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Six key players missing practice

By Steve Corkran
Monday, August 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The new-look Raiders practiced in Alameda on Monday for the first time since breaking camp in Napa. They did so without the 12 players released earlier this morning, as well as the six key players that are injured.
As the media-access window expired — 30 minutes at the start of practice — defensive tackle Richard Seymour, center Stefen Wisniewski, tight end Richard Gordon, wide receivers Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore and linebacker Aaron Curry emerged from the locker room and walked toward the far end of the fields, where their teammates are going through their paces.
On the bright side, Ford was walking without the protective boot on the left foot he sprained against the Arizona Cardinals on Aug. 24.
Coach Dennis Allen said Sunday that he is hopeful that he will have Moore and Wisniewski for the regular-season opener Sept. 10. It remains to be seen whether Ford can recover in time for that game.
Seymour (knee) and Gordon (ribs) are expected to be ready in time for the game against the San Diego Chargers.
As for Curry, he remains on the physically unable to perform list. It seems logical that he will be left on the PUP list, which means he would be forced to miss at least the first six weeks.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski was spotted doing some light jogging early in practice. In a perfect world, that’s what he would have done while attempting to chase down kick returner Justin Miller in the game against the Detroit Lions on Saturday night.
Janikowski suffered a groin injury on the play and missed the rest of the game.
Backup quarterback Matt Leinart was going through drills today, so he appears good to go Thursday night against the Seattle Seahawks.
Given the Raiders waived quarterback Kyle Newhall-Caballero, it’s likely that Carson Palmer, Leinart and Terrelle Pryor will play some against the Seahawks.
The Raiders will practice for another hour or so. After that, we will speak with Allen and Palmer, as well as the rest of the players.

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  • eastoaklandraider

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Randy Moss is the GOAT becuz he is the only Wr ever to Command safety help over the top every play. In his prime Moss was fast had the best body control and could make adjustments on a ball in flight better than any Wr. He wasn’t the best at going over the middle but he was the best deep threat ever and always was given a ten yd cushion. Randy even had a phrase coined after him “He got Mossed”
    ———————–
    Agreed
    ___________________

    KK got it right
    ____________________

    and you could never put 8 in the box against Moss which opens it up for the run game. Moss affected the game in so many ways unlike any wr.

  • Intrepid

    Twocents Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Everytime someone mentions “yacability” the lyrics from “Personality” by Lloyd Price start running through my head. I know it’s an oldie but sing along.///////////////////////You talking about ‘yakkity yak, don’t talk back’?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    KoolKell Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    KoolKell Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    RaiderRob Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Have Jamista Clown, Mistress Biachi, and KK been cut from the blog yet?
    —————————
    Maybe you shouldn’t make it so easy for them to pick on you?
    ————————
    Oakglenn, I’ve tried to be nice to you, you cross-posting btch
    48 yr Raider Diehard and you put me in the company of Missus Beecham? fk you, you cross-postingbtch
    ===============================================

    Hilarious.

  • fingers

    Pryor.. He’s a kid who deserves attention on the blog…. So far this kids is a hard working and progress driven project… I hope like hell he’s sucessful …

  • rob_raider

    Lefty12 Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    I believe the QB that really got screwed was Todd Marinovich.That kid had it all-laser arm,could hit a flies eye from 50 yds,great escapability,great field presence,and could read a D in a heartbeat.The organization did nothing to help him out.It was all Al Davis’s fault he didn’t pan out.Maybe if the team would have supplied him with methadone he would have made it.
    *****************
    i really like marijuanavitch. did u see the documentary on him on espn? he basically was a drug addict and didn’t care. he admits it. and even he showed more than russell.

  • RaiderRetribution

    I’m expecting some surprise cuts and trades this week.

    Brisiel, Cooper, or Nix to Tampa Bay, Pittsburg, or Seattle.

    Goodson, L. Miller and/or DVD or Chekwa to Detoit or Miami.

    Barksdale (if not one of the above guards)to New York (A).

  • Raider Riff

    When TO was last with the Eagles, the year they suspended him the remainder of the season, they had brought in former player Hugh Douglas to settle the locker room down.

    At one point, things got so bad that the locker room was pretty divided.

    Hugh Douglas confronted TO. He followed him into the shower to straighten him out.

    It didnt last long. TO came out dragging an unconscious Hugh Douglas. Straight whooped the living crap out of him.

    Then stood their butt a55 naked and asked the rest of the team if they wanted a piece of him.

    Who knew TO could throw down like that?

    The whole locker room was dead silent. Donovan McNabb at that point had no chance of getting the teams support back. Shortly after, TO was suspended. Hugh Douglas’ role as “locker room guy” was pretty much toast.

    He may have been a Alpha Male, but he was no leader. His personality would dominate and polarize a locker room but once he got everyones attention, he couldnt do anything with it.

    And despite being an Alpha, he had some feminine like chemical imbalances I think.

    Anyways, I dont know how many people ever got to hear that story. It got kept under wraps pretty closely. Plus, I dont know how common incidents like that are in NFL locker rooms. I doubt they are uncommon, just not usually so severe.

  • TxRaider210

    How many in here still rock the Moss jersey? Ok, think that clears it up.lol

  • RaiderDebo

    blackandsilverside Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    Debo,

    We are all bored too.

    What I think you should do is go to the deep south, hire a personal trainer and take charge of the personal and professional resurrection of JR.

    Only then will your eyes be open.

    And by the way Debo, you make some interesting comments except this JR affair.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Glad you like some of my comments. But I guess you’ll have to take the what you see as the good ones with what you see as the bad. I’m convinced that if our organization had conducted itself even close to the way Baltimore’s has, JR chances of success go up exponentially. There were a lot of players that suffered here as a result of our shenanigans. Pisses me off to no end because you don’t get the opportunity to draft that high very often and there were so many naysayers that said it wouldn’t work:

    “I think JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders scares me. I would have done the exact same thing Oakland did, to be sure. But the formula for early success is a bad one there. So much pressure on him to perform well early, with such a porous offensive line, and who knows what at wideout.”
    – SI’s Peter King

  • lefty12

    ROFLMFAO-Tatum would have laid him out.You don’t give the players that played during the golden era enough credit.The Powells,Wells,Alworths,etc. of those days would still be great today.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Of course they had athletic ability but not near the standards of today. and imo 70’s football was pansy football. Moss would easily burn goerge atkison and jack tatum deep but oh wait I forgot Moss is being held all the way down the field because the db knew he was toast from the gate now that is some sissy shict imo it took guys like primetime21 and darrell greene to show those old bums how you’re supposed to do it with pure speed and skill.case closed.
    ______________________

    No rebuttal?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I got a kick out of the Marinovich ESPN article a few years ago, when he talked about some of his favorite times in football.

    It was taking acid before warmups because “all the stadiums had awesome sound systems that would play killer music”.

  • rob_raider

    other causes debo still supports blindly:

    cold war russia/communism
    civil-war era south
    the horse and buggy as transportation
    compact discs
    beta tapes and players
    joe charboneau
    shawn bradley

  • burn_209

    This hamstring crap is really pissin me off

  • Twocents

    Intrepid, you’ll have to google “Personality” by Lloyd Price. It goes way back. These oldies have been fried into my brain by falling asleep to my clock radio as a youth.

  • Raider Riff

    Rob_raider Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    Lefty12 Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    I believe the QB that really got screwed was Todd Marinovich.That kid had it all-laser arm,could hit a flies eye from 50 yds,great escapability,great field presence,and could read a D in a heartbeat.The organization did nothing to help him out.It was all Al Davis’s fault he didn’t pan out.Maybe if the team would have supplied him with methadone he would have made it.
    *****************
    i really like marijuanavitch. did u see the documentary on him on espn? he basically was a drug addict and didn’t care. he admits it. and even he showed more than russell.

    ———–

    Marionovich had ALL the talent in the world. One of the most polished QB’s ever to come out of college. Could read a defense in his sleep. Fiery, tough, moxy.

    But like you said, he was a lost cause. Drug addict from the start.

    I wouldnt put that on Al Davis at all. There was no helping that kid. I put the Jamarcus Russel failure about 75% on Al but I wont blame Al for the Marinovich era.

    Todd’s been over at my old place a few times. Very nice guy. Lots of inner demons. Could still fire a ball with ease. Would make a great coach. And had he ever wanted to, he could have came back and played in the NFL at a high level (no pun) at any time even into his 30s. He just didnt care too.

  • eastoaklandraider

    how could tatum kill him if he’s 5 yards behind Moss lol.

  • Raider Riff

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    I got a kick out of the Marinovich ESPN article a few years ago, when he talked about some of his favorite times in football.

    It was taking acid before warmups because “all the stadiums had awesome sound systems that would play killer music”.

    ———

    Or how about the orgy fest he threw for all the players during training camp his rookie year.

    Anyone got a link to the article?

  • blackandsilverside

    rob_raider Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “what does russell have to do all day? he’s rich.”

    Rob,

    I doubt JR is rich. He grossed $38M but paid the IRS and his agent 45% of that money.

    So now we are down to $19M. He sold a home in Oakland for a $2M loss last year and probably there were several more foreclosed upon in out-of-state locations. He also started up several business which subsequently failed.

    His life style with big diamonds, fur coats, and “ho’s” who stole him blind for 5 yrs most likely depleted his asset base considerably. After buying homes for, and making nonrecoverable loans to his family and friends, I doubt whether he has over $5M remaining.

    He was interviewed about 6 months ago by a sports journalist and he admitted he had squandered most of his fortune, and claimed once he is insolvent his friends and family will treat him no differently.

    I predict that 5 years from now JR will be living in a trailer somewhere in the deep south.

    5 yrs after that, he’ll be dead.

  • eastoaklandraider

    there are olinemen and linbackers today that run faster 40 times than some of those old safties and DBs. I mean come on lefty I know your from the oldschool but facts are facts and those guys from back then were just too slow to cover anybody let alone a Randy Moss type.

  • Raider Riff

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    there are olinemen and linbackers today that run faster 40 times than some of those old safties and DBs. I mean come on lefty I know your from the oldschool but facts are facts and those guys from back then were just too slow to cover anybody let alone a Randy Moss type.

    ——-

    And Ive already shown you that the QB’s back then never would have gotten the ball off to Moss. Or, they would have been hauled off on a stretcher by the 3rd attempt.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Blackandsilverside Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    rob_raider Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “what does russell have to do all day? he’s rich.”

    Rob,

    I doubt JR is rich. He grossed $38M but paid the IRS and his agent 45% of that money.

    So now we are down to $19M. He sold a home in Oakland for a $2M loss last year and probably there were several more foreclosed upon in out-of-state locations. He also started up several business which subsequently failed.

    His life style with big diamonds, fur coats, and “ho’s” who stole him blind for 5 yrs most likely depleted his asset base considerably. After buying homes for, and making nonrecoverable loans to his family and friends, I doubt whether he has over $5M remaining.

    He was interviewed about 6 months ago by a sports journalist and he admitted he had squandered most of his fortune, and claimed once he is insolvent his friends and family will treat him no differently.

    I predict that 5 years from now JR will be living in a trailer somewhere in the deep south.

    5 yrs after that, he’ll be dead.
    _____________________

    actually jruss is fine financially I live in mobile al where jruss lives and from what I hear his family has made some smart investmenst with his money somebody said jet fuel amongst other things.

  • Intrepid

    RaiderDebo Says: Lazy, fat and stupid. I’m bored again.

  • lefty12

    Riff-I was being facetious,making fun of anyone who claimed the same for the Bust.

  • blackandsilverside

    Marinovich’s problems went much deeper than disorganization of the Raiders. AD, with Marinovich and JR, gave them every chance.

    DMAC inherited the same totally dysfunctional team situation but survived to flourish.

    Todd’s problem was that his ambition was not the ambition of his father. Todd was groomed by his father from age 3 to be a professional QB.

    When life motives are misaligned internally, somehow, somewhere, the unconscious mind will cause a schism between it and the conscious mind, whether that be by drug use, complete rebellion, or accident, so that schism will be remedied.

    If, one like Marinovich, is steered by the unwavering strength of will be his father, UCS, and Al Davis, not really wanting to be an NFL QB, his unconscious mind will rule, eventually.

    In Todd’s place he simply became a drug addict which put him out of the bigs.

    Who knows the underlying motivation in JR’s case.

  • alex7

    RR

    Reggie scouted Brisiel’s work of multiple YEARS and handed him a multi-year contract.

    Why would he undo that based on some practices?

    You guys figure we’ll sign a TE and O-lineman for depth during the final wave of cuts? Don’t think anyone’s impressed with Myers’ bobbles and lack of athleticism, and not sure Ausberry is starter material quite yet.

  • rob_raider

    here’s the proof russell sucked:
    in his time here, josh mccown, daunte culpepper, andrew walter, bruce gradkowski, and charlie frye all outperformed him with the exact same receivers, o-line, and offensive scheme. actually that last part isn’t true. if u remember, they couldn’t run their entire offense with russell in b/c he fell asleep during meetings and couldn’t retain it. drugs do that to u.

  • alex7

    Blackandsilver, getting heavy with it! Nice post.

    “Above all things, be true to thyself.”

  • blackandsilverside

    Eastoaklandraider;

    Now wait. You told me a few months back you were born and raised and still living in east Oakland, and you now claim to live in Mobile??

    Maybe you are correct about JR’s finances, but I based my prediction on JR’s words from his interview.

    Well, anyway it’s a matter of fact; we’ll have to see what happens.

  • Intrepid

    Twocents Says:
    Intrepid, you’ll have to google “Personality” by Lloyd Price. It goes way back. These oldies have been fried into my brain by falling asleep to my clock radio as a youth.//////////////////// Walk with personality, talk with personality. That one?

  • TxRaider210

    I would like to see the D crunch Russell Wilson a few times, LB’s will have to be on point also.

  • rob_raider

    myers was a pretty good TE in college but he is only so-so at this level. he can run a decent route and get open sometimes. and he will catch what’s around him most of the time. but he will not get much after the catch. he’s a decent if unspectacular blocker. he’s basically a solid backup. ausberry is a WR in a TE’s body. meaning, he doesn’t block well. and probably never will. gordon is big and athletic. he was recruited to miami for a reason. he can beat lb’s in coverage easily, but has a reputation for having paddles for hands. he’s made some catches recently but it’s hard to think he could become a bigtime receiver. we are stuck for the moment with myers.

  • Intrepid

    alex7 Says:
    August 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Blackandsilver, getting heavy with it! Nice post.

    “Above all things, be true to thyself.”
    ////////////////////////////// “You better not compromise yourself, baby. It’s all you got” Janis Joplin

  • rob_raider

    new post

  • downsouthraider

    My list of best WR’s of all time
    Tim Brown
    Lance Alworth
    Art Monk
    Fred Bilentikoff
    Rod Smith (yeah he was a Donkey but gotta give him props)
    Lynn Swann