Report: Shaun Herock to join personnel department
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.
According to longtime Packers beat writer Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee, the Raiders’ scouting overhaul will include the hiring of Green Bay scout Shaun Herock.
Shaun Herock, 41, is the son of former Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons executive Ken Herock. Ken Herock was a regular presence at the club facility following the death of owner Al Davis last Oct. 8 in role that was described as “a friend of the family.”
Wilde wrote about the possibility of Shaun Herock joining the Raiders following the dismissal of Jon Kingdon, then said sources had indicated the deal was done on his Twitter account Wednesday.
I’ve since learned Wilde’s report is correct _ Herock will be part of the Raiders scouting staff.
McKenzie has a long background with Shaun Herock with the Packers, as he does with Eliot Wolf, the son of former Raiders executive Ron Wolf. Ken Herock and Ron Wolf worked together in Oakland, with Ken Herock following Ron Wolf to the expansion Buccaneers as the director of player personnel. There has been speculation that Eliot Wolf could eventually join the Raiders, as well as speculation that he could ascend to McKenzie’s post of director of football operations with Green Bay.
As of now, the Raiders have only confirmed Kingdon’s departure. It was learned Tuesday night the Raiders planned to add Raleigh McKenzie, Reggie’s twin brother, to the personnel department and that 31-year veteran Bruce Kebric would not be retained.
The moves are similar to Reggie McKenzie’s sentiments when he dismissed coach Hue Jackson. At the time McKenzie said he wanted “his guy.” He is appears to be using the same philosophy to the department he would in theory know best.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Who?
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Cool.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Herock is a solid addition.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Raider O Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Vegas,
It’s a chemical imbalance. Has nothing to do with education, being smart, having a family, etc…
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Yup. I’m shocked at VR for not being up to speed on this issue considering he is the google king on here.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
It is not just about wealth O.
He went to college, one of the best in his state. He was smart. He was admired and loved by strangers. He WAS wealthy. He was good-looking, and had plenty of options and avenues in life. Had two kids to cherish, who I am sure loved their daddy.
I am sure it wasn’t all peachy, but man I can’t see it.
There are thousands if not millions of people who get molested, have no money, family hates them, no kids, no future, and they keep plowing along.
Than there is Seau. Maybe the most accomplished and wealthiest athlete to ever kill himself.
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Wealthy people get cancer and heart disease, too. They can also be bipolar. They also bleed real blood. Just so you know.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
It is not just about wealth O.
He went to college, one of the best in his state. He was smart. He was admired and loved by strangers. He WAS wealthy. He was good-looking, and had plenty of options and avenues in life. Had two kids to cherish, who I am sure loved their daddy.
I am sure it wasn’t all peachy, but man I can’t see it.
There are thousands if not millions of people who get molested, have no money, family hates them, no kids, no future, and they keep plowing along.
Than there is Seau. Maybe the most accomplished and wealthiest athlete to ever kill himself.
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Vegas,
It’s a chemical imbalance. Has nothing to do with education, being smart, having a family, etc…
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Well there we go, we brought in an old Raider family name.
Should dispel some of the “gutting this place” mentality. We just added an old school Raider name to the top of the new organizational staff.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
If it was a chemical imbalance for these guys, than AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, would do it while they are playing.
It may be a predisposed chemical imbalance, but they make the cognitive decision to kill themselves, and it usually is once the sun has set on them being a prominent name.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Aig,
Some people choose not to believe and ignore the facts. We used to do lobotomies and electric shock therapy.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
And for the record, all these people that now can draw their social security early to newly being labeled “disabled” due to depression, are some serious sissies too.
This is the plight of our country. People will hear of Seau, and want to council him, study him, study the study, and diagnose and rediagnose him, when all he really needs is one of his former teammates to slap him and tell him to be a fkn man.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
If it was a chemical imbalance for these guys, than AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, would do it while they are playing.
It may be a predisposed chemical imbalance, but they make the cognitive decision to kill themselves, and it usually is once the sun has set on them being a prominent name.
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Mental illness progresses over time. Most of the time it is very slow, and environmental factors trigger episodes – after which the brain rarely fully recovers.
It sounds to me like you just need to read up on the nature of mental illness. But rest assured, it is a real thing that can affect anyone.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
when all he really needs is one of his former teammates to slap him and tell him to be a fkn man.
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This is BY FAR the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. And believe you me, I’ve read some DUMB s*** here.
C’mon man. I respect your opinion on football, but you really need to educate yourself on this particular topic.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Perhaps, Seau needed the game more than the game needed him. He kept on trying to hang on forever if I recall correctly. He needed a purpose in life. Football has been part of him for so long that he gets depressed knowing he no longer can be the man he once was. Some handle that better than others.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I for one, have severly struggled with different addictions in my life, from when I was 15 years old to somewhat recently. I have sat in the leather chair about it, been studied, diagnosed and been subscribed prescription anti-depressants. None of it worked.
You know what worked? My wife slapping me and telling me she is about to leave if I don’t get it together.
Guess what, THAT worked!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
There was a lot speculation a couple of weeks ago that, since Reggie hadn’t hired any new scouts, was a testament to Mr Davis’ drafting and scouting ability……….well?
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Rest In Peace Junior Seau. My prayers goes out to the Seau family and his precious children. What a tragedy. Seau only living to the age of 43 had not really began to life his life to the fullest. GOD BLESS the Seau family.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
We are talking about depression and not suicide.
Depression is a mental illness.
Suicide is an action (usually) due to depression which is a mental illness.
Not everyone who commits suicide is depressed, and not not all depressed people commit suicide.
There are also different types of depression and different stages/ degrees.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
You know what worked? My wife slapping me and telling me she is about to leave if I don’t get it together.
Guess what, THAT worked!!!
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Glad you got your issues resolved. But the human body is not a machine, not everyone needs the same remedy.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Imagine if your life just stopped and you couldnt do any of the stuff you have done all your life due to injuries.Cant hold or play with your children cant do anything funCant work.It kills a man slowly.Its like torture.The pain gets bad where you cant sleep and depression make it where it hard to eat as well.That Just sucks its hard to live that way.Some people cant handle that and they think killing their self ends the pain So thats a sad deal.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
We’re all sentient beings. All of Us. Can you imagine the pain and mental anguish he must have been in?
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Im glad it all worked out for you Vegas.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
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May 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
The Raiders now have a big Wang.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
Perhaps, Seau needed the game more than the game needed him. He kept on trying to hang on forever if I recall correctly. He needed a purpose in life. Football has been part of him for so long that he gets depressed knowing he no longer can be the man he once was. Some handle that better than others.
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That happens to people. Remember that guy who pulled baby Jessica out of that well near Midland, TX? (assuming your as old as me – lol) He could never move on with a life out of the spotlight.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
But the human body is not a machine, not everyone needs the same remedy.
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I guess.
I can ANYBODY understand being depressed, even clinically depressed. But to kill yourself, that is waaaaay beyond the scope of depression, IMO.
Just my opinion. I read this really intersting book The Power of Habit (for my addictions) and the interesting things the brain remembers due to habits, even those with ALS and dementia.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
It’s not like suicide is like some kind of Endzone celebration
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Tim Kawakami interviews Dennis Allen:
* He wouldn’t commit on the 3-4 or 4-3 defensive scheme question, and said the Raiders will be a multiple defense. But when I asked if he has a nose tackle on the roster, he smiled and immediately said he absolutely did.
Tommy Kelly? Yep.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/05/02/raiders-coach-dennis-allen-on-leinartpryor-defensive-schemes-and-the-ideal-drew-brees/
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Im glad it all worked out for you Vegas.
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You know, it is a daily struggle, not to get too weird or anything.
So I completely understand mental anguish, and the power the brain can have on you, how it can OVERPOWER you.
But killing yourself is something I think you have the power to overcome, pretty easily, if you want to. There is no endorphins realeased, you’ve never done it before, there is no bad habit, you just die.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Junior would have made the Hall of fame. Wow.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
LMAO at KoolKell #26
That’s funny
is it too soon to make jokes…..I remember when Curt Kobain killed himself there were suicide jokes out the next day.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
you guys will find out what depression is all about if or when you get injured trust me.your mind changes and anger and frustration can take you over cause of lack of sleep not eating and everyone around you has a life but you.I do agree that suicide not the answer but there is people off worse than I am and its a hard deal.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Good interview for Tim K.
I like this Allen dude as my HC. He seems to get “it”, but you can have “it” and still suck on Sundays.
I am eager for the year though.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
HGDaddy Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Tim Kawakami interviews Dennis Allen:
* He wouldn’t commit on the 3-4 or 4-3 defensive scheme question, and said the Raiders will be a multiple defense. But when I asked if he has a nose tackle on the roster, he smiled and immediately said he absolutely did.
Tommy Kelly? Yep.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/05/02/raiders-coach-dennis-allen-on-leinartpryor-defensive-schemes-and-the-ideal-drew-brees/
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Very interesting stuff, thanks for the link.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
TK as NT, sounds like a lot of 4-3, or some funky 2-4-5 or something.
Does not sound like in any way a standard 3-4.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
What did Denver run last year on D.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
damn. I cant keep up with the constant new articles.
If anyone wants my take on this ordeal, look at my last two posts of the last two articles.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Screw Tim Kawakami. I hate that guy.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
-Q: Do you have a nose tackle right now in a 3-4?
-ALLEN: (Smiles.) Yeah.
-Q: Tommy Kelly?
-ALLEN: He can do it.
-Q: That’s pretty important.
-ALLEN: Yeah, you’ve got to have one of those guys. And I think we’ve got a couple guys on the team that have the versatility that they could be a 4-3 nose and a 3-4 nose.
-Q: Seems like a couple of those athletic guys you drafted could play the line in either scheme…
-ALLEN: Absolutely.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
That happens to people. Remember that guy who pulled baby Jessica out of that well near Midland, TX? (assuming your as old as me – lol) He could never move on with a life out of the spotlight.
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Yes I remember the incident and I remember reading about that guy as well.
“The man who rescued Jessica, paramedic Robert O’Donnell did not fare as well. Family members say he couldn’t handle the praise or the pressure of instant stardom. He began abusing painkillers, and eventually committed suicide.”
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Vegas
It’s a way out. Just like drugs. Speaking of drugs, where is my bong?
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Just my opinion. I read this really intersting book The Power of Habit (for my addictions) and the interesting things the brain remembers due to habits, even those with ALS and dementia.
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I have a huge addiction problem. If I like something, I’ll latch on to it forever. My solution is to just stay away from stuff that I know would get me in trouble. Knowing that, I have never dared touching any weeds or ecstasy pills. I know weeds is not addicting but I would be smoking it all day long if I ever get a taste for it.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
“Screw Tim Kawakami. I hate that guy.”
Agreed!!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The Power of Habit, highly recommend it to any person struggling with addiction and also for any sales guy, as it is somewhat of sales book as well.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I’m addicted to weed. Does that count as addiction? lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Pass the binger to the left-biddy-bum-bum boom
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I’m addicted to weed. Does that count as addiction? lol
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It does if you tell yourself the night before, I don’t want to get high before I go to work tomorrow, and the next morning you are making excuses for yourself to get high before work.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
LOL Vegas.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
The picture of Wang looks like he just got caught robbing a bank lol
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
“I’m addicted to weed. Does that count as addiction?”
Its not an addiction its a necessity.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Not sure yet about this Allen guy. He seems pretty hard nosed, very dedicated and passionate about football. I hope he has the leadership qualities this team needs. No more nice guy, friendly caveman 30 somethings. These guys need someone they respect, not want to go have beers with. The organizations a family, but if you screw up you still need to know that grandma will smash you over the head with a rolling pin!
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Sad story to the end of Juniors life……hope he’s in peace now ..
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I deal with depression and stress every day and its not easy.It slowly kills you and that,s without pain pills cause I refuse to take them.To me they will mess you up even more.I understand what depression and stress dose to your mind and body.
May 2nd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
New post!!
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Guys came on this blog earlier today about to have a fukn cow because Big Reg is making changes in the scouting dept. I know it’s hard for some of you to let go of the past. If this area of the origination was so great why in the hell did we have such a pathetic record the past 10 years!! Looking forward to the season.
May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Amen 54
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Gee big surprise there. (Sarcasm)
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
· Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
TK as NT, sounds like a lot of 4-3, or some funky 2-4-5 or something.
Does not sound like in any way a standard 3-4.
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Jerry’s main takeaway does not quite/fully match up with the interview imo:
-Q: Do you have a nose tackle right now in a 3-4?
-ALLEN: (Smiles.) Yeah.
-Q: Tommy Kelly?
-ALLEN: He can do it.
-Q: That’s pretty important.
-ALLEN: Yeah, you’ve got to have one of those guys. And I think we’ve got a couple guys on the team that have the versatility that they could be a 4-3 nose and a 3-4 nose.
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when I read the interview, I see, primarily, that Allen says we have at least a couple guys on the team that can play NT. 3-4 NT and/or 4-3 NT. Kawakami asks a leading question whether Tommy Kelly is one of them, and Allen confirms he is. But that doesn’t even indicate a change from Kelly’s roles in the past in a 4-3, where he often lined up square on the center, ie “4-3 NT”. He lined up at 3, 1, & 0 technique in the past. When the Raiders lined up someone as 4-3 NT, it was usually Kelly, but the other DTs lined up there too at times. It’s a matter of a few feet or inches to one side of another, but more importantly whether you’re lining up square on the nose of an OL or shading to a gap.
The only fully new thing here is that Kelly could also play NT in 3-4 alignment
Obviously Allen thinks there is at least one other player on the roster who can play NT, in 3-4 and/or 4-3
A lot of people, myself included, felt that adding a new run stuffing NT/DT was a key for Raiders and help stabilize a DL that has some good personnel on hand for other roles
But Allen–and, as shown by the draft, most of the rest of the NFL, has different ideas.
It’s becoming more and more of a passing league, and teams are becoming less and less willing to sacrifice pass rush for a DL who is primarily a run stuffer. Of course, those pass rushers also need to be able to stop the run to have a successful defense, but run stuffing specialists aren’t valued in the NFL nearly as much as they were even a year or two ago
May 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
· Hot Shot Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
What did Denver run last year on D.
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I have done a little research re: Broncos’ D last year and can shed a little light here, but I’m not an expert on Denver’s D last year
Denver ran a “multiple” defense that was primarily a 4-3 in Allen’s only season as D-Coord.
The primary NT (4-3 NT) was Broderick Bunkely. A recent acquisition by the Broncos whose previous career arc was a mildly disappointing #1 draft pick, most knowledgeable observers said Bunkely had a career year last year as an important cog in Denver’s D.
Bunkely is about 6-2 and about 310 lbs I believe. He was a productive run stuffer and a little help on the pass rush.
The most important thing is how he was utilized. And it was different than the traditional (disappearing?) NT role. Rather than always sitting at the line and occupying multiple blockers and always having 2-gap responsibility, Bunkley often played on the move, and sometimes his role was to penetrate gaps rather than always sit at the line and occupy blockers. He made quite a few plays in the backfield. Denver mixed it up, kept the offense guessing. Allen calls it “multiple”. This seems to be a trend in the NFL, Allen appears to be on the cutting edge, and most of us blog Semi’s are far behind. So who are we to second guess Allen?
Obviously Bunkely has a much lower base than the 6-5 to 6-6 Kelly. Bunkely was known as a strong anchor player. Bunkely was considered by far the best 4-3 NT available in free agency , and signed with New Orleans for over $5 million per year I believe. Physically, Lamar Houston would be the Raiders’ DL who most closely resembles Bunkely , for what it’s worth. Travis Ivey is a former practice squad player who is listed only as a NT. The Raiders are supposedly high on him.
Allen took over a D that was worse than awful in 2010 (remember 59 pts Raiders win, Broncos worst D in NFL) and improved them to 20th and good enough to keep Tim Tebow in games and win 1st round playoffs. However, the Broncos had pass rushing LB Von Miller 2nd pick in 2011 draft, and RDE/LB Elvis Dumerville back after being out injured in 2010. The Raiders’ D hasn’t had comparable impact players, or even “difference makers” in awhile. I have high hopes that Sho’Nasty, and maybe Tyvon Branch, Ron Bartell, and others can approach that level, but we sure need some players to step up and really stand out on D, imo
May 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
# Raider Riff Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Screw Tim Kawakami. I hate that guy.
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In the past I’ve thought Kawakami was an inflammatory schmuck, but this is a pretty damn good interview. Gets Dennis Allen to go far beyond cliches and the completely obvious for the first time, though it more confirms common sense speculation than really giving insight.
Was letting the first real interview be done by Kawakami, who has in past had such a contentious relationship with Raider Nation an olive branch extended by Raiders HQ, or are Cork and Jerry jealous?
A main takeaway from interview to me:
-Q: We’re going to keep asking you this–do you have a feel for what your primary defensive scheme is going to be? Will you lean to a base 3-4 much of the time?
-ALLEN: We certainly are going to have that ability. And you guys will see once we get into OTAs and mini-camp.
We’re going to be multiple. I think the best thing that you can do is give different looks to the offense and make them prepare for different things, and yet make it simple enough for you that you can execute those things.
-Q: Is the key to that having outside guys who can play either LB or DE, depending on the alignment?
-ALLEN: It certainly makes it easier. I like having players that have versatility. I like having some ends that can stand up and drop and rush and do different things. I like linebackers that you can put their hand on the ground and make them a fourth rusher on sub downs.
You can’t have a team of guys that are versatile players. ‘Cause they have to have certain qualities–defensive tackle, you’ve got to be able to come off the ball and hold up against those big offensive guards and tackles and play the run…
But having those little tools, where you can move guys around, it’s fun as a coordinator.
Here’s a link to Kawakami’s column which includes a a transcript of his talk with Allen.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Report: Shaun Herock to join personnel department
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.
According to longtime Packers beat writer Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee, the Raiders’ scouting overhaul will include the hiring of Green Bay scout Shaun Herock.
Shaun Herock, 41, is the son of former Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons executive Ken Herock. Ken Herock was a regular presence at the club facility following the death of owner Al Davis last Oct. 8 in role that was described as “a friend of the family.”
Wilde wrote about the possibility of Shaun Herock joining the Raiders following the dismissal of Jon Kingdon, then said sources had indicated the deal was done on his Twitter account Wednesday.
I’ve since learned Wilde’s report is correct _ Herock will be part of the Raiders scouting staff.
McKenzie has a long background with Shaun Herock with the Packers, as he does with Eliot Wolf, the son of former Raiders executive Ron Wolf. Ken Herock and Ron Wolf worked together in Oakland, with Ken Herock following Ron Wolf to the expansion Buccaneers as the director of player personnel. There has been speculation that Eliot Wolf could eventually join the Raiders, as well as speculation that he could ascend to McKenzie’s post of director of football operations with Green Bay.
As of now, the Raiders have only confirmed Kingdon’s departure. It was learned Tuesday night the Raiders planned to add Raleigh McKenzie, Reggie’s twin brother, to the personnel department and that 31-year veteran Bruce Kebric would not be retained.
The moves are similar to Reggie McKenzie’s sentiments when he dismissed coach Hue Jackson. At the time McKenzie said he wanted “his guy.” He is appears to be using the same philosophy to the department he would in theory know best.
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Can I get a what, what?
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Sounds like the Raiders scored a real quality guy to be in the Scouting Dept.
It’s these kind’a behind the scenes that build championship teams.
May 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
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