Raiders announce revamped personnel department
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, May 15th, 2012 at 3:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Jon Kingdon, Bruce Kebric, Kent McCloughan and George Karras either were fired from or retired earlier this month from the Raiders personnl department. As promised, general manager Reggie McKenzie has succeeded in restructuring the department.
A few minutes ago, the Raiders announced the names and roles of those in their revamped personnel department:
Teddy Atlas, scouting coordinator
Calvin Branch, college scout
Joey Clinkscales, director – player personnel
Zack Crockett, college scout
Tom Delaney, director – football administration
Shaun Herock, director – college scouting
Von Hutchins, pro scout
Brad Kaplan, college scout
Larry Marmie, pro scout
Mickey Marvin, college scout
David McCloughan, college scout
Raleigh McKenzie, college scout
Trey Scott, college scout
Dane Vandernat, pro scout
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May 15th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
primero
May 15th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
second
May 15th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
NOBODY !
May 15th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Can we get Zack Crockett to come back and run the ball on 3rd and 1?
May 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Good ole dependable Zach Crockett. Need a yard? Zach’s your guy.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Good evening NATION! !!!
May 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Teddy Atlas the wrestler?
May 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Jamista Clown is a clown
May 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
lol Dan I remember that dude
May 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
yeah miss seeing Zack Crockett.He always came through when we needed him.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Wrestler? I thought Teddy Atlas was Mike Tyson’s former trainer.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Jamista Clown is a clown
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You actually took the time to write that lameness?
Hilarious, Bust. Your reputation as the Official Blog Punching Bag is well earned indeed!
May 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
ODB,
NFLN (Faulk and Sapp) think Denver will win the west.
Raiders on NFLN total access.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I was thinking the same thing stork, the boxing guy. We need some clarification on this…
May 15th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Stork you are right. mistaken with Tony Atlas
May 15th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
All the pundits are swinging from Manning’s tomato sack.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Raiders workout on TA NFLN.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
We Will Win The West!
WWWTW
May 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
biachi are you crying on your mom’s sofa wearing your Kobe jersey and Kurt Rambis glasses?
May 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Beeech Dawg Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Jamista Clown is a clown
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You actually took the time to write that lameness?
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BTW that lameness smacks your “raps” down.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Reggie just called me, he is adding me to his staff as a pro scout. Thanks big reg, such an honor.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I rather read Beeech’s comments over some of the crap here. At least he is funny and entertaining. Ignorant monkeys talking about economics and politics is not funny or entertaining.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
O just watched the fat bastard on NFL network too.
cant believe we paid that p.o.s. that much money and
he talks that bad about us. fuk him.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
ODB,
I can’t believe he is still working for the network he is loud, ignorant, and I can’t watch when he is talking.
I like Rich, Faulk, and Dukes.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Sapp has every right to criticize the Raiders. Al Davis lured him here with the promise of surrounding him with a real team. Sapp could have gone elsewhere and competed for another ring. Instead, he bought Al Davis’s rap, thinking Al would hire a real coach, build a real team, and it wasn’t until he got here that he realized that wasn’t going to happen, and that he was screwed. Al basically ruined Sapp’s career, like so many other veterans, by making the same empty promise.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
In fairness, that “fat bastard” doesn’t have any of that money we paid him left.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Eddie Borsilli @Borsilli
@Raiders going to sign FB Owen Schmitt.. Insurance for Reese and possible replacement for Tonga
May 15th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
The fat Bastard ate his money!
May 15th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Sapp has every right to criticize the Raiders. Al Davis lured him here with the promise of surrounding him with a real team. Sapp could have gone elsewhere and competed for another ring. Instead, he bought Al Davis’s rap, thinking Al would hire a real coach, build a real team, and it wasn’t until he got here that he realized that wasn’t going to happen, and that he was screwed. Al basically ruined Sapp’s career, like so many other veterans, by making the same empty promise.
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Sorry Bro that is BS! I remember vividly it came down to being between the raiders and Bungals that were truly interested!
May 15th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Yeah I like Rich too. That dude looks like a guy I could sit down with and burn a tree with.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
And of course Sapp is broke. That “generous” contract Al gave to Sapp was back loaded, with little money up front. That was always Al’s trick. He’d make it seem like he was throwing his shirt on the table, when in reality he was just signing players to modest yearly salaries that were attached to a lucrative amount that wouldn’t be paid until they played like their 10th season here.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Yeah I like Rich too. That dude looks like a guy I could sit down with and burn a tree with.
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He would probaly want to race you at the combine after smoking up lol
May 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
ODB,
Too bad he is another Preppie from Mich. he is funny. I like watching him run 40 in expensive suits.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I’ll bet after all the fine print Sapp made about 500k/year in Oakland.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
And of course Sapp is broke. That “generous” contract Al gave to Sapp was back loaded, with little money up front. That was always Al’s trick. He’d make it seem like he was throwing his shirt on the table, when in reality he was just signing players to modest yearly salaries that were attached to a lucrative amount that wouldn’t be paid until they played like their 10th season here.
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Doesn’t change the fact that he was paid all the $$ he was promised.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Sapp should write a tell all book on the disastrous organization the Raiders were then. Forward by Rich Gannon. It would fly off the shelves. Would cure his financial problems.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I’ll bet after all the fine print Sapp made about 500k/year in Oakland.
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not true. How about we just say Sapp did not know how to manage his $$. Shame on him, pure and simple.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
That’s all we need. Another ignorant bastard writing a book.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Doubt it’s Teddy Atlas the boxing trainer. That WOULD be cool, though. Dude once pulled a gun on Mike Tyson.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Sapp should write a book and just rip Herrera to shreds. What could Herrera do? He can’t afford a lawyer. He’s unemployed.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
He might pulling the gun on McClain
May 15th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Teddy atlas the boxing trainer with the face?
May 15th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Sapp is not a Doctor! He’s a curly haired fat FK!
May 15th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
lol. Got home tonight and a tree fell at the house across the street from mine.
city folks SHOULD NOT try and use a chain saw!! his first cut he got his saw stuck.
thank gawd I got home when I did to help him out. he was ready to Burt himself!! lol lol
May 15th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Out with Al’s minion scouts, looking for nothing more than speed, and in with real football scouts, looking for real football players.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I still wanna ask lefty wtf? He said we had the best wr group in the league..
May 15th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
We’re going to have a D full of hitters. No more focus on speed and agility, man coverage skills. Face crushers. All 11 of them.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
45. Exactly
May 15th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
* hurt.,.fukin. kindel.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
McKenzie was schooled by Ron Wolf. Expect the ’70s Raiders.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
ODB,
We like power tools. It makes us look tough!
May 15th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Thank god.. I thought he burt himself…
May 15th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Schmitt’s been officially signed. Reece better get his butt into camp FAST, or he’ll be out of a job.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I’m just amazed at the new vibe the Raiders are putting out. They announced the scouting dept???????????????????
May 15th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
If we our punter didn’t have a $5.65 million cap hit, we could offer Reece a LT contract, and sign a few more FAs.
But noooooooo. He is a great punter!
May 15th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Raiders signed Owen Schmitt…..
Sounds like Reece is DED….PEACE
May 15th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
We can cut Lechler and go with King
May 15th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Schmiitt.. Oh scary. Reece must be shaking in his cleats..
May 15th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Teabag Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
We can cut Lechler and go with King
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Great idea! Let’s cut maybe the best punter in NFL history and replace him with a guy who wasn’t even a priority UDFA. [eyeroll]
May 15th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Lol mark. And O when you get an eye patch you look tough.
When you look tough, people want to know how tough.
When people want to how tough.
You wake up in a road side ditch!!!
Don’t wake up in a road side ditch.
PUT DOWN THE. HAIN SAW!!!!
May 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Schmiitt.. Oh scary. Reece must be shaking in his cleats..
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Considering that Schmitt will be in camp (actually OTAs, but you know what I mean) tomorrow learning the offense and likely practicing with the first team, Reece SHOULD be nervous. After working this hard to become an NFL starter, his diva act’s going to bounce him right off the roster if he doesn’t knock it off.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
The best punter in history has been a raider for over a decade. How many wins did that get us?
LMAO
May 15th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
LMAO ODB.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
The best punter in history has been a raider for over a decade. How many wins did that get us?
LMAO
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Hard to say, I would imagine many. LMAO
May 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I’ll bet after all the fine print Sapp made about 500k/year in Oakland.
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Wrong as usual, why don’t you actually look things up, instead of looking like a moron?
http://celebnetworth.org/warren-sapp-net-worth-salary
May 15th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
shmitt = Camp body..punching bag..
Reece = playmaker
May 15th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
shmitt = Camp body..punching bag..
Reece = playmaker
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That’s one way to look at it. Here’s another:
Schmitt = Guy willing to run through a brick wall to make the team and start.
Reece = “WHAAAAH! THEY’RE NOT PAYING ME ENOUGH!”
May 15th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Lol mark. And O when you get an eye patch you look tough.
When you look tough, people want to know how tough.
When people want to how tough.
You wake up in a road side ditch!!!
Don’t wake up in a road side ditch.
PUT DOWN THE. HAIN SAW!!!!
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That was funny!
May 15th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
The best punter in history has been a raider for over a decade. How many wins did that get us?
LMAO
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I don’t know if they do WAR numbers for punters, but in terms of the added field position he gives us (which turns TDs into FGs and short, makeable FG attempts into long, not-so-makeable FG attempts), I’d credit Lechler with a win per year.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Interesting website, Dutch, Lol.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Ask D Brees about playing for a yr contract. Players want to get paid, and Reece is a good player, but we can’t afford to give him a LT contract. I wonder why?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Reece is worth something
Schmitt will need to run through walls just to make the p squad..
May 15th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Reece is worth something
Schmitt will need to run through walls just to make the p squad..
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He’s not worth anything if he’s just sitting home, not learning the offense.
If they were both in camp right now, then I would agree with you. Reece > Schmitt. But Schmitt’s here, and Reece isn’t, and Reggie Mac doesn’t give a DAMN what Al thought of Reece or any promises he may have made to open the team’s pocketbook.
Reece needs to sign his ERFA tender and get his entitled @ss in here immediately.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Can Pryor punt?
If not, he should take a crash course before training camp opens….
Think of all the trick play possibilities. Wait, Huebert’s a Bunghole nowadays…
Maybe Pryor can learn to longsnap instead..I think Condo makes more $$ than Pryor..That should clear some cap room….
May 15th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Duck 100 percent agree
May 15th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
And we cut Shane. He is our emergency Q B
May 15th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Entitled?!?!?!
How many players get cut/ released while they are under contract?! It’s a business, and most of you people are not qualified to judge business decisions.
Do you know what happened to D Brees while he was tagged from SD?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
You said it yourself. Reece is way better than nobody schmitt. Reg doest care about a non-mandatory minicamp. You think he’ll cut seymour in favor of a walk on dt we sign tomorrow?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Reece wants to be a long term raider. I dont see a problem with him working toward his goal of a ltr..
May 15th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
You said it yourself. Reece is way better than nobody schmitt. Reg doest care about a non-mandatory minicamp. You think he’ll cut seymour in favor of a walk on dt we sign tomorrow?
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Not the same thing. Seymour’s absent with the full knowledge of Reggie and DA, who are apparently OK with it because Seymour’s a slightly over-the-hill HoFer who can be counted on to come in to Training Camp, ready to go and setting an example.
Reece is a former practice squadder who has started a grand total of 16 games in his career. He’s holding out because his ERFA tender apparently isn’t enough $$$ for him. He’s missed the first veteran Mini Camp last month and the current set of OTAs. And the team just signed a former NFL starter at his position.
If Reece and his agent can’t see the line in the sand that’s being drawn, then he’s an idiot.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Just like Branch. Sign the tender and prove yourself
May 15th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Reece wants to be a long term raider. I dont see a problem with him working toward his goal of a ltr..
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Fine. Then sign his tender and continue to work towards a long-term deal. Or sign a waiver, like Bryant did. Or sign the tender, have a monster year, then get franchised for big $$$ or be able to walk at the end of this year.
Those are ALL better options than what he’s currently doing.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Tatum Jersey Ordered Last Week and Hendricks Jersey Ordered this week….Now im ordeing some Silver and Black Griffey’s… Gonna be at the San Diego game looking fresh to death watching us beat down the thundermuffs…. I had to add to the Jersey Collection for this year…..
May 15th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
??? Is it wasted time if your wasted all the time.???
May 15th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Just asking.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Entitled?!?!?!
How many players get cut/ released while they are under contract?! It’s a business, and most of you people are not qualified to judge business decisions.
Do you know what happened to D Brees while he was tagged from SD?
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Entitled, because a guy who’s still more potential than production (less than 900 yards total in a three-year career) is holding out for more $$$. I call that Entitled.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
McKenzie was schooled by Ron Wolf. Expect the ’70s Raiders.
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Never expect the 1970s Raiders again–football is too big business now and the league suspends players who do alcohol/drugs and/or get in trouble with the law.
We will remember the 70s Raiders forever, but wanting a repeat in the image category has been holding us back in moving towards a team that can win in today’s NFL; losing just tarnishes the image and memories. By the time Ronnie Wolf schooled Reggie Mac, he had moved on from the Raiders because he understood
May 15th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Reece averages like 11yds a catch.. 27 last yr..In the wco he’ll get at least 40. Schmitt is a camp body..
May 15th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Matchup nightmares dont risk their 1st chance at a good deal on a minicamp injury.. His agent is not dumb.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
You cant prove yourself in a minicamp. They know what reece, branch and bryant are worth.. Its just how deals happen. standoffs. Rememer the lockout?
May 15th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
You cant prove yourself in a minicamp. They know what reece, branch and bryant are worth.. Its just how deals happen. standoffs. Rememer the lockout?
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They’re installing a new offense that Reece hasn’t played in before. He needs to be learning it, not pulling a diva act when he has ZERO leverage.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Football’s a business. We need him. Big play guy. Lost Bush. Would hate to put it all on Dmac.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Shaved his taint.Now there is no Bush!!!!!LOL
May 15th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Football’s a business. We need him. Big play guy. Lost Bush. Would hate to put it all on Dmac.
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We do need him. But Reggie’s already shown (vis-a-vis his release of Wimbley) that blackmailing him over money accomplishes squat. Reece needs to sign his tender and get in here. Remember that he’s still WAY more potential than production at this point.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Sapp looks like that Chubby Chef from South Park,
May 15th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Reece had 5 catches less than dmoore. Blocked just fine for dmac while he was leading the nfl… The fact that he still has WAY more potential than production is a good thing.. He deserves a new deal.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Hello children!
May 15th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Yes. Mark he needs a new deal. But he should be there to get it
May 15th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Reece averages like 11yds a catch.. 27 last yr..In the wco he’ll get at least 40. Schmitt is a camp body..
Matchup nightmares dont risk their 1st chance at a good deal on a minicamp injury.. His agent is not dumb.
RaiderDuck Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Raider O Says:
Entitled, because a guy who’s still more potential than production (less than 900 yards total in a three-year career) is holding out for more $$$. I call that Entitled.
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with Reece, he really could use some skill development to reach his potential and make those big bucks. The union he is a member of negotiated a CBA that doesn’t give him any leverage to get paid big this year; and while he certainly has every right to miss non-mandatory OTAs and use what little leverage he has in contract negotiations, if his agent is smart he should get his butt in OTAs soon where he can get up to speed on the new coaches system and work on some of the finer points of the game, like how to be more QB friendly, help QB under pressure out as a safety valve receiver, learn how to sit in zones underneath, etc.; if he can get more catches with a little space to run, his status as a matchup nightmare is gonna lead to big plays for the Raiders and a big contract for Marcel. A more blue-collar attitude and improved skills regarding blocking wouldn’t hurt him either. I’m sure the coaches are eager to help him. I think the potential for skill development offsets the injury risk at OTAs, if not, why do all the teams have them. Seymour’s skills are already developed
May 15th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
AlzadoX: Exactly. Reece is missing practices he can’t really afford to, given his situation.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I’m pretty sure he can get a job somewhere, he’s put some good film in the can the last couple of years. Anybody know what the Raiders are offering?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Well said AlzadoX
May 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
And if he gets hurt its just tuff sht huh..
May 15th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Catch the video from 5 OTA media sessions – Head Coach Dennis Allen, QB Carson Palmer, WRs Denarius Moore and Juron Criner and RB Darren McFadden. http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/all-videos/press-conference.html
May 15th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
It puts a smile on my face to see things are pretty much the same here as they were 5 years ago.
Except MR is beating on a dead man instead of an 80 year old invalid.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I’m pretty sure he can get a job somewhere, he’s put some good film in the can the last couple of years. Anybody know what the Raiders are offering?
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The Raiders aren’t offering anything. Reece is still under contract. The Raiders want him to honor that contract.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
You all just wait and see. Tebow time gonna run over Sanchez and Jets are gonna off load the hot dog eater and you all know big ReggieMac likes USC QBs’. Look for Sanchez to sport Silver and Black real soon and TPryor to go half back, TE and wide out. No bull. Got this from an inside source on the inside.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Damn plunk. 5 years?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
testing 1 2 3
May 15th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
It was just over 5 years ago when this place blew up and Jerry got rid of his japanese trollbot.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
An inside source on the inside? Really?? Sweet!!! lol lol
May 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
I have not been this optimistic going into a year for many a moon now.
DMAC scares other teams. Throw in a top ten QB and an improved O line with some excellent WR’s.
The D will be vastly improved. I just have faith
Best year ever!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
PeymourGlen, you forgot to tell KK how he eats out of a dumpster for making such a stupid comment about the Raiders offering Reece something while he is under contract.
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Seymour Bush Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I’m pretty sure he can get a job somewhere, he’s put some good film in the can the last couple of years. Anybody know what the Raiders are offering?
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The Raiders aren’t offering anything. Reece is still under contract. The Raiders want him to honor that contract.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Plunketthead Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
It was just over 5 years ago when this place blew up and Jerry got rid of his japanese trollbot.
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If you go back to the beginning it was all trollbot. Then came the early guys and then others evolved. Some have gone thru some intense arguments and some have gone thru blog plastic surgery so to speak. Others have bailed.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2005/07/31/day-3-top-secret-scouting-report/
May 15th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
The Raiders aren’t offering anything. Reece is still under contract. The Raiders want him to honor that contract.
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as I understand it, Reece is an “exclusive rights free agent” who has been “tendered” (offered a contract at a set level under CBA). He is not under contract and certainly has the right not to sign the contract that is being offered…but some of us think that it would be a good move for him to sign that contract and work on bettering his skills improving his production and thus getting a big contract later.
Under the CBA Raiders have “exclusive rights” to him as a (technically under the CBA) 3rd year player, Reece has no options but to sign the tender or sit out, unless he can convince the Raiders to do something different (like trade his rights or give him a better contract than the tender). Reece has little leverage, even less now with Schmitt signed
but, it’s not like Reece is refusing to honor a contract he signed. He didn’t sign any contract re: current league fiscal year
May 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
So you are a elder statesmen here Plunk.
Me I am kinda new here.
Like a newborn blog baby; just keep poking my head in and out.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
And then there are the trolls.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8291e9b0/article/fullback-owen-schmitt-signs-with-oakland-raiders?module=HP11_headline_stack
May not bode well for Reece. At least Reggie is not waiting around.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Le Brick strikes again! Go Pacers!
May 15th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Have you guys seen that video were Owen Schmitt smashes himself in the head with his helmet?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Have you guys seen that video were Owen Schmitt smashes himself in the head with his helmet?
………….
No.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
I came to the blog the year Jamarcus was drafted.
May 15th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Gandalfo, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqyyEVGFUo
May 15th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
“some have gone thru blog plastic surgery so to speak”
I hear you. I underwent a sex change
May 15th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Gandalfo, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuqyyEVGFUo
……….
Thats crazy.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Under the CBA Raiders have “exclusive rights” to him as a (technically under the CBA) 3rd year player, Reece has no options but to sign the tender or sit out, unless he can convince the Raiders to do something different (like trade his rights or give him a better contract than the tender). Reece has little leverage, even less now with Schmitt signed
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True, I guess my point is he is still under his original contract which makes him an exclusive rights free agent. Unless another contract is reached, next year he will be unrestricted.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Plunketthead Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
“some have gone thru blog plastic surgery so to speak”
I hear you. I underwent a sex change
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Ouch!
May 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I hope Schmitt makes the team. Raider fans will love him if he does that every game.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
ABP.. wtf?? Is Jon Ritchie his hero?
May 15th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Is it really true Reggie McK is trying to get Mark Sanchez on board because he likes USC quarterbacks?
May 15th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I do know the Raiders are the only team with two Heisman QBs’.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Trade Pryor for Mark Sanchez.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
hahaha I hope the Pacers beat the wetdream team.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
You cant trade Pryor. The mans is bonified uberstud.
He may even be able to ball like Tebow.
Speaking of which, you know that locker room is going ballistic this year when TT outplays the spanish heartthrob.
TP could actually be a star QB for us. Just have a little faith and great coaching
May 15th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Eddy Curry going to come off the bench and win the series for Miami.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Here is what you have all been waiting for. Tim Kawakami article about Pryor:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_20630369/raiders-backup-quarterback-terrelle-pryor-looks-sharp-practice
May 15th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“Pryor looked pretty sharp during the practice and seemed very comfortable in quarterback drills alongside Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart . . . particularly Palmer.”
May 15th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
I believe the D.A. will make better use of Seymour and the Dline.
Watch Seymour have a fantastic year. We are talking about a sure hall of famer with the pride and willpower to go out on top.
I predict he will be a pro bowler
May 15th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Al is the greatest. He left us in great shape. Not being on the field was a tough setback. It took him awhile to learn how to run a NFL team from a bedroom at the Hilton Inn but he was doing it.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Pryor made his own point when a reporter started describing the different skillsets of the three quarterbacks. Leinart knows the West Coast Offense, you can run, Palmer has a big arm . . .
“I’ve got a big arm, too,” Pryor said quickly. “A big arm.
“I just happen to be able to run and that just adds on to my arsenal.”
May 15th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Pryor said he had several phone conversations a week with Al Davis up to the time Davis died, and Pryor said that he feels a special responsibility as Davis’ final draft choice (as a supplemental pick in 2011).
I think I am going to get a TP jersey.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I rather read Beeech’s comments over some of the crap here. At least he is funny and entertaining. Ignorant monkeys talking about economics and politics is not funny or entertaining.
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If people here actually think saying “Peemore Bust” is clever and witty, I need to find a new blog to frequent.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Good riddance
May 15th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
65.DutchRaider77 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I’ll bet after all the fine print Sapp made about 500k/year in Oakland.
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Wrong as usual, why don’t you actually look things up, instead of looking like a moron?
http://celebnetworth.org/warren-sapp-net-worth-salary
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Now now. Don’t let the facts get in the way of an unstable obsession with discrediting every moment of a deceased football owners life.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
136.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Eddy Curry going to come off the bench and win the series for Miami.
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ABP, you ARE definitely a Chicago guy. I’m guessing a big public league fan as well?
May 15th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
132.Pro Baller Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I do know the Raiders are the only team with two Heisman QBs’.
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Awesome. Reggie making moves like that which Al Davis would’ve never done.
…er….wait a second.
May 15th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Me and all my friends just want to drop in a say hi and congrats to a succesful Raider mini camp. Things went way better than expected.
May 15th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Dew Drop….
Add a few political finatics and your friends will be complete.
May 15th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8291db39/article/tim-tebow-winning-over-jets-staff-
I’m tellin ya, it wont be long before Mark “the spanish heartthrob hot dog eatin qb” Sanchez puts on the Silver and Black. Could be as soon as pre-season. Been sayin this, you know you been hearin it. Sanchez will be a Raider. A team with those 3 would most certainly be the three from USC. And Pryor will be the half back/TE/ and wide out. Print it!
May 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Raiders for life Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Dew Drop….
Add a few political finatics and your friends will be complete.
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:LOL:
May 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Johnny,
Al Davis was the worst GM in professional sports over the past 20 years. Reggie will have to do a lot more than sign a couple of Heisman winners to be as bad as Al. The main difference is that Reggie is building a core team plus the Heisman winners. Al built his entire team on a couple of heisman winners and a bunch of track runners.
May 15th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Dew Drop Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
You must be a happy person to be in our club.
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lol
May 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
So you are a elder statesmen here Plunk.
Me I am kinda new here.
Like a newborn blog baby; just keep poking my head in and out.
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LMAO
Long Live ODB!
May 15th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Plunketthead Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Al is the greatest. He left us in great shape. Not being on the field was a tough setback. It took him awhile to learn how to run a NFL team from a bedroom at the Hilton Inn but he was doing it.
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Thanks for post, new perspective
May 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Plunk = soccer ambassador!
Best world cup ever!
May 15th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Alzado,
Great posts about Reece. I enjoyed reading your posts.
May 15th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
MIA:
R8der Paver
4eva
Oaklifer
TW
May 15th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Still have 4 former Raiders on staff. Kinda surprised. At least they aren’t Al’s scholarship boys. Rock on Reggie.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Schmitt’s skill set makes Tonga expendable, not Reece.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Schmidt signed…sorry if this was already out there
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Fullback-Schmitt-lands-with-Raiders.html
May 15th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Do owners and GMs honor their contracts?
The NFL is a business, and that’s why players have agents. Owners and GMs are trying to save money to increase their profits, and players want the most they can get for their services.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
this was funny, and unfortunately, spot on.
lefty12 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
“On a fairly basic route over the middle,Criner somehow stopped himself and reached back to catch a Pryor pass that was thrown behind him”
Thec,there is your Pryor update.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
alex7 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
this was funny, and unfortunately, spot on.
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Spot on why? He thew 1 errant pass.
What about the connect on the bomb you left out?
Or the fact that he was connecting accurately on a lot of his passes?
May 15th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Alex7, how much more do you know than the Raidsd coaching staff???
Seems all the reports from the org and OTA’s regarding TP is polar opposite than what you have been posting….
Glad we have the wayback machine, going to enjoy it…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Couple months and Preseason starts…..heavy Sighhhhh…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
How about the story regading TP from kawikami
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_20630369/raiders-backup-quarterback-terrelle-pryor-looks-sharp-practice
A7, don’t let the full story on how TP looked get in the way…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Aaaaaand he’s still the 3rd string QB.
History. His passing history. Repeat. Rinse. 3rd string.
Cam Newton SEC record-breaking passer he isn’t. Why so hard to accept he sucks as a passer, as his history suggests?
May 15th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Marks hair Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Reece had 5 catches less than dmoore. Blocked just fine for dmac while he was leading the nfl… The fact that he still has WAY more potential than production is a good thing.. He deserves a new deal.
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Agree Reece has great potential and is a fine lead blocker for DMAC–maybe the only lead blocker fast enough for the impatient DMAC. But he would still be a better blocker if he got tougher and more physical and he would catch a lot more passes for a lot more yards if he learned the finer points of being a receiver out of the backfield. He could learn those kind of things, along with the new coaches’ schemes, by getting to OTAs and then he’d be productive and make a lot more money next year. He has no leverage to get more money now. There are smart times to hold out and dumb times and most signs point to this being a dumb time to hold out for Reece. A lot of ERFAs are holding out no doubt, but most don’t have a new coach/regime and much more potential than past production like Reece.
However, I can see why he wouldn’t want to sign a waiver like Bryant. If I were his agent I would tell him to sign the best deal he can get now and get to work at becoming the big producer that will mean big dollars as soon as next year
May 15th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
if you want to be impressed by a 9-route throw, knock yourself out.
and the article talks about Pryor…talking. “Looked pretty sharp”?
Yet we signed a backup QB. Pryor not even having the confidence of the coaches to be a BACKUP qb. Think about the lack of talent in backup QBs. And Pryor not even good enough for that position.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Only thing that was surounding Sapp was his lard Azz!
May 15th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
alex7 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Aaaaaand he’s still the 3rd string QB.
History. His passing history. Repeat. Rinse. 3rd string.
Cam Newton SEC record-breaking passer he isn’t. Why so hard to accept he sucks as a passer, as his history suggests?
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Ahhh yes he is currently 4rd however, based on your past post he had zero shot. 180 degress diffrent than what his QB coach says…
He is imporving daily…
As the article said he looks sharp…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
lol at May football “looking sharp” articles, and taking them for something valuable.
Aaaaaand they don’t trust him to be the backup QB.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Alex7 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Aaaaaand he’s still the 3rd string QB.
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Are you part of the coaching staff, or do you have insider info. According to his coaches he is competing with Matt for the backup QB position.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument!
May 15th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
guess the raiders are about to sign Schmitt …
i like it better than Tonga! good stuff
yet another one year deal comin right up!
May 15th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
alex7 Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
if you want to be impressed by a 9-route throw, knock yourself out.
and the article talks about Pryor…talking. “Looked pretty sharp”?
Yet we signed a backup QB. Pryor not even having the confidence of the coaches to be a BACKUP qb. Think about the lack of talent in backup QBs. And Pryor not even good enough for that position.
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I am glad we brought in another QB. The linert move makes a ton of sense for a lot of diffrent reasons.
Linert knows the knapp O as he has been at it for 3 years. also Linert can help both palmer, and TP as he knows the O from a QB perspective and can provide intel on some of the nuances. Linert will also push TP to work harder…This was a win win IMO…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
heard Curtis Painter looked sharp last May.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
A7, each day that goes by, shoots holes in your arguement about TP playing QB….
When he does beat out linert, the way back will tell all…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
A7, did you say that TP would be cut before OTA’s???
May 15th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
I’m also glad we brought in Leinert. Not saying I’m not.
But it does say something when you feel the need to sign competition for the BACKUP.
You know Leinert’s winning that #2 spot.
You know that.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
about the same message the Seahawks are sending Tavaris Jackson.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Aaaaaand they don’t trust him to be the backup QB.
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Can you support your arguments with facts?
May 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
linert has the edge as he has been in that system for 3 years, however thats all hes got…
TP will emerge as the number 2…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
We just signed Owen Schmitt after his successful tryout today.
Check out his athleticism!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JEbPK2ARhbg
May 15th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
TP indeed raw, but it sounds like he’s in the mix.
May 15th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
test
May 15th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
lol thec
being in the system is all Leinert’s got?
You mean other than the ability to throw the ball successfully, right? Kind of important.
Not great at it, but better than TP. Not to mention maturity, trust of the coaches, more collegiate success, NFL success…
May 15th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Owen’s on his 3rd team in 4 years. He seems like a tough dude, but wonder why all the bouncing around.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I dont know if I can get behind all that is going on in Alemeda. I love the Raiders because of Al Davis. Now that he’s gone, I dont like to see people tearin down his lifes work. I shared the ups and the downs with Mr Davis, and to see someone come in afresh is await to be seen. People diss on Al Davis cause they are fair weather fans. True fans weather the storm. As long as Reggie and Mark keep Mr Davis in mind, I’m OK with it. But once they start bashin him, then the honeymoon is over.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
You are wasting your time Thec. Some people are not interested in the facts, and are more interested in arguing.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 10:01 pmould
You are wasting your time Thec. Some people are not interested in the facts, and are more interested in arguing.
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Agreed…
May 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
the FACTS say TP completed less than 50% of his passes vs legit D’s in college.
Aren’t those the ONLY facts we have to go by as far as his passing skills are concerned?
Has anyone ever been below 50% in meaningful games over 2 seasons as a college QB and succeeded in the NFL?
May 15th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Arguing about who will be the backup? lol. Nice to have Palmer around. No question as to his ability and his status as #1.
As for the backup, who cares as long as TP continues to improve and Leinart gives us a chance in case anything happens to Palmer. By all accounts, they liked his progression in Texan land so why hate on him?
May 15th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Sounds like the offense had a good OTA today, I didn’t hear much about the Defense but maybe thats whats expected in OTA’s. Im really interested to hear about the Defense, maybe next time we will hear about some of these new players on defense
May 15th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
ESPN did a report on the Raiders tonight and then analysis after the camp report.
Schleureth and Merrill Hoge were asked what Raiders had to accomplish to “win” the Palmer trade. Schleureth said “multiple AFC West tites” and Hoge said “Well you’re from Denver Mark so I know it hurts to say it, but for the Raiders to win the Palmer trade the Raiders have to win a Super Bowl with Carson Palmer”.
I don’t care about their analysis of the Raiders cuz I think they bother to do their homework on us. They hear a few things, maybe thumb through a report, but it was interesting to hear mention Raiders and Super Bowl in the same sentence and not have it be a punchline.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
I realize Raiders gave up alot to get Palmer but it seems his name can’t come up without mentioning what we gave up to get him.
Do you guys EVER hear mention of what Chicago gave up to get Cutler?
-TWO 1st round picks (non conditional) AND a 3rd rounder PLUS Kyle Orton.
I NEVER hear anyone talk about the pressure on the Bears to win a Super Bowl becuz of that trade…NEVER.
Noone ever talks about what they gave up.
I guess with Buffalo paying Fitzpatrick 55 million they’d better win one as well, and how much time do we allow Washington before they MUST win a SB for what they gave up for RGiii?
May 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Yeah DJ I saw that too. later they picked who would win the AFC West and Hoge actually picked the Raiders and you can guess who Mark picked.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mark is a hater and Hoge called him on it.
Pu$$y!
May 15th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RealRaider, I didn’t see that part (Hoge’s prediction)but it was funny when he said that Vince Young would not be able to “surplant” Fitzpatrick in Buffalo.
The word is “supplant” of course. I know i’m nit picking but when someone as cocky as Hoge is screws something up like that i can’t help but find it amusing.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I give Hoge credit for picking Raiders. He obviously took the time to do a little bit of research on us.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
#196 – Great point, DJ.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Even after Dan Patrick’s interview w/ Carson he mentioned how much we gave up for Palmer…said he thought it was too much but also said it was an understandable move given the circumstances.
Is Cutler better than Palmer? I don’t think so, but the Bears gave up more than we did to get him.
I’m out here in Chicago and I never even hear the local guys out here mention what they gave up. They all love the deal. I don’t even think anyone out here knows…or cares.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
#188
Im not sure why the Eagles didn’t bring back Schmitt, I read some Eagle fans comments and they really liked him kinda like the Giants fans liked Tollefson. These are two guys who aren’t very flashy or nothing, but they get love from there ex teams fans. I put some weight in that. I believe there could be a place for Owen here, even with Reece.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I watch to ESPN and NFLN to get football news, but I’m not interested in their opinions.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Thx Reality. I know i’m beating this to death but given the circumstances the Palmer deal for us made a heck of alot more sense than Cutler.
Bears not only gave up the 2 1st rounders and the 3rd but a bonafide healthy starter in Kyle Orton.
We replaced Kyle Boller. What makes more sense?
May 15th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Cutler is younger than Palmer, and he was in his prime when the Bears traded for him.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I am not worried about the # 2 QB controversy. What I do wonder is , what about the D??
Seems Corko was way silent on it today, saying that there were few notable plays or play makers coming to the fore and that Sho-Nasty is still recovering from surgery, and “should be ready” for training camp.
When I posed the question in the live chat earlier, asking Corky how did the CB’s look, he didn’t reply. With my question I made the comment that last year the CB’s almost never turned their heads when the ball came in, and put a hand in an attempt to make a play. I then asked Corky have they changed that flawed procedure at this OTA?
There was no answer.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I think the NFL World will be watching the Raiders this year. Noting the differences of past to present. Maybe even pulling for them.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
We did pay a lot for a guy who was out of football for half a season, his old team drafted a QB to replce him who played well, and he was 31-32 YO.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Hard to judge Defense when there’s no contact allowed.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I watch to ESPN and NFLN to get football news, but I’m not interested in their opinions.
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Berman (for highlights) & Clayton. The rest can take a hike.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Sure , unless they say something good.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Don’t forget the fact that Palmer refused to play for Cincinnati, and he was ready to retire.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
TSR,
I forgot about that. Thank you. I also like Game replay on NFLN.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
DJ Johnny,
Look to the suspicious nature of the transaction and not so much the price we paid for CP. The trade was put together by Hue the Pimpin Magnificent under exigent circumstances (or so says Hue) in order that the Raiders make it to the playoffs, which Hue later admitted at his exit presser, he knew would never happen.
Frankly speaking I would have offered the couch potato CP $2M up front, back loaded with incentives. I would have told to Bengals to go kick rocks regarding any draft choices.
But, that is who I am, I won’t pay full price for anything, especially if it is on the downward maintanence curve.
Of course, any thing the Pimpin Magnificent had his hand in, the posters veiw as suspect.
May 15th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Hard to judge Defense when there’s no contact allowed.
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No contact is allowed in OTA’s?
May 15th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
No contact in OTAs.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
I happy that we traded for Palmer, but u do think we overplayed for him, but no one will care after we win a SB!
May 15th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
I’m
May 15th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Raider O Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
I happy that we traded for Palmer, but u do think we overplayed for him, but no one will care after we win a SB!
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Who let Monkey O out of its cage?
I’m happy that we traded for Palmer, but I do think we overpaid for him, but no one will care after we win a SB.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
High price? Sure. But let’s face it folks, good QBs that can make the throws Palmer can just don’t grow on trees. How many #1s have been wasted on crap QBs? Hello Russell and countless others. You pay a high price for good QBs in this league.
And you have to admit, the ceiling was low with Campbell. Get to the playoffs, and good teams merely need to stack the box to stop our running game. Force him to win it with his arm. He was happy to sign on as Cutler’s backup. What does that tell you?
You’re right O, nobody will care if we win.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
IF WE WIN
May 15th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Hardline and Raider O, Good points but my beef is that Palmers name can’t be mentioned w/o talking about how much was given up when many other questionable deals with teams giving up a ton gets a pass…ala Cuter.
Last I checked Cutler might be the 3rd best in his own division.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
I agree with Vegas about Palmer, he needs to be more careful with the ball. He trusts his arm too much.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
I realize Raiders gave up alot to get Palmer but it seems his name can’t come up without mentioning what we gave up to get him.
Do you guys EVER hear mention of what Chicago gave up to get Cutler?
-TWO 1st round picks (non conditional) AND a 3rd rounder PLUS Kyle Orton.
I NEVER hear anyone talk about the pressure on the Bears to win a Super Bowl becuz of that trade…NEVER.
Noone ever talks about what they gave up.
I guess with Buffalo paying Fitzpatrick 55 million they’d better win one as well, and how much time do we allow Washington before they MUST win a SB for what they gave up for RGiii?
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Simple answer: Cutler is a damn good QB who was coming off an all-world season. Palmer sucks and was sitting on the couch after tossing 20 ints and leading his team to a 4-12 record.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Yeah, a little too Favre-like in that regard. Needs to work on that.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Debo – sit back and enjoy as Palmer outplays Cutler this year.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
DJ,
Cutler was 26 when the Bears traded for him. Palmer was 32, he was retired, and Cinci moved forward with a rookie QB who was playing at a high level.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Should Hue Jacskon have folded tent when Jason Cambell went down? Tough spot.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Try Some Reality,
CP is worth it if he wins.
BTW, I was unmercifully hammered by dozens of posters who were JC worshippers, for stating during the season that JC was a second, nothing less and nothing more. That AD operated in a state of dementia was evidenced by the fact that AD claimed JC was the next “Jim Plunkett.”
When a QB trips on his bottom lip that remains unfurled past his knees, it’s hard to get past the image of him being a back-up, notwithstanding the fact that JC had no fire and couldn’t make the throws.
I still remember in one of his final games the INT he threw right to an inside linebacker opponent who was standing still: the ball wasn’t tipped, batted up into the air. JC flat misidentified the other side’s linebacker; and BTW the linebacker looked shocked too. TV announcers tried to explain it away and couldn’t. It was a very awkward moment.
Of course those same JC worshippers are now eating crow, and big helpings of it, when JC signed as a back-up merely 24 hrs after hitting FA.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Debo – sit back and enjoy as Palmer outplays Cutler this year.
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Love the name man, but you should really take your own advice. Why in the hell would I ever believe that Carson Palmer will outplay Jay Cutler??? Give me the choice between Cutler and Palmer and I’ll take Cutler 11 times out of 10.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
TSR,
I like our offense, but you have to admit, the Bears have a good offense too.
QB: Cutler, Campbell
RB: Forte, Bush
WR: Brandon Marhall, Knox, and Hester
May 15th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Culter is an excellent talent. However his greatest attribute is laying an egg when it comes down to it. Culter is nothing now, and will be nothing in the future. He is a 2nd stringer too.
Champions find a way to win…..not to lose.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Hardline
You were hammered by JC worshippers? Really? I’ve only seen the Hardlind handle in the last couple of weeks.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Hardline – I think I know who you speak of. It’s mainly one delusional cat in here that would have everyone thinking JC was a legend in the making, and a few of his minions. Clearly, the guy had an agenda. Funny thing is that clown came in here the other day to call others imposters. After all that crap he painted these blog walls with, we’re the imposters? LOL. Guy doesn’t know his pie hole from his dookie maker.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Hardline
You were hammered by JC worshippers? Really? I’ve only seen the Hardlind handle in the last couple of weeks.
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KK,
yes I was, not that it affected me, because I knew I was right.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
JC overall is probably better than Cutler, since at least JC is steady. He is not flashy, but probably wouldn’t roll over like Cutler in critical games.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
May 15th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Debo – sit back and enjoy as Palmer outplays Cutler this year.
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Love the name man, but you should really take your own advice. Why in the hell would I ever believe that Carson Palmer will outplay Jay Cutler??? Give me the choice between Cutler and Palmer and I’ll take Cutler 11 times out of 10.
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Really? Interesting. Especially considering that Palmer really came into his own towards the end there. In fact, why yes, compare the last 3 games played by both QBs and guess which one outplayed the other in every single one of them? That’s right, your Oakland Raiders starting QB. Be happy about it. And quit p1ssing in the kool-aid.
May 15th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
We’re getting closer day by day, to seeing how this all plays out.
Gnite Gents.