Six key players missing practice
By Steve Corkran
Monday, August 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The new-look Raiders practiced in Alameda on Monday for the first time since breaking camp in Napa. They did so without the 12 players released earlier this morning, as well as the six key players that are injured.
As the media-access window expired — 30 minutes at the start of practice — defensive tackle Richard Seymour, center Stefen Wisniewski, tight end Richard Gordon, wide receivers Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore and linebacker Aaron Curry emerged from the locker room and walked toward the far end of the fields, where their teammates are going through their paces.
On the bright side, Ford was walking without the protective boot on the left foot he sprained against the Arizona Cardinals on Aug. 24.
Coach Dennis Allen said Sunday that he is hopeful that he will have Moore and Wisniewski for the regular-season opener Sept. 10. It remains to be seen whether Ford can recover in time for that game.
Seymour (knee) and Gordon (ribs) are expected to be ready in time for the game against the San Diego Chargers.
As for Curry, he remains on the physically unable to perform list. It seems logical that he will be left on the PUP list, which means he would be forced to miss at least the first six weeks.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski was spotted doing some light jogging early in practice. In a perfect world, that’s what he would have done while attempting to chase down kick returner Justin Miller in the game against the Detroit Lions on Saturday night.
Janikowski suffered a groin injury on the play and missed the rest of the game.
Backup quarterback Matt Leinart was going through drills today, so he appears good to go Thursday night against the Seattle Seahawks.
Given the Raiders waived quarterback Kyle Newhall-Caballero, it’s likely that Carson Palmer, Leinart and Terrelle Pryor will play some against the Seahawks.
The Raiders will practice for another hour or so. After that, we will speak with Allen and Palmer, as well as the rest of the players.
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August 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Seabass/Lechler/Condo for life.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
August 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Go Lakers
August 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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FFL isn’t about drafting with your heart.———————————————————————
My heart bleeds silver and black everyday,all day and year round. I cant sweep my love for the raiders under the rug whenever i feel like it.
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This is about winning a FFL title that has big money involved buddy.
Sure I hope when the Raiders play KC, they shut Bowe down. But when Bowe isn’t playing the Raiders, he can be as productive as possible for me to win my FFL.==================================================
I still dont agree with it, but we are both entitled to our own opinion. – bunk
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haha…that’s cool, but Bunk, you have an old fashioned mentality brotha.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
August 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:55 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Please dont start with the cut Janikowski/Lechler/Condo crap.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$4 million for a fat alcoholic kicker
$5.75 million for a punter who doesn’t workout/ punts in the off-season.
$1.5 million for a LS
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On February 18, 2009, Lechler signed a 4 year, $12 million contract.
Where do you get 5.75?..
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Sorry, $5.65 according CBS sports.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
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Maybe you shouldn’t make it so easy for them to pick on you?
August 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
And for the rookies that looked around to see fewer players on the practice field today with some faces gone, a message from coach Allen, “you could be next!”
August 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider Dell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DAV
Can’t teach dumb, good try.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
just like they Can’t teach you math.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Raider Dell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DAV
Can’t teach dumb, good try.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
just like they Can’t teach you math.
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Raider O
That comment was not intended towards you.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Anthony Dixon would get my vote over Goodson, Miller or Starks.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I hope the young corners can step up their game enough to stick around. Hate to see draft picks bite the dust so soon.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
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HOLLA
oh, i’m still here. been holdin it for about 4 days now. should drop it thurs or fri. goin for the all time worlds record. a duece that will make your head spin.
FO GRIZZLE BIZZLE
August 27th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Is the punter across the bay getting paid the same as Lechler? I believe he is, Lechler is the best punter in the NFL and will go down as the best in NFL history. With a better defense now, some of you will start to appreciate Lechler alot more.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Anthony Dixon would get my vote over Goodson, Miller or Starks.
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Starks has turf toe, so no regardless. Dixon is another slug though. Big body though, not much of an upgrade from Miller. I’m in for Ivory.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I think guys are getting a little punchy in here. Time to destroy the stupid dischargers and kick the season off with a bang.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Anthony Dixon would get my vote over Goodson, Miller or Starks.
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Agreed, Dixon was limping in the game they played, but returned for more carries and seemed fine.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dell,
Oops. lol
I’m just joking, take it easy, and don’t talk about money. lol
August 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Here’s my Fantasy Football Team, tell me what you guys think:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
We have the best K/P/LS combo in NFL history and people want them cut.
That just goes to show you the insanity of some of the members here. Velcro shoes.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
oakland vs seattle is suddenly must see tv!!!!
Palmer needs LOTS & LOTS & LOTS of work, he has looked anything but ready to go. while it isd unfair to think he would have a new offense mastered so soon, we certainlity should expect much better than we have seen from mr. instant upgrade. I know starters dont play more than series and in most casess really good players dont play at all, I would say throw that out the window and give palmer the first quarter. palmer needs desperatly to infuse his team with confidence that he can play at a high level on a consistent basis. a touchdown after a long drive would go along way in this regard.
It appears my boy russel wilson has won the job in seattle as i knew he would. he is just worlds better than any other qb on that team. Thios may mean that we wont see much of wilson in this game. too bad I would love to see russel wilson go head to head with pryor.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
guest123 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Anthony Dixon would get my vote over Goodson, Miller or Starks.
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Starks has turf toe, so no regardless. Dixon is another slug though. Big body though, not much of an upgrade from Miller. I’m in for Ivory.
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True. Dixon isnt a burner.
Neither was Bush though?
I like Ivory, just hear he is having a horrific off-season.
Id take Forsett & Slaton over them all.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
“$4 million for a fat alcoholic kicker”
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You might want to check out that special video bspn did on him that analyzed his kicking motion. Had his shirt off and just spandex shorts. The dude is jacked.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Dixon is a big power back, he is 230+. Thats what we need to compliment DMC and Taiwan
August 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Gotta wonder why Ryan Grant isnt signed.
Cant be that banged up still.
Maybe Reggie is keeping him on standby.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I’d like to see one RB signed…Slaton>Forsett>Dixon>Ivory imo
August 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I’d like to see one RB signed…Slaton>Forsett>Dixon>Ivory imo
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100% Agree.
Probably throw a healthy Ryan Grant in there after Forsett.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
We don’t have to cut them, but we can extend Lechler’s contract to Lower his cap hit, but that’s too complicated for some people here.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
D.A and big mck should follow the same script from last game, keep leinart on the sideline. as soon as palmer is dismissed hand it to pryor.
i love this kid, his work ethic reminds me very much of DHB. These two could really form a quite talented duo one day, and their leadership would push the team in a way we havnt seen since palmer has arrived.
I love the way he has persevered since he was excused from ohio state, and he is accountable. he falls on the sword and gives honest assessment of his own performance. Pryor does not make excuses.
I hope we do have our future at qb, he has matured as a young man and his story is outstanding. In the face of everyone saying he is a tight end, he continues to grind and improve. he will earn it the hard way and be respected for it, like a another qb we had on this team that was well loved in the locker room and a personal favorite of mine.
Thank you al davis for giving this kid a shot in silver and black. thank you D.A and Big Mck for seeing his potential and allowing him to learn to be a pro qb.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I’d like to see one RB signed…Slaton>Forsett>Dixon>Ivory imo
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100% Agree.
Probably throw a healthy Ryan Grant in there after Forsett.
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Yeah we should watch for Slaton/Forsett since they both have ties to Knapp. Wished I knew the issue with Grant..health? Cost? idk
August 27th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Mistic reppin the NAACQB
August 27th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
You might want to check out that special video bspn did on him that analyzed his kicking motion. Had his shirt off and just spandex shorts.
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I think I’ll pass on that one!!
August 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
100% Agree.
Probably throw a healthy Ryan Grant in there after Forsett.
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I would put him at the end of the list, he didn’t do schit the last few years, I believe the only TD he scored last year was against us, lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
You might want to check out that special video bspn did on him that analyzed his kicking motion. Had his shirt off and just spandex shorts.
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I think I’ll pass on that one!!
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LMAO
August 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
The niners will have trouble defending against wilson, and eventually wilson will dominate that division. he will be the best qb in the nfc west in the near future
August 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
We don’t have to cut them, but we can extend Lechler’s contract to Lower his cap hit, but that’s too complicated for some people here.
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Not worried about his cap hit at all now, we have plenty of cap space to sign whoever is still out there or who gets released
August 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
matt flynn = matt cassel
grossly over paid back ups that will never get it done
August 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Klas
If you’re out there, can America send Snooki to the Swedes in exchange for a case of those MAX burgers?
August 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
matt flynn = matt cassel
grossly over paid back ups that will never get it done
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Not exactly a bold statement, but I agree somewhat.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Last night Klas said JRice is the best Wr ever I beg to differ Tbrown is the greatest IMO. Rice had the luxury of playing with back to back HOF Qbs while Timmy played with avg at best Qbs (except gannon) but still manage to put up HOF numbers on a some bad raider teams. Could Rice have done the Same? And what if Timmy played with Montana Young and Bill Walsh how would his numbers look? We will never know but IMO for reasons stated above Brown is the GOAT not Rice. But when its all said done Randy Moss will be the GOAT I know I will be killed for saying this but I have my reasons.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Legitimate question as to whether Wilson was that good, or Flynn that bad.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Legitimate question as to whether Wilson was that good, or Flynn that bad.
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I think Wilson was that good. Had to ride him and see
August 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Jano is such a slob.Pulls his groin takeing a dump.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Last night Klas said JRice is the best Wr ever I beg to differ Tbrown is the greatest IMO. Rice had the luxury of playing with back to back HOF Qbs while Timmy played with avg at best Qbs (except gannon) but still manage to put up HOF numbers on a some bad raider teams. Could Rice have done the Same? And what if Timmy played with Montana Young and Bill Walsh how would his numbers look? We will never know but IMO for reasons stated above Brown is the GOAT not Rice. But when its all said done Randy Moss will be the GOAT I know I will be killed for saying this but I have my reasons.
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I’m honestly thinking Moss will be cut by the 9ers on Saturday, dude was out there running half speed against Dungver.imo
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Wilson is a LITTLE STUD…. The guy will do well
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
The niners will have trouble defending against wilson, and eventually wilson will dominate that division. he will be the best qb in the nfc west in the near future
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that’s not saying much unless bradford is healthy, flynn didn’t look bad wilson just looked better and props to carroll for truly playing the best player avail
August 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Legitimate question as to whether Wilson was that good, or Flynn that bad.
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flynn isnt bad, he can manage a game, yet he is very limited. he lacks big time arm strength, and cant make plays when the play isnt there. he is completely dependent on the players around him.
Wilson has always been a play maker. What people dont know is that he is a master at creating throwing lanes and throwing receivers open.
This was the biggest difference along with wilsons cannon arm and decision making that led him to start. This kid is drew brees but way more athletic.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Ivory or dixon sound good, cant afford to risk DMac to injury in a goaline pileup.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Last night Klas said JRice is the best Wr ever I beg to differ Tbrown is the greatest IMO. Rice had the luxury of playing with back to back HOF Qbs while Timmy played with avg at best Qbs (except gannon) but still manage to put up HOF numbers on a some bad raider teams. Could Rice have done the Same? And what if Timmy played with Montana Young and Bill Walsh how would his numbers look? We will never know but IMO for reasons stated above Brown is the GOAT not Rice. But when its all said done Randy Moss will be the GOAT I know I will be killed for saying this but I have my reasons.
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I’m honestly thinking Moss will be cut by the 9ers on Saturday, dude was out there running half speed against Dungver.imo
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Moss will be lucky to make the top 5 WR of all time. If he had to play in Rice or Tim Browns era he would have been running track instead of playing football. He never would have survived going over the middle.
WR’s go in this order…
1. Rice… I cannot hold it against him who his QBs were.
2. Steve Largent
3. Tim Brown… very well could have had more talent than Rice
4. Michael Irvin
5. Randy Moss
August 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
watch out for the seahawks russell wilson marshawn lynch solid d, posters say receivers don’t matter well wilson doesn’t have good receivers and cables line is not looking so good
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Greatest WRs of all time. Put them in any order you want. The top 3 arent really debateable IMO
Don Hutson
Fred Biletnikof
Cliff Branch
Jerry Rice
Steve Largent
Cris Carter
Michael Irvin
Tim Brown
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Marvin Harrison
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
Sorry carson but you need the reps. i know its embarrassing for you but i need you to play into the 2nd quarter or until you lead a scoring drive or two.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
“The niners will have trouble defending against wilson, and eventually wilson will dominate that division. he will be the best qb in the nfc west in the near future”
Not as long as Matthew Stafford is a Ram.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
44.TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Last night Klas said JRice is the best Wr ever I beg to differ Tbrown is the greatest IMO. Rice had the luxury of playing with back to back HOF Qbs while Timmy played with avg at best Qbs (except gannon) but still manage to put up HOF numbers on a some bad raider teams. Could Rice have done the Same? And what if Timmy played with Montana Young and Bill Walsh how would his numbers look? We will never know but IMO for reasons stated above Brown is the GOAT not Rice. But when its all said done Randy Moss will be the GOAT I know I will be killed for saying this but I have my reasons.
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I’m honestly thinking Moss will be cut by the 9ers on Saturday, dude was out there running half speed against Dungver.imo
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Im thinking both Rice and Brown are in good company. I thought both of them are very close. What they were able to do in their later years in the league is amazing. Nothing but respect for both players, even though Tim will always be my best and yes I am very biased in that choice!
August 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
“The niners will have trouble defending against wilson, and eventually wilson will dominate that division. he will be the best qb in the nfc west in the near future”
Not as long as Matthew Stafford is a Ram.
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Sam Bradford?
August 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
The niners will have trouble defending against wilson, and eventually wilson will dominate that division. he will be the best qb in the nfc west in the near future
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??
Niners have one of the absolute best defenses in the league.
And they are all returning.
You’ll backtrack on this comment soon enough.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
rusell wilson or rgIII?
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
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What’s wrong with Alex Smith? Any time he’s had a stable coaching system he’s performed very well. So far, by my count that has only occurred in 3 of his seasons.
Smith is a prime example of how differently a QB can look depending on the franchise. Stability goes a long way.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
The Niners secondary is still a huge ?..
They were able to mask it with pass rush last year.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
inonewordraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
rusell wilson or rgIII?
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RG3 has the better arm and elite speed.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Russell Wilson can throw and does have wheels on him, but I will not buy the hype, dude is 5′11 and I think that will be his downfall.imo
August 27th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Last night Klas said JRice is the best Wr ever I beg to differ Tbrown is the greatest IMO. Rice had the luxury of playing with back to back HOF Qbs while Timmy played with avg at best Qbs (except gannon) but still manage to put up HOF numbers on a some bad raider teams. Could Rice have done the Same? And what if Timmy played with Montana Young and Bill Walsh how would his numbers look? We will never know but IMO for reasons stated above Brown is the GOAT not Rice. But when its all said done Randy Moss will be the GOAT I know I will be killed for saying this but I have my reasons.
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This is exactly why posters should not post drunk.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
You see Mystic1 would like us all to believe that a NEW era of QB’s has arrived but he is wrong guys have been doing this for years with little or no success which is why we have pocket passers.
In the 1970’s we had Fran Tarkington
In the 1980’s we had Randell Cunningham
In the 1990’s we had Kordell Stewart
In the 2000′2 we had Mike Vick
In the 2010’s we have Cam Newton Terrell Pryor etc.
These running QB’s have been around forever and they don’t work in the big scheme of things these guys never won Super Bowls!!
Which is why its better to have a drop back passer than a RB who also is your QB like Mike Vick.
This is not a new era of QB’s this is what we have seen many times in the past the question is can a true running QB ever win the big one?
August 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
The Niners secondary is still a huge ?..
They were able to mask it with pass rush last year.
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LOL
If they were such a ?, qb’s would have exploited it by passing on them when blitzed.
August 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
“Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
“The niners will have trouble defending against wilson, and eventually wilson will dominate that division. he will be the best qb in the nfc west in the near future”
Not as long as Matthew Stafford is a Ram.
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Sam Bradford?”
LMAO thank you I typed in the wrong name!
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
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What’s wrong with Alex Smith? Any time he’s had a stable coaching system he’s performed very well. So far, by my count that has only occurred in 3 of his seasons.
Smith is a prime example of how differently a QB can look depending on the franchise. Stability goes a long way.
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He has played well in that system, definitely took him long enough, but I don’t consider him or Flacco to be elite. I see them getting to the playoffs and getting spanked by an elite QB.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
Sorry carson but you need the reps. i know its embarrassing for you but i need you to play into the 2nd quarter or until you lead a scoring drive or two.
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We know your stance. You want to talk about anything else?
The SeaGulls are looking for fans, go sign up.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Timmah had no yacability and he signed with the donks.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
inonewordraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
rusell wilson or rgIII?
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i would take either one, they both are off the charts good. i give a slight edge to RGIII only because of his size and speed, but wilson can absolutely pick apart the defense. Willson has mastered the subtle parts of qb play, moving defenders with his eyes, creating throwing lanes, leading wrs to open space with the ball.
They both are 2 of the most accurate passers i have seen play college football.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
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What’s wrong with Alex Smith? Any time he’s had a stable coaching system he’s performed very well. So far, by my count that has only occurred in 3 of his seasons.
Smith is a prime example of how differently a QB can look depending on the franchise. Stability goes a long way.
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He has played well in that system, definitely took him long enough, but I don’t consider him or Flacco to be elite. I see them getting to the playoffs and getting spanked by an elite QB.
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Neither one have to be elite. The 49ers blew the Giants game last year. The better team lost. And Eli is elite.
It’s not and never will be one QB vs the other. Its a team game.
Flacco is very fortunate to have been drafted by such a stable franchise.
Smith went thru some lean years with the 49ers that no player should be held accountable for. The 9ers were a dumpster fire til Harbaugh showed up.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
August 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
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What’s wrong with Alex Smith? Any time he’s had a stable coaching system he’s performed very well. So far, by my count that has only occurred in 3 of his seasons.
Smith is a prime example of how differently a QB can look depending on the franchise. Stability goes a long way.
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He has played well in that system, definitely took him long enough, but I don’t consider him or Flacco to be elite. I see them getting to the playoffs and getting spanked by an elite QB.
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Neither one have to be elite. The 49ers blew the Giants game last year. The better team lost. And Eli is elite.
It’s not and never will be one QB vs the other. Its a team game.
Flacco is very fortunate to have been drafted by such a stable franchise.
Smith went thru some lean years with the 49ers that no player should be held accountable for. The 9ers were a dumpster fire til Harbaugh showed up.
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I hear that, but I think a team needs at least a very good QB to win it all, I’m not sold on Smith or Flacco.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
42.DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Legitimate question as to whether Wilson was that good, or Flynn that bad.
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I think Wilson was that good. Had to ride him and see
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Was quickly skimming the blog and read this line and it had me distrubed for a minute.
“I think Wilson was that good. Had to ride him and see”
What the heck is going on here?????? : ) LMBO!!!
August 27th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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That’s all good, but he did tarnish his career by bagging on the Raiders and jogging on the field.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
So disturbed I could not type disturbed!!!! : )
August 27th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
Sorry carson but you need the reps. i know its embarrassing for you but i need you to play into the 2nd quarter or until you lead a scoring drive or two.
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you have me all wrong this isnt about my like or dislike for palmer. this is about the raider season this year.
We need palmer to start, pryor isnt ready yet, lienart will never win in the league.
Palmer has not been good, so give him more time on the filed in the preseason. Even if he beats up on seattle 2nd 3rd stringers maybe he can gain some confidence heading into the season. As of now palmer is swimming in it, he needs the reps.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
You see Mystic1 would like us all to believe that a NEW era of QB’s has arrived but he is wrong guys have been doing this for years with little or no success which is why we have pocket passers.
In the 1970’s we had Fran Tarkington
In the 1980’s we had Randell Cunningham
In the 1990’s we had Kordell Stewart
In the 2000′2 we had Mike Vick
In the 2010’s we have Cam Newton Terrell Pryor etc.
These running QB’s have been around forever and they don’t work in the big scheme of things these guys never won Super Bowls!!
Which is why its better to have a drop back passer than a RB who also is your QB like Mike Vick.
This is not a new era of QB’s this is what we have seen many times in the past the question is can a true running QB ever win the big one?
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There are basically 3 types of QB
- The prototypical drop back QB. Tall. Durable. Big arm. (Think Marino or Manning)
- The Gunslinger. Big arm. Gambler. Great feet. (Think Elway or Farve or Romo)
- The 21st Century QB. VERY Mobile. (Think Fran, Randall, Vick, Gannon, Flutie)
Typically in the past and all the way up til Vick, the 21st century mobile QB has always been a smaller guy. Durability has always been an issue.
The Cam Newton / Dante Culpepper / Terrell Pryor types are a new breed of this type of QB. Something we’ve never really seen before.
Either way, I dont think a 21st century style guy has ever really been given a fair shake with exception to Fran. Every other QB has been given raw deals by their coaches for the majority of football. Teams are just too conservative. Plus, its just never worked.
It’s interesting what Ron Rivera is doing in Carolina. Its something we should all be taking note of. They are definitely going against the grain and thinking outside the box.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I would also pull the plug on lienart for one simple reason. what pryor did can only be duplicated by a handful of players in pro football. He was leaps and bounds better, and i believe it was a direct result of taking the 2nd team reps in practice and playing more time in the game itself. he appears to get a little better every time out. I think we can accelerate his growth my giving him the 2nd team qb spot, as opposed to having him run scout team, he should be getting snaps running our offense. besides if palmer goes down our season is over, lienart wont be able to save it
August 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
The Niners secondary is still a huge ?..
They were able to mask it with pass rush last year.
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LOL
If they were such a ?, qb’s would have exploited it by passing on them when blitzed.
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Is this a serious statement?
August 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
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What’s wrong with Alex Smith? Any time he’s had a stable coaching system he’s performed very well. So far, by my count that has only occurred in 3 of his seasons.
Smith is a prime example of how differently a QB can look depending on the franchise. Stability goes a long way.
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He has played well in that system, definitely took him long enough, but I don’t consider him or Flacco to be elite. I see them getting to the playoffs and getting spanked by an elite QB.
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Smith kicked Drew Brees’ ass in the playoffs last year and Flacco completely outclassed Brady in the AFC Championship game. Flacco’s measurables are off the charts.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I saw Cam Newton give up last night on a fumble he lost, just assumed he was down when he wasn’t and the defense jumped on the ball. The whole time their going for the ball, he’s walking away from the play. That was all I needed to see from that guy.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Don’t forget how Moss set the league on fire as a ROOKIE (took rice three seasons to shake the name stone hands)remember our own John Madden riding his jock like he did Favre. Don’t forget towards the end of his career with an elite Qb he broke Rice’s record. Moss is the Real GOAT he does things no other Wr could do because of his freakish athletic ability.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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I agree, best deep threat ever.
But “best deep threat ever” does not equate to being the best overall WR of all-time.
Rice survived the era when the Steve Atwaters of the world were lurking the middle and were allowed to knock a b1tch out. Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
Moss is lucky he was born when he was. Whereas Rice could have played in any era.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Don’t forget how Moss set the league on fire as a ROOKIE (took rice three seasons to shake the name stone hands)remember our own John Madden riding his jock like he did Favre. Don’t forget towards the end of his career with an elite Qb he broke Rice’s record. Moss is the Real GOAT he does things no other Wr could do because of his freakish athletic ability.
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He was only able to do some of those things because the WR’s and QB’s are off limits these days. They arent even playing the same sport.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Maybe not, Moss is listed as a starting WR for the 9ers, almost as hilarious as Smith at starting QB.
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What’s wrong with Alex Smith? Any time he’s had a stable coaching system he’s performed very well. So far, by my count that has only occurred in 3 of his seasons.
Smith is a prime example of how differently a QB can look depending on the franchise. Stability goes a long way.
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He has played well in that system, definitely took him long enough, but I don’t consider him or Flacco to be elite. I see them getting to the playoffs and getting spanked by an elite QB.
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Smith kicked Drew Brees’ ass in the playoffs last year and Flacco completely outclassed Brady in the AFC Championship game. Flacco’s measurables are off the charts.
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Smith/Flacco shouldn’t be mentioned in the same paragraph as Brady/Brees, oh you just did.lol No comment on that bro, good luck with that theory.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I saw Cam Newton give up last night on a fumble he lost, just assumed he was down when he wasn’t and the defense jumped on the ball. The whole time their going for the ball, he’s walking away from the play. That was all I needed to see from that guy.
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4,750 yards, 34 TDs…thats all I needed to see LOL.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
“Smith kicked Drew Brees’ ass in the playoffs last year and Flacco completely outclassed Brady in the AFC Championship game. Flacco’s measurables are off the charts.”
Debo is right!
BTW Debo I am sorry for being an ass to you I hope you accept my apology?
August 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I saw Cam Newton give up last night on a fumble he lost, just assumed he was down when he wasn’t and the defense jumped on the ball. The whole time their going for the ball, he’s walking away from the play. That was all I needed to see from that guy.
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4,750 yards, 34 TDs…thats all I needed to see LOL.
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And a 6-10 record, just about how they should place this year:)
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I would also pull the plug on lienart for one simple reason. what pryor did can only be duplicated by a handful of players in pro football. He was leaps and bounds better, and i believe it was a direct result of taking the 2nd team reps in practice and playing more time in the game itself. he appears to get a little better every time out. I think we can accelerate his growth my giving him the 2nd team qb spot, as opposed to having him run scout team, he should be getting snaps running our offense. besides if palmer goes down our season is over, lienart wont be able to save it
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The only smart post youve ever made.
Yes, Houdinis rapid improvement had everything to do with getting the 2nd team reps.
If TP can back it up against the SeaGulls, of which I hope he gets 3 quarters of play, then I may be in favor of moving him up the depth chart.
Leinart is who he is and isnt going to get any better or worse from the reps. Im very curious to see what Houdini is capable of now.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I saw Cam Newton give up last night on a fumble he lost, just assumed he was down when he wasn’t and the defense jumped on the ball. The whole time their going for the ball, he’s walking away from the play. That was all I needed to see from that guy.
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4,750 yards, 34 TDs…thats all I needed to see LOL.
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And a 6-10 record, just about how they should place this year:)
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Probably 1-15 or 2-14 without him.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Flacco had one of the worst completion percentages in the entire NFL, if I’m not mistaken, don’t see how that equates to measurables.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
JFB,
For the record, I said that that Fitzpatrick has sucked since the second half of last year and could be benched. Didn’t say VY although he would have been the logical choice had he made the team. Now it could be Tavaris that steps in. As for VY, love the guy, but he hasn’t been good this preseason. None of the QBs have. Still think there’s a place for him in this league though. If I’m Ken Whisenhunt, I’m watching game film of VY right this minute. Congrats on cheating death this weekend by the way.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I saw Cam Newton give up last night on a fumble he lost, just assumed he was down when he wasn’t and the defense jumped on the ball. The whole time their going for the ball, he’s walking away from the play. That was all I needed to see from that guy.
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4,750 yards, 34 TDs…thats all I needed to see LOL.
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And a 6-10 record, just about how they should place this year:)
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Probably 1-15 or 2-14 without him.
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Either way he will make C’mon man this week for his bone-headed play.lol
August 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
“Either way, I dont think a 21st century style guy has ever really been given a fair shake with exception to Fran. Every other QB has been given raw deals by their coaches for the majority of football. Teams are just too conservative. Plus, its just never worked.
It’s interesting what Ron Rivera is doing in Carolina. Its something we should all be taking note of. They are definitely going against the grain and thinking outside the box.”
You raise an interesting point, thank you.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
Sorry carson but you need the reps. i know its embarrassing for you but i need you to play into the 2nd quarter or until you lead a scoring drive or two.
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you have me all wrong this isnt about my like or dislike for palmer. this is about the raider season this year.
We need palmer to start, pryor isnt ready yet, lienart will never win in the league.
Palmer has not been good, so give him more time on the filed in the preseason. Even if he beats up on seattle 2nd 3rd stringers maybe he can gain some confidence heading into the season. As of now palmer is swimming in it, he needs the reps.
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I dont have you wrong. You think you know more than our coaching staff.
After the Detroit beating, the Visor said this about CP3, “He’s everything I want in a QB”
If CP3 is good enough for the Visor, why isnt CP3 good enough for you?
August 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Flacco had one of the worst completion percentages in the entire NFL, if I’m not mistaken, don’t see how that equates to measurables.
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Completion percentage is the most overrated stat in the history of stats in my opinion. Bottom line is the guy stays cool under pressure, is tall as hell, very mobile and may have the strongest arm in the NFL. All of these things were on display in the AFC Championship last year. Hard to count guys like that out.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Why do you guys let Alias come in and dictate the direction of discussion?Ignore him.He is just seeking attention.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Flacco had one of the worst completion percentages in the entire NFL, if I’m not mistaken, don’t see how that equates to measurables.
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Completion percentage is the most overrated stat in the history of stats in my opinion. Bottom line is the guy stays cool under pressure, is tall as hell, very mobile and may have the strongest arm in the NFL. All of these things were on display in the AFC Championship last year. Hard to count guys like that out.
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He’s a decent QB and I agree with some of that, but out classing Brady means nothing when he lost. When the playoffs come around, Smith and Flacco are the last QB’s I’d worry about.imo
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Why do you guys let Alias come in and dictate the direction of discussion?Ignore him.He is just seeking attention.
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Thankyou. And my apologies. I fall for the bait every time.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
i would take either one, they both are off the charts good. i give a slight edge to RGIII only because of his size and speed, but wilson can absolutely pick apart the defense. Willson has mastered the subtle parts of qb play, moving defenders with his eyes, creating throwing lanes, leading wrs to open space with the ball.
They both are 2 of the most accurate passers i have seen play college football.
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neither has an oline or wr’s. rgIII in a tougher division. don’t have the #’s but in the preseason, wilson has been more impressive to me. gna b interesting to watch
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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I agree, best deep threat ever.
But “best deep threat ever” does not equate to being the best overall WR of all-time.
Rice survived the era when the Steve Atwaters of the world were lurking the middle and were allowed to knock a b1tch out. Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
Moss is lucky he was born when he was. Whereas Rice could have played in any era.
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Steve Atwater Lol Moss would have ran right past or jumped over him for an easy TD. Its the other way around they are glad Moss wasn’t around in their era becuz he would have even more Tds just by running right past those old slow safeties. You act like there were no hard hitting safties around when Moss played. The game is harder today because athletes today are much better than yesteryear.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
“Bottom line is the guy stays cool under pressure, is tall as hell, very mobile and may have the strongest arm in the NFL. All of these things were on display in the AFC Championship last year. Hard to count guys like that out.”
I have always liked Flaco I really wanted him to beat New England last year and he came so close!
August 27th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
You see Mystic1 would like us all to believe that a NEW era of QB’s has arrived but he is wrong guys have been doing this for years with little or no success which is why we have pocket passers.
In the 1970’s we had Fran Tarkington
In the 1980’s we had Randell Cunningham
In the 1990’s we had Kordell Stewart
In the 2000′2 we had Mike Vick
In the 2010’s we have Cam Newton Terrell Pryor etc.
These running QB’s have been around forever and they don’t work in the big scheme of things these guys never won Super Bowls!!
Which is why its better to have a drop back passer than a RB who also is your QB like Mike Vick.
This is not a new era of QB’s this is what we have seen many times in the past the question is can a true running QB ever win the big one?
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not really bra
tarkenton, staubach, young, elway were all fanatstic qbs but they dont fit into the new wave of qbs, for one simple reason SPEED.
The speed that newton RGIII, vick and pryor stweart bring to the table have never been seen before in the nfl.
While cunningham and stewart were clearly athletic the eagles, and steelres did not maximise their talents by building an offense that fit their skills. it wasnt until randall got to minny where dennnis green realized that his long ball was his best asset and based the passing game on his talent. Stewart was wasted and stifled by switching positions early in his career, then juggling coordinators. he never had the chance to sit in one offense and master it.
essentially the nfl would have an athletic qb as a back up then try and force him into the existing offense. while not truly understanding how to utilize the unique talents that they bring it was like reverse engineering a ufo.
also take into account that many of the super athletic qbs before the late 90’s were often relegated to power option football in college. So they had a severe disadvantage when trying to make the jump to the nfl, being behind the curve developmental. However now these guys come from passing wide open passing attacks, that incorporate elements of the option to keep the defense off balance. the result has been an influx of hyper athletic talents with highly polished passing games, wilson rgIII and Newton fit this category. the nfl is late to the party but they we are seeing a major change.
No with the new wave qb, you are seeing coaches now understand that being super athletic is a quality that should be worked into the game plan and force the defense. This is why carolina and washington, are building offenses for these particular players. this is why this is a new era in qb play.
i hope we do the same for TP
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Harvey Unga waived..
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Moss would have been lucky to get off the line in the ‘old days’.He would have been maimed all the way down the field.And after watching him all these years,in all likelihood,his ego wouldn’t have been able to handle that beating he would have taken and he wouldn’t have been as effective.Just my opinion.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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I agree, best deep threat ever.
But “best deep threat ever” does not equate to being the best overall WR of all-time.
Rice survived the era when the Steve Atwaters of the world were lurking the middle and were allowed to knock a b1tch out. Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
Moss is lucky he was born when he was. Whereas Rice could have played in any era.
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Steve Atwater Lol Moss would have ran right past or jumped over him for an easy TD. Its the other way around they are glad Moss wasn’t around in their era becuz he would have even more Tds just by running right past those old slow safeties. You act like there were no hard hitting safties around when Moss played. The game is harder today because athletes today are much better than yesteryear.
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Moss never would have out ran Deion Sanders. Sanders would have owned Moss. The same way Charles Woodson did every time they played.
There were hard hitters when Moss played, but they werent allowed to hit Moss.
“Old slow safeties”??? What, have 40 times just drastically gotten faster in the last 10 years? NO!
August 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Roscoe Parrish as our 6th WR/KR/PR would be decent.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Moss would have been lucky to get off the line in the ‘old days’.He would have been maimed all the way down the field.And after watching him all these years,in all likelihood,his ego wouldn’t have been able to handle that beating he would have taken and he wouldn’t have been as effective.Just my opinion.
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That’s no opinion. That’s dead on fact.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Harvey Unga waived..
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That cat has some major problems. Kept leaving the Bears for weird reasons. Dude’s not right in the head.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Free’s up having to keep McCann also.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I heard Moss on the radio years ago bagging on the whole franchise, then he proceeded to jog in games and not even run full speed. Sounds like he needs to borrow some class from Flacco.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
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I dont have you wrong. You think you know more than our coaching staff.
After the Detroit beating, the Visor said this about CP3, “He’s everything I want in a QB”
If CP3 is good enough for the Visor, why isnt CP3 good enough for you?
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cmon riff, dont be gullable.
dennis allen wants to keep his job and needs to win in order to do that.
THERE IS NO WAY DENNIS ALLEN OR BIG MCK CAN POSSIBLY BE HAPPY ABOUT PALMERS PLAY DURING THIS PRE SEASON.
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
I dont expect the coach to throw palmer under the bus in the media, do you?
August 27th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
DVD to get a shot returning punts… Interesting.
THEY DONT WANT TO KEEP MCCANN EITHER!!
August 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Giordano … reliable, would be glad to have him back.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I heard Moss on the radio years ago bagging on the whole franchise, then he proceeded to jog in games and not even run full speed. Sounds like he needs to borrow some class from Flacco.
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I would have bagged on us also. We were a dumpster fire.
I dont know what you expect from guys like Moss. Ive never been around one great athlete that didnt go apesh1t when things were falling apart. They all want to get as far away from the team as possible and go someplace they can win. Its part of being a winner.
Call em tantrums or brats or whatever you want. But its a common trait of winners. Jerry Rice was the same way. Not everyone can have the class of a Tim Brown and put in 100% effort in a sea of sh1t. Nor should everyone be expected to.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Why are we keeping McCann again?Ford is our return man.Jones can return kick-offs and one of the BU wideouts could do punts if Ford can’t go.I will admit I haven’t noticed how he does on ST coverage though.That might be his ticket.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Timmah had no yacability and he signed with the donks.//////////////////////Notsure I agree and am too lazy to look it up. But thank you for keeping yacability in the vocabulary. Some day it will be a common football term coined right here by the semipros.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Pryor needs to just keep doing what’s he’s been doing …. Work hard .. Progress …
August 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
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I dont have you wrong. You think you know more than our coaching staff.
After the Detroit beating, the Visor said this about CP3, “He’s everything I want in a QB”
If CP3 is good enough for the Visor, why isnt CP3 good enough for you?
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cmon riff, dont be gullable.
dennis allen wants to keep his job and needs to win in order to do that.
THERE IS NO WAY DENNIS ALLEN OR BIG MCK CAN POSSIBLY BE HAPPY ABOUT PALMERS PLAY DURING THIS PRE SEASON.
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
I dont expect the coach to throw palmer under the bus in the media, do you?
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Four interceptions? Three of which werent his fault.
And a total of 3 dropped TD catches by his receivers and a bunch of other dropped passes that killed drives.
Why do you keep ignoring those facts?
August 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I heard Moss on the radio years ago bagging on the whole franchise, then he proceeded to jog in games and not even run full speed. Sounds like he needs to borrow some class from Flacco.
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I would have bagged on us also. We were a dumpster fire.
I dont know what you expect from guys like Moss. Ive never been around one great athlete that didnt go apesh1t when things were falling apart. They all want to get as far away from the team as possible and go someplace they can win. Its part of being a winner.
Call em tantrums or brats or whatever you want. But its a common trait of winners. Jerry Rice was the same way. Not everyone can have the class of a Tim Brown and put in 100% effort in a sea of sh1t. Nor should everyone be expected to.
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The bottom line is, he wasn’t being a professional. If other players on the team dealt with it, like professionals, who’s the problem?
August 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DVD is 4.2 speed … blazing … and obviously his CB value is in question with Allen, fielding a punt looks routine but is VERY hard to do … but once you catch them, the rest is making the first 2 guys miss and getting to the holes.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Four interceptions? Three of which werent his fault.
And a total of 3 dropped TD catches by his receivers and a bunch of other dropped passes that killed drives.
Why do you keep ignoring those facts?
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This is the truth, most fans are fine with CP thus far.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Why do you keep ignoring those facts?
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Because that is what Alias does.Always has,always will.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Post 116. Exactly why Palmer is a class act. Wanted out,kept it low key, played all out even tho he wanted out. Brown raised the stakes and public awareness and Carson called his bluff.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Outro yall
August 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Yacability, yacability, yacability.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
“I dont expect the coach to throw palmer under the bus in the media, do you?”
Actually I do!
He threw DVD under the bus and the LB crew asking them to pick it up why wouldn’t he do the same for Palmer….UNLESS what they say is true, that they were working on things and he was in fact doing what DA told him to do.
Just like when you see a running play go up the middle for no gain…..an inexperienced fan would say why did the RB run into that pile when there was no hole….because that’s how the play was drawn up and that is what the coach has asked him to do.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
DVD to get a shot returning punts… Interesting.
THEY DONT WANT TO KEEP MCCANN EITHER!!
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If he can return punts, they can dump McCann and get the roster spot back. Also, he may know he’s on the bubble and is trying to find SOMETHING to make himself more valuable.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
You see Mystic1 would like us all to believe that a NEW era of QB’s has arrived but he is wrong guys have been doing this for years with little or no success which is why we have pocket passers.
In the 1970’s we had Fran Tarkington
In the 1980’s we had Randell Cunningham
In the 1990’s we had Kordell Stewart
In the 2000′2 we had Mike Vick
In the 2010’s we have Cam Newton Terrell Pryor etc.
These running QB’s have been around forever and they don’t work in the big scheme of things these guys never won Super Bowls!!
Which is why its better to have a drop back passer than a RB who also is your QB like Mike Vick.
This is not a new era of QB’s this is what we have seen many times in the past the question is can a true running QB ever win the big one?
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Good post 666.
I agree. I don’t like scrambling/running quarterbacks; they always end up getting the crap knocked out of them and watching the game from the sideline.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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I agree, best deep threat ever.
But “best deep threat ever” does not equate to being the best overall WR of all-time.
Rice survived the era when the Steve Atwaters of the world were lurking the middle and were allowed to knock a b1tch out. Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
Moss is lucky he was born when he was. Whereas Rice could have played in any era.
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Steve Atwater Lol Moss would have ran right past or jumped over him for an easy TD. Its the other way around they are glad Moss wasn’t around in their era becuz he would have even more Tds just by running right past those old slow safeties. You act like there were no hard hitting safties around when Moss played. The game is harder today because athletes today are much better than yesteryear.
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Moss never would have out ran Deion Sanders. Sanders would have owned Moss. The same way Charles Woodson did every time they played.
There were hard hitters when Moss played, but they werent allowed to hit Moss.
“Old slow safeties”??? What, have 40 times just drastically gotten faster in the last 10 years? NO
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You are right Riff nobody could outrun Deon(greatest DB ever) but could deon jump with Moss on a deep ball don’t think anybody could. And the rules haven’t changed THAT much in the 90’s you still couldn’t touch a wr after 5 yards even tho they did (remember Ty Law Molesting Marvin Harrison) but it not like rice played in the 70’s when you could basically cheat and hold a wr all the way down the field now that stuff wasn’t football imo talk about dirty players my god.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Allen should just tell Jano to just forget it when it comes
Having to chasing down kick returners…. His big old a$$ never catches anybody anyway… I believe this is the 3 time he injured his Humpty Dumpty self trying to catch someone…dude ain’t a sprinter …
August 27th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
East-that was football.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I can’t believe that Palmer’s problems this pre-season are because he’s learning a new offense (Knapp’s), one that it doesn’t necessarily fit him.
How can this be a problem? This is a 10 year veteran, who has probably been exposed to multiple offenses in his career.
What’s there to learn? This is Knapp, who according to folks in the BA know quite well how ineffective he can be. Seriously, is Knapp’s offense something that would take months to learn? For a 10 year vet? Is Knapp the second coming of Bill Walsh?
Why would any coach play the starting Qb on the last meaningless game of pre-season? Why would a coach and GM risk the injury of the Qb who is, allegedly, the instant update?
The more Carson plays on Friday the better the chances of getting hurt… oh, now I get it…
August 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
“Bottom line is the guy stays cool under pressure, is tall as hell, very mobile and may have the strongest arm in the NFL. All of these things were on display in the AFC Championship last year. Hard to count guys like that out.”
I have always liked Flaco I really wanted him to beat New England last year and he came so close!
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Had money on that game. Was so pissed at Evans and Cundiff. Both have paid the price. No need to apologize 666. I was as big a jerk to you. Sounds like you’re turning over a new leaf. Think I’ll do the same. With the season about to start, this is as good a time as any.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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I agree, best deep threat ever.
But “best deep threat ever” does not equate to being the best overall WR of all-time.
Rice survived the era when the Steve Atwaters of the world were lurking the middle and were allowed to knock a b1tch out. Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
Moss is lucky he was born when he was. Whereas Rice could have played in any era.
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Steve Atwater Lol Moss would have ran right past or jumped over him for an easy TD. Its the other way around they are glad Moss wasn’t around in their era becuz he would have even more Tds just by running right past those old slow safeties. You act like there were no hard hitting safties around when Moss played. The game is harder today because athletes today are much better than yesteryear.
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Moss never would have out ran Deion Sanders. Sanders would have owned Moss. The same way Charles Woodson did every time they played.
There were hard hitters when Moss played, but they werent allowed to hit Moss.
“Old slow safeties”??? What, have 40 times just drastically gotten faster in the last 10 years? NO
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You are right Riff nobody could outrun Deon(greatest DB ever) but could deon jump with Moss on a deep ball don’t think anybody could. And the rules haven’t changed THAT much in the 90’s you still couldn’t touch a wr after 5 yards even tho they did (remember Ty Law Molesting Marvin Harrison) but it not like rice played in the 70’s when you could basically cheat and hold a wr all the way down the field now that stuff wasn’t football imo talk about dirty players my god.
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Michael Irvin was tough as nails and an absolute bad@ss and he couldnt survive his era.
Sterling Sharpe might have ended up in the top 3 of all time yet he couldnt survive his era.
Moss would not have lasted a full 16 games in the 90s. His route running never would have been good enough to get him off the line in the 70s.
He was very good, a true HOFer no doubt. But a large part of his dominance had a lot to do with his era.
If you want to be considered the best of all time, you better have been able to play in any era.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
No way in hell does RGIII last 16 games this season.
Everytime he gets hit, his cleats end up above where his waist was. He just does not absorb contact well.
Compare it to big guys like Ben, Cam, even Flacco. They get hit and absorb the initial contact, and then the defender has to drag them down.
Right now, and in college, defenders are just running right through RGIII. I give him a ton of credit for getting up, most of the time, but don’t see that happening forever.
I hope I am wrong, because he is fun to watch and a great kid. That first pass to Garcon went 70 yards in the air and should have been caught.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
“I dont expect the coach to throw palmer under the bus in the media, do you?”
Actually I do!
He threw DVD under the bus and the LB crew asking them to pick it up why wouldn’t he do the same for Palmer….UNLESS what they say is true, that they were working on things and he was in fact doing what DA told him to do.
Just like when you see a running play go up the middle for no gain…..an inexperienced fan would say why did the RB run into that pile when there was no hole….because that’s how the play was drawn up and that is what the coach has asked him to do.
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This is right. One of the very first things both the org and the coaches said was we need to improve the secondary. Minutes later Routt and Johnson were done. These guys don’t talk pretty or mess around.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
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I dont have you wrong. You think you know more than our coaching staff.
After the Detroit beating, the Visor said this about CP3, “He’s everything I want in a QB”
If CP3 is good enough for the Visor, why isnt CP3 good enough for you?
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cmon riff, dont be gullable.
dennis allen wants to keep his job and needs to win in order to do that.
THERE IS NO WAY DENNIS ALLEN OR BIG MCK CAN POSSIBLY BE HAPPY ABOUT PALMERS PLAY DURING THIS PRE SEASON.
33 of 56 passes for 321 yards, with four interceptions, no touchdowns and a passer rating of no higher than 53.5 in any game.
I dont expect the coach to throw palmer under the bus in the media, do you?
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Four interceptions? Three of which werent his fault.
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I don’t know if I’d say that 4th one was all on McGee. It hit him in the hands and everything, but Palmer threw high and led him into a defender. We can call McGee a wimp for hearing footsteps, but Palmer set him up to get blasted.
August 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
BTW,JFB,good for you,it wasn’t your time.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
And Flacco is getting better every year, and I expect will take another step up this year.
I’d rather have him over Matt Ryan, Schaub, Romo and Philisha.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Timmah had no yacability and he signed with the donks.//////////////////////Notsure I agree and am too lazy to look it up. But thank you for keeping yacability in the vocabulary. Some day it will be a common football term coined right here by the semipros.
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Coined by Thec…
August 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
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Have you ever seen Moss take a big lick? That’s because he is to busy runnin by dbs to take a hit. Can’t hit a guy that’s runnin past you unless u wanna a PI call.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
If you want to be considered the best of all time, you better have been able to play in any era.
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This semi knows his football. Well said.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
No way in hell does RGIII last 16 games this season.
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Sounds like this is your hope…
August 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I don’t know if I’d say that 4th one was all on McGee. It hit him in the hands and everything,
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I think even a 5th string WR would say if the ball hits you in the hands you should catch it. Especially if you didn’t get hit immediately.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Have you ever seen Moss take a big lick? That’s because he is to busy runnin by dbs to take a hit
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I’ve seen Moss slid and take a knee to avoid being hit over the middle against Cleveland once. Moss runs out patterns and doesnt do the over the middle stuff regularly.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
“I dont expect the coach to throw palmer under the bus in the media, do you?”
Actually I do!
He threw DVD under the bus and the LB crew asking them to pick it up why wouldn’t he do the same for Palmer….
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Dont believe the hype, saying that your lb’s or back up 2nd year cb isnt nearly the same as talking about your 10 year vet high priced starting qb
No coach in his right mind would trash the qb he needs to start the season, when there wasnt even a qb competition
August 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
BTW,JFB,good for you,it wasn’t your time.
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Thanks dude.
Maybe The Man felt we needed more Pro-Palmer people on here since that crowd seems to be thinning out.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
“Had money on that game. Was so pissed at Evans and Cundiff. Both have paid the price. No need to apologize 666. I was as big a jerk to you. Sounds like you’re turning over a new leaf. Think I’ll do the same. With the season about to start, this is as good a time as any.”
We are all brothers in this great Raider Nation and like you said the season is about to start its a good time to join together and be one nation under the skull and cross bones!
August 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
No way in hell does RGIII last 16 games this season.
Everytime he gets hit, his cleats end up above where his waist was. He just does not absorb contact well.
Compare it to big guys like Ben, Cam, even Flacco. They get hit and absorb the initial contact, and then the defender has to drag them down.
Right now, and in college, defenders are just running right through RGIII. I give him a ton of credit for getting up, most of the time, but don’t see that happening forever.
I hope I am wrong, because he is fun to watch and a great kid. That first pass to Garcon went 70 yards in the air and should have been caught.
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LMAO!!!!!
I thought you said he wouldnt even play nfl football HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Im glad i taught you about this kid though jfb
welcome to the new wave
August 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
FYI, someone is now posting as RaiderRob. this is not me.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sounds like this is your hope…
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Not at all, I want to see the kid play.
Redskins football has been boring as hell for years now, time for a change.
I just see the kid get hit, and I think Man, he can’t take those very much longer before he gets a little punchy.
We will see.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
FYI, someone is now posting as RaiderRob. this is not me.
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It’s mistress biachi. The blog troll. why any of you engage her is beyond me.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
“Dont believe the hype, saying that your lb’s or back up 2nd year cb isnt nearly the same as talking about your 10 year vet high priced starting qb
No coach in his right mind would trash the qb he needs to start the season, when there wasnt even a qb competition”
I just don’t see DA coddling any player, 10 year vet or rookie, he seems like a straight shooter but you never know only time will tell.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
666-why,why,why?
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
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Have you ever seen Moss take a big lick? That’s because he is to busy runnin by dbs to take a hit. Can’t hit a guy that’s runnin past you unless u wanna a PI call.
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But who is going to throw him the ball? Back then you had Reggie Whites and Bruce Smiths and Greg Townsends BLASTING QB’s every time they dropped back.
If you wanted to do a 5 or 7 step drop so that Moss would have enough time to get down field, the QB was going to go out on a stretcher. Thats why the WCO became so effective.
Half the QBs in the league today that are putting up HOF numbers never would have survived 15 years ago. Drew Brees would have been toast. And Drew is GREAT. But he never would have lasted 10 games with Howie Long ripping his head off.
This is where youre not seeing the full scope of things. QBs used to have to be tough. WRs used to have to go over the middle.
We had speed demons on our LA Raiders teams and we never could get the ball to them because our QBs could NEVER stay healthy. Shroeder, Hostetler, and all the rest were constantly hurt.
Back when football used to be football, simply running 4 WR go routes got your QB killed.
The only reason teams like New England are able to bring back the long ball is because of the new rules.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
And Flacco is getting better every year, and I expect will take another step up this year.
I’d rather have him over Matt Ryan, Schaub, Romo and Philisha.
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I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan. The only guy I don’t agree with on your list is Romo. Everyone loves to hate him, but I’ve got to admit the guy is good. Screws up some in crunch time, but he’s the one guy who trashes my theory on supporting casts. Doesn’t seem to matter who he’s got at WR, he always seems to make plays. Poster boy for the in-exact science that is the NFL draft process.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
interesting that they cut tonga right now. shmitt’s presence meant he would be cut eventually but w/ putting jackson on IR, it leaves them only 2 FB’s (if u can even count reece as a FB). if schmitt would get hurt, then what?
August 27th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Romo is certainly good, not trashing him by any means.
But I think Flacco is emerging into that 2nd tier of NFL QB’s, and is only a championship away from being a top 5-8 QB in this league.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
interesting that they cut tonga right now. shmitt’s presence meant he would be cut eventually but w/ putting jackson on IR, it leaves them only 2 FB’s (if u can even count reece as a FB). if schmitt would get hurt, then what?
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Knapp likes single back too, with the TE motioning into the backfield.
Not that big of a deal for 1 game.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I don’t know if I’d say that 4th one was all on McGee. It hit him in the hands and everything,
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I think even a 5th string WR would say if the ball hits you in the hands you should catch it. Especially if you didn’t get hit immediately.
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Hey, I dont blame McGee for dropping it either. Just like Im not mad at Ford for not selling out on the first one. Bad plays happen. Im just not going to declare CP3 a bust because of it.
Its clear all the real fans know what is up. Alias has his one song he knows how to play and hes stuck on that tune. We all need to take Leftys advice.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
if schmitt would get hurt, then what?
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Call Tonga back, he will be available.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Michael Irvin was tough as nails and an absolute bad@ss and he couldnt survive his era.
Sterling Sharpe might have ended up in the top 3 of all time yet he couldnt survive his era.
Moss would not have lasted a full 16 games in the 90s. His route running never would have been good enough to get him off the line in the 70s.
He was very good, a true HOFer no doubt. But a large part of his dominance had a lot to do with his era.
If you want to be considered the best of all time, you better have been able to play in any era.
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Its not that Micheal push off irving or sharpe didn’t SURVIVE there era’s they just had horrific injuries which still happen today and ill say it again 70’s football was cheating cave man football. Pure crap. Imho.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
“666-why,why,why?”
Because I get called a bully they say I have a caustic or abrasive personality.
Just trying to be cool to peeps instead of being an ass.
Is that what you were asking?
August 27th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
116.Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I heard Moss on the radio years ago bagging on the whole franchise, then he proceeded to jog in games and not even run full speed. Sounds like he needs to borrow some class from Flacco.
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I would have bagged on us also. We were a dumpster fire.
I dont know what you expect from guys like Moss. Ive never been around one great athlete that didnt go apesh1t when things were falling apart. They all want to get as far away from the team as possible and go someplace they can win. Its part of being a winner.
Call em tantrums or brats or whatever you want. But its a common trait of winners. Jerry Rice was the same way. Not everyone can have the class of a Tim Brown and put in 100% effort in a sea of sh1t. Nor should everyone be expected to.
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Sounds like Palmer; although he DID handle it with class. Has never ripped on the Bengal org….he just wanted out and refused to spend the rest of his career with an org. not fully committed to winning like he is.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
i never thought tonga was all that good. a decent “real” fb. my complaint was always that reece can’t block at all. i like shmitt better than tonga. it’s just interesting that they cut him instead of one of the other easily cuttable players, leaving FB very thin for the last preseason game. i suppose they can also use gordon there, as they did last year, and have a few times already this season. not a huge deal. just kinda curious. but i think they’re happy with schmitt. and reece has hardly been heard from. they are either down on him or they don’t want to show how they’re going to use him. my hunch is he and the other rb’s will be heavily used in the passing game, often split out as wr’s, especially given the injuries to the wr corps.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
interesting that they cut tonga right now. shmitt’s presence meant he would be cut eventually but w/ putting jackson on IR, it leaves them only 2 FB’s (if u can even count reece as a FB). if schmitt would get hurt, then what?
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Bring Tonga back or maybe PS him (if he’s still eligible). Gordon also played some blocking FB last season.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
70’s footbal was awesome football… Nothing better then big bruisers with black eye’s and missing teeth with fake cast moldings on there arms meant for bashing in helmets and breaking ribs, Not to mention
the whole Raider Recieving Corps were soaked in Stick-Um before every game.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Romo has ALWAYS had talented receivers. Shoot, he had Terrell Owens in his prime as well as Jason Witten and host of others.
Jerry has always gotten him plenty of ammo to work with.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Tonga is a dime a dozen
August 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
666-why encourage Alias.
East-todays football is pansy football.You can’t touch the QB,WRs get to run free without getting hit but I guess it plays well with the younger fans.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan.
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You would take Jamarcus over Ryan. Enuff said.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Tonga is a dime a dozen
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True.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Tonga is a dime a dozen
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true. just a little early to cut him i thought.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Everytime someone mentions “yacability” the lyrics from “Peronality” by Lloyd Price start running through my head. I know it’s an oldie but sing along.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
“Personality”, sorry.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Early cut surprises to me were Tonga and Brodine;
I think Tonga’s was to give him a shot playing somewhere as Reece and Schmitt were definitely ahead of him;Bodine did not make plays.
Others were camp bodies, though I expect Henry to be on our practice squad.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
“plus you got a great big heart………”
August 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Way to go Lefty!
August 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
I would like to see Ford, Moore healthy game 1.
Then lastly, Curry, but I’m thinking that impossible.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Curry goes on PUP, Kilgore will be the defensive rookie of the year and on Madden 2014!
August 27th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
seems that the characterization of pryor in practice were not really fair in this tribune.
i think there should have been mention of the fact that pryor was only getting about 10 snaps in practice sessions. the way it was reported could lead you to believe he was getting ample opportunity and just smoking it off.
Also this would have helped the fans to have a much more realistic idea of what to expect in his first pre season. No one would expect young tp to flourish in games if only gets 10 snaps in practice. I believe the lack of full perceptive has caused TP to take some very unfair criticism.
he got major snaps with the 2nd team and his progress showed. His play and unique gifts have now demanded more snaps in practice and in the pre season finally.
pryor is forcing his way onto the field and into the consciousness of the fan bas through his hard work preparation and perseverance, and his dazzling array and blend of talents.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Moss was way too fragile to ever handle a lick from Ronnie Lott.
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Have you ever seen Moss take a big lick? That’s because he is to busy runnin by dbs to take a hit. Can’t hit a guy that’s runnin past you unless u wanna a PI call.
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But who is going to throw him the ball? Back then you had Reggie Whites and Bruce Smiths and Greg Townsends BLASTING QB’s every time they dropped back.
If you wanted to do a 5 or 7 step drop so that Moss would have enough time to get down field, the QB was going to go out on a stretcher. Thats why the WCO became so effective.
Half the QBs in the league today that are putting up HOF numbers never would have survived 15 years ago. Drew Brees would have been toast. And Drew is GREAT. But he never would have lasted 10 games with Howie Long ripping his head off.
This is where youre not seeing the full scope of things. QBs used to have to be tough. WRs used to have to go over the middle.
We had speed demons on our LA Raiders teams and we never could get the ball to them because our QBs could NEVER stay healthy. Shroeder, Hostetler, and all the rest were constantly hurt.
Back when football used to be football, simply running 4 WR go routes got your QB killed.
The only reason teams like New England are able to bring back the long ball is because of the new rules.
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Riff we have more passrushers today than ever one on almost every team but the difference is we also have better more athletic Olines today. But I see your point becuz now you can’t hit Qbs in head or below kness but that rule was just installed a few years ago.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Lil Wiz is another injury coming to mind.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I don’t really see much of a difference in the way the game is played now, just the way it is officiated.
Players don’t seem to be really adapting to the changes, they just play on and if they call it, they call it.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
JFB,
Sorry man but I am not impressed with Flacco. I think Flacco has benefited from playing with that D and a strong ground game. They should have won at least 1 more SB if they had any upper tier QB there. it’s a shame that their window has passed them by.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan.
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You would take Jamarcus over Ryan. Enuff said.
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Right about that. Would love to have seen JR with those weapons. an embarrassment of riches! And to think, that team got shut out in the playoffs.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I don’t really see much of a difference in the way the game is played now, just the way it is officiated.
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You would have gotten killed being a prima donna.
What some of the Semi’s were accusing CRINER of being.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
No sissys allowed 70’s football.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
AIG,
I think all that was true with Flacco a few years ago when the team was dragging him along.
But not lately. The Ravens D isn’t what it once was, still good though, and he has been asked many times to come through at the end of games, and was nails last year.
I think he takes a big step up this season, along with Cutler.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
it’s a shame that their window has passed them by.
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I don’t understand the love that the BALTIMORE Ravens receive on this Oakland Raider blog.Not only are they on the other side of the continent but one of their players cheap-shotted our QB and prevented us from possibly winning another Lombardi.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
60’s football you better be tough. Play with broken bones concussions, etc…
Diffrent brand and diffrent man
August 27th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
fingers Says:
Allen should just tell Jano to just forget it when it comes
Having to chasing down kick returners…. His big old a$$ never catches anybody anyway… I believe this is the 3 time he injured his Humpty Dumpty self trying to catch someone…dude ain’t a sprinter …////////////////////////////////Agree with the first part, but Jano has taken out a couple, maybe even more than 5, returners. Definitely needs the angle, though.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Re: the terrelle pryor bandwagon. let’s slow the roll a little bit. i like him and i was dazzled saturday too. i’ve always thought he had a chance. basically, he looked like did at OSU. however, his passing mechanics are still very bad. he throws off his back foot, kinda jump throws sometimes. he has a long way to go before he would be a good consistent passer. what we saw was amazing escapability, and natural playmaking ability. in some ways, he reminds me of brett favre in that regard. he may not do things the way ur “supposed” to do them but the results can be stunning. what i think he did do, was force himself into the picture for the future. if we cut him, most teams would now be interested. i don’t think that was the case before saturday. he is tebow with speed. dreadful mechanics that make qb gurus shake their head, but with great fire, determination, and so much physical ability that he can do what seems nearly impossible: walk on an nfl field and perform so athletically that the other players look subpar. he’s like some gifted kid that can do what he wants b/c the other kids can’t come close no matter what training they have.
he will either be utterly incredible, or one of those guys that everyone talks about “if only….” about.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Back in the 80’s, there were some awesome battles between Mark Bavaro and Ronnie Lott. I felt you had to earn your right to catch over the middle. Now, you are required to make room for the guy to dive for the ball.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
What some of the Semi’s were accusing CRINER of being.
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Yeah, we got over that 7K thing pretty quickly didn’t we, lol
It was a good topic du juor, we need those at the beginning of camps.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Romo has ALWAYS had talented receivers. Shoot, he had Terrell Owens in his prime as well as Jason Witten and host of others.
Jerry has always gotten him plenty of ammo to work with.
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Yeah, but Myles Austin came out of nowhere with Romo. He even managed to get a second 15 mins of fame for the dude who won Joe’s vs. Pros against the 49ers last year. Did you see what he did Saturday night with that no-name guy against the Rams? Austin and Bryant were out. And don’t forget Laurent Robinson. Just like Zach Miller continues to send a percentage of his check to JaMarcus every week, Robinson pays his tribute to Romo for getting him paid in Jacksonville.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
lefty12,
I love defensive football. The Ravens played it the right way for me as a football fan. I hate the Steelers and Ravens but I give them much respect for being tough as nails every year defensively.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
666-why encourage Alias.
East-todays football is pansy football.You can’t touch the QB,WRs get to run free without getting hit but I guess it plays well with the younger fans.
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If you consider throwing dirt in your opponents face(joe greene) using stickum(lester hayes) molesting Wr all the way down the field(all dbs back then) karate choping qbs in the head football then yes give me the new pansy football where skill an athleic ability get it done.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
OK JFB we can leave it at that.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Janikowski has elite speed, thats why Tom Cable dialed-up the infamous
“thru the legs no-look lechler to Janikowski FG fake”
August 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I know AIG.You have to respect the Ravens D.Now the Stealers,they’ll never get an ounce of respect from me.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
GOOD QUESTION HERE … # of pass attempts for Lechler this year? lol
August 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Yacability coined by Thec. Would’ve given you credit Thec but I couldn’t remember. I do remember that thread section, though. Hilarious. One of the highlights of the off season. Gave you due props at the time, I remember.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan.
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You would take Jamarcus over Ryan. Enuff said.
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Right about that. Would love to have seen JR with those weapons. an embarrassment of riches! And to think, that team got shut out in the playoffs.
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it’s pretty embarrassing that u still talk so glowingly about russell. the dude sucked. accept it and let it go. i wonder if there is someone on the chargers site still talking about how unfair ryan leaf was treated and that he was so good in college and had all these skills. face it dude. there are tons of gifted players in college that suck in the nfl. russell sucked. period. NO ONE wanted him after he was cut. john lucas bailed on him. he was a drug addict and it killed his career. not anyone’s fault but his own. i wish him well in life but he is one of the biggest busts in nfl history and EVERYONE agrees but you. u probably think buster douglas got the shaft.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Janikowski has elite speed, thats why Tom Cable dialed-up the infamous
“thru the legs no-look lechler to Janikowski FG fake”
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Calls like that are why Cable will only sniff an HC position again as some fired coach’s interim.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Cable had poetic media sessions. lmao
August 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Yacability coined by Thec. Would’ve given you credit Thec but I couldn’t remember. I do remember that thread section, though. Hilarious. One of the highlights of the off season. Gave you due props at the time, I remember.
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hahahahahahha…Yeah i remember the convo now…
August 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Lefty,
Being an older guy, you prob felt the pain of them robbing us in those days. I can feel your pain.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
we would lose like 42 to 7 and Cable,
“you know were close .. pad level, hands, things like that.”
August 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
lefty12,
I love defensive football. The Ravens played it the right way for me as a football fan. I hate the Steelers and Ravens but I give them much respect for being tough as nails every year defensively.
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Baltimore has a badass organization from top to bottom. Year after year, they draft well and bring in the right free agents. And instead of jumping on the bandwagon and getiing rid of Ray Lewis, they were 100% supportive. Turned out to be the best decision an organization has made in the last 20 years. I hope Reggie was taking notes from afar.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I don’t really see much of a difference in the way the game is played now, just the way it is officiated.
Players don’t seem to be really adapting to the changes, they just play on and if they call it, they call it.
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Get on YouTube and go watch the hits guys like Phil Simms used to have to endure.
Joe Theismann is a prime example of a VERY good QB that could not survive because the defenders back then were coming hard and hitting long after the ball was thrown.
Seriously, go watch some of the old highlights. QB’s took a beating.
Randy Moss is a top 10 guy all-time. I have him at 5th on my list. So its not like Im dogging the guy. But he may not have even been the best of his era. Marvin Harrison and more realistically, Terrel Owens both can make very strong claims to being the best of their era. That could concievably drop Moss down a bit on some peoples scales.
I got a very cool TO story from when he was with the Eagles I doubt many have you know about. It’s only known in NFL circles. I’ll type it up and post it in a few minutes.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
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Maybe you shouldn’t make it so easy for them to pick on you?
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Oakglenn, I’ve tried to be nice to you, you cross-posting btch
August 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan.
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You would take Jamarcus over Ryan. Enuff said.
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Right about that. Would love to have seen JR with those weapons. an embarrassment of riches! And to think, that team got shut out in the playoffs.
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Egads, man, Debo is still obsessing over JR. It’s finished, over; you can’t go back. If JR had talent he would still be in the NFL.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
East,so you don’t believe those older players had skill and athletic ability?You mention stickum.Now players wear gloves that are just as sticky as the stickum was.Players today still pull all kinds of crap in the trenches and under piles.It’s a different game for sure,but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is better.That is a matter of opinion.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
we would lose like 42 to 7 and Cable,
“you know were close .. pad level, hands, things like that.”
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LOL!!
Classic!!..
August 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan.
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You would take Jamarcus over Ryan. Enuff said.
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Right about that. Would love to have seen JR with those weapons. an embarrassment of riches! And to think, that team got shut out in the playoffs.
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it’s pretty embarrassing that u still talk so glowingly about russell. the dude sucked. accept it and let it go. i wonder if there is someone on the chargers site still talking about how unfair ryan leaf was treated and that he was so good in college and had all these skills. face it dude. there are tons of gifted players in college that suck in the nfl. russell sucked. period. NO ONE wanted him after he was cut. john lucas bailed on him. he was a drug addict and it killed his career. not anyone’s fault but his own. i wish him well in life but he is one of the biggest busts in nfl history and EVERYONE agrees but you. u probably think buster douglas got the shaft.
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Blah, blah, blah.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderRob is not me. i repeat, RaiderRob is not me.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
kandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I’d take a lot of guys over Ryan.
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You would take Jamarcus over Ryan. Enuff said.
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Right about that. Would love to have seen JR with those weapons. an embarrassment of riches! And to think, that team got shut out in the playoffs.
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Egads, man, Debo is still obsessing over JR. It’s finished, over; you can’t go back. If JR had talent he would still be in the NFL.
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That’s a new one. So now JR doesn’t have talent?
August 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
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Maybe you shouldn’t make it so easy for them to pick on you?
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Oakglenn, I’ve tried to be nice to you, you cross-posting btch
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All these youngsters able to dominate the blog for a few hrs think they are kings of the underground, as if what they are doing is something novel.
Fiddlesticks!
August 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
And instead of jumping on the bandwagon and getiing rid of Ray Lewis, they were 100% supportive
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Well, he was the best player on the team.
You make exceptions to rules for the elite, in all walks of life and jobs.
You don’t get away with it if you are struggling or middle of the pack.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm:
Yeah Debo, a talent for being stupid, getting fat, and slurping down purple drank.
TP has talent.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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Agreed
August 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Jawalrus had many people fooled, one being me, but I will tell you today he’s a lazy bust. All the talent in the world can’t help that guy, or Leaf for that matter.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
And instead of jumping on the bandwagon and getiing rid of Ray Lewis, they were 100% supportive
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Well, he was the best player on the team.
You make exceptions to rules for the elite, in all walks of life and jobs.
You don’t get away with it if you are struggling or middle of the pack.
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I usually agree. But that charge?? The guy was radioactive at the time. Kind of like Mike Vick. There are still people calling that guy a killer. Baltimore showed some serious stones standing behind him like it did.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
JR had a lot of natural talent, but was under the impression that you can get by at QB in the NFL without hard work. Wrong.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
ckandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm:
Yeah Debo, a talent for being stupid, getting fat, and slurping down purple drank.
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Lazy, fat and stupid. I’m bored again.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Good afternoon JFB, KK, Lefty, AIG, Nation!
August 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
No one really talks about it besides Pats fans, but ask them about Moss at the end of the Super Bowl loss against the Giants.
Brady stepped up in the pocket with around 25 seconds left, rifled one about 65 yards down the field before he got decleated, and put it right on the money to Moss between two defenders.
He barely made an effort to catch it, and didn’t.
Not the GOAT.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
JR had a lot of natural talent, but was under the impression that you can get by at QB in the NFL without hard work. Wrong.
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Wasn’t in the locker room with him so I don’t know how hard he worked. But with the lack of stability in coaching and his terrible supporting cast, he had no shot whatsoever. Ask Sam Bradford.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Afternoon,TRDR.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RaiderDebo is like a guy who just woke up from a coma or just got our of prison. his knowledge of the world stopped after we drafted russell. he missed the results and still is hyped on him. it’s pretty funny really. like disco stu from the simpsons. just still really into disco and somehow missed the music scene for the last 30 years.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RaiderDebo is like a guy who just woke up from a coma or just got our of prison. his knowledge of the world stopped after we drafted russell. he missed the results and still is hyped on him. it’s pretty funny really. like disco stu from the simpsons. just still really into disco and somehow missed the music scene for the last 30 years.
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Disco Stu (who the Hell is that??), Lol! Gee you’re so funny. Why’re you wasting time on this blog?? You’re a shoe-in for the America’s Got Talent trophy.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RaiderDebo is like a guy who just woke up from a coma or just got our of prison. his knowledge of the world stopped after we drafted russell. he missed the results and still is hyped on him. it’s pretty funny really. like disco stu from the simpsons. just still really into disco and somehow missed the music scene for the last 30 years.
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Disco Stu (who the Hell is that??), Lol! Gee you’re so funny. Why’re you wasting time on this blog?? You’re a shoe-in for the America’s Got Talent trophy.
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Not!
August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Pryor is getting better, thats good to see.
Palmer needs to be a lil more careful
Burris starting is not a good ide.
We are a much better I-line w Wiz on the field.
Streeter n Criner are keepers.
MM 34 is legit, but not as legit as T Branch
Checkwa and DVD may not make it
Tiwan Jones looks much better than Goodson
We really need a TE
Punt n kick coverage looks bad
Return looks worse
August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Lefty
What’s happening? We’re takin’ some jabs at Jawalrus, but he’s not faded cause he’s 300 pounds.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
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Maybe you shouldn’t make it so easy for them to pick on you?
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Oakglenn, I’ve tried to be nice to you, you cross-posting btch
48 yr Raider Diehard and you put me in the company of Missus Beecham? fk you, you cross-postingbtch
August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Debo,
We are all bored too.
What I think you should do is go to the deep south, hire a personal trainer and take charge of the personal and professional resurrection of JR.
Only then will your eyes be open.
And by the way Debo, you make some interesting comments except this JR affair.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
JR had a lot of natural talent, but was under the impression that you can get by at QB in the NFL without hard work. Wrong.
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Wasn’t in the locker room with him so I don’t know how hard he worked. But with the lack of stability in coaching and his terrible supporting cast, he had no shot whatsoever. Ask Sam Bradford.
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no, see, that’s where ur wrong. EVERYBODY would take bradford over russell. not even close. bradford has had some decent games and results.
i think debo actually is russell. you know how stephon marbury got caught up in blogging and kevin smith spends way too much time online talking to fans? think about it. what does russell have to do all day? he’s rich. unemployed. lazy. he’s probably sitting at home (lying down actually) and getting on this blog, trying to convince everyone it wasn’t his fault, while he sips syrup and eats.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
kk,
M. Beeechham is a bodily function obsessive, most likely from the heart of SF. Beeecham himself is slightly amusing.
Not sure why anyone would categorize them with you.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
East,so you don’t believe those older players had skill and athletic ability?You mention stickum.Now players wear gloves that are just as sticky as the stickum was.Players today still pull all kinds of crap in the trenches and under piles.It’s a different game for sure,but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is better.That is a matter of opinion.
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Of course they had athletic ability but not near the standards of today. and imo 70’s football was pansy football. Moss would easily burn goerge atkison and jack tatum deep but oh wait I forgot Moss is being held all the way down the field because the db knew he was toast from the gate now that is some sissy shict imo it took guys like primetime21 and darrell greene to show those old bums how you’re supposed to do it with pure speed and skill.case closed.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
debo is like an old senile grandpa who periodically yells out “goldwater for president!”. u just have to say “calm down grandpa. watch jeopardy.”.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
“Checkwa and DVD may not make it”
Lose em both search for other backups. They are playing more stupidly this year than last.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
JaFlubber still?… Why?…
August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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Agreed
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KK got it right
August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I believe the QB that really got screwed was Todd Marinovich.That kid had it all-laser arm,could hit a flies eye from 50 yds,great escapability,great field presence,and could read a D in a heartbeat.The organization did nothing to help him out.It was all Al Davis’s fault he didn’t pan out.Maybe if the team would have supplied him with methadone he would have made it.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
236.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Pryor is getting better, thats good to see.
Palmer needs to be a lil more careful
Burris starting is not a good ide.
We are a much better I-line w Wiz on the field.
Streeter n Criner are keepers.
MM 34 is legit, but not as legit as T Branch
Checkwa and DVD may not make it
Tiwan Jones looks much better than Goodson
We really need a TE
Punt n kick coverage looks bad
Return looks worse
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Streater & Criner at least one will be on all-rookie team;
Palmer we will know by bye week;
Burris will be solid linebacker, better than we expect;
34mm & Branch, completely agree;
Mr. Independence not only better than Gooson, better than many starters across the NFL;
Chekwa (many choice to be a starter/including me) is regressing, DVD no one knows; I expect at least one to be cut or traded;
only position worse than TE is our special teams coverage/ that was one of our best the last few seasons.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
yes completely agree Raiders OLine much better with Wizniewski playing/ LG or C.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Reggie should take a look at Kahlil Bell – RB just cut by the Bears. He is a better player than Miller and much more rugged and reliable than Goodsen or Jones. I see him as a cheaper version of Michael Bush. Dude could play an important role for us, partcularly if Jones gets hurt again or Goodsen can’t get rid of the fumbling problem.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
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KK got it right
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and you could never put 8 in the box against Moss which opens it up for the run game. Moss affected the game in so many ways unlike any wr.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Twocents Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Everytime someone mentions “yacability” the lyrics from “Personality” by Lloyd Price start running through my head. I know it’s an oldie but sing along.///////////////////////You talking about ‘yakkity yak, don’t talk back’?
August 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
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Maybe you shouldn’t make it so easy for them to pick on you?
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Oakglenn, I’ve tried to be nice to you, you cross-posting btch
48 yr Raider Diehard and you put me in the company of Missus Beecham? fk you, you cross-postingbtch
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Hilarious.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Pryor.. He’s a kid who deserves attention on the blog…. So far this kids is a hard working and progress driven project… I hope like hell he’s sucessful …
August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I believe the QB that really got screwed was Todd Marinovich.That kid had it all-laser arm,could hit a flies eye from 50 yds,great escapability,great field presence,and could read a D in a heartbeat.The organization did nothing to help him out.It was all Al Davis’s fault he didn’t pan out.Maybe if the team would have supplied him with methadone he would have made it.
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i really like marijuanavitch. did u see the documentary on him on espn? he basically was a drug addict and didn’t care. he admits it. and even he showed more than russell.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I’m expecting some surprise cuts and trades this week.
Brisiel, Cooper, or Nix to Tampa Bay, Pittsburg, or Seattle.
Goodson, L. Miller and/or DVD or Chekwa to Detoit or Miami.
Barksdale (if not one of the above guards)to New York (A).
August 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
When TO was last with the Eagles, the year they suspended him the remainder of the season, they had brought in former player Hugh Douglas to settle the locker room down.
At one point, things got so bad that the locker room was pretty divided.
Hugh Douglas confronted TO. He followed him into the shower to straighten him out.
It didnt last long. TO came out dragging an unconscious Hugh Douglas. Straight whooped the living crap out of him.
Then stood their butt a55 naked and asked the rest of the team if they wanted a piece of him.
Who knew TO could throw down like that?
The whole locker room was dead silent. Donovan McNabb at that point had no chance of getting the teams support back. Shortly after, TO was suspended. Hugh Douglas’ role as “locker room guy” was pretty much toast.
He may have been a Alpha Male, but he was no leader. His personality would dominate and polarize a locker room but once he got everyones attention, he couldnt do anything with it.
And despite being an Alpha, he had some feminine like chemical imbalances I think.
Anyways, I dont know how many people ever got to hear that story. It got kept under wraps pretty closely. Plus, I dont know how common incidents like that are in NFL locker rooms. I doubt they are uncommon, just not usually so severe.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
How many in here still rock the Moss jersey? Ok, think that clears it up.lol
August 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Debo,
We are all bored too.
What I think you should do is go to the deep south, hire a personal trainer and take charge of the personal and professional resurrection of JR.
Only then will your eyes be open.
And by the way Debo, you make some interesting comments except this JR affair.
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Glad you like some of my comments. But I guess you’ll have to take the what you see as the good ones with what you see as the bad. I’m convinced that if our organization had conducted itself even close to the way Baltimore’s has, JR chances of success go up exponentially. There were a lot of players that suffered here as a result of our shenanigans. Pisses me off to no end because you don’t get the opportunity to draft that high very often and there were so many naysayers that said it wouldn’t work:
“I think JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders scares me. I would have done the exact same thing Oakland did, to be sure. But the formula for early success is a bad one there. So much pressure on him to perform well early, with such a porous offensive line, and who knows what at wideout.”
– SI’s Peter King
August 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
ROFLMFAO-Tatum would have laid him out.You don’t give the players that played during the golden era enough credit.The Powells,Wells,Alworths,etc. of those days would still be great today.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Of course they had athletic ability but not near the standards of today. and imo 70’s football was pansy football. Moss would easily burn goerge atkison and jack tatum deep but oh wait I forgot Moss is being held all the way down the field because the db knew he was toast from the gate now that is some sissy shict imo it took guys like primetime21 and darrell greene to show those old bums how you’re supposed to do it with pure speed and skill.case closed.
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August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I got a kick out of the Marinovich ESPN article a few years ago, when he talked about some of his favorite times in football.
It was taking acid before warmups because “all the stadiums had awesome sound systems that would play killer music”.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
other causes debo still supports blindly:
cold war russia/communism
civil-war era south
the horse and buggy as transportation
compact discs
beta tapes and players
joe charboneau
shawn bradley
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
This hamstring crap is really pissin me off
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Intrepid, you’ll have to google “Personality” by Lloyd Price. It goes way back. These oldies have been fried into my brain by falling asleep to my clock radio as a youth.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I believe the QB that really got screwed was Todd Marinovich.That kid had it all-laser arm,could hit a flies eye from 50 yds,great escapability,great field presence,and could read a D in a heartbeat.The organization did nothing to help him out.It was all Al Davis’s fault he didn’t pan out.Maybe if the team would have supplied him with methadone he would have made it.
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i really like marijuanavitch. did u see the documentary on him on espn? he basically was a drug addict and didn’t care. he admits it. and even he showed more than russell.
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Marionovich had ALL the talent in the world. One of the most polished QB’s ever to come out of college. Could read a defense in his sleep. Fiery, tough, moxy.
But like you said, he was a lost cause. Drug addict from the start.
I wouldnt put that on Al Davis at all. There was no helping that kid. I put the Jamarcus Russel failure about 75% on Al but I wont blame Al for the Marinovich era.
Todd’s been over at my old place a few times. Very nice guy. Lots of inner demons. Could still fire a ball with ease. Would make a great coach. And had he ever wanted to, he could have came back and played in the NFL at a high level (no pun) at any time even into his 30s. He just didnt care too.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
how could tatum kill him if he’s 5 yards behind Moss lol.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I got a kick out of the Marinovich ESPN article a few years ago, when he talked about some of his favorite times in football.
It was taking acid before warmups because “all the stadiums had awesome sound systems that would play killer music”.
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Or how about the orgy fest he threw for all the players during training camp his rookie year.
Anyone got a link to the article?
August 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“what does russell have to do all day? he’s rich.”
Rob,
I doubt JR is rich. He grossed $38M but paid the IRS and his agent 45% of that money.
So now we are down to $19M. He sold a home in Oakland for a $2M loss last year and probably there were several more foreclosed upon in out-of-state locations. He also started up several business which subsequently failed.
His life style with big diamonds, fur coats, and “ho’s” who stole him blind for 5 yrs most likely depleted his asset base considerably. After buying homes for, and making nonrecoverable loans to his family and friends, I doubt whether he has over $5M remaining.
He was interviewed about 6 months ago by a sports journalist and he admitted he had squandered most of his fortune, and claimed once he is insolvent his friends and family will treat him no differently.
I predict that 5 years from now JR will be living in a trailer somewhere in the deep south.
5 yrs after that, he’ll be dead.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
there are olinemen and linbackers today that run faster 40 times than some of those old safties and DBs. I mean come on lefty I know your from the oldschool but facts are facts and those guys from back then were just too slow to cover anybody let alone a Randy Moss type.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
there are olinemen and linbackers today that run faster 40 times than some of those old safties and DBs. I mean come on lefty I know your from the oldschool but facts are facts and those guys from back then were just too slow to cover anybody let alone a Randy Moss type.
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And Ive already shown you that the QB’s back then never would have gotten the ball off to Moss. Or, they would have been hauled off on a stretcher by the 3rd attempt.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Blackandsilverside Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“what does russell have to do all day? he’s rich.”
Rob,
I doubt JR is rich. He grossed $38M but paid the IRS and his agent 45% of that money.
So now we are down to $19M. He sold a home in Oakland for a $2M loss last year and probably there were several more foreclosed upon in out-of-state locations. He also started up several business which subsequently failed.
His life style with big diamonds, fur coats, and “ho’s” who stole him blind for 5 yrs most likely depleted his asset base considerably. After buying homes for, and making nonrecoverable loans to his family and friends, I doubt whether he has over $5M remaining.
He was interviewed about 6 months ago by a sports journalist and he admitted he had squandered most of his fortune, and claimed once he is insolvent his friends and family will treat him no differently.
I predict that 5 years from now JR will be living in a trailer somewhere in the deep south.
5 yrs after that, he’ll be dead.
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actually jruss is fine financially I live in mobile al where jruss lives and from what I hear his family has made some smart investmenst with his money somebody said jet fuel amongst other things.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says: Lazy, fat and stupid. I’m bored again.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Riff-I was being facetious,making fun of anyone who claimed the same for the Bust.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Marinovich’s problems went much deeper than disorganization of the Raiders. AD, with Marinovich and JR, gave them every chance.
DMAC inherited the same totally dysfunctional team situation but survived to flourish.
Todd’s problem was that his ambition was not the ambition of his father. Todd was groomed by his father from age 3 to be a professional QB.
When life motives are misaligned internally, somehow, somewhere, the unconscious mind will cause a schism between it and the conscious mind, whether that be by drug use, complete rebellion, or accident, so that schism will be remedied.
If, one like Marinovich, is steered by the unwavering strength of will be his father, UCS, and Al Davis, not really wanting to be an NFL QB, his unconscious mind will rule, eventually.
In Todd’s place he simply became a drug addict which put him out of the bigs.
Who knows the underlying motivation in JR’s case.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RR
Reggie scouted Brisiel’s work of multiple YEARS and handed him a multi-year contract.
Why would he undo that based on some practices?
You guys figure we’ll sign a TE and O-lineman for depth during the final wave of cuts? Don’t think anyone’s impressed with Myers’ bobbles and lack of athleticism, and not sure Ausberry is starter material quite yet.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
here’s the proof russell sucked:
in his time here, josh mccown, daunte culpepper, andrew walter, bruce gradkowski, and charlie frye all outperformed him with the exact same receivers, o-line, and offensive scheme. actually that last part isn’t true. if u remember, they couldn’t run their entire offense with russell in b/c he fell asleep during meetings and couldn’t retain it. drugs do that to u.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Blackandsilver, getting heavy with it! Nice post.
“Above all things, be true to thyself.”
August 27th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Eastoaklandraider;
Now wait. You told me a few months back you were born and raised and still living in east Oakland, and you now claim to live in Mobile??
Maybe you are correct about JR’s finances, but I based my prediction on JR’s words from his interview.
Well, anyway it’s a matter of fact; we’ll have to see what happens.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Twocents Says:
Intrepid, you’ll have to google “Personality” by Lloyd Price. It goes way back. These oldies have been fried into my brain by falling asleep to my clock radio as a youth.//////////////////// Walk with personality, talk with personality. That one?
August 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I would like to see the D crunch Russell Wilson a few times, LB’s will have to be on point also.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
myers was a pretty good TE in college but he is only so-so at this level. he can run a decent route and get open sometimes. and he will catch what’s around him most of the time. but he will not get much after the catch. he’s a decent if unspectacular blocker. he’s basically a solid backup. ausberry is a WR in a TE’s body. meaning, he doesn’t block well. and probably never will. gordon is big and athletic. he was recruited to miami for a reason. he can beat lb’s in coverage easily, but has a reputation for having paddles for hands. he’s made some catches recently but it’s hard to think he could become a bigtime receiver. we are stuck for the moment with myers.
August 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
alex7 Says:
August 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Blackandsilver, getting heavy with it! Nice post.
“Above all things, be true to thyself.”
////////////////////////////// “You better not compromise yourself, baby. It’s all you got” Janis Joplin
August 27th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
new post
August 27th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
My list of best WR’s of all time
Tim Brown
Lance Alworth
Art Monk
Fred Bilentikoff
Rod Smith (yeah he was a Donkey but gotta give him props)
Lynn Swann