Ford undergoes MRI, will ‘miss a little bit of time’
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, August 18th, 2012 at 8:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders have been thin at wide receiver for most of training camp, with Denarius Moore and Eddie McGee missing considerable time with hamstring injuries. Well, the news that Jacoby Ford is going to miss some time with a sprained foot doesn’t do much to help the situation.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said an MRI revealed a sprained left foot on the same foot that Ford injured last season. Ford suffered the injury at the end of a reception Friday night against the Arizona Cardinals.
“It looks like Jacoby’s going to miss a little bit of time, don’t know exactly to what extent yet,” Allen said. “We’re still seeing where he’s at, but we did an MRI on his foot and we’ll see where he’s at.”
On the bright side, Allen said he expects to get back Moore sooner rather than later. Moore did not play in either of Oakland’s first two exhibition games. McGee played Friday night after sitting out the opener.
Allen also said that general manager Reggie McKenzie is keeping tabs on the free agents available in case it reaches the point where the Raiders need to bring in another healthy body or two.
– Same goes for running back, where Mike Goodson is recovering from weakness in his shoulders as a result of a hit against the Cardinals and Jones still hasn’t made it back from his lingering hamstring injury.
– Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly called Cardinals quarterback Kevin Kolb “scared” and “skittish” after Friday night’s game.
Kelly was among a Raiders contingent that harassed Kolb throughout the game, with Kolb not even bothering to look for open receivers and chucking the ball before he got drilled on some plays.
Naturally, Kolb took exception to Kelly’s comments.
“Scared? Scared of what?” Kolb said on the team’s website. “Taking a hit? I have never been afraid of anyone on the field and that will never change. That includes number 93 (Kelly). There’s a fine line between holding in the pocket and trying to escape to make a play.
“Tommy Kelly is too clueless to know the difference. I don’t mind people criticizing my play. Don’t ever question my toughness.”
– With Moore and Ford out of action until further notice, all eyes are on Bryan McCann in terms of manning the punt and kick returns.
McCann handled those duties with the Dallas Cowboys earlier in his career, and he subbed for the Raiders at times last season.
It’s likely that Allen also will check into the likes of Juron Criner and DeAundre Muhammad to see whether either of them are better options on returns.
– Allen relied upon Darren McFadden on back-to-back runs near the Cardinals goal line Friday night. To no avail. Yet, Allen said he isn’t deterred from using McFadden in that capacity.
“He’s the guy we’re counting on to be our bell cow,” Allen said. “We want to hand him the ball and see if we can get a yard.”
Michael Bush handled that role more times than not in recent seasons. With Bush in Chicago, McFadden steps to the fore. If he doesn’t succeed, Allen will be forced to try someone from the likes of Jones, Goodson, Lonyae Miller, Marcel Reece or Owen Schmitt.
– Quote of the day: “We’re a work in progress, offensively, defensively and special teams.” — Allen
– Carson Palmer’s stat line from Friday night’s game seemed pretty decent. A closer look revealed several errant throws, a bad decision on a pass that was intercepted and an inability to get into a desirable rhythm.
Yeah, so what? Allen said. It’s the exhibition season, and Palmer’s play isn’t among the things he is concerned about at this point.
“Carson still is learning this offense,” Allen said. “I don’t have any reservations or any doubt at all about Carson Palmer. He’s had a good camp. I expect when opening day comes around that he’ll be a good player for us.”
– The Raiders won’t be in pads when practice starts Sunday, Allen said. However, they will work out in pads at some point between now and the exhibition game against the Detroit Lions on Aug. 25.
– Rookie Rod Streater totaled seven receptions for 43 yards against the Cardinals. That’s nice and all, but Allen was even more impressed by Streater’s hustle in chasing down a defensive back that intercepted Palmer.
“The play that he made on running the guy down was outstanding,” Allen said. “It’s exceptional. And that’s something that everybody on the team needs to understand that and needs to see that, because that’s the type of effort that we’re going to need to win. That’s what we’re looking for.”
Streater also dived into a pile in an attempt to recover one of Goodson’s two fumbles.
“This is a guy that, he continues to do what he needs to do, he continues to work and he continues to play hard,” Allen said. “I don’t think it’s any surprise that he’s reaping some of the benefits of it because of the way he’s going about doing his job.”
– Outside linebacker Aaron Curry rejoined the Raiders on Saturday, Allen said.
What’s more, Curry went through what Allen called a running program and “looked pretty good.”
Curry has missed all of training camp with a sore knee. Awhile back, he flew to Los Angeles so that he could receive treatment from a specialist.
No word yet on whether those treatments worked well enough for Curry to practice, play in an exhibition game or regain his starting spot at the weak-side position.
“We’ll look at him tomorrow and see where he’s at and kind of evaluate him as we go along,” Allen said.
Rookie Miles Burris is working at Curry’s spot in the interim.
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August 18th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Fk goody
August 18th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Get well soon! (And sign Plax)
August 18th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I love how anytime I type anything worth reading that the topic quickly changes….
Who gives a crap about what Kevin Whoever said about Tommy Kelly….seriously….
Lock Tommy & Kolb in a dark room and in 2 seconds we would smell chit running down the QB’s leg….what a joke!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hLY1TYUWp4
August 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Ford is done. Fck him. Taking up a roster spot at this point. Dude can’t stay healthy.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Quote of the day: “There are 3 kinds of people. Those that watch things happen, those that make things happen, and those who don’t know what’s happening”
-John Madden-
August 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Palmer did a good job considering that he was running for his life the entire game.
Keep Miller, he looked good.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Get well soon! (And sign Plax)
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Sign Plaxico? Really? The dudes a fkn numbskull bum. I’d rather get back little Nikki.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
836.RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
With all respect to Burris, a healthy Curry makes the D even better.
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LMFAO! About 9 days ago Curry leaves team to get knee checked on and it was addition by subtraction. Burris was the second coming of Jack Ham. Two preseason games later we get posts like this one above.
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Nobody ever compared Burris to Jack Ham. I like Burris (particularly his hustle), but he plays in fast-forward all the time and misses things. A season of observing Curry and Wheeler would help him a LOT.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
880.RaiderSam Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Mike Goodson @GoodNplenty33
Excellence isn’t a skill…. It’s an Attitude!!!! #RaiderNation
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Really? Your Raider debut fkn sucked sh1t.
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in the Arizona game, we had 3 trips in the redzone resulting in FG’s
In Chicago, Michael Bush had a 1 yd run for a score and an 8 yd run.
That was a tough loss in free agency. Especially for our red zone offense.
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See Bush in home game last year vs K.C. and countless others. Bush = kick rocks. Hot Big Ones at that.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Ford is done. Fck him. Taking up a roster spot at this point. Dude can’t stay healthy.
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Ford came up with some big catches his rookie year. And he made some highlight grabs in brief appearances. Dont give up on him.
If you watch the Houston game, they have the same long developing plays on waggles, and Palmer is going to have to throw back to the other side. – Houston has a fierce pass rush, but the difference is they have a 3-4 30 front – much more difficult for QBs to read, whereas we just blitz from different places out of the 4-3.
Without a premier rusher, we still get pressure, but the point is to force the turnovers. We really miss Bush. Pass pro has to get better.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
880.RaiderSam Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Mike Goodson @GoodNplenty33
Excellence isn’t a skill…. It’s an Attitude!!!! #RaiderNation
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Really? Your Raider debut fkn sucked sh1t.
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in the Arizona game, we had 3 trips in the redzone resulting in FG’s
In Chicago, Michael Bush had a 1 yd run for a score and an 8 yd run.
That was a tough loss in free agency. Especially for our red zone offense.
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See Bush in home game last year vs K.C. and countless others. Bush = kick rocks. Hot Big Ones at that.
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I saw Bush completely take over the game in San Diego, and rip off big runs vs. KC, too. You saying Goodson or Lonyae Miller can remotely compare? Thats a good one.
The point was the 1-2 combination. Nothing but scat backs on the roster. Miller did run with some power, but its yet to be seen if he can replace Bush’s power.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
RaidO Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Yup Reggie should have learned from the Giants last year about team continuity. Keeping Hue for at least one more year and upgrading the defense would have been the correct thing to do. Instead he brought his frickin ego. A Healthy Hue offense with what looks like an improved D would have been a playoff team. CP cannot run a WCO system and Knapp is still crap.
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You must have missed Cork’s chat where he talked about this very thing. Apparently, a few days after the season ended, Hue walked in Mark’s office and informed Mark that he, Hue Jackson, would be sitting on the GM interviews and would have final say over who was and was not hired. So when Mark offered Reggie the job, he made it contingent upon firing Hue. Reggie could do whatever he wanted afterwards, but Hue Jackson had to go. I assumed that having Reggie fire Hue was kind of a final F U, i.e. “You’re not even important enough for me to fire in person.”
August 18th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
See Bush in home game last year vs K.C. and countless others. Bush = kick rocks. Hot Big Ones at that.
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Are you actually comparing Bush to Goodson? Really? Your stoned.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
See Bush in home game last year vs K.C. and countless others. Bush = kick rocks. Hot Big Ones at that.
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Are you actually comparing Bush to Goodson? Really? Your stoned.
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Goodson’s a better runner. Bush has better hands.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
No RaiderSam,
I did not say Goodson or Miller compares to Bush. I just said that Bush sucked, to me. He is not the back many on here thinks he is. He’s big, slow and soft. Yeah he can catch but he is not a power back and goes down too easily. When Bush left I didn’t bat an eye.
I think Reggie Mac kinda agrees with me otherwise Bush would have been in last night on 3rd and short.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
OK let me clear this up because I guess I didn’t officially say it: Mike Goodson sucks too.
And Bush too for good measure.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Ford came up with some big catches his rookie year. And he made some highlight grabs in brief appearances. Dont give up on him.
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Naw, I’m done with Ford. I had some high expectations from him and he let me down. When he got up limping from that play last night I was like “fck, you gotta be kiddin me” Dude needs to man up.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
The Saints have to cut one of these RBs and Reggie should immediately grab the one that does:
Chris Ivory #29 or Travaris Cadet #39
Watch them the rest of preseason.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Goodson’s a better runner. Bush has better hands.
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Duck, if I was Bri3n I’d be calling you MR because I totally disagree with that statement.
Goodson flopped big time. twice.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Goodson’s a better runner. Bush has better hands.
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Duck, if I was Bri3n I’d be calling you MR because I totally disagree with that statement.
Goodson flopped big time. twice.
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Everything I’ve read said Goodson’s a good runner with decent speed and moves. Most importantly, he doesn’t try to be something he’s not, unlike some former Raider RBs I could mention.
But the man HAS to hang onto the ball. Otherwise he’s worthless.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Duck,
First of all I was kiddin.
I read all of your comments and mostly agree with them.
But…..Goodson did not represent very well in his 1st Raider game.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
wake up raider fans reggie brought slow and unathletic mediocracy to this team…zbs is lalas…
August 18th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
wake up raider fans reggie brought slow and unathletic mediocracy to this team…zbs is lalas
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I agree 100%
I just wish that I could be just like youl
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Al_is_theraiders is my hero.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
When I grow up I want to be just like Al_is_theraiders
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
i wish we had a gm and coach with huevos…week in week out talanted players are making plays but we got “effort” players…
August 18th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
26.Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
i wish we had a gm and coach with huevos…week in week out talanted players are making plays but we got “effort” players…
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That is brilliant.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
If Al_is_theraiders was Jabust’s life coach. Oh wow, the sky is the limit.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
368.Raiders for life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Just cracked my first beer.
If I get drunk and start talkin sh1t just ignore me.
Thanks in advance.
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Don’t say I didn’t warn you. I’m fck’d up
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
And I see Al_is_theraiders is back on the blog of the team he claims to hate yet can’t stop writing about…
August 18th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Palmer is getting abused by his WRs… guys are dropping the ball left and right.
Terrible
August 18th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
i dont hate the raiders, only team ive ever been a fan of, just cant stand what they are doing to this team and dumb fans from the east coast
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
lol..dmacs long run was on a trap pull power block…eff zbs
August 18th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
#22
Reggie did not have a 1st, 2nd, or a 3rd (that could’ve been manuvered), no salary cap space to spend on playmakers FAs.
It’s all the speed guys that are getting injured and/or playing poorly:
Ford
Goodson
DHB
DVD
Jones
Moore
August 18th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
When are the 1st cuts?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
#7;
I’m hoping St. Louis cuts Nick Miller myself, he returned one puntfor a TD in a regular season game.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
not worried about ford, dhb, or moore. weve seen what they can do…goodson was a waste they could have had b campbell still he had some good powerful blocks on the gosl line this week. Taiwan is pretty small but he has more upside than goodson. My problem is what reggie did with the picks he had…no upside to any of those except crawford…
August 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
HOLLA DUDES
just pinched another loaf. we rollin. #2. goin spot on center mark. horizontally true. as long as it doesnt push me over. if i have to roll wide right, i’ll lose the poise.
we’er goin for the record books. will report the data once the analysis research has been recorded and confirmed.
no lawg jams tonight.
SHAMMY WHAMMY IN MY JAMMY
August 18th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
YO
drum roll please. the suspense is terrible. hope i dont pinch it to soon. squat tall.
MO CHIZZY FO DA WHIZZY
August 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
28th of August are first cuts, after everyones’ 3rd exhibition game.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Will we ever see a well oiled offense machine that just mows down and shreds defenses and can score at will for the Raiders? We dont want to just settle for winning, we need to dominate. When teams play the Raiders, they need to roll over in fear and lick wounds after the game.
Reg and Allen must realize it doesnt stop with a victory. When the Raiders can dominate and return to dynasty form, then I’d say the MRA (mark, reggie and allen) has done their job. Well done.
Viva la Raiders!
August 18th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Sr Bull Gonads BBQ,
I like your handle, Sr., and your assessment of victory.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
How long before Sanchez becomes a Raider? Tebow clearly out performed him today.
Keys to Oakland success:
-let Carson call his own game
-a second running back with some ass
-DHB must be able to catch with his hands
-Seymour and Kelly need to be fierce team leaders on D
-We cant be so shallow that if we lose Dmac or Ford our season is lost
-D must dominate
-need a good return guy
-if lechler aint healthy soon, cut him and go with the younger King. But he has to be mentored on how to do more than just punt. So I guess lechler has to stay.
-throw the ZBS into the garbage can
-SeabaJano cant miss fgs or expts. Period.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Bergstrom great pick,
Burrow and Criner both have upside and a high ceiling,
Crawford & Biloduki low risk high reward, problem is DLine is our best and deepest position, could be tough for them to make an impact early in their careers.
Streater, Wheeler, Brisiel excellent FA pickups!
I’ve more confidence in power-blocking scheme myself, especially when you have dominantOTs, C as we do in Vehldeer, Wisniewski, and dare I say Barnes.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
criner has no upside…none. He cant run away from paul blart mall cop….oline picks are alwas ok, briesel washed up, wherler is interesting and streater well im glad he will beat out criner…
August 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Might be time to turn Schmitt into Marv Hubbard, Reece into H. Dixon
August 18th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
10 days to 80 players. 13 days to 53..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Michael Bush has more yds from scrimmage on the ground and in the air than DMAC, both playing for 4 seasons.
Michael Bush will always compliment the # 1 back. To compare him to Goodson or Miller is ridiculous.
Last season Bush’s yds per carry suffered greatly the last few games because the offense became one demensiona with Bush running 2 out of 3 plays. Hue utilized him wrongly.
If Bush was with us now we would world’s ahead of the pathetic defense we are now fielding.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Ford will “miss a little time” ?? Allen is joking isn’t he? Ford is a washed up mess. Palmer is a washed up mess too.
Maybe we should let Pryor run wild: he says he’s been working really, really hard, but on what ?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Criner catches over forty passes he was a steal in the fifth, we needed a big possession WR, speed not as important as hands catching the football and route running.
One of my concerns is that Reggie will try to sneak Crawford and Biloduki thru waivers to place them on the practice squad, but they’ll be claimed, same for Hamilton and Cumbie.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Pryor as DMAC’s backup would be an excellent move, but Pryor is thinking he’ll get Drew Brees money as qb.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I still think all Davis family influence over the team should be cast out by an exorcist. In his latter years AD couldn’t stand the thought of a staff member or player outshining him. That is why he released Gruden.
Now AD is asserting dead hand control from the grave to curse us…..and it seems to be working.
Everything that can go wrong, has gone wrong. I am just waiting for DMAC to go down for the season over a pulled hamstring.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
I think Pryor is a legend in his own mind and works “really, really hard” fantasizing about winning a Superbowl.
Kid isn’t too bright: reminds me of someone else I know with the initials of Purple Drank.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
45.Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
criner has no upside…none. He cant run away from paul blart mall cop….oline picks are alwas ok, briesel washed up, wherler is interesting and streater well im glad he will beat out criner…
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Briesel washed up? Where the hell do you get that from?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Interesting hearing the Cardinal announcers and their take.
For instance, they were blasting DMAC for not getting his feet in on that pass that should have been a TD.
Everyone here says it was Palmer.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Rod Streater= Raiders #1 WR of 2012/13 season.
Book it.
Only real bright spot of the preseason.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Now AD is asserting dead hand control from the grave to curse us…..and it seems to be working.
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I love this take. I don’t know what to make of it, but it’s a unique thought and I like unique.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Great move trading Murphy for nothing when we have receiving injuries every year.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Chuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Great move trading Murphy for nothing when we have receiving injuries every year.
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Yeah and that Goodson “fumble machine” pickup.
Reggie has no clue what he is doing.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
58,
Our starters week one are Streator and Criner.
They need to start throwing to Criner with that thought in mind.
I have a feeling DHB won’t be healthy and ready.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Notice not only does the ZBS prevent DMAC from punching it in but it fcks Palmer when he drops back to pass. Has to scramble every time. CP3 is a pocket guy, not a Fran Tarkenton. Fck that ZBS.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
I think Streater has more catches than DHB had in his first 2 years. LOL
August 18th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
did you watch the game briesel missed more blocks than kwame harris…
August 18th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
criner are effin kidding?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Bring in Chad Johnson for depth,streater should take Ford place.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Mr Green Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Notice not only does the ZBS prevent DMAC from punching it in but it fcks Palmer when he drops back to pass. Has to scramble every time. CP3 is a pocket guy, not a Fran Tarkenton. Fck that ZBS.
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Yup, DMAC already said in an interview a few years back when Hue tool over that he does not like the ZBS.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
raid o i agree reggie needs to be booted
August 18th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Palmer looked good in the first half. The ZBS fcked him.
Can’t stand the cardinal announcers.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
raid o i agree reggie needs to be booted
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Yeah i think Reggie came in with a “ego”. I going to change everything my way attitude when that was not the best way forward especially when the team was on the up and up minus the major injuries. Team continuity is important. Ask the New York Giants.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Some posters disgust me with their lack of football knowledge and knee jerk reactions. C’mon man its just the second pre season game and some of you act like the season has started and we are 0-6. You are not true fans just dumbasses with dumbass opinions and comments. No wonder people think Raider fans are just a bunch of drunk mexicans.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Some posters disgust me with their lack of football knowledge and knee jerk reactions. C’mon man its just the second pre season game and some of you act like the season has started and we are 0-6. You are not true fans just dumbasses with dumbass opinions and comments. No wonder people think Raider fans are just a bunch of drunk mexicans.
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Are you kidding me? Crap preseason play does not turn into a winning season and Knapp is still crap.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 am
The 85 Bears were 0-4 in their preseason.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:04 am
RaidO= Dumbass BOOK IT
August 19th, 2012 at 12:05 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 am
The 85 Bears were 0-4 in their preseason.
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Yeah but i’am pretty sure their first string O in those games did not look like complete crap.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:06 am
63.Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
did you watch the game briesel missed more blocks than kwame harris…
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I appreciate that you at least gave a reason for saying that.
What I saw of him he did ok, but I wasn’t watching him that closely.
I do know he comes with high regard from Houston. He’s got time to get more acclimated to the system.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:08 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:04 am
RaidO= Dumbass BOOK IT
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Eastoaklandraider, optimism is ok but reality is REAL.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:10 am
ZBS = Lienarrt still scrambling and RBs not really bustin thru any holes for big gains. Fck the ZBS.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:16 am
eastoak has things against mexicans? I guess you dont get out much…either way rsid o hit the nail on the head reggies my or the highway was not needed this tesm was a few injuries away from being deep in the playoffs…
August 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am
i dont understand why they would bring zbs back…cant even practice against it…
August 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am
RaidO reality is this PRESEASON just two games. Calm down. There is a time and place for everything and now is not the time to panic. I knw we have had a lot of bad seasons lately and that’s why folks are so quick to jump off the deep end but just give these new guys a chance and if we suck after the first quater of the season believe me I will be right there with you becuz I don’t believe they should have fired Hue in the first place. But I’m not gonna cut my wrist. Not yet.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:30 am
I dnt have a thing against Mexicans I’m a black man that would be pretty stupid.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:52 am
What Ford has done in his rookie season was great but now is what counts. Need to bring the Rooks up in time for season opener. If Ford is healthy enough, he should only play on special teams. Sign Ochocinko we can get him for a steal while the other receivers mend. Bergstrom should a shot at starting with the first unit this man can Play. Weakest part of the Defense from what I have seen are the corner’s. Mitchell can start next to Branch and maybe experiment with playing Huff at corner against Detroit.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:55 am
What Ford has done in his rookie season was great but now is what counts. Need to bring the Rooks up in time for season opener. If Ford is healthy enough, he should only play on special teams. Sign Ochocinko we can get him for a steal while the other receivers mend. Bergstrom should get a shot at starting with the first unit this man can Play. Weakest part of the Defense from what I have seen are the corner’s. Mitchell can start next to Branch and maybe experiment with playing Huff at corner against Detroit.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:20 am
Well, finally got to see the game in it’s entirety.
Surprised at all the doom and gloom expressed here.
Actually liked most of what I saw.
TIM Palmer didn’t have a great game, but it was no where near as bad as I expected to see after reading the posts here.
Raids lost this game on Goodson’s fumbles and the blocked punt. Don’t expect to see that happening in regular season.
Great game by Lamar Houston. He was beasting it up. Expecting big things from him this season.
The bad: Goodson not only coughs it up, but it doesn’t look like there’s any way he can stand up to a pounding. Turnover machine and an injury waiting to happen.
DVD. Just an atrocious game. Horrific tackling. Lit up like a Christmas tree in coverage again.
Special teams: Coverage spotty. Protection on kicks weak. Snaps on kicks too high. Nothing unfixable, but this is an area that must be cleaned up.
After reading this blog, I expected to see a team in total disarray. That’s far from the case. Although Raids came up on the short end of the scoreboard, I’d project that in a regular season meeting of these two squads with the starters going 60 mins, the Raids prevail. Not sure how much that means as Az is not exactly a powerhouse team, but overall I was pleased by what I saw and not discouraged at all.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Bush. Al picked him out of the scrap heap, rebuild this broken femur project, and gave him two years to rehab; before releasing him back into the NFL, into the perfect roll for the Raiders. He did his job better than anyone could hope; and he selflessly complimented DMac. So was it worth the $avings to be without him this season? Who made the decision to not pay him what WE paid to make him? It is like you restore a vintage vehicle, knowing that when it is complete you are going to have to buy it back AGAIN at the REAL VALUE (as Chicago did) or waste all that money for two years of a bargan basement running back. Go Figure?
August 19th, 2012 at 1:30 am
not resigning bush was reggies call…
August 19th, 2012 at 1:35 am
I liked Bush. There were some holes in his game, but overall he will be sorely missed.
Bush was not great near the goal line. His blocking on pass plays was suspect. His unwillingness to fill in at FB when asked to do so was disappointing.
But Bush did bring an element of size, power and speed that is noticeably absent now. He had excellent hands. Bush would punish people when he got to the second level and could wear a defense down.
Wish he was still on the squad.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:41 am
big loss…lonyae miller at fsu was known for speed but now he is bigger too, if he getss aggressive he can be a good backup…made some plays out there
August 19th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Great move trading Murphy for nothing when we have receiving injuries every year.
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I seem to recall everybody and their mother wanted Murphy gone, now all of a sudden he is sorely missed…lmfao
August 19th, 2012 at 1:44 am
RaidO Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Chuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Great move trading Murphy for nothing when we have receiving injuries every year.
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Yeah and that Goodson “fumble machine” pickup.
Reggie has no clue what he is doing.
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Who else was out there? Reggie went after Benson but Benson wanted to go to GB
Eff all you Reggie haters
August 19th, 2012 at 2:04 am
I am not ready to throw Reggie under the bus. I think this team is going to improve under the present administration. I thought HJ was an awesome OC but he didn’t demonstrate much prudence as a head coach. Shooting from the hip is usually hit or miss, and last season could be summed up as a hit and miss season (steeply leaning toward “miss”!) I think the team will be more consistent this year than last; and hopefully we will win enough games to make it to the playoffs. It is a tough schedule and we have issues but almost every time has to work around. Just imagine if Manning gets hit like Lienhart did today. Season and Carreer over and Denver is out of the running! S.D. ain’t all that and K.C. is a pile. So stop haten! Be patient and pray for a winning season!
August 19th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Didnt we look Hella bad last preseason and weren’t u guys were like oh we’ll b Lucky to more than 5 games but guess what we were only a couple of plays away from going 10-6 ,another example when we went 4-0 with shell , you guys were like oh we will win like 10 games it’s attitude change blah blah blah but tha didnt go the way the Pre-season seemed like , it’s a freaking scrimmage and their is a reason why teams don’t game plan for it , why there are 90 players are allowed why these games are not counted .. Because you can’t guess what the f88k teams would do once the rEal season starts , I don know I u guys who are complaining just like to troll or are just not fans of Raiders team and getting Raider nation mad and be against the team , I want u guys to treat it as a Pre-season and not come to conclusions based on Pre season games wether we lose by 100 or win by that much
August 19th, 2012 at 3:07 am
Yes let’s try to call the plays that will def score but let’s not experiment the other 1s to see what we have , Knapp should just have Palmer give the ball to MCfadden and let’s say eff u to the other guys because Knapp got to call only the plays that will wok with mcafdden because it he doesn’t get his team to score , fans will turn on him , who cares about calling plays for everybody and try to see what they can do , who cares about giving them fair chance right
August 19th, 2012 at 4:11 am
Raider Nation, I am very, very concerned about the back up RB position. I thought in his 2nd year, Taiwan Jones could get healthy and show us his speed and game. He’s been hurt all preseason again.
I also thought Goodson would be a good signing. He could run, catch and be a compliment to both McFadden and Jones. He’s clearly a fumbler and another injury waiting to happen.
The Raiders will need to keep a close tab on RBs. New Orleans have a few guys they might cut. I’ve always liked Ivory. Hard nose RB with wiggle and some speed. He would compliment McFadden. Ivory has more size than Goodson or Jones. Pierre Thomas is also a good bet to be cut.
Got to also keep an eye on the Patriots, they have some extra RBs they might need to cut. After McFadden, everything is a question mark. Goodson might not deserve to be the 3rd RB on the depth chart and no one below him is even worth mentioning.
Also want to mentioned that I saw a pretty good back up RB on Seattle. Keep an eye out to see if he might be available, Kregg Lumpkin
Moreno from Denver might be someone who will be available.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:38 am
What is going on with Brisiel?
I hate it when for sure, cant miss picks like he and Gaterarms cont excell especially so when it comes to protecting the QB.
I missed the first game but he did not look too good Fri night. Whats up with him?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:42 am
I have a question for when Tebow beats out the Hollywood Chihuahua for the starting gig.
Why would anyone want Sanchez in Oakland?
Get me the hot young gun that every other team has found lately and we missed out on when JR become a syrup addict
August 19th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Jerryworld is still the best place for Raider info.
All the semi pros are in camp and I believe they are ready for the season to start. Tip top shape except for two or three.
One of the semis needs some new material. Time to inject some new charectors with some new delivery.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:52 am
reggie made the right move in firing hue. hiring DA seems to be a good move. imo its been downhill from there. no significant pick ups in the draft or free agency. knapp will remain a question mark until he proves his offense can score . its too bad because if DA would have went with Al Saunders, our offense would have been in a much better place and we would be prime to win. reggies handling of the cornerback situation has been poor,with manning joining the division,to replace your starting cbs with a guy who hadnt played alot recently due to injury and another who is more of a 3rd down cb when there were many quality free agent cbs out there is a big mistake. we will pay for reggies mishandling of the cbs when manning has 4wr on the field and he just continually picks on our defenses weakest link—the secondary..
August 19th, 2012 at 6:00 am
79.Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am
i dont understand why they would bring zbs back…cant even practice against it…
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Reggie is makeing the Raiders into a cut blocking west coast system. Perfect for TP if TP was a good passer. He is not so Reggie will have to find the next Raider QB.
It might two or more years but that QB will be successful because of the strong system already here.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Good morning and good day semis and zombies.
No coffee, just norcs and tree.
Off to the dogpark for me
Magoo is delerious
August 19th, 2012 at 6:56 am
That is really to bad we’re goin to be ZBS because after watching the game, doubt its goin to work. Palmer is to big and strong. He is not a dink and dunk kind a guy. Poor guy was running for his life on every play. The Oline did look clueless at times. But our D is going to be lights out. Special teams right now need some special attention.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Not a great game from the Raiders. D played well, aside from the opening drive. I think our D could do really well this year.
Offense looks sloppy. Oline sometimes does a good job, but is inconsistent. McFadden is great. Palmer will be fine. Looks like we have basically no options at TE right now. Goodson can’t be trusted with the ball and even when he held onto it did not impress me with any discernable power, speed, vision or elusiveness. Taiwan Jones emerged as the clear No. 2 back Friday night without ever playing a down. DHB still has trouble catching passes that aren’t square in his chest. Maybe it’s just growing pains with the new system. All I know is Knapp needs to get this together FAST. And Reggie needs to get us a legit TE and possibly another backup RB. Jeremy Shockey should be on his way to the Raiders right now.-
August 19th, 2012 at 7:41 am
The Reggie favors the ZBS because he just spent time watching the Packers do it, win a Super Bowl and have one of the best offenses in NFL history.
Saints = ZBS
Packers = ZBS
Two of the best offenses, ever.
http://nflsfuture.com/2012/03/28/team-by-team-offensivedefensive-schemes/
August 19th, 2012 at 7:43 am
That big, strong, physical, intimidating nasty Ravens team?
ZBS blocking style
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Rewatched the game on the replay last night.
That was a drop by DHB in the end zone. If you watch it, Wilson got his hand on it, after it already squirted past DHB arms.
He would have dropped it if nobody was covering him.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:49 am
From the Baltimore Ravens website:
“Rice’s lateral agility, which carries a combination of quickness and discreet power, makes him perfect for the one-cut running style that Baltimore’s zone-blocking system demands.”
Someone should tell Ray Lewis his offense is for puzzies.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 5:42 am
I have a question for when Tebow beats out the Hollywood Chihuahua for the starting gig.
Why would anyone want Sanchez in Oakland?
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We got Palmer and Leinart…why not Sanchez?
Little bit ironic…don’t you think?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:53 am
James Campen, Packers O-line coach, one of the strictest ZBS O-line coaches in football.
I’m sure the Packers fans are getting sick of that puzzy ball scoring 40+ a game.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:01 am
2010 Raiders top 5 in scoring.
Offseason Hue promises to go back to more of the power-blocking scheme he favors, and “build a bully”.
2011, 16th in scoring.
I welcome the ZBS back, and I will put it down right now, that we score more points than we did last year.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:02 am
LOL @ Chico
Good morning.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Top of the morning!!!!
Just trying to shed some perspective.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Well Vegas, whats your perspective on our RB/QB situation this morning?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Now you want to take shots at Knapp, well that is fair game.
But the ZBS is being employed by the best offenses in the NFL right now.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:10 am
We lost because of special teams and Goodson’s fumbles.
Miller should be the backup running back.
DHB and Streater should start.
We aren’t very deep, so if we get a lot of injuries, we are screwed. But that is true of most teams.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I’m not impressed with Knapp and his offense.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:11 am
QB: Palmer needs to knock this ish off, obviously. Ever worse about his two INT’s, they came on 1st and 10. Leinart seems adequate, but suprise, he got hurt, again. Pryor, can’t wait for him to turn into the next great hybrid TE/WR for us.
RB: It’s the Jordan and Jordanaires all over again. Darren is a beast, everyone else is a ninny.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:13 am
I told B that yesterday. I don’t have a problem with the ZBS (not my preference), but I do have a problem with Knapp.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:17 am
I wasn’t a fan of Knapp’s waggle on the first play of the game, and I don’t like the leave the edge guy unblocked thinking he will bite on the playfake thing. That’s just stupid.
But DHB should have caught the ball in the end zone, and the Palmer-McFadden sideline throw WAS A GREAT PLAYCALL and design, that the players flubbed up.
I want to see better from Knapp, but people thinking this is the B & B breakfast is laughable.
We will have 38+ point games this year, probably a handful of them.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Palmer threw 2 INTs in 3 quarters. It seems to me he continued his TREND from last season and his time in Cinci. The guy threw a lot of picks the last 2 seasons. 36 INTs!!! He didn’t even play a full season last year.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Just Fire, I agree on the unblocked first play.
The first play you want to set your yourself and just get adjusted to the game.
I sure hope they keep Miller instead of Goodson.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:23 am
You can’t score 38 points when you throw a lot of INTs, and you can’t manage to score from the GL.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Raiders should use Miller in short yardage, not DMAC.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Goodson: he has a fumbling problem, and he fumbled twice on 8 carries.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:29 am
I was really hoping (even jumping on the bandwagon) TP could turn out to be a good QB…after watching him the last 2 games I highly doubt that will ever happen.
I’m with you on this Vegas, turn him into a WR/TE…maybe we could trade him?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I think Pryor could be our best TE THIS SEASON, by the bye week.
Might as well get that ball rolling in my eyes.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Good morning Nation! The ZBS quietly helped the team rack up 537 total yards in AZ, and that’s without key players in the game.
I shall return, need some Sunday menudo.lol
August 19th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Guys like Riff and McFadden20 need to grow up and learn how to debate/ argue like adults. Calling people trolls because they don’t agree with your argument is childish. People have valid reasons to be concerned about our offense, Knapp, and Palmer. If you don’t like reading other people views/ opinions, then GTFO. Blog police?! How old are you people?
Disgusting!!
August 19th, 2012 at 8:36 am
The problem with Palmer, and this certainly isn’t any new revelation, is not valuing the pigskin.
You can make 15 great throws, but one bad one negates all of that.
1st and 10 INT’s thrown into double coverage?? Ridiculous!!!
Wing it OOB and live to fight another play.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I like to wait one more year on TP. He is under contract for 2 more years (after this season), so I’m willing to give him another year to improve. If he doesn’t improve by the end of next year, move him to WR. The guy had no camp or preseason last year, and he didn’t have a QB coach. Even Palmer who is a vet said it was a difficult situation because they didn’t have a QB coach, and Hue was too busy.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:44 am
36 INTs in 26 games, and 2 INTs in 3 Quarters?
We can’t afford to throw this many INTs especially when we have issues with scoring TDs.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:45 am
LOL at Menudo!
August 19th, 2012 at 8:49 am
You can accumulate as many yards as you want, but unless you capitalize and score, it means nothing.
You win by scoring more than your opponent and not by having more yards. Who cares about yards if you ate throw an INT at the end of a 70 yards drive, or you can’t score from the GL?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Rewatched the game on the replay last night.
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Who was to blame for the blocked kick and punt?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:52 am
r8eray said
We got Palmer and Leinart…why not Sanchez?
Little bit ironic…don’t you think?
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When it is put like that, I am buying. I totally missed that part
August 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Ford sprains his foot getting tackled????
Not running with the ball…..but getting tackled.
smh
August 19th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:52 am
r8eray said
We got Palmer and Leinart…why not Sanchez?
Little bit ironic…don’t you think?
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When it is put like that, I am buying. I totally missed that part
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Next years draft we’ll be drafting Matt Barkley too…lol!
August 19th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I also agree with those who have ttheir doubts about this offense being wellsuited for Palmer. Not ready to say it won’t work, but I’m not confident it’s a great fit for his strengths.-
August 19th, 2012 at 9:01 am
God for bid Ford if he has to make a cut out in the open field he could snap his FK’n fibula.
Jacoby, you are 1 little kunt hair from being cut do you recognize?
August 19th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Raiders’ Seymour drew laughs for saying defense could be Top 5. Plenty of time left, but Raiders No. 5 (212.0) thru 2 preseason games
Interesting stat. I know it’s just 2 games but still.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I am thinking it is more Palmer than anything else really.
Granted the roll-outs and stuff is not ideal, but shortening his passes and cutting off parts of the field should help his INT total be reduced.
I mean, we drop him back 7 steps and have him wing it down the field might result in 25 INT’s in a season!!!
August 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Just Fire Baby.
The Reggie favors the ZBS because he just spent time watching the Packers do it, win a Super Bowl and have one of the best offenses in NFL history.
Saints = ZBS
Packers = ZBS
Two of the best offenses, ever.
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I’m sure having Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in their prime has much more to do with their success.
Besides, GB and NO use the pass to set up the run, we don’t.
Both teams have finished at the bottom of rushing attempts over the past 2 seasons.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Bob,
Your helping my point, which is that the ZBS by itself, does not limit anything offensively.
It’s the players and execution.
However, the trend is more teams moving torwards it than away from it.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:09 am
R Seymour is a underachieving pay check stealing washed up hack.
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Raiders For Life Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Raiders’ Seymour drew laughs for saying defense could be Top 5. Plenty of time left, but Raiders No. 5 (212.0) thru 2 preseason games
Interesting stat. I know it’s just 2 games but still.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:09 am
And the Packers and Campen used the ZBS with Favre, way past his prime, and had a successful ground game and almost went to the Super Bowl, until his awful OT INT against the Giants.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I think it is way too early to say how the offense will turn out hopefully it will get on track but why does messing with continuity only means something when al Davis fires someone. If we had made al Saunders oc they would not be learning from scratch and we would have had an offense that fit the skill of the players.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Let’s trade Jamarcus Russell for Sanchez. Then we can have a trio of USC qbs and implement Pete Carrolls winning system to go to the super bowl. Make Pryor the number 2 running back. Specially cuz he can be a threat to run or pass. We do not need T.O. We need to trade for the CB from Arizona.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:17 am
139.Raiders for life Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Raiders’ Seymour drew laughs for saying defense could be Top 5. Plenty of time left, but Raiders No. 5 (212.0) thru 2 preseason games
Interesting stat. I know it’s just 2 games but still.
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Yeah. If guys are gonna conclude we are doomed offensively cuz of 1st couple preseason games then go ahead and say how we’re gonna be a really good team defensively.
I don’t think we can draw conclusions either way.
The oline is so vital to this offense and thus far they seem to not be “winning” the battle. This is my visual take on it.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Who ever said we will score more points this year than last I bet we won’t if we lose smack and Palmer after 7 games. I don’t have a problem with hue being gone but wasn’t his problem, he took an offense that was at the bottom for years before Russell and made them top 10 2 years in a row.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Did anyone notice Palmer was scrambling for his life on almost every snap? When he can drop back into the pocket he surveys the field real well and when he has pocket time he can throw a good pass. ZBS is not traditional Raider football. Either is dunkin doughnuts.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am
This Carl Ihenacho guy caught my eye in the first game and was obviously impressive last night with the sack/fumble. Anybody know his story? Ever since the talk of releasing Wimbley came up I said we were going to have a problem without any kind of speed, edge rush specialist. Maybe Ihenacho can be the guy and come on in 3rd and long situations and other obvious passing downs.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Seattle with Knapp as OC:
25th in scoring and averaged 17.5 points.
There is a reason the guy was demoted to QB coach.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Our offense was working. A few ‘tweaks’ might have gotten us from #9 to top 5 in the previous system.
The defense however needed to be fixed…a complete overhaul in almost everything…THAT makes sense.
I’m just not a big fan of “fixing” something that doesn’t really need to be fixed.
You take a nice prodcutive offense and start from scratch? You shouldn’t change something that works just for the fact of changing it.
I heard someone suggest this is all about Reggies ego and wanting HIS stamp on everything regardless if it worked in the past or not. I don’t buy that entirely, but in my mind you keeep going with something that works until such a time it stops working.
The D? We gotta like what we’re seeing so far..except for a few “issues”. One being DVD.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am
We were 16th in scoring last year, 24th in red zone efficiency. If it weren’t for Seabass bailing out the offense last year with all the 50+ yard FG’s, we would have been close to 20th in scoring.
That needed to be “fixed”.
Whether we are going about fixing it the right way is the discussion.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:38 am
We were 9th in yards, 16th in scoring, 24th in red zone efficiency last season.
Sounds like the same issues we have seen so far this preseason.
Can move the ball, not putting as much points as need be, due to red zone issues.
Same shat different shovel.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Good morning Raider Nation, afternoon to those on the east coast.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am
JFB
153 Right on point bro, let’s just hope the new regime is more red-zone friendly and aggressive all game.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am
We were 16th in scoring last year, 24th in red zone efficiency. If it weren’t for Seabass bailing out the offense last year with all the 50+ yard FG’s, we would have been close to 20th in scoring.
That needed to be “fixed”.
Whether we are going about fixing it the right way is the discussion.
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Exactly! Excellent post.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am
I’ll chalk up the red zone failures the other night to the vanilla play calling, it better be drastically better come game one.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:54 am
chalk it up to weak olineplay…zbs is fine for other teams, this is the raiders eff the zbs especially when you got dmc
August 19th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Well hopefully Wiz is back next game, they need him in there.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
The Raiders have been mostly a ZBS team the last 15 years.
Mike White = WCO, hybrid ZBS
Gruden = ZBS, dink and dunk, WCO
Callahan = an extension of the Gruden, ZBS, WCO, dink and dunk
Kiffin = ZBS, dink and dunk, WCO
Cable = ZBS
August 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
My Locks;
OLine:
Vehldeer, Carlisle, Wisniewski, Brisiel, Barnes, Bergstrom, Parsons (7);
TE: Meyers, Gordon (2);
WR: Moore, Streater, DHB (3);
RB: McFadden, Reece, Schmitt, Jones (4);
QB: Palmer, Leinart (2);
STs: Janokowski, Lechler (2);
DL: Seymour, Kelly, Houston, Shaughnessy, Bryant, Tollefson (6),
(Note at least 2 of 4, if not all four make 53 man roster of the following backups: Biloduki, Hamilton, Cumbie, Crawford) (2);
LB: Wheeler, McClain, Ihenacho, Goethel, Burris, Curry (if healthy) (6);
CB: Bartell, Spencer, Chekwa (3);
S: Branch, Huff, Mitchell, Giordano (4);
That’s 41 positions accounted for twelve up for grabs.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am
WTH is wrong with Wiz anyway?
That goal line attempt 3 times was digusting! So much for fighting for every yard in this league. They’re lucky they fought back to the line of scrimmage.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:04 am
I do have a problem with the Raiders getting rid of Hue!!! Hue brought Palmer into a non- zone scheme and felt palmer would fit into his type of scheme. The new scheme that the Raiders are instituting now requires a new discipline from Palmer and Dmac. Dmac has to readdress and conform to a new offense when he should be able to take off from when he was a leading rusher up to week six last year. Palmer out of the pocket does not fit well with me bootlegs, rollouts and other QB motions plays may take away from his strenghts.
I wish coach Allen well but he does have live up to the offensive production Hue Jackson had in place before he was undeservingly fired.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Charger’s Vincent Brown out with broken ankle, man that looked ugly in slow-motion.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Reggie has already brought professionalism, stability, and accountability to the Raider organization.
He handles player personnel decisions. He’s allowing Dennis Allen to coach, who is allowing his coordinators and assistants to do their job.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Our offense was working. A few ‘tweaks’ might have gotten us from #9 to top 5 in the previous system.
The defense however needed to be fixed…a complete overhaul in almost everything…THAT makes sense.
I’m just not a big fan of “fixing” something that doesn’t really need to be fixed.
You take a nice prodcutive offense and start from scratch? You shouldn’t change something that works just for the fact of changing it.
I heard someone suggest this is all about Reggies ego and wanting HIS stamp on everything regardless if it worked in the past or not. I don’t buy that entirely, but in my mind you keeep going with something that works until such a time it stops working.
The D? We gotta like what we’re seeing so far..except for a few “issues”. One being DVD.
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DJ Johnny,
That’s right! If it aint broke, don’t fix it. I am going to frame your post and hang it on my wall.
Last season the offense worked well even after it began wearing down toward the end due to fatigue and injury, but we still scored many points.
I can’t imagine allowing G.Knapp to come in with his “lil” schemes and offensive philosophies, especially those “lil” schemes and philopshies that failed in the past.
They say genius is recognition of something right in front of one’s face, at a most basic level. “If it aint broke, don’t fix it”.
I guess Reggie, Mark, and Allen missed something a 4 yr old would recognize.
Now, we are playing catch-up and are all messed up.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Mister Davis believed he was as good a GM as most all in the league and he was probaly right.
I always felt there was ahndful of quality GMs in the league and it is not as easy as saying fire Al, hire a good GM and coach and the Raiders return to the glory years.
Thats fairy tale dreaming. Theres always 16 losers and wanting aint getting. Reg and DA were as good as choices as we could hope for and they will need at least three years.
The real big deal is getting a top 5 QB. At least top ten QB who plays big in big games. Thats what gets you to the SB and if you can get that guy when he is 23 you are set for ten years.
Look at Brady, Brees, Peyton, Their franchises sucked before they got there. Everyone talks like those teams are models to emulate. Cowboys have not sniffed the SB in over 20 years, Detroit blew untill Strafford showed up. Green Bay spent 20 years losing untill Farve and Rodgers. Miami has not found a QB to replace Marino and theyhave spent two decades in the celler.
Too bad JR is a syrup addict
August 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Raiders’ special teams need to focus on blocking punts; which is our strength anyway.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Kurt Warner as a Journeyman ..Dilfer….So you can’t convince me Palmer.can’t do it.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:17 am
No disrespect to anyone but I don’t care what Reggie brings the Raiders if he can’t bring the Raiders at least 8 wins this year. I can care less about what other may call instability if the Raiders are winning.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
It’s funny how one persons opinion becomes everybody’s thoughts in this blog.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
So Reggie is working on a 5 year system that will need a great QB. Most teams land a top QB, then mold the team around him.
Reggie will do the opposite. CP will run the team very well this year and we should be competitive in all games.
I want to see DA stop the blowouts, be prepared for games back east and game plan second halfs.
If he does those three things we should be very happy
August 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
All you ZB loyalist need to know one thing.
The system works, partially, not all the time
ONLY offensive gurus like Shanahan & Kubiak can run it
Knapp is a step below in coaching ability and credentials
Just the facts
August 19th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Sup suckas? Everybody’s mangina’s feeling a little better today?
Never heard so many whining little girls in my life than on Friday night.
Holy crap, the end of the world and everybody sucks!
August 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
From Monte Poole article;
DeMarcus Van Dyke. The second-year cornerback looks more and more like former Raider Phillip Buchanon — only without the occasional big play. DVD was dreadful again, and now here comes Calvin Johnson.
I highly doubt DVD will be covering Calvin (unless he’s playing in the slot), that’s McClains man. Jk!
On a serious note, i’m sure Bartell will be covering Calvin most of the time.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Perfect fit for TP. Its my opinion that if he cannot make it in Knapps system he cannot be a pro QB.
I hope he makes it.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Watched Houston play yesterday, and saw them move the ball under the ZBS
but Houston has Kubiak, we have the Knapster
they have good TE, we don’t
Just the facts
August 19th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
We were 16th in scoring last year, 24th in red zone efficiency. If it weren’t for Seabass bailing out the offense last year with all the 50+ yard FG’s, we would have been close to 20th in scoring.
That needed to be “fixed”.
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Yeah, while switching QB’s mid-season and picking up a guy from the street who has said he didn’t know half the playbook, let alone his WR’s and OL.
How do you think Knapp’s offense will fare without D-Mac for 9 games and the WR’s in and out of the lineup due to several injuries.
Besides, take out the KC game disater where Boller and an unprepared Palmer lead to our Offense scoring 0 points and the scoring average goes up to 24 ppg, not bad at all considering the circumstances.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Just Fire Baby.
Gruden’s OL Coach was Bill Callahan who uses Man-Power blocking up to this day, so did the Raiders back then, WCO does not equal ZBS, some guys use it, some guys don’t.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Did’nt all of Houstons QB’s step up and do well in their system? Matt may have broke down after 8 plays but he was effective in that system.
Tate looked great relieving Foster, although I think it takes a special type of RB to run in the cut block scheme just like it takes special linemen.
Kubiak spent years learning the cbs under scatrat.
I call it the cut blocking scheme because I hated it all those years they screwed up our linemen before us and the rest of the league learned to protect themselves from the ratweasel and his shifty scheme
August 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am
In fact, if you take out the KC game, giving a rookie Coach a mulligan, last year’s offense would have cracked the Top 10 in scoring with 23.9 ppg.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Bob whats up?
Any idea what is slowing down Briseils game?
Whos fault were the blocked kick/punt?
Those are real big in MO and have to fixed immediatly.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
#7;
I’m hoping St. Louis cuts Nick Miller myself, he returned one puntfor a TD in a regular season game.
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St Louis released Miller in March. Currently a free agent.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
More number from last year:
Duringn the 6 games where the pojected QB and RB (JC and D-MAC) started together, we averaged 26.6 ppg, then we lost both and in the remaining 10 games we scored 19.9 ppg.
Then again, take out the KC game, the first one without Campbell and with McFadden on his way out (a2carries for 4 yards) and the Offense scored 22.1 ppg in the remaining 9 games, still better than 15 other teams that did not lose both their starting QB and RB and had their WR’s miss a ton of games.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Hue should have never been moved to hc. He’s an oc and a good one.. another norv type project..
August 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SruABSnQxXU
Here is a video of Ihenacho, looks like he was mostly used as a pass rushing DE. He didn’t start playing football until his senior year in Highschool. Interesting player, when did we pick him up exactly? was it last offseason or was it when Hue was playin GM?
August 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I’m not buying into all this “sky is falling” stuff for a few reasons.
1) It is preseason. It means nothing. It is more about getting the players acclimated to playing games in mainly base offensive plays, seeing what works with certain personnel, what doesn’t, etc. Palmer’s INT’s are a bit concerning, as is the fact that we all know what Knapp has been in the past, but I am willing to give them both the benefit of the doubt for now.
2) When Mackenzie came in with a nightmare of a cap situation, I’m pretty sure we were all about giving him a few years to run his program, get his players, his coaches, and then see where we are going after that. It would be nice to see a playoff berth with the talented team that we have now…but I’m more interested in seeing consistency, and not having high blood pressure every time a flag is thrown, or the ball is in the air.
I think this team can win. These two preseason games are the first time we’ve played with this offense against other defenses: there are going to be kinks. It seems as though we will have an offense with a system-less fake punts and end arounds. Once it becomes more comfortable, it might click and be dangerous.
Whether we win 16 games or 2 games, I am still going to take solace with the fact that come draft day, there will be a rhyme to the reason.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Hey Plunk, how are you?.
I think Brisiel just had a tough game, the AZ DL features 3 high draft picks who can play, LE Darnell Dockett is a beast and he lined up on Brisiel’s side, NT Dan Williams is coming along and if healthy can be very good and RE Calais Campbell is on the verge of Pro Bowl status, they just gave him a huge deal.
It was just a tough matchup and the Cardinals 3-4 Defense that DC Ray Horton brought from Pitt seemed specially effective vs the ZBS and the moving pocket offense we are using.
Special Teams, I don’t know who to fault, I guess we should have kept John Fassel.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Harbaugh is a hot head bobble head. Eventually his ears will blow steam.
And, the reason we will stay with the ZBS BS is that ReggieReggie is gonna go with a QB who is a dink and dunkin doughnut and get a good return for Palmer. He knows Palmer has a bit of Plunkett in him but just don’t fit the ZBS BS.
Was it Mystic who said Palmer was yellin at Knapp? I hope so. HueJax is 10x the OC Knapp is. What are we thinkin.
And Harbaugh is still a hot head. Do todays players react to that anymore?
August 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
The Raiders have been mostly a ZBS team the last 15 years.
Mike White = WCO, hybrid ZBS
Gruden = ZBS, dink and dunk, WCO
Callahan = an extension of the Gruden, ZBS, WCO, dink and dunk
Kiffin = ZBS, dink and dunk, WCO
Cable = ZBS
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Mike White? That was power blocking
Gruden=power blocking
Callahan= power blocking
August 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Alright, Chargers had him in camp last year, then waived him in september and then Hue picked him up in DEC
August 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
The Raiders have been mostly a ZBS team the last 15 years.
Mike White = WCO, hybrid ZBS
Gruden = ZBS, dink and dunk, WCO
Callahan = an extension of the Gruden, ZBS, WCO, dink and dunk
Kiffin = ZBS, dink and dunk, WCO
Cable = ZBS
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Mike White? That was power blocking
Gruden=power blocking
Callahan= power blocking
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Palmer is a pocket passer that needs power blocking. WTF are we tryin to make Palmer a WCO for anyway?
August 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am
So Ford will be back in October and we will hear excuses about him trying to get back in rhythm or whatever lol
Well seems that DHB,Moore,Streater and Criner will need to get down to biz
But if Moore hammy still hurting then DHB,Streater and Criner will be the main guys week 1 vs SD
August 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Officer Pyle I dont know why…..I said it 5 months ago when we hired Knapp that this isnt suited for Carson
Knapp has always sucked as a playcaller
August 19th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Mcthompso Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I’m not buying into all this “sky is falling” stuff for a few reasons.
1) It is preseason. It means nothing. It is more about getting the players acclimated to playing games in mainly base offensive plays, seeing what works with certain personnel, what doesn’t, etc. Palmer’s INT’s are a bit concerning, as is the fact that we all know what Knapp has been in the past, but I am willing to give them both the benefit of the doubt for now.
2) When Mackenzie came in with a nightmare of a cap situation, I’m pretty sure we were all about giving him a few years to run his program, get his players, his coaches, and then see where we are going after that. It would be nice to see a playoff berth with the talented team that we have now…but I’m more interested in seeing consistency, and not having high blood pressure every time a flag is thrown, or the ball is in the air.
I think this team can win. These two preseason games are the first time we’ve played with this offense against other defenses: there are going to be kinks. It seems as though we will have an offense with a system-less fake punts and end arounds. Once it becomes more comfortable, it might click and be dangerous.
Whether we win 16 games or 2 games, I am still going to take solace with the fact that come draft day, there will be a rhyme to the reason.
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Sky aint falling becuz afc west winner will win 8 or 9 games max…problem is even if we win division we got problems vs playoff defenses for sure cuz palmer isnt a wco qb and the zbs is pssy schit
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 am
JT Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Watched Houston play yesterday, and saw them move the ball under the ZBS
but Houston has Kubiak, we have the Knapster
they have good TE, we don’t
Just the facts
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Houston has the players needed to run that system is why….we dont
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 am
66/1 odds of Raiders winning SB, got to try that.lol
August 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
“Palmer is a pocket passer that needs power blocking. WTF are we tryin to make Palmer a WCO for anyway?”
Yeah and its painfully obvious now that Palmer was more comfortable in Hue’s offense.
“Knapp has always sucked as a playcaller”
Couldn’t be a more truer statement said in here today and you couple that with Palmer’s occasional bonehead play and you get what we saw Friday night.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Bob Marley Says:
I think Brisiel just had a tough game, the AZ DL features 3 high draft picks who can play, LE Darnell Dockett is a beast and he lined up on Brisiel’s side, NT Dan Williams is coming along and if healthy can be very good and RE Calais Campbell is on the verge of Pro Bowl status, they just gave him a huge deal.+++++++++++++++++++
AZ has a very strong defense that came on stong at the end of the season. I dont think many people realize that and that was their third game so they are more dialed in
August 19th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Just Fire Baby.
The Reggie favors the ZBS because he just spent time watching the Packers do it, win a Super Bowl and have one of the best offenses in NFL history.
Saints = ZBS
Packers = ZBS
Two of the best offenses, ever.
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Saints run a flex…not the zbs schit you love so much
August 19th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Bob Marley Says:
I think Brisiel just had a tough game, the AZ DL features 3 high draft picks who can play, LE Darnell Dockett is a beast and he lined up on Brisiel’s side, NT Dan Williams is coming along and if healthy can be very good and RE Calais Campbell is on the verge of Pro Bowl status, they just gave him a huge deal.+++++++++++++++++++
AZ has a very strong defense that came on stong at the end of the season. I dont think many people realize that and that was their third game so they are more dialed in
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Just watch the NFC West this year….ppl gonna be shocked when 49ers dont runaway with it this year…Skelton will be starting eventually for that team…..he is better than Kolb…their d is nice for sure….STL will be much better by season’s end with Fisher running the show……..Seattle will just be ok but still win some games
August 19th, 2012 at 11:35 am
My observations of our first 2 pre season games.
1. This offense does not suit the players or does it play to the talent of the roster meanwhile Palmer and DA are saying nothing to see here just kinks being worked out etc. DMAC only getting 34 yards on 9 carries Palmer looking confused and WIZ missing made for a sloppy showing.
2. The D can play and DA focus is clearly on that side of the ball which makes having Knapp as an OC even scarier! (AL Saunders please save us)
3. What the hell happened to our Special Teams?
4. Its a lot of fun seeing flags fly and they are on the other team instead of us, whatever DA has done to change that gives me hope that he can fix this anemic offense.
5. TP sucks ass real bad seriously how long have you been QB and you throw like Teblow at peoples feet then throw up a Isiah Thomas rainbow air ball that had to be the ugliest NFL pass ever thrown save garo yepremian super bowl blunder.
6. I sat here all off season and claimed that Palmer would be a top 5 QB this season and I am clearly eating shlt on this topic right here.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
“Palmer is a pocket passer that needs power blocking. WTF are we tryin to make Palmer a WCO for anyway?”
Yeah and its painfully obvious now that Palmer was more comfortable in Hue’s offense.
“Knapp has always sucked as a playcaller”
Couldn’t be a more truer statement said in here today and you couple that with Palmer’s occasional bonehead play and you get what we saw Friday night.
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They arguing in August…just wait til October….Knapp gotta stop being stubborn and change offense to suit carson…or be relieved by Saunders
August 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am
The Seahawks D improved last year as well. If it gets better this year they will be a very tough D .
Hopefully both West Divisions will rise to the top again.
the world is a much better place when mules,dagos,fat red aholes, seaturds,lambs,gayminers and RAIDERS are the best teams in NFL.
We get more writeup, more play and maybe a little more respect
August 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
66
have no fears, CP did not die or catch aids. He will be what he was in the dago game all year long!!
August 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am
“B”
Its almost like you own a Ferrari and you put a governor on it so it wont go past 65 MPH.
This offense has speed and can spread a defense so McFadden can have 175 yard games why dink and dunk with all that speed.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:35 am
My observations of our first 2 pre season games.
1. This offense does not suit the players or does it play to the talent of the roster meanwhile Palmer and DA are saying nothing to see here just kinks being worked out etc. DMAC only getting 34 yards on 9 carries Palmer looking confused and WIZ missing made for a sloppy showing.
2. The D can play and DA focus is clearly on that side of the ball which makes having Knapp as an OC even scarier! (AL Saunders please save us)
3. What the hell happened to our Special Teams?
4. Its a lot of fun seeing flags fly and they are on the other team instead of us, whatever DA has done to change that gives me hope that he can fix this anemic offense.
5. TP sucks ass real bad seriously how long have you been QB and you throw like Teblow at peoples feet then throw up a Isiah Thomas rainbow air ball that had to be the ugliest NFL pass ever thrown save garo yepremian super bowl blunder.
6. I sat here all off season and claimed that Palmer would be a top 5 QB this season and I am clearly eating shlt on this topic right here.
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1…..agreed! Palmer not happy and he shouldnt be. DMAC has reece lead blocking for him lol and with Wiz out that magnifies much more!
2. The D looks better but I wanna see them in a 4 quarter affair be stout…yes Al Saunders needs to save us
3. When John Fassel left after 2010 it seemed the special teams got worse
4. Sorry but we gonna see flags on us this year…the refs just cant help themselves…once these replacements dummies leave and the real guys come back it will be just like old times
5. Garo Yepremian lololol hilarious…but TP just doesnt look like a QB right now…needs alot of work.
6. Dont beat yasel up so much…Palmer is not in a winning situation with Knapp
August 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Method.
To follow up on the GB and NO stuff.
Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in their prime has much more to do with their success than their blocking schemes.
And both GB and NO use the pass to set up the run, we don’t.
Both teams have finished close to the bottom of rushing attempts over the past 2 seasons.
And both teams throw down the field a ton, so far I have seen one pass travel over 20 yards, the Palmer to Ford pick.
Plus, over at GB Rodgers gets a ton of pressure, if he wasn’t such an athletic QB he would have been sacked a number of times, Carson Plmer is not gonna escape the pressure like A-Rod does.
Sorry JFB but I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
“66
have no fears, CP did not die or catch aids. He will be what he was in the dago game all year long!!”
Thanks man I will keep the faith I bought the damn jersey’s going to the games to see my team win when it counts but I am upset at how far the offense regressed after scoring so easily last year.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am
The Seahawks D improved last year as well. If it gets better this year they will be a very tough D .
Hopefully both West Divisions will rise to the top again.
the world is a much better place when mules,dagos,fat red aholes, seaturds,lambs,gayminers and RAIDERS are the best teams in NFL.
We get more writeup, more play and maybe a little more respect
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Bruce Irvin is my pick for DROY
August 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Method.
To follow up on the GB and NO stuff.
Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in their prime has much more to do with their success than their blocking schemes.
And both GB and NO use the pass to set up the run, we don’t.
Both teams have finished close to the bottom of rushing attempts over the past 2 seasons.
And both teams throw down the field a ton, so far I have seen one pass travel over 20 yards, the Palmer to Ford pick.
Plus, over at GB Rodgers gets a ton of pressure, if he wasn’t such an athletic QB he would have been sacked a number of times, Carson Plmer is not gonna escape the pressure like A-Rod does.
Sorry JFB but I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all.
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I agree…we have a run oriented WCO right?So the ZBS thing here is much more of a factor than it is in GB…..NO runs a flex
August 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Yeah I was a little hard on TP he is very athletic and fast as hell I hope he does catch on at some point seems like a hard working kid.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
For the offense, next week is key. If they don’t look good then they are going to have to lean on the defense until they can clean things up. I wonder how Knapp run’s his practices. I heard that with Gibb’s version of ZBS that everyone knows the RB’s reads. Peer pressure was a big deal. (If the RB makes a incorrect read the O-Line knows and will tell them about it in the huddle)! I am curious if were getting the Gibb’s version of ZBS or Dennison’s version (less cut blocking, different style of practice). It’s be cool if Jerry or Steve can discuss how the Raiders practice ZBS.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7429732/chris-brown-gary-kubiak-houston-texans-running-game
August 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
66
have no fears, CP did not die or catch aids. He will be what he was in the dago game all year long!!
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Throwing up the field? With Knapp? No way we gonna have a horizontal offense
August 19th, 2012 at 11:49 am
John Fassel didn’t leave in 2010, he left after last season.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am
“B”
Its almost like you own a Ferrari and you put a governor on it so it wont go past 65 MPH.
This offense has speed and can spread a defense so McFadden can have 175 yard games why dink and dunk with all that speed.
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Sad that Reggie and DA approve of this garbage
August 19th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Well, we are seeing what will worry about Knapp and play calling this season. Let’s hope he not showing all of his cards though.
Some things that really bothered me about his play calling in Fridays game.
Why is he running zone blocking in goal line situations??
In short yardage and especially in goal line runs, it should man to man power formations and blocking with double TE sets and an extra linemen. Like what Hue was running the last two years.
Or maybe Knapp should be running a play action on 1st down instead of 3rd down??
It was absolutely inexcusable to not score a TD from the 1 yard line on that series!
Knapp is on watch from here on out Nation…I’m sorry to say.
The passing game looks out of whack and there is no rythem either.
This is what I was worrying about when Hue was fired, was the offense regressing from the last two years or consistently being able to score TD’s and execute efficiently.
McK and Allen should have just kept Hue’s play book and have Saunders call the plays. Maintaining continuity on offense was a key and now they have to start all over again with a mediocre below average play caller like Knapp calling plays.
Oooff! Ugh!
August 19th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Fassel leaving is looking like a big mistake so far, hopefully things improve in a hurry.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:51 am
My apologies Marley…you are correct…in 2010 we had good ST but last year we just stunk up the joint
August 19th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Knapp’s offense and scoring rankings:
SF
01: 3rd
02: 13th
03: 9th
ATL
04: 16th
05: 14th
06: 25th
Raiders
07: 23rd
08*: 29th
Seattle:
09: 25th
*: fat monkey took over play calling after a few games.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
DKnight007 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Well, we are seeing what will worry about Knapp and play calling this season. Let’s hope he not showing all of his cards though.
Some things that really bothered me about his play calling in Fridays game.
Why is he running zone blocking in goal line situations??
In short yardage and especially in goal line runs, it should man to man power formations and blocking with double TE sets and an extra linemen. Like what Hue was running the last two years.
Or maybe Knapp should be running a play action on 1st down instead of 3rd down??
It was absolutely inexcusable to not score a TD from the 1 yard line on that series!
Knapp is on watch from here on out Nation…I’m sorry to say.
The passing game looks out of whack and there is no rythem either.
This is what I was worrying about when Hue was fired, was the offense regressing from the last two years or consistently being able to score TD’s and execute efficiently.
McK and Allen should have just kept Hue’s play book and have Saunders call the plays. Maintaining continuity on offense was a key and now they have to start all over again with a mediocre below average play caller like Knapp calling plays.
Oooff! Ugh!
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Exactly man! but to the goaline situation and fk it just all running plays…if you not one back set then Schmitt needs to block for DMAC….no one wants to see Reece lead block…its an embarrassment to football
August 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Just saw Josh Johnson throw a beautiful pass against 49ers right now on NFLN and that is what I was hoping to see from TP.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
B
I am going on blind faith. I know very little of X and O’s. I have to defer to coaches and have faith in them as well.
No ground to stand on when it comes to if the system will work or if it will not.
However little I know of XO. I know enough to sniff out the game Reg is gonna play.
The system and it success will prove itself in two, three years if it will work. I think Reg is looking past CP and this year. He will get us a QB to play in this system.
More blind faith
August 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Not an impressive resume. SF had Rice and TO.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow:
In your opinion, what is the reason for our current backslide in the 1st two preseason games?
Last night I watched the Lions v. Ravens (first half) and it was a good, competitive showing for both teams.
I also watched the second half of the 4th quarter when all the 2nd and 3rd stringers were in, and it was great: big offensive and defensive plays.
The was no chaos, no darkness, or regression that I have seen with the Raiders. The QBs looked polished and not coming apart at the seams like CP.
I just ask why…..
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There are two ways to look at it thus far…
One is that Coach Allen & Company is forcing the team to adapt to the way they want things done….which results in mistakes….
Understand that mistakes are POSITIVE at this point in the year….making them can be a huge deal….
WHY? When a mistake is made the entire team has an opportunity to get better through the correction of the mistake.
Coach Allen made a great point tonight regarding our special teams and that they are trying many different guys at spots to see what guys can or cannot do….this is positive.
So far, the defense has looked great up front (with an exception of Seymour’s performance) the LB looks promising considering Curry is out….The DB’s haven’t and won’t be challenged until San Diego….
As far as the Offense goes….seems like the Raider brass is hell bent on the ZBS….which is the wrong move….
Bruce Lee has a quote I love that applies to this situation:
“Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind”
Right now our staff is out to prove they can do it their way, and have forgotten that their way was never theirs to begin with….it’s just a way of doing something….another way….one way of many….
The fact that they are defending this speaks to a crack in their armor…..right now, this is our biggest concern…
The other way to look at it is that we are looking at a complete collapse of this team….
We are on shaky ground…..I only hope the first example I shared can be corrected and we can move forward….but for this to happen….someone is going to have to admit they were wrong….
That person, this time, isn’t me.
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Yep.
As always a new regime and coaching staff will force their new philosophy and try to force square pegs into round holes. Not the way to do things in todays NFL.
Coaches need to be able to adapt and so do their players.
The best run play ran on friday was the counter that DMC ran for a big gain. The reason?
The predictible ZBS running left and right was causing the AZ DLine and LB’s to over pursue and attack the ZBS runs. Thanks goodness Knapp and Pollack or Saunders saw that a counter run with DMC would be a big gainer.
That showed me a little something that Knapp can make an adjustment and not be too stubborn about it.
That needs to happen more often.
Just like the last two years when Hue was calling plays….he went with more power, counter and trap blocking and added some ZBS when necessary.
Knapp and Pollack can run their ZBS, but they better not get to happy and over use it. They need to mix it up quite a bit with power, counters and trap running plays.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
9 years as an OC, 2 years he had a top 10 team in scoring (Rice & TO), 4 years his offense ranked in the 20’s in scoring, and 3 years were avg.
I’m not impressed!
August 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
against the Texans
August 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Raider O Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Knapp’s offense and scoring rankings:
SF
01: 3rd
02: 13th
03: 9th
ATL
04: 16th
05: 14th
06: 25th
Raiders
07: 23rd
08*: 29th
Seattle:
09: 25th
*: fat monkey took over play calling after a few games.
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And only raiders re hired him lmao
August 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Knapp reminds me of my good friend in high school.
Every Saturday night we would go to the drive-in movie with a couple of girls. After the movie began the necking started and soon we’d be rolling around with him usually in the backseat, since I normally drove. My friend always wore white levis on our movie dates.
At halftime, he and I would go to the snack bar, and inevitably there would be a wet spot, groin level, on his white levis.
The problem with my friend is that he just couldn’t get it done in the proper sequence, and would end up with a mess on the front of his pants.
Knapp is the same way: instead of instituting a scheme set up for the players, he is trying to force a one-fits-all-approach, dinking and dunking, looking at his clipboard, “analyzing the facts.”
I saw Knapp scurrying to and fro like a squirrel looking for a nut on the sidelines the other night.
In the best of all worlds CP is a pure passer from the pocket with little mobility or evasiveness. At this point in his career CP can’t be taught mobility or evasiveness. A scheme designed for rollouts and scrambles is ridiculous. The best way is to shore up the O line with future HOF’ers so that CP doesn’t have to scramble much.
Raiders had a basis last season to field an excellent long bomb, finesse and power running offense. Now Reggie and Allen let Knapp digress the offense.
It’s hard to know why. I guess we’ll just have to live with the wet spot on the front of our silver and black.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
He was demoted to QB coach for a reason. The last 4 years oh his career as an OC his teams were ranked in the 20’s in scoring.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Last years ST were never able to advantage of Shanes and Janos boomers.
It pissed me off to no end to watch (jets game sticks out) their punts go 40 yards with no runbacks and Raiders in bad field position no matter what
Shane would kick 60 yarders they would gain 20 yards and always seem to be starting near midfield.
Even when he pinned them back it seemed as if it never helped
August 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
And only raiders re hired him lmao
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Why are you laughing?
CMAO
lol
August 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
GB and NO run a ZBS?
Our problem is the playcaller, Knapster
Cable had to replace him, give me a break, hes proven to be average at most
August 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Didnt we look Hella bad last preseason and weren’t u guys were like oh we’ll b Lucky to more than 5 games but guess what we were only a couple of plays away from going 10-6 ,another example when we went 4-0 with shell , you guys were like oh we will win like 10 games it’s attitude change blah blah blah but tha didnt go the way the Pre-season seemed like , it’s a freaking scrimmage and their is a reason why teams don’t game plan for it , why there are 90 players are allowed why these games are not counted .. Because you can’t guess what the f88k teams would do once the rEal season starts , I don know I u guys who are complaining just like to troll or are just not fans of Raiders team and getting Raider nation mad and be against the team , I want u guys to treat it as a Pre-season and not come to conclusions based on Pre season games wether we lose by 100 or win by that much
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Sumbody with some got damn sense. You alright me Mcfadden20
August 19th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
That first San Diego game last year when Palmer ran the no huddle was the best I have seen him play since he has arrived here and its because he was so comfortable. Bush put up huge numbers in that game and that is the kind of offense that we should be seeing.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Aaron Curry rejoined the Raiders on Saturday, Allen said
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great news, we’ll need him for the season opener
would like to see him play in the 4th preseason game a bit to shake off some rust
August 19th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Raiders arguably the best OLine last season one of the best in pass protection and rushing offense (penalties they’re downfall).
Losing Fassell & Wisniewski could hurt.
Marley is correct, btw, Raiders under Gruden were power blocking; aka, Lincoln, Wisniewski
August 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Don’t mind ZB’s so much but Knapp’s play calling sucks, no wonder cable guy stripped him of his duties. It just to predictable, QB bootlegs with LB waiting to crush the QB is just stupid. Please cut Goodson he can’t hold onto the ball. There has to be a better RBI than him.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Heyward-Bey hurt a shoulder at some point in the game
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@ King Darrius
get well soon!!
August 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Where’s JFB? no fun debating him when he’s not here to argue back.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
A counter run isn’t an “adjustment” to some terrible ZBS, it’s part of the package. Just like those bootlegs will be wide-open (just like they were in Houston) because the D will fear DMac, counters will also be open.
Remember, there aren’t too many coordinating “gurus”. Mike Martz looked great, went to Chicago, took a downturn in talent that he had, so his offense regressed.
This is true for most OCs. They’ll be as good or bad as the talent around them.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Knapp = Tom Walsh
August 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Congrats to Carl Ihenacho & Chimdi Chekwa on Defense
Congrats to Matt Leinart & Rod Streater on Offense
August 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Attn: Goodson & Ford
stay gone !!
August 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Ray_D
why even post such a dumb comment? There does not “have” to be a better backup/3rd string RB than Goodson. He’s coming off a serious shoulder injury, hasn’t had much contact the last 2 weeks, and coughed up the ball.
That’s why he’s a backup.
Yet he’s also broken off 600 yards in half a season at Carolina, and has just as much talent as most backups/3rd stringers.
He’s also very affordable and not going anywhere.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Didnt we look Hella bad last preseason and weren’t u guys were like oh we’ll b Lucky to more than 5 games but guess what we were only a couple of plays away from going 10-6 ,another example when we went 4-0 with shell , you guys were like oh we will win like 10 games it’s attitude change blah blah blah but tha didnt go the way the Pre-season seemed like , it’s a freaking scrimmage and their is a reason why teams don’t game plan for it , why there are 90 players are allowed why these games are not counted .. Because you can’t guess what the f88k teams would do once the rEal season starts , I don know I u guys who are complaining just like to troll or are just not fans of Raiders team and getting Raider nation mad and be against the team , I want u guys to treat it as a Pre-season and not come to conclusions based on Pre season games wether we lose by 100 or win by that much
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Sumbody with some got damn sense. You alright me Mcfadden20
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No they did not look “Hella bad” last preseason. Maybe the defense.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
and now more knuckleheads want to cut a top-5 NFL kick returner.
You see why Raider fans have a “stupid” reputation?
August 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Ray_D
why even post such a dumb comment? There does not “have” to be a better backup/3rd string RB than Goodson. He’s coming off a serious shoulder injury, hasn’t had much contact the last 2 weeks, and coughed up the ball.
That’s why he’s a backup.
Yet he’s also broken off 600 yards in half a season at Carolina, and has just as much talent as most backups/3rd stringers.
He’s also very affordable and not going anywhere.
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Goodson is a “fumble machine” and should be cut.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
if Ryan Grant & Plaxico Burress are the best RB & WR on the market, I hope Reggie just decides to go cheap and hire some camp bodies. promote from within
Lonyae Miller & Eddie McGee. you ready??
August 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
That first San Diego game last year when Palmer ran the no huddle was the best I have seen him play since he has arrived here and its because he was so comfortable. Bush put up huge numbers in that game and that is the kind of offense that we should be seeing.
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Exactly!
August 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
an injury proned smurf that cant catch and has a lousy attitude, Alex.
plus he fumbles at the worst times!
August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
JT Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Knapp = Tom Walsh
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Knapp= run, run, play action pass, punt
August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
is DVD on the bubble or on scholarship??
I cant tell..
August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Everyone is complaining about the offense.Funny thing is the team scored 27 against Ariz.Last year when your boy Hue was coach you’d come here after games and make statements about how if we score 27 points we should win.Bresnahan was your whipping boy.Now,we do score 27 and it is the OCs fault because Knapp is your new whipping boy.How about letting things play themselves out before everyone starts yelling fire in a crowded theater.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Just like the last two years when Hue was calling plays….he went with more power, counter and trap blocking and added some ZBS when necessary
Knapp and Pollack can run their ZBS, but they better not get to happy and over use it. They need to mix it up quite a bit with power, counters and trap running plays.
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I’m sold!!!
August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
By the way, I don’t think “the sky is falling down” and I don’t think we’ll be lucky to win x amount of games.
Some of the stuff I have seen on Offense I don’t like, now Knapp maybe an average play-caller, but he’s not dumb, he still has time to make adjustments to this Offense and produce, I’m moderately confident he will.
An adjustment period was to be expected, improvement should be too.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Bottom line is we never should have fired Hue and now you can start to see why. Although Hue made a few questionable calls he had our O going in the right direction in an offense that fit the team (remember all the injuries he had to deal with also). All we needed to do was hire a new Dcoord and we would of been fine but in classic raider fashion we took one step forward and then two steps back with the hiring of knapp. If Reggie was so smart he at least would have let Al saunders run the O. So for all f you who wanted to fire Hue and slurp Reggie Mac hope your happy.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I like Lonyae Miller the guy holds on to the ball he runs hard and always seems to get positive yardage. Sure he is not a speed demon like McFadden but I could see him replacing Bush.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
“Everyone is complaining about the offense.Funny thing is the team scored 27 against Ariz.”
Correction this DEFENSE scored 9 by itself the offense was putrid.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Bob Marley Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
By the way, I don’t think “the sky is falling down” and I don’t think we’ll be lucky to win x amount of games.
Some of the stuff I have seen on Offense I don’t like, now Knapp maybe an average play-caller, but he’s not dumb, he still has time to make adjustments to this Offense and produce, I’m moderately confident he will.
An adjustment period was to be expected, improvement should be too.
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Yeah, Knapp can make a adjustemnt= Let Saunders run his offense and call the plays.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
well let’s see, he won’t be cut, ergo…
you guys are pretty dumb.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Lefty.
The 1st team Offense has scored 6 points in close to 2 and a half quarters.
AZ was playing their 2nd unit on Defense by the middle of the 2nd quarter on Friday vs our starters (minus # 20) and we didn’t look very well, not that bad either, but we were playing vs backups.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Cut Ford! Cut Mike Goodson! Cut Palmer because he throws ints!
two months ago…
Cut Rolando!
you guys add nothing to this place.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Thanks Oldschool for the Nick Miller update.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Possible wasted season. DA will probably let Knapp suck a^s for 7 or 8 games before letting Saunders take over.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
The team scored 27 points which is usually enough to win games-that is what everyone said last year.Hue had to use trick,gimmicky plays to average about 24 points a game.He was also outscored 2-1 in the second half of games because he DIDN’T KNOW how to make halftime adjustments.Hue is gone.He won’t be coming back.And that is a damn good thing.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
zbs the last losing 15 years?
August 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
these games are PRACTICES used to evaluate guys. Effort to piece together incredible drives full of mis-directions, schemes, and scoring strikes are MINIMAL.
Just run through a handful of mostly random plays,
and evaluate guys.
That’s it.
If you guys were Packer fans, you’d be concerned about their lack of offense thus far.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
lefty,
it doesn’t matter what half a team scores points. You just have a total number. Being outscored in the 3rd quarter, or fourth quarter, is no different than being outscored in the 1st and 2nd.
At the end of the day, you total all your points, regardless of WHEN you got them.
Offense sucked 2nd half of many games because the D made zero stops.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Raidzero-you just come here to stir up crap.And usually you don’t know what the hell you are talking about.At least someone like Bob Marley and 666 know football.I don’t agree with everything they say,but I can respect their opinions.You-no way in hell.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Eastoakland, Reggie allowed Dennis to form his own coaching staff, Knapp was Allen’s call.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
The team scored 27 points which is usually enough to win games-that is what everyone said last year.Hue had to use trick,gimmicky plays to average about 24 points a game.He was also outscored 2-1 in the second half of games because he DIDN’T KNOW how to make halftime adjustments.Hue is gone.He won’t be coming back.And that is a damn good thing.
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Hell no. Before JC and DMAC went down raiders had one of the top O’s in the NFL. The D just sucked.
Imagine a healthy Hue O with what looks like an improved D= Top tier playoff team.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Some posters disgust me with their lack of football knowledge and knee jerk reactions. C’mon man its just the second pre season game and some of you act like the season has started and we are 0-6. You are not true fans just dumbasses with dumbass opinions and comments. No wonder people think Raider fans are just a bunch of drunk mexicans. And I dnt have anything against mexicans just makn a point.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
East-and you make a very good one.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
aidO Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
The team scored 27 points which is usually enough to win games-that is what everyone said last year.Hue had to use trick,gimmicky plays to average about 24 points a game.He was also outscored 2-1 in the second half of games because he DIDN’T KNOW how to make halftime adjustments.Hue is gone.He won’t be coming back.And that is a damn good thing.
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Hell no. Before JC and DMAC went down raiders had one of the top O’s in the NFL. The D just sucked.
Imagine a healthy Hue O with what looks like an improved D= Top tier playoff team
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RaidO makn sum sense. Lefty your better than that.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Last years Offense with this years defensive adjustments would have been a 12-4 record and AFC Championship game.
Instead we completely dismantled the offense and are trying some system that isn’t even a natural fit for the players we have.
And I understand that it is only the preseason. I also understand that so far we have been playing a vanilla scheme on offense.
But the way Knapp and Allen are running the offense will NOT translate into a Championship team with the players we currently have. We had the talent last year with a few tweaks to compete for a championship, all we had to do was shore up the defense and penalties.
Now we have a skittish offense in near disarray.
Makes absolutely no sense…
August 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Yeah, and “if” i had a 12 inch member i would be a pornstar.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Remember a couple seasons ago when the Raiders were 4 – 0 in preseason? Look at how that year turned out. I think that was one of the 4 – 12 seasons. Pre-season doesn’t mean squat.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do you realize if Hue could have made any decent half time adjustments last year we could have won at least 3 more games even with the horrible defense.A couple of more 1st downs in the 2nd half against Buff,Detroit,Denver,etc. and we win those games because we run more time off the clock and they aren’t able to get the ball back for their last min/sec drives.Does that fact totally fly over your heads?
August 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Hue was in his first year as a headcoach on any level and he did dam good for what he had to work with most of the season. I expect a rookie head coach to make some mistakes just like any other rookie so don’t be surprised when DA drops the ball a few times this season. But imo Hue would have learned from last season and man I bet this O would look down right scary (in a good way) under Hue but now we will never know.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:36 am
The problem with Palmer, and this certainly isn’t any new revelation, is not valuing the pigskin.
You can make 15 great throws, but one bad one negates all of that.
1st and 10 INT’s thrown into double coverage?? Ridiculous!!!
Wing it OOB and live to fight another play.
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You mean like Jason Campbell???
August 19th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Palmer, Pryor,
McFadden, Reece, Jones,
Moore, DHB, Ford, McGee
Meyers, Gordon, Ausberry,
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Carlisle, Parsons
Janokowski, Lechler, Condo,
Seymour, Kelly, Houston, Shaughnessy, Bryant, Cumbie,
McClain, Goethel, Curry,
Chekwa,
Branch, Huff, Mitchell, & Giordano
These are the players that played for the Raiders last season (practice squad included) that I expect to play this year.
That’s 33 players, meaning we’ll have 20 new players on the roster this year.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
bring back cable just to demote knapp again…
August 19th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
McFadden is going to have a better season than Marian Foster had in 2011.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
*arian
August 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Watched the game finally. I’ve got no problems with Knapp at all. There were guys open all night. Hell, Palmer hit a lot of them. A better throw here, a catch made instead of dropped there and things could have looked a lot better. CP’s interceptions will be a big problem no matter who is calling the plays though. How the hell can you drop back and make that throw to Gordon?? It’s beyond nuts! When you see decisions like that, how can anyone say that gets fixed during the season?? Makes you wonder what that dude has going on upstairs. The good news is that the defense looks like it’s for real and should be able to clean up some of those mind-blowing picks. We better hope so.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do you realize if Hue could have made any decent half time adjustments last year we could have won at least 3 more games even with the horrible defense.A couple of more 1st downs in the 2nd half against Buff,Detroit,Denver,etc. and we win those games because we run more time off the clock and they aren’t able to get the ball back for their last min/sec drives.Does that fact totally fly over your heads
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Lefty you don’t think hue may have learned from his mistakes last year remember he was a ROOKIE head coach still learning. On top of that he had chuck B as his Dcoord that plus the injuries he did a good job.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I give up.I’ll enjoy the season and root for my favorite team-the Oakland Raiders.You guys can spend it b!tching and moaning about everything the team does that YOU don’t agree with.For many of you that is a never ending process.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
and why didnt da challenge the dmc catch ruled out of bounds?
August 19th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Palmer chucking interception is a concern. I like that he has confidence in his arm.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Hue couldn’t/wouldn’t work for Reggie.He wanted all the say.He had to go.A GM and his HC have to be on the same page.The only page Hue was on was his own.He was an OK offensive coordinator.IMO,he was a lousy head coach.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Lefty12, agreed. This team will only go as McFadden takes them.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I give up.I’ll enjoy the season and root for my favorite team-the Oakland Raiders.You guys can spend it b!tching and moaning about everything the team does that YOU don’t agree with.For many of you that is a never ending process
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Thought you would be able to handle some reality lefty. Guess not.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Reality is you’re only speculating.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I give up.I’ll enjoy the season and root for my favorite team-the Oakland Raiders.You guys can spend it b!tching and moaning about everything the team does that YOU don’t agree with.For many of you that is a never ending process.
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Optimism is a form of hope. Nothing wrong with that but sometimes you have to be REAL or “reality”
August 19th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
East,I don’t have any problems with you.You talk football.We may not always agree but you usually have reasons for your informed opinions.For that I respect you.I don’t like the fact some just throw out total BS,make statements and have nothing to back up those statements.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Zero or should i say Alias-you wouldn’t know reality if it bit you on the nose.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Reality being that if this team competes for the division it will be a successful season.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
My reality is that I watch one game every week. The only one that matters.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Hue couldn’t/wouldn’t work for Reggie.He wanted all the say.He had to go.A GM and his HC have to be on the same page.The only page Hue was on was his own.He was an OK offensive coordinator.IMO,he was a lousy head coach.
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Way to much was made about Hue and the “interviews”. Hue said he wanted more control over the team. Yeah, he was talking about the damn defense and rightfully so. We all know Al picked his own guys and had a big hand in controlling the defense(no blitzing, etc, etc)
August 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Hue couldn’t/wouldn’t work for Reggie.He wanted all the say.He had to go.A GM and his HC have to be on the same page.The only page Hue was on was his own.He was an OK offensive coordinator.IMO,he was a lousy head coach.
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Still didn’t answer the question lefty do you think Hue would have learned from his mistakes as rookies tend to do? And as far as reggie he came in here with the idea of runnin this team his way when that isn’t what the TEAM needed. All we needed was a new Dcoord.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Let the season unfold, then piss and moan.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
289.lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I give up.I’ll enjoy the season and root for my favorite team-the Oakland Raiders.You guys can spend it b!tching and moaning about everything the team does that YOU don’t agree with.For many of you that is a never ending process.
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Lefty, we can root for the coach and GM as well as the team.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Whut up my Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeyotches!!!!! Raidernationdave in the hizzie!
August 19th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
East,my answer would be no,I don’t believe so.It is common practice for any team that hires a new GM for that GM to hire his coach.That is the way things are done.Whether that is the right or wrong way doesn’t matter.It is a fact of life-REALITY if you will.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Hue would have to admit to making mistakes before he could learn from them.
His head is too big, too full of Himself, Hue the polished, pedigreed pimp.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I think many of us are upset Hue was fired, myself included.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
efty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
East,I don’t have any problems with you.You talk football.We may not always agree but you usually have reasons for your informed opinions.For that I respect you.I don’t like the fact some just throw out total BS,make statements and have nothing to back up those statements.
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You kwow its all love lefty we all want the same thing we just diff opinions on how to get there. I enjoy the ongoing debate. And I try to reframe from juvenile name calling although I’m not perfect.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Any man that has a manicure or pedicure should question his sexuality.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
289.lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I give up.I’ll enjoy the season and root for my favorite team-the Oakland Raiders.You guys can spend it b!tching and moaning about everything the team does that YOU don’t agree with.For many of you that is a never ending process.
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the main reason i dont fugg with this site as much anymore. the so called toughest group of fans whine every year about the same shat.lets just cut the whole team since nothin is good enough.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
On the contrary, McFadden is going to set it off.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I remember being in the airport when it was announced that Hue was being fired and my very first reaction was excitement. Which was weird because it was contradictory to what I originally wanted, which was consistency at HC. But I think my gut reaction was excitement because I had learned enough about Reggie and had put full faith in his decision making.
So I guess I believed that Reggie McKenzie knew there was a better route for the organization. We may have to start clean but I’ll always substitute short-term satisfaction for long term prosperity.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
East,my answer would be no,I don’t believe so.It is common practice for any team that hires a new GM for that GM to hire his coach.That is the way things are done.Whether that is the right or wrong way doesn’t matter.It is a fact of life-REALITY if you will.
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I understand the GM wants his guy yada yada yada but his job is to improve the team not make it take a step backwards as he MAY have done in firing Hue and hiring knapp. I will reserve my judgement for later in the season. But remember East was a Hue supporter.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
i dont see why we just cant go power blocking in the redzone.. Knapp blows
August 19th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Raider fans thought we were getting Daryle Lamonica, when we traded for Palmer, so far we’ve gotten Jay Schroeder.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
315.408RAIDER Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
i dont see why we just cant go power blocking in the redzone.. Knapp blows
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Kind of makes me wonder if that is one of the reasons that made Wiz decide to quit.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
if they get rid gregg krapp right now…they still may have a chance…
August 19th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
How would you like to be jet fan?
Two young, playoff game winning QB’s and they are the only team who has not scored a TD
What was Cables rally call?
Boomaye?
The players greeted Cable with Ali’s rumble in the Jungla call.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
that is exactly why wiz quit, he couldn’t take this flowery zoneblocking scheme….
August 19th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Goodson had serious fumble problems, before he got to the raiders he has done nothing to correct this, if McFadden goes down don’t tell me he would be a solid option to take over with his history. Taiwan jones is not an every down back. We need to bring in a solid veteran hopefully from the waiver wire.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
After two pre-season games, why all the despair?
August 19th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Goodson is a scrub crying on the side line because he can’t hold on to the football. Then he fakes a shoulder injury, to make an excuse for his fumbles.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Interesting that alot of people in here are blaming the Zone Blocking for the lack of short-yardage production.
I’m suprised that people are not keying in on the lack of a short-yardage Running back
Jones–Too small & Fragile to be anything near a short yardage option
Goodson–Smallish and injury recovering back with fumbleitis
DMac–was not used thus far in his career as a move-the-chains short yardage back
Lonyae Miller–A complete question mark-no name-Cowgirls practice squad player last year, and a Fresno State back-up/role playing RB the year before
It MAY NOT nec. be the Zone Blocking scheme; there has been no attempt to replace Bush since his departure.
Remeber Reggie Mac still has 7 million in cap-space to work with, so we might see some RBs signed soon.
Hopefully everything is in place before wk 1…
August 19th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I’d like to see more of Goodson before he is cut though. He was just laid out a few days ago. Maybe he fights for his life the last two PS games. All in all its not too bad if Goodson doesn’t work out anyway; he was traded for that bum-prjoect player Bruce Campbell. So anything we get from him is a bonus the way I see it.
I have a strong suspicion that Reggie Mac is going to sign another RB before everything is said and done.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hue getting fired is water under the bridge.
Even for those of us who would have liked to have him back with a new DC and under Reggie’s watch.
Without knowing what went on behind closed doors, I think Mark Davis should have sat him down and told him: “Hubert, I own this team and I’m picking the new GM, if you want a shot at keeping your job, I suggest you start going over last year’s film, do the stuff coaches do and get ready to be interviwed by the new guy.”
Then Reggie should have told Hue: “Listen, I’m calling the shots here, I think we can work together as long as you understand that you have to come to me, not the other way around; if you can deal with that I suggest we start talking about your staff, who do you want to keep and who needs to go, I suspect you’d like to start with Chuck…”.
My feeling is Mark wanted to get rid of Hue and have Reggie, his guy, pick a new Coach, HJ was Al’s guy and as such, mistakenly felt he had the right to take over or be heavily involved in football operations; going public about it was something he could never recover from, HJ played his hand wrong, but I also think ammends could have been made and the setup mentioned above could have worked, at least it was well worth a shot in 2012.
There was also another simple alternative once HJ was fired: DA could have given Al Saunders the reigns of the Offense so we could have some sort of continuity with that unit and build on the foundation previously layed while he and Tarver worked on fixing the Defense, but that was DA’s call, Reggie gave him room and he decided to bypass Saunders and get Knapp, good or bad we’re not putting that one on Reggie.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Schroeder the Potater at least got the Raiders to a Conference Title game. So then the pressure is definitely on TIM.
Don’t suck. Throw it to the guys with the silver helmets. If you can’t throw it in the stands.
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RaiderRetribution Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Raider fans thought we were getting Daryle Lamonica, when we traded for Palmer, so far we’ve gotten Jay Schroeder.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
He Twitted something yesterday. I Twitted back that he needs to grow up.
Wasted trade at this point.
That fck’ed up attitude he displayed on the field was enough to get him cut.
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Ray_d Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Goodson is a scrub crying on the side line because he can’t hold on to the football. Then he fakes a shoulder injury, to make an excuse for his fumbles.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Wouldn’t it be cool if the Jets just totally fell apart? NE is gonna treat them like the biatches they are.
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Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
How would you like to be jet fan?
Two young, playoff game winning QB’s and they are the only team who has not scored a TD
What was Cables rally call?
Boomaye?
The players greeted Cable with Ali’s rumble in the Jungla call.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Goodson has 6 carries and 2 fumbles I. The Arizona game that’s bit what you want Dro
Your RB.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
The Jets going Wildcat cat in an effort to dethrone the Pats.
How did that work out for Miami again?
August 19th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
While he’s pounding your wife and/or GF or after?
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Bigsnow81 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Any man that has a manicure or pedicure should question his sexuality.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
324-good observation,but Bush wasn’t a short yardage back either.It seems everyone conveniently forgets we were pretty bad at short yardage last year too-using the power blocking scheme.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I highly doubt that Wiz quit over the ZBS.
Dern NFL replays are three hours long. Thats just flat out wrong. They screw us over enough as it is.
I liked it last year when They speed them up and they lasted 1.5 hours.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
324-good observation,but Bush wasn’t a short yardage back either.It seems everyone conveniently forgets we were pretty bad at short yardage last year too-using the power blocking scheme.
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Bush had his moments in short yardage though. I remember watching him barrel over the Chicago Defense at about 1 or yards out after the Murphy catch from CP. I’m no Chi fan but their D is nothing to sneeze at he ran right thru them
August 19th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
287.RaiderDebo Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Watched the game finally. I’ve got no problems with Knapp at all. There were guys open all night. Hell, Palmer hit a lot of them. A better throw here, a catch made instead of dropped there and things could have looked a lot better. CP’s interceptions will be a big problem no matter who is calling the plays though. How the hell can you drop back and make that throw to Gordon?? It’s beyond nuts! When you see decisions like that, how can anyone say that gets fixed during the season?? Makes you wonder what that dude has going on upstairs. The good news is that the defense looks like it’s for real and should be able to clean up some of those mind-blowing picks. We better hope so.
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“Nuts” and “mind blowing”? Geez. The guy has thrown TWO int’s. IN PRE SEASON!!!
That must mean Peyton Manning is “nuts” cuz he himself has thrown THREE int’s. One wa to an defensive lineman…”INSANE” another was almomost exactly like the one Palmer threw against AZ….Peyton is ‘NUTS’.
Since int’s in the preseason are a definitive characteristic of mental disorders than somebody needs to get a straight jacket for Peyton Manning right away beofre he starts cutting himself with razor blades.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Tight end Brandon Myers returns to Raiders practice
August 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
ray_d Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Goodson has 6 carries and 2 fumbles I. The Arizona game that’s bit what you want Dro
Your RB.
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I agree Goodson looked pretty bad, but the dude is a few days off of a neck injury. We still got 2 more Pre Season games to go; I’d like to see what he’s got (if anything) after at least another game or two…
My hopes are not really dashed either way becasue he was traded for a complete bust-project palyer in B Camp.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Yep both Manning and Rivers suck because they have thrown 3 int so far this preseason, oh and Cassel is the best QB in the AFC West, smh
August 19th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I hope Jones can practice today and play on Saturday, we need to know wht we got with these RB’s
August 19th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
287.RaiderDebo Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Watched the game finally. I’ve got no problems with Knapp at all. There were guys open all night. Hell, Palmer hit a lot of them. A better throw here, a catch made instead of dropped there and things could have looked a lot better. CP’s interceptions will be a big problem no matter who is calling the plays though. How the hell can you drop back and make that throw to Gordon?? It’s beyond nuts! When you see decisions like that, how can anyone say that gets fixed during the season?? Makes you wonder what that dude has going on upstairs. The good news is that the defense looks like it’s for real and should be able to clean up some of those mind-blowing picks. We better hope so.
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“Nuts” and “mind blowing”? Geez. The guy has thrown TWO int’s. IN PRE SEASON!!!
That must mean Peyton Manning is “nuts” cuz he himself has thrown THREE int’s. One wa to an defensive lineman…”INSANE” another was almomost exactly like the one Palmer threw against AZ….Peyton is ‘NUTS’.
Since int’s in the preseason are a definitive characteristic of mental disorders than somebody needs to get a straight jacket for Peyton Manning right away beofre he starts cutting himself with razor blades.
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Good Point. Part of it to me is Palmer testing to see if these WRs and TEs will be able to catch the jump ball or how the WRs will adjust to coverage. Look at how Ford reacted: didn;t jump up or fight for the ball, then dropped a pass on a short yardage crossing pattern up the middle. Carson may be feeling out these recievers to see who’s reliable in what situation
August 19th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
RB Taiwan Jones returns to practice; Wisniewski and Wang still out, riding bike on the side
August 19th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Tafur@VicTafur
Goodson practicing but Heyward-Bey not — Allen said WR’s shoulder injury wasn’t serious; day off for Seymour
August 19th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Leinart here but wearing a baseball cap; Curry and Moore working out with trainers — Curry definitely has more spring than last time here
August 19th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
One thing is certain so far:
This blog is just like the coaching Staff. We are both taking it one week at a time.
DA and Staff says we are a work in progress.
Last week the blog wanted DVD cut. This week we want Ford and Goodson gone.
Let Taiwan play and take two to the house from 40+ yds. We gonna want his game Jersey sent straight to Canton and DMAC traded.
Quit the bicchhen and moaning. We are better than last year. Just watch.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I hate to say this but this Blog might run smoother if we had 98% females and 2% males posting in here.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Right 504, I think alot of whats going on in preseason is the team testing itself and going through eval process beofre wk 1.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I hate to say this but this Blog might run smoother if we had 98% females and 2% males posting in here.
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Most things would be smoother if I had 98% females around me. lol
August 19th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
When Goodson is healty he averages 1 fumble per 25 carries, when neck is sprained 1 funble per 4 carries. Eather way thats terrible. Not saying cut him now, but he’s on thin ice.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
504
It sounds like posters want alot more than those two cut this week, way to much overreaction going on this preseason.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Imo i think tight end is are weakest position. In saying that, why does knapp continuosly have double tights ? By doing this he leaves reece or our 3rd wide on the sideline. just preseason?
August 19th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
That first San Diego game last year when Palmer ran the no huddle was the best I have seen him play since he has arrived here and its because he was so comfortable. Bush put up huge numbers in that game and that is the kind of offense that we should be seeing.
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That was the best game I saw since the last time the Raiders were in the AFC championship game. Palmer looked better than PM at the no huddle. He was a master.
Maybe Knapp thinks he’s designing the offense for Lienart, or Lienart is the starter or something. Knapp very well could be confused right now.
August 19th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
P Shane Lechler, who underwent offseason knee surgery, is practicing for the first time since camp opened.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Remember the article that came out after Al died about how Mark Davis would walk into meetings and or the draft room while Al and the Staff were in there and Al would stop tell Mark to GTFOH?
Well there are 32 owners in the NFL and every single one of them would do the exact same thing to every single one of us if we went to their Team Headquarters seeking the GM job.
Let Reggie and DA do what they have the credentials to do. We are just the media without an audience.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I hate to say this but this Blog might run smoother if we had 98% females and 2% males posting in here.
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Thats funny, cause this place smells like a lot of testerone. Totally agree with what your sayin.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
If that was what the ZBS looked like friday night, and Palmer runnin for his life most the time, and Dmac not bein able to punch it in, if that is a preview of the ZBS and things to come. well, I don’t like it. Not one bit.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Sh!t Reggie, its been a long off season with a lot of anticipation. Show us something. Let Palmer play to his strength. Throw a dog a bone man.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Who is our #1 WR…is there a clear cut #1?
August 19th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
(please feel free to copy and paste)
Raider Fans Who Do Not Care For Knapps ZBS:
Gomer
August 19th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
(please feel free to copy and paste)
Raider Fans Who Do Not Care For Knapps ZBS:
Gomer. co-signed
August 19th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
i think coaching/general manager is the weakest link….
August 19th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
It is not a system/scheme and it is not Knapp’s….
It is an approach to run blocking…..one which should be accompanied by other ways of blocking defenses.
PERIOD.
End of discussion!
August 19th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Why does knapp run double tights? over have the plays? A good coach comes in and desighs a system to fit the roster, not make players fit his system.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
designs
August 19th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
sign me up for hating greg krapps zbs
August 19th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Bunk
this is the system they’re going with, and they will be drafting/signing players over the next few years to fit the system.
They look for long-term success, Packers-style.
It worked in Houston, it works in New England, it works in plenty of places. No reason to whine about it here.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Bunk Moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
(please feel free to copy and paste)
Raider Fans Who Do Not Care For Knapps ZBS:
Gomer
Bunk Moorland
Al_is_theraiders
August 19th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Who would you guys prefer to get?
A) Ryan Grant
B) Plaxico Burress
C) Both
D) Neither
August 19th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Bunk Moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Why does knapp run double tights? over have the plays? A good coach comes in and desighs a system to fit the roster, not make players fit his system.
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Yes, look at Denver for an example. Last year they changed their offense to fit Tebow. This year they are running Peyton Manning’s “style” offense. Meanwhile in Oakland Knapp is try to force a scheme on CP and DMAC that is not compatible. That’s just stupid football.
Hue’s offense fit CP and DMAC.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
This Blog is definitely making Big Al smile everyday. This blog wants to win every single game in dominating fashion. When it doesn’t happen: Fire the Coach, Fire the GM, Cut this one, cut that one.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
alex7, yeah cause knapp had so much success before. Lets spend the next couple years investing in him.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
August 19th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Bunk Moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
alex7, yeah cause knapp had so much success before. Lets spend the next couple years investing in him.
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RaidO Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Bunk Moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Why does knapp run double tights? over have the plays? A good coach comes in and desighs a system to fit the roster, not make players fit his system.
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Yes, look at Denver for an example. Last year they changed their offense to fit Tebow. This year they are running Peyton Manning’s “style” offense. Meanwhile in Oakland Knapp is try to force a scheme on CP and DMAC that is not compatible. That’s just stupid football.
Hue’s offense fit CP and DMAC.
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Allen should know this especially if he was around a system that was designed for Tebow and you know he has to know Denver is building around PM. WTF do we got to sweat a few more years and wait for the right personnel to fit a fckng ZBS when we got Raider football here right now? Let Palmer run the offense.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Who’da thunk in Texas a person virtually needs a helicopter to make money hunting feral hogs:(
August 19th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Just say no to ZBS
August 19th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Free Palmer! Free DMC!
August 19th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
and yes the ZBS sucks. Before DMAC got hurt he was the leading rusher in the NFL. The O line was also holding up pretty well. Does that mean anything? Why the hell would you want to change the damn system? Just dumb
Things a GM and coach should be aware of. “GED” football etiquette.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Bunk Moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
alex7, yeah cause knapp had so much success before. Lets spend the next couple years investing in him.
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RaidO Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Bunk Moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Why does knapp run double tights? over have the plays? A good coach comes in and desighs a system to fit the roster, not make players fit his system.
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Yes, look at Denver for an example. Last year they changed their offense to fit Tebow. This year they are running Peyton Manning’s “style” offense. Meanwhile in Oakland Knapp is try to force a scheme on CP and DMAC that is not compatible. That’s just stupid football.
Hue’s offense fit CP and DMAC.
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Allen should know this especially if he was around a system that was designed for Tebow and you know he has to know Denver is building around PM. WTF do we got to sweat a few more years and wait for the right personnel to fit a fckng ZBS when we got Raider football here right now? Let Palmer run the offense.
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also if we sweat a few more years for right personel, dmac is 25,how much longer until hes done? 4-5 years ?
August 19th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
SC_DougFarrar @SC_DougFarrar 1d
Wondering which week of the regular season Dennis Allen will look up and cogitate his first “Oh, #$%^& — Greg Knapp is my OC!” face…
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I think DA already has done so. Every time the lovely Mrs. DA asks: “So, honey how was your day?”….
August 19th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Raidernationdave, do you fake in bake while you have your cuticles filed? No matter how many women you sleep has no regard to having a manicure, which is feminine.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I reserve the right until mid season to piss and moan about the ZBS.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Bigsnow81 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I reserve the right until mid season to piss and moan about the ZBS.
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lol. I reserve the right to piss and moan about it right now.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I’ll repeat myself:
An OC is waaaaaaaay down the list of reasons why an offense succeeds or fails. Its the players, not some magical SYSTEM.
See: Mike Martz w/ Rams and w/ Bears, Sean Payton with Brees instead of Kerry Collins, Norv Turner with Rivers instead of Collins, Hue Jackson with and without DMac…
August 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Who would you guys prefer to get?
A) Ryan Grant
B) Plaxico Burress
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put me down for NEITHER please
Session, Carrier, Carswell, Mayo & Muhammad can duke it out for the 6th WR spot
I’ll keep Lonyae Miller as well.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
As if the Colts “system” was the reason they played scored so much.
PLAYERS matter, not some random OC.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
and I’m fairly certain that more than half of you dorks don’t even understand the blocking scheme of a ZBS.
You know when we tried going straight man-blocking? When Slater was here in the Shell II era teaching the O-line to chase stunts and twists. Disaster.
It’s probably the same dorks that hate zone defense.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
346.504 Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I hate to say this but this Blog might run smoother if we had 98% females and 2% males posting in here.
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the problem is 98% of this blog DOES act like females. they are never satisfied in here even if we do something good.a guy could score a td but you will have some people biotch about how he scored it.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Ryan Grant’s knees are shot. He’s done in the NFL.
Plaxico Burress can’t get separation. He’s done in the NFL.
Truth.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
glad to hear Jones, Myers & Lechler are all back at practice!!
August 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
exactly Armond.
Palmer comes off the couch last year and lights up the Lions, Chargers (twice), Bears, and Vikings and people just want to talk about the 3 bad games he had, as if he’s not allowed to.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
later gents
August 19th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Interceptions come with being a gunslinger.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I had to laugh. Jim Miller (Bears announcer) said right after Bush ran for a 1 yd. td…UNTOUCHED mind you, that “That’s why the Bears got Michael Bush…he is GREAT in goal line situations”.
See. This is the stuff that pizzes me off to no end; media guys who have no clue what the hell they’re talking about.
You wanna say Bush is an asset to the Bears…or that he will be a capable backup to Forte? Fine, but at least have some clue about what you’re saying.
We as Raider fans no full well he was NOT GOOD in goalline situations. Even the hardest nosed Bush supporter here will concede that; yet this guy claims he’s “GREAT” in those situations.
End of my “Media Cop” vent.
Thanks.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Manning has thrown 3 int’s. so far He’s done!
Palmer sucks.
Ok. Back to Charger board.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
exactly Armond.
Palmer comes off the couch last year and lights up the Lions, Chargers (twice), Bears, and Vikings and people just want to talk about the 3 bad games he had, as if he’s not allowed to.
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If we had receivers that could catch consistently, NO ONE would say Palmer sucks. a TD drop and about 4 others RIGHT ON THE NUMBERS!
DMC is our most reliable handed receiver.
CP3 will clean up a lot of these errant throws. i believe Knapp just needs better play calling in the red zone(we need a red zone threat) .. DMC in short yardage in a ZBS will not cut it anywhere.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
i think the media and ESPN’s rankings have gotten people scared of rooting for Palmer.
like what’s said right above here… the man had some great games last year. Knapp just needs to call the offense according to his attributes.. and that’s going deep a lot.
i have a strong feeling that we haven’t seen any of the kind of plays Knapp wants to run. DMC splitting out wide is the extent of the creativeness so far.
one pass to Reece so far in preseason? yea, it’s fair to say that will be happening A LOT in the regular season, especially if injuries to our stars continue to plague this team(outlook not so good). i expect Reece to gain 1000 YFS this year with a hand full of TDs.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
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If we had receivers that could catch consistently, NO ONE would say Palmer sucks.
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I hear what you’re saying, but Palmer could win MVP of the Super Bowl and there would STILL be some idiots saying he sucks…..and Jamarcus and JC are better…they just never got the chance.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Lechler is back, golf season must finally be over.
Taiwan (and Barksdale for that matter) need to prove they were worth the 2nd round pick we gave up for them.
Meyrs shoulder getting better, we weren’t the only ones to notice Gordon has improved.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
oh yes and especially if we go into the season with this joke of a cast of TE’s … Reece will be a much better option to line up there.. he can run block at least a little bit… enough to help DMC.
August 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
welly above statement could be void if Gordon really catches on and gets some reliable hands.
but he to, is very fragile from what we’ve seen so far.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
XRaider, shhhhh………
I don’t think Dennis and Knapp want DCs to remember Reece’s X-factor.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Xraided Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
exactly Armond.
Palmer comes off the couch last year and lights up the Lions, Chargers (twice), Bears, and Vikings and people just want to talk about the 3 bad games he had, as if he’s not allowed to.
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If we had receivers that could catch consistently, NO ONE would say Palmer sucks. a TD drop and about 4 others RIGHT ON THE NUMBERS!
DMC is our most reliable handed receiver.
CP3 will clean up a lot of these errant throws. i believe Knapp just needs better play calling in the red zone(we need a red zone threat) .. DMC in short yardage in a ZBS will not cut it anywhere.
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I’ve seen enough of CP to make this observation:
CP’s throws are not always perfect. Carson is used to throwing to tall WRs who could challenge for the ball to either catch it if thrown properly or go make a play to make sure the ball is not intercepted if under or over thrown. Ford is too short to go up and challenge tall CBs and hence is not capable of doing that. Moore is capable of that and that’s why CP loves him. Streater is CP’s type of WR. I think Ford should be a kick off returner only when he comes back. Why try to force Ford on CP? Ford has been responsible for many INTs due to this simple fact.
DHB is not CP kind of WR either. I think Raiders coaching needs to recognize that to go w Moore, Streater, Criner, DHB and Ford in that order as our #1,2,3,4 and 5 WRs.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I expect King (punter) to be practice squad, Lechler can’t play forever.
I think Stupar and Carswell to be on PS as well.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Big Ben just threw interception on first play of game.
trade ben for that peanut butter sandwich we could not get for CP
August 19th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I have been one of the biggest Palmer supporter here and I am not saying cut his ass I was just pointing out that Knapps offense is not utilizing its talents and Palmer looked way more comfortable last year.
When he ran that no huddle against SD the first time we played them, that was Palmer being used right and at his best.
Bush had what 157 yards that day?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Samson is the Colts starting center for Luck. How about that?
Got pushed back that play
August 19th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Maybe Palmer will let Knapp know that he prefers a system geared to his strengths. Maybe Knapp will listen. ZBS = BS
August 19th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
404.Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Big Ben just threw interception on first play of game.
trade ben for that peanut butter sandwich we could not get for CP
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Forgive my ignorance but who are you referring to?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Anyone watching colts-steelers?
Nice play and run after catch
August 19th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Steelers are playing the Colts on the one eyed hypnotist (abc)? and the peanut butter sandwich is refering to my saying trade CP for one after he threw that first interception
August 19th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
405.Silverandblack666 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I have been one of the biggest Palmer supporter here and I am not saying cut his ass I was just pointing out that Knapps offense is not utilizing its talents and Palmer looked way more comfortable last year.
When he ran that no huddle against SD the first time we played them, that was Palmer being used right and at his best.
Bush had what 157 yards that day?
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Well, we know Reggie and DA poured over all the game tape from last year…probably many times. You would hope they would see what worked and what didn’t.
I hope.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
410,
Oh. Ok. I got ya.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I hope to heck that during the regular season DA would decide to challenge that play to McFadden on the sideline.
It looked like he was in.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Well, we know Reggie and DA poured over all the game tape from last year…probably many times. You would hope they would see what worked and what didn’t.
I hope.
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I don’t mind what Knapp is doing right now. But you are right DJ. I hope the coaches recognize what works and what doesn’t. Unless the players get Knapps offense down 100% I hope he doesn’t rely on it 100%
August 19th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RFL,
Al Davis’s words are appropriate here….”Just Win Baby”.
Whatever it takes. If it means swallowing your pride and making changes…have the commitment to WINNING above all else.
Al Davis and Charlie Sheen combining for words to live by.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Luck just had a pick six…hahahahaha.
How’s it feel playing a real defense this week?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I don’t know why i’m laughing at Andrew Luck…I have nothing against him per se.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Down he goes…hahahahahahahahaha.
August 19th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
HOYO HO HO
just pinched a loaf that had been bangin at the rear door all day. feel pretty good now after unloading that beaut. hollas been sprayin havana omellettes all day.
HOLLA
August 19th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Now Luck is tearing it up…
August 19th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Samson is spending his fair share of the time on the turf
August 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Luck will be a good QB. no worries for him. he just needs a capable RB. the Colts haven’t had one.. since… uhh…?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Miss beech
who the heck cleans up after your poop riots?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
about CP3,
he’s the best option we have at this point.
would have someone prefer we went and got Flynn? how about trading into the first round for Tannehil?
August 19th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Brown does look beasty right now …
although i think PIT will blow azz this year in that category!
August 19th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Lol @ poop riots….I’m sorry but that is fkn funny.
poop riots.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Was it just me that noticed Reece had two blown pass blocking moments and got TP/Lienart blown-up?
August 19th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Miss beech
who the heck cleans up after your poop riots?
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The maid, holla, loiser, bettilou, me and we box them record them with the gathered datum and archive them for future reference.
HOLLA
August 19th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
427
I believe that was Miller, or Miiler did the same thing. I know I saw Miller whiff on a couple blocks, one down by the goaline, at first thought it was Reece myself
August 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Raiders running back Mike Goodson really concentrated on holding on to ball at practice after 2 fumbles Fri. “He has to,” Allen said,
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They should do what Pit did with Mendenhall, make him carry ball around everywhere and when people walk by have them try to knock it out. They have too do something different because whatever they thought they did to help obviously hasn’t.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I’ll repeat myself:
An OC is waaaaaaaay down the list of reasons why an offense succeeds or fails. Its the players, not some magical SYSTEM.
See: Mike Martz w/ Rams and w/ Bears, Sean Payton with Brees instead of Kerry Collins, Norv Turner with Rivers instead of Collins, Hue Jackson with and without DMac…
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You obviously don’t follow football.
Pay attention.
Yeah, players have to make plays, but if the OC has his head up his rear, the defense’s job is a lot easier.
When D’s stack up against the run, because they know the OC runs 90% of the time on first down, the RB doesn’t have a chance.
Still with me, Jr?
Martz stupidly ran plays that were doomed, yet still ran them again, and again, because he felt it should work. That’s not the players, Jr. That’s the OC inserting head up rear.
When you hear defenses state “We had no idea at all what they were going to throw at us” it means two things.
That OC kicked butt, and the other team lost.
You have to have the horses, but without a good OC?
Going to be a looong Sunday.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
LOL
August 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Taiwan Jones back from hamstring, coaches told him no reason 2 outrun everybody in Napa. “I have a few gears; keep it to 2nd in practice.”
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August 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Announcers just said Colts O line has a new look. Last year they were a finesse team and this year they are blowing people off the new line with new personel
August 19th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The maid, holla, loiser, bettilou, me and we box them record them with the gathered datum and archive them for future reference.
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Speaking of references, do you pay well? I know a 60 + year old realtor from Oakland. He is worthless and the old lady is about to kick him out. He cant list houses let alone sell them but I bet he could pick up poo.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
[...] Contra Costa Times’ Steve Corkran shed light on the injury suffered to wide receiver Jacoby Ford in Friday’s contest against [...]
August 19th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
One of the single most hilarious posts I have ever read here!
Must be talkin’ about Kooky Kell.
That dude couldn’t spell “sale” even if you spotted him t s, a, l, and e.
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Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The maid, holla, loiser, bettilou, me and we box them record them with the gathered datum and archive them for future reference.
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Speaking of references, do you pay well? I know a 60 + year old realtor from Oakland. He is worthless and the old lady is about to kick him out. He cant list houses let alone sell them but I bet he could pick up poo.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
and I’m fairly certain that more than half of you dorks don’t even understand the blocking scheme of a ZBS.
You know when we tried going straight man-blocking? When Slater was here in the Shell II era teaching the O-line to chase stunts and twists. Disaster.
It’s probably the same dorks that hate zone defense.
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I get a kick out of how your defending Knapps crappy play calling so far this preseason.
Shell and Walsh ran a straight up man to man OLine system with ZERO scheme involved! ZERO!
Heck, Chuck B’s D last year was almost as bad as Shell Walsh 2 bed and breakfast Offense was.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
If Hubris Jackson did not have Bush, the results you’re seeing this preseason would be far, far worse in comparison
August 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If Hubris Jackson did not have Bush, the results you’re seeing this preseason would be far, far worse in comparison…
Besides didn’t Knapp have to deal with Duh marcus the last time he was here?
August 20th, 2012 at 8:00 am
[...] “Raiders coach Dennis Allen said an MRI revealed a sprained left foot on the same foot that Ford injured last season. Ford suffered the injury at the end of a reception Friday night against the Arizona Cardinals,” wrote Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times. [...]