Why Raiders will stick with ZBS
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, August 18th, 2012 at 2:00 am in Oakland Raiders.
Anyone hoping the Raiders will junk or alter their zone blocking system in short-yardage and goal line situations _ and judging from what I’ve read from Twitter followers it’s a good number _ will be disappointed.
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is a ZBS (zone blocking system) guy from his days with Alex Gibbs with the Atlanta Falcons. Dennis Allen was there too, and he agrees. Offensive line coach Frank Pollack was hired off the staff of the Houston Texans specifically because he could teach what Allen and Knapp want to execute.
The background is this _ Tom Cable, also a Gibbs disciple _ is a huge believer in zone blocking. Without getting overly complicated, it has to do with closing off gaps and giving cutback lanes to runners, then cut-blocking on the backside. Dancers need not apply. Make the correct read, put a foot in the ground, and then go.
Cable had to give up the strict adherence to zone blocking when Al Davis brought in Hue Jackson as the offensive coordinator, and Jackson immediately went to running back Darren McFadden and asked him about his favorite plays. Some of those plays included runs where there was no thinking or reacting involved before making a cut. Simply take the ball and go.
Included were gap and power runs not employed by the Raiders. Jackson put them in immediately and lo and behold, McFadden flourished in Year 3.
A lot of that had to do with health, of course. Probably most of it. Because McFadden looks fine running zone plays so far. The beef comes in short yardage, where there’s a school of thought that linemen don’t fire off as quickly in a compacted area and it hurts near the goal line and when defenses are stacked to stop the short run.
For what it’s worth, I addressed that topic with Pollack recently and this is what he said:
Q: Can the zone scheme be just effective in short-yardage and near the goal line as power and gap schemes?
Pollack: Absolutely.
Q: Why would that be the case? Isn’t it sometimes easier to go straight forward rather than wait for the `one-cut’?
Pollack: The zone scheme is a misnomer, we’re not playing laterally. It’s not a soft scheme. We’re coming off the ball, north and south, it’s just how we’re accomplishing our scheme where we’re not staying on specific defenders. We’re working through gaps, sorting out the trash if you will, we’re playing north and south and downhill. The goal line is just an extension of our zone scheme with maybe an extra two guys to block and we’re adding two extra guys to block as well on offense.
McFadden got stuffed on two goal line runs as well as failing to gain a yard to get a first down. And still finished wtih 34 yards on nine first-quarter carries.
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August 18th, 2012 at 2:11 am
F ZBS
August 18th, 2012 at 2:11 am
And First.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:39 am
Zbs lacks that nice deep vertical play that Carson likes to throw, that keeps the defense on its heels. Haven’t seen one this pre-season. Knapp will be on the hot seat all season. Criner = camp star. Streater the real deal. Missin Moore though.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Gonna be painful to watch ZBS it only seems to be effective if mixed with some power plays…Hue is a con-artist but his offence was productive and exciting and kept us in games….ZBS says one cut and go,but that dosent happen alot usually the rb is neutral and u get a free shot ,alot of rb and qb get hurt in ZBS scheme
August 18th, 2012 at 4:24 am
Violent Hands Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Gonna be painful to watch ZBS it only seems to be effective if mixed with some power plays…Hue is a con-artist but his offence was productive and exciting and kept us in games….ZBS says one cut and go,but that dosent happen alot usually the rb is neutral and u get a free shot ,alot of rb and qb get hurt in ZBS scheme
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It can’t be that bad If it’s always the teams that employs the ZBS that seems to lead the league in rushing every year
August 18th, 2012 at 4:31 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Go RAIDERS::::: and to the fake fans please leave ur Raider badges at the door and don’t let the door hit u on the way out
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Thankyou 20.
There has been a lot of imposters here lately. Thanks for policing this place yesterday.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:38 am
Regarding the replacement refs….
They are comical. Its funny to watch. But they make a ton of mistakes equally on both sides.
They seem to allow a lot more going on. Not so many ticky-tack penalties.
One thing is for sure, whether you like the replacements or not, just never forget this…
….the old refs once screwed up a coin toss on Thanksgiving on national TV. It doesnt get any worse than that. (Well maybe it does but we dont need to talk about the Tuck game any more than necessary).
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 am
That head ref last night was sharp. I thought he did a very good job.
The team will do great this year. The O has plenty of weapons and CP MAY not be top ten but he is close and he can put the team on his back and win games. Reg has some money left in the purse and we may still find some help in places.
When was the last time we had a QB that could do that?
I thought the D was playing more as a team (duh since we are no longer man to man) but it really shows. Lots of gang tackling and bodies on the ball all the time. That alone will stop all those long runs broke off on us.
Dont write off this team or its players after two PS games.
Mark Davis has proved he is not Al. He hired top guys after getting advice from top guys. How the heck can anyone advocate for his selling the team?
August 18th, 2012 at 5:46 am
Broncos won 2 Super Bowls using ZBS. They turned every RB into star.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Don’t like having replacement refs. But, they have been very good to Raiders so far.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:54 am
DHB catches the ball, and Palmer doesn’t screw up on the D-Mac sideline throw, and this isn’t even discussed.
Quite frankly, Knapp is doing a waaaaaay better job right now than our players.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Klas has major late night football hang over.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Knapp had a perfect play-call, where he completely outsmarted the AZ defense, and got D-Mac isolated on a LB with the safety rolled to the middle of the field, and Palmer blew it.
That was great work from Knapp, on what should have been a great TD drive.
Yet Palmer makes a bad throw and people start blaming Knapp, lol.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:04 am
In the regular season, Palmer will just QB sneak it from the goalline in that situation, and again, nobody is talking about this stuff.
Pretty disappointed in The Nation, jumping off the ship already and whining.
The running mascare under your eyepatch is not a good look!!!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Raiders should give Caballero some playing time these next 2 preseason games. He may be better 3rd string QB than Pryor.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:06 am
JFB, you are so right. I am amazed at how much Debbie Downers frequent this blog. It is only 2nd preseason game!
August 18th, 2012 at 6:10 am
I thought season ticket holders were responsible for their seat, even if they sold it. I guess that doesn’t control what happens in parking lots but still I blame a lot of this on team ticket policy not being enforced. Season ticket holders are just dumping their preseason tickets off to scalpers or retailers and they’re selling them on the cheap to any friendly gang member that wants them. If season ticket holders are held responsible for their seats, they’re more careful about who they sell to, and that makes the event safer for everyone. Remember that snowball fight at the Giants game years’ back? The owners of those seats, even though they weren’t even there, lost their season ticket accounts. As they should have. Obviously it doesn’t work that way anymore. That’s why so many preseason games are basically gang conventions.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Ford’s injury is being described as a foot sprain, the same way McFadden’s injury was described last year.
If it is somewhat significant of an injury, it will actually impact the DB rotation in a round-about way.
McCann will have to stay on the roster, as the kick returner, and is also a DB. Could spell bad news for DVD potentially, or another fringe DB roster spot.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I for one am tired of Palmer and his picks. bad thing about that is its only been 2 pre- games. I sure hope he can get it together cause we wont win schyt if he continues to throw picks to the tune of 1 per game. He just doesnt look very good, or much better than last year. No excuses for him this year.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Another shooting? Dumb wanba-bes. Metal detectors coming soon.
Advice: get the expensive tickets and sit with the older business people.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Raiders think they have a top five defense
The Raiders ranked 29th in the NFL in yards allowed and 31st in touchdowns allowed last season, but they’re confident that this year will be different. Very different.
Raiders defensive lineman Richard Seymour said at the start of training camp that he believes Oakland can have a Top 5 defense this season, and teammate Tommy Kelly said Thursday that he feels the same way.
“Most definitely,” Kelly said. “To me, the biggest change is probably [head coach Dennis Allen] and [defensive coordinator Jason] Tarver. It is just attention to details, the little things. DA harps on that all day long. It helps because you see the mental errors on the field, on the practice field and even in the game, we’re down. The technique, we can fix that. If we cut down on the mental errors and the penalties, people are going to have a hard time dealing with us.”
Kelly has been with the Raiders since 2004, and he said he can already see — through one preseason game — that there’s a difference with the new coaching staff.
“This is the first time in nine years that we have looked that good tackling in the first game of the preseason,” Kelly said. “So whatever they are doing it must be working.”
The new approach is going to have to work really well for the Raiders’ defense to be as good as Seymour and Kelly think.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:22 am
“This is the first time in nine years that we have looked that good tackling in the first game of the preseason,” Kelly said. “So whatever they are doing it must be working.”
TK likes the tackling also!!
He said some remarks about Kolb last night. I dont know what they were but BSPN just mentioned it
August 18th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Big pep
When Palmer threw for about 400 yards, multiple TDs, and a pick or two vs the Bears, Chargers (twice), Lions, and Vikings, did you whine about the picks?
August 18th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Firebaby.
I was thinking “where is Samson” last night right before you mentioned it.
Theres a big hole over there in between left guard and the sideline
August 18th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Plunkett
Kelly said “that boy is scared!” about how Kolb played.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:26 am
lol I almost feel sorry for Phoenix
August 18th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Some of the more obvious trolls in here (like Blacksilverside and Al_is_thraiders) are amusing to read.
“OH MAH GAWD! WE’VE LOST TWO PRESEASON GAMES BY ONE SCORE EACH! FIRE EVERYBODY! CUT EVERYONE! BRING HUE BACK!”
August 18th, 2012 at 6:56 am
No i didnt whine, but i wish he would be a bit more carefull with the ball, now if our def can show that they can stop someone this year, then fuc it. throw the ball carson cause our D can get it back.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Everybody will jump to conclusions and blame Raiders fan for parking lot shooting. I bet it wasn’t though.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Keep Caballero and trade Pryor to Cardinals for 7th rounder.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Every NFL team has a bunch of dumbasses running around the parking lot drinking liquid balls, running there mouth to people who mostly just want to go watch a game. causing all kinds of problems.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Palmer absolutely needs to clean up the picks.
Especially since both have came on 1st and 10, and were complete forces.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Palmer is not going to be the best QB week in and week out, but if he is going to force the ball and throw picks, he needs to offset it with a ton of yards thrown, or with some late game moxie like Eli does.
Eli Manning throws awful picks, at least one a game. But if you get him the ball and need a late score, he seems like he makes it happen damn near everytime.
Not saying Carson can become Eli Manning, but I will take a poor man’s Eli Manning for sure.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Miller is our best backup running back.
I hope DA gets that.
On Goodson, someone once asked Vince Lombardi what he did with backs who fumble.
He said, “I don’t keep them.”
August 18th, 2012 at 7:28 am
America, you need to get creative and stop making the remakes and the reboots. New Red Dawn movie looks the lame. Arnold in new movie too (not Expendables). Looks like trash. Sweden knows how to do it right. #cinema
August 18th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Sweden knows how to do a lot of thing right.
Especially women.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Goodson looks like he may be disaster. Perhaps he will recover. Yeah, I like Miller better. Like to see him with starting O-line more.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Kirk Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Sweden knows how to do a lot of thing right.
Especially women.
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Oh yeah!
August 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I always said Goodson SHOULD have been brought in to replace Rock Cartwright, and play all teams and be the emergency RB.
Taiwan needs to sack up!!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I don’t think anyone should get fired but everyone has a reason too be concern when you bring a coordinator back that wasn’t successful like al did with chuck b.But I do like what Allen is doing with the defense.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Hue had some shortcomings as a head coach but the offense was on point,we never had a problem getting one yard.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Defense and penalties are very impressive. I think this will be a safe and conservative offense. Lots of running and short passes. That may upset some people. I envision this team will be more like the Jets than the Packers.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:40 am
I’m not excited about Knapp either. We will see. If defense is much improved, and DMac stays healthy, I will be happy.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Not sure of Leinart’s injury situation, but right now he’s looking better than Palmer.
Palmer has looked atrocious so far this pre-season. I know its only the pre-season, but the guy needs to see the field better. I swear he’s only looking at one player and or looking to make one throw.
Last year was a wash, we all know the circumstances.
But this year we have Manning in the division. Palmer needs to begin to show that he is worth the steep price we paid for him, or I say go with the younger guy and at least hope for the future.
I have to say Lienart reminds me of Gannon. I can’t help but wonder what he’d look like playing with the 1’s against the other team’s 1’s
Go Raiders
August 18th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Total Points Scored in 2011 Preseason, First Two Games: 21
Total Points Scored in 2012 Preseason, First Two Games: 27
Did you know we also went 0-4 last preseason, even with the might Hue Jackson?
Relax, everyone.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:28 am
America, you need to get creative and stop making the remakes and the reboots. New Red Dawn movie looks the lame. Arnold in new movie too (not Expendables). Looks like trash. Sweden knows how to do it right. #cinema
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I’d like to argue this…but Sweden had Ingmar Bergman, so I can’t.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Total Yards in 2011 Preseason, First Two Games: 543
Total Yards in 2012 Preseason, First Two Games: 537
OPPONENT’s Total Yards in 2011 Preseason, First Two Games: 802 (!)
OPPONENT’s Total Yards in 2012 Preseason, First Two Games: 424
August 18th, 2012 at 8:00 am
This team is concerning with the lack of play-makers and healthy contributors offensively.
It is basically McFadden’s show, with a complete falloff after him across the field due to depth and injuries.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:00 am
This team is concerning with the lack of play-makers and healthy contributors offensively.
It is basically McFadden’s show, with a complete falloff after him across the field due to depth and injuries.
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At the RB spot, Taiwan might provide that kind of spark if he can ever get healthy.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am
This offense needs a healthy Denarrius Moore working the field.
When he is right, he creates more room for everyone else, because you have to account for him.
I like what I have seen so far from Streater, but he looks like he is going to work the middle of the field short more so, than push the edges.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am
The coordinator I’m most concerned with isn’t Knapp (his offense has been decent for the first two games), but Steve Hoffman. VERY unimpressive special teams play.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:06 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Total Points Scored in 2011 Preseason, First Two Games: 21
Total Points Scored in 2012 Preseason, First Two Games: 27
Did you know we also went 0-4 last preseason, even with the might Hue Jackson?
Relax, everyone.
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great point
August 18th, 2012 at 8:09 am
It will be nice to have a season where the defense carries us.
A pleasant change of pace, I say.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Goodson needs to be released (ASAP)in the 1st round of cuts!!
Ryan Grant needs to be brought in to catch up with our 1st team and playbook!!
Who knows if we could depend on Taiwan…dude seems to be hurt 90% of the time.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:11 am
missed game but followed play by play on gamecast. what happened to DHB?
August 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am
And finally:
Penalties in 2011 Preseason, First Two Games: 16 penalties, 139 yards total
Penalties in 2012 Preseason, First Two Games: 9 penalties, 64 yards total
August 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
My notes on the first 2 PS games
Offense:
-Carson seems to lack a consistent flow to his passing attack. Maybe its because Moore isnt out there or just all the dropped balls, he is just confortable
-Dmac is the best player on this team, which when you think about it, it is scary because I dont think you can run the Zone scheme without a solid back.
- The starting Oline is the best unit as a whole, but the second string is struggling
-I am worried about
August 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Waive Lechler, Condo, and Goodson.
Keep Miller.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
….about the lack of consistent play at the TE position, which is important in this offensive scheme.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Kirk Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Waive Lechler, Condo, and Goodson.
Keep Miller.
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Waive Lechler and Condo? Quit smokin’ yer cereal.
Goodson? He gets another shot, but the man has to stop putting the ball on the carpet.
Miller might be OK as the late-game hammer.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Duck,
Great stats, but you do realize we had issues scoring with Hue too, correct?
We averaged 22.3 points per game last year, and ranked 16th in scoring, but we were top 10 in yards. (are you reading this Chico?).
August 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Duck,
Great stats, but you do realize we had issues scoring with Hue too, correct?
We averaged 22.3 points per game last year, and ranked 16th in scoring, but we were top 10 in yards. (are you reading this Chico?).
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My posts were more directed at these trolls who keep saying how much better Hue was than Knapp and “OMG WE NEED HUE BACK!!!”
August 18th, 2012 at 8:27 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Kirk Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Waive Lechler, Condo, and Goodson.
Keep Miller.
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Waive Lechler and Condo? Quit smokin’ yer cereal.
Goodson? He gets another shot, but the man has to stop putting the ball on the carpet.
Miller might be OK as the late-game hammer.
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but the man has to stop putting the ball on opposing teams hands…literally!!
Cut that foo now!!
Who was it..Jerry or Steve that said ” to see what those at training camp have watched” about Goodson.
What is there to see…fumbles? five yards on six carries?
August 18th, 2012 at 8:31 am
The improvement on defense is very encouraging the first two preseason games with the 1’s, but the lack of depth on offense is glaring, particularly at RB and TE. Streater looks like a keeper. I love his hustle and “want to”.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I wasn’t sold on Knapp when we hired him again, and I’m still not sold on that guy.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I thought the 1st stringers on defense played well. I like Tarver.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:36 am
For a guy who had/ has a fumbling problem, fumbling twice on 8 carries is a huge problem.
We need another RB or we should keep Miller.
Cut Goodson.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Criners needs more action. We need to use him more to know what he can do, and I’m not talking about a reverse with a guy who runs a 4.7 40. We have FBs that can run faster than him.
I hate Knapp.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:41 am
O, keep Miller as our 2nd or do we pick up our 2nd RB from Free Agency?
August 18th, 2012 at 8:48 am
The problem I have with zone blocking is Raider specific. That is, the power blocking system worked so well for us, why switch?
August 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
R8,
Miller is good option as our 3rd RB, but we need a better option at 2nd, and I’m not sold on a guy that can’t stay healthy (T Jones).
I think we should add a RB from FA.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
ZBS is not the problem IMO. Knapp is the problem.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
DL looks great but gotta have worst LB core in NFL, which looks even worse when you look at 49ers and how awesome theirs is.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Aside from that 1st Arizona drive, i loved what i seen from the 1st string D. They were actually fun to watch, bodies flying all over the field.
Special teams needs work, leaving too many yards on the field from the Cards return men.
I’m not a told ya so guy, but Reggie is taking a gamble on only relying on Goodson and Jones as backup. When we traded for Goodson a few told me we’re fine. Well Goodson is doing exactly what he’s known for. Jones can be a play maker if only he suits up.
Regg get some reliable rb depth please!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Replay on NFLN tonight.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:55 am
This is what we are ladies and gents, a B&B Knapp/Cable offense
They are trying to sell this rethread crap offense to the raider nation & Im not buying.
Hue was 10 times better as a o coordinator back in 2010, we had a top 10 offense
CP looks the worst hes been, regresing under GK ofense
August 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
One of the biggest disappointments for me so far has been Ford. Not so much because of the 1st game drops but because he is injury prone.
I’m bummed…… I had high hopes for him.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I don’t think I could care less about who wins in preseason, what bothers me is how bad those “guys that lit up camp” look. CP looks horrible out there.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:58 am
HAHA they are not gonna cut Goodson people…..Miller is slow as hell….but the fumbles werent cool
Dude had no biz out there after taking that crazy hit from Wheeler…..he looked tenative out there no wonder he got his bell rung!
Still he will be on the roster
August 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
If DA thought highly of Knapp as his OC, then his judging of talent is poor, id like to know what he saw in that man as a coach
He will be undrr duress this season once the offense implodes and the raider nation calls for his firing
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
ZBS is not the problem IMO. Knapp is the problem.
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Knapp wants ZBS…he loves that style….so yes ZBS is a problem
August 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Yeah…JT when Knapp was hired again I was pissed and what made me even more upset was how Reggie said he was a great OC
August 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
JT Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
If DA thought highly of Knapp as his OC, then his judging of talent is poor, id like to know what he saw in that man as a coach
He will be undrr duress this season once the offense implodes and the raider nation calls for his firing
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Check out my stats above. We’ve actually scored MORE points than we did last year at this point. Yards are a wash.
Why the Knapp hate?
August 18th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
ZBS is not the problem IMO. Knapp is the problem.
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Knapp wants ZBS…he loves that style….so yes ZBS is a problem
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A lot of teams use the ZBS and they don’t have the same problems as Knapp. Knapp is the problem B.
I hate Knapp.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Wow, a lot of whining willies out here.
We were winning that game until Dmac came out.
Our season boils down to his health. We have no answer to replace him if he goes down plus Carson needs Dmac so he doesn’t force the ball.
As long as Carson keeps his INT’s under 15, and Dmac plays at least 13 games, we have a shot.
You can tell the Defense will play better and the penalties will stay under control.
All this Knapp complaining is not relevant, Dmac needs to suit up for 80% of the games.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Criners needs more action. We need to use him more to know what he can do, and I’m not talking about a reverse with a guy who runs a 4.7 40. We have FBs that can run faster than him.
I hate Knapp.
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Criner just ran a slow 40…he is a little faster than that…marcel reece isnt a FB so youre wrong….tonga nor schmitt can outrun him
But yes Criner needs more action…..love that catch he made in the 3rd qtr….schit like that is what we need at WR
August 18th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Based on the results in the first two games vs. the first two preseason games last year, can someone please explain the Knapp hate?
August 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
ZBS is not the problem IMO. Knapp is the problem.
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Knapp wants ZBS…he loves that style….so yes ZBS is a problem
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
A lot of teams use the ZBS and they don’t have the same problems as Knapp. Knapp is the problem B.
I hate Knapp.
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Alot? Thats a damn lie that alot use it….more teams using power than anything else….thats a fact bruh
ZBS sucked in 2007-2009…guess who was coordinator for two of those years? KNAPP
ZBS is for pssies…why do you Pollack is trying to deny that it is soft? lol
August 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
To stretch the field we need Dmoore and DHB playing. Criner is a third down reliable WR, he doesn’t scare anyone.
Our O will be scary once we have all of our weapons healthy. That is the biggest concern.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
why do you Pollack is trying to deny that it is soft? lol
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He’s denying it was soft because he was specifically asked that question.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:08 am
303Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Wow, a lot of whining willies out here.
We were winning that game until Dmac came out.
Our season boils down to his health. We have no answer to replace him if he goes down plus Carson needs Dmac so he doesn’t force the ball.
As long as Carson keeps his INT’s under 15, and Dmac plays at least 13 games, we have a shot.
You can tell the Defense will play better and the penalties will stay under control.
All this Knapp complaining is not relevant, Dmac needs to suit up for 80% of the games.
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LMAO and 303 you still never get it…..yeah Knapp is sure irrelevant eventhough he is the one doing the gameplans and calling plays on sunday hahahahahahahahha right…..DMAC this and DMAC that…..you depending on one person? SAD
August 18th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I like the new era Raiders but having Al gone doesn’t feel right. Kinda like the first thanksgiving without gramps at the table.
What I saw:
A quick D that swarms to the ball.
Less penalties, the scab refs doin a good job not being anal, lettin the players play. That is good for the Raiders.
An offense that is going to be very good. All the players on O need to do their job, not just CP3. DHB needs to use his hands.
King can punt a ball. He needs a little coaching but the cat can kick it.
Dont want to bang on anyone, but we need a #2 punch at RB. Dont need to become predictable.
If the ZB cant get you into the end zonen scrap it.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:09 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
why do you Pollack is trying to deny that it is soft? lol
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He’s denying it was soft because he was specifically asked that question.
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Exactly Duck….why does he have to field a question about it being soft?
Think
August 18th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Knapp’s offense will be fine. Greg Knapp as an OC is as good as the players he has, nothing more. He won’t screw up good players, but neither will he elevate lousy ones.
Last time he was here, he had one of the worst QBs in NFL history and two green-behind-the-ears wideouts who couldn’t stay healthy.
Now he has a top-flight QB and good crop of (somewhat injury-prone) wideouts. Oh, and DMAC.
We’ll be fine.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
RaiderDuck, its pretty clear whats happenig under GK, we are dink an dunk, not scoring points, and being overwhelmed at the LOS, the cardinals were dominating our OL ZBS. Teams will do that in the season, stack 8 in the box caus we dink and dunk, run lateraly, etc
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Some of the more obvious trolls in here (like Blacksilverside and Al_is_thraiders) are amusing to read.
“OH MAH GAWD! WE’VE LOST TWO PRESEASON GAMES BY ONE SCORE EACH! FIRE EVERYBODY! CUT EVERYONE! BRING HUE BACK!”
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Keep your troll talk to yourself, genius.
I watched the first half of the Lions v. Ravens, and a good first half it was. Both teams put together cogent and productive scoring drives, while the respective defenses looked excellent, stopping potential big plays and big drives.
I also watched the 4th quarter with the 2nd and 3rd stringers playing, which was more exciting in terms of big plays and big stops than the first half.
Lions v. Ravens was a higher manifestation of the game than Raiders v. AZ. There was no chaos, or patent stupidity and gross under-performance on the part of the coaches and the players.
After 28 years of mediocre crappola, and AD’s demented final decade, you are inurred to the fact that the Raiders are really, really bad this year.
It’s funny that worshippers now talk about if DHB hadn’t dropped CP’s pass, and it didn’t clank off the hands of another Raider, CP would have never been picked off and the ball run back. That’s a big “if”: the pass was dropped, it did clank off another’s hands, and it was run back to AZ’s one yd line for which they eventually scored.
I would say go back to your pond RaiderDuck, and quack around a little, dunk under water for a tasty green and slimy morsel.
Remember one thing, I was a Raider fan before you were even born!
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
303Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
To stretch the field we need Dmoore and DHB playing. Criner is a third down reliable WR, he doesn’t scare anyone.
Our O will be scary once we have all of our weapons healthy. That is the biggest concern.
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Yeah DHB sure scares people with his SOFT hands lol
Criner doesnt scare anyone? Well its quite early but he sure found a way into the defense on a beautiful catch for about 25 yards…..look….people always scared of big WRs…that will never change
Our top 3 WRs need to be
Criner,Moore and Streater or Streater,Moore and Criner
DHB and Ford can fight for 4th WR
August 18th, 2012 at 9:13 am
JT Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
RaiderDuck, its pretty clear whats happenig under GK, we are dink an dunk, not scoring points, and being overwhelmed at the LOS, the cardinals were dominating our OL ZBS. Teams will do that in the season, stack 8 in the box caus we dink and dunk, run lateraly, etc
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If we’re being dominated, then why do we have the same amount of yards as last preseason and MORE points?
August 18th, 2012 at 9:14 am
We had one of the most explosive offenses in the league last year. It was our defense that sucked….Why in the world did Reggie decide to change our offense?
If we had last years offense, with the improvement in penalties and defense that we’ve seen SO FAR this year, I say we would have definitely at LEAST been going to the AFC Championship game this season…smh
August 18th, 2012 at 9:14 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Knapp’s offense will be fine. Greg Knapp as an OC is as good as the players he has, nothing more. He won’t screw up good players, but neither will he elevate lousy ones.
Last time he was here, he had one of the worst QBs in NFL history and two green-behind-the-ears wideouts who couldn’t stay healthy.
Now he has a top-flight QB and good crop of (somewhat injury-prone) wideouts. Oh, and DMAC.
We’ll be fine.
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HAHA…..smh…you just dont get it man….defending Knapp shows me you are lost on the tpoic….oh well….just ignore Knapp’s career if you will. Dont matter what fkin weapons you have…if you have a scheme no conducive to their skills it wont matter dude
August 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Remember one thing, I was a Raider fan before you were even born!
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Not bloody likely.
And nobody is “inured” to a bad season. 9-7 this year is quite realistic, despite what the Chicken Littles around here think. The offense looks to be the same as last year’s, and the defense looks worlds better.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:14 am
We had one of the most explosive offenses in the league last year. It was our defense that sucked….Why in the world did Reggie decide to change our offense?
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Explosive offense? We were what, 16th in the league in scoring? That’s mediocre, not “explosive.”
August 18th, 2012 at 9:17 am
JT Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
RaiderDuck, its pretty clear whats happenig under GK, we are dink an dunk, not scoring points, and being overwhelmed at the LOS, the cardinals were dominating our OL ZBS. Teams will do that in the season, stack 8 in the box caus we dink and dunk, run lateraly, etc
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Dont tell em nada bruh….let em stay lost and then theyll come crying on the blog
We have a dink and dunk OC with a pure pocket pass at QB…..that aint gonna work
Remember Drew Bledsoe under Pete Carroll running the WCO? Same size and skill set as Palmer basically…..you tell me whats going on
August 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Here we go, random stuff taken out from the notebook pad I use to write down stuff when watching games.
Overall:
- The mood on the sidelines wasn’t good, players and coaches looked worried, looked like they were expecting a better outing themselves.
- Offense gained 180 something yards in the 1st Half and dominated numbers-wise, just like last week, but we’ve gotten 6 points out of all of those numbers.
Concerning, but you have to start somewhere, we’re moving the ball in chunks, bad plays mixed in with big plays, obviously still a work in progress.
By the way, DHB got that TD taken away from him by Adrian Wilson, he put his arm around DHB’s just in time, not a drop but a great play by a Pro Bowl Safety.
- My main issue with using the ZBS is that it affects pass-blocking, when you have to drop back and make a throw on obvious passing downs you’re not going to send the OL in movement like you do in running plays, you need them to man-up and beat the guys in front.
That’s why this Offense often relies on deception, moving pockets and play-action on 1st and 2nd down passing plays, because it’s not quite as good when in obvious passing situations, now this was a quality pass-blocking unit last season and returns 4 of 5 starters, Coaches need to adjust some stuff over there.
By the way, AZ seemed to have the bootleg, rollout play-action game all figured out, there was a guy in the QB’s face seemingly every time we ran one of those.
- Carson Palmer, still not overly concerned about him, he played very well at the end of last season with the playoffs on the line, I’m staying with those performances over this 2 preseason games.
That being said, CP needs to put the Favre stuff away, just don’t throw it if it’s not there man.
Not sure he’s comfortable with the moving pockets either, despite what he and the staff have been saying, maybe Bucky Brooks was on to something after all.
- There were a couple of 3rd and long situations where we ran a draw and threw a very short pass, needles to say we didn’t even get close, gotta work on that too.
- AZ has 3 very tough DL in Dockett, Williams and Campbell, not surprised we strggle some vs those guys.
- Mike Goodson, looks like that kid has some mental issues to deal with, fumbling can be corrected but once it goes to your head, it’s much more difficult and you know every Defender is gonna be aiming for the ball whenever he has it.
- Streater, kid can play, he played vs 1st stringers this time and looked liked he belongs, might be the big possession receiver we’ve lacked for a while and he has not shown his 4.37 speed yet, that might be coming soon.
- Lonyae Miller is a tough kid, never loses yards, doesn’t go down on first contact and takes care of the ball even with 2 or 3 guys all over him, too bad he has no 2nd gear or moves, he’ll get what’s there but nothing else, still he won’t kill you, we could do worse.
- David Ausberry got in the game very early, remained into the 3rd quarter, made several nice blocks, not the bone-crushing type but fundamental, take your guy out of the play stuff, I was impressed.
- Kevin Kolb is damaged goods, zero confidence, can still make a throw when given time but as soon as he feels some pressure it’s over, may well be cut in a couple of weeks.
- On MNF Dallas OL stunk, last night Kolb mostly stunk, Defense still needs a decent test and boy it’s coming vs Detroit next week.
But the blitzes were nice, Wheeler and McClain can get to the QB and Kelly is playing like a beast inside, watching him split that double team for the Safety was nice, not that he hasn’t done it before, but he looks like a man on a mission.
- Did we make a mistake by letting Fassel’s kid go? it sure looks that way, Special Teams have been atrocious.
Bottom line: I saw some good stuff last night, it’s obvious we’re not where we want to be but we’re inching closer, I just hope we speed it up in time to start the season.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
RaiderDuck see
#99, exactly my thoughts
August 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Duck…..Armchair is quite correct….last year’s team had lot of explosive plays and if you deny that then it shows you have an agenda
August 18th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Bend over Rover and take it like a man. Pre season is cognizant of the real thing. Unless ReggieMac lays down some pimp hand, we’re in for some sore rump. This aint dry humpin, its the real deal.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:21 am
We are the dmacs…. please dont hurt our dmac
August 18th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Don’t like the Knapp offense or the Knapp play-calling. Often criticized for predictability, it was evident today and last week.
Draw plays on 3rd and long, and short crossing routes on 3rd and short that end up 1-2 shy of a first down.
Don’t like the excess of rollouts either. The backside LBs or blitzing Nickelbacks are aware of it, and more often result in the QB being a sitting duck, scrambling madly and trying to get off a pass that in regular season games will end up as picks, or 10 yard sacks.
DVD, Goodson, Ford…should be cuts or trade them for what you can get. DVD might get another season to develop as we’re thin at CB.
Palmer is definitely in decline. Too inconsistent like a rookie — that’s when a vet starts to decline. Passes sailing, forced into double-coverage, interspersed with nice passes. Leinart throws a better ball in their current ages. But unsure if Leinart can be a franchise QB still.
Pryor I’m still ok with. This is essentially a rookie season, first action in 20 months, first QB coach, and learning pocket-passing techniques as well as the playbook and getting thru the recent deaths of his father and mentor. Another year learning and acquiring experience on the field. I don’t think Reggie/Dennis are frustrated with him or anything.
The defense looks very good.
Streater-DHB will end up the starting WRs on opening night. Streater’s better hands and nous might even propel him ahead of DHB if DHB doesn’t continue to improve, he’s not as reliable as Streater (evident by the amount of times Palmer went his way instead).
Streater-Criner and Moore in the slot, could be a starting three some time this year.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
103. Method To My Madness
Thanks
August 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:14 am
HAHA…..smh…you just dont get it man….defending Knapp shows me you are lost on the tpoic….oh well….just ignore Knapp’s career if you will. Dont matter what fkin weapons you have…if you have a scheme no conducive to their skills it wont matter dude
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I have looked at his career. He’s had good offenses when he’s had good personnel, and bad offenses with bad personnel. We have good personnel, so his history suggests we will have good results.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:23 am
RaiderDuck Says:
We had one of the most explosive offenses in the league last year. It was our defense that sucked….Why in the world did Reggie decide to change our offense?
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Explosive offense? We were what, 16th in the league in scoring? That’s mediocre, not “explosive.”
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Yeah, while switching QB’s mid-season and with D-Mac out the last 9 games.
How do you think we’ll fair this year if D-Mac misses the same time?.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:24 am
By the way, DHB got that TD taken away from him by Adrian Wilson, he put his arm around DHB’s just in time, not a drop but a great play by a Pro Bowl Safety.
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You better turn yourself in for shooting the sheriff! This is very embarrassing to say….DHB went to catch it with his fkin body….and the times when he has to use hands he is very poor at it….he is a big guy that doesnt know how to shield off DBs
August 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am
#111Raiderduck
I like your optimism, but still, I aint buyin into this Knapp O.
Hue did a much better job
August 18th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Criner just ran a slow 40…he is a little faster than that…marcel reece isnt a FB so youre wrong….tonga nor schmitt can outrun him
But yes Criner needs more action…..love that catch he made in the 3rd qtr….schit like that is what we need at WR
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Reece is a FB, but he is not a traditional blocking FB.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:27 am
We are the fighting dmacs… stop playing him ….. idiot
August 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:17 am
We have a dink and dunk OC with a pure pocket pass at QB…..that aint gonna work
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Exactly! I was just thinking the same thing. KInapp trying to turn Palmer into Rich Gannon 2.0 is a classic example of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Palmer is a pure pocket passer….Trying to make him bootleg and throw on the run looks absolutely ridiculous to me. To me it is pretty obvious he is not completely comfortable in this system yet.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
- My main issue with using the ZBS is that it affects pass-blocking, when you have to drop back and make a throw on obvious passing downs you’re not going to send the OL in movement like you do in running plays, you need them to man-up and beat the guys in front.
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Now we agree Three Little Birds…..but main issue i have above all others is how weak it is in REDZONE…but yes in passing it requires beastmode and Knapp is like Cable…employs pssy schit
August 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
No excuses for DHB. He has to make that catch. You’re a starting WR for the NFL and a first round draft pick. Make that effin catch.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Method.
Wilson wrapped his right arm around him, can’t catch it like that, but yes he still catches with his body and if he had extended his arms to pluck it away Wilson would have been a tad late and it’s probably a TD.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:29 am
The general partnership known as the “Oakland Raiders” needs to expel the Davis’. There is just nothing left there for the founders; the well is dry.
You all have been brain-washed to believe that the “Oakland Raiders” was AD’s team and now is Mark Davis’ team.
Wrong.
The “Oakland Raiders” is a business entity, and is owned by its partners. It needs to be pulled up its bootstraps and returned to dynasty status. The other partners have the power to do it, but probably lack the will.
Hopefully, economic necessity will dictate the partnership divorce the Davis’ interest in the club.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:14 am
HAHA…..smh…you just dont get it man….defending Knapp shows me you are lost on the tpoic….oh well….just ignore Knapp’s career if you will. Dont matter what fkin weapons you have…if you have a scheme no conducive to their skills it wont matter dude
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I have looked at his career. He’s had good offenses when he’s had good personnel, and bad offenses with bad personnel. We have good personnel, so his history suggests we will have good results.
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No look at his career…old man Kell points it out well…it declines year by year and he stunk last time in oakland and seattle…the play calls are awful….why has he been let go so many fkin times? HE SUCKS man….stop making excuses for this 49er loser
August 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Alot? Thats a damn lie that alot use it….more teams using power than anything else….thats a fact bruh
ZBS sucked in 2007-2009…guess who was coordinator for two of those years? KNAPP
ZBS is for pssies…why do you Pollack is trying to deny that it is soft? lol
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I guess the word a lot confused you. I didn’t say most teams. I said a lot. More than a few.
That’s a fact. Just because you don’t understand/ recognize something it doesn’t make it a lie.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:32 am
if he had extended his arms to pluck it away Wilson would have been a tad late and it’s probably a TD.
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And that .5 sec is the reason AZ (vs Holmes/Steelers) and Bungles (vs Taylor/Niners) are still without a SB.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Method To My Madness,
I agree! DHB enjoyed being force-fed the ball last season; now in light of Moore, Streator, and Criner the chickens will come to roost on him.
He’s no baller when it comes down to it.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:32 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Explosive offense? We were what, 16th in the league in scoring? That’s mediocre, not “explosive.”
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Duck-
I’m not sure what games you were watching, but we had one of the most explosive overall offenses in the league last year. The problem was that once we got in the red zone, the play calling was not efficient. But the overall offense was definitely explosive.
So my point is that when you have an offense that is making big plays almost at will but had trouble in the red zone, you should simply ENHANCE what you already have, not scrap it altogether and go to a whole different scheme.
Especially when you have a QB who’s strength is to stand in the pocket and throw the ball down the field!
August 18th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Criner just ran a slow 40…he is a little faster than that…marcel reece isnt a FB so youre wrong….tonga nor schmitt can outrun him
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Who stated at FB? Reece!
You are wrong and now get over it. Btw, try to improve your communication skills.
You are wrong
That’s a lie
Really? Is that the only way you know how to debate or argue your point?
August 18th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Damned – just what I said when the hirings took place. Bad idea to put in this Offensive Coordinator – he has very little history on any successful passing game. Normally offenses middle-of-the-pack and we will regress on what we did last year with people thrown in off the couch.
Not the right personnel QB and WR-wise for the type of offense Knapp likes. So it’ll take a lot of adjustment and still won’t fire as smoothly as last year (when even with our starting RB, starting TE and top WRs injured we still were a top offense).
Campbell (though I didn’t really like him much in the offense we ran) would probably run this type of offense better. Leinart would run this offense better. Just that Knapp has his fixed ideas and tried to implement them rather than utilize all the personnel we have to the best of their potentials.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Criner just ran a slow 40…he is a little faster than that…marcel reece isnt a FB so youre wrong….tonga nor schmitt can outrun him
But yes Criner needs more action…..love that catch he made in the 3rd qtr….schit like that is what we need at WR
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Reece is a FB, but he is not a traditional blocking FB.
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Stop it…he is a utility player….he cant block at all…means he aint a FB….he was awful blocking last night…especially in redzone…tired of this schit man….DMAC can have more yards with a real FB blocking for him
August 18th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Problem with Knapp is he “sticks to his beliefs” no matter what rather than look at how to best utilize his pieces.
Defense will be MUCH better. Offense should have been even better with pieces all together rather than coming in mid-year off the couch, but offense will probably regress.
Unless approach changes, probably similar record to last year with defensive improvements being wiped out by offensive inabilities.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Too fragile
August 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Our biggest problem to me is backup running back.
I like Miller over Goodson or Jones.
Miller doesn’t fumble, and he looks durable.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
When the D balls, the O sucks (dallas)
When the O puts up points, the D blowa (arizona)
damn, we’re effed.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Bro, he is not a traditional blocking FB, but he is a FB. There are FBs like McClain who are not great blockers, but they run well, so does than mean he is not a FB?
Look at J Hester from SD, is he a good blocker?
August 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Raiderzmaverick….
That is my fear as well.
I really don’t like Knapp.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
DHB is NOT a starting receiver for any playoff team in this league….He is a 3rd or 4th option. After 3 seasons he is still trapping t5he ball against his body and dropping big passes….He just ain’t cut out for it.
And Hue Jackson had plenty of issues, but the smartest thing he did in my opinion was to ask D-MAC what plays best suited him, and then implement that.
What I see this year is Knapp trying to force players to fit his system, instead of devising an offense that fits the offensive weapons we have.
It’s still early, and it’s only pre-season, but that’s what I see so far…
August 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
C’mon B.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:39 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Problem with Knapp is he “sticks to his beliefs” no matter what rather than look at how to best utilize his pieces.
Defense will be MUCH better. Offense should have been even better with pieces all together rather than coming in mid-year off the couch, but offense will probably regress.
Unless approach changes, probably similar record to last year with defensive improvements being wiped out by offensive inabilities.
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I agree completely….2 steps forward, and 2 steps backward = No Progress.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:40 am
#136 – Exactly.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Criner just ran a slow 40…he is a little faster than that…marcel reece isnt a FB so youre wrong….tonga nor schmitt can outrun him
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Who stated at FB? Reece!
You are wrong and now get over it. Btw, try to improve your communication skills.
You are wrong
That’s a lie
Really? Is that the only way you know how to debate or argue your point?
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HAHA you gotta be kidding me man….Reece isnt a FB just by the pure fact he sucks at lead blocking….who was rated worse blocker in NFL? Thanks
And you said FBs….meaning plural! LOL
My communication skills are quite on par man
Yes you are wrong about Reece and you flat out lied saying our FBs(plural) can outrun Criner
I’ll debate however I choose buddy….your boy Reece is a utility player that should never lead block for a RB…its a joke
August 18th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Theres not as many kool aid boys circle jerking each other today…
August 18th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Some of ya’ll cry to much. This is a mans game. You think Reggie and Allen are goin home and cryin about the losses? No f*ng way. They’re just tryin to wake up and figure it out. Quit cryin, its just preseason. Reggie and Allen will get the brightest coaches and players in here someday.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Raider O…..i bet only a few teams use ZBS as their staple of a blocking scheme….alot means well alot…at best ten teams using the pssy ZBS
August 18th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Schmitt has not impressed
August 18th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:29 am
The general partnership known as the “Oakland Raiders” needs to expel the Davis’. There is just nothing left there for the founders; the well is dry.
You all have been brain-washed to believe that the “Oakland Raiders” was AD’s team and now is Mark Davis’ team.
Wrong.
The “Oakland Raiders” is a business entity, and is owned by its partners. It needs to be pulled up its bootstraps and returned to dynasty status. The other partners have the power to do it, but probably lack the will.
Hopefully, economic necessity will dictate the partnership divorce the Davis’ interest in the club.
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I think we know what name Al D. Davis/Hardline posts under, as he was the only one who ever mentioned partnership interests.
And he’s wrong. There are two kinds of partnership shares in the Oakland Raiders: General Partnership shares and Limited Partnership shares. Al owned ALL of the General Partnership shares, which are the only ones with any say in how the team is run. The limited partners have it specified in their agreements that they have no say in team operations whatsoever.
The last people to challenge this were Ed McGah’s descendants in the mid-2000s, and the court pretty much told them to buzz off. Al had excellent lawyers, and the agreements are more or less iron-clad.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
C’mon B.
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We will just have to diagree on reece as i have with many on here…but we agree no matter who starts at what position on offense….KNAPP doesnt put them in best position with his current philosophy
August 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
140. Yay! Someday! Thanks.. wow losing feels great now. Thanx!
August 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Why Raiders will stick with ZBS?
Stupid is as stupid does: G.Knapp will institute the ZBS no matter the cost in wins.
We must question Reggie’s and Allen’s competence and intelligence in allowing an OC with a losing record, who has been fired time and again, to intractably establish a system that probably doesn’t work and is mal-suited for our players on O.
Many have said the “personal” reason the elder Wiz departed is that he couldn’t live with the ZBS.
In the end it’s not so much the core players, but staff and management that is incompetent.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Schmitt ran a 4.62 and 4.72.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Schmitt has not impressed
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Ha and Reece has?
Have Schmitt block for Dmac and not slow ass Miller and you will see what I’m talking about!
Schmitt blocked for Lesean Mccoy in Philly the last two seasons..why do you think the Eagles run game drastically improved? Come on I know you dont watch football alot but research some more Bucky
August 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Sorry.. i meant to mock 142…
August 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Schmitt ran a 4.62 and 4.72.
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Ha you really think Schmitt can outrun Criner? Come on O! You smarter than that
So Schmitt will be able to run with Marques Colston of the Saints? He didnt have a fast 40 time
Put Schmitt and Criner in a foot race and Criner destroys him
August 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I did say FBs…… lol
August 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Darth Vader for Head Coach
Hans Solo OC
R2D2 for DC (implement the R2D2 defense package)
Princess Leah can have Amys job
Luke Skywalker for GM
CP30 WR coach
53 man roster consists of imperial storm troopers
Obi Wan O-line coach
Yoda can be the QB coach
Lando Calrizion D-line coach
Its our only hope.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:50 am
No dude. I just posted his 40 time for fun.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Bro, he is not a traditional blocking FB, but he is a FB. There are FBs like McClain who are not great blockers, but they run well, so does than mean he is not a FB?
Look at J Hester from SD, is he a good blocker?
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Hester sucks and as u know Charger fans dont like him
McClain is just an oversized HB
Reece is putrid at blocking I mean the worse ever bruh…..review the game last night watch how he is afraid to stick his head into a LB or S
August 18th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Also, Hue was fired twice as offensive coordinator and Saunders probably half a dozen times before they ever got here. Assistants get fired all the time in the NFL. Doesn’t mean they’re bad assistants necessarily.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:53 am
150. Wtf are you talking about? He doesnt need dmac to hit ppl… knock a guy down.. he. has looked just as soft as reece so far.. i dont care about philly they have mike vick ..
August 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
All I’m saying is that Knapp’s been a good OC before when he’s had good personnel, which he has here.
People begging for him to be fired in the preseason is just ridiculous. If the offense blows this year then yes, we make a change after the season. But I don’t think it will.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Al Saunder for OC. Maybe he can punch it in at the 1. Twice we knock at the door and cant get in. WTF
August 18th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Wouldn’t surprise to see Allen assume Knapp’s play-calling duties mid-year.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:56 am
B,
I don’t disagree that Reece is not a good blocker. We agree on that.
He is still a FB/ HB, but he is not a traditional blocking FB.
The game keeps evolving and some teams don’t have a traditional blocking FB on the roster.
Manning didn’t have a traditional FB in Indy, Pats, GB, etc…
August 18th, 2012 at 9:56 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
DHB is NOT a starting receiver for any playoff team in this league….He is a 3rd or 4th option. After 3 seasons he is still trapping t5he ball against his body and dropping big passes….He just ain’t cut out for it.
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DHB or Ford need to be the 4th WR….I’m just sick of this man…Ford is itty bitty and gets hurt easily…DHB just doesnt have what it takes to be a quality starter…he works hard and improved but he will never be a 80 catch 1200 yd 8 TD guy…..some dude at the Applebee’s in Dublin said…”I dont care how he catches it as long as he catches it”
See there is something sinister in this comment. What happens when you have to use your hands to catch ball when the body catch isnt available? Dont you know its much easier to get YAC if you catch it with your hands? DHB should know this…remember the Texans game last year?
Criiner or Streater= no 1 or slot WR and then Moore is your 2…..sadly this wont happen….DHB,Moore and Ford will be your top 3 and we shall suffer
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Rember chris johnson tearing shlt up? It wasnt his fb… it was because of vy. More confusion= more room to run.. schmitt can play in short yardage.. maybe
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Also, Hue was fired twice as offensive coordinator and Saunders probably half a dozen times before they ever got here. Assistants get fired all the time in the NFL. Doesn’t mean they’re bad assistants necessarily.
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And Knapp’s best success was in SF where the players hated him…so what does that tell ya?
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Any news on M.Leinart?
Noticed a few in here last night saying his style is more suited to this O than CP’s.I’d say that the 350lb
gorilla DT that was collapsing the middle of our line without Wiz II in there had a helluva more to do with it.
Leinart had more time.
Yeah not our best day but give credit where it’s due their 1st D looks damn good to me.Might give the idiots across the bridge here a little problem or two.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
3 – Nil Beyotches. Baggie Nation!
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-3-liverpool-0-match-report-319676.aspx
August 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I have seen nothing, nothing to suggest that the Raiders should continue to give Pryor plays at Qb. Nothing. Tebow in his first year looked like a Pro Bowler compared to Pryor because at least Tebow could run and make people miss.
There was a play where Pryor dropped back, decided to run and headed to his right for the first down marker only a couple of yards away, yet came up short. He doesn’t look fast at all to me.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
And Knapp’s best success was in SF where the players hated him…so what does that tell ya?
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Where is your evidence for that, and what would it matter if they did?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
All I’m saying is that Knapp’s been a good OC before when he’s had good personnel, which he has here.
People begging for him to be fired in the preseason is just ridiculous. If the offense blows this year then yes, we make a change after the season. But I don’t think it will.
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Knapp has good personnel and has failed with it. All he’s shown is he wants his style regardless of who he has. A good coach builds with who he has, not a my way or the hiway philosophy. Al Saunders is better. What are we waiting for. I would rather see Cable or HueJax as the OC than knapp, and Cable wasn’t a play caller. Thats how bad knapp is. 0 points against dallas, and cant get it in twice at the goal line. Thats all I need to see.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Rember chris johnson tearing shlt up? It wasnt his fb… it was because of vy. More confusion= more room to run.. schmitt can play in short yardage.. maybe
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Oh you mean Chris Johnson who has declined a little bit since his 2000 yard campaign?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Traditional blocking FBs are an endangered species.
FBs have to be able to run or catch in today’s NFL.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
GG Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Wouldn’t surprise to see Allen assume Knapp’s play-calling duties mid-year.
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DA wouldn’t do it unless the entire situation got intolerable. Saunders would be more likely. But I seriously don’t think it will come to that.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I don’t see Taiwan Jones as anyone other than a change of pace back who might run specialty plays and face it, we don’t have room on the roster for such a player.
Jones has a history of hamstring problems. They are not going to suddenly go away.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
And CJ2k had a FB blocking for him lol…thats the point
August 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I have a feeling Al Saunders will be getting more involved.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
The Tom Cable Hangover Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Knapp has good personnel and has failed with it.
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When has he failed as OC and had good offensive personnel?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
#168…
That play you mention was the fault of the FB. It was a designed run, the FB was supposed to seal the edge but didn’t.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
But now there is a chink in the iron-clad armor: AD has passed. Now the club is in a state of flux with a weakness in its structure that might be exploited.
In any business entity with multiple investors, whether corporation, general partnership, limited partnership, LLC, etc., a majority interest holder, cannot under the law, oppress the minority.
In other words, the majority interest holder’s actions must benefit the minority in like proportions to himself.
Just what have the Davis’ done the past 10 yrs except run the club into the ground?
What effect did the Davis’ acts have? Basically, those acts took a top earning club and placed it 31st in the NFL in terms of value and income capacity.
It’s oppression of the minority. Probably the solution lies in several more failing seasons after which the club will face insolvency and be purchased by an investor group.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
And Knapp’s best success was in SF where the players hated him…so what does that tell ya?
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Where is your evidence for that, and what would it matter if they did?
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Do you live in the Bay Area? See I do! I remember it well how players didnt like his offense and how he was predictable
August 18th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:56 am
B,
I don’t disagree that Reece is not a good blocker. We agree on that.
He is still a FB/ HB, but he is not a traditional blocking FB.
The game keeps evolving and some teams don’t have a traditional blocking FB on the roster.
Manning didn’t have a traditional FB in Indy, Pats, GB, etc…
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Manning didnt have one ill give you that
Pats had one the years they won the title lol
GB had a traditional FB but they do pass it alot….you think we gonna pass it like them? lmao
August 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Don’t blame knapp, Palmer is the reason we look like hot trash on offense. He has been pathetic as a raider qb hopelessly floundering & throwing pick after pick.
If anyone points this out here they are instantly attacked
August 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
The Tom Cable Hangover Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Knapp has good personnel and has failed with it.
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When has he failed as OC and had good offensive personnel?
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vs dallas, 0 points
az, two red zones.
If his style is more suited for Lienart, we’re screwed.
Carson was a mad bomber last year, build on that. He is not a dink and dunker.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
#178…
Or, it was supposed to be a pass to the FB in the flat, but he didn’t release, and Pryor had to ad lib.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Probably the solution lies in several more failing seasons after which the club will face insolvency and be purchased by an investor group.
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You’ll get your wish in a few years, probably. When Carol Davis passes, Mark’s going to be stuck with probably $150 million or more in estate taxes. Since he probably doesn’t have that kind of scratch, he may sell out at that point, possibly retaining “Chairman Emeritus” or something and nice suite at Farmer’s Field or Los Angeles Stadium. I mention those two places because Ed Roski and AEG would be the two most likely buyers, and they ain’t buying the team to keep it in Oakland.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
171. Exactly.. still has the fb.. but no vy…. wheres all those yrds now? Schmitt is getting credit for the yds mike vick creates for phillys runners.. schmitt has blown up nobody… in preseason or practice.. thats why he’ our #2..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Duck it definitely matters when we talking about a certain guy’s track record at OC……Knapp sucks man
Dink and Dunk offenses are way out of style….come on…aint no one falling for that schit…why you think Gruden aint coming back?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer was off target, forcing passes & was lucky not to have 3 picks in the first half ( first pass of the game nearly picked, then throwing the ball up for grabs while falling backwards to streamer with 2 defenders right there). This dude is a complete joke right now
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Violent Hands Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Gonna be painful to watch ZBS it only seems to be effective if mixed with some power plays…Hue is a con-artist but his offence was productive and exciting and kept us in games….ZBS says one cut and go,but that dosent happen alot usually the rb is neutral and u get a free shot ,alot of rb and qb get hurt in ZBS scheme
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Tom Flores commented that the LB’s were reading the ZBS and shooting the gaps ASAP and getting penetration….the WCO is dependent on moving one way, then setting up throws and screen the opposite way away from the flow of the defense…Palmer at 6-5, 235 doesn’t appear agile enough to turn quickly…he tends to plant or if he is on the move throw lollipops if the defense bears down – he got away with one as Streater made a great catch
he threw one behind Streater and he had to adjust and couldnt get upfield.
this is a work-in-progress. Palmer ran a variation of it at Cincy, but at that time T.O., and Chad were there and T.O. is a run-after-the-catch type.
they will need to involve Reece and McFadden A LOT more for this to be effective.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
171. Exactly.. still has the fb.. but no vy…. wheres all those yrds now? Schmitt is getting credit for the yds mike vick creates for phillys runners.. schmitt has blown up nobody… in preseason or practice.. thats why he’ our #2..
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The yards vick creates for runners? LMAO….gosh Bucky…everyday you amaze me with your lack of football knowledge hahahahahahahahahaha
August 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
ZBS on goal line situations is a joke. It takes way too long to develop. Needs to be smash mouth north and south. That half a second waiting for a lane to appear won’t work.
We have a bruiser with Schmitt, put him in there and lead the way.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
The Tom Cable Hangover Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
vs dallas, 0 points
az, two red zones.
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In those two game combined, we scored more points than in the first two preseason games last year.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:10 am
RaiderSam Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Violent Hands Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Gonna be painful to watch ZBS it only seems to be effective if mixed with some power plays…Hue is a con-artist but his offence was productive and exciting and kept us in games….ZBS says one cut and go,but that dosent happen alot usually the rb is neutral and u get a free shot ,alot of rb and qb get hurt in ZBS scheme
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Tom Flores commented that the LB’s were reading the ZBS and shooting the gaps ASAP and getting penetration….the WCO is dependent on moving one way, then setting up throws and screen the opposite way away from the flow of the defense…Palmer at 6-5, 235 doesn’t appear agile enough to turn quickly…he tends to plant or if he is on the move throw lollipops if the defense bears down – he got away with one as Streater made a great catch
he threw one behind Streater and he had to adjust and couldnt get upfield.
this is a work-in-progress. Palmer ran a variation of it at Cincy, but at that time T.O., and Chad were there and T.O. is a run-after-the-catch type.
they will need to involve Reece and McFadden A LOT more for this to be effective.
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We’re dinking we’re dunking we’re really doing something
August 18th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Pryor should move to te or the practice squad..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Morilla Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
ZBS on goal line situations is a joke. It takes way too long to develop. Needs to be smash mouth north and south. That half a second waiting for a lane to appear won’t work.
We have a bruiser with Schmitt, put him in there and lead the way.
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No Reece causes so many matchup nightmares for defenses…you know a lead blocker is outdated…you dont need a lead blocker for DMAC inside the 5 according to bloggers
August 18th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer was off target, forcing passes & was lucky not to have 3 picks in the first half ( first pass of the game nearly picked, then throwing the ball up for grabs while falling backwards to streamer with 2 defenders right there). This dude is a complete joke right now
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When regular season begins, Palmer will be ballin and shot callin. Bank it. Word..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Riiiight… vy didnt create aby room by freezin de’s… vick, young, cunninham… all there runners had career yrs playing behind them by accident.. silly old meth..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer was off target, forcing passes & was lucky not to have 3 picks in the first half ( first pass of the game nearly picked, then throwing the ball up for grabs while falling backwards to streamer with 2 defenders right there). This dude is a complete joke right now
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Sup wit it bruh? Long time
No one was as rough on CP than you and I…but I’m not gonna just bash him….why is his big ass in the WCO? He doesnt fit this scheme so its only natural to see this BS happen mayne
I guarantee you if Saunders was the OC and had basically the same offense from last year put in place Palmer looks way better….elite? NEVER that but much better than this stuff we see
Knapp’s 49er ass gotta go…it seems to me the only success he has has was with 5′11 QBs lol
August 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
If schmitt blocked like lo.neal id be on board… but he doesnt
August 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Wow talk about over – reacting you guys want to freaking call for OC’s head based on 2 Pre-season games when the system is new, yeah for everybody ,we can already assume we will not b good O because we didn’t punch it in on the goal line situation lmao
August 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Riiiight… vy didnt create aby room by freezin de’s… vick, young, cunninham… all there runners had career yrs playing behind them by accident.. silly old meth..
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Handing off the ball? HAHAHAHA…teamsmore scared of CJ2k than anyone on the fkin roster so what are you saying mayne?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Probably the solution lies in several more failing seasons after which the club will face insolvency and be purchased by an investor group.
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You’ll get your wish in a few years, probably. When Carol Davis passes, Mark’s going to be stuck with probably $150 million or more in estate taxes. Since he probably doesn’t have that kind of scratch, he may sell out at that point, possibly retaining “Chairman Emeritus” or something and nice suite at Farmer’s Field or Los Angeles Stadium. I mention those two places because Ed Roski and AEG would be the two most likely buyers, and they ain’t buying the team to keep it in Oakland.
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Seeing a team lose so often tends to warp your sense of reality. The Chargers are going to L.A., first off – you already saw the struggled to sell out in Pre-season. The writing is on the wall. Now if L.A. gets a 2nd team, and St. Louis would be the obvious choice, thats another possibiity.
That ship has passed. Its time for Davis to right it, and continue his destiny as the Raiders Owner.
Although Palmer (USC), Leinart (USC) and a struggling season leading to Barkley as the pick tends to tilt the scale to L.A.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Knock a guy down schmitt.. create a hole and then ill care… he has blocked just like reece so far..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Offensive scheme really doesn’t matter although I have my preference. There are many ways to get it done. However you need a competent qb for it to fly, right now we are without a quity qb. Never thought I would say this but maybe lie art should be our starter stop gap this year. He is severely out playing palmer
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
If schmitt blocked like lo.neal id be on board… but he doesnt
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When did Schmitt block for DMAC? Exactly
Reece is awful….the worst blocker in the NFL by far…but youre blinded because he can catch…shut the fk up Bucky
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
The Contra Costa Times believes undrafted rookie WR Rod Streater “made a strong case” for star of the game honors in Friday’s loss to the Cardinals.
One week after catching six passes for 66 yards in Oakland’s preseason opener, Streater reeled in seven balls for 43 yards. All seven grabs came with Carson Palmer still in the game. With Denarius Moore banged up and Jacoby Ford dealing with a potentially serious foot injury, Streater is someone to keep in mind in the final rounds of deeper PPR leagues.
Source: Contra Costa Times Aug 18 – 12:16 PM
August 18th, 2012 at 10:17 am
LuvMarvHub…not really a good comparison IMO.
Tebow was a 1st rounder.Pryor a third.Tebow looked like me when dropping back to throw….but looked like OJ when he took off and ran.Pryor was basically an option QB in the shotgun at OSU and is acknowledged as a project
from the getgo.They are basically nailing his feet to the ground and saying ‘throw the rock’.
Kid is young 6′4″,235lbs and ran a 4.4 in the 40 with pads….Mitchel said ‘if you ain’t got him in the first ten yards’ then you’d better get on you bike or words to that effect.This time next year will be a time for Pryor’s evaluation IMO.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I’ll give TP one more year to improve, if he doesn’t, move him to WR.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Nevermind meth.. You don’t understand misdirection and I don’t feel like teaching you… sad.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer was off target, forcing passes & was lucky not to have 3 picks in the first half ( first pass of the game nearly picked, then throwing the ball up for grabs while falling backwards to streamer with 2 defenders right there). This dude is a complete joke right now
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Sup wit it bruh? Long time
No one was as rough on CP than you and I…but I’m not gonna just bash him….why is his big ass in the WCO? He doesnt fit this scheme so its only natural to see this BS happen mayne
I guarantee you if Saunders was the OC and had basically the same offense from last year put in place Palmer looks way better….elite? NEVER that but much better than this stuff we see
Knapp’s 49er ass gotta go…it seems to me the only success he has has was with 5′11 QBs lol
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Wow did u really expect Carson Palmer in mid-season form after 2 Pre-season games smh
August 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Knock a guy down schmitt.. create a hole and then ill care… he has blocked just like reece so far..
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False all you gotta do is look at game and see he plunges into the defender….reece does his best to shy away….im wondering if its best for this team if Reece sprains his ankle so you can see exactly what I’m talking about
August 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Nevermind meth.. You don’t understand misdirection and I don’t feel like teaching you… sad.
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Yep misdirection instead of being direct…..for some reason Im not surprised you would defend that Bucky
August 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Morilla Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
ZBS on goal line situations is a joke. It takes way too long to develop. Needs to be smash mouth north and south. That half a second waiting for a lane to appear won’t work.
We have a bruiser with Schmitt, put him in there and lead the way.
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If you recall Houston was quite close in the red zone for the last play and a dropped screen by the FB who was uncovered led to the next pass play and pick by M.Huff – you could be on to something. I think Palmer wants to take shots for the big play – this is what the scoring is predicated on…not necessarily smash mouth north south runs….even when Hue was coach.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Meth,
You are right Palmer is not a good fit for knapps offense. Did they have a shouting match on the sideline, after one of the fruitless drives? Palmer is a diva & knapp is a vegetable
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Morilla Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
ZBS on goal line situations is a joke. It takes way too long to develop. Needs to be smash mouth north and south. That half a second waiting for a lane to appear won’t work.
We have a bruiser with Schmitt, put him in there and lead the way.
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No Reece causes so many matchup nightmares for defenses…you know a lead blocker is outdated…you dont need a lead blocker for DMAC inside the 5 according to bloggers
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t like having 2 FBs on the roster, so why not use Gordon.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Block for dmac? You block a man… hasnt impressed.. im not talking about yds… im talking about the block he put on lbs… soft
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer was off target, forcing passes & was lucky not to have 3 picks in the first half ( first pass of the game nearly picked, then throwing the ball up for grabs while falling backwards to streamer with 2 defenders right there). This dude is a complete joke right now
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Sup wit it bruh? Long time
No one was as rough on CP than you and I…but I’m not gonna just bash him….why is his big ass in the WCO? He doesnt fit this scheme so its only natural to see this BS happen mayne
I guarantee you if Saunders was the OC and had basically the same offense from last year put in place Palmer looks way better….elite? NEVER that but much better than this stuff we see
Knapp’s 49er ass gotta go…it seems to me the only success he has has was with 5′11 QBs lol
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Wow did u really expect Carson Palmer in mid-season form after 2 Pre-season games smh
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He looks severely uncomfortable…look here man…the season starts soon….real damn soon…and Palmer has til next saturday and then its lights camera action on Sept 10th
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Wow talk about over – reacting you guys want to freaking call for OC’s head based on 2 Pre-season games when the system is new, yeah for everybody ,we can already assume we will not b good O because we didn’t punch it in on the goal line situation lmao
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THIS. The panic people fall prey to never ceases to amaze me.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am
The Raiders should stay in Oakland but must become one money making machine that will generate wads of cash before that happens. It seems like that won’t come any time soon.
I personally am not asking for a miracle, just competent play with gradual improvement.
Earlier in the year I defended the choices of Mark Davis and his staff, while others warned of the dangers of bringing back Knapp, retaining CP, etc.
I had my doubts about CP, and mostly said what we got last season is what we’ll get this season. However, it seems like CP is regressing, throwing bone-headed INT’s, while scoring no TD’s. The Raiders’ offense has backslid and is now is total disarray.
If I hadn’t watched other preseason games played by other teams, I would chalk the Raiders’ preseason failures to loss of continuity and a case of the jitters.
Now, I just don’t know what to say.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am
They had red zone issues last year. That needs to be ironed out quick.
I’m not going to judge this squad until week 4. Defense is looking solid, flying around like I’ve never seen before. I think the O is still trying to define it’s identity. The play calling does leave me scratching my head but maybe they aren’t even digging into the book just yet.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Meth,
You are right Palmer is not a good fit for knapps offense. Did they have a shouting match on the sideline, after one of the fruitless drives? Palmer is a diva & knapp is a vegetable
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Didnt some receivers drop or fail to catch passes that could’ve been scores early? That led to FG’s instead. A go-to Red Zone type Receiver is missing.
I think Reg and co. will wait this season out and get to the draft…dont foresee Plax or a vet coming in at this point. Looks like they will regret not signing Bush.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Morilla Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
ZBS on goal line situations is a joke. It takes way too long to develop. Needs to be smash mouth north and south. That half a second waiting for a lane to appear won’t work.
We have a bruiser with Schmitt, put him in there and lead the way.
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No Reece causes so many matchup nightmares for defenses…you know a lead blocker is outdated…you dont need a lead blocker for DMAC inside the 5 according to bloggers
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I don’t like having 2 FBs on the roster, so why not use Gordon.
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Gordon isnt a FB….different world from blocking on the line than lining up in backfield for sure
August 18th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Offensive scheme really doesn’t matter although I have my preference. There are many ways to get it done. However you need a competent qb for it to fly, right now we are without a quity qb. Never thought I would say this but maybe lie art should be our starter stop gap this year. He is severely out playing palmer
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Hey there you are again, yes lienart has looked better and lienart is learning new O too oo wait he has been in this O for two years ..oo wait familiarty doesn’t matter right lol he’s not outplaying him because he’s familiar with the O has to be the skills according to u lol , lemme how you put your idiotic spin on this one lmao
August 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Block for dmac? You block a man… hasnt impressed.. im not talking about yds… im talking about the block he put on lbs… soft
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DMAC will be main ball carrier..and we are a supposedly run oriented offense…Reece has shown in the NFL he sucks a blocking….Schmitt on other hand shown he can block
What are you missing on this?
The more you have Reece lead block to more yards you leaving on the field that coulda been gained
August 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Gordon isnt a FB….different world from blocking on the line than lining up in backfield for sure
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You are wrong!
That’s a lie!
lol
He played FB when Reece was injured last season.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Palmer was off target, forcing passes & was lucky not to have 3 picks in the first half ( first pass of the game nearly picked, then throwing the ball up for grabs while falling backwards to streamer with 2 defenders right there). This dude is a complete joke right now
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Sup wit it bruh? Long time
No one was as rough on CP than you and I…but I’m not gonna just bash him….why is his big ass in the WCO? He doesnt fit this scheme so its only natural to see this BS happen mayne
I guarantee you if Saunders was the OC and had basically the same offense from last year put in place Palmer looks way better….elite? NEVER that but much better than this stuff we see
Knapp’s 49er ass gotta go…it seems to me the only success he has has was with 5′11 QBs lol
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Wow did u really expect Carson Palmer in mid-season form after 2 Pre-season games smh
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He looks severely uncomfortable…look here man…the season starts soon….real damn soon…and Palmer has til next saturday and then its lights camera action on Sept 10th
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Yes he does look uncomfortable out there but maybe he doesn’t know all the plays just yet, you know ,they don’t game plan for the opponent or anything yet until it’s for reals ..doesn’t help when the o.co is just calling plays based on a lucky number or sumthing
August 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Meth,
You are right Palmer is not a good fit for knapps offense. Did they have a shouting match on the sideline, after one of the fruitless drives? Palmer is a diva & knapp is a vegetable
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But I still am on Palmer’s side in this…he is yelling at Knapp in August? Well schit what will happen in October or November in KC?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Why Raiders will stick with the cut blocking scheme?
Because its cheaper? Reg knows what he will get from the CBS, cheaper linemen desperate for work= more money to spend at other positions.
He is looking at the long term viability of a team with the oldest stadium and a fan base that will not support a loser like the Browns
August 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Gordon isnt a FB….different world from blocking on the line than lining up in backfield for sure
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You are wrong!
That’s a lie!
lol
He played FB when Reece was injured last season.
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you mean the Pats game and then guess what was Al Davis last move before dying?
Activating Tonga!….why was that? Exactly bruh….take that pork off your fork lol
August 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Palmer is what he is, whatever hype he has ran with for all these years wears thinner as time moves on and keeps piling on mistakes with ints on ints. He’s the loser with the golden arm, he is not Favre he is more like Jeff “Boy” George.
You would expect that someone who hypes himself up so much would realize that his BS is on the line, but unfortunately for Raider fans, we’re stuck with Palmer and will doom this team just like he did the bungels, who are looking like monsters without him, that is not a coincidence folks.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
LMAO
I’m going to use that one.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im not mad at Palmer at all…the INT was a WTF moment but thats what he does….he turns it over because he forces schit…thats who he is….but a job of a OC is to put him in the best position to win..Knapp needs to wake the hell up
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Freaking Raiders….. but hey, the way I see it, at least we scored points. lol…
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Anyways you guys can complain all you want, It just looks stupid coming to conclusions after 2 Pre seasons games after pretty much blowing up the team and bringing in a new staff , hope you guys are here to eat crow when they get to good start right out of the gate
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Zopi Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Palmer is what he is, whatever hype he has ran with for all these years wears thinner as time moves on and keeps piling on mistakes with ints on ints. He’s the loser with the golden arm, he is not Favre he is more like Jeff “Boy” George.
You would expect that someone who hypes himself up so much would realize that his BS is on the line, but unfortunately for Raider fans, we’re stuck with Palmer and will doom this team just like he did the bungels, who are looking like monsters without him, that is not a coincidence folks.
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Ouch…hard to argue that
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Don’t blame knapp, Palmer is the reason we look like hot trash on offense. He has been pathetic as a raider qb hopelessly floundering & throwing pick after pick.
If anyone points this out here they are instantly attacked
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Mistic-
Since you campaigned so hard for him last season, how’s Jason Campbell doin out there in Chicago. He got that starting QB job yet? I mean he should since he was so much better than Carson Palmer right?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Papa….Tom what do you think of Schmitt?
Flores…I like him…hes got the right kind of body for a FB….you know…square.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I am missing it meth…. i have watched every play and have yet to see schmitt blow ppl up. Clear a hole… anything more than standing a guy up.. just like reece… again.. if he was as good as you say id be on board.. but he is average..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Btw,
Did we activate Tonga because Gordon didn’t play well, or because Gordon got injured? I can’t remember.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im not mad at Palmer at all…the INT was a WTF moment but thats what he does….he turns it over because he forces schit…thats who he is….but a job of a OC is to put him in the best position to win..Knapp needs to wake the hell up
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Atleast you’re not bad as mistic is .looking to magnify every mistake he makes and hoping he fails to prove him self right lol
August 18th, 2012 at 10:32 am
LATEST NEWS
RECENT NEWS
Raiders backup FB/TE Richard Gordon suffered a broken hand against the Patriots in Week 4.
Gordon played through the injury with Marcel Reece out last week, but he’s not practicing this week. Reece remains sidelined as well, so the Raiders are reviewing their options. Michael Bush could move to a lead-blocking role, or Manase Tonga could be activated from the practice squad. Thu, Oct 6, 2011 02:34:00 PM
Source: Contra Costa Times
August 18th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Anyways you guys can complain all you want, It just looks stupid coming to conclusions after 2 Pre seasons games after pretty much blowing up the team and bringing in a new staff , hope you guys are here to eat crow when they get to good start right out of the gate
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Yeah whatever man…..people pointing out things that are wrong on this roster and staff right now…thats quite a fair thing to do
What dont you get about scheme and having the players that fit it?
Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out Palmer isnt a WCO qb?
At USC they had a WCO installed earlier in his career when he was more athletic and he still stunk in it
August 18th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The guy throws an INT every game. He threw 2 INTs in 3 quarters so far.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:33 am
41.chuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Hue had some shortcomings as a head coach but the offense was on point,we never had a problem getting one yard.
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You obviously did not see the KC game last year in Oak. I was there. 2nd quarter down 14-0. We had 1st and goal at the 1. Bush had 3 cracks at it. We also went for it on 4th down. Final score 28-0.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:32 am
LATEST NEWS
RECENT NEWS
Raiders backup FB/TE Richard Gordon suffered a broken hand against the Patriots in Week 4.
Gordon played through the injury with Marcel Reece out last week, but he’s not practicing this week. Reece remains sidelined as well, so the Raiders are reviewing their options. Michael Bush could move to a lead-blocking role, or Manase Tonga could be activated from the practice squad. Thu, Oct 6, 2011 02:34:00 PM
Source: Contra Costa Times
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OK and when Gordon came back…..was he at FB again?
Guy is a blocking TE for sure
Our most dominant run game last season was vs SD and who was lead blocking that game? Mike Mayock even commented on it
August 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
You what frustrates me about Knapp…continually calling the naked bootleg when the run has yet to be established. So far nobody is buying it and trying to get Palmer to shake the DE/LB is prob not a good idea.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Twinkle Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Papa….Tom what do you think of Schmitt?
Flores…I like him…hes got the right kind of body for a FB….you know…square.
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Interesting
August 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Don’t blame knapp, Palmer is the reason we look like hot trash on offense. He has been pathetic as a raider qb hopelessly floundering & throwing pick after pick.
If anyone points this out here they are instantly attacked
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Mistic-
Since you campaigned so hard for him last season, how’s Jason Campbell doin out there in Chicago. He got that starting QB job yet? I mean he should since he was so much better than Carson Palmer right?
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This idiotic “where is JC now” sht is so tired! Who the fck cares that he’s the backup in Chicago? The guy was damn good for us here and helped win games. It got to the point when we played a divisional opponent, I never even considered that we might lose. Just because he’s out and CP is in doesn’t make Palmer better than him. CP has big shoes to fill.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I am missing it meth…. i have watched every play and have yet to see schmitt blow ppl up. Clear a hole… anything more than standing a guy up.. just like reece… again.. if he was as good as you say id be on board.. but he is average..
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Last time I checked average was better than poor!
August 18th, 2012 at 10:37 am
So average
August 18th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Post 244 – Sad but trued. It’s kind of strange how people forget the past. We were lousy in short yardage last year.
We had major problems in short yardage situation the past 2 years. Bush was known for tip toeing rather than putting his head down. As a matter of fact, Dakota has been lobbying for DMAC to be the short yardage specialist. We dont have one since Zack Crocket.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
That West Coast Offense worked ten years ago because we had…
1) Gannon, a mobile, accurate on the short to intermediate throws, QB
2)An All Pro Offensive Line
3)Experienced HOF Receivers who caught everything thrown their way.
Our current team has none of those…yet Knapp thinks he is gonna run a championship caliber West Coast, zone blocking scheme, offense?smh
August 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:37 am
So average
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That is a pro bowl status compared to Reece…the better blocker at FB needs to be on field
August 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
I see it like this:
I think that most people in here last year would trade an offense that was 30% worse for a defense that was 100% better.
That is what we have now. This offense will improve as the season goes on. We will make the playoffs and win at least two when we get in.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am
I think a bigger stronger faster reece can learn to be average.. he’s blocked ok so far.. thats why he starts.. can schmitt learn to be a weapon?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Gannon, RIce, Brown, Porter (first couple years), Garner, Crocket, Kauffman…. oh those were the days.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
That West Coast Offense worked ten years ago because we had…
1) Gannon, a mobile, accurate on the short to intermediate throws, QB
2)An All Pro Offensive Line
3)Experienced HOF Receivers who caught everything thrown their way.
Our current team has none of those…yet Knapp thinks he is gonna run a championship caliber West Coast, zone blocking scheme, offense?smh
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Yep but everyone blasted me about dissing the WCO and ZBS under Knapp…but its cool….im trying to be positive yet realistic at the same time
August 18th, 2012 at 10:40 am
EMRaiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Gannon, RIce, Brown, Porter (first couple years), Garner, Crocket, Kauffman…. oh those were the days.
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Days for what? I saw no title happen so those werent the days
August 18th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im not mad at Palmer at all…the INT was a WTF moment but thats what he does….he turns it over because he forces schit…thats who he is….but a job of a OC is to put him in the best position to win..Knapp needs to wake the hell up
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This offense isn’t tailored to 7 step drops. Its a lot more quick passes and half rolls. At least Streater is consistent. They will need to decide to use Reece more as a pass catching back/safety valve until they sort all this out.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am
I think a bigger stronger faster reece can learn to be average.. he’s blocked ok so far.. thats why he starts.. can schmitt learn to be a weapon?
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If he is rated the worse blocker in NFL then how the fk is he ok?
Damn a weapon at FB! Meat and Potatoes….fk side dishes!
August 18th, 2012 at 10:41 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Don’t blame knapp, Palmer is the reason we look like hot trash on offense. He has been pathetic as a raider qb hopelessly floundering & throwing pick after pick.
If anyone points this out here they are instantly attacked
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Mistic-
Since you campaigned so hard for him last season, how’s Jason Campbell doin out there in Chicago. He got that starting QB job yet? I mean he should since he was so much better than Carson Palmer right?
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This idiotic “where is JC now” sht is so tired! Who the fck cares that he’s the backup in Chicago? The guy was damn good for us here and helped win games. It got to the point when we played a divisional opponent, I never even considered that we might lose. Just because he’s out and CP is in doesn’t make Palmer better than him. CP has big shoes to fill.
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No Debo-
What’s tired is the ‘Carson Palmer Hate’ song by Mistic. That song is as played out as 50 Cent ‘In Da Club’.
Palmer is our QB. Is he perfect, no. But he showed us last year in several games what he can do when you put him in a position to maximize his skill set.
Palmer is not our biggest problem right now, Knapp’s sissy blocking scheme and the injury to D Moore is our biggest problem on offense right now.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Another thing to ponder. I don’t think anyone in here would agree that T.J.Yates is better than Palmer. So if Knapp can teach Yates this offense in a year then Palmer should learn it quicker and better than that.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:37 am
As a matter of fact, Dakota has been lobbying for DMAC to be the short yardage specialist. We dont have one since Zach Crockett.
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It’s a pity too, because Bush has the physical tools to be a Jerome Bettis or John Riggins, but wants to be Barry Sanders without the moves or speed instead.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
which offense would you take, todays, or Gannon’s?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
RaiderSam Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im not mad at Palmer at all…the INT was a WTF moment but thats what he does….he turns it over because he forces schit…thats who he is….but a job of a OC is to put him in the best position to win..Knapp needs to wake the hell up
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This offense isn’t tailored to 7 step drops. Its a lot more quick passes and half rolls. At least Streater is consistent. They will need to decide to use Reece more as a pass catching back/safety valve until they sort all this out.
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dink and dunk in this era=losing
August 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
260. Funny.. DA has schmitt rated as a worse blocker.. maybe your list of blockers is stupid..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Neil B…
pretty nice start for Michael in Swansea, huh?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Why we kept basically the same starting players on offense, yet completely changed the entire offensive scheme is a mystery to me…
August 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
EMRaiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
which offense would you take, todays, or Gannon’s?
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Neither won a title
August 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Relax Nation! We’ll be fine.
Our scoring offense is averaging 13.5 pts per game.
Our scoring defense is averaging 17 pts per game.
And somewhere in Idaho, Tom Walsh is preparing Brunch.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
260. Funny.. DA has schmitt rated as a worse blocker.. maybe your list of blockers is stupid..
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Yeah like Cable had Ashley Lelie as a starter lmao
August 18th, 2012 at 10:49 am
#269-
I get that, but which one do you think has the best chance of winning one?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Palmer needs to wake up.. we are a time of possession ball controll team now.. stop with the retarded passes.. you are not a lucky as bret f..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Why we kept basically the same starting players on offense, yet completely changed the entire offensive scheme is a mystery to me…
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Because Hue’s offense was great between the twenties, but not so hot in the red zone.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Al Davis built the team to be a vertical passing, power based offense. That’s the personnel we are suited for.
With no draft picks to acquire players to fit the WCO, it made absolutely no sense to try and turn the offense into a dink and dunk, naked bootleg offense, when that’s not what our team is suited for.
I blame Allen for this one. Reggie handed him the keys to the Ferrari and Allen decided to take it to Walmart to get serviced by his re-hiring of Knapp…smh
August 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
lol, I forgot about Lelie being a Raider at one point….
Now those were REALLY NOT the days!
August 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Yeah coaches always know best….Hue was a great example….Hagan cut for Housh lmao….great logic Bucky…you just not smart enough to deal with me
August 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Gannon had all the stats and accolades and the same record as Marinovich where it matters.Like Todd better coz he doesn’t sh!t on the team to national audiences.
I’ve said it before…The WCO wins it all if Joe Montana
and a cast of all stars are in it.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Why we kept basically the same starting players on offense, yet completely changed the entire offensive scheme is a mystery to me…
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Because Hue’s offense was great between the twenties, but not so hot in the red zone.
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And right now we’re neither…So was throwing the baby out with the bath water really the smart thing to do?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am
271.lol. im hoping da is smarter than cable..
August 18th, 2012 at 10:52 am
It’s a pity too, because Bush has the physical tools to be a Jerome Bettis or John Riggins, but wants to be Barry Sanders without the moves or speed instead.
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I believe we started calling Bush twinkle toes at some point. How about making Miller or Reece the Short Yardage back?
August 18th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Why do you compare da to stupid coaches? He looks pretty sharp.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:54 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am
And right now we’re neither…So was throwing the baby out with the bath water really the smart thing to do?
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Where do you get that? We’ve scored more point than we did at this point last year.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:54 am
EMRaiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
which offense would you take, todays, or Gannon’s?
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Can’t answer that one as of yet.Don’t know what offense
we are running yet.Vanilla or inept?…can’t quite tell.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
YO THE BEEECH DIGGITY IN FULL EFFECT
Whut up Blog Nerds
Yo, packing up the tour van, my island-cool reggae band Rasta Ganja is heading down San Diego way for a huge gig tonight
We’ll be playing NEAR the place where Yes is playing, holla
Probably get a licensing deal inked and hump some major hizzies, packing the Magnums for her pleasure
Yo, this show is going to be straight up DOPE and we get unlimited trips to the restaurant’s salad bar
The Beeech Diggity is thinking of going thousand island AND ranch on some iceberg. Lettuce, that is
GARBONZO BEANS IN THE HIZZY, WORD TO DRE
August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
504 Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Relax Nation! We’ll be fine.
Our scoring offense is averaging 13.5 pts per game.
Our scoring defense is averaging 17 pts per game.
And somewhere in Idaho, Tom Walsh is preparing Brunch.
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LOL
August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Moore, Mcfadden and the Defense are the keys to our success this season.
Either of those falter and we are in serious trouble with this crap that Knapp is pulling so far.
My only hope is that he is playing possum, doesn’t wanna show his hand right now, and is waiting to unleash hell on San Diego on the Monday Night Season Opener.
Please let that be the case.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am
The Beeech Dawg Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
GARBANZO BEANS IN THE HIZZY
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That’s probably the first time in history that combination of words has been posted in a sports blog. Well done, Beeech.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Ironic how we are talking about our OFFENSE while many people out on the WESTCOAST time ZONE are rolling out of BED and about to eat BREAKFAST.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Why do you compare da to stupid coaches? He looks pretty sharp.
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Yeah looking part is so great….that sure wins titles lol
August 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am
504 Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Ironic how we are talking about our OFFENSE while many people out on the WESTCOAST time ZONE are rolling out of BED and about to eat BREAKFAST.
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Speak for yourself. I’ve been at work for two hours now.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Moore, Mcfadden and the Defense are the keys to our success this season.
Either of those falter and we are in serious trouble with this crap that Knapp is pulling so far.
My only hope is that he is playing possum, doesn’t wanna show his hand right now, and is waiting to unleash hell on San Diego on the Monday Night Season Opener.
Please let that be the case.
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Palmer is the main key IMO….he touches the ball every play
August 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
My only hope is that he is playing possum, doesn’t wanna show his hand right now, and is waiting to unleash hell on San Diego on the Monday Night Season Opener.
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That’s surprisingly likely. We’ll find out for sure in a few weeks.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Hell, me too Duck. I ran a 5k this morning and doing some house painting in a minute.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:52 am
It’s a pity too, because Bush has the physical tools to be a Jerome Bettis or John Riggins, but wants to be Barry Sanders without the moves or speed instead.
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I believe we started calling Bush twinkle toes at some point. How about making Miller or Reece the Short Yardage back?
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Reece for HB/TE/WR…never lead blocker…yes AIG for short yardage hell yes…lets get more value out of him
August 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Knapp playing possum? A leopard cant get rid of his spots not can a Tiger shake his stripes….he is what he is….and its not really much
This is his last chance as OC in this league….he needs to stop being stubborn
August 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
At the rate we are getting injured we won’t have to cut anyone by the end of preseason.BTW anyone tell me how bad was the late hit on Leinart.Greg and Tom were going off….don’t want anything to do with calling them homers
or anything but was wondering what others saw?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
This is his last chance as OC in this league.
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I would agree with that. Knapp’s been given the keys to a very talented offense. He screws up here, and he’ll never be more than a position coach again.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Yo MC Duck
Homey, cruise out to the big Rasta Ganja show tonight, we’re going to get hella high in the tour van, seduce the audience with amazing smooth island jamz, then get fizzle with the salad bar
I’m sure we’ll have a rap off with some of the dinner patrons in the parking lot, shout out to big jeezy
Yo, got a suite at Humphrey’s on the Bay, you know some shorties will be getting straight SILLY on our Jamaican ding-dongs
MO FRESH FLAVA
August 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I say why do you think he’s dumb.. you say looks are everything… sigh.. your too dim to have a real football talk with meth.. keep twisting conversation with others im out..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Knapp playing possum? A leopard cant get rid of his spots not can a Tiger shake his stripes….he is what he is….and its not really much
This is his last chance as OC in this league….he needs to stop being stubborn
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Exactly!
Was he playing possum in Seattle too?
Why did he get demoted to QB coach?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Duck were you by any chance referring to the ‘hamstring injury capital of the planet’ Offense we are attempting to field….Rod Martin must be looking over his shoulder.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Why we kept basically the same starting players on offense, yet completely changed the entire offensive scheme is a mystery to me….
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I totally agree and wish at least Al saunders was kept on to run the O. We all knw this O doesn’t fit palmer and Mcfadden already said he perfers the power game in which he thrived last year so if the O takes a step back this year all you Hue haters will be getting what you deserve.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Twinkle Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
At the rate we are getting injured we won’t have to cut anyone by the end of preseason.BTW anyone tell me how bad was the late hit on Leinart.Greg and Tom were going off….don’t want anything to do with calling them homers
or anything but was wondering what others saw?
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It was late.
Actually I find Greg and Tom to be very impartial as callers. They give props to the other teams and act accordingly.
You should hear the callers down here in SD. Talk about homers.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im not mad at Palmer at all…the INT was a WTF moment but thats what he does….he turns it over because he forces schit…thats who he is….but a job of a OC is to put him in the best position to win..Knapp needs to wake the hell up
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Don’t hold your breath.
Knapp has been ‘run, run, pass’ seemingly forever.
Remember seeing a segment on sports when he was with SF, where the stadium fans were yelling at the plays in advance.
I laughed at SF having Knapp as their OC.
Not laughing now.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Reece for HB/TE/WR…never lead blocker…yes AIG for short yardage hell yes…lets get more value out of him
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Yup B. Reece is a match up nitemare. He is our version of Antonio Gates but can do more than Gates. If Nappy is smart, he’ll feature him.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I say why do you think he’s dumb.. you say looks are everything… sigh.. your too dim to have a real football talk with meth.. keep twisting conversation with others im out..
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i didnt say that moron…scroll up
twisting? please youre scrambling….good just leave and dont come back…come back under your other aliases
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
With Allen being a defensive guy, means he will trust Knapp to call the offense.
That gives me the willies.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Remember seeing a segment on sports when he was with SF, where the stadium fans were yelling at the plays in advance.
I laughed at SF having Knapp as their OC.
Not laughing now
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True Statement. I was laughing at them in SF too. Not anymore.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Reece for HB/TE/WR…never lead blocker…yes AIG for short yardage hell yes…lets get more value out of him
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Yup B. Reece is a match up nitemare. He is our version of Antonio Gates but can do more than Gates. If Nappy is smart, he’ll feature him.
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its football not astrophysics….reece is valuable to us no doubt but we decrease it when having him lead block…..anyone remember the games when we went against better defenses? Reece blocking was awful…nada more apparent than last year vs bears…Urlacher tore him apart
August 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Knapp playing possum? A leopard cant get rid of his spots not can a Tiger shake his stripes….he is what he is….and its not really much
This is his last chance as OC in this league….he needs to stop being stubborn
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I know man…I’m just trying to make some sense of it all.smh
August 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Raidernationdave Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
3 – Nil Beyotches. Baggie Nation!
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-3-liverpool-0-match-report-319676.aspx
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La Milicia Negra Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Neil B…
pretty nice start for Michael in Swansea, huh?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
With Allen being a defensive guy, means he will trust Knapp to call the offense.
That gives me the willies.
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So this Brien I assume? lol…you keep getting a certain poster confused about things..he thinks we are the same person lol
August 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Remember seeing a segment on sports when he was with SF, where the stadium fans were yelling at the plays in advance.
I laughed at SF having Knapp as their OC.
Not laughing now
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True Statement. I was laughing at them in SF too. Not anymore.
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RaiderDuck you reading?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Al Davis built the team to be a vertical passing, power based offense. That’s the personnel we are suited for.
With no draft picks to acquire players to fit the WCO, it made absolutely no sense to try and turn the offense into a dink and dunk, naked bootleg offense, when that’s not what our team is suited for.
I blame Allen for this one. Reggie handed him the keys to the Ferrari and Allen decided to take it to Walmart to get serviced by his re-hiring of Knapp…smh
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Remember Al was the one who initially hired Knapp, years ago.
Was a bad hire then.
was a really bad decision now, considering all.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
B,
What I do remember about Reece is him making tough catches over the LB or taking a simple wheel route to the house. It is a must that Knapp utilizes Reece. Reece or DMAC should always be Palmer’s insurance policy.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Meth just my two cents but Bush was in his final year…you know the year where nowadays you do just enough…without risking what knocked him out of the Heisman and had him on rehab here for two years before he played a down…add to that the fact that AL had passed….don’t think getting pulverized trying to bust the goal line stand defense with gay abandon was part of
his vision for himself…they have all seen how Earl Campbell gets about nowadays.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
No others dork.. just this one… ps i know what you wrote .. you ignored ny question with a stupid comment about da’s smart look. Instead of explaing why he’s comparable to cable or hue..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
With Allen being a defensive guy, means he will trust Knapp to call the offense.
That gives me the willies.
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So this Brien I assume? lol…you keep getting a certain poster confused about things..he thinks we are the same person lol
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He accused me of being a couple different people.
I think he hears footsteps. lol
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Remember seeing a segment on sports when he was with SF, where the stadium fans were yelling at the plays in advance.
I laughed at SF having Knapp as their OC.
Not laughing now
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True Statement. I was laughing at them in SF too. Not anymore.
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RaiderDuck you reading?
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Yes, I’m reading how a couple of Niner fans didn’t like Knapp. Niner fans are also chronically deluded. They had one good decade and are still coasting on that TWO decades later.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Here’s what I think the reality is…
Allen knew Knapp from before. They are probably good friends. Knapp was only the QB coach last year and wanted an OC job again.
Allen told Knapp, “If I become head coach I’ll hire you as my OC…”
That’s why Knapp is here, not because he was the better man for the job over Al Saunders.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Raider O Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Knapp playing possum? A leopard cant get rid of his spots not can a Tiger shake his stripes….he is what he is….and its not really much
This is his last chance as OC in this league….he needs to stop being stubborn
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Exactly!
Was he playing possum in Seattle too?
Why did he get demoted to QB coach?
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O…..knapp is a qb coach…the offense ran in houston last year he was not the architect of….he is only a qb coach…he can teach fundamentals to qbs but not call plays or design gameplans to win a title as of now
August 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
By the way great call on criner.. #1 wr any day now meth…
August 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
How did Pryor look?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Remember seeing a segment on sports when he was with SF, where the stadium fans were yelling at the plays in advance.
I laughed at SF having Knapp as their OC.
Not laughing now
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True Statement. I was laughing at them in SF too. Not anymore.
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RaiderDuck you reading?
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Yes, I’m reading how a couple of Niner fans didn’t like Knapp. Niner fans are also chronically deluded. They had one good decade and are still coasting on that TWO decades later.
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A couple? The whole damn stadium did that! you should live in the bay area and you would know this….but wasnt only fans…PLAYERS knew as well…guy sucks
August 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Our depth chart is a little scary, esp on offense.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Look guys knapp sucks.. but reg is going wco.. knapp was still availible.. thats it. I doubt suanders was an option.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
By the way great call on criner.. #1 wr any day now meth…
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What did Criner do wrong last night? Made a wonderful grab for 26 that eventually led to our only offensive TD of preseason right?
Yep i got him as our number one for the future….but streater making good case….Ford and DHB? LOL time to move on
August 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
324. Like a te
August 18th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Duck,
Most Niner fans I know have no clue why Nappy is such a hot commodity. I have to admit that Houston’s offense was rolling but he was really a QB coach there. Kubiak is still calling plays there I think. From what I have seen so far, NOT IMPRESSED. To continually call for the naked bootleg when you havent established the ground game is crazy.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
No others dork.. just this one… ps i know what you wrote .. you ignored ny question with a stupid comment about da’s smart look. Instead of explaing why he’s comparable to cable or hue..
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Using example of guys who start players that shouldnt start…that wasnt hard to grasp…everyone else on blog knew this…whats so hard bout that?
you said he looks pretty sharp! I didnt you did!
Thought you were out?
And yes we know that isnt your only screen name liar
August 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
You said criner will be our #1 This yr.. dont be shy.. and i told you criner would not pass streater.. why? Cause da put streat above criner.. i dont care what you & jerry or cork say.. i think our hc is smarter than you.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Streater is a future #1 with a healthy DMoore. Criner is strictly a poss WR. Dude doesnt have enough speed so he needs his QB to trust him to fight for the ball. Unfortunately, it’s tough for that QB trust when you’re a rookie. If Criner can be our poor man’s Hakeem Nicks then we are golden.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
With Allen being a defensive guy, means he will trust Knapp to call the offense.
That gives me the willies.
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So this Brien I assume? lol…you keep getting a certain poster confused about things..he thinks we are the same person lol
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He accused me of being a couple different people.
I think he hears footsteps. lol
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I dont get his issue….ive tried to make amends with him and just squash it but he cant let it go….i honestly feel bad about how ive embarrassed him over the last few years now that is has come to this
August 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
You said criner will be our #1 This yr.. dont be shy.. and i told you criner would not pass streater.. why? Cause da put streat above criner.. i dont care what you & jerry or cork say.. i think our hc is smarter than you.
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Yes that what im saying….he will be number 1 wr on this team this year…even crazy ass bucky brooks can see that
Actually dumbass you were talking on the rookies becuz you said they havent done nada yet…so dont backtrack now you bz
Criner is our poss WR before you know it
August 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am
I know iknow.. everybody who disagrees with you is the mysterious mr. Ooooh..lol. he must have been ab awful troll to have shaken you so.. but dont be scared.. i have no other names buddy..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:35 am
We finally get rid of bres on D and now we get knapp on O. One step forward two steps back. Fu@ck.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:36 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:35 am
We finally get rid of bres on D and now we get knapp on O. One step forward two steps back. Fu@ck.
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hahahahaaha
August 18th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Streater is a future #1 with a healthy DMoore. Criner is strictly a poss WR. Dude doesnt have enough speed so he needs his QB to trust him to fight for the ball. Unfortunately, it’s tough for that QB trust when you’re a rookie. If Criner can be our poor man’s Hakeem Nicks then we are golden.
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Streater hasnt showed speed his damn self…atlho we know he has it
Poss WR’s more times than not or number 1’s
Well Palmer sure trusting Dmoore last year lol that rookie
Before this season is done
In whatever order you want
Moore,Criner and Streater will be our top 3 WRs…their skill sets match too damn well for it not to be
August 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am
get rid of Nappy, bring back Tom Walsh and we have a trifecta. Raider on.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
How did Pryor look?
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The usual but for some reason no one here seems to want to give Arizona’s D any cudos.They out played us all game
which is normal for this time of year.Ours outplayed
theirs also for the most part.Our S/Team’s flat stunk
the place up but I digress Pryor looked good fleeing for his life.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am
I know iknow.. everybody who disagrees with you is the mysterious mr. Ooooh..lol. he must have been ab awful troll to have shaken you so.. but dont be scared.. i have no other names buddy..
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AIG has disagreed with me…Raider Dell…Dakota…RRS…DMAC and others even Raiderman99…have i accused them as being MR?
LOL try again you’re not smart enough
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Well Palmer sure trusting Dmoore last year lol that rookie
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Because that rookie, streater, is getting open. That is why our QBs are throwing to him. Where Criner cannot get separation so the QB must put his faith in Criner if he slings it that way. That’s my point.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am
get rid of Nappy, bring back Tom Walsh and we have a trifecta. Raider on.
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Oh god….well at least A’s won last night lmao
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I said no rook would start the season unless a starter gets hurt.. 1000 times… i said cryner would not be our #1 this yr. And i said streat looks better.. wake up..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Moore,Criner and Streater will be our top 3 WRs…their skill sets match too damn well for it not to be
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I have no problem with this. DHB cannot be counted on to catch that critical pass imho. He’ll pad his stats in meaningless situations. Would you really want to throw to DHB on 3rd downs?
August 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
342. I saw you accuse someone else last week..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Well Palmer sure trusting Dmoore last year lol that rookie
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Because that rookie, streater, is getting open. That is why our QBs are throwing to him. Where Criner cannot get separation so the QB must put his faith in Criner if he slings it that way. That’s my point.
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I disagree on separation part…Marques Colston is not fast at all but knows how to get open…more than speed it takes to get open…..WR job is to make a play….you get paid for the extraordinary and making the impossible possible….I see your point but Palmer is gonna have to trust Criner because is your prototypical poss WR and DHB isnt a starter for real and Ford just not it right now
Criner Moore and Streater…will see them alot this season
August 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am
The A’s just love makin us play on the dirt..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I said no rook would start the season unless a starter gets hurt.. 1000 times… i said cryner would not be our #1 this yr. And i said streat looks better.. wake up..
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And dummy what did I say? BEFORE season’s end…realistically by October a rookie will be starting….you never said Streater was better than Criner…you dissed rookies for not doing schit yet
And assh–e i was giving streater much love because I actually went to Napa and saw him with my own eyes…so piss off MR
August 18th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Duck damn right about the 9er fans…while they were in that decade…they were the worst specimens of humanity
as far as humility is concerned…all the while having as much football clue as I have..that looks real ugly
trust me …why I call em idiots.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
B,
The AIG and The B have insulted each other many times on here but it’s all good.
Agreed on separation. There are many ways to get open. Run a good route and you shake off your man (Colston, Nicks and Rice). Or you can be like Gates and shield your man from the ball. I dont have the tape of every WR but my hunch says Criner hasnt been thrown to because he hasnt gotten separation.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
342. I saw you accuse someone else last week..
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You based your accusation on the fact that you disagreed with me or anyone that does i say is MR…i just listed names you dumbfk….just not smart enough dude
August 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Ive only been here since the draft.. the only thing i know about anybody is that beech raps and you sling insults along with you oppinons.. your the only troll that messes with me meth..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Moore,Criner and Streater will be our top 3 WRs…their skill sets match too damn well for it not to be
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I have no problem with this. DHB cannot be counted on to catch that critical pass imho. He’ll pad his stats in meaningless situations. Would you really want to throw to DHB on 3rd downs?
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you dont have to be humble lol…..guy isnt a starter for a team with playoff aspirations…when you need a play to be made that requires the extraordinary can he do it? Will he use his hands? Nope
What routes are DHB the best at? Exactly….he doesnt have whole route tree down…not even half of it!
Criner Moore and Streater…to the rescue!
August 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Criner won’t start barely heard his name since OTA’s. Dmore DHB Ford will be starters and streater will be ahead of Criner he has made more plays imo.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Ive only been here since the draft.. the only thing i know about anybody is that beech raps and you sling insults along with you oppinons.. your the only troll that messes with me meth..
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HAHAHA yeah since the draft? Suuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrreeeee we believe ya…since when has Beech rapped?
Im not a troll…..Raider soldier executing all punks and jcats like you MarkMR
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am
I was really pulling for Goody and DVD, but they need to be replaced with Grant and Bryant McFadden asap, so those guys can get reps. They were not worthy of wearing the shield last night.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I told you and others that streat was higher on the depth chart than criner.. as he should be.. you said no no no.. cork told me criner and i bought it and i cant change my oppinion now cause i suck.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Streater is playing like our 2nd WR right now, maybe 3rd, but ahead of Ford/Criner.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Criner won’t start barely heard his name since OTA’s. Dmore DHB Ford will be starters and streater will be ahead of Criner he has made more plays imo.
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Assuming Ford’s foot injury isn’t bad. If it is, then Streater’s played his way into the #3 WR spot.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Criner won’t start barely heard his name since OTA’s. Dmore DHB Ford will be starters and streater will be ahead of Criner he has made more plays imo.
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Well you disagree with me so therefore according to Mark’s Hair im calling you MR lol
Since OTAs? LOL bruh thats just not accurate….Criner name was mentioned all training camp…thats a fact
Ford and DHB? LOL….Ford is too small and injury prone…..DHB is a bench warmer with a good attitude
Streater is aheead of Criner as of now but so far Criner with his slow speed has still made a deeper play then Streater. I stand by what I said that Criner will be your starter at the X position before this season is done
August 18th, 2012 at 11:53 am
You are the only troll ive met meth.. come on! lol.. your the only guy with grudge for me.. the only person thats insulted me.. and btw iritated me enough to insult back.. which i hate to do.. it not what im here for..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I told you and others that streat was higher on the depth chart than criner.. as he should be.. you said no no no.. cork told me criner and i bought it and i cant change my oppinion now cause i suck.
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No you didnt…all you talked about was me talking up rookies so much and then recently i pulled up sfgate article with knapp’s crazy ass event alking up the rookies…both of them
That was in response to you dissing them as rookies because i was hyping them up….stop lying….thats what MR does and yet you want me to not accuse you of such? lol
August 18th, 2012 at 11:54 am
360. Dude looks like a gem..
August 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
On to the dbacks and RB.
DB – I have no love for DVD from day one and the kid stinks in my book. If you get demoted at Miami, you aint ever going to be an NFL CB. Zero instincts. You need that to anticipate the WR’s route in the NFL. Even Chekwa, who I am not high on, has that clock in his head to make a play on the ball.
RB – I dont worry about this position. The ZBS have consistently produced 1k runners. Who the heck were guys like Mike Anderson and Ruben Droughs? Just need a healthy back, consitently Oline play and we are good to go.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
B,
The AIG and The B have insulted each other many times on here but it’s all good.
Agreed on separation. There are many ways to get open. Run a good route and you shake off your man (Colston, Nicks and Rice). Or you can be like Gates and shield your man from the ball. I dont have the tape of every WR but my hunch says Criner hasnt been thrown to because he hasnt gotten separation.
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Yeah and AIG will still disagree…he is an assh–e but i respect that…..Criner will be fine….i saw all i needed to see from Napa and that one catch last night about the type of guy Reggie drafted…just watch as season goes on…its gonna be plainly obvious
August 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Just cracked my first beer.
If I get drunk and start talkin sh1t just ignore me.
Thanks in advance.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Streater is playing like our 2nd WR right now, maybe 3rd, but ahead of Ford/Criner.
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2nd? Who is the first? lol
August 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Criner will be fine
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Loved how he adjusted to the ball at ease. Imagine DHB ever doing something like that….NOT.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:53 am
You are the only troll ive met meth.. come on! lol.. your the only guy with grudge for me.. the only person thats insulted me.. and btw iritated me enough to insult back.. which i hate to do.. it not what im here for..
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Sure Bucky Larsen we know better than that
August 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
morilla Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
It was late.
Actually I find Greg and Tom to be very impartial as callers. They give props to the other teams and act accordingly.
You should hear the callers down here in SD. Talk about homers.
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Thanks man….I was thinking if in fact I had ever heard anyone else (other than Don King) call a game?
I can’t recall of listening to any others no matter where I’ve lived.Just remember Jack Murphy being more S&B than blue same of Phoenix though by the sound of the stadium in the background last night….that may have changed.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Criner will be fine
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Loved how he adjusted to the ball at ease. Imagine DHB ever doing something like that….NOT.
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HAAAAAAAAAA exactly….poss wrs do that kinda schit!…Criner will be starting at some point this season and wont give it back too after that
August 18th, 2012 at 11:58 am
“I’m trying to be positive yet realistic at the same time”.LMFAO.Come on B all you do is complain about players you don’t like and build up those you do like.Very seldom positive,realistic more in your own eyes than others.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
And another insult.. your soo cleaver meth.. i guess this means schmitt will start.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Streater is playing like our 2nd WR right now, maybe 3rd, but ahead of Ford/Criner.
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2nd? Who is the first? lol
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I give the 1st to Moore, but think Streater will pass him and DHB by years end for the 1 spot. Streater plays with focus and dude ain’t scurred.lol
August 18th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:58 am
“I’m trying to be positive yet realistic at the same time”.LMFAO.Come on B all you do is complain about players you don’t like and build up those you do like.Very seldom positive,realistic more in your own eyes than others.
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Have you once seem me bash Tommy Kelly today? Seymour?
Palmer is getting my support because he is in a bad spot with Knapp
Reece is not a blocker Lefty and you know it as an old school dude
DHB is not a natural at WR…why is that so hard for you guys to see?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Bottom line on our Wrs and DHB is we should have taken Calvin Johnson which is a no brainer in foresight or hindsight. And we should have taken Crabtree and we wouldn’t be having these conversations so this one is on the OWNER IN THE SKY period.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Palmer has much learning to do in the ZBS, Leinart needs to coach him up on Knapp’s scheme asap.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Streater is playing like our 2nd WR right now, maybe 3rd, but ahead of Ford/Criner.
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2nd? Who is the first? lol
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I give the 1st to Moore, but think Streater will pass him and DHB by years end for the 1 spot. Streater plays with focus and dude ain’t scurred.lol
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I dig Dsmooth….he is a prototypical number 2 wr is my point…most def a starter….Dmoore started week 2 last year and hasnt let spot go since…I like Streater for sure…he goes after the rock!….still havent seen his speed but not his fault…offense aint calling for it
August 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Tk looks good.. but its hard to tell dallas & stl had injuries up front.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Bottom line on our Wrs and DHB is we should have taken Calvin Johnson which is a no brainer in foresight or hindsight. And we should have taken Crabtree and we wouldn’t be having these conversations so this one is on the OWNER IN THE SKY period.
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Crabtree is a punk…he is hated by SF fans and the players dont like him…sad to say this id rather have DHB
Yeah Megatron woulda been nice…..jeez
August 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
RB – I dont worry about this position. The ZBS have consistently produced 1k runners. Who the heck were guys like Mike Anderson and Ruben Droughs? Just need a healthy back, consitently Oline play and we are good to go.
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Reuben Droughns could have been a HoFer. His first year at Oregon, the man was one of the two or three best running backs I’ve ever seen. But then he blew out both his knee and ankle in a double-OT loss vs. UCLA, and got very pedestrian afterwards. Crying shame.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
That was an awesome sack by Branch, Houston, Nasty and Wheeler! 4 dudes crushin’ Kolb at once, then again for a safety.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Palmer has much learning to do in the ZBS, Leinart needs to coach him up on Knapp’s scheme asap.
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When has leinart played in KNAPPS scheme? lol…a qb coach has no scheme
August 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Calvin>DHB>Craptree
August 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Love the blitzes. Just hope the back end holds up when we face better olines &qbs..
August 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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So Knapp was his QB coach in Houston, where he taught Matt how the QB should play the ZBS and be effective, fair enough?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
ZBS has produced 1000 yard runners yes…but 1000 yards doesnt have same meaning as it did years ago…Farglass had a 1000 yards too lol
How about having the blocking scheme that beats the upper echelon of defenses?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
385
So Knapp was his QB coach in Houston, where he taught Matt how the QB should play the ZBS and be effective, fair enough?
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Knapp was developing plays….he can teach fundamentals of QB well i say…but his offensive philosophy and game plans? I dont see it
August 18th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
That was an awesome sack by Branch, Houston, Nasty and Wheeler! 4 dudes crushin’ Kolb at once, then again for a safety.
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Yeah i liked seeing that
August 18th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
meant to say in 390 knapp wasnt developing plays
August 18th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
385
So Knapp was his QB coach in Houston, where he taught Matt how the QB should play the ZBS and be effective, fair enough?
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Knapp was developing plays….he can teach fundamentals of QB well i say…but his offensive philosophy and game plans? I dont see it
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My point is that Lionheart looked more comfortable to me than Palmer did, and I think his time with Knapp had to do with it.jmo man
August 18th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I was a pretty big supporter of cp3. But im starting to wonder if he can play ball control.. he needs a collar that will shock him every time he just tosses it up without a thought to the D.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
WE will have troubles as we know we have some holes but AFC west is still up for grabs…will be a tight race again down to week 17 i believe….id hope reggie and DA will demote Knapp if the offense is stinking in october
August 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
DHB will be our 1st wideout….why? coz he’s the only one big and strong enough to take the pounding (tho heard he is injured) dude is very good blocker for D’Macs
long runs and he caught enough balls last year too keep CP’s interest in throwing to him.Ford and Moore are injury prone.Streater is developing as the possession guy…. 6 for 66 against Dallas….7 for about the same last night…..and Criner is developing short arms as those hits add up…early yet but we’ll see.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Burris did have a couple whiffs and torpedos last night, but he’s a rook and still very active out there. Props to 79 for the term torpedos.lol
August 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Crabtree is a punk…he is hated by SF fans and the players dont like him…sad to say this id rather have DHB
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Meth crabtree plays with alex smith and the niners enuff said. But if he played with us I think he would be more productive. While he may be a diva he can make plays with a good QB tossing him the rock.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I just finished watching the panthers and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!
Cam Newton continues to run roughshod over the nfl and nothing it seems can stop him. His passing accuracy was razor sharp, and he was in complete command. The panthers were very vanilla on offense, but the shotgun spread is here to stay. This dynamic offense coupled with a special talent at qb is devastating. Cam toyed with the defense, running boot leg and play fakes to perfection. He kept them baffled with his now pronounced touch, and ability to deliver from the pocket or on the move. This is the new football, this is what we need here in oakland.
I hope big mck will set us up with something similar for 2013.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
385
So Knapp was his QB coach in Houston, where he taught Matt how the QB should play the ZBS and be effective, fair enough?
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Knapp was developing plays….he can teach fundamentals of QB well i say…but his offensive philosophy and game plans? I dont see it
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My point is that Lionheart looked more comfortable to me than Palmer did, and I think his time with Knapp had to do with it.jmo man
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Maybe but look at Liono’s career at USC and in the NFL….he can sure do rollouts and bootlegs…some of that comfort is attributed to skill set…as if liono played in hue’s offense palmer would be more comfortable
August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Blaming the blocking scheme for not pounding the ball into the end zone last night is pure BS.Last year with the power blocking scheme if you remember right everyone complained all year because we couldn’t pick up short yardage near the goal-line and for 1st downs.Bush got the blame but since he isn’t here,now the scheme and the OC are to blame.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
We dont really fit the system… how the f did td run for so many tds in donkholeville?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Im not a troll…..Raider soldier executing all punks and jcats like you MarkMR
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That’s exactly what you are. A stalking, cross-posting piece of schit, Troll
-KoolKell
August 18th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Short yardage is where i wanna see schmitt in front of reece. Double te.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
DHB as a poss wr or a number 1= true embarrassment to the NFL
August 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
So it Looks Like Meth and I both have some stud MUP’s
Method= Criner
Purple= Streater
Now if only we had a real OC
August 18th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I just finished watching the panthers and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!
Cam Newton continues to run roughshod over the nfl and nothing it seems can stop him. His passing accuracy was razor sharp, and he was in complete command. The panthers were very vanilla on offense, but the shotgun spread is here to stay. This dynamic offense coupled with a special talent at qb is devastating. Cam toyed with the defense, running boot leg and play fakes to perfection. He kept them baffled with his now pronounced touch, and ability to deliver from the pocket or on the move. This is the new football, this is what we need here in oakland.
I hope big mck will set us up with something similar for 2013.
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Wait ’til Cam hits the regular season this year before you get him ready for Canton. Defenses have had all winter to study up on his weaknesses and figure out how to play him.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
400
Agreed.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Im not a troll…..Raider soldier executing all punks and jcats like you MarkMR
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That’s exactly what you are. A stalking, cross-posting piece of schit, Troll
-KoolKell
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Nope Kell….you are more so the troll than I would ever be…ive never cross posted…you are a fkin liar and you claim to have proof? Lying ass old man…stalk? When? Cuz I called you once and you acted like a little teeny bopper chick in the cafeteria?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:10 pm My point is that Lionheart looked more comfortable to me than Palmer did, and I think his time with Knapp had to do with it.jmo man
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Had more to do with their enormous 1st team NG no longer being in the game or in the backfield with the snap as he was with Palmer.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Ok whats a mup? Most underrated?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Yup
August 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Ok whats a mup? Most underrated?
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Either that or Most Unexpected (by everyone else) Player.
I’m voting for Streater this year.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
wco has long been known to be most vulnerable in short yardage going all the way back to walsh’s niners. The way around it is to have a fullback that is a versatile enough to run for short yardage, catch from the back field, and block equally well. This is the flaw as there just arent many full backs that fit the theory as well as a tom rathman did.
I agree I would like to see a much more modern version of the wco here. More like the gb spread shotgun, or the one that eagle 7 runs in philly.
We dont have the players for that kind of space age attack at the moment
August 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We needed Wiz in there last night, that’s for sure.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Blaming the blocking scheme for not pounding the ball into the end zone last night is pure BS.Last year with the power blocking scheme if you remember right everyone complained all year because we couldn’t pick up short yardage near the goal-line and for 1st downs.Bush got the blame but since he isn’t here,now the scheme and the OC are to blame.
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I blamed more than blocking scheme…just scroll up..a few others have as well
Also last year i blamed more than Bush as well
But still last year and yearbefore we were way better in redzone that 2003-2009…im sure u’ll agree on that!
Knapp is trash…49er thrown away trash with garbage off philsophy
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Hmm unexpected.. i didnt really have one i guess.. i just hoped for more improvment from the vets and crazy fun blitzing d..
August 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
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You fag piece of schit
August 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
DHB as a poss wr or a number 1= true embarrassment to the NFL
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Tis what it is…why I call it, since going from 26 to 32 teams and the subsequent advent of FA, The 32 Teams That Suck….mandated mediocrity.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
wco has long been known to be most vulnerable in short yardage going all the way back to walsh’s niners. The way around it is to have a fullback that is a versatile enough to run for short yardage, catch from the back field, and block equally well. This is the flaw as there just arent many full backs that fit the theory as well as a tom rathman did.
I agree I would like to see a much more modern version of the wco here. More like the gb spread shotgun, or the one that eagle 7 runs in philly.
We dont have the players for that kind of space age attack at the moment
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co-sign
August 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Knapp may prove to be trash but I’ll wait longer than 2 practice games where we’ve scored more than we did last year after 2 practice games before making that observation.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
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Your big fat azz greasy Daddy would probably be better, no?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
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You fag piece of schit
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Because I’m not sold on Cooper? lol…..wow talk about melting down….Kell…go into the kitchen…grab some beer or whatever u take….ease up man…you gettig too old for this
August 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Bergs looks stong.. wanna see him with the 1s vs 1s.. he can definatly beat up on there 2s..
August 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We needed Wiz in there last night, that’s for sure.
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Damn sure Carson will second that.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
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I wouldn’t expect a 3rd-round rookie guard (who played tackle in college) to start game 1. Middle of the season or next year would be more realistic.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
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Your big fat azz greasy Daddy would probably be better, no?
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My dad is too old to play football now….so how would he be better?
Dont understand your aim here….Kell calm down man….roll up a joint and walk the beach in Alameda…relax old man
August 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
why stick to one;
use both zbs & power
make one primary, implement the other to keep defense on their heels
we don’t telegraph our playcalling (well, okay Knapp does; so why should we telegraph our blocking schemes
August 18th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We needed Wiz in there last night, that’s for sure.
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So there’s no credible backup for Wiz?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG? Im not
I hope for Bergsstrom to step up…sick of seeing Coops out there
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I wouldn’t expect a 3rd-round rookie guard (who played tackle in college) to start game 1. Middle of the season or next year would be more realistic.
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Thats why i said I hope….coop gotta go
August 18th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
could not see the game, did any of the back up OLine play well:
Nix?
Barksdale?
Parsons?
Bergstrom?
Miller?
others?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
why stick to one;
use both zbs & power
make one primary, implement the other to keep defense on their heels
we don’t telegraph our playcalling (well, okay Knapp does; so why should we telegraph our blocking schemes
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Excellent post
August 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We needed Wiz in there last night, that’s for sure.
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So there’s no credible backup for Wiz?
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Can you do better than the backup for Wiz, no?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
why stick to one;
use both zbs & power
make one primary, implement the other to keep defense on their heels
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Kirwan said in his book that a lot of teams do that now. Best guess is Pollack wants to make sure the lineman know the main scheme 100% before he even thinks of implementing anything else.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I just finished watching the panthers and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!
Cam Newton continues to run roughshod over the nfl and nothing it seems can stop him. His passing accuracy was razor sharp, and he was in complete command. The panthers were very vanilla on offense, but the shotgun spread is here to stay. This dynamic offense coupled with a special talent at qb is devastating. Cam toyed with the defense, running boot leg and play fakes to perfection. He kept them baffled with his now pronounced touch, and ability to deliver from the pocket or on the move. This is the new football, this is what we need here in oakland.
I hope big mck will set us up with something similar for 2013.
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Wait ’til Cam hits the regular season this year before you get him ready for Canton. Defenses have had all winter to study up on his weaknesses and figure out how to play him.
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You must have missed what he did all last year, posting the greatest statistical rookie qb season in the history of the 92 year old nfl.
No in fact he looked even better now then he did, as he continues to improve. Cam hasnt even come close to his ceiling and he already has lefty his mark on canton. Cam newton set the single season rush td record for a qb and the ball from # 13 is in canton.
He is the real deal and will only get better. I have him in my top 10 qbs going into this year and he may be in the top 5 by seasons end.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Duck,maybe after the bye.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
could not see the game, did any of the back up OLine play well:
Nix?
Barksdale?
Parsons?
Bergstrom?
Miller?
others?
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Barksdale was MUCH improved on his pass-blocking. Miller seemed OK from what I saw. Didn’t really get a bead on the other linemen.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Can you do better than the backup for Wiz, no?
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Brien, can your fat-azzed greasy Daddy do better? do you know his number?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Mistic…..whoa…top 5? You basically saying he will be MVP of year…if he enters top 5 then he will be MVP for sure
August 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Is Kell having a melt down?????
August 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
429. Idk… knapp. The wco can work. Its about the coach.. stay loose. Stay modern.. Use your guys in the best way..
August 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
He is the real deal and will only get better. I have him in my top 10 qbs going into this year and he may be in the top 5 by seasons end.
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I saw what he did last year, but a lot of QBs will have sophomore slumps. You can’t judge by preseason, because nobody ever tailors a preseason gameplan for a specific player. They just go with their base D on everything.
Newton may be all that and a bag of chips. I’m just saying to wait and see what does this year.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Can you do better than the backup for Wiz, no?
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Brien, can your fat-azzed greasy Daddy do better? do you know his number?
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Ha this is funny…as if you are in shape Michael lol…..of course i know my dad’s number…damn Kell you just reaching today
Tell us more about the proof that I’m RaydaSwagger…thats even more funny than you saying I didnt know schit about Jamarcus Russell or that black peiople started the NAACP
August 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Tell us more about the proof that I’m RaydaSwagger
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There you go, you cross-posting, stalking, piece of schit Troll.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bergs will probably replace Cooper by the time we come out of the bye week. Raiders could have easily won both preseason games if they had wanted to; this is NOT THE TIME TO PANIC. Just get the guys back who are already out, adn don’t lose anyone else. We need at least one more corner and one more running back from the waiver wire.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Is Kell having a melt down?????
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PD Ocho Uno! Sup mayne?
I suppose Michael is…for what reason? Who knows? I’ve extended myself to let bygones be bygones…you would think a mature well traveled man such as Michael can do that….too bad he isnt….he is upset because my views dont mirror his as far as black politicians and such
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
we are six deep at DT:
Seymour
Kelley
Bryant
Biloduki
Hamilton
Cumbie
(7 if you consider Houston could play this position as well)
It appears we have a linebacker corp from what I’ve read and saw on MNF
Ihenacho is a beast
Wheeler veteran FA pick of the year
Burris solid = all-rookie defensive team this year
McClain stepping up (get your legal affairs in order, be honest with Goodell or keep your mouth shut, don’t give him a reason to suspend you for anymore games than he is currently planning to; in fact give him reasons to reduce them; your family needs the paychecks, your needs your skills)
Goethel solid & healthy
Kilgore sleeper FA pickup of the year
I feel like I’m forgetting someone
Curry needs to get healthy or accept another pay cut, could be in the works already, let alone a starting position; he’s getting paid too much to be 2nd team
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Tell us more about the proof that I’m RaydaSwagger
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There you go, you cross-posting, stalking, piece of schit Troll.
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Pretty obvious that recognizing sarcasm isnt your strong suit eh Michael?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Why are Method and Kell going all Biggie-2Pac on us? Did I miss something?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG?
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JFB must be at least 2 zip codes away from his computer right now to let that question go unanswered.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
NFL Network is airing the game again tonight at 8:59 PM pst
August 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
we are six deep at DT:
Seymour
Kelley
Bryant
Biloduki
Hamilton
Cumbie
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All are UTs…not a NT in the pile maybe 2013
August 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
gametime, Chekwa is the player
I have a feeling the ninth DB will be a safety.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Who in here is sold on Cooper Carlisle as your LG?
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JFB must be at least 2 zip codes away from his computer right now to let that question go unanswered.
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HAHAHAHAHA…he getting ready for the Giants game maybe
August 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Tell us more about the proof that I’m RaydaSwagger
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There you go, you cross-posting, stalking, piece of schit Troll.
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Pretty obvious that recognizing sarcasm isnt your strong suit eh Michael?
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Where’d you get my first name from, you stalking groupie, piece of schit?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
DHB is a bench warmer with a good attitude…
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Hahaha…ROTFL!
August 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Mistic…..whoa…top 5? You basically saying he will be MVP of year…if he enters top 5 then he will be MVP for sure
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I saw big improvement in the game over last year. He almost looked as if the game was in slow motion around him. Every player on the filed had clearly surrendered to the idea that Cam owned them. Cam has the jordan factor.
If he can cut down the picks ( and Im almost willing to bet my house that he will) Came will be in the top 5, but the team will need to win for him to get in the mvp discussion.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Raidertbone Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
NFL Network is airing the game again tonight at 8:59 PM pst
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10PM Pacific time.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Cam Newton is awesome. Love that kid and he’s gonna be great in this league for many years. But he aint with the Raiders.
Back to our QB, I couldnt believe my own eyes when Palmer threw that dart to Streater in the endzone after DMAC took out his legs. Too funny and that’s why there’s NFL qbs. They can do things we can only dream of.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
we are six deep at DT:
Seymour
Kelley
Bryant
Biloduki
Hamilton
Cumbie
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All are UTs…not a NT in the pile maybe 2013
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Travis Ivey is a nose tackle, but the fool ate himself right out of a job.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Why are Method and Kell going all Biggie-2Pac on us? Did I miss something?
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Yes you did
First off Biggie and Pac were friends before…me and Michael have never been friends and never will be
This guy is accusing me of being RaydaSwagger and lying saying he has proof….I was in Modesto yesterday and Dell and Thec texted me telling me this…..i wasnt shocked…from day 1 Kelly accuses me of cross posting with no evidence to stand on
August 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
we are six deep at DT:
Seymour
Kelley
Bryant
Biloduki
Hamilton
Cumbie
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All are UTs…not a NT in the pile maybe 2013
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Travis Ivey is a nose tackle, but the fool ate himself right out of a job.
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Moron he is
August 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Defense is better
ZBS will work – trust!
Players need to execute better, particularly on offense
The games don’t matter, for now
You don’t have to drink the koolaid right away, but don’t sink the ship either!
August 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Should Leinart’s injury be more serious or Palmer’s & Pryor’s play continue to be a concern, should the Raiders consider trading for Seattle’s Tavaris Jackson?
and do you think Reggie is wishing he had renegotiated/traded/cut just one more player to be able to resign Michael Bush
August 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Tell us more about the proof that I’m RaydaSwagger
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There you go, you cross-posting, stalking, piece of schit Troll.
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Pretty obvious that recognizing sarcasm isnt your strong suit eh Michael?
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Where’d you get my first name from, you stalking groupie, piece of schit?
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I don’t think this is really Kell. Looks and posts like a troll imposter.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
as much as we are
August 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Tell us more about the proof that I’m RaydaSwagger
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There you go, you cross-posting, stalking, piece of schit Troll.
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Pretty obvious that recognizing sarcasm isnt your strong suit eh Michael?
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Where’d you get my first name from, you stalking groupie, piece of schit?
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Michael….how hard was it to find you? Your info got put on here for everyone to see…did you forget that?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Travis Ivey is a nose tackle, but the fool ate himself right out of a job.
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Hahahahaha! This might be the funniest post I’ve read all day,lol
August 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
ZBS will work – trust!
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We shall see…but dont blame us for not expecting it to be so
August 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Armchair…..thats easily Kell…not one true fact is being stated and he mentions B@uce Sr…but you know as well as I know he wont do that to pops face ever
August 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
So, I’m blocked now?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I thought Burris had a terrible game. He consistently was blocked out of the play. I kept lookign for him at the bottom of the pile and he was consistently blocked away from it.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Michael….how hard was it to find you? Your info got put on here for everyone to see…did you forget that?
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I see you haven’t you stalking, cross-posting, groupie piece of schit.
Did you find out where my escrows are yet, so you can go pee in the yard?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Why would The Reggie not think positively of the ZBS??
He was in Green Bay winning a Super Bowl a few years ago with the ZBS system firmly in place.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
448
Nice post I’d agree.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Method:
I understand your pessimism about ZBS.
But with a new system in place, a QB who has the arm to go deep and keep the defenses honest, and more consistent and injury-free play, I see good things.
Penalties are already down – now, we just need to work on that back-up running back spot.
As far as Tavaris Jackson is concerned, just how much would you be willing to give up for a QB who has been given every opportunity to be a starter in numerous places, and just doesn’t have what it takes?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Worst offensive player yesterday behind Goodson and Palmer, was probably Briesel.
He was awful!!!!!!
Pretty disappointing that his first real reps in the Silver and Black had him missing blitz reads, getting manhandled inside, and generally just sucking eggs all half.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I swear…JFB must have an active filter system warning him of any talk about Cooper Carlisle. As soon as someone bags on Coop, JFB re-appears. LMFAO.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Michael….how hard was it to find you? Your info got put on here for everyone to see…did you forget that?
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I see you haven’t you stalking, cross-posting, groupie piece of schit.
Did you find out where my escrows are yet, so you can go pee in the yard?
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I dont care about your escrows to be honest….i dont even dig deep like that…I can careless…..you are the one actually obsessed with me Kelly….60 yrs of age acting like you’re 15…come on
August 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
This guy is accusing me of being RaydaSwagger and lying saying he has proof….I was in Modesto yesterday and Dell and Thec texted me telling me this….
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You lying piece of schit
August 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Burris has room to improve, like 55 and Goethel. He had a few chances last night and pulled the torpedo, shot right past the ball carrier.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I remember offensively stinking last preseason, and being told to let Soup wait until he “learns” the new system again.
I am not giving Palmer a pass by any means, but our 1’s looked about as good (or bad if you want to cut that way) as last year, and it is a complete offensive system overhaul to a much higher degree than last year.
Patience young grasshoppers. We will be playing for our division in December, and that’s all we can ask for right now until this team learns how to win.
August 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
JFB:
I’ll keep an eye on Briesel as I watch the game tonight. How did my boy Barksdale look?
August 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I dont care about your escrows to be honest….i dont even dig deep like that…I can careless…..you are the one actually obsessed with me Kelly….60 yrs of age acting like you’re 15…come on
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You groupie piece of schit
August 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I swear…JFB must have an active filter system warning him of any talk about Cooper Carlisle. As soon as someone bags on Coop, JFB re-appears. LMFAO.
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On cue…Cooper sux
August 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
This guy is accusing me of being RaydaSwagger and lying saying he has proof….I was in Modesto yesterday and Dell and Thec texted me telling me this….
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You lying piece of schit
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Am I?….explain
August 18th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
You got to have that extra sense, AIG.
Part of being a truth-teller
August 18th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I dont care about your escrows to be honest…
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Oooooh yeah you do, you stalking groupie piece of crap
August 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Cam Newton is awesome. Love that kid and he’s gonna be great in this league for many years. But he aint with the Raiders.
Back to our QB, I couldnt believe my own eyes when Palmer threw that dart to Streater in the endzone after DMAC took out his legs. Too funny and that’s why there’s NFL qbs. They can do things we can only dream of.
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Aig you kill me bra
You said Cam would flop and had no shot in the pros, im glad your jumping on his jock now though.
Palmer can never be mentioned in the same sentence with Cam. Cam is a franchise world class qb, with one of kind talent and the hearty of a lion. He is a fierce competitor and leader and team feeds off his energy.
Palmer is the tin man, and has testicular fortitude akin to a sea slug. He pouts and sulks on the sideline, makes excuses and could lead flys to shid. Palmer once considered a special player with unlimited potential has eroded and is now struggling to even tred water, with a dizzying array of hare brained picks.
That throw while falling down encompass the root of my frustration with palmer. While the throw was an athletic marvel to be sure, it was also an awful decision and he was lucky not to have it picked. This is precisely the type of amateurish panic throw that gets him trouble time after after time. More often then not that will get you beat.
Newton is light years better than palmer. He makes better decisions with the football, and he reads the defense better than palmer. Not to mention newtons arm makes palmer look like yours aig.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
How did my boy Barksdale look?
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That guy’s ceiling is about 6 inches above his floor, IMO.
Not much of an option for anything.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I dont know who was or were guilty last nite but our first team Oline was awful. They forgot to pick up the blitz up the middle. Wiz 2.0 better get healthy soon or he is goign to be another Ford. How many times has Wiz 2.0 been injured while with the Raiders. I count at least 3 times.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I dont care about your escrows to be honest….i dont even dig deep like that…I can careless…..you are the one actually obsessed with me Kelly….60 yrs of age acting like you’re 15…come on
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You groupie piece of schit
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You need some Hadlol man….you are nuts
August 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I will enjoy when Carson outplays Cam in Carolina next season.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Next season….this season…same thing
August 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
You know, back in my old neighborhood. we had this fenced-in basketball court. If we ever had two guys who really couldn’t work things out, we would just padlok them into the basktball court, until they worked things out. Sometimes it resulted in an ass whipping, other times they just looked at each other and said “We’re just a couple of damn fools!”
August 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
You got to have that extra sense, AIG.
Part of being a truth-teller
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If you were a truth teller then you would not be hyping up sorry ass Coop lmao
August 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Sounds crazy, but Barnes might be our best offensive lineman RIGHT NOW.
Hopefully, that is subject to change in a month or so.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I will enjoy when Carson outplays Cam in Carolina next season.
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lol you mean if palmer is still in the nfl. He may get cut he could quit, you never know what to expect from this dude
August 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raidertbone Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
You know, back in my old neighborhood. we had this fenced-in basketball court. If we ever had two guys who really couldn’t work things out, we would just padlok them into the basktball court, until they worked things out. Sometimes it resulted in an ass whipping, other times they just looked at each other and said “We’re just a couple of damn fools!”
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I’m surely down for that movement….thats most ways how ppl solved things…then after you move on…thats how it goes with most men….most…not all
August 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Method/B@uce/ReturnofGodliness/BeAlwaysUrself/Brien/RaydaSwagga, etc, etc
You’re a cross-posting piece of crap, stalking groupie.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Everyone loves hyping up Hue’s ability to run power-blocking schemes, and all the awesomeness that brought to our offense.
How many 16 game starters were on that O-line? Who was the least penalized? The most consistant?
Savage
August 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Not only is Barnes (perhaps) our best blocker, but he may also be our second-best TE …
August 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Aig you kill me bra
You said Cam would flop and had no shot in the pros, im glad your jumping on his jock now though.
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I DARE YOU TO FIND ONE POST THAT I SAID CAM NEWTON WOULD NOT BE GOOD IN THE NFL. I AM WILLING TO PAY YOU $500 IF YOU CAN FIND THAT POST. MY EMAIL ADDY IS AIGBOMBERS@GMAIL.COM.
Who’s killing who now? I predicted Cam would be great before last season. As a matter of fact, I used Cam to point out how 100% different he was between him and Jadumpoff JC. Cam carried Auburn and JC rode Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown’s jocks.
I’ll go ahead and ignore the rest of your post.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Bergstrom>Coopster
August 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Kelley’s comments on Kolb are on the face page of Yahoo…excellent
August 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic,
Stop with the “Still in the NFL” thing.
You told us about that with Gradkowski, meanwhile he will definitely recieve an NFL paycheck longer than Jason Campbell will.
And that good Sir, is an offer for a wager.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
How many games has Wiz2 missed?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Im sure after being upclose and cozy with the inner workings in gb BIG MCK IS SICK TO HIS STOMACH WITH WHAT HE IS SEENG FROM THIS OFFENSE.
It is now time to accept the fact that we are going into a full rebuild and will need another year to turn over the roster and rid our team of all inherited trash, and over hyped has beens.
Palmer is now on thin ice, and his playing his way right out of oakland if he contiues on his current trend going back through his final year in cincy
August 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I was fairly impressed with Ausberry’s blocking last night.
If he can keep that up, no need to send Gordon out on some slug-o, post thingy’s like he did yesterday when Carson forced it to him and threw his pick.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Sounds crazy, but Barnes might be our best offensive lineman RIGHT NOW.
Hopefully, that is subject to change in a month or so.
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U may be not far off…but i’ll say Wiz is
August 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Aaron Murray = 2013 1st round pick
Write that down
August 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Wiz is our best Olineman but I fear he’ll never be healthy enough for 16 games.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
“That throw while falling down encompass the root of my frustration with palmer. While the throw was an athletic marvel to be sure, it was also an awful decision and he was lucky not to have it picked. This is precisely the type of amateurish panic throw that gets him trouble time after after time. More often then not that will get you beat.”
This I agree with 100% and I am a huge Palmer worshiper but he looks horrible out there in this Knapp crap offense they are running.
“Newton is light years better than palmer. He makes better decisions with the football, and he reads the defense better than palmer. Not to mention newtons arm makes palmer look like yours aig.”
Palmer may not have it anymore but there was a time when her did and lets be real the guy won a total of 6 NFL games and only played one season its too early to crown him? Let him lead his team to the playoffs and show a few years of consistently kicking ass in his division then we can talk about crowning him.
Palmer used to beat the Steeler’s and Ravens he USED to be a good QB. NOt so sure anymore
August 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
U may be not far off…but i’ll say Wiz is
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That’s why I said “right now”.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
AIG says:I’ll go ahead and ignore the rest of your post.
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Good advise to give yourself.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Wisniewski played injured all season; hasn’t missed a game yet.
So you can’t even consider comparing him to other injury prone players yet.
from what I’ve noticed this training camp, the offense needs to start laying some wood on the defense opponents and ours, they are literally getting their asses kicked.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
With Cam playing the way he is, Jonathan Stewart getting hurt, and that D still pretty bad over there, I wouldn’t be suprised to see Lou Murph put up career highs across the board.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Method/B@uce/ReturnofGodliness/BeAlwaysUrself/Brien/RaydaSwagga, etc, etc
You’re a cross-posting piece of crap, stalking groupie
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Ok scratch the Hadlol..Clozaril is what you need
RaydaSwagger? Come on I’d never spell like that when it comes to RAIDERS…so be serious…not one post have I ever spelled slang for the Raiders on my schit
My other screen names were banned…you know because I have snitches on the blog and I’m hated by Becker…you know this so therefore im not cross posting old man
August 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
2nd best;
Vehldeer is the best, Wisniewski close behind, barnes the most improved.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Palmer is the tin man, and has testicular fortitude akin to a sea slug. He pouts and sulks on the sideline, makes excuses and could lead flys to shid.
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You lose ALL cred the second you say this. Go put in the tape of the Miami and GB games from last year while Palmer is getting the sh** kicked out of him and the team has quit. Palmer is the only one standing in there. And then come back and talk to me about it.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Aig you kill me bra
You said Cam would flop and had no shot in the pros, im glad your jumping on his jock now though.
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I DARE YOU TO FIND ONE POST THAT I SAID CAM NEWTON WOULD NOT BE GOOD IN THE NFL. I AM WILLING TO PAY YOU $500 IF YOU CAN FIND THAT POST. MY EMAIL ADDY IS AIGBOMBERS@GMAIL.COM.
Who’s killing who now? I predicted Cam would be great before last season. As a matter of fact, I used Cam to point out how 100% different he was between him and Jadumpoff JC. Cam carried Auburn and JC rode Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown’s jocks.
I’ll go ahead and ignore the rest of your post.
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if i remember I told you and several others about cam while he was in college and I posted it in a college qb watch list. i had him at the top of my list, while he was starting games at auburn. You and others argued that he wouldnt make it in the pros and compared him to vy. In fact you accused me of touting him because he is black.
You changed your tune before the draft as by that time you had heard all of the hype form the experts on your favorite sports shows
I could be confusing you with one of the other losers that tried this …but i doubt it
August 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I was hoping our solid Dline would make our Oline better. Just like how Jerry Rice made his team’s corners better. But so far not impressed.
On another note, Lamar Houston is playing lights out right now. I think shedding that 20lbs have made him really quick and he’s getting into the backfield.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Glenn im sorry but Palmer stunk in Mia and GB…he gets no pass on that
August 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Streater catches 7 passes for a mere 43yds. Is that a sign of Dink & Dunk or not?
Brien don’t bother responding you stalking piece of schit.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Mistic vs AIG is always a classic but not as epic as Oakglenn vs MistaBrown’s feud
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jerry Rice made his team’s corners better. But so far not impressed.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
The reason I bring up politics on this blog is I trust more of you with post reconstructionist middle east foreign policy than I do with Raider game and personnel issues. And the last days comments in here once again proves my point.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Streater catches 7 passes for a mere 43yds.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Houston lost 20 pounds?
I though he looked quicker.
I just hope DA makes the right personel decisions despite draft position or salary.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
raidertbone Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
You know, back in my old neighborhood. we had this fenced-in basketball court. If we ever had two guys who really couldn’t work things out, we would just padlok them into the basktball court, until they worked things out. Sometimes it resulted in an ass whipping, other times they just looked at each other and said “We’re just a couple of damn fools!”
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nowadays the kids are far more straightforward ….
they invite a posse of their homeies to drive by the other guy with their ‘K’s unlocked and loaded.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Streater catches 7 passes for a mere 43yds. Is that a sign of Dink & Dunk or not?
Brien don’t bother responding you stalking piece of schit.
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If you didnt want me to respond then dont post on this site period…and for the fact you mentioned me means you want my attention lol
August 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Glenn im sorry but Palmer stunk in Mia and GB…he gets no pass on that
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He was terrible. But the point is he did not quit. The team quit.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Again, more Time of Possession, Less points.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Mistic,
You’re an absolute moron. Your homer for Black QB makes you blind about everybody else. For the record, I have always like VY so your logic is thrown out the window. If you havent noticed, I like QBs that carry their teams. VY won a bunch of games when he replaced that other QB in Tenn. You can find many posts on here that I wanted Al to pick up VY. Now go do some research before you try to take me on.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
In the gb game palmers sock were just as yellow as the packers helmets. he pizzed his pants in the first quarter and we never had a chance, agaisnt one of the worst defenses in football!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
A couple of things really jumped out at me from last night: lst off, Wisenhunt challenged his team to go out and be physical against us last night. Zona had played poorly their lst two games. Other than the Dline, we really did not answer that challenge. Especially on our Oline. 2ndly, McClain reverted back to the bad POS play we have seen the last two full seasons.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I think what we have learned so far this preseason, and what I mocked would happen before it started, was the chronic overreaction of the practice/training camp tweets.
-DVD looks great!!! LOL…still sucks.
-Palmer is in complete control!!! Those seams are starting to fray
-Goodson looks like a great complimentary back!! OK..until they start this annoying thing called tackling.
Peter King in SI listed his 5 most impressive players so far in training camps. Taiwan Jones was on the list with Julio Jones and Antonio Gates, LOL.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Kirk Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Houston lost 20 pounds?
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Yes I heard from Greg Papa or someone else that mentioned it.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Streater catches 7 passes for a mere 43yds. Dink & Dunk Offense.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Mistic,
You’re an absolute moron. Your homer for Black QB makes you blind about everybody else. For the record, I have always like VY so your logic is thrown out the window. If you havent noticed, I like QBs that carry their teams. VY won a bunch of games when he replaced that other QB in Tenn. You can find many posts on here that I wanted Al to pick up VY. Now go do some research before you try to take me on.
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I can vouch for this because i surely was against VY….whoops wait im black so does that make me a sellout? lol
August 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Oh yeah, and Jack Crawford was a beast one day in practice, logging like 19 sacks or something.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
uhmmm….Peter King doesnt know jack about the Raiders or most team’s back up players. He’s not at camp to focus on one team. I prefer Chris Hansen from Bleacher Report. Dude seems to know his stuff.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Kirk Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Houston lost 20 pounds?
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Yes I heard from Greg Papa or someone else that mentioned it.
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He told me in May face to face that he was 305…aint that was he is listed as?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Mistic,
You’re an absolute moron. Your homer for Black QB makes you blind about everybody else. For the record, I have always like VY so your logic is thrown out the window. If you havent noticed, I like QBs that carry their teams. VY won a bunch of games when he replaced that other QB in Tenn. You can find many posts on here that I wanted Al to pick up VY. Now go do some research before you try to take me on.
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I like the way you tried to wiggle out of that folks, but you have just confirmed what i said about you. You told me then that you liked vy but you admitted that he ws a head case. You with others pointed to cams dad as a character flaw. you said he ws an athlete that wouldnt be able to lead or consistently read the defense, like vy.
Pretty sure that was you lol
August 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Did Jack Crawford play yesterday?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
What’s with Houston’s bleached blond thing going on?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
You with others pointed to cams dad as a character flaw. you said he ws an athlete that wouldnt be able to lead or consistently read the defense, like vy.
Pretty sure that was you lol
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Mistic,
Dont make crap up. Admit you were wrong about me and we can move on. Trying to make crap up is just stupid. To refresh your memory, I like Cam, Tebow, Pryor and YES Troy Smith. Why? I have seen them carry their teams unlike that dude JC that rode other’s jocks. Speaking of which where is JC now? Can you enlighten me?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
From the great Lawrence Fan at San Jose State, @Raiders LB Carl Ihenacho did the strip sack-turnover three times as a Spartan @Cihenacho
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Have seen him consistently play in the other team’s backfield this year. Hope we keep him and I think RM will.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
What’s with Houston’s bleached blond thing going on?
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Brown……but homeboy had M&M earrings at the wedding in MY….special character lol…originally from San Jose
August 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I was hoping our solid Dline would make our Oline better. Just like how Jerry Rice made his team’s corners better. But so far not impressed.
On another note, Lamar Houston is playing lights out right now. I think shedding that 20lbs have made him really quick and he’s getting into the backfield.
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A defensive scheme that plays to his strengths instead of expecting him play a 1970s-style DE can help.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
anyhow…yall stay solid….im outro
CODE BLACK 2012
August 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Palmer stunk it up last night even Lienart looked better and you guys know I am a Palmer supporter here all day and night I talk about how good he is going to be this year.
Palmer was barely getting Hue’s offense last year and had a couple of games where he looked good in it and maybe if this still was Hues offense he might look OK…..BUT I have serious doubts after watching last night game that he should be running a West Coast offense!!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Have seen him consistently play in the other team’s backfield this year. Hope we keep him and I think RM will.
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I like Ihenacho alot. Played DE/OLB at San Jose and had some pretty amazing stats. I think he also got his degree in 3 yrs.
Yea, I’m rootin for the dude.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
In the gb game palmers sock were just as yellow as the packers helmets. he pizzed his pants in the first quarter and we never had a chance, agaisnt one of the worst defenses in football!!!
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Yeah, and you really had to blame Palmer when we had lst down and goal to go from the one and could not get one freaking yard. What was Palmer doing on those handoffs?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
“A defensive scheme that plays to his strengths instead of expecting him play a 1970s-style DE can help.”
Now can we get an offensive scheme that can play to our players strengths?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I will thoroughly enjoy watching Sanchez shat the bed here shortly, and cause more media eruption.
I know you guys hate the Jets all-day media stuff, but if you can’t beat em join em I say.
Let’s go New York Giants!!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Yesterday, facing 3rd and 1 from the goalline, I think for the first time ever, I wish we had Jamarcus back.
He was great at QB sneaks!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I will thoroughly enjoy watching Sanchez shat the bed here shortly, and cause more media eruption.
I know you guys hate the Jets all-day media stuff, but if you can’t beat em join em I say.
Let’s go New York Giants!!
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Hey I got two tix in Section 142 for Opening Night in the new meadowlands!!! Anyone going?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I think that Knapp forcing this damn west coast offense on us will set us back when we were 9th last year and headed in the right direction.
The defense was what needed to be changed NOT the offense WTF!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Lamar Houston wants his hair to appear burnt orange! Hook em Horns!lol
August 18th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
anyhow…yall stay solid….im outro
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Good, you stalking piece of schit.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
“A defensive scheme that plays to his strengths instead of expecting him play a 1970s-style DE can help.”
Now can we get an offensive scheme that can play to our players strengths?
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Wait until the regular season and see if we have that or not. DMAC seems to have taken to this scheme fine.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
KK
Put on some Barry Manilow and take a bong rip.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Defense is better, Penalties down. Return game is still horrible.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Wait until the regular season and see if we have that or not. DMAC seems to have taken to this scheme fine.
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Yeah, 9 carries for 34 yds.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Question of the day: If running backs are a dime a dozen, why doesn’t Reggie spend a buck and sign 120 of them ??
Only saw the bits and pieces of the game on the NFLN, but here goes anyway:
Knapp and the ZBS….PFFFFFFFT. They both stink.
A top notch OC designs and calls plays best suited to get the most out of each player’s individual talents. Is Knapp doing that when he expects TIM Palmer to roll out ? Was there a reason DMAC told Hue he preferred more power plays ?
Knapp is asking players to fit into his system (which is crap anyway) instead of modifying his system to maximize production from his players.
The Kubiak/Knapp Houston offensive style is NOT Raider ball. Too many roll this way, throw that way, boots. Too many short crosses. Raider ball emphasizes stretching the field vertically, not horizontally.
Raider ball should be lining up and smashmouthing the man in front of you, not this ZBS poossy stuff with it’s dirty backside cut blocking.
Dennis Allen: Will be watching closely to see what kind of balls he has. He could have gone for it on 4th and goal from the 1 in a pre-season game, but took a FG instead. Guess Jani needed practice hitting an 18 yarder. Could have thrown a challenge flag on the play DMAC was ruled out of bounds. So what if you lose the challenge ? That was close enough, and the call important enough to make a challenge worthwhile. Also going to question him, for not criticizing TIM at all for the pick against Dallas. It’s ok to defend the play call and say you want to take shots – but how about saying maybe TIM should have looked the Safety off or thrown it away ?
Defense: Looks much better, but before we break our arms patting ourselves on the back – keep in mind we were facing a depleted Dallas squad, and Kevin Knob. Most importantly, keep in mind that Tarver reportedly was throwing the kitchen sink at AZ, in the form of blitzes and stunting. You SHOULD dominate doing this in pre-season.
Will be watching to see if Slowlando actually plugged a gap and tackled a RB at some point last night. Williams was running pretty easy on AZ’s first touchdown drive. Where was Slow or the other LB’s ?
TIM Palmer: If TIM isn’t able to limit the picks, this season is going nowhere fast. We might be in trouble when people are saying Matty freaking Lice looks better.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
West Coast scheme would have looked great if DHB caught the ball and Palmer didn’t lead McFadden OOB.
That McFadden play was some brilliant OC’ing in my eyes. Spread the field so the safety couldn’t get over in time, and no LB in this league has a chance in hell staying with Darren.
Yet Carson threw it like it was an Eli Manning SB pass that needed to thread the needle down the sideline.
Terrible, terrible pass, worse so than the INT in my eyes, because it should be a throw NFL QB’s make 99 times out of 100.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Reg and DA kept Saunders around for a reason. I don’t know what that reason is though.
Maybe he is plan B.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Worst offensive player yesterday behind Goodson and Palmer, was probably Briesel.
He was awful!!!!!!
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Briesel didn’t play that badly i didn’t think. Wiz didn’t play yesterday. That was Parsons starting.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
When are the 1st cut?
August 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Will be watching to see if Slowlando actually plugged a gap and tackled a RB at some point last night.
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I believe the 2nd drive he had a RB in space 1 on 1, and flattened him.
Also was a beast on the blitz.
Did get picked on the goalline TD, and reverted back to a slow graze out to the corner, but he had no chance on that play.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
“LuvMarvHub…not really a good comparison IMO.
“Tebow was a 1st rounder.Pryor a third.Tebow looked like me when dropping back to throw….but looked like OJ when he took off and ran.Pryor was basically an option QB in the shotgun at OSU and is acknowledged as a project
from the getgo.They are basically nailing his feet to the ground and saying ‘throw the rock’.”
We need a third string QB, period, not a project. In the NFL coaches’ time is at premium. They can’t coach up a guy who really hasn’t the skill set necessary for a particular position, esp. the time-intensive position of qb. In addition, every roster spot is crucial to making the playoffs. We can’t afford to waste one.
This kid is not going to be an NFL first string qb, ever. Sure, if you could put him back in a top-notch program as a college freshman, then coach him to be an under center, drop back pocket qb who is mobile, and give him 3 years to play top quality opponents, he has the physical attributes that he MIGHT have been pro-ready. I say MIGHT because not even a top-notch pro-style college program can make a talented athlete and accurate passer.
However we might wish he had had that preparation, he didn’t, and the NFL is not the place he can be given that prep now.
Either let him learn and compete at another position or use him in some trick plays or let him go. Period.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Knapp’s got 1 TD in 2 games.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
speaking of ROMAC
I heard Papa said they made him show up to camp at 260lbs this year. Holy cow. That means he has been playing at much heavier weight. How many 260+lbs MLB are there in this league? ROMAC weighs more than some starting DE in this league as a MLB. Wow.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
He looks a lot skinnier, that’s for sure.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“Put on some Barry Manilow and take a bong rip.”
LMFAO I would pay to see that!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Knapp’s got 1 TD in 2 games.
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Which is the same as Hue last year at this time.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Knapp’s got 1 TD in 2 games.
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We’ve scored more points than we did last year through 2 preseason games.
And like I said, I believe we will score more points this season than last season.
So far, we’re ahead of the pace!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Since when they let Porn Stars buy NFL Teams?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/
August 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Aaron Murray is a very interesting prospect..
Like I said last time… I compare his game to Andy Dalton. Dalton is about 1 inch taller but besides that they are very similar QB’s.
I can see Murray being taken around the beginning of the 2nd round also
August 18th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
The Pats got Demps.
August 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Did get picked on the goalline TD, and reverted back to a slow graze out to the corner, but he had no chance on that play.
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A Slo graze ? Man, I love that.
Moooolando mania !
August 18th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@504, hahaha you must be referring to Khan aka Ron Jeremy. Believe it or not, Ron started out trying to be a legit actor before he got into porn.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Rolando’s biggest issue is getting caught up in traffic, and not really navigating around it. Seems like a lack of instincts issue.
But you send him on a blitz, and he shows great awareness and instincts, gets a great jump off the snap.
One of his blitzes on Kolb, he was coming off the edge obviously to pinch it in. But he realized the pressure was coming up front as well, and broke off and took the outside edge, right where Kolb thought was his exit, instead he got blasted by Rolando.
He might really excel as a 3-4 OLB, with his ability to rush the passer.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
speaking of ROMAC
I heard Papa said they made him show up to camp at 260lbs this year. Holy cow. That means he has been playing at much heavier weight. How many 260+lbs MLB are there in this league? ROMAC weighs more than some starting DE in this league as a MLB. Wow.
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He looks like a guard out there with the LB’s. Unfortunately he has played like a guard out there with the LB’s.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
You guys watching NFL Network? See that big Shrimp Po-Boy. Wilcots can’t keep his fingers off it. Think I’m gonna go get one tonight for dinner.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
504-send me one.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
I’ll take one and top it off with those doughnut things you guys make as well.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Any feelings yet about what kind of game day General, DA is going to be ?
Hue was the ultimate risk taker. Fake punts. Fake FGs. Keep it on the ground and run clock? – Hell no, throw for the first. Might have overdone it – no, scratch that – he did go overboard…but there was no doubt Hue had balls the size of cantaloupes.
DA ? 4TH and goal from the 1, in the first quarter of a pre-season game? – LET’S TAKE THE FG ! This is the same guy talking up taking shots when exhonorating TIM’s pick against the Cowgirls.
Say what you want about Hue’s overall ability as a game day manager – (going for it on 4th down, from the 1 yard line against Cleveland, up by 14 pts with 4 mins to go!! – not going for 2 against the Lions. Damn , he sucked), but he was exciting as hell.
DA might be a snoozer.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
DA seems a bit tentative, but he is a defensive guy, so while Hue was aggressive offensively and chose to do nothing but blame others defensively, DA will probably be very aggressive defensively, and be a tad bland offensively.
I welcome the change.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
head coaches usually stick to vanilla during preseason’s.
Fake FG’s, trick plays, etc are saved for the reg season.
I’m sure Knapp is also saving something.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
head coaches usually stick to vanilla during preseason’s.
Fake FG’s, trick plays, etc are saved for the reg season.
I’m sure Knapp is also saving something.
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Yup. Also, I don’t much care how boring DA is, as long as we win.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
You guys watching NFL Network? See that big Shrimp Po-Boy. Wilcots can’t keep his fingers off it. Think I’m gonna go get one tonight for dinner.
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Oooh man. Shrimp Po Boy. Wow does THAT sound good right about now.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
It’s hard to not have a knee-jerk reaction to a lot of the preseason stuff, but I can’t help but wonder about certain things. What if Jacoby Ford doesn’t drop those passes in the first game, how better do those drives end up looking?
What if DHB and Streater don’t drop passes in the endzone last night, how much better morale does that give our offense? What if we simply push Carson forward when we have the ball on the goalline?
What if Palmer doesn’t force passes that don’t make any sense? What if The Raider Nation’s pride didn’t become as flimsy as a twig over the past decade?
What if god was one of us? Why is Jadakiss as hard as it gets..
August 18th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Why did Denzel have to be crooked before he took it?
August 18th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Any feelings yet about what kind of game day General, DA is going to be ?
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Hard to say from the preseason. Altho I have to say I am disappointed Allen sent out the FG teams for short FG’s on 4th and short near the goal line. That made no sense to me.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I thought the late FG even made less sense. Might as well let Pryor wing it, and if you don’t want to tie, just go for 2 if you score.
The 18 yard FG is a bit silly, except when factoring in a struggling offense. How much worse would things be if we failed on 4th and 1? It was kind of a morale saving thing.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DHB didn’t drop the pass in the end zone.An All-Pro safety broke up the play.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/2012-Preseason-Week-2/b845e51e-6941-439c-8a54-dec23fa326ab#196d3960-507c-409d-8485-f546c7aa7bea
August 18th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Wilson made a nice play, but I would like to be at the point where our #1 WR makes a nicer play to offset the nice play by the defense.
Like the D-Moore catch in Buffalo between 2 DB’s.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DHB didn’t drop the pass in the end zone.An All-Pro safety broke up the play.
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I don’t know. A ball right in your bread basket should have been caught. Same with Streaters ball. And the throw to Dmac on the boundary looked like a completion to me as well.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
head coaches usually stick to vanilla during preseason’s.
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Yeah, well, it didn’t look like Tarver was sticking to vanilla.
Didnt see the entire game, but from what I did see, we weren’t vanilla on defense.
Stunting. Blitzing. Balls to the wall.
Really did NOT expect that in the pre-season.
You’d expect good results throwing THAT at opposing offenses in the pre-season.
Good that our guys seem to be picking it up very well. But you should also keep in mind that it might not be such a good idea to show your cards this early. Success against unprepared offenses in the preseason doesn’t necessarily translate to similar success once offenses see what you’ve got and have time to make preparations and adjustments.
There’s reason to stay vanilla on BOTH offense AND defense in the pre-season.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
That pass was incomplete no matter who the WR was.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderduck,you can’t believe someone from the new regime can make a mistake.we all want them too win but they are not all right and al Davis was all wrong.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
What if Jacoby Ford doesn’t drop those passes in the first game,
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I’m just about done with Jocoby “broke down” Ford. Not because of the drops. His injuries are like a fkn plague.
During the off season JFB wanted the Raiders to trade him because of that. I was totally against the idea.
Starting to change my mind.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
It’s great that Tarver is being creative and getting our guys versed in the new system.
First year in the system, you have to sacrifice putting some stuff on film, for the sake of having your guys comfy in the new scheme.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Plunkett even criticized last nite’s playcalling, on a 3rd and 9, the Raiders threw it 7 yds. Saying “I’m old school, at least throw the ball for first down yardage”.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
The thing that REALLY concerned me in this last game were special teams. Other than some chip shot FG’s their were no returns from us, there were penalties from us, big returns for them, blocked punts for them, etc. Hard to see some bright spots out of special teams yesterday.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
KK
Good point, some of Knapp’s calls had me pissed as well.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Post 608
Very True I did remember Plunkett calling that out but I also remember him saying that when there’s plays like that the wideout needs to adjust his route.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I partly wanted to trade Jacoby, for the simple fact we had no draft picks, and he could get us some decent value. I’m all about the value.
I’m glad The Reggie was trying to be creative, but just schlepping off Lou Murph for a 6th or 7th round pick is not much value.
I think, we could have got a late 3rd or 4th rounder for Jacoby.
Of course, that’s what I think. For what we know, Reg tried to do so and there were no takers.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Who was the personal protector on the punt block?
Whoever it was = epic fail
August 18th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I would have like to see DMAC in space on the goal line, not running straight forward.imo
August 18th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Watching Jack/NO on NFLN and the announcers are constantly criticizing the officials.It is too bad that never do the same with the regular officials when they deserve it.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Chuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderduck,you can’t believe someone from the new regime can make a mistake.we all want them too win but they are not all right and al Davis was all wrong.
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I can totally believe Reggie, DA, etc. can make mistakes. But we don’t know if they have and what those are yet. Reggie had a MAMMOTH cleanup job to do, and has done pretty well. There will be mistakes and bumps in the road, but some on this board are calling for everyone’s head based on two preseason games.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I’d have liked to see Pryor and DMAC as WR’s on the goal line, myself.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Yeah, well, it didn’t look like Tarver was sticking to vanilla.
Didnt see the entire game, but from what I did see, we weren’t vanilla on defense.
Stunting. Blitzing. Balls to the wall.
Really did NOT expect that in the pre-season.
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Maybe that WAS Tarver’s version of “vanilla.”
August 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
The 18 yard FG is a bit silly, except when factoring in a struggling offense. How much worse would things be if we failed on 4th and 1? It was kind of a morale saving thing.
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Comes back to being a snoozer or risk taker.
Really, what kind of morale boost are you getting by taking the FG? Answer is NONE.
Sure, going for the TD and failing is going to lower morale, but it’s a RISK you take.
You should have the mindset that you can gain a fking yard.
Ain’t the end of the world if you don’t get it. You got them pinned at their own one.
It’s pre-season for gawds sake. Set the tone. Show some confidence you can score from the one.
Kicking the FG there is the easy way out and far too conservative in the pre-season.
DA might be a snoozer. I don’t like snoozers. In general, snoozers are losers.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
DA might be a snoozer. I don’t like snoozers. In general, snoozers are losers.
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What? LOTS of successful NFL head coaches have been “snoozers,” to use your term. To name a few: Bill Belichick, Joe Gibbs, Chuck Noll, and Tom Landry would bore you to tears with their conservative playcalling. And they all won.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I also agree in going for it on 4th at the 1 yd line, everytime.
August 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
zbs blows..
August 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Really, what kind of morale boost are you getting by taking the FG? Answer is NONE.
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Agreed, that’s why I said “risk-saving”. Didn’t gain any morale, but didn’t lose any more.
Sometimes you got to fold the pocket Queen’s man, your just going to lose more by calling.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
After not scoring last week it is possible the coach just wanted to get some points on the board.Besides,from looking at the plays that were run at the goal line it didn’t seem they were that worried about getting it in-vanilla at its best.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
After not scoring last week it is possible the coach just wanted to get some points on the board.Besides,from looking at the plays that were run at the goal line it didn’t seem they were that worried about getting it in-vanilla at its best.
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I was thinking that too. DA knows what a “scoreless curse” can do to players, even in the preseason.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
What up NATION?
August 18th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
2nd team olinemen NIX looked good yesterday.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
What up Thec
August 18th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Some other interesting stats from the 2012 two preseason games.
Raiders opponents
TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 40 26
THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 10/29 7/21
FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 0/1 0/1
TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 537 424
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 202 181
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 335 243
SACKS 6.0 3.0
FIELD GOALS 4/6 2/2
TOUCHDOWNS 2 4
TIME OF POSSESSION 34:28 25:32
August 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
John Condo looked bad
August 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
What up Thec? Points on the board at least!
August 18th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
McCheese would make a play then get guess incorectly.
We will see better play out of him however, he does not have the instincts nor awareness to be top notch.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
What up Thec? Points on the board at least!
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What up Tx? Yeah at least…Biggest concern is
TJONES
DMO
JFORD
DHB
We need ALL of the guys on the field the 10th of sept.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RFL
Shows us how stats can look nice, but turn-overs are killerz.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Whats good Purple? Hope all is well.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
I know it presea bu dam it you have to punch it in at the 1. In these practice games i would NEVER kick a field goal. Go for it…
August 18th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Thec
If the trend continues with DVD and Goody, do you think Grant RB and McFadden DB would be better options?
August 18th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
636
Endorsed.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I also agree in going for it on 4th at the 1 yd line, everytime.
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If the 1st unit D continues to play like it has been, I agree with this.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Thec Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
McCheese would make a play then get guess incorectly.
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He looked awful out there. Again.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
TJONES
DMO
JFORD
DHB
It is important to the O that these guys get well now.
We saw it lastt night early, teams are going to stack the box, and attempt to take DMAC away.
The guys lsted above will keep the D honest.
We NEED these guys on the field.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Dennis Allen on 4th downs and meaningless FG’s. Either he is waaaay to conservative or he’s keeping his cards close to his chest by not wanting to show the rest of the league what a gambler he is!
I sure hope it’s the latter.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Bizzaro world, most of the blog was worried about the D, now its the O that is not living up to presea expectations…Wild.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
1st & goal, you can’t score? Twice??? c’mon man.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Thec Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Bizzaro world, most of the blog was worried about the D, now its the O that is not living up to presea expectations…Wild.
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Yup. Don’t forget that we’ve scored MORE points than at the comparable point last year, and people are calling for the OC’s head!
August 18th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
He looked awful out there. Again.
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I watched the balt game yesterday. Best Lb on balt was available this year for a pitance. I do not even think we made an attempt to get him. He was flay out beastin yesterday… Jameel McClain.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Thec
If the trend continues with DVD and Goody, do you think Grant RB and McFadden DB would be better
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Grant for sure would be a good pickup. Which McFadden do you mean? The one we cut last year or the ex-squealer?
August 18th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Thec Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
TJONES
DMO
JFORD
DHB
It is important to the O that these guys get well now.
We saw it lastt night early, teams are going to stack the box, and attempt to take DMAC away.
The guys lsted above will keep the D honest.
We NEED these guys on the field.
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@643 also
I was yellin’ at the TV last night “So now we do D, but nothin else?”lol
August 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
1st & goal, you can’t score? Twice??? c’mon man.
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Exactly… I am putting 8-9 olinmen on the field on 4th down. We are going to run it down your throat, try to stop us.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
647
Bryant Mcfadden, unless Reg has a waiver guy in mind. I have always thought Chekwa could play though, and at least Spencer can tackle.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I don’t know what other people are seeing but Palmer didn’t play a bad half. I think late in the 2nd quarter he was 10 for 15. And that includes DHB dropping one in the end zone Dmac not getting credited for a reception and a big play to Marcel Reece being called back by a hold. He seemed to be playing OK. The fumble by Goodson knocked the offense out of rhythmn is the way it seemed to me.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
What happend to Korn yesterday was in humane.
Wonder if he is still shell shocked?
Tarver is diabolical.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Thec Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
What happend to Korn yesterday was in humane.
Wonder if he is still shell shocked?
Tarver is diabolical.
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Jason “The Mad Scientist” Tarver. I think we may have picked a winner for d-coordinator.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
652
LOL Truth
August 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Lucas NIX, my sleeper olinemen looked good protecting Liono.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Raiders should have drafted Luck. He bona fide.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I think our defense will be top 10 at worse,if we can win the turnover battle we will make the playoffs.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I will say this, it was a grat idea keeping ASAUNDERS around. Not sure ow it is going to play out however, I feel good knowing he is lurking, and working.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
1st & goal, you can’t score? Twice??? c’mon man.
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Knapp is not bona fide. Palmer needs to call his own plays, word.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
The Village Idiot Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Raiders should have drafted Luck. He bona fide.
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How do you propose we could have done that?
August 18th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
To name a few: Bill Belichick, Joe Gibbs, Chuck Noll, and Tom Landry would bore you to tears with their conservative playcalling.
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Forget about overall conservative play calling for a moment. We’re talking about going for it on 4th and goal right now. Put aside whether you think Landry and Bellichick run conservative offenses or not (I happen to disagree with that premise. Landry was the master of the gimmick play and Bellichick passes like crazy with Brady). We’re not talking whether Knapp’s playcalling is too conservative or whether Marty Schittenheimer’s offenses were too conservative.
We’re talking about a specific choice a coach has to make which gives you a clue as to what kind of balls he has and whether he’s a risk taker.
Bellichick will go for it on 4th and one from his own 20 late in a game. That’s what I’m talking about.
It’s WAY too early to come to a conclusion about the size of DA’s balls and willingness to take risks. But I didn’t like the decision to kick the FG and hope it’s not an indication that he’s going to be averse to risk taking.
Guys that don’t take risks are snoozers. And snoozers are generally losers.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I am not going in just yet on KNAPP however, sept 10th he better be electrifying…
August 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Palmer is not a dink and dunk rinky-dink qb. He’s got some balls but cant fit them into Knapps tea cup.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
We need to keep Miller.
He looked good and durable.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
647
Bryant Mcfadden, unless Reg has a waiver guy in mind. I have always thought Chekwa could play though, and at least Spencer can tackle.
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He would be good for depth. RM will be shopping after the cuts for sure. We may need to pick up a TE, RB & CB
August 18th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Knapp puts me to sleep.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Did anyone here word on Myles Wade NT? We had him in however, I have here nada.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
hear
August 18th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Thec Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Did anyone here word on Myles Wade NT? We had him in however, I have here nada.
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We have the $$$ and we have the roster spots, so the dude musta sucked.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
The Village Idiot Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Raiders should have drafted Luck. He bona fide.
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How do you propose we could have done that?
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Several ways my friend.
1) traded up in the draft
2) tanked the season as a team, cuz the D sure as hell did.
3) traded for him.
4) he could have let the Colts know he didn’t want to play for them sans eli manning and SD.
5) afterall, Stanford is right in our backyard. No way he shouldn’t have come here.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
testing
August 18th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
No practice for #Raiders today. Conference call with coach Dennis Allen at 6 p.m. Blog post, Tweets to follow. Back in Napa on Sunday.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
The Village Idiot Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Palmer is not a dink and dunk rinky-dink qb. He’s got some balls but cant fit them into Knapps tea cup.
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Agreed, I don’t think this suits his game.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Thec Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I am not going in just yet on KNAPP however, sept 10th he better be electrifying…
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Most of the nation cringed when he was brought in as OC again, but I doubt he’s had the talent to work with that he has here. At least I’m hoping. We need to get him a TE to add to the arsenal.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
testing
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Agree.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Lefty #615
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Interesting to see all this moaning over the replacements. Sure, they’re a bit disorganized but I don’t see the big deal with the calls themselves. Maybe they miss a call here and there but the regulars weren’t perfect either. As far as I’m concerned, they can keep clowns like Triplette and Hochuli on the couch, 2 of the more notorious refs known for calling lots of penalties just because they want a little air time. In fact, is it any wonder that the crew that calls the most penalties of any other has a buffed out ref. Tell me that’s just a coincidence. lol.
It’s all a joke, Left. If the regulars were so good, there wouldn’t a difference of 5 penalties per game on average between certain officiating crews. They should all be calling these games the same.
The biggest concern clearly is protecting the players, and I get that. But the replacements last night caught both dirty hits against our QBs and even called one against DHB that some would argue was a little ticky tack. I see no issue.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Time to disapear…
ALL you guys enjoy the weekend. If our weapons dont come back, its going to be a tough row to ho.
1 NATION
August 18th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Would like to remind Village that we were 7-4 at one point last season and had already traded picks for Palmer. Even if we lost every game (we nearly did!) trading up to get Luck was a near impossibility.
That Luck played for Stanford is irrelevant.
I agree Luck is the real deal. But there was no way the Raids could have gotten him.
Just our luck, when we’ve got the overall nbr 1 and need a QB, there isn’t a QB like Luck or even RGIII on the board.
No, we get stuck with that bloated piece of whaleshiit Jamoron.
If the Raids had gotten a Luck or any franchise QB instead of JaMoron, we’d be legit SB contenders right now. I feel sure of that.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Alex Parsons is a project.
Or is that Alan Parsons?
August 18th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Once again then I’ll drop it and let you believe and write anything you wish,but-DHBdid NOT drop that pass in the end zone.An All-Pro Safety had his arm inside and knocked down the ball.There is nothing wrong with giving credit to an opposing player when they make a good play.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
678 true.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RM99
I know we couldnt get Luck, tho I wish we did. I like CP3 a lot, but for the long haul i think, the good teams to come will be Indy, Skins, Panthers and the Phins. If you are a young QB, and your pretty good, seems like teams are thrusting 1st and 2nd yr QBs right into the mix. I think Locker will be good sooner than later, but not this year.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Kirk Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Alex Parsons is a project.
Or is that Alan Parsons?
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Don’t Answer Me.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Once again then I’ll drop it and let you believe and write anything you wish,but-DHBdid NOT drop that pass in the end zone.An All-Pro Safety had his arm inside and knocked down the ball.There is nothing wrong with giving credit to an opposing player when they make a good play.
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Agreed.
I’ll take it a step further and say that DHB using his body to catch the ball in that situation was the proper thing to do.
There are times cradling the ball with a body catch is the right way to go.
This was one of them.
Just a good defensive play.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
One thing I noticed this year with the defense is that we used to play a lot of ten men at the line of scrimage, which I thought was stupid. This year we are have more field balance with the linebackers off the line. The way we used to play, once runners got past the LOS, it was off to the races.
August 18th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Alan Parsons Project> T.P. Project
Used to love me some APP back in the day!
August 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
We have not seen the full potential of the TP Project.
Running and throwing from the shotgun….
August 18th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Well I was wrong about this DVD kid.
Can’t win em all.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
How can you play football all your life, make it to the NFL, and NOT be able to tackle.
Last line of defense is non existant with that ype of effort.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
DVD will have a long career in the league. Why? Because he looks so good when he practices, and that’ll fool at lot of coaches. But when he gets on the field…
August 18th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
690 Game film doesn’t lie.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
689 that’s like a porn star not bein able to come through on the money shot! LOL Hope e figyres it out soon.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I’ll take it a step further and say that DHB using his body to catch the ball in that situation was the proper thing to do.
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Disagree with the semis here. By waiting for the ball to get into his body, he allows the safety to make a play on it. If he tries to catch it with his hands (well i doubt he could that), he at least has a chance to catch it and secure it while potentially getting a PI flag. I have seen my fair share of opposing WRs catching the ball with their hands and our guys still can’t knock it out.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Victor Cruz is one tough hombre.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
nice point AIG hands is where it’s at, it does give a chance at the P I penalty for sure.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
J Hill Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
How can you play football all your life, make it to the NFL, and NOT be able to tackle.
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There’s a guy in Canton that couldnt and wouldnt tackle as a CB. I think he used to call himself Primetime.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Let’s not compare DVD to Primetime.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Everyone knows you hate DHB,AIG.No matter what he does you’ll find something to complain about.Too bad you have such a difficult time giving someone credit for making a good play,even if he isn’t on the team you root for.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
J Hill Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Well I was wrong about this DVD kid.
Can’t win em all.
How can you play football all your life, make it to the NFL, and NOT be able to tackle.
Last line of defense is non existant with that ype of effort.
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He wasn’t consistently outweighed by 30 lbs when he played at lower levels.
Now that you’ve given up on him, I fully expect him to put on 20 lbs of bulk, not lose any speed, and develop into an all-pro.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
697,
He was a shut down corner, that played as fast in an NFL game as he sprinted a forty time at the combine.
When the defense knows you’re going to get ints, score off of them, keep the WR from making the big play, they can adjust/compensate for weakness against the run.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
JH, if DVD ever makes it, it will be based on his ability to cover. Pretty obvious based on his size alone, he’s always going to struggle being even an adequate tackler.
You want a better reason for giving up on him ? Rewatch his coverage on the 3rd and long play at about 12:30 of the 3rd qtr against Dallas.
He is toasted there. Badly. Doesn’t hold correct position against the WR. Allows the WR to get behind him, even though the WR isn’t running a go. Gets his back turned to the LOS. No clue what type of route the WR will take or where the ball is.
Very easy reception on a 3rd and long. Wasn’t an accident the Pokes went at him.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Lefty,
Would you throw to DHB on critical 3rd downs? Are my criticism of DHB unfounded? Can DHB adjusts to the ball like Criner?
I would not throw to him on 3rd downs, no my criticism of him are not unfounded, and no he cannot adjust to the deep ball. Tim Brown was the guy that brought up that issue a few years ago and nothing DHB has done to prove me wrong. You’re in your 4th year and want a starting job in the nfl? Make the effin play. Plain and simple. If DHB was on another team, you wouldnt be this patient with him. DHB is Braylon Edwards with a better attitude. There’s a reason Braylon is barely hanging on and DHB will be the same a few yrs from now.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
KK,
No I was not comparing DVD to Primetime. I was merely being comical answering Hill’s comment about lack of tackling while playing football all your life. DVD is light years away from being anyting resembling a poor man’s primetime.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Post 701 – Solid. A good db has to have a football clock in his head. DVD is all about speed and cannot grasp what the other guy is doing. Chekwa isnt great but he showed his db clock yesterday.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
While Al’s knack for finding gems lasted until the end of his life, he also took WAY too many athletes who couldn’t really play. DVD may have been the last of these.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
IMO,yes,your criticisms of him are unfounded.Last year he proved to be our most consistent WR.Moore might have more upside but if he is always injured upside doesn’t mean much.If you want to criticize someone for that play last night blame Palmer.If that pass is thrown low the receiver can go down and the safety couldn’t have gotten his arm in and knocked the ball down.As far as Criner goes,I haven’t seen anything yet to make me believe he is this outstanding WR.Not saying it won’t happen,but so far he hasn’t shown it.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Duck,or that guy could be #6.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Duck, or that guy could be #6.
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Jury’s still out on Pryor, IMHO.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
IMO,yes,your criticisms of him are unfounded.Last year he proved to be our most consistent WR.Moore might have more upside but if he is always injured upside doesn’t mean much.If you want to criticize someone for that play last night blame Palmer.If that pass is thrown low the receiver can go down and the safety couldn’t have gotten his arm in and knocked the ball down.As far as Criner goes,I haven’t seen anything yet to make me believe he is this outstanding WR.Not saying it won’t happen,but so far he hasn’t shown it.
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Sorry, have to disagree here even though I have nothing against DHB and think he will be just fine. QB’s job is to get it to the hands of the receiver. Ideally, yes, you place it in the perfect spot, but as long as the receiver can get 2 hands on it, he should catch it…100 times out of 100.
Played receiver in my day and that’s the mentality I had. There weren’t many that I dropped.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Agreed and I refuse to give up on him yet,but he could still be that guy.
August 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Lefty,
Again, would you throw to DHB on 3rd downs? I didnt see your answer. With Moore, yes I’d throw to him on any downs. DHB is a one trick pony. Catch the comeback route and runs with the ball. That’s all he is. In his career, I saw him catch one deep ball in garbage time against the Pats last year. The ball landed in his thighs. So DHB wouldnt be a starter on my team or, as B puts it, any playoff team.
What exactly did DHB go last year? He didnt even crack 1k yds. Because he was so AWFUL his first 2 years and was forced fed under AD, he finally did something resembling a mediocre WR in this league. You’re only being patient with him because he was a first rounder for the Raiders. It’s that simple.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Post 709 – THANK YOU!!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Would you throw to DHB on critical 3rd downs?
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I would, but I’d make sure he was facing the QB or running a slant.
No way I’d ask him to make an over the shoulder grab.
He can catch the ball if he’s facing the QB and doesn’t have to track trajectory over his head.
I was as surprised as anyone when he made the catch at the end of the 1st Denver game last year for a first down to seal the deal.
But it wasn’t a fluke.
That was another example of a time when a body catch isn’t a bad thing.
He can make a catch if he’s facing the QB, just don’t ask him to make a catch with his back to the QB.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
My vote is in: TP is NOT that guy who is going to develop into an NFL starting QB. He doesn’t even seem to have the basic QB throwing skills. You can’t develop something that simply isn’t there. Say what you will, the QB position is one that MUST be able to pass all types of throws. TP has demonstrated a minimal Tebow skill set which simply is not what we need. Find a real thrower, draft him & develop him. But he must have some skills to begin worth other than to be able to roll out & scramble.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Raiderman99,
Based on your post, I doubt RM and DA would be content with that type of limitation. The WR’s #1 job is to catch the ball. At his level, you have to make all the catches. At least, you and I can agree that DHB is best used in short passes and allow him to use his body.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
JB Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
My vote is in: TP is NOT that guy who is going to develop into an NFL starting QB. He doesn’t even seem to have the basic QB throwing skills. You can’t develop something that simply isn’t there. Say what you will, the QB position is one that MUST be able to pass all types of throws. TP has demonstrated a minimal Tebow skill set which simply is not what we need. Find a real thrower, draft him & develop him. But he must have some skills to begin worth other than to be able to roll out & scramble.
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It’ll be interesting to see if KNC is kept on the Practice Squad. If he is, that might be the first sign that Reggie and DA are doubting Pryor’s QB skills.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
AIG-yes I would throw to him on 1st,2nd,3rd and even 4th down just as Palmer did last year.The reason he didn’t get that 1000 yards was Hue.I’ve watched him make sideline grabs,crossing grabs,and comebacks which he does a good job of catching.He may not be an All-Pro,but he is better than some of you give him credit for.IMO,the reason so many dislike the guy is because of where he was drafted and they didn’t want him.Raider fans have a history of hating on 1st round picks because they believe they should be all-pros immediately.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Would like to remind Village that we were 7-4 at one point last season and had already traded picks for Palmer. Even if we lost every game (we nearly did!) trading up to get Luck was a near impossibility.
That Luck played for Stanford is irrelevant.
I agree Luck is the real deal. But there was no way the Raids could have gotten him.
Just our luck, when we’ve got the overall nbr 1 and need a QB, there isn’t a QB like Luck or even RGIII on the board.
No, we get stuck with that bloated piece of whaleshiit Jamoron.
If the Raids had gotten a Luck or any franchise QB instead of JaMoron, we’d be legit SB contenders right now. I feel sure of that.
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If we draft Luck in 2007 and force him to miss training camp, provide him the same garbage supporting cast, and make all the same idiotic coaching changes, I guarantee you we end up in the same place or even worse off. Print that!
August 18th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
If we draft Luck in 2007 and force him to miss training camp, provide him the same garbage supporting cast, and make all the same idiotic coaching changes, I guarantee you we end up in the same place or even worse off. Print that!
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But Luck is a hard worker. JaMarcus isn’t.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Please, JaMarcus is a sizzurp drinking clown. You saw his pics. We all did. He considered himself a made man after being selected #1. All downhill from there. No reason to work. He’s the very antithesis of a professional.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Lefty,
Again, would you throw to DHB on 3rd downs? I didnt see your answer. With Moore, yes I’d throw to him on any downs. DHB is a one trick pony. Catch the comeback route and runs with the ball. That’s all he is. In his career, I saw him catch one deep ball in garbage time against the Pats last year. The ball landed in his thighs. So DHB wouldnt be a starter on my team or, as B puts it, any playoff team.
What exactly did DHB go last year? He didnt even crack 1k yds. Because he was so AWFUL his first 2 years and was forced fed under AD, he finally did something resembling a mediocre WR in this league. You’re only being patient with him because he was a first rounder for the Raiders. It’s that simple.
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Poor JaMarcus.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
BTW Debo, you guaranteed several months ago that JaMarcus would be a training camp this summer. So whose camp is he in?
August 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I’m sure that clown contributed to Al’s failing health. Davis had a lot invested in him emotionally, financially, and strategically.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Hello out there. Mr Debo, we did not force jamaruss to miss training camp. His agent felt he was worth 66 million smackaroos and thus it was his and his agents choice. Once they money arrived he got fat. You can’t teach work ethic. It is engrained in you in the early years. Peace out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Lefty,
DHB as All Pro – no he wouldnt even need to be at that level for me. Even a joke like Braylon Edwards managed to get in the probowl. DHB as a probowler? Not in a million years. Believe me. I would love nothing more than to have DHB shove it down the Niner fans who mocked all of us on draft day for passing on Crabtree or the BSPN crew. DHB is a track star trying to play football. I can clearly see how easy it was for Criner, Moore and Streater to catch balls while DHB has been playing catch up.
Your first round argument is flawed. Do you really think I enjoy having Niner fans shoving it to my face how we passed on Craptree?
August 18th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
TP Sucks we need to tell him to change positions or hit the road. Did you see that air ball he threw last night that guy has not thrown one good pass in either game.
Sure he is tall fast athletic but to play the QB position you need to be able to throw the ball well, which is exactly why Teblow is a backup in NY after winning a playoff game last year.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
If we draft Luck in 2007 and force him to miss training camp, provide him the same garbage supporting cast, and make all the same idiotic coaching changes, I guarantee you we end up in the same place or even worse off. Print that!
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But Luck is a hard worker. JaMarcus isn’t.
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Don’t know either personally, so I won’t bother agreeing or arguing with you about whether either one works hard or not. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. There isn’t a QB in history that would have gotten anything done in that environment. I tip my cap to JR for winning the games he did. Elway agrees with me.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
August 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Debo,
We dont agree much but I’ll go on a limb that both Jamarcus and the Raiders didnt do anything to make that marriage successful.
Jamarcus didnt want to work. The Raiders didnt provide him with the best coaching nor WR corp. I mean they gave Jawalrus DHB, JLH, Dough Gabriel, Walker, and a bunch of no names. The only decent dude in that group was Murphy. It didnt take us long to fall in love with Streater and Moore or even Criner. Now those are legit WRs.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Debo, you still haven’t answered the question I’ve repeatedly asked you.
Why is JaMoron out of football at the age of 26 ?
Besides being an out of shape, drug addict, moron.
Why do you think JaMoron is done ?
Or do you ?
Still predicting a JaMoron comeback ?
August 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Quoting John Elway as a Raiders expert is seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
If jamaruss agent felt he needed to be training camp he woulda been there. But the money was more important. Sizzurp is a powerful drug. No. Mr Davis took it straight up the ass. He gave the man his money and got a ros up the ass in return. Peace out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
AIG,anyone who boasts because they have Craptree over DHB could be considered a complete fool.He has done nothing to justify fans giving us a bad time for taking DHB over him.Funny that most of the whiner fans I know hate the guy and wished they’d never taken him.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Lefty,
Do you remember when Craptree finally made it to the field? The networks spent that Sunday going out of their way comparing Craptree to DHB and their production in their first game. I believe it was against Houston for Craptree. It was painful for me and still bitter about it. Hey, DHB proves me wrong and makes all those catches. I’ll be happy to eat crow because the Raiders benefit. My hunch says Streater, Moore and Criner will get a ton of play this year and take away DHB’s snaps.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
There was no gratitude for the 66 mil jamaruss got from mr Davis. Just a football stuffed up his ass in return. Sad. Peace out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
All Knapp needs to do is, cut the saltpeter out of his diet, and start popping a Viagra or three. Hopefully that will help his limp d!ck play calling….
Otherwise, I think we’re doomed to re-live the memories of the Bellpepper/McCown two runs,and a checkdown, then punt. From the glory days of the Lance era..Fun times indeed….
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
AIG,I’m not trying to argue,but name 1 1st round pick in the last 15 years that Raider fans have embraced.Hell,there are some on here who believe we should dump Jano.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Good hands Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Hello out there. Mr Debo, we did not force jamaruss to miss training camp. His agent felt he was worth 66 million smackaroos and thus it was his and his agents choice. Once they money arrived he got fat. You can’t teach work ethic. It is engrained in you in the early years. Peace out.
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When was the last time a #1 overall pick had to hold out all the way through training camp? That was 100% on Al. From an early age, huh? I agree. That explains how he was able to set Alabama’s all-time high school passing mark, earn a scholarship to the defending national champions, EARN the starting QB spot in his redshirt freshman year, earn 1st-team All SEC honors, be named MVP of the Sugar Bowl and get drafted #1 overall by the Raiders. Testament to hard work!
August 18th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
John elway hates the raiders. Of course he’s gonna defend the chosen one. Mr Davis was a good man who got took to the cleaners.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
AIG,I’m not trying to argue,but name 1 1st round pick in the last 15 years that Raider fans have embraced.Hell,there are some on here who believe we should dump Jano.
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Most of them sucked because of Al Davis’ overreach…including DHB. PFT predicted Hakeem Nicks was a better WR on draft day and they have been proven right.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
When was the last time a #1 overall pick had to hold out all the way through training camp? That was 100% on Al.
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No, it was 100% on JaMarcus. He was offered an all-time record contract. Just sign.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
By the way Debo, when you’re drafted number one overall, it almost goes without saying that you’re going to a lousy team and a bad situation.
Good players and true professionals persevere. They overcome obstacles. They male the players around them better. They turn a bad situation into a good one.
Now tell me again why JaMoron is out of football at the ripe old age of 26.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Besides McFadden and even he took a couple of years before he was “accepted”.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
By the way Debo, when you’re drafted number one overall, it almost goes without saying that you’re going to a lousy team and a bad situation.
Good players and true professionals persevere. They overcome obstacles. They male the players around them better. They turn a bad situation into a good one.
Now tell me again why JaMoron is out of football at the ripe old age of 26.
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And what training camp is he in? Remember that you guaranteed he’d be in one, and strongly implied there’d be a “bidding war” for his (dubious) services.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I’m sure with jamaruss size and strength football came easy to him. But as a pro he had to step up his game. He just didn’t. Mr Davis doesn’t like hold outs so I know he did all he could to get him into camp. Peace out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Debo, you still haven’t answered the question I’ve repeatedly asked you.
Why is JaMoron out of football at the age of 26 ?
Besides being an out of shape, drug addict, moron.
Why do you think JaMoron is done ?
Or do you ?
Still predicting a JaMoron comeback ?
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I believe he’s out of football because of that bogus arrest where they confiscated a bottle of Vicks 44 that wasn’t even his. It got lauged out of court, but that made him radioactive. Before that, the Jets, Bengals and Vikings were all interested. Don’t know the guy so I don’t know if he really wants to come back now, but if he does, enough time has passed that I believe he will get another shot.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Debo,
Jamarcus had the mentality of an NBA first pick overrall when he really plays in the NFL. You can be a diva and show up for the NBA but not the NFL. You needed hard work and JR was far from anything resembling hard work.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Debo, why is JaMoron done at age 26 ?
CRICKETS.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Redskins did bring JR in for a work out and opted out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Later boys. Lefty 12, we can agree to disagree. You’re a good semi on here.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
And mr Davis did not like a shakedown. He offered him a lot out of college and the agent got greedy. Peace out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
11/2011: JaMarcus gives a career-killing interview to SI where he states his desire to come back, but openly mocks the CFL and UFL (which would be legitimate avenues for a comeback)
2/2012: Debo guarantees that JaMarcus will get another shot in the NFL and WILL be in training camp.
7/2012: JaMarcus is invited to no tryouts, and gets not even a sniff from any team.
8/2012: Debo now says that JaMarcus may not even want to come back. Yes, I’m sure that’s it.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
There are players in the league that have been busted for a lot worse things than cough syrup,get real.He isn’t in the league because he doesn’t and never did give a sh!t.He got his money and is happily sitting in Ala. getting fat.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
#741 good point. Peace out.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
AIG-all is good.Same to you.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
believe he’s out of football because of that bogus arrest where they confiscated a bottle of Vicks 44 that wasn’t even his. It got lauged out of court, but that made him radioactive. Before that, the Jets, Bengals and Vikings were all interested. Don’t know the guy so I don’t know if he really wants to come back now, but if he does, enough time has passed that I believe he will get another shot.
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LMAO. That’s the best you can come up with ?
He was arrested ? He’s not in jail is he ?
At a time when teams are falling over themselves to find a competent QB, this guy can’t land a job or doesn’t want to ?
Bwahaha. Guess he’s content to be a fat slob that’s universally regarded as the biggest bust in NFL history.
Debo, your answer is ridiculous. More likely that JaMoron is out of football bcz he couldn’t play with your head lodged in his sphincter than the absurd reasons you propose.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The only thing about the Raiders John Elway is an expert in is ‘lickin’ deez nutz’!!!!
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RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Quoting John Elway as a Raiders expert is seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
By the way Debo, when you’re drafted number one overall, it almost goes without saying that you’re going to a lousy team and a bad situation.
Good players and true professionals persevere. They overcome obstacles. They male the players around them better. They turn a bad situation into a good one.
Now tell me again why JaMoron is out of football at the ripe old age of 26.
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Why the hell do you think I’m so pissed off that we cut him? The guy did persevere. He was booed mercilessly at home, had his jersey burned in the parking lot, was destroyed in the media, got his ass kicked in week in and week out because of shoddy pass protection and garbage weapons, got benched for a scrub and endured that POS coach blame him for a losing season in front of the cameras. Yet the guy came off the bench against Denver on the road and pulled it out in dramatic fashion with nothing to play for but the name on the back of his jersey. Yet he’s benched again the next week against Cleveland so Charlie Frye can throw 3 picks in a blowout. Then he plays pretty well in relief against Baltimore before bustining his ass at the facility all summer and kicking ass during the team’s 1st minicamp. I believe he was cut prematurely. The guy was tough as nails and never let the media or fans see him sweat. My kind of QB.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Rivers = head case. 2 Raider wins there.
Elway = stupid move dumpin Tebow. 2 wins there.
KC = no nutsack. 2 wins easily.
AFC West champs.
Word.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Then he plays pretty well in relief against Baltimore before bustining his ass at the facility all summer and kicking ass during the team’s 1st minicamp.
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HAHAHAHA. Was that the minicamp where Hackett asked him to slim down from 270 to 255-260, and he walked in at 290 instead? After that, even Al knew he wasn’t even trying.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
If Pryor doesn’t pan out here, there is one other possibility: Reggie calls Rex Ryan and convinces him to go all-in on the spread option, in which case Tebow will need a backup. Rex sends us Sanchez and we send Pryor and some really neato foot pictures of the Raiderettes.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Michael Bush has 2 TDs in first quarter. RGIII stinking the joint.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
never let the media or fans see him sweat.
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He never sweat because he never did any work.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I think you seriously do more of the ‘purple’ than JaDumbass.
He persevered at nothing.
He deserved to be booed at home because he sucked.
The pass protection was actually fairly consistent for JaDonut.
As for the rest of your points? From the delusional, no hope to address.
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Why the hell do you think I’m so pissed off that we cut him? The guy did persevere. He was booed mercilessly at home, had his jersey burned in the parking lot, was destroyed in the media, got his ass kicked in week in and week out because of shoddy pass protection and garbage weapons, got benched for a scrub and endured that POS coach blame him for a losing season in front of the cameras. Yet the guy came off the bench against Denver on the road and pulled it out in dramatic fashion with nothing to play for but the name on the back of his jersey. Yet he’s benched again the next week against Cleveland so Charlie Frye can throw 3 picks in a blowout. Then he plays pretty well in relief against Baltimore before bustining his ass at the facility all summer and kicking ass during the team’s 1st minicamp. I believe he was cut prematurely. The guy was tough as nails and never let the media or fans see him sweat. My kind of QB.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Debo, pls give it up, your continual excuse making and JaMoron worship is downright embarrassing.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
never let the media or fans see him sweat.
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He never sweat because he never did any work.
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Exactly. Jerry remarked once that it was hard to tell whether JaPaycheck was super-calm and collected, or just didn’t care. We found out the correct answer within the year.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
HAHAHAHA. Was that the minicamp where Hackett asked him to slim down from 270 to 255-260, and he walked in at 290 instead? After that, even Al knew he wasn’t even trying.
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When the fck did Hackett (joke of a coach who was another reason for the team’s demise) ask him to slim down to255-260? When did he walk in at 290?? You have a link?
August 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Debo, pls give it up, your continual excuse making and JaMoron worship is downright embarrassing.
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I’ll never in a million years be embarrassed for calling like I see it. And that’s the way I see it.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
http://suite101.com/article/redskins-trade-campbell-to-oakland-for-4th-round-selection-in-201-a229469
“Russell recently entered the Raider’s offseason mini-camp at over 290 lbs, and that move is not highly regarded among Raider’s management, especially after the three year veteran finished his worst NFL season by passing for 3 touchdowns to 11 interceptions, and an abysmal 50% quarterback rating through nine games.”
August 18th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Do you have a link that other teams were interested in his services?And was he ever brought in for a looky-loo?Anywhere?
August 18th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Pretty good thumping the Giants are putting on the Jets.
I’m enjoying it.
Mark Sanchez stinks and I like seeing Rex squirm.
Glad the NFL Jetwork is televising it.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Do you have a link that other teams were interested in his services?And was he ever brought in for a looky-loo?Anywhere?
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He was brought in by the Redskins and Dolphins in late 2010, weighed over 290 both times, and was passed over for Patrick Ramsey and some other total scrub.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Didn’t realize that.I knew Miami inquired,but didn’t realize they actually brought him in.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Pure comedic genius!……….
August 18th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Why is Raider Debo defending worst Raider ever? Biggest bust since Mae West.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Debo, pls give it up, your continual excuse making and JaMoron worship is downright embarrassing.
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I’ll never in a million years be embarrassed for calling like I see it. And that’s the way I see it.
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In other words, you’re blind?
Why didn’t you just say that from the start?
If you weren’t blind, you would have seen his huge gut hanging over his pants when he showed up for camp.
Or you would have seen him walk between stations, while everyone else ran.
Or you would have read how he made it clear that his horrible play wasn’t his fault.
Might have read how he slept during meetings.
If only you could see.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Terrel Pryor 2/3 for 9 yards. 66%, not bad!
August 18th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Why is Raider Debo defending worst Raider ever? Biggest bust since Mae West.
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Small man syndrome, it appears
Some who are wrong refuse to ever admit it.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Defending Jamarcus is like defending Hitler. It’s just not possible.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Goodson 6 carries for 5 yards and 2 fumbles. Yikes!
August 18th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jason Campbell is coming into Bears game. He wears #2, LOL.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Didn’t Goodson fumble 3 times insted of 2? I thought there was a 3rd one we ended up getting back.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Maybe he had 3 fumbles.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
778.Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Defending Jamarcus is like defending Hitler. It’s just not possible.
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So Al Davis is Hitler?
C’mon man.
(ha…kidding again)
August 18th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Im pretty sure I’d defend Hitler over Jamarcus
I mean at least Hitler had work ethic… OH SORRY
August 18th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
766.RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
HAHAHAHA. Was that the minicamp where Hackett asked him to slim down from 270 to 255-260, and he walked in at 290 instead? After that, even Al knew he wasn’t even trying.
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When the fck did Hackett (joke of a coach who was another reason for the team’s demise) ask him to slim down to255-260? When did he walk in at 290?? You have a link?
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768.RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
http://suite101.com/article/redskins-trade-campbell-to-oakland-for-4th-round-selection-in-201-a229469
“Russell recently entered the Raider’s offseason mini-camp at over 290 lbs, and that move is not highly regarded among Raider’s management, especially after the three year veteran finished his worst NFL season by passing for 3 touchdowns to 11 interceptions, and an abysmal 50% quarterback rating through nine games.”
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Wow you just got b!tch slapped!! Done with Jawalrus for good now?
August 18th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Yeah, Hitler was impressive. He also had good fashion sense. If it wasn’t for the genocide and kidnapping of Swedish children, he might have been a cool guy.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
True story, Nazis took Swedish children to raise them as super soldiers. They thought Swedes were the purest Aryans around.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Jason Campbell looking decent against Redskins.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Didn’t Goodson fumble 3 times insted of 2? I thought there was a 3rd one we ended up getting back.
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http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081756/2012/PRE2/raiders@cardinals#menu=highlights&tab=analyze
Official stats say 2 fumbles but if one was negated by a penalty, that wouldn’t be reflected.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
If Hue hadn’t have panicked and traded for Palmer, we would have Jason as QB (or maybe Kyle Orton) and maybe they would have had enough money to resign Bush.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Now that you’ve given up on him, I fully expect him to put on 20 lbs of bulk, not lose any speed, and develop into an all-pro.
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LOL!
Wouldn’t that be something.
Let me hurry up and give up on Pryor then.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Campbell has been sacked 3 times in less than a quarter. Same ole Jason, I guess. Afraid to throw the ball.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
If Hue hadn’t have panicked and traded for Palmer, we would have Jason as QB (or maybe Kyle Orton) and maybe they would have had enough money to resign Bush.
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Resign Bush? Why? So we can watch the world’s slowest Eric Dickerson impression?
August 18th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
The Village Idiot Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Raiders should have drafted Luck. He bona fide.
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So according to this “Idiot,” Reggie passed on Luck 3 times.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Resign Bush? Why? So we can watch the world’s slowest Eric Dickerson impression?
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LOL, lot better than Goodson.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Mike Goodson @GoodNplenty33
Excellence isn’t a skill…. It’s an Attitude!!!!
August 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Looks like Soup is going to be third string with this type of performance.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Bears punter injured. Raiders trade King and Pryor for Bush!
August 18th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Mike Goodson @GoodNplenty33
Excellence isn’t a skill…. It’s an Attitude!!!!
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So is hanging onto the ball.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I’ll give it until week 4 before Tebow is starting for Sanchez.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Hue Jackson should had been given another year. Greg Knapp didn’t work the first time around what makes anyone think that it will work the second time around? Greg Knapps offense is so predictable, guy sucks .
August 18th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Raiderdav Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Hue Jackson should had been given another year.
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Only if he would have agreed to take a demotion to OC, and no way in a million years would that have happened.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
hitler gave us the Volkswagon, too. Had a lot of bad luck with VW’s. Add that to the list of reasons to hate hitler. Decided he doesn’t deserve to have his name capitalized.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I would have loved to see Hue stick around another year but Reggie would have been always watching his back with Hue and Mark Davis going to Lunch twice a week. But we are in a great situation right now with what’s in place.
August 18th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Hitler invented the freeway.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
TO enters the game, gets a play called specifically for him, beats his man deep, Flynn throws a beautiful deep ball……….and TO drops it.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Oh T.O.!
August 18th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
seahawks suck balls. thats why they are in the same division as the niners.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Not sure if anyone posted this article or not, but here’s Tommy Kelly on Kevin Kolb.
sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tommy-kelly-… sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tommy-kelly-kevin-kolb-boy-scared-042316789–nfl.html
August 18th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
I was thinking the same thing, losing draft picks over Palmer hurt the Raiders; losing fifteen million in cap space
Could hurt us more, not to mention we would truly know Pryor’s qb capabilities already.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Just about ready to eat a box of cereal. But before I do, I was wonderin if anybody thought Dennis Allen looked emotionless. Dude seemed a little in over his head. He needs some gruden fire and Cable pimp hand.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
The dissing of DA starts….
August 18th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Yawn, the blog has been like this for 6 years
Semi Pros speaking their mind
August 18th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
My biggest concern is backup running back.
Miller looked like the only good one to me.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Dallas 10 Charger Butts 0
we like that. Chargers suck balls. They should be in the same division as the niners.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Rams 24 KC 10
KC sucks too. We’ll win the preseason West easily.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Michael Bush is not an elite back. But he can shoulder his load, and btw, has gained more yds in 4 season than DMAC on the ground and in the air.
Last year as the season wore on and our offense became more predictable – us running Bush up the middle on 1st down, a quick pass to DHB on second down, and Bush up the middle on 3rd down – Bush’s yards per carry diminished.
Bush is principally second to #1. Bush is no savior but if we still had him, and knew how to use him, we wouldn’t be relying on skinny legs Jones (who will always be injured), and the fumbler Goodson.
At least that aspect of our offense would be settled.
And no, Hue didn’t deserve a second chance as HC: liar, fraudster, bound us the most idiotic trade for CP in sports. Perhaps Hue could have remained at OC, but in the end that was impossible.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Sounds like Ford could miss some regular season games, I know alot on here have ben down on him since that 1st practice game, but This will hurt us in several areas, our return game and passing, from all accounts he was going to be heavily involved as the slot guy in this new WCO.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Rodeo Olio Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
seahawks suck balls. thats why they are in the same division as the niners.
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Funny comment Rodeo. The 49′ers will beat the Raiders 100 times before the Raiders can even put up a decent fight.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Sorry fellas, here’s the Kelly link. Sailed around a few continents with the Captain Morgan after that ugly loss.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/articles/2012/08/18/20120818oakland-raiders-tommy-kelly-rips-arizona-cardinals-kevin-kolb.html
August 18th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
My biggest concern is lasting another season
getting olds a pain
August 18th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Good hands Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Hello out there. Mr Debo, we did not force jamaruss to miss training camp. His agent felt he was worth 66 million smackaroos and thus it was his and his agents choice. Once they money arrived he got fat. You can’t teach work ethic. It is engrained in you in the early years. Peace out.
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When was the last time a #1 overall pick had to hold out all the way through training camp? That was 100% on Al. From an early age, huh? I agree. That explains how he was able to set Alabama’s all-time high school passing mark, earn a scholarship to the defending national champions, EARN the starting QB spot in his redshirt freshman year, earn 1st-team All SEC honors, be named MVP of the Sugar Bowl and get drafted #1 overall by the Raiders. Testament to hard work!
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No it isn’t a testament to hard work. Any pee wee or high school coach knows if you have bigger stronger players you win at those levels. Russell was a VERY big kid was tremendous God given abilities. He could sleep walk thru those levels. At the pro level, particularly at the Q position, you need to work very very hard to be successful. He was a lazy ass. By your own definition. that’s why he failed.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Is Dallas Defense really this good? shutout both Raiders and Chargers 1st team. However I do believe if our 1st team played a whole half we would of scored some points.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Sounds like Ford could miss some regular season games, I know alot on here have ben down on him since that 1st practice game, but This will hurt us in several areas, our return game and passing, from all accounts he was going to be heavily involved as the slot guy in this new WCO.
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I think Ford has seen greener pastures. I thought he would really be something once upon a time. Now he sports a serially injured “hammy”, same as Moore and Jones.
Unfortunately, their time with the Raiders is over. Reggie should dump them and make room for new roster spots.
Believe me, Ford, Moore, and Jones will always be injured, just like Chaz.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Yawn, the blog has been like this for 6 years
Semi Pros speaking their mind
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Very funny…..and what are you my friend, a retired NFL player or coach ? doubtful
August 18th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
824
LOL, keep dreamin troll
August 18th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
why no injury report today?
August 18th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Manning and Rivers both threw two picks tonight, wonder how there fans are takin it, can’t imagine they are freakin out like some in here.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Goodson and Leinart are going to be OK
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50m Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen said there is chance Ford could miss some of regular season, but doesn’t know yet
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51m Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Injury updates: Ford going to miss a little bit of time, Allen said. Had an MRI. Moore is getting closer
August 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Back up dude
Im the soccer ambassador
August 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
DeMarcus Davis@DeMarcusRFNET
Just off the phone with Coach Dennis Allen, Aaron Curry is back with the team, worked out today and will evaluate him again tomorrow
August 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen said Curry “looked pretty good”
August 18th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen: “(Palmer) is still learning this offense. I have no reservations or doubts about Carson Palmer. He’s had a good camp.”
August 18th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen: “(Palmer) is still learning this offense. I have no reservations or doubts about Carson Palmer. He’s had a good camp.”
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Palmer played pretty well last night. When you go back and look at the tape he had a pretty good half.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
We’re screwed at RB behind RunDMC at this point. I don’t care what ya’ll say about RB’s being dime a dozen or how well they do in the ZBS. (Jones isn’t ever active and Goodson…well is Goodson.)
If The Reggie doesn’t pick up a reliable back if Dmac goes down, we’re screwed at that position.(At least bring in Grant)
I will miss Bush (as a #2), but Reggie wasn’t going to pay what his agent was looking for.
What you see now in preseason is what you get, we don’t have a legit #2 rb.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
With all respect to Burris, a healthy Curry makes the D even better.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Seymour
I feel the same way, he also didn’t look to bad the 1st practice game. He has some kinks to work out though and he has to learn when not to force, like on 1st down
August 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
824
LOL, keep dreamin troll
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Real, you have a smart mouth for a punk.
Moore, Jones, and Ford rode the pine most of last year and will continue to ride it this year. Even if they become healthy, all of the 3 will be re-injured and sitting on the pine again.
Unfortunately, a worshipper like you can’t see the pattern. Ford is the most disappointing since he showed promise then completely imploded this year.
Normally, when guys stay injured and out of the game for multiple seasons they never re-gain their form. We should have released Chaz several seasons before we did. Louis Murphy took a hard lick and was never the same. If we hadn’t released him, he would still be riding the pine, all for naught.
I never said I didn’t like Moore, Ford and Jones; I never said they weren’t extremely talented; I said that they will always be serially injured, and should be released to free up roster spots.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
With all respect to Burris, a healthy Curry makes the D even better.
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Yeah, I believe Burris Booshay has alot of upside and he has shown some good things, but also has shown he is still a rookie. I believe Curry could be a beast in this new defense, hope he can get out there next week to see how he does in this new scheme.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Deja vu Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
We’re screwed at RB behind RunDMC at this point. I don’t care what ya’ll say about RB’s being dime a dozen or how well they do in the ZBS. (Jones isn’t ever active and Goodson…well is Goodson.)
If The Reggie doesn’t pick up a reliable back if Dmac goes down, we’re screwed at that position.(At least bring in Grant)
I will miss Bush (as a #2), but Reggie wasn’t going to pay what his agent was looking for.
What you see now in preseason is what you get, we don’t have a legit #2 rb.
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We are terribly screwed because DMAC will go down for the season. Unfortunately, we could not afford to not pay what Bush was asking.
Now look at us…..
Elite RB’s a dime a dozen: fiddlesticks!
August 18th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Seymour
I feel the same way, he also didn’t look to bad the 1st practice game. He has some kinks to work out though and he has to learn when not to force, like on 1st down
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Considering he basically had DHB and Ford, no TE and Dmac for a handful of plays, Palmer did not do that badly.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Blackandsilver
I usually don’t read garbage post like yours, just like I didn’t when you posted under Al D Davis/Hardline. Its obvious you racist biatch, I would ace you.
August 18th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Moore, Jones, and Ford rode the pine most of last year and will continue to ride it this year.
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If 4th and 5th round rookies are seeing substantial playing time either you drafted incredibly well or your roster sucks.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Blackandsilver
I usually don’t read garbage post like yours, just like I didn’t when you posted under Al D Davis/Hardline. Its obvious you racist biatch, I would ace you.
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You are a joke Real, an worshipper; your screenname should read “RealSmartMouthForAPunk.”
August 18th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Q: Why would that be the case? Isn’t it sometimes easier to go straight forward rather than wait for the `one-cut’?
Pollack: The zone scheme is a misnomer, we’re not playing laterally. It’s not a soft scheme. We’re coming off the ball, north and south, it’s just how we’re accomplishing our scheme where we’re not staying on specific defenders. We’re working through gaps, sorting out the trash if you will, we’re playing north and south and downhill. The goal line is just an extension of our zone scheme with maybe an extra two guys to block and we’re adding two extra guys to block as well on offense.
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Great question….horrible answer…and his answer gives clues to his own DOUBT…
First off, let me be clear. I like the ZBS, but it’s like anything else….can’t be the only option…
Similar to ALWAYS playing only man on defense….shouldn’t be done……have to mix it up….
Coach Pollack is giving is obviously standing up for his Offensive Coordinator, which I like…
The problem is, he is answering questions that were not asked….
Who claimed it was a soft scheme? Certainly not the person who asked the question…..which leads me to believe that Pollack himself might feel that way? After all, he is the one who brought it up.
If you pause either of the first 2 goal line plays from last night just after the snap you will notice our entire line with their pads laterally….not north and south….
I can go on here….but I won’t…it’s like this Blog was written just for me….
I’m not going to get into it too deep….just saying….ZBS should not be used in the red zone or on the goal line….that isn’t to say it absolutely cannot work….but it doesn’t give us a high probability of success…that is the only reason….
We must run it all…..or suffer the consequences!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Injuries happen, it is a contact sport. It seems alot more injuries this year around the whole league, not just our “fragile players”
August 18th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I’m out!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Hey backside, are you Al D/Hardline? No need to respond, its way to obvious. Now I will go back to skipping over your nonsense
August 18th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Realtruraider, go sell some more tickets for 26$ and leave the real work to those who know what they are talking about….
Your agenda serves the profit machine…I have no agenda!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
You’re right though….I do draw a HARD LINE, don’t I?
August 18th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Yeah; Gonna be a long year for the offense. A washed up Carson Palmer, and a Horrible OC (Knapp). Our Defense will be good. Last year it was the Defense, this year it will be a bad Offense. Knapp & Palmer are useless, and our backup QB’s suck!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
What? LOL
August 18th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Hey backside, are you Al D/Hardline? No need to respond, its way to obvious. Now I will go back to skipping over your nonsense
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Real, you started it by calling me a troll over my comments about the serially injured players. I have never, ever made a comment about one of your posts. Some even have merit.
Your personal attacks are repugnant.
Return to your alter and bow down before your savior Jason Campbell.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
ddwight Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Yeah; Gonna be a long year for the offense. A washed up Carson Palmer, and a Horrible OC (Knapp). Our Defense will be good. Last year it was the Defense, this year it will be a bad Offense. Knapp & Palmer are useless, and our backup QB’s suck!
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You are correct Dwight. I suppose stranger things have happened, I just can’t remember when, lol!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Looks the the troll got his handles mixed up, LMFAO. What a fkin clown
August 18th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Ddwight Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Yeah; Gonna be a long year for the offense. A washed up Carson Palmer, and a Horrible OC (Knapp). Our Defense will be good. Last year it was the Defense, this year it will be a bad Offense. Knapp & Palmer are useless, and our backup QB’s suck!
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Yup Reggie should have learned from the Giants last year about team continuity. Keeping Hue for at least one more year and upgrading the defense would have been the correct thing to do. Instead he brought his frickin ego. A Healthy Hue offense with what looks like an improved D would have been a playoff team. CP cannot run a WCO system and Knapp is still crap.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow:
In your opinion, what is the reason for our current backslide in the 1st two preseason games?
Last night I watched the Lions v. Ravens (first half) and it was a good, competitive showing for both teams.
I also watched the second half of the 4th quarter when all the 2nd and 3rd stringers were in, and it was great: big offensive and defensive plays.
The was no chaos, no darkness, or regression that I have seen with the Raiders. The QBs looked polished and not coming apart at the seams like CP.
I just ask why…..
August 18th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I try to stay out of the drama, but I got into with you back when you were Al D. It was around the time we hired DA, I come around when ever something happens like a new coach, start of training camp etc. Im not a regular, but i do know who you are.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Fire Dennis Allen!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
realtruraider Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Looks the the troll got his handles mixed up, LMFAO. What a fkin clown
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You’re right. That troll must be gripping because Manning looked like crap.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I don’t waste my time in disputes with posters. Every one is entitled to voice his/her opinion without being called disparaging names, etc.
I should have just let your comment go.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow:
In your opinion, what is the reason for our current backslide in the 1st two preseason games?
Last night I watched the Lions v. Ravens (first half) and it was a good, competitive showing for both teams.
I also watched the second half of the 4th quarter when all the 2nd and 3rd stringers were in, and it was great: big offensive and defensive plays.
The was no chaos, no darkness, or regression that I have seen with the Raiders. The QBs looked polished and not coming apart at the seams like CP.
I just ask why…..
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There are two ways to look at it thus far…
One is that Coach Allen & Company is forcing the team to adapt to the way they want things done….which results in mistakes….
Understand that mistakes are POSITIVE at this point in the year….making them can be a huge deal….
WHY? When a mistake is made the entire team has an opportunity to get better through the correction of the mistake.
Coach Allen made a great point tonight regarding our special teams and that they are trying many different guys at spots to see what guys can or cannot do….this is positive.
So far, the defense has looked great up front (with an exception of Seymour’s performance) the LB looks promising considering Curry is out….The DB’s haven’t and won’t be challenged until San Diego….
As far as the Offense goes….seems like the Raider brass is hell bent on the ZBS….which is the wrong move….
Bruce Lee has a quote I love that applies to this situation:
“Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind”
Right now our staff is out to prove they can do it their way, and have forgotten that their way was never theirs to begin with….it’s just a way of doing something….another way….one way of many….
The fact that they are defending this speaks to a crack in their armor…..right now, this is our biggest concern…
The other way to look at it is that we are looking at a complete collapse of this team….
We are on shaky ground…..I only hope the first example I shared can be corrected and we can move forward….but for this to happen….someone is going to have to admit they were wrong….
That person, this time, isn’t me.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Do the Raiders really get something if they win the preseason west? Like what, a trophy of HFA? SD lost, KC lost and Denver is gonna loose. Its all good stuff those bastards lost too. SMMFHAT
August 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Rivera threw 2 pics. Cut him. Start Charlie.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
HOLLA
been waiting all day to pinch this duece thats bangin at the rear door. holla is gonna get it on video. im expecting a very big loaf.
JUST KEEP IT FO REAL
August 18th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Back up dude
Im the soccer ambassador
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Soccer ambassador rules!
August 18th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow,
Good analysis, thank you.
I suppose we will just wait and see what happens.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Lets see, Palmer threw a pick, some say he may be losing it.Manning threw 2 picks, and Rivers the same. PRE-SEASON, HELLO.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I just watched our game again.
Palmer did a great job considering that he was running for his life for most of the game.
Goodson and the blocked kick cost us the game.
Miller still looks good. Keep him.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
“There are 3 kinds of people. Those that watch things happen, those that make things happen, and those who don’t know what’s happening”
-John Madden-
August 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
YO HO HO
gonna treat my self to a gallon of gallo. just got done rollin a duece that came out sideways. vein in the forehead type struggle, but its a doozie.
WAFIZZLE SHAGIZZLE MO DIZZLE
August 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
LB Aaron Curry has rejoined the Raiders, coach Allen said. Curry ran today and “looked pretty good,” according to Allen. Curry has hurt knee
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Interesting…..good news though.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Allen said, “I’m hoping to have both of them back this week,” when asked about injured RB Taiwan Jones and injured TE Brandon Myers.
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Myers I can believe, Jones, Ford and D.WOW……well I have my doubts.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
714.JB Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
My vote is in: TP is NOT that guy who is going to develop into an NFL starting QB. He doesn’t even seem to have the basic QB throwing skills. You can’t develop something that simply isn’t there. Say what you will, the QB position is one that MUST be able to pass all types of throws. TP has demonstrated a minimal Tebow skill set which simply is not what we need. Find a real thrower, draft him & develop him. But he must have some skills to begin worth other than to be able to roll out & scramble.
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you also said dmc would never be a quality rb and he was only a slot reciever. how is that looking right now?
August 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
836.RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
With all respect to Burris, a healthy Curry makes the D even better.
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LMFAO! About 9 days ago Curry leaves team to get knee checked on and it was addition by subtraction. Burris was the second coming of Jack Ham. Two preseason games later we get posts like this one above.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
#Raiders coach Dennis Allen said: “It looks like Jacoby’s going to miss a little bit of time” in regard to Ford’s foot sprain
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I’m officially done with Ford. Trade him.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Somebody needs to ask the Coach straight up regarding Ford’s foot: “Is it a Lisfranc injury?”
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
With Streater playing like he is I’m not so worried about Ford. I think his days are numbered on the depth chart.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Mike Goodson @GoodNplenty33
Excellence isn’t a skill…. It’s an Attitude!!!! #RaiderNation
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Really? Your Raider debut fkn sucked sh1t.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Mike Goodson @GoodNplenty33
Excellence isn’t a skill…. It’s an Attitude!!!! #RaiderNation
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Really? Your Raider debut fkn sucked sh1t.
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in the Arizona game, we had 3 trips in the redzone resulting in FG’s
In Chicago, Michael Bush had a 1 yd run for a score and an 8 yd run.
That was a tough loss in free agency. Especially for our red zone offense.
August 19th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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August 19th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Well, we are seeing what will worry about Knapp and play calling this season. Let’s hope he not showing all of his cards though.
Some things that really bothered me about his play calling in Fridays game.
Why is he running zone blocking in goal line situations??
In short yardage and especially in goal line runs, it should man to man power formations and blocking with double TE sets and an extra linemen. Like what Hue was running the last two years.
Or maybe Knapp should be running a play action on 1st down instead of 3rd down??
It was absolutely inexcusable to not score a TD from the 1 yard line on that series!
Knapp is on watch from here on out Nation…I’m sorry to say.
The passing game looks out of whack and there is no rythem either.
This is what I was worrying about when Hue was fired, was the offense regressing from the last two years or consistently being able to score TD’s and execute efficiently.
McK and Allen should have just kept Hue’s play book and have Saunders call the plays. Maintaining continuity on offense was a key and now they have to start all over again with a mediocre below average play caller like Knapp calling plays.
Oooff! Ugh!