NFL Network: Kingdon out
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders have fired longtime scout Jon Kingdon, according to the NFL Network.
Kingdon, 58, has been with the Raiders for 33 years and participated in the 2012 draft which brought in six new players.
Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie said upon the hiring of coach Dennis Allen that any changes to the scouting staff would not happen until after the draft.
According to a recent New York Daily News report, Joey Clinkscales, a personnel executive with the New York Jets and a high school and college teammate of McKenzie, was expected to be let go and possibly join the Raiders.
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April 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
LOYALTY
April 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
@2
April 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
3rd!
April 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Yo Nerds
So I spent the whole day prepping for my new stand up comedy career by watching Weird Al concerts and spraying silly string all over the Certified Platinum Posse
Ordered a rainbow fright wig on Amazon, should be here by next Tues
My impressions have improved 8000% since last night, check out this one of Priesttj:
Hi folks, I’m a stubborn old fool with chickpeas for brains and the Raiders should hire me to head their scouting department, I’ll sign Jamarcus Russell and whip his butt into shape with plenty of leg kicks and one armed push ups, dognaggit
You know I just brought the funny
April 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
QB – Palmer, Pryor, Leinart
FB – Reece, Tonga
HB – McFadden, Jones, Goodson, Miller
TE – Myers, Ausberry, Gordon
WR – Moore, Heyward-Bey, Ford, Criner, Murphy, Calhoun
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle, Bergstrom
C – Wisniewski
RG – Brisiel, Nix
RT – Barnes, Barksdale
RDE – Shaughnessy, Tollefson, Crawford
DT – Kelly, Seymour, Ivey
LDE – Houston, Bryant
ROLB – Wheeler
ILB – McClain, Goethel, Stupar
LOLB – Burris, Curry
CB – Bartell, Spencer, Chekwa, Van Dyke, McCann
SS – Branch, Mitchell
FS – Huff, Giordano, Henry
K Janikowski
P Lechler
LS Condo
Looks like there will be some competition for the last roster spots at DB, OL, DL, and WR. The Raiders still might look to make some veteran additions at any of those positions.
DB: McCann, Underwood, Lee, Black, Powell, and Gatewood will fight it out for the last DB spot. Very preliminary favorite would be McCann for his special teams value and experience on the field. But he’s far from a lock to make the roster. The Raiders may not be finished making moves at DB.
OL: Nix, Hurd, and Parsons will likely be competing for the final spot along the offensive line. I only include Nix above because he’s a pick of the new regime, Hurd lost his number to Bergstrom, and Parsons is a Davis guy.
DL: Candidates for the bottom of the defensive line rotation are Ivey, Hamilton, and Bilukidi. The Raiders could very well look for a veteran here if they’re still looking at using more 3-4 looks.
WR: I listed Murphy and Calhoun because Murphy has starting experience and Calhoun was impressive enough to the Giants to make the active roster as an undrafted rookie. Prospects like Eddie McGee and Derek Carrier are raw, but have a lot of upside.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
who ever that is.. and bet yet, who ever that is?!
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
you can always do better in that portion of football operations … time to move on
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
It’s the Reggie and Mark show now, so we will live with it.
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That’s it right there, Hardline. Reggie wants to live and die with his own guys, so there’s no excuses if he fails and can be confident in that, whatever the outcome, it was his doing and his responsibility.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
*better
April 30th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
7.xraided Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
you can always do better in that portion of football operations … time to move on
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Xraided,
exactly……
April 30th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
i believe he’s making some really good moves … i’ll trust him on this one. John Madden had a ringing endorsement for BigMac, as did many around the NFL. we’ll see i guess… the drafts in the next few years had better be plentiful!
April 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Try Some Reality,
I doubt if we’ll see any drop-off in the scouting dept. with Kingdon’s absence.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Let’s hope not…… Jon was damn good. He’s the reason Veldheer Branch Reece and Moore are Raiders.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
BigMac is the one that drafts these guys based on their input. they’ve landed many late round gems lately, if it to continue with Bergstrom, Burris, and Crines … then i’m on board with whatever Mac-K has in mind!
if all of our draft picks are projects, then we’ll all truly miss Al’s judge of talent in later rounds.. ala D. Moore, Ford, ShoNasty, Veldheer, Branch, etc..
April 30th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
that was probably more Al Davis than anyone Priest. he accepted input, but never made a move on it. as evidence of 40 time speed in all positions! it’s undeniable Al had his way all the time! this time, Reggie wants someone he’ll truly listen to … it’s a different age than the one Jon lived in under Al’s thumb, IMO.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Thanks for the roster update, YA; I was hoping Cork could put something like that together so we could review the roster turnover by position and see potential competition.
Speaking of which, is there any merit to this Lechler trade speculation? I mean, why would we sign a punter if we weren’t thinking about shipping him off to some team with picks and/or players to spare? It’s troubling.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Lefty12 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Raccoon,if we are contending and fighting for the play-offs why would you want to give your understudy QB reps during the season?We saw last year how every position is important.The regular season is no time to give backups experience if the starter is healthy.If we are in a blow-out maybe it would be possible.
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A blow-out would be a perfect time. You got to make a lil sacrifice now so our future is stable.
Bad things happen because of neglect during good times.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Add Shonasty to Jon’s list he’s the one Big Al listened to the most after McCloughan retired. He kept all the other scouts in order made sure the board was thr way Mr Davis wanted. Whenever I had a suggestion such as Terrelle Pryor I called JON. BTW I hounded him to get Mr Davis to take Pryor. The 40 time helped though…LOL
April 30th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
JaRu was a great pick by the Raider scouting dept. He just did not have the line to protect him or the recievers to burn downfield 65+ yards cuz he woulda got them the ball on a rope. Scouting dept. was spot on. They just needed the player personel to protect him. JaRu woulda been the greatest of pocket guys had he the line he needed, and the play calling. Dude was a beast. I blame the play calling for his demise.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Good work Young American..Sounds about right.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
priesttj Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Add Shonasty to Jon’s list he’s the one Big Al listened to the most after McCloughan retired. He kept all the other scouts in order made sure the board was thr way Mr Davis wanted. Whenever I had a suggestion such as Terrelle Pryor I called JON. BTW I hounded him to get Mr Davis to take Pryor. The 40 time helped though…LOL
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Damn! Pryor was Coachs’ last pick. Kind of like the youngest child of a big family. Pryor can always hold that distinction: the last pick of a legend known for great picks.
Hey Tj, why was Jon let go?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
LFMAO at TJ. Really Priest???? really????? LMFAO.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c672f/article/brett-favre-will-have-to-testify-about-suggestive-text-messages?module=HP11_headline_stack
Ouch.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Our drafts have been fan effin tastic the last 10 yrs. It’s a shame we had to let the scout go. (sarcasm)
How many probowlers did we draft in the last 10 yrs and how many winning seasons?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Roided Raider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
JaRu was a great pick by the Raider scouting dept. He just did not have the line to protect him or the recievers to burn downfield 65+ yards cuz he woulda got them the ball on a rope. Scouting dept. was spot on. They just needed the player personel to protect him. JaRu woulda been the greatest of pocket guys had he the line he needed, and the play calling. Dude was a beast. I blame the play calling for his demise.
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yea uhh okay…. MINUS THE PURPLE DRANK I SUPPOSE? cmon now.. JaBackfat was and is addicted to codeine. notice how he blames everyone for HIS PROBLEMS and still doesn’t play football for anyone in any capacity?
a true drug addict right there.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Dudes this is so awesome
Rasta Ganja, my ocean-smooth reggae side project, just showed up for rehearsal and when they opened up their guitar cases those springy snakes popped out!
The bros were totally freaked out then started busting up, knowing I had totally goofed on them
Man, this comedy thing is going through the roof, gotta come up with a snappy stage name. Some possibilities are Crazy Beeechy and Insane in the Beeech Brain
I’ll take suggestions but keep in mind there will be no royalties
April 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
There is one guy in here who is dismayed and aghast at Reggies’ action thus far as a GM. He cites Reggies lack attention paid to drafting CBs, and also points to the dismissal of Kingdon.
Reggie, in the draft, could only do so much. He chose to bolster the O line and defense in the middle. There will be many very good CB’s floating around as training camp draws near. Since the coaching staff is of a defensive bent, I am sure they’ll strengthen the secondary, eventually, if the need arises.
To sit around and commiserate and wallow in the remembrance of AD is extremely negative, since that is submission to dementia, hyper-incompetence, delusion, and non-performance.
I said it 100 times and I’ll say it again: AL should have been deposed from a 100% management position after dismissing Gruden: Raiders were not Al’s team. They belonged to the partnership. Al committed a breach of fiduciary duty when he drafted a new partnership agreement when the majority owners were in Europe on vacation in the early 70’s, put it to a vote of the partners who were present at the time, then had the new agreement instituted giving himself 100% management rights.
Even Mark, with his current actions, has ratified the business conduct of Reggie. Mark also knows the depths of depravity AD fell to the past 10 years.
Can’t we just move on ?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
yes Aig, time for a change. i like the recent draft picks, and BTW Priest, Reggie must have had a good reason. it can’t be because he just wants to bring in his own guy… it was the same when he let Hue go, there was a lot of reasons for it.. not one or two.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
YA, I think Leinart instantly becomes #2 because he knows Knapp’s offense better than TP. Huge TP fan here but I dont see how TP can beat out Leinart when Leinart was already #2 in Houston under Knapp.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Hardline:
when AEG takes over and creates L.A. LIVE with our Raiders, it’ll be crystal clear that the team has moved on forever without looking back. it was bound to happen.. just not as quickly as i thought it would.. being that a new coliseum is imminent at this point, whether it be in LA or OAK! here’s hoping Coliseum City goes down! PLZ O LORD!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Reggie must have had a good reason. it can’t be because he just wants to bring in his own guy
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Yup agreed. It’s a nite and day difference in the guys we drafted this year vs prior. No 40 yd freaks and all of them were productive college players (say maybe Crawford). You guys notice that all of them were seniors as well (I think).
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Roided Raider,
Where did you come up with that hair-brained theory, Roided ???
Yeah, JMR was drafted into a dysfunctional system, and so were a lot of other guys.
Go back and read the pre-draft negatives on JMR, and you can’t say those considering drafting him, weren’t warned.
Our organization sucked and so did the scouting dept.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
AIG,
Possibly, I’m not too focused on how the depth chart would shake out quite yet. Just projecting what the 53 man roster might look like.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
that’s why i hope a healthy Leinart gets signed. he can run this offense and is very accurate at times. if he could be successful so long as DMC stays here for 14+ games and matches or does better than Arian Foster.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Dudes this is so awesome
Rasta Ganja, my ocean-smooth reggae side project, just showed up for rehearsal and when they opened up their guitar cases those springy snakes popped out!
The bros were totally freaked out then started busting up, knowing I had totally goofed on them
Man, this comedy thing is going through the roof, gotta come up with a snappy stage name. Some possibilities are Crazy Beeechy and Insane in the Beeech Brain
I’ll take suggestions but keep in mind there will be no royalties
*********
>Beeech just got to Leak
>Platinum Posse Ooze
>Big Balled Beeech the Brass Balled Bull and the Platinum Posse P***y
>Anal Drip
April 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
31. i liked the new way of drafting as well. 3 of them will be starters this year.. i don’t even have to say which ones!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Yo Hardline
Check out this Rasta Ganja jam hot off the press, they’re working out the music and I busted out these dope lyrics
They’re pretty much all about getting high on reefer and Jamaican babes pleasuring my weiner
It’s called “Condoms are Overrated, Mon”
Chillin’ in Kingston, wearing my Dead tie dyes
Getting love from dah ladies and getting way high
Playing reggae after we do a wake n bake
Then please show some attention to my massive trouser snake
DAS JUS HOW WE DO, RASTA FARI ONE LOVE
April 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
So here’s what the 53-man roster would theoretically look like at this point:
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how the hell can you determine the 53 man roster 3 months before the first preseason game, before more personnel changes, before anyone gets hurt, BEFORE WE SEE HOW ANYONE PLAYS IN NEW SYSTEMS etc
preseason is not useless, it’s just way overpriced borderline extortion to drive up season ticket sales for teams that can sell season tickets
April 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Hardline Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Roided Raider,
Where did you come up with that hair-brained theory, Roided ???
Yeah, JMR was drafted into a dysfunctional system, and so were a lot of other guys.
Go back and read the pre-draft negatives on JMR, and you can’t say those considering drafting him, weren’t warned.
Our organization sucked and so did the scouting dept.
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My thing with JaRu was he could throw the ball a country mile. So get a o-line to protect him, get burners that can get down field, and go deep. Its up to the organization to devlope talent. Our coaches failed to do that, our play calling failed too. JaRu had some issues, but good coaching would have fixed that.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Beeech Dawg,
Gotta love it, man. lol
April 30th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Thanks for the roster update, YA; I was hoping Cork could put something like that together so we could review the roster turnover by position and see potential competition.
Speaking of which, is there any merit to this Lechler trade speculation? I mean, why would we sign a punter if we weren’t thinking about shipping him off to some team with picks and/or players to spare? It’s troubling
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It seems customary to always bring in punters, kickers, long snappers, etc. during the offseason just for OTA’s, Training Camp, and what not. Think we did the same thing last year, and other teams do it frequently too. Don’t know if it is to have multiple punters so that multiple people can be working on return (catches) at once, or just having a guy familiar with the team in case someone goes down, like Seabass did last year–or his rookie year (gout). I wouldn’t make much of it.
Could be wrong…could be a way to free up some money due to the fact that he’s being paid a lot for a P.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
how the hell can you determine the 53 man roster 3 months before the first preseason game, before more personnel changes, before anyone gets hurt, BEFORE WE SEE HOW ANYONE PLAYS IN NEW SYSTEMS etc
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Read: would, theoretically, at this point
And then everything under it, where I outline the main position battles. I’m in no way claiming that’s what the 53-man roster will be.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
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#Raiders firing long-time scout Jon Kingdon one of two most questionable moves this offseason. Very good scout, great person.
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“@Thethrill06: @CorkOnTheNFL what was the other move” — Pretty obvious.
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Steve, is this Kingdon the source who told you that Keyon Nash was going to be all-pro?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Reggie must have had a good reason. it can’t be because he just wants to bring in his own guy
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Yup agreed. It’s a nite and day difference in the guys we drafted this year vs prior. No 40 yd freaks and all of them were productive college players (say maybe Crawford). You guys notice that all of them were seniors as well (I think).
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Don’t know for sure it was even Reggie Mac’s decision to fire Kingdon. Mark Davis fired Hue, then Reggie Mac announced it.
If Reggie Mac’s friend Clinkscales is hired, that will be a strong clue though
April 30th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Roided Raider,
Bro, you can’t be serious man. We are all entitled to our opinion but yours is really way out there man. I dont EVER remember Jamarcus throwing a perfect spiral bomb that was ever accurate. The best throw he ever made was on Monday nite football with BSPN’s 2nd crew. It was against SD in Oak. It was the game where they took away Murphy’s TD before halftime. In that game JR was running backward and threw a laser pass on an out pattern. Steve Young said he could never do that. That’s about it for JR with us. Dude was dumb. Sorry but he was too dumb to play the QB position.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Roided Raider,
“My thing with JaRu was he could throw the ball a country mile. So get a o-line to protect him, get burners that can get down field, and go deep. Its up to the organization to devlope talent. Our coaches failed to do that, our play calling failed too. JaRu had some issues, but good coaching would have fixed that.”
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Roided,
I understand you and brought up the same point before. Where we differ is as follows:
If I were JMR I would have never entitled myself to think I was great and NFL ready.
If I were JMR I would recognised the situation for what it was, put my head down and just gone to work, and work and more work.
If I were JMR I would have realized it would take the death of AD to make things right, since AD was the one who made things all wrong.
Unfortunately JMR was neither smart enough nor wise enough to know the things described above. In a way I feel sorry for him, but then again there are billions of persons on this Earth who never dreamed at having such golden opportunities.
It was case of giving JMR too much too soon.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Alzado,
Rest assured it was Reggie that fired Hue and Kingdon as well. Reggie is bringing his own guys in. Given the way we all see how RM operates, there is no way Hubris was going to be here. Reggie wants everyone on the same page and do you really think Hubris would ever NOT backstab Reggie?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Yo Beeech Dawg
We just thumpin to the beat of good humpin
Got the balls all waxed and ready for pumpin
We eat we sleep and we do the krunkin
Roll wit it jizzty bizzity thunkin
April 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
41.
i second that … if King can consistently BOOM them, he’ll simply get his shot through the Raiders as a camp leg and a preseason leg… happens often. lets hope he’s not TOO GOOD though… or else the donkeys will snag him or something… maybe NE.. eww..
April 30th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Aig,
I have a huge hankering to revert to AL D. Davis regarding Hue. Just the thought or sight of him in a photo makes me quake.
How’d we ever get stuck with him anyway ?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“A true friend stabs you in the front.”
Oscar Wilde
April 30th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
JRuss couldn’t hit a wide-open receiver to seal the win vs Philly a few years back.
I mean perfect play-action play-call, D bites, 4th and 1, receiver open downfield for easy game-icing TD, Russell throws a two-hopper at his feet. Thing bounced twice before arriving at his feet. Think about that.
The guy just didn’t have it. No excuses (other than the drank accelerating his sucktitude rate). Didn’t put in the work.
Give me Donald Hollas over that mess.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Aig-Raiders,
Dumb,,,,just way too dumb……same as Slowando!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
To the outsider, this Kingdon firing may look like Reggie didn’t like the grades he received in his first draft, so he promptly fires the head scout in an effort to defer the blame.
Of course we know better…
April 30th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Alex7,
All I remember is JMR flippin darts into the dirt at 5 ft. in front of his receivers in our opening game against SD. That was the game ref’s ruled Murphy’s TD a no catch.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Who here is an OUTSIDER?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Doesn’t it suck when you find out the person you admired for being a sound minded, even keeled mentor turns out to be a hopeless deviant who is into auto-erotic asphyxiation?
April 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
33 years is WAY too long! Keep spraying that Febreze Reggie! Get the stank out of the building!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Alzado,
Rest assured it was Reggie that fired Hue and Kingdon as well. Reggie is bringing his own guys in. Given the way we all see how RM operates, there is no way Hubris was going to be here. Reggie wants everyone on the same page and do you really think Hubris would ever NOT backstab Reggie?
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Cork stated as fact on one of the live chats that it was in fact Mark that decided to dump Hue–in late 2011. Cork said he couldn’t give details. I don’t think Cork would write that if it weren’t fact, whatever your opinion of Cork I don’t think he puts out false factual info
No I don’t think Hue could co exist with Reggie Mac successfully.
While I think Hue has his strong points, his weak points are more potent. I lost faith in him after he seemed ungrounded and opportunistic after AD died, then not benching Romac, late season collapse, and the end of year press conference left no doubt in my mind he should go. But there were valid points supporting giving him another year as well
I believe that Reggie Mac is probably a major if not the major factor that pushed Kingdon out the door, and if Clinkscales is hired, almost certain
April 30th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
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Mark Davis is the one who fired coach Hue Jackson. Firing of long-time scout Jon Kingdon is one Reggie McKenzie actually can take credit for
April 30th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Hardline Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Aig-Raiders,
Dumb,,,,just way too dumb……same as Slowando!
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I might get killed by some of my friends from the South on here but (I’ll try to be PC) the level of articulation required in that area is not the same as in other parts of the country. Life is a lot slower down there and your environment shapes who you are in some ways too.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
I thought the end of year press conference Hue gave was a good reason why he should stay.
It was “a joke”.
He spoke the truth.
That being said, i’m still excited about the new regime.
I did like Hue’s passion and I think he tried his best.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Alzado
Sure it was Mark that technically told Hue he was fired but imho Reggie had to make it clear he was goign to get his own coach during the interview. Any smart GM would want that. RM may not be a public speaker but his moves so far have shown the man is pretty sharp.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
What I mean to say about Hue is i’d rather hear what he said than hear worn out cliches like “we just didn;t get it done” or :guys gave it their all and it just wasn;t enough. You gotta tip your cap to San Diego” etc. etc. etc.
That defensive showing was pathetic and he shares some of the blame imo, but…they SHOULD have been called out for that effort.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
The coaching staff is to blame for our lack of a playoff season last year….not the players…
I have inside knowledge of this FACT.
I do not agree that Coach Jackson should have been fired…but that was not my decision.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
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@CorkOnTheNFL why wait till right after draft to fire scout? Coward move
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“@Romo_BeThe_Name: @CorkOnTheNFL Hubert the other one?” — Don’t recall that Hubert guy you speak of. No, in other words.
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“@Hahahabro: @CorkOnTheNFL Wait so you think Hue was the first questionable move?” — Hue who?
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J GARCIA –WOULD YOU HAVE FIRED HIM RIGHT BEFORE THE DRAFT? If you’re gonna fire him, now’s the right time.
Not to say I necessarily agree (or disagree) with firing him at all. Don’t know how good or bad he was. Pretty sure it was AD in his old age that drafted under best-40-yard-dash-timer-available theory.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Coach Jackson should have become more familiar with the Defensive Side of the ball instead of blaming that side of the ball.
He was essentially upset with himself and his lack of knowledge of defensive football and chose to blame the Defensive Coaches.
If we had a Coach with knowledge of every facet of the game we wouldn’t have had this problem….but in the NFL….very few of these Coaches exist.
Most specialize in one area..instead of the ALL the concepts as a whole….
Coach Jackson was an example of this…and was chosen accordingly…
April 30th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The last 25 years were dismal. Either Kingdon was party to Al’s poor personnel decisions, or he didn’t speak up and intervene against them. Best case scenario he was spineless. No loss.
April 30th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The Raiders are not interested in hiring a Coach with these qualities.
Instead of setting the bar, we follow it!
April 30th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Kingdon was probably the guy sitting in the meetings whining “If Mr. Davis were still here, he would do things this way….” Guess what? Mr Davis ain’t here no mo. At least that’s what all my high profile Raiders insiders tell me at our secret meetings before I logon to the blog. LMFAO
April 30th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Herrera out. Scouts on the way out. All of Al’s cabal is falling like toy soldiers. Beautiful.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:00 am
I’m In
Code Black
2012 slogan: Stink Be Gone!
May 1st, 2012 at 12:07 am
April 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
The coaching staff is to blame for our lack of a playoff season last year….not the players…
I have inside knowledge of this FACT.
I do not agree that Coach Jackson should have been fired…but that was not my decision.
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I know we had problems with coaching last year, but FACTS:
We had a defense that opened the season with Quentin Groves starting at WSLB, CB Chris Johnson coming off surgery backed by two raw and injured rookies to relieve him and play nickel corner, and players like that 40-yard-dash CB Porter, LB Bruce Davis III, SS Jerome Boyd, and LB Darryl Blackstock on the opening day roster. + opinion -very few if any real difference makers on defense
how can you say that players/ personnel had nothing to do with our problems?
May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am
If Reggie eventually gets fired he’ll have himself to blame as well. He just cut one of the most respected scouts in the league who knew the league and was damn good. Hiring friends to cover your backside isn’t always the best thing. Hopefully Clinkscale is all Reggie thinks he is.
Jon knew everybody and there are other things he did unbeknownst to Mr Davis that helped the org. He was probably the most media friendly guy in that biulding and the media trusted what he told them was true. That’s why Cork is pissed. I can say that stuff now because Mr davis is gone and so is Jon…..nobody can get hurt.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am
Kingdon, 58, has been with the Raiders for 33 years
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Kingdom obviously wasnt the one who scouted Reggie back in the day then ,no sympathy here
May 1st, 2012 at 12:12 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
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“@RaidersBlog: @CorkOnTheNFL Holding out on that other move you think is questionable?” — Already mentioned it several times.
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maybe a new coaching staff with maybe the least experience in NFL history
but hey if it works, these guys have fresh ideas, creativity, smarts, and energy
May 1st, 2012 at 12:13 am
Funny how many of you love the recommendation for Reggie McKenzie from John Madden and Ron Wolf…two people who worked for Mr. Davis….
and yet many of you laugh at others who worked for him…
Many of you should look yourselves in the mirror and ask yourself…Who AM I?
Why the need to blame?
Is it because it’s your way of separating yourself from the lack of success of the team for so long.
I have been extremely harsh of Reggie McKenzie and will continue to search for ways in which he displeases me….if and only because no one else will do it…and someone should look at the other side of the coin…
I might be a minority of ONE, but the truth is the truth.
Reggie McKenzie is nothing more then a man getting paid handsomely to do a job….he is not loyal to anything or anyone but the money….he way competing against us just months ago….
If he is going to win…he is going to earn it…I can promise you that!
I doubt he has what it takes, but I also hope I’m wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mcE5Iv0hVQ&feature=related
May 1st, 2012 at 12:18 am
I have been extremely harsh of Reggie McKenzie and will continue to search for ways in which he displeases me….if and only because no one else will do it…and someone should look at the other side of the coin…
If he is going to win…he is going to earn it…I can promise you that!
I doubt he has what it takes, but I also hope I’m wrong.
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No problem. I have a pretty good amount of faith in Reggie Mac myself but skepticism is certainly warranted until he proves himself and always welcome–in fact necessary–for a vibrant discussion here
Really most of Reggie’s moves re: player personnel so far are pretty much by the book. Bold moves in the future will need to be made, and will critical to his/Raiders success or failure
May 1st, 2012 at 12:20 am
Well said…I agree
May 1st, 2012 at 12:25 am
Hiring friends to cover your backside isn’t always the best thing. Hopefully Clinkscale is all Reggie thinks he is.
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if Reggie Mac is hiring yes-men that’s not encouraging. But many people believe that anyone still around from AD days is as likely to be a yes-man (to AD) as anyone Reggie Mac brings in. I don’t feel like I’m in a position to make these judgements about front office people.
whoever is doing the hiring & firing , you should have people working for you who will challenge your opinion at times
May 1st, 2012 at 12:27 am
I do wonder a little myself about the God Squad factor with the new Reggime
May 1st, 2012 at 12:27 am
At all times…up until they agree!
May 1st, 2012 at 12:28 am
Agreed. I think those people will have the freedom to speak up I just think they’re people he’s comfortable with no indictment there. I would do the same thing.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:34 am
I would not be cleaning house in the building.
To me, that is not leadership. Leadership is gathering everyone together and saying here is the plan, if anyone has a problem with it, take a hike.
Leaders don’t create followers, they create more leaders!
May 1st, 2012 at 12:34 am
priesttj Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am
He was probably the most media friendly guy in that biulding and the media trusted what he told them was true. That’s why Cork is pissed.
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good chance–I already mentioned possibility before, but how do you know for sure why Cork is pissed?
May 1st, 2012 at 12:35 am
A leader can lead anyone….he doesn’t have to search for the right type of people to lead….
May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 am
A leader leads by his example.
Firing people who were working for the business for 33 years is not a sound business decision…..PERIOD
May 1st, 2012 at 12:40 am
right now Bohmar is signed and on the roster, leinhart is not; therefore nix post #5.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:40 am
Sullivan44 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The last 25 years were dismal. Either Kingdon was party to Al’s poor personnel decisions, or he didn’t speak up and intervene against them. Best case scenario he was spineless. No loss.
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that may be a credible scenario, but best case scenario is that he was behind some of the good decisions and pushed back vs. Al’s 40 yard dash tunnel vision. Maybe Jon supported Gruden/Allen personnel moves. But those were mostly with vets, so I doubt that’s a big factor. But I/we really don’t know, do we?
Any scout who didn’t/wouldn’t/couldn’t move on to another team under the dysfunctional conditions at Raiders HQ is suspect in my book, and probably an AD yes man. Ronnie Wolf moved on, Madden moved on, Allen moved on, etc.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:42 am
And some remained loyal to the man who afforded them the opportunity!
May 1st, 2012 at 12:44 am
Sullivan44 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Herrera out. Scouts on the way out. All of Al’s cabal is falling like toy soldiers. Beautiful.
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the old cabal are all suspect to me, but I’ll stop short of guilt by association.
time will tell if we’re better off. Hard to imagine being worse
Do you mean biz side as well as football side?
May 1st, 2012 at 12:46 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 am
A leader leads by his example.
Firing people who were working for the business for 33 years is not a sound business decision…..PERIOD
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sometimes firing people is necessary or desirable.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:50 am
They could have asked him to resign….or not offered him another contract once the time came….
Firing a man with that kind of a resume only reflects poorly on Reggie and the Raider organization….IMO
May 1st, 2012 at 12:52 am
priesttj Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am
priesttj Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am
He just cut one of the most respected scouts in the league who knew the league and was damn good. .
Jon knew everybody and there are other things he did unbeknownst to Mr Davis that helped the org. He was probably the most media friendly guy in that biulding and the media trusted what he told them was true.
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if Kingdon is well respected around the league I’m sure he’ll get hired to higher level position than he had in Oakland. Maybe that’s even why he’s leaving, he got a better job but the NFL network got things twisted. Who knows. I doubt that the NFL network would be too mixed up about it.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:54 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:50 am
They could have asked him to resign….or not offered him another contract once the time came….
Firing a man with that kind of a resume only reflects poorly on Reggie and the Raider organization….IMO
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I’m sure Cork and the other beat writers will press Reggie Mac for his side of the story, I’ll be very interested in it myself
May 1st, 2012 at 12:58 am
or not offered him another contract once the time came….
No. Reggie Mac is charged with doing what’s best for the Raiders, not being nice to Jon Kingdon.
Clearly now is the best time to make changes in college scouting staff.
No one questioned earlier when Reggie Mac said changes to scouting staff would be made after the draft. Now because some people’s buddy appears out, they question it.
I already mentioned that J Garcia’s tweet that the timing is cowardly makes no sense to me whatsoever
May 1st, 2012 at 12:59 am
I would love to hear that the story is incorrect….that would make me happy…
May 1st, 2012 at 1:02 am
Vittorio Tafur @VittorioTafur
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McKenzie had said he was going to wait until after Draft to make changes to #Raiders scouting department. It’s after Draft. Kingdon fired
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DIDN’T HEAR ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH REGGIE ON THIS UNTIL SOME PEOPLE’S BUDDY GOT FIRED
timing is right on … for Raider’s best interests
whether the right decision was made, I don’t know, but the timing is spot on.
I suspect the decision is pretty good, too
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:59 am
I would love to hear that the story is incorrect….that would make me happy…
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who knows? the story with John Herrera was a little different than originally reported.
in the modern day media world, exaggeration rules
I’m sure there’s more to it than has been reported.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:09 am
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Here’s the thing regarding the McKenzie-Allen Raiders: There’s a plan. And they’ll follow it. Have a good feeling about McKenzie era.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:12 am
He just cut one of the most respected scouts in the league who knew the league and was damn good. .
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THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS SUCH A GOOD SCOUT DOING STAYING IN A SCREWED UP FRONT OFFICE FOR SO LONG
I mean, if Kingdon’s that good, why couldn’t he find a better job?
May 1st, 2012 at 1:21 am
Some of you Semi’s knock the beat writers Cork and Jerry Mac on this blog, but you all come here to post…and really Cork and Jerry Mac are much better than you give them credit for being.
Compare Cork’s and especially Jerry Mac’s pre draft stuff re: Raiders with CSN Paul what’s his name. Sometimes he’s good, but his projected Raiders draft, made almost entirely of players who had made pre draft visits to Oakland, makes you wonder how much he knows about some things.
Just because there has been buzz because draft eligible players had private visits to the Raiders doesn’t mean they will draft them. Most of these players are small college guys, non combine invites, or other players who got little other exposure (often these visits are to help the Raiders get a leg up on signing them as UDFAs); or visits from players who have injury issues (eg Josh Chapman). Many players say after the draft that they were chosen by teams who had shown little apparent interest. And just because someone visited doesn’t mean the Raiders were impressed with what they saw.
Tell Paul what’s his name
Not like pre-draft speculation means a damn thing, but the Semi’s who are into it here give no props to Jerry’s astute mention of Bergstrom as the most likely potential OL target of the Raiders, and one of the 10 or so he mentioned overall
May 1st, 2012 at 1:42 am
Comment From Jg
True or false- raiders win the west ?
12:28
Steve Corkran:
False. Tough schedule, too many question marks, first-time coach, new defensive coordinator, def. line coach, etc.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:43 am
Comment From Raider Duck
Any chance that, post-draft, we snag Mayock as our Personnel guy? He almost came to work for us a few years back…
12:28
Steve Corkran:
Possible, though I haven’t heard anything to support that yet.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:44 am
Comment From ORegonRaider
Cork.. Having a feel for the pulse of the RDR Nation. Are we coming around to the fact that Al D. over reached that last couple of years, $$$ and picks.
12:29
Steve Corkran:
Oh, people inside were of that belief at the time and long before now.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:45 am
Comment From raiderrick73
As the Raiders work on rebuilding with a toiugh 2012 schedule can we atleast finish 8-8?
12:30
Steve Corkran:
No doubt. Heck, there isn’t a dominant team in the AFC West, so there’s no reason the Raiders can’t win the division. Just seems like a lot would have to go right.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:46 am
Comment From Parker
Based on the new staff and lack of depth, do you think the Raiders will have a leg up for UDFAs?
12:32
Steve Corkran:
It’s predicated upon contacting those players right away, making a strong pitch and paying the price. Raiders will hold their own in this regard.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:47 am
Comment From Gonzo Raider, from Panama
Hi Steve! Tough schedule, but we’ll kick rocks! If you had your pick as a back up free agent QB, who will you select right now?
12:32
Steve Corkran:
Billy Volek.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:47 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:13 am
Funny how many of you love the recommendation for Reggie McKenzie from John Madden and Ron Wolf…two people who worked for Mr. Davis…
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Easy. Wolf and Madden arent afraid to speak their minds and arent Al Davis yes men. Simple as that.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:48 am
Comment From RaiderOne
Have do you feel Carson Palmer will do with a full training camp and preseason this year, along with this new coaching staff?
12:34
Steve Corkran:
Something tells me that he is going to have a big season. Way more comfortable, healthy players around him and bolstered by desire to validate Raiders’ trading for him last season.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:49 am
Comment From Mick from Harrisburg, PA.
Hello Steve, We all know that the Raiders have many holes to fill but where do you think Mckenzie will start first?
12:34
Steve Corkran:
Defense. Cornerback, linebacker and defensive line all huge priorities.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:51 am
Comment From E
What do you see as the Raider’s biggest strength going into the season? Weakness? Thanks again
12:36
Steve Corkran:
Strength is the offense, without a doubt. Most of the players are back and healthy. Weakness, of course, is defense across the board. Need playmakers. Don’t see any yet.
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Need playmakers. Don’t see any yet.
Hope Sho’Nasty breaks out this year. We really need it
Bartell is pretty darn good if healthy
May 1st, 2012 at 1:53 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:35 am
A leader can lead anyone….he doesn’t have to search for the right type of people to lead….
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It’s not the effin military where you’re stuck with the soldiers given to you. In the real world, where leaders have choices, you need a team that buys in to your strategy 100%. When you’re the boss why would you stick with any underling who wants YOU to prove it the THEM? It’s absurd.
You folks still pining for Raider loyalty are just like Al–you don’t see how the league has changed. The only loyalty is temporary and revolves around money and mission. As for the old days, well, there’s still NFL Films.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:54 am
And, Priest, tell us again how many All Pros and Hall of Famers we drafted in the past 33 years.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:58 am
Comment From RaiderRedleg
Gut feeling…Raider going to draft a C/G in the draft or sign a vet center for depth?
12:37
Steve Corkran:
McKenzie won’t pass up a talented player on the offensive line. However, if one isn’t there, he can find backups in free agency.
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Props to Cork, right on this one
May 1st, 2012 at 2:01 am
Comment From chargerH8er
Being its a copycat league, i feel we should get another receiving tight end . I think New England has a great blue print for using more athletic TE’s. We should copy it.
12:41
Steve Corkran:
Raiders already have four tight ends on their roster. Won’t take another one unless one is too talented to pass up.
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right again, Steve.
Who can say out beat writers aren’t more in touch with the Raiders’ thinking that the web experts?
Comment From ACONDO
Mel’s Mock Draft have the Raiders take a TE at 95… I don’t see them adding another young TE, Do you?
11:58
Steve Corkran:
Seems less likely with the addition of Andre Hardy. However, if one of the top prospects falls that far, I could see Reggie feeling as if the value is too good to pass up.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:03 am
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Ohio Says
“You folks still pining for Raider loyalty are just like Al–you don’t see how the league has changed. The only loyalty is temporary and revolves around money and mission. As for the old days, well, there’s still NFL Films.”
You are incorrect here my friend…if loyalty as you describe it is temporary…it is not loyalty!
May 1st, 2012 at 2:06 am
Comment From Brodie
Have you heard anything about the development of Alex Parsons and Zach Hurd? Hoping they can provide depth on the OL this year.
12:43
Steve Corkran:
Nothing, other than they are in attendance, working hard and eager to crack the 53-man roster.
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personally, I watched G/C Parsons play the last couple preseasons and he’s a good fit for ZBS and pretty good–2 years stashed on practice squad, where OL’s rarely get plucked by other teams due to lack of special teams value. I think he’ll be competitive for roster spot this year, but we need fierce competition for backup center. He’s the only hopeful right now. Brisiel can play center in a pinch
May 1st, 2012 at 2:10 am
Comment From Ismael
From the looks of it it seems we’ll be a base 4-3 defense this year, do you think that changes in 3013 eith more draft picks and a better salary cap or we stick with the 4-3?
12:46
Steve Corkran:
Yes, it is more likely to take place after this season. Even so, we still might see some of the 3-4 being implemented this season.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:11 am
Comment From Orthodoxdj
Why let go of Boss?
12:46
Steve Corkran:
Wasn’t the kind of tight end McKenzie and Allen wanted. Also, pretty expensive for a guy who wasn’t used much.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:15 am
Comment From cranium68
Do you think the Raiders will take NT Chapman if he is available at 95?
12:48
Steve Corkran:
Yeah, I could see the Raiders going that route, especially now that word is out that Chapman will be healthy enough to resume playing by training camp.
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guess NFL teams just don’t want NT/DT run stuffers anymore. Or maybe Chapman really won’t be ready by start of camp. 6 months is pretty fast rehab from ACL+cartilage surgery. Alameda Ta’amu was allegedly a pocket collapser as well as a run stuffer, and he lasted till R4
short/little LBs sure fly off the draft board early these days, though
May 1st, 2012 at 2:17 am
Comment From joe
Hebron Fangupo is a mix of Vince Wilfork & Sione Pouha. you have Reggies number, let him know this guy needs to be a RAIDER!
12:49
Comment From Area Man
Who’s the NT in our 3-4?
12:50
Steve Corkran:
Don’t have a natural one on the roster, with the possible exception of Travis Ivey.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:20 am
Comment From Chris in NY
Extraordinarily rare for a practice squad guy to earn the kind of praise from a star QB the way Eddie McGee has done with Carson Palmer. What can you tell us about McGee and could he even challenge for a starting job at some point in 2012?
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McGee was a position switch in camp last year, got hurt early, then impressed in last preseason game when healthy. But some Semi here says position switches or a foolish waste of experience
May 1st, 2012 at 2:21 am
Steve Corkran:
McGee has a nice combination of size and speed. He played quarterback in college, so he has a knowledge of how routes should be run. Also, has pretty good hands. Loved him in camp last season.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:22 am
CORKONTHENFL:
#Raiders firing long-time scout Jon Kingdon one of two most questionable moves this offseason. Very good scout, great person.
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Cork seems pretty pissed about the Kingdon firing, but Reggie gave fair warning, so that’s that. Tough decisions have to be made if we’re going to reform this franchise.
As to the other “questionable move” that Cork referred to in his tweet, it’s obviously the Richard Seymour deal. I’m pretty sure Cork was critical of paying an old vet like Seymour so much $$ at this stage of his career.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:23 am
Comment From joe from tn
Is Seymour’s poor play due to lack of effort or age in your opinion?
12:55
Steve Corkran:
Don’t think he played poorly, just not as well as Tommy Kelly and certainly not at a Pro Bowl level. But, yes, it bears keeping in mind that Seymour is getting old for an NFL player and has endured years of banging inside.
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well, Seymour can play outside at LDE too…less banging.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:25 am
Comment From Raider Herm
Do you think Shaunessy has a breakout year? There were glimmers of greatness before his injury.
12:57
Steve Corkran:
Yes, I do. His shoulder has healed, and he is ready to roll. Expected huge things from him last year before he got hurt.
SHO’NASTY GETTING HIS BEAST ON FOR 2012
May 1st, 2012 at 2:27 am
Comment From Guest
It’s kind of a mystery who will start at End oppsite Shaugnessey. If kelly is traded and they do some 3-4, new nose tackle isnide with Houston with Shaugn and who on outside? Bryant and Tollefson better off bench
12:59
Steve Corkran:
Open competition. Lamarr Houston and Desmond Bryant are the leading candidates.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:29 am
The only thing that’ll get me pissed at McKenzie will be if he ships off Lechler because of his cap number. We have way too many out of whack contracts to cut before parting ways with one of our only All-Pro players.
Still, he signed that UDFA punter to a 3 year deal, so…
May 1st, 2012 at 2:32 am
Comment From Dan78
Do you think Chapman DT will be there at 95
12:00
Steve Corkran:
No, I don’t.
*****
WRONG STEVE, BUT YOU’RE NOT THE ONLY ONE
May 1st, 2012 at 2:39 am
Comment From Steve in NY
Any insight as to what the Raiders think of Travis Ivey and Mason Brodine?
12:14
Steve Corkran:
The Raiders are high on both players. Ivey arrived late last season, so we don’t know much about him. Saw Brodine in training camp. High-effort player who has a shot to make the 53-man roster this year.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:43 am
Comment From Antonio
What are the thoughts around the NFL regarding RM?
12:23
Steve Corkran:
Well-liked, gets credited with playing a key role in the Packers’ success the past 18 years or so.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:43 am
Comment From Steve in NY
I disagree with Kiper’s speculation that the Raiders select TE Egnew in third round. Isn’t it more likely that they go with Myers and continue to develop Ausberry and Gordon?
12:24
Steve Corkran:
Yes, I envision the Raiders sticking with their three young tight ends and hoping that one emerges as a front-line player.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:46 am
Comment From RaiderRedleg
Raiders done with moves at the RB, WR, TE positions. After losing Routt and Wimbley I would think all the draft pick and salary cap needs to be used to give Allen as much depth on the defense as he can get.
12:25 Steve Corkran:
Agreed, with the possible exception of finding a versatile offensive lineman at some point
DARN, CORK IS RIGHT AGAIN..ALMOST. NOT BAD CORK
May 1st, 2012 at 2:47 am
Comment From chargerH8er
Pryor is not a very accurate passer…is that something he can learn. I myself think it’s not.
12:27
Steve Corkran:
He can get much better by working with Al Saunders and Greg Knapp, no doubt, as well as studying the footwork and mechanics of Carson Palmer. Bright kid. He has a shot at making it work
May 1st, 2012 at 2:49 am
Comment From a42
What do you think the ceiling is for shaugnesy? I like him but don’t see his as an elite top DE.
12:30
Steve Corkran:
Pro Bowl. The key with him is staying healthy. He is entering his prime and has the potential to be a beast.
I AGREE WITH CORK MORE OFTEN THAN I REALIZED
May 1st, 2012 at 2:50 am
Comment From Abdullah
If Ron Bartell returns to form, do you think we’re better than last year with him and Spencer?
12:32
Steve Corkran:
If Bartell and Spencer play the way they did before last season, yes, the Raiders should be better off at cornerback. Again, that’s a huge if right now.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:52 am
Comment From Tony in NYC
In your opinion, do you see the Raiders actually taking a step back this season, in order to make strides forward in the long term? (as asked by Florio to Gutierrez)
12:33
Steve Corkran:
I don’t see them making a huge jump. Too many question marks, along with a new owner, new general manager, new coach, new defensive coordinator, etc. Could see them competing for the AFC West title.
12:33
Comment From jedicurt
does anyone have anything bad to say about Dennis Allen? I talked to a former University of Oklahoma player who played against him when he was at A&M and the guy had nothing but great things to say about him, talking about how he was a high class character guy on the field and always showed professionalism… is this the common consensus around the league as well?
12:34
Steve Corkran:
Not that I have come across. Receives raves from everyone I speak with about him, as well.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:54 am
Comment From Julian
Any word on Goethel? Healthy? Last regime seemed high on him.
12:37
Steve Corkran:
He is healthy once again. Third time’s a charm, he hopes. He has a chance to get significant playing time this season if he can stay healthy, especially if the Raiders play the 3-4.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:57 am
Comment From blanda
Who do you think will have a “break-out” year on defense?
12:43
Steve Corkran:
Matt Shaughnessy and Chimdi Chekwa.
SURE HOPE SO
May 1st, 2012 at 3:11 am
Comment From Dutch
Any practice squad players you predict could make the 53 Roster?
12:49
Steve Corkran:
Mason Brodine, Travis Ivey and Jamie Cumbie.
I’D ADD ALEX PARSONS C-G.
Cumbie is a really raw DT (as of last preseason) who can move his hands and feet simultaneously, more quick and explosive than fluid, and really needed some work in the weight room, but could be a run stuffer and pass swatter with development. Tall. Looks like a pure 4-3 DT. Arrested for beating up a guy half his size in college. Definitely intriguing guy, but I’d be rather surprised if he makes the roster. I heard he still looks “slim” per Semi’s who commented on his picture at mini camp. 6-7 290 with frame for 310-320
May 1st, 2012 at 3:17 am
What about Lonyae Miller at RB and the aforementioned Eddie McGee at WR. They were also on practice squad.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:19 am
Comment From Mark Alan Davis
Chances Eddie McGee is on the 53?
12:50
Steve Corkran:
Solid as of now. Yes, he is another one from the practice squad. Talented player with a load of potential.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:21 am
Comment From Roddy
Name a suprise player that earns a starting spot this year no one expects to
12:53
Steve Corkran:
David Ausberry, Chimdi Chekwa and DeMarcus Van Dyke are the top candidates.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:23 am
Comment From ticked off
can louis murphy bounce bck in to form frm a few yrs ago
12:56
Steve Corkran:
Yes, he can because he is young enough and talented enough. He just missed too much time early on last year and wasn’t able to bounce back.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:25 am
Comment From Ron Jensen, Spokane, WA
are the Raiders going to be the most penalized team in the NFL this season; or do we realistically have a shot of at least being out of the top 5?
1:02
Steve Corkran:
If so, Dennis Allen is going to run out of town some players. He isn’t the type to stand for boneheaded penalties, from what I’ve been told. Players are in for a huge wake-up call.
YEAH, WE SEMIS DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY
May 1st, 2012 at 4:42 am
Waddup Nation….up on the late night/early morn; however u wanna look at it.
Didn’t get to check in all weekend. Had a family reunion. Liking what I’ve read though while catching up. Criner, Bergstrom, & Burris are all gonna be studs. Surprised we didn’t take any DBs. DVD seems to still look a year or 2 away from being ready, and Chekwa acted like he couldn’t tough out any nicks to even step on the field. The vets will see A LOT of time I bet.
Can see the vision with the changes and additions, but for now, the D’s success is still gonna depend greatly on the health of Shaugnessy, with the current D-line personnel. Got my fingers crossed that the big fella can stay healthy.
Anyhow, fittin’ to get a few hours of zzzz b4 work.
Rack ‘em
May 1st, 2012 at 5:47 am
and Chekwa acted like he couldn’t tough out any nicks to even step on the field. The vets will see A LOT of time I bet.
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Not to be a d1ck or anything but I bet $100 you wouldn’t play tackle football with a seperated shoulder either.
May 1st, 2012 at 5:54 am
Regarding this 3-year deal with the punter thing, I have done a little research and it seems that most if not all UDFA’s sign 3 year deals.
Funny thing is, Raider Nation went so crazy with this Marquette King thing, you google “UDFA signs 3 year deal”, “contracts for UDFA + football” and all that stuff, and the top search results goes to different message boards talking about King’s 3 year deal and what it means to Lechler, lol.
May 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
@ Laker fans
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/30/hill-lakers.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
thoughts ??
May 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
Its probably a developmental deal. Swayze Waters had it the last 3 years…
May 1st, 2012 at 6:00 am
Good Morning Nation!!! I say by the end of the 3rd year, no one will know who this org is…except for us!
May 1st, 2012 at 6:03 am
150.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
@ Laker fans
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/30/hill-lakers.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
thoughts ??
It always happens right during playoff time or when said person becomes known…not too worried about this! Also, I thought this was about any signifigance!
May 1st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Now that the draft is over, time to give a round of applause to our blog GM staff for our draft work.
Our Scouting Dept:
-Young American killed it, as usual, with his draft research. Everyone benefits from his draft research and projections
-Raider O did his thing, producing research and most importantly, playing both sides of the argument to make sure everyone is looking at all sides of the debate. Well done, sir
-Armond……..well, that one didn’t work out so well. Good thing though Nation, even though we haven’t seen him in months, he is alive, as I still see the occasional Golden Corral lunch being expensed to his account
-Edward Teach led the staff. I will go with the talk lightly but carry a big stick approach for him. His few words carry lots of weight
And than of course, our big cheese in the Salary Cap/Acct dept, Raider Rockstar, got his bean-count on and managed a list of potential draft picks from ALL the blog contributors.
Congrats are in order men.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:13 am
JON KINGDON OUT..I THOUGHT THE SCOUTING DEP’T DIED LAST OCTOBER..
May 1st, 2012 at 6:16 am
I’d love to know the real reason Kingdon was let go. As of right now, in my ignorant state, Im not a fan of this move.
Especially if its just to bring his own guy in. Lateral moves like that make no sense to me.
And as for post #5, no Eddie Mcgee on that WR list? He’s going to make the team. No doubt about it.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:18 am
What JFB? No mention of me?
May 1st, 2012 at 6:18 am
33 years is long enough, even if you are the best in the biz, IMO.
Besides, The Reggie clearly stated that this would happen TO THE PRESS, so I am sure that a man of his couth told Mr. Kingdon that this was happening, probably months in advance.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:18 am
I guess my last minute show up to the staff doesnt count for much ahhaha
May 1st, 2012 at 6:20 am
Riff,
While you certainly made waves killing it on draft day, the Semi-Pro staff was assembled with looking at the entire resume over the years.
Although, I do like the idea of having a staff member abroad, so I can have someone on the clock at all hours PST, lol.
And there may be a position available on the staff next year………
May 1st, 2012 at 6:22 am
hahaha no worries JFB.
if i eventually do earn a spot, i like the idea of being the foreign consultant. im not so much a judge of talent or scout per say. im better at setting up the board for what positions we need to draft in. i’ll leave the player evaluations to Raider O and YA, they were on point.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:23 am
And as far as my role as blog GM, while the draft didn’t really coincide with my prior postings and desires, remember I have an assistant GM in Raider Dell and head of organizational operations Bob Marley, who carry quite a bit of influence.
This draft had there fingerprints all over it. I gave them a year, if it doesn’t work out, it’s back to DB’s and 40 times!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 6:25 am
Joey Clinkscales in, Jon Kingdon out
no surprise…
“Reggie is gonna gut this place” – Hue Jackson
coaching staff? check!
roster? check!
scouting dept? check!
May 1st, 2012 at 6:26 am
im not so much a judge of talent or scout per say. im better at setting up the board for what positions we need to draft in.
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With a little cash-infusion, I would be ready to add a position to the department potentially.
We can call it Director of value analysis.
I will set up an interview with our department head.
Don’t worry, pissing in a cup is not required.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:28 am
I’m starting to think knapp is clueless, why did Houston get rid of him? T. Pryor is a Cam Newton clone, don’t bring in these clowns to hinder his development. This guy is the real deal, he just needs playing time. I totally respect the guys at nflpost! Check out their scouting report on Pryor.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pryor-found-a-good-situation-in-Oakland.html
May 1st, 2012 at 6:29 am
@JFB (blog GM)
Reggie drafted ZERO db’s
you called our secondary the worst in the league just days prior to the draft, called them a collective “turd sandwich” , didn’t you?
whats the plan now? Andre Goodman? wait for a few players with starting experience to be released from other teams? any undrafted kids catch your eye?
May 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
My staff likes what we have in place, and there was not good value at CB whenver we chose.
We are apparently going with the better offense + better pass rush + better coaching = better secondary approach.
Sounded reasonable enough.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:40 am
Man some the posters here are couch football analyst! Some I assume never played the game and haven’t any sense of who can play and who can’t! Chimdi was the steal of last years draft! He nearly shut down Plex and was making plays when he was on the field , those vets will not play ahead of him! Keep this post! The kid will be a starter and is a future all pro or top 100 player!
May 1st, 2012 at 6:42 am
@JFB
were you tempted to go after Omar Bolden, Coty Sensabaugh, Brandon Boykin or Ron Brooks at #95 ???
Josh Norman, DeQuan Menzie, Chris Greenwood or Shaun Prater at #129 ???
Asa Jackson, Jeremy Lane, Keith Tandy, Mike Harris or Isaiah Frey with picks #158 & #168 ???
Jonte Green, Nate Ebner, Richard Crawford, Jordan Bernstine, Greg McCoy or Alfonzo Dennard at #189 ???
Antonio Allen, Trevin Wade or Terrence Frederick at #230 ???
None of these DB’s could be considered BPA when we were on the clock ??
May 1st, 2012 at 6:45 am
We are apparently going with the better offense + better pass rush + better coaching = better secondary approach.
Exactly how a proper team is built. I think Bob Marley is going to be getting a promotion at the end of the season. He’s one of my fav members of this board. His work is solid.
And dont worry about the cash infusion. A 10 win season will sell out every game again. I suggest with the extra money, brining in AIG and NY Chris to the staff.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:47 am
#5 “Prospects like Eddie McGee and Derek Carrier are raw, but have a lot of upside.”
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You have Carrier as a WR but this guy is 6-3 240 if he can block a little he could be a TE prospect. I think a guy like this makes the roster over Calhoun or Gordon.
I also think Bergstrom beats out Carlisle and is even penciled in now as the starting LG. I also think Berris will compete for time along the entire line backing corps and not beat out Curry. Finally if they do sign Lienhart he is the 2nd QB. Pryor is 3rd until he proves otherwise in Pre-season. I like Pryor and he may become our Steve McNair someday but right now he is raw as can be. Otherwise largely agree. I would take your analysis over the NFLN “truck” or BSPN talking heads any day. At least we are familiar with the team and what is going on.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:48 am
I think Bob Marley is going to be getting a promotion at the end of the season. He’s one of my fav members of this board. His work is solid.
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@Riff
Marley is an awesome dude, but JFB & Reggie didn’t even consider a TE at #95.
He needs to have a little faith in the fearsome foursome: Myers, Gordon, Ausberry & Hardy
May 1st, 2012 at 6:49 am
Chargerschoke Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 6:28 am
I’m starting to think knapp is clueless, why did Houston get rid of him? T. Pryor is a Cam Newton clone, don’t bring in these clowns to hinder his development. This guy is the real deal, he just needs playing time. I totally respect the guys at nflpost! Check out their scouting report on Pryor.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pryor-found-a-good-situation-in-Oakland.html
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That article is from last August. I would trust the up-close-and-personal evaluations of John DeFilippo, Al Saunders, Greg Knapp, Dennis Allen, Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson (who put him in for all of ONE PLAY last season) a lot more.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:50 am
if they do sign Lienhart he is the 2nd QB. Pryor is 3rd until he proves otherwise
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what??
Leinart is a 1st round bust. Has no talent. He’s being considered because he knows Knapp’s offense and he’s probably a better option than Bomar.
Pryor > Matty Douche 24/7
May 1st, 2012 at 6:52 am
174.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 6:50 am
if they do sign Lienhart he is the 2nd QB. Pryor is 3rd until he proves otherwise
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what??
Leinart is a 1st round bust. Has no talent. He’s being considered because he knows Knapp’s offense and he’s probably a better option than Bomar.
Pryor > Matty Douche 24/7
What about career back up Sorgi?
May 1st, 2012 at 6:53 am
I have exciting news for the 99% of you that hang in this shelter. As you know I attend every game at home and travel to a couple a year, (this year going to Miami again and also San Diego). I am setting up a really impressive blog, with video and pics links, as well as a story on the game day experience, the tailgating and row 1 experience. I of course as you know have the best tailgate parties, have friends that have awesome ones too that Brien and I always go to, and I of course have row 1 seats in the most primo location. So, will publish here all the URL info when the season starts, feel free to comment. The 1% of you who dont live in this shelter and actually leave the house in the daytime and attend games, well youre of course welcome to check out the blog as well. Raider Nation.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:53 am
I would trust the up-close-and-personal evaluations of John DeFilippo, Al Saunders, Greg Knapp, Dennis Allen, Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson (who put him in for all of ONE PLAY last season) a lot more.
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@Duck
Hue’s opinion of anybody who played for the Raiders means squat imo. He’s an asst ST coach in Cincy now
Saunders just got demoted, too.
You have no idea what those other guys think of Pryor, except that they want to give him the opportunity to be #2 QB
May 1st, 2012 at 6:54 am
What about career back up Sorgi?
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same thing. a clipboard holder. camp arm
if this guy has to start any games, we’re screwed!
May 1st, 2012 at 6:55 am
Rockstar,
Are you saying that Bob was calling to pick a TE with our #95 pick?
I think JFB was saying that Bob’s hands were all over this draft, meaning, we got the guys he wanted. But if he was pushing for a TE then that is news to me, I missed that day.
Fill me in on what youre refering too.
May 1st, 2012 at 6:59 am
Not that I am a big Linehart fan but when he came in for that game until his soldier was hurt he was playing really well last year.
You are not going to install Pryor as the 2nd with exactly one play experience in the NFL!!! He may well beat out Lienhart in the Preseason (which I hope he does) but why can’t you Pryor lovers see that he is extremely raw at this point. By the way I think Pryor could be the next McNair but he needs a lot of work.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:01 am
Rockstar,
Leinart is cheap
He can run the offense
He is accurate
He can spell an injured Palmer for a couple quarters
Those are pretty much facts would you not agree?
I believe that Leinart can also keep us as a .500 ballclub if Palmer were to go down for any amount of games. We have a very strong run game. Leinart only needs to pass when needed and mostly out of the play action, of which, he is a good play action QB. The guy is a vet with a good football IQ.
Personally, I dont care who is named the #2 or #3. I think its just a phantom title. I think that it needs to be a situational decision on who comes in in the event that Palmer goes down. If our running game is good, bring in Leinart. If the running game was already struggling, go with Pryor as he could add another dimension and make the D think. And quite frankly, if our running game doesnt have it that game, what the hell do we have to lose, Pryor couldnt make it any worse.
No matter what, playcalling will be more important than personel. We gave away the KC game at home due to some horrendous play calling, by a guy in Hue, that is normally a VERY good playcaller. That game couldnt have been worse played on his part and largely cost him the season and his job.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:03 am
Rockstar,
Are you saying that Bob was calling to pick a TE with our #95 pick?
I think JFB was saying that Bob’s hands were all over this draft, meaning, we got the guys he wanted. But if he was pushing for a TE then that is news to me, I missed that day.
Fill me in on what youre refering too.
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Who had Bergstrom down??? I did not think he would fall that far. When you have to consider how far someone can fall and the GM is saying he will pick BPA if you did pick Bergstrom you were more lucky than good. No one did as far as I know. I did think Alameda might fall and that’s who I picked but with all the issues he had he kept falling right through us.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:04 am
1980 is right. Leinart was playing good. When he has had time in his career to get some momentum, he’s looked like anything but a bust. He lost his job to a lights out Kurt Warner. Most QB’s would have been benched for KW.
And 1980 is also right about Prior. He needs another 2-3 years of development before he is even a rookie by NFL standards. Ohio St did him no favors. All the Gut and DA want to see is steady improvement and they will stick with Prior. He doesnt need to be polished right away. Just show progress.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:07 am
1960, I didnt pick Bergstrom but I did call for a OLineman. Had a pretty gnarly debate going with the GM JFB about it on draft day. No luck about it, I posted all my reasoning out in the open and took some heat for it but I stood by my convictions. AD would have been proud.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:15 am
This is probably been said.
But the cam newton under armor commercial is pretty good
DMAC needs one
May 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
He is accurate. he was playing really well last year
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Riff & AW
Leinart only attempted 13 passes in TWO YEARS with the Texans!
Also, his overall completion percentage is 57% and thats throwing to guys like Larry Fitzgerald & Anquan Bolden
If he’s such a great player, how come nobody wants him? Nobody else wanted him when Houston signed him the first time to a 1-year contract. or the following year when he re-signed for another year.
He’s made no visits with any other NFL team. No other team has even expressed interest. Pretty sad, I mean, even Kyle Boller got a tryout with Baltimore.
Keep the trash where it belongs … the unemployment line!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Im not saying he’s “great”
I am saying that he is a quality backup. Not going to bother debating #2 or #3 position, see my reasoning above.
I think he is an upgrade over Boller for sure. I simply dont expect that much from a backup QB.
Do you have a better suggestion than Leinart? Im all ears.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:21 am
He lost his job to a lights out Kurt Warner. Most QB’s would have been benched for KW.
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Leinart has had his opportunities. He’s started 11 games. In those games he has 20 INT’s and fumbled 11 times
Also been sacked 29 times and has a QB Rating of 71
Give me Pryor!!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:21 am
Id rather have billy volek
May 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
I agree leinart played well until he hurt his shoulder.
Can he lead us to the playoffs if CP got hurt. With a healthy DMAC
Absolutely
May 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Im sure this is old but. Jirdan hill chocked out his girlfriend and could do 10 yrs in a houston jail.. Dum bass
May 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
#Raiders firing long-time scout Jon Kingdon one of two most questionable moves this offseason. Very good scout, great person.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
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Pretty obvious ? Not to me.
I’m guessing Cork isn’t referring to firing Herrera or cutting Kam or Stan.
Probably isn’t the hiring of RM.
So that leaves what ?
Hiring Dennis Allen ?
Is that it Steve ?
If you’ve got any backbone or journalistic integrity, you’ll state what the other move you consider to be questionable is – and articulate why you feel that way.
Quit beating around the bush, Steve.
Anyone else know what Steve is hinting at ?
May 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am
@Mark
Billy Volek is 36 years old. not sure if thats what we’re looking for
Bomar is 26. Leinart is 28. Sorgi is 31
May 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
A definately an upgrade over boller
That’s for sure. Is he good as CP. No
That’s y he’s a backup
Pryor will not be ready for #2 this season.
Print that!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:28 am
Jon Kingdon & John Herrera = Raider soldiers!!
they will be missed, as will Al Davis
but as Al once said “the greatness of the Raiders is in it’s future”
2012 Raiders = 12-4
May 1st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Agreed RR
May 1st, 2012 at 7:32 am
Raider Riff Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 7:07 am
1960, I didnt pick Bergstrom but I did call for a OLineman. Had a pretty gnarly debate going with the GM JFB about it on draft day. No luck about it, I posted all my reasoning out in the open and took some heat for it but I stood by my convictions. AD would have been proud.
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That is pretty insightful! I was calling for an interior lineman but was more focused on Center as I knew we had little or no depth there. I also did not want to lose Wiz as a possible all pro guard.
With Bergstrum available at that slot – no way they were going to go with the Best Center available. I actually thought though that Alameda was going to get picked (because of his issues) would drop to us and we would take him to replace Henderson. I am glad to be wrong and happy we now have a starting guard instead of a backup at that pick.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:34 am
Why are so many Raider fans down on Pryor and up on Leinart?
weird. We’ve never even seen Pryor play for Oakland
it’s like saying we should go out and sign vet O-Liner Kirk Chambers in free agency because Bergstrom isn’t that good, isn’t ready, doesn’t have experience, too green, bla bla bla
Here’s the bio on Chambers per Roto:
Falcons signed T/G Kirk Chambers.
Chambers has 14 starts, mostly of the desperation variety, in 67 games since 2004. He hasn’t played a snap since the 2009 season, so the Falcons have to hope he’s not needed beyond depth purposes.
Tue, Oct 25, 2011
2012 = Free Agent
Pretty much the same as Matt Leinart!!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
RRS… thank you sir for your draft list and the amount of time and effort that went into it.
STRONG WORK SIR !!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
R8dercain Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
I agree leinart played well until he hurt his shoulder.
Can he lead us to the playoffs if CP got hurt. With a healthy DMAC
Absolutely
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That is the point! I do not think Pryor could at this point. Remember that Lienhart in college made a living dumping off to full backs and using deception (play action). He was also good at running and thowing bootlegs. Reece would also be a big part of offense if that happened. I hope though that Cp
May 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
thanks Mike, appreciate that
May 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am
RRS.. it made the draft more intresting for me, kinda like a little competion between friends. not much excitement having our first pick at the end of the 3rd round without it !! my hat is off to you brother !!
ROCK ON !!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am
RR. Why whould we care how old the backup is? We already have a developmental qb in tp.. We just need a guy who can win if he has to play 3 games.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Bergstrom = Dell influence
May 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Leinart only attempted 13 passes in TWO YEARS with the Texans!
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I make this point and we’ve still got a handful of people saying Leinart was a great player for Houston, LOL
why wasn’t he re-signed? prefect system fit, right??
TJ Yates, rookie 5th rounder from last season was better than him. Now they just signed undrafted QB Case Keenum from the University of Houston as #3 QB
May 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
#199 Not down on Pryor – I think he may someday be better than Cam but he does not have that much experience and needs Preseason snaps maybe two preseasons worth and some wildcat plays during the regular season. This guy is young and raw but has natural abilities that are off the chart.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Why whould we care how old the backup is? We already have a developmental qb in tp.. We just need a guy who can win if he has to play 3 games.
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@Mark
good point. signing Volek would be like the Jets having Mark Brunell the past 2 years. more like another QB Coach than a 1st round bust you’re trying to fix
May 1st, 2012 at 7:46 am
Why did they not sign Lienhardt
1. The other backup is younger and showed he can run offense and he is cheaper on a rookie contract.
2. With starter coming back, why would a cap strapped team have two #2’s. Why not get another developmental QB cheaper.
It may have little to do with how they feel about ML. Remember ML is a backup not a starter.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Also not saying Lienhart was a great player – he is a backup and I think better than Boller and ready to play that’s it. I am glad we did not draft him years ago.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
you guys already have your minds made up about Pryor and it’s sad. must be some other issue than his play. kid was a winner in college.
racism is still alive in 2012, right Kell?
May 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
It may have little to do with how they feel about ML. Remember ML is a backup not a starter.
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if the starter goes down, then HE is your starter .
May 1st, 2012 at 7:49 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Also not saying Lienhart was a great player – he is a backup and I think better than Boller and ready to play that’s it. I am glad we did not draft him years ago.
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agree 100%
May 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
AW,
Houston gave out some pretty rich contracts to Arian Foster & Chris Myers this offseason, but they couldn’t afford to pay Leinart the vet minimum ??
LOL!!
May 1st, 2012 at 7:55 am
Leinart = Peter McNeely
He’s just here for Pryor to beat someone out and compete.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:55 am
I just want the best back ups possible. If we miss the playoffs by 1 game. Because the #2 went 0 for 3, im gonna be pizzed.
May 1st, 2012 at 7:56 am
These days you need 2 good QB’s. Thats why you have guys like Orton & Campbell making millions or Bulger when he signed with Baltimore a few years ago.
You guys admit you don’t want Leinart starting.. well, what if Palmer gets hurt?
AW states Houston is cash strapped. so are we!!
Yates is on a rookie contract, so is Pryor!!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am
whats the difference between Leinart & Bomar?
2 years experience in Knapp’s offense?
Jeff Garcia has 5 years experience with Greg Knapp in SF, plus another 6-8 weeks when he signed with Houston late last season …
Marks Hair said he doesn’t mind older QB’s. Garcia is 42 and he has 2 more Pro Bowls than Carson Palmer!!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am
new post
May 1st, 2012 at 8:03 am
Liono is weak. If tp cant beat him then move him to wr.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Matt Leinart isn’t taking the Raids to the playoffs.
So Matt Leinart knows Knapps offense. Big deal.
Matt Leinart stinks. His arm is way too weak to succeed in the NFL. Not talking about marginally weak, talking about pathetically weak.
Matt Leinart will not win games for the Raiders.
If CP goes down the Raids are better served finding out what TP can do than wasting a minute of time on Matt Leinart.
NO TO MATTY LICE.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:08 am
Rockstar,
We are not DOWN on Pryor. He is just very raw. Ohio St did not do anything to develop him. They stunted him. But despite that, Im pro Pryor because he works hard and has talent, what more could I ask for in a player? DHB has turned out pretty good with that sort of combination.
And Im not UP on Leinart. I just think its far too soon to judge a guy who’s only started 11 games. What did Gannon look like after his first 11 games? See my point. These guys need time.
And I love the post by Raider99. Way to call out Corky for his behavior. Answer the damn question Cork! Quit beating around the bush. You got something to complain about, then do it. Stop with the vague tweets. #spineless
May 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
If Garcia is still in game shape and wants to play, I would not be against bringing him in at all.
I believe in having one QB that you develop for the future, and the other needs to be a Vinny Testaverde type vet that can hold the clip board and hand the ball off if he comes in.
Leinart & Pryor or Garcia & Pryor. Im content with either. But so far, Garcia is the first name Ive heard suggested that made sense.
I dont care how old Garcia is. We dont need that position filled long term. Just two more seasons and then Pryor will be a serviceable backup and we can start developing our next guy.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
So is Matt lieghnheart a raider or still fa ?????
May 1st, 2012 at 11:28 am
I don’t like Matt! never did or his ballroom dancing! I woud take anyone with his potential over him even if he knows the Offence he is just like Gradkowski and any other Injury-pron/Non-durable QB!Beat out who? I want someone with heart and duribility!Got to be a healthy guy out there!
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:34 am
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could be higher
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May 4th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
debt sen
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May 4th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
degree
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May 4th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
350 billion
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May 4th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
at times
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