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Report: Shaun Herock to join personnel department

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.

According to longtime Packers beat writer Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee, the Raiders’ scouting overhaul will include the hiring of Green Bay scout Shaun Herock.

Shaun Herock, 41, is the son of former Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons executive Ken Herock. Ken Herock was a regular presence at the club facility following the death of owner Al Davis last Oct. 8 in role that was described as “a friend of the family.”

Wilde wrote about the possibility of Shaun Herock joining the Raiders following the dismissal of Jon Kingdon, then said sources had indicated the deal was done on his Twitter account Wednesday.

I’ve since learned Wilde’s report is correct _ Herock will be part of the Raiders scouting staff.

McKenzie has a long background with Shaun Herock with the Packers, as he does with Eliot Wolf, the son of former Raiders executive Ron Wolf. Ken Herock and Ron Wolf worked together in Oakland, with Ken Herock following Ron Wolf to the expansion Buccaneers as the director of player personnel. There has been speculation that Eliot Wolf could eventually join the Raiders, as well as speculation that he could ascend to McKenzie’s post of director of football operations with Green Bay.

As of now, the Raiders have only confirmed Kingdon’s departure. It was learned Tuesday night the Raiders planned to add Raleigh McKenzie, Reggie’s twin brother, to the personnel department and that 31-year veteran Bruce Kebric would not be retained.

The moves are similar to Reggie McKenzie’s sentiments when he dismissed coach Hue Jackson. At the time McKenzie said he wanted “his guy.” He is appears to be using the same philosophy to the department he would in theory know best.

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  • RaidingTexas

    Who?

  • aig-raiders

    Cool.

  • YoungAmerican

    Herock is a solid addition.

  • aig-raiders

    Raider O Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Vegas,

    It’s a chemical imbalance. Has nothing to do with education, being smart, having a family, etc…
    —————–
    Yup. I’m shocked at VR for not being up to speed on this issue considering he is the google king on here.

  • YoungAmerican

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    It is not just about wealth O.

    He went to college, one of the best in his state. He was smart. He was admired and loved by strangers. He WAS wealthy. He was good-looking, and had plenty of options and avenues in life. Had two kids to cherish, who I am sure loved their daddy.

    I am sure it wasn’t all peachy, but man I can’t see it.

    There are thousands if not millions of people who get molested, have no money, family hates them, no kids, no future, and they keep plowing along.

    Than there is Seau. Maybe the most accomplished and wealthiest athlete to ever kill himself.

    =====================

    Wealthy people get cancer and heart disease, too. They can also be bipolar. They also bleed real blood. Just so you know.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    It is not just about wealth O.

    He went to college, one of the best in his state. He was smart. He was admired and loved by strangers. He WAS wealthy. He was good-looking, and had plenty of options and avenues in life. Had two kids to cherish, who I am sure loved their daddy.

    I am sure it wasn’t all peachy, but man I can’t see it.

    There are thousands if not millions of people who get molested, have no money, family hates them, no kids, no future, and they keep plowing along.

    Than there is Seau. Maybe the most accomplished and wealthiest athlete to ever kill himself.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Vegas,

    It’s a chemical imbalance. Has nothing to do with education, being smart, having a family, etc…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Well there we go, we brought in an old Raider family name.

    Should dispel some of the “gutting this place” mentality. We just added an old school Raider name to the top of the new organizational staff.

  • Just Fire Baby

    If it was a chemical imbalance for these guys, than AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, would do it while they are playing.

    It may be a predisposed chemical imbalance, but they make the cognitive decision to kill themselves, and it usually is once the sun has set on them being a prominent name.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Aig,

    Some people choose not to believe and ignore the facts. We used to do lobotomies and electric shock therapy.

  • Just Fire Baby

    And for the record, all these people that now can draw their social security early to newly being labeled “disabled” due to depression, are some serious sissies too.

    This is the plight of our country. People will hear of Seau, and want to council him, study him, study the study, and diagnose and rediagnose him, when all he really needs is one of his former teammates to slap him and tell him to be a fkn man.

  • YoungAmerican

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    If it was a chemical imbalance for these guys, than AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, would do it while they are playing.

    It may be a predisposed chemical imbalance, but they make the cognitive decision to kill themselves, and it usually is once the sun has set on them being a prominent name.

    ============

    Mental illness progresses over time. Most of the time it is very slow, and environmental factors trigger episodes – after which the brain rarely fully recovers.

    It sounds to me like you just need to read up on the nature of mental illness. But rest assured, it is a real thing that can affect anyone.

  • YoungAmerican

    when all he really needs is one of his former teammates to slap him and tell him to be a fkn man.

    =====================

    This is BY FAR the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. And believe you me, I’ve read some DUMB s*** here.

    C’mon man. I respect your opinion on football, but you really need to educate yourself on this particular topic.

  • aig-raiders

    Perhaps, Seau needed the game more than the game needed him. He kept on trying to hang on forever if I recall correctly. He needed a purpose in life. Football has been part of him for so long that he gets depressed knowing he no longer can be the man he once was. Some handle that better than others.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I for one, have severly struggled with different addictions in my life, from when I was 15 years old to somewhat recently. I have sat in the leather chair about it, been studied, diagnosed and been subscribed prescription anti-depressants. None of it worked.

    You know what worked? My wife slapping me and telling me she is about to leave if I don’t get it together.

    Guess what, THAT worked!!!

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    There was a lot speculation a couple of weeks ago that, since Reggie hadn’t hired any new scouts, was a testament to Mr Davis’ drafting and scouting ability……….well?

  • http://InsidetheOaklandRaiders Goldie7

    Rest In Peace Junior Seau. My prayers goes out to the Seau family and his precious children. What a tragedy. Seau only living to the age of 43 had not really began to life his life to the fullest. GOD BLESS the Seau family.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We are talking about depression and not suicide.
    Depression is a mental illness.
    Suicide is an action (usually) due to depression which is a mental illness.
    Not everyone who commits suicide is depressed, and not not all depressed people commit suicide.
    There are also different types of depression and different stages/ degrees.

  • aig-raiders

    You know what worked? My wife slapping me and telling me she is about to leave if I don’t get it together.

    Guess what, THAT worked!!!
    ———-
    Glad you got your issues resolved. But the human body is not a machine, not everyone needs the same remedy.

  • Hot Shot

    Imagine if your life just stopped and you couldnt do any of the stuff you have done all your life due to injuries.Cant hold or play with your children cant do anything funCant work.It kills a man slowly.Its like torture.The pain gets bad where you cant sleep and depression make it where it hard to eat as well.That Just sucks its hard to live that way.Some people cant handle that and they think killing their self ends the pain So thats a sad deal.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    We’re all sentient beings. All of Us. Can you imagine the pain and mental anguish he must have been in?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Im glad it all worked out for you Vegas.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Hey Blog Brahs & KrappyRat

    Just got back from 2 Kewl 4 Skool rehearsal, accidentally kneed my fellow boy band member Larry (the “Smelly Crybaby” personality) in the nads during one of our routines

    Thankfully my kneecap was only slightly bruised

    Yo the grassroots campaign to get 2K4S to play the Halftime Show at the Raiders Home Opener is going hella sweet

    Keep writing in and use these lyrics to Pump Up your weiners:

    Gettin’ so pumped I’m about to drool
    Let’s scream and yell for 2 Kewl 4 Skool
    We’re gonna play halftime of the Raider Game
    And prove that KrappyRat is extremely lame

    THAT’S HOW DEM BIG BOYS DO DOWN IN BEL AIR

  • Kirk

    The Raiders now have a big Wang.

  • RaidingTexas

    Aig-Raiders Says:

    Perhaps, Seau needed the game more than the game needed him. He kept on trying to hang on forever if I recall correctly. He needed a purpose in life. Football has been part of him for so long that he gets depressed knowing he no longer can be the man he once was. Some handle that better than others.

    —————————

    That happens to people. Remember that guy who pulled baby Jessica out of that well near Midland, TX? (assuming your as old as me – lol) He could never move on with a life out of the spotlight.

  • Just Fire Baby

    But the human body is not a machine, not everyone needs the same remedy.

    **************************

    I guess.

    I can ANYBODY understand being depressed, even clinically depressed. But to kill yourself, that is waaaaay beyond the scope of depression, IMO.

    Just my opinion. I read this really intersting book The Power of Habit (for my addictions) and the interesting things the brain remembers due to habits, even those with ALS and dementia.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    It’s not like suicide is like some kind of Endzone celebration

  • HGDaddy

    Tim Kawakami interviews Dennis Allen:
    * He wouldn’t commit on the 3-4 or 4-3 defensive scheme question, and said the Raiders will be a multiple defense. But when I asked if he has a nose tackle on the roster, he smiled and immediately said he absolutely did.
    Tommy Kelly? Yep.

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/05/02/raiders-coach-dennis-allen-on-leinartpryor-defensive-schemes-and-the-ideal-drew-brees/

  • Just Fire Baby

    Im glad it all worked out for you Vegas.

    ************************

    You know, it is a daily struggle, not to get too weird or anything.

    So I completely understand mental anguish, and the power the brain can have on you, how it can OVERPOWER you.

    But killing yourself is something I think you have the power to overcome, pretty easily, if you want to. There is no endorphins realeased, you’ve never done it before, there is no bad habit, you just die.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Junior would have made the Hall of fame. Wow.

  • Silverandblack666

    LMAO at KoolKell #26

    That’s funny

    is it too soon to make jokes…..I remember when Curt Kobain killed himself there were suicide jokes out the next day.

  • Hot Shot

    you guys will find out what depression is all about if or when you get injured trust me.your mind changes and anger and frustration can take you over cause of lack of sleep not eating and everyone around you has a life but you.I do agree that suicide not the answer but there is people off worse than I am and its a hard deal.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Good interview for Tim K.

    I like this Allen dude as my HC. He seems to get “it”, but you can have “it” and still suck on Sundays.

    I am eager for the year though.

  • YoungAmerican

    HGDaddy Says:
    May 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Tim Kawakami interviews Dennis Allen:
    * He wouldn’t commit on the 3-4 or 4-3 defensive scheme question, and said the Raiders will be a multiple defense. But when I asked if he has a nose tackle on the roster, he smiled and immediately said he absolutely did.
    Tommy Kelly? Yep.

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/05/02/raiders-coach-dennis-allen-on-leinartpryor-defensive-schemes-and-the-ideal-drew-brees/

    ====================

    Very interesting stuff, thanks for the link.

  • Just Fire Baby

    TK as NT, sounds like a lot of 4-3, or some funky 2-4-5 or something.

    Does not sound like in any way a standard 3-4.

  • Hot Shot

    What did Denver run last year on D.

  • Raider Riff

    damn. I cant keep up with the constant new articles.

    If anyone wants my take on this ordeal, look at my last two posts of the last two articles.

  • Raider Riff

    Screw Tim Kawakami. I hate that guy.

  • YoungAmerican

    -Q: Do you have a nose tackle right now in a 3-4?

    -ALLEN: (Smiles.) Yeah.

    -Q: Tommy Kelly?

    -ALLEN: He can do it.

    -Q: That’s pretty important.

    -ALLEN: Yeah, you’ve got to have one of those guys. And I think we’ve got a couple guys on the team that have the versatility that they could be a 4-3 nose and a 3-4 nose.

    -Q: Seems like a couple of those athletic guys you drafted could play the line in either scheme…

    -ALLEN: Absolutely.

  • aig-raiders

    That happens to people. Remember that guy who pulled baby Jessica out of that well near Midland, TX? (assuming your as old as me – lol) He could never move on with a life out of the spotlight.
    ————-
    Yes I remember the incident and I remember reading about that guy as well.
    “The man who rescued Jessica, paramedic Robert O’Donnell did not fare as well. Family members say he couldn’t handle the praise or the pressure of instant stardom. He began abusing painkillers, and eventually committed suicide.”

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Vegas

    It’s a way out. Just like drugs. Speaking of drugs, where is my bong?

  • aig-raiders

    Just my opinion. I read this really intersting book The Power of Habit (for my addictions) and the interesting things the brain remembers due to habits, even those with ALS and dementia.
    ———-
    I have a huge addiction problem. If I like something, I’ll latch on to it forever. My solution is to just stay away from stuff that I know would get me in trouble. Knowing that, I have never dared touching any weeds or ecstasy pills. I know weeds is not addicting but I would be smoking it all day long if I ever get a taste for it.

  • Silverandblack666

    “Screw Tim Kawakami. I hate that guy.”

    Agreed!!!

  • Just Fire Baby

    The Power of Habit, highly recommend it to any person struggling with addiction and also for any sales guy, as it is somewhat of sales book as well.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I’m addicted to weed. Does that count as addiction? lol

  • Just Fire Baby

    Pass the binger to the left-biddy-bum-bum boom

  • Just Fire Baby

    I’m addicted to weed. Does that count as addiction? lol

    ***********************

    It does if you tell yourself the night before, I don’t want to get high before I go to work tomorrow, and the next morning you are making excuses for yourself to get high before work.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    LOL Vegas.

  • HairyBush

    The picture of Wang looks like he just got caught robbing a bank lol

  • Silverandblack666

    “I’m addicted to weed. Does that count as addiction?”

    Its not an addiction its a necessity.

  • SaintKaufman

    Not sure yet about this Allen guy. He seems pretty hard nosed, very dedicated and passionate about football. I hope he has the leadership qualities this team needs. No more nice guy, friendly caveman 30 somethings. These guys need someone they respect, not want to go have beers with. The organizations a family, but if you screw up you still need to know that grandma will smash you over the head with a rolling pin!