Pryor talks about Al Davis, rookie season, future
By Steve Corkran
Friday, May 18th, 2012 at 7:04 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor arrived late in training camp last season as a result of being selected by the Raiders in the third round of the NFL supplemental draft.
That, combined with his having to serve a five-game suspension for a violation of NCAA rules at Ohio State, set back Pryor’s development.
Well, now he’s on equal footing with his teammates and ready to make strides toward being a starting NFL quarterback. He realizes that he has to wait his turn, given the Raiders have veteran Carson Palmer on the roster, too. However, he is doing everything he can so that he will be ready when called upon.
Here is what Pryor had to say in a lenghty interview after a recent organized team activity in Alameda:
Q: How much further ahead are you with an actual offseason to work with?
Pryor: Big time in terms of footwork, confidence, believing in myself. All of that stuff is miles ahead with more great things to come.
Q: Interview with Sports Illustrated, questioned things?
Pryor: I’m not going to talk about that. That’s in the past.
Q: How difficult was last year?
Pryor: It was just hard not playing. It’d be like you not being able to report or do something that you love. You maybe love to golf and you can’t, you have a sore arm or whatever or your back and you can’t golf anymore. It just gets frustrating.
Q: How different is the offense?
Pryor: This offense is great. I love this offense. Coach Knapp has got some good stuff going for Carson, myself and Matt. It’s a great opportunity to be a part of this, I’ll tell you that much.
Q: Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp believes in you. How much does that help?
Pryor: I’m not saying that he’s supposed to. I work hard and I do the right thing just like Carson does, just like Matt does. That’s how it should be.
Q: Disappointed they signed Matt Leinart?
A: This is the business of football. You have to have a strong core quarterback group because that’s really what leads the team. Defense does win games, yes. You need everybody to be on the same page, but you need a quarterback to know what’s going on and be able to lead the team. I’m not discouraged at all that Matt’s here. Matt’s a great guy and I’m going to go about my business getting better and working hard and no one out-working me. That’s how I live and that’s how I do things every day, and it won’t change.
Q: Did you get 1 percent better
Pryor: Oh yeah. Big big huge improvement. I spent a lot of time with Coach DiFilipio and I cleaned up the footwork, taking my feet in my progression and nothing but good results.
Q: You really competing for No. 2 spot or content to be No.3?
Pryor: Oh, yes, I’m competing to play.
Q: Have to caution to not try to overdo it after missing last year?
Pryor: Naw, I just go within the plays that I get and within the reps that I get. Just like I said, my 1 percent. I live by that code because that’s all I want to do. I want to get myself better. I’m not worried about … I mean sure, I learned a lot from Carson but I’m not going to worry about what he’s doing. I’m not going to worry about what Matt’s doing because I have to be on my A game every day. I’m competing to play in the second spot, competing to play, get in the game a leader on the field, off the field? That’s the questions I ask myself to see if I got an A today or I got one percent better or what?
Q: Each quarterback have a different skill set?
Pryor: I got a big arm, too. A big arm. I just happen to be able to run and that just adds on to my arsenal. If you go throughout the reads and do the right progression and throw the ball to the right spot where you want it to be, and if nothing’s there and I take off, then that’s a plus.
Q: What did you think about rookie wide receiver Juron Criner?
Pryor: He saved Carson, he saved myself, he saved Matt also. He’s a player. He has learned, just like myself and everybody else, he’s going to be a good one. He catches everything that comes near him. I was very impressed with him.
Q: Relief to get back on the field?
Pryor: It’s good to play this game that I love and continuing to get better every day. It’s a blessing. Different circumstances because I’m behind somebody that’s very talented. I wouldn’t want to learn from anybody else than Carson. But I’m in a different position, I’m working hard to get better every day and learn from him and taking mental reps while he’s in there taking snaps. That’s all I can do right now.
Q: What’s it like learning from Palmer?
Pryor: As a person, he’s one of the best people I’ve ever met, the way he handles his work but he also gets into my technique to fix what I did wrong. He’s great. I couldn’t ask for anyone better.
Q: Coaching change, worry you might not have a place?
Pryor: No, because I knew my work ethic would … I know coaches come in and have a different perspective about you or whoever the player is, and I knew my work ethic and how I drop and do the things that they wanted me to do. It carried myself over into what they wanted done. If I wasn’t doing it right in practice or whatever we’re doing in drills, I would be out here working by myself so it is what they want. But that didn’t really come into my mind.
Q: This offseason, where did you improve?
Pryor: Really just footwork and having a chance to learn the offense. I didn’t know anything last year, nothing at all. I knew some of the stuff going into games and stuff like that but starting from Day 1 here right now when the new coaches came in. On the other hand I came in last year at the end of camp and everything was already put in. I couldn’t ask the coach, the offensive coordinator. We didn’t even have a quarterbacks coach so I couldn’t even learn anything from that standpoint. So this is definitely a blessing and this is in God’s hands.
Q: What was that one play you were in for going to be if it hadn’t been negated by the penalty?
PRYOR: Just a quarterback sneak. But I mean, I was doing what I was told. I never heard of a rule — neither did any of our coaches know the rule — of getting under the center too fast and snapping the ball too fast.
Did you know that?
Q: No, I didn’t know that, either. So it’s unfortunate…
Q: Were there going to be more plays for you in that game?
PRYOR: I had a whole package in. But I think that whole package didn’t come in maybe because of that play or the score ended up being 21-7 or 21-0, I can’t remember. That screwed it up, too.
Q: You think you could’ve played more in the following games if that play had gone better?
PRYOR: I don’t know. I was told to take the snap just like I did. So I obeyed my coaches and did exactly what they told me to do. But it’s my fault. We’ll do it like that. I’ll take the responsibility. The score–I’ll take it as the score was 21-7 and I couldn’t get in.
Q: Do you have any indication that they might be adding specialty plays for you this season?
PRYOR: Competing to play. Carson is the starter and he’s going to be the starter. But I don’t put myself as I’m going to be backup. I mean, I don’t sit around saying, ‘I want to be a backup, that’s what I want to be.’ That’s not how I operate. That’s not how I want to be. I’m going to work to play. And Carson’s always played well and always will. Whenever the opportunity comes for me to play, I’ll play. But I’m not planning to be a back-up. Get that correct.
Q: How much does it help to have a veteran like Carson to learn from?
PRYOR: Oh, he’s great. A lot of the stuff I know right now I’ve learned from Carson. It’s just great to have him here.
Q: What kinds of stuff does he say to you?
PRYOR: Just something small, like we were watching film today and I threw a pass, I completed it, but after the play he’s like, ‘Look where your left foot was, your pointer foot, it was turned inside.’ And I was throwing the ball across the field. So little things like that that he does all the time. That’s a big help just to hear it from him. He’s taking all his time to give a word for me to get better.
Q: Dennis Allen has said there’s a lot in you to prove to people you can play quarterback in the NFL. Is that a driving thing for you?
PRYOR: Yeah. I’m just looking for my opportunity, because when I get an opportunity, it’s on from there. Of course, it fuels me that people say I couldn’t be a quarterback or stuff like that. But my plan is in God’s hands, like I said before, and with my work ethic and within myself. And whatever anybody else says it’s irrelevant to me. It really doesn’t matter to me.
Q: Did you ever get a chance to talk to Al Davis?
PRYOR: I talked to him a couple times a week before he passed. He would give me a call. Just a couple times a week–he would just tell me he believed in me and stuff like that. Nothing very… I’m not sure exactly what was going on with him… We would get on the phone and we would chat.
Q: Do you view this almost as a true rookie year for you because of the limitations of last year?
PRYOR: What I can say about last year is I learned the speed of the corners, I learned what the NFL is, in terms of, you have to get back and get rid of the ball. The rush is between the D-linemen getting to you, nothing else. So I learned the speed of the D-linemen, you’ve got to get the ball out fast because of them. You’ve got to throw at different angles. From that standpoint, no, I’d say this is my second year. Because I learned an awful lot by taking snaps against the first team in… the practice-role doing the scout team. I learned a lot in terms of physical stuff like that. So I learned a good bit. I’d say this is my second year because I did learn a lot.
Q: Have you convinced some of the WRs to stay out here for you to throw to?
PRYOR: Oh yeah. We’ve got a bunch of hard-working guys. We also have guys that want to get better. No one’s good enough not to get enough work.
Q: Allen has said how hard a worker you are. You think you surprise coaches sometimes by working that hard?
PRYOR: I like to work hard, you know? Because when it’s my time to play, I want to be more than ready. I want guys to be like, ‘Wow.’ That’s it.
Q: When’s that going to be?
PRYOR: Whenever the time comes.
Q: When you have those conversations with Al Davis, does that motivate you?
PRYOR: Yeah, that drives me. Because the last pick–the last pick may not mean anything. I might not mean nothing to anybody. But to me, you know, it kind of felt like–last pick of a guy that made a legacy of football. He was just a well-known guy. Being the last pick… I mean, that’s special, just in that sense, just how his name is always brought up. He’s on HBO shows now after his death. It’s just an honor, how much I have to, I want to.
Q: What’s it like to finally have a QBs coach, like DeFilippo, unlike last year?
PRYOR: Oh, it’s great. You learn. He’s all about technique and stuff. He works with me, I’m always around him, I’m always texting him, getting input, so it’s great. To have somebody to lean on when I need to know something, (instead of)
just having an offensive coordinator. I mean, I never heard of that before. I didn’t know what I was getting into coming in here. It’s definitely great that Mr. McKenzie got a quarterback coach because I’m learning a lot.
Q: Was it DeFilippo who noticed the technique work you needed?
PRYOR: A lot of my throws, it was all in my feet, in my hips and how I carried my feet. Since I picked up that stuff up, my balls are becoming very accurate. It’s helping.
Q: You’re already noticing a difference?
PRYOR: Oh, yes, huge. Huge difference. I sit back in the film room and I watch Carson and then Carson helps me. So it’s great. I’ve got a great opportunity and it’s a great time. Because I’m learning a great bit.
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May 18th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
“I talked to him a couple times a week before he passed. He would give me a call. Just a couple times a week–he would just tell me he believed in me and stuff like that. Nothing very… I’m not sure exactly what was going on with him… We would get on the phone and we would chat.”
Notice that Pryor didn’t give anything specific that Al helped him with. Sounds like Al’s steel trap mind was going, big-time.
May 18th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
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May 18th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
This kid is really growing on me a lot. I have a lot of respect for people who are willing to put in the work and this kid sounds like a worker.
Wouldn’t mind him becoming our Aaron Rodgers…sitting behind a good NFL QB for a couple of years and then getting the shot to play.
May 18th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Ooo bad idea to talk about the past regime…
May 18th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Mmmmm nothing like a blunt and a Mickeys after work.
May 18th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Great job Steve.
May 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
TP is the antithesis of BRL and McCheese.
May 18th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I’m feeling Pryor, too. The work ethic is good for the team to see, no matter what position they play. I think the kid wants it and will be good one day. Unlike Jamarcus, who had the arm talent but nothing else.
Now rolando McClain, what’s up? Why were you there with this stuff going down? Because he hung around and didn’t leave, and on the video someone said hide the gun, he should be suspended, lose pay, then get cut. The problem is, we just don’t have another LB with his size and we don’t have many LBs period.
Solution: Aaron Curry MLB/ILB, Rookie Burris OLB, or sign Lofa Tatupu. Our LBs are weak.
May 18th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
10000 word post for the third string developmental qb? What is next, a book on the training camp backup punter?
May 18th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
is this all there is ? must be another slow day steve-
what @ slo-mac-lane? are we shopping?
May 18th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Good to hear Palmer is taking this kid under his wing.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
When Pryor eventually earns a starting role, or if he gets playing time due to injury or special packages, i believe he will ‘wow’ and force coaches to play him more.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Thec Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
TP is the antithesis of BRL
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That’s for sure. He has about 1/60th of JR’s talent. I wish him luck, but the odds are against him.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
On pure potential, our offense could be all-time…
QB: Pryor
RB: McFadden
TE: Ausberry
WR: Moore, Criner, Ford, DHB
FB: Reece
That’s a massive amount of speed, skill, and multiple ability for defenses to attempt to handle.
Pryor can run/throw/catch, McFadden can run/throw/catch, Ausberry can be fast at TE, Moore and Ford are extremely acrobatic in the air and deadly fast, Ford is also potentially the most explosive returner in the game, Criner can catch everything over the middle, DHB has great YAC ability. And of course Reece is quite amazing, can block, be a short yardage runner, and can be motioned out too and expose DBs and LBs. And all of the above can be used for a variety of end-arounds and trick-plays, wild card looks with Pryor or McFadden at ‘QB’ etc.
I think this ‘Knapp’ offense is also perfect theoretically to make the most of all these players mentioned. I bet there’ll be a bunch of trick-plays and packages that get used often too.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
That’s for sure. He has about 1/60th of JR’s talent. I wish him luck, but the odds are against him.
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BRL all the talent and zero work ethic, overweight, dope addict…He proves you can not do it on talent alone.
So far TP is beating the odds.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
1/60th the talent and 1/60th of a brain to match…
May 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Thec Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
1/60th the talent and 1/60th of a brain to match…
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Could we like, see the guy in preseason before we make our judgments? I mean , get in some actual games and perform?
May 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Can somebody tell me what “ODB” stands for?
Thanks.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Dakota Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
10000 word post for the third string developmental qb? What is next, a book on the training camp backup punter?
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It beats troll ass comments ANY DAY.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Kept reading yesterday about how Rolando’s actions don’t mesh with what the new Regime is all about…. therefore he should be cut ASAP, nevermind waiting for the result of his trial.
Well, if Reggie holds such a high standard why did he make former Packers DB Brandon Underwood (a player who has already been the subject of a 2 game suspension as a repeat offender of the NFL’s personal conduct policy) one of his first signings?.
Underwood’s issues go way back to Ohio State, where they revoked his scholarship due to missed meetings and academic issues, I mean, come on, how lazy you need to be get your athletic scholarship taken away because of it?.
The stuff Underwwod was suspended for as a Pro was:
“Underwood was the center of attention in an alleged sexual assault case involving two women at a Wisconsin Dells hotel last year. Though nothing came of the women’s claims about the sex being forced on them, Underwood did enter a no-contest plea to one count of prostitution non-marital sexual intercourse last March. He was fined $379.00 by a Sauk County judge.
When apprised that the investigation centered on Underwood, 23, several players who wished to remain anonymous said he had been a problem since he was drafted in the sixth round in 2009 out of Cincinnati.”
And the second offense was:
“Green Bay Packers cornerback Brandon Underwood is once again in trouble with Lady Justice.
WLUK Fox 11 News in Northeast Wisconsin cracked the story yesterday of Underwood’s alleged altercation with his wife, Brandie, on June 16th, the night he and his teammates received their Super Bowl XLV Championship Rings.
According to Mrs. Underwood’s story, the two were having an argument that evening on their way home from the ring ceremony. Brandon Underwood allegedly became incensed over her wearing the Super Bowl necklace given to her by the Packers organization, then ripped it off her neck while still in their car.
Underwood was then said to have gotten out of the car, walked around to the passenger side door, and dragged Brandie from the vehicle before driving away. She immediately phoned the police, and Underwood was arrested upon his return. The couple is reportedly going through a divorce.”
So, where’s that holy standard you guys are holding 55 to?.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Wow. Very impressed. lookout Leinart.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Like I said yesterday, if they wanna cut him for financial reasons (something they could have done a couple of months ago, but didn’t) I definitely understand, but no way you cut him over this incident.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Pryor, Wisniewski, and Taiwan all participated in a local high school development day.
Photos: http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/High-School-Player-Development/b610b1bb-04b1-455c-8a62-3165127c5c3a#bf4c371f-fce4-4a51-80aa-51da144a9c4e
May 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Carson Palmer said the other day that guys on the team are working hard and are really learning.
You notice how there was no mention of Al Davis in his statement?
Proves that Al had absolutely no positive influence on this team whatsoever.
So much for “genius” Al.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
This kid is saying all the right things doing all the right things that extra work and the mind set of “no body is going to out work me” man that is going to pay off down the
May 18th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
“I want some guys who love to play the game” McKenzie emphasized.
“I need to feel what these players are all about as people. Because that locker room is going to be a sacred place. You need guys working together in that place. You don’t want to add guys that are going to tear away from it.”
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Last time I checked, McClain loved the game enough to work hard, put in the long hours of film study and play injured and is not a divisive locker room presence at all.
Meanwhile….
“When apprised that the investigation centered on Underwood, 23, several players who wished to remain anonymous said he had been a problem since he was drafted in the sixth round in 2009 out of Cincinnati.”
May 18th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Line woops sorry forgot
May 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
23.GG Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Pryor, Wisniewski, and Taiwan all participated in a local high school development day.
Photos: http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/High-School-Player-Development/b610b1bb-04b1-455c-8a62-3165127c5c3a#bf4c371f-fce4-4a51-80aa-51da144a9c4e
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I was worried you were gonna follow up with “..and Taiwan sufered a torn ACL”.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
As far as Underwood goes I have not heard any mention of him being at camp or seen any pics of him oir….anything.
Did he get dropped and we just don’t know about it?
May 18th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
TP will be the first Raider Homegrown Quarterback developed since 1968.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
DJ Johnny:
Carson Palmer said the other day that guys on the team are working hard and are really learning.
You notice how there was no mention of Al Davis in his statement?
Proves that Al had absolutely no positive influence on this team whatsoever.
So much for “genius” Al.
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Uhhmmm…
AD died last october, why would Palmer mention him when talking about this week’s workouts unless someone asked?.
By the way, AD put most of this team together, I’d say that would be considered as having an influence.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Everybody is drinking the Pryor Kool-Aid. He’s saying all the right things thanks to his agent and publicist. It will serve him well when the Raiders cut him and some Kool Aid drinking team signs him to be their, ahem, QB. Whatever, I ain’t buying this guy.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RaiderSam Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Thec Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
1/60th the talent and 1/60th of a brain to match…
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Could we like, see the guy in preseason before we make our judgments? I mean , get in some actual games and perform?
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What are you talking about? BRL is out of the league.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
joker94583 Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Everybody is drinking the Pryor Kool-Aid. He’s saying all the right things thanks to his agent and publicist. It will serve him well when the Raiders cut him and some Kool Aid drinking team signs him to be their, ahem, QB. Whatever, I ain’t buying this guy.
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Everybody including the Raider coaching staff, makes sense to me.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Update:
I found a pic of Underwood from camp. He’s wearing # 28.
Funny thing is i’ve stayed at the same hotel (The Wilderness) where he banged the two prostitutes in Wisconsin Dells.
Dells is like the Las Vegas of Wisconsin.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Did you notice TP talking about how he couldn’t imagine how the Raiders didn’t have a QB coach last year?
May 18th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
31.Bob Marley Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
DJ Johnny:
Carson Palmer said the other day that guys on the team are working hard and are really learning.
You notice how there was no mention of Al Davis in his statement?
Proves that Al had absolutely no positive influence on this team whatsoever.
So much for “genius” Al.
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Uhhmmm…
AD died last october, why would Palmer mention him when talking about this week’s workouts unless someone asked?.
By the way, AD put most of this team together, I’d say that would be considered as having an influence.
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I agree. I was being sarcastic. Some guys are still blaming Al Davis for everything from global warming to the McClain incident.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
35.DJ Johnny Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Update:
I found a pic of Underwood from camp. He’s wearing # 28.
Funny thing is i’ve stayed at the same hotel (The Wilderness) where he banged the two prostitutes in Wisconsin Dells.
Dells is like the Las Vegas of Wisconsin.
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I apologize to the kids out there for my crude description.
I meant to say the hotel where Mr. Underwood engaged in non-marital coital relations of a sensitive nature.
Sorry.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Ooops my apologies DJ Johnny…
By the way, I’m not blaming McKenzie for signing Underwood, I hope the kid has learned to control himself, turns into a player and helps the team.
My point is, several people advocating for McClain to be cut yesterday because “he’s not what Reggie and the organization are all about now, get rid of him make an example out of him” are going overboard.
So Reggie already signed Underwood and gave him a chance to get back in the Legaue, if McClain stays, is Reggie full of crap?.
May 18th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
30.KoolKell Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
TP will be the first Raider Homegrown Quarterback developed since 1968.
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I hope he sticks around so we can see him develop.
Really looking forward to seeing him in preseason; even though it looks like it might only be 3rd and 4th quarter.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
To answer my own question….of course not!.
But we need to hear what those guys demanding McClain’s head have to say about it.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Bob,
Yeah, that’s a tough one for people saying that to rationalize.
I’m a little confused by it myself.
Not sure where Reggie draws the line.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
3 mins. left in the Laker game and they are down three.
They lose and it’s over.
Kobe will just laugh and shrug his shoulders and act like everyone is silly to even suggest they can’t come back down 0-3.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DJ,
ODB = Old Dirty Bastard.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Yep…loving this friday night of playoffs and wasting time on this blog…put on my sleeping clothes since 5…lol.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Let’s Go Thunder!!!!
May 18th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
44.Raider O Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DJ,
ODB = Old Dirty Bastard.
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Thank you.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
You’re welcome.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Damn you Fakers!
Durant is the best player in the league.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Who would’ve thought World Peace was gonna hit those ft’s?
May 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
45.Bob Marley Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Yep…loving this friday night of playoffs and wasting time on this blog…put on my sleeping clothes since 5…lol.
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Sounds like a good plan.
May 18th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Wow. I thought for sure Laker fans would hit the blog after the game.
Where’s Beecham?
May 18th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Bob Marley Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Ooops my apologies DJ Johnny…
By the way, I’m not blaming McKenzie for signing Underwood, I hope the kid has learned to control himself, turns into a player and helps the team.
My point is, several people advocating for McClain to be cut yesterday because “he’s not what Reggie and the organization are all about now, get rid of him make an example out of him” are going overboard.
So Reggie already signed Underwood and gave him a chance to get back in the Legaue, if McClain stays, is Reggie full of crap?.
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I am not sure about Underwood. Maybe Reggie thinks he can handle Underwood, or at least sign him till he goes to jail. BTW, is Underwood a good player ?
My stance on McStupid is very well known; in truth, if McS was an elite MLB already, I really wouldn’t care what he did. However, Mr. Rolando can’t even play, so why would I want him around?
May 18th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
About a total of 100 Laker fans wore those stupid shirts that were left on the seats for them. As I predicted, Jack and that dude with the long gray hair and stunners did not wear their gold shirts, although I think Dyan Cannon was dancing around in hers. She was the only celeb wearing one.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
World Peace had a great game tonight.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Hardline,
Each time i’ve heard DA talk about wanting “good character” guys i’ve harkened back to the Underwood signing.
I’d have to review what DA and Reggie have actually said in regard to that.
Have they said they will only bring on good character guys or have they said they prefer that? There’s a big difference.
You can google Brandon Underwood and see the accusations against him and the plea bargains he’s made over the past few yrs. It sure doesn’t smack of “high character”.
Is DA saying Raiders would only DRAFT high character guys but not necessariy excluding the bringing on of questionable guys in free agency?
Or are they just saying their preferences and at the end of the day they’ll bring on whomever they think will help them win…regardless of their character…as long as they don’t murder anybody?
May 18th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
DJ,
Am not sure what Mark and Reggie said. It seems like Underwood never threatened anyone with a gun ….. as of yet….
I really don’t care about “high” character, so long as the guy is a 1st class baller. Remember the Raiders of old; they could be called low character guys but stopped short at going to jail.
Plus they were world class performers.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
I think Underwood came along when the Raiders off-season first kicked off. One of their first signings. Before all the other CB, LB, OL, etc signings. Imo, Reggie brought him over IN CASE they couldn’t sign any CBs. But seeing as they did manage to sign a bunch of good ones, then Underwood becomes expendable.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
At least Pryor seems to have an excellent work ethic and attitude. How un-Jamarcus like! He may trun out to be our next franchise QB after Palmer’s next 3-4 years. I fully expect Palmer & Pryor to thrive in this new regime. IMO, Palmer will be recognized at the top of the available elite QB’s next year. Write it down.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
I think it’s a fair question to ask what Reggie and DA’s definition of “character” guys is?
I don’t want a team of choir boys either.
I guess proof will be in the pudding when we see how this McClain thing is handled.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Underwood signing does undercut Reggie’s message about wanting high character guys.
Anyway I still support the move to CUT rolando. The writing is on the wall, this guy has character issues, will have trouble staying on the field, and most importantly…is simply an average LB. Not worth the trouble. Tatupu was signed in atl to replace Lofton who we DEFINITELY should have signed. I’d take an average vet for a year or two ala Danny Clark
May 18th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
57.Hardline Says:
May 18th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
DJ,
Am not sure what Mark and Reggie said. It seems like Underwood never threatened anyone with a gun ….. as of yet….
I really don’t care about “high” character, so long as the guy is a 1st class baller. Remember the Raiders of old; they could be called low character guys but stopped short at going to jail.
Plus they were world class performers.
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I’m with you 100 % on that.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
DJ,
I checked Underwood’s NFL stats, and 187th overall pick a few years ago, has 5 solo tackles, no forced fumbles or INT’s.
Why didn’t Reggie just bring back Boyd, lol ??
Underwood, I am sure will be cut soon.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Hardline.
Mr. Rolando can’t even play, so why would I want him around?.
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Seems like many guys agree with you man, but…
Reggie and Dennis Allen want him around, at least up to this point, the financial case for his release is strong, he could have been dumped months ago, yet he remains a Raider.
I’m sure Reggie scouted McClain when he was in GB and DA saw him play twice last year, not to mention that they have probably watched every snap he’s played as a pro.
Maybe those guys think once they get their hands on this kid they can turn him into a stud.
Dennis Allen: “Rolando McClain is one of those guys we’ve got to develop. I’m looking forward to the opportunity to get to work with those guys. We do have talent. We’ve got to bring them along.”
May 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Why is Pryor being compared to JaMarcus Russell? Do they have something in common, other than race?
May 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I will say that it will be tuff for Reggie and DA to be seen as genuine in regard to only high character guys IF they keep McClain…regardless of whether he goes to jail or not.
Me? I want the best players out there.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
#65,
They are both right handed? All I can come up with.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Other than them being right handed and Chinese, I’ve got nothing else either.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
I think Russell has a slightly bigger 40 time.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Chinese? I knew there was something I didn’t like about them.
May 18th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Well, Morpheus is calling. Nite yall.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:19 am
i’m so hungry i could eat the south end of a north bound skunk.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am
everyday is saturday if your a dog.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:21 am
my car is such a piece of crap i can’t even get a scrap peice for it.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:23 am
may apartment is so cold. i have to leave the refrigerator door open all the time just to get the heat off the overworked motor.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:23 am
i’d give my right nut for a hot meal, cept i don’t have one.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:25 am
if i had a nickel for every dime i ever spent, i’d be worse off than i am now.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:27 am
i just got a ticket for jay walking and i hadn’t even left the parking lot.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:30 am
i used to argue with idiots til i got beat down by experience.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:32 am
before my wife left me, she told me she didn’t want to hurt me, but it was still on her list.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:33 am
my mother never saw the irony in calling me a s. o. b.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:34 am
the early bird catches the worm, but i always feel like i’m the worm.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:36 am
i used to think nobody cared if i was alive until i missed my rent payment.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:38 am
why did people laugh at me when i missed the first step on a flight of stairs and went tumbling down?
May 19th, 2012 at 12:41 am
people who tell me money cant buy happiness, i think they’re crazy
May 19th, 2012 at 12:47 am
some people say money talks. it does, cause all mine ever does is say good bye.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:48 am
I can hardly wait to see Pryor play in preseason.
I think he is going to be like Cam Newton.
May 19th, 2012 at 2:26 am
“the early bird might catch the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese”
May 19th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Pryor talks about Al Davis, rookie season, future Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor arrived late in training camp last season as a result of being selected by the Raiders in the third round of the NFL supplemental draft. That, combined with his having to serve a five-game suspension for a viola… [...]
May 19th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Im really really really rooting for this kid. Every time he speaks I become more of a fan.
Dont get me wrong, Im a huge CP3 guy. Love him to death. But TP always says the right thing and more importantly, his actions are backing it up.
Since getting booted from OSU, this whole process has been huge for him. It’s been painful but it was necessary and it will make him 10x the player he ever would have been. It’s enstilling a level of work ethic and drive that will never go away a la DHB. Its very Jerry Rice-esque.
Dumbass RoMac could learn a lot from the way TP has handled his adversity. Two players that have gone completely different directions with regards to the way theyve handled things and we will see the way their careers play out. TP is headed for greatness. RoMac is headed somewhere else that is clear.
Keep it up TP. Were all rooting for you!
May 19th, 2012 at 7:29 am
For those of you that hate RoMac so much, here is why DA and the Gut want to make it work with him:
- His football IQ is thru the roof
- He’s tough as nails and will play hurt. RoMac will never get the credit he deserves for how hurt he played last year.
- They know he can be a completely different player if he’s surrounded by smarter linebackers than what weve had and a real defensive coordinator dictating a real scheme.
May 19th, 2012 at 7:33 am
TP will get a chance and it may not be a large window.
I don’t know when it will happen, but there will be an time when the spotight will be on him and he’ll have a legit chance to show what he can do in a real game situation.
Problem for him is, if he doesn’t do well, it may be his only chance.
Too many people doubt that he can be a legit QB and they’ll say ’see, i told you so’ if he does bad.
If he does well, the other side will say the same.
I’d like nothing more than for him to be a great QB.
Of course we WILL see him in pre-season against “scrubs”.
Can’t wait.
May 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Keep working on your feet tp. It was a glaring problem in school.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:00 am
And all you guys who busted out your purple & gold brooms can shove them up you as$
Go Lakers!
May 19th, 2012 at 8:03 am
This was a TP article, but just to touch on the Romac issue…there is no reason to come to any drastic decisions right now. Get ready for the season as if he is not even on the roster and let his legal issues play themselves out behind the scenes. Once it’s all set and done and he is ready to return, then you make the decision. You can’t be impulsive when you have a business to run, gotta do whats best for the team. IMO you give him a second chance, we will be better for it, he is a good player. Just tell McClain to stay the hell out of Bama.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:17 am
The more I look into RGIII and Terrelle Pryor, the less distance I see between them, with RG obviously ahead so far, that’s not up for debate.
Looking at their College videos, they were both throwing mostly on the run to wide open receivers.
But the media decided that RG (an exemplary kid) was the next superstar and TP (a kid who messed up) the next villain and that’s how they treated them.
Now I could care less about the media, but NFL people are also in love with RG and have few good things to say about TP, that’s more troubling.
But NFL decision makers have their butt in the line, drafting a kid like TP can get them fired if it doesn’t work out, so nobody wanted to touch him.
The consensus was the the kid was trouble and would have a hard time playing QB in the Legaue, that the best case scenario would be for him to go to a team with an established QB and learn for a couple of years, a project and a longshot.
Well here he is, exactly in that situation and with one of the best QB coaches in the League as his Offensive Coordinator, De Filippo is certainly helping too.
Now people often talked about his attitude but again, here he is busting his butt off, behaving and eager to learn, looks like a lot of people misread the kid’s character.
On the field they’re quite different, RG is more like Vick with the blazing speed and the strong arm, while TP, even with a faster 40 time, doesn’t look nearly as fast and his throws seem to lack the velocity that RG puts into some of his.
So while RG does look like a right-handed Vick, TP’s game is harder to predict, to be honest, the player TP reminds me of is a faster Vince Young, now that may seem like an unflattering comparison but if VY worked as hard as TP is currently doing, his career would have not been derailed.
Bottom line, TP is already beating the odds, he remains a QB for us and the attitude is gone, replaced by a strong work ethic and the desire to prove people wrong, so we’ve already cleared the first hurdle.
Mayock said the kid is a playmaker, he’ll never be Aaron Rodgers as a passer, but as long as he can make plays and get the ball to his weapons, he’ll have a chance.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Fakers got lucky yesterday.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:25 am
By the way, RGIII actually played football last year, he was able to polish his game and develop his tools, as opposed to TP sitting on our bench and doing next to nothing in terms of developing his on-field skills.
If TP had played last year with the dedication he’s now showing, he might have changed a lot of people’s minds and…wait, we would not have had a shot at him, nevermind.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:25 am
The more I look into RGIII and Terrelle Pryor, the less distance I see between them, with RG obviously ahead so far, that’s not up for debate.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t know a lot about RG3, but why is he “obviously ahead so far”?
He is a Rookie, and TP has one year of exp in the NFL.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Bob Marley,
The reason why RGIII and TP have been pushed differently by the media is because RGIII’s mechanics were way better coming out of college. That is an obvious reason.
The other, more relevant reason, is that the QB position is a position that values “judgement” above anything else. You must have good personal judgement to succeed at the position. Good judgement off the field translates to good judgement on it 9 times out of 10.
Vick has poor judgement. Vince Young has poor judgement. Ryan Leaf has poor judgement.
And the problem with poor judgement is that it is a character flaw. It is not something you can fix or grow out of. You are either smart or youre not.
TP’s mistakes caused people to question his judgement and for good cause. Time will tell though whether it was just a case of “poor judgement” or a simple mistake. Even people with good judgement make “mistakes”. Peyton Manning has made many “mistakes” over his career that led to plenty of INT’s. But in general, the guy is smart.
TP has shown so far that his transgressions at OSU were just a “mistake”. As long as he keeps up the good work and stays his course, we got nothing to worry about an the media will change their tune just like they did with Ray Lewis.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:27 am
TP had NFL talent and coaches around him last year, which can help his development more than being surrounded/ playing at the college level IMHO.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:28 am
#92 DJ Johnny,
Ive seen you make that exact post before. And I completely agree with it.
I fear the leash with TP will be too short. Even some of his biggest supporters on this blog will be too quick to dismiss the kid if he isnt lights out right out of the box.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Even some of his biggest supporters on this blog will be too quick to dismiss the kid if he isnt lights out right out of the box.
$$$$$$$$$$$
NEVER.
TP is the Future!
May 19th, 2012 at 8:33 am
C’mon Raider O. Youve seen some of the debates Ive had here regarding TP. Youve seen some of the subsequent opinions from the other members.
They want him to qualify for the 2nd spot this year or they think he’s garbage and not worth the investment.
Ive read plenty here to tell me that even his biggest supporters, sans u of course, dont understand the time it takes to develop a quality QB. They think he is far more developed than he is and that will lead to inflated expectations. They will be impatient and want to move on to the “next guy” the moment he isnt what they expect him to be at this stage of his career.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Raider O Says:
The more I look into RGIII and Terrelle Pryor, the less distance I see between them, with RG obviously ahead so far, that’s not up for debate.
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I don’t know a lot about RG3, but why is he “obviously ahead so far”? He is a Rookie, and TP has one year of exp in the NFL.
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For the reason Riff just pointed out, RGIII throws a better ball already, you can see the quick release and the velocity on his throws, now I haven’t seen him make throws into tight windows, but he definitely has the arm to pull it off.
RGIII will make some “wow” throws, TP won’t, but as long as he can be an efficient passer, he’ll be ok.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:37 am
To add to my RGIII rant in comparing him to TP…
RGIII reputation for his character, smarts, and judgement is impeccable. That was the biggest factor in why he was drafted so high.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Riff,
I have to disagree with you bro. Fans have high hopes for their favorite players, but most fans (that have common sense) understand that we have Palmer, we have a great young and talented QB to develop, so we are in a great situation. Who cares if he 2nd or 3rd this year, Palmer is the starter, and as long as he is healthy, no one will care about the backup position (during the season).
May 19th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I think it was Vegas (Just Win Baby) who made a good point a few days ago, RGIII appear to have the same issue as Vick, he’s going to take a ton of hits, when he takes off he’s going full speed and the pounding they take is much harder on the body.
TP seems to understand better that he needs to protect his body, he takes shots but not nearly as hard as RGIII who seems like the kind of guy who will always miss games with craked ribs and stuff.
When it comes to running TP is more like Cam Newton and RGIII like Vick, I’d rather go with TP-Cam’s style.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Bob & Riff,
So RG3 has a stronger arm, quicker release, more accurate, big play ability, he reads defenses better, and he has better judgment than TP?
May 19th, 2012 at 8:46 am
O.
Some guys here just hate Leinart and think that if TP can’t beat him out, he’s garbage.
I’m hoping TP doesn’t see a single snap this year, if CP misses time, let Leinart play and TP get 2nd team reps, it will get him much closer to being ready without throwing him into the fire, patience people.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Vegas is Just Fire Baby. Just Win Baby is a different poster.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:48 am
108. TP has a monster stiff arm too..
May 19th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Raider O Says:
Bob & Riff,
So RG3 has a stronger arm, quicker release, more accurate, big play ability, he reads defenses better, and he has better judgment than TP?.
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At this point yes, nobody said TP was actually better than RGIII right now.
In time, we shall see.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Bob,
Btw, I still think TP will be our backup. The kid is a hard worker, extremely talented, and he is a winner. I’m also not a fan of Leinart, but I want TP to earn the position.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Raider O Says:
Vegas is Just Fire Baby. Just Win Baby is a different poster.
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Ok, you know who I meant, why didn’t he stick with Vegas anyway? it was easier.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:52 am
What about comparing TP to Cam?
May 19th, 2012 at 8:52 am
109. Yes. But tp can improve. And this is the nfl. We’ll find out how good rg3 is after he gets hit 50 or 60 times..
May 19th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Raider O, would that be a stretch to assume about RGIII?
I think he had a better football education. OSU/Tressell stunted TP’s development.
He’s making up for lost time in quick fashion from the looks of things.
And so far, RGIII has shown better judgement in his career. But as I said, time will tell. TP’s OSU stunt may have just been simple “mistake” by an otherwise smart person. Since joining the Raiders TP has shown nothing to think otherwise. But I need to see more than just one year of good decision making on TP’s part, wouldnt you?
IMO, TP is in a position to have a much better career and develop faster than RGIII and surpass the deficit that he may have at the moment. Washington is impulsive and ownership is unstable. Whereas the Gut is measured and slow with his process and will give DA a long leash. Our coaching staff appears to be way better than Shanahans and there is no evidence to show that Shanahan can develop a QB. So far, he’s only won with Dan Reeves’ boy. TP is in a position to learn from two quality guys and come in when he is more than ready.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Marks hair Says:
TP has a monster stiff arm too..
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Yeah, and at 6′6 240 or so, you can’t just try to put a big hit on him and expect him to go down, you have to use technique and wrap him up, which lessens the blow.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:54 am
The thunder got lucky on wednesday
May 19th, 2012 at 8:54 am
He moved from Vegas, so he changed his username.
I don’t like it, and that’s why I continue to call him Vegas.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Im glad hes working on his feet cause they were a hot mess. He could be way more acurate. Better spirals.. He’ll be a fun preseason story
May 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
116. Cam is way ahead of TP right now.
Cam’s mechanics are flawless. His college experience was weak, but then Ive heard very sound argument to suggest that with the way he was used, the offense he ran, and the way theyve adapted the Panthers to suit Cam’s football education, that Carolina is actually more progressive than the rest of the league and may be the future in which all NFL offenses operate.
Im a big fan of the way Ron Rivera has gone about business. It took major balls to go that route and he’s pulled it off flawlessly.
But expect that offense to get more complicated as Cam grows into the position.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
O.
Cam Newton is the best of both worlds, if you mixed RGIII and TP you’d get Newton.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Riff,
As I said before, I don’t agree that The OSU and Preppie stunned his growth. Preppie and the school’s job is to win games, and they did that. There are other players on the team, and most of them will never play another down.
To answer your question, I find it hard to believe that a kid who played at Baylor (competion level) is more NFL ready than a kid who played at The OSU. I never watched RG3, so I can’t say more about the topic.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Haven’t commented since the end of last season here, but what do you guys think of Max Starks? Is he worth taking a look at? Coming off an injury, and hasn’t gotten any offers from anybody per PFT, but he would add some quality depth.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:02 am
I thought the issue with Cam was his lack of experience (JC) and mechanics.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
It was lack of experience.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Riff.
“Our coaching staff appears to be way better than Shanahans and there is no evidence to show that Shanahan can develop a QB. So far, he’s only won with Dan Reeves’ boy.”
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I’m not sure I agree.
For instance, I’ve watched the Redskins play a few times last year, the play-calling on offense was exceptional, there were so many plays that led to wide open receivers all over the field only to have Beck or Grossman come up with horrible decisions/throws.
I remmeber thinking that if Shanny could get his hands on a good QB, they’d be really good, we’ll see if RGIII is that guy.
As far as developing a QB, Cutler was playing great football under Shanny, I think he did an excellent job with him.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I don’t think Max Starks fits the ZBS. Thecsteelwrs didn’t sign last year till after their Starting OT got injured.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
How can you say that OSU didnt stunt his growth? I think you are letting your allegiance to that program cloud your judgement. Im not a college football guy to I have no bias.
But as you said yourself, they did what they could to win football games, and that was at the expense of his development.
Winning games and developing a QB do not go hand and hand, especially early on. Peyton Manning won how many games the first season? They sacrificed that year to get him ready. It was all about him.
OSU and its boosters never would have given Tressell that sort of leash. Way to much pressure to win each and every year.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Darth.
I don’t think Starks has played in the ZBS, may not be a fit.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:11 am
129. Bob Marley
Good points. Im not questioning Shanahan’s play calling abilities. His playcalling is good. And that can be a lot to a developing QB. Hell, it means everything to a guy like Tom Brady even today.
But that doesnt mean he can develop a QB. Cutler benefited from the playcalling. And Cutler came into the league pretty good. Did he really get better under Shanahan or as a result of Shanahan’s coaching/development skills? Im not sure.
But solid rebuttle on your part non-the-less.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I meant his playcalling could be a lot to making a QB look good, not necessarily developing him. But make him look good and keep his confidence up.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Riff,
Urban M said it best when he was talking about Tebow. His job at Florida was to win games and not develop talent for the NFL. There are other players on the team that will never play football again, and it will be unfair to them to try to develop talented players with NFL potential over winning. Like you said, sometimes winning games and developing QBs don’t go hand in hand, but the HC and the school have an obligation to all the players.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I’m sure you guys are familiar with Ken Herock by now, he talked about TO prior to his drafting:
“After meeting with Terrelle Pryor for two days this week, former NFL personnel director Ken Herock — the father of Packers scout Shaun Herock — came away impressed the former Ohio State quarterback’s openness and knowledge of the game.
It may not be enough to earn Terrelle Pryor the first-round status predicted by agent Drew Rosenhaus, but after working with Pryor for two days in preparation for interview sessions preceding the supplemental draft, former NFL personnel director Ken Herock gave the erstwhile Ohio State quarterback his seal of approval.
“I was impressed, I really was,” said Herock, who after his retirement from the NFL as a longtime personnel expert founded ProPrep, a service that advises players on what to expect in interviews by scouts.
“He’s a sharp guy. He was impressive in terms of football knowledge, putting things up on the blackboard, and he was very straightforward about things. He didn’t hold anything back.”
Herock said Pryor was “really knowledgeable” about football concepts — things as simple as naming the teams in the NFL’s eight divisions (Herock: “You’d be surprised how many guys struggle with that.”) to more complex subjects — and about nonfootball issues, as well.
“He’s attentive and open,” Herock said. “A good listener, but not afraid, either, to offer his read on things.”
Despite his long career in evaluating players physically, Herock generally does not participate in on-field workouts. He did, though, observe Pryor’s session on Thursday with a group of Rosenhaus clients who are skill-position players.
And he was very impressed, Herock said, with the throwing session supervised by former Cincinnati quarterback Ken Anderson.
“From what I saw,” Herock said, “(Pryor) has a nice, tight release and delivery. The ball comes off his hand well, and he was accurate. I’m not into (assessing) where a guy will be picked anymore, and the supplemental (draft) is a little different thing, for sure. But I think, if people have a chance to work him out, they’ll be surprised.”
May 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Wut up nation?
May 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am
135, Raider O
That said, why would you not think that OSU stunted TPs growth?
Your points are spot on and they are making my argument for me. Urban Meyer is just as guilty with Tebow. Tebow was a phenominal high school QB that went nowhere developmentally once hit hit Florida.
With that guys leadership skills it is absolutely criminal what UMeyer did.
Like I said, I think we are in agreeance, you just dont want to believe that OSU did anything wrong. But nothing youve said in your last few posts suggests anything to the notion that OSU did a good job developing TPs skills.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Pryor = Cam Newton
May 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I hope we agree that colleges and HC care about winning and the entire team more than developing QBs for the NFL. It’s a FACT!
Didnt you say you played college ball? Did you want the HC to develop your QB so he can enjoy a career in the NFL, or did you want to win games?
The OSU and Preppie did the right thing. They won games!
I can’t talk about his development because I didn’t know him before he started playing for The OSU, but I did see progress while he was playing for The OSU.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
This is going to be a long post, but it’s the most complete scouting report I could find on Terrelle Pryor and it comes not from some magazine “expert” but from a guy who had a very good career scouting in the NFL, to me it lends more credibility than your average draft “guru”:
Greg Gabriel, from The National Football Post:
(Greg Gabriel is a veteran of 29 NFL seasons.
Gabriel was with the Giants for 16 seasons and worked with some all time great NFL coaches and personnel people including George Young, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, Dan Reeves, Tom Coughlin and Ernie Accorsi.
While in New York, the Giants won three NFC Championships and two Super Bowls (XXI and XXI).
Also, 12 first round draft picks came from Gabriel’s main areas of responsibility.
In June of 2001, Gabriel left New York to become Director of College Scouting for the Chicago Bears.
During his nine seasons with Chicago, the Bears went on to win three Division Championships, one NFC Championship and were an NFC wildcard team twice.
Six of the Bears draft picks went on to the Pro Bowl under Gabriel’s direction).
“I watched five games of Pryor from 2010 (Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Miami and Arkansas) and have seen many of his games his first two years in college.
Two things stand out: he has improved each year and he is an outstanding athlete.
As a freshman he was an athlete who played quarterback and had poor throwing skills. In his three years playing he has become more of a passer than a thrower but he is still a long ways away from being an accomplished passer.
We don’t have verified measurables on Pryor but he is about the same size as Cam Newton (6-5 and 245 pounds) and may be a little better athlete.
He has speed, quick feet and outstanding body control to go along with very good strength. He has outstanding arm strength and can throw a tight, catchable ball.
Unlike many of the “spread” formation quarterbacks, Pryor has played a number of plays from under center. It could be as much as 30–40 percent of the Ohio State offense, so playing from under center will not be a skill that he will have to learn when he makes the jump to the NFL.
When taking snaps from under center, Pryor shows he can set up quickly, though he needs improvement with his footwork and staying in balance.
On many of the OSU passing plays, Pryor has just a half-field read, but you do see him read the whole field at times. There are many times that when a play breaks down he will step up and look to the opposite side of the field and try to find an open receiver and at times he is able to find one.
While he does have fairly good instincts, Pryor does not consistently process things quickly on the field.
Instead of being patient and waiting for the play to develop he will often take off and run when under pressure.
Because of his speed and athleticism he can be very dangerous and make big plays when he decides to run. He has a running back mentality with the ball in his hand and can be a powerful runner.
In the passing game, Pryor is much more comfortable throwing to his left than he is to his right. There are some games when a good majority of his throws are to the left and some of his worst throws go to the right.
He has a strong arm and from a statistical point of view good accuracy, but his ball placement is average. There are many throws where the receiver has to make a big adjustment or just wait for the ball. While he can get away with that in college, he won’t in the NFL.
He only has average vision and is not consistently quick to find open secondary receivers, which is why he lacks patience. He flashes throwing with touch, but he can be very inconsistent when throwing on the run.
The one thing that is noticeable is that he throws a good deep ball, but he will also force some deep throws and throw into double or triple coverage. He has to learn that while he has arm strength and deep accuracy, his thought process has to be more conservative and not force throws.
One of the primary traits a quarterback has to have to be successful in the NFL is leadership. He has to lead both verbally and by example and be respected by both his teammates and coaches.
This is a trait that has been in question his whole career at Ohio State. After Pryor’s first year at OSU, I was at an All-Star game interviewing players for that draft.
One of the players I talked to was an Ohio State player. As part of the interview I would ask him about players he played against in the Big Ten and some of his draft-eligible teammates.
I seldom ask about underclassmen but because Pryor was such a big name I decided to ask his opinion of the freshman.
The answer was shocking. He told me he disliked Pryor very much and if anyone said they like him they would be lying!.
He said that Pryor came in with an attitude, felt he was better than every one else and did not really have to compete to get the QB job because it was owed to him.
He said Pryor was cocky, arrogant, and not very friendly and showed little or no respect for older teammates — guys who had already paid the price.
He questioned Pryor’s work habits both on and off the field and his overall ability to lead, saying he was too selfish to be a leader.
Granted, this was during Pryor’s freshman year and hopefully he has matured, but from all accounts recently by “unnamed” teammates, things have not changed that much. It seems that Terrelle Pryor is all about Terrelle Pryor.
Overall, as a talent, Pryor could be in the same class as Cam Newton.
He has some rare traits and is very competitive on the field. He is a playmaker and has more natural talent than many of the quarterbacks drafted in the first round this year.
It also seems as if he has many of the same “issues” as Newton, but still talent wins out and some team will draft him very high.
Whether or not he becomes a good NFL player remains to be seen. With his current attitude, I wouldn’t bet on it but he is young and hopefully he will grow.”
* Keep in mind that the article was written a few days before TP left Ohio State and nobody knew for sure if he would come back for his senior year or try the supplemental Draft, in fact there wasn’t a supplemental Draft projected at the time.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Two things stand out: he has improved each year and he is an outstanding athlete.
As a freshman he was an athlete who played quarterback and had poor throwing skills. In his three years playing he has become more of a passer than a thrower but he is still a long ways away from being an accomplished passer.
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The OSU did the right thing. They helped develop TP, but not on expense of other players. They won Games.
Go Buckeyes!!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
It’s not exactly a favorable report, it highlights TP’s issues as a passer that we’ve all heard (and shared by many young, athletic QB’s) as well as his inmaturity at the time, but the guy clearly sees the talent in TP and, as opposed to what some people say, he claims TP got better every year.
Now that the attitude issues seem behind him, he can focus on developing his talent.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Unlike many of the “spread” formation quarterbacks, Pryor has played a number of plays from under center. It could be as much as 30–40 percent of the Ohio State offense, so playing from under center will not be a skill that he will have to learn when he makes the jump to the NFL.
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I told you people!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Excellent post Bob. Thank you.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
I’m willing to say that if TP had showed earlier the kind of work ethic and maturity he’s displaying now, many teams would have spent an early pick on the kid, late 1st or 2nd probably.
I mean, Jake Locker and Ryan Tannehill were top 10 picks the last 2 years, a focused TP would have been worth the gamble.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Don’t mention it O, I’ve been meaning to post that piece for a while, kept forgetting about it.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Ive said plenty of times Raider O that I think OSU did what they had too under the circumstances. So yes, we both agree, that is what coaches do. It doesnt matter if they should or not, its what they do, that isnt under debate.
It doesnt matter whether I personally think its right or wrong that coaches in college care only about winning in the here and now. What matters is that is a fact. And that it can come at the expense of a players development. As was the case with TP.
Bob Marley,
Great find on those two scouting reports. But you gotta wonder what everyone else’s reports say? The number of people who say he is VERY raw way out number the number that say he got a good football education and was ready to be drafted.
And the evidence shows that. For everything great that Herock said, they didnt draft him. Nobody did except a guy that only cares about the measurables. A guy named Al Davis. A guy who also drafted J Russel because he was again, blinded by the measurables. A guy that has a track record that goes back even to his glory years at drafting QB’s poorly because he’s never understood the intangibles. A guy that tried to force feed us another guy instead of Plunkett. A guy who got rid of Stabler in favor of some other guy with great measurables. A guy who wasnt the biggest fan of Gannon.
TP and this coaching staff are going to end up making Al look good on this one. But it will because of TP’s doing. Not because he was worth the pick (at the time) or because Al guessed right. TP’s work ethic is going to make up for a lot of mistakes done in the past.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Nice post, Steve!
Thanks!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Is it fair to the rest of the team to care more about developing TP than winning games? What are you going to tell the SRs and JRs? I know this is your last year, he is the best QB on the team, but he is going to RS so we can develop him even if yhat means we miss the bowl game and finish as losers.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hell, even NFL coaches do it. None of them have contracts long enough for them to properly develop a QB. That is why so many good QB’s fail in this league. NFL coaches get 4 year deals. 2 years to show progress. And a 3rd to make an impact. And generally, they wouldnt have been hired in the first place had the situation been good with the team so it usually means starting over with a new young QB. 3 years isnt enough time.
Pete Carrol with USC did it the right way with Carson and his subsequent understudies. They bit the bullet early on and then turned into a powerhouse and kept chrning out NFL QBs because everyone sat and learned before they played.
Kiffin has done the same thing with Barkley. They had to start over, but its going to pay off big this year.
But like I said, football is different for OSU. Tressel wasnt given that sort of leash. The people at Michigan, OSU, ND, and a few other spots are just too unrealistic. They want everything to quickly and have too high of expectations.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
O, youre missing the point.
If you want to argue whether its right or wrong to sacrifice a team for the development of your QB for the long term, then I will gladly debate that with you. But lets get past our initial arguement.
Which was, that OSU did indeed sacrifice TP’s growth for short term gains. If we can both agree on that, which it seems we do now, then we can move on to the new argument. But it was you initially who said that you didnt think OSU stunted his growth and now you are giving me all the evidence I need to say that they indeed did stunt his growth.
Lets get past that argument ok? Then we can debate what Tressell and Meyer did and whether it was a wise choice or not. Ok?
May 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Riff.
I think the reason every other GM was scared to death of TP was that he’s the kind pick that can get you fired, Al Davis didn’t have that problem.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Unrealustic?
The OSU and ND are in the top 3 for producing NFL talent.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:28 am
“If I had to prefer a team, I’d probably want to end where I started, but other than that, that’s not possible, but at the same time, anything can happen. That being said, there’s really only one team left in the Bay Area who I haven’t played for, that really, at this point in time is a viable option, and that’s the Oakland Raiders,” Owens said, “Given the opportunity, if that’s on their radar for me to come in and help them win some ball games, and ultimately help them try to win a championship, then I’ll take that challenge on.”
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LMFAO!
This is T.O. on ESPN offering to do the Raiders a favor and play for us!
But he wants us to know that the whiners are his first choice!
When T.O. travels he needs an extra suitcase for his ego.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I agree with you about People in Mich. They are Unrealistic!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Bob,
Neither does Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones and they managed to steer clear.
The Jets just took Shebow. I dont think Tannenbaum and Rex are afraid of rolling the dice (but then again, that deal probably has more to do with Shebow’s marketability so its a bad example on my part).
Herock has no risk of being fired at GB.
Pete Carrol needs a QB badly. And he had no problem hitching his wagon to Tavarius Jackson.
I can list other examples but I think I made my point.
But I also see yours and what youre getting at. It’s worth considering.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
hope tp works out cuz hes had a rough 1st as a pro
getting suspend from play college and decides like most would and go pro in the supplemental draft only to kick in the balls by goody two shoes goodell with that 5 game suspension
almost ended his career b4 it got started that suspension was total bs your joining the big boys college suspension should never translate to the league
May 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Zzzzzzzzz
Carson Palmer is our qb for the next four years. Get over it.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Riff,
You are the only person who claims the OSU stunned TP’s growth. I debated (not argued) that point with you using your statement to show how unrealistic it was, but that doesn’t mean I agree with your statement/ claim.
According to the article posted by BM, TP improved every year at THE OSU. If you have anything to support your claim/ statement, it will give your statement more credibility.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Great article Steve. Most of the NATION was wondering what TP’s progress was. Seems like he will be a viable NFL QB, contrary to some of the posters on the blog.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Thx for the input Dakota (Mr. Obvious). You bring so much.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Yes unrealistic. The pressure to win at some of these programs is a result of the fans and boosters insane love for the game.
ND doesnt have the advantages it once had with recruiting. It’s not a place players want to go play. But because the fans and administration still think its the New York Yankees of college football, they cant understand why theyre not challenging for national championships anymore. ND’s NBC deal means nothing these days.
ND has gone thru a number of very good college coaches and it wasnt because they couldnt coach.
Their current staff is excellent. Top notch. But the pressure is already mounting and we will soon see Kelly fired because he doesnt live up to the fantasy that is ND.
These days, the only way ND can stay relevant is to constantly be cycling coaches and promising a return to the glory years. The fans and boosters seem to be buying that and will continue to do so the next decade just as they did the previous.
OSU doesnt have the academic requirements that ND does so it has better looking girls. And anyone that knows Ohio knows that the girls there are a special breed. So OSU has that going for them when recruiting. But they are still at an disadvantage to the warm weather schools. They will never be as dominant as they once were, but the fans and boosters dont understand that. OSU’s proud tradition and will power to be great should make them relevant and competing for a title twice a decade, but to expect it every single year just isnt realistic. But good luck telling someone from Ohio that. If they had any idea how much better places like Florida, Texas, or California are, they wouldnt be living in Ohio.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
With regards to TO, I am going to side with CPALMER, and JFORD. I like our guys…
May 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
raider o was thinking the same
but this gonna be my respnonse :
dakota do you see the world through a micro scope or do just like to point out the obvious
May 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Zzzzzzzzz
Carson Palmer is our qb for the next four years. Get over it.
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Any QB is a hit away from the golf cart. To develop a QB for the future of this team is prudent.
The org is in good hands.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
And anyone that knows Ohio knows that the girls there are a special breed.
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Preaching to choir my brother!
I miss Ohio!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Your rebuttle to my claim that they stunted his growth was to say they could not sacrifice the team for the betterment of their QB development. You even brought up the very valid example of Tebow and Meyer. Which is a great example of what Tressell did with Pryor.
Your evidence supports my claim. Now lets get past that.
If you want to argue whether guys like Tressell and Meyer did the right thing. Game on, lets do it.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I understand why Tressell and Meyer do what they do. For the same reasons you do.
I just dont think it does their QB’s any favors.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Terelle Pryor will be the first successfully developed QB by the Raiders since 1968.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Kiffin has done the same thing with Barkley. They had to start over, but its going to pay off big this year.
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barkley does not have it…
May 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
KoolKell Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Terelle Pryor will be the first successfully developed QB by the Raiders since 1968.
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Agreed….
May 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
As I said, The OSU and ND are top 3 in producing NFL talent. This is a fact. When you have talent like that, fans and schools have high expectations. That’s not unrealistic IMO.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
OSU doesnt have the academic requirements that ND does so it has better looking girls. And anyone that knows Ohio knows that the girls there are a special breed.
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Forget the debates , lets talk about the special breed.
What so special about ohio girls?
May 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Thec Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
KoolKell Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Terelle Pryor will be the first successfully developed QB by the Raiders since 1968.
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Agreed….
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I agree also. I hope Carson plays well enough to keep this coaching staff intact the next 4-5 years. Then TP will be ready. Then they can start calling us a dynasty again.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Terelle Pryor will be the first successfully developed QB by the Raiders since 1968.
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You have a few members of the NATION that loathe the idea.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Riff,
I did that to show that the logic behind your claim is flawed. You can’t sacrifice an entire team to develop one player who may end up a bust at the NFL level.
You are right, we need to move on.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Thec,
Ohio girls are great. They are fun. They like sex. They know how to dress up and look good.
They put in the effort and dont have the bad attitudes that Cali girls have.
Sure, they may not look as good as girls from Cali or even Florida, but who is. Ohio make up for it in personality and effort, hands down.
I just remember my days in college at UCLA, the girls from Ohio were the most fun to be around. And in the years since, Ive never met a girl from Ohio I didnt like.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Thec,
LOL
Not much to do in Ohio compared to CA, so people use sex as a pass time activity. It’s great!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
I miss Ohio!
May 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
177. Raider O,
Once again, it doesnt matter whether you agree with the philosophy or not. Some schools (and NFL teams) do it, others dont have that luxury.
Very rare is the situation like what Leinart walked into at USC or Rogers at Green Bay.
USC has sacrificed teams in the past. And they did it again with Barkley. You cant say the philosophy doesnt work. And now as a result, whomever is sitting behind Barkley is going to be that much better following this season. Heck, this philosophy produced Matt Cassel and the guy never played a down!
Its what Kiffin wanted to do with Russel he just wasnt given the leash to do it.
Im all for long term planning.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Have a good one fellas…..nice talking to you.
May 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
People in Mich use crime as their pass time activity, and they enjoy destroying their best industries.
lol
May 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Im out too. It’s 8pm. Time to go hit up some bars in Milan.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Viva la Espana!
May 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Excuse my ignorance. I don’t why I was thinking Spain.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Do you know the difference between a good girl and a bad girl?
a bad girl will let you do her
A good girl will put it in for you!!
May 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
How low brow
May 19th, 2012 at 11:33 am
#154-that may have been true a one point but it isn’t today-not even close.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:34 am
R8ER Mike,
Did you really think that was witty or funny? No wonder.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:40 am
the bspn afc west blog has a post about T. O. wanting to play for the raiders.. seems as though he thinks there is a good chance of that happening. the bspn journalist doesnt think its a good idea, and has just recently stated he thinks the raiders haave the best wide reciever group in the afc west..
May 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
DHB/DMOORE/FORD/TCRINER/DAUSBERRY not too bad of a recieving crew..
May 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Do you know the difference between a good girl and a bad girl?
a bad girl will let you do her
A good girl will put it in for you!!
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Porn addict alert.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Lefty,
It’s a fact, bot an opinion.
http://m.askmen.com/top_10/fitness_top_ten_100/110_fitness_list.html
May 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Good grief. It’s porn hangover day on the Raiders’ blogosphere.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Long Live The ODB!
Old DIRTY Bastard.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Terelle Pryor will be the first successfully developed QB by the Raiders since 1968.
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A year ago I’d have said you were crazy. Now it’s possible.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Not* an …
May 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
ND doesnt have the advantages it once had with recruiting. It’s not a place players want to go play. But because the fans and administration still think its the New York Yankees of college football, they cant understand why theyre not challenging for national championships anymore.
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Does that remind you of any other fan bases in the past decade or so?
May 19th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Dakota Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Zzzzzzzzz
Carson Palmer is our qb for the next four years. Get over it.
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Saw glimpses last year of why Cincy didn’t want him. Very mistake prone.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Raider O Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
I miss Ohio!
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Whats there to miss?
Flats…not there!
Weather…sucks!
Christie’s Cabaret…that’s about it!!
Lived out there in Westlake for a while got to visit The Rockin Roll Hall of Fame and Canton (NFL Hall of Fame)…nothin special to brag about!
May 19th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
The Ohio Players. Yeeee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJMoXIlm4o
May 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
People.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Solution: Aaron Curry MLB/ILB, Rookie Burris OLB, or sign Lofa Tatupu. Our LBs are weak.
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Off the field Curry is alot smarter than McClain but thats where it ends,Curry cannot call defence lol
May 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Violent Hands Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Solution: Aaron Curry MLB/ILB, Rookie Burris OLB, or sign Lofa Tatupu. Our LBs are weak.
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Off the field Curry is alot smarter than McClain but thats where it ends,Curry cannot call defence lol
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Tatupu signed with the Falcons. Stephen Cooper might be an option… looking more like Travis Goethel will be the mike backer… although Burris said he could play it, and Nate Subpar might get a look..
May 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Jim Harbaugh: Michael Crabtree has the best hands I’ve ever seen
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Ya hear that DHB? Sounds like a challenge.
Time to take it to the next level.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Linebacker possibilities (if we don’t sign anyone else):
SLB: Wheeler
MLB: Curry/Goethel/Stupar
WLB: Curry/Burris
Stupar’s being underrated, IMHO. He was only a seventh-rounder, BUT the scouting reports all said he has a good head on his shoulders and understands the position.
With an athletic Wheeler and athletic Curry/Burris surrounding him, his lack of range could be minimized.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
As I said,at one point it was true but not anymore.ND cannot be considered the football factory it once was.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Dakota Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Zzzzzzzzz
Carson Palmer is our qb for the next four years. Get over it.
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Saw glimpses last year of why Cincy didn’t want him. Very mistake prone.
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Saw glimpses of him lighting up San Diego’s secondary. Very touchdown prone.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I have a feeling the MLB for the Oakland Raiders in 2012 will be R.McClain whether anyone on here likes it or not.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Instead of being patient and waiting for the play to develop he will often take off and run when under pressure.
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This was the part of Pryor’s game that concerns me the most. He relies too heavily on his legs in critical situations. Not sure he can train his way out of that
May 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Lefty12 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I have a feeling the MLB for the Oakland Raiders in 2012 will be R.McClain whether anyone on here likes it or not.
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That depends on Reggie and/or Goodell. Since McClain HAS been convicted (even though it’s being appealed to a jury trial), Goodell would be within his rights to suspend him.
What I’d REALLY like to see is one of the youngsters (Goethel or Stupar) TAKE the job from McClain. Make McClain fight to get it back.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
SR Raider Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Instead of being patient and waiting for the play to develop he will often take off and run when under pressure.
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This was the part of Pryor’s game that concerns me the most. He relies too heavily on his legs in critical situations. Not sure he can train his way out of that
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The key thing is can he drive the ball at the angle on sideline routes or put velocity on deep routes. Can he stay in the pocket, or does he have to roll out..will he lock on to one read and fit passes into windows when he shouldnt? These questions and more are about to be answered.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I once heard an interview with A.Collie the WR for the Colts and he was asked the biggest difference between the pros and college.His answer would make many of you cringe.His answer was he couldn’t believe how many criminals,real criminals,were on NFL teams.He said people wouldn’t believe it if they really knew how many.A disclaimer should be that he came from BYU.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
We dont have a guy who can take the job. We have nothing at mlb.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
In all honesty,Mark you can’t be sure of that.Last year it was repeatedly reported Goethel was out-performing McClain at MLB.They were said to be considering moving McClain outside.If they were both 4th round picks he probably would have won the job.You know they will give a high 1st round pick more leeway than a lower round guy.Of course Goethel needs to make it out of camp healthy for him to get any job.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Pryor’s going to sit work hard and maybe one day become a Seneca Wallace back up
May 19th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
We dont have a guy who can take the job. We have nothing at mlb.
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We’ve got three guys: a veteran with good athletic ability, a young player who’s impressed multiple coaching staffs, and finally a guy who was a starting MLB at “Linebacker U.”
We’ll be fine.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Marks Hair Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
We dont have a guy who can take the job. We have nothing at mlb.
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We’ve got three guys: a veteran with good athletic ability, a young player who’s impressed multiple coaching staffs, and finally a guy who was a starting MLB at “Linebacker U.”
We’ll be fine.
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Not likely. Gotta make a move.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I figure this staff can figure out a way to do without Rolando.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Ohioraider Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Not likely. Gotta make a move.
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For who? The free agent LBs still out there are either old, head cases, or limited in some other way.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I’m not too sure that the mental picture of a girl from Ohio being a “special breed” is a good one.
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Thec Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
OSU doesnt have the academic requirements that ND does so it has better looking girls. And anyone that knows Ohio knows that the girls there are a special breed.
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Forget the debates , lets talk about the special breed.
What so special about ohio girls?
May 19th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Pyror’s stats are almost the same as Cam Newton.
May 19th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Lefty12 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
As I said,at one point it was true but not anymore.ND cannot be considered the football factory it once was.
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The OSU is still a football factory.
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May 19th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I’m not too sure that the mental picture of a girl from Ohio being a “special breed” is a good one.
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Thec Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
OSU doesnt have the academic requirements that ND does so it has better looking girls. And anyone that knows Ohio knows that the girls there are a special breed.
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Forget the debates , lets talk about the special breed.
What so special about ohio girls?
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Ohio Girls = Up State New York (Maine too) Girls = FAT, PALE AND UGLY
May 19th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
FAT, PALE AND UGLY
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You just described my wife!!!!
May 19th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
FAT, PALE AND UGLY
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You just described my wife!!!!
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And they said chivalry was dead…
May 19th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Let’s not go there fellas
May 19th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
If you want whiplash you go to USC, UCLA or ASU. Not OSU.
May 19th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
R8,
Ohio is for good honest people, so I’m not that surprised you didn’t like it there. LOL
Btw, ugly attracts ugly!
May 19th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Clippers getting worked over by the Spurs right now
May 19th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Raiders have brought in quite a few rookie WR’s.
I’m starting to wonder who might lose thier job.
May 19th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Murphy & McGee are on the bubble.
May 19th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
[...] Raiders quarterback Terrelle Pryor indicated in a recent interview with the Contra Costa Times that he understands that Carson Palmer is the starter, but he doesn’t plan on being the back [...]
May 19th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
It’s a good sign if TP is not considering himself to be a back-up.
May 19th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
DHB, and Ford will potentially retain thier jobs. D. Moore should be a lock.
Chaz is gone, TJ is gone. That leaves 2 for sure spots to win. (if the Raiders go with 6 WR’s)
#18 will have to earn his spot but might get beat out by a rook….doubtful, but you never know.
In this scenerio that leaves 3 WR’s to fight it out.
May 19th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mark my word RGIII starts out slow Shannarat will have him Kordelling on the Sideline! LMAO!
May 19th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
200.Sullivan44 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Dakota Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Zzzzzzzzz
Carson Palmer is our qb for the next four years. Get over it.
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Saw glimpses last year of why Cincy didn’t want him. Very mistake prone.
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Carson quit on THEM not the other way around. Cincy very much wanted to keep him as their QB. Mike Brown was very upset that Palmer “retired”.
If Bengals didn’t want him around they would’ve been overjoyed to get out of the big contract Palmer signed.
The fact they “gave him up” was cuz Carson told ‘em he would never play for them again.
May 19th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I agree that Palmer made mistakes…it’s obvious he did.
I think a better debate is whether Palmer did a rotten thing or not by not honoring his contract with Cincy.
When I heard he refused to play again for them I thought ‘no way will he just quit rather than play for the Bengals’. He proved me wrong. After that I thought ‘man, it must really suck to play in Cincy for him to walk away’.
May 19th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
238.raiderlization Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mark my word RGIII starts out slow Shannarat will have him Kordelling on the Sideline! LMAO!
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Do I dare ask what “Kordelling” is?
May 19th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Mark my word RGIII starts out slow Shannarat will have him Kordelling on the Sideline! LMAO
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I thought the same thing about Kim last season.
But he came out slingin.
May 19th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
That roll out offense is right up TP’s alley.
May 19th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
On NFLN they keep scrolling TP’s comment that he realizes Palmer is the starter but that he (Pryor) will not be a backup.
Not sure exactly what he means by that.
May 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
[...] “I’m not going to talk about that,” Pryor said to Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com. “That’s in the past.” [...]
May 19th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Carson is the starter and he’s going to be the starter,” Pryor said. “But I don’t put myself as I’m going to be [a] backup. I mean, I don’t sit around saying, ‘I want to be a backup, that’s what I want to be.’ That’s not how I operate. That’s not how I want to be. I’m going to work to play. And Carson’s always played well and always will. Whenever the opportunity comes for me to play, I’ll play. But I’m not planning to be a back-up. Get that correct
May 19th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
If he came in expecting to be the back-up with no desire to be a starter and he’d be cut immediately.
TP show ‘em your ass son! Tell where to kiss it!
May 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Cincinnatti bungholes are the Sahara of NFL franchises. I don’t think they even have a scouting department. Seriously. They make the Raiders look like the model of efficiency. And it was not just Palmer. Remember when Ocho Cinco said he wouldn’t play for them and wanted to be moved? On the other hand have you ever heard anyone say Carson Palmer is a bad guy or a bad team mate? I never have.
May 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
DJ you’re showing your age young fella, kordell stewert was one of the first so called ” black athletic QB and when his on the field results were less than stellar, the coach Cowher, sat Kordell on the bench only allowing him to get on the field as ao wr/te.
May 19th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
What happened? Did I run everyone off? I swear I showered today and everything. This seems to keep happening, I post and then everyone runs off!?!?!?!
Dang! You guys are mean!!
May 19th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
The Ideal Situation:
Palmer stays healthy thru the end of his contract Oct 2015. If he wins SB by then he gets extension. If not, then Pryor’s work pays off & he takes over.
May 19th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Sorry, reading posts from last night…
Who would have thought that any team would make 41 out of 42 FTs …
And Sully, I believe that old grey hair guy is Donald Sutherland! Could be wrong…
Anyways…I hope what we’re hearing from the players translates to the field!
Go Raiders!!!
May 19th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Murphy’s done, especially if he’s already battling another injury and we haven’t even had real practices yet.
May 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
251 cont… between now and 2015, I want to see Pryor in a wildcat package
May 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8292b219/article/is-tim-tebow-already-winning-new-york-jets-starting-job?module=HP11_content_stream
Sanchez seeing Silver and Black. Print it.
Lakers suck balls.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
249.arkraider Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
DJ you’re showing your age young fella, kordell stewert was one of the first so called ” black athletic QB and when his on the field results were less than stellar, the coach Cowher, sat Kordell on the bench only allowing him to get on the field as ao wr/te.
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Thanks for calling me “young fella” lol.
I know who Kordell is, just didn’t get what “Kordelling” meant.
TP is a valid topic here cuz he may very well be our guy at some point.
I wanna see TP get a shot sometime somehow, but I want Carson Palmer to tear it up more.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8292b10e/article/former-jets-punter-mark-sanchez-hasnt-developed
Start packing Sanchez. Welcome back to California.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Sanchez will make a great #2 or #3. Put Pryor and HB/TE/WideOut and let him tear it up. The possibilities are endless. Hello Lombardi.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
ReggieMac already got his ex-Jet exec settin the table for Sanchez.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I figure this staff can figure out a way to do without Rolando.
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You know what KK, I think we could too. Even if Lando went to the NFC and did well I think I could live without the potential headache and bad press for years to come as this winds thru the the system and civil court.
You really have to wonder if we could actually broker a trade scenario with Huebert as the go between with the Bengals.
They like questionable characters and Reggie could get some picks and or players.
I think someone on here may have mentioned this in a prior thread?
I could live with that…
May 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
DJ I didn’t really know what kordelling was either. Was just my best guess. Thought you may be one of the younger folks on here. No offense intended.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Who said Pryor in a Wildcat?
can you imagine DMC at QB ala the WildHog, Pryor and Taiwan Jones on either side in the back field?
Then sweep Bey or Ford around end.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Kirk Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:48 am
I can hardly wait to see Pryor play in preseason.
I think he is going to be like Cam Newton.
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I cannot wait for Pryor to play…and for the season to start.
if just to stop posts like;
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i used to think nobody cared if i was alive until i missed my rent payment.
or
May 19th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Lefty12 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I once heard an interview with A.Collie the WR for the Colts and he was asked the biggest difference between the pros and college.His answer would make many of you cringe.His answer was he couldn’t believe how many criminals,real criminals,were on NFL teams.He said people wouldn’t believe it if they really knew how many.A disclaimer should be that he came from BYU.
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He shouldnt be throwing any stones from a glass house. They’ve had polygamy and cults (dangerous ones like Church of the Final Process) in Utah for decades…it is not without its own “crimes”…and thats for CERTAIN. Don’t get it twisted.
May 19th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I figure this staff can figure out a way to do without Rolando.
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You know what KK, I think we could too. Even if Lando went to the NFC and did well I think I could live without the potential headache and bad press for years to come as this winds thru the the system and civil court.
You really have to wonder if we could actually broker a trade scenario with Huebert as the go between with the Bengals.
They like questionable characters and Reggie could get some picks and or players.
I think someone on here may have mentioned this in a prior thread?
I could live with that…
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one trade could be Rolando McClain for Rey Mauluga.
“An assault charge stemming from a February 5 bar incident against Bengals MLB Rey Maualuga was thrown out in a Hamilton County court Thursday.
The case was settled in mediation. Maualuga could still face discipline from the NFL, but it certainly won’t be nearly as harsh as it might’ve been had he been convicted. Maulauga, 25, is entering the final season of his rookie contract. He finished last year with 88 tackles and three forced fumbles.”
-source; Rotoworld
We need an MLB, McClain is 22, Rey is 25, but that damn cap number McClain has….
May 19th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
On NFLN they keep scrolling TP’s comment that he realizes Palmer is the starter but that he (Pryor) will not be a backup.
Not sure exactly what he means by that.
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Pryor likely means he will not be a career back up. He will start one day in the league if not the Raiders – sort of putting it out there with the media that he is either going to be the developmental QB to start or he’s trade bait…
May 19th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
261.arkraider Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
DJ I didn’t really know what kordelling was either. Was just my best guess. Thought you may be one of the younger folks on here. No offense intended.
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No offense taken at all my friend.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Next yr. I hope this new USFL league will grab my interest a bit.
The old USFL had guys like Herschel Walker, Steve Young and a host of other big names. I hope it’s kind of the same type of thing.
Where they messed up is in trying to go up against the NFL by scheduling their games same time of yr. BIG mistake.
The league will play in spring and summer between the SB and preseason.
May 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
[...] “I’m not going to talk about that,” Pryor said to Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com. “That’s in the past.” [...]
May 19th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
I feel a little bad for Mike Brown. He had a ot of doubters b4 taking that gig in LA and this will only fuel it more.
That being said, there is not one person, player, coach or front office personnel I will feel bad for on the Heat if they should lose their series.
I hope those cocky bastardz go down…hard.
I respect their talent enough though to know it’s not over yet.
May 20th, 2012 at 2:14 am
Raider J Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
The Ideal Situation:
Palmer stays healthy thru the end of his contract Oct 2015. If he wins SB by then he gets extension. If not, then Pryor’s work pays off & he takes over.
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True. But the more likely situation: Raider fans boo Palmer off the field and they rush Pryor in before he’s ready and ruin his career. And we go from having two excellent Q prospects to none very quickly.
May 20th, 2012 at 3:48 am
Thunder!!
May 20th, 2012 at 4:00 am
LOL at Sully’s meltdown Friday evening and the Clippers meltdown Saturday, too!
May 20th, 2012 at 4:05 am
Read this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/19/pryor-moves-past-talk-of-quitting-plans-on-playing/
Mike Florio is a 1st class douche.
It’s obvious Pryor is saying that he doesn’t see himself as a backup. Thats not what he wants to be, but he knows Palmer will be the starter as long as he’s here. So TP is preparing like he’s the starter so he’ll be ready when called upon [if CP gets hurt or benched for poor performance]
he’s basically saying he’s not Jason Campbell or Kyle Boller, LOL
May 20th, 2012 at 4:06 am
arkraider Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
DJ you’re showing your age young fella, kordell stewert was one of the first so called ” black athletic QB
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You must have forgotten about the worlds greatest QB/punter.
Randall Cunningham was exceptional.
I am pretty sure there were others as well but I cant see with all the trees in the way.
May 20th, 2012 at 4:06 am
Morning RR have some tea & tree
May 20th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Why on earth would anyone want the dirty sanchez to come to Oakland?
TP will spank the hollywood chihuahua all over Alameda
May 20th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Clady hasn’t done squat since Seymour grabbed him by the hair and slammed his head on the ground!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/19/ryan-clady-appears-to-be-regressing/
May 20th, 2012 at 4:17 am
Mornin’ Plunk
May 20th, 2012 at 4:31 am
Good point about Clady. Wasnt that Seymours first game as a Raider?
May 20th, 2012 at 4:39 am
Why on earth would anyone want the dirty sanchez to come to Oakland?
Good point about Clady. Wasnt that Seymours first game as a Raider?
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@ plunk
Sanchez = expensive 3rd stringer in Oakland!!
can’t remember about Seymour. 1st game against DEN I think
May 20th, 2012 at 4:45 am
time to get ready for church – later Plunk
oh yeah, go Heat !!!
May 20th, 2012 at 5:11 am
LOL @ 276 & 277.
God bless RR.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:11 am
Plunk,
I like Tree Tea.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:18 am
We don’t need the Hollywood Chihuahua!!
May 20th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Plunketthead Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 4:31 am
Good point about Clady. Wasnt that Seymours first game as a Raider?
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Seymours first game as a Raider was against SD on MNF. He had 2 sacks on Rivers.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:26 am
HairyBush Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Plunketthead Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 4:31 am
Good point about Clady. Wasnt that Seymours first game as a Raider?
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Seymours first game as a Raider was against SD on MNF. He had 2 sacks on Rivers.
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I also remember Raiders wearing throwback uniforms that game and Louis Murphys touchdown being taken away!
May 20th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Morning O & HB
Two sacks on Rivers. Thats what was special about his game in silver & black
May 20th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Kobe needs to retire. He has become Allen iverson.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Good Morning Plunk and HB.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Don’t be so quick to dismiss WR Louis Murphy, he was injured last year but proved in his first 2 years that he can play in the League and has made a number of big plays for us.
And he’s in a contract year so he must be motivated to play well and earn himself some money, might as well keep him, he’s gonna help this season and next year we can tender him and try to trade him, pick up a late draft pick.
DHB, Moore, Ford, Criner and Murphy, keep those five and if someone from camp emerges, go with 6 WR’s.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Lowbeam lost his game. Maybe he is coaching material,,, no never mind. Maybe he can take Barkleys place on the pregame show
May 20th, 2012 at 6:54 am
One of those boys will likely be injured. I hope this is the year Mcgee asserts himself as a bonifide NFL WR
May 20th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Plunketthead Says:
One of those boys will likely be injured. I hope this is the year Mcgee asserts himself as a bonifide NFL WR.
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Yeah, that’s the one thing you can count on, if injuries take out a couple of players, I’d be much more comfortable with Murphy steping in, hard to trust the other kids with no game experience at all.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:57 am
I LM too. I never understood that. Do players play the game because they love it and they love to compete, or because they love money?
May 20th, 2012 at 6:59 am
I like Sir Charles. He is funny.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I’m surprised that Denarius Moore does not appear to have bulked up even a little this offseason, that being said, if he keeps performing no one will care.
Then again, maybe it’s his body type, Marvin Harrison always looked too skinny and that’s who Moore reminds me of.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Some of us have a fire that burns inside to compete and win. It did not matter what the game was or who you were or how big you were. I played with intensity and I wanted to hurt people.
I have met people who looked the part but never had that fire I did. Some people get injured or bored and lose it.
I lost that fire more then once throughout my playing days. The first time the fire went out was Peewee ball when I figured out I could not the ball and at Jr High badmittin championship. I embarrassed a lot of fools but Susie Wheeler beat me in the championship and I hate her to this day.
And the last time the fire went out for good when my teammates at family billards expected me to show up for matches sober.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Ever play with a huge lineman in school who looked the part, had all the skills and was expected to play by parents and coaches but just did not have the heart to play?
I believe a lot of these guys get to the pros and they are sick and tired of it.. They would rather play play video games or become a doctor or a layabout or whatever.
But they are getting the bucks so they show up and go through the motions even though there is no fire burning inside to play the game
May 20th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Plunketthead.
Ever play with a huge lineman in school who looked the part, had all the skills and was expected to play by parents and coaches but just did not have the heart to play?.
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No, but I played with a huge Center in high school basketball, had some moves and soft touch around the basket but always overweight and soft, no heart at all, drove us crazy and didn’t amount to much, great guy too, very funny.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Plunk,
I understand what you are saying. I wasn’t the best athlete, but I was an overacheiver. I competed before and after the whistle. I enjoyed being on the field and playing sports. I wanted to win so bad, I was willing to do anything to win. Play sick, injured, or tired. Just Win Baby!!
May 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Even when I sold cars, I always competed with other salesmen. I had to be #1 in unit sales or Gross profit.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am
QBs: Palmer, TP/ Leinart
RBs: DMAC, Jones/ Goodson, ?
FBs: Reece
TEs: Myers, Ausberry, Gordon
WRs: DHB, Moore, Ford, Criner, LM, ?
LT: Veldheer, Barnes
LG: CC/ 26 yo rookie (T Brestrom)
C: Wiz/ ?
RG: Brisiel
RT: Barnes/ Barksdale
May 20th, 2012 at 8:58 am
The Lakers are out of the series 3 games down as they are.
Lakers need to re-build with all new players: Kobe and Gasol are over-the-hill. Bynum has not panned out as a truly great center due to a lax attitude and injuries. The rest of the team is just flotsom floating in the water banging up against the dock.
Mike Brown isn’t the Lakers future coach: he’s too mundane for Hollywood, and has an ignorant way in showing his authority to the players.
I think it is time, like the Raiders, for the Lakers to rid themselves of Buss family bred and insider management, acquire some great young talent, and win championships again.
May 20th, 2012 at 9:07 am
If you haven’t seen her stand up you have to check her out. Anjelah Johnson a former Raiderette is on NetFlix right now. She is funny as hell. Check it out.
May 20th, 2012 at 9:21 am
NEW!~ 05-20-12: DAVIS MYTHS EXPOSED PT. 2
How Davis’ once “crazy, bizzaro” approach to game has suddenly become mainstream
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
May 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am
So then Al Davis couldn’t even win with his own successful blueprint? Even more evidence of his ineptitude in his final years as general manager.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Relly? That’s it today? Just Sully trying to start crap.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Raider J Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
The Ideal Situation:
Palmer stays healthy thru the end of his contract Oct 2015. If he wins SB by then he gets extension. If not, then Pryor’s work pays off & he takes over.
Raider J Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
251 cont… between now and 2015, I want to see Pryor in a wildcat package
May 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Who said Pryor in a Wildcat?
can you imagine DMC at QB ala the WildHog, Pryor and Taiwan Jones on either side in the back field?
Then sweep Bey or Ford around end.
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too much size & speed to keep up with
May 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Seymour Bush Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 2:14 am
Raider J Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
The Ideal Situation:
Palmer stays healthy thru the end of his contract Oct 2015. If he wins SB by then he gets extension. If not, then Pryor’s work pays off & he takes over.
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True. But the more likely situation: Raider fans boo Palmer off the field and they rush Pryor in before he’s ready and ruin his career. And we go from having two excellent Q prospects to none very quickly.
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Nation can expect improvement from CP with a full year and mid season transitions, injuries etc.
I expect
2012- 9+wins/wildcard
2013- Division rd.
2014- AFC Championship
2015- SB
…or bust!
of course, an earlier SB is welcomed but since the team is building from scratch with structure and talent, 4 yrs is fair expectations from a fan.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:45 am
And….if the Raiders can keep the same coaching staff for more that a year or two.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Raider J Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 19th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Who said Pryor in a Wildcat?
can you imagine DMC at QB ala the WildHog, Pryor and Taiwan Jones on either side in the back field?
Then sweep Bey or Ford around end.
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too much size & speed to keep up with
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Would be nice, but is Knapp that creative?
Big question. Can Knapp take advantage of the strengths of his weapons on offense or will just stay within his ZBS controlled offensive system?
May 20th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am
So then Al Davis couldn’t even win with his own successful blueprint? Even more evidence of his ineptitude in his final years as general manager.
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Thats why we’re Raider fans. The pain and suffering.
And the greatness of the Raider legacy. However, Al Davis is still a great man.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
It seems like the coaching staff is a young innovative group. Knapp may be one who has paid his dues and finally gets to run an offense his way. Allen, Tarver…they seem to all have a vision and a program. They worked under/with respectable vet coaches. blah blah blah.
Just Win Baby!
May 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The A’s get screwed by the umps again in yesterdays game.
When is baseball going to stop being archaic and get out of the stone age and give managers two challenge replay opportunities in a game?
Oh yeah, when the moronic idiot Selig is no longer the “commisioner” in name only. haha
What a joke.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82935546/article/jim-harbaugh-randy-moss-like-a-coach-for-49ers?module=HP11_content_stream
Jim Harbaugh: Randy Moss ‘like a coach’ for 49ers
Scanning through a few items from Jim Harbaugh’s interview with KNBR-AM in San Francisco this week:
• The 49ers coach has repeatedly praised Randy Moss for his speed and production on the field during practice, but we know Harbaugh prizes intelligent players, and this is where the 35-year-old wideout is scoring points: “In the classroom, he sits in the front row, he soaks up the knowledge and also gives the feedback, too,” Harbaugh said. “He’s a coach. He’s like a coach. You know, like the way Alex Smith is now becoming. I mean Alex knows as much as anybody, as much as any of our offensive coaches do at this point. And Randy has picked it up so fast because he’s seen so much football.”
• Harbaugh squeezed every drop out of his roster last season, forging San Francisco’s offense into a battering, run-first attack. The team has used this offseason to stock up on pass-catchers by acquiring Moss, former New York Giants wideout Mario Manningham and rookie A.J. Jenkins. Smith also will throw to Michael Crabtree, a sometimes puzzling performer who earned high praise from his coach on Friday.
• We all recall the mildly hurt feelings when Harbaugh and Co. snuck into the Peyton Manning derby. That’s yesterday. Smith and his coach are in a good place here in May and Harbaugh is again the young man’s champion: “Just to watch him mature physically in front of our eyes, even though he’s 28 years old,” Harbaugh said. “I think if you look at some of the pictures of him when he first came into the league as a young, skinny 20-year-old, and watch him develop and watch him — maybe call it a late-bloomer physically, but he’s really a man now. A real strong man.”
May 20th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Harbaugh praising Smith with some man love.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
It always starts like this for Randy Moss. Every team loves and respects his knowledge of the game but ends up getting rid of him and not wanting him back.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Raider J Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
It always starts like this for Randy Moss. Every team loves and respects his knowledge of the game but ends up getting rid of him and not wanting him back.
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Exactly. Having Moss on your team must be like escorting a terrorist bomber. You hope the mission is complete, but the whole thing could go off any second and take everyone with it.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
DKnight007 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
on Pryor in the Wildcat
“Big question. Can Knapp take advantage of the strengths of his weapons on offense or will just stay within his ZBS controlled offensive system?”
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ZBS seems to fit well with a shotgun, run/handoff option. It creates holes & whenever everyone does their correct read…big play potential from freakishly speedy backs.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Uncle Sore Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82935546/article/jim-harbaugh-randy-moss-like-a-coach-for-49ers?module=HP11_content_stream
Jim Harbaugh: Randy Moss ‘like a coach’ for 49ers
Scanning through a few items from Jim Harbaugh’s interview with KNBR-AM in San Francisco this week:
• The 49ers coach has repeatedly praised Randy Moss for his speed and production on the field during practice, but we know Harbaugh prizes intelligent players, and this is where the 35-year-old wideout is scoring points: “In the classroom, he sits in the front row, he soaks up the knowledge and also gives the feedback, too,” Harbaugh said. “He’s a coach. He’s like a coach. You know, like the way Alex Smith is now becoming. I mean Alex knows as much as anybody, as much as any of our offensive coaches do at this point. And Randy has picked it up so fast because he’s seen so much football.”
• Harbaugh squeezed every drop out of his roster last season, forging San Francisco’s offense into a battering, run-first attack. The team has used this offseason to stock up on pass-catchers by acquiring Moss, former New York Giants wideout Mario Manningham and rookie A.J. Jenkins. Smith also will throw to Michael Crabtree, a sometimes puzzling performer who earned high praise from his coach on Friday.
• We all recall the mildly hurt feelings when Harbaugh and Co. snuck into the Peyton Manning derby. That’s yesterday. Smith and his coach are in a good place here in May and Harbaugh is again the young man’s champion: “Just to watch him mature physically in front of our eyes, even though he’s 28 years old,” Harbaugh said. “I think if you look at some of the pictures of him when he first came into the league as a young, skinny 20-year-old, and watch him develop and watch him — maybe call it a late-bloomer physically, but he’s really a man now. A real strong man.”
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Sounds like hyperbole to me.
Moss is Moss and Smith is the QB, don’t expect big numbers from Moss.
When the pads come on….he will play slower and he will not work hard consistently and if he doesn’t get the ball or if he is not involved in the play, then he will take the play off and he will not block on running plays.
May 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Raider J Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
DKnight007 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
on Pryor in the Wildcat
“Big question. Can Knapp take advantage of the strengths of his weapons on offense or will just stay within his ZBS controlled offensive system?”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ZBS seems to fit well with a shotgun, run/handoff option. It creates holes & whenever everyone does their correct read…big play potential from freakishly speedy backs
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That’s nice and all, but Knapp is Knapp and he needs to proof tom us what he can do as an OC.
This is probably his last shot as a play calling OC with this new Raiders stint in the NFL.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Raider J Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
ZBS seems to fit well with a shotgun, run/handoff option. It creates holes & whenever everyone does their correct read…big play potential from freakishly speedy backs
DKnight007 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
^^^^^^^^
That’s nice and all, but Knapp is Knapp and he needs to proof tom us what he can do as an OC.
This is probably his last shot as a play calling OC with this new Raiders stint in the NFL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Knapp definitely needs to produce TDs. I expect to score at least as much as last season since CP and DMc are starting together with an off season. Nothing less.
I dont remember Houston using any trickery but I do remember them putting pts on the board.
With the history of injuries on this Raider team, I’d like to see carries spread around as much as possible. I like to imagine late in the season (better yet, in a playoff game) a wildcat package with Pryor, Jones and/or Goodman making a play.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Knapp definitely needs to produce TDs.
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Hue Jackson sucked. Jackson relied on Janikowsky waaaay too much. If you remember the 2nd to last game against KC we were winning 10-6, and driving late in the fourth. I was thinking at the time, we MUST get six!! We drove down to the red zone and Jackson ran Bush up the gut three straight times and settled for the FG. He never once took a shot. The FG just meant a TD would tie the game. Which is exactly what happened. Fukk Hue Jackson. Anyone will be better than that gutless douche.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
John McClane > Rolando McClain
May 20th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Breaking_Black Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
John McClane > Rolando McClain
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anyone> Ro McLame
May 20th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Hey Don.
Long time no see.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
325. I remember that game. We need a lot less 20-40yd FGs from seabass 2012.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Heat down by 8 points @ halftime
yikes!!
ugly 1st quarter for sure. still need more from DWade
May 20th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Spurs will sweep up the mess that is the Clippers, tonight
May 20th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
DJ
Whats up? Been lerking around. Not much happing in here today.
May 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Wut up Beyotches!!
May 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Should Mark & Reggie purchase and attempt to “fix” the Warriors??
May 20th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Read this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/20/report-loomis-will-oversee-basketball-operations-of-new-orleans-hornets/
May 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Heat = overrated!
The heat will lose today!
May 20th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Durant > Queen James!
May 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
The heat will lose today!
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Indy is on fire (by their standards)
Heat started slow and DWade’s head is elsewhere, perhaps up his “butt”
May 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Oakland Raiders wide receiver Denarius Moore’s performance during training camp earned the 2011 fifth round pick a starting role. After catching 33 passes for 618 yards, an 18.7-yard average that ranked fourth among NFL receivers with 30 or more receptions, and five touchdowns in 13 games last season, Moore has surely gained the attention of opposing NFL defensive backs.
According to Paul Gutierrez of Comcast SportsNet Bay Area, Moore is fine with that.
“I still don’t look at it any different,” Moore said. “I just come out and do the job I’m supposed to do, understand what the coaches want and get my timing down with the quarterback and understand that we have a connection.”
Moore’s big-play ability was not a surprise. In 52 games at Tennessee, Moore caught 112 passes for 2,004 yards, a 17.8-yard average, and averaged 20.9 yards on 47 receptions as a senior. The 6-foot, 194-pound wideout ran a 4.43 at the Combine and showed off his speed and soft hands during training camp. Adding more routes to his repertoire should help Moore take the next step.
“He’s so explosive and can do so many things down the field, but for him to take that next step he needs to get more balls that aren’t deep balls or big posts down the field for touchdowns,” quarterback Casrson Palmer said. “He needs to catch slants and curls and digs and things like that. And the way things are lined up he’s the guy.
“He’s our ‘X’ receiver and I’m excited for him. I know he’s excited about this year and he’s got a lot to prove.”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829394f7/article/raiders-denarius-moore-ok-with-receiving-extra-attention?module=HP11_headline_stack
May 20th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RR,
You know how I feel about Queen James & the Heat. Lakers down 3-1, so I’m happy.
Great Weekend!
Fire Del Negro!
May 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Heat having a good 3rd qtr – let’s see how they finish
Lakers = done
trade Kobe to the Bobcats!!
May 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Heat by 6 entering 4th qtr. finish this!!
May 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Heat by 9. less than 3 minutes to play
we got this!!
May 20th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Clippers and the Lakers. Hot dog. Hell yeah. Clippers and the Lakers. Clippers and the Lakers goin home. No soup for LA. WWWWhhhhhaaaaahhhhhhh
May 20th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Lakers = baked and deep fried with a little toast
Clippers = quiche lasagna
May 20th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
cry me a river
cuz i’m just chopped liver
no nba final in LA
save it for a rainy day
clippers goin home
lakers goin home
May 20th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/series/
May 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Oklahoma City will have two victory parades. One in Seattle and one in Tulsa. Take that to the bank.
May 20th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Buh Bye Lakers
Buh Bye Clippers
eat crow fakers
no cinderella slippers
May 20th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@348 Baker Laker,
Not sure if OKC even knows where to host a parade:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/oklahoma-city-thunder-wander-town-aimlessly-lookin,20405/
May 20th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
The Beeeachi Dawg Says:
Wow, does my ass hurt. Plus I don’t have the guts to come in here when the flakers get rolled. Anyone want to buy a slightly soiled Kobe charger?
May 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
When’s the next OTA ?
Be interesting to see if Slow is there.
A little investigative reporting might give us an idea of when Slow’s jury trial is likely to occur. Could the trial be delayed long enough for Slow to be available to the Raids for most of or all of 2012 ?
At this point, Raids must proceed with the premise that Slow will NOT be available and certainly can’t be counted on.
Which leads to the question – who is manning the MLB position ?
Goethel might be the favorite. Injury prone and no real NFL experience to speak of. Burris ? Stupar ? Hard to envision a middle or late round rookie stepping right in. Wheeler ? Possible, but like Stupar, undersized. Ihenacho ?
Might just wind up being Curry. Might not be cerebral enough and coverage would be a major concern, but he is a thumper. AC will stop you in your tracks.
An extreme longshot is Dave Tollefson. At the least, expect to see him tried at LB out of necessity.
Definitely seems that a FA signing or picking up a cut or practice squad player from another team is in the cards.
My guess is Slow doesn’t play for the Raids in 2012. Might even wind up on IR as a face saving measure. That gives him a time out to get his legal issues and head together, and gives Reggie and DA the entire year to contemplate whether Slow has any future with the S&B.
Bottom line – Although Slow’s likely absence will cause the Raids to scramble to find a replacement he is far from irreplacable.
Might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
May 20th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Next OTAs: May 21-22 & 24
Is McClain free on bond? Can he even leave the state?
May 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
By the way Reggie, since you lost Kam and knew there was a very definite possibility that Slow wouldn’t be available – I think you need to be asking yourself if you did enough to bolster the LB corps.
I realize you signed Wheeler and drafted Burris and Stupar, but I’m going to second guess you and say you could have done more.
London Fletcher would have been nice right about now, don’t you think ?
Or Demeco Ryans.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Who are the top 10 Raiders on the team right now?
May 20th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“Might not be cerebral enough”
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May have just found out how to tell my girlfriend why my Mom doesn’t like her.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Breaking_Black Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“Might not be cerebral enough”
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May have just found out how to tell my girlfriend why my Mom doesn’t like her.
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lol
Tell your Mom she’s spontaneous.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
10 best Raiders as of now….
Palmer
McFaden
Vehldeer
Wiz
Moore
Shonasty
That’s all I’ve got, and most of the Guys listed have “questions”
Still like the Team and the direction however.
Others will emerge as we move forward.
May 20th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
By the way Reggie, since you lost Kam and knew there was a very definite possibility that Slow wouldn’t be available – I think you need to be asking yourself if you did enough to bolster the LB corps.
I realize you signed Wheeler and drafted Burris and Stupar, but I’m going to second guess you and say you could have done more.
London Fletcher would have been nice right about now, don’t you think ?
Or Demeco Ryans.
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I’m certain that Reggie reads this blog, and doesn’t miss a single post.
Your GM astuteness has been noted by Reggie and I’m sure will not be forgotten.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Of course, that post was addressed to Reggie but in actuality was meant for the consumption of the Raider fans that frequent this blog.
But I’m sure you know that already, RaiderLen.
I think the question of whether Reggie has adequately prepared and compensated for the Slow situation and Wimbley departure is a valid one.
The answer to that question will have a large impact on the 2012 season.
Makes for good conversation and debate.
We’ll see how things turn out.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/21/report-warriors-to-move-to-san-francisco-in-2017/?sct=nba_t2_a3
Warriors officially leaving Oakland, Raiders on deck.
May 20th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
By the way Reggie, since you lost Kam and knew there was a very definite possibility that Slow wouldn’t be available – I think you need to be asking yourself if you did enough to bolster the LB corps.
I realize you signed Wheeler and drafted Burris and Stupar, but I’m going to second guess you and say you could have done more.
London Fletcher would have been nice right about now, don’t you think ?
Or Demeco Ryans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wheeler, Burris, Stupar…
Tollefson and potentially Crawford can standup and play a lil’ OLB.
Given the financial reconstruction issues, I think Raider Reg is getting some bang for his buck. 4th-7th rd players and inexpensive short yr contracts to vet players from SB franchises…
and its not too late to get a vet LB. Raiders can let the cream of the young crop to rise then get a vet if necs much later.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Rolando McClain should be available to play, as much some people here are calling for ridiculous suspensions ranging from 8 games to one year.
If Aqib Talib can keep playing without Goodell suspending him, so can McClain.
“Aqib Talib has had several conduct related issues since his NFL career started.
At the NFL rookie symposium in July 2008, Talib was involved in a fistfight with fellow Buccaneers rookie Cory Boyd.
On August 20, 2009, Talib allegedly battered a taxi driver and he was arrested by Florida Highway Patrol and booked into the Pinellas County jail, charged with resisting arrest without violence and simple battery.
In March 2011, police in Garland, Texas issued a felony warrant for Talib for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after accusing him of firing a gun at his sister’s boyfriend. He was later released on $25,000 bond, Talib was indicted on the charge in May 2011.”
- Like I said, he has not been suspended 1 game yet, he will at some point, his trial is coming up and once it’s over Goodell will likely slap him with a few games, but it appears he wants to wait for the result of the trial before passing judgement.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
361.Breaking_Black Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/21/report-warriors-to-move-to-san-francisco-in-2017/?sct=nba_t2_a3
Warriors officially leaving Oakland, Raiders on deck.
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From an “outsider” in the midwest it always seemed weird that they chose the name Golden State. That’s like the Bulls being the “Praire State” Bulls or the “Land of Lincoln” Bulls.
It seemed like a lack of commitment to me.
May 20th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
STRAIGHT UP TURD PIES IN THE HOUSE, Y’ALL
Yo, your boy the Beeech Diggity has had almost 16 straight hours of runny poos after the Lakers rolled over to the Drizzle
Had to order some Tandori Chicken and yellow lentils just to keep the flow goin’
But Yo, that ain’t gonna stop the Weekend Penthouse Jammy Jam, we still partying hella hard. Like Young MC used to do.
The Clip Joint is in full effect, trying to “Blur the Spur” (patent pending on that amazing catch phrase) and I’m about to get my first stripper BJ. Shorty best show dem balls some love also, word
Yo, any of you know where i can score blunts in MDR? C’mon now, hook a homie up, gots to get faded for the 10 showing of Juwanna Man in my living room
GETTIN’ HELLA HIP WITH RIHANNA ON BATTLESHIP
May 20th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Breaking_Black Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/21/report-warriors-to-move-to-san-francisco-in-2017/?sct=nba_t2_a3
Warriors officially leaving Oakland, Raiders on deck.
^^^^^^^^
What a impulsive move by Lacob and jumping the gun a bit.
The traffic at the Pier site for Arena is going to be beyond horrendous and public transportation of far better suited at Coliseum. Why have the W’s been selling out since they have stunk it up the last 20 years? Because getting to the games at the Coliseum is easily accessible.
If they move to SF, season ticket prices will sky rocket and there is no guarantee high priced free agents will come play with the W’s.
Attracting big free agents comes down to WINNING and having a legitimate organization and management structure.
Warriors won’t sell out as much as they used to if they move to SF. Prices will sky rocket and they will still suck! hahahaha
May 20th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
DiKnight why dont you worry about your team who is basically not even a threat in the West next year after OKC gets done wiping their a$$ with them. And your mom still sucks too! hahahahaha
May 20th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Beecham,
Way to go. 16 straight hours is no small feat.
2K4S Rules.
May 20th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
With the Warriors leaving Oakland does it put more pressure on the powers that be to what is necessary to keep the Raiders in town?
May 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Breaking_Black Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/21/report-warriors-to-move-to-san-francisco-in-2017/?sct=nba_t2_a3
Warriors officially leaving Oakland, Raiders on deck.
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Dont look twice but aint the Warriors originally from SF anyway? They just goin back, they aint movin. They just goin back. Anyways, that just makes more room for parking once the area is demo’ed.
May 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
*arena
May 20th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Hey Dknight, while I feel bad for Oakland if they do indeed lose the warriors, your reasoning about transportation to and from are a little off the mark. The SF Giants ballpark is right there and 80 or so times a year over 40,000 are shuttles in and out without any problems. While no direct Bart train will go there, the embarcadero or Montgomery st. Station are only a few blocks away. If the Warriors move to SF, transportation will not be a problem. Maybe you’re confusing this area with the candlestick area. Even though I live within a few miles of candlestick it is much easier and quicker to get over to the o to see the Raiders! Which suits me just fine!
May 20th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
#350
May 20th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Sad to think of myself as an old timer but here is something rad to watch about Lester…my favorite raider of all time.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRC2gqDpo8
May 20th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Yo DJ been working on a new 2K4S jam, this is a guaranteed massive hit
It’s all about being sent home from school for cheating on a test and getting yelled at by mom, but then the sexy teacher sneaks in through the window and her bra and panties get blown off by the wind
It’s called “Home Skewlin’”
Mom says I’m grounded, it’s discipline I lack
But darn Ma, I’m just waiting for my voice to crack
But now teacher’s in my room, guess I’m not such a loner
‘Cause Ms. Huckleberry is giving me my very first boner
TELL KASEY KASEM TO CLEAR THE TOP OF THE CHARTS
May 20th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Raider guy Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Sad to think of myself as an old timer but here is something rad to watch about Lester…my favorite raider of all time.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRC2gqDpo8
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Raider Guy,
You really did it now. Every time I see old footage of Lester Hayes I just really go off. These young fans on here who never experienced the Raiders of old know nothing. Every time I hear them go on and on, I laugh.
Every time I hear Nnamdi mentioned as a “shut-down” corner I lose my breakfast and lunch. Well, you can imagine I have been vomiting a lot in recent years.
Nnamdi is a lil gnat buzzing around what fell off Lestre Hayes dinner plate: Nnamdi had 11 INT’s in 9 seasons while Hayes had 39 INT’s in 8 seasons playing with the Raiders.
Nnamdi at best is a pretender and at worst a sclub. Actually I wouldn’t give 2 dead flies for him. AD did something right when he traded him away. Nnamdi in fact is a “no shut down, shut down corner”, and that’s God’s honest truth.
The main problem with the Raiders is that 1) their staff the past 10 years didn’t know football; 2) Raiders’ players were mainly untalented under performers; 3) AD suffered from dementia and should have been removed from management control after he dismissed Gruden.
Hopefully Reggie and Mark understand this and are working to rectify it.
May 20th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
With the Warriors leaving Oakland does it put more pressure on the powers that be to what is necessary to keep the Raiders in town?
Baker Laker Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Breaking_Black Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/21/report-warriors-to-move-to-san-francisco-in-2017/?sct=nba_t2_a3
Warriors officially leaving Oakland, Raiders on deck.
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Dont look twice but aint the Warriors originally from SF anyway? They just goin back, they aint movin. They just goin back. Anyways, that just makes more room for parking once the area is demo’ed.
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Oracle Arena sits on the land the Raiders are building their new stadium!!
Mark my words…
May 20th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Beech,
Lyrics that speak to the heart and soul of every teenager for sure.
Is a salute to Robin Gibb (RIP) in the offing?
May 20th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
STRAIGHT UP TURD PIES IN THE HOUSE, Y’ALL
Yo, your boy the Beeech Diggity has had almost 16 straight hours of runny poos after the Lakers rolled over to the Drizzle
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Translation: After getting fooked up the ass for the last 16 hours it takes a while for this sh** to drain. Literally.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Hardline,
You know what Nnamdi proponents would say to that? The opposing QB’s never threw in his direction.
I have made the unpopular yet factually accurate ascertion that we didn’t win jack squat WITH him…therefore I was willing to take our chances WITHOUT him.
Imagine if Bartells plays like the guy he was before his injury.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I will say i would’ve like to have seen what good coaching would have done to make the most of Nnamdi.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Has there ever been a Raider offseason where you really have no idea how it’s gonna really play out?
I can see 11-5 and make a good case for it.
If Rolando was holding a gun to my head I could also make a case for why they go 4-12.
I’m going glass half full due to my eternal Raider optimism until they show me i’m nuts for thinking that way.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Peemore Bust, you and your advanced degrees wouldn’t be so lonely/miserable if you joined the 2 Kewl 4 Skool Pump Up Fan Club tonight!
You and other children will get your very own Kewl Kidz Klub Kard that will entitle you to neat 2K4S merch and a chance to meet the band
All we’ll need is your credit card #, bank account access codes, social security # and parent’s home address along with any alarm passwords
Bust, this is the opportunity you’ve been waiting for! Don’t hesitate even one more second!
May 20th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Yo yo yo…what’s up my geeky bloggers!!
May 20th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
True. 2K4S has changed the lives of milions of under priveleged kids.
Once angry and bitter, than now go to school (or skip it) with a smile on their face and song in their hearts.
Some with pending charges for stealing their parents credit card numbers, but with the words of Mister T emblazoned on their souls…”I pity the fool who doesn’t isten to 2kewl4skewl”.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
litter box candy, you know thats right
a tasty snack afeter dinner every night
it doesnt do much for the nasty teeth
but i’m a beast with the ladies i meet
HOLLA FOR THE LITTER BOX CANDY
May 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Wonder what the world record for fudge packing is?
How about the heaviest duece ever produced?
Just askin….
May 20th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
384.r8eray Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Yo yo yo…what’s up my geeky bloggers!!
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Whaddya say RaiderRay?
May 20th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Im drinkin on some Coronas
just comin of them somas
Feeling good and getting drunk
gonna chief of some skunk
Feeling high off that kind
take a toke..maybe nine
You all wish you were me
but your not..so flo wit me
You dont wanna flo wit me then roll wit me
and get high wit me so we all could be…
HI!
yo yo yo…I gots the flo!
What you all kno…gigolo!
May 20th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
DJ, Im O.G. r8eray and not that bigot cop from Arizona!!
What’s up man?
How you doing?
May 20th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
May 20th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Beech Dogg…you aint the only one wit rhymes!!
May 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
390.r8eray Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
DJ, Im O.G. r8eray and not that bigot cop from Arizona!!
What’s up man?
How you doing?
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Pretty good. I actually went fishing today…and caught something. Feeling good about that. Lol.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
…btw…I NEVER fish. I certainly never catch anything when I do…except today…i’m still in shock about it.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
DJ, they got anything good by your neck of the woods?
May 20th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
You have to go up north…upper Wisconsin. They catch the big muskies up there.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Where I’m at it’s mostly pan fish; bass, crappie, blue gill etc.
I catch and release…at least I did with that one I caught.
It was just nice to get outdoors i guess.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Better hit the proverbial hay.
Nite yall.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
May 20th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Hardline,
You know what Nnamdi proponents would say to that? The opposing QB’s never threw in his direction.
I have made the unpopular yet factually accurate ascertion that we didn’t win jack squat WITH him…therefore I was willing to take our chances WITHOUT him.
Imagine if Bartells plays like the guy he was before his injury.
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DJ,
If I am Nnamdi, and the ball is never coming my way, I change position on the field in defiance of the Coach’s order and scheme, so that I am where the ball will be thrown.
I then go to AD, and tell him, if the Coach won’t put me in a position to defend actual passes, I’ll do it myself; if you don’t like that AL, release me, and release me now.
But Nnamdi was a good lil dog. He has no fire and would never, ever disobey orders, even though he looked like a total jackass and will forgotten soon after he retires.
For God sakes Gio, a backup safety got 5 INT’s last year. Nobody is raving about him either.
May 20th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
DJ,
I am not sure about Bartell; I don’t know how he can play.
I didn’t know you were in Wisconsin. Are you a GB fan too ?
So what is it like there ?
May 21st, 2012 at 1:30 am
[...] into the 2012 NFL season planning on being the back up quarterback. Speaking to Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times, the former Ohio State quarterback says he doesn’t look at himself as the backup to Carson [...]
May 21st, 2012 at 5:24 am
San Francisco warriors now huh? Well, like I said there is no way Oakland steps up and builds new stadiums for all three teams, so now that the warriors are gone, maybe it is more likely you keep the raiders?
May 21st, 2012 at 5:36 am
It’s a good question, and I have yet to hear a definitive answer. Does the impending movement of the A’s and Dub’s help or hurt the chances the Raiders stay in Oakland?
May 21st, 2012 at 5:41 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Warriors reach deal to get stadium in SF? Why the F would they want to do that? Oh well…
May 21st, 2012 at 5:42 am
Moving to SF is like coming out of the closet. Poor dub’s should make their uniforms about rainbow colored unicorns.
May 21st, 2012 at 5:49 am
Moving to SF is like coming out of the closet. Poor dub’s should make their uniforms about rainbow colored unicorns.
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LOL!!
Warriors should be renamed Fairys
best be sure Ron Artest would play for them
May 21st, 2012 at 5:55 am
LOL, Artest will make them better on D! But, not gonna happen!
May 21st, 2012 at 5:56 am
Because of Al Davis’s lawsuits in the 80’s and 90’s for anti-trust violations the NFL developed twelve criteria for relocation. This as well as approval of at least 24 other owners is required for relocation, and legally effectively heads off language that could lead to further anti-trust litigation.
The 12 relocation criteria from Article 4.3 of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws:
1. The team’s service to its current city and stadium;
2. Fan loyalty;
3. Stadium adequacy;
4. Public financial support of the team by the city and taxpayers;
5. Team’s financial performance;
6. Whether there is already a team in the relocation city;
7. Team’s attempt to address stadium situations in its current city;
8. Degree to which the team may have contributed to stadium problems;
9. Relocation demographics;
10. Effect of relocation on current television contracts and labor agreements;
11. Effect of relocation on anticipated television contracts, particularly as related to media market size;
12. Effect of relocation on NFL division alignments, rivalries, travel requirements, etc.
Mark Davis has grounds on all 12 criteria if he wanted to move the Raiders. It’ll be interesting to see if the plans for Coliseum city fall through. There’s a lot of money down in LA that they are ready to throw at Davis, that’s for sure.
May 21st, 2012 at 5:57 am
LAST NBA GAME I ATTENDED,KAREEM WAS STILL WITH THE MILWAUKEE BUCKS…
May 21st, 2012 at 6:01 am
Trade DMAC for Lew Alcindor!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:04 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 5:57 am
LAST NBA GAME I ATTENDED,KAREEM WAS STILL WITH THE MILWAUKEE BUCKS…
WOW! Showing your age there…lol
Just kidding bro!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:04 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 6:01 am
Trade DMAC for Lew Alcindor!
He’ll kung fu his way to a touch down!
“You must show some respect!”
May 21st, 2012 at 6:12 am
And block hella fgs!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:14 am
Crappie are da bomb. I love fishing in north Wisconsin. Honies are a tad hefty tho…
May 21st, 2012 at 6:16 am
RIP Robin Gibb. We’re losing disco legends left and right these days.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:18 am
Crappie are da bomb
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Meh, rather have walleye
May 21st, 2012 at 6:19 am
Did I hear that RD2 of OTA’s start up today ??
May 21st, 2012 at 6:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 6:19 am
Did I hear that RD2 of OTA’s start up today ??
That will be good!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:23 am
GOOD DAY GUEST123.DISCO & LEGEND IN THE SAME SENTENCE..YIKES.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:23 am
I figured u for a cat noodler RRS…
May 21st, 2012 at 6:24 am
lol DIRT-LOT
May 21st, 2012 at 6:25 am
Disco rox! Just ask Sweet Kirk Morrison.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:25 am
I figured u for a cat noodler RRS…
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@BSJ
illegal in MO.
not in Oklahoma, though
May 21st, 2012 at 6:26 am
Kirk Morrison > Rolando McClain
called it long before we drafted that sack of crap in April 2010
May 21st, 2012 at 6:27 am
Why would SF want a d-league team?
May 21st, 2012 at 6:29 am
Beeecham > Rolando too
Set your bar a bit higher.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 6:19 am
Did I hear that RD2 of OTA’s start up today ??
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you hear right. Today and tommorow.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:30 am
THoward > Kirk Morrithon
May 21st, 2012 at 6:31 am
I’d have to ask Warrior fans…IF they move to SF, which it seems like they are, will you all stay loyal to the team? Just askin…
May 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
OTA’s today, tommorow….then skip a day, come back for one more day on Thursday. And then they are off till June.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:39 am
PRIVATLY FUNDED IS THE ONLY WAY YOUR GOING TO GET THINGS DONE IN CALIFORNIA ANY MORE.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
@ Dirt Lot
I heard you were going to privately fund the rock & bowl with Popeyes Chicken catered in, when I come join you guys for a Raider game next season!!
true or false?
May 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
I agree DIRT-LOT. The public municipalities are broke. It’s sad to see what the public schools are resorting to just to stock the basics anymore.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
@ Dirt Lot
I heard you were going to privately fund the rock & bowl with Popeyes Chicken catered in, when I come join you guys for a Raider game next season!!
true or false?
You make it to a game next year, let us what you want us to bring!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:46 am
OTA’s today, tommorow….then skip a day, come back for one more day on Thursday.
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@G123
Pryor, Criner & Streater were the 3 surprises last OTA session
who will surprise us, this round?
May 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
FALSE..NOTHING BUT TRI-TIP,RIBS AND A FEW PORK CHOPS Q’D UP ROCKSTAR.U R WELCOME ANY TIME SIR.GIVE ME NOTICE AND I WILL COVER YOUR GAME TICKET ALSO..
May 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
who will surprise us, this round?
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IDK about you, but I really, really want to hear some raving reviews about Miles Burris and how he’s ready to take over for RoMac.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:48 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
FALSE..NOTHING BUT TRI-TIP,RIBS AND A FEW PORK CHOPS Q’D UP ROCKSTAR.U R WELCOME ANY TIME SIR.GIVE ME NOTICE AND I WILL COVER YOUR GAME TICKET ALSO..
I was trying tobe nice…lol
But I agree…
May 21st, 2012 at 6:49 am
Man, that sounds like a top shelf tailgate right there. yumm!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:50 am
Man, that sounds like a top shelf tailgate right there. yumm!
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thats what I was thinking!!
you guys do it up right
May 21st, 2012 at 6:51 am
Regardless of how McClain’s situation plays out, for the here and now of upcoming OTA’s and preseason…we need to develop a new starter at ILB and the time to annoint one is now. Whether the Raiders publicly defend McClain or give up on him, they can’t stand around and wait on him. He might be lost for the year stuck up in his jail cell.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:53 am
Rockstar, Guest…
I remember one game, one year (I forget when) my friends and I decided just to do hamburgers and hot dogs…never again! you can’t enjoy a Raider tailgate without tri tip, ribs, etc!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:53 am
If u see a white guy wearing a Southwick #6 throwback, shoot me a chop and a pipe!
May 21st, 2012 at 6:54 am
Tri tips, ribs and pork chops. What a day to skip breakfast. Belly’s growling. & 2 hours to lunch.
May 21st, 2012 at 6:55 am
I really, really want to hear some raving reviews about Miles Burris
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@G123
agreed. We didn’t really hear much about Goethel, Stupar or Wheeler either!
I think the only DB who got any praise was rookie undrafted kid Chaz Powell, but that came from DVD (not the coaches)
May 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
If u see a white guy wearing a Southwick #6 throwback, shoot me a chop and a pipe!
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might be D-Smooth himself, LOL
May 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
Hwnrdr,
back in the day when my uncle Sal would take me to the games, he would make the thickest cold cut sandwiches and cole slaw and my cousin and I would help him out on Sunday Mornings, then take the BART from Fremont and hang with my Uncles buddies. Good times!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:00 am
I have high hopes for Conroy Black & Aaron Henry to push for a spot in the secondary. I have heard that Kaelin Burnett has had some good reviews from coach Allen. And Dominique Hamilton is someone to keep an eye on if he can be that space eating NT we need.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:02 am
last time I went to a Raider game in Oakland, it was a preseason game against the AZ Cards on Sunday night. My best friend and his wife accompanied my wife and I. no tailgate, think we got fast food on the way there (barf).
some drunks were behind us and start puking. Almost got some on my wife. she was freaking out. plus she wore a tank top and that bay area breeze was chilly on her. not her best experience. we won the game, but it wasn’t real exciting. I think Andrew Walter was our best QB that day. Culpepper was just acquired and didn’t play. McCown sucked.
remember we were pretty close to the field and we were razzing the H out of Neil Rackers & Scott Player
May 21st, 2012 at 7:05 am
DE: ShoNasty, Houston, Tollefson, Crawford
DT: Seymour, Kelly, Bryant, Bilukidi
I know the odds of Travis Ivey cracking the 53 man roster aren’t real good, but I’m pulling for him!!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:08 am
Been a long time since I last attended a Raider game at the OAC. Pre-LA Raiders era. But I did see some games down in LA Coliseum and later at Mile High Stadium in Denver.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:09 am
@Hwnrdr
props to ya, Lakers didn’t get swept!
series probably ends tonight though
Spurs didn’t even break a sweat against LAC
May 21st, 2012 at 7:11 am
I think OKC/Spurs might be a better series than the NBA Finals !!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:12 am
Yup, thanks for that! I knew we wouldn’t have gotten swept! Brien posted on my FB page that it was David Stern’s intervention…lol
And yes, it will probably end tonight, but you never know! If it does, then I can relax the rest of the season!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:12 am
Lakers will be back eventually. Dr. Buss will realize what a mistake he made trying to let his idiot child run the organization, again, and Jeanie will finally be put in charge. They will find a way to dump Kobe’s salary on someone and we will pick up a superstar again.
Just a matter of time.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:13 am
Also, you have to give it to the Spurs! Down 24 Saturday afternoon, then went on a 24-0 run…lasting 7 and a half minutes…is that a record?
Also, Chris Paul looked like he was taking over last night, then…well, Paul should’nt have tried to be a hero, my opinion!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:14 am
Dakota, isn’t it in his contract about a no trade? Not sure where I heard that from…
May 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
I’d love for Travis Ivey to emerge, but he couldn’t make it as a back-up NT for two 3-4 teams before (MIA-CLE), might be a Terdell Sands type of player, huge but can’t play.
I’m certain that he won’t beat out Bilukidi for a roster spot.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
Also, Dr Buss better realize and put Jeanie back in charge!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:18 am
Miami yesterday…don’t care for the Heat, but when James and Wade score 70 out of the 101, that is hard to beat!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
So, Tampa Bay is trying to trade Kellen Winslow, Jr. while working out Dallas Clark!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
Hoping Conroy Black is this year’s Sterling Moore and if he is, we should keep him this time.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:21 am
Bob Marley Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
Hoping Conroy Black is this year’s Sterling Moore and if he is, we should keep him this time.
I agree Bob!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:25 am
457.hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 7:14 am
Dakota, isn’t it in his contract about a no trade? Not sure where I heard that from…
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Kobe has a no trade clause, but he might be willing to waive it once he realizes the Lakers are dumping salaries around him in order to save money and have no intention of trying to field a championship caliber team and no assets to improve in the short term.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
The Thunder are lucky the the lakers choked twice.. Thats all you can say..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Kellen Winslow, Jr. sucks! He’s a cancer on and off the field. I wouldn’t want him at league minimum salary.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
The lakers are in good shape for yrs to come..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
They will find a way to dump Kobe’s salary on someone and we will pick up a superstar again.
Just a matter of time.
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@Dakota
like a said last week, trade KB to the Bobcats
in exchange for Gerald Henderson, Corey Maggette and a few draft picks!!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:32 am
Sirius says winslow is wanted by the giants.. 60 catches from the te never hurt anybody..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:33 am
468. Thats just silly.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:34 am
Dakota Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 7:25 am
457.hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 7:14 am
Dakota, isn’t it in his contract about a no trade? Not sure where I heard that from…
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Kobe has a no trade clause, but he might be willing to waive it once he realizes the Lakers are dumping salaries around him in order to save money and have no intention of trying to field a championship caliber team and no assets to improve in the short term.
You got a point…if Gasol doesn’t step up and shoot the darn ball!!! Well…
May 21st, 2012 at 7:34 am
Miami yesterday…don’t care for the Heat, but when James and Wade score 70 out of the 101, that is hard to beat!
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@Hwnrdr
Game 4 was a must win. good to see DWade finally pull his head out after 6 straight pathetic quarters of basketball
tied up, heading back to Miami?
I like our chances. We’re gonna take them seriously from here on out. LeBron = Beast!!
Haslem came up big in the 4th qtr too
May 21st, 2012 at 7:36 am
Kobe will be Laker for life fools, I say pick up Darren Williams and lake show will be dominating again. I think la wins tonight its not over yet and u will see Kobe artest and gasol tear it up I just hate that Kobe has to call gasol out to actually get him to play good. Fuccck u okc!!!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
M. Brown is a problem though.. The Lakers dominate games for 3 guarters, then in the 4th qts he calls nothin but iso for kobe waay out on the wing. Over and over.. Just like cleavland.. Run some offense retard..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:40 am
Mike Brown is just leaving the O up to Bryant, and Bryant is calling his own # because he will not pass it to Bynum, and Gosol will just pass it right back to Bryant.
SMH
May 21st, 2012 at 7:41 am
Check out the column labeled “Career highlights and awards”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant
KB has nothing left to play for. He turns 34 years old in a few months and he’s not the player he once was
even with guys like Bynum, Gasol & Artest around him … can’t get it done
Lake Show pitched Odom & Fisher = got worse
time to dump #24 and move on!
quit trying to build around a guy that is past his prime and whines about everything. ballhog, finger pointer & quitter
May 21st, 2012 at 7:41 am
And play sessions in the 4th dummy! Blake is worthless if he’s not on a hot streak from 3
May 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am
476. Non of that was true
May 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Bryant has & will pass them the ball. Um 2 time champs.. Gas takes the shot kobe gave him & they win..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
You lot are really lucky.You’ve got baseball and basketball.
All I’ve got now the football season has finished is cricket,F1 and the freaking Olympics.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
475 so true those two games Kobe pulled da same schit he tried to do it on his own, we love him and praise him if he hits the shot but he didn’t and know he looks like a ball hog that don’t trust his team, Bynum needs to get the ball at the end, he will make his low post shot and will make the ft if he gets fouled?
May 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
476.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 7:41 am
Check out the column labeled “Career highlights and awards”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant
KB has nothing left to play for. He turns 34 years old in a few months and he’s not the player he once was
even with guys like Bynum, Gasol & Artest around him … can’t get it done
Lake Show pitched Odom & Fisher = got worse
time to dump #24 and move on!
quit trying to build around a guy that is past his prime and whines about everything. ballhog, finger pointer & quitter
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This is just anger because Kobe and the Lakers made rockstar’s hero Allen Iverson their little biotch back in 2001.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:50 am
This is just anger because Kobe and the Lakers made rockstar’s hero Allen Iverson their little biotch back in 2001.
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@Dakota
give Iverson a teammate like Shaq (in his prime) for 8 years…
I’m sure he wins plenty of rings, too!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:52 am
With a 11 point lead they should have gone inside for 12 strait posesions.. Control the tempo no fasr breaks. Get to the line. Beat them up. Brown called for iso on the wing.. Its his fault..
We didnt run a play until the pick & roll for pau, when he passed like a b itch..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:52 am
Bynum can shoot over Perkins or ibaka, Kobe can’t shoot over that string bean mofo Durant, he will rape harden and shirpoloshia all day with his j, but Durant is a challenge for him pass the ball Kobe to Bynum gasol artest Blake. Sessions ain’t in at the end cause he has no defence Blake is more scrappier. This is why I say DARREN WILLIAMS would cancel out westrook, cp3, Parker, Ty Lawson, conolly.
May 21st, 2012 at 7:53 am
483. Hahahaha….. NO WAY!! He is no champ.. No sacrifice in that man..
May 21st, 2012 at 7:57 am
Laker fans are hilarious, man.
they threw a fit when Bosh, James & Wade all decided to play together…
insisit that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the NBA.
but he needs Dwight Howard & Darren Williams to win another ring??
Bynum, Gasol & Artest = not a good enough supporting cast?
I thought Blake & Sessions were going to make all the difference? Isn’t that what a heard a few months ago?
WWWWHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! WWWHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA!!
May 21st, 2012 at 7:58 am
During the time out, it looked like Gasol told Kobe to give it to him because he will be open, which he was, and Kobe did…right there he should have either taken the shot, or drive the lane to possibly take the shot and/or foul. Why’d he tried to pass to Artest with Durant standing there?
Anyways, it is what it is…
May 21st, 2012 at 8:01 am
Rockstar, come on man! And yes, what Kobe does with those shots he takes, either making them or drawing teh foul…he is the best of doing those! I don’t care of what he did, or does off court…that is his personal life, but I do thank him for what he gave me as a fan…even with Shaq, Gasol, Artest, Bynum….whoever…and that was 5 in 13 years!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Only Magic faired better, previously!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
How can the Lakers get Derron Williams? He is a free agent and the Lakers have no cap space. He is not going to take the MLE or mini-mle. I doubt the Nets would do a sign and trade and take back our junk.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
488. Exactly. Chokefest.. It wasnt kobe hogging the ball. It was guys dissapearing & brown not calling plays in the post
May 21st, 2012 at 8:04 am
491. If they wanted darren pau would have to go..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
The Lakers were suposed to finish like 6th in the west.. They got younger, under the cap & better.. They can do whatever they want.. Still in great shape.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:07 am
my point was, Laker fans are hypocrits
saying James should have to win it all by himself, when Bryant has never done that in his career..
Bosh = injured & out
Wade = playing hurt
Miami series tied 2-2
Lakers = fully healthy
down 1-3
if Bosh & Wade are 100% the Pacers would be eliminated already
May 21st, 2012 at 8:10 am
Bryant has already won with players hurt.
And while hurt himself..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:10 am
493 exactly I like jordans hill drive and desire more than Paul, minus Blake minus barns we could afford him no?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:12 am
James doesnt have to do anything… I dont get your point.
Laker fans dont need to defend Kobe though.. He’s one of the best ever.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:13 am
Laker fans saying they’d be better off without Gasol, now?
bwahahahahahaha!!
make that happen, please.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:14 am
498. Sure.. They made those moves for a reason. They have way more flexibility now..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:14 am
Laker fans dont need to defend Kobe though
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then why are you guys talking??
it’s obvious you feel the need to!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:16 am
499. Id rather not.. Unless its for rondo or something. Id rather pau play like a man.. Idk why he only plays tuff in game 7s..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:18 am
501. Lol. I love talkin lakers & raiders.. Just give me one day to get over a loss..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Buccaneers have instructed tight end Kellen Winslow not to show up for Organized Team Activities as the team tries to trade him.
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Anyone?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:19 am
20 yrs from now Kobe will be known to be more superior player than James. Kobe is a killer and ain’t scared to shoot at the end even if he misses . James we all know gets scared and passes it up. It’s not kobes fault shaq was there and we pulled off one of the best trades to land gasol any team would of done it.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:21 am
back 2 football.
is there anything that Schmitt, Tonga, Robinson & Jackson can do at OTA’s or camp to make Marcel Reece expendable??
I mean, is he pretty much a “LOCK” at this point or scholarship player?
being a former WR who bulked up to play FB, but still sucks at blocking … why aren’t there more WR’s around the league willing to do this? go on the JaMarcus diet this offseason, switch positions & you’re a matchup nightmare for D-Liners & LB’s out of the backfield, Right?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:22 am
I love talkin lakers & raiders.. Just give me one day to get over a loss..
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fair enough, Mark
how many days will you need to get over tonight’s Laker loss?
you’ll be cool by Wednesday ??
May 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Buccaneers have instructed tight end Kellen Winslow not to show up for Organized Team Activities as the team tries to trade him.
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Anyone?
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smh
Ausberry is better. I think Gordon is better.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Oooh, hypocrite? LOL
I really have nothing against James. He is a dam good player…the thing I didn’t like about him was that stupid decision thing! Anyways…he played well yesterday, and pretty much has been this series, but I’m sorry…he hasn’t shown that he can take over a series, and before you say anything…Kobe has! Maybe he can’t anymore because he is 33, or 34, but he has!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:22 am
I love talkin lakers & raiders.. Just give me one day to get over a loss..
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fair enough, Mark
how many days will you need to get over tonight’s Laker loss?
you’ll be cool by Wednesday ??
Not saying they will, but what if the series goes back to LA on Wednesday?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:26 am
no to Kellen Winslow !!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
what if the series goes back to LA on Wednesday?
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@Hwnrdr
Jack Nicholson might have a heart attack after the Game 6 loss in L.A. ??
May 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
Fakers are done, so stop whining.
LOL @ RR.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:26 am
no to Kellen Winslow !!
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Amen!
I know a lot of local fans in Tampa who are cheering Greg Schiano for telling Winslow to stay away from Bucs OTA’s. He’s garbage, attitude and effort is lacking. I bet they end up cutting him because no will give up anything for him.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
RR is having too much fun with the Fakers Fans.
The only person I feel bad for is Hwnrdr, the rest of you can enjoy your fakers losing!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Fakers = DONE!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Raider O Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
Fakers are done, so stop whining.
LOL @ RR.
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hahahahahaha….
bryant 2-10 in the fouth qtr…
kobe has zero legs in the 4th qtr. He has no lift on his J….
He needs to difer in the 4th.
Charles was right, “you do a stupid thing once, and it works. You will continue to do stupid things…
May 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Raider O Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
Fakers are done, so stop whining.
LOL @ RR.
LOL, O…who’s whining?
And by the way…since you’re in SD, and a Charger fan calls you a Trader or Fader fan, woudl you like that?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:32 am
I bet they end up cutting him because no will give up anything for him
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agreed, G123
like us with McClain. Eventually he’ll have to be cut
May 21st, 2012 at 8:33 am
Fakers = DONE!
RR is having too much fun with the Fakers Fans.
The only person I feel bad for is Hwnrdr, the rest of you can enjoy your fakers losing!
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@Kentucky
co-signed, everything!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:33 am
And BTW, Jack looked like he wanted to punch someone Saturday night…you know, that would be funny!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:33 am
Hwnrdr, Whats going on Bruhski??? Hope all is good.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:33 am
And BTW, Jack looked like he wanted to punch someone Saturday night…you know, that would be funny!
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Thought he was going to go after the ref…
May 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
You know what? I have changed my mind, and I don’t feel bad for Hwnrdr. Destroy the Fakers!!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
What’s up, Thec? All is good…typical system issues for a Monday morning! Other than that…what about you? What’s good down south?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:36 am
VOTE no on winslow
May 21st, 2012 at 8:37 am
hwnrdr, same story for monday. Wash, rinse, repeat.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:37 am
Raider O Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
You know what? I have changed my mind, and I don’t feel bad for Hwnrdr. Destroy the Fakers!!
Ok…lol, not asking you too! Also, not not getting on you for Chris Paul trying to be a hero himself last night!
Hey guys, you all know its all good!
I’m used to hating, just like all of us here! We are Raider fans after all!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:38 am
sun, mon, tues, wed, thurs, fri, sat <—mundane with out Raider football
May 21st, 2012 at 8:38 am
I’m used to hating, just like all of us here! We are Raider fans after all!
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@Hwnrdr
Exactly, gotta have thick skin
Raiders = the NFL team everybody loves to hate
May 21st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Good Morning Nation.
Hwnrdr,
I hear all kind of crap about the Raiders, and I let those wagon hoppers discharged scum have it. I like you, I don’t want to bother you, but my hate is too strong not to call them Fakers.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
We’re down 3-1 the next loss wont hurt unless we push the series to 7. That would give me some juice..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Hwnrdr,
LOL
Nice.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
I’m so used to the Raider hate, I couldn’t imagine it any other way. It’s part of the ‘mystique’ I think. Part of being a part of the dark side.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:43 am
Its all good O! I just wanted to have fun also this morning!
I know you, Rockstar, and a few others hate The Lakers…it doesn’t bother me!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:43 am
If we sign winslow, someone will always be open.. Too many weapons
May 21st, 2012 at 8:45 am
Non champs hate multi time champs.. Its the cost of glory..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:46 am
I tried to do the same yesterday to RR, but his cry baby queen James and his team won. Too bad.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Im in on Winslow..
May 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
LOL, well, I guess James did here Magic Johnson calling him out the other day!
May 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
winslow is a psxxy who taps his helmet after every catch, never practices on Wednesdays, can’t and won’t block for anyone, and whines and moans if he’s not thrown the ball 10 times a game. he’s a cancer on and off the field.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Before you say you are in on Winslow, consider he’s got 3 years/$13 million left on his contract, and that Tampa expects something in return for him.
smh that anyone thinks he’s worth 2 shhhts.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:55 am
guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
winslow is a psxxy who taps his helmet after every catch, never practices on Wednesdays, can’t and won’t block for anyone, and whines and moans if he’s not thrown the ball 10 times a game. he’s a cancer on and off the field.
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Couldnt be any further off.
Winslow is a very good blocker, plays with heart.
And he wont be traded, he will be cut & sign somewhere. So leave the contract talk out.
May 21st, 2012 at 8:58 am
Winslow is a very good blocker, plays with heart.
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cough cough cough weeze….spit coffee on my screen.
You do know I live in Tampa and have to watch that crap on a weekly basis?
May 21st, 2012 at 8:58 am
I tried to do the same yesterday to RR, but his cry baby queen James and his team won.
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@Kentucky
Heat will win Tuesday & Thursday, as well!!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:04 am
guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 8:58 am
Winslow is a very good blocker, plays with heart.
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cough cough cough weeze….spit coffee on my screen.
You do know I live in Tampa and have to watch that crap on a weekly basis?
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In the day & age of NFL Ticket with DirecTV, that means NOTHING.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
ADAM SCHEIN: The perfect fit for Winslow, if he would take big pay cut, is Oakland.
(dont know if this was posted)
May 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Anybody notice Perkins has a lil tale on the back of his head, lol check it out tonight. Hope artest and Bynum start dropping thunder players if we lose, lol just playin, not. Can’t stand that bitcccctch azz diva Westbrook.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:11 am
Westbrook >
May 21st, 2012 at 9:11 am
Westbrook was the factor though! Can’t let him pull up and take his jumper. Lakers has to get back to playing there game and not get sucked into playing theres! What I thought was funny was when Westbrook tried to go up against Artest!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am
Kellen Winslow is a malcontent and that’s with him making big money. Imagine how hard he’ll work for NFL minimum? Yeah, that sounds like someone the Raiders need! lol.
Again if I had NFL ticket, I’d be watching only the Raiders games, but I don’t so I see a lot more Bucs than probably anyone on this board. Regardless of if you have NFL ticket or not.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:17 am
lol @ national media like Adam Schein who would love nothing better than the Raiders continue to be dysfunctional and take other people’s trash. It gives them hope to keep writing their hate articles.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Something else you’d be getting with Winslow. Shot knees. He has to take painkillers on the sidelines just to make it through the game.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
So we’re getting closer to that Thunder-Heat Final.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:17 am
lol @ national media like Adam Schein who would love nothing better than the Raiders continue to be dysfunctional and take other people’s trash. It gives them hope to keep writing their hate articles.
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*sigh*
Your the guy who we have to explain to others “Im not that kind of Raider fan”..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
So we’re getting closer to that Thunder-Heat Final.
What’s up DMAC? Do you really believe that the Spurs are going to lose to the Thunder?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Winslow has been playing on 1 knee. And still performing. Toughh. Physical.
We wouldnt need him to play all the snaps, thats why he is a fit.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Also, with Boston owning Miami in the regular series…
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
So we’re getting closer to that Thunder-Heat Final.
What’s up DMAC? Do you really believe that the Spurs are going to lose to the Thunder?
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What up Hwnrdr
The Spurs are a great team, but I think the Thunder are to athletic for an aging Spurs team.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Also, with Boston owning Miami in the regular series…
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Lets just hope the Pacers can win the series..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Winslow was Freemans only target the last few years is why he has caught so many balls on one knee.
I doubt he will take a pay cut and he can be a locker room diva.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Fk Winslow!
Ausberry will surprise a whole lot of folks.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
The thing with Winslow though…do you think that Reggie and DA feel that we need a vet presence, no matter who, at the TE position?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:23 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
So we’re getting closer to that Thunder-Heat Final.
What’s up DMAC? Do you really believe that the Spurs are going to lose to the Thunder?
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What up Hwnrdr
The Spurs are a great team, but I think the Thunder are to athletic for an aging Spurs team.
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The problem is when the Thunder go small with Durant at the 4.
How do the Spurs matchup?..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:24 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Winslow was Freemans only target the last few years is why he has caught so many balls on one knee.
I doubt he will take a pay cut and he can be a locker room diva.
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Or, he was who Freeman always threw to because Freeman is young & a TE is always the security blanket for a young QB..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:24 am
DMAC, but right now, they have the right blend of age with their young guys! They argubly have the deepest bench, along with The Pacers!
Deuce, I think The Pacers just may surprise! And watch out for Philly!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
And if he was the only target and STILL caught that many passes on 1 knee, defenses knew this…you get the point.. Thanks.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Fk Winslow!
Ausberry will surprise a whole lot of folks.
*******
co-sign!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:26 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:24 am
DMAC, but right now, they have the right blend of age with their young guys! They argubly have the deepest bench, along with The Pacers!
Deuce, I think The Pacers just may surprise! And watch out for Philly!
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The Pacers & Sixers are great for the game. Un-selfish team ball..
Too bad thats not what BSPN wants to show..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Also, do you think Kellen Winslow, Sr will allow Jr to come to Oakland?…lol
Hey you never know!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am
I agree, I like Ausberry.
Thing is we cant put all we have on a guy like him panning out.
Hate to be a year from now saying, man if had a TE we would have made a playoff run.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Also, do you think Kellen Winslow, Sr will allow Jr to come to Oakland?…lol
Hey you never know!
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Thomas Howard’s dad didnt mind?..lol
May 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am
Oh DMAC…go A’s! So who’s fault was it Friday’s? Parker, or Melvin for letting him pitch while sick? Or did they have a choice?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Can we get mlb now? Screw Winslow we need a MLB the qb of the defence ours will be in jail for a few months and will come out in bad shape and slower, this is a big deal!!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Or, he was who Freeman always threw to because Freeman is young & a TE is always the security blanket for a young QB..
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More like there really wasn’t any WR’s Freeman could count on. Winslow got the targets by default. He’s not a security blanket. He can’t even play multiple plays in a row. Sucks at blocking anyone. Complains if he’s not at least the #2 receiver on his team. Diva psxxy, and Ausberry is going to be a big part of this offense. We don’t need or want this washed up KW. I predict it will be his last in the league. He’s running/limping on fumes.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
DEATHROW 55 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Can we get mlb now? Screw Winslow we need a MLB the qb of the defence ours will be in jail for a few months and will come out in bad shape and slower, this is a big deal!!
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Our starting MLB is already on the roster.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
I don’t know really know how Knapp will utilize his TE’s in this Offense, but what I do know is that CP3 doesn’t throw to his TE’s much anyway. I think our starting TE’s will be in to block a whole lot and occasionally make the catch when their # is called.
Ausberry, Myers and Gordon will be fine.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Our starting MLB is already on the roster.
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Are u saying McClain will be the guy regardless of whether he goes to jail or not?
My understanding is if he doesn’t get his appeal then he goes in the first part of June…
That IS a problem.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:33 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
I don’t know really know how Knapp will utilize his TE’s in this Offense, but what I do know is that CP3 doesn’t throw to his TE’s much anyway. I think our starting TE’s will be in to block a whole lot and occasionally make the catch when their # is called.
Ausberry, Myers and Gordon will be fine.
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Well considering he brought in Leinart due to familiarity, We can look at Houston’s offense & see the TE used heavily..
I agree the guys on roster should be capable.
Im saying on a cheap deal, Winslow is too good to pass up.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:33 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am
Oh DMAC…go A’s! So who’s fault was it Friday’s? Parker, or Melvin for letting him pitch while sick? Or did they have a choice?
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Can’t fault the kid for wanting to pitch. We lost Friday, no excuses. What a bull schit call on Saturday, though. Didn’t we just discussed all the blown calls these old ass umps were committing?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
I agree that CP3 won’t need the TE much anyway. I think Criner will fill the role of possession receiver and move the chains. Ausberry, Myers and Gordon will do fine playing supplementary roles and a lot of blocking. Offense doesn’t flow thru the TE.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
DJ Johnny Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Our starting MLB is already on the roster.
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Are u saying McClain will be the guy regardless of whether he goes to jail or not?
My understanding is if he doesn’t get his appeal then he goes in the first part of June…
That IS a problem.
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Im saying that the starting MLB is on the roster already. Wether it be McClain, Curry, Goethel, Burris or Stupar.
McClain wont see a court room until after the season. These athletes always get to play their season out..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Goethal will be hurt tomorrow and stupar wasn’t drafted to start. Burris I like oh wait could he be the one with wheeler and curry as outside backers? I like but no depth we need depth still……,
May 21st, 2012 at 9:36 am
You guys really didnt watch Houston games??
Bootleg offense uses the TE, a lot.
Pssst…Thats what we will be doing.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:36 am
The Pacers & Sixers are great for the game. Un-selfish team ball..
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truth, here
rooting for Philly & Miami to make it to RD3
as DMAC predicted before the season started, Thunder/Heat in Finals
May 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
So how many games will Goodell suspend Romac for?
4-6 games or the entire season?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Is there anything going on today? Practice? Anyone arrested over the weekend? Something!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I didn’t watch Saturday, I know it was 0-0 until what? The 8th? What happened?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:38 am
Goodell=season
May 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I didn’t watch Saturday, I know it was 0-0 until what? The 8th? What happened?
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Here’s the story on the blown call.
http://www.rantsports.com/clubhouse/2012/05/19/a-blown-call-from-jim-joyce-and-james-hoye-should-lead-to-a-severe-punishment-by-major-league-baseball/
May 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
Saying Criner will be the posession guy sounds good.
Fact is the object is having your base offense in and being able to do multiple things. Thats what Houston does.
Line up 2 WRs, RB, FB, TE.. and do everything.
Taking the TE off the field makes no sense in this offense.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
You guys really didnt watch Houston games??
Bootleg offense uses the TE, a lot.
Pssst…Thats what we will be doing.
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@DAV
Carson Palmer running bootlegs isn’t using your personnel to their strengths. I hope this doesn’t happen. You don’t put a guy with Kerry Collins type mobility in a Jeff Garcia type offense. He might be on I.R. by Week 7
btw, Palmer isn’t Schaub either. I don’t see the comparison
May 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
So how many games will Goodell suspend Romac for?
4-6 games or the entire season?
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None until after the trial by jury IMO.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
RoMac’s possible replacements:
Goethal is our defensive answer to Chaz Schilens
Curry is limited in pass coverage and can’t stop the run. Burris is a rookie and has a steep learning curve.
I’m hoping Burris is a quick learner.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:40 am
DJ Johnny Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
My understanding is if he doesn’t get his appeal then he goes in the first part of June…
That IS a problem.
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His appeal is guaranteed. Alabama law states that if your first judge-only trial results in jail time, you can automatically appeal it to a “de novo” jury trial (which basically means everything starts over again).
May 21st, 2012 at 9:40 am
Where did that MLB from Houston go to I think his name was Sammy Brown??
May 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
That being said, Id rather have Plax/TO, EJ Henderson or Benson before Winslow.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
RoMac’s possible replacements:
Goethal is our defensive answer to Chaz Schilens
Curry is limited in pass coverage and can’t stop the run. Burris is a rookie and has a steep learning curve.
I’m hoping Burris is a quick learner.
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It wouldn’t be Burris at MLB. They’re training him for OLB.
If our MLB is someone on the roster, it’ll be either Curry, Goethel or Stupar.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Palmer isn’t Schaub either. I don’t see the comparison
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agreed. And I don’t think GK will try to force him to be a Jeff Garcia type. He is what he is.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:42 am
I would roll the dice on EJ Henderson. We would actually get to see what a real MLB plays like.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
RoMac’s suspension will be 3 games. If he’d assaulted a woman, it would be one game.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Duck,
I heard from somewhere? I think a DA press conference that Burris can play all 3 LB spots. I didn’t know he was limited to OLB?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
Palmer & Schaub are almost identical..
Schaub – 6′5″ 241, knee problems, slow..
Palmer – 6′5″ 236, knee problems, slow..
lol come on guys.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:45 am
guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Duck,
I heard from somewhere? I think a DA press conference that Burris can play all 3 LB spots. I didn’t know he was limited to OLB?
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Correct. He played some MLB at SDSU
May 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
EJ Henderson would at least be a reasonable comp to RoMac from last year. And he can be signed cheap off the street now. Why not?
May 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
DMAC, I hope that with that, that the league does take action! I know McCarthy was hysterical after his catch was called a drop! Crazy crap man!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Ausberry will surprise a whole lot of folks.
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I don’t know much about this kid. I know Palmer raved about him and he’s been working with Palmer, DHB & T.O. this offseason. I know he bulked up this year.
Haven’t seen much yet, though. Too early to crown him imo
Hope he’s a better blocker than Reece.
I think one of the youngsters will emerge at TE:
David Ausberry
Kyle Efaw
Richard Gordon
Brandon Myers
flip a coin as to which one it’ll be
May 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
If its Kyle Efaw then we have major issues..
May 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Tampa is trying to trade Winslow. Could be a possibility for Raiders.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
DMAC, I hope that with that, that the league does take action! I know McCarthy was hysterical after his catch was called a drop! Crazy crap man!
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I’m down for the replay, but it has to be done fast.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Where did that MLB from Houston go to I think his name was Sammy Brown??
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undrafted to St Louis Rams!
May 21st, 2012 at 9:49 am
Kobe brought us a lot of headaches and troubled waters, and he will probably not go out gracefully, but neither did Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Michael Jordan and many other star athletes……but he also gave us 5 titles, so I will always be a Kobe fan.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:45 am
guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Duck,
I heard from somewhere? I think a DA press conference that Burris can play all 3 LB spots. I didn’t know he was limited to OLB?
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Correct. He played some MLB at SDSU
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It was my understanding that Burris will exclusively play OLB, and Stupar MLB. This could change anytime, of course.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
We may be in a new WCO scheme, but it’s not going to be that much different from last year and just mimic Houston right away. There is too much speed at the existing WR spots to play dink and dunk with the TE. This offense is going to remain deep vertical. You can’t ignore the personnel that you have and purposely limit their potential just to fit a scheme.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
guest123 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
We may be in a new WCO scheme, but it’s not going to be that much different from last year and just mimic Houston right away. There is too much speed at the existing WR spots to play dink and dunk with the TE. This offense is going to remain deep vertical. You can’t ignore the personnel that you have and purposely limit their potential just to fit a scheme.
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I agree
May 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Palmer & Schaub are almost identical..
Schaub – 6′5″ 241, knee problems, slow..
Palmer – 6′5″ 236, knee problems, slow..
lol come on guys.
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@DAV
does every NBA player that is 6′6″ 205 lbs and 33 years old have the same skill set as Kobe Bryant??
hey bro, let’s be honest. It’s like those people who keep saying Tommy Kelly can play nose tackle due to his size. He doesn’t have that ability. He doesn’t have that mentality. He doesn’t have that discipline. He’s bigger than Jay Ratliff (Cowboys Pro Bowl 3-4 NT) , but he’ll never give us half as much in terms of stuffing the run
Are you a HWS guy, like Al Davis was??
May 21st, 2012 at 9:55 am
You can’t ignore the personnel that you have and purposely limit their potential just to fit a scheme
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G123 = money!!
with Winslow, too
2-2 this AM
May 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Palmer & Schaub are almost identical..
Schaub – 6′5″ 241, knee problems, slow..
Palmer – 6′5″ 236, knee problems, slow..
lol come on guys.
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@DAV
does every NBA player that is 6′6″ 205 lbs and 33 years old have the same skill set as Kobe Bryant??
hey bro, let’s be honest. It’s like those people who keep saying Tommy Kelly can play nose tackle due to his size. He doesn’t have that ability. He doesn’t have that mentality. He doesn’t have that discipline. He’s bigger than Jay Ratliff (Cowboys Pro Bowl 3-4 NT) , but he’ll never give us half as much in terms of stuffing the run
Are you a HWS guy, like Al Davis was??
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Im a ‘watch them play’ guy.
These guys both move like stiffs. And they are near exact on H/W.
Not hard to comprehend.
This ones easy.
May 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
ESPN’s Bill Williamson does not believe the Raiders will trade a wide receiver this offseason.
Oakland is loaded with young wideout talent, which could make 2009 fourth-round pick Louis Murphy expendable. Williamson, however, expects the team to keep everyone and “see how it develops” in camp. As a fifth receiver due $1.26 million, it still wouldn’t be surprising if Murphy was moved before Week 1.
Source: ESPN.com
May 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
W/ all the young talent we have at WR spot, will anyone miss Murph if he were cut or traded?
May 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
DMAC Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
W/ all the young talent we have at WR spot, will anyone miss Murph if he were cut or traded?
No, especially if there is someone else who takes his spot that can be more productive! It will upset me more if we keep him and let a prospect go that goes on to have a great year!
May 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
As a fifth receiver due $1.26 million, it still wouldn’t be surprising if Murphy was moved before Week 1
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5th WR? hot dang!
all it took was one look at rookie OTA’s with no contact for Criner to pass Murphy on the depth chart ??
May 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Murph is battling a hammy and those are always tricky. Maybe he reagravates coming back too soon, and never gets a chance to prove himself in TC. I don’t see anyone trading for Murph. They’ll just wait till we cut him.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Criner did more than pass Murph on the depth chart. He’s a lock to make the roster.
DHB, Ford, Moore, Criner all are locks. 2 more WR spots are up for grabs.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:03 am
Palmer & Schaub are almost identical
Im a ‘watch them play’ guy
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@DAV
apparently, you’re not
May 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 10:03 am
Palmer & Schaub are almost identical
Im a ‘watch them play’ guy
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@DAV
apparently, you’re not
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Are you saying that they both dont have knee problems, and they both dont move well?..
May 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
I think with Criner, we don’t have a need for TO or Plax or any other vet WR. Even vet min for those guys is pushing $1M. It’s a nice problem to have with all that young talent. CP3 will make good use of it.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:05 am
Murph = JLH
May 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Just read that Madden 13 will feature ‘Tebowing’
May 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Why do so many Raider fans insist on the deep passing game? Shouldn’t winning just be the goal?
May 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
McClain practicing today.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Palmer has the bigger arm. He is a better option out of the 2 in my opinion.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
McClain practicing today.
Practicing what? LOL
May 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
“Practice MVP” Criner looking to improve upon performance
Paul G
ALAMEDA — If there was such a thing as MVP of the Raiders’ first open-to-the-media OTA practice, rookie receiver Juron Criner would have been feted.
The fifth-round draft pick was that good last Tuesday.
The obvious challenge, then, is for for the wideout from North Las Vegas by way of the University of Arizona to maintain his form going forward, especially as the second week of OTA’s get underway today at the team’s compound.
“I feel like it was a good practice, but that sets the tone for how I need to practice the rest of the time here, (for) the years to come,” Criner said Tuesday.
“It just shows the confidence. Once you start to get in your playbook and once you’re able more to just play and not have to think about what you’re doing, it starts to show.”
Sandwiched between cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke and strong safety Tyvon Branch, Criner went up between the two of them to pull down a 50-yard bomb from quarterback Carson Palmer for a highlight reel touchdown.
Later, Criner went Cris Collingsworth worth an over-the-shoulder grab on a bomb from Terrelle Pryor, beating Pat Lee in the process.
All this, remember, from a 6-foot-3, 221-pound wideout with supposedly not enough speed to make such plays. His pedestrian 40-yard dash time of 4.68 seconds at the Combine would have turned off the previous Raiders’ regime.
“I feel like I was able to do that because you have to work the route. You’ve just got to try to eat up the cushion, stick the route. Just referring back to my college coach, you stick the route and try to get his hips to twitch any way you can and that will help you.”
And in going across the middle, and in traffic, he was able to adjust mid-route to pick Matt Leinart’s slighty-behind pass out of the air.
“He saved Carson, he saved myself, he saved Matt also,” Pryor said of Criner. “He’s a player. He has learned, just like myself and everybody else, he’s going to be a good one. He catches everything that comes near him. I was very impressed with him.”
A year ago, the Raiders’ fifth-round draft pick was a revelation in receiver Denarius Moore, whose 18.7-yards-per-catch average and five touchdown receptions led Oakland. No doubt, the Raiders are thinking they found another late-round steal in Criner.
Oh to have been a fly on Palmer’s shoulder as the two waked off the practice field following Criner’s, ahem, Practice MVP performance.
“That’s basically what he was telling me, that right there sets the standard,” Criner said of his walk-off conversation with Palmer. “You expect nothing less of yourself. He was just telling me, if you go at practice without making a play, you should be mad at yourself because you’re expected to do that day in and day out.
“When you get the chance, you’ve just got to come down with the ball. Like my old college coach used to tell me, when the ball’s in the air it belongs to you.”
May 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Sandusky44
No one reads your retarded banter I often wonder why are you even here are you that desperate for attention?
May 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
DEATHROW 55 Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Palmer has the bigger arm. He is a better option out of the 2 in my opinion.
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Thing is, which I dont think RRS understood, Im not comparing their ability. Im stating that the 2 are identical physical specimens. H/W/S.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:19 am
hwnrdr Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
May 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
McClain practicing today.
Practicing what? LOL
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Practicing being the MLB for the Oakland Raiders.
May 21st, 2012 at 10:23 am
We had a qb that was the same height and weigh as our olineman lol. Good ol Jr
May 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
Spurs will beat okc
May 21st, 2012 at 10:39 am
new post
May 21st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Thunder Struck! Thank God we wont have to put up with Laker smack on the Raiders board….
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/47514037/ns/nba/
May 21st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Hoping the Thunder oust the Spurs as well…gonna be an ol Texas-OK shootout!
May 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What is whiplash…
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