Raiders working out another veteran QB
By Steve Corkran
Monday, April 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders confirmed that they intend to take a look at veteran quarterback Matt Leinart at some point this week. On Monday, the agent for career backup quarterback Jim Sorgi said his client is auditioning for the Raiders on Tuesday.
Sorgi, 31, appeared in 16 games for the Indianapolis Colts from 2004-10, attempting only 29 passes in mop-up duty behind former starter Peyton Manning.
Sorgi hasn’t attempted a pass in a regular-season game since 2008. He played only once in 2009 and not at all the past two seasons.
ESPN and the NFL Network said Leinart’s signing with the Raiders as the backup to Carson Palmer is likely. Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie said Leinart is coming in so that the Raiders can evaluate the condition of the collarbone he broke last season. No signing is imminent.
Terrelle Pryor and Rhett Bomar are the other quarterbacks on Oakland’s roster right now, with Pryor being given a shot at succeeding Kyle Boller as the backup this season.
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April 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
boooyaaa
April 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Get this schit fixed!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I’ve seen Sorgi play effectively when Manning was being sat on weeks 16-17….
April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I wonder if we’ll kick the tires on John Beck while we’re at it.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I got 5 on it!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I wonder if we’ll kick the tires on John Beck while we’re at it.
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Kellen Clemens or A.J. Feeley, anyone?
Jeff Garcia has ties to Knapp!!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
i hope not Duck.. watched him try to play in D.C.
the guy sux !!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I don’t know if Sorgi can even throw the ball but he must have learned a lot playing with the forehead.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
So how many of these kids drafted actually make it in the NFL or have a successful career?
30%?
April 30th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
LOL @#8…
April 30th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
lol Carl, i wonder if they showed game film on that wide screen forehead !!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
You’d have to define your definition of succesful, DMAC…
April 30th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
JLofty Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
You’d have to define your definition of succesful, DMAC…
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A starter
April 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Has Wash already released Beck?
April 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
yes, he has been released JLofty
April 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I’m cool w/ TP and Leinhart as our back-ups. May the best QB win that #2 spot.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
lets sign a bunch of 1st round busts, in honor of the late great Al Davis.. not just Matt Leinart
Vince Young, JP Losman & Kyle Boller too!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Putting up productive #’s
April 30th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Why was there so much talk about this Burfict dude if he went in the 7th round? Was he a Bruce Campbell or V. Gholston?
April 30th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Update: Beck was cut by the Redskins on Saturday, NFL.com’s Michael Lombardi reports.
Recommendation: With the selection of Kirk Cousins in the fourth round of the draft, there was no reason at all to keep Beck around in Washington. It’s difficult to imagine any teams can delude themselves into thinking he’s a starter, like Mike Shanahan did.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
We should of signed (undrafted) Kellen Moore.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
your #3 QB is basically a clipboard holder ..
why not Jim Sorgi ??
Like G123 said, if Palmer goes out for the season we’re screwed anyway
April 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
lol…sorgi the savior…what a joke.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Some guys here saying Burris highlights are all of him going unblocked to the runner or QB.
Watch again. He’s getting blocked, he’s just blowing through ‘em so fast and effortlessly you don’t notice it the first time.
http://www,youtube.com/watch?v=YUlet8CQbGI
April 30th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
We should of signed (undrafted) Kellen Moore.
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@DMAC
Lions got him
April 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
DMAC Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
So how many of these kids drafted actually make it in the NFL or have a successful career?
30%?
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I was checking that out before the draft with 4th to 7th rounders and I figure 4th and 5th is about 25% and 6th to 7th near half that.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
http://www,youtube.com/watch?v=YVlet8CQbGI
*fixed.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I must say, aside from picking Burfict at #95 in the live chat (and even a few semi pro’s did that) Steve Corkran did an excellent job with draft updates, Q&A’s and articles
not surprised he unseated Jerry as blog pimp!!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUlet8CQbGI
*now fixed.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUlet8CQbGI
*now fixed.
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It’s video of Ron Bartell actually.
Meant it to be the Burris video.
I give up for now.
Sorry.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
DJ Johnny,
Don’t worry DJ. I believe Burris will be the seconding coming of Clay Mathews, whom Reggie also drafted for Green Bay.
Just wait and see.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Let’s give Jeff George another look.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VapULyU56To
Burris.
It’s become a quest at this point.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
31.Hardline Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
DJ Johnny,
Don’t worry DJ. I believe Burris will be the seconding coming of Clay Mathews, whom Reggie also drafted for Green Bay.
Just wait and see.
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Through hard work and stick-toit-iveness I finally posted the correct link.
I agree.
I just hope he gets a fair shot in camp to show what he can do and be rewarded if he shows he’s the real deal.
I’ll trust the powers that be to make that call though.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
The only real head scratcher for me regarding the draft was Big Reg selecting a wideout. I understand you have to replace Chaz and TJ but I think we have enough young wideouts. If anything sign a vet.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Regie drafted for depth, but actually some of these guys will unseat many starters…
I see Criner playing as a 3rd down/red zone type of receiver.
I see Christo Bilukidi pushing Seymour or kelly in the future and becoming a starter eventually… (I dont see Crawford being a starter, needs development IMO)…
Burris will send someone to the bench imediately, his highlight tape, he just stands out as a playmaker, very intense player… the Ravens wanted this guy, and they know linebackers…
Bergstrom looks good, but who knows, depth at OL…
I just wished Reggie had drafted a RB… McCfadden just cant be counted on because of his injuries, and when he goes down, so does the offense…
Big isuee right there that wasnt addresed on the draft…
April 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
kidseven Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Let’s give Jeff George another look.
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yeah we should invite him to camp just to remind him what a selfish loser he was and then cut him the next day. He had all the talent but could give a sh!t about winning. Let’s bring in Jeff Hostetler for another look!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The only real head scratcher for me regarding the draft was Big Reg selecting a wideout. I understand you have to replace Chaz and TJ but I think we have enough young wideouts. If anything sign a vet.
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thank you, HB
thats what i’m saying!!
April 30th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Juron Criner drafted means McGee & Calhoun must not have KILLED IT at the most recent 3 day camp … either that or somebody got “nicked”
April 30th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Not only did we draft a WR but we signed 2 or 3 UDFA WR’s as well. I’m excited about Criner…
April 30th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Does anyone know if Burris is faster than Matthews or stronger than him going by combine stats????
April 30th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Sorgi would be interesting since he played w/ the forehead and knows the forehead….and we play the forehead twice a year. May be able to offer some insights….smart move.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“nicked”
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I thought I heard that for the last time when Hue was sent packing lol
April 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Actually I think the Criner pick was a good one. he’s in the mold of Johnson from houston…body wise anyways. with some development he is prototypical for a #1 wideout.
And i don’t think reggie is trying out a 3rd string qb. pryor may not win that #2 spot in camp…never know though
April 30th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I think Murphy’s days are numbered. Maybe Reg and DA aren’t exactly thrilled with DHB either.
I don’t think any of the WR’s we had on our team were considered durable by any standard in the NFL.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
filobedo Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Sorgi would be interesting since he played w/ the forehead and knows the forehead….and we play the forehead twice a year. May be able to offer some insights….smart move.
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I would agree if projector screen was still on the Colts. Since he will be with a whole new group of players among other changes Sorgi will be of limited assitance.
April 30th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I think Murphy’s days are numbered. Maybe Reg and DA aren’t exactly thrilled with DHB either.
I don’t think any of the WR’s we had on our team were considered durable by any standard in the NFL.
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DHB is not going anywhere. write that down.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
#1 WR in 2012 = King Darrius, baby!!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
watch carson palmer’s highlights from last year. DHB made some outstanding catches actually, as long as he keeps getting better i’m good
April 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I think Murphy’s days are numbered. Maybe Reg and DA aren’t exactly thrilled with DHB either.
I don’t think any of the WR’s we had on our team were considered durable by any standard in the NFL.
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Murphy could be expendable, maybe for 7th rounder?
The reason I don’t think DHB will not go anywhere is because he is not lacking when it comes to work ethic and wanting to be better. He will get more than a fair shot!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The only real head scratcher for me regarding the draft was Big Reg selecting a wideout. I understand you have to replace Chaz and TJ but I think we have enough young wideouts. If anything sign a vet.
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thank you, HB
thats what i’m saying!!
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Clearly the best player left on the board at that point in the draft. Good pick. And it’s not like any of the wideouts on the roster are so untouchable talent-wise that the position couldn’t use some competition.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
irjonny Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
watch carson palmer’s highlights from last year. DHB made some outstanding catches actually, as long as he keeps getting better i’m good
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I’ll take a guy who gets better every season anyday over a guy who lights it up for a year or 2 than fizzles out.
In Darrius I believe.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DHB has the work ethic Reg talks about wanting on the team
April 30th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
MORE ABOUT CRINER
Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63, 40-yard-dash at the 2004 NFL Combine…. and hes a top WR in this league now.
Calvin johnson isnt a burner also…
April 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The only real head scratcher for me regarding the draft was Big Reg selecting a wideout. I understand you have to replace Chaz and TJ but I think we have enough young wideouts. If anything sign a vet.
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thank you, HB
thats what i’m saying!!
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Clearly the best player left on the board at that point in the draft. Good pick. And it’s not like any of the wideouts on the roster are so untouchable talent-wise that the position couldn’t use some competition.
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Yes, But…Too many other glaring needs.
I understand Big Reg’s plan was not to draft for need.
For the most part I agree with that philosophy, Just not on this specific occasion. agree to disagree.
For the record I am not saying he can’t or won’t be a good player. unfortunetley unless we pick up a vet I will be left not sleeping at night when I think about our defensive backs.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
DHB is not a #1 WR. He’s a support type dude a #2 if you will.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
don’t get it twisted, I’m not hating on DHB. He does work hard, and he has gotten better every year.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
It was funny when the Raiders drafted Christo, the meatheads on NFL network did’nt know the guy and were making stuff up. Actually it was more pathetic than funny. If my job was to to anylyze the draft I think I would have done my homework a little better. It’s not like they aren’t getting paid, I think a lot of people on this blog know more than those blowhards. lol
April 30th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Q: Are you familiar with any of the players on the Raiders roster?
A: “Yeah, a couple of the receivers – Haywood, Denarius Moore – a couple of the young guys. They got a couple of young receivers.”
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lol!!
Criner knows Heyward-Bey as “Haywood”
Year #4 is when DHB really makes a name for himself
print it
April 30th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
WR Corp:
Some combination of Moore/DHB/Ford as the #1, #2 and #3.
Criner as the #4 (could conceivably move up to #2 during the season).
Which leaves Murphy, Calhoun and the UDFAs battling it out for the final one or two spots.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Haywood Jeffries
Ernest Givens
Curtis Duncan
Drew Hill
Tecmo super bowl heroes!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
WR Corp:
Some combination of Moore/DHB/Ford as the #1, #2 and #3.
Criner as the #4 (could conceivably move up to #2 during the season).
Which leaves Murphy, Calhoun and the UDFAs battling it out for the final one or two spots.
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No Mcgee?
April 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Haywood is going to be a good #2 for many years to come. Raiders always bring in extra WR’s to camp because you just never know when a guy will come out of nowhere
April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I just found the sweetest poster in my basement:
It was a pic of
Rocket Ismail
James Jett
Alexander Wright
Timmy Brown
It said Silver&Black attack
(Should have said all world track team)
To bad the poster is in horrible shape, I was going to put it up in the kitchen when my wife got home from work lol
April 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Hey HB,
We addressed our defensive backfield during the draft…by drafting beastly pass rushers to compete with the ones we already got. The QB WILL go down.
Also, we allegedly signed Aaron Henry as an UDFA, so I think we’re decent.
More importantly, we got rid of Hubert/Chuck B and brought in Allen/Tarver….and we ain’t gonna be so vanilla anymore.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Criner as the #4 (could conceivably move up to #2 during the season).
Which leaves Murphy, Calhoun and the UDFAs battling it out for the final one or two spots.
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@Duck
I think Eddie McGee could turn heads. I put him in the same boat as Calhoun & Criner.
Until further notice: DHB, Moore, Ford & Murphy are your Top 4 WR’s in 2012
I’m not going to assume that any rookie who wasn’t even a Top 165 pick will be better than Louis Murphy or anybody else. Reggie has an eye for talent and thats his reputation, but that doesn’t mean he’s right 100% of the time
I’m taking the “wait & see” approach
April 30th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
SR Raider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Haywood is going to be a good #2 for many years to come. Raiders always bring in extra WR’s to camp because you just never know when a guy will come out of nowhere
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What you say is true although I think it’s fair to say that what ever the Raiders did in the past can be thrown out the window. The “new Raiders” as I like to call them will look and do little like the Raiders we were all used to in the past.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The only real head scratcher for me regarding the draft was Big Reg selecting a wideout. I understand you have to replace Chaz and TJ but I think we have enough young wideouts. If anything sign a vet.
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thank you, HB
thats what i’m saying!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He was the BPA by far! Great pick!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
i like the idea of dhb as #2. i do think murphy is highly expendable. not real high on him.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
What happened to Volek? Leinart is a joke! I’d rather see Bomar or even Pryor instead of Leinart. Hopefully Carson stays healthy and our backups won’t matter.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Criner: excellent college production, good size and body control, great hands (10.5″), and he runs good routes.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Jacoby Ford is an oft-injured smurf. too many drops & fumbles for my liking. too many bad routes.
what I like about him is his speed and willingness to fight for the football. he’s pretty scrappy. Also far & away our best return man.
If Moore is everything we think he’s going to be, I think King Darrius is going to have a Pro Bowl season with Carson Palmer at QB. Moore will be doubled. DHB has speed to burn and he’s hard to tackle. Runs good routes. Needs to work on those over the shoulder catches though imo
April 30th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Who’s Jim Sorgi? I don’t remember watching him playing as a threatening backup QB. Is Sorgi better than Boller? If our OL protect CP3 with their lives then we should be fine in the QB dept. My concerns are our D not giving Manning or Brees a tough time and allowing them to have a feast party while playing against our Raiders. Thanks for thee update Cork.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
REVISED WR Corps:
Some combination of Moore/DHB/Ford as the #1, #2 and #3.
Criner as the #4 (could conceivably move up to #2 during the season).
Which leaves McGee (forgot about him earlier), Murphy, Calhoun and the UDFAs battling it out for the final one or two spots. Based on his rapport with CP, McGee probably has the inside track. Murphy’s going to have to come up BIG to avoid the preseason axe.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
tonedeezy Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Hey HB,
We addressed our defensive backfield during the draft…by drafting beastly pass rushers to compete with the ones we already got. The QB WILL go down.
Also, we allegedly signed Aaron Henry as an UDFA, so I think we’re decent.
More importantly, we got rid of Hubert/Chuck B and brought in Allen/Tarver….and we ain’t gonna be so vanilla anymore.
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I hope your right, I would be lying if I said I wasn’t skeptical.
I know everyone hates Hue but he was anything but vanilla. Al and Bres had the vanilla D.
Tarver will bring his youth/enthusiasm and new def looks to the table. He can’t do any worse.
There are positions on the Raiders that I feel good about. secondary is not one of them. I wish there was a way Stan could have been retained.
Once again my opnion is not the popular one but I like to believe with the right discipline which Hue did not provide for the team coach Allen and tarver could have been helpful to make Routt an all pro.
It does’t matter now because he is a Cheif And I wish him the worst. lol
April 30th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Injuries will likely sort out the WR position. Very unlikely all those players make it to opening day.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
yo I thought Zach Hurd was #70, they gave that to the kid out of Utah…..
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@HB
Boss & Routt will make the postseason with KC.
Both axed by Reggie, so I don’t blame them for signing with a division rival.
They weren’t FA’s that Reggie was trying to retain or anything
Raiders 12-4
Chiefs 10-6
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 224.
40 Time: 4.68.
Vertical: 38.
Broad: 9-9.
Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 10 1/2.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
4/24/12: Criner had a phenomenal Senior Bowl. He was excellent all week at getting separation and making tough catches. Criner was very polished in his route running and showed good hands. Unfortunately, his Combine performance was disappointing with a slow 40 time. That prevented him from improving his stock towards the top of the second day. Criner improved on it slightly at this pro day with a time of 4.6. Criner is a better football player than track athlete, so if teams trust the tape more than the Combine he shouldn’t fall far out of the top 80 picks.
Criner was productive in 2011 with 75 receptions for 956 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was the most reliable and consistent weapon for quarterback Nick Foles. An appendectomy kept Criner out against Oklahoma State, and Arizona really missed him. He excels at jump balls downfield. Criner looks like a potential possession receiver in the NFL who could be a good red-zone weapon. He reportedly has some off-the-field concerns.
8/19/11: After considering going pro, Juron Criner decided to return for his senior season with the Wildcats. It was probably a good decision as some personal issues had some wondering if he would play in the 2011 season. Criner showed up for camp on time and allegedly was dealing with a family illness. Last season, he had a massive year for Arizona. Criner caught 82 passes for 1,233 yards and 11 touchdowns. He repeatedly bailed out quarterback Nick Foles on deep passes that were tossed up for grabs. Criner uses his size, body control, and leaping ability to come down with some big catches. There are faster receivers than Criner, but he provides good hands with a big target and still runs well.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I just notice that the Raider website has a new slogan: “A New Era of Excellence”
April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@HB
Boss & Routt will make the postseason with KC.
Both axed by Reggie, so I don’t blame them for signing with a division rival.
They weren’t FA’s that Reggie was trying to retain or anything
Raiders 12-4
Chiefs 10-6
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Wow I’m only used to seeing a 12 and a 4 next to the Raiders name in the standings when the 12 and the 4 are backwards lol
Looking foward to the season! I am all for an 18 game season, more football!!!!!!!!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Criner was a value pick, kind of like Moore was last year. I guess you could say that they thought he was to good to pass up at that point. It was a value over need pick.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I thought Zach Hurd was #70, they gave that to the kid out of Utah…..
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correct on both counts!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
04/04/2012 – I really enjoy asking some retired football people to grade some players for me this time of year. They aren’t tainted by the media reputations formulated about players, They simply watch a lot of game tape without former knowledge and then we discuss what they watched. This week I had an old secondary player/coach watch many of the wide receivers in the 2012 draft class. I knew he would like Oklahoma State’s Justin Blackmon and Notre Dame’s Michael Floyd, but who else would jump out at the old pro? As my old boss, the late Dick Steinberg would say “pay attention to the scout that has a different opinion than all the rest …
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Overview
For all of the talk surrounding Andrew Luck and Matt Barkley and their respective passing attacks, the combination of Nick Foles and Criner was as dangerous as there was in the Pac-10 over the past three seasons. Criner flashed as a freshman, even starting three games, but really put his stamp on the program as a sophomore turning in nine of his 45 catches for 582 yards into scores. As impressive as that total was, Criner picked up his play in 2011, enjoying one of the best seasons ever by a Wildcat receiver. Criner earned First Team All Pac-10 accolades with 82 catches for 1,233 yards and 11 touchdowns. Proving his breakout junior campaign was no fluke, Criner posted similar …
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Analysis
Release: Rarely challenged in press coverage due to scheme. Good build-up speed, but isn’t explosive off the snap. Good lateral agility and strength to get into his routes. Hands: Among his better traits. Possesses soft hands to pluck the ball outside of his frame. Good concentration to make the catch in traffic or when he feels a big hit coming. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder (Toledo) and demonstrates very good body control to adjust. Doesn’t often enough use his size and vertical to his advantage and shows only average timing on jump balls, overall. Route running: Typically lines up outside, but will be in the slot at times to use his physicality to move the chains. Not asked …
April 30th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
HairyBush Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@HB
Boss & Routt will make the postseason with KC.
Both axed by Reggie, so I don’t blame them for signing with a division rival.
They weren’t FA’s that Reggie was trying to retain or anything
Raiders 12-4
Chiefs 10-6
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Wow I’m only used to seeing a 12 and a 4 next to the Raiders name in the standings when the 12 and the 4 are backwards lol
Looking foward to the season! I am all for an 18 game season, more football!!!!!!!!!!
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Raiders will get 10 wins next season (if it’s a 18 game season)
April 30th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Guys, its goping to come down to this 3 receiver set.
Moore, DHB & Criner.
Criner wil be a TJ version that Palmer had in Cincinatti, and you know how that went, TJ had excellent numbers going over the middle in traffic…
See Criner in this way as well.
I see McFadden giving way to Goodson eventually per undisclosed injury, that is still lingering. Those foot injuries can take long time….
April 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Criner is a raw talent who was inconsistent throughout his career at Arizona. He was dominant in the Pac-12 at times and used his athleticism and leaping ability to simply make more plays than the man across from him. Criner effectively uses his great size when going for jump balls or when “boxing out” to catch balls in the short game. He shows his athleticism after the catch, displaying an ability to make things happen early in the play, and has the burst to finish them. He needs to learn how to show up every Sunday, but his talent alone legitimizes him as a prospect. He should be one of the first five receivers taken off the board.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Criner is a lanky but athletic receiver who uses his jumping ability and large catch radius to his advantage when going up for jump balls. He runs crisp routes and is explosive off the line of scrimmage. Criner gets a clean release with ease by using quickness and power, and he understands how to stem his routes to keep cornerbacks off him. He is deceptively agile for such a tall player and is a reliable option in short areas. He can use his lateral agility to make defenders miss and get up the field for yards after the catch. He is a natural who works well against zone defenses and finds his openings and quickly work upfield. Criner has emerged over the past year as the go-to receiver for Arizona, and he has a confidence about his play that allows him to match up against the best.
WEAKNESSES Criner had a tendency throughout his career to disappear from games if he is not heavily involved in the action. At times, his routes can look sloppy. He is a strong blocker but the willingness can slip away from him at times. A medical concern he had before the 2011 season will also be on the minds of scouts.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
goping
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Just looked up the word goping. It means a transexual turd from mars that likes chicken. Cool that you used it in a sentence. That was the 1st time I ever heard that word.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
88.HairyBush Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
goping
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Just looked up the word goping. It means a transexual turd from mars that likes chicken. Cool that you used it in a sentence. That was the 1st time I ever heard that word.
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yes, pardon my typo/english… its my second language…
April 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Totally agree HB, I know I’m being homeristic, but I do believe that pressure on the QB and switching over to more zone coverage will help hide our relative lack of talent back there.
I believe strongly that coaching trumps talent.
We’ve always had talented individuals that underperformed, I’m excited to see if this new philosophy of getting solid players to overperform collectively works, because I buy into that wholeheartedly.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Dj and Hardline,
When I look at Luke Kuechly’s video of his “career highlight”, I see a dude roaming side to side tackling people. I dont see him shedding blockers to get to runners. I dont see a whole lot of rushing the passer. Yeah, he’s fast but he’s running unblocked in most of the video.
Burris on the other hand, shows me he can go through 1 or 2 blockers to get to the runner. I see of lot of tackle for losses. Now I dont see enough of coverage ability.
I’ll take Burris in a heart beat over overrated Kuechly.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Giving Hurd’s # to Bergstrom is as close to a “get ready to clear out your locker” message as I’ve seen.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
RRS,
Chiefs will finish last in our division this year. We will be a tough division but the Chiefs lose out due to their QB. Cassell < Rivers, Peyton, or Palmer.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Giving Hurd’s # to Bergstrom is as close to a “get ready to clear out your locker” message as I’ve seen.
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@Duck
Hurd & Parsons would be happy just to snag a spot on the practice squad someplace at this point. I don’t think Hurd will complain too much. He’ll just keep working, even if they make him go without a jersey and just paint a number on his chest
However, the zbs doesn’t require a bunch of Top 100 pick O-Liners to be successful. Just have to be system fits, like Bergstrom!!
April 30th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Why was there so much talk about this Burfict dude if he went in the 7th round? Was he a Bruce Campbell or V. Gholston?
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That talk was from the fans who dont get paid to draft players. The league scouts saw all kinds of holes in Burfict’s game. Bad attitude (locker room killing types) and undisciplined football. Watch his hilites and he is caught flat footed very often.
April 30th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
@AIG
Cassel isn’t a bad QB imo. He was a Pro Bowler in 2010
Last year KC lost Charles & Moeaki for the season, then Cassel himself.
Even with all the injuries, KC was only 1 game from winning the West and we all know how bad Orton sucks. We are 4-0 against him the last 2 seasons with Marshall & Bresnahan as DC’s!!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Cheifs are the best team in the AFC west (pains me to say that). They don’t have a stellar QB but if the talent around him stays healthy they should be pretty good.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
realtruraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Criner was a value pick, kind of like Moore was last year. I guess you could say that they thought he was to good to pass up at that point. It was a value over need pick.
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Great that RMac was able to score such value when he did. Score!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
HB and RRS,
The better QB will win. KC beat SD on a fluke play. That aint happening. Poe was a huge reach. Looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. I have to disagree with you guys. Crennel is a career Coordinator. Dude is not HC material.
Guarantee you guys that KC finishes last.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
So far this offseason is going like I expected. Cut the over-priced dead weight. Bringing in a lot new faces and just plugged in holes where we could at the draft. So far I like the direction Reggie is taking us.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Only thing that sucks about these highlight vids is the music. It generally sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onSTDBS38W8
April 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
HB and RRS,
The better QB will win. KC beat SD on a fluke play. That aint happening. Poe was a huge reach. Looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. I have to disagree with you guys. Crennel is a career Coordinator. Dude is not HC material.
Guarantee you guys that KC finishes last
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If I had to make a prediction
I would say K.C. wins division and SD is in last place.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
KC:
Career coordinator in Crennel.
Worst QB in the division (no matter who it is).
Wasted first-round pick (Bergstrom will probably have a MUCH better career than Poe).
April 30th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@ AIG
I hope you’re right. I have a bunch of friends that are KC fans. Plus a bunch of people in my wife’s family. Co-workers are mainly KC fans too. Thats what happens when you live in Missouri as a Raider fan, I guess.
They can’t brag about much though, we’ve won 3 of the last 4. Still think if KC is healthy – they are right there with everybody else in the division
April 30th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Chiefs have Charles and Hillis at RB, Baldwin and Bowe at WR, Boss and Moeaki at TE, the already stellar d gets Berry back on D along with the addition of Routt = solid. We’re solid and deep across the board (minus a NT) but what we lack is playmakers on D. Chiefs have Hali Flowers Berry, Denver has Miller Dumervil Bailey, Chargers have Shaun Phillips, who do we have?
April 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Crennel is a players coach. a rah rah guy like Tom Cable or Hue Jackson.
I expect Revenge of the Nerds cast member Dennis Allen to best him every time, but you can’t deny the fact the those players are gonna lay it all on the line for that HC, regardless of his track record in Cleveland (of all places …)
April 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Future AFC West standings
1. Raiders
2. Chefs
3. Dischargers
4. Donkeys
April 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Only thing that sucks about these highlight vids is the music. It generally sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onSTDBS38W8
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Wait, we drafted a WR that catches the ball with his hands? Nice hands. He tracked the first ball over his head real nice. Something DHB can’t do naturally.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
in the Burris video watch at 2:30. He is chasing a RB down the field and tackles him. That’s what we lacked effort players
April 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Chefs replaced CB Carr w/ Routt.
Downgrade fa’sho if you asked me.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Burris sheds block 2.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Bartell and Brisel will be our best FA acquisitions.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
1025.J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Still mad at Jordan Hill trade, Dakota?
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Hill was just charged with felony assault on his girlfriend….you still like the trade?
April 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Wait, we drafted a WR that catches the ball with his hands? Nice hands. He tracked the first ball over his head real nice. Something DHB can’t do naturally.
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Criner was a steal and if he can stay just half as healthy as Chaz Schilens he becomes a gift. Bigger school, bigger competition that CalPoly SLO.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
*than
April 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
105.inonewordraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Chiefs have Charles and Hillis at RB, Baldwin and Bowe at WR, Boss and Moeaki at TE, the already stellar d gets Berry back on D along with the addition of Routt = solid. We’re solid and deep across the board (minus a NT) but what we lack is playmakers on D. Chiefs have Hali Flowers Berry, Denver has Miller Dumervil Bailey, Chargers have Shaun Phillips, who do we have?
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MCFADDEN!!!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Need to kick these two QB’s to the curb, Oakland is NOT the place for “washed up never wases” anymore!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Raider duck – we agree 100%.
RRS and Inonewordraider – Boss didnt do crap for us and he aint doing crap for KC. Trust me. Crennel is not HC material. they were motivated for a few games due to new hC but that’s about it. As for Routt, I am his biggest hater here. He gave up 5 tds on the same post route in the redzone. Dont think the league is going to forget that. Dmoore will own his a$$ like he did last camp. The key to beat Routt is quickness. Dont throw deep just throw quick routes.
Denver is the most complete team. Peyton alone will make all those WRs above avg. Their offense is fine. They got a solid D.
SD still has Phillips. You can never count that dude out.
Oak has Palmer. Still better than Cassel. We can be really good or really bad.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
“Boss & Routt will make the postseason with KC.”
I take no delight in saying this, but I don’t think Boss has a full year of hits in him, assuming he gets used enough, thrown to enough to get hit.
It’s players such as he who ought to realize that they are young, have a whole life ahead of them, and the repeated concussions are going to …well, you know.
As for Routt? He’ll do what Stan always does: look good on several plays, then get burned for the long one when he keeps up with his opponent but fails to look back for the ball, either resulting in a long reception or a PI. His style of play is set in his brainpaths–he has no more chance of changing ingrained habits than a golfer has of changing a swing flaw he has had for decades. All Routt can do is try to adopt other strategies to minimize that flaw.
I’m glad he’s gone if only because even if Routt might be better in some ways than what we have, he was earning what stars earn, setting a precedent that Reggie knows is important to break: don’t expect to come to the Raiders to earn a pay day…unless you actually deserve it.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Our cbs and lbs are considered below average and our dline hasn’t stopped the run in the past and lost Henderson. If DA can make a top 15 D out of what he has, he’s helluva coach and we’ll have a chance otherwise…
April 30th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Its basicly the same team as last yr. Only now we’ll play conservitive wco & bend but dont break zone.. 9-7 unless dmac plays a healthy 12+ games.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
MCFADDEN!!!!!
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playmakers on D
April 30th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Marios and DMAC,
Huge Burris fan here. Kid sheds or goes through his blockers. I saw him go through 2 Mich blockers to get to the RB. I have zero clue on his coverage ability since there aint any tape. I just hope he’s not on hgh or something. As a weight trainer, he looks too perfect for me. He has a video for his proday and the kid is 245lbs with (my guess) about 6% body fat. That’s unreal…unless you’re on a cycle.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Can we beat out the wildcard hopefuls? Pit buff kc sd cin…
April 30th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Boss didnt do crap for us and he aint doing crap for KC. Trust me.
Denver is the most complete team. Peyton alone will make all those WRs above avg. Their offense is fine. They got a solid D.
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AIG, I just pulled out these two items, because I agree with the rest of what you said …
#1 Boss wasn’t used by Hue Jackson. Palmer doesn’t throw much to his TE’s (see Cincy days as example too). Boss made the most of his limited opportunities and he battled injuries too last season
#2 Dungver is garbage. Tim Tebow is gone and so are their playoff hopes. The man that gets all the credit for that defense is now your Head Coach. Manning didn’t play last year. He has a bent neck. he’s like 36 years old. All new teammates & coaches. no longer playing in a dome.
the Horse Humpers will be the #1 overrated team in the NFL, in 2012. be lucky to finish 8-8
April 30th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
What’s up fellas?
All the negativity in here. It’s a new era men, shake it off!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RRS – If Peyton is healthy, we’re all in trouble. As evident by how much of dropoff Indy was once Peyton wasnt playing. If he is injured again, Denver finishes last.
As for Boss, I say he’s crap because I dont think he can handle any more injury. A smart guy like him has to worry about concussions. Once you worry about injuries, you’re not the same player….see Louis Murphy/JLH.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Main concern with the opposing d will be dmac, we will kill them with play action, we have the oline to protect Carson Bomber and with the mixture of our speed and versatility I see no one stopping us !!!!!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So I did not get the whole story…but 95.7 were interviewing Brian Baldinger on our draft…he went off on the lack of coaching on Defense last year and that Rod Woodson was appalled by the lack of coaching up of the players was happening. Anybody else here this?
April 30th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Looking forward to the first time Sho-nasty plants PM into the turf!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Here’s a full game of Burris vs Bergstrom in ‘10.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n00VbhAf5_w&feature=related
April 30th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So I did not get the whole story…but 95.7 were interviewing Brian Baldinger on our draft…he went off on the lack of coaching on Defense last year and that Rod Woodson was appalled by the lack of coaching up of the players was happening. Anybody else here this?
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Two guys need to hear this. Alex7 and Chris in NY. They were huge Hubris supporters and thought he could do no wrong.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
And if bomber gets hurt prepare for pryor to take the reigns and pull a Michael Vick except he won’t get hurt since he is more of a big buck compared to a lil female gazzell like Vick. Oh and if Zdmac goes down I see Taiwan as a second coming of Chris Johnson he’s a mathafuggin burner and with our big bullies paving the way I see a lot of runs taken to the hizzie. STAMP THAT SCHZITT!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I’m happy with our team so far, but I’m still worried about the CB position. Bartell and Spencer didn’t play last season, and Chekwa and DVD are still raw. I would like to add another vet CB.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So I did not get the whole story…but 95.7 were interviewing Brian Baldinger on our draft…he went off on the lack of coaching on Defense last year and that Rod Woodson was appalled by the lack of coaching up of the players was happening. Anybody else here this?
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After seeing the results of last year’s “D” should we be surprised?
April 30th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Chargers had a pretty good draft – WR is the only questionable position group on their roster, but Rivers has made due without Vincent Jackson before.
Not worried about Denver or KC.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raider O Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 224.
40 Time: 4.68.
Vertical: 38.
Broad: 9-9.
Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 10 1/2.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
4/24/12: Criner had a phenomenal Senior Bowl. He was excellent all week at getting separation and making tough catches. Criner was very polished in his route running and showed good hands. Unfortunately, his Combine performance was disappointing with a slow 40 time. That prevented him from improving his stock towards the top of the second day. Criner improved on it slightly at this pro day with a time of 4.6. Criner is a better football player than track athlete, so if teams trust the tape more than the Combine he shouldn’t fall far out of the top 80 picks.
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This is very revealing and goes to show you the group think within NFL scouting circles. The dude is lauded for getting separation, then taken down a notch for his 40 time. WTF is the point of speed other than to get separation? What a joke. A slower dude who gets separation know how to use his body, which is far more important than straight line sprinting.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Our d can’t get any worse even with Wimbly and routte gone. But fugggg imagine if we had namdi with this group and new coaching staff, its a damn shame we kept routte over him.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
someone tell me why/how we’ll be able to stop the run this year? Aint worried about the O at all
April 30th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Right now, the OL looks like this:
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle, Bergstrom
C – Wisniewski
RG – Brisiel
RT – Barnes, Barksdale
Seems like Hurd, Nix, and Parsons will be fighting it out for the last spot. Who is the backup center? Would either Barnes or Barksdale be a potential backup LT? Big questions, but overall I like this group.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
someone tell me why/how we’ll be able to stop the run this year? Aint worried about the O at all
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You playin?
April 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Seems like Hurd, Nix, and Parsons will be fighting it out for the last spot. Who is the backup center? Would either Barnes or Barksdale be a potential backup LT? Big questions, but overall I like this group.
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barks and barnes have played lt before, would veld be the backup C? would hope not
April 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
someone tell me why/how we’ll be able to stop the run this year? Aint worried about the O at all
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Comes down to better coaching and a new scheme at this point. Keeping TK and Seymour fresh and healthy will be important, too.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
You playin?
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maybe there’s something I’m missin I’m just having a hard time believing seymour kelly and houston getting it done. I like Bryant and Shaughnessey at end, worried about the guys inside
April 30th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
someone tell me why/how we’ll be able to stop the run this year? Aint worried about the O at all
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Comes down to better coaching and a new scheme at this point. Keeping TK and Seymour fresh and healthy will be important, too.
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How about this:
1. Accountability
2. Gap discipline
3. Scheme to strength
For starters.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“DutchRaider77 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So I did not get the whole story…but 95.7 were interviewing Brian Baldinger on our draft…he went off on the lack of coaching on Defense last year and that Rod Woodson was appalled by the lack of coaching up of the players was happening. Anybody else here this?
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This is exactly what will be different this year! Players will be held accountable with DA and RM leading the way, this has never happened before in our organization. I myself am getting excited about next season.
April 30th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“How about this:
1. Accountability
2. Gap discipline
3. Scheme to strength
For starters.”
Nice post agree 100%
April 30th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Ohioraider,
Teams like WRs to have speed so they can get seperation and stretch the field. Good WRs like Colston and Boldin get seperation without having great speed by running great routes among other things like body control, power, etc..
The best asset a WR can have is Hands, and this guy has huge hands (10.5″). He can Catch!
We have enough WRs with speed that can stretch the field, but we needed a guy with great hands who catches everything in his radius/ zone.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
fair enough, it’s all about the coaching staff now…
April 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Does anyone think dmac could truck over Burris if it came to head on collision.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
someone tell me why/how we’ll be able to stop the run this year? Aint worried about the O at all
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Comes down to better coaching and a new scheme at this point. Keeping TK and Seymour fresh and healthy will be important, too.
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How about this:
1. Accountability
2. Gap discipline
3. Scheme to strength
For starters.
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Well said Ohio and YA. I agree, but having a huge Beasty NT can’t hurt. lol
April 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
REVISED WR Corps:
Some combination of Moore/DHB/Ford as the #1, #2 and #3.
Criner as the #4 (could conceivably move up to #2 during the season).
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how do we decide the depth chart in April? Preseason has more use than many realize
April 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Burris is a beast, but DMAC has a NASTY stiff arm/ open-handed punch.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
If that’s were the direction Oakland was going I could see a big, huge, nasty NG. That ain’t the direction. Think NY Giants.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Let the best player win/ earn the job. Every position should be open for competition including QB, RB, LT, and C.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
yep. that’s why gm reggie cleaned house when he got there. oakland has been the most talented and underachieving team the last couple years…coaching coaching coaching!
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
how do you the hold guys accountable? by playing their incompetence backups?
April 30th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Will the Raiders stop the penalties and the knucklehead behavior on the field?
April 30th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
how do you the hold guys accountable?
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By defending the privilege of being an Oakland Raider. Some people want to be here. Those that don’t will be shown the door.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
You grab them, slap them, choke them, and throw chairs at them.
Hire Bob Knight to motivate and teach accountability.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I will pay good money to see Bob Knight slap Seymour or J Harrison.
LMAO.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
how do you the hold guys accountable? by playing their incompetence backups?
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Al never let the coaches go after the players for lackadaisical play. They never had any power to call players out, levy fines, get in faces, etc. This will be the first end to end year when that all changes.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Ohioraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
how do you the hold guys accountable? by playing their incompetence backups?
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Al never let the coaches go after the players for lackadaisical play. They never had any power to call players out, levy fines, get in faces, etc. This will be the first end to end year when that all changes.
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Exactly. It used to be that it didn’t matter at if you racked up penalties or if the coaches liked your play or not. As long as Al liked you, you’d play every week and get paid come contract time.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Draft went well, and as for people griping us taking Bergstrom over Ta’amu or Chapman, I am fairly certain that Reggie wanted Josh Chapman, but felt pretty sure he was going to be there when we picked in the 5th. Indy picked him with the first pick of the 5th round, so we traded back and got an extra pick. If you listen to Reggie in the post-draft presser, he said their guy was no longer there when they picked in the 5th, so they traded back….the surprise pick was Christo, no doubt.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Man o’ man! Shanny is taking a lot of heat for picking Kirk Cousins to back up RGIII. Great job Shanny. Just goes to show that w/o Elway you’re nothing!
April 30th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Ohioraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Exactly. It used to be that it didn’t matter at if you racked up penalties or if the coaches liked your play or not. As long as Al liked you, you’d play every week and get paid come contract time.
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There is a major misconception brewing that Al didn’t care about “schit” as long as you played. Not true.
Al cared that as a player you WANTED to be in Oaktown. Big, huge difference.
Lately guys wanted to come to Oakland just to “get paid.” Going back to old school Al days.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
#160 LOL someone needs tp do that to McClain.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I don’t think Shanarat made a mistake. I like the move. you need more than one capable QB, and Wash didn’t have any.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I think you’ll see a lot of change and players will be held accountable. Even if it’s pulling a player to the side when trotting off the field and coaching him up.
Too many times did we see players jog right passed the coach and nothing was said about a mistake or a blown play. Boyd is one of them that needed to be ripped a new one.
Also i don’t agree with giving grown men curfews, but seeing Ford party it up the night before the biggest game of his life (new years eve) pissed me off. Not very professional if you ask me. His slip that led to a Palmer interception vs SD isn’t due to being hungover, but he didn’t exactly have a huge game.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Raider O Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I don’t think Shanarat made a mistake. I like the move. you need more than one capable QB, and Wash didn’t have any.
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Same here. Why not have two QBs to groom? If RGIII busts, you have a backup plan. If both are good? You have a great 1-2 situation, as well as trade bait. If both bust? Well, you’ll probably be out of a job soon regardless at that point.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Hard to imagine that Matt Leinart has fallen so low. I mean, one thing was going up against Kurt Warner and Schaub, but competing with Sorgi, what’s up with that Reg?
I guess Sorgi comes at a bargain close-out deal, just right for RegMac and Markie. I doubt that even if Leinart checks out clean, RegMac is not or can’t pay what Leinart wants.
I still say Pryor can play QB, and the Raiders can win with him, in fact I willing to bet that Terelle will play better than Palmer. One just has to go against the grain to whatever 17-year “insiders” and expert bloggers conjure up in their fantasies.
Speaking of fantasies, people down here in SoCal are saying that maybe RegMac purposely wants the Raiders to tank it next season, and set up for the draft with yet another Matt. Imagine going into 2013 season with Matt Barkley. Now, that would be sweet.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-offense
April 30th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
I still say Pryor can play QB, and the Raiders can win with him, in fact I willing to bet that Terelle will play better than Palmer.
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LMAO!
April 30th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Zopi Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Speaking of fantasies, people down here in SoCal are saying that maybe RegMac purposely wants the Raiders to tank it next season, and set up for the draft with yet another Matt. Imagine going into 2013 season with Matt Barkley. Now, that would be sweet.
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Yeah, conspiracy is they will purposely tank, to get a sweet deal. AIG will “advise” the Coliseum board alright. Barkley, Palmer likely released if they draft him no. 1
April 30th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Yes, But…Too many other glaring needs.
I understand Big Reg’s plan was not to draft for need.
For the most part I agree with that philosophy, Just not on this specific occasion. agree to disagree.
For the record I am not saying he can’t or won’t be a good player. unfortunetley unless we pick up a vet I will be left not sleeping at night when I think about our defensive backs.
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Reggie was clear when he said Best Player Available: Why pick up a RB or DB that is not high on your board at this point? At that point Criner was up to a 2nd round pick on many peoples boards and he was sitting there in the 5th! Criner may actually become our 3rd receiver and contrasts and provides a role the others don’t at this point.
As for Defensive backs lets do a little comparison with the actual players we had most of the season.
Branch 11 vs. Branch 12 (Branch Should improve + )
Huff 11 vs. Huff 12 (Huff should be helped by scheme +)
Routt 11 vs. Bartell 12 (I like Bartell better but heath is an issue. Most would consider this a minus but I consider this break even = and if Bartell is healthy I do think it may be plus because Routt was regressing)
Johnson 11 vs. Spenser 12 (This is more Lito Shepard vs. Spencer and I call this a ++)
Slot Corner Boyd??? or Gio vs. Lee (I give Lee the plus here. Lee is an experienced slot corner and Chekwa may also be improving here)
Depth (DVD and Chekwa will be more experienced you also have Underhill and Gio and still have MM. I think depth is better this year than last. Injuries can change all this but we are in a better position than last year with Johnson already being injury prone and unlikely to contribute much from the get go.
Now while last years secondary was not the standard of excellence by any means it looks like to me we have gotten better. Not where we need to be but better. The fact is we have already picked up 4 veterans here.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
how do you the hold guys accountable? by playing their incompetent backups?
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To implement a new culture of discipline and accountability, the new staff needs depth and competition at all positions so they can dump or sit players who aren’t getting it done.
We have a ways to go on depth, especially on defense
I think, unlike last year, the new Reggime will try their best to address that
last August, we had Quentin Groves starting at WSLB and the best competition we could bring in was Bres’ USFL buddy Darryl Blackstock. Blackstock and Bruce Davis III made roster despite fair at best preseason performance mostly vs. scrubs and past production in NFL. Davis was hurt most of preseason. Curry brought in mid season and thrust into starting lineup instantly
by August 2011, our CB situation was in shambles with Nnamdi out the door, Chris Johnson hurt, Chewka hurt, 2nd year vets Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware stinking it up in preseason, 40 yard dash stud Porter hurt, and Sterling Moore being virtually ignored (not given a chance vs anyone but 3rd-4th stringers in preseason action) because he doesn’t run an Al Davis type 40, then ignored when on practice squad, then lost to Patriots. Lito Sheppard signed, cut before preseason, then resigned later during season. 40 yard dash stud Porter makes opening roster.
No doubt the defensive coordinator had a lot to do with the performance last year, but talent/depth was a huge factor
April 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Raider O Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I don’t think Shanarat made a mistake. I like the move. you need more than one capable QB, and Wash didn’t have any.
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It’ll blow up in his face as usual.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Shanahan showed -zero- confidence in a dude that he dropped 3 1st round picks for. Dumb.
Now what does he do when Kirk Cousins outplays the Predator look-a-like? On some boards Cousins was the No. 3 QB in the draft.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Fact of the matter is that RGIII may be the most over-hyped QB since JaWalrus Purpledrank! He’s certainly no Cam Newton.
April 30th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
you can’t tell 22 players to let the other team win…no team can ever tank on purpose because these players at least are playing for contracts if nothing else. the colts last year is as close as you can come to losing on purpose. but that was with no manning who is the only one who could run their scheme and their owner doing what he did with personnel and coaches. you can tell a DL to let a runner get a score to save time on the clock, but you can’t tell a team to sandbag it so we can replace the qb. that’s why it’s called a conspiracy theory. we are playoffs bound in 2012 and reggie would gladly give our 1st rnd draft pick next year for a championship in oakland…anybody would.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
how do you the hold guys accountable? by playing their incompetent backups?
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no…as a coach and gm it’s your job to make sure there are NO incompetent backups, that’s how you make it possible to hold players accountable. we haven’t done that for years
April 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Unless he is just an arm for camp, WTF Jim Sorgi. One of the worst backups in football. Made Boller look good. What he completed 29 passes in 4 or 5 yrs. POS. We can do better. IMHO
April 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
irjonny Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
yep. that’s why gm reggie cleaned house when he got there. oakland has been the most talented and underachieving team the last couple years…coaching coaching coaching!
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Really Reggie Mac didn’t clean house that much by NFL standards, only as compared to Al Davis, who, in his old age, rarely paid a player who he didn’t want to keep forever, regardless of whatever
Look at the Texans–super bowl contenders, dump all kinds of salary including the right side of their OL, don’t sign most of their high priced free agents, etc. That’s just one example. And they don’t have a new regime coming in.
Really, new Reggime in Oaktown seems pretty restrained to me. All the cuts were no brainers, considering the cost vs. production. With guys like Wimbley, they apparently tried to work things out and only made the move after holding out till they couldn’t afford bonus due. Routt same, though they obviously didn’t want him back. There are still a lot of overpaid guys on roster but Reggie Mac couldn’t take all the salary cap acceleration hits this year, so the guys like Wimbley who had guarantees that would kick in if kept and that would have had financial impact into the future were let go with hit to this year’s cap. Guys like Seymour, who we would have had to pay 7.5 M to dump his one more year 15 M contract, were kept, but will he must bounce back or accept less money if he’s to be around in 2013. Body willing, I think he’ll be much better in 2012.
new Reggime’s decisions seem pretty calm, rational, and logical so far. As far as them “getting rid of Al Davis players”, almost everyone on roster but CP3 and Curry would be in that category. The decisions not to retain players have consistently been based on legit criteria, imo.
For a new regime with new schemes coming in (not to mention new culture), the bloodletting has really been pretty mild so far, and very much consistent with Reggie Mac’s clearly stated issues with “out of whack” contracts
However, if players aren’t going to adapt to new Reggime priorities of disciplined, productive, hard play, don’t expect them to be around long.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
R.I.P. Amarillo Slim.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
post #183
i was refering to the coaching staff, not the players.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
For you Chapman guys, Peter King reported today that they do not expect him available for at least the beginning of camp.
Never trust agents making a point to say a guy will be ready.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Yep, you were right. Good call, JFB.
Still wouldn’t have minded if the Raiders drafted him, though. I expect him to be a good pro, and a big part of what the Colts are trying to do under Pagano.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
176. I was asking a rhetorical question. My point is people dont become disiplined or accountable just because their new boss is.. We have the same sloppy players.. Dont expect any crazy life changes from these dorks.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
181. it’s a rhetorical question
April 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Sometimes it’s just a matter of having a coach who knows how to get the most out of his personnel. The Texans added Johnathan Joseph and JJ Watt, but other than that they didn’t make many big-time changes last year. They even lost Mario Williams for the season. But they were still one of the best defenses in the league all season long, in spite of being pitiful the season before.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Gruden called out guys all the time.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
King also squeezed this into his MMQB:
I think I love what the Raiders did over the weekend — independent of the draft. They announced they would donate 10 percent of all ticket sales between May 1 and June 30 to the Oakland Unified School District. That should help motivate all fans thinking of buying seats to do so in the next two months. It’s a tremendous cause, for those who aren’t familiar with the needy school district. And I applaud the Raiders for stepping up to the plate.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
We had a full officiating crew at our practices and still set the record for stupid.. Stupid is as stupid does.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
YA,
Don’t forget Brooks Reed that the Texans added.
He is already a border-line elite 3rd down pass rusher.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
realtruraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Criner was a value pick, kind of like Moore was last year. I guess you could say that they thought he was to good to pass up at that point. It was a value over need pick.
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Criner also picked for need. Red/zone possession receiver
April 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
“DutchRaider77 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So I did not get the whole story…but 95.7 were interviewing Brian Baldinger on our draft…he went off on the lack of coaching on Defense last year and that Rod Woodson was appalled by the lack of coaching up of the players was happening. Anybody else here this?
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Interesting. I remember Baldinger on “playbook” last year making fun of the Raiders for having only 10 guys on the field on D against Detroit i think. This was in addition to the infamous 10 men against Houston play.
His point was how disorganized and poorly coached the D was.
With Woodson saying this though it makes me ask what the hell HE was doing to coach ‘em up. He WAS a coach wasn’t he?
April 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
We have no big timers on defense.. we’ll have to play pretty perfect to be any good.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I am thinking this Georgia State kid is going to be our “star” of the draft if you will.
Burris should be on the field plenty and get some run. We NEED the Bergstrom guy to push our guard positions and he should. Criner will make some key catches.
But maybe this guy can bring his mentality of dominating, like he did in D-II, and just go out and expect big things, and bag 6-7 sacks.
Could be possible.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
137.ohioraider Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raider O Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 224.
40 Time: 4.68.
Vertical: 38.
Broad: 9-9.
Arm: 31 3/8. Hand: 10 1/2.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
4/24/12: Criner had a phenomenal Senior Bowl. He was excellent all week at getting separation and making tough catches. Criner was very polished in his route running and showed good hands. Unfortunately, his Combine performance was disappointing with a slow 40 time. That prevented him from improving his stock towards the top of the second day. Criner improved on it slightly at this pro day with a time of 4.6. Criner is a better football player than track athlete, so if teams trust the tape more than the Combine he shouldn’t fall far out of the top 80 picks.
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This is very revealing and goes to show you the group think within NFL scouting circles. The dude is lauded for getting separation, then taken down a notch for his 40 time. WTF is the point of speed other than to get separation? What a joke. A slower dude who gets separation know how to use his body, which is far more important than straight line sprinting.
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Yup
April 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
YA,
Don’t forget Brooks Reed that the Texans added.
He is already a border-line elite 3rd down pass rusher.
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Kid stepped up big-time when Williams went down.
Phillips also got the most out of Connor Barwin, who was looking like a bust until that point.
That defense is fun to watch.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
All drafted players are 4-year, undrafted 3-year. RT @WarrenMJackson length of the contract for 7th rounder vs udfa?
April 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I think Eddie McGee could turn heads. I put him in the same boat as Calhoun & Criner.
Until further notice: DHB, Moore, Ford & Murphy are your Top 4 WR’s in 2012
I’m not going to assume that any rookie who wasn’t even a Top 165 pick will be better than Louis Murphy or anybody else. Reggie has an eye for talent and thats his reputation, but that doesn’t mean he’s right 100% of the time
I’m taking the “wait & see” approach
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Look for Reggie to trade away most likely Murphy for a 4th or 5th rounder later in the camp.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
April 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
“DutchRaider77 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So I did not get the whole story…but 95.7 were interviewing Brian Baldinger on our draft…he went off on the lack of coaching on Defense last year and that Rod Woodson was appalled by the lack of coaching up of the players was happening. Anybody else here this?
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In addition to wondering what Woodson was doing…or NOT doing since he was so “appalled” at the coaching, it is a positive that despite all the horrible “appalling” coaching with 10 men on the field more than once, all the penalties on offense and defense, the injuries to key players…like the leagues leading rusher when he went down, bringing in a QB off the couch midseason, and alot more to contend with, the Raiders still were ONE DEFENSIVE STOP from winning the division and probably playing a prime time 2nd round playoff game at New England.
THAT should give some hope.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Darknight,I’d like to point out that your last comment on the previous thread was in error,I believe.Tank Carder was selected by the Bills in the 5th right before we traded down and then selected Burris.I’m not sure about this but I think that is what happened.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Never mind.I was wrong.LOL
April 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-defense
April 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I think in the national media they just don’t know what to make of the Raiders.
If Hue were still here, they may look at all the challenges we endured with our best player going down, our QB situation, the penalties etc. and come to the conclusion that we could be a force in the AFC this coming season. But…with the new regime, coach, and the NEW direction they have no idea what to think except to assume we’ll still be average to bad like we have been.
No matter what it looks like on paper for us, they won’t believe it till they see it.
It’s easier just to ignore the Raiders at this point cuz nobody knows what to make of what’s going on.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Wouldn’t mind Kelly Jennings, Anthony Adams, or Aubrayo Franklin.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Hair, tell Mark the following:
In business, you concentrate on the solution, not the problem.
Solution: Discipline
Problem: Penalties.
By saying the words “We need to reduce penalties”, the brain locks in on the word “penalty”…and that is all it hears.
Hence, by talking about penalties, the Raiders got more penalties.
The brain needs to be trained on discipline, and the path to achieving it.
Example: Don’t think of a Red Car. BAMMMM! You thought of a red car.
It’s more than hermaneutics and psychological mumbo jumbo…
April 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I wonder if we’ll kick the tires on John Beck while we’re at it.
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Yes, but I doubt we sign him until after training camp starts and Allen figures out Pryer is not ready to be a #2 QB.
Pryor is gonna need 1-2 years of seasoning to be a legit #2, and another 1-2 years as a #2 to be a legit starting QB, the good news is if we stuck with it he should develop into an above average to great QB. He just needs a lot of work.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Dennis Allen Coach of the Year.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I truly don’t mind a negative analysis of the Raiders from BSPN, NFLN etc. i just wish we could hear from someone that really knows something about the team. Someone that has done a careful analysis of what’s going on here and has really studied the Raiders…NOT ill-informed generalizations and cursory study at best.
They act like they know so much cuz they HAVE to make an analysis of every team and sound like they know, but in reality they don’t even bother with us.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Jim Sorgi is only 31?
Thought he was old enough to be a member of AARP…
What is Vince Evans up to these days?…..
April 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Pryor is gonna need 1-2 years of seasoning to be a legit #2, and another 1-2 years as a #2 to be a legit starting QB, the good news is if we stuck with it he should develop into an above average to great QB. He just needs a lot of work.
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Agreed.
I think Pryor is in a great position. Not a lot of QBs get the luxury to sit, learn, and prepare themselves for the demands that come with being an NFL quarterback. With Palmer as the #1 for the foreseeable future, Pryor should take advantage of the truly rare situation he’s in.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
It was in the 5th that Tank was taken 1 pick before we were due to pick and then we traded back.I wonder if the guy we wanted but wasn’t there was Tank Carder.He is definitely a Reggie type player.
April 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Carder, Menzie, and Manning are three players I have a feeling the Raiders were targeting.
Carder and Menzie went right before the Raiders traded back.
Green Bay traded up before the Raiders to take Manning.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
All these people second guessing the draft picks based on what us Semi’s (think they) wanted is kind of ridiculous. We’ll know in 5 years but right now we don’t even know what the new schemes will look like, let alone what kind of players fit them, etc. I’m sure the new Reggime knows more about the basis for their decisions than we do
as DKnight007 Says:
This is where McK and the scouts and coaches, should know more and have more in depth information than us fans.
Yeah, how many of us even watched all/most/or even a few of the guys we “wanted” Raiders to draft play in college? And even if we watched some of them, did we watch all/most of the players available for comparison? I’m sure the Raiders did.
back in March I refused to make my “pick” because I knew I didn’t do the research to know crap. Then as usual by late April I read a couple scouting books, one pre-workouts evaluations, one post-workout and for fun & familiarization with talent and came up with guys who I thought may fit into Raiders draft. But for us to think the Raiders should have drafted guys because they were ones we thought may be good is ridiculous, and not fun either. Actually, Burris was pretty high on my list, and the list of other Semi’s as well, though some were SD St. fans, but Burris was mentioned a lot by the few Semi’s who posted lists for rounds 4 or 5. RaiderRockstar only tried to solicit our choice for 3rd round pick, anyway. Chapman has an obvious injury issue-may not be healthy for 2012 season,and NFL seems to be turning away from NT/DT run stuffers, as evidenced by draft. And some of the predictions on where guys would be drafted were ridiculous. Some mocks had Bruce Irvin still on board at #95, but he went #15, and some of the Semi’s picked him. Anyone who read his scouting reports should know he was unlikely to last the first round.
DKnight007 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Reggie picked Tony Bergstrom at #95 over these guys in Round 4:
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This is where McK and the scouts and coaches, should know more and have more in depth information than us fans.
Lets hope McK and Allen wind up being right and not us. Otherwise, it will just hurt the football team in the end.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
#209 – Law of Attraction?
April 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
X-I really don’t give a sh!t who we picked,it was all in fun.I know damn well Reggie and Dennis know more than I do.They know more than people on here too.I just hope the players we picked turn out to be great choices.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
1 or 2 to be groomed as the #2, and a year or two to become a starter sounds great, until you realize his contract expires at the end of 2014.
By the end of than, we better know pretty damn much what we have.
Besides, what QB takes 4 years to be “ready” these days? Granted they all get better over time, but guys are starting, immediately these days.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
We had a full officiating crew at our practices and still set the record for stupid.. Stupid is as stupid does.
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Huebert’s responsibility. Guarantee you we don’t set the record for penalties this year.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
BSPN football analyst’s are idiots sometimes. Separation as a result of speed? Really? Separation between a WR and DB comes down to strength, not just speed.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Albert Puljols. Bwahahahahahahaha!
April 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
We have no big timers on defense.. we’ll have to play pretty perfect to be any good.
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yeah. It’s pretty hard to have a good D without a few real difference makers. Hope some of the new guys, Sho’Nasty, Branch, among others, take it to the next level soon. Wouldn’t it have been nice if AD kept Nnamdi instead of Routt?
April 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Mush never played the game.
Just Win Baby.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
By the end of than, we better know pretty damn much what we have.
Besides, what QB takes 4 years to be “ready” these days? Granted they all get better over time, but guys are starting, immediately these days.
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If Pryor isn’t clearly ready to take the reins by then, the Raiders WILL know what they have.
There isn’t a single young QB in the league who wouldn’t benefit from 3-4 years to learn the trade before having to take over as “the guy”. Few teams are in the position to provide that, so the Raiders should absolutely take advantage of this kind of opportunity. No reason to throw a kid who clearly isn’t ready yet into the fire. It’ll only hurt his confidence, and place even more pressure on him from the fan base and from coaches who want results if the kid is going to be on the field.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
If we are looking at so many QBs it is probably a good sign Pryor isn’t nearly ready to be a backup and possibly isn’t looked at as a QB by the present staff.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
If we are looking at so many QBs it is probably a good sign Pryor isn’t nearly ready to be a backup and possibly isn’t looked at as a QB by the present staff.
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A piece of cardboard is an upgrade compared to Rhett Bomar!
April 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Due to Carson Palmer trade, Raiders didn’t pick until third rd. Rookie pool is $2.68 million, total value of deals can’t go over $14.75 mill
April 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
If we are looking at so many QBs it is probably a good sign Pryor isn’t nearly ready to be a backup and possibly isn’t looked at as a QB by the present staff.
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A piece of cardboard is an upgrade compared to Rhett Bomar!
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How do we know one way or the other it wouldn’t also be an upgrade over Pryor.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Here’s Bilikidi’s highlight reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He looks pretty quick and smart. I see him as Kelly’s primary backup this season.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
NFL talent evaluators now come a dime a dozen, with so many outlets, blogs, 24/7 talking heads, etc. etc., even more and highly present are we the fans. We all have our opinions, can speculate with the best, laugh at our fellow fan, and mock the fishwrap hack, easy.
Alameda Ta’amu was expected to be the Raiders NT, many in here including Corky had him, RegMac passed. The talking heads immediately slated Ta’amu to take Corey Hampton’s spot and anchor the Steelers DL for years to come, a mouthful for a 4th rounder.
Not many talking heads, insiders, or fans here say that Tony Bergstrom will anchor the Raiders OL for years to come, at least not yet. Of course, it isn’t like the Raiders needed a defensive tackle to anchor the Raiders DL for years to come, not with Tommy and Dick taking up space.
Kakawami says that RegMac was looking for high character prospects, does this say that Ta’amu isn’t a high character person? Did RegMac pass on Alameda because he didn’t have high enough character?
April 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
According to one of the draft guys I follow on Twitter (I think this one was Adam Caplan), Ta’amu apparently had some health/conditioning issues that caused him to drop. Nagging foot/leg injuries, and at one point in his college career he was a whopping 390lbs.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
If we are looking at so many QBs it is probably a good sign Pryor isn’t nearly ready to be a backup and possibly isn’t looked at as a QB by the present staff.
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A piece of cardboard is an upgrade compared to Rhett Bomar!
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How do we know one way or the other it wouldn’t also be an upgrade over Pryor.
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At least Pryor got to three BCS bowls and led the Ohio St *uckeyes to winning records with an extremely “unpolished” skill set. Rhett Bomar led Sam Houston St. to a 4-6 record in ‘08. I’ll take my chances that TP will grow up and grow into his skill set under CP and DA.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Lefty,
Isn’t Sorgi and a leinart coming off a shoulder injury more likely to be 3rd string prospects?
April 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c575a/article/oakland-raiders-fire-director-of-college-scouting-jon-kingdon?campaign=Twitter_news
Kingdon’s gone.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I’d take Burris over tank carder any dizay.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Here’s Bilikidi’s highlight reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He looks pretty quick and smart. I see him as Kelly’s primary backup this season.
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whoa, that’s fast for a guy that Reggie Mac admits is raw. Lets see where he is at the end of the preseason. I watched film and he’s an athlete no doubt, but he needs a lot of coaching up especially re: using his arms/hands, explosion off the snap, etc. I’m sure he’s smart, his father’s a diplomat, but right now he’s a see and go reactor per film. He’s only been playing football for a few years so he should improve quickly and should be more reactive, decisive, and explosive with more experience
if he were polished, with that athleticism and size, he would be a 1st-2nd rounder imo. Hard to find big guys that loose and agile, ease of movement, change of direction, and good acceleration once he gets going etc
he could even project to OT if he doesn’t work out on D but I think/hope he’ll be a good DL for us someday
April 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Who is going to replace Kingdon? I remember a few weeks back there was some speculation.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It would be really cool if folks mastered their native language (in this case English) before naming their children.
April 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Manning didn’t play last year. He has a bent neck
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Kudos! LMAO! Funniest thing I have read all day..! My 3 year old son is in the next room takin a bath asked me “What are you laughing at daddy?
April 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Eddie Borsilli @Borsilli
Sounds like Shaun Herock from the Packers and Joey Clinkscales from the Jets, will be coming to the #Raiders front office, in personnel
April 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Here’s Bilikidi’s highlight reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He looks pretty quick and smart. I see him as Kelly’s primary backup this season.
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I think Bilikidi’s role will be considerably different than you imagine. The dude will be groomed to be an OLB hybrid type player. They say he is smart and can think. That alone gives him an edge over RoMac.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
McKenzie himself said Bilukidi would be moving to the inside.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
McKenzie doesn’t waste any time getting rid of those that don’t measure up.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
@242…
Thanks YA, Clinkscales was the name I read.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
It seems like many Semi’s here an opinion on Pryor without much (legitimate) basis. At least Cork saw him play a lot in college. Opinion of scouts who have actually watched him is all over the map, but consensus seems to be that he needs a lot of development at minimum. To say developmental guys can’t adapt to pro game and improve is ridiculous. Some even improve fast. Did Kurt Warner come out of college as an all pro? If so, why wasn’t he even drafted. He looked really good in his first preseason game against Raiders after Trent Green got hurt, and the rest is history.
The guy played one snap for us and a few minutes of practice open to the media, who are not talent evaluators. We haven’t even seen him in preseason yet. I hope he’s a future all pro for us
April 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
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I think Bilikidi’s role will be considerably different than you imagine. The dude will be groomed to be an OLB hybrid type player. They say he is smart and can think. That alone gives him an edge over RoMac.
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
McKenzie himself said Bilukidi would be moving to the inside.
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Did McKenzie say that? in SJ Merc day after draft, they listed him at DE, at draft said DT. Whatever, hopefully he becomes a BEAST. Great upside
April 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Terrelle Pryor was the highest recruited player of his class. At 6′6 he ran a 4.4 40 in high school, he led thee Ohio State U for three years, MVP at the Rose Bowl over the ducks. Yes, speaking of character, he along with his teammates sold memorabilia and exchanged it for cash and ink, otherwise and with another year under his belt, who knows?
I’m having a hard time believing that RG III, Tannehill, or Weeden are better than Pryor. Yet, everyone dismisses him when he hasn’t taken a snap in an NFL game. Has never been in camp or OTAs, Hue and Co, had very little care of Terrelle. Given a chance, who knows? After all, this is an athlete who has had success at every facet of his life.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We just fired the Director of College Scouting?
Where are Jerry and Steve with this news?!?!?
April 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
GM Reggie McKenzie is going to make a bunch of moves in the scouting department in the coming days/weeks.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
249.
thank you sir! TP will end up the best pick of the 2012 draft. PRINT IT!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
YA, what do you suppose that means exactly ?!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
TP will end up the RAIDERS best pick of the 2012 draft.
PRINT THAT INSTEAD!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
New sheriff in town.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
GMs typically bring in their own guys from the last team they were with, so expect some Packers scouts to follow to the Raiders.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
• Violent Hands Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:06 am
“Reggie knows who can play and who can’t“
Ron Wolf
BETTER THAN JON KINGDOM DOES
April 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Pryor wasn’t part of the 2012 draft.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Gosh. After 33 years I hope the Raiders gave Kingdom a retirement plan, a watch or something. Sheesh.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
lol … beyond that though, i actually meant, does he think his scouting department as it stands suck that bad?
April 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Morilla, in our minds he was due to the high 3rd round pick we gave up … it wasn’t meant to be literal… my apologies for not clarifying.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
in other news:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aeg-takeover-oakland-coliseum-lead-l-move-raiders-190300572–nfl.html
i know people have been talking about it … but good lord .. i agree with the author there… they must get something in writing saying they won’t skip town. the fact that no one’s biting on their billion dollar investment has me worried about it. they’re a huge corporation, they can do whatever the hell they want!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Gentlemen,
Believe it or not we have one of THE best QB’s in the league RIGHT NOW. He is #3, and he is the best QB we have had in 10 years. Stop it with all this TP crap, cause right NOW all TP is, is well, CP’s TP!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuAXLpwaGwo&feature=related
April 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
POST-258,YES HE WAS..
April 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Re: Terrelle Pryor’s charachter:
Yes, speaking of character, he along with his teammates sold memorabilia and exchanged it for cash and ink, otherwise and with another year under his belt, who knows?
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I ain’t judgin Terrelle on this. I mean, NCAA won’t even let athletes have access to student loans that every non athlete has access to. How’s a poor kid supposed to survive?
If the worst “mistake” a 20 year old makes is getting money from legitimate business that his coach and other grown adults around him condone and/or cover up but is against NCAA rules that make it tough on poor kids, he’s a pretty good guy in my book
lets see how he can play. He was a winner in college football.
No opinion till I watch him play
A lot of the opinions expressed here are racially influenced one way or the other, imo
April 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I choose to disagree! Last year we had half ass camp by players and saw a lot of pro bowl talent come in over weight in the league and some were let go but we saw Gates fat and others so this year it’s under guidance not self motivation which will have these guys working harder and it’s a new day sloppy wont be on opening day roster bet that!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Where are the reporters:
Jerry is writing a page length story on the year Jon spent with the Raiders because he will miss him.
Cork is out there verifying the story before going to print.
Story already tweeted by the Chronicle RAider guy.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
To be a great player you have to have a great name.
Christo Bilukidi is a great name.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I thought that Weeks dude for the A’s was supposed to be something.
He is hiting about a buck-eighty and struggles to hit it out of the infield most times.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
According to Raiders.com, the Raiders “sister” team in the Austrian Football League is doing pretty well.
Who knew?
April 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
NCAA does not disallow student-athletes to take student loans, from what I just read.
They just can’t take loans from outside the student loan process.
Players estimated annual benefits, from tuition, 3 fully catered meals a day from the training table (at schools like OSU), room and board, school apparel and equiptment, tutor (if needed;fully paid for) and etc, etc ,is probably close to 250K a year.
The issue with Pryor wasn’t the money and tattoo’s, it was lying to NCAA investigators.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Terrelle Pryor: Andrew Luck:
Passing Efficiency Rating:
2010 NCAA 157.9 (10th) 2011 NCAA 169.7 (5th)
Pass Attempts:
2010 Big Ten 323 (5th) 2011 Pac-12 404 (7th)
Pass Completion Percentage:
2010 Big Ten 65.0 (4th) 2011 Pac-12 71.3 (1st)
Pass Completions:
2010 Big Ten 210 (5th) 2011 Pac-12 288 (5th)
Passing Yards Per Attempt:
2010 Big Ten 8.6 (4th) 2011 Pac-12 8.7 (1st)
Passing Touchdowns:
2010 Big Ten 27 (1st) 2011 Pac-12 37 (2nd)
Passing Interceptions:
2010 Big Ten 11 (1st) 2011 Pac-12 10 (7th)
Rushing Yards:
2010 754 yards 2011 150 yards
Uhhh yeah. TP all day man. Good pick Al. Go Raiders!!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Comparing Pryor to Andrew Luck. Now I have seen everything here.
April 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Terrelle Pryor: ———- Andrew Luck:
Passing Efficiency Rating:
2010 NCAA 157.9 (10th)—— 2011 NCAA 169.7 (5th)
Pass Attempts:
2010 Big Ten 323 (5th)——- 2011 Pac-12 404 (7th)
Pass Completion Percentage:
2010 Big Ten 65.0 (4th)——– 2011 Pac-12 71.3 (1st)
Pass Completions:
2010 Big Ten 210 (5th)——– 2011 Pac-12 288 (5th)
Passing Yards Per Attempt:
2010 Big Ten 8.6 (4th)—– 2011 Pac-12 8.7 (1st)
Passing Touchdowns:
2010 Big Ten 27 (1st)——- 2011 Pac-12 37 (2nd)
Passing Interceptions:
2010 Big Ten 11 (1st)—— 2011 Pac-12 10 (7th)
Rushing Yards:
2010 754 yards —–2011 150 yards
April 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
we all talk about Pryor because he is very important for our future. otherwise, we have to roll the dice on guys like Tannehill, because we may not get a top 10 pick again for a while… we cannot move in that #2 spot so easily outside of the top ten…
TP success is directly related to CP’s success… if we need TP now, we’re screwed. if CP is KILLING IT and staying clean doing it for the next 4 years to come, outlook good.
at least i know NAPALMER is our guy right now! he can easily have 4500+ yards with this offense. hopefully the new system will have him cut down on INT’s … that is also directly connected to DMC’s health this season. much is riding on our big dawgs!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
YA,
please make them stop!!!!!
April 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Ya, LOL .. i’m definitely not comparing the two. that’s like comparing Leaf and Manning(fck head is going down this season)
April 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
A few things that I am looking forward to…
1. Seeing Palmer with McFadden AND Ford. I think most of you have forgotten just how explosive Jacoby is. Do me a favor, go back and watch some footage. The dude is a flat out game changer, either WR or KR.
2. I love me some #20, but I really want to see Taiwan Jones in our ZBS. BIG potential!!
3. What will coach Allen do with the LB’s?? Our Dline play is absolutely critical to the playoff run I foresee.
…not that any of you care!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I’m more interested in D. Moore, although i do like Ford. he too, like DMC, is made out of glass. i do realize that Moore was out with an injury for a few games, but he has more potential to be that game changer we need.
i will not deny Ford has already won us games, i just want to see him healthy a full season first. i feel the same about DMC … man if everyone stays healthy with this new training staff aboard, then this team is truly going places with that offense…
whether it be west coast or vertical, ZBS or power blocking upfront … anything like what the Texans do with their offense is GOOD WITH ME! depending on our receiver’s growth this year, it could be WAY BETTER! too many targets for Palmer, who at very least compares equally to Matt Schaub. TELL ME IM WRONG!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
273.YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Comparing Pryor to Andrew Luck. Now I have seen everything here.
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YoungAmerican,
I have often wondered just why Andrew Luck was so highly rated. I suppose his stats tell the story. But TP’s stats are similiar and the fact that both QB’s won national championships would confirm that. One factor is that Luck had 4 yrs to pad his stats while Pryor had 3 yrs.
I watched several of Stanford’s games, v. Oregon and USC and I can’t say that I was very impressed with Luck. Frankly, he got his azz kicked by the opponents, both teams running away with the game, which weren’t even close.
Now most commentators (Corky included) claim TP is a project, and his chances are low to ever make it in the NFL. I don’t believe that, just as I did
not believe Corky last year on the live chat when he claimed SD would just lay down the last game of the season for us because the Bolts were beaten psychologically.
Corky was underestimated Rivers and his crew, just like he underestimates TP.
I remember a few years back when Lienart went high in the draft with commentators saying his success and greatness in the NFL was nearly guaranteed. Now look at him: a broken down mess.
Don’t count Luck in so easily; he’s a white boy who has been coodled and enabled, and probably takes too much for granted.
My vote is for TP.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
1 or 2 to be groomed as the #2, and a year or two to become a starter sounds great, until you realize his contract expires at the end of 2014.
By the end of than, we better know pretty damn much what we have.
Besides, what QB takes 4 years to be “ready” these days? Granted they all get better over time, but guys are starting, immediately these days.
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We don’t need TP to be our # 2 this year, if CP goes down we are done either way. Just let the kid hone craft. If he can’t win the QB2 spot next year dump him and move on.
If he wins the QB2 job next year we need to re-sign him at year 3’s end to a long deal.
We don’t want to be like the A’s and groom studs for other teams to benefit from.
Leave him as QB3 this year, but make sure he gets a few snaps throughout the year as a “real” QB, not just a wild cat.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Or you could let the coaching staff let him compete with Leinart or Sorgi in training camp and let it shake out that way. It isn’t rocket surgery, folks. lol
April 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
well no Raccoon .. that wouldn’t be smart. this kid will take a couple of more years to be ready, way more than the amount of time it’ll take for Palmer to be done with football. even if he were blow azz given the chance, it just counts as experience for him.
with that said, he will be holding the clipboard… so it matters not.
that’s why Leinart or Sorgie will be CP’s backup coming up soon.
TP can just sit and learn on the bench BURIED in his playbook. if he wants to succeed, that’s what it’ll take… live, breath, and sh!t football!
i’ll give him a few more years for now. let him marinate with pro football(while seeing a lot of preseason playing time) .. then i’d consider cutting him at that point.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Terrelle Pryor vs Cam Newton 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yTQk1Hc5-I
April 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
‘rocket surgery’ … YES! didn’t think anyone else said that but me for years, LOL
April 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
PS it was Al Davis’ intention to let him ride pine for a few years before stepping in. in his vision, before passing, was that JC would be teaching this kid … i think he would be glad it’s Carson Palmer instead … that’s a gift gents! learn it! love it!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
A long time ago someone in this blog used ‘rocket surgery’ and I thought it was hilarious. maybe it was you. I can’t remember.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Just,
“Rocket Surgery” is a specialized craft, indeed!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
wish i could take credit, my district manager for my job used it .. also thought it was hysterical..
lol Hardline
April 30th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Yikes.. I thought tp graded a little better.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Most of you need to take a reading comprehension course.Not one comment I’ve read said Pryor can’t be the future QB.What I and a few others are saying is right now we don’t know.Most of you are handing him the job and you haven’t seem him play one down as an NFL QB.You guys question so many players daily, yet if someone questions someone you like,you go nuts.I hope he turns into the best QB who has ever played the game,but as of now,nobody on this blog knows what will happen with him.Also,comparing him with Luck is ludicrous.Anyone doing so is trying to add fuel to the fire and not looking at reality-2 different systems where the QB was asked to do 2 different things-AND YOU KNOW IT.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Xraided Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
well no Raccoon .. that wouldn’t be smart. this kid will take a couple of more years to be ready, way more than the amount of time it’ll take for Palmer to be done with football. even if he were blow azz given the chance, it just counts as experience for him.
with that said, he will be holding the clipboard… so it matters not.
that’s why Leinart or Sorgie will be CP’s backup coming up soon.
TP can just sit and learn on the bench BURIED in his playbook. if he wants to succeed, that’s what it’ll take… live, breath, and sh!t football!
i’ll give him a few more years for now. let him marinate with pro football(while seeing a lot of preseason playing time) .. then i’d consider cutting him at that point.
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If dude isn’t good enough to be a Back Up QB after TWO years as #3 he probably is never going to be a “good” QB1 in the NFL.
I’m all for giving him another 2 seasons as qb2 after this year, but not more than this year as qb3.
It’s called Sh! T or get off the Pot!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
I hope he becomes the best if he is a Raider.If he isn’t he can go kick rocks!
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Raccoon,if we are contending and fighting for the play-offs why would you want to give your understudy QB reps during the season?We saw last year how every position is important.The regular season is no time to give backups experience if the starter is healthy.If we are in a blow-out maybe it would be possible.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
McKenzie himself said Bilukidi would be moving to the inside.
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If that’s the case then RMac is a fool and since Bilikidi is listed as a DE, in his highlight real the dude is playing up in the 5 technique, it makes little sense to stick him inside where he has limited experience.
RMac didn’t draft him to be a DT or NG.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
This is TPs rookie yr.. he would have gotten better in school than under hue. Carson couldnt even get coaching from hue.. TP has to learn a whole new book, plus the speed of the game, + ALL THE DEFENSES.. Hire a real back up.
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Once again if Newton and (soon to be starting in NY)Tebow are starting QB’s in the NFL then so can TP.
Enough with that “he’s not ready crap”
April 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
295. Yup he did.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
It’s called Sh! T or get off the Pot!
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The kid was drafted third in the supplemental draft and then served a suspension. Kids been on the team 9 months and has already had two HC’s and two OC’s. Schit or get off the pot? Are you serious? You sound like you are totally lost. Give TP three years behind CP and we can talk. TP is a project.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Marks Hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
This is TPs rookie yr.. he would have gotten better in school than under hue. Carson couldnt even get coaching from hue.. TP has to learn a whole new book, plus the speed of the game, + ALL THE DEFENSES.. Hire a real back up.
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“TP has to learn a whole new book, plus the speed of the game, + ALL THE DEFENSES.”
So does every other rookie or new team QB. RG3, Luck, Tannehill, etc, etc
April 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Cam is a starter. One of the best rookies ever.
Tebo is a mess with some talent. Not a starter..
TP has never played in the wco. Hasnt played in over a year. Has never played in the nfl… I like his potential, but I dont want to waste this season just cause tp can run fast and he’s tall.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says: In post #292 that he has no clue about the NFL.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
#287
Was actually a quote from a NBA player during an after-game interview, years ago; it may have been Shaq.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
TP —
I hope he does well
I don’t think he will
Another wasted experiment
Potential trade bait
But better than Sorgi
April 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
300. Yes exactly! All of those rookies will miss the playoffs. Not what im looking for here.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaidO Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Once again if Newton and (soon to be starting in NY)Tebow are starting QB’s in the NFL then so can TP.
Enough with that “he’s not ready crap”
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TP was taken in the 3rd rd. of the supplemental draft not 1sr overall like CN or AL. The Raiders have a quality starter at QB in CP. TP can wait. Mature. He can grow the F-up. Learn and study how to be pro. Then and only then can he get the keys to the car.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Good night! I thought Raider fans knew NFL football. Oy Vey! Bilikidi a DT? Start TP? I guess some folks have learned to love the Raiders sucking.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
howdy hey do
let leinhart, pryor, bohmar and sorgi all battle it out in camp and may the best #2 & #3 win. its that simple. reggie-o-matic will keep the best 2 and 3. its that simple. til then, sit back and enjoy the show, a cold one and some chips ‘n dip, break out the peanuts and popcorn, grab a bowl of chocolate icecream, order 3 for five bucks pepperonis’ from dominos and pre season will be here before you know it. so quit all the fussin over robitussin.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Dave,you must be a racist.(sarcasm intended)
April 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Pryor will beat out any of these scrubs they plan on bringing in… I’ll bet money on it.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
You dont play a rookie qb unless your not gonna make the playoffs. I honestly dont think we’ll make it, but im not ready to toss in the towel. We need a solid backup if cp3 goes down for 2 or 3 games
April 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Dave, reg called him a dt project, not me..
April 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
#310
That’s why we are bringing in the scrubs. You want to boost TPs’ confidence in training, not ruin it. Smart move by the new master, RegMac.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
All I know is no one can say that TP sucks because we haven’t seen him play at this level, period. He had success in college so that’s all we can go off of. Now, I’m not saying he’s Cam Newton but everyone, and I mean everyone was saying that Tebow couldn’t play and he took a 1-4 football team to deep into the playoffs. You can’t write TP off because we haven’t seen him play.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
CARSON PALMER IS GOING TO DROP BOMBS THIS SEASON!
CARSON BOMBER 2012!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
probably a lot of what you say is true, I’m sure Pryor is no angel and I really don’t know that much about the details, but that also is by choice. When the scandal broke and continued, and the Raiders were considering Pryor, I decided it wasn’t a big enough deal to spend time learning about.
At Ohio State I’m sure Pryor got enough benefits to more than survive (maybe for water polo players at Podunk U this is a legit issue). I was wrong for saying otherwise and making excuses for him. He may well be have wanted a lot of material goodies he didn’t need and may well have done some things he shouldn’t have to get them and may have lied about it as you claim.
No one should have lied, neither the kids nor the adults. But I’m not going to throw him under the bus for a mistake he made at 18-19-20 years old.
All reports are that he’s a competitor, will work hard to try to succeed, and was a winner in college in an offense that was much different than what NFL teams use.
I hope he succeeds and believe he should be given the opportunity to play QB
I’m excited to see how he fares.
To me, Terrelle Pryor is the most exciting draft pick we made in this year’s draft.
No idea if he’ll make it as an NFL QB till I see him play.
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Just Fire Baby Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
NCAA does not disallow student-athletes to take student loans, from what I just read.
They just can’t take loans from outside the student loan process.
Players estimated annual benefits, from tuition, 3 fully catered meals a day from the training table (at schools like OSU), room and board, school apparel and equiptment, tutor (if needed;fully paid for) and etc, etc ,is probably close to 250K a year.
The issue with Pryor wasn’t the money and tattoo’s, it was lying to NCAA investigators.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Liono can help tp learn the wco and knapps terminology. Lets all prey to sweet baby jesus that tp can beat out all competition for the #2 spot. But id rather find somebody better than sorgi & ml.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
I don’t give to poops about what Pryor did or didn’t say to the NCAA! The NCAA is a joke, they pick and choose who the persecute. You think there aren’t 100 other kids out there doing the exact same thing? The NCAA makes way to much off of what these kids do every weekend.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I don’t care who they bring in for the third spot. Anything’s better than Boller.
CARSON “THE MAD” BOMBER 2012! ALL DAY! SUCK IT FIVE HEAD!
YEAH BOY!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Jon kingdon, you are the weakest link! You are fired!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
I said it before and I’ll say it again take a good look at Cam Newton and you’ll see what kind of QB Terrelle Pryor is. TP is is a much better passer than Leinart ever thought about being not to mention athleticism off the charts. The kid can make all the trows and then some, much more than that he is an all-world competitor.
What he brings to the table is a nightmare in cleats the problem he’s having right now is the WCO is an O that takes a couple of years to master. It is a verbal O with extensive terminology. He played with a # system it’s like learning Greek while reading the defense. It’s the terminology that will take timeonce he gets that down it’s matter of going from tha classroom to the field and running it smoothly it takes a TON of snaps. The only reason Leinart is a candidate is he has been in that system for 10 years (college and Pro) TP has been in for 2 weeeks.
He has to show that he can asimilate the playbook to the extent where he can run certain packages (2minute) (4minute) and down and distance situational football. When they start to see that they will give him a package that he can play with and develope. Had the O never changed this kid would be on a fast track. I think it will take himm 2 training camps to feel comfortable and then LOOKOUT!!
April 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Physically, Bilukidi reminds me of Leon Lett. That’s a good thing. Lett was a Pro Bowl talent and major piece on that 90s Cowboys dynasty. Was truly a dominant player before getting caught up in some drug suspensions.
Like Bilukidi, Lett was an under the radar, small school guy: a 7th round pick out of Emporia State.
April 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I hope for the best with Terrelle Pryor. I liked the pick, thought it was good value and being that it was Al’s last pick, I truly hope Pryor has a magnificent 15+ year career. Seems like he takes his craft seriously and wants to do well.
I do think comparing him to Newton and Luck at this point is off the deep end. Let’s be honest, Pryor has never been close to that level as a passer. Forget college stats. The difference is really glaring on film.
IMO, Pryor compares more to Vince Young than anyone. But if he is truly dedicated and constantly improving that can make all the difference and he could still prove to be a very good NFL QB.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
just watched D. Moores highlights from last year. man i am so f ing juiced. i believe we have the players on d. i believe the change of system will help make these guys reach their potential. it may take most of the year to gell in the new system though. hopefully just maybe the d will get it figured out for some playoffs. i think the o has the ability to be elite. carson knows he can go down in the history books maybe even the hof if he wins a s.b. with the raiders. carsons fire to win seems HUGE right now. he has alot to prove and he has great weapons at his disposal. we know our o can win some games for us and keep us in the hunt. it may be a little ugly at first but the d will get better as the year goes.(hopefully) the afc west will once again reign supreme with the Raiidaa’s leading the way. watch out nfl the afc west is waking up HUNGRY.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
So what’s Denver gonna do when Manning gets injured again?
April 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
And just how far does KC think Cassell will take them?
April 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
2 team race this year between the Raiders and San Diego. Norv factor = Raiders win. Buy your season tix now.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
@320
I disagree Dakota…
First thing he does after getting hired is FIRE Hue Jack….
First thing he does after draft is fire a scout with 33 years experience.
This man is losing my respect very fast.
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“All blame is a waste of time. No matter how much fault you find with another, and regardless of how much you blame him, it will not change you. The only thing blame does is to keep the focus off you when you are looking for external reasons to explain your unhappiness or frustration. You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming him, but you won’t succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy.” -Wayne Dyer-
April 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Xraided Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
well no Raccoon .. that wouldn’t be smart. this kid will take a couple of more years to be ready, way more than the amount of time it’ll take for Palmer to be done with football. even if he were blow azz given the chance, it just counts as experience for him.
with that said, he will be holding the clipboard… so it matters not.
that’s why Leinart or Sorgie will be CP’s backup coming up soon.
TP can just sit and learn on the bench BURIED in his playbook. if he wants to succeed, that’s what it’ll take… live, breath, and sh!t football!
i’ll give him a few more years for now. let him marinate with pro football(while seeing a lot of preseason playing time) .. then i’d consider cutting him at that point.
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If dude isn’t good enough to be a Back Up QB after TWO years as #3 he probably is never going to be a “good” QB1 in the NFL.
I’m all for giving him another 2 seasons as qb2 after this year, but not more than this year as qb3.
It’s called Sh! T or get off the Pot!
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fair enough. it’s all good anyway, because they’ll convert him before they let him go .. you don’t just throw away that kind of talent very easily … that means the NE PATRIOTS will get ahold of him … do the Raiders want that for Al’s last pick? not me!
that’s the only reason i have strong faith in him. it’s not to bag on you lefty if you’re talking about me… i just have to believe IF DHB CAN DO IT, ANYONE CAN! Pryor can too… i live on hope with my Raiders … as does everyone else in here, right?
April 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
The only difference between Cam and TP is the coach who called the plays. TP does have a mechanical issue, he leans into his throws too much. Accuracy is more to do with timing and in that offense they just didn’t rely on it the way they should because they have a jaquar at QB. Had his coahc taken the approach RGIII coach took you’d see a lot more of what the kid can do.
When asked to make throws he made them but the passing game never got to a high level due to playcalling. People mistake accuracy with great proficiency in the timing and precision in the passing game to the QB being inaccurate. It’s a matter of reps and execution if you don’t work at it you never get great at it. In the NFL he willl get the work he needs to become a very good passer but he needs to be coached. Now I’m not saying he’ll bee Drew Brees but he can definitely play at a high level. If guys like Alex Smith and and all these checkdown artist can get by I know this kid can play much better tha someof the garbage I see on Sundays. And that is a fact………..period
April 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
effort guys are just that effort, no room for improvement.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
“AND YOU KNOW IT” was not directed at you,X.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Try Some Reality:
yes i agree. Cassel is definitely the worst QB in the division.
he’ll actually get 3rd BY DEFAULT when Peyton’s career ends early this year.
it’ll suck for him, and he’s a great QB, but i just hope it all blows up in MR. ED’S FACE!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
As far as Cork’s predictions on the final game last year, thinking an AFC West rival would lay down was unreasonable, but thinking the Raiders should win should have been reasonable, but wasn’t, and you can’t blame Cork for that.
Cork actually says he’s an Ohio State fan and watched like every game Pryor played. So it’s not like he’s ignorant on the Pryor topic and saying stuff he doesn’t know jack about like a lot of the Semi’s are doing.
However, Cork is not a good talent evaluator, at least at when he’s a reporter, and I hope he realizes that and instead of trying to evaluate talent himself, uses his reporter skills to solicit more meaningful opinions and report on them rather than just giving his own. It’s very hard to be a good talent evaluator when you’re a reporter because trying to get inside scoop and develop relationships that can help you do this inherently make you susceptible to your sources’ opinions. It’s a lot easier to evaluate talent when you have a little distance from the other stuff that’s going on, and if your paid as a reporter that’s not an option. But when I told Cork his predicting 47 “locks” for the opening day 53 man roster after the Raiders played their first preseason game with a new head coach last year, he didn’t get defensive or blow me off. Vito Tafur of the Chron was telling us that Jerome Boyd was a near lock to make the roster and probably play a key role on our D last year. I mean anybody who knows anything about NFL talent knows that a safety who practically stumbles when he transitions from backpedal to open stride is going to get lit up. The new Reggime didn’t even offer Boyd a tender. If Jerome Boyd is a lock to make your opening day roster, the story the beat writers need to be on top of is why the hell isn’t the personnel department bringing some legitimate players in to compete, not trying to figure out all the great niche roles the guy could play on defense. I really believe there are plenty of insiders who for the LOLs try to dupe beat writers. Jerry Mac is a little better at talent but didn’t he also tell us (along with all the other beat writers) 10 years ago that SS Keyon Nash was a “great prospect”. Nash couldn’t even get on the field in NFL Europe, the league where they used to develop prospects. I can just see their source laughing his ass off when he duped the beat writers into doing feature stories on Keyon Nash. All those beat writers rushing to be the first to “discover” this “gem”
I’m not much of a talent evaluator myself but at least I have a clue, and no insiders trying to dupe me, or trying to further their agenda/prop their buddies really helps matters. This is an advantage for us Semi’s
As far as being a reporter and speed at breaking stories, I think Cork is good. If you want rumors, check his/other beat writers’ twitter feed. Better that he confirms before he writes articles. There are plenty of rumor mongers
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Now most commentators (Corky included) claim TP is a project, and his chances are low to ever make it in the NFL. I don’t believe that, just as I did
not believe Corky last year on the live chat when he claimed SD would just lay down the last game of the season for us because the Bolts were beaten psychologically.
Corky was underestimated Rivers and his crew, just like he underestimates TP.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Priest,Raider fans hope so but AS OF NOW there isn’t anything on tape at this level to say it is a sure thing,just as there is nothing on tape to say it can’t happen.That is what too many of his supporters can’t comprehend.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
332. right on
still though, listen to me … IF TEBOW can do it, Pryor can. he’s more accomplished in my head. he just needs how to consistently throw a spiral downfield, then he’ll be pin point on his ball placement, IMO.
based on what i’ve seen out of him live and in his VAST amount of highlights, it’s easy to believe it it can be so.
just by looking at his film, you can see there’s plenty of potential in his game. he puts the ball on point with accuracy …
I believe he can translate in this league. he’s behind Palmer for 4 years, and LEARNS THE POSITION! PRINT IT!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
*ball on point downfield with accuracy
April 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Keep an eye on this kid. Might be a nice addition!
http://www.whptv.com/mostpopular/story/raiders-invite-Muldrow-for-tryout/amg0ZdHrqkObs9UH0INJsw.cspx
April 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
its in NO WAY a sure thing. i realize this.
like i said, living on a hope. we’ve seen the tape.
tell me Tanehill or Weeden are worlds better than he is! by that respect, he’s worth the risk as a 3rd round pick.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
still though, listen to me … IF TEBOW can do it, Pryor can. he’s more accomplished in my head. he just needs how to consistently throw a spiral downfield, then he’ll be pin point on his ball placement, IMO.
based on what i’ve seen out of him live and in his VAST amount of highlights, it’s easy to believe it it can be so.
just by looking at his film, you can see there’s plenty of potential in his game. he puts the ball on point with accuracy …
I believe he can translate in this league. he’s behind Palmer for 4 years, and LEARNS THE POSITION! PRINT IT!
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Anyone looking at highlight film to make any assertion needs to check themselves.
JaMoney had some of the best highlight film in the history of Youtube.
PRINT IT!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
336-You and others are saying you know he can do it.I’m saying I hope he can do it because as of now he hasn’t thrown 1 pass in the NFL so nobody knows for sure he will do it.Besides,there are many other requirements to be a successful NFL QB.There are tons of guys that can throw the ball and run fast that aren’t NFL QBs.There are tons of guys who have GREAT college careers who don’t make it in the NFL.I hope if he stays a Raider he does become great,but it isn’t guaranteed because we want or believe it will happen.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Here’s Bilikidi’s highlight reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He looks pretty quick and smart. I see him as Kelly’s primary backup this season.
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Love the Christo tape. All needs is to be coached up on technique and I think this kid is going to be something special.
Glad Kingdon is gone….a much needed house cleaning has been needed within the Raiders organization for quite some time. McK is getting things done.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Rick,
the guy is massive, and will probably get bigger if he gets signed. you just never know about guys like that with the drive to succeed … they could just blow up. we need a few to do so in this draft class.
V-Berg-Wiz-Bris-Barks .. i really love the OL for the first time in years!
Barks is still a big “?” at this point, but i like him better than KaWhiff at this point. If Barnes wins… that would be awful for this offense.
the man is just as much as a liability as KYLE WILLIAMS is for the niners!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I think most of you have forgotten just how explosive Jacoby is. Do me a favor, go back and watch some footage. The dude is a flat out game changer, either WR or KR.
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that explosive acceleration blowing past the well positioned CB and under the deep ball to make the clutch game breaking catch –breathtaking, and unforgettable
Jacoby doesn’t have to be an “every down” player to be a difference maker. He just has to be healthy
April 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
BTW,Teblow can’t do it and that is why his days as a starting NFL QB are over.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Lefty12 No one at least I’m not saying Pryor will ever be a prescision pocket passser at the highest levek. I’m saying when people say he’s not accurate that is not true. I’ve poured over this kids tape and I said it many times passing is NOT an issue with this it’s catching up withe the speed of the NFL and making reads getting the ball out on time. That will be his struggle early. Terminolgy aside when it comes to competitiveness you wont find a more fierce competitor. He needs to be coached up. But when I see Tannehill go that high knowing what he can and can’t do I laugh when people say TP can’t make it. They’re dead wrong, if you saw Gabbert play last year you’d wonder how he was drafted at all. I said that about him BEFORE he was drafted he’s very average same with A Smith yet they are allowed tons of margin for error. Then they turn around and say TP should play TE or WR……and make a national hero out of Tebow. It’s Laughable!!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Only thing that sucks about these highlight vids is the music. It generally sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onSTDBS38W8
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Love the Criner tape!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
How would Al Davis feel about the way the RAIDERS handled the firing of his loyal employee of 33 years?
Seems to me Reggie could have waited til the guy’s contract expired and then could choose not to offer another.
Anything would have shown more class then to fire a man a couple days after the draft.
Unbelievably sad day it is for the Raider Organization.
No Loyalty anymore I guess…at least not from the man who is supposedly supposed to be leading this team.
What a joke.
Reggie, if you are reading this….get a clue my man…get a clue!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
# Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
BSPN football analyst’s are idiots sometimes. Separation as a result of speed? Really? Separation between a WR and DB comes down to strength, not just speed.
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Getting consistent seperation as a WR is all about being smart, quick, and running precise routes.
Straight line speed is overrated.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Priest,I don’t have a problem with what you are saying.I have a problem with people on here saying it is a sure thing NOW,this year, when he hasn’t played a phucking down in the NFL.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
# backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
How would Al Davis feel about the way the RAIDERS handled the firing of his loyal employee of 33 years?
Seems to me Reggie could have waited til the guy’s contract expired and then could choose not to offer another.
Anything would have shown more class then to fire a man a couple days after the draft.
Unbelievably sad day it is for the Raider Organization.
No Loyalty anymore I guess…at least not from the man who is supposedly supposed to be leading this team.
What a joke.
Reggie, if you are reading this….get a clue my man…get a clue!
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Change was inevitable….deal with it and this is good change.
Don’t act like the Raiders have been consistent playoff contenders the past 10 years.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
IMO, Pryor compares more to Vince Young than anyone.
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At best.
If TP was anything more than a complete bust, no way would we even think of bringing in Leinert.
Leinert is pretty much a bottom tier BACKUP QB. And people still think TP is the answer?
I say give him 4-5 short yardage plays to master so we can get SOME value out of him. Either that or turn him into a TE.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
YES PRIEST! that’s what i’ve been saying. the ACCURACY is there… undeniable at this point. with those legs and strength in his running skill, this many does at least compare to Newton in that regard.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I also have a problem with people labeling anyone who has the audacity to question him a racist or say race is the reason they are questioning him.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
DKnight…
The fact that they haven’t been contenders doesn’t fall on a man who has been loyal to ONE business for 33 years.
I don’t care what the reason.
This is complete BS!
Your approval is not needed, you and everyone else has your head so far up Reggie’s backside because of a need to want to convince yourself that Reggie is a savior.
You want Oakland to win so bad that you will convince yourself anyone but an 82 year old AL DAVIS can do it….
Reggie isn’t the savior. Not by a long shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsW_P9KQtuU
Drink the SAND !
April 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Lefty12 I’m not biased towards black QB as much as I am indignant at the unlevel playing field. I think we stole Carson Palmer and I think he is evrything I would want in a QB. I watched him since he was a freshman at USC. I love his game and his approach to the game he is the perfect role model and mentor for TP. It’s not about removing Palmer as it is about getting TP up to speed. The upside of this kid is in the stratusphere. He is thr prototype for the newage QB the same way Palmer was some 9 years ago. The times they are a changing but the resistance is formidable. It’s stifling the game itself. There will always be room for a pocket passer like Drew and Tom while Aaron Rodgers is more of the newage QB. The game is progressing and I think 20 years too late.
TP has extraordinary talent that needss to be nurtured and minted. If the Raiders blow this opportunity they will regret as long as they exist IMHO!!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
the man is very raw… you must give him more than this season. he had no kind of NFL practice last season.. give him the benefit of that at least.
we’ll get to see him in action through TC and preseason… if he at least shows potential, then he’ll be given more chances. if he is absolutely atrocious, then he’s gone.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
aig-raiders Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Only thing that sucks about these highlight vids is the music. It generally sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onSTDBS38W8
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Love the Criner tape!
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Baller!
April 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Priest, are you bipolar?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I understand what you are saying.I didn’t mean to bring race up when discussing football with you because I don’t believe you are that way.Others on here are.But,back to QBs,I don’t know if I agree with you regarding the future prototype NFL QB.Both styles can be successful.There have been athletic QBs around forever.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
As I said the resistance is formidable. They just don’t like what he represents and it’ll take years of seeing it before they’ll believe it. Because They DON’T WANT IT…………..period
April 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
No need to get too excited over TP one way or another. He’s done some good things and he deserves a chance once his time comes. For now, let him get comfortable under CP.
Both the folks that are writing him off and those that think he should start now are completely out of line.
At the same time, I’m glad Big Mac and Palmer have ridded this blog of clowns like Mistic who had an agenda to push with their over-the-top rose-colored-glasses view of the Master of Mediocre, King of the Checkdown, Jason Campbell.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
If you watch Pryor on tape, he has an incredible ability to throw ON THE RUN.
And his stats were almost the same as Cam Newton’s.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
The fact that most of you ignore me says it all…
Many of you are probably employees of the Raider Organization and are afraid to say anything for fear that you are next…
April 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
359.AmysInCharge Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Priest, are you bipolar?
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The Earth is bipolar.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
TSR,thank you,that is what I’ve been saying.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Gdog, get real.
We have 3 QBs on roster. One of them is first year player Rhett Bomar. Another is a player who was a 3rd round pick who missed most of training camp and part of last season.
Bringing in more QBs to compete is a necessity. If our GM didn’t do that, he should be fired. Proves nothing about new Reggime’s opinion on Pryor being a “complete bust”
I’m sure Reggie Mac has an opinion on Pryor. After all, Reggie Mac was a scout in the NFL last year. All we know is that his team didn’t think Pryor was worth a #2 pick. For all we know the Packers may have wanted him in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft, but the Raiders’ pick was higher so we got him.
Reggie Mac said Pryor is expected to compete for the #2 QB position. He never said that there would be no competition except Rhett Bomar.
I have not seen Pryor or Bomar play yet in the Raiders offense; so I have no meaningful opinion on their future right now.
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Gdog Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
If TP was anything more than a complete bust, no way would we even think of bringing in Leinert.
Leinert is pretty much a bottom tier BACKUP QB. And people still think TP is the answer?
I say give him 4-5 short yardage plays to master so we can get SOME value out of him. Either that or turn him into a TE.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Dave,you must be a racist.(sarcasm intended)
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No harm, no foul.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
You bet, Lefty. I feel the same way. Can’t stand some of these goons that’ll come in here like clockwork – once Palmer throws his first INT – to call for his head and for Pryor to start in his place.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Lefty12 Sure there have but it’s only been acceptable if they were white. You remember Roger Staubach his own coach hated his propencity to run he thought he didn’t give the play a chance. Even before him Tarkenton and others. But they were white if the black QB did that he was thought of as uncoachable. I’ver studied this stuff for decades and I know the thinking I’ve sat around great scouts and listened to the discussions. This is an age old problem they allowed Staubach and many others to be athletic but when the QB was black they changed his position or told him he couldn’t play in this league. Why do think Warren Moon went north and so many others a list much to long to discuss.
It’s been a problem and it still is black athletic QB’s are on a short leash while the Rich Gannon’s and Steve Youngs are allowed to sit around and learn until they can produce.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
allowed to sit around and learn until they can produce.
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This is exactly what we need for TP. Sit around and learn. Get comfortable.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Yesterday I had to get lectured on how I shouldn’t comment on what Al Davis would say because of my age….and today…Oakland fires a man who has seen and heard it all..a man with a wealth of knowledge…
Read this interview with Jon Kingdon from Raiders.com and realize that today we are weaker then yesterday….
http://www.raiders.com/news/2010-Draft/article-1/Draft-QA-with-Jon-Kingdon/22f09c18-8be6-4d84-abfb-c50f2f85874a
Reggie is afraid of how this man will disagree with him in time……
He wants a guy who will agree with him. Searching for men who will agree with you is not a quality in a successful leader….
Here is a quote from Kingdon when asked how the draft is different now as opposed to the past…..
Q:Raiders.com: How much has the draft evolved over the years? At one point, it was so many rounds and then it was down to 12 and now it’s down to seven. Now we’re going to add the element of primetime in the 1st round. What have you seen over the years in how it has evolved and not only how it’s run but also in the information available to you as a scout?
Answer:From Kingdon: “It’s major in every aspect. People used to lug projectors with them. It was all film, that’s one thing. The evolution of tape to DVDs to digitized film… During the draft, you used to beg schools to give you one or two game tapes and you would have them in your office and kind of watch that together. Now, we have over a thousand college games in-house and we’ll do major cut ups. We used to have this film and you had to take care of it and you couldn’t cut up that tape and make your highlights off of them. You’d put little pieces of paper in the spools and you’d run it to each little piece of paper… so that’s a major change… The use of computers, laptops as opposed to mailing your reports in. We didn’t used to have the combine, so you have more information that way. The other thing is the public interest has just exploded. This is a major, major day for every football fan in the country and even some that aren’t. It’s to the point I remember when we had 12 rounds in one day and you started at seven in the morning and we went until 11 p.m. that night. Now, round one is one day on national TV and rounds 2-3 is another day on TV and rounds 4 through 7 is another day. There’s just so many more people involved, the internet experts, there’s a lot more information out there than there used to be. The sleepers aren’t really there like they used to be because there’s so much more coverage with the press and the like. “
April 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Someone was fired after working 33 yrs for the Raiders?
April 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
But fans will be fans. They’re impatient and they’re emotional. One of Hue’s bigger mistakes was listening to the fans and inserting Palmer one week removed from the couch.
I thought we had smart fans, but many of them really aren’t very smart at all. I think back to that, the cheering when we’re on offense, or even the “Tebow sucks” chants, meanwhile Tebow was waxing our home turf with our collective defensive players’ ass3s.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
“We have an egalitarian department where everyone’s opinion carries an equal weight.”
-Jon Kingdon-
April 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Yo Nerds
So I spent the whole day prepping for my new stand up comedy career by watching Weird Al concerts and spraying silly string all over the Certified Platinum Posse
Ordered a rainbow fright wig on Amazon, should be here by next Tues
My impressions have improved 8000% since last night, check out this one of Priesttj:
Hi folks, I’m a stubborn old fool with chickpeas for brains and the Raiders should hire me to head their scouting department, I’ll sign Jamarcus Russell and whip his butt into shape with plenty of leg kicks and one armed push ups, dognaggit
You know I just brought the funny
April 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
I was very close to Jon he taught me a lot and I saw a lot watched a lot of film with him. He brought several key players into this org. some are stars on this team today. Reggie wants to bring in his own UT buddy someone he likes and feels he can trust. This is no knock Jon he was a great soldier and very astute scout as well a Bruce Kubrik and several other but Reggie wants his own guys……….period
April 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
I hope Hue is having a good time coaching special teams in Cincinnati, lol.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
JaRu coulda been a great playah if he had better play calling to fit his strength: throwing the ball 75 yards down field. We just didn’t have the speed burners at the time or the o-line to allow the WRs’ to get 65+ down field.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Priest I’m not going there.We need to look forward instead of back and it seems now that is rapidly changing.I’d say Vick has been allowed a pretty long leash.Same could be said for V.Young.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
@377
Thank you for your post.
I have nothing else to say but I’m insanely disappointed in the Leadership of this organization….
Mr. Al Davis would be ashamed…
Goodnight
April 30th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Who needs the red zone when you can score easily from eighty yards out. JaRu coulda got the ball there on a rope.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Have a great night everyone.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Don’t get me wrong, there are some extremely astute and smart fans that show up at the O. It’s just that there are also a bunch of schmucks that don’t know much about football. Not talking about the folks that are new to football. That can be understood. It’s the morons with limited brain power that have been fans for years but don’t know jack. Only there because they like the team’s colors.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
I see…..Jon Kingdon was terminated. 33 yrs is long enough in any business especially considering the fact of lack of performance in winning. on the Raiders’ part. The scouting of course came under extreme scrutiny.
50 yrs was too long for AD to control the team: not his team but the partnerships’ team.
I am sure Kingdon was let go for good cause, or maybe no cause at all. It’s the Reggie and Mark show now, so we will live with it.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Gnite.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Lefty12 I know man it just has been a long long standing problem with me because I fought it. Things are better you cannot change a culture overnight people have to see the need to change.
No problem though I think there are enough fair minded people such as yourself who want competence and diligence and that is all that matters.
People need to see that athletic QB does not mean BLACK QB it just means athletic QB……….period
Nice talking with ya’ Al Davis did us one last solid with that kid the man was an absolute Icon in my book in a wierd way I loved that man and I’ll always miss him.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
It’s the Reggie and Mark show now, so we will live with it.
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That’s it right there, Hardline. Reggie wants to live and die with his own guys, so there’s no excuses if he fails and can be confident in that, whatever the outcome, it was his doing and his responsibility.
April 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Mark’s hair, thanks for quote from Reggie Mac re: Bilikudi being a DT. I still don’t know where you got it from though, I was searching for it but couldn’t find it myself. But you’re the second Semi to say this. The SJ Merc/ Jerry Mac/ Cork listed him as “DE”
Raidernationdave, if you’re going to “source” film at least watch it right/ watch it for real before calling Reggie Mac a fool. I actually watched the clip and saw Bilukidi playing pretty much every position on the small college Georgia St. defensive line, from RDE to 5T LDE, to standup NT . Yes, two point stance on the Nose! Or maybe Bilukidi’s self-admitted “need to learn to play lower” is worse than we thought. Watch the film again Here’s Bilikidi’s highlight reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiBwfkomOY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As far as Bilukidi’s experience at a position going down the drain, given that Bilukidi has only played a little football since his senior year in HS and thus doesn’t have much experience to lose.
And lets forget Terrelle Pryor at any position but QB—changes of position, after all, are foolish, right?
Chris in NY: aren’t you jumping the gun a little on the Leon Lett comparison? As I remember Lett was huge through the chest and arms (for his era) and could really swat blockers around. Bilukidi has real long arms but gives no indication in the film that he knows how to use them much–yet. As Reggie Mac said, he’s a project ie has long term potential. When I watch that film I see a big athletic man with great ease of movement, agility, change of direction, and body control, good acceleration once he gets moving, but not much iron in his mittens or whack off the snap. He looks like a tentative, but smart watch-see-go reactor who will become more explosive, reactive, and instinctive with more football experience and technique work. Looks like he has a lot of long term potential, but I wouldn’t expect too much too soon
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• Raidernationdave Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
McKenzie himself said Bilukidi would be moving to the inside.
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If that’s the case then RMac is a fool and since Bilikidi is listed as a DE, in his highlight real the dude is playing up in the 5 technique, it makes little sense to stick him inside where he has limited experience.
RMac didn’t draft him to be a DT or NG.
• Marks hair Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Dave, reg called him a dt project, not me..
• Chris in NY Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Physically, Bilukidi reminds me of Leon Lett. That’s a good thing. Lett was a Pro Bowl talent and major piece on that 90s Cowboys dynasty. Was truly a dominant player before getting caught up in some drug suspensions.
Like Bilukidi, Lett was an under the radar, small school guy: a 7th round pick out of Emporia State.
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