Four recently UDAs make roster; Curry left on PUP
By Steve Corkran
Friday, August 31st, 2012 at 9:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders pared 22 players from their roster Friday night in the final mandatory cutdown. One gets the sense that general manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are far from finished shaping the roster in advance of the regular-season opener.
As expected, the Raiders kept veteran outside linebacker Aaron Curry on the physically unable to perform list as a result of his sore knees. Beyond that, there wasn’t any real surprise among the moves.
Perhaps more surprising, the Raiders kept cornerback Coye Francies, who was signed Wednesday, and ended up with four recently undrafted free agents making the team – wide receiver Rod Streater, guard Lucas Nix, defensive tackle Jamie Cumbie (2011) and linebacker Carl Ihenacho (2010).
Curry is ineligible to practice or play in any regular-season games for the first six weeks of the season. He can be activated during a 21-day window beyond the first six weeks.
Curry has not practiced for more than two months. Allen was hopeful that Curry’s knees would respond to treatments from a specialist in Southern California. To no avail.
As a result, rookie Miles Burris is slated to being the season in Curry’s place as the starting weak-side linebacker.
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
Based on the way the Raiders reserves played Thursday night in the team’s exhibition finale, it’s likely the Raiders can find a few upgrades from the more than 1,000 players purged from rosters leaguewide this week.
Few of Oakland’s projected starters played beyond the opening offensive and defensive series. Hence, the projected backups and roster hopefuls got plenty of playing time.
Allen wasn’t thrilled by much of what he saw, he said.
“That’s been a concern, the depth on our roster,” Allen said. “It just reconfirmed that we have to upgrade the bottom half of the roster because depth is a concern.”
Linebacker Nathan Stupar is the only member of Oakland’s 2012 draft class that didn’t make the 53-man roster despite shining against the Seahawks on Thursday night, Allen said.
“It’s been a little bit of an up-and-down deal with Nate,” Allen said before cuts were announced, “but he came out (Thursday) and played and acted like he wanted to try to get a spot on this roster.”
Apparently, it was a case of too little, too late for Stupar. Now, he has to hope he clears waivers and the Raiders decide to sign him to their practice squad.
Teams are permitted to sign as many as eight players to their practice squad once the waiver period has ended Saturday.
In other news, Allen said the handful of players who have been injured for more than a week worked out Friday. Therefore, he is hopeful that some or all of them will be healthy enough to play in the regular-season opener Sept. 10.
That list includes wide receivers Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore, center Stefen Wisniewski and defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
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August 31st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
List of Players Who Shouldn’t Get Too Comfortable:
Jamie Cumbie
Coye Francies
Lucas Nix
Cumbie and Nix could easily be re-signed to the PS if they’re bumped off the roster for someone else.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Impressive players don’t get cut.
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YoungAmerican Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
If the Raiders are still looking to add a DE/OLB, Adrian Hamilton was cut by the Cowboys. He was impressive this preseason.
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Kind of simplistic there. Plenty of good young players don’t make a roster their first time around. Depends entirely on the situation.
For Dallas, it was a numbers game at linebacker. Had plenty, and Hamilton lost out. Another team will pick him up.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Mr Greens’ repost
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Mr Green Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
[repost from earlier post]
RegMac is bold. Keeping King is smart. But keeping the OC is unbold.
Like I said in my post game report live from Seattle last night, I’ll repeat, I want to see the Raidahs butt roast the chargers to dispell any doubt that Knapp is screwing up the offense. A butt roast is a must. A flat out roasting. Nothing less will be satisfactory.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Saints have 5 tailbacks on roster and DA has major ties to the team. Maybe Reggie working on something for Pierre Thomas or Chris Ivory?
Also backup center/guard Matt Tennant was waived. A pretty solid player IMO.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
List of Players Who Shouldn’t Get Too Comfortable:
Jamie Cumbie
Coye Francies
Lucas Nix
Cumbie and Nix could easily be re-signed to the PS if they’re bumped off the roster for someone else.
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Agreed….I would add Seymour to the list…looked horrible this pre season….and “HE” knows it!
I don’t feel sorry for him….he is robbing us…do yourself and the sport a favor a RETIRE #92….go out with some respect!
August 31st, 2012 at 9:29 pm
If Seymour takes the $$$ he is going to make this year and only plays 20-25 snaps a game this he should be regarded as a thief..
PERIOD….
August 31st, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I thought Francies played a fast and somewhat physical corner in limited action. Good to see him stick. Wouldn’t be suprised to see him jump to 4th behind Lee.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Bo will be happy to see that Condo survived yet another cut-down day.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Raiders are thin at LB & TE. They could really use a vet WR but there’s really not anyone out there.
CB is a weakness. Got plenty of them but few with real talent.
Hope they make some moves.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Saints are hurting at CB and they are stockpiled at RB. Might be a Chekwa for Chris Ivory trade coming.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
O-line depth is troubling too…Barksdale doesn’t seem to have developed at all.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
McGee
Stupar
Hamilton
Practice squad
August 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pete-prisco/20000720/all-cut-team-youth-is-served–
August 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Saints are hurting at CB and they are stockpiled at RB. Might be a Chekwa for Chris Ivory trade coming.
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Very interesting prospect indeed.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
If our organization is scrambling to sign other teams trash then we are truly in trouble…
I’d like to think they are happy with the men they have and are ready to move forward.
We have had an entire off season to acquire talent….any addition to the team at this point is merely crack filler…
I can see us signing another DB and LB in the next day or so….but these additions won’t bring much to the table…
We are who we are…RAIDERS….
Time to focus on what we have, not what we do not have…at this point….it is the only way to proceed…
August 31st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Can Condo back up at OT…Lol.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
anybody know who Allen has in mind for our punt returner?
August 31st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
J Hill Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
McGee
Stupar
Hamilton
Practice squad
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Add in Nix and Cumbie (when we sign another couple of cuts), and that still leaves three spots. I’d like to see Reggie sign a nose tackle, given that both Hebron Fangupo and Nicholas-Jean Baptiste both got the axe, but Reggie may or may not feel that either’s worth developing.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
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not very assuring. But hey, one mans trash is another mans treasure.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
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hope they spend an inordinate amount of time scouring a game plan, because the WCO and ZBS suck. it dont work. preseason proved that.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
17.Baking Soda Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
anybody know who Allen has in mind for our punt returner?
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Anyone with sure hands and a helmet.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
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coaches, coach who you got up. period.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
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you got your 53 guys. move on now.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
If our organization is scrambling to sign other teams trash then we are truly in trouble…
I’d like to think they are happy with the men they have and are ready to move forward.
We have had an entire off season to acquire talent….any addition to the team at this point is merely crack filler…
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Reggie was absolutely throttled by a horrid salary cap situation that limited who he could bring in. By the time he got out from under it, all the decent vets had been signed. There’s no shame is looking at some player who just got cut and realizing he’s better than one of our backups.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Baking Soda Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
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coaches, coach who you got up. period.
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EXACTLY
August 31st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Don’t count on any starters being found on the wire. Backups perhaps. OL, maybe a RB, a LB. that’s what we’re looking for boys. And one of those CB’s could be dealt.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I have a feeling they kept King as trade bait.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
91 crawford made the team? Really?
Showed NADA on preseason action.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
morilla Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I have a feeling they kept King as trade bait.
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more likely to get a better return with than the waiver wire. interesting.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
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thats not reassuring at all. Just tell us your proceeding to game plan against the chargers.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Morilla Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I have a feeling they kept King as trade bait.
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Trade bait? He’s out for the year. Maybe they kept either because they’re thinking Lechler may not have long left, or maybe Lechler’s agent is playing hardball and Reggie (who loves sending thinly veiled messages) is letting him know that we WILL move on unless The Price is Right.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
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hope the players dont take that as a ‘vote of no confidence’
August 31st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
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could ya maybe start with the offensive cordinator position?
August 31st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Every team in the league is watching the waiver wire, looking for players who can make their team better. Hell, Belichick is known for it. He’s probably the best in the league right now at finding other teams’ castoffs and finding a role for them on his team.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
If our organization is scrambling to sign other teams trash then we are truly in trouble…
I’d like to think they are happy with the men they have and are ready to move forward.
We have had an entire off season to acquire talent….any addition to the team at this point is merely crack filler…
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Reggie was absolutely throttled by a horrid salary cap situation that limited who he could bring in. By the time he got out from under it, all the decent vets had been signed. There’s no shame is looking at some player who just got cut and realizing he’s better than one of our backups.
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I agree he inherited problems that were not of his doing….but this is his job….this is what he has been trained to do….this is what he is PAID to do…
I do love the comment Reggie shared on TV regarding his expectations for the team this year….
Reggie job is to take responsibility. His job is to take the blame if things go poorly….if things go our way…it is then his job to deflect that success.
He is handsomely paid to do a job…a job many would do for FREE.
These guys are PRO’s….coach em up….find a way to take advantage of their strengths….
You guys want the truth….
The key to this season starts and finishes with Greg Knapps ability to adapt his play calling to suit our personnel…
I think he was extremely vanilla this pre season…hope he has some surprises for us….and I think he just might…
August 31st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
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could ya maybe keep that comment to yourself? not good for ticket sales.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
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ouch…..
August 31st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
But to assume some guy who just got cut hours ago is gonna come in here and somehow contribute to this team when he was just let go by a team he sweat for all summer is an extreme long shot….
Focus on what we have, not what we do not…
Every team has holes….time to get ready for San Diego….and find theirs!
August 31st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Meanwhile, a bunch of us (including yours truly) were lobbying for nose tackle Josh Chapman with our first pick. He’s currently on Indy’s Reserve/Non-Football Injury list, which means his knee STILL hasn’t healed. No wonder Reggie brought him in, worked him out, and then didn’t go near him on draft day.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Meanwhile, a bunch of us (including yours truly) were lobbying for nose tackle Josh Chapman with our first pick. He’s currently on Indy’s Reserve/Non-Football Injury list, which means his knee STILL hasn’t healed. No wonder Reggie brought him in, worked him out, and then didn’t go near him on draft day.
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Yep, same here. Kudos to whoever it was who pointed out that if his agent is waiving around a doctor’s note, it’s a bad sign. Wish I could remember who said that so I could give them proper credit. You were right, I was wrong.
August 31st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
But to assume some guy who just got cut hours ago is gonna come in here and somehow contribute to this team when he was just let go by a team he sweat for all summer is an extreme long shot….
Focus on what we have, not what we do not…
Every team has holes….time to get ready for San Diego….and find theirs!
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Entirely depends on the situation. If the issue is merely depth, there’s no reason not to think that a particular street FA could be an improvement over one of the other fringe players on the roster.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Bring it…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjchmXLcPVo
August 31st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Pretty sure that was JFB
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Wish I could remember who said that so I could give them proper credit.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
“Beyond that, there wasn’t any real surprise among the moves.”
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Not unless you consider the ‘termination’ of Parrish a surprise.
There was a certain beat reporter and blogger that had him listed as a ‘lock’.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
J Hill Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Pretty sure that was JFB
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Wish I could remember who said that so I could give them proper credit.
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Entirely possible, yes.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Morilla Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I have a feeling they kept King as trade bait.
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Trade bait? He’s out for the year. Maybe they kept either because they’re thinking Lechler may not have long left, or maybe Lechler’s agent is playing hardball and Reggie (who loves sending thinly veiled messages) is letting him know that we WILL move on unless The Price is Right.
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I didn’t know he was out for the year. I retract my statement.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
“Beyond that, there wasn’t any real surprise among the moves.”
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Not unless you consider the ‘termination’ of Parrish a surprise.
There was a certain beat reporter and blogger that had him listed as a ‘lock’.
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Most of us had him as a lock. Who knew he’d decide to play Hot Potato Thursday night?
August 31st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
But to assume some guy who just got cut hours ago is gonna come in here and somehow contribute to this team when he was just let go by a team he sweat for all summer is an extreme long shot…
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Tend to disagree. there are a bunch of players out there that would not be free agents if the roster wasn’t 53 players. think about it, teams will cut vets in favor of developing rookie draft picks. Can’t tell me there isn’t a recent free agent out there that can contribute next week i.e rock cartwright, drayton florence etc.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
But to assume some guy who just got cut hours ago is gonna come in here and somehow contribute to this team when he was just let go by a team he sweat for all summer is an extreme long shot….
Focus on what we have, not what we do not…
Every team has holes….time to get ready for San Diego….and find theirs!
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Entirely depends on the situation. If the issue is merely depth, there’s no reason not to think that a particular street FA could be an improvement over one of the other fringe players on the roster.
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If depth is an issue than Reggie did not do a good job of providing the correct men in camp….but if our plan was to wait until today to fix this problem then we are in trouble….
If our staff and organizational people couldn’t see that we had depth issues then what the hell are they doing in Alameda…
I thought this was what Reggie did….noticed talent….which should equal depth!
August 31st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
So Goethel and Inecharo are the oly 2 backup LBs????
August 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
It was JFB.
New Mexico’s Nostradanus strikes again.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
If depth is an issue than Reggie did not do a good job of providing the correct men in camp….but if our plan was to wait until today to fix this problem then we are in trouble….
If our staff and organizational people couldn’t see that we had depth issues then what the hell are they doing in Alameda…
I thought this was what Reggie did….noticed talent….which should equal depth!
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Way more players available now than there were a few months ago. There were over 1,000 new free agents today.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I don’t want any excuses from someone hiding behind an alias who works for the Raiders trying to steer this conversation….
It ain’t gonna happen, not today…..
The team is what it is….set sail with the crew and find out who we are and what we can be….
Too many additions at this point only weaken the situation…
We should be hearing how proud we are of the 53 men who made the team….
We should be getting a LIST of the men who made it…not a list of those who have been cut….
Obviously we are planning more moves….this is concerning IMO.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Sorry, not over 1,000. 700+ new FAs.
There are over 1,000 FAs total available.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
I’d be really surprised if that’s all we went with J Hill.
Obviously they think Curry will be good to go in 2 months as well.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
August 31st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
anybody know who Allen has in mind for our punt returner?
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Went sleep as Charger woke up a Raider went back to sleep a FA
August 31st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
If depth is an issue than Reggie did not do a good job of providing the correct men in camp….but if our plan was to wait until today to fix this problem then we are in trouble….
If our staff and organizational people couldn’t see that we had depth issues then what the hell are they doing in Alameda…
I thought this was what Reggie did….noticed talent….which should equal depth!
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Way more players available now than there were a few months ago. There were over 1,000 new free agents today.
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I said it before, I’ll say it again. If this was the plan all along then it is the wrong move. If we start down this road then every year on CUT day we are going to be searching through the trash instead of coaching up and developing the men who our staff and organization were so high on only months prior…
A response is not needed. You are not going to change my mind. I am correct.
Good night Raider Nation.
Onto San Diego!
August 31st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Wen did King get injured?
August 31st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I don’t want any excuses from someone hiding behind an alias who works for the Raiders trying to steer this conversation….
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LOL. That’s a new one.
It’s common sense.
The roster simply isn’t strong enough to not explore any options that might make the team better. Even far more talented teams do that.
The kind of holes this roster had can’t be fixed in one offseason. McKenzie and Allen are doing exactly what they should be doing – constantly evaluating their roster, and making whatever practical moves they can to make the team better. It’s a never-ending process, especially for teams that still have a long way to go to get to where they want to be.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I don’t want any excuses from someone hiding behind an alias who works for the Raiders trying to steer this conversation….
It ain’t gonna happen, not today…..
The team is what it is….set sail with the crew and find out who we are and what we can be….
Too many additions at this point only weaken the situation…
We should be hearing how proud we are of the 53 men who made the team….
We should be getting a LIST of the men who made it…not a list of those who have been cut….
Obviously we are planning more moves….this is concerning IMO.
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August 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Oldschoolraider Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Wen did King get injured?
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Right about when it was explained that we want to keep him around for next year, but can’t really afford to lose the roster or practice squad slot. However, if he were hurt, we’d have to place him on IR, which means he gets his full contract pay (not peanuts, even for a UDFA), and will be in next year’s camp.
The term is “stashing.” The Redskins did this to Mark Rypien and the Cowboys did it to Jim Zorn for two straight seasons each once upon a time.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000056652/article/nfl-roster-cuts-tim-hightower-among-notable-releases?module=HP11_headline_stack
Here is the official roster cut tracker. Now you too can go to work and do what Riggie and Allen do. Forget gameplanning, scour the waiver wire. Dont really see much.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Hightower> Goodson, pick his azz up and then rub it shanohrats face when we in playoffs.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Focus on what we have, not what we do not…
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OK, we have an OC with his head lodged in his sphincter and a 3rd string RB that’s a fumble machine.
What we have is a roster that needs improvement.
The focus shouldn’t be merely on coaching up what we have, but also on improving the roster.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Loads of you dude’s will like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs
August 31st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Every team will always have a roster that needs improvement in some area.
If the focus is improving the roster at this point in the year then we will always be behind the bar instead of setting it….
So what that’s what other teams are doing.
Look at the Athletics baseball team. They don’t follow the way things are done, they do it their own way.
Beat the Sox by 18 runs tonight and have one of the Best Records in baseball. Billy Beane is gonna laugh last, and laugh best.
We have the men on this team to do the job needed in order to compete. We have to believe that. Our organization needs to have faith in the men who they brought in to compete for this roster.
Now is not the time to add to this team.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
No real surprises, the Underwood kid looked good but unfortunately he got injured
August 31st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
“Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true”
-Bodhi, Point Break-
August 31st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I think every lineman should say that to their counterparts before every play. With a straight face.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Intrepid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_eZmEiyTo0
August 31st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Under cover alias Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I don’t want any excuses from someone hiding behind an alias who works for the Raiders trying to steer this conversation….
It ain’t gonna happen, not today…..
The team is what it is….set sail with the crew and find out who we are and what we can be….
Too many additions at this point only weaken the situation…
We should be hearing how proud we are of the 53 men who made the team….
We should be getting a LIST of the men who made it…not a list of those who have been cut….
Obviously we are planning more moves….this is concerning IMO.
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August 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
I figured wrong;
I figured at least one would make 53 man roster:
between LBs Kilgore & Stupar;
I figured correctly that Nix would make 53 man roster; worth keeping around for a couple of years- ceiling very high, could even be a tackle.
also that Ihenacho & Cumbie were locks, we would have lost both and will if either are waived, neither will make it to PS, other teams will claim them in a heartbeat.
August 31st, 2012 at 10:55 pm
#58
on the plane, wink wink
August 31st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Stop saying that!!!
HALLO! MY NAME US INIGO MONTOYA. YOU KILLED MY FATHER. PRE-PARE TO DIE!
August 31st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
I also expect either DVD or Chekwa to be traded still;
PS locks if unclaimed:
Stupar
Kilgore
Hamilton
Sessions
MsGee
C. Miller
August 31st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
biggest surprise: Francies made the cut; coaches must’ve seen something
August 31st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Raidernationdave:
Nice video…however:
“There is no point in making a logical argument with individuals who do not subscribe to logic.”
August 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I just want to the season to begin , I think we have good enough team to win atleast 10 games this year
August 31st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I just want to the season to begin , I think we have good enough team to win atleast 10 games this year
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We can do better than that!
August 31st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I just want to the season to begin , I think we have good enough team to win atleast 10 games this year
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We can do better than that!
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Raidahs vs the Giants in Nawleens.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Intrepid:
/////////////Thanks but Im unfortunatly with DSL so AV doesn’t work so well for me. Can’t even get a porn clip. HaH
August 31st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Mr Green Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I just want to the season to begin , I think we have good enough team to win atleast 10 games this year
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We can do better than that!
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Raidahs vs the Giants in Nawleens.
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Respectfully, one at a time, Mr. Green.
San Diego is all that matters right about now…
August 31st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Try Some Reality, you got it!!!
August 31st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Every team will always have a roster that needs improvement in some area.
If the focus is improving the roster at this point in the year then we will always be behind the bar instead of setting it….
So what that’s what other teams are doing.
Look at the Athletics baseball team. They don’t follow the way things are done, they do it their own way.
Beat the Sox by 18 runs tonight and have one of the Best Records in baseball. Billy Beane is gonna laugh last, and laugh best.
We have the men on this team to do the job needed in order to compete. We have to believe that. Our organization needs to have faith in the men who they brought in to compete for this roster.
Now is not the time to add to this team.
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Your example is a team in a completely different sport. And even then, they’re known for roster turnover and constant evaluation of their players.
Sorry, the Raiders are going to be honest in their evaluations of their players. No amount of “faith” in “their guys” is going to change that. Every player is part of a larger picture, and if another player fits that picture better than the Raiders will do what they need to. Maybe they won’t add anyone. Maybe they’ll add a couple players. Are they going to remake the roster? No. But if they find a player who fits what they do better than one of the fringe players on their roster? They’d be silly not to explore that possibility. Again – this is not a team that is so good they can afford to pass on opportunities to get better.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
A all-out butt roasting and nothing less will suffice against those down trodden and worn out chargers.
Raidahs 38
chargered 10
August 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Mr. Green, why do you want the Giants in our up coming Super Bowl? Or do you just consider them the class of the NFC? I don’t but we’ll beat them if they’re there. Oh yeahya. Code Black.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
King on IR. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Conspiracy Theories Activate!
August 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
JT Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
91 crawford made the team? Really?
Showed NADA on preseason action.
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u weren’t looking hard enuff. this kid plays the run very well. seals the edge. very stout.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says: Respectfully, one at a time, Mr. Green.///////////////////////Mr.Green might be bi-polar.
If so, my prayers are with him.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
biggest surprise: Francies made the cut; coaches must’ve seen something
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probably the same thing i saw. he came up very aggressively and made solid hits against the run, especially for a guy his size. seemed to want to make an impression. made some nice plays on special teams coverage.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I think every lineman should say that to their counterparts before every play. With a straight face.
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I like it.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Crawford flashed a little bit as a pass-rusher too, but needs to be more consistent. He’s a developmental guy, but not bad for depth. Lots of upside. Not sure who else is available at DE, though. The best veteran available was probably Andre Carter, and he’s not quite healthy.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Your example is a team in a completely different sport. And even then, they’re known for roster turnover and constant evaluation of their players.
Sorry, the Raiders are going to be honest in their evaluations of their players. No amount of “faith” in “their guys” is going to change that. Every player is part of a larger picture, and if another player fits that picture better than the Raiders will do what they need to. Maybe they won’t add anyone. Maybe they’ll add a couple players. Are they going to remake the roster? No. But if they find a player who fits what they do better than one of the fringe players on their roster? They’d be silly not to explore that possibility. Again – this is not a team that is so good they can afford to pass on opportunities to get better.
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Good point regarding the Athletics, however, I’m a fan and am proud of them tonight so I thought I’d throw it in there….but you’re right….has nothing to do with the discussion….so I’ll award you a single point….but it’s the only one you get.
You say “WE” are going to be honest in our evaluations of “OUR” players?
When does this radical honesty begin. Today?
Surely we could have been honest before the draft? Surely we could have been honest before OTA’s and mini camp?
So why now?
August 31st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Mr. Green, why do you want the Giants in our up coming Super Bowl? Or do you just consider them the class of the NFC? I don’t but we’ll beat them if they’re there. Oh yeahya. Code Black.
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My firm belief that the Giants will appear in Nawleens is twofold: they have confidence that comes with knowing how to win, and they know how to get hot when its nutt cuttin time.
The Raidahs will gain their confidence in battle, week by week, and become a tough unit that takes them all the way. Allen will wise on to knapp and let Carson call his own plays. After all, CP3 did work out with his players in the off season and knapp wasn’t there.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
I’m not worried as long as we stay healthy
August 31st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
You say “WE” are going to be honest in our evaluations of “OUR” players?
When does this radical honesty begin. Today?
Surely we could have been honest before the draft? Surely we could have been honest before OTA’s and mini camp?
So why now?
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The Raiders DID evaluate before the draft and in OTAs. They found the best players available to them at the time, and did what they could to fit them into what they are trying to do as a team. But with the salary cap situation the way it was, and the limited amount of draft picks, they didn’t have a lot to improve with.
The only reason this discussion is happening now is that the market just got flooded with 700 new free agents – a few key ones being the victims of a numbers game. So McKenzie and Allen will continue evaluating. Certain players who were the best available at the time might not be anymore.
The Raiders are right to kick some tires. There’s absolutely no reason not to.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
And by the way, last night I noticed some personel, wont say if they were ball boys, water guys, asst. coaches or players shake their head after that 90 degree throw by Lienart for a -1 yard when we need 10. Dont know how you took it, but my guess is WTF.
Need I say more?
OK, if you insist. Throwing backwards almost cost us because seattle picked the ball up and scored but the refs ruled it a forward pass. The replacements have been good to the Raidahs.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
“let me explain, no, there is too much, let me sum up”
August 31st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Interesting to see Washington release Tim Hightower, yeah they had to cut someone and if anyone remembers when Hightower was with Arizona and how our D made him look like a starter, still an upgrade over Goodson, IMO.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:39 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
The Raiders are right to kick some tires. There’s absolutely no reason not to.
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I can give you a few reasons not to:
1. We are the Oakland Raiders, we do not do what other teams do for the sake of it’s what everyone else is doing. We make a decision and we ride with it. If we make a mistake, then it’s gonna be a big f’in mistake. And who would want it any other way? That’s how we learn.
2. Kick some tires you say? How did kicking the tires work last night? 3 fumbles in 3 touches….okay okay….one was a muff…and the ball was given back to us…Roscoe only returns punts and couldn’t even get his helmet on…and this happened while our GM was getting interviewed during the game. Kinda embarrassing if you ask me.
3. When we continue to cut players who have been in our system we allow other teams to sign them….and give away our intel….if we make this a habit…before we know it….our intel isn’t so effective.
4. Because I said so!
So no reason not to you say….try again!
August 31st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
OK, Mr. Green. Just wouldn’t be surprised to see Green Bay. Whoever it is, we walk away with the trophy.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Also on that note, Philly released Joselio Hanson, would make a good nickle CB and push some of our guys to get better or get replaced. Make it happen Reggie, I for one do not want to return to the double digit loss records.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
The ONLY player I would like to see the Raiders get is Michael Bush if Chicago cuts him. He would be great to have in the backfield with McFadden. Or Zach Crockett, he could easily punch it in from the 1 yard line.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Intrepid Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
OK, Mr. Green. Just wouldn’t be surprised to see Green Bay. Whoever it is, we walk away with the trophy.
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I can recollect I once said:
Raidahs vs Packers/Giants.
So yes, I do agree there, but I think the Giants have more juice than the Pack. And of course, the Lombardi comes to Oakland.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
backstageatapuppetshow , wow,I thought you were. Never mind . You bleed Silver and Black. Raider on, and Code Black.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I see Derek Hagen was released by the Bills, so much for him being an all star WR, I’d pass and keep an eye out for better talent.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
And of course, the Lombardi comes to Oakland.//////////abolutely1
August 31st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RoSuckdo MySchlong
August 31st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
1. We are the Oakland Raiders, we do not do what other teams do for the sake of it’s what everyone else is doing. We make a decision and we ride with it. If we make a mistake, then it’s gonna be a big f’in mistake. And who would want it any other way? That’s how we learn.
2. Kick some tires you say? How did kicking the tires work last night? 3 fumbles in 3 touches….okay okay….one was a muff…and the ball was given back to us…Roscoe only returns punts and couldn’t even get his helmet on…and this happened while our GM was getting interviewed during the game. Kinda embarrassing if you ask me.
3. When we continue to cut players who have been in our system we allow other teams to sign them….and give away our intel….if we make this a habit…before we know it….our intel isn’t so effective.
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1. You don’t constantly evaluate your players “just for the sake of it”. You do it because it’s a smart thing to do when you’re building a competitive football team.
I don’t look both ways before I cross the street because “everyone is doing it”. I do it because if I don’t, there’s a good chance I’ll get my s*** ruined by oncoming traffic.
2. Kicking tires worked great, considering Ford was injured and the Raiders didn’t want to risk their primary backups at RB in the return game. Again – depth is a major concern (as it has been for years). The Raiders did what they needed to do to put warm bodies on the football field. It’s not like what they already had in the return game was working so well that they had no business looking to improve it.
3. EVERY team is cutting players who have been in their system. But the Raiders aren’t turning over their roster. They’re looking at the bottom 2 or 3 roster spots, and seeing if there are better options for the team. That’s it. It’s a process every team goes through because that’s how you build a team. It’s why teams have personnel departments.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
So as some of you know, I’ve been getting a kick out of the chicken littles in here that p1ss and moan after just about every preseason game. Well, I go to the Raiders website and what do I find? An advertisement for KFC Chicken Littles. Guess they realized there was a market for these amongst the Nation fanbase. Now that’s what I call Targeted Advertising. LOL!
August 31st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
The slogan is “Think Little”. LOL. I think I’ll use that to describe some of the posters in here.
August 31st, 2012 at 11:57 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
1. You don’t constantly evaluate your players “just for the sake of it”. You do it because it’s a smart thing to do when you’re building a competitive football team.
I don’t look both ways before I cross the street because “everyone is doing it”. I do it because if I don’t, there’s a good chance I’ll get my s*** ruined by oncoming traffic.
2. Kicking tires worked great, considering Ford was injured and the Raiders didn’t want to risk their primary backups at RB in the return game. Again – depth is a major concern (as it has been for years). The Raiders did what they needed to do to put warm bodies on the football field. It’s not like what they already had in the return game was working so well that they had no business looking to improve it.
3. EVERY team is cutting players who have been in their system. But the Raiders aren’t turning over their roster. They’re looking at the bottom 2 or 3 roster spots, and seeing if there are better options for the team. That’s it. It’s a process every team goes through because that’s how you build a team. It’s why teams have personnel departments.
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We better be doing more than BUILDING a competitive football team MY RAIDER EMPLOYEE FRIEND (I am your friend).
We better be BUILDING a SUPER BOWL WINNING TEAM.
I could care less about being competitive. I want to be dominant. The same way I am dominating you in this conversation. Sure, you’re explaining all the play it safe moves….some can buy that…some will buy it!
As far as your comment regarding traffic….perhaps you should test fate once in a while and just walk across the street. Like I said, have a little faith….make the traffic look out for you for a change…..have some balls!
So you are claiming Roscoe was brought in to save the health of our valuable players? Why then did he not return the ball in the 2nd half?
Thanks for the explanation regarding our personnel department….I needed it….just like you need the motivation I’m providing you….
Like I said, we’re friends, Im just playing the devils advocate, motivating you…we want the same thing…you are just afraid…I don’t have that problem….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WdWH53nsu8
August 31st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Unfortunate to hear that talks are resuming with the regular officials. Personally, I’m fine with the replacements.
Jerry Jones had this to say:
“The (replacement) officials are going to make mistakes, but believe you me, the officials that would be there if we got this resolved will make a lot of mistakes.”
September 1st, 2012 at 12:09 am
It would be nice to be a Raider employee. Maybe then I’d have healthcare and paid vacation. One cam dream…
It’s also how you build a dominant team. You don’t build a dominant team by ignoring players who can make your team better.
You act as if looking for a way to add more pieces means the Raiders aren’t coaching their players up. The reality is that some players are simply not as good as others. They’re brought in by a team to compete for a job, and if they win a job it’s because they do at least one or two things well enough to have value. But what if another player comes along who does those things better? Maybe they were cut by a team who already had adequate depth in that area. Why would you not want to see if that player fits in?
Parrish didn’t return the ball in the 2nd half because the coaches had seen enough and they had other players they wanted to evaluate in that role. Pretty straightforward.
These are the most basic concepts when it comes to what an NFL front office does. I don’t know why these things have to be explained to you. Maybe you just think the players on the Raiders’ roster are better than they are. Depth has been an issue for the Raiders for years – it certainly was last season. That doesn’t change in one offseason, especially when your team is over the salary cap and has no high draft picks.
September 1st, 2012 at 12:23 am
Healthcare and paid vacation is your idea of dreaming?
Funny how you claim what you can get by being an employee as opposed to what you can give?
Sounds about right.
“The reality is that some players are simply not as good as others”
The reality is that some coaches are not as good as others….the reality is that the front office and the coaching staff have endless excuses for not winning games….and they all start with the talent of the players….
These guys are all professional athletes.
You think that there is that much difference between them?
There isn’t.
Look at Arron Rodgers….who went to a Junior College out of High School.
Look at Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley where?
Look at Walter Peyton….
The list goes on and on…
There is talent everywhere….and those who know what to look for know how to find it….
According to Mark Davis, we have this man?
September 1st, 2012 at 12:25 am
TSR,nice observations and you are spot on,on both of them.
September 1st, 2012 at 12:25 am
Oh wait, that’s right….Mark doesn’t know the difference….
He refers to Wolf and Madden….
September 1st, 2012 at 12:26 am
106-he is!
September 1st, 2012 at 12:30 am
The truth is that the entire NFL is possibly the most nepotistic entity in this country….outside of government…
Those who know what they’re doing are few and far between.
Most simply mimic one another.
Look at the game.
How much diversity do you see within the scheme?
Compare it against what you see in college.
If you get out on Friday’s, you will see true creativity….
But the experts are supposedly the experts because the PAID experts say so…
YoungAmerican, good talk my friend….you provided a valuable argument…I appreciate your willingness to discuss all that has been said…
Maybe you’re right….we’ll see!
September 1st, 2012 at 12:33 am
My large hey hey needs some warn ho ho. Even some hoi hoi and smo mac mac do. A little pi pi always make me donka donka. My ex wife use to wey wey my chu chu all the up her boon boon. But now my wut wut has some clap clap and I’m doin the thangy thangy two stroke til my hoo hoo is ready for some whee whee.
September 1st, 2012 at 12:35 am
Isn’t it funny how the mediocre coaches stay in the league and those with talent get lured away by the almighty dollar to be on television?
The players don’t get this luxury….no sir….cut em and find another who will outexecute his counterpart…
Coaches and ownership take no responsibility….and why should they….they have the players to take the blame!
September 1st, 2012 at 12:36 am
Healthcare and paid vacation is your idea of dreaming?
Funny how you claim what you can get by being an employee as opposed to what you can give?
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At this point? Yep. It would be an improvement over the current situation, anyway.
Why wouldn’t I claim what I can get if I was hired by a company that offers those things to me as a condition of my employment? I give them hard work 40 hours a week, and then they provide the agreed-upon compensation for my services. Isn’t that exactly how capitalism works?
I come from a generation of people who were all “required” to work for free in order to prove their worth on the job market – and most of us didn’t get hired after doing so. So don’t talk to me about “what I can give”.
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There is talent everywhere….and those who know what to look for know how to find it….
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That’s exactly what McKenzie and Allen are doing. Looking for talent. It is indeed everywhere. Even on the waiver wire.
September 1st, 2012 at 12:40 am
Touche’
September 1st, 2012 at 12:41 am
hoo hoo + hey hey = gassy gassy
September 1st, 2012 at 12:43 am
Where’s my hoo hoo?
September 1st, 2012 at 12:43 am
I don’t think we can assume to know anything about the coaching staff until we see them in real games that require a real gameplan.
What we can see is a relatively steep dropoff in talent between the first team and second team, based on their performance in the same vanilla schemes.
Considering they inherited most of the players on this staff, and that there’s not much anyone could do about that in one offseason, I don’t see why they wouldn’t try to see what else is out there. It’s not like kicking the tires on a couple players means they’re going to stop coaching the players they already have. Hell, they might not even sign any new players.
September 1st, 2012 at 12:44 am
You got me YoungAMerican….I give up….nothing more to say….Checkmate it would appear!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWK9CzL1z0&feature=plcp
September 1st, 2012 at 12:45 am
A little hey hey in the buff buff makes a good hoo hoo in the muff muff.
September 1st, 2012 at 12:47 am
My own brother thinks I’ve “lost it” because I’m libertarian in nature, don’t vote, and simply wish to be left the hell alone. Is that too much to ask?
Great reminder quote BTW
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backstageatapuppetshow Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Raidernationdave:
Nice video…however:
“There is no point in making a logical argument with individuals who do not subscribe to logic.”
September 1st, 2012 at 1:03 am
Just saw a late night commercial for Cougar Life dot com. This is why hookers are the best. You don’t have to talk to a hooker when your done.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:03 am
1Nation #1
Mornin’ all.
Any one have any idea of what this (JJ Johnson JJ) is?
September 1st, 2012 at 1:06 am
my evaluation of this team’s units:
OL: starters are good to go, especially when wiz gets back. brisiel is not great but i’m hoping his career suggests otherwise. serious lack of depth though. bergstrom solid. barksdale so-so. not sold on parsons. reggie will be looking for depth.
TE: it is what it is. meyers is adequate i guess. gordon the blocker and ausberry the developmental receiver. no one likely available that could start except for cooley.
WR: when healthy we have possibilities. i am now thinking ford might surprise this season. it’s his theird year, that’s when receivers break out. look at dhb last year.
RB: if healthy, we’re golden here. u guys ragging on goodson have it wrong. he’s a good back.
QB: no problems here if palmer plays well. solid backup in leinart. i think we’ll see pryor on the field in a slash role at times.
DL: very deep. good talent, even w/o seymour.
LB: a lot depends on mcclain but the other two are good. decent backups but we need one more.
S: very deep. good.
CB: i think we’re ok here. i think chekwa is on the way out. reggie trying to get something for him, since young corners who were decently regarded 1 year ago do have value.
the raiders will have a good season depending on two things. palmer plays like a top 10 or at least top 15 qb. and no injuries. our starters are good. thin on depth.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:11 am
oh yeah, another key is mcclain.
palmer. mcclain, injuries
September 1st, 2012 at 1:12 am
Raidernationdave Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 1:03 am
Just saw a late night commercial for Cougar Life dot com. This is why hookers are the best. You don’t have to talk to a hooker when your done.
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Truth…..but runs the risk of being labeled by the lassies as (pick any)shallow,insensitive,alpha,non committal,loose,user……just some of many.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:15 am
Twinkle Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 1:03 am
1Nation #1
Mornin’ all.
Any one have any idea of what this (JJ Johnson JJ) is?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGWYNgjvddc&feature=related
September 1st, 2012 at 1:23 am
Lucas Nix @Big_Luke_Dog
Cream rises
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Love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtKwxKdr430
September 1st, 2012 at 1:23 am
G’Nite’
September 1st, 2012 at 1:30 am
Rob I agree with almost all of it.Guess I’m in the minority in here in regards to Seymour.I believe he is
the catalyst on the line.There was no push up the middle
at all last night.He gets the double and Kelly gets after
it.If either of those two go down we’re hosed IMO.Most of our Dline sacks are from them or the pressure they
create.TE….not sure we have one.Bummer coz this O
features the TE a lot.Romac calls the D and apparently
is good at it.If he can improve on run D he will allow
Wheeler to play to his strengths.DB’s well we kept a lot for cutting purposes.Case we can find help from the recently unemployed.Good post BTW.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:33 am
G’nite Backstage….great link as usual!!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 1:36 am
Get Josh Johnson. Cut Pryor.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:36 am
Love your positive being dude.Sleep well.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:38 am
Oh….great!!!
Knew I had something better to do.
September 1st, 2012 at 1:45 am
twinkle– don’t get me wrong. i still think seymour is good when he plays. he may be slipping a bit though. and i’m very curious about his injury. i mean he hasn’t played much ball lately. i still think he can bring a lot to the table, but if he ends up too gimpy, i think houston is emerging big time, and bryant is solid. and bilukidi has a lot of upside. i’m not really that big on cumbie. seems a bit of a one-trick pont to me (6′7″ guy with hands up, blocking passes/field goals).
September 1st, 2012 at 2:10 am
Depth came up last night. we rarely talk about it because we rarely have it. I suspect that Reggie has been working on this from day one. It is why he has a 7 million dollar war chest, one of the most important reggie tasks = moving pieces around so the team has depth.
Mister Davis overpaid too many players like seymour, routt, deangelo, etc.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:13 am
I believe Sey has made a deal with the Reg.
Give me rest and I will perform on game day.
If I dont play well I will retire.
Seymour seems like that type of a man. He will not want to sit on the bench and his pride will not allow him to perform poorly.
Unless of course, its all about the money with him.
I say he is honorable
September 1st, 2012 at 2:16 am
I would not bother kicking the tires on hightower. Scatarat is mister cut block himself. If Tim cannot play there, he will not do well here.
Goodson>hightower
September 1st, 2012 at 2:23 am
how much 3-4 do u think we can play with 5 LB’s on the team? i suppose tollefson counts.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:25 am
Seymour isn’t retiring.
He’d be out of his mind to walk away from millions of guaranteed dollars.
He’ll take those dollars regardless of whether he earns them or not.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:25 am
tim hightower blew out his knee last season. probably not healthy. otherwise, he would be a great fit. but if the tree we have now stay healthy, they are all darts.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:27 am
we will see regarding seymour. i mean he has barely played/practiced more than curry at this point. and we kept 5 DT’s, and houston plays there too. something is going on there.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:32 am
Seymour will perform when it counts, but I also believe he will retire after this year. 12 years on the front line is a murderous job. You can’t expect him be full steam ahead in training camp at this point his career.
This season will be his farewell tour. He probably already knows that Desmond Bryant is nipping at his heels.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:33 am
wait. are we heading into the regular season with alex parsons as the starting center? he’s never played in a game. undrafted free agent last year. gulp.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:38 am
hey palmer haters. if u take away the 1st game he played in last year, with virtually no practice, his yardage was nearly 300 per game. he would have thrown for over 4600 yards. without dmc. i think we may see a big year from carson.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:38 am
Three darts ? Maybe. All 3 are fast. Taiwan is a blur. DMAC is the best all purpose back in the NFL. Combines blazing speed, strength, blocking and hands.
Goodson has decent speed, but that’s it. Fumbling machine and soft. More likely to cost a game with his turnovers than he is to win one with his legs.
Even if you believe Goodson is a dart that can contribute, there’s still an obvious need for a back with some heft and power to complete the Raid backfield. Need a hammer that can gain some yards and help carry the load.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:40 am
so far interesting pick ups could be
WR Jabar Gaffney – depending on how Moore progresses.
QB Brian Hoyer – wondering if they are having second thoughts on Leinart
RB Rock Cartwright – special teams abysmal, would help immediately
CB Dominique Franks – has some possibilities, but thats if DVD is dealt for a late pick
QB Josh Johnson – basically the same deal as T.P., but better decision making
CB Alphonso Smith – only drawback is his size, ballhawking type DB
TE Evan Moore – nice receiving TE and we need one in this offense, less expensive than C.Cooley
OG Deuce Lutui – if only he fit the ZBS, more of a mauler str8 ahead OL
OG Kasey Studdard – decent because familiar with Pollack scheme, and back up OGs were blasted apart by Seattle’s backup DL’s
DT Remi Ayodele – played on same squad when Dennis Allen coached at N.O. so familiarity, there.
RB Jacob Hester – again, its almost worth it if Hester or Cartwright could return kicks. I’d sign BOTH – coverage has been HORRIFIC.
others to consider
CB Leigh Torrence
CB/KR Justin Miller (why not, after that display by Roscoe Parrish – HELP!!)
CB SydQuan Thompson – surely will be brought back by Denver (sneaking him to clear waiver)
RB Vai Taua – just trying to clear him through waivers – ran through and around Oak, but I’m putting him here, because Oakland had poached from Seahawks before (notably, Marcell Reece and another RB before then)
WR Tim Benford
RB Deji Karim – would be a nice pickup, but same skill set as Taiwan Jones, and T.J has more speed.
OT Trai Essex – just bring em in to kick the tires.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:40 am
roster is pretty much set. above post is wishful thinking, and myopic….
September 1st, 2012 at 2:48 am
roster is pretty much set. above post is wishful thinking, and myopic….
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LOL. So why’d you bother to post it ?
I don’t think it’s myopic at all. And while the roster is pretty much set, I don’t believe it’s finalized.
DA isn’t just blowing smoke up our butts when he says
the Raids are keeping their eyes open and exploring all options.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:49 am
i believe we reggie will be looking hard at OL and LB. perhaps a big back. question is who is likely to be dropped. if an OL is brought in, then nix. if an LB, then a CB. but a RB has no obvious corresponding cut. they are NOT cutting goodson. they traded for him and he’s had some nice runs. the most likely guy would be cumbie or a CB.
September 1st, 2012 at 2:51 am
not many differences from my 53 man roster projection
I had McGee & Stupar as makers.
I had Nix & Francies as baggers at your local grocery store
September 1st, 2012 at 2:53 am
Placed on injured-reserve list
Tory Humphrey
Brandon Underwood
Marquette King
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injury settlements coming. No need to keep these guys around
September 1st, 2012 at 2:57 am
Aaron Curry is ineligible to play or practice for the first six weeks of the regular season.
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I knew he couldn’t play, but the man can’t even freaking PRACTICE??
Tarver’s “multiple” defense cant be mastered just by non-contact OTA’s
I hope Curry works out on his own, when given clearance by his doctor. Otherwise it’s a wasted year
September 1st, 2012 at 2:59 am
Linebacker Nathan Stupar is the only member of Oakland’s 2012 draft class that didn’t make the 53-man roster despite shining against the Seahawks on Thursday night
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practice squad please!
September 1st, 2012 at 3:00 am
Travis Goethel has survived 3 different Head Coaches..
I guess we don’t need to press the panic button and sign EJ Henderson?
September 1st, 2012 at 3:00 am
WR Derek Hagan release by the Bills, sign him!
Sign RB/ST Rock Cartright or even better, Tim Hightower. I also wouldnt oppose trading for Chris Ivory to cut Goodson.
Sign DE/LB Adrian Hamilton
Keep S – Underwood
Keep P – King
Keep WR – Sessions
Keep K – Carmona
Keep DT – Hamilton
Take a look at recently cut CB Dominique Franks from Atlanta.
OK, now I gotta run before my chic sees me. I lost the SeaGull bet so Im not supposed to be here.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:04 am
I agree with Sam.
Rock Cartwright & Justin Miller would give us a much needed lift on special teams (and might save Hoffman’s job)
please tell Goodson & Francies to pack thier bags
thank you
September 1st, 2012 at 3:06 am
@ Riff
I think Sessions & Hamilton are heading to the practice squad (with Stupar)
September 1st, 2012 at 3:09 am
yeah – I dont know how you could be content with 5 WR’s when 2 of them are injured … and the same 2 were injured during the regular season last year, too
keep Hagan (or somebody!) on speed dial
Isn’t TE Gordon injured, too?
Can’t face Sandy Eggo with only 3 WR’s and 2 TE’s active
September 1st, 2012 at 3:11 am
RRs it was probably a six or two threes as far as all four of em were concerned…..Last night showed me a hell
of a lot………….not much of it was very encouraging.
I’m sure it showed the NFC west a lot more.Be surprised if Carroll makes it trough the season employed.
RM99 Truth!!!!If they ain’t looking real hard then they better be and soon.
Sam…helluva post man…you sure as hell study this stuff hard.
Rob…I don’t believe there is anything under the table
with big Rich and the team…it’s just that we have
precious few vets and he is pivotal.His knees are sore
……risking injury to him would be suicide.He is the engine that drives what may turn out to be our strongest unit…..but only if he’s out there.He is that good.IMO.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:11 am
We only kept 5 linebackers.
Goethel is injury prone and McClain has a jury trial at some point
#SCARY
September 1st, 2012 at 3:18 am
We need to look at Everett brown
September 1st, 2012 at 3:20 am
RRs Damn right it’s scary and I for one had no idea we are this shallow until last night.I also had no idea that Curry’s knees were so bad…the man must have been playing real hurt last year.I have not seen Goethel play
yet.Guy’s only been here how long?Romac goes to the big house….we are in a world of hurt.Not even bothering to
go near the O.Who knows?
September 1st, 2012 at 3:20 am
Curry can practice, he just can’t practice with the team.
Raids used the new IR clause on Curry. In the past, if you were IR’d, you were done for the year. This year, you can IR ONE player, and he is eligible to play later – provided he sits out 6 weeks.
I’m pretty sure the new IR clause allows for the Raids to release Curry and use this new IR clause on another player should the need arise. For example, if Palmer gets injured in week one but could likely return in the 2nd half of the season, Raids could release Curry and then place Palmer on special IR without losing Palmer for the entire year.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:28 am
I must be getting old and senile. I see a different seahawk team then many here do.
Pete has improved the team every year. That defense was pushing people around last year, cornerbacks were doing great and they have depth on both sides of the line.
IMHO the Raiders are a better team but the seahags may have a big year
September 1st, 2012 at 3:29 am
Curry is just on the standard PUP list.
There are three players on IR: Humphrey, King, Underwood. Underwood likely to be the special one (at this point). The rule doesn’t require them to nominate a ’special’ IR. They just put people on IR as they go along, and at some point can choose a player to take off IR within 6 weeks of being IR’d. Then has 21 days to be placed on 53 man roster or must be released.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:32 am
RM99…I believe the IR now lasts for eight weeks
instead of the season.I thought we’d used the PUP on
Curry.Thus he is unable to practice with the squad for
six weeks.I’m probably wrong but that was my take.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:33 am
Curry is just on the standard PUP list.
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So he counts against the 53 man roster right now ?
Why are they talking minimum of 6 weeks for him if he’s just on the PUP list ?
September 1st, 2012 at 3:33 am
The preseason or regular season PUP list is different than the new IR exemption rule.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:36 am
I thought you could come off the PUP list anytime.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:36 am
I hate to get it started but this was too good not to share here
http://wilmington.craigslist.org/rnr/3236345072.html
September 1st, 2012 at 3:40 am
I thought once you went to Injured Reserve … you’re done for the year, no?
September 1st, 2012 at 3:40 am
OK let me get this straight.
If you’re PUP’d you’re gone a minimum of 6 weeks.
If you’re placed on standard IR, gone for the year, unless you’re designated ’special’ IR ?
September 1st, 2012 at 3:40 am
new IR exemption rule.
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ahhhh,, ok
thanks Riff
September 1st, 2012 at 3:41 am
So he counts against the 53 man roster right now ?
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no. Curry doesnt count until Week 7 when he’s eligible to return
September 1st, 2012 at 3:42 am
Plunketthead Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 3:28 am
I must be getting old and senile. I see a different seahawk team then many here do.
Pete has improved the team every year. That defense was pushing people around last year, cornerbacks were doing great and they have depth on both sides of the line.
IMHO the Raiders are a better team but the seahags may have a big year
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You may well be right but my take on Carroll last night
was ‘why the hell is this guy risking injuries to his
starters in this meaningless game?’
The stands were full and I think that had a lot to do
with it.He knows his D is good.Why hang em out there for so long?The 9′ers must have happy to see it all.
Their QB will be lucky to see week three….he is real short…I could go on but I really don’t care about
Seattle…..was just surprised about Carroll’s strategy
September 1st, 2012 at 3:43 am
PUP = 6 weeks inactive to play/train, doesn’t count against roster until he is healthy and when re-activated means a player on the 53 must be released to make room for him.
IR = out for season. But a player can be selected from the IR list to return to the 53 man roster, as long as it’s within 6 weeks of when he got IR’d. When he comes off IR, he still doesn’t count to the 53 man roster (he becomes another PUP situation)…he can only train off the side, and the team has 21 days to decide whether to put him on the 53 man roster. If they don’t he cant be re-IRd, instead he MUST be released.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:44 am
And the only players on IR who are eligible to be ’special’ are those who suffered an injury during the pre-season, NOT off-season.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:44 am
I thought once you went to Injured Reserve … you’re done for the year, no?
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Previously, yes.
My understanding is a club can place ONE player on a special IR list this year, and that player is eligible to return later, after sitting out a mandatory specified time.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:45 am
Like I said the IR is now only eight weeks.It is no longer for the season.I’ll go find the info if anyone
needs me too.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:49 am
IR = out for season. But a player can be selected from the IR list to return to the 53 man roster, as long as it’s within 6 weeks of when he got IR’d. When he comes off IR, he still doesn’t count to the 53 man roster (he becomes another PUP situation)…he can only train off the side, and the team has 21 days to decide whether to put him on the 53 man roster. If they don’t he cant be re-IRd, instead he MUST be released.
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And a club can do this all they want ? Or just once per season ? Or one instance at a time ?
September 1st, 2012 at 3:52 am
IR is now only eight weeks.It is no longer for the season
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seriously?
wow!
place Jacoby Ford on IR then
September 1st, 2012 at 3:53 am
Well, the correct way to put it is…
Teams put players on IR, as they go along they put them on IR. And they’re done for the year. All of them. It’s just that at any time within 6 weeks of a player being IR’d a team can choose one of them to return to the 53 man roster. It’s not like the Raiders nominate today say Underwood to be the “special” one. They just IR who they IR, and they’re all in the same boat…looking at a year out. Let’s say by week 4 we’ve had to IR another 4 players (say, Ford, DVD, Leinart, Goethal). So now we have 7 players IRd. Then in week 5, the Raiders feel that one of those players, say, Jacoby Ford, is worth bringing back. So they THEN elect him to return, he can start training on the side of the field, and the Raiders have 21 days to decide whether to activate him or they will have to RELEASE him completely.
It’s a risky move, you better make sure it’s legit, that ‘must be released’ rule to prevent shenanigans.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:56 am
GG was thinking Ford too!!
LOL
September 1st, 2012 at 3:56 am
OK I got it wrong as usual.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/nfl-players-agree-on-trade-ir-rule-changes-1.3940247
September 1st, 2012 at 3:56 am
Preseason PUP and reg season PUP are two different things.
I just got busted by my chic. Gotta run.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:56 am
#190…once per season, one player only.
Again, only players IR’d during the pre-season are eligible to be ’special’, not players IR’d from the off-season. And they only have 6 weeks from the time of being IR’d to be eligible to return. Then they have 21 day deadline for the team to decide whether to activate to the 53 otherwise they must release the player contractually.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 3:56 am
GG was thinking Ford too!!
LOL
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Yeah, lol. I think Ford is a gun returner, but too brittle and inconsistent as a receiver, even in the slot. He’s become the mini-version of Chaz.
September 1st, 2012 at 3:58 am
Raids have been pretty fortunate so far on the injury front.
No season enders to any starters or draft picks. Just lost two guys not likely to make the 53.
Couple of sprains and pulled muscles, but no broken bones or torn ligaments.
So far, so good.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:00 am
@ RM99
fat camp is tougher than Camp Allen!?!?
September 1st, 2012 at 4:00 am
Agreed, GG
Ford was supposed to morph into Steve Smith, not Nick Miller!!
September 1st, 2012 at 4:02 am
When I first became acquainted with this game there were
around 3600 rules in the book I was told.Rules or sub-
rules I guess.Wonder what the count is up to now?
September 1st, 2012 at 4:03 am
Looks like I’m wrong too haha…
—-from the link posted above—–
The injured-reserve rule permits teams to re-activate one player from IR during the season. That player must be designated as of Tuesday, and he can begin practicing after Week 6 of the regular season and resume playing after Week 8.
A special injured-reserve rule applies for the 2012 season because teams already have cut their rosters to 75 players. Any team that has placed any player on injured reserve and wants to designate that player for the new short-term IR must place him back on the active roster by Friday at 9 p.m. and then designate him after 4 p.m. on Tuesday.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:03 am
Thanks for the explanation GG. Sounds like you know what you’re talking about and you explained it well.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:04 am
I just got busted by my chic. Gotta run.
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is there punishment for blogging in the Riff household?
September 1st, 2012 at 4:07 am
Probably the no A$$ rule comes into effect.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:07 am
fat camp is tougher than Camp Allen!?!?
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Huh ?
September 1st, 2012 at 4:08 am
So, the Raiders have to literally designate someone by Tuesday, and they have to be someone who has been IRd during the pre-season. Not before, not after.
Our current IR list…
14 Calhoun, Duke WR
88 Humphrey, Tory TE
78 Hurd, Zach OL
38 Jackson, Rashawn RB
2 King, Marquette P
49 Kurn, Mario LB
28 Underwood, Brandon DB
73 Wang, Ed OL
So we haven’t yet told the NFL who our ’special’ one is, but chances are it’d be Underwood.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:10 am
99,
it was a joke. you said we’ve been pretty fortunate on the injury front (which I agree) so I asked if you thought fat camp was tougher than a Dennis Allen training camp
September 1st, 2012 at 4:10 am
Curry may fit the IR special designation.If he doesn’t
need to sit the year out that is.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:11 am
Why Underwood?
he sucks imo
September 1st, 2012 at 4:13 am
Never mind….Curry’s on the PUP.Hope it works out for him…I like the guy’s hustle.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:13 am
Okay I’m still confused.
From a PFT article on the new IR rule….
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The injured reserve rule allows one player per team to be activated from IR after a “major injury.” The player must miss at least six weeks of practice. He may be placed on the active list at least eight weeks after placement on injured reserve.
Unlike the PUP list, then, the window for returning to practice doesn’t close. Once it’s open, it stays open.
Patriots owner Robert Kraft has said that, if such a provision had been in place four years ago, the team possibly would have used the designation for quarterback Tom Brady, who tore an ACL in Week One.
Here’s where it gets complicated. Because teams already have cut to 75, a special procedure applies for 2012. As to teams that already have placed players on IR, the player for whom the short-term IR procedure will be used must be placed back on the active roster by 9:00 p.m. ET, August 31. He’ll then count as one of the final 53.
Then, after 4:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday, September 4, each team can place one player on the modified IR list.
This means that teams hoping to use the new IR rule for a player already on injured reserve will have to displace another player for nearly four days, using a roster spot for the injured player and then creating a roster spot next Tuesday, when that player goes back to IR.
Confused? Good. Because it took me an hour to figure it out.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:17 am
Unless there is a roster freeze on the the guy you have to cut the whole thing becomes worse than useless.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:18 am
GG, I like your first explanation better than the system in place.
Thought I heard that you could only use the special IR once and had to select one player only.
Didn’t realize it had to be done off a pre-season IR list only.
Would be a lot better if your ‘assemble an IR list as you go through the season’ and then use the one special IR when needed was in effect.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:20 am
among Seattle cuts:
guard Paul Fanaika, center Kris O’Dowd
they run a zbs too (obviously with Cable)
should we be interested in either of these guys??
September 1st, 2012 at 4:23 am
ex-raider center Chris Morris failed to make the Titans 53
vet center Dan Koppen got axed by the Pats, too
September 1st, 2012 at 4:26 am
It is typical of anything that is touched by the owners.
It is why Mr Davis couldn’t stand to be in the same room
as any of em barring J.Jones.The number of votes by the
owners that tallied 31-0-1 were numerous.This sport
lost far more than we can comprehend with the passing of
Al.RIP!!!!starting to cry…better sign out.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:27 am
among Panthers cuts:
ex-raider linebacker David Nixon
rookie tackle Matt Reynolds (who Reggie had in for a predraft workout & visit)
ROG’s boy wide receiver Seyi Ajirotutu
Louis Murphy & Bruce Campbell both survived!!
September 1st, 2012 at 4:29 am
Think we’re OK with Parsons til Wiz gets back. Would be pretty tough to bring a new center in this late. Koppen maybe, bcz he’s a vet and has seen it all. But he’s probably done anyway.
Much more concerned about the Tackle depth. If V goes down we’re in dire trouble.
What are you going to do ? Move Barnes to LT ? Barks at RT ? Yikes.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:30 am
Much more concerned about the Tackle depth. If V goes down we’re in dire trouble.
What are you going to do ? Move Barnes to LT ? Barks at RT ? Yikes
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Yes, that would be our only option (unless rookie Bergs is ready)
September 1st, 2012 at 4:36 am
Ain’t the same without the old man.
Would have been nice if he agreed to step back and delegate, but still had the final word and veto power.
He was one of a kind and the Raids were unique.
We’re, more or less, just 1 of 32 now.
Still the only team for me, but it just ain’t the same.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:36 am
Bergstrom is a tackle trying to play guard. Could he be leapfrogged by Nix?
and Barksdale sucks!
Shouldnt Bergs get a shot at tackle to unseat him?
September 1st, 2012 at 4:38 am
you guys are probably going to be shocked at all the Al Davis players Reggie purges from the roster in the next 2 offseasons, making the team “his own”
September 1st, 2012 at 4:44 am
I’ll wait to see the practical use of the special IR to properly understand it. Lol damn.
Will be interesting to see what RM/DA do scouring the waiver wire.
Some people were suggesting late last night that RM shouldn’t be trying to upgrade the roster. Etc. But that’s silly. All the salary cap and draft pick shortages, and lack of FA’s available pre-draft. He built a team. And from it, 40 odd (as per DA) are about certain, but there’s a need for about 10 or so players to upgrade, the game against Seattle showed him that the depth needs upgrading.
Now RM finally has a situation where there’s 1000+ players available in FA, including not only vets but a lot of talented youth, waived draftees or undraftees, it would be negligence of RM to NOT be upgrading at this time of peak player availability.
Imagine if RM just sat on his hands with the 53, and the days went by seeing other teams snatch up some intriguing players, people would be screaming that RM is doing nothing.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:49 am
Btw, i don’t like Greg Knapp.
He better be more vertical thru the regular season.
For instance, Green Bay plays a version of WCO and they’re very vertical still. Hybrid concepts.
We saw some of that in our preseason, but the majority of calls were all the short horizontal stuff, and the aggravation of the predictable draw play on 3rd and long, or the 3rd and 4 that sees plays called where players run 4 yard routes, but catch the ball a yard short.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:52 am
Palmer, Leinart, Goodson, Schmitt, Criner, Streater, Brisiel, Bergstrom & Nix on offense.
Crawford, Bilukidi, Cumbie, Tollefson, Burris, Ihenacho, Wheeler, Bartell, Spencer, Lee, McCann & Francies on defense
All players brought in by somebody other than Al Davis
(Palmer, Curry & McCann courtesy of Hue Jax)
thats 21 of 53 new faces already
September 1st, 2012 at 4:54 am
I don’t think Reggie is going to look at a player and say ‘he’s an Al player’ and dump him for that reason.
No, if DHB plays well, he’ll be here. Think Reggie is smart enough to realize that NFL turnover is immense and that within a few years the roster will almost be entirely comprised of ‘his’ guys anyway.
I don’t expect a ‘purge anything related to Al’ scenario to go down, but as time goes on, Al’s signature brand of football and drafting philosophy will almost be completely dissipated.
Some Raider fans, jaded by the recent years of futility, will welcome the change.
This dinosaur laments it.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:56 am
i don’t like Greg Knapp.
He better be more vertical thru the regular season.
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GG,
not gonna happen. Knapp is the most run-oriented OC in the league today, perhaps of the past decade
his offense will be vanilla or bland. no flavor, no trickeration. what you see is what you get. run to set up the pass. run-run-incomplete pass-punt. Thats why DMAC is so crucial to our success this year.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:56 am
Good morning early risers. So what time does the picking off the waiver wire commence?
September 1st, 2012 at 4:59 am
Some people were suggesting late last night that RM shouldn’t be trying to upgrade the roster. Etc. But that’s silly.
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I don’t know if backstagepuppetshow was playing devil’s advocate, being facetious, or just stoned, but his suggestion that the Raids should stand pat right now was utterly ridiculous.
September 1st, 2012 at 4:59 am
#228….ugh gouge out my eyes with a plastic fork now
September 1st, 2012 at 5:00 am
RRS, I think Hubert brought in ihenacho. At the end of the season he signed a bunch of guys off the street, Ivey also being one of them. Me thinks…
September 1st, 2012 at 5:01 am
the Knapp offense says “this is what we’re going to do to you and I dare you to stop it”
the screens & dump offs will be the majority of our completions. short crossing patterns, etc
Palmer is no longer in the Air Coryell offense, chucking the ball downfield for his WR to make a play. He’s still got that gunslinger mentality though, as we’ve seen in the preseason. That wont change
Dennis Allen is a gambler. He’d rather see Palmer throw into double coverage than take a sack or toss it out of bounds to live for the next play (like Kerry Collins was mandated to do from Norv Turner)
September 1st, 2012 at 5:03 am
I think Hubert brought in ihenacho. At the end of the season he signed a bunch of guys off the street, Ivey also being one of them. Me thinks
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yeah, signed him to the practice squad. was never on the active roster
Cumbie too, right?
September 1st, 2012 at 5:07 am
He looked good in preseason. Seems like a better option at backup LB than Sam Williams, Ricky brown, etc..
September 1st, 2012 at 5:09 am
Not a fan of all the rollouts either. We saw around the league in preseason (not just Raiders) teams killing it with heavy A-gap pressure and someone on blind-side contain. If it’s done like once every 10-15 pass plays, ok. But i can see much aggravation in the first half of the Chargers game seeing Palmer loping slowly and getting hurried/sacked on the rollout.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:10 am
I don’t like Knapp either.
He’s getting a pass so far on the basis of ‘he doesn’t want to show anything’ in the pre-season.
I don’t buy it.
Yeah, you don’t want to tip your hand early, but I think we’ve seen enough to get an idea of what he’s going to be like anyway.
Throughout the entire pre-season, I saw ONE play from him that had me thinking ‘that’s something new and worked ok’. Talking about the bubble screen quick hit to DMAC early in the first game.
Knapp is a bore. Too conservative. Will consistently throw short of the chains. Play calling in relation to time management at the end of a half or game is terrible.
Seems to be asking players to fit into his system, rather than building an offense designed to maximize the talents we have.
Seriously do not understand why he was given the job.
If the offense regresses, he’ll probably be the main reason.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:12 am
Knapp is a bore. Too conservative. Will consistently throw short of the chains. Play calling in relation to time management at the end of a half or game is terrible.
Seems to be asking players to fit into his system, rather than building an offense designed to maximize the talents we have.
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co-signed!
September 1st, 2012 at 5:15 am
I lost a bet on the SeaGull game. No blog til the season starts.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:19 am
#237…
Seems to be asking players to fit into his system, rather than building an offense designed to maximize the talents we have.
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Yep, the better OC’s tailor their offense around the players/weapons they have. Much aggravation with our offense in the first few games until RM/DA must do something, take play-calling off him, or install Saunders, or maybe DA in coach meetings installing a gameplan against a team forcing Knapp to compile all the more aggressive plays that I am sure are there in the playbook. I just rather see us come out and win in good fashion against the Chargers, and get on a roll, and not have to endure first a month period where Knapp’s play-calling is the main reason for on-field losses, going 1-3 and having DA forced to do something to Knapp.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:22 am
LMAO. Told you that you knew nothing about gambling.
Your SeaGull GF knows more than you do.
What’s worse is you welching on the bet !
See you next Monday, Riff.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:24 am
Riff is dating a Seahawks fan??
yikes!
September 1st, 2012 at 5:27 am
catch up with you gents later.. enjoy the day!
September 1st, 2012 at 5:28 am
GG, I like your takes.
Putting aside the Knapp debate for a second…what do you think about an OC calling plays from the sideline ?
Good idea ? or is it preferrable to have the OC and his assistants upstairs in a booth making the calls ?
September 1st, 2012 at 5:29 am
Later, RR
September 1st, 2012 at 5:29 am
A guy worth a shot is RB Tauren Poole, he was cut from Carolina after going undrafted out of Tennessee (Reggie’s alma mater).
This kid showed some potential in College and was the MVP at the East-West Shrine game, he was one of the players I mentioned before the draft as worth a look.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:35 am
#244, i think these days it’s more effective having them upstairs calling plays, a little war room there with all the technology at their disposal, and seeing things from above.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:35 am
Why’d he go undrafted and is he a power back or another small but quick guy ?
September 1st, 2012 at 5:36 am
Cya RR!
September 1st, 2012 at 5:37 am
i think these days it’s more effective having them upstairs calling plays, a little war room there with all the technology at their disposal, and seeing things from above.
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Agreed.
One of the first things that made me warey of Knapp.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:43 am
#250…
Pretty much after every 3 and out, or timeout, you see Knapp having to talk to the QB or other player asking them why this and that happened, etc. He can’t see shizz on the sideline, distracted with all the noise, assistants he has to go locate, etc. Just cant get into that mental zone a play-caller needs to be in, cocooned and seeing everything from above not having to ask etc. Knapp play-calling is just him reading his own same decade-old script. I think the worst thing we’re gonna see right off the bat is that whole agony of all the three and outs in the first half…like last time Knapp ran Kiffin’s offense. I gouged out my eyes and brain that year.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:43 am
RAIDERMAN99
Tauren Poole 5′10 213, is an all-around back with decent size speed combo, was projected to be drafted in the mid-low rounds, I don’t know why he went undrafted, maybe because he had a down year as a senior after a good junior year.
He got positive reviews at Carolina’s training camp but didn’t make the cut.
Here’s a couple of pre-draft reports:
The National Football Post:
A strong, well-put together back with a thicker lower half and good overall muscle tone through the thighs. Possesses a good first step when asked to press the line of scrimmage. Gets north/south quickly and deciphers info well inside. Displays an above-average feel between the tackles and does a nice job setting up blocks and accelerating toward daylight. At times makes some poor decisions as a runner, typically in space, but for the most part is pretty dependable.
Is a one-cut back who is a bit tight in the hips when he gets up to full speed, more of a weaver when asked to run in space. However, inside he keeps his feet under him, can stick his foot in the ground and explode quickly up field. Does a good job finishing runs and lowing his pad level in short yardage /goal line situations. But inside, he runs a bit upright. Doesn’t run with great forward lean when pressing the hole and at times gets knocked off balance and goes down far too easy. Nevertheless, runs hard and has the type of straight-line speed at the second level to outpace angles and create yards by the chunk. Doesn’t have a ton of wiggle to his game, is better off running toward space in the open field. But in tight area displays enough short area quickness and power to side step a defender and break a tackle.
I came away impressed with his ability on 3rd downs as well. Is an intelligent blocker, recognizes blitz pick-up quickly, is patient into blocks and displays natural anchor strength. Also, demonstrates a good feel in the pass game, has some savvy as a route runner, locates the ball quickly and will pluck/create in the short passing game when matched up on linebackers.
Impression: A thick, strong back who runs hard and displays natural one-cut ability. Runs a bit high and isn’t overly fluid making defenders miss. But can break tackles, play on third down and looks like a solid contributing NFL back.
- From cnnsi:
Biography: Two-year starter who posted 187 attempts/693 yards/5 touchdowns on the ground and 21 receptions for 164 yards as a senior. Junior totals included career-best numbers of 204/1034/11 rushing with 22/171/1 receiving. All-academic performer in college.
Positives: Creative, quick ballcarrier who consistently displays the ability to find yardage. Possesses a burst of speed and the ability to cut back against the grain. Loses little momentum changing direction. Weaves through the traffic on the inside, gets through small openings and is a quick-footed ballcarrier who bounces around defenders or piles. Adjusts off the initial hit and immediately gets back to running form. Picks his way on the inside, can string several moves together over the course of a single run and consistently runs north-south. Gives effort blocking and picks up assignments. Adequate receiver out of the backfield.
Negatives: Does not display the flat-out speed to beat defenders around the corner. Not a back who breaks tackles or picks up much yardage off initial contact.
Analysis: Poole is a versatile back with terrific size/speed, and he could fill many roles in the NFL. He’d be effective as a third-down back or situational runner and could eventually develop into a No. 1 ballcarrier for an NFL franchise.
Projection: 4th
September 1st, 2012 at 5:45 am
Could lightining strike twice?.
“Arian Foster, a mentor for Poole at Tennessee. Like Poole, Foster rushed for more than 1,000 yards as a junior, fewer than 700 as a senior and was not drafted.
Foster signed as a free agent in 2009 and in 2010 he became a star.”
September 1st, 2012 at 5:47 am
Btw, Raiderman99, PFT just posted a video segment about the new IR rule.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/01/new-injured-reserve-rule-could-be-more-trouble-than-its-worth/
September 1st, 2012 at 5:48 am
“Is a one-cut back”
System fit maybe as well.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:54 am
Interesting.
I’m open to ANYONE over Goodson.
Pretty sure his fumbling is going to bite us, if he’s given touches.
Would prefer a hammer capable of gaining a few yards and helping to carry the load.
Love Taiwan, and for my money DMAC is the best all-purpose back in the NFL.
Goodson does not bring to the table what the Raids need to complete the backfield.
Need some more heft, power and physicality.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:56 am
Like the title of that PFT video. After hearing how the rule works it sounds accurate.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:58 am
Knapp knows this is his last shot as and NFL OC-play-caller, his last 2 jobs as OC were handed to him by his best buddy Jim Mora Jr. back in Atlanta and Seattle, in SF he had success but that was 8-9 years ago, the League has evolved since then, teams are going with much more agressive, down the field type schemes, Knapp better evolve as well, I still have hopes for the guy.
September 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
Tauren Poole > goodson
September 1st, 2012 at 6:02 am
Raiderman99 in his mid 50’s and jello for a knee > Goodson
September 1st, 2012 at 6:03 am
I didn’t like the hire and I have serious doubts about him, but he’s smart and a hell of a QB Coach, he just needs to figure out how to implement some new stuff into his playbook, perhaps spending 2 years next to Kubiak helped.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:03 am
What’s good Thec ?
September 1st, 2012 at 6:04 am
Looking around league-wide, there aren’t many good OCs, especially compared to good DCs. There’s a lack of them about. There are a bunch of young future prospects tho.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:05 am
RB is the centerpiece of Knapp’s Offense, I would not be surprised if we pick a guy up and carry 4 of them into the season, as well as the 2 FB’s.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:07 am
Kubiak ?
Pffft.
Don’t like that Houston offense either. Admittedly, it scores points, but I still find it unimaginative. Think they have plenty of weapons and a damned good OLine. I attribute their success more to personnel than Kubiak.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:08 am
Thec Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
Tauren Poole > goodson
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I like Poole a lot, but I don’t think he’s healthy right now.
Would like to see Kahlil Bell get a look. Honestly, I’d feel a lot more comfortable with the running game if the Raiders carried four RBs.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:12 am
Saints have 5 RBs and 2 FBs.
I’ve always loved Pierre Thomas all the way back to Illinois. If we can trade for Thomas or Cadet (could be a solution as a returner as well). Another I like is Armando Allen, recently waived by the Bears.
Tauren Poole is a good prospect as well.
Another return guy we could evaluate is Clyde Gates, has 4.30 speed, needs coaching as a receiver, not versatile but.
If I were cold and hard GM, I’d trade Ford for Pierre Thomas/Cadet. Pick up A.Allen from waivers.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:13 am
RAIDERMAN99
Kubiak ?
Pffft.
Don’t like that Houston offense either. Admittedly, it scores points, but I still find it unimaginative. Think they have plenty of weapons and a damned good OLine. I attribute their success more to personnel than Kubiak.
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I disagree here, Kubiak’s Offense is good, I’ve watched a few games over the last couple of years and the play design is very good, you can constantly find open receivers down the field and they make a ton of big plays, very close to what Shanny does in Washington, I’ve watched them last year and trust me, every game there were a number of guys open for big plays only to have Grossman or Beck make horrible throws.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:14 am
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/01/cuts-who-can-contribute/
September 1st, 2012 at 6:17 am
Also, even tho he’s a head-case, always wanted Vontaze Burfict here too. He seems to have already put in and grasped the playbook quicker than his competitor for a spot on the 53, and wont take long before he’s starting over Maualuga.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:17 am
Is it possible Reese gets carries we don’t expect ?
Can’t see it.
DMAC will pound in addition to the speed and hands game – but you don’t want to wear him out with too many gut runs.
Obvious need for a hammer, even if they keep Goodson around.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:21 am
Is it possible Reese gets carries we don’t expect ?
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He should. Ill be disappointed if he doesn’t get at least 10 rushes/catches/targets a game.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:28 am
I don’t think Reece has the RB mentality, the first thing you need is vision and we don’t know if he has that, but he runs too upright and doesn’t seem get low and take on tacklers, he can gain yards on draws and designed plays, but I don’t see him running between the tackles effectively, then again it’s a new scheme, maybe he feels more comfortable running sideways and picking a hole, oh and he needs to secure the rock man, seems to me he carries it too far away from his body.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:32 am
You remember the pass JC hit Reese on near the end of the Jet game last year ?
JC, on the move, hit him in stride deep downfield. Might have been Campbell’s best throw as a Raid. But I digress…
If used correctly, Reese can be the most effective fullback catching passes in the entire league.
Typically, one envisions a FB catching a pass in the flats, or perhaps rumbling on a screen.
As a FB, Reese is capable of stretching the field like no other. Has good hands and speed and he will make a catch with his back to the LOS. Unique talent set that should be utilized.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:34 am
RAIDERMAN99.
If used correctly, Reese can be the most effective fullback catching passes in the entire league.
Typically, one envisions a FB catching a pass in the flats, or perhaps rumbling on a screen.
As a FB, Reese is capable of stretching the field like no other. Has good hands and speed and he will make a catch with his back to the LOS. Unique talent set that should be utilized.
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Well said.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:36 am
Yeah Bob, I agree. Not sold on Reese as a RB. Might be wrong. Still think Raids need some more size toting the rock occasionally.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:36 am
I hope JFB is correct about Goodson being brought in for mostly Teams play. That may have been the reason he’s still around. I’d much rather see Taiwan with majority of carries while Darren gets a breather.
I still would like to see Regg bring in a few guys to see if they can help out for depth purposes.
As far as Hagan is concerned. I was pissed to see him leave over TJHoush last season, but with Streater emerging as a possesion guy, i don’t think there’s much need for Hagan at this point.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 4:36 am
Bergstrom is a tackle trying to play guard. Could he be leapfrogged by Nix?
and Barksdale sucks!
Shouldnt Bergs get a shot at tackle to unseat him?
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Berg will be our starting LG, either later this year or next. Nix is more of long-term project.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:39 am
Bruce Campbell both survived!!
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Of course he did.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:40 am
Barksdale looks much, MUCH better at LT than he does RT. He’s still a little inconsistent, but you can tell where his natural position is.
Unfortunately the Raiders already have a Pro Bowler in the making at LT. If Veldheer gets hurt, the Raiders could do worse than Barksdale… but what if Barnes goes down? Barksdale has looked AWFUL on the right side.
There aren’t a whole lot of serviceable OTs in the league, though.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:40 am
I was not impressed with Taiwann Jones. Tries to bounce everything outside.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:41 am
Nix and Parsons making the squad surprised me. Neither played very well at all.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:43 am
#282: Who else was there?…Our O-line depth leaves a bit to be desired.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:44 am
I was not impressed with Taiwann Jones. Tries to bounce everything outside.
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Good. He should.
I’m VERY impressed by Taiwan. Not too impressed by the idea of running him between the tackles.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:45 am
I see Cartwright got released. We sure could use him on ST’s.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:45 am
If we pick up a RB we need that big Mack truck to push the pile…We already have two high maintenance sports cars in DMAC and Jones.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:46 am
CanuckRaider Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 6:43 am
#282: Who else was there?…Our O-line depth leaves a bit to be desired.
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Agreed. Weren’t many options in FA or the draft who could help immediately, either.
This is why Koppen is one guy I’d like the Raiders to try out. If he has anything left in the tank, he’s a C/OG with zone blocking experience who can fill in, especially if Wisniewski isn’t 100% yet.
At offensive tackle, though? Barksdale may be the best the Raiders can do unless they make a trade – and they’re definitely not the only team looking to trade for a tackle right now.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:48 am
JH, you got the Taimonster’s 14 yd run on tape ?
Slow that baby down, and watch for the subtle change of direction at top speed when he breaks into the 2nd level.
Instinctual. Smooth as silk. Deadly.
HTF can you not like the Taiphoon ?
September 1st, 2012 at 6:49 am
#287: Agreed YA…Koppen would give us some veteran depth…Wasn’t too impressed watching our backups get their butts kicked all night Thursday.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:50 am
If we pick up a RB we need that big Mack truck to push the pile…We already have two high maintenance sports cars in DMAC and Jones.
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Love the way you put that and totally agree.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:50 am
CanuckRaider Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 6:49 am
#287: Agreed YA…Koppen would give us some veteran depth…Wasn’t too impressed watching our backups get their butts kicked all night Thursday.
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Nor I. That’s why I’m not as critical of Goodson and Jones as some around here are. Backfield penetration on every single snap.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:51 am
Good to see some quality football chat.
With Moore and Ford missing out on reps with CP,
weeks 1-4 before the bye week are like their preseason. I’ll be content with 2-2 (1-1) until then.
a few players are going to have to step up though.
Reece must be used effectively
DHB must make some big plays vs. #1 DBs
Streater must continue to show he’s ready
Any TE must be a viable option to move the chains
The D must make big plays to make it easier for the O
September 1st, 2012 at 6:53 am
I was not impressed with Taiwann Jones. Tries to bounce everything outside.
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Good. He should.
I’m VERY impressed by Taiwan. Not too impressed by the idea of running him between the tackles.
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He’s not gonna get many carries if he loses 5 yards instead of gaining 5 or more up the middle. I wonder if he’s afraid or just trying to hard to bust a big one.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:53 am
JH, got the Det game on tape ?
No – not the WHIFF game.
This year, pre-season.
Watch the Taiphoon hurtle for the sideline to get out of bounds, stop the clock, and set up Carmona’s FG.
HTF can you not be impressed by the Taiphoon ?
September 1st, 2012 at 6:54 am
…Taiphoon, nice. He needs to contribute too.
Anything to keep DMc from having to do it all is necs to have a realistic chance of making a playoff run
September 1st, 2012 at 6:55 am
#292: Winning those first two games against SD and in Miami is a must…They are definitely both winnable…and I’d be very shocked if Reece isn’t used more, especially with the Moore and Ford situation.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:56 am
vet center Dan Koppen got axed by the Pats, too
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We might be better as a kick returner than anyone on the roster
September 1st, 2012 at 6:56 am
I’m VERY impressed by Taiwan. Not too impressed by the idea of running him between the tackles.
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I think I agree with this.
Move him to slot WR, KR, and PR.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:57 am
#293: Taiwan just needs to stop dancing, make that one cut, and go.
September 1st, 2012 at 6:58 am
We might be better as a kick returner than anyone on the roster
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No way.
Slo can do a better job.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:00 am
#296, I wouldn’t call SD a MUST win but Miami, if we lose that Miami game! The ish is gonna hit the fan sumthin fierce!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 7:00 am
Bruce Campbell and Louis Murphy > Mike Goodson and a 2013 7th round pick
0 for 2
Not good, RM.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:00 am
I hope JFB is correct about Goodson being brought in for mostly Teams play.
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I won’t let you down.
Besides the Lou Murph trade and not drafting any DB’s this year, The Reggie and I are completely on the same page.
Goodson will get some touches, maybe a Randy Jordan like role where he is in on 3rd downs to pick up blitzes and catch the occasional check-down and shovel-pass.
You aren’t going to see many 1st and 10 handoffs to him, if any at all.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:01 am
HTF can you not be impressed by the Taiphoon ?
I was cool with him as the #2 back right up until he was the feature back last game. But you can’t be our backup RB and have ZERO inside game.
I am also concerned about Goodson’s fumbleitis. I think he and The Reggime are too. So much so that I think you will see him go with the 2 hand coverup all year.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:02 am
I predict Goodson costs us a game with a fumble this season.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:02 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 6:03 am
What’s good Thec ?
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All is well. Alarm was set for work mode.
What do you think about the cuts Bruh?
MY boy LNIX made the 53.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:03 am
I might be crazy, but I’m less concerned about our return game than I am about our kick coverage.
Don’t know what this Hoffman cat has been doing, but whatever it is – it ain’t working.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:03 am
Slo can do a better job.
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We know you’ve always been a supporter.
Reverse psychology, eh?
September 1st, 2012 at 7:05 am
I was cool with him as the #2 back right up until he was the feature back last game. But you can’t be our backup RB and have ZERO inside game.
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Jones had ZERO lanes to run thru. DMAC would have gotten ZERO run with the way the D was playing.
Gotta remimber the sea D plays against cables zbs every practice. They were in every gap, on EVERY run.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:05 am
Bruce Campbell is actually the 3rd OT in Carolina behind New Mexico’s own Byron Bell, according to the Carolina blog’s depth chart (Cat Scratch Reader; best blog name in the NFL).
Expect ol’ Lochness to continue to polish his role as a sweatpant wearing inactive on Sundays.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:07 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 6:56 am
I’m VERY impressed by Taiwan. Not too impressed by the idea of running him between the tackles.
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I think I agree with this.
Move him to slot WR, KR, and PR.
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DA and GK approve of you guys wanting to move TJ to WR…lolololol
September 1st, 2012 at 7:08 am
To run the ball, you must have a HOLE to run thru.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:08 am
I get that, but there were yards to be had if he would have mentally been ok with taking a 1 or 2 yds and crashing forward.
He just looked like one of those cats who was trying to make it happen on every play instead of taking what was there.
Youngster, trying to impress, I get it.
Pretty sure the coaches can get it corrected.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:09 am
HTF can you not be impressed by the Taiphoon ?
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He needs to ba able to run throun defenders where no hole exist…lol
September 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
Can I get confirmation on us having only Goethel and Inchero as backup LBs????
September 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
What do you think about the cuts Bruh?
MY boy LNIX made the 53.
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Honestly, I’m a little surprised Goodson and DVD made it.
Goodson’s AZ game was so freaking bad, I’d have released him right there.
Agree with ChrisNY – he will cost a game if he gets touches.
DVD looked like such a weak, puny gnat – and so lost in coverage – I thought he was a goner. Guess his draft status and supposed strong camp was enough.
Will NOT be surprised to see one or both dumped before the opener.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:12 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
Can I get confirmation on us having only Goethel and Inchero as backup LBs????
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There’s Tollefson, technically. But as far as I can see, that is indeed the case. I don’t expect it to stay that way for long.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:12 am
Can I get confirmation on us having only Goethel and Inchero as backup LBs????
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Tollefson will sprinkle in on occasion.
The 3-4 will have to wait.
I think we will see a lot of 4-2-5, honestly.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:12 am
Will NOT be surprised to see one or both dumped before the opener.
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Goodson can go, was a wasted pickup in my opinion.
I like the Poole kid better anyway.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
#301: The Chargers are ripe for the plucking due to injuries and changeover…and with our early schedule, we need that 2 – 0 start.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:14 am
Refreshing to see realism on this blog this year. No over the top predictions. No “us against the world” nonsense. Just clear headed analysis and realistic expectations(except for looney puppetmeister who seems to think this is the military)for a change.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:14 am
Slo can do a better job.
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We know you’ve always been a supporter.
Reverse psychology, eh?
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Reverse psych, hell.
There’s GOT to be something he can do well.
Maybe returning kicks is Slo’s secret talent.
I’m confident he can return kicks better than a washed up Patsy Center – even if JFB isn’t.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:14 am
So from Last year to this years roster, have we improved?
Palmer / JC
Wheeler /wimbley
Bartell /routt
Goodson/bush
Burris/groves
Spencer/Johnson
Myers/boss
Schmitt/tonga
Briesel/Satele
I vote better at most positions with a couple of unknowns.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:15 am
we are thin at LBb 5 total
September 1st, 2012 at 7:15 am
YA and Chris in NY commenting right now? I cant stay away when two of the top 4 members of the blog are participating.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
#323: Rather have Bush and Boss…Otherwise we’re better off.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Maybe returning kicks is Slo’s secret talent.
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Doubt it…you have to be quick…He is Slo…lol
September 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Tuff crowd.
Goodson was damn near paralyzed the week before the Az game, and your going to criticize his performance?
Not fair at all.
He was better than Jones this past game.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:17 am
(except for looney puppetmeister who seems to think this is the military)for a change.
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Thought I was reading a Knute Rockny speech.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:17 am
99,
Do you give 55 credit for QBing the defense?
September 1st, 2012 at 7:18 am
CanuckRaider Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
#301: The Chargers are ripe for the plucking due to injuries and changeover…and with our early schedule, we need that 2 – 0 start.
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Agreed. But I just wouldn’t call it a MUST win, a should win yes.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:18 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:14 am
So from Last year to this years roster, have we improved?
Palmer / JC – Yes
Wheeler /wimbley – Yes (imo)
Bartell /routt – No
Goodson/bush – Big NO
Burris/groves – Yes
Spencer/Johnson – Yes (I never liked CJ)
Myers/boss – No
Schmitt/tonga – Yes
Briesel/Satele – No (but nobody saw this coming)
Lets not forget the coaching department. Major improvements.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:18 am
And in other Bay Area sports news How about those swinging A’s 13 out of 15 7 in a row. imagine how good they could be if the owner actually gave a shvt!!
September 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
I was never impressed by goodson fron day 1.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Tuff crowd.
Goodson was damn near paralyzed the week before the Az game, and your going to criticize his performance?
Not fair at all.
He was better than Jones this past game.
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Im a Goodson hater but you make a good point.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Refreshing to see realism on this blog this year. No over the top predictions. No “us against the world” nonsense. Just clear headed analysis and realistic expectations(except for looney puppetmeister who seems to think this is the military)for a change.
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19-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 7:20 am
CanuckRaider Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
#301: The Chargers are ripe for the plucking due to injuries and changeover…and with our early schedule, we need that 2 – 0 start.
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If we dont start 2-0, our season is finished IMO.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Season about to begin and the fun is just starting with more moves. This team needs to get a HB and go get a Qb still for future. Green bay just dropped a guy. Its gonna be fun watching what reggie does. Its also interesting and nice alot of AL’s guys made the team still. cumbie and those guys. AL still had something there. Lets go Raiders and reggie go get those waver wire guys teams are hiding.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Gotta run. She’s back from the shower.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
hopefully DMO and WIZ should be suiting up against the disc.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
No linebackers,no tightends,wr’s are delicate little flowers,zone blocking sucks,QB cant play in west coast.Felles 8-8 at best if healthy.Dont have any dellusions.Im exited to,but this roster is not as good as last years.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
Toleffson could play LB if needed
September 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
We will keep Stupar, Kilgore, and Burnett on the PS.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Tuff crowd.
Goodson was damn near paralyzed the week before the Az game, and your going to criticize his performance?
Not fair at all.
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Behind a less than stellar 2nd-team offensive line, too.
My thoughts exactly, JHill.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Routt was an over-paid average CB at best…Bartel is better and more physical.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
99,
Do you give 55 credit for QBing the defense?
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Yup JH, I do.
I’m tough on Slo. One of his harshest critics.
When someone fks up and hurts the Raids – I’m relentless.
Conversely, I give props when props are due.
I think Slo does a good job setting the D.
Think he’s vastly underrated in coverage.
Beginning to believe he is a good blitzer.
Still say he is not the run stuffer he should be.
Still remains on my ish list for the JOG, WHIFF and FUNERAL FKUP.
Slo has a long way to go to get off my ish list.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
Stupar got exspoed because of the numbers game. He made some plays against seattle.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
I agree with PuppetShow.
The 53 guys we have are the guys who are going to get us this AFC West ticket to the dance.
Parson, Barksdale, Nix, and Bergstrom won the backup OL positions. Good Job, men!!!
Jones and Goodson will be perfect compliments to THE Darren McFadden.
WR talent is as good as it’s ever been.
We got this!!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 7:28 am
J Hill and YA: No RB could have run behind those bums trying to block…TP was running for his life as well.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:30 am
And in other Bay Area sports news How about those swinging A’s 13 out of 15 7 in a row
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Gotta give props to the A’s and Giants.
Playing some damn good baseball.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:32 am
8-8 is my prediction, too. Same as last year. I think they’ll be 7-9 at worst, 9-7 at best.
But regardless of the number of wins, the franchise as a whole is making progress. You can’t expect to rebuild a franchise from the ground up in one season.
I know a lot of us are anxious to see a winner, but patience is key. This organization is doing a lot of things for the first time in its history.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
The 53 guys we have are the guys who are going to get us this AFC West ticket to the dance.
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I’d say probably 50/53, give or take, are going to be along for the ride.
Like any season, there will be attrition. And the Raiders will have to make some moves along the way regardless. But this is how the NFL works.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:00 am
#296, I wouldn’t call SD a MUST win but Miami, if we lose that Miami game! The ish is gonna hit the fan sumthin fierce!!!
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ALL home division games are must win games
September 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
I agree with PuppetShow.
The 53 guys we have are the guys who are going to get us this AFC West ticket to the dance.
Parson, Barksdale, Nix, and Bergstrom won the backup OL positions. Good Job, men!!!
Jones and Goodson will be perfect compliments to THE Darren McFadden.
WR talent is as good as it’s ever been.
We got this!!!!
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Got what, exactly? Super Bowl contender?
September 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
Thec Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
We will keep Stupar, Kilgore, and Burnett on the PS.
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I liked what I saw brom Burnett all preseason & Stupar for a 7th rounded had a real good game in Seattle.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
Doing alot of things differently I agree.I like the fact they want to win on defence,been waiting for years to here that.But took a major step back on offense with the fireing of hue and the hireing of knapp,and that pisss me off.Damn at least keep the same offesive system.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
I’ve never been a huge Knapp fan, but I’m not going to pass judgement on him before I see this offense roll out in live game action with a real gameplan.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
IMHO, if you go position by position and ask are we better this year compared to last? – you’re going to have some improvements and some downgrades.
Honestly though, that’s NOT the correct way to look at it.
The only real question is – is the SUM of our parts greater this year compared to last year ?
One thing we should all recognize is that assembling great individual talent goes a long way towards success – but ultimately the parts have to fit, players must know their roles, and the coaches have to get every ounce of effort and production out of them.
Sometimes a less talented squad can be more successful than a squad that appears loaded.
There’s an art to building a TEAM.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:40 am
I’ll tell you what – I enjoy the swagger Bartell and Spencer play with. Mostly because it’s not that kind of “swagger” that results in dumb penalties. And they’re more than willing to come up and make run stops.
Are either of them technically as talented as Routt? Nope. Do I expect them to perform better than he did last season? Absolutely.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:43 am
Roster at beginning of season is better than beginning of last season;
we’ve improved at:
WR (night and day),
OL (Vehldeer & Wisniewski are proven, although mainly because Barnes has improved so much),
LB (night and day)
S same players, yet each player: Branch, Huff, Giordano, & Mitchell has taken that next step-taken their game to a higher level;
QB Palmer, Leinart, Pryor are a level above Campbell, Boller, Pryor
Positions we are the same
K/P pro-bowl players
RB/FB McFadden one of the best, same concerns-this postion simply different in that we lost Bush, gained Schmitt, Jones gives us that quick acceleration Reece the X-factor still
DL one of the best still
CB could not be any worse than last year
(only) position we are weaker:
TE losing Boss hurts, but Meyrs, Gordon, and Ausberry now have the opportunity to prove otherwise
September 1st, 2012 at 7:43 am
Funny thing about “the whiff” is that really might have beed 55’s best game.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:44 am
Yup,part of that art is you dont trade a good wr for a seventh round pick especially when the others are known for being hurt.You might want to resighn the running back who got you the tough yard after your starter goes out after the 6th game as usuall.You dont completly change a top ten offense after the huge strides they just made.Not a believer in this new regime.Set backs,setbacks,setbacks.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:46 am
Got what, exactly?
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LOLOLOLOL
September 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
Can I get confirmation on us having only Goethel and Inchero as backup LBs????
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Oakland_Raiders_roster
September 1st, 2012 at 7:49 am
This is CLEARLY the most talent Knapp has had to work with since his SF days.
Right there with you YA.
Let’s see what he does.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:49 am
#360.WR’s night and day?Linebkers night and day?Dude your heart is in the right place,but you are dellusional.The only part better is a real defensive system.That is it.We are not ready for zoneblocking,the QB can not play in the west coast.come on man.I said before,watching palmer try to roll to the right is like watching hulk hogan still try to wrestle.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:49 am
What do you guys think of Josh Johnson and Brian Hoyer in relation to Leinart and Pryor, factoring in both short-term readiness and long-term upside? Which two would you keep?
I don’t see it happening, but I’d think both those guys are an upgrade over Leinart, especially in terms of upside value. I don’t think Pryor is ready at all, but don’t want to give up on him this early. We all knew he’s a project QB with absurd athleticism. And by all accounts he’s working his azz off.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Bush was a FA who chased the higher paycheck to BACKUP Forte.
He didn’t want to be here.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:52 am
” duhhh I wanted my guy duhhh” Well you got him cheif.Tuck that bottom lip now,your makeing me sick!
September 1st, 2012 at 7:53 am
Never even made him an offer GUY!
September 1st, 2012 at 7:53 am
Oakfoshow is spot on, Reggie is hurting this team…
September 1st, 2012 at 7:53 am
Funny thing about “the whiff” is that really might have beed 55’s best game.
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Slo did get low and stick his nose into the pile on the earlier 4th down stuff, that game.
Were there two of them that day ? Can’t remember.
Doesn’t matter really.
That WHIFF was so INCREDIBLY BAD, that it negated whatever he did earlier that game.
Just wiped it out.
Although a win in wk 17 still gets us the division, the WHIFF more than any other play cost us a playoff berth.
And since we’re going 19-0 this year – a shot at defending the Lombardi with a perfect season !
September 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Tell you guys what.IF reggie can grab me a real tight end (cooly,A red zone wr (burris),another decent linebacker(for when mclain goes to prison for being a fkn moron)I will retract some of comments.
September 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Chris you are not serious about Hoyer? The guy is terrible! End of story.
And all of you stop crying about Knapp, you haven’t even seen the playbook, if you really think the exhibitions games are an indication sorry you just don’t know football.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am
We have all seen his playbook guy.Been failing for quite some time now,how do you think he ended up a qb coach last year.I’ll tell ya HE SUCKS…
September 1st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Got the new SI football preview and interesting note/stat on us last year.
For all you “We need to run 2 TE’s sets” crowd:
The Raiders averaged 1.6 yards per carry when they had 2 TE’s on the field, a full 2.2 yards less than the 2nd worst team in the NFL”
Fire Hue!!!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 8:03 am
Stop it trust me Knapp is chomping at the bit with the weapons he has, you guys stop complaining
September 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am
I also love it, because they give you the sacks and penalties of every starting NFL lineman.
Here’s ours from last year:
Veldheer- 4 sacks, 7 holds, 4 FS
Savage – 1 sack, 2 holds, 0 FS
Wiz – 1.5 sacks, 4 holds, 2 FS
Briesel – 1 sack, 2 holds, 5 FS
Barnes- 3.5 sack, 3 holds , 6 FS
September 1st, 2012 at 8:06 am
Also:
6.9 ypc were allowed by Oakland against 6 man O-lines. Out of 33 of such running plays, the Raiders only forced one to end in a loss.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am
What do you guys think of Josh Johnson and Brian Hoyer in relation to Leinart and Pryor, factoring in both short-term readiness and long-term upside? Which two would you keep?
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Matt Leinart is a waste of time. Even if he knows Krapp’s system – so what ?
He’s not going to win games now or in the future.
I thought we paid coaches good money to teach thier systems and prep the players. Somehow Matty Lice and his helium ballons made the roster, bcz he knows the system. Not good enough a reason for me.
Give me a guy that has a chance to develop into something any day of the week.
Don’t know enough to say whether JJ or BH can be anything (JJ didn’t look bad against SD), but I do know there’s NO FUTURE WITH LICE.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:07 am
HUE top 10 offense.Knapp never made below 23.nuff said.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:08 am
Carson also is quoted as saying “he has 3 good years left in him”.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am
HUE top 10 offense.Knapp never made below 23.nuff said.
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Knapp has OC’d a top 3 scoring offense more recently than the Raiders have made the playoffs.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:10 am
Hue + a legit DC > Dennis Allen + Knapp. Especially with Palmer at QB.
Not saying we won’t be good this year. Not saying DA can’t be a good HC. Just have my doubts about Palmer maximizing his skills in a WCO system. And Hue was one of the best play callers we’ve ever had … and we’ve had many. Hue is a far better play caller than Knapp. And, stylistically, I appreciated Hue’s wackiness, swagger and confidence more than DA’s all-business, make everything as boring as possible approach which can stall motivational ability over the long haul and be mistaken for a lack of confidence at times.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:10 am
If your referring to houston.he was a qb coach.Did not call plays.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
Oakfoshow
He is refering to SF! Look up the stats before making dumb comments!
September 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
#384.You my raider fan friend are an intelligent feller.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
Compare Veldheer’s numbers to Duane Brown’s of Houston, who made the All-Pro 2nd team, and you see Jared has a long ways to go.
Brown gave up 2 sacks, with zero holds as a 16 game starter at LT.
0 holds to Veldheer’s 7.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:14 am
MOOch called most of the plays you child.You go do some research before makeing assenine comments.KNAPP IS CRAPP! and I will be here to remind you every monday.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:14 am
Chris
Hue was not one of the best play callers we ever had! Hue was running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Some of his calls were dumbfounding. Some of the calls were half baked and caused penalties on the offense. It is funny when we remember back on things we only remember the good stuff.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:14 am
Hue is a far better play caller than Knapp
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Also from SI:
71.1% was the percentage of goal-to-go plays the Raiders ran the ball, tops in the NFL.
Raiders finished 24th in red zone efficiency.
Stubborn azz Hue, continued to fail in the red zone all last year running the ball, and never adapted.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:14 am
Eddie Mush,
Who do you like this season?
September 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
Oakfoshow
You are full of it. He was the OC and called most the plays. Garcia said as much back then.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:16 am
MOOch called most of the plays you child
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Ummmm…..Mooch wasn’t even the HC in 2003, when Krapp had a top 3 scoring offense that I referred to.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am
#391 TOP TEN OFFENSE LAST YEAR.DO you have a learning dissability?
September 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Everyone’s favorite Logan Mankins:
5.5 sacks, 2 holds, 5 false starts.
For the record, that is 4.5 sacks and 5 false starts more than Cooper Carlisle.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am
391 TOP TEN OFFENSE LAST YEAR.DO you have a learning dissability?
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I look at points, not yards.
2011 we were 16th in points.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Garcia also said he wasnt gay,but we all know the truth.KNAPP sucks get it throgh your freaking heads.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:19 am
Sept. 10th will be the first day the Raiders have a modern NFL defense in a long time.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
#397 ang I garuntee we wont be even close to that this year with KNAPP.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
#374: Agreed…QB is not a problem area…Hoyer, Vince Young, etc. can stay where they are.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
KIRK thats only upside to this season,but will be great to see.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Oakforshow
I have my doubts about Knapp as well (espeically with Palmer and the OL changes) but your arguements are weak. In #395 you talk about top 10 offense but what the other guy is talking about is Red Zone efficiency and scoring. you are comparing apples and oranges.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am
#397 ang I garuntee we wont be even close to that this year with KNAPP.
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How about a wager?
I would be glad to put you in line with others on here who I have taken money from.
Anything close would be in the 15-20 range right?
I will give YOU 2-1 odds that we don’t finish worse than 20th in the league in scoring.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am
oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Garcia also said he wasnt gay,but we all know the truth.KNAPP sucks get it throgh your freaking heads.
What does Garcia’s sexual orientation have to do with this. Garcia was the staring QB at the time and would know who called the plays. Just admit it – your wrong on this!
September 1st, 2012 at 8:23 am
IM comparring knapp to Hue.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hue is a far better play caller than Knapp. And, stylistically, I appreciated Hue’s wackiness, swagger and confidence more than DA’s all-business, make everything as boring as possible approach which can stall motivational ability over the long haul and be mistaken for a lack of confidence at times.
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I’ve said many times I loved Hue’s balls to the wall aggression. I’ll err on the side of aggression every time over boring and conservative. Having said that, even I think Hue went a little overboard.
Bottom line is Hue got himself fired. The tactical errors (not kicking FG against Cle, not going for 2 against Det), getting destroyed in back to back weeks against GB and Mia – were probably enough to get him canned.
But ultimately, he positively DOOMED himself with his big mouth and perceived power grab. He HAD to know Mark Davis was going to bring in a GM. He made it clear as day that he was going to be a problem within the coming organizational restructure.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Hue Jackson has OC’d 1 top 10 scoring team in 4 years as an OC.
Knapp has done so in 3 of his 9 years.
Hue is such a good OC, he is now coaching DB’s and ST’s, lol.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:25 am
No i wont.Knapp has done jack shirt,and mooch was calling most of the the fkn plays.I doubt you wre even 3 years old back than.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:25 am
I just want to see Knapp adapt to the pieces he has. We’ve seen some signs of that thus far, but not enough to make any assumptions one way or the other.
His inability to adapt has been an issue at times, so that’s going to be something I’ll be watching closely.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:27 am
From the Super Bowl champion Giants odd stats:
220 plays on which Giants O-lineman allowed pressure on the QB, dead last in the NFL, 15 more than 2nd place.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:27 am
If it wasnt for allen,knapp would be coaching qb’s right now,not bad for a guy who supposed to have coached 3 great offenses.LOL
September 1st, 2012 at 8:27 am
Carson also is quoted as saying “he has 3 good years left in him”.
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Slo should be getting out of prison in time to attend the retirement party.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
I’d also like to see what Knapp can do with Moore, Ford, Heyward-Bey, Reece, and McFadden all on the field at the same time. If you can’t make something happen with that lineup, then you shouldn’t be an offensive coordinator.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
and mooch was calling most of the the fkn plays
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Mariucci was calling the 49ers 2003 plays, as the Detroit Lions HC?
September 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
JFB
#408 is truth. Other head coaches went head to head against Hue for two years while he was the Raiders OC and HC/OC. There was no rush to get him as an OC. Compare that with say Todd Haley or some of the other former OC Head Coaches that were fired and how quickly teams picked them up as OC’s.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am
#408 You wanna tell me when hue was a 4year offensive co? 1 year off.co., 1 year head coach,and still accomplished more than knapp in 10 years.SEE once again teenagers trying to talk about football is goofy.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am
88.5%, percentage of drop-backs in which Eli Manning was pressured but avoided being sacked, the best escape rate in the league.
As I said, the Giants have a crappy O-line and still won the Super Bowl.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am
I see you passed over the wager scneario, lol.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am
O-linemen can’t be judged on this small sample of stats alone. It’s a position that really requires study of each play. What kind of movement they generate in the run game. What kind of pressure — not just sacks — they allow on passing plays. What kind of competition did they face, what kind of help did they have.
Veldheer was excellent last year with the exception of going against Julius Peppers. And he was just a 2nd year guy out of a D2 school. Only going to get better. Should be a cornerstone of this team for years to come.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Look how long it took for hue to get fired though.most teams already had there staffs in place.Hue will be back at somebodys helm soon.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Eagles:
3.2, the number of seconds Mike Vick spent in the pocket, 2nd only to Tebow.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Defense will be better than last year because of scheme and playcalling changes alone.
This season is about two things:
1. DMAC staying healthy
2. Carson Palmer playing to his pay
September 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Damn J’Marcus Webb (LT-Bears):
14 sacks, 4 holds, 8 FS
And he is set to start again at LT!!!
Cutler FFL owners have been warned.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
#404.I be happy to take that.Love breaking pockets of guys who hearts think for them.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am
Packers:
75.7, % of goal-to-guy plays in which they passed the ball, tops in the league.
Packers were 3rd in RZ efficiency.
You pass the ball to score these days, even from the 2 yard line.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hue is a far better play caller than Knapp. And, stylistically, I appreciated Hue’s wackiness, swagger and confidence more than DA’s all-business, make everything as boring as possible approach which can stall motivational ability over the long haul and be mistaken for a lack of confidence at times.
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I’ve said many times I loved Hue’s balls to the wall aggression. I’ll err on the side of aggression every time over boring and conservative. Having said that, even I think Hue went a little overboard.
Bottom line is Hue got himself fired. The tactical errors (not kicking FG against Cle, not going for 2 against Det), getting destroyed in back to back weeks against GB and Mia – were probably enough to get him canned.
But ultimately, he positively DOOMED himself with his big mouth and perceived power grab. He HAD to know Mark Davis was going to bring in a GM. He made it clear as day that he was going to be a problem within the coming organizational restructure.
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Raiderman
I appreciate this sentiment but my impression of last years team was a disorganized mess with a carismatic coach that had an AD messiah complex. In interviews it was obvious Hue was very spontaneous – for instance he told Palmer he was not playing against KC but then threw him in. Pryor said he did not even talk to anyone because it was so chaotic in an interview. The defense says things like this year we are playing a “real defense.” I just have the impression that the reason we go so many penaltities and did so many stupid things is we were not adequately prepared at times and we did not make very good half time adjustments especially late in the season. If I was a player I would like to feel like we have a coherant game plan and plan of attack and have confidence my coaches were studying and putting me in a position to succeed rather than what I saw last year.
Oh and by the way Foshow – I was over 40 years old in the early 2000’s and I am no 49er’s fan but was aware of their system because it was similar to what Gruden was trying at the time in Oakland.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am
#404.I be happy to take that.Love breaking pockets of guys who hearts think for them.
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So your going to “love” having the Raiders be worse than 20th in the league in scoring?
LOL
$50, I give you 2-1 odds.
Make sure not to change your screen name or run away by December.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am
#423 has dmac stayed healthy yet? WE know palmer cant play west coast. 8-8 at best.This offense is going to be a complete and utter failure.We have all seen this before.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Ill be here cheif.OF course I dont want them to be worse.I want them to be #1,but im not dumb enough to think otherwise. $50.00 says we will be worse than #20 straight up.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:40 am
.I be happy to take that.Love breaking pockets of guys who hearts think for them.
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I think we have the first bet on 2012 !
Just to make sure neither of you guys default on paying – why don’t you both send me the amount of the wager to hold on to until the bet is settled ?
September 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Look how long it took for hue to get fired though.most teams already had there staffs in place.Hue will be back at somebodys helm soon.
Oakfoshow – This is true but there were at least 5 teams that passed on Hue for OC including Pittsburg that was a former divsion rival and knew his work well. Face it he could not even get a position coach gig or something like Al Saunders has with us. He is working with the scout team for crine out loud. I think it will be a while before Hue gets an OC job if ever at least in the NFL.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
All right, locked and loaded.
As we get closer to the end of the season, we can figure ways to settle it.
I think by November, when we are a top 10 scoring team, I might let you buy out early, lol.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
Yea right.I dont stiff.Havent lost in long time either.I was watching this team before just fire was an itch in his daddys pants.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
Hue is perfect for the college game, and I would expect him to land a HC gig at 3rd tier team in a year or two.
Like Leach as WSU or something along those lines.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
#432 sounds like another feller wanting to lose a 50.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am
#423 has dmac stayed healthy yet? WE know palmer cant play west coast. 8-8 at best.This offense is going to be a complete and utter failure.We have all seen this before.
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And the skepticism is why the pundits are down on the Raiders.
If DMAC suffers another foot injury, he’s done.
As for CP, he should be able to execute the WCO if he’s the real deal. I don’t like the WCO or ZBS either…but they elected to go with Knapp so it is what it is.
The WCO is an offense that a QB with accuracy and pocket awareness should be able to execute at a high level.
Carson was traded for a 1st and a minimum 2nd round pick and paid $16 million. He should be ability or inability to excel is on him
September 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
No,we can figure a way to settle now.I once repoed a guys fake leg over a 50 bet.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
I didn’t mind Hue, but the biggest downfall of the Raiders in 2011 was discipline. That’s what McKenzie came in wanting to improve, and that’s why Hue was not the right man for the job.
Allen may not make the Raiders a Superbowl contender in 2012, but he’ll make them a disciplined team. You don’t get to the Superbowl without being disciplined on the field.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am
No,we can figure a way to settle now
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I think I’ll wait, thank you.
We got close to 5 months until the season is over, no hurry to give you my info.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Oakfoshow
While we are disagreeing on the facts, I do have some issues with this new offense. There are a lot of changes being made. We are going from a predominatly power blocking team to a zbs. We are making CP3 do a lot of 3 step drop timing routes and naked bootlegs. There is way more play action (and if you remember Campbell was so good at this he could fool the camera people!). We also do not have our BU running back Mr. Bush nor a true #1 TE or even WR at this pont. So I will say this. If McFadden does not stay healthy and our key recievers DHB and DenMoore do not stay healthy and get better we may be in for a long season as far as scoring. However, there is no way I would bet for the demise of a team I have been following since 1965!!
However, to say a WCO does not work is stupid. Take a look at Green Bay or even Oakland in 2001-2003 – those offenses can work but simply having the system is no magic cure.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
#437. Dude its not like i dont want this to succeed,but come on man.Halph of our best weapons will be on hr by week 10.Ford,moore cant even make it through 2 weeks of camp.Dmac has never been able to stay healthy,and carson looks like jeff george out there in preseason.Whats left? this d will be improved,but not enough to overcome KNAPP’S bllsht.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:53 am
How many points did we score in week 1 last year? 23 I think.
We will put up more than that next week.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:54 am
I think by November, when we are a top 10 scoring team, I might let you buy out early, lol.
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Was watching the Minn-UNLV game with a bud. Total for the game was 53.
Game goes OT with the score tied 13-13.
Told my bud, ‘I’ll let you place a bet on the total right now and you’ll lose’.
He says ‘Give me the UNDER’.
3 OT TD’s later, I ask him if he wants out of the bet.
He says ‘hell no’.
Comes down to 4th down. One more OT TD and he’s toast.
Offered him a final chance to call it off as the QB was scrambling for his life.
He says ‘no way’ just as the ball is caught for a 4th OT TD which puts it OVER.
God, I love gambling.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:55 am
As a play-caller, I actually like Hue a lot. But being a GM, HC, and primary play-caller clearly put Hue in over his head. Missed a lot of details.
I thought he could improve. Davis and McKenzie felt differently. Hard to argue with them. They need their philosophy to be consistent throughout the organization. If they felt Hue couldn’t give them that (and we all saw his coaching style – he was far from a disciplinarian), then they absolutely needed to find someone whose style was more in line with what the team needs.
Allen is straight-forward. No nonsense. That’s what a team needs when they’ve been doing the little things wrong for decades.
Knapp I’m far from sold on, but it still remains to be seen what he plans to do with the talent he has on offense.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
Hue is perfect for the college game, and I would expect him to land a HC gig at 3rd tier team in a year or two.
Like Leach as WSU or something along those lines.
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Please no Hue at Oregon State! We have enough problems.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am
I never said west coast didnt work.Why are you putting words in my mouth? Palmer is not Gannon,bey and moore are not rice and brown.Knapp is not gruden.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:57 am
I can’t respect the football knowledge of anyone who says the WCO or ZBS “sucks”. Just shows a complete lack of insight into the game.
Criticize Knapp? Sure. The execution of the schemes? Sure. But plenty of teams have won, and still win using both schemes.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
How much of HOU success on offense while Knapp was there was due to Andre Johnson’s dominance and their TE Daniels pro bowl level play? Raiders have neither. DMc is more talented than Foster tho.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
NFL average for points scored per team was 22 per game in 2011.
Avg NFL game in 2011 had 44 points scored.
September 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
#445 Reggie wasnt ganna let hue steal his show even if he had made the playoffs.Purely a power play.not the best interest in the team.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
JFB
Carson has some thing about SD. He always seems to light them up. I would be concerned if we do not have at least 27 points. I mean that would be a bad sign!
September 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am
Johnson and Daniels both missed a lot of time last season. Their running game, along with their ability to get the other TEs and H-back type players involved, kept their offense moving.
And of course, Knapp’s ability to coach up Yates.
It was definitely not all Knapp – it was mostly solid execution of an established scheme – but he contributed for sure.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am
God, I love gambling.
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I love good sports wagering stories. Poker….heard them all before.
I once had an under on a UNC-like NC State game, where I just needed less than 20 points in the last 50 seconds.
Well, I bet you know how that ends. Tons of 3’s and fouls, and I was toast.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am
YoungAmerican,
I disagree. Biggest downfall of the Raiders was a defense at the bottom of the NFL. I credit Hue, the play caller and offensive leader for getting us to 8-8 despite losing DMac, and switching QBs midstream, with getting us that close to the playoffs despite being saddled with a D that he had little control of entering the season and too little time to fix after Al passed on.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am
#448 show where I said west coast doesnt work snapperhead.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am
#445 intelligent post.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
#445 Reggie wasnt ganna let hue steal his show even if he had made the playoffs.Purely a power play.not the best interest in the team.
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If a head coach “stealing the show” was even a concern in the first place, then firing him definitely is in the best interest of the team.
Hard to build on the fundamentals with a head coach who is trying to make things a spectacle.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
#453 if you give knapp credit for not calling plays but coaching up a qb,than give hue credit for flacco.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
#445 Reggie wasnt ganna let hue steal his show even if he had made the playoffs.Purely a power play.not the best interest in the team.
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Firing Hue wasn’t Reggie’s idea. It was Mark Davis’. Mark offered Reggie the job, with the ONE condition being he fire Hue immediately. After that, Reggie could hire whoever he wanted and do whatever he wanted. But Hue had to go.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Adam Schein doesn’t seem to be a big Carson Palmer fan. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000056655/article/2012-nfl-predictions-jets-in-playoffs-cowboys-will-clean-house?module=HP11_content_stream .
September 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Chris in NY Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am
YoungAmerican,
I disagree. Biggest downfall of the Raiders was a defense at the bottom of the NFL. I credit Hue, the play caller and offensive leader for getting us to 8-8 despite losing DMac, and switching QBs midstream, with getting us that close to the playoffs despite being saddled with a D that he had little control of entering the season and too little time to fix after Al passed on.
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And a lot of the defense’s problems were discipline based. Same with the problems with the offense stalling in the red zone. You don’t break the NFL record in penalties by accident.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Oakfoshow
You did not say WCO or ZBS sucks but someone else did in the spray of remarks. Did not mean to infer you did in my comment back and could see how you took it that way. sorry.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
Knapp was NEVER OC in Houston. He was QB coach. Talking about the Houston offense as “his” is like saying Oakland’s offense belonged to Sanjay Lal the last few years.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
In reggies eyes,hue would have been stealing his show.Not that hue would have tried.Hue wanted to win and worked his ass off to win.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
I can’t respect the football knowledge of anyone who says the WCO or ZBS “sucks”.
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I say the ZBS sucks. Not bcz it can’t be effective though.
It sucks bcz of the cheap and dirty chop blocks that is encourages.
It sucks bcz it takes away from the man to man, power on power confrontations.
It sucks bcz it ain’t RAIDER ball.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
,than give hue credit for flacco.
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Flacco has got massively better since Hue left, although I don’t pine that on Hue more than Flacco just developing with experience.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Adam Schein is atrocious and knows nothing about football.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:08 am
Who’s saying the Houston offense was “his”??
But, we are trying to mold our offense after theirs, as Leinart told Papa that 85% of the playbook is the same.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:08 am
Hue was fired the first week of January, when the Miami, St. Louis, Indianapolis and Tampa Bay jobs were all wide open. Did he get hired for any of these positions? No. Did he even get interviewed? No. The rest of the NFL has seen what Hue Jackson does as head coach, and they are NOT impressed.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
#463 cool..I actually like west coast,but cant agree with installing it without the right personall.Plain stupid,especially when were coming off a top 10 offeneive season.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
#453 if you give knapp credit for not calling plays but coaching up a qb,than give hue credit for flacco.
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Really, OK I hearby give Hue credit for Flacco a 1st round pick that really has never lived up to his potential and only wins becuase his team has a killer run game and one of the best defenses in the NFL. The difference is Yates was a rookie UDFA that played well after 1st and 2nd string QB’s went down.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
I say the ZBS sucks. Not bcz it can’t be effective though.
It sucks bcz of the cheap and dirty chop blocks that is encourages.
It sucks bcz it takes away from the man to man, power on power confrontations.
It sucks bcz it ain’t RAIDER ball.
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LOL. Good god, you people have some ridiculous ideas of what “Raider” football is or should be.
The zone blocking scheme is pretty violent. The idea is getting your big men up the field so they can destroy linebackers at the second level. If that isn’t confrontational, I don’t know what is.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:10 am
Read Pat Kirwan’s book. The ZBS is simply the idea of a lineman blocking a gap, rather than a specific person. That’s it, and there’s nothing “wuss” about it.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
Anybody who takes knapps playcalling over hues is just plain idiotic.Dont care about the rest of blsht.Knapp is bum.proves it over and over again.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am
In Hue’s three seasons as an OC, he had exactly one good year, and that was with us.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am
Yeah, I don’t get this ZBS is for puzzies talk.
It is pretty much “down-set-hut” massive collision instantly, not matter what scheme you have for O-lineman.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
#471 oakfoshow see my post #441 – I do not think we are that far apart.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
Had 1 year as oc,1 year as hc.at least know what the fk your talking about .
September 1st, 2012 at 9:14 am
It’s like people make it out that the D-lineman are just letting us hit them, and we are opting to hit their legs instead of their bodies.
I would venture to guess, 90% of the blocking that goes on has nothing to do with diving at legs.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
Cork has flat-out stated that firing Hue was all Mark Davis’ call. Cork has the utmost confidence in that fact based on sources within the organization. Mark doing that could be for a lot of reasons, but since Mark almost always takes a hands-off approach on the football side of the business, they prob had little to do with Hue’s merits as a head football coach and more to do with something else such as wanting to put his own stamp on the team, wanting to eliminate those who had been in the org and may not take him as seriously as a new hire would, or maybe Hue personally irritated him for some reason.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
Oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
Had 1 year as oc,1 year as hc.at least know what the fk your talking about .
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hue_Jackson
He was the offensive coordinator for the Redskins in 2003 and the Falcons in 2007. You may apologize now.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:16 am
LOL. Good god, you people have some ridiculous ideas of what “Raider” football is or should be.
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I didn’t realize the GREAT Raider offensive lines were associated with the ZBS.
Who’s being ridiculous ?
September 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Chris In NY Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
Cork has flat-out stated that firing Hue was all Mark Davis’ call. Cork has the utmost confidence in that fact based on sources within the organization. Mark doing that could be for a lot of reasons, but since Mark almost always takes a hands-off approach on the football side of the business, they prob had little to do with Hue’s merits as a head football coach and more to do with something else such as wanting to put his own stamp on the team, wanting to eliminate those who had been in the org and may not take him as seriously as a new hire would, or maybe Hue personally irritated him for some reason.
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Cork said it was that season ending press conference followed by, several days later, Hue marching into Mark’s office and informing Mark that he, Hue Jackson, would sit in on the GM interviews and would have final say over the GM hire. Mark didn’t exactly appreciate that (this is a mild way of putting it).
September 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
I had concerns about giving up the draft picks and salary for Carson at the time of the deal because of his age…..however, if CP can resurrect those season in Cincy the deal will be worth it.
One of my frustrations with the Raiders (org and fanbase) is the low standard of play that is tolerated from highly paid players.
We should have the same expectations for Carson, DMAC and Huff as one would have for Ryan, McCoy and Reed
September 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Than i guess they were all lieing,because at the press con.both mark and reggie said it was reggies decision.I dont give a fk about cork.DUUU “I wanted my guy” duuuuuu. check bottom lip.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Than i guess they were all lieing,because at the press con.both mark and reggie said it was reggies decision.I dont give a fk about cork.DUUU “I wanted my guy” duuuuuu. check bottom lip.
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“Check bottom lip?” Oh, so you’re a racist as well.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Kudos for this post…
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RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
IMHO, if you go position by position and ask are we better this year compared to last? – you’re going to have some improvements and some downgrades.
Honestly though, that’s NOT the correct way to look at it.
The only real question is – is the SUM of our parts greater this year compared to last year ?
One thing we should all recognize is that assembling great individual talent goes a long way towards success – but ultimately the parts have to fit, players must know their roles, and the coaches have to get every ounce of effort and production out of them.
Sometimes a less talented squad can be more successful than a squad that appears loaded.
There’s an art to building a TEAM.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I didn’t realize the GREAT Raider offensive lines were associated with the ZBS.
Who’s being ridiculous ?
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Raider football is merely doing whatever it takes to win.
Writing off an entire philosophy because of some preconceived notion of what “Raider football” is definitely doesn’t qualify for “whatever it takes to win”.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:19 am
oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
Anybody who takes knapps playcalling over hues is just plain idiotic.Dont care about the rest of blsht.Knapp is bum.proves it over and over again.
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Here is where we disagree. I did not think Hue was some awesome playcaller. I also know that Knapp has been a successful offensive coordinator at times. I also know last time with Oakland he with Cable as OL coach took one of the worst offenses in the History of the NFL (the 2006 Oakland Raiders) and made it at least mediocore in 2007 and actually had a top teir rushing game even though he had Jbustus hanging around his neck. If we fail this year it will be because DFAD did not stay healthy and our recievers and TE’s did not step up not because Knapp is some goat or something. I just do not think people are objectively looking at his record.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I didn’t realize the GREAT Raider offensive lines were associated with the ZBS.
Who’s being ridiculous ?
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Raider football is merely doing whatever it takes to win.
Writing off an entire philosophy because of some preconceived notion of what “Raider football” is definitely doesn’t qualify for “whatever it takes to win”.
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We’ve spent the decade playing “Raider defense.” What good did it do?
September 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am
#482.I appoligise.thought you were taliking about his run with us.Wich was better than any playcaller sinse gruden.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
The FACTS are, The Reggie supposedly knew Hue personally because they had the same agent and were friends (at least that was reported).
The Reggie still did not waste any time canning him, and no other NFL team brought him in to anything more than what Randy Hanson was doing with the Raiders.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
We’ve spent the decade playing “Raider defense.” What good did it do?
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Exactly.
Teams have to adapt, otherwise they’ll be left in the dust. That’s what Al Davis had trouble understanding towards the end of his life.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
The FACTS are, The Reggie supposedly knew Hue personally because they had the same agent and were friends (at least that was reported).
The Reggie still did not waste any time canning him, and no other NFL team brought him in to anything more than what Randy Hanson was doing with the Raiders.
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Particularly Tampa Bay, who blew off Hue for Greg Schiano from Rutgers, of all people.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
The Baltimore Ravens run the ZBS, and they are the most physically intimidating team of the last decade+.
If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it is good enough for me.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
One thing felles.WE are 1 week away from answering some questions.Although I may disagree with some of you,and take some of your money.I am stiil an exited smbich! Go raiders.Im out.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:25 am
last season LBs at start of season
McClain, Wimbley, Groves, Davis, Blackstock
this season
McClain, Wheeler, Burris, Ihenacho, Goethel
much more solid and deeper
last years WRs:
Moore, DHB, Ford, Murphy, Schilens, Hagan
this years
Moore, DHB (10 times improved), Ford, Streater, Criner
better hands, better route runners,
much better WR corp
September 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
Cork has flat-out stated that firing Hue was all Mark Davis’ call. Cork has the utmost confidence in that fact based on sources within the organization.
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Corky’s probably right. (There’s a first time for everything)
Consider:
You’re Mark Davis. You know you can’t possibly replace Al. There’s absolutely no doubt you’re going to bring in a GM. And here’s Hue, going power crazy, thinking he’s going to call who the GM is going to be. Hue thought he was going to be Al Davis. Hue challenged the authority of his boss, when his boss was a green-horn that had to put his foot down and leave no uncertainty as to who the OWNER and BOSS was.
Hue sealed his own fate. And he knew it. Almost said as much in regretful interviews after he was canned.
You mess with the bull, you get the horns.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
Also, wanted to add, this talk of Hoyer or Johnson as QB acquisitions is silly. Neither are system fits firstly. In order to upgrade the roster, especially at this time of year (a week from game 1) you need players that can hit the ground running — they know the system, they’ve played before under a coach, etc.
Secondly, Josh Johnson has failed to impress the coaches at every team he’s been at. Hasn’t been able to pick up the nuances of the playbook/system. Plus, what’s the point in bringing him in say to replace Pryor, when he doesn’t know the system, has to start all over, and where Pryor in fact can be anything, his first stint at an NFL team and has shown marked improvement with his first training camp. Basically, Pryor is a far better ceiling than Johnson, if you count them both as dual-threat QBs. Pryor already looks poised to take over the #2 job sometime this year, you can just tell he’s really absorbing the playbook, improving his fundamentals etc.
As for Hoyer, completely different offensive system they run in New England, called the Erhardt-Perkins offense. You can read about it here…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots_strategy
September 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am
I may disagree with some of you,and take some of your money.
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I just need the Raiders to score more than the Vikings, Dolphins, Browns, Cardinals, Rams, Redskins, Chiefs, Bucs, Jaguars, Jets and one other team.
I feel pretty damn confident about this.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:28 am
question for those that may know:
George Atkitson IIIof Notre Dame with the big game today; is that the grandson, nephew of our Raider legend George Atkitson, any relation?
September 1st, 2012 at 9:28 am
#498 True and that post gives me hope. Now try RB and TE (unfortunately). However this excercise with QB’s CB’s and Safeties and OL all look better as well. DL is about the same. It all boils down to injuries with this team.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am
if willing to play position other than qb (WR, DB, RB) all for bringing in Josh Johnson, Seneca Wallace
September 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
Autumn wind especially our tackles, Vehldeer or Barnes go down would be more devestating than Mcfadden getting injured
September 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
Alright, some of you people are clueless on here. We are not talking about an overhaul of our roster, we are talking about upgrading a few back up positions to strengthen our DEPTH! For example if we could pick up Hightower I believe he would be an upgrade over Goodson. And there is a few other positions we could possibly upgrade our back up positions and strengthen our DEPTH! Man, learn football and stop making yourself look stupid.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
TEs
pretty simple
Last year
Boss, Meyrs, rookies Gordon & Ausberry
this year
Meyrs, Gordon & Ausberry (no longer rookies)
September 1st, 2012 at 9:33 am
Retribution
Good point! I guess I just don’t think of that because MFad is injured all the time and JV and KB seem to be heathy right now. I wish we had an upgrade for Barksdale!
September 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
A lot of good points made this morning… Looking forward to Monday night! Out.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
RB
last season
McFadden, Bush, Jones, Cartwright (special teams player)
this year
McFadden, Jones, Goodson
faster, not as strong between the tackles, no special teams ace
FB
last year
Reece
This year
Reece just as good, maybe better and Schmitt much better blocker at FB, Raiders haven’t had since Jon Ritchie.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Hightower isn’t an upgrade over Goodson tho, he hasn’t recovered well from his ACL injury. His knee flares up after some running, playing. Why he got cut.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
Autumn
I think this is Barksdale last season to prove himself, Nix just might be that guy; has the frame to add weight if needed, has the talent, raw, not sure if the Raiders are projecting him at guard or tackle;
OT will definately be a priority in next years draft.
Vehldeer & Barnes just might be the best bookends in the NFL.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
Hightower doesn’t play much special teams either, especially with a busted knee.
So he would HAVE TO be better carrying the ball over Goodson, just to break even as a roster spot.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
funny how everyone says rbs are not that important anymore;
until you don’t have one
aka Detroit, San Diego, Green Bay
September 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
I might be wrong, but I believe that’s George Atkinson’s son.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
West Brom 2, Everton 0
Go Baggies!
“Win, lose or tie…Baggie Nation til you die!”
September 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
The Baltimore Ravens run the ZBS, and they are the most physically intimidating team of the last decade+.
If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it is good enough for me.
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When you think of Raven intimidation, their offense doesn’t exaactly come to mind. It’s their defense that’s been intimidating.
But I get what you’re saying. And I agree their offense does play hard nosed ball. (Wish we’d have signed McLain, be nice to have one guy with that name that can beast)
Also understand that the ZBS can be very effective and it’s not puzzy ball.
Still say it ain’t RAIDER ball.
I agree that rule changes have made an over reliance on man to man, bump/press coverage impractical and Al was slow and reluctant to admit/realize this.
And although I admit the ZBS can be effective, I do not think that means that straight ahead power blocking can’t be.
To me, straight ahead, man to man, power blocking is RAIDER football.
Guess you had to live through the glory years to appreciate that the Raids once had their own distinctive style – and on offense, the power blocking OLine was a centerpiece of that identity.
I’d prefer to try to build in that direction again, instead of going ZBS.
But to each his own.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am
UCLA Raiders Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
Rob_raider Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 8:56 pm
I think Seymour may retire.
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He should retire but will hang on to collect $15M this year before signing with NE Patsies to retire as one. I sound like a broken record but we have AD to thank for Seymour’s contract situation to put us in this kinda bind. Another genius move which in terms of worst AD moves doesn’t even come close to his all time masterpiece of Walker’s contract but close.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
ZBS is a done deal. Why you guys wanna debate this? Biggest challenge this year is going to be the defense.
September 1st, 2012 at 9:59 am
JT Says:
August 31st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
91 crawford made the team? Really?
Showed NADA on preseason action.
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Crawford is really strong and athletic. He played with Wiz at Penn State and Wiz recommended him.
Hard to say how good a football player he is since he didn’t grow up with the sport in England.
If he played any rugby growing up then he certainly knows how to smack guys around.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Chris in NY Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
I might be wrong, but I believe that’s George Atkinson’s son.
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Is that true? I think my son told me that Atkinson’s son was playing. Does Jack Tatus have a son out there?
KK ought to know that since he claims to know Atkinson.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
I had concerns about giving up the draft picks and salary for Carson at the time of the deal because of his age…..however, if CP can resurrect those season in Cincy the deal will be worth it.
One of my frustrations with the Raiders (org and fanbase) is the low standard of play that is tolerated from highly paid players.
We should have the same expectations for Carson, DMAC and Huff as one would have for Ryan, McCoy and Reed
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Well, that was the achilles heal of Al’s regime. He let the inmates run the asylum.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
*Tatum. Sorry Jack.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:04 am
Seymour will be fine. I couldn’t care less if a vet like him takes most of preseason and preseason practices off to preserve his body for the reg season. Actually, it’s the smart move.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am
HUE top 10 offense.Knapp never made below 23.nuff said.
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Knapp has OC’d a top 3 scoring offense more recently than the Raiders have made the playoffs.
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That’s a lie!!!
He had a top 3 scoring offense in SF in 2001, and we played in the SB in 2002!
I’m starting to think you are from Mich too.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Knapp has OC’d a top 3 scoring offense more recently than the Raiders have made the playoffs.
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WTF do You keep posting this dumb crap which is also a lie?
I know you went to Chico but it’s simple math.
2001: knapp had a top 3 scoring offense
2002: Raiders played in a SB
It’s not rocket science! It’s simple math!!!
God help us!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
OSU just scored the first TD of the Urban era. Great catch by the WR.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
That’s a lie!!!
He had a top 3 scoring offense in SF in 2001, and we played in the SB in 2002!
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2003, top 5 offense.
He has also OC’d in 4 playoff games, and hung up 38+ points in 2 of the 4 games.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Also, WTF is the point if saying that dumb crap?
10 years ago I was 50 pounds lighter.
10 years ago we were a SB team.
Who the EFF cares?
The last 4 years as OC with 3 different teams his offense was ranked in the 20’s in scoring, and he was demoted to a QB coach the last 2 years of his career.
But hey, 11 years ago he had a top 3 scoring offense!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
That’s a lie!!!
He had a top 3 scoring offense in SF in 2001, and we played in the SB in 2002!
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2003, top 5 offense.
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Not in scoring which what you said!
His offense was ranked 9th in scoring in 2003!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
The point is, people feel hopeless with Knapp, and yet told us we would make the playoffs every preseason the last 10 years.
So even though Knapp has had the same level of success as an OC as Al did as an Owner/GM, everyone had blind faith with Al, and now have no faith in Knapp after 4 preseason games.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Also, WTF is the point if saying that dumb crap?
10 years ago I was 50 pounds lighter.
10 years ago we were a SB team.
Who the EFF cares?
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I feel the same way when everyone tells me about Al and “Raider football”.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
Knapp’s offense in scoring:
01: 3rd
02: 13th
03: 9th
04: 16th
05: 14th
06: 25th
07: 23rd
08: 29th
09: 25th
10: demoted
11: demoted
September 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
The point is, people feel hopeless with Knapp, and yet told us we would make the playoffs every preseason the last 10 years.
So even though Knapp has had the same level of success as an OC as Al did as an Owner/GM, everyone had blind faith with Al, and now have no faith in Knapp after 4 preseason games.
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Really? The guy had 2 good years out of a 9 year career, and you are comparing his success (lack of) to Al’s.
You are a finance major. 2/9 = same success rate as Al?
Stop it!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Knapp degraded into predictability. Why his offenses struggle. Armchair Coaches like us are onto him, think how much actual DCs are onto him then.
We saw the staple of his offense in the pre-season, which is 3/5’s of 3rd and long being a draw play, 1/5 a deep pass, and 1/5 a screen.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Scheme plays a role to be sure. The defensive scheme the last few years are atrocious and the preparation was bad.
However, these “elite” players have to make a doggone play too.
The Raiders have enough difference makers on both sides of the ball to make the playoffs regardless of ZBS, 3-4, whatever.
Play up to your pay
September 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Go Buckeyes!!!!!
Damn you Mich!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
Our offensive skill positions are full of dynamic players. They need dynamic play-calling to better utilize their ability to execute and perform. If you show your hand so much with scripted play-calling that Knapp seems to do, or just are afraid to be aggressive, the players end up looking like they can’t play well. Good play-calling is like being a magician, deception/sleight of hand is key. How many times have we been able to ‘tell’ what a play is going to be pre-snap?
September 1st, 2012 at 10:31 am
I think some guys are just tired of loseing and are willing to hang their hopes on a brand new season and overlook the obvious.Knapp sucks.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:33 am
So even though Knapp has had the same level of success as an OC as Al did as an Owner/GM…
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OK, now you’ve gone too far.
I know you’ve only experienced the mostly bad years – but to state that Knapp had the same level of success as the great Al Davis is pure insanity.
Knapp has had a mostly undistinguished career.
Al Davis is a football immortal.
Let’s be real.
This Knapp-mania has gone too far !
September 1st, 2012 at 10:35 am
Good quick example…
The Cowboys run a lot of draw plays, but a lot of the time they involve the QB making either a drop-back from under center, keying a receiver, then handing the delay. Or, nuances like a one-step drop, turning to the Z receiver, quick pump-fake like it’s a screen or quick-hit, then handing the delay off. Hue/Saunders used a few of these last season with good success, and not telegraphed on 3rd and long but on 1st or 2nd down.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am
young american, i 4surely disagree with u,how can u criticize hue jackson of his red zone perc.defencencies,while lets go take a knapp offense calls consecutive zbs run plays on 1st and goal 2nd and goal and even whttt?? haha 3rd and goal? ”c mon” sounds like camparing oranges and lemons 2me brah!!!lol
September 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am
J Hill Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Bush was a FA who chased the higher paycheck to BACKUP Forte.
He didn’t want to be here
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Good cause he couldn’t throw a block to save his life and I could not watch us at 1st and goal get stuffed 3 times in a row. although that happened with D Mc in the Detroit game. No comparision just sayin.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:37 am
i am concerned with Knapps history and the implementation of the ZBS. he will be under fire very quickly if the O doesnt produce. just dont think basing opinions on pre season is fair with respect to coaching. its one thing to watch dvd get torched by borderline nfl receivers and feel he should be cut. But coaches hold back strategic plays during preseason. i wanted saunders at OC but at this point i cannot throw knapp undr the bus. im hoping dmac stays healthy cause that will make everyone look good..
September 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Post 502. That’s his son. George has twin boys. Josh an George lll
I know them personally.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
I used to love grudens shovel pass on third down.Rember the one againt pittsburg on 3rd and 17 at 1 yard line?First down. That was fantastic stuff.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am
George used to date my ex wifes home girl. They used to go to all the games an he been to my house a cuple times. I knew his boys as well
September 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
hue jack , very good offensive coordinator from the 20 to 20. poor offensive coordinator in red zone. jano saved hue many times knocking down 45+yd fgs last year
September 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
When darren went down on week 3(as usual) bush came in and damn near had a thousand yard season.just sayin.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Week 6 I mean.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
Let’s just hope Knapp is saving the good stuff.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:33 am
So even though Knapp has had the same level of success as an OC as Al did as an Owner/GM…
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OK, now you’ve gone too far.
I know you’ve only experienced the mostly bad years – but to state that Knapp had the same level of success as the great Al Davis is pure insanity.
Knapp has had a mostly undistinguished career.
Al Davis is a football immortal.
Let’s be real.
This Knapp-mania has gone too far !
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Exactly!!
Comparing Al a HOFer to an avg (at best) OC is insanity!
An OC who had 2 good years, 3 avg years, and 4 bad years?!?!?
You People…..
September 1st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Go F*ckeyes!
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Raider O Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Go Buckeyes!!!!!
Damn you Mich!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:47 am
RaiderRock Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
Let’s just hope Knapp is saving the good stuff.
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agreed..but as long as dmac toughes the ball 20-25,we will be good offensively
September 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
One more thing before I go…
While pre-season Knapp isn’t going to open the playbook, the point of preseason still is for the starters/players to execute the plays, the bread and butter plays well. To win, and look good on offense, scoring and compiling long drives ‘at will’.
But the offense has looked clued in by the defense most of the time, except when Pryor went nuts in that Lions game. The defense has been able to neutralize all of the pre-designed roll-outs, bust up most of the screens, keep a handle on the receivers’ true-WCO short horizontal routes, busting up passes, clogging up the zones, etc.
All I’m saying is against the Chargers, DA/Knapp hopefully install a bunch of plays for the gameplan that are more intricate and Knapp hopefully calls a more unpredictable first half.
Obviously will give Knapp the fairness of seeing what he does in real games before disavowing him, but we have to come out of the blocks this season.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am
How bout them Baggies! What a start!
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ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
*Tatum. Sorry Jack.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Halving the penalty total from last year will lead to wins.
DMAC staying healthy for at least 12 games leads to wins
Carson playing up to his pay leads to wins.
Knapp will run plays that get receivers open and it will be Carson’s job to hit them.
Knapp will run plays with gaps open for DMAC to run through, his job is to make the 2nd level guy miss.
Seymour and Kelly need to keep linebackers clean, and Huff and Branch need to patrol the secondary. McClain, if he’s not suspended, needs to play like a top 10 pick.
Raiders shouldn’t miss the playoffs.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
I think Al said it best when fireing cable and knapp.”They are zoneblocking purest’s,and im not” turns out hue took over and had much better season offensively the following year.Now we will back to the previous year.FYI mcfadden never looked very good at zoneblocking anyway.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am
I see you passed over the wager scneario, lol.
———————————— Hey JFB how you feeling man. No more Gobstoppers and Fanta mishaps I presume?
Can not wait for MNF and the “New Era Of Excellence!!!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am
We all must accept that mclain will either be suspended or go to prison.probably both.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
The Raider D is strong at DLine and safety and weak at LB and at the corners – Shawntae Spencer is the new “toast” of Oakland.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
and we have our first signing —-RAIDERS SIGN GUARD wILLIE SMITH FROM REDSKINS..PRADO NEWS WHERE YA HEAR IT FIRST!
September 1st, 2012 at 10:55 am
8-8 and will be time for that kid to get his billboard back up.”Reggie do the right thing and get rid of knapp and hire a real oc.And please tuck in that bottom lip”
September 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Dave,
You are killing bro! K I L L I N G ME!!!!
You hate the Buckeyes and you love SL and his contract.
You are still one of my favorite posters.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:57 am
SharkCatcher Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
and we have our first signing —-RAIDERS SIGN GUARD wILLIE SMITH FROM REDSKINS..PRADO NEWS WHERE YA HEAR IT FIRST!
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Link?
September 1st, 2012 at 10:57 am
I’m convinced Knapp stinks.
But I’m resigned to the fact that we’re stuck with him for a while.
I’m just hoping that we have enough weapons and firepower on offense to overcome the Krapp factor.
Man, Atkinson’s kid can motor.
September 1st, 2012 at 10:58 am
r8dercain Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am
George used to date my ex wifes home girl. They used to go to all the games an he been to my house a cuple times. I knew his boys as well
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Didn’t the KoolKell say George Atkinson was banging his step mom too?
September 1st, 2012 at 11:00 am
GG Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
One more thing before I go…
While pre-season Knapp isn’t going to open the playbook, the point of preseason still is for the starters/players to execute the plays, the bread and butter plays well. To win, and look good on offense, scoring and compiling long drives ‘at will’.
But the offense has looked clued in by the defense most of the time, except when Pryor went nuts in that Lions game. The defense has been able to neutralize all of the pre-designed roll-outs, bust up most of the screens, keep a handle on the receivers’ true-WCO short horizontal routes, busting up passes, clogging up the zones, etc.
All I’m saying is against the Chargers, DA/Knapp hopefully install a bunch of plays for the gameplan that are more intricate and Knapp hopefully calls a more unpredictable first half.
Obviously will give Knapp the fairness of seeing what he does in real games before disavowing him, but we have to come out of the blocks this season.
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you have a right to be skeptical about Knapp, i too am concerned about his history. i just disagree about the importance of preseason games . i dont see any relationship historically that teams who won games and racked up points in preseason went on to win super bowls. its completely different from regular season. Im not a fan of the ZBS, but at this point my hope is the talent of mcfadden and the fact that Carson was a pro bowl QB at one time will generate positive results offensively. If it was my choice I would have hired saunders but i hoping Knapp does a good job with the talent he has been given.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am
The Dallas Cowboys will blame the quarterback. The Oakland Raiders will need a new quarterback. The New York Jets quarterback is a running back and will lead the team to the playoffs.
Now that I have your attention, here are nine bold predictions for the upcoming season:
1) Carson Palmer won’t finish the season as the Raiders’ quarterback.
When Palmer was in Cincinnati, I called him the “human Jugs machine” for his incredible accuracy. Now, the former sharp shooter is reduced to having a water gun for an arm. Palmer was terrible last season for the Raiders. He’s been awful this preseason. Frankly, he was wretched at the end in Cincy. This is Hue Jackson’s parting gift. Matt Leinart knows Greg Knapp’s offense, as they spent the last two years together in Houston. Terrelle Pryor gives Oakland sizzle. Those two will prove to be better options, and Oakland will bring in a new quarterback for 2013. Bag
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Pretty harsh words. Did palmer fvck this guys girlfriend or something? WTF
September 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am
Shark Catcher says:
and we have our first signing —-RAIDERS SIGN GUARD wILLIE SMITH FROM REDSKINS..PRADO NEWS WHERE YA HEAR IT FIRST!
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Link?
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Im sorry , I dont have a link. All I can tell ya is that ” my dads uncle son works for the Raiders” Willie Smith Tackle signed waiting on the name of whos gettin cut in place. ps iM NOT A REAL REPORTER.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
Raheem Cato vs geno smith good passers that can run. Geno put on a show in the first half 19/22 191 yards 3 tds
September 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
I know you’ve only experienced the mostly bad years – but to state that Knapp had the same level of success as the great Al Davis is pure insanity.
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Over the past 10 years was what I was discussing/comparing.
Not at all over their careers obviously.
Come on, you got to know I am smarter than that!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
TD!!!!
Go Buckeyes!!!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am
Hey JFB how you feeling man. No more Gobstoppers and Fanta mishaps I presume?
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All is well sir.
Well except when I go to the auto body shop at 3pm, lol.
Quite a few dings to figure out.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
#Raiders reportedly signed OT Willie Smith, who was waived by the Redskins.
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I think Cork just stole your story Shark Catcher!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:09 am
Only question is whether we signed him to the roster or the PS. If it’s to the roster, then I assume he’ll replace Nix.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Too funny jfb tried to tell me geno isn’t athletic & was a strictly pocket passer.
LMFAO!!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Come on, you got to know I am smarter than that!!!
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I’m starting to have doubts especially after what you said today.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:11 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
#Raiders reportedly signed OT Willie Smith, who was waived by the Redskins.
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Media game is Dirty. You’ll never doubt me again?
September 1st, 2012 at 11:11 am
Hmm better get my annual college qb watch list out soon
September 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am
SharkCatcher Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am
Shark Catcher says:
and we have our first signing —-RAIDERS SIGN GUARD wILLIE SMITH FROM REDSKINS..PRADO NEWS WHERE YA HEAR IT FIRST!
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Link?
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Im sorry , I dont have a link. All I can tell ya is that ” my dads uncle son works for the Raiders” Willie Smith Tackle signed waiting on the name of whos gettin cut in place. ps iM NOT A REAL REPORTER.
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My boy was right!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
I checked in Wikipedia, and it looks like he was only in a few games last year, so he’d be PS-eligible.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
#Raiders reportedly signed OT Willie Smith, who was waived by the Redskins.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
TD!!!!!
Go Buckeyes!!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
Willie Smith WOW,just cant control my exitement right now! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa
September 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
intrepid.. Go look at time 10:54
September 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Who’s the idiot that said this?///////////Now that I have your attention, here are nine bold predictions for the upcoming season:
1) Carson Palmer won’t finish the season as the Raiders’ quarterback.
When Palmer was in Cincinnati, I called him the “human Jugs machine” for his incredible accuracy. Now, the former sharp shooter is reduced to having a water gun for an arm. Palmer was terrible last season for the Raiders. He’s been awful this preseason. Frankly, he was wretched at the end in Cincy. This is Hue Jackson’s parting gift. Matt Leinart knows Greg Knapp’s offense, as they spent the last two years together in Houston. Terrelle Pryor gives Oakland sizzle. Those two will prove to be better options, and Oakland will bring in a new quarterback for 2013. Bag
September 1st, 2012 at 11:18 am
Oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
Willie Smith WOW,just cant control my exitement right now! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Apparently, we’re now forbidden from signing anyone not named Calvin Johnson, Mario Williams or Aaron Rodgers…
September 1st, 2012 at 11:18 am
marcus Dixcon cut by Jets..thought he was good.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am
SharkCatcher Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
intrepid.. Go look at time 10:54
///////Just woke up. Haven’t caught up yet. I’ll shut up until I have.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am
raiderdick.hush now boy.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:20 am
From Bill Williamson:
In other AFC West notes:
It’s interesting that Oakland has kept punter Marquette King. He was put on injured reserve with a toe injury. If star punter Shane Lechler leaves after the season as a free agent, perhaps King can be groomed. King is not NFL ready, but he has a live leg and he has potential.
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Klas has been saying this for long time.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
Intrepid Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Who’s the idiot that said this?///////////Now that I have your attention, here are nine bold predictions for the upcoming season:
1) Carson Palmer won’t finish the season as the Raiders’ quarterback.
When Palmer was in Cincinnati, I called him the “human Jugs machine” for his incredible accuracy. Now, the former sharp shooter is reduced to having a water gun for an arm. Palmer was terrible last season for the Raiders. He’s been awful this preseason. Frankly, he was wretched at the end in Cincy. This is Hue Jackson’s parting gift. Matt Leinart knows Greg Knapp’s offense, as they spent the last two years together in Houston. Terrelle Pryor gives Oakland sizzle. Those two will prove to be better options, and Oakland will bring in a new quarterback for 2013. Bag
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Not sure who wrote that but this is the direction that we seem to be headed in.
It’s all on Palmer at this point, make or break. No excuses will be tolerated by the new regime during his one year try out
September 1st, 2012 at 11:23 am
Grew up in SoCal O – SC all the way – Besides Al was an SC guy. Still luv ya Bro!
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Raider O Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Dave,
You are killing bro! K I L L I N G ME!!!!
You hate the Buckeyes and you love SL and his contract.
You are still one of my favorite posters.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am
Adam Shien or however you spell it
September 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am
A tightend please.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Why buy something you ain’t gonna use?
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Oakfoshow Says:
September 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am
A tightend please.
September 1st, 2012 at 11:27 am
SIGN ROCK!
September 1st, 2012 at 11:50 am
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Crawford is really strong and athletic. He played with Wiz at Penn State and Wiz recommended him.
Hard to say how good a football player he is since he didn’t grow up with the sport in England.
If he played any rugby growing up then he certainly knows how to smack guys around.
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I read somewhere that he was in Detroit from the 9th grade on.