY
April 30th, 2012 at 12:00 am
There was serious value gathered together in this draft. 4 of the 6 could see some serious PT this year. Considering what RM had to work with he easily grades a solid “B” and this bodes well for the future.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:01 am
When Al,s health started failing so did the raiders.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Backstage, that’s a foolish comment. Reggie is proven at drafting great ballplayers. Do you have NFL skills that we are not aware of?
April 30th, 2012 at 12:05 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says: He’s a tool.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:07 am
When Al,s health started failing so did the raiders.
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Evidently this must have happened in the late 80’s
April 30th, 2012 at 12:08 am
It’s still a long off season, boys. There will be plenty to talk about until the end of July. Good night!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:07 am
When Al,s health started failing so did the raiders.
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Evidently this must have happened in the late 80’s
=========================================================agreed but it got way worse after his health started going.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
QB – Palmer, Pryor, Leinart
FB – Reece, Tonga
HB – McFadden, Jones, Goodson, Miller
TE – Myers, Ausberry, Gordon
WR – Moore, Heyward-Bey, Ford, Criner, Murphy, Calhoun
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle, Bergstrom
C – Wisniewski
RG – Brisiel, Hurd
RT – Barnes, Barksdale
RDE – Shaughnessy, Crawford
DT – Kelly, Seymour, Ivey
LDE – Houston, Bryant
WLB – Wheeler, Curry
ILB – McClain, Goethel, Stupar
SLB – Burris, Tollefson
CB – Bartell, Spencer, Chekwa, Van Dyke, McCann
SS – Branch, Mitchell
FS – Huff, Giordano, Henry
K Janikowski
P Lechler
LS Condo
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Looks like there will be some competition for the last roster spots at DB, OL, DL, and WR. The Raiders still might look to make some veteran additions at any of those positions.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Interesting facts…
In Utah, it’s illegal to swear in front of a dead person.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 am
A zoo in China has trained lions to ride on horses.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Only female mosquitos bite.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Turtles can breathe through their ass3s
April 30th, 2012 at 12:49 am
When a male honey bee orgasms during sex, his nuts explode and he dies.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:02 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
QB – Palmer, Pryor, Leinart
FB – Reece, Tonga
HB – McFadden, Jones, Goodson, Miller
TE – Myers, Ausberry, Gordon
WR – Moore, Heyward-Bey, Ford, Criner, Murphy, Calhoun
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle, Bergstrom
C – Wisniewski
RG – Brisiel, Hurd
RT – Barnes, Barksdale
RDE – Shaughnessy, Crawford
DT – Kelly, Seymour, Ivey
LDE – Houston, Bryant
WLB – Wheeler, Curry
ILB – McClain, Goethel, Stupar
SLB – Burris, Tollefson
CB – Bartell, Spencer, Chekwa, Van Dyke, McCann
SS – Branch, Mitchell
FS – Huff, Giordano, Henry
K Janikowski
P Lechler
LS Condo
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Looks like there will be some competition for the last roster spots at DB, OL, DL, and WR. The Raiders still might look to make some veteran additions at any of those positions.
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April 30th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Chris in NY Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Bilukidi actually looks really good, IMO. The athleticism of this big man pops out at you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY
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interesting video.
first time I saw a standup nose tackle since late 1970s college football
calling this kid raw is an understatement, but he’s athletic. Mobile, agile, changes directions, body control is really nice for a big guy. Can see how he could play basketball before growing into a football player.
I was wondering how they were playing division II football on astroturf in a nice stadium till I found out they play in the Georgia Dome. They are a new college and/or new football program that is trying to move up to division I
liked the Angolan music too but wish they played more instead of looping a segment
April 30th, 2012 at 1:17 am
The gem for next year; Billy Turner, LT from North Dakota State.
BTW; saw him on the tele three times last year & in person @ the FCS Champs for 2012. . .his daddy was an NFL RB for Minnesota. 6′6″, 295 lbs., good movement skills, great feet & a mean streak. . .
April 30th, 2012 at 1:21 am
yeah I think Bilukidi will do fine on our line.I never down grade our draft picks until I see them play.I at least give them a chance to prove them selves.Some folks on here are quick to judge people and I don,t care for that.I think we have couple other draft picks I think will be good as well.but time will tell.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:32 am
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
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can’t determine who will make 53 man roster yet. Preseason is not nearly as useless as some make it out to be.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:35 am
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew marijuana
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 am
yeah and Ron Jeremy looks like Luigi.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:42 am
Also the guy on Dirty jobs show looks like Ernest P Worrell.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:42 am
Don’t believe it? Look it up.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Didn,t Say that!just stating that those guys look alike.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:49 am
My bad.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Its all good man!!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:52 am
An Englishman playing for the Raiders i never thought id live to see the day, if he can learn pass-rush moves quickly watch out, my boy is living the dream
April 30th, 2012 at 1:56 am
Violent Hands Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:52 am
An Englishman playing for the Raiders i never thought id live to see the day, if he can learn pass-rush moves quickly watch out, my boy is living the dream
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hey Violent Hands can you coach up Bilukidi he needs some iron in him mittens and some whack off the snap….exceptional athlete for a big man though
check out his video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY
April 30th, 2012 at 2:06 am
“Reggie knows who can play and who cant“
Ron Wolf
April 30th, 2012 at 2:14 am
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April 30th, 2012 at 2:59 am
April 30th, 2012 at 2:06 am
“Reggie knows who can play and who can’t“
Ron Wolf
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OUR GM CAN BEAT UP THEIR GM…AS A PERSONNEL EVALUATOR.
The new Reggime is starting a great new era for the Raiders
April 30th, 2012 at 3:26 am
More I think about it
the more confident I gain in Reggie’s draft picks;
1) drafting Bergstrom sets the Raiders OLine from LT to RG> Vehldeer, Bergstrom, Wisniewski, Brisiel with Barnes, Barksdale, & Bergstrom competing for RT and Carlisle off the bench. This allows reggie and the Raiders to focus on skill players at the 2013 draft.
2) Burris just could be the next Urlacher, Z. Thomas, M. Singletary> McClain step up or get shipped out- same goes for Goethel.
3) Crinur I bet he plays more games for the Raiders than Chaz did/will for the Raiders and Jets combined.
4) DL reaches; not that much of a reach- Seymour & Kelly are getting up there in years Houston, Shaughnessy, Bryant are all-starters, Tollefson could be as well> Crawford and Biliukidi will be coming off the bench more than likely anyway;
5) you can never go wrong drafting a Penn St. LB in the 7th round.
Raiders are set up nicely for 2013 off-season>
Raiders 2012season is going to come down to Palmer’s performance & McFadden’s health anyway.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:11 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:26 am
More I think about it
the more confident I gain in Reggie’s draft picks;
1) drafting Bergstrom sets the Raiders OLine from LT to RG> Vehldeer, Bergstrom, Wisniewski, Brisiel with Barnes, Barksdale, & Bergstrom competing for RT and Carlisle off the bench. This allows reggie and the Raiders to focus on skill players at the 2013 draft.
2) Burris just could be the next Urlacher, Z. Thomas, M. Singletary> McClain step up or get shipped out- same goes for Goethel.
3) Crinur I bet he plays more games for the Raiders than Chaz did/will for the Raiders and Jets combined.
4) DL reaches; not that much of a reach- Seymour & Kelly are getting up there in years Houston, Shaughnessy, Bryant are all-starters, Tollefson could be as well> Crawford and Biliukidi will be coming off the bench more than likely anyway;
5) you can never go wrong drafting a Penn St. LB in the 7th round.
Raiders are set up nicely for 2013 off-season>
Raiders 2012season is going to come down to Palmer’s performance & McFadden’s health anyway.
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Only question was not taking Ta’amu of Washington at 95, but the Raiders dont have the personnel to run a 3-4…maybe its a hybrid leaning to 4-3, then they move to 3-4 front in 2013 with the full compliment of picks to help them next year.
Another problem was Dennard not being selected, but obviously the Pats are further along with development, and need playmakers…McKenzie simply couldn’t risk the character questions so soon after McClain had the arrest and shooting thing like less than 6 months earlier in Decatur.
only other argument mightve been why not draft Asa Jackson of Cal-Poly, but he appears to be a return type, and the Raiders must like what they have in DVD in year, two (but the U players have declined sharply as they are routinely leaving earlier and not honing their craft in Senior year)
April 30th, 2012 at 4:59 am
After sleeping on the results of this draft, and letting it simmer awhile, I have come away disappointed with this draft. I know Reggie said he was going with BPA and being true to his board, but does he understand value-based-drafting? While they may have been best value’s in Reggie’s eyes, he didn’t steal any picks right from under someone’s nose, as others were able to do with Reggie. There was a lot of value that sifted down to the middle rounds and Reggie didn’t maximize the value of his picks. I’ll be very happy to be proven wrong and these picks pan out, but I feel strongly that a number of available prospects we passed on would have helped us better in the long run and competed immediately with the incumbents to force some of them off the roster. Instead, we have a draft class that looks like it is strictly depth, and the returning starters can breathe a deep breath and thank Reggie for his draft.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:19 am
When you look at what could have been….in rounds 3-4-5
• Alameda Ta’amu NT or Ronnell Lewis LB in the 3rd
• Josh Chapman NT or De’Quan Menzie CB in the 4th
• Josh Kaddu LB (if they don’t trade away their pick) or Jonathan Massaquoi DE or Marv Jones WR (still available at pick 164)
But Reggie picks:
• Tony Bergstrom, guard/tackle
• Miles Burris, LB
• Jack Crawford, DE
I realize hindsight is 20/20, but we could have had this instead:
Ronnell Lewis, Josh Chapman, Kaddu/Mass
Or
Ta’amu, Menzie, Kaddu/Mass
April 30th, 2012 at 5:48 am
884.priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Like Starting a game means something, you are clueless!!
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LMAO!!!
Yup, Priest, how someone plays in a start means nothing.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:51 am
BOTH NT’S HADE HEALTH CONCERNS.I’LL GO WITH MR. MCKENZIE ON PERSONELL DECISIONS..
April 30th, 2012 at 5:54 am
good morning Nation!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 5:57 am
I can agree that Pryor has more upside certainly than Gabbert. Ponder is too injury-prone and Tannenhill too raw in my book as well, so I would give an edge to TP based purely on college production (since none of us has ever seen him throw an NFL pass).
But Locker? This guy played pro baseball in the offseason, than showed up to play QB in college, all the graduating college.
Yet he still was a top 100 pick in baseball and a top 10 pick in football.
Literally the list of people IN THE HISTORY OF BOTH SPORTS, to do so are Bo Jackson, Dave Winfield and John Elway.
One of the best athletes to play QB in the last 25 years. Will he be a good QB, we shall see. But he looked pretty damn good last year in his spot starts.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:59 am
And as far as these guys never winning big games or “anything” in college, what has RG III won?
He was just taken #2 overall, and he won 1 bowl game, an Alamo Bowl about 150 miles from campus against a .500 team.
Got throttled in his other bowl game. Wasn’t bowl eligible his other year.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:03 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!!!
oh boy another Monday !!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Not saying RG III isn’t going to be good, but whether he flops or makes the HOF, will have next to NOTHING to do with how many games his team won in college.
Elway almost had a losing record in college, and never played in a bowl game.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Meanwhile the guy with the most collegiate wins EVER, Kellen Moore, went undrafted.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:18 am
972.Just Fire Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Meanwhile the guy with the most collegiate wins EVER, Kellen Moore, went undrafted.
Didn’t Detroit sign him as an UDFA?
April 30th, 2012 at 6:19 am
POST-971,BUT HE DID LOSE TO CAL ON “THE PLAY”
April 30th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Elway did lose the “Play” game, but they were 5-5 going into that game.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:28 am
I love our drat picks! Everywhere I read anything it’s the same theme for all of them. Smart, student of the game, take pride in their craft, love football etc.
Burris is a guy I was hoping for and hopefully starts at some point this year. Have you guys seen the hands on the wr Criner?? Awesome!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:34 am
I think one of these two foreigners at D-line are going to emerge as the best pick in the draft.
Want to see this Bergstrom guy play a little. To be honest, my brother and I were talking yesterday, and he was a tad concerned that a 25 year old MAN wasn’t necessarily viewed as dominant against 19 year old kids in college.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:35 am
clarification time:
Christo = DT
Crawford = DE
Stupar = ILB
Burris = OLB
Right ??
April 30th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Is there a quick way to scroll or refresh the page on the iPhone
April 30th, 2012 at 6:37 am
I like the way Criner snares the ball out of the air and it vacuums into his mitts in the blink of an eye. He’s good at that.
But he seems slow on tape. I don’t see any YAC ability. Reminds me a little of Derek Hagan. I could see him converted to TE with those great hands and body control. But he doesn’t look like he’ll dent the starting pecking order anytime soon.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:40 am
I think the hope is for Criner to be a Coltson-type slot guy.
I like the idea of a big-slot guy, as opposed to the little jitterbug type. I know Wes Welker has made it fashionable to have a little white dude in the slot, but I like a big frame to box out the typically smallish nickle corner.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:41 am
RRS, seems right with Bergstrom at LG
April 30th, 2012 at 6:42 am
@979.
go over to the windows button to the left of the main middle button above your keypad. Mash that button and toggle to get the menu and go up or down to “refresh”. It’s pretty quick.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:43 am
I don’t think Criner is fast/quick enough to get separation from LB’s in the slot.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Meanwhile the guy with the most collegiate wins EVER, Kellen Moore, went undrafted.
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Moore is another noodle arm QB that will be lucky to hang onto a job in the NFL
April 30th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
Veteran QB Jim Sorgi is scheduled to work out for the #Raiders tomorrow, according to his agent Matt Brei.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Want to see this Bergstrom guy play a little. To be honest, my brother and I were talking yesterday, and he was a tad concerned that a 25 year old MAN wasn’t necessarily viewed as dominant against 19 year old kids in college.
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I think your bro is right about that. He’s not especially fast to be counted on in the ZBS. He does have lateral quickness, but the NFL is a whole nother level of speed.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:55 am
986.YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
Veteran QB Jim Sorgi is scheduled to work out for the #Raiders tomorrow, according to his agent Matt Brei.
Why? I don’t know…is he better than Leinhart?
April 30th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Reggie went and drafted an all-star Christian Basketball team.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am
RRS, seems right with Bergstrom at LG
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thanks, CW!
so Berg has a shot to unseat Carlisle at LG?
wow – I was think he’d just be a depth player this season. Perhaps an eventual replacement for Barnes at RT ..
appreciate the info
April 30th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Jim Sorgi & Matt Leinart = scrubs
I’ll take Pryor for #2 QB
thanks,
RRS
April 30th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Leinart sucks, but he’s who I want still as the #2 until Pryor comes up to speed. Pryor has a lot of study and field reps with the 2nd unit before he can lay claim to QB2 status.
If CP3 goes down and we have to rely on Leinart, the season is over anyway. But Leinart knows the Knapp WCO, and can work with TP and be his wet nurse till he learns the ropes.
Nothing would please me more than TP forcefully taking away Leinart’s QB2 status and even forcing him off the team. But we need a shlub like Leinart for now.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Speed is valuable because CB’s are afraid of it, they don’t want to be the guy running behind the WR on a 40 yard deep throw, so most of them respect it and it gives WR’s more room to work.
But, as long as Criner can run precise routes and set them DB’s up he’ll have a chance to get open, specially with a QB like Palmer who can fire the ball with accuracy.
In Knapp’s offense there will be more timing routes where you are required to be at a certain spot 8 to 15 yards down the field, you don’t need to be that fast to get open on the short-intermediate routes, you just have to be where the QB expects you to be.
Criner has the size, jumping ability and big hands to handle smaller slot CB’s, we just have to see if he’s a precise route runner.
We have enough speedsters who can make the big plays, Criner’s role will be different, that is if he can play.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:02 am
I hate to be a wet towel, but I think this entire draft class has nothing but depth and special teamers, and a high likelihood of drafted players cut in TC. I don’t see this Utah G/T being a starter either.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Obviously.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Speed is valuable not only because CB’s are afraid of it, but it gives the speed WR a bigger cushion to run wide open quick slants and out patterns in space. So it’s a double weapon.
Slow guys will have physical corners up and in their face and playing pattycake at the line. It takes too long for the play to develop.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Deuce,
You out there?
April 30th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Criner looks as though he makes nice cuts and runs routes well tO make up for the lack of speed.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:08 am
That must be why DHB gets sooooooooo much separation.
lol
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guest123 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Speed is valuable not only because CB’s are afraid of it, but it gives the speed WR a bigger cushion to run wide open quick slants and out patterns in space. So it’s a double weapon.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:11 am
guest123 Says:
I hate to be a wet towel, but I think this entire draft class has nothing but depth and special teamers, and a high likelihood of drafted players cut in TC. I don’t see this Utah G/T being a starter either.
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Maybe, but our first pick came at the end of the 3rd round, after every other team had 3 picks (in theory), so it was more like the 1st pick in the 4th if you ask me.
If we end up with 2 solid starters down the road and a couple of back-up, special-teamers, it has to be considered an decent draft, right?.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:11 am
The 3rd rd pick didn’t dominate at OT against 19 year olds, but since he’s playing LG for us it doesn’t matter.
You really don’t think The Reggime’s first draft pick isn’t going to start?
April 30th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Criner looks as though he makes nice cuts and runs routes well tO make up for the lack of speed.
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From the film I saw, I agree w/u.
But it can be spun either way. He definitely has strong hands and knows how to fight for the ball in traffic. But he’s not getting much separation and those college corners are not nearly as physical as NFL corners.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:14 am
You really don’t think The Reggime’s first draft pick isn’t going to start?
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honestly no. Coop is better and it will take time for him to replace him barring injury. The battle at RT is pretty well defined between Barks/Barnes. I don’t think he’s going to be a factor in that battle.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Mista.
DHB gets plenty of cushion, that’s why he does well with the comeback routes, the CB backs off and DHB starts running upfield, as soon as the CB starts backpedaling DHB turns around and is often wide open.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:17 am
If we end up with 2 solid starters down the road and a couple of back-up, special-teamers, it has to be considered an decent draft, right?.
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For a team with an brand new coaching staff and new philosphy on defense, and the draft grade talent we let slip by for project-fliers…..
We have needs and holes in several positions, not the least of which is corner, and we neglected the short term and long term holes for basketball choirboys.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I hate to be a wet towel, but I think this entire draft class has nothing but depth and special teamers
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@G123
Agreed – as rookies anyway. Hopefully they can be coached up and fit well with our system
April 30th, 2012 at 7:19 am
agree with Bob Marley:
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DHB gets plenty of cushion, that’s why he does well with the comeback routes, the CB backs off and DHB starts running upfield, as soon as the CB starts backpedaling DHB turns around and is often wide open.
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As much as I complain about DHB, his speed is a huge weapon that puts him in position to take advantage of smaller corners – if only he could snare the ball with his hands. But he’s not losing his starting gig anytime soon anyway.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:20 am
There are definitely question marks when it comes to Criner, specially the WR friendly offense he played in, how is he gonna do with a feisty NFL CB lined up a yard in front of him?, I’m more concerned about that, his willingness to rough the CB up and gain position than I am about his 40 time, there’s plenty of “slow” WR’s who can play.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:23 am
every team needs depth.
Reggie told us that he was looking for “depth” in this draft along with a starting linebacker, but that was before we inked Wheeler.
Reggie & Dennis feel like we already have the starters in place … can’t say that I disagree with them
April 30th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Wow, G123
Surprised by your takes.
I think the 3rd and 4th rd picks are already slotted for playing time. LG didn’t even have a body there. Coop is old and has not played LG. If he was still any good, why not just leave him at RG and sign a LGmin FA?
4th rd pick will play on STs and in the nickel package.
The Reggime talked about the need for depth. Stayed true to what he’s been saying.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:25 am
@RRS,
That’s rationalistic BS. We were all hoping for an upgrade, let’s be honest. None of us were getting our draft boards ready for a solid depth guy.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
every team needs depth.
Reggie told us that he was looking for “depth” in this draft along with a starting linebacker, but that was before we inked Wheeler.
Reggie & Dennis feel like we already have the starters in place … can’t say that I disagree with them.
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Yeah, there’s a starter projected at every position except TE, where I’m still unsure that anyone will emerge as a complete player, we’ll probably do it y committee.
Some of thhose projected starters don’t sit well with everyone but it’s year 1, can’t solve every issue in a single off-season.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:27 am
G123, thanks for the help but my onscreen keypad only has a “previous”, “next”, “done” buttons.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Repost from earlier. Here’s what I am talking about, and why I’m disappointed.
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When you look at what could have been….in rounds 3-4-5
• Alameda Ta’amu NT or Ronnell Lewis LB in the 3rd
• Josh Chapman NT or De’Quan Menzie CB in the 4th
• Josh Kaddu LB (if they don’t trade away their pick) or Jonathan Massaquoi DE or Marv Jones WR (still available at pick 164)
But Reggie picks:
• Tony Bergstrom, guard/tackle
• Miles Burris, LB
• Jack Crawford, DE
I realize hindsight is 20/20, but we could have had this instead:
Ronnell Lewis, Josh Chapman, Kaddu/Mass
Or
Ta’amu, Menzie, Kaddu/Mass
April 30th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Some of thhose projected starters don’t sit well with everyone but it’s year 1, can’t solve every issue in a single off-season.
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For sure we can’t solve every problem. But a big ugly NT has been on every Raider fan’s wishlist the past decade, and we let 2 good ones slip through our grasp in consecutive rounds. Damn!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Guest123.
Save that post for a couple of years own the road, then we’ll see how it turned out.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:36 am
If we end up with 2 solid starters down the road and a couple of back-up, special-teamers, it has to be considered an decent draft, right?.
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That would be a great draft IMO.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:40 am
R.M. wants prior to have compitition so he is not handed anything so he continues to work! good idea!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Pryor LOL
April 30th, 2012 at 7:40 am
The draft is like Christmas morning. You get all excited about the pick – whoever that is. First reviews accentuate the positive. Everyone comes off like a steal. But then you uncover the videos and look at the H/W/S measurables and conferences they play in and it kind of puts a damper on the enthusiasm.
Still, if we get some solid depth, it won’t be a bad draft. Just not the usual AD type draft with a mixture of steals and busts. More of an even keel, good, not bad, not great draft.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:42 am
So, did we get A grades from all the experts or what?
I should think so, since we drafted three Hall of Famers, and a couple of solid pro bowlers!
Woot!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am
When you look at what could have been….in rounds 3-4-5
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@G123
I agree, I was doing that myself during the draft
However – I’ll just be honest. I haven’t seen any of the guys we drafted play football. Never even heard of them. I know a few semi pros wanted Burris in RD 5 or 6 (Raider O & YA?)
April 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Who is the dumb azz that said the Turd nuggets were going to take out the lakers, lol….. 10 blocks bynum is a beast can’t wait for okc.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am
1011. I was iwas.. Thats why I didnt even bother with a prediction.. Bpa all the way. I said for weeks we most likely wont find a starter at 95.. Although I have high hopes for bergs. Backups & depth… I must have wrote that 50 times last month…
April 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Still mad at Jordan Hill trade, Dakota?
April 30th, 2012 at 7:45 am
For sure we can’t solve every problem. But a big ugly NT has been on every Raider fan’s wishlist the past decade, and we let 2 good ones slip through our grasp in consecutive rounds. Damn!
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@G123
i’m trying to let me wounds heal, do you have to rub them with sandpaper ??
My positive spin is this, we needed help on defense and 4 of 6 picks went towards that – whether we got the right guys or not wont be determined for 2 or 3 years imo
April 30th, 2012 at 7:47 am
1023.DEATHROW 55 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Who is the dumb azz that said the Turd nuggets were going to take out the lakers, lol….. 10 blocks bynum is a beast can’t wait for okc.
Did someone really say that? I heard about getting swept by OKC…but Bynum and Gasol was beasting yesterday!!!
However, wtf was Rondo thinking yesterday…unintentional my a**!!!
And with Rose going down…now I believe that the Heat will take the East…but who cares? LOL
April 30th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Im hearing good things about criner. If he was healthier he would have gone higher.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:52 am
I don’t have much beef with the Burris pick. He looks like a player. Let’s see if he can cover anyone. Still don’t see him challenging Wheeler anytime soon. I like his demeanor though.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Why would draft a nt? We play 4-3 and we had 5 dts before the draft..
April 30th, 2012 at 7:53 am
1025.J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Still mad at Jordan Hill trade, Dakota?
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Who?
April 30th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Im hearing good things about criner. If he was healthier he would have gone higher.
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A few picks prior to Criner went Marvin Jones. That’s a huge dropoff at WR for so few slots.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Boy the clippers almost blew it.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Hill was another great pickup.. I hated playing murphy & mcjump
April 30th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Bergstrom is going to be our swing lineman. He will be the guy that comes in if either of our guards get hurt. Our swing tackle is probably not on the roster, because I dont see us throwing Barksdale at LT if Veldheer gets hurt.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Gotta give mad props to my man Jhill. I’ve been debating with him for YEARS that the run defense problems stemmed from the poorous DT & MLB play. Every year this problem seems to be overlooked in the offseason. Looks like Seymour, Kelly & McClain are gonna get a shot to redeem themselves under different coaches in a new system.
in the draft we took 2 DE’s and 2 OLB’s (size wise)
fat slob John Henderson is out and we’re not going to have a 300+ player replace him. starting to wonder what this “multiple” defense is going to look like.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 am
LOL,
I’ll take that as an admission that you and your Buss Jr propaganda are wrong AGAIN.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:59 am
I looked at our picks measurables and production, and they stack up nice..
April 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am
A few picks prior to Criner went Marvin Jones. That’s a huge dropoff at WR for so few slots.
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Really? From everything I have read Criner was a very solid snag. The 1 knock on him is his 4.65 speed, which isn’t even that big a deal. The guy is a very good route runner and has nice hands. I bet he unseats Murphy as our 4th wr by the end of camp.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I dont see us throwing Barksdale at LT if Veldheer gets hurt
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Me neither, Bcz. Barnes has starting experience at LT though
If Veldy gets jacked up, I think they have to play Barnes at LT & Barks at RT
April 30th, 2012 at 8:01 am
If Veldy gets jacked up, I think they have to play Barnes at LT & Barks at RT
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That doesn’t make me feel all warm and fuzzy either. I think there is still at least one more lineman to be added.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:03 am
1037.J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 am
LOL,
I’ll take that as an admission that you and your Buss Jr propaganda are wrong AGAIN.
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We’ll see what you have to say when the cost cutting continues this offseason…..he has already conditioned you to accept it.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:04 am
From everything I have read Criner was a very solid snag. The 1 knock on him is his 4.65 speed, which isn’t even that big a deal. The guy is a very good route runner and has nice hands. I bet he unseats Murphy as our 4th wr by the end of camp.
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That’s not saying much. Murphy is another guy that was slow to recover from injury. I’d like to think it’s all mental – like what happened to JLH. But I think his days are done regardless. If we brought in TO, you could drive the nail into his coffin.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:05 am
on defense we will rush 4 d lineman, and a blitzer or 2 sometimes behind that we’re gonna play zone, team tackling anything past the los.. We played too much man behind our attacking line last yr.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Wisconsin safety Aaron Henry
Fort Valley State punter Marquette King
Beloit wide receiver Derek Carrier
Pittsburgh defensive end Brandon Lindsey
Pittsburgh defensive lineman Lucas Nix
Missouri defensive lineman Dominique Hamilton
Southern California wide receiver Brandon Carswell
East Carolina wide receiver Lance Lewis
Utah cornerback Conroy Black
Penn State cornerback Chaz Powell
California (Pa.) wide receiver Thomas Mayo
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Have any of these UDFA’s been confirmed yet??
or have we signed anybody else ?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:07 am
I know that we were hurting for cap space, but that contract that KC signed Winston in free agency (~$6M/yr), we should have gone after him. The right side of the line would be fixed, and we’d have that swing tackle that we are missing now.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:08 am
I heard both Mayo and Carswell bolted for Pittsburgh. But that’s not confirmed, just rumor.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I’m already on board with the cost cutting.
GaSTUD to Charlotte for their #1 pick, and add KG for the mid level.
That’ll save us 10 million, lol.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:12 am
1042. The made the new cba specificly to hurt the lakers , buss & kup find a way to get younger, faster, & under the cap & your complaining?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am
1048.J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I’m already on board with the cost cutting.
GaSTUD to Charlotte for their #1 pick, and add KG for the mid level.
That’ll save us 10 million, lol.
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lol…..turn in your Lakers’ card!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Isn’t there an excellent website dedicated specifically to undrafted free agent signings??
checked it on the regular the past 3 offseasons. can’t remember what it was though or if they kept it going
April 30th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Does any body know if that punter we signed is as good as the punter that was drafted in the 3rd rnd by jags?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:17 am
1049.Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:12 am
1042. The made the new cba specificly to hurt the lakers , buss & kup find a way to get younger, faster, & under the cap & your complaining?
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Lol, we are nowhere near under the cap…and the younger, faster guys are fine….until you watch them walk out the door this offseason and wonder what we really got for 2 first round picks other than more $$ in Jim Buss’ pocket.
You can’t cry poor when you have a $200 million dollar a year TV deal kicking in….sorry, only you chumps can buy that story.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Perhaps Allen And Big Mac saw enough in Travis Ivey @ the mini-mini camp that it mitigated the need to chase a NT in the draft…
It is gonna be a battle royal in training camp as Allen puts a blank piece of paper on the wall and says “this is the starting D-line. You want it? You earn it.”
April 30th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Morning nation
April 30th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Perhaps Allen And Big Mac saw enough in Travis Ivey @ the mini-mini camp that it mitigated the need to chase a NT in the draft…
It is gonna be a battle royal in training camp as Allen puts a blank piece of paper on the wall and says “this is the starting D-line. You want it? You earn it.”
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@Lowdown, it’s entirely possible!
If not, I’m hoping we can snag both former Saints DT’s from last season … Aubrayo Franklin & Shaun Rogers
April 30th, 2012 at 8:23 am
1029.guest123 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:52 am
I don’t have much beef with the Burris pick. He looks like a player. Let’s see if he can cover anyone. Still don’t see him challenging Wheeler anytime soon. I like his demeanor though.
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I realize highlight reels like Buriss’s being bandied about can be deceiving cuz it’s only showing the good stuff, but if it’s any indication as to what we’re getting, he’s a STUD.
I vote that he be given every opportunity to show if he is better than Wheeler and if so…we go with the guy who will best help this team win; regardless of experience, contract, whatever.
If Burris needs to sit and learn for awhile then so be it.
Any video out there of Burris showing the good with the bad?
I’d like to see that.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:23 am
1. Cp3
2. J.barks
3. T.J
4. TP
5. Bergs
6. Burris
7. Criner
Thats a solid draft. Id take TP over any player taken in the 3rd rd this yr.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I have to hold out hope that the coaching staff can make a difference with bums like Curry, McClain, Kelly and Branch when it comes to stopping the run.
If they continue to play like have in the past I am sure McKenzie will cut bait and work on fixing the problem next year when we have some cap space and some draft picks.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Rogers already signed with a team
April 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I vote that he be given every opportunity to show if he is better than Wheeler and if so…we go with the guy who will best help this team win; regardless of experience, contract, whatever.
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Better than Wheeler? I think he will be more likely to beat out Curry or McClain.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:27 am
AlzadoX Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Chris in NY Says:
April 28th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Bilukidi actually looks really good, IMO. The athleticism of this big man pops out at you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY
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interesting video.
first time I saw a standup nose tackle since late 1970s college football
calling this kid raw is an understatement, but he’s athletic. Mobile, agile, changes directions, body control is really nice for a big guy. Can see how he could play basketball before growing into a football player.
I was wondering how they were playing division II football on astroturf in a nice stadium till I found out they play in the Georgia Dome. They are a new college and/or new football program that is trying to move up to division I
liked the Angolan music too but wish they played more instead of looping a segment
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He also was elected one of GSU’s permanent team captains for the 2011 season … Rated one of the top 15 prospects for the 2012 CFL Canadian Draft!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
1056. Stop it. We are a 4 man front.. We dont need a nt.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Mike Mitchell looked good on youtube too…..
April 30th, 2012 at 8:31 am
1054
Exactly!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:33 am
1063.Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
1056. Stop it. We are a 4 man front.. We dont need a nt.
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Call it whatever you want, NT or NG, we need a big ugly to occupy a G and C on running plays opposite a three tech DT who is mainly concerned with killing the QB. When both DTs can be handled with one blocker it opens the door for the guard to take out a LBer.
There is a reason that we have not hade a good run D in Oakland since the days of Sam Adams.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Nathan Stupar’s Uncles Ron, Doug and Jeff Hostetler all played football for the Nittany Lions in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Jeff, who finished his college career at West Virginia, was a quarterback in the NFL with the New York Giants, Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders and Washington Redskins.
Nice to know he has pedigree…
April 30th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Dakota Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Mike Mitchell looked good on youtube too…..
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He looked like the next Ed Reed!!!
Lol…
April 30th, 2012 at 8:39 am
1066. Big doesnt alwayes =effective. We wont give up as many big plays in a soft zone.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:39 am
There is a pic of Corey Ivey in one of the recent camp photos…massive.
The rest of the D line look like DBs standing next to him.
From what I heard, he will be wearing nos. 90 & 91..at the same time.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:40 am
I think the hope is for Criner to be a Coltson-type slot guy.
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Great point. I see Criner as being a much healthier, dependable and talented than Chaz Schilens ever could be. This is what I like about RM’s draft and what the Raiders picked up. Criner is ready to go. CP can back shoulder fade with this dude all day long.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:42 am
What can you see in a meet & greet mini camp? That he’s in shape?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:43 am
A few picks prior to Criner went Marvin Jones. That’s a huge dropoff at WR for so few slots.
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Criner was ranked higher than Jones on some boards.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:43 am
You stop the run guys are just cliche after cliche.
Do you realize how many big runs we gave up out of our so called big nickel?
The big ugly you are asking for would be on the sidelines in a nickel defense, mayne!
Why don’t you guys complain about us not getting off the field on 3rd down?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am
I thought the donks had a bad draft.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:46 am
#1068: Dakota says: “Mike Mitchell looked good on youtube too…”
Funny, but I was thinking the exact same thing when everyone was creaming themselves over Burris’ senior year highlight video.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Criner = BPA
Burris = another 4th round steal.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I realy like criners hands
April 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am
You stop the run guys are just cliche after cliche.
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speaking of cliche’s, how many times does DA have to use the “at the end of the day” cliche???!?!? Go read his transcript of every player intro and make it a drinking game, you’ll be drunk by the second interview.
At the end of the day —> pregnant pause or “er-um” would be better
April 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am
948.alzadoX Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:32 am
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
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can’t determine who will make 53 man roster yet. Preseason is not nearly as useless as some make it out to be.
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Not at all. Everything we saw in preseason last yr….translated to what we saw in the reg season.
The lack of depth was on full display. Our “scrubs” couldn’t stop jack squat on defense and alot of those guys ended up playing due to injury etc.
Kick coverage was horrible in preseason and it cost us dearly in reg season in games against Denver and SD to mention just a couple.
In preseason there was no evidence we could stop the run either and penalties were still there..(the lockout didn’t help but still…)
Preseason will be very interesting imo. and well worth watching.
All of us will be looking for signs that things have changed. Who cares about what the scores will be.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am
5+ YPC for the last 7-8 years, and you don’t see a problem?!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Both Criner and Burris could be really good…I just don’t think a Youtube highlight reel tells the story.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:51 am
1070.Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:39 am
There is a pic of Corey Ivey in one of the recent camp photos…massive.
The rest of the D line look like DBs standing next to him.
From what I heard, he will be wearing nos. 90 & 91..at the same time.
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Isn’t it TRAVIS Ivey?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Canuck,
Forget that YouTube crap. Look at his hands (10.5″), look at his college production, read his scoutung reports, and then look at tape. The guy is a beast.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:52 am
I think we might be surprised in how the Raiders use Christo Bilukidi. I don’t see him as a down lineman as much as I see his speed utilized as OLB in 3rd down situations – especially in 3rd and 7, etc. He has the speed to drop into coverage and the strength to take on blockers and fill a lane. Sleeper pick.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:52 am
True DJ…What we saw last pre-season came to pass during the regular season…I think our defense will be much improved this year just due to better coaching and schemes.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Some scouts think Burris will be an all pro in a few years.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:54 am
1082.CanuckRaider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Both Criner and Burris could be really good…I just don’t think a Youtube highlight reel tells the story.
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The write-ups on these guys is pretty good as well though.
I’d really like to see some video showing good with the bad on these guys.
I’ll check to see if I can dig anything up on the SD St. Michigan game…or the one against Boise.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Travis Ivey?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:54 am
#1084: You’re preaching to the choir on this one Raider O…I love Criner’s size, hands and college production…He can fill a big need for that big red zone target.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Travis Ivey 6′4″ 325. Kind of tall for a NT?
April 30th, 2012 at 8:56 am
#1088: Good idea DJ…If you find something post the link if possible…I’d be interested to see that.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Christo Bilukidi could quite possibly be seen as the steal of this draft in a few years. I trust DA & RM will bring him along at a pace where he can absorb the scheme to match his skill set.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Testing!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Morning/afternoon peoples.
I give Reggie a B+ in his draft. The only reason he didn’t get an A was because he didn’t draft a NT. Burris looks like a quicker Mathews and will be a beast. Christo might this years sleeper out of the draft.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:11 am
5+ YPC for the last 7-8 years, and you don’t see a problem?!
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O,
STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME!!
9 years is a long time to wait, man.
Apparently – Reggie, Dennis & Jhill are on the same page though.
I wonder if JFB is pissed we didn’t draft any D-Backs when he called our secondary the worst in the league. A collective “turd sandwich” or something like that
April 30th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Production picks.. New era..
April 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I give Reggie a B+ in his draft. The only reason he didn’t get an A was because he didn’t draft a NT.
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@DMAC
I give Reggie a C-
still a passing grade
April 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I don’t want to compare Burris to Mathews, but I think we got a great player. Another 4th round steal like Branch, Bush, and Ford.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Raider LB’ing was hit or miss most of the last few years…this draft sought to change that. RoMac step your game up, both on and off the field because the job you may save could be your own!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
YA you don’t know your ass from ahole in the ground I watched both players throughout their careers Locker is a one of the worse mistakes an org could possibly make. Never won NOTHING NOTHING……Pryor took his team to three straight BCS Bowl games winning MVP twice!! He wins games all Locker is, is white………period
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Yep, so he should be good, right?
April 30th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Buccaneers announce 14 undrafted rookie deals
Posted by Evan Silva
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Monday announced that they have finalized contract agreements with 14 undrafted rookies. The players signed are as follows:
Louisiana-Monroe receiver Luther Ambrose, LSU linebacker Ryan Baker, Cincinnati quarterback Zach Collaros, South Florida center Chaz Hine, Texas fullback Cody Johnson, Iowa State cornerback Leonard Johnson, Tennessee State defensive tackle Donte’e Nicholls, Boise State receiver Tyler Shoemaker, Ole Miss tackle Bradley Sowell, Arkansas safety Tramain Thomas, West Virginia tight end Tyler Urban, Toledo guard Mike VanDerMeulen, South Florida cornerback Quenton Washington, and Rutgers guard/tackle Desmond Wynn.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:16 am
O Dog
I think you should of been promoting Burris a bit more, since he did play for SD State. Kid is going to be good.
O Dog’s draft analysis = D
lol
April 30th, 2012 at 9:17 am
RR,
I understand that teams are passing more in today’s game, but you still need to stop the run. You can’t be one dimensional in the NFL. We were great at stoping the pass a few years back, we couldn’t stop the run, and how many games did we win? 5!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I give Reggie a B+ in his draft. The only reason he didn’t get an A was because he didn’t draft a NT.
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@DMAC
I give Reggie a C-
still a passing grade
++++++++++++++++++
Solid “B” all day! It could be that they didn’t draft a NT because they are looking at running a hybrid 3-4/4-3.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I give Reggie a B+ in his draft. The only reason he didn’t get an A was because he didn’t draft a NT.
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@DMAC
I give Reggie a C-
still a passing grade
++++++++++++++++++
Solid “B” all day! It could be that they didn’t draft a NT because they are looking at running a hybrid 3-4/4-3.
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We shall see. The D is an instant upgrade w/out Al calling the plays on D.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am
DMAC (my brother from another mother)
I had the guy in my mock draft, so what more do you want?
I should start charging you people for my analysis and mock drafts.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I give Reggie a C-
still a passing grade
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I give Reggie a solid D,
still a passing grade
April 30th, 2012 at 9:23 am
STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME!!
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Co-sign!
And wiffed on two big uglies that dropped on our lap!
#@$&(*@#$!!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I understand that teams are passing more in today’s game, but you still need to stop the run. You can’t be one dimensional in the NFL. We were great at stoping the pass a few years back, we couldn’t stop the run, and how many games did we win? 5!
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O,
couldn’t agree more. we are on the same page here
April 30th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Where did Chapman go?
April 30th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Grading the NFL Draft – Four Years Later
http://thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/grading-nfl-draft-four-years-later
April 30th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I say a “D+”….the + is for Burris and the “D” could be improved by the end of the semester!!
I’ll give it to their Sophomore-Junior year to give a final grade!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:26 am
1111.hwnrdr Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Where did Chapman go?
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Indy took him
April 30th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Raider O Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am
DMAC (my brother from another mother)
I had the guy in my mock draft, so what more do you want?
I should start charging you people for my analysis and mock drafts.
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OK
I give you a D+ then
LMAO
April 30th, 2012 at 9:29 am
SharkCatcher: Kevin Zeitler (Wisconsin)
1960RAIDER: Doug Martin (Boise State)
Dhidee99: Nick Perry (USC)
THE BLACKHOLE: Whitney Mercilus (Illinois)
Raider Dell: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
ToneMcFresh: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
MikieG: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
J-Raider: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
Violent Hands: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
Que: Bruce Irvin (West Virginia)
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1st rounders who semi pro’s thought might drop to pick #95
April 30th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Area Man: Coby Fleener (Stanford)
Bcz24: Derek Wolfe (Cincy)
R8derdiehard: Janoris Jenkins (Florida)
severeraiderz: Janoris Jenkins (Florida)
RAIDER WEAPON X: Amini Silatolu (Mid Western State)
RaiderRetribution: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
MartiniRaider: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
DJ Johnny: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Ghost87: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
71raider: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Kpark829: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
The Big Banana: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Hardline: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
No Mas Diamante: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Elraidmanhattan: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Gdog: Mychal Kendricks (Cal)
Raiderman99: Isaiah Pead (Cincinnati)
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Top 50 picks who semi pro’s thought might drop to pick #95
April 30th, 2012 at 9:30 am
I was very upset that Ta’amu fell to us, but we didn’t take him. In my mind he would have been more immediately impactful than any of our picks.
I like the “vision” that Reg brought to this draft, but of course as a fan it was hard to watch 6 picks and say “Who?” after all 6… lol. I guess I was just so bummed that Alameda fell to us and we didn’t take him, so that negatively influenced my opinion of the draft.
I am also VERY saddened that Chris Polk went to the iggles as a UDFA. I would have loved to bring that guy in, I think he will have an awesome career, and would have been a nice compliment to DMAC.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Yeah I was mad that Dungver took my guy in Wolfe, but I liked that they reached for him.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:33 am
I don’t see that the Raiders biggest concern was DL as much as it was the LB’ing corps. No need for the ‘big uglies’as much as there was a need to stop 3rd down conversions on 3rd and 6-8 situations.
3rd and mid-range was the Raiders Achilles Heel all year long.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Can u hear me now?
testing
testing
April 30th, 2012 at 9:57 am
LOL DMAC.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Overall, I think we had a solid draft. B- to C+ Range. Don’t think we’re going to see the late round steal like we had in the past two with Moore or Ford, but I could see Burris making an impact.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:58 am
OK looks like we’re finally back
April 30th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Nevermind that
April 30th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Testing…
April 30th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Our steal of the draft could be undrafted.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Cork take a few days off?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:08 am
where’s that dude MISTIC who used to come on here telling all of us we’re fakers because we doubted JC? My hunch says he is using a new alias on here. I’m guessing he is “al is the raiders” dude.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Cristo is the steal of draft imo.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Christo is so athletic for his size it scary. Dude lined up everywhere in college. DA and company have something stored for this kid.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Watched Burris highlight today. He seems like a high motor dude and seems to have a good feel for where the ball is going. Looks pretty fast as well.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Players drafted #51-94 that Reggie didn’t have a shot at:
DT42: Brock Osweiler (Arizona State)
Raider Till I Die: Lavonte David (Nebraska)
RaiderDebo: LaMichael James (Oregon)
Just Fire Baby: Casey Heyward (Vanderbilt)
Elstrano5: Casey Heyward (Vanderbilt)
JLofty: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
LA to TheBay: Josh Robinson (USF)
Qodrn1: Josh Robinson (USF)
Mark Clemens: Josh Robinson (USF)
Plunketthead: Josh Robinson (USF)
RaidO: Josh Robinson (USF)
Potato Head: Olivier Vernon (Miami)
Wabash Cannonball: Olivier Vernon (Miami)
RaiderFanMikeP: Donald Stephenson (Oklahoma)
Guest123: Demario Davis (Arkansas State)
DarthPhillyraider215: Demario Davis (Arkansas State)
Raiderjhawk: Demario Davis (Arkansas State)
Poprox13: Demario Davis (Arkansas State)
Neilb: Demario Davis (Arkansas State)
Mel Kiper Jr: Michael Egnew (Missouri)
Seymour Bush: Michael Egnew (Missouri)
Ghost to the Post: Jamell Fleming (Oklahoma)
I90 Raider: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
Big Foot is a size 11: Tyrone Crawford (Boise St)
Bo Schembechler Jackson: Mike Martin (Michigan)
SilverAndBlackBleeder: Mike Martin (Michigan)
Raidernationdave: Mike Martin (Michigan)
RaiderFanFromJersey: Mike Martin (Michigan)
Anallpro24: Mike Martin (Michigan)
Beach: Mike Martin (Michigan)
La Milicia Negra: Mike Martin (Michigan)
Dougie Doug: Mike Martin (Michigan)
JB: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Raiderzmaverick: Sean Spence (Miami U)
DennisAllensVisor: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Raiderjambo: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Cranberry: Sean Spence (Miami U)
SR Raider: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Da Trinity: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Huose Fly: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Zymurge: Sean Spence (Miami U)
NavyRaider: Sean Spence (Miami U)
504 Raider: Sean Spence (Miami U)
CanuckRaider: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Toolnutz: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Cranium Rash: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Ordinary Joe: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Bad News Dude: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Raider O: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Leaky Pete: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Arkraider: Sean Spence (Miami U)
The Colonel Loves Chicken: Sean Spence (Miami U)
Downsouthraider: Brandon Thompson (Clemson)
SouthTexasRaider: Brandon Thompson (Clemson)
April 30th, 2012 at 10:17 am
So everyone struck out in the draft?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Ok, back…thought I got banned for a minute…
April 30th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Alameda to Pitts sux.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:18 am
hwnrdr Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Ok, back…thought I got banned for a minute…
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me 2
I was like…….
What did I do?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:18 am
what bothers me is every team in the west got faster bogger abd stronger, except for oakland
April 30th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I was banned too.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I give McK solid points for picking positions of need and for depth purposes. I’m was happy he didn’t draft any DB’s or CB’s and finally stayed within the trenches, picked two LB’s and a big body possession type of WR who has good hands and can run routes.
However, I wish he would taken Taamu or R Lewis with that first pick ahead of the OLine guy. But we do need depth on OLine, especially for the ZBS scheme being brought back.
I think the key on whether or not this draft will be successful, will be if the two DLinmen, Crawford and Bilukidi pan out.
I’m not really worried about Bergstrom, Burris, Criner or Stupar. I think those guys are football players and will contribute in some way shape or form.
Crawford and Bilukidi are the developmental guys, that are maybe considered the boom or bust type.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:20 am
WR need to get Bogger!! That’s for sure!
April 30th, 2012 at 10:21 am
I noticed that too…the rest of the West got bigger…not sure what bogger is though…lol
April 30th, 2012 at 10:27 am
We got 3 starters (Utah G, Burris, and Criner) IMO and some guys with potential to develop. That sounds good for a normal draft, and we did it without a 1st or 2nd round picks.
I give Reggie a B-.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Already starting, huh? lmao
April 30th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Reggie picked Tony Bergstrom at #95 over these guys in Round 4:
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Sacraiderfan: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
408RAIDER: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Suprafresh: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
The Oracle: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
PercEpTivE: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Mcfadden20.: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Raider J: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Just Win Baby: Robert Turbin (Utah State)
ELWAYs TEETH: Robert Turbin (Utah State)
Kvnbntly: Robert Turbin (Utah State)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
No Lo: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Wasbanned: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
ArmChair GM: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Plumbers Crack: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
valleyflyin: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
909RaiderLifer: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raiderlization: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Papertiger418: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raidertbone: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
R8dercain: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Yo Raiders: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
BigZ@CSM: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Horrordude0215: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
1960AutumnWind: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raidertalk: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Lowdown_in_Beijing: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Inonewordraider: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Jesusraiderjim: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
RaiderSam: Kyle Wilber (Wake Forest)
Marley Bob: Orson Charles (Georgia)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
Sweep The Leg: James Johnson (Nevada)
Tjbwall: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
765Raiders: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
Raiderboi18: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
April 30th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Future starters. I don’t think we should give these kids anything, they have to earn it, but I think 3 of them will be future starters.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I wouldn’t speculate that any of them will even make it through pre season until I see them take a snap with pads on.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Ok, what’s going on with this site???
April 30th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reggie picked Miles Burris at #129 over these guys in Round 5:
Twocents: Greg Childs (Arkansas)
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
John David Booty: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Raiderfankirk: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Big Mama Has It Goin On: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
DonManoukiansNeighbor: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
LakeNormanRaider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderLen: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Goldie7: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
El Tato: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Xraided: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
303Raider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
FreddieB: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Hendu: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Rellik30: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
505raiders: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Breaking_Black: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Car Wash Dude: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Realtruraider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Raiderfusion: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaidaRay: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderintheRockies: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
raiderimmortal: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Raider2DaHeart: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guy: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
DEATHROW 55: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
ENGLANDRAIDER: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Duct Tape: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HitManMorris: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CarolinaRaider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Mcthompso: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Jabels1488: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Imaquaman: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Wolferaider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Dr Ice 2012: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Try Some Reality: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
860Todd Christensen: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
VanHeathen: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Dan78: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RIPAL: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Greg: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Aig-Raiders: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
8RaiderReign8: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
DutchRaider77: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
BewareofRaiders: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8drinOK: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
YoungAmerican: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Paul Gutierrez: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Chuck: Malik Jackson (Tennessee)
Five Gallon Oil Can: Malik Jackson (Tennessee)
Scott Wright @ DraftCountdown.com: Taylor Thompson (SMU)
Lefty12: Tank Carder (TCU)
PurpleDrank81: Tank Carder (TCU)
ArtilleryShell: Senio Kelemete (Washington)
Gomer: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Smokin Catfish: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
RaidersNextGM: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Antispy3: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Bunk Moorland: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Raiderbuck: Shaun Prater (Iowa)
April 30th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Who’s cool w/ bringing in Leinart as a potential #2 or competition for TP?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Wheeler has a one yr contract, got the vets min, and Curry didnt play well enough to guarantee him a starting position. Burris plays the run well, and he can rush the passer. Aztecs play 3-3-5.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Reggie picked Jack Crawford at #158 over these guys in Round 5:
Master Beeecham: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
Peaceacake: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
Devilr8er: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
DKnight007: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
NoLuv4Hoes: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
Raidah Flavah: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
The Realist Dirty Raccoon: Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy)
PrideNDpoise: Darius Fleming (Notre Dame)
April 30th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Hopefully TP will develop, and Leinart can ride the bench at #3
April 30th, 2012 at 10:45 am
I know Burris can start. I was right about Kirk, Chaz, and I’m going to be right again about Burris. The kid can play in the NFL.
Criner ran a slow 40 and has some off the field issues, but the kid can play.
I think the Rookie OL will compete with Cooper and Barnes.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Reggie picked Juron Criner at #168 and Christo Bilukidi at #189 over these guys in the top 230 picks:
Mikep562: Markelle Martin (OSU)
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder: Billy Winn (Boise State)
Alex7: Kheeston Randall (Texas)
Bank-Bank: Kheeston Randall (Texas)
CDERaider: Kheeston Randall (Texas)
Purvisman: Trevor Guyton (California)
MEX_GHOST: Travis Lewis (Oklahoma)
Raider94073: Alfonzo Dennard (Nebraska)
Oldschoolraider: David Molk (Michigan)
April 30th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Good Job Reggie. Not bad for your 1st draft as GM without a 1st and 2nd round picks.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Reggie picked Nathan Stupar at #230 over these guys in Round 7 or undrafted:
SilverNBlackPA: Cam Johnson (Virginia)
C2E: Manny Abreu (Rutgers)
Marks Hair: Logan Harrell (Fresno State)
Raider Guy: Adrien Cole (Louisiana Tech)
Jon Becker: Cliff Harris (Oregon)
Araiderso: Vontaze Burfict (Arizona State)
Buckeyeraider: Vontaze Burfict (Arizona State)
Chris in NY: Vontaze Burfict (Arizona State)
Steve Corkran: Vontaze Burfict (Arizona State)
Heartthrob Bob and the Juneberry Performers: Vaughn Meatoga (Hawaii)
GG: Michael Brewster (Ohio State)
Hellsbells: Michael Brewster (Ohio State)
J R Myers: Michael Brewster (Ohio State)
Raiders for life: Michael Brewster (Ohio State)
Jhill: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
Blackmamba_20: Sammy Brown (Houston U)
April 30th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Good job RR. You should that every season.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Stinky Feet: Jack Crawford (Penn State)
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the only guy who picked a player at #95 that ended up a Raider and Reggie got him with pick # 158 instead. that in his opinion should be considered VALUE!!
Congrats to Stinky Feet (whoever you are) !!!
April 30th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Interesting that some of us were gunning for Brewster in Round 3, and he wasn’t even drafted.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:53 am
RRS, I did not like the Crawford pick at all. However, Massaquoi is not impressing either. I think Cristo will be better than both Massaquoi and Crawford. Crawford did seem like he is quite disciplined to seal his corner.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I never thought Posey will get drafted before Brewster.
Steelers had a good draft. The G from Stan, Adams from The OSU, Spence, and Ta’amu.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@G123
crazy to think about … the Raiders may have been able to get this in the draft
Alameda Ta’amu (Washington) at #95
Josh Chapman (Alabama) at #129
Jonathan Massaquoi (Troy) at #158
Markelle Martin (OSU) at #168
Alfonzo Dennard (Nebraska) at #189
Cam Johnson (Virginia) at #230
defense fixed !!
then get Michael Brewster (Ohio State) & Sammy Brown (Houston U) undrafted !!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:00 am
WAKE UP JER!!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Yeah I know its still early, but I’m just trying to spark up a little conversation.
Which one of our drafted rookies will see the field most this up coming season?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Mr. Condo, there’s the door!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@RRS
I’d have taken Ta’amu, Kaddu, Massaquoi, Marv Jones & Cam Johnson with no trades and called it a day.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Congrats to Stinky Feet (whoever you are) !!!
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Lol!
Btw, I agree with O, good job with that list.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Watched some tape and my thinking is that this Christo Bilukidi is going to be a nasty player for us. Reminds me of the old raiders players in the 70’s that overpowered the other team offense.
Same for Burris, this guy has heart and motor, alas Romanowski and Urlacher…
I also like some of Regies FA undrafted guys, like Lucas Nix, and the Wisconsin safety, all players.
We might be seeing the makings of a tough mother defense for our raiders….
April 30th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Gotta love a backer who loves stickin his facemask in there da way Burris does on his film
But don’t have much film on him dropping back in coverage…
but didn’t see Dennis Allen putting Von Miller in much coverage in the his scheme in Denver…
ps
I’m not sayin Burris is Von Miller maybe a poor man version…
But I am instrested to see what he does as a RAIIIII DUHHH
One Nation
Unda God
April 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Of all the picks, I think Bergstrom has the best chance to start simply because he is tabbed as the prototypical ZBS lineman and he is not really buried in the depth department. Criner, on the other hand has quite a few guys to work his way up over and if he was that good I think he would have been selected sooner. I hope all these guys are studs, but I wouldn’t expect it to be the case right away.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I wld love 2 see Christo in dat stand up nose from time to time in Allen’s and Tarver Dee on passing situations…
Cld confuse da protection of the o-line
April 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Did anyone roll the dice on Burfict?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I’ll go with Bilukidi for most playing time just because he’s from my home town!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Mr. Condo, there’s the door!
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Jon Condo’s a good long snapper. Can’t understand WHAT you have against the guy.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Christo and Burris are nasty pass rushers. Interesting to see how Burris plays the pass. Maybe he’ll just be used to rush the passer.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:16 am
I hope Reggie finds another RB in the undrafted free agent list… I just dont trust McFadden for a whole season… Why didnt Reggie draft a RB…
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1173.DMAC Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Did anyone roll the dice on Burfict?
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Bengals got him…
April 30th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Here is the youtube of Luke Kuechly LB Boston U 9th overall to Panthers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUcrQcHP6qs
you compare that to Miles Burris and you tell me who’s got a more exciting hilite tape. They were both rated first team all conference.
Luke played in a big division while Miles played in a weaker division.
Luke ran 4.58 40 vs Miles 4.68
Luke 20 yd shuttle 4.12 vs Miles 4.20
Luke 3 cone drill 6.92 vs Miles 6.81
I’ll take Miles.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Bengals got Burfict? Really?
LOL!!
how fitting ..
April 30th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Jaguars got Ohio State center Mike Brewster
April 30th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
In addition to the Palmer trade, the Raiders also sent a pick in next year’s draft to Seattle in exchange for Aaron Curry, with that pick going in either the fourth or fifth round, depending on Curry’s playing time. For Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie, one of the first orders of business was making clear that there was going to be no more trading away of future draft picks. But he’ll have to wait another year before he can start to build up a draft pick surplus like the other team in the Bay Area. -PFT
April 30th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Kellen Moore went undrafted.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Mary Paoletti of CSNNewEngland.com is reporting that the Patriots will re-sign veteran defensive tackle Gerard Warren.
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sorry Jhill!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
1178.aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Here is the youtube of Luke Kuechly LB Boston U 9th overall to Panthers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUcrQcHP6qs
you compare that to Miles Burris and you tell me who’s got a more exciting hilite tape. They were both rated first team all conference.
Luke played in a big division while Miles played in a weaker division.
Luke ran 4.58 40 vs Miles 4.68
Luke 20 yd shuttle 4.12 vs Miles 4.20
Luke 3 cone drill 6.92 vs Miles 6.81
I’ll take Miles.
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670 am in Chicago was talking up Keuchley(sp.) as if he were the second coming. “His range is incredible”. “He can do so many different things”. “Best linebacker prospect coming out in years”. etc. etc. etc.
Alot of guys here are dissing him. Why? They think the Burris contingent here is overreacting with excitement.
Well, sue me. I’m excited.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Panthers get OT Matt Reynolds (Brigham Young)
April 30th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Jaguars got Ohio State center Mike Brewster
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was hoping Reggie would get this guy .
April 30th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
me too, Mike
no competition for Wiz II at center..
April 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Wiz is a beast. He needs no competition, but he does need a back-up.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Why was there so much talk about this Burfict dude if he went in the 7th round? Was he a Bruce Campbell or V. Ghouls ton?
April 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I have a feeling Reggie is going to sign some players when we get to roster cutdowns … both times, then sign some dudes off other team’s practice squads
there will be no “weak links” on the 53 man roster by Week 2 of the regular season
April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I wonder how Keuchly does w/o all the dramatic music and slow motion video.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
new post!!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
i agree DMAC.. guess we look in free agency and the wavier wire now.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
AIG, #1178
Of course Burris’ highlight reel is better than Luke’s. But that just may be differences in the camera work!
Anyway, Burris is a monster. Hopefully he will develop into a Clay Mathews type of linebacker.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Reggie picked Tony Bergstrom at #95 over these guys in Round 4:
Deja vu: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Sacraiderfan: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
408RAIDER: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Suprafresh: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
The Oracle: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
PercEpTivE: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Mcfadden20.: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Raider J: Nigel Bradham (Florida State)
Just Win Baby: Robert Turbin (Utah State)
ELWAYs TEETH: Robert Turbin (Utah State)
Kvnbntly: Robert Turbin (Utah State)
R8eray: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Hwnrdr: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
DMAC: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Thec: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
No Lo: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Wasbanned: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
ArmChair GM: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Plumbers Crack: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
valleyflyin: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
909RaiderLifer: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raiderlization: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Papertiger418: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raidertbone: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
R8dercain: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Yo Raiders: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
BigZ@CSM: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Horrordude0215: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
1960AutumnWind: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Raidertalk: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Lowdown_in_Beijing: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Inonewordraider: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Jesusraiderjim: Alameda Ta’amu (Washington)
Dakota: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
RaiderSam: Kyle Wilber (Wake Forest)
Marley Bob: Orson Charles (Georgia)
Raiderinparadise: Keenan Robinson (Texas)
Sweep The Leg: James Johnson (Nevada)
Tjbwall: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
765Raiders: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
Raiderboi18: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahoma U)
# Raider O Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Future starters. I don’t think we should give these kids anything, they have to earn it, but I think 3 of them will be future starters.
# Just Win Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I wouldn’t speculate that any of them will even make it through pre season until I see them take a snap with pads on.
# hwnrdr Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Ok, what’s going on with this site???
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reggie picked Miles Burris at #129 over these guys in Round 5:
Twocents: Greg Childs (Arkansas)
RaiderRockstar: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Carl Weathers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8ER MIKE: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CJ Legend 34: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderDuck: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
PlunkforHOF: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HairyBush: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
John David Booty: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Raiderfankirk: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Big Mama Has It Goin On: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
DonManoukiansNeighbor: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
LakeNormanRaider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderLen: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Goldie7: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
El Tato: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Xraided: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
303Raider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
FreddieB: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Hendu: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Rellik30: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
505raiders: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Breaking_Black: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Car Wash Dude: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Realtruraider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Raiderfusion: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaidaRay: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RaiderintheRockies: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
raiderimmortal: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Raider2DaHeart: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Guy: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
DEATHROW 55: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
ENGLANDRAIDER: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Duct Tape: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
HitManMorris: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
CarolinaRaider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Mcthompso: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Jabels1488: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Imaquaman: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Wolferaider: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Dr Ice 2012: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Try Some Reality: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
860Todd Christensen: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
VanHeathen: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Dan78: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
RIPAL: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Greg: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Aig-Raiders: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
8RaiderReign8: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
DutchRaider77: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
BewareofRaiders: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
R8drinOK: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
YoungAmerican: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Silverandblack666: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Fingers: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Paul Gutierrez: Josh Chapman (Alabama)
Chuck: Malik Jackson (Tennessee)
Five Gallon Oil Can: Malik Jackson (Tennessee)
Scott Wright @ DraftCountdown.com: Taylor Thompson (SMU)
Lefty12: Tank Carder (TCU)
PurpleDrank81: Tank Carder (TCU)
ArtilleryShell: Senio Kelemete (Washington)
Gomer: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Smokin Catfish: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
RaidersNextGM: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Antispy3: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Bunk Moorland: Josh Kaddu (Oregon)
Raiderbuck: Shaun Prater (Iowa)
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This is where McK and the scouts and coaches, should know more and have more in depth information than us fans.
Lets hope McK and Allen wind up being right and not us. Otherwise, it will just hurt the football team in the end.
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