Bartell set to miss significant time, too
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, September 11th, 2012 at 6:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said earlier today that wide recevier Jacoby Ford is going to miss “significant” time in light of Ford having surgery performed on his left foot.
Now comes word from ESPN’s Bill Williamson that Raiders starting cornerback Ron Bartell suffered a broken left shoulder blade Monday night and might be sidelined as long as six weeks.
On the bright side, if there is one here, Bartell doesn’t need surgery, and he might be out as little as four weeks.
All Allen said about Bartell during a news conference today is that Bartell was having an MRI today.
Pat Lee likely will move into the starting lineup during Bartell’s absence, as he did Monday night against the San Diego Chargers.
Last season, Bartell suffered a neck injury in the season-opening game as a member of the St. Louis Rams. He missed the remainder of the season while recovering.
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
biatch!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
1st
September 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
hoe
September 11th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
#3
September 11th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
got 5 on it for DMAC
September 11th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
raiders got mo excuses !
September 11th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
The news just keeps getting better
September 11th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Hitler reacts to the firing of Hue Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTV7O7TVNh0
Some funny schit right here
September 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Where was the guy harping on me that Joselio Hanson would be the starter and is ahead of Lee on the depth chart?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Ya’ll stay positive, PMA ya heard
September 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Bartell wasn’t very good to begin with, I am not sure Pat Lee isn’t better anyways.
Not sure why so many people had such blind faith in Bartell. He was an at-times starter for a last placed team.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Where was the guy harping on me that Joselio Hanson would be the starter and is ahead of Lee on the depth chart?
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Probably watching 49er focus.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Hanson is a strictly a nickle slot cb
September 11th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
We need to pick up tempo on the O, it was really bad, 2 min warning before halftime …they were slow to get out of the huddle and they didn’t like up on time even in no huddle , same thing in 2nd half , down by two scores, they took so much time off the clock they were the one’s who were winning the game …. Coaches need to make sure we get out of the huddle fast and do some no huddles, and we need to play fast tempo against Miami all game long
September 11th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Do I believe that Greg Knapp will be fired after one week???? NO!!!
However, the roles between him and Al Saunders should be reversed! Saunders should be the primary play caller and Knapp should be HIS advisor, not the other way around!
The Raiders are currently constructed using the Al Davis philosophy of Vertical passing, and Power blocking. They do not have the personnel to effectively run what Knapp is trying to do!
Let Saunders assume the play calling this season, while Knapp’s strategy is slowly implemented over the course of the next two seasons as Reggie Mack continues to acquire players who will fit Knapp’s system!
That is logical and sensible. Let’s see how many bloggers try and argue with me on this!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
The news just gets better and better.
Time to cut Ford. We don’t need that Schilens redux.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Bartell wasn’t very good to begin with, I am not sure Pat Lee isn’t better anyways.
Not sure why so many people had such blind faith in Bartell. He was an at-times starter for a last placed team.
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Ummm, why don’t you ask Reggie that question?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
So…Ford’s vag1na hasn’t healed yet? No surprise there. Time to move on without him.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
realtruraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Ya’ll stay positive, PMA ya heard
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Yes. W. Clement Stone had the right idea. Things going good over at Combined?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
So who’s our long snapper? Could be a long day against Miami.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I say good riddance to Bartell, time to roll with who we got and maybe add Chim Chek to the 53
September 11th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
So who’s our long snapper? Could be a long day against Miami.
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Since nobody’s been signed, I’m assuming it’ll be Condo OR Goethel with a full week’s practice.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Reggie had blind faith in Bartell?
Not saying the guy didn’t win the starters job, but being better than Routt, DVD and Bryan McCann isn’t anything to right home about.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I’m not even gonna count on Ford making it back this year….. Especially concidering it’s the same injury from last season..the Raiders need some help at Wr……
September 11th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Do I believe that Greg Knapp will be fired after one week???? NO!!!
However, the roles between him and Al Saunders should be reversed! Saunders should be the primary play caller and Knapp should be HIS advisor, not the other way around!
The Raiders are currently constructed using the Al Davis philosophy of Vertical passing, and Power blocking. They do not have the personnel to effectively run what Knapp is trying to do!
Let Saunders assume the play calling this season, while Knapp’s strategy is slowly implemented over the course of the next two seasons as Reggie Mack continues to acquire players who will fit Knapp’s system!
That is logical and sensible. Let’s see how many bloggers try and argue with me on this!
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“while Knapp’s strategy is slowly implemented over the course of the next two seasons as Reggie Mack continues to acquire players who will fit Knapp’s system!”
HELL NO!
Knapp and his predictable vanilla system should be retired. It’s 2012. Run heavy offenses do not win Super Bowls. Actually it’s not just the system. It’s the fact that Knapp is a CRAP play caller.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Blind faith in Bartell? With a one-year contract? No, this was more “see if you’re any good or not.”
The early results from last night were not favorable for #21.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
They gotta be looking for a long snapper … I can’t see Goethel getting it down between now and Sunday…
September 11th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We should have scored atleast 3 more TD’s last night , Before half time , Streater dropped the ball inside 10… on opening drive , we’re rolling and streater fumbles the ball, inside their 30… Palmer had to put the ball up a lil more against that def in the end zone , which would have resulted in TD…
September 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Reggie had blind faith in Bartell?
Not saying the guy didn
September 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Fingers Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
They gotta be looking for a long snapper … I can’t see Goethel getting it down between now and Sunday…
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How many decent unsigned snappers are out there, ready to go?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Part of the blame for abusing Mcfadden has to go to Carson as well, statistically he had a 90+ passer rating but half of the 13 receptions if not more were check downs from feeling the pressure…He got pissed at DHB and gave up on him, probably didnt even look his way all 2nd half except for a few times
September 11th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
Since nobody’s been signed, I’m assuming it’ll be Condo OR Goethel with a full week’s practice.
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Can a full week of practice even fix that? I mean I can’t believe someone could even be that bad. I have to think even I could snap it better than that. My problem would be trying to stop 275 pound guys from running over me a split second later. lol
September 11th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Reggie had blind faith in Bartell?
Not saying the guy didn’t win the starters job, but being better than Routt, DVD and Bryan McCann isn’t anything to right home about.
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I’d take Routt over Bartell 10 times out of 10.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yeah, I just think the system is Flawed. Takes too many damned plays and too much time to score. Plus seems like there’s Red Zone problems with it. If you have to settle for field goals with that, you’re fkd. A penalty, and you’re fkd.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Raiderduck… None that I’m aware of… But I sure hope theyre looking for one ..
September 11th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Long snapper was the last thing I thought would be a problem… I guess it shows ya never know …
September 11th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I don’t think there is really too much wrong with KNapp’s offense … i think its just that he runs too much slow tempo O , which gives D’s a lot of rest in between plays and for D Coordinators to adjust, successful O’s in this league play uptempo O’s and they get in and out of huddle quickly with a lot of time left on the play clock, to adjust the plays at LOS
September 11th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I’d take Routt over Bartell 10 times out of 10.
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Neither are any good, IMO.
Routt gave up the most TD’s and had the most penalties of any DB last year.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I have been against signing TO/Ocho and Plax I am iffy about but now…. Time for Plax
September 11th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I don’t think the Raiders have the luxury of a 3yr. “rebuild”.
Their financial situation will not be helped by another dreadful season with less fans in the seats and more lost revenue.
I think if a move is gonna be made on Knapp you can’t wait till you’re 1-5 or 0-6. Season is already lost and while the Raiders could still survive, it doesn’t bode well for the organization.
Carolina made it to the SB in their 3rd season of existence…you’re telling me a so called “talented gm” cannot take a young 8-8 team and start winning right away?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yeah, I just think the system is Flawed. Takes too many damned plays and too much time to score.
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I don’t know, didn’t the Raiders go 90 yards in 2:30 to end the lst half? They were at the half yard line and probably would have scored six if there was 3 minutes to go in the half.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
23-13 Dolphins…
can’t see us beating them in Miami after they played a similar offense the week before!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
If we play more fast tempo game and call for screens and some deep strikes against Miami, we will win the game but if we look slow out of huddle with no sense of urgency , then expect the same results, players looking disinterested etc… etc..
September 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
…i’m sorry, Carolina made it to NFC Championship in 3rd yr. not SB.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Best guess: Goethel’s getting a TON of snapping practice today while they’re running their tests on Condo’s noggin.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said long-snapper Jon Condo suffered a concussion and that Condo won’t play against the Miami Dolphins unless he gets cleared by doctors.
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You know who you are. You were one of the naysayers about the Raiders kicking trio of Condo, Lechler & Jano. You cried for years about paying these dudes what they’re worth.
Now you know just what a steal Condo’s been for all these years.
Deez nutz beyotches!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
In hindsight We shoulda went for that TD to end the half.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I have a feeling Carson will recommend getting either Chad or TO, Chad wasnt looking bad on hard knocks actually
September 11th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yeah, I just think the system is Flawed. Takes too many damned plays and too much time to score.
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I don’t know, didn’t the Raiders go 90 yards in 2:30 to end the lst half? They were at the half yard line and probably would have scored six if there was 3 minutes to go in the half
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I just believe that we wasted a little bit of time on that drive, we had like 3 TO’s remaining , we were kinda slow out of huddle and didn’t get lined up really fast in no huddle plays.. gotta work on those
September 11th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Raiders will beat the Phins and most the people over-reacting will jump back onboard.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Dmac2008 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
In hindsight We shoulda went for that TD to end the half.
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Dennis Allen = Rookie HC; not ready for the big stage as far a game management just like Hue last year
September 11th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Agreed Boss. Did not have much to lose going for it IMO
September 11th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
send greg krapp off the plank, fak that puto. COME ON REGGIE, PUT YOUR PANTS. THE HEAT IS GETTING HOTTER!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Boss01 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Dennis Allen = Rookie HC; not ready for the big stage as far a game management just like Hue last year
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And just like Belichick and Parcells and all the rest their first year. It’s a learning process. In fact, I could even see Reggie maybe even not agreeing with some of DA’s assistant hires, but having a mindset of “I’m gonna let the kid learn the hard way.”
September 11th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Put me down on that lost to fire Knapp!
I watched that game with 10 Donkey fans at my crib, all of them feeling sorry for the Raiders like that drunk stupid retarded Uncle you have. He’s so retarded there’s really not a whole lot to say?
I mean that was the 1st game that Caron and Dmac played together and that’s the best we go out of that? WTF?
Knapp better fix ome thing or The Nation is going to head hunt this guy!!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Oh and hey non trolls. First time really posting, been reading the zoo that is this blog for years tho.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Why does DA need to wear a visor at night ?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
CODE SIGN PLAX
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Dmac2008 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Agreed Boss. Did not have much to lose going for it IMO
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I had more of a problem with not going for it on 4th and short around midfield in the 2nd half knowing Condo was out and having seen Goethel already butcher a snap
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
Because that game was worse than this game fron Knapp.
After 1 game, we are AHEAD OF THE PACE OF THE 2010 OFFENSE.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
How bout we trade 2 first round picks to the Bengals for there assistant coach Hue Jackson. And then fire KNAPP?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
I just believe that we wasted a little bit of time on that drive, we had like 3 TO’s remaining , we were kinda slow out of huddle and didn’t get lined up really fast in no huddle plays.. gotta work on those
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On that drive – even after an incompletion and the clock wasn’t running, they got a fkn delay of game! That’s actually all on Palmer. He has to break that huddle faster.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
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Hell yeah they did. That’s all these people do.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Add me to the petition.
What a mockery last night.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
It’s all hyperbole, week after week. Raiders win? “X is the best in the league! Raiders are going to the Superbowl!” Raiders lose? “X needs to be fired/traded/cut! He’s a bum! Raiders will be lucky to win four games!”
September 11th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
We also need to sign Andre Carter. He had 10 sacks last year.
When we go up against Peyton, he will shred us if he gets as much time as Phyllis did last night.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
58,
…and sacrifice another season just to let a rookie coach “learn the hard way”?
Winning org’s NEVER sacrifice a season for any reason. Pitt. would NEVER do that, nor would NE. Why should Oakland be any different?
If that’s the case than why didn;t he simply hire an experienced coach?
I don’t know where Reggie thinks he has all this time to experiment with new systems and rookie coaches…meanwhile the fanbase dwindles and more money is lost, while at the same time trying to make a case for building a new stadium?
Shouldn’t there be a sense of urgency going on here?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
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And that was with a HC who was with the team the year before who had basically a full contingent of weapons. Not an entirely new crew.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Knapp was the OC is SF fron 01′ – 03′. they went #3 in scoring in 01′, 13th in scoring in 02′, and 9th in scoring in 03′
Knapp was OC in Atlanta from 04′ – 06′.
04′ Atl was 16th in scoring
05′ Atl was 14th in scoring
06′ Atl was 25th in scoring.\
Kanpp was OC in Oakland 07′ – 08′
07′ Oak was 23rd in scoring
08′ Oak was 29th in scoring
Knapp was OC in Seattle in 09′
09′ Sea was 25th in scoring
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
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Thanks for this Kell!
Now look at this track record and tell me what Knapp did to deserve running our offense!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
34, Boss
I remember that now, Palmer getting after Heyward-Bey, then trying to communicate with him.
QBs have more confidence in Moore & Streater.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
I had more of a problem with not going for it on 4th and short around midfield in the 2nd half knowing Condo was out and having seen Goethel already butcher a snap
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Yeah, I bet he would like a do-over on both those looking back on it now.
Secondly, I don’t like Knapp or his play calling but, no one was complaining about it until Streeter fumbled. In fact that first drive looked great up until that. Was not a fan of the reverse to Jones call though.No need to get cut at that point the Chargers we not putting up much of a fight till that play.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
2010 game against Tennesse, we average 4.3 yards per pass attempt.
Last night, 6 yards an attempt.
Perspective people!!! 2 months later we were scoring 50+ in Denver.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Carson needs DWOW back in the worst way, I am starting to lose patience with him as well…say what you want about DHB, at least the dude is durable and hasn’t missed a game. I already have given up on Ford, time to cut losses like Glass.
And Reggie better be scouring the earth for another WR right now, Plax would be ideal, would not mind a Chad-TO reunion at this point, anything would be better than last night’s abysmal offense
September 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Funny that the “Fire Condo” guys are conspicuasly abdent today. Where’s Bo?
September 11th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
*absent*
September 11th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Cute* sorry on my phone.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
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Yep, been doing it about 11 years now. It s tough.
Hell yeah they did. That’s all these people do.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Secondly, I don’t like Knapp or his play calling but, no one was complaining about it until Streeter fumbled. In fact that first drive looked great up until that. Was not a fan of the reverse to Jones call though.No need to get cut at that point the Chargers we not putting up much of a fight till that play.
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If Jones secures that ball, it’s a HUGE gain. Got the Charger defense going the wrong way on that one.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Denver signed center Koppen, Washington signed best FA long snapper available; probably knew Reggie was giving his agent a call.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Meh, the NFL season is a marathon not a sprint. It is just one game…. A terrible game but just one of 16.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Shouldn’t there be a sense of urgency going on here?
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Did you see the expression on Dennis Allen’s face late in that game? I am sure there is a sense of urgency.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
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Hell yeah they did. That’s all these people do.
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Yep, been doing it about 11 yrs now. It hasn’t been easy
September 11th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
If Jones secures that ball, it’s a HUGE gain. Got the Charger defense going the wrong way on that one.
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True but, it is a high risk high reward play. No need for it at that point. Their D was not putting up a big fight until after that blunder.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
58,
…and sacrifice another season just to let a rookie coach “learn the hard way”?
Winning org’s NEVER sacrifice a season for any reason. Pitt. would NEVER do that, nor would NE. Why should Oakland be any different?
If that’s the case than why didn;t he simply hire an experienced coach?
I don’t know where Reggie thinks he has all this time to experiment with new systems and rookie coaches…meanwhile the fanbase dwindles and more money is lost, while at the same time trying to make a case for building a new stadium?
Shouldn’t there be a sense of urgency going on here?
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We haven’t been a winning organization for a long time. Reggie’s trying to build one, but growing pains are inevitable. There’s only been one coach I’m aware of who walked into a losing franchise and immediately went to the championship: Vince Lombardi, who is currently not available.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Moore a 100%, we don’t need to sign a WR, would rather get a CB.
Promote Chekwa or trade Barksdale.
Only 51 healthy on active roster.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
@Duck what we don’t have any shovels???? Dig his a$$ up!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
briniging in guys like ochco or plax do us no good. We already have a big body guy to catch the ball underneath, hagan brings more tot he table in this respect than washed up retreads.
If you are looking to replace ford you need another speed guy
September 11th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
I’m more worried about special teams and running back than anything else.
September 11th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
There’s only been one coach I’m aware of who walked into a losing franchise and immediately went to the championship: Vince Lombardi, who is currently not available.
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Harbaugh came pretty dam close last year. lol
September 11th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
PLAX signing would only be for a tall end zone threat, which we do not have currently. CODE SIGN PLAX
September 11th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Reggie is a keeper (100%);
Allen (95%);
Knapp (33.3%);
Kaufman (3.33%).
September 11th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
The Raiders should wait to sign a receiver until they get a chance to see how the unit looks when Moore returns. Moore’s presence could open things up for Heyward-Bey and Streater/Hagan (especially if Streater gets over his nerves).
September 11th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Let me know if this has been stated…but has anyone mentioned the start to gruden’s career? you know, the one where the chiefs had 8 sacks on jeff george and the Raiders looked like hell? Not sure what the season is going to bring, but given history, I suggest we take the long view not the short view the day after the raiders had 6 turnovers (i am counting the kelly third down penalties) the d looked better than it had since the 80s, we had six penalties, the qb (that everyone is so fired up about) had almost 300 yards passing with a shaky receiving corps and three no picks…and lost by 8…there is something to build on here. and it aint the kind of building that is on cards
September 11th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Dmac2008 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
PLAX signing would only be for a tall end zone threat, which we do not have currently. CODE SIGN PLAX
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hagan DHB and the rookies are all tall guys that can catch in the endzone.
What can plax offer at his age that our younger big guys cant?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Duck, This is NOT a losing franchise. TWO consecutive NON LOSING seasons.
This isn’t an expansion team he took over. It is a team that was a defensive stop from winning the division last yr.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
They have Criner as a big Red Zone threat. Doubt Knapp would call his number down there though.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Place, T.O., Chad; would rather resign
Warren Wells!
September 11th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Bartell wasn’t very good to begin with, I am not sure Pat Lee isn’t better anyways.
Not sure why so many people had such blind faith in Bartell. He was an at-times starter for a last placed team.
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Ford and Bartell are suddenly wussy horseschitt when they get hurt?
As far as Bartell he was good enough in St. Louis that they gave him a $6.2 million per year contract before he got hurt. He was considered a late bloomer after coming into the league as a safety and many considered him one of the most underrated CBs in NFL in 2010, some even in 2009. In 2010 when we played the Rams in like the 2nd game of the year he looked like the best player on their D. Now 30 and hurt 2 years in a row. Reggie Mac gave him a 1 year contract 3 million max value. Obviously he got beat on that deep ball last night otherwise was good vs. pass and very good vs run last night. The 23 yard completion on the sideline on him was a perfect throw and catch. Stanford Routt was a career dissappointment until 2010 and then Al gives him 10.5 million a year and last year while he competed against top receivers lost his poise when not getting burned. I’d take a healthy Bartell myself; unfortunately, Bartell isn’t healthy
Pat Lee appeared to play very well last night, and for what it’s worth looked good in preseason, but with the loss of depth at CB we may have to take him off kick coverage where he’s excellent
Ford was hurt and now reinjured bad enough to need surgery and he runs awful tough on those reverses despite being half the size of some defenders so if he’s a wussy what does that make the semi’s on this blog by comparison?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
If you don’t throw the ball downfield, how is Moore going to help?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
The Giants lost their first game last year too.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Duck, This is NOT a losing franchise. TWO consecutive NON LOSING seasons.
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It’s not a winning franchise, that’s for sure. Middle of the pack.
And with the unsustainable salary cap situation, you’d be crazy to think that the Raiders were all of a sudden going to get over the hump if they kept Hue as HC/GM/Fuhrer and just replaced Bresnahan this offseason.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Duck, This is NOT a losing franchise. TWO consecutive NON LOSING seasons.
This isn’t an expansion team he took over. It is a team that was a defensive stop from winning the division last yr.
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Last year was illusion. Nobody in the AFC West was any good. Put Raiders in AFC North, they would have been 5-11.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Duck, Also, I am not saying we NEED to win the SB this yr.
I just don’t think it’s too much to ask that from where we were last yr. we take the next logical step which is playoffs…and see what happens from there maybe.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Knapp was the OC is SF fron 01′ – 03′. they went #3 in scoring in 01′, 13th in scoring in 02′, and 9th in scoring in 03′
Knapp was OC in Atlanta from 04′ – 06′.
04′ Atl was 16th in scoring
05′ Atl was 14th in scoring
06′ Atl was 25th in scoring.\
Kanpp was OC in Oakland 07′ – 08′
07′ Oak was 23rd in scoring
08′ Oak was 29th in scoring
Knapp was OC in Seattle in 09′
09′ Sea was 25th in scoring
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
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Thanks for this Kell!
Now look at this track record and tell me what Knapp did to deserve running our offense!
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its alarming to think that Dennis Allen cant understand that… we might be thinking to highly of this coach, but maybe he is just a coordinator….
September 11th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Everyone one says it’s a knee jerk reaction but I think raider nation just saw 2007,2008 pass right before there eyes.explain how Dmac can get over 5 yards a game with hue and can’t get 4 yards a carry with knapp.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
One more cb goes down, Huff moving to cb will start up again. Huff had a solid game; where was Mitchell?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Don’t panic people:
Packers 0-1
Giants 0-1
Saints 0-1
Steelers 0-1
Raiders 0-1
September 11th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You can call it what you want, Jacoby Ford is not a productive or reliable NFL option at WR right now.
He fumbles at a higher rate than anyone on the team, and now gets hurt more than just about anybody.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
WRs gotta get open so you can throw downfield. I’m not sure what game you guys were watching, but I watched one where receivers couldn’t get separation or were running wrong routes. Was Palmer just supposed to chuck it out there and hope someone magically appeared there to catch it?
If Moore can break free and run where he’s supposed to, it will help.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Dmac2008 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
PLAX signing would only be for a tall end zone threat, which we do not have currently. CODE SIGN PLAX
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hagan DHB and the rookies are all tall guys that can catch in the endzone.
What can plax offer at his age that our younger big guys cant?
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Let’s see DHB and Hagan have 6 career TD’s… PLAX had 8 last year alone.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Career TD’s EACH
September 11th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
as much as I love dmac, im still not sold on him in this zone scheme. At arkansas he was much better when he took the ball and went down hill straight toward the line, he was far less effective moving parallel to the line of scrimmage. That was more of felix jones’s role in that offense.
Its puzzling because dmac has such speed you think he would fit well into the stretch and create lots of seams in the pursuit. I cant put my finger on it, but he just isnt the same guy running toward the boundary as he is in the power running scheme.
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thats because he is an impatient and aggressive runner. he has calmed down a little bit over time but he likes to hit the hole and go. he runs with the size of a guy like mike bush and brandon jacobs. he can run zone but he is best suited for power running. he likes to initiate contact as much as he likes to out run you. arian foster is perfect for the zone cuz he is a smooth, patient runner. watch how foster waits behind his line and then explodes through the hole. that is what dmc is going to have to do to excel in this scheme. he will have to trust what he sees and then burst.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
briniging in guys like ochco or plax do us no good. We already have a big body guy to catch the ball underneath, hagan brings more tot he table in this respect than washed up retreads.
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Why is Plax washed up? He was pretty good in red zone for a guy straight out the pen last year. If we don’t sign him some team will and soon.
Now T.O. and Chad Johnson/Ochocinco/Ochenta y cinco really are washed up. And don’t listen to Carson too much, he begged for Houshmandzadeh last year and he was washed up. Carson also said that McGee and Ausberry would break out by 2012 training camp didn’t he?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
i also dont believe dmc trust this oline in this scheme yet. you almost have to wait for these defenders to get near you and then cut back in a hurry. if youre use to just seeing a crease and hitting it, it might be hard to break that habit and just wait for the olinemen to move the defender at the last minute. with that being said that oline didnt do sh!t in run blocking.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Promote Chekwa, might as well find out if he can play in Tarver’s defense.
I think he is the only cb that is signed long term, if practice squad hasn’t negated his rookie contract.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Duck, This is NOT a losing franchise. TWO consecutive NON LOSING seasons.
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It’s not a winning franchise, that’s for sure. Middle of the pack.
And with the unsustainable salary cap situation, you’d be crazy to think that the Raiders were all of a sudden going to get over the hump if they kept Hue as HC/GM/Fuhrer and just replaced Bresnahan this offseason.
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I disagree with you on that. I think that would have been enough seeing as our defense literally gave away 4 games last yr.
Granted, each yr. is different. Schedule appears tougher for us and some teams that were bad last yr may be good this yr. and vice versa.
What’s done is done though. I was not against the Reggie hire, nor the DA hire but I just think people are giving Reggie too much leeway with “fixing” this and giving him 3 yrs. to show progress when teams like Carolina as an expansion team make it to the title game in 3.
But again, i’m not talking SB. I’m talking division winners or wild card and seeing what happens.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
i dont think this line has adjusted to the blocking either. i didnt think they run blocked well in the preseason. dmc was just explosive. it will take time but i dont know if veldheer is good for this system. he also needs to improve. barnes isnt the only one fugging up out there. we need wiz back in a hurry.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Darren will be fine, it was his first game back from injury, and was clearly gassed in the 2nd half and didn’t have his 4th quarter legs just yet.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Sign Cooley as TE, move Ausberry back to WR.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
CODE SIGN PLAX
Night fellas
September 11th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Bartell set to miss significant time, too Raiders coach Dennis Allen said earlier today that wide recevier Jacoby Ford is going to miss “significant” time in light of Ford having surgery performed on his left foot. Now comes word from ESPN’s Bill Williamson that Raiders sta… [...]
September 11th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
John David Booty Says: A lot of younger gen fans, myself included, that have actually only been alive long enough to know the Raiders as a losing culture. Could just be part of the mental conditioning at this point. There is probably some very sad psychology study in the waiting regarding Raiders fans born in 1980 or later, and a link to depression or other emotional disorders./////Should of become a whiner fan or a fan of the patsy’s, like Kool Kell or RaiderOne or Alex7 and you’d feel so good about yourself you’d go to the
Raider blog and talk sh1t to make yourself feel even better. In other words, fvck yo
September 11th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Man, just got back and I’m still hot.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I’ll get over this loss maybe Sat. night. I Love my Raiders and I hope we are not being sold wolf tickets. If we can’t defeat sorry Miami…then who can we defeat? I’m not sold yet and what we saw last night is unacceptable. I’m trying to get a good feeling about this new scheme but I just can’t right now. I may feel differently Sunday morning. Who knows?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
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September 11th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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September 11th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
raiders struggle in redzone, wrs struggle to get separation. 2 things Plax excels at..sign him and he will catch tds for us.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Sign Cooley as TE, move Ausberry back to WR.
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Ausberry looked pretty fattened up in preseason. He’s a TE. Much better blocker than last year, but still has a long way to go. If he keeps making big hits on special teams we certainly will wait and see if he develops his skills for offense. Last year he was inconsistent on kick coverage but made some excellent plays
September 11th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
oldschoolraider Says: KK was a sailor? Coast Guard perhaps?/////////////Never knew a sailor? 97% just swab the decks or polish the brass. You know what Kell was doing.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
Because that game was worse than this game fron Knapp.
After 1 game, we are AHEAD OF THE PACE OF THE 2010 OFFENSE.
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We were so excited to start the season.
We were looking to see some real offense after what we saw in the second half of last season.
We new the D was going to be awesome.
We have sufferred long enough.
We got the right guys to run a PBS and a QB than can get vertical.
We don’t have the personel to run a ZBS/WCO.
The WCO suck ass anyway when you got CP3 and DMAC.
So last night we coulda been eatin steak and eggs but instead we were fed dog shіt. And funny thing, the dog shіt came right outta the horses ass.
The results speak for themselves good sir.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
September 11th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
To me this loss falls right onto the special teams. The Raider defense played pretty dang well. The offense moved the ball. They got a couple of lst downs to start the second half, and then the special team follies began. Clearly that rattled the offensive players.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I don’t think there is really too much wrong with KNapp’s offense … i think its just that he runs too much slow tempo O , which gives D’s a lot of rest in between plays and for D Coordinators to adjust, successful O’s in this league play uptempo O’s and they get in and out of huddle quickly with a lot of time left on the play clock, to adjust the plays at LOS
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Exactly correct. Finally some sense from this blog. I nominate Mcfadden20 for captain of the ship. Also hurting this is rookie undrafted free agent WR in the starting line-up next a guy they signed earlier that week. All that on top of the fact that this offense is using a new system, new coach, new everything and it’s the first game…..
September 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Reggie took a risk making Bartells his choice to be our #1 corner. Injury prone and no int since 2008..now he will miss another 4-6 weeks..In “reggie we trust”..lol
September 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
2010 game against Tennesse, we average 4.3 yards per pass attempt.
Last night, 6 yards an attempt.
Perspective people!!! 2 months later we were scoring 50+ in Denver.
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You should take you’re own advice. After that game, you wanted Campbell cut and declared Bruise the answer. “2 months later we were scoring 50+ in Denver”, with JC at QB. LOL!
September 11th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
Because that game was worse than this game fron Knapp.
After 1 game, we are AHEAD OF THE PACE OF THE 2010 OFFENSE.
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You’re reaching, bro.
I think most people could see that Jason Campbell stunk up the joint that day against Tenn. Campbell was benched following a similar first-half showing the following game against the Rams. Gradkowski came in and Hue’s offense instantly went to work and really never looked back, despite shuffling Campbell and Grads in and out of the lineup, and we came back to win that Rams game.
I think the thing with Knapp is that this is his second go-around and the first was not pretty and ended with him being stripped of play-calling duties.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
C. Johnson? I don’t know if this team needs that circus. Even so, wont Goddell come down on him and give a suspension if he is signed by a team? You know, for being a woman beater.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
To me this loss falls right onto the special teams. The Raider defense played pretty dang well. The offense moved the ball. They got a couple of lst downs to start the second half, and then the special team follies began. Clearly that rattled the offensive players.
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Yup.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Don’t think any Raider fans like Knapp. This guy doesn’t.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIGb2cUvrtE
September 11th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Another man down huh?
Where are all the people that whined about Hue making rookie head coaching mistakes and not doing the same with DA?
If the offense doesn’t get going and score TD’s….this season will be over before it ever started.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I think there are two avenues of criticism regarding Knapp right now, though they’re not mutually exclusive:
1) He stinks. Lame offensive system and lousy play-calling.
2) His system doesn’t fit the talent on the roster and he’s foolishly forcing the entire team to try to fit his system rather than tailor the system to the players.
I would say I fall into camp #2 while reserving judgment on #1. The receiving corps was really decimated last night and most of those passes to McFadden were check-downs because nothing else was open or the pass rush was closing in on Palmer and he had to get rid of it. I don’t think most were where the play was originally intended to go. However, the offensive line played worse than at just about any point last year and one has to wonder what’s up with that.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
MaxtallicA Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I don’t think there is really too much wrong with KNapp’s offense … i think its just that he runs too much slow tempo O , which gives D’s a lot of rest in between plays and for D Coordinators to adjust, successful O’s in this league play uptempo O’s and they get in and out of huddle quickly with a lot of time left on the play clock, to adjust the plays at LOS
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Exactly correct. Finally some sense from this blog. I nominate Mcfadden20 for captain of the ship. Also hurting this is rookie undrafted free agent WR in the starting line-up next a guy they signed earlier that week. All that on top of the fact that this offense is using a new system, new coach, new everything and it’s the first game…..
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Knapp does not and NEVER has run a up tempo offense which brings us to this.
Allen’s intro Interview:
“I’m going to sum it up real quickly for you guys. On offense, we’re going to be up-tempo. We want to be fast, we want to be aggressive. You’ll hear me use that word a lot, aggressiveness, and I think that’s critical in the game of football. We want to be fast. We want to be up-tempo. We’re going to be able to run the football and run the football solidly so we can stay ahead of the chains on first and second down, okay, and we’re going to be explosive in the passing game. We’ve got those weapons in place to be able to do that, and that’s what we’re going to do.”
Then he hires Knapp??????? Sounds like Allen should of went after the Oregon Ducks OC if he wanted “Up tempo”.
Allen has no clue what he is doing. Either does Reggie.
Raider Nation has been Bambozooled
September 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
oldschoolraider Says: KK was a sailor? Coast Guard perhaps?/////////////Never knew a sailor? 97% just swab the decks or polish the brass. You know what Kell was doing.
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Kell was in the Navy back in the 1950s.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
They ran the no huddle for a little bit and looked good. Don’t know why they stopped.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Forget Chad. IMO he’s toast. I would opt for one of these four guys, in this order, instead…
1) Plaxico
2) T.O.
3) Shockey
4) Cooley
September 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
i dont get how anyone can say the offense played well. we scored 6 pts until the chargers went into their prevent defense. When you fumble a pass, or have 12 men in the huddle on 4th and 1, or drop pitches for 25 yd losses, or cant complete passes more than 10-15 yds down the field, or get a delay of game at the end of the 1st half at the 10yd line, or watch one of the best RBs in the nfl average 2 yds per carry, and have your offensive line get bullied, one would think its obvious there is alot of room for improvement.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
You’re reaching, bro.
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Reaching for what? Some facts and historical perspective?
Sorry, I guess only off-the-wall, half-cocked opinions are allowed.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Another man down huh?
Where are all the people that whined about Hue making rookie head coaching mistakes and not doing the same with DA?
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What mistakes do you think he made? Not going for it on 4th to end the lst half?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
And that’s exactly the offense DA wants. He’s said it from the beginning. He wants an up tempo offense. But that takes players with a lot of knowledge and experience in the system. It was the first game.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
I think Plax would be a great addition. We need a big target for the red zone and to move the chains. Palmer is not at all afraid to put a ball in a tight window and give his WR an opportunity to make a play on it. That’s really Plax’s specialty and the odds of finding another guy like that off the street right now are basically nil.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
You guys are criticizing Knapp, how’s about Tarver not getting any rush? Norphus did a masterful job of scheming his end that basically protected their LT and negated 77. I don’t think I heard 77’s number called the entire last three quarters.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Another man down huh?
Where are all the people that whined about Hue making rookie head coaching mistakes and not doing the same with DA?
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What mistakes do you think he made? Not going for it on 4th to end the lst half?
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No backup long snapper….not going for it on 4th, even tho Knapp would have screwed it up. Not telling Knapp to make adjustments on offense and start going to Reece, Myers and throwing screens and stop and go routes. Knapp was DA’s hire, but McK signed off on it. Lousy.
And not knowing what was going on at the end of the game.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Plax is the best option, especially for our red zone woes. Reggie is probably looking into signing Nick Miller though
September 11th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
You guys are criticizing Knapp, how’s about Tarver not getting any rush? Norphus did a masterful job of scheming his end that basically protected their LT and negated 77. I don’t think I heard 77’s number called the entire last three quarters.
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I can’t criticize Tarver, that defense held Rivers to 1 TD and forced Fgs on the short fields dealt to them.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
nyraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
i dont get how anyone can say the offense played well.
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Who said the offense played well?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
You guys are criticizing Knapp, how’s about Tarver not getting any rush? Norphus did a masterful job of scheming his end that basically protected their LT and negated 77. I don’t think I heard 77’s number called the entire last three quarters.
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Yep. Not enough blizting from the backside or middle.
Knapp and Hoffman SUCK though!
Get ready for ugly rebuild mode.
DA and the rest of the coaches need to wake their azzes up and get these players to wake up
Honeymoon is over!
September 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Yes, a better rush would have been nice, but I was impressed with that group. Still shaking my head at Kelly though.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We lacked a rush because Reggie cut wimbley who was our only true speed rusher.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Plax? What about DHB and Criner?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Tarver did an outstanding job. Especially considering that was his lst NFL game I believe as DC. But he did get out schemed on the line.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaidO Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
MaxtallicA Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I don’t think there is really too much wrong with KNapp’s offense … i think its just that he runs too much slow tempo O , which gives D’s a lot of rest in between plays and for D Coordinators to adjust, successful O’s in this league play uptempo O’s and they get in and out of huddle quickly with a lot of time left on the play clock, to adjust the plays at LOS
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Exactly correct. Finally some sense from this blog. I nominate Mcfadden20 for captain of the ship. Also hurting this is rookie undrafted free agent WR in the starting line-up next a guy they signed earlier that week. All that on top of the fact that this offense is using a new system, new coach, new everything and it’s the first game…..
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Knapp does not and NEVER has run a up tempo offense which brings us to this.
Allen’s intro Interview:
“I’m going to sum it up real quickly for you guys. On offense, we’re going to be up-tempo. We want to be fast, we want to be aggressive. You’ll hear me use that word a lot, aggressiveness, and I think that’s critical in the game of football. We want to be fast. We want to be up-tempo. We’re going to be able to run the football and run the football solidly so we can stay ahead of the chains on first and second down, okay, and we’re going to be explosive in the passing game. We’ve got those weapons in place to be able to do that, and that’s what we’re going to do.”
Then he hires Knapp??????? Sounds like Allen should of went after the Oregon Ducks OC if he wanted “Up tempo”.
Allen has no clue what he is doing. Either does Reggie.
Raider Nation has been Bambozooled
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Yep. Terrible!
Saunders needs to start calling plays on offense before it is too late.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Chris in NY Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
Because that game was worse than this game fron Knapp.
After 1 game, we are AHEAD OF THE PACE OF THE 2010 OFFENSE.
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You’re reaching, bro.
I think most people could see that Jason Campbell stunk up the joint that day against Tenn. Campbell was benched following a similar first-half showing the following game against the Rams. Gradkowski came in and Hue’s offense instantly went to work and really never looked back, despite shuffling Campbell and Grads in and out of the lineup, and we came back to win that Rams game.
I think the thing with Knapp is that this is his second go-around and the first was not pretty and ended with him being stripped of play-calling duties.
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also Hue took over an offense that sucked, whereas Knapp took over an offense that was darned good when DMC was healthy. Knapp’s offense so far so lame. I’m not quite ready to fire him yet but…
as far as the zbs remember Cable ran a zbs but not quite like what Knapp is trying to do. When Hue came that offense changed but certainly they ran a lot of zone stretch running plays in 2010 when DMC broke out (and many of the OL personnel were same as now), and even last year they ran a select few. Certainly DMC isn’t a patient runner and maybe not in the prototype zone stretch mold, but his decisiveness is highly valued in zone stretch system. Plenty of DMC’s best runs have been around end or off tackle and anyway, less often thumping straight into the line, and the zone stretch system uses inside and outside runs both. The blocking execution needs to be there for zbs to be successful. Hope Wiz back soon. But zbs has a very good track record in NFL re: running game. But with the success of the offense last year and the personnel being best fit for a power based system, I have to agree that the best bet would have been to stick with the system that fit the personnel best. But I don’t see mass incompatibility. Hope Knapp can get more creative fast and players can execute, but it’s not like it’s hopeless, at least not yet.
I hope Knapp only got a 1 year contract. He has more to prove than anyone at this point
Also Reggie Mac took a gamble (no doubt mostly financially driven) that we could go with limited depth at RB, no power short yardage goalline specialist, and a bunch of questionable TEs…and so far it ain’t workin’
with the massive 90 90 90 75 man preseason rosters, much less talent became available till final cuts this year. So Reggie ain’t done yet finding players for this year.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Aint nobody in their right mind think we gave up to much for Palmer. He’s the best thing since Plunkett. We gave up a lot more on several occasions and several picks, eh? Think about it. Plus our 1st rounders aint always been so special, so quit cryin over spilt milk.
Only difference between Plunk and CP3 is Plunk called his own game. Let Carson call his own game and I’ll see you in New Orleans at the Super Bowl.
Bull shlt game last night. Bunch of fckn bull shlt. Play calling sucked and so does that shlt wco. You got to know what your doin and we dont.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
You’re reaching, bro.
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Reaching for what? Some facts and historical perspective?
Sorry, I guess only off-the-wall, half-cocked opinions are allowed.
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I just think that using a one-game comparison to a game on the road with a clearly inferior QB at the helm to say “Knapp’s offense didn’t suck as bad as Hue’s offense in that first game and Hue’s offense turned out very good, therefore Knapp’s offense should be even better” is a stretch.
I mean, if you’re point is that it was only one game and everyone should chill out and give it a little time, that’s fair enough and I have no problem with that argument. But I think Hue proved beyond that game that he could run a very good offensive system and I don’t think Knapp has done that yet, at least not in the last 10 years or so.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
2010 game against Tennesse, we average 4.3 yards per pass attempt.
Last night, 6 yards an attempt.
Perspective people!!! 2 months later we were scoring 50+ in Denver.
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You should take you’re own advice. After that game, you wanted Campbell cut and declared Bruise the answer. “2 months later we were scoring 50+ in Denver”, with JC at QB. LOL!
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DEBO!!!!!! that is funny ain’t it?
September 11th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
seymour bush, i’ve been saying for a few years now that we need some speedy de’s. people in here kept saying we didn’t need one because of our sack totals. that was misleading because the games showed that we didn’t get any consistent pass rush from our de’s.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
I can’t critize Tarver at all considering most of the Chargers drives start IN FIELD GOAL RANGE and Knapp’s pedestrian offense kept them on the field for most of the game.
Would I like to see more pass rush? Sure, but his first game out as an NFL DC with no corners was head and shoulders better than anything Bresnahan did last year.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
nyraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We lacked a rush because Reggie cut wimbley who was our only true speed rusher.
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Reggie didn’t cut him, he just didn’t want to pay him $6mm per sack.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I still think Grads > Campbell. Absolutely.
Although I will say that Campbell was playing a lot better last year than his first year in Oakland or any time prior to that in his pro career.
The problem with Grads is he couldn’t seem to stay healthy. So I don’t know if you could bank on him for a full season either.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
armond Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
seymour bush, i’ve been saying for a few years now that we need some speedy de’s. people in here kept saying we didn’t need one because of our sack totals. that was misleading because the games showed that we didn’t get any consistent pass rush from our de’s.
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You are right. A fast rush end would help this team go far. Very far.
September 11th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
We lacked a rush because Reggie cut wimbley who was our only true speed rusher.
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Kam was not cut by Reg.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
nyraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We lacked a rush because Reggie cut wimbley who was our only true speed rusher.
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Reggie didn’t cut him, he just didn’t want to pay him $6mm per sack.
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Reggie did cut him. I think we’re paying like $6 mil of Kam’s salary this season rather than $10 mil or so. Though I could be wrong about that. May have just been a $6 mil cap hit though.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Tarver didnt have a good game but it wasnt close to the disappointment generated by the offense and special teams. I also think Tarver is working with alot less talent than on the offense. Reggie didnt bring in one playmaker in the secondary and cut our best pass rusher.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Damn Ive been tearing up the critics and naysayers and there’s always a new post and everybody is denied my wonderful insights and witticisms.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Matter of fact, Wimbley’s agent made a point to say how professional it was working with Reg to try and negotiate a deal.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Cam was a good rusher 2 out of the 16 games. Invisible for the rest.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
But, unlike some others here, I don’t think that they are worth reposting.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Reggie did cut him.
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I know he did, I was just making a joke. Actually, Wimbley cut himself. He would not restructure so…….
September 11th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
It appears that it will take Reggie at least another year to clean up Al Davis’ rotten mess of overpaying average guys and drafting like a drunk sailor!
September 11th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Something I dont understand. Why do the Raiders allow knapp to call plays that dont work. The was not one explosive play, or a breaking play, or yards after catch. Nothing worked. Why do they allow such futility? It aint right.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
DHB did not step up and Palmer needed him last night! Our special teams right now could be the worst in NFL history.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I give Knapp 1 more week like this BEFORE calling for his head.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
It’s good enough for R Seymour why not Wimbley? R Seymour is revered in here by fktards like KK and Peymour Bush for showing up 3 games a year.
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Morilla Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Cam was a good rusher 2 out of the 16 games. Invisible for the rest.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
How was SD able to game plan for knapp? He sure as hell showed nothing in pre season, so what did SD have to go by?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Bay area folks, are people talking about Knapp on the radio shows up there?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Something I dont understand. Why do the Raiders allow knapp to call plays that dont work. The was not one explosive play, or a breaking play, or yards after catch. Nothing worked. Why do they allow such futility? It aint right.
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I guess you could say the same thing about the Raider D last season. The poor playing was allowed. Guess we’ll find out what kind of coach Allen is. Improve it or lose it.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Unless Moore shows up in Miami, what reason do we have to believe we can win? Anybody see any hope here?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
It’s good enough for R Seymour why not Wimbley? R Seymour is revered in here by fktards like KK and Peymour Bush for showing up 3 games a year.
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Seymour sure had a good game yesterday. But you were probably watching cleveland browns highlights.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
if raiders cant beat dolphins -worst team in league with rook QB then you can write this year off to rebuild
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
See how Peymour proves my point. Seymour has 1 decent play the entire game and nothing else and this derelict Peymour Bush gives him props.
Commitment to Garbage!
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Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Seymour sure had a good game yesterday. But you were probably watching cleveland browns highlights.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Which decent play was that Jamista?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
190. They only were concerned about McFadden. They were right.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
cant necessarily peg knapp when carson talking @ SD running for hills taking away long routes. one reciever a untaken free agent there a week and the other a undrafted rookie?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
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Really? I guess Houston is schitty now that knapp left. But hey, their DC must be partying this week cause he knows knapps offense is coming to town, so yeah, miami D is gonna be one tough b1tch, fo sho.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
beach Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
190. They only were concerned about McFadden. They were right.
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Exactly. Who were the other weapons? DHB? Not much there. Hagan? Not much there. Streator? Never played an NFL game before. Myers? Not much there. Kill the OC!
September 11th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Post 190
The Texans offense. Is what they watched to prepare for last nite
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
94720Raider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
How was SD able to game plan for knapp? He sure as hell showed nothing in pre season, so what did SD have to go by?
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Easy, key on DMAC, cover the dump routes.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
How fckng embarassing to run Dmac out there so many times. Are we really that 1 dimensional? Really?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Houston dropped 30 on Miami. A real juggernaut they are Peymour!
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Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Beach Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
It appears that it will take Reggie at least another year to clean up Al Davis’ rotten mess of overpaying average guys and drafting like a drunk sailor!
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“in Reggie we trust” right..yep..just because he’s not Al right? Reggie hasnt impressed me at all he;
1) brought in a secondary with injury concerns and bartell hadnt had an int since 2008, while spencer’s best yr in 9 yrs generated 4 ints- all when there was alot of quality free agent cbs out there
2) although our 2 out of 3 best wrs where out over a month ago he did nothing except bring in a wr we cut last yr and cut this yr by the bills
3) didnt have a backup long snapper on roster
4) was unable to convince our best speed rusher to restructure so he cut him and didnt replace the speed needed to generate a pass rush
5)tore apart our OL which was our biggest strength last year
6) a new head coach tries to fill his staff as quick as possible, therefore its the GMs job to make sure these hires fit with the strengths of the team. Reggie had to approve hiring Knapp
in the end, you can blindly follow reggie, but maybe you should change the slogan to “in reggie we trust just because he is not Al”..that would be more accurate . Al for all his faults and mistakes at least tried and went down swinging..Time will tell about reggie, but right now I’m not impressed
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
A’s now lead 3 to 2. A team with 4 rookie starters is having an incredible season. Streater and Criner can learn something from these winners!
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RaiderThreeRingCircus Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
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Really?
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Considering last year the Dolphin defense was like 3rd against the run and 5th in points allowed, that seems pretty good to me.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RaiderThreeRingCircus Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
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Really? I guess Houston is schitty now that knapp left. But hey, their DC must be partying this week cause he knows knapps offense is coming to town, so yeah, miami D is gonna be one tough b1tch, fo sho.
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Knapp was the QB coach NOT the OC at Houston.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Attention all 32 NFL teams:
If your Defense gives up 30 points Peymour Bush from Oakland says your Def is VERY good.
Brilliant take Peemour, go have a cookie and take your meds!
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Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Houston dropped 30 on Miami. A real juggernaut they are Peymour!
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Miami turned it over 4 times, Houston none. But you were busy watching the Browns to know that right?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
NY, time will tell. My main answer to you is that we cannot get the better free agents because nobody wants to play for this franchise. Sad, but true.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Say Jamista you ARE really a brain dead clown aren’t you? I mean in all seriousness, you really are a brain dead clown.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
They didnt look shocked by our shocking new offense and defense…
September 11th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I honestly am not sure who to trust with this organization right now. We can agree that Al went out swinging.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
In Reggie we trust?
Not me. Not yet.
Look at the product on the field.
HE is the one who made the roster moves.
HE is the one who hired “his guy” DA
HE is THE MAN…PERIOD.
What you saw in his debut…under the spotlight on MNF…..was CRAP.
No two ways about it.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
I am just going to piss on it and wipe my ass clean of the bull shtt.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
can we even get anything for jacoby? he checked out a long time ago? his last good game?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Miami’s def was ranked 15th last year.
Do you ever get ANYTHING right Peemore?
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Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Considering last year the Dolphin defense was like 3rd against the run and 5th in points allowed, that seems pretty good to me.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
mikeschoice Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
can we even get anything for jacoby
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No.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Miami’s def was ranked 15th last year.
Do you ever get ANYTHING right Peemore?
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No seriously, you REALLY are a brain dead hick aren’t you? Seriously..
September 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Sign carter and plax
September 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
EVERY poll has miami dead azz lasT!
September 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Miami’s def was ranked 15th last year.
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15th in what? Can you even count to 15? Seriously? Think a twelve of malt liquor, and three empties of rose.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Gruden’s first NFL game was a stinker in KC. We can only pray that Dennis Allen has what it takes. The only positives from last night were DMC, Seabass, and the D holding the Chargers to less than 35 (considering all of the blunders by the offense and special teams).
September 11th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
beach Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
NY, time will tell. My main answer to you is that we cannot get the better free agents because nobody wants to play for this franchise. Sad, but true.
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Why not? I thought it was Al Davis no one wanted to play for?
Is it cuz they don’t like the city of Oakland?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Peemore, slide your mentally retarded azz over to NFL.com and look up Miami’s defense last year it was ranked #15
While you are calling me dumb I’m correcting your errors.
lmao
September 11th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Nyraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Beach Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
It appears that it will take Reggie at least another year to clean up Al Davis’ rotten mess of overpaying average guys and drafting like a drunk sailor!
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“in Reggie we trust” right..yep..just because he’s not Al right? Reggie hasnt impressed me at all he;
1) brought in a secondary with injury concerns and bartell hadnt had an int since 2008, while spencer’s best yr in 9 yrs generated 4 ints- all when there was alot of quality free agent cbs out there
2) although our 2 out of 3 best wrs where out over a month ago he did nothing except bring in a wr we cut last yr and cut this yr by the bills
3) didnt have a backup long snapper on roster
4) was unable to convince our best speed rusher to restructure so he cut him and didnt replace the speed needed to generate a pass rush
5)tore apart our OL which was our biggest strength last year
6) a new head coach tries to fill his staff as quick as possible, therefore its the GMs job to make sure these hires fit with the strengths of the team. Reggie had to approve hiring Knave
in the end, you can blindly follow reggie, but maybe you should change the slogan to “in reggie we trust just because he is not Al”..that would be more accurate . Al for all his faults and mistakes at least tried and went down swinging..Time will tell about reggie, but right now I’m not impressed
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Exactly! I am more than willing to give Reggie time, and to be fair, he didn’t have any early picks, but still. Trading Campbell for Goodson when our OL is weak & then declaring Goodson is “a great player” is hilarious. Then we cut DVD with our #1 corner who just played one game last year and sign another CB who fields the punt inside the 10-yard line. And with our WR depth issues, he trades Murphy. Get ready Pryor. A few more hits and you will be next in line.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RaiderThreeRingCircus Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
That dolphins defense is VERY good. They are going to give a lot of teams problems.
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Really? I guess Houston is schitty now that knapp left. But hey, their DC must be partying this week cause he knows knapps offense is coming to town, so yeah, miami D is gonna be one tough b1tch, fo sho.
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Knapp was the QB coach NOT the OC at Houston.
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Wow, Houston pretty good this year? I guess they weren’t that hungry that they wanted to keep knapp, or his agent fired his asking price right out the door. Anyway, if you want to be the OC in Oakland, you got to hace testicles made out of granite. Who knows, maybe knapp does. Say what?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
What part of Defense do you NOT understand?
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Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Miami’s def was ranked 15th last year.
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15th in what?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Poor Jamista. He’s the most angry confused person on earth. He loves the Browns but he comes to a Raider blog. He hates liberals, but loves government cheese. I hand it to him tho, he can really hold his vomit.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I think Jacoby Ford career is over. Where do we find these guys?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
they signing ocho
September 11th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
No secondary no passrush.. better tackling
September 11th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
In Reggie we trust?
Not me. Not yet.
Look at the product on the field.
HE is the one who made the roster moves.
HE is the one who hired “his guy” DA
HE is THE MAN…PERIOD.
What you saw in his debut…under the spotlight on MNF…..was CRAP.
No two ways about it.
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I hope yesterday teaches this guy that you need talent & a poor hiring choice(Knapp) and/or firing(Fassel) will hurt your team.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
226,
You sure Grudens 1st game was in Oakland against KC?
I think i recall the last game of his first season being at Arrowhead and us winning with a last second fg (or was it in ot?) by Joe Nedney that secured an 8-8 season.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
What part of Defense do you NOT understand?
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Duh, duh, duh, ooog, uh, did you not read my post? I said, they were 3rd against the run and 5th in points allowed. You said they were 15th. In what, Kim Kardashian rating their uni’s?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
I meant to say are u sure the 1st game was AT KC?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Giving Jamista Clown a statistic is like handing a chimp a loaded rifle.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Exactly! I am more than willing to give Reggie time, and to be fair, he didn’t have any early picks, but still. Trading Campbell for Goodson when our OL is weak & then declaring Goodson is “a great player” is hilarious. Then we cut DVD with our #1 corner who just played one game last year and sign another CB who fields the punt inside the 10-yard line. And with our WR depth issues, he trades Murphy. Get ready Pryor. A few more hits and you will be next in line.
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I’ll give big Reggie all the time he needs. Its the OC that needs to get it done now.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
227. It takes time to change the perception here. Too long IMO, but we have to turn this around.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
First game was at KC. You are thinking his 2nd season
September 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Letting Louis Murphy go definitely looks like a Reggie blunder today. Get on the field Criner and prove you are a winner!
September 11th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
243,
Ok. Gotcha.
So he was :
8-8
8-8
12-4
10-6 right?
Two straight 8-8 seasons…and then…boom.
Gee whiz. We just finished two 8-8 seasons…shouldn’t THIS be a big yr.?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
What bothers me is that Palmer had his best games against SD last season. Why not go back an look at tape an adjust to what. Works. Thatahld airbag vapor coaches do not shove your offensive scheme down the players throats an expect THEM to adjust. Before I add my name to that list I wanna see a few more games an see if we were just missing ford an moore.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
wow reggie is batting 1.000…what a con artist this guy is….mark wake the eff up, man up and grab control of your team…
September 11th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sorry smartphones
That’s what good coaches do
September 11th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
beach Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
NY, time will tell. My main answer to you is that we cannot get the better free agents because nobody wants to play for this franchise. Sad, but true.
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Why not? I thought it was Al Davis no one wanted to play for?
Is it cuz they don’t like the city of Oakland?
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i always thought Al had problems getting good coaches to want to coach here but it seemed to me alot of players wanted to play for Al and the silver and black.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
r8dercain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
What bothers me is that Palmer had his best games against SD last season. Why not go back an look at tape an adjust to what.
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That is what Pagano did to us. He saw the way Palmer ripped them last year and did not allow the big deep play. When we didn’t have our #2 OR #3, they keyed on Dmac the entire game. Without Kevin Boss or another viable alternative its Check mate.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
NY, he had to over since the Sapp signing.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Overspend.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
wow reggie is batting 1.000…what a con artist this guy is….mark wake the eff up, man up and grab control of your team…
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You are in hog heaven that we lost last night, aren’t you? Think of how sad and disappointed you’d be if we won. There’d be nothing for you to complain about then.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
What can I do to make the team better:
1) build around what has been proven to work and make it better
or
2) shove my perverted atiquidated pipe dream up your arse and sweet talk my way into a OC job.
I’ll go with option #2
Suck it, suck it, suck it. Another monday night embarassment. Remember when “Da Raiderrrrrs” dominated Monday Night Football?
SSSssshhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttt
September 11th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Beach, agreed Al did overspend toward the end, lets hope Reggie finds a middle ground instead of going completely the opposite direction. we’ll see
September 11th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Nyraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
beach Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
NY, time will tell. My main answer to you is that we cannot get the better free agents because nobody wants to play for this franchise. Sad, but true.
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Why not? I thought it was Al Davis no one wanted to play for?
Is it cuz they don’t like the city of Oakland?
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i always thought Al had problems getting good coaches to want to coach here but it seemed to me alot of players wanted to play for Al and the silver and black.
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Allen & Tarver look to be solid, but if Hoffman & Knapp is what we are gonna get then I am all for Reggie to put the *suggestion* to Allen about his hires.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
r8dercain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
What bothers me is that Palmer had his best games against SD last season. Why not go back an look at tape an adjust to what.
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That is what Pagano did to us. He saw the way Palmer ripped them last year and did not allow the big deep play. When we didn’t have our #2 OR #3, they keyed on Dmac the entire game. Without Kevin Boss or another viable alternative its Check mate.
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Are you a knapp apologist? He does need a support group in here, no doubt someone has to be bold enough. Just askin bro.
September 11th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
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Why not?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Are you a knapp apologist?
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No. Now let me ask you a question: why do you come here all day every day posting as different handles? No friends? No future? What is it son?
September 11th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Last year Hue Jackson said that he knew after the Buffalo debacle that our defense was inadequate. The inaction regarding Bresnehan last year cost us a playoff berth.
The Monday night game showed us that our offense as CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED is inadequate. I don’t want to hear about Ford and Moore being injured. Last year Mcfadden was injured and we were still knocking on the door of winning the AFC West.
IMMEDIATE change is needed. We cannot afford to WAIT until we lose to Miami and then make the necessary adjustments.
If Knapp refuses to implement an offensive scheme that BEST SUITS OUR PLAYERS rather than his EGO, he must relinquish play calling duties to Al Saunders IMMEDIATELY!
September 11th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Peemour, if you dont know about the total defense stat I can’t help you. Google is free!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Alot of my comments come from a place of anger mixed with disappointment.
I truly am sooo sick and tired of this team constantly disappointing me. It’s my own dam fault as noone is holding a gun to my head to root for this team but there is no way I could ever switch allegiances…it’s in my dna at this point.
I wonder sometimes if being a Raider fan was some punishment for some dastardly deed in a past life or something. I’m kidding…sort of.
To have to be legitmately concerned that we are gonna get our azzes kicked by Ryan freaking Tannehill and the Dolphins is really a damn shame. But yet..the concern is there; and judging by our history with Miami the last few yrs. my concern is more than justified.
It appears that we are not a good team….again. I’m really so freaking fed up with it all.
Vent over.
Thanks.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
You know guys…Jerry Mac said it best tonight…
Most of us wanted Al to step down and hire a GM. Now that we have a GM in place, everyone wants his head after one game!
Reggie, and maybe even DA stepped into a situation here. Did Mark hire the wrong guy? Maybe since he only interviewed Reggie, but some of you think think it was easy to just fill the holes that we needed….come on guys…give it time! Also, how do any of us know what he was trying to do or who he was gonna bring in? Rome was not built in a day…Heck, based on what you believe in, God took 6 days to build the world…I believe that the ship will be righted, but off of one game, I’m not going to jump off of a cliff! And believe me, being there last night, I was very disappointed and upset!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I don’t want to hear about Ford and Moore being injured. Last year Mcfadden was injured and we were still knocking on the door of winning the AFC West.
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McFadden was injured but we could fill in with a guy who was starting caliber. In this instance we have subbed arguably our best receiver and our 3rd with a guy who has been on four rosters in two years and another guy who has NEVER played an NFL game and fumbled early in the game on one of his lst plays. Does that not make some difference?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Yeah…and if DA doesn’t fire Knapp, then DA should be fired for hiring…and Reggie for hiring DA.
After last night, it’s obvious Al Davis faked his death…
About as retarded as anything else I just read..
September 11th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Peemour, if you dont know about the total defense stat I can’t help you. Google is free!
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So you think total defense is a better stat than scoring defense? Like I said, Chimp with a gun.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Hey wait, can it now be that we can sign people of need and not have the salary guaranteed?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Also, can Ford and Bartell now be put on temp IR and we can sign 2 more?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
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Why not?
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Let me spell it out for you:
1)Knapp’s offense needs a mobile QB who is deadly accurate on the short to intermediate throws a la Rich Gannon or Jeff Garcia. Palmer is a pocket QB with a big arm a la Drew Bledsoe.
2) Knapp’s offense needs wide receivers who run precise routes with good hands. We have DHB who does neither, accompanied by inexperienced, rookie Wide receivers. Moore is a down the field, vertical threat, not a west coast style receiver.
3) The majority of our quality linemen come from the Power scheme that we ran last year. Veldheer, Wiz2, Barnes, were not acquired to play a zone blocking scheme. Carlisle is on the decline. Our line stunk yesterday. They are clearly better suited for the Power scheme that they had tremendous success with last season.
Does that break it down enough for you Seymour?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Hey Jamista here is a breakdown on the Miami Houston game from Sunday. Have the six year old neighbor kid read it to you:
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In an opening game, or in any game for that matter, one bad drive can prove costly. If you have a mad five minutes akin to what the Dolphins suffered at the end of the second quarter in Houston, then you are dooming yourself to defeat. Some bad bounces and some poor execution led to the Dolphins squandering what was shaping up to be a solid debut for Head Coach Joe Philbin and quarterback Ryan Tannehill.
Both defenses were to the fore in this game, but as the Dolphins went about turning the ball over on four consecutive drives to end the first half (outside of a final kneel down) the Texans clinically put them away and the game was never in doubt in the second half. Miami fans can take some heart from this performance as for 55 minutes they were much of a match for Houston, a team that won a playoff game last season. However, those five minutes of madness illustrate the gap the Dolphins have to bridge this season.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I’m sorry. I lied. Vent continues. We have all this “New Era of Excellence” crap flashing up on my screen and all the happy go lucky reports from camp and we get all pumped for something…”good” and then we get what we get last night.
When is something good gonna happen to this freaking team?
We get excited about picking up Coyie Francies while other teams are picking up Peyton Manning.
WTH.
I really believe we deserve better than this bullcrap…we’ve put up with nothing but negative schytt for all these yrs. you’d think karma would at least stop by for a visit.
I know I sound like a whiner…and I am whining…just so damn sick of it all.
Peace my brothers.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
You know guys…Jerry Mac said it best tonight…
Most of us wanted Al to step down and hire a GM. Now that we have a GM in place, everyone wants his head after one game!
Reggie, and maybe even DA stepped into a situation here. Did Mark hire the wrong guy? Maybe since he only interviewed Reggie, but some of you think think it was easy to just fill the holes that we needed….come on guys…give it time! Also, how do any of us know what he was trying to do or who he was gonna bring in? Rome was not built in a day…Heck, based on what you believe in, God took 6 days to build the world…I believe that the ship will be righted, but off of one game, I’m not going to jump off of a cliff! And believe me, being there last night, I was very disappointed and upset!!!
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Reggie probably has the most job security out of all the staff. i personally am not calling for his head, just calling for him to take action and correct issues that he had a hand in. The Knapp hiring is a disaster , everyone knows its just a matter of time. You have Saunders there, cut your losses and dont let the season slip away. Reggie also needs to get a WR like Plax and a passrusher- maybe Carter..its too late to bring in a playmaker at corner. that ship has sailed.Reggie will make mistakes, but I havent been impressed by him at all..so far..that can change if he corrects our issues that are so clear to most..
September 11th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
This might be a timing offense but it’s about as West Coast as New York City…
September 11th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
If Joe Philbin out coaches Knapp this week head will need to roll starting with Knapp’s
September 11th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
I agree NY, Knapp is a friggen disaster…and yes, why not bring in Plax (now) and Carter. I wonder why he left without a contract though?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
DJ Johnny, We would be fools to not be concerned with ANY NFL team at this point. I think Kiffin and USC would have beat us last night.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
If its not one thing its another, sooner hopefully, rather than later, we’re beginning to see the same difference. So it begs to question, are the Raiders dirt poor, or is a penny earned that is saved (with all the salary cap casualties) make them under the cap? Its sink or swim time now I would guestimate for the Raiders since we’re comparing apples to oranges, whats done is done. Its not my cup of tea. But really, if I told ya once I told ya a thousand times, just touching base with the press is not enough. We need to step out of the box and get results. Win/loss results. Quit beating around the bush. Its like trying to find a needle in a haystack when it comes to winning games. This is no gravy train, but a bone would be nice. Even a soup bone. And dont tell me its the last place you looked, cause I dont know about you, but I always keep looking. So if the absence of wins makes the heart grow fonder, then all that glitters is not gold. We need wins. Period. The Raiders are better than that. Much better. We are not the dumbest team in America. We are smart ball players who like to ball. Reggie and Allen will get us some win. But everything happens for a reason, pre-season or regular season. Good things come to those who wait and you know we are waiting. A bird in the hand may be worth two in the bush, but I’d settle for a win right about now. To long we have not felt the wind in our face, or the taste of apple pie. To long we have not tasted water when our mouths were dry. When the goin gets tough, the tough get goin. Time to roll the dice. Time to roll up the sleeves and go to work Raiders. Its now or never, poop or get off the pot. If your gonna stare at it, take a picture, but quit posing. We are the Raiders, and we are on our way back to the glory days. We are the “Team of the Decades”, “Pride and Poise”, yeah, and “Commitment to Excellence”. Stand up players and take back that Lombardi. Now go out and play like the Raiders of the golden age. Justin Bieber aint got schiit on us. Boooyaaahh!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Does that break it down enough for you Seymour?
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Yes and no. You do a good job of breaking it down, but you are breaking down the wrong offense. People think WCO and they think Bill Walsh, SF Whiners, Green Bay. You even bring up Jeff Garcia yourself. This is the Gary Kubiak version of that which is not the same offense as you describe.
1) lst off, Palmer is much more mobile and athletic than you believe. He showed that yesterday. 2ndly, he is almost the exact same size and weight and athletic ability as Matt Schaub who does a tremendous job running Kubiaks O.
2) I completely agree with you with regards to the WR corp, but that is going to be the case regardless of what offense you are running. But more so in a WCO.
3) Veldheer came in under Cable to run the zone scheme. Brisiel was added who was one of Houston’s better blockers, and Wiz is not playing. Fans here have a huge problem with Barnes, but Barnes has not played poorly.
The problem really is in the TE position or lack thereof. But again, that would be a problem regardless of what system we are running. We are completely changing systems. We were going to do that regardless. It is going to take more than one game to get it down. As someone said earlier today, Rome wasn’t burnt in a day.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Late in the first half, an underneath pass to McFadden gained 14 yards to the 2-yard line to bring up fourth-and-1, but with seven seconds remaining, Allen opted to take the points and a 10-6 deficit rather than gamble and try to tie the game.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
This might be a timing offense but it’s about as West Coast as New York City…
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you are right.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Plax is only gonna get a 1 yr deal , so why not take the risk. He cant kill a lockeroom that quick. He can help Palmer because palmer’s best ball is the deep lob which is Plax’s strength. Also, DHB is not good in the red zone because of his hands and Plax is excellent in the red zone. No more Hagen’s or Parrish’s we need to take a risk on someone who can change a game.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
We have not had a team in a decade, for crying out loud. I am sick of supporting losers!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
The Knapp hiring is a disaster , everyone knows its just a matter of time. You have Saunders there, cut your losses and dont let the season slip away.
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Excellent observation NY Raider.
Don’t let this whole dam season slip away with that goofball.
Be bold and make the moves you KNOW must be made. Why wait till we are eliminated…he has to see the writing on the wall…everyone else does.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Late in the first half, an underneath pass to McFadden gained 14 yards to the 2-yard line to bring up fourth-and-1, but with seven seconds remaining, Allen opted to take the points and a 10-6 deficit rather than gamble and try to tie the game.
I wondered about that myself, Kell! That is why all the boo birds came out!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Will Reggie serve notice to knapp that his game plan was a hot steaming pile of poo or will he try and save face?
Will Allen in the back of his mind know we got big assed problems or will he just stay the course?
Does knapp feel the heat of a system that sucks or does he blame it on the players?
Do we have any knapp sympathizers in here?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Last season, the Raiders led the league in plays over 20yards. Big plays. They were explosive, even without DMC. Here’s another interesting stat from last season the Raiders were 8-0 when they held opponents to 27 points or less.
This Knapp crap will not stop until he’s fired.
Have Saunders call the plays on offense and let him and Palmer to what they did last year.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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The media DOES pay attention to what we say here. Once the media picks up on our sentiment, and begins reporting this, Dennis Allen will be forced to address it and both he and Knapp will be on notice!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Ok, I have to ask…
We left with 2:47 left in the game…obvioulsy we missed the touch down. So…how did we get the ball back and march down the field to try and set up a horrible onside kick (as I was told), and then get a punt as time expired? Just asking…I heard Palmer said screw it, ran the no huddle and got us down the field (albeit the prevent d that SD was playing). Any truth to this? And is so…why did he wait til the end of the game to do so?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
nyraider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Plax is only gonna get a 1 yr deal , so why not take the risk. He cant kill a lockeroom that quick. He can help Palmer because palmer’s best ball is the deep lob which is Plax’s strength. Also, DHB is not good in the red zone because of his hands and Plax is excellent in the red zone. No more Hagen’s or Parrish’s we need to take a risk on someone who can change a game.
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Agreed again. I couldn’t care less about “lockerroom vibes” or any of that b.s at this point. We need to WIN games…period.
What are we gonna say at the end of a 4-12 season? ‘Well at least we had a lockerroom of guys who got along well’.
Or, is ESPN gonna say “The Raiders were horrible last yr. but u gotta give the Raiders credit for having a solid lockerroom of nice guys”.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
ALAMEDA — During the pregame festivities before a 22-14 loss to the San Diego Chargers, Ice Cube entertained the O.co Coliseum crowd with a Raiders rap anthem that included the lyrics, “Touchdown, touchdown. Let’s throw a bomb on first down, let’s throw a bomb on every down.”
Considering the endless procession of short passes that had fans booing, chances are it wouldn’t have mattered if the Raiders offense had received one more snap with their backs to the Black Hole.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Late in the first half, an underneath pass to McFadden gained 14 yards to the 2-yard line to bring up fourth-and-1, but with seven seconds remaining, Allen opted to take the points and a 10-6 deficit rather than gamble and try to tie the game.
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We all know why he did it. Lack of confidence in the play calling, or the knowledge they dont have a play to punch it in from the 2, or he deferred it to the OC.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
RaiderGreatness Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Will Reggie serve notice to knapp that his game plan was a hot steaming pile of poo or will he try and save face?
Will Allen in the back of his mind know we got big assed problems or will he just stay the course?
Does knapp feel the heat of a system that sucks or does he blame it on the players?
Do we have any knapp sympathizers in here?
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History shows that McK, Allen and Knapp will be stubborn as long as possible and force the issue and see if Knapp can turn it around.
When they realize he can’t and have Saunders call the plays. It will be too late!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
True, Arm Chair…I do know that Jerry knows what is said on here. He mentioned last night that “there was a poster on the Raiders blog that kept questioning Condo and his high salary….bet he is quiet now”
September 11th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Palmer should be running the no huddle as much as possible in the next game versus Miami.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Hey, if Peyton can do it pretty much the whole game, why not?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Man I can’t wait till Sunday! We are going to dominate them dolphins!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
MaxtallicA Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Man I can’t wait till Sunday! We are going to dominate them dolphins!
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Keep expectations in check. It will help to ease the pain and disappointment.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Anyways…bring in Plax, bring back Carter! Do it Reg!
Good Night Nation!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Palmer should be running the no huddle as much as possible in the next game versus Miami.
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And, he is good at it and looks comfortable doing it.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
The Devil’s Advocate back for a quick hitter…..
Question:
Do we not have 2 Center’s on the team who can provide us with a shotgun snap?
Anyone ever heard of a quick kick? You know….a punt from 5-6 yards away?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfvVIqcMU8Q
Safe to say our staff panicked…..
I guess when a long snapper goes out of the game so does all common sense…..
But what the hell do I know?
Lets just let the professionals handle it!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
To add to that…why not?
Laters!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Sorry, had to reply…
301, didn’t we see Brady do a quick punt on 3rd down against Denver in the playoffs last year? A 20 yarder would have been better than nothing…
September 11th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RaiderGreatness Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Palmer should be running the no huddle as much as possible in the next game versus Miami.
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And, he is good at it and looks comfortable doing it.
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It makes too much sense..They won’t do it till it’s too late.
Can we have SOME KIND OF FREAKING GOOD NEWS AROUND HERE?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Do we not have 2 Center’s on the team who can provide us with a shotgun snap?
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It’s not the same. Long snapping is a much different thing than hiking the rock even in a shotgun formation. These players are specialists and after last night you can see why.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Can we have SOME KIND OF FREAKING GOOD NEWS AROUND HERE?
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SD ran 20 times for 32 yards.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Sorry I missed your point. Pooch punt? I don’t know if I would have Palmer pooch it. Too many things could go wrong.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Where the heck is that clown BSJ?
Bring some Condo ish to the table you reject.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Posts of good news i’d like to see in the morning by Cork:
-Raiders sign Plaxico Burress to shore up passing game.
-Raiders Fire Gregg Knapp…install Al Saunders as OC.
Throw us a freaking bone…please!
September 11th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
I’m not sure I watched the same game as most people commenting on here. I’m not worried about the offense, we moved the ball. There wasn’t any explosive plays and and a few mistakes but overall we moved the ball down the field pretty well. Special teams needs some serious attention, even though condo went out, I still see that as our biggest weakness.
The offense will mature and look better the more they play together.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
The sky is falling,,,, the sky is falling,,,
September 11th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
who the he77 says hog heaven? lol…freakin A&E show….
September 11th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
I WILL N O T KEEP MY EXPECTATIONS IN CHECK
September 11th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Do we not have 2 Center’s on the team who can provide us with a shotgun snap?
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It’s not the same. Long snapping is a much different thing than hiking the rock even in a shotgun formation. These players are specialists and after last night you can see why.
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Quick kick with lechler…..not Palmer….LOL
& After last night I didn’t learn a thing….but our staff did….
And I realize long snapping is not the same as using a shotgun snap…LOL….are you paying attention?
We should have quick kicked on 4th down….we might have only punted 20-30 yards….but it was a smarter idea than what we attempted all night long….
Aside from the fact that we should have gone for it twice..there were other options…such as a quick kick…but our staff obviously cannot think on the fly….
If you review the first snap by Goethel had it been a good snap it would have been block the first time by #88….the same guy who blocked it later in the game….
The fact that our Special Teams coach has a job still is mind boggling….
You guys are trying to blame the OC…..but you obviously didn’t watch the tape closely enough…
I’m Out Raiderville….
September 11th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Instead we’re more likely to hear:
-Raiders sign WR. “The Raiders today announced the signing of Abner Schittstuffer. Schittstuffer is an UDFA out of Austin Peay College. He made 3 catches in 2011 and has a long history of injuries. He had his testicles removed in 2009 which has significantly slowed his development. Dennis Allen said “We think Abner gives us some depth in the WR position…we intend to use him alot in red zone situations due to all the injuries we’ve had lately”.
Abner is 5′8 150 lbs. and has 6 total career catches at Austin Peay. His nickname at college was “Mr. Dropsy” due to his propensity to drop passes thrown to him.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Haha 311, seriously. People in here are hilarious
September 11th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Don’t think any Raider fans like Knapp. This guy doesn’t.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIGb2cUvrtE
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Who the fug hangs their wore out sneakers on the freaking wall?
I’m embarrassed to see this slob wearing a Raiduh jersey, never mind the drivel vacating his pie hole.
September 11th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
dj…that sounds just like a reggie move…he has tremendous work ethic.,,
September 11th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Oh yea and one more for the idiot that likes marks hair.
PUT YOUR PANTS!!
September 11th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
hwnrdr Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Late in the first half, an underneath pass to McFadden gained 14 yards to the 2-yard line to bring up fourth-and-1, but with seven seconds remaining, Allen opted to take the points and a 10-6 deficit rather than gamble and try to tie the game.
I wondered about that myself, Kell! That is why all the boo birds came out!
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Actually the first spot on that play was about the half yd line. The play was reviewed and the spot was moved back to about the 1 1/2 or two that is when they decided to kick it. it was reveiwed during the time out.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Wow, I’m in the sierra foothills and was just wandering around in the dark(no moon kind of dark) and it is just beautiful. Warm with a slight breeze, stars poking you in the eye, walk up to a fence or gate and a large animal walks up on the other side which in my case I know to be a llama but it is so dark you can’t see him but he is close enough to touch but keeps his distance. Smoking a cigarette, and drinking a beer. I love these kind of nights and that’s all I have to say about that ’cause I;m going back out there.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
hwnrdr Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Late in the first half, an underneath pass to McFadden gained 14 yards to the 2-yard line to bring up fourth-and-1, but with seven seconds remaining, Allen opted to take the points and a 10-6 deficit rather than gamble and try to tie the game.
I wondered about that myself, Kell! That is why all the boo birds came out!
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Actually the first spot on that play was about the half yd line. The play was reviewed and the spot was moved back to about the 1 1/2 or two that is when they decided to kick it. it was reveiwed during the time out.
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I don’t have an issue with that call there. You take the points. Completely demoralizing if we had gone for it and got stuffed.
Not going for it on some of the 4th and shorts in the 2nd half with your long snapper out and your punt team in a world of hurt, now that was a head scratcher. Especially after the 1st one got blown up.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Clarification on my last post. The 4th and shorts where we were near midfield. Those are the ones I felt we should have gone for with the punt team the way it was. Not the one where we were deep in our own territory. I can see why we chose to punt there and hope for the best.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says: DJ, you took this one too hard. I’ll yell at you when I get back. You gotta hang tough. It will get better and I’ll tell you why.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Just like preseason.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Will we start 1-4 or 0-5?
September 11th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Put your pants is a lame gay jinx… please never use it again
September 11th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
No wonder Bartell was released by St. Louis: injury prone.
We should release him too.
September 11th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Do we not have 2 Center’s on the team who can provide us with a shotgun snap?
================================================
It’s not the same. Long snapping is a much different thing than hiking the rock even in a shotgun formation. These players are specialists and after last night you can see why.
_____________________________
Quick kick with lechler…..not Palmer….LOL
& After last night I didn’t learn a thing….but our staff did….
And I realize long snapping is not the same as using a shotgun snap…LOL….are you paying attention?
We should have quick kicked on 4th down….we might have only punted 20-30 yards….but it was a smarter idea than what we attempted all night long….
Aside from the fact that we should have gone for it twice..there were other options…such as a quick kick…but our staff obviously cannot think on the fly….
If you review the first snap by Goethel had it been a good snap it would have been block the first time by #88….the same guy who blocked it later in the game….
The fact that our Special Teams coach has a job still is mind boggling….
You guys are trying to blame the OC…..but you obviously didn’t watch the tape closely enough…
I’m Out Raiderville….
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Couldn’t have said it better. Talk about amateurs, Raiders staff are it!
September 11th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Bartell was a big risk.. but its a one yr deal right?
We’re rebuilding so it doesnt really matter.. new guys next yr..
September 11th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Most of the punts would hv been blocked.. fire hoffman..
September 11th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/12/refo-chargers-raiders-week-1/
September 11th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
New era of rebuilding
September 11th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RaidersOne Says: Couldn’t have said it better. Talk about amateurs, Raiders staff are it!///////////Have you said anything better? Ever positive? Like the Raiders at all? Direct mus to one post tat suggests you actually are a Raider fan. JUST ONE RAIDERONE.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Duck, This is NOT a losing franchise. TWO consecutive NON LOSING seasons.
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It’s not a winning franchise, that’s for sure. Middle of the pack.
And with the unsustainable salary cap situation, you’d be crazy to think that the Raiders were all of a sudden going to get over the hump if they kept Hue as HC/GM/Fuhrer and just replaced Bresnahan this offseason.
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I disagree with you on that. I think that would have been enough seeing as our defense literally gave away 4 games last yr.
Granted, each yr. is different. Schedule appears tougher for us and some teams that were bad last yr may be good this yr. and vice versa.
What’s done is done though. I was not against the Reggie hire, nor the DA hire but I just think people are giving Reggie too much leeway with “fixing” this and giving him 3 yrs. to show progress when teams like Carolina as an expansion team make it to the title game in 3.
But again, i’m not talking SB. I’m talking division winners or wild card and seeing what happens.
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But that’s the thing – it NEEDS to be fixed.
No matter what, the Raiders were $22 million over the cap and needed to make some tough decisions. Hue Jackson was in no way qualified to do that. This isn’t the NFL of the 70s – to keep a franchise competitive, you need legitimate organizational structure in the front office. You need to have a GM to make those decisions.
More importantly, the GM and the head coach need to be on the same page. If not? You get situations like the one the Browns are in.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Direct mus to one post tat/////// my keyboard ’s getting hinky and I didn’t double check. That would be ‘Direct us to one post that…’
September 11th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Raiders’ staff are some of the most flat-footed, slowing thinking in the NFL.
Just letting Goethel blow kick after kick was asinine on the coaches part. It wasn’t Goethel’s fault, but you make a terrible mistake once it shouldn’t be repeated 4 more times.
Also, what about our no-huddle? The greatest teams do it again and again. Manning bro’s and Big Ben make their living by it. Yet we have no brain to observe and analyze success, then copy it with our own slant added to it.
It seems that CP3 has no capacity to improvise except blindly following plays called by Knapp.
Disappointing…….
September 11th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
[interview with high ranking football guy who asked that he not be named] Sept.10, 2012
? How do you feel about tonights Raiders?
A-Don’t get me started if you know whats best for you. Bury this game and move onto next week.
? Can the Raiders beat the Dophins?
A-If CP3 is allowed to conduct his own game, sure we can.
? Is it possible the Raiders can lose to the Dophins?
A-Yes, if knapp thinks he can game plan, then yes. It is very possible.
? Is it possible the Raider defense can contain Tannehill?
A-Absolutely. And it is going to be paramount that the D can put up scores if knapp is going to call plays.
? Is it likely knapp will be allowed to offense the game plan?
A-Anything is possible.
? Does McKenzie turn up the heat on Allen for the poor and sub-standard offensive performance Monday night, or does he go straight to knapp?
A-Smart money says he covertly brings Palmer and DMAC into his office and tells them to have a ‘plan B’.
? What will the plane ride home from Miami be like if the Raiders lose next Sunday?
A-There won’t be a plane ride home, but there will be one overcrowded greyhound bus with 53 players on it making there way back to Oakland.
? If the Raiders are in fact able to pull one off in Miami, what kind of credability will that lend to knapp and his WCO/ZBS?
A-Define what you mean by ‘pull one off’.
? You know, beat the Dophins.
A-Well that depends. Did Carson and DMAC go rogue and call there own game, does the defense return two or three interceptions for scores and hold Tannehill scoreless, does special teams score? There are a lot of variable alternatives to scoring here.
? Did the Raider D seem vastly improved on Monday night from a year ago?
A-Yes. But we have gone backwards offensively by leaps and bounds. We looked like a team trying to find its identity. A rudderless unit if you will. I mean com’on, expecting DMAC to carry us into the end zone when every one of the 11 defensive Chargers were keying his every step? They smelled he had the ball before he even broke the damn huddle.
? Losing Condo seem to be the key in losing Monday night. Would you agree?
A-Maybe. But a good team rebounds from setbacks like that. When Pastorini went down, Plunkett stepped right in and drove us to a Super Bowl victory against the Eagles. And he called his own plays mind you. We have an OC trying to impose a scheme that does not fit our players. Plunkett was a bright enough fellow and his game plan fit the personel he had. We game planned on the dark side of the moon last night. WCO and ZBS with Palmer? Really? And DMAC? Really?
? What will be the game plan going into Miami this week-end?
A-Like I said, the defensive unit MUST shut down Tannehill and the Dophins AND score. Special teams have to put a hurt on the Dophins, and if we want to score on offense, Palmer and DMAC and Co. must call their own game.
? What do you like the most about this years Raiders?
A-I’m still scratching my ass as to try and figure out why the hell knapp couldn’t adjust the 2nd half after he saw what San Diego was doin to his piece of crap WCO. I can’t get past that. If DMAC can’t hold up after the bye week, I’m gonna go pimp hand on someone. I mean, good grief man, if it aint workin, do something different. How many times did we go negative yardage. Where were our yards after catch. We were nothing on offense, nothing.
? Will you be at the game?
A-Yes, I’ll be there, but I’ll be hog-tied and chained to my chair. Cuz if I ain’t, and I see that inept WCO/ZBS bullshіt goin on, I just might go down to the field and piss up someones ass.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
if there’s such thing as a must win game in week two, this is gonna be it.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
if there’s such thing as a must win game in week two, this is gonna be it.
////////There isn’t.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Give him a few yrs… this isnt the lakers.. it will get better eventually
September 11th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
We might go 0-5 purvis.. id hope we get one against miami
September 11th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
if there’s such thing as a must win game in week two, this is gonna be it.
////////There isn’t.
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statistics about 0-2 teams making the playoffs might say differently. especially with pitt and dn coming up.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Ok Purvisman. How about that good news you were alluding to?
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
hwnrdr Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
True, Arm Chair…I do know that Jerry knows what is said on here. He mentioned last night that “there was a poster on the Raiders blog that kept questioning Condo and his high salary….bet he is quiet now”
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I could be wrong, but my take on it is this…
Mayor Jean Quan is working feverishly to try and keep the Raiders in Oakland and develop the ‘Coliseum City’ complex. No doubt Amy Trask and Mark Davis are a big part of that negotiation.
This is part of the reason there has been a HUGE effort to sell out all home games at the Coliseum the past two seasons!
If the fan base becomes quickly disillusioned because of the woeful offensive output compared with last season, and the dreaded “Blackouts” reappear, it will be a huge blow to the Raiders organization’s strong desire to build a new stadium here in Oakland.
In other words, Knapp’s woeful scheme actually has the potential to hurt the Raiders financially, which will not be tolerated simply because Dennis Allen wants to give his golf buddy a coordinator job!
So our voices can and will be heard! We will not tolerate ineptitude! We got rid of the scholarship players, we don’t need scholarship COACHES in their place!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
I forgot that raiderone is $$boy, terrell randall, rod money, and welcome nowhere. I’m excused becase I’ve been flyn high with back pain but I’m drug free today(except beer)
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Purvisman,
Having been a Raiders’ fan probably before you were born, and rooting for Blanda, Ben Davidson, etc., I feel extremely frustrated and ripped off by the organization. In the early and middle years the Raiders were great, of course.
But my time, money, and loyalty has been wasted over the past 28 yrs.
Of course Gruden came in and built a real team which took the spotlight away from AD, for which Gruden was fired. Subsequently AD hired Calahan who changed nothing up from Gruden’s tenure and we got shellacked in the Superbowl.
If AD had a brain left in his demented head, he would have hired Rich Gannon, last of the old throw backs as HC.
Last night AD’s dysfunction was demonstrated all over again; AD’s taint just won’t go away.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦ Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
[interview with high ranking football guy who asked that he not be named] Sept.10, 2012
? How do you feel about tonights Raiders?
A-Don’t get me started if you know whats best for you. Bury this game and move onto next week.
? Can the Raiders beat the Dophins?
A-If CP3 is allowed to conduct his own game, sure we can.
? Is it possible the Raiders can lose to the Dophins?
A-Yes, if knapp thinks he can game plan, then yes. It is very possible.
? Is it possible the Raider defense can contain Tannehill?
A-Absolutely. And it is going to be paramount that the D can put up scores if knapp is going to call plays.
? Is it likely knapp will be allowed to offense the game plan?
A-Anything is possible.
? Does McKenzie turn up the heat on Allen for the poor and sub-standard offensive performance Monday night, or does he go straight to knapp?
A-Smart money says he covertly brings Palmer and DMAC into his office and tells them to have a ‘plan B’.
? What will the plane ride home from Miami be like if the Raiders lose next Sunday?
A-There won’t be a plane ride home, but there will be one overcrowded greyhound bus with 53 players on it making there way back to Oakland.
? If the Raiders are in fact able to pull one off in Miami, what kind of credability will that lend to knapp and his WCO/ZBS?
A-Define what you mean by ‘pull one off’.
? You know, beat the Dophins.
A-Well that depends. Did Carson and DMAC go rogue and call there own game, does the defense return two or three interceptions for scores and hold Tannehill scoreless, does special teams score? There are a lot of variable alternatives to scoring here.
? Did the Raider D seem vastly improved on Monday night from a year ago?
A-Yes. But we have gone backwards offensively by leaps and bounds. We looked like a team trying to find its identity. A rudderless unit if you will. I mean com’on, expecting DMAC to carry us into the end zone when every one of the 11 defensive Chargers were keying his every step? They smelled he had the ball before he even broke the damn huddle.
? Losing Condo seem to be the key in losing Monday night. Would you agree?
A-Maybe. But a good team rebounds from setbacks like that. When Pastorini went down, Plunkett stepped right in and drove us to a Super Bowl victory against the Eagles. And he called his own plays mind you. We have an OC trying to impose a scheme that does not fit our players. Plunkett was a bright enough fellow and his game plan fit the personel he had. We game planned on the dark side of the moon last night. WCO and ZBS with Palmer? Really? And DMAC? Really?
? What will be the game plan going into Miami this week-end?
A-Like I said, the defensive unit MUST shut down Tannehill and the Dophins AND score. Special teams have to put a hurt on the Dophins, and if we want to score on offense, Palmer and DMAC and Co. must call their own game.
? What do you like the most about this years Raiders?
A-I’m still scratching my ass as to try and figure out why the hell knapp couldn’t adjust the 2nd half after he saw what San Diego was doin to his piece of crap WCO. I can’t get past that. If DMAC can’t hold up after the bye week, I’m gonna go pimp hand on someone. I mean, good grief man, if it aint workin, do something different. How many times did we go negative yardage. Where were our yards after catch. We were nothing on offense, nothing.
? Will you be at the game?
A-Yes, I’ll be there, but I’ll be hog-tied and chained to my chair. Cuz if I ain’t, and I see that inept WCO/ZBS bullshіt goin on, I just might go down to the field and piss up someones ass.
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Absolutely BRILLIANT and spot on. My sentiments exactly!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
338:
Great post! Devoid of the worshiping crappola: love and accept the Raiders no matter what.
Nonsense!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
DJ, I’m trying to buoy you up(how often you get to put two words together with the uo ou thing happening?) Just don’t like seeing you get this down on what wasn’t THAT bad of a game that I didn’t get to see the second half of because of a major faux pas by my better half.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Purvisman,
Having been a Raiders’ fan probably before you were born, and rooting for Blanda, Ben Davidson, etc., I feel extremely frustrated and ripped off by the organization. In the early and middle years the Raiders were great, of course.
But my time, money, and loyalty has been wasted over the past 28 yrs.
Of course Gruden came in and built a real team which took the spotlight away from AD, for which Gruden was fired. Subsequently AD hired Calahan who changed nothing up from Gruden’s tenure and we got shellacked in the Superbowl.
If AD had a brain left in his demented head, he would have hired Rich Gannon, last of the old throw backs as HC.
Last night AD’s dysfunction was demonstrated all over again; AD’s taint just won’t go awa//////////blah, blah, blah…same schtick eh $$man
September 11th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
*Raiderman99
*R8eray
*Dakota
*DJ Johnny
*Oakfoshow
*Guest123
*TxRaider210
*Turducken
*Johnnylama
*Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)
*RaiderDuck
*DutchRaider77
*exlaraiderseasonticketholder
*The Big Banana
*Walrushooker
*Klas Tjorborn
*IndianaRaider
*bigfoot
*DKnight007
*DMAC
*JT
*NYRaider
*JohnnyRaider
*eastoaklandraider
*gtown1_sj
*El Gato Negro
*R8er Mike
*Raiderbuck
*Dan78
*daraider09
*realtruraider
*chuck
*nwr8r
*boss01
*Mr Green
*CODEBLACK2011
*303Raider
*redshirt
*94720Raider
Dennis Allen buddy coaching system cannot be allowed to derail our season! Greg Knapp’s body of work in recent years has not EARNED him the OC position over Saunders. He was GIFTED it by Dennis Allen.
Allen needs to correct this travesty by forcing Knapp to implement a scheme that is suited to the talents of our players and not Knapp’s ego!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I don’t have an issue with that call there. You take the points. Completely demoralizing if we had gone for it and got stuffed.
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Why not make it, and fire up your team?
September 11th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Purvisman,
Having been a Raiders’ fan probably before you were born, and rooting for Blanda, Ben Davidson, etc., I feel extremely frustrated and ripped off by the organization. In the early and middle years the Raiders were great, of course.
But my time, money, and loyalty has been wasted over the past 28 yrs.
Of course Gruden came in and built a real team which took the spotlight away from AD, for which Gruden was fired. Subsequently AD hired Calahan who changed nothing up from Gruden’s tenure and we got shellacked in the Superbowl.
If AD had a brain left in his demented head, he would have hired Rich Gannon, last of the old throw backs as HC.
Last night AD’s dysfunction was demonstrated all over again; AD’s taint just won’t go away.
************
sullivan never stops! it’s 28 years now! hahahahahahaha! and then he talks about gruden. and never says mentions how good the shell years in ’90s were.
and this is the best part: Al Davis is dead, the team has been completely overhauled, and AD is STILL to blame because of his “stench”!!!
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
MORON!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Purvisman,
But my time, money, and loyalty has been wasted over the past 28 yrs.
*****************
then go the fuk away loser!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
The funny thing is many, many posters discounted, disclaimed and bemoaned the hiring of Knapp. I was on the fence since I didn’t know his history. Those posters predicted the result of hiring Knapp 100%: pure failure; Of course the real blame falls on DA and Reggie for hiring him.
Even Corky was stupid enough to be fooled by Knapp saying “he’s an extremely bright man.”
Knapp should be run out of town tomorrow, and if Reggie and DA don’t get it together in a very short period of time they should be fired too, due to sheer stupidity.
Reggie speaks this weird semi-ghetto slanguage while DA ends every sentence with a preposition: “That is where we are “at”.
Just their language use demonstrates these guys are morons.
Hire Rich Gannon as HC and bring back Gruden as GM.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
dr_robert,
Crawl back under the rock from whence you slithered, loser, and dine on some green slimy thing, such as a toad, closely resembling yourself.
Brainless worshiper!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
dr_robert,
“and this is the best part: Al Davis is dead, the team has been completely overhauled, and AD is STILL to blame because of his “stench”!!!”
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“completely overhauled”? You are talking about overhauled for the worse, right genius?
September 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Dr. robert/rob_raider I’ve been on your case lately and I’m sure some of it was justified (mainly because I like myself) but I also agreed with some of your banned names missives. long way to a quick point, I was usually first in identifying the sullen1, but drug addled as I was, the golden jew snuck by. Say Hi MR.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
raidersone/sullivan
i’m a worshiper? hahahahahaha!!! i say it exactly how it is. u think al davis had to with last night’s loss and spend ALL ur time on a blog of a team u hate. u have SERIOUS fuking problems. serious fuking problems.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
That would be you raideroneMRSuullivAlex7
September 11th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Man, when I’m taking 7 vicadins a day even sully can keep up. But I’m better now and the golden jew is busted.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
*Raiderman99
*R8eray
*Dakota
*DJ Johnny
*Oakfoshow
*Guest123
*TxRaider210
*Turducken
*Johnnylama
*Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)
*RaiderDuck
*DutchRaider77
*exlaraiderseasonticketholder
*The Big Banana
*Walrushooker
*Klas Tjorborn
*IndianaRaider
*bigfoot
*DKnight007
*DMAC
*JT
*NYRaider
*JohnnyRaider
*eastoaklandraider
*gtown1_sj
*El Gato Negro
*R8er Mike
*Raiderbuck
*Dan78
*daraider09
*realtruraider
*chuck
*nwr8r
*boss01
*Mr Green
*CODEBLACK2011
*303Raider
*redshirt
*94720Raider
56 names in one day! Excellent! Can we get it to 100???
September 11th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
That would be you raideroneMRSuullivAlex7
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Purvis,
Who is this “Mr” everyone keeps trying to identify? One thing for sure, he is not me.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
ArmChair GM
Put my name on that petition, ArmChair.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Dr. robert/rob_raider I’ve been on your case lately and I’m sure some of it was justified (mainly because I like myself) but I also agreed with some of your banned names missives. long way to a quick point, I was usually first in identifying the sullen1, but drug addled as I was, the golden jew snuck by. Say Hi MR.
360.dr_robert Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
raidersone/sullivan
i’m a worshiper? hahahahahaha!!! i say it exactly how it is. u think al davis had to with last night’s loss and spend ALL ur time on a blog of a team u hate. u have SERIOUS fuking problems. serious fuking problems.
361.purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
That would be you raideroneMRSuullivAlex7
362.purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Man, when I’m taking 7 vicadins a day even sully can keep up. But I’m better now and the golden jew is busted.
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
dr_robert,
Crawl back under the rock from whence you slithered, loser, and dine on some green slimy thing, such as a toad, closely resembling yourself.
Brainless worshiper!
358.RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
dr_robert,
“and this is the best part: Al Davis is dead, the team has been completely overhauled, and AD is STILL to blame because of his “stench”!!!”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
“completely overhauled”? You are talking about overhauled for the worse, right genius?
359.purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Dr. robert/rob_raider I’ve been on your case lately and I’m sure some of it was justified (mainly because I like myself) but I also agreed with some of your banned names missives. long way to a quick point, I was usually first in identifying the sullen1, but drug addled as I was, the golden jew snuck by. Say Hi MR.
dr_robert Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Purvisman,
Having been a Raiders’ fan probably before you were born, and rooting for Blanda, Ben Davidson, etc., I feel extremely frustrated and ripped off by the organization. In the early and middle years the Raiders were great, of course.
But my time, money, and loyalty has been wasted over the past 28 yrs.
Of course Gruden came in and built a real team which took the spotlight away from AD, for which Gruden was fired. Subsequently AD hired Calahan who changed nothing up from Gruden’s tenure and we got shellacked in the Superbowl.
If AD had a brain left in his demented head, he would have hired Rich Gannon, last of the old throw backs as HC.
Last night AD’s dysfunction was demonstrated all over again; AD’s taint just won’t go away.
************
sullivan never stops! it’s 28 years now! hahahahahahaha! and then he talks about gruden. and never says mentions how good the shell years in ’90s were.
and this is the best part: Al Davis is dead, the team has been completely overhauled, and AD is STILL to blame because of his “stench”!!!
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
MORON!!!!
dr_robert Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Purvisman,
But my time, money, and loyalty has been wasted over the past 28 yrs.
*****************
then go the fuk away loser!
KoolKell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I don’t have an issue with that call there. You take the points. Completely demoralizing if we had gone for it and got stuffed.
————————–
Why not make it, and fire up your team?
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ROTFFLMFAO!!!!!!!!
LMMFAO!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
dr_robert,
“and this is the best part: Al Davis is dead, the team has been completely overhauled, and AD is STILL to blame because of his “stench”!!!”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
“completely overhauled”? You are talking about overhauled for the worse, right genius?
********************
let’s say it was. but that wouldn’t have to with AD anymore would it? but u just can’t let it go. over and over and over and over. u have been on here for years just saying it over and over again. ur actually worse than beeech. he’s an idiot and he repeats himself ad nauseum but at least he thinks he’s having fun. ur a hateful, spiteful azz who tries his best for hours per day to make everyone unhappy. dick head.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Gots to go outside again. Should upgrade my tech so I could have it outside. No, that’s a bad idea. And I can, albeit less interactively.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
dr_robert,
Thank you for the presumption that I spend all my time on this blog. Incorrect, as per usual.
I do think AD asserts dead hand control over the team, a type of psychological hangover of his past 10 yrs of dementia that the staff can’t seem to shake.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
*Raiderman99
*R8eray
*Dakota
*DJ Johnny
*Oakfoshow
*Guest123
*TxRaider210
*Turducken
*Johnnylama
*Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)
*RaiderDuck
*DutchRaider77
*exlaraiderseasonticketholder
*The Big Banana
*Walrushooker
*Klas Tjorborn
*IndianaRaider
*bigfoot
*DKnight007
*DMAC
*JT
*NYRaider
*JohnnyRaider
*eastoaklandraider
*gtown1_sj
*El Gato Negro
*R8er Mike
*Raiderbuck
*Dan78
*daraider09
*realtruraider
*chuck
*nwr8r
*boss01
*Mr Green
*CODEBLACK2011
*303Raider
*redshirt
*94720Raider
*RaidersOne
September 11th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Colonel sanders, did you hijack this blog? major props. I’m going outside into the beautiful night now. You have fun’ya’hear.
September 11th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
purvisman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Colonel sanders, did you hijack this blog? major props. I’m going outside into the beautiful night now. You have fun’ya’hear.
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Just crackin up. Your allright. You have a good evening under the sky too.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:03 am
I am with you guys who want Knapp fired but I want to ask what’s his main shortcoming ?
I believe what really stall our drives and make us have miscues is we are like kinda slow to get calls in and don’t get out of huddle in time to switch plays before the snap , we also need to get in some no huddle plays here and there , just believe that in this age of offenses vs Defenses, only teams who are successful are the 1’s who are more uptempo and can run pretty good no huddles ..
If we can just get better in that department and also call some better plays , we should be fine
September 12th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Dink & Dunk.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:05 am
I just hate the guy is little more passive when things don’t go right like the fumble on that reverse , he never called anymore trickeries
September 12th, 2012 at 12:06 am
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
*Raiderman99
*R8eray
*Dakota
*DJ Johnny
*Oakfoshow
*Guest123
*TxRaider210
*Turducken
*Johnnylama
*Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)
*RaiderDuck
*DutchRaider77
*exlaraiderseasonticketholder
*The Big Banana
*Walrushooker
*Klas Tjorborn
*IndianaRaider
*bigfoot
*DKnight007
*DMAC
*JT
*NYRaider
*JohnnyRaider
*eastoaklandraider
*gtown1_sj
*El Gato Negro
*R8er Mike
*Raiderbuck
*Dan78
*daraider09
*realtruraider
*chuck
*nwr8r
*boss01
*Mr Green
*CODEBLACK2011
*303Raider
*redshirt
*94720Raider
*RaidersOne
Last season the Raiders were Top 10 in scoring with Al Saunders as the OC.
Mysteriously Dennis Allen used the Reggie Mckenzie mantra of bringing “HIS GUY” to run the offense and demoted Al Saunders in arguably the most head scratching move of the off season.
The problem with Dennis Allen’s “GUY” is that he wasn’t even an OC in Texas. He was the QB’s coach. He wanted to implement a West Coast offense along with a Zone Blocking scheme, even though this does not represent the BEST scheme for the skill set of our key players!
Just a little bit of research would have revealed that DMAC had his best season when the coaches approached him and developed a scheme based around his unique strengths and skill sets.
Why demote Saunders but keep him around when he and Knapp run a completely different offense???
Saunders must be reinstated as the primary play caller and Knapp should slowly integrate his idea as we acquire the key players suited for this system.
To completely change the offense during the off season considering our salary and personnel limitations was completely irrational, hasty, and irresponsible!
The Raider Nation will not suffer in silence while watching our franchise players play and risk injury while using a scheme that sets them up to be ineffective!
DMAC got 2.1 yards per carry!! He is the best back in the league when he’s healthy! Greg Knapp are you kidding me?!?!?
September 12th, 2012 at 12:07 am
I think these kinda things are fixable, I dont believe there is too much wrong with his Playbook , just need to keep being aggressive and get to the line with enough time left on play clock to audible and etc
September 12th, 2012 at 12:10 am
You have to run so many plays successfully just to get into FG range. No power at the goal line………after 10 minutes, you come away with a FG. The other team scores a TD, and you start the laborious schit all over again.
Gnite Gents.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:10 am
Greg Knapp’s offense illustrated…
http://thedivineinvitation.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/square-peg-round-hole1.jpg
September 12th, 2012 at 12:11 am
I also believe having 2 inexperienced receivers and 1 guy who we just picked off the street 5 days before the game ,had to do a lot with the play calling, and they were just not getting open most of the time.. We all know Palmer is not a dink and dunk kinda guy… Those route trees can’t be that bad..I just believe the play of our receivers and other stuff had a lot to do with how the game went… But you could see this team is very confident and they know ..they just got to tinker here and there to be a pretty good team
September 12th, 2012 at 12:13 am
colonel sanders, we are the only ones having fun. You think?
September 12th, 2012 at 12:15 am
#338 great interview…
September 12th, 2012 at 12:16 am
You guys need to stop overreacting too much after 1 games let’s give the guy atleast 1 more week ….there are many good things to take away from the game as well as bad things but good things are far and more than the bad things
September 12th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Miami is not going to be a pushover next Sunday. Their D is playing well. Our O isn’t that’s a bad combination. It could very well end up being the 1st 0-0 game in OT. DA has to get by the friendship thing and make it clear to Knapp top make it work or else. If our O doesn’t do well next Sunday, Knapp must be demoted back to QB coach and Saunders elevated to OC & given the green light to make whatever changes necessary, including hiring back last years O-line coach who I believe is available. Everything will live & die by the performance of our O-line. BTW, Brisel, our BIG FA signing, is really a weak link. He either steps up or gets relegated to the bench.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:28 am
RaidersOne Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
dr_robert,
Thank you for the presumption that I spend all my time on this blog. Incorrect, as per usual.
I do think AD asserts dead hand control over the team, a type of psychological hangover of his past 10 yrs of dementia that the staff can’t seem to shake.
*******************
hahahahahahahhahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahhahahahhahahahhahhahhahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahhahahahhahahhahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it’s all al davis operating from beyond!
hahhahahahhahahahhahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ur brain needs fixing!
September 12th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Knapp will open it up this Sunday. We’ll have Moore back, and no doubt DA has had some very frank discussions about how much the offensive playcalling sucked. Knapp’s not an idiot, and knows that if he fails with this offense, he can kiss NFL coordinator jobs goodbye forever.
DA was also given complete freedom to hire his assistants and everybody knows this. Knapp’s shortcomings fall directly onto our head coach who is, by all accounts, a very bright guy. Something WILL give. Either Knapp gets his head out of his culo or Saunders/Holz/CP/DA himself will take over the offensive playcalling, and Knapp goes back to being somebody’s QB coach next year.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:33 am
JB Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 12:27 am
If our O doesn’t do well next Sunday, Knapp must be demoted back to QB coach and Saunders elevated to OC & given the green light to make whatever changes necessary, including hiring back last years O-line coach who I believe is available. Everything will live & die by the performance of our O-line. BTW, Brisel, our BIG FA signing, is really a weak link. He either steps up or gets relegated to the bench.
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Brisiel has been a disappointment so far.
We wouldn’t demote Knapp to QB coach officially. Saunders (or whoever) would simply take over the playcalling, and it probably wouldn’t even be announced officially.
And Wylie is NOT coming back this year. What could he do? Training camp has come and gone, and we’re running the ZBS this season. Hopefully, it’ll come together.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Duck, we’ve got the O-line players who know the power blocking ways from last year. I have to believe that moving back to last years offense might be a little tough but not impossible. It would just be doing what they did last year fairly well. It would be better than getting our asses kicked every week. There’s rally no one new on our offense (starters), except for Brisel, that wasn’t here last year. They should be able to adapt.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:43 am
We ran a hybrid ZBS/power blocking scheme last year. Wylie could deal with it if he wanted to.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:43 am
JB Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Duck, we’ve got the O-line players who know the power blocking ways from last year. I have to believe that moving back to last years offense might be a little tough but not impossible. It would just be doing what they did last year fairly well. It would be better than getting our asses kicked every week. There’s rally no one new on our offense (starters), except for Brisel, that wasn’t here last year. They should be able to adapt.
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Amen JB. My thoughts exactly!
September 12th, 2012 at 12:48 am
If need be move Carlisle back to ORG, slip Wiz back to OLG. That should strengthen up the middle. Trade Brisel back to Texas for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. They’d probably give that for him as he worked OK in their system & was thought of very highly. He was no doubt a Knapp recommendation. That says it all.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:53 am
DA broke the golden rule: Don’t lend friends money or hire them to work for you. That’s bad news when it happens. DA probably listened to Knapp and got sold on the WCO/ZBS. He’s a D coach so what do you expect from him. His friend sold him a bill of goods and now he’s going to have to make some tough decisions because it’s ultimately his ass on the block when it’s all said and done. DA better fix this problem sooner than later. The longer it goes on the harder it is to fix.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:22 am
Armchair GM: please stop. I really got the point the first couple of posts or so.
Pity NFL does not have a minor league system to call players up from. Even basketball does.
Pity the Raiders can’t just call up the next in line player from Sacramento like the A’s do.
We will see if Cork is right about the Raiders signing Condo. There is certainly room on the squad now. More than just the long snapper, how does an NFL team enter the season with not enough receivers and noone to field kickoffs and punts? Good grief.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:24 am
Clearly some folks are overwhelmed. Maybe Mr. Madden can provide a short course on organization and filling out the team positions.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:29 am
qodrn1 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 1:22 am
Armchair GM: please stop. I really got the point the first couple of posts or so.
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Can’t Stop. Won’t Stop. Until the job is done, namely changes on the offense for the betterment of our team. If you don’t like it, you can scroll past it.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:29 am
::Knapp is Wack::
Put me on that list boyz!
September 12th, 2012 at 1:31 am
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
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September 12th, 2012 at 1:49 am
Knapp’s not an idiot, and knows that if he fails with this offense, he can kiss NFL coordinator jobs goodbye forever.
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Krapp IS an idiot. He’s failed before and still managed to land this job, right ? After he fails here AGAIN, he’ll just move on to another team (in some capacity) and fail there as well. Hard to believe, but true.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:50 am
I think, for the interim, that we should use the old Manning/Tom Moore school of offensive play calling. Specifically, Tom Moore would suggest a play or two but Manning could call whatever he wanted to based on what he was seeing. Palmer has been around long enough & certainly is smart enough to call his own plays too. Let’s get back to the days of old when QB were allowed to think & call a game on their own. Somehow, I don’t think Palmer would be calling the crap we’ve been seeing. He’s making some big bucks, let’s let him bail us out of this current predicament.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:54 am
Let’s start a new poll: What would you prefer to see from Palmer:
The Gun-slinger – More bombs/TD’s & INT’s or
• JB
The pea shooter – dink & dunk playing it safe
September 12th, 2012 at 2:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Did you guys panic like this after Hue’s first game as OC in Tennesse?
Because that game was worse than this game fron Knapp.
After 1 game, we are AHEAD OF THE PACE OF THE 2010 OFFENSE.
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LOL. My friend, I think all that diet rootbeer is rotting your brain.
There’s a huge distinction between the debacle in Tennessee and last night’s travesty.
That would be JC. On the road. Pissing his pants. Tipping the snap. Taking a knee. Sliding short.
Here’s the important thing that I’m surprised you missed:
Through all the abysmal play by JC, you always had the feeling that with better QB play this offense could click.
You had the feeling the offense was fundamentally sound but was failing due to JC’s lamentable shortcomings. We’d moan about his checkdowns, but also suspected he couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to complete passes downfield. JC deservedly got benched.
Contrast that to our present Krapp dilemma. Krapp’s system actually emphasizes the checkdown and short passes. He stretches the field horizontally instead of vertically. To the point of absurdity. Had to laugh when it took until the 3rd qtr for the Raids to have a pass completion longer than 15 yards.
I’m going to say this for a final time and then be done with the subject.
Krapp’s system sucks. He’s a POS play caller, to boot. Those 2 yard completions on 3rd and 3 are not anomalies. If he does make a decent play call (like the reverse to Taiwan), it’s not executed properly. The offense is not sharp. The tempo stinks. The no huddle appears non-existent. The time management at the end of a half or game is lousy. There is no urgency.
Krapp sucks at every level. He was a terrible hire. He’s already set back the offense and things will not improve with him as coordinator.
As pissed off and disappointed as I have been with 55, I always harbored some hope that he could redeem himself. Can thoroughly understand your Slo-mania and get a kick out of it.
There is no hope with Krapp. The Krapp situation is analagous to the JaMoron situation. He’s got to go. It’s unavoidable if the Raids are to have offensive success.
September 12th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] the biggest hurdle in Dennis Allen’s quest for a playoff birth. Well, as fate wou more… Bartell set to miss significant time, too – ibabuzz.com 09/12/2012 Raiders coach Dennis Allen said earlier today that wide recevier [...]
September 12th, 2012 at 4:05 am
I’d like to place Ford & Bartell on I.R.
Even after they come back after missing “significant” time, how long will it take them to get back into game shape??
Plus – Bartell got abused in preseason & Week 1. I dont think the neck injury is the only thing that scared 31 other teams away #overrated
Same with Ford. He had one outstanding game as a receiver (versus the Chiefs with JC at QB) when he was a rookie 2 years ago. other than that, he’s an outstanding kick returner who fumbles a lot and is injury prone
sign Jabar Gaffney & Chris Carr.
Johnnie Lee Higgins & Andre Goodman would also be solid options imo
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 am
Morning Nation
CODE SIGN PLAX
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 am
KR/DB Justin Miller & Rock Cartwright would also be solid adds imo
September 12th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Attn: Reggie
let me make this easy for you
Ford – I.R.
Bartell – I.R.
Goodson – cut
Gaffney, Miller (or Carr) & Cartwright = welcome to Oakland!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 am
#404
Well, I’d rather have Plaxico Burress than Chad Johnson!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:19 am
99,
our offensive line sucks. thats the reason for all the check downs. Palmer had no time to throw and our running game was non-existant
Wylie performed a miracle with those clowns last year and instead of being rewarded for it, he was shown the door
September 12th, 2012 at 4:21 am
I’m actually glad to see Palmer check down rather than take a sack or make an errant ill-advised throw
Palmer has great pocket awareness. Barnes almst got him killed though – 3 sacks allowed in the second half
September 12th, 2012 at 4:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 am
#404
Well, I’d rather have Plaxico Burress than Chad Johnson!
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Yes, we need a legit red zone threat. Plax had 8 TDs last year. That is more than DHB (6), Hagan (6) have in there whole career
September 12th, 2012 at 5:45 am
RM99,
Even the at times awfulness of Knapp, can’t stem the tide of Slo-Mania brother.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Hey Dodger fans, I guess a quarter of a billion dollars just doesn’t get you what it used to does it?
September 12th, 2012 at 5:54 am
has krapp been fired yet?
September 12th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Hey Dodger fans, I guess a quarter of a billion dollars just doesn’t get you what it used to does it?
Haha! But 250K, and look!
September 12th, 2012 at 6:03 am
Has anyone got signed yet?
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:54 am
has krapp been fired yet?
September 12th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Knapp isn’t going to get fired, even if this team loses it’s first 10 games.
So might as well drop that nonsense.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:16 am
I’ve never understood why a center can’t do the long snapping on punts. How fvcking hard is it to fling the ball a little harder than when the QB is in shotgun?
Still disgusted from that “performance”.
Have a good week nation, hopefully we leave Miami 1-1.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:19 am
406.RaiderRockstar Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Attn: Reggie
let me make this easy for you
Ford – I.R.
Bartell – I.R.
Goodson – cut
Gaffney, Carr & Cartwright = welcome to Oakland!
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Co-signed. (I think Miller is with the Lions)
September 12th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Why would we cut Goodson?
Didn’t you guys watch Taiwan play on Monday? He isn’t ready to be anything other than a trick play guy, and Darren was worn out by halfway through the 3rd quarter.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Whats A Drexl? Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
The sky is falling,,,, the sky is falling,,,
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Better add Armeggedon to it also as long as we have Knapp as our OC. This guy is so out of touch,,,where is the NO HUDDLE??? He calls plays as if we have all the time in the world to score. I predict that the play-calling will be taken away from him. Otherwise we may only win 5 Games!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 6:35 am
END LAST SEASON AND START THIS ONE JUST ABOUT THE SAME WAY.AND AGAINST THE SAME TEAM TO…
September 12th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Hue Jackson still has the best Raider win % since Jon Gruden until further notice.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Greg Knapp going out for breakfast:
Waitress:(4th trip to his table) Have you decided?
Knapp: I’ll take the hungry man’s with coffee and juice.
On second thought hold the coffee, it makes me a little aggressive.
You know what, I better just have the ham, no bacon or sausage.
Knapp mumbling to himself… something about doctors and cholesteral.
I think I’ll just have egg whites with whole wheat toast, no butter. Oh and cancel the ham as well. With a glass of water instead of the juice, the sugar… can make me aggressive.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:40 am
HALL OF FAME LOCK THAT HUE JACKSON…
September 12th, 2012 at 6:41 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:40 am
HALL OF FAME LOCK THAT HUE JACKSON…
LOL
September 12th, 2012 at 6:44 am
If u watch that postgame with DA u can tell he is NOT a guy who’s gonna get too excited..either way.
He has got every single coaching cliche down pat.
“Get better every day” etc. etc. etc.
He’s no Rex Ryan that’s for sure.
What I don’t like is him saying everything is so good.
He’ll give u nothing in regard to him being upset or disappointed. In fact, he’s probably the first coach i’ve heard who doesn’t even say he’s “disappointed”.
I expected him to say “Well obviously we’re disappointed”. He didn’t even say that.
That’s fine. Just win I don’t care. Problem is he didn’t do that either.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Thought u guys would get a kick out of the Hue win % thing.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I want my head coach to say:
“I am so pizzed off at this pos team that i am going to take every single goofball that messed up tonight and put em in front of a firing squad. Let me say this emphatically people…this is BULL***t! and if it continues next week agaisnt Miami there’s gonna be some overpaid s**t heads who are gonna be looking for another team to steal money from cuz that ain’t happening here ok?”
It’d just be kinda fun to see.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:54 am
I would sign your petition 100 times to get rid of krapp, but you’d better believe it will be futile. Just the same as last season, with the Nation trying to get rid of Breshnahan. Although, I believe we would probably have a better chance with HueSux getting rid of Chcuk B than with BigMac getting rid of krappy.
I really believe looking at what BigMac did after taking over the team, that he was ordered to shop at the bargain outlet for the cheapest coaches and second-tier players. At least that’s what I read when reports say the Raiders lost a bunch of money last season, and Mark and Amy are looking to get back and make a profit.
It’s also true that most of the new signed FAs come with a one year stop-gap plan, so I’m sure that next year we would probably see upgrades and go for first-tier FAs, at least we hope so. As I said in the off-season, really now, can you be excited about Lee, Bartell, Spencer, Briesel, Goodson, Tollefson, Hagan? Wheeler? OK, he seems to be all over the field, but no one will ever mistake him for Clay Mathews, Wheeler could be serviceable probably, but did you see him trying to hold on to Gates for dear life.
Also, with BigMac drafting after the fourth round, he did find some solid players like Burris and possibly Criner, but nothing out of this world. Time will tell, though.
Of course, krapp is all of that plus a worthless moron, Allen is an overwhelmed rookie coach that will probably continue to make blunders, but don’t expect him to fire or demote krapp. However, at the bottom line of all of this debacle is that the financial situation that the Raiders are currently in, will not allowed them to get whatever high profile WRs or players who are available, I believe.
But, unless Monday night’s game was a travesty and the Raiders are much better than they showed and start winning, I just can’t see the Nation supporting another krappy season, however if there are masochistic fans in the NFL, we rank high on that chart.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Greg Knapp gets a lot of criticism for his overly conservative playcalls and lack of plan to make field adjustments to the chess match the opposing DC is running. Deservedly so, and that’s enough for me to endorse his quick ousting, before we let the season get away.
Thing is, the defense has improved by leaps and bounds from last year and what a shame to see the offense regress to JaMarcus Russell type ineffectiveness. We are once again offensively the laughing stock of the league. It only gets worse from here if we don’t have a change of offensive coordinator. It needs to happen now. It’s not a knee jerk reaction. It’s isolating a huge flaw that other teams will no doubt use against us mercilessly. Knapp is taking a team capable of playing at 140 IQ level and dropping them down to about 80 IQ. It’s that serious. It belongs to one man, Knapp. He owns this debacle.
To illustrate this further, look at the confidence (or lack thereof) of Carson Palmer to look downfield and constantly checkdown to DMC. It’s apparent that he doesn’t trust his receivers to make a play in tight windows. He’s a gunslinger and the checkdown charlie role does not play to his strength. He is not in position to make plays nor is he willing to trust his downfield threats to make a play. This offense looks erratic, poorly planned, poorly executed. It looks slow, grinding, labored, and is like taking a Ferrari out on the track and gunning it while stuck in second gear. Knapp is clueless as a coordinator and the keys to the Ferrari need to be taken from him by force and at the very least playcalling duties stripped. Very very bad hire.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:00 am
..but would it be that big of a deal just to quietly take play calling duties away from Knapp?
They don’t even have to announce it..just do it and put Knapp up in the booth…or better yet keep him onn the sideline to keep the appearence that he’s still doing something and have Saunders call down the plays.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Is Chris Johnson still out there for us to sign?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Zopi he look good against gates if ya ask me…
I think he was 3 for 3 on gates(even tho he held on one)but he also had a nice break up and held him short on a big 3rd down!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:03 am
This Miami game is quickly becoming a must win. Unlike baseball where u can lose a few in a row and still be dominant and not worry, each game in NFL accounts for 10 games in baseball so if u lose a game it’s like losing 10 games comparatively so each game is obviously big.
If we’re 0-2 with Pitt and Denver coming up?
We could be out of this early.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:04 am
The Reggime is going to have their share of mistakes along the way. But Knapp was one they should have diagnosed before the 3rd preseason game. It’s nothing new to say the offense has underwhelmed. People kept saying that it was only preseason and the offensive scheme was pure vanilla. That the real offense would be unleased in regular season games. Well prepare yourselves for upcoming migraine headaches as we turn into the lowest scoring team in the league, making crap defenses look like the Baltimore Ravens.
The Reggime made a mistake. I hope they own up to it and move on. Everyone gets a mulligan. Please don’t make this season a historically bad one by not accepting the mistake, and make Raider Nation suffer the consequences.
Fire Knapp Now!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Talking about Wheeler!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:09 am
435,
Well said Guest.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:10 am
I know that there a lot of other Raider fans out there who are upset about this game. I wish I could flip a switch and not worry or care so much about the Raiders winning or losing. But it hurts deep down. Physical pain, headaches, naseau, etc. I go through torment watching bad Raider football. I can live with being the lesser team if we play fast, aggressive, disciplined Raider ball. But when we suck and look like clowns in the process, it ruins my day and even my week. Yes I care way too much. Raiders football is deep in my veins and I am infected with the disease and I wish I could find a cure. It’s just one game, I’m not mad about being 0-1. It’s not that. It’s the way we lost and could have won if we had an effective offensive coordinator. It’s his job to get the offense out of its tailspin, but he just watches the thing nosedive into the ground and burn. It’s torture to watch.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:12 am
We need something good to happen to us today..or soon.
Some good news we can latch on to.
Give us something…
We deserve it.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Mornin’ Nation. Had to take all day yesterday off to get over a DISGUSTING loss. Straight up, guys like DJ Johnny and others were right to be concerned and I was way off base.
Of all the disappointments, Matt Shaughnessy was my biggest in a way. Yeah he got that 1 sack but Rivers stepped up in the pocket and walked right into him. We’ve been told “Man, Shaughnessy is a BEAST he’s gonna break out” for a couple years now. Well this was his chance–Monday night against a UDFA rookie left tackle–and he couldn’t do sch!t. He might be a good run defender, but that seems to be all.
I’m not going to say anything about the ZBS because I’m sure it’s been said already. Way to waste the best running back in the NFL, Knapp. McFadden is a waste in this system.
Barnes and Carlisle were horror shows and Brisiel seemed like a good signing but looks like a free agent bust.
There was a lot that was encouraging in this game–the run defense, the LB corps looked great, Palmer made smart decisions, DHB keeps looking better, Veldheer was solid–but I won’t let myself fall into the lullaby that if Condo had been healthy the game would’ve turned out differently.
The defensive line is HORRIBLY overrated and the offensive co-ordinator is a complete boob. Neither one of those can be fixed until the off-season unfortunately. This is, at best, another 8-8 team. Sucks, because I had such high hopes. You’d think I’d have learned better by now
September 12th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Monday night guys was bad, yes we all expected more. But I am one to take away the positives of the bad!
One, after the D gave up that TD, we held them to 4 FG’s, and it wasn’t like they weren’t trying to run up the score! Yes, drops here and there, but….
And 20 carries for 32 yards? Not sure if that is also with the 11 yard reverse, but still…
The offense did move the ball down field but stalled everytime. Hopefully DA and the crew gets this fixed right away! We MUST win in Miami!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:15 am
LMAO, Carl Weathers @ #423, that was perfect.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Tarver looks like the real deal. He needs to take snaps away from Seymour and Kelly and give them to Bryant, though.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Is Chris Johnson still out there for us to sign?
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Come on Dakota, thats puttin a bandaid on a gunshot wound!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18 am
In 2 games vs San Diego last year, this offense averaged 504 yards and 25 ppg, both without McFadden.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18 am
438, Again..nice post. I’m with ya. I think alot of us are.
After seeing that carnival of crap Mon. nite it was disheartening to say the least.
Raiders never fail to come up with new and inventive ways to lose games…Never saw this long snapper crap coming as a new way to lose.
Seeing DMAC only get 2 yds. a carry was something I didn’t see coming either.
This Knapp thing seems obvious and glaring.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:03 am
This Miami game is quickly becoming a must win. Unlike baseball where u can lose a few in a row and still be dominant and not worry, each game in NFL accounts for 10 games in baseball so if u lose a game it’s like losing 10 games comparatively so each game is obviously big.
If we’re 0-2 with Pitt and Denver coming up?
We could be out of this early.
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How is 1-3 that much diff than 0-4? This team is not ready to compete and is boring to watch in the process. There is absolutely nothing to get excited about.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18 am
There’s no FA corners worth signing out there that I’m aware of. A trade needs to go down or Chekwa needs signed to the active roster and Pat Lee becomes next man up. (Less concerned about that than you might think, he quietly did well on Monday)
September 12th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I guess if the JaMarcus Russell years weren’t so recent, the wounds still fresh, I wouldn’t be as sensitive as I am. But this offense has the inept, un-choreographed look that reminds me of those years. We can’t score TD’s until the defense gives them to us in garbage time. If that’s the type of team we are to expect offensively, and if that is the plan, it’s time to chop heads. The team that played on Monday was a team that you can envision being a first pick in the draft type team. It’s sad, because this team’s personnel, while not being superbowl contender worthy, is much better than that. The offense is being run by a very small mind and he is overwhelmed in his duty.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:19 am
That is the thing Bob…how many times did McFadden carry the ball? Run and catch combined? They announced that he broke a record for receptions by a running back…
September 12th, 2012 at 7:21 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:40 am
HALL OF FAME LOCK THAT HUE JACKSON…
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He’s better than K-N-A-P-P. Known Now As Pathetic PlayCaller
September 12th, 2012 at 7:24 am
This clown SkipBasless iz a Sap(GoodForTvTho)
September 12th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Chimdi Chekwa come on up!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Can Moore returning to the starting lineup open up the run game and give us a deep threat?
Was the gameplan Monday put in place just because of the lack of experience at the WR position? Will it be the norm?
I have to believe things will improve and that Knapp (even though most of us dreaded his return) will open things up a little with our #1 WR coming back, hopefully in Miami.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:31 am
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
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September 12th, 2012 at 7:31 am
446. DJ Johnny, I hear you. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who feel this way.
I know that there are some very good posters who give reasonable arguments not to overreact, and to trust in Reggie’s plan. I’ve been on-board for the most part, and I don’t expect immediate results. It may even be a transition year. But I expected at the very least incremental improvement on what Hue and Saunders put together last year. Especially with Palmer and a healthy McFadden FINALLY getting to play on the same field. But that was a cliff dive of regression and the only comparison I can think of are the dark years of #2 at QB. It has me very upset right now and it’s hard to shake the anguish.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:32 am
So are the kool aid drunks done blowing smoke up our azzes today?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:33 am
“We just go with the offense, however the offense is called that’s how we roll,” McFadden said.
Usually, players who trust their Coaching will go out of their way to place the blame on themselves after a bad outing, you will often hear something along the lines of “we just didn’t execute”.
Not this time.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Has everybody figured out reggies rebuilding?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:36 am
With 2 dedicated McFadden shadowers and 11 guys keying on him the entire second half, what is McFadden going to say about the offensive gameplan? That it’s his fault in executing plays designed to run into walls of defenders? It’s a very diplomatic answer, but telling nonetheless.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Going for the FG at the 1.5 yard line when down by 7 to end the half, really kicked me in the gut. I’m sure everyone in that stadium felt it too, players included. That sadly sums up the way the offense went the whole game.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Offense looks like we need to call back Tom Walsh from his bed-n-breakfast business…at least he attempted Power blocking schemes, and to throw ball down the field. If the Raiders don’t do something to get Mcfadden going, and Knapp continues to run the offense like this, I can see 2-14, 3-13.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
It will take 2-3 yrs fir reg to find the right players to play his style of football.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Re-watching the game,,,, sweet bejebus,,,, Barnes has regressed. Talk about a turnstile, he makes Coop look all pro.
That guy should never have made the 53
September 12th, 2012 at 7:42 am
459.Marks hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Has everybody figured out reggies rebuilding?
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There’s no reason to rebuild. Our offense showed signs of greatness last year. A potentially great RB, solid vet QB, improving young WR’s, a new defensive philosophy and coaching staff with 2 of the best kickers in the game is not a time to “rebuild”
Players will be changed to better fit the system but there is no “rebuilding” going on. The talent is there, yes we could improve at some positions but so could the Green Bay Packers.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18 am
In 2 games vs San Diego last year, this offense averaged 504 yards and 25 ppg, both without McFadden.
$$$$$$$$$
DHB had 9 catches, 130 yards, and a TD in the 2nd game.
F U Knapp
September 12th, 2012 at 7:45 am
They could pass on us whenever they wanted to.. drops penalties and a bad pass or 2 saved us from total humiliation.
We have NO passrushers
We have NO secondary
Id be mad but reggie had NO money….
September 12th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Who is the best FA Db out there?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am
464. He’s lost because of ZBS.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Going for the FG at the 1.5 yard line when down by 7 to end the half, really kicked me in the gut. I’m sure everyone in that stadium felt it too, players included. That sadly sums up the way the offense went the whole game.
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And if they didn’t get it….and lost by 3 or less…the fanbase would be talking about how DA is a gambler etc…etc…
September 12th, 2012 at 7:47 am
There’s no reason to rebuild.
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A good point here…the defense was by far the weakest unit on the field last year and while it needed (and still does) a bit of scrubbing the main problem was a defensive co-ordinator who will institute a 21st century system. Tarver has done that.
If not Al Saunders, the OC should’ve been someone who shares a similar philosophy because the offense looked good last year except when Hue outsmarted himself with the playcalling.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
465. We already got rid of evrrything scheme wise..
New gm
New coaches
27 players gone from last yrs team
Wall to wall change out with ould in with new…
Thats rebuilding
If we had more money or picks there would be even more change..
September 12th, 2012 at 7:50 am
A good point here…the defense was by far the weakest unit on the field last year and while it needed (and still does) a bit of scrubbing the main problem was a defensive co-ordinator who will institute a 21st century system. Tarver has done that.
If not Al Saunders, the OC should’ve been someone who shares a similar philosophy because the offense looked good last year except when Hue outsmarted himself with the playcalling.
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Exactly. Damn effin right it should have been Saunders as OC too.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:45 am
They could pass on us whenever they wanted to.. drops penalties and a bad pass or 2 saved us from total humiliation.
We have NO passrushers
We have NO secondary
Id be mad but reggie had NO money….
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No, he didn’t have much money whilst cleaning up Al’s cap mess. So he did what most GMs do when they don’t have money: sign bargain guys and hope you hit on some. Tollefson, Lee, Spencer and Hagan all look like quality pickups. Jury’s still out on Wheeler. Brisiel needs to pick it up, and Bartell looks like a bust.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Part of me wonders if the right move wouldn’t be to just tank the crap out of the season and try to scoop up Tyler Bray or Aaron Murray in the draft.
I know it’s been 1 game, but that game revealed deep seated systemic issues that won’t magically correct themselves.
I expect the Raiders to beat up on Miami, but I bet it won’t be as much as it should be. The defense wins this one.
Raiders 23 – Miami 13 and we’ll get to see what kind of team this truly is the next two weeks following.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:53 am
When i heard how good barnes looked in camp i knew i was because we dont have a good de to expose him.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Tollefson, Lee, Spencer and Hagan all look like quality pickups. Jury’s still out on Wheeler. Brisiel needs to pick it up, and Bartell looks like a bust.
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I dunno, i think Wheeler may have been the best out of all of them.
To be fair to Bartell, he only really got burned on one big completion. The other Malcolm Floyd made an absurd, jaw-dropping catch. Nothing he could’ve done. If Bartell’s a bust it’ll be because of injury.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Hair, To me when someone uses the term “rebuilding” it comes off as, to change while sacrificing winning in the process.
I don’t feel we did that.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Id do a fire sale.. if we are rebuilding lets get a good pick.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Exactly. Damn effin right it should have been Saunders as OC too.
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Maybe, maybe not. Jury’s still out on Knapp (but he needs to get his act together FAST). But DA wanted Knapp, and Reggie made a point at his introductory presser of saying “The new coach will have the right to hire ANYONE HE WANTS” (emphasis added). DA’s a smart football guy, according to pretty much everyone he works with (and unlike some members of the Tinfoil Hat Club, I do not believe that Sean Payton, John Fox and bunch of DA’s former players would all publicly lie about the guy just to stick it to us). He’s quite aware of Knapp’s playcalling deficiencies. They WILL be addressed, or someone else will be calling the plays within the next few games.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Cap mess or no, there’s a bunch of offensive coordinators and even asst coaches who could take the reins of the existing Raider offense and make it go in a functional way better than GK. Even some College coaches I bet. And I know that we got issues everywhere, on special teams, etc. But the one thing that can be easily corrected in the short tem and can mask other deficiencies is a competent offensive coordinator who plays his scheme to the strength of his players rather than the other way around.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:58 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u13t_gcuGs
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Knapp did a great job that time. Wonder if Daunte is available?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 am
I’m finally over this loss…some what.
It boggles my mind that an NFL franchise doesn’t have a reliable back up long snapper in case of an emergency. This isn’t pee wee football. It’s not Goethels fault and i can’t blame him for the loss.
In fact we should have never put Goethel in that position by converting 1st downs or how about TD’s?
What do we have a total of 2 TD’s in 5 total games counting preseason?
That’s not inspiring.
Now i’m not a fan of Knapp and his play calls, but i don’t see them canning him after week 2. However i think Saunders should have a major role along side of Knapp to sprinkle some of his knowledge on game plans.
On a good note; I was really happy with the progress of the D! But if they have to spend a whole lot of time on the field because of 3 and outs by the O, they’ll wear out as the season progresses, possibly leading to injuries.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Marks hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Id do a fire sale.. if we are rebuilding lets get a good pick.
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Heck no I say! Fire sales are for loser mentality people. No one is promised tommorow. Draft picks don’t guarantee a turnaround. The healing has to be from within. Crap franchises talking rebuilding. Raiders aren’t a garbage franchise like the bottomfeeders.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:01 am
On a good note; I was really happy with the progress of the D! But if they have to spend a whole lot of time on the field because of 3 and outs by the O, they’ll wear out as the season progresses, possibly leading to injuries.
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I like the optimism. But that good note is like saying, “on the bright side, our tires are fully inflated and still have good tread, but our distribution cap is shot. But at least we have good tires!”.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Duck, I watched the preseason game vs. the Lions on a Detroit channel and their announcers were saying how Allen is well regarded around the league, is smart, blah blah blah, but one thing they said that was really interesting is that he most likely chose his OC, Knapp, because he may have found it hard, or was hard for the DC Allen was working with at the time, to game plan against him.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:06 am
For all you crybabies here, and you know who you are, I have great news!!!!…Mark and Amy wont be able to announce WHAT THEYVE ALREADY SIGNED until January of 2013, (for obvious reasons),…but a legit source I know will break it sooner then that because it needs to be,…that way the fans at The O can show their displeasure while at the games…I have a feeling the prime time Denver game will go down as the circus game, the game where fans revolt, there will be a scene, and it will be beautiful….yes, the Raiders are playing their final season in Oakland but dont want you to know that, but Im telling you now and someone like Silver will break it officially before its too late and the seasons over,…personally I dont care, it just doesnt matter to me anymore….take care. By the way, the Raiders lose in Miami, something like 23-10
September 12th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Guest and carl.. we Are rebuilding… we’re just not doing a fire sale. But we have gaping holes in the secondary, dline, oline, te, …we have too many holes to list…. if we werent rebuilding we’d have kept the offense the same..
September 12th, 2012 at 8:09 am
I think the game Monday showed just how invaluable a RB is in today’s NFL.
McFadden is great, but you can’t rely on a RB in this league, if you don’t AT LEAST have the threat to make big plays in the passing game to spread out the D.
I would bet a dollar to a donut, that we would have scored more points Monday with Dennarius Moore and Jacoby Ford playing WR and Mike Goodson at RB, than STreater and Hagan playing WR, and McFadden at RB.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Duck, I watched the preseason game vs. the Lions on a Detroit channel and their announcers were saying how Allen is well regarded around the league, is smart, blah blah blah, but one thing they said that was really interesting is that he most likely chose his OC, Knapp, because he may have found it hard, or was hard for the DC Allen was working with at the time, to game plan against him.
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Weathers, I dont understand. Did the donkeys play the texans last year? Because thats where K-N-A-P-P Known Now As Pathetic Playcaller was.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
475.SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Part of me wonders if the right move wouldn’t be to just tank the crap out of the season and try to scoop up Tyler Bray or Aaron Murray in the draft.
I know it’s been 1 game, but that game revealed deep seated systemic issues that won’t magically correct themselves.
I expect the Raiders to beat up on Miami, but I bet it won’t be as much as it should be. The defense wins this one.
Raiders 23 – Miami 13 and we’ll get to see what kind of team this truly is the next two weeks following.
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That’s why this game at Miami is absolutely crucial.
If we lose it could very well be the end of the season as far as playoff aspirations.
It’s a shame, cuz we wait all dam yr. for the season and in the blink of an eye it could very well be over.
On the surface this may sound crazy…2 weeks in and already giving up hope, but if we are 0-2..with Pitt. and Denver coming up…those games are extreme challenges, especially if we show we can’t even beat Miami. Now you’re 0-4 (most likely) and you’re done.
If we beat Miami we can still essentially be in it at 1-3 with the schedule easing up just a bit…all hope is not lost …yet in that scenario, but 0-4? You’re toast.
This game is absolutely a MUST WIN.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:12 am
I like the optimism. But that good note is like saying, “on the bright side, our tires are fully inflated and still have good tread, but our distribution cap is shot. But at least we have good tires!”.
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Guest123,
I mean it is what it is so far. The O sputters and spins it’s tires failing to do what your paid to do. Put points on the board / win football games.
It will take a toll on the whole team mentally and physically if the the O can’t do their part.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:13 am
You’re nailing it this morning Guest. It’s exactly how I feel, all the way around.
3rd qtr my Girl comes around the corner to check on me. She’s like, it’s aweful quiet in here, how are they doing?….
I didn’t reply. She goes “You alright baby?”
I didn’t even look at her, and remained silent. I couldn’t say anything for all the reasons you’d been stating this morning. It was crushing cause they DID look like an inept bunch of Clowns. Shoot, even Cable had more Ballz. He did the best he could. I didn’t see it coming. Like walking in on your old lady and your best freind…..by all rights you should be full of rage and malice…but in reality you just drop to your knees completely void of energy and utterly devestated.
I care too much too man.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:15 am
A healthy DMC teamed with Carson Palmer should have been enough to make the offense go downfield consistently. But critical playcalls limited them from finishing the deal. Regardless of whether or not they missed DMo17 or Ford. Still had enough weapons to score points and got outcoached and outschemed all game long. Coaching staff let down the players on Monday. It’s on them. They should be forced to run laps while the players sit on their helmets and watch and goad them on for f-ing up the game.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:16 am
AmysInCharge Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:06 am
The Raiders are playing their final season in Oakland but dont want you to know that, but Im telling you now and someone like Silver will break it officially before its too late and the seasons over,…
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Now wait a minute. Just a few short months ago, you were telling us all how your BFF Sam Farmer had told you that there was NO WAY a new stadium was being built in LA and all this talk about moving a team there would get noplace. Now you’re saying a deal’s already been signed with (I assume) Roski’s group? Make up yer mind, dude.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:18 am
What do the redskins, the sea hawks and the raiders all have in common? They all have qbs learning a new offense. All 3 run the west coast offense. There is one glaring difference though between oakland and the other two, seattle and washington have dynamic play making qbs, and we dont have that kind of trigger man running our offense. I Have watched all 3 teams i their season openers, every snap, and there are some things that really jumped out at me.
First i want to again express how pleased I was on monday with carsons improvement. He made the right choices and only had 2 throws that I thought were bad decisions. Both throws went into double coverage and one was nearly picked. 1 near interception is a major improvement from the guy that showed up throwing multiple picks per game last year and in the pre season.
Of the 3 wcos’ the seahawks and raiders run the most similar system. Both incorporated a spread concept with single back sets, and little pre snap motion. Both used stretch runs and to set up the offense along with under neath passing. The difference was that russle wilson gave the defense far more to consider, as he has the threat of faking the stretch and keeping the ball to run or throw on the bootleg action. This single aspect of his game seemed to open up the seahawk offense in a way that we could only dream of. Wilson did not have a ton of rushing yards or attempts but the threat of him running created large passing lanes and allowed the wr group to operate in space. Also wilson seemed to have the freedom to up the tempo of the offense and audible any time he wanted. Wilson went into a hurry up mode and the defense baffled in the final minutes of the game, making protection calls, changing plays, and doing his best peyton manning. He was unreal.
This is why palmer is under pressure. Although he played the best he has a raider by far, he bottom line is he is a hold over, and does not fit the scheme. His inability to threaten the run severely handcuffs the offense. The stretch run needs to be married with the play fake and boot leg out of the back side to be effective, palmer does not have that in his game. Seattle doesnt have the dynamic speed at he skill positions that oakland does, yet palmer’s limited athleticism handicaps our team speed in this offense. There result is a very stale predictable offense that allows the defense to sit back in deep zones and force a dink and dunk all night long. Even though the hawks and raiders run nearly an identical offense, one is far more modern that the other. I believe palmer must have an all pro type year or he will be out next year as the raiders look for a better sytem fit.
The redskins and RGIII were unbelievable. Their version of the wco was cutting edge and unseen in the nfl to this point. Not only did they incorporate spread concepts, but the also used pistol , shotgun formations, they rolled the pocket from the shotgun, used zone reads and lots of pre snap motions. RGIII had the autonomy set set motions to create favorable match ups and make all at the line of scrimmage. This is the version of the offense I believe we could have with a more mobile qb. The defense was never able to stop RGIII, as he just presented too many things for the defense to have to account for. Both russel and RGIII were blitzed heavily and they routinely burned the blitz with relative ease.
The offense hu jax ran was based on having a qb that can avoid mistakes and throw it deep on occasion and getting the ball to play makers. Todays wco is based on have a play making qb as your biggest threat. I dont see how palmer can change his game enough to really fit and maximize the offense.
This will be interesting to watch for the rest of the season
September 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
It’s not Goethels fault and i can’t blame him for the loss.
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I don’t blame him for the loss, but how does he not share in the blame?
He HAS BEEN the backup LS this entire camp, yet he looked like he never tried to long snap in his life. Also, he just stood on the sidelines with a stupid look on his face, and never seemed (at least I didn’t see) to try to practice it at all, or much at all.
Compare that to Minny last year, when their LS went out and Jared Allen filled in. He completely embraced it and had fun with it, immediately was over firing some back on the sidelines and did a flawless job.
We ask our backup QB’s to put in all this extra effort outside of practice hours, why can’t we expect our backup LS to stay after practice an hour a week and not look like an idiot if his number is ever called?
September 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
We are looking at 1-4 or 0-5.
No passrushers
No secondary
Zbs doesnt fit
Worst sp teams coach in the nfl
Bad oc
September 12th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Ghost79,
It took me 2 days to let this stew before I could jump in here and get this all off my chest. It hurts man. I know my wife is all smiling and in a good mood, she gets up to get me a beer and asks me how the game is going and it’s stoic shocked silence. I feel bad to not attempt to enjoy her company or thank her for the beer. It hurts too much to watch my team of clowns on Nat’l TV and everyone laughing at us. I wish I didn’t care. I don’t have that on/off button, damn though wish I did.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I know if we lose to Miami there will still be guys in here saying “we can beat this Pittsburgh team and get back on track”…Sure..it’s “possible” but you really think so after getting beat by SD at home and then Miami?
I’m being really generous and optimistic saying at 1-3 we’re still in it…but we’ve got to beat Miami.
That’s what pssing away a game like SD does to you.
DA and Palmer acting like “It’s all good, we just focus on Miami and we’ll be fine.” Or what both DA and Palmer said “It’s a marathon not a sprint”. Well don’t think u can just lose to Miami and everything is all “well be fine”.
It may be a marathon but you lose to Miami and you just fell down in the middle of the street and taken yourself OUT of the marathon.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:22 am
It was never my mind to make up, its theirs, and their minds have changed countless times. The Raiders prior to AL never would be willing to relinquish any part of the team, and thats the deal for that dude down their, part ownership…Mark jumped at it,..Hell if pushed enough he would have sold it all to him,…dont be fooled, Mark couldnt care less about the Raiders, barely pays attention to the day to day crap,…he never interviewed Reggie, was just told to hire him, never interviewed any others, thats pretty stupid…I dont really care that much anymore either. Im moving to Florida soon anyway, doesnt matter to me if they lose in Oakland or LA.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:22 am
It may be a marathon but you lose to Miami and you just fell down in the middle of the street and taken yourself OUT of the marathon.
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With the way Miami looks, it’d be like falling down, breaking both ankles and sh!tting your pants in the middle of a marathon
September 12th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Someone was in here after the Denver-Pitt game, saying Pittsburgh has a worse O-line than the 2006 B’N'B version, an over the hill defense, and will be lucky to finish 7-9.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:23 am
We ask our backup QB’s to put in all this extra effort outside of practice hours, why can’t we expect our backup LS to stay after practice an hour a week and not look like an idiot if his number is ever called?
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Another point to consider: Shane said the block would’ve never happened even with the bad snap if Condo had been in because he would’ve recognized that the Chargers had overloaded to one side and changed the protection.
So not only does Goethel not actually practice long snapping he doesn’t know the protection calls either. Inexcusable.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Fire knapp and hoffman out of a cannon right into the bay!!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
I mean, what is so dire for a fringe roster player like Goethel to do that he can’t embrace the backup LS role?
Hell, if he ever became good at it, he would be in line for A BIG PAYRAISE.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
487.AmysInCharge Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:06 am
For all you crybabies here, and you know who you are, I have great news!!!!…Mark and Amy wont be able to announce WHAT THEYVE ALREADY SIGNED until January of 2013, (for obvious reasons),…but a legit source I know will break it sooner then that because it needs to be,…that way the fans at The O can show their displeasure while at the games…I have a feeling the prime time Denver game will go down as the circus game, the game where fans revolt, there will be a scene, and it will be beautiful….yes, the Raiders are playing their final season in Oakland but dont want you to know that, but Im telling you now and someone like Silver will break it officially before its too late and the seasons over,…personally I dont care, it just doesnt matter to me anymore….take care. By the way, the Raiders lose in Miami, something like 23-10
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There have been diks on this board..many, but you sir take the cake.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
I blame the loss on 3 people.
1A- Knapp
1B- Hoffman
2-DA
September 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Is Amy’s in Charge Sullivan?
September 12th, 2012 at 8:29 am
John, you should just take the message instead of wasting your day trying to figure out who wrote it.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:29 am
i want this, welcome to the new wco
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1330127-mike-shanahan-shows-flexibility-and-creativity-with-rgiii-under-center
September 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
yeah Guest……
I’m with you. The Russell years took SOOO much out of me. So much that I would jump up and down, scream, fist pump, and feel a surge of adrenaline if they got a Fu*in 1st down. That’s pathetic. Cable at least gave me something to hang on to, and I was on my a thread…Cable/Jack made me start to believe again. Then Jackson re-lit the fire inside…This whole offseason I’d been pumped like I hadn’t been in years. So confident; couldn’t wait for the season. And yeah, Tuesday morning I felt the pain in my chest. Flashbacks from the dark years, like a freakin nightmare. How could this happen, I kept thinking.
A Denver fan I work with opened the front door for me as I arrived
“Did you watch the game last night?” he said with a huge smile. I didn’t even look at him or reply. Just walked past him and around the corner.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I see the sky is still falling in here.. LOL
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
This is why id get so annoyed with all the kool ail guys… dont blow smoke up my azz. I can see glaring problems.. your just wishful thinking.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
does knapp script his first 15-20 plays? if not he needs to. mix the formations and plays to give the defense plaenty to consider for the rest of the game. Then alter the game plan basd on what you showed in the scripted plays. Thats what shananhan did with RGIII and it was just too much for the saints to handle. The defense was in slow motion looking for the ball following play fakes and misdirection.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
DJ,
No it’s an idiot called Norco Bob who likes to pop pills, walk poodles on the beach in short shorts, willing to say anything to get attention, and he has been around since I started posting.
Attention HO.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Sky isnt falling..but we’re not making the playoffs either..
September 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:29 am
i want this, welcome to the new wco
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aren’t alot of russell wilsons or rgIII out there. Schaub is no running threat and houston has plenty O to win it all. everyone is on Knapp but the offense moved fine minus big plays and Moore makes that big of a difference. Mistakes on O, D and special teams should be bland on one man, DENNIS ALLEN
September 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I see the sky is still falling in here.. LOL
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I don’t see what is so funny. Maybe you haven’t been a Raider fan for 4 plus decades? Maybe it’s just a cool color scheme. It pisses some of us off in here. Let us be.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I think the coaches expect Carson and team to be successfull in Knapp’s offense.
If they are moderately successfull, then there won’t be a rebuild.
However, if they fail, you can expect a new QB, WR, TE, OL and maybe even DMAC moved so that they can get their guys in.
I don’t like it. But that’s the NFL. Its a system league. IF you hire a GM from a WCO team, you are going to get a WCO system. Madden knew that…Mark knew that.
I think the offensive players on board will be successfull and all the teeth gnashing will be about nothing
September 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
The problem with the younger more mobile QB’s, is as they get older, everyone else on defense stays the same age. As they pile up some injuries over the years, the defense rotates in a constant flow of healthy guys.
They have to learn to adapt to their own different style of play as they become less athletic than their opponents.
I have no doubts RGIII will do this, as long as he can stay healthy. He gets is.
Vick, hasn’t adapted, and has become a fumbling, INT prone train-wreck of a QB.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Big Ben will be next as well, as he still thinks he can be Big Ben, and he is going to have a massive fall from grace in the next 2-3 years.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
519. Well said brother
September 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Meanwhile pocket QB’s like Peyton, Flacco, Brady, Brees and Eli, seem to get better, even into their mid 30’s, and can play the game into their late 30’s at a very high level.
They never had to really change their style.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I see the sky is still falling in here.. LOL
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LOL
Some of You People are too slow to understand/ react.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:38 am
He HAS BEEN the backup LS this entire camp, yet he looked like he never tried to long snap in his life. Also, he just stood on the sidelines with a stupid look on his face, and never seemed (at least I didn’t see) to try to practice it at all, or much at all.
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JFB,
I do agree with you that he should have been on the sideline firing off the ball, getting it down. That is on him!
But we find out after the game he hasn’t done it since high school. That’s on DA not being more prepared. Didn’t Shane state that Goethel hasn’t practiced LS’ing in practice?
Either way. After the 1st, 2nd time what would it hurt to go for it on 4th down. My point was the O shouldn’t have put the punt unit in this situation.
Now Condo has to get cleared by a Dr. DA needs someone to be practicing this non stop all week. Even if it’s snapping rolls down the isle of the plane on the way to Miami.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
513.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I see the sky is still falling in here.. LOL
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I guess you are certain were gonna beat Miami then?
Because if we lose to Miami this season..for all intents and purposes, is over.
I’m glad you find that to be a humorous proposition.
I wish I could.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
It is one game guys… One terrible game but only one game. Now if we lose to the Phins, count me in the doom and gloom crowd. Until then, positive vibes.
CODE SIGN PLAX
September 12th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Didn’t Shane state that Goethel hasn’t practiced LS’ing in practice?
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You can’t expect them to practice it during the short practice window, those practices have to be as crisp and concise as possible to get the most out of them.
I am saying, why isn’t he going after practice, and firing 20 or so balls back to Marquette King every now and than? It was clear, he hadn’t practiced AT ALL, and he had to face the music on national TV for his OWN lack of preparedness.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I guess you are certain were gonna beat Miami then?
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We are going to beat the hell out of them.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Fresno st used the quick kick against oregon.. it was because the kr was so good. But the raiders could have used it with ease… it was bush league instead out there on monday…
September 12th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Some of us knew this was going to happen the day we hired Knapp, and some of you chose to ignore the facts and started creating excuses.
- he didn’t have enough weapons/ he had bad teams the last 4 years of his career as OC (his offense was ranked in the 20’s in scoring.
- he had a great year in 2001
- it’s preseason
- it’s the 1st game of the season
Notice a trend?
You People make me sick!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:44 am
taiwan jones “shows signs” during the preseason only to be injured, make mistakes, or dissapear during the regular season. PUT YOUR PANTS TAIWAN!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:44 am
502.SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:22 am
It may be a marathon but you lose to Miami and you just fell down in the middle of the street and taken yourself OUT of the marathon.
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With the way Miami looks, it’d be like falling down, breaking both ankles and sh!tting your pants in the middle of a marathon
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LMAO! If we lose to Miami we’ll be battling them all year for 1st overall.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Not sure why the sky is falling crowd is so prevelant.
TWo years ago, we looked completely out of sorts, unable to stay within 3 TD’s of Vince Young and the Titans, and than limped to a victory of a historically awful Rams organization.
Last year, we barely beat the Orton led Donkeys, and than made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like YA Title.
I think we are ahed of those paces, strictly by our D looking really good so far this season.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Who said our offense was going to score 30+ points?
Who said it was only preseason and others are overreacting?
Who?
September 12th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Amys in Charge says:
yes, the Raiders are playing their final season in Oakland
Sacramento Raiders
Inglewood Raiders
Vegas Raiders
Hollywood Raiders
Santa Clara Raiders
End the suspense
September 12th, 2012 at 8:49 am
on a positive note, gotta admit, our LB’s beasted, led by
https://www.google.com/search?q=rolando+mcclain+smile&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-65QUOWJN-ntiQLftoGIDg&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=599
September 12th, 2012 at 8:50 am
512.theghostronin79 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
yeah Guest……
I’m with you. The Russell years took SOOO much out of me. So much that I would jump up and down, scream, fist pump, and feel a surge of adrenaline if they got a Fu*in 1st down. That’s pathetic. Cable at least gave me something to hang on to, and I was on my a thread…Cable/Jack made me start to believe again. Then Jackson re-lit the fire inside…This whole offseason I’d been pumped like I hadn’t been in years. So confident; couldn’t wait for the season. And yeah, Tuesday morning I felt the pain in my chest. Flashbacks from the dark years, like a freakin nightmare. How could this happen, I kept thinking.
A Denver fan I work with opened the front door for me as I arrived
“Did you watch the game last night?” he said with a huge smile. I didn’t even look at him or reply. Just walked past him and around the corner.
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lol…this is good. I couldn’t have said this any better.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:50 am
532.Raider O Says:
You People make me sick!
Dang, Thats a shame. All because we back the team no matter what?
September 12th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Saying this is a rebuild is just giving Reggie and DA a free pass to mess up a team that was a defensive stop away from the playoffs last yr. w/o holding them accountable for anything.
3-13…? Fine. Rebuild.
8-8 2 straight yrs.? No way. No free pass to screw that up.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Pls pls….. no more put your pants… that lame slogan was an obvius jinx
September 12th, 2012 at 8:51 am
536.Raider O Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Who said our offense was going to score 30+ points?
Who said it was only preseason and others are overreacting?
Who?
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Wasn´t me O!!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
1. Dont try and come off as more RAIDER than me, please.
2. The sky IS NOT falling, untangle your panties.
3. I dont expect us to make the playoffs.
4. Im not even sure we beat the Dolphins.
I do know that its not as bad as some of you are making it.
We can win the division, or take dead last. Just that kinda team.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
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Jano kicking 10 FG’s? Wow, that would be a new NFL record.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Meanwhile pocket QB’s like Peyton, Flacco, Brady, Brees and Eli, seem to get better, even into their mid 30’s, and can play the game into their late 30’s at a very high level.
They never had to really change their style.
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your argument negates the pocket passing of qbs simply because they are mobile. You have not considered that RGIII , wilson, and newton ARE POCKET PASSERS, they just happen to have superior athleticism as well.
Also young, elway, montana and gannon, were all considered mobile and they all played well at the end of their careers, elway young and gannon playing well into their mide to late 30’s.
Cunningham is much closer to the new trio athletically, and he also rounded his game out and played very well into his mid 30’s
Today these guys are not mobile or pocket passers, the new wave are pocket passers first with unseen athleticism at the qb spot.
I want that here so we can see a modern wco, we are being left in the stone age
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
535.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Not sure why the sky is falling crowd is so prevelant.
TWo years ago, we looked completely out of sorts, unable to stay within 3 TD’s of Vince Young and the Titans, and than limped to a victory of a historically awful Rams organization.
Last year, we barely beat the Orton led Donkeys, and than made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like YA Title.
I think we are ahed of those paces, strictly by our D looking really good so far this season.
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Here’s the thing. IF Raiders look like they did Sunday night? They will NOT beat Miami. If they do not beat Miami the season is over. That’s all.
I’m glad you think we’ll get it done and I hope you’re right.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:55 am
I drank the Knapple :sadface:
Raiders 38
discharge 10
Best year ever!!
But I still say Knapp will right the ship. Just have to get some WR’s healthy, fix the Oline and get Darren to drink some kool aid,
September 12th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Raiders will beat Miami and show how much better they are than the bottom tier of the league.
They will correct what has to be corrected.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:55 am
I am one with the koolaid, but I’m also not so much of a homer to gloss over obvious problems. I see a problem with the O. I know some of you pointed out the difficulty in overcoming the turnovers and blocked punts, but the point remains. It’s a valid point but the issue remains. This O cannot succeed with imperfection. Couple of penalties or a botched handoff/pitch and it’s over.
Also, despite the mistakes made throughout the game, the offense still had plenty of opportunity to steal the game away from SD and it didn’t deliver.
Facts are facts. As of today, Hue’s offense was much more effective, and that was without Palmer and DMAC on the field at the same time.
No, the sky is not falling. But there are gray clouds above.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:56 am
The d looked ok vs a team with injuries. They also dropped and missed afew passes and had penalties… all we did was contain an old runner
September 12th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Hilarious that some of the people who accuse you of not being a Raiders fan for saying anything even remotely critical of Al Davis are the same people who are freaking out and calling for everyone to be fired after week 1.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am
545,
Ok. It sounds like you are not disappointed cuz u really don’t care.
Leave those of alone that do.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am
side note tom cables oline is going to get wilson killed
September 12th, 2012 at 8:59 am
553.YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Hilarious that some of the people who accuse you of not being a Raiders fan for saying anything even remotely critical of Al Davis are the same people who are freaking out and calling for everyone to be fired after week 1.
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I don’t get the analogy.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Marks hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:56 am
The d looked ok vs a team with injuries. They also dropped and missed afew passes and had penalties… all we did was contain an old runner
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Well, Brinkley acutally led the Chargers & had double the carries Brown did. So not really accurate..
September 12th, 2012 at 8:59 am
hurts that bonehead mistakes had the world laughing at us but as our leaders kept our potentially fragile young team competing. DA needs to have mistakes corrected as it’s a short week, long travel, against a good running team with a good D that still has hope in this young season. it’s gonna be a battle Sunday and we’ll prevail
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Raider should beat Miami. Defense is improved enough to stop Ryan Tannehill. Just hope offense can score.
Raiders 17
Miami 10
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Cam Newton is a pocket passer? Go and watch the game from Sunday and then come back and apologize for your ignorance.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Plunketthead Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:50 am
532.Raider O Says:
You People make me sick!
Dang, Thats a shame. All because we back the team no matter what?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
No soccer ambassador. It’s because You People choose to ignore the facts and then expect other people to do the same, and then you act like they are overreacting when they refuse.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:02 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am
545,
Ok. It sounds like you are not disappointed cuz u really don’t care.
Leave those of alone that do.
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Im not as disapointed as YOU, maybe.
Possibly because im a realist? Understand the process?..IDK?
But I havent met a person, online or real life, that cared more about the Raiders than me.
So hoorah son.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:03 am
But I havent met a person, online or real life, that cared more about the Raiders than me.
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you don’t get out much do you?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am
side note tom cables oline is going to get wilson killed
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You blaming Wilson’s failure on Sunday on Tom Cable? LOL
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I don’t get the analogy.
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Are the people who are being critical of the Raiders’ management not real Raider fans?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
LOL Mex.
I know it wasn’t you.
He knows who he is. lol
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:03 am
But I havent met a person, online or real life, that cared more about the Raiders than me.
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you don’t get out much do you?
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Cool story bro.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
546.guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
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Jano kicking 10 FG’s? Wow, that would be a new NFL record.
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No, 2 TD´s and 5 FG.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 am
556. I don’t get the anology either. broad brush strokes and lots of hyperbole there. Unusual considering the source.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I was pretty high on Dennis Allen. Wanted to believe that RMac made a brilliant hire, but now I know that any coach that hires Knapp as their OC has to be a simpleton, child like man.
So, we might not have a great coach, just a D Coordinator trying to be a coach…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
546.guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
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Jano kicking 10 FG’s? Wow, that would be a new NFL record.
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No, 2 TD´s and 5 FG.
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That’s 29…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Cool story bro.
facepalm
September 12th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Some people never learn. lol
September 12th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Everybody REACTS differently to the outcome of the game. Thoughts and phylosophies on the organization, scheme, and football in general are always up for debate in here. But we can’t call into question a persons fan-hood or team loyalty based on their reaction to Monday night. Can’t judge folks for things that are out of their control.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:09 am
562.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:02 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:58 am
545,
Ok. It sounds like you are not disappointed cuz u really don’t care.
Leave those of alone that do.
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Im not as disapointed as YOU, maybe.
Possibly because im a realist? Understand the process?..IDK?
But I havent met a person, online or real life, that cared more about the Raiders than me.
So hoorah son.
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Thx. For the condescending response “son”.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Lol. Some of you are some real condescending a-h0les. Ever listen to yourselves?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
We need to bring these guys in..
Andre Carter
Everette Brown
Plaxico Buress
Steve Slaton
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
569.guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 am
556. I don’t get the anology either. broad brush strokes and lots of hyperbole there. Unusual considering the source.
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I think he’s calling those people hypocr!tes.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
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Jano kicking 10 FG’s? Wow, that would be a new NFL record.
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No, 2 TD´s and 5 FG.
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That’s 29…
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I like the idea of 15 safeties better.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 am
556. I don’t get the anology either. broad brush strokes and lots of hyperbole there. Unusual considering the source.
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If everyone who criticizes Raider management isn’t a “real Raider fan”, as many here have asserted when anyone is even remotely critical of the last regime, then certainly we have a lot of folks who “aren’t real Raider fans” (whatever that means) in here today.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
I was pretty high on Dennis Allen. Wanted to believe that RMac made a brilliant hire, but now I know that any coach that hires Knapp as their OC has to be a simpleton, child like man.
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Certainly DA deserves some heat for a poor hire and not making sure that his special teams were ready. But anyone can make a mistake hiring the wrong personnel. Al Davis did it too. Every team in the NFL has made a piss poor selection in their history. It doesn’t make management suddenly become simpletons. But if DA can’t work out his issues with staff, then it’s on him.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Cam Newton is a pocket passer? Go and watch the game from Sunday and then come back and apologize for your ignorance.
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i did watch the game from sunday, and cam threw two bad picks. He got a bit impatient and forced the throws into coverage, and he admitted that type were bad choices. He is in his second year, and young qbs over estimate their own arm at times, and cam was guilty of this by his own admission.
You can set the single season passing record for rookies, the single game passing record for rookies unless you are a pocket passer.
Think before you type
September 12th, 2012 at 9:14 am
The big issue on the offense is actually the run blocking. The run blocking is a disappointment
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
The Big Banana Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Lol. Some of you are some real condescending a-h0les. Ever listen to yourselves?
$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Who wants to listen to a condescending a$$hole? lol
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I think he’s calling those people hypocr!tes.
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We have a winner.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
What if Knapp was Allen’s only option?
Nobody else wanted the job?
Has that even popped into anyones thought pattern?
Nope, we must assume and be angry!!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
No soccer ambassador. It’s because You People choose to ignore the facts and then expect other people to do the same, and then you act like they are overreacting when they refuse.
Mountains out of molehills my friend.
give us grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
I was pretty high on Dennis Allen. Wanted to believe that RMac made a brilliant hire, but now I know that any coach that hires Knapp as their OC has to be a simpleton, child like man.
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Certainly DA deserves some heat for a poor hire and not making sure that his special teams were ready. But anyone can make a mistake hiring the wrong personnel. Al Davis did it too. Every team in the NFL has made a piss poor selection in their history. It doesn’t make management suddenly become simpletons. But if DA can’t work out his issues with staff, then it’s on him.
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Dont know if I agree with you, I wish I could. A coach has to know talent, identify talent on the players, and his coaches too… you always see good coaches hire good assistants…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Allen said he was aware of the rule that permits the receiving team an untimed down if a game ends on a punt, with the kicking team touching the ball first.
However, he wasn’t aware of the fact that it was the Chargers that touched the ball first Monday night on the final play of the game. Hence, he didn’t plead his case with the officials.
“I knew the rule that if they touched the ball first that it was illegal touching, and we should’ve been awarded another play,” Allen said. “I wasn’t sure exactly who touched the ball first when it happened in the game, and it was later that I realized it was them that touched the ball first.”
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open your friggin eyes numb nuts!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Oh, good ArmChair GM. That list hasn’t been posted in the last several minutes, I was started to get worried something happened to you. God forbid you don’t have all day to spend reposting the same thing over and over again.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
What if Knapp was Allen’s only option?
Nobody else wanted the job?
Has that even popped into anyones thought pattern?
Nope, we must assume and be angry!!
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Um…..Al Saunders was definitely available…you know the OC from last year that had us number 9 in scoring in the league!!!
The one who is still on staff, but demoted behind Greg Knapp and his anemic sleepy time offense!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
580. I think I see what you mean. Maybe…
I don’t get how being frustrated with the new coaching staff and thier obvious ill prepared plan & coaching scheme has anything to do with being a “sky is falling” type fan. I don’t think our offensive coordinator is redeemable. I’ve seen enough. I won’t shed a tear when he is fired. But that doesn’t affect my loyalty or make me less of a fan of the Raiders, just because I disagree with the hiring of some its employees.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Raider O Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
The Big Banana Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Lol. Some of you are some real condescending a-h0les. Ever listen to yourselves?
$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Who wants to listen to a condescending a$$hole? lol
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Lol, O!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:19 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
What if Knapp was Allen’s only option?
Nobody else wanted the job?
Has that even popped into anyones thought pattern?
Nope, we must assume and be angry!!
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U might be right…
But when Rmac hired DA, I thought he would install a offense like the saints, he even talked about a high tempo offense…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am
571.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
546.guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
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Jano kicking 10 FG’s? Wow, that would be a new NFL record.
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No, 2 TD´s and 5 FG.
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That’s 29…
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Did you miss the 2 Pt conv. in the second TD??
September 12th, 2012 at 9:22 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Oh, good ArmChair GM. That list hasn’t been posted in the last several minutes, I was started to get worried something happened to you. God forbid you don’t have all day to spend reposting the same thing over and over again.
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Your sarcasm is poor and ineffective. I repost every time someone asks to be added to the list!
Please go Hari Kari yourself.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:25 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am
571.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:06 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am
546.guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
We are going to score 30 points this weekend and you are still overreacting.
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Jano kicking 10 FG’s? Wow, that would be a new NFL record.
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No, 2 TD´s and 5 FG.
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That’s 29…
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Did you miss the 2 Pt conv. in the second TD??
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Looks like you did too
September 12th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Klas has come down off his Kool Aid (and other stuff) high. Thinking Raiders are 8-8 team again. Defense and penalties will be greatly improved. Knapp will be fired after season over. Next year we win AFC West.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:26 am
TWo years ago, we looked completely out of sorts, unable to stay within 3 TD’s of Vince Young and the Titans, and than limped to a victory of a historically awful Rams organization.
Last year, we barely beat the Orton led Donkeys, and than made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like YA Title.
I think we are ahed of those paces, strictly by our D looking really good so far this season.
++++++++++++++++++
On defense, for sure, but in all of those games the Raiders offense scored touchdowns which isn’t something they managed until garbage time on Monday night.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:27 am
D Allen should had installed a high tempo offense like saints, with power running.
But even if DA picked the ZB for his offense, why pick Knapp?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Would like to revisit the final sequence of plays at the end of the first half.
Not to debate whether the Raids should have gone for the TD on 4th down – personally, I think DA did the right thing taking the FG.
What I think deserves more consideration and discussion is what the heck happened after the play that got us down to around the 10 yard line ?
How on earth did the Raids get flagged for delay of game there ?
Those 5 penalty yards were the difference between scoring a TD and tying the game or having to settle for the FG. 4 point swing.
What happened ? Was Krapp late getting the call in ? Communication problem ? Refs short change the Raids by starting the play clock too soon ?
I don’t know what happened or who is to blame – but I do know that was an inexcusable penalty and wonder if DA or any of the staff has come up with an explanation for it.
Has anyone here heard an explanation ? Someone should be held accountable. Or is the whole thing being ignored and swept under the rug ?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
ArmChair GM Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:18 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
What if Knapp was Allen’s only option?
Nobody else wanted the job?
Has that even popped into anyones thought pattern?
Nope, we must assume and be angry!!
_______________________________________________________
Um…..Al Saunders was definitely available…you know the OC from last year that had us number 9 in scoring in the league!!!
The one who is still on staff, but demoted behind Greg Knapp and his anemic sleepy time offense!
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Oh, so now its Al Saunders who was responsible for the O last year. Cool.
Obviously.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
You have not considered that RGIII , wilson, and newton ARE POCKET PASSERS,
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You base that on 18 games play COMBINED between the 3?
Here is it is for you:
Russell Wilson is limited and will be benched for Flynn by Thanksgiving.
Cam Newton is the worst QB in his division
RGIII looked great against the Saints, I am eager to see him this week against the Rams and that fierce pass-rush and elite Defensive minded coach Fisher.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:29 am
We’re still a 10-6 team until further notice
September 12th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Soccer ambassador,
God help us.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:30 am
But when Rmac hired DA, I thought he would install a offense like the saints, he even talked about a high tempo offense…
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And Kiffin talked of a potent vertical attack and Josh McCown was his starter game 1!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Russell Wilson is limited and will be benched for Flynn by Thanksgiving.
Cam Newton is the worst QB in his division
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Agreed on Wilson. Nice pre-season story but not sustainable. I see him having a Seneca Wallace/Bruce Gradkowski type career: nice backup who can give you a spot start when needed or can provide a spark coming off the bench, but otherwise a journeyman clipboard holder.
Disagree with you about Newton; I think he’s better than Josh Freeman who I’m still not sold on.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Someone metioned earlier that Allen was full of cliches and such. He absolutely is like listening to a politician. I don’t care what he has to say, nor am I gonna waste my time anymore watching his interviews.
Just Win Baby, or next man up.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:33 am
And Kiffin talked of a potent vertical attack and Josh McCown was his starter game 1!
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Josh McCown looked pretty dam good against Lions.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:33 am
For the simpletons who are critical of the new GM after a single regular-season game:
If you think the Raiders would have kept getting better if they left Hue in charge and let him find his own defensive coordinator, you’re lying to yourself.
No matter what, the Raiders were $22 million over the cap and needed to make some tough decisions. Hue Jackson was in no way qualified to do that. This isn’t the NFL of the 70s – to keep a franchise competitive, you need legitimate organizational structure in the front office. You need to have a GM to make those decisions.
More importantly, the GM and the head coach need to be on the same page. If not? You get situations like the one the Browns are in.
This wasn’t a Superbowl team (or even a playoff team) when last season ended, and that wasn’t going to change with Hue in charge. It’s not a Superbowl team now, either – but now it has a chance because the front office has structure and accountability. It has a continuous philosophy through the owner, president, GM, head coach, and coordinators. It won’t be limited going forward because of an unsustainable financial situation. Potential coaches and coordinators won’t be scared away from the franchise because there’s an actual executive in charge (and for those panicking, make no mistake – if the performance of the offense and special teams doesn’t change, there WILL BE changes made).
This is how a real, modern franchise runs.
Those who are calling for Dennis Allen’s head already are senseless. Seems as if they’ve learned nothing over the last two decades. Continuity of philosophy throughout the organization and consistency with the head coach are the things that make and KEEP an organization successful.
But these are things that take time to build. Especially with a situation as unique as this one, where ONE GUY ran the entire show. He’s not here anymore. The franchise NEEDED to change, and now has the mechanism in place to do so. But this kind of thing doesn’t happen overnight.
The criticism of Knapp is valid, even if he’s not the reason the Raiders lost last night. The criticism of Hoffman is also valid. There are even things to criticize Allen about – mainly not having an adequate backup plan at LS.
But those who want to blow up the new regime and start over already? These are clearly not rational individuals who understand what rebuilding a franchise entails.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Someone metioned earlier that Allen was full of cliches and such. He absolutely is like listening to a politician. I don’t care what he has to say, nor am I gonna waste my time anymore watching his interviews.
Just Win Baby, or next man up.
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That is why he is going to be good. He is a professional. That is something this team hasn’t had in a while.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Someone metioned earlier that Allen was full of cliches and such. He absolutely is like listening to a politician. I don’t care what he has to say, nor am I gonna waste my time anymore watching his interviews.
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To me, all coach interviews should be boring. If they’re interesting they’re either having a meltdown (HueJax at his last presser) or blustering like fools (every Rex Ryan press conference ever).
I’d rather my coach hide behind bland generalties and cliches while working to actually fix things behind the screen. No reason to tip your hand.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am
YA,
Please…PLEASE dont make sense. They absolutely despise that.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am
The issue here is did Reggie McKenzie trust Dennis Allen with the decision making for his staff?
Yes. That was a problem in Al Davis days, right? So the playcalling hire was on him. He shouldve known that Palmer didnt have the skill set.
Saunders is available, and if Knapp is second guessed that means the ZBS and Pollack is second guessed, and raises question as to why did Wiz leave?
Next, if Knapp is replaced, that means a problem very early in the season with decision making with the youngest coach in the league, and you could tell by the offensive body language…it wasnt working – and this was week 1 – when McFadden slammed the ball down when he was strung out on that sweep late, that told me all I needed to know.
Allen needs to calm this storm, and soon. They face another rookie head coach, and a young QB, but we’re already short a DB (Bartell) and a deep snapper (Condo), so the same issues prop again – and we HAVE to go for it on 4th down in certain situations.
Knapp is really on the hot seat, and somewhere Hue Jackson shrugs his shoulders. We all knew this was a possibility the minute he hired Knapp. This also means Pete Charmichael or Tom Clements shouldve been taken a little more seriously or even Jeremy Bates.
If Al saunders has any input in his bag of tricks judging from last years Offense, now would be the time….
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I’ll readily admit I probably take all this Raider football too seriously..Honestly..like Guest…I wish I didn’t.
I assumed this was a safe haven for football weirdos like me.
Some people are here just to “talk football” and they really don’t have any emotional investment in it and that’s fine.
I think it’s a positive trait for someone to be able to distance themselves from the “investment” part of it, but unreasonable to expect that on a 24/7 Raiders blog there wouldn’t be anyone that does have that investment, and a bit “uncool” (for lack of a better word) to criticize them for it.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I believe Kiffin used the term “explosive”
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Benn awhile since i’ve posted, busy with life like most.This can’t go without commenting though.
I know it’s been said, but Knapp can’t call another game without making adjustments and expect to be an OC in the NFL!
Bartell got burned twice for major gains, we prob won’t miss him much. Hope I’m not wrong. Is Chris Johnson still available? He could add depth at CB. What about bringing out Darren Sharper from retirement and moving Huff to CB? DA has coached Sharper before so mabye he could pull it off
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Cam Newton doesn’t look comfortable throwing in the pocket. He doesn;t have the footwork down and his motion just looked awkward. He has the arm for sure but calling him a pocket passer is like calling Palmer a west coast QB. He can get it done but it’s not suited to his strengths.
Think before you type
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Does anyone else remember that stretch of 2nd half play (6 in a row, if I’m not mistaken) without a touchdown last season?
I do. And I still wasn’t calling for any coach to be immediately fired because that doesn’t help the situation at all.
But I guess some people’s knees can’t help but jerk when things aren’t going the way they imagined.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:37 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Someone metioned earlier that Allen was full of cliches and such. He absolutely is like listening to a politician. I don’t care what he has to say, nor am I gonna waste my time anymore watching his interviews.
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To me, all coach interviews should be boring. If they’re interesting they’re either having a meltdown (HueJax at his last presser) or blustering like fools (every Rex Ryan press conference ever).
I’d rather my coach hide behind bland generalties and cliches while working to actually fix things behind the screen. No reason to tip your hand.
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Losing tends to make everything go south, quickly. The body language of the offense really stood out – so Allen’s resolve will be tested very early.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:37 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I’ll readily admit I probably take all this Raider football too seriously..Honestly..like Guest…I wish I didn’t.
I assumed this was a safe haven for football weirdos like me.
Some people are here just to “talk football” and they really don’t have any emotional investment in it and that’s fine.
I think it’s a positive trait for someone to be able to distance themselves from the “investment” part of it, but unreasonable to expect that on a 24/7 Raiders blog there wouldn’t be anyone that does have that investment, and a bit “uncool” (for lack of a better word) to criticize them for it.
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well said
September 12th, 2012 at 9:38 am
#613 agreed.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:38 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Someone metioned earlier that Allen was full of cliches and such. He absolutely is like listening to a politician. I don’t care what he has to say, nor am I gonna waste my time anymore watching his interviews.
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To me, all coach interviews should be boring. If they’re interesting they’re either having a meltdown (HueJax at his last presser) or blustering like fools (every Rex Ryan press conference ever).
I’d rather my coach hide behind bland generalties and cliches while working to actually fix things behind the screen. No reason to tip your hand.
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I think a good coach should have that ’serious’ quality. Bellichick comes to mind. So you might be right there guys on this one.
I will personally give DA the benefit of the doubt till week 4, but him hiring that awful ST coach and Knapp has me worried about his judgement….
September 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Does anyone else remember that stretch of 2nd half play (6 in a row, if I’m not mistaken) without a touchdown last season?
I do. And I still wasn’t calling for any coach to be immediately fired because that doesn’t help the situation at all.
But I guess some people’s knees can’t help but jerk when things aren’t going the way they imagined.
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No draft picks high enough, too many expensive players, and too many cheap players and stop gaps with injury history to back up the ones we couldnt afford to keep.
Paying the price for spending – Curry is out. Palmer isnt quite delivering and is in the wrong offense, and boy did we miss Michael Bush. He didnt light it up for Chicago, but he did score in the red zone.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
You have not considered that RGIII , wilson, and newton ARE POCKET PASSERS,
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You base that on 18 games play COMBINED between the 3?
Here is it is for you:
Russell Wilson is limited and will be benched for Flynn by Thanksgiving.
Cam Newton is the worst QB in his division
RGIII looked great against the Saints, I am eager to see him this week against the Rams and that fierce pass-rush and elite Defensive minded coach Fisher.
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I dont know why you always do this to yourself, but it is very funny.
1. I base it on their total body of work going back to college wher all three flourished throwing the ball from the pocket. If you had actually watched them play college ball and in the pre season you would also know this.
2. Russel wilson threw two game wining td’s at the end of regulation on sunday only to watch them go right through the wr’s hands. He looks like he will continue to grow into his role, and flynn would get killed behind cables line. No chance we see flynn unless wilson flops, he played well sunday. In particular in the second half
3. the siant found out what the rams will and you will be forced to admit later, RGIII kills the blitz. The saints blitzed blitzed again then blitzed more, RGIII made them look like the baylor bears practice squad, picking them apart throwing to vacated areas in the defense. He stifled them with an array of dazzling play fakes and even mixed in a few scrambles for good measure.
You dont know shid about these players, go away
September 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I wish they would let AL Saunders take over the O and dedicate Knapp to Pryor. I know most here aren’t big on Pryor but he has hunger and potential. We might as well give Pryor attention and see what he can become before his time here is over.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
To me, all coach interviews should be boring. If they’re interesting they’re either having a meltdown (HueJax at his last presser) or blustering like fools (every Rex Ryan press conference ever).
I’d rather my coach hide behind bland generalties and cliches while working to actually fix things behind the screen. No reason to tip your hand.
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I think a good coach should have that ’serious’ quality. Bellichick comes to mind. So you might be right there guys on this one.
I will personally give DA the benefit of the doubt till week 4, but him hiring that awful ST coach and Knapp has me worried about his judgement….
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Remember, the special teams coach left soon after the purge of the Jackson era began – very difficult to replace, apparently.
This is Allen’s first run, and its about getting knowledgable people that know who fits the scheme. I still cant believe Knapp had the nerve to actually campaign
for a coaching job when Kiffin was fired.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Does anyone else remember that stretch of 2nd half play (6 in a row, if I’m not mistaken) without a touchdown last season?
I do. And I still wasn’t calling for any coach to be immediately fired because that doesn’t help the situation at all.
But I guess some people’s knees can’t help but jerk when things aren’t going the way they imagined.
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You stop it right meow!!..
September 12th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Mistic, you blaming Wilson’s epic failure last Sunday on Cable?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
You have not considered that RGIII , wilson, and newton ARE POCKET PASSERS,
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And Terrelle Pryor was a pocket passer at Ohio St. , too. At least he ran a pro set. It’ll be interesting to see if he gets activated by week 4 if things continue to go South.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:43 am
@YoungAmerican
Alright, got another head scratcher for you? Really appreciate the opinion in FF. Would you trade B. Green-Ellis for Roddy White? I would be getting Roddy White. My other backs are McFadden, Forte, Bush and Alfred Morris?
I would B. Marshall, A. Brown, A. Boldin and D. Moore. I am dropping John Baldwin…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Cam Newton doesn’t look comfortable throwing in the pocket. He doesn;t have the footwork down and his motion just looked awkward.
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laughable but your take doesnt match the results on the field
He thew for 4051 yards last year, payton manning brady brees and every other rookie in nfl history looks up to cam in the history books. What are you talking about?
Cam complted 69.% of his passes sunday
you cant do these things unless you are a pocket passer genious
September 12th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@DennisAllensVisor
Wouldn’t mind your opinion again, thanks.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Steve Hoffman sells these videos on how to kick and punt footballs. I guess he overlooked the long snapping.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Born With A Patch Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I wish they would let AL Saunders take over the O and dedicate Knapp to Pryor. I know most here aren’t big on Pryor but he has hunger and potential. We might as well give Pryor attention and see what he can become before his time here is over.
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Only Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson of Arkansas are considered first round picks.
Landry Jones is projected at the third round.
T-Pryor needs to step up, and Wilson and RGIII give you good reason to hope. – still Pryor doesnt have quite the zip Wilson and RGIII have.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Should we start talking 2013 draft now?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Not a bad idea putting Knapp as a QB coach, the same position he held with Houston, and those QB,s played well…
Al Saunders would improve the O. Its nowhere but up at this point, after that awful showing vs SD.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
If you see a more uptempo game and quick no huddle plays and d is getting after TE QB and we win by a blowout then expect us to change the corner
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Does anyone else remember that stretch of 2nd half play (6 in a row, if I’m not mistaken) without a touchdown last season?
I do. And I still wasn’t calling for any coach to be immediately fired because that doesn’t help the situation at all.
But I guess some people’s knees can’t help but jerk when things aren’t going the way they imagined.
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You stop it right meow!!..
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Yes I remember it very well. I was at the Bears game. The O was non existent in the second half of the season.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Good Morning A.M. Crew!!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:47 am
http://hoffmankicking.com/wordpress/
September 12th, 2012 at 9:47 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@DennisAllensVisor
Wouldn’t mind your opinion again, thanks.
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I’d pull the trigger.
Also depends on your lineup format..
September 12th, 2012 at 9:47 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:43 am
@YoungAmerican
Alright, got another head scratcher for you? Really appreciate the opinion in FF. Would you trade B. Green-Ellis for Roddy White? I would be getting Roddy White. My other backs are McFadden, Forte, Bush and Alfred Morris?
I would B. Marshall, A. Brown, A. Boldin and D. Moore. I am dropping John Baldwin…
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Ooh that’s a tough one. BJGE isn’t flashy but he’s super reliable, and the only option the Bengals have right now. White is a #2 WR but he’ll produce – you DO have decent depth at WR already, though.
Toss up, I’m stuck on that one. Depends on if there’s another RB you can pick up in case McFadden gets injured or Morris becomes a victim of the games Shanahan tends to play with his running back depth chart.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Should we start talking 2013 draft now?
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Klas already began the Barf for Barkley campaign.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:48 am
637.Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Should we start talking 2013 draft now?
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To me, even if the Raiders were guaranteed to go 16-0, it’s never too early to talk about the draft. But I’m a geek like that.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:49 am
No response to my 602 ?
Anyone hear an explanation for that screw up ?
That penalty was precisely the sort of thing that DA promised to clean up.
Who was responsible ? Is there accountability ?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:49 am
was hoping to see a new post about all our troubles being solved LOL Sure would like to see us get plax or T.O. really think they could help and not be a distraction. work ethic alone.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Only Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson of Arkansas are considered first round picks.
Landry Jones is projected at the third round.
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Considered however, not worthy imo.
I am a USC fan. I attend the games.
Barkely is a mirage, or fools gold.
Twilson is the guy that got hammered against Louisiana Monroe.
Pass on both.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am
To me, even if the Raiders were guaranteed to go 16-0, it’s never too early to talk about the draft. But I’m a geek like that.
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That’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Were a team that still shoots our self in the foot , Plax Burris would be great with us .
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Biggest needs for the upcoming draft:
RT, LG, CB, TE, DE
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I am a USC fan. I attend the games.
Barkely is a mirage, or fools gold.
Twilson is the guy that got hammered against Louisiana Monroe.
Pass on both.
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Aaron Murray out of Georgia. Can’t say enough good things about him.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
647.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:49 am
No response to my 602 ?
Anyone hear an explanation for that screw up ?
That penalty was precisely the sort of thing that DA promised to clean up.
Who was responsible ? Is there accountability ?
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Also, the 12 men in the huddle I blame on the coaches on 4&1, WTF!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:49 am
No response to my 602 ?
Anyone hear an explanation for that screw up ?
That penalty was precisely the sort of thing that DA promised to clean up.
Who was responsible ? Is there accountability ?
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Don’t know the explanation behind it, but totally agree. That penalty was as backbreaking as TK’s false starts.
Couldn’t tell what happened there. Players seemed to have the call, and weren’t looking at the sidelines (as far as I can remember), but there was no urgency at all. Seemed like they just didn’t get set in time.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am
JT it can go up or stay the same after SD. If no improve, hand Knapp over to TP. Knapp obviously knows about the QB position, just hasn’t shown he is a consistent OC. We’re paying the guy, put him in a position where he can contribute effectively.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Born with a Patch Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I wish they would let AL Saunders take over the O and dedicate Knapp to Pryor. I know most here aren’t big on Pryor but he has hunger and potential. We might as well give Pryor attention and see what he can become before his time here is over.
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This post makes so much sense, several here will argue vehemently against it.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I guess Tommy Kelly didn’t get the memo about not jumping offsides. And why does he choose 3rd downs to do it?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:54 am
642.Klas Tjorborn Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:47 am
http://hoffmankicking.com/wordpress/
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Already ordered it. It was between that and Carol Burnett Show…I assumed (correctly) the Hoffman videos would be more humorous.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Biggest needs for the upcoming draft:
RT, LG, CB, TE, DE
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LG? Not hopefull that our 3rd round draft pick will develop? Spot on the rest. How about a change of pace back, a bigger back?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:55 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:33 am
For the simpletons who are critical of the new GM after a single regular-season game:
If you think the Raiders would have kept getting better if they left Hue in charge and let him find his own defensive coordinator, you’re lying to yourself.
No matter what, the Raiders were $22 million over the cap and needed to make some tough decisions. Hue Jackson was in no way qualified to do that. This isn’t the NFL of the 70s – to keep a franchise competitive, you need legitimate organizational structure in the front office. You need to have a GM to make those decisions.
More importantly, the GM and the head coach need to be on the same page. If not? You get situations like the one the Browns are in.
This wasn’t a Superbowl team (or even a playoff team) when last season ended, and that wasn’t going to change with Hue in charge. It’s not a Superbowl team now, either – but now it has a chance because the front office has structure and accountability. It has a continuous philosophy through the owner, president, GM, head coach, and coordinators. It won’t be limited going forward because of an unsustainable financial situation. Potential coaches and coordinators won’t be scared away from the franchise because there’s an actual executive in charge (and for those panicking, make no mistake – if the performance of the offense and special teams doesn’t change, there WILL BE changes made).
This is how a real, modern franchise runs.
Those who are calling for Dennis Allen’s head already are senseless. Seems as if they’ve learned nothing over the last two decades. Continuity of philosophy throughout the organization and consistency with the head coach are the things that make and KEEP an organization successful.
But these are things that take time to build. Especially with a situation as unique as this one, where ONE GUY ran the entire show. He’s not here anymore. The franchise NEEDED to change, and now has the mechanism in place to do so. But this kind of thing doesn’t happen overnight.
The criticism of Knapp is valid, even if he’s not the reason the Raiders lost last night. The criticism of Hoffman is also valid. There are even things to criticize Allen about – mainly not having an adequate backup plan at LS.
But those who want to blow up the new regime and start over already? These are clearly not rational individuals who understand what rebuilding a franchise entails.
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Excellent post , the best post Since the game ended
September 12th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Born With A Patch Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:53 am
JT it can go up or stay the same after SD. If no improve, hand Knapp over to TP. Knapp obviously knows about the QB position, just hasn’t shown he is a consistent OC. We’re paying the guy, put him in a position where he can contribute effectively.
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Agreed. That would be a quick in-season fix, then down the road scout for a good OC.
Al Saunders knows offense….
September 12th, 2012 at 9:56 am
What happened ? Was Krapp late getting the call in ? Communication problem ? Refs short change the Raids by starting the play clock too soon ?
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Knapp should have hiz azz upstairs in the booth.
You get a much better perspective from up top.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Should we start talking 2013 draft now?
$$$$$$$
DE & CB!
Print that.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Biggest needs for the upcoming draft:
RT, LG, CB, TE, DE
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There’s actually a pretty decent FA class of offensive linemen coming up, but a lot can happen between now and then. I like Joeckel from A&M and Cooper from UNC. Jones from ‘Bama is also a monster. Not sure if these guys will be system fits.
At TE, the UCLA and Stanford kids are promising, but something tells me the scouts are keeping an eye on Tyler Eifert. The Raiders had scouts at the ND-Purdue game.
VERY strong DE class coming up – I like Thomas, Mingo, and Werner the best thus far. Thomas would be a GREAT fit here, especially because of his experience with Tarver.
I also think the QB position can’t be ruled out – but that depends entirely on where the Raiders are picking. Top 5 pick? Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson have to be in that conversation.
Not a Barkley fan at all.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:57 am
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
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Make Al Saunders the OC and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach in order to help Terrell Pryor along in his development!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:58 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Biggest needs for the upcoming draft:
RT, LG, CB, TE, DE
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LG? Not hopefull that our 3rd round draft pick will develop? Spot on the rest. How about a change of pace back, a bigger back?
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Whoops!
Forgot about Bergs..
September 12th, 2012 at 9:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:54 am
642.Klas Tjorborn Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:47 am
http://hoffmankicking.com/wordpress/
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Already ordered it. It was between that and Carol Burnett Show…I assumed (correctly) the Hoffman videos would be more humorous.
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LOL, good one DJ
September 12th, 2012 at 9:58 am
At CB, I like Milliner, but it doesn’t seem like there’s a lights-out, “sure thing” prospect like there has been in the previous few drafts. I like Amerson’s size, but he looks like a FS to me.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Only Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson of Arkansas are considered first round picks.
Landry Jones is projected at the third round.
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Considered however, not worthy imo.
I am a USC fan. I attend the games.
Barkely is a mirage, or fools gold.
Twilson is the guy that got hammered against Louisiana Monroe.
Pass on both.
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Somebody will always emerge. Nobody even knew who Cam Newton was until 6 games into the 2010 season, then wins the Hiesman and gets drafted 1st overall. Nobody saw that coming at the start of that football season.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Speaking of instructional videos, Klas would pay big money for video by KoolKell showing how to make millions selling real estate.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I hate Knapp and wanted him fired, like, yesterday, but realistically that is not going to happen. Knapp never should have been hired in the first place, but he was, so now DA has to deal with it.
DA can’t even demote Knapp right now. If he did that to Knapp this early in the season, DA would never get another decent coordinator to even take his calls in the future, let alone come work for him.
Face it, we are stuck with Knapp for at least the first half of the year, and then if we still can’t score, maybe Allen quietly takes the play calling duties away from Knapp and has Al call the plays. We can’t change the entire playbook, but we can get someone who will call more aggressive plays, and then change it all up AGAIN next offseason.
Just my opinion on the subject.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Draft DE B Jenkins!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Jenkins is out for the season. He’ll probably go back to FSU.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Travis Tripucka
September 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Christopher Hansen @ChrisHansenNFL
-> RT @LunchMeat8: Oakland California here I come! Another opportunity couldn’t be happier! Raider nation better be ready for the lunchmeat
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Meet your new longsnapper? Travis Tripucka.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
652.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Biggest needs for the upcoming draft:
RT, LG, CB, TE, DE
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I would agree, just maybe not in that order. I would say DE, CB, TE, RT, LG
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I have been preaching this for months now. Best thing RM did, was to retain ASAUNDERS.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Long Snapper… gettin his tires kicked.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I really wanted Haley to be our new OC, did a good job in AZ and played the long ball we love so much. oh well. scouting an OC is hard cause we don’t know who is going to be jobless after the season.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I forgot about our rookie Bergstrom too….guess he hasn’t stood out much lol
DE, CB, TE, RT
September 12th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am
652.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Biggest needs for the upcoming draft:
RT, LG, CB, TE, DE
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I would agree, just maybe not in that order. I would say DE, CB, TE, RT, LG
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I guess with the ZBS, o-line isnt that much of a need.
Regardless I think the RT position is the biggest one on this team.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Born with a Patch Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I really wanted Haley to be our new OC, did a good job in AZ and played the long ball we love so much. oh well. scouting an OC is hard cause we don’t know who is going to be jobless after the season.
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Haley?
Vomit.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Man everyone in ALL media formats are going in on GKNAPP.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Barksdale & Nix, prime candidates to be cut.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Dight Howard put up 20 points and had 22 rebounds in his last game with the Magic, and his former coach said Dwight could barely walk before the game….I love you Bynum, but I am glad we replaced you with this dude!
GO LAKERS!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Dight Howard put up 20 points and had 22 rebounds in his last game with the Magic, and his former coach said Dwight could barely walk before the game….I love you Bynum, but I am glad we replaced you with this dude!
GO LAKERS!
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Ohhh NOW you wanna see it that way.. LOL.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Jenkins is out for the season. He’ll probably go back to FSU.
$$$$$$$$$$$
From that foot injury from last week?
That’s a bad idea. He should enter the draft, so we can draft him in the 3rd round.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:09 am
DA can’t even demote Knapp right now. If he did that to Knapp this early in the season, DA would never get another decent coordinator to even take his calls in the future, let alone come work for him.
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Great point Dakota
September 12th, 2012 at 10:10 am
687.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Dight Howard put up 20 points and had 22 rebounds in his last game with the Magic, and his former coach said Dwight could barely walk before the game….I love you Bynum, but I am glad we replaced you with this dude!
GO LAKERS!
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Ohhh NOW you wanna see it that way.. LOL.
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Hey, bringing up the bad back in trade negotiations is always the right thing to do lol.
And I still believe Bynum will be an offensive force once a team makes him the #1 guy…..and he will be a stud with Philly…..as long as he stays healthy of course.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Would sure like to know what was going through Krapp’s mind AFTER the delay of game was called and pushed the Raids back those crucial 5 yards.
What I really wonder is – WAS THE PLAY CALL CHANGED AFTER THE PENALTY ?
DMAC probably scores without the 5 yard penalty.
Having said that, I still don’t like the call from the 10 yard line or the 15. Would have preferred CP taking a shot in the End Zone in that situation. But that’s Knapp for you and debatable.
Would be very interested to know if Knapp stuck with the SAME call that was in place before the penalty or not.
My guess is that he went with the SAME call – even though those 5 penalty yards made scoring on that play very difficult.
Have absolutely no confidence in Knapp.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I hate Knapp and wanted him fired, like, yesterday, but realistically that is not going to happen. Knapp never should have been hired in the first place, but he was, so now DA has to deal with it.
DA can’t even demote Knapp right now. If he did that to Knapp this early in the season, DA would never get another decent coordinator to even take his calls in the future, let alone come work for him.
Face it, we are stuck with Knapp for at least the first half of the year, and then if we still can’t score, maybe Allen quietly takes the play calling duties away from Knapp and has Al call the plays. We can’t change the entire playbook, but we can get someone who will call more aggressive plays, and then change it all up AGAIN next offseason.
Just my opinion on the subject.
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You are probably right Dakota, but I am hoping that Allen quietly makes this change sooner than later. Last years debacle against Buffalo was the cue that Bresnehan needed to go but Al Davis did not allow it.
Hue had another opportunity after the Detroit debacle and didn’t do it.
After the travesty we saw last Monday night, there is no need to wait until half the season is over to quietly reassign Knapp and Saunders to roles better suited for the team.
Allen took a leap of faith and hired his buddy, and it failed miserably. He needs to correct it quickly!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thec Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Man everyone in ALL media formats are going in on GKNAPP.
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Links please?
September 12th, 2012 at 10:14 am
When FatHead Cable takes over playcalling duties because you suck…well then…you probably suck.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:15 am
There is no reason why Saunders couldn’t be calling plays.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
618, Born with a patch says…
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Sharper is on NFLN now. It’s kind of a sought after gig for former players i’d assume.
I don’t see him dumping that to play another yr. and risk that gig not being there when he retires again.
You don’t see much of Rod Woodson anymore since he left the “jetwork”.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
ArmChair GM Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thec Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Man everyone in ALL media formats are going in on GKNAPP.
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Links please?
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Yes!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:16 am
The people in here saying Knapp won’t be fired/demoted are right in that it likely won’t happen anytime soon. Knapp will be given just enough rope to choke himself, and he will. But by that time, season will be flushed down the toilet and we can all look forward to playing the spoiler role and talk about next year’s draft picks.
It’s like a slow speed trainwreak. Still time to get in front of it to switch tracks, but the “realists” all tell us that’s how it is with the new reggime, and we should relax and let this thing happen. Trust them because they know best. It makes me squirm to watch Knapp on the sidelines, knowing what’s coming.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Phins and Raiders match up pretty well.
-On offense they have Bush and little else we have Mcfadden and little else.
-An underrated OL like ours
-strong front 7
-Very thin at secondary
The difference is Palmer>Tannehill that could be the key plus ST to do a better job as well.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am
693.ArmChair GM Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thec Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Man everyone in ALL media formats are going in on GKNAPP.
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Links please?
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Yes…please. I’d like to see that.
If it gets out in the media enough more people notice it and it becomes an “issue” that at least asks to be addressed..
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am
SD did exactly what they should have done, mitigate the big plays by DMAC. Good game planning by the disc however, KNAPP should have been able to counter what they were doing.
One of the main thing I was looking for was, how we would handle halftime adjustments?
KNAPP made ZERO halftime adjusments that were worth anything.
JCONDO doesn’t go down we win that game.
This loss was felt like 3;
1. Division game
2. Its the disc
3. we are 0-1
Not a fan of KNAPP however, the sky is still blue, and in place.
The D looked very solid, and if that is an indication of the D potential, they will keep us in games.
Sunday will be a tough matchup however, with the D I believe will prevail.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Thec Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am
KNAPP made ZERO halftime adjusments that were worth anything.
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Exactly…. signs of a good coach is to adapt, change, motivate, etc.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
ArmChair GM,
I would agree that it needs to be done as soon as possible in terms of saving this season, but we have to remember that part of what DA and Reggie have to do to get this franchise going in the LONG RUN, is project a level of stability that has not been around here since the Gruden days. Until they successfully stabilize this team in the eyes of all of the coaches, players and their agents, we are going to struggle to get quality individuals into Oakland to help us take it to the next level.
Immediately firing, or even quietly demoting Knapp, will do long-term damage to Reggie’s & DA’s credibility and will further the belief that the Raiders are not a quality franchise in the eyes of many around the league.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
When you dress 4 WRs, 2 of them rookies, 1 of them signed 4 days prior… Im thinking its gonna be a tough day at the office.
#Reality
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
JCONDO doesn’t go down we win that game.
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Not true.
Because of the 22-6 lead, SD gave up the short ball, knowing we would run out of time.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
If we’re signing a Vet WR, it has to happen today.
If not its Moore/DHB/Streeter/Hagan/Criner this week.
I think they will roll with them personally.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 am
693.ArmChair GM Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Thec Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Man everyone in ALL media formats are going in on GKNAPP.
_______________________________________________________
Links please?
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Yes…please. I’d like to see that.
If it gets out in the media enough more people notice it and it becomes an “issue” that at least asks to be addressed..
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This is my main reason for keeping the “DEMOTE GREG KNAPP” blog petition going…
Media outlets DO read this blog. If the media has now publicly began reporting criticisms of Knapp and his offense, Allen and Mckenzie will be forced to address it SOONER rather that LATER!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
If we’re bringing in Tripucka, it must mean Condo’s concussion tests are not going well and Goethel’s not picking it up.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Why is it that our ST play has been so bad? did the coaching staff dedicate some ST time on O and D because our ST has normally been so good? No reason for our coverage to look so bad. And thats in addition to not having a servicable backup Long Snappa
September 12th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Travis Tripucka @LunchMeat8
Oakland California here I come! Another opportunity couldn’t be happier! Raider nation better be ready for the lunchmeat
Just tweetted
September 12th, 2012 at 10:26 am
KNAPP made ZERO halftime adjusments that were worth anything.
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He didn’t the first time he was with us, why would he change now? Actually its worse than that… its not that he doesn’t make half time adjustments, he doesn’t seem to make ANYTIME adjustments. Its almost as if he is oblivious to anything the defense is doing. Its maddening.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Immediately firing, or even quietly demoting Knapp, will do long-term damage to Reggie’s & DA’s credibility and will further the belief that the Raiders are not a quality franchise in the eyes of many around the league.
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As opposed to the laughable gut-busting sloppy second half of play when everyone in the media collectively said, “Raiders suck, why did I think they had turned the corner? LMAO”. Cuz, you know that’s what they are all saying right now. They want us to fail. They have no sympathy. So why should we care what they think? Continuity of this clown run offense for the sake of Reggie’s cred will be just as damaging over a long stretch of the season. Damned either way I guess.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:28 am
703.Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:20 am
ArmChair GM,
I would agree that it needs to be done as soon as possible in terms of saving this season, but we have to remember that part of what DA and Reggie have to do to get this franchise going in the LONG RUN, is project a level of stability that has not been around here since the Gruden days. Until they successfully stabilize this team in the eyes of all of the coaches, players and their agents, we are going to struggle to get quality individuals into Oakland to help us take it to the next level.
Immediately firing, or even quietly demoting Knapp, will do long-term damage to Reggie’s & DA’s credibility and will further the belief that the Raiders are not a quality franchise in the eyes of many around the league.
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But another double digit loss season would do more damage in the eyes around the league.
Guys can say “but at least they are showing stability”, but on the other hand nobody wants to be associated with losers.
IF a change in at least the play calling is “quietly” made and we win because of it, the “change” with Knapp will be much over-shadowed by the winning.
It will show that the org is serious about winning and will do what it takes to get it done. People like to be around “winners”.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Speaking of instructional videos, Klas would pay big money for video by KoolKell showing how to make millions selling real estate
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As a bonus, maybe he will toss in his best selling “Work? Not me! That’s my wife’s job!”
September 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
705.Piranha Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
JCONDO doesn’t go down we win that game.
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Not true.
Because of the 22-6 lead, SD gave up the short ball, knowing we would run out of time.
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If condo didn’t go down, they wouldn’t have had a 22-6 lead. Condo going down placed SD in FG range 3 times! the score could have been 13-6 with how our D held up. But i still put the loss on Knapp because of his inability to adjust. We should not have been punting in the first place, especially after Condo went down.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
It’s very easy to criticize Knapp for too much short stuff and the over reliance on DMAC Monday night.
Heck, that was obvious. Any objective observer could see that at this pace he’s going to get DMAC killed. When you don’t have a pass completion longer than 15 yards until the 3rd qtr – you’re taking stretching the field horizontally to absurd levels.
Easy valid criticism.
But once you get past that, you’ve got to wonder about the play calling INSIDE THE RED ZONE.
Can someone refresh my memory ? Was there a single pass attempt into the end zone besides the one that was nearly intercepted ?
We already KNOW from the pre-season that scoring from the 1 or 2 yard line is going to take an act of Congress.
Maybe Knapp should consider passing it in from outside the 10.
Nah.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:31 am
712.guest123 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Immediately firing, or even quietly demoting Knapp, will do long-term damage to Reggie’s & DA’s credibility and will further the belief that the Raiders are not a quality franchise in the eyes of many around the league.
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As opposed to the laughable gut-busting sloppy second half of play when everyone in the media collectively said, “Raiders suck, why did I think they had turned the corner? LMAO”. Cuz, you know that’s what they are all saying right now. They want us to fail. They have no sympathy. So why should we care what they think? Continuity of this clown run offense for the sake of Reggie’s cred will be just as damaging over a long stretch of the season. Damned either way I guess.
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I agree they are laughing at us again, but I don’t think they want us to fail necessarily. Guys just get sick of playing us up only to have us make em look stupid for doing so.
Playing the Raiders up has been a bad bet and guys are going out on a limb to do so.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I am angry that our ambassador to Libya (from Liberty) was strangled to death yesterday. This would not have happened under another administration in my opinion, except possibly the Carter group. I hope people will remember this in November, but I doubt it. I don’t advocate war with Libya, but some folks need justice meted out because they are evil and evil will keep right on killing until it is stopped.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
713. Agree with all of what you said, but I’ll add another. It will tell the world that the Raiders are no longer about playing favorites and scholarships. Accountability will finally be a word that has some teeth to it. And that sends shockwaves thru the entire org.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
It all starts with the run blocking.
If we could run the ball that would open up the passing game.
Same thing happened in Houston vs the Dolphins. Houston couldnt run initially, game was close.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:33 am
You guys might be right….I guess we shall see. I was pissed when DA hired Knapp, just like I was pissed when Al promoted Chucky to DC….it sucks knowing that we have good teams being held back by crap coaches.
I still am holding out hope that Knapp learned SOMETHING while holding a clip board for the Texans, but thus far, it just looks like the plain old KNAPP TIME offense.
fk
September 12th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Letting DVD go is proving to be a mistake. Sign Rock. Find some receivers who can catch and don’t complain about having a job. Maybe a long snapper or two would be good too.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Until Veldheer/Carlisle/Wiz/Bresiel/Barnes get on the same page in the run game, we will not win.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
715,
Good point. Maybe if we didn’t have to punt so damn much due to Knapps bs play calling it wouldn’t have cost us the ballgame.
The sad part is that I don’t even think SD is that good.
Another case in a long line of times where Raiders make so so teams look like SB champs.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
If Wiz doesn’t start next week, I will be calling for DA’s head! I know he was injured early in camp, but come on!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Has BSJ showed up yet?
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Born with a Patch Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
705.Piranha Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
JCONDO doesn’t go down we win that game.
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Not true.
Because of the 22-6 lead, SD gave up the short ball, knowing we would run out of time.
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If condo didn’t go down, they wouldn’t have had a 22-6 lead. Condo going down placed SD in FG range 3 times! the score could have been 13-6 with how our D held up. But i still put the loss on Knapp because of his inability to adjust. We should not have been punting in the first place, especially after Condo went down.
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Exactly….Not sure what the guy who posted at 705 is seeing.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
If Wiz doesn’t start next week, I will be calling for DA’s head! I know he was injured early in camp, but come on!
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Cant start a guy who’s had 4 practices in a new system, especially a Center who is responsible for the line calls.
He’ll be in there this week.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
YoungAmerican speaking stone cold truth.
The organization has to be aligned…its not a mix and match of philosophies….it all has to aligned so that players are drafted/signed based on the system, assistant coaches recruited to teach a specific system.
And then keep it consistent. Al’s major flaw was rolling through coaches too quickly.
The Raiders HIRED A GM WHO CAME FROM A WCO based team. Guess what? Good chance he’s implementing a WCO program. DA is WCO and so is Knapp.
Hopefully the players on the roster can adjust and make it work…which they should given that a lot of them are here because of superior skill sets.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
ND moving to the ACC….well, but not the football program.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:37 am
neilb Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Has BSJ showed up yet?
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1. either a self imposed foot in mouth ban.
2. one of these new phantom alias posters.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:37 am
ArmChair GM Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
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This is my main reason for keeping the “DEMOTE GREG KNAPP” blog petition going…
Media outlets DO read this blog. If the media has now publicly began reporting criticisms of Knapp and his offense, Allen and Mckenzie will be forced to address it SOONER rather that LATER!
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You can’t be serious.
You know how many blogs there are? Just on Raiders?
Not to mention web sites forums? Where everyone posting is actually unique, unlike here where 10 different posters are actually just one person?
Add into the fact this blog allows political crap to clog up the exchanges, that are frequently just childish insults?
Blogs don’t have topics that posters post on. Forums do. On forums writers can glance, see a subject, and click on that one subject to get fans views.
Here it’s a smorgasbord of rambling crap.
Sorry son, writers can’t be bothered reading blogs..maybe except for the author of the blog.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Man, that Streater fumble was huge.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
YoungAmerican,
I remember Hue’s offense going into hibernation for just about every 2nd half game.
I also remember the duds in Green Bay and Miami as well.
Interesting how this offensive genious is now an ASSISTANT DB coach in Cinicinnati.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
729.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
If Wiz doesn’t start next week, I will be calling for DA’s head! I know he was injured early in camp, but come on!
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Cant start a guy who’s had 4 practices in a new system, especially a Center who is responsible for the line calls.
He’ll be in there this week.
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Did he miss all of the OTA’s? He probably got some work in the system during that time, at least was able to study the system, unless he was injured then too….I don’t remember.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
ND moving to the ACC….well, but not the football program.
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The Football program will play 4 ACC games a year, so half way move for them LOL.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
729.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Dakota Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 am
If Wiz doesn’t start next week, I will be calling for DA’s head! I know he was injured early in camp, but come on!
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Cant start a guy who’s had 4 practices in a new system, especially a Center who is responsible for the line calls.
He’ll be in there this week.
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Did he miss all of the OTA’s? He probably got some work in the system during that time, at least was able to study the system, unless he was injured then too….I don’t remember.
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Yea bro, he had shoulder surgery after the season ended, was out all off-season until the start of camp. Then the calf injury…
September 12th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Thec Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Born with a Patch Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
705.Piranha Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am
JCONDO doesn’t go down we win that game.
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Not true.
Because of the 22-6 lead, SD gave up the short ball, knowing we would run out of time.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If condo didn’t go down, they wouldn’t have had a 22-6 lead. Condo going down placed SD in FG range 3 times! the score could have been 13-6 with how our D held up. But i still put the loss on Knapp because of his inability to adjust. We should not have been punting in the first place, especially after Condo went down.
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Exactly….Not sure what the guy who posted at 705 is seeing.
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Our lone TD came in garbage time, less than a minute left, AFTER WE HAD ALREADY BEEN STOPPED ON 4TH DOWN, BUT GOT ANOTHER SERIES BECAUSE OF A ROUGHING PENALTY.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Dakota, I would add that I hope Knapp learned something from the SD game too.
It’s all about winning.
I hope this regime concentrates on that over anything else…including hurting the current OC’s feelings.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I doubt we pick up a new WR however, KNAPP creates a schematic and play calls a game that has JCRINER in for 2 plays the whole game….Brilliant.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Anyone else read Tuesday morning quarterback on espn.com? Interesting view ’bout the condo injury.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Another thing that made me mad is when the camera showed Goethel on the sidelines, he wasn’t working on his long snap! If i had embarrased the org on primetime i would be working my a$$ off on the sideline to make sure it didn’t happen a second and third time! If he wasn’t working on it on his own, why didn’t any coach get on him and tell him to practice?
September 12th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Not a fan of KNAPP however, the sky is still blue, and in place.
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Of course the sky is still blue.
The problem is, it’s covered with nasty looking clouds.
But even now, in the midst of a Krapp storm – we must keep our spirits up…
EVERY CLOUD HAS A SILVER AND BLACK LINING !
September 12th, 2012 at 10:46 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
I also remember the duds in Green Bay and Miami as well.
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Good point. But it didn’t help when his QB was throwing into quadruple coverage. I was at the Green Bay game and Carson looked pathetic.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I donk get these so called raider fans mocking other fans whith these the sky is falling taunts.. i get sick and have head and back pain when we lose.. dont mock me for being upset about us not being playoff calaber yet again.. you may not care if we stink. But some of us do!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Knapps only relation to glory is that he worked in SF, under a Bill Walsh system, under Mariucci…
Other than that, he is a QB coach at most.
I wish the guy no ill feelings, but he has no business operating a modern offense vs these pressure defenses of nowadays
September 12th, 2012 at 10:50 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Man, that Streater fumble was huge.
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Yeah it was…that drive was a TD drive!!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:57 am
I’m not advocating PANIC but it seems like kind of an attitude of “we’ll be fine, just get ready for Miami and all is good”.
DA mentioned at his post game presser that Moore could’ve played but he decided to keep him out cuz “it’s a long season” and “it’s a marathon not a sprint”.
I totally get that you don’t wanna have a key guy risk severe injury by throwing him out there too soon….I do, but…I hope that DA realizes…and Palmer too (since he made the “marathon” comment as well) that this game against Miami is HUUUUUUGE…”IF” this team has playoff aspirations.
There is not time to talk about “everythings fine… we’ll be there in the end” if you lose to Miami and you have Peyton Manning and the Pittsburgh waiting in the wings.
And let’s be honest. If we can’t beat SD at home in the “New Era of Excellence” debut in front of a packed house at O.Co. and can’t beat Miami in a “must win” game, what are our chances of taking care of Manning and outsmarting Dick LeBeau?
September 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Actually they did show a shot of Goethel working on snapping on the sideline. And please let’s stop going crazy asking for Knapp to get fired already. What did you expect to happen with a rookie free agent and a journeymen possession guy as 2 of your top 3 wideouts??? I know we all want instant success but it’s going to take sometime to fix the mess the old man left behind.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Arnchair,
I’m wih ya but where are u seeing this criticism of Knapp in the media?
Are we misunderstanding you? You seemed to be saying it already exists out there.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:13 am
750.Jaysohn Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Actually they did show a shot of Goethel working on snapping on the sideline. And please let’s stop going crazy asking for Knapp to get fired already. What did you expect to happen with a rookie free agent and a journeymen possession guy as 2 of your top 3 wideouts??? I know we all want instant success but it’s going to take sometime to fix the mess the old man left behind.
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The “out of whack” contracts? Yes, but the only significant guys that were lost from an 8-8 team which was one defensive stop from the AFC West title are the leader in PI penalties (Routt) and a pass rusher who had ONE GAME where he stood out (Wimbley). Curry being out has nothing to do with anything “the old man” did.
We lost our TE (Boss) which could be indirectly attributed to “the old man” and him creating a bad cap situation that would not allow us to keep him, and we also lost Bush. If u wanna say that is “the old man’s” fault then ok, but essentially this is the same team from last season.
THIS IS NOT A 3-13 EXPANSION TEAM Reggie inherited no matter how much you guys wanna exempt Reggie from any culpability for how this season turns out.
Geez. When are we going to expect more from who we have now and quit blaming Al Davis for everything.
We were 8-8 two yrs. in a row. NOT 3-13 and on the downslide.
September 12th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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Get it done!