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Another day, another solid practice for Raiders

By Steve Corkran
Saturday, August 4th, 2012 at 7:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.

It’s a week into training camp and every day looks much like the previous ones. That can be good, in some respects, of course. Given coach Dennis Allen has been pleased with every practice so far, he no doubt doesn’t mind the practices resembling each other.
Yet, at some point, there’s going to come a time when some drastic changes are made, be it in personnel additions/subtractions or lineup moves.
For now, it’s pretty much status quo as far as the Raiders go with the way they look a little more than a week before their exhibition opener against the Dallas Cowboys.
For instance, the offensive line has remained the same throughout the offseason — with the exception of center Stefen Wisniewski missing all of them while recovering from a shoulder surgery — and the first week of training camp.
Allen said he and his staff are content with the players they are using with the first-team offense and defense. The way challengers perform in practice and games will dictate whether changes are made.
“The evaluation process takes time,” Allen said. “I’m not going to set a timetable as to when we work guys in. Whenever we, as a staff, sit down and think we’ve seen enough to warrant somebody stepping in and getting some of those reps, then we’ll make those adjustments.”
Rookie guard Tony Bergstrom said he understands not getting any reps with the first-team offense. In fact, he said he agrees with the way Allen is doling out playing time.
“I can’t assume the coach is going to take away reps from a veteran guy to give me reps,” Bergstrom said. “I’m hoping that, by the time the season comes around, I’ll be at that ability to where he could feel comfortable plugging me in there. So, I couldn’t tell you a time frame or even say that coach would do that. There’s veteran guys there that need the reps and need the looks. I’m just trying to learn from them as much as I can.”
It’s likely that Allen and his staff will re-evaluate after the Raiders play the Cowboys on Aug. 13. Yet, the deeper the Raiders go into camp without making any changes, the more likely it becomes that the players you see starting the first one or two exhibition games will be the ones who start against the San Diego Chargers on Sept. 10.

– Wide receiver Eddie McGee (hamstring) joined the short list of players unable to practice. He tweaked his hamstring during practice Friday and was held out today.
Fellow receiver Denarius Moore (hamstring) participated in the start of practice, but he was removed early on as a precautionary measure.
Allen said tight end Richard Gordon now has a lower leg infection, to go with the hip he injured earlier this week. Allen said the infection is of greater concern than the hip right now.
As for defensive tackle Travis Ivey, Allen said he is holding out Ivey because the big man isn’t in good enough shape to pracrtice without risk of injury.
“It’s a safety issue as much as it is anything else,” Allen said. “I want to make sure that he’s healthy, in shape, conditioned, his weight is where it needs to be, so that if and when he does get out here and start practicing, that he doesn’t injure himself.”
Ivey declined to comment.
It’s difficult to imagine how Ivey had the whole offseason to get himself into shape, yet failed to do so by the time the Raiders reported to training camp.
It’s also difficult to envision Ivey being a real force unless he meets the requirements on him and gets in some practice time before long.

– Allen said he was pleased with the way practice went today. He isn’t just saying what he thinks people want to hear.
“They would know,” Allen said, when asked if he would let his players know when practice isn’t meeting his expectations.
As for the media and fans, Allen said, “I believe you would (know, too).”

– Cornerback Shawntae Spencer has been outperformed by second-year cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke, among others, in camp so far.
That’s not what the Raiders expected when they signed Spencer in the offseason and inserted him into the starting lineup opposite Ron Bartell. Yet, Allen said he isn’t too concerned right now.
“He’s been a little up and down in camp,” Allen said. “We’re going to continue to push him and see where he’s at. I’m not pushing the panic button on him yet. Obviously, with all these guys, we want to continue to see some improvement.”
On Saturday, Spencer made a nice play on a ball at one point. Another time, he got beat by receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey on a deep route, though Heyward-Bey dropped the ball.

– People make a big deal out of whether the offense or defense got the better of it in practice each day. Allen says the two sides are trading blows on a regular basis, without either one holding a commanding overall lead.
“I don’t think any of these practices have been totally dominated by one side of the ball or the other,” Allen said, “and that’s a good thing because, for us to be successful, we’re going to have to be a balanced team and we’re going to have to play well offensively, defensively and in the kicking game.”

– Backup running back Mike Goodson received plenty of love from the 1,000 or so fans in attendance Saturday. They seemed quite impressed by Goodson’s ability to hit the hole, turn the corner and use his speed to get downfield in a hurry.
Allen, too, is impressed by what he sees from Goodson, he said.
“He’s picked up the offense pretty good, which I’ve been impressed with,” Allen said. “Just what he’s able to do in open space, from an athletic standpoint, gives us a chance to exploit some things with him.”
Allen added that Goodson is a much better blocker than he expected when the Raiders traded for Goodson in the offseason.
Goodson said he enjoys playing in front of the fans here and that he is thrilled to be with the Raiders, especially in offensive coordinator Greg Knapp’s offense.
“I love it, man, I love it,” Goodson said. “How could you not? You get the ball and you just run. The holes are huge, so how could you not want to get in there and show it?”
Goodson said that there’s room in this offense for him, Darren McFadden and Taiwan Jones because of their different skill-sets.
“We’re all kind of unique,” Goodson said. “I like to catch the ball out of the backfield a lot. Darren, man, he’s just an athlete. He can catch the ball, he can run between the tackles, he can do it all. Everybody brings their own unique thing to the game.”
Goodson also is working with all the special teams, as he did when he was with the Carolina Panthers. He even has added personal protector on punts to his vast repertoire.

– Moore suffered a hamstring injury during at Oakland’s final mini camp in Alameda in mid-June. He said he recovered from that injury and reported to camp at full strength.
Lo and behold, the hamstring is bothering him again. He is doing the best he can to play through the pain but there comes a time when he has to be smart about his injury and take into account the bigger picture: the entire season.
“Yeah, it’s a little frustrating coming in, knowing that you have an injury, have to sit out and wait and watch your teammates constantly practice, going through it and grinding, and you just sit on the side,” Moore said. “But it’s something that you can’t control, you’ve got to sit back and just let it heal on its own.”

– Former Raiders offensive lineman Robert Gallery retired Saturday after a brief stint with the New England Patriots.
Thus ends a career that began with Gallery entering the NFL as the No. 2 pick of the draft in 2004. He started his career at left offensive tackle but finished it at left guard.
Sure, Gallery didn’t develop into the lock-down tackle that many of the so-called experts projected when he came out of Iowa. However, he carved out a decent career as a dependable lineman who represented the Raiders well and earned plenty of respect from his coaches and teammates.

– Zachary Koehn, 9, a fourth-grader in Sebastopol, spent the day getting the royal treatmen at training camp as part of the NFL Play 60 Super Kid contest.
Koehn will an article about his day at Raiders training camp. It will be posted on the Raiders section on NFLRUSH.com — http://www.nflrush.com/teams/OAK/?icampaign=rush_nav_team

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  • xraided

    148.

    teams knew we were going to release him… and a conditional 7th round pick is all we could get.

    we still have the second round of cuts

    i KNOW FOR A FACT that Reggie and DA don’t like what Spencer is doing, and are that much more worried about Bartel’s lingering injuries …

    maybe someone like Pat Lee will step up? doubtful i know .. and i think Reggie shares the same sentiment as we do about the position.

    hopefully someone of worth hits the waiver wire… and Reggie strikes gold again!

  • Marks hair

    150. He only starts if a starter goes down..

  • Marks hair

    151. that’s all pretty presumptuous.. I’m not reading any facts there..

  • Marks hair

    150. Moore only had 33 catches.. And he got the start because murph, chaz & ford had lingering “dings”

  • TxRaider210

    Best believe these guys will all get tested against some decent LB’s for Dallas. Should be awesome to watch them against a contender with a solid D, think they will shine.

  • Charlie

    Marks Hair

    Some more “name” players may be gone sooner than you think.
    If the run D does not improve substantially during the preseason, personnel changes will be made on the Dline.

    Seymour and Kelly at this point have shown no more than Gerard Warren, Sapp, Sands, Henderson etc. etc.

    They pad stats and look decent against undermanned or injured Olines. A good team comes up on the schedule and runs it down our throats.

  • Marks hair

    156. Whos arguing with you? Our dline is a mess

  • xraided

    how is it presumptuous when Spencer is getting burned all over the field? you think he’s going to stay? he’s on a 1 year contract. Reggie will find someone better in the next round of cuts to replace him. print it!

  • Marks hair

    Im ony saying ivey isnt a starer, or an impact player.. Its been a 3 month argument among many..

  • TxRaider210

    I’d say DA’s priority now is getting the secondary and LB’s to gang tackle and go after the ball.imo

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    X,

    The pats averaged 30+ PPG in 2010, and the Saints/ Pats/ GB averaged 30+ PPG in 2011. I predict 27 PPG.

  • xraided

    Seymour was hurt all of last year.. otherwise he can be very dominant. hell,

    TK is a top 3 DL in sacks/pressures …

    Reggie seems to think they’re worth something.

    comparing them to SANDS and WARREN? LMAO! that’s hilarious…

  • Marks hair

    160. exactly. we’re going to see a lot of zone.. Mannings gonna love us..

  • Marks hair

    161. Under knapp? Really?

  • Marks hair

    Im just hoping the injury demon stays the fu¢k out of oakland this yr.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    If you’re going to put a heavy emphasis on having a set of DTs that stay at home to stop the run, you better have some DEs that can really rush the QB.

    Not sure the Raids have that now.

    Please don’t tell me that blitzing Burris and Wheeler will make up for the lack of natural pass rush from the Ends.

    Good QB’s are going to expose and exploit a defense that relies too heavily on the blitz.

    Curing the Raider weakness against the run might wind up making the pass defense even more vulnerable than it already is.

    Dumping TK and RS and getting a run stuffing DT is not a cure all for what ails the Raid D.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Injuries are part of the game, and until Ford and Moore can prove they can stay healthy for a full season, I like Criner’s chances of becoming a starter this season.

  • xraided

    O,

    we have the same kind of talent as those two teams(minus the uber elite QB) and can be just as efficient in the red zone than both!

    that is, most of that hinges upon DMC staying healthy all season for us he is the key to our red zone woes.

    i know 32 is too much… but still, top 3 in the league isn’t a far stretch given they all play 90% of the games!

  • Marks hair

    Our dline is a mess because the players dont fit..
    Seymour, kelly, houston, bryant are all pass rushing dts..
    Theres no run stopper..
    And at de? Theres no edge rusher.. Only runstopping DEs.. Its all wrong.. Good players but bad fits..

  • TxRaider210

    Burris will freak out QB’s and offenses just by the way he plays and his intensity. I’d look for him to have plenty solo tackles and sacks.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    If you’re going to put a heavy emphasis on having a set of DTs that stay at home to stop the run, you better have some DEs that can really rush the QB.

    Not sure the Raids have that now.
    $$$$$$$$$$

    Excellent point.

  • Marks hair

    166. exactly

  • Marks hair

    Burris isnt going to “freak” offenses out lol..

  • xraided

    SHO-nasty isn’t a good pass rusher?! since when!? he’ll have double digit sacks this year no problem.

  • TxRaider210

    173

    You’ll see when he’s all over Romo/Orton brother.lol

  • TxRaider210

    I’m under the impression the DE rotation will be fine with Houston, Shonasty, Tollefson and Crawford, if they’re healthy.

  • Marks hair

    174. Oh nasty is a double digit sack guy? Cool.. Um since when?

  • Marks hair

    Crawford had one good day.. I hope it continues when he faces the starters..

  • xraided

    i said he’ll have double digits this year. learn to read.

    he had 7 in 2010. or did you forget?

    is 10 a far stretch given he’s healthy?

  • TxRaider210

    Crawford and Burris are just mean, physical football players, but yes consistency will be key for the rooks.

  • xraided

    Crawford is a wildcard. very good value in the late rounds. good project and hopefully a good special teamer.

  • Marks hair

    179. You said he was a good passrusher..as in before now.. Then said he’ll get double diget sacks..
    So if he’s always been a good rusher, like you said.. He surly has had more than 7 sacks in a yr right?.. I can read I was patronizing you.. He has never been an edge rusher.. He lrobably wont have a career yr coming off of a major injury either..

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    If the players on defense getting “ELITE” money…play like that…then everything will be fine for the defense.

    One thing that will “I think” will change is that players not playing to that paycheck will not be around for long.

    I don’t blame Davis for the free agent busts….the free agents in many cases mailed it in way too often.

    Huff and Branch should play like a top 10 safety tandem

    Kelly and Seymour should play like a top 10 DT tandem

    McClain has to start looking like a 1st round pick….

    Give me that…and the rest will take care of itself

  • Marks hair

    183. If only money made players better..

  • Charlie

    Warren, Sands, Sapp, Ellis, Henderson were not starters when they played for the Raiders but they started for us anyway because we had no talent.

    The results these guys got were the same as what Seymour and Kelly have gotten the last two years.

    My point is that the Raiders have been a joke for years because our play on both lines has been embarrassing. Our Oline is a bit further along because we spent some high draft picks on Veldheer and WizII.

    I can see us picking up a late camp cut from another team on the dline and making Seymour and Kelly backups if play does not improve. Ivey is a joke and will be gone shortly.
    A sad state of affairs but our D is in trouble because of the line.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    X,

    Top 5 in scoring IMO:
    GB
    Saints
    Pats
    Lions
    Falcons

  • xraided

    he has shown he can be a good pass rusher.

    that’s what i’m saying. “given he’s healthy” … the injury may hold him back, that’s true.

    i think it’s very possible that he has a career year seeing as it’s his contract year.

    he’s a very well rounded player, and can adjust very well.. his disruption in the backfield is uncanny, whether it be getting to the QB or stopping a RB.

    with Seymour and TK getting the double teams and collapsing the pocket constantly, Sho-nasty can get the QB early and often.

    just what i think about him. we’ll see.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    SnB,

    Nice to see you posting again. Where have you been brother?

  • Marks hair

    we have some Major personal problems.. Ill be kind of amazed if DA can coach around them. To the playoffs..

  • xraided

    yea O, i can see them at 4th place, even above the Stafford/CJ show!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Marks hair Says:
    August 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    183. If only money made players better..
    ===============================================
    True enough Marks Hair…we know this all too well,

    Difference going forward is that guys not playing to their weight are going to be let go so that those dollars can be distributed to players who are at a high level or for high powered free agents

  • DJ Johnny

    Seeing some of the posters coming back that took the offseason to do other things besides obsessing about football…unlike alot of us including me.

  • TxRaider210

    Major personnel issues? I don’t agree with that, maybe some areas to improve, just like most teams in camp.

  • Marks hair

    187. I just wouldnt call him an edge rusher. He has no speed or dip in his hips.. Why do you think wimbley, & the last 7 other speed rushers on the team always got 9 – 10 sacks & lead the team? Lts dont like backing up 4 yards in one quick burst off the snap..

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DJ,

    Thanks for making me feel like a loser who is obsessed with his team.
    I’m addicted!

  • Thec

    The org is on the look out for check cashers, and other non performing assets.

    If you do not perform you WILL get run the F@K outta town, no matter the size of the pay check, or contract.

    New Sheriff in town, no favorites, scholly’s or any of that sort.

  • Thec

    Do we have a legit Edge rusher on this current team?

    What about LB depth?

    The D will be a lot of MASK, SMOKE, and MIRRORS until w e find or develop an edge guy or 3, and good LB depth.

  • Marks hair

    193. Yes.. I see the secondary as a hot mess.. sceme, pass rush and communication will be critical.. I also see problems along the dline & lbs.. DA needs to pull a belicheck

  • DJ Johnny

    189.Marks hair Says:
    August 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    we have some Major personal problems.. Ill be kind of amazed if DA can coach around them. To the playoffs..

    I see a team that was a a couple defensive stops away from winning the division…NOT a mess with too many personnel problems.

    We lost Routt…I think DA will dig deep and find a way to replace his 17 pi penalties and constantly getting burned.

    Wimbley? He had ONE GAME…whoopeee. “But he pressured the QB”. His pressure didn’t do jack to help the worst defense since the ’52 Texans. It didn’t stop anybody for a second.

    Defense can’t be worse with all the new schemes and Shonasty coming back from injury.

    DMAC was gone half the season and is healthy. Carson has a full offseason to get acclimated.

    I don’t see how improving on 8-8 should be a stretch. There’s no guarantees and I have my own doubts and concerns but I will be more amazed if we don’t make it to the playoffs.

  • Thec

    Marks hair, whats up Bruh? You catching the NFL Network? They should change the name to newyork jets network.