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NFL Network: Kingdon out

The Raiders have fired longtime scout Jon Kingdon, according to the NFL Network.

Kingdon, 58, has been with the Raiders for 33 years and participated in the 2012 draft which brought in six new players.

Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie said upon the hiring of coach Dennis Allen that any changes to the scouting staff would not happen until after the draft.

According to a recent New York Daily News report, Joey Clinkscales, a personnel executive with the New York Jets and a high school and college teammate of McKenzie, was expected to be let go and possibly join the Raiders.

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  • backstageatapuppetshow

    “A true friend stabs you in the front.”

    Oscar Wilde

  • alex7

    JRuss couldn’t hit a wide-open receiver to seal the win vs Philly a few years back.

    I mean perfect play-action play-call, D bites, 4th and 1, receiver open downfield for easy game-icing TD, Russell throws a two-hopper at his feet. Thing bounced twice before arriving at his feet. Think about that.

    The guy just didn’t have it. No excuses (other than the drank accelerating his sucktitude rate). Didn’t put in the work.

    Give me Donald Hollas over that mess.

  • Hardline

    Aig-Raiders,

    Dumb,,,,just way too dumb……same as Slowando!

  • DJ Johnny

    To the outsider, this Kingdon firing may look like Reggie didn’t like the grades he received in his first draft, so he promptly fires the head scout in an effort to defer the blame.

    Of course we know better…

  • Hardline

    Alex7,

    All I remember is JMR flippin darts into the dirt at 5 ft. in front of his receivers in our opening game against SD. That was the game ref’s ruled Murphy’s TD a no catch.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Who here is an OUTSIDER?

  • DJ Johnny

    Doesn’t it suck when you find out the person you admired for being a sound minded, even keeled mentor turns out to be a hopeless deviant who is into auto-erotic asphyxiation?

  • joker94583

    33 years is WAY too long! Keep spraying that Febreze Reggie! Get the stank out of the building!

  • alzadoX

    aig-raiders Says:
    April 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Alzado,

    Rest assured it was Reggie that fired Hue and Kingdon as well. Reggie is bringing his own guys in. Given the way we all see how RM operates, there is no way Hubris was going to be here. Reggie wants everyone on the same page and do you really think Hubris would ever NOT backstab Reggie?

    *****

    Cork stated as fact on one of the live chats that it was in fact Mark that decided to dump Hue–in late 2011. Cork said he couldn’t give details. I don’t think Cork would write that if it weren’t fact, whatever your opinion of Cork I don’t think he puts out false factual info

    No I don’t think Hue could co exist with Reggie Mac successfully.

    While I think Hue has his strong points, his weak points are more potent. I lost faith in him after he seemed ungrounded and opportunistic after AD died, then not benching Romac, late season collapse, and the end of year press conference left no doubt in my mind he should go. But there were valid points supporting giving him another year as well

    I believe that Reggie Mac is probably a major if not the major factor that pushed Kingdon out the door, and if Clinkscales is hired, almost certain

  • alzadoX

    Steve Corkran ‏ @CorkOnTheNFL

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    Mark Davis is the one who fired coach Hue Jackson. Firing of long-time scout Jon Kingdon is one Reggie McKenzie actually can take credit for

  • aig-raiders

    Hardline Says:
    April 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Aig-Raiders,

    Dumb,,,,just way too dumb……same as Slowando!
    ———–
    I might get killed by some of my friends from the South on here but (I’ll try to be PC) the level of articulation required in that area is not the same as in other parts of the country. Life is a lot slower down there and your environment shapes who you are in some ways too.

  • DJ Johnny

    I thought the end of year press conference Hue gave was a good reason why he should stay.

    It was “a joke”.

    He spoke the truth.

    That being said, i’m still excited about the new regime.

    I did like Hue’s passion and I think he tried his best.

  • aig-raiders

    Alzado
    Sure it was Mark that technically told Hue he was fired but imho Reggie had to make it clear he was goign to get his own coach during the interview. Any smart GM would want that. RM may not be a public speaker but his moves so far have shown the man is pretty sharp.

  • DJ Johnny

    What I mean to say about Hue is i’d rather hear what he said than hear worn out cliches like “we just didn;t get it done” or :guys gave it their all and it just wasn;t enough. You gotta tip your cap to San Diego” etc. etc. etc.

    That defensive showing was pathetic and he shares some of the blame imo, but…they SHOULD have been called out for that effort.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    The coaching staff is to blame for our lack of a playoff season last year….not the players…

    I have inside knowledge of this FACT.

    I do not agree that Coach Jackson should have been fired…but that was not my decision.

  • alzadoX

    J. Garcia ‏ @EL_TACO_NACO

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    @CorkOnTheNFL why wait till right after draft to fire scout? Coward move
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    11:47 PM – 30 Apr 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details

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    2m Steve Corkran Steve Corkran ‏ @CorkOnTheNFL

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    “@Romo_BeThe_Name: @CorkOnTheNFL Hubert the other one?” — Don’t recall that Hubert guy you speak of. No, in other words.
    3m Steve Corkran Steve Corkran ‏ @CorkOnTheNFL

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    “@Hahahabro: @CorkOnTheNFL Wait so you think Hue was the first questionable move?” — Hue who?

    ****

    J GARCIA –WOULD YOU HAVE FIRED HIM RIGHT BEFORE THE DRAFT? If you’re gonna fire him, now’s the right time.

    Not to say I necessarily agree (or disagree) with firing him at all. Don’t know how good or bad he was. Pretty sure it was AD in his old age that drafted under best-40-yard-dash-timer-available theory.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Coach Jackson should have become more familiar with the Defensive Side of the ball instead of blaming that side of the ball.

    He was essentially upset with himself and his lack of knowledge of defensive football and chose to blame the Defensive Coaches.

    If we had a Coach with knowledge of every facet of the game we wouldn’t have had this problem….but in the NFL….very few of these Coaches exist.

    Most specialize in one area..instead of the ALL the concepts as a whole….

    Coach Jackson was an example of this…and was chosen accordingly…

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    The last 25 years were dismal. Either Kingdon was party to Al’s poor personnel decisions, or he didn’t speak up and intervene against them. Best case scenario he was spineless. No loss.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    The Raiders are not interested in hiring a Coach with these qualities.

    Instead of setting the bar, we follow it!

  • Just Win Baby

    Kingdon was probably the guy sitting in the meetings whining “If Mr. Davis were still here, he would do things this way….” Guess what? Mr Davis ain’t here no mo. At least that’s what all my high profile Raiders insiders tell me at our secret meetings before I logon to the blog. LMFAO

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Herrera out. Scouts on the way out. All of Al’s cabal is falling like toy soldiers. Beautiful.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    I’m In

    Code Black

    2012 slogan: Stink Be Gone!

  • alzadoX

    April 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    The coaching staff is to blame for our lack of a playoff season last year….not the players…

    I have inside knowledge of this FACT.

    I do not agree that Coach Jackson should have been fired…but that was not my decision.

    ****

    I know we had problems with coaching last year, but FACTS:

    We had a defense that opened the season with Quentin Groves starting at WSLB, CB Chris Johnson coming off surgery backed by two raw and injured rookies to relieve him and play nickel corner, and players like that 40-yard-dash CB Porter, LB Bruce Davis III, SS Jerome Boyd, and LB Darryl Blackstock on the opening day roster. + opinion -very few if any real difference makers on defense

    how can you say that players/ personnel had nothing to do with our problems?

  • priesttj

    If Reggie eventually gets fired he’ll have himself to blame as well. He just cut one of the most respected scouts in the league who knew the league and was damn good. Hiring friends to cover your backside isn’t always the best thing. Hopefully Clinkscale is all Reggie thinks he is.

    Jon knew everybody and there are other things he did unbeknownst to Mr Davis that helped the org. He was probably the most media friendly guy in that biulding and the media trusted what he told them was true. That’s why Cork is pissed. I can say that stuff now because Mr davis is gone and so is Jon…..nobody can get hurt.

  • Violent Hands

    Kingdon, 58, has been with the Raiders for 33 years
    —–

    Kingdom obviously wasnt the one who scouted Reggie back in the day then ,no sympathy here

  • alzadoX

    Steve Corkran ‏ @CorkOnTheNFL

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    “@RaidersBlog: @CorkOnTheNFL Holding out on that other move you think is questionable?” — Already mentioned it several times.

    *****

    maybe a new coaching staff with maybe the least experience in NFL history

    but hey if it works, these guys have fresh ideas, creativity, smarts, and energy

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Funny how many of you love the recommendation for Reggie McKenzie from John Madden and Ron Wolf…two people who worked for Mr. Davis….

    and yet many of you laugh at others who worked for him…

    Many of you should look yourselves in the mirror and ask yourself…Who AM I?

    Why the need to blame?

    Is it because it’s your way of separating yourself from the lack of success of the team for so long.

    I have been extremely harsh of Reggie McKenzie and will continue to search for ways in which he displeases me….if and only because no one else will do it…and someone should look at the other side of the coin…

    I might be a minority of ONE, but the truth is the truth.

    Reggie McKenzie is nothing more then a man getting paid handsomely to do a job….he is not loyal to anything or anyone but the money….he way competing against us just months ago….

    If he is going to win…he is going to earn it…I can promise you that!

    I doubt he has what it takes, but I also hope I’m wrong.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mcE5Iv0hVQ&feature=related

  • alzadoX

    I have been extremely harsh of Reggie McKenzie and will continue to search for ways in which he displeases me….if and only because no one else will do it…and someone should look at the other side of the coin…

    If he is going to win…he is going to earn it…I can promise you that!

    I doubt he has what it takes, but I also hope I’m wrong.

    ****

    No problem. I have a pretty good amount of faith in Reggie Mac myself but skepticism is certainly warranted until he proves himself and always welcome–in fact necessary–for a vibrant discussion here

    Really most of Reggie’s moves re: player personnel so far are pretty much by the book. Bold moves in the future will need to be made, and will critical to his/Raiders success or failure

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Well said…I agree

  • alzadoX

    Hiring friends to cover your backside isn’t always the best thing. Hopefully Clinkscale is all Reggie thinks he is.

    ****

    if Reggie Mac is hiring yes-men that’s not encouraging. But many people believe that anyone still around from AD days is as likely to be a yes-man (to AD) as anyone Reggie Mac brings in. I don’t feel like I’m in a position to make these judgements about front office people.

    whoever is doing the hiring & firing , you should have people working for you who will challenge your opinion at times

  • alzadoX

    I do wonder a little myself about the God Squad factor with the new Reggime

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    At all times…up until they agree!

  • priesttj

    Agreed. I think those people will have the freedom to speak up I just think they’re people he’s comfortable with no indictment there. I would do the same thing.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    I would not be cleaning house in the building.

    To me, that is not leadership. Leadership is gathering everyone together and saying here is the plan, if anyone has a problem with it, take a hike.

    Leaders don’t create followers, they create more leaders!

  • alzadoX

    priesttj Says:
    May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am
    He was probably the most media friendly guy in that biulding and the media trusted what he told them was true. That’s why Cork is pissed.

    ****

    good chance–I already mentioned possibility before, but how do you know for sure why Cork is pissed?

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    A leader can lead anyone….he doesn’t have to search for the right type of people to lead….

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    A leader leads by his example.

    Firing people who were working for the business for 33 years is not a sound business decision…..PERIOD

  • RaiderRetribution

    right now Bohmar is signed and on the roster, leinhart is not; therefore nix post #5.

  • alzadoX

    Sullivan44 Says:
    April 30th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    The last 25 years were dismal. Either Kingdon was party to Al’s poor personnel decisions, or he didn’t speak up and intervene against them. Best case scenario he was spineless. No loss.

    *****

    that may be a credible scenario, but best case scenario is that he was behind some of the good decisions and pushed back vs. Al’s 40 yard dash tunnel vision. Maybe Jon supported Gruden/Allen personnel moves. But those were mostly with vets, so I doubt that’s a big factor. But I/we really don’t know, do we?

    Any scout who didn’t/wouldn’t/couldn’t move on to another team under the dysfunctional conditions at Raiders HQ is suspect in my book, and probably an AD yes man. Ronnie Wolf moved on, Madden moved on, Allen moved on, etc.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    And some remained loyal to the man who afforded them the opportunity!

  • alzadoX

    Sullivan44 Says:
    April 30th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Herrera out. Scouts on the way out. All of Al’s cabal is falling like toy soldiers. Beautiful.

    ****

    the old cabal are all suspect to me, but I’ll stop short of guilt by association.

    time will tell if we’re better off. Hard to imagine being worse

    Do you mean biz side as well as football side?

  • alzadoX

    backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 am

    A leader leads by his example.

    Firing people who were working for the business for 33 years is not a sound business decision…..PERIOD

    ****

    sometimes firing people is necessary or desirable.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    They could have asked him to resign….or not offered him another contract once the time came….

    Firing a man with that kind of a resume only reflects poorly on Reggie and the Raider organization….IMO

  • alzadoX

    priesttj Says:
    May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am

    priesttj Says:
    May 1st, 2012 at 12:08 am

    He just cut one of the most respected scouts in the league who knew the league and was damn good. .

    Jon knew everybody and there are other things he did unbeknownst to Mr Davis that helped the org. He was probably the most media friendly guy in that biulding and the media trusted what he told them was true.

    ****

    if Kingdon is well respected around the league I’m sure he’ll get hired to higher level position than he had in Oakland. Maybe that’s even why he’s leaving, he got a better job but the NFL network got things twisted. Who knows. I doubt that the NFL network would be too mixed up about it.

  • alzadoX

    backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    May 1st, 2012 at 12:50 am

    They could have asked him to resign….or not offered him another contract once the time came….

    Firing a man with that kind of a resume only reflects poorly on Reggie and the Raider organization….IMO

    ****

    I’m sure Cork and the other beat writers will press Reggie Mac for his side of the story, I’ll be very interested in it myself

  • alzadoX

    or not offered him another contract once the time came….

    No. Reggie Mac is charged with doing what’s best for the Raiders, not being nice to Jon Kingdon.

    Clearly now is the best time to make changes in college scouting staff.

    No one questioned earlier when Reggie Mac said changes to scouting staff would be made after the draft. Now because some people’s buddy appears out, they question it.

    I already mentioned that J Garcia’s tweet that the timing is cowardly makes no sense to me whatsoever

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    I would love to hear that the story is incorrect….that would make me happy…

  • alzadoX

    Vittorio Tafur ‏ @VittorioTafur

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    McKenzie had said he was going to wait until after Draft to make changes to #Raiders scouting department. It’s after Draft. Kingdon fired

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    DIDN’T HEAR ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH REGGIE ON THIS UNTIL SOME PEOPLE’S BUDDY GOT FIRED

    timing is right on … for Raider’s best interests

    whether the right decision was made, I don’t know, but the timing is spot on.

    I suspect the decision is pretty good, too

  • alzadoX

    backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    May 1st, 2012 at 12:59 am

    I would love to hear that the story is incorrect….that would make me happy…

    ****

    who knows? the story with John Herrera was a little different than originally reported.

    in the modern day media world, exaggeration rules

    I’m sure there’s more to it than has been reported.

  • alzadoX

    Jerry McDonald ‏ @Jerrymcd

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    Here’s the thing regarding the McKenzie-Allen Raiders: There’s a plan. And they’ll follow it. Have a good feeling about McKenzie era.