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Pryor, Criner enjoy coming-out party

So, that’s what all the fuss was about, eh? Terrelle Pryor was going to revolutionize the quarterback position and rookie wide receiver Juron Criner was going to build upon an off-the-charts showing during offseason workouts.
On Saturday, for one game, at least, Pryor did things few quarterbacks are capable of doing with his feet, made throws befitting a bonafide NFL quarterback and caused people to stand up and take notice. And Criner made not one but two outstanding plays after being silent the first two games and most of training camp.
It was enough to make people wonder what the future holds for the Raiders, with Pryor at quarterback and Criner one of his go-to receivers.
Yet, we’re wise enough to know that what Pryor and Criner did against the Detroit Lions in a 31-20 victory at the Coliseum will be forgotten before long, certainly once the regular season starts in two weeks or so.
Still, it was a show worth watching … over and over again.
The highlights began when Pryor bolted out of the pocket, found a seam, raced through it untouched and rambled 59 yards to the Lions 14-yard line. Two plays later, Pryor capped the scoring drive with an impressive 17-yard run for a touchdown.
On the next series, Pryor benefitted from an interception being negated by a Lions penalty. He made the most of his second chance by delivering a pass down the right sideline that Criner snared above cornerback Alphonso Smith before falling into the end zone for a 39-yard touchdown (It’s worth noting that Criner caught the ball despite being interfered with by Smith on the play).
Two series later, Pryor rolled right, led Criner as he streaked across the middle of field and celebrated as Criner finished off a 76-yard catch-and-run play.
Overall, Pryor completed 3-of-5 passes for 137 yards and 137 yards, good for an impressive 143.8 passer rating. By comparison, starter Carson Palmer completed 17-of-26 for 181 yards, with two interceptions, and a 53.5 passer rating.
“I’m just so happy for him; he works so hard and puts so much time in,” Palmer said. “To have the big plays that he made with his feet and the big throws that he made and the guys step up for him like Juron did; guys have so much confidence in him and I’m just happy for him. Proud of him.”
This was the Pryor that late owner Al Davis envisioned when he surrendered a third round draft pick so that he could select Pryor in the NFL’s supplemental draft a year ago. This was the Criner that coach Dennis Allen witnessed on a regular basis during offseason workouts, when Criner made the difficult look routine.
It remains to be seen whether Pryor and Criner will play much once the regular season starts. However, they went a long way toward showing that they can play well in a game, which goes a long way in coaches’ minds.
If nothing else, it’s a far cry from the inconsistent play by Pryor the first two games. Pryor called his improvement with his comfort managing the game the primary reason for his improved play.
“The first thing that my coach Flip (John DeFilippo, quarterbacks coach) said when I got upstairs was, ‘Man, your huddle presence was 200,000 times better.’ That was the biggest thing that helped me was that I could get out earlier. I could get out and see the defense and break down the possibilities of what the defense could possibly be rather than running up to the huddle and having seven seconds left and I’ve got to snap the ball.”
Pryor was hypercritical of his play against the Dallas Cowboys in a 3-0 loss on Aug. 13. He vowed to play better and be the difference the next time he was in a similar situation.
“I hate losing; that’s just something that carries with me,” Pryor said. “When I play video games, people don’t like playing me in video games because I get mad. I’ll throw and break the controller and go buy another one. That’s just how I am. I’m fiery about that. I hate losing.
“When coaches pick on me and they’re trying to help me out a little bit and they (point out) what I do bad, I hate hearing it. It just drives me crazy and I just go out and work on it by myself until I get it right. I just hate failing.”
No failing grade tonight, only an A+ for Pryor.
As always, Allen was measured in his assessment of Pryor’s performance.
“Terrelle did a nice job,” Allen said. “He came in and threw a couple of nice balls, two for touchdowns, both of them to Criner, so that was good to see. He managed the huddle a lot better in this game, which was really an area of improvement we were looking for out of him. He’s still a work in progress, but I thought he made some strides today.”

– Allen talks about wanting to keep four defensive tackles. At this rate, he might be forced to keep five.
Such is the power of youngsters like Jamie Cumbie and Christo Bilukidi making their presence felt time and again.
“It was good to see Jamie coming back off the injury and play,” Allen said, “so that may be one of those battles that goes right down to the end. Listen, that’s the way we want it. We want competition. We want guys battling, and some of those guys stepped up today.”
On Saturday, Cumbie got his hands in the way of three passes, with the final one setting up a Bilukidi interception.
Cumbie notched two tackles, one sack and the three batted passes, as well as several plays in which he pressured the quarterback. Bilukidi was in on several plays, even if he didn’t get credit for the tackle.
“It’s the kind of game I needed after missing last week and being out some practices,” Cumbie said. “I needed to come out and do something.”
Cumbie just returned from a right foot injury. He and Bilukidi realize that the first roster cuts are Monday and the final one Friday. Time is short to make one final, lasting impression.
“The way to make the team is, stacking practices, showing up on game days, making plays, don’t bust on any assignments,” Bilukidi said. “As a rookie, you don’t want to bust any kind of assignment. You want to show these coaches that you know what to do on the field, show that you’re physical, especially as a defensive lineman.”

– Second-year running back Taiwan Jones played in a game for the first time this season. It’s safe to say that he played well enough to present a strong case for why he should be the primary backup to Darren McFadden.
Jones rushed for 50 yards on 10 carries and caught two passes for 8 yards.
“I was just out there having fun,” Jones said. “When you’re in game mode, you got to be patient with your steps but you just got to cut it loose. That’s what I tried to do.”
It caught Allen’s attention.
“He did some nice things,” Allen said. “He was explosive; he’s obviously really fast. He has a real nice run where he got a little penetration and cut back and was able to get around the defense. That’s one of the things that he gives you is, he does have some real speed, so his ability to get on the edges is good for us.”

– Rookie wide receiver Rod Streater shined for a third straight game. This time, he caught five passes for 56 yards. That gives him 18 catches in three games.
Streater caught only 19 passes for Temple last season, which played a large part of his going undrafted.
“That’s funny, right?” Streater said. “Nineteen catches. It’s a blessing that I’m here and I’ve got an offense that throws me the ball. I just want to continue to make plays and continue to work hard.”

– Shane Lechler punted four times Saturday for a 44.5-yard gross and net average. That marked his first game action this season. He missed considerable practice time, as well as the first two exhibition games, while he recovered from arhtroscopic surgery on his left knee.

– Kicker Sebastian Janikowski suffered a groin injury while attempting to tackle Justin Miller on an 80-yard kick return. Janikowski missed the remainder of the game.
Allen said the Raiders will evaluate Janikowski’s injury and determine the extent. Eddy Carmona replaced Janikowski and kicked well, including a 56-yard field goal at the end of the first half.

– McFadden played quite a bit less than the rest of the first-team offense, though he managed nine carries and two receptions. He also scored Oakland’s first touchdown on a 1-yard burst.
McFadden re-entered the game in that situation, Allen said, because that’s the role he is going to handle during the season.
“When we get down on the goal line, we want to give the ball to our best back and let him punch it in,” Allen said.

– Tight end Brandon Myers returned to action after a shoulder injury and caught five passes for 41 yards. David Ausberry added a 10-yard catch on a play on which he lowered his shoulder and bowled over the tackler.
“Was it perfect? No, it wasn’t perfect, but we did some nice things from the tight end position,” Allen said. “Just looking at it with a naked eye, I was pleased with the tight end position.”

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  • Plunketthead

    RR
    Are you picking on me again?
    You think Bush is a bad pick?
    I got him in round ten
    Did you see the numbers Bush put up last year?
    If Forte goes down Bush will slug it out again. Plus he will be the GL back.

  • Plunketthead

    I like the new rules that take points away from the QB and the RB.

  • xraided

    ok he had one last night, and bobbled the crap out of another.

    yes i’m being harsh on him and maybe he’ll make me eat my words… i would just like someone seasoned and reliable at finding the open spots.

    whether or not CP3 is ANY GOOD THIS SEASON, having a safety valve for a TE undoubtedly help him to make less mistakes. CHECK DOWN TO THE TE! Wittten and CryRivers’s bread n butter is Witten and Gates. without them..(like Rivers was without Gates a lot last year which resulted in 20 picks), they aren’t half as effective.

  • redshirt

    Hanie was going against the 1st team D when he took over in the 1st.

    Look I’m just busting CP’s balls. I realize half his INTs weren’t his fault. I realize it’s only preseason. But the fact remains he hasn’t looked sharp and seems slow back there in the pocket. I’m still rooting for the guy though and will be his biggest fan come Monday night against SD.

  • xraided

    Raiders For Life Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Isn’t Zach Miller one hit away from getting air lifted to the funny farm? I liked him alot when he was with the Raiders but no thanks to Miller.

    __________________

    you are probably correct. a very late round conditional pick to the seachunks should do it. they have Winslow, who had over 700 yards receiving last year. that’s their guy. Zach should be on the chopping block with that contract.

    i guess his concussion issues and that bloated of a contract makes him not worth looking at.

    just miss his production, even with JaBackFat slinging the ball over his head, he would have STICK’EMS for hands. he knew how to find open spots in the flat, even with HORRID RECEIVERS around him. remember that?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    xraided Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    RforL,

    i liked what i saw from him. i’m not trying to take anything away from the kid. he has some serious potential, and i always knew that.

    If Carson fails or gets hurt, i want to see a TP kind of offense like Knapp used to run in ATL with Vick. only DMC SH!TS ON DUNN! that’s the difference there!
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    Vick and Pryor are not the same kind of player. Vick has always been a much more accurate passer than Pryor has shown. Both can run tho…

  • xraided

    yes well if you didn’t notice redshirt, the first team niners D is looking nothing like they do in the regular season. you see #52 out there? #55 is looking better than he is out there. just shows you how meaningless preseason really is, all around.

  • Twocents

    I liked what I saw of Jones but can he last more than a couple of games?
    I still think we need a durable backup.

  • RaiderRetribution

    oops forgot WRs, I was trying to figure out why I had so many positions still available:

    WR locks; Moore, DHB, Ford, Streater, Criner if healthy all five will be active each game.

    6th spot open for Mcgee, Carswell, T.O., Chad, ….lol just kidding;

    would not be a bit surprised if they try to move Ausberry back to WR and get him to lose some weight again, which should not be difficult) and pick up another TE.

    probably be a FA pick up that is a special teamer (gunner or returner).

    that makes 21 on O, 21 on D, two STs (whoever the PK is), 44 spots taken

    therefore 9 positions up for grabs, barring FA pickups and trades for draft picks.

  • xraided

    haven’t seen the other half of the bash brothers in this game either… that being Navarro Bowman.

    you all really think the Donko’s will look this good? i’m willing to bet they won’t, especially when Manning starts getting CRUNCHED 10 times a game… he’ll start to get scared to stay in the pocket, then it’s over for him.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Needs:

    TE, power back, OT (Starters are great, not sold on Barksdale as backup), CB (even if Bartell and Spencer play well this year, they have mileage), dare I say kicker/punter (need nurses for all their injuries)

  • RaiderRetribution

    Raiders 28, San Diego 10 on opening Monday Night Football.

  • xraided

    that’s debatable Seymour,

    Pryor looked pretty accurate last night with the few throws he had. even he isn’t satisfied with those passes i realize, but he can certainly reach a level of Vick in ATL given he has a couple more years to ride pine and learn better mechanics.

    that’s the point here. i don’t expect an ATL kind of offense right now, unless it was the absolute last resort. hey, we’re one big QB sack away from it. lord knows Leinart will get hurt after 2 games tops if he were to come in to start. *knock on wood*

  • Plunketthead

    England Raider

    Do you like those flavors?

  • xraided

    with what Pryor showed even against backups, he may be ready earlier than 3 years down the road. his pocket presence and time management were big time question marks, and he seemed to have a better grasp of it. i’m willing to believe it was 20 months of rust he was shaking off the last couple of games.

    the coaches probably told him to just do what ever it took to score last game, and that meant boot legging out of the pocket with those 4.3 wheels and heaving it down the field. he agreed and made it a reality last night.

  • Raidernationdave

    Baggies baby, Baggies!

    “Win, lose or tie….Baggie Nation til you die!”

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    While I can appreciate your faith in Palmer to a degree, I feel you are putting too much stock in deriding the weapons at his disposal. He must stop throwing picks to d line men, & failing to acknowledge his own struggles

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    That may be the fairest comment that you’ve made about Palmer.
    His first pick was just a pathetic thing that shouldn’t have been thrown.
    The second one though was not his fault.

    Prior also had a pick Supavillain with 12.45 left in the fourth quarter which was only cancelled out due to an unrelated penalty.

    Having said that, the kid did good.
    I’m not impressed by the run 59 yard run-a back can do that-but I was real pleased with those two passes of 39 and 76 yards.
    Very nice.

  • http://www.djsulli.com/ Silverandblack666

    666

  • xraided

    we have barely talked about the most consistent part of the Raider’s play this pre season, and that’s been the run D. we had a small sample size thus far, and we’ve seen them be like this in practice games of the past, but it’s about time we boast a middle of the pack kind of defense.

    TK needs to stop jumping off sides and reaching for face masks though. same with the rest of the DL. 2 encroachment penalties last night that would have been 3rd and longs… ridiculous mistakes that DA didn’t take kindly to.

  • redshirt

    Vick’s completion %s in ATL:

    44.2, 54.9, 50.0, 56.4, 55.3, 52.6

    meh… avg at best.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Plunketthead Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    England Raider

    Do you like those flavors?

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    I’m not even a big icecream fan Plunk.
    I just thought your comment made a lot more sense than some of the other stuff being posted tonight.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    xraided Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    that’s debatable Seymour,

    Pryor looked pretty accurate last night with the few throws he had. even he isn’t satisfied with those passes i realize, but he can certainly reach a level of Vick in ATL given he has a couple more years to ride pine and learn better mechanics.
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    I would certainly would debate you on this. The lst TD to Criner was actually a poorly thrown pass that Criner really made a nice play on. That ball was waaay underthrown to Criner, not laid out for him. The second pass to Criner was better, it hit Criner in stride, but still off Criners shoe tops. Criner REALLY made those two plays. And, Pryor had a very bad pick negated by penalty that most fans are never going to remember.
    On the other hand, Mike Vick was always a remarkably accurate passer. That is why he was a consensus overall number one. Teams knew they would not have to develop that. Now, that accuracy has not always translated statistically. Most coaches have wanted Mike to stand in there and heave the rock. And when Mike has done that, he has done well, but Mike likes to run around to the chagrin of his coaches. And that sometimes takes away from his accuracy, and their game plans.

  • Raidernationdave
  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    No the atl knapp offense would do Pryor no favors. He would be much better in a spread shotgun that relied on intermediate passing misdirection, & the occasinal deep shot More like the offense that tebow ran last year

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    redshirt Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Vick’s completion %s in ATL:

    44.2, 54.9, 50.0, 56.4, 55.3, 52.6

    meh… avg at best.
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    Not even average. But there are reasons for that.

  • Twocents

    I still think Pryor is going to be the #3 QB and as such he will be inactive on game day.
    If he would work as a reciever in practice and still take his limited snaps as the #3 QB, he would have a chance to be active when our recievers get banged up.
    The guy has too much talent to sit around on game day doing nothing.

  • RaiderRockstar

    RR
    Are you picking on me again?
    You think Bush is a bad pick?

    ***

    @Plunk

    that was Dell!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Mike’s INT percentage is basically about where guys like Brees and Peyton’s career INT% is.

  • xraided

    ENGLAND,

    i liked the run(s) because it displayed how fast those wheels are. a defender had him WRAPPED, and he was able to shake out of it and out run the defense to the sideline the very next play.

    as soon as he gets his mechanics down to a tee and can show us touch passes on short routes(on the run and in the pocket), that man will be very hard to stop.

    Seymour,

    about Vick in ATL, he had a lot of accuracy issues. he NEVER REACHED 60% COMP. in his 5 years in ATL. nadda once! Palmer even did that was for us in 9.5 games last year with some putrid decision making.

  • xraided

    correction: Vick didn’t reach the 60% completion mark in 3 full seasons in ATL that he was actually healthy.

  • Butt Fat

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    No the atl knapp offense would do Pryor no favors. He would be much better in a spread shotgun that relied on intermediate passing misdirection, & the occasinal deep shot More like the offense that tebow ran last year
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    Wind back to the game vs SD at SD last year. That is the Palmer we got if Knapp allows him to unleash his strength. IE, no huddle, spread WRs’, play fake, and CP3 is a pocket passer. Knapp very well could be the problem, not Palmer.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Mike is also like 55-35 as a starter in this league. That ain’t bad.

  • lefty12

    Tarvaris Jackson traded to Buffalo.Looks like either V. Young or Fitzpatrick is in trouble.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Vick’s completion %s in ATL:

    44.2, 54.9, 50.0, 56.4, 55.3, 52.6

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    Seymour Bush Says:

    Not even average. But there are reasons for that.

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    Uhm, yeah that Vick was extremely inaccurate coming out of College.

    I remember him sailing passes over people’s heads and throwing at their feet.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Tarvaris Jackson traded to Buffalo.Looks like either V. Young or Fitzpatrick is in trouble.

    ***

    Young and/or Thigpen = out!

  • Grimey Grime

    Hi Everybody. Long time listener now first time caller. Raiders 19-0 this year. I bet the farm on it.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Wind back to the game vs SD at SD last year. That is the Palmer we got if Knapp allows him to unleash his strength. IE, no huddle, spread WRs’, play fake, and CP3 is a pocket passer. Knapp very well could be the problem, not Palmer.
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    The only real issue with Carson Palmer is he will throw picks. And if you break down those picks, a lot of them come on the short routes. Like the screen pass yesterday. Palmer and the offense should be focusing on intermediate to longer patterns which Palmer throws remarkably well.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    That kick by Carmona was pretty good.
    56 yards and kicking on the A’s infield. Not bad.

    On top of that the infield had been messed up some.
    Not that it matters to the A’s since they’re not going anywhere.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Twocents Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    I still think Pryor is going to be the #3 QB and as such he will be inactive on game day.
    If he would work as a reciever in practice and still take his limited snaps as the #3 QB, he would have a chance to be active when our recievers get banged up.
    The guy has too much talent to sit around on game day doing nothing.
    …………

    Terrible idea
    1. He would be robbed of a chance to develop as a qb wasting time in we meetings & missing qb meetings/ practice.
    2. He has never been anyhthing other than a qb his whole life. He couldn’t be expected to learn a new position in 1 pre season game & a live nfl season.
    3. It stunts the growth of qbs see morsels Stewart brad smith & joe Webb.
    4. He will never get ahead if the quality wrs we have on this roster. You would be taking a real wr off the field to force a convert project.

    He is qb nothing more, let him sink or swim at his natural position

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Bob Marley Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Vick’s completion %s in ATL:

    44.2, 54.9, 50.0, 56.4, 55.3, 52.6

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    Seymour Bush Says:

    Not even average. But there are reasons for that.

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    Uhm, yeah that Vick was extremely inaccurate coming out of College.

    I remember him sailing passes over people’s heads and throwing at their feet.
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    Huh? Mike Vick lead the entire NCAA in passing efficiency. As a freshman.

  • Plunketthead

    10-4 RR

    My mistake.
    Wow The commish is on my arse.
    Thats what I get for misbehaving

  • No Mas Diamante

    I hate the infield…

    Seatle just traded QB jackson to Buffallo

  • Guber

    Carson Palmer didn’t change teams this offseason, but he might has well have. Palmer is learning a new offense in Oakland once again, and he’s not a natural fit for Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp’s timing West Coast offense. It has showed this preseason.

    Facing a banged-up Detroit Lions secondary, Palmer struggled again Saturday night with two interceptions. He has averaged under six yards per attempt in 58 preseason throws with no scores and four picks overall. His top receivers Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford might miss Week 1. Palmer does not look comfortable. He might have had a cameo in Oakland last year, but it sure looks like he’s starting from scratch because of the coaching change.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000055013/article/lessons-learned-from-saturdays-preseason-games?module=HP11_content_stream

    Its all on knapp. CP3 haters, leave. Go home.

  • redshirt

    Who in the hell let T. Bradshaw out of the studio? He’s running a muck up in the booth.

  • Fugazi

    Adam Schefter

    Seattle has agreed to trade QB Tarvaris Jackson to Buffalo for a draft pick, but Bills and Jackson still trying to finalize new contract.

  • Fugazi

    redshirt Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Who in the hell let T. Bradshaw out of the studio? He’s running a muck up in the booth.
    ————————————————

    The ghost of Chuck Noll

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Seymour Bush Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    Bob Marley Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Vick’s completion %s in ATL:

    44.2, 54.9, 50.0, 56.4, 55.3, 52.6

    =======================================

    Seymour Bush Says:

    Not even average. But there are reasons for that.

    —————————————

    Uhm, yeah that Vick was extremely inaccurate coming out of College.

    I remember him sailing passes over people’s heads and throwing at their feet.
    ==============================================

    Huh? Mike Vick lead the entire NCAA in passing efficiency. As a freshman.

    ————————————————-

    Yeah, that’s why he wasn’t even close to cracking the 60% completion mark during his first 6 seasons as a Pro.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Twocents Says:
    August 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    I still think Pryor is going to be the #3 QB and as such he will be inactive on game day.

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    No doubt.
    Pryor is fortunate. He’s playing behind a really good QB who can teach him a lot and he knows it.
    But he is the number three quarterback with a lot to learn.

    You have to admire Prior’s motivation.
    Everyone keeps telling him to be a tight end and he just keeps on insisting that he wants to be a QB.
    The kid’s got grit.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    *Pryor.

  • Intrepid

    Rock Cartright for 39yds.I’m gonna niss that guy.