Replacement refs cost Raiders one final play Monday
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, September 11th, 2012 at 12:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The NFL acknowledged that its replacement officials erred in not giving the Raiders an untimed play at the end of the game Monday night.
Rules state that when a game ends on a punt, and the kicking team is the first to touch the ball, the receiving team is permitted one untimed play.
As it turned out, the Chargers downed the punt at the Raiders 5-yard line with no time on the clock. Players and officials walked off the field at that point, without any discussion or ruling.
NFL vice president of officiating Carl Johnson told Yahoo Sports’ Jason Cole that, indeed, the Raiders should have been given one play from their own 5-yard line.
So, not only did the officials not know the rule, Raiders coach Dennis Allen and his staff are guilty of not being aware of the situation.
This isn’t to say the officials cost the Raiders the game. The Raiders would have had to score a 95-yard touchdown and convert the two-point attempt just to tie the game.
Still, you never know.
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Send him back to Houston or Seattle for all I care
September 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Add me to that list.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Fire that FUÇK!!!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Fire him out of a cannon and into the bay!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
What, you mean we missed the chance to suffer through another poorly thrown Palmer throw or maybe another Run play where McSkinny gets stuffed for a two yard loss? I know, I know… How about an off-sides penalty followed by an uninspiring Palmer dump off to whoever for no gain? Darn those sucky refs…
September 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I’ve been watching the NFL for 30 years now and had no idea that rule existed.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Best back in the nfl gets 2 yds a carry! FUÇK YOU KNAPP!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
The offense has DIGRESSED. The abysmal offensive output of the preseason was confirmed again last night.
Greg Knapp is responsible for this. Accountability begins from the top. Either the players were not ready to play, the right plays were not called, or the scheme is not conducive to the players on the field.
Or ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Greg Knapp must be relieved of his play calling duties!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Its just a fuçking tragedy….
September 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
FIRE KNAPP FROM A CANNON INTO THE BAY!!!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Make Al Saunders the OC in charge of Play calling, and reinstitute the POWER Blocking scheme that was the best in the NFL for the first 6 weeks of the season until DMAC got injured!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
FIRE KNAPP FROM A CANNON INTO THE BAY!!!!!!
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Hahahahaha!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
It’s not as bad as it seemed…….
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-morning-after-pill.html
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Knapp,Allen,Bottom lip.All to blame.Starts with Bottom Lip.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Make Al Saunders the OC in charge of Play calling, and reinstitute the POWER Blocking scheme that was the best in the NFL for the first 6 weeks of the season until DMAC got injured!
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No chance with the power-blocking. Our linemen spent the entire summer learning the ZBS, and that’s what we’re going with this year.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Norv’s Tuner ‘Don Coryell old time offense’ looked better that Knapp’s vaunted zone blocking BS.
Its an insult to any intelligent raider fan seeing that guy in the sidelines.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Its not all dumps either.. he just calls for routts at 0 to 1yd deep all day…
September 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I can’t figure out why we brought him back after the last stint. He sucked then and still does! It was our defense that needed help, our offense was starting to look promising with that pedicure guy whoever that was.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Rebuildoffs….
September 11th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Your right duck.. we wont change the scheme.. we’ll just suck.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I’d rather have the “pedicure” offense than this pu**y scheme that Knapp has brought to the Raiders!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Quote from the Examiner, sums things up pretty simply:
Knapp’s taken some of the pattern combinations used by the 2007 New England Patriots, specifically the tight-end following the back in double-crossing patterns, but ran them from tighter formations, thus restricting the yard-after-the-catch potential that pass combo offers.
The Patriots run that combo from a four-wide-out offense, or a formation that spreads the defense, thus allowing for it to work as it has. Knapp appears to have borrowed this without really, fully understanding why it works. Moreover, he had two variations of this theme, both worked to gain yards, but again out of running formations.
The Raiders must stop doing this. The best solution is a variation of the formations from The Pistol Offense. Also, Knapp’s using a very simple set of wide-receivers clearing for backs passing combos, when he also has to get the wide receivers open. Perhaps due to lack of knowledge of how to do this, Knapp gave us and the Chargers a steady diet of short passes to Darren McFadden – too many of them. It’s as if Knapp was using McFadden to mask problems in the Raiders game plan.
The Raiders can elect to deal with this problem and not win, or reassign Greg Knapp, and win. It’s that simple.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Make Al Saunders the OC in charge of Play calling, and reinstitute the POWER Blocking scheme that was the best in the NFL for the first 6 weeks of the season until DMAC got injured!
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Wishful thinking.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Add me to this list. I “WARNED” people about Bresnahan last year and I “WARNED” them about Knapp this year. How do these people get jobs? Look at how well Houston played once they got rid of Knapp. You know Texans fans felt the pain last night.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
No one is getting fired after week 1 especially when you only lost by a TD and it was due mainly to Special Teams play. All that talk is a waste of time.
But I do agree the play calling needs to improve and I dont like the Zone Blocking scheme.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Never say put your pants again!!! Omoran is american.. balkey from perfect strangers….. Lame
September 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Marks Hair
Fire Knapp via cannon across the bay, make his greasy azz land in 9er stadium!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Add me to the dump Knapp petition.
That was one of the worst called offensive games I’ve seen since bed ‘n breakfast. It was pretty clear that SD D-Coordinator told the strong safety and linebackers to just key on DMAC at all times because Oakland was only going to him. Knapp had no plan B. Actually I don’t think Carson played bad at all – he just had nothing to work with. By the end of the game, the fans in the stadium turned on the Oak offense. That stink ‘n dunk office of Knapp’s better get better fast or fans are going to make it ugly for him at the games. The look on DA’s face seemed like he wasn’t real happy with the play calling, either.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
The offense has DIGRESSED. The abysmal offensive output of the preseason was confirmed again last night.
Greg Knapp is responsible for this. Accountability begins from the top. Either the players were not ready to play, the right plays were not called, or the scheme is not conducive to the players on the field.
Or ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Greg Knapp must be relieved of his play calling duties!
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The person who hired knapptime is to blame.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Happy Kneejerk Tuesday, everyone!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Rebuildoffs.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
8.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:49 am
They have to get rid of Knapp..sooner rather than later..gonna be another wasted year. Have to adapt offense to talent strengths not force talent to system.
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agreed
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EXACTLY!!!!
Demote or Fire Knapp….AGAIN and have Al Saunders call the offensive plays!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Glad they signed Reece BUT it doesnt do any good if Krappy takes him out and put Schmidt in. Lousy plays yesterday.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
32. Hahaha
September 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
aig-raiders Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Glad they signed Reece BUT it doesnt do any good if Krappy takes him out and put Schmidt in. Lousy plays yesterday.
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Agreed. Makes no sense at all to carry two fullbacks. It’s not like Schmitt is Lawrence Vickers or anything.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I don’t know what skin disease the coach of San Diego has, but I swear he must be zoombie or something. Every time I see him, he looks worse. He looks like someone poisoned him with ricen.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Fire Knapp, let Saunders/Palmer call offense, also allow Saunders to take over ST coaching.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Knappy doesn’t even know how to take advantage of Reeces mismatches and he doesn’t even know to call stop and go routes or SCREENS!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
It looks like a 3 yr project… minimum.. knapp will get fired at some point.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
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I’m not buying it and I don’t even like Knapp’s play calling and probably never will.
In the first place we’ve played exactly ONE fuk’n game.
You don’t fire the offensive coordinator after one game.
In the second place Knapp had some success in Houston and may here too.
I’ve only had time to watch the first half but
in the first half the offense was moving the ball and the first drive was only stalled by Streeter-playing his first NFL game on MNF-coughing it up.
The second they moved the ball and scored with a FG.
The third drive they were moving again until T.Jones fumbled the reverse.
Over eight minutes of time in the first half was taken up by the Raider defense begging the dischargers to continue their drive which started on the ten with penalalties (thanks Kelly).
I think the defense had three real bad penalties on that scoring drive that let the dischargers score.
I still say: New coach, new system, relatively new QB, new players=they’re going to make some mistakes.
If you were expecting a superbowl then you weren’t paying attention.
It’s still going to be around 8-8 and we should win next week.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
352.JT Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
XHOWIE75x Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Been a long time reader of this blog going back five or six years now. But felt I had to comment after last nights game.
I hate to keep beating a dead horse but if you remember, before Hue we were terrible against the AFC West. I dont even know the infamous record we had from 2003 thru 2009.
As soon as Hue took over our offense we were 9-3 against our AFC west foes. Cant ignore those facts. I will take that over a two period against our division rivals any day.
Last night looked like the team from 2007. Sad sad day my nation brothers. 1 step forward 3 steps back.
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well said. Hue made that offense tough, and its the reason we had SD’s numbers there for a while. Now its back to same ol same ol
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Yep.
Hue was turning the team around and all he needed was a REAL DC and more discipline.
I thought DA and this new ERA were going to clean up the discipline problems??
Yeah right.
The Knapp hire and switching to his whack old new offensive playbook has already proven to be a bad move.
Not keeping Bush around will prove costly as well. Knapp wouldn’t know how to use Bush anyways and he will get DMC killed!
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Like I said, I hate looking into the past and like to move forward.
But last night, I could not help myself thinking how we would do against that SD defense with our scheme from last year.
Like someone mentioned a few weeks ago, that no huddle game plan against SD on Thursday night was pure fire!!
We were fast, throwing the deep ball, keeping em off balance with well timed screens, and power running plays with pulling guards.
That was raider offensive football at its finest. And that is what our personnel dicates we should run. Now we are stuck with this square peg round hole offense that no one fits.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Sad sad day.. but those of us that werent smoking kool aid like crack… we saw this comming for months.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
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I’m not buying it and I don’t even like Knapp’s play calling and probably never will.
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Knapp is going to get DMAC killed by week 3. He made no adjustments in the second half to neutralize the SD pass rush. He completely underused Marcel Reece. He sucked, plain and simple.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
45.Marks hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
It looks like a 3 yr project… minimum.. knapp will get fired at some point.
^^^^^^^
Knapp should not make it through the year.
Saunders should take over play calling and get back more power pulling, trapping and counter blocking and more downfield passing with more screens as well!
Run more of what they ran last year on offense!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Sorry, im not jumping off the bridge after 1 week.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Please add me to the “time for a Dirt Knapp” petition.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Not happy with the lack of deep shots late in the game, but I’ll reserve my judgement on the playcalling for when the execution doesn’t suck as well.
Hard to judge the playcalling when your WRs aren’t getting open (and when they do they fumble the ball after a big gain), a Taiwan Jones fumble puts you 35 yards away from a first down, two third-down false starts result in a long drive and SD’s only TD, and when you DO punt it results in three turnovers deep in your own territory.
Being in that situation doesn’t leave a lot of room for a playcaller to be creative.
With that said, Knapp waited until the 4th quarter to get the TEs and Reece involved. Should have done a better job game planning with the inexperience the Raiders had at WR for this matchup. Wasn’t happy with that.
But Palmer made plenty of things happen on the field, and the supporting cast let him down. It wasn’t just the playcalling – Knapp is just an easy scapegoat for those of us who weren’t sold on him in the first place.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Greg Knapp’s offense is a square peg in a round hole.
It DOES NOT fit the personnel that we have on offense. Knapp was hired because he brown nosed Dennis Allen, not because he was the BEST man for the job!
He IS NOT in the best interests of the Raider organization!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Its too late to save our offense… we wasted months on it… this yrs just dead.. id do a fire sale and try to salvage a top pick…
September 11th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
GOOD AFTERNOON NATION !!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
nyraider is spot on…reggie gets big freakin fail
keep spittin the truth ny….
September 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
ArmChair.. please sir add my name to the list
thank you .
September 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Knapp would have called a draw to McFadden if we were allowed that one last play….
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
my daughteris a third grade teacher.
she was telling her class that the only animal that stutters
are humans. one of the little girls in her class raised her hand and
said ” Mrs. Walker, my cat stutters. yesterday kitty was in the backyard
next to the neighbors fence and when their Rottweiler started barking my
kitty went ffiff fifff fifff… and before she could say f*ck the dog jumped the
fence and ate her !!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Move to LA. Maybe we can learn how to win through osmosis by being near the Lakers..
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Was the Rams greatest show on turf O a WCO? Because if so we didn’t resemble it at all except Dmac catching passes like Mfaulk. But I can see Dmoore and Jford in the roles of Ibruce and Jford as Tholt.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m not buying it and I don’t even like Knapp’s play calling and probably never will.
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Knapp is going to get DMAC killed by week 3. He made no adjustments in the second half to neutralize the SD pass rush. He completely underused Marcel Reece. He sucked, plain and simple.
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Like I said AC, I haven’t had time to watch the 2nd half yet.
I did see that the stats said McFadden touched the ball 28 of 52 snaps and it’s pretty fuk’n obvious what the dischargers would do with that.
It’s still the first game of the season though.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I know we lost the game but i am encouraged by what i saw from a few players. One player inparticular jumped off the screen last night, carson palmer.
Carson turned in his best performance as a raider by far. he ddint have multiple td’s, he didnt throw for four hundred yards, he wasnt enough to carry the team to victory on his back, but he doesnt need to be either.
Carson only made 2 throws that I didnt like for the entire game. One at the end of half when the ball bounced off 2 defenders in the endzone ( very nearly picked off and would have cuased me to judge his performance very differnetly), and one deep pass down the seam to a double covered DHB. these are the plays carson must eliminate to be consitent and solid.
for the other 98% of the game he was under control and making the right decisions. When palmer dials it down and stays patient like last night he is waaaaayyyyy better. I would like to see him now string 2-3 games together in a row where he takes the same approach as last night sans the 2 throws into double coverage.
Also he tends to be very erratic when moving toward the lie of scrimmage. This isnt a major concern though, incompleteions you can live with picks will kill you.
Plenty of blame to go around but none should be assigned to carson. best game he has played as a raider
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
rec not getting open cuz reggie gave away our speed! criner, streater, and hagan are not scaring anyone….
September 11th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Not happy with the lack of deep shots late in the game, but I’ll reserve my judgement on the playcalling for when the execution doesn’t suck as well.
Hard to judge the playcalling when your WRs aren’t getting open (and when they do they fumble the ball after a big gain), a Taiwan Jones fumble puts you 35 yards away from a first down, two third-down false starts result in a long drive and SD’s only TD, and when you DO punt it results in three turnovers deep in your own territory.
Being in that situation doesn’t leave a lot of room for a playcaller to be creative.
With that said, Knapp waited until the 4th quarter to get the TEs and Reece involved. Should have done a better job game planning with the inexperience the Raiders had at WR for this matchup. Wasn’t happy with that.
But Palmer made plenty of things happen on the field, and the supporting cast let him down. It wasn’t just the playcalling – Knapp is just an easy scapegoat for those of us who weren’t sold on him in the first place.
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Ding Ding Ding!!!!..
September 11th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Whut up Mike? Simply by taking play-calling away from Knapp should improve the results, Saunders would get things moving imo.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
and one deep pass down the seam to a double covered DHB. these are the plays carson must eliminate to be consitent and solid.
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DHB ran the wrong route on that one.
Agreed, Palmer did everything he could – but that near-pick in the end zone was UGLY.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
rec not getting open cuz reggie gave away our speed! criner, streater, and hagan are not scaring anyone….
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What?
Please re-think your statement.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
quit giving them a pass…no excuses for these sorry coaches and management…
September 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
they are slow!!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
and one deep pass down the seam to a double covered DHB. these are the plays carson must eliminate to be consitent and solid.
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DHB ran the wrong route on that one.
Agreed, Palmer did everything he could – but that near-pick in the end zone was UGLY.
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1/2 a foot higher and its a TD..
September 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I agree that knapps scheme did not work here last time. Especially for DMAC
Maybe the raiders should bring hue back as OC or at least look at film of last yr offense an use that scheme.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I can’t wait to hear more objective, informative, and tooootally not half-cocked insight from Al_is_theraiders.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
54.ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Greg Knapp’s offense is a square peg in a round hole.
It DOES NOT fit the personnel that we have on offense. Knapp was hired because he brown nosed Dennis Allen, not because he was the BEST man for the job!
He IS NOT in the best interests of the Raider organization!
^^^^^^^^
Yup!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Trade for Hue Jackson as OC! He is probably bored washing jocks in Cinci!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
they are slow!!!!!
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1. Streater ran a 4.37
2. Moore & Ford are our speed guys.
3. Murphy the only guy who was traded.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I have something to say about the argument that the Raiders had no trouble moving the ball in the first quarter. If you play Madden, on occasion, youll run into the player who is GREAT for 1 quarter, then gets smashed the last 3 quarters after the other player finds out how to stop the same 4 plays that they keep calling. Knapps playcalling looked just like a novice Madden player. Not really what I want to see out of an NFL O-Co. Sorry.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
rec not getting open cuz reggie gave away our speed! criner, streater, and hagan are not scaring anyone….
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They’re all better than Murphy. Two of them each had more catches last night.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I know we lost the game but i am encouraged by what i saw from a few players. One player inparticular jumped off the screen last night, carson palmer.
Carson turned in his best performance as a raider by far. he ddint have multiple td’s, he didnt throw for four hundred yards, he wasnt enough to carry the team to victory on his back, but he doesnt need to be either.
Carson only made 2 throws that I didnt like for the entire game. One at the end of half when the ball bounced off 2 defenders in the endzone ( very nearly picked off and would have cuased me to judge his performance very differnetly), and one deep pass down the seam to a double covered DHB. these are the plays carson must eliminate to be consitent and solid.
for the other 98% of the game he was under control and making the right decisions. When palmer dials it down and stays patient like last night he is waaaaayyyyy better. I would like to see him now string 2-3 games together in a row where he takes the same approach as last night sans the 2 throws into double coverage.
Also he tends to be very erratic when moving toward the lie of scrimmage. This isnt a major concern though, incompleteions you can live with picks will kill you.
Plenty of blame to go around but none should be assigned to carson. best game he has played as a raider
______________________________________________________
Mistic-
I’ve given you a lotta static for your posts sometimes, but let me be the first to stand up and salute you brah.
This was a stand up post by you man. Much respect for this.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I know we lost the game but i am encouraged by what i saw from a few players. One player inparticular jumped off the screen last night, carson palmer.
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You suprise me Mistic.
Both by what you said and the fact that you’re right.
32 of 46 for 297 yards and no interception and Moore and Ford weren’t even playing.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
68.ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
1/2 a foot higher and its a TD..
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Yeah, and Bigby made a solid play on it. But Palmer should have done a better job of putting it where only Streater could have gotten it – even if Streater would have had to fully extend to make it happen. Can’t take risks like that in a close game when you’re in the red zone. Just my opinion, though. Was the only blemish in Palmer’s decision making last night, which is encouraging.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I hope now people see what I meant last season when I said that the Raider LBs would benefit from a more LB-friendly scheme. This was the best performance by a Raider LB corps in a decade.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
We shall see how some of you feel once we lose to a chitty Tannehill lead Miami team in humid Miami and see how the Raiders are gasping for air once the 2nd quarter starts and the offense is predictably bad and flat with no excitement and DMC gets hurt.
Ugh.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
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*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
We shall see how some of you feel once we lose to a chitty Tannehill lead Miami team in humid Miami and see how the Raiders are gasping for air once the 2nd quarter starts and the offense is predictably bad and flat with no excitement and DMC gets hurt.
Ugh.
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Not gonna happen.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
86.YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I hope now people see what I meant last season when I said that the Raider LBs would benefit from a more LB-friendly scheme. This was the best performance by a Raider LB corps in a decade.
^^^^^^^^
None of that matters if the offense scheme and play caller sucks.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
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*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
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/signed
September 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
We shall see how some of you feel once we lose to a chitty Tannehill lead Miami team in humid Miami and see how the Raiders are gasping for air once the 2nd quarter starts and the offense is predictably bad and flat with no excitement and DMC gets hurt.
Ugh.
===============
Hi there Captain Sunshine. How’s the weather out there on your ledge?
September 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Horrible fahqin play calling. knapp definately cannot have evolved the whole offense around mcfadden, sorry play calling!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Knapps offense is as bit upsetting for real raider fans, because we are partial to the vertical game. However it is not accurate to say that the wco doesnt have vertical aspects. The defense is stretched horizontally in order to draw them closer to the line of scrimmage. You then build on this with play fakes double moves, pump and go fakes for the qb and take deep shots over the top.
The problem last night was we had 2 rookies that the defense did not respect. this meant DHB was double covered on deep patterns. palmer was wise to avoid forcing the ball deep last night because of this.
I believe you will see more of the vertical part of the offense when moore and fords return. both players have established themselves within our division has very dangerous deep threats as well. this means that you cant double one receiver with out exposing the coverage vs the other two. this will allow single coverage on some deep patterrns and give carson the chance to take his shots.
My only quibble is please lose the 2 yard stop routes on 3rd and 5 plus. also i would like to see more pre snap motion. perhaps this is a function of carson still not quite up to speed in the offense, I would like to see him have more freedom pre snap at the line. Create some mis matches with motions, and use more mis direction.
Ghost reverse motion should be employed, because guys like reece, dmac DHb ford and moore will force the defense react everytime the run the reverse motion. remember how gannon rice and brown used it?
We saw toss stretch sweeps. this is good but it should be coupled with the fake sweep and carson bootlegging out the back side, either to set up and throw or pick up yards with his legs. We only saw a couple of boots, and that was a bit troubling
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
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*RaidO
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Fire Knapp
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Fire ST Coaches
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Anyone have a way to get that petition to Amy Trask?lol
September 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
*Raiderman99
*R8eray
*Dakota
*DJ Johnny
*Oakfoshow
*Guest123
*TxRaider210
*Turducken
*Johnnylama
*Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)
*RaiderDuck
*DutchRaider77
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*The Big Banana
*Walrushooker
*Klas Tjorborn
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*gtown1_sj
*El Gato Negro
*R8er Mike
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
363.2romes Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
A few here wanted HUE Jax let go because of his so call attitude. Hue Jax prove himself worthy for 2 straight yrs. by turning a lackadaisical offense around into a productive one. Mark Davis chose to trade Hue in for some pillow talking newbies. Yes, that upset me and I thought that would upset many more Raider fan than it did. You know why? Talk is cheap and in comparison if norv Turner had a job to come back to so should Hue.
Okay, you say give Reggie and DA a fair shake. I will tell now, I will give them a fair shot at making it work but it will be a bit hard for me to do it. DA choice for OC make it difficult. First, the scheme did not fit the Raider players skillset. you know the 1 cut and run, precise route running receivers, better than avg. tightend, and a mobile QB. DA being tagged as a well organized coach with attention to detail did not think this one through with good foresight.
Rushing from line for scrimmage has been a nightmare all preseason until now. What will Mr. attention to detail do about that? Are the Raiders now a passing team first? and if so where is the middle of the field threat? So many questions and I hope Reggie,DA,Knapp find the answers.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Anyone have a way to get that petition to Amy Trask?lol
________________________________________________________
I think Norco BOB does…SERIOUSLY!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Anyone have a way to get that petition to Amy Trask?lol
============================================
Here it Buddy
Raiders Headquarters 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway Alameda, CA 94502
September 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
SouthTexasRaider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Horrible fahqin play calling. knapp definately cannot have evolved the whole offense around mcfadden, sorry play calling!
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McFadden was the safety valve. If you have a problem with that, blame Palmer for being too cautious and dumping the ball off to him, or blame the WRs for not being open.
Of course, one might assert that the WRs on the roster are a poor fit for the WCO (which I agree with in part – I think DHB and Moore in particular are not suited to this offense). But again, Palmer made some plays, and his receivers didn’t finish. Hard to judge the playcalling when many of the plays WORKED until a WR dropped the ball or a fumble killed a drive.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Not happy with the lack of deep shots late in the game, but I’ll reserve my judgement on the playcalling for when the execution doesn’t suck as well.
Hard to judge the playcalling when your WRs aren’t getting open (and when they do they fumble the ball after a big gain), a Taiwan Jones fumble puts you 35 yards away from a first down, two third-down false starts result in a long drive and SD’s only TD, and when you DO punt it results in three turnovers deep in your own territory.
Being in that situation doesn’t leave a lot of room for a playcaller to be creative.
With that said, Knapp waited until the 4th quarter to get the TEs and Reece involved. Should have done a better job game planning with the inexperience the Raiders had at WR for this matchup. Wasn’t happy with that.
But Palmer made plenty of things happen on the field, and the supporting cast let him down. It wasn’t just the playcalling – Knapp is just an easy scapegoat for those of us who weren’t sold on him in the first place
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You make very solid points but the fact remains that the Huejax O was a much better fit but I will also TRY to reserve judgement until we get all our WR healthy we need that speed of Dmoore an Jford. But if the O is still struggling after that then we know what has to be done.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Let’s just hope we get ford an moore back next week
I said it’d scheme BUT let’s see how we play with a healthy offense. Remember streater is a rook
An still learning how to play receiver in the NFL
An DHB is well…DHB. needed ford an moore last night. Also Reece needs to be more involved too.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Knapps offense is as bit upsetting for real raider fans, because we are partial to the vertical game. However it is not accurate to say that the wco doesnt have vertical aspects. The defense is stretched horizontally in order to draw them closer to the line of scrimmage. You then build on this with play fakes double moves, pump and go fakes for the qb and take deep shots over the top.
The problem last night was we had 2 rookies that the defense did not respect. this meant DHB was double covered on deep patterns. palmer was wise to avoid forcing the ball deep last night because of this.
I believe you will see more of the vertical part of the offense when moore and fords return. both players have established themselves within our division has very dangerous deep threats as well. this means that you cant double one receiver with out exposing the coverage vs the other two. this will allow single coverage on some deep patterrns and give carson the chance to take his shots.
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Damned if you didn’t nail it again Mistic.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I’m much more worried about the special teams play than I am about the offense at this point. Don’t see why Fassel couldn’t have been retained.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Over a decade of this sch it and we as fans are phu cking sick of it! Turn the sch it around or find some one that can!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Dan78 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Anyone have a way to get that petition to Amy Trask?lol
============================================
Here it Buddy
Raiders Headquarters 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway Alameda, CA 94502
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Nice, heck we should send Knapp a copy too!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Knapp stepped into the armory and drooled at the stock of weapons available. He turned away from the guns then picked up the tomahawk and bowie knife and proceeded to battle.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I’m much more worried about the special teams play than I am about the offense at this point. Don’t see why Fassel couldn’t have been retained.
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Yeah, they looked bad in pre-season and it’s not getting any better.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Anyone have a way to get that petition to Amy Trask?lol
________________________________________________________
I think Norco BOB does…SERIOUSLY!
———————–
Cool, maybe one of the semis can get that to Norco somehow, after the list is complete.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Fire Knapp.
Or should we focus on the person(s) respondible for deciding we needed offensive change in the first place???
9th in overall offense last season. Without DMC for 9.5 game? 6th overall the season before?
Eh?
EH?
Fix the defense! Should have left the offense alone!!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Just watched every offensive snap again and man, Palmer was throwing freaking lasers out there! Lots of mistakes, even DMAC and Reece made a couple of questionable decisions.
You guys are WAY overreacting to the play calling. I guess a haters gotta hate! You guys started this moths ago and nothing Knapp does will sway the fervor that you have whipped yourselves into.
If Palmer plays like that all year we will be in this thing.
September 11th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
103.YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
SouthTexasRaider Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Horrible fahqin play calling. knapp definately cannot have evolved the whole offense around mcfadden, sorry play calling!
================
McFadden was the safety valve. If you have a problem with that, blame Palmer for being too cautious and dumping the ball off to him, or blame the WRs for not being open.
Of course, one might assert that the WRs on the roster are a poor fit for the WCO (which I agree with in part – I think DHB and Moore in particular are not suited to this offense). But again, Palmer made some plays, and his receivers didn’t finish. Hard to judge the playcalling when many of the plays WORKED until a WR dropped the ball or a fumble killed a drive.
^^^^^^^
It would not have mattered if Streater would have not fumbled. Knapp doesn’t have efficient red zone packages that score TD’s.
Knapp sucks and well as Hoffman.
Why didn’t the retain Rock a leader on special teams and keep Fassel and have a real backup long snapper??
WTF?
September 11th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
*J-Raider
*MonumentRaider
*EMRaiders
*JB
*Al_is_Theraiders
*Raiderimmortal
*Elraidmanhattan
*DKnight007
*Marks Hair
*ArmChairGM
*Stringer Bell
*Ooo0ooO
*RaidO
*Armond
*Drray
*RaiderDav
*RaiderO
*Raiderman99
*R8eray
*Dakota
*DJ Johnny
*Oakfoshow
*Guest123
*TxRaider210
*Turducken
*Johnnylama
*Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)
*RaiderDuck
*DutchRaider77
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*The Big Banana
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*Klas Tjorborn
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*gtown1_sj
*El Gato Negro
*R8er Mike
*Raiderbuck
*Dan78
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September 11th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Yes, that part I agree!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Reggie got uglier as the game went on.Bottom lip was hanging to the floor.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
how soon we forget…everyone was all over hue and to get his azz out of here..now u want him back over one game?????….ok..well our defense played the best ive seen in years and DA hired our dc right?…..knapp was hired cause he manipulated REG and DA in having them believe he can run the offense the way houston ran theirs..(ill take houstons offense anyday…they have a great rb just like we do..except they have an elite wr and a good te)..cant blame DA for our lack of depth…hue was going to take us nowhere..if u all are happy with an 8-8 record every year…so be it..id rather go this route and go 8-8 this year knowing there will only be an improvent from here on end…what is with everyone saying we are still undisciplined?…we only had 6 penalties…im used to 10 to 12 on average…an improvement already…the draft picks reg made so far look pretty good..the fa’s he brought in made a difference as well….easy guys..the team is starting to look like it should be..a team on the rise..u want superbowl this year…ur being delusional….aint gonna happen..by the end of the year the league will take notice that the raiders are on the way up…reggie mak was a great hire and u guys will see it soon.. have patience…he’s a smart guy who came from an organization that built its winning team over time..not over night…thats they way ur supposed to run a team….we dont have the players yet…..just remember..if reggie mack was the one who traded for palmer u would call for his azz….how soon u forget it was hue that made that move….remember?????????????
September 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I don’t know about the rest of you but it seems to me that Palmer was really upset in his post game interview (Good Thing) I think there’s going to be a rift between Knapp/Palmer before it’s done.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Sign a. Carter… we have no passrushers!!!! Wakey wakey!!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Id like to know if Greg Knapp actually thinks he called a good game, and if he actually believes that he is doing the right thing with this offense. There is a part of me that feels like deep down, Knapp knows he is inadequate in his duties, and probably knows that this will be his very last O-Co gig.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I’m much more worried about the special teams play than I am about the offense at this point. Don’t see why Fassel couldn’t have been retained.
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Or Brian Schneider before him?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
let murphy go…he is better than criner, hagan and streater…for that matter so was chaz…they can have ten catches each for 30 yards….streater does not show 4.37…at all. fact is if rec are not open its because of no seperation
September 11th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I don’t know about the rest of you but it seems to me that Palmer was really upset in his post game interview (Good Thing) I think there’s going to be a rift between Knapp/Palmer before it’s done.
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I don’t want a rift.
We don’t need more drama, the overhead projector days are supposed to be over.
Strip Knapp of playcalling duties like Cable did and call it a day.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
You guys are WAY overreacting to the play calling. I guess a haters gotta hate! You guys started this moths ago and nothing Knapp does will sway the fervor that you have whipped yourselves into.
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I have no personal vendetta against Knapp. I don’t know the guy personally. He may have rescued a cat from a tree and saved an old lady from being hit by a bus last week for all I know. That is NOT my issue.
My issue with him is that he is trying to implement an offense that we do not have the player personnel to fully implement! His scheme should have been gradually implemented as we acquired the players to do so!
You don’t run a West Coast offense with DHB, Carson Palmer and a patchwork offensive line!
He should be backing up Saunders this year!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Palmer should be mad at Knapp, he’s capable of running a high speed no huddle offense, GK is holding him back.imo
September 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
as much as I love dmac, im still not sold on him in this zone scheme. At arkansas he was much better when he took the ball and went down hill straight toward the line, he was far less effective moving parallel to the line of scrimmage. That was more of felix jones’s role in that offense.
Its puzzling because dmac has such speed you think he would fit well into the stretch and create lots of seams in the pursuit. I cant put my finger on it, but he just isnt the same guy running toward the boundary as he is in the power running scheme.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
As much as I’d like Knapp’s head on a pike, you know as well as I do that Allen and Reggie okay’d the game plan
September 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
People talk like Knapp was Houston’s O-Co last year. He wasnt. He was not responsible for their play calls or the success the Texans had moving the ball. The offense that the Texans run under Rick Dennison is miles ahead of anything Knapp has ever run. Knapp does not know what he is doing. He’s been in the league a long time. Studied under some greats. But his own gameplan has and always will suck. All O-Co’s are not created equally. Knapp JUST DOES NOT HAVE IT!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Yeah, the Taiwan Jones play looked good and would have loved to see that play all the way through…
September 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Dmac will get hurt taking 15 dump passes a game.. then we will completely fall apart…
September 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Palmer should be mad at Knapp, he’s capable of running a high speed no huddle offense, GK is holding him back.imo
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YUP!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
John David Booty Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
People talk like Knapp was Houston’s O-Co last year. He wasnt. He was not responsible for their play calls or the success the Texans had moving the ball. The offense that the Texans run under Rick Dennison is miles ahead of anything Knapp has ever run. Knapp does not know what he is doing. He’s been in the league a long time. Studied under some greats. But his own gameplan has and always will suck. All O-Co’s are not created equally. Knapp JUST DOES NOT HAVE IT!
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AMEN and ASHE!
People need to stop bringing up Houston as if that validates Knapp. Knapp was NOT the OC in Houston!!!!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I would like to see a more modern form of the wco from knapp, but to be fair we dont know know how deep the playbook goes. You have a team of holdovers on offense that need to learn the basics and prove they can fit. I think players that dont will be gone next year, before the oc gets fired.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Anyone else notice the LG on SD was moving the whole game?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap1000000060625/Chargers-vs-Raiders-highlights
Watch TK’s second offside at 35 seconds, you can see the LG drop his should and the LDT jump because that’s in his line of site.
Even at SD’s touchdown he flinches at 1:15
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Zbs doesnt fit our team. I can handle a wco the way philly runs it.. but not with a zbs… our players were drafted for power and speed.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
288.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Goldie7 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Maybe we can find us a long snapper off the streets that’s hungry and wants to win. The Redskins long snapper Nick Sundberg played in the second half with a broken arm….snapping the ball four times for punts, twice for field goals. We can find someone.
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Condo tried to keep playing.
New concussion protocol is air tight.
Did you see him wobbling off the field?
Come on.
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Nah DAV…my bad. I wasn’t talking bad about Condo…no way at all. I was making a point of there should be no excuses for Goethel…even if he didn’t practice, he should’ve performed a better job.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I really hope DA makes the call and goes to Saunders asap, the D is solid so why waste time with predictable play calling..
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I dont think you can be upset about palmer checkng down or throwing under neath that is the concept of the wco. palmer actually made the right choice in doing so, as his best target DHb found himself double covered a great deal of the time.
the check downs and dump off actually produced some nice plays last night. the plays that are a problem are when you have 3 wrs on the field in 3rd and 6 and 2 of them run 0 routes or 2 yard outs
September 11th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
“Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I know we lost the game but i am encouraged by what i saw from a few players. One player inparticular jumped off the screen last night, carson palmer.
Carson turned in his best performance as a raider by far. he ddint have multiple td’s, he didnt throw for four hundred yards, he wasnt enough to carry the team to victory on his back, but he doesnt need to be either.
Carson only made 2 throws that I didnt like for the entire game. One at the end of half when the ball bounced off 2 defenders in the endzone ( very nearly picked off and would have cuased me to judge his performance very differnetly), and one deep pass down the seam to a double covered DHB. these are the plays carson must eliminate to be consitent and solid.
for the other 98% of the game he was under control and making the right decisions. When palmer dials it down and stays patient like last night he is waaaaayyyyy better. I would like to see him now string 2-3 games together in a row where he takes the same approach as last night sans the 2 throws into double coverage.
Also he tends to be very erratic when moving toward the lie of scrimmage. This isnt a major concern though, incompleteions you can live with picks will kill you.
Plenty of blame to go around but none should be assigned to carson. best game he has played as a raider
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Mistic-
I’ve given you a lotta static for your posts sometimes, but let me be the first to stand up and salute you brah.
This was a stand up post by you man. Much respect for this.”
Yes I agree 100% great insight Mystic1
September 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I left the TV once and I missed the big kick return by the Chargers that was called back due to a block in the back….can anyone tell me, was that return sprung by the illegal block, or were we just fortuitous that the call was made and it really had no affect on the return?
Just curious.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
i never said he was houston’s oc…he came from houston is all im saying…do i like the guy….not one bit..but he must have had a great interview or something….nobody in the league has a reserve snapper..but im sure teams are thinking they should after lastnight
September 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Didnt wiz long snap at penn st? Why gothel? Over and over…..?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Hey DAV,
How did you like the beating I gave you in FF?
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
canadianraider Says: just remember..if reggie mack was the one who traded for palmer u would call for his azz///////////Not me. Palmer is NOT the problem.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Jerry just tweeted that Ford had surgery on his foot and will be out significant amount of time.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Didnt wiz long snap at penn st? Why gothel? Over and over…..?
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Have you seen the punt formations in College?..
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Someone currently on the roster needs to be a reliable back-up long snapper, I blame the coaches for that blunder. Goethel was not prepared and they know Condo is at injury risk in ST coverage.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
130.John David Booty Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
People talk like Knapp was Houston’s O-Co last year. He wasnt. He was not responsible for their play calls or the success the Texans had moving the ball. The offense that the Texans run under Rick Dennison is miles ahead of anything Knapp has ever run. Knapp does not know what he is doing. He’s been in the league a long time. Studied under some greats. But his own gameplan has and always will suck. All O-Co’s are not created equally. Knapp JUST DOES NOT HAVE IT!
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Yep. You can lock a dunce in a room with a genius for 10 years and when you let him out after all that time, odds are he will still be a dunce.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Zbs doesnt fit our team. I can handle a wco the way philly runs it.. but not with a zbs… our players were drafted for power and speed.
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Apperently we have to send out another memo.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Marks Hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Didnt wiz long snap at penn st? Why gothel? Over and over…..?
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Don’t know if Wiz long-snapped at Penn State, or if he was any good at it. Also, Wiz has been hurt and has practiced so little, Parsons got his job for Week 1. Now you want to throw him into the game on punts?!?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I expect reece to have a larger role, especially since we dont have an established threat at tight end. i felt that too often we were in single back sets and looking for our wrs to make plays. I think if you start in I formation and motion reece out or dmac out wide you will get them matched up on guys that cant cover them down the field. I would like more creativity form knapp in this regard.
Also DHb is much better when you get him some wr bubble screens early in the game. This will also force the dbs to play him closer as he is a load to tackle. His ability to run after the was not taken advantage of last night. Quick passes to DHB would set up the entire offense and allow more room to roam down filed later in the game. Also putting him in motion can take the double teams off of him as well. These are the ares i felt knapp fell short last night.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Hey DAV,
How did you like the beating I gave you in FF?
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
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Thank you may I have another?
I REALLY need to look over the scoring in the league..LOL
September 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
palmer isnt the problem i totally agree with u purv…he is still our best qb.. but u have to admit we paid a hefty price for him
September 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Oh well,Jacoby Ford gone for the better part of the season….just heard on 957thegame…this sucks
September 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
This isn’t to say the officials cost the Raiders the game. The Raiders would have had to score a 95-yard touchdown and convert the two-point attempt just to tie the game///////////Piece of cake.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
147.Stringer Bell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Jerry just tweeted that Ford had surgery on his foot and will be out significant amount of time.
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I told you guys….Ford injured the same foot as last year, just worse this time….LISFRANC!
Hope McFadden doesn’t have the same thing happen. McFadden probably should have had surgery right after it happened last year, but the clowns running the team decided they wanted to sell more tickets by keeping the hope of McFadden alive.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Stringer Bell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Jerry just tweeted that Ford had surgery on his foot and will be out significant amount of time.
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I had a feeling after watching DA’s press conference
September 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Make a nice cover sheet and fax it to Amy
Dear Amy
We have had it up to the top of our big heads with Knapp. Dennis is a idiot for hiring him. Please fire Knapless tomorrow or we will put your pants all year long
Signed
big headed blogsters
September 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I dont think you can be upset about palmer checkng down or throwing under neath that is the concept of the wco. palmer actually made the right choice in doing so, as his best target DHb found himself double covered a great deal of the time.
the check downs and dump off actually produced some nice plays last night. the plays that are a problem are when you have 3 wrs on the field in 3rd and 6 and 2 of them run 0 routes or 2 yard outs
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Thing is, I believe a lot of those dumpoffs were by design, to get McFadden into space. Thats a big part of why the WRs “seemed” to not be getting open or separation. Its because they were aligned and assigned a lot of plays as decoy/blockers. And it worked in the first quarter. But its not a difficult game plan to adjust to, and SD adjusted very well. But even after SD adjusted and read everything Knapp was throwing at them, he still kept calling the same nonsense. Offense didnt even move the ball again until the end of the game when they went no huddle, which SURPRISE, looked a lot closer to last years offense. Knapp just doesnt know what hes doing. Hes just a “good ol boy” who’s been in the league for years and can politic his way into a job, but hes just not a good OC. He can be as good as “average”, if he has the perfect pieces, but this is not the team. Raiders were a top 10 offense. You would think with the personnel, we could have improved upon that. But Knapps offense has put a stranglehold on the Raiders progression. My hopes of the playoffs are gone. This is another rebuilding season, thanks to Knapps inability to take advantage of the weapons we have.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
95.7 The Game @957thegame
#Papa confirms, likely out 4 year RT @Jerrymcd “Surgery for Jacoby Ford on foot in Carolina. Out for `signfiicant’ period of time.” #Raiders
September 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Someone currently on the roster needs to be a reliable back-up long snapper, I blame the coaches for that blunder. Goethel was not prepared and they know Condo is at injury risk in ST coverage.
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Everyone always says they should have gotten Tsunami insurance the day after one hits.
Hind sight.. 20/20.
Id like to know how many other teams actually give practice snaps to a backup long snapper.
Me thinks its not many.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I expect reece to have a larger role, especially since we dont have an established threat at tight end. i felt that too often we were in single back sets and looking for our wrs to make plays. I think if you start in I formation and motion reece out or dmac out wide you will get them matched up on guys that cant cover them down the field. I would like more creativity form knapp in this regard.
Also DHb is much better when you get him some wr bubble screens early in the game. This will also force the dbs to play him closer as he is a load to tackle. His ability to run after the was not taken advantage of last night. Quick passes to DHB would set up the entire offense and allow more room to roam down filed later in the game. Also putting him in motion can take the double teams off of him as well. These are the ares i felt knapp fell short last night.
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All on Knapp. If he would have done this, it would also negate the doubling they were doing when they sent him deep. You need to get playmakers involved other than DMAC otherwise they will key on DMAC all night like they did.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I don’t think we are going to scrap the ZBS and I don’t think we should. I think our OL is the problem. Left to right Veld. Berg. Wis. Nix Smith would be my choice. Couldn’t be any worse and will only get better.
Also you can have a hybrid system where we use some power blocking schemes.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jacoby Ford is dead to me.
Plax…anyone?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Dennis Allen picked Knapp.
No way he reads a request by bloggers to demote HIS PICK, and just goes ahead and does it.
Funny some of you actually believe any coach would even entertain the idea.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Thus endeth the legend of Jacoby Ford.
Disappointing.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Dakota,
The punt penalty was on Lee who was the gunner, first man there. I think he would have AT LEAST got Royal more towards the coverage and he would have been tackled within 10 yards. But with the ST’s last night…….eeeeehhhhhhhh……..dunno!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
canadianraider Says: palmer isnt the problem i totally agree with u purv…he is still our best qb.. but u have to admit we paid a hefty price for him////////Not just OUR best QB, still consider him one of the best. @ least top ten. Still don’t think it was too high a price.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DAV
So you’re saying that any team who loses a long-snapper is basically screwed? Not buying it bro, these guys are pros and there should always be a reliable back-up.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
154.DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Hey DAV,
How did you like the beating I gave you in FF?
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
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Thank you may I have another?
I REALLY need to look over the scoring in the league..LOL
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Dont fear Dak. It is about to get mind numbing cold in SD and Dakota will enter hibernation or his brain circuts will freeze. Either way he is headed for a winter slump
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Andre Carter [Healthy]
Plaxico Buress
Steve Slaton
Would like to see them all brought in.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Thanks Saint.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Jacoby Ford out for the year. What else is new.
If you dawn the silver and black uniform in this day and age, and you flash skills, you will be doomed to injuries the rest of your career. At least until you leave Oakland. Its a curse.
Denarius Moore will mysteriously be a game-time decision for the next 5 weeks, no doubt, and be inactive for all of those games. “He’s just not quit right guys”.
I know, and McFadden will be healthy NEXT week too Huey…
FML.
I’m so tired of this every season. Its so frustrating.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Actually I remember Allen saying that he would have liked to interview more candidates but he didn’t have many options.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
147.Stringer Bell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Jerry just tweeted that Ford had surgery on his foot and will be out significant amount of time.
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I told you guys….Ford injured the same foot as last year, just worse this time….LISFRANC!
Hope McFadden doesn’t have the same thing happen. McFadden probably should have had surgery right after it happened last year, but the clowns running the team decided they wanted to sell more tickets by keeping the hope of McFadden alive.
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And some on this board wish those same clowns (and their pedicures) were still running this organization. Unbelievable…
September 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Andre Carter [Healthy]
Plaxico Buress
Steve Slaton
Would like to see them all brought in.
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Agreed, but I’ll take Gaffney>Plax
September 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Twocents Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Actually I remember Allen saying that he would have liked to interview more candidates but he didn’t have many options.
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By the time DA was hired, we were getting cock-blocked HARD on assistants.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
ravenaider Says: Oh well,Jacoby Ford gone for the better part of the season….just heard on 957thegame…this sucks/////////Man, I caught it in here when I said PUP Ford, particularly from Method. Where is Meth, anyway?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Andre Carter [Healthy]
Plaxico Buress
Steve Slaton
Would like to see them all brought in.
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agreed, except I thought Slaton had a little Goodson in him if you know what I mean, unless I’m confusing him.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DAV
So you’re saying that any team who loses a long-snapper is basically screwed? Not buying it bro, these guys are pros and there should always be a reliable back-up.
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Its happened before. Many times.
Does it make sense that there is a guy on a team who is a reliable long-snapper & plays another position, yet they still keep a guy who can only long-snap???
LOL come on.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Damn. Tough break Jacoby. Get better and be ready for the playoffs!
Yeah, I said it.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Dont forget we had punt protection issues in PS and they still have not been cleaned up
September 11th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Armchair,
I couldn’t agree with you more about our offense. Just doenst fit our personnel, bottom line. Why people are over looking this is beyond me.
Look at what the Patriots did with their young TE’s. They were strictly a spread offense from top to bottom. They draft two bad @ss tight ends and all of a sudden they are a two TE team creating match up nightmares.
They molded their offense around their offensive talent, not the other way around. Good coaches play to their players strengths.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Andre Carter [Healthy]
Plaxico Buress
Steve Slaton
Would like to see them all brought in.
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Agreed, but I’ll take Gaffney>Plax
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Ill take Gaffney too.
Just think Plax brings a better short yardage/RZ threat.
I think Hagan negates Gaffney.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Zbs doesnt fit our team. I can handle a wco the way philly runs it.. but not with a zbs… our players were drafted for power and speed.
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Actually, the offensive line is playing far better than I expected and that’s probably down to Knapp’s ZBS.
Parsons probably isn’t big enough to play center in a power system but he’s been playing OK in the ZBS.
Consider this: A total of six penalties on the whole team in this game with three coming on the 8 minute discharger scoring drive in the first half.
In the first two pre-season games there were zero penalties and I think only two in the third pre-season game.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Agreed…173
Told you guys fords foots was major
September 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Like Dilfer said, this WCO isnt what youre thinking. This is the Texans WCO.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I was all for waiting for a few games to see how Knapp would do in his second stint. But that play calling sunk the team last night. He needs to either open it up, or get removed and have Saunders call the plays.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I left the TV once and I missed the big kick return by the Chargers that was called back due to a block in the back….can anyone tell me, was that return sprung by the illegal block, or were we just fortuitous that the call was made and it really had no affect on the return?
Just curious.
Not sure if it was the result of that or not, but as soon as I seen Eddie Royal back there, I was like, no, don’t punt it to him and he did! Besides, isn’t that the drive that they took 90 yards for a TD?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
187. No. 2yds a carry.
They lived in our backfield.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I agree on the Plexico idea.
I’m not for bringing in any knucklehead player just because he has a big name.
But Plex might be very useful.
We have nobody to throw it up to, like Rivers is able to do with those 6′5 guys like Floyd and Gates.
Carson needs someone he can trust. Plexico is 6′5″ I believe, and can catch TDs high in the end zone, etc.
Although, again, maybe he doesnt fit the Gregg Knapp ZBS West Coast offense?
Grrrrr, this is so irritating. All these unneccessary problems because we felt the need to go away from what made us the 9th overall rank offense last season. Saunders should have remained the coordinator. Change was not needed.
This offensive hearache is so unneccessary.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Let Carson run the huddle!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Really really need a healthy carter.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
This team needs some solid vets on it. Im not talking about hagan. Im talking about guys who have been there and done it.
Bring in plaxaico. Bring in Ryan grant to backup Dmac.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
TxRaider210 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Andre Carter [Healthy]
Plaxico Buress
Steve Slaton
Would like to see them all brought in.
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Agreed, but I’ll take Gaffney>Plax
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Ill take Gaffney too.
Just think Plax brings a better short yardage/RZ threat.
I think Hagan negates Gaffney.
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You could be right, Hagan plays similarly, I’d be cool with Plax since we know Ford is out now. The whole issue I have with the Condo thing is coaching, it’s not far fetched that he could get injured on ST coverage, guess the coaches thought it would never happen.jmo
September 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a legit RT?
How long do we have to put up with Barnes? I hope RT is near the top of the list for Reggie this offseason.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I didnt want plax cause he shot himself.. but its too big of a need now.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a legit RT?
How long do we have to put up with Barnes? I hope RT is near the top of the list for Reggie this offseason.
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If Barnes keeps playing this way, no doubt it will be.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
With the punting, I’m not sure why they didn’t just go to using all 4 downs and stop punting all together.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
198. Its a loong fuçking list…
September 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
and can someone tell me why do we have Pryor standing on the sideline in street clothes. A young 23 yr old 6ft 6 qb that can run like the wind 4.3 speed and we cant get this necca on the field?? Dang son!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I think their might be some confusion about the WCO. A WCO doesnt mean you have to run zone blocking. That is how Shannahan adapted it to fit “his” team.
When Gruden was here we were a WCO to the core, but if you remember our run offesne was straight power with our huge o-line.
Barry Sims,Frank Middleton, Barret Robbins, Mo Collins, and Lincoln Kennedy would have floundered in a zone blocking scheme. We didnt try to force feed them a zone scheme, we played to their strengths (incredible size) and mauled pple at the LOS.
I guess what I’m saying is that one scheme doesnt strictly translate from team to team, you have to adjust to make it yours and fit your people. Every team has their wrinkles. Knapp is force feeding this offense.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Stringer Bell Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
With the punting, I’m not sure why they didn’t just go to using all 4 downs and stop punting all together.
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I was thinking the same last night, could have been a safer option the way the D played.idk
September 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I was cussing so bad last night that my wife is pissed at me today.
I have calmed down. We are probably not going to win the division. But I saw some reasons for optimism.
I say cut it loose, go with the young guys and take some chances.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
185.xHOWIE75x Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Armchair,
I couldn’t agree with you more about our offense. Just doenst fit our personnel, bottom line. Why people are over looking this is beyond me.
Look at what the Patriots did with their young TE’s. They were strictly a spread offense from top to bottom. They draft two bad @ss tight ends and all of a sudden they are a two TE team creating match up nightmares.
They molded their offense around their offensive talent, not the other way around. Good coaches play to their players strengths.
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Thats because Tom Brady is a first ballot hall of famer who can operate any system. Bellecheat would not be able to do that without a hall of famer at QB for ten years plus.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
FIRE KNAPP NOW!
Palmer said in the interview that they were not loading the box and were playin the deep ball instead. Well then how can they explain DMCs 2 yard per carry? I will tell ya, it was because of Knapp and the schitty ZBS, its a fact DMC is not a fit in the ZBS PERIOD
FIRE KNAPP NOW
September 11th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
They had to know this was likely with Ford which means I’m missing something about injuries, PUP list, salaries and whatnot that made it more advantageous to do it this way.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
cheers purvisman….we all have our opinion and i respect urs..but top 10 ??????
rodgers…brady….brees…newton…stafford…eli and peyton manning…romo(maybe)..rivers…big ben….ryan….schaub….cutler….flacco..and even a young rg3 and luck….all ahead of palmer…thats about 15 ahead of palmer…too much for the picks we gave up…thats my opinion
September 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Gotta wonder if Ford wants out too.
Was never happy with the Campbell situation.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
187. No. 2yds a carry.
They lived in our backfield.
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A 2yd average is not a good thing but I don’t believe that we should be running McFadden down the middle and Goodson is no replacement for Bush.
In the first half that I saw, we were definitely moving the ball and the OL was a big part of that.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Allen basically called him out when the results of his MRI came back.
I think Ford wants out like Murph.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Palmer is plenty smart enough to run the offense and change plays as needed, they need to treat him like a veteran and let him rip it.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
FIRE KNAPP OUT OF A CANNON AND INTO THE FUÇKING BAY!!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Knapp is just a bad coach!!!
he didn adjust to the chargers pressure defense
rollouts?
Use DMac as a decoy and play pass?
Draw plays out of the shotgun?
Misdirection plays?… reverses, bubble screens, etc etc
Knapp is a stiff!
September 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Sometimes guys just aren’t happy with where they are and have to move on. There will be a draft next year.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
You dont think ford wants to get lit up at the los??? Why not?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I really dont think this zone blocking system is gonna benefit DMac.
30+ yards rushing in the half?!?
it might be our O-line, but i think its the blocking system.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
If the fans keep booing Knapp like last night, when he calls crap, DA won’t have much of a choice but to give the wheel to Saunders.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
354
Well said, we still have time to PUT YOUR PANTS! After the bitterness wears off, all we can take are the positives from the game and move forward.
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Yeah Tx, it’s a hard thing to do man. I’d be lying if I said my day wasn’t Sh*tty BECAUSE of last night. It stings, and I’m gonna have a bad taste for a few days….. But man, I haven’t seen Burris play better than he did. He was a beast. Heard his name a bunch. Great knife through the line to tackle for loss too. That’s what we need outta our LB’s. I ain’t gonna get into what I didn’t like, that’s been goin on for the last 12 hours.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Holy crap, after watching the first 2 punts that Goethel snapped it was Burris that screwed the pooch on both of those. Even if Travis had got the first one off the ground Rosario was going to block it. Burris blocked outside both times and Rosario ran free up the middle with nothing more than a hand check. Easy pickins.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Somebody said Allen wanted to interview more candidates for OC but was denied by other teams or was running out of time. I like Allen so far,but that’s no excuse. He had AL SAUNDERS right there, and I’m still wondering whose decision it was to retain him as senior OC asst.?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Plunkett,
Yes, Brady is a future HOF but it still doesnt justify not playing to your teams’ stregths HOF QB or not.
Its like we are beating our heads against a brick wall because of the principal that “this offense works anywhere”. We cant do that and expect to succeed.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Knapp tried a reverse and Tie One On took his eyes off the ball.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Ford’s having surgery this afternoon in North Carolina.
September 11th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Twocents Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Knapp tried a reverse and Tie One On took his eyes off the ball.
Wasn’t it also that Reece tossed the ball to Taiwan’s face?
September 11th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
354
Well said, we still have time to PUT YOUR PANTS! After the bitterness wears off, all we can take are the positives from the game and move forward.
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Yeah Tx, it’s a hard thing to do man. I’d be lying if I said my day wasn’t Sh*tty BECAUSE of last night. It stings, and I’m gonna have a bad taste for a few days….. But man, I haven’t seen Burris play better than he did. He was a beast. Heard his name a bunch. Great knife through the line to tackle for loss too. That’s what we need outta our LB’s. I ain’t gonna get into what I didn’t like, that’s been goin on for the last 12 hours.
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Yeah man I heard that, Burris was playing good football out there, really impressed by the kid and the defense as a whole. It was irritating watching Rivers have all day to pass though. Can’t wait to see what they do against a rookie in Miami, maybe a few INT’s/sacks..
September 11th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Why didn’t he have the surgery earlier? Did he just re-injure last week?
September 11th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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September 11th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
canadianraider Says:
cheers purvisman….we all have our opinion and i respect urs..but top 10 ??????
rodgers…brady….brees…newton…stafford…eli and peyton manning…romo(maybe)..rivers…big ben….ryan….schaub….cutler….flacco..and even a young rg3 and luck….all ahead of palmer…thats about 15 ahead of palmer…too much for the picks we gave up…thats my opinion////////Cheers back to you and I respect yours, also. If RG3 and Luck are in there because of potential and/or productive years left, then TPryor could be included and Peyton excluded. Romo, despite his play on Wednesday is less than a maybe. Cutler, Schaub, Ryan, Stafford, Newton? and more are in the mix but not demonstrably better. And that’s my opinion.
September 11th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
ArmChair GM, add my name to that list. Fire that POS! Zone blocking is worthless. Mcfadden caught 13 passes! When was the last time an RB in GB, NE, NO, NYG caught 13 passes? Damn im pissed!
September 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Allen said they used Reece the right way.Go back to being a defensive coorinator.You suck.take Bottom lip with you.
September 11th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Here comes TERRELL OWENS…
September 11th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Streater= undrafted rookie with 19 catches in college. MAN IM TIRED OF BEING RIGHT!
September 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
230.
Put me down for: FIRE KNAPP!!!!!!
Maybe HuJax will take the OC job?
September 11th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
please put my name on the list fire that dummy
September 11th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
#1 Armchair
Add me to the petition.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Don’t expect to see Ford back this year…. Think we might need to pick up a Wr …. At least for some depth… Moore should be back Sunday…