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Nose tackle for multiple Raiders? Kelly

Raiders coach Dennis Allen sat down with Tim Kawakami Wednesday and one of the nuggets during a 20-minute conversation is that Tommy Kelly would be the nose tackle should Oakland employ a 3-4 defense.

Allen has been steadfast in committing to a 4-3 or a 3-4 as a base, saying only the Raiders would be “multiple’ in scheme. Most of Allen’s background (Atlanta, New Orleans, Denver) has been in a 4-3. His defensive coordinator, Jason Tarver, ran a 3-4 as a co-coordinator at Stanford last year.

Kelly has played end and tackle with the Raiders, with the general consensus being he is best suited to the three-technique _ same as Richard Seymour.

Over the past two years, with neither Seymour nor Kelly being the prototypical run-stuffing tackle, the Raiders have suffered against the run.

Here’s a link to Kawakami’s column which includes a a transcript of his talk with Allen.

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  • R8ER MIKE

    Leinart=Campbell
    both sucked before they got here!!

  • Tricky70390

    Kelly at NT? No thank you. Should have drafted Chapman or Ta’Amu or brought in Nic Jean-Baptiste off of UDFA

  • papertiger418

    Enough about Terrell Pryor! It’s like the Seau coverage on TV; exhausting and repetitive. Agree to disagree, guys. You’ve beaten the hide off that dead horse.

  • YoungAmerican

    If we’re looking at 1-tech/shade NTs, Houston or UDFA Dom Hamilton may fit the bill. The question is whether moving Houston just weakens another starting spot, and whether Hamilton can progress quickly enough.

  • Raider J

    Allen on Pryor

    “this guy’s a worker. He’s put in relentless hours and effort in preparation. He’s competing.

    He’s wants to prove to everybody that he can be a quarterback for us in the National Football League. And we’re going to give him the opportunity to compete, and that’s what it’s all about.”

  • Raider J

    103. 105 is the only opinion that matters

  • Kirk

    Looking at film of Pryor, he looks very good.

    And his stats are very close to Cam Newton.

  • irjonny

    Actually, IF kelly can take on two blockers imagine what we could do to teams in pre-snap by shifting our base D. Its hard enough for a qb to identify rushers in a 3-4 anyways, let alone when he makes his pre-snap reads for a 4-3. This also gives us an edge on coverage reads as well. Coach it up Tarver

  • J R Myers

    Turdell Sands is a better NT than Kelly!

  • Raidernationdave

    I have a feeling the next move the Raiders make, if indeed they plan on employing the 3-4 more than 50%, is to find a “legitimate” NG.

    Love ya Tommy but just not as a NG.

  • Seymour Bush

    Kirk Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Looking at film of Pryor, he looks very good.

    And his stats are very close to Cam Newton.
    ==================================

    But Cam Newton played against better competition.

  • AmysInCharge

    Yo TJ in Mountain View, face the facts…Pryor sucks, isnt a QB, wont see him in preseason as he wont even make it to Napa,…the only difference between him and Jamarcus is Pryor doesnt drink Sizzurp…(he prolly does actually)…Leinart is alot better then Pryor, thats why Big Reg signed him. Sorry your buddies in Alameda are being canned, no more free tix for you,..at least you wont have to make coffee and lunch runs anymore. By the way, Im glad Junior shot himself, I hate the Chargers,..great news. :)

  • Seymour Bush

    Plus Newton was a Jr. College National Champion and then National Champion before leaving for the NFL. Hard to top that.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Bryce Harper = beast

    I knew this would happen. They would call him up to see what he has, and never take him out of the lineup for 15 years.

    Best baseball prospect since Griffey, and I think he has more game than KGJ

  • Just Fire Baby

    Crazy story that Sarah Phillips thing.

    Kind of hard to believe so many people fell for it.

  • SR Raider

    Newton > Palmer > Campbell > Teblow > Pryor=Leinart >> Russell (overall). Just my opinion from their college careers

  • Dakota

    Tommy as nt = disaster. Coaching staff will understand that once they get to coach the players on the field.

  • ohioraider

    Raider Riff Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Jerry Mac should be slapped for even bringing Kawakami onto this blog. To hell with that Raider hating Krapawami!

    Where is Herera when you need him.
    ————————————-
    You’ve got to be joking. So who are you anyways, hotshot? You’ve made some pretty grandiose claims on here, being an insider and what not. Please do tell.

  • SR Raider

    Dakota Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
    Tommy as nt = disaster. Coaching staff will understand that once they get to coach the players on the field.
    ————–

    Agreed. Kinda makes you scratch your head and say wtf?

  • ohioraider

    Gotta say I’m lovin’ Reggie’s big broom.

  • alzadoX

    Nose tackle for multiple Raiders? Kelly

    By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
    Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.

    Raiders coach Dennis Allen sat down with Tim Kawakami Wednesday and one of the nuggets during a 20-minute conversation is that Tommy Kelly would be the nose tackle should Oakland employ a 3-4 defense.

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    Jerry’s main takeaway does not quite/fully match up with the interview imo:

    -Q: Do you have a nose tackle right now in a 3-4?
    -ALLEN: (Smiles.) Yeah.
    -Q: Tommy Kelly?
    -ALLEN: He can do it.
    -Q: That’s pretty important.
    -ALLEN: Yeah, you’ve got to have one of those guys. And I think we’ve got a couple guys on the team that have the versatility that they could be a 4-3 nose and a 3-4 nose.

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    when I read the interview, I see, primarily, that Allen says we have at least a couple guys on the team that can play NT. 3-4 NT and/or 4-3 NT. Kawakami asks a leading question whether Tommy Kelly is one of them, and Allen confirms he is. But that doesn’t even indicate a change from Kelly’s roles in the past in a 4-3, where he often lined up square on the center, ie “4-3 NT”. He lined up at 3, 1, & 0 technique in the past. When the Raiders lined up someone as 4-3 NT, it was usually Kelly, but the other DTs lined up there too at times. It’s a matter of a few feet or inches to one side of another, but more importantly whether you’re lining up square on the nose of an OL or shading to a gap.

    The only fully new thing here is that Kelly could also play NT in 3-4 alignment

    Obviously Allen thinks there is at least one other player on the roster who can play NT, in 3-4 and/or 4-3

    A lot of people, myself included, felt that adding a new run stuffing NT/DT was a key for Raiders and help stabilize a DL that has some good personnel on hand for other roles

    But Allen–and, as shown by the draft, most of the rest of the NFL, has different ideas.

    It’s becoming more and more of a passing league, and teams are becoming less and less willing to sacrifice pass rush for a DL who is primarily a run stuffer. Of course, those pass rushers also need to be able to stop the run to have a successful defense, but run stuffing specialists aren’t valued in the NFL nearly as much as they were even a year or two ago

  • alzadoX

    In the past I’ve thought Kawakami was an inflammatory schmuck, but this is a pretty damn good interview. Gets Dennis Allen to go far beyond cliches and the completely obvious for the first time, though it more confirms common sense speculation than really giving insight.

    Was letting the first real interview be done by Kawakami, who has in past had such a contentious relationship with Raider Nation an olive branch extended by Raiders HQ, or are Cork and Jerry jealous?

    A main takeaway from interview to me:

    -Q: We’re going to keep asking you this–do you have a feel for what your primary defensive scheme is going to be? Will you lean to a base 3-4 much of the time?
    -ALLEN: We certainly are going to have that ability. And you guys will see once we get into OTAs and mini-camp.
    We’re going to be multiple. I think the best thing that you can do is give different looks to the offense and make them prepare for different things, and yet make it simple enough for you that you can execute those things.
    -Q: Is the key to that having outside guys who can play either LB or DE, depending on the alignment?
    -ALLEN: It certainly makes it easier. I like having players that have versatility. I like having some ends that can stand up and drop and rush and do different things. I like linebackers that you can put their hand on the ground and make them a fourth rusher on sub downs.
    You can’t have a team of guys that are versatile players. ‘Cause they have to have certain qualities–defensive tackle, you’ve got to be able to come off the ball and hold up against those big offensive guards and tackles and play the run…
    But having those little tools, where you can move guys around, it’s fun as a coordinator.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Tod McShay already did his 2013 mock draft. He is predicting the Raiders get the 6th pick and take Barkley.

    Let’s take a look at McShay’s mock.

    No. 6, Oakland Raiders

    USC quarterback Matt Barkley

    My take: Another USC quarterback to Oakland. I could see it. But I have a feeling Barkley is going to be drafted first or second. I don’t see Oakland getting close to being able to draft him.

  • alzadoX

    Kawakami interview and beat writer post draft interviews also make me feel more comfortable about the “god squad factor” which I have no problem with if it’s not overdone, but I was a little nervous about, feeling more comfortable now.

    -Q: Reggie was asked about this and answered it–the issue of faith in putting together a roster, and what that means for a locker room.
    So many of your picks have strong religious faith. Without going too heavily into this, how big a part of the process is that for you guys?
    -ALLEN: Here’s what I think, I think we’re going to take into account football character and off-field character. We want good guys on this team, all right?
    Now, we’re not looking for a team full of choir boys. But we are looking for guys that are going to be dependable on the field and that we can also depend on off the field, that aren’t going to be involved in a lot of personal issues and a lot of personal trouble.
    I think that kind of goes hand in hand. Usually guys of good character, there’s a faith-based background to the way they were brought up.

  • r8eray

    SR Raider Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    Newton > Palmer > Campbell > Teblow > Pryor=Leinart >> Russell (overall). Just my opinion from their college careers

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    Now…for the people who didn’t take algebra, geometry, trigonometry, and calculus?

    Lol….

  • r8eray

    Barkley is a devout Christian and plays acoustic guitar with a church youth group. His father Les co-owns an insurance business with his brother in-law. While he was a student at Mater Dei, Barkley’s parents started the Monarchs for Marines (M4M) campaign, where hundreds of Mater Dei students, coaches and parents volunteered to landscape and renovate youth areas on nearby Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton. Barkley had a 3.77 GPA in high school and frequently speaks to young students about the importance of staying on top of school work.[40] His cousin, Robbie Boyer, was a walk-on at USC during Barkley’s freshman, sophomore, and junior years.[8] During his Christmas holiday in 2008, Barkley went with a group of friends and family to help run an orphanage in South Africa.[13][16] Barkley also appears on I Am Second, sharing the story of his Christian faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

    Oh yeah…he’ll be Raider all right!

    ;)

    “SWEET BABY JESUS!”

  • AmysInCharge

    Kawakami is ok but dont leave him alone with your cat,..just sayin.

  • r8eray

    Bob..buddy, how you doing this fine evening?

  • AmysInCharge

    Im doin awesome bro. Hows you? What games you coming to?…me and Brien will be hosting in A lot, as usual,..be there!

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Since some of you don’t read all the posts…from #27

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    As far as Kelly and/or Seymour playing nose its just to give the Offense a different look…to have more to prepare for the week leading up to a game…

    The job of a Nose is to not give ground and take up two blocks…if he can do that…it’s a win for the defense…Tommy Kelly has this ability…and a motivated Seymour does as well…..

    Any time spent preparing for different fronts by our opponents is time taken away from their other preparation.

    WIN WIN situation…

    Another way to look at it is if we had a prototypical Nose of 350+ pounds he would give an indication pre snap of our intention before we line up…

    Coach Allen wants to be multiple…moving in and out of fronts prior to the snap….

    Some of you should just listen…just sayin’

  • AmysInCharge

    Hey man, we dont give a rip about nose tackles in the first week of May. Get a life man, enjoy the summer.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Amy, are you speaking for everyone?

  • AmysInCharge

    I always do.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Cool, nice to meet ya…I will enjoy my summer…always do!

    ;)

  • Raidernationdave

    Come to think of it but it somewhat early in the year to be worried about who’s gonna be playin’ NT.

    If it’s August and TK’s name is being mentioned for NT then it’s panic time!

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Nope…Dave…I disagree

    Respectfully of course.

  • Seymour Bush

    ALLEN: But we are looking for guys that are going to be dependable on the field and that we can also depend on off the field, that aren’t going to be involved in a lot of personal issues and a lot of personal trouble.
    ===========================================

    Translation from coachspeak: Bye Bye So-longo McLame.

  • joker94583

    Keep dreaming about Barkley being a Raider. They have no 1st round picks and they will have a decent 8-8 or 9-7 record. It’s a nice dream though. I can’t believe they didn’t sign Clemmens as a UFA.

  • Raiders for life

    Translation from coachspeak: Bye Bye So-longo McLame.

    ##################

    Personally, I hope the kid does a 180. If not, fk him he won’t be a Raider anymore.

  • Seymour Bush

    Raiders for life Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Translation from coachspeak: Bye Bye So-longo McLame.

    ##################

    Personally, I hope the kid does a 180. If not, fk him he won’t be a Raider anymore.
    ==================================================

    I hope so as well. Aaron Curry came here and played well for the Raiders. McLame really didn’t. And he has off field issues. Judging from the way the front office and coaches are putting the team together, McLame is looking like one of those “wrong system fits”.

  • J R Myers

    AmysInCharge Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    Hey man, we dont give a rip about nose tackles in the first week of May. Get a life man, enjoy the summer.
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    Ever wonder why you never catch a break?? It’s call Lack Of Planning!

  • hellsbells

    We have a or unless we go to he AFC champ. Game. But Barkley will o one overall.

  • hellsbells

    One, go sorry

  • UCLA Raiders

    Good interview by our young HC.
    We will sign a once big time vet RB soon. Taiwan has not impressed . He runs too much east west and is not a blocker either. He also sucks as a returner. And Goodson is suspect w his fumbling history. Reports has it Benson is coming in but don’t rule our Ryan Grant who Reggie drafted.

  • hellsbells

    Need a good hort yardage back, although Dmac runs hard and should get more looks around the goal line.

  • Raider J

    “we’re going to have everybody compete and the best players are going to play and that’s how we’re going to stack the depth chart up.” Allen

    I believe this statement from a Raider HC for the first time ever.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    We can get someone better than Benson or Grant if we wait…

    Neither of these men are an answer for this team…IMO

  • Raider J

    Discipline, accountability, 1yr contracts. Raiders will be playing for their jobs from day 1. The players see how Reggie Mac is cleaning house.

  • Try Some Reality

    Plunketthead Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    priesttj Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    actually I’ll take that back he can do a helluva lot better than anything Tebow did.

    Because he is black?

    ==============================================

    I don’t take Priest for a bigot. Mistic on the other hand…

  • JLofty

    @147: who we gunna get at RB that’s better than Ryan Grant? AND if that were to provide itself how’s we gunna pay him?
    Ryan Grant is a solid back and we’d do well to have him on the roster. I like the youngster though. They’re hungry. I think that Lonae Miller kid might have some chops. I am not too worried about RB. We need some more LBs and the CBs are a huge wait and see thing….