Raiders live chat today at noon
By Jon Becker
Tuesday, May 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am in Oakland Raiders.
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May 1st, 2012 at 8:02 am
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May 1st, 2012 at 8:06 am
Lakers!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am
Matt Leinart isn’t taking the Raids to the playoffs.
So Matt Leinart knows Knapps offense. Big deal.
Matt Leinart stinks. His arm is way too weak to succeed in the NFL. Not talking about marginally weak, talking about pathetically weak.
Matt Leinart will not win games for the Raiders.
If CP goes down the Raids are better served finding out what TP can do than wasting a minute of time on Matt Leinart.
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co-signed, 99
May 1st, 2012 at 8:08 am
yo
May 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am
Ban Jamista Clown
May 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Posted by Josh Alper on May 1, 2012, 11:08 AM EDT
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Before the draft, wide receiver Jabar Gaffney said that the Redskins were trying to trade him.
That didn’t happen, but Gaffney is still gone from Washington. Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports first reported that the team has released Gaffney and PFT has confirmed the news.
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I would have signed a guy like this before using yet another draft pick on ANOTHER young WR.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
I like volek, maybe beck or vy. Im just noy comfortable with liono & sorji at all.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Im not UP on Leinart. I just think its far too soon to judge a guy who’s only started 11 games. What did Gannon look like after his first 11 games? See my point. These guys need time.
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Riff comparing Leinart to Gannon? Puke!!
try JaMarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, Jason Campbell or JP Losman (career losers)
May 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
@Mark
Leinart isn’t a lion. he’s a pu$$y ……… cat
May 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
Snarf snarf
May 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
Neil B and ENGLANDRAIDER..
major setback for england that you’ve hired Roy Hodgson..
May 1st, 2012 at 8:16 am
We are not DOWN on Pryor. He is just very raw. Ohio St did not do anything to develop him. They stunted him
Just two more seasons and then Pryor will be a serviceable backup
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@Riff
hilarious!!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am
for sports fans who wants to know what amount of money the franchises around the world use per week in salaries for their players…
first NFL team is #75, steelers. we are at #80..
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7850531/espn-magazine-sportingintelligence-global-salary-survey-espn-magazine
May 1st, 2012 at 8:27 am
Lakers going to thump the Turd nuggs again tonight lol…..
May 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am
Lakers organization will bail out Hill they need him for depth, if his girlfriend is a jeleous crazed biittvch then she probably lied since a women’s story will always be favored. She prob caught him woth some Houston hood rats.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am
I havent seen tp throw in a while, but his form wasnt consistant at all. Mostly his feet. He needs fundamental work as well as learning the wco.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Former Raiders face ID theft, tax fraud charges:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/01/william-joseph-michael-bennett-face-id-theft-tax-fraud-charges/
May 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Yep, I will always use Gannon as my comparison. He’s the best we’ve ever had.
He’s a great example of how good someone can be if you give them time to develop.
He’s a great example of how overrated arm strength is.
11 games does not make a starting QB in this league.
And I dont see what is so hilarious about my stance on Pryor. My comments arent opinion. It’s a fact, Tressel just used Pryors athletic abilities. He didnt develop his QB IQ at all. He needs a lot of work to be brought up to the level of where a normal rookie QB is now. Pryor has all the physical tools to be great, but he got nowhere near the football education that someone like Andrew Luck got. Pryors footwork, mechanics, and mental game all need a lot of work. Show me someone credible that feels any different and I will show you a unicorn.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:33 am
I would have signed a guy like this [Jabar Gaffney] before using yet another draft pick on ANOTHER young WR.
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@HB
plenty of decent vet WR’s out there.
Don’t forget Terrell Owens, Braylon Edwards & Plaxico Burress. I agree. How much youth do we need at WR & TE ???
DHB, Murphy & Myers were just drafted in 2009. They are the “vets” on the roster in those position groups
May 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am
328.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
@320
I disagree Dakota…
First thing he does after getting hired is FIRE Hue Jack….
First thing he does after draft is fire a scout with 33 years experience.
This man is losing my respect very fast.
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“All blame is a waste of time. No matter how much fault you find with another, and regardless of how much you blame him, it will not change you. The only thing blame does is to keep the focus off you when you are looking for external reasons to explain your unhappiness or frustration. You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming him, but you won’t succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy.” -Wayne Dyer-
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LMAO
How could anyone fire Hue Jackson? I mean, the dude is a Hall of Famer!!!! So loyal and honest himself! I am sure he would happily have accepted Reggie as his boss after openly declaring that he was taking over the organization……
Kingdon…head scout for 33 years….guy failed on McClain, DHB, Russell, Gallery, Schweigert, Buchanon, Washington and the list goes on and on and on…..hard to say how much say he really had, but he at least didn’t convince Al that he should avoid those losers….for that alone he should be fired. He has been part of the problem for more than a quarter century of bad to mediocre football since out last SB victory. bye bye, don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am
#1 I will always use Gannon as my comparison
#2 My comments arent opinion. It’s a fact
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no need to read anything else from you, Riff
you have been effectively placed on “Debo” status
May 1st, 2012 at 8:40 am
Raider Riff.
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Raider Riff Says:
Rockstar,
Are you saying that Bob was calling to pick a TE with our #95 pick?
I think JFB was saying that Bob’s hands were all over this draft, meaning, we got the guys he wanted. But if he was pushing for a TE then that is news to me, I missed that day.
Fill me in on what youre refering too.
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That’s kind of true.
I said that if Reggie followed his “best player available” approach and Georgia’s TE Orson Charles fell to the 95th pick, we should take him and I stand by my position.
I wasn’t specifically looking for TE with 95th pick, I was looking for the best player available who might drop to us and I felt that Orson Charles could be that guy, it turns out he was available and we didn’t pick him, he went to Cincy a few picks later.
And the Raiders didn’t pick any kid I mentioned prior to the Draft (as usual) so it turns out I just wasted a lot of time looking up for players I liked…LOL.
But I’ll follow those guys I liked, just to see if my gut was right.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Wassup Morning Crew! What it do?
May 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Arizona State OL Dan Knapp joins the Oakland Raiders, per a league source.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
best case scenario for Pryor = “serviceable backup” in 2-3 years ???
but Leinart can be the next Gannon ???
to quantify any of your opinions as “facts” is beyond ridiculous. Can’t wait until Raider O gets here to rip you a new one – he’s not as mellow as I am.
JFB, to put this guy Riff on staff would be a mistake – like Kiffin. He has some hidden agenda
May 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
I’ll follow those guys I liked, just to see if my gut was right.
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trade Riff for Marley’s gut!!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
Gannon was good before he got here. He had a better arm, better feet, better legs, better eyes, a stronger will and a better football I.q than lienhert.. Theres no comparison.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:45 am
Tray Session @TRAYSESSION
Just got invited to the Oakland Raiders camp! Thank the Lord!!
Not a contract but I’m not gonna stop working til I get one.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Arizona State OL Dan Knapp joins the Oakland Raiders, per a league source.
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whew, good thing we signed this guy!!
Bergstrom isn’t ready. too raw. just two more years and he’ll be a serviceable backup. his college coaches didn’t teach him anything.
Right, Riff?
May 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Nevada Wolf Pack wide receiver Tray Session ??
another camp body.. cool
May 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Well my guess earlier this year is Reggie would bring in at least 20 UDFA’s… how many are we at now? Anyone know a hard number?
May 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Raiderjhawk Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Well my guess earlier this year is Reggie would bring in at least 20 UDFA’s… how many are we at now? Anyone know a hard number?
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I think we’re waiting for Oakland to officially announce them. So far, nothing.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:50 am
For the record.
Georgia TE Orson Charles, Texas LB Emmanuel Acho, Tenn DL Malik Jackson and LSU CB Ron Brooks were the guys I liked (and mentioned) the most in the mid rounds.
NT Charles Deas, DT Marcus Forstson, RB’s Tauren Poole and Bryce Brown were late picks that I liked, I think most of these kids went undrafted…lol.
Anyways, 3 weeks of internet “research” and a few college games watched don’t make me a Scout, I just wish I had more time to watch college football… stupid real life.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Look,
Any scout working for the Raids should fear for his job. To say Regg should be loyal to any of these guys is just bad business. Think the scene from “MoneyBall” when Beane talks to the scouts.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
@ jhawk
my count:
6 WR’s
2 OL
2 DL
3 DB
1 P
14 = total
May 1st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Any scout working for the Raids should fear for his job
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@Reign
same could be said about the roster imo, unless we would take a huge cap hit releasing the player (like McClain)
no more scholarships!!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:53 am
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Raiders-purportedly-linked-to-15-UDFAs?blockID=700072&feedID=2539&awid=7388728274219813065-766
May 1st, 2012 at 8:55 am
Amy Trask on KNBR:
http://www.knbr.com/portals/3/podcasts/murphmac/050112amytrask.mp3
May 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am
15 UDFA’s have purportedly signed with the Raiders, which would give them 80 players on their roster. The roster limit is 90 players.
A quick glance, then, at the names of the players claiming to have been signed by the Raiders as UDFA’s before the Raiders actually announce the signings…
Fort Valley State punter Marquette King
Wisconsin safety Aaron Henry
Beloit receiver Derek Carrier
Pittsburgh guard Lucas Nix
Utah cornerback Conroy Black
Penn State defensive back Chaz Powell
USC receiver Brandon Carswell
California (PA) Thomas Mayo
UNR defensive end Kaelin Burnett
Missouri defensive lineman Dominique Hamilton
Kansas State defensive tackle Raphael Guidry
Arizona State offensive lineman Dan Knapp
Temple receiver Rod Streater
San Diego State linebacker Mario Kurn
San Jose State running back Brandon Rutley
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thanks YA !!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am
I like our picks. When you include cp3, jones, barks & curry it was a pretty great draft.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am
Missouri defensive lineman Dominique Hamilton
Kansas State defensive tackle Raphael Guidry
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Reggie looks to Podunk for run stuffers
yeah, baby!
May 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Any scout working for the Raids should fear for his job
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@Reign
same could be said about the roster imo, unless we would take a huge cap hit releasing the player (like McClain)
no more scholarships!!
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The greatest thing about Reggie is that he has already bitten the bullet. Getting rid of guys like Wimbley and Routt will make us more financially stable next year.
It’s funny how people wanted Reggie to keep the trash and were angry when he got rid of it.
May 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
“The Raiders have fired longtime scout Jon Kingdon, according to the NFL Network”.
I don’t know that I like this move.
Al may have given us some real suprises with his wild azz gambles in first round picks but the scouts were often good in the middle and beyond.
Veldheer and D. Moore spring to mind.
McKenzie is entitled to hire his own people though.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
I Reggie I trust… what else can we do.
I actually have a really good feeling about the direction of our team and I’m not an optimist by any means.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
You from MO Rockstar?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
It’s funny how people wanted Reggie to keep the trash and were angry when he got rid of it.
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Agreed. also applies to the coaching staff
Hue Jackson, Chuck Bresnahan, Greg Biekert & Rod Woodson had to go!!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am
You from MO Rockstar?
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@jhawk
you know it, buddy!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
“The Raiders have fired longtime scout Jon Kingdon, according to the NFL Network”.
I don’t know that I like this move.
Al may have given us some real suprises with his wild azz gambles in first round picks but the scouts were often good in the middle and beyond.
Veldheer and D. Moore spring to mind.
McKenzie is entitled to hire his own people though.
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Giving any of these guys credit for anything is pure speculation.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
Funny that people cried when Jackson was fired, Saunders was demoted and Woodson wasn’t retained …
Lal, Waufle & Fassel were the only guys who found work elsewhere in the NFL and two of those guys joined the lowly Rams!!
it’ll be interesting to see what Lal & Schilens do in NY though imo
May 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
It’s funny how people wanted Reggie to keep the trash and were angry when he got rid of it.
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Agreed. also applies to the coaching staff
Hue Jackson, Chuck Bresnahan, Greg Biekert & Rod Woodson had to go!!
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In Hue’s case he proved he wouldn’t play second fiddle to anybody.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
“The Raiders have fired longtime scout Jon Kingdon, according to the NFL Network”.
I don’t know that I like this move.
Al may have given us some real suprises with his wild azz gambles in first round picks but the scouts were often good in the middle and beyond.
Veldheer and D. Moore spring to mind.
McKenzie is entitled to hire his own people though.
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Giving any of these guys credit for anything is pure speculation.
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Huh?
It seems to me that you have to give the scouting department credit for successful scouting.
That’s their job, not speculation.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
We’re neighbors Rockstar…
May 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
Funny that people cried when Jackson was fired, Saunders was demoted and Woodson wasn’t retained …
Lal, Waufle & Fassel were the only guys who found work elsewhere in the NFL and two of those guys joined the lowly Rams!!
it’ll be interesting to see what Lal & Schilens do in NY though imo
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Yeah when most of your coaches don’t land anywhere else in the league that is a bad sign. However, it’s a good sign for Reggie, in that he knows how to correctly of evaluate people.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
Wait I thought Al made all the picks? Isn’t that what everyone said? Al got credit good or bad for our picks anyways, welcome to the 21st century fella’s.
Reggie’s the boss, he can do whatever he wants as far as I’m concerned.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:10 am
Huh?
It seems to me that you have to give the scouting department credit for successful scouting.
That’s their job, not speculation.
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Where is Kool Kell when you need him?
Over the past 20 years this scouting department has been trash. With WAY more failures than success. IT’S DOCUMENTED!!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:10 am
In Hue’s case he proved he wouldn’t play second fiddle to anybody
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First we find out that he was getting his toenails done as the team prepared for the game and now we find out he was playing the fiddle.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am
Raider Riff,
Why would it take 2 years to develop TP as a backup QB?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am
Although people say the Raiders have a very talented team, a lot of it is smoke people are blowing up our asses…. It’s a competition… People aren’t going to tell you to get better when they know you suck…
May 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:10 am
Huh?
It seems to me that you have to give the scouting department credit for successful scouting.
That’s their job, not speculation.
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Where is Kool Kell when you need him?
Over the past 20 years this scouting department has been trash. With WAY more failures than success. IT’S DOCUMENTED!!!!
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You need KK to prove your point huh?
LOL.
KK’s alright but he’s the same guy who spent on here arging with me that the corporate tax rate wasn’t 35%.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:10 am
Huh?
It seems to me that you have to give the scouting department credit for successful scouting.
That’s their job, not speculation.
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Where is Kool Kell when you need him?
Over the past 20 years this scouting department has been trash. With WAY more failures than success. IT’S DOCUMENTED!!!!
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You need KK to prove your point huh?
LOL.
KK’s alright but he’s the same guy who spent on here arging with me that the corporate tax rate wasn’t 35%.
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Will let me make it simple then
Raiders scouting + History = sucks
May 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Recent History*
May 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t like firing people that dedicated most of their life to my org.
RIP AL!! I do miss you sir.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
it’s a good sign for Reggie, in that he knows how to correctly evaluate people.
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Yes!!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:19 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t like firing people that dedicated most of their life to my org.
RIP AL!! I do miss you sir.
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Me either, but business is business. And this is a PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION not a family.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:19 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am
Matt Leinart isn’t taking the Raids to the playoffs.
So Matt Leinart knows Knapps offense. Big deal.
Matt Leinart stinks. His arm is way too weak to succeed in the NFL. Not talking about marginally weak, talking about pathetically weak.
Matt Leinart will not win games for the Raiders.
If CP goes down the Raids are better served finding out what TP can do than wasting a minute of time on Matt Leinart.
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Until TP does something in the Preseason we just need to agree to disagree on that one. TP has not even thrown a pass yet.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am
I was a Hue fan at the start but most penalties evah and his strange behavior towards the end there really did it for me.
Now he’s an assistant coach…tells you all you need to know about what the league thinks of him.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
So most people on this site agree it is very important for a head coach to hire his own coaching staff, but a GM shouldn’t be able to hire his own scouts?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Until TP does something in the Preseason we just need to agree to disagree on that one. TP has not even thrown a pass yet.
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Exactly my point, AW.
you and Riff are writing off Pryor before the man even gets a freaking opportunity. Racists?
Leinart is a proven loser. 1st round bust. nobody wants him
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
8RaiderReign8:
Don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Your detailed argugments and elequence are overwhelming.
Or at least, you have a knack for making it simple.
I’d stay and continue but I’m participating in a race this morning and have to leave.
I’m in California and have to drive from SoCal to the Bay Area along Interstate 5.
ESPN should look at that race as a featured event on TV
May 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
Looking at the Undrafted Free Agents, for the first time, a couple of guys stand out:
Missouri DT Dominique Hamilton 6′5 313:
- Looks like a good player vs the run, every report I’ve read mentions his run-stuffing ability, no pass-rushing ability at all, but we got other who can do that, a 2 down player they say.
“Positives —
Very intriguing potential 3-4 nose tackle due to his strength and run-stopping ability; also flashes some burst off the line of scrimmage, can eat up blockers and push and penetrate the pocket.
Big body with good power at the point of attack, long arms and can punch lineman back, can be difficult to engage, can deliver a jolt and establish hand position on contact, gets some push on the bull rush and can overpower blockers.
Solid leg drive, keeps his legs moving, can generate a push on the pocket.
Has the strength to anchor against double teams and holds his ground at the point inside, looks like a two-down run stuffer at the next level, does a great job as a run stopper in the middle of the line, can occupy blockers and free up others around him to make plays.
Plays with a good motor and shows good awareness of the ball carrier, has plus instincts and can make some plays in pursuit.
If he can add some weight and develop into a 3-4 nose tackle he could end up being a tremendous value pick late in day three.
At this point, only has the potential to fill out and play at nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme, but still fits either scheme either at the nose in a four-man front or as a 3-4 defensive end (5-technique).
Negatives —
His lack of athleticism was exploited at the combine, 5.54-40 was the slowest among all defensive linemen.
Routinely gets upright off the ball, doesn’t use his hands well to shed through contact and is primarily a bull rusher who can push the pocket, but lacks much of an arsenal of pass rush moves.
Doesn’t look very comfortable in stack and shed situations, needs to be more consistent with his hand usage and placement.
Can get upright when he tires and expose himself, loses stamina as the game moves on, tires too easily.
Would need to add considerable weight to be considered full time as a 3-4 nose, weighed in seven pounds lighter than his listed weight at Missouri, value is minimized without the potential to play inside in a three-man front.
Minor durability concerns, played in seven games during his junior season and missed spring practices this season following a broken ankle that required surgery.”
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One more:
A tall, long-armed defensive tackle with a thick, but athletic looking, frame. Still has the ability to continue to fill out, but carries his 305-pounds very well.
Is at his best vs. the run game. He coils up well for a taller defensive tackle and can keep his base under him, with his back flat, and doesn’t waste any motion getting off the football.
Exhibits good ball awareness inside off the snap and has a “plus” first step for his size. He also does a nice job staying low off the ball, extending his arms into the chest plate of blockers and creating a jolt into contact.
Works his legs through the point and has the lower body strength to overwhelm into the backfield and/or fight his way off of blocks when trying to one-gap.
Does a nice job extending his arms through the play and controls blocks well through contact. Is strong armed and can anchor, but tends to get a bit upright through the play and is straight-legged, which takes away from his ability to shed and two gap.
Is a bit inconsistent at times locating the football as well, he’ll sometimes take himself out of plays inside, but exhibits good range in pursuit, can play off blocks and has a good motor working toward the football.
Is still developing as a pass rusher. He displays some get off burst and athletic ability when asked to stunt inside and close, but he struggles to keep his pad level down as effectively off the ball when trying to rush the passer.
He gets upright, which limits his get-off burst and power into contact and he can be easily handled on contact. Doesn’t use his hands as well to violently shed and isn’t real laterally sudden when trying to side step defenders.
He played in only seven games last season due to a broken ankle and might have some medical concerns going forward.
Impression:
Plays the run much stronger than his frame would indicate. He’s got a burst off the snap, plays with leverage and extends his long arms. Has the frame to add 15 to 20 pounds and looks like a 3-4 five-technique at the next level who could start in the league.”
May 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
May the best QB win.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
So most people on this site agree it is very important for a head coach to hire his own coaching staff, but a GM shouldn’t be able to hire his own scouts?
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sanity
May 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
Now he’s an assistant coach…tells you all you need to know about what the league thinks of him.
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@ Banana
not even a position coach like QB, RB, WR or TE
certainly not an OC
asst ST/DB coach ?? LOL!!
Marvin Lewis was giving his buddy a job. no other reason Cincy would have hired him in that capacity
May 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
8RaiderReign8:
Don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Your detailed argugments and elequence are overwhelming.
Or at least, you have a knack for making it simple.
I’d stay and continue but I’m participating in a race this morning and have to leave.
I’m in California and have to drive from SoCal to the Bay Area along Interstate 5.
ESPN should look at that race as a featured event on TV
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Thanx… Coming from an Englander that means something
May 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:19 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t like firing people that dedicated most of their life to my org.
RIP AL!! I do miss you sir.
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Me either, but business is business. And this is a PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION not a family.
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Too bad. That was an one of the reasons why I became a fan. Al ran it like a family more than a business, and he valued loyalty.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:19 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t like firing people that dedicated most of their life to my org.
RIP AL!! I do miss you sir.
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Me either, but business is business. And this is a PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION not a family.
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Too bad. That was an one of the reasons why I became a fan. Al ran it like a family more than a business, and he valued loyalty.
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Loyalty is one thing, but let me ask you Raider O. If you put it in five years, let alone 20, of crappy work on your job, do you think they will be loyal to you for long?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
So most people on this site agree it is very important for a head coach to hire his own coaching staff, but a GM shouldn’t be able to hire his own scouts?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
“The Raiders have fired longtime scout Jon Kingdon, according to the NFL Network”.
I don’t know that I like this move.
Al may have given us some real suprises with his wild azz gambles in first round picks but the scouts were often good in the middle and beyond.
Veldheer and D. Moore spring to mind.
McKenzie is entitled to hire his own people though.
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Dutch:
Are you talking to me?
That is what I actually said.
Note the last sentence.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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I take it back.
Fk you guys 2 this morning.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
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@DMAC
thats a little short sighted imo
if Leinart beats out Pryor (first he has to beat out Sorgi in the tryout and prove he’s healthy) and Bomar for #2 QB, I’m going to assume it’s because he has 6 years NFL experience under his belt, the last 2 under current OC Greg Knapp. Pryor is just getting his feet wet. 1st OTA’s. 1st Camp. 1st Preseason. 1st Regular Season without a suspension or d-bag play caller. Also, he hasn’t played in a meaningful football game since January 2011. 14+ months
Pryor has some work to do and Dennis Allen said as much. No reason he can’t be #2 QB though. Leinart, Sorgi & Bomar all have more to prove than he does. Pryor will be ready when his number is called. I’ll roll with potential over proven sack of trash 100 times out of 100.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:33 am
UDFA Mario Kurn (SDSU),
@ 6′2″ 238, dude looks headed to OLB.
Led the FCS with 17 sacks in 2010.
Well, at least he dominated his level of competition…Reg, if anything, is consistent with his methodology…
http://www.sdfootball.net/2012/04/2012-nfl-draft-spotlight-mario-kurn.html
May 1st, 2012 at 9:33 am
I never did crappy work so I can’t tell you, and you are assuming his work is crappy without any proof. He didn’t make the picks, AL did.
I can tell you this. I run my business like a family. I care about profits, but not more than people who are loyal to me and my business.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:33 am
Start spreading the news
Former Raiders and Chargers RB Michael Bennett has been arrested as part of a federal identity-theft probe.
Also arrested was former first-round bust DT William Joseph. The pair are alleged to have been part of a ring that conspired to steal people’s identities and file false tax returns in their names. A first-round pick in 2001, Bennett last appeared in the league in 2010, rushing twice for 11 yards for Oakland.
Source: Miami Herald
May 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
8RaiderReign8:
Don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Your detailed argugments and elequence are overwhelming.
Or at least, you have a knack for making it simple.
I’d stay and continue but I’m participating in a race this morning and have to leave.
I’m in California and have to drive from SoCal to the Bay Area along Interstate 5.
ESPN should look at that race as a featured event on TV
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Thanx… Coming from an Englander that means something
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8Raider:
I know and you’re welcome.
I look forward to the day when you get to be 9Raider.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
You can replace money/ profits, but you can’t replace people.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
What’s up DMAC?
As for being a fan…I became a fan because of the aura and the bad boy image that the Raiders have represented in the 70’s with that D and Kenny’s drunken heroics, LOL…
Al kept me loyal!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Hey DMAC,
Its flying all over the place in here. You better duck!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
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@DMAC
thats a little short sighted imo
if Leinart beats out Pryor (first he has to beat out Sorgi in the tryout and prove he’s healthy) and Bomar for #2 QB, I’m going to assume it’s because he has 6 years NFL experience under his belt, the last 2 under current OC Greg Knapp. Pryor is just getting his feet wet. 1st OTA’s. 1st Camp. 1st Preseason. 1st Regular Season without a suspension or d-bag play caller. Also, he hasn’t played in a meaningful football game since January 2011. 14+ months
Pryor has some work to do and Dennis Allen said as much. No reason he can’t be #2 QB though. Leinart, Sorgi & Bomar all have more to prove than he does. Pryor will be ready when his number is called. I’ll roll with potential over proven sack of trash 100 times out of 100.
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Didn’t you just say Leinart was garbage?
If TP can’t beat him out, then there’s a serious problem then, right?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
how much do the Nuggets win by tonight??
May 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
Marks Hair,
Paul Hackett changed Gannon. His words not mine.
RaiderRockstar,
Way to misquote me and take words I said out of context.
If Pryor developed into a legitimate #2 to Palmer within 2-3 years, that would be a really big accomplishment. And after that another 2 seasons and he could be ready to take over for Palmer. What is so ridiculous about that?
Pryor came to the Raiders about as raw as any college freshmen. That isnt even debatable.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
The other UDFA that seems intriguning is Chaz Powell, CB, Penn State.
Kid looks the part in a uniform but very raw and just recently moved to CB after playing WR and being recruited as a S, very good athlete who also returns kicks and plays Gunner on ST’s, always a plus.
Height: 6’0″
Weight: 203
“Strengths:
•Great athlete and great speed
•Great kick returner
•Very good size
•Lots of untapped potential
•Lots of special teams experience playing gunner on punts and covering kicks
•High football IQ, good instincts
•Great hands and leaping ability with a nose for the ball
•Great closing speed
•Willing and able tackler
Weaknesses:
•Limited experience at corner, only played 18 games at the position
•No experience in man coverage
•Really raw
•Technique is lacking and will need to be coached up
•May lack a true position
Chaz Powell is somewhat of an unknown quantity among the common fan but he’s a player that scouts are well aware of and is highly regarded.
Powell was a productive player whenever he was on the field for Penn State.
Powell came in as a safety recruit and redshirted in 2007 learning the position. Penn State was very deep at safety though so he played wide receiver and returned kicks as a freshman and sophomore.
Powell finally moved to cornerback for good mid-way through his junior season and started the final five games. He then went on to start all 13 games as a senior.
Powell has shown to be a playmaker when he gets the ball in his hands, sporting a very solid kick return average and returning a pair for touchdowns in his career.
Powell also has tons of experience on special teams coverage units as he was the gunner on punts for pretty much his entire career and played on the kick coverage unit.
As a defender, Powell is very raw. Penn State really only played zone concepts in the secondary so he only has experience in zone and some off man.
Powell’s overall technique improved every game over his 18 game starting career but it still has plenty of room for improvement.
Powell is a smooth athlete that has fluid hips and can run with anyone but his footwork needs cleaning up for him to be more effective in transition.
Powell rarely gets beat deep between the off coverage and his great speed.
He’s a physical player that’s not afraid to mix it up in the run game but he’s got no experience in bump and run and will need further development to make the transition to that type of scheme.
That being said, Powell’s skillset projects well to any scheme and even projects well to multiple positions as an NFL team could move him back to WR with his great ball skills, keep him at corner, or even move him to free safety where he was originally recruited to play.
Powell is already a great special teamer and he’s the kind of high upside player that teams love to target late in drafts that can come in and be a special teams stud from day one and has the upside to develop into a starter a few years down the road.”
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One more, from a Penn State site, they should know him well and I don’t see much of a homer’s point of view:
“Powell is a tremendous athlete, but he’s still very raw in the secondary–though he’s got two years of experience now, he still hasn’t shown much scheme diversity.
I’m not sure he’s ever played any bump-and-run, for instance, and he’ll need to be groomed into an NFL corner.
The benefit to any interested team, though, is that Powell isn’t a guy who’ll have to be stashed on special teams or be inactive while he learns and grows as a defensive back.
Immediately, he can step in and return kicks for a team that’s deficient in that area. And, should the entire wide receiver corps come down with the flu, Powell is uniquely able to provide some emergency depth at that position, too–kind of like a bizarro Mike Furrey.
Long story short, Powell is too athletic and versatile not to make at least some impact in the NFL, and though he likely won’t be more than a late-round draft pick, odds are better that he’s a diamond in the rough than a wasted selection.”
May 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Hey DMAC,
Its flying all over the place in here. You better duck!
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What up Reign
Don’t trip, I got my Raider leather helmet on.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am
8Raider:
I know and you’re welcome.
I look forward to the day when you get to be 9Raider.
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To be honest it’s actually an infinity symbol…8… Like the rain as of Raiders is never ending 8
May 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Hwnrdr
What up?
Another day, another $
May 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
TE Derek Carrier is also a nice prospect but we talked about him plenty before the Draft, good to see him signed.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5823324
Baldinger comments on Raiders’ draft and Rod Woodson’s comments on lack of coaching last year-(5:24 Draft comments, 6:30 Woodson Comments, skip the 9ers draft talk)
May 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
93.DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Hwnrdr
What up?
Another day, another $
True dat!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
@DMAC
problem is, Pryor is still learning. still using the potty chair.
Leinart has full use of his stuff and he uses them to whizz on the electric fence or crap in the woods and use pine cones to wipe
see what i’m saying?
Pryor may not be better on May 1st of 2012, but he will be by September 1st of 2012!!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
RaiderRockstar,
Now you want to call me a racist? WTF?
For the millionth time, Im not writing off Pryor at all. I think he is worth developing.
Im just not naive about how poorly a football education he got at Ohio St. But I love the kids work ethic and potential.
I would be saying the exact same thing about any rookie QB we draft. They need to be developed. Pryor just needs it more than most. Im not down on him in any way.
I think it is u who has the agenda.
And nice try in thinking that Raider O is going to put me on blast.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
One of the most profitable corp is Google. Do you know how they treat their employees? Like family! Google it.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
@DMAC
problem is, Pryor is still learning. still using the potty chair.
Leinart has full use of his stuff and he uses them to whizz on the electric fence or crap in the woods and use pine cones to wipe
see what i’m saying?
Pryor may not be better on May 1st of 2012, but he will be by September 1st of 2012!!
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So what your saying is that Leinhart is a better QB right now over TP, even though he’s garbage?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
If Pryor developed into a legitimate #2 to Palmer within 2-3 years, that would be a really big accomplishment. And after that another 2 seasons and he could be ready to take over for Palmer. What is so ridiculous about that?
Pryor came to the Raiders about as raw as any college freshmen. That isnt even debatable.
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@Riff
Pryor is basically a rookie, I’ll give you that
college freshman? get out of here with that bs
you think Palmer is gonna start another 5 years??
he turns 33 this year and already retired once!
Besides, in 5 years Pryor wont even be under contract, lol. Neither will Palmer!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
The Redskins released WR Jabar Gaffney after “several failed attempts” to work out a trade.
Source: Washington Post
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I would say……
Let’s bring him in for some vet. support, but I think we’re fully loaded at the position now.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
One of the most profitable corp is Google. Do you know how they treat their employees? Like family! Google it.
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Yeah and their employees don’t SUCK… Google it!
The simple fact is you cannot be an unproductive employee in this world or you won’t have a job.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
@DMAC
I don’t know what Pryor has “right now” , thats kind of the point. He’s a relative unknown. basically our 3rd round pick this year. played well in college though
We do know what Leinart has!!
Matt has experience, but no talent.
Terrelle doesn’t have experience (yet) , but he does have the talent.
Why is that so hard for you people to understand?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
One of the most profitable corp is Google. Do you know how they treat their employees? Like family! Google it.
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Yeah and their employees don’t SUCK… Google it!
The simple fact is you cannot be an unproductive employee in this world or you won’t have a job.
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Unless, your fking your boss.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
DMAC, O , Hwnrdr… good afternoon my brothers !!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Raider O, I just saw your question.
The reason why I think it would take TP a while to develop is because Ive read some pretty compelling stuff written about just how poorly Ohio St did in developing him. Stuff written by pretty credible people. That broke down the offense they ran and how his mechanics basically did not get coached up the entire time he was in college.
They basically painted TP as about as developed as any High School Senior QB. It’s basically been said that TP has all the tools and work ethic to be as good as the next guy, but his coaches simply wanted to use his physical gifts and never demanded he get better in the other areas.
So, that said, if he’s basically at the level of a 2nd year college qb now, I think that within 2-3 years he could be developed enough to be on par with where an Andrew Luck is now. And even then, QB’s need time to develop. Im a firm believer that even polished QB’s need 4-5 years before they can be judged in the NFL. Aaron Rogers is a perfect example of how to properly develop a QB.
We could do the same thing with Pryor these next 4-5 seasons as he sits behing Palmer. And then when he’s finally ready, he’ll be ready. Ready to start and ready to win games and if he can come in his first year as a started and command a 8-8 football team, that would be a great success and we’d know we have a QB for the future to build around.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Why are you trying to argue me over this?… we’ve known for years the Raiders have made very questionable draft picks… And now an apparent Al lackey is being fired… But you can’t see it for what it is… Your problem not mine
May 1st, 2012 at 9:49 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
DMAC, O , Hwnrdr… good afternoon my brothers !!
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Mike
What up man?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
the only difference between Pryor & Bergstrom is, Palmer has a firm grasp on his starting job.
Cooper Carlisle, cut then re-signed for less money and moved to LG for the first time in his career … does not
May 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
One of the most profitable corp is Google. Do you know how they treat their employees? Like family! Google it.
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Yeah and their employees don’t SUCK… Google it!
The simple fact is you cannot be an unproductive employee in this world or you won’t have a job.
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Unless, your fking your boss.
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LOL!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Its the truth.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
106.R8ER MIKE Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:48 am
DMAC, O , Hwnrdr… good afternoon my brothers !!
What’s up Mike?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Yeah and their employees don’t SUCK… Google it!
The simple fact is you cannot be an unproductive employee in this world or you won’t have a job.
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How do you know he was unproductive? Do you work for the org? You are assuming things, and forming opinions based on assumptions.
AL drafted the players.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Ive read some pretty compelling stuff written about just how poorly Ohio St did in developing him. Stuff written by pretty credible people. That broke down the offense they ran and how his mechanics basically did not get coached up the entire time he was in college.
They basically painted TP as about as developed as any High School Senior QB. It’s basically been said that TP has all the tools and work ethic to be as good as the next guy, but his coaches simply wanted to use his physical gifts and never demanded he get better in the other areas.
So, that said, if he’s basically at the level of a 2nd year college qb now
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@Riff
Link? Source?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Long Live ODB!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
How do you know he was unproductive? Do you work for the org? You are assuming things, and forming opinions based on assumptions.
AL drafted the players.
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Look at the draft history of the last 20 years…. ITS DOCUMENTED… Our draft department wasnt good.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
nice try in thinking that Raider O is going to put me on blast
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@Riff
Raider O is a Buckeye fan and a Pryor fan. he’s watched him play. I figured after reading your ridiculous comments, he would have something to say. I guess he took a chill pill. good for him
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
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@DMAC
thats a little short sighted imo
if Leinart beats out Pryor (first he has to beat out Sorgi in the tryout and prove he’s healthy) and Bomar for #2 QB, I’m going to assume it’s because he has 6 years NFL experience under his belt, the last 2 under current OC Greg Knapp. Pryor is just getting his feet wet. 1st OTA’s. 1st Camp. 1st Preseason. 1st Regular Season without a suspension or d-bag play caller. Also, he hasn’t played in a meaningful football game since January 2011. 14+ months
Pryor has some work to do and Dennis Allen said as much. No reason he can’t be #2 QB though. Leinart, Sorgi & Bomar all have more to prove than he does. Pryor will be ready when his number is called. I’ll roll with potential over proven sack of trash 100 times out of 100.
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Didn’t you just say Leinart was garbage?
If TP can’t beat him out, then there’s a serious problem then, right?
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How could Terrelle Pryor beat out Matt Leinart, when Leinart is already familiar with Greg Knapp’s offense, ran it last year and Pryor will be learning his second offense in two years with little experience?
Cmon, people.
May 1st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Raider O is a Buckeye fan and a Pryor fan. he’s watched him play. I figured after reading your ridiculous comments, he would have something to say. I guess he took a chill pill. good for him
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lol or a nice fat doobie !!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am
Raider Riff,
The OSU is not a QB school. We do better developing RBs, OL, and defense. I never heard those claims before, but I do know the kid needs work. I also know the kid is a winner, hard worker, has great talent, and you can’t teach/ coach that. Is he ready to start, no way, but I do think he can be a good backup based on his talent.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Terrelle Pryor is a project, we should not expect any contributiosn from him next year.
To make him # 2 at this point is not wise, he won’t be ready in case he has to come in and start 2 or 3 games, let alone half a season or more.
He needs to sit and learn next year, problem is, when is he gonna get the practice reps he needs to develop if he’s sitting behind Palmer and Leinart?.
Mike Lombardi was saying the other day that it’s all about the reps and that your 3rd QB will hardly get any, he was talking about Seattle where they have Flynn and Tarvaris who’ll be 1-2 so Draftee Russell Wilson would have a hard time getting any to work on his game.
That was the case last year with Campbell-Palmer starting and Boller the back-up, Pryor didn’t get a lot of practice and it could be the same next year if Leinart comes in.
So, do we sacrifice our back-up QB in 2012, and if disater happens, our season, in order to get TP much needed reps? or do we bring in Leinart and give TP another full year to study the new offense and learn how to be a Pro QB?.
I vote for the latter.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Hell… Even Al needed to be fired from the draft department
May 1st, 2012 at 10:03 am
I would also have a few plays for him (wildcat). We could have used him last season in short yardage situations.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:03 am
dont forget T.P. has been studying with Palmer since he was signed half way thru the season. and has spent most of the off season with him. the pre-season will answer a lot of those questions YOU PEOPLE have !!
(stole the YOU PEOPLE… thanks O !!)
May 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am
RR and Riff,
You guys were having a good debate, so I decided not to get involved. I enjoyed reading your posts.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am
I think Pryor will be fine. He needs time to develop, yes, but here’s hoping he can come out and do what Rogers did while sitting behind Favre all those years!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Mike aka ODB,
You People is from Florifa Pete. I just like to it use a lot.
You are right btw, I’m having a great session. LOL
May 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
stole the YOU PEOPLE… thanks O !!
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@Mike
Florida Pete coined that phrase, then disappeared faster than Steve Alford when his gf’s parents get home from work
May 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
How do you know he was unproductive? Do you work for the org? You are assuming things, and forming opinions based on assumptions.
AL drafted the players.
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Look at the draft history of the last 20 years…. ITS DOCUMENTED… Our draft department wasnt good.
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On the NFL Network, Michael Lombardi was talking about his reflections on the combine. He and then Oakland Raider head coach Norv Turner had looked at Darren Sproles and were in consensus that he was the best player they saw. in the 2005 draft, the Chargers ended up selecting him at 130 – and he would go on to be the best free agent acquisition for New Orleans in 2011 after putting together impressive seasons as a 3rd down back.
The Raiders selected two cornerbacks no longer with the team, a linebacker Kirk Morrison, no longer with the team and traded away that 4th round pick, ended up taking Andrew Walter (no longer in football). Suffice it to say, Sproles wasn’t Al Davis’ choice…but Sproles would go on to dynamic seasons.
The Draft Dept. was good, it just wasnt allowed to develop under Al Davis’ final say…these guys knew talent, Kingdon is just at the end of a career, as was another stalwart, John Herrerra. 33 years is a long time, and it was just time for a different perspective altogether. Its unknown whether Joey Clinkscales will leave the Jets for a Scouting Director position in Oakland, but it appears things are changing.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am
lol.. dont know where it started,just that i stole it from O !!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am
I’ll look one up for you Rockstar. There have been a few but one was an excellent article that broke it all down. Gimme a minute.
Then maybe you’ll see that Im on your side here. I dont hate the kid. I just like to develop QBs. I hate rushing guys.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
RaiderSam Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
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@DMAC
thats a little short sighted imo
if Leinart beats out Pryor (first he has to beat out Sorgi in the tryout and prove he’s healthy) and Bomar for #2 QB, I’m going to assume it’s because he has 6 years NFL experience under his belt, the last 2 under current OC Greg Knapp. Pryor is just getting his feet wet. 1st OTA’s. 1st Camp. 1st Preseason. 1st Regular Season without a suspension or d-bag play caller. Also, he hasn’t played in a meaningful football game since January 2011. 14+ months
Pryor has some work to do and Dennis Allen said as much. No reason he can’t be #2 QB though. Leinart, Sorgi & Bomar all have more to prove than he does. Pryor will be ready when his number is called. I’ll roll with potential over proven sack of trash 100 times out of 100.
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Didn’t you just say Leinart was garbage?
If TP can’t beat him out, then there’s a serious problem then, right?
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How could Terrelle Pryor beat out Matt Leinart, when Leinart is already familiar with Greg Knapp’s offense, ran it last year and Pryor will be learning his second offense in two years with little experience?
Cmon, people.
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So when was Greg Knapp the O coordinator in Houston?
I don’t recall.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
We’re changing the offense, I don’t think TP is at all familiar with Knapp’s WCO based schemes, even if he’s put up all the work since drafted, it’s back to square one when it comes to the playbook.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Question of the day:
If we used Pryor on EVERY point after – going for 2 instead on the 1, would we be successful more than 50% of the time? Would this be a NEW approach that makes sense (i.e. scoring more points per game)? What would do, go for 1 or 2 EVERY time?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am
you
May 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am
ODB,
Steal all you want, but don’t touch my trees.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Or my money!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
How do you know he was unproductive? Do you work for the org? You are assuming things, and forming opinions based on assumptions.
AL drafted the players.
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in fact that 2005 draft , Raiders passed on Justin Tuck, Kerry Rhodes, and Trent Cole…it was definitely time to shake up the scouting….in fact, probably the only reason Kingdon was there, was because the time frame was too short from January-to-April to seek a 2nd in command as McKenzie was just hiring Dennis Allen and filling out his staff.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Marley,
TP is not even ready for reps. He still needs a lot of film study and mechanics stuff. He can be developed just fine for where he is at right now, at the #3 spot. He and the #2 arent competing for the same position.
I firmly believe that all the Gut and DA want to see is progress from TP. If they see a guy that is much further along than he was when they last scouted him, they will be happy to continue developing him as a QB for the future.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
lol .. thats a deal O !!!
but tell you what.. come out east and we will burn down the whole damn forest !!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Free agent Vince Young will work out for the Bills on Wednesday.
We’ve been projecting Buffalo as a likely landing spot for V.Y. since the start of free agency. Coach Chan Gailey has an extensive history of maximizing the production of scrambling QBs with questionable passing skills. While Ryan Fitzpatrick is entrenched as the starter, Young would be the favorite to beat out Tyler Thigpen for the top backup job.
Related: Bills
Source: Buffalo News
May 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
TP’s time will come, McKenzie saw first-hand the value of patiently developing a young QB in GB where Hasselbeck, Rodgers and Flynn all sat for years, with Palmer here for the next 2-3 years, we can afford to wait for TP.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
RaiderSam Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
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@DMAC
thats a little short sighted imo
if Leinart beats out Pryor (first he has to beat out Sorgi in the tryout and prove he’s healthy) and Bomar for #2 QB, I’m going to assume it’s because he has 6 years NFL experience under his belt, the last 2 under current OC Greg Knapp. Pryor is just getting his feet wet. 1st OTA’s. 1st Camp. 1st Preseason. 1st Regular Season without a suspension or d-bag play caller. Also, he hasn’t played in a meaningful football game since January 2011. 14+ months
Pryor has some work to do and Dennis Allen said as much. No reason he can’t be #2 QB though. Leinart, Sorgi & Bomar all have more to prove than he does. Pryor will be ready when his number is called. I’ll roll with potential over proven sack of trash 100 times out of 100.
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Didn’t you just say Leinart was garbage?
If TP can’t beat him out, then there’s a serious problem then, right?
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How could Terrelle Pryor beat out Matt Leinart, when Leinart is already familiar with Greg Knapp’s offense, ran it last year and Pryor will be learning his second offense in two years with little experience?
Cmon, people.
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So when was Greg Knapp the O coordinator in Houston?
I don’t recall.
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When was Greg Knapp the O coordinator at Ohio St?
Do you really think Terrelle Pryor is beating out a guy already familiar with the snap count, depth drop, route recognition, read progression of an NFL offense?
wtf did it matter who was the OC, Leinart excelled in the scheme before he got knocked out. Last i recall, 15 touchdowns were more than 0 touchdowns. His rating is 71.6
what was Pryors career rating at Ohio St., much less in the NFL?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Mike,
Trust me brother, You are on the “smoke with” list. You, DMAC, and others. I can’t wait.
Smoking with ODB!!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Riff.
I think we are on the same page here.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Bob Marley Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
TP’s time will come, McKenzie saw first-hand the value of patiently developing a young QB in GB where Hasselbeck, Rodgers and Flynn all sat for years, with Palmer here for the next 2-3 years, we can afford to wait for TP.
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technically, that Green Bay running/ developing QB would’ve been Aaron Brooks, who ended up going to Oakland eventually (after starring at New Orleans)
May 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
RaiderSam Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
RaiderSam Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I’m a TP fan, but the reality is, if he can’t beat out Leinhart for the #2 position the kid shouldn’t be playing QB.
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@DMAC
thats a little short sighted imo
if Leinart beats out Pryor (first he has to beat out Sorgi in the tryout and prove he’s healthy) and Bomar for #2 QB, I’m going to assume it’s because he has 6 years NFL experience under his belt, the last 2 under current OC Greg Knapp. Pryor is just getting his feet wet. 1st OTA’s. 1st Camp. 1st Preseason. 1st Regular Season without a suspension or d-bag play caller. Also, he hasn’t played in a meaningful football game since January 2011. 14+ months
Pryor has some work to do and Dennis Allen said as much. No reason he can’t be #2 QB though. Leinart, Sorgi & Bomar all have more to prove than he does. Pryor will be ready when his number is called. I’ll roll with potential over proven sack of trash 100 times out of 100.
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Didn’t you just say Leinart was garbage?
If TP can’t beat him out, then there’s a serious problem then, right?
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How could Terrelle Pryor beat out Matt Leinart, when Leinart is already familiar with Greg Knapp’s offense, ran it last year and Pryor will be learning his second offense in two years with little experience?
Cmon, people.
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So when was Greg Knapp the O coordinator in Houston?
I don’t recall.
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When was Greg Knapp the O coordinator at Ohio St?
Do you really think Terrelle Pryor is beating out a guy already familiar with the snap count, depth drop, route recognition, read progression of an NFL offense?
wtf did it matter who was the OC, Leinart excelled in the scheme before he got knocked out. Last i recall, 15 touchdowns were more than 0 touchdowns. His rating is 71.6
what was Pryors career rating at Ohio St., much less in the NFL?
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You didn’t answer the question. But anyways, either you got it as a QB or you don’t. I want TP to succeed, but I’m tired of the excuses.
Nuff said.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
Rockstar,
Im having trouble finding the Grantland article on it but here is a good read that breaks down where Im coming from. Maybe not the most credible source but it is a well written and articulated piece.
I’ll keep looking for the better article Im refering too, but this one is pretty good regardless.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089725-why-african-american-qbs-are-systemically-trained-to-abandon-mechanics
May 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
Btw ODB, come to SD ALONE,I’ll send the wife and kid to Jordan, and we can try to OD on trees or food. lol
May 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Mike,
Trust me brother, You are on the “smoke with” list. You, DMAC, and others. I can’t wait.
Smoking with ODB!!!!
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Green Party stand the fk up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
I dont hate the kid. I just like to develop QBs. I hate rushing guys.
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@Riff
whether you’re the #2 QB or the #3 QB, you’re still sitting on the bench. There is no “rushing” involved, unless Palmer gets injured. Thats a hypothetical. I know that Pryor needs development. Why can’t he get that as #2 QB with more reps?
Nobody is talking about Pryor unseating Palmer.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
I have to go. Later gents.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
Btw ODB, come to SD ALONE,I’ll send the wife and kid to Jordan, and we can try to OD on trees or food. lol
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How about a field trip to Lego land?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
I agree Bob. We are on the same page. And I think Raider O knows where Im coming from so that’s why he’s not upset about my Ohio St comments. I got no beef with OSU. I just think Tressel was lazy with Pryor’s development.
Pryor can be as good as he wants to be and as good as a team is willing to develop. Which is pretty much the case for any talented QB coming out of college. QB’s are developed, not drafted.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:24 am
TP is not even ready for reps. He still needs a lot of film study and mechanics stuff. He can be developed just fine for where he is at right now, at the #3 spot. He and the #2 arent competing for the same position.
I firmly believe that all the Gut and DA want to see is progress from TP.
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Reggie said that Pryor is getting a shot to be #2 QB
not ready for reps?
that Bleacher Report article is racist propaganda, exactly where I thought you were coming from
May 1st, 2012 at 10:26 am
T. Pryor is about 53rd on the list of players that Dennis Allen and Reggie are even thinking about going into the 2012 season….so I am not sure why 20% of the conversation in this blog is about the guy….3rd string developmental QB.
Move on to someone more important….like the long snapper, or the guy who runs onto the field after the kickoff to retrieve the tee….or the guys who paint the field and rake the dirt….they will all have more of an impact on the 2012 Raiders season than T. Pryor!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:26 am
“QB’s are developed, not drafted.”
So true and yet a lot of people cant grasp that concept.
Look at how horrible Tebows throwing motion is and they did nothing to try and fix that at Florida State.
Look at how well Green Bay developed Aaron Rodgers. The list goes on.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
Raider O Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am
Raider Riff,
The OSU is not a QB school. We do better developing RBs, OL, and defense. I never heard those claims before, but I do know the kid needs work. I also know the kid is a winner, hard worker, has great talent, and you can’t teach/ coach that. Is he ready to start, no way, but I do think he can be a good backup based on his talent.
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Rockstar
This post by Raider O has about the same opinion as mine or Riff’s. All three of us like him, think he has special talents and from what I can tell has a great attitude and work ethic. However, Riff and I do not think he is ready yet – that’s all. I think he probably needs two preseasons to be the backup. And at that point he could back up or start (if he is as good as we all think he is). I think if Lienhart is picked up here he will make it through camp and be the #2 this year. Pryor will be on the roster and with a guy like Knapp he might design some wildcat plays for Pryor this year to get his feet wet during games when it counts. That is where I see this going. Next year we draft someone behind Pryor and have Pryor as the #2. That is a wild guess barring injury.
I heard all about this guy in Oregon coming out of high school because the Ducks wanted him as well. He was the #1 prospect coming out of HS.
Never-the-less I think CP if he stays healthy will be a top 7 QB next year. For next year CP is where the action is.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Rockstar,
I dont think he’s ready for the #2 spot yet because I dont think a player can make up as much ground as he needed in just one short NFL season.
He had a lot of mechanical and film study work to do. The mechanics take time to fix.
Like I said before, I dont care about labeling a #2 or #3. To me, at this point, its a situational thing. Leinart is the first option but if we cant get the running game going, nothing is lost by getting Pryor some playing time.
What I dont want to see is his growth further stunted by getting bad playing time in a case where he just isnt ready. Losing confidence in himself and more importantly, the confidence of the coaches. I dont want TP coming in their too early, making some dumb mistakes and getting boo’d off the field.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Rod Woodson tore into the Raiders defensive players and coaching staff according to Baldinger.
Then Baldinger went on and talked about Branch……hmmmm, is that a coincidence, or is Branch a guy that doesn’t like to be coached according to Woodson?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Leinart excelled in the scheme before he got knocked out. Last i recall, 15 touchdowns were more than 0 touchdowns. His rating is 71.6
what was Pryors career rating at Ohio St., much less in the NFL?
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Sam,
Charlie Frye has 17 TD’s. Kyle Boller has 48 TD’s.
using your logic both of these guys would be better options than Leinart and Jeff Garcia should unseat Carson Palmer as the starter.
How do you compare the stats of a 6-year NFL vet to a guy who hasn’t taken a QB snap in the NFL?
Might as well compare Bergstrom’s stats to Mike Briesel’s!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:33 am
Branch + DA and company = 2013 pro bowler
May 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am
Kyle Boller has 48 TD’s
How?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Who’s ready for that Thunder-Heat showdown?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
“In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it’s all said and done. What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It’s been stained.”
– Ravens coach John Harbaugh
OUCH! Wouldn’t you have three stained trophies than none like Harbaugh?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
@Riff
Pryor isn’t going to get the Andrew Walter treatment. he’s not a statue in the pocket. he doesn’t have the league’s worst o-line. he doesn’t have a bed & breakfast OC.
but like Walter, he’s a 3rd rounder with a ton of potential
should we have rolled with Tee Martin, Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer or Tui instead just for experience sake?
would we have won any more games??
this game is about winning and Leinart isn’t going to do that for you. Pryor might – you can’t really say at this juncture. I’ll take TP. what if he’s a surprise? you don’t let talented players rot away on the bench
May 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
***Wouldn’t you rather have***
May 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
I think it would be “prudent” to sign a Vet backup QB, regardless.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
166.Dakota Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
“In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it’s all said and done. What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It’s been stained.”
– Ravens coach John Harbaugh
OUCH! Wouldn’t you have three stained trophies than none like Harbaugh?
What is Harbaugh talking about?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
170.hwnrdr Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
166.Dakota Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
“In the end, everything is brought before the light of day, when it’s all said and done. What happens, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on whether they won their championships or not, they got asterisks now. It’s been stained.”
– Ravens coach John Harbaugh
OUCH! Wouldn’t you have three stained trophies than none like Harbaugh?
What is Harbaugh talking about?
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Cheating
May 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Kyle Boller has 48 TD’s
How?
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LOL @ Hwnrdr
exactly my point. Still waiting for a good reason why Houston doesn’t want Leinart back. just sign some undrafted kid to be the 3rd QB on their depth chart and last I checked Schaub finished the year on I.R.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Whether you like TP or not is not the issue. The issue is reality. Leinart will instantly become #2 because he already earned the #2 spot under Knapp in Houston. He’ll be way ahead of the curve vs TP in grasping the system and being instantly ready to execute the plays being called. RRS, I like you really like TP but he aint getting reg season touches as a QB anytime soon. Reality my friend.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:44 am
Later gents.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
What is Harbaugh talking about?
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Cheating
Oh…i thought this was in reference to something happening at last years AFC Championship game…
May 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
I think it would be “prudent” to sign a Vet backup QB, regardless.
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I’m fine with that, Kell.
I fully expect that to happen. Just think it’s stupid these guys don’t think Pryor should even get a shot at the #2 QB job or any reps. Leinart is the 2nd coming of Rich Gannon and Pryor may not be ready for a BACKUP job until 2014 = silly.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Personally witness UDFA punter Marquette King the last couple of years. His college and mine are in the same conference. This young man is the real deal. Booming kicks with exceptional hang time.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Leinart will instantly become #2 because he already earned the #2 spot under Knapp in Houston. He’ll be way ahead of the curve vs TP in grasping the system and being instantly ready to execute the plays being called.
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AIG,
maybe so, but it’s a competition and Leinart hasn’t even signed yet
disagree that Pryor is Reggie’s version of Bruce Campbell!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
TP will get his opportunity to become #2 in Camp/preseason.
Can’t wait to see this totally new Raider Product.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Reggie will not employ the highest paid Punter in the league. That I can promise you. Love Lechler but he will be gone at the first chance Reggie can deal with his salary cap hit.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am
Until TP actually gets out onto the field in game action, and we see his foot movement, his ability to read defenses, do checkdowns, and hit receivers on the fly (not to mention feeling and handling the pressure) everything is just hearsay and conjecture. It seems like we have a lot of talented evaluators out there who think they have the skinny on TP, but don’t know jack-poop!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am
If Pryor does get on the field in 2012….it means we are in serious trouble.
Pryor is not going to even get a lot of reps in practice, so he will just have to continue putting in extra work with the other young guys and keep paying attention in meetings.
My hope is that he cna get one or two oppportunities in games in 2013, show some potential, and then we can trade him for a high draft pick or two.
By then the coaching staff will know what they have, and they can decide if he is worth keeping as the franchise QB, or if he should be traded to get us some picks.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
I dont think Pryor is Bruce Campbell at all. Pryor produced in college and that is why I am a big fan of his. But we have a new system and if we sign Leinart I am pretty sure Knapp will make Leinart his number 2. TP is starting over in a new system and Leinart would not be. That’s just the reality. Now if and when we sign Leinart is another issue.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:51 am
you really like TP but he aint getting reg season touches as a QB anytime soon.
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Nobody here knows anything about the situation. It’s all speculation. Pryor may doing an excellent job in OTA’s , camp & preseason. then he’s going to ride the pine just because he lacks experience? how the heck do you GAIN experience then ??
May 1st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Until TP actually gets out onto the field in game action, and we see his foot movement, his ability to read defenses, do checkdowns, and hit receivers on the fly (not to mention feeling and handling the pressure) everything is just hearsay and conjecture. It seems like we have a lot of talented evaluators out there who think they have the skinny on TP, but don’t know jack-poop!
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thank you, Tbone!!
May 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
I think it would be “prudent” to sign a Vet backup QB, regardless.
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I’m fine with that, Kell.
I fully expect that to happen. Just think it’s stupid these guys don’t think Pryor should even get a shot at the #2 QB job or any reps. Leinart is the 2nd coming of Rich Gannon and Pryor may not be ready for a BACKUP job until 2014 = silly.
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I did not say he should not get a shot at #2. If he excels in Preseason then he should be #2 option. I just do not think he will with his first experience at Profootball. I also said he would be ready after 2 pre-seasons which = 2013. Please note I also said once TP is ready to be a Backup he is ready to start as well because he is not limited by natural skill like arm strength or natural playing ability like ML is.
I think he should not only get pre-season reps but also in season reps with wildcat style plays. Please try to at least understand what I am saying before stating my position which is a little more accelerated than Riffs.
Honestly at looking how emotional you get with TP I am glad we a cool GM that is looking long-term as well as short term and does not get emotional about players like AD did.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am
TP will get snaps in preseason games. That will be his shot.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am
Enough about TP
Besides QB, what is the toughest position to evaluate and draft? Why?
May 1st, 2012 at 10:57 am
DMAC,
I am anxious to hear how our new CBs and the rookies perform in camp.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:58 am
looking how emotional you get with TP
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AW,
emotional??
stupid comments often get called out on this blog. ask around.
I lumped you in with Riff because you were basically agreeing with eachother on every comment and trying to include Raider O as a 3 against 1 type of debate.
I don’t care if i’m the only Pryor supporter on this blog. It’s not about being popular – it’s about being right.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
DMAC and Dakota
I am done with talking about TP. Where do you guys think CP will end up now that we know what the OL and WRs and TEs will look like? I am thinking 25+ TDs 15- Interceptions and the highest QB rating he has had since 2006. I think he will be a top 7 QB statistically next year.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
I fully expect the dumb, drive killing penalties to be drastically reduced this year.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
I fully expect the dumb, drive killing penalties to be drastically reduced this year.
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Hue Jackson got dumped. that goes w/o saying!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
@ Kell
did you read this article posted by Riff?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089725-why-african-american-qbs-are-systemically-trained-to-abandon-mechanics
May 1st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Rockstar
I was on this blog well before you were… Just don’t post all the time. You ask around.
AW
May 1st, 2012 at 11:03 am
192.KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
I fully expect the dumb, drive killing penalties to be drastically reduced this year.
That I will agree with!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
Rockstar,
Yes, I would have rather seen a vet QB take that beating rather than Andrew Walter.
But that is such a unique situation. Nobody would have succeeded then. That was just a mess, for all the reasons you stated.
Throwing a raw player out their just for the sake of doing it usually doesnt bode well. Rare examples of guys like Elway or Marino or Manning are just that, rare examples. And Matty Ice and Flacco walked on to teams that were extremely talented and they were still brought along slowly and have huge drop offs their second year in the case of Atlanta, proving, these guys still need time to develop. I prefer the Arron Rogers approach. It’s safe and a proven way to develop guys. It’s patient and right now with Palmer, we have that luxury.
But Walter is a perfect example of a guy who got shell shocked. But by no means was he not a good QB out of college. I think with 2-3 years of legitimate NFL development he would have been great. The difference is that TP still needs college level development.
TP has a higher potential but I just dont think at this moment in time he is as developed as Walter was when Walter came out as a rookie. In another 2 years of hard work, I think TP will be better than Walter was. And another 2 years after that and we will have ourselves a home brewed started ready to take the reigns for the next 10 years.
I never said that Leinart is the second coming of Gannon. But nobody thought Gannon would become “Gannon” either. NOBODY saw that coming, I dont expect Leinart to be anything close. All I think is that he can come in and be a serviceable backup and that would be good. He can hand the ball off, has a good playaction move, and he can keep us at .500 if the running game is solid. Saying that doesnt mean I think he’s the next Gannon. Again, you are taking words out of context.
Seriously, we are arguing about our backup QB here. This is getting a lil out of hand. haha
May 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
191.1960AutumnWind Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
DMAC and Dakota
I am done with talking about TP. Where do you guys think CP will end up now that we know what the OL and WRs and TEs will look like? I am thinking 25+ TDs 15- Interceptions and the highest QB rating he has had since 2006. I think he will be a top 7 QB statistically next year.
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I think he could close in on 30 TDs if McFadden stays healthy and the coaching staff utilizes the RBs more in the passing game. I think McFadden and Goodson or whatever his name is, can get him some easy TDs.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
DMAC and Dakota
I am done with talking about TP. Where do you guys think CP will end up now that we know what the OL and WRs and TEs will look like? I am thinking 25+ TDs 15- Interceptions and the highest QB rating he has had since 2006. I think he will be a top 7 QB statistically next year.
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CP has an upgraded O-line, and DMAC in the backfield w/ him for the 1st time.
I say 28 TD’s and 14 Int’s.
Def. in the top 10 QB conversation.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:05 am
first the experience factor with Leinart & Pryor … now with you and me, AW?
LOL!!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
Post 186 says it all for me. Excellent AW. When he’s ready to backup, he’s ready to start.
He isnt ready to start now, therefore he isnt ready to backup.
Rockstar, what did you think of that article?
May 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
KK
Totally agree with that and I think the defensive drive extending penalties will subside. After all Routt alone had more penalties than whole other teams defenses in some cases.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
In all fairness, Walter did break Elways Pac-10 records. It was a bad situation he was in with the famous bed and breakfast offense we were running at the time. I know he went to NE and got cut there also, but who knows what would have happend had it not been for that disasturous 2006 season that got us JaMarcus!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
aig-raiders Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:57 am
DMAC,
I am anxious to hear how our new CBs and the rookies perform in camp.
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I think Bartell might be one of Reggie’s best FA acquisitions. I would love to see Chekwa snatch that #2 spot away from Spencer.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
@ Kell
did you read this article posted by Riff?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089725-why-african-american-qbs-are-systemically-trained-to-abandon-mechanics
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I’ve been saying that forever on here. That article is dead on. HS and college coaches want to win and will do whatever it takes to win. Even if that means not grooming the QB correctly for his future.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
@ Kell
did you read this article posted by Riff?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089725-why-african-american-qbs-are-systemically-trained-to-abandon-mechanics
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Where’s Mystic, when you need him.
lol
May 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am
Rockstar
You insinuated that I do not know that people get challenged on this blog when they make “stupid comments.” Ask KK about that. We have gone around many times but I respect his opinion.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:11 am
As far as CP goes…I think he will cut his ints down and this team will be way more disciplined than what we have been used to for so long!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
With a decent offensive line AND a healthy DMac, there are a lot more viable options at QB.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
So is this kid form Utah (Berg) going to compete w/ Coup at LG or Barnes at RT?
May 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Regarding that article – If a QB can run and is an athlete coaches will run option or variants to it and not really train QBs to throw. It is not a white black thing it is an athlete vs. thrower only thing. Look at what FL did to Tebow. He did not learn crap! People that truely want to learn to be a QB should got to places like the other OSU (Oregon State) and learn from a true QB groomer like Mike Riley instead of being wooed by schools like Oregon, Ohio State etc…
May 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am
DMAC
RM said guard and I assume LG.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
I agree AW. It’s not a black or white thing. I personally didnt take that from the article.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
We def. got Beef on the O-line.
Wiz is going to be a pro bowler at C. Straight beast!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Look at what FL did to Tebow. He did not learn crap!
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AW,
yet Tebow managed to win the AFC West last year and aced our Raiders. good example
May 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am
I’m cool w/ CP. He’s going to throw his fair amount of picks, because of the risk he takes. It’s the bone headed, freebie Int’s that need to stop. With a healthy DMAC (fingers crossed) and an upgraded O-line, he should put up nice #’S.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am
I think Bergstrom is more of a guard, which would actually make him a replacment for Gallery (sort of). Look, Reggie’s having to totally put this thing together from the ground up. Go back to 2005 – Raiders had 4 picks in the top 78 – and not a single one of them is still on the team! Go back and look over the list and you’ll see just how crappy the scouting has been over the past decade.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:20 am
To preface my previous remark, I like the 2010, 2011, and (hopefully) the 2012 drafts.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:23 am
Look T. Pryor could end up being a great steal to use his athletic ability in the movement/roll-out offense … But I have faith in Al Saunders showing Knapp how to use Carson and the loads of talent in our offense to have a great year.
Last I heard Pryor in camp fumbled like 3 of his first 10 snaps and was awfuol throwing the ball, then Hue decided not to even put him out to play in pre-season game, that says a lot. He has A LONG WAY TO GO.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am
Tebow won the AFC west or was it the gritty defense that held on in several key games when they were going 3 and out over and over again? Yes Tebow did late game heroics in some games but only the Defense kept them close enough to do the heroics. Did they not back into the playoffs losing 7-3 to the Chiefs?
The game against the Raiders was one of the worst defensive showings I have ever seen the Raiders make. Jumping out of position blown coverage. I literally hated that game.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
#219:
Hue has proven to not necessarily be the best evaluator of talent!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
funny you guys compare Pryor to Tebow quite often.
Tebow won some games, which is more than we can say about a guy like Leinart.
Also, Tebow was traded and there were a bunch of teams interested.
Anybody want Leinart this offseason? how about last? or the one before that? 1 team x 3 years
no draft picks involved. vet minimum contract
May 1st, 2012 at 11:29 am
@1960 Autumn Wind ….
The defense was pathetic most every game except the 1st denver game and both cheif games.
The defense wasn’t coached, not a unit, just individuals out there trying to make plays.
Allen’s one strength has been known to be bringing the Defense together to swarm the ball and execute schemes.
For years the raider relied on atheletes to make plays.
Scheme wins.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:29 am
HELL,JAMARCUSS RUSSELL WON SOME GAMES.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:30 am
I suppose Tebow won the game against the Jets because his amazing running ability and pounding style overwhelmed their defense. I’m sure it had NOTHING to do with the fact that the Jets D had already started undressing on the field and forgot about the last minute-and-a-half of the game. Kinda reminded me of our 2009 season opener against San Diego.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:33 am
#224
So did Curtis Painter. So did Eric Hipple. So did John Beck. Hell, so did that squirmy little KC quarterback out of Coastal Carolina. What’s your point?
May 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
yet Tebow managed to win the AFC West last year and aced our Raiders. good example
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RRS, you do realize that Tebow would have stayed and started again in Den had he developed the required fundamentals of the QB position.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:35 am
Why not bring in Vince Young while we’re looking at backup QB’s? Much better than Matt L.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:36 am
VY is visitng the Bills 2morrow
May 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am
POST-224 WAS IN RESPONSE TO POST-222.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am
JAMARCUSS RUSSELL WON SOME GAMES
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9 games in 3 years = not enough
still more than Leinart, though
yikes!!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Wooh
I did not compare Pryor to Tebow. I do not think Teblows will ever become a legitimate NFL QB. I think Pryor has a chance to become one. I actually saw Pryor in college make some throws. Teblows just chucks it. Teblows had two trading options 1. NY Jets to work on ST and run some wildcat 2. Jacksonville to sell some tickets. Honestly I would take Lienart in a hot second over Teblows.
In that article I was thinking of Teblows as QB that was used primarily as a runner and never really improved as a passer in college – thats all (no comparison to Pryor).
May 1st, 2012 at 11:40 am
Tebow would have stayed and started again in Den had he developed the required fundamentals of the QB position
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AIG,
I think that had something to do with Peyton Manning becoming available
May 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Interesting article. Sounds true to me.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:42 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:29 am
@1960 Autumn Wind ….
The defense was pathetic most every game except the 1st denver game and both cheif games.
The defense wasn’t coached, not a unit, just individuals out there trying to make plays.
Allen’s one strength has been known to be bringing the Defense together to swarm the ball and execute schemes.
For years the raider relied on atheletes to make plays.
Scheme wins.
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No disagreement from me on that. That is why I am hopeful for next year. Our Defense just went extreme (on the bad side) during the Denver game. Even NE could stop Teblows and they had lousy personal last year. All you need is gap discipline.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
Anyone watch Pryor throw the ball? He “chucks it” with his palm under the ball and his release goes does, the ball wobbles and often he grounds intermediate routes.
He has a long way to go.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:46 am
Tebow is a tough RBI, I’ll give him that. He punished several Raiders in that game.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:46 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
Anyone watch Pryor throw the ball? He “chucks it” with his palm under the ball and his release goes does, the ball wobbles and often he grounds intermediate routes.
He has a long way to go.
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He does not do that all the time. I am not sure what play you are talking about but I have seen him pass and when he plants and throws it is not bad at all.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am
Tough RB. My point exactly.
LOL KK!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:48 am
233.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:40 am
Tebow would have stayed and started again in Den had he developed the required fundamentals of the QB position
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AIG,
I think that had something to do with Peyton Manning becoming available
Yes, but why did Elway go after Manning? It was known that he did not care if tebow won games, he was gone after last year regardless…
May 1st, 2012 at 11:49 am
teblow = dumbluck
all denvers wins last year are attributed to good defense, injuries to opposing teams star players, and setting up teams with their play calling, was definetly not from stellar qb play
tebow sucks stop mentioning him
May 1st, 2012 at 11:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBognMAW9Es
-Watch this, nothing he did passing the ball is impressive at all, the ball flight is terrible, wobbly and he just “chucks” the ball with no spiral, touch or clean motion.
Without his legs, he would do nothing in the pocket.
Not a true passer, locks on to one reciever in every play.
You Terelle Pryor fans are watching a Tavaris Jackson type player at this moment if he had to start, long way to go.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Anyone else know what Steve is hinting at ?
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I was thinkin about this last night after I read his tweet. The one thing I have noticed Cork not being happy about is our cornerback situation, he has posted several tweets about it being a concern signing two guys that didn’t play last year to be the starters.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
funny you guys compare Pryor to Tebow quite often.
Tebow won some games, which is more than we can say about a guy like Leinart.
Also, Tebow was traded and there were a bunch of teams interested.
Anybody want Leinart this offseason? how about last? or the one before that? 1 team x 3 years
no draft picks involved. vet minimum contract
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Tebow was acquired solely to sell tickets to dumb religious types. It has nothing to do with his non-existent QB abilities.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Priority is to put pressure on the QB and get the LB’s in shape to stop the F-ing run game. Curry, McClain and Goethal and the whole LB crew need to be coached up greatly. and McClain’s foot injury needs to heal, he has a lot to prove his 3rd year. else he will be dumped.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
aig-raiders Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Whether you like TP or not is not the issue. The issue is reality. Leinart will instantly become #2 because he already earned the #2 spot under Knapp in Houston. He’ll be way ahead of the curve vs TP in grasping the system and being instantly ready to execute the plays being called. RRS, I like you really like TP but he aint getting reg season touches as a QB anytime soon. Reality my friend.
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with tis kind of reasoning.. Leinart should be our STARTER.. Palmer has never played for Knapp either !!
May 1st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
*this
May 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
-Watch this, nothing he did passing the ball is impressive at all, the ball flight is terrible, wobbly and he just “chucks” the ball with no spiral, touch or clean motion.
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His balls are wobbly when he tries to finesse it on the short passes. The kid has a cannon and he has issues when he tries to take off heat on the fastball. He’ll do fine physically. I worry whether he is smart enough to be a legit NFL QB.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Pryor is mos def not smart enough lol
May 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
with tis kind of reasoning.. Leinart should be our STARTER.. Palmer has never played for Knapp either !!
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C’mon man. Let’s not compare Palmer to Leinart. You’re exaggerating my point now. You may not like Leinart but I GUARANTEE you he gets the #2 spot by the beginning of the season if we sign him.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Pryor is mos def not smart enough lol
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I actually follow him on twitter and his tweets are not reflective of a sharp young man. We may disagree but that’s what I see.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I agree I follow him too.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Tebow was acquired solely to sell tickets to dumb religious types. It has nothing to do with his non-existent QB abilities
teblow = dumbluck. tebow sucks stop mentioning him
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@Duck & 505
you sound like bitter ex-gf’s
Tebow Time is a NY Jet. pour the Hateraid down the drain
hating on a football player due to his preference of religion is pretty strange.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Was that really Kool calling out Cork on the live chat?
If so, all of my props Kell. You hit it on the nail-head.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
aig-raiders Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
with tis kind of reasoning.. Leinart should be our STARTER.. Palmer has never played for Knapp either !!
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C’mon man. Let’s not compare Palmer to Leinart. You’re exaggerating my point now. You may not like Leinart but I GUARANTEE you he gets the #2 spot by the beginning of the season if we sign him.
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yes i am exaggerating your point. What i am saying is let training camp sort out whos #2 and whos # 3.
juat because Leinart held a clipboard for Knapp doesnt make him the #2 automaticaly. May the best man win .
May 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
what did kell do?
May 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Bob Marley Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am
So, do we sacrifice our back-up QB in 2012, and if disater happens, our season, in order to get TP much needed reps? or do we bring in Leinart and give TP another full year to study the new offense and learn how to be a Pro QB?.
I vote for the latter.
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I vote for the former. Here’s why…
If CP goes down, Matt Leinart is NOT going to save the Raider season.
That’s a notion that needs to be dispelled in no uncertain terms.
Matt Leinart is a stiff. His lack of arm strength is so severe that he can not play effectively in the NFL. He can not make the requisite throws. End of story.
It is senseless to waste time on Leinart.
If CP goes down you throw TP into the fire. Chances are he ISN’T ready. But I don’t buy into the argument that his career might be derailed if he doesn’t succeed immediately. Give him a shot. Let the coaches and staff make a determination whether he has a future at QB.
If CP goes down, Leinart is NOT going to be a savior.
Only way to know what TP can do and to project what he might be able to do in the future is to play him if the circumstances warrant it.
And if CP goes down, that’s the case. There is no upside or logic into wasting time on Matty Lice.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm
sure R8
May 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
215.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Look at what FL did to Tebow. He did not learn crap!
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AW,
yet Tebow managed to win the AFC West last year and aced our Raiders. good example
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Man Rockstar, one would think that you would look at the 2011 Denver Broncos and give some credit to their defense and OUR NEW HC for their ability to hold opposing offenses down to give Teblow and his horrible passing game a chance to win games. They couldn’t do it every game for Teblow, but they did it enough to make Teblow look “good” at least in your mind, Rex Ryan’s foot fetished mind and Skip Bayless’ mind!
May 1st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
not argueeing with you Aig. i like the idea of bringing in Leinart. like you said he knows Knapps system and he can help get Palmer and Pryor get up to speed. but to say he walks in as a #2 just isnt right.
let them compete .
May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Prypr couldn’t get a snap in the chiefs game with both QB’s throwing 3 picks each. ummmmmmmmmm yeah, pryor is not an NFL QB.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
R8,
I’m on the same page with you in terms of competing. I just have a hard time believing TP will beat out Leinart that’s all.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
203.hwnrdr Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
In all fairness, Walter did break Elways Pac-10 records. It was a bad situation he was in with the famous bed and breakfast offense we were running at the time. I know he went to NE and got cut there also, but who knows what would have happend had it not been for that disasturous 2006 season that got us JaMarcus!
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Yep, you never know what is going to help or hurt a player. Walter, had he not suffered through the Art Shell era, and had been drafted by a team the had a clue, well, he might be a starting QB in the NFL right now. Same could be said of Robert Gallery, Rolando McClain, and other picks that have not lived up….including, gulp, Jamarcus Russell.
Maybe had a team drafted Russell at 25th in the first round, and had he not held out, and had the team he went to not thrown away entire seasons to acquire “dirt” on their HC to fire him for cause and keep some money, and had he not gone through another pizz poor HC in Cable, a guy who was never even close to being qualified to coach an NFL team….and maybe the team that drafted him had a person in place who helped with players’ personal development (like what Reggie has now done for the Raiders with the LaMonte Winston hire, and which other teams have done for years) instead of just sending a guy to watch over him in the offseason….well, who knows….the kid obviously had talent, maybe the right environment, coaching, stability, and less upfront money would have inspired him to greatness?
Sometimes nurture is as important as nature.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
The truth is AD picked Pryor for his freakish athletic ability. We will see if Pryor can develop into a top caliber QB int this league.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RRS are you a tebow fan
cuz if you are your in the wrong place to be praising that clowns on his qb skills
for the record i dont care what his religion is
May 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm
260.R8ER MIKE Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
not argueeing with you Aig. i like the idea of bringing in Leinart. like you said he knows Knapps system and he can help get Palmer and Pryor get up to speed. but to say he walks in as a #2 just isnt right.
let them compete .
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Reggie said no position is safe, and there will be competition in all aspect of the team. Pryor, if he comes out and blows everyone away, will be given a fair shot, even to take out Palmer….just not very realistic.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:49 pm
aig-raiders Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
The truth is AD picked Pryor for his freakish athletic ability. We will see if Pryor can develop into a top caliber QB int this league.
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yes. this is something we can agree on.
only time will tell.
May 1st, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I think we all hope Pryor can be a starter for us eventually or a solid back-up because if not, that was a terrible waste of a 3rd round pick when we really could of used that as an organization.
He is an athlete, huge frame, big strides, and maybe he will have a “package” in short-yardage, besides that I don’t think new coach Allen, Reggie at GM and Knapp at Off. Coordinator (gulp!) will take a risk or priority in developing him to make much field time this year, maybe the next, that why they will take a game manager veteran to be a back-up for this year.
With McFadden and the WR core healthy Jason Campbell was off to a career start. With a better 0-line coming in this year and if Moore, Ford, DHB, Ausberry all healthy Palmer can torch the play-action game and take this team far.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:03 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Prypr couldn’t get a snap in the chiefs game with both QB’s throwing 3 picks each. ummmmmmmmmm yeah, pryor is not an NFL QB.
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Illogical….
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
What’s up Thec?
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Steve called Kell a clown in the live chat and told him to kick rocks?
LOL!!
priceless
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
If CP goes down you throw TP into the fire. Chances are he ISN’T ready. But I don’t buy into the argument that his career might be derailed if he doesn’t succeed immediately. Give him a shot. Let the coaches and staff make a determination whether he has a future at QB.
If CP goes down, Leinart is NOT going to be a savior.
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Logical
May 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I would take tp over any pick in the 2012 3rd round..
May 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
hwnrdr Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
What’s up Thec?
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What up Bro? Same story diff day
May 1st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Steve Corkran isn’t a fan of Hue Jackson or Rolando McClain
SC = blog pimp, suckas!!
May 1st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
272. Thats not logical.. Tp is not the only guy on the team. The players coaches and fans deserve a legit #2 to put against tp. If we loose the div by 1 game because we didnt bother with a real backup again im going minivan bowling…
May 1st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
SC = jokers wild
May 1st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RR, Riff, Bob, and 1960AW
I’m a TP/ Buckeyes supporter. I don’t think the kid is ready to start, but I do think he is ready to be a backup Baden on talent alone.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
272. Thats not logical.. Tp is not the only guy on the team. The players coaches and fans deserve a legit #2 to put against tp. If we loose the div by 1 game because we didnt bother with a real backup again im going minivan bowling…
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Opinions and azzholes Bruh…
Lionate = garbage
May 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The players coaches and fans deserve a legit #2
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The coaches will def decide, and not this blog….
May 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Logic is not an opinion.. We need a backup. Not lienert. A real one.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
im going minivan bowling…
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LMFAO !!!
May 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Logic is not an opinion.. We need a backup. Not lienert. A real one.
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I says its logical, you say not…In the end who is right???
May 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Thec Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:03 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Prypr couldn’t get a snap in the chiefs game with both QB’s throwing 3 picks each. ummmmmmmmmm yeah, pryor is not an NFL QB.
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Illogical….
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Ummmmmm Hue went to his retired QB just aquired who knew a whopping total of 6 pass plays from the playbook, not Pryor. Says a lot about Pryor. That game was out of reach , perfect time to see what Pryor had, apparently NOTHING.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
The coaches need to decide on somebody better than liono & more proven than tp..
May 1st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
“Steve Corkran: Very curious move. Long-time scout, great track record. If Al Davis believed enough Kingdon for 33 years, the least Mark Davis can do is offer fans a reason for why Kingdon suddenly isn’t good enough.”
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What? 50% of the fans have never even heard of the guy, and besides that, didn’t Mark give Reggie control? It was Reggie’s call, and frankly, watching this team draft for about the last 23 years or so, I think letting kingdon go isn’t going to be an issue lol.
Cork makes it sound like we just lost some superstar. What we really lost was an old dog who couldn’t learn new tricks, and who had served obediently for 33 years, but not very successfully if you look at our draft track record.
Most likely Cork just lost a decent source and that is why he is pizzy about this firing.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
I would take tp over any pick in the 2012 3rd round..
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@Mark
I don’t know about that, but I’d certainly take him over the other QB’s:
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Lindley
B. J. Coleman
Chandler Harnish
May 1st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I am with the org, lets bring in a “vet guy” while TP gets ready…
If the org believes TP can answer the bell keep him, if not cut bait…
May 1st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I would take tp over any pick in the 2012 3rd round..
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I’d take Jamell Fleming, Tyrone Crawford, Mike Martin, Jake Bequette, and the flexibility to possibly trade up or down if necessary.
Needless to say, I’m not sold on Pryor. Didn’t see him steadily improve as a player at Ohio State. Made too many “WTF?!” throws. Seemed to lack the ability to go through his reads efficiently, look off the safety.
Not saying he can’t develop those skills. And in spite of the “character concerns”, he seems like a good, hard-working kid. But it’ll take time, and it’s a longshot. Would rather the Raiders focus on other areas of the team, and worry about their “QB of the future” when they’re in position to get any kid they want.
But like I said yesterday, Pryor is in a good spot. He has a seasoned veteran in front of him to learn from, and he’ll have time to develop that most rookie QBs don’t get. Hope he becomes “the guy”. Just not sure he will, and I didn’t see much of anything in his college career that would give the kind of absolute confidence in him that some folks around here seem to have.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am
for sports fans who wants to know what amount of money the franchises around the world use per week in salaries for their players…
first NFL team is #75, steelers. we are at #80..
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7850531/espn-magazine-sportingintelligence-global-salary-survey-espn-magazine
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Dudes in the Aussie Football League need to find new jobs. Based on what they do they are woefully underpaid!
May 1st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Just saying Pryor didn’t even play in the last pre-season game in the 4th quarter …. Does the kid even throw in practice? what does he do? Eat up a roster spot. We will see him this pre-season. We will see if Pryor can complete passes from the pocket.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
284.raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Thec Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:03 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Prypr couldn’t get a snap in the chiefs game with both QB’s throwing 3 picks each. ummmmmmmmmm yeah, pryor is not an NFL QB.
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Illogical….
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Ummmmmm Hue went to his retired QB just aquired who knew a whopping total of 6 pass plays from the playbook, not Pryor. Says a lot about Pryor. That game was out of reach , perfect time to see what Pryor had, apparently NOTHING.
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Actually says a lot about Hue Jackson’s desperation…and that unjustly hurt Palmer’s standing with some of the Nation and the national media.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I didn’t mind Kingdon. Hard to truly evaluate him with Al running the show for years. But the bottom line is that an effective GM has to be on the same page with all of his scouts. Evidently he didn’t feel that Kingdon shared his philosophies on players. Kingdon may very well be a great, seasoned scout. But that’s not the end-all be-all when you’re building a team. Have to have a consistent philosophy throughout the organization.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
271.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Steve called Kell a clown in the live chat and told him to kick rocks?
LOL!!
priceless
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I seriously haven’t laughed that hard in a long time.
What did he say? “Steve, you’re a piece of crap. You are not fit to run this blog. I am a succesful realtor. I am important.”
I can’t believe it was really Kool Kell though.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
283. Lol me..
Its a team sport. We cant just give tp anything. And liono is a lame waste of time cause knapp doesnt want 3 guys he doesnt know.. Theres at least 4 better backups to compete with tp.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Ummmmmm Hue went to his retired QB just aquired who knew a whopping total of 6 pass plays from the playbook, not Pryor. Says a lot about Pryor. That game was out of reach , perfect time to see what Pryor had, apparently NOTHING.
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That game was about getting reps for CP.
Had nothing to do with TP being a QB or not.
A. Saunders is still on staff,wonder what he thinks of TP.He clearly knows a lot more about him than any blogger…
If TP was not QB material, he would have been outta here.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Based* on….
May 1st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I would take tp over any pick in the 2012 3rd round..
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WoW. LoL 3rd rounders can be instant starters. Pryor hasn’t even seen the field and is a project QB at this moment who is having veteran back-ups tried out to be ahead of him. Clearly his best chance under center is 2013 AT THE VERY LEAST assuming the staff likes him and he develops.
I would of taken Vontaze Burflict over Terrelle Pryor anyday.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Kirk Cousins over TP in the 3rd
May 1st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I’d compare Pryor to Ryan Lindley. Both of whom I’d pick over Wilson, Foles, or Osweiler.
B.J. Coleman, Chandler Harnish, and Kirk Cousins are all interesting developmental prospects, though. In the right situation those guys may be able to contribute, if not flourish. Their value depends entirely on the organization.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
298 really?
May 1st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I would of taken Vontaze Burflict over Terrelle Pryor anyday.
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hahahahahahaha….WOW
May 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Ummmmmm Hue went to his retired QB just aquired who knew a whopping total of 6 pass plays from the playbook, not Pryor. Says a lot about Pryor. That game was out of reach , perfect time to see what Pryor had, apparently NOTHING.
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@ paradise
you are confused, apparently.
how long was Pryor off suspension before that KC game?
We traded for Palmer because Jason Campbell suffered a season ending injury and Hue Jackson wasn’t sold on Kyle Boller to finish the season. Just because Pryor wasn’t ready then, doesn’t mean he wont be ready by WK1 on the regular season in 2012
This time, Allen & Knapp will make that determination – not Jackson & Saunders!!
If Al Davis stays alive or Campbell doesn’t get hurt, Carson Palmer isn’t a Raider. Had nothing to do with Pryor any way you slice it. Also, Palmer played against KC because he was a seasoned vet. Pryor (especially at that point) was a developmental player. Going into that 2nd half, the game was still within reach. If Kyle Boller doesn’t throw 3 INT’s in the first half, Palmer doesn’t see action in that game.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
283. Lol me..
Its a team sport. We cant just give tp anything. And liono is a lame waste of time cause knapp doesnt want 3 guys he doesnt know.. Theres at least 4 better backups to compete with tp.
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Show me where I have every said give TP anything?
TP should be given nada…Either he can cut it or he cant.
The org will determine, not the blog…logic
May 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Raider Riff Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Yep, I will always use Gannon as my comparison. He’s the best we’ve ever had.
He’s a great example of how good someone can be if you give them time to develop.
He’s a great example of how overrated arm strength is.
11 games does not make a starting QB in this league.
And I dont see what is so hilarious about my stance on Pryor. My comments arent opinion. It’s a fact, Tressel just used Pryors athletic abilities. He didnt develop his QB IQ at all. He needs a lot of work to be brought up to the level of where a normal rookie QB is now. Pryor has all the physical tools to be great, but he got nowhere near the football education that someone like Andrew Luck got. Pryors footwork, mechanics, and mental game all need a lot of work. Show me someone credible that feels any different and I will show you a unicorn.
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Very valid opinion Riff. I would also add the kid needs to “grow up” and learn to master the other aspects of being a starting QB in the NFL. Leadership can be developed.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
@ #301 … I really would, at least a LB can make or break a roster impact … rather than force a staff to develop a project QB and have to try-out Jim Sorgi and company to jump him in the depth chart.
You know its sad when Jim Sorgi is trying out to be the #2 and T. Pryor is #3 heck maybe even Rhett Bomar is #3.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Most 3rd rounders are not instant starters and many bust out.. Outside of veldeer what luck have we had in the 3rd? But beyond that…
Burfict over tp? Crazy talk..
May 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
hating on a football player due to his preference of religion is pretty strange.
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I don’t hate on Tebow at all, and certainly not for his religious beliefs (as silly as they may be).
What I can’t stand is religious nimrods giving a thoroughly mediocre QB all this press simply because of the whacked-out cult he belongs to.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
283. Lol me..
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Ok, you got it…lol
May 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
How many times did anyone notcie T. Pryor laughing on the sidelines during games …. joking around, being foolish and dumb. Kid has zero balls to lead an NFL offense and team. Jersey’s for tattoos …. nuff said.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
304. 272. Throw tp in the fire even though I dont think hes ready.. Logical
Thats what I disagreed with.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
How many times did anyone notcie T. Pryor laughing on the sidelines during games …. joking around, being foolish and dumb. Kid has zero balls to lead an NFL offense and team. Jersey’s for tattoos …. nuff said.
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Of all the things I can fault the kid for, those are very, very low on the list. At least, if we’re going to indict him as a person over those things, we’d have to do so for most of the Raiders’ roster and a good chunk of NCAA athletes.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Most 3rd rounders are not instant starters and many bust out.. Outside of veldeer what luck have we had in the 3rd? But beyond that…
Burfict over tp? Crazy talk..
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3rd rounders
2011 – CB DeMarcus Van Dyke, Miami (81st overall)
2011 – T Joe Barksdale, LSU (92nd overall)
2010 – T Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale (69th overall)
2009 – DE Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin (71st overall)
4th rounders
011 – CB Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State (113th overall)
2011 – RB Taiwan Jones, Eastern Washington (125th overall)
2010 – G/T Bruce Campbell, Maryland (106th overall)
2010 – WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson (108th overall)
2009 – WR Louis Murphy, Florida (124th overall)
2009 – LB Slade Norris, Oregon State (126th overall)
2008 – S Tyvon Branch, UConn (100th overall)
2008 – WR Arman Shields, Richmond (125th overall)
2008 – RB Michael Bush, Louisville (100th overall)
2008 – CB John Bowie, Cincinnati (110th overall)
YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF LOOK REALLY STUPID
May 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
How many times did anyone notcie T. Pryor laughing on the sidelines during games …. joking around, being foolish and dumb.
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@ paradise
Never – but he was the #3 QB behind Campbell (then Palmer) and Kyle Boller in 2011 anyways
who cares? Mark Brunell is a seasoned vet QB with tons of starting experience and all the leadership ability in the world. He was joking around whiping boogers on Mark Sanchez
who says you can’t have fun & still do your job ??
Reggie’s #1 concern is that these kids love football.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@Duck
i’m sorry, but I don’t view Christianity as a “whacked-out cult” and I certainly wouldn’t classify those who disagree with you as “nimrods”
Tebow is a football player and he should be graded on his football performance alone. That is what I’ve been doing. You bringing up that other stuff clearly means I had you pegged right from the beginning. Come on, Duck.
You’re better than this. You’re one of my favorite dudes on here. Don’t make me lose all respect for you – I don’t want to
May 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
TP is a very simple equation, if the org thinks he can cut it he stays, if not he gets run….The end
May 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Oakland, Calif.: Protesters playing cat-and-mouse with police, pounded on windows of banks and other businesses, SFGate.com reported. After surrounding a downtown Bank of America branch, protesters chanted, “Oakland is the people’s town, strike occupy, shut it down.” they also gathered at a Wells Fargo bank branch. Police later confronted demonstrators marching through downtown. Video by NBCBayArea.com showed at least one protester being dragged away by police.
What’s going on out there in OakTown?
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I miss the Master Beeechum comedy hour in the PM’s
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I give-up …. You can alll be Pryor fans, I hope is a a great player for us, but I am 90% sure he will be nothing based on his character traits, inability to make throws standing in the pocket and doesn’t strike me as a guy who has the mind to read a NFl defense pre-snap.
I see him as a Brad Smith type.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Oakland, Calif.: Protesters playing cat-and-mouse with police, pounded on windows of banks and other businesses, SFGate.com reported. After surrounding a downtown Bank of America branch, protesters chanted, “Oakland is the people’s town, strike occupy, shut it down.” they also gathered at a Wells Fargo bank branch. Police later confronted demonstrators marching through downtown. Video by NBCBayArea.com showed at least one protester being dragged away by police.
What’s going on out there in OakTown?
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Gun ‘em down!!!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
274.Thec Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
hwnrdr Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
What’s up Thec?
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What up Bro? Same story diff day
Agreed!
May 1st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Re: #314,
Always rubs me the wrong way when I see guys laughing when they’re losing…
If they are whipping up on someone than fine…laugh away, but we didn’t whip up on anybody last year.
Could have. Should have.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Money for nothin and our chicks for freeeeeeeee!
May 1st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I give-up …. You can alll be Pryor fans, I hope is a a great player for us, but I am 90% sure he will be nothing based on his character traits, inability to make throws standing in the pocket and doesn’t strike me as a guy who has the mind to read a NFl defense pre-snap.
I see him as a Brad Smith type.
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Before you give up, lets see what the org thinks. They may agree with you….
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B
May 1st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Yo Whut It Be, Blog Brahs
Did KrappyRat really get dissed in the chat? Can someone post the quote? The Certified Platinum Posse wants to frame it to hang over the hot tub
Yo, I guess you’re all still buzzing about my major announcement that I’m going into stand up comedy with a focus on impressions
Last night I got straight fizzle, did a hilarious impression of TJ that had bloggers spitting milk out of their noses
I’ve been listening to Weird Al records all day, working on some sweet jokes I’ll unleash on the blog
Just make sure you’re wearing diapers ’cause you’ll straight up krap your drawers
KrappyRat, you’ll krap double
May 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
318.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I miss the Master Beeechum comedy hour in the PM’s
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He’s there as Beech Dawg.
He’s now pursuing a stand-up comedy career he says.
He said he pulled the old “springy snake” gag on the Cetified Platinum Posse last night.
I’m sorry, but that guy cracks me up.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Pryor is making peanuts. he was an Al Davis pick, not a Reggie pick. he still needs some development.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Reggie cut him, but I would be a little disappointed. Gotta find out if this kid can play or not. If we chop Pryor, who will be the eventual replacement for Palmer? certainly not guys like Leinart, Sorgi or Bomar. It’ll be like riding with Kyle Boller again after JCamp got hurt. destined to fail or trade a future pick for somebody else.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@RRS:
My point was merely that grading Tebow as a player simply because he started some games for Denver is not an accurate portrayal. Tebow has this whole fanbase who revere him based on his religion, not because of his football talent. Denver’s giving him the starting job was nothing more than a ploy to sell tickets. The Jets traded for him to sell tickets as well. NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING DO WITH HIS ABILITY TO PLAY QB, and does not automatically make him a better player than Pryor or Leinart or anyone else.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I miss the Master Beeechum comedy hour in the PM’s
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Yo RR I took the weekend off to get 15 or 16 bjs
Totally wiped out my hog
May 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
12:12 [Comment From KoolKellKoolKell: ]
You are a piece of crap, unworthy of running this blog. I am a very successful realtor, people know me. Im important.
Tuesday May 1, 2012 12:12 KoolKell
12:12 Steve Corkran: Thanks for the high praise. Then, why are you in here? Kick rocks, Clown.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Tebow was a much better player than Pryor in college. Mr. Heisman can attest to that
May 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I forgot that we traded a conditional 4th rounder in 2013 for Curry.
So no 2nd rounder from the Palmer trade (assuming we don’t make it to the AFC Championship game) and no 4th rounder (or 5th rounder) from the Curry trade.
Man, why did Reggie take this job again? Could a GM walk into a worse situation in terms of cap space and limited picks? Got to admire his courage.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Comment From KoolKell
You are a piece of crap, unworthy of running this blog. I am a very successful realtor, people know me. Im important.
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Why would someone post something like that in my name. Such hateful little people.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
329.The Beeech Dawg Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I miss the Master Beeechum comedy hour in the PM’s
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Yo RR I took the weekend off to get 15 or 16 bjs
Totally wiped out my hog
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You can’t give up on the “2Kewl4Skewl” project though.
Too much effort has been expended to ensure its success.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
hwnrdr Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am
Kyle Boller has 48 TD’s
How?
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Playin’ Madden a lot?
May 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Man, why did Reggie take this job again? Could a GM walk into a worse situation in terms of cap space and limited picks? Got to admire his courage.
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McKenzie’s got some swagger. Thinks he can make chicken salad out of chicken s***. Got to admire that about him. Very confident in his ability to get the most out of the draft and the players already on the roster. His confidence is the reason I have confidence in his ability to turn the Raiders into a consistent winner.
And if he doesn’t get the job done? The Raiders can, for the first time in their existence, find another GM.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
331.SR Raider Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Tebow was a much better player than Pryor in college. Mr. Heisman can attest to that
the year he won the Heisman, I believe there were better players that were worthy of that trophy…but…
May 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Man, why did Reggie take this job again? Could a GM walk into a worse situation in terms of cap space and limited picks? Got to admire his courage.
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Because he picked Mark Tasucher and Donald Driver both in the 7th round while in Green Bay, just to mention his talent eye. Both were/are pro-bwolers and great players.
He will make Oakland special for years to come.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dudes, if any of you can convince Albert Bigelo Puss to come by the penthouse, I’ve got 4 banana peels (the bananas went into my morning bowl of Chex) that I’ll lay by the door that he’ll totally slip on
Imagine how hard we’ll all laugh when he falls and is like “uh, what happened?”
The look on his face will be priceless
Don’t worry, I’m cooking up another hot comedy gem as we speak, first gotta push out this massive poo log
It almost came out on it’s own while I was representin’ on the StairMaster
MAD RESPECT TO MY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOWELS
May 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
335.Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
hwnrdr Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am
Kyle Boller has 48 TD’s
How?
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Playin’ Madden a lot?
LOL…
May 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“Chinese kicker Long Ding will try out for Jaguars26By Gregg Rosenthal NFL.com
Around The League editor
Published: May 1, 2012 at 03:36 p.m. Updated: May 1, 2012 at 04:36 p.m. Print Friend(s) Email Your Email Send Email By Gregg Rosenthal NFL.com Javhid Best expected to be cleared for contact in JunePhil Simms’ son lands Jets tryoutMore Columns > Undrafted Chinese kicker Long Ding will try out for the Jacksonville Jaguars over the weekend at their rookie minicamp, the next stop on an improbable football journey.”
That is a cool name for a punter lol.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Denver’s giving him the starting job was nothing more than a ploy to sell tickets.
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@Duck
I don’t buy that. I think Tebow was named the starting QB because Kyle Orton & Brady Quinn are awful. I don’t think he’s a great QB, but I think he made the most of his opportunities. I think the team rallied around him and I think he showed leadership. He was a winner in college. He was the main reason Denver made the playoffs and beat Pittsburgh a year ago. just my opinion. I’m not going to buy his jersey. I was lobbying for Reggie to trade for him. I just give credit when it’s due – regardless of what religion the guy is. I hate the Donkeys with a passion. I’m glad Tebow is a NY Jet now. I think the Raider will fair much better against Peyton Manning. write that down
May 1st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Comment From Goldie7
Kookkell is the clown. lol Mark it down
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Look at this, even on the Live Chat, people waste their time on this stuff………really pathetic.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
AIG,
I agree, I too wonder if TP is smart enough to handle the position. QB is a “judgement” position. You need to have good personal judgement to succeed. It’s refelctive of the demands of the position.
A guy like Rothlisberger has poor judgement but he gets away with it due to his physical abilities. Like Vick and a few others.
That said though, all reports are that TP has been a very hard worker since signing with us so Im going to give the kid the benefit of the doubt for now.
RRS, you havent said what you think of that article?
And for those of you who are so anti Leinart… none of us think he’s going to be the “savior” if CP goes down. We just think he’s capable of a few quarters of decent enough football to keep us in games. But no matter what, if he is in the game, its going to have to be our running game and defense that wins it for us. All we are saying is that we think Leinart can manage a game. Thats it.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Chinese kicker Long Dong will try out for Jaguars
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bwahahahahahahaha!!
The Beeech Dawg is chinese??
May 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Shane Lechler has more TD passes than T. Pryor lol
May 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
And yeah, Tebow was ruined at Florida.
Ive seen tape of him in high school. Hell, I remember him when he played in highschool. He was a great high school QB. Had he been developed in college, he’d be a great pro QB. Instead he’s just a basically a fullback. It’s a shame.
TP and the Raiders seem to be trying to salvage TP’s talent whereas Tebow has had two years and done very little to fix his mechanical issues.
We shall see come preseason how much progress TP has made. Hopefully we see some progress.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
no matter what, if he is in the game, its going to have to be our running game and defense that wins it for us. All we are saying is that we think Leinart can manage a game. Thats it.
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@Riff
I think Pryor can hand the ball off and make a few throws off the play action, as well.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Comment From Goldie7
Kookkell is the clown. lol Mark it down
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Look at this, even on the Live Chat, people waste their time on this stuff………really pathetic.
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This from an old fool who wasted his time writing a letter to the mod to get another blogger banned.
Go kick rocks, Clown!
EXPRESSION OF THE YEAR IN THE HOUSE
May 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Shane Lechler has more TD passes than T. Pryor
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Andrew Luck, too!
May 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Thec Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I would of taken Vontaze Burflict over Terrelle Pryor anyday.
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hahahahahahaha….WOW
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Burfict over TP? Really? Burfict can’t play from county.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Thec Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I would of taken Vontaze Burflict over Terrelle Pryor anyday.
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hahahahahahaha….WOW
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Burfict over TP? Really? Burfict can’t play from county.
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and Pryor can’t play from 3rd string
May 1st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Frame it Beech
May 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Pryor can’t play from 3rd string
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Really?
tell that to TJ Yates
May 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
DJ my new comedy career is but another money making side project that will ensure all of us cool Blog Brahs more weed and horned up strippers
2K4S will always be our cash cow and we need to get the fan club – the 2 Kewl 4 Skool Party Down Fan Club – selling some serious merch
Get with Raider O this afternoon on some tee shirt designs that use a lot of neon Turquoise
Also need to work on “Operation Star Power” – brainwashing our teenage fans into stealing their parents credit card #s and mailing them to us at a discreet PO Box
May 1st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Long Ding…google him…
6′, 209lbs and can bench 300 lbs…
Pretty strong dude! Longest kick was 51 yards…wouldn’t be surprised if he does get picked up. Who does Jacksonville have now?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
A biker is riding by the zoo in Washington, DC when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion’s cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the collar of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.
The biker jumps off his Harley, runs up to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.
Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker bring her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly. A reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter addressing the Harley rider says, ‘Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I’ve seen a man do in my whole life.’
The Harley rider replies, ‘Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger and acted as I felt right.’ The reporter says, ‘Well, I’ll make sure this won’t go unnoticed. I’m a journalist, you know, and tomorrow’s paper will have this story on the front page… So, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have?’
The biker replies, ‘I’m a U.S. Marine and a Republican’ The journalist leaves.
The following morning the biker buys the paper to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:
“U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH!”
….pretty much sums up the media’s approach to the news these
days…
May 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
What would the natl media be saying if we were…let’s say the Vikings?
“With the top rusher in the league going down mid-season, and their starting QB going down, and losing thier long time GM as well, i’d say going 8-8 was a big accomplishment”. “You gotta figure with one of the leagues biggest game-breakers coming back and a new, defensive minded HC, plus the return of a former pro bowl QB who really came on at the end of the season, that this team will really be ready to do some big things in 2012″.
That’s what they would say about the Vikes…but…it’s the Raiders so let’s just asume the worst.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Dan78 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Frame it Beech
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You gotta wonder how many hours a day KrappyRat actually does wander aimlessly around his neighborhood, dressed as a clown, kicking rocks
May 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
That’s what they would say about the Vikes…but…it’s the Raiders so let’s just asume the worst.
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I think the rookie GM, HC and DC play heavily into the lack of positive press. That’s a lot of change to expect success in the first year
May 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
my bad, long ding is a kicker not a punter!
May 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
my bad, long ding is a kicker not a punter!
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@Dakota
I was gonna say, didn’t the Jags just waste a 3rd rounder on a punter ???
May 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Pryor can’t play from 3rd string
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Really?
tell that to TJ Yates
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TJ Yates can complete a pass from the pocket, read a defense and actually has a brain. Pryor completes easy throws when he leaves the pocket as defenses freeze, or come up to stop him from running at least that worked in college in the BIg-10 when it was an awful conference for 3 years.
Yates ran an NFL offense at North Carolina.
Pryor ran some kiddy option run game, draw, wishbone, roll-out, move the pocket to “baby” him.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:19 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Thec Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I would of taken Vontaze Burflict over Terrelle Pryor anyday.
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hahahahahahaha….WOW
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Burfict over TP? Really? Burfict can’t play from county.
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and Pryor can’t play from 3rd string
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Not yet anyway.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Comment From Goldie7
Kookkell is the clown. lol Mark it down
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Look at this, even on the Live Chat, people waste their time on this stuff………really pathetic.
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lol Hey Kell. You said that you are a successful realtor? Why didn’t you find the Raiders a new stadium? Please hook the Raiders up with a new home.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
I don’t know why anybody would think Reggie would get rid of Lechler.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Goldie, Get a life, dude.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I have a life KK
May 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Must be a boring one.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
complete a pass from the pocket, read a defense and actually has a brain
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@ paradise
why do you think Pryor is dumb ? sounds racist
Pryor had the playbook down before Campbell got injured. After the Cleveland game, he sent Hue Jackson a text msg that said “i’m ready” . That was with no offseason, OTA’s, camp, preseason, and the first few weeks of the regular season. As a rookie.
Reggie said he’s giving him a shot at the #2 QB job.
Do you question Reggie’s judgement?
If Pryor truly is dumber than a box of rocks, I doubt Reggie even keeps him as #3 QB or on the practice squad …
May 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Nah, it’s an exciting life KK with tons of challenges but sometimes boring.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
@Kell
Goldie7 is a Nick Miller fan
nuff said??
May 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Here we go Lakers here we go!
boom boom
Did the Warriors make the NBADL playoffs this year?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
how much do the Nuggets win by tonight???
May 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
lol Yep Rockstar I’m a huge lil Nicky fan. I love you jerks.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Goldie7 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Nah, it’s an exciting life KK with tons of challenges but sometimes boring.
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You go on the Live Chat, with a chance to ask Corkran a question, and you talk about ME?????
Nah, you aint got NO Life.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Yep, I have a life KK.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
I can’t name 3 players on the Thugetts actually…
last time I watched them they had Iverson, Mello, Birdman, Nene, JR Smith & K-Mart
May 1st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
how did Dungver make the NBA playoffs?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Rockstar…..I think the last game Iverson played with the Nuggs was against the Lakers, and I was at that game.
Lakers won of course.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Goldie7 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Nah, it’s an exciting life KK with tons of challenges but sometimes boring.
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You go on the Live Chat, with a chance to ask Corkran a question, and you talk about ME?????
Nah, you aint got NO Life.
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I just thought you were out of line and disrespectful KK. Cork never done anything wrong to you.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
KK is a realtor?
I thought he was someone important?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Goldie
Shut up dumbass, you know that wasn’t me. It was probably you in the first place.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
KrappyRat, when you were writing that tattletale letter to Becker about how much I scared you, did you ever imagine it would blow up in your face like this?
Or, even worse, did you ever imagine Corkran would tell you on a live chat to “Go Kick Rocks, Clown”
Old fool, you gotta admit, that’s pretty funny
Er, I mean humiliating
May 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Why might someone think Pryor has poor judgment? Ummmm… how about the whole OSU fiasco.
And like said before, his tweets dont bode well for him.
The sad thing about judgement is that either you have it or you dont.
Im rooting for the kid. I like his personality and work ethic. I want AD’s last pick to be successful. I think TP has the tools to be super. He’s just a long ways off thats all.
VY was suggested earlier. Interesting. I’d like to see what kind of conditioning he’s in. In his Tenn days he was thin and nimble. In Philly it looked like he gained a few pounds.
I’d still rather have Garcia but it doesnt appear that he’s an option.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
I definitely dont want Sorgi.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
@ RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Because I think Terelle Pryor is dumb makes me racist? LMAO
How about you look at his choices he has made. Had to abandon his teamates and leave college early for violating team and NCAA rules.
Laughing on sideline of KC game with the undressed players when we were getting ripped on the scoreboard.
in repsonse to the loss of that game…
“they had a package for me, i was going to throw it around a lot, but for some reason Hue didn’t want to put me in after the penalty flagged 1st down, I don’t know why?”
… kid is a clown … shouldn’t even be telling the media about his “package” …
May 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
What would the natl media be saying if we were…let’s say the Vikings?
“With the top rusher in the league going down mid-season, and their starting QB going down, and losing thier long time GM as well, i’d say going 8-8 was a big accomplishment”. “You gotta figure with one of the leagues biggest game-breakers coming back and a new, defensive minded HC, plus the return of a former pro bowl QB who really came on at the end of the season, that this team will really be ready to do some big things in 2012″.
That’s what they would say about the Vikes…but…it’s the Raiders so let’s just asume the worst.
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Sounds like Johnny has been watching to much BSPN or NFLN lately. Time to take the Remote.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Beeech Dawg, your life is making up silly poems about me. I don’t know why I’m so important to you.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Goldie
Shut up dumbass, you know that wasn’t me. It was probably you in the first place.
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Huh? Very baffling. Hey KK, are you Sully too?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
paradise.. Out of the 14 picks you gave me, only 1 was an instant starter.. veldeer. The one I already brought up.. You made my point..
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@Dakota
I was gonna say, didn’t the Jags just waste a 3rd rounder on a punter ???
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I seem to recall a certain owner/General Manager that once wasted 1st rounders on both a punter and a kicker. How’d that turn out?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Let’s talk football, ok?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
I knew it. Speak of thee angel. Sup Sully?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I seem to recall a certain owner/General Manager that once wasted 1st rounders on both a punter and a kicker. How’d that turn out?
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Guy should be a HoFer.
Janikowski was hardly the only highly-drafted kicker…
May 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RosterWatch @RosterWatch
Would be a nice fit! “@evansilva: Free agent Cedric Benson is reportedly hoping to sign with the #Raiders: http://bit.ly/lL8OQi“
May 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Per Rotoworld:
ESPN’s John Clayton reported on NFL Live Tuesday that free agent Cedric Benson is “hoping” to catch on with the Raiders.
“Benson is hoping to maybe land with the Oakland Raiders,” Clayton said. “… There’s an opening there and he’s hoping to fill it.” The “opening” Clayton is referring to was created by Michael Bush’s departure. Benson makes some sense as a power back behind Darren McFadden, but he’ll have to settle for the veteran’s minimum in order to latch on in Oakland.
Unfortunately, per Clayton, Benson has received “no phone calls so far this week.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I think the last game Iverson played with the Nuggs was against the Lakers, and I was at that game
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@Dakota
Last time I saw Iverson play was at Arco Arena, when Philly came to Sac.
I think that was when the Kings had Divoc, Miller, Webber, Peja, Bibby, etc (not a bad team) coached by Adelman
AI scored 38: had a triple double with Bibby on him
Bibby scored like 10. Peja scored 36 on whoever was guarding him (Iggy?)
Iverson was once again 76ers only source of offense and they lost by 4-6 pts
May 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
KrappyRat I’ve never written a single lyric about you, old fool. All my hot jams are for Rasta Ganja, 2 Kewl 4 Skool, or my hip hop solo career
Why don’t you tell us why I frightened you so much that you ran like a little girl to tattletale on me to Becker?
Can’t believe I really scared you that much, kinda sad
May 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
paradise.. Out of the 14 picks you gave me, only 1 was an instant starter.. veldeer. The one I already brought up.. You made my point..
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You are stupid:
Ok take away Tyvon Branch, Matt Shaungessy, Jacoby Ford from our roster …. D-Moore 5th rounder ….. Michael Bush 4th rounder …… Veldheer …. all starters within 1 year.
Pryor aka Tavaris Jackson, won’t ever start a NFL game.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Cedric Benson would be a phenomenal fit with the Raiders….better than Michael Bush. Thanks for telling us YA. Good looking out.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Yeah, I’m Sully, President 0bama AND George Bush, ok?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I seem to recall a certain owner/General Manager that once wasted 1st rounders on both a punter and a kicker. How’d that turn out?
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Guy should be a HoFer.
Janikowski was hardly the only highly-drafted kicker…
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To the Nation Guy IS a HofF’er.
Besides Sea-Bass what other kicker(s) was/were a No. 1? (Hint: the last one was in ‘79)
May 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
ESPN’s John Clayton reported on NFL Live Tuesday that free agent Cedric Benson is “hoping” to catch on with the Raiders
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Sweet, pick up the phone Reggie!
remember when Corey Dillon said he’d look good wearing silver & black?
then Al Davis passed on him and he played pretty well for New England. I’ll take Benson over Ryan Grant for sure
Still take a flier on Lady Tomlinson, too.
RRS = not sold on Goodson
May 1st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I wouldnt mind Benson.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
KrappyRat I’ve never written a single lyric about you, old fool. All my hot jams are for Rasta Ganja, 2 Kewl 4 Skool, or my hip hop solo career
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Get a Life, klown.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Cedric Benson would make me feel better about our RB contingent going into 2012. He has kept his nose clean in recent years hasn’t he?
May 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
355.The Beeech Dawg Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
DJ my new comedy career is but another money making side project that will ensure all of us cool Blog Brahs more weed and horned up strippers
2K4S will always be our cash cow and we need to get the fan club – the 2 Kewl 4 Skool Party Down Fan Club – selling some serious merch
Get with Raider O this afternoon on some tee shirt designs that use a lot of neon Turquoise
Also need to work on “Operation Star Power” – brainwashing our teenage fans into stealing their parents credit card #s and mailing them to us at a discreet PO Box
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Already on it.
I have some telemarketers at my office who are making calls.
Here’s the script:
“Hello…my name is ______ I am calling on behalf of 2Kewl4Skewl in Marina Del Ray, Ca.
If you notice unusual charges to your card for merchandise purchases, please don’t be alarmed and kind of go along with it. It’s just your kids using your card to buy stuff from us.
If you care to dispute the charges please call (then we give them a 900 number that connects them with a fat chick hotline that charges 20.00 per minute).
That’s another $ making opp. we might not want to ignore.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Yeah, I’m Sully, President 0bama AND George Bush, ok?
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Thought so. Either you guys are neighbors or that’s your BFF….only if he is not you.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Im not sold on Goodson either. I think Benson would be better. Even Ryan Grant would be better but I dont know if he’s durable enough. If he is starting, its cause Dmac is out, and we are then at that point super thin at RB. Our “bruiser” RB has to be durable as all heck.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Pryor aka Tavaris Jackson, won’t ever start a NFL game
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hey paradise, NEWSFLASH
T-Jax is better than Leinart.
more starts, better TD/INT ratio, QB Rating, actually on an NFL team
both players are going on their 7th NFL season
May 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
If we could get Osi in our Silver and Black, I wouldn’t be too concerned about Manning and Brees.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
I don’t mind the firing of the previous Head Scout. He’s been here a long time, but the team has not really won anything in about 30 years.
And the last time we made it to the Sup, I remember the team was composed mostly of quality Free Agents not too many Draftees. (Cwood, Kennedy? the exceptions)
May 1st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I must be having a bad dream. I thought KK got banned.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I must be having a bad dream.
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No, you’re locked in your own personal hell, and can’t get out. Lol.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I must be having a bad dream.
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No, you’re locked in your own personal hell, and can’t get out. Lol.
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That might be true and yet it’s still better than being a tool like you are.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
DJ, this is the reason I chose you to be the Co-Leader of the 2K4S Fan Club
With your moxie and Raider O’s love of weed, we’re going to take this thing to the next level
Which has inspired me to write a new jam called “Taking This Thing To The Next Level”
Hey guys, let’s dance to the awesome beat
We’ll take our party from the hills to the street
It’s time to make rock n roll perfection
Unfortunately we can only achieve small erections
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Schefter is reporting Leinart is signing with the Raiders
May 1st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Leinart is a solid signing. Kubiak praised his changed attitude and work ethic over the past two seasons. kid might have grown up and matured into a solid backup QB.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
400. Paradise.. I see your reading comprehension is too low for you to fully understand my short posts.. You get confused and immediately resort to name calling.. Im done with you.. If you cant read your opinion means squat..
May 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
400. Paradise.. I see your reading comprehension is too low for you to fully understand my short posts.. You get confused and immediately resort to name calling.. Im done with you.. If you cant read your opinion means squat..
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Daaaaaaaaaaang! Marks hair is on fire. Got his beyotch on!
May 1st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
419. I hope so cause im not sold.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
400. Paradise.. I see your reading comprehension is too low for you to fully understand my short posts.. You get confused and immediately resort to name calling.. Im done with you.. If you cant read your opinion means squat..
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Sorry T. Pryor tawt me how tu reed
May 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Attention Matt
Its your last chance, baby. You can be the heir apparant to Plunkett or Lamar Odom
I am rooting for you to pull a Plunkett
May 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Daaaaaaaaaaang! Marks hair is on fire. Got his beyotch on!
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Name calling is all you got, isn’t it?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I’m still hoping we are able to coach up T. Pryor and give him a chance.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Daaaaaaaaaaang! Marks hair is on fire. Got his beyotch on!
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Name calling is all you got, isn’t it?
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What’s that, Pootbutt?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Get a Life, Klown.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Texans released Jacoby Jones
May 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Get a Life, Klown.
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Name calling is all you got, isn’t it?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Texans released Jacoby Jones
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That dude had every oppurtunity to suceed and sucked @#*#&@!. Really hope we don’t pick him up.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Merci. Texans release Jacoby Jones? Another great pick up for the Raiders, if possible. Let’s get her done, Mr. Reggie.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I think Jacoby Jones would be a good signing for the Raiders.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Jones is terrible. Knapp no doubt remembers how he disappeared when the Texans needed him to step up in Johnson’s absence.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Schefter is reporting Leinart is signing with the Raiders
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Unless the Doc’s installed a bionic arm (ala Steve Austin) when they fixed his busted collarbone, Leinart’s noodle arm is better suited, twirling the heffer’s at ballroom dance class…..
May 1st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Another Lineart Rumor on Pro Football Talk:
Matt Leinart signing with Raiders today
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 1, 2012, 6:21 PM EDT
AP
Matt Leinart is heading back to California, and back to backing up Carson Palmer.
Leinart is signing today with the Oakland Raiders, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports.
In 2002, when Palmer won the Heisman Trophy at USC, Leinart was his backup. Leinart would go on to earn the starting job at USC, win the Heisman Trophy in 2004 and was the 10th overall pick in the 2006 NFL draft.
But unlike Palmer, Leinart has never proven himself capable of playing in the NFL. Leinart was a major disappointment for the Cardinals and spent the last two seasons as a backup in Houston, where he suffered a season-ending collarbone injury in his only start last year.
After the Texans released Leinart, there didn’t appear to be a lot of interest. But with the Raiders he’ll have a good chance of making the roster as the No. 2 quarterback, behind Palmer and ahead of Terrelle Pryor on the quarterback depth chart.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Reggie should be afraid, very afraid. According to Corky in the live chat, DMAC is “nearly” 100% healthy. The presumption therefore is that DMAC still suffers from a sprained foot.
My prediction:
DMAC will go down for the season by game #8. That will effectively end our season since there is no one to fit into his shoes. RB by committee with Jones, Reece, the guy we traded BCampell for etc. is ridiculous.
This will be the Raiders Achilles Heel. It seems to have been ignored. Remember the so-called “committee” has not proven itself at all, except for the fact that Taiwan Jone is injury prone himself.
I hope it works, but I doubt it. In the end we’ll be kicking rocks for our failure to retain Bush.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
If given a chance Jacoby Jones would be much better than Chaz Schillens.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
# Dakota Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am
328.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
@320
I disagree Dakota…
First thing he does after getting hired is FIRE Hue Jack….
First thing he does after draft is fire a scout with 33 years experience.
This man is losing my respect very fast.
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“All blame is a waste of time. No matter how much fault you find with another, and regardless of how much you blame him, it will not change you. The only thing blame does is to keep the focus off you when you are looking for external reasons to explain your unhappiness or frustration. You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming him, but you won’t succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy.” -Wayne Dyer-
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LMAO
How could anyone fire Hue Jackson? I mean, the dude is a Hall of Famer!!!! So loyal and honest himself! I am sure he would happily have accepted Reggie as his boss after openly declaring that he was taking over the organization……
Kingdon…head scout for 33 years….guy failed on McClain, DHB, Russell, Gallery, Schweigert, Buchanon, Washington and the list goes on and on and on…..hard to say how much say he really had, but he at least didn’t convince Al that he should avoid those losers….for that alone he should be fired. He has been part of the problem for more than a quarter century of bad to mediocre football since out last SB victory. bye bye, don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
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When you buy an old house to renovate, the very first thing you do is sweep up the garbage and throw it out.
Hue Jackson was garbage.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
KrappyRat, instead of resorting to cut and pasting tired old articles and running and hiding, why don’t we settle this the man’s way?
I’m calling you out, old fool –
ULTIMATE BLOG RAP BATTLE
Lyrical warfare BEEECHAM V KRAPPY
5 Rounds
This Friday in the blog. You and Me, fool.
Are you tough enough to enter my internet hip hop octagon? Probably not,huh
May 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
But what do I know? I’m a huge fan of lil Nicky. lol
May 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I seem to recall a certain owner/General Manager that once wasted 1st rounders on both a punter and a kicker. How’d that turn out?
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Guy should be a HoFer.
Janikowski was hardly the only highly-drafted kicker…
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To the Nation Guy IS a HofF’er.
Besides Sea-Bass what other kicker(s) was/were a No. 1? (Hint: the last one was in ‘79)
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I remember both of these picks when they happened. All I could say is that why did he (Davis) not just trade back and pick up picks. No one was going to take Jano till the 4th and Guy until at least the 3rd so you could of got Jano in the 3rd and Guy in the 2nd or early 3rd.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
I don’t think anybody here is in a position to blame McKenzie for the firing of a scout.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
“Back to Cali……Cali, Cali, Cali…..”
Lienart is a spoiled white boy who held a conception that he was already a superstar in the NFL on draft day, 2007.
That conception blew up on him. Of course he could still make it as a backup, but the image of being a loser looms too large for him; he can’t overcome it.
That is what separates Plunkett and Gannon from the ordinary washed up QB. They were flumoxed, beat up, and cast off, and still held an image of greatness of themselves. They dug very deep and worked and worked, came back and went on to greater things.
Lienart, most probably is irredeemable, even for a backup QB.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
I thought jones had plenty of chances in hou.. Liehart too pass & double pass.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Old School
I would not blame Kingdon for all those picks. AD had the ultimate authority. We do not know what Kingdon would have done if he had autonomy. Having said that, RM said right off he wanted to put in his guys. He will fail or succeed with the people he installs. He has that right and responsibility to do that.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Picking a kicker in rd 1 was ALs lamest decision ever.. No excuses.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The racism is thick and gooey today..
May 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Hardline
Well apparently the OC who knew him last year is putting his livelihood on the line by giving the Coach and the GM the recommendation for hire. Lienhart did act like a spoiled child but getting beat out by a FA and then getting your shoulder broke can be a humbling experience.
Once again – he is a backup to be compared with the likes of Kyle Boller, Trent Edwards etc….
May 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Picking a kicker in rd 1 was ALs lamest decision ever.. No excuses.
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You don’t want to go down the list again do you. DeAngelo Hall and all the money he spent easily beats that decision among many others. How about the 1st for Moss when the team was in such dissarry. Since 1993 I can go on and on.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Daaaaaaaaaaang! Marks hair is on fire. Got his beyotch on!
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Name calling is all you got, isn’t it?
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KK I was actually paying Marks hair a rare compliment frankly.
Let the big boys play kiddo.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:56 pm
That conception blew up on him. Of course he could still make it as a backup, but the image of being a loser looms too large for him; he can’t overcome it.
That is what separates Plunkett and Gannon from the ordinary washed up QB. They were flumoxed, beat up, and cast off, and still held an image of greatness of themselves. They dug very deep and worked and worked, came back and went on to greater things.
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Hardline
I don’t disagree with that analysis but I can tell you what you wrote is very similar to something that was wrote when AD first got Plunkett by a Bay Area journalist. Plunkett before Oakland was perhaps not the biggest bust but definitively the biggest disappointment of that time. Far bigger than the fall ML had.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Goldie7 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
If given a chance Jacoby Jones would be much better than Chaz Schillens.
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That’s not saying much.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Picking a kicker in rd 1 was ALs lamest decision ever.. No excuses.
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I’d have to disagree. Though everything else with the team has sucked worse than some of KK’s takes for the last ten years the kicking game of the Raiders has been stout during that time.
May 1st, 2012 at 4:05 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I remember both of these picks when they happened. All I could say is that why did he (Davis) not just trade back and pick up picks. No one was going to take Jano till the 4th and Guy until at least the 3rd so you could of got Jano in the 3rd and Guy in the 2nd or early 3rd.
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Should’a, would’a, could’a? Really?
May 1st, 2012 at 4:08 pm
The Texans were reportedly very disappointed by Jacoby Jones. Knapp was the QB coach there. Any reason to necessarily believe he likes Jones? Obviously familiar with him, must have an idea on his value
Leinart had lots of left (throwing) shoulder injuries/offseason surgeries in college, and I believe another early in NFL career. He actually was good as an NFL rookie (like 5-6 years ago) and then many think his Hollywood mentality got the best of him overshadowing his modest ability as an NFL QB. He since has had more injuries to throwing shoulder, latest last year after throwing like 13 passes. I think the free agent rookie took over for him after he got hurt though, not beat him out for 2nd string
May 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Hey Cork,
Cutting McClain would result in about 14 mil in accelerated bonus against him, while keeping him costs us 4.6 mil + 970,000 in salary. So to cut him we have to come up with about 8 mil in cap space this year.
Lechler costs almost 6 mil in cap space this year. You think there is no way he is cut?
I think you and Jerry Mac have to figure out something about the NFL salary cap if you want to stay in your current job. This crap of calling it a “myth” and pretending it doesn’t exist makes you look completely without knowledge, and frankly not so worthwhile reading.
Do your homework guys, earn your paychecks.
May 1st, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Man I just ask Cork today If he’d heard of us going after Cedric Benson! He’d be a SOLID backup for DMC!! And our core would look a lot better with him beside DMC,Taiwan and Goodson. Cork said he didn’t see that happening. Well low and behold Mr John CLayton said he and the Raiders are talking. SOrry Cork hope your wrong and Johny and I are right this time!!! You guys agree we’d have one of the best 1 2 punches in the backfield again???
May 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:56 pm,
Hardline
“I don’t disagree with that analysis but I can tell you what you wrote is very similar to something that was wrote when AD first got Plunkett by a Bay Area journalist. Plunkett before Oakland was perhaps not the biggest bust but definitively the biggest disappointment of that time. Far bigger than the fall ML had.”
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AutumnWind,
So what is your take on Leinart now, and also Pryor ?
May 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
TrueIndianaRaider, 460,
IndianaRaider,
We do need to establish a 1, 2 punch similar to DMAC and Bush. We don’t have that now without Bush and when DMAC goes down we’ll be in a world of hurt.
I have heard of Cedric Benson but don’t know anything about his stats or performance. Do you think he can really do the job?
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 am
Hardline: for sure I think he can help us. Last 3 years he’s been pretty durable 13-16 games. Been over 1000yds in the past 3 seasons!! Hasn’t avg less than 3.4 yds per carry since been in the league> This is all per ESPN stats! I definitely think he can do the job especially if were going with a second year back and a guy with not a lot of playing time!! Sign him Reggie
May 9th, 2012 at 11:51 am
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