Allen says McFadden will get even more work
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, August 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders running back Darren McFadden allayed any concerns about his long layoff within a three-play span, yet that didn’t earn him time off in the remaining exhibition games.
In those three plays Monday night, McFadden netted 4 yards on a run, 18 on a catch-and-run play in which he lined up as a wide receiver and 16 on a burst around the left side.
This came in his first game since a severe foot injury last October. McFadden missed the final nine games last season as a result of the injury to his right foot.
Despite McFadden’s impressive showing against the Dallas Cowboys on Monday night, coach Dennis Allen said McFadden still needs even more work in game settings between now and the regular-season opener Sept. 11.
“Darren needs to get his touches so that he goes into the regular season ready to go,” Allen said in a conference call, “and that’s the most important thing for him is to make sure he’s fully ready to roll when the opening game comes off on Monday night.”
McFadden has said that he welcomes as many touches as he can get before the first regular-season game.
It’s likely that Allen will indulge McFadden with a handful Friday night against the Arizona Cardinals and several more in the third game before shutting down McFadden for the exhibition finale.
– Veteran running back Cedric Benson signed with the Green Bay Packers, but not before he received overtures from the Raiders and Detroit Lions, he claims.
Benson told FoxSportsWisconsin.com that he opted for the Packers because he felt as if they give him the best chance to play for a Super Bowl-winning team.
“Both teams that needed backs,” Benson said. “They talk about a Super Bowl around here, not about winning their first playoff game.”
That, presumably, was in reference to the Lions and Raiders struggling in recent seasons. The Raiders last appeared in the playoffs in 2002.
Benson’s name has been linked to the Raiders for some time before he signed with the Packers.
However, the Raiders never professed any interest in Benson, other than saying that they evaluate every free agent.
Speculation kicked into high gear in light of injuries suffered by backup backs Taiwan Jones (hamstring) and Mike Goodson (neck) the first two weeks of training camp.
– Allen said Goodson “probably” will be back at practice Wednesday after missing the past week.
Goodson suffered his injury last Aug. 7, when he collided with outside linebacker Philip Wheeler on a short pass over the middle.
Goodson was immobilized on the field and taken by ambulance to Queen of the Valley Medical Center in Napa. Tests returned negative, and Goodson was released the same day.
“If he’s able to practice this week, we’ll get him in the game and let him play against Arizona,” Allen said.
– Rookie wide receiver Rod Streater caught six passes for 66 yards on Monday night. Still, Allen said he reserved judgment until watching tape of the game.
“Well, I thought he did a nice job,” Allen said. “He executed like he’s been executing all of camp, caught the ball well, was able to get up the field and not a lot of wasted movement. So, Rod Streater, he played really well.”
Streater has gone from an undrafted free agent to a player that appears to be a lock to make the 53-man roster.
– Center Stefen Wisniewski’s calf injury is a day-to-day situation, Allen said. Therefore, it’s possible that Wisniewski will play Friday night.
Wisniewski left the Cowboys game Monday night after only one series. He received treatment on the sideline and watched the remainder of the game from that vantage point.
– Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
Ford was unavailable for comment Monday night and Tuesday.
– Rookie defensive end Jack Crawford was active for Monday night’s game. However, Allen said, he was held out because of lingering soreness.
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August 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Anybody calling for rebuild mode is off their rocker.
If and when the time comes that we are mathematically eliminated from Playoff contention…then and only then do we talk of rebuilding.
With CPalmer, DMC, DHB and DeMoore all on the field at the same time, this Offense will be one of the best in the NFL. Keep them healthy, and fock rebuilding…win now.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Regarding last night’s game …
THE GOOD:
– Darren McFadden looks awesome. Best back in the league and best player on this team, hands down.
- The Run D. I think a new scheme and better defensive coaching is mostly what is needed to fix our run D. I think we’ll have that this year and teams are going to have a tough time against our very powerful front-4.
- Rod Streater. Based on camp reports and his performance last night, kid has already earned a roster spot. How many undrafted rookies can you say that about after the first exhibition game?
- Mike Mitchell. I’ve been a Mitchell defender since Al made the pick. Reports are he’s been impressive this camp and last night I saw consistent glimpses of the guy from the YouTube highlight reel. It’s not really the gift interception Orton threw him. He also decked Stephen McGee on a blitz, btw. It was really just the overall speed, aggressiveness and decisiveness with which he played the game. He really jumped off the screen to me during his time on the field. He was clearly the best player on the field while he was in the game.
- Terrelle Pryor’s athleticism. Kid just has an impressive size, speed and instinctual elusiveness. If QB doesn’t work out for him, I think he’s a realistic and potentially great WR/TE prospect. I think the Raiders should consider using him this season like the Steelers used Kordell “Slash” Stewart his first few seasons in the league.
- Escaped with no major injuries. Knock on wood.
THE BAD:
– Jacoby Ford had a rough night. It’s well documented. But it’s one preseason game and Ford has shown me plenty of ability in his young pro career. I’m honestly not at all worried about it. A bad preseason game … who really cares.
- WR depth. I’m really second-guessing the decision to trade Louis Murphy right now. Guy was the best WR on the team for two years before injury derailed him in 2011. If he were here I’d have no reservations about him if he had to fill in as a starter. Definitely a better option than Criner, IMO, and better-suited than Ford to fill in for Moore on the outside if needed. Hopefully Eddie McGee can come back soon and show us something.
- The offense scoring ZERO points. Not going to go crazy here. It’s one preseason game in which the starters played a couple of series. But I was not a big fan of the Knapp hiring. As I have posted many, many times, I felt the firing of Hue Jackson was a mistake and that we would miss his abilities as an offensive coach and playcaller. I really felt we should’ve kept Hue and hired a quality DC because the bottom-ranked D is really what kept us out of the playoffs last year. For the most part I like what Dennis Allen is doing, but it does concern me that we scored ZERO points in our first game without Hue and looked pretty discombobulated at times. Not a big deal, but bears watching.
- Lonyae Miller. I was really disappointed. Liked Miller’s game alot at Fresno but he just looked slow and lackluster last night.
- Our edge pass rush. I think we may miss Wimbley more than people realize this season. We’ve got a bunch of big, strong, powerful dudes on our d-line, but probably no good speed pass-rush guy on the edge. Wimbley didn’t rack up a ton of sacks, but he was very good at applying quick pressure off the edge that broke the QBs concentration and/or forced him into the surge of our DTs up the middle. A major hole on this roster right now.
THE UGLY:
– The dirt infield running across the Raiders field. It’s really a disgrace and embarrassment that the Raiders are still playing on that surface. Forget the aesthetic awfulness of it, but to expect players to run back and forth between two different playing surfaces and make quick, decisive cuts is a joke. It’s a real injury risk and makes players tentative. It’s something DA needs to take into account when alotting playing time in our 3rd exhibition game at home, which is normally when you play starter’s the longest. But I’d rather come out of that game healthy than worry about a few extra preseason series. Can’t stand that field.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Hopefully Mystic takes this post off due to lingering soreness(from the previous post).
August 14th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
– Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted.
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What I’ve been saying. Palmer made the right read…and delivered the ball a touch late, but absolutely catch-able. Jacoby Lee Ford has been called-out by the Coach for not finishing the play. He’ll finish plays Friday.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
“I was lucky enough, to see… The Real Deal— Buddy Guy + Johnny Lang in July, at a small venue… Buddy can still can BRING IT!!!”
Yeah I love Buddy Guy in fact I used to be in a band and we played his blues club in Chicago in 1994 its on 7th and Wabash and right next door is a nude tetty bar never left they block all weekend!
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up.”
There, Dennis Allen said Ford should have tried to break that up, not catch it, not come down with it but break it up, meaning it was not a good throw, close but not quite.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I love the way Palmer plays the game. He reminds me of The Snake who also had a ton of picks. Palmer just needs a few 4th quarter comebacks on his resume along with a Super Bowl Victory. Besides that, if Palmer isn’t willing to take chances then where does DMo fit in? Like I said, Palmer is what he is, and that is a Gunslinger. I wouldn’t have it any other way….
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I like Mystic1 and he knows I enjoy arguing with him as I did all of last season but he needs to read this:
– Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
August 14th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Pfft, what does the head coach know?
August 14th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Raider E Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I love the way Palmer plays the game. He reminds me of The Snake who also had a ton of picks. Palmer just needs a few 4th quarter comebacks on his resume along with a Super Bowl Victory. Besides that, if Palmer isn’t willing to take chances then where does DMo fit in? Like I said, Palmer is what he is, and that is a Gunslinger. I wouldn’t have it any other way….
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Agreed! Keep slinging it, CP.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
“Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.”
So Palmer was doing exactly what the coach had instructed him to do GO FIGURE!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
“He executed like he’s been executing all of camp, caught the ball well, was able to get up the field and not a lot of wasted movement. So, Rod Streater, he played really well.”
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That’s exactly why I made the joking comment about seeing Jerry Rice out there in number 80. I thought the kid was really smooth out there. And it is prob why he got more passes thrown his way than Criner. He as able to get open while Criner didnt. Kid is 6-3, 200 lbs, run 4.37 and can run routes + catch. We got a winner. I hope Criner can overcome his lack of speed with his size. We will see Friday. Al Davis would have approved the Streater signing.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
“Raider E Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I love the way Palmer plays the game. He reminds me of The Snake who also had a ton of picks. Palmer just needs a few 4th quarter comebacks on his resume along with a Super Bowl Victory. Besides that, if Palmer isn’t willing to take chances then where does DMo fit in? Like I said, Palmer is what he is, and that is a Gunslinger. I wouldn’t have it any other way….
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Agreed! Keep slinging it, CP.”
Cosigned again!
August 14th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Let’s just say Ford (big fan here) had a terrible game all around. He is quickly becoming JLH. I hope he turns it around.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
“Pfft, what does the head coach know?”
I know lets run him out of town after his first pre-season loss!
August 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:56 am
I dont understand how people can be down on a rookie qb that went 8-15 and also rushed for 21 yards?!?!?! all of this after being almost out of football and not seeing the field for over a year>!
Then the same people completely ignore the starter that throws a dreadful int in the very first series of the game!
This is weird
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I think you need to change your name to Mistic the Super Racist.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
CP should looked the safety off or at least did a pump fake before throwing deep to the undersized Ford.
Ford played that crap the whole game. He needs to get his head out of his azz real quick!!
August 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I like Mystic1 and he knows I enjoy arguing with him as I did all of last season but he needs to read this:
– Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
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Sounds like classic coach spin looking to diffuse any potential alarm based on plamers wildy eratic passing last year, and his early pick this pre season. he also does not want to alianate his starting qb because lineart wont cut it, and pryor isnt ready just yet.
Lip service
August 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
The head coach is a rookie head coach mind you.
Same as Hue was last year. There will be growing pains.
Ugh.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mistic, have you ever seen a black QB you did not like? I bet you were riding Aaron Brooks jock too.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
CP should have looked the safety off or at least did a pump fake before throwing deep to the undersized Ford.
Ford played like crap the whole game though. He needs to get his head out of his azz real quick!!
August 14th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Might wanna read more carefully:
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up.”
There, Dennis Allen said Ford should have tried to break that up, not catch it, not come down with it but break it up, meaning it was not a good throw, close but not quite.
DA said you want to take those shots, ok but you might wanna fake out the Safety first, poor execution and throw by Palmer and Ford, but I can’t say I agree that Ford could have done much more.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
allen is doing the right thing by spinning palmers shaky start, you cant have him tank, or he may quit and mentally check out like he did to marvin lewis and bungles. palmer just doesnt seem to have the mental toughness to accept fault or criticism.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I wish Knapp would run some counter run plays and traps every now and then to keep defenses off balance.
Defenses will get used that exclusive run left, run right ZBS stuff real quick.
Knapp better mix it up on offense or there will be problems.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I will admit last year Mistic1 was right about Cam Newton and I said that he would be another Teblow and I was wrong.
I admitted it.
So now Mystic1 when Palmer takes us to the playoffs you will owe me an admission.
August 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Ford has definitely taken a step backwards, didn’t look good in any phase of the game. I saw Palmer on the sideline giving him some TLC though, so hopefully he snaps out of it by Friday, and takes the opening kickoff to the house. Although. I believe we have lost the 2 games that he has actually done that. Indy and Miami if I am not mistaken?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mistic, have you ever seen a black QB you did not like? I bet you were riding Aaron Brooks jock too.
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Not to mention Tavaris Jackson…..
August 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
“palmer just doesnt seem to have the mental toughness to accept fault or criticism”
I disagree with that statement last year he owned up to his mistakes and took the blame on a few losses. After what he went through in Cincy I know he is mentally tough.
The Palmer bandwagon is here climb on board!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
When your QB takes a shot down the field and the play is not there, you have to break it up. That’s what good players do. I’m a huge Ford fan here but he’s no where near the rookie that I saw. Dude is tentative out there and not the same aggressive player that bailed out JC and Grad.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
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Made a better effort to “break it up”?????
That answer doesn’t make sense.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
allen is doing the right thing by spinning palmers shaky start, you cant have him tank, or he may quit and mentally check out like he did to marvin lewis and bungles. palmer just doesnt seem to have the mental toughness to accept fault or criticism.
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What shaky start? He threw an INT. Peyton Manning also threw an INT in his first preseason game.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
“Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mistic, have you ever seen a black QB you did not like? I bet you were riding Aaron Brooks jock too.”
Mystic1 was saying the same thing about Troy Smith when he came out of college I was here reading it then so I know….where is Troy now?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mistic, have you ever seen a black QB you did not like? I bet you were riding Aaron Brooks jock too.
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I have bever even seen you post here before but you want to call me out?
For the record i was not a pryor fan, but after watching tebow last year i became convinced pryor could get it done. now after seeing the growth that pryor has made since being out of football, I am even more convinced he can be a solid qb in this league. you only need to build the offense to fit his skill. In fact this horizontal stretch game will be very good for him. Put him in some shot gun use lots of play fakes and misdirection and you will see magic.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Palmer and McFadden will take us to the playoffs .. You guys forget Palmer played a pretty good game on week 17 if our D was just average we would be singing a different tune about him now
August 14th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Mistic, when you going to admit you are America’s #1 reverse racist?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
2.Chris in NY Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Regarding last night’s game …
- The offense scoring ZERO points. Not going to go crazy here. It’s one preseason game in which the starters played a couple of series. But I was not a big fan of the Knapp hiring. As I have posted many, many times, I felt the firing of Hue Jackson was a mistake and that we would miss his abilities as an offensive coach and playcaller. I really felt we should’ve kept Hue and hired a quality DC because the bottom-ranked D is really what kept us out of the playoffs last year. For the most part I like what Dennis Allen is doing, but it does concern me that we scored ZERO points in our first game without Hue and looked pretty discombobulated at times. Not a big deal, but bears watching.
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This is what concerns me the most when it comes to the offense potentially regressing from the progress made the last two years under Hue Jackson.
Knapp and his play calling will monitored heavily.
He better get this offense to score TD’s!
Like I have said many times….this will be Knapps last shot at calling plays and being an OC in the NFL IMO.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Mistic isn’t black? HAHAHAHA
August 14th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Go Raiders ..Friday can’t come here fast enough
August 14th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
No excuse for Ford to not be playing hard and be focused this year. It’s his 3rd year in the freakin league….this is the time he should shine and break out and work for a big contract.
Kid needs to get his head out of his azz…period!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Not worried one bit about Palmer.
As it stands, all 32 teams are screwed if their starting QB going down (some more than others).
IMO, Palmer would start on any team that doesn’t have a QB named Rodgers, the Mannings, RothlesHURT-HER, Luck, RG3, Brady, Brees, Newton, Romo, Rivers, Ryan & possibly Flaco.
IMHO, having a QB of Palmer’s caliber puts us above the other 18 teams in the NFL.
I’ll take that situation over being one of the 18 teams that wished it was in our position.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
pryor play faking to dmac with speed at every wr postion would be a nightmare for any defense. This is why newton torched the nfl last year , this is why RGIII will torch the nfl this year.
pryor could have similar success. IN my mind he reminds me now of mcnabb. very streaky passer, that can unleash a real duck at times, but accurate enough to win lots of games and make play that very few that have ever been in the nfl could make
August 14th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Mistic, when you going to admit you are America’s #1 reverse racist?
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there is no such thing as reverse racism. Not sure why you notice pryors race before his game
August 14th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
41.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
pryor play faking to dmac with speed at every wr postion would be a nightmare for any defense. This is why newton torched the nfl last year , this is why RGIII will torch the nfl this year.
pryor could have similar success. IN my mind he reminds me now of mcnabb. very streaky passer, that can unleash a real duck at times, but accurate enough to win lots of games and make play that very few that have ever been in the nfl could make
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Exactly!
Stupid Knapp needs to utilize Pryors strengths and not try and fit square pegs into round holes all the time.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Yesterday I heard one of the interviews on radio one of the interview was from TJ whosyourmama about Greg Knapp he mentioned that he has amazing Playbook and there’s nothing bad to say about him , Knapp always got the slack for his Oc track but keep in mind he never really had a QB as good as Palmer , We will be fine this year ..Go Raiders
August 14th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Mistic probably thinks that Vince Evans was better than the Gannon.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
No excuse for Ford to not be playing hard and be focused this year.
It’s his 3rd year in the freakin league! T
This is the time he should shine and break out and work for a big contract.
Kid needs to get his head out of his azz…period!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
It’s funny how so many people can look at the same thing and see something completely different.
Ford was clearly trying to catch the ball.
I just don’t get how he can be called out on that play.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Mistic, when you going to admit you are America’s #1 reverse racist?
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there is no such thing as reverse racism. Not sure why you notice pryors race before his game
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Pryor did not play good. He may be like Tebow someday.
Of course there is reverse racism.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Go Raiders.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Ford was def rocked on that kick return If I was the coach I would send Him to get tests for concussion or something , he looked like he didn’t wanted to be there ..maybe he miss his home boy Russell
August 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Can anyone tell me what the Shark week is?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I meant Campbell
August 14th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
47.J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
It’s funny how so many people can look at the same thing and see something completely different.
Ford was clearly trying to catch the ball.
I just don’t get how he can be called out on that play.
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If it was overthrown, (which it was slightly) then he should have made a better effort to deflect it away from FS.
Doesn’t excuse his other two bad drops and his shaky play on KR and PR.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Jacoby Ford got the big helium headz after rookie season. He probably thinks he is Desean Jackson now.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
51.Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Can anyone tell me what the Shark week is?
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Discovery Channel Shark Week. Talking about Sharks all week long. Good stuff!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Vince Evans > anything since Gannon but before Palmer.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Can anyone tell me what the Shark week is?
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I guess it’s a show on Discovery channel where they show nothing but Sharks stories and stuff for a week
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
50.mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Ford was def rocked on that kick return If I was the coach I would send Him to get tests for concussion or something , he looked like he didn’t wanted to be there ..maybe he miss his home boy Russell
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Hmm…that could have been a factor. Maybe he got semi concussed? It would explain a great many thinggs about his shaky play.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Reverse racism?????
Is that sorta like calling the wife who shoots the husband who has been beating her for 30 years reverse spousal abuse?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Go Raiders . You guys dont need to worry , we’ll be better this year on all sides o the ball
August 14th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
60.mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Go Raiders . You guys dont need to worry , we’ll be better this year on all sides o the ball
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We’ll see. This team needs a backup RB.
McK should sign Ryan Grant!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Lol, comparing Knapp’s offense to Hue’s after the very first exhibition game.
What did guys expect to see….flea flickers, reverses, statue of liberty?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
50.mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Ford was def rocked on that kick return If I was the coach I would send Him to get tests for concussion or something , he looked like he didn’t wanted to be there ..maybe he miss his home boy Russell
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Hmm…that could have been a factor. Maybe he got semi concussed? It would explain a great many thinggs about his shaky play.
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He couldn’t even field that 1 punt cleanly , there was nobody near him and he stepped out with guys 6 feet away
August 14th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
60.mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Go Raiders . You guys dont need to worry , we’ll be better this year on all sides o the ball
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We’ll see. This team needs a backup RB.
McK should sign Ryan Grant!
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Jones and Goodson will be scary in that one and cut n go scheme , When they come in the 2nd half against tired D’s
August 14th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Bob, read between the lines. Allen is backing Palmer. It was a good throw and a good receiver would have made the play. You seem to be a knowledgeable guy. But this love for Ford is misplaced.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Obviously it’s early – VERY early – but here are some impressions from the first preseason game:
The good:
Darren McFadden – Explosive as always, and didn’t get hurt. Moreover, it’s fun to watch an offensive coordinator finally have the opportunity to use him creatively.
Rod Streater – You want to see consistency in UDFA guys, and that’s exactly what Streater showed. He parlayed his outstanding performances in practice into real productivity. Big step for the young man.
Lamarr Houston – I’ve said many times that I think Lamarr Houston is the most talented defensive lineman the Raiders have, and he looked like it Monday night. While his most noticeable play was when he blew up a play action pass, almost sacking Tony Romo, he was active all night against the run. He gave Doug Free, a solid young OT, fits all night. Houston could be headed for a big season in Tarver’s scheme.
Phillip Wheeler – Wheeler may prove to be the biggest acquisition of the offseason for the Raiders. He was flying around the field for the short time he was on it. Will be very interesting to see him go to work when the defense isn’t being so vanilla.
Richard Gordon/David Ausberry – This is going to be one of the most interesting position battles this preseason, with Myers likely being out for a while. Both players flashed Monday night, showing the grit and toughness you want to see from a TE. Gordon had one bad play where DeMarcus Ware bullrushed him, but Ware does that against elite OTs, so it’s hard to fault Gordon for that.
Dom Hamilton/Christo Bilukidi – Another position battle that I expect to heat up soon. Hamilton and Bilukidi looked strong against the run, and Hamilton in particular showcased an ability to get into the backfield that I didn’t know he had. With Seymour, Kelly, and Bryant around there may be only one spot available on the roster at DT, so Hamilton and Bilukidi will have to fight it out. But the future of the Raiders’ defensive line looks bright, assuming both players can be retained.
Chad Kilgore – A very surprising performance from a player who has only been on the roster for a couple weeks. Kilgore was flying around the field, making plays against the run and the pass. His coverage ability may secure a roster spot for him at WLB with Aaron Curry’s injury becoming more of a concern each passing day.
The Bad:
Jacoby Ford – When Ford finally returned from injury last season, he just didn’t look like the same player. Mental mistakes piled up, and his slip at the end of the season-ending loss to the Chargers led to a pick that killed a promising drive and sealed the Raiders’ fate. Between not fighting for position on an overthrown but catchable ball, a muffed punt, and two ugly drops that hit him right in the hands, Ford had about as bad a night as a WR can have in the preseason. He needs to get his head in the game, because the Raiders have too many other promising young receivers to keep him on the field if he’s going to be a liability.
Demarcus Van Dyke/Chimdi Chekwa – Van Dyke had looked very impressive in camp thus far, while Chekwa had been quite. But neither had a very impressive night on Monday. Van Dyke was victimized multiple times on short and intermediate passes, allowing receivers to get good body position out of their breaks. Chekwa had a mental gaffe on special teams that gave the Cowboy defense 19 yards, and he didn’t show the ability to cover slot receivers as a nickel CB, showing some stiffness in the open field. These players need to step up. If Bartell or Spencer go down, one of them will be in line for a lot of playing time.
Terrell Pryor – Ugly. Ugly. Ugly. To his credit, he knows he didn’t play well and that he has to improve. While he showed that he’s a difficult player to bring down, he didn’t do a good enough job of keeping his eyes downfield and trying to make plays, instead opting to run for short gains. Still, Pryor deserves the benefit of the doubt more than anyone on this list, as he hasn’t seen live action on the football field since his final game at Ohio State.
Lonyae Miller – With two backup running back spots being there for the taking, you would have liked to see a more inspired effort from Miller. Miller got two full quarters to show what he can do, but simply looked average, even against backups. Granted, the backup offensive line did little to help him, but in a couple cases Miller actually ran into contact, missing open running lanes.
Backup O-line – On that note, depth looks like it might be an issue on the offensive line. Bergstrom held his own, but Haslam, Barksdale, Nix, and Parsons all struggled. The running game shut down, and Pryor spent much of his night running for his life. Barksdale’s night was by far the most disappointing. His feet looked like they were stuck in cement. He got abused by the Cowboys’ outside pass rushers.
Carl Ihenacho/Kaelin Burnett – The LB corps is another position group with spots up for grabs, especially at OLB where Tarver and Allen will occasionally have OLBs playing with their hand on the ground. Ihenacho and Burnett both saw time at OLB and DE, but neither impressed. While Ihenacho showed nice motor to end his night with a sack, both players were frequently blown off the line by offensive tackles and showed very little against the run. With the LB corps desperately in need of a couple more playmakers to emerge, it will be interesting to see how this battle plays out as the preseason goes on.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
If our defense wasn’t embarrassing last year, we beat the Lions and Chargers at the end of the year, giving Palmer a 6-3 record despite not having a pre-season or running game.
Palmer should have been 6-3, except for our D.
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Reverse racism?????
Is that sorta like calling the wife who shoots the husband who has been beating her for 30 years reverse spousal abuse?
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No, it’s when the blacks hate the whites.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Lol, comparing Knapp’s offense to Hue’s after the very first exhibition game.
What did guys expect to see….flea flickers, reverses, statue of liberty?
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Yes he basically had no plan just threw out all kinda formations out there to see what the guys do
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
J — The world saw Jacoby have a bad day…including the INT play. Jacoby Lee Ford tried to catch that ball, right up until he gave up trying to. At that point, the ball shouldn’t have been caught by anyone near it.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
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Mistic isn’t a troll. He’s just a racist. He only like it when the Raiders have a black QB.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
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Left hook by The General to he Palmer haters. Guessing The General isn’t a big fan of Captain Checkdown based on this comment.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Friday can’t get here soon enough.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Sit dmac fool
August 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
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Mistic isn’t a troll. He’s just a racist. He only like it when the Raiders have a black QB.
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You know…a troll is not a stretch here. Think about what trolls do. They come in and make outlandish statements just to stir the pot, all in hopes of getting attention and causing discord. Hmmm….
August 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
If our defense wasn’t embarrassing last year, we beat the Lions and Chargers at the end of the year, giving Palmer a 6-3 record despite not having a pre-season or running game.
Palmer should have been 6-3, except for our D.
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
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yep and willy wonka the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and santa clause all agree with you.
if could of and should of may be how you evaluate qbs but thank god big mack doesnt do it like that.
just the facts ma’am thanks
August 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Sit dmac fool
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Co-signed.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
No, it’s when the blacks hate the whites.
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Oh, the dog hating the owner who kicks him across the room every night?
Got it.
Thanks.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
take ford out of kick return and punt returns for a week , give him some short screens or underneath routes to get him going , it’s obviously getting to his head that he can’t break a big 1 so give him some confidence with easy plays
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Troll? nah, just ask him how is JC the Black Savior qb doing nowadays….:)
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
all of this name calling because i have pointed out palmers flawed play.
sad but not shocking
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
YA
is looking “average” good or bad if you’re an undrafted RB that was 4th on the depth chart?
I was happy with Lanyae Miller’s play and thought his unproductive runs came in the 4th Q when our OL was being abused.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Yes he basically had no plan just threw out all kinda formations out there to see what the guys do
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I don’t buy that. I could imagine DA asking Knapp “What’s your game Plan?” Knapp….”I don’t have one”
August 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
No, it’s when the blacks hate the whites.
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Oh, the dog hating the owner who kicks him across the room every night?
Got it.
Thanks.
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You sound like the racist too, no?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
“Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.”
So Palmer was doing exactly what the coach had instructed him to do GO FIGURE!!!!
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Allen knew it was a bad throw. And a bad choice to throw
Everyone did.
Have bad news for you.
Allen never said make a bad throw into double coverage.
Quit making weak excuses for CP.
He knows he blew it. Why don’t you?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
The world saw Jacoby have a bad day
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Yes they did.
And I agree with that.
But that was a bad pass and decision by Palmer. Just ask Greg Papa and Jon Gruden.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Why the fuk are people all over Pryor’s a$$.We happen to have the luxury, in this day and age, to bring along a prospective QB as it was done before free agency.Takes about four years before most get a handle on that position…..he’ll be fine….why?….because he wants too.
He’s only got two….two Heismans ahead of him and to all intents and purposes this is really his rookie year.
What is all noise about?God knows the kid has all the physical necessities…it’s merely a case of will he? or wont he? and he’s got all kinds of time on that one.He’s a very lucky young man and I’m kinda like Al on this…..Is he black?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
YA
is looking “average” good or bad if you’re an undrafted RB that was 4th on the depth chart?
I was happy with Lanyae Miller’s play and thought his unproductive runs came in the 4th Q when our OL was being abused.
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Looking average against the 3rd team defense is not very impressive to me. But again, a lot of that might have been because of the offensive line.
Still, Miller left some yards on the field. Even Louis Rankin looked better in preseason garbage time.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
You sound like the racist too, no?
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LOL!
Really????
Why do you say that?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Yeah, it was the bad pass. Get over it already. It’s preseason. You chicken little mother frickers need to chill out like Mr. Freeze.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
You sound like the racist too, no?
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LOL!
Really????
Why do you say that?
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Sounds like you got the chips on your shoulder. Quit eating those Flaming Cheetos!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Why the fuk are people all over Pryor’s a$$.We happen to have the luxury, in this day and age, to bring along a prospective QB as it was done before free agency.Takes about four years before most get a handle on that position…..he’ll be fine….why?….because he wants too.
He’s only got two….two Heismans ahead of him and to all intents and purposes this is really his rookie year.
What is all noise about?God knows the kid has all the physical necessities…it’s merely a case of will he? or wont he? and he’s got all kinds of time on that one.He’s a very lucky young man and I’m kinda like Al on this…..Is he black?
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well said, i would only add that if this season becomes a flop it will be time to let pryor get soe starts. This way we wont go into next years draft trying to figure out if we need a qb.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
If our defense wasn’t embarrassing last year, we beat the Lions and Chargers at the end of the year, giving Palmer a 6-3 record despite not having a pre-season or running game.
Palmer should have been 6-3, except for our D.
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
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yep and willy wonka the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and santa clause all agree with you.
if could of and should of may be how you evaluate qbs but thank god big mack doesnt do it like that.
just the facts ma’am thanks
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He obviously put the team in position to win against Detroit with less than 2 mins left yet our D let them go all the way down in 5 plays .. With only 30 secs left in game .. what else can he do there ? He kept going toe to toe with SD throwing over 400 yards 2 Tds 1 int on which ford slipped , and when we were only down 5 points with momentum on our side after kicking or punting the ball to their half yard line ..our D freaking let’s them score a Td in less than 6 plays .. And that’s when palmer brought Raiders in scoring position again when Ford slipped and the ball wa intercepted and it was game over because our D wasn’t going to stop a little league team from scoring that day
August 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
78.. Wow super racist…
August 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I was happy with Lanyae Miller’s play and thought his unproductive runs came in the 4th Q when our OL was being abused.
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Did look slow, but may have a big back role.
Didn’t look bad behind the better line play as a guy who could pound the rock for a yard or 2 in short yardage situations.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mistic, have you ever seen a black QB you did not like? I bet you were riding Aaron Brooks jock too.
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I have bever even seen you post here before but you want to call me out?
For the record i was not a pryor fan, but after watching tebow last year i became convinced pryor could get it done. now after seeing the growth that pryor has made since being out of football, I am even more convinced he can be a solid qb in this league. you only need to build the offense to fit his skill. In fact this horizontal stretch game will be very good for him. Put him in some shot gun use lots of play fakes and misdirection and you will see magic.
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solid qb, in this league?
just have to build offense to fit his skill???
Is there an offense designed where a qb never has to throw the ball??
August 14th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Btw,
Except for DHB dropping a pass on Cleveland’s 8 yard line with a few seconds left in the game, we would have tied or won the game.
Funny how DHB just faded away last night when he was force-fed the ball.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
…..when he was NOT*** force fed the ball…..
August 14th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Mistic,
it’s because you go out of your way to bash him.
When you assume that what a coach says actually means the OPPOSITE because it suits your pre-determined paradigm, it makes me question whether you’re just trying to stir the pot.
Palmer had 6 outstanding games last year and 3 bad ones. Why is that so terrible for a guy coming off the couch?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Yes he basically had no plan just threw out all kinda formations out there to see what the guys do
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I don’t buy that. I could imagine DA asking Knapp “What’s your game Plan?” Knapp….”I don’t have one”
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The plan was to let McFadden get early touches and take a deep shot with Palmer to see the timing between him his receivers ,besides that one int Palmer was on money too bad ford decided not to show up yesterday , and the other plan was to run a lot of running plays to make them get used to ZBS which we day , we did a slot of screens ,we did roll outs , we did empty back field , a lOt of motioning and stuff … So the who thing game was used to test how our players respond and get them to catch up with a lot of the Plays
August 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
If our defense wasn’t embarrassing last year, we beat the Lions and Chargers at the end of the year, giving Palmer a 6-3 record despite not having a pre-season or running game.
Palmer should have been 6-3, except for our D.
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
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yep and willy wonka the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and santa clause all agree with you.
if could of and should of may be how you evaluate qbs but thank god big mack doesnt do it like that.
just the facts ma’am thanks
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He obviously put the team in position to win against Detroit with less than 2 mins left yet our D let them go all the way down in 5 plays .. With only 30 secs left in game .. what else can he do there ? He kept going toe to toe with SD throwing over 400 yards 2 Tds 1 int on which ford slipped , and when we were only down 5 points with momentum on our side after kicking or punting the ball to their half yard line ..our D freaking let’s them score a Td in less than 6 plays .. And that’s when palmer brought Raiders in scoring position again when Ford slipped and the ball wa intercepted and it was game over because our D wasn’t going to stop a little league team from scoring that day
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he also left enough plays on the field for us to lose as well, he cant be absolved especially in that sd game. he was lucky not to end up with 4 picks with 3 first half passes hitting defenders square in the chest.
Instead i think we are better served judging based on WHAT ACTAUALLY HAPPENED. 16 picks in 9 starts, make that 17 picks in 10 starts if you count yesterday. Simply putrid
August 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Look, Ford for whatever reason didn’t feel like playing football last night. That is who he is.
He is a kick returner. Not bad for a small man playing with big guys.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mistic, have you ever seen a black QB you did not like? I bet you were riding Aaron Brooks jock too.
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I have bever even seen you post here before but you want to call me out?
For the record i was not a pryor fan, but after watching tebow last year i became convinced pryor could get it done. now after seeing the growth that pryor has made since being out of football, I am even more convinced he can be a solid qb in this league. you only need to build the offense to fit his skill. In fact this horizontal stretch game will be very good for him. Put him in some shot gun use lots of play fakes and misdirection and you will see magic.
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solid qb, in this league?
just have to build offense to fit his skill???
Is there an offense designed where a qb never has to throw the ball??
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sorry but 8-15 passing is pretty good for a rookie in his first nfl action, playing with all scrubs
August 14th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Ford left his game in Napa, it seems.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Btw,
Except for DHB dropping a pass on Cleveland’s 8 yard line with a few seconds left in the game, we would have tied or won the game.
Funny how DHB just faded away last night when he was force-fed the ball.
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Are you serious? The guy only played two series and he caught the only ball that was throw to him , what did u wanted him to do..finish the night with 10 catches 150 yds in total of 13 plays ran when he was in the line up?
August 14th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Instead i think we are better served judging based on WHAT ACTAUALLY HAPPENED. 16 picks in 9 starts, make that 17 picks in 10 starts if you count yesterday. Simply putrid
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You are putrid you are racist.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Does anybody remember cam newtons pre season last year? I dont think you can discount pryor’s ability based on a typical rookie first outing, in fact i saw very encouraging things that demand more playing time. Im sure this is not lost on big mack and the boys
August 14th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Anyways, I was impressed with last nights game. Don’t care that offense did not score. Small amount of penalties and good defense was a good sign.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Joe Webb, Pat White, Terrelle Pryor, Seneca Wallace, Charlie Ward, Darron Thomas…
athletes who could QB at the college level.
athletes who could not QB at the NFL level.
It’s ok to admit that we don’t have the next Michael Vick.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
There are no preseason gameplans…
August 14th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
he also left enough plays on the field for us to lose as well, he cant be absolved especially in that sd game. he was lucky not to end up with 4 picks with 3 first half passes hitting defenders square in the chest.
Instead i think we are better served judging based on WHAT ACTAUALLY HAPPENED. 16 picks in 9 starts, make that 17 picks in 10 starts if you count yesterday. Simply putrid
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You will use that meaningless Pre-season int and you will use those 3 int he threw in his 1st game that he knew only 10% of the Playbook in ? Are you freaking serious and how about those plays that hit defenders hands , it could have been the fault of guys running wrong routes or not getting in timing with his receivers .. Rem it takes sumtimes 3rd week of regular season for quarterbacks like Brady and Manning to get in synch with players they have been playing with Their whole life and in same system and you won’t cut a slack for this guy who came in mid season played without McFadden ,and obviously Bush was wore down too , with guys goin in n out of the lineup with injuries .. Just because you hate him so much ,doesn’t mean you can’t make common sense statements
August 14th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Sadly Mystic…..since Plunk went down for the count we have always been trying to get a QB.How many Davis rings would we have now if there was a CP in there between then and now?
One thing I will say though is the only thing that can derail this kid is listening to others expectations.We here can help him and by association ourselves if we get off his a$$.It takes a while for the light to go on!He doesn’t have to panic his a$$.In today’s game kids are fed to the wolves…a la Andrew Luck…sink or swim.
Pryor is not in that category…patience is a virtue and who’d a thunk it…..the Raiders having the luxury (for now at least) to bring up a QB the old fashioned way.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
The plan was to let McFadden get early touches and take a deep shot with Palmer to see the timing between him his receivers ,besides that one int Palmer was on money too bad ford decided not to show up yesterday , and the other plan was to run a lot of running plays to make them get used to ZBS which we day , we did a slot of screens ,we did roll outs , we did empty back field , a lOt of motioning and stuff … So the who thing game was used to test how our players respond and get them to catch up with a lot of the Plays
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Now that I can buy into. Thanks for being more specific.
To be honest, I’m good with that. Sure I would have liked the Raiders to put up 24 or more points but I was expecting more of what your saying. See how the players respond and execute, start building the roster.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
8 completions for 50 yards is TERRIBLE.
6 yards per completion? TERRIBLE.
50% completions when most of them were short throws? TERRIBLE.
Taking a 10-yard sack when he was out of the pocket and just needed to fling the ball out of bounds? TERRIBLE.
Not improving AT ALL based on the reporters that have watched him for 10 months now? TERRIBLE.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Anyways i figured there are alway going to be some fan who are going to wish for a player not to perform just to say I told u so
August 14th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Just watched the Ford/Palmer int 5 times.
There were 2 Raiders in the pattern.
Palmer locked on to Ford right away. Made it really easy for the S to read Palmer.
If Palmer simply looks off the S, that could have been a big play.
Don’t see how Ford could have done anything different. He never slowed down and the ball went PAST him?
You HAVE to look that S off in a 2 man pattern.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Twinkle, we’ve had an MVP QB here since Plunkett
LOVED watching our defense last night. Can’t wait for us to actually have some talent at the LB and CB spot 2 years from now. Top-10 potential in 2 years.
Likely 12-20th ranked this year due to CBs, but that’s a HUGE improvement from 29th.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Quit eating those Flaming Cheetos!
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I prefer Funyuns!
August 14th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
A7….read my last two post’s….then tell me if you feel the same way.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The plan was to let McFadden get early touches and take a deep shot with Palmer to see the timing between him his receivers ,besides that one int Palmer was on money too bad ford decided not to show up yesterday , and the other plan was to run a lot of running plays to make them get used to ZBS which we day , we did a slot of screens ,we did roll outs , we did empty back field , a lOt of motioning and stuff … So the who thing game was used to test how our players respond and get them to catch up with a lot of the Plays
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Now that I can buy into. Thanks for being more specific.
To be honest, I’m good with that. Sure I would have liked the Raiders to put up 24 or more points but I was expecting more of what your saying. See how the players respond and execute, start building the roster.
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It was basically his first game playin against bigger and faster guys he thought he could out run everybody , but it should be a good lesson for him ..hope to see a better showing from him on Friday , we can def use Pryor in some wildcat and spread option packages this year
August 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
116
Someone said earlier that CP threw that ball too late.
I thought I was trippin. Palmer overthrew Ford.
But yea, read him all the way.
August 14th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
oops sorry responded to the wrong post ^^^^ 120
August 14th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
he also left enough plays on the field for us to lose as well, he cant be absolved especially in that sd game. he was lucky not to end up with 4 picks with 3 first half passes hitting defenders square in the chest.
Instead i think we are better served judging based on WHAT ACTAUALLY HAPPENED. 16 picks in 9 starts, make that 17 picks in 10 starts if you count yesterday. Simply putrid
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You will use that meaningless Pre-season int and you will use those 3 int he threw in his 1st game that he knew only 10% of the Playbook in ? Are you freaking serious and how about those plays that hit defenders hands , it could have been the fault of guys running wrong routes or not getting in timing with his receivers .. Rem it takes sumtimes 3rd week of regular season for quarterbacks like Brady and Manning to get in synch with players they have been playing with Their whole life and in same system and you won’t cut a slack for this guy who came in mid season played without McFadden ,and obviously Bush was wore down too , with guys goin in n out of the lineup with injuries .. Just because you hate him so much ,doesn’t mean you can’t make common sense statements
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go ahead bra explain away all 16 ridiculous interceptions if it makes you feel better. i guarantee that big mack and the boys wont put up with it this year, their jobs depend on it.
I dont hate palmer, im only willing to admit that he hasnt been very good in a long time, and most recently just out right awful
August 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Sorry A7 Forgive me please but the Gannon and Gruden thing just was not my kinda ball…yeah yeah I know it won but just not when it counted….preferred Jeff George
and I know I’m gonna hear about it for that.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
116
Someone said earlier that CP threw that ball too late.
I thought I was trippin. Palmer overthrew Ford.
But yea, read him all the way.
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It was the 1st freaking pass of preseason for him, what better way to get all of the mistakes and brain farts out of the way other than in preseason games
August 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
8 completions for 50 yards is TERRIBLE.
6 yards per completion? TERRIBLE.
50% completions when most of them were short throws? TERRIBLE.
Taking a 10-yard sack when he was out of the pocket and just needed to fling the ball out of bounds? TERRIBLE.
Not improving AT ALL based on the reporters that have watched him for 10 months now? TERRIBLE.
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no worse than cam newtons pre season debut. he made some rookie mistakes the question is will he learn from them.
He has already shown improvement over what he was a s a college qb, so im not sure why any one thinks he is done growing as a player.
Give him credit for not forcing the ball into coverage (like palmer did) and 8-15 isnt terrible for a rookie in his first game action
August 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
All Ford had to do was catch the ball. It went right between his hands. If you want to know how involved he was last night, watch him dog it after the interception.
When Allen said it was easy to spot guys trying to take short cuts, I’m sure Ford was on his mind.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
he also left enough plays on the field for us to lose as well, he cant be absolved especially in that sd game. he was lucky not to end up with 4 picks with 3 first half passes hitting defenders square in the chest.
Instead i think we are better served judging based on WHAT ACTAUALLY HAPPENED. 16 picks in 9 starts, make that 17 picks in 10 starts if you count yesterday. Simply putrid
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You will use that meaningless Pre-season int and you will use those 3 int he threw in his 1st game that he knew only 10% of the Playbook in ? Are you freaking serious and how about those plays that hit defenders hands , it could have been the fault of guys running wrong routes or not getting in timing with his receivers .. Rem it takes sumtimes 3rd week of regular season for quarterbacks like Brady and Manning to get in synch with players they have been playing with Their whole life and in same system and you won’t cut a slack for this guy who came in mid season played without McFadden ,and obviously Bush was wore down too , with guys goin in n out of the lineup with injuries .. Just because you hate him so much ,doesn’t mean you can’t make common sense statements
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go ahead bra explain away all 16 ridiculous interceptions if it makes you feel better. i guarantee that big mack and the boys wont put up with it this year, their jobs depend on it.
I dont hate palmer, im only willing to admit that he hasnt been very good in a long time, and most recently just out right awful
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So you would say he sucked in week 17 against SD 2 Tds and 1 int that ford slipped on over 400 yards ..Without Mcfadden and with worn out bush, who could only get 2 yard per carry .. Tell me the last time any of our quarterback had a game like that ? We would have hosted if our d could have stopped Rivers freaking once
August 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
pryor looked like randall cunningham when he first stepped on the field. left the pocket too early didnt finish all of his reads and was off target.
as the game went on he improved, and will continue to do so if he gets big playing time this pre season. i think his play warrants it, and i also think the coaches and big mack liked most of what they saw from the kid.
PRYOR IS ONLY 23 YEARS OLD FOLKS HE WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE
August 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
It was the 1st freaking pass of preseason for him, what better way to get all of the mistakes and brain farts out of the way other than in preseason games
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You’re on fire tonight.
Let me re-word my comment……
CP overthrowing Ford is actually a good thing. Proves that he doesn’t have the noodle arm that some people claim. Ford is pretty fkn fast.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
LOL @ the ball went through Ford’s hands.
We are talking about the Palmer pick, right?
The S was behind Ford and it went right in his hands while he was running towards the sidelines.
Palmer will be fine, but that was a sequence that could have been better by simply looking off the S, or taking a little bit off it.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I’m way less pissed about Ford not making a play for Palmer’s overthrown ball than I am about Ford jogging after Sensabaugh as he returned it to the 40.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
8 completions for 50 yards is TERRIBLE.
6 yards per completion? TERRIBLE.
50% completions when most of them were short throws? TERRIBLE.
Taking a 10-yard sack when he was out of the pocket and just needed to fling the ball out of bounds? TERRIBLE.
Not improving AT ALL based on the reporters that have watched him for 10 months now? TERRIBLE.
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no worse than cam newtons pre season debut. he made some rookie mistakes the question is will he learn from them.
He has already shown improvement over what he was a s a college qb, so im not sure why any one thinks he is done growing as a player.
Give him credit for not forcing the ball into coverage (like palmer did) and 8-15 isnt terrible for a rookie in his first game action
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Like Palmer ? Lol it was a freaking preseason game , where else would you get better practice than learning from mistakes in Pre-season , isnt that what it’s for , Pryor showed nice poise in the pocket but there were times he didn’t trust his arm at all in fear of getting intercepted , I mean why would you be so scared of throwing picks in Pre-season game
August 14th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Mac 20 In all honesty….can we afford DHB to get hurt?
He is going to be CP’s go to guy until someone else emerges….seems like wideouts are getting bigger and faster……Reminds me of the donkey’s three amigos…
all lined up in the backfield with casts on their broken
fingers….donkey john didn’t throw a spiral….more of a shot put.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
So you would say he sucked in week 17 against SD ==============================
I would say it was another poor showing. he had 3 balls bounce off the defenders in the first half, and the final errant throw cost us the playoffs. when it mattered most palmer showed major shrinkage
August 14th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Palmer did not, I repeat, did not overthrow Ford. Ford is not a great receiver. He would rather be doing something else besides playing football. It is just because football pays better than anything else he could do.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
lol Mystic, ok, you’re officially on troll status.
Pryor 8 completions 50 yards
Cam (pre-season debut, 2011) 8 completions, 113 yards.
No difference????
What was Cam doing 2 months into his NFL career?
Pryor is in his 10th.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
116. Exactly.. Cp3 has to look off that safety.. Or check down. Manage the game…
August 14th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
8 completions for 50 yards is TERRIBLE.
6 yards per completion? TERRIBLE.
50% completions when most of them were short throws? TERRIBLE.
Taking a 10-yard sack when he was out of the pocket and just needed to fling the ball out of bounds? TERRIBLE.
Not improving AT ALL based on the reporters that have watched him for 10 months now? TERRIBLE.
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no worse than cam newtons pre season debut. he made some rookie mistakes the question is will he learn from them.
He has already shown improvement over what he was a s a college qb, so im not sure why any one thinks he is done growing as a player.
Give him credit for not forcing the ball into coverage (like palmer did) and 8-15 isnt terrible for a rookie in his first game action
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Like Palmer ? Lol it was a freaking preseason game , where else would you get better practice than learning from mistakes in Pre-season , isnt that what it’s for , Pryor showed nice poise in the pocket but there were times he didn’t trust his arm at all in fear of getting intercepted , I mean why would you be so scared of throwing picks in Pre-season game
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pryor is a 23 year old rookie he is supposed to make mistakes. pryor is well aware of the critics that said he cant read a defense or pass accurately so he was a bit tentative making certain to avoid the big interception. i can live with that, it is better than being wreckless and throwing picks.
palmer is a 10 year vet and should never throw bone headed picks in pre season vs a vanilla defense.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
116. Exactly.. Cp3 has to look off that safety.. Or check down. Manage the game….
August 14th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I’m way less pissed about Ford not making a play for Palmer’s overthrown ball than I am about Ford jogging after Sensabaugh as he returned it to the 40.
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Truth!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
The biggest mistake by Reggie McKenzie so far is hiring Dennis Allen instead of Mistic1. He has all the answers.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Pryor struggled to complete 50% of his passes vs USC, Miami, Penn St., Iowa, and Wisconsin – you know, REAL defenses in college.
What we’re seeing in his 2nd season is no different than what he’s always been.
Call it what it is, not what you project in your biased dreams.
SO MANY more important things to discuss than a 3RD STRING QB who will be cut by next summer.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
lol Mark’s Hair
you want a QB to worry about “managing” the 10 measly plays he’s going to be in? So you were uber impressed with Leinert huh?
Dude, it’s pre-season week 1, take some shots, find out what your little midget receiver can do, learn, and move on.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Ford can be the kick returner. As a receiver, I would prefer something else.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Im more concerned with our lack of backup Ts..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Former Buccaneers defensive tackle Myles Wade is working out for the Raiders tomorrow, according to a league source
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Impressive kid. Could be an interesting addition.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
67.alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
If our defense wasn’t embarrassing last year, we beat the Lions and Chargers at the end of the year, giving Palmer a 6-3 record despite not having a pre-season or running game.
Palmer should have been 6-3, except for our D.
What are we arguing about? Is Mistic just a troll?
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The lousy Defense last year cost us a 2nd win versus Denver at home also.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Hilarious that Gruden called 55 Ronaldo.
99, is that you????
August 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
144. He throws deep to smurf everyday in practice.. The seasons only a few weeks away.. YES I want cp3 to learn how to manage the game..Aka cut back on ints…
August 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Pryor struggled to complete 50% of his passes vs USC, Miami, Penn St., Iowa, and Wisconsin – you know, REAL defenses in college.
What we’re seeing in his 2nd season is no different than what he’s always been.
Call it what it is, not what you project in your biased dreams.
SO MANY more important things to discuss than a 3RD STRING QB who will be cut by next summer.
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Agree on the 3rd string discussion subject….disagree on the ‘cut by next summer’ bit….but we’ll see.I’m sure you will remind me if you’re correct on this one.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Ford needs to be used on screens out of the backfield and on bubble screens, reverses and on 20 yard comeback routes and stop and go routes.
Fly routes….no.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
The lack of depth at OL, CB, OLB, and DE is pretty concerning to me.
Bergstrom can back up at both OG spots… but what about C and OT? Barksdale has not looked very good, but might get that spot by default. Don’t know what to think about Parsons yet.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I hope there is some stupid GM out there that will take Ford in exchange for a decent running back.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
– Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
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DA might want to stick to coaching defense.
It wasn’t a double coverage situation ? Really ?
What kind of BS game of semantics are we playing here ?
What was it ? Single coverage with Safety help ? LMAO.
Bottom line: At the point JF would have had to catch the ball he was draped by TWO defenders. TWO, as in DOUBLED.
I don’t care what DA says – TIM Palmer made a mistake throwing that pass. You do NOT throw into that coverage without having looked the Safety off. You’re a veteran QB, you see the coverage, you look elsewhere. You throw it away. You check down. Heck, even taking a sack is preferable to throwing the pick.
You do NOT gamble on squeezing that pass in or on Ford outfighting two defenders. Especially not from midfield on first down.
DA is either an idiot or full of crap if he’s saying he’d like to see TIM ‘take the same shot in that situation again’.
DA should be chewing TIM out, instead of coddling him or trying to justify that throw.
I couldn’t stand Jason Cantball bcz he was gutless and would never take a risk. I understand the necessity to take prudent risks and appreciate the gunslinger mentality. It’s pre-season and I’m not going to overreact.
But I’m telling you, the Raids have got to nip TIM in the bud. Otherwise, it’s going to cost us a game or two and destroy any hope for 2012.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Nobody says “its only preseason.. Why not commit penalties because we can.” Why should we throw balls to safetys just because its preseason?
August 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Good to see you back YA,
Always enjoy your comments.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
131.J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
LOL @ the ball went through Ford’s hands.
We are talking about the Palmer pick, right?
The S was behind Ford and it went right in his hands while he was running towards the sidelines.
Palmer will be fine, but that was a sequence that could have been better by simply looking off the S, or taking a little bit off it.
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Or just by doing a pump fake. Knapp, DiFillipp or Saunders need to remind Palmer to make a pump fake or look the safety off before throwing that deep ball when the play call was made.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
MH … I believe it comes under the heading of….’live by the sword….die by the sword’.I for one am just hella happy to have a QB that can play that way.Been a hell of a long time.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
153. Wiz hardly played, so id say parsons did ok.. But barks, wang & the others stank.. I did see bergs handle a guy a couple times..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RAIDERMAN99, you are truly deluded. What a bunch of crap.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Trade Ford for a Saab!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Twinkle.. Truth.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Good to see you back YA,
Always enjoy your comments.
……..
Myself also.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Ford jogging after Sensabaugh
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Sorta like Ronaldo “jogging” in Buffalo last year, eh?
The guy ran full speed after him until he Sensabaugh went into a crowd of Raiders, THEN he went into jog mode.
Cmon YA. You guys are being perfectionists.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
lol Mystic, ok, you’re officially on troll status.
Pryor 8 completions 50 yards
Cam (pre-season debut, 2011) 8 completions, 113 yards.
No difference????
What was Cam doing 2 months into his NFL career?
Pryor is in his 10th.
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Need to remember, Cam did it with the 1st team…TP on the other hand… did it with guys who aren’t gonna make the team!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
DMAC is the only player that can carry the offense in this Raider team. How ever he goes so does the team.
Palmer and Leinart are worthless, and Pryor is definitely not ready, and he won’t get the necessary reps to improve his game.
Palmer is just Palmer, he’ll never be anything in this league, a mediocre player at best. He can talk all he wants, and of course, coach and RegMac can say all they want, but to expect Palmer to be an elite Qb and carry the team, that will never happen. Palmer is the loser with the golden arm.
Leinart is just a bust, what a shame and waste of potential, if he ever had it. Here you have two SC Trojan Heismen, and they’re both worthless in the NFL.
Pryor is definitely a mile away from the curb. Who knows what his future will bring, but unless something drastic happens, he’s not getting any reps in practice or a chance to develop his game like the rest of the young Qbs will get theirs.
The defense looked definitely alive, and hopefully can keep the team in games, however given what we saw in the first preseason game, this Raider team will not get very far.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Anyone notice DHB was lined up as a slot WR for his only catch?
LOVE that!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Im gonna have to start calling cp3 tin cup..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
I want to see at least one TD from Knapp and the 1st team offense next game and NO turovers or stupid penalties that kill drives.
This team needs to be focused on the road in AZ Friday and ready to play smart and hard.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Myles Wade Pro day;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWy-nfEjfC8
Report
tampa-bay-buccaneers-sign-dt-myles-wade-per-report
August 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
If Ford was a real receiver, Palmers throw would have won the game.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Hilarious that Gruden called 55 Ronaldo.
99, is that you????
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Did he actually do that ?
LMAO.
If he starts calling him Slo or McCheese, we’ll know he’s reading this blog.
Used to post at another forum when Gruden was coaching the Raids. Gruden’s mom would post there once in a while. Lechler’s mom too. Pretty sure they’d tell their boys about what the Nation was saying and thinking.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
DVD is the first team gunner.
VERY smart to put him there for his development, imo.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
168. Id like to move our wrs anround and spread the ball all over.. 7-8 targets a game.. Keep em guessing.. Take whats open..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
The lack of depth at OL, CB, OLB, and DE is pretty concerning to me.
Bergstrom can back up at both OG spots… but what about C and OT? Barksdale has not looked very good, but might get that spot by default. Don’t know what to think about Parsons yet.
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Barksdale was very slow yesterday. He appears to be better suited, skill-wise, at guard. He couldn’t keep up with fast rushers. They just ran around him. We need someone solid at backup center. Parsons may be OK. Haslam was absolutely terrible as was Wang.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Twinnkle
our GM was with the Packers for over a decade.
Can you recall a single Packers backup QB being the athletic/non-passer type?
Pryor is not McKenzie’s type. Mac and the Packers always groomed pocket passers.
Pryor will be gone in the next 24 months as they continue to get rid of Al’s unproductive athletes.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Romac looked like this was his 3rd yr. So that was good..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
(I am dancing)
August 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
The guy ran full speed after him until he Sensabaugh went into a crowd of Raiders, THEN he went into jog mode.
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It did not look that way to me. Not at all.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Zopi,
to be fair, Palmer carried the Raiders for 3 wins in a row last year vs the Chargers, Bears, and Vikings.
Without McFadden. He also lit up the Lions on 80% completions for over 400 yards.
I think we have two guys who COULD go nuts any game and carry us to victory.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Klas at the club again! Get it kid.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
J Hill I didn’t see the game but maybe under the new regime…..effort will be rewarded.It wasn’t always that way…..possibly, suffered blindness due to extreme athleticism, speed or armstrength….It is difficult to get a picture when two of you see completely opposing things on the same play…..it’s human nature…. not supposed to be easy I guess.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
CI53 looked good too.. Id like to see him at mlb before goth next game. See how he handles the 2s.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Rewatching it now, 99.
He was talking about Ronaldo being the key to the defense taking it to the next level. Said he was under fire and basically needed to step up.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
CP3 is the best overall QB this franchise has had since Gannon….period!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
It hurts to believe that there are members of the Nation that are so stupid to call Palmer mediocre.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Games on again in 2&1/2 hrs on the jetwork…
August 14th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Ihenacho looked MUCH better at LB than he did with his hand on the ground. OTs were destroying him. Same with Burnett.
I was very, very surprised by how well Kilgore played.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
LHOUSTON was beastin, want to see him get more PT friday…
August 14th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
189.Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Games on again in 2&1/2 hrs on the jetwork…
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I will have to rewatch as well. Ugh
August 14th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Good God Gang Get a Grip: I’m as disappointed as anyone about not scoring any points, but it’s a preseason game. The D looked pretty solid. That’s the thing we were hoping would improve, and it looks like we’ll be pretty solid. The penalties were also a concern, they looked a lot better in that department also. TP looked about as good as he could, considering he hasn’t played a game in almost 2 years. His line also let him down big time. I know Cork doesn’t have any confidence in this kid, I was at last weeks practice and he’d make a good play and Rookie mistake. You’ve got to let the story play out. The jury is out on Knapp also, he is our OC and we’ve got to see if he can get the job done, Reggie believes in him, as does DA and I believe in them. Ford had a bad game, so what–he’s not at this time a go up and get it receiver. Run him in slants and end a rounds where his speed is an asset, he’s a Speed Smurf. Life is too short for all the hate my friends. We’re all in this together, we love our team and want them to be the best. Our teams is pretty good right now, and Reggie has some money to make them better. This is going to be a fun year, I can’t wait until Friday either, let’s kick some butt.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Ford had a horrible game, Im a Ford fan and expect him to bounce back with a big game Friday. With that said Ford could of made that catch that got picked, it went through his hands, he just didn’t look like he tried that hard, he could of played that ball much better Period. If it was an inch to far why no effort to jump dive or something? He was out of it all game obviously. I hope he shows up Friday or he will be sittin on the bench more than he wants to.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Here’s Cliff Branch quote 2 @957thegame — “Jacoby Ford dropped a couple of passes. Normally he would catch them. He has 2 clean up his act”
August 14th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
It did not look that way to me. Not at all.
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Had no chance to catch him. Ole boy took off running before Ford realized that he had the ball, so he had a jump on him.
Or at least that is the way it looked to me when I kept pausing and rewinding.
And I’m a Palmer supporter, by the way.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
The redbirds line is better than the cowpies. That will be more interesting..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
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August 14th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Alex7….I hear you on this but did you ever see Reggie play?He was not your prototypical Raider LB.These guys simply played on instinct and left it all on Millen when
they messed it all up.RM was not in that mold but I doubt he has ever forgotten what it was like to play with ‘naturals’ around and especially behind him.In other words…I doubt he has any set concept of what it takes to be any position in this game…..it is a game played by freaks of nature after all.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
lol Mystic, ok, you’re officially on troll status.
Pryor 8 completions 50 yards
Cam (pre-season debut, 2011) 8 completions, 113 yards.
No difference????
What was Cam doing 2 months into his NFL career?
Pryor is in his 10th.
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cam was wildly erratic in pre season last year i watched every snap he took. people were here telling me he would flop. pryor was like cam leaving the pocket too early and had happy feet, this will improve with live game time.
Im not saying he is cam newton, but he showed decently for a rookie
August 14th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Had to change a word
August 14th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I want a w friday..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Ford knows he had the worst performance; he will step up, catch and fight for every pass.
Criner needs to step up, he’s the fifth WR at best right now which means McGee, Carswell are just a couple practices/games away from taking his roster spot.
There were five WR positions locked.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
The guy ran full speed after him until he Sensabaugh went into a crowd of Raiders, THEN he went into jog mode.
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It did not look that way to me. Not at all.
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Definitely not full effort by Ford in pursuit of Sensabaugh. He was doing the Rojog.
Has to go hard in pursuit immediately and until the whistle. If Sensabaugh makes a move and doesn’t get knocked out of bounds, he goes for additional return yards that Ford would have been responsible for.
Really, really bad night for Ford.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Cork must have thought “fu¢k me..” The second criner dropped that ball.lol corks kiss of death..
August 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
YA one of our bloggers directed me to a youtube clip on Kilgore…..Heysoos…what a talent?He got Tom’s attention on a play or two on the radio…..rooting hard for this kid whom I’d never heard of til a week ago.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Ford will be fine… Palmer will be fine…didn’t see anything to freak about… I don’t think Allen or Reggie are gonna let the team revert back… 1 preseason game isn’t a trend …
Pryors a big strong kid…needs a lot of work… He said it himself.., way to soon to give up on him…….let’s see what we have …
August 14th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Thec Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Here’s Cliff Branch quote 2 @957thegame — “Jacoby Ford dropped a couple of passes. Normally he would catch them. He has 2 clean up his act”
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I believe that puts this topic to bed!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
He was doing the Rojog.
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LOL
Ok, so since the Ronaldo slo-step took so many points away from 55 in your book, is Ford on your “list” now?
August 14th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Reece had a couple nice blocks.. So that was good to see.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
If Sensabaugh makes a move and doesn’t get knocked out of bounds, he goes for additional return yards that Ford would have been responsible for.
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At least we agree on when he went into jog mode.
No chance the S comes outta that crowd of Raiders. I don’t see it as that big of a deal.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
And I’m a Palmer supporter, by the way.
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Believe it or not, so am I.
If TIM gets his act together and plays like a seasoned veteran that understands the absolute necessity for ball security, he can be the best QB we’ve had in years.
If he continues being TIM when the games count, it’s going to wreck the offense and demoralize the entire team.
The season rides on TIM changing his ways.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Lienart with a 20 yd strike to Streater.
All this talk of 5yd crossing patterns was mistaken.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
205.Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
YA one of our bloggers directed me to a youtube clip on Kilgore…..Heysoos…what a talent?He got Tom’s attention on a play or two on the radio…..rooting hard for this kid whom I’d never heard of til a week ago.
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Lefty12 pointed Kilgore out to me when I was talking up Ihenacho. I youtubed him and was like fk’n fk me. I’m now a proud supporter of Kilgore.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
I figured I’d tell a joke to lighten things up a little: There are three old men bragging about their kids
The 1st Dad says mine is a priest and when he enters the room everyone says: Oh Father how are you?
The 2nd Dad says that’s nice, but mine is the Pope and when he enters the room everyone says: Your Excellency or your Highness.
The 3rd Dad says that’s nice, but my Daughter wears 44DD Bra and when she walks into a room EVERYONE says: OH MY GOD!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
SeaPerch
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August 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I’ll start believing the HOF is not an old boys club when
Mr C.Branch,Mr K.Stabler and Mr R.guy are interned and take their rightful in the thing.Until then…it’s just
horsesh!t.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I believe that puts this topic to bed!!!!
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When were his 2 drops ever debated?
August 14th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Somebody show cp3 some tape of gannons pump fake.. All the wco qbs do it.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I don’t have to like a player just because he plays for the Raiders. Even before he was signed I was hoping against it, and have cursed HueSux for life. I just saw Carson a month ago at the Market in Del Mar, believe it, he is a nice dorky kind of dude, but he does not bring to the field the kind of game he’s getting paid for. He couldn’t do it with the bungles, in fact, once again, the bungles got better immediately without him with a rookie Qb.
I can’t blame Allen and RegMac, they inherited this loser and they’ll have to play him and we’ll have to live with a master INT machine, because of all that money and draft choices invested in him. But, as a true Raider fan, it would be foolish for anyone in the Raider nation anywhere to place the hopes of the team on a mediocre Qb like Palmer.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Who was the moron that let the punt roll into the endzone for a touchback when he could have picked it up on the 5, 4 ,3 ,2 , or 1 yard line?
August 14th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Who was the moron that let the punt roll into the endzone for a touchback when he could have picked it up on the 5, 4 ,3 ,2 , or 1 yard line?
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The genius was Chekwa, our Ohio State scholar.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
JHill I don’t believe they were.Course now had this blog existed then…..
August 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
LOL
Ok, so since the Ronaldo slo-step took so many points away from 55 in your book, is Ford on your “list” now?
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Let’s put it this way…the JaJog is being filed away for future reference. He took an important first jog to officially making the list.
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No chance the S comes outta that crowd of Raiders. I don’t see it as that big of a deal.
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I don’t know what crowd of Raids you’re talking about. Sensabaugh was knocked out of bounds by a single defender. Didn’t see a bunch of Raiders near him at the end of the return. Closest guy was JaJogy.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
That idiot was chec
August 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
I knew it was him or DVD, worst play of the game.
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UCLA Raiders Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
The genius was Chekwa, our Ohio State scholar.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
We know one thing for damn sure MistaBrown…..it was not you!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
That would be be Checkwa!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Obviously not, your point is what Twinkle toes?
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Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
We know one thing for damn sure MistaBrown…..it was not you!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Just wanted to join the conversation about the int.
Its just my opinion, but looking at the Play, it was a timing route, with Palmer and the WR that was just a tad bit off. I fault Palmer for throwing the ball, but to say it was in double coverage is incorrect, the safety arrived at the right time and overplayed the ball and fortunate for him, the ball was over thrown.
I do think Ford could have made a better effort on the ball, and i expect more from him in regards of creating separation of the line, being that he is track star.
Also i have no doubt in my mind that if DHB was running that route, that it would have been atleast deflected, just based on his height and length. So Palmer should have considered his personal a little better more on that pass.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I don’t know what crowd of Raids you’re talking about. Sensabaugh was knocked out of bounds by a single defender. Didn’t see a bunch of Raiders near him at the end of the return. Closest guy was JaJogy
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Was it Reece who knocked him out of bounds?
August 14th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
DaTruth, that ball was not over thrown. Ford acts like there is no safety’s on the field for Dallas and didn’t go after the ball like he should. Palmer could have looked off the safety and gave him a pump but Ford has to have the attitude when that ball is in the air that MFK’r is mine!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
And the hype around DVD this offseason had me so happy, only to be put down be a below average defensive performance.
I dont trust him to make a tackle, i dont trust him to grab an easy interception and i dont think he has the mentality of a starting CB in the League. ( i.e. he is afraid of contact)
August 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
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August 14th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
zopi Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I don’t have to like a player just because he plays for the Raiders. Even before he was signed I was hoping against it, and have cursed HueSux for life. I just saw Carson a month ago at the Market in Del Mar, believe it, he is a nice dorky kind of dude, but he does not bring to the field the kind of game he’s getting paid for. He couldn’t do it with the bungles, in fact, once again, the bungles got better immediately without him with a rookie Qb.
I can’t blame Allen and RegMac, they inherited this loser and they’ll have to play him and we’ll have to live with a master INT machine, because of all that money and draft choices invested in him. But, as a true Raider fan, it would be foolish for anyone in the Raider nation anywhere to place the hopes of the team on a mediocre Qb like Palmer.
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Zopi
On this I will have to disagree…..firstly…what was
our alternative?
Huejax did what had to be done IMO.
secondly…..what would you have done in Huejax’s position?
IMO…CP gives us a shot whereas the alternatives don’t.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
@ MistaBrown
The difference between an overthrown ball an interception and a completion is less than half a foot. I agree that Ford needs to fight for the ball, but i also think Palmer shouldn’t throw the ball, knowing he has a smaller WR out there. Its such a small window that even if he looks of the safety, the pass is mostly likely incomplete
August 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
MistaBrown my point would be….that we are a very young football team…(60 out of 88 are 25 or under)…kids are going to make mistakes.Not what we wanted for sure but it is what we got.Chekwa was at least out there giving it a shot….it’s a brutal way to try and make a living and coming up short does not require our derision
especially if we are sitting on our fat a$$es and watching it pan out on TV.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
If the ball hit both his hands it was not over thrown. Thats a simple fact! If the ball landed 3 yards down field and Ford had no chance then we both are in agreement it was over thrown.
smh
August 14th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
My take on the Palmer int. is just this:
A good receiver would have made the play or at least prevented an interception.
Ford didn’t do either.
Ford thinks he is better than he really is.
He is not fooling Allen and McKenzie.
Ford will be replaced. It may not be this year (he is a good kick returner.)
Ford has skills but he is not a winner.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Its just my opinion, but looking at the Play, it was a timing route, with Palmer and the WR that was just a tad bit off. I fault Palmer for throwing the ball, but to say it was in double coverage is incorrect, the safety arrived at the right time and overplayed the ball and fortunate for him, the ball was over thrown.
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I hear you, but in all honesty I think we’re playing a senseless game of semantics debating whether it was technically double coverage or not.
Bottom line is at the point Ford would have had to make the catch he was draped by two defenders. Since Sensabaugh had the ability to make the pick over the top it goes without saying that he would have had the range to break up the pass or intercept it if it was thrown a step shorter.
You’re right, Palmer should be faulted for throwing the ball. Frankly, I don’t understand why DA is saying he’d like to see Palmer take the same shot again. And that’s not just being a result bettor.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Nnamdi got burned like toast his first two seasons as a Raider. DVD isn’t there, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t going to get there.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
It was a moron play anyway you want to spin it. He aint no rookie hell even a rookie doesn’t Fk that up! Still not getting your “It wasn’t you take”.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
#21 still getting air time on this blog.
I was done with that overrated sissy long ago!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Palmer heaved a meaningless pass downfield in a meaningless game that thankfully didn’t go into overtime. Who cares? It’s like taking the blindfolded one hand granny shot in a game of Horse. ‘Lets see if it falls in”
August 14th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Bob Marley Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up.”
There, Dennis Allen said Ford should have tried to break that up, not catch it, not come down with it but break it up, meaning it was not a good throw, close but not quite.
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That ball was EXTREMELY catchable. Ford didn’t make a break for it, and the safety did. Ford had a BAD game.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I don’t know what crowd of Raids you’re talking about. Sensabaugh was knocked out of bounds by a single defender. Didn’t see a bunch of Raiders near him at the end of the return. Closest guy was JaJogy
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Was it Reece who knocked him out of bounds?
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Yeah. Reece made a nice play. Ford did a half fast job of pursuing Sensabaugh.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I don’t know what crowd of Raids you’re talking about. Sensabaugh was knocked out of bounds by a single defender. Didn’t see a bunch of Raiders near him at the end of the return. Closest guy was JaJogy
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Was it Reece who knocked him out of bounds?
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Yes that was 45.. put a pretty good lick on him too.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
It was a moron play anyway you want to spin it. He aint no rookie hell even a rookie doesn’t Fk that up! Still not getting your “It wasn’t you take”.
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Agreed…if you were listening to Greg and Tom….there was no doubt left in my mind as to what a bonehead play it was.A game changer.My point is….the kid could be starting for us any time soon…he is out there giving it his best shot and as far as I can remember….none too many of us emerge from the snapper perfect….the kid will learn and get better or
someone else will.He’s out there trying and you and I ain’t.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Palmer heaved a meaningless pass downfield in a meaningless game that thankfully didn’t go into overtime. Who cares? It’s like taking the blindfolded one hand granny shot in a game of Horse. ‘Lets see if it falls in”
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Best thing of all….NO INJURIES!!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
182.alex7 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Zopi,
to be fair, Palmer carried the Raiders for 3 wins in a row last year vs the Chargers, Bears, and Vikings.
Without McFadden. He also lit up the Lions on 80% completions for over 400 yards.
I think we have two guys who COULD go nuts any game and carry us to victory.
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..and don’t forget Palmer coming back to beat the Chiefs on the road in a very hostile environment with a clutch bomb td to Moore and the deep lazer to DHB in OT…atoning for his bad game when he came off the bench agaisnt KC in the 1st game, (after being on the couch surfing internet porn and eating potato chips and scratching himself where he shouldn’t and clipping his toe nails and playing fetch with his dog while ‘Dumb and Dumber’ is playing on his TV).
Then…he throws for 417 yds. and a pair of td’s against SD in the finale in a game he did everything possible to win and get us into the playoffs.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I’ll take 0-4 preseason……if we have no injuries.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
If HueSux takes the hit, and rides out the season 5-11 or 6-10 with scrub X, the Raiders go into this season with a better chance to get better for the future much faster, maybe a good chance Hue is still the coach. But, his ego got greedy and stupid really quick. That’s the past, Hue-Sux and there’s another life, but the future with Palmer is not the answer either, mark it down, we got five months to go, and time will tell. Sorry to say it, believe me, just can’t live with another year of mediocrity. The Raiders only hope is DMAC, we ride as he goes, let’s just hope he stays upright for once in his life.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
“Dumb and Dumber” is Palmers all time favorite movie. Hence the reference to it.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I don’t know what crowd of Raids you’re talking about. Sensabaugh was knocked out of bounds by a single defender. Didn’t see a bunch of Raiders near him at the end of the return. Closest guy was JaJogy
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Was it Reece who knocked him out of bounds?
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Yes that was 45.. put a pretty good lick on him too.
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He must have been a bundle of joy for DB’s as a wideout
for the Huskies.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
248.Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Palmer heaved a meaningless pass downfield in a meaningless game that thankfully didn’t go into overtime. Who cares? It’s like taking the blindfolded one hand granny shot in a game of Horse. ‘Lets see if it falls in”
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Best thing of all….NO INJURIES!!!!!
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What about Wiz?
August 14th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
It’s easy to say ‘relax, it’s only pre-season’ in regards to the interception. ‘If you’re going to fk up, get it out of your system now.’
Cool.
The problem is this isn’t the first time we’ve seen tim.
I mean, right from the very start against KC, we’ve seen tim – but that was easily dismissable and understandable.
Then tim rears his ugly head against the Mules and you’re thinking WTF was that ?
If you weren’t extremely alarmed by tim at the end of the first half in GB and wondering what the heck is going on here, you weren’t paying attention.
If tim keeps giving it away, he’s going to doom the Raider season.
It’s that simple.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Palmer heaved a meaningless pass downfield in a meaningless game that thankfully didn’t go into overtime. Who cares? It’s like taking the blindfolded one hand granny shot in a game of Horse. ‘Lets see if it falls in”
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Best thing of all….NO INJURIES!!!!!
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Exactly!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Same cats pushing the jog propoganda, lol.
First 55, now Ford.
Too funny.
There are sooooo many things that happened prior to the jog, that I find it funny the jog can be emphasized.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why Bergstrom was wearing cap in locker room >> Hazing Includes Dong-Shaped Haircut From Carson Palmer – @Deadspin http://deadspin.com/5934754/the-raiders-rookie-hazing-includes-dong+shaped-haircuts-from-carson-palmer
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LOL!
August 14th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
.263 Zopi….You think we could have been even relevant?
We couldn’t have qualified for the ’suck for Luck’ sweepstakes.You think there was an alternative in the draft?The last QB we had was Plunket…does that strike you as a successful history of dealing with this problem?Anyone putting CP and the Lion down had better come up with some tangible alternatives or just STFU.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
AIDERMAN99 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
It’s easy to say ‘relax, it’s only pre-season’ in regards to the interception. ‘If you’re going to fk up, get it out of your system now.’
Cool.
The problem is this isn’t the first time we’ve seen tim.
I mean, right from the very start against KC, we’ve seen tim – but that was easily dismissable and understandable.
Then tim rears his ugly head against the Mules and you’re thinking WTF was that ?
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The issue with picks is sometimes they are NOT on the Q. 2 passes bounced right off the mits of Ford. If one of those landed in the hands of a safety, either next day or next week or late in the season fans are going to say “he threw a pick”. They won’t remember it bounced OFF the wideout. That ball that was picked last night was perfectly placed. Ford effed that up. And Ford effed up two other throws. And a punt return. Time to start heating up the waiver wire.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Bottom line: Palmer’s a gunslinger. He’s going to push the envelope and give his receivers a shot to go up and get a ball to make a big play. Plus, he’s figuring, what the hell — it’s preseason.
Ford’s thinking: I’m not going to lay out and go crazy trying to outfight two defenders for this ball and risk injury — it’s preseason.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
If we score a touchdown on that 1st drive, we win. If we score a touchdown on that drive, we win.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
DJ apparently Wiz II was standing on the sideline watching the rest of the game….the dude is THE MAN and you can bet your a$$ that he wont play a down that he doesn’t have to.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Ford will be fine. Absolutely no reason to abandon one of our most explosive weapons because he played poorly in a COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS game.
Ever seen this guy?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJWCDSmP7ug
August 14th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
No significant injuries. That is great.
But the interception wasn’t a meaningless pass.
I just don’t get people not acknowledging that Palmer has issues with throwing interceptions.
None of his interceptions should be regarded as meaningless.
DA was on the money when he said ‘Preseason games don’t count, but they do matter’.
Palmer’s picks can no longer be disregarded or placed in the meaningless bin.
They matter and they’re a nasty harbinger of things to come unless they’re taken seriously and eliminated.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
.260…RTR Oh hell no…not that nickname…not on this team!!!I don’t ever wanna see a Raider named genitalhead.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Ford will be fine. Absolutely no reason to abandon one of our most explosive weapons because he played poorly in a COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS game.
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True. Everyone has bad games. Criner was not much better either. But Streater looks like a player.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
No significant injuries. That is great.
But the interception wasn’t a meaningless pass.
I just don’t get people not acknowledging that Palmer has issues with throwing interceptions.
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So did Favre. So does Peyton. It comes with the territory.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
That ball was overthrown and right into the hands of the Safety
August 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The guy who I thought looked REAL good was McClain. McClain looked like the guy we all expected him to be. In fact the starting LB’s played very well. Miles Burris had a good game. He looks like a mini Urlacher out there.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
That ball was overthrown and right into the hands of the Safety
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No it wasn’t.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Gruden says it should have been checked down.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Has some players been cut yet?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I just re-watched the play 8 times with my keen experienced eye.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Bottom line: Palmer’s a gunslinger. He’s going to push the envelope and give his receivers a shot to go up and get a ball to make a big play. Plus, he’s figuring, what the hell — it’s preseason.
Ford’s thinking: I’m not going to lay out and go crazy trying to outfight two defenders for this ball and risk injury — it’s preseason.
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This is 100% correct. If Palmer made a mistake on this play it’s the fact that Ford is not a guy who is going to go out and out jump defenders. DHB is that guy.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
LMFAO!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I just re-watched the play 8 times with my keen experienced eye.
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I watched that play from about 6 feet away. Look at another angle.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Has some players been cut yet?
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not yet.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Gruden says it should have been checked down.
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It’s easy to say that as the ball is being returned 40 yards.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Gruden says the play should have been checked down.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RM99….I think most of us get that.The Snake threw the damn things all over the place and he called all the plays.It’s not about the picks….it’s about the wins.
With this group of kids….Geez we make the playoffs…it’ll be a miracle.Big thing we have going for us is the few vets we have are in the positions that score on O and in the trenches on D.We’ll be there at the end!
August 14th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@Kell
http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5984108
Alot of people including DA seem to think otherwise
August 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Gruden says it should have been checked down.
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It’s easy to say that as the ball is being returned 40 yards.
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So Gruden has no integrity, because he disagrees with you?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
If the raiders score a TD, we win.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Big mistake to assume that because the Offense was good last year, it will be good this year.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Same cats pushing the jog propoganda, lol.
First 55, now Ford.
Too funny.
There are sooooo many things that happened prior to the jog, that I find it funny the jog can be emphasized.
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We have a disagreement then.
I think emphasizing the jog has importance.
It starts with letting a ‘jog’ go.
Big deal, right ?
Next thing you know, things are getting just a bit more lax.
Why give a total effort at all times ?
It’s OK to jog. OK to take a play off.
HORSECRAP.
Total effort and commitment or GTF off the field.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Who the hell is Gruden?We had one named that years ago and his claim to fame was preparing Gannon to be Siragusa’s matress.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
If you’re down on Ford right now, please watch that clip from that Chiefs game he took over that I posted at 264. That … is what Ford is capable when it’s for real.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
So Gruden has no integrity, because he disagrees with you?
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Huh? No, watching it live, I thought Palmer made an ill advised pass into double coverage. But I also thought the ball was catchable. Looking at multiple angles, the ball was well thrown. Ford did not make a play on it. The Dallas safety did.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I just re-watched the play 8 times with my keen experienced eye.
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I just wish ford would had the wherewithal to tag the guy that intercepted him at the 5. Then the D gets 3 and out and we’re better field positioned.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Carson must throw less pics. He has shown the ability to make better passes and better decisions. Ford must make a stronger play on those passes. He has shown the ability to make catches on double teams and across the middle. Team game team blame.
I’ll give ‘em until the week 5 bye week to work out the kinks. They must go at least 2-2 (1-1) though.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
If you’re down on Ford right now,
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I am extremely down on Ford right now. He had a bad game. Everyone has bad games. He needs to shrug it off, come back and practice and play well. And if he doesn’t there are some guys like Criner and Streater who probably will take his spot.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
You are blind in 1 eye and can’t see out the other one, stupid old fool.
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KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
That ball was overthrown and right into the hands of the Safety
August 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RM99…if Mr Ford is thinking along the lines you are suggesting he is then you will prolly run into him bagging groceries at Safeway the next time you go shopping.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Just re-watched the play. Palmer probably shouldn’t have thrown it. But Ford probably should’ve come up with it, or at the minimum knocked it away. It was well within his reach and probably should’ve been a TD.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Funny how Raiders fans are railing on Palmer for his pick that went right thru the hands of Ford but the Manning pick was “not his fault” and he was “only a little bit off target…the DB made an exceptional play”.
Go out of your way to espouse the greatness and perfection of the QB for the Broncos but your own QB is an “interception machine”.
Plenty of room for more on the Bronco bandwagon for everyone i’m sure.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Oh and I forgot Ford completely botched the opening kick off return as well. That’s what 5 bad plays?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
That ball was right in the stomach of the Safety.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
The ball went right thru his arms. If he catches it, we win. That opening drive was gold.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Peymour the Troll,
Way to contradict yourself. Into dbl coverage but should have been caught. Way to straddle the fence like the pu$$ that you are.
Was it i’ll advised or well thrown? Catchable but i’ll advised? You and your psycho-babble is astounding.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Huh? No, watching it live, I thought Palmer made an ill advised pass into double coverage. But I also thought the ball was catchable. Looking at multiple angles, the ball was well thrown. Ford did not make a play on it. The Dallas safety did.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
No, The Raiders weren’t going to get Luck or RGIII, but at least someone who could have really tested RegMac prime talent evaluation immediately, not until next year.
Palmer has ridden the apologetic wagon all his sorryass career, if he hadn’t been given all the hype from high school as an elite QB (not his fault), you would say, OK for a NFL journeyman 85% percenter, not bad not great, but not to be paid the kind of cash he gets (as well not his fault) but it really makes whomever laid out that deal and cash (Mark Davis and HueSux) really stupid. And for anyone in the Raider nation who puts faith in Palmer, no worries, disappointments happen everyday.
On RegMac, he has done whatever possible with basically his hands tied down, hard to evaluate him with second string talent, but maybe he found a gem in the rough, again will see, at least Bergstrom looks pretty decent.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That ball did not go thru the hands of Ford. Overthrown, right into the stomach of the Safety.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I know what Ford can do, but he cannot have another game like the last. I have a feeling he will have a great game on Friday. If he has another horrible game I think he could get passed up on the depth chart and he will have to work his way back up
August 14th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
That ball was right in the stomach of the Safety.
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… After Ford whiffed on it. Just watched it again in slow mo. A little more effort from Ford and it’s a TD. But what the hell. It’s preseason. I’d rather Ford not risk injury in that spot than make a great, meaningless preseason play and not be available for the reg season.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
What a bunch of morons.
It was catchable, he shouldn’t have thrown it, it was over thrown but he should have come up with it.
Dumb as Fk idiots!
August 14th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Palmer’s 4-7 was better than Manning’s 4-7 since TWO of Palmers throws should have been easily caught.
Go ahead and take your int. you wanna blame Palmer for…you’re all correct…Palmer is done. Throw in the towell. He sucks. We’re doomed.
But Manning…oh my goodness gracious he IS absolutely wonderful.
I would never suggest he is anything less than perfect.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
It went right through his little baby hands you FK’n FkTard!
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KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That ball did not go thru the hands of Ford. Overthrown, right into the stomach of the Safety.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Well Seymour….he has about two weeks to rectify the problem….don’t see CP getting cut anytime soon.
Anyone got a clue as what is happening with Mr J.Criner?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
302.KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That ball did not go thru the hands of Ford. Overthrown, right into the stomach of the Safety.
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Why are you saying that when you just said you watched the play numerous times?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Peymour Le DOuche,
In 2008, Barry Hussein introduced J Biden as the next Pres of the US.
Pretty funny huh, not fit to be pres right? Now commence with your psychobabble numnutz.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Just rewatched the first quarter, looking for some other things to notice.
First kickoff, MM34 was the guy right in front of Jacoby. He never turns around, two people run right past him, he blocks nobody. Stellar.
On the Palmer INT, Ford never left his feet, barely lifted his arms over his head. We will call it rust, for now.
Backup Center did a pretty good job, I thought.
McFadden’s run was right behind Savage, who shoved his guy about 3 yards sideways towards the sidelines. Amazing job.
Watched the first 6 runs. No chop-blocking, diving at people’s legs, or anything like that.
Reece can’t block for ish, and has a weird penchant for running right past people he should be putting a shoulder on.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Funny how Raiders fans are railing on Palmer for his pick that went right thru the hands of Ford but the Manning pick was “not his fault” and he was “only a little bit off target…the DB made an exceptional play”.
Go out of your way to espouse the greatness and perfection of the QB for the Broncos but your own QB is an “interception machine”.
Plenty of room for more on the Bronco bandwagon for everyone i’m sure.
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The ball did go right thru his arms. I saw it too.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Grader Raider Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I just re-watched the play 8 times with my keen experienced eye.
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I just wish ford would had the wherewithal to tag the guy that intercepted him at the 5. Then the D gets 3 and out and we’re better field positioned.
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Believe that says a lot…..gotta be more about heart
and desire than results sometimes.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
The ball was beyond Ford, right into the stomach of the Safety. Safety was there waiting on the ball.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Grader Raider Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
The ball went right thru his arms. If he catches it, we win. That opening drive was gold.
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this is exactly right.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Smokin Joe! The dumbest VP in Amer history!
Joe Biden in Virginia: “We Can Win North Carolina Again!”
lmfao
August 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
There is no way Goodson should practice or play this week. I would hesitate to play him next week as well. Let him play for DMAC game 4 and go from there. We thought this guy was going to be parylized last week, now they expect him to play in 4 days?? C’mon Man! We’re talking about a mans life here!
August 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Peymour the Troll,
Way to contradict yourself. Into dbl coverage but should have been caught. Way to straddle the fence like the pu$$ that you are.
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I didn’t contradict myself at all. And I would explain that but you can’t understand simple math. You are the designated accepted blog moron.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
The ball DID NOT go through Ford’s hands, only because he is 5′7 and was trying to catch the ball at his waist.
Any NORMAL sized WR who makes an effort for the ball, bails out his QB.
Palmer threw a catchable ball on a bad decision, and Ford (per the coach as well) made a bad play (or effort) on the ball.
Period.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Hey DJ….this room is about the last place on earth to find any semblance of a donkey anything…..never mind a bandwagon.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
No Ford didn’t t lift his arms over his head. Because the ball was out front of him, right into the stomach of the Safety.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Go to Lenscrafters and get yourself some bifocals you derelict.
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KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
The ball was beyond Ford, right into the stomach of the Safety. Safety was there waiting on the ball.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
“Right into the stomach of the safety” KoolKell?
He dove and caught it with his elbows, lol
August 14th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Math????
lmfao
We are talking football Peymour the troll! Hey where is your puppet Klas?
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
And I would explain that but you can’t understand simple math.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Jamista your boy is down 10 points. Election is over before it began. And Ryan is sinking the USS Romney ship. There is an old political expression “campaigns are run the way the candidate would run the country”. And Citizens know Romney has been disorganized, stupid, ill informed, desperate and hopeless. Which is how his presidency would be. Thank God he has no hope.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That ball did not go thru the hands of Ford.
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I think it did. They showed it super slo mo and it smoked his hands. When the qb throws into double coverage the wr has to go up and get it. On any other day Ford pulls that in.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Jamista you are not making any sense. You are foaming at the mouth, melting down and acting like you need to be physically restrained. This happens often to you doesn’t it?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That ball did not go thru the hands of Ford.
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yes it did.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
He caught the ball before he went down. In the stomach, just like DHB.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
I just watched the first half and I thought Reece made some good blocks, actually I know he did.
On the other hand Haslem and Barksdale cannot handle speed rushers, we need our OT’s to stay healthy, there are some damn good speed rushers in the AFCW
August 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Ford did not touch the ball, and it was a good 8 inches outside of his fingers (which were below his shoulders).
I have watched it about 12 times in the last 2 minutes.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
It’s OK to jog. OK to take a play off.
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Don’t think that was the case on either play.
Ford made a pretty damn good effort on that play from the start. Running the route, trying to grab the ball (in some folks opinion), and initially trying to chase him down. Hardly can say he took that play off.
I agree he pulled up instead of “getting in the action”. But he’s a diva WR, not a surprise.
Now if he jogged out a pass route, I could see your point.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
MikieG Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
There is no way Goodson should practice or play this week. I would hesitate to play him next week as well. Let him play for DMAC game 4 and go from there. We thought this guy was going to be parylized last week, now they expect him to play in 4 days?? C’mon Man! We’re talking about a mans life here!
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gotta love the caring nurturing environment.
That said…….we are RAIDER fans!!!!
August 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
realtruraider Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
I just watched the first half and I thought Reece made some good blocks, actually I know he did.
On the other hand Haslem and Barksdale cannot handle speed rushers, we need our OT’s to stay healthy, there are some damn good speed rushers in the AFCW
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The guy I thought played well was Bergstrom.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
He caught the ball before he went down.
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No he didn’t.
His knee was done in mid-slide before he even touched it.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Ford did not touch the ball, and it was a good 8 inches outside of his fingers (which were below his shoulders).
I have watched it about 12 times in the last 2 minutes.
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did you watch multiple angles? Have to watch multiple angles.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
KK Munster, you are the only mental retard saying the ball didn’t go through Fords hands.
What is your malfunction?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Funny, we talk about accountability but when it comes time to exercising some, we hesitate or back off.
Who is accountable for the interception ?
Palmer ? Ford ? Both ?
Blast them both.
I’m not down on Ford. Yet.
I’m disappointed in his play and effort last night.
I think he’s capable of better and will play better.
I’m thisclose to being down on tim Palmer. Not sure he’s capable of turning off the interception spigot.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That ball did not go thru the hands of Ford.
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yes it did.
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No, it didn’t!!!!
The guys saying that npw are Palmer fans who have it on film and are rewinding, freezing it, etc.
AND have the replay from a different angle with Gruden diagraming the play.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
He caught the ball BEFORE his knees touched in his stomach. just like DHB.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Marcel has the instincts of a wideout….played there all his life.Not a lot of that means leading DMac up the middle….course watch every single team we play completely misjudge his outside speed and his soft hands
He is a FB afterall….right?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Lonyae Miller is no Darren McFadden
August 14th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
320.Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Hey DJ….this room is about the last place on earth to find any semblance of a donkey anything…..never mind a bandwagon.
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After the Denver game guys IN HERE were gushing over Manning’s spectacular drive and were vehemently objecting to any suggestion that he looked anything less than perfect…including the int. he had. I recieved an onslaught of criticism cuz I dared suggest that the Manning interception might have been (gasp) HIS FAULT.
No no no. We can’t have THAT. Peyton is the greatest thing ever… how dare me even remotely suggest he is anything other than the exact same player he has always been.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
No, it didn’t!!!!
The guys saying that npw are Palmer fans who have it on film and are rewinding, freezing it, etc.
AND have the replay from a different angle with Gruden diagraming the play.
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Not really. Watching it live, I had the same impression that Gruden had. That Palmer threw it into double coverage. The fact was Palmer made a very good throw and it should have been completed. Even if it is true what JFB says that it was 8 inches past Ford’s hands, on a 40 yard go, that is where the ball should be. And Dennis Allen basically concurred.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
342.KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Lonyae Miller is no Darren McFadden
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I know. He’s better.
(kidding).
August 14th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Lonyae Miller is no Darren McFadden
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No one is. But Lonyae looked good.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The only thing Gruden ever diagrammed was Gannon’s casket.
The West Coast offense works like a swiss watch as long as it’s directed by Joe Montana.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
The Broncs scored 31 pts. No comparison.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Lonyae Miller is no Darren McFadden
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No one is. But Lonyae looked good.
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I missed that part.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Just rewatched the first quarter, looking for some other things to notice.
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What I really want to know is did you notice Slo making any plays besides HittenWitten ?
Slo-mania still in full effect after further JFB review ?
August 14th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Really need to see Goodson Friday.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
The Broncs scored 31 pts. No comparison.
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Kell gives up on Ford, since we all can watch the play and no one agrees with him, and tries a new troll path. Now repeat this about 14 times, please.
August 14th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Peymour the derelict tr0ll, remember this from 2008?
When introducing his running mate, O b a m a said, “So let me introduce to you the next president – the next vice president of the US of America, Joe Biden.”
August 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
DJ let me say it for all of us…..Manning is ROADKILL!!!
Either of the fuker’s.This is one hell of a dangerous DLine….the safties stepping up (and I mean Mr Mitchel)
will be huge.
Manning sucked against us……we were the only team in the league that played man.I hope ‘Visor’ gets it when we play the burros
August 14th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Jamista Clown good to see you took your meds. Problem with the 2008 thing is it’s irrelevant. They won the presidency! Your guys are drowning in the deep end. It’s pitiful really.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
How many times did the Cowboys give the ball back to the Raiders on 4th down, with faked up punt coverage?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Go out of your way to espouse the greatness and perfection of the QB for the Broncos but your own QB is an “interception machine”.
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Phuck Peyton and the Mules. Has nothing to do with whether Palmer is an interception machine or not.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Jamista what do you think Romney is hiding by not releasing his tax returns? That he paid NO TAXES?? That EVEN MORE MONEY IS HIDDEN OFFSHORE?? Why do conservatives HATE AMERICA so much that they can’t help pay for the military or roads and schools?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I’d say, at this point, we’re behind the Broncs & Chiefs
August 14th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
We will all be 0-0 on opening day you numb skull Fk face.
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KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I’d say, at this point, we’re behind the Broncs & Chiefs
August 14th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
MB… Kell dosen’t like name calling
August 14th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
What is Barry Hussein hiding with his college transcripts? Bad grades? Foreign exchange student?
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Jamista what do you think Romney is hiding by not releasing his tax returns?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
lmao
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PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
MB… Kell dosen’t like name calling
August 14th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
MB… Kell dosen’t like name calling
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Oh shut up Dumbass. Have any football comments?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Dumb & Dumber
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Joe Biden in Virginia: “We Can Win North Carolina Again!”
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When introducing his running mate, O b a m a said, “So let me introduce to you the next president – the next vice president of the US of America, Joe Biden.”
August 14th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Plunk you got under the old tards skin without even addressing him.
haha
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KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Oh shut up Dumbass. Have any football comments?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I’d say, at this point, we’re behind the Broncs & Chiefs
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Maybe. The Vegas odds would suggest that.
The InTrade odds that you’re so fond of quoting regarding the election probably indicate that too.
It’s where you finish that counts.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
What is Barry Hussein hiding with his college transcripts? Bad grades? Foreign exchange student?
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His college transcripts? From 25 years ago? That’s more relevant than Romney last 10 tax returns? Are you a MORON??? Oh right, I forgot for a second.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Addressing who?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Peymour, based on your assessment post # 365 Barry & Biden are unfit to be pres & vp, right?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
I was only trying to help..
August 14th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
He’s on first.
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PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Addressing who?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
I’m looking at the Broncs scoring 31pts and KC scoring 27 in their 1st pre-season games.
Not Intrade.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
lol
August 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
KK Munster, do you like Barry Husseins fake southern drawl when talking class warfare & marxism?
mope & change, 2012
August 14th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
That’s twice.. twelve to go..
August 14th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I ask this seriously…
What exactly is the President’s name ?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
KK just because someone does not agree with you does not
make them a ‘dumbass’.PlunkforHOF has plenty of football
comments and is well respected for them….so would you be if you chose not to be be so reactive.I personally agree with many things you say…..just not all.
Part of being human….you can’t have it all.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Peymour, based on your assessment post # 365 Barry & Biden are unfit to be pres & vp, right?
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They ARE president and VP you imbecile. Did you miss something the last four years?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Peymour Le Douche can’t talk about Barry Husseins krap record or how he drove the economy into the ditch so he is fixated on Romneys tax returns….lmao
Romney & Ryan have a worse mess to cleanup then Reagan did after Carter, sadly
August 14th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
I only suggested they are unfit you can read, no? And because you suggested Romney was unfit for introducing Ryan as the next Pres….you know this Peymour so you are talking out your a$$ and psycho babble is your middle name.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
They ARE president and VP you imbecile. Did you miss something the last four years?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Appreciate it Twinkle… GO RAIDERS!
August 14th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
KK Munster, do you like Barry Husseins fake southern drawl when talking class warfare & marxism?
mope & change, 2012
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Jesus…that’s deep….wasn’t expecting the curve ball
….now if we could just lose the superiority gig…
I mean you probably have an enormous d!ck…..lf you get what the hell I’m saying?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Twinkle toes….
WTF
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Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Jesus…that’s deep….wasn’t expecting the curve ball
….now if we could just lose the superiority gig…
I mean you probably have an enormous d!ck…..lf you get what the hell I’m saying?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Romney & Ryan have a worse mess to cleanup then Reagan did after Carter, sadly
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Could be. It’s debatable.
Having lived through the Carter years, things might have actually been worse then, than they are today.
But I don’t think the possibility of an absolute economic catastrophe and financial meltdown was anywhere near what we could be facing now.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Peymour Le Douche can’t talk about Barry Husseins krap record or how he drove the economy into the ditch so he is fixated on Romneys tax returns….lmao
Romney & Ryan have a worse mess to cleanup then Reagan did after Carter, sadly
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Actually the economy was driven into the ditch by the last conservatives. Did you miss something there? You really aren’t very smart are you?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Why in the fuk is anyone interested in what a bunch of lying politicians are saying.If you don’t like it now don’t worry…..it’ll change in a week or so.
Why I worship AD!
August 14th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
But I don’t think the possibility of an absolute economic catastrophe and financial meltdown was anywhere near what we could be facing now.
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The economy is worse off now. A lot of that has to do with the integration of the world economy. In the 1970’s America was more isolated and insulated than it is today. Today we don’t have that luxury.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Meet the new boss.. the same as the old boss.
-Pete Townsend
August 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
KK just because someone does not agree with you does not
make them a ‘dumbass’.PlunkforHOF has plenty of football
comments and is well respected for them….so would you be if you chose not to be be so reactive.I personally agree with many things you say…..just not all.
Part of being human….you can’t have it all.
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Look up and ck where he come into this conversation, and how he approached me. People who respect me here, I respect how I talk to them, PERIOD.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
The DOW is on a 4 year high
The S&P is on a 4 year high
The dollar is the strongest it has been against all major currencies in 3 years.
Wall Street has made more money during the last 4 years than it has since 1952 (yes I have links to back this up)
I myself am voting Independent so I could care less I am just explaining to you all why Vegas has the current president favored by so much.
A lot of Wall Street hates his policies but they like money more so you figure it out.
Vegas odds as of today.
If you bet $100 that the current president will win in November and he did you would win $50
If you bet $100 that Mitt will win in November and he did you would win $162
August 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Say it isn’t so
-The Outfield
August 14th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Meet the new boss.. the same as the old boss.
-Pete Townsend
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hahahaha. I was just playing that on my Martin.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Rather than deal with the obvious I’ll spell it out for you.No I was not hitting on you!You have plenty of intellect…putting sh!t on someone who has different opinions than yours is infantile.A lot of people in here know their sh!t and go to the trouble of providing a line of reasoning as to where their opinion is based.
Does not have to be agreed with for sure….does not need to be shat on either.I respect your opinions when you don’t dis others…..I ignore them when you do.
Hope that cleared up any misunderstanding…Go Raiders.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I’ve got tix to see “Quadrophenia.. and More” here in Reno in Feb.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
The DOW is on a 4 year high
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In 1998-99 while Clinton was in office. Dow Jones was hovering around 11,000-11,500.
Not much of a change in the past 13yrs.
Wonder what happened? Could it be Little GW fkn up everything he got his hands on?
August 14th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
357.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Go out of your way to espouse the greatness and perfection of the QB for the Broncos but your own QB is an “interception machine”.
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Phuck Peyton and the Mules. Has nothing to do with whether Palmer is an interception machine or not.
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Not calling you out on this Raiderman, i’m just saying it seems everyone wants to pick on every little thing Palmer does and I had to endure a Peyton Manning love fest the other night due to his breathtaking drive and everyone saying how his int. couldn’t possibly have been his fault.
I personally agree with DA that Ford should of/could of done something to break up that int. at the very least.
THAT was Palmers lone incompletion in my mind. He delivered the ball just fine to Ford on those other passes.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
The DOW is on a 4 year high
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In 1998-99 while Clinton was in office. Dow Jones was hovering around 11,000-11,500.
Not much of a change in the past 13yrs.
Wonder what happened? Could it be Little GW fkn up everything he got his hands on?
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Yes. But GW was just doing what the conservatives wanted him to do. So he did it. And ruined the country. It is amazing that anyone would vote for those policies again.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
And KK you know damn well that I have had your back periodically.You make a lot of sense at times….sometimes you’re wrong …just like all the rest
……….heysoos h christos I’m still trying to pull slithers out of my a$$ from the Jabustus bandwagon that I was a full blown Ho. cheerleader whatever on.Live and learn!
August 14th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Back to football. Man, did DVD have a rough game. What is good though is how many Raider players played well. Chekwa actually looked good early in the 2nd half.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
If you bet $100 that the current president will win in November and he did you would win $50
If you bet $100 that Mitt will win in November and he did you would win $162
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I like those odds.
I’m sensing the possibility of an upset.
Pretty sure at the very least things will get tighter and I could always hedge the bet when we get closer to Nov.
Seems like a shot at a free bet, if you ask me.
B.O. can always play the war card, use a military intervention or conflict to have the nation rally around him. Makes him tough to beat.
Figure if GWB could hold his own against B.O. in their debates, Romney will fare well. The economy’s a mess regardless of how Wall Street is doing.
This should be closer than most people expect.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
That movie “Idiocracy” is closer to what the future is for this country than what people think.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I’ve got tix to see “Quadrophenia.. and More” here in Reno in Feb.
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You’ve gotta be kidding?I remember you had to have a quad
or it wouldn’t play.It was kinda like a rich and poor thing….then they professed to be Mods…..not…the only real Mod band was….THE SMALL FACES.
Never mind my obvious bios are they all still around?
You are a lucky man dude…
August 14th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I want to see better performance from Ford(not just better receiving , i want him to do something good in returns as well) and DVD (not just coverage only but also the tackles after the catch , he better not let anyone get extra yards after the catch , there was an instance where idk if it was his guy or some1 else’s but there were 3 guys who converged to tackle , DVD was near the sidelines , he should have secured the outside path and made the guy run towards other would be tacklers, but he allowed the guy to run around him towards the sideline and gain some extra yards
August 14th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I’m not sure I get the whole DVD sukked angle. He got beat on a short-to-intermediate throw or two and drew a flag. Overall, the defense allowed the Cowboys QBs to complete barely more than 50% of their passes for about 165 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. I think sometimes Raiders fans have unrealistic expectations for our DBs for whatever reason.
I think DVD is going to be very good. May still be developing this year, but he’s on his way. Great physical skill set for a CB.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
We need to find a guy who can get some yards on a punt return idk what the f is it , maybe its coverage or bad returner, we haven’t had a guy who did well in punt returns since young JLH lol
August 14th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
If you bet $100 that the current president will win in November and he did you would win $50
If you bet $100 that Mitt will win in November and he did you would win $162
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I like those odds.
I’m sensing the possibility of an upset.
Pretty sure at the very least things will get tighter and I could always hedge the bet when we get closer to Nov.
Seems like a shot at a free bet, if you ask me.
B.O. can always play the war card, use a military intervention or conflict to have the nation rally around him. Makes him tough to beat.
Figure if GWB could hold his own against B.O. in their debates, Romney will fare well. The economy’s a mess regardless of how Wall Street is doing.
This should be closer than most people expect.
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Bush and B.O. never ran against one another and thus never debated. Also, Bush was an atrocious debater who pretty much got drubbed by his opponents each time out, except on occasion when Al Gore’s awkwardness would get the best of him. Not sure where you’re coming from.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I’m not sure I get the whole DVD sukked angle. He got beat on a short-to-intermediate throw or two and drew a flag. Overall, the defense allowed the Cowboys QBs to complete barely more than 50% of their passes for about 165 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. I think sometimes Raiders fans have unrealistic expectations for our DBs for whatever reason.
I think DVD is going to be very good. May still be developing this year, but he’s on his way. Great physical skill set for a CB.
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Yes, his coverage skills are only getting better, but i’m concerned about him going up against bigger and physical players he just doesn’t seem like he would bring any1 down 1 on 1
August 14th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Rewatched with DVD analysis as a purpose.
I see what the guys were talking about. Wasn’t the pass coverage, it was his tackling. Missed at least 3 of them badly. Didn’t even get a hand on the guy.
Coverage was ok.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Not calling you out on this Raiderman, i’m just saying it seems everyone wants to pick on every little thing Palmer does and I had to endure a Peyton Manning love fest the other night due to his breathtaking drive and everyone saying how his int. couldn’t possibly have been his fault.
I personally agree with DA that Ford should of/could of done something to break up that int. at the very least.
THAT was Palmers lone incompletion in my mind. He delivered the ball just fine to Ford on those other passes.
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Wouldn’t have a problem if you were calling me out on this DJ.
I respect your posts and opinions.
I have no problem with some vehement disagreements and discussions.
Know exactly where you’re coming from and in the end, we’re on the same side.
RAIDERS, BABY.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
CinNY….I agree….our problem is we got sh!tloads of kids.Apart from our kickers Seymour and Palmer we have no vets (I’m sure I’ve forgotten someone).
How did Buddy put it?……goddamn rookies…..can’t win sh!t with rookies….or something to that effect.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I am trying to figure out where to play Pryor is he is not a quarterback.
Slot receiver or running back even.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Rewatched with DVD analysis as a purpose.
I see what the guys were talking about. Wasn’t the pass coverage, it was his tackling. Missed at least 3 of them badly. Didn’t even get a hand on the guy.
Coverage was ok.
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He got baked out there pretty good. But his coverage skills are very evident. DVD has to learn what every kid that comes in the league has to learn: to play faster. Much faster. Once he does that, he is going to be a very good player. Checkwa actually played well at the LC.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Fair point about DVD and the tackling. We all know he’s on the light side. Supposedly he’s bulked up some from last year though. Hopefully he develops into a reasonably proficient tackler, but yes, could be a liability with that at this time.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
All we can say for sure is that the current roster was not under the tutelage of Mr B.Bryant or Mr W.Hayes.
It’s a brave new world.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Bush and B.O. never ran against one another and thus never debated.
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Spot on. Meant to say McLain. ooooopps again, McCain.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Both DVD and Chekwa need to play atleast 75% of the game in each remaining pre-season game , they need all the practice they can get
August 14th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I am surprised at how well SO MANY Raider players looked. I really don’t care about Dmac, Palmer, Kelly, Tyvon, I am more worried about McClain, the new draft choices and some of the undrafted guys. MClain was VERY good for the few plays he was in there. Miles Burris played well. Phil Wheeler is awesome. Bilukidi played pretty well. So did Dom Hamilton.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Kirk …how about trade bait for the donkeys on a seriously injured P.Manning scenario?
August 14th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Fair point about DVD and the tackling. We all know he’s on the light side. Supposedly he’s bulked up some from last year though. Hopefully he develops into a reasonably proficient tackler, but yes, could be a liability with that at this time.
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It’s not just that , he’s kinda pressing too when he have to tackle ,look up one play on your DVR if you have the game recorded , three Raiders emerged to tackle one guy , DVD didn’t get the whole team tackle thing and instead of stopping the guy right there with 3 guys he tried to take him by himself and the receiver ran to his left towards sideline and picked up almost 5 to 6 yards extra but he will get better , he’s young …we have pretty good teachers on that side of the ball
August 14th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Wow.
Great escape by Pryor, but can’t hit the WR. That would have been a HUGE sportscenter type of play.
Comes right back on the next play and throws it on a line for a 15 yd completion on 3rd down.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Kirk …how about trade bait for the donkeys on a seriously injured P.Manning scenario?
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No! Pryor looked like Eric Dickerson running the ball.
He faked several guys out of their jock straps.
We need to find ways to get him the ball, so he can run. Wide receiver, running back, wildcat, etc….
August 14th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I am surprised at how well SO MANY Raider players looked. I really don’t care about Dmac, Palmer, Kelly, Tyvon, I am more worried about McClain, the new draft choices and some of the undrafted guys. MClain was VERY good for the few plays he was in there. Miles Burris played well. Phil Wheeler is awesome. Bilukidi played pretty well. So did Dom Hamilton.
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I was really happy about the whole swarming to the ball the defense did , there was no room for the Dallas runners , i can’t remember the last time the Raiders D played like that and this was only a pre-season game lol, i’m definitely excited about our D this year
August 14th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
last nights game was like a diet coke. 0 calories.
byt hey, at least it wasnt 55-0
August 14th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Seymour….Wheeler is basically our 1st round draft pick and he came here because of us…..dude is a stud Period.
Fans got him here….we need to be giving this dude the love…..no negative BS.I love this dude….wanna watch someone play football….this man is under no illusion on how the LB position is played….simply reacts…BAM
Does it all without a thought….How to keep him is the the problem?….maybe what they are keeping the $7mil for.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
cant blame this lopsided loss on Mr Davis, can you.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Kirk Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Kirk …how about trade bait for the donkeys on a seriously injured P.Manning scenario?
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No! Pryor looked like Eric Dickerson running the ball.
He faked several guys out of their jock straps.
We need to find ways to get him the ball, so he can run. Wide receiver, running back, wildcat, etc….
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The kid could be really special for us , i don’t really expect him to be a full time QB anytime soon but boy he could do damage from Wild cat , qb Spread options and trickery plays
August 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
just remember pre-season does mean something. did anybody notice the steam loss after the int? i sure as hell did.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Barksdale is not a good player.
Terrible effort by him on that sack Pryor took towards the end of the game. Didn’t even have time to deliver a screen pass????
August 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Rewatched with DVD analysis as a purpose.
….Coverage was ok.
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We all know he can run. The problem is the knack for finding the ball. The kid has shown zero ability to find the ball. You need that ability to be an above avg db in this league. DVD is just a skinnier version of Stan Routt. I doubt RM and DA have the patience to wait on this guy. He’s toast after this season imho.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
.427 hella funny name.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Seymour….Wheeler is basically our 1st round draft pick and he came here because of us…..dude is a stud Period.
Fans got him here….we need to be giving this dude the love…..no negative BS.I love this dude….wanna watch someone play football….this man is under no illusion on how the LB position is played….simply reacts…BAM
Does it all without a thought….How to keep him is the the problem?….maybe what they are keeping the $7mil for.
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Expect our Lbs to be around the ball a lot with Wheeler , Burris (who never gives up on a play ) and improved McClain and they will also be around the Linebackers a lot , Our team is going to love playing for Tarver and Allen , i bet Denver already miss him
August 14th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
.427 hella funny name.
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How is my name so funny?
August 14th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
At least penalties weren’t a major issue.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
hair plug Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
just remember pre-season does mean something. did anybody notice the steam loss after the int? i sure as hell did.
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It had more to do with being shut-out at home than anything else , they would have been alright , even if they had put up 3 points
August 14th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Hate to beat a dead horse but I need to apoligize to the blog.
Just watched the CP/Ford INT frame by frame.
It went through Jocoby’s hands. might of deflected it forward just a tad also.
I claimed earlier that CP over threw Ford. Not the case.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Rewatched with DVD analysis as a purpose.
….Coverage was ok.
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We all know he can run. The problem is the knack for finding the ball. The kid has shown zero ability to find the ball.
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That’s what I mean about playing faster. He has to have a clock in his head that says, one thousand one, two thousand two, and then expect the ball.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RFL,
Thank you.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Why can’t the games always be every 4th day like Friday lol .. I hate waiting the whole week
August 14th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Lakers got D12.. In yo face
August 14th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I think the only thing we can reasonably glean from Palmer’s preformance is he was dead on on EVERY PASS he made…in the 1st series of the 1st preseason game.
The two drops from Ford should have been caught…easily and now we find out that in actuality Palmer threw a bomb to Ford in tight coverage with pinpoint accuracy.
No question about Palmer’s arm or his accuracy, or his ability to throw a DEEP ball right on the money.
The only thing to question is his decision making in throwing the pass…however accurate it turns out it was.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Mc 20….yeah I know…but we are hell bent on taking his talent away from the equation it seems.
Best line on this was a BSPN newsperson asking Mr.D.Williams after his Skins won Davis Cup #whatever
‘how long have you been a black quarterback?’
Mr M.Mitchell said it straight up….’wish I could see him run with the ball more’
6-4…235 Lbs and a 4.4 40 in pads?
No he wont be CP….What the hell is wrong with….
‘if you don’t get him in the first 10 yards then….’
Hell I thought Tebow wouldn’t last a season….wrong again I guess.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Just watched the CP/Ford INT frame by frame.
It went through Jocoby’s hands. might of deflected it forward just a tad also.
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You are not taking into account the angle you are watching.
Watch it again.
The S is a yard in front of Ford and the ball flight never changes. If Ford got his hands on it, no way the S adjusts and catches it.
Throw was probably a foot too long.
No big deal.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Cp3 looks off the safety or pump fakes and theres no int.. His fault. Ford is 5′9 with hit & miss hands.. what did cp3 expect? If the safety played the man ford would have gotten killed…
August 14th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Mc 20 Had me for a sec.#427 post was from a dude ‘Hair Plug’.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
When u think about it, the Palmer Ford thing has not worked out.
SD game at SD, Palmer throws a pass to Ford that he catches..but injures himself in the process and ends being out for a few games.
Then,,,the disaster int. in the last game when Ford fell down.
Now..this 1st preseason game and hwta transpired.
This connection is just not working.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
2 words.. Pump fake!
August 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
How did “what” become “hwta”?
August 14th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
438.DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RFL,
Thank you.
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The debate was buggin me because I was going off memory. I recorded the re-play tonight and figured out how to do the frame by frame thing for the first time.
Ford was covered tight the whole way though, stride for stride. The safety in the middle of the field just behind the LB’s knew what was up and did his job.
It wasn’t double coverage.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Pump fake. Yeah, Palmer should know to do that in that situation. I thought the same thing.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Nobody can accuse RFL of not manning up.I’ll do my best to follow suit.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
When u think about it, the Palmer Ford thing has not worked out.
SD game at SD, Palmer throws a pass to Ford that he catches..but injures himself in the process and ends being out for a few games.
Then,,,the disaster int. in the last game when Ford fell down.
Now..this 1st preseason game and hwta transpired.
This connection is just not working.
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yeah i don’t understand it why is Palmer always force feeding him the ball is there no one else open when he’s throwing to him
August 14th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
441-well the HC said it was the proper decision so you can cross that question off the list.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
It wasn’t double coverage.
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It wasn’t. Watching it live, I was watching Ware and the line play and thought he threw it into coverage. Looking at the tape and it wasn’t double coverage. Their guy made a play, our guy didn’t. That’s the difference between wins and losses.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Carson needs to focus on protecting the ball.. He has Captan Fantastic to run the ball now.. No need to force things.. Trust your team..
August 14th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
yeah i don’t understand it why is Palmer always force feeding him the ball is there no one else open when he’s throwing to him
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Well DHB was being doubled, there is no real option at TE and McFadden is out of the game. You got Ford singled deep on one of Ryan’s weaker defenders. It was the right place to go with the rock really…
August 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Whats worrisome, is that Ford is in his 3rd year….this is when he should be breaking out and shining and taking his game to the next level and trying to earn a big contract.
The team needs him to step it up and take it the next level this year. Team can’t afford to see him regress. Ugh
August 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I know this doesnt speak to any talent, but I dig the super high-top black cleats that Pryor wears. Johnnie Unitas style….
August 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Our 2nd team d really smacked the cowmuffs starters around too..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Right place to throw.. If he looked off the safety… ob would have been fine too..
He gave the safety a choice.. Injure our little wr, or just catch the int..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
You are not taking into account the angle you are watching.
Watch it again.
The S is a yard in front of Ford and the ball flight never changes. If Ford got his hands on it, no way the S adjusts and catches it.
Throw was probably a foot too long.
No big deal.
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I don’t know. I spent 1/2 an hour watching that play. J. Ford is my boy, it’s been a long time since I’ve had a favorited Raider WR. I was giving him the benifit of the doubt but I think he could have caught it.
But…..I only saw it from one angle.
Anyways, I’ll drop it now.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
CP3 should pump faked or looked the safety off before throwing and Ford should have made a better effort to deflect it or catch it.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
MH I realize who the man in the backfield is but the skipper is CP.He’ll (hopefully) do what ever the hell he feels like doing and win or lose I’m good with that.
been a hell of a long time without a QB.
Bo didn’t lose us a game…..All his QB’s did!
August 14th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I am surprised at how well SO MANY Raider players looked. I really don’t care about Dmac, Palmer, Kelly, Tyvon, I am more worried about McClain, the new draft choices and some of the undrafted guys. MClain was VERY good for the few plays he was in there. Miles Burris played well. Phil Wheeler is awesome. Bilukidi played pretty well. So did Dom Hamilton.
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I was really happy about the whole swarming to the ball the defense did , there was no room for the Dallas runners , i can’t remember the last time the Raiders D played like that and this was only a pre-season game lol, i’m definitely excited about our D this year
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I can remember vividly. The Raiders have played lights out defense in the first quarter of over half there games the last 35 years. Its just that the game lasts 4 quarters.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Our 2nd team d really smacked the cowmuffs starters around too..
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Our lst team didn’t do too badly either.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
It wasn’t double coverage.
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Technically you are right.
But Palmer has to see that the S is on that hash and would be in the play. S in the play along with tight coverage from the corner = double covered to a lot of us
August 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Whats worrisome, is that Ford is in his 3rd year….this is when he should be breaking out and shining and taking his game to the next level and trying to earn a big contract.
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Wonder if being stuck out in Napa has him going through Club Hoppin withdrawls?
He likes that puss.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
My biggest concern from yesyerday was our backup olines.. Really weak..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Well DHB was being doubled, there is no real option at TE and McFadden is out of the game. You got Ford singled deep on one of Ryan’s weaker defenders. It was the right place to go with the rock really…
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Dallas was in a 2 deep S set
Gordan and Reece stayed in to block.
McFadden had a delayed release out of the backfield.
Only TWO receivers in the pattern.
How can you say DHB was doubled but Ford wasn’t? BOTH WRs had a S over the top.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
463.. Yeah.. I know cp3 is a gunslinger. But if he cuts back on the turnovers he can be elite.. We dont need any jay shroder throws..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Has anyone mentioned the block that Barnes had on the DB on the bubblescreen to DMAC? I think he is gonna have a big year now that he is back in the ZBS scheme and is playing for his career.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
*LB
August 14th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
466.J Hill Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
It wasn’t double coverage.
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Technically you are right.
But Palmer has to see that the S is on that hash and would be in the play. S in the play along with tight coverage from the corner = double covered to a lot of us
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J Hill, you’ve forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know. I respect your comments and apprecitiate your honesty toward the Raiders org and players.
Someday I will be able to debate with you.
I’m up way to late. I’m goin down.
One fkn Nation
August 14th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Guaranteed if the intended receiver on the int was DHB 99% of those on here would be howling about his inability to adjust or make a play on the pass.
If Pryor had thrown that pass,the WR would also be catching hell.There is an element on here that wants to see Palmer fail.They will point out anything they can to make him look bad.There are also others who will start to believe and repeat the BS those that want him to fail will repeatedly post.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
IMO, Palmer can’t be relying on some 5′9 wr as his go to guy.
Ford has shown he can be an explosive returner. Can’t the coaches just leave it at that at let Palmer toss it to the big dudes?
August 14th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Guaranteed if the intended receiver on the int was DHB 99% of those on here would be howling about his inability to adjust or make a play on the pass.
If Pryor had thrown that pass,the WR would also be catching hell.There is an element on here that wants to see Palmer fail.They will point out anything they can to make him look bad.There are also others who will start to believe and repeat the BS those that want him to fail will repeatedly post.
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so true one guy is constantly bashing him like he stole his lunch or something in HS.. i don’t think i need to mention his name
August 14th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Im watchin the replay.. God I hate that infield… And it looks like the A’s will be in wildcard contention… Beeeww..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Didn’t it appear that if Criner makes that catch out in the open that he would’ve taken it in to the endzone?
August 14th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Im watchin the replay.. God I hate that infield… And it looks like the A’s will be in wildcard contention… Beeeww..
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Not with the way they have played lately , looks like they’re back to playing win , lose , win lose, lose lose, win win and lose
August 14th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
MH-The A’s are done,back to playing like they were in early June.The young pitchers have hit a wall and the bats are once again semi-silent.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Carson can be our savior.. But he needs to aim for perfection. Waay fewer ints.. Practice that rich gannon pump fake and he’ll ne fine..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Pryorwouldn’t have thrown that pass, Lefty.
He would have tucked it down and ran.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Don’t worry about the A’s. They shot their colletive wad in July. It was a joy to witness, but they just dont have the guns to win in a playoff race unfortunately.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Not that that is a good thing.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Im an A’s fan, but theyre not for real.. Id rather they lose now.. Give us the grass man!
August 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
MH-The A’s are done,back to playing like they were in early June.The young pitchers have hit a wall and the bats are once again semi-silent.
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Their pitching has sucked badly since they traded Suzuki , it was the right move but you knew pitching was going to suffer , but it could just the case of too much line up shuffling and pitchers not pitching on their regular days , what ever it is , i enjoyed that little run they had , and they should finished no lesser than 80 wins , which is pretty good considering everybody picked us to win only 50 games lol
August 14th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
As long as I’m pissing people off,many on here were complaining that Palmer didn’t check-off on the play.Many of those same people constantly complain about the dink and dunk offense.A little clue,when you open things up and incorporate the long ball interceptions are going to happen.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Mark needs a new stadium..If he doesn’t get it nobody can blame him for leaving.
Can u imagine if Chargers and Rams go to LA, then SD lures Mark to go there?
How many of u would stop being Raider fans at that point?
August 14th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Im an A’s fan, but theyre not for real.. Id rather they lose now.. Give us the grass man!
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Yes , or just schedule fewer home games early in the season
August 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Ignore post #488. There’s enuff anger going on in here.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Mark needs a new stadium..If he doesn’t get it nobody can blame him for leaving.
Can u imagine if Chargers and Rams go to LA, then SD lures Mark to go there?
How many of u would stop being Raider fans at that point?
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Yes that stadium is ugly why can’t the freaking A’s owner ship build their own stadium some where they’re freaking rich enough and they could sell it double the price .. freaking A’s and Raiders need a state of the art stadium as well
August 14th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Ignore post #488. There’s enuff anger going on in here.
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Yes ignored lol
August 14th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
If Ford caught that ball, he was going to get lit up, so it was a bad play anyway we slice it. Oh well, that’s why there’s preseason.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
A savvy new owner could do alot with the Raider “brand”.
It is a dang shame that a team with such a loyal, widespread fan base..and the coolest uniforms and best logo in the world, with a rich history complete with an almost mythological image, has to suffer with sub standard facilities? NAPA is top notch, but Raiders and their fans deserve better.
The powers that be better realize what they have with the Raiders and the potential for exploiting what the “brand” can bring before someone that does makes Mark an offer he can’t refuse.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
AIG,that was the exact same type of pass Ford made against KC when he bailed out Campbell.But since this was just a practice game he might not have wanted to sacrifice and lay out.Funny part is the Palmer haters praise Campbell for the throw while they castigate Palmer for the same type of pass.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
J,
I’m watching the game (NFLN), and I’m not impressed with DVD.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I still think he can contribute and he has potential, but he is not ready to replace Spencer.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
I feel almost guilty criticizing the good ole O.Co. So many memories and classic games being played there.
You watch the “Sea of Hands” replay and it almost looks exactly the same…and that was 1974.
The glorious ‘76 Afc title game against Pittsburgh, and then flash forward 26 yrs later and the classic AFC title game against Tennessee…
The O. Co has seen some epic battles that are forever preserved in the NFL Films library…and the sound of that “Autumn Wind” forever wafting through the stadium?
Great memories, but…it’s time.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I’m not sold on Spencer who was benched last season in SF, so I want Chekwa or DVD to replace him as a starter.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
The fg drive was dvds fault..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
492.mcfadden20. Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Ignore post #488. There’s enuff anger going on in here.
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Yes ignored lol
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Ha. I would never think of suggesting there’s even the remotest possibility of the “San Diego Raiders”.
(hides head under protective cover)
August 14th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
I liked the 3-3-5 last nite.. It seemed to work well..
August 14th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Time to watch some stand up comedy , would anybody like to suggest a really cool stand up comedian that i can learn something from
August 14th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
503,
Bob Hope or Henny Youngman (take my wife…please).
August 14th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Some people think Ron White is funny…
August 14th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
502.Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
I liked the 3-3-5 last nite.. It seemed to work well..
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Better than the 4-3-3 Bresnahan would employ on occasion.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
503,
Bob Hope or Henny Youngman (take my wife…please).
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Some people think Ron White is funny…
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Thank you bro
August 14th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Jim Gaffigan
His routine on hot pockets is HILARIOUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-i9GXbptog
August 14th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
No prob, McFadden.
You might like Larry the Cable Guy too.
Bob Hope and Henny Youngman are old dudes so u might not like ‘em.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Raiders 5-6 deep at DT:
Seymour, Kelly, and Bryant locks
Cumbie and Hamilton have earned a spot so far
Boluduki still has a shot;
I don’t see any of these surviving the waiver wire to reach the practice squad.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
might as well can it for the evening…tried to post three times but I’m under moderation….no idea why.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
perhaps it is for the word bl@ws…damn I hope not…but the gist of the thing is….I’m really happy to have someone out there that feels he can make that throw in the first place.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
RR…what did Hamilton look like?Sounded like he’s the real deal from ‘homer radio’.Only way to fly IMHO.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Jim Gaffigan
His routine on hot pockets is HILARIOUS
++++++++++++
Gotta listen to the whole CD Beyond the pale.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Mr. Universe is good too, Thec.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Mr. Universe is good too, Thec.
+++++++++
Will have to check it out. Listened to beyond the pale for the first time about 6 years ago.
Its still funny as f2k…
Jim G is nutso.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
YO DUDES HOLLA
just pinched a good one.
HOLLA
August 15th, 2012 at 12:40 am
If you dont know about Chris Hansen, then you should follow him on twitter. Very good writer. @ChrisHansenNFL
Here is a very good article on Streater.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1297564-rookie-report-rod-streater-not-your-ordinary-undrafted-player
August 15th, 2012 at 12:46 am
Watching the game again, focusing on the offensive line.
Bergstrom had a pretty solid game.
Haslam and Barksdale are garbage in pass protection. At least Barksdale looks like he can run block a little.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:12 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:40 am
If you dont know about Chris Hansen, then you should follow him on twitter. Very good writer. @ChrisHansenNFL
Here is a very good article on Streater.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1297564-rookie-report-rod-streater-not-your-ordinary-undrafted-player
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Damn Thats as a good as article you’ll see read about an unstaffed player.. Thanks for sharing
August 15th, 2012 at 2:14 am
Undrafted and ever not unstaffed and see freaking iphone
August 15th, 2012 at 4:14 am
Have had plenty of time to watch/analyze/dissect tape of the first preseason game. Here’s what I came away with:
1. Raiders 1st team offense OWNED Dallas. Sure, Carson Palmer takes a shot deep -personally, I would’ve tried a deep ball to DHB instead, but no matter – I was surprised to see CP3 pulled so early, but I think the coaches saw what they needed to see. More good things to come vs. Cardinals …
2. Raiders 1st team defense SLAUGHTERED Tony Romo. It’s a good thing they got him out of there when they did, otherwise he would’ve been killed. He was able to get away from Houston on that one would-be sack, but then Kelly gobbled him up on the next play.
3. Jacoby Ford – AWFUL! AWFUL! AWFUL! That’s about all I can say, and it’s already well-documented. Hope to see some redemption on Friday.
4. I really liked Streater. He did drop one pass on a potential long-gainer, but he really showed a lot of moxy.
5. Juron Criner needs to understand that even though he has had a pretty good camp, he still needs to focus on catching the ball – that one drop he had could’ve easily had us in the red zone.
6. Richard Gordon’s illegal block in the back probably cost us points. Other than that, his play was pretty much a non-factor.
7. Liked Ausberry. Too bad he only got, basically, one good look.
8. Liked #7. He showed a lot of good things and really moved the offense.
9. I wished we could’ve seen more of Marcel!
10. The Jano kick was ugly; it was a bad hold, off the infield dirt (watch how the ball kind of squibs toward the side). For the love of God, please someone do something about that damned dirt infield!
11. Terelle Pryor – aka “Mr Happy Feet” – has a right to be upset with himself. He was slow to get out of the huddle, slow on his progressions, off on his passes, and that one interception he threw at the very end of the game – WTF – at least give someone a chance to make a play. He reminds me a lot of a young VY, who could make things happen with his legs, but was often too one-dimensional. Oh, and if doesn’t start wearing a moth guard, he’s gonna lose a few of those pearly whites.
12. Bill Romanowski, in his sideline interview, looked like he was on meth!
Overall, the coaches saw a lot of what they needed to see. No need to waste a lot of time with the Cowboys, who are pretty scummy this year. I certainly would’ve liked to have seen some scoring but I’m not freaking out like a lot of the Nation. I see plenty of good things on the horizon, truly!
August 15th, 2012 at 4:17 am
*if he doesn’t start wearing a mouth guard”
(sorry)
August 15th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Twocents Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RAIDERMAN99, you are truly deluded. What a bunch of crap.
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Bingo. At least Im not the only one who sees it. 99 used to have a lot of board cred here but he’s been spending it the last few weeks and been sinking in the polls.
Meanwhile, I like this Twocents cat. Smart posts. He’s currently in my “2nd team All-Pro” contributers here and rising fast.
As for Ford. Ive stuck up for the guy all off-season so you guys know Im no hater of his. And I dont expect him to lay out for that ball in a preseason game.
But that INT was his fault, and these issues go back to last year. There is a rift brewing between he and Palmer and we know who will lose out in that battle.
Ford cost us that preseason game. He could not have played worse. And everyone within the org knows it. You know it’s bad when the old-time legends are calling you out in the press. Raider legends just dont do that.
Ford is on notice.
Im not jumping ship yet… but if he got traded, you wouldnt see me shed a tear. And that is a far cry from my stance on the kid prior to the game. I was a huge supporter. But I dont want some stupid 3rd round pick for him. Give me another LB, a DB, or a TE that can help us NOW.
Part of the reason I find Ford’s antics expendable is that Criner and Streater both look very serviceable to me. Streater looks like he has the potential to have a very long and good career. The similarities in the way he runs to Jerry Rice is more than just the number on his jersey.
Everyone saying that DHB would be getting lit up had he alligator armed that INT are dead correct.
Palmer should have thrown that ball. The Visor says so. Anyone arguing with that should just stop posting here because you are a stubborn idiot even in the face of the truth.
Burris…. Curry is in trouble and may lose his starting job by the time the season starts.
Leinart…. Haters going to hate regardless of what he does. But he came in against the Dallas 1st team D, and played without DMC, and looked very good.
Lonyae Miller…. Not going to make the team. He sucks. Keep a second FB. Schmidt.
Hamilton…. Going to make the team
MM34…. MVP of the game, if we have to hand that out to someone, he gets it. I think he will prosper in this new defensive scheme. I hope we can keep him around for years to come.
Penalties…. too early to judge. Preseason games wont tell us anything. We wont know until true fatigue begins to show its face.
Defense…. Scheme looks good but we already knew that. Lets wait til we see a full game. We as Raider fans all know what 3 quarters of great football look like. Until we see a 4th qtr as dominant and penalty free as the first 3, we need to reserve ultimate judgement. I believe we will be fine. This scheme and the Visor’s discipline should help us in the fatigue area. But preseason does not equal results in this area.
Depth…. We dont have any.
Pryor…. So far he’s shown us three major components of being a good QB. LEADERSHIP (taking the blame for the loss), COMPOSURE (looked poised the entire time in there), MOBILITY (can evade pressure but Mike Vick he isnt).
His accuracy and footwork were horrendous though. Even on his good throws he was drifting with his feet.
He’s got a ways to go but he’s got the time. If he cant show major improvement by the end of the preseason, he might want to think about moving to TE. Ive never suggested that before but that is a position of need for us and he would absolutely KILL IT at that position. There is no shame in that.
DMC…. if he is the most important player on this team than D-Moore is the 2nd most important. Palmer needs both these guys to be the QB he is capable of.
August 15th, 2012 at 5:26 am
Furthermore….
Lets try and examine these preseason games the same way they are being coached.
The Visor and Co. are using these games to specifically evaluate players. He’s not trying to win games or score points or even practice plays. He is ONLY trying to create situations and put players in positions that he can evaluate real game tape on.
Depth is so critical on this team. Whom we choose to keep at various key shallow positions is going to go a long way in determining how far we make it this year.
August 15th, 2012 at 5:47 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
502.Marks hair Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
I liked the 3-3-5 last nite.. It seemed to work well..
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Better than the 4-3-3 Bresnahan would employ on occasion.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
August 15th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Maybe since Ford and Jason Campbell were so tight, he still resents that Palmer is throwing the ball.
Maybe Ford was dogging it a little b/c he doesn’t like the discipline that Allen is trying to bring to the team.
Maybe Ford just had a bad game…
Jacoby was so explosive a couple of years back. If that Ford returns, watch out.
Also on WR, I believe Murphy did well in his first game for the Panthers.
Need to keep watching. Its only been one preseason game thus far.
August 15th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Good morning Nation! Glad coach DA admitted that the drop was more on Ford and not Palmer’s fault. I guess everyone bagging CP3 yesterday were a bit premature eh?
August 15th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Ford looked tentative all game, on his returns as well.
Call it rust, for now, and just getting his legs under him.
Remember he missed most of the 2nd half last year, so this is his first live football in about 9 months.
I will give him a pass……..for now.
And for the love of everything, can you go up and fair catch a punt for me!!!! Quit letting it bounce 7 yards in front of you and then watch it roll 15 yards.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Attn: Reggie
Dennis & Carson both think that JFORD is a p.o.s.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:05 am
RR
LMAO
If Ford gets schooled by Streater and drops balls on Friday, Streater should get the 3rd spot and Ford, possibly traded..
August 15th, 2012 at 6:05 am
I would like to see Goodson, Wiz II & Crawford on Friday night … if at all possible
Thank you,
RaiderRockstar
Semi Pro #887456
August 15th, 2012 at 6:09 am
My plea’s to trade Ford this offseason were fueled by my belief that his perceived value would be at about it’s all-time high.
Buy low sell high.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:10 am
I was truly surprised that Murphy was let go so early into camp. Collective thinking is that with so many other talented young players at that spot, pick up what you can. I don’t know where Ford’s head was at during the game. He got stuffed on a couple of kickoffs with only a half-hearted effort; and that punt return that he botched cost the team a LOT of yards (not to mention the dropsies!) Let’s see if the Visor plans to involve him early vs. the Cards in an effort to help him shake it off, or if he starts going to other outlets. Personally, I’d give all the other receivers more work, and have Jacoby just focus on punt and kickoff returns, for now.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:11 am
JFB
You’re right there, his stock is tumbling fast, and we know Reg isn’t much of a fan of small smurf-like WR’s.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Lou Murph is going to be a fantasy football sleeper of epic proportions this year.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Khalif looked a lot better in the ZBS. Gruden even mentioned so on a couple of occasions during the game. Also, oved Gruden’s commentary on “Beavis and BUTTHEAD” during the game – classic!
August 15th, 2012 at 6:16 am
*loved”
August 15th, 2012 at 6:17 am
JFB:
Speaking of Murphy, I’ll be at the Panthers/Dolphins game on Friday – we’ll see how he does – for curiosity’s sake …
August 15th, 2012 at 6:17 am
I’ve always said Ford is one of the most dynamite open-field runners in the game, and one of the best in the biz in space.
But when your 5′8, you drop A TON of easy catches, and aren’t a precise route-runner, it is hard as hell to get him in space and in the open-field.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:18 am
JFord is the Dante Hall of his time …
August 15th, 2012 at 6:20 am
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Meet the new boss.. the same as the old boss.
-Pete Townsend
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Someone here gets it.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Let me be the first to go on record: I hope we can keep Marquette King – dude really impressed me on Monday night (even had the Cowboys pinned inside the 2, except for a boneheaded touch on special teams). If you have to use up a spot on the practice squad, whatever. I would just love to have him as an insurance policy, and would hate to see him go kick for someone else.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:21 am
If Ford is developing gator-arms, he’d better watch it, cause Reg will find some value in exchange for him.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Re-watched until the 4th qtr last night. Paused the Palmer throw while in the air and then slowed it down to when that safety intercepted it. It did look like a perfect throw and even if the safety read Palmer’s eyes, Ford still could have either caught it or knock it away from the defender. That is just my take guys!
Also, I will give Pryor some time. He didn’t look horendous like some say. Made some bad decisions, and on some of his runs, well, welcome to the NFL, kid!
August 15th, 2012 at 6:23 am
People are putting waaaaaay too much stock into King.
You don’t keep a punter or kicker on the practice squad, that is insane.
His 40.1 yard average on Monday…….would have been the worst average in the NFL last year.
The John Daly of punters.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:26 am
#542:
Beg to differ –
AL was the old boss
Good, bad, or otherwise, he WAS the boss
No one came close to him, and no one crossed him; if they did: out the door, baby!
He was a risk-taker and a maverick
He loved being hated by everyone, but was always fiercely loyal to the Raiders
Saw potential where others did not
Sometimes got burned really badly by putting too much faith in raw talent
There will never be another
Meet the new boss … the same as the old boss?
Archive the tape and put it away
Time to move on now
August 15th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Quote for Today…
“Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending.”
― Carl Bard
August 15th, 2012 at 6:30 am
JFB,
You may be right. We might have chosen the wrong guy. Murphy might have been the guy we should have kept.
When Ford is “on”, he’s dynamite. Way more upside.
But this bad attitude sh1t makes him worthless to us.
Both you and RRS wanted this guy gone and I stuck up for him. I can take solace in knowing that I was as wrong as the Gut was but wrong is wrong. If me and the Gut made a bad call, we made a bad call.
I think we are all in agreeance…..Ford is on notice. Not quite the collective sh1t list, but he’s on notice.
Whereas Barnes is off the sh1tlist and might soon be off notice.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:30 am
#548:
Let’s END our next offensive drive with a touchdown!
August 15th, 2012 at 6:30 am
at this point in his young career, Ford is a hunk of junk
1 or 2 good games. half a dozen bad ones
August 15th, 2012 at 6:32 am
I think the Raiders need to pay close attention to available corners, once cuts start happening. At this point, I’m not sold on Bartell, and DVD reminds me, at times, of the BAD D’Angelo Hall (the one we used to refer to as D’Crap-elo).
August 15th, 2012 at 6:34 am
@Riff
I was hoping that Ford would transform into Steve Smith, but he’s looking more & more like Nick Miller instead
I don’t take pride in being right when players on OUR TEAM struggle. Was hoping I could pull the plug on the criticism and start piling on some praise, like we’re all starting to warm up to #55 McClain
August 15th, 2012 at 6:34 am
@ Tbone
Rod Woodson hit the nail on the head when he compared DVD to Duane Starks.. you’ll see
August 15th, 2012 at 6:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 6:30 am
at this point in his young career, Ford is a hunk of junk
1 or 2 good games. half a dozen bad ones
Yup! He’s on notice because of his drops and his nonexistant fight for the long ball…whoa, all the Palmer haters came on in a flash!
August 15th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Good thing is that many teams could use Ford, just for his return abilities. If Reg were to trade him to a non-divisional team for a bigger WR, go for it. However, I’ll give Ford Friday’s game to show out, if not I can’t pull for the kid.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:40 am
RR
You do realize that we play each other first week of FF.
The market just opened so I will be back in a bit to talk shlt.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Raidertbone Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 6:26 am
#542:
Beg to differ –
AL was the old boss
Good, bad, or otherwise, he WAS the boss
No one came close to him, and no one crossed him; if they did: out the door, baby!
He was a risk-taker and a maverick
He loved being hated by everyone, but was always fiercely loyal to the Raiders
Saw potential where others did not
Sometimes got burned really badly by putting too much faith in raw talent
There will never be another
Meet the new boss … the same as the old boss?
Archive the tape and put it away
Time to move on now
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I agree with everything you said.
Problem is, my post was in reference to the political debate that was going on. My post had nothing to do with the Raiders or AD.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:42 am
the good news for Ford is, he’s only heading into Year #3 (when DHB blossomed) he doesnt have an “out of whack” contract and there aren’t 5 healthy Raider WR’s better than he is or that have more potential than him
I expect to see a much better showing on Friday …
August 15th, 2012 at 6:43 am
If you are up this early in California you are either trading or on crack.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Raider Riff #524. Good post.
I like your takes. They seem honest and without the usual bias of some others. Good conversation starter material and help set the table for preseason game #2.
I agree with you that Ford is on notice. But I’m willing to give him a mulligan and I’ve been a huge Ford fan and hoping it was just one of those days. He’s getting blasted around here as the next JLH, ouch! That’s a hard rep to shake.
One good game and the haters will go back into hiding. Or one more bad game and the haters will cry for him to be cut.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:46 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Good thing is that many teams could use Ford, just for his return abilities. If Reg were to trade him to a non-divisional team for a bigger WR, go for it. However, I’ll give Ford Friday’s game to show out, if not I can’t pull for the kid.
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He needs to have a “bounce-back” game for sure.
But I dont want another WR. We are deep there. DHB, Moore, Streater, McGee, Criner…. we are fine.
We need help at TE, DB, and depth at LB.
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 6:34 am
@ Tbone
Rod Woodson hit the nail on the head when he compared DVD to Duane Starks.. you’ll see
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I’ll take Woodsons word for it. Im not sure why he was let go from our staff, I would have preferred to keep him.
Im not putting DVD or Checkwa on notice yet. In actual games last year, when healthy, I liked what I saw out of both. They can pull it together.
Sh1tlist…no. But if any of you have them on “notice”….I wont necessarily agree or fault you.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Rolando McClain is still on my ‘notice’ list. He’s not gonna get off till I see a full season of bone jarring hits like the one he put on Witten. It’s a good start though, and I’ll ease off him until he gives a reason not to.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:51 am
You do realize that we play each other first week of FF.
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@silver
I saw that and i’m hoping I don’t have to “auto draft”
Smack talk will be coming, even if I have Tebow starting Week 1 – lol
August 15th, 2012 at 6:54 am
The only guys I have on “notice” are 55, Ford and Condo.lol If 55 plays every game like he did Monday, he’s back on the “bully” list.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Riff,
Kudo’s to accept that you were “wrong” but I would say that, that is probably a little premature.
Ford WILL make some plays for us this year, but I am fearful it is only going to be a half dozen or so, instead of the dozen+ we may need to win the division.
But after the pretty good sample size we have now, I think it is safe to say the guy just does not have consistant enough hands to be counted on as anything other than a #3 or #4 WR, and gadget-play dude.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Raider Riff #524. Good post.
I like your takes. They seem honest and without the usual bias of some others. Good conversation starter material and help set the table for preseason game #2.
I agree with you that Ford is on notice. But I’m willing to give him a mulligan and I’ve been a huge Ford fan and hoping it was just one of those days. He’s getting blasted around here as the next JLH, ouch! That’s a hard rep to shake.
One good game and the haters will go back into hiding. Or one more bad game and the haters will cry for him to be cut.
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Thanks 123. I always read your posts as well. Currently I have you ranked on my “All-Semi-Pro 3rd team” squad.
As for Ford. Im with you.
But I wouldnt label anyone as a “hater” anymore. He’s starting to earn the rep that we thought was so unfair earlier in the off-season. The evidence just keeps piling up.
- The 3am twitter posts the night before a game
- The rift with Palmer last year
- Lack of durability
- Dropping easy passes against Dallas
- Getting called out by Raider legends
At some point, we gotta call a spade a spade.
Like I said before, he needs a big bounce back game and he needs it in a bad way. WR is by far our deepest position.
Im hoping for a big bounce-back game.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:55 am
I expect to see a much better showing on Friday …
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Well I sure and the F hope so!!!
That was beyond awful
August 15th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Amazing game huh?
Look fellas….time to calm our nerves…..its preseason for Heaven’s sake….we doing something completely new so to just think we will be off and running is ridiculous.
I’m no big Palmer guy but why is he catching hell from people? Greg Knapp is my issue. After giving a nice dose of DMAC a playaction fake shoulda been called with a TE or WR dragging over the middle…then that safety woulda bit….maybe you get one on one coverage to outside and that doesnt become a turnover. Had no clue why on first down a straight dropback and deep 9 route was called. The FS smelled that because my own grandfather called it when I was at the house watching it with him! If he knew then the safety smelled it before the play started. COME ON KNAPP!
Defense is definitely new..Tommy Kelly did a few good things but dammit what are we really talking about with him? We need him to be a terror all game long…not just the opening quarter. This is a 4 quarter game.
I like how our DBs looked for the most part….few catches occurred but no big plays for the Dallas WRs
Love our LBs…cant say enough about Wheeler and McClain….Burris has some work to do
Streater balled out…I like it alot…My boy Criner will be just fine but he has to catch that pass…was going to go for a big play…never look up the field until you know you has secured the ball man! But for those dissing him and truly believing Streater is so much better is funny.
I’ll give some credit to Hamilton and Des Bryant at DT. Looked very active out there
Jacoby needs to leave them hoez alone. He has never approached pro bowl status so all the hype around him may need to die down a bit and let’s wait til we get a model of consistency from the young man. Those drops are unacceptable but he has rest of month to get it in gear.
Leinart looked OK…nothing spectacular but not alot to dislike…..Pryor? Yikes….he needs work and needs to play better no doubt.
But guys why all the doom and gloom? I wasnt highly impressed nor depressed about what I saw. Sure I was a little disappointed and concerned about a few things but all around neither team played well. First preseason game and I’m willing to bet the next game will look better….all of this will be for naught if we spank the Chargers Sept 10th……
This month of August is about building…and we all knew it wasnt gonna just be given to us because Al Davis is finally not running things. We still got 3 preseason games then cuts then we will know who our final guys are
Give it some more time…alot of stuff theyre doing now is just going through the motions…..theyre seeing what works and what doesnt. All of the complicated things of the scheme hasnt been installed so its a little crazy to be ready to jump off a cliff
EASE UP FELLAS!
August 15th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Good day to my American friends!
August 15th, 2012 at 6:58 am
They ought to throw the first 5 passes to Ford on Friday, if he can’t catch 4 well thrown balls, trade the lil smurfster.
August 15th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Method Man is the voice of reason.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Method, damn good post and pretty much how I felt about the game.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Good day Klas! How’s life in the ice/snow?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:01 am
WR’s are a concern. If you had to grade the group, only Streater graded out well and the entire group was well below average getting separation, concentration, focus, route running, you name it. It looks like we miss Sanjay Lal, and our new WR coach has only college level experience. I don’t know how he doesn’t get put thru the ringer as well, because the wideouts looked unprepared and have the biggest gap to overcome to get ready for the season of any group. Ford himself makes the whole group look bad, but Criner was also notoriously off.
I was surprised to see the WR’s as a weakness, but that’s what they are coming off that first game.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Tommy Kelly did a few good things but dammit what are we really talking about with him?
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Elite interior pass-rusher, average at everything else.
I’ll take the good with the bad, especially if the Visor has got him to stop with the jumping offsides nonsense.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:02 am
TxRaider, life is good over here. Dam vampire chick was trying to get into my house last night, but other than that its all the good.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Vegas…..elite? now you going too far…he is above average as a pass rusher….and he is not average vs the run….he is awful….stop with that lie please
August 15th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:02 am
TxRaider, life is good over here. Dam vampire chick was trying to get into my house last night, but other than that its all the good.
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No worries Klas, we also have vampire chicks in the USA, but they go for your wallet and not the main vein.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Very nice post B!
Well put!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I can’t believe K-Stew is not going to be in the Snow White sequel. That is some bull sh*tz.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I mean the guy is always at the top of DT’s in sacks, going on 3-4 years now.
I will meet you halfway. I will accept your “awful” vs the run, and you can take my “elite” interior pass-rusher label.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:05 am
@Klas
the Raiders 2012 Defense will be tougher than the Swedish Armed Forces !!!
or ummm… Försvarsmakten
print that
August 15th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Criner was surely off…..but thats fine…he is a rookie and some start off bad and some good…but preseason will work itself out
August 15th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Firday we will see better than we can all sing kumbaye and schit saturday so you guys can all feel great about yourselves again….deal?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:05 am
@Klas
the Raiders 2012 Defense will be tougher than the Swedish Armed Forces !!!
or ummm… Försvarsmakten
print that
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Probably. Försvarsmakten is as competent as Storm Troopers (the space kin not the Nazi kind).
August 15th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Regardless of whether or not we are arguing that Ford should have caught up to that long pass or just defended it, coach Allen fairly put the blame right where it deserved to go, on Ford. It’s interesting that Ford hasn’t commented on the game. No “dog crap” statements or admissions of guilt or other accountability. Missing person’s report coming?
Ted Gilmore has to shake this group up soon and get them focused and ready, and Ford has to be put on notice that if he keeps playing like that, he’s on the roster bubble. I love Ford’s game, but if he’s going thru a lifestyle change or enjoying himself too much to put in the work, he has to be called on it, toes on the line.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Friday*
Anyhow yall stay cool…..just popped in to throw my little two cents in on things…..be easy Raider people
GOOD TIMES ARE COMING! Soon you will know what I mean!
Stay Solid
Just Win
CODE BLACK 2012
August 15th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I don’t think there was an overwhelming doom and gloom in here.
That was just KoolKell posting the same thing 80 times.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Firday we will see better than we can all sing kumbaye and schit saturday so you guys can all feel great about yourselves again….deal?
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What is Firday? Is that like the urban slang for Fredag?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I mean the guy is always at the top of DT’s in sacks, going on 3-4 years now.
I will meet you halfway. I will accept your “awful” vs the run, and you can take my “elite” interior pass-rusher label.
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DT first job is the run…thats all I’ll say….I told him that myself so we’ll see….i’m on him and Seymour until then
August 15th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Good post B@uce!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:09 am
That was just KoolKell posting the same thing 80 times.
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KoolKell is the poopy pants personified.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Firday we will see better than we can all sing kumbaye and schit saturday so you guys can all feel great about yourselves again….deal?
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What is Firday? Is that like the urban slang for Fredag?
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Friday is the day the Raiders stomp Arizona. Should be on around 3-4 am Swedish time.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Ok, thanks to the TxRaider! Hook em horns!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Hook em Horns! What kind of animals roam the ice and snow, Klas?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:13 am
McClain has played 30 games in Oakland.
During that time we are 16-14, and we gave up 38+ three times (once was his first NFL game).
Meanwhile, in the two games he didn’t play, we were 0-2 and gave up 38 points both games.
Slo-mania
August 15th, 2012 at 7:14 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Hook em Horns! What kind of animals roam the ice and snow, Klas?
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We have lots of Reindeer. If you go into the Frost Forest, you can find nasty Trolls. If you get lucky, you may see a Yhetti.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:15 am
DET – Weren’t interested in RB Cedric Benson
Source: NFL Network – Jason La Canfora
The Detroit Lions reportedly weren’t interested in signing Green Bay Packers RB Cedric Benson but are looking at free-agent RB Ryan Grant (Packers).
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I just hope we get Ryan Grant before the Lions do!
lol @ Cedric claiming he “chose” the Super Bowl caliber team.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:14 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Hook em Horns! What kind of animals roam the ice and snow, Klas?
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We have lots of Reindeer. If you go into the Frost Forest, you can find nasty Trolls. If you get lucky, you may see a Yhetti.
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LMAO@ nasty trolls…a few of them come in here from time to time.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I don’t think there was an overwhelming doom and gloom in here.
That was just KoolKell posting the same thing 80 times.
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Bingo. Constantly complaining about our lack of production but ignoring the fact that New England and New Orleans both looked as bad on offense.
If he cares so much about what Denver and KC are doing, he’s free to go root for them. He wont be missed here.
Get on board or get the F off. There is no “grey area” when you are with the Silver & Black.
Knapp called a good game. It was more evaluation than anything. Dropped passes and bad holds by our backup punter cost us at least 20 points. That isnt Knapps fault.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 6:43 am
If you are up this early in California you are either trading or on crack.
LOL, no not me…although sometimes I wonder what the heck am I doing up so early! Landed the 5:30AM shift about 4 years ago. Sometimes its really busy, other times its not!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:17 am
BTW: B, good post!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:17 am
DWIGHT HOWARD!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:17 am
I’ll be waiting to see what we have in Goodson and Taiwan before I support the Grant signing..jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Great news! Ikea now has standing desks. It’s a revolution!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:20 am
I;m hoping Taiwan can stay healthy this year! That guy is ridiculous fast! Hoping KNapp can get some plays in with him and Pryor from time to time!
As for Ford, I am giving him Friday! Shake off that jitters young man and ball out like we are all hoping you can do (and not just one big divisional game)!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Goodson been cleared to practice yet? Is he ready to play this Friday? How’s Taiwan’s hammy doing?
It’s not that I’m pessimistic, but signing a low cost veteran like Grant who can fill in capably as a 3 down backup RB (similar to Goodson) can’t be a bad thing. Salary’s not guaranteed unless he makes the wk one roster, so why not take a shot? Lonyae Miller is a slug and doesn’t show any kind of energy needed to be servicable at the next level. I don’t even think he’s PS material.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Cedric Benson can eat a big ol bag of d1cks. He’s on my sh1tlist permanently. Im glad we didnt get him.
I wouldnt mind Ryan Grant. What is the issue with him? Durability?
We might need help at RB if Goodson (doesnt pan out) or Taiwan cant stay healthy.
Lonyae is not a stopgap. He has good feet and field vision but he has ABSOLUTELY no explosion what so ever. He gets it into 1st gear and cant upshift.
Reminds me of Lamont Jordan. (boy did I hate that clown).
August 15th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Any body here about WITTEN is still messed up from that hit that ROMAC laid on him, lol. His spleen is fuggged up from the collision. ROMAC is a te killer, he suplexed Keller on head last yr. too. I like where this is going.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:22 am
DET – Weren’t interested in RB Cedric Benson
Source: NFL Network – Jason La Canfora
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@G123
John Herrera is working for Detroit, now?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:23 am
The main problem with Jordan was that he would fumble at the worst times! I mean, its never good to fumble but come on now! Always will remember that Denver game where he was seen biting his towel on the sidelines after he cost us the game!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Hwnrdr, I agree with you about Ford. But what doesn’t jive with the whole “jitters” theory is that he’s in his 3rd year, and partied the offseason like he was an all-pro. I have no problem if the young man wants to party hard and act the stud player role, but he better not have any rookie “jitters” come game day. He thinks he’s special and so he needs to come out and do what he’s done before and prove it.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:22 am
DET – Weren’t interested in RB Cedric Benson
Source: NFL Network – Jason La Canfora
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@G123
John Herrera is working for Detroit, now?
LMAO!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Romac will thump Benson any day I hope he hates Benson just as much as we hate his punk azz.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:25 am
guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Hwnrdr, I agree with you about Ford. But what doesn’t jive with the whole “jitters” theory is that he’s in his 3rd year, and partied the offseason like he was an all-pro. I have no problem if the young man wants to party hard and act the stud player role, but he better not have any rookie “jitters” come game day. He thinks he’s special and so he needs to come out and do what he’s done before and prove it.
I agree! He better come out Friday and prove his “star status”! Just because you’re on a roster doesn’t mean you will be there forever!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Reading between the lines, methinks Jacoby got chewed out for his lack of effort. ONCE AGAIN: Al is gone. New regime, new rules. Everybody is expected to give 100% at all times, even in a BS preseason game.
And if Ford won’t give that 100%, we already know Lightning Rod Streater will.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:28 am
signing a low cost veteran like Grant who can fill in capably as a 3 down backup RB (similar to Goodson) can’t be a bad thing. Salary’s not guaranteed unless he makes the wk one roster, so why not take a shot?
I just hope we get Ryan Grant before the Lions do!
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@G123
I still dont get the Grant fascination. He only ran for 2 TD’s all of last season (both against Oakland!) and he hasnt rushed for over 100 yards in a game since like 2009. Plus he turns 30 in December. He should have just took the Lions vet minimum offer.
I’ll take that guy from the olympics (Jeff Demps?) or just roll with Miller & Jackson thru the preseason until somebody else comes available at 1st or 2nd cuts
August 15th, 2012 at 7:30 am
I’ve been a big time supporter of Jacoby’s game, and he deserves a chance to right himself and make it up the Nation. But he’s got limited rope and few more chances.
And if Ted Gilmore can’t get the WR crew ready, he too should be on notice for his job.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:30 am
@Hwnrdr
you know John Herrera would have issued a response within 10 minutes of Benson’s statement about having an offer from Oakland, even if it was true!!
I miss that guy
August 15th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Didn’t Usain Bolt say he wanted to play football? Oh wait…
August 15th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Anybody else think that right now as we speak, Reggie, Raleigh and whoever else are poring through the other preseason games, particularly the 2nd halves, looking for good young players their teams might try to sneak onto the Practice Squad?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:32 am
guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:30 am
I’ve been a big time supporter of Jacoby’s game, and he deserves a chance to right himself and make it up the Nation. But he’s got limited rope and few more chances.
And if Ted Gilmore can’t get the WR crew ready, he too should be on notice for his job.
I believe Gilmore will! Afterall, he did win position coach of the year for what he did to the USC WR’s! Well, diferent league, I know, but…
August 15th, 2012 at 7:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:30 am
@Hwnrdr
you know John Herrera would have issued a response within 10 minutes of Benson’s statement about having an offer from Oakland, even if it was true!!
I miss that guy
LOL, true! I miss that guy just based on, “Oh I would love to punch you in the face”
August 15th, 2012 at 7:33 am
STOP BLAMING COACHES AND HOPING FOR A MAGICAL SCHEME TO SAVE THE DAY!WAKE UP!IT’S THE PLAYERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM!
Gone are: Mr. Davis, Fox, Ryan,Turner,Callahan,Bresnahan,Shell,Marshall,Jackson etc. etc.
Players are 80% of the game and the Raiders have had lousy players for the last ten years. ESPECIALLY ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. OUR PLAYERS WERE AN EMBARRASMENT.
Reggie will help get it fixed over time but we still have serious problems.
Seymour and Kelly are not producing close to what they are paid.
We got Curry from Seattle because he has arthritic knees at 25. (Think we pulled a fast one on the Seahawks?)
Our O can be good if DMAC stays healthy but we have some very overrated players who do not produce.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:32 am
guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:30 am
I’ve been a big time supporter of Jacoby’s game, and he deserves a chance to right himself and make it up the Nation. But he’s got limited rope and few more chances.
And if Ted Gilmore can’t get the WR crew ready, he too should be on notice for his job.
I believe Gilmore will! Afterall, he did win position coach of the year for what he did to the USC WR’s! Well, diferent league, I know, but…
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There’s absolutely no way I will place Ford’s lack of effort and drops on the coach, he was playing scared out there.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Jeff Demps doesn’t love football though. He’s a track star who conveniently switched alliances to football after the olympics wound down. So now he’s somehow ready for the body blows of pro football? I don’t have much faith and he’s not close to Taiwan’s level of proficiency.
I like Grant because he is a good inside between the tackles runner who knows how to diagnose the ZBS blocking system and can get the reliable yardage needed to move the chains. He’s not a superstar, and I don’t expect anything close to McFadden. But he’ll be serviceable out of the backfield and keep defense semi-honest. Can’t ask for much more than that.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Lightning Rod Streater… Thats the one..i was going with easy streat.. Yours is better..
August 15th, 2012 at 7:36 am
The starting lines were not the problem. The backup d-line was not the problem (still pretty stout vs. the run). The backup offensive interior line (guards and center) was not the problem.
The backup tackles were the problem. Wang completely sucked, and he was by far the BEST of the backup tackles. Unless Pollack feels like converting Barksdale to guard, he looks like a wasted third-rounder, and Haslam was similarly terrible.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:38 am
LOL @ Ford on the hot seat after 3 series in a pre season game.
Murphy????
He was traded for a much worse body of work that Ford’s 1 bad qtr.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:38 am
I was pulling for Wang Chun, but you’re right! He looked crappy out there Monday night!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:39 am
I don’t see the big deal with Benson choosing Green Bay. They don’t have a lead back. He might have another 270 carries this season.
why would he come here and play second fiddle to Darren McFadden if he doesn’t have to?
I understand you guys being pissed about his comments saying they are trying for a Super Bowl (we’re trying for playoffs) but thats true. Still, shouldn’t have been said. Shouldn’t have announced the other 2 teams he had offers from either. classless move and i’m sure neither team will show interest if Green Bay releases him at some point
August 15th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Equally funny is people getting off the hot seat so quickly.
1 big hit from 55 and it’s all good now?
1 nice block on a screen play and now Barnes is a pro bowler????
HUH LARRY US !!!!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:39 am
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:38 am
LOL @ Ford on the hot seat after 3 series in a pre season game.
Murphy????
He was traded for a much worse body of work that Ford’s 1 bad qtr.
I would say so…we all seen what he can do (KC game 2010). I think we all want to see that level of play again, in which I think he will. Ford needs to shut down everything else and concentrate on football right now. “The ball is my friend”
August 15th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Jeff Demps doesn’t love football
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Link? Source?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:41 am
@Jhill
everybody thought that Ford was better than Heyward-Bey until the Dallas game, lol
some Raider fans got sucker-punched by reality on MNF!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Anybody else think that right now as we speak, Reggie, Raleigh and whoever else are poring through the other preseason games, particularly the 2nd halves, looking for good young players their teams might try to sneak onto the Practice Squad?
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I think they already have a VERY good idea who is going to make this team, and who isnt.
Right now they are just deciding the depth chart and after that, I think they already have a good idea who they will be planning on replacing as time goes on.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Equally funny is people getting off the hot seat so quickly.
1 big hit from 55 and it’s all good now?
1 nice block on a screen play and now Barnes is a pro bowler????
HUH LARRY US !!!!!!!!!!
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What’s more hilarious is the idea that Gilmore should be placed on notice for Ford’s drops.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Any body here about WITTEN is still messed up from that hit that ROMAC laid on him, lol. His spleen is fuggged up from the collision. ROMAC is a te killer, he suplexed Keller on head last yr. too. I like where this is going.
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HOLY SH*T,
Guess that’s what “Code Black” was SUPPOSED to mean wasn’t it? Don’t want injuries of course but……
DAYUM ! ! ! ! That’s what I’m TALKIN’ ABOUT. Knock some MoFU**as Around MAYNE
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Streater Named Desire
Rod the God
21 Jump Streater
August 15th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Hwn,
It’s debates like the Palmer throw that have me wanting to hook up with a bunch of semi’s in the parking lot, lol.
It would be a big film review session, lol.
Do they have wi-fi in the parking lot?
August 15th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I’m gone fellas …
Hollar at you this afternnon.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Streater Named Desire
Rod the God
21 Jump Streater
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LMAO @ Rod the God!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:47 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Any body here about WITTEN is still messed up from that hit that ROMAC laid on him, lol. His spleen is fuggged up from the collision. ROMAC is a te killer, he suplexed Keller on head last yr. too. I like where this is going.
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HOLY SH*T,
Guess that’s what “Code Black” was SUPPOSED to mean wasn’t it? Don’t want injuries of course but……
DAYUM ! ! ! ! That’s what I’m TALKIN’ ABOUT. Knock some MoFU**as Around MAYNE
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Yeah man, I knew Witten wasn’t right after that hit. If a person is 55, they have no choice but to unload on a guy Witten’s size. Powww!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:48 am
@Klas
I like “21 Jump Streater”
August 15th, 2012 at 7:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:48 am
@Klas
I like “21 Jump Streater”
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It would be perfect if he wore #21.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:49 am
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:38 am
LOL @ Ford on the hot seat after 3 series in a pre season game.
Murphy????
He was traded for a much worse body of work that Ford’s 1 bad qtr.
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It aint the one bad quarter.
His list of “bad” is getting longer than his list of “good”.
Murphy’s only problem ever was durability. Ford doesnt have that excuse anymore.
When it comes to comparing the two, both have had memorable games for us. Its about a wash. Maybe the edge in favor of Ford, especially due to his special teams efforts.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:51 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:52 am
I break down Ford’s drops as a TD pass drop, a scared drop over the middle and shorter stone-hand drop. All three plays were not what you want from a professional.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Streater Named Desire
Rod the God
21 Jump Streater
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It would be perfect if he wore #21!
Ford is supposed to be that “next” Cliff Branch that Al has always been looking for. Someone should remind Jacoby of that. That is a huge honor to have bestowed upon thee.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Fords hands have never been that safe.. So he dropped 2 balls.. I dont get the surprise..
August 15th, 2012 at 7:54 am
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Hwn,
It’s debates like the Palmer throw that have me wanting to hook up with a bunch of semi’s in the parking lot, lol.
It would be a big film review session, lol.
Do they have wi-fi in the parking lot?
LOL, actually no, but I do have mobile hot spot on my phone!
August 15th, 2012 at 7:56 am
I think I’ll listen to DA on the Ford TD drop, since Smurf made zero effort to catch/break-up the ball.
August 15th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Ugg! My spleen!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Id say cp3 needed to look off or pump fake the safety. The safety had a choice, kill little ford. Or catch an easy int..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Manning is going to get devoured by our front seven and our safetys will lay the wood on him, branch, huff and mm#34. Who’s the back up lol they got no run game now that teblow left. This is our division to own.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Dang ya’ll, I’m reading that Witten might be out for the season, if the spleen injury is as bad as they think.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Witten got Slo-verized!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Romac looks comfy so far.. Hope its the yr 3 light coming on.. Witten may need surgery..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:03 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:56 am
I think I’ll listen to DA on the Ford TD drop, since Smurf made zero effort to catch/break-up the ball.
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Of course you should, as should every semi. Palmer made the right throw and if you follow Vic Tafur’s twitter he already posted a pic today showing that the pass was spot on.
The CB tho was rubbing Ford during the entire route and didnt allow Jacoby position. Great play on the CB’s part.
And Sensabaugh made a great jump on the throw. We need to give credit where it is due.
And lastly, I dont necessarily blame Jacoby for not selling out their. That was a injury waiting to happen.
The problem I have is the subsequent dropped passes and muffed punt duty that just adds up to a guy who isnt focused.
And I also have a major problem with the Palmer haters that want to blame him and STILL blame him after our coach comes out and sets the record straight.
Heck, you even have one semi here who is still trying to claim it was a 2-deep safety formation and that Ford was doubled. Total insanity.
Ford needs to be given a pass on that INT for the most part and CP3 never should have gotten any hate flung his way.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Marks hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Romac looks comfy so far.. Hope its the yr 3 light coming on.. Witten may need surgery..
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Looks like it man, apparently he had internal bleeding..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Holy sch!t I just read about Witten’s spleen from the RoMac hit. Death Ro indeed.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Raider Riff Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:03 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:56 am
I think I’ll listen to DA on the Ford TD drop, since Smurf made zero effort to catch/break-up the ball.
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Of course you should, as should every semi. Palmer made the right throw and if you follow Vic Tafur’s twitter he already posted a pic today showing that the pass was spot on.
The CB tho was rubbing Ford during the entire route and didnt allow Jacoby position. Great play on the CB’s part.
And Sensabaugh made a great jump on the throw. We need to give credit where it is due.
And lastly, I dont necessarily blame Jacoby for not selling out their. That was a injury waiting to happen.
The problem I have is the subsequent dropped passes and muffed punt duty that just adds up to a guy who isnt focused.
And I also have a major problem with the Palmer haters that want to blame him and STILL blame him after our coach comes out and sets the record straight.
Heck, you even have one semi here who is still trying to claim it was a 2-deep safety formation and that Ford was doubled. Total insanity.
Ford needs to be given a pass on that INT for the most part and CP3 never should have gotten any hate flung his way.
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Agreed with all this, just would have liked a tad more effort out of Ford.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:06 am
The CB tho was rubbing Ford during the entire route and didnt allow Jacoby position. Great play on the CB’s part.
And Sensabaugh made a great jump on the throw. We need to give credit where it is due.
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This highlights what is the number 1 fallacy of the sports fan: The other team can never succeed, mine can only fail.
Sometimes no matter what your guys do, the other guys just make a great play.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Peyton and Rivers are big and saavy enough QB’s to not take on too much punishment.
But sissy little Cassel?? Next up on the Slo-verized list.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Id say cp3 needed to look off or pump fake the safety. The safety had a choice, kill little ford. Or catch an easy int..
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A pump fake or look off would have done the trick.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Pryor got some ears on him don’t he. That fool is quick he made the Dallas d linemens bellys all dirty from them diving at air.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Riff,
We also have a guy on here who said Terrell Pryor made “leaps and bounds” growth from his college game.
I guess he didn’t throw passes in college, lol.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Thoughts and prayers go out to Witten, hope it’s not anything career ending. Great hit by 55, but I would wish any injured player well.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Anyone know what time practice is today?
August 15th, 2012 at 8:10 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Anyone know what time practice is today?
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I have no clue man, must be a 220 if there’s no tweets out yet..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:10 am
“Death Ro”
I like it. That is RoMac’s new nickname.
Let the season ending injury hits start piling up now!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:11 am
“Death Ro”
I like it. That is RoMac’s new nickname.
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It’s got a ring to it.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Raider Riff Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:10 am
“Death Ro”
I like it. That is RoMac’s new nickname.
Let the season ending injury hits start piling up now!
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Good nickname, but I don’t wish injuries upon other teams in pre-season, as Karma has a way of coming back around.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:13 am
That would be cool if we were known as the team that hurts a player every game. Break a nose, concussions, roll a knee , crack some ribs, break some collar bones. Fuccck em all I’m a raider no sportsmanship here it’s football go hard or go home hurt!!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:17 am
“Death Ro” How come it took u so long for that one?
I guess it took him doing something to merit it before someone thought of it.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:19 am
“Death Ro” was actually floating around last pre-season before we realized how bad McClain was going to be.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:21 am
“Death Ro” How come it took u so long for that one?
I guess it took him doing something to merit it before someone thought of it.
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come to think of it, that’s the first “REAL” Hat I’ve seen him lay on somebody. He was known for his “Sure Tackling” ability which were missing his first 2 years. Not known for layin the wood.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:22 am
640.Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Streater Named Desire
Rod the God
21 Jump Streater
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Good nickname, but my all time fave is Alexander “if loving you is wrong, i don’t wanna be” Wright.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Im hoping goodys practicing today
August 15th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Man, JaJogy is getting raked over the coals pretty good.
Deservedly so.
I still think Ford is going to contribute.
I still think he will prove to be the Raids best deep threat. DMoore is his only competition in that category. DHB has yet to show he can make an over the shoulder grab.
I still think he’s one of the best KO returners in the NFL. JFB might be correct that rule changes have reduced the frequency and importance of KO returns, but if there’s a returnable KO, I feel very good about Ford handling that duty. His returns have already keyed a few victories.
He’s shown he can rise to the occasion with his great bail out catch of JC against KC and then the long reception in OT.
Ford is a very dangerous person if you can get the ball into his hands in open space. Knapp might be too dumb to use Ford on reverses like Hue did, but if he does get a clue, Ford will deliver.
I have strong doubts about his hands that I didn’t have before. He’s short. His durability is questionable.
There’s negatives to be sure, but I’m not ready to relegate this Ford to Found On Road Dead status, just yet.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Didnt someone start death ro aftrr the pic in cuffs? I thought I read it here.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Riff,
We also have a guy on here who said Terrell Pryor made “leaps and bounds” growth from his college game.
I guess he didn’t throw passes in college, lol.
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No kidding.
Pryor looks exactly like what I expected from him.
I just hope to see improvement out of the kid. I think some of the basic important stuff is there. But he has a LONG way to go.
As do all rookie QBs.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:27 am
I wanted to change my user name after the Stafford incident but I had a strand of hope dic head would get his schit together. Not to mention a real dc, a defensive minded head coach and gm would whip his ars in shape.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Lest we forget….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8kbgEQ1Vls&feature=player_detailpage
August 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Flat Out Ridiculous Drops = FORD !!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Flat Out Ridiculous Drops = FORD !!!!
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Nice one Mike!! lol
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
99,
You see that Slo-Mania has begun with erupting a Pro Bowl TE’s spleen?
Not bad for an “arm tackler” eh?
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Guys, I am willing to put aside all past on field WTF’s and ride with the new regime! I know, I know…some things you cannot fix but, gonna stay positive and drink some silver and black kool-aid today!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
The Raider way!!!!!Oh yeah….Mr Jacoby Ford is very definitely a Raider.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Wow.. Adam shine says cp3 is done.. Gannon agrees.. He mentioned needing to look of the safety.. Ouch..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Flat Out Ridiculous Drops = FORD !!!!
LOL! Sounds like a subway sandwich!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Guys, I am willing to put aside all past on field WTF’s and ride with the new regime! I know, I know…some things you cannot fix but, gonna stay positive and drink some silver and black kool-aid today!
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Could not agree more bro, I’m sippin’ the kool-aid until further notice!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Marks hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Wow.. Adam shine says cp3 is done.. Gannon agrees.. He mentioned needing to look of the safety.. Ouch..
Gannon needs to STFU! Gruden even said that Gannon didn’t really get his real start until he was 34 when Gruden got him to come over!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Marks hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Wow.. Adam shine says cp3 is done.. Gannon agrees.. He mentioned needing to look of the safety.. Ouch..
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Gannon is a puke and is scared CP3 is better than he was. Same old turd ranked the Raiders 25th also.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I think it is tough to call Pryor a “rookie”.
Certianly he isn’t a 2nd year player, but from him being on the roster last year, he is miles ahead of what a rookie what face this year.
He has already recieved an NFL paycheck for a year, probably has his life situation humming along well now, got the playbook with the new offense ahead of all the rookies, and got at least SOME practice and familiarity with the players last year. Not too mention a lot of time with Al Saunders last year as was reported, after practice.
Let’s call this his 1.5 year.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Guys, I am willing to put aside all past on field WTF’s and ride with the new regime! I know, I know…some things you cannot fix but, gonna stay positive and drink some silver and black kool-aid today!
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Hell yeah Hwnrdr! Get your juice on!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Guys, I am willing to put aside all past on field WTF’s and ride with the new regime! I know, I know…some things you cannot fix but, gonna stay positive and drink some silver and black kool-aid today!
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Could not agree more bro, I’m sippin’ the kool-aid until further notice!
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Actually I think I’m gonna think of some concoction to make a silver and black kool-aid…gotta look in my cabinet!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Wonder if other teams’ fans are as hard on their players as we are in here?(Exception of Philly).
August 15th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Hwnrdr
You could add some Jaeger to it for darkness.lol
August 15th, 2012 at 8:38 am
You could add some Jaeger to it for darkness.lol
******
as long as it’s not irish coffee!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Some Captain Morgan black rum or whatever the new version is, mixed with some patron silver gets you your silver and black.
Throw in some lime juice and maybe something else to take the edge off.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:39 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Hwnrdr
You could add some Jaeger to it for darkness.lol
guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:38 am
You could add some Jaeger to it for darkness.lol
******
as long as it’s not irish coffee!
LOL! It may be close to liquid cocaine!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Some Captain Morgan black rum or whatever the new version is, mixed with some patron silver gets you your silver and black.
Throw in some lime juice and maybe something else to take the edge off.
Good Idea!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:41 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:39 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Hwnrdr
You could add some Jaeger to it for darkness.lol
guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:38 am
You could add some Jaeger to it for darkness.lol
******
as long as it’s not irish coffee!
LOL! It may be close to liquid cocaine!
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There used to be an energy drink out of Vegas called Liquid Cocaine, don’t know if it’s on the market still..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I know how to make black kool aid. Just add silver cup & vodka.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:41 am
We all now Ford has hands , trickle back to Kc game his rookie yr he owned flowers and car. Thats cause Campbell was droppin bombs to him, he was taking the ball out of cb’s hands while in the air. He’s a baller and will rebound, show some support we can’t hate on our own.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Marks hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I know how to make black kool aid. Just add silver cup & vodka.
LOL! Good one Mark!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:42 am
McPain!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Yeah, FU*K Irish Coffee……Start drinkin’ that PISS and you’ll consider cutting Streater and signing Chad Johnson…….rediculous.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:43 am
So Rolando really laid the wood..
Witten out with spleen injury..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:44 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Raider Riff Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:10 am
“Death Ro”
I like it. That is RoMac’s new nickname.
Let the season ending injury hits start piling up now!
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Good nickname, but I don’t wish injuries upon other teams in pre-season, as Karma has a way of coming back around.
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Aint that the truth.
In 2000 we knocked out 12 QBs from games and then come the game against the Ravens, Siragusa got his revenge.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:44 am
I think Ford is one of those guys that can make the spectacular play look easy, and make the easy play look impossible.
There are guys like him all over the place in all of sports.
Jason Richardson in the NBA as a prime example. He can catch and shoot 3’s from 27 feet, win slam dunk contests and play above the rim.
And than he pulls up for an 11 footer and looks like Chief from One flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:45 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Yeah, FU*K Irish Coffee……Start drinkin’ that PISS and you’ll consider cutting Streater and signing Chad Johnson…….rediculous.
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Yeah we sure don’t need Chad head-butting any of the beautiful Raiderettes.lol
August 15th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Wow.. Adam shine says cp3 is done.. Gannon agrees.. He mentioned needing to look of the safety.. Ouch..
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You know…I’m getting tired of Gannon. He doesn’t know shlt about this team and feels compelled to comment? Could Gannon even throw beyond 20 yards? I thought AD’s handling of Richard was over the top at the time but I now see he had the right approach. Wish the new regime would ban his ass too.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:47 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Wow.. Adam shine says cp3 is done.. Gannon agrees.. He mentioned needing to look of the safety.. Ouch..
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You know…I’m getting tired of Gannon. He doesn’t know shlt about this team and feels compelled to comment? Could Gannon even throw beyond 20 yards? I thought AD’s handling of Richard was over the top at the time but I now see he had the right approach. Wish the new regime would ban his ass too.
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Endorsed! I wish Reg and DA would have him physically removed from any practice, by Carson Palmer!
August 15th, 2012 at 8:48 am
I’m still waiting on Ford’s “I played like dog crap” statement. 2 days have passed and no comment still. I thought the “New Era” was all about accountability. Ford should own that first game, savor it like a dry fart and ingest all that schittiness into his system and let it rot for awhile. And then come clean and admit he didn’t take his job seriously.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:49 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:43 am
So Rolando really laid the wood..
Witten out with spleen injury..
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Wiiten got Roverized? Wow, JJ can’t be happy.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:21 am
“Death Ro” How come it took u so long for that one?
I guess it took him doing something to merit it before someone thought of it.
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come to think of it, that’s the first “REAL” Hat I’ve seen him lay on somebody. He was known for his “Sure Tackling” ability which were missing his first 2 years. Not known for layin the wood.
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Since when was he not a good tackler? He’s aways wrapped guys up good for us.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I agree TBB. I’m sick of him.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:51 am
I liked our 3-3-5.. Are we blitzing lbs? Safetys? Have fun olines!
Its a set thats worked boise st into the big east..
August 15th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Death Ro? Best name yet for Slo.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Missile Mitchell
McPain
X-Rated
Shownasty
August 15th, 2012 at 8:54 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Marks hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Wow.. Adam shine says cp3 is done.. Gannon agrees.. He mentioned needing to look of the safety.. Ouch..
Gannon needs to STFU! Gruden even said that Gannon didn’t really get his real start until he was 34 when Gruden got him to come over!
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NE drafted Gannon as a DB in the 6TH? round.Traded to Minnesota and rode the pines for years.Got to start in 90 and couldn’t beat the awesome Sean Salisbury for the starting job in 91.Couldn’t push Grbak out of KC
when a 90 year old JoMo showed up and relegated both those losers to the pines again.
The brilliant young Chucky plucked him out of KC for a
song and patiently groomed him as a future mattress for
Mr T.Siragusa.Won’t bore y’all with the rest of it…
either of em weren’t worth a sh!t.
August 15th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Practice time today?
August 15th, 2012 at 8:55 am
McPain!!!
Lol
August 15th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Now-ish.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
99,
You see that Slo-Mania has begun with erupting a Pro Bowl TE’s spleen?
Not bad for an “arm tackler” eh?
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Nice pop by Slo.
Slo make any tackles besides that ?
Don’t recall any. Did a nice job diagnosing a screen, even though he didn’t make the tackle.
Think he can do a good job as signal caller and get things aligned properly.
Still has to demonstrate consistent run stopping ability.
Slo made my schit list with his jogging, whiffing and funeral fun. Virtually impossible for him to get off the list.
But I will be objective in analyzing his play and give credit where it is due.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I think it is tough to call Pryor a “rookie”.
Certianly he isn’t a 2nd year player, but from him being on the roster last year, he is miles ahead of what a rookie what face this year.
He has already recieved an NFL paycheck for a year, probably has his life situation humming along well now, got the playbook with the new offense ahead of all the rookies, and got at least SOME practice and familiarity with the players last year. Not too mention a lot of time with Al Saunders last year as was reported, after practice.
Let’s call this his 1.5 year.
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He’s so far behind in even his basic development that I wouldnt even judge him with the other rookie QBs this year.
Ive had this debate ad-naseum here. Pryor is on par with a sophmore in college right now as far as his development. He’s got so much work to do with his mechanics, that it would normally be a waste of time for the Raiders to develop.
The thing about it is this, no matter what, we are going to have to develop a guy. No QB comes into the league “ready”. The exceptions like Elway, Marino, Manning, and Luck are too unrealistic to expect. We must expect to take 4-6 seasons to develop any QB to be a guy that can carry the team. A la Aaron Rogers.
I give Pryor the this season and next season to make up for lost time at OSU.
And I give him another 2 years to make normal rookie NFL QB mistakes.
He has enough intangibles there to make him worth the development. He mobile, works hard, tough/durable, has composure, and has leadership skills. The rest can be built up with enough work.
Now, as far as the Gannon hate being spewed once again. He’s the best QB we ever had. Y’all need to show a little respect.
And no, he didnt all of a sudden just get good when he was paired with Gruden. He was very good in Minneapolis until they unexplicably pulled a Flutie and pulled Gannon before the playoff game. They lost. KC did the same stupid sh1t to Gannon.
He was always a great QB, he just got a raw deal because of his size and perceived lack of arm strength.
Put his Raider numbers, combined with his good seasons with the Vikes and KC, up against any of the all time greats and he is right there.
Lay off Gannon. He’s an untouchable as far as Im concerned.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Buriss wraps up nice once he got his arms around someone they went down, that’s what we need tackling machines, wheeler is hyper as fugg and I like how he plays. We still need depth though, goethol sux!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Waddup Nation
Rack ‘em
Spleen injury is the word. Internal bleeding. If severe & requires surgery; Witten will be on the sidelines 4 a minute. All from a legal hit. Like some1 on here pointed out after the game & stole the words outta my mouth; our boy McClain is making strides already simply because he didn’t have to body-slam him after the play to inflict the pain.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Why was Gruden pronouncing Criner as Cryner? And called Seymore a kid that bastard is the oldest player on the team .
August 15th, 2012 at 9:10 am
McGee, Goodson, Crawford all practicing.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Why was Gruden pronouncing Criner as Cryner?
How is it supposed to be pronounced?
long i or short i?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Thanks for the update Big Banana, please keep them coming.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Gannon’s talent was his will to win, to pull other players up by their bootstraps and make them better than they actually were.
Gannon was also highly intelligent – a rarity among players today: witness Chekwas allowing the punt to touch the goal line Monday night.
The reason the Raiders lost the SB in 2002 is because AD could not tolerate Gruden’s success, which garnered Gruden more attention then AD. Gruden was released and having created the Raiders as they were then, defeated them easily.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Riff you have your opinion and I respect that.Gannon moved the chains etc etc and was usually in a stretcher by the time the big one needed to be played.
Unfortunately I can’t lay off the guy cos people here keep putting him in the same class as Mr J.Plunket and Mr
K.Stabler (not even going to go near Mr D.Lamonica)The boss booted his arse out of the stadium!!!!
Just my opinion….need to leave this one alone.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Damn I wonder if Chad Johnson’s dog died too yesterday, some bad luck there or karma.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Wang and Cumbie not practicing. Who cares, I know…
August 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am
For frack’s sake: bagging on GANNON? Former NFL MVP Rich Gannon? The guy was an awesome, awesome QB for us and probably Al’s last great FA signing (in the take-them-off-the-scrap-heap-and-turn-them-into-football-gods tradition of Lyle Alzado, Jim Plunkett, Todd Christensen and others).
August 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Gannon made the most of his limited ability and I respected all he overcame to be an MVP type QB. But I’m sorry I can’t compare him to Stabler or Plunkett who I saw in games in person. Gannon is not in the discussion of the best Raider QB ever, if you want to throw Lamonica into the argument, I have no issue. But Gannon isn’t and never was a Raider “great” QB like the others and the way he attempts to associate himself with the Raiders even after he got told to get lost speaks to his lack of self-esteem. It’s hard to respect someone that is always licking your boots like Gannon does to the Raiders org.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Ok, I agree…Gannon was the best QB that we have had this Century so far, but to make an assessment that CP3 is done because he didn’t shake off the safety? Well, he made mistakes as well! That is why I said that he needs to you know what! I respect all opinions in here, but let me have my own, please!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am
739. I care! I do. Any tidbit of NEWS is welcome!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:20 am
guest123 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Gannon made the most of his limited ability and I respected all he overcame to be an MVP type QB. But I’m sorry I can’t compare him to Stabler or Plunkett who I saw in games in person. Gannon is not in the discussion of the best Raider QB ever, if you want to throw Lamonica into the argument, I have no issue. But Gannon isn’t and never was a Raider “great” QB like the others and the way he attempts to associate himself with the Raiders even after he got told to get lost speaks to his lack of self-esteem. It’s hard to respect someone that is always licking your boots like Gannon does to the Raiders org.
Thank you! Now, lets move on instead of turning this into a blog war!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am
And not referring to you, Guest
August 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am
For frack’s sake: bagging on GANNON? Former NFL MVP Rich Gannon? The guy was an awesome, awesome QB for us and probably Al’s last great FA signing (in the take-them-off-the-scrap-heap-and-turn-them-into-football-gods tradition of Lyle Alzado, Jim Plunkett, Todd Christensen and others).
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RaiderDuck,
Hmmmmmmmm well, it seems some of the youngsters in the morning crew ARE a little out of touch with reality.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Since when was he not a good tackler? He’s aways wrapped guys up good for us.
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I guess I crossed “tackling” and “persuit” in the same category. I didn’t see they guy from Alabama out there the last couple years. They Nick named him “Slo” for a reason. He seemed to take bad angles alot, and let guys run by him and get turned into a #55 statue sometimes.
But putting the “Smack” down wasn’t really in his repetouar…..Until now. Hope he keeps it up.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am
But putting the “Smack” down wasn’t really in his repetouar…..Until now. Hope he keeps it up.
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Agreed Ghost!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am
How about the nickname “spleen-smasher”?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Where Pryor is on the developmental scale is kind of a moot point.
Really doesn’t matter much if he’s ahead or behind whatever schedule you want to assign to him.
Let’s assume he’s behind schedule in being able to get a play called, knowing terminology, reading a defense, going through progressions, etc.
There’s little reason to doubt that given enough time he’ll get that stuff down. So, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he will.
There’s no questioning his athletic ability and mobility.
The only real question is can he throw the ball with any accuracy ?
Personally, I don’t think so. But I haven’t seen enough yet to be sure.
If the Raid staff makes the determination that he CAN pass well enough, then take all the time you need to develop him as a QB.
If NOT, then convert him to TE or WR, or trade him if he insists on being a QB.
This determination should be made by the end of 2012, at the latest. There’s draft considerations that are dependent upon it.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Hmmmmmmmm well, it seems some of the youngsters in the morning crew ARE a little out of touch with reality.
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I’m well aware of what Gannon did here and witnessed every moment. Doesn’t mean he should act like an authority on things Raider and make assessments like that. You guys are comparing him to the like of Plunkett. Do you ever hear guys like Plunk, Howie, Wiz, Otto, or even Gruden smack talk our Raiders?
Gannon needs to STFU. It’s not an indictment on him as a player. He just needs to STFU. That is all.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:30 am
“The reason the Raiders lost the SB in 2002 is because AD could not tolerate Gruden’s success, which garnered Gruden more attention then AD. Gruden was released and having created the Raiders as they were then, defeated them easily.”
I disagree if you remember Gruden was soaking in the limelight quite happy about being courted by Notre Dame and lost focus the tema then lost 4 games in a row and had to travel to Boston for a playoff game (Tuck Rule) after that Al knew Gruden was on his way out so he got what he could for a coach that had one foot out the door.
Al’s mistake was not paying Gruden what others were offering him.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:33 am
This determination should be made by the end of 2012, at the latest. There’s draft considerations that are dependent upon it.
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He’s had a year and change to figure it out. I say give him till the end of preseason and if it’s not working out by then ask him to change numbers and work with the tight ends. There’s a vacancy there. If he refuses, cut him and move on. We can’t afford to carry him on the 53 man roster when he provides no immediate benefit game to game during the season. We can’t afford to cut depth at other needed positions to account for him wasting away on the sidelines. We need EVERY MAN to contribute. If he wants to be the QB3, tell him he has to sign up to be a gunner for the priviledge. But HE MUST contribute on game day.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Kind of makes you wonder how you can lose to the Jets, and then come back the very next week and whip them into submission! Brad Daluiso? I heard someone blame him in here a while back…but yes, we should have NEVER gone to NE for that snow job, but it is what it is! Also, not blaming Gannon for that!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Al’s mistake was not paying Gruden what others were offering him.
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Wasn’t Gruden also wanting more control?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I’m well aware of what Gannon did here and witnessed every moment. Doesn’t mean he should act like an authority on things Raider and make assessments like that. You guys are comparing him to the like of Plunkett. Do you ever hear guys like Plunk, Howie, Wiz, Otto, or even Gruden smack talk our Raiders?
Gannon needs to STFU. It’s not an indictment on him as a player. He just needs to STFU. That is all.
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I honestly can’t remember either Howie or Gruden criticizing us much, but I don’t keep track of what either says.
Plunkett and Flores work for the team, so they won’t criticize. The only other former players I’ve heard really lay it on are Marcus Allen (who had a personal falling out with Al), Warren Sapp (who’s a clown) and Phil Villapiano (who doesn’t care what anyone thinks).
August 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Al’s mistake was not paying Gruden what others were offering him.
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Wasn’t Gruden also wanting more control?
Yes, of the roster!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:36 am
No more scholarships. Pryor has to figure it out and soon or move on without him if he won’t commit to switching positions. Don’t see him getting the entire year to figure it out on the sidelines. do or die.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hey, I am a Palmer fan, but he clearly did not look off the safety on that play.
That should be very obvious in the film room, and it should be a very easy fix for Palmer.
Then again, the NFL is full of QBs who lock onto a target and telegraph where the ball is going, so maybe it isn’t as easy to fix as I would imagine….
I was only a flag football QB in college lol.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:38 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Wasn’t Gruden also wanting more control?
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That was a big chunk of it. He essentially wanted GM power, which Al wasn’t giving up. Al’s intransigence also kept us from hiring quality head coaches for the rest of his life, with at least two legitimate candidates (Sean Payton and Steve Sarkisian) initially agreeing to take the job, then backing out when they saw how little control they would really have. I mean, the owner setting the active and inactive lists? REALLY???
August 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am
752.Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:30 am
“The reason the Raiders lost the SB in 2002 is because AD could not tolerate Gruden’s success, which garnered Gruden more attention then AD. Gruden was released and having created the Raiders as they were then, defeated them easily.”
I disagree if you remember Gruden was soaking in the limelight quite happy about being courted by Notre Dame and lost focus the tema then lost 4 games in a row and had to travel to Boston for a playoff game (Tuck Rule) after that Al knew Gruden was on his way out so he got what he could for a coach that had one foot out the door.
Al’s mistake was not paying Gruden what others were offering him.
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I really wanted Gruden to go to ND, he could have saved my college team.
Instead we got a great deal from TB, and then he served us the most devastating loss in about 25 years, and Al proceeded to take the trade bounty and crap it down his sweatpants leg.
SMH….the schyyyt took 5 years off my life fore sure.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:42 am
I heard that Al and Gruden had agreed to a contract extension, but when Gruden went to sign it, Al had changes some of the terms on which they had previously agreed.
RIP Al.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Riff you have your opinion and I respect that.Gannon moved the chains etc etc and was usually in a stretcher by the time the big one needed to be played.
Unfortunately I can’t lay off the guy cos people here keep putting him in the same class as Mr J.Plunket and Mr
K.Stabler (not even going to go near Mr D.Lamonica)The boss booted his arse out of the stadium!!!!
Just my opinion….need to leave this one alone.
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I cant leave it alone when people like you & 99 cant get the facts straight.
Look at his numbers and win percentage when he was actually given a starting job.
He didnt lose his job to Salsbury because of play on the field, he lost it because the dumb GM their wanted a prototypical USC QB in their and Gannon didnt fit the mold.
Same thing happened in KC. Both benchings defy logic. And no, he didnt lose his job to Joe Montana. He never even played with Joe so that really shows just how poor you have your facts.
2002 was one of the greatest seasons any QB has ever had in the NFL. FACT.
And Gannon was not injured every time their was a big game. Siragusa laid a cheap shot on him. What can we do about that.
In the SuperBowl Callahan changed the game plan right before the game. Most of the players like Tim Brown have later said they believe Callahan threw that game. The gameplan change was inexplicable. 2 weeks of preparation and then he changes the plan right before the game. Remember the vid where Lynch is saying that they knew the plays ahead of time? Yeah, something funny went on. Callahan and Gruden got their revenge on old Al Davis. Al got beat at his own machavellian tricks.
When the players changed the gameplan and went back to what they had practiced the previous TWO WEEKS they began lighting it up and almost came back in that SuperBowl. We lost because of an act of treason! If you dont believe me, ask Tim Brown and some of the others!!!
Callahan did the same crap just a few weeks before the following season despite us having a unstoppable offense in 2002.
Gannon put up more good numbers even with Norm Turner in charge.
We’ve been crap ever since Gannon broke his neck. FACT.
He was worlds better than the Snake or Plunkett. Look at the talent those two played with? All hall of famers. Dont even try to hold it against Gannon that he had no SB’s. SuperBowl trophies are TEAM AWARDS. They do not make or break a players career. Maybe you think Stable and Plunkett were better than Marino? Please answer that one with a straight face.
Go read some wikipedia or something and get the facts straight about how good he was. You are an otherwise very smart member of this board. But this stance you have on Gannon will not go ignored by me.
Here are the FACTS:
- Most completions by a Raider QB in history
- Most completions in a season by a Raider QB in history
- Most passing yards by a Raider QB in history
- Highest career completion percentage by a Raider QB in history
- Highest completion percentage in a season by a Raider QB in history
- Highest career passer rating by a Raider QB in history
- Most 300 yd passing games by a Raider QB in history
How exactly were Plunkett and Stabler better? I demand you retract your statements or I will continually rub these FACTS in your face every time you spout off about Gannon.
Here are some more…
NFL Records:
- Most completions, season – 418 (2002 — record broken by Drew Brees during the 2007 season (440), then again by Brees in 2011 (468))
- Most 300+ yard passing games, season – 10 (2002 — record broken by Drew Brees during the 2011 season (13))
- Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games – 6 (2002; tied with Steve Young, 1998 and Kurt Warner, 2000 — record broken by Drew Brees during the 2011 season (7))
- Single-game record for most consecutive completions – 21 (at Denver, 2002 — record broken by Mark Brunell during the 2006-2007 season)
Most completions in a non-overtime game – 43 (vs. Pittsburgh, 2002)
More stats for you:
Minessota Vikings – 1991 – Led the team to a 11-5 record … benched for Salisbury for the playoff game for no reason and they lost.
KC Chiefs – 1997 – Grbac goes down early in the season and the team takes off under Gannon going 13-3. For the playoffs Gannon is again benched for no reason and they loose.
Gannon was only a starting QB in 3 seasons with other teams prior to coming to the Raiders. And in all of those seasons he played either good or excellent.
Here are some awards for ya….
4× Pro Bowl selection (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
3× All-Pro selection (2000, 2001, 2002)
3× AFC Player of the Year (2000, 2001, 2002)
2× Pro Bowl MVP (2001, 2002)
2× NFL Alumni Quarterback of the Year (2000, 2002)
2× Bert Bell Award (2000, 2002)
AFC champion (2002)
AP NFL MVP (2002)
PFWA NFL MVP (2002)
The Gannon hate by some here is just ridiculous and I will NEVER back down in defense of him. This isnt just some “opinion” of mine that you can respectfully disagree with. The FACTS show he was the best QB we ever had. End of debate.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Why no post from DAs q & a?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am
SMH….the schyyyt took 5 years off my life fore sure.
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It did for all of us. As it did AD too, I’m sure.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Riff,
Good job with the Gannon defense. I boggles the mind that the only decent QB we have had here since the 1980s is crapped on by this fan base. They just remember the ints in the SB, so they hate him.
No QB could walk into a game where the defense knows his playbook and his calls and be successful. Had we been given two weeks to prep for the SB, maybe Callahan would have had time to change things up a bit….none of that is Gannon’s fault.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:46 am
#757 Thank god man….I thought I was alone and losing my sanity….Gannon was what he was…..no player criticizing the organization was/is going to be tolerated by myself at least.The first rule here has always been LOYALTY.That is what made us great first and foremost.Gannon and Chucky (Kiffen ain’t worth the ink)
were not even Raiders.
Chucky did OK with Dungy’s players…..Imagine what Dungy
would have done with them?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
*for sure…..
August 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
How could any rational person say Palmer is done by what he did in the 1st preseason game? Palmer in reality very well could of ben 6 for 6, if a certain player didn’t have a bad game. smh
August 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
We would not have lost that Super Bowl to any other team. Callahan’s problem is that he kept Gruden’s offense 100%, right down to the audibles. So in the weeks leading up to the big game, Gruden told his troops EXACTLY what our gameplan would be against a D like Tampa’s, right down to playing scout team QB himself.
Then he also taught the defense all of our audibles which Callahan stupidly had not changed, so when Gannon changed the play at the line, the D immediately knew what we would run.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Since when was he not a good tackler? He’s aways wrapped guys up good for us.
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I guess I crossed “tackling” and “persuit” in the same category. I didn’t see they guy from Alabama out there the last couple years. They Nick named him “Slo” for a reason. He seemed to take bad angles alot, and let guys run by him and get turned into a #55 statue sometimes.
But putting the “Smack” down wasn’t really in his repetouar…..Until now. Hope he keeps it up.
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The “Slo” nickname came from the fools that would not recognize he was playing hurt.
As for him being out of position…. Unless we are in the film room, we dont know who was supposed to be where. Odds are, it was the “athletic” LBs he played with that were out of position more often than not.
He spent way too much time having to worry about his teammates being in postion to ever be judged fairly by us. And our scheme was god-awful.
We are going to see a different “Death Ro” this year.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I’m willing to give Pryor the entire year, even if he’s just holding a clip board. You’re gonna carry 3 QBs anyway, so that doesn’t bother me at all.
In fact, I keep saying that if CP goes down, I’d roll with Pryor right now, even though he isn’t ready, just to make the determination of whether he can ever be the man. Figure the season is down the tubes with Lice at QB anyway, so WTF ?
Nah, I’m not cutting Pryor based on what he does in the next 3 games. Think he deserves more of a chance and look-see than that. He also could have some utility in some wild cat packages.
Willing to give the coaches and staff a full year to make the call on TP. Want to get this one right.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I don’t have a problem with Gannon as a player, just that he keeps crapping on the team and organization every chance he gets.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I was very angry at Gannon after the SB loss (hell, I was mad at just about everything for a month or so), but once the bucs players started to brag about knowing the playbook and calls, and once I had time to think it through, I realized Gannon had no shot in that game, and had we been playing the Eagles instead of TB, Al would have had his 4th ring.
I blame Al for giving the Bucs the coach they needed to take them to the SB, where Dungy had failed time and time again.
Ultimately, Gruden and later Bruce Allen, tried to hold onto those old guys, adn had few draft picks to replenish the team, so they won their SB, but destroyed their ability to rebuild that team.
That doesn’t make me feel much better though.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:54 am
“We would not have lost that Super Bowl to any other team.”
We should have pounded the ball with Weatly and garner 50 carries between them instead we did exactly what Tampa and Gruden thought we would do Air it out!
August 15th, 2012 at 9:56 am
testing 1, testing 1 2 3 …is the mic on?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Callahan was a dolt
August 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
No way I’d roll Pryor in the game if Palmer went down to injury now or in any regular season game. Don’t you remember how frustrating it was to watch JaMarcus Russell learn on the job? That was sickening to watch. We were the laughing stock of the league and nothing was gained by letting JaMarcus take his lumps. No, Pryor has to earn his stripes the old fashioned way. The school of hard knocks.
Why do you insist on bashing Leinart when his play is above average or at least consistent for a second string QB. It’s not him calling the check down passes, that’s on Knapp. Everything I have seen from Leinart leads me to believe he can hold the fort down for a few games if needed while Carson gets back from injury. Season would be shot in any case if Carson goes IR week one. But at least with Leinart we wouldn’t be a laughing stock team like we would be with Pryor, who isn’t ready and who knows if he will ever be.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Where Pryor is on the developmental scale is kind of a moot point.
Really doesn’t matter much if he’s ahead or behind whatever schedule you want to assign to him.
Let’s assume he’s behind schedule in being able to get a play called, knowing terminology, reading a defense, going through progressions, etc.
There’s little reason to doubt that given enough time he’ll get that stuff down. So, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he will.
There’s no questioning his athletic ability and mobility.
The only real question is can he throw the ball with any accuracy ?
Personally, I don’t think so. But I haven’t seen enough yet to be sure.
If the Raid staff makes the determination that he CAN pass well enough, then take all the time you need to develop him as a QB.
If NOT, then convert him to TE or WR, or trade him if he insists on being a QB.
This determination should be made by the end of 2012, at the latest. There’s draft considerations that are dependent upon it.
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Smartest post Ive ever seen you make.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I guess it is …what up NATION?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
After watching the game again, without the jitters of the first action of the year, I felt it was not such a bad performance overall, maybe our expectations were too high due to the lack of previous action and the hope that comes with a likeable new Coach and GM, definitely ton of room for improvement but that’s true for every team.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Triangle?
August 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Go Raiders the game is about 32 hours away
August 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am
6m Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Mike Goodson with good burst around right end. Looks good to go.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Jezuz is it Friday yet?….we need to get the bad taste of that Cowgirl’s game out of our mouths.
That game gave me pause, but there were enough reasonable excuses that I didn’t go into full panic mode….but if we don’t score a bunch of points on Friday, I might have to re-think my 19-0 prediction from a couple of weeks ago….
August 15th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I was uneasy with liono as our #2 but he looked pretty solid.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I have zero problem with the score of the game, and the final outcome.
This game gives us an excellent point of reference to build on.
we now know where we are as a team, and what needs to be improved.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Riff and Dakota…this is just my opinion….I definitely
respectfully disagree with both of you.
much hackneyed but pertinent phrase…’there are statistics,statistics and damn lies.’
Took us to a Davis and went 0-1.Who came second in last years Davis?
I’m totally convinced you can win a Davis with a noodle
armed QB running the West Coast Offense as long as his name is Joe Montana.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
He spent way too much time having to worry about his teammates being in postion to ever be judged fairly by us. And our scheme was god-awful.
We are going to see a different “Death Ro” this year.
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I hope we do man. We need it more than ever. He’s gotta be a savage. The rest of the D will follow suit, since they tend to take on the personality of their Captain….
See Ravens.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
As for the current topic, I have no issues with Gruden and I have a ton of respect for Gannon, they gave us everything they had when they were here.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Marley,
I guess we all should temper our optimism but this is the “New Era of Excellence” and the best and brightest new GM’s, coaching staff, etc. We’ve all been reading up on the great new changes and maybe expected some great result that would signal this year being VERY different from the previous decade. It felt different this year than other years (at least for me). I just felt that there was too many changes not to be the same old Raiders. I expected more. Certainly more than ZERO points on the scoreboard.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:02 am
787.Thec Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I have zero problem with the score of the game, and the final outcome.
This game gives us an excellent point of reference to build on.
we now know where we are as a team, and what needs to be improved.
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I like that analsysis.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Good.. We need to see whay goodys got
August 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Why is Pryor such and intriguing prospect? why is it imperative that he gets more snaps in the preseason? The simple answer is that he has a very unique blend of natural gifts. In fact it is so unique that is difficult to project just how high his ceiling is.
Pryor will never be as accurate as joe montana, is the level of accuracy needed to win a super bowl? A bigger question just how accurate can pryor become. I would use 2 guys as a measuring stick for pryor in this regard. Randall cunningham and vince young. All 3 qbs had strong arms coming out of college. All 3 qbs had questions about their throwing motions and accuracy in the pocket. All 3 had freakish athleticism and were considered raw prospects that would need to learn how to read pro defenses.
Vince young has been a disappointment. he has proven to be accurate enough to win as evidenced by his very solid record as a starter, however his tragic flaw has been has been a lack of dedication to his craft. He has never put in the work in the film room, or trying to improve his fundamentals. This is why he has not fully exploited or plumbed the depths of his natural talent. This is why he hasnt become a consistently accurate passer, will toss the ill fated interception.
Cunningham was notorious for leaving the pocket early failing to go through his reads and being scatter shot from the pocket. He has since admitted that early in his eagle career he would get by on his ability and spent more time partying then studying or trying to improve. He was dumped by philly and this was a wake up call for him. While in Minnesota he became a vastly improved qb. His new preparation coupled with his dynamic talent led to eye popping success. he became a very accurate passer, even though he still had an unorthodox delivery. he became very good at reading and manipulating the defense. he became an elite qb for about a 2 year stretch, before the vikes fell apart. In fact his dedication allowed cunnugham to play football at a very high level all the way through the end of his career.
I see pryor as a guy that has the ability to fall some where between these Cunningham and young. The difference is pryor wants to work hard and master his craft now, in what is essentially his rookie season. he spends countless hours working his technique and studying form all reports. I dont know if he will ever be quite as accurate as Cunningham turned out to he but i think he can come close enough with time.Is there a person on this earth that loves the raiders that wouldnt want the 98/99 version of Cunningham playing qb for us now?
let this kid have some time he will improve and he will be a winner. Now instead of wishing we could unleash a space aged offense with an unstoppable force at qb like rgIII or cam newton, we can build around our own secret weapon. Or at least give him a chance that he either is or isnt our future.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am
786.Marks hair Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I was uneasy with liono as our #2 but he looked pretty solid.
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I noticed he still throws that “balloon ball”. He does need to not put so much air under tha ball.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am
788.Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Riff and Dakota…this is just my opinion….I definitely
respectfully disagree with both of you.
much hackneyed but pertinent phrase…’there are statistics,statistics and damn lies.’
Took us to a Davis and went 0-1.Who came second in last years Davis?
I’m totally convinced you can win a Davis with a noodle
armed QB running the West Coast Offense as long as his name is Joe Montana.
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Can you send me a decoder ring please?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Biggest fail that concerns me is the overall performance of the WR’s. Ted Gilmore and his crew did a lousy job of getting these receivers ready. I thought that WR’s were a strength and not a topic of worry, but after that game its very much a concern.
I thought the defense was going to be biggest concern, but they did very well even with inconsistent CB play. Better than I expected.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am
DJ Johnny, whats good Bruh? I responded to the question you posed a few post back. I saw a lot of good in the game. not overly concerned about the score or the outcome.
This team will have learned alot, and WILL not make the same mistakes this friday.
PATTON, will have these guys ready to play.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am
guest123 Says:
Marley,
I guess we all should temper our optimism but this is the “New Era of Excellence” and the best and brightest new GM’s, coaching staff, etc. We’ve all been reading up on the great new changes and maybe expected some great result that would signal this year being VERY different from the previous decade. It felt different this year than other years (at least for me). I just felt that there was too many changes not to be the same old Raiders. I expected more. Certainly more than ZERO points on the scoreboard.
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Guest.
I hear you, but our starters played around 7 minutes of football on Monday, can’t pass judgement on anything after less than half a quarter of vainila, pre-season action.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am
http://www.fantasysharks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=260586
Read that link for any of you who still think it was Gannons fault we lost the SuperBowl.
It wasnt even the fact that we still had Grudens offense. It was the fact that Callahan changed the gameplan right before the game. It’s amazing the players even knew the plays.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Is crawdaddy practicing?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Based on workouts with trainer on side, RB Taiwan Jones is close to returning and WR Denarius Moore is not. Still hamstrung
August 15th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I’m excited to see Goodson and the bald head British back
August 15th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
RB Mike Goodson (neck) and WR Eddie McGee (hamstring) returned to practice today.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Philip Wheeler blows up run play.
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Course he does. He’s starting to get a “REP” now.
First Goodson, Then he destroyed the pulling guard and clogged the run lane for no gain, now this. He’s active, AND hits hard.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
RB Rashawn Jackson not at practice. Not sure why.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am
I’m starting to worry about DMo17. Hammy’s are tricky. If they heal up quickly like Taiwan’s they go away and aren’t an issue for flare ups later. But if they take 6 to 8 weeks to heal, they are tender and highly likely to be a problem the entire season.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am
As to Slowlando McLazy…..one easy hit served up to him on a silver platter by the much overrated QB Tony Romo does not make Slowlando a player.
I was wrong about DHB not being able to overcome his hands issues, although he has a looooooong ways to go before I declare him a happy draft pick success story (how about some TDs in your 4th year already huh?), so I am willing to give Slowlando another look in 2012, but I am not declaring his arrival after that easy hit on a guy left out to hang by his QB. I need to see him make some plays in the regular season first.
Though it would be our luck that Slowlando would start to come around and suddenly get nailed on his criminal charges, serve some time, and then get suspended by the NFL…..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Oh BTW: Who said that Gannon is hated…I never said that. Just because I said he needs to you know what that I hate him? No I don’t…He has made the same mistake as what he is calling out Palmer for so he needs to STFU!
And just because we have our own opinion on who was the Greatest QB of Raider History, doesn’t mean that we can’t have them because you threw out stats! Come on now. I respect your opinions/your posts Riff, all I am asking for is the same!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
DE Jack Crawford practicing. Sat out the game with a sore foot.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am
We have some hitters thats for sure..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Course he does. He’s starting to get a “REP” now.
First Goodson, Then he destroyed the pulling guard and clogged the run lane for no gain, now this. He’s active, AND hits hard.
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This guy is a RAIDER…
August 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am
As far as the hot topic, the Palmper pick, here’s the Dallas guy take:
Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh on Carson Palmer INT Monday night: “I just got a good read on the quarterback. He overthrew him.”
That being said, everyone needs to settle down about it, it was one play, CP made a bad decision, it’s not his first and it won’t be his last, face it and move on.
I’m a big Palmer fan, I’m pretty certain he’s going to have a very good season for us.
I’m so certain that I can accept the fact that he made a bad play in a pre-season game and not go crazy trying to defend or justify him, he’ll take care of doubters himself.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thec Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Based on workouts with trainer on side, RB Taiwan Jones is close to returning and WR Denarius Moore is not. Still hamstrung
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Why do we always get injury prone guys ? I had drafted Moore in my fantasy league but i traded him considering his history of never staying on the field
August 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thec Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
DE Jack Crawford practicing. Sat out the game with a sore foot.
Glad to see that! He calls himself sackreligious on twitter…I want to see that in action!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Riff and Dakota…this is just my opinion….I definitely
respectfully disagree with both of you.
much hackneyed but pertinent phrase…’there are statistics,statistics and damn lies.’
Took us to a Davis and went 0-1.Who came second in last years Davis?
I’m totally convinced you can win a Davis with a noodle
armed QB running the West Coast Offense as long as his name is Joe Montana.
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Well I DONT respectfully disagree with you. Because this isnt a debate of “opinion”.
I listed facts and that is the best retort you have? Figures.
You dont have an “opinion”. You have what is called a “belief”. Opinions can change in the face of evidence. Beliefs on the other hand are held onto regardless of the facts.
People argued that the world was flat and that we were 17 miles from the sun long after it was proven otherwise. You fall into that category.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I have to side with Mistic 1 as far as giving Pryor the benefit of doubt.I saw way more upside than down side in pryor’s game. What Pryor really needs to work on is making his throws count after he has eluded the defender. He must realize that he will have more time than the average QB to make the throw downfield, if the Raiders block like they have throwing QB behind them,from his mobility to make game changing passes. If he cannot take advanage of his gift of mobility to get those split second passes off he will be a passing shadow at this position.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Dakota …ah no idea what that is?
and Mr Bob Marley #796…you are right on with that.
no dispute at all and that’s about all one can ask for from a player apart from loyalty.Just love hearing Sapp’s
recommendation’s about our club after Al added 5 more years to his worthless career.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Good news about Taiwan Jones. Hopefully he just strained his groin a bit and is working the kinks out. Him coming back soon is very positive signal and he could be a beast this year backing up McFadden.
Also great news to hear about Goodson back at practice so soon after that neck scare. We will both guys rotating in and can expect more injuries crop up from time to time.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Yeah iwas looking forward to seeing crawdad beat up dallas backups..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Taiwan will have to practice tomorrow right in order to play this Friday?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am
“Brown said he believes Callahan changed the game plan in order to purposely sabotage the Raiders SB.
He said it was common knowledge that Callahan wanted to leave with Gruden, but Davis wouldn’t let him leave, but promoted him to keep him happy. Callahan took the job but hated Davis.”
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Timmy, I love you man, but that has to be the dumbest line of thinking I have ever heard. Yeah, a guy is going to purposefully sabotage his career and a chance to lead a team to a SB victory in order to help his buddy out and get back at his boss? That is ridiculous.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:18 am
post 813, you might think I’m denial, but I don’t even chalk that play up to Palmer doing anything wrong (other than fail to pump fake and Knapp not using PAP). I put it all (well ~90 percent anyway) on J Ford dogging it on his route and getting manhandled.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Dakota.
Agreed.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:19 am
822. Wow
August 15th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I cant leave it alone when people like you & 99 cant get the facts straight.
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Riff, you seem to have a bone to pick with me. Saw your agreement with a notorious blog idiot’s ‘delusional’ remark earlier this morning too.
Carry over from our last debate perhaps ? Welcome back from your self-imposed hiatus.
Not sure what I’ve said that you consider to be delusional.
Not sure what facts you think I don’t have straight.
I get that you think that Gannon was an all-time great. You’re entitled to that opinion.
Let me be clear. I think Gannon was an excellent QB. One of the best field generals I’ve seen. Fierce competitor. Moved the chains with his legs and arm. The Monday nite game against Pitt where he spread the Squeelers out and couldn’t miss, was a masterpiece.
But Gannon, quite simply, was not an all-time great. And although you don’t like to hear this, one of the reasons was – he didn’t have the arm strength. I know that comment drives you nuts.
Yes, I rank Stabler AND Plunk ahead of Gannon. They’ve got something Gannon never will – RINGS. Admittedly, on it’s own that’s not a defining criteria, but it is a consideration when you’re discussing all-time greats.
I don’t care how many stats you post, you’re not going to convince me Gannon was an all-time great.
Besides, why waste your time trying to straighten out the facts for this delusional Raider fan ? Your time would be better spent trying to get the all-time great Gannon into the HOF. Try barking at Canton.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:13 am
As far as the hot topic, the Palmper pick, here’s the Dallas guy take:
Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh on Carson Palmer INT Monday night: “I just got a good read on the quarterback. He overthrew him.”
That being said, everyone needs to settle down about it, it was one play, CP made a bad decision, it’s not his first and it won’t be his last, face it and move on.
I’m a big Palmer fan, I’m pretty certain he’s going to have a very good season for us.
I’m so certain that I can accept the fact that he made a bad play in a pre-season game and not go crazy trying to defend or justify him, he’ll take care of doubters himself.
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I never get the hate about that play , it was a freaking per-season I bet Palmer throws better or doesn’t even try that if it was a real game ..some guys talk of that play like it came in the SB or something , there’s a reason its called Pre-season so people can try stuff n not be afraid of mistakes so they can learn from em
August 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I think ford heard footsteps and rememberd its preseason..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:21 am
770.RaiderDuck Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
We would not have lost that Super Bowl to any other team. Callahan’s problem is that he kept Gruden’s offense 100%, right down to the audibles. So in the weeks leading up to the big game, Gruden told his troops EXACTLY what our gameplan would be against a D like Tampa’s, right down to playing scout team QB himself.
Then he also taught the defense all of our audibles which Callahan stupidly had not changed, so when Gannon changed the play at the line, the D immediately knew what we would run.
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Yep. Not changing the audible signals and calls in preparation for the Bucs in SB was a non move that can only be made by the “dumbest head coach in America” Bill Callahan!
It cost the Raiders a chance to win thet SB.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Riff I do respect your opinion but you can run every stat in the book at me…..only one that matters are the
superbowl wins.Stabler has one.Plunket has two.Gannon has none.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Go Raiders..19-0
August 15th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Guest.
I think you are one of the more reasonable posters here and respect your views so I’m moving on, we’ll never agree on what happened on that play, other than the pump fake-lack of play action call.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Dakota Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am
“Brown said he believes Callahan changed the game plan in order to purposely sabotage the Raiders SB.
He said it was common knowledge that Callahan wanted to leave with Gruden, but Davis wouldn’t let him leave, but promoted him to keep him happy. Callahan took the job but hated Davis.”
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Timmy, I love you man, but that has to be the dumbest line of thinking I have ever heard. Yeah, a guy is going to purposefully sabotage his career and a chance to lead a team to a SB victory in order to help his buddy out and get back at his boss? That is ridiculous.
Amen! But sometimes, you never know! But, Calahan may never get another shot at this! So why do it?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Callahan is freaking dumb ,he’s not even a good coordinator ,there’s a reason why he’s only a position coach lol
August 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am
“I see pryor as a guy that has the ability to fall some where between these Cunningham and young.”
If that is the case then his potential is crap and we should get rid of him now!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am
832.
Sorry, I’m beating a dead horse too. I didn’t mean to get carried away. I respect your views very much and I’ll expect some big improvement on Friday as well.
thx.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am
This team really needs to step it up in this game versus AZ. Especially the 1st teamers. The offense needs to get it going and score a TD.
Knapp better have solid red zone packages.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am
#832..Sorry RM99…was not copying your post….but it sure looks like it.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Oh BTW: Who said that Gannon is hated…I never said that. Just because I said he needs to you know what that I hate him? No I don’t…He has made the same mistake as what he is calling out Palmer for so he needs to STFU!
And just because we have our own opinion on who was the Greatest QB of Raider History, doesn’t mean that we can’t have them because you threw out stats! Come on now. I respect your opinions/your posts Riff, all I am asking for is the same!
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Its one thing for you to ask for some respect, because I dont see you calling Gannon a “noodle arm”, but I refuse to give any to some of the people here who ignore the facts of the matter and then disrespect Gannon by calling him names simply because of his arm strength. As if Ken Stable had a rocket arm or something.
Im still waiting to here Twinkie explain how he came to the conclusion that Gannon lost his gig in KC to Joe Montana. F’n retard.
I will keep things civil and respectful as long as others do. But the moment I start reading people crapping on Gannon in the same fashion I hear fans of the Broncos talk smack on him, then Im going to let loose.
Let’s see here….
One 8-8 season and then….
12-4 and he gets taken out by arguably the greatest defense in the history of the league
10-6 and he gets screwed by the Tuck Game
11-5 and his head coach throws the game
Yeah, Gannon sucks alright. How many years did Stabler have at the helm? Any fan from that era knows we should have had 4 or 5 SuperBowls but you dont see me piling on Stabler. I give the respect to the Snake that he deserves.
One semi comes on here and claims that Gannon said Palmer is done and people pile on Gannon without even checking the source. It reeks of agenda and people with a pre-determined bias against the “noodle arm”.
You guys that call him a noodle arm (not you Hwdr) can have your Jamarcus Russels and Kerry Collins and Dan McQuires and Ryan Leafs.
I’ll stick to rooting for guys that actually move the chains and win games.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Dakota Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am
“Brown said he believes Callahan changed the game plan in order to purposely sabotage the Raiders SB.
He said it was common knowledge that Callahan wanted to leave with Gruden, but Davis wouldn’t let him leave, but promoted him to keep him happy. Callahan took the job but hated Davis.”
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Timmy, I love you man, but that has to be the dumbest line of thinking I have ever heard. Yeah, a guy is going to purposefully sabotage his career and a chance to lead a team to a SB victory in order to help his buddy out and get back at his boss? That is ridiculous.
Amen! But sometimes, you never know! But, Calahan may never get another shot at this! So why do it?
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Maybe he doesn’t want to be anything more than a position coach , which he sucks at too
August 15th, 2012 at 10:28 am
“Juron Criner back on punts now”
Watch out #12
August 15th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I feel like I’m getting ignored by the AM crew lol maybe I’ll come at a different time
August 15th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Piping in crowd noise @ practice.. Its having an effect… Good idea DA.. Get em ready for rd games..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Hey # 20….come on.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Pryor throws a pic
August 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I might be the only Indian in here , is anybody else here ,who’s Indian ?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I can respect that Riff! With that, thank you!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Rolando McClain’s hit on Witten caused Internal Bleeding….Witten is out for the pre season with a spleen injury.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I might be the only Indian in here , is anybody else here ,who’s Indian ?
Hey now, you know that doesn’t matter in here!
Been awhile, what’s going on?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Hey # 20….come on.
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What’s up ? Are you enjoying your summer?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
It seems like tp ends every team session with a pic..
August 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
“I might be the only Indian in here , is anybody else here ,who’s Indian ?”
Feather or dot?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/15/witten-out-at-least-for-rest-of-preseason-with-spleen-injury/
August 15th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Be back later Nation!!!
Lunch time!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I might be the only Indian in here , is anybody else here ,who’s Indian ?
Hey now, you know that doesn’t matter in here!
Been awhile, what’s going on?
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Ah yeah I know Nation doesn’t discriminate against anybody, this is why Raider Nation is the best in the world .. I am just pumped up about our upcoming season, whats going on with you?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am
“Ah yeah I know Nation doesn’t discriminate against anybody, this is why Raider Nation is the best in the world .. I am just pumped up about our upcoming season, whats going on with you?”
YOU KNOW IT!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
“I might be the only Indian in here , is anybody else here ,who’s Indian ?”
Feather or dot?
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I guess you meant American Indian with feather ,so I’ll go with dot Whatever that means lol
August 15th, 2012 at 10:38 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I cant leave it alone when people like you & 99 cant get the facts straight.
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Riff, you seem to have a bone to pick with me. Saw your agreement with a notorious blog idiot’s ‘delusional’ remark earlier this morning too.
Carry over from our last debate perhaps ? Welcome back from your self-imposed hiatus.
Not sure what I’ve said that you consider to be delusional.
Not sure what facts you think I don’t have straight.
I get that you think that Gannon was an all-time great. You’re entitled to that opinion.
Let me be clear. I think Gannon was an excellent QB. One of the best field generals I’ve seen. Fierce competitor. Moved the chains with his legs and arm. The Monday nite game against Pitt where he spread the Squeelers out and couldn’t miss, was a masterpiece.
But Gannon, quite simply, was not an all-time great. And although you don’t like to hear this, one of the reasons was – he didn’t have the arm strength. I know that comment drives you nuts.
Yes, I rank Stabler AND Plunk ahead of Gannon. They’ve got something Gannon never will – RINGS. Admittedly, on it’s own that’s not a defining criteria, but it is a consideration when you’re discussing all-time greats.
I don’t care how many stats you post, you’re not going to convince me Gannon was an all-time great.
Besides, why waste your time trying to straighten out the facts for this delusional Raider fan ? Your time would be better spent trying to get the all-time great Gannon into the HOF. Try barking at Canton.
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Where did I ever say that Gannon was an all-time great. You will not be able to find one post Ive ever made that says that.
I said he played like one when he was with us. His short stint can be compared to any of the all-time greats of an equal time period. That is all I said.
And in that short time, he did more than Plunkett or Stabler ever did on their own.
If youre going to quote me, at least get the quote right.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am
“Ah yeah I know Nation doesn’t discriminate against anybody, this is why Raider Nation is the best in the world .. I am just pumped up about our upcoming season, whats going on with you?”
YOU KNOW IT!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!
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Hell yeah , hope to catch sum games this year with the nation , which games are you guys most looking forward to ?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I guesss some Raider “fans” don’t appreciate the WINNING that Gruden and Gannon brought to this franchise who whad been sucking for 10 years before that!
Weird!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am
“I guess you meant American Indian with feather ,so I’ll go with dot Whatever that means lol”
I was trying to be funny.
I am looking forward to opening night to set the tome for the entire season. We come out and smash the chargers on Monday night and we set the tone for the rest of the games!!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:42 am
“I guesss some Raider “fans” don’t appreciate the WINNING that Gruden and Gannon brought to this franchise who whad been sucking for 10 years before that!
Weird!”
Yes winning is great but losing a Super Bowl has left a bad taste in our mouths for 10 years now and it still stings!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:42 am
VicTafur Palmer rolls right, hits fan favorite Ford for a 20-yard TD in corner.
There we go!.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am
“I see pryor as a guy that has the ability to fall some where between these Cunningham and young.”
If that is the case then his potential is crap and we should get rid of him now!
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????????? really????
Randall Cunningham aka weapon X
Passing stats : 29,979 yards, 207 td, 134 int, rating 81.4 ( 92 in the 4th quarter)
Rushing stats: 775 att, 4928 yards, 6.4 ypc, 35 touchdowns
he had 16 year career and was a probowl player and playoff winner.
What is not to like? Please if pryor can approach this kind of career and production we would be set at qb
August 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Does anybody know how to refresh on IPhone and still end up at the last comment ? I freaking hate scrolling down all the time with my thumb, it’s bruised from doing that for a while lol
August 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am
DKnight007 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I guesss some Raider “fans” don’t appreciate the WINNING that Gruden and Gannon brought to this franchise who whad been sucking for 10 years before that!
Weird!
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I loved it, I moved to the U.S in 99 and instantly fell in love with S&B after reading about them in sports books .. Good thing i didn’t come 3 years later lol
August 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Ah yeah I know Nation doesn’t discriminate against anybody, this is why Raider Nation is the best in the world .. I am just pumped up about our upcoming season, whats going on with you?
All good brother! Cannot wait for the season!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Randall Cunningham is high praise man, he threw a beautiful ball, specially on deep throws.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Anyways I guess , all of you guys went out to breakfast or lunch something , catch with you guys later .Go Raiders
August 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
“????????? really????
Randall Cunningham aka weapon X
Passing stats : 29,979 yards, 207 td, 134 int, rating 81.4 ( 92 in the 4th quarter)
Rushing stats: 775 att, 4928 yards, 6.4 ypc, 35 touchdowns
he had 16 year career and was a probowl player and playoff winner.
What is not to like? Please if pryor can approach this kind of career and production we would be set at qb”
The biggest stat of all ZERO Super Bowl appearances or Super Bowl wins!!
We want a QB that can win the big one no matter what style of a QB he is.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
“@BayAreaPlaya510: @CorkOnTheNFL any word on Myles Wade??” — Nothing yet. Don’t see him out here.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:42 am
VicTafur Palmer rolls right, hits fan favorite Ford for a 20-yard TD in corner.
There we go!.
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JFORD decided not to get laid so much…
Rremember line in the movie Rocky, “women weaken legs”.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Who’s Myles Wade?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am
HBO Real Sports doing profile on Gruden. That should be interesting. Real Sports never pulls punches.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
Palmer swing pass to McFadden. You know the outcome.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Myles Wade Pro day;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWy-nfEjfC8
Report
tampa-bay-buccaneers-sign-dt-myles-wade-per-report
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DJ Sullie Fresh with the dysfunctional beats and worn out poorly sampled loops that drive the tweens crazy at the drug free rave!
Nice to see you!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
hwnrdr, whats good Bruh?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Thanks Thec! Coming up Monday night?
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DKnight, the Davis minions didn’t care about winning. Just doing things Al’s way. Al’s grudges were far more important than winning to them.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Thec Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
hwnrdr, whats good Bruh?
Just getting anxious just to get to a game/taigate! Missed this past Monday Night but will be there next Saturday for sure!
August 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Who’s Myles Wade?
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DT, could potentially play NT, was in camp with TB.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:59 am
666 would know, he’s probably a drug free raver himself.
August 15th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
“????????? really????
Randall Cunningham aka weapon X
Passing stats : 29,979 yards, 207 td, 134 int, rating 81.4 ( 92 in the 4th quarter)
Rushing stats: 775 att, 4928 yards, 6.4 ypc, 35 touchdowns
he had 16 year career and was a probowl player and playoff winner.
What is not to like? Please if pryor can approach this kind of career and production we would be set at qb”
The biggest stat of all ZERO Super Bowl appearances or Super Bowl wins!!
We want a QB that can win the big one no matter what style of a QB he is.
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I think that is flawed logic, simply blaming Cunningham for the short comings of the teams he played for is unfair.
The eagles had only randall’s play making as an offense for years, not to mention he led the team in rushing during his time there.
The vikes were all offense and no defense and it caught up to them in the end. i dont think this is randalls fault. I think randall was the reason his teams won and rarely the reason they lost. A simple case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Besides you love gannon and he turned the worst performance in the history of championship football. Dont you remember?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Thanks Thec! Coming up Monday night?
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Oh yeah. Instead of the 3 game pack, i bought season tickets this year. Will fly up for all the home games, plus the home game here in SD.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Phrase I have heard most this camp: Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver yelling “Use your rules”
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@TheBanda5 Tarver has set of rules 4 each defensive player to go through before and after snap, reading play and how to react in each case
August 15th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Thec Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Thanks Thec! Coming up Monday night?
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Oh yeah. Instead of the 3 game pack, i bought season tickets this year. Will fly up for all the home games, plus the home game here in SD.
NICE! See you there in 4 weeks, unless you’re coming up next Saturday?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Thec, 886! That’s what I want to hear! Discipline!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Witten suffered an internal injury after taking a hit from Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain in the first quarter, according to multiple sources…..
August 15th, 2012 at 11:03 am
“666 would know, he’s probably a drug free raver himself.”
No but I know a washed up crappy old Dj when I see one pathetically clinging to his youth.
Your beats are out of date so let us know when your next show is so we can all come and throw tomatoes at your 2 turn tables and a microphone!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Native Americans!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:03 am
JR Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Witten suffered an internal injury after taking a hit from Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain in the first quarter, according to multiple sources…..
I’m glad that hit was clean! Hopes Witten has a speedy recovery!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:03 am
886. I love Tarver driving home core responsibilities on each play and each player. Sounds Fugn anal. Good stuff.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
“I think that is flawed logic, simply blaming Cunningham for the short comings of the teams he played for is unfair.”
So blaming the QB for losing is unfair?
You better call ESPN and NFLN and let them know this information!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
LOL! I think some take the comments about Ford having a horrible game the wrong way. I am a Ford fan but he didn’t show any effort or fire on any of the plays he was involved in. I know there are a few posters that don’t like Ford and have ben beating that drum for sometime and used this bad game to support there views, but I think most would agree that he is a talent and a weapon. I expect him to have a good game come Friday, Im not sure he can afford to have another game like the last one.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Eagles are chokers.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
realtruraider Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
How could any rational person say Palmer is done by what he did in the 1st preseason game? Palmer in reality very well could of ben 6 for 6, if a certain player didn’t have a bad game. smh
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What “rational” person blows off yet another interception from Captain Pick just four plays into the 2012 season after having thrown 36 picks in his previous 25 games?? Rich Gannon rubs me the wrong way, but he’s onto something here. If you’re not concerned about Palmer , you should be.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
I am excited to some active competition at the tightend position. If this position is used the whey it is supposed to be used this offense should be able to move the ball quite well. Reece, D Mac, and blocking/receiving threat tightend can make this offense a nightmare to deal with. We saw how the ball was moving before the Palmer INT. The Coaches must elevate the tightends position picking their game to run a gamut of plays on offense.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
On another note Russel wilson and RGIII looked spectacular in their openers. I wished we could have gotten our hands on one of these two guys. Some folks here tried to tell me that neither one would be any good, early returns say those folks are dead wrong.
When you have an exciting qb, football is fun to watch. When your qb is a turnover machine it is painful, much like our season last year.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
lol. look at 666 try talk advanced music production.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
realtruraider Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
LOL! I think some take the comments about Ford having a horrible game the wrong way. I am a Ford fan but he didn’t show any effort or fire on any of the plays he was involved in. I know there are a few posters that don’t like Ford and have ben beating that drum for sometime and used this bad game to support there views, but I think most would agree that he is a talent and a weapon. I expect him to have a good game come Friday, Im not sure he can afford to have another game like the last one.
Agreed! He disappointed Monday! It’s bounce back time on Friday!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
I’m glad that hit was clean! Hopes Witten has a speedy recovery!
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Sure! But I still hope we hear A. Gates on the sidelines screaming, “oh my spleen! oh my spleen!” this year.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Ford’s done nothing since the big 2010 game vs. KC.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Let’s look at the positives on the Palmer deep pass.
- Ford was given a 7 yard cushion by the Dallas CB, same for DHB on the other side (probably a little more), which means teams still respect their speed, even if we’re playing WCO now.
That kind of cushion gives them room to operate, a slant would have been open for any of them, same for a comeback route or quick screen, during the season Palmer should be able to audible into those type of plays and force them to play closer and maybe then hit them up for a long one.
- I think it was Lefty who made a good point earlier, we are worried about a dink and dunk conservative offense but Palmer going for that deep ball shows we’ll be willing to take some shots up the field, we’ll hit some of them and more importantly the Defense will have to respect our speed, that’s gonna give the running game and the short passing game room to operate.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff by all means root for whom you chose….Gannon was penciled in as the starting QB at KC but Shotty Martinheimer started Grbak instead in the playoffs.Gannon had backed up Bono for two years at KC
(sorry…San Francisco East) and in 1998 split the season’s snaps with Grbak.
You are totally correct as far as my misguided comment’s
re association with Joe Montana.Montana finished up with KC 1994….Gannon backed up Bono 1995 and 1996….apologies.Played college ball at Delaware.
Stabler replaced Namath for Bear Bryant at Alabama
and went 11-0 his second year….Gruden ran the plays
Stabler called all his own….Madden called Stabler the best game caller he’s ever met…..cool with the boss…no need to pay an OC.
Anyhoo I guess we will just have to agree to disagree
not mandatory for everyone to have the same opinion
simply can’t abide players or anyone else for that matter putting sh!t on our team….includes you Mr M.Allen…even as good as you were.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DKnight, the Davis minions didn’t care about winning. Just doing things Al’s way. Al’s grudges were far more important than winning to them
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Yep and that is sad!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Romo put it best. The good players, you hear their names being called over and over again when watching a game. We’ve hardly heard Ford’s name since that big game against KC a couple years ago. He’s been non existent. He’s a flash in the pan.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Terrell Pryor was playing aginst guys who have a better chance of selling life insurance this season than starting in the NFL.
All those cutesy little moves would have looked ridiculous going against Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee.
He was CLEARLY the best athlete on the field with no close comparision, and put up exactly zero points in a half.
That was awful.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
DJ’s are the bottom feeders in the music industry they have no talent other than being able to push a button.
They lack creativity which is why the use samples and loops.
They are generally unemployed losers that live in their parents basement convincing themselves that they are somehow an artist trying to make it when in reality they are glorified button pushers that will never amount to anything other than being ridiculed on a Raiders blog!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I think that is flawed logic, simply blaming Cunningham for the short comings of the teams he played for is unfair.
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Lol. Oh, the irony…
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
904.Bob Marley Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Let’s look at the positives on the Palmer deep pass.
- Ford was given a 7 yard cushion by the Dallas CB, same for DHB on the other side (probably a little more), which means teams still respect their speed, even if we’re playing WCO now.
That kind of cushion gives them room to operate, a slant would have been open for any of them, same for a comeback route or quick screen, during the season Palmer should be able to audible into those type of plays and force them to play closer and maybe then hit them up for a long one.
- I think it was Lefty who made a good point earlier, we are worried about a dink and dunk conservative offense but Palmer going for that deep ball shows we’ll be willing to take some shots up the field, we’ll hit some of them and more importantly the Defense will have to respect our speed, that’s gonna give the running game and the short passing game room to operate.
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Knapp and Palmer should running plenty of comeback routes with the speed of DHB, Moore, Ford and Streater.
CB’s won’t be able to stop the 20 yard comeback route with the speed of those guys.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Kiss and Motley Crue Concert 2morrow and a Raider game on Friday…My next 2days off are gonna be alil crazy
August 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Where did I ever say that Gannon was an all-time great. You will not be able to find one post Ive ever made that says that.
I said he played like one when he was with us. His short stint can be compared to any of the all-time greats of an equal time period. That is all I said.
And in that short time, he did more than Plunkett or Stabler ever did on their own.
If youre going to quote me, at least get the quote right.
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Oh, excuse me.
You didn’t say Gannon was an all-time great – just that he played like one for the Raids.
He wasn’t an all-time great for long – just for a short stint. He was as great as any other all-time great, for a short period.
Do I have it correct now ?
Wouldn’t want to misrepresent what you’re saying.
That would be an all-time injustice.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am
This should be Fords breakout season with it being his 3rd year in the league.
The kid should be motivated to kick azz and shine this year and play for a contract.
Fords family and his agent need to remind him that this year should be his time to shine!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am
When Al hired Norv Turner it was proof that he just ousted Gruden for his offensive philosophy and commanding personality, had nothing to do with Gruden “wanting to leave”, etc. If the latter were true, Al would have eventually replaced him with someone similar to him. Once the Callahan wheels fell off, he went back to the pushover coach, who he could force to turn track stars into “vertical offense” threats.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Terrell Pryor was playing aginst guys who have a better chance of selling life insurance this season than starting in the NFL.
All those cutesy little moves would have looked ridiculous going against Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee.
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Complete blsht! The guy didn’t play well, but his athleticism is off the charts. Mike Vick made both of those dudes look like 5th graders last year. Pryor would do the same thing.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
post 908. Again, put into perspective that he’s playing against scrubs and it looks even worse. But no doubt about it our 3rd team OL is pathetic won’t be making the roster. The second half of preseason games are like watching semi-pro Arena football.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Terrell Pryor was playing aginst guys who have a better chance of selling life insurance this season than starting in the NFL.
All those cutesy little moves would have looked ridiculous going against Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee.
He was CLEARLY the best athlete on the field with no close comparision, and put up exactly zero points in a half.
That was awful.
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TP agrees with you…
August 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
915.Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am
When Al hired Norv Turner it was proof that he just ousted Gruden for his offensive philosophy and commanding personality, had nothing to do with Gruden “wanting to leave”, etc. If the latter were true, Al would have eventually replaced him with someone similar to him. Once the Callahan wheels fell off, he went back to the pushover coach, who he could force to turn track stars into “vertical offense” threats.
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Yep! Most of us know, old man Al made a huge mistake by not signing Gruden to a long term extension.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:13 am
I think 666 is the kid from Almost Famous.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:14 am
As far as Gannon goes, I like to win and hate to lose. Unfortunately, for the past 25 years, there has been more losing than winning, except when he was here.
I don’t care what it looks like, sounds like afterwards and all that, I believe in Al’s Just Win Baby, and Gannon won more than any other Raider QB in my lifetime.
Period.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:14 am
DKnight007 Says:
904.Bob Marley Says:
Let’s look at the positives on the Palmer deep pass.
- Ford was given a 7 yard cushion by the Dallas CB, same for DHB on the other side (probably a little more), which means teams still respect their speed, even if we’re playing WCO now.
That kind of cushion gives them room to operate, a slant would have been open for any of them, same for a comeback route or quick screen, during the season Palmer should be able to audible into those type of plays and force them to play closer and maybe then hit them up for a long one.
- I think it was Lefty who made a good point earlier, we are worried about a dink and dunk conservative offense but Palmer going for that deep ball shows we’ll be willing to take some shots up the field, we’ll hit some of them and more importantly the Defense will have to respect our speed, that’s gonna give the running game and the short passing game room to operate.
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Knapp and Palmer should running plenty of comeback routes with the speed of DHB, Moore, Ford and Streater.
CB’s won’t be able to stop the 20 yard comeback route with the speed of those guys.
Knapp and Palmer should running plenty of comeback routes with the speed of DHB, Moore, Ford and Streater.
CB’s won’t be able to stop the 20 yard comeback route with the speed of those guys.
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Yeah, and if that Dallas CB had been playing closer to the Line Ford would have blown past him for a TD, the little guy ate up the 7 yard cushion in a hurry, even if the CB did a good job of staying with him, he had no chance without the cushion.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Pryor…the last of the Al Davis busts.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am
JFB, what games will you be attending?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am
We need Plaxico. We get Plaxico we’re a 10 win team, at least wild card.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Terrell Pryor was playing aginst guys who have a better chance of selling life insurance this season than starting in the NFL.
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JFB just watches the 4th quarter of pre-season games to see who his future competition will be.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am
“What “rational” person blows off yet another interception from Captain Pick just four plays into the 2012 season after having thrown 36 picks in his previous 25 games??”
The head coach Einstein!
“Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.”
You just stepped into a huge pile of crap loser!
Take your argument up with Dennis Allen!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am
TP agrees with you…
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And I agree with him, and give the kid a ton of credit for manning up afterwards.
This isn’t the And-1 tour, where you can make a sweet spin move and just throw the ball in the crowd and everyone rushes the court.
His job is to score points and get into the end zone, and he was a massive failure doing so.
I expect better this Friday, as does he.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:19 am
JFB watches 4th quarter of preseason games to see who he might buy his crack from in the future.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Romo put it best. The good players, you hear their names being called over and over again when watching a game. We’ve hardly heard Ford’s name since that big game against KC a couple years ago. He’s been non existent. He’s a flash in the pan.
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I’m cutting Ford a little more slack than you, but I was NOT at all impressed with his lack of MNF effort, and I suspect Reggie and DA weren’t either.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Thec,
I will be at the Ponies game on TNF.
You going to make the trek up North?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Mc 20 We won as many SB’s with Gannon and Upchuck as we did with Marinovich and Jabustus…..
How do you spell Buffalo Bills…..with 4 l’s of course.
Instead of being 3-4 these two gentlemen led us to 3-5 in SB appearances.Wasn’t even close …we looked like a one legged man at an arse kicking contest.
Anyway once again just my opinion
August 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am
If I were in my 40’s and ACTUALLY SEEN the Raiders win a Super Bowl, I would probably have a different opinion of Gannon.
Call me a victim of my age (32) or circumstances, but he is the best the Raiders have yet to offer me.
I look forward to The Reggie changing that for me/us.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Thing is duck, he hasn’t done anything since that big game against KC a couple of years ago. Then he gets some looks at no. 1 receiver in a presason opener, and drops every single thing that comes his way. Show me a good NFL receiver who started off like this. There isn’t one. The great players seize that one opportunity when they get it. Jacoby Ford is a speedster that had one huge good game vs. a defense that was obviously caught off guard. He’s been a non-factor since. And now, he’s a hindrance.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Thec,
I will be at the Ponies game on TNF.
You going to make the trek up North?
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Yes I will be at the game, Look forward to hanging with the Semi’s.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:24 am
TP has a ton of work to do and he might never make it but he’s worth waiting for, at least for one more year.
Keep in mind that Carson Palmer himself complained about not spending enough time with then Head Coach-Offensive Coordinator and de-facto QB Coach Hue Jackson, so it’s safe to say nobody paid much attention to Terrelle Pryor’s development last year.
Kid is basically a rookie and having a QB Coach now and a great QB tutor in Knapp should help a lot, no excuses for TP if he has not improved considerably a year from now.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:24 am
It took the fraternity of defensive coaches around the NFL all of a few hours to watch film of that KC/Raider game in 2010 and account for Ford. He’s been bottled up since.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Sandusky44 its kind of funny seeing you after you were outed you have been rather quiet yet you show up today with a mouth full of garbage to spew as usual.
So why hasn’t the FBI contacted me for emailing you yet?
Remember when you made that girly threat we all laughed so hard at you that day.
Come on man you can do better than “The guy from almost famous”
Get some new material slouch!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am
If I were in my 40’s and ACTUALLY SEEN the Raiders win a Super Bowl, I would probably have a different opinion of Gannon.
Call me a victim of my age (32) or circumstances, but he is the best the Raiders have yet to offer me.
I look forward to The Reggie changing that for me/us.
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hahahahahahaha…too bad for you.
70″s Raiders, particularly the 76 team, was NFL GOAT imo.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
By all accounts, Pryor has a great work ethic and loves the game and wants to be great.
So, with all this work he has put in, how come he is about the rawest QB I may have ever seen?
I mean, if he were to go line up as a WR or TE, could he be any rawer as he was as a QB? The coaches are talking about “huddle procedure” which I guess would be the equivalent of a WR not knowing how to line up at the LOS.
Take his work ethic, and make him the next Marques Colston I say!!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
936, solid post bruh.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Terrell Pryor was playing aginst guys who have a better chance of selling life insurance this season than starting in the NFL.
All those cutesy little moves would have looked ridiculous going against Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee.
He was CLEARLY the best athlete on the field with no close comparision, and put up exactly zero points in a half.
That was awful.
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he went 8-15 50 yards and a pick. he added 21 yards rushing and picked up first downs on scrambles. These numbers are not awful for a nfl pre season debut
he looked like a lot of rookies look in thier first ever nfl action, and i though he was impressive with some of the growth he has shown since his layoff.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am
“What “rational” person blows off yet another interception from Captain Pick just four plays into the 2012 season after having thrown 36 picks in his previous 25 games??”
The head coach Einstein!
“Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.”
You just stepped into a huge pile of crap loser!
Take your argument up with Dennis Allen!
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STFU Sliverdumbsht. You’ve got no clue. I’m fine with Allen backing his QB. Maybe if Cable had done the same thing with JR, both would still be here. But if you’ve really watched that play and think Palmer made a good decision and throw, you know even less about football than I’d previously thought. Didn’t think that was possible.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I was old enough to watch the Raiders win the Super Bowl in ‘83 (unlike most people commenting here), and I can tell you right now that Gannon was the closest thing to Plunkett this organization has ever seen.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff by all means root for whom you chose….Gannon was penciled in as the starting QB at KC but Shotty Martinheimer started Grbak instead in the playoffs.Gannon had backed up Bono for two years at KC
(sorry…San Francisco East) and in 1998 split the season’s snaps with Grbak.
You are totally correct as far as my misguided comment’s
re association with Joe Montana.Montana finished up with KC 1994….Gannon backed up Bono 1995 and 1996….apologies.Played college ball at Delaware.
Stabler replaced Namath for Bear Bryant at Alabama
and went 11-0 his second year….Gruden ran the plays
Stabler called all his own….Madden called Stabler the best game caller he’s ever met…..cool with the boss…no need to pay an OC.
Anyhoo I guess we will just have to agree to disagree
not mandatory for everyone to have the same opinion
simply can’t abide players or anyone else for that matter putting sh!t on our team….includes you Mr M.Allen…even as good as you were.
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Madden called Stabler the best game caller he ever had. He was the only game caller he ever had.
Jerry Rice was quoted as saying that Gannon was in his opinion better than Joe Montana or Steve Young.
I dont even know why you are debating this. I win every time.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am
467.Raiders for life Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 14th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Whats worrisome, is that Ford is in his 3rd year….this is when he should be breaking out and shining and taking his game to the next level and trying to earn a big contract.
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Wonder if being stuck out in Napa has him going through Club Hoppin withdrawls?
He likes that puss.
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Oooff!
What clubs Ford be partying at?
All I know, is he needs to get his head out of his azz!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Terrell Pryor was playing aginst guys who have a better chance of selling life insurance this season than starting in the NFL.
All those cutesy little moves would have looked ridiculous going against Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee.
He was CLEARLY the best athlete on the field with no close comparision, and put up exactly zero points in a half.
That was awful.
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palmer had a rating of 27 and is a 10 year vet, that is what i would consider truly awful
August 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am
I mean, if he were to go line up as a WR or TE, could he be any rawer as he was as a QB? The coaches are talking about “huddle procedure” which I guess would be the equivalent of a WR not knowing how to line up at the LOS.
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TP is not starting at 0. He has played the postion before.
Putting him at WR or TE would be starting at 0.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Someone mentioned that we have to keep 3 QB’s anyway.
Not true, a handful of teams each year only carry 2 QB’s, and during the MNF game, Tirico and Gruden were talking about the option that Dallas may only go with 2 QB’s this season.
Not saying cut Pryor or anything, but you can’t just say, hey screw it, we need a 3rd QB more than the best 53 players on the team, because that’s what we are supposed to do.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Plunett and Gannon had the same look in their eye when walking to that line of scrimmage. They’re cut from the same cloth. True competitors that believe in work first, play later.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Yeah, this is time of year Melvin will need to try and manufacture as many runs as possible for the A’s.
Do alot to bunting, fake bunting, hit and running, stealing, bunt and running. Alot of sacrifice bunting.
Beans needs to make a deal for another reliever also and it might be time to put Balfour back as the closer again.
Cook has mo movement on fastball right now and he should just be throwing sliders.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
“STFU Sliverdumbsht. You’ve got no clue.”
I have no clue LMFAO your fat dumb country ass couldn’t even read the post before opening your mouth to see what DA had said.
Try reading its fundamental.
If your fat lazy ass would have taken the time to read the above post you wouldn’t have came off as such a uneducated dolt.
But you didn’t and it was fun spanking you publicly yet AGAIN!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
A’s have been one slugger short of a dynasty for 10 years now. Same this year.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
By all accounts, Pryor has a great work ethic and loves the game and wants to be great.
So, with all this work he has put in, how come he is about the rawest QB I may have ever seen?.
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Keep in mind that Carson Palmer himself complained about not spending enough time with then Head Coach-Offensive Coordinator and de-facto QB Coach Hue Jackson, so it’s safe to say nobody paid much attention to Terrelle Pryor’s development last year.
Kid is basically a rookie and having a QB Coach now and a great QB tutor in Knapp should help a lot, no excuses for TP if he has not improved considerably a year from now.
All this work you say JFB has likely come over the last fews months, once Knapp-DeFillipo came aboard.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I was old enough to watch the Raiders win the Super Bowl in ‘83 (unlike most people commenting here), and I can tell you right now that Gannon was the closest thing to Plunkett this organization has ever seen.
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Gannon was better than Plunkett. Gannon was an NFL MVP, an award that Plunkett never sniffed. Jim Plunkett was a mediocre regular-season QB who stepped it up in the playoffs and REALLY stepped it up in the Super Bowls. But there’s a reason that every team he was with after his 3rd year or so in the league was always looking to replace him. Heck, WE tried to replace him with Marc Wilson for the better part of a decade.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
he looked like a lot of rookies look in thier first ever nfl action,
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You just mentioned two guys who looked solid, playing against better competition!!!
Yes Palmer threw a bad pass (more of a worse decision than throw in my eyes), and Pryor looked like crap as well.
Why are the two mutually exclusive to you?
Oh yeah……….nevermind
August 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am
666 is just getting along with everyone today, isn’t he?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am
AGREE WITH POST-950.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Cook has mo movement on fastball right now and he should just be throwing sliders.
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Same thing happened to The Beard, and he needed Tommy John about 40 innings later.
Watch for that.
Late-life and movement on a fastball come from a stronger arm, and it flattens out when the arm is tired.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Come on DJ Sullie Fresh open up to us bloggers and share with us the date and time of your upcoming show!
Did you guys know that if you click on my moniker you will go to Sullivan44’s web site and you can email him….but he will threaten to call the FBI if you do, so be careful!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
Oh, excuse me.
You didn’t say Gannon was an all-time great – just that he played like one for the Raids.
He wasn’t an all-time great for long – just for a short stint. He was as great as any other all-time great, for a short period.
Do I have it correct now ?
Wouldn’t want to misrepresent what you’re saying.
That would be an all-time injustice.
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Yes, now you have it right. Which is important. If you are going to have an argument and try to use my words against me, you better get your quote right otherwise your argument is pretty much dead in the water.
As for what I said, now that you understand it.
Gannon had years that can be put next to some of the best years any QB has had. Plunkett and Stabler cannot say that.
Gannon won wherever he went. And I fail to see how a QB who has one of the top 5 greatest seasons in history (2002) can be said to have been deficient and “could have been better if he had a better arm”. Exactly how much better would he have been? You couldnt be much better than he was.
Plunkett and Stabler played with much better teams and a much better Al Davis. That is why they have 3 rings between them. Stabler had the best offensive line in football history and quite arguably the best defensive back core in history.
Plunkett had Marcus freaking Allen in his prime and an even better defense.
I can go on and on with the facts of the matter but youve already said you care to hear them. You are blinded by the arm-strength argument when theres a good chance Gannon had a better arm than Stabler. He had a faster release that is for sure. And Plunkett may have had a better arm but his release was as slow as Jason Campbell’s.
Stabler was an all-time great when it came to “clutch factor”. Plunkett was a winner. But if your only knock on Gannon is his arm strength, it’s no wonder you want to ignore the stats.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
This year crop of rookie QB’s actually played football last year, TP was a like a lost puppy in Oakland last year with only Palmer paying some attention to him from what I can gather.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Bob,
I remember hearing reports from our scribes that Pryor was working after practice with Saunders from time to time.
An hour with Saunders is probably more beneficial than a day with Hue.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
The A’s as a team need to focus more on hitting line drives and putting good wood on the bat, instead of getting HR happy.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I’LL TAKE THE 2 RINGS OVER MVP AWARDS ALL DAY LONG..
August 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am
What an interesting conundrum to be in…your an upcoming DJ you want to promote your shows….but you cant because you have angered so many people now you have to hide behind a fake moniker.
How will DJ Sullie Fresh promote his upcoming shows if he is afraid of online bloggers?
This will be interesting to watch play out…Stay tuned!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am
99 and Riff,
You have a good debate going on, with two good Semi’s, but can you condense it down a tad so I can read it all?
Thanks,
Management
August 15th, 2012 at 11:38 am
These are the words of a first year coach saving face.
TIM never should have thrown the ball to begin with, or at least he should have thrown it “on time”. Let’s face it though – TIM got totally played by the SS who first crept to the line and then dropped into the middle right before the snap. SS had him in his sights the whole time.
Pay attention TIM!
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– Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up. Overall, you’re going to take that shot, and we want to be aggressive there.”
August 15th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
he looked like a lot of rookies look in thier first ever nfl action,
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You just mentioned two guys who looked solid, playing against better competition!!!
Yes Palmer threw a bad pass (more of a worse decision than throw in my eyes), and Pryor looked like crap as well.
Why are the two mutually exclusive to you?
Oh yeah……….nevermind
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You cant compare RGIII & R wilson to pryor. RGIII and wilson ( both of whom you told me couldnt play nfl qb ) looked solid but they both have had considerable first team qb reps all through training camp. Pryor is not.
RGIII and Wilson were already polished passers in college, pryor isnt nearly as prepared at ohio state, where he beat teams with his athleticism and the threat of a competent passing game. wilson ran a pro style offense for his entire college career. RGIII is THIS SINGLE MOST ACCURATE AND NATURAL PASSER I HAVE EVER SEEN PLAY COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND WILL REDEFINE THE NFL QB (ALONG WITH CAM NEWTON). THEY ARE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE
2 totally different types of qb’s bra. besides most qb will not look as good as wilson and RGIII these are two of the most talented qbs to come in the nfl and where head and shoulders better than the rest ( along with luck ).
August 15th, 2012 at 11:41 am
JFB.
Maybe we should turn TP into Al Saunders personal project, spend an hour or two each day working on the nuances of becoming an NFL QB.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:41 am
““It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.”
So a QB should NOT do what his coach asks of him.
Interesting perspective….NOT!
Your logic is flawed. What exactly was your point and who is TIM.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am
The A’s need hitters. They always have. They’re a farm system for the rest of the league. These guys like Reddick and Cespedes will be with Boston or Yanks in a few years.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am
You tards can cry all you want but guess what PALMER IS OUR QB!!!!
You don’t like it take it up with RM and DA then take your limp wrist ass to go buy some tickets and watch the team across the bay!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am
The Wave of the Future again!!!
I hope this new wave includes playoff appearances this season.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I saw Cunningham play many games at Vegas with Coach Hyde. RC put the team on his back almost every single game and was plenty accurate. He always played lights out.
He was also one of the first highly acclaimed black “scrambling” QB’s if I rember correctly.
TP is not even close to RC was at this stage of the game. Same with VY.
I hope TP makes it but I bet Reggie drafts a qb next year.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am
666, whenever I think I have anger management issues, I observe your behavior and quickly realize I’m doing just fine.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am
“you tards”
Just making all kinds of friends, aren’t you, 666?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am
JFB just watches the 4th quarter of pre-season games to see who his future competition will be.
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LMAO
August 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Bob,
I honestly would be pretty disappointed if that WASN’T already happening.
Maybe not everyday, but Pryor has this great work ethic, but my question is what the hell is he working on?
Kind of like the Tebow thing (who also has a supposed great work ethic). Are you working on mechanics and footwork, or flipping tires down the strett until 4am?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Mystic
Thats the first I heard of Callahan throwing the game. I think it was Al’s arrogance and Callahans incompetence and Barrets bi polar that blew that game.
Throw in some jitters from Gannon and Gruden has been on easy street since then.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Russel wilson will be the man that saves pete caroll in seattle, flynn will get carrol axed
August 15th, 2012 at 11:49 am
We need Burress. 1 year contract. 10 wins, wild card.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Yes, now you have it right. Which is important. If you are going to have an argument and try to use my words against me, you better get your quote right otherwise your argument is pretty much dead in the water.
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EXACTLY!
You People need to learn this.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Raider Riff -763,
Great post Riff. In several posts I tried defended Gannon but didn’t put much effort into it since the caliber of posters this morning was low, to say the least.
Anyone dishing on Gannon is sublimely ignorant or was in diapers when he played for the Raiders.
Another Gannon stat is that he rush for over 1250 yds in 5 seasons with the Raiders.
I have stated many time that the Raiders should have hired Gannon as either head coach or GM, but of course AD could never employ anyone who took the limelight away from him, and Gannon would have done just that.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:51 am
he went 8-15 50 yards and a pick. he added 21 yards rushing and picked up first downs on scrambles. These numbers are not awful for a nfl pre season debut
he looked like a lot of rookies look in thier first ever nfl action, and i though he was impressive with some of the growth he has shown since his layoff.
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Sure, TP’s numbers were OK. But stats don’t tell the real story in this case. At least not the story that’s most important about Pryor.
Virtually every one of his completions was a simple checkdown. He made one good throw on 3rd and long, other than that his non-checkdowns were off the mark. Didn’t get a sense that he’ll be able to be consistently accurate on intermediate stuff anytime soon, if ever.
Arm strength is good. Might have success with deep passes before he gains consistency on the intermediate stuff.
His scrambling and mobility is off the charts good. There is no doubt he can extend plays and will buy firsts with his legs.
But merely extending a play isn’t enough. He needs to be looking to throw while on the move and keep his bulbs on his rcvrs while he buys time. He had at least one good opportunity to make a throw on the move but didn’t pull the trigger.
Pryor has all-world physical ability and I believe he can master the mental aspects of the position – but it will all go down the drain if he can’t demonstrate the ability to accurately chuck the pigskin.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Ford catches nice ball in practice, hope he does the same with a SS coming at him on Friday..
August 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
8-15 for 50 yards is the exact type of offense that Mistic always clowns on.
3 yards an attempt for a whole half?? LMAO….that is the most dink and dunk, noodle-armed statline I could imagine.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
That was hilarious when Gannon publicly offered to help Al run the team. That was a diss, make no mistake. And boy did the Raiders take the bait. Herrera was steamed. Good times. Glad the organization has turned the page but I am kind of going to miss that sort of Billy Martin/Steinbrenner drama that Davis had with so many former employees.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
LMAO…. YOU PEOPLE !!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
“it worked in practice” – Tom Cable
August 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
NFL is still showing the pack.dago monday game.
Is Warren Sapp in charge of programing?
I still dont believe it but I got sick hours before the game and its was ablur. I barely remember bits and pieces.
But espn has showed Death ro lay out Wittens spleen about 50 times in the past hour
August 15th, 2012 at 11:54 am
If people want to bag on Gannon, they’re free to do so and entitled to their opinions. Yeah he was a good Raider when he played, but now he seems like a hater who spews nonsense. jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am
See where the pigskin needs to go, then accurately, chunk it down there.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am
“Pryor has this great work ethic, but my question is what the hell is he working on?”
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Lol…..I have wondered that too! Just what the heck is Pryor working on and why is it taking so long to sink in??
Seems like Pryor is just not getting it.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
NFL is still showing the pack.dago monday game.
Is Warren Sapp in charge of programing?
I still dont believe it but I got sick hours before the game and its was ablur. I barely remember bits and pieces.
But espn has showed Death ro lay out Wittens spleen about 50 times in the past hour
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LMAO Funny schit man!
August 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am
I still dont believe it but I got sick hours before the game and its was ablur. I barely remember bits and pieces.
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Hillbilly herion will do that to you
August 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am
There is nothing Gannon has said about this organization since leaving that is “nonsense”. He’s hit the nail on the head, every time.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Jake Locker (1st round pick): 7/13, 80 yards, and 0 TDs & INTs.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I still get a kick out of “huddle procedure”.
You mean to tell me that in 11 games last season and more weeks of practice of strictly watching, mixed with a whole offseason, some OTA’s and a training camp, and we are still working out the kinks of “huddle procedure”?
Good grief!!!
Just doesn’t invoke hope that he is going to learn the nuances of the playbook very easily.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am
That was hilarious when Gannon publicly offered to help Al run the team. That was a diss, make no mistake. And boy did the Raiders take the bait. Herrera was steamed. Good times
MR the moron. You turn every story upside down in your quest to quench your hate for the Raiders.
Whats the over and under on the games you will meltdown at? You have had some classics over the past 6 years.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Bob,
I honestly would be pretty disappointed if that WASN’T already happening.
Maybe not everyday, but Pryor has this great work ethic, but my question is what the hell is he working on?
Kind of like the Tebow thing (who also has a supposed great work ethic). Are you working on mechanics and footwork, or flipping tires down the strett until 4am?.
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Lol.
Come on man, footwork and mechanics are not a piece of cake and it takes live action reps to develop, you can work on them all you want but until you have to execute them with a LB or DE on your face you won’t really improve, lack of reps is TP’s major hurdle in terms of development.
Just like your jump-shot, you can live in the gym shooting 1000 a day and making half, but until you can make them with a guy on your face, coming off a screen or out of balance, it won’t do you much good come gametime.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Someone should have spoken up and taken AD on 10 yrs ago once he became incompetent to run the team, which, contrary to what most believe was not his team; it was the team owned by a general partnership known as the “Oakland Raiders.”
Of course Gannon spoke up against the Raiders and Davis: he had a brain in his head, didn’t he?
August 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Gannon has the Raiders ranked 25th, how bout you Sully?
August 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Firebaby
The Giants just lost the division? Time to hug your panda bear>
August 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Big-time Timmy Jim against Strasburg here in an hour.
That’s some big-boy baseball right there fellers.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Hmmm, like the idea of the idea that someone could have taken Al head on…unless you really don’t know who Al is/was…good luck with that one!
Agreed that Al should have stepped down, but it was his team…he made the rules! Time will tell what happens now! Stay tuned!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Fire baby! You must have some elephant in you.
Doc cut me off the soma. (sad face)
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I saw Cunningham play many games at Vegas with Coach Hyde. RC put the team on his back almost every single game and was plenty accurate. He always played lights out.
He was also one of the first highly acclaimed black “scrambling” QB’s if I rember correctly.
TP is not even close to RC was at this stage of the game. Same with VY.
I hope TP makes it but I bet Reggie drafts a qb next year.
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1.) randall cunnigham played in six games as a rookie in 1985 and posted a completion percentage of 42!!! i would say he wasnt a very accurate passer entering the pros. i saw him play and remember he was erratic and had a problem with over throwing in the middle and not putting touch on short passes. he improved but his highest ever was a 62.% completion rate. pryor is very similar, and may be able to also improve his accuracy.
2.) VY posted a 51 % in his rookie year, and has a high percentage of 62
3.) pryor is very similar to both guys as he posted a percentage better than 50% monday night so why wouldnt he be on par with the others?
4.) im all for drafting a qb if pryor proves he isnt the man for the future. geno smith logan thomas and ej manual are the guys i think would be perfect for our team
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
2 people are responsible for the SB loss IMO:
1- BC: he should have been better prepared to play Gruden who knows our players and the playbook.
2- Gannon: he threw 5 INTs in the biggest game of his career. 5!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Big-time Timmy Jim against Strasburg here in an hour.
That’s some big-boy baseball right there fellers.
Huh?
August 15th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I think the Melk knew this was going to happen, there were rumors earlier, and that’s why he was hitting like crap the last 2 weeks.
Well, should make his FA price tag go massively down.
Belt and Pence will pick up the slack offensively, Blanco defensively.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
“MR the moron. You turn every story upside down in your quest to quench your hate for the Raiders.”
So true then the little dysfunctional DJ acts like he is a Raider fan.
Whats even funnier is that his self esteem is so low he comes in here for confirmation and thinks that we are all like him….here to make life long friendship with other dweebs.
I get more amusement from this blog than watching an episode of Hard Core pawn!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Raider O Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
2 people are responsible for the SB loss IMO:
1- BC: he should have been better prepared to play Gruden who knows our players and the playbook.
2- Gannon: he threw 5 INTs in the biggest game of his career. 5!!!
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Again, 5!!! lol
August 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Finally!! A great game on ESPU. They sure pick some stinkers lately.
I am on the Nat bandwagon
August 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“2.) VY posted a 51 % in his rookie year, and has a high percentage of 62″
You do realize that VY sucks so bad he tried to kill himself and his coach had to talk him out of it.
What is he 3rd string in Buffalo these days YEAH that’s an accomplishment that Pryor should strive for!
Its called lowered expectations.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
5 dollar foot long!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
I re-watched that SB game for the first time a few years ago.
Couldn’t believe how much we dominated the first 10 minutes of the game, and then how quickly it fell apart in the next 20.
Just couldn’t get anybody to stem the tide and the wheels feel right off.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Mystic
That was thirty years ago. You must have looked that up.
I just remember him kicking butt and taking over games.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
To be fair, Plunkethead, you spin every story to quench your kool aid thirst for the Raiders. You probably think Jacoby Ford is a future hall of famer. I keep it real. It’s my style, and I don’t apologize for it.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
8-15 for 50 yards is the exact type of offense that Mistic always clowns on.
3 yards an attempt for a whole half?? LMAO….that is the most dink and dunk, noodle-armed statline I could imagine.
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i would never disparage this kind of performance in a rookie pre season debut, in fact i find it very encouraging. especially considering that he hasnt played live football in over 20 months.
we are not talking about a 10 year posting a 27 rating and throwing a pic in his first series of the season after all
August 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
If you ask em it would be better for Pryor to strive to be Doug Williams and win a Super Bowl rather than the guys you are comparing him to.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
5 dollar foot long!
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Got it! Gannon should do Subway commercials!! Five, Five, Five in-ter-cep-tions!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
you dont need a rocket arm to play in this offense, pryors strength will be intermediate passing and the short game. matched up with horizontal stretching of the defense and our team speed this could be a good combination.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Cunningham got robbed from being the first black QB to actually be the starter all year and go to the Bowl. He was awesome that year.
And he was done in by a white African!!!
The irony
August 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
” I keep it real. It’s my style, and I don’t apologize for it.”
Yes he is stuck in the 90’s just like his poorly sampled beats he DJ’s with. But hey its his style and he will not apologize for it.
LMFAO at his Nickelodeon style!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Tx210…damn right.The pair of these piles have parlayed winning squat in the S&B into careers as talking heads that pays them out the wazoo….Gannon is just plain hostile…prolly coz AL gave him the order of the boot.
And Gruden was at his best when we got 2 1st’s 2 seconds and $8 mil for his sorry a$$.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I never said RC and VY were real accurate. I said RC was plenty accurate enough and that he had “it”. Same with VY. When I compare their college carrers, I say RC and VY were way ahead of TP, Thats all.
But thanks for the good stats.
File those away firebaby!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Stuck in the ’90s, Nickelodeon style. lol. Congratulations, 666. You made a funny.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Mistic,
I hope you envision that thoroughly in your head and maybe on Madden, because Pryor will not be playing any QB this season.
Palmer and Leinart could both get hurt, and there will probably be a greater chance we try to trade for Gerrard or Matt Moore before they start Pryor.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
LOL Tx.
Not 1
Not 2
Not 3
Not 4
5!!!!!!!
You can’t win a football game when your QB throws 5 ints!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
“” I keep it real. It’s my style, and I don’t apologize for it.””
Yeah he keeps it real by having multiple monikers and hiding behind them and then when he was outed he still had to lie and hide.
That’s the DJ Sullie Fresh way of Keeping it real!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Tx210…damn right.The pair of these piles have parlayed winning squat in the S&B into careers as talking heads that pays them out the wazoo….Gannon is just plain hostile…prolly coz AL gave him the order of the boot.
And Gruden was at his best when we got 2 1st’s 2 seconds and $8 mil for his sorry a$$.
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I just see zero logic in Gannon ranking the team 25th. They were 8-8 last year, but did bring in major upgrades in coaching/players. It’s down right retarded that he can’t at least rank them mid-pack ish.imo
August 15th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
“keep it real” is pretty played. But at least I don’t engage in the even more played “out” when saying goodbye. That was annoying in the ’90s when it first started.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Raider O Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
2 people are responsible for the SB loss IMO:
1- BC: he should have been better prepared to play Gruden who knows our players and the playbook.
2- Gannon: he threw 5 INTs in the biggest game of his career. 5!!!
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Of course he threw 5 INTs. Thanks to Callahan not changing the playbook one iota, TB’s defense knew exactly who was running what route on every audible and where Gannon would be looking. Easy to get interceptions when you know the opposing offense’s playbook and audible calls.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
MR Thats the nices thing you ever said about me (happy face)
August 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“2.) VY posted a 51 % in his rookie year, and has a high percentage of 62″
You do realize that VY sucks so bad he tried to kill himself and his coach had to talk him out of it.
What is he 3rd string in Buffalo these days YEAH that’s an accomplishment that Pryor should strive for!
Its called lowered expectations.
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You completely missed my point.
Vy has unbelievable natural ability even despite his mechanics. Just like pryor does today. However pryor is committed to being the best, vy never has made that commitment. pryor will be better than vy, maybe not quite as good as randall became.
He will fall between these two. that is good enough to win it all in the nfl.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider O Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
LOL Tx.
Not 1
Not 2
Not 3
Not 4
5!!!!!!!
You can’t win a football game when your QB throws 5 ints!
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LOL Yet some people wanted Palmer ousted for a nicely thrown dropped ball the other night! wtf
August 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Just man up and tell us where you are DJ’ing next so we can all come to see you in action.
Who knows we could become BBFF (Best Blog friends forever)
August 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
See, 666? The Nickolodeon thing was funny, then you start getting mad again. You get in your own way.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
As to Slowlando McLazy…..one easy hit served up to him on a silver platter by the much overrated QB Tony Romo does not make Slowlando a player
even a blind dog finds a bone once in awhile. hell it was an easy play and slow eneded up on his arse and did not even wrap up whitten. Big freakin deal. see what he brings friday
August 15th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I don’t get this whole “Gruden knew the audibles” thing
Shouldn’t have Gannon and Callahan known this? Why would anybody be surpised that if you kept the same line calls, your previous coach of 4 years would still remember them?
That might be the stupidest thing I ever heard, if they kept the calls EXACTLY the same.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
5 dollar foot long!
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Got it! Gannon should do Subway commercials!! Five, Five, Five in-ter-cep-tions!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
August 15th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I would never DJ. I would rap if I ever went down that road. Have to be at the front of the stage. That’s my style, too. But I didn’t have to tell anyone here that.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
“Vy has unbelievable natural ability even despite his mechanics. Just like pryor does today. However pryor is committed to being the best, vy never has made that commitment. pryor will be better than vy, maybe not quite as good as randall became.”
Mystic1 I would love nothing more than if Pryor became the starter in 2014 and took us to the promised land.
1. we would not have to draft a QB for many years to come
2. He is the last player Al drafted I would like to see him succeed.
3. Palmer is getting old
4. He is exciting to watch and could be even more exciting!
there is more but I am hungry.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Allen said he agreed with quarterback Carson Palmer’s decision-making process on the first-quarter pass that Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh intercepted. He wasn’t as sold on receiver Jacoby Ford’s aggressiveness in making a play on the ball.
“It wasn’t a double coverage situation,” Allen said in defense of Palmer. “It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.
“Jacoby could have been a little bit better at the end of the route there trying to break that thing up.
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Jacoby ford is dead to me.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Only conclusion is that Gannon is a racist, and mad that Mark hired Reggie for the job. lol just kiddin guys
August 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Mistic,
I hope you envision that thoroughly in your head and maybe on Madden, because Pryor will not be playing any QB this season.
Palmer and Leinart could both get hurt, and there will probably be a greater chance we try to trade for Gerrard or Matt Moore before they start Pryor.
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This maybe true JFB but it would be a dire mistake.
If palmer flops (and he is already stepping in that direction)or gets hurt what good would it do to run lienart out there? he cant take us to the playoffs he isnt the future starter either.
If palmer is out for any reason you must put pryor in so we could get an extended look and decide what to do with him.
This way we wouldnt head into 2013 with pryor as a unknown, we cant afford to play that game
August 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
DJ Sullie Fresh.
“Who knows we could become BBFF (Best Blog friends forever)”
That was funny and you know it!
Its easy to enjoy yourself here when you have no agenda other than seeking cheap entertainment while working.
In your case you take this place so seriously that I doubt you ever have any fun here like I do.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
hahahahaha O
subway. I can see it now
August 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Mistic,
The NFL does not work that way.
I agree that we need to know about Pryor before 2013’s final training camp cuts, but DA and The Reggie don’t have lifetime contracts.
If the team goes 4-12 this season, becuase Palmer flopped and they put in Pryor just to “see what they have”, they both might get fired.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
“Jacoby ford is dead to me.”
I have a feeling that Jacoby Ford will be traded eventually…not because of his play in the game but his overall commitment to the game the position, his craft.
If he can get focused he can be somebody great in this league but that doesn’t happen by tweeting at 3AM on game day.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Come on man, footwork and mechanics are not a piece of cake and it takes live action reps to develop, you can work on them all you want but until you have to execute them with a LB or DE on your face you won’t really improve, lack of reps is TP’s major hurdle in terms of development.
Just like your jump-shot, you can live in the gym shooting 1000 a day and making half, but until you can make them with a guy on your face, coming off a screen or out of balance, it won’t do you much good come gametime.
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Bob
Nice analogy, but doesn’t Pryor get work simulating the game in practice? Aren’t his form and footwork scrutinized with coaching and repitition? Just like the jump shot, form must follow function. Anyone who tries to shoot 1000 jumpers but does not correct his form will have little success whether he’s got a hand in his face or not. Pryor has all the simulations and game like conditions he needs to improve in practice. It’s troubling that he’s had a full off season including work down in LA with Palmer and Leinart and still he looks fundamentally flawed.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
But if your only knock on Gannon is his arm strength, it’s no wonder you want to ignore the stats.
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Not ignoring his stats at all. He had some great stats and I keep telling you I think he was an excellent QB.
He’d have been even better if he didn’t have such lackluster arm strength.
I rank Snake easily ahead of Gannon. No doubt he benefitted from a great supporting cast and some of the best protection the NFL has ever seen. Gannon wasn’t exactly surrounded by scrubs though, either.
Snake didn’t have a great arm to begin with and it lost considerable strength by the end of his career, but in his prime Stabler made throws Gannon couldn’t dream of and Snake was deadly accurate. Good observation about his the ‘clutch gene’.
Plunkett over Gannon in a closer contest. Plunk threw a great deep ball. Opponents always had to fear the Raider vertical game when he was on the field. Got it done when it mattered most. Tough as nails. Doesn’t have the great stats, but he does have TWO rings.
Again, I think Gannon was an excellent QB. If you consider acknowledging that he had limited arm strength as a knock against Gannon – then fine, I’m knocking Gannon. Whatever floats your boat.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
“Jacoby ford is dead to me.”
I have a feeling that Jacoby Ford will be traded eventually…not because of his play in the game but his overall commitment to the game the position, his craft.
If he can get focused he can be somebody great in this league but that doesn’t happen by tweeting at 3AM on game day.
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Exactly, Reg ain’t having no part-time employees!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
“Jacoby ford is dead to me.”
I have a feeling that Jacoby Ford will be traded eventually…not because of his play in the game but his overall commitment to the game the position, his craft.
If he can get focused he can be somebody great in this league but that doesn’t happen by tweeting at 3AM on game day.
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couldn’t agree more
August 15th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Pryor has the athletic ability to turn things around, but I just don’t think he has the amount of time people in here think he does.
He HAS TO get better and improve, like right now.
If Pryor continues to put up goose eggs and play like “dog-crap”, he better hope a few decent vets don’t get released soon and give The Reggie any reason to think about that as a better option.
A TD or two over the next few weeks would do wonders for him and his cause to stick around as a potential option at QB.
However, that option has to be 2013, not 2014.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I’d be willing to cut Pryor some slack if he made his reads and checked down instead of freaking out after his one read and trying to make a great play downfield. He’s not ready for that. He needs to make baby steps.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I was wondering what you were talking about JFB…now I know! Wow…what a way to come down the stretch!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
At this point, I don’t have a lot of faith that Pryor can ramp up to NFL quality at the QB position in the time frame that Reggie needs. Unless he’s willing to help out as a gunner or switch positions, he’s a liability at QB and it hurts all other skill position players on the team who are fighting for their jobs as well.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Hwnrdr,
It says here he just cost himself somewhere between 15-30 million dollars.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
3AM tweets by J Ford on gameday? That schit aint right. He needs to get his head right. Work before play.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
People still in here yapping like a chihuahua about the 3rd string QB?
Out.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Hwnrdr,
It says here he just cost himself somewhere between 15-30 million dollars.
WOW! Was it worth it MC?
August 15th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Its a Hard Knock Life, so who’s going to be the star of Hard Knocks with Ocho gone? I vote for the Miami Dolphin Cheerleaders.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
If Tavaris Jackson wasn’t owed 4 million he would be an intersting backup.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
*interesting
August 15th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
So what you’re saying is, 666, is that you take this blog seriously? It’s like business to you? I’d rather be here to have fun than be here under some kind of life or death circumstances. That’s twisted, imo.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Pryor has the athletic ability to turn things around, but I just don’t think he has the amount of time people in here think he does.
He HAS TO get better and improve, like right now.
If Pryor continues to put up goose eggs and play like “dog-crap”, he better hope a few decent vets don’t get released soon and give The Reggie any reason to think about that as a better option.
A TD or two over the next few weeks would do wonders for him and his cause to stick around as a potential option at QB.
However, that option has to be 2013, not 2014.
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I can definitely agree with that JFB.
TP has a QB guru in Knapp and a QB Coach to spend time with now, one year from now, pre-season of 2013, TP must show marked improvement from his first real NFL action on MNF.
I’m cautiously optimistic about the kid.
Now we saw him play 20 minutes of football without much help from his OL, can’t really make your full read when a guy is in your face 2 second after the snap.
There’s a chance TP plays better on Friday and that will be an encouraging sign.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I don’t get this whole “Gruden knew the audibles” thing
Shouldn’t have Gannon and Callahan known this? Why would anybody be surpised that if you kept the same line calls, your previous coach of 4 years would still remember them?
That might be the stupidest thing I ever heard, if they kept the calls EXACTLY the same.
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They did. And it was.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Als arrogance, Callahans incompetence, Barrets bipolar and Gannons “jitters”
August 15th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Speaking of Cheerleaders, anyone remember that Raider Cheerleader the camera focused on in the game. It was after DMC run and before Palmer’s int. Her hair was sticking to her face a lil probably from sweat, very sexy look, she looked like a dirty girl but in a good way, lol. I don’t know her name, but she is my new favorite Raiderette.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Sandusky44 your a delusional little dweeb who always twists and contorts words posted here by me and many others who will claim this to be a fact.
I understand this is your only outlet for attention and you base your self esteem on what others here think of you but seriously if you read post #1012 again it might make sense.
My statement was pretty simple since you cant read there is no sense in me re posting what I had previously said.
Since I could care less what you or anyone else here thinks I don’t trip on your lies I just laugh at them.
This blog is for amusement if you allow your emotions to get all worked up over words on a computer screen then you have bigger problems than I or anyone else here can help you with.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
O that’s hardly fair.Locker was a senior stud QB in the Pac howevermanynowadays and Pryor was a soph in the Big 10….Pac whatever plays almost exclusively pro set with the exception of those diehards in Corvalis who thihk the wing t is awesome and proceed to kick a$$ with it god bless em.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
“Honestly my motor doesn’t stop,” when asked what the best part of his game is, adding, “I can be lined up on the weak side of the ball and the ball is going away from me you won’t see my jog; I’ll be sprinting to go get the ball. I’m going to chase the ball until the whistle is blown.”
Stout and rock-solid, he loves those rare opportunities when defenses tempt fate and try to block him one-on-one.
“I know I got the offensive guard one on one,” he said. “If I’m not sacking the quarterback, I’m making that quarterback run for his life. I’m going to bull [the guard] back or I’m going to just use a move and get past him.”
August 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
899.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
On another note Russel wilson and RGIII looked spectacular in their openers. I wished we could have gotten our hands on one of these two guys. Some folks here tried to tell me that neither one would be any good, early returns say those folks are dead wrong.
When you have an exciting qb, football is fun to watch. When your qb is a turnover machine it is painful, much like our season last year.
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What about Luck’s debut?
What’d you think?
August 15th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
It’s good to see you’re finally cheering up, 666.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
lol, Johnny. You’re taking his bait, big time.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
hahahahaha O
subway. I can see it now
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Give credit to Hwnrdr & Tx.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
But if your only knock on Gannon is his arm strength, it’s no wonder you want to ignore the stats.
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Not ignoring his stats at all. He had some great stats and I keep telling you I think he was an excellent QB.
He’d have been even better if he didn’t have such lackluster arm strength.
I rank Snake easily ahead of Gannon. No doubt he benefitted from a great supporting cast and some of the best protection the NFL has ever seen. Gannon wasn’t exactly surrounded by scrubs though, either.
Snake didn’t have a great arm to begin with and it lost considerable strength by the end of his career, but in his prime Stabler made throws Gannon couldn’t dream of and Snake was deadly accurate. Good observation about his the ‘clutch gene’.
Plunkett over Gannon in a closer contest. Plunk threw a great deep ball. Opponents always had to fear the Raider vertical game when he was on the field. Got it done when it mattered most. Tough as nails. Doesn’t have the great stats, but he does have TWO rings.
Again, I think Gannon was an excellent QB. If you consider acknowledging that he had limited arm strength as a knock against Gannon – then fine, I’m knocking Gannon. Whatever floats your boat.
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You know who had poor arm strength, Josh McCown.
Gannon had average arm strength. Did he have an arm like Elway? Of course not. And how many SuperBowls did that arm of Elways get him? Zero until a decent running game showed up.
Im going to ask you one more time, how much better should Gannon had been in your eyes? He put up HOF caliber numbers when he was designated the starter no matter where he went. He didnt play enough years to be in the HOF obviously but that is besides the point.
How much better could Gannon have been in 2002? Did his arm cost us the SuperBowl? No way. Ive already said multiple times here that Callahan mysteriously changed the gameplan just a few days before the SuperBowl and completely tossed out what the team had been working on the previous two weeks. We lost that game because of treason!
Exactly what throw could Gannon not make? Should I bring up all of Stabler and Plunketts faults? Their list is a lot longer than one. Which is what Gannons list is if you can even call “not having a Marion arm” and weakness. Both Stabler and Plunkett had slow releases. Release speed is far more important than arm strength.
And dont even try to tell me that Stabler was more accurate than Gannon. He might have been as accurate, but more accurate? You cant get more accurate than the guy who holds all the career Raider QB records, including QB accuracy. Do you not see how lame your argument sounds?
How many SuperBowls does Cliff Branch have? You going to tell me he was better than Tim Brown? You have lost your mind if you do.
Jerry Rice said that Gannon was the best he ever played with. That would mean you feel Stabler was better than Joe Montana or Steve Young? I hate those f@gs just like the next Raider-fan but Im not blind to the fact that they are both legitimate HOF QB’s. How are you going to argue with Jerry Rice?
SuperBowl wins are team trophies. If Gannon, Stabler, and Plunkett were all on the team right now you know exactly who would be holding the clipboards and it wouldnt be Gannon. He’d out work them til they would want to quit.
And yes, they had way a way better supporting cast than Gannon did. What was our record before Gannon? The 90s sucked. And what was it after Gannon? the ’00s sucked. Same cast and what did Kerry Collins do with it? NOTHING. Their is your rocket arm QB.
The reason Im hammering on you is because when our debate started days ago, you werent calling Gannon “excellent”. You called him a “noodle arm”. Total disrespect. Gannon has never disrespected the Raiders. He’s offered his help and was turned away. He bleeds silver and black just like us. Now you are willing to admit he was excellent. Great. Had you done that in the first place we wouldnt even be arguing.
You can say now that you arent knocking Gannon but you were before. And Twinkie is now.
Nothing Gannon has ever said about the Raiders wasnt true. So you guys need to lay off of him.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
realtruraider Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Speaking of Cheerleaders, anyone remember that Raider Cheerleader the camera focused on in the game. It was after DMC run and before Palmer’s int. Her hair was sticking to her face a lil probably from sweat, very sexy look, she looked like a dirty girl but in a good way, lol. I don’t know her name, but she is my new favorite Raiderette.
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they still have not put the individual roster up yet.
From the looks of the group picture, it appears they have fallen off.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
LMAO that’s a good one your happy for me being happy.
What are you trying to act like Dr Phil now.
I was talking about your demeanor not mine I know what I am I don’t need affirmation from an online blog to feel good about myself.
I understand you have been burned bad by me today and you are trying to save face by acting like I am an angry person and you are Dr Phil.
Nobody is buying it pal just tell us when the next show is so we can all come and cheer for you and your super studly 1990’s keeping it real style of DJing!
August 15th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I’d be really hard for me if I could only be a fan of the Raiders when they wore home uniforms, or I could only be a fan when they wore away uniforms.
Or I could only be a fan of Palmer and not McFadden, or a fan of D. Moore, but not Little Wiz.
Some guys have too much time to think. I just want to watch a game.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
You know who had poor arm strength, Josh McCown.
Agreed right there Riff!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Mistic,
The NFL does not work that way.
I agree that we need to know about Pryor before 2013’s final training camp cuts, but DA and The Reggie don’t have lifetime contracts.
If the team goes 4-12 this season, becuase Palmer flopped and they put in Pryor just to “see what they have”, they both might get fired.
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i disagree. we see it every year a starter falters and the roookie gets the last 3-4 starts of the year to see what he is made of. happens on a routine basis in the nfl, ask kyle orton
August 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
morilla Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
People still in here yapping like a chihuahua about the 3rd string QB?
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Yep…I guess the squad is good shape then….That and the pass our Captain threw whilst working out a fart that was 7 mm’s off target that one of our starting wideouts shortarmed coz he’s sick and tired of the hospital ward decor and wanted to wait til it means something.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
TIM stands for “The Interception Machine” and it’s obvious SB666 you didn’t read what I wrote.
TIM should’a thrown it away.
He could’a told coach “It wasn’t there.”
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Silverandblack666 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:41 am
““It was a thing you coach a quarterback to do, to take a shot when you get those situations.”
So a QB should NOT do what his coach asks of him.
Interesting perspective….NOT!
Your logic is flawed. What exactly was your point and who is TIM.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
899.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
On another note Russel wilson and RGIII looked spectacular in their openers. I wished we could have gotten our hands on one of these two guys. Some folks here tried to tell me that neither one would be any good, early returns say those folks are dead wrong.
When you have an exciting qb, football is fun to watch. When your qb is a turnover machine it is painful, much like our season last year.
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What about Luck’s debut?
What’d you think?
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very solid, he looked like everything he was hyped up to be in my book. indy has thier guy
August 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I’m not going to trade for Colt McKoy or Vince Young just because they attended Texas.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Palmer is the future, Gannon can drink whiskey and watch his SB highlights for all I care.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I get more amusement from this blog than watching an episode of Hard Core pawn!
That family puts the “fun” in dysfunctional. I HATE that loud mouth fat arssed bvtch. I want to throw shvt at the telly when I hear her annoying freakin voice. UGH!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
When you feed IT, you give It life, cut off the food supply It will wither and die.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Bob Marley Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Pryor has the athletic ability to turn things around, but I just don’t think he has the amount of time people in here think he does.
He HAS TO get better and improve, like right now.
If Pryor continues to put up goose eggs and play like “dog-crap”, he better hope a few decent vets don’t get released soon and give The Reggie any reason to think about that as a better option.
A TD or two over the next few weeks would do wonders for him and his cause to stick around as a potential option at QB.
However, that option has to be 2013, not 2014.
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I can definitely agree with that JFB.
TP has a QB guru in Knapp and a QB Coach to spend time with now, one year from now, pre-season of 2013, TP must show marked improvement from his first real NFL action on MNF.
I’m cautiously optimistic about the kid.
Now we saw him play 20 minutes of football without much help from his OL, can’t really make your full read when a guy is in your face 2 second after the snap.
There’s a chance TP plays better on Friday and that will be an encouraging sign.
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This is what I have been saying about Pryor since he got here. His mechanics are terrible. Not sort of bad, terrible. His footwork is terrible, his throwing motion is terrible, and those things are going to hinder not only his accuracy but his development.
In the NFL they can correct a flaw here or there but completely remolding a player is not really in the cards. You have to be at a certain level to be successful here. Pryor was such a wonderful athlete that Jim Tressell just let him go out there and play without much coaching of his game. That is now really going to bite Pryor at this level.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
1083.hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
You know who had poor arm strength, Josh McCown.
Agreed right there Riff!
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I heard on Chicago Tribune Live that JC is now in a battle for the # 2 spot with the aforementioned McCown.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I get more amusement from this blog than watching an episode of Hard Core pawn!
That family puts the “fun” in dysfunctional. I HATE that loud mouth fat arssed bvtch. I want to throw shvt at the telly when I hear her annoying freakin voice. UGH!!!!
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Glad I’m not the only one, that biatch should be single for life!lol
August 15th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
“TIM stands for “The Interception Machine” and it’s obvious SB666 you didn’t read what I wrote.
TIM should’a thrown it away.
He could’a told coach “It wasn’t there.””
Gottcha Dave thanks for clarifying that!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Thec
LOL Nailed it!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
1083.hwnrdr Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
You know who had poor arm strength, Josh McCown.
Agreed right there Riff!
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I heard on Chicago Tribune Live that JC is now in a battle for the # 2 spot with the aforementioned McCown.
Wow! That’s not good!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
“I get more amusement from this blog than watching an episode of Hard Core pawn!
That family puts the “fun” in dysfunctional. I HATE that loud mouth fat arssed bvtch. I want to throw shvt at the telly when I hear her annoying freakin voice. UGH!!!!”
You see Jim got my joke!
“When you feed IT, you give It life, cut off the food supply It will wither and die.”
Thank you Thec good point!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
. happens on a routine basis in the nfl, ask kyle orton
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Or you could ask Kyle Orton’s 2010 coach, who was fired.
Who was the starter who faltered and the rookie who started 3-4 games last year, since it happens every year?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Tell you what Riff….I won’t sh!t on Gannon if you refrain from calling him the best QB etc etc
August 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
1077.Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
lol, Johnny. You’re taking his bait, big time.
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I just respect his opinion on QB’s.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Dr. Phil. lol. You’re cool when you’re funny, 666. Then you start getting serious. You have to relax, man. This isn’t real. Most of us don’t even know each other, and never will. Although of course you did figure out that I’m top DJ, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_x4iF7egNc
August 15th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Who was the rookies to start 3-4 games in 2010?
Tebow? Joe Webb?
Both coaches canned afterwards.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I like watching the complete degradation of Detroit societal norms on “Hardcore Pawn.”
I think the bro wants to do his sister!
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Jesusraiderjim Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I get more amusement from this blog than watching an episode of Hard Core pawn!
That family puts the “fun” in dysfunctional. I HATE that loud mouth fat arssed bvtch. I want to throw shvt at the telly when I hear her annoying freakin voice. UGH!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
time to slink back into the shadows….
ALL you guys enjoy the rest of the day.
1 NATION
August 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Later Thec, be easy man.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Peace out Thec! See you in about a month brother!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Ah sulli is Tiesto in drag…thought I saw you in Ibiza
a few years back.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
When is that Harcore Pawn show on and what channel?
Thanks.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
morilla Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
People still in here yapping like a chihuahua about the 3rd string QB?
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Yep…I guess the squad is good shape then….That and the pass our Captain threw whilst working out a fart that was 7 mm’s off target that one of our starting wideouts shortarmed coz he’s sick and tired of the hospital ward decor and wanted to wait til it means something.
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Why cant you be this intelligent all the time? You were on my radar until you started blasting Gannon and Gruden.
But I guess were all smart once in a while. Mistic has even made a few intelligent posts here in the last coupe hours and I lost hope on him a long time ago.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Thanks again Thec for the great work at training camp.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Harcore pawn is painfully staged. But the old man is cool.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
1104.Raidernationdave Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I like watching the complete degradation of Detroit societal norms on “Hardcore Pawn.”
I think the bro wants to do his sister!
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Jesusraiderjim Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I get more amusement from this blog than watching an episode of Hard Core pawn!
That family puts the “fun” in dysfunctional. I HATE that loud mouth fat arssed bvtch. I want to throw shvt at the telly when I hear her annoying freakin voice. UGH!!!!
Yeah if I was from Detroit I sure would not admit it after watching a episode of that show. I know some of that crap is a set up but some of those people are proof that “crack is whack” know what I mean/
August 15th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
JR Says:
Witten suffered an internal injury after taking a hit from Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain in the first quarter, according to multiple sources…..
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Local radio just said he’s immobilized 7-10 days, but no surgery required. Definitely will not play again in preseason.
I hate the Cowboys, but I also hate to see that happen to a pretty dam good player like Witten. Sh!t happens, though. It’s a physical sport.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
When is that Harcore Pawn show on and what channel?
Thanks.
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On A&E normally later evenings
August 15th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
LOL, Melky Cabrera gets 50 game suspension. Nice job. Guess your numbers were testosterone driven.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Raider fans that blast Gannon and Gruden have to do so by entirely omitting results.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
August 15th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
When is that Harcore Pawn show on and what channel?
Thanks.
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It’s on TRU t v the channel all the “reality or real” tv shows are on. 204 0n DISH
August 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I think hardcore pawn’s on tru tv. Pawn stars is on A&E. Pawn stars is the more legit of the two, more real. Hardcore Pawn is obviously fake a lot of the time, but still entertaining.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
So I’m at work sitting here going over 2013 NFl QB prospects and this seems to be a pretty weak class.
I believe Tajh Boyd will be a steal for someone in the later rounds but I can see alot of bad picks coming from anxious teams
The arguable top 2 QBS are Matt Barkley and Tyler Bray. I’m not on the USC BANDWAGON and I’m not sold on Matt Barkley.. Tyler Bray is a Joke… Sorry Volunteer Fans but Bray is a Pansy who likes to complain and blame’s his recievers for incompletions when really he just doesnt have great accuracy..
Now 2 other possible 1st rounds picks ar Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones
Tyler Wilson I really like and the guy has heart, astrong arm and is accurate. But he plays for Arkansas and Bobby Petrino wont be there plus he had alot of his playmakers leave for the draft so I can see him having a down year. Also not very Mobile
Landry Jones now as a guy who is an Oklahoma Fan I’ve seen alot of his games and the guy is good but really seems to lack Moxie. Now I know your probally thinking wow “Moxie” c’mon get serious but really this guy seems to lose the big games or have big mishaps in the big games and can be inconsistent at times..Almost seems like he lacks a little motivation. He does have a great arm and s a pure pocket passer but not too mobile at all.
Sorry for the Typo’s Dont feel like proof reading
August 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
My wife wants to go up to Detroit to see the store but that is 8 Mile, dangerous area.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Johnny
My bad it’s on Tru tv bro, evenings
August 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Local radio just said he’s immobilized 7-10 days, but no surgery required. Definitely will not play again in preseason.
I hate the Cowboys, but I also hate to see that happen to a pretty dam good player like Witten. Sh!t happens, though. It’s a physical sport.
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Think he sent Romo a thank you card?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Tell you what Riff….I won’t sh!t on Gannon if you refrain from calling him the best QB etc etc
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I dont just call him the best weve ever had, I back it up with evidence.
If all three were on the team, you know who wouldnt be holding the clipboard and it aint Gannon.
I wont make any sort of agreement with you. For the simple fact that their is no excuse to crap on Gannon. Ive given more than enough solid reasons to prop him up like I do, but you on the other hand have no reason whatsoever to crap on him unless you are not a Raider fan. You figure out what you are and then get back with me.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
It’s called hardcore porn..
August 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
My wife wants to go up to Detroit to see the store but that is 8 Mile, dangerous area.
Just save some money and drop her off in East Oakland. Faster trip and cheaper too. She must be crazy LOL!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
PurpleDrank,
Aaron Murray is someone you should be watching for.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Not to act like I’m all in the know with show business, but I know a working actor whose agent has offered him work on some of the ‘reality’ shows on A&E and Tru. Just to give you an idea of how ‘real’ it is.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Riff this may come as a surprise (not likely) but I bet one or more of our brother Raider fans in here thinks that my take on our QB situation is delusional.
Hell they might be right but I for one am sooooooooo
happy that Carson and Matt are in the S&B that I could
just cry…..been a long long long long time.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I love Kenny Powers!
Nice link Sullie!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
All you have to do is watch one episode of Lizard Lick Towing to know that REAL TV is not REAL.
They are always committing felonies in front of a camera that would bring out 10 cop cars in a podunk town like the one they are in.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
1119.Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I think hardcore pawn’s on tru tv. Pawn stars is on A&E. Pawn stars is the more legit of the two, more real. Hardcore Pawn is obviously fake a lot of the time, but still entertaining.
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Not so. I had a friend that went to L.V. and visited the store, All scripted and predetermined. Notice no clients are in the area when they bring in the items. THe store is also smaller than it appears on T.V.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Eminem could handle 8 mile. Just lose yourself in the music, the moment, you own it, you better never let it go.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
1122.TxRaider210 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Johnny
My bad it’s on Tru tv bro, evenings
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Thanks. I’ve seen it once. It’s intense.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Post 1127 (JFB)
Aaron Murray is a great prospect I believe his size keeps him out of the 1st round but I also believe he could come in and be someones Andy Dalton…. I wanna see what his long ball looks like because I’ve had limited time watching him
August 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
666,
Eastbound is actually doing another season. How awesome is that?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Murray and Andy Dalton is a great analogy.
I think Murray has the stronger arm, Dalton maybe a little more athletic.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
So I watched the game (on tv) and saw some interesting things from the game.
1) I got to the game late, but maybe that was good because I really got to focus on Pryor. I know a lot of people think he did bad, but on most of his plays he was either escaping oncoming rushing or his WRs just weren’t open. One of the views you don’t see on tv are the WRs. There was absolutely no considerable separation to throw a questionable pass in 0 – 3 game.
2) The entire gameplan was solid. The most notable play was the screen to McFadden. Very technical and all the appropriate blocking assignments were made with NO PENALTIES! (on that play)
3) Defense was very solid. Mike Mitchell put in work. He looked really good. In fact the whole secondary was in position to tackle on several occasions. The last drive of Dallas’ first teamers our defense stopped them on 3rd down with a solid tackle
August 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Now we saw him play 20 minutes of football without much help from his OL, can’t really make your full read when a guy is in your face 2 second after the snap.
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The O-line didn’t help him out much, but he had solid protection a few times and he would panic to soon, maybe in part due to the schity line play.
I know we have no backup OT that I would feel good about if we needed one. Barksdale looks almost to big and not at all athletic enough and Wang, Haslem didn’t look any better. Its hard to find good OT’s so I doubt we will be able to pick up anyone on waivers that will be worth a schit, alot of teams are looking to upgrade that position
August 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
whats up nation. for all the guys who are down on palmer throwing the int thats what preseason is for to try plays out and see how well they work. if this were a reg season game maybe palmer doesnt throw that ball and maybe ford tries harder to bring it down. its preseason guys calm down my raider brethren.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
1133.Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Eminem could handle 8 mile. Just lose yourself in the music, the moment, you own it, you better never let it go.
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I like Lotto in that movie. “Blabbidy blah, blabbidy blah”.
Try diggin up info on where this guy came from and who he is and u come up snake eyes. His name his Calvin Broadmoose or something. Must’ve been some guy Eminem knew from his past or something.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
A show about a pawn shop in Mich?!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Remember LaFonda, from Napolean Dynomite? The girl his brother hooks up with chatting online? She was in a reality show, playing a supposed normal person, once. They tried to make her look different but it was her.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
WTF are you guys talking about?
Andy Dalton? Aaron Murray?
Eminem?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
RaiderReign,
preseason hasn’t even started yet.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
The O-line didn’t help him out much, but he had solid protection a few times and he would panic to soon, maybe in part due to the schity line play.
I know we have no backup OT that I would feel good about if we needed one. Barksdale looks almost to big and not at all athletic enough and Wang, Haslem didn’t look any better. Its hard to find good OT’s so I doubt we will be able to pick up anyone on waivers that will be worth a schit, alot of teams are looking to upgrade that position
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He didn’t panick.. His Wrs weren’t open often
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I thought season 3 was the last one of East Bound and Down?
When did you hear they were doing a season 4?
I better call Comcast and get HBO back I cancelled it after season 3 ended.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Quick question….
Which team out there has a better 3rd string QB than we do?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Post 1127 (JFB)
Aaron Murray is a great prospect I believe his size keeps him out of the 1st round but I also believe he could come in and be someones Andy Dalton…. I wanna see what his long ball looks like because I’ve had limited time watching him
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havent seen a whole lot of him but from what I have seen imo the kid is overrated
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I can’t believe it, but I’ve never even watched 8 mile in its entirety. And I’m a huge Eminem fan. I didn’t like it when Eminem started getting serious, though. I liked his first two albums.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I gave up on “reality” TV when I found out the “G’s” on from G’s to Gents were fakes.
Nearly crushed me.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
RaiderReign,
preseason hasn’t even started yet.
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Yeah I know. Monday was a total scrub game, but I noticed what I noticed
August 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
666,
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118056210
…..Remember, Kenny lives. He’s incognito with the bleached hair, like Pony Boy.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
and for everybody down on TP the guy wont even see the field barring injury for another two yaers so he has plenty of time to develop his game and he is in the perfect situation to do so. once again calm down nation.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
A show about a pawn shop in Mich?
What’s next?
A show about a crack dealer and his customers from Mich?
A show about stealing talent from the great state of Ohio?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I found a link for season 4.
That was good info Sullie maybe we can be BBFF
August 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
1150.Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I can’t believe it, but I’ve never even watched 8 mile in its entirety. And I’m a huge Eminem fan. I didn’t like it when Eminem started getting serious, though. I liked his first two albums.
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Did u at least watch the ending?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
Think he sent Romo a thank you card?
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Haha! There is a lot of arguing on the radio here about whose fault it is. Romo? Free? Garrett?
August 15th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
666, I’ll be getting cable back for certain when Eastbound comes back. Right now I’m all about the rabit ears, and just hawking whatever I can off the web.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
1155.Raider O Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
A show about a pawn shop in Mich?
What’s next?
A show about a crack dealer and his customers from Mich?
A show about stealing talent from the great state of Ohio?
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Watch out for the new reality show about insurance agents who sit in their office and collect premiums from people. It will be compelling to watch the subtle interactions between the agent and his customers.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Raider O Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
A show about a pawn shop in Mich?
What’s next?
A show about a crack dealer and his customers from Mich?
A show about stealing talent from the great state of Ohio?
LOL, O! One, those players made their choice, two, competing schools do that all the time! You know this bro!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Anyone????
3rd string QB in the league better than Pryor????
August 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
He didn’t panick.. His Wrs weren’t open often
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Could be true, I wasn’t at the game so like you said we couldn’t see what was going on with the WRs watching it on TV
August 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
1136.Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
666,
Eastbound is actually doing another season. How awesome is that?
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Oh gawd no. I’ll have to watch it since I watched the first three seasons….but I am not looking forward to it.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Eastbound coming back. Now that just have to do a Sopranos movie, and my life’s complete. Show’s creator never ruled it out. lol.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Quick question….
Which team out there has a better 3rd string QB than we do?
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I’d say at least Denver & KC since they put up 31 & 27 pts respectively
August 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Dallas’ 3rd stringer McGee looked just as Shatty as Pryor did.
I wouldn’t mind the Jets 3rd guy, McElroy from ‘Bama.
Soup might be #3 in Chicago, depending on who you ask.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
where are all the pro criner guys at been pretty quiet lately huh but he’S a starter right? lol
August 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Reality TV?!
You People are killing me…
August 15th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Plaxico, 1 year contract. Announcement expected by late afternoon today, in my dreams.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
…”Agents of Mercy” the new reality show that follows the exciting and intriguing aspects of a bored insurance agent and the customers who come in to his office.
Sparks fly on this weeks show when Mrs. Jones tries to change her decutible….
August 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Anyone????
3rd string QB in the league better than Pryor????
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have no idea
August 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
FKN Lincecum!!!
2-2 game, runner on 3rd, two outs, 0-2 count to the #7 hitter, and he throws a fastball right down the middle of the plate.
WTF is wrong with you!!!!!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
4 possibles …
with all the cries to cut Pryor I would think there would be a few dozen names off the top.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
A’s expected to sign Barry Bonds as DH, late this afternoon, in my acid trip.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Criner = Stud
Streater = Beast
One of them will start by the end of the season.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Quick question….
Which team out there has a better 3rd string QB than we do?
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Maybe every team in the NFL, since we were the only team not to score.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
LOL, Kell is still beating that drum, I put the over/under at 50 on how many times he post how many points Denver and KC put up, has to be getting close to the over by now, LMFAO!
August 15th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
1148.J Hill Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Quick question….
Which team out there has a better 3rd string QB than we do?
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Who cares about 3rd string QBs? Especially other team’s shyyyyyty 3rd stringers?
Also, I doubt most 3rd string QBs were 3rd round picks….
TP = a lot of wasted comments on a guy who will never make a meaningful impact on our team. Can’t even compete with “draft bust” Leinart as the 2nd string QB.
No hope for that kid.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Riff…. damn right you’ve given me all your reasons and stats and data that you base your opinion on…that is why I respect your opinion…disagree with it completely but respect it.
I have touched on why I believe what I do but the real reason I don’t care for either of em is the loyalty to the team/man who put them in the position to even be somewhat relevant is non existent.
Ho’s in other words.Took the money and the fame that comes with and then comment publicly in a negative fashion when they could have picked up the phone and given AL an earful in person and said nothing to the press.
I’m truly sorry you did not get to see the Snake etal
play……coz believe me I just does not get any better than that.
Gotta put this sumb!tch to bed for the sake of the my fellow bloggers…all the best man and 1NATION #1
August 15th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Chiefs 3rd string: Ricky Stanzi
Bronco’s: Brock Osweiler
I would rather have both over Pryor
August 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
looks like streater my be better than criner. at least he didnt drop wide open pass.lol
August 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I wouldn’t be suprised if Stanzi starts a few games for the Chiefs this season.
Cassel ain’t happening to me.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
with all the cries to cut Pryor I would think there would be a few dozen names off the top.
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I haven’t seen alot of cut Pryor talk, just alot of he looked awful, which he did. I do think he is better than he looked Monday but he has alot of work to do and I think he will put in the work, I hope it will pay off
August 15th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Colts 3rd stringer, Mr. Irrelevant.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Go ahead and mark Dakota down for a long winded no team has a better 3rd string QB.
OBVIOUSLY a lot of people care about the 3rd string guy because it’s generating a lot of commentary.
I’m just trying to figure out where this line of stud, or even decent QB prospects is that we will be able to replace Pryor from.
August 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
J,
When did you join the TP fan club?
Glad to have you bro.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
1185.morilla Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Colts 3rd stringer, Mr. Irrelevant.
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Chandler Harnish out of NIU. I’ve seen him play. He’s not that bad actually. Threw a nice TD in Colts pre-season opener.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
the only reason pryor generates so much attention is becuz he was projected to be a first rounder at one point.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
We need a new post. My typing is slowing down now.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I love the fact that Pryor is so hard on himself and expects so much more.
He really wants to make it in this league and make a mark.
He’s not just cashing a paycheck.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Dakota …starting to sound like a fishwife here but dude is basically a rube 22 year old kid that comes in at 6′4″ 235 lbs runs a 40 in pads at 4.4 and has a cannon
for an arm.He sits behind two heisman trophy winners from the PAC 10 and costs about as much to the team as toilet paper for training camp.We actually have the luxury of teaching this kid his trade with no pressure
on the poor bastard…..as it stands now.Things will change but this is how it used to be done.
Don Strock gets blindsided by a late hit in Pittsburg and Shula has to go to his rookie 1st round pick…Bob Griese…Griese gets the play calls it in huddle looks
up to read the D.Standing right in front of him….crazed look on his face….snot hanging 6″ from his nostrils….and smelling like an open sewer pipe…is Mr J.Lambert….whispering in only the way that Lambert could….Boy…Your A$$ is mine…..all
mine.
Griese promptly froze solid …forgot snap count and forced Shula to call a TO.
True story…Fish get smeared in the coal mines again.
August 15th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
“…McFadden still needs even more work in game settings between now and the regular-season opener Sept. 11″
Tuesday Night Football?
August 15th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
1 “atta boy” for you Slow!
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“Witten apparently got hurt after he caught a pass from a scrambling Tony Romo and was immediately hit from the side by Oakland linebacker Rolando McClain. The play resulted in a 2-yard loss.”
August 15th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Raiders are chokers and Jokers.
August 16th, 2012 at 9:37 am
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