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Four recently UDAs make roster; Curry left on PUP

By Steve Corkran
Friday, August 31st, 2012 at 9:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders pared 22 players from their roster Friday night in the final mandatory cutdown. One gets the sense that general manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are far from finished shaping the roster in advance of the regular-season opener.
As expected, the Raiders kept veteran outside linebacker Aaron Curry on the physically unable to perform list as a result of his sore knees. Beyond that, there wasn’t any real surprise among the moves.
Perhaps more surprising, the Raiders kept cornerback Coye Francies, who was signed Wednesday, and ended up with four recently undrafted free agents making the team – wide receiver Rod Streater, guard Lucas Nix, defensive tackle Jamie Cumbie (2011) and linebacker Carl Ihenacho (2010).
Curry is ineligible to practice or play in any regular-season games for the first six weeks of the season. He can be activated during a 21-day window beyond the first six weeks.
Curry has not practiced for more than two months. Allen was hopeful that Curry’s knees would respond to treatments from a specialist in Southern California. To no avail.
As a result, rookie Miles Burris is slated to being the season in Curry’s place as the starting weak-side linebacker.
The Raiders are off Saturday and Sunday. McKenzie and Allen no doubt will be spending an inordinate amount of time scouring the waiver wire.
“Whatever moves we feel like give us a chance to be better, we’re going to make those moves,” Allen said in a conference call about 90 minutes before the Raiders submitted their moves. “We’re evaluating any and all positions to see if there’s someone out there that can help us.”
Based on the way the Raiders reserves played Thursday night in the team’s exhibition finale, it’s likely the Raiders can find a few upgrades from the more than 1,000 players purged from rosters leaguewide this week.
Few of Oakland’s projected starters played beyond the opening offensive and defensive series. Hence, the projected backups and roster hopefuls got plenty of playing time.
Allen wasn’t thrilled by much of what he saw, he said.
“That’s been a concern, the depth on our roster,” Allen said. “It just reconfirmed that we have to upgrade the bottom half of the roster because depth is a concern.”
Linebacker Nathan Stupar is the only member of Oakland’s 2012 draft class that didn’t make the 53-man roster despite shining against the Seahawks on Thursday night, Allen said.
“It’s been a little bit of an up-and-down deal with Nate,” Allen said before cuts were announced, “but he came out (Thursday) and played and acted like he wanted to try to get a spot on this roster.”
Apparently, it was a case of too little, too late for Stupar. Now, he has to hope he clears waivers and the Raiders decide to sign him to their practice squad.
Teams are permitted to sign as many as eight players to their practice squad once the waiver period has ended Saturday.
In other news, Allen said the handful of players who have been injured for more than a week worked out Friday. Therefore, he is hopeful that some or all of them will be healthy enough to play in the regular-season opener Sept. 10.
That list includes wide receivers Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore, center Stefen Wisniewski and defensive tackle Richard Seymour.

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  • oakfoshow

    #445 Reggie wasnt ganna let hue steal his show even if he had made the playoffs.Purely a power play.not the best interest in the team.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    JFB

    Carson has some thing about SD. He always seems to light them up. I would be concerned if we do not have at least 27 points. I mean that would be a bad sign!

  • YoungAmerican

    Johnson and Daniels both missed a lot of time last season. Their running game, along with their ability to get the other TEs and H-back type players involved, kept their offense moving.

    And of course, Knapp’s ability to coach up Yates.

    It was definitely not all Knapp – it was mostly solid execution of an established scheme – but he contributed for sure.

  • Just Fire Baby

    God, I love gambling.

    ************************

    I love good sports wagering stories. Poker….heard them all before.

    I once had an under on a UNC-like NC State game, where I just needed less than 20 points in the last 50 seconds.

    Well, I bet you know how that ends. Tons of 3′s and fouls, and I was toast.

  • Chris in NY

    YoungAmerican,
    I disagree. Biggest downfall of the Raiders was a defense at the bottom of the NFL. I credit Hue, the play caller and offensive leader for getting us to 8-8 despite losing DMac, and switching QBs midstream, with getting us that close to the playoffs despite being saddled with a D that he had little control of entering the season and too little time to fix after Al passed on.

  • oakfoshow

    #448 show where I said west coast doesnt work snapperhead.

  • oakfoshow

    #445 intelligent post.

  • YoungAmerican

    oakfoshow Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am

    #445 Reggie wasnt ganna let hue steal his show even if he had made the playoffs.Purely a power play.not the best interest in the team.

    ==========================

    If a head coach “stealing the show” was even a concern in the first place, then firing him definitely is in the best interest of the team.

    Hard to build on the fundamentals with a head coach who is trying to make things a spectacle.

  • oakfoshow

    #453 if you give knapp credit for not calling plays but coaching up a qb,than give hue credit for flacco.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Oakfoshow Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
    #445 Reggie wasnt ganna let hue steal his show even if he had made the playoffs.Purely a power play.not the best interest in the team.

    ==========================================

    Firing Hue wasn’t Reggie’s idea. It was Mark Davis’. Mark offered Reggie the job, with the ONE condition being he fire Hue immediately. After that, Reggie could hire whoever he wanted and do whatever he wanted. But Hue had to go.

  • Just Win Baby
  • YoungAmerican

    Chris in NY Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am

    YoungAmerican,
    I disagree. Biggest downfall of the Raiders was a defense at the bottom of the NFL. I credit Hue, the play caller and offensive leader for getting us to 8-8 despite losing DMac, and switching QBs midstream, with getting us that close to the playoffs despite being saddled with a D that he had little control of entering the season and too little time to fix after Al passed on.

    ===================

    And a lot of the defense’s problems were discipline based. Same with the problems with the offense stalling in the red zone. You don’t break the NFL record in penalties by accident.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Oakfoshow

    You did not say WCO or ZBS sucks but someone else did in the spray of remarks. Did not mean to infer you did in my comment back and could see how you took it that way. sorry.

  • Chris in NY

    Knapp was NEVER OC in Houston. He was QB coach. Talking about the Houston offense as “his” is like saying Oakland’s offense belonged to Sanjay Lal the last few years.

  • oakfoshow

    In reggies eyes,hue would have been stealing his show.Not that hue would have tried.Hue wanted to win and worked his ass off to win.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    I can’t respect the football knowledge of anyone who says the WCO or ZBS “sucks”.
    ============================================
    I say the ZBS sucks. Not bcz it can’t be effective though.

    It sucks bcz of the cheap and dirty chop blocks that is encourages.

    It sucks bcz it takes away from the man to man, power on power confrontations.

    It sucks bcz it ain’t RAIDER ball.

  • Just Fire Baby

    ,than give hue credit for flacco.

    ****************************

    Flacco has got massively better since Hue left, although I don’t pine that on Hue more than Flacco just developing with experience.

  • Chris in NY

    Adam Schein is atrocious and knows nothing about football.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Who’s saying the Houston offense was “his”??

    But, we are trying to mold our offense after theirs, as Leinart told Papa that 85% of the playbook is the same.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Hue was fired the first week of January, when the Miami, St. Louis, Indianapolis and Tampa Bay jobs were all wide open. Did he get hired for any of these positions? No. Did he even get interviewed? No. The rest of the NFL has seen what Hue Jackson does as head coach, and they are NOT impressed.

  • oakfoshow

    #463 cool..I actually like west coast,but cant agree with installing it without the right personall.Plain stupid,especially when were coming off a top 10 offeneive season.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    oakfoshow Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
    #453 if you give knapp credit for not calling plays but coaching up a qb,than give hue credit for flacco.

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    Really, OK I hearby give Hue credit for Flacco a 1st round pick that really has never lived up to his potential and only wins becuase his team has a killer run game and one of the best defenses in the NFL. The difference is Yates was a rookie UDFA that played well after 1st and 2nd string QB’s went down.

  • YoungAmerican

    I say the ZBS sucks. Not bcz it can’t be effective though.

    It sucks bcz of the cheap and dirty chop blocks that is encourages.

    It sucks bcz it takes away from the man to man, power on power confrontations.

    It sucks bcz it ain’t RAIDER ball.

    ===================

    LOL. Good god, you people have some ridiculous ideas of what “Raider” football is or should be.

    The zone blocking scheme is pretty violent. The idea is getting your big men up the field so they can destroy linebackers at the second level. If that isn’t confrontational, I don’t know what is.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Read Pat Kirwan’s book. The ZBS is simply the idea of a lineman blocking a gap, rather than a specific person. That’s it, and there’s nothing “wuss” about it.

  • oakfoshow

    Anybody who takes knapps playcalling over hues is just plain idiotic.Dont care about the rest of blsht.Knapp is bum.proves it over and over again.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    In Hue’s three seasons as an OC, he had exactly one good year, and that was with us.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Yeah, I don’t get this ZBS is for puzzies talk.

    It is pretty much “down-set-hut” massive collision instantly, not matter what scheme you have for O-lineman.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    #471 oakfoshow see my post #441 – I do not think we are that far apart.

  • oakfoshow

    Had 1 year as oc,1 year as hc.at least know what the fk your talking about .

  • Just Fire Baby

    It’s like people make it out that the D-lineman are just letting us hit them, and we are opting to hit their legs instead of their bodies.

    I would venture to guess, 90% of the blocking that goes on has nothing to do with diving at legs.

  • Chris in NY

    Cork has flat-out stated that firing Hue was all Mark Davis’ call. Cork has the utmost confidence in that fact based on sources within the organization. Mark doing that could be for a lot of reasons, but since Mark almost always takes a hands-off approach on the football side of the business, they prob had little to do with Hue’s merits as a head football coach and more to do with something else such as wanting to put his own stamp on the team, wanting to eliminate those who had been in the org and may not take him as seriously as a new hire would, or maybe Hue personally irritated him for some reason.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Oakfoshow Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Had 1 year as oc,1 year as hc.at least know what the fk your talking about .

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hue_Jackson

    He was the offensive coordinator for the Redskins in 2003 and the Falcons in 2007. You may apologize now.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    LOL. Good god, you people have some ridiculous ideas of what “Raider” football is or should be.
    ==================================================
    I didn’t realize the GREAT Raider offensive lines were associated with the ZBS.

    Who’s being ridiculous ?

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Chris In NY Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
    Cork has flat-out stated that firing Hue was all Mark Davis’ call. Cork has the utmost confidence in that fact based on sources within the organization. Mark doing that could be for a lot of reasons, but since Mark almost always takes a hands-off approach on the football side of the business, they prob had little to do with Hue’s merits as a head football coach and more to do with something else such as wanting to put his own stamp on the team, wanting to eliminate those who had been in the org and may not take him as seriously as a new hire would, or maybe Hue personally irritated him for some reason.

    ==============================================

    Cork said it was that season ending press conference followed by, several days later, Hue marching into Mark’s office and informing Mark that he, Hue Jackson, would sit in on the GM interviews and would have final say over the GM hire. Mark didn’t exactly appreciate that (this is a mild way of putting it).

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    I had concerns about giving up the draft picks and salary for Carson at the time of the deal because of his age…..however, if CP can resurrect those season in Cincy the deal will be worth it.

    One of my frustrations with the Raiders (org and fanbase) is the low standard of play that is tolerated from highly paid players.

    We should have the same expectations for Carson, DMAC and Huff as one would have for Ryan, McCoy and Reed

  • oakfoshow

    Than i guess they were all lieing,because at the press con.both mark and reggie said it was reggies decision.I dont give a fk about cork.DUUU “I wanted my guy” duuuuuu. check bottom lip.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Oakfoshow Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
    Than i guess they were all lieing,because at the press con.both mark and reggie said it was reggies decision.I dont give a fk about cork.DUUU “I wanted my guy” duuuuuu. check bottom lip.

    ==============================================

    “Check bottom lip?” Oh, so you’re a racist as well.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Kudos for this post…

    —-

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am

    IMHO, if you go position by position and ask are we better this year compared to last? – you’re going to have some improvements and some downgrades.

    Honestly though, that’s NOT the correct way to look at it.

    The only real question is – is the SUM of our parts greater this year compared to last year ?

    One thing we should all recognize is that assembling great individual talent goes a long way towards success – but ultimately the parts have to fit, players must know their roles, and the coaches have to get every ounce of effort and production out of them.

    Sometimes a less talented squad can be more successful than a squad that appears loaded.

    There’s an art to building a TEAM.

  • YoungAmerican

    I didn’t realize the GREAT Raider offensive lines were associated with the ZBS.

    Who’s being ridiculous ?

    ===============

    Raider football is merely doing whatever it takes to win.

    Writing off an entire philosophy because of some preconceived notion of what “Raider football” is definitely doesn’t qualify for “whatever it takes to win”.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    oakfoshow Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Anybody who takes knapps playcalling over hues is just plain idiotic.Dont care about the rest of blsht.Knapp is bum.proves it over and over again.

    ******************
    Here is where we disagree. I did not think Hue was some awesome playcaller. I also know that Knapp has been a successful offensive coordinator at times. I also know last time with Oakland he with Cable as OL coach took one of the worst offenses in the History of the NFL (the 2006 Oakland Raiders) and made it at least mediocore in 2007 and actually had a top teir rushing game even though he had Jbustus hanging around his neck. If we fail this year it will be because DFAD did not stay healthy and our recievers and TE’s did not step up not because Knapp is some goat or something. I just do not think people are objectively looking at his record.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    YoungAmerican Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
    I didn’t realize the GREAT Raider offensive lines were associated with the ZBS.

    Who’s being ridiculous ?

    ===============

    Raider football is merely doing whatever it takes to win.

    Writing off an entire philosophy because of some preconceived notion of what “Raider football” is definitely doesn’t qualify for “whatever it takes to win”.

    ============================================

    We’ve spent the decade playing “Raider defense.” What good did it do?

  • oakfoshow

    #482.I appoligise.thought you were taliking about his run with us.Wich was better than any playcaller sinse gruden.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The FACTS are, The Reggie supposedly knew Hue personally because they had the same agent and were friends (at least that was reported).

    The Reggie still did not waste any time canning him, and no other NFL team brought him in to anything more than what Randy Hanson was doing with the Raiders.

  • YoungAmerican

    We’ve spent the decade playing “Raider defense.” What good did it do?

    ===============

    Exactly.

    Teams have to adapt, otherwise they’ll be left in the dust. That’s what Al Davis had trouble understanding towards the end of his life.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
    The FACTS are, The Reggie supposedly knew Hue personally because they had the same agent and were friends (at least that was reported).

    The Reggie still did not waste any time canning him, and no other NFL team brought him in to anything more than what Randy Hanson was doing with the Raiders.

    ========================================

    Particularly Tampa Bay, who blew off Hue for Greg Schiano from Rutgers, of all people.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The Baltimore Ravens run the ZBS, and they are the most physically intimidating team of the last decade+.

    If it’s good enough for Ray Lewis, it is good enough for me.

  • oakfoshow

    One thing felles.WE are 1 week away from answering some questions.Although I may disagree with some of you,and take some of your money.I am stiil an exited smbich! Go raiders.Im out.

  • RaiderRetribution

    last season LBs at start of season

    McClain, Wimbley, Groves, Davis, Blackstock

    this season

    McClain, Wheeler, Burris, Ihenacho, Goethel

    much more solid and deeper

    last years WRs:

    Moore, DHB, Ford, Murphy, Schilens, Hagan

    this years

    Moore, DHB (10 times improved), Ford, Streater, Criner

    better hands, better route runners,

    much better WR corp

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Cork has flat-out stated that firing Hue was all Mark Davis’ call. Cork has the utmost confidence in that fact based on sources within the organization.
    ===================================================
    Corky’s probably right. (There’s a first time for everything)

    Consider:
    You’re Mark Davis. You know you can’t possibly replace Al. There’s absolutely no doubt you’re going to bring in a GM. And here’s Hue, going power crazy, thinking he’s going to call who the GM is going to be. Hue thought he was going to be Al Davis. Hue challenged the authority of his boss, when his boss was a green-horn that had to put his foot down and leave no uncertainty as to who the OWNER and BOSS was.

    Hue sealed his own fate. And he knew it. Almost said as much in regretful interviews after he was canned.

    You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Also, wanted to add, this talk of Hoyer or Johnson as QB acquisitions is silly. Neither are system fits firstly. In order to upgrade the roster, especially at this time of year (a week from game 1) you need players that can hit the ground running — they know the system, they’ve played before under a coach, etc.

    Secondly, Josh Johnson has failed to impress the coaches at every team he’s been at. Hasn’t been able to pick up the nuances of the playbook/system. Plus, what’s the point in bringing him in say to replace Pryor, when he doesn’t know the system, has to start all over, and where Pryor in fact can be anything, his first stint at an NFL team and has shown marked improvement with his first training camp. Basically, Pryor is a far better ceiling than Johnson, if you count them both as dual-threat QBs. Pryor already looks poised to take over the #2 job sometime this year, you can just tell he’s really absorbing the playbook, improving his fundamentals etc.

    As for Hoyer, completely different offensive system they run in New England, called the Erhardt-Perkins offense. You can read about it here…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots_strategy