Raleigh McKenzie to join personnel department
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Included among the scouting staff makeover for the Raiders will be the addition of Raleigh McKenzie, the twin brother of general manager Reggie McKenzie.
Sweeping changes were expecting in the department following the draft _ Reggie McKenzie hinted as much at the press conference announcing the hiring of Dennis Allen. The club confirmed Tuesday the release of Jon Kingdon a 33-year-veteran with the club.
When the Raiders finalize their scouting staff, the list also won’t include Bruce Kebric, who has been with the Raiders for 31 years.
Raleigh McKenzie played 17 seasons in the NFL, including 10 years with the Washington Redskins, and won two Super Bowl rings. He works as an elementary school special education teacher as well as a high school football coach in Herndon, Va. His role with the Raiders _ whether he’ll continue to be based in his home area or move west _ is not known.
The status of other Raiders scouts, including Calvin Branch, Zack Crockett, Angelo Coia, Kent McCloughan, Dave McCloughan and Mickey Marvin, is not known.
All have lengthy ties with the organization, either as a player, scout or both.
Tom Delaney, also of the personnel department, has been involved along with legal department staffer Dan Ventrelle in keeping coach Dennis Allen abreast of new collective bargaining issues for the offseason.
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May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Yo.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Big Reggie doin what Big Reggie gotta do.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
I hope Calvin Branch stays.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Big Reggie carryin a big mop around Raidah HQ.
Reggie Mac = Code Black!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Lets face it brahs. I really like the Leinart signing as a back up #2. Granted he went to USC and Pete made him who he is, but this is the NFL and he can mop up if needed. Save TP for the grooming and Leinart for the brooming. CP3 baby!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Every young scrub backup QB drafted is thought by the fans as being a guy who can slowly be groomed.
Then they turn into Pat Whites, and Dennis Dixons, and Joe Webbs…
May 1st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
By this time next year, the team will be known as the Oakland Mc-K’s and will have an outline of Reggie’s head and hair in the shield.
Really though, we won’t even recognize this team. Could be a good thing or a bad one, depending on which end of the spectrum of change you stand on.
I guess Hue’s quote of “they are going to gut this place” really holds true.
I wonder what Al is thinking…
May 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
alex7 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Every young scrub backup QB drafted is thought by the fans as being a guy who can slowly be groomed.
Then they turn into Pat Whites, and Dennis Dixons, and Joe Webbs…
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Maybe Big Reggie should try and get Romo for a #2, move Leinart to #3 and move TP to HB/TE and Boller could be the scrub.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Huge Lake Show win, now time to get fizzle on some banana daiquiris
Aw yeah, that’s how Backstreet Boyz represented back in the day
Brahs, 2 Kewl 4 Skool rehearsal was hella awesome. Although I briefly electrocuted my weiner on the keyboard amp
Thankfully I was able to soak off the burn in a nearby bottle of Kearns Nectar
Got some new lyrics coming your way, time to change into your favorite tighty whities and put on your Ray Bans
This jam is hella tight, like how my weiner fit into that bottle of Kearns Nectar
May 1st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Bad News Dude Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
So Leinart’s here to replace TP and Marquette King’s here to replace Lechler? lol…bunch of geniuses in here.
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Wouldn’t quite fit TP and Lechler in the same class…category, or even same playing field.
One is a perennial pro-bowler. One only played one down in the NFL and was penalized on that one play.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Wow, come on. It’s now a family business?
May 1st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
One nice thing the Raidahs will have is their #1 and #2 QBs’ are Heisman winners. TP will be in good company and be groomed for prime time in no time.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Has any team in the NFL ever had more Heisman winners on board than the Raidahs?
Remember when the Raidahs had the “Four Heisman of Oakland” on the field at the same time?
Hint: Plunk, Bo, Marcus and Timmy Browm
May 1st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
#12 –
So kinda like the best of both worlds eh? Palmer will show him what to do, and Leinart what not to do? lol…
May 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Silver and Black Heisman. Can any other NFL team make a claim like that, I think NOT!
BILLY CANNON
JIM PLUNKETT
MARCUS ALLEN
BO JACKSON
TIM BROWN
ANDRE WARE
DESMOND HOWARD
RASHAAN SALAAM
CHARLES WOODSON
CARSON PALMER
MATT LEINART
*Andre Ware and Rashaan Salaam were with the Raiders in the offseason and training camp.
Plunk should be in the HOF. What a farce. Bo is the only playah EVER to have two 90+ yards rushing for a TD.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Raleigh McKenzie to join personnel department
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Included among the scouting staff makeover for the Raiders will be the addition of Raleigh McKenzie, the twin brother of general manager Reggie McKenzie.
Sweeping changes were expecting in the department following the draft _ Reggie McKenzie hinted as much at the press conference announcing the hiring of Dennis Allen. The club confirmed Tuesday the release of Jon Kingdon a 33-year-veteran with the club.
When the Raiders finalize their scouting staff, the list also won’t include Bruce Kebric, who has been with the Raiders for 31 years.
Raleigh McKenzie played 17 seasons in the NFL, including 10 years with the Washington Redskins, and won two Super Bowl rings. He works as an elementary school special education teacher as well as a high school football coach in Herndon, Va. His role with the Raiders _ whether he’ll continue to be based in his home area or move west _ is not known.
The status of other Raiders scouts, including Calvin Branch, Zack Crockett, Angelo Coia, Kent McCloughan, Dave McCloughan and Mickey Marvin, is not known.
All have lengthy ties with the organization, either as a player, scout or both.
Tom Delaney, also of the personnel department, has been involved along with legal department staffer Dan Ventrelle in keeping coach Dennis Allen abreast of new collective bargaining issues for the offseason.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/05/01/raleigh-mckenzie-to-join-scouting-staff/
May 1st, 2012 at 11:39 pm
May 1st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Reggie’s obviously going to pay him to act as a double; he’ll brief Raleigh beforehand then send him about, thus doubling his presence at the facility or on the road. No one will be the wiser!
It’s like Calvin & Hobbes with the duplicates!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
May 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
papertiger418 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Reggie’s obviously going to pay him to act as a double; he’ll brief Raleigh beforehand then send him about, thus doubling his presence at the facility or on the road. No one will be the wiser!
It’s like Calvin & Hobbes with the duplicates!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
papertiger418 Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Reggie’s obviously going to pay him to act as a double; he’ll brief Raleigh beforehand then send him about, thus doubling his presence at the facility or on the road. No one will be the wiser!
It’s like Calvin & Hobbes with the duplicates!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
This is the same thing Jon Gruden and Lance tried to do years ago but Mr Davis wouldn’t have now Mark is basically handing this org. over to a guy even before he proves himself.
And there are actually Raider fans out there that think this is GOOD…………suckers!!
May 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Nepotism has its’ advantages.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Priest, I think it’s silly for him to fire these guys off without competent replacements on staff. He has guys in GB or wherever that he wants to hire than fine. But now he’s trying to make it a one-man-show without the support lines that Davis had. Even if he made all the decisions himself, he had some good guys with tons of experience backing him. Who’s gonna fill that knowledge gap?
May 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Nepotism has its’ advantages.
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Unfortunately VERY rarely turns out to be successful.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:57 pm
This is the same thing Jon Gruden and Lance tried to do years ago but Mr Davis wouldn’t have now Mark is basically handing this org. over to a guy even before he proves himself.
And there are actually Raider fans out there that think this is GOOD…………suckers!!
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Isn’t that pretty much the entire function of a general manager? Mark Davis certainly has less football acumen or credibility than Reggie McKenzie. Who else is going to run the organization?
May 1st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
priesttj Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
This is the same thing Jon Gruden and Lance tried to do years ago but Mr Davis wouldn’t have now Mark is basically handing this org. over to a guy even before he proves himself.
And there are actually Raider fans out there that think this is GOOD…………suckers!!
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It’s all good brah. Big Reggie got some what of a track record. He was like a #2 QB behind some good #1’s in GB and now he’s a #1 QB in Oaktown callin the plays. It’s all good. Mark HAD to give the duties to Big Reggie cause Mark still got his head at the beach. Big Reggie gonna be all right. Big Reggie just doin what Big Reggie gotta do. At least Big Reggie kept DMAC and the future HOF’er Denarius Moore.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
You guys just don’t get it Kent Mccloughan is one of the most repected scouts in the game. I worked right beside this man for about 4 years. His son David is a freaking genius when it comes to DB’s he could educate Deion Sanders on a few things. David McCloghan and Scott McCloughan biult the 49er team that you saw last year. He is now doing the sma ein Seattle. David McC is one the great scouts who I would ask questions about DB’s what to look for.
Bruce Kebric one the hardest working most loyal Raider scouts ove the last 25 years. These men drafted Marcus Allen suggested Bo Jackson to Mr Davis as well as m,any other players that you know knew and LOVE. What the hell has Reggie done alreayd to deserve to bring in his brother who has done a damn thing in any org. in his LIFE??
They found Rod Martin and many players helping Mr Davis make the decision that would shape this team for years. I just smell a big fat rat…………I’m sorry I have high hopes for Reggie and would love nothing more than for him to be wildly successful. But Prove something first, before you just clean house with no track record to speak of.
I know one thing Joh Madden and other did not see this coming but if mark doesn’t grow a pair quick an head some of this off. This has the markings of a complete disaster. I’m sorry but I cannot help but express my feelings about this these are loyal hard working people who have done great things why is he just dismissing them without any oppportunity to prove themselves. It’s the same thing he did to Hue Jackson just gto bring in a raw unproven rookie coach…..WHY???
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Alex,
I understand what you are saying regarding Pryor: he is a terrible passer. Maybe it is correct. However let’s look at the creme de la creme, Mr. Andrew Luck v. Oregon Ducks:
2011: Loss to Stanford 53 – 30
He threw for 271 yards and three touchdowns but threw two interceptions for the first time since last year’s Oregon game, lost a fumble and was sacked a career-high three times – one fewer than he had all season.
2010: Loss to Stanford 52 – 31
Stanford’s Andrew Luck was 29 of 46 for 241 yards and two scores. He was also intercepted twice.
Now let’s look at Terrel Pryor:
2010 Rosebowl: Ohio State v Oregon Ducks
Ohio beats the Ducks 26 – 17
Terrell Pryor completed 23 passes out of 37 attempts for a completion rating of 72.9% for 266 yds, with 2 TD’s and one INT. Pryor was also the rushing leader in the game for 72 yds.
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There is a strong case to made that Pryor isn’t a terrible passer, which flies in the face of Andrew Luck who has similiar stats not only in the Oregon losses but most of Stanford’s wins too. Plus Luck can’t run, or has been convinced by his handlers that he is NFL ready to start and too elite to run. I say good “luck” to the Colts on their new acquisition. Hopefully there #1 pick won’t go the way of Leinart.
The only true measure will be the playing field. Let’s hope TP is coached up and is given a fair chance, which, by the way, I can’t see why he wouldn’t (be given a fair chance).
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 am
I just have a feeling there is a coup at work Reggie knowing Mark is vulnerable. And he’s abusing his powers, these are some of the most respected scouts in the business and he’s not even giving them a chance to prove themselves he’s impulsively dismissing them for a bunch guys who haven’t done anything.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 am
There is a way to do everything and this is NOT it……………period
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 am
I told you guys whe he let Mike Bush go that it didn’t feel right…..and this crap is just confirming those initial instinctive reactions. Why would you let a talent like that kid just walk without an apparent replacement.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
What disaster? You mean the one we have experience ever since 2002? There is no coup here, Mark Davis hired McKenzie to bring the football operations into the modern era and to run that side of the organization. He is not impulsively dismissing anyone, he has a plan and just like Al, he is going to do things his way. He is going to hire his own guys and run his own ship. Reggie isn’t new to this, he watched how it was done in Green Bay for years and that way produced two super bowls. That’s two more than anyone in Alameda has experienced in two decades. I wish the old scouts well, they will always be Raiders but it’s a new day. Enjoy the sunshine with the silver and black lining.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:24 am
He hired his brother who is coming in with zero experience? What a schmuck.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 am
Green Bay won Super Bowls because that had stone cold studs for QBs…..not because of Reggie McKenzie….
What a jaded argument!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
My emotional response regarding the moves made in the past couple days is gone….and I see some of you have found it…albeit a couple days late…
It’s okay though….I’m backstage at a puppet show!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
Priesttj,
I understand your consternation. However, 33 years is long enough for anyone to be at a single job in an organization which has produced a large number of draft busts essentially bringing the Raiders to its knees and probably to the brink of insolvency.
I say it’s time for a clean sweep.
Further, the Raiders haven’t announced that RalMac will become a scout for the organization. And if he does become part of the acquisition team, so what? He played 17 seasons in the NFL and knows what talent is.
AD ran the club in his later and losing years based on nepotism, loyalty, and former playing experience for the club; i.e. Zack Crockett, Art Shell, Rod Woodson, on and on, etc. These were guys with decades of experience and they failed as coaches, staff members and scounts as AD failed in his later dementia riddled years.
BTW, PriestJ, I notice you throw in many sexy pregnant implications that you were once associated with the Raiders org. and/or the NFL, possibly as a player, or member of a staff. Although you imply this, I would like to know for whom you played or worked in the NFL.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 am
priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 am
I just have a feeling there is a coup at work Reggie knowing Mark is vulnerable. And he’s abusing his powers, these are some of the most respected scouts in the business and he’s not even giving them a chance to prove themselves he’s impulsively dismissing them for a bunch guys who haven’t done anything.
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how did he not give them a chance to prove themselves?the guy just went through an entire draft process w/em. clearly was blown away.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
Maybe because we couldn’t afford him due to the salary cap issues and the reality that it’s not hard to find a back up running back. If Bush was such a great talent why didn’t anyone pick him up as a starter? You are like chicken little screaming the sky is falling. The crazy thing is your acting like this was a playoff or championship caliber team that somehow got broken up. Reality check, we haven’t been good in a decade. The coach you bemoan letting go of, went 8 – 8 in a crappy division, made a costly trade, and guided a team that nose dived their way out of the playoffs at the end of the season, including losing the must have last game without much of a fight. I think I’m liking this direction a whole lot better.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 am
Backstage Some of these guys can’t see the forest for teh trees. Their hatred for Mr Davis has blinded them to obvious facts. They talkas though GB has won 5 SB’s in the last decade Brett Farve won one and Rodgers sliced up the league. That isn’t some Dynasty over there. They ahve a great QB cleaning up a lot of stuff over there. Take away that QB and that is an average team. They aren’t biult nearly as well as Balt Pitt and it hasn’t been as sustained.
I hope Reggie calms himself in time to see that soem of these people can actually help him grow. he’s not ready to do all this by himself but his attitude is if he’s going down he’s taking the entire org with him. That’s what I’m seeing.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 am
8-8 with a mash unit son, what the helll will DA ’s record be 6-10 with a healthy team?
Idiot we didn’t bring in Lombardi we brought in a ROOKIE!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 am
Sorry for the name calling man but damn OPEN your freakin eyes. What about this has you so fired other than the fact that Al Davis is GONE!! Wake up!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
I give up! I’m sorry this is way too much way too soon…………..you guys can have it……I’m out!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
Hue was right, they did gut the place! This is obvious nepotism. I smelled a rat as soon as I read the headline.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 am
@40
Take away Rodgers and the Packers are below average…especially now that they lost Flynn to Seattle…but Rodgers is a quality QB, no question about it.
But I’d like to get back to you Priest…don’t let the views here stray you from your opinion….stand tall and listen to their arguments…they have the right to their’s just as you have the right to yours….they are not blind…they just have a different perspective….a different way of looking at the same situation.
Do not let my ramblings regarding Reggie Mackenzie the past couple days fool you….I support the man…but he knows that I am loyal to my version of the truth…just as he is….and am not afraid to share it with him or the blogosphere….
Nobody knows what is in store in the future..all we have is our response and actions in the present…
You will feel better about it tomorrow…you obviously are close to the men who have been let go…everything happens or doesn’t happen for a reason…
Is Reggie the right man for this job….it doesn’t matter…he has the job!
Mark Davis isn’t going to make a change because it would reflect poorly on his decision to hire Reggie….although he may be scratching his head a bit….lol
This is the direction the Raiders are going for the foreseeable future…
I gotta admit though….Reggie has some big balls hiring his twin brother after letting these men go….funny thing is though…..I like what that kind of statement says about him….
Sounds like somebody lit a fire under the big man….wonder who it was?
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 am
hue said mcribzie was going to gut this place and people had the nerve enough to get mad at hue for sayin that.well hue was right. kingdon was good at his job and alot of these scouts that people want out are responsible for the players on the team they like. the best teams only have a handful of really good players. its the difference makers that set teams apart from each other. you can go years without stars but have a few good players and a bunch of mediocre ones. the raiders have a good core but theyve needed good coaching to bring it out. trading bruce campbell is an example of bad coaching killing a career before it starts. making him a guard was dumb. changing positions every year doesnt help anyone. we wont even get to see how he could do in this blocking scheme that probably suits his athletic ability and power very well. people in here are crazy. they hate everything about the team but claim to be fans. if this team wins it will be because of al davis players whether they like it or not. dont even get me started on this pryor vs leinart sh!t.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 am
Priesttj,
You come again with these sexy references pregnant with the implication you know something no one else knows since you have been duly ensconced in the NFL, in some capacity. Please let us know what that capacity was if we are to give you credibility.
Hue “the pimpin magnificient” was duly fired by Reggie. At 8 and 8 he did nothing Cable hadn’t done the year before him. Also the west was horrible during Hue’s reign and Cable’s reign too, giving us a number of non-righteous wins.
Hue admitted lying to the fans and the nation at his final presser when he said he knew we would not make the playoffs after our loss to Buffalo.
Hue, acting as the OC was terrible at play calling last year, and even worse at game management and game management of the players. Our offensive became so one sided, not due to injuries but lack of imagination and talent of Hue.
Hue also lost control of the defense which is inexcusable. If I were a head coach, and the total of our CB core ran with opponent receivers then when the ball came about failed to turn their heads and even stick up a hand, that CB would receive my fist to his face after the game. No genius needed there.
The final nails in Hue’s coffin came during his final presser when he lost control and revealed his true nature of egomanical proportions.
The best Hue can do now, once he is released by the Benglas, is buy a pink cadillac with several girls and pursue his true calling.
Your defense of Hue demonstrates little football knowledge on your part. If you want us to take you seriously Priest quick trying to fool us. Tell us who you are, or were, or hold your peace.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 am
backstageatapuppetshow, #45
good post backstage.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Hardline, what did Hue Jack say following the Buffalo game and where did you come by this information….if you don’t mind my asking?
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 am
Mark Davis probably agreed to let those guys go.Maybe he wanted a change as well.Its not like those guys have been drafting all that great the last 10 years.Our record shows that.I think it was time for a change and ILL make an opinion on his draft hires after next years draft.I will give the guy a chance.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 am
I just dont know. Bringing in more family and friends for the sake of it. Not a fan. Im a fan of Reggie, just not a fan of some of these moves. Our scouting dept was never the problem. It was the guy making the final decision that was the issue before.
On another note,
Glad we got Leinart. But those of you looking to condemn TP if he cant beat out Leinart this year are being too harsh. TP should not be expected to beat out a 6 year vet. TP should be expected to make his own personal progress and that is it. Beating out Leinart is completely unrealistic and unfair to TP. These are the types of unrealistic expectations that ruin the development of a young QB.
Sign Benson. DMAC will go down at some point this year. TJones is nice but we dont know how durable he is yet. And Goodson has fumble-itis as far as we know. Our RB situation has too many question marks and its far too important to our teams season.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 am
Backstage,
Hue said nothing but the usual rhetoric and blather following the Buffalo loss. The statements I referenced above came from his final press conference in regard to the Buffalo loss, which he stated imprinted the knowledge the Raiders were not actually playoff bound, allowing Buffalo a come from behind, shocking win.
If you go back and read a transcript of Hue’s final press conference, you’ll get the words verbatim. I am sure it’s archived here, or just google it and listen.
I watched the final press conference on TV and read the transcript from one of Corky’s articles.
The depth of Hue’s duplicity over the season was truly distressing.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 am
The scary part of this awful decision is that we wont notice the effects for 2-3 years, at which point Reggie may be shown the door. You don’t fire a whole team’s scouting department just so you can hire your brother and your best friend to tell you exactly what you want to hear. If you thought Al Davis was the laughing stock of the league, wait until this story hits the bigger websites. Reggie is now opening himself to more scrutiny. I consider myself a diehard, loyal fan and I wish my predictions were wrong. Unfortunately I don’t think I am.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 am
btw raiderrockhead b!tch, FUGG YOU!! i saw your little dumbazz hue reference towards me when jfb mentioned my name last month. i havent made a comment about you in quite sometime so just be easy. you dont even want to get me started with your azz. askin people for their draft picks like some little snot nose girl askin for valentines in elementary school. soft azz beezie
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 am
Raider Riff, #51
You are probably correct is your assessment.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 am
Armond #54,
He must have really made you mad !
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 am
Backstage,
Sooooo….I am wondering who you are too. You bring up issues in a definitive way.
I am a business person, of moderate success, living in Los Angeles, not far from the beach.
Any btw, I have made it my goal to meet Master Beeecham, aka Beeech Dawg, since the Ritz-Carlton is just 15 mins from my house.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:15 am
I don,t care who we hire as long as we win and can stay winning.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 am
Hot Shot,
True enough!
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 am
I don’t have a good feeling about this. These guy’s are well respected around the league, they have ben loyale soilders for over 30 freakin years and Reggie’s just going to throw them out and bring in his family and friends?
I know he wants to bring in some of his guy’s, but I don’t think he has to do it at the expense of some very well regarded scouts. What gots me really wondering about this whole situation is now its reported he will hire his bro, who has no experience as a scout? I have ben on board with big Reg, but these are some questionable moves.
I hope you know what your doing Reggie
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 am
Realtruraider,
I second that!
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 am
yeah we had such a wonderful scouting dept that produced all these great players since 2002. Wait who are these players we scouted again? None nada zilch. Time for a frickin change. Reggie was head of scouting in GB. I think they produced quite a few good draft picks. Thanks for your service but we no longer need yes men around here.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 am
I have been a fan of the Raiders for 35 years.I just want a winning ball club again.I don,t judge draft picks until I see them play just as well I will not judge the GM until we have the draft next year.Its only the fair thing to do to give him a chance.Sometimes change is hard.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:28 am
Hot Shot,
We’ll see what happens once the season begins.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 am
Alot of teams are even across the board.Its hard to win and stay winning in the league today.Only a few clubs stay winning and its usually the ones who keep the same coaches and the coach GM and owner together.Hopefully thats what the Raiders will start doing.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 am
Who I am is not important.
What is important is that I know about this sport and about human nature. Most importantly, I know myself…
Who is Master Beecham and why are you meeting with him?
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 am
If Al would of kept Gruden all these years our club would of been alot different we would have had a stable winning ball club.All these nobody coaches killed them all these years.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 am
I am not a business person, in debt, not far from the mountains…
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 am
# raiderzmaverick Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Wow, come on. It’s now a family business?
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yeah, maybe things aren’t really changing
don’t know about this nepotism thing. Doesn’t look like Raleigh has scouting experience, but does make sense as a body double. Never knew Raleigh played that long in NFL. I remember him being a very small center for the Redskins. If he could survive at that size in an NFL when the linemen were getting huger by the second he must have some special powers.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 am
Alex7,
We’ve gone through this before on propaganda vs TP. You want to play stats with TP. I’ll challenge you to it. I have already beaten you on this issue before and will gladly do it again.
Your handpicked games
USC 44% 2009 Lost
Wisconsin 38% 2009 Won
Penn St. 47% 2009 Won (272 total yds)
Arkansas 56% 2010 Won (370 total yds)
Iowa 54% 2010 Won (273 total yds)
Wisconsin 50% 2010 Lost
Miami 44% 2010 Won (346 total yds)
Wait so in the worst games of his career (according to your standard) he went 5-2 W/L and over 300yds in 2 of his 5 worst games according to you. On top of that he out produced Cam Newton in 2010 when they both played Arkansas. The only Jim Tressel ever beat an SEC team was with TP. Is that the best you can do with your propaganda? You may want to try new material.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 am
Now if you want to say that TP may not be the brightest dude out there, I’ll agree to that. I’ve seen his tweets and they are not sharp.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:47 am
Ahhh……Master Beeecham purports to be a rap/hip-hop/pop music producer living in the penthouse suite at the Ritz in the Marina, right next to the beach. He is a fixture in the blog, and due to some local politics, was banned, for as Corky said, “crossing the line.”
All the regulars know him and like but none have ever met him. After his recent banishment he resurrected himself as “BeeechDawg”, and continues in the blog.
Actually Beeech never talks football, but instead talks about nonstop-partying and his occupation as a music producer.
Beeech’s banishment caused a lot of drama here recently; it’s breaking breaking news.
Someone confronted Corky over the banishment today, so I hear.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 am
Beecham is some effin loser claiming to be some high flying rich dude. Just ignore him. One day he claims to be producing some magarita machine and the next day a music album. Whatever. That’s the internet for you.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 am
I don’t know anything about Master Beeechum, sounds like a great guy though…
Cork seems very upset with the recent moves of the organization. His tweets have been very emotional.
Many of these writers are having trouble remaining objective regarding the Raiders Organization lately…
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:56 am
How many people here wanted the Raiders to draft Leinart instead of Huff?
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:57 am
Those guys that got fired scouted for Al,s System for all those years.Maybe the new GM wanted new scouts that scout players to fit our coaches system.I think he want,s a staff that all works together and is on the same page cause that,s what builds a good football team.Got to look at it that way.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:58 am
Cork seems very upset with the recent moves of the organization. His tweets have been very emotional.
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These scouts were Cork’s friends as well as providing insider tips to them. Now Cork has to start over. Quite disappointed in Cork.
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:03 am
# priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
Bruce Kebric one the hardest working most loyal Raider scouts ove the last 25 years. These men drafted Marcus Allen suggested Bo Jackson to Mr Davis as well as m,any other players that you know knew and LOVE.
They found Rod Martin
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Priesttj please give us a break. Rod Martin was drafted by the Raiders in the 12th round in 1977 and was a small barely 200 lbs LB out of USC where he was a mini-beast. That’s 35 years ago. How can I guy who came 25 years ago find a guy 10 years before he came. The longest tenured scout dismissed, Kingdon, came 33 years ago, 2 years after Martin was drafted.
You are bogus, Priesttj
Suggested Bo Jackson? Wow, what a revelation. I could have suggested Bo Jackson for the #1 pick in draft after the first time I watched him play on TV when he was a freshman at Auburn, already 222 lbs. And almost anyone who saw him in an earlier game could have made the same suggested — a few minutes after they first set sight on him. I’m quite sure Raleigh McKenzie could have made that suggestion, though I wonder about Reggie Mac hiring his brother who apparently has no scouting experience.
That Marcus Allen was quite a “discovery” too
I’m much more impressed by the scout who discovered George Atkinson. Madden said he looked like a schoolteacher. Now that must have been a real scouting talent who knew he could play. Like a young Al Davis or Ronnie Wolf or someone. The young Al Davis who a 3 years earlier drafted a WR who ran a 4.7-40 with the 15th pick in the AFL draft; a WR who is now in Canton. Not to be confused with the old Al Davis
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:06 am
neilb Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:56 am
How many people here wanted the Raiders to draft Leinart instead of Huff?
==========================================================Was not sold on Leinart.His arm was weak and would not of fit the system at the time.The team was bad then and if the Raiders drafted him I don,t think he would be in the NFL anymore.To much crap happened and hes lucky he didn,t drafted to the Raiders at that time.
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:08 am
Wow Alzado. You nailed his a$$. Good job. Funny too.
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:10 am
Its actually kind of interesting in here today.
What up Nation!
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:12 am
Scouting is such a crap shoot IMO.
Obviously the talent of the player is important, but there are so many other variables involved as to whether or not the player will have success.
I played for 2 different college football programs. Each was completely different.
One program was creative and innovative and I thrived. The other was old school and rule oriented and I had a miserable experience.
Hopefully Coach Allen has a vision for the players on our team…and can teach the game.
So many of these coaches now a days are a product of nepotism and are really unqualified to “teach” the sport.
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:18 am
alzadoX Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:03 am
# priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
Bruce Kebric one the hardest working most loyal Raider scouts ove the last 25 years. These men drafted Marcus Allen suggested Bo Jackson to Mr Davis as well as m,any other players that you know knew and LOVE.
They found Rod Martin
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Priesttj please give us a break. Rod Martin was drafted by the Raiders in the 12th round in 1977 and was a small barely 200 lbs LB out of USC where he was a mini-beast. That’s 35 years ago. How can I guy who came 25 years ago find a guy 10 years before he came. The longest tenured scout dismissed, Kingdon, came 33 years ago, 2 years after Martin was drafted.
You are bogus, Priesttj
Suggested Bo Jackson? Wow, what a revelation. I could have suggested Bo Jackson for the #1 pick in draft after the first time I watched him play on TV when he was a freshman at Auburn, already 222 lbs. And almost anyone who saw him in an earlier game could have made the same suggested — a few minutes after they first set sight on him. I’m quite sure Raleigh McKenzie could have made that suggestion, though I wonder about Reggie Mac hiring his brother who apparently has no scouting experience.
That Marcus Allen was quite a “discovery” too
I’m much more impressed by the scout who discovered George Atkinson. Madden said he looked like a schoolteacher. Now that must have been a real scouting talent who knew he could play. Like a young Al Davis or Ronnie Wolf or someone. The young Al Davis who a 3 years earlier drafted a WR who ran a 4.7-40 with the 15th pick in the AFL draft; a WR who is now in Canton. Not to be confused with the old Al Davis==================================================Its a new era!!These guys picked great 10 to 30 years ago.Time to get a staff thats all on the same page.They are not running Al,s System no more.I would rather have a it where all the coaches know What the others thinking then have Guys drafting guys that don,t Fit the System and pick flops and we had our share of those and you cant blame it all on AL.
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:33 am
I wonder if Reggie knew this move would elicit such a reaction. If he had just waited a bit then he could have added his brother along with a number of other staff members and it wouldn’t have been an issue. Now it seems as if he’s going it alone and handpicking yes men and sycophants.
Oh wait, that would be playing to public perception, which isn’t Reggie’s game. Trust the guy. He’s got a plan and he’s sticking to it. Stick with him through preseason at least.
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:39 am
When Have those draft Guys drafted a great Defensive line guy or LB in the last 10 years.Don,t worry ILL wait.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:03 am
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/5/1/2992270/report-benson-hoping-to-sign-with-raiders
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 am
Hardline and Backsage..
I really enjoyed reading your posts =)
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 am
# aig-raiders Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:08 am
Wow Alzado. You nailed his a$$. Good job. Funny too.
*****
Thanks for the props.
One favor I want to ask of all the Semi’s– can you recommend me to Reggie Mac for a scouting position?
I admit I’m not the greatest scout in the world–I actually was so bad in fact, that when I left San Luis Obispo for big city San Jose, I lost my “big time scouting gig” scouting the small college/Division II sticks for a then unknown (Semi before his time?) guy named Joel Buchsbaum, who back then wrote his own scouting book before later becoming famous doing scouting books for Pro Football Weekly and on radio.
It’s interesting that you call me funny, because that’s the most important thing for a scout to be imo. Buchsbaum was occasionally hilarious before the PFW editors cleaned up his stuff. He actually included a modified version of one of the jokes we made up together over the phone in one of his self published books. His were filled with grammar so bad it would make a Semi blush, and he’d make fun of it in his books with lines like “I know that was an awkward sentence, so all of you English teachers reading in horror, please re-write it”. The guy was pretty irrational when I talked to him at times, but I think all of the editing by PFW drove him crazy, because back in the late 1970s and early 80s he told me he was a weight lifting instructor at a local gym in New York; but he died at like 48 years old nine years ago allegedly emaciated and suffering from a variety of fetishes and stuff. He “paid” me for scouting reports by paying my (quite large because of talking to him too much) phone bills and a few other minor “considerations”.
After going to PFW, Joel started getting too serious, encouraged me to become “more objective” by not being a Raider fan anymore (or a fan of any other NFL or college team), and when I moved to San Jose he said he had “other sources” there (ie. much better sources than me. I met one of them, Jim Cadile, who was coach of semipro San Jose Tigers and a long time NFL player). So obviously i’m not exactly the greatest scout ever, but I think I have more experience than Raleigh McKenzie. If y’all can do a petition for Master Beecham, you can show me a little love, eh?
Plus, given Raleigh’s Redskins connections, I may have an “in”. Raleigh no doubt played with many of the players I scouted! Bobby Beathard, back then the Redskins GM, was a Cal Poly San Luis Obispo alum. He brought several Cal Poly SLO players to the Redskins as UDFAs including LB Mel Kaufman, who was a nickel LB for the Redskins for years including when Raleigh played there, and LeCharles McDaniel, a CB at Cal Poly SLO who was a nickel DB and special teams player for the Skins for a few years and later he coached in the NFL. I remember Buchsbaum went bonkers on me for recommending McDaniel as 12th round pick (no athletic chance to start in NFL but a great special teams and leadership guy and “smart as a coach” because even 12th round picks should have starting potential. Buchsbaum was right, I guess, but I knew McDaniel had a real chance to stick. Some of the other guys I “scouted” were Neil Lomax QB from Portland State, TE’s Doug Cosbie and Brent Jones from Santa Clara (who started as 210 lbs WR as freshman) later of the Cowboys and 49ers, LB Al Smith as a 220 lbs soph for Cal Poly Pomona before they stopped fielding a team and Smith went to Utah or Utah State and was drafted ~#3 and I think made the Pro Bowl with Oilers.
And WR Henry Ellard, who was like a 140 lbs skinny as a rail speedster as a freshman for Fresno State. When he was a frosh, Fresno St. had a bunch of fat 5-11 260 lbs players and Fresno St. routinely got their ass kicked by Cal Poly. By the time Ellard was a Senior, I saw Fresno St. on TV in a bowl game and Ellard was a 1st or 2nd round pick and then all pro.
Nowadays, Fresno St. is big time and one of this blog’s Semi’s Mark’s Hair has his scouts eye on em, so maybe y’all can recommend the bowl cut dude for hire to Reggie Mac too.
And one other thing, Priesttj:
I actually DID SCOUT ROD MARTIN IN COLLEGE.
And I was thrilled the Raiders bagged him in the 12th round in 1977. All of the Raiders 1977 draftees made an NFL team–first time that ever happened as far as I know. One of those draftees (4th round) was fired Raiders scout Mickey Marvin, a stud OG from I believe Reggie Mac’s school, Tennessee.
Please Priesttj, stop bs-ing us. We don’t believe you
# alzadoX Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:03 am
# priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
Bruce Kebric one the hardest working most loyal Raider scouts ove the last 25 years. These men drafted Marcus Allen suggested Bo Jackson to Mr Davis as well as m,any other players that you know knew and LOVE.
They found Rod Martin
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Priesttj please give us a break. Rod Martin was drafted by the Raiders in the 12th round in 1977 and was a small barely 200 lbs LB out of USC where he was a mini-beast. That’s 35 years ago. How can I guy who came 25 years ago find a guy 10 years before he came. The longest tenured scout dismissed, Kingdon, came 33 years ago, 2 years after Martin was drafted.
You are bogus, Priesttj
Suggested Bo Jackson? Wow, what a revelation. I could have suggested Bo Jackson for the #1 pick in draft after the first time I watched him play on TV when he was a freshman at Auburn, already 222 lbs. And almost anyone who saw him in an earlier game could have made the same suggested — a few minutes after they first set sight on him. I’m quite sure Raleigh McKenzie could have made that suggestion, though I wonder about Reggie Mac hiring his brother who apparently has no scouting experience.
That Marcus Allen was quite a “discovery” too
I’m much more impressed by the scout who discovered George Atkinson. Madden said he looked like a schoolteacher. Now that must have been a real scouting talent who knew he could play. Like a young Al Davis or Ronnie Wolf or someone. The young Al Davis who a 3 years earlier drafted a WR who ran a 4.7-40 with the 15th pick in the AFL draft; a WR who is now in Canton. Not to be confused with the old Al Davis
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 am
# Hot Shot Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:39 am
When Have those draft Guys drafted a great Defensive line guy or LB in the last 10 years.Don,t worry ILL wait.
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last good LB Raiders drafted and developed was last MILLENIUM–Eric Barton (1999 or 1998 5th round I think)
we’ve drafted some good DL though including Sho’Nasty in 3rd round when “draft geeks/experts” rated him far lower. So I give them props for Sho’Nasty
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:18 am
You guys seem to forget that our scouts didnt get to make the final call. AD did.
Priest mayhave just got exposed, but I still think his sentiments are valid. We are letting quality people go and replacing them with more than questionable replacements.
You guys do realize that our previous scouting department had to do all their work by hand dont you. AD would not allow computer records of any sort in the scouting department for fear of hacking and counter-intelligence by the other teams. Working for Al was not easy. He wanted everything hand written and hand delivered. He was a mobster. I loved the guy for it but to condemn our previous scouts for largely what was AD’s situation is just not fair.
We’ve had a good draft the past 4-5 seasons. You know why? After the Jamarcuss debacle in which the scouting department and Lane Kiffin begged Davis to go after Calvin Johnson, people had finally had enough and they began to rig the scouting reports. They would write the reports to reflect the speedsters slower than they were and they would write the “football players” to have better measurables so that they would have a better chance at convincing Al who to take. Talk about ballsy. Talk about loyalty to the Raiders. Talk about wanting to turn this ship around.
I’ll say it again, our scouts were not the problem. The guys who stuck around here are still some of the best and most loyal in the business. To tear that up is not wise IMO.
Heck, we lost many a good front office/scout people in the past because they simply got tired of the archaic VHS-type system that Al was stuck on using. But Al always was good at finding new employee talent.
Anyone that stuck around that long with the Raiders should have been kept. Our draft has been good since they started rigging the reports. And prior to that, the advise given to Davis was always sound, he just never listened.
Getting rid of Rod Woodson was a poor move
Getting rid of these two scouts was a poor move
Letting Bush walk without a replacement in hand was a poor move
Letting Lechler go will be another poor move if it happens. Not developing (a willing) TP will be a poor move.
Our draft seemed solid to me. DA seems like a good hire. I love our defensive coordinator (though I would have prefered bringing back Gruden/Trestman and hiring Shaw as our DC)
Im not jumping ship on The Gut yet but Im not ignoring the red flags either.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:26 am
alzadoX Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:51 am
# Hot Shot Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:39 am
When Have those draft Guys drafted a great Defensive line guy or LB in the last 10 years.Don,t worry ILL wait.
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last good LB Raiders drafted and developed was last MILLENIUM–Eric Barton (1999 or 1998 5th round I think)
we’ve drafted some good DL though including Sho’Nasty in 3rd round when “draft geeks/experts” rated him far lower. So I give them props for Sho’Nasty
=======================================================One D lineman in 10 years or more just don,t cut it.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:34 am
who ever was drafting our D fence should have been fired a long time ago.so in 10 years 3 guys total were good draft picks on D.Charles Woodson, Namdi and shownasty and that,s all.That,s just not a good track record to me.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:48 am
Raider Riff = Priesttj
Priest mayhave just got exposed, but I still think his sentiments are valid.
*****
well of course you think what he says is valid, since you are him. Right?
whoevers you are, stop bs ing us and acting like you are a scout and had the ear of the the Raiders scouts and recommended Terrelle Pryor and others to them, suggested draft picks to the Raiders, and all of your other bs because we don’t believe you
If Terrelle Pryor is a good QB, he’ll welcome the competition.
And I hope he kicks the competition’s ass a lot harder than most of the Semi’s on this blog kick yours
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:48 am
Hot Shot,
Have we really needed D-Lineman the last 10 years?
During the Gannon era we had a disruptive D-Line that was built via picking up aging free agents that could still produce.
Our defensive scheme was largely to blame for our issues the past 10 years. If you look at our roster year after year, we had plenty of talent.
Grady Jackson
Trace Armstrong
Derrick Burgess
Ted Washington
Warren Sapp
Delawrence Grant
Gerrard Warren
Desmond Bryant
Richard Seymore
Tommy Kelly
Matt Shaunessy
John Henderson
Lamar Houston
That is pretty much the who’s who of our D-Line the last 10 years. We’ve had some form of combination of those players. If you told any defensive coordinator that they would be operating with those players for the past 10 years, they’d be pretty happy.
Then when you look at our secondary, it was pretty good. It’s our own fault we werent rolling out Charles Woodson and Nnamdi together for more time but even when we had them, we wasted them. We let Lynch sign with Denver and he had a few productive years. We then let Dawkins sign there as well and he was productive.
My point is, we havent had to draft a DLine for the last 10 years. The guys we did draft were good. We’ve had a good D on paper. Its the damn system that AD was stuck on using that prevented us from being as good as we should have been. The “no blitz” policy benefited nobody.
To hold our scouts responsible for the gameday playcalling is ridiculous. They gave us good talent via the draft and free agency. The players have to be put in positions where they can succeed and Im sorry, our bed and breakfast offensive coordinator and our castrated defensive coordinators just made us look worse than we were.
The whole Randy Moss situation is a perfect example of how good we could have been. We literally could have had Randy Moss on one side and Calvin Johnson on the other.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 am
No Im not Priest. Nice try though.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:57 am
Regardless of your opinions of Priest, the fact is, Reggie just let go a couple of loyal and well regarded Raiders and replaced them with his brother.
That isnt really a defensible move on Reggie’s part right now. Time will obviously tell, but nobody should be upset that some of us are a little alarmed by these decisions.
The same people that dont like these recent Gut moves are the same people that thought bringing in Houzmenzadah and letting go of Derek Hagan. It’s a lateral move that is done for the sake of familiarity and not necessarily sound decision making.
Like said earlier, nepotism rarely works.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:57 am
# Raider Riff Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 am
No Im not Priest. Nice try though.
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never saw you post here till Priesttj got exposed and disappeared from blog. Sorry if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe you
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:02 am
What do any of you think about possibly bringing in Dallas Clark or Jeremy Shockey at TE?
I think Shockey might be a likely consideration.
Personally, I like our TE corps, but Reg has been creating competition at all the positions so I wouldnt rule out a vet coming in at some point.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:07 am
No worries Alzado. Doesnt bother me if you dont believe me.
Im a long time reader. I know all the members here. Been following for a long time but never cared to post because of all the drama.
I only started posting recently cause Corky cleaned house a lil bit.
Im here to talk intelligent football. Not talk politics or listen to Beech’s dumb raps or read Sullivan’s dribble. Just football for me.
The board has gotten a LOT better as of late so I thought it would be a good time to post more often. If the vast majority of us are taking this serious, then the attention whores will find somewhere else to ruin. Prior to the clean up, this place was mostly 50% sullivan BS. Lately its been 95% football talk. And intelligent talk at that.
I dont think Im the only one coming out of the woodworks either. Since things have improved here, Im seeing a lot of new faces. Intelligent ones too.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:20 am
Raider Riff Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:48 am
Hot Shot,
Have we really needed D-Lineman the last 10 years?====================================================all old ass guys and a few under achievers still trying to prove them selves.Have any of them stop the run.No and our record shows it.Have you been watching the games or what.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:24 am
Priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 am
I just have a feeling there is a coup at work Reggie knowing Mark is vulnerable. And he’s abusing his powers, these are some of the most respected scouts in the business and he’s not even giving them a chance to prove themselves he’s impulsively dismissing them for a bunch guys who haven’t done anything.
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Shut up Priest. This isn’t anything new. A new guy comes in, he hires his own people. Do you really want to keep the staff who led the team to 8 awful seasons in a row?
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:24 am
Some of those Guys on that list were good but we over paid them and they were past there prime and could not even show up all 4 Quarters cause they were to old.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 am
I dont put our inability to stop the run soley on our DLine. I thought we had a good DLine. And often, we would stop the run for most of the game but it was the BIG PLAY that always killed us.
Yes, I watch the games. But you know what I see, I see LB’s missing their gaps and assignments. I also see a horrible defensive scheme that never played to our strengths.
Better LB play would not have solved our issues. I believe our issues were in the system we employed, not our scouts or our personel.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 am
Albert,
The “staff” that led our team to 8 losing seasons in a row died last fall.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 am
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 am
Green Bay won Super Bowls because that had stone cold studs for QBs…..not because of Reggie McKenzie….
What a jaded argument!
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Let’s see, who drafted Aron Rodgers when other teams like the Raiders passed over him? Who traded for Bret Favre when his career was going nowhere as Atlanta’s backup?
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:30 am
The Guys that played on the line Had 2 jobs stop the run and sack the QB.No matter what coach they had and they could not even stop my 7 year old Daughter from running on them come on dude.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:30 am
On Leinart, now that he’s a Raider, I had to take a look at his career.
Seems like AZ and speficically Ken Whisenhunt gave up on Leinart too soon, after just 17 starts, barely a season worth of snaps:
Leinart started 11 games as a rookie under then-coach Dennis Green including an NFL rookie-record 405 yard game against Minnesota, Arizona was 3-2 in Leinart’s last five starts as a rookie, the following season he started the first 5 games under new Coach Ken Whisenhunt, at that point he was 6-4 as a starter over that 10-game stretch before shoulder surgery.
Then Kurt Warner came in and took over for the next 2 years while playing some of the best football in the NFL.
Warner retired before the 2010 season and Leinart was supposed to take over, but he started having issues with Whisenhunt that ultimately led to his release as AZ chose to go with Derek Anderson.
By the way, Whisenunt’s decision seems pretty bad, Anderson stunk, Max Hall and John Skelton followed and stunk it up some more, then he traded a solid starting CB in Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a second-round pick in 2012 for Kevin Kolb who didn’t look like much last year.
Leinart hit rock-bottom by then and ended up signing with Houston as their 3rd QB.
Leinart seems to have changed his attitude and matured enough to earn the praise of Gary Kubiak:
“Matt Leinart worked hard for a second chance to play quarterback in the NFL, It’s just difficult,” coach Gary Kubiak said.
“He had been to the top of this league from the standpoint of draft status and opportunity (with Arizona). He’d been knocked down in this league. He had been told no. He was making his way back, and you’ve got to respect that as a person and as a player.
He was playing well, and there was no doubt in my mind he was going to do good things with this team.
We all hurt for him. He’s a young man, 28, and we’ll get him healed up, and don’t be surprised to see him come back and get ready to do it again. He’s made of the right stuff.”
That’s after he went down last year.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:30 am
Didn’t Al Davis’ brother work for the team too?
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:32 am
Well said Bob.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:34 am
Now here’s Leinart’s interview when he became the starter after Schaub’s injury:
- On the Head Coach Gary Kubiak way of training quarterbacks and how he thinks that will help him:
“It’s huge. I’ve said it so many times. The coach here is second to none. The quarterback coaching is unbelievable.
I think that is why Matt (Schaub) has been able to be so successful and very efficient for years now. I got a great taste of it this preseason and training camp, just trust what the coaches are telling us and I’ve worked really hard on my footwork and what they preach here to get to that point.
As much as we hate it as quarterbacks, you can definitely tell a difference in practice or a difference in the game when you’re thinking less and you trust where your feet to go with the ball where your feet tell you to go.
They just harp on it, harp on it, harp on it and drill it….It’s great. The teaching here is unbelievable and it’s made me a better quarterback.”
- On if the coaching and teaching in Houston was the reason he stayed with the Texans:
“Yeah, I just think it was the best fit for me. I think it was the best fit and the style of offense that I feel like suits me the best.
I love the coaching staff. I love my quarterbacks coach, (Greg) Knapp, who’s a great, very detailed, great coach and then obviously playing for a coach who’s played the position.”
- On how comfortable he is with the Texans’ boot system:
“Well that’s something that I’ve always been comfortable with. In college, we ran boot all the time as much as we do here and it’s part of the reason why I love this offense so much.
Arizona, we weren’t a big play action and boot pass team at all and here, obviously that’s there. With the way we run the ball so well, that’s a huge part of our offense and that’s something that I really feel comfortable doing and I think the coaches know that just because of my past experience and stuff.”
For what is worth, Leinart went on to complete 10 of 13 passes for 57 yards and a touchdown before leaving with an injury in the 2nd quarter.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 am
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 am
I don’t know anything about Master Beeechum, sounds like a great guy though…
Cork seems very upset with the recent moves of the organization. His tweets have been very emotional.
Many of these writers are having trouble remaining objective regarding the Raiders Organization lately…
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Backstagepuppetshow = Beeecham
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 am
Im very hopeful for Leinart.
Honestly, Im happier about our backup QB situation than I am about our backup RB situation at the moment.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:38 am
I’m not saying Leinart is about to turn into a HOF QB now, but I think the guy has worked hard enough to turn into a dependable back-up.
His health does worry me, he’s had season-ending injuries in 3 seasons already.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:40 am
Grady Jackson decent but old
Trace Armstrong what did he do nada
Derrick Burgess 1 good year
Ted Washington decent but old
Warren Sapp old past his prime
Delawrence Grant mediocre
Gerrard Warren sucked
Desmond Bryant what did he do
Richard Seymore old past prime
Tommy Kelly what he do nada
Matt Shaunessy good
John Henderson old past prime
Lamar Housto still waiting on him so hes still done nada.Not a good list dude.Bunch nobodys and old past their prime players.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 am
BLOOD…PURGE….
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:43 am
Now that the Bulls appear to be finished, I have to pull for the Celtics to knock off Miami.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:44 am
As far as Reggie hiring Raleigh, we still don’t know what his role will be, nobody said he will be an actual scout, he’s got no experience there so maybe his job entails oher duties, administrative stuff or something like that.
Clinkscales, if hired, is a scout, he’d be the one likely to replace Kingdon.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 am
Reggie could use Raleigh as his double:
http://www.imageofsport.com/image/thumb/250-250/18830903.jpg
I bet if Al Davis had a twin, he would of taken advantage of the situation for some devious reasons.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 am
Good Morning Nation! So if Raleigh joins Reggie…will teh org be able to tell them apart? Or, will they have to wear name tags? Just asking…
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 am
I think Cork might be Priest.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 am
Cork sounds like a guy whose drinking were fired.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 am
*drinking buddies were fired
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 am
Hot Shot, your evaluation of those players is laughable.
Grady was drafted in 97. Was with us til 2001. How was he old exactly?
Sapp had 11 sacks for us one year didnt he?
Gerrard Warren really sucked for New England didnt he. Judging Warren on his play here is like judging Moss on his play here.
Seymour has been good. We’ve wasted his talents. They said C Woodson was past his prime when we let him go too. How did that work out?
The fact is, we’ve had talent that any D coordinator would love to work with, IF they were allowed to run their own system and didnt have to run AD’s no-blitz scheme.
You brought up our D-Line as justification for why our scouts should have been fired. I just showed you why our DLine isnt even relevant to the topic.
Al Davis made the final call on the picks, and he forced his defense on to the coordinators. Why is it that you ignore that blatant fact?
Our picks got drastically better once our scouts started lying to AD in their reports. What does that tell you?
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
It’s been almost 30 years since the Raiders won a Super Bowl. I’m not impressed by a scout who has been there for 33 years.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:57 am
raiderrockhead b!tch, FUGG YOU!! i saw your little dumbazz hue reference towards me when jfb mentioned my name last month. i havent made a comment about you in quite sometime so just be easy. you dont even want to get me started with your azz. askin people for their draft picks like some little snot nose girl askin for valentines in elementary school. soft azz beezie
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LOL @ Armond!!
surprised you’re still alive. glad to see you haven’t changed
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 am
I give up with Albert and Hot Shot. They just conviently love to ignore the fact that our scouts were working in impossible conditions and our D coordinators had it just as bad.
The only D coordinator that has no excuse is Chuck Breshnehan.
Our best D coordinator was Shaw and he got let go after one year because he blitzed too much. Our D was stellar that year though. Go figure.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 am
Wow each of those players had 1 or 2 good seasons.yeah the coaches sucked but none of those guys did all that great for out team.It shows we did not draft well and had to settle for old players who only had a season or two left in them.They have drafted a lot of Guys who never did nothing alot of wasted draft picks.That,s Why im glad they are starting fresh.Its just that time to do so.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 am
As far as Reggie hiring Raleigh, we still don’t know what his role will be, nobody said he will be an actual scout, he’s got no experience there so maybe his job entails oher duties, administrative stuff or something like that.
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@Marley
“Included among the scouting staff makeover for the Raiders will be the addition of Raleigh McKenzie, the twin brother of general manager Reggie McKenzie.” – Jerry Mac
Sounds to me like he’s a part of the new scouting staff. Does the scouting staff have other positions available besides SCOUT ??
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 am
Baggin on Cork? All U arm chair Generals think U know better than a guy who’s actually THERE in the facility and actually talking to the actual people.
Going out on a limb to say Cork might actually know a lil more than the rest of us…
Ditching 64 yrs of scouting experience for a special ed teacher decades removed from football seems like a questionable move to me too…
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 am
HWNRDR,1 WILL WEAR VERTICAL STRIPES AND 1 WILL WEAR HORIZONAL STRIPES.JUST GOT TO REMEMBER WITCH IS WITCH..
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 am
The only D coordinator that has no excuse is Chuck Breshnehan
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oh gosh, Riff. Really??
We could argue about this all day like Pryor yesterday.
Unfortunately I’ve got work to do.
month end close for this hillbilly beancounter. I should have got more done yesterday, truth be told.
I wish you would have joined the blog sooner. I feel like I’ve repeated the same points about Pryor & Bresnahan 1,000 times since the end of last season!!
BBL, gents
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 am
POST-129,A WRITER WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE /HER IS TAKING ABOUT OR IS WRONG,THAT WOULD BE A 1ST..
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 am
130.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 am
HWNRDR,1 WILL WEAR VERTICAL STRIPES AND 1 WILL WEAR HORIZONAL STRIPES.JUST GOT TO REMEMBER WITCH IS WITCH..
Now we just gotta figure out which one has which stripes! LOL
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 am
WITCH IS WITCH..
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should be which is which
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 am
Those guys scouted for Al for 30 plus years for Al,s system.Maybe their going to hire scouts for the new system and get Different Type of players now.Out with the old and in with the new.Total overhaul was long over due.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:22 am
Every team makes mistakes, just take a look at some of these failed early draft picks from GB since Reggie was there:
1st Round : OT John Michaels, CB Antuan Edwards,DE Jamaal Reynolds, CB Ahmad Carroll, DT Justin Harrell.
2nd Round: WR Derrick Mayes, DB Fred Vinson , WR Robert Ferguson, WR Terrence Murphy, RB Brandon Jackson, QB Brian Brohm, CB Pat Lee, DE Mike Neal.
3rd Round: DE Jonathan Brown, DT Steve Warren, DB Bawoh Jue, LB Torrance Marshall, DB Marques Anderson, DB Joey Thomas, DT Donnell Washington, P B.J. Sander, LB Abdul Hodge, DB Aaron Rouse.
That’s 23 out of 49 total picks in Rounds 1-2-3 that didn’t pan out for GB from 1996 to 2010, that’s close to 50%.
But GB has done well in mid-late rounds making up for some of these failed picks.
I’m sure the Raiders haven’t been better, but we have also found some good players in rounds 4-7, just goes to show you the Draft is unpredictable, even if Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson and Reggie McKenzie run it.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:23 am
After observing Cork on this blog and his tweets and live chats, I have come to the conclusion that he doesn’t really know sh*t more than any of us.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 am
Rockstar.
LOL, I guess you’re right but let’s hear it from Reggie first.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 am
Raiders Draft History
2011
2. Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
3a. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami
3b. Joseph Barksdale, T, LSU
4a. Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State
4b. Taiwan Jones, RB, Eastern Washington
5. Denarius Moore, WR, Tennessee
6. Richard Gordon, TE Miami
7. David Ausberry, WR, USC
2010
1. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
2. Lamarr Houston, DT, Texas
3. Jared Veldheer, T, Hillsdale
4a. Bruce Campbell, T, Maryland
4b. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
5. Walter McFadden, CB, Auburn
6. Travis Goethel, LB, Arizona State
7a. Jeremy Ware, CB, Michigan State
7b. Stevie Brown, S, Michigan
2009
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
2. Mike Mitchell, S, Ohio University
3. Matt Shaughnessy, DE Wisconsin
4a. Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
4b. Slade Norris, LB, Oregon State
6a. Stryker Sulak, DE, Missouri
6b. Brandon Myers, TE, Iowa
2008
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
4a. Tyvon Branch, DB, Connecticut
4b. Arman Shields, WR, Richmond
6. Trevor Scott, DE, Buffalo
7. Chaz Schilens, WR, San Diego State
2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2. Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State
3a. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
3b. Mario Henderson, OL, Florida State
3c. Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP
4a. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
4b. John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
5a. Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
5b. Eric Frampton, S, Washington State
6. Oren O’Neal, FB, Arkansas State
7. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech
2006
1. Michael Huff, S, Texas
2. Thomas Howard, LB, Texas-El Paso
3. Paul McQuistan, OL, Weber State
4. Darnell Bing, S, USC
6. Kevin Boothe, OL, Cornell
7a. Chris Morris, C, Michigan State
7b. Kevin McMahan, WR, Maine
2005
1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska
2. Stanford Routt, CB, Houston
3a. Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona State
3b. Kirk Morrison, LB, San Diego State
6a. Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
6b. Ryan Riddle, LB, California
6c. Pete McMahon, OT, Iowa
2004
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
2. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech
3. Stuart Schweigert, S, Purdue
4. Carlos Francis, WR, Texas Tech
5. Johnnie Morant, WR, Syracuse
6a. Shawn Johnson, DE, Delaware
6b. Cody Spencer, LB, North Texas
7a. Courtney Anderson, TE, San Jose State
2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado
2. Teyo Johnson, TE, Stanford
3a. Sam Williams, DE, Fresno State
3b. Justin Fargas, RB, USC
4. Shurron Pierson, LB, South Florida
5. Doug Gabriel, WR, Central Florida
6. Dustin Rykert, T, BYU
7a. Sideeq Shabazz, S, New Mexico State
7b. Ryan Hoag, WR Gustavus Adolphus
2002
1a. Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami, Fla.
1b. Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern
2a. Langston Walker, OL, California
2b. Doug Jolley, TE, BYU
5. Kenyon Coleman, DE, UCLA
6a. Keyon Nash, DB, Albany State (Ga.)
6b. Larry Ned, RB, San Diego State
7. Ronald Curry, QB, North Carolina
2001
1. Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State
2. Marques Tuiasosopo, QB Washington
3. DeLawrence Grant, DE, Oregon State
5. Raymond Perryman, S, Northern Arizona
6. Chris Cooper, DE, Nebraska-Omaha
7a. Derek Combs, RB, Ohio State
7b. Ken-Yon Rambo, WR, Ohio State
2000
1. Sebastian Janikowski, K, Florida State
2. Jerry Porter, WR, West Virginia
4. Junior Ioane, DT, Arizona State
5. Shane Lechler, P, Texas A&M
7a. Mondriel Fulcher, TE, Miami (Fla.)
7b. Cliffton Black, DB, S.W. Texas Stat
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:29 am
Hot Shot.
Do the numbers, I have to go, but I did say the Raiders didn’t fare better so don’t get all riled up.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:32 am
Priest,
Is it possible your love for Al Davis is clouding your judgment on what The Reggime is doing?
Letting Bush walk was the first sign???? Twinkle toes was not that damn special mayne. I know he was UR favorite player and all, but that just makes YOUR takes seems personal. The Reggime is getting rid of YOUR people, so ur upset.
Got to move forward ole vet!
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:34 am
Not Riled a bit just seeing what the draft looked like since 2000 I was curious.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 am
Armond,
Wassup mutha…….
Where you been mayne?
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 am
Seems like we never kept our draft picks very long.What happened to half these guys.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 am
A year ago, we were in the lockout. And Hue Jackson was slowly getting addicted with his power trip. And everyone thought that was a good thing, to have a centralized source of power. He was building a bully, and Al was letting him do it his way, (at least on offense). That all ramped up to an ego-trip disaster and we saw Hue’s dark side emerge.
Reggie doesn’t seem like the megolomaniac that Hue was. He’s soft spoken, articulate. Seems to be committed to accountability and a long term plan. But the wholesale firing of long time scouts and bringing in his high school bro is like the old bed and breakfast regime. Too much authority too soon is bad. Mark Davis needs to do a second check of Reggie’s decisions. No one should have that much power to hire unqualified coaches who would not have a lottery’s chance of an interview for the position except for blood ties.
I hope – check that – we all hope that Reggie is right, but this whole thing smells fishy. Where’s the vetting process to get the most qualified people in? Why does Reggie want nothing but “yes” men, he can’t and won’t fire? Where is the accountability in decisions based on nepotism? And what message does that send to long-time hard working grunts in the organization?
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 am
The Kansas City Star reports that tight end Dallas Clark and safety O.J. Atogwe visited the Chiefs on Tuesday. – PFT
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 am
Dallas Clark is washed up. Dungver would have jumped on him if he had even a gallon of gas left in his tank.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 am
GOOD DAY ROCKSTAR.HOW’S THE FAMILY?
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:46 am
If I was in Reggie,s shoes and I had a chance to start fresh and wanted to hire someone.I would of hired My brother too if he played 10 years in the NFL and had 2 Superbowl rings.Guy has to start some where.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:47 am
A year ago, we were in the lockout. And Hue Jackson was slowly getting addicted with his power trip. And everyone thought that was a good thing, to have a centralized source of power. He was building a bully, and Al was letting him do it his way, (at least on offense). That all ramped up to an ego-trip disaster and we saw Hue’s dark side emerge.
Reggie doesn’t seem like the megolomaniac that Hue was. He’s soft spoken, articulate. Seems to be committed to accountability and a long term plan.
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G123 = one of my favorite semi pro’s!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 am
Guest123 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 am
I hope – check that – we all hope that Reggie is right, but this whole thing smells fishy. Where’s the vetting process to get the most qualified people in? Why does Reggie want nothing but “yes” men, he can’t and won’t fire? Where is the accountability in decisions based on nepotism? And what message does that send to long-time hard working grunts in the organization?
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I’m a little confused as to why you think there’s no “vetting” going on. I’m sure Reggie knows what he’s doing.
Remember that he walked into one of the most pathetic franchises in the NFL, front office-wise (right down there with Cincinnati, Dallas and Washington). Reggie’s modernizing everything and cleaning house. What he’s doing is similar to what Parcells did in New England a decade 1/2 ago, or what Ron Wolf did in Green Bay in the early 90s.
We’ll be fine.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:50 am
GOOD DAY ROCKSTAR.HOW’S THE FAMILY?
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hey there Dirt Lot, doing well
just celebrated my 29th bday on Sunday. My dad moved back to California on Saturday, after 2 years in Podunk. Oroville area (JFB knows it well)
I’m probably one of the younger dudes on the blog, but certaily not the MOST immature
hows your family ??
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:50 am
RRS,
thanks, are you at concerned with the new Reggime going too far too fast with the changes? I’m sure he had them planned from day one of taking the job, but I was hoping he would take care in evaluating personnel and allow them a chance to interview for their jobs. He could have at least offered them a Glengary GlenRoss type deal where the 2nd place guy gets a new set of steak knives. GeeZ!
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 am
priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
You guys just don’t get it Kent Mccloughan is one of the most repected scouts in the game. I worked right beside this man for about 4 years
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After the second sentence, I lost a lot of respect for him, lol.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
Hot Shot, thanx for posting that list.
I first read the rumors of the scouts lying on their reports for the 2007 draft. From that draft on, our picks look pretty damn good. Find me another team that drafted significantly better? Proving, our scouts were good, AD was the problem.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
Oroville……Yikes!!!
A few nice area’s by the Lake, but all in all I would rather live in Podunk.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
WOW 2007 draft there is not one person on the team left from that draft.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 am
ALL IS WELL ROCKSTAR.ALL IS WELL.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 am
I’m a little confused as to why you think there’s no “vetting” going on. I’m sure Reggie knows what he’s doing.
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I don’t want to overreact because we still don’t know what ‘position’ Raleigh McK is going to have within the coaching staff. He has to give up his teaching job in VA and maybe move to California. Maybe he wanted a change anyway and this was an excuse to switch careers? I know the area in VA, and I’d move to California too if given the chance.
But by ‘vetting’, who were the qualified candidates that didn’t get on Reggie’s short list for Raleigh’s job? Or is there even a short list? That’s what I meant.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 am
Seemed like Priest and a few others were already making excuses for TP last night. WCO isn’t suited for him, change of coaches, blah blah blah.
Look, HE HAS to beat out Matt Leinart for the #2 job. Leinart is the bottom of the barrel NFL backup. If we didn’t sign him, there was probably a 25-50% chance he wouldn’t even been on a team this year.
If a guy has any chance to be a good NFL starting QB, they could outshine Leinart easily. I think Cam Newton and Andrew Luck could have beat out Leinart when they were 19 years old.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 am
Sorry, I miss read your list. I meant the ‘08 one. It was the draft after we passed on Calvin Johnson.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 am
Oroville……Yikes!!!
A few nice area’s by the Lake, but all in all I would rather live in Podunk.
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Exactly, JFB
but thats where my aunt (his sister) lives. my uncle (his brother) isn’t far from there either.
Gives me another excuse to visit Cali, I guess and of course attend a Raider game!!
no plans for that yet, but would like to meet a few of you dudes (Hwnrdr, Dirt Lot, ROG, etc)
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
In my eyes, Pryor is bigger, stronger, faster, and with more arm strength than Leinart. Can’t make a call on accuracy without seeing some passes first.
So, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Leinart should perform better. True Leinart was in the system last year, but Knapp wasn’t the OC, and Pryor actually got Knapp’s Raiders playbook about two weeks before Leinart.
It shouldn’t even be close to a competition.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 am
WOW 2007 draft there is not one person on the team left from that draft.
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It was still a decent draft getting M. Bush and Z. Miller. A lot of wasted picks, including the pick that set back the franchise 3 years at #1 overall.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 am
Hell, even before ‘08 I dont think we drafted that poorly when looking over that list. A lot of wasted talent there IMO.
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 am
Drafts Were average and some busts.Lots of those players are not even in the NFL anymore.There were people they could of drafted that were better though.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 am
I do like the 2011 draft class though that was a good 1.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 am
are you at concerned with the new Reggime going too far too fast with the changes?
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@G123
Let’s just say i’m concerned, but not overly concerned. Does that make any sense? the guy coming over from the Jets is Reggie’s buddy – yes, but he’s certainly qualified for a job in Oakland. His brother is a former player and high school coach. I would argue that he’s probably more qualified than the former Raider players Al Davis gave jobs to. Most of whom did not have experience coaching at any level or have the decorated career that Raleigh did. If twin bro is replacing somebody like Calvin Branch or Zack Crockett, I don’t see how anybody could question that move…
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
Nepotism. This move sux period. This is bad bad bad. And it speaks volumes about where things stand. If you look at it. Couldnt get an established coach – got a rookie. Got a rookie OR LESS defensive coord. And we got the knapster! Now let’s get a high school coach to scout em up. Yeah. He can scout em up from you tube clips yup. Freakin Tom Walsh 2.0.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
JFB,
Where does being bigger, faster, or more arm strength ever equate to being a better QB.
It’s all about footwork, football IQ, work ethic, and accuracy. Leinart has TP covered in those areas for the most part.
In 2-3 seasons, TP should easily have Leinart covered but to expect it this early in his career is too steep of expectations. TP has a lot of work to do to already be a better all around QB than a 6 year vet.
Measurables dont mean much when it comes to MLB’s and QB’s. We as Raider fans should know that by now.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
THE ‘03′ AND ‘04′ DRAFTS ARE THE DRAFTS THAT WERE WASTED IN MY OPINION..WITH 4 #1′S AND 3 #2′S COMBINED,THIS TEAM SHOULD HAVE BEEN STACK’D FOR YEARS..
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 am
RRS, Im with you on post 168. Im simply in the “concerned” group right now. Some questionable moves. That’s all.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 am
168 like that post!!!!I agree.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 am
162.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 am
Oroville……Yikes!!!
A few nice area’s by the Lake, but all in all I would rather live in Podunk.
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Exactly, JFB
but thats where my aunt (his sister) lives. my uncle (his brother) isn’t far from there either.
Gives me another excuse to visit Cali, I guess and of course attend a Raider game!!
no plans for that yet, but would like to meet a few of you dudes (Hwnrdr, Dirt Lot, ROG, etc)
if you ever do make it out here for a game…give us a call!
I had a friend who lived in Oroville…hated the drive up there only because Hwy 99 sucks when it goes into the small towns. Had fun in Chico, though! However, 3 hr drives aren’t for me anymore…
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 am
Regarding this Leinart vs Pryor debate.
I think it’s silly to choose sides. They are both Raiders now. Both are going to contribute in their own way. Leinart isn’t as bad as some think. He was and maybe still is an immature primadonna college prospect that didn’t pan out. Now he’s humbled, cheap and no where to go but up. He’s got tremendous motivation to improve to meet his draft potential. I am rooting for him to do just that. His 6 years in the league and experience with Knapp is exactly what this team needs right now. Maybe not what we need next year, but he’s a nice rental until Pryor is ready.
And QB2/QB3 semantics don’t matter. If CP3 goes down for the year, the season is toast. We just need the QB2/3 to be able to step in for a 2 or 3 games and play decent enough for us to tread water if CP gets nicked up a little bit. The whole ball of wax rides on CP3 anyway.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:07 am
Riff,
So should we expect the Skins to wait 2-3 years for RGIII to catch up to GRossman’s foot work and knowledge of the Shanarat system?
I do see your point, when talking about quality QB’s. But Leinart is not quality, so while his footwork and football IQ may be up to snuff, the guy is a statue, injury-prone, with a noodle-arm, and afraid of contact.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 am
If twin bro is replacing somebody like Calvin Branch or Zack Crockett, I don’t see how anybody could question that move…
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@RRS,
I would. It was Calving Branch who was responsible for talking AD into draftin D. Moore.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 am
Leinhart, last year reminded me of when tui got his opportunity to start…I felt bad for him when he went down. However, after looking at what TJ Yates did last year…not so sure that Leinhart would have been better. As you said, Guest, he’s a nice little rental, but a strong part of me wants to see Pryor beat all of our expectations and take the #2 from him!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 am
I am pretty sure that if Pryor doesn’t beat out Leinart by the end of camp, the organization will be very disappointed.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 am
MarcusAllen Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
Nepotism. This move sux period. This is bad bad bad. And it speaks volumes about where things stand. If you look at it. Couldnt get an established coach – got a rookie. Got a rookie OR LESS defensive coord. And we got the knapster! Now let’s get a high school coach to scout em up. Yeah. He can scout em up from you tube clips yup. Freakin Tom Walsh 2.0.
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No, Al couldn’t get an established coach (who was worth a darn) the two decades of his life. Reggie got a hot up-and-comer who came in second to Jeff Fisher for the Rams job. Jason Tarver is also known as an up-and-coming coordinator. Al couldn’t have gotten EITHER of these guys, because neither would agree to play that 1970s defense he forced on everyone.
Reggie’s building this team the right way. Relax.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 am
Calvin Branch…lol, love the guy! He belongs in the Hall, no doubt…I remember 2 years ago he was hitting on my friends daughter who was on the eve of her 21st birthday 2 years ago at the Raider Image on Hegenberger. My friend, she was pissed, but i told her, hey…at least your daughter got your looks! LOL…I got slapped, but a laugh out of her after that!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 am
I agree with post 171 too and I would add 2007 to that list too.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 am
@178, Hwnrdr
I too certainly want Pryor to beat him out of QB2 status, but I want him to be allowed to grow into the position, learn the footwork, timing, playcalls, audibles, schemes, etc. He’s got aways to go, but if we are patient, the sky is the limit for Pryor.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
183.guest123 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 am
@178, Hwnrdr
I too certainly want Pryor to beat him out of QB2 status, but I want him to be allowed to grow into the position, learn the footwork, timing, playcalls, audibles, schemes, etc. He’s got aways to go, but if we are patient, the sky is the limit for Pryor.
Agreed! But dam, wouldn’t it be nice for it to be this year! i guess what I’m hinting at is that he was Al’s last pick! I would love for him to be a star for the Raiders! He has time, I just hope the RegMaster sees it that way also!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
I am pretty sure that if Pryor doesn’t beat out Leinart by the end of camp, the organization will be very disappointed.
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I think he’s going to get more time than that. Maybe an entire season to beat out Leinart. Either way, Leinart is a one year deal.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 am
You guys act like the #2 QB has to perform some flawless footwork and timing and all that.
He is the backup!!! He just needs to be a better option in a pinch on Sundays. It is the same “grooming” if he is the #2 or #3, so I don’t see how being the #3 QB provides for any more “grooming”.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 am
Mark being taken advantage of? Mark knew what he was getting when he hired Reggie. Remember when he said he wanted to bring in his guy? That just didn’t mean the HC. Everyone is on notice and Mark is well aware of that. It’s Reggie’s team now.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 am
It was Calvin Branch who was responsible for talking AD into draftin D. Moore.
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@G123, I understand that..but who is to say one of Reggie’s scouts wouldn’t have done the same?
btw, Calvin wanted us to take DMoore early. Davis didn’t. He was still on the board late & Grandpa Davis said why not?
If one of those 31 other teams snagged Moore before we did, or Kingdon doesn’t give CB all the props, nobody even knows Branch is a part of the scouting dept. just my opinion.
I’m not too fired up about this topic, either way. Lots of teams employ their sons, brothers, cousins, etc
We have big Wiz & little Wiz. problem? I don’t think so
Mike & Kyle Shanny. Marty & Brian Schotty. Kevin Gilbride’s son is working for the G-Men. Ron Wolf’s son working for Green Bay. Jim & John Fassel. the list goes on & on. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rex & Rob Ryan working together some day either. Didn’t we just draft Jeff Hostetler’s nephew or something?? Would anybody care if the Hoss was added as QB Coach or quality control next season? not me
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
An entire season to beat out Matt Leinart?
Does everyone get a “Participant” trophy as well?
Fck that, Leinart is not good, this is the NFL, the big-boy league. You don’t get redshirts here.
If you need a year to beat out Leinart, you stink. I think Yates would have beat out and taken Leinart’s job away soon enough, and he performed better when he was in than Leinart did, and he only needed about half a year.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Post 175. Great post.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 am
You guys act like the #2 QB has to perform some flawless footwork and timing and all that.
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Don’t think anyone expects flawless footwork from a #2 QB. Just need a QB that can come off the bench in the late first quarter when the starter goes down and still be able to execute PAP throws downfield and keep the defense guessing enough to have an effective ground game.
Kyle freaking Boller is exhibit A of someone who should never have had a QB2 position. It’s a position that requires competence over brilliance.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 am
Joey Clinkscale ain’t coming and now we got Raleigh. I don’t care how you spin it. ABSOLUTELY MORE QUALIFIED SCOUTS SHOULD OF BEEN SLOTTED. Al never wanted established coaches and that era is over. Was hoping for better this time around is all but no freaking way his brother is better than what’s on the market.
Yeah yeah he played some ball. A very long time ago…
Here is to hoping I am proved wrong.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 am
JFB, if Pryor is ready to beat out Lienart, then he is technically ready to start games. And you know that isnt the case so lets lower the expectations on the kid.
In response to your post about RG3, yes, I think people should be very patient with the kid. It’s going to take 2-3 seasons to see if he is worth continuing development, and I think a total of 4-6 before he will be a bonified “A” level QB (if his potential can reach that).
Problem is, how many coaches have 4-6 year contracts? None of them do. They get 4 year deals and often dont make it past the 3rd season if things arent going well. So then a new guy is brought in, maybe even a new GM, and then the system is completely uprooted just as a young QB was beginning to get a grasp on things. So at year 4 he’s basically starting over again and within another year or two, a new GM is definitely brought in if they werent already brought in before and they convince ownership that they need “their own guy” and so the process starts all over.
A lot of talented players get wasted due to impatience in this league. Turnover is never good for young players. And if youre unable to develop your young talent, you end up with 11 straight losing seasons.
C’mon people, we should all know this by now. Instability kills and measurables dont mean squat.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 am
Unfortunately, many Semi’s on here had drawn their own line in the sand on Gradkowski, so there was about an 85% approval rating for Boller over Bruce last offseason in here.
I got teamed up on in that debate. People told me about how strong Boller’s arm was, how much more experience he had, his experience with Hue, etc, etc.
When I brought up that in Boller’s last 7 starts, he was 0-7 with something like 12 TD’s to 25 turnovers, people told me I was overreacting.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 am
I agree with the argument that if you need an entire year to beat out a M. Leinart, you do stink. If that’s the case, you have to start to doubt if you will ever make it as a pro if that happens.
Personally, I’d like to think Pryor makes it a good competition in TC and beats out Leinart. Thats’ best case. But realistically, I’d settle for him taking over QB2 duties around week 8. Promise nothing to Leinart and that includes the pecking order. It will keep him motivated and non-complacent. His skill set is weak, and his future as an NFL journeyman QB rides on his performance here. If he sucks, it could be his last chance in the NFL. He knows future paychecks are riding on this chance.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
Agreed with G123 on the picking sides.
Before they signed with the SnB, I hated the thought of Pryor AND Lienart as QBs for my team.
Now that they are on the squad, I’m pulling for both to ball!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 am
@G123 & JFB
we seem to be in agreement on Pryor
I think he offers more upside & potential than Leinart, a first round bust “system fit” coming off of I.R. that nobody else wanted in free agency we just signed for 1-year at the vet minimum
I’m not rooting for Leinart to fail, but thats his track record in the NFL for 6 seasons. Pryor has no track record in the NFL.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 am
Boller should have been left on the couch! The thing that bugged me was really? Trent Edwards was worse than Boller?
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 am
Problem is, how many coaches have 4-6 year contracts? None of them do. They get 4 year deals and often dont make it past the 3rd season if things arent going well.
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It’s the same with players.
I don’t think it is total impatience, it is impatience with those not keeping up.
The league has more turnover than ever before, and the game is better, and the QB play is waaaay better than ever before. You got rookies like Dalton and Yates going to the playoffs and winning playoff games, Cam setting records, Ponder throwing for 410+ yards in a game, etc. Ryan went 11-5 his rookie year, with a 85+ QBR, Stafford was banged up for a few years than threw for a zillion yards and took the Lions to the playoffs. All done BEFORE their rookie contract was up.
Players get 4 year deals when drafted, and they have to perform before it runs out. Just the way it is, because if you don’t perform in that amount of time, SOMEONE WILL.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 am
4-6 years before RG3 becomes an A level QB????
Lower expectations for Pryor???
I think the OCs of these kids teams could tailor an offense around their specific skill-sets that could have them performing at a high-level much sooner.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 am
Boller should have been left on the couch! The thing that bugged me was really? Trent Edwards was worse than Boller?
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@Hwnrdr
why did Hue Jackson want Kyle Boller as #2 QB, then trade for a guy when Campbell went down?
Jason Campbell wasn’t an All-Star QB even when he was healthy and he’s never been an iron man avoiding injuries either. Hue Jackson benched JC for Grads 2 or 3 times in 2010, then fails to get a decent backup QB for him in 2011. Strange, huh? If Hue knew that Boller sucked, why not get rid of him? or why re-sign him in the first place? Boller was a system fit that couldn’t play football when called upon. Matt Leinart is the same thing imo. Those 13 pass attempts in 2 years under Knapp in Houston don’t prove otherwise imo
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
No teams lining up for Lienart. He better b paid minimum wage and the cash used elsewhere. If he was ever going to do anything in the nfl it would have shown by now. Not going to happen.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 am
I can’t wait for preseason so you guys can get off of who can and who can not be groomed! Pryor has NFL pedigree has a cousin that was decent at QB! look it up! one good sack and that twice broken collar bone is history! We will soon see!I know youneed three QB’s now so maybe that’s the thought!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:43 am
FWIW, Matt Leinart did have 10 of 13 (76.9%) for 57 yards and a TD in his one game coming off the bench before getting injured last year. He showed more than Kyle Boller has in ages.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 am
MarcusAllen Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
No teams lining up for Lienart. He better b paid minimum wage and the cash used elsewhere. If he was ever going to do anything in the nfl it would have shown by now. Not going to happen.
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I have no doubt Leinart is getting no more than the veteran minimum, with maybe a few incentive clauses thrown in.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 am
People have floated the idea that Leinart “played well” while he played last year.
He had 5 drives, 3 three and out’s, a TD drive where Foster got all the yards, and he did cap a whopping 26 yard drive, with a nice pass to the TE for a TD.
Also note, in Leinart’s last 8 starts, he has somehow managed to parlay that into 3 season-ending injuries, lol.
He is worse than Gradkowski with this injury thing!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 am
I am a big Pryor fan.
Anyway, just looking at the depth chart…
Palmer-Leinart-Pryor-Bomar
Palmer and Leinart are certs, in Reggie/Dennis’ eyes. And Pyror and Bomar are going to compete for the #3 position. There’s a good chance they could cut Pryor, a chance he doesn’t make the roster.
They wont hand Pryor the #3 position without competition. That’s the message they’re sending. Not sure if they’ll strictly follow thru with it, because Pryor has far bigger upside than Bomar even if Bomar ‘beats’ out Pryor for the #3, I don’t think they’ll cut Pryor.
Also, as Al’s last pick, I think/hope Reggie will at least honor that bridge from Al to him by giving him his 3 years to learn/challenge.
I was okay with the Bush, Wimbley, etc non-re-signings. I was okay with Seymour being re-signed. I am okay even with the possibility of King replacing Lechler. I would be upset tho if Reggie/Dennis didn’t at least give Pryor a fair chance beyond a release after this season’s training camp even if Bomar showed a bit more. Pryor is very young still and has the potential to be anything.
Obviously, all that matters is the Raiders winning, and Reggie/Dennis continuing to emphasize accountability and running a culture/program that they’ve talked about.
And there’s a chance Pyror goofs too much or doesn’t elevate to the standards required, a chance he flames out at other teams if he got a chance there. But ever since we drafted Pryor, I’ve been very eager to follow him as a Raider, to see him play QB and forge a career here. My fingers are crossed.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 am
Matt Leinart isn’t the answer, unless you’re asking a very narrow question about the Raiders.
As in: Who’s the most credible backup quarterback candidate, Leinart, Kyle Boller (last season’s debacle) or Terrelle Pryor?
The sensible choice is Leinart, for any number of reasons, and the Raiders sensibly signed him Tuesday, presumably to be the No. 2 behind Carson Palmer.
Leinart played in Houston under new Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, he’s 28, and he has won some games in the NFL (8-10 as a starter).
Of course, Leinart has lost a lot of NFL games and been hurt a lot, too — that’s why the 2005 Heisman winner is already on his third team.
-Tim Kawakami
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 am
If Hue knew that Boller sucked, why not get rid of him? or why re-sign him in the first place? Boller was a system fit that couldn’t play football when called upon.
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This is a really good question. Hue in his arrogance NEGLECTED the backup QB position. It bit him in the a$$ hard. We should have kept Grads around, but Campbell’s fragile ego couldn’t stand it.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
As one of the nation’s top college football recruits, Leinart committed to USC under coach Paul Hackett, noting that a major factor was offensive coordinator Hue Jackson
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sort of funny, reading this!!
both former Raider OC’s (now fired)
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Barry Zito and Matt Leinart are bang bros. The link? Alysa Milano.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 am
What I’m also hinting at is the remorse at Al passing away and therefore NOT seeing the progression under Al of Pryor on scholarship.
It’s a bit of a conundrum for most Raider Nation imo. We’re divided….where we miss Al, the way he did things, the way he continued to make “typical” Raider picks etc, held together a Raider ‘family’ etc, but at the same ecstatic to finally have a new legit GM running a program of accountability, modernizing the defense, focusing on defense, bringing in high-character players, getting rid of the BS in the org. But at the same time, a little scared/worried/angry with all the things Reggie might do or has done that are tearing away Al’s legacy or traditions, etc.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 am
Anyone else see that Bryce Harper throw last night?
Man, I don’t think people realize the level of talent this kid is. He is a Lebron James type, once-in-a-generation talent for his sport.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
Can we at least agree that Leinart is better than Sorgi?
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
Leinart turns 29 in like 9 days. He’s just a hair younger than me. I’m not going to assume that his best days are behind him, since he really didn’t have any good days, LOL
If Reggie is going after basketball players, why not Brynn Cameron instead of Matt Leinart ??
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Al’s legacy is firmy entrenched as one of the greatest ever, and no matter what The Reggie does, will not hurt or damage that.
So let’s let Al’s legacy be just that, his legacy, and allow The Reggie to build his own legacy, his own way, with his own style.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 am
212.ottocrat Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Barry Zito and Matt Leinart are bang bros. The link? Alysa Milano.
Not a bad link if you ask me!
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 am
#217…indeed, but from a selfish pov, I do want to see Pryor on scholarship in the depth chart. What I mean is, no matter what he at least gets the #3 thru his contract tenure, gets given this years camp, and all season reps to improve, dedicated coaching, and another year’s camp etc. Before giving up on him. And during 2012 and 2013, putting him in the game often enough, giving him mop up time etc. No matter if Bomar this July ends up looking better than Pryor.
I just wish for that.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
Meanwhile the Bucs signed Eric LeGrand (the paralyzed Rutgers lineman).
I’m not a Tampa Bay fan at all, but this was pretty cool, IMHO.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/bucs-announce-signing-of-paralyzed-former-rutgers-player-eric-legrand/
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Wow, Tj in Mountain View, aka Priest, hes really upset. In case you cant figure out why, its now clear hes no longer welcome to hang around fetching coffee and runnin to the store, McDons, Taco Bell, wherever,…all hes upset about is how this new regime affects him, not the team itself. Old man Kell, as well as mamas boy MR, are probably right about that the team has been so bad for years that you cant critisize these firings. Even if the team has been good moreless the new boss would for sure clean house. Priest is a selfish old man that now cant just stroll around HQ in Alameda. No more free tix either. I think what Mark and Reggie are doing is great. Perfect. I bought a custom McKenzie jersey that I will wear in my row 1 seats all this season. That being said, Old man Kell and MR are both very disturbed men, one in his 60`s and the other in his 40`s, both have lost all touch with reality and live in a world full of bitterness and jealousy. No amount of counseling will save them. Take care now.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 am
GG,
With all due respect, why would you want that? If a guy isn’t getting it done, we need to find someone who can.
Not saying Pryor can’t do it, but if we are 2013 training camp, and he is still battling it out with the Jim Sorgi, Rhett Bomar, Matt Leinart’s of the world, than you are what you are. Those would be his peers.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:58 am
I’m very anxious to see if the Raiders are able to stuff the run with many of the same players on defense under new coaches Allen & Tarver.
Also, waiting on the Raiders to confirm the signing of all these undrafted kids!!
not going to bother with research on them until then
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 am
#222….just because he’s a ’special’ talent, and still so young. 22. Sometimes it might take a few years before they ‘get it’. Just look at Leinart or other rookies goofing around or slacking off early due to immaturity before they wisen up. The Rhett Bomars and Leinarts are a type of QB, Pryor offers a Newton-RGIII-Ponder-Locker type of potential, that’s like a new trend in the modern NFL where those QBs can succeed more than in the past.
Like I said, “at least” on scholarship for his 3 year contract. Also because #3’s are always on scholarship. That’s the job criteria of a #3, to be on scholarship and be developed over 2-3 years.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 am
Im sure Reg tried to get a 5th or a 6th for Pryor last weekend and couldnt get it done,..Pryor gone before he gets a key to the Marriott this July.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 am
Newton-RGIII-Ponder-Locker type of potential,
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If he has that type of potential, not saying he does or doesn’t, than it should show right away.
Newton looked good, about 10 plays into his career. Ponder threw for 400 yards before his 6th start. Locker had over 100QBR in his spot play last year.
I want to see it. Can we at least manhandle the second halves of preseason games, against future Practice squaders and AFL players?
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 am
say Bomar is a touch ahead of Pryor after camp. Just a touch. Not being so strict on this competition at the #3 over minor deficiencies at that point.
The upside of a Bomar as a #3 for a couple years is not much really — like a Trent Edwards. Whereas Pryor’s upside is huge if he does end up getting it, the coaching sinks in. Worth holding on to.
I mean, there are SOME positions where a player can be on scholarship – the #3 QB. So, better that’s Pryor than Bomar given the upside potential.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 am
#3’s are always on scholarship
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@ GG
I don’t like the term “scholarship”. I think those all terminated when Al Davis passed away.
Terrelle Pryor wouldn’t be a huge cap hit and he wasn’t drafted by Reggie. If he’s not one of the Top 3 QB’s in camp & preseason I think he’s in jeopardy. He’s gonna have to fight for a spot on the 53 like everybody else. Reggie might think he’s a long term project not worth developing. or perhaps place him on the practice squad. We don’t know yet. I don’t think it’s #2QB or bust for Pryor in 2012, like some other guys are suggesting. He’ll stick if Reggie sees some talent and potential in him. If not? Cut bait and move on to the next guy.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 am
Anyway, you’re right JFB, and we’ve all stressed it and are eagerly waiting for it before we judge — seeing Pryor in pre-season because until then we have no idea really.
Just hope in pre-season we actually do see Pryor and Bomar given a whole half of action. Remember in the past, how the #3 and #4 were given barely a few snaps to just kneel and hand-off in the past. The Brennans etc.
We will see Palmer taking bulk reps in pre-season 2 and 3. We will see Leinart probably play the whole preseason 1. But hopefully they give Pryor and Bomar a half each in week 4. But also a few series in weeks 1, 2, 3 against opposition playing their 1st and 2nd teams, not the rubbish players soon to be cut as they do in week 4.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 am
I want to see it. Can we at least manhandle the second halves of preseason games, against future Practice squaders and AFL players?
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I’d like to see it as well. And if he can’t we all have to re-evaluate our opinion of Pryor’s future as a QB and as a member of this franchise. I think the cards are stacked against and patience will be thin.
Reggie seems to be wanting to divorce himself from all things Al Davis, wouldn’t surprise to see TP as a last minute cut if he doesn’t dominate in the 2nd half of preseason games. If Leinart nails down the QB2 slot going into the reg season, Pryor’s days may be done before we get to see his potential.
There will be a ton of pressure on Pryor this year.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:17 am
Upside gets coaches and GM’s fired
We need production
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 am
Priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
You guys just don’t get it Kent Mccloughan is one of the most repected scouts in the game. I worked right beside this man for about 4 years. His son David is a freaking genius when it comes to DB’s he could educate Deion Sanders on a few things. David McCloghan and Scott McCloughan biult the 49er team that you saw last year. He is now doing the sma ein Seattle. David McC is one the great scouts who I would ask questions about DB’s what to look for.
Bruce Kebric one the hardest working most loyal Raider scouts ove the last 25 years. These men drafted Marcus Allen suggested Bo Jackson to Mr Davis as well as m,any other players that you know knew and LOVE. What the hell has Reggie done alreayd to deserve to bring in his brother who has done a damn thing in any org. in his LIFE??
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Wasn’t Priest giving praise to Reggie after the Draft?
Wasn’t he calling out bloggers for bashing Raggie and his picks?
Or was it someone else?
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 am
If Colt McCoy is somehow released, I’d cut Leinart for him. He’s got a noodle arm, but that affected him more in that cold climate. But he’s got the football IQ to be a good reserve QB.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
Dude….the best the forum has ever been! Nice work y’all.
How can some one learn and practice doing something for 33 years and then have to change it up. More, how would he not harbor some resentment when thingsstart to change from what he has been secure with. This may not have been an all Reggie thing. The fact is we don’t
Know the details of his dismissal but I think it is safe to say by the firing and not letting go, there was some s that went down. If that is thoe case, Reggie had to let him go to promote and maintain his authority.
Regardless. It’s Reggie’s team now. He gets to make the decision, and like the draft, we’ll see how this turns out in a couple of years.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
#228…i’m not sure, but i dont think Pryor can be put on practice squad. There’s some rule about who is eligible for that. Someone will know, or find the rule on google. But you do make a good point about it’s not necessarily #2 or bust for Pyror, that Reggie may keep him around if he thinks it’s worth persevering with him.
Like i said before, Pryor is my only selfish wish right now. At least to see him in some meaningful live game action, a whole qtr, half. To at least assess myself, judge whether really does continue to be one of my potential favorite Raiders or not.
There are others already now too…like Criner, Burris, Stupar, McGee, King, and Carrier.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 am
I wonder how Leinart feels about the vast difference in the money he makes and how much Palmer makes.
Both guys highly touted. Both top 10 1st rd. draft picks. Both Heisman winners.
Leinart probably making less than 1/12th of what Palmer brings in.
Well, that’s what happens when you don’t “bring it” when u have the opportunity.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 am
For the same reason, this might also get ugly with players who at e used to being in charge through the preseason.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 am
As far as Reggie’s first draft goes,
I’m ready to bury the hatchet. I was outspoken in my angst of the woulda-coulda-shouda’s and criticism of Reggie. But Reggie is far more knowledgeable than the typical fan, and we don’t get paid to do the type on in-depth analysis and probing of the available talent that is out there on draft day. I just needed to vent and I got that out of my system now.
I’m 100% behind all the S&B draft picks and hope they push the incumbents and maybe have a few surprise cuts in TC.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 am
I think that all these guys knew that they would potentially be released, I mean The Reggie said so to the press so I am sure he told them.
If they didn’t like it, and had some inner resentment, they would have just walked away before the draft, and started working on finding their next gig.
I believe our GM told them this would probably happen, but asked them if they would stay on for this last draft, and it seems they all did.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
@236,
I think a better way to look at is, Leinart now makes at least 10X more than he would make playing in the UFL. That’s got to be his mindset.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 am
Upside gets coaches and GM’s fired
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@JFB
better hope Denarius Moore isn’t the next Jerry Porter then!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 am
Raider Guy Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 am
For the same reason, this might also get ugly with players who are used to being in charge through the preseason.
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Good. Some of them need a kick in their backsides, and need to learn that being Al’s pet is now worth exactly dick.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 am
Upside gets coaches and GM’s fired
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@JFB
better hope Denarius Moore isn’t the next Jerry Porter then!!
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No, Moore doesn’t think he’s a star without actually having done anything.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 am
#240,
Yeah, for Leinarts sake he should.
It’s interesting that NFL players have such a short window to of opportunity.
The “big name” guys that get a big 1st contract can coast for awhile if they fail…living off that first big windfall(Jamarcus), but guys like Caleb Hanie for instance get that one shot and if they fail…they’re done. They never do get that 1st big contract.
Look at Matt Flynn. He has ONE BIG GAME and locks himself up with a big contract. If he had thrown for 120 yds. instead of 447 (or whatever it was) he’s probably still sitting on the bench this coming season and may never get another shot.
If Pryor doesn’t do really well in camp and the preseason, you wonder if he’ll ever get a real shot.
The pressure is on.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 am
Why are You People worried about Leinart? I like competition, TP is a winner, and he will win the backup QB position.
Print that!
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 am
Reggie hired his brother?! I don’t like the last 2 moves by Reggie.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Guys
Pryor has tremendous potential. There are perhaps three positions that you may keep a player on the squad even if they are not up to par yet. QB, CB and WR. Sometimes these positions in particular take time to develop. Pryor is a lock to make the team. If we exposed him to waivers to put him on the Practice squad another team would take him. He was projected as a 3rd rounder in this draft. He will not end up on the practice squad.
Yesterday some may think I was critical of Pryor or something – I am not. I think he will need two preseason to develop. If he develops in one – I will be surprised and happy. If he never develops I will be disappointed. However Reggie has had patience with developing QBs before and will have it here.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 am
RaiderO
It depends in what role. If he is an east coast scout OK if he is director of College scouting – not ok.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
DJ Johnny Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 am
I wonder how Leinart feels about the vast difference in the money he makes and how much Palmer makes.
Both guys highly touted. Both top 10 1st rd. draft picks. Both Heisman winners.
Leinart probably making less than 1/12th of what Palmer brings in.
Well, that’s what happens when you don’t “bring it” when u have the opportunity.
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Both were very good college Q’s. Carson Palmer is a very good Pro Q. Leinert is not. That’s the difference.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
245.Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 am
Why are You People worried about Leinart? I like competition, TP is a winner, and he will win the backup QB position.
Print that!
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I hope Raiders give him the chance to get out there and show what he can do.
He’s got all the intangibles and the measurables.
6′6 240(?)…great speed, nifty running ability, big arm.
Can’t wait for preseason to see this guy play in the NFL.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 am
# priesttj Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
I give up! I’m sorry this is way too much way too soon…………..you guys can have it……I’m out!!
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It’s called change and it’s a good thing. What is this incredible Raider legacy you’re so worried about protecting?
Ten years of being the laughing stock of the league?
Ten years on the coaching carousel?
Ten years of overpaid diva players?
Ten years of bad draft choices?
If MacKenzie “guts the place” it’s because it needed to be gutted.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 am
Good points oldschoolraider. Reg obviously has the right to do what the heck he wants. What we were doing has not been working. Time for a fresh prospective.
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Oh man not Bruce Kebric. That is one of my insiders that listens to me. I talked him into drafting TP with a 2012 3rnd pick. O boy, first John Kingdon now Bruce Kerbic. Not good, the Raiders are now doomed forever. At least I still have the Ball boy and the Plumbers ear. Man I miss chatting with Al Davis. I can remember so many late nights with Coach.
On night after watching tape of a unsung OT from Bowling Green, Coach Al got a weird call from his Secratary, she said some kid keeped calling damanding to talk to John Kingdon whining about some run first QB named Vince Young and how great he will be for our team. He said VY will be a 10 time All Pro, and HOF for sure.
Who am I?
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Giants signed McNeese State safety Janzen Jackson (undrafted)
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am
Ravens sign Ma’ake Kemoeatu
I wanted this guy last offseason, but I think he was injured!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
The Bears announced Wednesday morning that they have already agreed to terms with their second-round pick Alshon Jeffrey
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I think Reggie will have his draft picks signed before Tyvon Branch or Marcel Reece
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Buenos dias/ buenas tardes mi hermanos.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Four Saints suspended, Vilma for all of 2012
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 2, 2012, 11:57 AM EDT
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has lowered the hammer on four New Orleans Saints players who were involved in the team’s bounty scandal, with Jonathan Vilma leading the way and getting one of the most significant suspensions in NFL history.
Vilma has been banished for all of 2012, effective immediately and through the Super Bowl, for his role in the bounty scandal. Vilma reportedly put $10,000 cash on the table in the team’s meeting room and said the cash would go to anyone who could knock Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game.
Anthony Hargrove, who also reportedly targeted Favre in the NFC Championship Game, was given an eight-game suspension. Will Smith was suspended four games.
Browns linebacker Scott Fujita is no longer in New Orleans, but he was given a three-game suspension for his role in the bounty program when he played for the team.
“It is the obligation of everyone, including the players on the field, to ensure that rules designed to promote player safety, fair play, and the integrity of the game are adhered to and effectively and consistently enforced,” Goodell said in the league’s statement. “Respect for the men that play the game starts with the way players conduct themselves with each other on the field.”
Goodell has said he believes players were not just participants at the behest of former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, but were actively encouraging and celebrating the bounties. The NFL Players’ Association has signaled that it does not agree with Goodell’s assessment. Any disciplined players will have the right to appeal.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Scott Fujita suspended three games, Anthony Hargrove suspended eight games, Will Smith suspended four games, Jonathan Vilma suspended 1year.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Change is a good thing?! Based on what?! Chargers thought change was a good thing too, fired MS and hired Norv. Great change?!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 am
Clayton reporting Leinart deal is for 3 million this year.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Lol twin brother, shameless.. Id have done it to..
Well we’re movin on up. Tooo the eeeast side, to a delux apartmet in the skyyyy.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Clayton reporting Leinart deal is for 3 million this year
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hope you’re joking, ABP!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Amy is dope!
Oakland Raiders CEO Amy Trask joined The Rise Guys and says the Raiders are focused on remaining in Oakland, and she talks about the amazing thing they are doing for the Oakland Unified School District.
http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5826747
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Good for Goodell.
10K to knock a player out is flat-out tax evasion, breaking the salary cap rules, and morally incomprehensible.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 am
Go A’s!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 am
No suspension for Portet?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Amy is creating public Goodwill, so (A) she can build a stadium here, and doing all she can to help public sentiment if funding needs to be voter-approved and (B) making it seem like they love the Oakland community, so in case they move to LA, they can still have a rich fan-base still in Oakland.
Building political capital is always a good thing, when factoring in the need for building a new stadium.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am
260.Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Change is a good thing?! Based on what?! Chargers thought change was a good thing too, fired MS and hired Norv. Great change?!
O, I think that was mainly because Marty and Aj Smith bumped heads alot!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am
So does this ruling mean the end of the punishments? Is DA now in the clear?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
What’s up DMAC? A’s, man…I wish they would be more consistant, but, I’ll take what i can get out of them!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 am
270.guest123 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 am
So does this ruling mean the end of the punishments? Is DA now in the clear?
good Question!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
SUSPEND PORTET !!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
What’s up DMAC? A’s, man…I wish they would be more consistant, but, I’ll take what i can get out of them!
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Yeah, but they been playing pretty well as of late. Pitching has been outstanding as usual. Billy Beane might of listened to me and signed Brandon Inge to play 3rd base. (not spectacular, but better than what we had)
Now its time to dump Barton sorry ass and play Kila K. permanently at 1st base.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Dennis Allen = innocent or whistle blower
now that former Saints DT’s Franklin & Rogers were not punished by the league, I propose we go after them!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
When people write Print That! are they talking to their keyboards?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
SUSPEND PORTET !!!!
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Fk you Portet!!
Can’t wait to you bite on D-Moe’s double move and get burnt, you punk b!tch.
lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Dennis Allen = innocent or whistle blower
now that former Saints DT’s Franklin & Rogers were not punished by the league, I propose we go after them!!
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Those dudes still available?
I’ll take Rodgers.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 am
DMAC…True, True and TRUE!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Clayton reporting Leinart deal is for 3 million this year
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hope you’re joking, ABP!!
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I am.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 am
Didn’t Rogers sign with another team?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t think Leinart gat any more than the min.
w? possible incinitives.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Who told me the butt nuggets were gonna sweep the Lakers? They havent even taken a 1 point lead through 2 games..
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
283.Marks hair Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Who told me the butt nuggets were gonna sweep the Lakers? They havent even taken a 1 point lead through 2 games..
LOL…I heard well known hater Rockstar ask how many points are the Nuggets gonna win by tonight…
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Like I said……..
Get ready for that Thunder-Heat Finals showdown.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Bring back Zack Crockett to run the ball on third and one.
He was amazing.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
I think Rodgers is already signed. But Franklin would be a nice swoop and sign on today’s news. He can be had for vet min.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
Hwnrdr,
You are right, but the point is that change is not always good. lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
286.Kirk Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Bring back Zack Crockett to run the ball on third and one.
He was amazing.
Zach is still with the org…maybe he can go to TC and teach all running backs how to do what he did!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am
I have mixed feelings about this move, and if Reggie hires his college roommate or whatever, from the Jets, that is even more concerning.
However, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe Reggie thinks Klink is more qualified that the past scouts who were here, or maybe Reggie knows that it would be difficult to change the previous scouts’ thinking after being subjugated by Al Davis for 30+ years?
Plus, at least Reggie’s brother is a former player…..what experience did Chris Polian have when his daddy hired him? These things happen, but at least bro has NFL experience….and we don’t even know what role he will play….he might take over Herrera’s role, who knows?
So, part of me is concerned, but most of me says what did these scouts do for us in the past 30+ years? Either they contributed to all the poor drafts we have had over the years, or they failed to convince Al Davis to avoid some of the crap he has drafted over the years….either way, they failed, and Reggie had a few months to watch them work, and he was not impressed.
Moving on and getting some new, fresh ideas in the organization is not a bad thing considering that we have not won a SB in more than a quarter century.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am
288.Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
Hwnrdr,
You are right, but the point is that change is not always good. lol
Agreed, specially since they went 14-2 that year and then fired Marty and hired Norvell!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 am
ODB,
I told you we should have signed Portet!
Portet!!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
you guys are right.
the Giants signed Shaun Rogers 5 days ago (sorry)
Aubrayo Franklin visited the Falcons, but remains unsigned !!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Barton is such a hack defensively.
He lost that game on Sunday against the O’s, by completely whiffing on both of those scoop attempts.
Your average 1st sacker makes at least one of those plays, and doesn’t let either go by him.
He completely whiffed on both. It was beyond awful.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
lol.. whats up there O ??
time for a lunch time re-up !!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
I’m gonna say this…Not gonna be concerned this year! Reggie was strapped in what he could do based on years past. The next couple years I will evaluate him! I believe he only has a 3 year window to right this ship!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
The Heat got soo lucky. Chi had their number..
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
I heard well known hater Rockstar ask how many points are the Nuggets gonna win by tonight
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@hwnrdr
nobody even responded to that!!
haha, my Laker hater comments often fall on deaf ears
oh well. I admitted to Dakota I couldn’t name 3 players on the Nuggets and was surprised they even made the playoffs
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
294.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Barton is such a hack defensively.
He lost that game on Sunday against the O’s, by completely whiffing on both of those scoop attempts.
Your average 1st sacker makes at least one of those plays, and doesn’t let either go by him.
He completely whiffed on both. It was beyond awful.
UGGGHH!!! Don’t remind me, JFB!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
I envisioned us going w/ more of a 4-3 base. Franklin was a non factor in that 4-3 w/ the Saints. He might be best suited as the NT in a 3-4, like when he has success in SF.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Barton is such a hack defensively
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Eric Barton?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Hwnrdr,
I hate reading that phrase. Change is good!! Why? Based on what? Did we need change at the GM position? Yes. Should we change every position? No! Firing people with 20+ years of exp to hire your brother who is a HS coach is not a good change IMO.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
298.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
I heard well known hater Rockstar ask how many points are the Nuggets gonna win by tonight
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@hwnrdr
nobody even responded to that!!
haha, my Laker hater comments often fall on deaf ears
oh well. I admitted to Dakota I couldn’t name 3 players on the Nuggets and was surprised they even made the playoffs
LOL, Its all good!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 am
As far as these bounties, you always get the few guys who yell put a skirt on them, big hits are part of the game, etc, etc.
So my tester question to those is always, think of game your team won, and off the top of your head, can you remember a big hit in that game? Not often, but you can always remember 4 or 5 big passing plays, or other more graceful plays.
Like with us. When I say Denver opening night, we think of Darren’s TD run, DHB’s clutch catches, Seabass’s record kick. Anyone think of a big hit?
I say Houston game, we think of the last pick by Huff, some great YAC plays from DHB and Chaz. Any big hits?
The notion that big hits are a big part of the game, is just false bravado, IMO. Nobody remembers 98% of them.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Now that the Bulls are toast, I don’t care who wins as long it isn’t Miami. Those hoople headed cock suckers can burn in hell.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Barton is such a hack defensively.
He lost that game on Sunday against the O’s, by completely whiffing on both of those scoop attempts.
Your average 1st sacker makes at least one of those plays, and doesn’t let either go by him.
He completely whiffed on both. It was beyond awful.
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Dude is garbage. I don’t know wtf they see in this guy. They keep giving him a shot every year and he doesn’t do schit. 2-3 HR all season long for a 1st basement is unacceptable.
Kila should be playing 1st base everyday.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
302.Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Hwnrdr,
I hate reading that phrase. Change is good!! Why? Based on what? Did we need change at the GM position? Yes. Should we change every position? No! Firing people with 20+ years of exp to hire your brother who is a HS coach is not a good change IMO.
Well, like a few posted on here earlier…let’s see what position he will take on. Maybe he stays in the East and scout players from that part of the country!
I agree with your statement, just waiting and seeing!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
They should have left Colon in the game as well.
He gives up an infield dribbler and they yank him.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Barton is such a hack defensively
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Eric Barton?
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Baseball talk
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Mike,
Enjoy your lunch and your dessert. lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
I got the Extra innings package on Direct TV, and am consuming an almost unhealthy amount of hardball right now, lol.
Watched Gio Gonzalez pitch Sunday. Dude is lights out.
Unbelievable to me that the A’s traded him, when he was due barely over 3 million this year.
But yet, Beane is cool with tossing 10 million or whatever at Ben Sheets. SMH
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
The Gio trade hurt me the most, but at least Beane didn’t get raped in his recent trades. He actually got a few good players back this time around.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
I really enjoy great pitching nowadays.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Its a thing of beauty.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
GO CLIPPERS!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Denvers actually realy good. One of the few teams bigger than the lakers. But they dont have a goto guy. Kobe’s as cold as ice.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
311.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
I got the Extra innings package on Direct TV, and am consuming an almost unhealthy amount of hardball right now, lol.
Watched Gio Gonzalez pitch Sunday. Dude is lights out.
Unbelievable to me that the A’s traded him, when he was due barely over 3 million this year.
But yet, Beane is cool with tossing 10 million or whatever at Ben Sheets. SMH
That pi**ed me off! But Beane and Wolf wants to take the team out of Oakland… :@
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Mike,
Enjoy your lunch and your dessert. lol
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dessert first… makes lunch much better !!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Still a Dubs fan for life, but go Thunder!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
The Kansas City Star reports the Chiefs hosted free agent Dallas Clark on Tuesday.
It’s Clark’s first visit since his March 9 release from the Colts. Both NFL.com’s Albert Breer and Yahoo’s Jason Cole have reported the buzz around the league is that Clark is “done” after getting lit up as a blocker and struggling with drops last season. The Chiefs probably won’t offer more than a minimum deal. Kansas City is also just two months removed from giving Kevin Boss $9 million. Tony Moeaki’s ACL recovery is believed to be on schedule.
Source: Kansas City Star
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
ODB,
I like to have dessert before and after my meals.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
The min. for Clark. Haven’t seen this dude play in a min. Is he done? Or would you guys take him at the vet min.?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
302.Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Hwnrdr,
I hate reading that phrase. Change is good!! Why? Based on what? Did we need change at the GM position? Yes. Should we change every position? No! Firing people with 20+ years of exp to hire your brother who is a HS coach is not a good change IMO.
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Leaving people in place just because they have been there forever? Really? Wouldn’t you rather keep people in place if they have proven to be productive over the years? This scouting crew hasn’t shown to be great. If they had, then we wouldn’t be sitting around dusting nearly 30 years of dust off of our last trophy. Had we been a perennial playoff challenger, or been more consistent over the past decade, I could see having a problem with Reggie walking in and cleaning house, but that simply is not the case.
And besides, a lot of the scouts have not been here that long, and had little to no experience in scouting before they were hired. Branch and Crockett? Come on now. If Raleigh play many years in the NFL he is just as qualifies as those guys to become a scout….if that is what he is hired to do.
Sometimes, when you clean house, you have got to throw out some old nicknacks that have been around a long time, but make your place look antiquated. Time in job should not be the deciding factor….production should be.
Some of those long term guys you are worried about losing have been around when we drafted a safety who didn’t want to play for us (bates), a mormon who refused to play on Sundays, a one-eyed RB, Slowlando, Jamarcus, DHB, Gallery, Stu, Washington, Buchanon in front of Ed Reed!, a dude with epileptic seizures, Mike the Youtube Sensation, and the list goes on….
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
lol lol .. i hear ya O , breakfast and dinner Hell ya.
but it only lunch and i have to work after !!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
Bringing in the twin brother? I understand he needed a hand, being a HS teacher and all… Is this an example of cronyism?…how do you fire your twin brother when he is not giving the results?
Not sure what to make of the move…first mistake by R.Mac…
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
322. stick a fork in him
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Okay, I give up…I can’t type today.
Laters
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
Didn’t Al keep Herrera around for like 30 years, because he liked his dad?
At least Raleigh played 15+ years in the league and won some Super Bowls.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Dakota Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Okay, I give up…I can’t type today.
Laters
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Looks like you haven’t been the same since you cut off your mullet.
lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
We’ve had too many pizz poor drafts and free agent classes under that guy.. Get out. Get out a here!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Speaking of mormons who don’t want to play one Sunday, do we know for sure that this Bergstrom is willing to for us? Bergstrom sounds like a jewish name, but he’s a mormon, eh. What a strange mix.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Good thing there is two Wild Cards this year in baseball.
I don’t think the A’s or Giants are going to catch the Rangers or Dodgers.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Really?
Did not know that.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Emmitt Smith played 15 years and won some Super Bowls…
I’d not want him to be a scout.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Guest123 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Speaking of mormons who don’t want to play one Sunday, do we know for sure that this Bergstrom is willing to for us? Bergstrom sounds like a jewish name, but he’s a mormon, eh. What a strange mix.
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Of course he’s willing to play. He came to the f*cking Raider headquarters and gave interviews you ignorant cock sucker.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
I didnt say he was hired.as head scout. He might be head chef.. Stay calm for a sec..
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Dakota,
Who picked the players? Was it Al or the scouts?
Branch and ZC? I was talking about a well respected scout with over 30 years of experience!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
It didnt say.. Not i
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Tony Bergstrom
Q: Where and for how long were you in the Sacramento area?
A: I was there for two years, mostly in the South Sac area and then down in Stockton area
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209, baby!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Emmitt Smith played 15 years and won some Super Bowls…
I’d not want him to be a scout.
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Just saying, that there probably is similar hires like this around the league with family, just that with other GM’s, there brother didn’t play for 15 years.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
This move by Reggie doesn’t surprise me a bit. It happens all the time in the work field. It’s not what you know, but who you know.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
Southwick & Tonga played a heavy role in recruiting Tony Bergstrom!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
@339,
209 represent!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
Southwick & Tonga played a heavy role in recruiting Tony Bergstrom!!
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How exactly would one “recruit” a draft pick???
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
DMAC Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
This move by Reggie doesn’t surprise me a bit. It happens all the time in the work field. It’s not what you know, but who you know.
$$$$$$$$$$$
And that’s why we have so many incompetent monkeys!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
How exactly would one “recruit” a draft pick???
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wrong word, Duck. slap me
they planted a bug in Reggie’s ear
better??
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Al and our scouts were great at finding elite athleticism and size for our players.
But we struggled being able to get into these guys’ heads and see if they loved the game and would give it their all in the NFL.
Maybe this Raleigh dude can help with that, being a HS teacher and all.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Any semi’s in here w/ O-line experience?
Is there a hard transitions from switching sides playing Guard?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Dmac, I used to play LG at a junior college.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Luke McCown and Kevin O’Connell to work out for Oakland on Friday.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
Interesting to see the NFL suspends only 4 of the 22-27 players under investigation. Two of those (Fujita – Cleveland and Hargrove-Green Bay) are now on other teams.
So the other 18-23 players can now breathe a sigh of relief? And so can our own new HC Dennis Allen? It’d be nice to think so anyway. This New Orleans soap opera has to end sometime.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
I honestly would like to see Bergstrom play some RT before we just move him inside.
Not saying I know more than The Reggie and his staff because I OBVIOUSLY don’t, but RT is a huge hole for us, going on years now.
A RT would be more valuable than a guard, IMO.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Dmac, I used to play LG at a junior college.
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Would it be tough to switch to RG?
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
I honestly would like to see Bergstrom play some RT before we just move him inside.
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co-signed, JFB
Carlisle will be fine at LG. Barnes sucks!
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Hopefully Barks steps his game up and takes over that RT spot.
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Why recruit more camp arms? Is Bomar seriously that bad?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
350.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Luke McCown and Kevin O’Connell to work out for Oakland on Friday.
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WHY?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
@354,
I’m rooting for Barks to win the RT job outright over POS Barnes.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
nepotism reggie?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am
I agree, hopefully Barksdale puts Barnes on the bench.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Luke McCown and Kevin O’Connell to work out for Oakland on Friday.
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Quit clownin’. There’s nothing like that in Schefter’s Twitter feed. I just checked.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Matt lienert?!?!?!?! Puke…gag
well the good news is we will be drafting a qb next year,
Geno Smith & EJ manual would fit very nicely in this offense. big strong kids that throw very well, throw well on the run and have the mobility required to be an elite player in this scheme. These guys with d mac, and all the speed will kill.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
I don’t care who wins the RT job, whether it be Barnes, Barksdale or Bergstrom …
Heck, maybe even Alex Parsons, Zach Hurd, Dan Knapp or
Lucas Nix get in the mix??
We just need a mauler, who isn’t going to kill us with false starts, holds and crappy pass protection.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
I don’t care who wins the RT job, whether it be Barnes, Barksdale or Bergstrom …
Heck, maybe even Alex Parsons, Zach Hurd, Dan Knapp or
Lucas Nix get in the mix??
We just need a mauler, who isn’t going to kill us with false starts, holds and crappy pass protection.
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Well that eliminates Barnes from the competition then…
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
the good news is we will be drafting a qb next year
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@Mistic
If we draft a QB next year, that means Palmer/Leinart/Pryor aren’t good enough.
How can that possibly be seen as “good news” ??
By the way, 3 of our draft picks this year were spent on a QB and we’re also shipping a 1st or 2nd to Cincy next year (depending on Palmer’s performance in 2012).
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
If the Raiders win the Super Bowl this year and Carson Palmer decides to retire on a high note, I won’t mind drafting a QB next year …
any other scenario I will be p1ssed.
write that on a sticky note and post it to your screen
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 am
our secondary is far from being set imo
Wouldn’t it be funny if Conroy Black & Chaz Powell were our starting CB’s this year ??
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
reggie taken care of the fam
thats pretty cool
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am
reggie taken care of the fam
thats pretty cool
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true, 505
teachers are VERY important, but they don’t make squat!
If you were in Reggie’s position, would you let your bro struggle financially?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am
EJ Manuel, lol.
He might get unseated by this Corker kid that is pushing him in spring practice.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
the good news is we will be drafting a qb next year
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@Mistic
If we draft a QB next year, that means Palmer/Leinart/Pryor aren’t good enough.
How can that possibly be seen as “good news” ??
By the way, 3 of our draft picks this year were spent on a QB and we’re also shipping a 1st or 2nd to Cincy next year (depending on Palmer’s performance in 2012).
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I have never been sold on pryor, but this offense is probbably his best chance to stick, he had no shot running the hu jack vertical game. Lienert was over ratted coming out of college, and has been a colossal bust. Palmer has had an up and down career, and his down times are putrid, witness last years 16 pick debacle as he steered us clear out of the play offs, along with that god awful defense.
It would be music to my ears to see the raiders get a qb of the future that could flourish in this offense. Give me the kid that make all of the throws and make plays when the play breaks down. Smith and manual fit the bill.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am
EJ Manuel, lol.
He might get unseated by this Corker kid that is pushing him in spring practice.
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i know jfb,
just like you said about newton and rg3, trust me the kid can play, he won the bowl game on a broken leg last year. FSU would have had a much better season had he not gotten injured midway through the season. he gets better every time he takes the field, i doubt he will be beaten out bra. Dont believe the hype
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
@367,
I feel pretty confident that Bartell will come up big time for the Nation this year. We should be signing Andre Goodman like yesterday to solidify the unit.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Time to make some easy $$$ this Saturday on the fight. Mayweather is going to beat the schit out of Cotto.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
@Mistic
so you have NO HOPE that Palmer, Leinart or Pryor will turn things around and we’ll get some solid play from Oakland QB’s in 2012 ??
you’ve already moved on to next year’s draft?
Come on, bro. Just because McKenzie, Allen & Tarver are rookies doesn’t mean this will be a lame duck season!
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
guest123 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
@367,
I feel pretty confident that Bartell will come up big time for the Nation this year. We should be signing Andre Goodman like yesterday to solidify the unit.
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Bartell might be our best off season acquisition. I pass on Goodman. I’m not to impressed w/ Spencer as our #2. Would like to see Chekwa in there.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
I do like Geno Smith though, mainly because HE IS NOT AN ATHLETIC QB, and a pure pocket-passer.
Not sure why Mistic thinks he is some big, athletic QB. He is 6′2, 210, marked at the 4.8 forty range, with 179 carry carries for 194 yards. His 60 career Sacks are included in that rushing total, so basically he averages about 2-3 carries a game.
Total pocket passer.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Bergs played Lt too. He’ll be a powerful lg. Coops days are numbered.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Mental toughness is very important for a pro athlete especially the qb. I dont see the mental fortitude n any qb on our roster save maybe pryor. he may not be that smart but he doesnt fold like a lawn chair like we saw palmer do last year , and we have seen lienert do through out his career.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am
RRS
nah, what i like about it is he took care of business first then when a spot opened up brought his brother in
they both have been around football most of their lives and thier twins so they got to be on the same page
Reggies a good dude glad hes with the raiders
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am
Mistic,
I am just relying the message I heard on ESPN radio.
Manuel will have a quick leash this year, FSU really likes this Corker kid, but he is a sophmore.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Many say that TP is a terrible passer. Maybe they are correct. However let’s look at the creme de la creme, Mr. Andrew Luck v. Oregon Ducks:
2011: Loss to Stanford 53 – 30
He threw for 271 yards and three touchdowns but threw two interceptions for the first time since last year’s Oregon game, lost a fumble and was sacked a career-high three times – one fewer than he had all season.
2010: Loss to Stanford 52 – 31
Stanford’s Andrew Luck was 29 of 46 for 241 yards and two scores. He was also intercepted twice.
Now let’s look at Terrel Pryor:
2010 Rosebowl: Ohio State v Oregon Ducks
Ohio beats the Ducks 26 – 17
Terrell Pryor completed 23 passes out of 37 attempts for a completion rating of 72.9% for 266 yds, with 2 TD’s and one INT. Pryor was also the rushing leader in the game for 72 yds.
There is a strong case to made that Pryor isn’t a terrible passer, which flies in the face of Andrew Luck who has similiar stats not only in the Oregon losses but most of Stanford’s wins too.
Plus Luck can’t run, or has been convinced by his handlers that he is NFL ready to start and too elite to run. I say good “luck” to the Colts on their new acquisition. Hopefully their #1 pick won’t go the way of Leinart.
The only true measure will be the playing field. Let’s hope TP is coached up and is given a fair chance, which, by the way, I can’t see why he wouldn’t (be given a fair chance).
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Kobe said “i didnt realize I was working hard untill I got old. I just loved the game. The work was fun for me.”
Those are the types reg needs to bring in. it seemed like alot of his picks were team captins.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
just like you said about newton and rg3,
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Or also, like you said about Jerrod Johnson and Troy Smith?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
FK Kobe!
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
DMAC Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
guest123 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
@367,
I feel pretty confident that Bartell will come up big time for the Nation this year. We should be signing Andre Goodman like yesterday to solidify the unit.
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Bartell might be our best off season acquisition. I pass on Goodman. I’m not to impressed w/ Spencer as our #2. Would like to see Chekwa in there.
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That’d be fine with me also, but we lack some depth at corner, and I’m not satisified with who we have right now. Goodman would at the very least be a depth upgrade. I like Chekwa to be a better fit at safety.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
Those are the types reg needs to bring in. it seemed like alot of his picks were team captins.
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@ Mark
or team chaplains!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
A RT would be more valuable than a guard, IMO.
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Replacing Barnes is a bigger need than replacing Carlisle.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Mental toughness is very important for a pro athlete especially the qb.
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Agreed, that’s why everyone outside of Al Davis realizes Jason Campbell is not worth a $hit.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
G123
What are your thoughts on DVD and Spencer?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
A RT would be more valuable than a guard, IMO.
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Replacing Barnes is a bigger need than replacing Carlisle.
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Maybe Barksdale can get it done. He’ll definitely be given the chance.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Regarding Amare Stoudamire: “Half of his hand was just hanging off. It was really bad. Blood was just squirting out. That’s why they had the paramedics come in, because they thought he might have punctured an artery because of how much blood was coming out.”
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Reminds me of a friend of mine, who, after we lost a b-ball game in high school, punched a metal locker. The locker was like a cage with metal cross sections and those cross sections acted like a cheese grater on his hand. The meaty portion of his hand to the side of his pinky and beneath his pink flopped down and blood shot everywhere.
It was ugly. I had to hold his arm still as we stuck his hand under cool running water….
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 am
@Hardline,
In both of TP’s most important games, he came through just fine. Oregon and Arkansas. I’d be more concerned if someone racks up great numbers and fail during crunch time.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am
First time Amare crashed the glass in about 4 years.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
394.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 am
First time Amare crashed the glass in about 4 years.
++++++++++
LMFAO!
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
fu**ing barnes killed too many big drives in pivitol moments in games for 2 years in a row
got to upgrade the rt this year
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
TP looked really good against Oregon.
The Arkansas game, he was neither asked or did anything in the second half. It was really abysmal, like 3 of 9 for 25 yards, while Arkansas was making a big comeback. He did look good in the first half.
I watched that Arkansas-OSU game in entirity, and I thought both Mallet and Pryor looked exactly as they ended up being, 3rd round picks.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
505,
Another beautiful day in Paradise today!!!!
Might have to hit up Ladera this afternoon.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
You guys are trippin
Reggie got this. Don’t trip.
I bet everyone in the building agrees. An they do not care what we think.
Go down to alameda get a job at raider headquarters an give your input.
Otherwise as regards to Raleigh bei.g brought in keys shut our pieholes
An let the man do his job an prove himself. Bfore judgement is passed
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
I do like Geno Smith though, mainly because HE IS NOT AN ATHLETIC QB, and a pure pocket-passer.
Not sure why Mistic thinks he is some big, athletic QB. He is 6′2, 210, marked at the 4.8 forty range, with 179 carry carries for 194 yards. His 60 career Sacks are included in that rushing total, so basically he averages about 2-3 carries a game.
Total pocket passer.
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JFB how many times have you seen smith play? geno smith is very athletic, he doesnt run much because he so adept at finding his receivers, and moving in the pocket. Also the offense they run is a quick passing offense that gets the ball out before the rush gets to the qb. I have seen him take off and run and he is a very good runner, he reminds me of a more accurate better decision making version of arron brooks. i have been watching this kid play since he was named the full time starter, and he is very athletic. Dont be fooled by the rushing stats he is an elite passer but also a very good runner
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
He’s not quick enough laterally to play tackle
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
And dont pick on my spelling when im high.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
DMAC Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
G123
What are your thoughts on DVD and Spencer?
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DVD is very fast, but has no instincts and probably never will, and he needs to bulk up. It would not surprise me or discourage me to see DVD cut this preseason. I don’t know much about Spencer, but what film study I’ve read from other sites is that he’s a guy that may never break thru. If Spencer makes it on the team, I doubt seriously he’ll see a lot of action.
Neither guy is what we need.
Big fan of Bartell/Chekwa as the incumbent starters, at least till the start of TC.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
And the la defenders could beat the w’s..
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Mental toughness is very important for a pro athlete especially the qb.
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Agreed, that’s why everyone outside of Al Davis realizes Jason Campbell is not worth a $hit.
……….
This is a pathetic response, and clearly some sort of obsessive reflex.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
Do you think we make the playoffs if cambell an DMAC
Don’t get season ending injuries. Or are we better of with the opposite
An ending up with the CP trade?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Marks hair Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
And the la defenders could beat the w’s..
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You need to seriously get off the Warriors nutz.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
I have seen probably 4-6 Geno Smith games.
He is in the pocket, almost exclusively when I saw him. No roll-outs or bootlegs, no designed runs, lots of quick throws, all done within the pocket.
I would compare him more to Leftwich. Athletic enough when he is 23, but when he is 29, he will be closer to Drew Bledsoe.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
no doubt! the wind has been killing it lately
thats right by the pad
never gone golfing before
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
I dont like this at all. Firing a guy with 33 years of experience and hiring your brother who was a special ed teacher. This doesnt smell good at all.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
just like you said about newton and rg3,
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Or also, like you said about Jerrod Johnson and Troy Smith?
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Johnson was a leading nfl prospect but a torn labrum derailed his career. before his injury he was one of the best in the country. Smith was scape goated in sf, and washed out with the singletary era.
Do you have any new material?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Do you think we make the playoffs if cambell an DMAC
Don’t get season ending injuries.
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That’s life with D-Mac and Campbell, season-ending injuries are part of their gig.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 am
I have a condo we are renting in Casa Ladera, on Sequoia.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
Troy Smith has been given multiple opportunities by multiple teams.
He stinks.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
An if Campbell doesn’t get injured. Is he still our QB this yr.
Somehow but I think were better off with ending up with a good QB in CP
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Do you have any new material?
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Next year I will have EJ Manuel, so you will have to wait.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
406.r8dercain Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
Do you think we make the playoffs if cambell an DMAC
Don’t get season ending injuries. Or are we better of with the opposite
An ending up with the CP trade?
Seriously, I think with them being healthy, we would have pulled off at least one more win. About the second scenario…hard to tell, but if JC and DMAC stayed healthy and we made the playoffs…JC would probably still be here and I am not sure if losing him to Palmer would have been a better aquistion, because it would have never happened!
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Big fan of Bartell/Chekwa as the incumbent starters, at least till the start of TC
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Ditto
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 am
I have seen probably 4-6 Geno Smith games.
He is in the pocket, almost exclusively when I saw him. No roll-outs or bootlegs, no designed runs, lots of quick throws, all done within the pocket.
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Just like i thought, you dont know because you havent really watched him much at all.
he is in a shotgun offense a spread the relies on quick throws. He is such a great passer the offense doesnt call for him to run, but he can and will in a pinch. he prefers to run and press the edge or pocket in order to free up receivers, but he is a good runner. WVU doesnt have a runnig game which means he facecs a ton of pressure, this accounts for the sacks.
Watch him play more football then get back to me.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am
yeah ur just down the road we should hit up knuckle heads sometime
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Mistic…where you been brah?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
Troy Smith has been given multiple opportunities by multiple teams.
He stinks.
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No he has never been given a real shot & who cares what you think about him anyway?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
Been to knuckleheads a few times, same with Effing Bar.
Live up the Petroglyphs area now, but still on the West.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 am
What I think?
This is fact, he is an NFL backup/#3 QB, who failed everywhere he went.
Same with Leinart. Garbage.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 am
Troy Smith, probably if not for that spat he had with Big Mike…who knows where he may have taken them!
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Mistic…where you been brah?
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life is good bra, looking forward to this year.Cant wait to see our new lb burris he is a beast. You?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Troy Smith = Matt Leinart.
If they are starting the football game, you have little chance to win it. better have a solid ground game and a defense that plays lights out!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Mistic,
Geno Smith will be lauded as a pocet passer when he comes out in the draft. His lack of elite athliticism and size will be his knocks on him.
He isn’t even in the same caliber as athlete and collegiate runner as Andrew Luck and Christian Ponder, better yet RG III, Cam or Locker.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Leinart > Boller
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
426.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Mistic…where you been brah?
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life is good bra, looking forward to this year.Cant wait to see our new lb burris he is a beast. You?
Yeah, I hear ya! These next 3 months couldn’t come faster
I can’t wait to see Burris. Some said he reminds them of Matthews. I would be thrilled if true!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
I like Ponder. I think this kid will be good in the future.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
Re: Jason Campbell,
I had high hopes for him last year leading the player only minicamps and taking the leadership role. The third preseason game, he lit up the Saints defense and looked like the perfect field general despite his overall physical discrepancies. When he went down to injury, he busted his tail working to get back even though it was much more likely he was done.
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..
..
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and then….
He slithers over to Chicago for a one year $3M deal that guarantees him nothing but QB2 status…
What about all this talk about being a team leader? Now it all seems so phony.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 am
What I think?
This is fact, he is an NFL backup/#3 QB, who failed everywhere he went.
Same with Leinart. Garbage.
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I mention qbs on our current active roster, and draft eligible qb prospects for next year, and you bring up a qb that left via free agency and two guys that arent even in the nfl?!?!
whats your issue
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
426.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Mistic…where you been brah?
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life is good bra, looking forward to this year.Cant wait to see our new lb burris he is a beast. You?
Yeah, I hear ya! These next 3 months couldn’t come faster
I can’t wait to see Burris. Some said he reminds them of Matthews. I would be thrilled if true!
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Burris looks faster than Mathews, IMO
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
385.DMAC Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
FK Kobe!
^^^^^^^^
KOBE IS THE MAN!
The deadly Black Mamba killa!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
let me know JFB but we definetly got watch a game somewhere when the season gets rolling
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Leinart may be garbage, but he’s our garbage. Let’s rally around this guy. If he’s wearing S&B, he’s alright by me.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 am
The two that are not in the NFL are two guys you raved on and on about on here.
That’s my issue. For every decent find you have in the QB draft process, you have 2-3 stinkers.
Not too mention they are all Black QB’s you talk about.
How about Aaron Murray, Landry Jones or anybody else, that you know, we PROBABLY will be looking at as QB, not some guy that might not even get drafted.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Mistic,
Geno Smith will be lauded as a pocet passer when he comes out in the draft. His lack of elite athliticism and size will be his knocks on him.
He isn’t even in the same caliber as athlete and collegiate runner as Andrew Luck and Christian Ponder, better yet RG III, Cam or Locker.
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He will get his accolades for his passing ability as well he should, but that doesnt not negate his ability to pull it down and pick up 10 or 15 yards when he needs.
No i would not compare him to extreme athletic freaks like my boys Cam and RGIII ( who you said would never play int he league lmao), he is more in the mold of a jason campbell or rich ganon, or john elway. When the play breaks down he can tuck it and pick up a 3rd a dn seven with his legs. Watch him play more football then we can talk
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
The UNDFA Hamilton kid from Mizzu McK signed might turn out to be another steal!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
@440
Dominique Hamilton Scouting Report
Dominique Hamilton – Missouri (HT: 6-4¾ – WT: 313)
Positives — Very intriguing potential 3-4 nose tackle due to his strength and run-stopping ability; also flashes some burst off the line of scrimmage, can eat up blockers and push and penetrate the pocket… Big body with good power at the point of attack, long arms and can punch lineman back, can be difficult to engage, can deliver a jolt and establish hand position on contact, gets some push on the bull rush and can overpower blockers… Solid leg drive, keeps his legs moving, can generate a push on the pocket… Has the strength to anchor against double teams and holds his ground at the point inside, looks like a two-down run stuffer at the next level, does a great job as a run stopper in the middle of the line, can occupy blockers and free up others around him to make plays… Plays with a good motor and shows good awareness of the ball carrier, has plus instincts and can make some plays in pursuit… If he can add some weight and develop into a 3-4 nose tackle he could end up being a tremendous value pick late in day three… At this point, only has the potential to fill out and play at nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme, but still fits either scheme either at the nose in a four-man front or as a 3-4 defensive end (5-technique).
Negatives — His lack of athleticism was exploited at the combine, 5.54-40 was the slowest among all defensive linemen… Routinely gets upright off the ball, doesn’t use his hands well to shed through contact and is primarily a bull rusher who can push the pocket, but lacks much of an arsenal of pass rush moves… Doesn’t look very comfortable in stack and shed situations, needs to be more consistent with his hand usage and placement… Can get upright when he tires and expose himself, loses stamina as the game moves on, tires too easily… Would need to add considerable weight to be considered full time as a 3-4 nose, weighed in seven pounds lighter than his listed weight at Missouri, value is minimized without the potential to play inside in a three-man front… Minor durability concerns, played in seven games during his junior season and missed spring practices this season following a broken ankle that required surgery.
Combine Results
Height › 6046
Weight › 313
Arm › 33⅛
Hand › 10¼
40-Time › 5.54
Vertical ›
Broad ›
Bench Press › 31
Shuttle › 4.78
Cone › 7.82
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
When did I say RGIII would never play in the league?
I did think he would be more of a 2nd rounder, and HE DID say he wanted to run in the London Olympics more than play football when he was in college, but I don’t think he thought he was going to be the #2 overall at the time he said it.
If he is the mold of Jason Campbell, than he is an awful running QB. Our boy Soup’s last two “tuck it and run” attempts resulted in a fumble when nobody touched him, and a broken collarbone.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
@JFB
yesterday people were comparing Pryor to Tarvaris Jackson and Leinart to Rich Gannon
Amazing, huh?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
I’d rather be bringing in players that TP has to beat out for #2 rather than having TP need more time and having someone like Boller to turn to if CP goes down. If the defense steps and we have our running game going, Leinart can manage the game.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Clay Mathews is a poor mans Miles Burris.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am
He will get his accolades for his passing ability as well he should, but that doesnt not negate his ability to pull it down and pick up 10 or 15 yards when he needs.
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LMAO!!!
Ummmm….I would say 95% of the QB’s getting drafted today are athletic enough to pick up 10-15 yards when the play breaks down on occasion.
Didn’t Caleb Hanie run for like 20 yards against us last year on a 3rd down? He is a stiff. Tebow ran for a million yards, Ponder had over 50 yards rushing against us.
Again, Geno’s athleticism will be his knock against him, come draft process. I think it will be overstated because I think athleticism is vastly overrated for the QB spot, but it will be there.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Seau dead
Cops are currently at a residence where 43-year-old Junior is … People in law enforcement are telling us Junior Seau is dead
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
Wow
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dominique Hamilton – Missouri (HT: 6-4¾ – WT: 313)
Positives — Very intriguing potential 3-4 nose tackle due to his strength and run-stopping ability
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I’ll take him!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dominique Hamilton – Missouri (HT: 6-4¾ – WT: 313)
Positives — Very intriguing potential 3-4 nose tackle due to his strength and run-stopping ability
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I’ll take him!!
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To the prom?
lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 am
The two that are not in the NFL are two guys you raved on and on about on here.
That’s my issue. For every decent find you have in the QB draft process, you have 2-3 stinkers.
Not too mention they are all Black QB’s you talk about.
How about Aaron Murray, Landry Jones or anybody else, that you know, we PROBABLY will be looking at as QB, not some guy that might not even get drafted.
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ahh finally the truth comes out. lets address your obseesions one by one.
1.) johnson was a premier prospect, but a torn labrum stifled him, he tried to play through the injury and was woefully misguided in that attempt. Im not sure if you know this but a labrun tear is a death sentence to a qb, because you cant throw the ball with any zip. My support of him was justified pre injury.
2.)I never raved about smith, other than saying he was a better fit for the niners than any other qb they had on board that year ( bra that was 2 years ago why are you still stuck ).
3.)Why is the black qb thing and issue for you? This is 2012 cave man you should evolve beyond your small minded race hate. Snake and plunk were my first qb heroes they are not black last i checked. why dont you make an issue if i leave white running backs off my prospect watch list? because you dont like the idea of black men being team leaders and playing the single most important position in sports.
Troglodyte your neanderthal gene is showing.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
yesterday people were comparing Pryor to Tarvaris Jackson and Leinart to Rich Gannon
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I think Gannon is closer to Pryor and Leinart is closer to Jackson.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
DJ Johnny Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Clay Mathews is a poor mans Miles Burris.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Pass that S&@t! Koolaid too.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 am
Wow….Saints got smacked today! No Vilma? Whoa
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
When did I say RGIII would never play in the league?
I did think he would be more of a 2nd rounder, and HE DID say he wanted to run in the London Olympics more than play football when he was in college, but I don’t think he thought he was going to be the #2 overall at the time he said it.
If he is the mold of Jason Campbell, than he is an awful running QB. Our boy Soup’s last two “tuck it and run” attempts resulted in a fumble when nobody touched him, and a broken collarbone.
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another swing and miss for JFB.
When RGIII was a freshman I watched him play and came on this board telling everyone that he was the best prospect in the counrty. Your response was he could not play and would never make it to the nfl, even though you had never seen him play a down. you even tried to convince me that he was a run first athlete that could never make it to the nfl. What a joke
Then as he started to gain notoriety you tried to act as if you were up on it the whole time. Your next play was to claim he had durability issues and wanted to be an olympian.
Only this year when his greatness could no longer be ignored did you acknowledge his prowess as a qb.
You were late to the party and you didnt even bring any beer bra. I remember this clearly. newton and RGIII were major misses for you. stop playing
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
To the prom?
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@DMAC
to your house, so he can plow your mom!
just kidding man
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Wow….Saints got smacked today! No Vilma? Whoa
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@ROG
the Saints have been preparing for this.
They signed FA LB’s Lofton & Hawthorne!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
You People….
Comparing TP to Gannon and JC?!
TP is a better athlete, and he has more arm strength. He reminds me of McNabb. Arm strength is good, but his throwing motion and spin need more work.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Darren Sharper still lying about about “BountyGate”. Despite the recordings etc. etc. etc. he still says it’s “not true”.
Gimme a break.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Never raved about Troy Smith???!!!???
I have the thread saved, do you care to recant that statemtent?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
TMZ.com, citing multiple law-enforcement sources, reports that former NFL linebacker Junior Seau has died in a shooting at his home.
The passing of Seau has not been confirmed. According to 10news.com, police are indeed at Seau’s home.
Chargers spokesman Bill Johnston tells PFT that the team is in the process of gathering information regarding the situation.
Seau, 43, last played in the NFL in 2009.
Again, the report from TMZ is not confirmed. We will provide updates as events warrant.
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huh
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
If the Saints STILL find a way to make the playoffs this yr. it will really tick me off.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Never raved about Troy Smith???!!!???
I have the thread saved, do you care to recant that statemtent?
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Oh snap lol!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
So this wasn’t you? You said that Troy Smith’s and Jason Campbell reminded you of Plunkett and Joe Montana, LMAO!!!
25.mistic1 Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 10:33 am
# DMAC Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 10:27 am
FK the Whiners and Troy Smith. He doesn’t play for the Silver and Black. So fk them!
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you have to forgive me bra, there was a time in these parts where plunkett and montana were trading superbowl wins. I haven’t seen this kind of qb play since the early eighties around here. This is a lot of fun for alot of people here in the bay.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
To the prom?
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@DMAC
to your house, so he can plow your mom!
just kidding man
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Oh
You want to do momma jokes
I got one for u
Yo momma so stupid she thinks a quarterback is a refund
lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Whoa Mistic….damn buddy you hit him with the troglodyte tag? Ouch its rough in here today
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Never raved about Troy Smith???!!!???
I have the thread saved, do you care to recant that statemtent?
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Ouch!!!!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
DJ Johnny Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
If the Saints STILL find a way to make the playoffs this yr. it will really tick me off.
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I would be shocked if they didn’t make the playoffs.
too much offense!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
If the Saints STILL find a way to make the playoffs this yr. it will really tick me off.
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@DJG
they will – good teams find a way to overcome adversity.
the Raiders haven’t been a good team in many years!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Of course your buddy had to get people back in line:
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 10:56 am
I’m going to give Troy Smith the same treatment that people said (and maybe rightfully) about Bruce Gradkowski.
Once defenses have some game-film on him, they can plan accordingly and he will be toast.
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The link to the thread if you want to review
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/11/15/espn-kiffin-grievance-denied/
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
Didn’t Seau try to commit suicide a few months ago by driving off a cliff?
I know he said his hand “slipped’ on the steering wheel, but it was still suspected it was a suicide attempt due to recent parting with his wife and other issues he was having.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
According to Wiki, Seau is dead.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
Yo momma so stupid she thinks a quarterback is a refund
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@DMAC
isn’t it?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
According to Wiki, Seau is dead.
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thanks, O. that makes it official
LOL!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
RRS…I guess so….seems like much is happening on Earth these days…guess we all better prepare
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
I don’t have the race issue, I would love if we drafted Geno Smith.
You on the other hand, would not like it with we drafted Landry Jones, Matt Barkley or Aaron Murray.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
You guys are right about Saints having the offense to get it done despite all of this.
With Brees…you’ve got a shot for sure.
I won’t be happy about it though.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
Report: Junior Seau Commits Suicide
Large Police Response Reported At Junior Seau’s Oceanside Home
SAN DIEGO — Oceanside Police have apparently responded to Junior Seau’s home on South The Strand in Oceanside. The Chargers Hall Of Famer killed himself, a witness who heard the news from police told 10News.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
BTW, there are some real gems on that thread.
Post #64, Mistic is so confidant that he ASKS US to revisit it in a few years.
LOL…..done buddy!!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
I think if you’re going to be making claims about your access to inner workings of the team you need to identify yourself on here. So who are you, Raider Riff?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Suicides are for cowards!
Straight up!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
@JFB
I hope you saved some gems from me about Kirk Morrison & Johnnie Lee Higgins!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
RR,
Nope, but two threads prior to the one I posted, you are harping on Rolando “McWhiff”.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
RRS was it you that was skeptical about Romac when we drafted him? Wasnt sure if it was you or Dakota?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
@JFB
I hope you saved some gems from me about Kirk Morrison & Johnnie Lee Higgins!!
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Next time I see JLH rolling through the hood in that ice cream truck, I’ll ask him to sign an autograph for you.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Wonder what could have been so awful about Seau’s life that he felt the need to end it?
Perhaps the fact he was a Charger not a Raider?
to soon?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Just read that…also, Seau is the 8th member of that 94 SB team to pass! WTH is going on?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Never raved about Troy Smith???!!!???
I have the thread saved, do you care to recant that statemtent?
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LMAO i had no idea you were such a huge fan of mine, on second thoguht its abit creepy.
Dont take my statement out of context. I didnt say they reminded of plunkett and montana as players. I was making a point that those particular games on that particular sunday reminded me of watching plunk and montana. you know… come back victories in the final moments.
Try again
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
RR,
LOL
You know how many people get info from wiki?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
RR,
Of course post #126, you wouldn’t be suprised if Soup shredded the Pitt D for 300 yards and 3 TD’s, and thought he had the full support of team and coaching staff.
Than he got benched for the second half and the next game, lol.
Looking at old threads is awesome!!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
It isn’t real hard to cut and paste a link that warrants saving to a Word spreadsheet. I mean, you even asked us to do it, so I did.
Don’t worry, I got many of yous people in the crosshairs if need be.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Bucs announce signing of paralyzed former Rutgers player Eric LeGrand per pft….
Very classy move by the Bucs and that coach.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
It is not “out of context” I posted the whole link and everyone of your words.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Just read that…also, Seau is the 8th member of that 94 SB team to pass! WTH is going on?
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Maybe the thought of getting pounded in the rectum by the 9ers in the subpar bowl was to much to bare.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 am
RIP Junior Seau…. Admired and respected you.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
478.Hardline Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
Report: Junior Seau Commits Suicide
Large Police Response Reported At Junior Seau’s Oceanside Home
SAN DIEGO — Oceanside Police have apparently responded to Junior Seau’s home on South The Strand in Oceanside. The Chargers Hall Of Famer killed himself, a witness who heard the news from police told 10News.
^^^^^^^
Wow…he finally offed himself huh? Sad.
Supposedly he tried to kill himself last year by ramming his car off the road.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Seau was a great competitor and fun to root against. I feel for his children. God bless the Seau family.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
165.mistic1 Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
next week is a qb show case here in the bay. We will get to watch rothlisberger, vs campbell, and freeman vs. smith. What a line up.
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Bwahhhhaaaaa!!!!
Too funny. Campbell was benched at the half, Troy Smith led his offense to zero points.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Of course post #126, you wouldn’t be suprised if Soup shredded the Pitt D for 300 yards and 3 TD’s, and thought he had the full support of team and coaching staff.
Than he got benched for the second half and the next game, lol.
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That was the game I had a running argument with Mistic all week and predicted JC would get exposed. I was accused of being a Pitt fan and ended up winning the bet against another semi pro on here for predicting JC’s eventual benching.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
I liked his passion for football.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
I don’t have the race issue, I would love if we drafted Geno Smith.
You on the other hand, would not like it with we drafted Landry Jones, Matt Barkley or Aaron Murray.
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why is it so important to you , for me to be fan of the guys you just mentioned? barkley & jones are not my kind of qbs, they dont have an ounce of improv skill or athleticism. i think jones is largley a system qb. Murray hasnt been a winner, and im not sold on him. that is why they are not on my watch list.
You clearly do have a rce issue, which is why you always examin what i post about qbs looking for the what color skin they have.
what a moron
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
I am with DMAC, suicide is a batch move.
Fck him for what he just did to his family. Completely selfish, look at me, move.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
Well, Jones, Barkley and Murray will all be taken well ahead of EJ Manuel, so you can take it up with the 32 front offices in the league.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
I think Seau’s heavy use of steroids through high school, college and in the NFL probably led to this.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
It is not “out of context” I posted the whole link and everyone of your words.
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yes out of context
you tried to make it appear that i was saying smith and jc were as good as montana and plunk. I didnt say that. My statement net was about that single weekend of football and what they accomplished on that sunday.
You have to go all the way back to 2010 to feel good about yourself? truly sad
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
I think Seau’s heavy use of steroids through high school, college and in the NFL probably led to this.
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I suspect this as well.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
Well, Jones, Barkley and Murray will all be taken well ahead of EJ Manuel, so you can take it up with the 32 front offices in the league.
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i really dont care about any of that, but i am glad geno and ej will be on the board when our pick is up
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
i really dont care about any of that,
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Of course not, facts and outside opinion mean nothing.
It’s all about you Mistic!!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:57 am
two threads prior to the one I posted, you are harping on Rolando “McWhiff”.
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LOL!!
I forgot about that one, JFB
I thought he was just McCrohns back then?
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
RRS was it you that was skeptical about Romac when we drafted him? Wasnt sure if it was you or Dakota?
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@ AIG
both of us!
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
I didn’t imply anything, I posted your comment with a LMAO attached to it.
Whether it was for one single weekend or not, you compared the QB play to what we had in the early 80’s with Plunkett and Montana.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Next time I see JLH rolling through the hood in that ice cream truck, I’ll ask him to sign an autograph for you.
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LOL!!
I hate you, DMAC.
You BAAASSSSSSTTTTARRRDD (best Chris Farley voice)
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
You should see the one I have saved on you for Hue Jackson and Jason Campbell.
That would be just too much humor for one day.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
I didn’t imply anything, I posted your comment with a LMAO attached to it.
Whether it was for one single weekend or not, you compared the QB play to what we had in the early 80’s with Plunkett and Montana.
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no bra, my comment was about that sunday only, trying to make it appear as something different all together is taking it out of context.
you are boring me to tears
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
It isn’t real hard to cut and paste a link that warrants saving to a Word spreadsheet. I mean, you even asked us to do it, so I did.
Don’t worry, I got many of yous people in the crosshairs if need be.
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Bring up some dirt on me, if you have any. Would luv to see what I felt like at the time.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Nepotism!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Heavy steroid use and probably some kind of brain injury related to football are probably the causes of Seau killing himself.
Goodell and the NFL better take notice, because lawsuits are going to continue when it comes to the NFL covering up brain injuries all these years.
I think Goodell is tryin to turn the corner on that though.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
You should see the one I have saved on you for Hue Jackson and Jason Campbell.
That would be just too much humor for one day.
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they were good together, 4-2 first place headed to the division title and playoffs.
Jc got injured hu jack went crazy when al passed. So what.
Come out of the past, im talking future and present
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
rip seau….
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I loved it when Dakota brought up the old posts by BSJ & Lefty… both loving up on DMAC right after we drafted him
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Going into the Steelers game in 2010:
27.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
If we have zero points at halftime, like we did last week, Hue and Coach Cable will certainly be benching him for Bruce.
I base this soley upon the track record of Hue Jackson benching Campbell, and Cable’s press conference remarks.
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Pretty smart feller there!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
i really dont care about any of that,
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Of course not, facts and outside opinion mean nothing.
It’s all about you Mistic!!!!
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i make my own determinations based on what i see. Im not like you parroting other people opinions and offering them without actually watching the guys play
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Come out of the past, im talking future and present
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Great, than let’s talk about the soon to be 2012 Pro Bowl season for our current QB!!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Wrong Rock.Mine were about DHB,not McFadden.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Of course, this infamous gem, a few threads later:
25.priesttj Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Vick IMO is playing the best brand of QB this league has ever seen, he is starting to put his hnads on that MVP trophy if he keeps it up.
Several laughed when I said he was as good if not better than Elway but IMO I would take him over Elway I just think what he’s doing now I’ve never seen Elway play like this. Now he has to get a lot more done in terms of getting hat team to the playoffs and beyond but he is well on his way.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
sorry Lefty, wrong DMAC hater… perhaps Exla?
Dakota will know when he comes back here to post more Laker propaganda
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RIP Junior Seau, you were a worthy opponent.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
For everybody that questions Goodell’s cracking down on headshots, here’s Exhibit A.
RIP to a respected adversary.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Jr Seau DEAD!
Who did it?
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Didn’t JR Seau also try to drive his jeep off a cliff? I wonder if concussions had anything to do with it. Either way, RIP. One of the best Chargers to play the game.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Hated Seau so much as a Charger, but it was hard not to respect his game.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Saying suicide, GSW to the chest like Duerson
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I agree with DMAC & JFB; with their takes on Seau and this situation
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I’ve even read a Twitter Post that says the suicide to the chest was deliberately so his brain could be examined like Duerson’s.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Junior Seau’s passing is a tragedy.
There used to be a sports radio talk show host named, “Super Fan”, broadcast out of Las Vegas. Super Fan used to end his show every day with the declaration that sports was the Toy Store, and the clubs and players, were candy without cavities. He would say “Don’t take it too seriously folks; have a fine day.”
As DJ speculated, maybe Seau was suffering from organic brain injuries due to sustained concussions. Or maybe since he was out of the spotlight he felt his life was over, and there was nothing further to do, and he just couldn’t continue.
A newsreport said the following:
“According to SI.com, Seau is the eighth member of the Chargers team that lost to the San Francisco 49ers in Super XXIX to die. Other players from the 1994 roster to pass include running back Rodney Culver, linebackers David Griggs, Doug Miller and Lew Bush, defensive linemen Shawn Lee and Chris Mims, center Curtis Whitley.”
Rest in Peace Junior – I hope you do well in that next world’s Superbowl.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Man, Seau’s mother is on ESPN right now. Simply heartbreaking.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“According to SI.com, Seau is the eighth member of the Chargers team that lost to the San Francisco 49ers in Super XXIX to die. Other players from the 1994 roster to pass include running back Rodney Culver, linebackers David Griggs, Doug Miller and Lew Bush, defensive linemen Shawn Lee and Chris Mims, center Curtis Whitley.”
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Natrone Means is still alive??
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
People talk about the physical affects of Steroid use….but no one talks about the psychological effects of its use…..
I used the stuff for a short period in college and can tell you first hand it is much more a psychological drug then anything physical. It gives the user a super GOD complex…
Athletes already have super inflated egos as it is.
I have often wanted to interview athletes who used and could share their stories….trouble is….so many are still using that no one wants to talk about it.
I had a friend who also used Steroids…and he killed himself in front of me with a 44 mag….
RIP Junior….your pain is over now!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Matt lienert?!?!?!?! Puke…gag
well the good news is we will be drafting a qb next year,
Geno Smith & EJ manual would fit very nicely in this offense. big strong kids that throw very well, throw well on the run and have the mobility required to be an elite player in this scheme. These guys with d mac, and all the speed will kill.
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Well…would you look at what the cat dragged in?
Homie, your QB debating privileges were revoked once Reggie kicked Campbell to the curb, all the other 31 teams passed on him as a starter, and he tucked his tail and scurried off to happily hold Cutler’s clipboard and fetch him his Gatorade.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Matt lienert?!?!?!?! Puke…gag
well the good news is we will be drafting a qb next year,
Geno Smith & EJ manual would fit very nicely in this offense. big strong kids that throw very well, throw well on the run and have the mobility required to be an elite player in this scheme. These guys with d mac, and all the speed will kill.
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Well…would you look at what the cat dragged in?
Homie, your QB debating privileges were revoked once Reggie kicked Campbell to the curb, all the other 31 teams passed on him as a starter, and he tucked his tail and scurried off to happily hold Cutler’s clipboard and fetch him his Gatorade.
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another worthless opinion from a noted impostor.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Ex-players complaining about injuries they incurred while playing is ludicrous.They knew what they were getting into when they decided to make football a career.Maybe the NFL should start putting disclaimers in all contracts offered.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow, 538
Backstage,
Thanks for the post. I always liked and respected Seau, if though he was the Raiders’ nemesis. His passing is hard for me to take.
Your words are comforting.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Ex-players complaining about injuries they incurred while playing is ludicrous.They knew what they were getting into when they decided to make football a career.Maybe the NFL should start putting disclaimers in all contracts offered.
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Their criticism is more over being told BY DOCTORS “You’re fine, get back out there” when the doctors knew that was a load of BS.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
even ** though
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Still shooting blanks, Mistic? Poor fella
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Duck-While that is partly true,they would often do whatever was necessary to get back out there because they know someone is on the bench who will take their job if they sit.I’ve read more often about where a player would say he’d do whatever possible to get back onto the field than I have about a player saying the DRs. told him he had to get back out there.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Lefty12,
These are nothing but kids, pumped up by owners and coaches, adored by fans. Most have no idea about life or what lies ahead, after football. 5% of them may become rich, the others, castoffs.
I saw a very brief interview of Joe Montana recently, and it looks as if his brain has been spun, a glaze over his eyes, and as a matter-of-fact, one eye hangs lower than the other.
It is a fact the life span of professional athletes is low, while most of these kids as pros think they and their fame will live forever.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Still shooting blanks, Mistic? Poor fella
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i dont eeven know what that means, or how that pertains to anything heterosexual.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I hope this situation allows for people to start to talk about the use of Steroids…..and how damaging in the long term it’s use can cause psychologically…
As I said, the physical stuff comes and goes….but the psychological doesn’t go away….until you forgive yourself and deal with reasons why you used to begin with…
If you cannot forgive yourself for choices made in your past…the guilt doesn’t go away….
I think Junior was in pain, and know that what happened today is for the best.
I hope everyone says a prayer for his family on this day.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Oh poor NFL players.
No one put guns to there heads and made them play.
These dudes know what they’re getting into when they sign that dotted line and make millions.
I have no sympathy what so ever towards NFL players.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Meanwhile, the Raiders have signed OL Ed Wang…
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-Sign-Offensive-Lineman-Ed-Wang/adfbf087-5a73-4bbc-83a3-6deaaa1e3d43
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Junior had problems for years. Didn’t he have an altercation with a tramp reality star and the police were called. Tila Tequila or something.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Wow, Junior Seau, Dead!
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
DMAC Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Oh poor NFL players.
No one put guns to there heads and made them play.
These dudes know what they’re getting into when they sign that dotted line and make millions.
I have no sympathy what so ever towards NFL players.
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Real classy.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Goodell is just trying to protect these players from their reckless, youthful selves.
I always thought suicide was a selfish, attention-seeking way to go out.
Seau goes down about 4 notches in my book for this stunt.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
An Asian linemen? Thats a 1st for me.
Thats actually pretty fk’n cool. Hope he can play and snatch Barnes spot, but he’ll probably be a back-up.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
DMAC Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Oh poor NFL players.
No one put guns to there heads and made them play.
These dudes know what they’re getting into when they sign that dotted line and make millions.
I have no sympathy what so ever towards NFL players.
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No, they didn’t know that.
Did they know they’d get beat up? Of course.
Did they know they’d get arthritis early and whatnot? Sure. I remember reading an interview with Eric Dickerson while he was still with the Rams saying “I hope they’ve cured arthritis by the time I retire, because I’m gonna have it big-time.”
Did they know they’d suffer brain injury after brain injury, and either end up with no short-term memory (like Jim McMahon), living under a bridge (like Mike Webster), or stricken with horrible depression and psychotic breaks (Andre Waters)? NO.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Junior had problems for years. Didn’t he have an altercation with a tramp reality star and the police were called. Tila Tequila or something.
——
That was Merriman.
Jr drove his car off a cliff last year. They claimed it was an accident. He was caught in some sort of an affair situation. It was then brushed under the rug. Now this. Pretty sad.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
NEW POST
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
DMAC,
My son, 6′5, 240lb, was recruited to play baseball for a major private university in Los Angeles. Being a stand out QB in high school he was courted by that university’s football program, the director of which thought my son might have promise as a tight end.
It was I who made the decision on that because my son was only 17 upon entering his freshman class. Given the risk/benefit ratio of playing college and/or professional football, I denied permission for him to try out. I am glad I did so.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
EXLA:
That was Merriman, I believe.
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
552.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Junior had problems for years. Didn’t he have an altercation with a tramp reality star and the police were called. Tila Tequila or something.
That was Shawne Merrimen
May 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Nope, I was wrong, that was Merriman.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RIP Junior.
May 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
GB under RM had a great history of finding above-average talent that others had overlooked.
That team mostly overachieved based on their talent.
Anyone in here that thinks that they know more about football than Ron Wolf is, by definition, an idiot.
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Reggie must be using a can of Febreze the size of a DC 10 to get the stank out of that building.
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