Ivey out, Bartell on way back, others hurting
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, August 5th, 2012 at 7:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Let the record show that, defensive tackle Travis Ivey is the first player cut by the Raiders since things got serious. Coach Dennis Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie pulled the plug on Ivey on Sunday.
“We’ll keep all options open and do anything we can to try to help this football team,” Allen said, “but right now, it wasn’t something that we felt like was going to help the team.”
The Raiders signed Ivey late last season in hopes that he would fill a need as a massive presence in the middle of their defensive line. His role seemed to take on more import with the arrival of Allen and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver and their desire to incorporate the 3-4 alignment into the scheme.
For whatever reason, Ivey reported to training camp overweight, out of shape and on thin ice. He spent his week or so here working on a treadmill, walking around the field and hoping he could work his way back on the field.
To no avail. Now, the Raiders are without a true nose tackle on their roster. To that, Allen said that doesn’t mean that the Raiders still can’t use the 3-4.
“It won’t change it at all,” Allen said of the scheme. “Three-four is a personnel grouping, it’s not necessarily a mentality of a way you play defense. Dallas has played 34 defense with an undersized nose for a lot of years now, so I don’t really worry about that. If we decide to put some 3-4 groupings out there, we just got to change up how we use them.”
Desmond Bryant and Christo Bilukidi got some work at nose tackle Sunday when the Raiders shifted to a 3-4 alignment. Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour presumably can handle the role, as well, if called upon.
Media are prohibited from getting into specifics when it comes to personnel groupings, scheme, trick plays and such. Therefore, I can’t be too detailed on what the Raiders do when they’re in the 3-4.
Suffice, there are times when they line up in a straight 3-4 and other times a linebacker plays with his hand down as an extra lineman.
It’s likely that the Raiders will wait until they break camp in Napa and get back to Alameda before going head long into the 3-4. At that time, the media won’t be allowed to watch all of practice, and the Raiders are free to work without prying eyes watching their every move.
– Cornerback Ron Bartell (hamstring) spent most of the first week or so of camp on the non-football-injury list, meaning he hurt his hamstring in a non-football-related activity. On Sunday, he passed his physical and is one step closer to making his Raiders debut in camp.
Bartell now is in the midst of a three-day acclimation period, as set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
“From my understanding, I can do individual drills, I’ll be able to wear shoulder pads, shells and shorts,” Bartell said. “I can’t get in full contact. I guess I’ll go through the drills, the walk-through aspect of it, then in the live periods they’ll probably hold me out. It’s only a couple of days. I’m just excited just to be able to be back and feel healthy again.”
Bartell is eligible to practice at full speed Wednesday.
– Wide receiver Denarius Moore (hamstring) was one of five players who missed practice Sunday. Allen admitted that he is concerned about Moore’s injury.
“It’s a concern,” Allen said, “because it’s been a nagging type of deal. So, we’ve got to make sure that we’re diligent in the rehab process and make sure we continue to get that strengthened so that it’s not an issue during the season and we’re not dealing with this on an every-day or every-week basis.”
Moore has been on and off the field in recent days. On Sunday, he watched the entire practice from afar. He said that he reported to camp at 100 percent on the heels of a hamstring injury at a mini camp in June.
– Running back Taiwan Jones suffered a hamstring injury and Seymour tweaked a knee in practice. Allen said he is awaiting word on the severity of Jones’ injury. Allen said Seymour was held out as more of a precautionary measure.
Tight end Richard Gordon returned to practice after missing several days with a hip flexor and lower leg infection. He wasted little time making his presence felt.
Twice, Gordon got the better of his man in a one-on-one drill. Later in the drill, Gordon got beat by linebacker Philip Wheeler when he fell for an inside fake.
– Fans hopeful of never seeing a linebacker or backup safety on a speedy receiver or running back no doubt will cringe when they read this:
Defensive end Lamarr Houston attempted to cover running back Darren McFadden on a skinny post route on one play Sunday, with the results being oh so predictable.
Carson Palmer spotted the mismatch, waited for McFadden to sprint past Houston and then delivered the ball to McFadden in stride. From there, it was all over, with Houston trying in vain to chase down McFadden.
Later, defensive lineman Dave Tollefson was left alone on running back Mike Goodson a little way downfield. Matt Leinart lofted the ball over Tollefson’s head, into Goodson’s hands and watched as Goodson took it all the way for a long touchdown.
The two plays were enough to bring back memories of linebacker Rolando McClain and former safety Jerome Boyd covering Detroit Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson on a deep middle pattern last season, or McClain on San Diego Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson or former linebacker Kamerion Wimbley on Chargers tight end Antonio Gates.
– When the ball was placed at the Raiders own 49-yard line, fans knew what was coming. Allen wanted to see if Sebastian Janikowski could kick a 61-yard field goal at the tail end of practice.
As the fans buzzed, Janikowski calmly drilled the ball through the uprights with a little bit of room to spare.
“I was working on it yesterday on the other field,” Janikowski said. “I hit a 70-yarder, so I figured, why not?”
You might recall that Allen was the Denver Broncos defensive coordinator last season, when Janikowski converted an NFL record-tying 63-yarder in the regular-season opener in Denver.
– Punter Shane Lechler continues his rehab away from the sight of the media. Allen said Lechler is here in Napa, but he isn’t sure of Lechler’s date.
“When he gets back out here, I don’t know for sure, but he’s continuing to work at his rehab process and when the time’s right for him to start kicking again, we’ll have him back out here kicking.” Allen said.
– Marquette King is making the most of his golden opportunity during Lechler’s unexpected absence.
Don’t get too worked up about it, though. Lechler isn’t going anywhere, even if he is in the final year of his contract.
In fact, King admitted that whenever he kicks for the Raiders in exhibition games coming up, he will be doing so with an eye toward impressing the 31 other teams in the league.
“I am going to have that mindset,” King said, “but I am going to be out there just trying to have fun. Make sure I don’t get too excited because it’s my first game punting in the NFL.”
After all, teams don’t have the luxury of carrying two punters on their 53-man roster and it’s unrealistic to think that the Raiders have any notion of throwing open the punting job when Lechler still is regarded as among the best, if not the best, at his position.
King is here as an insurance policy, at best, and perhaps with an eye toward the Raiders lining up a punter for 2013 if Lechler opts to sign elsewhere or the Raiders decide to move on.
On Sunday, King put on a display for the 1,000 or so fans in attendance.
“I know when I hit my A ball, I am just as good as any punter,” King said. “I felt like I wasn’t trying to come out here to take anyone’s job, just to learn and get better.”
At first, King started slow, with one good punt followed by a poor one. Then it clicked.
Time and again, King launched booming punts that backed up the returner near his own goal line. His punts routinely were sailing well past 50 yards beyond the line of scrimmage — it was difficult to gauge from the media vantage point.
“He has done a nice job,” Allen said, “but I’d like to see him more consistent. We see that in a lot of young players. As a matter of fact, we talked to the whole team about consistency, and that’s how you win in the NFL. You can’t be up one play and down the next or up one day and down the next. You got to be consistent in what you do. So, that’s something that I preached to him and trying to work on an every-day basis.”
– Safe to say that quarterback Terrelle Pryor took a step back with his performance Sunday.
The culmination of an otherwise poor showing came in a two-minute drill near the end of practice.
On the final four plays:
1. Pryor made an ill-advised throw into a crowd of people, with rookie safety Aaron Henry almost coming down with the interception.
2. Pryor threw a short pass at the feet of wide receiver Rod Streater, with Streater the hot read on a play the defense pressured Pryor with a blitz.
3. Pryor made a nice read of his progression, spotted rookie receiver Derek Carrier in the flat and delivered a well-placed throw for a short gain.
4. Pryor fired a pass toward the end zone, with rookie linebacker Nathan Stupar cradling the ball on the ground after making the interception. Worse, it’s difficult to tell who Pryor was throwing the ball to.
– A handful of officials presided over the practice for the first time since camp opened. The officials didn’t spend much time blowing the whistle or throwing penalty flags.
Unlike previous seasons, the officials working practice in camp aren’t regular NFL officials. They are replacement officials because the league and the regular officials are at an impasse.
“My thing to them was, if we get a penalty, we’ll throw the flag but we won’t do anything to stop practice,” Allen said.
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August 5th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Let’s say you’re a practice squad nose tackle who’s been working towards the NFL your entire life. You finally get signed to a team with a new coach who preaches discipline and accountability. This coach also brought with him a strength and conditioning coach with decades of experience in the National Football League. You are somewhat overweight and out of shape. The NFL Draft comes and goes and team does not select any nose tackles, despite their desire for a “multiple” defense.
Do you:
A) Come in to the facility every goddamn day and work with the staff to get your weight down and your cardiovascular conditioning up, or
B) Sit at home, play PS3, eat cheeseburgers, and assume there’s NO WAY they’d get rid of you.
Ivey picked wrong. Buh-bye, you worthless sack of crap.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
GForce21 Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Lets see how he performs in a conventional D instead of having to play single high safety before we write him off.
The list of people who have come here and failed playing our (Al’s) version of FS is quite long (and littered with high draft picks).
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Lol….whatever…I’ve heard that statement by people before….do you have any of your own thoughts on the matter?
A High Man Safety should have the highest number of opportunities to make plays because everyone else is in man….He can roam free (if he prepares) and only get credit and never have to assume responsibility because he is “FREE”.
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Yep, and if you are out of position its your fault because you are the last line of defense. So, what defines out of position when your responsibility is the whole field?
I bet it was really cool when you could place an athlete at FS in the 70s and 80s and say run to the ball, but today all receivers seem to run 4.4.
Who was the last really successful safety we had that executed (primarily) single high and was a threat to go to the pro bowl? I mean, besides Huff who almost went two years ago.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
3!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
The two plays were enough to bring back memories of linebacker Rolando McClain and former safety Jerome Boyd covering Detroit Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson on a deep middle pattern last season, or McClain on San Diego Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson or former linebacker Kamerion Wimbley on Chargers tight end Antonio Gates.
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Funny thing is some folks will use these examples to say our LBs suck in coverage, lol.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Not that it matters, but Hue brought in Ivey.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
the raiders look pretty good for camp,I still wish we would have kept murphy in case of an injury.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
it looks like al davis made a good move by not giving gallery a new contract.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Not that it matters, but Hue brought in Ivey.
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That might have been the last move Hue made with us. Fitting, in a way…
August 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
i think mcclain will have a huge year if he can stay healthy and out of alabama.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
you see JFB? nothing to worry about with Bartel, as long as its just a hammy. he’s sat out because of the CBA!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
http://www.ksby.com/news/cal-poly-assistant-football-coach-arrested/ repost lol
August 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Wonderlic Test Scores Results:
Terrell Pryor = Stupid
Vince Young = Stupid
Jamarcuss Russel = Stupid
hrmmm…any intersting observations?
The closer you are to the ball, the smarter you should be. Football IQ + Real Life IQ = Solid QB
August 5th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Raiderdavenv Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
http://www.ksby.com/news/cal-poly-assistant-football-coach-arrested/ repost lol
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As soon as I saw that link, even before I clicked on it, I thought “Randy Hanson.”
August 5th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
He11, Cableman might have exhibited remarkable restraint after all.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nice post duck @ #1, probably right on the money. If he had injured himself and wasn’t able to stay/get in shape, I’m sure they would have been more patient with him. Especially with an open spot on the roster. Idiot…
August 5th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Addition by subtraction. The next player I predict to be cut is …..Terrelle Pryor.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
A Man gotta do what a Man gotta do. Looks like Coach Allen wastes no time cutting a player if he’s not up to par. Good luck Ivey! However, I don’t think I like Tommy K. playing NT. Leave T.K. right where he is. Do we have an answer for P. Manning yet? I’m so hyped about our preseason game next week against the Cowboys. Everything is a mystery with my Raiders right now.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Raiders have two roster spots open; Reggie give Bolt & Gay a contract.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
chuck Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
i think mcclain will have a huge year if he can stay healthy and out of alabama.
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How did you come to that conclusion, Chuck??
August 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I’m still pulling for T.P., leave that Man alone. Manning and Brady were awful their first traing camp. Give Pryor a chance. My Raiders would be foolish to cut T.P. . Just saying.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Addition by subtraction. The next player I predict to be cut is …..Terrelle Pryor
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OK I will bite, what will the wager be, i will let you pick.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Yep…I wanted Mr. Allen Davis to draft Bolt back in 2008. Bolt is fast but he may not have good hands for catching…or can take the hits.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Sorry to say it guys, but Moore and Jones are injury prone. Seymour is injury prone now too since he is so old, and decrepit too.
The problem is with Moore and Jones, we will see a repeat of last year, mostly injured throughout the year.
If I was Reggie, I would put Moore and Jones up on the trade block for an excellent CB. I realize both a loaded with talent, same as DMAC, but if they are benched with injuries 12 out of 16 games, how do they help us. And by the way, I would throw Seymour in the deal (his salary be damned) just to get rid of him once in for all.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
The next player I predict to be cut is …..Terrelle Pryor
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This ranks up there with some of the most outlandish post I hae seen.
TP is one week into camp and you have him getting rolled…ROFLMAO
you lose a few Semi cred points Bruh.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
And by the way, I am losing confidence day by day in Pryor. He doesn’t seem bright enough to play in the NFL.
He has the physical tools, but, thus far, is a stupid as a sack of rusty hammers. Reminds me of JaMarcus.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I hope Moore overcomes being injury prone because when healthy he’s a huge threat. Come on Moore!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
We’ll know where Pryor’s career will lead after the first two exhibition games (until the games carry more weight than a coin flip for playoff tie breakers, they’re exhibition games).
August 5th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Thec 24,
Don’t resmonstrate too loud my friend, regarding Pryor. I was a big supporter, but that is fading.
Would hate to see you have eat your words.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
And by the way, I am losing confidence day by day in Pryor. He doesn’t seem bright enough to play in the NFL.
He has the physical tools, but, thus far, is a stupid as a sack of rusty hammers. Reminds me of JaMarcus.
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Question, what evidence do you have that RM, DA, GK dont, regaring PRYOR.
Word in camp is that he needs work on mechanics.
Throwing motion comes to mind.
PRYOR has applied himself, he will make mistakes however, to compare him to BRL is crazy talk.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
lol B&S…noone is like JaMarcus…after all he was always drunk from the purple drank when he was our QB playing in real games.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Goldie,
It’s a shame about Moore. But he reminds me more of Schilinzs, day by day. Extremely talented by can’t stay on the field.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Thec 24,
Don’t resmonstrate too loud my friend, regarding Pryor. I was a big supporter, but that is fading.
Would hate to see you have eat your words.
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Real MEN have do not have an issue admitting when they make a mistake, or they are wrong.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Yep B&S…I’m still pulling for him.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
he just has a lot of work to do.
as does any 3rd string QB in the NFL!
only Pryor has his feet to get him places! he has a 1up on a lot of other 3rd string QB’s in the NFL.
holding the chipboard and riding pine (meat) is just what he needs for the next couple of years.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Raiders will retain Pryor this season, in an attempt to salvage the investment. It is too early to give up on Pryor just yet.
It’s just that I have a sinking feeling about the guy.
Same as I have with the injury prone Moore, who couldn’t even make it out of OTA’s without pulling his “hammy.”
August 5th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
xraided Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
he just has a lot of work to do.
as does any 3rd string QB in the NFL!
only Pryor has his feet to get him places! he has a 1up on a lot of other 3rd string QB’s in the NFL.
holding the chipboard and riding pine (meat) is just what he needs for the next couple of years.
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Totally diagree, we should cut him becuase he had a bad day at camp. He is just like BRL…ROFLAMO
August 5th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Pryor will not be cut!
Traded maybe, cut not a chance.
Moore and Jones need to realize giving a 100% in training camp doesn’t mean you need to go full sprint every play; focus on the play simply execute run hard, try not to impress everyone with your speed.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Damn new regime ain’t F’ing around!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
In another post I told Travis bye.
Now it’s good riddance.
Let this be a lesson that a new sheriff is in town and his name is Dennis “Don’t do your off season work or I’ll cut your dumbass” Allen.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Raiders will retain Pryor this season, in an attempt to salvage the investment. It is too early to give up on Pryor just yet.
It’s just that I have a sinking feeling about the guy.
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You comapred him to BRL, how did you come to that conclusion? Please enlighten?
August 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
don’t you worry about Moore!
he will give us 13+ games this year…
preseason will be his time to shine. heal that leg kid!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Heck it took ole silly Tony Romo about 5 years of learning…look at him now…he’s a freaking good QB inspite of his INTs and Occasionally fumbles. lol
August 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Moore may get shut down during presea as a precaution, would be a wise move imo.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
dave,
i like what DA is implimenting.
the most exciting part of what Cork just wrote was the last paragraph.
“refs didn’t spend all day throwing flags” … GOOD LORD!
that leaves me to believe we will cut that sh!t in half this year.. call me crazy!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
true Thec, he’s not worth losing because of a hammy pull. they linger for a very long time.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
O, c’mon man, put the gun down!
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– Punter Shane Lechler continues his rehab away from the sight of the media. Allen said Lechler is here in Napa, but he isn’t sure of Lechler’s date.
“When he gets back out here, I don’t know for sure, but he’s continuing to work at his rehab process and when the time’s right for him to start kicking again, we’ll have him back out here kicking.” Allen said.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Good article Cork! I enjoyed reading. Thanks!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Goldie7 Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Heck it took ole silly Tony Romo about 5 years of learning…look at him now…he’s a freaking good QB inspite of his INTs and Occasionally fumbles. lol
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Goldie,
Sorry, but I feel the Cowboys will never win with Romo as QB. He has that tantilizing quality in which times of greatness come out, which are offset by terrible decision making, bonehead INT’s, and and bad performance.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
first order is to find a track coach, not a trainer atrack coach, that can keep these guys hamstrimgs in good condition.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Thec Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Moore may get shut down during presea as a precaution, would be a wise move imo.
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I hope Pryor becomes great. I also agree Moore should be held out of practice.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Romo is a chump. Should be starting for Norv Turner he is such a choker.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
X I think that the new regime is going to make all of in the Raider Nation extremely proud to be a part of the Nation very, very soon!
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xraided Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
dave,
i like what DA is implimenting.
the most exciting part of what Cork just wrote was the last paragraph.
“refs didn’t spend all day throwing flags” … GOOD LORD!
that leaves me to believe we will cut that sh!t in half this year.. call me crazy!
August 5th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
With admittedly no behind the scenes knowledge of the Ivey situation, how good of shape does a 340 lbs NT need to be in to play that role? I mean, could he have really been in any worse shape than Grady Jackson was most of the time he was with the Raiders? And that dude was a real good player.
August 5th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
*us
August 5th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Look at his stats B&S…they are pretty darn good despite the fact that he is silly as heck, with his big ears.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Romo is a chump. Should be starting for Norv Turner he is such a choker.
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Curious, what have you been drinking tonight??
August 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Players are targeted by the team to be at a certain weight and condition. Ivey F’ed up.
Good riddance.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Hehehe!
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Thec Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Romo is a chump. Should be starting for Norv Turner he is such a choker.
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Curious, what have you been drinking tonight??
August 5th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
With admittedly no behind the scenes knowledge of the Ivey situation, how good of shape does a 340 lbs NT need to be in to play that role? I mean, could he have really been in any worse shape than Grady Jackson was most of the time he was with the Raiders? And that dude was a real good player.
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From what i understand, each and EVERY player had to come into camp at a certain weight.
A good example is Jano, he looks muscled up.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
The new ORG is not taken shorts. IF you are a non performing asset, slacker, check casher, hanger on, scholly you will get rolled.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I dropped a toilet turtle just a bit ago that dove in the pool like an Olympic diver…no splash, no wake!
August 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Outtro…1 NATION
August 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
It took Plunkett years to become a two time Super Bowl champion.
Gannon multiple years to be the MVP.
Pryor needs to stay focused, it will connect.
Reggie will simply need to be prudent and not not get anything for him
August 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
lol…. Thanks for that bit of info RD
August 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Seems like the same guys keep getting injured.
Taiwan was down last yr. too. So was Moore, and the excuse we keep hearing as to why Seymour wasn’t as good is becuz of injury…now he’s injured again so he has another excuse if he sucks this yr.
Sick of these injury prone guys.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
In the past Ivey may have been given the rest of camp to straighten up and get in shape.
The new guy in town is making it known that no matter who you are if you don’t help this team in one form or another you won’t be around long.
Atta’boy DA. Show ‘em who’s boss and if the don’t get in line show ‘em the fckng door!
August 5th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
That turd I dropped was named in honor of Travis Ivy.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
lol
August 5th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Romo is one of the best QBs in the league. Say what you want about rings — Marino, Moon and Kelly are among the long list of HOF QBs without any — all I know is I’ve watched Romo make spectacular, thread-the-needle downfield throws year after year.
Stats aren’t lying in this case. Romo can absolutely sling it.
Obviously I wouldn’t put him in the Rodgers, Brady, Brees and healthy P Manning class. But he’s right there in the next group with Rivers, and rings aside, I’ll put Eli and Roethlisberger in there too.
Incidentally, when Carson Palmer is on his game he’s firmly in that camp as well.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Absolutely Chris. I agree 100% Yep!
August 5th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Romo does have a bit of Favre in him where he’ll make a ludicrous decision that results in disaster from time to time, but I’m a bit partial to the gunslingers, so I can live with those from time to time if the guy has a knack for making things happen.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Yeah…the Cowboys fans get upset with him when he makes those “boneheaded” plays from time to time.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Favre was 1 outta 2 in SB’s. Yes, he played a ton of games (dude’s got some serious fkng stones – ginormous!), threw for a ton of yards and td’s and he ain’t in the top ten all-time and anyone that thinks he does is a Kool-Aide drinker.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
One thing about Ivey getting cut is, as DA points out with some other teams using sub-300 lbs. NTs in a 3-4, I think Des Bryant is one of the best kept secrets in this league and anything that gets him on the field more I’m in favor of.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Favre not in top10 players, I agree. Top 10 QBs, maybe. The thing about it is I would put Brady and Peyton over Favre among guys playing now. And if Aaron Rodgers keeps going at this pace he’ll eclipse Favre as well. Bree’s-Favre is debatable. Then you look at Montana, Elway, Marino, etc., and that’s not even scratching the surface on old-timers like Baugh, Unitas, etc. who were thoroughly dominant in their eras.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Hearing of these injuries has seriously killed my Raider buzz. I remember hearing the same thing about DMAC…”oh it’s just a little nick” or a ‘ding’..blah, blah, blah.
Seymour has a knee issue? At his age and the miles on him that is not good and no amount of b.s from coaches is gonna make me feel better about it.
I thought they should have saved 7.5 mill. and let him go. Could’ve used that money on Brandon Carr perhaps; now most likely they’ll just burn the whole 15 mill. on a clipboard carrying has been who’s just waiting for the season to end so he can sign a one day contract and retire a Patriot.
And Moore? Injured last yr. missing games and now a lingering hammy that has even the HC “concerned”.
Jones? Missed games last yr. of course and now a hamstring issue? Especially concerning since he’s the backup to another injury prone RB…our starter…which means more than likely a fumbler by the name of Goodson is gonna end up being our starting RB with Lonyae Miller (who?) backing him up.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
65.DJ Johnny Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Seems like the same guys keep getting injured.
Taiwan was down last yr. too. So was Moore, and the excuse we keep hearing as to why Seymour wasn’t as good is becuz of injury…now he’s injured again so he has another excuse if he sucks this yr.
Sick of these injury prone guys.
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As much as it pains me to say this…I agree
Ford could be next, Goethel, Shonasty. Raiders need these folks to be healthy, not the “next man up” BS.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
DJ Johnny. Hope for the best until your hear the worst.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Don’t give up on Rich just yet. Maybe he will pull through. Remember, Belicheat did Seymour dirty making him having to prove himself that much more with the Raiders. I don’t think Big Sey will retire before his time.
August 5th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
The injury statuses bear watching, but still five weeks to go till the first game plenty of time for these guys to get well.
August 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
78.Raidernationdave Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
DJ Johnny. Hope for the best until your hear the worst.
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Yeah, but I feel like we’re already starting to hear it.
We’ve all heard this before…coaches downplaying everything…”week to week” etc. etc. “he’ll be fine”…
Let’s face it DMAC has been nothing but a big tease since he got here…I’m fearing the same for Moore…all this talent sitting on the sideline and then we’re all talking “Wait till Moore gets back” and “What’s the situation w/ Moore this week”?
And with Jones???? “He’s so fast, but injuries have slowed him down. Now the Raiders turn to Mike Goodson..a backup with Carolina last season as the Raiders hope at RB.”.
I feel like i’ve just been slapped with a hard dose of Raider reality.
August 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
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As much as it pains me to say this…I agree
Ford could be next, Goethel, Shonasty. Raiders need these folks to be healthy, not the “next man up” BS.
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We just don’t have the depth to endure this.
August 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
YO DUDES, HOLLA
just dropped a duece that started flaming the moment it landed on the kitchen table ( you know I got a thing bout droppin dueces center line ). then my new girlfriend stella took my gallon of wine and put it out. needless to say I dumped the b1tch and showed her the door. But Holla says she wants back in. Great Raider practice this weekend, huh. thought I might find a new man but met stella instead.
You know there is a reason I dont eat pork and beans but i do like a good big mac, usually eat about four of them and wash it down with some gallo.
JUST KEEPIN IT FO REALS WHILE I GREASE THE WHEELS
HOLLA WITH THE HOT OIL AND THE SORRY BOIL
August 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Much of last year’s offensive line, who set a franchise record for fewest sacks allowed with 25, returns this year, helping the unit remain strong and unified. “It’s a lot of guys who have been here for awhile, so there’s guys who have all played together, so it’s not huge adjustment,” said rookie G Tony Bergstrom. “It’s always a little easier when guys have been there and you just plug in a few new guys at a time.”
August 5th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
D-Wow is young and last year was his first hammy so he may be OK if it is handled correctly.
Allen said, “we’ve got to make sure that we’re diligent in the rehab process and make sure we continue to get that strengthened so that it’s not an issue during the season and we’re not dealing with this on an every-day or every-week basis.”
Taiwan had hamstring issues before being drafted so I have low expectations. Right now: DMc, Goodson, Reece & Schmitt can carry the load. Ford & Pryor on some trick plays too. That Newman dude may step up.
Seymour is old. His whole body will be “tweaked” all season but he’ll give all he’s got on the field and skool the young DLine.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Bartell was cleared, thats good…so far
August 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
YO DODGER BLUE SKY HIGH DREAMS
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Uh Yo, Raiders, why are you conversing with this LA idiot?
August 5th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
As the fans buzzed, Janikowski calmly drilled the ball through the uprights with a little bit of room to spare.
“I was working on it yesterday on the other field,” Janikowski said. “I hit a 70-yarder, so I figured, why not?”
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Jamista Clown wanted this guy cut. What a douche.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Missus Beeecham Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
YO DUDES, HOLLA
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I”ll holla atcha. why don’t you take yourself, and your alter ego and flush yourselves down the nearest loo. And while yo are circling the drain shout go SD!!!
August 5th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
this team is extremely shallow-(huge lack of depth at almost every position)-i easily see our team dwindling to back-up options as we progress into the season, so it goes without saying i think we lose games this season that we should win, because of injuries. this isnt such a bad thing because i truly believe this team is in good hands and is headed iin the right direction.
with a high slated first round draft pick next year(i know, its been a while) we will have a great opportunity to draft our “quarterback of the future” and let him study under carson palmer for a season or two. i really cant see us drafting another reciever or linebacker early in the first round, it just makes more sense to draft a highly ranked quarterback that would solidify our offense for many years to come.
im not saying this season is meaningless by any means, i just think this team for this season isnt going very far, and if we do get to the playoffs do we even have a chance to get to the super bowl? i think we are best suited for an early first round draft pick next year, because if we dont, we will end up right back to where we are next season.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
this team is extremely shallow-(huge lack of depth at almost every position)-i easily see our team dwindling to back-up options as we progress into the season, so it goes without saying i think we lose games this season that we should win, because of injuries.
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we lose games we should win? Son, there’s the bus. It is headed to Denver. That’s YOUR team.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
im not sure if that was a rant i just posted, but i had to get it off my chest.. i sadly hope we get a 1st rounder next year in the top 5, which means we have to lose a majority of our games. dont get me wrong though, im a die hard fan and i will root for our team every sunday/monday/thursday this season, he11 im even going to the cincy game in november, and if we win them all this year i would be so freakin pumped and excited as ever, but i hope that if we dont go to the playoffs its not another 8-8 team with a middle 1st rounder as a result. know what i mean??
August 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
No!
August 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
hey bush face,
fu@k you d1ck bag.. and YOUR team just got beat tonight.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
oh yea J that’s much better.. SUCK FOR LUCK! just tank the season so we can get a first round BUST
if you didn’t notice, most of our starters are late round gems. go ahead and count them. we don’t need to over spend on some top 5 pick … i’d rather use that money for proven veterans to solidify positions when we have the room for them next off season.
take your tanking and be gone! thanks.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Too much panic in here this weekend….
Everyone take a deep breath….
There.
As you were.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
hey bush face,
fu@k you d1ck bag.. and YOUR team just got beat tonight.
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Sorry son, I don’t speak gibberish. But take that Peyton Manning charger off, and that dick out of your mouth and say it again.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Kell,
yea our OL is a big bright spot for the first time since the dmn super bowl in 2002. another HUGE REASON for optimism.. with Wiz at center, that just solidifies things for me. Carlisle will still get shoved around all day long.. that’s why i’m hoping Bergz steps in ASAP!
top 5 OL again this year! CP3 has the protection he needs to get the ball down field! with our speed and now height running around… this offense is going to flow like wine, without FALSE STARTS and pointless holds!
August 5th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
i hope we win the superbowl every single season. i dont want our team to suck. but i DO want our team to draft a really GOOD quarterback for a change ie. rodgers.. i think the reggie can do that for us. but can we get a good quarterback in the middle of the first round? probably not. just sayin.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
i hope we win the superbowl every single season. i dont want our team to suck. but i DO want our team to draft a really GOOD quarterback for a change ie. rodgers.. i think the reggie can do that for us. but can we get a good quarterback in the middle of the first round? probably not. just sayin.
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What you are saying is go bronco’s right, you Manning dick sucking POS? It’s OK son, just go 1100 miles east.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Rodgers was drafted in the latter stages of the 1st round.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
why would we want a QB?
you don’t read much into camp do you? or franchise QB CP3 is looking sharp and is ready to lead this team. you’re basing your want for a mid first round QB on his performance last year?
i’ll take Lienart over any rookie QB all day long.
our QB situation is just fine from where i’m sitting.
injuries are a part of the game. it hits certain teams hard and other teams not so much.. and those are the ones that go all the way. there’s a lot of teams without great depth at certain positions … and depend on their starters in order to do well.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
xraided Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
why would we want a QB?
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We have an all around number one who lead the lea
August 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
xraided Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
why would we want a QB?
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We have an all around number one who lead the league in both completions and TD’s. We don’t want one. Unless you are a Manning dick sucking bronco hore.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
it depends on CP3, but i doubt we go after any QB in the first round. with all the other glaring needs on this team, it wouldn’t be too wise. we need CBs, LBs, DTs … etc over QB.
Rodgers is an anomaly …
August 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
hey bush face,
fu@k you d1ck bag.. and YOUR team just got beat tonight.
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Sorry son, I don’t speak gibberish. But take that Peyton Manning charger off, and that dick out of your mouth and say it again
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hahaha man you seriously need to chill, you callin out my loyalty as a true raiders fan deserves a serious ass whoopin, but since we are staring at computer screens it just aint gonna happen right now. since you obviously seem to have a hard-on for the donks, im begining to wonder about who YOU root for every sunday. but seriously man, i wont even go there because we are part of the same nation, THE RAIDER NATION THE ONLY NATION, which in turn makes me and you brothers. so yeah..
August 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Aaron Rodgers… pick #24. Brady, 6th round.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
people don’t realize how many teams would kill to have Palmer right now over their current starters.. ARZ for example? if teams don’t yet, they will wish they had made the trade with the Bungholes when guys like Skelton, Teboner, Sanchez, Wallace(or Flynn) fall flat on their face this upcoming year.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
And Xraided is right; CP3Is fine by me for three plus years.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
hey bush face,
fu@k you d1ck bag.. and YOUR team just got beat tonight.
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Let’s go back and reframe this. You said what now?
August 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
J-Raider
you just said you hope they lose a lot of games and go in the top 5 for picks. what kind of reaction did you expect? it’s hard to call yourself a hardcore fan when you want your team to tank …
even thinking means you’re throwing in the towel. not a good notion.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
seriously guys, how far do you see this team going this season? 9-7? 10-6? and when we hit the playoffs are we gonna beat teams like the cheatriots? the ravens? i know its any given sunday in this league but we have an up-hill climb before we start turning heads is all im saying. i hope for the best but i fear for the worst too..
August 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Let’s go back and reframe this. You said what now?
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just trying to show you how ignorant your previous post was.. pretty childish huh?
August 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
xraided Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
J-Raider
you just said you hope they lose a lot of games and go in the top 5 for picks. what kind of reaction did you expect? it’s hard to call yourself a hardcore fan when you want your team to tank …
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If he would take Peyton Mannings dick out of his mouth we might take him more seriously. Dick sucking loser.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Once the dance starts anything is possible.The last 2 SB winners were wildcard entries.If you can’t root for your team I don’t know what to tell you.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
xraided Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
J-Raider
you just said you hope they lose a lot of games and go in the top 5 for picks. what kind of reaction did you expect? it’s hard to call yourself a hardcore fan when you want your team to tank …
even thinking means you’re throwing in the towel. not a good notion.
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i dont WANT us to tank, i WANT us to be the best in football… FOR THE LONG TERM. not just 3-4 years, but for 13-14 YEARS. have we ever drafted a young stud quarterback to lead our team year after year to take us to the promised land? thats what i WANT!
August 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Where’d he go? Peyton Manning must have just dropped drow
August 5th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Once the dance starts anything is possible.The last 2 SB winners were wildcard entries.If you can’t root for your team I don’t know what to tell you.
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i root for my team 365 days a year, all i was implying is i think our team lacks depth, we have have glaring needs at certain positions, and i really really really want our team to draft a quarterback of the future.. whats so bad about that? am i the only person that thinks it would be cool as hell to draft a guy that could take us to the playoffs every season?
August 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I said many times in the past cutting loose Michael Bush will come back to haunt us.
We can lose Moore and Ford, pick up Plexico Burris and we’ll still be good at WR. However, skinny legs Taiwan always was an illusion. He’ll never stay healthy. And we all know DMAC is going down for the count. And who will run after that?
A x-3rd string fumbler I never heard of.
As I said in a previous post, we should package Moore, Ford and Seymour (as a consolation prize only) and trade them all for a hot CB.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I said many times in the past cutting loose Michael Bush will come back to haunt us.
We can lose Moore and Ford, pick up Plexico Burris and we’ll still be good at WR. However, skinny legs Taiwan always was an illusion. He’ll never stay healthy. And we all know DMAC is going down for the count. And who will run after that?
A x-3rd string fumbler I never heard of.
As I said in a previous post, we should package Moore, Ford and Seymour (as a consolation prize only) and trade them all for a hot CB.
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dont let seymore bush know you think we lack depth at any position on our team or he will say you suck off peyton manning.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Nothing wrong with wanting that guy,but rooting for your team to lose to get him isn’t something I believe in.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Once the dance starts anything is possible.The last 2 SB winners were wildcard entries.If you can’t root for your team I don’t know what to tell you.
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i root for my team 365 days a year, all i was implying is i think our team lacks depth, we have have glaring needs at certain positions, and i really really really want our team to draft a quarterback of the future.. whats so bad about that? am i the only person that thinks it would be cool as hell to draft a guy that could take us to the playoffs every season?
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OK, I am going to try to be calm, cool and collected. Washington just traded the overall 6th pick, a 2012 2nd rounder, a 2013 lst AND a 2014 lst for a guy who has never taken one snap. We have an overall number one, who led the league in completion percentage, led the league in TD’s, and came in off the couch, and played very well. His last three games for us with the playoffs on the line he completed 70+ percent for almost 10 yards PER ATTEMPT! and you have a problem with him. Explain please.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Repeat…
96.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Too much panic in here this weekend….
Everyone take a deep breath….
There.
As you were.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:06 am
J-Raider Says:
August 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
dont let seymore bush know you think we lack depth at any position on our team or he will say you suck off peyton manning.
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No, EVERY single team in the league has weaknesses. Green Bay was 15-1, READ IT, 15 and ONE, and was LAST, DEAD FOOKING LAST IN DEFENSE!!! That’s what idiot fan doesn’t understand. We can’t have all pro’s at every single position. The modern NFL requires you be smarter than other teams. We are not going to have Matt Barkely or Tyler Wilson sitting on our bench for the next five years waiting to start. Ain’t gonna happen.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am
OK, I am going to try to be calm, cool and collected. Washington just traded the overall 6th pick, a 2012 2nd rounder, a 2013 lst AND a 2014 lst for a guy who has never taken one snap. We have an overall number one, who led the league in completion percentage, led the league in TD’s, and came in off the couch, and played very well. His last three games for us with the playoffs on the line he completed 70+ percent for almost 10 yards PER ATTEMPT! and you have a problem with him. Explain please.
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i have no problem with palmer as our quarterack, in fact i never said i did. i agree that he did a hell of a job last season coming out of retirement and getting us close to the playoffs. however, what i want to happen is for us to bring a guy in who can learn from him and lead usto the playoffs every season, kinda like reggie did in greenbay a few years back. i think he can do it for us too, and i think we have an excellent supporting cast on our offense to do so.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am
I assume you are talking about Carson Palmer? I neither favor nor disfavor him. He has never led an NFL team anywhere. Based on his played the last half of the season in 2011, I feel his performance will improve because he will have a full training camp under his belt, knows the playbook, etc.
I feel basically that the best we saw CP last year is what we will get this year.
We just have to wait and see.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:11 am
We are not going to have Matt Barkely or Tyler Wilson sitting on our bench for the next five years waiting to start. Ain’t gonna happen.
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you are correct, in fact if we were to draft either one of those guys, the mark would probably be 2 or 3 years not 5.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am
and honestly man palmer’s best season was in 05 and then he got hurt and now hes here.. all i want is a young gun not named pryor to be waiting in the stables learning from palmer for a couple years.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Reggie Mac a.k.a. “Big Blake” said this team can make the playoffs as is. I’m rollin’ with Reg.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am
I love that this team is under the radar so they can focus on improvement. The bucs and skins had 4 wins last season and get more hype. Thanks to TTTTebow & the Jets for being a media vacuum too.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Raider J Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Reggie Mac a.k.a. “Big Blake” said this team can make the playoffs as is. I’m rollin’ with Reg.
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i agree with that man, i understand we are under the radar, i am also excited to see how he runs things in the future. im still betting he drafts a qb as our top pick next year though..
August 6th, 2012 at 12:30 am
goodnight gents, GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Tp sounds waay off.. 4th string?
August 6th, 2012 at 1:43 am
10 REAL PRE-SEASON QUESTIONS FOR THE RAIDERS
1. Will the restructured environment improve the team performance or will the transition be overwhelming?
2. Will all of these 1-2 yr contracts bring out the best in players hoping to earn long term deals or expose their limitations that led them to accept this offer?
3. Will the emphasis on accountability and chain of command lead to less penalties on the field?
4. Will the multiple defenses be more effective or too complicated to execute properly with the current roster?
5. Will ZBS lead to more pts or is it better served elsewhere?
6. Will RoMac improve on and off the field or will he prove to be unable to lead a quality NFL defense?
7. Will CP be the next Plunkett/Gannon to revitalize his career or are his best years behind him?
8. Will DMc run for a full season or have continued misfortune?
9. Will the east coast trips wear the team down or will the 3 consecutive home games near the end of the season have a balancing effect?
10. Will the AFC West opponents improve more than the Raiders?
*Change questions to past tense for end of season evaluation
August 6th, 2012 at 2:14 am
128.J-Raider Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am
… all i want is a young gun not named pryor to be waiting in the stables learning from palmer for a couple years.
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See how much Pryor can develop by summer 2013 before writing him off. This is his first NFL training camp ever…first year with a technical QB coach. He’s been credited with being a super talented, hard worker. Low risk, big potential. It may pay off. Leinart may hang around too.
August 6th, 2012 at 3:24 am
Raider J Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:43 am
10 REAL PRE-SEASON ANSWERS FOR THE RAIDERS
1. Will the restructured environment improve the team performance or will the transition be overwhelming?
Improve Performance
2. Will all of these 1-2 yr contracts bring out the best in players hoping to earn long term deals or expose their limitations that led them to accept this offer?
The contracts will bring out the best in the players. What reason is there to assume otherwise? Players want to perform. This is their job.
3. Will the emphasis on accountability and chain of command lead to less penalties on the field?
Yes, that and the fact that we will have replacement Officials will reduce the number of penalties in 2012.
4. Will the multiple defenses be more effective or too complicated to execute properly with the current roster?
More Effective
5. Will ZBS lead to more pts or is it better served elsewhere?
The Offense this season will be a top 15 animal if we “only” implement the ZBS. However, if we incorporate some other run game concepts along with the ZBS we have the talent to be a top 7 team.
6. Will RoMac improve on and off the field or will he prove to be unable to lead a quality NFL defense?
Only the Commissioner can answer this question.
7. Will CP be the next Plunkett/Gannon to revitalize his career or are his best years behind him?
Carson Palmer’s best year’s are ahead of him. Comparing him to Plunkett &/or Gannon is a ignorant question.
Contrasting Gannon to Plunkett is ignorant PERIOD. Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Assigning Gannon in the company of Plunkett to any question is ignorant.
8. Will DMc run for a full season or have continued misfortune?
Full Season coming up.
9. Will the east coast trips wear the team down or will the 3 consecutive home games near the end of the season have a balancing effect?
Not having back to back road games in consecutive weeks (bye week doesn’t count) until season’s end will prove beneficial. The 3 consecutive home games along with any contest all depend on 3 things; preparation, performance, and execution.
10. Will the AFC West opponents improve more than the Raiders?
Denver is going to be our toughest division opponent. They have possibly the smartest Quarterback who has ever played the game. Our ability to confuse him with our defense will determine who wins or loses this division.
Should be fun….
Preparation, Performance, & Execution
August 6th, 2012 at 5:10 am
Good morning Nation
Some things that stand out as news items from over the weekend:
1) Ron Bartell finally cleared for play. It will be interesting to see how he responds to DVD’s early training camp high level of play.
2) Travis Ivey out already? Wow! The REGGIME sure doesn’t take long to send them packing. I thought of Reggie as this laid back type of mellow dude with lots of patience. Guess this is a message to the team to put in the work or get packing. I’m sure there are others that are close to being cut, judging by DA’s “no shortcuts” comment.
3)Denarius Moore needs to be held out till he’s 100% and then give him a week off just to be sure. Hammy’s are nagging injuries that derail seasons for many wideouts. They depend on their legs to execute sharp cuts on every play and if the hammy is even a little tender, it’ll re-injure very quickly. I don’t think it’s the fault of the training staff, but shutting him down and letting others get more work may be a blessing in disguise for young pups like Criner and Streater.
4) Taiwan Jones hammy also very concerning. He needs to shut it down too and be back full strength for SD. In the meantime, it’s Goodson’s time to shine. Camp reports were that Goodson was showing impressive speed and impressed the fans in attendance.
5) Concern for Terrelle Pryor improving his game in a very short period on the heels of losing his father and mentor inside a week’s time. No time to grieve though. Pryor has to take all that OTA work and offseason work with Carson and Leinart and put it all together in a condensed timeline.
August 6th, 2012 at 5:50 am
TP’s world-class athleticism almost hurts him as far as developing as a QB goes.
Having that athleticism just rotting away at 3rd string QB is foolish, and coaches are going to find ways to utilize it.
All eyes will be on Pryor in the preseason games, and he has to AT LEAST look somewhat the part of a QB.
August 6th, 2012 at 5:56 am
I think it would be also foolish to rush a position change on Terrelle Pryor. They need to give him a full preseason of work to see what they have in him before converting him to a WR. He’d be nothing but a longshot project there and on the roster bubble even with his atletisism. He doesn’t just suddenly run 9 routes one day and dominate our CB’s. That would be a panic move. And it would send a message to the league that we are panicing and his trade value will be nil. We need to develop him as a QB for his sake and for ours as well. If he’s a 3rd sting QB who sits on the bench for the season, so be it. He’ll eventually pay off in trade value, but only if he grip our hole cards tight to the vest. No time to flop our cards now.
August 6th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Another thing is that Pryor will only have 2 years left on his contract after this season.
If he had more years, it would allow for more patience.
But I can’t see any scenario of him being JUST the backup QB throughout his time here.
If he isn’t an option to start at QB, who will be moved to somewhere else, even if for just a short period of time, to see if they can get a decent ROI.
August 6th, 2012 at 5:58 am
123,
Pryor played some WR in college, caught a TD in a bowl game against Texas, etc. Mostly fade routes in the red zone though.
His camp did that to put it on film, just in case.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:00 am
I count our blessings that at least we have a decent backup in Leinart. And while he’s a huge downgrade from Carson, he can game manage and knows Knapp’s system well. He can tread water for us while Carson is down or dinged. I feel a lot better about him than I ever did Kyle Boller. Pryor is occupying a spot as a developmental QB. It’s tough to absorb the roster spot, but at the price Al invested, we don’t have much choice. We have to get something from our 3rd round draft pick. We just have to.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:01 am
My point is, 3rd string QB’s are nothing.
If training camp 2013 rolls around, and he is still the 3rd stringer, you got to maybe reshuffle the deck.
The business side of the game almost demands it. He will be making over 1.4 million dollars the last year of his contract, about 4X’s what most teams pay for their 3rd string QB, and maybe more than what some teams pay for their backup.
The Reggie doesn’t seem like the type to dole out that type of dough if he doesn’t have to.
I want Pryor to emerge as a QB option/solution for us. That would be the most ideal situation for him and us. But the notion that we can just let him sit around for 3 years and never play is crazy.
Not how the league works these days.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Take the name and draft pick out of it, and just ask yourself:
Does The Reggie seem like the type to have one of the highest, if not the highest, paid 3rd string QB’s in the NFL?
Pryor needs to be the backup QB, in next years training camp. The business side of things is not on his side for a 3-4 year development.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:04 am
JFB,
I’m with you on the notion that we can’t just “sit” on Pryor. But we need to showcase him and get some positive vibe out there if we want any kind of trade value in return. Much of the Nation wants him to emerge as some kind of a stud QB, but those are rare. TP probably has all the physical measurables as a Michael Vick or Cam Newton, but it’s apparent that he lacks a lot of the tutilage that those dudes had. He’s a high risk/reward guy that we need to develop a fallback plan for. I don’t see that fallback plan including a positional switch, but instead an opportunity to develop him to trade him (if need be).
August 6th, 2012 at 6:07 am
The Reggie loves his draft picks, so I can see that.
But, realistically, the only way we would really want to trade him, is if he doesn’t look like a QB option moving forward.
If he does that, what would his trade value be? Not much.
I would rather move him to S/WR in that case, rather than get a conditional 6th rounder, but Mr. McKenzie might disagree.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:07 am
I agree that Pryor can’t just sit on the bench making 2nd string dough with 3rd string depth chart rating. He’s going to have to improve to 2nd string by the trade deadline or Reggie is going to be forced to ship him. No way can he go into next year just fighting for the backup QB spot. Reggie will see to that.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:10 am
I think the only trade value TP will have is as a QB. Hopefully he pans out and other teams take notice. Even then, he’d be worth a late round pick at best.
But as a postional switch player, I doubt he’d be anything more than competing with the Eddie McGee’s of this world. At that point of competition, his trade value = street free agent.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
August 6th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Of course, all this talk of him as the 3rd stringer might prove moot, because our current backup QB is about as brittle as they come.
In Leinart’s last 8 games he played and played somewhat significant snaps (he had a few games where he came in in blowouts and handed it off;not counting those) he has managed 3 season-ending injuries.
Nobody should be suprised if Leinart gets hurt, again, this preseason.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Good Morning Hwnrdr
August 6th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Leinart has earned the rep of being brittle, soft even. He seemed like he was ready to get his career on the right track in his one start/opportunity back when Schaub went down, before Yates got his chance. At one time, Leinart was ahead of Yates and it didn’t look like he was going to let go of the starting spot if not for injury. As a starter, I’d be very scared/worried about Leinart, but as an insurance policy and stopgap, I think he’ll be fine.
But if Carson goes down early in the season on IR, season’s over and look forward to next year already.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:31 am
If Carson and Leinart go down, it’ll at least be interesting to watch Pryor thrown to the wolves. I’d think at best he’d look like Aaron Brooks out there running for his life.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:34 am
GUEST,POST 152,AND U BET UR A$$ THE OPPOSITION KNOWS THAT.ESPECIALLY THE TEAMS IN THE AFC WEST.PROTECTING MR. PALMER IS THE KEY TO THE WHOLE THING..
August 6th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Leinart played what, a half, before he got hurt last year?
That is ridiculous!!!!
August 6th, 2012 at 6:35 am
The NFL has offered to reduce New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma’s year-long suspension to eight games as part of ongoing settlement talks involving the league, the NFL Players Association and legal representatives for the four players who were suspended for their alleged participation in the team’s bounty program from 2009-2011, according to sources familiar with the discussions.
The league’s offer was made late last week but it is conditional upon Vilma dropping a civil lawsuit charging commissioner Roger Goodell with defamation of character, sources said. Vilma has expressed his strong feelings about his tainted reputation.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8238319/sources-jonathan-vilma-suspension-reduced-withdraws-civil-suit
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King Goodell feeling the heat of Vilma’s civil lawsuit, and is backing down offering an olive branch.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:36 am
“There’s no doubt in my mind, there’s a lot of teams that I would be starting for,” Mitchell said, “but we have these things called contracts, and mine isn’t up yet.”
Without saying too much, there’s a little bit of politics that goes into everything
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In other words, Mike is saying that even if he’s the best strong safety on the team, he’s not going to start because Tyvon is on Reggie’s scholarship program
August 6th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Injuries are difficult to project. You could get hit by a bus on your first day on the job, and your boss could say, “tsk, tsk, Ridiculous!, can’t even put a full day on the job!” Life is unfair and sometimes cruel.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:40 am
In other words, Mike is saying that even if he’s the best strong safety on the team, he’s not going to start because Tyvon is on Reggie’s scholarship program
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Mike needs to STFU and string together a few good practices and then a few good games and MAYBE, Just MAYBE he makes the team. He’s really feeling his oats now in the glow of Cork’s fluffpiece. MM34 needs to understand he’s closer to the meeting where he needs to bring his playbook with him than he is claiming either of Huff or Branch’s spots. All that talk is frustration that he’s not that good and knows it.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Yes, one time injuries can be a total luck scenario, and some guys seem snake-bitten.
But ability to stay healthy in the NFL, is a skill in my eyes. It may be a God given skill, like being 6′5 or super fast, but a skill never-the-less.
August 6th, 2012 at 6:42 am
But ability to stay healthy in the NFL, is a skill in my eyes. It may be a God given skill, like being 6′5 or super fast, but a skill never-the-less.
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Lookin at you DMAC!
August 6th, 2012 at 6:50 am
I think MM34 is correct. He is certainly a Top 30 SS in the NFL and he’s only getting better
I told you guys earlier this offseason that Mitch would produce the same thing as Branch and that we’d be fine with Mitchell & Taylor at SS if Branch walked in FA …
They have the same skill set, but not the same opportunity. hits like a mack truck, excellent on special teams, good run defender, average cover man, attitude for days
August 6th, 2012 at 6:52 am
oh yeah, Mike & Tyvon both have blazing speed, too
and were Al Davis favorites. Davis traded for the 1st pick to move up in the 4th round and take Branch, a CB out of UConn and converted him to safety
Mitchell was a small school kid that almost NOBODY had heard of, even the draft “experts”
August 6th, 2012 at 6:54 am
I think Mitchell is a lot better than you guys give him credit for. Aaron Curry too
Heyward-Bey & Huff are a few other players that semi pro’s in here love to hate
August 6th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Let the record show that, defensive tackle Travis Ivey is the first player cut by the Raiders since things got serious. Coach Dennis Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie pulled the plug on Ivey on Sunday.
“We’ll keep all options open and do anything we can to try to help this football team,” Allen said, “but right now, it wasn’t something that we felt like was going to help the team.”
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fat slob NT’s aren’t welcome in Oakland !!
your 4 DT’s are Seymour, Kelly, Bryant & Bilukidi
print that
August 6th, 2012 at 6:58 am
I think Mitchell is a lot better than you guys give him credit for. Aaron Curry too
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You’re right. I don’t think much of them. Reggie knows that they are easily upgradable. I think the rest of league knows that too. What do you think their trade value is right now? Either of them?
August 6th, 2012 at 7:03 am
C’mon now, let’s dispense with the bashing of former Raiders that didn’t work out. “fat slob” is kind of a broad brushstroke. He had a concussion due to a weight room incident and had a tough time getting his weight under control. I don’t think he just played video games and ate doritos and pespi on the couch. He had medical issues and that’s tough for the big guys to overcome. I hope he works his tail off and gets another chance somewhere.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:09 am
well said Guest !!
about time somebody showed us fat guys some love !!! lol lol lol
August 6th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Not to hate on Huff, but I hear he’s running a side gig as a blogger. He needs to stop that ASAP. He needs to dedicate full resources of his time to the REGGIME. Other than that, I expect a big season from Huff.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:10 am
oh GOOD MORNING NATION !!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
August 6th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Good Morning Mike
August 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
What’s up Guest, Mike, Rockstar!
Hey i remember one “fat slob” that had helped us…Sam Adams!
August 6th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Mitchell said. “I just know that the first couple of days that we’ve had a chance to play football, I’ve been making a pretty decent amount of plays in this defense. I love this scheme. Coach Tarver, it’s unbelievable, we’re coming from everywhere. I’m not trying to give away too much detail, but the way everything works, man, top-5 defense.”
….if only his performance matched his enthusiasm!
August 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Speaking of fat slobs, isn’t Chubby Checker a bit on the heavy side?
August 6th, 2012 at 7:29 am
I’m not trying to give away too much detail, but the way everything works, man, top-5 defense.”
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Big talk about top-5 defense coming from a guy whose play is partly responsible for a bottom-5 defense. How ironic is that? talk like a top 5 and play like a bottome 5, sound familiar? Like any of the teams of the past decade?
August 6th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Jhill,
Was it you that kept reassuring me that there was no need to procure a NT this offseason because we had our NT on the team already…..namely Ivey?
August 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am
174.guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Speaking of fat slobs, isn’t Chubby Checker a bit on the heavy side?
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Watching NFL Network’s coverage of training camp the other day, they showed Reggie talking with Allen, and, to me, Reggie appeared to have lost some weight.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:35 am
All this talk of 34 defense is much about nothing. I doubt we see any meaningful 34 sets, and this year at least we’re a 43 team even if coach Allen and Tarver say different.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Peter King’s training camp report on us:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/08/05/mmqb/1.html
Tuesday: Oakland (Napa Marriott, Napa, Calif.).
Three football nuggets: Darren McFadden, who’s been hurt in all four of his NFL seasons, told me: “It drives me crazy. I want to go out there and prove I can stay healthy a full season.” … Matt Leinart is a solid No. 2 at quarterback. I’d be surprised if Terrelle Pryor dents the top two without an injury … Dennis Allen, the new coach, went to school on the salary cap in a big cap-strapped year, a lesson taught by GM Reggie McKenzie. They went around and around trying to figure a way to keep Kamerion Wimbley, but in the end, keeping Wimbley likely would have cost them a more valued player in Tyvon Branch. “The pie’s only so big, and I needed to learn about that,” Allen said. “A head coach in the NFL needs to learn about those things.”
Life changes. Even the Raiders change.
The Raiders have had training camp on fields behind the Napa Marriott for years, and nothing much is different back here. Except for one thing: the small media tent, with Wi-Fi if they want to write out here, and a cooler of bottled water. Welcome, media! How can we help you? Then you see the media guide — in living color for the first time — and you look in the records section, and you see more signs of détente. Color photos of Mike Shanahan and Lane Kiffin! What else could there be on the premises? A statue of Al Davis and Pete Rozelle hugging?
Here’s what else is new: drafting a wide receiver who ran a 4.68 in the 40 at the Scouting Combine. True fact. Arizona’s Juron Criner, 6-2 ½ and 224 pounds, ran glacially for a wideout at the combine, and the new general manager of the Raiders, Reggie McKenzie, saw past it and drafted Criner in the fifth round, the only wideout Oakland drafted this year. Al Davis drafted wideouts with sprinter speed; it was a Raider trademark. McKenzie likes sprinter speed, but good receivers who run in the 4.3s aren’t going to be available with the 168th pick in the draft, as Criner was. So you improvise.
“I’m pretty sure this guy wouldn’t have been on Mr. Davis’ board,” McKenzie said, chuckling before practice. “We kid around about that, because Mr. Davis’ shadow will always be over this organization. And you know, I want 4.3 corners and 4.4 wide receivers. But they have to be good football players too.”
“I’ve heard that,” said Criner, “and when I got here, people told me they were always a speed team. I see what’s going on here — I’m surrounded by pure speed. But I think there are things I can do, with instincts and angles, that make me a good receiver.”
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
It’s unmistakable around here: There is respect for the late Al Davis — reverence by some. But there’s only one Al, and when he died, his way of roster-building and team-operating went with him. McKenzie hired a defensive coach, Dennis Allen, who will play some (a lot, probably) zone coverage. Davis had hired nothing but offensive head coaches over the last 40 years, and his defenses played man coverage.
In football, McKenzie and Allen stressed to me, reverence will get you nowhere. You have to be yourself and manage and coach your way, not with some homage to the strongest personality in NFL history.
“We’re going to be constantly reminded, ‘That’s not an Al Davis pick,’ or ‘You’ve got to get back to Cover 1 [man coverage],” McKenzie said. “We can’t let that interfere with what we’re trying to do, which is building a team the way we think is best.”
Said Allen: “The tradition here is second to none, and we obviously respect what Al Davis did. None of us here now are Al, or can be Al. But we have to coach football and run the football team the way we’ve been trained. We have to be ourselves and live with the results.”
Allen’s running a high-energy camp. His two most important players, Carson Palmer and Darren McFadden, have bought in. Palmer says he’s never been more excited about a football season in his life, and Allen has rid the team of worrying about anything but football.
Imagine being Palmer, being told you’re definitely not being traded by the Bengals last year, not doing any football training or much throwing after the season started, getting traded on the day of the deadline, and playing an NFL game five days later?
I’m not close to Palmer, but I’ve known him pretty well over the years, and when we met here at the Marriott, I saw an enthusiasm I hadn’t seen since he entered the league. The Bengals years beat him down, and he didn’t play well near the end, and he decided he wasn’t going to play football anymore unless the Bengals traded him. Which, finally, they did.
Palmer told me offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is “a phenomenal teacher, a genius” (someone call Terrell Owens for comment). Palmer also said running back Taiwan Jones “is the fastest man in the league,” Darren McFadden “is as good as any running back there is,” called back Mike Goodson “shockingly good,” and added, “I know I can play as well as any quarterback in this league.”
On the field in the afternoon practice, Palmer was accurate and fast with the ball, throwing to his cadre of world-class sprinters. And Criner. Big target. Showed good hands. Around here, he’s part of the new future.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Told ya ivey is a nobody..
August 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am
BTW: Seattle to work out Terrell Owens
August 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am
And that rumor is getting stronger about Plax???
August 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am
That Peter King article got me pumped!
August 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
From King:
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
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Wow! Loaded question. Hindsight being 20/20, it sounds as if King is still less than impressed with DHB even after observing him in camp.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:44 am
BTW: Seattle to work out Terrell Owens
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Didn’t they just sign Braylon Edwards? Seattle is such a joke franchise. lol
August 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am
New to site. Looks like dedicated fans in here. Raider fans are the best thought I’d join heard this was a great blog.
August 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Sometimes.lol
August 6th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Opinions definately go Full Spectrum.
August 6th, 2012 at 8:05 am
186.Dwaiders Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am
New to site. Looks like dedicated fans in here. Raider fans are the best thought I’d join heard this was a great blog.
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Hey MR. How ya doin?
August 6th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Whens curry supposed to come back?
August 6th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Curry’s honing up his coaching skills in the hopes of a job opening.
August 6th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
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Wow! Loaded question. Hindsight being 20/20, it sounds as if King is still less than impressed with DHB even after observing him in camp.
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Yeah, so What I say…..It’s like finding out you now have to take care of your Sister’s kid. Probably didn’t want the responsibility…Let out a big sigh, and head shake feeling the burden you now have, but it’s family. It doesn’t matter anymore. DHB was a giant reach, a monumental gamble…But Al’s gone now, the whole thing is moot. What would RM have done? It doesn’t matter. DHB is family now, and he’s doing the best he can. If he makes a solid contribution, it was worth it. People probably won’t ever be able to validate the pick, and I personally don’t care anymore. His family will be proud, and the Nation will be proud of him too.
August 6th, 2012 at 8:11 am
I need some good news. The stark reality of injuries and how they can devastate a team hit me hard last night.
NOT that Raiders are “devastated” by Taiwan having a hammy or that we can’t win w/o D.Moore having naggin issues, but injuries can really screw with your plans.
And seriously, what do we do if Seymour’s knee is something that’s gonna be an issue?
Injuries throw any prognostications out the window.
August 6th, 2012 at 8:15 am
DA is “concerned” about D.Moore and so am I. This guy was supposed to be one of our “stars”.
IF he’s not at 100% then what?
Starters would be:
-DHB
-Ford???
Ford’s height is a bit of a drawback imo. I think big strong receivers are something preferable.
If not Ford as the #2 then can Criner jump in possibly? Or Streater?
August 6th, 2012 at 8:16 am
We are definitely fragile
August 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Jhill,
Was it you
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Hardly.
It was Corky.
August 6th, 2012 at 8:18 am
I have a feeling we’re gonna see way more of our rookies than what we may have thought.
If Curry can’t come back 100% then are we looking at Burris to start day 1?
August 6th, 2012 at 8:19 am
I did tell you we shouldn’t trade for Kolb though!
August 6th, 2012 at 9:42 am
TESTING!!
August 6th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@G123
#167. There is a reason Ivey is looking for his 5th team before he even starts his 3rd NFL season
probably the same reason he went undrafted …
August 6th, 2012 at 9:44 am
I guess the site had some major problems…
AND…We’re back
August 6th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Matt Flynn is going to be this years Kevin Kolb
August 6th, 2012 at 9:49 am
DJ Johnny. Good thought on MR, but I guess not. He would’ve said “Who’s MR?” by now. Wouldn’t be able to help himself.
August 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
@ RRS,
Lot of good players went undrafted for whatever reason. Cork was gushing about Ivey earlier in the OTA’s, saying he looked the part back then. Now he’s just another contestant for the Biggest Loser.
August 6th, 2012 at 9:55 am
While the blog was down, spent some time studying up on Romney’s proposed tax plan. It turns out all the complicated mess details is that people earning more than $1M/year would get a tax cut average per year of $87,000 while middle class taxes would have an increase in taxes by $884/yr. Needless to say I do NOT like Romney’s plan.
August 6th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Hey i remember one “fat slob” that had helped us…Sam Adams!
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@Hwnrdr
yeah, but Adams was a Top 10 overall draft pick. fresh off of a Super Bowl winning 2000 Ravens Defense & 2001 Pro Bowl season for them …
he had TALENT!
cant just plug in a fat guy like Terdell Sands and expect him to be BJ Raji, ya know??
August 6th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Speaking of Raji, I wanted that fat fggr instead of DHB!
August 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
So is Chaz Schilens behind this brouhaha at the Jets practice today?
August 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Hey i remember one “fat slob” that had helped us…Sam Adams!
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@Hwnrdr
yeah, but Adams was a Top 10 overall draft pick. fresh off of a Super Bowl winning 2000 Ravens Defense & 2001 Pro Bowl season for them …
he had TALENT!
cant just plug in a fat guy like Terdell Sands and expect him to be BJ Raji, ya know??
I hear ya! And then we let him go the next year! First game, he picks upa fumble and rumbles to the end zone! That was a big WTF?
August 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
DJ,
I think we have some talented rookie WR’s. I am not worried about our WR’s. Criner is excellent and there is another one whom I have heard good things about.
You may as well put Ford on the IR list since he has spent most of his time with the Raiders there.
If we, for instance, picked up Plexico Buress, we’ll be set for WR’s.
What is extremely troublesome is our running game. DMAC will suffer a blown out hangnail and go down for the season early. Taiwan, is hurt again, and will remain hurt. There are a few other 3rd string fumblers who won’t do us much good. As much as I hate to say I “told you so”, I told the posters here, that we would regret the day Michael Bush got away; and we will regret that day, this season.
We should have cut Seymour and paid Bush some money. Afterall, he is as good as DMAC, in the long run, especially under any coach who could successfully use him.
We will see a lot of rookies this season, and good enough for it. We got them cheap. Hopefully, at this season’s end we can release all AD’s overpaid players.
Finally, as I said before, we should package Moore, Ford and Seymour, and maybe a late round pick w/cash, and trade for a bona-fide CB.
August 6th, 2012 at 9:59 am
RaidingTexas Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
So is Chaz Schilens behind this brouhaha at the Jets practice today?
LOL, what happened? Did he Tebow?
August 6th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Cork was gushing about Ivey earlier in the OTA’s, saying he looked the part back then. Now he’s just another contestant for the Biggest Loser.
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@G123
thats exactly why OTA’s are deceiving, especially for linemen. OTA’s are no contact. what the heck can linemen do without contact? look at eachother and talk trash? training camp & preseason are a much better indication and Ivey didn’t even get a shot because he was too friggin fat, not because he was injured!!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Speaking of Raji, I wanted that fat fggr instead of DHB!
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Who didn’t ??
I wanted Monroe or Crabtree if we were going offense.
Al Davis got it right, I didn’t.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am
what the heck can linemen do without contact? look at eachother and talk trash?
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LOL @ Rockstar,
I just got an image of modern age Japanese Sumo Wrestlers staring at each other and pointing fingers at each other’s bellies trying to look tough.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
From King:
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
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Wow! Loaded question. Hindsight being 20/20, it sounds as if King is still less than impressed with DHB even after observing him in camp.
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Reggie would have taken Crabtree, Maclin or Harvin before DHB, simply because they all produced more in college.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@ post 192. Good take. I agree it’s like inheriting your sister’s kid and dealing with it. While I’m a vocal critic of Bey, I’m rooting for him every Sunday to make Al Davis decision to pick him early not so awful as the pundits claim. He’s part of the Nation# until he’s not.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@G123
I think it’s funny how we overreact to OTA tweets like “Kelly bursts thru for a would-be sack” …
Of course it WOULD BE a sack if nobody could put thier hands on him !!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
The hamstring epidemic is rearing its ugly head already.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Darrius Heyward Bey has great size and speed compared to all of those other WR’s picked in his draft class later. Also has tremendous work ethic and the kids got some moxie too talking trash with DB’s. He’s a able and willing blocker and a great teammate. I just wanted to say for the record that I’m not all about bashing Bey.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Yeah im not feeling this hammy thing at all…i dont even like HAM let alone hamstring injuries!…come on man!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Kelly had 7 1/2 sacks last year. I think we could give him some leeway there…
August 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@ Mr Brown
what the heck is up with your boy Lamarr Houston getting manhandled by Barnes on one play and then dusted for six when trying to cover McFadden ??
August 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
No way The Reggime would have taken a damn WR at 7 back then.
Would have CERTAINLY been a defensive player.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:10 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
From King:
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
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Wow! Loaded question. Hindsight being 20/20, it sounds as if King is still less than impressed with DHB even after observing him in camp.
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Reggie would have taken Crabtree, Maclin or Harvin before DHB, simply because they all produced more in college.
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Quack Attack….I dunno bruh….I dont think he picks none of them…he woulda took Nicks
August 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yeah, ham is terrible.
Except for Honeybaked.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Hammies are going to happen in TC. There’s being in “shape” and then there is “football shape”. Only way to get into “football shape” is by playing football. Playing football full speed is going to stress every bone, joint, nerve, and cartlidge in the body. It’s never really tested…until it’s tested.
No track trainer is going to make a difference. The fellas have to go thru the grind. Just be thankful that there aren’t any serious injuries….yet.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
RRs,
When I say someone isn’t performing you can take it to the bank. See SeaPerch, L Murphy, R Seymour.
L Houston I officially put on my radar at the end of last season for obvious reason.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@ Mr Brown
what the heck is up with your boy Lamarr Houston getting manhandled by Barnes on one play and then dusted for six when trying to cover McFadden ??
August 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Kelly had 7 1/2 sacks last year. I think we could give him some leeway there…
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WE gave up 5 yards a carry with him starting in middle….no he gets no leeway from me….he needs to not be one dimensional if we wanna make that leap this season
August 6th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thought Goethel and Stupar looked good yesterday but Allen said he needs more out of his backup linebackers; coach praised McClain, Wheeler
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Coach happy with 55, eh???
August 6th, 2012 at 10:13 am
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yeah, ham is terrible.
Except for Honeybaked.
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As AJ Jamal said in Dont Be a Menace While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood…”Swine my brotha”
August 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
If they were to make odds on who would have the most recieving yards in the AFC West this year, DHB would be about the 4th or 5th favorite to do so.
Not bad all things considering.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I remember one day I was bold enough to opine that L. Houston had regressed last year and should be a rotational end with Tollefson. The Houston defender came out of the woodwork. I must be speaking heresy!
lol
August 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Hammies are going to happen in TC. There’s being in “shape” and then there is “football shape”. Only way to get into “football shape” is by playing football. Playing football full speed is going to stress every bone, joint, nerve, and cartlidge in the body. It’s never really tested…until it’s tested.
No track trainer is going to make a difference. The fellas have to go thru the grind. Just be thankful that there aren’t any serious injuries….yet.
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It seems the last 4 or 5 TCs we have hammy issues and they go well into the season….these guys need to get it together
August 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
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Peter King didnt even spell his name right, what a clown!
pure speculation on his part, too. Reggie & Dennis have been singing the praises of King Darrius all offseason. Why do this, if he’s no longer on the Davis/Jackson scholarship ??
Why didn’t PK have the balls to ask Reggie or Dennis that question or ANY question about DHB?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Darrius Heyward Bey has great size and speed compared to all of those other WR’s picked in his draft class later. Also has tremendous work ethic and the kids got some moxie too talking trash with DB’s. He’s a able and willing blocker and a great teammate. I just wanted to say for the record that I’m not all about bashing Bey.
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Yeah man, I never got the feeling you were “Anti” DHB. I never felt you bashed him either. I totally get all your criticizm, because it’s true. I can’t deny it. It’s more outside folks. Annalysts and what-not. 4 years later and still talkin about Crabtree and all that. Comon guys, drop it already. We’re past all that now. The kid has grown on me so much the last couple years that, if we had to do it all over again, I’d still want him.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I remember one day I was bold enough to opine that L. Houston had regressed last year and should be a rotational end with Tollefson. The Houston defender came out of the woodwork. I must be speaking heresy!
lol
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He did and he admitted as much to me in May….he should be rotational at LDE and UT…I dont think you are far off…we need speed on the edge
August 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Get the feeling Darius Heyward-Bey might not have been the seventh pick in the 2009 draft if McKenzie had been running the show?
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Peter King didnt even spell his name right, what a clown!
pure speculation on his part, too. Reggie & Dennis have been singing the praises of King Darrius all offseason. Why do this, if he’s no longer on the Davis/Jackson scholarship ??
Why didn’t PK have the balls to ask Reggie or Dennis that question or ANY question about DHB?
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Peter King has balls?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Slo-mania baby….I know you feel it coming haters.
I hope everyone can be as creative with the nicknames for him, when they view him positively.
Mayor McCheese is about to run for governor.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Thought Goethel and Stupar looked good yesterday but Allen said he needs more out of his backup linebackers
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wow!!
who could have guessed that slow white dude late rounders aren’t that impressive ??
re-sign Ricky Brown
August 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
The only insight I got from the PK article that I hadn’t heard elsewhere was his long personal relationship with Carson and how he seems really excited about playing QB for the Raiders. That’s the type of reporting that really pumps me up. The other stuff any hack reporter could do by copying other peoples work.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:20 am
So the WR group is looking like
DHB
Moore
Ford
Criner
Streater
McGee/Calhoun
You guys think?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I assume we’ll get an update on Taiwan’s injury today?
As far as Seymour is concerned, what is a “tweak”?
I guess we’ll find out eventually.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Method, never got the chance to thank you for your practice reports. very nice reporting sir !! good job and THANK YOU !!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Slo-mania baby….I know you feel it coming haters.
I hope everyone can be as creative with the nicknames for him, when they view him positively.
Mayor McCheese is about to run for governor.
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I wanna SEE IT first. McCheese gets no leeway from me till he can show us his SUPLEX move on Peyton Manning. Only then will he be in my good graces.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am
241.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:20 am
So the WR group is looking like
DHB
Moore
Ford
Criner
Streater
McGee/Calhoun
You guys think?
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I’m worried about Moore. I worry that he’s an injury prone Ferrari that’ll stay in the garage.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Vegas….he will play better…maybe I’ll give him back the “RoBeast” tag
August 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
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I wanna SEE IT first. McCheese gets no leeway from me till he can show us his SUPLEX move on Peyton Manning. Only then will he be in my good graces.
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Me too. Slamming Steve Largent impersonators doesn’t do it for me.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Moore is that Ferrari that you put on the shelf till raceday. We don’t need him now. He’ll be ready when we do need him. Till then, it’s an excellent opportunity for Criner/Streater to put on a show for the Nation#
August 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Carson and how he seems really excited about playing QB for the Raiders
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Absolutely man. That goes beyond the “Canned” answers.
-Yeah, we’re not where we need to be. got more work to do. Take it day by day, get better as a team….. Blah, Blah, Blah……
You don’t blow smoke by saying this is the most excited you’ve ever been. It’s a trend. Player after player is coming off as EXSTATIC this year. More than just preseason confidence and hope. Something BIG is a Brewin’ in Napa. I can’t wait to see the product.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Has McGee even practiced at all this year? If he doesn’t get on the field soon it might be back to the practice squad for him.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
SloBeast
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
DJ…I hope not….he is a big play machine
I think he will break out even more next season because we got actual poss WRtypes on roster plus a healthy Dmac
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Seymour is already breaking down before week 1
August 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Raiders For Life Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Has McGee even practiced at all this year? If he doesn’t get on the field soon it might be back to the practice squad for him.
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Yes
August 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Kirk Morrison (2006-2009) at MLB was far better than anything we’ve seen from Rolando McClain up to this point.
Maybe this is the year #55 makes a big leap and starts to meet expectations, who knows?
That is what we all hope. Nobody wants to see a Top 10 draft pick remain in the toilet and become a salary cap burden
August 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am
I hope everyone can be as creative with the nicknames for him, when they view him positively.
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Sheriff McPain
August 6th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
SloBeast
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LMAO
Not feeling him yet huh? I get ya….he did look quicker and more natural on Friday…hope he makes it go down week 1 and on
August 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I’d rather have Rolando than Kirk…im sorry…guy was from Oakland too but he stunk
August 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Player after player is coming off as EXSTATIC this year. More than just preseason confidence and hope. Something BIG is a Brewin’ in Napa. I can’t wait to see the product.
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@79
I feel that vibe too. Like something big’ a-comin…
We’re going to watch on our TV sets and go, “who is this team that doesn’t make all the stupid mistakes?”
I expect fast, fierce, ballhawking and PAIN.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
252.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
DJ…I hope not….he is a big play machine
I think he will break out even more next season because we got actual poss WRtypes on roster plus a healthy Dmac
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I love posession receivers…even more than fast ones. Fast never seemed to translate for us since Cliff Branch.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Sun is out, pads are on, here we go.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Has McGee even practiced at all this year? If he doesn’t get on the field soon it might be back to the practice squad for him.
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Yes
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Heard he’s been letting some balls hit the ground.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Moore is that Ferrari that you put on the shelf till raceday. We don’t need him now. He’ll be ready when we do need him. Till then, it’s an excellent opportunity for Criner/Streater to put on a show for the Nation#
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Criner and Streater ballin…..they will be guys who get the tough catches over the middle for first downs
August 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am
McGee was doing cool at first but this past weekend he fell off i know of
August 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Seymour is already breaking down before week 1
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theres a reason he stays away during the offseason & does his own thing. going up against trees in his backyard doesn’t result in injury
BigSey doesnt practice during the reg season either.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I expect fast, fierce, ballhawking and PAIN.
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ROOOOAAAAAWWWRRRR…….
YEAH MAN ! ! !
Just reading that makes me wanna start pacing my office feverishly with my fists clenched. I’m gettin’ ready dude. It’s time to unleash HELL.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
252.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
DJ…I hope not….he is a big play machine
I think he will break out even more next season because we got actual poss WRtypes on roster plus a healthy Dmac
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I love posession receivers…even more than fast ones. Fast never seemed to translate for us since Cliff Branch.
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Harder to stop and cut when you too fast
Everything has its place
August 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am
We need a good mixture of possession and speedy receivers. No law says that possession receiver have to be slow or that speed receivers can’t catch the shorter sideline routes. I still believe in Al’s formula of keeping the defense honest and making them defend every inch sideline to sideline. You do that with great QB play and a bunch of good wideouts, and of course solid OL play. (very encouraged to hear Barnes is playing well)
August 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am
The first game is a week from today!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Not feeling him yet huh? I get ya….he did look quicker and more natural on Friday…hope he makes it go down week 1 and on
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@ B@uce,
I’m skeptical sure…but if he’s come around to DA’s favor in the new system, I’ll come around too.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I’ve been drinking the kool-aid pretty heavy since the 1st press conf. with Reggie, but hearing of these injuries was like a slap of “not so fast dude”.
Injuries totally derailed us last yr. The best player on the team and a bonafide MVP candidate (imo) DMAC goes down last yr. and who knows if Shonasty doesn’t get injured maybe we make those key stops we needed.
Then our QB goes down.
As much as I prefer Palmer over JC we had something cooking with JC.
Then, injuries to Ford and D.Moore happen that hurt us.
Just gotta accept that injuries are gonna happen. SOMEONE is gonna go down for the season. We know it. It’s just the way it is.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
There’s no practice today right?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
@271,
That’s a reality that definately hurts.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
There’s no practice today right?
Its going on as we speak/type!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
The first game is a week from today!
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I wanted to be there too..dam
I’ll be in San Ho on the week of the 20th, but fly back to Florida on the 24th. So I’ll miss the game the next day too. Just my luck!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Houston & Seymour on our D-line has us playing 9 on 11
August 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Ball rattles around against Criner’s chest. Not a great sequence for the rookie.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Criner lets punt bounce on ball he should have caught.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Juron Criner just muffed another punt. Too many of those so far
August 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Im hoping that we cut Ivey to make room for Plaxico or Benson.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Gannon got hurt running up the middle without sliding. JC got hurt running up the middle without sliding. I think maybe we should tell Palmer to slide if he runs up the middle.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Raidertay Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Im hoping that we cut Ivey to make room for Plaxico or Benson.
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We had room for another player prior to the cut.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
I can’t wait til August 25th because we get to see possibly a whole half of the starters…to see where we guage from there! I’ve been drinking the kool-aid as well! Just hope I don’t get donkey kicked witha cheese on my head! But, I’m sure it won’t!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
This years D Hagan?
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Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Criner and Streater ballin…..they will be guys who get the tough catches over the middle for first downs
August 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
259.guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Player after player is coming off as EXSTATIC this year. More than just preseason confidence and hope. Something BIG is a Brewin’ in Napa. I can’t wait to see the product.
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@79
I feel that vibe too. Like something big’ a-comin…
We’re going to watch on our TV sets and go, “who is this team that doesn’t make all the stupid mistakes?”
I expect fast, fierce, ballhawking and PAIN.
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Remember the Minn. game when we had ‘em 3 and out? I think it was Harvin caught a pass and was tackled well short of the first, and then inexplicably Curry and another guy just jumped on him well after the whistle…for no good reason?
It’s stuff like that that drives me freaking nuts.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
rough day for Criner?
meh. he’s a rookie, it’s to be expected.
I’m sure we’ll have a few overreactors though, like the guys who want to cut our #1 WR every time he drops a ball
newsflash: even the best WR’s in the league drop a few easy ones from time 2 time
August 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Houston & Seymour on our D-line has us playing 9 on 11
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Houston out of position…he needs to be at UT…Kelly needs to go
Wait Mista we disagree on Kelly? Thought we were same person
August 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Someone should go to Cincinatti, find Hue Jack, show hima pic of Hagan, ask him if he remembers who this is, and then dirty his nails!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Veldheer held Shonasty in check, according to Cork
August 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
rough day for Criner?
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Just a punt return session.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
lol Hwnrdr
The only prob is that Hue has the water buckets right at his feet to wash them pretty nails of his!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Juron Criner loses a shoe, hangs on to the ball. Nice catch.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
I like Kelly ok he dont piss me off or impress. If we have a better option I’m all for it but we don’t.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Criner is fine….not even worried about the drops…he showed out in front ofthe crowd this weekend….seems like a guy who performs better when alot of ppl are around…hell that is what you get paid right?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Raiders For Life Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Juron Criner loses a shoe, hangs on to the ball. Nice catch.
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Exactly!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I’m glad that they are looking at others for backup punt return guys. I think it was nuts to ever consider putting DMo17 in that position. We need him too dearly to risk him on punts.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:46 am
guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
lol Hwnrdr
The only prob is that Hue has the water buckets right at his feet to wash them pretty nails of his!
Ok, then as he bends down to clean it, make like ring king….Uppercut, Body Blow….put him away! LOL
August 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Someone should go to Cincinatti, find Hue Jack, show hima pic of Hagan, ask him if he remembers who this is, and then dirty his nails!
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Pissed off entire locker room….but it was maybe for the best…we needed Hue out and we officially moved on to new era
August 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Thanks Hwnrdr……I’m on it.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Didn’t some folks in here defend Huebert’s move to cut Hagan and sign HoushAllWashedUp? Beginning of the end for Huey.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Ron Bartell breaks up play for Heyeard-Bey. Bartell fresh from knee injury, can’t participate in full-contact drills.
Sounds like Bartell is out there.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Someone should go to Cincinatti, find Hue Jack, show hima pic of Hagan, ask him if he remembers who this is, and then dirty his nails!
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Pissed off entire locker room….but it was maybe for the best…we needed Hue out and we officially moved on to new era
TRUE!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I’m glad that they are looking at others for backup punt return guys. I think it was nuts to ever consider putting DMo17 in that position. We need him too dearly to risk him on punts.
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Just put McCain at punt return and call it a day…no ford, jones or moore there
August 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Ron Bartell breaks up play for Heyward-Bey
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Bartell can cover Larry Fitz and King Darrius !?!?
why is everybody worried about the secondary again ??
August 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Didn’t some folks in here defend Huebert’s move to cut Hagan and sign HoushAllWashedUp? Beginning of the end for Huey.
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Yeah and I caught it from blog….he is just a 6th WR and schit….yeah right sure….TJ did what? Caught same amount of passes as Hagan
August 6th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I hated Al’s moves of exposing Sterling Moore after he proved himself a playmaker last season in TC. I hated seeing Hagan go and I especially hated bringing washed up whosyamomma in especially after he talked smack up about the Raiders the season before that and signed with B’more. I said F that clown! don’t ever want him in S&B!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Bartell is our LCB and Van Dyke is the RCB…Chekwa Nickel and Lee Dime….Spencer working for Enterprise Car Rental
August 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Pryor with back-to-back nice throws in 7-on-7 drill. Bouncing back from rough showing Sunday
August 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am
lol Method.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Just put McCain at punt return and call it a day…no ford, jones or moore there
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I like it. What’s to lose?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
I like Kelly ok he dont piss me off or impress. If we have a better option I’m all for it but we don’t.
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Well if he does neither than he is still useless lol…the better option is to cut him and play houston who has no biz outside
August 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am
287.The Big Banana Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Veldheer held Shonasty in check, according to Cork
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Veldheer held Jared Allen in check too last yr. Guy had 22 sacks for the season but couldn’t get to our guy.
I can’t remember…was JC with us at Minn. or was it Carson?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I mean McCann….he happy he not out of NFL….he will play hard plus be a backup at CB in case of injury
August 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Pryor with back-to-back nice throws in 7-on-7 drill. Bouncing back from rough showing Sunday
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great news! keep it up TP!
August 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Carson was QB in minny….JC was done during Clev game week 6
August 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I sure as hell not cutting anybody and replace with Houston, sorry.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am
lol Method.
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Sup Mike what they talkin bout out that way of the country?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I sure as hell not cutting anybody and replace with Houston, sorry.
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I think Houston’s skill set is better suited inside….afterall when teams run to his direction they dont bust us up the last two years…something to think about…yeah i know UT and LDE are different but I just dont see Kelly go hard vs the run
August 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Ron Bartell breaks up play for Heyward-Bey
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I thought Bartell couldn’t do anything till Wednesday?
August 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I thought Bartell couldn’t do anything till Wednesday?
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Just no full contact.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
313.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Carson was QB in minny….JC was done during Clev game week 6
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Thx. I couldn’t remember.
Another one of those games we should have won by 20 or so pts. but had to sweat out at the end.
August 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Assuming Bartell & Van Dyke hold up physically and continue to impress with their cover skills, they will start.
So Spencer is fighting for a roster spot with these kids …
Conroy Black
Chimdi Chekwa
Terrail Lambert
Pat Lee
Bryan McCann
Chaz Powell
if Spencer is a Top 4 CB, he will stick imo. Right now I dont see anybody here better than him, outside of MAYBE Chekwa. Your 5th & 6th CB’s have to be able to contribute on special teams, so if he’s not Top 4 – he’s out!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I thought Bartell couldn’t do anything till Wednesday?
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He’s participating in everything except hitting and full contact. He’s in helmet and shell. going through drills and 7 on 7. Just no full team scrimmage situations.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Bartell in full-team drill, but he isn’t in pads
August 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
So move Kelly so Houston can take his spot?
You’re telling us Houston would be against the run than Kelly?
Or you think it might be the same but Houston would be a better pass rusher?
I agree Houston should be at DT, but he’s a backup on my depth chart.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
316.
You may be onto something right there. Houston does well holding the LOS, but can’t seem to use his leverage to get the angle to the QB for the sack. Maybe try him at UT, he’s got the size for it. But I question his motor and consistency. Till he can prove it, he needs to be rotational player who brings the fire every play.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
LOL, Dave Tolefson tells Steve to get off the phone…
August 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Michael Huff breaks up deep pass for Rod Streater, Matt Giordano makes diving catch of ball on sideline. Official signals interception.
Gio can fkn catch
August 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
So move Kelly so Houston can take his spot?
You’re telling us Houston would be against the run than Kelly?
Or you think it might be the same but Houston would be a better pass rusher?
I agree Houston should be at DT, but he’s a backup on my depth chart.
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Im telling Kelly super sucks vs the run and that Houston would do the same pass rush wise but give better run support
Kelly needs to go
August 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
I think everyone can agree that Bartell, Spencer, DVD & Chekwa are our Top 4 CB’s …
so the 5th & 6th CB’s will be a battle between
Conroy Black
Terrail Lambert
Pat Lee
Bryan McCann
Chaz Powell
May the best 2 special teamers win !!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Des Bryant is a better player than Houston and should be our starting LDE.
Hopefully Hamilton and Bilukadi can make the team at DT so Bryant can kick outside.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Rolando McClain all over Brandon Myers on short pass
If these tweets are bugging you guys, let me know
August 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I agree that Houston would be better against the run than Kelly. But Kelly is way better at maneuvering around his man to the QB.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Giordano has the best hands in our secondary ??
DAV will not be pleased !!!!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
super sucks????
LOL.
I guess you are using your anyone would be better than Kelly logic by saying Houston would be better at DT against the run, eh?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I think everyone can agree that Bartell, Spencer, DVD & Chekwa are our Top 4 CB’s …
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nu-huh, no
I never head nodded anything about Spencer being top 4 anything. What has he done in camp or OTA’s? He’s a scrub who shouldn’t make the team.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
If these tweets are bugging you guys, let me know
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@RFL
not at all, much appreciated.
Thec might be out of a job!!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@G123
Who would you say our Top 4 CB’s are, then?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Criner makes an over the head catch on a corner route!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Ron Bartell Injury A Huge Blow To Rams
Cold, Hard Football Facts for September 14, 2011
By Patrick Imig
Cold, Hard Football Facts Rams beat man
“Bartell’s injury might not resonate with the general public of football fans, but his value to the Rams defense is close to immeasurable. As pointed out by Bernie Miklasz at STL Today, Bartell was targeted with pass attempts 100 times in 2011 and quarterbacks completed just 45% of their passes. Bartell isn’t as well known as other corners in the league, but he has been a consistent staple to the Rams defense, which made great strides last season. Under Spagnuolo, the Rams defense was 32nd in our Defensive Hog Index in 2009 and jumped up to 7th in 2010. Bartell was a major factor, helping the Rams rank 9th in Defensive Passer Rating and 11th in Bendability.This is a legitimately good defense that Bartell helped solidify.”
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I posted this in response to a couple guys who were doubting Reggie’s reasoning behind bringing this guy on.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Who would you say our Top 4 CB’s are, then?
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Let’s just say there is a tier of 3, Bartell, DVD, Chekwa…
I’ll expect to see some good play from Black and Lee, but Spencer is one I don’t think will pan out. DB depth is an issue.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8239546/new-york-jets-players-brawl-fans-team-practice
Imagine how media would be if this was in Napa
August 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Let’s just say there is a tier of 3, Bartell, DVD, Chekwa…
I’ll expect to see some good play from Black and Lee
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Interesting!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
By Tribune staff
Tribune staff The Tribune
A first-year Cal Poly football assistant coach best known for an alleged altercation with former Oakland Raiders head coach Tom Cable was arrested for his alleged role in a fight at a Pismo Beach bar early Saturday.
Randy Hanson, 44, was arrested at 1:23 a.m. on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon and booked into County Jail after allegedly attacking a man with a beer bottle at Harry’s Nightclub & Beach Bar, according to Pismo Beach police Sgt. Tom Portz.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Matt Flynn is going to be this years Kevin Kolb
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Disagree. Think Flynn can be pretty good. I liked his effort in the game against the Pats that GB lost during their SB season and thought he might have skills. The game last year where he threw for 500 yards reinforced that belief.
Kolb is a knob, warned against trading for him.
If Flynn can play decently and stabilize the offense, Seattle can surprise in the NFC West. Their defense is no joke.
Arizona ate a sht sandwich trading for the Knob, they’re much better off going with Skeleton anyway.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
If these tweets are bugging you guys, let me know
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Yes. It’s getting in the way of the chicken recipes I was gonna post.
Kidding…i think we all love the tweets.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I agree that Houston would be better against the run than Kelly. But Kelly is way better at maneuvering around his man to the QB.
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I dunno bout that
August 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Raiderdavenv Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
By Tribune staff
Tribune staff The Tribune
A first-year Cal Poly football assistant coach best known for an alleged altercation with former Oakland Raiders head coach Tom Cable was arrested for his alleged role in a fight at a Pismo Beach bar early Saturday.
Randy Hanson, 44, was arrested at 1:23 a.m. on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon and booked into County Jail after allegedly attacking a man with a beer bottle at Harry’s Nightclub & Beach Bar, according to Pismo Beach police Sgt. Tom Portz.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
August 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Per KK & Peymour Bush, it’s not the DT’s job to stop the run so moving Houston into Kelly’s spot is useless. However I dont have KK’s football “acumen” or lack thereof.
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Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
I think Houston’s skill set is better suited inside….afterall when teams run to his direction they dont bust us up the last two years…something to think about…yeah i know UT and LDE are different but I just dont see Kelly go hard vs the run
August 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Palmer has quite a surrounding cast. Try sacking him now.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Look here J….i been saying Houston is a UT….dont act brand newie
August 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Randy Hanson, 44, was arrested at 1:23 a.m. on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon and booked into County Jail after allegedly attacking a man with a beer bottle at Harry’s Nightclub & Beach Bar, according to Pismo Beach police Sgt. Tom Portz.
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LOL!!
Poor Tom
August 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Exoneration for Cable.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
As if on cue, Chaz Powell strips receiver and returns ball for touchdown.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
TE Richard Gordon pancaked S Tyvon Branch yesterday and just separated DE Jack Crawford from his helmet. The man can block.
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This dude is a BEAST!
Talk of him being cut is absurd.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Per KK & Peymour Bush, it’s not the DT’s job to stop the run so moving Houston into Kelly’s spot is useless. However I dont have KK’s football “acumen” or lack thereof.
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Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
I think Houston’s skill set is better suited inside….afterall when teams run to his direction they dont bust us up the last two years…something to think about…yeah i know UT and LDE are different but I just dont see Kelly go hard vs the run
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Yea DTs job is to provide pass rush due QBs like Rodgers,Eli and Peyton,Brady,Rivers and Big Ben….ya know because our DTs have been so successful stopping those QBs from passing
August 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
TE Richard Gordon pancaked S Tyvon Branch yesterday and just separated DE Jack Crawford from his helmet. The man can block.
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wow!!
glad he’s back on the field & healthy
August 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Hamilton twice ends up on his knees with Bergstrom blocking him.
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Don’t see how he doesn’t unseat, eh hmmmm, Savage.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
TE Richard Gordon pancaked S Tyvon Branch yesterday and just separated DE Jack Crawford from his helmet. The man can block.
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This dude is a BEAST!
Talk of him being cut is absurd.
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So Humphrey to PS…Gordon can block…but thats bout it
Oh yeah he can play FB as you guys all thoughtlast year lol
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
340.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8239546/new-york-jets-players-brawl-fans-team-practice
Imagine how media would be if this was in Napa
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Media LOVES THIS.
Now they have another excuse to cover all things Jets.
After all it’s “a story”.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Criner makes an over the head catch on a corner route!
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What seemed to be a rough day for the rookie has now turned into GOT DAYUUUUUUUMMMMMMM
LOL your possession WR my friends
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
349.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Look here J….i been saying Houston is a UT….dont act brand newie
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Also, had the fastest 40 of DT’s at the combine…
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Hamilton twice ends up on his knees with Bergstrom blocking him.
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Don’t see how he doesn’t unseat, eh hmmmm, Savage.
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We’re praying for it man
August 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Tight end Brandon Myers quietly putting together a solid camp.
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TE position is SOLID!!!!
Write that down.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
TE position is SOLID!!!!
Write that down.
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with an etch-a-sketch!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
349.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Look here J….i been saying Houston is a UT….dont act brand newie
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Also, had the fastest 40 of DT’s at the combine…
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LOL….i like his skill set at 6′3 305 to play UT…he plays with great strength
August 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Think we see more big Nickel packages this year? Huff, Branch, Gio and Mitchell?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Look here J….i been saying Houston is a UT….dont act brand newie
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I agree.
Just haven’t seen anything that says he should be starting over Kelly. Backup UT is the perfect position for him at this point.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
August 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
349.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Look here J….i been saying Houston is a UT….dont act brand newie
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Also, had the fastest 40 of DT’s at the combine…
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LOL….i like his skill set at 6′3 305 to play UT…he plays with great strength
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Houston over Bryant at UT? Heard Bryant is one of the strongest on the team. Not sure if he is smart enough (kidding).
August 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
I seem to think so…but Ausberry aint far behind….can we ever run double TE? I think so with these two
August 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Humphrey to PS
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@ ROG
he’s not eligible. Efaw is the likely candidate, if we place a young TE on the practice squad
or perhaps Reggie will pluck a TE off the waiver wire at 1st or 2nd cuts and place him on the p-squad instead?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
August 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
349.Method To My Madness Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Look here J….i been saying Houston is a UT….dont act brand newie
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Also, had the fastest 40 of DT’s at the combine…
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LOL….i like his skill set at 6′3 305 to play UT…he plays with great strength
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Houston over Bryant at UT? Heard Bryant is one of the strongest on the team. Not sure if he is smart enough (kidding).
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They say dude is strong but seen him play the run? Starting UT no way…but a situational pass rusher oh yes
August 6th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Yeah Jhill….Houston is a better run defender in the middle at UT and can do the same 7 sack crap kelly does….you doubt it? Why can you for a starting DE that is out of position?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Humphrey to PS
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@ ROG
he’s not eligible. Efaw is the likely candidate, if we place a young TE on the practice squad
or perhaps Reggie will pluck a TE off the waiver wire at 1st or 2nd cuts and place him on the p-squad instead?
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Well then Humphrey I guess gets sliced
August 6th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Paul Gutierrez says Shaughnessy tweaks ankle
August 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Looked to me like Houston was gassed out there a lot last year. Whether or not he’s inside or outside, I don’t trust his motor. He looks like he’d be a very good rotational guy to plug in along different spots on the line. I’d not assume playing him inside would get him to 7 sacks though.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Paul Gutierrez says Shaughnessy tweaks ankle
(#^!@#f&*$@^!)
August 6th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Spencer is having a good day.
Bartell looking crisp in non contact drills.
Pat Lee and/or Underwood will make them team.
Marley has his eye on one of the youngsters.
Corner position will be solid!
Bartell
DVD
Huff at Rover
Gio or Mitchell in at S.
Which corner cracks this nickel lineup and keeps Huff at S?
Spencer?
Chekwa?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@G123
Jeremy Shockey & Bo Scaife are the only “big name” TE’s left in free agency.
Unless you want to go after scrubs like Gijon Robinson & Brian Linthicum ….
August 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@RRS,
No thanks to the scraps in the TE cupboard. I think that ship has sailed now.
…unless a big name TE is sliced before the season and we can pick him up, or a trade is brewing.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Cork hasn’t tweeted in awhile, guess Tollefson finally took his phone from him.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Looked to me like Houston was gassed out there a lot last year. Whether or not he’s inside or outside, I don’t trust his motor. He looks like he’d be a very good rotational guy to plug in along different spots on the line. I’d not assume playing him inside would get him to 7 sacks though.
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He had 5 sacks as a rookie from DE lol and he lacks DE speed on the edge …..Him consistently working against lesser athletic OL inside with that uncanny strength? Yeah I say he can surely get that
August 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Which corner cracks this nickel lineup and keeps Huff at S?
Spencer?
Chekwa?
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good question, Jhill.
I dont want Huff at nickel corner either!
August 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Coach Dennis Allen says he is “very pleased” with play of right OT Khalif Barnes. Hard to argue with that assessment so far.
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Looks like all the targets of various haters are performing well.
Pryor might be the only exception, but I might personally have the bar too high for him.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Practice is over
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Raiders For Life Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Cork hasn’t tweeted in awhile, guess Tollefson finally took his phone from him.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Spencer sucks Jhill
August 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Coach Dennis Allen says he is “very pleased” with play of right OT Khalif Barnes. Hard to argue with that assessment so far.
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Looks like all the targets of various haters are performing well.
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I saw Friday Barnes looking like he is playing for his career
August 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Anyone know if Gordon actually has stones for hands ?
Can’t remember what game it was last year, but Gordon was in early (which was surprising) and JC attempts a pass to him near the right sideline that’s overthrown.
Gordon lays out and makes a hell of an effort at the catch. Incomplete, but still caught my eye.
Was it DVD that was saying Gordon was uncoverable at Miami practices ?
Myers is decent, but looks a little slow footed to me. Ausberry could be an adequate recieving threat, but does he have the bulk to play up front ?
If Gordon doesn’t have Dudley hands, he might emerge as the starter.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Thanks Lefty,
Does practice resume later or is that it for the day?
August 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am
He had 5 sacks as a rookie from DE lol and he lacks DE speed on the edge …..Him consistently working against lesser athletic OL inside with that uncanny strength? Yeah I say he can surely get that
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And he fell off to one sack his sophomore year. Guess he maybe wasn’t eating his wheaties last year? Whatever mad scientist Tarver does to get his eye turning red, I’m good with. I think it’s in the motivation.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am
He had 5 sacks as a rookie from DE lol and he lacks DE speed on the edge …..Him consistently working against lesser athletic OL inside with that uncanny strength? Yeah I say he can surely get that
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And he fell off to one sack his sophomore year. Guess he maybe wasn’t eating his wheaties last year? Whatever mad scientist Tarver does to get his eye turning red, I’m good with. I think it’s in the motivation.
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He outta position and OCs I bet noticed that too like I have…easy adjustment for them
August 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Go to the Raiders site and read what the HC says about our TEs.Myers is the starter and will probably remain so.Has been impressive and a pleasant surprise.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I dont need to see the stats…Gorodn didnt catch alot incollege…sure thats for a reason
August 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Lefty12 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Go to the Raiders site and read what the HC says about our TEs.Myers is the starter and will probably remain so.Has been impressive and a pleasant surprise.
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Yeah he will start vs sd week 1
August 6th, 2012 at 11:53 am
I thought Meyers played well last year.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Right there with you, 99.
Thought I was the ONLY Gordan fan out here.
August 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I like Myers too!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Myers is a decent backup TE, but not starting quality. Good special teamer too. I like Myers too!
But NOT AS MY STARTER!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Time Warner just bought Bleacher Report. If they are as successful with this purchase as with their others, it is the “Kiss of Death.” CNN, AOL etc.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
So within 24 hours, we have Seymour, Taiwan and Shonasty all hurt. I really like these guy’s skills, but when is enough, enough?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
How Myers not starting quality?
What exactly are you looking for in a “starting” TE?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Myers is a decent backup TE, but not starting quality. Good special teamer too. I like Myers too!
But NOT AS MY STARTER!
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Well Shockey aint coming yet so he will just be the guy
August 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
What exactly are you looking for in a “starting” TE?
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something more than 1 catch per game would be a good start. how about being able to catch the ball and turn upfield for yardage? How about being able to jump more than 6 inches off the ground? How about being even an average blocker?
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If you were to rank the TE’s on all NFL rosters, where would Myers rank amongst them all? He’s not as good as many teams #2 TE’s imo.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
So within 24 hours, we have Seymour, Taiwan and Shonasty all hurt. I really like these guy’s skills, but when is enough, enough?
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The biggest worry there being Nasty…We REALLY need that guy this year. Ankles can Really hinder you. Hopefully it ain’t bad.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
So g123….who do you suggest? Ausberry or Gordon wont beat him out…Id love shockey but i doubt he is here
August 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Wouldn’t read too much into Gordon not putting up big numbers at The U.
Besides, wasn’t he sidelined almost the entire year with a shoulder injury ?
I don’t know what kind of hands he has. Supposedly, they’re not good. But what evidence do we have of that ?
Every report seems to indicate Gordo is a blocking BEAST.
If DVD wasn’t just talking up his homie, and Gordon is half as athletic as DVD claims, Al might have found another late round gem.
Seems to me the Raid scouts went over the Miami U roster with a fine toothed comb 2 years ago.
Did their homework with Penn State last year.
Might have come up with some surprises.
I’m hoping.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Time Warner just bought Bleacher Report. If they are as successful with this purchase as with their others, it is the “Kiss of Death.” CNN, AOL etc.////////////////////////////////Couldn’t be any worse. Bleacher Report went thru some kind of shake up a couple years ago and the few decent contributors they had bailed en masse. A couple are at Raider Nation Times.
Can’t be bothered with them anymore, whatsoever.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I just logged into a fantasy website that ranked the TE’s. They have Myers unranked, Ausberry is 79th ranked, Gordan also unranked. They have street free agents like Shockey higher than all of them!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@G123
Myers is an AVERAGE pass catcher & blocker.
he’s not all that athletic, no. he’s not converted from WR like Ausberry. he’s not a mean SOB & nasty blocker like Rick Gordon, either. he’s adequate.
He’s only started 12 games the past 3 seasons. Heading into YR4 i’m sure he’s capable of improvement, just like Heyward-Bey, Mitchell & ShoNasty from the 2009 draft class!!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Belcher Report is garbage! They still make you toggle thru their dopey slideshow and everything is a sound bite. They suck and the site is spam and unsafe.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
So within 24 hours, we have Seymour, Taiwan and Shonasty all hurt. I really like these guy’s skills, but when is enough, enough?
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The biggest worry there being Nasty…We REALLY need that guy this year. Ankles can Really hinder you. Hopefully it ain’t bad.
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Yeah no kidding man, injuries are part of the game, but every friggin year gets old. He is needed this year, so hopefully he just turned it and nothing more.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Levi Damien @LeviDamien
Pryor Signing Ohio State jersey fan brought./////////////////////////That’s kinda funny.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Myers is an AVERAGE pass catcher & blocker.
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You are in a GOOD MOOD today. I think he’s an AVG pass catcher, below avg blocker, and no athletisism, (even for a white guy he’s bad)
August 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
basically the fantasy football people have all Raider TE’s worthless and undraftable. And we are all supposed to feel good about that void in our offense, that it will just work itself out?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Dakota wished there was a way to filter Bleacher Report from search. Here it is. https://www.google.com/search?q=oakland+raiders+-Bleacher&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&biw=1024&bih=626&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:d&sa=X&ei=LyEKULrnJ4WnrQGt06XJCg&ved=0CCEQpwUoAg
August 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
That one is for previous 24 hours. Adjust as needed.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Then bookmark it.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Myers looks a little slow footed to me.
Adequate blocker, average hands.
Doesn’t project to be any sort of downfield threat or YAC guy.
Solid special teamer.
There’s probably a spot for him, but I’m not excited about the prospects of him starting or being a guy opposing defenses have to be too concerned about.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I dont understand how you guys can say “I trust Reggie” and predict a playoff season for us … then complain about our TE’s & CB’s !!
do you trust Reggie & Dennis or don’t you?
We have money to spend. Obviously the staff feels we’re ok at both position groups. If somebody gets injured, i’m sure we’ll add a player or two
August 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@RM99
Myers is a chain mover. I don’t care if he catches the ball 2 yards beyond the marker and immediately gets brought down. TE isn’t always a glamourous position to play. Just because your TE isn’t ranked very high on fantasy charts doesn’t mean he sucks. Just means they dont project him getting many yards & TD’s.
Guess what? I dont either!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Our DB’s are starter quality deep. Our TE’s aren’t even starter quality deep. So, no I don’t blindly trust every move of Reggie and Dennis.
However, I think there is a “Method to the Madness” so to speak and Reggie has a plan and this is just YEAR ONE. Till then, he’s playing this by the seat of his pants.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
How many chains did Myers move last year?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Just because your TE isn’t ranked very high on fantasy charts doesn’t mean he sucks. Just means they dont project him getting many yards & TD’s.
Guess what? I dont either!
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So this is a good thing? yes/no? I’m confused
August 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
How many chains did Myers move last year?
LOL< he was 5 seconds from earning a TD on a fake!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I can’t remember the last time we’ve ever had a non-stud TE on the team. Can anyone help me with that? It seems that you can go for decades and field rosters of stud Raider TE’s. It’s like tradition.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
TE is a QB’s best friend & safety valve.
Zach Miller was always rated pretty high by fantasy gurus, right?
Raider fans know that Miller got so many catches because #1 our QB’s were trash and either couldn’t survey the entire field or couldn’t make all the throws and/or #2 our WR’s were downright awful, making the TE the go-to guy
Carson Palmer is the QB now and if our WR’s stay healthy, TE will be more of a last resort than a go-to guy. Carson Bomber likes to throw it over peoples head. He’s not a dink & dunker like Gannon was
August 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I can’t remember the last time we’ve ever had a non-stud TE on the team. Can anyone help me with that? It seems that you can go for decades and field rosters of stud Raider TE’s. It’s like tradition.
Good Point!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
424. Sure I agree about Carson and his big arm.
But why have an obvious hole at the TE spot? Why not have a real threat that draws safties and occupies LB’s, while opening up the field for the wideouts? I see the negligence of the importance of starting an established vet TE as a weak link in the offense that defenses can use against us to cheat and shrink the field in their favor.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
do you trust Reggie & Dennis or don’t you?
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Egggs zachaly!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I can’t remember the last time we’ve ever had a non-stud TE on the team. Can anyone help me with that? It seems that you can go for decades and field rosters of stud Raider TE’s. It’s like tradition.
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@G123
Al Davis valued TE’s. Maybe BigMac doesn’t?
in any event, JFB predicted that Reggie would cut Boss and replace him with some nobody. You shouldn’t act so surprised
August 6th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
425.hwnrdr Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I can’t remember the last time we’ve ever had a non-stud TE on the team. Can anyone help me with that? It seems that you can go for decades and field rosters of stud Raider TE’s. It’s like tradition.
Good Point!
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Could Reece fill the void or safety blanket?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Carson Palmer is the QB now and if our WR’s stay healthy, TE will be more of a last resort than a go-to guy.
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Keep feeding RRS, he’s in the zone!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I can’t remember the last time we’ve ever had a non-stud TE on the team. Can anyone help me with that? It seems that you can go for decades and field rosters of stud Raider TE’s. It’s like tradition
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I had high hopes for Dudley. But you know how that went.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@G123
Myers is not a liability, he’s just not a playmaker
I dont care if he only catches 2 balls per game… as opposed to the Gates/Gonzalez guys around the league
August 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Coach Dennis Allen says he is “very pleased” with play of right OT Khalif Barnes. Hard to argue with that assessment so far.
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Looks like all the targets of various haters are performing well.
Pryor might be the only exception, but I might personally have the bar too high for him.
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Wrong…Looking at the tweets right know says he had a good day today…Put that schit back in the bottle son.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Defenses are going to be focused on DMac, the QB, and the WRs. Myers and Gordon don’t need to be Gates-like to beat no one. They will be wide open.
Myers is a MUCH better blocker than Miller EVER was, and Gordon is all world as far as blocking TEs go.
Not concerned at all.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
“I can’t remember the last time we’ve ever had a non-stud TE on the team. Can anyone help me with that? It seems that you can go for decades and field rosters of stud Raider TE’s. It’s like tradition”
OK who was our STUD TE last year?
…..Meyers that’s who.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
@Thec
Pryor is just like every other youngster on the roster. He struggles with consistency. He’ll learn in time
August 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Hope Wizrad of Auz over takes Oscar Myers….
Oscar is hela slow, no swivel, and gets closed on very fast. Will have next to zero YAC.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
@Thec
Pryor is just like every other youngster on the roster. He struggles with consistency. He’ll learn in time
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Truth…
August 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
NE doesn’t have any WRs. That’s why they feature a Hernandez Gronkowski type attack.
Personally, I don’t want the TE to be one of our top recievers. McFadden or Goodson need to be the checkdown. Keep Gordon in to block!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Myers has outlasted Miller.He outlasted Boss.Both were supposedly high value,stud TEs.Myers makes the plays he is called upon to make and blocks better than many give him credit for.Maybe what the coaches see in practices means more to them what a bunch of bloggers believe.BTW,before Miller just who was that stud TE we had?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Defenses are going to be focused on DMac, the QB, and the WRs. Myers and Gordon don’t need to be Gates-like to beat no one. They will be wide open.
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Reece, too!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
NE doesn’t have any WRs. That’s why they feature a Hernandez Gronkowski type attack.
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@Jhill
Welker & Branch ??
August 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Defenses are going to be focused on DMac, the QB, and the WRs. Myers and Gordon don’t need to be Gates-like to beat no one. They will be wide open.
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Yeah Myers will be open make the catch, and thats it.
He will get kocked dead in his tracks.
Zero yacability…
August 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I know Meyers is not Mark Bavaro he is not going to run fast but he has great blocking skills and that’s why I like him.
With so much speed at the WR position and a great FB like Reece coming out of the back field there are not many touches left in a game to force feed the TE a bunch of passes.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
before Miller just who was that stud TE we had?
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@Lefty
I’m gonna makes 3 guesses.
Doug Jolley, Teyo Johnson or Courtney Anderson
Right?
August 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
so based on that comment the TE will be a blocker only? He will not get many touvhes???? No one can dtermine that right now, as the whole O will be predicated on what the D gives us.
If the TE is wide open, during a game, we need to exploit it.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Why are you guys evaluating the TE position like they are WRs?
TEs play on the LOS!!!!!!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Rickey Dudley?LOL
August 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
before Miller just who was that stud TE we had?
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@Lefty
I’m gonna makes 3 guesses.
Doug Jolley, Teyo Johnson or Courtney Anderson
Right?
Meh, huh,and yuck!
August 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Welker & Branch ??
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Who?????
August 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Oscar is hela slow, no swivel, and gets closed on very fast. Will have next to zero YAC.
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hella truth..
August 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
NE doesn’t have any WRs.
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They just signed Brandon Lloyd. That guy can ball. Pats are stacked.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Myers may not be fast,but he seems to catch everything he gets his hands on.That is more important than having this great athletic TE who drops as many as he catches.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
If the TE is wide open, during a game, we need to exploit it.
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Catching the ball for a 1st down, and executing his blocks works well for me. Not realling looking for YAC outta the TE position THIS year.
If our other skill positions were not so overwhelmingly stacked, I could roll with you. I’m looking for the TE to block 90% of the time with THIS roster. Which is why Gordon or Myers starts for me.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
2010 [the Packers Super Bowl season] they had all 3 TE’s combine for 53 catches
that was with Rodgers at QB.
the Raiders 3 TE’s last year had 46, not a huge difference (with JCamp and Palmer)
August 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
If the TE is wide open, during a game, we need to exploit it.
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I agree, but if he’s too slow footed to not require tight coverage and the safety can roam the sidelines, that puts a lot of pressure on exposing the tight seams the TE’s have. They have to step up and produce when called upon. The starters as a group have 19 total catches from last year. We need more production per game than that! Someone has to step up. I don’t agree that we can ignore the TE position and treat them only as extra linemen. Do that and watch how the defense collapses around the wideouts.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
What is GK, and AS plan for the TE in the WCO?
The better TE’s all can run, and have great yacability.
Frustrating that when he catches the ball, anyone else would be long gone. He gets closed on in a hurry.
Oscar Myers will NEVER be top tier. He is a blocker, with decent hands.
Unless the Wizard of Auz emerges, we will be MASK, SMOKE, and MIRROS at TE, just like our D.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Marley came in here the other day and did some analysis on the importance of stud TE’s. Basically with the exception of the Giants, all the big time offenses that went deep into the playoffs had one. It’s gotta be a part of the offense that the defense can’t ignore. You can’t give the D any inch they can feel comfortable exposing. You got to make them defend every SINGLE inch of green.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
457 yup
August 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Unless the Wizard of Auz emerges, we will be MASK, SMOKE, and MIRROS at TE, just like our D.
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More truth!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Catching the ball for a 1st down, and executing his blocks works well for me. Not realling looking for YAC outta the TE position THIS year.
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Yep, Myers had 8 1st downs last season backing up Boss. “Just move the chains baby” let the WR’s have all the glory.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
He is a blocker, with decent hands.
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Just what this offense needs!
Don’t need the stellar pass catching TE who can’t block.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
if a guy like Branch, can shut down a guy like Gronk, in a Chuck B defense with Rod Woodson as his position coach … Gronkowski wasn’t an option in the passing game or he’s seriously overrated !!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Basically with the exception of the Giants
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How can you exclude the SB winners?????
LMFAO!
GB the year before that gave rats arsse about the TE position.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I like gordan as a blocking te though..
August 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Steelers TE?????
August 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Down low in the red zone, is where you will all wish we had a real TE. That’s why we got Boss, for his red zone ability, too bad his body and head are all oatmeal now. He’s KC’s problem. We need a TE to step up and be the big body down low where the field gets short. Stud WR’s in that part of the field don’t have the required space to make as many plays. Having a good TE at the goal line is a huge advantage and one we are neglecting Big Time!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Or Branch is underrated.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
what it do nation. since we are tlking TEs im on the ausberry bandwagon he can be our version of vernon davis.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Myers is not a liability, he’s just not a playmaker
I dont care if he only catches 2 balls per game… as opposed to the Gates/Gonzalez guys around the league
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Yeah, well I’d like to have a playmaker.
I’m not content with someone just not being a liability.
Having a TE that can make a play diversifies the offense.
Having a TE like Graham can really put unbelievable pressure on a defense.
Just when you think you got the WRs covered, here comes a beast running through your secondary for a TD or long gain.
You’re underestimating the importance of getting real production from the position as opposed to an occasional 2 yard gain for a first down.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I’d like to continue this TE talk, but my day is over. Till tommorow…
peace.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Catching the ball for a 1st down, and executing his blocks works well for me. Not realling looking for YAC outta the TE position THIS year.
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Yep, Myers had 8 1st downs last season backing up Boss. “Just move the chains baby” let the WR’s have all the glory.
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TE’s now a days are used for more than just the occasional play. Look around the league, the TE’s are guys that can flat out ball.
Teams that were in the tournament last year????
Atheletic, blocking, TE’s are trending up in this QB driven league.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Ltr Guest, Be safe
August 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
123-only in your mind are we ignoring the TE position.The coaches seem more than happy with Myers.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Was good East???
August 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
yacability…
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lol lol … word of the day !!!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Try to get past big V & gordan…
August 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I cant call it thec just checkin for a lil raider convo
August 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Just when you think you got the WRs covered, here comes a beast running through your secondary for a TD or long gain.
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After the catch of course…
August 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I said gordOn stupid phone….
August 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think ausberry should be the guy probably not the best blocker but can stretch the middle of the field and create mis mathches ala vernon davis who imo is the best TE in the league.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Let me try it this way….
What do you expect our starting TEs job to be MOST of the time he is on the field?
CLEARLY the answer to that is block.
If OUR TEs #1 job is to block, I just don’t understand why we are talking about yacabilty. The TE MIGHT get 3 or 4 passes per game in an optimum scenario. What about the other 70 plays he’s supposed to be blocking?
August 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think ausberry should be the guy probably not the best blocker but can stretch the middle of the field and create mis mathches ala vernon davis who imo is the best TE in the league.
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Totally on board.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think ausberry should be the guy probably not the best blocker but can stretch the middle of the field and create mis mathches ala vernon davis who imo is the best TE in the league.
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and before u jump down my throat tellin me about grankowski or grham just imagine if vernon davis played for the saints or patriots.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
How was burris today? Read da say he needs to get more consistant. But he did say romac & wheeler have looked very good..
August 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
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I guess we’ll have to wait and see how Knapp utilizes the TE’s. Good thing right now is the Raiders have some wiggle room with cap money, just in case.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Lol I wish auz was as good as vernon davis too..
August 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
It’s quite simple really.
When you’ve got a real threat at TE, Safeties aren’t as free to double or help against the Wides.
The name of the game is to have as many weapons as possible. Be as diversified as possible. Strike fear into their hearts.
Myers is adequate. We shouldn’t be satified with adequate.
We want dynamic.
Might not have that at TE this year, but it’s something we should be looking to in the future.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DA said yesterday he expects more from the back-up LB’s, Stupar and Goethel, haven’t heard any negative about Burris.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Vernon Davis is a beast.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
489. I dont have a link but I know it was a sac bee report..
August 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Vernon Davis can block!
And I would certainly take hime over Myers.
Is he available?
August 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Welker & Branch ??
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Who?????
NE doesn’t have any WRs. That’s why they feature a Hernandez Gronkowski type attack.
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Welker!! The guy who had 122 catches for 1600 yards last season. Dude had more catches than our entire WR group.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me, any rook like Burris is learning right now, rather than reacting right away.imo
August 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
vernon davis is a WR playing TE.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
When you’ve got a real threat at TE, Safeties aren’t as free to double or help against the Wides.
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Agreed.
I’d say our threats out of the backfield are going to take care of that.
Can’t imagine a defense doubling anyone. I suspect we will see a TON of zone.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
MBURRIS is going to have a short learning curve. He is a true LBer, once he becomes instictive, forgetaboutit.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
#Raiders tight end Brandon Myers on why tight ends were phased out last season: “You’ll have to ask someone in Cincinnati.” Hello, Hubert.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
sounds as if the Raids plan on using the TE more to generate positive yards.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Welker!! The guy who had 122 catches for 1600 yards last season.
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who??????
Oh, the guy who dropprf the pass that would have won his team the SB????
August 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Anyhow i am out…You guys enjoy the rest of the day.
stan routt is on presciption drugs, or something that makes him forget that only 1 NATION exist in sports.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Hue was very good in some areas, and head scratchingly dumb in others..
August 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Thec Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
vernon davis is a WR playing TE.
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and auz is what? A TE playing WR. Lets do it auz show us what u got.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
You People….. LOL
August 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on August 6, 2012, 4:13 PM EDT
The Denver Broncos’ interest in aging players hasn’t been confined to the offensive side of the ball.
Only two days after adding soon-to-be-30-year-old safety Jim Leonhard, the Broncos have acquired 36-year-old linebacker Keith Brooking, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
Brooking, a rookie in 1998 with the “Dirty Bird” Falcons who made it to the Super Bowl and lost to the Broncos, spent 11 years in Atlanta followed by three in Dallas. He hit the market in March and had drawn little or no interest.
Brooking hasn’t missed a regular season game since the 1999 season. Last year, however, he started only three games for the Cowboys.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
ltr thec.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Vernon Davis ?
Can’t have it ! Can’t win with him. Can’t do it !
Ask Mike Singletary.
Davis was on his way out of the league until MS pounded some sense into him.
VD is deadly. Not talking Syphillis either.
Probably the fastest TE the NFL has seen.
Think I’d take Jimmy Graham over him though.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
later Thec
August 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Reece should be our pass catching TE.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I saw that Robert Gallery retired a few days ago.
Frankly, he was more of a disappointment to me that any other draft pick we have ever had….even Jamarcus Russell. Jamarcus was all about potential, Gallery was supposed to be a rock solid LT for 12-15 years….one of the greatest needs of a team solidified for more than a decade guaranteed.
What a let down he turned into. I don’t really care that he turned into an average LG. That doesn’t relieve my disappointment in the least.
I really wanted Larry Fitzgerald, but according to reports, Al would have taken TX WR Williams over Fitzgerald anyhow, so that draft was doomed from the beginning.
I was happy that we got our supposed stud LT, so I wasn’t too upset that we passed on Larry, but damn, it sure hurts now.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Welker!! The guy who had 122 catches for 1600 yards last season.
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who??????
Oh, the guy who dropprf the pass that would have won his team the SB????
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Yeah that guy. The guy who has more catches than any other WR in the league since 2007 including A Johnson and Fitz. 4 PBs and 4 All pros. That guy!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Jhill,
Yeah you were right about Kolb. I wonder if Larry Fitz might ask for a trade after next year? To an extent it kind of reminds me of how Randy Moss’ talent was being wasted in Oakland…of course Larry will still play hard even if he has no QB to get him the ball, but you know what I mean.
Great WRs who have no QB is just a tragedy!
August 6th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Reece isnt a te.. Cant inline block.. it would key the defenses. He only creates mismatches as a fb. He’s gonna have a good yr.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Dakota Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I saw that Robert Gallery retired a few days ago.
Frankly, he was more of a disappointment to me that any other draft pick we have ever had….even Jamarcus Russell.
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Interesting perspective. Gallery played well at LG once he settled into the position, but certainly not to the status of overall number two. I actually wanted the QB out of Miami of Ohio in that draft. Little known guy named Rothleisberger. I wonder what ever happened to him?
August 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Thec Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Just when you think you got the WRs covered, here comes a beast running through your secondary for a TD or long gain.
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After the catch of course…///////////////Yacabilling down the field.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Welker lit the Raids up pretty good last year.
You watch the guy and think ‘this shouldn’t be that hard to stop’.
Somehow, no one does.
Kind of a head scratcher.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I thinking of Reece as more of a TE like NE runs. Everyone knows Gronkowski isnt in there to block. But either way Reece will be a force.
August 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
514. Me too. Dont get me started.. I wanted either ely, big ben, or crybaby.. But I had to make due with that long haired bltch gallery for x-mas… Thanx santa al…
August 6th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
That 28 year old rookie will be the starting QB for the Browns
August 6th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
keith brooking. He worse then tracy porter
August 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
I don’t like the Donkeys adding Keith Brooking at LB!
that guy still has another year or two left in the tank and he provides LEADERSHIP on the field & in the locker room. I wanted him.
He has ties to Dennis Allen (Atlanta).
I wonder why Dungver wanted him over ex-viking and Raider fan favorite E.J. Henderson ??
August 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
new post!