Sense of urgency falls upon Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Monday, August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen had a little extra bounce in his step, seemed a bit more energized and ready for the long grind that is the regular season. It’s amazing what three nights sleeping in your own bed can do for a person, eh, coach?
So it was that the Raiders practiced in Alameda on Monday for the first time since breaking camp in Napa last Thursday. It’s the place they will call home base for the next five months or so, perhaps longer if they make it to the Super Bowl.
“It’s nice to get back home,” Allen said. “I got a chance to sleep in my own bed a couple nights, so that was good. It’s good. I thought we had a good day of work today. It’s good for us to get back in this environment, get our guys used to the locker room here, the practice facility, the weight room, all of that kind of good stuff.”
At the same time, moving to the year-round facility, combined with 12 players being jettisoned in the first round of roster cuts Monday, signals to the players that things are different now than they were the past five months or so.
“Every time you change the surroundings, people realize there’s a little something different,” Allen said. “Getting back here, it’s kind of, we’re getting close. Everybody feels the sense that we’re getting close to the opening day of the season.”
Rookie guard Tony Bergstrom said seeing so many familiar faces gone in a flash is a sobering reminder of how fleeting it can be for an NFL player.
“It’s crazy,” Bergstrom said. “It just makes you want to go that much harder in practice because you never know. It kind of makes you realize that this is a business and it’s not necessarily a nice business all the time, either. So, it makes you really appreciate you being here as long as you have and you just want to hold on that much longer.”
– Defensive lineman Lamarr Houston was asked by coaches to shed 10 pounds from his 305-pound frame during the offseason. In response, Houston lost 20.
Now, the Raiders are reaping the dividends from a player who is lighter, faster and more active on the field.
“He’s actually quicker than he was in OTAs and minicamp,” Allen said. “He’s lost some weight, he’s in good shape. He played outstanding the other night and if he continues to develop the way that he has and work the way he has, I would expect good things out of him.”
Houston said he didn’t want to lose much more than the 20 pounds he did because of the potential of being used inside, when he isn’t playing end.
“I kept in mind I would be playing inside a little bit,” Houston said. “So you can’t be too much smaller than 285, or 295, really. You get a lot of doubles and things like that, block-backs with the center and things like that.”
– Allen said he isn’t sure if defensive tackle Richard Seymour will play Thursday night against the Seattle Seahawks. Seymour still is resting his sore knee in an attempt to get healthy enough for the regular season.
Allen said Seymour is battling through tendinitis. Seymour said it’s more a case of what’s called the effects of playing 12 years in the NFL.
“I don’t think this is a situation where we have to carry somebody extra because of his situation,” Allen said. “It’s just something we’ll have to manage as we go throughout the season. I’ve been through that provess before with Darren Sharper in New Orleans, a guy that was a little bit long in the tooth. So we had to take care of him. We had to manage him. It’s not unlike any other situation I’ve dealt with.”
– When Carson Palmer entered the NFL in 2003, he latched on to veteran Jon Kitna as a way of learning the ropes and expediting his learning curve as a young quarterback.
Like any good veteran, Palmer now is paying back on the advance he received from Kitna by mentoring second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor.
“I want to because I like Terrelle, but also that’s part of my role,” Palmer said. “That’s my job. When you’re a quarterback as a veteran, like myself, I’ve been trained very well by a guy named Jon Kitna I was fortunate enough to play behind for my first couple years in the NFL.
“He really showed me how to be a pro, how to watch film, how to work out. He showed me all the small things a coach can’t show you, and I’ll never forget that. And that’s now the role I have with Terrelle or with whatever younger quarterback comes around. Just comes with the territory.”
Pryor stays real close to Palmer at all times, soaking up every bit of knowledge he can from Palmer, be it on the practice field, on the sideline, in positional and team meetings, the weight room, you name it.
That process began midway through last season, when Palmer arrived via trade with the Cincinnati Bengals. Almost a year later, Palmer said he has noticed a huge change in Pryor’s performance.
“A ton,” Palmer said, when asked how much change he has noticed. “When I first got here, he wasn’t getting a ton of reps, so for training camp he got 30-40 percent of the reps during camp and he’s improved drastically.”
– Linebacker Aaron Curry still hasn’t been cleared to practice because of balky knees. The Raiders have until Friday to decide what to do with Curry — leave him on the physically unable to perform list, carry him on the 53-man roster, place him on injured-reserve, release him, something.
Allen said he still hasn’t decided how to proceed.
“I’m going to wait until the very last minute to make the decision on what we need to do with him,” Allen said.
Curry has not practiced in more than two months. He spent time in Los Angeles earlier this month seeking a second opinion and receiving treatments.
Curry was unavailable for comment Monday.
– Palmer arrived as the No. 1 pick in the 2003 NFL draft, so he couldn’t be any further removed from the path taken by undrated wide receiver Rod Streater. Yet, Palmer said he has an idea for what Streater is going through.
“When you’re a sixth-, seventh-round draft choice or a free agent, there’s a little bit of doubt,” Palmer said. “Why didn’t I get picked? Why did I get picked so late? Maybe I can’t play in this league. There’s some things that can kind of sink into your head. I haven’t specifically talked to him about that, but I’m sure there’s a little bit of that in there, coming from a Wing-T offense, catching 15, 16 balls his senior year.
“The one thing he’s realized is he can play. He can play with the best, he can win a one-on-one route against any corner, starter or backup corner. And that’s one of the biggest hurdles a young guy has to get over is you really don’t know if you can do it consistently. And he’s consistently done it every single practice, every single day. So confidence-wise, I don’t think he has any issue confidence-wise.”
Streater actually caught 19 passes at Temple last season. The Raiders liked what they saw in Streater and signed him soon after this year’s draft ended.
Through three games, Streater has caught 18 passes for 165 yards and no touchdowns. He has played well enough in training camp and those three games to be considered a lock to make the 53-man roster.
Allen, as usual, has a knack for keeping things in proper perspective.
“I’ve said this before about Rod; he’s done a nice job as a rookie coming in,” Allen said. “He’s an undrafted free agent player that we felt real good about. He’s one of the top guys that we wanted to get when it came to free agency, so he’s done a good job for us. He’s got to continue to develop and get better. I’m not ready to put him in the Hall of Fame. Still got a long way to go but right now he’s made some good progress.”
– Thursday provides the 75 players on the roster one final chance to make a compelling case for why they deserve playing time in the regular season and/or spots on the 53-man roster.
The final roster cuts are less than 24 hours after that game. Naturally, Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie will take into account numerous things when deciding which 22 players to purge from the roster.
Just the same, that final game has the ability to sway opinion one way or the other, Allen said.
“What that exact number is, I don’t know, but there’s still a lot of decisions to be made,” Allen said. “There’s still a lot of decisions to be made as far as who’s on the 53-man roster. And these guys are playing not only to make our roster but they’re playing to make 31 other teams, too. It’s a big game for a lot of people.”
– Starting cornerbacks Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer played in only 10 games combined last season, with Bartell missing all but one game because of a neck injury.
Yet, the Raiders saw something in the 30-year-olds that convinced them that Bartell and Spencer would be an upgrade over canned starters Stanford Routt and Chris Johnson.
Allen said it remains to be seen whether the Raiders made the right call. For now, he is pleased with the way Bartell and Spencer have played.
“There’s a hunger there,” Allen said. “There’s a hunger there to go out and reprove themselves, that they belong in this league. It takes awhile to kind of get the rust knocked off, but I’ve been pleased with the way that both of those guys have played.
“Not just the way they’ve played, but the way they’ve handled themselves in the locker room, the way they’ve handled themselves in the meeting room gives us a chance to have some veteran guys that can teach some of the younger guys really what it means to be a pro.”
– The Raiders might luck out and get back injured wide receivers Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore in time for the regular-season opener. It’s going to take more than luck for those guys and Palmer to get in synch after missing so much time together in camp and games.
“We need a ton of work together,” Palmer said. “You can never get enough work with a guy, even if he’s played every rep and you’ve played every rep, you always need those reps. When they’re back, it’s not easy to get off the couch or get out of a walking boot or off crutches or whatever it may be and just show up and play.
“This league is way too good. These players are too good, these schemes are too good just to jump back in and go. So there’s going to be a little bit of a process of getting their legs back and their conditioning back, but also their minds and bodies to the speed of the game to get caught up with everything.”
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August 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
The time is now nation!! RRRRAAAAAAAAIIIDDDERRRS!
August 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Can Jabar Gaffney return kicks??
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Debo,
We are all bored too.
What I think you should do is go to the deep south, hire a personal trainer and take charge of the personal and professional resurrection of JR.
Only then will your eyes be open.
And by the way Debo, you make some interesting comments except this JR affair.
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Glad you like some of my comments. But I guess you’ll have to take the what you see as the good ones with what you see as the bad. I’m convinced that if our organization had conducted itself even close to the way Baltimore’s has, JR chances of success go up exponentially. There were a lot of players that suffered here as a result of our shenanigans. Pisses me off to no end because you don’t get the opportunity to draft that high very often and there were so many naysayers that said it wouldn’t work:
“I think JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders scares me. I would have done the exact same thing Oakland did, to be sure. But the formula for early success is a bad one there. So much pressure on him to perform well early, with such a porous offensive line, and who knows what at wideout.”
– SI’s Peter King
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
“It’s nice to get back home,” Allen said. “I got a chance to sleep in my own bed a couple nights, so that was good. It’s good.
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Translation = It was nice to put the nuts to my wife and relieve a little stress!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I’m expecting some surprise cuts and trades this week.
Brisiel, Cooper, or Nix to Tampa Bay, Pittsburg, or Seattle.
Goodson, L. Miller and/or DVD or Chekwa to Detoit or Miami.
Barksdale (if not one of the above guards)to New York (A).
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Not a lot of trading of lower tier players goes on. Teams know they will cut.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
“I think JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders scares me. I would have done the exact same thing Oakland did, to be sure. But the formula for early success is a bad one there. So much pressure on him to perform well early, with such a porous offensive line, and who knows what at wideout.”
Peter King was 100% right there.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
August 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Rob-I hope you realize I was being a smart a$$.THe comment no doubt went right over the head of the one it was meant for.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Russell comments? Really?
I can’t wait for MNF vs Chargers kick-off. It’s time to let the players make plays. The defense will be ELITE.
The offense will be different, but McFadden will make everything ok.
Special team returns needs to improve and coverage. will it?
August 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I can’t wait to see them Thursday. Why does it always have to be the fourth preseason game they play up here? Grrr.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
People act like this is the NBA or MLB.Teams don’t trade nearly as often in the NFL.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Palmer said. “You can never get enough work with a guy, even if he’s played every rep and you’ve played every rep, you always need those reps. When they’re back, it’s not easy to get off the couch or get out of a walking boot or off crutches or whatever it may be and just show up and play.
“This league is way too good. These players are too good, these schemes are too good just to jump back in and go. So there’s going to be a little bit of a process of getting their legs back and their conditioning back, but also their minds and bodies to the speed of the game to get caught up with everything.”
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Translation = DHB better make plays in week one because we’ve had a ton of reps together in place of my favourite target, Moore.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
there are olinemen and linbackers today that run faster 40 times than some of those old safties and DBs. I mean come on lefty I know your from the oldschool but facts are facts and those guys from back then were just too slow to cover anybody let alone a Randy Moss type.
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And Ive already shown you that the QB’s back then never would have gotten the ball off to Moss. Or, they would have been hauled off on a stretcher by the 3rd attempt.
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Riff you missed my rebuttal when I stated olines are much more athletic and better pass protectors today which is why they get paid big bucks now unlike before.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
A lot of personnel decisions have seemingly gone the Raiders way. Bartell, Spencer, Wheeler, Criner, Streater. Those are some players right there. Where the fook is Denarious? Dude has to get on the field.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
The guy went against the grain
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He sure did.
He loved going backwards and turning 1st and 10’s into 3rd and 24’s.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
9.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
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My personal favourite was that time when you tried to speak english with Troy Brown on the sidelines wearing that sweater that resembled a 2 year olds art work.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
As far as comparing the past to now, I look it at in a simple comparision.
Rolando McClain is playing at a bigger listed size and weight than Lyle Alzado. And he is twice as fast.
We are about to cut players this week, that would have been Pro Bowlers in the 70’s.
To me, the only sport that stands the test of time is boxing. Guys from the 50’s would slaughter these guys today.
Baseball, basketball and football, just a different size and speed today, that the old generations never seen or could compete with.
My two cents.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
George Atkinson ran a 4.3 coming out of college.R.Lott ran something like a 4.3,4.4.those guys would have knocked Moss on his rear at the line of scrimmage and then beat him all the way down the field.If he happened to get by them,the safety would have taken his head off.Knowing and seeing how Moss was a quitter whenever things got tough,he wouldn’t have been as successful then as he has been during this pansy era.Case closed.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Only mental retards say “fook”
Denarious has a hammy pull why dont you follow the Raiders and stop jocking the Clev Browns.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
A lot of personnel decisions have seemingly gone the Raiders way. Bartell, Spencer, Wheeler, Criner, Streater. Those are some players right there. Where the fook is Denarious? Dude has to get on the field.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
George Atkinson ran a 4.3 coming out of college.R.Lott ran something like a 4.3,4.4.those guys would have knocked Moss on his rear at the line of scrimmage and then beat him all the way down the field.If he happened to get by them,the safety would have taken his head off.Knowing and seeing how Moss was a quitter whenever things got tough,he wouldn’t have been as successful then as he has been during this pansy era.Case closed.
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Moss ran 4.2 and can jump out the gym sorry old guys still lose.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
JFB,are you trying to say Mays,Joe D,Williams could hit a 100mhp fastball and curves in the 40s and 50s but they wouldn’t be able to today.Bob Feller,Gibson,Juan M.,Koufax,etc. couldn’t pitch today?That is ludicrous.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
9.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
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My personal favourite was that time when you tried to speak english with Troy Brown on the sidelines wearing that sweater that resembled a 2 year olds art work.
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Never thought JR was as bad in interviews as people on this board have said he was. I always thought he was very forthright and gracious. But it cracks me up that some people try to make a correlation between speech patterns and QB play. Ever heard Kevin Kolb in an interview?? The guy should run for public office. Seen him play QB? He shouldn’t.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
myers was a pretty good TE in college but he is only so-so at this level. he can run a decent route and get open sometimes. and he will catch what’s around him most of the time. but he will not get much after the catch. he’s a decent if unspectacular blocker. he’s basically a solid backup. ausberry is a WR in a TE’s body. meaning, he doesn’t block well. and probably never will. gordon is big and athletic. he was recruited to miami for a reason. he can beat lb’s in coverage easily, but has a reputation for having paddles for hands. he’s made some catches recently but it’s hard to think he could become a bigtime receiver. we are stuck for the moment with myers.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
here’s the proof russell sucked:
in his time here, josh mccown, daunte culpepper, andrew walter, bruce gradkowski, and charlie frye all outperformed him with the exact same receivers, o-line, and offensive scheme. actually that last part isn’t true. if u remember, they couldn’t run their entire offense with russell in b/c he fell asleep during meetings and couldn’t retain it. drugs do that to u.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Pretty bad case Lefty.
Every era has Hall of Fame players. Lott and Atkinson back then, Troy and Rod Woodson more recently.
Moss would have done exactly the same thing back then, dominated most games, struggled very rarely against the elite.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
George Atkinson ran a 4.3 coming out of college.R.Lott ran something like a 4.3,4.4.those guys would have knocked Moss on his rear at the line of scrimmage and then beat him all the way down the field.If he happened to get by them,the safety would have taken his head off.Knowing and seeing how Moss was a quitter whenever things got tough,he wouldn’t have been as successful then as he has been during this pansy era.Case closed.
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Case closed indeed.
East, dont try the baloney about “new more athletic lineman today”. Defenses have never been so complex. The blitz’s have never came from more angles. If QBs were allowed to be hit, most wouldnt survive.
You lost this debate. Atkinson ran a 4.3, that kills most of your whole argument. Youre clinging to your belief anyways. It doesnt look good. There’s no shame in admitting that Moss is “only” the 5th or 6th greatest WR of all time.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
As far as comparing the past to now, I look it at in a simple comparision.
Rolando McClain is playing at a bigger listed size and weight than Lyle Alzado. And he is twice as fast.
We are about to cut players this week, that would have been Pro Bowlers in the 70’s.
To me, the only sport that stands the test of time is boxing. Guys from the 50’s would slaughter these guys today.
Baseball, basketball and football, just a different size and speed today, that the old generations never seen or could compete with.
My two cents.
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JFB gets it
August 27th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
True Rob, we have 3 different TEs, each with one solid skill, but no way to combine all 3 into 1.
I can see us snagging a TE after final cuts and cutting Gordon.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Pretty bad case Lefty.
Every era has Hall of Fame players. Lott and Atkinson back then, Troy and Rod Woodson more recently.
Moss would have done exactly the same thing back then, dominated most games, struggled very rarely against the elite.
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alex7 gets it
August 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
The Bills traded for Tavarius Jackson? WOW. Why in the he11 would anyone trade for that guy. Ive never seen him do anything that resembled good QB play.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Debo, you didn’t need to repost post #3 in case anybody missed it. Nobody would have.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Why bring up Atkinson? As if ONE elite player wipes out an argument that another player could still dominate.
What would Moss do to the other 20-something teams back then?
Torch.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
JAMISTA CLOWN!!! The only guy on earth who’s blow up doll walked out on him. Is Romney going to release his tax returns at the convention? How are your Cleveland Browns looking? Are they going to be a thorn in the Steelers, Bunglholes and Ravens sides? LMFAO!
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
You lost this debate. Atkinson ran a 4.3, that kills most of your whole argument. Youre clinging to your belief anyways. It doesnt look good. There’s no shame in admitting that Moss is “only” the 5th or 6th greatest WR of all time.
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Name me one wr from any era that can do what Moss does and I’LL tell where your wrong.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
George Atkinson ran a 4.3 coming out of college.R.Lott ran something like a 4.3,4.4.those guys would have knocked Moss on his rear at the line of scrimmage and then beat him all the way down the field.If he happened to get by them,the safety would have taken his head off.Knowing and seeing how Moss was a quitter whenever things got tough,he wouldn’t have been as successful then as he has been during this pansy era.Case closed.
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Moss ran 4.2 and can jump out the gym sorry old guys still lose.
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And that 4.2 did nothing against Charles Woodson.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
It’s like saying Dwight Howard wouldn’t dominate in the mid 1900s because Bill Russell was kinda awesome.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
WHEELER ….. huge pick-up … always doing what he is suppossed to.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Rob-I hope you realize I was being a smart a$$.THe comment no doubt went right over the head of the one it was meant for.////////////////////// I was gonna warn you that you were gonna do a fly-by, but decided to see how it played out.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
You lost this debate. Atkinson ran a 4.3, that kills most of your whole argument. Youre clinging to your belief anyways. It doesnt look good. There’s no shame in admitting that Moss is “only” the 5th or 6th greatest WR of all time.
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Name me one wr from any era that can do what Moss does and I’LL tell where your wrong.
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Nobody tried doing it from that era because their QB wouldnt have survived. Example, see our LA Raiders.
7 yard drops got your QB killed by the likes of Reggie White and Bruce Smith.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RaiderDebo,
Anyone who has one bit of common sense knows that the organization was driven by a madman for the past 10 years, at least.
Some are AD worshippers, and will fight against that theory with their dying breath.
That sort of dementedly driven organization cost a few players dearly, while most made outrageous fortunes.
I will debate anything with you, and pay respect at the end of the day…….any subject Raiders, except “you-know-who.”
I am done with him and wish the Raiders all the best to their new start.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Moss would have developed Gator-Murphy-arms early in his career, back in that era.imo
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
August 27th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
here’s the proof russell sucked:
in his time here, josh mccown, daunte culpepper, andrew walter, bruce gradkowski, and charlie frye all outperformed him with the exact same receivers, o-line, and offensive scheme. actually that last part isn’t true. if u remember, they couldn’t run their entire offense with russell in b/c he fell asleep during meetings and couldn’t retain it. drugs do that to u.
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Wrong again. In 2009, JR didn’t have Jerry Porter. More importantly, Culpepper, Walter and McCown didn’t have to play with Murphy and DHB (both rookies) as starters. And Bruise didn’t start one game without Chaz (our best receiver by far) as a starter. What did Bruise do when he replaced JR at halftime of the Jets and Chiefs games? Not a damn thing. On the flip side, JR was making a superstar out of Chaz at the end of 2008 and during the 2009 preseason before he got hurt. And when he got back in the lineup against Denver, he pulled out an improbable win considering how poor the pass pro was that day. Who was his go-to guy? Chaz. And when the hell did any of those other guys play with Kwame Harris at LT?? As far as running the entire offense, which offense are you talking about? He had to learn a completely new one after we let Knapp and DeFillipo go after the 2008 season (terrible decision).
August 27th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
#38 agreed. The Reg is bringing in some good players
August 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Are you ignoring comment #25?Anyone who believes the great players of yesteryear couldn’t preform today doesn’t know sports or just lives in denial.Never said Moss wasn’t great,but to say he was/is the greatest is foolish.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
WHEELER ….. huge pick-up … always doing what he is suppossed to.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
UNBELIEVABLE PICK-UP! We have haven’t had a LB like Wheeler……can’t remember when. He raises everyone’s game including Lamar Huston, who has suddenly become very alive.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
East, dont try the baloney about “new more athletic lineman today”.
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If you cant see that olinemen aer better and more athletic today you ARE delusional. Opace Jogden to name a few. I wonder why LTs get paid more these days Hmmm?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RaiderDebo,
Anyone who has one bit of common sense knows that the organization was driven by a madman for the past 10 years, at least.
Some are AD worshippers, and will fight against that theory with their dying breath.
That sort of dementedly driven organization cost a few players dearly, while most made outrageous fortunes.
I will debate anything with you, and pay respect at the end of the day…….any subject Raiders, except “you-know-who.”
I am done with him and wish the Raiders all the best to their new start.
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Fair enough.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Kitna was Palmer’s mentor? That explains the INTs.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Rod Streater is already better than Moss
LMAO
August 27th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
You lost this debate. Atkinson ran a 4.3, that kills most of your whole argument. Youre clinging to your belief anyways. It doesnt look good. There’s no shame in admitting that Moss is “only” the 5th or 6th greatest WR of all time.
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Name me one wr from any era that can do what Moss does and I’LL tell where your wrong.
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Nobody tried doing it from that era because their QB wouldnt have survived. Example, see our LA Raiders.
7 yard drops got your QB killed by the likes of Reggie White and Bruce Smith.
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ANSWER THE QUESTION RIFF NAME ONE JUST ONE FROM ANY ERA
August 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
It’s like saying Dwight Howard wouldn’t dominate in the mid 1900s because Bill Russell was kinda awesome.
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And Dwight would not have dominated. He has too slow of feet. Post play is all about footwork.
Since Shaq came into the league David Stern had the refs call the games differently so that Shaq could get away with numerous offensive fouls. Great rebounder and defender Shaq was, offensive weapon he wasnt. We know what happened when he went up against a true HOF center in Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq got schooled. Then he later got schooled by David Robinson. Then the rules changed in his favor.
And dont say that Shaq got better with age. His game NEVER changed. He was the exact same player in his prime that he was in his early days. In fact, early on I think he was better being that he was about 80 lbs lighter and could really run the floor.
Centers of the 80s and 90s would eat guys like Shaq up for lunch.
Dwight Howard though I think could have been great. Really great but he should have went and played 3 years at Georgetown to learn the game more. AAU bball has killed the sport. The kids dont learn the fundamentals and the NBA doesnt teach em either. Dwight Howard even said as much in interviews.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
JFB,are you trying to say Mays,Joe D,Williams could hit a 100mhp fastball and curves in the 40s and 50s but they wouldn’t be able to today.Bob Feller,Gibson,Juan M.,Koufax,etc. couldn’t pitch today?That is ludicrous.
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I am saying they wouldn’t be as successful.
Juan M pitching into the 14th innings of games? Not happening today.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
#35-Warren Wells,Lance ‘Bambi’ Alworth,Cliff Branch,John Jefferson,R.C.Owens,and many more.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Rod Streater is already better than Moss
LMAO
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just stop
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
9.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
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My personal favourite was that time when you tried to speak english with Troy Brown on the sidelines wearing that sweater that resembled a 2 year olds art work.
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hahahahaha!!!!!! yeah, those sweaters started with bill cosby. and got worse and worse.
and now i understand debo. he thinks wearing the super-nugget diamonds and fur coats and shades and all that are “going against the grain”. actually not. just about every poor black guy who idolizes pimps and hustlers would do the same thing when they struck it rich. if anything, he was doing exactly what was expected by so many naysayers. but u can get away with it if ur good. unfortunately he wasn’t.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
You lost this debate. Atkinson ran a 4.3, that kills most of your whole argument. Youre clinging to your belief anyways. It doesnt look good. There’s no shame in admitting that Moss is “only” the 5th or 6th greatest WR of all time.
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Name me one wr from any era that can do what Moss does and I’LL tell where your wrong.
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Nobody tried doing it from that era because their QB wouldnt have survived. Example, see our LA Raiders.
7 yard drops got your QB killed by the likes of Reggie White and Bruce Smith.
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ANSWER THE QUESTION RIFF NAME ONE JUST ONE FROM ANY ERA
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Your question has no merit. Moss played in an era where he couldnt get hit. In any other era a guy of his physical skills went and played basketball instead.
Moss arguably wasnt even the best of his era. How you going to be the best of all time when their are two guys who can argue they were as good as him?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
lol Riff
If you want to see how Dwight would do in the 1950s, watch our Olympic team play Uganda.
Athleticism trumps.
You act like all those 25-year old ex-Hoosiers had lightning-quick footspeed in the NBA back then.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Regarding the fastest 40 ever run by an NFL player, there are lots of players noted to have been clocked around 4.1, such as Darrell Green, Deion Sanders, Raghib Ismail, Joey Galloway to name but a few. There are also many notable burners over the years who could have no doubt ran in the 4.1 range, such as Willie Gault, Bob Hayes, Cliff Branch and so on. There have been pure sprinters who have tried their hands at pro football who also should be mentioned, such as Renaldo Nehemiah, Alexander Wright and Jimmy Hines. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_the_world%27s_fastest_runner_in_the_40-yard_dash Of course, they were using hourglasses or something as timers back then when dinosaurs roamed the earth so you can’t take those times seriously.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Raider Nation!~
August 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
It’s like saying Dwight Howard wouldn’t dominate in the mid 1900s because Bill Russell was kinda awesome.
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And Dwight would not have dominated. He has too slow of feet. Post play is all about footwork.
Since Shaq came into the league David Stern had the refs call the games differently so that Shaq could get away with numerous offensive fouls. Great rebounder and defender Shaq was, offensive weapon he wasnt. We know what happened when he went up against a true HOF center in Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq got schooled. Then he later got schooled by David Robinson. Then the rules changed in his favor.
And dont say that Shaq got better with age. His game NEVER changed. He was the exact same player in his prime that he was in his early days. In fact, early on I think he was better being that he was about 80 lbs lighter and could really run the floor.
Centers of the 80s and 90s would eat guys like Shaq up for lunch.
Dwight Howard though I think could have been great. Really great but he should have went and played 3 years at Georgetown to learn the game more. AAU bball has killed the sport. The kids dont learn the fundamentals and the NBA doesnt teach em either. Dwight Howard even said as much in interviews.
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you oldschool guys kill me lol its cool hold onto your boy hood idols
August 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Chaz Powell would have been a starting safety in the 70’s.
Instead, he is about to go work at Whataburger.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
East, dont try the baloney about “new more athletic lineman today”.
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If you cant see that olinemen aer better and more athletic today you ARE delusional. Opace Jogden to name a few. I wonder why LTs get paid more these days Hmmm?
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So what. Exotic blitz’s still made the 5 & 7 step drops useless until the new rules made QBs untouchable.
Moss’ game doesnt work unless a QB has all day to sit back there.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
JFB,agreed he wouldn’t be allowed to go 14 any longer,but disagree that he wouldn’t have been just as successful.I’d venture to say he’d be even better with the way the talent is diluted due to expansion.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
lol Riff
If you want to see how Dwight would do in the 1950s, watch our Olympic team play Uganda.
Athleticism trumps.
You act like all those 25-year old ex-Hoosiers had lightning-quick footspeed in the NBA back then.
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50s? C’mon. I aint talking 50s.
Im talking 80s on up.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
whoa, Moss wasn’t allowed to be hit? We’re talking the 2000s.
Troy Polamalu, John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, Brian Dawkins, Adrian Wilson, Darren Sharper, Ed Reed…
I think those boys could hit a little.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
BTW, athleticism only triumphs in todays basetball because these days its anything but basketball. The rules are written so skill prevails. David Stern has nixed that.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Riff
you replied to the post about Howard in the MID 1900s with Russell.
Stay on point scatter-brain
August 27th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
#35-Warren Wells,Lance ‘Bambi’ Alworth,Cliff Branch,John Jefferson,R.C.Owens,and many more.
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wells and branch had speed but not the size jumping ability body control and ability of Moss dont even know those other bums. and RIFF I see you couldnt name one once again case closed old guys lose.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Riff
you replied to the post about Howard in the MID 1900s with Russell.
Stay on point scatter-brain
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I never mentioned Bill Russel ever.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
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what ? im not vince young
August 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
whoa, Moss wasn’t allowed to be hit? We’re talking the 2000s.
Troy Polamalu, John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, Brian Dawkins, Adrian Wilson, Darren Sharper, Ed Reed…
I think those boys could hit a little.
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lol but they cant hit him because he’ll burn they ass. toasted oven roasted lol
August 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
One of the least heralded rookie qbs has impressed me the most. dominique davis has looked really smooth as a pro, he could have a solid career, i though that raiders should have taken a flyer on him.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
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what ? im not vince young
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Dang. I was hoping you could give us some insight.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
You don’t even know who they are and you have an opinion about them.OK.I’m done.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
The Whiners are not going to keep 4 Q’s. Who do they get rid of?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
9.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
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My personal favourite was that time when you tried to speak english with Troy Brown on the sidelines wearing that sweater that resembled a 2 year olds art work.
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hahahahaha!!!!!! yeah, those sweaters started with bill cosby. and got worse and worse.
and now i understand debo. he thinks wearing the super-nugget diamonds and fur coats and shades and all that are “going against the grain”. actually not. just about every poor black guy who idolizes pimps and hustlers would do the same thing when they struck it rich. if anything, he was doing exactly what was expected by so many naysayers. but u can get away with it if ur good. unfortunately he wasn’t.
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Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Chaz Powell would have been a starting safety in the 70’s.
Instead, he is about to go work at Whataburger.
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damn thats sad but true
August 27th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Careful,Alias and remember which one of you is talking.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
hell lonyae miller would have been a HOFer if he played in the 70’s
August 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
pretty simple guys. randy moss could be amazing and was many times. a huge talent. he didn’t run the greatest routes b/c he didn’t have to. just throw the ball in his general area and he could get it.
here’s the problem: he was sometimes an assh0le. he didn’t try all the time. he wasn’t a leader by any stretch. he was great if u already had great people around. period.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Athleticism has ALWAYS prevailed.
Dr. J – uber athlete.
Wilt – uber athlete.
Dominique – uber
Pistol Pete – uber
David Robinson, Hakeem, Barkley, George Gervin – ubers.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Chaz Powell would have been a starting safety in the 70’s.
Instead, he is about to go work at Whataburger.
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damn thats sad but true
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lets not forget they have a college edumecation
August 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
All of those guys you just listed hat high basketball IQs
Todays NBAer typically doesnt. Thank the AAU system.
But todays NBAer doesnt need a high basketball IQ. Thank David Stern.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
nothing says “I think very highly of myself” more than the “. period!” ending to comments
August 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
So this pre-season Moss has had 3 catches for 24 yards, but somehow he can roast everyone.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
One of the least heralded rookie qbs has impressed me the most. dominique davis has looked really smooth as a pro, he could have a solid career, i though that raiders should have taken a flyer on him.
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Do I even have to google his name. Let me guess, he is a black QB, no?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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I think the stereotypical image of a poor black man hitting the jack pot would end like Bam Morris or that Cowboys O-lineman or Rae Carruth. JaBustus is just an idiot and waste of talent like Ryan Leaf, Marinovich and a boat load of other fools, black or white.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yep. Gayle Sayers, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, even O.J. were just a bunch of posers. Oh, Jim Brown, too.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
How ’s it going Tx
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Mistic, is Dominique Davis better than Matt Ryan?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
dude,
you can’t even MEASURE basketball IQ so you’re making up a variable.
I’ll give you 5 John Stocktons vs my 5 “low basketball IQ” Lebrons. Go.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
9.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
*************
My personal favourite was that time when you tried to speak english with Troy Brown on the sidelines wearing that sweater that resembled a 2 year olds art work.
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hahahahaha!!!!!! yeah, those sweaters started with bill cosby. and got worse and worse.
and now i understand debo. he thinks wearing the super-nugget diamonds and fur coats and shades and all that are “going against the grain”. actually not. just about every poor black guy who idolizes pimps and hustlers would do the same thing when they struck it rich. if anything, he was doing exactly what was expected by so many naysayers. but u can get away with it if ur good. unfortunately he wasn’t.
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Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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nope. i’m not anti-young-black-people. i actually dig the look. he looked like andre 3000 or huggy bear. but it is a sign sometimes of a guy whose priorities are wrong. there are plenty of young black guys who make it big but don’t instantly become a look-a-like for superfly. the point is that regardless of his style, he wasn’t being original and more importantly, it’s the only thing he seemed to care about. flaunting his wealth and trying to act like a “baller” and sucking big time at football.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Debo,
JR should have hired you to be his PR man. Congrats for being one of the few guys that understood JR when he spoke. I sure as heck couldnt understand what he was talking about.
As for Houston, I think the kid will have a break out year this year. I dont think Shonasty is back to normal yet. Prob one more year for him but Houston has been very impressive on that Dline so far.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
So what. Exotic blitz’s still made the 5 & 7 step drops useless until the new rules made QBs untouchable.
Moss’ game doesnt work unless a QB has all day to sit back there.
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doesnt take Moss all day to get downfield 4.2 speed buddy
and the exotic blitzs you speak of have been around awhile see pitt from early 90’s
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
So this pre-season Moss has had 3 catches for 24 yards, but somehow he can roast everyone.
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Im not saying the guy was garbage. Heck, I think he’s a top 5 guy. That is hardly low praise.
I just know that he benefited greatly from the era he played. 10 years earlier and he is playing basketball and Shaq is a defensive end. Its pretty simple.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Rand Moss would have been great until Jack Tatum knocked his helmet off. He probably would have checked out after that and dedicated life to smoking weed.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Dan
Not bad man, the blog “regressed” to Jawalrus and Moss talk.lol
August 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Just finished reviewing ponder and joe webb in their 3rd pre season. ponder looked like a struggling 2nd year qb, and took a step back from his last two outings. Webb was well joe webb. he threw nice tight spirals made plays with his feet and was looking like an improved player overall.
The commentators made an excuse for ponder with this familiar gem
“its unfair to judge ponder until he gets to play with peterson i the line up”
CTFU
August 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yep. Gayle Sayers, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, even O.J. were just a bunch of posers. Oh, Jim Brown, too.
Plug Lonyae Miller right in that list. Anywhere.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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I think the stereotypical image of a poor black man hitting the jack pot would end like Bam Morris or that Cowboys O-lineman or Rae Carruth. JaBustus is just an idiot and waste of talent like Ryan Leaf, Marinovich and a boat load of other fools, black or white.
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Yeah, but it’s too bad that stereotype doesn’t apply to the Ryan Fitzpatrick’s of the world. His going into the tank last year almost perfectly coincided with the huge contract he signed. Yet not a peep from anyone about him being “overpaid” or “getting lazy once he got paid”. Chris Johnson must be jealous.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Rand Moss would have been great until Jack Tatum knocked his helmet off. He probably would have checked out after that and dedicated life to smoking weed.
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Agreed, he wouldn’t have made it through practice with those guys.imo
August 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Just finished reviewing ponder and joe webb in their 3rd pre season. ponder looked like a struggling 2nd year qb, and took a step back from his last two outings. Webb was well joe webb. he threw nice tight spirals made plays with his feet and was looking like an improved player overall.
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Oh Jesus! LMAO
August 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Debo, you’ve been owned time and time again. Do you enjoy the beatings or are you a Jabustus hater just prying posters to feed your fire?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Dan
Not bad man, the blog “regressed” to Jawalrus and Moss talk.lol
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Whats a blog without a lazy fat piece of turd and a biatch that wont go down the middle. lol
August 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Debo must be Jamarcus. Mistic is probably Jason Campbell.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
pg-JKIDD
SG-KOBE
SF-LBJ
PF-KG
C-SHAQ
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No team from any era beats this squad.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
So what. Exotic blitz’s still made the 5 & 7 step drops useless until the new rules made QBs untouchable.
Moss’ game doesnt work unless a QB has all day to sit back there.
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doesnt take Moss all day to get downfield 4.2 speed buddy
and the exotic blitzs you speak of have been around awhile see pitt from early 90’s
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Since when did I say exotic blitz’s were new? I just said that the QB being off limits has made blitzing less effective than it once was. The QB being off limits is a new phenomenon that has artificially boosted offensive numbers and extended the careers of players that never would have lasted earlier in the NFL. That isnt a unreasonable claim.
4.2 is great. Try it more than once and Reggie White would have put your QB on the IR.
Suh would do the same thing if it didnt cost him 100k every time he hit the QB a tad late.
They changed the game.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
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You gossipy cross-posting btch!
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Dan78 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Dan
Not bad man, the blog “regressed” to Jawalrus and Moss talk.lol
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Whats a blog without a lazy fat piece of turd and a biatch that wont go down the middle. lol
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I’d guess some may have admired his fur coat swagger off the field, and diamond earrings that would make Nelly jealous.lol
August 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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I think the stereotypical image of a poor black man hitting the jack pot would end like Bam Morris or that Cowboys O-lineman or Rae Carruth. JaBustus is just an idiot and waste of talent like Ryan Leaf, Marinovich and a boat load of other fools, black or white.
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there are tons of idiots out there. lots of black and white cliches. russell woulda seemed cool if he was any good. unfortunately, he was a really big kid with a great arm that had a big game against notre dame. which led to him getting a ton of money and he immediately found it really important to be a “player” and have a huge entourage and drink cough syrup and but lots of flashy stuff. then he lost all of his physical ability. a sad commentary on what we all know: lots of poor black kids idolize the wrong guys. but look at the beverly hillbillies. u can take the hoodrat/hillbilly out of the hood/hills but u can’t take the hood/hills out of the hoodrat/hillbilly.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
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I’d guess some may have admired his fur coat swagger off the field, and diamond earrings that would make Nelly jealous.lol
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I think his mom dropped some crayolas in the washer before he wore his sweater to LSU game
August 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
102.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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I think the stereotypical image of a poor black man hitting the jack pot would end like Bam Morris or that Cowboys O-lineman or Rae Carruth. JaBustus is just an idiot and waste of talent like Ryan Leaf, Marinovich and a boat load of other fools, black or white.
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Yeah, but it’s too bad that stereotype doesn’t apply to the Ryan Fitzpatrick’s of the world. His going into the tank last year almost perfectly coincided with the huge contract he signed. Yet not a peep from anyone about him being “overpaid” or “getting lazy once he got paid”. Chris Johnson must be jealous.
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Reason being, he actually gave a sh!t and continued to reportedly work hard throughout the season and offseason. Not to mention his stud RB getting hurt to go along with a star studded WR core with the house hold name of Stevie Johnson being his #1. Chris Johnson held out of camp and DEMANDED a raise. What els you got?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Rand Moss would have been great until Jack Tatum knocked his helmet off. He probably would have checked out after that and dedicated life to smoking weed.
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Agreed, he wouldn’t have made it through practice with those guys.imo
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you oldschoolers just dont get it you cant hit what you cant see rumble young man rumble lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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I think the stereotypical image of a poor black man hitting the jack pot would end like Bam Morris or that Cowboys O-lineman or Rae Carruth. JaBustus is just an idiot and waste of talent like Ryan Leaf, Marinovich and a boat load of other fools, black or white.
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Yeah, but it’s too bad that stereotype doesn’t apply to the Ryan Fitzpatrick’s of the world. His going into the tank last year almost perfectly coincided with the huge contract he signed. Yet not a peep from anyone about him being “overpaid” or “getting lazy once he got paid”. Chris Johnson must be jealous.
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that’s because he’s white and we like white people.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
pg-JKIDD
SG-KOBE
SF-LBJ
PF-KG
C-SHAQ
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No team from any era beats this squad.
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Kidd – Legit
Kobe – chemistry killer
Lebron – Barkley eats him for lunch
KG – oh how I wish he would have played at least two years in college
Shaq – He still has nightmares of Hakeem
Heres the team that destroys that one…
PG – Magic Johnson
SG – Michael Jordan
SF – Larry Bird
PF – Dennis Rodman
C – Hakeem Olajuwon
And yeah, BBall IQ can be measured, by coaches. Being that my step father was one, I think I know a thing or two about the game.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Tx so did you like how the D played last game?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Dan78 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
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I’d guess some may have admired his fur coat swagger off the field, and diamond earrings that would make Nelly jealous.lol
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I think his mom dropped some crayolas in the washer before he wore his sweater to LSU game
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Wasted talent is hard to see, the money played a role obviously, but the slug looked decent in college..
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
but ryan fitzpatrick earned his money on an nfl field. he actually had a good year. russell sucked all the time.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Dan
Hell yeah man the D was on fire!
August 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
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What’s funny is that Mistic tries real hard to deny that he is a racist.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
“there are plenty of young black guys who make it big but don’t instantly become a look-a-like for superfly.”
perfect line to read on my way out of here. Funny stuff. Take care guys.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
121.rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
but ryan fitzpatrick earned his money on an nfl field. he actually had a good year. russell sucked all the time.
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^^Truth
August 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
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You gossipy cross-posting btch!
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hahahaha. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the sofa again KK? I mean you don’t really sleep with your wife do you?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
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Just wait. It will come once Cutler throws a couple INTs.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
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What’s funny is that Mistic tries real hard to deny that he is a racist.
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You’re an Uncle Tom
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
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oh no not you again webb > ponder
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
They were killing them upfront
The Burrminator looked alot more comfortable out there
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Since when did I say exotic blitz’s were new? I just said that the QB being off limits has made blitzing less effective than it once was. The QB being off limits is a new phenomenon that has artificially boosted offensive numbers and extended the careers of players that never would have lasted earlier in the NFL. That isnt a unreasonable claim.
4.2 is great. Try it more than once and Reggie White would have put your QB on the IR.
Suh would do the same thing if it didnt cost him 100k every time he hit the QB a tad late.
They changed the game.
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Riff qbs still get hit and hit hard see peyton manning and rich gannan its still football bro just with more skill instead of cave man ball er 70’s ball
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Riff
basketball IQ can not be measured. It’s just what people say when a white player has some good athleticism and is a good player.
Coaches will say a guy (usually white) has basketball IQ. What he means is that guy can ball. That’s it.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
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What’s funny is that Mistic tries real hard to deny that he is a racist.
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You’re an Uncle Tom
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And youre an out-of-work real estate agent.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@104, me too.
There are 32 teams and Mistic is all about the black qb being wronged. I’m surprised he hasnt talked about JC starting over Cutler.
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What’s funny is that Mistic tries real hard to deny that he is a racist.
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You’re an Uncle Tom
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You’re an Uncle Festus.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
9.RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Hey Debo, have you pawned that ugly ass diamond-crusted-slim-dreaming-looking jersey of a necklace charm yet?
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Loved that thing. But nothing beats the shades and fur coats at post-game news conferences. The guy went against the grain. I love that sht.
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My personal favourite was that time when you tried to speak english with Troy Brown on the sidelines wearing that sweater that resembled a 2 year olds art work.
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hahahahaha!!!!!! yeah, those sweaters started with bill cosby. and got worse and worse.
and now i understand debo. he thinks wearing the super-nugget diamonds and fur coats and shades and all that are “going against the grain”. actually not. just about every poor black guy who idolizes pimps and hustlers would do the same thing when they struck it rich. if anything, he was doing exactly what was expected by so many naysayers. but u can get away with it if ur good. unfortunately he wasn’t.
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Yeah, God forbid he act like “just about every poor black guy” who made good with his talent and hard work. The guy wasn’t a phony. He was a dude from the south who was just being himself. Unacceptable in a lot of people’s eyes I guess.
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nope. i’m not anti-young-black-people. i actually dig the look. he looked like andre 3000 or huggy bear. but it is a sign sometimes of a guy whose priorities are wrong. there are plenty of young black guys who make it big but don’t instantly become a look-a-like for superfly. the point is that regardless of his style, he wasn’t being original and more importantly, it’s the only thing he seemed to care about. flaunting his wealth and trying to act like a “baller” and sucking big time at football.
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Flaunting his wealth, huh? Like Joe Namath? And my point has always been that he didn’t suck nearly as much as he’s been accused of. He actually managed to salvage a pretty decent year in his 1st year as a starter, just ask Greg Knapp. 2009 was a disaster, but he was only a small part of the problem in my opinion. Al must’ve shared that opinion because just a year later, he cleaned house. He fails on just about any other team, except for the Browns or the Millen-led Lions, and you may have a point. But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
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You gossipy cross-posting btch!
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hahahaha. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the sofa again KK? I mean you don’t really sleep with your wife do you?
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Leave my wife out of It, you btch Troll
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
yeah, offenses have a thing called max protection and 9-routes that are still in their playbook, even to this day. Amazing.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Yeah man Wheeler was flyin’ and so was Burris, nice effort by Houston and Gio too.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Since when did I say exotic blitz’s were new? I just said that the QB being off limits has made blitzing less effective than it once was. The QB being off limits is a new phenomenon that has artificially boosted offensive numbers and extended the careers of players that never would have lasted earlier in the NFL. That isnt a unreasonable claim.
4.2 is great. Try it more than once and Reggie White would have put your QB on the IR.
Suh would do the same thing if it didnt cost him 100k every time he hit the QB a tad late.
They changed the game.
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Riff qbs still get hit and hit hard see peyton manning and rich gannan its still football bro just with more skill instead of cave man ball er 70’s ball
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But Im not even talking 70s ball.
I think athleticism changed a lot in the 80s and 90s (in both sports) and it caught up to scheme and talent.
For me, that is when both leagues peaked.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
You could pick a BBteam from any era and they would destroy the one East put out there.How about:
Oscar R.
West
Barry
Dr. J
Wilt
and Russell off the bench
August 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Riff/Brien, you’re an out of work Troll
August 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Debo must be Jamarcus. Mistic is probably Jason Campbell.
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Has to be.
How else can you explain these two pathetically hanging on the sac of these busts/mediocre players?
I mean, besides the fact they are black?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Riff/Brien, you’re an out of work Troll
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From what I read here, so are you.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
And I’m not even a BBall fan.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
It’s good to see coach say they are getting better each practice for some reason coach Allen just sounds more beleivable then hue Jackson ever did who ever canned Jackson Reggie or mark good move that move looks better each day this Dennis Allen guy looks sounds smells acts like a winner
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
but ryan fitzpatrick earned his money on an nfl field. he actually had a good year. russell sucked all the time.
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Had a good year????? When?? He threw 17 picks during the 2nd half of last season. He made Carson look like Aaron Rodgers! And that’s with a supposed genious IQ (proof that NFL football isn’t for rocket scientists). Didn’t come close to making the playoffs. How the hell is that a good year?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Riff
basketball IQ can not be measured. It’s just what people say when a white player has some good athleticism and is a good player.
Coaches will say a guy (usually white) has basketball IQ. What he means is that guy can ball. That’s it.
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It sure can be measured. I wish I could sit and watch a game with you. I’d point out every time a player knew what he was doing and when he was winging it.
Kids dont get coached these days. AAU is horrible for the game. They dont learn the mental side of it. And it’s a shame because it’s robbing us fans of a lot of insanely good players that would have been even better than the guys in the 90s. The physical talent these days is better than ever. But the game itself has never been played or ref’d poorer.
Bums me out to watch.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Rob, does Brien have his hand up your skirt, too
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Man, with Vince Young being let go has anyone seen Mistic?
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You gossipy cross-posting btch!
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hahahaha. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the sofa again KK? I mean you don’t really sleep with your wife do you?
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Leave my wife out of It, you btch Troll
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Jeez KK take it easy. You seem to be melting down faster than normal. Did your Imaginary “million dollar escrow” fall out? Or, here let me guess, it never happened in the lst place. I have tons of friends who grew up and lived their whole lives in Alameda. None of them have ever heard of you. Other than that one Safeway bagger who told you to stop harrassing Randy Moss.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Riff lives in Italy. Kell lives in the dog house.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
PG – Magic Johnson- good matchup with kidd
SG – Michael Jordan-great matchup with kobe cancel out
SF – Larry Bird-lebron kills bird bad
PF – Dennis Rodman-give kg a hard time but he scores over the top
C – Hakeem Olajuwon-2000 shaq dominates any center not 94 shaq.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Riff/Brien, you’re an out of work Troll
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Thats why Im posting from Europe. Where Ive been traveling on vacation since before the draft.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Debo must be Jamarcus. Mistic is probably Jason Campbell.
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I mean, besides the fact they are black?
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At the end of the day, that’s all it really comes down to with you, huh? You gave yourself away a few posts ago, should’ve figured. Debating with you was a waste of time.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
You could pick a BBteam from any era and they would destroy the one East put out there.How about:
Oscar R.
West
Barry
Dr. J
Wilt
and Russell off the bench
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this team gets blown out bad.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
C-Joan Rivers `91 dominates Tonya Harding
August 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
PG – Magic Johnson- good matchup with kidd
SG – Michael Jordan-great matchup with kobe cancel out
SF – Larry Bird-lebron kills bird bad
PF – Dennis Rodman-give kg a hard time but he scores over the top
C – Hakeem Olajuwon-2000 shaq dominates any center not 94 shaq.
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It really depends on what era of refs we are talking. The game was ref’d differently back in the 90s.
If its the ‘00 era and later, sure, Shaq dominates and so does Lebron. But in real basketball, Lebron ends up playing power forward against Rodman, and Rodman handles him just like he used to handle Karl Malone.
Lebron commits a ton of offensive fouls each game that go uncalled.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Man, someone must have mixed up KK’s meds at the old folks home.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Magic > Kidd
Jordan > Kobe
Rodman would be guarding Lebron
Hakeem > Shag
Bird would dominate in any era
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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What team do you cheer for?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Rob, does Brien have his hand up your skirt, too
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From what I hear of your wife, it appears the last thing she worries about is anyone putting their hand up her skirt.
Especially you.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Simple Russell and Campbell sucked as well as Marinovich, Wilson,and Tui. Couldn’t get the job done. Move on
August 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
East,I know you probably don’t even know who those guys are but they’d kick the crap out of any team you put together today.They all knew HOW to play the game.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
hey but my dad would be with riff and lefty all the way we have this debate all the time and he gets so pissed at me lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
East,I know you probably don’t even know who those guys are but they’d kick the crap out of any team you put together today.They all knew HOW to play the game.
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I know those guys left they just wouldnt be able to keep up c,mon west an barry against kobe and lebron that is an insane mismatch thaey just dont have the athletic ability.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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What team do you cheer for?
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Been a Raider fan for 30 years. Defended Al’s decisions no matter how crazy they seemed until he dumped JR. That really opened my eyes to the dysfunction and I was pissed that JR got scapegoated. Still a fan, but now I’m much more critical. Not quite the same without the uniqueness of Al, but it’s a new beginning. Still think a few more changes need to take place, but I’m on board with the new reginme.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
oh no not you again webb > ponder
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Mistic,
Who the F is Joe Webb and Ponder? Joe Webb and Ponder? That’s like debating the guards on the Hornets. Why dont you break down the film on 2 white QBs in this league? There are 32 teams. I am sure most do have first and 2nd string non-black related QBs.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
but ryan fitzpatrick earned his money on an nfl field. he actually had a good year. russell sucked all the time.
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Had a good year????? When?? He threw 17 picks during the 2nd half of last season. He made Carson look like Aaron Rodgers! And that’s with a supposed genious IQ (proof that NFL football isn’t for rocket scientists). Didn’t come close to making the playoffs. How the hell is that a good year?
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the year before, he had what was considered a breakout year. and he started off well last year. look, he’s probably not hat good. a guy who overachieved and may never be that good again. but russell never approached what fitzpatrick has already done. russell showed flashes of promise. i had hopes too. but his own actions doomed him. i make a case that he caused the raiders to look far worse than the raiders made him look. he might have been good if he would have tried and not been a drug addict.
as for namath, that’s my point. have all the flair and style u want but be good on the field. otherwise, u look like an idiot.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
breaking down the raider game vs detroit, i want to give palmer a little credit. Palmer teased us with a very nice opening drive, and the second possession was nice as well. he made throws to every level looked smooth in the pocket and had the offense moving. he played under control.
palmer also looked to DHB and this is going to be very important. For as many people rip DHB his hard work and natural talent have made him clearly the best receiver on the team. The deep pass to DHB was clearly nder thrown and could have been picked, however DHB was able to go up and make the play. You can live with a deep ball that isnt exactly perfect when you have a receiver in one on one coverage that is able to high point the ball. people will argue that palmer was “bailed out” by the wr, but this was the right read and executed well enough as the qb and receiver always have the advantage in this scenario.
Palmer must replicate his first two drives and get the ball to his best wr early and often if he wants to have a decent season.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
hey but my dad would be with riff and lefty all the way we have this debate all the time and he gets so pissed at me lol.
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I used to go on recruiting trips all the time just a few short years ago. Evaluate talent with my friend who coached D-II university ball. I got a good handle on the game today and Im not nearly as old as you think I am.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
oh no not you again webb > ponder
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Mistic,
Who the F is Joe Webb and Ponder? Joe Webb and Ponder? That’s like debating the guards on the Hornets. Why dont you break down the film on 2 white QBs in this league? There are 32 teams. I am sure most do have first and 2nd string non-black related QBs.
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Why is the race of the qb so important to you? are you saying that If it were two white qbs you would be ok with it?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Dan78 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Simple Russell and Campbell sucked as well as Marinovich, Wilson,and Tui. Couldn’t get the job done. Move on
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pretty much says it all
August 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Flaunting his wealth, huh? Like Joe Namath? And my point has always been that he didn’t suck nearly as much as he’s been accused of. He actually managed to salvage a pretty decent year in his 1st year as a starter, just ask Greg Knapp. 2009 was a disaster, but he was only a small part of the problem in my opinion. Al must’ve shared that opinion because just a year later, he cleaned house. He fails on just about any other team, except for the Browns or the Millen-led Lions, and you may have a point. But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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Oh sure.
It’s Al’s fault JR had that rating of 8 or so for one game, and 12 on another.
12.
qb rating of 12.
And of course Al’s fault JR showed up fat and out of shape. After all, Al paid him, which got JR that lifetime Buffet Pass at Country Kitchen.
And somehow Al made JR sleepy. Pretty much every meeting.
And of course it’s not JR’s fault he refused to study the playbook. Nope. That’s on the team as well.
You’re a pansy, debo.
A slow clueless pansy.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
The game was ref’d differently back in the 90s.
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Did MJ not push off on the final shot of his career with the bulls against the Jazz oh yeah they were called the jordan rules.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
debo—so u don’t think russell’s drug addiction was a problem?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Riff I’m 30 YOU?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Pretty much the same.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Jeez KK take it easy. You seem to be melting down faster than normal. Did your Imaginary “million dollar escrow” fall out? Or, here let me guess, it never happened in the lst place. I have tons of friends who grew up and lived their whole lives in Alameda. None of them have ever heard of you. Other than that one Safeway bagger who told you to stop harrassing Randy Moss.
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You’ve obviously heard of me you cross-posting btch
August 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Posting from Europe going on recruiting trips no recession for RIFF huh?
August 27th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Rob, does Brien have his hand up your skirt, too
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From what I hear of your wife, it appears the last thing she worries about is anyone putting their hand up her skirt.
Especially you.
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I’d spit right in you face.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
but ryan fitzpatrick earned his money on an nfl field. he actually had a good year. russell sucked all the time.
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Had a good year????? When?? He threw 17 picks during the 2nd half of last season. He made Carson look like Aaron Rodgers! And that’s with a supposed genious IQ (proof that NFL football isn’t for rocket scientists). Didn’t come close to making the playoffs. How the hell is that a good year?
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the year before, he had what was considered a breakout year. and he started off well last year. look, he’s probably not hat good. a guy who overachieved and may never be that good again. but russell never approached what fitzpatrick has already done. russell showed flashes of promise. i had hopes too. but his own actions doomed him. i make a case that he caused the raiders to look far worse than the raiders made him look. he might have been good if he would have tried and not been a drug addict.
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He didn’t have nearly as much time at Fitz. It takes a while for young QBs. The fact that he showed flashes, especially when some of them came late in 2009, during the summer and in the 1st minicamp, makes me think Al should have been a little more patient. The guy had only been a starter for a season and a half. Hue was in the building and DHB and Murphy had more experience. Chaz was back. There was a real QB with experience and professionalism as a mentor/competition on the roster in JC. I think Al gave up too soon and will leave it at that.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The game was ref’d differently back in the 90s.
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Did MJ not push off on the final shot of his career with the bulls against the Jazz oh yeah they were called the jordan rules.
August 27th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
See you fans later planes about to takeoff
CrossPosting trolls go fk your pathetic selves
August 27th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Whenever Alias is here with his multiple sock-puppets this place goes to he!!-why,because he baits and so many fall for it hook,line,and sinker.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
KK
You know it’s rude to wear a smelly diaper on a crowded plane. C’mon man!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
debo—so u don’t think russell’s drug addiction was a problem?
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To think his “drug addiction” was a problem, I would have to know that he had a drug addiction. Unless you’re privy to information I don’t have, I don’t know how you know he had an addiction. I doubt very much that was his problem. His main issues were on the field IMO, much like Sam Bradford last year.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
See you fans later planes about to takeoff
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LOL
Really?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Something happened at the 8:03 mark. palmer was in gaol line and he looked to pass, the pocket was clean. plamer started to get happy feet and broke into a panic, he then stumbled into trouble and took a sack. on the next series he was wild on a pass intended to streater again with a completely clean pocket. this could be a result of lack of timing with the receiver but the next play was horrific. Palmer setting up a screen never stops his feet while back pedaling with defenders not even within 3 yards of him, chucks to the d tackle.
palmer looked ridiculous on this series of plays and these play will cause a team to lose. These are the exact kind of plays other qbs have been blasted here before.
once again contained within a single half of football you see the good the bad and the ugly with palmer.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
debo—cough syrup, sleepy, fat, lazy. it tells the tale. but u have pryor now. he works hard and has a chance. get on that bandwagon. it will fly a lot better.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Jeez KK take it easy. You seem to be melting down faster than normal. Did your Imaginary “million dollar escrow” fall out? Or, here let me guess, it never happened in the lst place. I have tons of friends who grew up and lived their whole lives in Alameda. None of them have ever heard of you. Other than that one Safeway bagger who told you to stop harrassing Randy Moss.
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You’ve obviously heard of me you cross-posting btch
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Of course I have heard of you, you senile old bag of raisins. You’re the self aggrandizing guy who’s face we all rub in sh**. Remember?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Whenever Alias is here with his multiple sock-puppets this place goes to he!!-why,because he baits and so many fall for it hook,line,and sinker.
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Yep, Im guiltier than most.
But spot on observation no less.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
East,thanks for the discussion.Good to talk,disagree and nobody goes for the name calling.Thanks.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
“Palmer must replicate his first two drives and get the ball to his best wr early and often if he wants to have a decent season.”
We are in 100% agreement here
August 27th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Afternoon Fellas
Liked what I saw in the 3rd pre season game.
I’d love to see TP take over from Palmer in 2-3 years.
Looked good.
Love His attitude, work ethic and talent.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Posting from Europe going on recruiting trips no recession for RIFF huh?
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I wouldnt say that. The recession affects everyone. Especially Europe. The “powers that be” are trying to crush and break up the Euro dollar.
The recruiting trips were a while ago.
I’ll be back hard at work just like everyone else (except KK) in a couple months. The difference is that Im no stranger to 18 hour work days and sleeping in my office.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Afternoon Fellas
Liked what I saw in the 3rd pre season game.
I’d love to see TP take over from Palmer in 2-3 years.
Looked good.
Love His attitude, work ethic and talent.
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Totally agree, I’d like to see him playing goal line formations, if not at QB at WR for now.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
On palmers 2nd pick the ball should have been caught. It is true that the pass wasnt very accurate as mcghee had to climb the l;adder but that is the type of play an nfl receiver is supposed to make, and will need to make as the qb wont always have the luxury of perfect set up and delivery. palmer was under pressure but the part that bothers me was the decision to throw it to guy that was surrounded by three defenders. not a good gamble, and poor execution.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Didn’t Russell ADMIT he failed a drug test going into the combine?
Unless you think getting high for the most important job interview in your life is OK behavior, I think that spells out a pretty clear addiction issue.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Seymore Bush is cracking me up tonite.
Klas, you need to step your game up. Bush is stealing your thunder with the resident punching bag here.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Im no stranger to 18 hour work days and sleeping in my office.
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Sounds like great fun.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
pretty much says it all
172.RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Flaunting his wealth, huh? Like Joe Namath? And my point has always been that he didn’t suck nearly as much as he’s been accused of. He actually managed to salvage a pretty decent year in his 1st year as a starter, just ask Greg Knapp. 2009 was a disaster, but he was only a small part of the problem in my opinion. Al must’ve shared that opinion because just a year later, he cleaned house. He fails on just about any other team, except for the Browns or the Millen-led Lions, and you may have a point. But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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Oh sure.
It’s Al’s fault JR had that rating of 8 or so for one game, and 12 on another.
12.
qb rating of 12.
And of course Al’s fault JR showed up fat and out of shape. After all, Al paid him, which got JR that lifetime Buffet Pass at Country Kitchen.
And somehow Al made JR sleepy. Pretty much every meeting.
And of course it’s not JR’s fault he refused to study the playbook. Nope. That’s on the team as well.
You’re a pansy, debo.
A slow clueless pansy.
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Showed up fat and out of shape? Slept through every meeting? Refused to learn the playbook? Were you on the team or something? Where are you getting your information? Kiffin praised JR’s work ethic. His OC, Greg Knapp, praised JR for the progess he made and was sad the staff was blown up because he couldn’t continue to make strides with him. At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape. What are you talking about?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
It is if you enjoy your job.
Work hard, play hard right?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
It is if you enjoy your job.
Work hard, play hard right?
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Yes for sure.
You obviously are “lucky” in that you require less sleep.
I presume.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape.
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Not sure about how his shape was reported, but EVERY media member said he had a good FIRST DAY of practice, and by the end of the camp he was back to Jamarcus Russell.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
See you fans later planes about to takeoff
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I got fifty bucks that’s what the nurses at the old folks home tell him right before they sedate him for a few hours.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Im a insomniac. It sux.
The only time I ever slept well in my life was when I was an athlete and in the gym for 5+ hours a day.
Its 2am here and Im wide awake.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Didn’t Russell ADMIT he failed a drug test going into the combine?
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Not that I remember. But if he did, the background check must have come back pretty clean, suggesting he didn’t have a drug addiction. He went #1 after all.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
“Something happened at the 8:03 mark. palmer was in gaol line and he looked to pass, the pocket was clean. plamer started to get happy feet and broke into a panic, he then stumbled into trouble and took a sack. on the next series he was wild on a pass intended to streater again with a completely clean pocket. this could be a result of lack of timing with the receiver but the next play was horrific. Palmer setting up a screen never stops his feet while back pedaling with defenders not even within 3 yards of him, chucks to the d tackle.”
Ok this is true I have watched the game 3 times….
lets just say for the sake of argument that Knapp and DA are telling the truth when asked about Palmer’s play this preseason and were trying something different on that series as a result Palmer got confused and still tried to force the play He and everyone on the O looked sloppy…..could it be the very same “scheme we blamed our defense for playing last year that made them look confused, out of place and stupid at times?
Because it would appear that DA has fixed that and just maybe he can fix the Palmer and offense issues we are seeing this preseason.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape. What are you talking about?
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For 1 practice.After the 1st practice it was reported he was back to his old self of not being able to hit anything.It was also reported he was closer to 300 than the 255 he was supposed to be at.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape.
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Not sure about how his shape was reported, but EVERY media member said he had a good FIRST DAY of practice, and by the end of the camp he was back to Jamarcus Russell.
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That’s what I remember.
Glad you are still among the living JFB.
I enjoy your input around here.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape. What are you talking about?
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He showed up at 290 lbs. What are you talking about?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Im a insomniac. It sux.
The only time I ever slept well in my life was when I was an athlete and in the gym for 5+ hours a day.
Its 2am here and Im wide awake.
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No sleep drugs?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
terrell pryor has shown a very good understanding of how to set up receivers to make plays when he throws the ball. this is very encouraging. On his first pass attempt of the game he hit the receiver with a very nice back shoulder throw. he took the ball from center dropped back smooothly and delivered a perfect pass.
very very nice from the rookie
August 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Debo,
Read up, and quite making ish up.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/05/02/quick-hits-from-last-minicamp-practice/#more-10885
August 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape.
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Not sure about how his shape was reported, but EVERY media member said he had a good FIRST DAY of practice, and by the end of the camp he was back to Jamarcus Russell.
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His reps were greatly reduced on the 2nd day and given to Campbell. A reall headscratcher. Minds were already made up I guess.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Glad you are still among the living JFB.
I enjoy your input around here.
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Doing my part good sir.
Been a minute for you posting hasn’t it?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Didn’t Russell ADMIT he failed a drug test going into the combine?
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Not that I remember. But if he did, the background check must have come back pretty clean, suggesting he didn’t have a drug addiction. He went #1 after all.
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Were the same team that drafted Marinovich. Al didnt care about your past. So dont use Russels draft status as a barometer for his sobriety.
Can we move past this? Yes, Russel had some really good qualities. And we’ll never know how good he could have been cause this org was a dumpster fire. Coaching carousel, worst WR’s in league, poor O-Line, owner with dimensia, etc.
Let it die. There is nothing to debate here.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
You cant beat a team with magic bird & mj on it. Period.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
“I wouldnt say that. The recession affects everyone. Especially Europe. The “powers that be” are trying to crush and break up the Euro dollar.”
I trade the FOREX everyday and I follow the Euro closely….its been an interesting ride.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Didn’t Russell ADMIT he failed a drug test going into the combine?
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Not that I remember. But if he did, the background check must have come back pretty clean, suggesting he didn’t have a drug addiction. He went #1 after all.
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Were the same team that drafted Marinovich. Al didnt care about your past. So dont use Russels draft status as a barometer for his sobriety.
Can we move past this? Yes, Russel had some really good qualities. And we’ll never know how good he could have been cause this org was a dumpster fire. Coaching carousel, worst WR’s in league, poor O-Line, owner with dimensia, etc.
Let it die. There is nothing to debate here.
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Fair enough.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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What team do you cheer for?
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August 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
That was the knock on Russell at LSU. He would balloon in the offseasons. That was a red flag the organization chose to ignore.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Taiwa Jones was blatantly held on Palmer’s first pick.
You need to rewatch it.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Can we move past this? Yes, Russel had some really good qualities. And we’ll never know how good he could have been cause this org was a dumpster fire. Coaching carousel, worst WR’s in league, poor O-Line, owner with dimensia, etc.”
I think we can all agree on that.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Im a insomniac. It sux.
The only time I ever slept well in my life was when I was an athlete and in the gym for 5+ hours a day.
Its 2am here and Im wide awake.
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No sleep drugs?
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I dont trust the pharmaceutical companies as far as I can throw a truck.
I can either workout myself into exhaustion and then sleep, or I just deal with it. My mom had the same thing.
Ive been working on my diet a lot, I think that is the problem. Going hard with the Paleo Diet. But its hard here in Italy. Too much good pasta and pizza. Once I get back in the states it will be easier to get super strict on my diet because the line between healthy and unhealthy food in America is so well defined. Whereas the food in Europe is all good. No preservatives or genetically modified stuff. Everything at restaurants is homemade and high quality. A full size pizza is $3.50. Its hard to pass up. It aint going to kill you but it isnt Paleo either. So its hard to stay strict. Everything here is in the grey area so to speak.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Coaching carousel–russell’s fault
worst WR’s in league–russell’s fault
poor O-Line–not really
owner with dimensia–only perceived that way b/c he was crazy enough to pick russell
August 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Glad you are still among the living JFB.
I enjoy your input around here.
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Doing my part good sir.
Been a minute for you posting hasn’t it?
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Ya, I read pretty regular in the early am, and later evening. Just not much to say that hasn’t already been said.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Palmer is sketchy. He says the right things, has the right tools, is known to be a great leader & teamate …
BUT … He is erratic in gameplay. He dominated a few games last year and others he simply gave the ball away.
KNAPP, SAUNDERS, ALLEN better make it clear that they want him to pick&choose his spots.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
“Taiwa Jones was blatantly held on Palmer’s first pick.
You need to rewatch it.”
Yes and Palmer may have thrown it to him (Taiwan Jones) to get the ref’s attention….but he should have thrown it at his feet not his shoulder pads.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Taiwa Jones was blatantly held on Palmer’s first pick.
You need to rewatch it.
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Yep, a d lineman? grabbed him on His way to Palmer.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
terrell pryors second attempt was even more impressive. TP took the snap from center and dropped back looking to his right, he then scanned over the field all the way the far left going through his reads. pryor then unloosed a very nice pass to the fb on a short out pattern in perfect synch. The fb dropped the ball but pryor gong through his full progression and picking out the guy in single coverage is something peole said he could not do. then he topped off with a throw that had enough zip to get there in a hurry but enough touch to make an easy catch. This throw also was thrown in enough time for the fb to make the easy catch and have room to turn up the field as the pass led him into the clear.
The more he plays the better he gets., the more i watch the more i love.
let him play 2 1/2 quarters vs seattle
August 27th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
terrell pryor has shown a very good understanding of how to set up receivers to make plays when he throws the ball. this is very encouraging. On his first pass attempt of the game he hit the receiver with a very nice back shoulder throw. he took the ball from center dropped back smooothly and delivered a perfect pass.
very very nice from the rookie
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Pryor looked MUCH improved as far as his actual throwing mechanics are concerned. The ball actually spiraled instead of going end over end (just kidding.) He is still not an NFL ready player, but he is progressing which is all you can ask at this point.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Im a insomniac. It sux.
The only time I ever slept well in my life was when I was an athlete and in the gym for 5+ hours a day.
Its 2am here and Im wide awake.
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No sleep drugs?
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I dont trust the pharmaceutical companies as far as I can throw a truck.
I can either workout myself into exhaustion and then sleep, or I just deal with it. My mom had the same thing.
Ive been working on my diet a lot, I think that is the problem. Going hard with the Paleo Diet. But its hard here in Italy. Too much good pasta and pizza. Once I get back in the states it will be easier to get super strict on my diet because the line between healthy and unhealthy food in America is so well defined. Whereas the food in Europe is all good. No preservatives or genetically modified stuff. Everything at restaurants is homemade and high quality. A full size pizza is $3.50. Its hard to pass up. It aint going to kill you but it isnt Paleo either. So its hard to stay strict. Everything here is in the grey area so to speak.
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Understood.
Good Luck.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
“owner with dimensia–only perceived that way b/c he was crazy enough to pick russell”
Actually Brian Billick had him number one on his draft board, he has even said as much on NFLN and they are known for year in year out having solid drafts in Baltimore.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
“Taiwa Jones was blatantly held on Palmer’s first pick.
You need to rewatch it.”
Yes and Palmer may have thrown it to him (Taiwan Jones) to get the ref’s attention….but he should have thrown it at his feet not his shoulder pads.
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NICE observation.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Can we move past this? Yes, Russel had some really good qualities. And we’ll never know how good he could have been cause this org was a dumpster fire. Coaching carousel, worst WR’s in league, poor O-Line, owner with dimensia, etc.”
I think we can all agree on that.
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While this is true, the issue with Russell is he himself did little to nothing to improve during his tenure here. That was well known and that is why no one else took a shot at him.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Pryor looked MUCH improved as far as his actual throwing mechanics are concerned. The ball actually spiraled instead of going end over end (just kidding.) He is still not an NFL ready player, but he is progressing which is all you can ask at this point.
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I did not watch TP in college, but from my eye His mechanics looked pretty darn good.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape. What are you talking about?
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For 1 practice.After the 1st practice it was reported he was back to his old self of not being able to hit anything.It was also reported he was closer to 300 than the 255 he was supposed to be at.
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Hook, line, and sinker?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
That was the knock on Russell at LSU. He would balloon in the offseasons. That was a red flag the organization chose to ignore.
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Red flag?? Who gives a fck if he ballooned in the OFSEASON?? Did it affect him at LSU? The guy is a legend there! Too much made about his weight. He was built like a DE, that was part of the appeal. All the hits he took and he never got hurt. Fearless in the face of a pass rush, to the point that he was labelled here as having no pocket presence. Nerves of steel late in games, just like LSU days. Too much attention paid to his negatives and not a peep from anyone on this board about his positives and the challenges he faced here. It’s like everyone wanted the guy to fail from the beginning.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
“I wouldnt say that. The recession affects everyone. Especially Europe. The “powers that be” are trying to crush and break up the Euro dollar.”
I trade the FOREX everyday and I follow the Euro closely….its been an interesting ride.
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Well, take this into consideration:
Iraq, Iran, and Libya, and (possibly but I dobut) Saudi Arabia all were talking about switching the standard currency for which they trade oil in.
The currency in which oil is traded, becomes the standard international currency.
We have massive trade deficits around the world, most notably to China. We are only able to run up such debt because of our strong economy, military reputation, and the fact that we print fiat currency with no real backing.
The moment the standard international currency changes, we can no longer just print our own money to pay people back. They will ask to be paid in Euros. And then we are really f’d.
All the turmoil in the middle east the last 15 years is a result of us trying to keep those nations in line. But the Euro continued to gain strength so then the banks stepped in.
The Euro will be toast soon. Thats my theory at least.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
The currency in which oil is traded, becomes the standard international currency.
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The Petro Dollar.
The new “gold standard”
Established circa 1970 or so?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
pretty much says it all
172.RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Flaunting his wealth, huh? Like Joe Namath? And my point has always been that he didn’t suck nearly as much as he’s been accused of. He actually managed to salvage a pretty decent year in his 1st year as a starter, just ask Greg Knapp. 2009 was a disaster, but he was only a small part of the problem in my opinion. Al must’ve shared that opinion because just a year later, he cleaned house. He fails on just about any other team, except for the Browns or the Millen-led Lions, and you may have a point. But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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Oh sure.
It’s Al’s fault JR had that rating of 8 or so for one game, and 12 on another.
12.
qb rating of 12.
And of course Al’s fault JR showed up fat and out of shape. After all, Al paid him, which got JR that lifetime Buffet Pass at Country Kitchen.
And somehow Al made JR sleepy. Pretty much every meeting.
And of course it’s not JR’s fault he refused to study the playbook. Nope. That’s on the team as well.
You’re a pansy, debo.
A slow clueless pansy.
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Showed up fat and out of shape? Slept through every meeting? Refused to learn the playbook? Were you on the team or something? Where are you getting your information? Kiffin praised JR’s work ethic. His OC, Greg Knapp, praised JR for the progess he made and was sad the staff was blown up because he couldn’t continue to make strides with him. At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape. What are you talking about?
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YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!.
You really want to go there?
You don’t follow much, do you? That explains your selective memory, or lack of memory.
WELL DOCUMENTED on JR falling asleep.
Pictures galore on JR’s gut hanging over his pants. Comments galore on how coaching staff made it very clear that he needs to be serious about his weight, and his conditioning when he shows up.
WELL DOCUMENTED on how the team had to dumb down the play calling because of how little JR knew of the play book.
Are you playing the fool? Or are you just, in fact, a damnnn fool?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
If JaMarcus had the attitude and work ethic of TP, he might be our starting QB come Sept 10th.
He didn’t.
History.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Of course the best play of the pre seaosn was also delivered by Pryor. he took the snap from center and executed a perfect play fake, the defense was not fooled. pryors back was to the defense but he appeared to feel the pressure chasing him form behind. he started his roll out and again patiently read the defense. althoguh he fast a s a the fastest kick returner he only used enough speed to buy time to scan the field, and was not looking to take off. he spotted criner clearing open deep down the field, and without even setting his feet he let go of a perfectly thrown ball that led criner away from the defense and into the end zone.
that play perfectly illustrates what pryor can do in an offense that utilizes his talent. the misdirection on the play fake , the speed to buy time looking to pass, and the arm to make huge mind blowing plays deep down field.
pryor put on the best show of any qb we have on our team in this preseason arguably.
all that talk about moving him to tight end certainly looks foolish in the light of pryors accomplishments.
that was a play no other raider qb in 2012 could make…simply unreal
August 27th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
The currency in which oil is traded, becomes the standard international currency.
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The Petro Dollar.
The new “gold standard”
Established circa 1970 or so?
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Yep. Something like that.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
That was the knock on Russell at LSU. He would balloon in the offseasons. That was a red flag the organization chose to ignore.
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Red flag?? Who gives a fck if he ballooned in the OFSEASON?? Did it affect him at LSU? The guy is a legend there!
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Are you crazy? Of course it matters! Especially for a YOUNG person who is supposed to be an athlete to gain a lot of weight. It shows a lot of red flags not just one. Jamarcus Russell REMAINS the ONLY overall number one that was NEVER offered a second chance. Even David Carr and Tim Couch were offered second chances. Heck, “Cryin’” Ryan Leaf was offered a second chance (even if he was an overall number two). Russell never was. What does that TELL YA?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Red flag?? Who gives a fck if he ballooned in the OFSEASON??
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except he STAYED BALLOONED UP UNTIL CAMP STARTED.
it’s called commitment. Being a professional.
Can you name even one player, currently in the league, who balloons up like a stuffed pig, shows up like a stuffed pig, and kept his job?
Even one?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Red flag?? Who gives a fck if he ballooned in the OFSEASON??
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except he STAYED BALLOONED UP UNTIL CAMP STARTED.
it’s called commitment. Being a professional.
Can you name even one player, currently in the league, who balloons up like a stuffed pig, shows up like a stuffed pig, and kept his job?
Even one?
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SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI lol
August 27th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
WELL DOCUMENTED on JR falling asleep.
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Yo Debo, even JR tried to explain it in an interview that he had a sleep disorder and why he was always sleepy in meetings. dude, you need to get up to speed or you are JR’s cousin yourself.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I am sure most people know I am a huge Palmer worshiper here on this blog….for now I am going to trust DA and let him fix it because I saw his mouth say “You have got to be kidding me” and a few other things when we couldn’t pound the ball in the end zone on Saturday.
In the past coaches would say we are working on it and the run d just continued to suck the penalties kept coming etc.
I have seen enough improvement on the D and in the penalties thus far that I am convinced he will get things fixed.
But if Palmer is throwing pics and playing like crap during the regular season, I will be the first to admit it might be time for a change at QB.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
If JaMarcus had TP’s work ethic, he’d be the best QB in the NFL right now. But he didn’t have anything close.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Are you crazy? Of course it matters! Especially for a YOUNG person who is supposed to be an athlete to gain a lot of weight. It shows a lot of red flags not just one. Jamarcus Russell REMAINS the ONLY overall number one that was NEVER offered a second chance. Even David Carr and Tim Couch were offered second chances. Heck, “Cryin’” Ryan Leaf was offered a second chance (even if he was an overall number two). Russell never was. What does that TELL YA?
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It tells everyone other than DEBO everything.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
If JaMarcus had the attitude and work ethic of TP, he might be our starting QB come Sept 10th.
He didn’t.
History.
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Yup. That’s why I love CPalm and TP. Like Ebony and Ivory baby. They are getting along and working hard.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Let me ask you guys something. Let’s say you were in love with this 19 year old female who would go spend the summer in Mobile, Alabama and then come back 65 pounds heavier. Remember, she’s 19. I don’t mean to seem shallow, but are you going to marry her?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
jason Smith just got shipped to the Jets. I remember watching that draft and though Smith was WAY OVERRATED. I hate it when draft experts start hyping up a player with zero track record.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
pretty much says it all
172.RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Flaunting his wealth, huh? Like Joe Namath? And my point has always been that he didn’t suck nearly as much as he’s been accused of. He actually managed to salvage a pretty decent year in his 1st year as a starter, just ask Greg Knapp. 2009 was a disaster, but he was only a small part of the problem in my opinion. Al must’ve shared that opinion because just a year later, he cleaned house. He fails on just about any other team, except for the Browns or the Millen-led Lions, and you may have a point. But there’s no question in my mind that he was with the worst organization in the NFL between 2002-2009 at the height of its dysfunction. Collateral damage.
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Oh sure.
It’s Al’s fault JR had that rating of 8 or so for one game, and 12 on another.
12.
qb rating of 12.
And of course Al’s fault JR showed up fat and out of shape. After all, Al paid him, which got JR that lifetime Buffet Pass at Country Kitchen.
And somehow Al made JR sleepy. Pretty much every meeting.
And of course it’s not JR’s fault he refused to study the playbook. Nope. That’s on the team as well.
You’re a pansy, debo.
A slow clueless pansy.
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Showed up fat and out of shape? Slept through every meeting? Refused to learn the playbook? Were you on the team or something? Where are you getting your information? Kiffin praised JR’s work ethic. His OC, Greg Knapp, praised JR for the progess he made and was sad the staff was blown up because he couldn’t continue to make strides with him. At the last minicamp he attended, just about every member of the media said he was the best QB on the field and in good shape. What are you talking about?
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YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!.
You really want to go there?
You don’t follow much, do you? That explains your selective memory, or lack of memory.
WELL DOCUMENTED on JR falling asleep.
Pictures galore on JR’s gut hanging over his pants. Comments galore on how coaching staff made it very clear that he needs to be serious about his weight, and his conditioning when he shows up.
WELL DOCUMENTED on how the team had to dumb down the play calling because of how little JR knew of the play book.
Are you playing the fool? Or are you just, in fact, a damnnn fool?
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Going off what I heard the coaching staff say. Lane Kiffin lauged at reports that JR reported to camp at 300. And he was very pleased with the way he stayed after practice to get caught up. Just because he doesn’t pass you’re eyeball test doesn’t mean he was out of shape. I guess you think Brady Quinn should be a Pro Bowler. I’ll take the guy who pulled out the Denver game any day of the week. And the playbook?? “WELL DOCUMENTED”? Where the Hell do you get you’re information?? Even if that were true, it’d make perfect sense for a guy going into his 2nd year as a starter in a new offense. Of course he probably didn’t have the whole playbook down. The playbook has been “dumbed down” for every young QB since the beginning of time. What makes JR such an outlier in your eyes? Marino was famous for telling the coaches to keep things simple. You obviously don’t follow the NFL like I do.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Knapp better not forget to throw screens to DMC and Reece.
Also throw some quick out of the backfield plays with Ford also like what was done last year.
He needs to utilize ALL the speed weapons on offense to confuse defenses and get the ball to his speed guys in open space.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
42.DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I think Wilson was that good. Had to ride him and see
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WTF?????
August 27th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
WELL DOCUMENTED on JR falling asleep.
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Yo Debo, even JR tried to explain it in an interview that he had a sleep disorder and why he was always sleepy in meetings. dude, you need to get up to speed or you are JR’s cousin yourself.
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Well then that explains it. He had an undiagnosed medical problem. Why should I or anyone kill him for it???
August 27th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Let me ask you guys something. Let’s say you were in love with this 19 year old female who would go spend the summer in Mobile, Alabama and then come back 65 pounds heavier. Remember, she’s 19. I don’t mean to seem shallow, but are you going to marry her?
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After spending 3.5 yrs in Memphis and the mid South, there are no such thing as a slender female in that part of the world. Yes I’m exaggerating and generalizing but I have a good reason too. Try going to a grocery store there and watch how they all stock up on anything with Sugar in it.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Let’s say you were in love with this 19 year old female who would go spend the summer in Mobile, Alabama and then come back 65 pounds heavier.
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I’d make sure I sent her back to Mobile next summer
August 27th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Knapp better not forget to throw screens to DMC and Reece.
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I was thinking the same thing the other nite. One thing I did like from Hubris was that his screens were very effective.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Knapp looked confused out there Saturday. It took him 3 plays to spread the D by inserting WR’s so DMAC had a chance to break the goal line. Duh!
Also, Allen made the bold claim that DMAC would be the go-to guy on goal line stands.
Allen should rethink that strategy.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Knapp better not forget to throw screens to DMC and Reece.
Also throw some quick out of the backfield plays with Ford also like what was done last year.
He needs to utilize ALL the speed weapons on offense to confuse defenses and get the ball to his speed guys in open space.
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I like that they are splitting DMAC out.
I envision Knapp getting Reece and Jones in space as well.
Gotta put pressure on the D, and find the mismatch.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
“The Euro will be toast soon. Thats my theory at least.”
That’s cool with me because I trade the AUD/JPY I only follow the Euro closely because its the centerpiece of the FOREX.
I wonder if people in Germany are upset about the Billions they spent bailing out Spain Italy Greece etc?
August 27th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Let me ask you guys something. Let’s say you were in love with this 19 year old female who would go spend the summer in Mobile, Alabama and then come back 65 pounds heavier. Remember, she’s 19. I don’t mean to seem shallow, but are you going to marry her?
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LOL
Count me among the shallow!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
In reaching the league-mandated limit of 75 players, the Raiders waived linebacker Korey Bosworth, defensive ends Mason Brodine and Wayne Dorsey, safeties Aaron Henry and Chaz Powell, cornerback Terrail Lambert, wide receivers Thomas Mayo and DeAundre Muhammad, quarterback Kyle Newhall-Caballero and fullback Manase Tonga. Fullback Rashawn Jackson and offensive lineman Ed Wang were waived-injured.
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no surprises!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Pryor is going to be pretty damn good.
I’m sold.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Yup. That’s why I love CPalm and TP. Like Ebony and Ivory baby. They are getting along and working hard.
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Props to Palmer for not acting the A Hole… and mentoring a young guy that’s hungry to be great.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Let’s say you were in love with this 19 year old female who would go spend the summer in Mobile, Alabama and then come back 65 pounds heavier.
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I’d make sure I sent her back to Mobile next summer
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So would I…
August 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Sure Debo, he was never out of shape…
quote: ““Life coach” fires JaMarcus Russell
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 14, 2011, 2:59 PM EDT
JaMarcus Russell AP
If JaMarcus Russell hasn’t hit bottom yet, we are not looking forward to what’s coming next.
The latest embarrassment for the former No. 1 overall pick: Russell’s “life coach” John Lucas told Russell he would no longer work with him and asked Russell to leave Houston, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports.
Just think about that for a second. A man who is getting paid to help Russell, a man who makes a career out of rehabilitating athletes, gave up on the kid.
Russell reportedly worked hard after starting to work with Lucas last September, but he quickly lost focus. He showed up to NFL workouts last November and December out of shape, and his work habits “continued to deteriorate.” Lucas grew tired of trying to get Russell to care.
“The title of your article should be, ‘It’s Over,’ ” one source told Cole. “It’s just amazing that you could say that about somebody who is 25 years old and just got drafted four years ago. But it’s been almost a year since he got cut and there’s no interest. Even before the lockout, nobody wanted to get near the kid.”
August 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Yeah, Hue did excel at the screen game.
The greatness of Savage in the screen game has to be utilized!!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Yup. That’s why I love CPalm and TP. Like Ebony and Ivory baby. They are getting along and working hard.
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Props to Palmer for not acting the A Hole… and mentoring a young guy that’s hungry to be great.
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As opposed to the way Favre acted towards Aaron Rodgers, or Joe Montana acted to Steve Young. Both times, the elder QB was a complete nimrod.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
262.blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Knapp looked confused out there Saturday. It took him 3 plays to spread the D by inserting WR’s so DMAC had a chance to break the goal line. Duh!
Also, Allen made the bold claim that DMAC would be the go-to guy on goal line stands.
Allen should rethink that strategy.
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Put Reece in as the goal line back.
Or if they are going to use DMC as goal line, they need to throw that isolation quick pitch to him, so he can use his speed to race to the pylon and get into end zone.
Reece can also be out wide and as a down pasws catching H Back!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Taiwan Jones is cat quick.
Goodson doesn’t have a chance in he!! to win that job.
Should have kept Beast Campbell!!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Screen game will be missed greatly. A lot of our formations don’t set-up for the screen like Huebert’s did. Especially with the rolling/boots the ZBS, but hey … You can’t have guys like Taiwan and McFadden and Reece and not have a screen game, that would be pathetic by Knapp.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Pryor is going to be pretty damn good.
I’m sold.
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J Hill, after what I saw on Saturday, I agree.
I’ve been pulling for TP to develop just as I did with JaMarcus.
The difference is TP wants it.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Yup. That’s why I love CPalm and TP. Like Ebony and Ivory baby. They are getting along and working hard.
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Props to Palmer for not acting the A Hole… and mentoring a young guy that’s hungry to be great.
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As opposed to the way Favre acted towards Aaron Rodgers, or Joe Montana acted to Steve Young. Both times, the elder QB was a complete nimrod.
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100% spot on Duck.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Taiwan Jones is cat quick.
Goodson doesn’t have a chance in he!! to win that job.
Should have kept Beast Campbell!!!!
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Agreed, as a Beast Campbell supporter.
Taiwan can be LETHAL.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Houston is down to 285-290, eh????
Gotta agree with Brown on that orange top disaster.
WTF????
August 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
How was your offseason, Len?
Good to hear from you, bruh!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Sure Debo, he was never out of shape…
quote: ““Life coach” fires JaMarcus Russell
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 14, 2011, 2:59 PM EDT
JaMarcus Russell AP
If JaMarcus Russell hasn’t hit bottom yet, we are not looking forward to what’s coming next.
The latest embarrassment for the former No. 1 overall pick: Russell’s “life coach” John Lucas told Russell he would no longer work with him and asked Russell to leave Houston, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports.
Just think about that for a second. A man who is getting paid to help Russell, a man who makes a career out of rehabilitating athletes, gave up on the kid.
Russell reportedly worked hard after starting to work with Lucas last September, but he quickly lost focus. He showed up to NFL workouts last November and December out of shape, and his work habits “continued to deteriorate.” Lucas grew tired of trying to get Russell to care.
“The title of your article should be, ‘It’s Over,’ ” one source told Cole. “It’s just amazing that you could say that about somebody who is 25 years old and just got drafted four years ago. But it’s been almost a year since he got cut and there’s no interest. Even before the lockout, nobody wanted to get near the kid.”
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JaMarcus Russell fired by ‘life coach,’ John Lucas.
—The Huffington Post
Earlier this year Russell surfaced in Houston, working with former NBA player and coach John Lucas, a longtime guru to troubled athletes trying to revive their careers. In April, Lucas reportedly fired Russell, still more evidence that he was an irredeemable slug. Except both men say it never happened. “I felt like I was overtraining, running my body into the ground, so I left Houston,” Russell says. “But fired? Me and Coach Lucas, we’re cool. We still talk. I texted him just the other day.” (Says Lucas, “I don’t know where that [report] came from.
Think I’ll go with John Lucas on this one. Hate to break it to you guys, but I’m out.
August 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Ive been trying to forget about jablubber but some fools in here wont let it go… the guy straihht up sucked.. geeez ..let it go already.. pleeezzze!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Houston is down to 285-290, eh????
Gotta agree with Brown on that orange top disaster.
WTF????
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LOL!
I missed the live game feed, but watched a recording when I got home yesterday.
I saw the “DO” and thought “Lamar looks like he’s in the circus” LOL!
It’s GOT TO GO!
August 27th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
How was your offseason, Len?
Good to hear from you, bruh!
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Well… I’m out of shape. I didn’t do the offseason work required. LOL
Looking forward to a great season. I’m very encouraged with the Reggime.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Thursday provides the 75 players on the roster one final chance to make a compelling case for why they deserve playing time in the regular season and/or spots on the 53-man roster.
The final roster cuts are less than 24 hours after that game.
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Condo is a lock!
August 27th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I’m on record as completely against Pryor before we drafted him.
I have to say he looked pretty impressive. Specifically, his escapability. How do defenses gameplan for that?
He’s a MUCH better passer than Tebow.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
The team should give Houston the rookie treatment and shave his effin head!
August 27th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Thursday provides the 75 players on the roster one final chance to make a compelling case for why they deserve playing time in the regular season and/or spots on the 53-man roster.
The final roster cuts are less than 24 hours after that game.
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Condo is a lock!
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Under the Reggime I’d say the ice may be thinner than the creeks of Podunk.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Should have kept Beast Campbell!!!
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Agreed, Jhill
put Bruce the Deuce at Tackle (his natural position)
who are the Raiders backup tackles, anyway?
Bergs is backing up both guard spots. Barks is pathetic
August 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
who are the Raiders backup tackles, anyway?
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We don’t have 1.
Seriously, Wang was supposed to be the backup LT, and he just got cut.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Looking at the Raiders roster, the next 15 cuts are easy
Curry doesnt count against the roster (PUP)
the final 5 cuts might be tough imo
August 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I’m on record as completely against Pryor before we drafted him.
I have to say he looked pretty impressive. Specifically, his escapability. How do defenses gameplan for that?
He’s a MUCH better passer than Tebow.
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I hear ya.
D coordinaters nightmare.
TP’s mechanics looked good to me. Tebow is not remotely close.
I especially liked the 17 yard run when TP muscled his way out of a sack and ran it in for the score.
What is REALLY gratifying is I believe that TP will just continue to improve.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I’m on record as completely against Pryor before we drafted him.
I have to say he looked pretty impressive. Specifically, his escapability. How do defenses gameplan for that?
He’s a MUCH better passer than Tebow.
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And a better runner too. Everyone is still whining about TP’s footwork: that’s poppycock. Let him play 10 more halves and then look at him.
Btw, why not let him play out of the shotgun. Why these professional teams think they can take a guy out of his natural position and comfort zone, and he will fully perform, is beyond me.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Kevin Haslam
Nick Howell
Zach Hurd
Dan Knapp
@Jhill
these guys can play tackle … but probably will be the first 4 guys we cut Thursday night
August 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Colin Miller
Lucas Nix
Alex Parsons
these guys are garbage, too.
Parsons probably makes the 53 though due to Wiz’s injury and ZERO depth at center
August 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
who are the Raiders backup tackles, anyway?
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We don’t have 1.
Seriously, Wang was supposed to be the backup LT, and he just got cut.
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Right now, Barksdale and Haslam, with Bergs able to kick outside in a pinch. I expect Reggie to sign someone else after cuts.
And enough with the “Beast Campbell” talk. He was awful enough for THREE separate OL coaches (Cable, Wylie, and Pollack) to give up on him.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Instead of trading for CP and his outrageously price contract, on the advice of pimpin Hue, Raiders should have put TP in the game right away. I am sure he would have won more games than CP.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
TP’s mechanics looked good to me
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Still some work to do though.
That TD pass to Criner, Pryor threw it off his back foot. I was literally thinking how do you do that?, lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Instead of trading for CP and his outrageously price contract, on the advice of pimpin Hue, Raiders should have put TP in the game right away. I am sure he would have won more games than CP.
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Last year’s TP wouldn’t have won a game. Defenses would have eaten him alive and destroyed his confidence in the process.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I doubt that. TP aint that emotionally fragile. Plus the last quarter season the Raiders played scrubs.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Pryor is doing all right. Let him be a rookie this year and see how it goes. Good showing yesterday
August 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I doubt that. TP aint that emotionally fragile. Plus the last quarter season the Raiders played scrubs.
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Look at how shaky he was in the first two preseason games, and that was against preseason defenses with lots of backups that weren’t planning for him specifically.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
And enough with the “Beast Campbell” talk. He was awful enough for THREE separate OL coaches (Cable, Wylie, and Pollack) to give up on him.
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3 coaches????
When did he play for Pollack?
He was hurt last offseason.
How is he doing in Carolina???
And remember, we are talking about BACKUP OT where we have NO ONE to play the position now.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
TP’s mechanics looked good to me
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Still some work to do though.
That TD pass to Criner, Pryor threw it off his back foot. I was literally thinking how do you do that?, lol.
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J Hill, All of the Great One’s throw off the back foot from time to time. lol
That is a great example TP and His ability/liability.
I think He understands that in order to be great, He will need to master ALL of the nuances of a QB and not just use his athleticism.
I think he can do it!
August 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Parsons is decent depth.
Can play C and OG.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Okay guys don’t worry. It was a spontaneous statement. I take it back. But just think out good two very high quality CB’s would look like now, if we hadn’t spent money on that trade.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
3 coaches????
When did he play for Pollack?
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Pollack no doubt looked at the tapes and listened to input from Classic Wiz. I’m sure he gave his go-ahead to Reggie for the trade.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Colin Miller
Lucas Nix
Alex Parsons
these guys are garbage, too.
Parsons probably makes the 53 though due to Wiz’s injury and ZERO depth at center
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Watch the game again. Nix did a good job.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
3 coaches????
When did he play for Pollack?
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Pollack no doubt looked at the tapes and listened to input from Classic Wiz. I’m sure he gave his go-ahead to Reggie for the trade.
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The way I see it, Campbell had enough value to get something in return that Reggie valued.
Campbell is a Guy that I would have liked to see develop with the Raiders.
If he can’t play, cool, but I liked His athleticism and strength.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
what “tape” of Beast Campbell could Pollack have possibly looked at?
I SERIOUSLY doubt that Pollack had anything to do with Beast getting traded.
The Reggime is not asking asst coaches for thoughts on trading a backup OL cat.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
what “tape” of Beast Campbell could Pollack have possibly looked at?
I SERIOUSLY doubt that Pollack had anything to do with Beast getting traded.
The Reggime is not asking asst coaches for thoughts on trading a backup OL cat.
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Game tapes from last year. Whatever practices Hue recorded, etc. It would be only sensible for Reggie to ask Pollack to look at those tapes and state whether, in his opinion, Campbell could become a reliable starting tackle. If Pollack had said “Yes,” Campbell would still be here. But he didn’t.
And could we lose the “Beast” talk until Campbell actually does something beastly? So far, all he’s done is hold the line against a bunch of people who were probably cut today.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I liked the Goodson trade at the time, Len.
Thought we needed RB depth and STs help.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Never thought JR was as bad in interviews as people on this board have said he was. I always thought he was very forthright and gracious. But it cracks me up that some people try to make a correlation between speech patterns and QB play. Ever heard Kevin Kolb in an interview?? The guy should run for public office. Seen him play QB? He shouldn’t.
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Having the ability to speak well and effectively communicate isn’t any guarantee that a guy can play QB.
BUT…
NOT being able to clearly communicate or form a coherent thought will guarantee you CAN’T play QB.
Wasn’t just JaMoron’s speech pattern or southern drawl that made him virtually incomprehensible.
JaMoron came off as a MORON even in his printed interviews and quotes.
I’ll say this again, even if JaMoron got in tip-top shape, studied the play book dilligently, stopped drinking gallons of cough syrup, and had an all-star cast surrounding him – he’d still have washed out.
I can just imagine what it was like being in the huddle with JaMoron and having to endure him making a play call…
‘Alrightey, we goin wit Blubberblathermurderburgermickeydeearbysizzurpmumblejumble – on deuce!’
Fcking lost cause to begin with. Shame on Al Davis for drafting this mental midget. Even more shame for sticking with him as long as he did. What a travesty.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I doubt that. TP aint that emotionally fragile. Plus the last quarter season the Raiders played scrubs.
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Actually, he questioned his own abilities during an interview earlier this year. I think Pryor had an emotional beat down last season, kind of got kicked to the curb with no QB coach, no reps in practice and the suspension.
I really like how he is coming back from all that though. Pryor looks like he is progressing. Rootin for the kid.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Duck,
The dude actually looks like a beast, imo. That’s why I call him that.
I’ve REPEATEDLY said we are talking about a backup player, so how could his play be beastly????
August 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
This blog has become a freaking carnival of crap.
Thank you to all the guys here who endeavor to make a quality post..devoid of trying to instigate something.
Too many idiots who’s sole purpose is to instigate and incite; which by the way is the true definition of troll.
Congrats to guys like Riff who dare to have a mind of his own despite being called an “Uncle Tom” for not bending over and agreeing to the company line established by the other racist trolls. ‘Hey we’re supposed to stick together man’.
Have the guts to tell the real reason behind these ridiculous comparisons of black and white Qb’s instead hiding behind some fake azz premise of “honest evaluation”.
Who the f cares about joe freaking Webb and the Vikings qb battle? This is a Raiders blog. Joe Webb is black Ponder is white and that’s the ONLY reason these pathetic racist trolls bring it up.
Somebody needs to clean this crap up and ban these fake azz racist trolls.
Do u idiots think anybody freaking cares about the Vikings qb battle?
August 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Look at alot of other teams sites and articles and man, we are very lucky to have 2 of the best in Jerry and Steve.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I liked the Goodson trade at the time, Len.
Thought we needed RB depth and STs help.
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I did/do as well.
Gotta let it play out.
Campbell is a Beast athletic freak, no denying.
DHB has developed rather nicely, the same may be possible for the Beast.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Mistic and Debo are some delusional mother frickers.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
August 27th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Mistic and Debo are some delusional mother frickers.
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Mistic at least point out some players that can play, DEBO is to invested in his JaMarcus defense.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Raidahs goin to Nawleens and CP3 will lead the way.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Well ….
Mistic was right about Bob Griffin the 3rd, Russell Wilson, and Cam Newton.
Also said he would take Brees, Brady, Rogers, and others.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Mr Green headed to seattle to watch the Raidahs discombobulate the seapigeons.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I think it’s wrong to tag Mistic as a racist because he likes what some o these young black QBs bring to the table.
I haven’t seen one racist thing from that guy.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Well ….
Mistic was right about Bob Griffin the 3rd, Russell Wilson, and Cam Newton.
Also said he would take Brees, Brady, Rogers, and others.
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Props to Mistic on all of that.
He loses me when he say’s that Campbell is better than Palmer.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Ed Wang was easily the worst player on the team… I would let Mike Goodson play back up tackle before this guy…. Have you seen his scouting tape or his senior bowl footage??? Oh my god I just got sick thinking about it… I’m not a big guy on HATE but I sure do HATE the way he plays
August 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Well ….
Mistic was right about Bob Griffin the 3rd, Russell Wilson, and Cam Newton.
Also said he would take Brees, Brady, Rogers, and others.
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huh? Galaleo was right about the Earth being round. Whats your point?
August 27th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Ed Wang was easily the worst player on the team… I would let Mike Goodson play back up tackle before this guy…. Have you seen his scouting tape or his senior bowl footage??? Oh my god I just got sick thinking about it… I’m not a big guy on HATE but I sure do HATE the way he plays
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Wang is gone… We Win…lol
August 27th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Mr Green knows teams will think twice about takin CP3 outta the game with a bounty cause of the added dimension TPryor brings to the game. Chew on that.
QB depth:
CP3
Pryor
Lienart
August 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Ed Wang was easily the worst player on the team… I would let Mike Goodson play back up tackle before this guy…. Have you seen his scouting tape or his senior bowl footage??? Oh my god I just got sick thinking about it… I’m not a big guy on HATE but I sure do HATE the way he plays
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Wang is gone… We Win…lol
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Not quite gone. He was Waived/Injured, which means that if no team claims him (and no team will) he’ll be put on our Injured Reserve list.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Pryor will easily be the #2 after Thursday night. Easily I say. Why would Allen or ReggieMac want Lienart as the #2? They’re not stupid.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Gerard Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
This blog has become a freaking carnival of crap.////////////////////////////////////////////////////morilla Says: There is a lot more to talk about than this never ending loop of delusional banter.
August 27th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
I’m surprised we haven’t seen any Terrelle Pryor/Willie Beamen comparisons yet…
August 27th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I think it’s wrong to tag Mistic as a racist because he likes what some o these young black QBs bring to the table.
I haven’t seen one racist thing from that guy.
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He is either the racist or just trolling.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Mr Green Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Pryor will easily be the #2 after Thursday night. Easily I say. Why would Allen or ReggieMac want Lienart as the #2? They’re not stupid.
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No he won’t. Lienart has played well. He is experienced and knows the offense. Pryor would make some plays but probably be a disaster.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Bogus Bogart Says: Galaleo was right about the Earth being round.////////////////That wasn’t Galileos’ observation.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
TP’s drops, footwork and mechanics seem OK to me. Then again, I’m not a QB guru. I’m sure he can work on, refine and improve these aspects.
Never was a big believer that a QB’s (or pitcher’s) throwing motion or delivery could be substantially modified with any success.
When it comes to throwing, you pretty much ‘are what you are’.
Might be able to get a throw off quicker, learn to quit tapping the ball, hold the ball in a different position while scanning the field – but your throwing motion isn’t going to change much.
I don’t care if Tim Tebow spends 20 years trying to change his motion. It is what it is.
Not saying guys can’t get better and even improve accuracy – but there’s only so much that can be done.
It’s like a guy that isn’t a good shooter in hoops. Can he get better by tons of practice and refining his release? Sure. But only so much. He’s never going to have a natural stroke and drain them like Reggie Williams.
TP’s footwork will be fine. The jury is still out on his accuracy.
One final thought – On TP’s touchdown run, I don’t believe he ever seriously considered throwing the ball once he broke containment – but it’s important to note that he was scanning the field and considering that option, even if he didn’t know what he was looking at.
That was more impressive and important to me than the run itself.
Thinking like a QB.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
I can understand the discord in here when we talk politics but this constant negativity about the current state of affairs of the Raiders is not warranted. To my eye, we look like a team that has turned the corner.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Agreed 2 cents!
August 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
“Sold” on Pryor?
After ONE HALF against 2nd and 3rd teamers???
Id’ say he had a nice preseason half but “sold” on him cuz of that?
C’mon.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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August 27th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Sold as in he can develop into a QB instead of me thinking he should be a TE.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
I agree with twocents.
Just think if our defense is for real…as some are suggesting, and the offense maintains what it did last year.
What IF the offense actually improves on last yr, which is entirely possible with our best player… DMAC back in the fold.
With that line of thought Raiders could be downright scary.
BTW; Not ripping on Pryor. I loved what he did Sat, nite, but let’s temper our enthusiasm since it was 2nd and 3rd stringers he was up against…in a preseason game.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Sold as in he can develop into a QB instead of me thinking he should be a TE.
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With that line of thought I am “sold” as well.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Mistic isn’t a “racist” per se, he just likes black QB’s.
Not sure why he runs from it though. So what I say? I like more of the underdog, hard-working, overachiever types.
Raider O likes guys from Ohio and hates people from Michigan. So be it!!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
108.eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
pg-JKIDD
SG-KOBE
SF-LBJ
PF-KG
C-SHAQ
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No team from any era beats this squad.
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1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Pippen
4. T Duncan
5. Dangalang
August 27th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
I like “good” players.
Black, white, yellow or polkadot. Well, i’ve said it before; polkadot QB’s kind of freak me out a bit. I’ll own up to it.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
108.eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
pg-JKIDD
SG-KOBE
SF-LBJ
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LBJ? No way Lyndon Baines Johnson beats out Tim Duncan.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
debo thinks more of russell than russell himself. that dude has done nothing to revive his career. he simply doesn’t care. which is his prerogative. but to keep touting how good russell was or could have been is just ridiculous. i mean talk about carrying a torch. i wanted him to be good too. but he just plain sucked.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Mistic isn’t a “racist” per se, he just likes black QB’s.
Not sure why he runs from it though. So what I say? I like more of the underdog, hard-working, overachiever types.
Raider O likes guys from Ohio and hates people from Michigan. So be it!!!!
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O is a “michigan-ist”.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
That is FAR from an unbeatable squad.
Isaih Thomas
Jordan
Bird
Barkley
Olajuwon
August 27th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RaiderRob—where did u come from?
August 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I’m not sure we can accurately state we’ve ‘turned the corner’.
Not really sure what that means to begin with.
Are we moving in the right direction ?
I think so.
I see what appears to be a tremendous improvement in defensive scheme and cohesiveness. HUGE props to Tarver for this.
But even this might prove to be a pre-season mirage.
On offense, I don’t see the corner being turned at all.
Don’t like Knapp or his offensive style.
Have severe doubts about whether TIM Palmer can play like Carson Palmer again.
Think we already had an offense on the verge of being championship caliber, just need a QB to take it home.
Besides, turning the corner isn’t enough. You can turn the corner and wind up on the road to nowhere.
This is about winning Lombardi’s. Improvement is great but we’ve got to have legit championship aspirations.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
i’m really excited. the raiders look good and b!tch dog hasn’t been around. life is good.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Since were on the race hype tonite…. Has there ever been an Asian QB… Im brain farting over here and cant think of 1
August 27th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
LOLat Debo getting blamed for ALL the Russell talk.
You guys are MORE than happy to keep that topic going.
The collective responses are 10 times the volume of Debo’s posts, lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We had a big Wang and Reggie let him go.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
..in fact we had the biggest Wang in the league.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
You got to give credit to Debo for sticking to his guns, going on 3-4 years now.
If I were him, at some point in time I would have just said F it, he sucked, I’m over it.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
LOLat Debo getting blamed for ALL the Russell talk.
You guys are MORE than happy to keep that topic going.
The collective responses are 10 times the volume of Debo’s posts, lol.
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If he’d just let it go i think everyone else would.
He revives his preposterous line of thought everytime he checks in.
I personally think he does it just to instigate people.
It should be dismissed and ignored…you’re right.
August 27th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Since were on the race hype tonite…. Has there ever been an Asian QB… Im brain farting over here and cant think of 1
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Would Tuiassosopo qualify?
August 27th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
No he was samoan right?
August 27th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Think we already had an offense on the verge of being championship caliber, just need a QB to take it home.
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An offense?
As in the talent at the skill positions?
August 27th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I read all the earlier post about Moss being the best ever WR. That piece of crap whenever things did not go his way. You can’t be number 1 at anything when youre a piece of crap quitter. Moss should be number 1 be he’s not.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Mistic isn’t a “racist” per se, he just likes black QB’s.
Not sure why he runs from it though. So what I say? I like more of the underdog, hard-working, overachiever types.
Raider O likes guys from Ohio and hates people from Michigan. So be it!!!!
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I’ve seen some stuff from Mistic that could be considered racist.
I remember the “That’s a black man kicking your asses” comment in reference to JC and his critics.
Yes, that might have been in response to some racist remarks that were made about JC, but it still doesn’t excuse Mistic taking the bait and going down the same avenue.
But if he did, so what ?
Didn’t really bother me, anyway. JC wasn’t kicking any one’s ass here, just Mistic being Mistic.
Heck, I was accused of being a racist for calling JC, ‘JaJason’.
Take it with a grain of salt.
I happen to think that everyone is race conscious to a certain degree.
Mistic is just a little more obvious about it than most.
Doesn’t make his football observations or player evaluations necessarily incorrect.
Although he sure as hell was wrong about JC being the second coming.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I really, really hate to say this but…..I would take Ed McCaffrey in his prime over just about anyone. Dude could take a beating.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
LOLat Debo getting blamed for ALL the Russell talk.
You guys are MORE than happy to keep that topic going.
The collective responses are 10 times the volume of Debo’s posts, lol.
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I love me some JaMoron posts.
Starting to miss the Slowlando McLame talk.
Glad JFB escaped his mishap unscathed, not only bcz I like him alot, but also bcz we’re going to have some fun seeing how long Slo-mania persists.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Anyone else is concerned with Seymour contradicting the young HC about nature of his bad knee? It seems like he is a bigger authority than HC in the club house. And he didn’t like HC use the word arthritis. No matter what you call his knee ailment big Rich will not give Raiders $13M worth of service this year. Agreed?
Basically He gave his best years of his career to New England cheaters, and helped them win three superbowls while they were under paying him. And now we are over paying him while he’s under performing for us on the field. And he will retire as a NE Cheater when he’s done collecting Raiders’ hefty pay checks. Does that sound right to you people?
I know Reggie’s hand are tied based on large gaurantee salary Al gave him but still I got an issue with the under performing part of it all.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
You guys aren’t posting fast enough to keep me entertained,so I was catching up on some unread threads and just caught JFB’s death defying incident. Scary ish.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Isn’t it 15 mill. for Seymour?
Yes. His knees should be thouroughly toast by the end of the yr. if not sooner, and despite NE trading him to Raiders, he will most likely sign a one day contract so he can retire a patriot.
Maybe he’ll even shed a few tears for his beloved Pats and tearily than Belichik for giving him the honor of playing for him and the wonderful Kraft family.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Ok, I’m back home, who wants some?
August 27th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Ahhhh, the Patriot Way….just gives me goosebumps to think of how they transcend football and speak to a way of life that only very few lucky enough to be associated with them, get to experience.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Don’t think Seymour has very fond memories of the New England organization and how he was treated. I’m sure he he has good memories of his playing time there, but not convinced he’ll want to retire as a Patriot.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
An offense?
As in the talent at the skill positions?
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Yep. We’re loaded at the skill positions. DMAC and TJones are as explosive a tandem as any. Reese can make a play. WR corps is somewhat green, but I think will prove to be very, very good.
With the exception of TE, we’re stacked.
Even though we’re talking skill positions – would add that the OLine, while not great, is good enough.
If we can get some solid QB play there isn’t a reason (besides Knapp) that this unit shouldn’t be championship caliber.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I think Seymour’s contract is good through 2016
August 27th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
….or Seymour will embrace the silver and black and say “screw the pats” and want to be part of the Raider family even after he retires.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Ok, I’m back home, who wants some?
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Ask your wife first.
If you’re still posting in a few mins we’ll know the answer.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Raiders for life Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I think Seymour’s contract is good through 2016
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If he’s being babied like he is now, imagine what’ll be like next year with his knee issues. No less 2016.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I’m having doubts that Rich makes it through this season.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I think Seymour’s contract is good through 2016
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I hope Seymour can stay on top of his game till 2016
August 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Ok, I’m back home, who wants some?
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Ask your wife first.
If you’re still posting in a few mins we’ll know the answer.
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Do I make comments about your family?
August 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Ok, I’m back home, who wants some?
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Ask your wife first.
If you’re still posting in a few mins we’ll know the answer.
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Do I make comments about your family? Do I EVER make negative comments about you?
August 27th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Do I make comments about your family? Do I EVER make negative comments about you?
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Kell, I think he meant if we don’t hear from you that means you are getting some.
August 27th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Ok Len, maybe I misunderstood. I get so much personal crap in here.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
We just signed Roscoe Parrish
August 27th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
From Twitter:
NFL News And Talk
Cut earlier today by the San Diego Chargers, WR/KR Roscoe Parrish has agreed to a deal with the Oakland Raiders. #NFL
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There’s our return guy.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
We just sign Roscoe Parish
Wut does this mean for Jacoby Ford
To be continued….
August 27th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Also, the roster limits are 75, so signing Parrish means someone has to go…
August 27th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Is Roscoe any good.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Brain Macain
Maybe…
August 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Kookell
He’s another J.Ford
But not with all the injurys
They bout the same size…
But Roscoe stays relatively health year in year out
August 27th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Glad to see Reggie’s burning the midnight oil.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Thanks, RealReb. Well I guess Ford could be gone.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
That is FAR from an unbeatable squad.
Isaih Thomas
Jordan
Bird
Barkley
Olajuwon
+++++++++
Magic
The Dr
Human Highlight
The Dream
Barkley
August 27th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Signing Parrish either means Ford’s WAY more hurt than we thought, or DA doesn’t want to subject him to the extra hits. Punt returners get creamed a LOT.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Nahhhh
Ford is electric
So is parish at 30yrs of age(I think)
Which in hine site it look like it will be Ford
But if I had 2 put money on it…
I’d say Macain better walk lite
August 27th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Parrish = fills a gaping hole in our return game left by JFORD.
Parrish is 30, ran a 4.37 forty at his combine.
He should man the PR/KR duties for us. Doubt he sees the field at Wr.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Ford and Curry go on PUP list. Out 6 weeks, get healthy.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Maybe on a reverse….
Once
August 27th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Signing Parrish either means Ford’s WAY more hurt than we thought, or DA doesn’t want to subject him to the extra hits. Punt returners get creamed a LOT.
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Our return game has been abysmal so far this presea.
Org wants someone who can make a diffrence.
I think the one you do not want to risk is TJONES.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Another good reason Parrish is a good signing is he knows what the disc are up to.
Him being a vet, he should be able to provide some intel on the workings of the disc.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Ford and Curry go on PUP list. Out 6 weeks, get healthy.
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Curry yes, JFORD no.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
truepain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I think Seymour’s contract is good through 2016
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I hope Seymour can stay on top of his game till 2016
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Arthritic knees…The old man can go on PUP, then retire.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
This signing also means that McGee, Carswell, Session and Carrier are now hoping for Practice Squad at best. No way we’re going to carry seven wideouts.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Yeah, but do they need Ford at WR?
August 27th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I like Roscoe Parrish. We can stabilize the return game and have a decent vet WR to calm the young guns during the game.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Yeah, but do they need Ford at WR?
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I’m assuming Ford starts the season as our slot guy.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Roscoe’s Chicken n Waffles Parrish on Raiders?
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
August 27th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
If Ford can play week 2 or even week 3, I would agree. But if they’re not real sure about that, I’d PUP him and roll with Parrish for 6 weeks. reevaluate then.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I like Roscoe Parrish. We can stabilize the return game and have a decent vet WR to calm the young guns during the game.
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I’m with it dammit!
August 27th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Ford you can stay away dammit…..let streater and criner get reps
August 27th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Thec Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
truepain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I think Seymour’s contract is good through 2016
_________________________________
I hope Seymour can stay on top of his game till 2016
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Arthritic knees…The old man can go on PUP, then retire.
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Seymour can leave
August 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Ford you can stay away dammit…..let streater and criner get reps
//////////////////////////Permanently or PUP list?
August 27th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Raiders-Return-to-Alameda/36f62606-44ca-42a4-b5b7-ee75e9f8c36f#1e76c5a3-4de5-425a-9b1d-2b115bfdddcc
Looks like Mooch paid a visit.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Parrish a Raider?
August 27th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Yup.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
JFORD is the best deep threat on the Raiders current roster.
With the predicted rise of JCRINER, and the unsuspecting rise of Streat, makes JFORD’s injury a litle less painful. It is a luxury we have now however, we need ALL the WR;s to be healthy.
Not to mention he was is our best KR, and was due to handle PR duties.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
108.eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
pg-JKIDD
SG-KOBE
SF-LBJ
PF-KG
C-SHAQ
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No team from any era beats this squad.
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1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Pippen
4. T Duncan
5. Dangalang
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You guys know didley
1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Bird
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
No team you can put together can beat them at all in their prime…forget it….case closed…no one on this blog has a legit argument against this starting 5
August 27th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
If Ford wants to stay cool he needs to stop being an injured pssy…stop the partying and live up to his full potential….sick of this schit man
August 27th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
A misconception I see on this blog is the clamouring or stating some guy is a No.1 Wr for this team.
The way this team is constructed, and based on the D schmema we face, you are going to see a diffrent WR lead in stats week to week.
Thats why it is better if ALL our weopons are healthy as it gives the DCO something else to worry about.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Ford you can stay away dammit…..let streater and criner get reps
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Sick of this crap….He did nice his rookie year but thats only on 25 catches…yes he can make plays but he also is hurt too much and im still pissed about him tweeting at 3:30 am before the SD game on new year’s…no bueno
August 27th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
You guys know didley
1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Bird
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
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2 centers….Ah no…
August 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Thec…you could be right…but most teams that win it all have a number 1 go to guy…..outta the projected top 3 WRs for Raiders who is the go to guy….DHB?Ford? Moore?
August 27th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Bird
PF: Malone
C: Wilt
August 27th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Thec Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
You guys know didley
1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Bird
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
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2 centers….Ah no…
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Duncan is a power forward…even sellout ass Barkley admitted he is greatest PF ever
no starting 5 can beat them OG
Magic schits on Jkidd
Jordan clowns Kobe
Bird outsmarts and outhearts Lebron
Duncan fundamentally beats all PFs
And no center…hell no player in history ever may be better Kareem…Shaq? No way…Wilt? forget about it..Russell is greatest winner ever and would never wanna see the Captain…and this is coming from a major Laker hater
If you wanna combine entire career from HS to Pros…who better than Kareem?
August 27th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Bird
PF: Malone
C: Wilt
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The Failman is a loser and Duncan is way better
Wilt was dope no doubt….but just cant deal with the Captain….Kareem is the man and would ace ppl with the sky hook….the greatest shot in basketball history cuz its unstoppable
August 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Anyways im out…yall be good
Stay Solid
Code Black
August 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
My 2 cents
Magic
Michael
Bird
Rodmam
Kareem
August 27th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Thec…you could be right…but most teams that win it all have a number 1 go to guy…..outta the projected top 3 WRs for Raiders who is the go to guy….DHB?Ford? Moore?
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Teams WILL attempt to take away the no 1 guy.
We saw a great illustration of this with megatron sat.
Who is the Raids current go to guy.
That would be predicated on several factors.
Down
Distance
D schematic
As an example, I have seen JFORD targeted by Palmer or 3rd downs. He may have been drawing the single.
I am not of the mindset that we have to have a go to guy for any given situation, I am more inclined to TAKE, what the D is giving me.
Or in our case just TAKE what we want.
August 27th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
So how about this:
PG: Cousy
SG: Jordan
SF: Bird
PF: Rodman
C: Wilt
6th Man: Magic (can play ANY position on the floor)
August 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Jabar Gafney just got released by Pats. Would like to see him compete with our WRs. He posted nice numbers last year with redskins…
August 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Magic
Dr.J
Dominique
Barkely
Hakeem
August 27th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Thec Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Magic
Dr.J
Dominique
Barkely
Hakeem
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Three small forwards???
August 27th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Ok, I’m back home, who wants some?
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Obviously your wife doesn’t….
August 27th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Seymour why the personal insults, and invoking my wife? What’s wrong with you?
August 27th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Oakland Raiders reportedly reach deal with returner/receiver Roscoe Parrish
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_21414568/
August 27th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Seymour why the personal insults, and invoking my wife? What’s wrong with you?
You and BrownStains are two of a kind.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
PG Magic
SG Dominique
SF Dr.J
PF Barkely
C Hakeem
August 27th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Seymour why the personal insults, and invoking my wife? What’s wrong with you?
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You started calling names. I just asked if you were among the blog cutdowns earlier today.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Thec Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Magic
Dr.J
Dominique
Barkely
Hakeem
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Three small forwards???
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I am using the favorites from my era method. All parts are interchangeble
August 27th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Jordan nor kobe could D up Dominique.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Back when you were Oakglen, you were one of the first cross-posters in here. I thought when you changed your main handle to Seymour Bush, you had changed. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I see you’re still the same.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
I like the Org’s thinking.
We desperately need our return game improved.
Org is putting in work to make it happen.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Can’t argue against Cap.
Olajuwon is my starting C!!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
My 2 cents
Magic
Michael
Bird
Rodmam
Kareem
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You take Kareem over Wilt???
August 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
This team would take out all those teams mentioned above:
1. Bobby Hurley
2. Otis Birdsong
3. Stromile Swift
4. Sam Bowie
5. Joe Barry Carroll
August 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
LOL at Dominique at the 2.
6th man by a hair over Dr J.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Can’t argue against Cap.
Olajuwon is my starting C!!!!
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Game developed over time, and he became Unstopaable in the post.
Any big
August 27th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Yeah, I’d take Kareem over Wilt and Shaquille. Unstoppable Skyhook. Pick and Roll, nice mid floor shot.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
This team would take out all those teams mentioned above:
1. Bobby Hurley
2. Otis Birdsong
3. Stromile Swift
4. Sam Bowie
5. Joe Barry Carroll
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hahahahahahahahaha…..Yeah in a dream sequence…lol
August 27th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I don’t think Wilt faced the competition Kareem did.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
This team would take out all those teams mentioned above:
1. Bobby Hurley
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You would get Hurley hurt…Pull a hammy like seabass
August 27th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Nor did he win like Kareem.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Method To My Madness Says: Sick of this crap….He did nice his rookie year but thats only on 25 catches…yes he can make plays but he also is hurt too much and im still pissed about him tweeting at 3:30 am before the SD game on new year’s…no bueno/////////////////////////////////Didn’t hear about that, and don’t remember how, or if, he played. Do remember offense not the problem that day.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I don’t think Wilt faced the competition Kareem did.
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I would agree however, I beleive Hakeem woould give Kareem fits.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
J Hill Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
LOL at Dominique at the 2.
6th man by a hair over Dr J.
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I know, I know…No real logic to my team just biased.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Nor did he win like Kareem.
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Truth however, we know he won at least 25,000 times…
August 27th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
So he says. Lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Back when you were Oakglen, you were one of the first cross-posters in here. I thought when you changed your main handle to Seymour Bush, you had changed. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I see you’re still the same.
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Oakglenn is a legend in here KK. There’s a little Oakglenn in all of us. But me, Oakglenn? Don’t think so….
August 27th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
HOLLA DUDES
yawl kno im holding back on duecin for days know. gonna roll a record display towards the end of the week. just got to get use to all the bangin at the back door if yawl get my drift. will keep yawl updated.
DRIZZLE FIZZLE WIZZLE
August 27th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Oakglenn is a legend in here KK. There’s a little Oakglenn in all of us. But me, Oakglenn? Don’t think so….
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You trolls are legends in your own small twisted minds.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Oakglenn is a legend in here KK. There’s a little Oakglenn in all of us. But me, Oakglenn? Don’t think so….
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You trolls are legends in your own small twisted minds.
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YOU are the one that keeps bringing up oakglen. Not me. I’ve told you I don’t have anything to do with him. He retired after trolls kept stealing his handle. But then again haven’t you repeated glossing yourself as a “blog celebrity” or some such nonsense?
August 27th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Get lost, Seymour
August 27th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Waive Seymour, Curry, Lechler, Jano, and Condo.
August 27th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Since were on the race hype tonite…. Has there ever been an Asian QB… Im brain farting over here and cant think of 1
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roman gabriel was filipino. timmy chang sniffed the nfl.
August 27th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Timmy Chang from Hawaii is the only one I could think of. I didn’t know Gabriel was Filipino.
August 27th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
signing roscoe parrish makes sense but it’s not a guarantee that he makes the team. with ford out for now, the return game has been poor. moore is out as well. and jones has been hurt and never has done much back there anyway, plus he’s injury prone and important as the #2 rb. ford is NOT a punt returner anyway. looks very tentative when he can’t jet out of the endzone on a sprint, like on kickoffs. and do we really want moore getting clobbered when he comes back? it’s mccann that i thought might make sense there but he hasn’t been given much of a chance, which is strange since he seems to be getting quite a chance as a cb. but parrish is a legit return man and could stick. but he won’t factor all that much as a wr, if moore and ford come back. but he could get some time there if they don’t right away. a good signing.
August 28th, 2012 at 3:41 am
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Ok Len, maybe I misunderstood. I get so much personal crap in here.
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You think you’d get the hint by now.
If every is constantly clowning you, you are the problem. Change your routine.
August 28th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Kareem’s gettig a statue outside Staples Center