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Report: Shaun Herock to join personnel department

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.

According to longtime Packers beat writer Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee, the Raiders’ scouting overhaul will include the hiring of Green Bay scout Shaun Herock.

Shaun Herock, 41, is the son of former Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons executive Ken Herock. Ken Herock was a regular presence at the club facility following the death of owner Al Davis last Oct. 8 in role that was described as “a friend of the family.”

Wilde wrote about the possibility of Shaun Herock joining the Raiders following the dismissal of Jon Kingdon, then said sources had indicated the deal was done on his Twitter account Wednesday.

I’ve since learned Wilde’s report is correct _ Herock will be part of the Raiders scouting staff.

McKenzie has a long background with Shaun Herock with the Packers, as he does with Eliot Wolf, the son of former Raiders executive Ron Wolf. Ken Herock and Ron Wolf worked together in Oakland, with Ken Herock following Ron Wolf to the expansion Buccaneers as the director of player personnel. There has been speculation that Eliot Wolf could eventually join the Raiders, as well as speculation that he could ascend to McKenzie’s post of director of football operations with Green Bay.

As of now, the Raiders have only confirmed Kingdon’s departure. It was learned Tuesday night the Raiders planned to add Raleigh McKenzie, Reggie’s twin brother, to the personnel department and that 31-year veteran Bruce Kebric would not be retained.

The moves are similar to Reggie McKenzie’s sentiments when he dismissed coach Hue Jackson. At the time McKenzie said he wanted “his guy.” He is appears to be using the same philosophy to the department he would in theory know best.

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  • fingers

    Sad story to the end of Juniors life……hope he’s in peace now ..

  • Hot Shot

    I deal with depression and stress every day and its not easy.It slowly kills you and that,s without pain pills cause I refuse to take them.To me they will mess you up even more.I understand what depression and stress dose to your mind and body.

  • Hot Shot

    New post!!

  • downsouthraider

    Guys came on this blog earlier today about to have a fukn cow because Big Reg is making changes in the scouting dept. I know it’s hard for some of you to let go of the past. If this area of the origination was so great why in the hell did we have such a pathetic record the past 10 years!! Looking forward to the season.

  • Raider guy

    Amen 54

  • joker94583

    Gee big surprise there. (Sarcasm)

  • alzadoX

    · Just Fire Baby Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    TK as NT, sounds like a lot of 4-3, or some funky 2-4-5 or something.
    Does not sound like in any way a standard 3-4.

    *****

    Jerry’s main takeaway does not quite/fully match up with the interview imo:

    -Q: Do you have a nose tackle right now in a 3-4?
    -ALLEN: (Smiles.) Yeah.
    -Q: Tommy Kelly?
    -ALLEN: He can do it.
    -Q: That’s pretty important.
    -ALLEN: Yeah, you’ve got to have one of those guys. And I think we’ve got a couple guys on the team that have the versatility that they could be a 4-3 nose and a 3-4 nose.

    —-

    when I read the interview, I see, primarily, that Allen says we have at least a couple guys on the team that can play NT. 3-4 NT and/or 4-3 NT. Kawakami asks a leading question whether Tommy Kelly is one of them, and Allen confirms he is. But that doesn’t even indicate a change from Kelly’s roles in the past in a 4-3, where he often lined up square on the center, ie “4-3 NT”. He lined up at 3, 1, & 0 technique in the past. When the Raiders lined up someone as 4-3 NT, it was usually Kelly, but the other DTs lined up there too at times. It’s a matter of a few feet or inches to one side of another, but more importantly whether you’re lining up square on the nose of an OL or shading to a gap.

    The only fully new thing here is that Kelly could also play NT in 3-4 alignment

    Obviously Allen thinks there is at least one other player on the roster who can play NT, in 3-4 and/or 4-3

    A lot of people, myself included, felt that adding a new run stuffing NT/DT was a key for Raiders and help stabilize a DL that has some good personnel on hand for other roles

    But Allen–and, as shown by the draft, most of the rest of the NFL, has different ideas.

    It’s becoming more and more of a passing league, and teams are becoming less and less willing to sacrifice pass rush for a DL who is primarily a run stuffer. Of course, those pass rushers also need to be able to stop the run to have a successful defense, but run stuffing specialists aren’t valued in the NFL nearly as much as they were even a year or two ago

  • alzadoX

    · Hot Shot Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    What did Denver run last year on D.

    ****
    I have done a little research re: Broncos’ D last year and can shed a little light here, but I’m not an expert on Denver’s D last year

    Denver ran a “multiple” defense that was primarily a 4-3 in Allen’s only season as D-Coord.

    The primary NT (4-3 NT) was Broderick Bunkely. A recent acquisition by the Broncos whose previous career arc was a mildly disappointing #1 draft pick, most knowledgeable observers said Bunkely had a career year last year as an important cog in Denver’s D.

    Bunkely is about 6-2 and about 310 lbs I believe. He was a productive run stuffer and a little help on the pass rush.

    The most important thing is how he was utilized. And it was different than the traditional (disappearing?) NT role. Rather than always sitting at the line and occupying multiple blockers and always having 2-gap responsibility, Bunkley often played on the move, and sometimes his role was to penetrate gaps rather than always sit at the line and occupy blockers. He made quite a few plays in the backfield. Denver mixed it up, kept the offense guessing. Allen calls it “multiple”. This seems to be a trend in the NFL, Allen appears to be on the cutting edge, and most of us blog Semi’s are far behind. So who are we to second guess Allen?

    Obviously Bunkely has a much lower base than the 6-5 to 6-6 Kelly. Bunkely was known as a strong anchor player. Bunkely was considered by far the best 4-3 NT available in free agency , and signed with New Orleans for over $5 million per year I believe. Physically, Lamar Houston would be the Raiders’ DL who most closely resembles Bunkely , for what it’s worth. Travis Ivey is a former practice squad player who is listed only as a NT. The Raiders are supposedly high on him.

    Allen took over a D that was worse than awful in 2010 (remember 59 pts Raiders win, Broncos worst D in NFL) and improved them to 20th and good enough to keep Tim Tebow in games and win 1st round playoffs. However, the Broncos had pass rushing LB Von Miller 2nd pick in 2011 draft, and RDE/LB Elvis Dumerville back after being out injured in 2010. The Raiders’ D hasn’t had comparable impact players, or even “difference makers” in awhile. I have high hopes that Sho’Nasty, and maybe Tyvon Branch, Ron Bartell, and others can approach that level, but we sure need some players to step up and really stand out on D, imo

  • alzadoX

    # Raider Riff Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Screw Tim Kawakami. I hate that guy.
    *****

    In the past I’ve thought Kawakami was an inflammatory schmuck, but this is a pretty damn good interview. Gets Dennis Allen to go far beyond cliches and the completely obvious for the first time, though it more confirms common sense speculation than really giving insight.

    Was letting the first real interview be done by Kawakami, who has in past had such a contentious relationship with Raider Nation an olive branch extended by Raiders HQ, or are Cork and Jerry jealous?

    A main takeaway from interview to me:

    -Q: We’re going to keep asking you this–do you have a feel for what your primary defensive scheme is going to be? Will you lean to a base 3-4 much of the time?
    -ALLEN: We certainly are going to have that ability. And you guys will see once we get into OTAs and mini-camp.
    We’re going to be multiple. I think the best thing that you can do is give different looks to the offense and make them prepare for different things, and yet make it simple enough for you that you can execute those things.
    -Q: Is the key to that having outside guys who can play either LB or DE, depending on the alignment?
    -ALLEN: It certainly makes it easier. I like having players that have versatility. I like having some ends that can stand up and drop and rush and do different things. I like linebackers that you can put their hand on the ground and make them a fourth rusher on sub downs.
    You can’t have a team of guys that are versatile players. ‘Cause they have to have certain qualities–defensive tackle, you’ve got to be able to come off the ball and hold up against those big offensive guards and tackles and play the run…
    But having those little tools, where you can move guys around, it’s fun as a coordinator.

    Here’s a link to Kawakami’s column which includes a a transcript of his talk with Allen.

  • Raidernationdave

    Report: Shaun Herock to join personnel department

    By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
    Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.

    According to longtime Packers beat writer Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee, the Raiders’ scouting overhaul will include the hiring of Green Bay scout Shaun Herock.

    Shaun Herock, 41, is the son of former Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons executive Ken Herock. Ken Herock was a regular presence at the club facility following the death of owner Al Davis last Oct. 8 in role that was described as “a friend of the family.”

    Wilde wrote about the possibility of Shaun Herock joining the Raiders following the dismissal of Jon Kingdon, then said sources had indicated the deal was done on his Twitter account Wednesday.

    I’ve since learned Wilde’s report is correct _ Herock will be part of the Raiders scouting staff.

    McKenzie has a long background with Shaun Herock with the Packers, as he does with Eliot Wolf, the son of former Raiders executive Ron Wolf. Ken Herock and Ron Wolf worked together in Oakland, with Ken Herock following Ron Wolf to the expansion Buccaneers as the director of player personnel. There has been speculation that Eliot Wolf could eventually join the Raiders, as well as speculation that he could ascend to McKenzie’s post of director of football operations with Green Bay.

    As of now, the Raiders have only confirmed Kingdon’s departure. It was learned Tuesday night the Raiders planned to add Raleigh McKenzie, Reggie’s twin brother, to the personnel department and that 31-year veteran Bruce Kebric would not be retained.

    The moves are similar to Reggie McKenzie’s sentiments when he dismissed coach Hue Jackson. At the time McKenzie said he wanted “his guy.” He is appears to be using the same philosophy to the department he would in theory know best.

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    Can I get a what, what?

  • Raidernationdave

    Sounds like the Raiders scored a real quality guy to be in the Scouting Dept.

    It’s these kind’a behind the scenes that build championship teams.

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