Report: Raiders sign young cornerback
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders claimed cornerback Coye Francies off waivers, less than a day after he was waived by the Seattle Seahawks. Francies is listed as being a member of the Raiders on NFL.com, though the Raiders have yet to announce the transaction.
Francies, 25, appeared in eight games for the Cleveland Browns in 2009 and 2010. He finished the 2011 season on the Seahawks practice squad. The Seahawks waived Francies as part of their getting down to the league-mandated 75 players Monday.
Francies, 6-foot and 185 pounds, played at San Jose State. He is expected to compete for a backup spot and playing time on special teams.
He doesn’t have long to make a favorable impression. The Raiders are off Wednesday and play the Seahawks in their exhibition finale Thursday night.
Final roster cuts are Friday.
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August 29th, 2012 at 1:14 am
first? hahaha
August 29th, 2012 at 1:58 am
wow all night and only 1 post
August 29th, 2012 at 1:59 am
So much for Walter mcfadden…
August 29th, 2012 at 2:02 am
Yeah, that ship has definitely sailed. Strange that we didn’t add another TE…
August 29th, 2012 at 3:40 am
Just a sign of how poor our “young” cornerbacks have played.
August 29th, 2012 at 4:01 am
in all likelihood, Coye Francies will be a Raider for about 3 days.
Maybe he can get some autographs from Raider legends while he’s in town?
August 29th, 2012 at 4:05 am
2009 NFL Draft
Francies entered the combine a projected second- or third-round pick according to NFL scouts, but after slow 40-yard dash times he was projected to slide to the fourth or fifth round
he ran a 4.63 forty at the NFL Combine
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the ghost of Al Davis is furious right now!
August 29th, 2012 at 4:11 am
at the end of the day, I still think that these are the six corners who crack the 53 man roster for Oakland:
Bartell
Spencer
Chekwa
Van Dyke
Lee
McCann
McCann & Lee mainly due to special teams ability. Reggie is still trying to DEVELOP the 2 CB’s drafted by Al Davis last year
August 29th, 2012 at 4:30 am
So who have we cut to make room for this dude and Parrish?
August 29th, 2012 at 4:30 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jroy7fHIMaI
August 29th, 2012 at 4:39 am
Hurd was cut for Parrish, Conroy black for Francies.
August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Man, no practice reps and one preseason game doesn’t seem to give the kid ANY chance to make the team.
I wonder if they want to bring him in, with the intent to coach him up a little before they cut him, just in case they need to bring him back at some time during the year.
August 29th, 2012 at 4:57 am
Francies? Not such the excitement Klas was looking for. Coooooooley!
August 29th, 2012 at 4:59 am
Anyone watch American sh*t fest last night (Republican Convention)?
August 29th, 2012 at 5:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Man, no practice reps and one preseason game doesn’t seem to give the kid ANY chance to make the team.
I wonder if they want to bring him in, with the intent to coach him up a little before they cut him, just in case they need to bring him back at some time during the year.
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I think above all, The Gut and The Visor LOVE pressuring their players. They LOVE creating competition and reminding guys that their are no scholarships in the NFL anymore.
Do I think Ford will be traded? No freakin way. But do I think they want to send him and Moore a message? Yes. Start taking better care of yourselves. We aint waiting for anyone. The Raider train is moving along whether youre healthy or not, you better get on board.
I dont think this philosophy will ever change as long as the current regime is in place.
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
We have the most colorful and best administration in sports right now. I hope we can keep ‘em together for the next decade.
Name one other front office where everyone has a nickname?
August 29th, 2012 at 5:10 am
Sure wish we had that Sterling Moore dude.
August 29th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Nice morning.
I won the best draft award in Dells WF FF league.
Not bad for picking 11th
August 29th, 2012 at 5:35 am
I took a lot of heat for that draft. I screwed up twice and panicked/screwedup once. The panic produced Nate Burleson.
August 29th, 2012 at 5:42 am
But my screw ups and panic had some thought to it. Megatron is on the cover of Madden. He will be lucky to play 6 games this year so Nate will step up.
And michael Bush will score more TDs then Forte in a league that pays 25 points per ten yards instead of the usual 10 points.
Gonna be hard for RBs to amass FF points this year
August 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
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Ok, I’m lost. Except for Visor and Mad Scientist and maybe the Hair. Please explain.
August 29th, 2012 at 5:54 am
guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
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Ok, I’m lost. Except for Visor and Mad Scientist and maybe the Hair. Please explain.
Mark Davis
Amy Trask
Reggie
Reggie’s Twin
Dennis Allen
Tarver
August 29th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
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Ok, I’m lost. Except for Visor and Mad Scientist and maybe the Hair. Please explain.
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The Hair = Mark Davis
The Princess of Darkness = Amy Trask
The Gut = Reggie
The Gut’s Decoy = Reggie’s brother
The Visor = Dennis Allen
& the Mad Scientist = Jason Tarver
August 29th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Amy is the princess
the gut is reggie but he has better nicknames
I dunno who his decoy is
August 29th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Why do tehy pick up a CB who now must make a strong impression on Thursday in Seattle, where he came from…???
August 29th, 2012 at 5:55 am
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
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Ok, I’m lost. Except for Visor and Mad Scientist and maybe the Hair. Please explain.
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Really G123?
Mark
Amy
Reggie
Raleigh
Dennis
Jason
August 29th, 2012 at 5:55 am
We have the most colorful and best administration in sports right now. I hope we can keep ‘em together for the next decade.
Name one other front office where everyone has a nickname?
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Newcastle utd.Their nickname is black and white geordie scum.
August 29th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 4:59 am
Anyone watch American sh*t fest last night (Republican Convention)?
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Klas
What’s even funnier is most Americans are dumb enough to believe in the two party system! bwahahahaha!
August 29th, 2012 at 5:57 am
Good morning Hwnrdr!
I guess they figure Conroy Black has no chance to make the 53 so why not see what this former 2nd round talent can do in man coverage and maybe ST’s as well.
August 29th, 2012 at 5:57 am
Good morning Hwnrdr
Hopefully the kid comes out and at least tackles better than DVD.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:03 am
Thanks for explaining. I am just not that into psuedonames is all. You all speak in different tongues. That’s cool, I’ll just learn it on the fly.
Good morning all.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:04 am
I think I used to be known as “the gut”, but I’m working my butt off to be known as the “the six pack”. I’m getting there day by day. Not gonna let up one single day.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:05 am
CW, Tx, yeah I guess! Every man deserves a shot!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
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Ok, I’m lost. Except for Visor and Mad Scientist and maybe the Hair. Please explain.
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Mark Davis has the worst hair in pro sports. But he seems like a damn cool owner. Im not happy Al is gone, but Im happy he replaced Al.
Amy Trask is known by two nicknames in NFL GM circles, “The Pitbull” and the “Princess of Darkness”. You know which one I like more.
Reggie will always be “The Gut” to me.
Every good dictator needs a decoy. Insert Raleigh.
Dennis Allen is “The Visor”. It’s his staple.
And the players have already coined Tarver as “The Mad Scientist”. For his college degree and his creative blitz schemes.
Like I said, Ive never been so happy in my lifetime about our org’s staff except for in the Gruden era where we had Al, Amy, Bruce Allen, Herrera chocking out Kawaksaiakskami, and Chucky. Im inclined to believe that our current cast of characters is better. The proof will be in the pudding though.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:06 am
the Mad Scientist…….
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Thought that was Al Saunders.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Two signings already and it’s only the first cut of players. That bodes for some major activity after the 53 man cut. Parish and Francies could be playing a few days as camp bodies for the 4th game and then tossed aside for better talents off the wire. I hope Reggie’s on the phone discussing late round deals to get ahead of the waivers process. We won’t be the only busy teams.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:09 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:05 am
CW, Tx, yeah I guess! Every man deserves a shot!
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All we can hope is he gets a pick 6 on his old team, I can’t stand Pete Carroll.lol
August 29th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Every good dictator needs a decoy. Insert Raleigh.
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I get it. Like Saddam Hussien. Wonder does Reggie sleeps in the same house every night? Or does he have Raleigh taste his food for him? hmmmmm.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:11 am
The proof will be in the pudding…..
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and who’s the pudding? Janikowski’ already has a nicknane.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:11 am
nickname.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Tarver earned the “mad scientist” nickname for all his exotic blitz packages and his undergraduate degree in biochemistry I believe.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:13 am
neilb Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:11 am
The proof will be in the pudding…..
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and who’s the pudding? Janikowski’ already has a nicknane.
LOL, what’s up Neil? Good one!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:15 am
So who was the corrosponding roster move for this guy?
August 29th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Morning Hwnrdr!
I’m fine – a few days off.And you?
August 29th, 2012 at 6:18 am
11.Carl Weathers Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 4:39 am
Hurd was cut for Parrish, Conroy black for Francies.
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Just checked nothing on Raiders.com yet.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:19 am
1:13 am good jog Steve didnbknoe I stayed up so late
August 29th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Every good dictator needs a decoy. Insert Raleigh.
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I get it. Like Saddam Hussien. Wonder does Reggie sleeps in the same house every night? Or does he have Raleigh taste his food for him? hmmmmm.
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Cork should get on that one and find out for us.
I love when the cameras try to zero in on Reggie in the box. And they get confused and cant figure out who is who.
Gotta keep those fvckers at the network on their toes.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:21 am
I agree never have we had such good coached exepext special teams wats going on there
August 29th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Anybody besides me get super excited watching Tarvers interviews. That kid has an infectious personality, bet he gets an HC gig in 2-3 years
August 29th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Raider Till I Die Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:21 am
I agree never have we had such good coached exepext special teams wats going on there
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I dunno. I liked Fassel. I’d sure love to know the rationale behind replacing him.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:28 am
David Hoffman, our special teams coach, is on bath salts.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:34 am
neilb Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Morning Hwnrdr!
I’m fine – a few days off.And you?
I’ll have 2 weeks off after the Pitt game next month!
I guess that is when I will be relaxed and carefree! Going home!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Dear Raiders, Please kick the tires on Chris Cooley!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Chris Cooley!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:37 am
our weakest position surely is CB’s but I hardly think a 6th round cast off will be the answer…
Coope, I agree, at least take a look on Cooley..
August 29th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Seriously….Cooley…we need more competition at TE!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Anybody besides me get super excited watching Tarvers interviews. That kid has an infectious personality, bet he gets an HC gig in 2-3 years
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I love the attitude. But he’s young and bound to make some mistakes and expect a learning curve. This is his first rodeo so-to-speak. I’d put that talk of HC gig on ice for awhile till he earns his stripes. Which he will eventually.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Thank you sir…would like to see some buzz surrounding the idea!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:39 am
44.neilb Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:18 am
11.Carl Weathers Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 4:39 am
Hurd was cut for Parrish, Conroy black for Francies.
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Just checked nothing on Raiders.com yet.
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I did a google search for Francies and saw that Black was cut to make room for him.
The Raider site shows Curry is on the PUP:
The Oakland Raiders unofficial depth chart as of August 27, 2012.
Active/Physically Unable to Perform: 51 Aaron Curry (LB)
August 29th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Cooley is not half the TE he used to be. Has a great attitude and would be a fan favorite if he came. But he’s been overpaid for some time now and is broken down and his next contract will be a fraction of what he was making. You’d have to ask what is his motivation to earn a vet minimum paycheck and his body hurting more than ever with every hit. It’s like Allen said, there is only so many hits in each player.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:42 am
54.La Milicia Negra Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:37 am
our weakest position surely is CB’s but I hardly think a 6th round cast off will be the answer…
Coope, I agree, at least take a look on Cooley..
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Francies was a 2nd round prospect in ‘09 that had off off field and anger issues. Could be a better prospect than Chekwa or DVD, who knows.
I would like to see Reggie bring in Cooley for tomorrows game. See if he still has the great hands and some tread left on those tires.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Will this new cb be around long enuff to learn how to pronounce his name?
Is it Coy-ee or Coy?
..and Fran-ses or Fran-cees
August 29th, 2012 at 6:45 am
Chris Cooley and his short shorts:
http://fritzmartin.com/wp-content/files_mf/cooley1.jpg
August 29th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Sign Cooley because his wife is hot:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii205/on205th/christyoglevee.jpg
August 29th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Not saying we need to give him a contract…just need to see where he’s at health-wise and how he fits into our group dynamic. The guy is an accomplished veteran TE and we need that around to help develop our younger prospects and I would say his production is still superior to our alternatives. Sign him for a 1.5 million one year contract if he looks good in workout and passes physical. From what I understand he’s a good character guy who has to have a chip on his shoulder after getting cut.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Sign Cooley because his wife is hot:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii205/on205th/christyoglevee.jpg
And so was his ex…
August 29th, 2012 at 6:49 am
And apparently some eye-candy of a wide on gameday!!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Tomorrow, is Leinhart playing or did they give him the time to heal? Is it the TP show from the 2nd qtr on?
August 29th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I’d prefer that our rejects were being picked up by other teams, rather than us picking up theirs.
Doesn’t speak well for our depth.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:54 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I’d prefer that our rejects were being picked up by other teams, rather than us picking up theirs.
Doesn’t speak well for our depth.
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Yeah, well that is Al’s fault. Reggie still cleaning up the mess.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:54 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I’d prefer that our rejects were being picked up by other teams, rather than us picking up theirs.
Doesn’t speak well for our depth.
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Rams signed Brodine, if that says much.lol
August 29th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Everyone was crying about how Bartell/Spencer were going to suck, now it’s depth. geez
August 29th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Hwnrdr,
I think it’s gonna be the Pryor show.
Palmer I guess will play the 1st quarter?
Alot of teams are totally resting their starting QB’s.
Hopefully Palmer doesn’t throw an int and cause even more alarm.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Anyone read ESPN The Magazine with Megatron on the cover?
They have us going 4-12, and going 0-5 till we finally win one at home vs Jacksonville!
Oh yeah, and the Chargers at 13-3 and Denver at 12-4
August 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
That’s true Johnny! It will go crazy in here!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Anyone read ESPN The Magazine with Megatron on the cover?
They have us going 4-12, and going 0-5 till we finally win one at home vs Jacksonville!
Oh yeah, and the Chargers at 13-3 and Denver at 12-4
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ESPN seems to be ran by politicians, only way their BS would make any sense.lol
August 29th, 2012 at 6:58 am
I love the attitude. But he’s young and bound to make some mistakes and expect a learning curve. This is his first rodeo so-to-speak. I’d put that talk of HC gig on ice for awhile till he earns his stripes. Which he will eventually.
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No it isn’t. He was the DC in stanford last year, and prior to that he was a positions coach with the 49ers for a number of years! Dennis Allen was a positions coach before becoming a DC for 1 year last year with Denver before getting his gig. Trust me, when Tarver turns this historically bad defense into a middle of the pack or better unit withOUT the benefit of draft picks or cap money, he is going to get some HC offers. IF he gets this defense into the top 10, he will get HC offers NEXT YEAR.
August 29th, 2012 at 6:58 am
They say that because we got rid of Routt, and we lost Bush. Dmac will last 4 games I believe…blah blah blah!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 6:59 am
I’m not sure a team dropping a guy because they don’t like his 4 million dollar contract and they have a younger/cheaper option makes a player a reject. One man’s junk is another man’s treasure. Go check out Cooley’s stats.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Bcz, truth! I hope he stays though but cannot blame anyone for a pay raise these days! If he leaves, bring on David Shaw!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:00 am
I think CP3 will play 2 or 3 series tomorrow (depending on the # of plays he runs) Leinart will finish the 1st half, and Pryor will run the whole 2nd half. Seattle has absolutely decimated people so far this preseason. Id like to see us at least compete for the W…
August 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Tomorrow will be the first time I see Seattle play….I know last week they dropped 44 points on their opponent! WOW!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:58 am
They say that because we got rid of Routt, and we lost Bush. Dmac will last 4 games I believe…blah blah blah!!!
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Too funny, especially since Bartell and Spencer are both playing better than Routt, can’t wait until Raider’s playoff run this year, it’s going down!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Cooley would be a very strong signing. Pay him vet min, with incentives for PT and production that could add say another 1.5 mill and I think he will take it. We are 1 of the few places where Cooley could still get a starting gig. I think he would really help Palmer in getting better in this system too.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 am
If SD goes 13-3 and the Mules go 12-4, I guess that would make the AFC West one of the strongest divisions in the NFL.
I’d predict 10 wins takes the division. Never mind 12-4 finishing 2nd.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 6:58 am
They say that because we got rid of Routt, and we lost Bush. Dmac will last 4 games I believe…blah blah blah!!!
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Too funny, especially since Bartell and Spencer are both playing better than Routt, can’t wait until Raider’s playoff run this year, it’s going down!
I know right?
August 29th, 2012 at 7:04 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 am
If SD goes 13-3 and the Mules go 12-4, I guess that would make the AFC West one of the strongest divisions in the NFL.
I’d predict 10 wins takes the division. Never mind 12-4 finishing 2nd.
Sorry, I forgot…and they got The Mules winning the AFC, only to lose to GB!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:05 am
I’m not going to attempt to knock Tarver. I hope he turns out to be all you claim him to be. I hope he turns this defense into a top 10 as well. But he took a last place defense into a late middle of the pack defense, and he did it with 3 studs on defense who were recovering (some of which) from injuries the year prior. We don’t have the standout defensive studs that Denver has. If Tarver can take this defense to top 20 status this year, then color me impressed.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Hey, it is totally understandable that we are predicted to be a sub-500 team. Our starting offense has been pretty bad thus far, combined with our schedule… I said it yesterday, I think we will be a better team than last year, but we will have a worse record. Just preparing myself for that.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2811/chris-cooley
August 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I looked at NFL.Com. They have us at 3rd overall on D, 4th aginst the Run, 5th against the pass. I know its preseason guys but, have we ever been that high up?
August 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I think it’s wishful thinking to squeeze any more production out of Cooley. I doubt he’d even pass the physical. He’s had his share of hits and there’s a reason he was cut outright and I don’t think it was just the money. There are going to be better rent-a-TE’s available after the 53 man cutdown day. Just be patient.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Don’t trust preseason stats. They lie.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:08 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Tomorrow will be the first time I see Seattle play….I know last week they dropped 44 points on their opponent! WOW!
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Yeah, and that opponent was KC.
Anybody know if and how often Routt got toasted in that game?
I saw a little bit of the replay of that game and one of maybe 3 plays I saw was Routt getting all excited about covering a play and the pass going incomplete. Even tho the annrs…KC anncrs mind u, said it should’ve been a penalty on him.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:09 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I looked at NFL.Com. They have us at 3rd overall on D, 4th aginst the Run, 5th against the pass. I know its preseason guys but, have we ever been that high up?
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Regardless of the game tomorrow, the D will play well this year, 10-6 and we take the division!!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:12 am
guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Don’t trust preseason stats. They lie.
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Well NFLN was making a big deal about Palmer leading the league in int’s for the preseason..and replayed EVERY int. he threw last yr. Even the ones he threw against KC in that 1st game when he was totally thrown in there in a rushed panic move and not ready at all.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:12 am
For what it’s worth, just heard on Sirius a clip of Cooleys presser yesterday. He says he’s gonna take some time to decide where he goes next but feels he can still start and is healthy.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:13 am
cooley = boss zmill, a concussion away from retirement.
cooley < Oscar, Auz, and Flash
August 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am
I know the national media provides updates on player and they all write, “Carson Palmer struggling”. Talking a lot about his 2 picks and no TD’s. One of which was bad luck ball bouncing off his receiver and the other was an uncalled holding of Taiwan Jones.
The National Media is clueless and only reads boxscores to support their trite little blurbs.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:16 am
ESPN picks us to be 4-12?
Makes it that much more fun when we prove ‘em wrong….I hope.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:16 am
If SD goes 13-3
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this only happens in a dream sequence.
The disc oline is the worst in the AFC west and in the running for worst ion the NFL.
They did not suit rivers last game becase they wanted to keep him alive for the 10th.
Go back and look at the last preseason game. whitehouse was getting killed.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
The National Media is clueless and only reads boxscores to support their trite little blurbs.
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True. We get better analysis from Jerry, Steve, and the semi-pros than anyone on ESPN or NFL Network.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Why do you guys torcher yourselves by watching and reading BSPN? Or any other mind warpping sports crap!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
91.guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I think it’s wishful thinking to squeeze any more production out of Cooley. I doubt he’d even pass the physical. He’s had his share of hits and there’s a reason he was cut outright and I don’t think it was just the money. There are going to be better rent-a-TE’s available after the 53 man cutdown day. Just be patient.
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Every training camp tour that went to Washington said Cooley is healthy and in great shape. Your oppinion is just wrong. He was cut for no other reason than his 4 million salary when they had decided Fred Davis was starting. In fact, most people believe he will resign with Washington before week 1 on a less expensive deal.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Torcher???? Torture*^
August 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Well we need a tight end badly. Can’t imagine going into the season with those 3. If we don’t get better play from our tight ends, look for more 5 yard throws on 3rd and 8 in the flat hoping our WR’s can make the sticks. The TE’s don’t deserve much attention from the LB’s so they don’t get any.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:18 am
ESPN picks us to be 4-12?
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Those guys know very little about the Raids.
to busy suckling the jest, and cheats.
Semi’s > any analyst group….
August 29th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Your oppinion is just wrong.
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lol
well good day to you sir!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Shiancoe probably wont make the final 53 in NE either, he should be available.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Shiancoe probably wont make the final 53 in NE either, he should be available.
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He got a $400K signing bonus. I don’t think he was just a camp body. You don’t commit that kind of dough for 4 weeks of work.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Well, the Jets are the only team without an offensive TD, if none at all! TP had three in one half…that is what makes me laugh…
And Thec, you’re right. SD’s line is as attrociaous as ours was back in 2006!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Shiancoe probably wont make the final 53 in NE either
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He would not be a bad idea.
I mentioned him before the cheats got to him.
Reg seems to like guys with NFL experience.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am
I am concerned when I look at our schedule. To me..it looks brutal.
SD to start and then Miami (always tuff for us for some reason and no gimme at all) then Pittsburgh?
We are gonna have to be really good to go 11-5 or 10-6.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Raiders > Jets, it’s not even close.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Hwnrdr, whats good Brother???
August 29th, 2012 at 7:24 am
I’ve been pining for Schiancoe all off-season. He was available for less than $2M for a short while after Reggie cleared a ton of cap space with Branch’s contract. But Reggie I guess didn’t really want him. His call.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Schemes will make a huge difference on Defense.
Last year the NYJ blocked us from interviewing Dennis Thurman, a Hue Jackson buddy, for the DC job and we ended up handing it to the fallback option Chuck B, who had been out of the NFL for 3 years, think about it, 3 years out of the League, no wonder we sank to all-time lows, huge mistake by Al and Hue.
Now we have a Defensive Head Coach who is in tune with the latest trends and tendencies around the league, he has worked for some of the best DC’s of the past decade in Gregg Williams and John Fox.
Then there is Tarver, a bright young Coach who can implement DA’s vision on Defense because, make no mistake about it, this will be DA’s Defense run by Tarver.
Having a top 10, maybe top 5 DL unit in place, a couple of LB’s ready to break out in McClain and Wheeler and a deep, versatile Safety group gives them players to work with, if the CB’s hold up there’s no reason not to expect a big turnaround from the Defense, specially with the bar set so low after last year.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:26 am
But Reggie I guess didn’t really want him. His call.
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May have been waiting to see what they had in the 3 we have.
Would not be surpised if we wait until after the 1st game to pick someone up.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Thec Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Hwnrdr, whats good Brother???
All good bro! Just waiting on Monday night! You’ll be there, right?
August 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Bob
Nice post man, couldn’t agree more.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am
He got a $400K signing bonus. I don’t think he was just a camp body. You don’t commit that kind of dough for 4 weeks of work.
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They gave a Dlineman a $350k signing bonus and cut the guy and he never even took a snap in preseason. Can’t think of his name. I am just saying I could see it happen, I haven’t watched them much but if they need a roster spot the TE is expendable considerign their top 2
August 29th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Tarver = Mad Scientist
August 29th, 2012 at 7:28 am
By the way, I welcome the so-called “experts” negative predictions about the Raiders, I’d be worried if they were calling for big things from us.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Having a top 10, maybe top 5 DL unit in place, a couple of LB’s ready to break out in McClain and Wheeler and a deep, versatile Safety group gives them players to work with, if the CB’s hold up there’s no reason not to expect a big turnaround from the Defense, specially with the bar set so low after last year.
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I agree about the turnaround. Particularly in the discipline and focus. Penalties should dip. More consistency from play to play and quarter to quarter. But the bar is set really low compared to last year. If we hike up 10 spaces in overall defense compared to the rest of the league, I’ll be very happy about that.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Bob, great post! I’m waiting to see it unleasehed on Rivers Monday night! Even if we don’t stay the whole night (because of work the next morning), I hope I leave there with a feeling of we can win this thing!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am
All good bro! Just waiting on Monday night! You’ll be there, right?
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Yeah, my plans have been set as I bought the whole 8 game package this year.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Thec Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am
All good bro! Just waiting on Monday night! You’ll be there, right?
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Yeah, my plans have been set as I bought the whole 8 game package this year.
Cool, see you in 10 days!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Marley,
I agree with the so-called experts negatives to some degree. We have our share of warts right now, and if you just rely on a snapshot it’s not an accurate picture. This thing is moving, dynamic in nature. Tarver and Allen are molding it and shaping it to be something very different from what we see now. So it’s not inaccurate to paint a negative outlook to it. If all you can see is the present, then you don’t see the master plan that coaches are developing.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Sorry Thec…12 days
August 29th, 2012 at 7:36 am
I don’t blame the national media for expressing doubts about CP.
It’s well deserved.
Even if they’re blowing 4 pre-season interceptions way out of proportion, the fact remains that Palmer has been throwing picks at an alarming rate.
If Palmer continues to be TIM, and doesn’t limit his picks, we’re going nowhere fast.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:39 am
What is TIM?
August 29th, 2012 at 7:43 am
MR, TIM = The Interception Machine.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:45 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:43 am
MR, TIM = The Interception Machine.
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Thanks, but my name is Klas, and I a sexy.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:45 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:47 am
I know TP was playing against the scrubs but I would like to see him w first offense in preseason. Espec since CP is struggling, making the whole offense look ineffective somewhat.
Give him a quarter. If he comes out of that with a 153 qb rating again, I say start him.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Palmer won’t play much Thursday, I imagine. We get plenty of Pryor.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Morning fellas,
Francis was a good prospect coming into his draft year. I remember the talk about him. At least he wasnt demoted like DVD was in college. Still can’t understand how people think a dude that couldnt keep a starting gig at the Hurricanes can start in the NFL.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:49 am
The coaches think CP is doing just fine, 3 of the picks weren’t on him. I think I’d rather trust what the coaches think over people who just want Palmer to fail.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Now’s the time. TP kicks @ss again w first team and we got a qb controversy on our hands.
Saint Al is laughing from the grave.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:52 am
75.TxRaider210 Says:
Anyone read ESPN The Magazine with Megatron on the ESPN seems to be ran by politicians, only way their BS would make any sense.
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True take Tx.
Sports = news media = entertain and manipulate the ignorant masses.
Remember last year after we beat the barely the brownies we were 4-2 and the media was kissing raider butt for the first time in ages. They belittled all things Raider for ten years, snickering and guffawing like idiots on stage and off stage while talking about Mister Davis and his team.
It was fairly obvious that we had improved but not upper echelon and we proved that by losing both sides of the by to teams we should have whipped. Three weeks later and the media had us ranked as high as we had been in ten years.
6 months later and we are 4- 12?
hahahaha
Best year ever!!
August 29th, 2012 at 7:52 am
TP would even admit that Palmer is more NFL ready and should be the starter. Case closed.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
TP isn’t even in the discussion with Matt Leinart let alone CP3. Enough already. He’s a future tight end and doesn’t know it yet.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:49 am
The coaches think CP is doing just fine, 3 of the picks weren’t on him. I think I’d rather trust what the coaches think over people who just want Palmer to fail.
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I agree Tx, seems Carson is forcing the play to get our younger guys involved. Again… experimenting with the new offense. Most of the picks are on the receiver.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I don’t want CP to fail. Whoever they start I want to kick butt! Right now CP doesn’t look good. His performance will affect the whole huddle. Sink or swim. The time to find out is now. Not when were 0_4 and the season is down the tubes.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Huge TP fan here but he is far from ready to start imho. Let the kid learn from the vets and we’ll be fine. If CP struggles, it’s already Leinart anyways.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am
CP is being beat on because he is a Raider.
Any other team and he would not get near the negative rap.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am
R8drinOK Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:49 am
The coaches think CP is doing just fine, 3 of the picks weren’t on him. I think I’d rather trust what the coaches think over people who just want Palmer to fail.
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I agree Tx, seems Carson is forcing the play to get our younger guys involved. Again… experimenting with the new offense. Most of the picks are on the receiver.
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Exactly, he’s doing things like forcing throws because it’s the pre-season, what better way to challenge yourself. Some people just don’t comprehend that he is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else we have.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Hey I just want to win. long as our qB is winning, that’s all that matters.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am
CP is being beat on because he is a Raider.
Any other team and he would not get near the negative rap.
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Yeah and what’s worse is the beatings are coming from so-called Raider fans.lol
August 29th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I have to admit that some of the best Raider seasons started out w abysmal preseasons.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:02 am
True, considering we were 0-4 last year!
August 29th, 2012 at 8:02 am
All these questions about whether TP is ready could be answered by giving him some first team rep in preseason. That’s what preseason is 4. If were all so confident in Cp we don’t need to see more. ignore those interceptions. And it doesn’t matter whose fault the “I” is. Still an “I”.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:03 am
134.weaselbit Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:47 am
I know TP was playing against the scrubs but I would like to see him w first offense in preseason. Espec since CP is struggling, making the whole offense look ineffective somewhat.
Give him a quarter. If he comes out of that with a 153 qb rating again, I say start him.
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LOL. He was 3-5 for 130 yards and we want to start him now? LOL Criner made those plays TDs, even Pryor himself said neither were very good throws. The kid is working hard to be a legitimate NFL qb, but at this point he isn’t even on Tim Tebows level.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Hwn, who wrote that column..and what’s his email address?
August 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am
The kid is working hard to be a legitimate NFL qb, but at this point he isn’t even on Tim Tebows level.
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Disagree 1000% with the above comment.
Only thing tebow has or had over TP is REPS…
August 29th, 2012 at 8:09 am
I think Tim Tebow fell into a lucky situation in Denver. Gave him that much of a head start, and he still, imo, considered a godo qb yet! Let’s see how he does in NY!
August 29th, 2012 at 8:11 am
r8eray Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Hwn, who wrote that column..and what’s his email address?
LOL, don’t know. I can find out though!
August 29th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Palmer has 4 Ints so far, lets break them down –
Week 1 – slightly overthrown deep ball to Ford, questionable decision, but he was just trying to take a shot. No sweat, he doesn’t make that throw in a regular game
Week 2 – Badly overthrown ball against AZ. He floated it, could be a fluke, but I have seen a few of these this preseason that he got away with, needs to work on the mechanics to prevent these types of throws.
Week 3 int 1- Horrible decision by Palmer to throw into that scrum. No idea who it was supposed to go to but there wasn’t an eligible guy there, nice play by a dlineman to snag it out of the air though.
INT 2- Shouldn’t even be considered an INT. Eddie McGee practically handed it to the defender, no bearing on Palmer in my opinion, especially since I dont expect McGee to even make the team
August 29th, 2012 at 8:17 am
How come when Palmer throws 4 Ints in the preseason its armageddon, the guy is trash, but Peyton Manning throws 3 ints and its wink wink nudge nudge, you know, its just preseason. Manning has thrown the same amount of INTs over the last 2 years (that he played) as Palmer. Not comparing Palmer to Manning but come on, the Ints are problem for Palmer, but ok when Manning does it?
August 29th, 2012 at 8:17 am
TxRaider210 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am
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Exactly, he’s doing things like forcing throws because it’s the pre-season, what better way to challenge yourself. Some people just don’t comprehend that he is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else we have.
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Absolutely, and to annoint TP the starter after a half against 2nd and 3rd team players is crazy. I also think we are keeping the best plays in the book locked up until Monday night against SD. Still a little concerned about goaline offense though. Hope the O line gels with Wiz out.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:22 am
The problem is preseason football is not NFL football. It’s a bunch of football players having a cookout and a few beers and playing a pick up game in someone’s backyard. Sure, the offense is vanilla, but so are the defenses. No one is out trying to kill anyone, starters and backups and future camp casualties are all playing and sometimes together. The brand of football in presesaon games is just below the Pro Bowl.
Consider Daunte Culpepper circa 2005. In the preseason games, his completion percentage was 82% with an 11.8 YPA. People were predicting big things for him even more than there were the year before. Let’s just say that didn’t end well.
Preseason football is an exhibition game. Sure, the undrafted free agents and guys clinging to a dream of playing in the NFL are playing hard . . . but those guys aren’t top tier talent to begin with.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:23 am
You guys hear about the guy from Montana who dressed in camouflage and then stood near a road trying to look like bigfoot and was subsequently run over and killed?
Sad….but funny.
Talk about a good episode of 1000 ways to die!
August 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Warren Moon just said Seahawks win NFC West. He’s a fool.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:26 am
That dude in Montana was first hit by one car and then ran over by another car. Yup he takes the cake for idiot of the week.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Warren Moon just said Seahawks win NFC West. He’s a fool.
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Not far fetched at all.
Seahawks are solid.
Best secondary in the NFL.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
A little on the small sized CB if you ask me. we’ve already got 1 lightweight speed burner in DVD. Do we really need another smurf?
August 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Sad….but sad.
Even “funny” ways to die are still sad. Some people have a sickness of wanting to draw attention to themselves no matter what the risk. Sad.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Seahawks prob has the best QB in that division. I predict a huge disappointment for Niner fans this year. It was a perfect storm for them last year. They will not be winning by having their kicker scoring most of the games.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Since Raiders lost Super Bowl, every winning Super Bowl QB has been an elite pocket passing QB. Palmer may not be elite, but his style of passer is what wins championships these days. The game may be changing, but we haven’t seen a running QB win anything yet.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Unlike DVD, Coy can actually tackle and contribute on ST.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Moon played for the rats with wings, maybe he wants a job.
One thing is for sure klas, Moon is no fool
August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
I too like the Seaturds to win the West outright. Great defense, solid running game. Now they have a real QB and some good receivers. Will not surprised to see them win it.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Warren Moon just said Seahawks win NFC West. He’s a fool.
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Not far fetched at all.
Seahawks are solid.
Best secondary in the NFL.
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I feel that Russel Wilson experiment will blow up in their faces. Flynn will be QB before season is over.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:30 am
You guys only like Seahawks because you all 49er haters.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:32 am
You guys only like Seahawks because you all 49er haters.
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lispy whiner fans: Yay!!! Crimson & Butterscotch!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I guess Steve Young was running QB. Only successful running QB ever.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:32 am
BTW, Klas not 49er fan. He just not a hater.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:33 am
@Klas,
There’s a reason why Allen Iverson didnt win a championship in the NBA. You will not win a SB with streetball in a team sport. Until some dude can make that balance between streetball (running QB) and a traditional QB it aint happening in the nfl. The closest guy to doing it maybe Cam Newton. RGIII and R Wilson havent played a reg season yet.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:37 am
True Aig, that is why we have to roll with Palmer. May make mistakes, but gives us best chance to win division.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Warren Moon just said Seahawks win NFC West. He’s a fool.
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Not far fetched at all.
Seahawks are solid.
Best secondary in the NFL.
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I feel that Russel Wilson experiment will blow up in their faces. Flynn will be QB before season is over.
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Agreed Klas, it will be an epic Pete Carroll blunder.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:41 am
What is the over under on Kiffin returning to NFL? I say 3 years.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:41 am
From Vic Tafur on Cumbie…
Raiders defensive tackle Jamie Cumbie didn’t give himself enough credit for his potentially bubble-popping performance Saturday night. Cumbie, an undrafted free agent who was on Oakland’s practice squad last season, had three pass deflections and a sack against the Lions.
“I’m 6-foot-7,” he said, “so my hands are higher than everyone else’s already. I got them up and it happened.”
He left out the part about getting kicked off the Clemson team two years ago, getting a job landscaping while he worked with a trainer for five months and then coming to Oakland for training camp last year with a one-way ticket, broke.
“Nothing, man” he said. “I had nothing. No clothes, no money, nothing. Lucky I got a chance to stay around last year, and I have gotten better.”
Another good outing Thursday in the preseason finale in Seattle and Cumbie has a good shot at getting off the bubble and making the 53-man roster.
“My dad tells me, ‘Son, I feel that sometimes it will come in landslides, when it comes.’ And I’ve been waiting, working hard,” Cumbie said. “It’s about time I got something.”
Cumbie’s hands started him on his journey to oblivion.
He was kicked off the Clemson team, then kicked out of the university in June 2010 after a fight behind a bar and an arrest for assault and battery. The arrest warrant stated the victim had a broken nose, swelling of the brain and multiple facial fractures, but Cumbie swears it was “just one good punch.”
“I was wrong, shouldn’t have been in that situation, but basically I hit the wrong kid,” Cumbie said. “People – even from my hometown – say I tried to kill him, but I know what I did. It came down to who I hit.”
The victim, Philip Prince II, is the grandson of former Clemson President and trustee Philip Prince.
“I regret it,” Cumbie said, “but they say everything happens for a reason.”
Kicked out of school one class shy of graduation and unable to land at another school, Cumbie “was crushed.” He moved to Columbia, S.C., where his new agent, Jay Courie, got him a personal trainer and a job cutting grass.
“I knew if I had worked hard, that I had a chance,” Cumbie said. “Maybe not to get drafted but at least to get a tryout with a pro team.”
Last summer, the call came. It was from the Omaha Nighthawks of the UFL.
“Man, I was happy,” Cumbie said.
Then, the day the NFL lockout ended, a better call came. It was from then-Raiders defensive line coach Mike Waufle, inviting Cumbie to training camp.
Cumbie was cut but signed to the practice squad out of camp, and he hung on every word from players like Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly.
“Seymour and Kelly and Big John (Henderson) were always giving me advice last year, pointing me here, pointing me there,” Cumbie said. “They don’t have to do that. They must have seen something in me.”
Cumbie put on 15 pounds in the past year and is up to 305.
“I’m more confident, stronger, I know my offensive sets and tendencies, and I’m seeing the game a lot better,” he said. Even with all that, Cumbie knew he needed a big performance against the Lions after missing the second preseason game with a foot injury.
And he did, much to the delight of defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
“Those are the guys you root for because he said, ‘Coach, I’m going to be back’ after the injury, Tarver said. “And Jamie plays hard every snap, and he comes back and makes a bunch of plays.”
August 29th, 2012 at 8:41 am
The Shehawks do Not have the best secondary in the league yet, they have yet to play a real game. just sayin
August 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
3 years from now, Lane Kiffin will be coaching L.A. Chargers.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
R Wilson has very good instincts. I predict he will be quite successful. He seems to have a good feel for the rush and only runs when necessary.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:44 am
The victim, Philip Prince II, is the grandson of former Clemson President and trustee Philip Prince.
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LOL @ punching college president’s grandson.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am
He’s lucky he was only kicked off the team. If he was black, he would have been jailed for assault…..trust me on this one.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am
LOL. He was 3-5 for 130 yards and we want to start him now? LOL Criner made those plays TDs, even Pryor himself said neither were very good throws. The kid is working hard to be a legitimate NFL qb, but at this point he isn’t even on Tim Tebows level.
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-Criner and the backup FB dropped 2 passes.
-Tebow can’t throw after he had 2 NFL seasons to learn, and he started most of last season. his accuracy problems are worse than TP’s and he can’t read a defense.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
From an article by Tim K….dude has a crush on DA.
That’s for the games and years to decide. But we know–and can see and hear–that things are different, because the coach’s words matter now.
Unlike Lane Kiffin, Allen is direct. Unlike Art Shell, he’s relevant. Unlike Norv Turner, he doesn’t flinch at the bigger issues. Unlike Tom Cable, he’s comprehensive.
Unlike Hue Jackson, he’s not acting like he’s the star of a Broadway play.
Unlike every previous Raiders coach, with the exception of Al Davis in the 1960s and maybe John Madden, Tom Flores and Jon Gruden, Dennis Allen has actual, tangible power that rings throughout the franchise.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Bill Romanowski has decided to mentor Cumbie.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Race baiting bigot POS
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aig-raiders Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am
He’s lucky he was only kicked off the team. If he was black, he would have been jailed for assault…..trust me on this one.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Unlike every previous Raiders coach, with the exception of Al Davis in the 1960s and maybe John Madden, Tom Flores and Jon Gruden, Dennis Allen has actual, tangible power that rings throughout the franchise.
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T1ts always empower people.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:51 am
LOL
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Dakota Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Bill Romanowski has decided to mentor Cumbie.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:54 am
The most intriguing player on the field in any of the final preseason games of the summer is probably Terrelle Pryor.
The second-year Oakland quarterback thrust himself into the spotlight with a dazzling performance against the Detroit Lions in the second half of an Oakland Raiders’ win. After a shaky training camp and a poor showing in the first two preseason games, Pryor was phenomenal against the Lions.
He had a 59-yard run and a 17-yard touchdown run. But most importantly, he had passing success. He was 3-of-5 passing for 137 yards and with two touchdown passes to rookie Juron Criner.
Pryor will likely play extensively Thursday night at the Seattle Seahawks. I want to see him continue to throw the ball well as we all know he can run.
The difference between Pryor having a legitimate chance to be a starting quarterback some day or just being a fast, athletic preseason novelty will be his passing game. His biggest problem throwing the ball has been consistency. If he can deliver a second straight good preseason showing, the Raiders — who will likely figure out some packages to feature Pryor occasionally in the regular season — could feel good about Pryor as a potential starter down the road.
With starter Carson Palmer turning 33 in December and showing signs of decline the past four years, Oakland may start thinking about grooming a potential starter soon. If it doesn’t have faith in Pryor, the Raiders see th drafting a quarterback early next year.
Pryor is going to be the No. 3 quarterback this season, but Thursday is his chance to let the team know he should be their first option in the future.
August 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am
-By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
August 29th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Williamson is wrong. The Raiders will not draft a qb next year. GAURANTEED!!! Leinart or TP will be the next Raider starting QB so long as DA is around.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I want TP to play the whole game. He needs the reps.
And CP3 and Leinart get nothing for playing. Its just risking them to injury.
I think playing DMC or our #1 or #2 QBs is a huge mistake. I wouldnt even play Taiwan Jones for more than 2-3 series.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
170.Plunketthead Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Moon played for the rats with wings, maybe he wants a job.
One thing is for sure klas, Moon is no fool
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I think Moon does the sh!thawks games already. Wheter it’s TV or radio I’m not sure…
August 29th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Raider Riff Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I want TP to play the whole game. He needs the reps.
And CP3 and Leinart get nothing for playing. Its just risking them to injury.
I think playing DMC or our #1 or #2 QBs is a huge mistake. I wouldnt even play Taiwan Jones for more than 2-3 series.
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co-sign
August 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am
183.Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
3 years from now, Lane Kiffin will be coaching L.A. Chargers.
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You’re not even trying to be Klas anymore. Very Michael Crabtree-esque performance lately.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Carson Palmer needs the reps too, judging by the first 3 games.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
this is the funniest ish i read so far. its almost like the avengers of the NFL. Good ish specially the Decoy. ———————————————
I dont think this philosophy will ever change as long as the current regime is in place.
The Hair
The Princess of Darkness
The Gut
The Gut’s Decoy
The Visor
& the Mad Scientist
We have the most colorful and best administration in sports right now. I hope we can keep ‘em together for the next decade.
Name one other front office where everyone has a nickname?
August 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
196.Raider Riff Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I want TP to play the whole game. He needs the reps.
And CP3 and Leinart get nothing for playing. Its just risking them to injury.
I think playing DMC or our #1 or #2 QBs is a huge mistake. I wouldnt even play Taiwan Jones for more than 2-3 series.
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Needs the reps for what? The next time TP takes a snap in an NFL game will be next pre-season!
I agree about sitting Dmac, but Palmer needs the reps in the new offense because his timing with the WRs blows right now. He has had different starting receivers each week, he needs some time to work at game speed with the guys who will start week 1 (DHB and Streater at this point)
August 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Carl Weathers Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am
183.Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
3 years from now, Lane Kiffin will be coaching L.A. Chargers.
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You’re not even trying to be Klas anymore. Very Michael Crabtree-esque performance lately.
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? I always be Klas. Kiffin reminds me of little Klas when he was wee tike.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am
1111
August 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Stopped me posting before – now I’m back.WTF is going on?
August 29th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Palmer should rely heavily on Streater and DHB in week one. I know many will be exited about having Moore back or even Ford. But those 2 have done nothing to get themselves in synch with Palmer and Streater and DHB are on Palmer’s wavelength.
If Palmer tries to get cute and force a pass deep to Moore in game one, it could well be an interception because the chemistry just isn’t there yet. Best to rely on the hot hands in the short term.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am
To be fair, Moore & Palmer needed little to no time to get into a pretty good synch last year.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Cork wasn’t kidding when he said Reggie would keep tweaking the roster. Wonder if he makes it 3 in 3 days with Cooley?
August 29th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
196.Raider Riff Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I want TP to play the whole game. He needs the reps.
And CP3 and Leinart get nothing for playing. Its just risking them to injury.
I think playing DMC or our #1 or #2 QBs is a huge mistake. I wouldnt even play Taiwan Jones for more than 2-3 series.
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Needs the reps for what? The next time TP takes a snap in an NFL game will be next pre-season!
I agree about sitting Dmac, but Palmer needs the reps in the new offense because his timing with the WRs blows right now. He has had different starting receivers each week, he needs some time to work at game speed with the guys who will start week 1 (DHB and Streater at this point)
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The SeaGulls have been playing their real playbook all preseason in an effort to see what they really have at QB.
Us, like the rest of the NFL have been doing vanilla stuff. On offense and D. We get nothing out of this final dress rehersal other than risk injury to our known commodities. The SeaGulls are going to be coming at us full tilt. Even the Lions were playing vanilla and the 3rd game is the closest thing to a scrimmage.
This game is about final auditions for the guys who are on the bubble. Nothing more.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am
To be fair, Moore & Palmer needed little to no time to get into a pretty good synch last year.
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yes, but Moore had been on fire all thru camp and reg season. It’s a different animal with him now coming back off of injury. Palmer also hasn’t been playing lights out with his deep ball either adapting to Knapp’s WCO.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Would love to have Cooley but he seems just too much of an ijury risk.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
197.Carl Weathers Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
170.Plunketthead Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Moon played for the rats with wings, maybe he wants a job.
One thing is for sure klas, Moon is no fool
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I think Moon does the sh!thawks games already. Wheter it’s TV or radio I’m not sure…
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There you go then. Moon is no dummy
August 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
make that “injury”
August 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
The next time TP takes a snap in an NFL game will be next pre-season!
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Really????
You don’t see any red zone packages with Pryor?
August 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Hamilton, Cumbie, and Bilukidi all make the team?
August 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Really????
You don’t see any red zone packages with Pryor?
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No. If Pryor is taking snaps in a regular season game we either have a commanding lead or our season is over already.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Hamilton, Cumbie, and Bilukidi all make the team?
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Bilukidi is a lock.
Hamilton & Cumbie most likely playing against each other.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Or Palmer is hurt and TP took the #2 spot from Leinart.
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bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Really????
You don’t see any red zone packages with Pryor?
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No. If Pryor is taking snaps in a regular season game we either have a commanding lead or our season is over already.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Hamilton, Cumbie, and Bilukidi all make the team?
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Bilukidi is a lock.
Hamilton & Cumbie most likely playing against each other.
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Between those three, it may come down to who Reggie thinks he can sneak through waivers onto the practice squad.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I rather keep both those youngsters and send Seymour to the glue factory.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Bilukidi is a lock.
Hamilton & Cumbie most likely playing against each other.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Or Palmer is hurt….
Don’t even think that.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am
We need Seymour this year.
Not at his current price tag, but that’s a dead issue.
Next year, he will go back to New England..
August 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am
We need Seymour this year.
Not at his current price tag, but that’s a dead issue.
Next year, he will go back to New England..
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I doubt he’d want to go back there. Methinks there’s some major bad blood over the way he was traded.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:51 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am
We need Seymour this year.
Not at his current price tag, but that’s a dead issue.
Next year, he will go back to New England..
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I doubt he’d want to go back there. Methinks there’s some major bad blood over the way he was traded.
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Maybe, I could see him in Atlanta too, close to home.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:51 am
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August 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
You need him we dont.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am
We need Seymour this year.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
neilb Says:
make that “injury”//////////////ijury; thought that was a new computerized judicial system.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
You need him we dont.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am
We need Seymour this year.
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I also have no personal feelings or agendas when observing our roster.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
On Seymour;I doubt he’d want to go back there. Methinks there’s some major bad blood over the way he was traded.////Yeah, many in here think he’ll sign for a day and retire a patsie when the time comes. I don’t see it.
August 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am
You punch out a Steelers QB, might as well retire a Raider.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
O-coordinator Greg Knapp said using duel-threat QB Terrelle Pryor at times would “create some good chess matches” with D-coordinators
August 29th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
Greg Knapp said “there’s a possibility” he’ll design a package of plays for Terrelle Pryor, who ran for 90 and threw for 137 vs. Detroit.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Let Palmer play and play badly along with the receivers so Sandy eggo game plans to stop the run and dare you to pass.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Intrepid Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Let Palmer play and play badly along with the receivers so Sandy eggo game plans to stop the run and dare you to pass.
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That’s been the blueprint to beating us for the past 7 years.
Nothing new.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
If Seymour has any balls, he will waive Seymour and Jano.
Cut the fat.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Kirk Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
If Seymour has any balls, he will waive Seymour and Jano.
Cut the fat.
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I assume you mean Reggie McKenzie, and those 2 moves would be ‘Football Stupid’..
August 29th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Sorry…
If DA had any balls, he will waive Seymour and Jano.
Cut the fat.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Why?
Seymour is way overpaid, and Carmona is better than Jano.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am
14.Klas Tjorborn Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 4:59 am
Anyone watch American sh*t fest last night (Republican Convention)?
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Why would I waste my time watching a turd fest like that??
LOL
August 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Are we going to save any $ by waiving Seymour?
Huff and Seymour’s $ will be off the roster next year.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Richie Gannon just said he thinks it’ll be a 3-horse race to the AFC West title. Any guesses which team is not in this race?
F-U Rich “the chef” Gannon.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Kirk Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Why?
Seymour is way overpaid, and Carmona is better than Jano.
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There’s a thing called guaraneed money, as in you will pay him if he’s on the team or not. And a thing called cap excellerator if said player is released.
And please do not try and tell anyone Eddie Carmona is better than Sebastian Janikowski. They might mistake you for ignorant.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Carl Weathers Says:
Why do you guys torcher yourselves by watching and reading BSPN? Or any other mind warpping sports crap!
Carl Weathers Says:
Torcher???? Torture*^/////////////////Kinda liked ‘torcher’ Carl.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
231.J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
O-coordinator Greg Knapp said using duel-threat QB Terrelle Pryor at times would “create some good chess matches” with D-coordinators
232.J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
Greg Knapp said “there’s a possibility” he’ll design a package of plays for Terrelle Pryor, who ran for 90 and threw for 137 vs. Detroit.
^^^^^^^^
Hence the problem with Knapp.
He says there is a “possibility” he will design some packages for Pryor to use his legs as a weapon.
If Knapp had any brains, these packages should have been implemented during OTA’s!
Play to the players strengths!
August 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Are we going to save any $ by waiving Seymour?
Huff and Seymour’s $ will be off the roster next year.
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No.
And Seymour will be gone. His money wont be. Huff wont be gone at all.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
and Carmona is better than Jano
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AT what? The 40 yard dash?
August 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
We need Seymour this year.
Not at his current price tag, but that’s a dead issue.
Next year, he will go back to New England..
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I doubt he’d want to go back there. Methinks there’s some major bad blood over the way he was traded.
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I think what he’s referring to by “Going back to New England”……Is signing with the Patriots on the Eve of his retirement… He ain’t playin no more.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Kirk Says:
Seymour is way overpaid, and Carmona is better than Jano.
////////Better than Jano? That’s just silly.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Anybody clamoring for Seabass to get the axe doesn’t remember what the kicking was like before he got here. Do the names Cole Ford, Michael Husted and Greg Davis mean anything? How many games did we lose by three points after one of those stiffs had missed THREE makeable field goal attempts?
August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
234.DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Intrepid Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Let Palmer play and play badly along with the receivers so Sandy eggo game plans to stop the run and dare you to pass.
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That’s been the blueprint to beating us for the past 7 years.
Nothing new.
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If there’s any team Palmer has had success against it’s SD…even in Cincy. They must know that.
Even when they did manage to beat him last game they know he threw for 417 yds. and 2 td’s…
August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
DKnight007 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
He says there is a “possibility” he will design some packages for Pryor to use his legs as a weapon.
If Knapp had any brains, these packages should have been implemented during OTA’s!
Play to the players strengths!
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Implement them during OTAs? When the media can see what you’re doing? And then admit them openly? No no no. You keep those packages a SECRET, so your opponents don’t know they’re coming.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
1NATION #1
mornin all.
Kirk Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Why?
Seymour is way overpaid, and Carmona is better than Jano.
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Who cares what Seymour makes.He’s our D Captain.You plan on having nothing but kids out there?
Jano is a HOF kicker…maybe the best ever(1st part doesn’t exist and the second is debatable) so I’m wondering how you come to the conclusion that a wet behind the ears kid with 0 game experience is better than him? Just curious.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am
249.RaiderDuck Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Anybody clamoring for Seabass to get the axe doesn’t remember what the kicking was like before he got here. Do the names Cole Ford, Michael Husted and Greg Davis mean anything? How many games did we lose by three points after one of those stiffs had missed THREE makeable field goal attempts?
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Even Gruden has been behind the Jano draft pick from the time they made it. People wanna rip on Al for it, but he and Gruden were on same page when it went down.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am
240.J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Are we going to save any $ by waiving Seymour?
Huff and Seymour’s $ will be off the roster next year.
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Yeah, this is definitely Seymours last year here and I wouldn’t be surprised if Huff is gone as well.
Big money to be saved.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am
251.RaiderDuck Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
DKnight007 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
He says there is a “possibility” he will design some packages for Pryor to use his legs as a weapon.
If Knapp had any brains, these packages should have been implemented during OTA’s!
Play to the players strengths!
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Implement them during OTAs? When the media can see what you’re doing? And then admit them openly? No no no. You keep those packages a SECRET, so your opponents don’t know they’re coming.
^^^^^^^
They need to let the local media know to keep quiet.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Should I make this deal in FFL:
I trade Lynch and Cutler for Ryan and D Brown?
Or I trade Cutler and Beanie for Ryan and D Brown?
August 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Seymour has morphed into a lazy slug, who’s just playing out his days.
Every player is in on some plays, at some point, which is where his supporters rush to point he still has it.
He should be a force, not a plug.
All he’s managed is to get unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, one after the other.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Or should I trade Lynch, Cutler and M Williams for Brady and D Brown?
August 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Remember this thread next off-season when Seymour is cut, and we dont save a lot of money.
Same thing would happen if McClain is cut too.
People think just cause you cut a guy his whole contract is freed up.. in for a rude awakening.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am
DKnight007 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Should I make this deal in FFL:
I trade Lynch and Cutler for Ryan and D Brown?
Or I trade Cutler and Beanie for Ryan and D Brown?
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Cutler & Beanie, easy.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Eddie Carmona makes a 56 yard kick in preseason and all the sudden he is better than SeaBass? My god I knew there was a reason I stopped coming here.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:30 am
“He says there is a “possibility” he will design some packages for Pryor to use his legs as a weapon.”
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Just can’t imagine a head coach encouraging his qb to risk a season ending injury by putting in run plays for them.
Except for a rollout designed to run to sidelines to get a first down, it’s a disaster in the making.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:30 am
16 million coming off the books with Seymore next year.
Who’s contract kicks in?
August 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Eddie Carmona makes a 56 yard kick in preseason and all the sudden he is better than SeaBass? My god I knew there was a reason I stopped coming here.
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My thoughts exactly.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:32 am
262.RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:30 am
“He says there is a “possibility” he will design some packages for Pryor to use his legs as a weapon.”
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Just can’t imagine a head coach encouraging his qb to risk a season ending injury by putting in run plays for them.
Except for a rollout designed to run to sidelines to get a first down, it’s a disaster in the making.
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Pryor is still the #3 QB.
Special Pryor running packages should be used in the red zone or use him as a WR in red zone.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Pryor had a package of plays for him last year too, just because said package exists doesn’t mean it gets utilized. Don’t let 5 preseason plays cloud your judgment fellas. Pryor aint ready for the dance yet.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
That lazy slob won us a game by himself last year.You may be mistaking the eating up of double teams for doing nothing but I bet there will silence in here in regards to Seymour after the season starts.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
231.J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raiders RapidReports@CBSSportsNFLOAK
O-coordinator Greg Knapp said using duel-threat QB Terrelle Pryor at times would “create some good chess matches” with D-coordinators
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Let’s hope Knapp has already implemented those packages for the sake of the offense being unpredictable and able to catch defenses off guard a bit.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Pryor aint ready for the dance yet.
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Palmer is the clear starter. I don’t think anyone is doubting that.
Our offense looked pretty pathetic inside the 10 yd line.
I think Pryor can handle that with no problem.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Before the season starts, just a reminder of when football was football, the Raiders were Raiders and life was good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrkf06IOuzs&feature=related
August 29th, 2012 at 10:40 am
269.J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Pryor aint ready for the dance yet.
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Palmer is the clear starter. I don’t think anyone is doubting that.
Our offense looked pretty pathetic inside the 10 yd line.
I think Pryor can handle that with no problem.
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Get Pryor in the shotgun with DMC and Reece next to him in the backfield and he can hand off to either back or fake it and run it in for a TD himself!
Now that is a red zone package utilizing your dangerous weapons in the backfield and keeping defenses off balance.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:42 am
DKnight007 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Implement them during OTAs? When the media can see what you’re doing? And then admit them openly? No no no. You keep those packages a SECRET, so your opponents don’t know they’re coming.
^^^^^^^
They need to let the local media know to keep quiet.
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Unfortunately that is not their job description.You are dead right…smoke and mirrors is all they get.
Why we’ve seen didly of Marcel I imagine.If the press had their way…every time Marcel lined up in the backfield no one would be covering the run.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Gotta agree with using Pryor inside the 10. Cam Newton & Tebow made life miserable for defenses running around inside the 10…
August 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
You’ll see plenty of Pryor tomorrow night.Interesting to see his composure in that noisy hell hole.Prolly be false start central.He won’t even know if the guys got the right play.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:48 am
the nfl abolished the 3rd qb rule in 2011, so Pryor can go in there and play all he wants as the 3rd qb and Palmer and Leinert will still be eligible to play.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am
IDK, I think after playing in front of 105,000 people in Ohio, Pryor wont be that affected by noise lol..
August 29th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:48 am
the nfl abolished the 3rd qb rule in 2011, so Pryor can go in there and play all he wants as the 3rd qb and Palmer and Leinert will still be eligible to play.
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Correct, the only hurdle now will be if he is suited up for every game.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
The first time Pryor comes in a game on 3rd and goal and runs a designed run into a wall of 9 defenders, everyone will call Knapp an idiot.
He seems like he is damned if he does, damned if he don’t in here.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Yeah, if Knapp does something like that on 3rd down, then yeah, you’re right.
Pryor needs to be in on 1st and goal!!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Pryor in special packages, IMO, would be best served to chew up big chunks of yards, not in goalline situations where the field is all bunched up.
He is not a Tebow-like between the tackles runner, he is a gazelle that wants to hit a seam or a sideline and get his long stride going.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
The problem with using Pryor in the redzone is you just about eliminate the pass.He doesn’t have the consistency yet.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:59 am
JFB….Knapp has only been in the league how long?
Tells me that he doesn’t know what he’s doing but is really good at selling ice to eskimos.
August 29th, 2012 at 10:59 am
lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
The problem with using Pryor in the redzone is you just about eliminate the pass.He doesn’t have the consistency yet.
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Exactly right. You would put 11 hats on 6 and make him pass thru 11 defenders in a 10 yard area. Ain’t gonna happen.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
The first time Pryor comes in a game on 3rd and goal and runs a designed run into a wall of 9 defenders, everyone will call Knapp an idiot.
He seems like he is damned if he does, damned if he don’t in here.
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Very well said.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:00 am
lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
The problem with using Pryor in the redzone is you just about eliminate the pass.He doesn’t have the consistency yet.
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But does his threat to run open up the passing lanes more?…
That cup might be half full, not empty..
August 29th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I don’t know about that Lefty.
I think the defense having to play the run would open up a lot of passing lanes.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Pryor in special packages, IMO, would be best served to chew up big chunks of yards, not in goalline situations where the field is all bunched up.
He is not a Tebow-like between the tackles runner, he is a gazelle that wants to hit a seam or a sideline and get his long stride going.
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Terelle Pryor did exactly what I said he would do on this blog: he had his first plays set up for him to take off running. The defense was completely unprepared for that and was in a man under. The second the defense has to account for Pryor running, which they did, the passing lanes opened up. Good strategy. Problem is teams probably are already figuring some of this out.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Criner, Streater, D Mooresp
DMac and Reece in the backfield
Pryor in the shotgun.
I see that offense scoring some points.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Im not into “special packages” its not our offense. It takes away practice time. Carolina & denver were using their starting qbs in their base offense. Not some little package..
August 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
DA’sVisor…I’m sure the Buckeyes play in a state of the art facility but does it look like this?
http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2012/08/28/seahawks-keep-pushing-to-host-super-bowl-in-seattle/#2926-9
August 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am
True story:
Man in India opens a clothing store. Calls it Hitler and claims he never heard of Hitler. The best part, the letter I is dotted with a swastika (an Indian symbol)
http://news.yahoo.com/hitler-clothing-store-stirs-anger-india-133743884.html
August 29th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Oracle has announced Java 7 has a HUGE zero-day vulnerability, which they plan on fixing by October.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/08/29/java_zero_day_vulnerability_why_you_should_disable_java_on_your_browser_right_now_.html
August 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am
You miss the point J Hill.The passing lanes may be there but I wouldn’t trust Pryor to make the throws-YET.He is inconsistent with his accuracy.It seems everyone is going over board because of a few plays he made against 3rd and 4th string wannabes in 1 practice game.What happened to the lets be patient and give him time?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
JFB, excellent post.
“Pryor in special packages, IMO, would be best served to chew up big chunks of yards, not in goal-line situations where the field is all bunched up.
He is not a Tebow-like between the tackles runner, he is a gazelle that wants to hit a seam or a sideline and get his long stride going.”
August 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Nah, I know how YOU feel about Pryor’s accuracy.
Not going over board at all. How hard is it to throw a 5 yd pass against single coverage out of the shotgun?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Thank you Duck.Good looking out dude.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:19 am
DMac and Reece in the backfield with Pryor under C.
Dmac and Reece shift out wide and Pryor drops back into the shotgun with an empty backfield.
What would the defense do?????
August 29th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Wasn’t Pryor playing against 2nd string guys last week?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Also from Slate:
“Yesterday in Slate, I wrote about how one of the most popular questions asked of travelling Swedes is what they think of the Swedish Chef. Most commonly Swedes will answer that they think he sounds Norwegian—and that they wish you’d stop asking.”
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He does sound Norwegian! LOL
August 29th, 2012 at 11:25 am
DMac may be our best WR.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:25 am
I notice you conveniently ignore the being patient and give him time part.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Wasn’t Pryor playing against 2nd string guys last week?
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Not in the 4th qtr.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Twinkle Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:25 am
DMac may be our best WR.
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That is not true. I think Streater is going to be something special.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Damn, Lefty … Really?????
I have not said anything about rushing the kid into the starting lineup, or even a backup role.
Patient??? Giving him time????
To start, yes, I’m with you.
To be # 2, yes, I’m with you.
To be able to use his CLEAR running threat around the goalline and possibly throw a 5 yd pass is not rushing him, imo.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I’m not even saying that he automatically come in the game in every 1st and goal situations.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Point taken.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Marks Hair Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Im not into “special packages” its not our offense. It takes away practice time. Carolina & denver were using their starting qbs in their base offense. Not some little package..
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Im with Hair on this one. I for one, hate special packages. It throws off the rhythm of a game and takes up too much practice as said above.
Houdini needs to learn to be a QB. He’s special enough on his own without any gimmick offense.
That’s why he needs as many reps at regular QB within our offense as possible. If it means making him the #2 then so be it. Im highly interested in seeing how much better he can be with more reps and practice. Burying him on the depth chart is not going to do us any good.
I like that Knapp has noticed the kids skills though. Houdini just needs to keep doing exactly what he is doing and eventually they wont be able to ignore the obvious.
Caron will continue to tutor the kid. And Leinart can continue to be a career backup, first for Carson and later for Houdini. Job insurance for the next 10 years if he wants it.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
If Knapp had any brains, these packages should have been implemented during OTA’s!
Play to the players strengths!
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The Semi’s said this weeks ago….Too bad Knapp does not take heed.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
CP3 looks worse than last year …. he had a few elite games last year and some nice passing game stuff implemented to suit his strenghts …. this west coast, roll-out, boot underneath stuff isn’t him … at leats knowingly pre-season is vanilla and just a scrimmage.
Really hope Week 1 he has a good game 260-300 passing 2 TD, no picks.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I’m just not a fan of gimmicky plays except maybe a fake punt or field goal now and then.The wildcat is ineffective now because DCs are too smart and figured it out in no time.Most teams don’t have a clown like Bresnahan as their DC.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Damn, Lefty … Really?????
I have not said anything about rushing the kid into the starting lineup, or even a backup role.
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Yeah Left, JHILL is not saying that. he was one of the guys semi’s wanting him to convert him to convert to TE.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
aren’t short passes into a crowded D (what Pryor would see in the end zone) and decision-making Pryor’s weaknesses?
Look at the INT he threw last game. Yikes. Or the inaccurate passes games 1 and 2 and all pre-season during practices (according to those who were there).
I don’t know at what point of a game you trust Pryor with the ball near the end zone instead of Palmer and DMac.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am
lefty, that makes me wonder…
what if you taught Pryor to be the holder and punt protector. Imagine the possibilities there
August 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Wildcat is a RB playing QB.
Pryor is not as bad throwing the ball as some of you make out, lol.
That pick Pryor threw in the last game could have easily been on the WR not turning around soon enough. He was open when Pryor threw the rock.
A lot of folks focusing on the pass he threw at someone’s feet in game one. One bad pass??? Big deal!
The coaches seem fine with Pryor, so it is what it is.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
He fumbled his only snap last year.He fumbled the other night.does he have the hands to be a holder?:)
August 29th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Yeah Left, JHILL is not saying that. he was one of the guys semi’s wanting him to convert him to convert to TE.
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Never.
Gordon is a BEASTLY TE who Pryor would have NO SHOT at unseating.
Myers is the man too.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
The coaches seem fine with Pryor, so it is what it is.
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Correct-as a 3rd team prospect who is as raw as any player in the league.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am
JHill,
what do you base that assertion on? that “he’s not as bad a passer as most make him out to be.”
College, huge accuracy struggles vs USC, Miami, Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin (legit teams).
Draft – passed up 64+ times by teams when he was the only guy in the draft.
NFL – huge accuracy issues throughout practices last season and this one. Accuracy issues all 3 games, though he made two solid throws last game.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Palmer can make every throw on the field.
He is highly intellgient.
Also a great leader and commander of the huddle.
Can run a 2minute drill/hurry up easily.
He can read a D.
Palmer’s biggest issue is decision making.
Then mobility.
He just forces throws/takes chances and gives his WR’s the oppurtunity to beat the D.
More or less he is a Kerry Collins type of QB.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Myers is the man? lol, he’s the worst tight end in the AFC West, and possibly the entire AFC.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
You want to put Pryor in a goalline situation and throw passes?
If he throws a pick 6 and takes ponits off the board, DA might be fired at halftime.
The Reggie doesn’t strike me as a man that would be tolerant of failed fluff.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Myers is the man? lol, he’s the worst tight end in the AFC West, and possibly the entire AFC.
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Why?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Myers is the man? lol, he’s the worst tight end in the AFC West, and possibly the entire AFC.
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hahahahahaha…what you dont like the Oscar Meyers brand?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Wildcat is a RB playing QB.
Pryor is not as bad throwing the ball as some of you make out, lol.
That pick Pryor threw in the last game could have easily been on the WR not turning around soon enough. He was open when Pryor threw the rock.
A lot of folks focusing on the pass he threw at someone’s feet in game one. One bad pass??? Big deal!
The coaches seem fine with Pryor, so it is what it is.
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In most cases, coaches seem fine with most players, up until they send him packing.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Palmer can make every throw on the field.
He is highly intellgient.
Also a great leader and commander of the huddle.
Can run a 2minute drill/hurry up easily.
He can read a D.
Palmer’s biggest issue is decision making.
Then mobility.
He just forces throws/takes chances and gives his WR’s the oppurtunity to beat the D.
More or less he is a Kerry Collins type of QB.
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Thank goodness. I can rest easy now knowing we have Kerry Collins back there instead of THE BEST QB SINCE GANNON everyone here has been telling me after the trade went down last year.
kneejerk reactions are a mother****er.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Pryor is easily broken down:
Never had to read defenses or audible.
His passing targets were so wide open he never had to throw into tight spaces.
Could always outrun the edge and pass rush.
Athleticism trumped all of toehr aspects the QB position demands.
He is what he is … an ELITE athelete, size/speed/arm … dual threat guy that has A LOT to learn before he can be a starter and a lot of passing accuracy needs to be gained from reps and understanding of progressions.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Just my opinion, Alex.
Wasn’t a Pryor fan AT ALL. Just ask Thec.
This last game, I see what Thec was talking about.
EVERY man on the 53 man roster is NFL ready. Why on earth would The Reggime keep a guy on the active roster who couldn’t play?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Is this new db fodder or will he take mccanns spot?
August 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
what do you base that assertion on? that “he’s not as bad a passer as most make him out to be.”
College, huge accuracy struggles vs USC, Miami, Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin (legit teams).
Draft – passed up 64+ times by teams when he was the only guy in the draft.
NFL – huge accuracy issues throughout practices last season and this one. Accuracy issues all 3 games, though he made two solid throws last game.
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You have been harping the same stuff sense we drfted Pryor.
the ORG has ZERO ties to Pryor, so they do not have to waste anytime trying to develop him.
If the plan was to roll him, it would have been done.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
since we drafted
August 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
New DB is getting a little coaching before he gets cut, in case we need to call him back mid-season due to injuries/etc.
August 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Why is he the worst in our division? Umm, genetics? Whatever you blame for lack of athleticism, hand-eye coordination, and large and small-motor skills.
Gates, Tamme, Moaki in the AFC West.
Better TEs in New England, Cincy, Houston, NY, Indy, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Tennessee…
August 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Carson’s throw in traffic that was intercepted last game was a middle screen in which the RB was flagrantly held. could have been a big play but the non-call resulted in the INT.
I have trust in Carson. He could use a good TE option and as the year goes on the cream of the WR group will rise to the top which will result in Streater, DHB, Moore in my opinion.
Cooley would be a welcome signing
August 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@tricky70390
with all that said i still believe Palmer can be a top 10 QB this season, and he is the best QB since Gannon, by default mostly. Palmer can do what Flacco does, he will be fine, if Palmers WR’s are healthy then he will rack so many YACs he will be ok.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Just my opinion, Alex.
Wasn’t a Pryor fan AT ALL. Just ask Thec.
This last game, I see what Thec was talking about.
EVERY man on the 53 man roster is NFL ready. Why on earth would The Reggime keep a guy on the active roster who couldn’t play?
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JHILL is on record for not giving 2 shats about TP playing QB. This can be found on the blog archives very easily.
JHILL wanted the Raids to convert him to RB…lol
August 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
JHill,
I agree that technically, every player on the 53-man roster is ready to play. But think about 3rd string QBs. Think about how bad most BACKUP QBs are. Imagine how bad you must be at QB to be a 3rd stringer.
Yes, in the right place/time, Pryor can wow you with his athleticism. Over the course of a game though, where he would be forced to read coverages, throw into tight windows, read blitzes, use proper footwork…
he would fail miserably because he’s simply not very good at most of those things. Proven at college and NFL, so anything else is honestly just wishful thinking.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
On screen passes, you can do everything other than tackle the potential screen reciever (sometimes you get away with actually tackling him) and get away with it.
Middle screens in traffic should be jettisoned from the playbook.
Any time someone runs a screen on us, TK and Seymour are giving them the business.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
The Myers hate is ridiculous, lol.
Do you know what a TE is supposed to do MOST of the time he is on the field?????
I know the new flavor of the month is a TE who more rembles a WR. In THIS offense, I’ll take a “true” TE, thank you very much.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
The Myers hate is ridiculous, lol.
Do you know what a TE is supposed to do MOST of the time he is on the field?????
I know the new flavor of the month is a TE who more rembles a WR. In THIS offense, I’ll take a “true” TE, thank you very much.
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I dont hate Oscar Meyers brand, it is better than bars s from what I am told.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Carson’s throw in traffic that was intercepted last game was a middle screen in which the RB was flagrantly held. could have been a big play but the non-call resulted in the INT
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FLAGRANTLY!!!!!
BEYOND ridiculous that there was no call there.
LOL at “the business” compared to how Taiwan was rag dolled.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
JHill,
I agree that technically, every player on the 53-man roster is ready to play. But think about 3rd string QBs. Think about how bad most BACKUP QBs are. Imagine how bad you must be at QB to be a 3rd stringer.
Yes, in the right place/time, Pryor can wow you with his athleticism. Over the course of a game though, where he would be forced to read coverages, throw into tight windows, read blitzes, use proper footwork…
he would fail miserably because he’s simply not very good at most of those things. Proven at college and NFL, so anything else is honestly just wishful thinking.
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You should have a meeting with the NATION org. I am sure you can enlighten them enough so that they dont watse the time and move on from PRYOR.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
think about it:
Vikings’ fans felt the same about athletic QB Joe Webb.
Dolphins’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Pat White.
Steelers’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Dennis Dixon.
But because he’s ours, we figure he’ll be much better than those other examples.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Alex7, can you with all of your infinite wisdom, please explain why the ORG has not rolled PRYOR yet?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
“On screen passes, you can do everything other than tackle the potential screen reciever”
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A hold is a hold on ANY play, let alone the RB on a screen pass.
Point being is Carson’s stats should not be even discussed. He’s a leader, a natural QB and a Raider. Good enough for me
August 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Marks hair Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Is this new db fodder or will he take mccanns spot?
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McCann doesnt have a spot to take.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Meyers has backed up Z. Miller and Boss two solid TE’s …. he obviously understands the position, he just may not possess the overwhelming athleticism/speed/big play ability … BUT if he can take on his blocking assignments well and catch the underneath stuff to bail out CP3 at times, then he will be fine.
I understand Ausberry is the athlete, the speed guy and the best guy to beat coverages for big gains BUT…if he misses blocks that stall the run game or lead to sacks and runs th ewrong route then he really is hurting the offesne.
Myers for now. He is the reliable one. No arguement.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Sorry Thec,
the nation’s fan base isn’t prone to using statistics and rational too frequently.
See: love for Tui, desire to cut RoMac despite playing for JV-level Defensive Coordinator, statements that Routt was as good as Nnamdi, hate of zone defense and ZBS despite most not even understanding it…
August 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Alex7, so you know more about football than our current ORG, so can I get a simple explination on why PRYOR a person drafted by the great Mr. Davis RIP, whom they have ZERO ties too, could have cut bait right????
So why is the ORG trying to devlop him as a QB???
August 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
The Myers hate is ridiculous, lol.
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Myers has made more plays in the passing game and ST’s, other than 2 or 3 TE’s we’ve had, since Todd Christenen era. In limited time no less! Those 2 or 3 are Ethan Horton, Miller and possibly one other I can’t recall.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Like it or not, Palmer is a streaky qb.
Always has been.
Makes a great play. Makes a really bonehead play.
Wins the game for you. Loses the game for you.
As some of you like to say, it is what it is.
In this case, what it is isn’t all that great.
Mediocre is more like it.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Sorry Thec,
the nation’s fan base isn’t prone to using statistics and rational too frequently.
See: love for Tui, desire to cut RoMac despite playing for JV-level Defensive Coordinator, statements that Routt was as good as Nnamdi, hate of zone defense and ZBS despite most not even understanding it…
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thats fine however, what about the ORG???? you have yet to answer my question.
why does the ORG have TP at QB???
August 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Terelle Pryor IMO will never be successful at this level. The TP as a starter talk is so ridiculous. Why is no one ever happy with progress? It’s SB or bust every year. I think Al Davis has rubbed off on some peeps.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Thec,
WHY ON EARTH would the team cut a 3rd-string QB making peanuts?
A 3rd-string QB that can at least run faster than most people on the field has some value. Value as a future starting QB? Laughable. But certainly worth keeping as a 3rd stringer.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
279.J Hill Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Yeah, if Knapp does something like that on 3rd down, then yeah, you’re right.
Pryor needs to be in on 1st and goal!!!!
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Exactly. 1st and Goal and even just fake the hand off to DMC and run it to the 1 yard line himself or get into the end zone or he can pass it to Myers.
Plus it provides the offense with a different red zone look to keep defenses guessing.
It all depends on the blocking also.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Palmer is in the Top 10 NFL QB conversation every year. I mean what do you want, trade for Tom Brady? Give Palmer more than 8 games to close the book
August 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
think about it:
Vikings’ fans felt the same about athletic QB Joe Webb.
Dolphins’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Pat White.
Steelers’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Dennis Dixon.
But because he’s ours, we figure he’ll be much better than those other examples.
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Great point. Agree. BUT Pryor is 6′6 1/2 … 4.3 speed … he is bigger/faster/stronger than those guys by a mile. Can he play QB every down one day? Yet to be seen. BUt his skillset makes him a deadly weapon to develop.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
think about it:
Vikings’ fans felt the same about athletic QB Joe Webb.
Dolphins’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Pat White.
Steelers’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Dennis Dixon.
But because he’s ours, we figure he’ll be much better than those other examples.
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Dennis Dixon was good and worth developing. Injuries derailed him.
As for J Hill being called out here, why isnt he allowed to change his mind? I know Ive done not quite a 180 on Pryor but dang close.
I just want to see how much better he can get with more coaching and reps. He has charisma, he looks like a leader, and he has the work ethic a QB has to have.
Good point whoever said that if we were going to dump him, it would have already happened. His work ethic is keeping him around. And it will continue to keep him around. A QB with a chip on his shoulder usually ends up being pretty dang good.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Use the 3rd string QB athlete as a WEAPON not as a bench warmer!
Especially since we have a crappy play caller like Knapp who hasn’t called anything efficient within the red zone all pre season long to score a TD!
August 29th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Meyers has backed up Z. Miller and Boss two solid TE’s …. he obviously understands the position, he just may not possess the overwhelming athleticism/speed/big play ability … BUT if he can take on his blocking assignments well and catch the underneath stuff to bail out CP3 at times, then he will be fine.
I understand Ausberry is the athlete, the speed guy and the best guy to beat coverages for big gains BUT…if he misses blocks that stall the run game or lead to sacks and runs th ewrong route then he really is hurting the offesne.
Myers for now. He is the reliable one. No arguement.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I think Pryors problem is that when he throws the ball he doesn’t extend his left hand toward the area where he is going to throw.
He keeps his left arm tucked in it seems. That doesn’t help when it comes to throwing a football with accuracy.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thinking about it, this isn’t the best way, or even an acceptable way of starting a season.
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
backup qb not only can’t stay off of IR, but when he’s on the field, he’s mediocre at best.
3rd qb has everyone making excuses for his bad play, believing that because he can run fast, he’ll be ok.
oh, and that because the team hasn’t “rolled him” yet, he must be solid.
Not really an ideal situation, unfortunately.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I think Pryors problem is that when he throws the ball he doesn’t extend his left hand toward the area where he is going to throw.
He keeps his left arm tucked in it seems. That doesn’t help when it comes to throwing a football with accuracy.
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There’s a lot of problems with Pryor’s mechanics. Frankly, they are terrible. Look at the lst TD pass he threw in the last game. His footwork is horrendous, he kind of wings it up there, and in all honesty it is a bad pass. Criner bails him out on that play. Good read by Pryor, but not overly good execution. Fortunately Terelle wants to get better and he will.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Seeing Pryor make progress whether it is small steps or huge steps is great for the org. but it is terrible for places like this.You have people that believe this is pee-wee football and you can do anything like they run in sandlot games and it will be successful.LOL
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thinking about it, this isn’t the best way, or even an acceptable way of starting a season.
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
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You’re talking about Matt Cassell from your team the KC Cheats right “Raider”Rob?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I think Pryors problem is that when he throws the ball he doesn’t extend his left hand toward the area where he is going to throw.
He keeps his left arm tucked in it seems. That doesn’t help when it comes to throwing a football with accuracy.
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That’s baseball, not football.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I can’t believe this debate still rages on in here. Listen Pryor’s body of work consists of 4 quarters of High School-esque qb play and FIVE good plays. FIVE. I am happy for the kid, his hard work showed some dividends but its FIVE PLAYS. He is not ready to play against starting defenders yet. It will destroy any self confidence he started to develop last Saturday. Lets have this conversation again next preseason and see how his progression is doing.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thinking about it, this isn’t the best way, or even an acceptable way of starting a season.
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
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You’re talking about Matt Cassell from your team the KC Cheats right “Raider”Rob?
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What the hell are you talking about?
Do you have any idea?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
BTW, Seymour, if that’s your idea of a reply, stfu.
I made a solid comment.
You seem to be the target of everyone who’s in the mood to pick on someone, and slap them around.
You don’t really need me to pile on, as well, do you?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
backup qb not only can’t stay off of IR, but when he’s on the field, he’s mediocre at best.
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What exactly about Leinarts play has been ‘mediocre’ thus far? He has played nearly flawless football this preseason. Were it an open competition Matt Leinart would be your day 1 starter.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Raiders have claimed defensive back Coye Francies on waivers from the Seahawks. He returned three kickoffs for 66 yards this preseason.
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He will get some play on special teams tomorrow more than likely
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dennis Dixon was not undone by injuries. He started multiple games when Ben was suspended for the sexual misconduct situation.
He was terrible.
Couldn’t pass the ball, regardless of his athleticism.
Pat White, just as fast as Pryor. Just as good a passer in college as Pryor. Couldn’t pass the ball in the NFL.
Joe Webb? 6′4″, 4.4 speed, top broad jump and bench press numbers at his position at the combine…couldn’t pass the ball.
Point is WE’VE SEEN THIS ATHLETE HYPE before, and it’s odd when people don’t learn from the past.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Meyers could be average and innocuous tight end. Never gonna be great. Could use upgrade.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
In other semi-related Raiders news, the Rams claimed DE.Mason Brodine.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Seeing Pryor make progress whether it is small steps or huge steps is great for the org. but it is terrible for places like this.You have people that believe this is pee-wee football and you can do anything like they run in sandlot games and it will be successful.LOL
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You just contradicted yourself.
You learn the fundamentals starting in pee-wee, up through college.
Not supposed to come into the NFL, and now start learning basics.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
for what it’s worth, the throwing motion for a QB and a pitcher are very similar.
Tom House is considered a pitching mechanics guru and has also worked with NFL QBs, including Tom Brady and “I put 300 yards on the Steelers D” Tim Tebow
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
backup qb not only can’t stay off of IR, but when he’s on the field, he’s mediocre at best.
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What exactly about Leinarts play has been ‘mediocre’ thus far? He has played nearly flawless football this preseason. Were it an open competition Matt Leinart would be your day 1 starter.
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I’m talking about his career, not playing in preseason against NFL hopefuls.
Was just a few years ago that his preseason play, against US, that got him benched for Warner. Everywhere he played he was first mediocre, in other words, not the starter, and quickly got injured. On IR for season.
There is a reason team after team after team let him leave.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
If you rank all 32 starting tight ends, you’d quickly realize that Myers is below-average, not average.
I agree with whoever reminded us a few days ago about how important a good TE is to every top QB.
Hope Palmer has that dependable outlet or he might be forced to take more shots downfield, or take more sacks.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
You just contradicted yourself.
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Actually you are the contradiction. Putting “Raider” in your Broncoesque posts.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
No contradiction,Alias.There are people on this blog that believe things that work in sandlot football will be equally effective at this level.They won’t work here.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-08-29/replacement-officials–Week-1-lockout-referees/57406834/1
Good news for the Raiders! Replacement refs to work game 1 against the Chargers. They have been very good to us.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
for what it’s worth, the throwing motion for a QB and a pitcher are very similar.
Tom House is considered a pitching mechanics guru and has also worked with NFL QBs, including Tom Brady and “I put 300 yards on the Steelers D” Tim Tebow
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really?
qb’s do a full windup?
bring their legs all the way up, leaning back?
takes a full stride forward, with a full follow through?
You sure about that?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
backup qb not only can’t stay off of IR, but when he’s on the field, he’s mediocre at best.
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What exactly about Leinarts play has been ‘mediocre’ thus far? He has played nearly flawless football this preseason. Were it an open competition Matt Leinart would be your day 1 starter.
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There is some truth to this statement.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
You just contradicted yourself.
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Actually you are the contradiction. Putting “Raider” in your Broncoesque posts.
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Again, what the hell are you talking about?
There are other Rob’s here, nitwit.
I dare you to post even one post of mine that you can backup your goofy comments.
Again, you really want me to start on you?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
for what it’s worth, the throwing motion for a QB and a pitcher are very similar.
Tom House is considered a pitching mechanics guru and has also worked with NFL QBs, including Tom Brady and “I put 300 yards on the Steelers D” Tim Tebow ==
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really?
qb’s do a full windup?
bring their legs all the way up, leaning back?
takes a full stride forward, with a full follow through?
You sure about that?
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In baseball youre taught to point with your glove.
In football you point with your off elbow.
Similar mechanics and benefits. The original point is valid. Pryor needs to point with his off elbow.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
What exactly about Leinarts play has been ‘mediocre’ thus far? He has played nearly flawless football this preseason.
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The issue with Leinert coming out was arm strength. CLEARLY that is something that Matt has worked on the last three years. He is a much stronger Q than he was lst coming in. Much stronger!
August 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I like Seymore Bush. He keeps the haters in check.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Fly to Oakland in 1 week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
WHICH IS IT, YOU IDIOT?
First you say KC is my team.
Next post the Bronco’s are my team??
Again, IDIOT, which is it?
You’re kind of clueless, aren’t you?
And obviously easy to jack up.
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
You’re talking about Matt Cassell from your team the KC Cheats right “Raider”Rob?
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Actually you are the contradiction. Putting “Raider” in your Broncoesque posts.
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I like Seymore Bush. He keeps the haters in check.
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He just got slammed.
You might want to help him out, while you’re gushing praise.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thinking about it, this isn’t the best way, or even an acceptable way of starting a season.
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
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This is a solid post? You must be dumb as a post.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
What exactly about Leinarts play has been ‘mediocre’ thus far? He has played nearly flawless football this preseason.
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The issue with Leinert coming out was arm strength. CLEARLY that is something that Matt has worked on the last three years. He is a much stronger Q than he was lst coming in. Much stronger!
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No it wasn’t, idiot.
It was his decision making process. His throwing into double coverage.
Again, why have all the teams let him go?
Because he bombed, idiot.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Say Bronco Rob, you seem to be melting down. You might want to call your boyfriend Alex Smith and cry on his shoulder.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Fellas, lets stay out of the name calling area, and stick to solid points.
Thanks
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRob Says: Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career,///////////////////////Guess we all see what we want to see, because I don’t see that at all.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Seymour? Want to see dumb as a post?
You stupidly claimed I was a chief fan.
then stupidly claimed I was a bronco fan ON THE NEXT POST.
See? That’s the definition as dumb as a post, idiot.
Now, back to my challenge. Show me one post you say gives you the idea I’m a fan of either of those teams.
You can’t. So you are reduced to idiotic posts, hoping I forget my challenge.
I won’t.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Another critique of Leinart was he was immature coming into the league and didn’t take his job seriously.He even admitted he didn’t dedicate himself enough.Supposedly the last couple of years he has seen the light and realized he has to work to be good in this league.How can people judge him on things he did 3/4 years ago yet in the same breath say Pryor will change in 3/4 years?It is called maturing.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRob Says: Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career,///////////////////////Guess we all see what we want to see, because I don’t see that at all.
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Palmer has been blasted by pundits for the exact same issues now that he had in Cinc.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
No it wasn’t, idiot.
It was his decision making process. His throwing into double coverage.
Again, why have all the teams let him go?
Because he bombed, idiot.
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You don’t know what you’re talking about. Is that why Leinert won the Heisman? Because his decisions sucked. And team after team after team let him go? He has only been on two teams, the second of which signed him to a one year contract. Keep trying you might one day get something right. But it is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL. You can’t even get your name right Bronco Billy.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Another critique of Leinart was he was immature coming into the league and didn’t take his job seriously.He even admitted he didn’t dedicate himself enough.Supposedly the last couple of years he has seen the light and realized he has to work to be good in this league.How can people judge him on things he did 3/4 years ago yet in the same breath say Pryor will change in 3/4 years?It is called maturing.
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ONce again, Lefty is on point.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Another critique of Leinart was he was immature coming into the league and didn’t take his job seriously.He even admitted he didn’t dedicate himself enough.Supposedly the last couple of years he has seen the light and realized he has to work to be good in this league.How can people judge him on things he did 3/4 years ago yet in the same breath say Pryor will change in 3/4 years?It is called maturing.
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You are right.
He did cop to the fact he enjoyed partying.
Unfortunately him maturing hasn’t shown up in his play.
Well, except for a few solid plays in preseason, which, by your own words, don’t mean a single dang thing.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Seymour? Want to see dumb as a post?
You stupidly claimed I was a chief fan.
then stupidly claimed I was a bronco fan ON THE NEXT POST.
See? That’s the definition as dumb as a post, idiot.
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No, you’re a lying sack of sh** that is not a Raider fan you gutless POS. Why don’t you come clean like that other loser and tell us really what team you root for, Bronco Billy.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I may have been taking a shot at our ineptitude at the TE position more than praising Myers there. Point being, he has made plays andd deserves to at least be given the chance to start.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Raider Riff?
You’re kind of a follower, aren’t ya?
Waiting for others to post, then agreeing.
Kind of a safe way to post.
Never have to back up your words. And when their words are proven wrong, you go support a different post.
No guts, no glory.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
When Dixon was in for Ben, weren’t they 3-1? Sorry, I didn’t watch any of those 4 games but wasn’t all 4 games supposedly tough opponents and one being Baltimore?
August 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Many players have trouble maturing in to humble men, take the whole Lion’s roster for example:)
August 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I always put football knowledgable posts on here and nobody comments, it seems most people in here judging by the last few posts are here to beetch like little girls and get into keyboard fights. This urely cant be a raider blog? Im out.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
August 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
think about it:
Vikings’ fans felt the same about athletic QB Joe Webb.
Dolphins’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Pat White.
Steelers’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Dennis Dixon.
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Watch for those 3 names you just mentioned. They will undoubtedly emerge in a lengthy post later on from someone who will extol each of their many virtues and how each of them either didn’t get a fair shot or how they have proven without a doubt that they deserve to be starting right now in the NFL.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Seymour? Want to see dumb as a post?
You stupidly claimed I was a chief fan.
then stupidly claimed I was a bronco fan ON THE NEXT POST.
See? That’s the definition as dumb as a post, idiot.
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No, you’re a lying sack of sh** that is not a Raider fan you gutless POS. Why don’t you come clean like that other loser and tell us really what team you root for, Bronco Billy.
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Again, because you stupidly think I’ll let it pass.
FIRST YOU CALLED ME A CHIEF FAN. NEXT POST I’M A BRONCO FAN.
Because I called you out as being an idiot.
Facts are you are an idiot.
Now you’ve progressed to a babbling idiot.
Care to explain how you went from chiefs to donkeys in two sentences?
Or you can just admit you are an idiot.
Your choice, idiot.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
So, how are the DB’s doing in Cincy?? LMAO!
Enjoy the rest of the day ladies and gents!
August 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Obviously.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
It doesn’t surprise me a bit to see more and more problems with maturity being an issue. That’s the problem with this, “I-want-it-now!” X-box playing, chicken nugget consuming generation. Boys to men at a much later age. SMH
August 29th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
CW-the fan base,at least on here,doesn’t think much of Myers.Yet he was kept over both Miller and Boss.Sure it would be nice to have a Graham at the position,but I believe Myers is better than given credit for and agree with you that he deserves to start.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
August 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
alex7 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
think about it:
Vikings’ fans felt the same about athletic QB Joe Webb.
Dolphins’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Pat White.
Steelers’ fans felt the SAME about athletic QB Dennis Dixon.
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Watch for those 3 names you just mentioned. They will undoubtedly emerge in a lengthy post later on from someone who will extol each of their many virtues and how each of them either didn’t get a fair shot or how they have proven without a doubt that they deserve to be starting right now in the NFL.
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Ain’t that the truth.lol I will say though, Pryor is a better athlete than either 3 QB’s listed above.imo
August 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Oakglenn? You are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you, Seymour?
Things never change, lol.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
No it wasn’t, idiot.
It was his decision making process. His throwing into double coverage.
Again, why have all the teams let him go?
Because he bombed, idiot.
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Leinert has had 8 starts in the last four years. He bombed? Once again, SOS, what is your team? You’re flailing in the deep end son.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Oakglenn? You are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you, Seymour?
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Ooo, another troll defending the lst troll. Sucks to be you.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
It doesn’t surprise me a bit to see more and more problems with maturity being an issue. That’s the problem with this, “I-want-it-now!” X-box playing, chicken nugget consuming generation. Boys to men at a much later age. SMH
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You nailed it, sir!
August 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Poor Bronco billy, needed his friends to come to his rescue.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Raider Riff?
You’re kind of a follower, aren’t ya?
Waiting for others to post, then agreeing.
Kind of a safe way to post.
Never have to back up your words. And when their words are proven wrong, you go support a different post.
No guts, no glory.
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Yeah, I never have an opinion of my own. You must be new here.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
No it wasn’t, idiot.
It was his decision making process. His throwing into double coverage.
Again, why have all the teams let him go?
Because he bombed, idiot.
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All the teams? He was released from Arizona for his work ethic and character at the time. He wasn’t released from Houston at all, his contract expired, and he followed Knapp here, as Houston is set with Schaub and very happy with Yates who won a playoff game for them. Before you start calling people idiots at least site facts. Leinart didn’t ‘bomb’ in Houston. He was injured, you do realize that happens in a contact sport right.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Raiderinparadise-keep posting,don’t disappear.That is exactly what guys like Alias tries to accomplish-drive any real team talk away.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Bcz24, don’t waste your time, “Raider”Rob, errr, Bronco Billy is a known troll. Gutless troll at that.
August 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Raider Riff?
You’re kind of a follower, aren’t ya?
Waiting for others to post, then agreeing.
Kind of a safe way to post.
Never have to back up your words. And when their words are proven wrong, you go support a different post.
No guts, no glory.
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Yeah, I never have an opinion of my own. You must be new here.
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We all know you put out some original and great posts man, just emotions flyin’ in here today.lol
August 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Guest123 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
It doesn’t surprise me a bit to see more and more problems with maturity being an issue. That’s the problem with this, “I-want-it-now!” X-box playing, chicken nugget consuming generation. Boys to men at a much later age. SMH
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Arrested development of a superstar entertainer is nothing new. Ive spent my time around plenty and if you or I lived the life they did, we’d have a hard time growing up too. It just comes with the territory.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
413.lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
CW-the fan base,at least on here,doesn’t think much of Myers.Yet he was kept over both Miller and Boss.Sure it would be nice to have a Graham at the position,but I believe Myers is better than given credit for and agree with you that he deserves to start.
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Miller and Boss were jettisoned for monetary reasons, not because Brandon Meyers is better than they are.
I agree he deserves to start… over Ausberry and Gordon. That doesn’t make him anything special. He is one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind if you ask me.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Quickly on the subject of Leinert, lst coming in, his passes looked like balloons out there. I was really shocked at his lack of arm strength. But that is something he worked very hard at training with MMA guys and others, and it certainly shows. There is nothing wrong with his decision making or accuracy like Bronco Billy posted.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
No it wasn’t, idiot.
It was his decision making process. His throwing into double coverage.
Again, why have all the teams let him go?
Because he bombed, idiot.
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Leinert has had 8 starts in the last four years. He bombed? Once again, SOS, what is your team? You’re flailing in the deep end son.
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Too easy.
Ya, idiot. He bombed. When you go from starting 11 games in your first season, to 8 starts in 4 years?
To you that’s good?
IDIOT.
td/int sucks.
qb rating is less than mediocre.
passing % less than mediocre.
again, you are basically an idiot.
Obviously
August 29th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
What is your team Bronco Billy? don’t be a gutless POS your whole life. Tell us..
August 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Leinert has had 8 starts in the last four years. He bombed? Once again, SOS, what is your team? You’re flailing in the deep end son.
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Too easy.
Ya, idiot. He bombed. When you go from starting 11 games in your first season, to 8 starts in 4 years?
To you that’s good?
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Who said it was good? I was stating a fact. He has had 8 starts in four years. You have a problem with reading comprehension and facts don’t you? It’s OK. There are adult reading classes in most towns across the country. Check out the ones in Denver.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
True BCZ,but no real effort was made to keep either one so the powers that be must have felt Myers was able to step in and take their place.Miller was offered a take it or leave it deal and Boss wasn’t even offered the chance to redo his contract.As I said getting an upgrade would be nice,but the position isn’t a huge concern.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Seymour put the keyboard down before your mom walks in on you.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Too easy.
Ya, idiot. He bombed. When you go from starting 11 games in your first season, to 8 starts in 4 years?
To you that’s good?
IDIOT.
td/int sucks.
qb rating is less than mediocre.
passing % less than mediocre.
again, you are basically an idiot.
Obviously
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You Mean TOO STUPID. Leinerts lst year in the league he was statistically as good or even slightly better than Manning. He suffered an injury and the Cardinals started Warner. He also suffered an injury last year. Sucks to be you Bronco Billy.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Seymour put the keyboard down before your mom walks in on you.
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Jamista! We signed a CB who played for the Browns. What do you know about him?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Someone get this mental patient an oxygen tank before he short circuits.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
No, you’re a lying sack of sh** that is not a Raider fan you gutless POS. Why don’t you come clean like that other loser and tell us really what team you root for, Bronco Billy.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think he was released by the Seahawks you Fktard.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Jamista! We signed a CB who played for the Browns. What do you know about him?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RaiderRob Says: Now, back to my challenge. Show me one post you say gives you the idea I’m a fan of either of those teams./////////I’d like to take that challenge,BaiterBob, but i can’t find a post like that. Can’t find a post indicating you’re a fan of the Raiders,either.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
BTW,BCZ,I believe Myers is a better all around TE than either Miller or Boss-at least at this point in time.They were better receivers but Myers is a far superior blocker than either one of them.Actually if Gordon proves he can catch consistently it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t unseat Myers at some point.Or if Ausberry suddenly becomes a decent blocker,he could also.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think he was released by the Seahawks you Fktard.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Jamista! We signed a CB who played for the Browns. What do you know about him?
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Was on the Browns in ‘09 & ‘10..
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Peymour why are you so bent out of shape today did your mum hide your lunchable?
Was it the bologna or turkey & cheese ?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Can’t wait for week 1 ! How many INTS will Palmer throw ? Maybe 2 0r 3 ?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
GAME 1 IS IN 11 DAYS ….
*We have 3 healthy WR’s (Criner/Streater/DHB) and Roscoe Parrish …. THAT’S IT !!! moore and ford hurt.
*We have a back-up Center looking to start over hurt Lil Wiz
*Curry looking to be out so a 3rd rounder LB from a 3-3-5 defense at SDSU is looking to start
and all you can talk about it is ?????????????????
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Again, he was released by the Seahawks.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think he was released by the Seahawks you Fktard.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Jamista! We signed a CB who played for the Browns. What do you know about him?
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Was on the Browns in ‘09 & ‘10..
August 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Oops. Should have caught up. Seymour already taking BaiterBob to the woodshed.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
With Leinart’s injury being to his non throwing hand, shouldn’t he be able to play anyway?
Is it just an issue with getting the snap cleanly?; or holding on to the ball if gets hit?
It was described as a “lacerated” finger, which is a step up from a “cut” finger.
You think of all these injuries to Leinart and I think of Brett Favre and how he basically started every damn game for 16 yrs.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Again, he was released by the Seahawks.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I think he was released by the Seahawks you Fktard.
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Jamista! We signed a CB who played for the Browns. What do you know about him?
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Was on the Browns in ‘09 & ‘10..
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Well if your getting THAT technical, he was waived.
Not released.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
431.lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
True BCZ,but no real effort was made to keep either one so the powers that be must have felt Myers was able to step in and take their place.Miller was offered a take it or leave it deal and Boss wasn’t even offered the chance to redo his contract.As I said getting an upgrade would be nice,but the position isn’t a huge concern.
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Miller was not offered a take it or leave it deal, he wasn’t offered anything, we couldn’t match the offer Seattle made, and clearly we weren’t ok with Meyers as our starter because we signed Boss to replace Miller. Boss spent the better portion of last year injured, and under utilized, so we got rid of his $4 mill cap # and the whole plan was to see what Ausberry and Gordon could contribute. They were the intended starters, with Meyers playing the veteran depth… neither could seize the position Meyers is starting by default.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
GAME 1 IS IN 11 DAYS ….
*We have 3 healthy WR’s (Criner/Streater/DHB) and Roscoe Parrish …. THAT’S IT !!! moore and ford hurt.
*We have a back-up Center looking to start over hurt Lil Wiz
*Curry looking to be out so a 3rd rounder LB from a 3-3-5 defense at SDSU is looking to start
and all you can talk about it is ?????????????????
August 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Waived = Released
August 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Super Charged Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Can’t wait for week 1 ! How many INTS will Palmer throw ? Maybe 2 0r 3 ?
With that horrendous Oline, how many sacks is Rivers going to take? Maybe 4, or 5?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
445.DJ Johnny Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
With Leinart’s injury being to his non throwing hand, shouldn’t he be able to play anyway?
Is it just an issue with getting the snap cleanly?; or holding on to the ball if gets hit?
It was described as a “lacerated” finger, which is a step up from a “cut” finger.
You think of all these injuries to Leinart and I think of Brett Favre and how he basically started every damn game for 16 yrs.
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They said after it happened that Leinart COULD play if needed. They chose to use the time to get Pryor some extra reps.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
With Leinart’s injury being to his non throwing hand, shouldn’t he be able to play anyway?
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yup.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Allen said of Wiz getting the starting C pos back-nothings promised.
The WRs could be a problem as they haven’t had many practice reps.
It isn’t a sure thing Curry would have kept his job to begin with and when we play nickel def. the rookie comes off the field.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Peymour why are you so bent out of shape today did your mum hide your lunchable?
Was it the bologna or turkey & cheese ?
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Sorry, but I don’t know what a lunchable is. But I can tell from your post it must be like Prime Rib to you. Beats the rancid stuff you find in your dumpster I guess. Can’t you get a meal at the St. Vincent DePaul or something?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
With that horrendous Oline, how many sacks is Rivers going to take? Maybe 4, or 5?
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Since we will be up 21-0 off 3 Palmer INT returns for TDs , it really won’t matter how many sacks … lol
August 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Waived = Released
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If you are not a vested veteran, you are waived, and thereby subject to be claimed within the first 24 hours. Veterans are released, and immediately free to negotiate with any team.
He was waived.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I’m outro gents
August 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DJ Johnny. Lacerated, cut- same thing. Yes, he could play.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Why are Raiders “settling” on Myers when it’s clear to almost everybody he is average/below average at a position that the OC has said is absloutely VITAL to the success of his offense?
Especially when Reg is still sitting on 7 mill.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Why are Raiders “settling” on Myers when it’s clear to almost everybody he is average/below average at a position that the OC has said is absloutely VITAL to the success of his offense?
Especially when Reg is still sitting on 7 mill.
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Where is there an upgrade?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
DJ Johnny Says: Especially when Reg is still sitting on 7 mill.///////////Next round of cuts should be of higher quality players, by and large.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Dennis the Menace,
The Seahawks departed ways with Francies not the Clev Browns and the Oak Raiders picked him up.
Now go play with yourself you moron.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I believe we did offer Miller a contract.However it makes little difference.He was a restricted FA and we choose not to meet what Seattle offered.We don’t disagree on Boss.He had a contract,we didn’t like it so instead of trying to renegotiate it we cut him.The fact is both Miller and Boss were allowed to leave and Myers is still here.He is a better all around TE than either of them NOW.What is your argument?I’ve stated it would be nice to upgrade.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
458.Intrepid Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DJ Johnny. Lacerated, cut- same thing. Yes, he could play.
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“Lacerated” just sounds so much more serious. Like his finger is hanging on by frail blood vessel or something.
Ok. What’s the issue then?
I’d like to see him out there against Seattle tom. night.
Guys talking about Leinart being pretty good this preseason but we really haven’t seen much of him at all.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Dennis the Menace,
The Seahawks departed ways with Francies not the Clev Browns and the Oak Raiders picked him up.
Now go play with yourself you moron.
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Who said the Browns did?
I merely stated that he has indeed played for the Browns.
And he was WAIVED by the Seahawks, then CLAIMED ON WAIVERS by the Raiders.
Sorry you feel the need to make up for something by name calling.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Dennis the Menace,
The Seahawks departed ways with Francies not the Clev Browns and the Oak Raiders picked him up.
Now go play with yourself you moron.
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Jamista I can see you are making new friends in here! Good for you. Maybe I can find some lunchables to send you! I am sure dem der’s good eeetin’s!
August 29th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Ok. What’s the issue then?
I’d like to see him out there against Seattle tom. night.///////////Did I miss something? Is he supposed to sit out? Thats what I get for trying to get some work done.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Why are Raiders “settling” on Myers when it’s clear to almost everybody he is average/below average at a position that the OC has said is absloutely VITAL to the success of his offense?
Especially when Reg is still sitting on 7 mill.
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They knew they could not upgrade every necessary position this lst year. Clearly this is a “building” process. I think the org wanted to take a look at Myers, Ausberry and Gordon before they did anything. The surprise really has been Gordon. He has shown better hands than any of us thought.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“Lacerated” just sounds so much more serious. Like his finger is hanging on by frail blood vessel or something.
Ok. What’s the issue then?
I’d like to see him out there against Seattle tom. night.
Guys talking about Leinart being pretty good this preseason but we really haven’t seen much of him at all.
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I could be wrong, but it was a pretty deep gash. I’m not sure if it needed stitches or not. Either way having to take snaps with that hand could be tricky if it wasn’t healed enough.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
No it wasn’t, idiot.
It was his decision making process. His throwing into double coverage.
Again, why have all the teams let him go?
Because he bombed, idiot.
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All the teams? He was released from Arizona for his work ethic and character at the time. He wasn’t released from Houston at all, his contract expired, and he followed Knapp here, as Houston is set with Schaub and very happy with Yates who won a playoff game for them. Before you start calling people idiots at least site facts. Leinart didn’t ‘bomb’ in Houston. He was injured, you do realize that happens in a contact sport right.
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Also recall him getting bichslapped by us, and his ugly horrible play got him benched.
Guess you forgot that.
And his contract expired, and wasn’t resigned.
To you that’s a plus?
No, means they didn’t want him back.
Easy math
August 29th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
i think it’s clear parrish and francies were picked up to return kicks. with ford and moore out, no one has stepped up. i’m surprised they don’t go with mccann b/c he has had success there but maybe they don’t plan on keeping him after all.
parrish has been a good punt returner and both he and DA have stated bluntly that punt returning is why he’s here.
francies returned 3 kicks for 66 yards for seattle so i guess that is enough for him to get a serious look there tomorrow. not sure why he would be better than mccann though.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Oakglenn? You are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you, Seymour?
Things never change, lol.
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Seymour is Oakglenn?
hahahaha
No wonder you are easy pickins, Seymour.
So, you’re a crossposter?
And you stupidly claim that I’m first a KC fan, then a bronco fan?
Because you do it, everyone does?
Don’t think so, idiot.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
The return game for us has been atrocious. We need some spark. Ford has been awful back there.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Bronco Billy did your mom soothe your frazzled nerves? Now you want another beating from me?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Come on Oakglenn.
Explain your baffling brain fart below.
Either cop to the fact you are an idiot, or you easily confuse yourself.
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RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
WHICH IS IT, YOU IDIOT?
First you say KC is my team.
Next post the Bronco’s are my team??
Again, IDIOT, which is it?
You’re kind of clueless, aren’t you?
And obviously easy to jack up.
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
You’re talking about Matt Cassell from your team the KC Cheats right “Raider”Rob?
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Actually you are the contradiction. Putting “Raider” in your Broncoesque posts.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
well now the raiders find themselves in quite a quandary with two of the most polarizing figures in uniform and both playing the same position at that. buckle your seat belts kids this could be a wild ride to rebuild ville.
carson palmer is either loved or despised by most in the fan base. seen as a franchise elite qb by those that look at some of his past achievements ( 2006 in particular was an elite level year), or a washed up mistake prone qb stumbling toward an ugly end for those that look at his current production and project forward.
Whats important to keep in mind is that palmer is a hold over from the last regime, and in know way is guaranteed to stick through the rebuild. Just like new owners want their own gm, the new gm wants his own coach, and the coach wants his own qb. we have seen this play out before here in Oakland. palmers recent struggles are not lost on the front office and coaches even if they say all of the right things to dismiss them in public. palmer will get the benefit of he doubt being a pro of 10 years, but he must perform well or may not make it to the end of the year as the starter. he will need to prove to the new brain trust that he is the answer moving forward. so far he is doing the opposite.
terrel pryor is also a guy that elicits a strong response simply with the mention of his name. he is either a tebow clone that will never make it as an nfl qb, and a tight end waiting to happen, or a unique once in a life time talent with limitless upside. pryor also wasnt a part of the new regimes draft or signings. he too must prove that he belongs.
How will this play out? Id say look to last years broncos for clues. new coach comes in with orton who was a hold over. orton played ok but the team lost its first 4-5 games. the crowd wanted to see what tebow could do the coaches did as well and the rest was history.
elway fox orton tebow, are akin to big mck da palmer and pryor in this scenario. If palmer does not play well enough to lead the team to wins early in th season he may get the same treatment orton suffered, in favor of the raw rookie qb with the difficult to gauge ceiling.
After all D.A was there when the tebow show caught fire and im sure after seeing tebow up close and personal he is best suited to make any comparisons between pryor and the a fore mentioned.
There are how ever two things that pryor has that give him an edge. Pryor is a better passer than tebow at this stage of his career, stronger arm, better mechanics ( not saying much here), more accurate. pryor is far better athlete, tebow is more of a power runner, pryor has that but also speed to burn. the biggest thisng hge has going for him however is the raiders are the fastest team in football. the wr’s and rbs are speed demons and coupled with pryor will give him much more to work with than tebow ever had in dungver.
This could get really interesting really fast, because if palmer flops the calls for pryor will begin, and D.A and big mck may just listen.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Are you wearing one of those “cool” orange bronco barrels right now while you post Bronco billy?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Too easy.
Ya, idiot. He bombed. When you go from starting 11 games in your first season, to 8 starts in 4 years?
To you that’s good?
IDIOT.
td/int sucks.
qb rating is less than mediocre.
passing % less than mediocre.
again, you are basically an idiot.
Obviously
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You Mean TOO STUPID. Leinerts lst year in the league he was statistically as good or even slightly better than Manning. He suffered an injury and the Cardinals started Warner. He also suffered an injury last year. Sucks to be you Bronco Billy.
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Again, am I a KC fan? Or a bronco fan? you idiot. You can’t even remember what you post.
And doofus? You call yourself a Raider fan? WAS THE PRESEASON WEEK 3 GAME, AGAINST THE RAIDERS, THAT AZ BENCHED MATT FOR WARNER, YOU IDIOT.
Too easy, Oakglenn.
Everyone says how easy it is making you their bich.
Obviously they are right.
In less than an hour, I made you mine.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
well now the raiders find themselves in quite a quandary with two of the most polarizing figures in uniform and both playing the same position at that. buckle your seat belts kids this could be a wild ride to rebuild ville.
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Actually, we don’t. See, that was the problem with Pryor having a decent few plays against scrubs. Certain fans are going to call for benching Palmer and putting in Pryor. That would be asinine on a ton of levels. There is NO WAY Pryor is ready for prime time. Sorry. The best thing for Pryor and the franchise is for them to Aaron Rodgers him and let him sit for three years and watch.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
It should NOT be so. WE have more new starters on defense, and not as good of players overall.
But it will – and I will tell you why.
You listen to the head coach and DC talk about the defensive players and they talk about watching what they do and working out schemes to maximize on their best talents. They creatively adjust their schemes to make the most out of the players they have.
The OC talks about trying to get the players to fit into his scheme. The offense then isn’t made to fit what the players do best. So they’ll be uncomfortable, look bad, timing will be off etc. like the defense was last year. Our running game might not be so bad, but our passing game will look out of sync. And then everybody will blame our WRs or blame palmer. It’s nothing new for Knapp though – he just can’t think with encorporating an offense to fit the strengths of the players. It was something good Hue did (maybe one of the few good things).
So, suddenly our defense will be greatly improved and we’ll be pulling our hair out about the offense. Not like it’ll drop to the very bottom of the league. But drives will stall, points harder to come by etc. And we’ll be like – “damned if we could include last year’s offense (even with all the starters injured most of the year) with this year’s defense we’d be super bowl contenders.”
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Are you still melting down Bronco Billy? Sucks to be you. I guess I broke his brain.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
The return game for us has been atrocious. We need some spark. Ford has been awful back there.
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You’re not wrong Oakglen.
It has been and he has been.
I really hope that Ford is not going the way of Johnny Lee-get hit bad and then fold-because I really like that little guy.
He has to step up though and do what he did before on those returns.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Don’t try and change the subject, Oakglenn.
How can you think you have any credibility, with anyone, when you immediately claim I’m a KC fan.
AND THEN ON YOUR NEXT POST, CLAIM I’M A DENVER FAN??
Can you explain it?
If it will help, I’ll keep asking until you figure it out.
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
You’re talking about Matt Cassell from your team the KC Cheats right “Raider”Rob?
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Actually you are the contradiction. Putting “Raider” in your Broncoesque posts.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Poor Bronco Billy. Call your mom again and see if she can get the chocolate out of your number 7 Elway jersey.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
He’s melting, melting, melting……
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Our defense will have to more than do it’s part, until the O gets in sync.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
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How the hell is that bold?!
The defense is clearly playing well.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Mystic post 476. The Offensive coaching staff likes Lienart more than Pryor and if they changed to bring in “their guy” it would be him.
He would probably do better in the offense because he fits more with what Knapp is doing.
Is he a better QB? No, but he would run this offense probably better which should tell you something.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Bronco Billy you have now gone from a 3 Mile Island to a full on Chernobyl. Call your mom. Maybe she can make you a chocolate milk.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Oh, I get it.
This is where Oakglenn gets pummeled, and he’s reduced to making his childish little goofy mama takes.
Gee, why does that sound familiar?
Prob cuz you do the same when Brown beats you senseless?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
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How the hell is that bold?!
The defense is clearly playing well.
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It’s bold because the defense was #32 in the league last year, and the offense was in the top 1/3rd.
And, because we lost more talent than we gained probably on defense. What we gained was mostly in smart coaches.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
LOL. Even England knows you are Oakglenn, Seymour.
Too easy.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Everyone knows Seymour was Oakglenn, along with a dozen other handles.
Who cares? It’s like picking ona kid.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Actually, we don’t. See, that was the problem with Pryor having a decent few plays against scrubs. Certain fans are going to call for benching Palmer and putting in Pryor. That would be asinine on a ton of levels. There is NO WAY Pryor is ready for prime time. Sorry. The best thing for Pryor and the franchise is for them to Aaron Rodgers him and let him sit for three years and watch.
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Hopefully Pryor will get no more playing time . I love to see the INT MACHINE Carson Palmer play on Sundays !It is a for sure turnover !
August 29th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Guys stop trippin on Carson.
Season’s about to start, and he’s our qb, through thick and thin.
That’s what preseason is for. To get out the bugs.
More worried about the receiving corp.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Why are Raiders “settling” on Myers when it’s clear to almost everybody he is average/below average at a position that the OC has said is absloutely VITAL to the success of his offense?
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Well, let’s see.
He’s no Zach Miller but Myers is a good blocking tight end and the best one right now that we’ve got.
What do you suggest McKenzie does?
See if Dave Caspers available?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
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You make a good argument. But with regards to the offense, we have not had our number two receiver out there at all, nor our “starting” TE til last game. No OC in his right mind is going to run Dmac more than a handful of plays, if that and our number two AND three backs have barely played. Our number three receiver has been horrible. We are playing a couple of guys who not only have never played with our O before, they have never even been in an NFL game before. Marcel Reece has barley gotten a sniff and there are reasons for that. And if that is not enough, our starting center has not even played one half. Right there I give the O a bit of a mulligan going into the season opener.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Good to see you and your gay lover are here together again Bronco Billy.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RaydaSwagger Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Everyone knows Seymour was Oakglenn, along with a dozen other handles.
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I wish I was Oakglenn. And other than you, Who cares?
August 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Raider Riff Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Bcz24 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Starting qb is maligned pretty much everywhere as a qb who has issues after issues, pretty much his whole career, and going into the season looking out of sorts.
backup qb not only can’t stay off of IR, but when he’s on the field, he’s mediocre at best.
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What exactly about Leinarts play has been ‘mediocre’ thus far? He has played nearly flawless football this preseason. Were it an open competition Matt Leinart would be your day 1 starter.
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There is some truth to this statement.
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There’s a lot truth in that statement. Lenart would run Coach “I try to fit square pegs in a round hole” Knapp’s offense better. He isn’t a better QB. Not nearly the same arm, but he is better rolling out and has more accuracy in the timing of short throws.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
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How the hell is that bold?!
The defense is clearly playing well.
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It’s bold because the defense was #32 in the league last year, and the offense was in the top 1/3rd.
And, because we lost more talent than we gained probably on defense. What we gained was mostly in smart coaches.
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Well sure Maverick, if you had said that at the end of the year it would have been bold.
In the first three pre-season games it is clear that the defense has greatly improved which is exactly what we expected from Allen.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I love to see the INT MACHINE
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You are referring to Phillip Rivers right? Guess what’s going to happen to him Monday night with that POS left side of the Oline they have.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Outtro. I will be back soon. Clean up in aisle 7. Some one needs to mop up what’s left of bronco billy.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
LMFAO
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Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I wish I was Oakglenn.
August 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
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You make a good argument. But with regards to the offense, we have not had our number two receiver out there at all, nor our “starting” TE til last game. No OC in his right mind is going to run Dmac more than a handful of plays, if that and our number two AND three backs have barely played. Our number three receiver has been horrible. We are playing a couple of guys who not only have never played with our O before, they have never even been in an NFL game before. Marcel Reece has barley gotten a sniff and there are reasons for that. And if that is not enough, our starting center has not even played one half. Right there I give the O a bit of a mulligan going into the season opener.
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We didn’t have our starting 2 WRs for much of last season or DMac and threw in a starting QB from the couch without even time to learn the playbook and it still looked better last year.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
LMAO !! glad to see we are ALL freinds here !!!
August 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
LOL. Even England knows you are Oakglenn, Seymour.
Too easy.
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“Even England”… why don’t you go screw yourself moron?
August 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I can’t see how a Charger fan can be all that confident. I pick them for last in the AFC West.
Third if KC melts down.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
LaDainian Tomlinson has joined NFL network as an analyst.
He will fit right in with the rest of the Raider haters and blowhards on that network
Let the haters hate, while we watch the wins pile up
August 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I will make a bold statement here – the defense will be better than our offense this year.
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You know, I read your first sentence and made a comment but actually your whole comment is really pretty good,
August 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Test. My posts are going to the twilight zone.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Whut up beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyotches!
August 29th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
LMAO !! glad to see we are ALL freinds here !!!
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Yeah, this place is beyond help at the moment.
Usually there are a couple good members and we can have a decent chat. And only one class idiot trying to still the crap.
But at this very moment, the idiots out number the quality semis. Im here to talk football, not deal with trolls. Later gents.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Twocents Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I can’t see how a Charger fan can be all that confident. I pick them for last in the AFC West.
Third if KC melts down.
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Weiche was on the radio down here yesterday and also predicted SD to finish last.
They days of SD winning the division are over. The window has closed.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
How about them Baggies!
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ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderRob Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
LOL. Even England knows you are Oakglenn, Seymour.
Too easy.
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“Even England”… why don’t you go screw yourself moron?
August 29th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RaiderRob—where did u come from? i’ve never seen u before the last few days.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I believe we did offer Miller a contract.However it makes little difference.He was a restricted FA and we choose not to meet what Seattle offered.
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You’re right Lefty but this still burns me because Al tried to low-ball Miller and his agent and that lost us Miller.
But who cares, its done and over.
Go Raiders.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Test. My posts are going to the twilight zone.
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Well, listen 99. Some of them belong there maybe but a lot of them make a whole lot of sense.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Whut up gents? The Dolts window has closed just like the Cowgirls did, a good whop to Phillip should seal the deal.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Our tight ends suck balls..i hope we can pick someone up on saturday… myers stinks.. hes always dropping balls . Very unreliable hands..
August 29th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RaiderRob Says:
And his contract expired, and wasn’t resigned.
To you that’s a plus?
No, means they didn’t want him back.
Easy math/////////////Michael Bush, Jason Campbell, Trevor Howard, Zach Miller, Kamerion Wimbly, Contract expired. Nnamdi-voided. Not resigned. Easy math. Scrubs, scrubs, all of them scrubs, I tell ya.
August 29th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I think Myers is decent and has earned time as a starter, although we all agree he’s a catch and fall type of TE with no hops at all.
August 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
476.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
well now the raiders find themselves in quite a quandary with two of the most polarizing figures in uniform and both playing the same position at that. buckle your seat belts kids this could be a wild ride to rebuild ville.
carson palmer is either loved or despised by most in the fan base. seen as a franchise elite qb by those that look at some of his past achievements ( 2006 in particular was an elite level year), or a washed up mistake prone qb stumbling toward an ugly end for those that look at his current production and project forward.
Whats important to keep in mind is that palmer is a hold over from the last regime, and in know way is guaranteed to stick through the rebuild. Just like new owners want their own gm, the new gm wants his own coach, and the coach wants his own qb. we have seen this play out before here in Oakland. palmers recent struggles are not lost on the front office and coaches even if they say all of the right things to dismiss them in public. palmer will get the benefit of he doubt being a pro of 10 years, but he must perform well or may not make it to the end of the year as the starter. he will need to prove to the new brain trust that he is the answer moving forward. so far he is doing the opposite.
terrel pryor is also a guy that elicits a strong response simply with the mention of his name. he is either a tebow clone that will never make it as an nfl qb, and a tight end waiting to happen, or a unique once in a life time talent with limitless upside. pryor also wasnt a part of the new regimes draft or signings. he too must prove that he belongs.
How will this play out? Id say look to last years broncos for clues. new coach comes in with orton who was a hold over. orton played ok but the team lost its first 4-5 games. the crowd wanted to see what tebow could do the coaches did as well and the rest was history.
elway fox orton tebow, are akin to big mck da palmer and pryor in this scenario. If palmer does not play well enough to lead the team to wins early in th season he may get the same treatment orton suffered, in favor of the raw rookie qb with the difficult to gauge ceiling.
After all D.A was there when the tebow show caught fire and im sure after seeing tebow up close and personal he is best suited to make any comparisons between pryor and the a fore mentioned.
There are how ever two things that pryor has that give him an edge. Pryor is a better passer than tebow at this stage of his career, stronger arm, better mechanics ( not saying much here), more accurate. pryor is far better athlete, tebow is more of a power runner, pryor has that but also speed to burn. the biggest thisng hge has going for him however is the raiders are the fastest team in football. the wr’s and rbs are speed demons and coupled with pryor will give him much more to work with than tebow ever had in dungver.
This could get really interesting really fast, because if palmer flops the calls for pryor will begin, and D.A and big mck may just listen.
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More like OC Knapp should be the one replaced!
August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
520.ghostraiders Says:
August 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Our tight ends suck balls..i hope we can pick someone up on saturday… myers stinks.. hes always dropping balls . Very unreliable hands..
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We need a TE and a backup power RB.
August 31st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Nick Miller wasn’t so bad after all compared to Parrish’s performance…last night. Right RR? lol