Lechler, Jones, Myers return after lengthy layoffs
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, August 19th, 2012 at 6:22 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders on Sunday got back more players at practice than they lost, for a change, as punter Shane Lechler, running back Taiwan Jones and tight end Brandon Myers participated in the no-pads proceedings.
For Lechler, it marked his training camp debut. He underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee just before camp started and missed every practice and the first two exhibition games before today.
Coach Dennis Allen said he anticipates Lechler punting against the Detroit Lions on Saturday night.
Jones has missed both exhibition games, as well as a slew of practices, while recovering from a hamstring inujury. He has a decent chance of making his debut in a game Saturday, as well.
Myers didn’t do much in the full-team drills. No big deal there, Allen said. The goal was to get Myers moving around on the heels of missing numerous practices with a shoulder injury.
Myers still is competing for the starting job that opened when the Raiders released Kevin Boss in the offseason. Allen said earlier this camp that Myers was the leading candidate for the job.
Now, the job figures to be wide open, given Myers’ absence for a spell.
– As for wide receiver Jacoby Ford, coach Dennis Allen said Ford felt better today than he did Friday and Saturday. Ford suffered a sprained left foot at the end of a reception against the Arizona Cardinals on Friday night.
Allen said there isn’t any structural damage to Ford’s foot, the same one he sprained last season, and also no swelling.
Even so, he admitted, it’s conceivable that Ford’s absence could extend into the regular season. The Raiders open the season at home against the San Diego Chargers on Sept. 10.
– Allen stated the obvious when he said that backup running back Mike Goodson has to do a better job of protecting the football if he is to be counted upon.
Goodson fumbled twice against the Cardinals on Friday night. That’s in keeping with Goodson’s track record since he joined the NFL. He fumbled seven times in 125 touches with the Carolina Panthers.
– Allen said wide receiver Denarius Moore (hamstring) is closer to returning to practice. He, too, has missed considerable practice time and both exhibition games.
The same can’t be said of linebacker Aaron Curry, who rejoined the team Saturday but still isn’t ready to practice at full-speed or play in a game, Allen said.
Allen added that Curry won’t be thrust into action until he’s ready to roll, and Curry isn’t ready to roll yet. If he isn’t able to get after it soon, Allen reiterated, it will be time to game plan with Miles Burris in mind as the starting weak-side linebacker for the regular season.
As much as Allen is impressed by Burris, he conceded that there’s something to be said for having a veteran presence at linebacker.
– Defensive tackle Richard Seymour was held out of practice today. Allen said that’s in keeping with the time-honored tradition of giving veteran players extra time off every now and then as a means of keeping them fresh throughout the grind of a long season.
Seymour has been bothered by a sore knee at times in camp. However, today’s day off had more to do with giving Seymour a breather than the knee, Allen said.
– The Raiders break camp in Napa on Thursday. Already, Allen said, the three weeks spent here can be considered a success.
Why so? Well, he said, the goal is to leave camp a better team than the one that arrived. Mission accomplished.
– The Raiders are off Monday. They practice Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday before shutting down here and relocating to their year-round facility in Alameda.
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August 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
1st, YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
He fumbled seven times in 125 touches with the Carolina Panthers.
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Not true…..you didn’t factor in his returns on special teams…..Goodson had 244 touches!
Get the stats right!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you read on this BLOG!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I like how Seymour gets to take practice off all week and come in and get blown back on the GOAL LINE for a Cardinal Touchdown….
On top of it…he is one of the highest paid Defensive Players in the league….
Thank your lucky stars I’m not your boss Richard…cause you would be gone!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
GOT 5 ON IT
August 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Too bad we don’t have anyone in the building with any balls to stand up to him!
He knows it…and continues to get away with his BS….
This, Coach ALLEN, is NOT IMPROVEMENT!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour was held out of practice today. Allen said that’s in keeping with the time-honored tradition of giving veteran players extra time off every now and then as a means of keeping them fresh throughout the grind of a long season.
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How is that time-honored tradition working for us Coach?
August 19th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
433.realtruraider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Taiwan Jones back from hamstring, coaches told him no reason 2 outrun everybody in Napa. “I have a few gears; keep it to 2nd in practice.”
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Didn’t someone post last year an article that said Taiwan had a learning disorder? If that is the case then it explains everything. Fool got practice confused with real games.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Too bad we don’t have anyone in the building with any balls to stand up to him!
He knows it…and continues to get away with his BS….
This, Coach ALLEN, is NOT IMPROVEMENT
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Easy there killer. Is there a way out of Seymour’s contract? Do you sit him and pay him? Try and trade him? Ask him to take a 50% pay cut? Just cut him and still pay him?
August 19th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
@ #8
Deslexic or how ever you spell it.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
You work him, you don’t hold back on him….why should he get special treatment?…..Do it to show the remaining players that even the “so-called” stars will be treated the same as anyone else…
It creates accountability within the team….instead of playing favorites….
August 19th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Seymour is not the leader of this team….& if he is….we don’t stand a chance….
August 19th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
That’s better backstage…
That I can agree with.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
A counter run isn’t an “adjustment” to some terrible ZBS, it’s part of the package. Just like those bootlegs will be wide-open (just like they were in Houston) because the D will fear DMac, counters will also be open.
Remember, there aren’t too many coordinating “gurus”. Mike Martz looked great, went to Chicago, took a downturn in talent that he had, so his offense regressed.
This is true for most OCs. They’ll be as good or bad as the talent around them.
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A counter run is part of Knapps O package??
It better be and more importantly it needs to be used more often.
Counter runs and traps, pulling guards on power run plays were ran plenty the last two seasons with Huey calling plays and they were ran very efficiently and successfully.
I also want to see more unbalanced O Line packages with two TE’S and an extra OLinemen on short yardage and goal line.
I don’t want to see slow developing ZBS plays being run on short yardage and goal line.
It gives the DL and LB’s too much time to penetrate.
I was really disappointed and kinda pissed at the goal line play calling by Knapp yesterday. Inexcusable to not score a TD from the 1 yard line in that situation.
I hope that isn’t a sign of things to come this season from Knapps offense. Ugh
August 19th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
A leader is the first guy out to practice the day after getting his ass kicked cause he knows the rest of the players will follow his lead….
Seymour shouldn’t allow Coach Allen to let him sit out….crap….they don’t even have pads on today….
WHAT A COMPLETE JOKE!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Seymour probably keeps his 3 SB Rings in a small glass case in his locker and everytime he doesn’t want to practice he calls D.A. over to check’em out. I think this will be this bum’s last year in Silver N Black.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I thought Seymour was locked up through 2013
August 19th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Yeah man Seymour is getting on my nerves. That’s the type of dude at the beginning of practice is giving the whole defense a rah rah pep talk about bustin somebody up, being a man and a warrior and not taking no schitt from nobody.
While this pep rally is taking place the film crew is focused on the defense who are draped in full gear, helmets, and face paint. Then they turn to Seymour and he’s got on a muscle shirt, cargo shorts, and Do-Rag.
SMMFH!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
But we got better today…right Coaches?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Yeah Right….drink some more of the NAPA VALLEY and keep lying to yourselves….
We know you read this BLOG…crap…you answer questions that aren’t even asked of you….
It’s only pre season and our staff is already feeling the HEAT….
Guess what Coaches (& GM) this BLOG is just warming up….?
We were here before you were and we will be here after YOU ARE GONE!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
17.Raiders for life Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I thought Seymour was locked up through 2013
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“Locked up”? Preferably at San Quentin.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
alex7 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
and I’m fairly certain that more than half of you dorks don’t even understand the blocking scheme of a ZBS.
You know when we tried going straight man-blocking? When Slater was here in the Shell II era teaching the O-line to chase stunts and twists. Disaster.
It’s probably the same dorks that hate zone defense.
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I get a kick out of how your defending Knapps crappy play calling so far this preseason.
Shell and Walsh ran a straight up man to man OLine system with ZERO scheme involved! ZERO!
Heck, Chuck B’s D last year was almost as bad as Shell Walsh 2 bed and breakfast Offense was.
Like I have said many times before when McK jumped the gun to get rid of Hue and hire Allen and then DA hired Knapp as his OC.
Allen and Knapp need to prove it to us fans that they can make the right coaching decisions and make the right play calls and build on what Cable/Hue did the past years, which was significant improvement from years past.
It’s not other way around.
August 19th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Knapp is officially on WATCH now Nation!
August 19th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Better wake up and realize you don’t own the car, you just have the KEYS right now…
The RAIDER NATION owns that car….and we don’t like the way you’re driving it!
August 19th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
DANG, Raiders are on the hook with Seymour thrugh 2016 at 7.5 mil a year after this season.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and I finally felt the need to make an account and post here. The majority of you guys on here are FREAKING idiots. Like I’m talkin stupidest people I have ever seen. Makes me embarrassed as a raider fan to read some of the stuff you guys post on here. OMG THE GUY DROPPED A BALL! CUT HIS ASS NOW!!! A good example is the people complaining about Seymour not practicing. So what? Does it really matter? The guy is a 10+ year vet. I don’t think holding him out of a practice here or there is going to matter when it comes to game time. There isn’t anything there the guy hasn’t seen before.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Knapp is super trash though. Bresnahan held us back just like knapp will this year
August 19th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and I finally felt the need to make an account and post here. The majority of you guys on here are FREAKING idiots. Like I’m talkin stupidest people I have ever seen. Makes me embarrassed as a raider fan to read some of the stuff you guys post on here. OMG THE GUY DROPPED A BALL! CUT HIS ASS NOW!!! A good example is the people complaining about Seymour not practicing. So what? Does it really matter? The guy is a 10+ year vet. I don’t think holding him out of a practice here or there is going to matter when it comes to game time. There isn’t anything there the guy hasn’t seen before.
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Now you’re talking to me….that I like….there must be some truth to what you’ve been reading my silent friend….or you wouldn’t bother to comment…
Nice Handle
Consider yourself motivated…..and guess what…I do it for free!
August 19th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
But we got better today…right Coaches?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Yeah Right….drink some more of the NAPA VALLEY and keep lying to yourselves….
We know you read this BLOG…crap…you answer questions that aren’t even asked of you….
It’s only pre season and our staff is already feeling the HEAT….
Guess what Coaches (& GM) this BLOG is just warming up….?
We were here before you were and we will be here after YOU ARE GONE!
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The coaches…especially and Knapp and the O coaches should definitely be feeling the heat!
That’s what happens when you fire a rookie head coach last year like Hue who had to deal with a crap load of crazy adversity in his first year on the job (Owner/GM dying, starting QB and star RB hurt, Ford and Moore hurt, T Jones hurt and having an imcompetent DC on staff) and then hire a whole new GM who may have jumped the gun and hire a 39 year old rookie coach and who hires a mediocre OC play caller like Knapp to change the whole playbook when it wasn’t necessary.
Some of you called out Huey last year for making some rookie coaching mistakes, well get ready to do the same with DA calling the shots and Knapp as the play caller on offense.
Ugh
August 19th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
– Allen said wide receiver Denarius Moore (hamstring) is closer to returning to practice.
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Hmmm. Where have we heard this before….last yr. DMAC?
Every week we were told he was oh so close to coming back. Finally, I just gave up and stated resenting being told that.
Oh, but if we would’ve beat SD he was ready and raring to go.
Yeah right.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The nastiest, scariest, most intimidatingly physical team of this generation, the Baltimore Ravens, use the ZBS and have for years.
If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it should be for YOU PEOPLE!!
The Houston Texans pushed teams off the LOS, smashed them in the face with a physical FB, and have Foster and Tate run over DB’s.
It might be the most physical rushing style in the league right now.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
“The majority of you guys on here are FREAKING idiots. Like I’m talkin stupidest people I have ever seen.”
Yes this is true!
“Makes me embarrassed as a raider fan to read some of the stuff you guys post on here. OMG THE GUY DROPPED A BALL! CUT HIS ASS NOW!!! ”
This is accurate as well.
“I don’t think holding him out of a practice here or there is going to matter when it comes to game time. There isn’t anything there the guy hasn’t seen before.”
This would be acceptable if he was preforming like a “Rock Star” on game day…but he has not been lately and the guys here on the blog feel the need to let Big Rich know they are expecting big things from him this year and he needs to step up his game so we can hear his name called more on Sunday.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Knapp is super trash though. Bresnahan held us back just like knapp will this year
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Yep. The only thing that needed improvement and big time change after last season was the DEFENSE.
Now we will have to deal with the D improving this year and playing good ball overall, while the Offense REGRESSES with Knappy doing the play calling.
Gotta score TD’s and mix it up on offense in the NFL and not be predictable.
Knapp needs to prove us fans wrong that he can get the job done this year. He has a lot of work ahead of him.
To save himself some head ache, he should just remember to just get the ball to his speedy play makers in SPACE as much as possible.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
DKnight,
You and I may be the only ones on this blog who thought Hue did okay considering all he had to contend with.
Starting QB goes down, GM dies and isn’t replaced, lame DC, all the injuries INCLUDING YOUR BEST PLAYER.
No. Hue was supposed to overcome all that and coach us to glory.
That being said, i like DA so far and was happy he’s aboard. I just think Hue has taken way too much hate from the nation.
He did his best.
I know, I know. “If he’s so great why didn’t anybody offer him a real job”?
I never said he was great, or even that good. I’m just saying he wasn’t as bad as people make him out to be.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
25.burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and I finally felt the need to make an account and post here. The majority of you guys on here are FREAKING idiots. Like I’m talkin stupidest people I have ever seen. Makes me embarrassed as a raider fan to read some of the stuff you guys post on here. OMG THE GUY DROPPED A BALL! CUT HIS ASS NOW!!! A good example is the people complaining about Seymour not practicing. So what? Does it really matter? The guy is a 10+ year vet. I don’t think holding him out of a practice here or there is going to matter when it comes to game time. There isn’t anything there the guy hasn’t seen before.
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Well then lets keep Seabass out of practice also. And when he blows another FG like the Arizona game I would love to be a fly on your wall.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
The only way the ZBS won’t work here, is if Knapp and our new O-line guy aren’t teaching it right.
Houston has the NFL’s leading rusher using it. Packers have one of the best passing games using it. Ravens beat you up physically using it.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The nastiest, scariest, most intimidatingly physical team of this generation, the Baltimore Ravens, use the ZBS and have for years.
If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it should be for YOU PEOPLE!!
The Houston Texans pushed teams off the LOS, smashed them in the face with a physical FB, and have Foster and Tate run over DB’s.
It might be the most physical rushing style in the league right now.
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yeah, it’s sooooo physical, especially when the outside zone run is called and the lineman that are coverd, there first step is lateral.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you read on this BLOG!/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Never heard a thing on this blog. Is there a volume button I’ve been missing all this time?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I wonder if O’s heart is able to take the stress! Luv ya O!
August 19th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
This would be acceptable if he was preforming like a “Rock Star” on game day…but he has not been lately and the guys here on the blog feel the need to let Big Rich know they are expecting big things from him this year and he needs to step up his game so we can hear his name called more on Sunday.
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So the guys on this blog think they are going to get through to Seymour by complaining about him on the Internet? Makes sense
August 19th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The nastiest, scariest, most intimidatingly physical team of this generation, the Baltimore Ravens, use the ZBS and have for years.
If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it should be for YOU PEOPLE!!
The Houston Texans pushed teams off the LOS, smashed them in the face with a physical FB, and have Foster and Tate run over DB’s.
It might be the most physical rushing style in the league right now.
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It’s only good enough if it moves the chains consistently, is not predictable and scores TD’s here in OAKLAND buddy.
What is happening in Houston is irrelevant when it comes to to what is happening here with this Raiders team.
BTW, the Ravens do NOT run the ZBS exclusively on offense. They are a power, trap, counter, pulling OLine that runs some zone blocking every now and then.
That is the system Hue brought here to Oakland.
Knapp needs to run more screen plays also. Hue was a master at calling effective screen plays the last two years to keep defenses off balance.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Well then lets keep Seabass out of practice also. And when he blows another FG like the Arizona game I would love to be a fly on your wall.
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Kickers already pretty much never practice……whats your point?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Streator and Criner are our starting wr’s for game 1.
Just accept it and hope for the best.
It is what it is.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Lechler, Jones, Myers return after lengthy layoffs The Raiders on Sunday got back more players at practice than they lost, for a change, as punter Shane Lechler, running back Taiwan Jones and tight end Brandon Myers participated in the no-pads proceedings. For Lechler, it marked his training camp deb… [...]
August 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I think you finally said it right,it’s not the zbs it’s the teachers.I remember cable saying it was power blocking on short yardage situations.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
The only way the ZBS won’t work here, is if Knapp and our new O-line guy aren’t teaching it right.
Houston has the NFL’s leading rusher using it. Packers have one of the best passing games using it. Ravens beat you up physically using it.
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My issue is with knapp,not necessarily with zbs. Knapp was qb coach in houston, never in greenbay or baltimore.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Drew Stanton looking sharper than Palmer did on Fri night… and the list continues to grow.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
bunk moorland Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The nastiest, scariest, most intimidatingly physical team of this generation, the Baltimore Ravens, use the ZBS and have for years.
If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it should be for YOU PEOPLE!!
The Houston Texans pushed teams off the LOS, smashed them in the face with a physical FB, and have Foster and Tate run over DB’s.
It might be the most physical rushing style in the league right now.
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yeah, it’s sooooo physical, especially when the outside zone run is called and the lineman that are coverd, there first step is lateral.
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Exactly.
Those outside zone runs that Knapp called during that goal line situation were just terrible calls!
If your going to call an outside developing run, he should just pitch it to DMC and let him run to the corner pylon for a TD.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Why can’t we just have Al Saunders as our OC? What’s so bad about that?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
“So the guys on this blog think they are going to get through to Seymour by complaining about him on the Internet? Makes sense”
Now you are getting my sarcasm. very good. Its funny if you think about it.
This place is a great way to get free entertainment if you can laugh at it you will have fun here and every once and a while you will get some early news and or good info.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
DKnight,
You and I may be the only ones on this blog who thought Hue did okay considering all he had to contend with.
Starting QB goes down, GM dies and isn’t replaced, lame DC, all the injuries INCLUDING YOUR BEST PLAYER.
No. Hue was supposed to overcome all that and coach us to glory.
That being said, i like DA so far and was happy he’s aboard. I just think Hue has taken way too much hate from the nation.
He did his best.
I know, I know. “If he’s so great why didn’t anybody offer him a real job”?
I never said he was great, or even that good. I’m just saying he wasn’t as bad as people make him out to be
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Fans will start to appreciate what Hue brought to the table and to this team when Knapps offense struggles to score TD’s this year. Watch!
I don’t mind DA at all being hired….at least not yet. I didn’t like the hiring of Knapp as OC and I hope Knapp proves most of us wrong. He has a long way to go though.
Reason why Hue wasn’t offered another HC or OC job this year, is because he mouth got him into trouble. It wasn’t because he couldn’t call plays or lead men.
Hue will be an OC play caller again within 2 years. Watch.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Dknight,
Google Andy Moeller, there O-line coach.
Strict ZBS guy.
A quote and a link:
“Rice’s lateral agility, which carries a combination of quickness and discreet power, makes him perfect for the one-cut running style that Baltimore’s zone-blocking system demands. ”
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/baltimore-ravens-2012-n-f-l-season-preview/
August 19th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
I’m kinda p.o’ed at Moore with another blown hammy. Same with jones. It comes down to conditioning and comittment. The new conditioning coaches need to get these guys healthy and keep em there.
I like our starters but this team is pretty thin. Cant afford lengthy injuries to our star players.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
In any conversation, argument, or debate; the need to reference another viewpoint only serves to weaken your opinion.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Drew Stanton looking sharper than Palmer did on Fri night… and the list continues to grow.
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LOL, he looks better than Manning and Rivers too then, huh? lol. Could probably throw Big Ben in there and alot more QB’s also, lol
August 19th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I think we should wait before we fire Knapp but if this offense can’t be successful with a healthy McFadden and Palmer then he shouldn’t coach again.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Streator and Criner are our starting wr’s for game 1.
Just accept it and hope for the best.
It is what it is.
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I sure hope not bro, I think we will get a couple guys back by game 1
August 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
If Hubris Jackson did not have Bush, the results you’re seeing this preseason would be far, far worse in comparison…
Besides didn’t Knappy have to deal with Duh marcus the last time he was here?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
It would be different if this was Knapps first time here and he didn’t have a stint before this one. But we know he is crap. He is crap even after Al is gone. His playcalling hasnt changed aka calling a draw on 3rd and 8. That’s why I would be more patient with the guy before hating on him but Christ on a cracker man we can’t move the ball.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Dknight,
Google Andy Moeller, there O-line coach.
Strict ZBS guy.
A quote and a link:
“Rice’s lateral agility, which carries a combination of quickness and discreet power, makes him perfect for the one-cut running style that Baltimore’s zone-blocking system demands. ”
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/
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How long as Moeller been the O-Line coach and does he call the plays?
When I see BMore play on offense, I don’t see them running ZBS plays 100% of the time and they do plenty of counters, traps and pulling.
I watch B More play alot the last 3 years. I have Rice in a fantasy dynasty league.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
One of the single most hilarious posts I have ever read here!
Must be talkin’ about Kooky Kell.
That dude couldn’t spell “sale” even if you spotted him t s, a, l, and e.
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Plunketthead Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The maid, holla, loiser, bettilou, me and we box them record them with the gathered datum and archive them for future reference.
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Speaking of references, do you pay well? I know a 60 + year old realtor from Oakland. He is worthless and the old lady is about to kick him out. He cant list houses let alone sell them but I bet he could pick up poo.
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oh we gather the loafs, but once a week we douche the place with lysol to keep the flies at bay. but hey, how much can a trailer really deprecciate?
hope yawl never experience one exiting sideways. wouldn’t wish that on any enemy or ex i’ve ever had.
GRIZZ GRIZZ TAKIN IT SHO BIZ
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I don’t think Ford will be back…and Moore hasn’t really even practiced even IF he’s deemed “healthy” enough.
The only possibility I see is DHB coming back.
Then we have Streator and DHB.
Good news that Taiwan is back practicing.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion Reggie Mac is gonna hire a RB pretty soon…
He’s got his 6 plus million in cap space and is waiting for a short-yardage specialista to fall, just watch…
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Steelers 3rd string QB, Johnson, looking sharper than Palmer. SMH
August 19th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
So far Raider offense looks like they’re playing with lead weights around their ankles.
Every yard gained looks like they are battling for their life to get.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raidertalk Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion Reggie Mac is gonna hire a RB pretty soon…
He’s got his 6 plus million in cap space and is waiting for a short-yardage specialista to fall, just watch…
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Whoa man!! Totally goin out on a limb there!
August 19th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
http://www.smellypoop.com/facts_about_poop.php
oh my. this website is a plethora of information.
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August 19th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
i have a feeling t. jones will pull his hammy on first carry he gets.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
GB is so sharp and crisp with their offense. Rodgers back there smiling and effortlessly moving the ball.
Raiders O just looks like everything is such a struggle.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
DONT BE A OAF JUST PINCH A LOAF
missus b gonna get downrite nasty
HOLLA
August 19th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
HOLLA
August 19th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
63.redshirt Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Steelers 3rd string QB, Johnson, looking sharper than Palmer. SMH
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Is it too crowded over on the Charger blog or something?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Memo to all you Knapp nut lickers – HE WASN’T EVEN THE OC IN HOUSTON, JUST THE QB COACH. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH THE SUCCESS OF ARIAN FOSTER AND CO. And yeah he coached up Schaub a little, but he wasn’t calling plays.
Our offense looks stagnant, utterly lethargic and pathetic.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
missus,
you like when a guy gives u a chilli dog?
August 19th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
DJ Judy,
Lifelong Raiders fan here and I have not been impressed with ANY of our QBs this preseason. Take your blinders off, dweeb.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Memo to all you Knapp nut lickers – HE WASN’T EVEN THE OC IN HOUSTON, JUST THE QB COACH. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH THE SUCCESS OF ARIAN FOSTER AND CO. And yeah he coached up Schaub a little, but he wasn’t calling plays.
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The truth
August 19th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
August 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
August 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
“Memo to all you Knapp nut lickers – HE WASN’T EVEN THE OC IN HOUSTON, JUST THE QB COACH. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH THE SUCCESS OF ARIAN FOSTER AND CO. And yeah he coached up Schaub a little, but he wasn’t calling plays.”
I am with you
August 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Knapp hasn’t had a successful passing attack as an OC this century.
Hue was creative in making the best use of the offensive weapons that we have.
I can see Knapp having a descent running attack, but he’s trying to run a passing attack that DOES NOT FIT the personnel we have.
So Palmer will suddenly look “crap” and “out of sync”. The receivers “timing” will be off.
They are not “let’s time a route perfectly” WRs and Palmer isn’t a “let’s roll out and hit them on this short crossing route” type of players.
They have speed. Palmer has an arm.
AS I’ve said since the coaching hirings, the offense regression will offset any defensive improvements.
I like Dennis Allen, but think we would’ve had a better chance of going further if we kept Huey and just got a REAL Defensive Coordinator. Then the offense would’ve continued to roll, and the defense would’ve been competitive (like it is now having an actual coach who can coach and make the best use of the players over there).
The players on defense are probably WORSE than we had last year, but the coaches will make a hellova lot of better use of them so we’ll play A LOT BETTER on defense.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
August 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
DJ Judy… you’re on my side, blasting the Raiders’ offense. So why are you calling me a Sandy Eggo fan?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
So the guys on this blog think they are going to get through to Seymour by complaining about him on the Internet? Makes sense
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Sorry pal but it’s not complaining. It’s more venting and sharing opinions. Most of the people I work with and a few of my friends are Raider haters so rarely do I get a chance to actually discuss or read honest opinions from Raider fans talking Raider football.
So what… the blog is talkin sh1t about an over payed nearly washed up DL. Does Seymour read this blog? Probably not. Wish he would.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
August 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
August 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
“Memo to all you Knapp nut lickers – HE WASN’T EVEN THE OC IN HOUSTON, JUST THE QB COACH. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH THE SUCCESS OF ARIAN FOSTER AND CO. And yeah he coached up Schaub a little, but he wasn’t calling plays.”
I am with you
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Said it since day one. He ain’t coached a top 15 offense since the 1990’s. Ain’t coached better than a lower of the pack passing offense either. And passing is the name of the game in the league these days.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
I would rather have the Colts #3 than ours.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Hey -I get your beatchin’ about Seymour – but get this. We’ll probably have one of the top 3 D-Lines this year in the NFL. He’s a part of it.
Is he playing like the superhero that he should be – no. But, I think he’ll get things done.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Let’s be real here guys. Hue Jackson wasn’t going to be the Raiders OC after he was the HC. He wasn’t going to take a demotion. So unless people wanted him to have the reigns on the team then all this hue back at OC talk is kinda dumb.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
GB is so sharp and crisp with their offense. Rodgers back there smiling and effortlessly moving the ball.
Raiders O just looks like everything is such a struggle.
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Wrong scheme and not utilizing the personnel correctly will do that.
Look at the difference a good coach and scheme makes for our D.
Heck, for that matter, look at the difference between last year and this year. I don’t even think we utilized Reece AT ALL as a weapon in this offense.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
So far Raider offense looks like they’re playing with lead weights around their ankles.
Every yard gained looks like they are battling for their life to get.
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Add your Handle to my list if you don’t care for Knapps ZBS. this is a case where I know the fans know more than the coach. If I get 1,000 signatures I’ll call the Raiders and ask them if they would like me to print a copy and mail it to them.
FANS WHO DO NOT CARE FOR KNAPPS ZBS:
Gomer
Bunk Moorland
Al_is_theraiders
August 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Let’s be real here guys. Hue Jackson wasn’t going to be the Raiders OC after he was the HC. He wasn’t going to take a demotion. So unless people wanted him to have the reigns on the team then all this hue back at OC talk is kinda dumb
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LOL, maybe he should have considered it since he is now an assistant ST coach. Quite the demotion there.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
So, who’s slated to be the Luck of the 2013 draft class.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
ZBS only works if you have the proper tools in place to fit that system.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Well yea but I’m sure he didn’t know he would be an assistant ST coach haha. No one in the NFL does lol
August 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Add your Handle to my list if you don’t care for Knapps ZBS. this is a case where I know the fans know more than the coach. If I get 1,000 signatures I’ll call the Raiders and ask them if they would like me to print a copy and mail it to them.
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You think they are really going to give a sh!t? Lmao
Exhibit A of why this place is ridiculous
August 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Great article on Ihenacho, Jerry.
I didn’t realize we picked him up in December, his play reminds me of Minnesota’s FA, Randle.
so make that 34 players returning and making the 53-man roster.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Relax… Its only pre season. The team is working on things we need to improve on and keeping things we do well secret until the start of the regular season. We will be a much better team this year and we will make the playoff… Lets Go Raiders..Lets Go!
August 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
You think they are really going to give a sh!t? Lmao
Exhibit A of why this place is ridiculous
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Exhibit B is everyone calling for Knapp’s head when our offense (through two preseason games) is BETTER than last year’s. Yards are more or less a tie, and we’ve scored 6 more points.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Don’tgivea crud about ‘Hospice Hue’,
i’m way more concerned with our current ST coach and the numerous mistakes on ST so far…
August 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raiders O just looks like everything is such a struggle.
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It’s been like 6 drives so far this year, none with D-Moore or our starting TE, half without D-Mac.
Jeezus!!!!
August 19th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
When I see BMore play on offense, I don’t see them running ZBS plays 100% of the time and they do plenty of counters, traps and pulling.
I watch B More play alot the last 3 years. I have Rice in a fantasy dynasty league.
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Well that’s great and all, but the facts remain, he is a ZBS coach, and they ARE UNIVERSALLY REGARDED as a stritct ZBS team.
NOBODY in the NFL runs ANYTHING 100% of the time. I saw a nice D-Mac run with Briesel kicking out on a pull on Friday.
We will be fine, and we will score more points and win more games than last year.
Not an iota of doubt in my mind about it.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and I finally felt the need to make an account and post here. The majority of you guys on here are FREAKING idiots. Like I’m talkin stupidest people I have ever seen. Makes me embarrassed as a raider fan to read some of the stuff you guys post on here.
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Not really stupid. Just over-reactionary blowhards… and its especially bad after any practice game or RS loss.
I try not to pay much attention to pre-season football. Its like a magic show… you can never be sure of what you are watching. People commenting on practice games like they have any meaning should be even more discounted.
Hope this helps.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Palmer needs to call his own game. He has a better feel and flow than knapp.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Every team in the league runs both ZBS and angle blocking. It’s just a matter of which is your primary set.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
six zb bs drives..get yards all day and not score.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Yes I do not think DVD and Barksdale will be on the Raiders roster this year, they still have too much talent to be cut, I predict they’ll be traded.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Jeez I can’t wait until we win a game so the broads on here can just turn around, get on all fours, and get in their place.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Exhibit B is everyone calling for Knapp’s head when our offense (through two preseason games) is BETTER than last year’s. Yards are more or less a tie, and we’ve scored 6 more points.
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We have scored 20 points altogether in two games…….and our offense is better? What? Lol
August 19th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Gomer Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Palmer needs to call his own game. He has a better feel and flow than knapp.
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You do realize coaches don’t use much of the playbook in practice games right?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Preseason doesn’t mean anything. Squat, zilch, nada. Talk to me at week
4.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I half agree and disagree with the idea that preseason games are not telling of anything or important.
There are trends that you can see continue in a team through the season that once the year is over, you can trace back all the way to preseason. For the Raiders, in previous years, have been penalties, turnovers, incompletions, average QB play, bad D, and poor special teams coverage on Kick offs and punts, both while returning kicks, and kicking off.
So far this year, I am happy to see that our penalties have been way down, that our D seems to be a lot better (starters anyway), and that DMac is still a force.
Here’s the things that bother me a bit though. The QB play. Palmer has been ok, but the drops, and wild throws he makes sometimes are worrisome. 2 Ints in two games, thought not entirely his fault, are a bit much. Also that we have not been able to score in either one of our opening drives. Aside from a couple young guys, our WRs seem to not be in the form of last year. Granted Moore is not back yet, still, something to think about.
On D things are a lot better. But our passing D seems to not be where it should just yet.
Special teams have been horrible so far. Hopefully now that Shane comes back we can see some improvement in the kicking, holding, and blocking on this side of the ball.
These are just some things I have noticed. Not saying we are doomed, or anything like that, but after watching SD and Denver play so far, I would say we need to improve quite a bit in order to beat them this year.
Now this has been only 2 preseason games, which probably they havent even gameplan for all that much. So theres no reason to sound the alarms just yet, but there are things that the coaches need to keep an eye on and make changes if they dont improve.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I know someone on the Raiders’ coaching staff reads this and the S&B Pride blogs, because I posted on both sites a month ago that Jones, Moore, and other speedsters need to stop impressing coaches and teammates with their speed every play at practice; simply focus, execute, practice with 100% effort.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I don’t care about results as much as the playcalling. Results don’t matter in the preseason but mechancs do if that makes sense and if this is even an indicator of what offense is going to be this year then we are in trouble
August 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I know someone on the Raiders’ coaching staff reads this and the S&B Pride blogs, because I posted on both sites a month ago that Jones, Moore, and other speedsters need to stop impressing coaches and teammates with their speed every play at practice; simply focus, execute, practice with 100% effort.
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You can’t be serious are you? Like please tell me that was sarcasm
August 19th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Exhibit B is everyone calling for Knapp’s head when our offense (through two preseason games) is BETTER than last year’s. Yards are more or less a tie, and we’ve scored 6 more points.
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We have scored 20 points altogether in two games…….and our offense is better? What? Lol
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We’ve scored 27 points in two preseason games, compared to 21 last year.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
112.RaiderRetribution Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Jones, Moore, and other speedsters need to stop impressing coaches and teammates with their speed every play at practice; simply focus, execute, practice with 100% effort.
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With all due respect: This is an oxymoron, no?
August 19th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
#111
I just remember Palmer scrambling every time he went back to pass. Either the o line is very leaky or something just isn’t working. I know our d will be very good but Palmer and co. are better than the ZBS.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
We’ve scored 27 points in two preseason games, compared to 21 last year.
7 of those points were on defense……just sayin
August 19th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
These are just some things I have noticed. Not saying we are doomed, or anything like that, but after watching SD and Denver play so far, I would say we need to improve quite a bit in order to beat them this year.
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Just curious.. why would anyone do this? And how can anyone watch ANY practice game and determine how good any team is in comparison to anything? Some teams take practice games more seriously. Most don’t.
I bet if someone did a run-down of playoff teams and how well they played in pre-season, the result would be completely random.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Gomer Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
So far Raider offense looks like they’re playing with lead weights around their ankles.
Every yard gained looks like they are battling for their life to get.
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Add your Handle to my list if you don’t care for Knapps ZBS. this is a case where I know the fans know more than the coach. If I get 1,000 signatures I’ll call the Raiders and ask them if they would like me to print a copy and mail it to them.
FANS WHO DO NOT CARE FOR KNAPPS ZBS:
Gomer
Bunk Moorland
Al_is_theraiders
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They will probably say what I would say.
“Who gave the kindergarten class a stamp.”
August 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
retribution really believes this…
August 19th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
We’ve scored 27 points in two preseason games, compared to 21 last year.
7 of those points were on defense……just sayin
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As were 7 points from last year’s preseason.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
We’ve scored 27 points in two preseason games, compared to 21 last year.
7 of those points were on defense……just sayin
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Ok, are we all 15 years old here or something?
I am out… probably until the practice games are over.
Practice games are like IQ vacuums.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Gdog, that was a statement in the event that the things I mentioned continue into the regular season.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I hate to sound like the old hippy I am, but all this complaining over less than meaningful games is wasting space. I would rather Bltch Dog describing his dumps than get involved in old lady complaining.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I have a question for you semipro coaches,
can the west coast offense only be ran with the zbs, or can you do it with a power system as well?
I really would like to know, because I do like the WS O, but I am not too fond of the zbs. I think you really have to have the right personnel for it, and I am not sure we do.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Either way switching up the blocking scheme now isn’t going to happen
August 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
wco is better with a power blocking system. The only reason to use a zbs is if you have undersized olinemen, we have two brisel and carlisle. DMC just runs much more powerful when he knows where he is going, zbs forces him to make a read and cut.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
well, maybe not change it completely, but at least have enough sense that if it’s week 4 and we are 1-3 on the W-L record, because we cant score, then realize that we maybe need to make a few changes to the system.
I think a lot of the time coaches get so caught up in their own systems that they cant see that what they are doing is not working and it that isn’t going to. It is the coaches that can see and realize this that are successful. It is ok to have a system you believe in, and that you like to run, but don’t be so close minded that you won’t see that your system maybe is not a good fit for the team you currently have.
Just a thought…
August 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
The ZBS and it’s merits as a blocking scheme is not the issue here, teams have won Super Bowls using it just like other teams have won them using man-power schemes, both work.
The issue is Greg Knapp installing it when it does not seem to be the ideal fit for our players, as well as Knapp’s somewhat questionable play-calling skills and conservative approach.
That being said, we’re a work in progress, an adjustment period was to be expected and improvement should be as well, can’t pass judgement until the real games start.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
EM
We ran a West Coast Offense with Man-Power Blocking for 5 years under Jon Gruden and then Bill Callahan.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
YO DUDES
holla just pinched a lawg I’m really proud of. 8 pounds if raw mud laid center mark on the front porch.
now let’s roll another one.
DONT PINCH GO FOR THE EXTRA INCH
August 19th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Bob, I remember those days. And I would take that offense any day over today’s.
I just hope that in the case this system is not working for us, the coaches have enough sense to do something differently. But that is something we won’t know, like you said, until we are playing the real games.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
One more thing about Gruden’s offense though, he did have a pro bowl QB, hall of fame WRs, and top notch RBs. Along with a really good Oline.
A little different than today…lol
August 19th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
dudes chilax games don’t start until sep 12 .. Quit overreacting because of how knapp was in the past or Palmer int problems … Give them a chance in real games this year , if they start messing it up .. Then call for their head if they Eff up in real games.. Quit complainin about Pre-season results , you guys no better not to predict things based on Pre-season .. See DET 4-0 in their winless season Oak 4-1 in Shells 2-14 season .. 0-4 last year finished 8-8 n we would have made The playoffs if it wasnt for injuries .. Knapp never really had skill players every where he went , give him a freaking Bream , all the so called tip OC’s in the league have pretty good QB or above average players at most of the O positions, which knapp never really had, let him work with our skilled positions once
August 19th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I a definitely concerned about the o-line depth as well. Starting unit should be solid, but I’m Not totally convinced we have one serviceable backup. Bruce Campbell for Mike Goodson trade makes even less sense to me now. Louis Murphy trade also looks foolish with Ford and Moore’s injury histories? A conditional 7th round pick? WTF is that good for?
August 19th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
exactly reggie is not making this team better….
August 19th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Anyways I know we will finish better than 10-6 go Raiders
August 19th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Ok, I think I need to clarify what I am saying here.
I am not complaining about anything. Just saying that in the past, there has been trends that we saw in preseason coming from the Raiders, that most of us, including myself, disregarded at the time as being kinks of the preseason only and that they would be gone by the time the real season began. Which all of us know wasn’t the case.
So going along with that thought, so far this year, I have noticed some things that I think need to be watched and corrected before the season begins. Because they have that look of being an on going problem into the season. That’s all.
But we all know that we won’t really know for sure until the real season begins, just bringing up things that should be on everyone’s radar, including the coaches.
And if things don’t change, I hope that the coaches have the mind to do something about it, even if it means going away from what they believe in.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Chris In NY Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I a definitely concerned about the o-line depth as well. Starting unit should be solid, but I’m Not totally convinced we have one serviceable backup. Bruce Campbell for Mike Goodson trade makes even less sense to me now. Louis Murphy trade also looks foolish with Ford and Moore’s injury histories? A conditional 7th round pick? WTF is that good for?
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You had to make those trades at that time Bruce Campbell never was going to work out for us , Mike Goodson can be a good kick returner though , we had good WR depth and Murphy seemed like the odd man out , we could get I think as high as the 4th or 5th round pick for him depending on how he performs , so it was good deal at the team when it seemed like some ok to good WR were going to be cut for nothing
August 19th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
By week 4 we will have a good idea about Knapp’s ability as a play caller and the effectiveness of the zbs, till then I will reserve judgement, but if we start out 1-2 or 0-3, believe me, knapp will be feeling the heat then, more than chuck b felt it last year, Reggie and D A too. 0-3 will probably signal the demise of Carson Palmer as well, till then I will attempt to drink some kool aid but so far it does not look good…can’t blame people for overreacting in preseason either, especially after 10+ miserable seasons…this coaching staff needs to feel the heat of 10 years of not making the playoffs, that is what they all signed up for….they need to be on watch 24/7 and that includes Reggie and Mark Davis too.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
burn_209 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and I finally felt the need to make an account and post here. The majority of you guys on here are FREAKING idiots.
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Uh huh.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Seymour is not the leader of this team….& if he is….we don’t stand a chance….
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I’m with you on this one. I have seen plenty of con artists in my life and recognize one when I see one. Seymour is a fake IMO. Talks the talk but rarely walks the walk.
He’s an actor collecting a paycheck. All that talk about wanting to retire as a Raider is a proof of his fake ness. As soon as he’s done collecting pay checks he’ll sign a one day contract with his beloved new England Fakriots to retire as one. you just watch.
Reggie had no choice but to keep him this year thanks to the stupid contract Al handed this phony.
As for coach Allen not standing up to Seymour I agree with you again. Given the collective bargaining and reduction of number of practices I don’t see why.
I can’t wait to see Seymour and Slo gone. Who do we have instead of them? Nobody now but I don’t care. I want to see players who hustle and care and give 100%. Neither Seymour or Slo do that.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
exactly reggie is not making this team better….
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How are your Bronco’s looking?
August 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Go Raiders .. Playoffs are going to come this year it’s going to be well worth the 10 year wait because this is the year we will also capture our 4th Lombardy Trophy
August 19th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
#141 – agreed, though I know everyone on watch can be replaced, I don’t think Mark is going anywhere… I do however hope his haircut disappears.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I do love how the starting D is looking right now. A 21st century scheme has been sorely needed there an I think we could see remarkable results this year on that side of the ball because there is talent there.
I do think that could’ve been accomplished by simply bringing in a proven DC to run that side and kept Hue as HC to manage the offense.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Seymour is not the leader of this team….& if he is….we don’t stand a chance….
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I’m with you on this one. I have seen plenty of con artists in my life and recognize one when I see one. Seymour is a fake IMO. Talks the talk but rarely walks the walk.
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When you guys say these things it demonstrates how little about the game you know. The players have all said how Richard Seymour is by far the best player on the team. The coaching staff as well. Unless somehow you can explain how you two know more than the Raider players and coaching staff. And two years Rothleisberger said Seymour might be the best defensive player in the entire league. Last year, he was voted PFF All Pro. Again.
August 19th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
141.boss01 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
By week 4 we will have a good idea about Knapp’s ability as a play caller and the effectiveness of the zbs, till then I will reserve judgement, but if we start out 1-2 or 0-3, believe me, knapp will be feeling the heat then, more than chuck b felt it last year, Reggie and D A too. 0-3 will probably signal the demise of Carson Palmer as well, till then I will attempt to drink some kool aid but so far it does not look good…can’t blame people for overreacting in preseason either, especially after 10+ miserable seasons…this coaching staff needs to feel the heat of 10 years of not making the playoffs, that is what they all signed up for….they need to be on watch 24/7 and that includes Reggie and Mark Davis too.
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Let’s not make it worse than it is. It was SEVEN (7) miserable seasons. And yes..they sucked. The last two yrs. our record ranks in the upper half of the league of 32.
I don’t have a problem admitting the Raiders sucked during the darkest period of the franchises history but it was bad enough without adding more yrs. to the suck fest than what actually occured.
Raiders understandably are getting restless and ticked off we haven’t gotten to playoff level yet. I know I am.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I like Seymour. I like him a lot and believe he can still play at a very high level. I do wonder if the $15 mil or whatever we’re paying him for this season wouldn’t have been better spent elsewhere, simply because I truly believe Des Bryant can be an ELITE DT in this league – yes, ELITE – right now.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
That sequence by Goodson was troubling. I DO NOT want to see him out there if that’s any indication of what we can expect.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Seymour is not the leader of this team….& if he is….we don’t stand a chance….
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I’m with you on this one. I have seen plenty of con artists in my life and recognize one when I see one. Seymour is a fake IMO. Talks the talk but rarely walks the walk.
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When you guys say these things it demonstrates how little about the game you know. The players have all said how Richard Seymour is by far the best player on the team. The coaching staff as well. Unless somehow you can explain how you two know more than the Raider players and coaching staff. And two years Rothleisberger said Seymour might be the best defensive player in the entire league. Last year, he was voted PFF All Pro. Again.
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Allow me to explain my side. Richard Seymour knows when to turn it on like on his first game as a Raider and when to shut it down like most of last season to prolong his career.
As for probowl voting he was voted in purely by his reputation that he built when he was playing hard 100% when he was with the new England Cheaters. His excuses are these mysterious knee pains that come and go. At this stage of his career he is turning it on or off as he pleases to prolong his career. I’m not buying his knee pains.
As for big Ben he said that to butter him up before doing what he did to him and the team. It means jack. Seymour has a reputation for the excellent service he gave to Robert Kraft. He learned a hard lesson when Kraft kicked him to Al and Now he’s on cruise control.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Weren’t we sort of between a rock and a hardspot with Seymour’s contract, Chris in NY? I think we would have eaten quite a bit even if he’d been released, and doubt he would have agreed to accept a *significant paycut.
He won’t be retained at next year’s rate. I still think he can make some noise, however, and look for a resurgance of sorts this year.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Speaking of Richard Seymour.
During the Dallas game, Jon Gruden said that Seymour was the first player Dennnis Allen reached out to after getting hired, that he was the guy DA wanted to sell his program to because Seymour is the leader of the team and that DA knew if he could get Seymour to buy in, the rest of the players would follow.
Gruden said he did the same thing back in the day, Tim Brown was the guy he approached first.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Some of you guys act like Seymour is complete garbage. He wouldn’t be starting if he wasn’t the best we have available to us. Not with this staff. Sure he’s overpaid, but he’s not what some of you make him out to be.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Human nature, I guess. People are always looking for someone to blame.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Chris in NY.
It’s been awhile, good to see you buddy.
And I feel the same way about Desmond Bryant, I’m certain he’s gonna see as much snaps as Kelly and Seymour this year and take over Seymour’s spot in 2013.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
10+ miserable seasons…this coaching staff needs to feel the heat of 10 years of not making the playoffs, that is what they all signed up for….they need to be on watch 24/7 and that includes Reggie and Mark Davis too.
it wasn’t no 10 plus seasons. we were in the super bowl in’03 and we just came off 2 non losing seasons at .500.
its been bad but were headed in rigt direction i think.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
That’s assuming Seymour’s salary is too much for Reggie next year, but if Big Rich has a Pro Bowl type season under DA, maybe they work something out, either way, the rest of the League will soon know Desmond Bryant.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
EMRaiders Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
well, maybe not change it completely, but at least have enough sense that if it’s week 4 and we are 1-3 on the W-L record, because we cant score, then realize that we maybe need to make a few changes to the system.
I think a lot of the time coaches get so caught up in their own systems that they cant see that what they are doing is not working and it that isn’t going to. It is the coaches that can see and realize this that are successful. It is ok to have a system you believe in, and that you like to run, but don’t be so close minded that you won’t see that your system maybe is not a good fit for the team you currently have.
Just a thought…
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Agreed completely. I’m just worried that Knapp is one of those close-minded coaches trying to stick to “what he believes in” even when it’s not working at all.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
IMO Seymour is done.
He’s already staying out of practice and being “saved” so they can get as much juice out of him as they can.
If he’s in such a fragile physical condition that they have to do this then he doesn’t have long in this league.
It’s not his fault but the fact he’s the highest paid player in the league (defense) is ridiculous based on the impact he makes.
Highest paid and nobody out side of us ever even talks about him.
Yes. When he leaves us I have no doubt at all he will sign a one day contract and retire as a Patriot…. and that irks me.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Go Raiders
August 19th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Knapp hasn’t had a successful passing attack as an OC this century.
Hue was creative in making the best use of the offensive weapons that we have.
I can see Knapp having a descent running attack, but he’s trying to run a passing attack that DOES NOT FIT the personnel we have.
So Palmer will suddenly look “crap” and “out of sync”. The receivers “timing” will be off.
They are not “let’s time a route perfectly” WRs and Palmer isn’t a “let’s roll out and hit them on this short crossing route” type of players.
They have speed. Palmer has an arm.
AS I’ve said since the coaching hirings, the offense regression will offset any defensive improvements.
I like Dennis Allen, but think we would’ve had a better chance of going further if we kept Huey and just got a REAL Defensive Coordinator. Then the offense would’ve continued to roll, and the defense would’ve been competitive (like it is now having an actual coach who can coach and make the best use of the players over there).
The players on defense are probably WORSE than we had last year, but the coaches will make a hellova lot of better use of them so we’ll play A LOT BETTER on defense.
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Yep. It would have been better for the team overall if McK gave Hue another year with a REAL Defensive Coordinator.
Knapp better pull his head out of his azz.
The excuse with Knapp trying new things in preseason and not having Moore will only last so long.
They should just run the no huddle with Palmer more often.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
At least we’re set at DT for the present and future, Kelly and Seymour won’t play forever, Des Bryant, Lamarr Houston and Christo Bilukidi should anchor inside for years to come, Dom Hamilton may earn himself a spot too.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
EMRaiders Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
well, maybe not change it completely, but at least have enough sense that if it’s week 4 and we are 1-3 on the W-L record, because we cant score, then realize that we maybe need to make a few changes to the system.
I think a lot of the time coaches get so caught up in their own systems that they cant see that what they are doing is not working and it that isn’t going to. It is the coaches that can see and realize this that are successful. It is ok to have a system you believe in, and that you like to run, but don’t be so close minded that you won’t see that your system maybe is not a good fit for the team you currently have.
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Agreed completely. I’m just worried that Knapp is one of those close-minded coaches trying to stick to “what he believes in” even when it’s not working at all.
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Exactly.
Instead of playing to win and making proper adjustments and taking advantage of mis matches, Knapp will be a stubborn Offensive coach who sticks to what he believes instead of playing to WIN on offense.
That will cost this team wins this year, just like Chuck B’s crappy predictable defense cost the team wins last year.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Yes. When he leaves us I have no doubt at all he will sign a one day contract and retire as a Patriot…. and that irks me./////////////////////////////////////////////Not sure about that, but that would irk me too.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Another thing that irks me is all this reverence for other players and teams.
F the Patriots and the “Patriot Way” and how other teams do it and all that other crap.
The unsaid vibe is that Seymour is revered cuz he has his 3 rings with the Pats so he is somehow embodies with some special, magical aura of “ooooh…he was with the Patriots…oooooooh.”
I give him a high five for saving us at Arrowhead last yr. and from what I hear he does all these things we never see…but he does ‘em. I won’t even argue he does things I don’t see or notice which is what everyone says in response to any criticism toward him, but shouldn’t IMPACT players do things that you DO notice? Game changing type plays on occasion?
We need him and he’s a Raider right now so of course I want him to kick some butt this yr.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
There are reasons for concern and it’s valid to point them out, I know I do, but let’s wait for the season to start before panicking.
Godd night people.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
JT Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
If DA thought highly of Knapp as his OC, then his judging of talent is poor, id like to know what he saw in that man as a coach
He will be undrr duress this season once the offense implodes and the raider nation calls for his firing
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Check out my stats above. We’ve actually scored MORE points than we did last year at this point. Yards are a wash.
Why the Knapp hate?
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Knappy and his play calling have a lot to prove.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
The Special Teams look like crap also!
August 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Bob Marley Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hue getting fired is water under the bridge.
Even for those of us who would have liked to have him back with a new DC and under Reggie’s watch.
Without knowing what went on behind closed doors, I think Mark Davis should have sat him down and told him: “Hubert, I own this team and I’m picking the new GM, if you want a shot at keeping your job, I suggest you start going over last year’s film, do the stuff coaches do and get ready to be interviwed by the new guy.”
Then Reggie should have told Hue: “Listen, I’m calling the shots here, I think we can work together as long as you understand that you have to come to me, not the other way around; if you can deal with that I suggest we start talking about your staff, who do you want to keep and who needs to go, I suspect you’d like to start with Chuck…”.
My feeling is Mark wanted to get rid of Hue and have Reggie, his guy, pick a new Coach, HJ was Al’s guy and as such, mistakenly felt he had the right to take over or be heavily involved in football operations; going public about it was something he could never recover from, HJ played his hand wrong, but I also think ammends could have been made and the setup mentioned above could have worked, at least it was well worth a shot in 2012.
There was also another simple alternative once HJ was fired: DA could have given Al Saunders the reigns of the Offense so we could have some sort of continuity with that unit and build on the foundation previously layed while he and Tarver worked on fixing the Defense, but that was DA’s call, Reggie gave him room and he decided to bypass Saunders and get Knapp, good or bad we’re not putting that one on Reggie.
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Outstanding post.
On Hue Jax, I would like to add this:
A valid case could be made for firing HJ based on his game day management alone. Not kicking the FG against Cleveland and not going for 2 against Detroit, but worst of all – not admitting he goofed, could be grounds for termination.
You add in the fact that the Raids got absolutely BLOWN OUT by Miami and Green Bay and that the team looked incredibly flat and unprepared in consecutive weeks. The Raids were not competitive in those games in the heat of a race to win the division. Unacceptable.
If Al didn’t die, Hue would probably still be the coach. If Hue showed Mark Davis the proper respect, he might still be the coach. Hue sealed his own fate by trying to bully Mark Davis and making a power grab. Hue left Mark little choice but to can him.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Palmer needs to step it up and cut the INT’s also!
August 19th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
raidertalk Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
If Hubris Jackson did not have Bush, the results you’re seeing this preseason would be far, far worse in comparison…
Besides didn’t Knappy have to deal with Duh marcus the last time he was here?
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Ummm, some reporter tried to bait Knapp into ripping JaMarcus a couple of months ago, but instead he praised him for the progress he made while he coached him and regretted the fact that the staff was blown up and he couldn’t continue working with him. Knapp is a damn good coach and his system produces lots of rushing yards and wide open receivers. Guys were wide open on Friday night, we just need Palmer and the receivers to execute. And by the way, Knapp’s system cannot be blamed for the idiotic interceptions Palmer has thrown in his three quarters of work this preseason. I’m convinced the guy is just dumb. Call JR all the names you want, but there’s no way in Hell he makes those dumbsht decisions.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Bob Marley Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hue getting fired is water under the bridge.
Even for those of us who would have liked to have him back with a new DC and under Reggie’s watch.
Without knowing what went on behind closed doors, I think Mark Davis should have sat him down and told him: “Hubert, I own this team and I’m picking the new GM, if you want a shot at keeping your job, I suggest you start going over last year’s film, do the stuff coaches do and get ready to be interviwed by the new guy.”
Then Reggie should have told Hue: “Listen, I’m calling the shots here, I think we can work together as long as you understand that you have to come to me, not the other way around; if you can deal with that I suggest we start talking about your staff, who do you want to keep and who needs to go, I suspect you’d like to start with Chuck…”.
My feeling is Mark wanted to get rid of Hue and have Reggie, his guy, pick a new Coach, HJ was Al’s guy and as such, mistakenly felt he had the right to take over or be heavily involved in football operations; going public about it was something he could never recover from, HJ played his hand wrong, but I also think ammends could have been made and the setup mentioned above could have worked, at least it was well worth a shot in 2012.
There was also another simple alternative once HJ was fired: DA could have given Al Saunders the reigns of the Offense so we could have some sort of continuity with that unit and build on the foundation previously layed while he and Tarver worked on fixing the Defense, but that was DA’s call, Reggie gave him room and he decided to bypass Saunders and get Knapp, good or bad we’re not putting that one on Reggie.
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Outstanding post.
On Hue Jax, I would like to add this:
A valid case could be made for firing HJ based on his game day management alone. Not kicking the FG against Cleveland and not going for 2 against Detroit, but worst of all – not admitting he goofed, could be grounds for termination.
You add in the fact that the Raids got absolutely BLOWN OUT by Miami and Green Bay and that the team looked incredibly flat and unprepared in consecutive weeks. The Raids were not competitive in those games in the heat of a race to win the division. Unacceptable.
If Al didn’t die, Hue would probably still be the coach. If Hue showed Mark Davis the proper respect, he might still be the coach. Hue sealed his own fate by trying to bully Mark Davis and making a power grab. Hue left Mark little choice but to can him.
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Firing Hue for game day management alone….would have utter stupidity.
Hue was a ROOKIE head coach.
Let’s see if you want DA to get fired when he screws up game day management and time clock management. It will happen cause he is a rookie HC.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
you guys need to chill about knapp.. the guy has had only one decent QB to work with since he has been an OC and that was garcia with san fran rght? even garcia isnt really all that decent now that i think of it.. but seriously, i believe palmer and knapp can work it out and get this offense moving like it should.. otherwise, if we arent scoring points by week 4, i truly think the reggie will fire him and saunders will step in and call the plays..
August 19th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
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When you guys say these things it demonstrates how little about the game you know. The players have all said how Richard Seymour is by far the best player on the team. The coaching staff as well. Unless somehow you can explain how you two know more than the Raider players and coaching staff. And two years Rothleisberger said Seymour might be the best defensive player in the entire league. Last year, he -was voted PFF All Pro. Again.
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Where was Seymour when Detroit was marching down the field to destroy our season? Or when we had SD down at their 1/2 yd. line? THAT’S when I expect an impact player to….make a big play.
He was All Pro 2nd team which is great. Although he failed to crack the NFL’s Top 100 as voted by the players.
I’m sick of talking about him. I hope he has a great year and makes some big clutch plays like he did at Arrowhead.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
I’m sick of talking about him. I hope he has a great year and makes some big clutch plays like he did at Arrowhead.———————————————
well said man, i think RS and TK are gonna wreck some QB heads this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDEEERRRRSSSSSSSSSSS
August 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
so, what do you guys think? if we start the season 1-3 or even 0-4 and it is clearly because of the offensive side of the ball, what do you guys think reggie will do?????
August 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
you guys need to chill about knapp.. the guy has had only one decent QB to work with since he has been an OC and that was garcia with san fran rght? even garcia isnt really all that decent now that i think of it.. but seriously, i believe palmer and knapp can work it out and get this offense moving like it should.. otherwise, if we arent scoring points by week 4, i truly think the reggie will fire him and saunders will step in and call the plays..
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Nah. I’m not going to chill until Knapp and Palmer get the passing game going and start scoring TD’s and look to be in some kind rythem on offense instead of struggling.
The OLine blitz protection needs to get better as well.
Quickly.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
We need to get healthy on offense to see what we have.
I hope DA doesn’t keep players because of contract status or draft position.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Debo. Still, really?
August 19th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Bob Marley Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Speaking of Richard Seymour.
During the Dallas game, Jon Gruden said that Seymour was the first player Dennnis Allen reached out to after getting hired, that he was the guy DA wanted to sell his program to because Seymour is the leader of the team and that DA knew if he could get Seymour to buy in, the rest of the players would follow.
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And how did Seymour respond ?
By refusing to show up for the non-mandatory OTA’s.
Not good. Probably not forgotten.
Unless Seymour has an outstanding season, he’s got one foot on a banana peel and the other out the door.
Might be a goner even if he has an all-pro season.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
so, what do you guys think? if we start the season 1-3 or even 0-4 and it is clearly because of the offensive side of the ball, what do you guys think reggie will do?????
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It depends how pissed off and impatient Raider Nation gets and trust me…we will be very impatient when it comes to seeing our offense regress and struggle after the improvement that was made the last two years.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Firing Hue for game day management alone….would have utter stupidity.
Hue was a ROOKIE head coach.
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Please.
You’re up by 14 with 4 minutes to go and elect to go for it on 4th and Goal instead of kicking a FG ?
I don’t give a fk if you’re an INFANT head coach, that’s a mistake that can’t be excused. And to make matters worse, you say you’d DO IT AGAIN, instead of admitting you fk’d up.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
LOL…I love me some Raiderman99
August 19th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
you guys need to chill about knapp.. the guy has had only one decent QB to work with since he has been an OC and that was garcia with san fran rght? even garcia isnt really all that decent now that i think of it.. but seriously, i believe palmer and knapp can work it out and get this offense moving like it should.. otherwise, if we arent scoring points by week 4, i truly think the reggie will fire him and saunders will step in and call the plays..
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Nah. I’m not going to chill until Knapp and Palmer get the passing game going and start scoring TD’s and look to be in some kind rythem on offense instead of struggling.
The OLine blitz protection needs to get better as well.
Quickly.
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have you been watching other games? look at sandy eggo for instance.. rivers has 3 ints so far.. manning has 3 ints.. neither team looks “in rythem” on offense. are they wooried that they will look like the ‘06 raiders offense? no.. should we be worried about that? no.. its preseason. we are looking at a limited variety of plays that are “game planned” for one half of play.. no team in the nfl is going to look mid-season form right now.. so, like i said chill out, and freak out if we start the season 0-4..
August 19th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Raiders practice notes (cont): Greg Knapp particularly vocal today. He wants more from offense.
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“Its a lot easier to start tough and get nicer than it is to start nice and get tough”
-Pat Summit-
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“Manning threw two interceptions Saturday against Seattle (he had one the previous week against Chicago…”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21351819/broncos-qb-peyton-manning-wants-see-fewer-turnovers?source=pkg
Manning has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games with the Broncos…
So using the logic of some of you guys in here, Peyton manning sucks and should be cut as well right? Pathetic, smh.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Manning has looked worse on the int’s he threw.
One was to a lineman and the other Fri.nite was almost a carbon copy of what Carson did against AZ.
Oh and he’s 4 yrs. older than Carson…
But…Palmer is done and Peyton is “getting his bearings” of course.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Manning’s first pick didn’t look good at all. An overthrown wobbling floater that was an easy pick.
Sorry to say his arm looked fine besides that throw. Decent velocity and good accuracy.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“Manning threw two interceptions Saturday against Seattle (he had one the previous week against Chicago…”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21351819/broncos-qb-peyton-manning-wants-see-fewer-turnovers?source=pkg
Manning has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games with the Broncos…
So using the logic of some of you guys in here, Peyton manning sucks and should be cut as well right? Pathetic, smh.
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read post #186
i agree man, we should freak out only if we start the season 0-4 and its because of the offense, otherwise we will be fine..
August 19th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“Manning threw two interceptions Saturday against Seattle (he had one the previous week against Chicago…”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21351819/broncos-qb-peyton-manning-wants-see-fewer-turnovers?source=pkg
Manning has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games with the Broncos…
So using the logic of some of you guys in here, Peyton manning sucks and should be cut as well right? Pathetic, smh.
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So many things wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time. He missed all of last year and is on a new team with new players. Saw one of the interceptions and Tamme was wide open, Manning just overthrew him. He gets the benefit of the doubt. Palmer hasn’t done jack sht the last few years, or most of his career for that matter. He’s now thrown 38 picks in his last 27 games. And both picks this preseason are of the mind-blowing variety. Not just bad throws, but God-awful reads. It’s like the dude is TRYING to throw picks. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
So many things wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time. He missed all of last year and is on a new team with new players. Saw one of the interceptions and Tamme was wide open, Manning just overthrew him. He gets the benefit of the doubt. Palmer hasn’t done jack sht the last few years, or most of his career for that matter. He’s now thrown 38 picks in his last 27 games. And both picks this preseason are of the mind-blowing variety. Not just bad throws, but God-awful reads. It’s like the dude is TRYING to throw picks. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning.
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so what are you tryin to say exactly? do you think we have the worst QB in the nfl at the helm? are you saying palmer should give up because YOU think he sucks worst than jawalrus russell? im sorry you doubt our starting QB so much, but we will certainly find out in a few weeks.. i on the other hand am pretty excited to see whats in store this year after seeing our defense look half way decent..
August 19th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
better defense= more opportunities for the offense
August 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
OAKLAND RAIDERS @RAIDERS
The Raiders want to wind down training camp w/ strong practices, continued focus & improvement. Camp Notebook Day 15:
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Winding down?????….as opposed to HEATING UP….
I don’t like it….
This whole organization needs to have a meeting…they are ALL in denial…every last one of em’
The denial has even spread to the media covering training CAMP…
Let’s be honest though….CAMP has been nothing short of vacation for everyone….
They can all call it what they want…but we all know they are missing their own beds….their own toilets….their special comforts of home….
Face it folks….this organization has a WEAK MINDSET…they wanna go home!
This Raiders & Company tweet speaks to the opposite of what they’ve been doing the entire last week….
They are going to finish up with Strong Practices?
LOL….are you implying that you’ve been doing otherwise? Certainly seems like it.
You wanted to do it your way…with your stamp…we’ll see if that stamp gets delivered?
Don’t get mad at me…I’m just playing the Devil’s Advocate…and Big AL wouldn’t have it any other way!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcQapj2mXSw
August 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time.
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1st ballot HOF ? No doubt.
Best QB of all time ? Not after JaMoron makes his comeback.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
So many things wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time. He missed all of last year and is on a new team with new players. Saw one of the interceptions and Tamme was wide open, Manning just overthrew him. He gets the benefit of the doubt. Palmer hasn’t done jack sht the last few years, or most of his career for that matter. He’s now thrown 38 picks in his last 27 games. And both picks this preseason are of the mind-blowing variety. Not just bad throws, but God-awful reads. It’s like the dude is TRYING to throw picks. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning.
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so what are you tryin to say exactly? do you think we have the worst QB in the nfl at the helm? are you saying palmer should give up because YOU think he sucks worst than jawalrus russell? im sorry you doubt our starting QB so much, but we will certainly find out in a few weeks.. i on the other hand am pretty excited to see whats in store this year after seeing our defense look half way decent..
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I’m saying that instead of making idiotic comparisons and excuses, recognize our QB needs to get his act together. Knapp knows what he’s doing, but if Palmer insists on making bonehaded decisions, we’re doomed. And as far as Palmer giving up, I hope not, especially with Leinart’s injury history. But let’s be honest, it wouldn’t be the 1st time he quit.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time.
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1st ballot HOF ? No doubt.
Best QB of all time ? Not after JaMoron makes his comeback.
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You never know.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
So Palmers TWO picks are of the mind blowing variety?
Whatever.
Can u please cite ONE CREDIBLE source who said anything about Jamarcus Russell being anything other than one of the biggest busts in NFL history?
You seem to be the only person who thinks otherwise.
Why is that?
August 19th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
…i’m talking about AFTER he left the Raiders. We all know good things were said about BEFORE he actually played…just like Ryan Leaf.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
…i’m talking about AFTER he left the Raiders. We all know good things were said about BEFORE he actually played…just like Ryan Leaf.
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http://profootball.scout.com/2/971459.html
August 19th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
I can’t stand Matty Lice.
But I gotta give credit where credit is due.
That was a hellacious hit he took in Az.
Was surprised the Liceman got up and jogged off the field.
Not going to question his toughness again…
Until he’s out for the season due to the boo-boo on his hand that needed two stitches.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
190.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Manning’s first pick didn’t look good at all. An overthrown wobbling floater that was an easy pick.
Sorry to say his arm looked fine besides that throw. Decent velocity and good accuracy.
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He also threw a sure pick to the Bears that was inexplicably dropped on the first drive before the other int.
I’m not ripping him, i’m just comparing how some are saying Palmer is done when he’s actually thrown less int’s in preseason.
One could argue (and we have) that Palmers 1st pick was actually a pretty good throw as well.
I’m also not saying that Manning doesn’t worry me. Of course he does.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Why is it people are so stupid? Moore’s & Jones’ hammy injuries aren’t from lack of conditioning. Just like the abundance of lat injuries in baseball are the resulf of bad conditioning.
what it is is players nowadays are building muscle @ such a rate that sometimes a weakness is created in the muscle from over use or overtraining. The muscles are so built up they skeleton can’t support it. The muscles can stretch farther, are stronger & can handle a larger workload. But when a weakness is created the muscle flat goes.
it is more to the point that perhaps the player isn’t successfully hydrated or recovers quickly enough following a workout or a ballgame.
This is why Melky Cabrerra got busted. The testosterone he was taking wasn’t to build up his body; merely to aid the recovery effort between ballgames. man, why don’t people get it? Because their only reading is of Jerry & this blog. . .
August 19th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“Manning threw two interceptions Saturday against Seattle (he had one the previous week against Chicago…”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21351819/broncos-qb-peyton-manning-wants-see-fewer-turnovers?source=pkg
Manning has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games with the Broncos…
So using the logic of some of you guys in here, Peyton manning sucks and should be cut as well right? Pathetic, smh.
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Nice post. Incredible that some so-called fans are ready to write the book on this year’s Raiders based on a couple of exhibition games.
Even better is that some fans somehow find a way to excuse Manning for having thrown more picks and berate Palmer. Manning gets a pass because he missed all of last year yet they include all the picks Palmer threw 1 week removed from the couch. The irony and hypocrisy is stifling.
August 19th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
201.RaiderDebo Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
…i’m talking about AFTER he left the Raiders. We all know good things were said about BEFORE he actually played…just like Ryan Leaf.
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Ha. How about an article that was written since May of 2010?
By the way, they only said he “could” do well somewhere else…it’s been over two yrs. now.
Where is he?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Saturday’s game against Detroit will demonstrate a lot. I watched some of Lions v. Ravens game Friday night and the Lions are absolute contenders. They are an excellent club with 2nd and 3rd stringers who look better than the Raiders first team.
Mathew Stafford already has his game down, as well as Calvin Johnson: Stafford making great passes, Johnson catching them.
The Lions defense, with Suh and crew is openly hostile, like the Raiders used to be 40 yrs ago. They are dangerous, straight up, using a combination of great play, tremendous speed and aggressiveness, and cheap shots. Frankly speaking they had the Ravens’ heads spinning. These guys have killer instincts, are crazy in a controlled way, and are very young.
If the Raiders can compete then that will portend toward a good season. But if the Raiders get sucked through the ringer, CP will have his bell rung, and every injured player coming back this week will be re-injured.
Just pray that they don’t knock DMAC out for the season. Because if anyone team can do it, these boys will.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:05 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“Manning threw two interceptions Saturday against Seattle (he had one the previous week against Chicago…”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21351819/broncos-qb-peyton-manning-wants-see-fewer-turnovers?source=pkg
Manning has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games with the Broncos…
So using the logic of some of you guys in here, Peyton manning sucks and should be cut as well right? Pathetic, smh.
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So many things wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time. He missed all of last year and is on a new team with new players. Saw one of the interceptions and Tamme was wide open, Manning just overthrew him. He gets the benefit of the doubt. Palmer hasn’t done jack sht the last few years, or most of his career for that matter. He’s now thrown 38 picks in his last 27 games. And both picks this preseason are of the mind-blowing variety. Not just bad throws, but God-awful reads. It’s like the dude is TRYING to throw picks. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning.
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Debo your logic is severely lacking….The message in my post was not to assert that Palmer is as good as or better than Manning.
The point here is that even a Hall Of Fame Superbowl Champion QB can make mistakes, especially in the pre-season.
The similar factors that both Palmer and Manning are dealing with in their relatively new situations are, namely:
-Lack of chemistry with the new receivers they are playing with.
-Having to learn an entirely new scheme.
So as you can see Debo, in your feeble attempt at a comeback, you completely missed the entire point…smh
This is preseason. The whole purpose of it is to work out the snags, develop chemistry, and try different things that you wouldn’t necessarily try during the regular season for film study and training purposes.
Please try and keep up…smh
August 20th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Where is he?
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I can answer that.
Sitting in his own piss and shiit, semi-comatose from drinking sizzurp, after wiping out a Golden Corral.
The comeback begins right after his nurse changes and powders him.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:11 am
antispy3 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Why is it people are so stupid? Moore’s & Jones’ hammy injuries aren’t from lack of conditioning. Just like the abundance of lat injuries in baseball are the resulf of bad conditioning.
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Antispy3,
I have to tell you that in high school sports football and track and field my friends and I didn’t do conditioning drills and never took practice seriously.
In track, we did absolutely nothing except screw around. Yet, with no conditioning, stretching, weight lifting, etc., we played our sports. I personally never even heard of a hamstring in high school. We never strained anything, much less a “hammy.”
I think these fools on the Raiders are big time malingerers: if someone blinks wrong they strain their “hammy.”
I think they need to be traded away before they lose value by sitting on the bench too long. Look at Ford; DA now says his lil “foot strain” will flow over into the regular season.
Get rid of that bum, and now!
August 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:05 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“Manning threw two interceptions Saturday against Seattle (he had one the previous week against Chicago…”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21351819/broncos-qb-peyton-manning-wants-see-fewer-turnovers?source=pkg
Manning has thrown 3 interceptions in 2 games with the Broncos…
So using the logic of some of you guys in here, Peyton manning sucks and should be cut as well right? Pathetic, smh.
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So many things wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. Manning is a 1st-ballot HOFer, maybe the best QB of all time. He missed all of last year and is on a new team with new players. Saw one of the interceptions and Tamme was wide open, Manning just overthrew him. He gets the benefit of the doubt. Palmer hasn’t done jack sht the last few years, or most of his career for that matter. He’s now thrown 38 picks in his last 27 games. And both picks this preseason are of the mind-blowing variety. Not just bad throws, but God-awful reads. It’s like the dude is TRYING to throw picks. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning.
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Debo your logic is severely lacking….The message in my post was not to assert that Palmer is as good as or better than Manning.
The point here is that even a Hall Of Fame Superbowl Champion QB can make mistakes, especially in the pre-season.
The similar factors that both Palmer and Manning are dealing with in their relatively new situations are, namely:
-Lack of chemistry with the new receivers they are playing with.
-Having to learn an entirely new scheme.
So as you can see Debo, in your feeble attempt at a comeback, you completely missed the entire point…smh
This is preseason. The whole purpose of it is to work out the snags, develop chemistry, and try different things that you wouldn’t necessarily try during the regular season for film study and training purposes.
Please try and keep up…smh
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Tell you what, I’ll try to keep up when you quit comparing apples to oranges. My point was that Manning has a hell of a lot more snags to work out than Palmer does considering he’s on a completely new team with new players around him. And that’s AFTER missing all of last year following career-threatening neck surgery. And his HOF credentials suggest he’ll work out those kinks and return to record-setting form given time. Palmer doesn’t possess those credentials and he’s put some very bad play on tape the last couple of years. He’s in his second year with these receivers and he’s still fcking up. Unlike Manning, there’s no real reason to think he’ll get it turned around. And those picks had nothing to do with “working out snags”. Pop Waner QBs don’t make those idiotic throws. It’s time to wake up dude! At the very least you should be concerned. But if you want to keep the blinders on, be my guest.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Debo, I did challenge you to provide ONE credible person saying that Russell was something other than the biggest bust in NFL history and you provided an article from a credible outlet. Although i’ve never heard of Kristian Dyer, apparently he/she is a Jet beat writer now. The problem is the article never refutes he was a huge bust; it merely tries to lay the blame of his utter failure as a QB on the Raiders. Classy.
The article you cited was so bizarre that CBS Sports wrote an article in response to it and referred to the assertion that it was all everybody elses fault (but Russell’s) as “head scratchingly weird”.
At any rate you DID come up with something.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:31 am
1) Manning does show a lack of intelligence by staying in the game when he should have retired. Obviously he has a very high value, higher than that of his current position, on the commercial market as an announcer.
2) Manning further shows lack of intelligence by signing with the Broncos instead of the 49′ers. Now he is married to that mess with little chance of ever gaining another Superbowl.
If he had signed with the 49′ers he definitely would have gone deep into the playoffs and probably into the Superbowl, this season.
Maybe he was afraid to meet up with “lil” brother in the playoffs: who knows…..
3) On the other hand CP is sitting pretty now making $11M for the next 2 seasons. He can screw around, throw bone-headed INT’s, duck and run for cover against opposing blitzes, and G. Knapp will take all the blame.
Carson won’t take a pounding like Manning against whom opposing defense men are now lining up to take their shot in order to paralyze and put him (Manning) out of football with just one hit.
Considering the above facts, I believe that CP is more intelligent than PM.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:34 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Debo, I did challenge you to provide ONE credible person saying that Russell was something other than the biggest bust in NFL history and you provided an article from a credible outlet. Although i’ve never heard of Kristian Dyer, apparently he/she is a Jet beat writer now. The problem is the article never refutes he was a huge bust; it merely tries to lay the blame of his utter failure as a QB on the Raiders. Classy.
The article you cited was so bizarre that CBS Sports wrote an article in response to it and referred to the assertion that it was all everybody elses fault (but Russell’s) as “head scratchingly weird”.
At any rate you DID come up with something.
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It’s not just the writer. Look at the people cited. An NFL QB coach and Tom Martinez, Tom Brady’s personal tutor. Look at the kind words by our current OC just a few months ago. Not that I care because the Raiders’ ineptitude during JR tenure is as plain as the nose on your face. But I’m not the only one with the opinion that the Raider had as much or more to do with JR’s demise.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:34 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Unlike Manning, there’s no real reason to think he’ll get it turned around. And those picks had nothing to do with “working out snags”. Pop Waner QBs don’t make those idiotic throws. It’s time to wake up dude! At the very least you should be concerned. But if you want to keep the blinders on, be my guest.
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So again, let’s analyze YOUR brand of logic. Palmer is being forced to run a Rich Gannon type offense when he is a Vertical, down the field, pocket passer.
The receiver who he has developed the most chemistry with is injured. Jacoby Ford, the next most capable receiver with whom he probably has the most chemistry with is also injured early in the game.
DHB is still trapping the ball with his body and dropping routine NFL TD passes. So he is forced to resort to relying on rookie receivers who are still wet behind the ears.
And he’s running for his life most of the time because his starting Center is also injured.
Now Manning is having several of these same issues of CHEMISTRY and SCHEME and he ISN’T even being asked to run a West Coast style offense that he isn’t accustomed to!!!
Yet he somehow should get a pass and Palmer shouldn’t???
Like I said, the logic is severely flawed…
August 20th, 2012 at 12:40 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:34 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Unlike Manning, there’s no real reason to think he’ll get it turned around. And those picks had nothing to do with “working out snags”. Pop Waner QBs don’t make those idiotic throws. It’s time to wake up dude! At the very least you should be concerned. But if you want to keep the blinders on, be my guest.
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So again, let’s analyze YOUR brand of logic. Palmer is being forced to run a Rich Gannon type offense when he is a Vertical, down the field, pocket passer.
The receiver who he has developed the most chemistry with is injured. Jacoby Ford, the next most capable receiver with whom he probably has the most chemistry with is also injured early in the game.
DHB is still trapping the ball with his body and dropping routine NFL TD passes. So he is forced to resort to relying on rookie receivers who are still wet behind the ears.
And he’s running for his life most of the time because his starting Center is also injured.
Now Manning is having several of these same issues of CHEMISTRY and SCHEME and he ISN’T even being asked to run a West Coast style offense that he isn’t accustomed to!!!
Yet he somehow should get a pass and Palmer shouldn’t???
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You need to put down this violin you’re playing for Palmer. All these excuses for a 10-year veteran who is supposedly having a great offseason make me want to vomit. Please explain to me in full detail how Knapp’s system FORCED Palmer to throw those harebrained picks.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Is Debo male or female??
If Debo is male, such worship of the slug J Russell, speaks of a latent condition, that is often locked in the closet.
If Debo is female, such worship of the slug J Rusell, speaks of obsession, and some sort of emotional/physical blockage.
In any case, there is a pathological condition looped out here: while every one has moved on from Russell, Debo continues.
Whether male or female, if Debo had to be around Russell, had to hear him talk, snore, fart, this would do more to terminate the intense object of his/her desire than worlds worth of talk on this blog.
God help Debo to break the bonds to the biggest loser in the history of the NFL.
Maybe Debo could glam onto Ryan Leaf, who has a much more compelling story behind him.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:43 am
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Is Debo male or female??
If Debo is male, such worship of the slug J Russell, speaks of a latent condition, that is often locked in the closet.
If Debo is female, such worship of the slug J Rusell, speaks of obsession, and some sort of emotional/physical blockage.
In any case, there is a pathological condition looped out here: while every one has moved on from Russell, Debo continues.
Whether male or female, if Debo had to be around Russell, had to hear him talk, snore, fart, this would do more to terminate the intense object of his/her desire than worlds worth of talk on this blog.
God help Debo to break the bonds to the biggest loser in the history of the NFL.
Maybe Debo could glam onto Ryan Leaf, who has a much more compelling story behind him.
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It’s Nerd City in here tonight.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:45 am
RaiderDebo Says:
It’s Nerd City in here tonight.
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Yes Debo. Please go look at yourself in the mirror – right now.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Please explain to me in full detail how Knapp’s system FORCED Palmer to throw those harebrained picks.
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You obviously have no football knowledge whatsoever. Lack of chemistry, trust, and timing with your receivers is the number 1 problem when it comes to INT’s…
But obviously you don’t know that either…Knapp’s system is making Palmer look very uncomfortable in the pocket which exacerbates the problem…
But again, you obviously don’t know this either. Are you sure football is your thing? I think you should stick to Barbie and coloring books for your entertainment.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:49 am
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:45 am
RaiderDebo Says:
It’s Nerd City in here tonight.
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Yes Debo. Please go look at yourself in the mirror – right now.
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Just did. Like what I see. Takes a serious dork to even take the time to write #218. Got through the 1st two paragraphs and had to stop due to embarrassment. And I didn’t even write it. You should get out more.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:50 am
But first I want to know if Debo is girl or boy. If girl such a pathological obsession may be understandable. If a boy, such a pathological obsession is regrettable at best.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:52 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Please explain to me in full detail how Knapp’s system FORCED Palmer to throw those harebrained picks.
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You obviously have no football knowledge whatsoever. Lack of chemistry, trust, and timing with your receivers is the number 1 problem when it comes to INT’s…
But obviously you don’t know that either…Knapp’s system is making Palmer look very uncomfortable in the pocket which exacerbates the problem…
But again, you obviously don’t know this either. Are you sure football is your thing? I think you should stick to Barbie and coloring books for your entertainment.
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I get it now. You didn’t watch either game and you’re just looking at the two ints on the stat sheet. That’s the only explanation for your idiotic take. Get on the internet, check the film and get back to me tomorrow. Good night.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Sorry, Debo, and I mean this sincerely. This blog realizes you have a problem, and so, in a sense, gives you a pass considering your on-going thing with Russell.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:54 am
There is nothing to debate about Russell; he didn’t make it – didn’t have the horsepower.
The focus should be on getting you professional help for continuing exclusively on the subject matter years later.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:55 am
“Andrew Luck shook off two early interceptions to put together three second-quarter scoring drives…”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_21352046
Stop the Press!!! Andrew Luck threw TWO PICKS IN ONE HALF IN A PRE-SEASON GAME! He should be cut for being that terrible of a QB!!!
This is Debo type logic.
But wait, he only applies that to Carson Palmer, who obviously knocked up his girl or something back in the day. That’s the only way to make any sense of his two sided, hypocritical football logic.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:58 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:49 am
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:45 am
RaiderDebo Says:
It’s Nerd City in here tonight.
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Yes Debo. Please go look at yourself in the mirror – right now.
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Just did. Like what I see. Takes a serious dork to even take the time to write #218. Got through the 1st two paragraphs and had to stop due to embarrassment. And I didn’t even write it. You should get out more.
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Embarrassed, as you should be Debo, wasting your precious time on a slug and a talentless JR. He made $38M and you made nothing, except becoming the laughing stock of the blog.
There aren’t many posters here to read this, and the am crew will disregard what is said so late at night. If I were you, I would think it over, and move on.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Oh goodie…we’re having a jabustus night.Favre had a big
problem with norco’s…understandable he got beat like a drum….but holding out as a rook and then showing up late with a codeine habit….before even taking a hit…the kid musta sure believed in his talent.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:09 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:55 am
“Andrew Luck shook off two early interceptions to put together three second-quarter scoring drives…”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_21352046
Stop the Press!!! Andrew Luck threw TWO PICKS IN ONE HALF IN A PRE-SEASON GAME! He should be cut for being that terrible of a QB!!!
This is Debo type logic.
But wait, he only applies that to Carson Palmer, who obviously knocked up his girl or something back in the day. That’s the only way to make any sense of his two sided, hypocritical football logic.
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Hilarious!!! 1st you compare Palmer to arguably the best QB of all time, and now you compare him to a rookie. And in case you didn’t know, Luck followed both picks up with TD drives. By the way, I’d rather have Manning or Luck as my QB over Palmer.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:09 am
I knew that Luck guy was a poser.What’s up with that?
Indy gets PM and Luck back to back and we haven’t had one since Plunk…talk about snakebit.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 5:54 am
DHB catches the ball, and Palmer doesn’t screw up on the D-Mac sideline throw, and this isn’t even discussed.
Quite frankly, Knapp is doing a waaaaaay better job right now than our players.
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100% true. JFB has been on fire lately. If you disagree with his posts as of late, you might be an idiot.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 6:04 am
In the regular season, Palmer will just QB sneak it from the goalline in that situation, and again, nobody is talking about this stuff.
Pretty disappointed in The Nation, jumping off the ship already and whining.
The running mascare under your eyepatch is not a good look!!!!!
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Word to ya mother.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Damn well concerned about CP having no WR’s to throw to when the live ammo starts flying.Think CP missed Wiz II on Friday?
August 20th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Dan Williams was looking a very svelte 351 lbs.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:25 am
Twinkle Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Damn well concerned about CP having no WR’s to throw to when the live ammo starts flying.Think CP missed Wiz II on Friday?
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100% right about this. Don’t like our WR corp a whole lot, even with a healthy D. Moore. Haven’t liked this group since we traded Moss in 2007. For some reason, this organization is being real stubborn about home growing our receivers. That is except for the signing of an injured Javon Walker. We better be ready to get some guys in here when 1st cuts come around.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:27 am
An All-Pro safety knocked the ball away from DHB.Streater dropped the ball when he hit the ground.People rag on DHB for the play.Streater gets a free pass.Typical of the way things operate on this blog.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:02 am
So many were too pumped up about ” what we gonna do to other teams” this is a process and there’s gonna be some ups and downs. I have been concerned since bush left. We have to get a second string RB. Its so important to this season with everything. To keep games close as possible and ride the defence to Victory. Reggie I know your looking and I believe once green bay cuts some of those WRs and defensive players . Get em! And also I believe reggie is watching out for a cut vet RB soon. GO Raiders and lets enjoy this
August 20th, 2012 at 2:08 am
my latest roster prediction:
OL: veldheer, carlisle, wiz, brisiel, barnes, bergstrom, barksdale, parsons, wang (i think wang makes it due to hurd’s injury over nix b/c both bergstrom and parsons play G and barksdale plays T, meaning we need another T over another G)
TE: gordon, myers, ausberry (i predicted gordon would surprise everyone. it’s happening. great size and athleticism. better receiver that we thought)
WR: dhb, moore, ford, streater, criner (not sure mcgee makes it w/ similar players streater and criner)
RB: dmc, jones, goodson, miller (miller looked so-so the first game but he was tentative. looked much more viable 2nd game. he’s not great but he could pound it out late in games)
FB: reece, schmitt
QB: palmer, leinart, pryor
DT: kelly, seymour, bryant, bilukidi (bilukidi over hamilton b/c DA made a point of praising his play against the run and reggie said “i like my draft picks)
DE: houston, shaugnessy, tollefson, crawford (houston seems like he’s gonna bust out)
LB: curry, mcclain, wheeler, burris, goethel, ihenacho (if curry isn’t ready, kilgore has impressed. stupar has looked lost and he will be the only draft pick cut)
S: huff, branch, giordano, mitchell
CB: bartell, spencer, dvd, chekwa, lee, mccann (spencer looked good, chekwa was actually burned on his pickoff, but he ball fell short, and mccann has made a case for himself as a cb, not just a return man)
August 20th, 2012 at 2:11 am
others who could make the cut:
hurd or nix over wang.
mcgee over miller.
hamilton over a 6th CB.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:27 am
I see the inmates are running the asylum tonight.
I swear some of you are paid to corrupt this website to create the illusion of madness…
“Though this be madness, yet there is method”
-Shakespeare-
August 20th, 2012 at 2:31 am
Raider8 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
10+ miserable seasons…this coaching staff needs to feel the heat of 10 years of not making the playoffs, that is what they all signed up for….they need to be on watch 24/7 and that includes Reggie and Mark Davis too.
it wasn’t no 10 plus seasons. we were in the super bowl in’03 and we just came off 2 non losing seasons at .500.
its been bad but were headed in rigt direction i think.
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The 06 Bed and Breakfast season featuring Aaron Brooks as your QB and Alvis Whitted as your #1 WR (Moss don’t count cuz he quit)….you know the year we finished 2-14……I count that season as TWO miserable seasons in one….so there ya go
August 20th, 2012 at 2:33 am
Raider8 Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
10+ miserable seasons…this coaching staff needs to feel the heat of 10 years of not making the playoffs, that is what they all signed up for….they need to be on watch 24/7 and that includes Reggie and Mark Davis too.
it wasn’t no 10 plus seasons. we were in the super bowl in’03 and we just came off 2 non losing seasons at .500.
its been bad but were headed in rigt direction i think.
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The 06 Bed and Breakfast season featuring Aaron Brooks as your QB and Alvis Whitted as your #1 WR (Moss don’t count cuz he quit)….you know the year we finished 2-14……I count that season as TWO miserable seasons in one….so there ya go….plus the last two were miserable to me in my book cuz we sniffed the post season only to see it slip away or actually only to see the team implode in the end
August 20th, 2012 at 3:11 am
Yes TJ you back m`bwoy is back ..take your ice-baths you have alot to prove to the Nation, you are the secret-special weapon and its time for you to explode
August 20th, 2012 at 3:20 am
Got a chance to watch the game – finally. Palmer looked both rusty and tentative. He had a couple of good balls to JFord (who made a couple of catches), but he couldn’t seem to hit anyone but Streater. DHB should’ve caught that touchdown ball and Goodson’s fumbles were problematic.
On the first series, our new defense looked just like our old defense, then they stiffened a little.
Special teams – horrible!
Leinart – looked pretty good
Miller ran pretty hard
DMac has to be more aware of his feet on those swing passes
All in all, we did a better job than we did against Dallas, and (I think) against a much better team
I am encouraged …
August 20th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Goodson has small hands,if you look at picture of him his hand barely covers the whole football,good thing we have Kelly Skipper who is a great coach
August 20th, 2012 at 3:35 am
tbone I agree….and injuries are going to be critical coz we are not very deep.Might be the opposite of last year with the defense keeping us in games.Time will tell but I’m no fan of the WCO.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:42 am
Violent Hands Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Goodson has small hands,if you look at picture of him his hand barely covers the whole football,good thing we have Kelly Skipper who is a great coach
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Reminds me of Dave Krieg he of the ‘it’s because I have small hands’ reply to reporters when they asked him about his record 104 fumbles or however many it was.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:27 am
Ford’s absence could extend into the regular season
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Rod Streater in WK1 versus Sandy Eggo = stud!
August 20th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Goodson’s fumbling issues look coachable to me. He is not holding the ball properly. Five points of contact. Just don’t understand how a player makes it to this level without learning this. They teach it in peewee football. Remember Tiki Barber and Coughlin teaching him?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Chargers wide receiver Vincent Brown had surgery to repair a broken ankle Sunday, and the team’s hoping he makes it back for the second half of the season.
Chiefs starting safety has shoulder injury.
Kendrick Lewis injured his right shoulder on Saturday night against the Rams. Arm in a sling, he’s out indefinitely.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:40 am
WCO is the best friend of a defense. How many games last season did the D hold up for the first half and fall apart after the three n outs by the O. O on the field and the D is fresh. The last super bowl D was not that good. Gannon kept them off the field.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:45 am
With all of the hammys, I wonder if any of the coach’s and trainers have considered using yoga?
August 20th, 2012 at 5:20 am
Just send in a bunch of ho’s — that’ll flex out those hammys!
August 20th, 2012 at 5:30 am
as far as I can see all Starting AFC West QBs had to INTs in their last game…
August 20th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Ho’s? Talking about hammys, don’t wanna have the player’s getting hip pointers as well.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:51 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Chargers wide receiver Vincent Brown had surgery to repair a broken ankle Sunday, and the team’s hoping he makes it back for the second half of the season.
Chiefs starting safety has shoulder injury.
Kendrick Lewis injured his right shoulder on Saturday night against the Rams. Arm in a sling, he’s out indefinitely.
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I’m sure the Chiefs are saying the same thing about Ford’s injury…I’m sure they didn’t forget!
August 20th, 2012 at 5:57 am
I love how after OUR FIRST ATTEMPT OF THE SEASON at the goalline failed, and Knapp is an idiot and everything will be a season-long failure.
It was their first time!!!!!
So I guess extra points might be an issue as well than, since what, our 2nd one was blocked?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Our first one was blocked, JFB! Just like the punt that was blocked!
Palmer;s INT was horrible but our D stiffened and only allowed a FG. But after the Goodson fumble (1st of 3) Joss Skelton came in and all of a sudden, our D kinda looked like crap! Result TD!
Then that punt block, which I will kinda let it go since it wasn’t Lechler…
Also, are we sorely missing Wiz2?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:03 am
And actually…WTF was up with that clock management at the end of the half? OMG…and then 2 runs by Miller…I agree…F Knapp!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Chargers are banged up and struggled to score against Dallas, but Rivers still dangerous despite the 2 picks he threw.
Their defense ain’t what it used to be either, but Shareece Wright showed some real ability at corner.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Knapp’s play calls seem very predictable. Hopefully this was planned and will change at the beginning of the season. Good thing we got Saunders. Bad thing, were fing up if we have to call on him.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:19 am
NFLN said Matty Lice suffered a concussion from the hit he took in AZ.
Surprised the Liceman was able to jog off the field after that pop.
Figured the 2 stitches he took on his non-throwing hand might keep him out the rest of the season anyway.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Are we gonna go with an all rookie class for WR’s to start the season again, or do you guys think that NOW, maybe we bring in a vet?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:20 am
I guess Manning and Rivers are the garbage too. They should be cut immediately, along with Palmer. Matt Cassel is the best QB in AFC West (along with Leinart)
#sarcasm
August 20th, 2012 at 6:22 am
I thought Raider fans were supposed to be tough? Lots of whiners in here. #Pu*syNation
August 20th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Speaking of pu*sies, Klas in solidarity with Pus*y Riot!
August 20th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Also, Roger Goodel is like Putin. NFL is the joke.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Have a good day fellow. Klas is out to milk the cows. #bigswedishtitties
August 20th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Roger Goodell was just on CNBC. Their doing some football thing I guess, because earlier they had the Texans and Dolphins owner on set as well.
Stephen Ross, Dolphins owner, didn’t seem too pumped about the season.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Good Morning Hwnrdr & Nation.
Hwnrdr,
Knapp was demoted to QB coach in this league for a reason. His teams were ranked in the 20’s in scoring the last 4 years of his career as an OC.
Out of 9 seasons as an OC, he had 2 good years and his offense was ranked in the top 10 in scoring (3rd & 9th with 2 HOF WRs). The rest of his career as OC was average at best.
01: 3rd
02: 13th
03: 9th
04: 16th
05: 14th
06: 25th
07: 23rd
08*: 29th
09: 25th
*: fat monkey took over play calling.
Everything will be fine. Don’t be concerned Nation.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Wait….did i just read someone say that Luck is the best QB of all time??? Please tell me I read that wrong?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 am
WTF was up with that clock management at the end of the half?
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What was the issue? Seemed like we got our plays in and kicked the FG right?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 am
WTF was up with that clock management at the end of the half?
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What was the issue? Seemed like we got our plays in and kicked the FG right?
LOL, sarcasm at its best early Monday morning!
August 20th, 2012 at 6:41 am
I think Knapp is playing it somewhat close to the vest.
Especially these 3rd and long draws he is calling. I like him doing that, because a play that can convert a 3rd and 9 is gold in this league, we don’t need to show that right now.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Whew, ok it wasn’t Luck, but wait…Russell? Ok, I need a walk!
August 20th, 2012 at 6:47 am
LOL, sarcasm at its best early Monday morning!
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Ahhh…..gotcha. Sarcasm doesn’t show up as well sometimes on here, my bad.
I remember Papa and Flores were going on about it, and I thought they were way off on it.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:48 am
I don’t give a fk if you’re an INFANT head coach, that’s a mistake that can’t be excused.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahah….ROFLMAO…
RM99 strikes…
August 20th, 2012 at 6:53 am
No problem with clock management.
Have a problem with not going for TD on 4th and goal from the one yard line in the first quarter of a pre-season game.
Have a problem with not challenging whether DMAC got 2 feet down.
Have a slight problem going for 53 yard FG, instead of playing for TD. If you’re afraid of OT, just go for 2 (in the unlikely event TP actually leads team to a score).
Have a problem with not being critical enough of TIM’s first pick of 2012.
Besides that, nothing really worth second guessing.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:53 am
01: 3rd
02: 13th
03: 9th
04: 16th
05: 14th
06: 25th
07: 23rd
08*: 29th
09: 25th
*: fat monkey took over play calling.
“you are what your record says you are”
B Parcells
August 20th, 2012 at 6:54 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Chargers are banged up and struggled to score against Dallas, but Rivers still dangerous despite the 2 picks he threw.
Their defense ain’t what it used to be either, but Shareece Wright showed some real ability at corner.
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rivers is WORSE than CP3 at throwing the bad timely int.
He is also getting hit quite a bit, and it will continue.
He knows his Oline is shat, gets happy toes, and throws to the other team.
after signing the contract LT gaither has been out of all of camp with a back.
His backup was…… mario henderson….
henderson was pre empted by a rookie RG convert from ucla.
They will not be able to mask the short comings of the oline mess they have.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:57 am
CP threw 36 INTs in 26 games the last 2 seasons, and he threw 2 INTs in 3 quarters, but who cares? Manning and Rivers threw INTs too.
You People…….
August 20th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Have a problem with not going for TD on 4th and goal from the one yard line in the first quarter of a pre-season game.
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Yeah why kick a field goal? are you afriad of pissing off the other team by going for it in the presea?
Does an unwritten rule exist between coaches, presea dont go for it on 4th and 1?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Have a problem with not challenging whether DMAC got 2 feet down.
Have a slight problem going for 53 yard FG, instead of playing for TD.
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I realize in the preseason you don’t have much to lose with a challenge, but I don’t think it was really close.
I agree wholeheartedly on the 2nd part. I can see a 53 yarder with Seabass to warm him up, but Carmona? WTF???
August 20th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Stephen Ross, Dolphins owner, didn’t seem too pumped about the season.
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Lol, funny.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Are we gonna go with an all rookie class for WR’s to start the season again, or do you guys think that NOW, maybe we bring in a vet?
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I know it sounds retarted but, Yes….(rookie receiving Corps). Who else is out there besides Plax? How long since he ran a route or caught a ball? I know T.O. dropped a TD pass Saturday and he was wide A$$ Open. There’s obviously a connection happening between Palmer and Streater. Damn near walked away with a TD. (reminiscant of LM Monday Night against the Dolts) Uggg… I think DHB will be fine. I haven’t seen enough of Criner or McGee to throw a verdict, but… I think they’re gonna roll with it. Unless Moore is still out by Sept 10.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:00 am
The fine on the Lino hit should be costly IMO. No reason to go at the QB like that when he clearly had relased the ball.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:57 am
I love how after OUR FIRST ATTEMPT OF THE SEASON at the goalline failed, and Knapp is an idiot and everything will be a season-long failure.
It was their first time!!!!!
So I guess extra points might be an issue as well than, since what, our 2nd one was blocked?
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wasnt the gaolline situation with the first team and the blocked kick was backup holder and back up kicker?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:01 am
I know there may be some disagrees out there but Seymour is so overrated. I would love for someone to convince me otherwise. But I just don’t think he justifies his contract. Does anyone see a drop off in the D-line when he is not in the game?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
I think Knapp is playing it somewhat close to the vest.
Especially these 3rd and long draws he is calling. I like him doing that, because a play that can convert a 3rd and 9 is gold in this league, we don’t need to show that right now.
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Unfortunately, the draw on 3rd and long is one of Knapp’s favorite calls, as well as the 5 yard crossing route and the ultrapredictable screen to a RB.
Besides, there’s plenty of film on Knapp’s offense, I don’t think he’s hiding that much or suddenly designed a new playbook.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:05 am
I think DHB will be fine. I haven’t seen enough of Criner or McGee to throw a verdict, but… I think they’re gonna roll with it. Unless Moore is still out by Sept 10.
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The REAL key to our Wr corp is the chemistry between not only the QB to WR’s but what opportunites are created when we have healthy starters.
If you have NFL rewind or games on DVR go back and watch some tape on our WR corp when DMO, DHB, and JFORD are on th field playing in the same game.
These guys create not only opportunites for each other, they really will challenge a D to defend ALL of them as the question becomes, Who do we leave in single?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Yep. Chargless OLine is something we should be able to exploit WK1.
Rivers will put it up for grabs on his longer attempts under pressure. Nice grab by Carr on the pick Sat nite. Glad he’s not with KC any longer.
But Rivers is still dangerous and can find guys underneath in a heartbeat.
Bolts will also miss physical presence of Tolbert, although he hasn’t looked great in pre-season.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Bob,
They had both him and the McNair guy for the Texans on, and they play each other opening day.
They asked if they had anything wagered on the game, the Ross guy said “they are favored……so we hope it’s a good game.”
They asked about his hopes for the season, and he started talking about the struggles his team has drawing in fans in Miami.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:06 am
The 3 yard pass to the outer sideline flat on 3rd and 5 is not going to get it done. The defender always can recover and take the wideout down. Not a fan of Knapp’s YAC philosophy to getting first downs. Even when we make 3rd and 1 on a pass play, the Raider announcers are like, “did we get that? I dunno, just hurry up and snap the ball before they go take another look at it. Why does Knapp cut it soo close? This is not Raider football!
August 20th, 2012 at 7:07 am
On 3rd and 7 plus yards, I prefer the ball to travel at least the distance needed to pick up a 1st down, obviously mixing the ocasional draws, screens and such.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:09 am
JFB.
LOL, it sure looks like Ross is doing his part when it comes to cheering up the fan base down there.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I’d like to see more Ihenacho in there with the ones and see what he can do. Burris has a nice motor but is sloppy at tackling at times. Not holding my breath expected Aaron Curry to come back so (or at all) so we really need to figure out the SLB spot soon. Burris may not (by himself) be the answer.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:11 am
RM 291, solid post on the disc Brother…
river sis going to get the same busines as korn got of friday.
the 1 thing that rivers will miss the most is vjack however, the guy that hurt us the most was floyd.
they also lost what manny consider their best wr in the kind vbrown for 6-8 weeks broke ankle.
carr looked like a man on a mission, played some really good ball. agreed him being out of the afc west is good.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:12 am
I gotta hype my man LNIX today. he looked really solid when Lino was was.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Carson Palmer, man what was he thinking? Throwing a deep ball in double coverage to an unathletic TE like Gordon. Fools play. Gordon runs like he’s running in sand on the beach. Conversely, when I saw old washed up Todd Heap on the other side, he looks the part of an athletic TE with “hops”. Pretty sad when an old has-been TE is much better than any of our TE’s. Not that the INT was Gordon’s fault, but he sure looked slow and his “leap” for the ball was embarrasingly unathletic.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Even when we make 3rd and 1 on a pass play, the Raider announcers are like, “did we get that? I dunno, just hurry up and snap the ball before they go take another look at it.
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I am convinced that Papa and Flores are keyed in the booth.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Didn’t see a whole lot of Terrelle Pryor, which was a good thing. Did execute a nice shuttle pass which was more of a forward handoff. At least that he did well. Baby steps.
But that helium ball he floated into the endzone. If Criner doesn’t play a mean defensive back, that would have been intercepted in the end zone. I thought Pryor had a good arm, but that was much much weaker than Leinart’s passes.
Speaking of Leinart, he threw the prettiest spiral on a mid length throw in the 3rd quarter. Nicest throw of the game of any QB if you ask me.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:18 am
I am convinced that Papa and Flores are keyed in the booth.
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You know, I may have to agree with you, because they were way off their game.
Also on the intentional grounding penalty before the safety, Papa was going on and on about how it wasn’t a spot foul. Since when? It always has been right?
It’s not a 15 yard penalty or anything, it is a spot of the foul call. Refs called it that way, Wisenhunt didn’t argue, and Papa was going on and on about it.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Gotta run guys.
All you guys have a great day, will check back later.
Key words for the day is, LUCAS NIX.
1 NATION
August 20th, 2012 at 7:21 am
I felt bad for Pryor on that end zone throw because he really did everything right.
He came from under center, looked like good footwork, he looked at the other side of the field and turned and threw the ball with crisp timing.
It just wasn’t an NFL ready throw, and it wasn’t close.
I just don’t see that type of arm EVER being an option as an NFL starting QB.
Put that kid and is hard-work to use RIGHT NOW, and I think he could be our best TE by the bye week.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Burris made two bad plays, both on that first drive, both times on running plays, and both times he came up tight to the line,he did take on the blocker, but because he was so tight rb was able to get outside. Im pretty shore the play wasnt drawn up for mcclain to be responable for the outside sholder of outside lb to sidelines. In say that the second series he ajusted and forced rb inside and mcclaine made tackle. in conclusion i think Burris will be good player, he shows he can learn from mistake.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Mike Goodson was credited with 2 fumbles, but it was 3 fumbles from where I was sitting. One he bounced off the turf after it was called down by contact. I don’t recall how many touches he had total, but it seemed like half the time he’d get up and the ball would be squirted free out of his hands. Does he have crisco on his hands? And the fumbles aren’t even hard hits either. It’s the defender sneaking in a finger and jabbing the ball. That’s troubling. He doesn’t possess the strength in his hands to hold the ball. I dunno if its the weak shoulders, but that was more than just a bad game. I’d say he shouldn’t be trusted in a live game with the football in his hands. I also think Reggie needs to up his offer (if he has one) to Ryan Grant. We need someone who can protect the ball.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Agree that Pryor needs to work on his route running and change his number to something in the 80’s.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Not directly Raider related but anyone see the end of the first half of Pitt/Indy ?
Just some atrocious ball placement on the TD that was reversed.
I predict there’s going to be some major controversies about using replay to determine the exact placement of the ball and this might be the final year a coach can challenge the spot.
Been saying for years now that although replay can reverse some egregious errors in spotting the ball, there is just no practical way to use replay to make a determination when an inch or two is concerned.
I’d have loved to see DA challenge the play where Checkwa let the ball roll for an apparent touchback when he could have easily downed it at the 1 yd line.
Take a real close look at that play and tell me if any part of the ball ever touched the goal line. I submit it didn’t. The nose of the ball might have crossed the imaginary plane of the goal line, but no part of the ball ever physically touched the line. No touchback.
I’d have loved to see the replay officials sweat that one.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:25 am
And no, Lonyae Miller isn’t the answer either. He’s practice squad quality at best. Nice effort, but lacks the burst and vision of average NFL RB’s.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:26 am
69 yd. punts by UDFA’s tend to be extremely motivating. Gud wit dat main!
Now, watch and learn son how to kick a ball 69 yds. and NOT outkick your coverage from the great Shane Lectler. Topspin son, topspin.
Is O still on suicide watch? LOL!
August 20th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Goodson SHOULD have been brought in to replace Rock Cartwright and not Mike Bush.
I am still hoping this is the case, with Taiwan being the key to it all as the #2 guy.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:28 am
The Cardinals looked like the had a good draft. That rookie LB made a few nice plays for them, gave Carson fits, the one dude who blocked King’s punt and returned it for the score just cemented his roster spot.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Aren’t the guys in the booth upstairs doing the replays, the same guys as it has been?
I don’t think they are replacement guys, so there must not be a union for replay technicians.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Mark Purdy had a piece on Geg Knapp where Knapp himself listed how you could tell his offense was working:
“….McKenzie and Allen knew what they were getting. Knapp has a definite philosophy.
He believes in the zone-blocking scheme and in bashing the ball forward with the running game to set up the passing game.
Knapp listed three ways we’ll know if his game plan is working.
“One, if we are not having negative running plays,” he said. “Two, if we’re not in third-and-long situations. Three, if we’re getting explosive passing gains — and the barometer we use for that is 16 yards or more.”
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So far, point one is good, gotta work on point 2 andspecially on point 3.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Yeah, heard it on a broadcast, replay guys are the regulars.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Taiwan I’ve said from day one is a whole nother league as Mike Goodson.
Taiwan >>>> Goodson.
Taiwan has the rare hops and blazing speed. I’ve always likened his potential to Chris Johnson TEN. He could be a stud.
His only setback is injury, kinda like DMAC but there are fewer believers in Taiwan. Taiwan could one day take the reigns of the running game. Goodson is depth to be used in a outright committee. But Taiwan could be a feature guy. When he gets right again, you will be pleasantly reminded of what he is capable of.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:34 am
I think the Knapp concern on here is sooooo greatly overstated.
Should we look to expect more? Sure, but really not now. By late October or November is when you really have an idea on things.
People are so quick to try to claim blog victory on here, if they didn’t like Knapp beforehand, the first goalline situation that doesn’t work (even though it is a flipping preseason game) they want to say I told you so, he sucks, fire him.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:35 am
We need a “Zach Crockett” package near the GL. Power up Schmitt and hammer the A gap. DMAC can do that too, but 3rd and short GL passes aren’t working. Line em up and see who wants it more.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:38 am
I don’t want to fire Knapp, yet anyway. Just want him to call down and distance calls that exceed the target, give some room for error. We have some blazing speed at wideout, why not stretch the field and open up the underneath dink/dunk stuff later? Why should it always be option one? If Carson chooses to go deep, he should not be given the green light to throw to TE’s period. He needs to throw to athletic guys who can go up for the ball and if needed defend it.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:39 am
I missed the entire first qtr Friday night and I haven’t replayed it yet. When I turned it on TK sacked Kolb in the endzone and then we marched down field for a FG.
I heard DMAC busted out a 22 yard run or something…
August 20th, 2012 at 7:40 am
317 JFB.
True, some guys seem to be rooting against Knapp and others against Palmer, I’m a Knapp doubter but I’m not calling for his firing just yet, I’m gonna let the real games start before I do, but I will continue to post my doubts and evidence of what I consider a mediocre at best history and hiring, hopefully I’ll eat some tasty crow in a couple of months.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Even if you could put aside the fact that Goodson is a fumble machine and convince yourself that he can learn to hang on to the rock, it doesn’t look like there’s a chance in hell he’s durable enough to survive very long.
Even if he can, he’s not what the Raids need. We got more than enough speed with Taiwan. He will get over the hammy and be the MUP.
Raids still need a back that can bang and gain some yards. Reese maybe, but he’s primarily used out of the backfield to catch passes. Say what you want about RB’s being a dime a dozen and Bush being too much of a dancer, we still need a bruiser that’s capable of running over people and going for more than a 3 yard gain.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Hwnrdr, the 4th quarter was a snooze. Pryor came in and handed off the ball and threw a high lobbing air ball to Criner that should have been intercepted if not for Criner playing excellent DB skills in the end zone. Also, for the first 3 quarters, the Raiders defense was intense, but the last quarter was played by future accountants and car salesmen. Game just kinda wound down.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:43 am
And I’m not saying people are rooting against the Raiders in any facet to say they are right or anything. I hear people accuse others of that and I don’t believe it.
But people have opinions, some good some bad, and after any bit of evidence, they want to claim victory.
DVD broke up a pass in practice?? I told you guys he would be a stud!!!
Pryor converts a 3rd and 12?? He should start week 5!!!
LMAO
August 20th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I don’t know about you all but….Did it seem like the Cardinals were blitzing 3 outta 4 plays? I mean they were blitzing all the Fu**ing TIME…. Plus coverage was Stellar. Either the DB’s were swatting the ball, or if our guys DID catch it, they had a Red Afghan drapped over their back and were already in the process of going to the ground. Not to mention they stone walled DMAC except for that one break away run. They were hungry man….. Palmer was under duress ALOT….
So what to think? O-Line under performed, or Cardinal D THAT good?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Reece came over to Goodson and hugged him after the 2nd fumble, as if to talk him off the ledge. It’s sad, but it looked at that point that Goodson had ZERO confidence in himself. Just as well that was his last play of the game. No need in asking him to get back on the same horse to get the play out of his system. On to Lonyae…
August 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am
As far as these short-crossing routes short of the sticks on 3rd down?
I am not a HUGE fan of them. I mean if you are going to run a crossing pattern on 3rd and 6, what is really the difference of running it 4 yards or 7 yards down the field?
However, I think Palmer kept throwing them behind the guy a tad, and not letting the WR get out ahead and continue to run after the catch.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am
It was funny to hear Kevin Kolb talk about Tommy Kelly and how he wasn’t “scared”. Sure looked like it to me. Cards are on the hook with paying this crappy QB to be a benchwarmer. Witty comebacks don’t work so well when you lose your job. Go collect your fat paycheck Kolb, and let real QB’s play the game.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I’ve been noticing Lamaar Houston more in these 2 preseason games than I had ALL of last year. I think he’s gonna make some noise in his 3rd year.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I am not a HUGE fan of them. I mean if you are going to run a crossing pattern on 3rd and 6, what is really the difference of running it 4 yards or 7 yards down the field?
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HUGE difference. 100% of the 7 yard passes go for first downs, while I’d bet less than 50% of the 4 yard passes ever result in first downs.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Lamarr Houston is looking beastly this season, agreed.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am
As far as these short-crossing routes short of the sticks on 3rd down?
I am not a HUGE fan of them. I mean if you are going to run a crossing pattern on 3rd and 6, what is really the difference of running it 4 yards or 7 yards down the field?
However, I think Palmer kept throwing them behind the guy a tad, and not letting the WR get out ahead and continue to run after the catch.
I think I heard Papa and Plunkett say that if you can run 4 yards, how much more time does it toake to get that 5th or 6th yard! They’re right!
August 20th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Has “Lights Out” burnt out?
Bills released Merrimen!
August 20th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Who was the guys who sandwiched Kolb? Branch, Shaughnessy and who?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Has “Lights Out” burnt out?
Bills released Merrimen!
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Ditching the Roids……Makes men Mortal
August 20th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Who was the guys who sandwiched Kolb? Branch, Shaughnessy and who?
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Those were the only 2 I saw….. and it was more Tyvon that blasted him into Nasty and they fell down together.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:55 am
HUGE difference. 100% of the 7 yard passes go for first downs, while I’d bet less than 50% of the 4 yard passes ever result in first downs.
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I meant more in the sense that, what is the difference of the route-running.
If you can get across the field on a crossing pattern 4 yards down the field, why can’t you go 6 or 7 yards down the field?
Why are they running short? Is it by design? Is it too hard to get the extra 3 yards down the field off the LOS?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Who was the guys who sandwiched Kolb? Branch, Shaughnessy and who?
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Those were the only 2 I saw….. and it was more Tyvon that blasted him into Nasty and they fell down together.
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I think Wheeler was in on the play as well
August 20th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Didn’t know this:
“Cassel spent time working out with throwing-mechanics maestro Tom House, the former major league reliever, in the offseason.
For two weeks, he joined Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Tom Brady at USC, learning the way his body should move to maximize his throwing strength and minimize any discomfort he has throwing.”
Per Peter King.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Why are they running short? Is it by design? Is it too hard to get the extra 3 yards down the field off the LOS?
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I think it has to do with the gap the corner is willing to concede as he goes into his backpedal. That’s why Jacoby Ford’s speed and getting 7 yards of space off the line is huge. It’s like the defense is gifting us 4 yards any play, but that also works to their advantage, keeping us from converting first downs.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:59 am
I heard that before about Cassel, and that Tebow was working with Leo Mazzone I thought I heard as well.
I figured Tebow already threw a helluva of a splitter, not sure what Leo could add to it.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
I meant more in the sense that, what is the difference of the route-running.
If you can get across the field on a crossing pattern 4 yards down the field, why can’t you go 6 or 7 yards down the field?
Why are they running short? Is it by design? Is it too hard to get the extra 3 yards down the field off the LOS?.
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Probably because the back 7 or 8 are protecting the 1st down marker, they’ll give you the short stuff, say a 4-5 yard route on 3rd and 8-9 and punce on the guy with the ball, but they won’t let you get deeper on that type of route, you’d have to run a vertical one to get by them.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am
JFB.
Palmer should have taken Pryor with him, maybe next year.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I’d heard that Pryor did work out with both Leinart and Palmer in the offseason alongside Terrell Owens. Maybe it wasn’t the same MLB reliever school, but he was working down in LA back in Jan/Feb time frame.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Offensively, what can we be happy about? The Streater connection that’s happening? That Palmer made some pretty good throws under durress? Other than that, I just don’t know. The line didn’t give Palmer much time at all, and didn’t really make any lanes for DMAC, other than that 1 good run out of 9.
I wanna enter week 3 going “Wooo Hooo! ! !” but, I’m feeling less confident the closer we get to Sept 10th. Maybe I’m off base…….
August 20th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Preseason game #3 is coming up. That’s usually the dress rehearsal for the opening season. It will be interesting to see if Rod Streater opens up with the ones. He’s certainly deserved it. Moore coming back healthy for this game will be huge.
Moore, DHB and Streater on opening snap against the Chargers? Criner seems buried on the depth chart for now, I am a bit surprised by that development.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Criner seems buried on the depth chart for now, I am a bit surprised by that development.
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That’s probably the most surprising thing to me so far. That and the emergence of Streater. I thought Rod would contribute and be solid but, DAMN….. He’s quickly becoming the “Go To” guy. I think Palmer hit him 3 plays in a row, AND went to him in the Endzone. That kid is WORKIN’ it man.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:11 am
They can bury Criner all they want, but if Moore isn’t back…and i see no indication he will be, then they’re gonna have no choice.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Now that Ford is out for “awhile”, it’s a good opportunity to let someone else roll with the KOR duties. Anything is an improvement over Ford. Even touchbacks.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:14 am
I see teams like the NYG, Saints, Packers, Lions running aggressive, up tempo, down the field routes that force the Defense to cover the entire field and place a lot of pressure on DB’s and it’s obvious that’s how the League is evolving.
Then I think of Knapp and his ball control, grind it out, dink and dunk offense that requires close to perfect execution on a number of plays just to get in the red zone…man it bums me out.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:15 am
328.guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am
It was funny to hear Kevin Kolb talk about Tommy Kelly and how he wasn’t “scared”. Sure looked like it to me. Cards are on the hook with paying this crappy QB to be a benchwarmer. Witty comebacks don’t work so well when you lose your job. Go collect your fat paycheck Kolb, and let real QB’s play the game.
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At first I wasn’t too thrilled that anybody on the Raider defense is talking crap like that…about anybody, but if it helps create a little bit of fear about the new Raider D in the minds of our opponents then i’m all for it.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:17 am
The thing that kind of cements Rod Streater as a starter to me is not only his play on the field, but his hustle. DA glowed about how he ran down that player who intercepted Palmer and saved the touchdown. You can sense Streater is becoming one of coach Allen’s favorites.
Streater has the build for heavy use too. Long, lean, lanky. He seems flexible and can take a hit, extends his arms for the marker well. Good all around reliable reciever and it doesn’t look like he’s satisfied with making the catch. He’s ready for more the next play. I love that about him.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:17 am
We have the speedsters outside and a multi-talented weapon those teams can only wish they had (# 20) along with a QB that can wing it, we were doing it the last 2 seasons, now we’re headed in a different direction and I don’t appreciate it.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Guest.
And we have yet to see Streater use his 4.37 speed, once he gets past a few unsuspecting CB’s his game will become harder to defend.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:19 am
I played 6 softball games yesterday, and 2 on Saturday….I can hardly move my fingers to type this comment….but we won State.
woot
Go Raiders!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Marley,
It bums me out too. It’s exhausting to watch and hope that your team can “outlast” the opposition.
Look at the powerhouse franchises with elite QB’s. They air it out a ton and have a philosophy of tacking on TD’s to leads and giving the game to the defense to wear out teams attempting to keep up. It’s highly entertaining brand of football and what I personally like to see.
Nailbiting 20-17 type games, not so much.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Dakota.
I picture you as a Catcher, right or wrong?.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Ouch. I play 2nd base.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
guest123 Says:
Marley,
It bums me out too. It’s exhausting to watch and hope that your team can “outlast” the opposition.
Look at the powerhouse franchises with elite QB’s. They air it out a ton and have a philosophy of tacking on TD’s to leads and giving the game to the defense to wear out teams attempting to keep up. It’s highly entertaining brand of football and what I personally like to see.
Nailbiting 20-17 type games, not so much.
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Guest.
And more importantly, it’s winning football.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
How do you stop a Broncos fan from beating his wife?
Dress her in Black N Silver!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Dakota.
Just kidding man, I’m sure nothing gets by you over at 2nd base, how about hitting? power or average?.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:25 am
fellas, I am really worried about our passing game. we have a QB that has looked erratic and cant shake the INT flu, a WR core that looks like a bunch of third stringers, an no proven security blanked at the TE position. When #20 is out of the game the offense looks awful.i know we are implementing an new system but right now we are ways-off being competitive…
the D looks good, granted that when Slowlando is outta place he is really outta place and gives up big gainers, and the corners look like 3rd stringers too.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:25 am
How do you stop Broncos from masturbating?
Paint their johnson Black N Silver and they’ll never beat it!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:26 am
It’s looking more and more like we will be starting two rookies at WR our first game against SD.
I’m not real comfortable with that.
It’s very uncertain what’s up with DHB. No news on how severe his shoulder is…Moore still not ready and no telling when he’s coming back..Ford? Who knows how long he’ll be out and I fear it’s another Lisfranc and we all saw what that did to DMAC last season.
I think with the very real possibility Criner will be thrust into the starting position right away we should be seeing more passes targeted to him.
If you’re gonna throw a rookie out there like this than you better at least make sure he’s practicing and testing him out before making “practice” become opening night on MNF.
Surprised we didn’t see alot more of him Friday night.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Remember a couple years ago, we beat the Broncos 59-14 and DMAC ran all day on them? We need a few lopsided beatdowns to go with the garden variety 20-17 wins. It keeps the offense fresh, the defense rested and produces SWAGGER that we need when it comes time for the playoffs. We can’t just keep eeking our way to wins, thats a recipe for disaster.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Chad Johnson Cinco still available?
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am
I’ll take a nailbiting 20-17 win, over a frustrating 38-35 loss with 13 penalties in the game.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I would think a Donkeys fan would absolutely kick the crap outta his wife if he caught her in silver and black. I’m wondering if the joke is a play on the supposed “felonious nature” of the Raider fan. That joke should be banned.
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wasbanned Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
How do you stop a Broncos fan from beating his wife?
Dress her in Black N Silver!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
It’s hard to say that it’s the major problem, but I believe if we had an NFL quality journeyman athletic pass catching TE, it would open the field up a lot more for our wideouts and open up seams more. The lack of a TE is our achilles heel on Offense. Until we get this worked out, expect tight coverage all game long. This penny pinching on TE’s is going to bite us in the backside in the regular season.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I hear people say this isn’t “Raider football”.
I welcome the change.
“Raider football” to me, is finishing 3rd in the AFC West and leading the league in penalties.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:31 am
He will be for a while. He’s like your wife’s Thanksgiving Day turkey…..done!
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Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Chad Johnson Cinco still available?
August 20th, 2012 at 8:31 am
259.hwnrdr Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:03 am
And actually…WTF was up with that clock management at the end of the half? OMG…and then 2 runs by Miller…I agree…F Knapp!!!
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Good point Hwnrdr! But it is a step forward from last year.
Hue would have used all his timeouts before the two minute clock like a proper coach
August 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am
We committed what? 4 penalties all game and 2 of them when Pryor came in (unfortunately, wasn’t it his first snap that was called for a false start? Not on him…)
August 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am
361.Bob Marley Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Dakota.
Just kidding man, I’m sure nothing gets by you over at 2nd base, how about hitting? power or average?.
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I am 36 and I am starting to feel the slide. My fielding has declined over the past 3 years….probably because I am getting a gut. But I am still pretty fast around the bases and I still have a decent arm.
I hit 13 or so HRs this year….a career high….must be the gut.
My average was in the mid .700s.
I am a much better hitter than I am fielder.
I think I am better than most players on the Chicago Cubs.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am
A teacher started the year with a new group of students. She told them I’m a Broncos fan, and asked them “How many of you are broncos fans?” Wanting to impress their teacher all but one student raised their hand. The teacher asked Johnny “Why didn’t you raise your hand?” and Johnny replied “because I’m a RAIDERS fan!” The teacher looked very disappointed and said “Why a Raiders fan.” Johnny replied “Well, my mom’s a Raiders fan and my Dad’s a Raiders fan… so I’m a RAIDERS fan!” This really irritated the teacher and she said “Well, what if your mom was an idiot and your dad was a moron, what would that make you?” Johnny smiled and said, “That would make me a Broncos fan.”
August 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am
“Raider football” to me, is finishing 3rd in the AFC West and leading the league in penalties.
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Oh the younger generation…
It wasn’t always this way. We used to intimidate people when we came out of the tunnel. We used to see the orange and navy uniforms pacing the sidelines wiping their brows. We used to march to the line and impose our will and dare the other guys to impede our flow. We used to dominate the game by pure force of nature.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I remember when we were waiting for Chaz Schillins to get healthy like he was rookie Randy Moss, same thing with D. Moore. We are hanging our hopes on a bunch of unproven WRs, the best being DHB who (lets be honest) will never be a pass catcher.
we need soft hands to go along with the speed.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Raidernationdave Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I would think a Donkeys fan would absolutely kick the crap outta his wife if he caught her in silver and black. I’m wondering if the joke is a play on the supposed “felonious nature” of the Raider fan. That joke should be banned.
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wasbanned Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
How do you stop a Broncos fan from beating his wife?
Dress her in Black N Silver!
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Broncos can never beat anything wearing Black N Silver
August 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
We used to dominate the game by pure force of nature.
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I’m on board with dominating the game by the force of nature that is the continual dink and dunk.
Death by a thousand butterknife cuts!!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
I’m on board with dominating the game by the force of nature that is the continual dink and dunk.
Death by a thousand butterknife cuts!!!!
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LOL.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:38 am
How long into the season until DA strips Knapp of playcalling duties and hands them over to Sauders?
5 games? 6 games?
If it gets ugly early, I’ll take the under.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Chris Perez gets hooked! Hilarious!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am
I’ll take the under….I thought I saw Allen give Knapp a dirty look on the sidelines Friday night.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am
I’m on board with dominating the game by the force of nature that is the continual dink and dunk.
Death by a thousand butterknife cuts!!!!
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Well, I’m not a scholar of the game but, I wonder…
We only had 2 games to look at so far. First game wasn’t Sh*t really….2 series’, 1 int and 2 drops by Ford. Carson’s day over….
Friday, there were alot of check downs and short crossing routes. What I wonder is, was that just a product of the D pressure, which was pretty damn stout, or is it the design of our offense. Palmer would get the ball and immediately have to evade. He made some awkward throws off balance and running…He also got knocked down a few times after release. That being said… How can he take shots down field if he’s gotta play “Hot Potato” with the rock?
August 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
I’m starting to believe that the defense has been fixed, but like Murphy’s law, the offense went from being fixed to broken. Fix one leak, another springs up.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Raidernationdave Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Chris Perez gets hooked! Hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXo-eathEgE&feature=player_embedded
August 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Dakota.
I’m the same age, the gut comes and I shed it but it keeps coming back stronger, I play Basketball on a regular basis and most of the time vs kids much younger than me, they fly and jump all over me, good thing they can’t shoot or pass, so they like the older dude who can hit a jump shot and will give the ball back for a change.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am
I have not seen much to be impressed about thus far in preseason on the offensive side of the ball. McFadden looks great of course, but the execution just isn’t there yet for the rest of the offense.
Game three should tell us more…..but as of now I am a bit concerned.
The defense looks better, but I’ll wait until about week 4 or 5 to see how much better they really are….too many years of crap defense to declare them much improved after a few preseason games.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am
The D looks better, specially up front. The Corners look suspect, and Slowlando stills gets lost in traffic. lets hope the D-line stays healthy all year.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Again, just exactly why would a Donkeys fan dress his wife in S&B?
He wouldn’t? I mean what would be the point? If my Ex would have ever worn anything resembling anything Donkeyish in bed I’da smacked her.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Bob,
Basketball is the best pickup sport to stay in shape with….I have not played a game of pickup b-ball since 2002.
I would go into cardiac arrest before the first half was done.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
We were without our starting C, TE, at least one WR, and played D-Mac for about half the series with the 1’s.
Do you guys care this much when the Lakers lose preseason games with Josh McRoberts and Eubanks on the floor?
August 20th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Again, just exactly why would a Donkeys fan dress his wife in S&B?
He wouldn’t? I mean what would be the point? He’d dress her in Donkey orange & blue.
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wasbanned Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Raidernationdave Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I would think a Donkeys fan would absolutely kick the crap outta his wife if he caught her in silver and black. I’m wondering if the joke is a play on the supposed “felonious nature” of the Raider fan. That joke should be banned.
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wasbanned Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
How do you stop a Broncos fan from beating his wife?
Dress her in Black N Silver!
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Broncos can never beat anything wearing Black N Silver
August 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
We were without our starting C, TE, at least one WR, and played D-Mac for about half the series with the 1’s.
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I care if nothing more than to see some continuity going into the regular season. It’d be nice to see an opening lineup in preseason game #3. Probably not realistic, but usually the teams ready for the regular season are firing all cylinders by game #3.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am
392.Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
We were without our starting C, TE, at least one WR, and played D-Mac for about half the series with the 1’s.
Do you guys care this much when the Lakers lose preseason games with Josh McRoberts and Eubanks on the floor?
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The lakers can look like crap in the preseason and even get off to a slow start and finish just fine thanks to an 82 game season.
The Raiders have to hit the season with some momentum, or the entire year can slip away in the first 4 games. Start 1-3 and we are done.
We have 1 preseason game left where the starters will play significant minutes….yes, we need to see some execution now.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am
you think brandon myers and d.moore will come in a fix the O? LOL. yea, they are proven vets that have a dozen pro-bowls under their belt and dont need the reps in the new offense….
look for Reggie Mac to add talent at WR & TE when camp cuts begin.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am
But i can trust the lakers..
August 20th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Wasbanned Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:25 am
How do you stop Broncos from masturbating?
Paint their johnson Black N Silver and they’ll never beat it!
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Nice. Might make her more appealing too.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Lol! Copied and pasted the wrong post. Reply above is meant for this post…
Wasbanned Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
How do you stop a Broncos fan from beating his wife?
Dress her in Black N Silver!
August 20th, 2012 at 8:58 am
8days till 1st cuts
August 20th, 2012 at 8:58 am
400.Marks hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:58 am
8days till 1st cuts
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Can we cut Goodson now?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Yeah. Bad trade..
August 20th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Yeah. Bad trade..
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We lost nothing.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Not a bad trade, even if Goodson is nothing more than a camp body and we cut him, B. Campbell wasn’t going to make the roster anyway. No risk there.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:05 am
you think brandon myers and d.moore will come in a fix the O?
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I didn’t know the O needed “fixing”. We were on pace for almost 400 yards.
But yes, Wiz, D-Moore and Myers will help a ton.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:06 am
The Bills are cutting Shawne Merriman. Wonder if he has anything left?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I feel bad for him… I know he was SUPER anxious to get on the field Friday, plus coming off all those camp accolades.
Then he was hangin his head on the sideline almost in tears. He knows he just layed a Giant TURD in his bed of opportunity. I admit, I had high hopes for him too. And fumbles aside… He didn’t look that Flashy even on his other runs. I mean, Taiwan LOOKS like he’s ready to break one off even if he gets stuffed. He just looks like a big play ready to happen at any given time. Goodson looks inferior to Jones….. and I think he knows it too.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am
look for Reggie Mac to add talent at WR & TE when camp cuts begin.
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Isn’t calling someone who just got cut “adding talent” kind of an oxymoron?
We won’t be bringing in any starters, maybe some depth guys, and that is a maybe.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Carrying the football into a pile of 300 pound bodies swatting at you and looking to lay a concussion on you isn’t the place for weak shoulders and weak hands. I too feel bad for him. Seems like the mind was 110% willing but the body was weak and betrayed him. The previous fumbling issues only compound in his first preseason game back. Fumbling is the quickest way to exit the NFL. You can’t play if you can’t be trusted.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Have we heard ANYTHING on D.Moore? Maybe I missed it. ANY prognosis at all?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I disagree that we won’t bring in any starters. Miles Burris is for now the starting SLB but he can be easily upgraded with a last minute camp cut. And I think he should be. He’s got potential, but for now it’s too fast for him.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Also, just about any veteran TE camp cut would be an improvement over what we have now. Certainly we need to develop a good returnman in house or go out into free agency as it’s going to be ahwile till Jacoby returns from the foot sprain. Let’s hope it’s not the Lizfranc type like DMAC last year.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:18 am
That’s the truth Guest…. and it makes me REAL concerned about our RB’s now. I THOUGHT, Goodson could be a good “Fill In” and I know Jones is on the verge of an EPIC break out…….BUT…. We already stated Goodson’s short comings, and Jones continues to have health issues. At some point, DMAC will probably be out. We gonna Roll with the “Slug”? That scares the SH*T outta me man….. I went from feeling comfortable with our RB stable….Now, it’s a Practice Squad caliber Back, behind our Pro Bowl caliber “injury proned” Stud?……….Awww FU**
August 20th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I’m still in the camp we should try to sign Ryan Grant for depth. And release Goodson for his own sake to look into opportunities as a life insurance agent or something less physical.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:23 am
408.Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am
look for Reggie Mac to add talent at WR & TE when camp cuts begin.
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Isn’t calling someone who just got cut “adding talent” kind of an oxymoron?
We won’t be bringing in any starters, maybe some depth guys, and that is a maybe.
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Why is that? We all know Reggie has almost 7 mill. of cap space. Remember, Reg was “complaining” for lack of a better word about being so limited by the cap so now what to do with that $$$?
We’re all thinking he’s saving it for when the cuts start up but wouldn’t NOW be a good time to spend that $$$ on bringing a guy in that could help? A veteran WR? a veteran TE? Linebacker? Corner? Running back? QB?
Anybody real good is not gonna be cut from another team…that’s why they get cut…or cuz a team is overloaded in a certain area.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I will put the over/under at week 1 starters not on the current roster at .5
If we add one, it will be only one.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Certainly we need to develop a good returnman in house or go out into free agency as it’s going to be ahwile till Jacoby returns from the foot sprain.
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McCann will be a return guy, and he has career numbers very similar to Jacoby’s in the return game.
Less TD’s, less fumbles, mostly the same average, with experience at punt returns.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am
I put the over/under for week 1 starters at 1.5
I think we have a need for 2 starters, but at a minimum we need one.
Also, by starters, I mean starters on offense, defense and special teams.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Kobe scored 68 points in 15 minutes…..against Chinese people….but still…..68 in 15 minutes against air would be impressive!
August 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am
If Myers is still hurt, I am can see us adding a vet TE, but I think Gordon would still start week 1.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Initally I wasn’t to HOT on signing Benson OR Grant, as camp was kicking off……But now, getting Grant in here sounds pretty DAMN good right about now.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am
McCann looked good against the practice squad and future car salesmen on Zona’s team. I liked that he looked decisive about where he was running. Not like Jacoby who shukes and jives sideways until the entire Cardinal team have him cornered at the 12 yard line. Damnit Jacoby, make a decision already and trust the speed.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:31 am
McCann looked good LAST YEAR returning kicks for us.
Almost housed one against the Chiefs.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Gordon’s not starter quality, sorry. Bad idea. If they tried it, they would be sorry. It would be short term. This is a situation begging to be resolved via free agencey.
Also, Burris as a starter in week one scares me. Curry doesn’t look like he’ll be ready so we need to bring in someone capable to rotate in with Burris, because I think starting Burris will haunt us and will be the weakness that opposing OC’s will target.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am
If Reggie doesn’t spend that $$$ then I don’t ever wanna hear any crying about not having enough money to get players becuz of the cap.
Granted, most of the good players are already signed but if a GM plans well wouldn’t they know that the extra money would be available?
It wasn’t like this $$$ fell out of the sky into his lap. It was the moves HE made that created the cap space in the 1st place.
I’m sure he’ll do something with it that will shock us with happiness, but I don’t think it carries over so to just not spend it makes no sense. Unless Mark wants it for something. A new yacht?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Raidernationdave Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Again, just exactly why would a Donkeys fan dress his wife in S&B?
He wouldn’t? I mean what would be the point? He’d dress her in Donkey orange & blue.
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wonder if she has to wear the fake John Elway horse teeth too ???
August 20th, 2012 at 9:33 am
421.theghostronin79 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Initally I wasn’t to HOT on signing Benson OR Grant, as camp was kicking off……But now, getting Grant in here sounds pretty DAMN good right about now.
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Yeah. Only becuz Goodson’s fumbleitis has us cared schyttless.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:34 am
*scared.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
#53, that was a good swat of the ball that #75 picked up and rolled into the end zone. That 3rd stringer for AZ looked pretty decent, as did that runner!
August 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Well, we will see.
I just think this is pretty much what we are rolling with, unless of course more injuries surface.
We will add some guys for depth, and maybe a TE or OLB, but certainly not a starter at both, with a RB and a KR.
And SOME of that salary-cap space gets to roll over I believe.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Which leads to the question, what GOOD players are still out there?
Plaxico doesn’t seem to be an option but when we’re facing the real possibility of starting TWO rookies on opening night a veteran LIKE him would sure be something we need right now.
I know, everybody here hates the idea of Plaxico, but were talking TWO rookies starting on MNF week 1.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Yes and remember the last time we started 2 rooks at WR, pretty much the whole year!
August 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Now, maybe The Reggie is waiting to make a trade for someone, a la Al and the Seymour deal.
I can see that as a more likely scenario, than picking up someone’s trash at TE or OLB 8 days before the season starts and starting him week 1.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Why are we starting two rookies opening night?
Is DHB’s injury that serious?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Why are we starting two rookies opening night?
Is DHB’s injury that serious?
I know its his shoulder right? Didn’t even see what happened…if he is out, then it will be Streeter and Criner?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Isn’t DMoore getting closer to returning as well?
I also see a trade as the more likely scenario. I don’t have a problem with the cap space for now, as long as we end up using it. It’s in Big Mac’s pocket in case he has a good opportunity arises or desperation.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Chiefs LB Hali suspended 1 game for substance abuse violation….why not 4 games?
fk KC!
August 20th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Sign TJ Houzmydaddy!
August 20th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I still believe this, but I hope Im wrong:
Gonna be a long year for the offense. A washed up Carson Palmer, and a Horrible OC (Knapp). Our Defense will be good. Last year it was the Defense, this year it will be a bad Offense. Knapp & Palmer are useless, and our backup QB’s suck!
August 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I’m not worried about the rookie Streater. Catches anything in his wheelhouse and looks to be durable. He’s everything I thought Criner was going to be. Not that Criner isn’t going to one day get there, and his 4.37 speed hasn’t even been put to the test yet. So anyone worried about rookie starters, stop worrying already. Kid is gonna turn out fine.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:53 am
DHB will be fine by opening night. He’s practically made of steel. Maybe why balls bounce off him so quickly.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I mean DHB was carried off on a stretched last year in Minny and started the next week.
You telling me he is not going to be ready in 3+ weeks?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
I could have sworn DHB was made out of stone….
August 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Subject: OLYMPIC BLOOPERS
Here are the top nine comments made by NBC sports commentators during the Summer Olympics that they would like to take back:
1. Weightlifting commentator: “This is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this morning during her warm up and it was amazing.”
2. Dressage commentator: “This is really a lovely horse and I speak from personal experience since I once mounted her mother.”
3. Paul Hamm, Gymnast: “I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and father.”
4. Boxing Analyst: “Sure there have been injuries, and even some deaths in boxing, but none of them really that serious.”
5. Softball announcer: “If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing again.”
6. Basketball analyst: “He dribbles a lot and the opposition doesn’t like it. In fact you can see it all over their faces.”
7. At the rowing medal ceremony: “Ah, isn’t that nice, the wife of the IOC president is hugging the cox of the British crew.”
8. Soccer commentator: “Julian Dicks is everywhere. It’s like they’ve got eleven Dicks on the field.”
9. Tennis commentator: “One of the reasons Andy is playing so well is that, before the final round, his wife takes out his balls and kisses them…Oh my God, what have I just said?”
August 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am
I could have sworn DHB was made out of stone….
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If he is, then he’s a pure diamond.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
lol
August 20th, 2012 at 10:06 am
444 LMAO too funny!
August 20th, 2012 at 10:09 am
444 is hilarious
August 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Good morning Nation! Any of ya’ll day traders that may know a site that’s good for a novice to use?
August 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Opinions of mine that have changed after the Cardinals game or were reinforced:
I was amped about finally having Mike Goodson running with the first team to see what could do in the ZBS. I was hopeful for his burst and ability to execute the one cut and go slashing type runs. I’d discounted the fumblins issues as an anomoly that was way in the past. Something that he had learned from and would never make that mistake again. Like Tiki Barber did late in his career. But Goodson looked much worse than I could have ever imagined. No burst or vision, Lonyae Miller was an improvement. And he’s weak in the hands and forearms to know how to hold a football. It doesn’t look correctable, and it was worth a try, certainly B. Campbell was no prize anyway. But Goodson shouldn’t be any part of the 2012 Raiders.
I was tentatively “hopeful” that Richard Gordon would step up and steal the starting TE job from Myers, but he looks even less athletic than Myers. And that’s hard to do. For all his blocking skills, he’s a liability as a reciever and when he’s in the game, it’s a “tell” to the defense with what play is being run.
I was anxious to see how big Rich Seymour would impact the DL, and really it was much better than I expected. Loved the continued pressure of the front seven in general but Ro Mac regressed to his incorrect gap guessing and was out of place to make a play more often than not. But have to take it with a grain of salt because the Arizona Cardinals offense is one of the worst in the league. Still very promising to blitz often and it worked well.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Also Terrelle Pryor still hasn’t convinced me he’s a future starting NFL QB, and probably never will if he continues to throw lob those lazy wounded ducks into coverage forcing his primary receiver to be the primary defender.
I’m very interested to see him run wheel routes though!
August 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Good morning Nation! Any of ya’ll day traders that may know a site that’s good for a novice to use?
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Not a day trader, but I do trade. I have accounts with Etrade and Zecco. Zecco is less expensive per trade, good especially if you’ll be day trading as you say. Etrade has better tools.
I’m an amateur though so others in here may know more or have better suggestions. Plus things change all the time. What was good then may not be the bet now.
If you go with Zecco, let me know. I think we can both get money out of it for referrals. Heck, Etrade might be doing this too. I’ll have to check.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Good morning Nation! Any of ya’ll day traders that may know a site that’s good for a novice to use?
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Not a day trader, but I do trade. I have accounts with Etrade and Zecco. Zecco is less expensive per trade, good especially if you’ll be day trading as you say. Etrade has better tools.
I’m an amateur though so others in here may know more or have better suggestions. Plus things change all the time. What was good then may not be the bet now.
If you go with Zecco, let me know. I think we can both get money out of it for referrals. Heck, Etrade might be doing this too. I’ll have to check.
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Hey thanks very much for the info man, I’m just looking for something supplemental. I’m going to do some research before I decide to dive in to it, but if I set up with Zecco I sure will let you know, so we can get that referral money. Thanks again man.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Whoever you do it with, if your under 50, put it in a ROTH IRA.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am
JFB
Thanks for the advice man, I’ve been thinking of just dabbling with penny stocks to learn more, good idea or no?
August 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
No prob. Another thing to consider is the amount of time it takes to transfer money from your checking to your brokerage account. With Etrade, this is instant one you get verified. Zecco takes a few days. Those few days can seem like years when you have a hot stock you want to buy. Or just keep a buffer of cash in your brokerage.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Also Terrelle Pryor still hasn’t convinced me he’s a future starting NFL QB, and probably never will if he continues to throw lob those lazy wounded ducks into coverage forcing his primary receiver to be the primary defender.
I’m very interested to see him run wheel routes though!
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Does anybody know anything about the development of Kordell Stuart? Couldn’t TP be a WR/QB for the Raiders this year? Seems like he is very gifted and would be a focus point everytime he lined up at receiver (initially). I know he needs all the reps he can get at QB, but with all the injuried to our WR corp.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I heard both b. cambell & l.murphy should make the panthers.. meanwhile we need t depth.. and maybe a wr..
August 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
You will learn more for sure, but probably not make any money.
Some pennies do OK, most don’t. I remember seeing one day one would be a gold mining company, the next day a vitamin water company. In fact, they were never any of it.
If you are looking to get going with a smaller amount, just buy some options (calls) on something you like, IMO.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am
The Big Banana Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
No prob. Another thing to consider is the amount of time it takes to transfer money from your checking to your brokerage account. With Etrade, this is instant one you get verified. Zecco takes a few days. Those few days can seem like years when you have a hot stock you want to buy. Or just keep a buffer of cash in your brokerage.
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Ok cool man, makes sense enough to me, Zecco I assume offers penny stocks like Lowtrades and others….I new to this, but have been wanting to try something somewhat low risk for years.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Dell’s World Famous FFL draft is up this weekend.
If I see any autodrafts, I will find a way to kick you in the head.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I am a trader but mostly I am in the FOREX I do have an E-Trade account for stocks. I found them to be very fast as Big Banana said you can use them as a bank so bank to bank transfers happen fast.
If you were going to trade the FOREX I would highly recommend Oanda as they are a highly rated Swiss Bank and have the lowest spreads I have ever seen.
I am looking to start a networking group of day traders to share ideas with I have been trying to do this for a while now.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
You will learn more for sure, but probably not make any money.
Some pennies do OK, most don’t. I remember seeing one day one would be a gold mining company, the next day a vitamin water company. In fact, they were never any of it.
If you are looking to get going with a smaller amount, just buy some options (calls) on something you like, IMO.
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Sweet, any info or guidance is much appreciated bro. I sure don’t want to jump in to something to fast and end up pissing off the ole lady.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
SNB666,
I would love to sit and exchange idea’s with you and others, but compliance reasons does not allow me to partake in public forums.
Company email only.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
why does the nation (and the league) dislike Plaxico? and isn’t there another rb out there to backup DMAC better than the scrubs we got (taiwan still a mystery, and who knows if his slight build will hold up)?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
The Big Banana
Whats your flavor Futures, Commodities, stocks?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I am a trader but mostly I am in the FOREX I do have an E-Trade account for stocks. I found them to be very fast as Big Banana said you can use them as a bank so bank to bank transfers happen fast.
If you were going to trade the FOREX I would highly recommend Oanda as they are a highly rated Swiss Bank and have the lowest spreads I have ever seen.
I am looking to start a networking group of day traders to share ideas with I have been trying to do this for a while now.
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Thanks for the advice man, I’m definitely new to this type of thing, so probably couldn’t contribute much input to the group, but hey I could learn a bit I suppose. Is Forex something too complex for a newbie to try out?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:02 am
How did we finally learn how to tackle after the new cba rules basicly make us play 2 hand touch at practice?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:03 am
“Sweet, any info or guidance is much appreciated bro. I sure don’t want to jump in to something to fast and end up pissing off the ole lady.lol”
Whats cool about doing this with today’s technology is that you can get a practice account and play with fake money for a while until you get the hang of it. That way you can try out different strategies without losing real money.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am
why does the nation (and the league) dislike Plaxico?
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He’s an idiot.
Take the gun thing out of it, he has had a career of being late to everything, popping off to the media, throwing his teammates and QB under the bus, and insists on wearing his hat crooked on the sidelines.
Hence, why he has no job currently, even though he can still clearly play.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
465. Because he shot himself..
August 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
” Is Forex something too complex for a newbie to try out?”
The Forex has its pro’s and con’s just like Options or Stocks etc.
Forex is better suited for technical trading and the vast amount of indicators you can get for Forex is unlimited. It is something you can do in the evening as it is open 24 hours a day 5 1/2 days a week.
Its hard to learn it took me a couple of years to get comfortable with it but its fun for me now.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Silver – been thinking about getting into commodities but I do stocks.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:03 am
“Sweet, any info or guidance is much appreciated bro. I sure don’t want to jump in to something to fast and end up pissing off the ole lady.lol”
Whats cool about doing this with today’s technology is that you can get a practice account and play with fake money for a while until you get the hang of it. That way you can try out different strategies without losing real money.
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Yeah I did notice that Zecco had a practice account where you can play with 50k. That is probably the best option for me, as I’m sure it’ll take me time to learn. Appreciate all the advice man, glad I asked you guys since you all are definitely more experienced at this stuff.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Whats cool about doing this with today’s technology is that you can get a practice account and play with fake money for a while until you get the hang of it. That way you can try out different strategies without losing real money.
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Good point by Silver. I would recommend this route to start.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Tx,
Vegas gave you great advice, but don’t do options. Don’t use real money, learn, play trader (sites like Oanda allows you to have a play account for currency, so I’m sure you can find something for stocks), buy some books to help educate you on the topic (trading for dummies is not a book), and if you like it after some time, do it.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
” Is Forex something too complex for a newbie to try out?”
The Forex has its pro’s and con’s just like Options or Stocks etc.
Forex is better suited for technical trading and the vast amount of indicators you can get for Forex is unlimited. It is something you can do in the evening as it is open 24 hours a day 5 1/2 days a week.
Its hard to learn it took me a couple of years to get comfortable with it but its fun for me now.
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Good to know, I’m probably better suited starting a practice account and getting in to options, I’d guess.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
plax looked good last year, he hasn’t f’d up since his prison term has he?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Jimmy Graham was pretty much an unknown but had the measureables including the big paws coming over from his college’s basketball program. He ends being a star.
Terrelle Pryor has that 6′6″ frame, 233 lbs, big paws, and 4.4 speed. Not that he’d be any more or less a project than he is at QB as TE. But if we converted him, he could be a great weapon at a glaring position of need. It’s a shame to watch all that athletisism holding a clipboard all game long.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
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Thanks for the advice and input bro, looks like most recommend a fake account until I get the grasp of it, sounds like I’ll be setting one up just to dabble for a while.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:11 am
the “shooter” will wind up on an NFL. Looks like has has ditched the prima donna act.
Not sure the ORg will take a shot.
Org wants character guys, not characters, including Mayor McCheese.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
mcfadden20. Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Go Raiders .. Playoffs are going to come this year it’s going to be well worth the 10 year wait because this is the year we will also capture our 4th Lombardy Trophy
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Why do this to yourself?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
convince TP to go in the game as a “special ops WR”.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Not that he’d be any more or less a project than he is at QB as TE. But if we converted him, he could be a great weapon at a glaring position of need. It’s a shame to watch all that athletisism holding a clipboard all game long.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
to play TE TP would need a solid 25 lbs.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
plax looked good last year, he hasn’t f’d up since his prison term has he?
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Didn’t he go on first take and throw some shots at his QB?
He is an azz. And always late to meetings, not a good practice player, etc.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:16 am
to play TE TP would need a solid 25 lbs.
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He is a hard-worker, would be no problem at all.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Tx,
My pleasure. Let me know bro, and I can always share my book knowledge with you (Finance grad), but that’s it since I’m not a trader.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:17 am
He is an azz. And always late to meetings, not a good practice player, etc.
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Was that the case when he played for the jest?
I thought he was a “model citizen” ?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:17 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
raidertalk Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
If Hubris Jackson did not have Bush, the results you’re seeing this preseason would be far, far worse in comparison…
Besides didn’t Knappy have to deal with Duh marcus the last time he was here?
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Ummm, some reporter tried to bait Knapp into ripping JaMarcus a couple of months ago, but instead he praised him for the progress he made while he coached him and regretted the fact that the staff was blown up and he couldn’t continue working with him. Knapp is a damn good coach and his system produces lots of rushing yards and wide open receivers. Guys were wide open on Friday night, we just need Palmer and the receivers to execute. And by the way, Knapp’s system cannot be blamed for the idiotic interceptions Palmer has thrown in his three quarters of work this preseason. I’m convinced the guy is just dumb. Call JR all the names you want, but there’s no way in Hell he makes those dumbsht decisions.
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Didn’t JR have a qb rating of 12 for a game?
Another game a qb rating of 15?
Ya, he easily not only would have made those dumbsht decisions, but did make those dumbsht decisions.
He was so slow that at the end of his second year he had only learned 1/3 of the playbook.
take your head out of your rear
August 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am
He is a hard-worker, would be no problem at all.
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I would not expect him to play TE this year however, I would creat some packes for him to run and catch.
I can see CP hitting him on a wheel. h e has a quick explosing, so i want to get him in space.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am
why does the nation (and the league) dislike Plaxico?
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He’s an idiot.
Take the gun thing out of it, he has had a career of being late to everything, popping off to the media, throwing his teammates and QB under the bus, and insists on wearing his hat crooked on the sidelines.
Hence, why he has no job currently, even though he can still clearly play.
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None of that stopped the Giants from winning the Super Bowl. Kicking him off the team because he wears a crooked cap would have though. I think he could help us, especially if D. Moore’s injury lingers.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Can one of you Semi’s please answer this question.
Did the coaches really give BRL a blank DVD with the KC game plan?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:11 am
the “shooter” will wind up on an NFL. Looks like has has ditched the prima donna act.
Not sure the ORg will take a shot.
Org wants character guys, not characters, including Mayor McCheese
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i feel you and no matter how effective guys like t.o. randy and plax were they weren’t team guys so i never wanted em. but guys deserve a second chance and plax has said/done all the right things. incentive laden contract for the right # might work for a guy itching to play plus look at our wr situation
dhb-drops hella balls
ford-dropsies, injured foot again, small
d moore-injured, small
criner-hasn’t shown schit
streater-come on the guys a ufda let’s hope he continues to do his thing
plax could be palmers security blanket. if you need a big play, all receivers are covered. besides d moore, who would you rather throw it to?
a. dhb
b. ford
c. myers
d. plax
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I think Goodson’s new nickname should be “Squirtson” (or “Fumbleson”)
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Can one of you Semi’s please answer this question.
Did the coaches really give BRL a blank DVD with the KC game plan?
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It’s never been confirmed or denied, but it would fit JaPaycheck’s modus operandi perfectly.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
One thing you have to give Plax credit for is that he is a killa in the Red Zone. We could use a tall veteran presence when we get down close to the end zone. I would say he’s worth the risk.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
It’s never been confirmed or denied, but it would fit JaPaycheck’s modus operandi perfectly.
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i would pay to know the truth…that shats funny as hell.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Can one of you Semi’s please answer this question.
Did the coaches really give BRL a blank DVD with the KC game plan?
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It’s never been confirmed or denied, but it would fit JaPaycheck’s modus operandi perfectly.
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Should have stopped at “It’s never been confirmed”. That story is complete horsesht!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:27 am
If we plan to run 3-4 sometimes and how thin we are at lb why not kick da tires on lights out…
Or did dat light flame out acouple years ago???
August 20th, 2012 at 11:27 am
plax could be palmers security blanket. if you need a big play, all receivers are covered. besides d moore, who would you rather throw it to?
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If my guys are healthy;
1. JFORD
2. DHB
August 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
We should pick up Plex. We’ve put up with prima donnas before.
Moore, Ford, and Jones will likely be out of it most of the season, due to so called strained “hammies.”
At least Plex can stay on the field and make great catches for which those described above can only dream .
Also look for the lovely DHB to go into decline this season as he will not be force fed the ball, time and again.
We need WR’s, CB;s and RB’s.
We should sign Plex now.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
REALLIONAIREB Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:27 am
If we plan to run 3-4 sometimes and how thin we are at lb why not kick da tires on lights out…
Or did dat light flame out acouple years ago???
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I would bring him in…
August 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Didn’t he go on first take and throw some shots at his QB?
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after prison? IF that’s the case i don’t want him, otherwise he was racking up tds with mark sanchez throwing to him and he’ll attract alotta attention at the goal line
August 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Years ago, a pretty good QB out of Maryland, Mike Tice, was converted to a TE in the NFL — made a pretty good one, at that. I agree with others that we should look at our position of need and work a player in who has a lot of untapped talent — of course, we’d have to change his number from #6!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
‘The Shooter” is picking up steam amongst the semi’s.
Jerry, and Steve you need to notify the org, specifically McKenzie, let him know the Semi’s want “the Shooter”
August 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
I would almost suspect Debo of being JaMarcus himself, but if JaMarcus had Debo’s passion, his name wouldn’t have become synonymous with “Bust” the way it did.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:27 am
plax could be palmers security blanket. if you need a big play, all receivers are covered. besides d moore, who would you rather throw it to?
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If my guys are healthy;
1. JFORD
2. DHB
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Stay healthy ? now that is a joke. Ford couldn’t catch a pass if he was the broad side of a barn. DHB is a force fed shill who can catch a pass, but will drop it in a pressure situation, and definitely won’t score.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
plax could be palmers security blanket. if you need a big play, all receivers are covered. besides d moore, who would you rather throw it to?
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If my guys are healthy;
1. JFORD
2. DHB
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Rodney is quickly becoming a target favorate of both Palmer AND Lienart……He’s under construction but, dang, I think Carson hit #80 on 3 straight plays, AND went to him in the Endzone, Not to mention Palmer under durress ALOT…it says to me…….”Oh Sh*t, the heat is coming…Who do I trust?” There’s a nice chemistry developing there.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Can one of you Semi’s please answer this question.
Did the coaches really give BRL a blank DVD with the KC game plan?
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It’s never been confirmed or denied, but it would fit JaPaycheck’s modus operandi perfectly.
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Should have stopped at “It’s never been confirmed”. That story is complete horsesht!
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That story’s been kicking around for years. If it’s false, why has no one ever denied it?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
None of that stopped the Giants from winning the Super Bowl.
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Or winning one without him with an undrafted guy from UMASS-Amherst.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Debo is back at it again. He/she left off on JaWalrus around 2am this morning and is right back at it.
Talk about obsession.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Thec I know right
He can be atleast a situational pass rusher
Never can hav 2 many those
See Ny G-men
August 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Speaking of “Shooter,” has anyone else been keeping up with the Chavis Carter case?
The Arkansas ME is now ruling that Carter committed suicide by firing a handgun against his temple.
While his hands were cuffed behind his back.
In a police car.
After being frisked twice.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Stay healthy ? now that is a joke. Ford couldn’t catch a pass if he was the broad side of a barn.
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Who said stay healthy???? If my guys are healthy I want MY GUYS…
huh??? JFORD targeted 2 times Fri with 2 catches.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:36 am
my guess
our o being top tier is our only chance of making a run. if we struggle on o, teams will start running all over us as they have in the past and good qb’s will be salivating to go up against spencer/bartell/dvd/and chekwa
plax can help
August 20th, 2012 at 11:37 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Speaking of “Shooter,” has anyone else been keeping up with the Chavis Carter case?
The Arkansas ME is now ruling that Carter committed suicide by firing a handgun against his temple.
While his hands were cuffed behind his back.
In a police car.
After being frisked twice.
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Kell brought this one up last week I think… A total head scratcher… The guy was shot in the right temple however, he is left handed…
August 20th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I honestly can’t believe that story to be true.
How can he not at least put the DVD in, and at least watch 15 minutes of it before he falls asleep on the coach in a drunken stupor?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Speaking of “Shooter,” has anyone else been keeping up with the Chavis Carter case?
The Arkansas ME is now ruling that Carter committed suicide by firing a handgun against his temple.
While his hands were cuffed behind his back.
In a police car.
After being frisked twice
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nothing new, cops won’t see a day of jailtime. only ones that will get busted are the ones that killed the homeless man in fullerton. guess why
August 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
REALLIONAIREB Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Thec I know right
He can be atleast a situational pass rusher
Never can hav 2 many those
See Ny G-men
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we are thin at LB imo…
I would take a flyer on him, see if he has anything left in the tank.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
“The Big Banana Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Silver – been thinking about getting into commodities but I do stocks.”
The nice thing about commodities is that you can trade globally so at 8PM in the evening you can do trades like the FOREX.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
He shat er.. shot himself.. come on..
August 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I honestly can’t believe that story to be true.
How can he not at least put the DVD in, and at least watch 15 minutes of it before he falls asleep on the coach in a drunken stupor?
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ROFLMAO… right… I know it may not be true however, it is funny.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Thec,
I see Ford imploding. He will be out for the season injured in the preseason already. Maybe not, that is just my prediction.
Moore seems to be headed that way, as well as Jones.
I really don’t see a future for these 3 guys with the Raiders. We hung on to Chaz way too long after riding the pine. Louis Murphy was never the same after taking a big lick.
It’s not that I don’t think they are talented, I just feel they can’t stay the game due to strained “hammies” and a variety of other ills.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am
time to run…Have fun guys.
1 NATION
August 20th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Umm.. im not sure you used the broad side of a barn right..lol
August 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
None of that stopped the Giants from winning the Super Bowl.
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Or winning one without him with an undrafted guy from UMASS-Amherst.
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Lol! Five years later. I guess you didn’t watch the NFC Championship game against Green Bay that year. And if there is a Victor Cruz on this team, I’d like you to show him to me. I guess there’s potential with our group, but if they struggle, I’m sure there’ll be a lot of hate directed toward those guys on this board all year. It’s very rare that there’s a substitute for experience at that position. We should bring in Plex now before a good team loses a receiver and he gets snatched up.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Mark’s Hair,
lol…..I used the broad side of a barn saying in reverse. Normally, it would be, “he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.” I used it in reverse, “He couldn’t catch a pass if he was the broad side of a barn” being wide open, great pass right on the numbers, and he still drops the ball.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:49 am
289.Bob Marley Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
I think Knapp is playing it somewhat close to the vest.
Especially these 3rd and long draws he is calling. I like him doing that, because a play that can convert a 3rd and 9 is gold in this league, we don’t need to show that right now.
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Unfortunately, the draw on 3rd and long is one of Knapp’s favorite calls, as well as the 5 yard crossing route and the ultrapredictable screen to a RB.
Besides, there’s plenty of film on Knapp’s offense, I don’t think he’s hiding that much or suddenly designed a new playbook.
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Exactly!
On a 3rd and 7…Knapp will call a play that goes for 5 yards and hopes his WR’s makes a play after catching it. It’s not going to happen.
Knapp and his conservative and unimaginative play calling is going to kill us this year. Just watch!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Well the pre season has been very interesting so far. There have been 3 qbs that have really impressed. RGIII, Russel Wilson, and andrew luck. I can see all 3 of these rookies developing into very very good pros and one day leading their teams deep into the playoffs, provided that the team is smart and build around them.
While RGIII and wilson were way undersold as passers, they have been sensational throwing the ball all camp and. I have long contended that these two were most accurate passers in the draft, and two of the most accurate college qbs i have ever seen ( RGIII the all time most accurate I have ever seen). They have also dazzled with their leadership poise, ability to read the defense and make good decisions. The there is the added dimension of their other worldly athletic ability. I would kill to have either one of these guys in silver and black.
Andrew luck has looked every bit as good as advertised, and he made the steelers game look like stanford vs washington state. He will be the guy in the afc that will eventually be a thorn in tom brady’s side. I would also take luck over palmer, not based on potential but based on where they are now as players.
The colts are in good hands, as he is ahead of manning as a rookie, way ahead. i believe his athletic ability was a bit undersold, and he will surprise teams with his ability to extend plays. he reminds me very much of rich gannon. Smart with the ball an accurate passer, and can pick up a 3 and 5 with his feet in a pinch.
For all of the talk that the qb position is in dire straits in the nfl I disagree. Ther is a new wave of qbs that will eventually take over for the current elite qbs. In fact i thik the qb position is experiencing both a Renaissance and a rebirth all at the same time.
You still have your drop back passers, the manning brothers, brees, brady and the like. You also have thier young proteges that may succed them, guys like bradford, stafford.
You also have your more athletic qbs. Right now the top of the heap is arron rodgers, followed by rothlisbuerger and romo. These guys can extend plays with their feet and beat you from the pocket, of course rodgers is much better decision maker and far more accurate as a passer. I feel as though andrew luck will fit into this mold as well.
Then you have the new nfl qb, the guys with the rocket arm and the unparalleled athleticism. These guys can not only carve you up from the pocket with laser like precision, not only extend plays with their feet, but they can take off and score from anywhere on the filed.
Micheal vick and vince young used to occupy this territory alone, now there is anew wave of guys with this skill set, only they are far better than their predecessors. Cam newton and RGIII and russel wilson are guys that are revolutionizing the way qb is played in the nfl. they are pure passers, that also run like gazelles. they are super smart qbs, that can dissect a defense within seconds and stand in the pocket dicing with ease.
This is the type of qb i hope we draft next year, so we may join the space aged arms race. Right now we are behind the times, with an obsolete model qb that will soo go the way of the betamax and 8 track player.
The qb position is getting is becoming even better than it was before as there are now 3 distinct types of qb that are targeted on draft day.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I don’t like Plex, more trouble than he’s worth. Not a player to build around, won’t help the young WR corp. Bad character, foolish manchild.
But, we surely need another redzone target down low, because our group of oft ailing WR’s and no talent TE’s aren’t going to get it done on 3rd and one at the GL on play action. At least Plex is a reliable GL type target. I’ll at least give him that.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Mistic1
What do you think of Josh Johnson? Would you pick him up if the 9ers cut him?
Also, what do you think of Pryor playing a little WR this year? (Screw with opposing teams)
August 20th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Is everyone waiting until the start of the season to sign Plax, contract isn’t guaranteed?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am
liked what i saw from wilson, is he too undersized or he drew brees good?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Is everyone waiting until the start of the season to sign Plax, contract isn’t guaranteed?
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Yup, I would think so.
He can clearly play still, but half the teams in the league CAN’T EVEN CONSIDER HIM, because of the chance of the team starting 1-4 and him deciding to check out soon thereafter and become a distraction.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:57 am
“Mistic1
What do you think of Josh Johnson? Would you pick him up if the 9ers cut him?”
I know I am not Mystic1 but I did like what I saw from Josh Johnson in fact he had one perfect pass against the Texans that was a thing of beauty.
The way Josh Johnson is playing right now was what I expected from Pryor at this point but its obvious that Johnson is light years ahead of TP.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:57 am
I hope Carroll plays him with the 1’s this week.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Mistic,
What about R Tannehill?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
inonewordraider Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am
liked what i saw from wilson, is he too undersized or he drew brees good?
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All of a sudden, Seattle looks set at QB. I was very skeptical of Matt Flynn, but he’s looking pretty good too.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
527.RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
None of that stopped the Giants from winning the Super Bowl.
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Or winning one without him with an undrafted guy from UMASS-Amherst.
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Lol! Five years later. I guess you didn’t watch the NFC Championship game against Green Bay that year. And if there is a Victor Cruz on this team, I’d like you to show him to me. I guess there’s potential with our group, but if they struggle, I’m sure there’ll be a lot of hate directed toward those guys on this board all year. It’s very rare that there’s a substitute for experience at that position. We should bring in Plex now before a good team loses a receiver and he gets snatched up.
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Another unpopular stance but I give u props for making it.
All I want to do is WIN! If getting a guy like Plax is gonna help that happen than i’m all for it.
Guys ask “do u wanna guy like Plax in the locker room messing up the young guys”? No. But I also don’t want a corps of untested rookies starting for us all year.
It’s one thing to have ONE rookie starting at wideout but BOTH your wr’s being rookies?
I was against having Plax on the team before…but now….? I don’t know.
He is a sure handed veteran.
It’s a tuff call imo.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Mistic1
What do you think of Josh Johnson? Would you pick him up if the 9ers cut him?
Also, what do you think of Pryor playing a little WR this year? (Screw with opposing teams)
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I like johnson but I look at him the way I view dennis dixon or joe webb in minny. I thik they are talented guys but they need a team to commit to them in order to develop, otherwise they will always be relegated to 3rd string roster fringe qbs. TI dont think we have room for them with our 3 qbs already set.
I would not ever spend a single second playing pryor at any other position, it would rob him of the chance to develop as a qb.
Kordell stewart and brad smith are guy that come to mind. Koredll was very talented but they wasted his first couple of years shuffling him into different postilions, and then juggled o coordinators on almost a yearly basis. This stunted his growth, and the lack of commitment by steelers to develop his talent at qb, cost the steelers and kordell dearly.
let pryor sink or swim as qb. besides we already have quality depth at wr, so he wouldnt be able to see any meaningful time there either, it would be a complete waste. we need to know going forward if he is our future or not. Playing wr will not answer that question.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Mistic,
What about R Tannehill?
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Poor guy is good, but he’s gonna have issues. Bad WR talent. At least he has Bess. He better hope one of those other guys emerges. Maybe Naane.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
All of a sudden, Seattle looks set at QB. I was very skeptical of Matt Flynn, but he’s looking pretty good too
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marshawn lynch isn’t letting up, yet another guy with a bad past….. could have had him on the cheap…
August 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Mistic,
What about R Tannehill?
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Im not sold, but he maybe a good player. I dont put him on the same level as RGIII Wilson or Luck, and there is a wide gap. However he and kirk cousins have acquitted themselves and could be solid.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Yeah. Just messin s&b. I got cha. .. kid couldnt catch the ball if he were an ocean in the middle if a …. not ocean.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
You fellas are much braver then I am. I am convinced the market is rigged and it is supported with funny money
August 20th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
We could have had willson if we didnt take tp right?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
let pryor sink or swim as qb. besides we already have quality depth at wr…
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Why waste that God given talent he posesses by stubbornly attempt to make him something he’s not ever going to be? He was incorrectly recruited as a QB at OSU and bailed out by good receivers. But he’s got no future at the QB position. And the notion that we have “quality depth” at WR is laughable. We are riding a bunch of young guys who mostly have yet to prove themselves compared to any of the better receivers in the league.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
O
Thanks a lot man, I may or may not get in to the trading stuff, but I’ll know more after these practice accounts. Thanks again man, I’ll let you know if I need you financial expertise.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I am convinced the market is rigged and it is supported with funny money
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Well it kind of is.
But nothing wrong with one of those weird fish that cling to the Great White, right?
That fish eats well!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Mistic,
What about R Tannehill?
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Poor guy is good, but he’s gonna have issues. Bad WR talent. At least he has Bess. He better hope one of those other guys emerges. Maybe Naane.
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I agree. Trading WR BM for a 3rd to Chicago was a dumb move IMHO.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I believe that Carson Palmer is the short and outyear answer to our QB spot. I also think he corrects his INT issues as he adapts and learns Knapp’s system. Maybe I’m drunk on the kool-aid. Maybe I’m optimistic. I’m not discounting the possibility.
But if there is to be a young QB to step in to usurp Mr. Palmer, it won’t be young Pryor. Two games is enough to see what his ceiling is and it’s not nearly high enough to get it done. If you want to talk about using a high draft pick next year for a top QB, fine. But spend a 3rd round pick and pin your hopes on it and remember that you get what you pay for. Pryor is cheap and expendable. But a great athelete we should attempt to exploit prior to letting him go. Any sink or swim theories on his development would be rash and not return adequate value for Al Davis’s foolish final draft pick.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Im not sold, but he maybe a good player. I dont put him on the same level as RGIII Wilson or Luck, and there is a wide gap. However he and kirk cousins have acquitted themselves and could be solid.
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Wasn’t he a WR who started playing QB in college? Not bad IMO.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
527.RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
None of that stopped the Giants from winning the Super Bowl.
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Or winning one without him with an undrafted guy from UMASS-Amherst.
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Lol! Five years later. I guess you didn’t watch the NFC Championship game against Green Bay that year. And if there is a Victor Cruz on this team, I’d like you to show him to me. I guess there’s potential with our group, but if they struggle, I’m sure there’ll be a lot of hate directed toward those guys on this board all year. It’s very rare that there’s a substitute for experience at that position. We should bring in Plex now before a good team loses a receiver and he gets snatched up.
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Another unpopular stance but I give u props for making it.
All I want to do is WIN! If getting a guy like Plax is gonna help that happen than i’m all for it.
Guys ask “do u wanna guy like Plax in the locker room messing up the young guys”? No. But I also don’t want a corps of untested rookies starting for us all year.
It’s one thing to have ONE rookie starting at wideout but BOTH your wr’s being rookies?
I was against having Plax on the team before…but now….? I don’t know.
He is a sure handed veteran.
It’s a tuff call imo.
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Starting two rookies WR has only been done twice in recent memory that I can rmember. In 2000 when the Bengals forced Akili Smith to start the season with FSU teammates Ron Dugans and Peter Warrick and in 2009 when JaMarcus was saddled with DHB and Murphy due to the injury to Chaz. We know how both situations worked out. It should go over better here since the QB is a 10-year vet and these rookies (especially Streater) can get open and catch the football. Plus Knapp’s system doesn’t call for the QB to drop back and try to make 20-yard completions all game like Buddy Whackitt and Ted Tollner did to JR. Just don’t think we should take the chance if we don’t have to. Plax wouldn’t be a problem, and for those of you who can’t sleep at night because NFL players make a lot of money, he’d be cheap.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
let pryor sink or swim as qb. besides we already have quality depth at wr…
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Why waste that God given talent he posesses by stubbornly attempt to make him something he’s not ever going to be? He was incorrectly recruited as a QB at OSU and bailed out by good receivers. But he’s got no future at the QB position. And the notion that we have “quality depth” at WR is laughable. We are riding a bunch of young guys who mostly have yet to prove themselves compared to any of the better receivers in the league.
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Pryor has never played wr in his life, so trying to turn him into a receiver as a pro makes no sense, he will never be a better receiver than the guys listed in that position on our roster.
this is a non issue as pryor was drafted to play qb, and d.a is on the record that is where he will be evaluated.
end of story
August 20th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Mistic,
What about R Tannehill?
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Poor guy is good, but he’s gonna have issues. Bad WR talent. At least he has Bess. He better hope one of those other guys emerges. Maybe Naane.
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I agree. Trading WR BM for a 3rd to Chicago was a dumb move IMHO.
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No kidding. GMs and coaches more interested in “sending messages” and “cleaning up the locker room” end up on the street sooner than later.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
So I guess extra points might be an issue as well than, since what, our 2nd one was blocked?
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Hate to say it, but yes. Im actually concerned about our not so special teams more than our offense or defense. Every aspect of special teams has ben horrible, people can blame it on Ford or Condo and King, but who you going to blame the blocking for Ford or the return coverage on?
Didn’t we bring in the Special teams coach that got fired from KC? Wonder why he got the boot? lol. So far Im more concerned about this coaching hire than Knapps. The offense looks to have some promise once the kinks are worked out, but the SP teams look like they haven’t got coached up at all in the offseason. This is the area I want to see the most improvement in come Saturday, it can’t get any worse, can it?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Who was returning kicks against the Cards?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Tx,
I’m not an expert bro. I buy/ sell and develop property in Jordan. I love finance and I enjoy talking about it, but all I can tell you is what I learned from school. I have no experience in trading. I do make a good portfolio on paper! LOL
August 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I believe that Carson Palmer is the short and outyear answer to our QB spot. I also think he corrects his INT issues as he adapts and learns Knapp’s system. Maybe I’m drunk on the kool-aid. Maybe I’m optimistic. I’m not discounting the possibility.
But if there is to be a young QB to step in to usurp Mr. Palmer, it won’t be young Pryor. Two games is enough to see what his ceiling is and it’s not nearly high enough to get it done. If you want to talk about using a high draft pick next year for a top QB, fine. But spend a 3rd round pick and pin your hopes on it and remember that you get what you pay for. Pryor is cheap and expendable. But a great athelete we should attempt to exploit prior to letting him go. Any sink or swim theories on his development would be rash and not return adequate value for Al Davis’s foolish final draft pick.
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i have never said that pyor was the future at qb, i only agree that he should be evaluated at his natural position. The position he has played his entire life. i also firmly beleive that he has not reached his ceiling and at this point he is a bit of an enigma. i dont think ohioi state did him any favors in terms of developing his skill, and neither did the raiders last year. he doesnt cost much why not give him a couple of off seasons in one offense and find out what he will be. I think he must show major improvement during the year, and especially going into camp in 2013.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Reggie didn’t draft Pryor and wouldn’t have touched him if it was up to him. He’s putting out a bunch of statements that he has to put out there until the situation changes. Once the game tape exposes Pryor’s many faults over a series of games, Reggie will have no choice but to cut him outright or convert him to a TE/WR type. Pryor has huge hands and has caught passes in games before. It wouldn’t be an easy transition, but at least try a guy out with those physical measureables before cutting him, don’t you think? I mean they tried out that unknown Hardy based on measureables and he didn’t work out they cut him. Same thing can be attempted with Pryor.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Who was returning kicks against the Cards?
After Ford went out with a foot injury, it was Brian McCan. One time the kicker kicked it to Miller.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Who was returning kicks against the Cards?
After Ford went out with a foot injury, it was Brian McCan. One time the kicker kicked it to Miller.
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Are you sure it wasn’t Yamon Figures wearing other guys jerseys lol
Yeah I am definetley concerned after watching that.
There may be hope for McCan.
Jacoby=JLH
August 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Im not sold, but he maybe a good player. I dont put him on the same level as RGIII Wilson or Luck, and there is a wide gap. However he and kirk cousins have acquitted themselves and could be solid.
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Wasn’t he a WR who started playing QB in college? Not bad IMO.
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Tannehill was recruited adn went to texas a&m as a qb. he was beaten out by Jerrod johnson ( currently fo the Pittsburgh steelers), and moved to wr by the head coach mike sherman. Jerrod johnson had a major shoulder injury and ( torn labrum) and struggled as a result then tannyhill was reinstated as a qb.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Please pull the plug on the Mike Goodson experiment. I beg you Reg.
I’ll take a lousy 3 ypc schlep that holds onto the ball thank you very much. Just say no to turnovers!
Keeping Goodson on the roster is like playing with dynamite!
August 20th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
@ 561
Good Point
August 20th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Who was returning kicks against the Cards?
After Ford went out with a foot injury, it was Brian McCan. One time the kicker kicked it to Miller.
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Are you sure it wasn’t Yamon Figures wearing other guys jerseys lol
Yeah I am definetley concerned after watching that.
There may be hope for McCan.
Jacoby=JLH
LOL, Yamon Figures!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Think about how rare it is to be a starting QB in the NFL? There are a lot of Heisman trophy QB’s on the bench holding clipboards. A lot of premier college QB’s that don’t amount to squat in the NFL. That’s rarified air up there. And of the 32 starters, only about half of them can claim a stranglehold to their jobs. GM’s always are looking to upgrade.
Terrelle Pryor may have been steered wrong at OSU. Maybe the Raiders paid him no favors last year. Boo hoo. But it’s up to Pryor to rise above that and make it happen. I’m not rooting against him, but for the Raiders. If he can’t cut it, he’s not alone in the unemployment line of former star college QB’s. It’s a tough racket. Sink or swim.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/20/ryan-tannehill-is-the-dolphins-starting-quarterback/
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Hmmm, wonder if this means Garrard will be available. Just sayin.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
DVD and Criner decided to give it there all during OTA’s and training camp but not make plays during a game. I had hope for these guys. Had being the opertive word.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Reggie didn’t draft Pryor and wouldn’t have touched him if it was up to him. He’s putting out a bunch of statements that he has to put out there until the situation changes. Once the game tape exposes Pryor’s many faults over a series of games, Reggie will have no choice but to cut him outright or convert him to a TE/WR type. Pryor has huge hands and has caught passes in games before. It wouldn’t be an easy transition, but at least try a guy out with those physical measureables before cutting him, don’t you think? I mean they tried out that unknown Hardy based on measureables and he didn’t work out they cut him. Same thing can be attempted with Pryor.
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None of that matters, he was signed to a contract before big mck got here. D.A was in denver with tebow, and these two compare favorably. It doesnt cost us anything or hurt in any way to let him be a 3rd string qb and try to learn how to play. They have seen enough to believe he has potential or he would be gone already.
he has never played any other position and it makes no sense to ask him to do so. The D>A and big mck have already gone on record committing to helping pryor become an nfl qb.
You may want him gone or in another position but the raiders are doing the smart thing.
the real issue that must be adressed is our floundering starter, not the 3rd string developmental player.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Rod Streater keeps up the effort and he may be the newest jersey added to my collection.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
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Yeah I know how it is man, I’ve been hesitant to get in to trading, may be a bit of a learning curve for me. Can’t help for me to use the practice accounts, even if it takes me months to figure out.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Romac not looking to shabby so far.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Sign and trade marquette king lol!
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Plax, has Reg called yet?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bob McNair on replacement refs: “I can’t see any difference”
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Well, I just learned Bob Mcnair is obviously FK’N blind!
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Mistic,
Pryor has played WR “in his life”, in fact catching a TD at the highest level of collegiate football.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZYZktLdns
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
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On the 1st interception, it can be debated all day long whether Palmer’s pass was too long, or whether Ford could’ve made a better attempt to at least break it up. After watching it a few times, I believe the former. But what can’t be debated is that it was a horrible decision to throw the ball in the 1st place. The same can be said for the second int. That’s the issue here. Not questioning his physical talent, it’s what’s going on upstairs. Very concerned.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Palmer is the least of the Raiders worries.
Let’s see TE, backup RB, Wideout depth, CB…
Now those are troublesome situations.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
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Totally agree, I also think if Streater continues to play well, he may be the next household name for the Nation. fingers crossed
August 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
“You fellas are much braver then I am. I am convinced the market is rigged and it is supported with funny money”
You should understand what the big money players are doing in any market if you don’t fully understand their habits and or strategies you will feel like the market is rigged.
If you want to get into the FOREX like I am I have some good books I can recommend that address this issue in depth. I used to feel like the FOREX was rigged until I got good at it.
Be patient it takes a couple of years of study to really get a grip on how the market moves.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I didn’t know that Mistic. Thx for the info bro.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
582.TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
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Totally agree, I also think if Streater continues to play well, he may be the next household name for the Nation. fingers crossed
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Not to belabor this, but the AZ announcers were really saying it was all DMAC on that sideline play.
They were saying it was “sloppy” of DMAC not to get his feet in when he plenty of time to do so.
I thought he was inbounds with 2nd foot actually.
AZ guys were wondering why Allen didn’t challenge it. So did I.
It’s preseason and good to get practice on challenging calls too. Why not? So u lose a timeout in preseason…so what.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
No on Garrard. Tannehill held out and is STILL starting over him. Not a good sign.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
ESPN’s John Clayton reiterated on SportsCenter Sunday that Tarvaris Jackson is sure to be released or traded before Week 1.
“Most likely he will be released or traded after the fourth preseason game,” Clayton said. Jackson is owed a relatively hefty $4 million, so teams may prefer to wait for him to get cut instead of pulling the trigger on a trade. Some teams that make sense as Jackson landing spots include Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Oakland. Jackson has spent his entire career in West Coast schemes.
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I wouldn’t pay 4 mill, but for the right price I would welcome tarvaris to Oaktown.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
the real issue that must be adressed is our floundering starter, not the 3rd string developmental player.
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I dunno if I’d go THAT far. Palmer made some decent throws off balance and on the move. That throw to Streater was a TD, if he maintains to the ground. He avoided the pressure and hit his hot read many times. He had a couple of bad throws…… Manning has had 3 picks as well this preseason. Floundering? Kinda over the top.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
But the point is when seeing the replay that DMAC had plenty of space to get the feet in and was galloping toward the sideline when he made the grab. Maybe Palmer led him a bit too much or else DMAC could have been able to turn upfield for more. But remember that Palmer was being hounded all day. No way DMAC makes the same mistake in a regular season game. Lacked focus there.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
582.TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
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Totally agree, I also think if Streater continues to play well, he may be the next household name for the Nation. fingers crossed
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Not to belabor this, but the AZ announcers were really saying it was all DMAC on that sideline play.
They were saying it was “sloppy” of DMAC not to get his feet in when he plenty of time to do so.
I thought he was inbounds with 2nd foot actually.
AZ guys were wondering why Allen didn’t challenge it. So did I.
It’s preseason and good to get practice on challenging calls too. Why not? So u lose a timeout in preseason…so what.
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Not concerned about that play at all. If they run it 9 more times, they hit it everytime. But it never should have come down to McFadden getting his feet down. If Palmer throws a good ball, he’s waltzing into the endzone.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
ESPN’s John Clayton reiterated on SportsCenter Sunday that Tarvaris Jackson is sure to be released or traded before Week 1.
“Most likely he will be released or traded after the fourth preseason game,” Clayton said. Jackson is owed a relatively hefty $4 million, so teams may prefer to wait for him to get cut instead of pulling the trigger on a trade. Some teams that make sense as Jackson landing spots include Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Oakland. Jackson has spent his entire career in West Coast schemes.
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I wouldn’t pay 4 mill, but for the right price I would welcome tarvaris to Oaktown.
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No thanks. Doubt he’d even be as good as Leinart.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
582.TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
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Totally agree, I also think if Streater continues to play well, he may be the next household name for the Nation. fingers crossed
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Not to belabor this, but the AZ announcers were really saying it was all DMAC on that sideline play.
They were saying it was “sloppy” of DMAC not to get his feet in when he plenty of time to do so.
I thought he was inbounds with 2nd foot actually.
AZ guys were wondering why Allen didn’t challenge it. So did I.
It’s preseason and good to get practice on challenging calls too. Why not? So u lose a timeout in preseason…so what.
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I concur
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
580.RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. He has a couple of bad picks, the Jacoby pick was all Jacoby imo, and the Gordon INT was all Palmer. The McFadden sideline out of bound catch was sloppiness by McFadden. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine. Not perfect, but adapting to a new system. He’ll get there. I expect a nice game coming up here in game #3.
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On the 1st interception, it can be debated all day long whether Palmer’s pass was too long, or whether Ford could’ve made a better attempt to at least break it up. After watching it a few times, I believe the former. But what can’t be debated is that it was a horrible decision to throw the ball in the 1st place. The same can be said for the second int. That’s the issue here. Not questioning his physical talent, it’s what’s going on upstairs. Very concerned.
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It’s not some kind of mental disorder, i just think it’s just a little overconfidence if anything.
Int’s can be killers for sure. He’s gotta be a little more careful.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
ESPN’s John Clayton reiterated on SportsCenter Sunday that Tarvaris Jackson is sure to be released or traded before Week 1.
“Most likely he will be released or traded after the fourth preseason game,” Clayton said. Jackson is owed a relatively hefty $4 million, so teams may prefer to wait for him to get cut instead of pulling the trigger on a trade. Some teams that make sense as Jackson landing spots include Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Oakland. Jackson has spent his entire career in West Coast schemes.
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I wouldn’t pay 4 mill, but for the right price I would welcome tarvaris to Oaktown.
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No thanks. Doubt he’d even be as good as Leinart.
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your joking, right???
August 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
AZ guys were wondering why Allen didn’t challenge it. So did I.
It’s preseason and good to get practice on challenging calls too. Why not? So u lose a timeout in preseason…so what.
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His foot looked to touch the White, IMO……Allen challenged the spot on a 3rd down conversion, and WON, we got a 1st down. I don’t think he’s afraid to challenge. Prolly just thought he’d lose the DMAC call, and so do I.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
TP probably practiced that fade route for a month going into the Fiesta Bowl, and first time they tried, he punks the guy TD.
Why aren’t we trying this?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Tx,
I’m assuming that the idea behind the trading is to generate extra income correct?
I can show you a better way, more return on your investment, and a lot less risky than the market.
Cars!
DJ knows exactly what I’m saying.
I think he had a 100% return in a few months. lol
August 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
No on Garrard. Tannehill held out and is STILL starting over him. Not a good sign.
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Garrard was the clear frontrunner for the job. He got injured and had to have his knee scoped. He should be ready for week 1 though.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I wouldn’t be averse to seeing a post about Reggie signing another RB OR veteran WR today.
If for no other reaosn than spicing things up around here…and the fact we need help in some areas imo.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
TP probably practiced that fade route for a month going into the Fiesta Bowl, and first time they tried, he punks the guy TD.
Why aren’t we trying this?
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We will, It won’t be much longer and the TP QB project will be scraped. The Raiders will try to get some production out of him, just in another form.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
597.Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Tx,
I’m assuming that the idea behind the trading is to generate extra income correct?
I can show you a better way, more return on your investment, and a lot less risky than the market.
Cars!
DJ knows exactly what I’m saying.
I think he had a 100% return in a few months. lol
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That’s true…I did. Tempting to almost get in the business of doing that.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
No on Garrard. Tannehill held out and is STILL starting over him. Not a good sign.
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Garrard was the clear frontrunner for the job. He got injured and had to have his knee scoped. He should be ready for week 1 though.
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Ummmmm Garrard will be at the bar with Mike Goodson watching the games from afar.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Not concerned about that play at all. If they run it 9 more times, they hit it everytime. But it never should have come down to McFadden getting his feet down. If Palmer throws a good ball, he’s waltzing into the endzone.
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That’s true…he would have.
Same thing with Criner against Dallas. He should have made that catch..he would’ve waltzed in on that one too.
We need to get better all the way around.
August 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
DJ,
Do it bro. I will help you as much as I can. 100% return in a month or so. Beat that traders (with the same level of risk).
August 20th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Mistic,
Pryor has played WR “in his life”, in fact catching a TD at the highest level of collegiate football.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZYZktLdns
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That was a gimick play, he was never a receiver
August 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I’ve got some money tied up in S&P index funds and small cap funds, but am considering an Internation index fund transfer. Any advice/suggestions?
August 20th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/20/dez-bryant-heading-for-mri-on-knee/
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If we’re gonna sign Plax, we better do it in a hurry!
August 20th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Plax ain’t coming here, whether it makes sense or not.
The Reggie is patient.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Even with Ford out, as long as DMoore is ready to go by season’s start, we’re fine.
DHB and DMoore starting.
Streater and Criner backing up.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
569.RaiderDebo Says:
Hmmm, wonder if this means Garrard will be available. Just sayin.
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There will be some pretty good QB’s released and Reggie has some money.
The QB position is thye one that would keep me up at nights. Especially if TP is as bad as most think he is.
If Matt was the healthy type I would sleep well however,,,,,,,,,,,
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
“I’ve got some money tied up in S&P index funds and small cap funds, but am considering an Internation index fund transfer. Any advice/suggestions?”
You know Guest123 I am strictly a FOREX trader I spend so much time in the FOREX and blogs, books etc that I do not dabble in any other markets. I wish I did but there is only so much time in a day.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
guest123 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think Palmer is “floundering”. So he has one bad play to speak of. Palmer is doing fine.
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LMAO!!!!!
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
August 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
“I’ve got some money tied up in S&P index funds and small cap funds, but am considering an Internation index fund transfer. Any advice/suggestions?”
On that note of you were asking about what foreign currencies to invest in I could help you there.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Raider O Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Tx,
I’m assuming that the idea behind the trading is to generate extra income correct?
I can show you a better way, more return on your investment, and a lot less risky than the market.
Cars!
DJ knows exactly what I’m saying.
I think he had a 100% return in a few months. lol
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That sounds like a good idea as well, might have to see if a buddy of mine will let me tag along to the auction someday. Good thing is, I know a few good mechanics.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Yeah I have to admit as a Palmer supporter he is sucking ass right now.
Not looking good at all and not comfortable in this offense I thought he looked more comfortable in Hue’s offense than the Knapp crap we are running now.
But you cant blame the scheme for everything at some point he is a professional and should be able to adapt.
He does look confused which is not good.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Relax. Have a cheeseburger. If Palmer still has those numbers once the regular season starts, I’ll worry. Until then, stats in meaningless games with fourth-string running backs and a revolving door of o-linemen and wideouts mean squat.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
666
Yep I agree, whatever CP’s deal is learning the offense, that schit needs to be worked out asap.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
be back in 15
August 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Still not sure why, with Palmer already in place, why bring in a WCO OC in Knapp knowing that Palmer was never comfortable in it ever…well, I guess that is what Al Saunders is for, right?
August 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
TxRaider210 I trade all day everyday but its a high energy lifestyle to be a FOREX trader you must keep your finger on the pulse at all times.
If you are just looking for ways to make extra money Raider O might be right I am not sure exactly what he is doing but he seems to have a pretty good understanding of the car market.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
TxRaider210 I trade all day everyday but its a high energy lifestyle to be a FOREX trader you must keep your finger on the pulse at all times.
If you are just looking for ways to make extra money Raider O might be right I am not sure exactly what he is doing but he seems to have a pretty good understanding of the car market.
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The commitment is the key. Unless you’re able to treat day trading like a full-time job with the requisite level of mental focus, you’ll probably lose your shirt and would be better off sticking with mutual funds.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Still not sure why, with Palmer already in place, why bring in a WCO OC in Knapp knowing that Palmer was never comfortable in it ever…well, I guess that is what Al Saunders is for, right?
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I have always maintained that this is a sign that big mck and the boys are not sold on palmer, but they view him a s a suitable place holder until they can get the qb that fits their model. allowing for plamer to prove that he can be more than a stop gap and allows the raiders to get thier own up close look at him. Plus he is the most experienced of our current crop and makes the most since for the time being
August 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
583.Silverandblack666 Says:
Be patient it takes a couple of years of study to really get a grip on how the market moves.
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I sought a multitude of wise conselers and sat down with some bigwigs who wanted my hard earned money back in 98. First time I ever had money and I wanted it to grow but i did not want to lose it.
One common theme was “put your money to work for you” and “always use OPM when the borrowing cost is right.” which meant always use OPM if possible.
I bucked the trend but more important then that is what I did not do. I did not let drugs and gambling and alcohol or women or fancy cars steal my money.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Yeah I have to admit as a Palmer supporter he is sucking ass right now.
Not looking good at all and not comfortable in this offense I thought he looked more comfortable in Hue’s offense than the Knapp crap we are running now.
But you cant blame the scheme for everything at some point he is a professional and should be able to adapt.
He does look confused which is not good.
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Relax. Have a cheeseburger. If Palmer still has those numbers once the regular season starts, I’ll worry. Until then, stats in meaningless games with fourth-string running backs and a revolving door of o-linemen and wideouts mean squat.
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to be fair it is still too soon to write him off learning a new offense, however he is definitely trending down going back to cincy.
he has some work to do to get up to decent stop gap staus
August 20th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
“The commitment is the key. Unless you’re able to treat day trading like a full-time job with the requisite level of mental focus, you’ll probably lose your shirt and would be better off sticking with mutual funds.”
Great point Duck!
There is no such thing as a successful part time trader!
August 20th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
TxRaider210 I trade all day everyday but its a high energy lifestyle to be a FOREX trader you must keep your finger on the pulse at all times.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hell yeah. I was losing sleep and getting stressed over an oanda account that was for practice (school project). lol
August 20th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
TxRaider210 I trade all day everyday but its a high energy lifestyle to be a FOREX trader you must keep your finger on the pulse at all times.
If you are just looking for ways to make extra money Raider O might be right I am not sure exactly what he is doing but he seems to have a pretty good understanding of the car market.
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Yeah man, looks like something I need to get involved with in the future, the setting just isn’t right for me yet. I may have to stick with something that plays to my strengths in the meantime.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I am a trader but mostly I am in the FOREX I do have an E-Trade account for stocks. I found them to be very fast as Big Banana said you can use them as a bank so bank to bank transfers happen fast.
If you were going to trade the FOREX I would highly recommend Oanda as they are a highly rated Swiss Bank and have the lowest spreads I have ever seen.
I am looking to start a networking group of day traders to share ideas with I have been trying to do this for a while now.
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Cool. I’ve traded FOREX for a couple of years…Once you get the hang of it, it is fun and addictive!
August 20th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
“I sought a multitude of wise conselers and sat down with some bigwigs who wanted my hard earned money back in 98. First time I ever had money and I wanted it to grow but i did not want to lose it.
One common theme was “put your money to work for you” and “always use OPM when the borrowing cost is right.” which meant always use OPM if possible.
I bucked the trend but more important then that is what I did not do. I did not let drugs and gambling and alcohol or women or fancy cars steal my money.”
There is a lot of opinions out there on how to invest. And not to sound cliche but there is one that is right for you.
It sure does make more sense to watch your money grow at 15%-20% in a mutual fund rather than 6% in a CD.
I myself do not follow some of the sound investment rules as I put almost everything into my FOREX account, because I scalp, I need a large margin to get reasonable profits daily. But I do like some long term stocks for investing like CAT, Walmart, JP Morgan, I have some of those but not a as much as I should.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
“Hell yeah. I was losing sleep and getting stressed over an oanda account that was for practice (school project).”
I use Oanda they are Swiss and heavily regulated, very trustworthy. Good to hear that other folks know about Oanda.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
“Cool. I’ve traded FOREX for a couple of years…Once you get the hang of it, it is fun and addictive!”
I am truly an addict when it comes to the FOREX!
I know what you speak of.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
You guys have been very helpful, started a practice Zecco and Oanda today to goof around a bit.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Re Carson and the WCO:
Look at it from Reggie’s point of view.
You finally the GM job you always wanted with the organization you wanted it with, replacing someone you almost viewed as a father. Everything is broken down and decrepit, but the new owner has given you total control to remake everything and is willing to spend the money to do it.
The previous owner drove off numerous HC candidates through his micromanaging ways. You publicly vow that you will let the new coach run the team his own way.
You find an awesome HC who’s almost another you. He wants to install the WCO because he feels that provides the best chance for success.
HOWEVER: Your quarterback (who the previous HC way overpaid for) has experience some success, but none in this system. You have no high draft picks or cap money to get another one. This new QB has had some pretty good years and claims to be able to pick up the WCO.
What other option do you have for this year other than taking your QB at his word and hoping he can play in this system?
August 20th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
“Cool. I’ve traded FOREX for a couple of years…Once you get the hang of it, it is fun and addictive!”
I am truly an addict when it comes to the FOREX!
I know what you speak of.
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For me the hardest thing to master was managing my emotions…Sometimes in trading, YOU can be your own worst enemy!
August 20th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
KICKIN’ IT LIVE WITH A FUNKY FRESH TAN
Yo Nerds, the Beeech Diggity is back in town after a Rasta Ganja BLOWOUT Party Weekend in San Diego
You know I got the Beeeech Lawg serviced by a few wasted SDSU hizzies, holla
Yo, we turned the jamz OUT, pretty sure we impressed all the industry folks in the crowd. Should be signing new contracts by Wed, whut whut
After the show we all rocked the all-you-can-eat salad bar and got down with some seasoned croutons
Can’t believe I went through a whole case of Magnums, guess that’s why they call it the blues
HIGH FIVIN’ AND FRESH JIVIN’
August 20th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I keep hearing this, then I watch RB’s run right through it…and with our non-stellar LB crew, does this get any better in 2012?
“The Oakland Raiders might have the most underrated defensive line in the NFL. Against the Arizona Cardinals, the D-line racked up three of the team’s four sacks while also collecting a safety, courtesy of defensive lineman Tommy Kelly. The interior combination of Kelly and Richard Seymour might be the best in the entire league.”
By Daniel Jeremiah
Analyst, NFL.com and NFL Network
http://goo.gl/EiBzl
August 20th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
“The Big Banana Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Silver – been thinking about getting into commodities but I do stocks.”
The nice thing about commodities is that you can trade globally so at 8PM in the evening you can do trades like the FOREX.
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Hmm, I will definitely need to look into this. FOREX has interested me. Which currency pairs do you prefer?
August 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“For me the hardest thing to master was managing my emotions…Sometimes in trading, YOU can be your own worst enemy!”
You are 100% right and that is the first thing you need to deal with when learning how to trade EMOTION!
August 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
“Cool. I’ve traded FOREX for a couple of years…Once you get the hang of it, it is fun and addictive!”
I am truly an addict when it comes to the FOREX!
I know what you speak of.
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For me the hardest thing to master was managing my emotions…Sometimes in trading, YOU can be your own worst enemy!
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This is true. Know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Leave your ego behind and don’t be stubborn.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
“Hmm, I will definitely need to look into this. FOREX has interested me. Which currency pairs do you prefer?”
I trade the AUD/JPY pair only.
I do watch the EUR/USD because its so popular and so much is reported on that pair.
The reason I started trading the AUD/JPY pair was because when you get off work at 5PM PST its 8AM in Tokyo and Sydney. That pair moves the most from 5PM to 9PM every evening here California time.
Get a practice account with Oanda and play with it for a few months I would be more than happy to share some of my trading strategies with you.
August 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“For me the hardest thing to master was managing my emotions…Sometimes in trading, YOU can be your own worst enemy!”
You are 100% right and that is the first thing you need to deal with when learning how to trade EMOTION!
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Ha! True. Like shorting Facebook. Saw that one coming.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Thanks, Silver. I may just do that!
August 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
“Ha! True. Like shorting Facebook. Saw that one coming.”
Yeah it was below $19 this morning a lot of annalists say it will go down to $16.
Whats so funny is how everyone is so excited about that stock because they use Facebook so much.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Waddup Nation
Rack ‘em
August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Seems like the young’n Russell Wilson is opening eyes around the league everywhere…though he’s a seattle seagull, I’m proud of the guy. Been a big fan of his ever since he stepped in to play his first year at NC St. Would love to see Flynn beat him out for the job and big Mack somehow get the Seagulls to trade him to us!
August 20th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
The Big Banana Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
This is true. Know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Leave your ego behind and don’t be stubborn.
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Yes. FEAR and GREED dictate the market. If you can control your own fear and greed, once you develop a good strategy, you can be successful in Forex!
And pay attention to the news aka the FUNDAMENTAL ANALYSIS for long term or swing trading! Bloomberg TV is excellent for keeping tabs on developments in the international financial markets!
August 20th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
“Ha! True. Like shorting Facebook. Saw that one coming.”
Yeah it was below $19 this morning a lot of annalists say it will go down to $16.
Whats so funny is how everyone is so excited about that stock because they use Facebook so much.
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People amaze me. I mean I consider myself an amateur but sheesh.
Then again, I appreciate that these folks are out there. Makes it easier for you and I to cash in.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Thanks Armchair
August 20th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Yo, just got a call from one of the industry reps who was drooling over Rasta Ganja on Sat night
He books all the big clubs, faxing over contracts right now, holla
Yo, just lit a phat spliff to celebrate our amazing success.
Even more amazing that the band forgot the last 5 songs in the set, so we just cued up some Simply Red and lip synched our way to cash $
TAKIN’ HOLLYWOOD BACK TO THE HILLZ
August 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Seems like the young’n Russell Wilson is opening eyes around the league everywhere…though he’s a seattle seagull, I’m proud of the guy. Been a big fan of his ever since he stepped in to play his first year at NC St. Would love to see Flynn beat him out for the job and big Mack somehow get the Seagulls to trade him to us!
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agreed
August 20th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Practice time?
August 20th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Couldnt we have had willson if al didnt waste our pick on tp?
August 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Practice time?
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Don’t think there is one today.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Pssssh.. we need more practice..
August 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Couldnt we have had willson if al didnt waste our pick on tp?
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Very possibly. If you’d like to go down to the Chapel of Chimes and yell at his entombed coffin until Security throws you out, be my guest.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Practice Tue, Wed, Thur,…..Break camp, back to Alemeda Fri….Game Sat.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
650.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Seems like the young’n Russell Wilson is opening eyes around the league everywhere…though he’s a seattle seagull, I’m proud of the guy. Been a big fan of his ever since he stepped in to play his first year at NC St. Would love to see Flynn beat him out for the job and big Mack somehow get the Seagulls to trade him to us!
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agreed
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The guy is only like 5′10..which is one of the “knocks” on him, but if he can move the ball? Why not.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
655.RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Couldnt we have had willson if al didnt waste our pick on tp?
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Very possibly. If you’d like to go down to the Chapel of Chimes and yell at his entombed coffin until Security throws you out, be my guest.
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I think Al faked his death.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Pssssh.. we need more practice..
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CBA says we can’t today.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
651.Marks hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Practice time?
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No practice today. Day off.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Why are laughing? You want our QB to fail? Maybe he isn’t YOUR QB I guess.
I fail to see the humor with the Raiders QB having bad stats unless it makes you happier to be right about about a debate than the Raiders being successful.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Im not sure about the new practice lite cba.. seems weak.. but we all of a sudden seem to be able to tackle.. so..wtf i guess ..
August 20th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I think it is wrong as many posters claim that “it’s just preseason, and nothing counts.”
Raiders preseason last year was flummoxed by huge runs and catches allowed by the defensive. All Hue could say, “that’s what the preseason is for, to expose weaknesses. We have certain weaknesses in our defense and we will fix them.”
CP’s implosion, our WR’s and RBs malingering over “strained hammies”, terminal fumblitis, and lack of CB’s is a bad thing.
Now we have posters saying that if we go 0/3 and 0/4 in the regular season, then we’ll know we have real problems.
If we go 0/4 in the regular season, our season will be finished.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Palmer has played what amounts to a little bit more than ONE HALF football.
I don’t know. Has any other QB’s in the league ever had a bad first half in the preseason?
Someone help me with this.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Have instead of “has” (correct grammar). My apologies.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
663.. ding ding ding!!
August 20th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Blackside,
Last yr. almost EVERY flaw we saw in preseason translated to reg. season. That’s true.
I think the D looks much better and the offense can be fixed. I hope.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
shlt I missed 666
August 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
657.DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
650.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Seems like the young’n Russell Wilson is opening eyes around the league everywhere…though he’s a seattle seagull, I’m proud of the guy. Been a big fan of his ever since he stepped in to play his first year at NC St. Would love to see Flynn beat him out for the job and big Mack somehow get the Seagulls to trade him to us!
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agreed
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The guy is only like 5′10..which is one of the “knocks” on him, but if he can move the ball? Why not.
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I wonder if carrol would take Jones & Barksdale for Wilson; had reggie had the 2nd round pick we traded for him, we might have been able to draft him;
I wonder if we offered him Palmer, had we not given up our 1st this year (2nd next year); we definately could have drafted him moved back even.
Palmer, Jones, & Barksdale all of you need to step up you are being out-played by him so far this preseason.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
“I don’t know. Has any other QB’s in the league ever had a bad first half in the preseason?
Someone help me with this.”
Right now Peyton Manning is having a similar preseason to Palmer and they are both in new offenses so that may play part in it.
I know Manning has 3 INTs thus far.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Detroit game doesn’t matter, seattle doesn’t matter; Raiders defeating San Diego matters and counts!
August 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
It’s tough to evaluate the defense after just 2 games.. The offenses we played were bad up front.. And most of our pressure came from blitz is that most teams don’t expect to see in the preseason..
August 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Blitzs’s… not blitz is
August 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
It’s tough to evaluate the defense after just 2 games.. The offenses we played were bad up front.. And most of our pressure came from blitz is that most teams don’t expect to see in the preseason..
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Our defense looks worlds better. Not just the blitzing, but I’m seeing a huge reduction in those huge gaps that let running backs have their way with us last year.
August 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Our d always wore down last yr.. yrs.. and id cp3 wants to be a turnover machine, the d will wear down again..
August 20th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Why are laughing? You want our QB to fail? Maybe he isn’t YOUR QB I guess.
I fail to see the humor with the Raiders QB having bad stats unless it makes you happier to be right about about a debate than the Raiders being successful.
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not at all, and there is no need to color me that way. Im laughing in response to another poster that has a history with me here, in particular on qbs. he embarrassed himself and it was funny.
No i think the palmer deal is sad, not at all funny.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
“I don’t know. Has any other QB’s in the league ever had a bad first half in the preseason?
Someone help me with this.”
Right now Peyton Manning is having a similar preseason to Palmer and they are both in new offenses so that may play part in it.
I know Manning has 3 INTs thus far.
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the difference is manning is light years better than palmer. there is legitimate reason to beleive manning will correct his issues, based on the way he has played over the recent history. He has been one of the most prolific qbs in the history of football and a superbowl winner.
Palmer? Not nearly the same career or calibur of player. Palmers recent career going back to cincy isnt looking good, so he does not inspire the same confidence.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
657.DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
650.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Seems like the young’n Russell Wilson is opening eyes around the league everywhere…though he’s a seattle seagull, I’m proud of the guy. Been a big fan of his ever since he stepped in to play his first year at NC St. Would love to see Flynn beat him out for the job and big Mack somehow get the Seagulls to trade him to us!
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agreed
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The guy is only like 5′10..which is one of the “knocks” on him, but if he can move the ball? Why not.
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I wonder if carrol would take Jones & Barksdale for Wilson; had reggie had the 2nd round pick we traded for him, we might have been able to draft him;
I wonder if we offered him Palmer, had we not given up our 1st this year (2nd next year); we definately could have drafted him moved back even.
Palmer, Jones, & Barksdale all of you need to step up you are being out-played by him so far this preseason.
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Yea; I’m really hoping for a much better showing this weekend by the first team O. Watching that last game had me eerily thinking I was watching an old Detroit game where Barry Sanders (D.McFadden) was EASILY the best player on the field but it didn’t matter because the rest of the O was executing so poorly…. At least Chekwa has me feeling a little better about our young corners (DVD – no comment….)
August 20th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I think dvd has looked good in practice because knapp is predictable..
August 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
You wanna know why the Orlando Magic deserve the “Farm Team of the Year” award?
For delivering a polished Hall of Fame center just entering his prime to the Purple N Gold just in time for the season.
Speaking of my new Rasta Ganja hit jam “Smoking Hella Spliffs”, I should have some lyrics ready to unleash on the blog any minute
Right after I finish watching the premier of Married to Jonas, holla
August 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
581.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Palmer is the least of the Raiders worries.
Let’s see TE, backup RB, Wideout depth, CB…
Now those are troublesome situations.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
If DMC goes down…the offense is in big trouble this year.
McK should sign Ryan Grant!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
There’s been a lot of talk about roster depth, scheme, and qb play and as those should be a bit concerning.
But what do ya’ll expect for the Monday night opener?
IMO, with the state that SD’s oline is in and how our Dline is playing, i would expect us to win that game. Starts with the big uglies and i expect them all to be fired up.
Of course Run DMC will get his long gains, but i really think the Dline will harrass Rivers all night.
Palmer has to be on his game. Any turnovers will be crucial to having a rested D towards the end of the game.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
581.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Palmer is the least of the Raiders worries.
Let’s see TE, backup RB, Wideout depth, CB…
Now those are troublesome situations.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
If DMC goes down…the offense is in big trouble this year.
McK should sign Ryan Grant!
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Am surprised Ryan Grant hasn’t already been signed by us once Goodson gave us the first scare…am thinking Big Mack knows something about Grant’s health that most don’t
August 20th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
The offense needs to start focusing more as well as Knapp and his play calling.
Get their heads out their azzes and start having fun and score TD’s.
If DMC is out for an extended period of time. The offense is in deep trouble.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
We must hire an exorcist to expel AD’s ghost, the mal-intent and bad vapors.
Because our defense may be set to have a good season playing in a way that was counter to AD’s schemes, he has now cursed our offense.
AD, from the grave is rolling over again and again, with the idea that the Raiders have moved forward without him, which is a simple projection from the past 10 yrs where AD would fire anyone who might possibly outshine him.
Everyone important is down with an aching “hammy”, has fumbilitis, or has a head spinning 360′ like the girl in the “Exorcist”, namely Carson Palmer.
I say call up the Vatican and get someone down here, now!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
683.SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
581.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Palmer is the least of the Raiders worries.
Let’s see TE, backup RB, Wideout depth, CB…
Now those are troublesome situations.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
If DMC goes down…the offense is in big trouble this year.
McK should sign Ryan Grant!
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Am surprised Ryan Grant hasn’t already been signed by us once Goodson gave us the first scare…am thinking Big Mack knows something about Grant’s health that most don’t
^^^^^^^^
Yeah, that could be it.
Hope McK grabs some RB off of GB, Houston or Saints depth chart.
What about Chris Ivory?
August 20th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
What up smellas??
Saturday we FINALLY get to see what we got.
I am stoked and really excited to see how the pass D holds up against a very good offense(Detroit? I know, who would have thunk it?).
Not at all worried about the offense except for potential injuries.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
“the difference is manning is light years better than palmer. there is legitimate reason to beleive manning will correct his issues, based on the way he has played over the recent history. He has been one of the most prolific qbs in the history of football and a superbowl winner.”
Yeah I get that Mystic1 but there is another way to look at it (Glass half full) if an all time great like Manning is struggling this preseason in a new offense then maybe we are being too hard on Palmer this early.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
@ DKnight – I’m hoping we land someone here within this next week and a half. Maybe we can trade for that Mike Bush guy! I’d feel a lot better if someone like him were here! Lol …. had to let my daily Univ. of Louisville fan-hood frustration out
August 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Palmer is a bit off target, just like the other team’s QB’s in the division. I’d expect him to come out gunnin’ against the Lions. Great test for our secondary.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Why did we trade Murphy most teams in the NFL wait until the start of the season in case of injuries.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Knight,
Ivory under contract. We got no money.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Yo, Sat night I’ll be chillin at the Beeech Pad watching the Raiders and letting some hizzys polish my pole
Then we’ll probably watch a little LOL, the new Mylie Cyrus flick. Chick can straight up ACT
I’d probably do her in the side door, but I’d first have to be hella high on paint thinner
August 20th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
691
Murphy has already been injured in Carolina I think, the cuts haven’t happened yet so I’m optimistic.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Uh, have fun with that Beeech.
Still think you guys should open for Steel Panther!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Palmer needs to start looking off the safety more and doing more pump fakes.
He did plenty of pump fakes last year. I haven’t seen him do nay these preseason.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Tx,
Should be fun watching Branch and Pettigrew go at it.
Megatron and whoever, not so fun!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
696
Agreed, all I can think is that CP is challenging himself and we see more pump fakes in real games..
August 20th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Don’t ever say you’re a Raiders fan.
Getting that much satisfaction in our starting qb struggling, during preseason?
Just to win a childish immature argument?
Get your azz back across the bay, you phony 49er fan.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
697
Megatron will have his hands full with Bartell, I think dude will come to play this weekend.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Palmer is a bit off target, just like the other team’s QB’s in the division. I’d expect him to come out gunnin’ against the Lions. Great test for our secondary.
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TX,
Sorry to say that the only thing that will come out “gunnin” will be the Lions “D” to readjust Palmers’ head out of his azz, where it is at this moment.
I watched Detroit v. Ravens Friday night and honestly, I wouldn’t want to be playing for the Raiders Saturday.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
No way, after the weekend Rasta Ganja had in San Diego, we’ve officially reached headliner status
Check out these lyrics, you’ll see why -
Hey Mon, you know my dreadlocks be nappy
Still out of work, old fool Krappy?
Girl take a sip of this funky egg nog
Dats right, you just sampled my magic Beeeech Lawg
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Lion’s D has a bunch of guys who may play, but will be facing suspension regular season. Look for the Raiders to use DMAC and Reece to run the rock.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
the difference is manning is light years better than palmer.
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See there is where you go off track. Palmer was actually as good or better than Manning his lst 5 years in the league. Then what happened? The Irsays got some talent around Manning particularly on the Oline and the receiving corp. Do you know how many Pro Bowlers Mike Brown of Cinncy got for Palmer? Better not to ask.
Some knuckleheads in here a day ago said the second they got rid of Palmer the Bungholes went to the playoffs so therefor Andy Dalton is a player and Carson Palmer sucks. What that turd forgot to mention was The Bungholes had one of the worst defenses in the league while Palmer was there. That’s why Palmer was an overall one. Now they have one of the better defenses. Do you think that makes a difference as far as wins and losses?
August 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Jesus 703, that’s like chumming the waters and raising a huge troll flag!
You’re screwed! And F#$K the 49ers!!!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Nice fantasy, but there is no “Rasta Ganja” and there was no Rasta Ganja in SD last weekend, or ever.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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As well as a Raider fan! lmao Well I’m a fan of every team, so I’m always spot on.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I’m really hoping we pass the hell out of the ball this week. We know we can run it, what we don’t know is if the pass protection and qb/wr chemistry is ready yet.
Take off the training wheels Knapp.
Go Raiders!!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Brahs, check out this intriguing synopsis of LOL from Rotten Tomatoes
Then just TRY to tell me Saturday night is not going to completely rock
An authentic story that perfectly captures coming of age in today’s digital world. Starting a new year of high school, Lola (Miley Cyrus), (or “Lol,” as her friends call her), works to find the right balance between family, school, friends and romance. Broken-hearted by her ex, Lol’s world is soon turned upside down when she is surprised to find her best friend, Kyle (Douglas Booth), a musician in an up and coming rock band, could possibly be the love of her life. In her quest towards independence, self-identity and young adulthood, Lol discovers that while Facebook “status” is easy to change; true relationships are worth the effort
August 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Jesus 703, that’s like chumming the waters and raising a huge troll flag!
You’re screwed! And F#$K the 49ers!!!!!
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Sorry man, lol. I am a Raiders fan first. Just like I can’t go without my gf for long, I can’t go without a winning football team. Better to take the 9′ers than a tramp off the street, especially in light of the fact that the Raiders have done nothing for 10 yrs.
A guy can only wait so long!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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As well as a Raider fan! lmao Well I’m a fan of every team, so I’m always spot on.
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LMAO. Yeah I am sure that “fan” was standing in the pouring rain in the stick in 04 when the Whiners won two games. He was probably a Dallas fan that year.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Knight,
Ivory under contract. We got no money.
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We got plenty money. Reggie’s sitting on 7mil.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Go Whiners blackandsilverside! Oh, hold on, how’s Pittsburgh going to be this year? Hey Denver has Manning. Go New England, they are always in the hunt!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Does the Nation only root for the Raiders? I do.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
711,
I have no idea what you are talking about. I was raised to follow only one team in every sport, good or bad. That’s what makes you a team fan. You sound like a football fan. Not the same.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
____________________________
Does not compute.
Do you realize the franchise win/loss is almost equal between the teams?
August 20th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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Wasn’t my point.
Stated Mistic was no way in hell a Raider fan.
And what you meant to say is you are a bandwagon fan. No way anyone is a 49er AND a Raider fan.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Ima place a small bet on each team to win the SB, bound to get some feel-good.lol
August 20th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
____________________________
Does not compute.
Do you realize the franchise win/loss is almost equal between the teams?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yeah I know, SF sucked for ages after the Walsh/Seifert era came to an end. But the 49′ers have winning lately.
Just can’t stand to wait!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Sorry man, lol. I am a Raiders fan first. Just like I can’t go without my gf for long, I can’t go without a winning football team. Better to take the 9′ers than a tramp off the street, especially in light of the fact that the Raiders have done nothing for 10 yrs.
A guy can only wait so long!
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Uhmmmmmmmm…..Which team has more recently been in a Super Bowl? That’s right the Raiders
August 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
19.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
But we got better today…right Coaches?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Yeah Right….drink some more of the NAPA VALLEY and keep lying to yourselves….
We know you read this BLOG…crap…you answer questions that aren’t even asked of you….
It’s only pre season and our staff is already feeling the HEAT….
Guess what Coaches (& GM) this BLOG is just warming up….?
We were here before you were and we will be here after YOU ARE GONE!
^^^^^^^^
Exactly!
Knapp and crappy play calling on offense is officially on WATCH by the Raider Nation!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan
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You can stop right there. Nothing more needs to be said.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Tx,
I so hope your are right about Bartell. Based on size he is really our only CB that can potentially body Calvin. Even at that he’s giving up like 5 inches and 30lbs.!! That dude is scary big and scary good.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RaiderRob,
I knew your point with Mystic; I am just saying I am a fan of both clubs.
It’s like having two gf’s at once. Of course I like the Raiders better, but SF is real nice too!
August 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
724
Yeah man he’s the best option, a big and mean veteran who’s gone against Fitz a lot in his career. He should still have help over the top, just like any other DB against mega.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Does the Nation only root for the Raiders? I do.
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And anyone playing the Whiners.
August 20th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Peymour Gelnn also likes the Clev Browns but most of us have just 1 team.
S & B
August 20th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RaiderRob,
I knew your point with Mystic; I am just saying I am a fan of both clubs.
It’s like having two gf’s at once. Of course I like the Raiders better, but SF is real nice too!
————–
The only thing lamer than this tool is Mylie Cyrus on the rag
MAJOR BUZZKILL (for my weiner)
August 20th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
beech,
i think miley cyrus is sexy.I would love to bend her over and do a line of bath salts out of the crack of her azz
August 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
726,
What’s ridiculous is that if Calvin puts up 100yds and a TD alot of scrubs in here will want Tarver fired, Bartell/Spencer/Huff/DVD/Chikwa cut and put the rest of the blame somehow on Palmer.
Weird ‘fan’ base in here.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
###################
Don’t ever say you’re a Raiders fan.
Getting that much satisfaction in our starting qb struggling, during preseason?
Just to win a childish immature argument?
Get your azz back across the bay, you phony 49er fan.
=================
Bra you dont no me from a can of paint. born in raised in east oakland, from a family of raider fans 3 generations deep.
I didnt get any satisfaction out of palmers strugles. I got a great deal of satisfaction from backing up my point in conversation with another poster though.
Im not sure why you are jumping in my mix, but make sure you know what your talking about. Or you will just look foolish in the end
August 20th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Peymour Gelnn also likes the Clev Browns but most of us have just 1 team.
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Jamista Clown!!! What it do? What happened, your blow up doll run out on you again?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
731
Mega is the one guy this unit has to control, I think they have the fire to contain him, at best.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RaiderRob,
I knew your point with Mystic; I am just saying I am a fan of both clubs.
It’s like having two gf’s at once. Of course I like the Raiders better, but SF is real nice too!
===============
So what I gather is you are new to football, as well as being new to this board.
Again, see the bandwagon comment.
Honestly, it’s the worst of the worst kind of fan.
You want to back a winner, so you jumped on the 49er bandwagon last year.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
In all seriousness Jamista, are you going make your yearly prediction about how your Cleveland Browns are going to run away with the division? hahahahahahaha
August 20th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
the difference is manning is light years better than palmer.
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See there is where you go off track. Palmer was actually as good or better than Manning his lst 5 years in the league. Then what happened? The Irsays got some talent around Manning particularly on the Oline and the receiving corp. Do you know how many Pro Bowlers Mike Brown of Cinncy got for Palmer? Better not to ask.
Some knuckleheads in here a day ago said the second they got rid of Palmer the Bungholes went to the playoffs so therefor Andy Dalton is a player and Carson Palmer sucks. What that turd forgot to mention was The Bungholes had one of the worst defenses in the league while Palmer was there. That’s why Palmer was an overall one. Now they have one of the better defenses. Do you think that makes a difference as far as wins and losses?
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Not exactly, plamer played with some good defenses in cincy, and they also had a few years with bad defense. he was surrounded by wr talent and 1000 yard rushers. No need to make excuses for his inconsistent play.
While you contend palmer “was as good as manning for thier 1st 5 years” ( i thik that is debatable), they have certainly gone in different directions the last few years, and there is no longer any validity to the comparison if there ever was any.
It does us no good trying to compare manning over the last 3-4 years to the ghost of plamers probowl pass.
This is make believe fantasy land and the nfl is a bottom line business. heart warming memories are not valued.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
I got a great deal of satisfaction from backing up my point in conversation with another poster though.
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It is what it is. You get satisfaction out of being right. I’d rather my team play well than be right about calling out a certain player. And yet you have the nerve to call others impostors. Get a load of you.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
MM34 needs to drop the hat on Calvin, might just be the way to shake a big dude like that.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Here’s a jam I started working on while dropping a serious duece
Coincidentally, I was able to push out the duece at the exact same second I squeezed out these lyrics
It’s called “Miley Cyrus Loves the Beeech Dawg, Mon”, and it’s about how I get all up in her Daisy Dukes while she’s thinking I’m her new boyfriend
Miley, come here baby doll, you know what I mean
Now touch the Beeech Lawg and slide off them jeans
Yo, you’d look hot with a huge boob job
But whatevs, ho – just start slobbin’ my nob
1 WAY TICKET TO BEEEECH VILLE
Yo
August 20th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
How you can be a fan of both the Niners and Raiders is a mystery.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
###################
Don’t ever say you’re a Raiders fan.
Getting that much satisfaction in our starting qb struggling, during preseason?
Just to win a childish immature argument?
Get your azz back across the bay, you phony 49er fan.
=================
Bra you dont no me from a can of paint. born in raised in east oakland, from a family of raider fans 3 generations deep.
I didnt get any satisfaction out of palmers strugles. I got a great deal of satisfaction from backing up my point in conversation with another poster though.
Im not sure why you are jumping in my mix, but make sure you know what your talking about. Or you will just look foolish in the end
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Are you slow?
You got great deal of satisfaction, OBVIOUSLY, with Palmers play, so you could WIN A CHILDISH ARGUMENT.
I don’t care where you were born.
I don’t care if your family are fans, or not.
Point is, like it or not, you have made it clear you would rather the Raiders suck, just so you can post your juvenile “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
Like it or not, the “just look foolish in the end” was claimed by you with your silly comment.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Over/under Slowlando hurt Calvin?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
The Big Banana Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
I got a great deal of satisfaction from backing up my point in conversation with another poster though.
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It is what it is. You get satisfaction out of being right. I’d rather my team play well than be right about calling out a certain player. And yet you have the nerve to call others impostors. Get a load of you.
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beating down imposters, the same way i hammered you and others over the last couple of years is very satisfying.
This has no bearing on my pain when the team loses.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
703..WTF?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Not exactly, plamer played with some good defenses in cincy, and they also had a few years with bad defense. he was surrounded by wr talent and 1000 yard rushers. No need to make excuses for his inconsistent play.
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huh? The main players for Palmers offense in 09 were Cedric Benson and Ocho Stinko. Now a couple of years later both of them can barely get a sniff in the league. Manning had Edgerin, Pro Bowler Dallas Clark, Future HOF Marvin Harrison, Pro Bowler Reggie Wayne, Pro Bowler jeff Saturday, and lets not even talk about Freeny, Mathis and Bob Sanders in his prime on Defense. Name all of Palmers Pro Bowlers and future HOF teammates.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Merriman just got cut pick him up now we need depth at LB
August 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
are you seriously making excuses for tarver already? Never thought id see the day that raider fans just gave up…eff that give the man anelbow to the gut, routt wouldve done it.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Man Jamista Clown must have just run to his mommy. The one who taught him to love the browns.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
After further review, someone has been smelling either bath salts, or Miley’s bunghole:(
August 20th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
are you seriously making excuses for tarver already? Never thought id see the day that raider fans just gave up…eff that give the man anelbow to the gut, routt wouldve done it.
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Who’s making excuses for Tarver? Not me. I think our defense will kick butt this year.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Lol. Nothing spells loser quite like someone that claims to beat people down over the interwebs.
Keep displaying your sign proudly, Mistic.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Merriam is DONE…
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
After further review, someone has been smelling either bath salts, or Miley’s bunghole:(
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who’s the lucky guy?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Tarver was a Russian spy and will conduct each game like a robbery.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
###################
Don’t ever say you’re a Raiders fan.
Getting that much satisfaction in our starting qb struggling, during preseason?
Just to win a childish immature argument?
Get your azz back across the bay, you phony 49er fan.
=================
Bra you dont no me from a can of paint. born in raised in east oakland, from a family of raider fans 3 generations deep.
I didnt get any satisfaction out of palmers strugles. I got a great deal of satisfaction from backing up my point in conversation with another poster though.
Im not sure why you are jumping in my mix, but make sure you know what your talking about. Or you will just look foolish in the end
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Are you slow?
You got great deal of satisfaction, OBVIOUSLY, with Palmers play, so you could WIN A CHILDISH ARGUMENT.
I don’t care where you were born.
I don’t care if your family are fans, or not.
Point is, like it or not, you have made it clear you would rather the Raiders suck, just so you can post your juvenile “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
Like it or not, the “just look foolish in the end” was claimed by you with your silly comment.
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1. I couldnt give 2 squirts of pizz about who you think i root for.
2. You cant tell me what satisfies me and doesnt. You had a theory or belief, im telling you it was incorrect. we are going back and fourth but it is an unfounded accusation on your part
3. i have never wanted my team to suck. I did however voice my displeasure when palmer was signed because i didnt thin he was very good.Offering evidence to back up my position does not equate to wanting my team to suck, no matter how badly you wish it did. Insisting on this to protect you feelings for a player the way you are in this case, is indeed much more “childish” than anything i have posted.
Now get off my nuts, you are looking foolish
August 20th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
bunk moorland Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
After further review, someone has been smelling either bath salts, or Miley’s bunghole:(
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who’s the lucky guy?
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And……the winner issssss…..Bunk! enjoy the Cyrus!lol
August 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
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ford had two easy drops and dhb missed easy td. your stats dont tell the whole story
August 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Not exactly, plamer played with some good defenses in cincy, and they also had a few years with bad defense. he was surrounded by wr talent and 1000 yard rushers. No need to make excuses for his inconsistent play.
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huh? The main players for Palmers offense in 09 were Cedric Benson and Ocho Stinko. Now a couple of years later both of them can barely get a sniff in the league. Manning had Edgerin, Pro Bowler Dallas Clark, Future HOF Marvin Harrison, Pro Bowler Reggie Wayne, Pro Bowler jeff Saturday, and lets not even talk about Freeny, Mathis and Bob Sanders in his prime on Defense. Name all of Palmers Pro Bowlers and future HOF teammates.
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09? Your argument wasnt about only 09 was it? besides benson and rudy johnson both rushed for 1000 yards while in cincy, t.o chad johnson and tj in their primes were all probowl payers.
What are you saying? palmer has been surrounded with offensive fire power for his entire career, he failed to capitalize. too busy being a diva trying to get coaches fired pouting and planing to renege on his contractual commitments and team mates.
he doesnt need anyone’s excuses
August 20th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Manning has looked worse than Palmer, and Denver’s D will struggle, Raider’s have a shot this year!
August 20th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Not exactly, plamer played with some good defenses in cincy, and they also had a few years with bad defense. he was surrounded by wr talent and 1000 yard rushers. No need to make excuses for his inconsistent play.
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huh? The main players for Palmers offense in 09 were Cedric Benson and Ocho Stinko. Now a couple of years later both of them can barely get a sniff in the league. Manning had Edgerin, Pro Bowler Dallas Clark, Future HOF Marvin Harrison, Pro Bowler Reggie Wayne, Pro Bowler jeff Saturday, and lets not even talk about Freeny, Mathis and Bob Sanders in his prime on Defense. Name all of Palmers Pro Bowlers and future HOF teammates.
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Even if he was as good as you make him sound in cincy, he is not any where near that today, nor was he last year.
The past means nothing in football. as of now he is stinking out loud.
lets hope he can pull it together or we will be looking at a very long rebuilding season
August 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
bunk moorland Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
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ford had two easy drops and dhb missed easy td. your stats dont tell the whole story
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i didnt include the near completions, nor did i include the near int. Im only looking at what actually has happened, not the what ifs
August 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
09? Your argument wasnt about only 09 was it?
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No my argument was about their careers. In 09 Palmer had no one and still went to the playoffs. Manning has had TONS of excellent players around him. I keep asking you, who has Palmer had around him? Ocho Stinko? You saw what happened when he went to another franchise. He gets cut.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
WR’s other than Streater have been sub-par, I look for that to improve very soon.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
wow, some idiot just compared c.johnson and T. J. Houshmandzadeh to marvin harrison and reggie wayne
August 20th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
The only thing that smells better than Miley’s bung hole is a thousand butterflies covered in honey sipping a giant margarita with one straw
It’d take a group of Marines and their parents to pull me off that tantalizing starfish
You know I’m keeping it real
August 20th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
bunk moorland Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
This is the very definition of floundering, peep this stat line THROUGH TWO WEEKS!
Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
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ford had two easy drops and dhb missed easy td. your stats dont tell the whole story
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i didnt include the near completions, nor did i include the near int. Im only looking at what actually has happened, not the what ifs
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simple question for you, was it carson palmers fault that ford dropped two passes and dhb dropped touchdown?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
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1. I couldnt give 2 squirts of pizz about who you think i root for.
2. You cant tell me what satisfies me and doesnt. You had a theory or belief, im telling you it was incorrect. we are going back and fourth but it is an unfounded accusation on your part
3. i have never wanted my team to suck. I did however voice my displeasure when palmer was signed because i didnt thin he was very good.Offering evidence to back up my position does not equate to wanting my team to suck, no matter how badly you wish it did. Insisting on this to protect you feelings for a player the way you are in this case, is indeed much more “childish” than anything i have posted.
Now get off my nuts, you are looking foolish
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Sorry, but when you are called out for a foolish comment, replying “you look foolish” is weak and pathetic.
YOUR WORDS: “Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
Besides looking the fool, you’re acting the fool.
YOU’RE CELEBRATING A CRAPPY PERFORMANCE BY A RAIDER PLAYER. Not commenting, celebrating.
Probably be wise for you to STFU right about now, as we both know things aren’t going to get better.
Or leave. Easier to pretend you have something to do.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
The only thing that smells better than Miley’s bung hole is a thousand butterflies covered in honey sipping a giant margarita with one straw
It’d take a group of Marines and their parents to pull me off that tantalizing starfish
You know I’m keeping it real
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i bet she acts like sasha gray in the sack
August 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
09? Your argument wasnt about only 09 was it?
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No my argument was about their careers. In 09 Palmer had no one and still went to the playoffs. Manning has had TONS of excellent players around him. I keep asking you, who has Palmer had around him? Ocho Stinko? You saw what happened when he went to another franchise. He gets cut.
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sorry bra, but in 09 palmer had good weapons. Johnson was still in his prime and benson was a 1000 yard rusher. That team won on defense and rushing.
none of that matters though, because even if palmer was just amazing that year that was 3 years ago and he isnt playing nearly as well over the last 2. he is on the decline and this cant be denied when you look at the stats he has posted over that span.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
At the moment, Andy Dalton is much better than Palmer, and there is no coincidence that the Bungles got better without Palmer, plus they’ll still get a second from us next season.
All of you who are making excuses and apologizing for Palmer are just hopeful, no crime in that, and got to root for the player on the team, believe me, once Palmer is out of here you’ll see the truth.
There are plenty of other Raiders besides Palmer who have not played up to their salaries and hype (so-called potential), that has been the problem in the past, and so far this pre-season Palmer has not done or shown anything to merit a different opinion.
It is up to him to step it up and play better to prove me and others here wrong, and not for any of you to keep defending his mediocre play. However, that’s your choice, and you’d better not question my loyalty to this team.
For Palmer and the rest of the fat cat veterans in this team, bottom line, no more excuses, get it done or get out of Oaktown.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
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1. I couldnt give 2 squirts of pizz about who you think i root for.
2. You cant tell me what satisfies me and doesnt. You had a theory or belief, im telling you it was incorrect. we are going back and fourth but it is an unfounded accusation on your part
3. i have never wanted my team to suck. I did however voice my displeasure when palmer was signed because i didnt thin he was very good.Offering evidence to back up my position does not equate to wanting my team to suck, no matter how badly you wish it did. Insisting on this to protect you feelings for a player the way you are in this case, is indeed much more “childish” than anything i have posted.
Now get off my nuts, you are looking foolish
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Sorry, but when you are called out for a foolish comment, replying “you look foolish” is weak and pathetic.
YOUR WORDS: “Carson Palmer 30 ATT, 16 COMP 53.3 COMP % 4.7 YPA 0 TDS 2 INTS 38.2 PASSER RATING
IF THIS ISNT FLOUNDERING THAN WHAT THE HELL IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
Besides looking the fool, you’re acting the fool.
YOU’RE CELEBRATING A CRAPPY PERFORMANCE BY A RAIDER PLAYER. Not commenting, celebrating.
Probably be wise for you to STFU right about now, as we both know things aren’t going to get better.
Or leave. Easier to pretend you have something to do.
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LOL rewording your argument hasnt changed it genius. I am not “celebrating a crappy performance by a raider player”. you can be as creative as you like in you reprisal or rephrasing but it is still wrong.
I am celebrating kicking the crap out of someone that tried to argue with me.
Come on bra, reading is fundamental
August 20th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
763,Seymour Bush,nothing You say will change m1ts mind! Carson Palmer is the QB, PERIOD.He doesnt get it, You do, barring injury Palmer is the QB for two years, at least. YES!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I thought posters claiming to be both raider & whiner fans are automaticly kicked…?
August 20th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
hendu Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
763,Seymour Bush,nothing You say will change m1ts mind! Carson Palmer is the QB, PERIOD.He doesnt get it, You do, barring injury Palmer is the QB for two years, at least. YES!!!!!!!!
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I get that palmer is the qb for the moment. I do not believe this is necessarily the case for 2013. i think he is being evaluated and must play well this year in order to secure his spot for next year. If he continues his epic flop job, we will be drafting his replacement 2013
August 20th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The london jags.. gay..
August 20th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Come on bra, reading is fundamental
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And obviously comprehension, for some, isn’t.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Come on bra, reading is fundamental
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And obviously comprehension, for some, isn’t.
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Must be talking about yourself, you are trying to put words in my mouth folks, and it wont fly.
Laughable
August 20th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
wow this schit is crazy. we are in the PRESASON folks PRESEASON WTF at least wait til the regular season til you have your meltdown. All this talk about palmer is getting you where? is he gonna be cut? no will he be demoted? no so WTF? is all this for an I told you so moment later? I for one am not gonna hit the panic button over a couple of practice games where you can try whatever you need to try and see the results without it mattering.Just chill out let the coaches do their thing and lets see how we come out sept 10 against the chargers. is that so hard.
August 20th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
The only time Palmer was even close to having the same weapons as Manning was in 2005.
Wherein:
Manning 28 td’s 10 int’s 3,700 yds.
Palmer 32 td’s 12 int’s 3,800 + yds.
Any other yr. Manning’s offense was LOADED.
If Palmer would’ve had the weapons Manning had? At least 3 Super Bowl’s easily.
(I just added the last comment for irritation purposes since that is what some of these posters are specializing in).
August 20th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
peace im out
August 20th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
09? Your argument wasnt about only 09 was it?
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No my argument was about their careers. In 09 Palmer had no one and still went to the playoffs. Manning has had TONS of excellent players around him. I keep asking you, who has Palmer had around him? Ocho Stinko? You saw what happened when he went to another franchise. He gets cut.
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sorry bra, but in 09 palmer had good weapons. Johnson was still in his prime and benson was a 1000 yard rusher. That team won on defense and rushing.
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Good weapons? Benson and Stinko are not good weapons. 2 years later both them are barley hanging on in the league by their finger nails. You are right that that team started to get good defensively. But come one, JP foschi? Andre Caldwell? And as I have said over and over, name ONE good Olineman.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
780, Good Point, lets see after 4 games whos WHINING in here. RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
who gives a f@uck about preseason we went 4-0 under shell in preseason and we see how that turned out the patriots went 1-3 and we see how that worked out. preseasons are for scrubs and draft picks to show what they can do and for coaches to try some of the things they have been working on all offseason against live opponents. its just PRACTICE. WAIT WE TALKN BOUT PRACTICE NOT A GAME PRACTICE.In the words of allen iverson the great.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
YO DUDE BRUHS
just uncorked a significant duece. rolled it sideways and made then it made me run right to avoid gettin squashed by that smelly wonder extraordinaire. but its a real cookie. i could swear it was speakin to me. but i guess it was just real noisy coolin down. mercy.
HOLLA YAWL
August 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
09? Your argument wasnt about only 09 was it?
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No my argument was about their careers. In 09 Palmer had no one and still went to the playoffs. Manning has had TONS of excellent players around him. I keep asking you, who has Palmer had around him? Ocho Stinko? You saw what happened when he went to another franchise. He gets cut.
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sorry bra, but in 09 palmer had good weapons. Johnson was still in his prime and benson was a 1000 yard rusher. That team won on defense and rushing.
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Good weapons? Benson and Stinko are not good weapons. 2 years later both them are barley hanging on in the league by their finger nails. You are right that that team started to get good defensively. But come one, JP foschi? Andre Caldwell? And as I have said over and over, name ONE good Olineman.
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Even if your assessment of the quality of his weapons was accurate it doesnt change the facts.
what palmer did in 09 is a distant memory as he hasnt come close to anything like that for his recently history.
Please believe that big mck is not in office satisfied because of what palmer accomplished in cicny. neither am i.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
HOLLA
now that was some eruption, lava style.
HOLLA HOLLA
August 20th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
zopi Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
At the moment, Andy Dalton is much better than Palmer, and there is no coincidence that the Bungles got better without Palmer, plus they’ll still get a second from us next season.
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Dalton is not NEARLY as good as Palmer. He just has much better players around him. Benson was sitting out all preseason because no one wanted him. Their defense is MUCH improved over the last four years, and who would you rather have AJ Green or Stinko as your number one? And in 09 Palmer still won 10 games and went to the playoffs with a crappier roster.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
what palmer did in 09 is a distant memory as he hasnt come close to anything like that for his recently history.
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That was only two years ago. While I agree that in sports, (or music for that matter) you are only as good as your last gig. I give Palmer a mulligan for last season here. But 09 was only two seasons ago.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
what palmer did in 09 is a distant memory as he hasnt come close to anything like that for his recently history.
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That was only two years ago. While I agree that in sports, (or music for that matter) you are only as good as your last gig. I give Palmer a mulligan for last season here. But 09 was only two seasons ago.
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Ok i will concede that point. you are right he may find a way to recapture the magic. i also think it is unfair to completely dismiss him at this time as he is learning a new playbook. We will have a much better view of how he fits or doesnt fit by mid season
August 20th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Bottom line is if Palmer was on a Pittsburgh Steeler or NY Giants, Green Bay, Dallas, I would agree with you all. But you are talking about the most feeble franchise in all of sports. There last playoff run was in the late 80’s for crying out loud with Boomer Esiason and the Ickey shuffle
August 20th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Bottom line is if Palmer was on a Pittsburgh Steeler or NY Giants, Green Bay, Dallas, I would agree with you all. But you are talking about the most feeble franchise in all of sports. There last playoff run was in the late 80’s for crying out loud with Boomer Esiason and the Ickey shuffle
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there is some validity to that statement as well, I tend to think that they under achieved a few times during palmers tenure and i give palmer part of that responsiblity.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Seymour Bushis right on as usual.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Mistic you are a clown brah.
Manning is coming off of an injury just as severe if not worse than anything Carson Palmer has experienced. Peyton Manning is 36 years old, 4 years older than Carson Palmer.
In football it’s all about ‘What have you done for me LATELY.’
The last time we saw Carson Palmer in a REGULAR SEASON game that counted, he played as well as any QB in the league during that game!
So to insinuate that somehow Payton Manning’s struggles during the preseason are somehow LESS concerning or serious for his team, than Carsom Palmer’s struggles for us during the preseason is the biggest pile of horse sh*t I’ve sen on this blog.
Not to mention that Andrew Luck threw 2 picks in one half of his last game as well. But of course Mistic will make excuses for that as well, while vilifying our starting QB.smh
August 20th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Seymour Bush is right on as usual.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
I am not a football guru, never will be.
But I have a theory……..lol.
I compare Knapp to the engineers that I work with. You draw up a plan, submit it, it gets approved and work begins. Everyone is happy.
Now out in the field those plans don’t always jive. Multiple probelems usually arise and the engineer has to make a decision..do you make adjusments and correct the problems? Or do you force your workers to go by the plans. When that happens where I work the process ends up being a disaster.
You end up tearing out the whole project and starting over.
The reason I say this is because I hope Allen, Knapp and Saunders do the right thing if the plan fails.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I was very unhappy the day the Raids traded for Palmer.
I had predicted the Raids would trade for Palmer, and even selected him as my MUP, although he wasn’t on the roster and the trade wouldn’t occur for many weeks.
So why was I unhappy ?
It wasn’t bcz I thought Palmer was a total scrub, although I did think he was always overrated and on the decline. It wasn’t bcz I thought (and still think) his arm strength isn’t what it used to be.
I should have been elated just to know the Raids were finally moving on from the scrub named Jason Campbell. Some myopic posters here were somehow able to sit through a year and a half of JC stinking it up, and still insisted he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Laughable.
I was unhappy bcz I was shocked at the price the Raids paid for Palmer. I figured the Bungles had finally caved and took a single number 2 or at best 2 and a 3 in exchange for Palmer. I nearly choked when I heard it was 2 number 1’s (thankfully that was incorrect). Should have realized it was the Raids that panicked and were willing to pay an exorbitant price in hopes of salvaging the season.
I blasted the trade that day, and although the sting has lessened somewhat – now that we’re past losing our nbr 1 – I still remain unconvinced we got the better end of the trade, and paid too much.
If TIM Palmer doesn’t pick it up this year, people will be pulling up video of Hue proclaiming it the ‘greatest trade ever’ and having a nice laugh at our expense.
That doesn’t bother me as much as knowing that if he doesn’t play well in 2012 AND give an indication he might play well for several more years – the Raids will be investing another high draft pick in a seemingly never ending quest to obtain that elusive franchise QB.
How Palmer plays this year will not only determine the fate of the 2012 Raids, if he fails, it’s going to set the franchise back for several years. JaMoron redux.
I’m afraid we’re still going to be looking for a franchise QB, and that TP isn’t the answer.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Be careful intrepid people might u are me and i am you…lol.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
I meant to say seymour..
August 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Mistic you are a clown brah.
Manning is coming off of an injury just as severe if not worse than anything Carson Palmer has experienced. Peyton Manning is 36 years old, 4 years older than Carson Palmer.
In football it’s all about ‘What have you done for me LATELY.’
The last time we saw Carson Palmer in a REGULAR SEASON game that counted, he played as well as any QB in the league during that game!
So to insinuate that somehow Payton Manning’s struggles during the preseason are somehow LESS concerning or serious for his team, than Carsom Palmer’s struggles for us during the preseason is the biggest pile of horse sh*t I’ve sen on this blog.
Not to mention that Andrew Luck threw 2 picks in one half of his last game as well. But of course Mistic will make excuses for that as well, while vilifying our starting QB.smh
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In my mind manning has been a better player over the last few years than palmer has been. If i were force to choose between these two and predict who will return playing at a high level first i would choose manning based on recent on the field history.
Simple math, mannings last season of football, compared to palmers. This is why i give manning the benefit of the doubt over palmer. that is all
August 20th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
AL doesnt want anyone getting his credit & praise.. he’s cursing us for abandoning his ways..
August 20th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
AL doesnt want anyone getting his credit & praise.. he’s cursing us for abandoning his ways..
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How does a dead man “curse” anything?
August 20th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Not to mention that Andrew Luck threw 2 picks in one half of his last game as well. But of course Mistic will make excuses for that as well, while vilifying our starting QB.smh
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Im not sure where this came from but if you are curious HELL YEAH I WOULD TAKE LUCK OVER PALMER!!!
Luck is a rookie he is expected to make turnovers in the preseason, not like palmer a 10 year vet. Luck is younger and has a huge upside, palmer looks to be on the shady side of the hill
August 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
ok now im out peace
August 20th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Vick is out,,,,, again and rookie Nick Fowles from Az will lead the beagles.
Rookie can throw
August 20th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RM99
You should become a sports writer or just write.
Serously.
I don’t always agree with you but you sure have a knack in spelling things out.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Be careful intrepid people might u are me and i am you…lol.
Intrepid Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
I meant to say seymour..
August 20th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Somebody stole my screen name
WTF. I have never and will never say lol. Is that you sully?
August 20th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
How did al help us beat hou?.. man must know the devil..
August 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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What you are, and you should change change your handle to is: LAUGHINGSTOCK.
You are on permanent ignore.. now GTFOOH
August 20th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I am Intrepid, also Purvisman, yeah that’s really my name. Ocassionally los mal ojos. who wold care about my posts enough to usurp my name?
August 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Geez
August 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
As I said from the beginning, that Eagles contract extension to Vick will go down as one of the worst contracts in NFL history.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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you must have gotten your ass beat in the coliseum parking lot. sorry bout that bro but now you know your not welcome.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Simple math, mannings last season of football, compared to palmers. This is why i give manning the benefit of the doubt over palmer. that is all
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Man you still don’t get it. My point is that there are SEVERAL QB’s having struggles in preseason and training camp, even the so called ELITE QB’s.
You can’t excuse and justify all the interceptions and mistakes that the other so called elite QB’s are having, yet at the same time continuously hammer OUR stating QB who is facing the same challenges that QB’s like Manning and Luck are facing…
Silly arguments and hypocrisy like that is why you sound like a straight clown sometimes.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
_______________________________________________________
This guy is clearly MR aka Sullivan, aka whatever other cross posting alias he is using this week. Just scroll past this tool.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Now I’m outed,should I post the link to the pictures of my llama trek in the Trinity Alps last week?
August 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
we still talkn bout PRACTICE?
August 20th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Palmer is being asked to play a style of football under knapp that is not suited to his strength. So if he doesn’t get us to the super bowl it won’t be his doing. Palmer is the best out there and when we get Moore back, look it. And another point. The better our running game and a 1-2 punch ground game, that will make CP3 even more awesome.
August 20th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I was very unhappy the day the Raids traded for Palmer.
I had predicted the Raids would trade for Palmer, and even selected him as my MUP, although he wasn’t on the roster and the trade wouldn’t occur for many weeks.
So why was I unhappy ?
It wasn’t bcz I thought Palmer was a total scrub, although I did think he was always overrated and on the decline. It wasn’t bcz I thought (and still think) his arm strength isn’t what it used to be.
I should have been elated just to know the Raids were finally moving on from the scrub named Jason Campbell. Some myopic posters here were somehow able to sit through a year and a half of JC stinking it up, and still insisted he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Laughable.
I was unhappy bcz I was shocked at the price the Raids paid for Palmer. I figured the Bungles had finally caved and took a single number 2 or at best 2 and a 3 in exchange for Palmer. I nearly choked when I heard it was 2 number 1’s (thankfully that was incorrect). Should have realized it was the Raids that panicked and were willing to pay an exorbitant price in hopes of salvaging the season.
I blasted the trade that day, and although the sting has lessened somewhat – now that we’re past losing our nbr 1 – I still remain unconvinced we got the better end of the trade, and paid too much.
If TIM Palmer doesn’t pick it up this year, people will be pulling up video of Hue proclaiming it the ‘greatest trade ever’ and having a nice laugh at our expense.
That doesn’t bother me as much as knowing that if he doesn’t play well in 2012 AND give an indication he might play well for several more years – the Raids will be investing another high draft pick in a seemingly never ending quest to obtain that elusive franchise QB.
How Palmer plays this year will not only determine the fate of the 2012 Raids, if he fails, it’s going to set the franchise back for several years. JaMoron redux.
I’m afraid we’re still going to be looking for a franchise QB, and that TP isn’t the answer.
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“I’m afraid we’re still going to be looking for a franchise QB, and that TP isn’t the answer.”
Finally, we disagree on something…I was starting to wonder when we could have a discussion on something…
Great post Raiderman99…as usual..but I disagree with your final statement.
Carson Palmer is a franchise QB…and has the ability to be a dam good one…
I have faith that the staff will adapt to our players strengths….(Palmer & McFadden)…
It’s early….they can install plays which can benefit both players in a few hours….practice then a couple days..and voila….we’re up and running on all cylinders….
I only hope that our Coaches install some concepts to take advantage of Palmer’s intelligence….so far…they have not…we are riding specifically on Knapp…if they would give him a choice (concept call) of plays from which to choose from pre-snap we would fare much better than the current sideline play calling system…
I think Knapp will adjust…because if he doesn’t….plain and simple….is going to be fired!
August 20th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
August 20th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
August 20th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
August 20th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Either Lady Beeech is getting very meta, or the mods are getting very strict. Not sure which.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Lady beech sucks.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
With all that said I still think Palmer will pull it together and have a good season. Not as good of a season as if he were in Hue’s offense where he was comfortable.
I still don’t get that.
If we ran a no huddle half the game with that O we used last year Palmer would kick ass.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
we still talkn bout PRACTICE?////////////////////////////////////////////That and only that.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
we still talkn bout PRACTICE?////////////////////////////////////////////That and only that.
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Half a decade ago, I’d listen to Rome whilst driving to my classes. He used to play that clip ALL. THE. TIME.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Knapp is doing to our offense exactly what Al Davis did to our defense, take it back 30 years and force it on the players instead of developing an offense that is better suited to our speed and talent.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
HOOLA HOLLA FOBIZZLE
maybe someone doesnt like me talkin bout my mini truck sized deuce that almost rolled me over. I was trying to let yawl know how fantastically large it was.
DUECIN IN DA KITCHEN
August 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RaiderRob & Plunkfor:
I was rooting for George Blanda and John Brodie, most likely before either of you were born.
It’s just a game guys, calm down.
Two is always better than one!
August 20th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RaiderRob,
I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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you must have gotten your ass beat in the coliseum parking lot. sorry bout that bro but now you know your not welcome.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Nah, I didn’t get my “azz beat in the coliseum parking lot.”
August 20th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Knapp is doing to our offense exactly what Al Davis did to our defense, take it back 30 years and force it on the players instead of developing an offense that is better suited to our speed and talent.
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Don’t you think you’re overstating it just a bit?
August 20th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
blackandsilverside Says://////////////////////////////////////////////////Knew you weren’t a fan
August 20th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Total faith in Carson Palmer here…..ive got no doubt he’s gonna be the best QB in the afc west …..2 preseason games isn’t enough to get me off the bandwagon …. Got faith on our coachs and management too….could change .. But nothing’s happened yet to make me think
Any diffrent ….. Don’t mind Kelly smacking with Kolb as long as he backs his smack with his play..
August 20th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
blackandsilverside Says: I am a 49′ers fan as well as a Raiders fan. FYI, the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Just lost all credbility. Go post elsewhere.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Nah, I didn’t get my “azz beat in the coliseum parking lot.”////////////////////Yeah, you did.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:47 pm,
Backstage,
I agree with you. I think CP will be a good serviceable QB and will perform this season much like he did this season, if Knapp has the wisdom to be flexible regarding CP’s strengths and weaknesses.
Meanwhile, I am hard pressed here because I admitted to being a 49′er fan as well as a big time Raider fan, and rooted for both Brodie and Blanda at the same time, way before most of the posters here were even born.
Oh well, go figure.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Only team I back are the Raiders….period….think we’re gonna see some great ball this year… Homer?.. Yep
August 20th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Nah, I didn’t get my “azz beat in the coliseum parking lot.”////////////////////Yeah, you did.
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No, Purvisman, I did not. Beside that, I exclusively attended Raiders games in Los Angeles. Watching Allen and Jackson running tamdem were some of the greatest moments.
I bet you can’t say the same.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
tandem ***
August 20th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Sigh of relief for Eagle fans. X-Ray on Vicks ribs negative. Evan Mathis owes Vick a steak dinner.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Raider Dlines looking very good in just the few peeks we’ve had….. Offense will catch up…
August 20th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
As I said from the beginning, that Eagles contract extension to Vick will go down as one of the worst contracts in NFL history.
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As Raider fans…..we need to tone it down on any questions related to bad contracts and skewed trades
August 20th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Ryan Mallett looked awesome with the 1s. Too bad we had that “no knuckleheads” poilicy going on the year he came out. Pats win again.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
As I said from the beginning, that Eagles contract extension to Vick will go down as one of the worst contracts in NFL history.
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As Raider fans…..we need to tone it down on any questions related to bad contracts and skewed trades
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Agreed. JFB hasn’t slept in years over the contracts signed by NFL players. Newsflash: They make a lot of money!
August 20th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Way too much panic after a couple of preseason games.
This is really practice guys….that’s all it is. Practice.
Its like a practice test, a trial run, a sample production run…its nothing…really.
The coaches are looking at all sorts of players/scenarios/situations just to see how it would work. Even the playcalling itself is experimental.
Carson Palmer can play QB and Jacoby Ford will catch the ball.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The fact that the penalties are way down is great news…that should carry over because that’s all about discipline
August 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Nblackandsilverside Says: no, Purvisman, I did not. Beside that, I exclusively attended Raiders games in Los Angeles. Watching Allen and Jackson running tamdem were some of the greatest moments.
I bet you can’t say the same.//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Lived in Pasadena had season tickets for two years until I figured out much cheaper to buy scalprd tickets and parked on bud long street before I realized you could d
call the Museum of natural history on monday morning and get an assigned parking spot for the following game. Boom, screw you .
pa
August 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
On the flip side the defense has looked pretty good so far….doesn’t mean much either.
So bad offense and good defense in preseason…all meaningless.
Keep DMAC healthy and avoid penalties….those are the goals of the preseason
August 20th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Ryan Mallett looked awesome with the 1s. Too bad we had that “no knuckleheads” poilicy going on the year he came out. Pats win again.
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Remember what the environment was like last year. With Hue’s brand of “discipline,” Mallett would have done more cheap street drugs than Goat’s Head Soup-era Keith Richards.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
You did just get effed blacksides
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Sorry, I’ll back off a bit. He11, I was a fan of the ‘49ers in their heyday. Hard to argue with excellence.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
852.purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
You did just get effed blacksides
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I do believe he did. That was almost a double biatch slap.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Who won the Super Bowl last yr.? The Giants right? I’ve gotta go get my Eli jersey at the store. Don’t know what i’m gonna do with my Rodgers jersey from the yr. before.
I know. I’ll keep it in the closet in case they win THIS yr.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
853.purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Sorry, I’ll back off a bit. He11, I was a fan of the ‘49ers in their heyday. Hard to argue with excellence.
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I was just starting to like you, oh well.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Way too much panic after a couple of preseason games.
This is really practice guys….that’s all it is. Practice.
Its like a practice test, a trial run, a sample production run…its nothing…really.
The coaches are looking at all sorts of players/scenarios/situations just to see how it would work. Even the playcalling itself is experimental.
Carson Palmer can play QB and Jacoby Ford will catch the ball.
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Thank you S&B. This is something the mental midgets just can’t seem to comprehend.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Ryan Mallett looked awesome with the 1s. Too bad we had that “no knuckleheads” poilicy going on the year he came out. Pats win again.
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Remember what the environment was like last year. With Hue’s brand of “discipline,” Mallett would have done more cheap street drugs than Goat’s Head Soup-era Keith Richards.
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Who is to say he’s not doing that now?? Bottom line is the guy can play. Couple that with the fact he’s got a great team around him and the Pats win again.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Agreed. JFB hasn’t slept in years over the contracts signed by NFL players. Newsflash: They make a lot of money!
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I don’t care that they make money, baseball and basketball players make waaay more money than them, ever here me say anything about them?
I do take an active interest in the business side of football however, something that is a little too deep for you apparently.
August 20th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Yeah right. I don’t put a lot of stock into preseason. Last year I thought we would have a good D because or defensive preseason garbage was just a smokescreen. Like Chucky B didn’t want to tip his hand. Don’t care about the score. Just 1st and goal to go situations.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
853.purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Sorry, I’ll back off a bit. He11, I was a fan of the ‘49ers in their heyday. Hard to argue with excellence.
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August 20th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
853.purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Sorry, I’ll back off a bit. He11, I was a fan of the ‘49ers in their heyday. Hard to argue with excellence.
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I was just starting to like you, oh well.///////////////////////////////Now I’m screwed; if I go to a tailgate party and identify myself as purvisman, method will shoot me!
August 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
-and the Pats win again.
-I was a fan of the ‘49ers in their heyday. Hard to argue with excellence.
-the 49′ers would, and will, kick the Raiders’ azzes from hell and back, every Sunday.
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There IS a Patriot board i’m sure, AND a 49er board too I would guess.
Why don’t u guys go there instead of wasting time here?
What is so great about this place that would spend time here instead of your teams blog?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
“Don’t you think you’re overstating it just a bit?”
Ok RaiderDuck your right but I am seriously upset about how this offense has regressed. Maybe I am overreacting too soon and should wait until the season starts to complain about it.
Last year we were all complaining about the defense allowing big runs in the pre season….smh
August 20th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Just got back from the feed and tack store with my
brand new whip!!
Where’s that dead horse so I can beat it too???
August 20th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Who won the Super Bowl last yr.? The Giants right? I’ve gotta go get my Eli jersey at the store. Don’t know what i’m gonna do with my Rodgers jersey from the yr. before.
I know. I’ll keep it in the closet in case they win THIS yr.///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////You don’t really buy their shirts, do you?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
809.Marks hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
How did al help us beat hou?.. man must know the devil..
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What is this..coming out night?
Ok, everybody fess up about who your REAL team is.
It’s cathartic i’m sure.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Is there a forum where there are just Raider fans?///////////////////////////I’m sorry, I’m sorry.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
866.purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Who won the Super Bowl last yr.? The Giants right? I’ve gotta go get my Eli jersey at the store. Don’t know what i’m gonna do with my Rodgers jersey from the yr. before.
I know. I’ll keep it in the closet in case they win THIS yr.///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////You don’t really buy their shirts, do you?
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Heck NO! I’m just being facetious and sarcastic. All this talk of the “greatness” of other teams on a Raider board doesn’t make sense to me.
I was raised in a weird era where you stay loyal to your team thru thick and thin. You can criticize them, and get really mad at ‘em but at the end of the day you are still LOYAL to them and you don’t wear another teams hat…period.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Just got back from the feed and tack store with my
brand new whip!!
Where’s that dead horse so I can beat it too???////////////////////////////////Just got back from a 9 llama 12 person 6 day trip in the Trinity Alps. No dead horses.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
With you all the way,DJ.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
I knew I was supposed to hate the
Dolts, Chefs, and Donkeys, and Seahags for you youngsters,But I didn’t know I was supposed to hate the steelers(kinda liked them) or the 49ers( didn;t really care about them) But we are talking ‘79.. ‘80 so please forgive me.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Wish we had Foles. That guy looks sharp.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
I got my raider ink done in 96. Dont question my loyalty just because i think al has magic powers….
August 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
It’s all good Purvisman. I can tell you’re a good guy and not a jerk.
We all root for other teams on occasion. I cannot turn on a game and NOT pcik a team I would rather see win.
I will actually yell out with joy when the team I want to win the SB scores a td in the game.
Last yr. it was NYG. Why? I can’t stand the Patriots and quite honestly don’t really respect them either. There just seems to be something creepy and deceitful about them.
I can “respect” great teams…even if i dislike them vehemently.
I’m jealous of guys who can turn it off and on and switch teams with the wind.
I truly wish I wasn’t so emotionally invested in the Raiders. It has not been a healthy relationship…but I could no sooner turn against them and buy a Tom Brady jersey than shoot my own mother.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Late ’90s I’m wearing my colors and a serviceman comes up to the gate and says” So, you think you’re a Raider fan huh? I said I will never give up and he pulls up his shirt and shows me his 15 inch raider logo tatoo on his belly. I was suitably impessed.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
In Grass Valley, we rep up here.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
I get board watching any fb game without the Raiders.. dont give a shlt who wins..
August 20th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Love it, DJ.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
In Grass Valley, we rep up here.
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Ever go into Nev City?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
That would be next door, so Yes .
August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
874.Marks hair Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
I got my raider ink done in 96. Dont question my loyalty just because i think al has magic powers….
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If you think Al Davis has magical powers AND have a Raider tattoo…than you’ve earned the right to complain every once in a while.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What is the reasoning behind retaining Al Saunders? He’s well versed in the offense we ran last year, which if it wasn’t for a bevy of injuries, would have easily been a top 5, 10 in the NFL.
If our offense sputters during the regular season, do any of you think there is a plan B? In that, meaning there is a portion of the playbook which is similar to what we ran last year? Reggie came in and hired “his” people to coach and D.A kept Al…Why?
It’s not like you can look at Knapp’s track record and be completely sold that his offense will continue being as productive as we were last year.
If we can be multiple on defense, why not on offense? Just some questions on my mind!
Go Raiders!
August 20th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Was reading some of the earlier post.
Guys need to calm down the 0-3 , 0-4 start talk.
Not even remotely possible.
Push eject button on that shat…
August 20th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
That would be next door, so Yes .
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You go out and watch live music?
August 20th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Tarver was a Russian spy and will conduct each game like a robbery.
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What he did to Korn was at least a felony.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What is the reasoning behind retaining Al Saunders? He’s well versed in the offense we ran last year, which if it wasn’t for a bevy of injuries, would have easily been a top 5, 10 in the NFL.
If our offense sputters during the regular season, do any of you think there is a plan B? In that, meaning there is a portion of the playbook which is similar to what we ran last year? Reggie came in and hired “his” people to coach and D.A kept Al…Why?
It’s not like you can look at Knapp’s track record and be completely sold that his offense will continue being as productive as we were last year.
If we can be multiple on defense, why not on offense? Just some questions on my mind!
Go Raiders!
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I can think of several reasons. The guy is a certified offensive guru, and can plausibly assist pretty much every offensive coach. And there may be some backup thinking at work. DA was asked about Saunders once, and couldn’t stop raving about the guy.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Best move McKenzie made was to keep ASAUNDERS in the Org.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
I would kick the tires on merriman. dude is only 28, would not cost us anything to check the tank.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What is the reasoning behind retaining Al Saunders? He’s well versed in the offense we ran last year, which if it wasn’t for a bevy of injuries, would have easily been a top 5, 10 in the NFL.
If our offense sputters during the regular season, do any of you think there is a plan B? In that, meaning there is a portion of the playbook which is similar to what we ran last year? Reggie came in and hired “his” people to coach and D.A kept Al…Why?
It’s not like you can look at Knapp’s track record and be completely sold that his offense will continue being as productive as we were last year.
If we can be multiple on defense, why not on offense? Just some questions on my mind!
Go Raiders!
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Well there is a lot of reasons why you would keep Saunders. lst off for continuity obviously. And when I mean continuity, I don’t mean what 99% of people are going to think which is he was here last year. What I mean is the guy has been in the division for years. He knows every team like the back of his hand. So he is going to have a much tighter grasp of the division than Knapp or even Allen. 2ndly, remember none of these guys have been head coaches at any level. Saunders has. So he can certainly assist on that plane. 3rdly one of the big problems last year was Jackson became very predictable in the second halves of games. Opponents scouted his tendencies and we all suffered. Later in the season the let Saunders do some of the second half play calling. Which helped. Lastly, Al Saunders is invaluable when it comes to game planning an opponent. His advance preparation might be the main reason that Jackson was successful early in games last season. Hope that helps. Good questions.
August 20th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Best move McKenzie made was to keep ASAUNDERS in the Org.
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Second-best move. Best move was to hire DA. I’d list Tarver #2, but I don’t know if that was Reggie’s hire or DA’s.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
da/krapp are in over their head, tarver seems ok…
August 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Saints just traded an undisclosed future draft pick to Seattle for LB Barrett Ruud.
I wonder if Reggie had any interest.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Saints just traded an undisclosed future draft pick to Seattle for LB Barrett Ruud.
I wonder if Reggie had any interest
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Ruud is an MLB, starter. With McChees doing his impression, and getting the nod, i doubt it.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Best move McKenzie made was to keep ASAUNDERS in the Org.
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Second-best move. Best move was to hire DA. I’d list Tarver #2, but I don’t know if that was Reggie’s hire or DA’s.
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Tarver is Allen’s hire.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Saints just traded an undisclosed future draft pick to Seattle for LB Barrett Ruud.
I wonder if Reggie had any interest.
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Reg is proving to be very patient and frugal with his money. I keep saying that Reg is not an impulse buyer.
He is patiently waiting.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Cutting the penalties in half will be the equivalent of adding two high-powered free agents.
Anyway, there is no one free agent quick fix here. The team has to see what it has in a modern defense with discipline and hopefully we can see the offense healthy for most of the season.
No fixes out there is going to be a significant game changer.
Roll on with the team that is there…and stop the penalties….and keep DMAC healthy
August 20th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Thanks for the info (RaiderDuck,Seymour Bush), I appreciate the insight.
I’ll administer myself into a psych ward if our defense is top 10 and the offense goes to shat. I know, I know, it’s only preseason…just hope our offensive woes don’t exceed longer than the 4 scheduled games.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Knapp is doing to our offense exactly what Al Davis did to our defense, take it back 30 years and force it on the players instead of developing an offense that is better suited to our speed and talent.
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This is what I don’t understand. DA and Tarver have talked about putting our Defensive players in position to succeed, to play to there strengths etc.
Why not the same with the Offense? I believe/hope DA won’t let our Offense/players not do the same. I know Knapp is stuck in his ways to an extent, but he even has to know what our players strengths are by now, I hope
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
The O has moved the ball…Drops, and turnovers have killed scoring opportunites and drives.
LB depth is a ? mark however, guys like Ichenaho, and Goethel are stepping up.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Michael Bush sucks! I’m sure glad we let him go.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Yah especially because DMAC is injury prone and his backup T Jones has been hurt 75% of his career.
Way to go genius!
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504 Raider Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Michael Bush sucks! I’m sure glad we let him go.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
That would be next door, so Yes .
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You go out and watch live music?///////////////////Play it.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
All Michael Bush did was be a solid backup that helped keep the Raiders in contention…….
August 20th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Why not the same with the Offense? I believe/hope DA won’t let our Offense/players not do the same. I know Knapp is stuck in his ways to an extent, but he even has to know what our players strengths are by now, I hope
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ASAUNDERS knows better than anyone in the Org what we have on O. I am sure we can play to the stregths of the players, even though we have changes methodologies, and schematic.
Bottom line is players will need to do their job and make plays. I believe they will.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
The defense is working kinks out there is no doubt about it but after 8 weeks we are going to be light years ahead of where we’ve been IMO
Injuries on Offense is what worry me. When things start to grip CP forces things and INT’s happen. We need to be steady & balanced and most importantly have all our dogs in the fight.
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Thec Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
The O has moved the ball…Drops, and turnovers have killed scoring opportunites and drives.
LB depth is a ? mark however, guys like Ichenaho, and Goethel are stepping up.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I hope Jacoby Ford (Foot) and Taiwan Jones/Denarious Moore (Hamstring) are not these lingering injuries that go on week after week after week.
Its going to get to the point this year where if these guys (including DMAC) miss a big chunk of this year to any foot, strain and hamstring injury…then it will be time to find replacements or tough competition.
Chaz Schilens is a textbook…..how long?
The hamstring stuff is avoidable for the most part.
hopefully Ford heals up fast
August 20th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Before I run gotta say my 2 words of the day,
Lucas Nix…
1 Nation
August 20th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Reggie’s new era hasn’t won a single game, looks like crap a majority of the time, his trade for Goodson is a wash at best and a disaster at worst, traded a decent TE in Boss and left us with nothing but question marks at that position, fired the only Raider coach since Gruden to finish w/o a losing record, traded away a veteran wr that may have prevented us from starting an unheard of TWO rookies at WR on opening night against a hated rival and replaced an offensive guru with a questionable at best offensive guy in Greg Knapp.
And… he’s sitting on 7 million dollars of money he could be using to make the team better after complaining about how much his hands are tied becuz of a lack of cap space. Meanwhile other teams keep acquiring more pieces to help their respective clubs while he sits and does nothing.
He took over an 8-8 team that was one defensive stop from a division title…a young team, and here we sit with no real visual evidence that anything he’s done has improved this team.
But…despite that evidence most of us think he is just what this franchise needed.
I have faith that somehow all the moves he’s made will somehow be validated come Sep. 10, but where we sit right now, i see nothing that suggests we’ll be better off than we were.
But even with all that said…I continue to drink the kool aid and hope he knows what he’s doing.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
…i’m sorry, but it would be unfair if I didn’t mention that the defense appears to be much better at this point.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
49ers seem to have plenty of RB depth. Is it possible Anthony Dixon doesn’t make the team? Would he be a good fit for us if Goodson continues with his fumbles?
They have Gore, Hunter, Jacobs and James…
August 20th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Defense looks good….but same rules apply to D as for the O…its still preseason.
The great news is the penalties are down
August 20th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Can’t argue,but Palmer will come around.
August 20th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
That was for DJ..
August 20th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Simple math, mannings last season of football, compared to palmers. This is why i give manning the benefit of the doubt over palmer. that is all
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Man you still don’t get it. My point is that there are SEVERAL QB’s having struggles in preseason and training camp, even the so called ELITE QB’s.
You can’t excuse and justify all the interceptions and mistakes that the other so called elite QB’s are having, yet at the same time continuously hammer OUR stating QB who is facing the same challenges that QB’s like Manning and Luck are facing…
Silly arguments and hypocrisy like that is why you sound like a straight clown sometimes.
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where have I excused any interceptions from any qb? I have always said that turn overs will kill you. I will however acknowledge that interceptions are a part of the learning process for rookies. Palmer is no rookie, no matter how many bone headed rookie picks he throws.
You real problem with me is that you rejoiced an hailed him as a savior. I told you and others that i wasnt so sure and he would need to prove it. I suggested that recent history would indicate he would struggle. I was right, HE HAS BEEN TERRIBLE.
next
August 20th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
When the first round of cuts start happening, I see the Reggime making a move or two..
August 20th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Palmer will win games. A lot of them. Inspite of Knapp.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
where have I excused any interceptions from any qb? I have always said that turn overs will kill you.
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Do you remember just posting this a few hours ago:
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
“Simple math, mannings last season of football, compared to palmers. This is why i give manning the benefit of the doubt over palmer. that is all.”
So even though Manning has thrown MORE INT’s this preseason than Palmer, you EXCUSED him and gave him a PASS because of Mannings’s “Last season of football compared to Palmer’s.
You are pathetic. You can’t even keep up with your own bull sh*t.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
You go out and watch live music?///////////////////Play it.
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Guessing that you’ve seen George Souza then?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
August 20th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
August 20th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
August 20th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
914.purvisman Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
That was for DJ..
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Ha. It’s all good purvmeister.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
where have I excused any interceptions from any qb? I have always said that turn overs will kill you.
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Do you remember just posting this a few hours ago:
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
“Simple math, mannings last season of football, compared to palmers. This is why i give manning the benefit of the doubt over palmer. that is all.”
So even though Manning has thrown MORE INT’s this preseason than Palmer, you EXCUSED him and gave him a PASS because of Mannings’s “Last season of football compared to Palmer’s.
You are pathetic. You can’t even keep up with your own bull sh*t.
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You are not able to comprehend basic english are you? read it again Einstein. No where did I say manning gets a pass, or his ints should be excused during this preseason. I said that I expect would manning to eventually return to pro bowl form before I would heap that expectation on palmer. This is based on their recent history, as in the last season of football they played.
Stop trying to skew my argument to fit your pathetic takes, its weak
August 20th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
How does SF get all these players and still make the cap?
August 20th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Just watched buff vs minny. Very intersting, fitzpatrick is barely serviceable and if he falters vy will be starting by the end of the year.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I think the disappointment from the preseason is expecting this team to look like world beaters right out of the gate.
Most of the reports from camp were really positive and I half expected we’d just come out kicking major butt with the whole “new era of excellence” and all that.
After watching Ford drop those passes, then Criner, then what we saw against AZ i was thinking “man… we were’nt supposed to suck anymore”.
Reality sets in that we aren’t gonna set the wold on fire right out of the gate and settles into ‘hey, we can still be pretty good’.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
926.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Just watched buff vs minny. Very intersting, fitzpatrick is barely serviceable and if he falters vy will be starting by the end of the year.
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Vince Young??? Ha. Talk about guys with mental problems.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
926.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Just watched buff vs minny. Very intersting, fitzpatrick is barely serviceable and if he falters vy will be starting by the end of the year.
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Vince Young??? Ha. Talk about guys with mental problems.
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True his struggles in tennesee are well documneted , but he has been a model citizen since then,he may have matured and reformed.
He looked solid in this game vs minny, and I could see him passing fitz, if fitz follows up with another sub par year. So fitz has been barley decent but that is an improvement over last year
August 20th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I don’t mean to pick on Vince for his mental troubles. I was hoping Al was gonna pick him up at one time.
Funny. I think Fitz’s performance against Raiders was maybe the impetus for giving him that ridculous 55 mill. contract.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
You are not able to comprehend basic english are you? read it again Einstein. No where did I say manning gets a pass, or his ints should be excused during this preseason. I said that I expect would manning to eventually return to pro bowl form before I would heap that expectation on palmer. This is based on their recent history, as in the last season of football they played.
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Man stop being phony. You rant and rave every day about how terrible Carson Palmer is. Yet when it is shown to you that he is playing at a level at least equal to Peyton Manning this preseason, you start twisting and turning and spinning angles left and right to try and convince us that it’s different…
Bottom line is the last body of work we have to go on is game 16 of the 2011 NFL Season. Manning was on the sidelines not playing while Palmer was playing as good as any QB in the league that day. That’s a fact!
This season, BOTH QB’s are learning a new system and trying to develop chemistry with their receivers. Neither one’s struggles are any better or worse than the other…
Stop reaching dude, you sound pitifully desperate.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I’m an unabashed, card carrying fan of Carson Palmer, but I admittedly was disappointed in that first int. and am not excited about his overall play thus far but we have to keep in mind the guy has only played what amounts to one half of one football game….and it’s the first game.
I’m not gonna get down on Palmer cuz i don’t have to worry about him not getting down on himself…he’s his own QB cop and will be first to admit he’s got a few bugs to work out.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
ArmChair GM, 931,agree with much of what You pointed out. However, Seems M1TS has an agenda,think we all know what it is. What bothers me is the WHINING,and rarely about anything but Carson Palmer is his topic. I will continue to scroll thru his posts, way to soon for whining,IMO.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Did anybody see Carson on the sideline in the AZ game appearing to be going at it a little bit with Knapp?
Was that just me seeing things?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
You are not able to comprehend basic english are you? read it again Einstein. No where did I say manning gets a pass, or his ints should be excused during this preseason. I said that I expect would manning to eventually return to pro bowl form before I would heap that expectation on palmer. This is based on their recent history, as in the last season of football they played.
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Man stop being phony. You rant and rave every day about how terrible Carson Palmer is. Yet when it is shown to you that he is playing at a level at least equal to Peyton Manning this preseason, you start twisting and turning and spinning angles left and right to try and convince us that it’s different…
Bottom line is the last body of work we have to go on is game 16 of the 2011 NFL Season. Manning was on the sidelines not playing while Palmer was playing as good as any QB in the league that day. That’s a fact!
This season, BOTH QB’s are learning a new system and trying to develop chemistry with their receivers. Neither one’s struggles are any better or worse than the other…
Stop reaching dude, you sound pitifully desperate.
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hella weak bra.
I never made the argument that you are accusing me of. Everything after that is moot. Manning was a better player than palmer has been over the last few years, anybody that thinks otherwise is clearly cracked.
Because manning has been better in recent seasons I expect that he has a much better shot at rebounding than your hero palmer.
This is all very simple to follow really.
If you want to raise a point that has nothing to do with my argument why bother to bring my name into it at all?
sad
August 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Did anybody see Carson on the sideline in the AZ game appearing to be going at it a little bit with Knapp?
Was that just me seeing things?
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nope you were not seeing things. After another failed drive he was on the sideline throwing a hissy fit….classic palmer
August 20th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
“This season, BOTH QB’s are learning a new system and trying to develop chemistry with their receivers. Neither one’s struggles are any better or worse than the other…”
Thank you sir.
FACT: the only QB’s looking sharp in the league are rookies that go against 2nd and 3rd stringers that no team has ever seen play before(easy to be unpredictable), and the top 5 ELITE QBs in the NFL … i don’t even need to say their names.
FACT: CP3 was the only option we were going to have that was any good after the JC injury(CP3 buries Soup regardless)… unless of course we wanted a real REBUILD with a new QB … or a guy like Matt Flynn(couldn’t afford him anyway)
FACT: CP3 has shown us the ability to make big plays in the past and even in preseason if you were paying attention(without some key drops, he would have looked much better)
FACT: we haven’t seen ANYTHING OF WHATS UP KNAPP’S SLEEVE! you can take that to the bank. there’s many, many, many things that will be The RAIDERS’ bread n butter this season.. such as Marcel Reece?
WORSE CASE SCENARIO: injuries continue to be a problem to our offense and Greg Knapp goes completely conservative with Carson, not attempting any kind of big play and just work the run game, thus keeping us out of the end zone.
IN THE END: its up to Greg Knapp to use his strengths instead of taking Carson out of his comfort zone by doing a full on WCO … i truly think he isn’t going to do that.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
in other news… Merriman just got released.
Mr. Lights out at Vet minimum!
survey says… ?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
#934
Sure hope Palmer was layin some butter on Knapps nuts. Palmer is a pocket guy not dinker.
What about DMAC not being able to punch it in. Does he need to break out the habachi so him and Palmer can ‘roast some nuts?’
August 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
I see it as a good thing. It means if there’s something he doesn’t like going on out there he’s not just gonna let it go and accept it.
Palmer wants to win. Knapp would be wise to listen to him and there should be some give and take if they aren’t on same page.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Mistic,
how was it his fault that his receivers couldn’t catch the ball?
how was it his fault that Knapp called 2 horrible looking zone blocking runs on the goal line after Palmer drove down field?
how was it his fault that Parsons couldn’t block a Pop Warner player up the middle, making him run way back and thus the 3rd down and goal play was busted up?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Bogus,
it was the ZBS in front of him that doesn’t allow the holes to open up right away… thus the linebackers get more of a read on what’s going on and react much quicker.
that plus DMAC isn’t a goddmned short yardage guy… nor should he be used as one. kid will snap like a pop sickle stick at any given moment.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Mistic,
how was it his fault that his receivers couldn’t catch the ball?
how was it his fault that Knapp called 2 horrible looking zone blocking runs on the goal line after Palmer drove down field?
how was it his fault that Parsons couldn’t block a Pop Warner player up the middle, making him run way back and thus the 3rd down and goal play was busted up?
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who blamed palmer for any of that? Palmer has not played well though, he was mediocre at times in cincy and he has been god awful during his time in oakland.
That is the simple truth
August 20th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
moreover Mistic,
Palmer needs a fckin reliable TE. you cannot tell me there’s one on the roster, and you cannot tell me that a successful QB doesn’t need his safety valve.
currently, he has a track team assembled with no huge targets that’ll give him the protection he needs along with a move the chains guy like Zach was.
plus, with a ‘QB’s best friend’, you know there would be less picks thrown… he wouldn’t try to force it down field more.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
moreover Mistic,
Palmer needs a fckin reliable TE. you cannot tell me there’s one on the roster, and you cannot tell me that a successful QB doesn’t need his safety valve.
currently, he has a track team assembled with no huge targets that’ll give him the protection he needs along with a move the chains guy like Zach was.
plus, with a ‘QB’s best friend’, you know there would be less picks thrown… he wouldn’t try to force it down field more.
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There’s no excuse for the idiotic picks. Knapp’s system had nothing to do with them. He had great protection. The plays weren’t there and he didn’t give a fck. He doesn’t value the football. It doesn’t matter what system we run, this is a huge problem.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
‘god awful’ huh?
so you’re thinking of which games exactly? just curious.
lemme guess. KC, DEN, GB, 2nd KC game(debatable since he had the winning throw in OT)..
who am i missing?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
moreover Mistic,
Palmer needs a fckin reliable TE. you cannot tell me there’s one on the roster, and you cannot tell me that a successful QB doesn’t need his safety valve.
currently, he has a track team assembled with no huge targets that’ll give him the protection he needs along with a move the chains guy like Zach was.
plus, with a ‘QB’s best friend’, you know there would be less picks thrown… he wouldn’t try to force it down field more.
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There’s no excuse for the idiotic picks. Knapp’s system had nothing to do with them. He had great protection. The plays weren’t there and he didn’t give a fck. He doesn’t value the football. It doesn’t matter what system we run, this is a huge problem.
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I have never seen a fan base make more excuses for a qb?!?!?
Wait I take that back, they did the same for gradkowski.
weird
August 20th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4459/carson-palmer
it’s just very hard to say he played SO AWFUL overall considering how he came on this team.
it’s just my opinion that if he looks real bad this year, it’ll be because of untimely drops, no reliable(preferably dominating) TE to move the chains, and a SLUE OF INJURIES to your starting cast.
it’s fully possible that those 3 things will happen. at this point, the Raiders can only beat themselves. they have the talent to win the division…
August 20th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
‘god awful’ huh?
so you’re thinking of which games exactly? just curious.
lemme guess. KC, DEN, GB, 2nd KC game(debatable since he had the winning throw in OT)..
who am i missing?
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16 picks in 9 starts last season, 2 picks in 3 quarters in this pre season.
I would call that god awful, perhaps you find this acceptable, but i doubt big mck will
August 20th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
*SLEW
August 20th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
well yea sure Mistic
you can go ahead and count the 6 picks in two games he shouldn’t have been playing in … go right ahead.
you can leave out the fact that he had to learn everything on the fly.
the fact is, it was amazing that he even completed 60% of his passes with no practice coming into the season.
am i saying he’s an elite QB? absolutely not.
you never answered my question either mistic … so who was better out there mid 2011 through the draft and FA this year?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
i have a feeling that mistic and debo are the same person.. and my god does he need to chill the fu@k out! there are always those 3 or 4 fans that freak out over meaningless pre season games hahaha.. its actually becoming commical..
August 20th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
OMG!!!! the patriots lost a game tonight!! i think that means they will go 4-12 and suck this whole year! !WWWHHHAAAATTT!?!?!?! the eagles won that game??? that must mean they are going to the superbowl RIGHT!?!?!?!
se how rediculous i sound mistic/debo? thats what you look like right now.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
‘god awful’ huh?
so you’re thinking of which games exactly? just curious.
lemme guess. KC, DEN, GB, 2nd KC game(debatable since he had the winning throw in OT)..
who am i missing?
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this has nothing to do with anything I have posted.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
anyone in here think we should sign arron berry? pretty decent skills for a CB but got in trouble this offseason which resulted in the lions cutting him.. good news is he only got suspended 3 games by the commish.. which means 13 games of valuable depth at our thin CB position.. just sayin!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
WORSE CASE SCENARIO: injuries continue to be a problem to our offense and Greg Knapp goes completely conservative with Carson, not attempting any kind of big play and just work the run game.
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Minus the injuries, this is actually the best-case scenario. Anything to get this dude to protect the football.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
well yea sure Mistic
you can go ahead and count the 6 picks in two games he shouldn’t have been playing in … go right ahead.
you can leave out the fact that he had to learn everything on the fly.
the fact is, it was amazing that he even completed 60% of his passes with no practice coming into the season.
am i saying he’s an elite QB? absolutely not.
you never answered my question either mistic … so who was better out there mid 2011 through the draft and FA this year?
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ok we have different takes n last year. i dont think he was worth what we paid, but it really doesnt matter, because palmer is the qb. Palmer has played badly
peace fellas
August 20th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
in preseason … most QBs haven’t played well
thanks for playing
August 20th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
hahahaha i was right.. mistic = debo
he just cant seem to understand that we dont have a jawalrus on our team anymore.. its lmost like he wants us to have a horrible QB again.. poor fella
August 20th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
OMG!!!! the patriots lost a game tonight!! i think that means they will go 4-12 and suck this whole year! !WWWHHHAAAATTT!?!?!?! the eagles won that game??? that must mean they are going to the superbowl RIGHT!?!?!?!
se how rediculous i sound mistic/debo? thats what you look like right now.
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“rediculous”???? Dude, you need to lay off the sauce!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
what do you mean it has nothing to do with what you posted?!
i asked you a question. which games has he played god awful in besides a few last year and PRESEASON this year?!
hard to get a real read on him until about a month into the season.
J-Ridah,
what i mean by conservative, i mean HORRIBLE PLAY CALLING… like what you saw on the goal line and in the red zone Friday night. it’s the bedtime Knappy Offense that we saw a couple of years ago. of course he had to simplify things because of JaPorkus and our bad OL(the list continues), but he continued to fail in SEA(even though they were bad on offense as well) …
Palmer is a gun slinger… and if you go conservative with him this season, it will be his and our beloved Raiders undoing.
im not the biggest Hubert fan, but he brought a certain dynamic to this offense that i fear will go the complete opposite direction. why fix what ain’t broken?!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
xraided Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
in preseason … most QBs haven’t played well
thanks for playing
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exactly, look at the best QB in the preseason right now.. Chase freakin Daniels from the saints.. i guess we should have givin the saints 3 first rounders for him!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
August 20th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
OMG!!!! the patriots lost a game tonight!! i think that means they will go 4-12 and suck this whole year! !WWWHHHAAAATTT!?!?!?! the eagles won that game??? that must mean they are going to the superbowl RIGHT!?!?!?!
se how rediculous i sound mistic/debo? thats what you look like right now.
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“rediculous”???? Dude, you need to lay off the sauce!
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ok mistic, whatever you say buddy… just keep on telling yourself that we still have jawalrus throwing the ball for us.. its ok, we are all here for you.
August 20th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
1NATION #1 holla
Question:Isn’t it the norm for Offenses to be lagging Defenses at this time of year?
August 20th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Twinkle Says:
August 20th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
1NATION #1 holla
Question:Isn’t it the norm for Offenses to be lagging Defenses at this time of year?
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answer: True
August 20th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
i already like you Twinkle
August 20th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
LMAO
i know.
like i said above, only rookies that teams can’t gameplan much more because of college film only .. and the top 5 QB’s are killin’ it.
everyone is jumping the gun. i even am when talking so much sh!t about Knapp. it’s very plausible to think that we haven’t seen a fraction of his play book. i’m inclined to believe that with a capable QB like Palmer, he will find creative ways to get players open.
BigMac’s first order of business Aug. 27th when the first round of cuts come is a GODAAAAMMM TIGHT END!!
make a trade if you must! get Zach back from SEA! they signed Winslow and the man is looking real good, while coming off a real good season.
maybe Zach is on his way out, no?! Knapp loved Zach to death and it was the only player he could hang his hat on! i truly believe Miller would make a triumphant comeback in the Silver and Black under Knapp again! the main point there is, CP3 sorely needs a safety valve.
just spit ballin…
August 20th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
where did misticdebo go? poor fella still thinks jamarcus russell is gonna run out of that tunnel every sunday
August 20th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Xraided,
no to miller man, dude can hardly tell which way to put his pants on anymore, with all his concusions..
August 20th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
by the way, i wish i knew where jrussell lived so i could tell him what i thought of his lazy a$$! that guy did al davis WRONG!
August 20th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
yea but they could get him at a discount. hell, the man might be out right released.
i do realize the concussions have slowed him greatly. if they won’t release him, that means he must be worth something.
who’s this TE i saw on NE tonight? looked like he had reliable hands.
i’m willing to bet their 4th stringer can hold a candle to our starting TE.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:00 am
its 2am and i want to watch mcfadden stiffarm the sh!t out of someones face for a 75 yard touchdown! i think i will watch an oldie from 2010, broncos vs raiders.. gotta love that game
August 21st, 2012 at 12:02 am
Look how many times Russell fumbled the ball under Knapp. I don’t think Knapp is all that. Anytime a QB fumbles more times than he throws TDs’, something is wrong with the OC and the QB coach. And dont blame it on the Oline. You got to hang on to the ball. Coaches have got to get the QBs ready for that. Russell had a good tight end, but you NEVER saw Miller pointing the finger at JR.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:03 am
JaWalrus did himself and THE NATION down … along with Al Davis. he spit on the shield.
it would fall on deaf ears my friend. dude just loves his jolly ranchers and syzurrrrp …
you see the most recent pic of him? definitely over 310 ibs
August 21st, 2012 at 12:04 am
yeah, but im pretty sure hes not coming back here.. the only ties he has to this current administration is gknapp, and im not sure he has much say-so..
im thinking when cut days come up we will be picking the best of the scraps at TE, CB, LB, RB and so on..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 am
Miller pointed the finger at NO ONE. he was a class act. talked to him at Gallery’s car show a few years back for like 20 min … you can just tell by talking to him that he wasn’t the type to blame anybody but himself.
sorry my man. i disagree on that point in regards to JaBackFat holding onto the football. he FUMBLED so many times because he felt ZERO PRESSURE and didn’t protect it when the defender went for the tackle. i saw MANY TIMES where fattie just up and dropped it when getting tackled at the legs or even on his own accord.
simply put, you can’t teach stupid.
JR was beyond stupid. he didn’t care plus he was a drug addict.
hard to blame Knapp for that part of it anyway.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 am
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Interesting exchange between Warren Sapp and Raiders radio announcer Greg Papa on 95.7. Papa thinks Seymour is overrated, Sapp agrees . .
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Interesting to notice how much better our defense played against Dallas than against Arizona…..guess who didn’t play?
Richard Seymour
Q: Richard, How did the Cards score against our 1’s…..they ran the ball right at ME…pushing me back 3 yards into the end zone….
I have no further questions…
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 am
Xraided maybe he’ll turn Marcel into a hybrid (as if he ain’t one already) and draw up Miller’s old plays for him out of the H back position or whatever.I’ve read here that Marcel can’t block well so it seems to me that lining him up at FB almost guarantees a pass play.
I haven’t seen any drawn up plays for him so I’m hoping they are waiting for the season to show us.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 am
Russell and his agent got a big check from Al, and if Russell woulda worked his ass off, Al probably would have made him a billionare.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
Jawalrus had fat hands and babydlck fingers.. thats why he fumbled alot.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
Bogus Bogart Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:02 am
Look how many times Russell fumbled the ball under Knapp. I don’t think Knapp is all that. Anytime a QB fumbles more times than he throws TDs’, something is wrong with the OC and the QB coach. And dont blame it on the Oline. You got to hang on to the ball. Coaches have got to get the QBs ready for that. Russell had a good tight end, but you NEVER saw Miller pointing the finger at JR.
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i still think its funny that there are REAL humans out there that defend the laziest get-rich-quick retards in recent history.. seriously man? did you ever hear the guy try to speak english? he couldnt grasp the SIMPLEST FREAKING OFFENSE IN THE ENTIRE NFL!!!!! (but of course it the OC’s fault) well i say BULLSH!T!!!!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
What was Coach Allen response…
Let him sit out of practice and make an excuse with the media for him….claiming time honored tradition for vets….
LOL
Sell crazy someplace else!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
Seymour is miserably over-the-hill, that’s all. We can’t ditch him because from a business standpoint we have to try to recover some value for his astronomical salary.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
yea, that’s the truth
DA and RM are eye ballin’ a few guys they know should hit the market, and they have a lot of doe to get em here.
i’d even over spend a little on a solid veteran at LB or TE, just to get that backup or even a starter we need to solidify things.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:10 am
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
Jawalrus had fat hands and babydlck fingers.. thats why he fumbled alot.
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POST OF THE YEAR
August 21st, 2012 at 12:11 am
ok we have different takes n last year. i dont think he was worth what we paid, but it really doesnt matter, because palmer is the qb. Palmer has played badly
peace fellas
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The jury is still out with Palmer, but with all due respect, JR wasn’t worth what we paid. At least Palmer puts out effort. But then again, the Raiders have a track record of over paying some players.
Palmer is going to have a great year.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 am
there’s no denying that Big Rich is over the hill and it’s a joke that he gets paid more than the likes of a guy like Wilfork, Ngata, and even Suh. ridiculous.
BigMac has big plans for the future, that’s why he’s saving and being responsible about his cash now. he wants be able to resign his guys while injecting great talent through FA … and getting a 1st round pick to work with.
guaranteed that the man is looking forward beyond this season. that’s what worries me about this season(at least a little bit), because he might think a top 5 pick next year is what this team needs. wants to make his mark with the best talent in the draft. god i hope he’s not aiming for it.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 am
i still say we sign free agent CB arron berry to solidify the secondary..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 am
C’mon guys, Russell had some of the lowest intelligence in football. He spoke this really weird Eubonic, Ghettoized, Slanguage. Russell with the Raiders was like Uncle Fester performing with Ziegfield and Roy.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:14 am
The jury is still out with Palmer, but with all due respect, JR wasn’t worth what we paid. At least Palmer puts out effort. But then again, the Raiders have a track record of over paying some players.
Palmer is going to have a great year.
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i think you forgot that al davis passed away.. we wont be over paying anyone from here on out..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:14 am
The irony of Jamarcus getting $23 mil guaranteed and Andrew Luck having to take the new rook cap max….and here I was thinking life was fair.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:15 am
Twinkle Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 am
Xraided maybe he’ll turn Marcel into a hybrid (as if he ain’t one already) and draw up Miller’s old plays for him out of the H back position or whatever.I’ve read here that Marcel can’t block well so it seems to me that lining him up at FB almost guarantees a pass play.
I haven’t seen any drawn up plays for him so I’m hoping they are waiting for the season to show us.
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a chip block at the TE position while running those Zach Miller routes would be ideal. Knapp could resort to that if no suitable TE hits the open market. good point.
Reece does seem a lot out of place at FB. keep Schmitt and DMC in the backfield, and line Reece up at TE .. that’s a fearsome offense by itself!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:15 am
If JRs’ agents best interest was JR, instead of cornholing Al, maybe JR woulda taken a different take. But holding out when Al had set the check on the table was wrong. But then again, all that millions sure bought a lot of party.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:16 am
xraided Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 am
there’s no denying that Big Rich is over the hill and it’s a joke that he gets paid more than the likes of a guy like Wilfork, Ngata, and even Suh. ridiculous.
BigMac has big plans for the future, that’s why he’s saving and being responsible about his cash now. he wants be able to resign his guys while injecting great talent through FA … and getting a 1st round pick to work with.
guaranteed that the man is looking forward beyond this season. that’s what worries me about this season(at least a little bit), because he might think a top 5 pick next year is what this team needs. wants to make his mark with the best talent in the draft. god i hope he’s not aiming for it.
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i said the exact same thing a few posts back, i hope not either but i believe in reggie (in reggie we trust)
August 21st, 2012 at 12:17 am
I said it last night: Saturday’s game with the Lion’s will be an extreme wake up call. You want to see talent on a defense, watch Detroit.
Reggie should look and learn from Detroit, and how Detroit pulled itself out of a 20 stay in the bottom of the NFL toilet.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:17 am
JaWalrus got $39 million guaranteed my man. haha! that’s why Al held out for so long. that dotted line stated NO MATTER HOW BAD HE PLAYS .. and Al knew it was all bad giving a dipsh!t like him that kind of money right off the bat.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:18 am
*signature on the dotted line
August 21st, 2012 at 12:18 am
hmmmmm oh where oh where did debomistic go?????????????????????????????????????
poor fella
little guy dont know what to do now that we have a real QB…
August 21st, 2012 at 12:18 am
Twinkle Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:14 am
The irony of Jamarcus getting $23 mil guaranteed and Andrew Luck having to take the new rook cap max….and here I was thinking life was fair.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
JaMarcus received $38M, guaranteed.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:20 am
BSS,
we will see about DET. they are talented, it’s true … but the they didn’t upgrade all that much on D this year. i haven’t a doubt that DMC will light them up.
what will be tested is our DB’s … i don’t have to say why. i was at that game last year. still want to shoot myself.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:20 am
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!! im out guys.. later on nation!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:22 am
I for one am not butt-hurt that Palmer has thrown a few picks. That comes with the position. He’ll win us more games than picks this year. He’s a competitor and a leader. And when he gets DMoore back, he’ll have someone he can count on to catch the ball.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:25 am
Even if JaMark received $38M guaranteed his agent took 10%, the IRS took 35%, con artist investment schemes took another 30%. JaMark also lost $5M on foreclosed homes, and probably lost another 10% on “ho’s”, purple drank and hanger-ons.
By my calculation JaMark is nearly broke, and within a few short yrs will be insolvent. It’s actually better that he lose the money sooner than later since from whence he came, he’ll soon return.
JaMark is truly, going home.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:29 am
i’m glad u guys seem to slowly but surely see that i’m right about….well, just about everything.
1) cooper carlisle is a solid guard. sorry fellas, but it’s true. and barnes is ok too. they aren’t a problem.
2) gordon may be a decent receiver. if he is, he will be a nightmare, because he has great size and athleticism.
3) ford is suspect at wr. a few circus catches can’t change the fact that rod streater has already done more to show he’s a legit possession receiver.
4) reece is a horrible blocker. he was and is an oversized wr. he has no desire to block.
5) palmer will put up huge yardage and td’s this season, along with about 15 picks. i’m thinking 4800/28/15.
6) the DL is one of the best around. very active. i don’t like seymour missing practice all the time but he’s really good. so is kelly.
7) it was the LB’s stupid! see what a couple new guy who play aggressively can do? and burris isn’t even comfortable yet. but he’s light years ahead of where mcclain was in his rookie season, because he gets after it. he doesn’t always recognize and sometimes overshoots his angle, but he gives a sh!t and u can see him trying. mcclain is still sometimes good, sometimes sh!t.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:30 am
blackandsilverside Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:17 am
I said it last night: Saturday’s game with the Lion’s will be an extreme wake up call. You want to see talent on a defense, watch Detroit.
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Bet your man Carson can’t wait to kick Mr Suhs a$$.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:36 am
Wow…I was only off by $15 or $16 mil.Well that will keep him in codeine and catfish for a while longer.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:41 am
blackandsilverside so right…amazing how fast people coagulate around a large pile of dough.Big money and a poor young man are horrible combination.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:43 am
Rob….humility suits you dude.Agree with most of it though.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:48 am
twinkle–just playin’.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:50 am
i would love to see branch at FS and mitchell at SS.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:58 am
Rob…yeah ditto here but your DB switch may well happen.Pair of em bring it but maybe the missile up for blitzes is less problematic if he is blocked than it would be the other way around.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:02 am
The JaWalrus episode was one of the truly dark and sad ones for a sports franchise in history. It just came at a time when the Raiders had the #1 pick in the draft, and were in need of a big-time QB. Even so, I was still screaming for Megatron all the way up until the first pick was announced. Had we been at, say, #5 or #6, who’s to say what would’ve happened. But to have had the misfortune of both Gallery and #2 just four drafts apart, well – that’ll set you back a ways. We’re now in recovery – workin’ our way back, Nation. Bolster, baby!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:12 am
Raidertbone truth….people were ragging on Al for taking them but most other teams would have done the same thing.
Hell I thought SD got it right with R.Leaf so what would I know?And how in the hell can Indy get PM and AL back to back?
Where the hell was Mr Luck when we win 2 games in a season?
August 21st, 2012 at 1:29 am
Also, look at the Redskins drafting Heath Shuler #1 overall; and also the Browns and Tim Couch. I still laugh when I think about Akili Smith going #3 overall in his draft class.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:35 am
there’s not much to learn from Detroit, Blackandsilverside.
Draft franchise QB. Check.
Draft stud playmaker. Check.
That’s about all Detroit finally did right. Nothing earth-shattering.
Stafford/Megatron >>> Harrington/Charles Rogers.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:38 am
Al drafting Jamarcus was one of the few times Al went against his own motto of drafting the best player available (Adrian Peterson) and not drafting for need (QB position).
Did it with Gallery over Calvin Johnson and when he drafted Derrick Gibson after our safeties gave up the TD to Shannon Sharpe in the playoff game vs the Ravens.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:45 am
I’m not sure Seymour is completely done.
Overrated and overpaid ? Without a doubt.
I think we can rule out any extended periods of dominating or outstanding play from him.
However, I do expect him to play very well in short bursts. I believe he is still capable of turning it on and really exerting himself, but not for sustained periods. The tank is running low, but is probably not quite empty, just yet.
I think it was Marley, that pointed out that Seymour was the first player DA reached out to, in an effort to get him on board and provide some veteran leadership.
That Seymour responded by refusing to attend any of the non-mandatory OTA’s is pretty troubling.
This is a guy that’s gone from being the first to arrive at camp and traveling on a bus with the rookies, to someone that couldn’t be bothered to attend OTA’s. He also reportedly trained on his own in the offseason and spent little or no time at team facilities working out under the guidance of the strength and conditioning coaches.
Supposedly he showed up for camp 10 lbs lighter and in good shape. Guess at his age you’d have to assume he know’s what’s best for his body and certainly wouldn’t have gotten much, if anything, out of the non-mandatory OTA’s.
Still, it’s a bit disconcerting that the highest paid defensive player in the entire NFL, wouldn’t exhibit more of a commitment to the team and a willingness to help DA get things moving in the right direction.
15 million obviously doesn’t buy what it used to.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:12 am
Here is why 15 million doesn’t buy what it used to…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
August 21st, 2012 at 2:21 am
RAIDERMAN99…..good post….perhaps he’s not sold on the new regime yet either.He’s been a good captain and a pro.Doesn’t say much to the press,helped out during the lockout etc.
Been double teamed a lot and since it was the DT’s getting most of the pass pressure (pre Wimbley) it must have been tough on his body.Like I say I like the man but many here do not it seems.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:28 am
I like him but want more out of him…expect more out of him…
Not talk…but action….
Such as not taking a non padded practice off after performing like crap in the game…
He acts like it doesn’t matter…(and many would claim it doesn’t since it’s pre-season)…but his team mates see the special treatment and it doesn’t sit well with them….anyone who has played football would know this!
Factor is that his performance is down along with the fact that he is so handsomely paid leads toward resentment within the team….
Failure to discuss these issues internally among the team creates cracks that can turn into holes….
Seymour is a smart guy…he should realize that the new regime is only a strong as the ALPHA MALES who represent it…he is this person….and if he takes it easy….the team is going to follow….
If he continues to show the kind of effort as he did Friday night….he must be CUT….otherwise….his presence hurts the team….
PERIOD!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:31 am
Here is an example of what Seymour means to this team…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyPkUXGq1S0
Don’t mean to get all Religious on anyone!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:41 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:12 am
Here is why 15 million doesn’t buy what it used to…
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Interesting concept and persuasive to boot…great visuals.
Didn’t see the game I listened to it and the guys really didn’t mention his name.
I’ll check out you second link.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:57 am
backstage… that is uplifting stuff almost in the mold of Forrest Gump.Most people aren’t in that ballpark though and especially not millionaire athletes (generalization) and you can imagine why.Money gives you more options to go wrong.
We’ll all know in a few weeks.Thanks for the links.I’ll go back and watch a few more.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:09 am
Millionaire athletes are people too….it’s about finding what motivates them irregardless of money…this is a Coaches job….
I can guarantee they care about their self image….their reputations…
This is the trick…the rub….How do we get a Coach who makes a couple million dollars a year to motivate an athlete who makes 6 times what he does?
People think these guys can motivate themselves….and they can…for the most part….but a great coach will get more out of every player he comes in contact with….
If you use the amount of money players make than you are only creating an excuse….
Your selling that these types of principles don’t apply to pro athletes….I’m giving away information to the contrary…
August 21st, 2012 at 3:14 am
People do not buy what you do, they buy why you do it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4
August 21st, 2012 at 3:25 am
You may well be right.As you say it is a mindset but I wouldn’t have a clue what motivates millionaires.Don’t know any but my experience of watching many of em blow themselves and their dough off tells me that money has it’s own set of disciplines.
eg given a large amount = give it away again usually in a self destructive fashion a la jamarcus et al.Don’t have the discipline when poor how do you get it when sudden wealth shows up?
August 21st, 2012 at 3:40 am
Being a millionaire is not the same as thinking like one….
Just because someone has a million dollars doesn’t make them a millionaire….
You can make the money or the money can make you!
Lets be honest: None of the money is real anyways!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=398936983499956&set=a.277302565663399.66669.273477836045872&type=1&theater
August 21st, 2012 at 3:48 am
You are dead right.Someone told me that money has it’s own energy.I emigrated here from a socialist country and I attribute that to my own lack of motivation.The wife reckons I’m dead flat out lazy.Money may not be real but the effects of it seem to magnify a persons personality defects (for the want of a better phrase).
August 21st, 2012 at 3:51 am
What separated AL DAVIS from the rest on the NFL owners?
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww60/Cleaningoutmyhome/CIMG0632.jpg
He wanted to win. The other 31 owners are happy if they make a profit for their business….
We need players who not only want to win…..but are willing to pay the price it takes to PREPARE TO WIN!
Will the real Richard Seymour please stand up!
August 21st, 2012 at 4:02 am
Time for bed!
Good morning R8R Nation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL8HGv8B7pE
August 21st, 2012 at 4:05 am
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;
the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
– Churchill
Well we shall see in short order how Seymour,Palmer and the other two or three vets on the squad (that aren’t kickers)
stand up.DA sure has his work cut out for him but one of his problems ain’t going to be getting a plethora of vets on board.60 of the 88 that started camp are 25 or younger.
If that don’t temper high ideas as to playoffs etc I don’t know what will.Health is going to be the biggest factor I’m afraid.
August 21st, 2012 at 4:06 am
Me also…later Nation.
August 21st, 2012 at 5:20 am
Is the season over?
I thought that it didn’t even start yet.
August 21st, 2012 at 5:20 am
Augusta is no longer males only What a great day. That last bastion of male only bonding has been breached. No longer will men gather and be men without a women there to keep them in line.
This is a good thing, right?
Tigger said it was and other men are saying nice things.
Women are saying mean things like,
“they only did it because we made them, typical men”
“you still gotta be rich, betcha they dont let poor women in”
August 21st, 2012 at 5:50 am
1034 LMAO!
Good Morning Nation!
August 21st, 2012 at 5:53 am
People taking shots at Seymour still.
But last offseason, when I DARED to mention that who won the trade between us and the Pats has yet to be determined, it was about 99% of the people telling me to take a hike.
Perspective people!!!! You got to let things play itself out. We sill can be major winners or losers in that trade.
Seymour can help us win the division, or he can blow out his knee and we go 6-10. Time will tell.
August 21st, 2012 at 5:54 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
August 21st, 2012 at 5:55 am
I also see Mistic and Debo continuing their crusade.
Someone should ask them though, since they both spent the 2010 season completely blowing Mike Vick all year, why haven’t they said ANYTHING since he threw a mind-numbling stupid INT to end their playoff game, and basically turned the ball over at a Carson Palmer pace (1.4 turnovers per game, to Carson’s 1.6) last season?
August 21st, 2012 at 5:57 am
Anyone see that the Bears are favored 9.5 over the Colts week 1, gotta love it!lol
August 21st, 2012 at 5:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 5:55 am
I also see Mistic and Debo continuing their crusade.
Someone should ask them though, since they both spent the 2010 season completely blowing Mike Vick all year, why haven’t they said ANYTHING since he threw a mind-numbling stupid INT to end their playoff game, and basically turned the ball over at a Carson Palmer pace (1.4 turnovers per game, to Carson’s 1.6) last season?
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And Vick already got hurt last night, dude will never make it more than half a season.imo
August 21st, 2012 at 6:18 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 5:57 am
Anyone see that the Bears are favored 9.5 over the Colts week 1, gotta love it!lol
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Let me clarify, my money is on Andrew Luck to destroy the Bears.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:30 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!!
August 21st, 2012 at 6:32 am
What up Mike? Kinda quiet in the blog world this a.m.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:36 am
Good day nation! Any word on The Real Matty Ice playing this week? Will we finally see the debut of Caballero? I want to see if my boy is better than Pryor.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:37 am
Klas girlfriend bought Almond milk. WTF!? If Almond milk is milk, then Pryor is a legitimate QB.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:39 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:36 am
Good day nation! Any word on The Real Matty Ice playing this week? Will we finally see the debut of Caballero? I want to see if my boy is better than Pryor.
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What up Klas? I doubt if Caballero gets any playing time over TP, I just want our Oline to keep Suh away from Palmer, that dude hurts QB’s on purpose.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:40 am
If Suh hurts Palmer, Klas will personally travel to Detroit and administer some Swedish justice.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:41 am
Tonya Harding style!
August 21st, 2012 at 6:42 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:40 am
If Suh hurts Palmer, Klas will personally travel to Detroit and administer some Swedish justice.
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I will meet you there Klas, give Suh a Swedish/Texan stomp down for the ages.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
What’s up Mike, Tx, Klas, JFB…
I want to know…WTF was Wolfe doing in LA wearing Dodger blue when HIS A’s were home?
August 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
What’s up Mike, Tx, Klas, JFB…
I want to know…WTF was Wolfe doing in LA wearing Dodger blue when HIS A’s were home?
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I wished I knew diddly about baseball bro, but I’m no help there.lol
August 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
Hwnrdr, what is is like living in the sunlight all year long?
August 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
TX, where in the Lone Star state do you live?
August 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
TX, where in the Lone Star state do you live?
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I live in the land of the Alamo and West Nile virus!
August 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
Hwnrdr, what is is like living in the sunlight all year long?
LOL, I wish…I live in Cali now, about an hour from the O.Co.
But, pryor to 11 and a half years ago….it was great!
August 21st, 2012 at 6:49 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
Hwnrdr, what is is like living in the sunlight all year long?
LOL, I wish…I live in Cali now, about an hour from the O.Co.
But, pryor to 11 and a half years ago….it was great!
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I bet you had bikini babes apply suntan lotion to you everyday while you sipped drinks out of coconuts!
August 21st, 2012 at 6:50 am
Where Hwnrdr? I lived in Santa Rosa 7 years.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:51 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
TX, where in the Lone Star state do you live?
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I live in the land of the Alamo and West Nile virus!
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I have relatives who immigrated to Waco. They run a Swedish BBQ joint there.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:53 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:51 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
TX, where in the Lone Star state do you live?
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I live in the land of the Alamo and West Nile virus!
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I have relatives who immigrated to Waco. They run a Swedish BBQ joint there.
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What makes Swedish BBQ different that the TX style? There’s lots of Germans around SA also in the smaller towns, very good food.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:55 am
Good morning Raider Nation!
August 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
TX, Swedish BBQ was just a joke. I think my cousin sells insurance. It’s the boring.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
What’s good 666?
August 21st, 2012 at 6:57 am
LOL at complaining about play calling in PRESEASON.
I’m sure Knapp is showing everything we’ve got; you know, that would make sense.
I get the feeling most of the people that post in here are closet donkey fans with all the vitriol and hatred spewed toward actual Raiders.
August 21st, 2012 at 6:57 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
TX, Swedish BBQ was just a joke. I think my cousin sells insurance. It’s the boring.
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I figured that much, but a red-neck like myself will BBQ anything, even bologna.lol
August 21st, 2012 at 7:00 am
TX, you come to Sweden, I will cook you some BBQ Reindeer.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:02 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:50 am
Where Hwnrdr? I lived in Santa Rosa 7 years.
I live in the East Contra Costa County. A city named Oakley (like the shades). It’s right past Pittsburg, Antioch area. Before Brentwood!
August 21st, 2012 at 7:03 am
Klas dreams of moving to California someday and being Surfer boy porn star.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:03 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:49 am
Hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
Hwnrdr, what is is like living in the sunlight all year long?
LOL, I wish…I live in Cali now, about an hour from the O.Co.
But, pryor to 11 and a half years ago….it was great!
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I bet you had bikini babes apply suntan lotion to you everyday while you sipped drinks out of coconuts!
LOL…hey, more like applying lotion to the bikini babes!
August 21st, 2012 at 7:04 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:57 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
TX, Swedish BBQ was just a joke. I think my cousin sells insurance. It’s the boring.
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I figured that much, but a red-neck like myself will BBQ anything, even bologna.lol
LOL, I did that one before! Those old school think bologna where you have to strip the tape thingy off of it…
August 21st, 2012 at 7:05 am
You want Seymour to go all out in a non-padded practice when he’s nursing a sore knee? Yeah. That’s smart.
I know; let’s call him out for being a bum without regard to the fact that he’s a 10-year plus vet that’s nursing a knee; because the knee doesn’t need rest.
Seymour needs to play better than he has this season, I agree with that. However, calling him out for sitting out a non-padded practice when he has a sore knee and he’s a veteran who needs to rest his ailments? Come on man!
August 21st, 2012 at 7:10 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:50 am
Where Hwnrdr? I lived in Santa Rosa 7 years.
I live in the East Contra Costa County. A city named Oakley (like the shades). It’s right past Pittsburg, Antioch area. Before Brentwood!
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Right on Dude. My Dad used to work in Antioch. Now he lives in Petaluma. I love going to visit him cause I fly into Oakland and get emmersed in Silver and Black. I drive right passed the stadium on the way. It feels good to be that close, even if it’s only for a few days a year.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:11 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:00 am
TX, you come to Sweden, I will cook you some BBQ Reindeer.
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Nice, bet that’s some good eatin’. I live right near a deer haven, but they’re all white-tails.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:11 am
What’s good 666?
Everything is up right now the DOW S&P should be a good day to trade.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:12 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:04 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:57 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
TX, Swedish BBQ was just a joke. I think my cousin sells insurance. It’s the boring.
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I figured that much, but a red-neck like myself will BBQ anything, even bologna.lol
LOL, I did that one before! Those old school think bologna where you have to strip the tape thingy off of it…
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LMAO Pull off the red tape and throw those bad boys on a skillet, right up there with beanie weanie.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:13 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:11 am
What’s good 666?
Everything is up right now the DOW S&P should be a good day to trade.
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Nice, hope you make some good bread man. I’m leaning towards betting on a few games this year, but only the ones I feel are locks.lol
August 21st, 2012 at 7:14 am
Morning people.
According to Mark Purdy:
“Knapp listed three ways we’ll know if his game plan is working.
“One, if we are not having negative running plays,” he said.
“Two, if we’re not in third-and-long situations.
Three, if we’re getting explosive passing gains — and the barometer we use for that is 16 yards or more.”
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Saturday vs Detroit with starters playing into the 3rd quarter (supposedly) we can do some evaluating based on Knapp’s own words.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
We really need Wiz to play in the next game to keep Suh under control, best he can.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
How do you all bet? What sites do you use?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Saturday vs Detroit with starters playing into the 3rd quarter (supposedly) we can do some evaluating based on Knapp’s own words.
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Exactly, I think this coming game will be EXTREMELY telling of our future. We’ll get the best glimpse of our 2012 Raiders in this game.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
How do you all bet? What sites do you use?
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I have yet to bet on sports, but I found a UK site called Betvictor just to look at odds.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:19 am
By the way, Knapp (and every OC-Play-Caller) has a ton of tape on him from previous stints as OC, it’s not like the League is not familiar with his tendencies, he’s not waiting to unveil some ground-breaking Offensive system in week 1, obviously he’s holding back some stuff, but it’s not like he’s gonna knock the Chargers socks off on MNF.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
Klas bet some last year. Klas lost all his money. It is hard to bet on NFL. Too unpredictable.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
“I’m leaning towards betting on a few games this year, but only the ones I feel are locks.lol”
Me too I am not playing in 33 Fantasy leagues this year so I can focus on the point spreads every week.
I love parlays!
Klas you can use Oddsmaker dot com Bodog is no longer and what I had used in the past.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Saturday vs Detroit with starters playing into the 3rd quarter (supposedly) we can do some evaluating based on Knapp’s own words.
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Exactly, I think this coming game will be EXTREMELY telling of our future. We’ll get the best glimpse of our 2012 Raiders in this game.
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Yep, the key is to contain Megatron and keep Suh off of Palmer. We need Schmitt to pop Suh a few times up the middle imo.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:24 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
“I’m leaning towards betting on a few games this year, but only the ones I feel are locks.lol”
Me too I am not playing in 33 Fantasy leagues this year so I can focus on the point spreads every week.
I love parlays!
Klas you can use Oddsmaker dot com Bodog is no longer and what I had used in the past.
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Yeah two of my friends bet on every single game, pre-season or not lol. They’re pretty secretive about hooking folks up with their bookie, as they should be.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
Klas bet some last year. Klas lost all his money. It is hard to bet on NFL. Too unpredictable.
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Yeah it’s a quick way to lose money, just why I’ve hesitated to gamble. I’ll look for games where the spread is like 10 points over a decent team.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
“I’m leaning towards betting on a few games this year, but only the ones I feel are locks.lol”
Me too I am not playing in 33 Fantasy leagues this year so I can focus on the point spreads every week.
I love parlays!
Klas you can use Oddsmaker dot com Bodog is no longer and what I had used in the past.
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Thanks. I used Bodog last year. It was the parlays that killed me. There would always be one upset that blew my wad.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
666
At betvictor site they have the Bear -9.5 over the Colts week 1, do you think the Colts get beat that bad?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
Yep, the key is to contain Megatron and keep Suh off of Palmer. We need Schmitt to pop Suh a few times up the middle imo.
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Tall orders on both. I was watching Det / Bal last weekend for Sh*ts and giggles…… Megatron does two things (Makes DB’s look Stupid, and makes Stafford look F*ing Fantastic). Stafford could close his eyes and throw the ball up in the air, and Johnson would come down with it.
and Suh was BEATING double teams on the Reg….To have to Triple team ONE man is ludicrous..But he demands it time and again. Now they got Dirty boy Fairley. He’s just a scumbag. I’d be more likely to see him try to take out Palmer. F*ing Detroit man….Wanna avoid them altogether.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Straight up Parlays will kill you, grab the 6 point teaser and you can win consistently, you don’t make as much, but by the end of the season you can have a solid profit ready to pour into the Playoffs.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
Yep, the key is to contain Megatron and keep Suh off of Palmer. We need Schmitt to pop Suh a few times up the middle imo.
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Tall orders on both. I was watching Det / Bal last weekend for Sh*ts and giggles…… Megatron does two things (Makes DB’s look Stupid, and makes Stafford look F*ing Fantastic). Stafford could close his eyes and throw the ball up in the air, and Johnson would come down with it.
and Suh was BEATING double teams on the Reg….To have to Triple team ONE man is ludicrous..But he demands it time and again. Now they got Dirty boy Fairley. He’s just a scumbag. I’d be more likely to see him try to take out Palmer. F*ing Detroit man….Wanna avoid them altogether.
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I know man, can’t stand fkng Suh or Fairley one bit. If they go after Carson, then it’s fair game for MM and Branch to go after Mega.(meaning if they take cheap shots)
August 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
Klas will try and play it more conservative this year with his betting.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
Marley, what is a 6 point teaser?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:32 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Straight up Parlays will kill you, grab the 6 point teaser and you can win consistently, you don’t make as much, but by the end of the season you can have a solid profit ready to pour into the Playoffs.
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What exactly is the 6 point teaser? Excuse my ignorance, but is it a common bet?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:33 am
Jets waive t stephon heyer..
August 21st, 2012 at 7:34 am
TX, I googled 6 point teaser:
http://www.docsports.com/current/6-point-teasers.html
August 21st, 2012 at 7:36 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:10 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 6:50 am
Where Hwnrdr? I lived in Santa Rosa 7 years.
I live in the East Contra Costa County. A city named Oakley (like the shades). It’s right past Pittsburg, Antioch area. Before Brentwood!
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Right on Dude. My Dad used to work in Antioch. Now he lives in Petaluma. I love going to visit him cause I fly into Oakland and get emmersed in Silver and Black. I drive right passed the stadium on the way. It feels good to be that close, even if it’s only for a few days a year.
Cool! Funny is when I knew I was moving here, I didn’t realize how close the coliseul was gonna be from me…I was in heaven. Told my wife, as long as I am here, I’m going to the games. If we ever move back home, it will be too expensive!!!
August 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
“At betvictor site they have the Bear -9.5 over the Colts week 1, do you think the Colts get beat that bad?”
That is a lot.
Whats this site?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
Klas
Thanks for the link, sounds a bit complex, but I’m sure my friend will explain more to me if I call him. I will update as to any strategies he gives me.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
He looked like a solid backup last yr..
August 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
“At betvictor site they have the Bear -9.5 over the Colts week 1, do you think the Colts get beat that bad?”
That is a lot.
Whats this site?
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It’s called betvictor, believe it’s a UK site, but dude operates out of Gibraltar.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Stephon heyer..oline..raider talk…. anybody?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Stephon heyer..oline..raider talk…. anybody?
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Are you saying maybe Reg should bring him in as a back-up?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
“It’s called betvictor, believe it’s a UK site”
Yes its a UK site.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Stephon heyer..oline..raider talk…. anybody?
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he was my MUP last year !!
August 21st, 2012 at 7:50 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
“It’s called betvictor, believe it’s a UK site”
Yes its a UK site.
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Did you see the SB odds are 66/1 for the Raiders? Does this site look legit/trustworthy to you man?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Trying to steer the topic back to sports today, but yeah i yhink its worth kicking yhe tires.. he was pretty solid looking for us last yr.. dont know if he can play zone though.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:52 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Stephon heyer..oline..raider talk…. anybody?
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he was my MUP last year !!
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Should be a more quality backup than Barksdale right?
August 21st, 2012 at 7:53 am
Touchscreen..
August 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Trying to steer the topic back to sports today, but yeah i yhink its worth kicking yhe tires.. he was pretty solid looking for us last yr.. dont know if he can play zone though.
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If he can’t play zbs, he will have to learn since we need solid back-ups on that line.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Nobody likes wang…
August 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
Has the staff said whether Big Wiz will play Saturday or not?
August 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
“Did you see the SB odds are 66/1 for the Raiders? Does this site look legit/trustworthy to you man?”
Yeah but they will not allow US players.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:07 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
“Did you see the SB odds are 66/1 for the Raiders? Does this site look legit/trustworthy to you man?”
Yeah but they will not allow US players.
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Sorry man lol, I just looked at the odds, I’m a rook at betting. What about SB odds for Raids at the site you use?
August 21st, 2012 at 8:08 am
Bob Marley Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 7:19 am
By the way, Knapp (and every OC-Play-Caller) has a ton of tape on him from previous stints as OC, it’s not like the League is not familiar with his tendencies, he’s not waiting to unveil some ground-breaking Offensive system in week 1, obviously he’s holding back some stuff, but it’s not like he’s gonna knock the Chargers socks off on MNF.
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The way the Cardinals had the very lst play defensed (the stretch right, throw back left to Gordon) you would have thought THEY radioed that play in. Knapp may want to change it up a little.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:13 am
Knapp needs to steal hues most consistant & explosive plays fron last yr & sprinkle them in..
August 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I just hope that CP is free to change plays at the LOS against the Lions, if he sees the front 7 plotting schit.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:16 am
Early practice?
August 21st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Might be a 220 practice, haven’t seen any tweets yet..
August 21st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Cp3 is free.. i saw tp change a play to an inside run.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Might be a 220 practice, haven’t seen any tweets yet..
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I read that practice is at 11:00 today. cork is “OUT”, so Jerrymcd will be supplying tweets from sideline.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Might be a 220 practice, haven’t seen any tweets yet..
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I read that practice is at 11:00 today. cork is “OUT”, so Jerrymcd will be supplying tweets from sideline.
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Cool thanks man, I’ll hit up Jerry’s twitter when the time comes.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:52 am
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Cp3 is free.. i saw tp change a play to an inside run.
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I’d like to see Lonyae in there as a bruiser, let him run right at Suh and Fairley.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:55 am
Roget that Tx. I still don’t think DMAC should play any more than he did in the AZ game, and NONE against the Chickens. Maybe we’ll get a better look at McGee. We already know the Streater connection is solid.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:55 am
Roget that Tx. I still don’t think DMAC should play any more than he did in the AZ game, and NONE against the Chickens. Maybe we’ll get a better look at McGee. We already know the Streater connection is solid.
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Yeah man I can’t stand the way Suh and Fairley play, almost makes me wish suspended players couldn’t go in pre-season. If they take any cheap shots, I’m all for the D going after Mega or Stafford. I would really like DMAC to sit the remaining games to see if Goody can bounce back and check out Taiwan.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am
Yeah, maybe today we’ll hear the status of Taiwan
August 21st, 2012 at 9:08 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am
Yeah, maybe today we’ll hear the status of Taiwan
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Oh Taiwan is practicing so he’ll be ready, we really need Wiz out there.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am
TxRaider210 on Oddsmaker the Raiders are 75-1
August 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am
man, You notice Lamaar Houston these past few games? That dude is getting it done.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:15 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am
TxRaider210 on Oddsmaker the Raiders are 75-1
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Awesome, I’ll be a taker on that one, just a small bet though. Some of the odds makers on yahoo site have the Raiders at +11000 for SB.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:16 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am
man, You notice Lamaar Houston these past few games? That dude is getting it done.
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Hell yea man, been waiting on him to beast out, dude is 300 lbs of muscle.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:21 am
666
Has the Oddsmaker site been legit and prompt to pay, as far as your experience?
August 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Klas signed up for Oddsmaker. On his way to being a millionaire! 666, I won’t forget you when I am filthy rich.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
He’s been all over the place. In the ruckous, closing gaps, beating double teams, pressureing the qb, corraling RB’s for no gain or loss. The guy has been a havok machine so far. Hope he can maintain now with the rotational guys to releive him.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
He’s been all over the place. In the ruckous, closing gaps, beating double teams, pressureing the qb, corraling RB’s for no gain or loss. The guy has been a havok machine so far. Hope he can maintain now with the rotational guys to releive him.
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Yeah Houston is way too mean for a RT to handle alone, hope he’s all over Stafford in the next game. I also wouldn’t mind 55 layin’ the hat on mega, just as hard as he hit Witten.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:26 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Klas signed up for Oddsmaker. On his way to being a millionaire! 666, I won’t forget you when I am filthy rich.
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Way to go Klas, I’m gonna sign up when I get home, stuck on a DoD computer at work.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
MM34 has been getting in there too. One play against AZ, the RB stutter stepped and decided to go outside left. Mitchell darted in from the side and burried him in the mass of bodies. I swear the whole pile shifted about a foot. LOL
August 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Klas
If I get any tips or pointers from my friend who gambles, I’ll post on here what he’s doing, if the schit-bird will tell me.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Excellent blitz by Branch too. We need to see more of that.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
Thanks TX, you are the best! Hook ‘em Horns!
August 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
MM34 has been getting in there too. One play against AZ, the RB stutter stepped and decided to go outside left. Mitchell darted in from the side and burried him in the mass of bodies. I swear the whole pile shifted about a foot. LOL
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Yeah I remember that one, MM34 came to play this year it seems. I look for MM, Branch or 55 to level megatron early and often.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
Thanks TX, you are the best! Hook ‘em Horns!
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No problem man! I’ll run into my friend at the pub, and tell him stop being secretive and show a player how to gamble!
August 21st, 2012 at 9:35 am
“666
Has the Oddsmaker site been legit and prompt to pay, as far as your experience?”
I used it last year because Bodog was down and I only cashed in at the end of the season and left some money in there for poker. So yes I did get a check form them it took a while I think 4-6 weeks to get the money.
“Klas signed up for Oddsmaker. On his way to being a millionaire! 666, I won’t forget you when I am filthy rich.”
No problem Klas just send me your grandmothers secret recipe for swedish meatballs.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:36 am
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Yeah I remember that one, MM34 came to play this year it seems. I look for MM, Branch or 55 to level megatron early and often.
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Just gotta get him on a crossing route. He always seems to be streaking or going to the post…… that turd
August 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I used it last year because Bodog was down and I only cashed in at the end of the season and left some money in there for poker. So yes I did get a check form them it took a while I think 4-6 weeks to get the money.
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Cool man thanks for the info, wasn’t sure how the process worked.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
theghostronin79 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:36 am
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Yeah I remember that one, MM34 came to play this year it seems. I look for MM, Branch or 55 to level megatron early and often.
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Just gotta get him on a crossing route. He always seems to be streaking or going to the post…… that turd
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Yeah I know, mega is big and fast for sure. I want to see Branch or MM all over mega as soon as Bartell hands him off.lol
August 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Saw Sapp( pudd) this morning making the talk show circut… His nervous Laugh is obnoxious…. You could say ” doorknob” and he’d do that stupid laugh…. Don’t concider him a former Raider… Fk him
August 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Off to lunch gents, holla at ya’ll in a few
August 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Tx and 666, I’ve seen some bad things about that site on the internet. Says it is tough to get your money.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:49 am
1147.fingers Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Saw Sapp( pudd) this morning making the talk show circut… His nervous Laugh is obnoxious…. You could say ” doorknob” and he’d do that stupid laugh…. Don’t concider him a former Raider… Fk him
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Right after Al’s death it was fashionable to say you knew him and Sapp was playing that up. He actually referred to him as “Mr. Davis”..called him a “legend” etc. and said alot of good things about him, but the last thing he’s wanted is to have his “legacy” as a player associated with his time with Oakland.
If you suck for any reason just blame Al.
See-Jamarcus Russell.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
“Tx and 666, I’ve seen some bad things about that site on the internet. Says it is tough to get your money.”
It took almost 6 weeks to get my money last year in February when I withdrew it.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:53 am
Yep… That’s why Sapps jerseys are oil rags now…
August 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
1117.TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I just hope that CP is free to change plays at the LOS against the Lions, if he sees the front 7 plotting schit.
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Ha. I don’t why I find that last line so funny; it’s just a great analogy.
I can hear Gruden on MNF…”You can see right there that the Giants are plotting schytt”.
August 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
1117.TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I just hope that CP is free to change plays at the LOS against the Lions, if he sees the front 7 plotting schit.
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Ha. I don’t why I find that last line so funny; it’s just a great analogy.
I can hear Gruden on MNF…”You can see right there that the Giants are plotting schytt”.
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LOL I say that since the Lions play dirty, may have to fight fire with fire to beat `em.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Tx and 666, I’ve seen some bad things about that site on the internet. Says it is tough to get your money.
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Yeah just depends if you want to wait 6 weeks for the winnings, I may have to try a local person in the city that my friend uses.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
“Yeah just depends if you want to wait 6 weeks for the winnings, I may have to try a local person in the city that my friend uses.”
For me that works because I will make a large deposit fist of September and leave the money in there until February then pull it out.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
1154.TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
1117.TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I just hope that CP is free to change plays at the LOS against the Lions, if he sees the front 7 plotting schit.
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Ha. I don’t why I find that last line so funny; it’s just a great analogy.
I can hear Gruden on MNF…”You can see right there that the Giants are plotting schytt”.
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LOL I say that since the Lions play dirty, may have to fight fire with fire to beat `em.
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Yeah. Lions and Saints seem to be the dirtiest teams in the league.
That Schwartz guy is an angry little man.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Sapp tried to explain a strange conspiracy theory tohoward stern yesterday.. they made up failed tests for pot & coke so that the jags & panthers had a reasonable exuse not to take the best player in football.. nobody could figure out wtf fuk he was talking about…
August 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
“Yeah just depends if you want to wait 6 weeks for the winnings, I may have to try a local person in the city that my friend uses.”
For me that works because I will make a large deposit fist of September and leave the money in there until February then pull it out.
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Yeah bro that sounds like the most logical way to do it, I might use them for futures and a local guy for weekly stuff.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
That Schwartz guy is an angry little man.
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LOL I want to punch that guy everytime I see him on TV, Harbaugh should have last year.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
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666
Do you know if any of these are legit and allow US players?
August 21st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Slow day in here huh?
Who’s going to the game on Saturday?
August 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
I’m going to the MNF opener
This Saturday my birthday so I hope the boys played well and pull it out.
August 21st, 2012 at 10:53 am
Huff will be back on the field, lil wiz prob not, and Taiwan will get some action.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:04 am
I finally got to watch the ARZ game, man I really think it’s just going to be another long year for Raider fans.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Why is that buck?
August 21st, 2012 at 11:13 am
raiderinparadise Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
I’m going to the MNF opener
This Saturday my birthday so I hope the boys played well and pull it out.
Cool, possibly see you there?
August 21st, 2012 at 11:14 am
I will be around the MNF game. sitting in the suites tho
August 21st, 2012 at 11:25 am
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Raiders go into regular-season media mode today at 11 a.m. _ practices closed with exception of stretching, warmups, a drill or two . .
August 21st, 2012 at 11:28 am
SaintKaufman Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Why is that buck?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Allow me:
-Palmer threw 36 INTs in 26 games, abd then hr threw 2 INTs in 3 quarters, but don’t worry, it’s preseason.
-Knapp is the OC, his teams ranked in the 20’s in scoring his last 4 years as OC, our 1st team struggled to score, but don’t worry, it’s preseason.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am
HWNRDR WHAT TIME U ROLLING IN SATURDAY?
August 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am
And*
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August 21st, 2012 at 11:34 am
Knapp had 2 good years as an oc (top 10 in scoring with 2 HOF WRs, and one of them wasn’t happy with his play calling), 3 years were avg, and 4 years below avg.
I think people have a reason to be concerned about Knapp and his play calling.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:35 am
Preseason is for individule personnel appraisal … If your judging the Raiders on these two preseason games as a team you’re making a huge mistake…..preseason is a prep for the regular season…heard this on sirius nfl yesterday…… The Raiders are gonna be fine…
I’ve got faith in our coaching and Managment …… The Raiders are trying to plug holes right now and look for the right players…..not a time to worry…
August 21st, 2012 at 11:37 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am
HWNRDR WHAT TIME U ROLLING IN SATURDAY?
We should be rolling in at 11.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:40 am
HWNRDR,SAME HERE.THATS IF ALL GO’S AS PLANNED.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:42 am
When we get in, I’ll do like last year and just text you, B, DMAC, and whoever else where we are at. Can’t wait!!!
August 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
DHB and Lionheart back practicing today, Parsons filling in for Wiz still.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:45 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
DHB and Lionheart back practicing today, Parsons filling in for Wiz still.
That is what scares me…I hope Wiz can make it back soon!
August 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:45 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
DHB and Lionheart back practicing today, Parsons filling in for Wiz still.
That is what scares me…I hope Wiz can make it back soon!
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If not man, they need to bull-rush Schmitt as a lead-blocker into Suh’s face all game.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
Raider O Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:34 am
Knapp had 2 good years as an oc (top 10 in scoring with 2 HOF WRs, and one of them wasn’t happy with his play calling), 3 years were avg, and 4 years below avg.
I think people have a reason to be concerned about Knapp and his play calling.
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Again, look at the personnel. On his last trip through the east bay, Knapp was stuck with possibly the worst quarterback in NFL history (JaPaycheck). Hard for anyone to do well with that slug behind center. And in Seattle, he had no running game and a WAY over-the-hill Hasselbeck at QB.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:45 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
DHB and Lionheart back practicing today, Parsons filling in for Wiz still.
That is what scares me…I hope Wiz can make it back soon!
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If not man, they need to bull-rush Schmitt as a lead-blocker into Suh’s face all game.
That I can deal with
August 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am
“Oakland Raiders roster hopeful Carl Ihenacho shows pass rushing prowess”
Oh well, I guess we have to rely on these question mark dudes unitl we finally start getting our Draft Picks and cap-space back from the trades and contracts of the previous regime.
August 21st, 2012 at 11:55 am
Code Question Mark 2012
August 21st, 2012 at 11:58 am
QB – Carson Palmer
- Matt Leinart
- Terrelle Pryor
RB – Darren McFadden
- Taiwan Jones
- Mike Goodson
FB – Marcel Reece
- Owen Schmitt
WR – Denarius Moore
WR – Darrius Heyward-Bey
- Jacoby Ford
- Rod Streater
- Juron Criner
- Eddie McGee**
TE – Brandon Meyers
- David Ausberry
- Richard Gordon
LT – Jared Veldheer
LG – Cooper Carlisle
C – Stephen Wisniewski
RG – Mike Brisiel
RT – Khalif Barnes
- Tony Bergstrom
- Alex Parsons
- Joseph Barksdale**
DE – Matt Shaughnessy
DT – Richard Seymour
DT/NT – Tommy Kelly
DE – Lamar Houston
- Desmond Bryant
- Dave Tollefson
- Jack Crawford
- Christo Bilukidi
- Dominique Hamilton**
OLB – Phillip Wheeler
MLB – Rolondo McClain
OLB – Aaron Curry [PUP]
- Miles Burris
- Nathan Stupar
- Travis Goethel**/Carl Ihenacho**
- Kaelin Burnett**
CB – Ron Bartell
CB – Shawntae Spencer
FS – Michael Huff
SS – Tyvon Branch
- Demarcus Van Dyke
- Chimdi Chekwa
- Pat Lee
- Bryan McCann/B.Underwood/C.Taylor/A.Henry
- Mike Mitchell
- Matt Giordano
P – Shane Lechler
K – Sebastian Janikowski
LS – Jon Condo
** = on the bubble
August 21st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:45 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
DHB and Lionheart back practicing today, Parsons filling in for Wiz still.
That is what scares me…I hope Wiz can make it back soon!
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If not man, they need to bull-rush Schmitt as a lead-blocker into Suh’s face all game.
That I can deal with
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It’d be sweet to send Gordon in motion a lot, then BAMM right in Suh’s grill!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Code Ginger
August 21st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I think Ci53 should be off the bubble.. he’s done well. And we’re thin at lb/edge rush.. he has gotten in the backfield a few times at ilb olb & de..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Raider O Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:28 am
SaintKaufman Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Why is that buck?
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Allow me:
-Palmer threw 36 INTs in 26 games, abd then hr threw 2 INTs in 3 quarters, but don’t worry, it’s preseason.
-Knapp is the OC, his teams ranked in the 20’s in scoring his last 4 years as OC, our 1st team struggled to score, but don’t worry, it’s preseason.
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Excuse me O, I was talking to Buck!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Lol@code Ginger….
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I think Ci53 should be off the bubble.. he’s done well. And we’re thin at lb/edge rush.. he has gotten in the backfield a few times at ilb olb & de..
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I think he makes it, but at this point its too soon to assume.
Ive said before Dennis Allen sees him as a Joe Mays type.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“BOVADAdotnet SBGGLOBALdotcom BETONLINEdotag 5dimesdoteu”
Not sure TxRaider210
Let me check.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I think Ci53 should be off the bubble.. he’s done well. And we’re thin at lb/edge rush.. he has gotten in the backfield a few times at ilb olb & de..
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Endorsed, I think this guy can be a very good back-up and ST player.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Code Ginger in full effect!!!!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“BOVADAdotnet SBGGLOBALdotcom BETONLINEdotag 5dimesdoteu”
Not sure TxRaider210
Let me check.
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It’s all good man, I can check from home later, just can’t access those sites from work.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Vic tweeted earlier that Curry and Moore were working out on the side-lines.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Lol.. Gotta have a jersey made with “Code Ginger” on the back … Too funny…..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Wiz is my biggest concern at this point.
Ford being hurt makes McCann more likely to make the roster..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Everybody agrees “it’s just preseason”…than why is this blog so down in the dumps about the beloved Raiders?
August 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Wiz is my biggest concern at this point.
Ford being hurt makes McCann more likely to make the roster..
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Good thing he’s tough, played hurt all of last year, so he should be out there come week 1.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
O dog !!! whats up my GreenParty brother ??
how the hell ya been doing ??
August 21st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Everybody agrees “it’s just preseason”…than why is this blog so down in the dumps about the beloved Raiders?
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I’ll be drinkin’ the kool-aid all the way to the big dance!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I’ll speak for myself and not entire blog when I say I just was hoping for better…Even tho it’s “just preseason” and all that.
All that talk about camp and how everybody looked so great and then we have a chance to see them actually play and…well u know the rest.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:16 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Raider O Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:28 am
SaintKaufman Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Why is that buck?
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Allow me:
-Palmer threw 36 INTs in 26 games, abd then hr threw 2 INTs in 3 quarters, but don’t worry, it’s preseason.
-Knapp is the OC, his teams ranked in the 20’s in scoring his last 4 years as OC, our 1st team struggled to score, but don’t worry, it’s preseason.
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Excuse me O, I was talking to Buck!
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I needed an excuse to vent SaintMcGiver, and I didn’t mean to interrupt your conversation.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:16 pm
“Wiz is my biggest concern at this point.
Ford being hurt makes McCann more likely to make the roster..”
So true the Wiz is needed back ASAP!!!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:16 pm
DJ,
I think the whole internet/social splooging of the last decade has turned most folk and certainly brought out all of the cynical, whiny everything sucks attitude with everybody.
Kinda sad. The sky is always falling, all of the time….no matter what!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Not down in the dumps here… Just my Impression but I think we’re winning the Afc west and palmers gonna have a great year …and our DLine might be one of the best in the Nfl this year…. My only question is at the corners and hope the injurys don’t linger …
August 21st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Just kiddin with you O, don’t even know who Buck is. Uncle Buck, I know him!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Tx. I’m drinkin’ it too. I just wanna see something out of this offense.
Also, I want Reggie to spend that 7 million.
I don’t see how he can complain about how much his hands are tied financially cuz of the cap and now that he is well under it….he doesn’t do anything with it.
Maybe he will but we have some needs and I think it requires more than just guys who aren’t good enough to play for other teams..which is what everybody says he’s holding that $$$ for.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
ODB!!!
What’s up with you. You are not posting as much as you used to. I hope all is well.
Man….. I went to the beach yesterday but I took sand with me. I don’t recommend it, but the fam had a good time.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Depth… Is also a question.. But it’s what all the teams deal with……it’s a team sport so the next guy up has to fill the holes …. The regulars won’t even play aginst the Seagulls…. The other Afc west teams are saying the samethings were seeing in here… It’s normal … Raiders will be fine ..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Tx. I’m drinkin’ it too. I just wanna see something out of this offense.
Also, I want Reggie to spend that 7 million.
I don’t see how he can complain about how much his hands are tied financially cuz of the cap and now that he is well under it….he doesn’t do anything with it.
Maybe he will but we have some needs and I think it requires more than just guys who aren’t good enough to play for other teams..which is what everybody says he’s holding that $$$ for.
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Yeah I know what you mean bro, he has to have his eyes on a few guys he knows will be cut from good teams. If not, maybe he goes after a veteran like Plax, if our WR’s don’t hold their own.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Again, look at the personnel. On his last trip through the east bay, Knapp was stuck with possibly the worst quarterback in NFL history (JaPaycheck). Hard for anyone to do well with that slug behind center. And in Seattle, he had no running game and a WAY over-the-hill Hasselbeck at QB.
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I know, I heard those excuses before, but look at teams like Denver and Miami. They had good OCs that made chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Wow, for the first time EVER I have a post ‘awaiting moderation’. Feel like a troublemaker gangster!! Here’s what I posted but I used the horrible B word.
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It’s funny about the whole Palmer ‘discussion’. When I was a kid and watched Stabler those years with Oakland he was throwing picks at a clip of about 1 per beer. Difference was people would complain about it and then say he’ll get ‘em on this next one and would encourage him to just throw it up. It was fun, win or lose.
Now, everybody demands the robot HOF player at every position and I think have forgotten how to just have fun watching these athletes do crazy things, win or lose.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Johnny
Reg also may be looking at a few young kids he wanted to draft in the later rounds, but he knows may be cut and will fit DA’s system.idk
August 21st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Considering how hamstrung Reggie was when he first took over, I feel pretty good right now. Sure, we’ve posted two preseason losses, but we’re still progressing. There’s a lot of young talent on both sides of the ball, and we’re only about a year away from being shed of the Seymour contract – don’t get me wrong, I’m not a hater – just think we’ll be okay on the other side. This is a make-or-break year for DMac – if he breaks down again, he’s done. I think we need to draft a good QB next year (if one is available) and “meat up” along the defensive front. The only real move of question I have, so far, is getting rid of Louis Murphy — everything else, I’m willing to ride out and trust the judgment of the GM. I don’t care what happens against Detroit, as long as there are no major injuries and the final score is not something like 62-10.
Raider on, my brothers and sisters!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I’m guilty of some of the same cynicism and “woe is me”..or “us” but i’m trying to be fair on both ends.
The defense looks real good right now where we stand.
I believe that preseason is a harbinger for alot of what we’ll see in the reg season. It happened last yr. The stuff we saw exposed in preseason came true in reg.
We didn’t magically flip the switch and begin stopping the run…OR pass in reg season. On flip side of that the offense looked pretty good in preseason, and THAT came true.
A shame if the offense takes 3 steps back cuz of Knapp and this “new system”. That would really suck…especially if the D is as good as they appear to me.
How about the offense stays the same and the D improves?
Sounds good to me.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Obviously Hue and Knapp have 2 totally different philosophies about offense. Hue and Palmer would have been pretty dynamic because he liked to call alot of high risk ‘trick’ plays whereas Knapp will be very conservative and play field position most of the time. I expect a slight decrease in yards/game from the offense, but Palmer will still strike when the chance is there. Chance is the key word.
Allen will love putting the game on the defense and I think that’s where we are headed. BTW, this philosophy works very well for other teams so don’t freak out.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Kind of interesting, or better said “weird” in a way that Greg Papa would say that Seymour is overrated while talking with Sapp.
I wish Seymour would hear that and use it as motivation.
Apparently Sapp said that he’s still waiting for Seymour to take over a game. Tuff words, but it’s true.
Everything Seymour does seems to be stuff that we don’t see. Or becuz we don’t see it, “we don’t know football” according to some.
I’m sorry, but all the high impact defensive guys do stuff that you can see.
Sapp is right. When has Seymour ever just taken over a game? But “he draws double coverage and you idiots don’t see that”.
The high impact players in the league have a highlight reel you can look at that shows their “impact”.
I don’t get on him too much cuz everyone tells me how great he is and I have to take their word for it.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
DJ,
I think we were undefeated in the 2006 preseason and looked pretty good while doing it.
Then……………….ugh. Which led to……………….Jamarcus Russell!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
LOL Saint.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Raider O Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I know, I heard those excuses before, but look at teams like Denver and Miami. They had good OCs that made chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.
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Very few OCs can do that consistently, and they usually end up with HC jobs. Knapp will produce well when he has good solid offensive personnel, and he has that now. He did NOT have that last time here.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
DHB back at practice. Good.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
At this point , since we have a new system and Managment , I’m giving Allen and Reggie and the coaching staff total benefit of doubt ..till they give me reason to question them… For me and only me ,, what any coachs did before while Al was alive is irrelevant …I don’t care what happened before… I’m only interested in now..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
#1215,
St. Kaufman.
Brett Favre comes to mind in what you say. Fun to watch.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
fingers Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
At this point , since we have a new system and Managment , I’m giving Allen and Reggie and the coaching staff total benefit of doubt ..till they give me reason to question them… For me and only me ,, what any coachs did before while Al was alive is irrelevant …I don’t care what happened before… I’m only interested in now..
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I’ll drink to that!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:48 pm
1224.Dakota Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
DHB back at practice. Good.
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Yes. That is VERY GOOD.
Hopefully it means we won’t be starting two rookies on opening night MNF.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:49 pm
lol lol O.
All is good here , just busy as a two peckered billy goat in a sheep heard at work latley.
as Dave would say … slinging that Japanese plastic !!
hows the job hunt and no smoking going ??
August 21st, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Al had a heavy hand in everything… So now everything is gonna be diffrent… I think we’ve got some good ball to look forward to…I haven’t felt this good about my Sunday’s in more than a decade ..
August 21st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Exactly DJ.
It sounds like some folk would rather have the ultra conservative qb that would plod us down to the 45 to set up a punt. I say screw that, launch that mother and let’s score some points!!
August 21st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
We won’t know what we have with this team until they start playing games that actually count. The offense I think has more talent that any other team in the division
and the defense doesn’t have Al Davis for D coordinator for the first time in decades. It should be interesting to find out.
August 21st, 2012 at 12:54 pm
still looking for that son of a b1tch who poured a 12 pack of Miller lite down my throat last night. if and when i find him i am going to kick his azz !!!! lol lol
August 21st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raider koolaid…:agree
August 21st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
When you find him Mike, send him my way with some Bud Light Platinum!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Fingers, no more prevent D in 2 minute situations where we’re up by 2.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Sullivan… Yep… I always hated that… It burned us everytime
August 21st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
lol Hwnrdr, will do !!!
just sux having to get up early and go to work !!!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Knapp still leaves us in too many 3rd and long situations for my taste. A lot of gambles on 1st and 2nd. Maybe he thinks Al’s still up there.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Call up heyer reg. We need some oline depth..
August 21st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
The best thing about the WCO is the 2nd, 3rd and short situations. It’s the base of that offense. Knapp seems like he’s running a hybrid, gambling version of the WCO. You can’t do that. The two philosophies are mutually exclusive. Move the chains. Start taking the deep plays when the D gives them to you.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
I’m wiping Knapps slate clean for now…. At least till he gives me reason to question him in the regular season….
August 21st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I think because of the past decade of football we have all seen as raider fans is the reason fans are so quick to say “here we go” and start to doubt the team. But we have to realize is those days are over guys finally. We made it through the bad times and we are still here (some of us) but now is the time to conduct ourselves as fans who know our team is on the rise ans right there at the doorstep of a SB.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Eastoak… Think you’re right….. We’ve been use to saying ” here we go again”… I know I’ve said that to many times
August 21st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Funny how the most questionable coaching staff hire… KNAPP is also the most questioned coaching staff member now that were playing games.
bad hire. obvious to us. Saunders would of had this offense rolling.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Who the heck wants to roll-out Carson Palmer, boots? omg. wowwwwwwwwww. All a team needs to do is blitz weak-side and if they take the right chance its CP3 with a LB with a full-sprint at him just as he turns his head. ugh.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
lol Hwnrdr, will do !!!
just sux having to get up early and go to work !!!
I hear ya!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:49 pm
lol lol O.
All is good here , just busy as a two peckered billy goat in a sheep heard at work latley.
as Dave would say … slinging that Japanese plastic !!
hows the job hunt and no smoking going ??
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Lmao
I miss smoking bro. I miss weed, I miss my bong, and I miss being high. Everything is better when you are high on weed. lol The good thing is I’m losing weight, and i’m clean so now I can get a job. I have a few offers, but I’m not Intetested. I get a lot of offers for sales, int’l logistics, and entry level management positions.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I won’t say that Knapp is a bad hire. I would say that Saunders and Palmer are better ‘matched’ because Saunders is more of a downfield attacking offense.
I think most will be surprised when Palmer is throwing 15-20 yard crosses and digs, let alone just ripping 50 yarders!
The BIG question is STILL the TE position. That leads me to Reece. What is Knapp gonna do with Reece?? I vote they use hime 80/20, TE/FB.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
dont worry O when you are ready to start smoking again they will make more !!!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I’m just hoping that Knapp has just been running a very vanilla offense and will uncork it against San Diego and Miami (two teams we should really be able to make hay against). Just hoping for a decent showing in the last two preseason games – get Moore some work, season the O-line a little, no injuries to DMac, and settle in with the linebacking corps. I’m looking very forward to the San Diego Monday nighter.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Well SaintKaufman …
I dig, but the ZBS is ok, but the roll-out/boot game is not what a 32 yr old QB like Carson needs be doing, his strenghts are play-action in the pocket, throwing the ball downfield. The intermediate stuff is exciting to let our WR run with the ball, BUT CP3 locks eyes onto the shorts routes, just watch him. Nervous.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I gotta Take Palmer at his word…. Says he’s really excited about this offense and where it’s headed….. I’m going with that…. He didn’t have to say anything…
August 21st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Raider O Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I know, I heard those excuses before, but look at teams like Denver and Miami. They had good OCs that made chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.
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Very few OCs can do that consistently, and they usually end up with HC jobs. Knapp will produce well when he has good solid offensive personnel, and he has that now. He did NOT have that last time here.
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You have more faith in Knapp than I do bro.
I’m not judging Knapp based on his time here,, but look at his entire career as OC.
1- out of 9 years as OC, he only had 2 good years with SF when they had 2 HOF WRs, and the rest of his career is avg and below avg.
2- the guy was demoted to QB coach for a reason, and he spent the last years as a QB coach. Good coordinators get promoted like you said, but they don’t get demoted for 2 years.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I think it’s just taking Palmer a little longer to get back into true football shape than he originally thought it would; that, plus, he was still getting used to the “Hue way” when it was ripped out from underneath him. New system now = better (imo).
August 21st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
lol and dont forget O to put on your resume that you are the GreenParty vice president !! that alone should open all kinds of doors for you !!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
PM PARTY PATROL IN FULL EFFECT
Yo, PMPP members SOUND OFF
The Beeeech Diggity is getting hella baked right now on some home grown Venice skunk weed.
The trippy old broad with huge fake melons grows her own in her basement, all I gotta let her do is tug on the Beeech Lawg for 10 mins for an 8th
In the hip hop game, that’s what’s called a “pretty sweet deal”
Yo, gonna get my swerve on (meaning totally beat off) to some Miley Cyrus today, got LOL cranking on Blu Ray
Brahs nothing gets The Lawg stiffer than Miley texting her friends in those Daisy Dukes
SHOUT OUT TO KOOL MO DEE, ON THE SHIZZLE
August 21st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Yes he does Paradise. A lot of them do. Palmer gets himself in trouble cause he thinks he fit a football into a toilet bowl from 75 yards! Over confident?? Maybe.
Too bad we have a 6′5″ 235lb wonder-athlete standing on the sidelines wasting away when we have a real need for a tall wonder-athlete at the TE position. He’ll regret his decision when he sees how much guys like Gronk and Graham are going to get paid!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Mr. Dawg, do you have a website to display your dope jams? Sweden can’t get enough of your Hasselhoff vibe.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Andre Carter getting a look at Raiders practice..
August 21st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
dont worry O when you are ready to start smoking again they will make more !!!
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LOL
I’m going to give it a few more months, and then I will consider working abroad again or doing my MBA full time. I’m getting good offers from abroad, but I can increase/ double my income if I become a CPA (certified public accountant), and I’m not a fan of accounting.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Kind of interesting, or better said “weird” in a way that Greg Papa would say that Seymour is overrated while talking with Sapp.
I wish Seymour would hear that and use it as motivation.
Apparently Sapp said that he’s still waiting for Seymour to take over a game. Tuff words, but it’s true.
Everything Seymour does seems to be stuff that we don’t see. Or becuz we don’t see it, “we don’t know football” according to some.
I’m sorry, but all the high impact defensive guys do stuff that you can see.
Sapp is right. When has Seymour ever just taken over a game? But “he draws double coverage and you idiots don’t see that”.
The high impact players in the league have a highlight reel you can look at that shows their “impact”.
I don’t get on him too much cuz everyone tells me how great he is and I have to take their word for it.
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Here, I will give you an example. On the play that resulted last game in a safety, their Q dropped back. Seymour kind of knew where he was, but could not see him. So he threw the Olineman into Kolb which caused Kolb to stumble back and someone jumped on Kolb and got credit for the actual safety. But Seymour made that play.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Andre Carter getting a look at Raiders practice..
Who’s that?
August 21st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Andre Carter getting a look at Raiders practice..
Who’s that?
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Former 49er, Redskin, Patriot..
DE/OLB
August 21st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“bad hire. obvious to us. Saunders would of had this offense rolling.”
I agree with this and I am still holding out hope that this system will work when it counts.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Tp.. idk.. whats to keep? 2 yrs away from looking like a good rookie.. nice gamble, but a bust..
August 21st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Brahs, here’s some great news about all the meat slappin’ I’ve been doing the past few weeks -
The Beeeech Lawg has been stretched another .5 inches
‘Lil Homie is now clocking in at 11.3 inches, should reach the 1 ft goal by United Nations Day
Gonna probably celebrate by hooking up with Miley. The Certified Platinum Posse is already in contact with her people
Yo, you gots to have goals, word
HOLLA BACK
August 21st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Thanks DAV!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Id rather look at carter than merrian.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
lol and dont forget O to put on your resume that you are the GreenParty vice president !! that alone should open all kinds of doors for you !!
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LMAO
-Employer: I dee you are a member of the green party, is that an environmental group/ org?
-me: oh no, it’s a group of stoners who are Raiders fans.
-Employet: I see, thank you, and ………… Have a good day. Don’t call us if we don’t call you.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Lights out is burned out!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Andre Carter made the Pro Bowl last year..
But tore his quad in December..
August 21st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Raider O Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
lol and dont forget O to put on your resume that you are the GreenParty vice president !! that alone should open all kinds of doors for you !!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
-Employer: I dee you are a member of the green party, is that an environmental group/ org?
-me: oh no, it’s a group of stoners who are Raiders fans.
-Employet: I see, thank you, and ………… Have a good day. Don’t call us if we don’t call you.
Well, O…isn’t weed part of teh environment? Like Smoky said on Friday…it was grown from the earth for me and you!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Andre Carter made the Pro Bowl last year..
But tore his quad in December..
OUCH! Who’d he play for last year? Niners?
August 21st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
As far as TP goes:
I am confused as to what he is working so hard on?
If he had any sense he would hang about 10 tires from some trees in a back yard somewhere and work on throwing those balls through the tires as even little kids do.
So if your working out lifting weights that is not going to do you any good as a QB what could they be talking about as to TP is working hard.
He needs to work hard on his throws not his speed or his athletic ability. If I were TP I would throw 300 balls a day at tires or targets and forget the other stuff.
He has everything except the ability to throw the ball.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
See*
Employer*
August 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Streater replacing Ford for DET game per Dennis Allen.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Need to look at stephon heyer next
August 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
LMAO !!!
time for me to make like a baby and “head out” !!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Andre Carter made the Pro Bowl last year..
But tore his quad in December..
OUCH! Who’d he play for last year? Niners?
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Pats..
Had 4 sacks in a game vs the Jets, a NE record.
August 21st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Kind of interesting, or better said “weird” in a way that Greg Papa would say that Seymour is overrated while talking with Sapp.
I wish Seymour would hear that and use it as motivation.
Apparently Sapp said that he’s still waiting for Seymour to take over a game. Tuff words, but it’s true.
Everything Seymour does seems to be stuff that we don’t see. Or becuz we don’t see it, “we don’t know football” according to some.
I’m sorry, but all the high impact defensive guys do stuff that you can see.
Sapp is right. When has Seymour ever just taken over a game? But “he draws double coverage and you idiots don’t see that”.
The high impact players in the league have a highlight reel you can look at that shows their “impact”.
I don’t get on him too much cuz everyone tells me how great he is and I have to take their word for it.
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Here, I will give you an example. On the play that resulted last game in a safety, their Q dropped back. Seymour kind of knew where he was, but could not see him. So he threw the Olineman into Kolb which caused Kolb to stumble back and someone jumped on Kolb and got credit for the actual safety. But Seymour made that play.
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Kinda funny he is supposedly known for being a run stopper and not a pass blocker…
Same game…running directly at him….he was pushed 3 yards back into the end zone…TD Cardinals….and NO…he wasn’t double teamed…..and rarely is anymore…just watch the tape…
The eye in the sky don’t lie!
August 21st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
@saintkaufman, yeah ….. very true. Pryor’s value might diminish at QB fast, he may be asked to play TE like a Jermichael Finley or be gone.
Andre Carter working out?
August 21st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Pass Rusher…oops!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
“Gotta stay low key…if it works out, God willing” – Andre Carter on signing with Raiders
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Say what you want about Seymour but he blocked 2 FG’s to beat chiefs on road and keep playoff dreams alive.
T. Kelly is better, but Seymour will always be welcomed by me.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
LOL Hwnrdr.
Save the trees!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Need to look at stephon heyer next
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He’s with Dallas now, I think.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Knapp also seems to have a telegraph in his office. Very few run plays against the ARZ defense fooled anyone. Palmer is suppose to be awesome and so far he’s looked like crap. When Lienart looks as good/better than you, you aren’t playing worth a hoot.
Doggie-dodo indeed. Just another long year coming. McFadden will make enough plays to keep us alive. We need WR’s not Defense, unless it’s LBer’s.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Bringing in Carter makes me worry about Crawford’s foot..
Also would spell the end for Burnett IMO.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Marks Hair Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Need to look at stephon heyer next
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He’s with Dallas now, I think.
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He just got cut by the Jets..
August 21st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Kicking the tires on Carter either means Curry’s still not back anytime soon or DA is dissatisfied with Tolleson, or both.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Espn was showing clevelands rook qb downing clay pidgons with the ball.. tp is not in his world..
August 21st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Say what you want about Seymour but he blocked 2 FG’s to beat chiefs on road and keep playoff dreams alive.
T. Kelly is better, but Seymour will always be welcomed by me.
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Until he is cut next season.
15 million reasons why.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
TP will never be our starting QB. Reggie will draft QB next year. I sign away my life savings with that statement. It is GOLD!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
1291 –
My guess would be – both.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Carter isnt gonna play LB in a 43, or ILB in a 34 so I dont see it having anything to do with Curry.
More to do with Crawford IMO.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I agree with Klas — if a good QB is available where we draft, I think that’s where we’re goin’.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Kicking the tires on Carter either means Curry’s still not back anytime soon or DA is dissatisfied with Tolleson, or both.
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I disagree….
We do not have a speed pass rusher….and Coach Allen wants one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VRT78sF9Mo
August 21st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
For sure, this is about pass rush.
Crawford was bringing that until his foot injury.
Burnett flashed it a little, but didnt take it into real action.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
“Espn was showing clevelands rook qb downing clay pidgons with the ball.. tp is not in his world..”
You would think that a guy making 500K a year could afford some old tires to hang from a tree to practice with?
August 21st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Kicking the tires on Carter either means Curry’s still not back anytime soon or DA is dissatisfied with Tolleson, or both.
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I disagree….
We do not have a speed pass rusher….and Coach Allen wants one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VRT78sF9Mo
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I thought Tolleson was supposed to be a pass rusher.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Like he said, God willing…if he can get back to form of last year…4 sacks in one game? Pretty impressive!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Yo, takin’ a hella dope Blog Poll -
Who do you think the Laker’s farm team, The Orlando Magic, will draft, then groom to be our next Hall of Fame center?
If they can get the top pick in 2013 (fingers crossed), Cody Zeller would look pretty good in Purple N Gold in about 6 years
Or maybe they can pick high enough to get Willey Cauley in 2014. We always like legit 7 footers with face up game
Cast your vote now, blog dweebs!
BEEECH DIGGITY ROCKIN’ THE MIC
August 21st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RAIDERDUCK,
Tollefson is a hustler. Can play DE/OLB/DT.. scrappy guy. Not known for anything in specific. Just a swiss army knife of effort.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Im down for Plaxico at this point, moore and Ford always hurt, just DHb and Streater with no pass-cacthing TE (proven).
Plaxico matches well with Palmer, Palmer will let him “go get it”
August 21st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Duck, Tolleson is a pass rusher…but he isn’t a speed pass rusher…
Coach Allen has mentioned he didn’t have a speed pass rusher…(he misses and was spoiled by Von Miller last year)….now he does…!
I have no problem with this move…certain Offensive Tackles have difficulty with speed rushers…and we have power rushers….
Good Move by the Raiders today…
Should be signing right about now I hope!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
1298 — If he can demonstrate half of what I saw on that highlight reel, then I’m down wit dat!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:14 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Im down for Plaxico at this point, moore and Ford always hurt, just DHb and Streater with no pass-cacthing TE (proven).
Plaxico matches well with Palmer, Palmer will let him “go get it”
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Dont believe that Plax can ‘go get it’..
RZ/Short yardage threat at this point i’d say..
I like the Plax idea though.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Andre Carter did muster 10.5 sacks last year and 2 FF
SOLID PRODUCTION.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Plax was big in the red-zone for lowly sanchez last year …. I liked Palmer to Plaxico in the red-zone.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
1309 — Solid Production = Exactly what we need!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Orlando is Laker farm team! That is the funny. Beeech you the man with your joking. ROFLMAOWPIMP (Rolling On the Floor Laughing While Peeing In My Pants) Holla!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I hope this (in a 3/4 Front) means we are moving Matt Shaughnessy down inside with Kelly and hopefully Bryant….wheeler on the outside on one end and Carter on the other…
Get that WASTE OF SPACE SEYMOUR OFF THE FIELD..
He doesn’t want to practice…
Kick Rocks!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I’m not getting excited about Carter until I hear he’s actually signed.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Holy Odin! Phyllis from The Office used to be a NFL cheerleader:
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/%E2%80%98the-office%E2%80%99-star-phyllis-smith%E2%80%99s-cheerleader-and-burlesque-dancer-past.html
August 21st, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Beeech,
I’m thinking of LaDemetrious Haffensnaffer from Austin Peay.
Nice player.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I’m not getting excited about Carter until I hear he’s actually signed.
I’m with you on that one!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
LOL ODB.
Later bro.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
What’s with you guys talking Plaxico all of a sudden?
Something cooking with that too?
August 21st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Alright Nation!!! You all have a good one! See you all in the AM!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Reggie probably just looked at the roster and said, daaayum, my gut tells me we have no true pass rushing DE! Get me Carter on the phone!
Situational pass rusher only IMO.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Andre Carter wants long-term deal from Patriots31By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The League editor
Published: June 29, 2012 at 09:26 a.m. Updated: June 29, 2012 at 04:10 p.m.
Andre Carter had a Pro Bowl season out of nowhere in 2011. That makes the veteran defensive end different from your average free agent out there, and he has different demands.
Carter is looking for a long-term deal from the New England Patriots, the Boston Herald reported Friday. The team is looking to sign him to something closer to the low-cost one-year deal it signed him to last season.
New England’s motivation is clear: Carter, 33, is coming off a torn quad, a difficult injury to recover from. It’s not clear if Carter will be ready for the regular season, so there has been no rush to sign him. The Herald reported that Carter has turned down interest from other teams in the hope of chasing another Super Bowl in New England.
It’s possible Carter will start the season on the physically unable to perform list, missing the first six games. After also losing Mark Anderson, the Patriots could use another veteran presence on their defense. They drafted defensive ends Chandler Jones and Jake Bequette in the first two rounds, but they haven’t always had a great track record incorporating rookies into the mix in the Belichick era of late.
We think the Patriots defense will be improved this year, with or without Carter. He would be a nice final addition during a defensively-focused offseason.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Where is new post from Jerry and Steve. The Glimmer Twins are losing their touch.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
If Carter can help the team, then great! Sounds like we’d be getting better production than Wimbley with less money.
As for Heyer: Guard is not really a weak spot for us, and we don’t know how he’d perform in the ZBS.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Got 2 votes in on my hella cool poll, holla
Yo DJ, I’ve been studying the premier episode of Married to Jonas for tips on huge boy band success
What I learned can all be explained in the lyrics to my hot new 2 Kewl 4 Skool jam, “Grade School Wake N Bake”
Kick them beats:
Just got my lunch card, time to pack my pipe
Cause now we’re going steady, girl, this is outta sight
If we start making out things will get pretty wild
In 9 months you’ll be known as the mother of my child
Actually, this jam has nothing to do with Married to Jonas. Sorry for the confusion.
GETTIN’ HELLA HIGH WITH 7UP N SKY
August 21st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
From another article:
Carter still has some production left to offer to the Pats, but what sets him apart from other free agents is his experience. Carter’s effect on the locker room is undeniable. His presence could be huge for talented but raw guys like Jones and Bequette.
The main reason why teams have been wary of Carter is probably the fact that he is coming off of a serious quad injury. However, reports have shown that Carter is recovering ahead of time and that he wants to be a part of the Pats. He may be ready before the start of the season.
The Pats would likely sign the veteran defensive end to a one or two-year deal, much like the one he signed last year, which was for one year at $2.75 million.
Andre Carter may be getting older, and he might not produce at a very high level, but one thing’s for sure: he can still help the Patriots in many ways.
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Keep in mind the media saying this NOW that he’s still
a Patriot and how it will change once he becomes a Raider…IF he does.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
You guys don’t see Greg Knapp for what he REALLY is…
Like the forest/trees metaphor, Knapp is the fall guy.
If $#it heads south due to injury to any of our key offensive guys (CP3, DMcF, Dgnarly, list gets shorter now…) then Knapp takes the heat and DA and the Reg get to work on the future.
Easy call, surprised his hire confused so many people…
August 21st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Beeecher Report rips into Carson Palmer. Article must have been written by Mistic:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1301639-replacement-refs-carson-palmer-taylor-mays-the-worst-of-nfl-preseason-week-2
August 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
This, from “Niner Noise”:
49ers Should Bring Back Andre CarterJul 28th, 2012 at 10:14 am by Matt Hamm
It seems like forever ago when Andre Carter racked up double digit sacks as a member of the San Francisco 49ers before cashing in on a free agent contract with the Washington Redskins. Carter never lived up to the superstar status his rich contract and his breakout season with the Niners suggested.
Still Carter has put together a nice career and would be an excellent addition to the current 49ers roster. Jim Harbaugh has the best linebacker group in the league with Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Ahmad Brooks and Aldon Smith. They are set at defensive end with Justin Smith and Ray McDonald but they don’t have much in terms of depth at those positions.
The role Aldon played in his rookie season would be ideal for Carter with Smith stepping into an increased role this season. Carter is best suited as a 4-3 DE, the 49ers a 3-4 team on the surface do not seem like an ideal fit. The system Vic Fangio runs is not exactly a traditional 3-4 system, if put in the right role, Carter would not have to do anything other than put his hands in the dirt and rush the passer.
The only thing stopping the 49ers defense from being the best in the league this upcoming season would be the injury bug. Adding a cheap veteran like Carter who could be a regular contributor as a third down rusher and also supply depth at some thin positions on the roster could end up being key.
At 33 years old the dreams of becoming a superstar are long gone for Andre Carter. Offseason rumors pointed to him rejoining the New England Patriots which has yet to happen. Carter wants to win, and the former Cal Bear star has a perfect fit with his first team in San Francisco with the 49ers.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Hey guys finally home, so Carter would play the DE role?
August 21st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Not resigning M Bush will be the biggest factor for The Raiders not making the playoffs this year.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Not resigning M Bush will be the biggest factor for The Raiders not making the playoffs this year.
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IDK about biggest, but its up there.
Unless Jones can stay healthy.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Hey guys finally home, so Carter would play the DE role?
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Yessir.
Shaughnessy / Carter / Crawford
Seymour / Bryant
Kelly / Bilukidi
Houston / Tollefson
August 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Reggie wanted ” his guy.” If I had it my way Hue would still be coach and Jack del RIO would be D coach. Zone blokcing sucks!
August 21st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Reggie wanted ” his guy.” If I had it my way Hue would still be coach and Jack del RIO would be D coach. Zone blokcing sucks!
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Dennis Allen chose the staff.
Reggie chose Dennis.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
We won’t miss Bush if DMac stays healthy. Bush would just wear down anyways if he was full time.
August 21st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Not resigning M Bush will be the biggest factor for The Raiders not making the playoffs this year.
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Bush? The dude who got worse as the season wore on and redefined “Non-factor” in the last couple of games? We’ll be fine without him.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Reggie wanted ” his guy.” If I had it my way Hue would still be coach and Jack del RIO would be D coach. Zone blokcing sucks!
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Dennis Allen chose the staff.
Reggie chose Dennis.
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And firing Hue was a condition of Reggie’s employment.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I think his point was our backup RB situation is shaky without Bush.
Bush wouldnt need to worry about wearing down as a backup.
Cant argue that.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Reggie wanted ” his guy.” If I had it my way Hue would still be coach and Jack del RIO would be D coach. Zone blokcing sucks!
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Dennis Allen chose the staff.
Reggie chose Dennis.
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And firing Hue was a condition of Reggie’s employment.
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IDK.
We can read between the lines, but id rather speak in terms of facts that we know.
Reggie hired Allen, Allen chose the staff.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
If Goodson sucks again or Taiwan gets hurt, sign Lonyae as the bruiser.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
If Goodson sucks again or Taiwan gets hurt, sign Lonyae as the bruiser.
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I have little to no faith in Miller.
Only reason he looks like a bruiser is because he is so slow he gets hit a lot.
Reece is my choice for the role.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:06 pm
This is Bush’s year to breakdown — he’s overdue. Raiders are going to be glad for not re-signing him, in the long run.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
If Goodson sucks again or Taiwan gets hurt, sign Lonyae as the bruiser.
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I have little to no faith in Miller.
Only reason he looks like a bruiser is because he is so slow he gets hit a lot.
Reece is my choice for the role.
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Oh yeah man Reece all day, but should Goody be cut after 2 bad games? Should Jones go if he has one more injury?
August 21st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I hope we can use Reece as a H-back on occasion, like the Snyderskins did with Chris Cooley, in his prime.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
My only point was that Goody/Jones are both working themselves out of a job.imo
August 21st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 21st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
My only point was that Goody/Jones are both working themselves out of a job.imo
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Goodson more so.
Jones just needs to learn how to stay healthy. Hamstrings are preventable.
The waiver wire will be interesting this year.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
The only thing Goodson and Jones are working themselves into is the team hot tub!
August 21st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
DAV
Goody’s fumbling can be fixed, some way some how.lol Taiwan has been injury prone for years now. Waiver wire will be good with Reg runnin’ schit.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I was highly dissappointed in Goodson’s display. Even take the fumbles out of the equation. He didn’t look very fast, indecisive, went down easy, didn’t make a single guy miss…… It was almost opposite of his camp accolades.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
DJ Johnny 1329,
Good post. But watch it, someone who accuse of being a closet 49′er fan, lol.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Roster spots we need to look to upgrade during 53 man cut downs:
8th OL – Barksdale
6th CB – McCann
4th OLB – Burnett
August 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
79
I agree, I’ll give him the benefit of first game back jitters, after a hard hit. Stink it up again though, adios my friend.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
We should find another decent back after cutdowns.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
New post.
August 21st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
I would keep an eye on the Carolina Panthers’ TE situation. They have a rookie out of UCLA who hasn’t seen much playing time yet (Rosario), and he is listed as #4 on their depth chart. He might be available to bring in after the first round of cuts. He played solid in college, and (from what I hear) has had a decent camp — just too much quality depth in front of him.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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