Ford’s surgery to repair Lisfranc injury
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, September 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said wide receiver Jacoby Ford’s surgery went well. He also revealed for the first time that Ford suffered the dreaded Lisfranc injury.
“It’s a hard injury to come back from,” running back Darren McFadden said.
McFadden speaks from experience. He suffered a similar injury last season and missed the final nine games.
Allen said the Raiders were hopeful of Ford recovering from the injury he suffered Aug. 17 against the Arizona Cardinals without surgery. However, his foot didn’t respond to treatment and rest as well as hoped.
“As I understand it, anyway, it’s the Lisfranc that he had last year,” Allen said. “It’s the same exact injury. They expected it to get better, and it didn’t get better, or at least it wasn’t good enough for him to do that job that he’s going to have to do. We all felt like surgery was the best option.”
Allen said Ford is going to be out for an extended period.
“They said the procedure went well,” Allen said. “And again, we’ll see how long that means.”
McFadden said he is symptathetic toward Ford, knowing full well how difficult it is recovering from the Lisfranc injury. McFadden didn’t require surgery, yet he missed more than half the season.
For those asking, McFadden’s injury happened at the Coliseum. Ford’s happened in Arizona. So, no need to blame the Coliseum playing surface.
“It’s just a good thing that he was able to go out there and catch it early,” McFadden said, “so he could be able to get it corrected and try to work on getting back.”
– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain missed practice today as a result of an ankle injury he suffered Monday night against the San Diego Chargers. Running back Taiwan Jones also missed practice. In his case, it was because of a ribs injury he suffered Monday.
“It’s not as bad as last year, but we’ll see,” McClain said, when asked if he intends to play Sunday.
– Speaking of Jones, Allen said the battle for the primary backup spot behing McFadden remains wide open between Jones and Mike Goodson.
Goodson received two carries against the Chargers. Jones became a non-factor after he fumbled the game-opening kick and mishandled a pitch from fullback Marcel Reece on a reverse.
“It’s still a battle there,” Allen said, “and it will probably be a battle throughout the remainder of the season. That’s really kind of the way we like it. Competition brings out the best in everybody.”
– Allen held out wide receiver Denarius Moore from the Chargers game in hopes of having him healthy for the long run. Sounds as if that was a prudent move, based upon the reviews Wednesday.
“He looked like Denarius of old,” quarterback Carson Palmer said. “He made a couple phenomenal catches (in practice). His burst was there last week, it’s just more conditioning, really getting in practice. There’s a totally different type of shape.”
Palmer said the Raiders the the “smart” thing by holding out Moore and giving him added time to recover from the hamstring injury that forced him to miss most of training camp and all four exhibition games.
“It was a very smart move by the staff and the training guys to hold him out and let him really get his lungs right and get his game tempo, game speed right,” Palmer said. “And he’s back this week. You can tell.”
Moore made it seem as if he doesn’t have any doubt about making his 2012 debut.
“I’m very excited,” Moore said. “I’m back with my teammates. I’m ready to rock.”
Don’t count on Moore returning punts Sunday.
– The Raiders worked out the following players Wednesday morning: defensive end Brandon Bair, defensive tackles Kade Weston and Bryce Davis and long-snappers Nick Guess, Swanson Miller, Kyle Nelson, Ryan Pontbriand, Travis Tripucka and Ryan Senser.
Ultimately, the Raiders signed Bair and Guess to their practice squad.
Allen said Guess will be the long-snapper against the Dolphins on Sunday if regular long-snapper Jon Condo (concussion) is unable to play.
“We would anticipate, if (Condo) isn’t able to go, that he would come in and take that role,” Allen said of Guess, who was an undrafted rookie out of Tennessee that signed with the Chargers in the offseason.
Allen said it might be as late as Saturday before there’s any definitive word on whether Condo is healthy enough to play. Condo is being evaluated by team doctors on a daily basis, and he has to pass a series of tests before he gets cleared.
Guess watched the game Monday night and had an inkling his phone might ring Tuesday, either from the Raiders or Redskins.
“I was definitely thinking about getting a call, absolutely, because the Redskins snapper broke his arm and then this happened to Jon,” Guess said. “I was definitely hoping to get a phone call. I didn’t know. I’m a rookie, so I don’t know how this process work. After I saw the hit, I just felt bad for Jon because I know it was just like a freak accident.”
– Dolphins running back Reggie Bush said Wednesday that McFadden is the one back in the NFL today that can withstand the kind of workload that used to be commonplace for running backs in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s.
Palmer said there’s a fine line and that there’s a way to be smart about how many times McFadden touches the ball in a game. Against the Chargers, McFadden rushed 15 times and caught 13 passes. He also had five other passes thrown his way.
“You don’t want to overuse him,” Palmer said. “But I would rather throw him the ball 10, 15 times than have him run the ball 35. If they’re going to let us throw it to him, that’s OK with us, and if they’re going to take him away that means somebody’s open downfield.”
McFadden said he will take whatever comes his way and that he is durable enough to hold up with a sizable workload over the course of a long season.
“I just leave it to the coaches,” McFadden said. “If my number is called upon, I’m going to go out there and run the ball or catch the ball, whatever they decide. I just leave that to the coaches and go with whatever they decide.”
– McClain and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly are from the south, so they aren’t as concerned about the heat and humidity forecast for Sunday’s game in Miami.
“It don’t really matter,” McClain said. “Tennessee my first year was like being at home. Then we played Miami last year, and it felt like home to me. It’s just hot. It’s not like you died or anything. It’s just a little sun. Drink some water, you’ll be fine.”
Palmer said Allen already has addressed the issue, instructing players on how to hydrate properly and how to deal with the conditions mentally.
“It will be a factor,” Palmer said. “Just like we use the dirt when we play on it at home as an advantage, because other guys don’t play on it, they use the heat as an advantage for them.”
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September 12th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
September 12th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Man that sucks. Get out the Waiver wire
September 12th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
biachi, biachi, biachi, you have now gone into Jamista Clown paranoid schizophrenia territory. I am Raider Rob? I mean weed makes people paranoid, but you have gone over the edge. You might want to put down the ganj, go to the hospital and check yourself in. Finally. And while you are doing that, we will create your award for Most Boring Blog Personality. Along with a spiffy certificate, you win a $5 gift certificate to the Olive Garden salad bar. Congrats!
September 12th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Well, there’s a reason why track runners are track runners and football players are football players. This wouldn’t be the first track runner drafted by Al to turn out to be a twig. But I sure hope it’s the last.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Thinking about getting a Knapp jersey, what number should it be?
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Klas would say 00, but that would be insult to Jim Otto. Can you put letters on it. How bout ZZZZ
September 12th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Thinking about getting a Knapp jersey, what number should it be?
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Zero. As in the number of points Knapp seems to generate.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
DAV – “Sell insurance” LMAO
September 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Thinking about getting a Knapp jersey, what number should it be?
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2.2 as in RUN DMC’s avg per rush
September 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Ford’s surgery to repair Lisfranc injury
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Sorry, not waiver wire, injury settlement wire.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
guess my jacoby ford to be the next steve smith hopes are gone
September 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER AND REASSIGN GREG KNAPP TO QB COACH TO HELP TERRELLE PRYOR DEVELOP!!
THIS IS THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO GET OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE FROM OUR PLAYERS AND STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
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Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Klas once had a Swedish car called a Jocoby Fjord. It always had flat tire.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Fire you know who
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Well, there’s a reason why track runners are track runners and football players are football players. This wouldn’t be the first track runner drafted by Al to turn out to be a twig. But I sure hope it’s the last.
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Klas your english has improved… LOL
September 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
We use the dirt to our advantage? It did not appear that way when we had Goethel hiking grounders to Lechler like he plays for the A’s.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
GHOST RAIDER Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Well, there’s a reason why track runners are track runners and football players are football players. This wouldn’t be the first track runner drafted by Al to turn out to be a twig. But I sure hope it’s the last.
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Klas your english has improved… LOL
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You silly. That not Klas.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
We’ve read in vague terms how Redskins coach Mike Shanahan adapted his offense to RG3’s skills. Chris Brown of Grantland.com does a great job explaining how Shanahan did it.
Washington’s attack borrowed liberally from concepts Griffin used at Baylor. The key aspect: Griffin has options when he comes to the line of scrimmage. While the offensive line and backfield perform a running play, the receivers run a different passing play. Shanahan stressed Griffin wasn’t using an audible; Griffin decided what play to run based on what the defense showed him
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This is what I am saying. Once defensive coordinators know he is using Baylor plays, they will look at Baylor tape, and devise plans against him. I am rooting for RGIII. Excellent player, excellent person. Just don’t start creating that bust in Canton just yet….
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
favorite lame thing about beeech (of MANY):
he says he’s putting together a reggae band and he comes up with RASTA GANJA. LOL! i mean he shoulda just called it WEED DREADLOCKS. come up with two words that are highly associated with reggae and use them. very impressive originality.
how about MARLEY SPLIFF?
or JAMAICAN HIGH? oh wait, that could be a great movie title about a couple kids who move to kingston and go to high school there.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Blog Brahs, if you want a free crack right now at Nob Minion or his puppet master Peemore Bust, it’s prime time
You can just smell the flame outs a comin’, holla back
Love working the minions right up to the verge of a meltdown, letting them teeter for a while, then pulling the chair out at the very end for our amusement
That’s just how the Beeeech Dawg do, whut whut
2K4S TAKIN’ BACK THE STREETS
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Our offensive coaches are trying to implement a modern day offense, as opposed to the archaic offense we were using beforehand. If we were to make a change in the coaching staff that would put us further into the direction of an archaic offense, it would just be downtime in our efforts to modernizing our offense. It’s going to take time. The dumbest thing we could do now is use instant gratification as a measuring stick and start to go backward philosophically.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I am positive RGIII will be the best player in redskin history & is head & shoulders a better player than elway & young at this stage in their careers. Not only is far far more talented, but he also is better at reading defense, manipulating defense,calling audibles, and is far more accurate & polished in the pocket. Any athletic comparison to elway & young would be beyond laughable.
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oh my lord, u have drank the kool-aid on rg3. u MUST CALM DOWN! u have rg3 in the HOF already. who cares about baylor? college performance means nothing. he looked very good. but for crying out loud.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Klas Ice Cold Popsicle Lock of the Week:
Rams 23, Redskins 13
September 12th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
looks like we will all be eating vanilla ice cream cones on gamedays this year. Knapp is badddddddddd
September 12th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Dolphins running back Reggie Bush said Wednesday that McFadden is the one back in the NFL today that can withstand the kind of workload that used to be commonplace for running backs in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s.
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Wonder where he got that from?
September 12th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
4 weeks for bartell? Cut him
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I see I touched a nerve. I am positive RGIII will be the best player in redskin history & is head & shoulders a better player than elway & young at this stage in their careers. Not only is far far more talented, but he also is better at reading defense, manipulating defense,calling audibles, and is far more accurate & polished in the pocket. Any athletic comparison to elway & young would be beyond laughable.
I am not basing this on 1 game like many on this blog that have yet to have actually see him play, I watched nearly every snap he has taken as a collegiate & pro.
Madden is right & I wish we could get a guy like that to take our offense into the new football paradigm
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Yawn.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Blog Brahs, if you want a free crack right now at Nob Minion or his puppet master Peemore Bust, it’s prime time
You can just smell the flame outs a comin’, holla back
Love working the minions right up to the verge of a meltdown, letting them teeter for a while, then pulling the chair out at the very end for our amusement
That’s just how the Beeeech Dawg do, whut whut
2K4S TAKIN’ BACK THE STREETS
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this smells of desperation (well, even more than normal).
i have some sort of connection to seymore bush? uhh. ok.
don’t have a problem with him but where does this come from? oh wait. nothing this dude says is based on reality. sorry.
yes, beeech, we’re all about to have “meltdowns” and “flame out”. whatever that means.
this is hilarious. he spends most of his time calling everyone here nerds and dweebs, then appeals to u guys as “brahs” when he wants u to like him more than me. what a little sweetheart. he really needs u guys to like him.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Madden is right & I wish we could get a guy like that to take our offense into the new football paradigm
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Thought we already had him with Pryor?
September 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I love RGIII. Excellent excellent prospect. Even better person. But there are 31 very very smart NFL DC’s who would want nothing more than to make him fail. Should be interesting to watch.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Yawn.
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LOL!!! probably the most appropo post yet.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Nob Minion/Peemore Bust, you know how you’re always begging us to believe you’re a “real cool guy” (one of the great quotes in blog history)?
Aside from melting down all over the blog, it’s totally obvious you have no idea how to party serious
Take the Beeech Diggity, today I finger banged two hot wasted strippers, did the brand new Bummer Summer dance in my XXXL Bike jock strap, then snapped into a Slim Jim
That’s how them Big Dawgs bark, woof
September 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Fire. FIRE.. FIRE! FIRE!! FIRE!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
rg3 is an exciting player. i loved watching that game. he;ll be fun to watch this year. but remember, u put ur franchise qb in a lot of danger when u ask him to run a ll the time. this ain’t college.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Chris Hansen has been watching the All-22 from Monday night’s game:
Christopher Hansen @ChrisHansenNFL
Palmer was right. Nothing open deep Monday night.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
The Raiders worked out the following players Wednesday morning: defensive end Brandon Bair, defensive tackles Kade Weston and Bryce Davis and long-snappers Nick Guess, Swanson Miller, Kyle Nelson, Ryan Pontbriand, Travis Tripucka and Ryan Sense
We should be working out a new offensive coordinator, FIRE KNAPP!!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Our offensive coaches are trying to implement a modern day offense, as opposed to the archaic offense we were using beforehand. If we were to make a change in the coaching staff that would put us further into the direction of an archaic offense, it would just be downtime in our efforts to modernizing our offense. It’s going to take time. The dumbest thing we could do now is use instant gratification as a measuring stick and start to go backward philosophically.
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Knapps offense made be modern but its still bad.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
The only advantage of the dirt infield this season, is that the A’s may be playing postseason games? They are doing alot better with alot less talent unfortunately.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Christopher Hansen @ChrisHansenNFL
Haven’t been a fan of Rolando’s play the last couple years, but he was ballin’ on Monday.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Nob Minion/Peemore Bust, you know how you’re always begging us to believe you’re a “real cool guy” (one of the great quotes in blog history)?
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This moron STILL thinks I am Rob Raider? Like some other tool thought I was 666? Don’t worry biachi, you will have another paranoid moron in the psyche ward to jabber at.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Nob Minion/Peemore Bust, you know how you’re always begging us to believe you’re a “real cool guy” (one of the great quotes in blog history)?
Aside from melting down all over the blog, it’s totally obvious you have no idea how to party serious
Take the Beeech Diggity, today I finger banged two hot wasted strippers, did the brand new Bummer Summer dance in my XXXL Bike jock strap, then snapped into a Slim Jim
That’s how them Big Dawgs bark, woof
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it was me and it was “actual cool guy”. get it straight.
keep the “minion/meltdown” stuff coming. it hasn’t become nauseating yet.
let me translate the “partying” for u. he went to the strip club and paid for two lap dances. went home and walked around in his stringy, threadbare underwear, and ate some beef jerky. sounds like an awesome party.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Yawn.
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LOL!!! probably the most appropo post yet.
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Peemore Bust giving himself a pat on the back. An all-time blog classic
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Rolando will be in Pro Bowl this year.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Knapps offense is not modern….. unless its 1980 and i bumped my head
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Palmer was right. Nothing open deep Monday night.
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Yup.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
“You don’t want to overuse him,” Palmer said. “But I would rather throw him the ball 10, 15 times than have him run the ball 35. If they’re going to let us throw it to him, that’s OK with us, and if they’re going to take him away that means somebody’s open downfield.”
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That must explain all the wide open recievers and long completions on Monday night.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Yawn.
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LOL!!! probably the most appropo post yet.
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Peemore Bust giving himself a pat on the back. An all-time blog classic
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All time blog classic was Yelp review of your sad Reggae Boat.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Not official yet but Ford is certainly done for the season. See below:
Lisfranc treatment options include operative or non-operative treatment. If the dislocation is less than 2 mm, the fracture can be managed with casting for 6 weeks. The patient’s injured limb cannot bear weight during this period. For severe Lisfranc injuries, open reduction with internal fixation (ORIF) and temporary screw or Kirschner wire (K-wire) fixation is the treatment of choice. The foot cannot be allowed to bear weight for a minimum of 6 weeks. Partial weight-bearing may then begin, with full weight-bearing after an additional several weeks, depending on the specific injury. K-wires are typically removed after 6 weeks, before weight-bearing, while screws are often removed after 12 weeks.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
We’ve read in vague terms how Redskins coach Mike Shanahan adapted his offense to RG3’s skills. Chris Brown of Grantland.com does a great job explaining how Shanahan did it.
Washington’s attack borrowed liberally from concepts Griffin used at Baylor. The key aspect: Griffin has options when he comes to the line of scrimmage. While the offensive line and backfield perform a running play, the receivers run a different passing play. Shanahan stressed Griffin wasn’t using an audible; Griffin decided what play to run based on what the defense showed him
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This is what I am saying. Once defensive coordinators know he is using Baylor plays, they will look at Baylor tape, and devise plans against him. I am rooting for RGIII. Excellent player, excellent person. Just don’t start creating that bust in Canton just yet….
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I highly doubt it. If you believe the saints didnt study the four years of tape from baylor you are foolish indeed. That could save their defense from being throttled as RGIII toyed with them, and badly out gunned the hall of fame bound super bowl winning drew brees.
You can study until you are blue in the face but you wont be able to stop the momentum or the winds of change.
The saints tried to blitz they tried to spy they tried to play coverage they tried to take the short game , then the long game away but RGIII was just too good. he is unlike anything we have ever seen.
I said cam newton would be the best rookie qb in his class hands down and light the nfl up, and he produced the greatest rookie season for any qb in the illustrious 90 year history of the nfl. well guess what RGIII is even better than cam.
Just remember who told you first
September 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Christopher Hansen @ChrisHansenNFL
McFadden left some rushing yards on the field by picking the wrong cutback.
Christopher Hansen @ChrisHansenNFL
Stayed in to block to free up McFadden and Reece. RT @thatsjustmebein: @ChrisHansenNFL what about the tight ends?
September 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Also keep in mind that this is a defensive organization now. We’ll be trying to win games with sound defense, and our offense will specialize in ball control and consistency, and not making mistakes, more than it will focus on gambling and taking chances. It’s going to be tough on a lot of fans that want to see the Raiders going long. But I would ask these same fans if they’re tired of the mediocrity this franchise has suffered from as a result of trying to implement these high risk offenses.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
One adjustment I’d like to see from Knapp is getting the TEs involved early on. Sure, the protection wasn’t as good once they weren’t staying in to block anymore, but that’s when the Raiders finally started getting chunks of yardage.
Myers looks much improved.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Nothing will be open deep if nobody fears our running game..
The zbs is killing our run.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Can’t imagine what blog will be like if Dolphins spank us like last two years.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
when did i, the great rob_raider, become seymour bush? haven’t we both been on this blog for a long time now? haven’t we each carved out our own definite styles? poor guy beeech is really grasping at straws now. oh, wait that could be seen as a joke about his weiner. oh well. truth hurts.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Albert Puss/Klas the Gay, remember when I dissed you so hard you wished my Reggae Party Boat would sink?
Totally didn’t, nerd
Got a huge cruise tonight that … guess what? You WON’T be on
That’s called “taking this jam to the next level”
PMPP N FULL EFFECT
September 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Nothing will be open deep if nobody fears our running game..
The zbs is killing our run.
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Chargers were selling out to stop the run. Streater and DHB weren’t getting separation.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Kill the zbs! Fire knapp and hoff out of a cannon straight into the bay!! Arrr!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I think the offense is fine. We need at least one more reliable receiver, and we may need to rebuild the line. The latter could be another reason Knapp is being so careful with the playcalling. He doesn’t want to lose Palmer putting his safety in the hands of this line. Have him get rid of the ball as fast as possible. With the focus being on good defense, we only need mistake-free football from our offense and special teams. The offense game through. Special teams? Huge problem. And, it falls on Reggie because it’s his responsibility to make sure we have a second string long snapper ready to go. We could have had a fan come in there and snap on those punts and it wouldn’t have made a difference. Teaching moment for Reggie.
Defense: good
Offense: Better linemen and receivers
Special teams: long snapper situations…which looks to now be resolved with a FA signing.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I highly doubt it. If you believe the saints didnt study the four years of tape from baylor you are foolish indeed. That could save their defense from being throttled as RGIII toyed with them, and badly out gunned the hall of fame bound super bowl winning drew brees.
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There is no reason to study Baylor tape as there is no reason to study RGIII High School tape. The Ain’ts really had nothing to go on. As time goes on, the league will. Not that I am saying they will catch up to him, they may not. But I can certainly bet Philly, Dallas and New York they are certainly going to try.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
dr_robert Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
when did i, the great rob_raider, become seymour bush? haven’t we both been on this blog for a long time now? haven’t we each carved out our own definite styles? poor guy beeech is really grasping at straws now. oh, wait that could be seen as a joke about his weiner. oh well. truth hurts.
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“Carved out our own definite styles”
Just when you think it can’t get any easier to smack Nob Bust …. thank you for this
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
new blogs that are desperately needed, in order to clear this one out a bit:
black qb blog (for mistic)
raider hater blog (for sullivanand his MANY aliases)
’80s/s&m/barely-disguised-gay blog (for well, we all know)
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Chargers were selling out to stop the run. Streater and DHB weren’t getting separation.
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Hard to see WR routes on television.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
poor guy beeech is really grasping at straws now. oh, wait that could be seen as a joke about his weiner. oh well. truth hurts.
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Could be a joke, but honestly, paranoid mental illness from biachi is not that funny. She should check herself into the county.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
They didnt go 8 in the box much… hardly slling out to stop the run.. we just cant zone block.. we are big & powerful not small & quick…. plus dmac is comfy with gap blocking..
September 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Hard to see WR routes on television.
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GameRewind = All-22 tape.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
This football team hasn’t been to the playoffs in a decade. Clearly, a new GM is going to make huge changes. I wouldn’t expect to see to much of what you might have liked from the past, except maybe the uniforms. Because this organization is clearly moving forward.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Hard to see WR routes on television.
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GameRewind = All-22 tape.
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Alrighty then.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Reggie and his coaching staff clearly prioritize efficiency over risk.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
poor guy beeech is really grasping at straws now. oh, wait that could be seen as a joke about his weiner. oh well. truth hurts.
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Could be a joke, but honestly, paranoid mental illness from biachi is not that funny. She should check herself into the county.
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Peemore Nob Bust, please keep talking to yourself. Just when I think I can’t laugh any harder, I somehow find the strength to carry on
Shout out to my girl Mariah, you know we had fun in the old dayz, HOLLA
September 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Albert Puss/Klas the Gay, remember when I dissed you so hard you wished my Reggae Party Boat would sink?
Totally didn’t, nerd
Got a huge cruise tonight that … guess what? You WON’T be on
That’s called “taking this jam to the next level”
PMPP N FULL EFFECT
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oh man. u guys will miss out the wings and dominoes pizza. and the circling the bay listening to “blues music”. trapped for hours. don’t believe me? just go to yelp.
hahahhahahahhaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
a major problem for this offense beside not having a legit number 2 wr that the defense respects, was the fact that the stretch runs were not countered by any opposite actin during the game. carson only boot legged twice. this means that when dmac gets the ball on the stretch the defense can must fly to the ball regardless of gap responsibilities. they can sell out on the stretch with no threat of being caught by the qb faking the stretch run.
I dont know if anyone is aware but that is the theory behind stretch it must be married to opposite action in order to keep the defense from being so quick to penetrate.
That was like taking dmac and just slamming him into a wall.
Now will you embrace what i told you from the beginning? This is a full rebuild, and all hold over players are being evaluated to see if they will fit this new direction. It will take at least a year to turn it around, and guys like dmac and palmer must prove that they can thrive in this system.
Otherwise the coordinator no matter who you are talking about is handcuffed and cant open his play book. For proof look at how gruden inherited jeff george, and dumped him for gannon. Look how shanahan was horrendous with mcnabb beck grossman, and his offense looks entirely different with his new best player ever RGIII.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Reggie, schooled under Ron Wolf.
Ron Wolf believed in getting the best football players on the field, and the smartest coaches coaching them. Let the risks come when necessary. But the organizational building is founded on consistency. Build the foundation, then take gambles.
Al’s philosophy was: Gamble, gamble, gamble.
Those days are over.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
This football team hasn’t been to the playoffs in a decade. Clearly, a new GM is going to make huge changes. I wouldn’t expect to see to much of what you might have liked from the past, except maybe the uniforms. Because this organization is clearly moving forward.
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i thought we sucked for 25 years? ur slipping sully.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
poor guy beeech is really grasping at straws now. oh, wait that could be seen as a joke about his weiner. oh well. truth hurts.
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Could be a joke, but honestly, paranoid mental illness from biachi is not that funny. She should check herself into the county.
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Peemore Nob Bust, please keep talking to yourself. Just when I think I can’t laugh any harder, I somehow find the strength to carry on
Shout out to my girl Mariah, you know we had fun in the old dayz, HOLLA
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major difference between seymour and me. he feels sorry for u and wants u to get help. i want u to die.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Chargers were selling out to stop the run. Streater and DHB weren’t getting separation.
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Hard to see WR routes on television.
>>>>>
For 60 bucks you can watch the
coaches film” replays at NFL.com. Its pretty awesome. Wide angle views of the entire field from both the side and the rear.
Basically the Raiders got outcoached in the first half.. and then the o-line looked gassed in the second (Barnes in particular.) I couldn’t count how many times SD put 8 in the box in the first half knowing Knapp was going to do nothing besides run McF. They didn’t do it much in the second half because the Raiders fell behind. That’s why we needed that TD before half instead of a FG!
This is what we are going to see for the rest of the year folks… 8 in the box in the first half and hope the Raiders fall behind so they don’t have to in the second. Can the coaching staff figure out a fix? Stay tuned!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Chargers were selling out to stop the run. Streater and DHB weren’t getting separation.
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Hard to see WR routes on television.
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There is at least 1 pass Palmer missed but I think he was under pressure and went to the outlet. Anyway, on 1 particular play Reece was running free deep down the seam. Would have been at least 30 yards. We need to take more advantage of Reece on linebackers.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
This football team hasn’t been to the playoffs in a decade. Clearly, a new GM is going to make huge changes. I wouldn’t expect to see to much of what you might have liked from the past, except maybe the uniforms. Because this organization is clearly moving forward.
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why is it clear that this organization is moving forward. Reggie will get his chance, but to blindly say its moving forward without any results is insane. I havent been impressed by Reggie so far but he deserves time. Knapp on the other hand has a history of failing and should be gone quickly.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Man biachi really does need help. This has gone from sad to pathetic to scary in a matter of moments. Does anyone know how to tie a noose? Maybe that would end her misery.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Shout out to my girl Mariah, you know we had fun in the old dayz, HOLLA
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as we know, all playas and “serious partiers” love mariah carey. OMG. could it get anymore ridiculous? and his reggae band does a cover of a celine dion track! hahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I highly doubt it. If you believe the saints didnt study the four years of tape from baylor you are foolish indeed. That could save their defense from being throttled as RGIII toyed with them, and badly out gunned the hall of fame bound super bowl winning drew brees.
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There is no reason to study Baylor tape as there is no reason to study RGIII High School tape. The Ain’ts really had nothing to go on. As time goes on, the league will. Not that I am saying they will catch up to him, they may not. But I can certainly bet Philly, Dallas and New York they are certainly going to try.
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i cant believe that you dont know that when a player comes into the league and is running similar concepts as he did in college, NFL SCOUTS DO GO TO THE COLLEGE FILM AND MAKE CUT UPS.
You may not think there was a need, but the saints certainly did study his college film. After watching the redskins employ several elements of the baylor offenses teams will continue to look at college film to try and get a handle on how to defend this new never before seen in the pro game offense.
Do you really think that an nfl team with a full scouting department would just tell the defense “ok we no nothing about this kid, lets wing it”?
They said this offense would never work, they were wrong you just have to let the guys that run it well actually play, and stop making them play db wr and safety.
Lucky for Washington fans shanahan is on the cutting edge in this regard.
Only you and others so called fans were late to the party
September 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
This is what we are going to see for the rest of the year folks… 8 in the box in the first half and hope the Raiders fall behind so they don’t have to in the second.
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You are certainly going to see a stout Miami defense next week. This is going to get more interesting before it gets less interesting.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
a major problem for this offense beside not having a legit number 2 wr that the defense respects, was the fact that the stretch runs were not countered by any opposite actin during the game. carson only boot legged twice. this means that when dmac gets the ball on the stretch the defense can must fly to the ball regardless of gap responsibilities. they can sell out on the stretch with no threat of being caught by the qb faking the stretch run.
I dont know if anyone is aware but that is the theory behind stretch it must be married to opposite action in order to keep the defense from being so quick to penetrate.
That was like taking dmac and just slamming him into a wall.
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This is a good point, and the one time Carson did boot, he had wide open receivers all over the field to choose from. Carson needs to boot at least 5 to 7 times a game IMO, or this offense is worthless. Plus Mcfadden is great at open field running, mediocre at hitting holes.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Do you really think that an nfl team with a full scouting department would just tell the defense “ok we no nothing about this kid, lets wing it”?
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Come on, the pro game and the college game are completely different sports. If what you are saying is true, why did Tim Tebow come in and have so much success? Why didn’t they just go back to Fla tape and watch it and shut him down? There was a reason. He wasn’t running Florida plays. The league caught up to him. Now, one team has a load of tape on Griffin. They now know what he likes to do.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
So who wins tomorrow night between the Bears and the Packers?
September 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
i want u to die.
- Peemore Nob
Nice, the minion meltdown is in full swing! Hardly took any work this time
Nob Bust, i thought you were going to post the yelp review of the party boat for my blog brahs and I to enjoy?
I’m sure you won’t post your losing rap – that was too humiliating for you, obviously – but the yelp review will at least give us a solid chuckle
Do it, Punching Bag, holla
September 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
>>>>>
For 60 bucks you can watch the
coaches film” replays at NFL.com. Its pretty awesome. Wide angle views of the entire field from both the side and the rear.
Basically the Raiders got outcoached in the first half.. and then the o-line looked gassed in the second (Barnes in particular.) I couldn’t count how many times SD put 8 in the box in the first half knowing Knapp was going to do nothing besides run McF. They didn’t do it much in the second half because the Raiders fell behind. That’s why we needed that TD before half instead of a FG!
This is what we are going to see for the rest of the year folks… 8 in the box in the first half and hope the Raiders fall behind so they don’t have to in the second. Can the coaching staff figure out a fix? Stay tuned!
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I didn’t see any coaches film, but, I kinda agree that keying on McFadden, is all Defenses need to do.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Reggie, schooled under Ron Wolf.
Ron Wolf believed in getting the best football players on the field, and the smartest coaches coaching them. Let the risks come when necessary. But the organizational building is founded on consistency. Build the foundation, then take gambles.
Al’s philosophy was: Gamble, gamble, gamble.
Those days are over.
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isn’t it a gamble to be a gm of a team who has no reasonable back up snapper, or start an undrafted WR opening day when youve know for a month 2out of your 3 best WRs are hurt, or maybe signing a cb as your number 1 cb who was hurt all last year and hadnt had an int since 2008. sounds like reggie gambled alot and so far isnt winning..but he not Al right? so he automactically gets a pass. Reggie deserves time but hasnt earned”in reggie we trust” yet
September 12th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
This is what we are going to see for the rest of the year folks… 8 in the box in the first half and hope the Raiders fall behind so they don’t have to in the second.
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You are certainly going to see a stout Miami defense next week. This is going to get more interesting before it gets less interesting.
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Hopefully the coaching staff can figure out this offense is not good enough to play conservative the entire game. I think they figured just giving McF the ball running he would get 200 yards and didn’t have a backup plan when SD put 8 in the box the entire first half.
I sure wish Jones hadn’t dropped that trick play, he had one edge guy to beat and clear sailing to the endzone. The entire left side was cleared out… you can see it from the endzone replay at NFL.com. Instead it was a flop and Knapp didn’t call another trick play the rest of the game, as expected.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
another issue with the offense is a lack of creativity. If you know you cant use the qb for a major portion of the offense because he doesn’t have the goods than offset ti with mis direction with other speed and skill players. IN other words if you are not going to marry the stretch run with boot legs because the qb is a stiff athletically, then employ something like a ghost reverse motion.
tim brown rice and gannon were slow as molasses when they played here, but the ghost motion would freeze the defense and open passing lanes allowing guys to separate.
You have dmac dhb and reece and you didnt use any motions or misdirection to capitalize on their speed.
DHB being doubled down the field and dmac swinging out in the flat should have meant reece could match up 1 on 1 with a guy that isnt good enough or fats enough to cover him.
Also why no bubble screens? DHB is a very good run after the catch player and bubble screens are just as good at stretch runs in terms of seeing up seams in the defense and the middle of the field.
Although the players may be ill suited for the new wco, i think knapp could be a bit more creative with our speed player and give us some favorable match ups as well. he did palmer no favors and kind of left him out to dry.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown minion meltdown
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oh beeech. ur so funny.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
beeech getting ready for his party:
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September 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I didn’t see any coaches film, but, I kinda agree that keying on McFadden, is all Defenses need to do.
>>>>
A good coach could key on this and pounce! And yes, its Allen that is coach, not Knapp. If Miami is expecting McFadden and nothing else, a premier coaching staff can put together a game plan to prey on this.
If we see no changes, I blame Allen, not Knapp. The buck stops at the top. This isn’t rocket science… umm, Mr. Knapp… you are being too predictable. STOP IT!
It’s the same damn problem we had on defense the last decade.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
dr_robert Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Shout out to my girl Mariah, you know we had fun in the old dayz, HOLLA
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as we know, all playas and “serious partiers” love mariah carey. OMG. could it get anymore ridiculous? and his reggae band does a cover of a celine dion track! hahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!
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Peemore Nob, next time put a bunch more exclamation points after hahaha so we know you’re really cracking up hard
Too funny, minion. Keep the hits comin’
September 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Talking about blowing the team up after one frickin’ game is asinine.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“FIRE”, “DEMOTE”, “RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER AND REASSIGN GREG KNAPP TO QB COACH TO HELP TERRELLE PRYOR DEVELOP!!
THIS IS THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO GET OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE FROM OUR PLAYERS AND STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!
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Yo
September 12th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Where’s my name on that list?
September 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Also why no bubble screens?
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Knapp didn’t call screens the first time he was with us. Allen needs to FIX THIS. Or somebody does. I am already sick of blaming this all on Knapp. Allen knew what he was getting when he hired him. NOW FIX IT.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Do you really think that an nfl team with a full scouting department would just tell the defense “ok we no nothing about this kid, lets wing it”?
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Come on, the pro game and the college game are completely different sports. If what you are saying is true, why did Tim Tebow come in and have so much success? Why didn’t they just go back to Fla tape and watch it and shut him down? There was a reason. He wasn’t running Florida plays. The league caught up to him. Now, one team has a load of tape on Griffin. They now know what he likes to do.
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not really
tebows lack of passing skill is what caught up to him last year. The zone read offense was man handling defenses so teams tried to dare tebow to beat them passing in the playoffs. He did it against pitsburgh but couldnt maintain the passing performance against the next foe.
Tebow was running the zone read offense he ran at florida
September 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Anybody thinking firing the OC after one game just doesn’t know football. Sorry guys, you are exhibiting how little you know about the game with this list. Someone should start a list of the people here that AREN’T morons. Nobody changes OC’s during the season for a reason. IT’S A COMPLICATED GAME. Knapp has the plays to call.. he just needs better direction in calling them. This starts from the top down, not bottom up.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
So what do we draft first next year? …….TE…….CB……. OL?
September 12th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
DE!
B Jenkins!
September 12th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Ford is looking like Chaz Schilens 2.0 right now. That darn foot…
September 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
beeech is my minion. i own him. i am his master. he is the gimp.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
ok. i didn’t write that. disgusting.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Trade your food stamps for a game ticket.
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KoolKell Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Hard to see WR routes on television.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
i would absolutely love to hear beeech’s reggae version of celine dion. that would probably be the funniest thing i ever heard. i’m fuking cracking up just thinking about it.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Anybody thinking firing the OC after one game just doesn’t know football. Sorry guys, you are exhibiting how little you know about the game with this list. Someone should start a list of the people here that AREN’T morons. Nobody changes OC’s during the season for a reason. IT’S A COMPLICATED GAME. Knapp has the plays to call.. he just needs better direction in calling them. This starts from the top down, not bottom up.
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your right let wait till we are 1-4 or maybe 3 and 7.then the season will be over…the difference is most of the people on that list know Saunders should have been OC and also know he is available to take over. BTW in my opinion, Knapp is pretty high up not at the bottom..
September 12th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
The first play of the game was a screen to DMAC.
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Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Also why no bubble screens?
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Knapp didn’t call screens the first time he was with us. Allen needs to FIX THIS. Or somebody does. I am already sick of blaming this all on Knapp. Allen knew what he was getting when he hired him. NOW FIX IT.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Should we fire Knapp? NO
Should we get Saunders more involved and ready to takeover play calling? YES!
September 12th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
MaxtallicA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
So what do we draft first next year? …….TE…….CB……. OL?
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WTF
Who gIves a f..k about next year. It’s week 2. Get some glass cleaner for your belly and you’ll see we are going to be better after 4 weeks than we are after 1. Knapp has to improve, but so do the other parts of our team. This will get better. As bad as we were if Condo keeps his senses we have a legit shot to win. Years past we lose by 30!
September 12th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
We kept Saunders and gave him an extension for a reason.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
The fire Knapp list is just 5 guys pretending to be 40 other guys on this blog. Same as any other day.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Gregory Knapp is this years Bresnahan!
Pryor will be starter by week 10.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Funny seeing a bunch of redskin jerseys being sported around town. Where did these fans come from?
September 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Knapp will stretch the field Sunday when D Moore is in the lineup. We didn’t have a deep threat Monday night. Despite DHB being a so called “speedster” he gets no separation and hasn’t caught a deep ball in his life.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
These pro knapp guys. What are you guys gonna be saying by week 4?? Im willing to give him this week but if you dont see anything new. Its gonna be a wasted season. With wasting this type of talent that doesnt fit the scheme
September 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
ArmChair GM:
I´ll wait the next 3 weeks to fire or not fire GKnapp.
Sorry, I don´t like to make a hasty decision.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I,m back. What did I miss.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Trade your food stamps for a game ticket.
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KoolKell Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Hard to see WR routes on television.
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Your trailer stinking again? Geez, you ought to do something about that.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
120.purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I,m back. What did I miss.
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It depends when you went away.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Just Win Baby Says: The fire Knapp list is just 5 guys pretending to be 40 other guys on this blog. Same as any other day.//////////
I,m almost on that list. Not yet , but I don’t think that list is half ersatz.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Talking about blowing the team up after one frickin’ game is asinine.
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In a game with 4 turnovers these geniuses think its the O coordinartors fault we lose?
Brilliant!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
MEX_GHOST Says: It depends when you went away. /////////////////////Twice today and last night as well.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
125.purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
MEX_GHOST Says: It depends when you went away. /////////////////////Twice today and last night as well.
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Well, you only did miss 5 trolls added in the FIRE KNAPP list.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
ProFootballTalk
NFL security says Raiders have cleaned up the Black Hole//////////////////////What the fvck?
September 12th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Michael Gehlken @
The Chargers home opener, despite some aggressive marketing, may be blacked out//////////There is good news out there.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
nyraider Says:
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your right let wait till we are 1-4 or maybe 3 and 7.then the season will be over…the difference is most of the people on that list know Saunders should have been OC and also know he is available to take over. BTW in my opinion, Knapp is pretty high up not at the bottom..
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Kinda funny watching all the people that hated Al because of his knee-jerking and gambling demanding we panic, knee-jerk, and gamble!!
I thought this was supposed to be more of an even-keeled, sensible organization that made sound long term decisions?
You want Al back instead!
Too funny!
September 12th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Strange how you and your libtard tr0ll buddy Peemour Bush have been repeating the same tired lines for years like mental patients.
Must be some chemical imbalance libs have in their DNA which makes them ignorant.
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KoolKell Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Your trailer stinking again? Geez, you ought to do something about that.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Well, you only did miss 5 trolls added in the FIRE KNAPP list.////////////////I’m not going to do that. YET.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
knapp can help out palmer dhb and dmac, by using more 2 back sets with reece. reece is a player that will need to be accounted for by the defense. a simple fb dive coupled with a few dive fakes could do wonders
For instance fb dive on one play. next time fake the dive and run the toss sweep, or bring a reverse from dhb, or simply drop back and pass after the fake.
Knapp will need to utilize these kinds of things to help out the offense that at this point is a virtual mis matched hodge podge of personnel ill suited for this offnese
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Gdog Says: You want Al back instead!////////Didn’t want him to leave. He IS the Raiders.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
MistaBrown Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Knapp will stretch the field Sunday when D Moore is in the lineup. We didn’t have a deep threat Monday night. Despite DHB being a so called “speedster” he gets no separation and hasn’t caught a deep ball in his life.
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I get the feeling that Carson just doesn’t trust him.
I agree… I think we will see a much better team next week.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Knapp could use two backs and send dmac one way and reece the other and let the defense pick their poison. he can also motion out reece to create a single back set but that would also match reece up on guy that cant cover him
September 12th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Coaching staff has already said they need to utilize Reece more… and anyone looking at film will see the wide open looks on the Jones fumble and Carson boot.
This isn’t the Raiders of old… mistakes will be corrected and the team will improve every week. We have a nice mix of veterans and youth.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Rolando McClain on Miami heat/humidity. “It’s just hot. It’s not like you died. It’s just a little sun. Drink some water, you’ll be fine.”/////////////////////That’s what I’m talking about.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Gdog Says: You want Al back instead!////////Didn’t want him to leave. He IS the Raiders.
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I was an Al apologist until his dying days, and caught a lot of garbage for it. I’d do it all the same over again.
But anyone with any honesty can see he was gambling wildly towards the end hoping for nothing more than a quick ring before he died.
It was not the right way to run an organization.
Neither is firing Knapp after one week.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Rolando McClain on Miami heat/humidity. “It’s just hot. It’s not like you died. It’s just a little sun. Drink some water, you’ll be fine.”/////////////////////That’s what I’m talking about.
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Nothing worse than the heat in the south. I hated it when I lived there.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I think we are going to the playoffs. I don’t understand the level of panic in here
September 12th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
bubble screens to DHB would also set up pump and go game, it can be married with dmac running inside or reece on the fb dive. There are a million ways to kick up the offense ion the wco if knapp is a bit more creative, even with out having an athletic qb
September 12th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Man, I agree with posts 138, 139 and 140.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
No fun with nobody to disagree with.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
That’s not true. I like agreeing with most in here.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Nyraider Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Reggie, schooled under Ron Wolf.
Ron Wolf believed in getting the best football players on the field, and the smartest coaches coaching them. Let the risks come when necessary. But the organizational building is founded on consistency. Build the foundation, then take gambles.
Al’s philosophy was: Gamble, gamble, gamble.
Those days are over.
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isn’t it a gamble to be a gm of a team who has no reasonable back up snapper, or start an undrafted WR opening day when youve know for a month 2out of your 3 best WRs are hurt, or maybe signing a cb as your number 1 cb who was hurt all last year and hadnt had an int since 2008. sounds like reggie gambled alot and so far isnt winning..but he not Al right? so he automactically gets a pass. Reggie deserves time but hasnt earned”in reggie we trust” yet
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Don’t use logic on MaddenRaider. He doesn’t know jacksh!t about Al Davis, Ron Wolf, Reggie McKenzie or Spuds McKenzie for that matter.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Just read a quote from Tom Flores
“En los pantalonas, Knapps verga es muy pacito”
September 12th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Anybody thinking firing the OC after one game just doesn’t know football. Sorry guys, you are exhibiting how little you know about the game with this list. Someone should start a list of the people here that AREN’T morons. Nobody changes OC’s during the season for a reason. IT’S A COMPLICATED GAME. Knapp has the plays to call.. he just needs better direction in calling them. This starts from the top down, not bottom up.
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Yes its only one game and maybe its a lil overreaction, but Knapp has a history and he is stuck in his ways. I was one of the people telling Kell and others its only preseason and we will see a offense on Monday night that can score TDs. Well I was wrong and they were right, the only TD came in garbage time. I said earlier that we should give Knapp another chance and if we see the same thing the next couple weeks atleast we have Saunders here for a backup plan. I have my name on that list and Im fine with that, if he proves me wrong I will be to happy to care that I doubted him and I would be first to admit I was wrong, just like I told Kell I was wrong in regards to the preseason not mattering.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
No more zbs
September 12th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
The Falcons will beat the Broncos. We will beat the dolphins. All things even again. Titans will win too. Maybe.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Teams change coordinators every yr.. what are you talking about? Pro teams change because the coordinator isnt getting it done. College team change around bowl season cause coordinators get better jobs and leave early.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Our offensive coaches are trying to implement a modern day offense, as opposed to the archaic offense we were using beforehand. If we were to make a change in the coaching staff that would put us further into the direction of an archaic offense, it would just be downtime in our efforts to modernizing our offense. It’s going to take time. The dumbest thing we could do now is use instant gratification as a measuring stick and start to go backward philosophically.
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Right MaddenRaider, That offense was 16th in points in scoring last season without our best player since week 7 and a QB at that same time who was sitting on his couch without any training camp to get assimilated to our offense. And the previous season we were #6 in scoring with Jason Campbell at QB & DHB/Murphy at the WR position.
WHy go into an archaic offense like that when we got Knapp-time offense that gets you maybe 3 FG’s a game.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Raiders will draft best player available with our first round draft pick; leads to Raider trivia for the day.
Which was the last to happen by our Raiders, reach the playoffs or draft a player in the first round (bet you can’t remember w/o Google/Bing)?
September 12th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Ghost Z reverse action on two
September 12th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
You don’t need Google for that one.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Teams change coordinators every yr.. what are you talking about? Pro teams change because the coordinator isnt getting it done. College team change around bowl season cause coordinators get better jobs and leave early.
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After one week?
Name one.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Im high but it has to be romac
September 12th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Haha, Aaron Rodgers is calling the niners cheaters. You can tell he used to be a niner fan, crybaby wuss
September 12th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I didnt say after 1 week. But we are just wasting time on knapp.. his offense is over 30 yrs old and it doesnt fit our players..
September 12th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Yes its only one game and maybe its a lil overreaction, but Knapp has a history and he is stuck in his ways. I was one of the people telling Kell and others its only preseason and we will see a offense on Monday night that can score TDs.
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Personally I think they thought they could just toss McFadden the ball and score unlimited TDs.
This was the first real game.
Practice games are meaningless.
Relax people… if the offense is anemic after 4 weeks its time to panic. Better yet 6.
We have Miami set up perfectly in that our run defense is fixed and they don’t have a Rivers to bail them out. Plus they will almost certainly stack 8 in the box to mimic SD… which SHOULD get Knapp licking his chops.
5 to 7 bootlegs and we will be raining TDs…
September 12th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Core players, Raiders that will not be traded:
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Moore, Streater, Branch, Huff, Burris, Wheeler, Condo.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Marks hair Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I didnt say after 1 week. But we are just wasting time on knapp.. his offense is over 30 yrs old and it doesnt fit our players..
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Its pretty similar to GB’s.
Is that what you think of their offense, and could you give specifics?
September 12th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
After 4 weeks the season could be over.. im not looking to see tp this yr.. fix it now
September 12th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Gdog Says: You want Al back instead!////////Didn’t want him to leave. He IS the Raiders.
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I was an Al apologist until his dying days, and caught a lot of garbage for it. I’d do it all the same over again.
But anyone with any honesty can see he was gambling wildly towards the end hoping for nothing more than a quick ring before he died.
It was not the right way to run an organization.
Neither is firing Knapp after one week.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly!! It’s why we didn’t have any continuity which hurt the organization, fans and players. Knowing now he was as sick he was though, I don’t blame him.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
They both seen so long ago, just tryin to humurous
September 12th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Raiders D has to get better at covering those lil dumpoffs in the flats..
Reggie bush is a quick one and he can ruin any defense fast. Remember last year
September 12th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Raiders vs Miami is a must win.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
The wco is over 30 yrs old.. our o from last yr is very similar to the giants o… i didnt get your point. i dont think age matters.. but since you said we were archaic…
September 12th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Our oline is all big guys built for power blocking.. we’re wasting the season.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Klas got invited to Jeremy Ware’s birthday bash on facebook. Klas feels like real baller now.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Raiders do not win two out of next three, I see McFadden playing in Green Bay or Detroit.
Other players to be traded: Heyward-Bey, Kelly, Seymour, Barksdale, anyone of the qbs, Janokowski, Lechler, Giordano, Mitchell, Shaughnessy.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Gdog Says: You want Al back instead!////////Didn’t want him to leave. He IS the Raiders.
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I was an Al apologist until his dying days, and caught a lot of garbage for it. I’d do it all the same over again.
But anyone with any honesty can see he was gambling wildly towards the end hoping for nothing more than a quick ring before he died.
It was not the right way to run an organization.
Neither is firing Knapp after one week.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly!! It’s why we didn’t have any continuity which hurt the organization, fans and players. Knowing now he was as sick he was though, I don’t blame him.
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Ok, then why was everybody so darn quick to wanna fire Hue Jackson? Talk about lack of continuity in the HC position. He goes 8-8 with all the issues he had to go thru and people couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
The same people that are preaching “Rome wasn’t built in a day” and have “patience with Reggie” and all that are the same ones who were calling for Hue’s head almost immediately.
These same ones have unwavering faith in Reggie…even though he hasn’t done anything yet, but a coach who has actually had success as an OC and had a decent 1st yr. stint as HC is villified as a “pimp”, “liar” and everything else in the book.
I’m not saying i’m against Reggie or DA but it seems kind of contradictory to the “patience this was a mess” contingency here.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
160.RaiderRetribution Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Core players, Raiders that will not be traded:
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Moore, Streater, Branch, Huff, Burris, Wheeler, Condo.
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I was a bit buzzed during the game and was too lazy to record it. But when I made a point to watch Burris I was pretty impressed on how close to ball he always seemed to be. Seems to be a really good #4 pick.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
We dont have any passrushers.. im looking at 1-4 maybe 0-5
September 12th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Ok, then why was everybody so darn quick to wanna fire Hue Jackson? Talk about lack of continuity in the HC position. He goes 8-8 with all the issues he had to go thru and people couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
The same people that are preaching “Rome wasn’t built in a day” and have “patience with Reggie” and all that are the same ones who were calling for Hue’s head almost immediately.
These same ones have unwavering faith in Reggie…even though he hasn’t done anything yet, but a coach who has actually had success as an OC and had a decent 1st yr. stint as HC is villified as a “pimp”, “liar” and everything else in the book.
I’m not saying i’m against Reggie or DA but it seems kind of contradictory to the “patience this was a mess” contingency here.
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Bingo!..again.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Hue was canned because he had a big mouf.. even his close friend said he realized he should have toned it down. He just flat out didnt get along with mark.
He still should have been here. No he is coaching dbacks which he doesnt do.. and we have knapp. SMH
September 12th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
now*
September 12th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Gdog Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
purvisman Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Gdog Says: You want Al back instead!////////Didn’t want him to leave. He IS the Raiders.
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I was an Al apologist until his dying days, and caught a lot of garbage for it. I’d do it all the same over again.
But anyone with any honesty can see he was gambling wildly towards the end hoping for nothing more than a quick ring before he died.
It was not the right way to run an organization.
Neither is firing Knapp after one week.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly!! It’s why we didn’t have any continuity which hurt the organization, fans and players. Knowing now he was as sick he was though, I don’t blame him.
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Ok, then why was everybody so darn quick to wanna fire Hue Jackson? Talk about lack of continuity in the HC position. He goes 8-8 with all the issues he had to go thru and people couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
The same people that are preaching “Rome wasn’t built in a day” and have “patience with Reggie” and all that are the same ones who were calling for Hue’s head almost immediately.
These same ones have unwavering faith in Reggie…even though he hasn’t done anything yet, but a coach who has actually had success as an OC and had a decent 1st yr. stint as HC is villified as a “pimp”, “liar” and everything else in the book.
I’m not saying i’m against Reggie or DA but it seems kind of contradictory to the “patience this was a mess” contingency here
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DJ, we don’t agree on much, but this is the post of the day (with all due respect to Mistic). YoungAmerican tried to lump me in with the “fire Knapp now crowd” (not that they’re wrong). Hell, I was pissed that we fired Knapp the 1st time because I thought he was doing a great job with JR. At the end of the day, we need continuity. The best teams have it. That’s why I was pissed that Hue was fired. The guy came in and made an IMPACT! Just pissed we’re starting over again.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Should have sold that Jacoby Ford stock when it was at it’s high.
5′8, injury prone WR’s are just too difficult to rely upon, no matter how dynamic (and Ford is as dynamic in the open field as they come).
He may help in the years ahead, but we have to take a Chaz Schilens approach with him, where anything above nothing EXCEEDS expectations, because we should have none.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
I was not on the fire hue train. But I guess it he had to go. Bit for Christ sake y not keep the f’kin scheme. It clearly produced wins. That’s my beef. As I said earlier. Sf fired singletary but kept the scheme. Defense needed the overhaul.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Commitment to Injury.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
“It’s not like you died or anything. It’s just a little sun. Drink some water, you’ll be fine.”
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The brilliance of our MLB.
“It’s not like you died or anything”, lol.
I love this guy!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
We will see as the season Progress how the offense fairs.
That’s fa sho
September 12th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I do not want Jacoby Ford back. 1 or 2 good games a season does nothing for us. We need big wide receivers!
September 12th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I thought Huebert was the “Assistant special teams’s coach” I could be wrong.
Anyway, Huebert dismissed himself from any type of elite NFL status. Not sure if he did something else besides open his big mouth, or if he did something that turned off 31 other HC’s, GM’s and owners.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
You can’t pigeon hole a system when structuring a new organization.
You close off half if not more of the prospective candidates by being close-minded like that.
They obviously kept Saunders and are paying him to do something. Matt Leinart said the playbook is 80% the same as Houston’s, I would bet the other 20% is Saunders input.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Regarding post #91 – Sullivan While all your posts lately have been very insightful – Gannon was not slow for a QB. Ask Shawn Springs a CB who picked off Gannon and was litterly run down by him. I was embarrassed for him. Gannon must of had at least 4.4 speed. Like Vick defenses had to be careful to keep containment on him.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Before we signed Hue, there was an SI article about him leaving the Ravens and the coaching staff there thinking it wasn’t a day too soon.
I think that is impacting his prowess around the league more than his time here. Most teams give our guys that worked with Al pretty much a pass on things.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
160.RaiderRetribution Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Core players, Raiders that will not be traded:
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Moore, Streater, Branch, Huff, Burris, Wheeler, Condo.
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I was a bit buzzed during the game and was too lazy to record it. But when I made a point to watch Burris I was pretty impressed on how close to ball he always seemed to be. Seems to be a really good #4 pick.
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next time watch mcclain and see the difference.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
It is only a smart move that D. Moore missed the opener if we win in Miami. Our receivers did nothing vs. the hated Chargers!
September 12th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Hue was canned because he had a big mouf.. even his close friend said he realized he should have toned it down. He just flat out didnt get along with mark.
He still should have been here. No he is coaching dbacks which he doesnt do.. and we have knapp. SMH
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That whole Hue thing was blown way out of proportion. Yeah, Hue was talking about he wanted more control. More control of the damn defense which he should have. Everybody knows Al had a hand in the defense decision making. Hue wanted to bring in his own D guy. Reggie’s ego is why Hue is not here= “I want to bring my own guys”. I don’t think it was Mark.
Reggie did not do what was best for the team. Keeping Hue for at least one more year and fixing the D would have been the smart thing to do. Reggie is not smart.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Should have sold that Jacoby Ford stock when it was at it’s high.
5′8, injury prone WR’s are just too difficult to rely upon, no matter how dynamic (and Ford is as dynamic in the open field as they come).
He may help in the years ahead, but we have to take a Chaz Schilens approach with him, where anything above nothing EXCEEDS expectations, because we should have none.
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I was hoping and even expecting Ford and Kelly to get traded last spring. Why? Ford was malcontent and Kelly is undiciplined. Lets just say my suggestion at the time was not very popular. I bet Reggie M. considered it but could not get what he wanted.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Weren’t there reports that The Reggie and Hue were “friends”, knew each other personally for years and shared the same agent?
September 12th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Lets just say my suggestion at the time was not very popular.
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You too huh?
I was told my suggestion of trading Ford would be the stupidest thing this organization could do, and you don’t trade “talent” like that.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Every organizationn is going to make mistakes.
The key to being a good organization is to learn from your mistakes, rectify them as soon as possible and not repeat them.
The Raids already made the Krapp mistake once. Been there, done that. Incredibly, we’re going down the same avenue again.
What’s amusing about the current Krapp situation, is that even his supporters won’t say he’s a good OC.
Instead we hear stuff like ‘I’ll give him 4 weeks to get it together’, or ‘Good teams don’t switch OC’s after a week or two’.
Well, here’s a news flash for you. If it takes you 4 weeks to accept that the guy stinks, the season is doomed. In fact, the difference between making the playoffs or sitting at home is so razor thin that it’s not a stretch to say that Knapp’s malfeasance in game one alone likely cost a playoff berth.
Bottom line – Knapp should have never been hired to begin with. The sooner the Raids acknowledge making this mistake and take corrective action, the better.
The only valid reason to retain Knapp is if you think he’s a top notch OC.
All the other rationalizations as to why he should be retained or allowed to continue on as OC is a bunch of babbling BS.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
The Reggie clearly drives a hard bargain, is frugal and relies heavily on his coaching staff.
So why don’t we just assume than, that Saunders is providing input into this offense?
Lord knows The Reggie isn’t down to pay some guy he isn’t associated with, 6 figures for some Emeritus position.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
1 game and people are ready to blow up the team. Instant gratification doesn’t work. We all (at least some of us) knew coming into the season this was going to be a year of change from management down to the players. New system/attitude takes time. If you can’t be patient and wait for good things to happen, and they will, they’re 31 other teams you can pull for.
Raiders 24
Chickens of the Sea 10
September 12th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Beach Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Commitment to Injury.
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C2I
September 12th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Before we signed Hue, there was an SI article about him leaving the Ravens and the coaching staff there thinking it wasn’t a day too soon.
I think that is impacting his prowess around the league more than his time here. Most teams give our guys that worked with Al pretty much a pass on things.
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You can rail on all day long about where Hue is today, but it doesn’t change the damn good work he did here. Mike Bush left here to be a backup, but he was damn good here. Both Willie Shaw and John Marshall were damn good DCs here and were replaced by Chuck Breshnahan!! But that doesn’t say a thing about what they did here. You can keep this crusade against Hue up as long as you like, but you must know your bulschit is easy as hell to see through.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Yeah, all the Hue “Pimp” talk is very obvious.
September 12th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Weren’t there reports that The Reggie and Hue were “friends”, knew each other personally for years and shared the same agent?
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Exactly, I was surprised that Hue was not retained at the time but not in retrospect. People have short memories. Like I have said many times it was not just Hue’s big mouth it was that he was forming an AD Messiah complex and wheeling and dealing and doing lots of things he really should not be doign and not doing things he should be doing. Pryor actually said no one even talked to him last year. How do you develop talent like that? Palmer said he did not expect to play against KC so he prepared a certain way and then was thrown in there even though there was no injury. After AD’s death it was time for Hue to take responsibility for the Defense but acted like it was someone elses team or something. At the end of the year a lot of his need for more control sounded more like blame shifting to me.
I am glad Hue is gone but like many I did like the scheme that was developed with him and Saunders. I was hoping for Saunders but maybe he did not want all that responsibility at his age.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
There is no BS.
Hue sucked as a HC, was fired, and took a league wide demotion.
That’s my stance, the facts support it.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Regarding post @194 – Who died and made you an ominshient judge of success or failure. You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion is that it is way to early to make a judgement like this.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Every organizationn is going to make mistakes.
The key to being a good organization is to learn from your mistakes, rectify them as soon as possible and not repeat them.
The Raids already made the Krapp mistake once. Been there, done that. Incredibly, we’re going down the same avenue again.
What’s amusing about the current Krapp situation, is that even his supporters won’t say he’s a good OC.
Instead we hear stuff like ‘I’ll give him 4 weeks to get it together’, or ‘Good teams don’t switch OC’s after a week or two’.
Well, here’s a news flash for you. If it takes you 4 weeks to accept that the guy stinks, the season is doomed. In fact, the difference between making the playoffs or sitting at home is so razor thin that it’s not a stretch to say that Knapp’s malfeasance in game one alone likely cost a playoff berth.
Bottom line – Knapp should have never been hired to begin with. The sooner the Raids acknowledge making this mistake and take corrective action, the better.
The only valid reason to retain Knapp is if you think he’s a top notch OC.
All the other rationalizations as to why he should be retained or allowed to continue on as OC is a bunch of babbling BS.
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Exactly…and what you see MaddenRaider doing, is saying that ‘well Reggie is here, so he’s brilliant.” You notice that 99% of the guys(myself included) is not calling for Allen’s head since we are impressed with his defense adjustments & the hiring of Tarver, yet we have a right to be pi$$ed since he wanted to spend big money on a POS play caller like Knapp and replaced Fassel with Hoffman.
And Reggie, traded our a healthy young veteran in Murphy when he knew Moore & Ford had injury issues and went with two unproven rookies. Then he cuts a CB in his 2nd year. I guess he was betting that Ron Bartell wouldn’t get injured. I mean why think that? *sarcasm
Oh and I don’t advocating getting rid of Reggie, but he hasn’t earned any form of trust either.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Raiders for life Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I thought Huebert was the “Assistant special teams’s coach” I could be wrong.
Anyway, Huebert dismissed himself from any type of elite NFL status. Not sure if he did something else besides open his big mouth, or if he did something that turned off 31 other HC’s, GM’s and owners.
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Yeah, he did something. Maybe they’re just scared he’ll try and take over.
I think in the coaching fraternity of the NFL there’s a certain way you have to conduct yourself and Hue didn’t tow the line.
Was he perfect? Heck no, but i’ve seen much worse in a first yr. coach.
IMO Knapp as an OC compared to Hue as a coach? C’mon.
Based on Knapps 1st stint here and what we saw Mon. nite? What has he done to impress?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Hue was a good OC, and probably could be a good one again, but I don’t think grown men want to put up with his BS, that’s why he ends up coaching a new team every 2-3 years.
More suited for the collegiate game, and I would love if Cal would can Tedford and hire Hue Jackson.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Knapp’s record as a OC is below avg. I wonder why DA hired him. Does he like that kind of football?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Hue was a good OC, and probably could be a good one again, but I don’t think grown men want to put up with his BS, that’s why he ends up coaching a new team every 2-3 years.
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Yeah, whatever. I think there are several guys in the Raider lockeroom that would disagree.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
There is no BS.
Hue sucked as a HC, was fired, and took a league wide demotion.
That’s my stance, the facts support it.
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So why are you ignoring the facts about Knapp? lol
He was demoted to QB coach the last 2 years of his career, he was fired, and his offense was ranked in the 20’s in scoring the last 4 years of his career as OC.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
I think there are several guys in the Raider lockeroom that would disagree.
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So we are going to counter a fact with an opinion?
Checkmate
September 12th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
So why are you ignoring the facts about Knapp?
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I like to make them up as I go along, lol.
Knapp has had success, and until he fails in Oakland I support our OC.
One game does not constitue a failure. His first game was better than Hue’s first game!!!
Hope is on the horizon
September 12th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
“but I don’t think grown men want to put up with his BS”
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Nope, countering an opinion with an opinion. And from what I’ve read, a lot of the guys respected Hue.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
There is no BS.
Hue sucked as a HC, was fired, and took a league wide demotion.
That’s my stance, the facts support it.
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It was is FIRST YEAR. Hue did not suck as a HC.
-The offense was great.
-Starting QB and lead leading NFL rusher went down.
-The penalties have been the Raider way forever.
- Al fired Willie Shaw and John Marshall.
- You can’t blame the crap D on Hue.
-Missed the playoffs by one game.
Adjustments would have been made this year and the team would have been top tier.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
I can’t wait until Sunday so you guys will have a different dead horse to beat.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
The nature of the NFL is that you cannot afford to just ‘waste’ games. This isn’t baseball.
We are in the very real position of having a must win game this Sunday and our season just started two days ago? How insane is that? But it’s true.
The “lets be patient with Knapp” crowd doesn’t care if the playoffs are on the line cuz they either:
-Didn’t think we had a chance in the first place and look at this is some throw away rebuilding year.
..or
-Raiders really aren’t their “primary” team anyway and they are more worried about SF.
-Are just “football” guys with no emotional investment either way. Probably young guys cuz they feel we have all the time in the world for a lengthy rebuild and can for whatever reason wait even longer to see the Raiders have success.
There are some who felt we had/have enuff talent on the roster to make a run to the playoffs (not SB necessarily)and are ticked off that the season quite possibly could be over before it even started. These may be a little resentful of some guy who is forcing his failed ideas on a talented football team..thusly ruining all of our potential football joy.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Ford’s surgery to repair Lisfranc injury Raiders coach Dennis Allen said wide receiver Jacoby Ford’s surgery went well. He also revealed for the first time that Ford suffered the dreaded Lisfranc injury. “It’s a hard injury to come back from,” running back Darren McF… [...]
September 12th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Knapp’s record as a OC is below avg. I wonder why DA hired him. Does he like that kind of football?
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I understand that they are good friends who golf together. It’s a bad idea loaning friends & relatives money or hiring them to work for you. Sooner or later the friendship is doomed.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Regarding post @194 – Who died and made you an ominshient judge of success or failure. You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion is that it is way to early to make a judgement like this.
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I’m not omniscient and never claimed to be.
However, unlike you, I’ve already made a judgement about Krapp, and it’s not a favorable one. Rest assured it wasn’t a snap judgement based on Monday night only. In case you don’t realize it, this isn’t Knapp’s first job and he does have a track record from which an evaluation of his worthiness can be derived.
Get back to me when you make up your mind about him.
I expect that’ll be sometime soon. Or maybe it’ll take you a few years to realize he stinks.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Raider 0
there was a lot of crap going on besides x’s and o’s with Knapp here the first time. First of all he took over in the aftermath of the infamous B and B offense which was the worst offense ever! He took that group and developed a decent run game in spite of having scrub QBs that allowed defensive lines to stack 8 in the box (note Cable deserves a lot of credit for this as well). He was involved in the whole Kiffin, AD, and Cable love triange and rumor was he was asked to be head coach. When Kiffen was fired in the middle of the 08 season Cable took over play calling from Knapp over the 2nd half of the season. While it is true McFadden did not florish in 08 with Knapp it should be noted that was preoccupied trying to get Jbustus working and then did not even call plays in the 2nd half of the season. Knapp left for Seattle in 09. After a year in Seattle he was fired and then went to Houston as a QB coach. 0 he was not “demoted.” My guess is if we did not sign him he would have been an OC somewhere again.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I keep reading from people on how the Raiders were a playoff team last year, or one win away.
Step back and realize something. That team would of gotten destroyed in the playoffs. They weren’t a playoff team.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
So why are you ignoring the facts about Knapp?
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I like to make them up as I go along, lol.
Knapp has had success, and until he fails in Oakland I support our OC.
One game does not constitue a failure. His first game was better than Hue’s first game!!!
Hope is on the horizon
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LMAO! Hue’s first game was an early game on the road at Tennessee with Jason Campbell in his 1st game as QB. Knapp was at home on MNF with a raucous crowd and a very beatable opponent. Knapp-time was provided with a million times better defensive play that Hue got in Nashville, and was only able to muster up 6 points with Carson & DMC.
And Hue gave us the 6th rated scoring offense that year. What’s the chances of Knapp getting in the top 20 if he keeps his job all year?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
DJ Johnny,
I guess at this point…..could you play some Nazereth “Now you’re messing with a SOB” and dedicate it to Dennis Allen.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
-The offense was great.
-Starting QB and lead leading NFL rusher went down.
-The penalties have been the Raider way forever.
- Al fired Willie Shaw and John Marshall.
- You can’t blame the crap D on Hue.
-Missed the playoffs by one game.
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Offense last year was 16th in scoring, hardly great.
Penalites have never been worse, and already seem to be immediately fixed.
Hue was the HC, he deserves blame for the defense, just as DA will deserve blame if our offense stalls and fails.
Missed the worst division in football by one game. Nowhere close to the wildcard. 1-4 down the stretch of the season.
I wouldn’t have been overly upset if Hue stayed, but if DA gets fired tomorrow, he will be AT WORST a DC for another team next year. Hue was canned, and is serving breakfast these days.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
I can’t wait until Sunday so you guys will have a different dead horse to beat.
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Hilarious!! Thanks for telling me which “dead horses to beat” Dad. Believe me, if we lose to this year’s garbage version of the Dolphins, I’ll be beating dead horses you’ve never seen.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
What’s the chances of Knapp getting in the top 20 if he keeps his job all year?
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Very good.
In fact, I already bet on it.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
-The offense was great.
-Starting QB and lead leading NFL rusher went down.
-The penalties have been the Raider way forever.
– Al fired Willie Shaw and John Marshall.
– You can’t blame the crap D on Hue.
-Missed the playoffs by one game.
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Penalites have never been worse, and already seem to be immediately fixed.
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Yeah, so?? We’re 0-1.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
The “lets be patient with Knapp” crowd doesn’t care if the playoffs are on the line cuz they either:
-Didn’t think we had a chance in the first place and look at this is some throw away rebuilding year.
..or
-Raiders really aren’t their “primary” team anyway and they are more worried about SF.
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Or “C”… nobody besides insane moronic knee-jerk uninformed clueless no-nothing football fans would call for the firing of an OC after just one game.
I vote for C.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raiderman it won’t take me a few years but it certainly will take more than one game. Please realize the last time Knapp was here he had serious talent issues on offense after the 06 season. See post 218 for some perspective.
It kind of ticks me off that I am having to play the role of Knapp apologist but some of the snap judgements of quote semi-pros just kills me. If we judged Hue like this after the Tenn game in 10 – we would of ran him out on a rail. But now in everyones minds he somehow has morphed into Bill Walsh or something.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Yeah, so?? We’re 0-1.
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And in 5 days we will be 1-1, same as last year.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Whew, the moods a little lighter in here tonight.
I feel so bad for Ford. I know he has drops and this frickin injury bug that our receivers seem to be going thru but when he is right he is one of the most dynamic players in the league. Footage don’t lie!
Get Jacoby!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
-Raiders really aren’t their “primary” team anyway and they are more worried about SF.
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Yup, the Giants are positioning themselves for maybe home field in the first round of the playoffs.
I am vastly more concerned about our World Series hopes than September football.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Morilla Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I keep reading from people on how the Raiders were a playoff team last year, or one win away.
Step back and realize something. That team would of gotten destroyed in the playoffs. They weren’t a playoff team.
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That’s what the said about the NY Giants. Yeah, look how that turned out.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Yeah, so?? We’re 0-1.
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And in 5 days we will be 1-1, same as last year.
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The Great JFB has said it and so it shall come to pass!! LOL!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
What’s the chances of Knapp getting in the top 20 if he keeps his job all year?
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Very good.
In fact, I already bet on it.
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That’s SCORING offense…not TOP stats or yardage totals.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
“they”
September 12th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Uh, get BETTER Jacoby!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The NFL doesn’t really kick into gear until around Turkey day anyways. You can see the level of play rise around that time, league wide.
As long as you are around .500 by that time, you usually have 5-6 games left and can make a run, just like the Packers and Giants of the last two years.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
morilla Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I keep reading from people on how the Raiders were a playoff team last year, or one win away.
Step back and realize something. That team would of gotten destroyed in the playoffs. They weren’t a playoff team.
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If u make the playoffs you are a playoff team. It’s not arbitrary “opinion” if a team is a playoff team.
We can argue whether they are/were a good playoff team or not, but that is usually proved either way when they play the games.
I think we would have beaten Pittsburgh at home last yr. They were beat up and even Tebow beat them.
New England second rd.? Well, we would’ve had McFadden back and yes, i agree we most likely would have gotten thumped. Who cares? It’s always nice to make the playoffs and is accomplishing something.
Only ONE team wins it all. Just cuz u don’t win the SB doesn’t mean u didn’t have a good season.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
That’s SCORING offense
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Yup, points is what matters most.
Yards per game is about as meaningless stat in all of sports these days.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
GDog
You are right I am in the C category. I do not think you can fully judge this offense yet. We too soon forget that our all time great offense last year (not) was terrible in several games last year. Do I think our scheme was bad last year – no. In fact I wanted Saunders as OC but I also know the Houston style offense can work as well. I also think Palmer can play in it and McFadden can be utilized in it.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Knapp’s offense is only good when it’s like the 4th qtr up by 2 TD’s with 5 min left and you want to run the clock out.
Other than that it’s CRAP
September 12th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
You got to peak at the right time in the NFL.
The Giants did last year. Frankly, the Donkeys did so last year (somewhat).
Work out the kinks now, play our best ball in December.
That’s how I see it, but time will tell.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Raiders for life Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
DJ Johnny,
I guess at this point…..could you play some Nazereth “Now you’re messing with a SOB” and dedicate it to Dennis Allen.
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Next time I play it I will. None of my listeners would know who the heck Dennis Allen is anyway. Lol.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
McFadden will have a tough time of it this week in Miami. He should be part of the passing game this week again.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’m back again. And it feels wonderful to get out of here for a while. So, what did I miss? Oops, got to go again.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I said would be 2-2 after the first 4 games. If we lose to Miami with their rookie QB, we have serious problems.
We should beat Miami and Pitt the following week. Going into Denver with a 2 game win streak, anything can happen from there. We must win the next 2 games!!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
So clamoring for the firing of a 1st yr. HC who loses his starting QB, his best player, and is shackled with a DC he didn’t want but had no choice but to work with, loses his top receivers for extended period of time, and STILL goes 8-8..with basically the same players that supposedly arent good enough to even sniff a playoff spot THIS yr. is sound, reasoned patience? Yeah, that’s not knee jerk at all is it?
For the record I am NOT for firing Knapp after one game. I am for someone else influencing the play selection. Whether that means giving Palmer the ability to override at the line, or Saunders having more influence, or some other solution.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I will judge this offense when Wiz and D-Wow are in.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Or “C”… nobody besides insane moronic knee-jerk uninformed clueless no-nothing football fans would call for the firing of an OC after just one game.
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When you have to stoop to this, you’re in trouble
September 12th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Our HC kept referring to Rivers as Philip in his post disaster are comments. “we know Philip is a good quarterback. Blah blah…” like he’s talking about his long lost brother.
Hey DA, Rivers is the QB of our arch enemy not your best friend.
Reading team and DA’s words these post disaster days You’d never know this team was just humiliated on national TV on a season opener of a new regime. I’ve seen Raiders every game since 1980 and I do not remember a worst all around disaster of a game to make me want to break the tv. Jon Condo’s injury made an ugly performance into a lifetime low. And yet the New HC is operating business as usual.
I was expecting major circle the wagon kinda talk at the very least. What’s done to make sure this is not a pattern moving forward? Miami is licking their chops now.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
What worries me about Miami..and our season is if we can;t handle Tannehill, how are we gonna handle Manning and Roethlisberger? And if we can’t handle the Miami defense, how are we gonna handle Pittsburgh’s and Denver’s?
It’s a must win for ANY playoff aspirations.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
-Raiders really aren’t their “primary” team anyway and they are more worried about SF.
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Yup, the Giants are positioning themselves for maybe home field in the first round of the playoffs.
I am vastly more concerned about our World Series hopes than September football.
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I always figured your heart wasn’t into the Raiders.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
So clamoring for the firing of a 1st yr. HC who loses his starting QB, his best player, and is shackled with a DC he didn’t want but had no choice but to work with, loses his top receivers for extended period of time, and STILL goes 8-8..with basically the same players that supposedly arent good enough to even sniff a playoff spot THIS yr. is sound, reasoned patience? Yeah, that’s not knee jerk at all is it?
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Who was clamoring for Hue to be fired? I thought he deserved another year with his own DC. After he was fired I began to understand why but at the time I was truely surprised. However I think it is telling that he could not get an OC or even postiion coach gig anywhere. For everone that loves Hue, do you think RM/DA would have given up a 1st and a 2nd to get a semi retired QB off the couch in the middle of the season or have someone as unprepared as Boller as your backup QB (not withstanding our LS debacle) to precipitate that move?
September 12th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
UCLA, I thought the same thing when I saw and heard that presser.
But…he may just be concious of the fact it’s his first post game and he wants to sound like a real, seasoned coach. I don’t know.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Yeah those long snap mishaps must have been pretty funny to that National TV audience. Particularily to the fans of our Div Rivals.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raiderman it won’t take me a few years but it certainly will take more than one game. Please realize the last time Knapp was here he had serious talent issues on offense after the 06 season. See post 218 for some perspective.
It kind of ticks me off that I am having to play the role of Knapp apologist but some of the snap judgements of quote semi-pros just kills me. If we judged Hue like this after the Tenn game in 10 – we would of ran him out on a rail. But now in everyones minds he somehow has morphed into Bill Walsh or something.
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HJAX is irrelevant to the Knapp dilemma.
Again, my opinion that Knapp stinks is not a snap judgement.
I’m not impressed by arguments that Knapp hasn’t done well in his OC stints due to lack of talent or poor circumstaances.
I don’t know why you feel the need to be a Knapp apologist, even if you feel some posters here are making a snap judgement about him. But that’s your decision.
Again, the only valid consideration regarding whether Knapp should be retained or allowed to continue as OC is whether you believe he’s an excellent OC or not.
If you think he is, then fine. We just disagree.
If you’re not sure, that’s fine too. Take as much time as you need to form an opinion. But in the meantime, don’t knock people who have formed an opinion and want to take what they perceive to be corrective action.
If you don’t think he’s an excellent OC, then I submit that all rationalizations such as ‘you can’t switch OC’s after one game’ or ‘we must be patient’ are a bunch of counter-productive BS.
I refuse to settle for anything less than excellence. I see absolutely no reason to muddle along and accept mediocrity or worse – even for a moment.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
If the raiders dont beat the Phins on sunday… well…………………. this season is a waste
September 12th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
wait i should say if they lose 32 – 31 it will be fine. Just put some damn points on the board !!
September 12th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
252, I wasn’t calling you out on that. I don’t even remember where u stood on that, i’m just drawing a comparison to the ones who are calling any Knapp critics “knee jerk morons” etc. when alot of those same ones insist on changing our HC every damn yr.
There was alot of stuff I didn’t like about Hue’s coaching, but I tried to look at it in the sound, practical manner that the Knapp supporters are asking of those that want to see some ‘adjustments’.
It looks alot worse to fire your HC every yr. (especially ones that have the best record of any Raider coach since Gruden) than it is to ask for a change at one of the assistant positions.
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Reading team and DA’s words these post disaster days You’d never know this team was just humiliated on national TV on a season opener of a new regime. I’ve seen Raiders every game since 1980 and I do not remember a worst all around disaster of a game to make me want to break the tv. Jon Condo’s injury made an ugly performance into a lifetime low. And yet the New HC is operating business as usual.
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Seriously? Worst all around diaster????
Did you miss the 2003 super bowl or how about most of the 2006 season. How about the AFC championship game we lost 51-3 after Bo was injured?? Or a little closer to home how about last years game at home against KC 28-0 loss or the debacle in Maimi last year. Lets get some perspective folks!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Another dumb point to address – It was not “garbage time” when Oakland scored the TD monday night. They had the 1st team Defense in there and they did not want us to get a TD and an onside kick.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
On Greg Knap: he is not an incompetent OC.
But his system need strong tall fast powerful down hill like Houston’s #80 and strong all around RBs like Gore and a QB w completion % in 70s kinda like Jeff Garcia, Matt Ryan.
Do we have those pieces on this team? You could argue DMC to be his type of RB and Moore to be a lone WR suited to his system but Palmer is not that kinda QB. Palmer is the pro typical Al Davis QB. It was painful to watch him turned into a dink and dunk QB in absence Moore. It was like a Ferrari used to deliver groceries instead or roaring on autobahn!
This system just doesn’t suit him well IMO.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Honestly this offense fits Pryor better then it does Palmer
September 12th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
So we can’t go 16-0 now. So what, 15-1 isn’t bad.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Reading team and DA’s words these post disaster days You’d never know this team was just humiliated on national TV on a season opener of a new regime. I’ve seen Raiders every game since 1980 and I do not remember a worst all around disaster of a game to make me want to break the tv. Jon Condo’s injury made an ugly performance into a lifetime low. And yet the New HC is operating business as usual.
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Seriously? Worst all around diaster????
Did you miss the 2003 super bowl or how about most of the 2006 season. How about the AFC championship game we lost 51-3 after Bo was injured?? Or a little closer to home how about last years game at home against KC 28-0 loss or the debacle in Maimi last year. Lets get some perspective folks!
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I watched all those games my friend. And yes those were disasters games in their own rights. Unfortunately the list is long , isnt it?
But I guess what made this one the worst for me is based on the level of my expectation post AD and the horrific results in front of my little kids who were watching Raiders for the first time with me.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I always figured your heart wasn’t into the Raiders.
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It’s September for crying out loud!!!
Last year, we were what 7-4 at one point? Than what happened?
I just want to hover around .500 by Turkey day, and hopefully go on a run after that.
This is not a perennial division champion, losing it’s grip on things, or anything like that.
I would be happy with getting demolished in the first round of the playoffs at this stage.
Monday doesn’t change any of that.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Raiderman, You make a good point about “excellence”. The motto is “New Era of EXCELLENCE”. That would suggest that it would be sought in EVERY AREA of the org. Right? Am I wrong here?
Is Knapp “excellent”. Heck, we don’t know if DA or Reggie are yet.
How about our players?
The new motto is even more hardcore than the Al era’s “Commitment” to Excellence. ‘Commitment’ suggests a goal of accomplishing something. You are “Committed” to being that; even if you have not attained it as yet.
“NEW ERA OF EXCELLENCE” suggests it’s already here. THIS is who we are. This is a “New Era and we are EXCELLENT.
I’m being facetious here, but if the desire is to be EXCELLENT then let’s try and get the best people we can into this org at all levels.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Lets do this one point by point:
HJAX is irrelevant to the Knapp dilemma.
OK I will buy that
Again, my opinion that Knapp stinks is not a snap judgement.
**How do you figure based on one game. If you are doing this on his career based strictly on statistics he is at least an average OC. I believe his time in Oakland and even in Seattle can be discounted because of talent but not Atlanta or SF.**
I’m not impressed by arguments that Knapp hasn’t done well in his OC stints due to lack of talent or poor circumstaances.
**If you think 07 was not a poor environment and should not be considered you either were not following the Raiders back then or were asleep or something.**
I don’t know why you feel the need to be a Knapp apologist, even if you feel some posters here are making a snap judgement about him. But that’s your decision.
**I am just sick of hearing all the fire Knapp stuff when the game was primarily lost on STs.**
Again, the only valid consideration regarding whether Knapp should be retained or allowed to continue as OC is whether you believe he’s an excellent OC or not.
**Execellence is not only consideration have to consider who was avaiable and what system you want to use long-term.**
If you think he is, then fine. We just disagree.
**Do I think Knapp is the next Bill Walsh – no but is he a servicible OC yes. as good as Hue?? – probably better. Like I said the league was not chomping to give Hue an OC or even position coach position.**
If you’re not sure, that’s fine too. Take as much time as you need to form an opinion. But in the meantime, don’t knock people who have formed an opinion and want to take what they perceive to be corrective action.
**Since people are forceably calling for the assination of Knapp along with his firing I think I can and maybe should call out some of the dumb arguements made. I just think people get overly emotional about all of this and lack perspective.**
If you don’t think he’s an excellent OC, then I submit that all rationalizations such as ‘you can’t switch OC’s after one game’ or ‘we must be patient’ are a bunch of counter-productive BS.** Excellent I have never said that – serviceable maybe above average yes.**
I refuse to settle for anything less than excellence. I see absolutely no reason to muddle along and accept mediocrity or worse – even for a moment.**Sometimes you have to deal with what is available. Would I like to have a team made up of all All Pros with Belicheck as DC and S. Payton as OC – sure but those guys are already taken.**
September 12th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
OK, seriously I am back now So, what did I miss this time?
September 12th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I actually like the new offensive plan….. Give McFadden The Ball!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I would be happy with getting demolished in the first round of the playoffs at this stage.
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Don’t make me go Jim Mora on you.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
As a result…J Raider has started the OFFICIAL:
“RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” “DEMOTE” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
Whatever language you prefer makes no difference to me!!!
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MAKE AL SAUNDERS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER AND REASSIGN GREG KNAPP TO QB COACH TO HELP TERRELLE PRYOR DEVELOP!!
THIS IS THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO GET OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE FROM OUR PLAYERS, PRESERVE TEAM CONTINUITY, AND STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
All this can be avoided if the Raiders just go out and WIN on sunday.. just run the ball right down the field and throw it deep when they need to.
Start WIZ
START DMOORE
September 12th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Regarding previous post can we quit reposting the same post over and over. I think I would rather read Beech Dawg’s post’s I get it you hate Knapp and most of you have been feeling this way since the moment he was hired.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Since several of you are resorting to haggling over the word FIRE, I have changed it to:
“RELIEVE OF PLAYCALLING DUTIES” or “DEMOTE” GREG KNAPP” PETITION!!!
MAKE AL SAUNDERS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER AND REASSIGN GREG KNAPP TO QB COACH TO HELP TERRELLE PRYOR DEVELOP!!
THIS IS THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO GET OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE FROM OUR PLAYERS, PRESERVE TEAM CONTINUITY, AND STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!
Greg Knapp is the Chuck Bresnehan of this season!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Obviously
September 12th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Note post 273 was about post 271. I think Raiders all Day is right, having better talent coming back especially D-moore should really help. Playing a team as down as the Dolphins should help even though going accross the nation.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Regarding previous post can we quit reposting the same post over and over. I think I would rather read Beech Dawg’s post’s I get it you hate Knapp and most of you have been feeling this way since the moment he was hired.
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I revise the list as more people add their names to it.
If you don’t like it, you are free to scroll right past it.
The season has just started, and too much is at stake to just sit by idly and be quiet when I see mediocrity and misuse of our players on display on National TV.
You can choose to turn a blind eye to it all, but not me and the dozens of others who have raised their voices to speak out on the situation.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
#274 I would humbly submit that Hoffman is the Breshnahan of 2012 not Knapp.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
1960AW,
I think this is Knapp’s last chance as an OC. He was an OC for 9 years. He had a top 10 scoring offense in SF in 01 & 03, 3 years were average, and 4 years his offense was ranked in the 20’s. There is a reason he wasn’t promoted to HC or stayed at the same level as an OC.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
If you don’t like it, you are free to scroll right past it.
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Believe me I do! Sick of this crap. But hey if we can not beat the dolphins and get shut out there with D-moore back I may join you.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
#274 I would humbly submit that Hoffman is the Breshnahan of 2012 not Knapp.
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Who was our OC last year? Was it not Al Saunders?
What position did Greg Knapp hold last year with the Texans? Was it the OC? No it was the QB coach!
What production has Knapp shown recently, to justify him being promoted to OC resulting in Saunders being demoted to an advisor?
Why did this happen besides his personal affiliation with Dennis Allen?
Is our team currently, better suited for Knapp’s system or Saunders system that the team had success with last year?
If you can truthfully and honestly answer these questions I would love to hear it!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
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There is also a reason Hue could not even get a postiion coach job. Note that 2 of the 4 years were the 07 and 08 Raiders and that was truely a dysfunctional situation aka the projector years…
I will agree if he can not make this level of talent be in the top 16 in scoring he will not be an OC again for a long time if at all.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
People think our offense was “high powered” under Hue.
I’ve never heard of a high powered offense that couldn’t crack .500.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
I’m fairly certain that most people here know nothing about football. Thinking a coach is bad from one game, when that game wasn’t even lost due to that side of the ball is flat out stupid and ignorant. We lost due to special teams (namely a lack of a back up long snapper), as well as mental mistakes at inopportune times(i.e. Streater’s fumble and Kelly’s offsides). You guys need to get real with yourselves.
Was Knapp perfect? Hardly, but I wouldn’t fire him. He got us moving down the field our first 3 drives and had we executed, could’ve had around 13 points in the first half.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Best show on turf… ‘99 Rams…Super Bowl appearance.
Niners of the ’80s, won 4.
Indy, Patriots, Saints, all won SB’s.
Hue Jackson’s 2011 Oakland Raiders. 8-8. (willie wonka picture)
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Reality is kryptonite to these fans pining for the vertical days.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Y’all know Mr Green is sick about losin to the ass wipes. But I’m confused about something.
Some people disagree that blogger fans want knapp fired because he appears to be the play calling culprit of that embarassment. We saw it comin in pre season.
But here is why we are right to panic: we’ve seen it before. Not hard to figure out. What you saw is what we are going to get.
I told y’all before. As a CC baseball coach, we build our teams around the personel we got. So do winning franchises. No different. It helps to have great players, but it is all about the coaching. Fcking Period.
Does anybody think if knapp designed a game plan around Dmac and Palmer and their strengths we woulda won? I do. Palmer seems pretty good with the no huddle. Stay the fck there.
I got my tickets, rental car and rooms along with all kinds of reservations for varius activities in Nawleens and if the Raidahs dont get there, it’ll be a wasted opportunity for them. Really, the were knockin at the door last year, cept our defense wouldn’t let’em in.
Like it or not my good Raidah fan people, the game against the ass wipe dolphins is a must win.
ArmChair, add me to that list, again.
Mr Green walking into the O Monday night:
Mr Green leaving the O Monday night:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I revise the list as more people add their names to it.
If you don’t like it, you are free to scroll right past it.
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I figure within a week or two the list will be too long to scroll past without getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, so I have a suggestion…
Just assemble a list of people that think Knapp is a top notch OC and we should be happy to have him.
That ought to shorten the list considerably.
Might even eliminate it entirely.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
1960AW,
Yes. His ego lol, but why are we talking about Hue? Hue is the past.
Good OCs manage. Look at Mia and the wildcat offense, and look at Denver last year. We had enough talent, so I refuse to dismiss his 2 years in Oak or Seattle.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Raider fans pining for the vertical days, talking up whatever little success there was with that offense in the past 25 years, are like the Republicans in the bubble, that segment of Bill Maher’s show.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Folks Ford is gonna be put on IR. no way he could come play post this kinda surgery.
No way to replace his speed on KR and WR.
Taiwan Jones is garbage KR and a suspect RB #3 as change of pace third down guy.
Streater was exposed. Hagan is at best a possession WR w no speed. Criner is another possession WR w no speed. Nobody on practice squad either to replace Ford’s speed. DHB has speed but lacks everything else still.
My proposal is to use DHB as our KR. He will be good in that role. Please stop using Taiwan as KR. And Sign Jabbar Gaffney to replace Ford’s WR production ASAP.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Titan has the most earth like atmosphere in our solar system
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Who was our OC last year? Was it not Al Saunders?
**It was Saunders by Hue called the plays…. Before you go to far with this I wonder if Saunders wants the play calling at this point in his carreer. Note I wanted Saunders after DA got fired.**
What position did Greg Knapp hold last year with the Texans? Was it the OC? No it was the QB coach! Did I ever say he was anything but the QB Coach. In fact I even posted that tonight….
What production has Knapp shown recently, to justify him being promoted to OC resulting in Saunders being demoted to an advisor? **Look I said earlier I wanted Saunders. I think DA and RM want a West Coast style offense RM bluntly stated this at one point. That is why they made this move. Saunders according to DA is very involved as an advisor at this point.**
Why did this happen besides his personal affiliation with Dennis Allen? **System preference by RM and DA see above**
Is our team currently, better suited for Knapp’s system or Saunders system that the team had success with last year? **Raiders were 16 in scoring. Everyone around here keeps talking about excellence is 16 excellent? Having just said this, I thought having Palmer and McFadden with last years system would have been explosive toghether though. I think that is why so many are frustrated. I do think many of these players are versitle enough to thrive in both systems but familarity with last years system could have had carry over momentum especially for Palmer but then again Palmer was a pick machine even at the end of last year in the old system. Bottom line I think both can work but I would guess last year;s system with both Palmer and McFadden would have been better. Over the long term probably the Houston sytem being implemented is better.**
If you can truthfully and honestly answer these questions I would love to hear it
**Did the best I could. May not agree but I am not trying to spin anything here.**
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
People think our offense was “high powered” under Hue.
I’ve never heard of a high powered offense that couldn’t crack .500.
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September 18 Buffalo Bills L 35–38
November 6 Denver Broncos L 24–38
December 18 Detroit Lions L 27–28
January 1 San Diego Chargers L 26–38
When you score over 20 points a game in 11 of the 16 games of the season despite losing our starting QB, Running Back, and Wide Receivers for significant portions of the season, I can call that a high powered offense.
As the 4 examples I showed above indicate, our problem last year was clearly NOT the offense.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
There is no way anybody in this organization is going to demand Knapp air it out more. Let the fans protest. Without those muffed punt snaps, we win Monday. Team wins, protests go nowhere. Be a hundred or so leftover Davis minions out there holding stupid signs.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
ArmChair,
As I’ve said to the Davis minions for the past decade…at some point it has to be about wins, kiddo.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
OK then, Hue’s offense is one of the better offenses in NFL history that didn’t have a winning record. That’s fair enough. It’s kind of like flashing a gold medal from the special olympics, but whatever floats your boat.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
NFL Network should do a special:
Top 10 teams without a winning record.
Hue’s 2011 Raiders could top that list. Finally, the “high powered” Hue offense gets the recognition it deserves!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
“and although the 2011 Raiders never saw that ninth win, boy did they razzle dazzle fans with double reverses deep roll outs”
September 12th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Is taiwan jones a football player?? ya he is fast.. but can he play foozeball at this level? how u gonna drop the opening kickoff SMH..
September 12th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Why Reggie’s not doing things like Al:
Reggie wants to win more than 8 games.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Who was our OC last year? Was it not Al Saunders?
**It was Saunders by Hue called the plays…. Before you go to far with this I wonder if Saunders wants the play calling at this point in his carreer. Note I wanted Saunders after DA got fired.**
What position did Greg Knapp hold last year with the Texans? Was it the OC? No it was the QB coach! Did I ever say he was anything but the QB Coach. In fact I even posted that tonight….
What production has Knapp shown recently, to justify him being promoted to OC resulting in Saunders being demoted to an advisor? **Look I said earlier I wanted Saunders. I think DA and RM want a West Coast style offense RM bluntly stated this at one point. That is why they made this move. Saunders according to DA is very involved as an advisor at this point.**
Why did this happen besides his personal affiliation with Dennis Allen? **System preference by RM and DA see above**
Is our team currently, better suited for Knapp’s system or Saunders system that the team had success with last year? **Raiders were 16 in scoring. Everyone around here keeps talking about excellence is 16 excellent? Having just said this, I thought having Palmer and McFadden with last years system would have been explosive toghether though. I think that is why so many are frustrated. I do think many of these players are versitle enough to thrive in both systems but familarity with last years system could have had carry over momentum especially for Palmer but then again Palmer was a pick machine even at the end of last year in the old system. Bottom line I think both can work but I would guess last year;s system with both Palmer and McFadden would have been better. Over the long term probably the Houston sytem being implemented is better.**
If you can truthfully and honestly answer these questions I would love to hear it
**Did the best I could. May not agree but I am not trying to spin anything here.**
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Much respect to you 1960AutumnWind. I don’t agree with you, but I respect your opinion.
I will continue to post the list of names every time someone asks to be added. Jerry reads this blog. Steve reads this blog. Jerry tweeted yesterday about frequent comments made by a blogger on here about Condo.
Our comments are not falling on blind eyes. If the message gets across to Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp that they need to start devising schemes that are better suited for our players, then I feel that I have done my part in my very limited capacity to help improve our team.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
“our comments are not falling on blind eyes”
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Reggie’s going to change everything because some comments on blogs are griping about playcalling.
Bwaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Raider O Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
1960AW,
Yes. His ego lol, but why are we talking about Hue? Hue is the past.
Good OCs manage. Look at Mia and the wildcat offense, and look at Denver last year. We had enough talent, so I refuse to dismiss his 2 years in Oak or Seattle.
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OK O so I guess we should have expected Knapp to produce a top 10 offense with the likes of McKnown and Culpepper at QB (or a rookie Jubustus that held out most of the year). Oh and by the way we lost WR Moss for a 4th round pick and used it for a really really fast DB that is out of the league now. Offensive Coaches matter but players matter more. I actually think the 07 and 08 teams over achieved based on the talent they had on offense. I also think GMs and others that know about football consider such things when evaluating coaches.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
We’re not going to throw one deep pass Sunday, and we’re going to win 20-10.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
OK then, Hue’s offense is one of the better offenses in NFL history that didn’t have a winning record. That’s fair enough. It’s kind of like flashing a gold medal from the special olympics, but whatever floats your boat.
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So using your philosophy:
If you have a Ferrari that has a bad alternator, instead of just replacing the alternator, you should get rid of the Ferrari and buy a Ford.
That’s what happened to the Raiders this off season. We had a high powered offensive team. Injuries at key positions on offense notwithstanding, it was our DEFENSE that kept us out of the playoffs.
So Dennis Allen scraps the entire offensive system and promotes the QB coach from Houston to be our OC without even fully acquiring the key players to fully implement that system. The result was an abysmal offensive output last Monday, and complete misuse of Marcel Reece and Darren Mcfadden.
But somehow we are supposed to be on board with this.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
HOLLA
yo dudes, aint been able to drop a duece since monday night. not even a little pearl or a droplet. ima big raider fan you kno, even tho i let yawl kno bout my terds you kno, dont mean i dont like the raiders, just like my dueces to. boggity wampditty likkity
WIZZLE GO FIZZLE FIZZLE
September 12th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
If the message gets across to Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp that they need to start devising schemes that are better suited for our players, then I feel that I have done my part in my very limited capacity to help improve our team.
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Really????
Let’s talk about that “if” ….
If our coaches need the suggestion of semi pro bloggers, ALL of those coaches need to be fired!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I told you guys. I’m now as much a Niner fan as I am a Raider fan.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
I also think GMs and others that know about football consider such things when evaluating coaches
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly. Like I said, there was/ is a reason why he was a QB coach the last 2 years.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Arm Chair,
You’re comparing an 8-8 football team to a Ferrari. Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
September 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
did apple announce the firing of Greg Krappy?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
You’re not living in reality, ArmChair.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 26th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
You know what, Armchair?
THAT’S IT!
You’re on ignore.
You don’t exist anymore. You grouchy f’n azzhole! Have a good life.
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Bwaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Is the offense really THE ferrari????
Isn’t the offense more like the gas pedal, the defense the brake, and STs the clutch????
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Armchair,
You wanted Al to succeed in his later years. HE didn’t. Now you want people to believe his teams were better than what they were. Let go, my friend.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I told you guys. I’m now as much a Niner fan as I am a Raider fan.
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And you’re qualified to speak on the Raiders because of what again?
Bwaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
What a niner fan….
September 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
What a Raider fan. lol.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
I’ll admit, I’m different than most Raider fans. I’ve had Raider fans threaten me in real life because of my criticism. I don’t believe in drinking kool aid. I speak from the truth. It’s just my style. And the 2011 Raiders were average at best. Offensive powerhouse..give me a break. No offensive powerhouse fails to win 9 games.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEfM4m_aqds&feature=fvwrel
This is what I saw last season from our offense…
Maybe some of you guys are blind to what was going on on the field. Our defense kept us out of the playoffs. Our offense should have been left alone.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
We just got our ass handed to us by a mediocre Charger team and all MaddenRaider does is defend his heroes with nothing but BS vague generalizations. You’re the biggest dummy on this board.
Knapp”s offense got us 6 fuggin points with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. He is as smart as an OC as you are as poster. You don’t know sh!t about football MaddenRaider and you never will until you study something.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
DMAC is a Ferrari, but Knapp is trying to turn him into a Fiat.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
People tell me I don’t seem like a Raider fan. ….Compliment. Most Raider fans are extremely stupid and annoying. And remember, I said most. There’s a lot of reasonable Raider fans, too. We’re just in the minority.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Fans like armchair embarrass those of us who are level headed fans.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Al Davis didn’t have one single winning season in his final decade running the Raiders. And you guys want McKenzie to run things the way he did?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
The issue is very simple:
There are fans here who can see into the future and those who eschew trying to portend future events.
As with many of the debates on this site, there are two camps…I get this notion.
What is truly baffling, if not wholly narcissistic, is that some of the professed arm chair GMs truly believe DA or Reggie is going to sit up and take their observations into consideration.
Where as the rest of us simply understand that we are doing nothing more than taking to the internet to vent and complain…
Then again, since the oracles can see into the future, perhaps they’ve already seen revelation of Reggie requesting an audience with them, meeting their demands, and pinning the Raider Medal of Valor on their jersey.
Could be true, they are oracles after all…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
People think our offense was “high powered” under Hue.
I’ve never heard of a high powered offense that couldn’t crack .500.
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Hey dummy, we said Hue designed a top 10 scoring offense with crap talent in 2010 & he was able to get the 16th best scoring offense with his best weapon gone & Carson off his lazy boy….But hey Greg Knapp is getting us a couple FG opportunities in an offense-domintated league.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Al’s own son knew that his way didn’t work. That’s why he hired Reggie and is staying out of Reggie’s way.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Only numbers that matter is the score.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Re, Jacoby Ford.
The new kick off rules, almost put KR’s out of business
September 12th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Go ahead, keep throwing out fancy numbers from various teams in the past decade. Not one of them cracked .500. Reggie wants to win more than 8 games. That’s why he’s doing things differently.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I am not a Raider fan anymore, and not sure I ever was one. I more enjoyed the idea the team might look good some day, but I can’t be associated with these losers. My Niner hat looks better and better. See you losers later.
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I don’t even need to make a lengthy comment here. Look at Sullivan’s words from his own pea sized brain. Yet we are supposed to take his Raider commentary seriously.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Al Davis didn’t have one single winning season in his final decade running the Raiders. And you guys want McKenzie to run things the way he did?
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No, we expect him to build on two teams that finished 8-8 the past 2 seasons. But hey you’re happy with getting your ass handed to you by an inferior team.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
New kickoff rules also make the game a more defensive game. Reggie is building his team with that in mind. Al would have been oblivious to it, still signing track runners to return kickoffs.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Ass handed to us, yeah. We lost by 8. Would have won if we had a backup long snapper.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Armchair, you’re desperate.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
We lose by one score, played second half without a long snapper. And some fans want to blow it up and start over. Not a chance. M. Davis/McKenzie/D.Allen/G.Knapp…at least 3 years.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Why don’t you guy just root for another team? You know you’re rooting against the Raiders now. You want the new management to fail.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Ass handed to us, yeah. We lost by 8. Would have won if we had a backup long snapper.
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SD gave them that last TD.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I am not a Raider fan anymore, and not sure I ever was one. I more enjoyed the idea the team might look good some day, but I can’t be associated with these losers. My Niner hat looks better and better. See you losers later.
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Armchair, you’re desperate.
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Sullivan, you’re demented.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
cheap whiner fan….always has been
September 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Hey Maddenpansy, Mark Davis has even admitted he doesn’t know personnel. That’s why he’s staying out of Reggie’s way….BTW, don’t worry if we keep Knapp in the fold here, we won’t be approaching .500 with that POS…Big surprise you root for the 49ers, you have always been a “catcher” haven’t you?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
ullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Why don’t you guy just root for another team? You know you’re rooting against the Raiders now. You want the new management to fail.
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That was you every year punk.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
She loves catch…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
What is truly baffling, if not wholly narcissistic, is that some of the professed arm chair GMs truly believe DA or Reggie is going to sit up and take their observations into consideration
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Probably off some good green.
I’m still trying to make Burn Rubber On Me connection ArmChair. I’ve listened to that song at least 20 times since you brought that up and I’m still not hearing it.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Kell, they gave us that TD? That’s why Norv was going nuts on the sideline and pulling his hair out after we scored, because he was giving it to us? Kell, very reason for a prevent D is to prevent the score. Give up short yardage, let the offense kill their own clock, without letting them score. Letting them score is a fail. It’s not easy to score against a prevent. Easy to move the chains, but not score. Had we not scored, the same people would be criticizing the offense for that. Their job was to score. They did. And got us within 8.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I don’t have access to the highlight, but I’ll bet you SD sent a rush on that TD play. Most defenses tighten up near the end zone, and start sending some rushers.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Even in prevent…
September 12th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Reggie’s going to change everything because some comments on blogs are griping about playcalling.
Bwaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
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First time I have ever seen anything from Sulli I agree with.
This looks very embarrassing. I can’t believe anyone would compile a list like this, let alone anyone want to be on it.
Firing an OC after one week.
Okee dokeee…..
September 12th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Ass handed to us, yeah. We lost by 8. Would have won if we had a backup long snapper.
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Sure Madden, that last touchdown with 6 minutes was so meaningful. Guess what, people were leaving before that last drive & with good reason. Knapp-time was taken to the woodshed BIGTIME. The Chargers were up 10-6 @ halftime. That’s a big enough lead to not be threatened by Knapp-time offense.
“If we had a backup long snapper.”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…now who might be responsible for that?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Reggie’s answering to one person: Mark.
Mark couldn’t give a rats ass what these idiots think. That’s why he hired Reggie in the first place and threw him the keys.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
J Hill Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I’m still trying to make Burn Rubber On Me connection ArmChair. I’ve listened to that song at least 20 times since you brought that up and I’m still not hearing it.
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You’re listening to the wrong song J Hill. I said ‘YOU DROPPED A BOMB ON ME’ by the GAP Band, not ‘Burn Rubber On Me’.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
I already said Reggie is responsible for us not having that second long snapper. It was a teaching moment for him. It’s on him. But it’s not a fatal flaw, either. He was obviously too concerned about the defense, and it showed!
September 12th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Tighten up…? Lol….
September 12th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Goodnight, morons.
Raiders 20,
Dolphins 10.
Not one pass by Raiders over 15 yards.
I know ArmChair will be rooting for the Dolphins, because he wants the new management to fail.
Later.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I am not a Raider fan anymore, and not sure I ever was one. I more enjoyed the idea the team might look good some day, but I can’t be associated with these losers. My Niner hat looks better and better. See you losers later.
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Sybil-
We couldn’t give a rats ass what YOU, the official blog idiot thinks.
You aren’t even a Raider fan by your own admission.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Tighten up…? Lol….From a whiner fan
September 12th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
LMFAO, ArmChair….
I was just singing Early in the mornin with wifey thinking it was You dropped a bomb on me.
Got to the chorus, and was like wait …
LOL!!!!
I’M the one off some good.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
J Hill Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
LMFAO, ArmChair….
I was just singing Early in the mornin with wifey thinking it was You dropped a bomb on me.
Got to the chorus, and was like wait …
LOL!!!!
I’M the one off some good.
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hahahaha! It’s all good brah.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I always figured your heart wasn’t into the Raiders.
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It’s September for crying out loud!!!
Last year, we were what 7-4 at one point? Than what happened?
I just want to hover around .500 by Turkey day, and hopefully go on a run after that.
This is not a perennial division champion, losing it’s grip on things, or anything like that.
I would be happy with getting demolished in the first round of the playoffs at this stage.
Monday doesn’t change any of that.
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ugh…yeah!
We got Steeler’s, Broncos and Flacons back to back!
That’s 1/3 of the season!!
I know…it’s funny to say “a must win game” so early in the season. But it is, what it is.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
josh king @r8drfanj
@Jerrymcd hue’s offense with an aggressive blitzing d coordinator
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September 12th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Big Primo @BigPrimo33
@Raidersblogger @Jerrymcd better question is why not keep Saunders as OC instead of hiring the Krappy Knapp?
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September 12th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
MaxtallicA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Titan has the most earth like atmosphere in our solar system
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I went to my brother in laws over the weekend. We had chciken and mashed potatoes.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Jerry McDonald Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Used to have a guy who commented on Raiders blog who couldn’t believe club shelled out big bucks for Condo. He’s probably quiet tonight.
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This is for those of you who think that no one pays any attention to our posts.
By the way Jerry has over 14,000 followers on Twitter and personally interviews coaches and players every single week.
But you Knapp suppoters are the freakin geniuses right?
September 12th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Jerry McDonald Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Used to have a guy who commented on Raiders blog who couldn’t believe club shelled out big bucks for Condo. He’s probably quiet tonight.
1:54 AM – 11 Sep 12 · Embed this Tweet
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This is for those of you who think that no one pays any attention to our posts.
By the way Jerry has over 14,000 followers on Twitter and personally interviews coaches and players every single week.
But you Knapp suppoters are the freakin geniuses right?
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*supporters
September 12th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Many Raider fans recoiled at Greg Knapp’s hiring from his last tenure, and they’re steaming now.
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But you Knapp supporters are the geniuses tho…smh
September 12th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Sure, Jerruh and Stevie hear you/us.
Thinking the HC or GM would listen to a beat reporter is actually something I don’t even want to consider.
I might actually stop watching if I thougt it was even remotely possible.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
MaxtallicA Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Titan has the most earth like atmosphere in our solar system
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I went to my brother in laws over the weekend. We had chicken and mashed potatoes.
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hahahahahahahaha…Wow a break in the action.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Hey Thec.
How’s your week going?
September 12th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
What’s up Thec? Hopefully we’ll see you at the Steeler game!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Hey Thec.
How’s your week going?
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Al is well Brother…How R you?
September 12th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
You Dropped A Bomb On Me lyrics
You were the girl that changed my world
You were the girl for me
You lit the fuse, I stand accused
You were the first for me
But you turned me out, baby
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me (But you turned me on, baby)
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
You were my thrills, you were my pills
You dropped a bomb on me
You turn me out, you turn me on
You turned me loose, then you turned me wrong
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me (But you turned me out, baby)
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
Just like Adam and Eve, said youd set me free
You took me to the sky, Id never been so high
You were my pills, you were my thrills
You were my hope, baby, you were my smoke
You dropped a bomb, hey, babe
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me (But you turned me out, baby)
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me (But you turned me on, baby)
You dropped a bomb on me, baby (Mmm)
You dropped a bomb on me (You dropped a bomb on me, baby)
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
We were in motion, felt like an ocean
You were the girl for me
You were the first explosion, turned out to be corrosion
You were the first for me
But you turned me out, baby
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me (Whoa…whoa…oh…oh…baby)
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/g/gap-band-lyrics/you-dropped-a-bomb-on-me-lyrics.html ]
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me (I wont forget what you done to me, babe)
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
I-I-I
I-I-I wont forget it
I-I-I
I-I-I wont forget it
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
You dropped a bomb on me, baby
You dropped a bomb on me
I-I-I
I-I-I wont forget it
I-I-I
I-I-I wont forget it
You turned me out, you turned me on
And then you dropped me to the ground
You dropped a bomb on me.
You turned me out, you turned me on
And then you dropped me to the ground
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, you turned me on
And then you dropped me to the ground
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
You turned me out, then you turned me on
You dropped a bomb on me
September 12th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
What’s up Thec? Hopefully we’ll see you at the Steeler game!
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Hey Brother, hope all is well. If job permits i will be at the stillers game.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Still not seeing it.
I got my secret decoder ring out and everything.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Hey lemme ax all you Condo haters something…
Satisfied?
Dumbasses.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Jhill, what in the hell are you looking for???
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
time to wake up raider people. honeymoon is ova. this is a must win game. if not for the division, then for the morale. been there, done that
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
ArmChair says this song is about a major event in Black History.
Forgot the details.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
It’s all good. Still smarting over the Mon. nite debacle but hopefully we take care of Miami and things start to look up.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
It’s all good. Still smarting over the Mon. nite debacle but hopefully we take care of Miami and things start to look up.
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I live in SD…So I am getting it from disc fans.
Funny thing is, they are not happy the way they won.
Consensus is we gave the game away.
We will be better on Sunday.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
J Hill Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
ArmChair says this song is about a major event in Black History.
Forgot the details.
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Reference to the destruction of Black Wall street in Tulsa Ok 1921.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Does the ‘Trask/Allen/Reggie/Davis Connection’ really think they can win with this dink and dunk, lame assed wco? I’m sorry, but this just ain’t Raider football. Maybe when the TARD sees a mostly empty coliseum (ad nauseum) they’ll get the hint.
Sorry, this just ain’t Raider ball.
It just ain’t Raider ball.
Dink and dunk = stink and skunk
What we saw is the new Raider way of doin things?
Do we have a shot to beat the phins? I honestly cant say. But I do know if we do, it’ll be because our D pitched a shutout.
Oakland 3 (jano boots a 68 yarder)
phins 0
September 12th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Where did everybody go?
PUT YOUR PANTS!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Kolb beat the searats and Wisenhunt won’t even name him the starter. too funny.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Watched the Dolphins/Texans Shortcut tonight. Like every NFL team, they’ll be dangerous. Had flukey turnovers or the 1st half would have been very different. Running game was very impressive with Bush and Thomas. And that Thigpen dude is a nightmare as a returner. Can’t take them lightly.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I gotta good feelin Raids are gonna go into miami with a hard on and take it out on the dolphins, big time.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
dump the dink and dumb.
Bring back Hue as OC. He knows the Raider system more than the current OC.
Bring back the ‘pimp hand man’ just for good luck.
suit reggie up.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Detroit will beat the niners, and harbaugh will cry.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Oh Booo Hooo. charger fans butt hurt cuz they didnt beat the Raiders as bad as they wanted them to. Oh Boo Fckn Hoo.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
No Soup Fo You!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
What new on the Raider front? Allen goin to stay the course? Hope not. Hope the poo hit the fan and the rink-a-dink and take-a-dump was served notice.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
new post comin, i can smell it.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
So if the heat is going to be a concern in miama, is the brain trust preparing for this? Huh? Gonna be hot, Raid gonna be wearin black jerseys, heat will be hotter than the heat. Is the brain trust preparing for this? I sure hope so.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Is Reg/Allen preparin for east coast time? Cuz it seem the didn’t prepare well enough for SD. wth
September 12th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
PUT YOUR PANTS!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Lawn furniture is on sale.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
That game was the worst game in NFL history. Time to get things right.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
its so quiet in here than you could hear a mouse fart.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Mr. Heisman Lombardi Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
That game was the worst game in NFL history. Time to get things right.
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It was ugly, fo sho. How often do you actually witness something that ugly. Seahawks had negative six yards in ‘79. So maybe once every 33 years?
September 12th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
You hear mouse farts? you might want to check in with your family mental health specialist.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
If the Raids beat miama, everyone will think knapp is genius.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Oh. Just heard a mouse fart.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
If a mouse had constipation, that would be a scary screech, dontcha think? LOL
September 12th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
It’s good to see some idiots can just waste their life. It’s kind of funny for all of us. But now we know why the country is failing.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
I know I’m late to the party but let me speak from the Soap box. Attention can I please get your Attention Chaz Ford is a bust!!!!!
September 12th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
1960AutumnWind Saysets do this one point by point:HJAX is irrelevant Again, my opinion I’m not impressedI don’t know why you feel Again, the only valid consideration If you think he is, then fine. If you’re not sure, that’s fine too. If you don’t think he’s an excellent OCI refuse to settle for anything less than excellence.//////////////////Well he11 you should be a GM in the NFL and the phone is ringing off the hook and you’re just here to vent in between gigs, right?
September 12th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Dhidee99 Says:
I know I’m late to the party but let me speak from the Soap box. Attention can I please get your Attention Chaz Ford is a bust!!!!!/////////////////////////////////$$man,aka ‘rod money’ aka ‘terrell randall’ aka ‘$$man has spoken’ YOU can’t be late to the party. You weren’t invited. You have to crash the party. Story of you life, isn’t it?
September 12th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Ford, again sitting on the pine – naturally.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
OK, what the ???
IR Ford? PUP Ford?
September 12th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Sorry that ??? was for the mods…
September 12th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
We just need to hire someone to go & kick Knapp in the nuts and tell him to don’t do that schit again. Next time, if there is a next time, we’ll send a much stronger message.
I think most Raider fans on this blog would view this as an acceptable action to communicate our displeasure with Monday night’s lack of performance on Knapp’s part.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
No, cut Ford. He was worthless last season, worthless in pre-season this year, and will be worthless for the rest of the season.
Dude’s a loser, even if he did have a “lil” flash in the pan success his first season. That “flash” is long gone now.
I say the same thing about Moore. He’ll play against the fins, tweak his “lil” hammie and be out another 8 weeks.
Worthless malingerer – all talent aside: what he coulda, shoulda, woulda done is irrelevent.
I said it many times T. Jones is skinny legged and worthless: he may be quick but so what? He’s sitting on the pine again and we should get rid of him too.
I feel the best thing that could happen is that we go 1/15 and get a grippe of great draft picks and also lose all the flotsam banging on the dock.
If other teams can rebuild within a year, why can’t we?
September 13th, 2012 at 12:05 am
If other teams can rebuild within a year, why can’t we?
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Cuz we are Da Raiderrrrrrss. We dont rebuild, we re-load. Dont be late for the party.
September 13th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Dime Store Recluse
Cuz we are Da Raiderrrrrrss. We dont rebuild, we re-load. Dont be late for the party.
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Ah yeah, more AD nonsense: RITFOH
September 13th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Saw the game again:
I don’t know it was all on offense play-calling
Alot of it was just dumb mistakes
The t jones muff
The streater fumbleruski
The T Kelly double-up of 3rd down penalties
The post-Condo issues
The O-coordinator can’t control that chit…
The Defense look much improved
September 13th, 2012 at 12:45 am
guys who have “talent” but that i question (and always have):
wiz
brisiel
ausberry
ford
moore
jones
mcclain
huff
if these guys don’t contribute heavily this year, then they should be gone.
September 13th, 2012 at 12:50 am
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September 13th, 2012 at 1:13 am
late nite crewwwwww
September 13th, 2012 at 1:18 am
Got Damit…After that horrible azz snap the ST coach should had Goethal on the floor practicing; Goethal was just standing there laughing “huh huh look what I did”
September 13th, 2012 at 1:54 am
The offensive coord cannot make the wr catch we Plamer puts the ball on their hands
September 13th, 2012 at 2:29 am
raidertalk Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 1:54 am
The offensive coord cannot make the wr catch we Plamer puts the ball on their hands
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But he can devise a way to use Brandon Myers, Marcel Reece, and Darren Mcfadden more effectively.
September 13th, 2012 at 3:23 am
1NATION #1
Evening all.
Finally surfaced after my usual post game(myopic
fandom motivated) wake.lol
This article http://6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/exclusive-for-one-raiders-fan-the-pain-continues/
does the best job of describing my feelings I’ve found
in a while.
Too lazy to read the previous posts but I imagine the witch hunt is being focused on Knapp,DA and Regime in
that order.
Hands up all those that reckoned Condo was worthless.
lol
Olympian sized ineptitude indeed and in fropnt of the whole world (MNF) to boot.Hey but guess what?….we stopped the run!…..woot!
I cant even kick the dog (not much joy to be gained
from trying to beat up a 100 lb Blue Nose).
It, I’m afraid, is going top be a very long year.
September 13th, 2012 at 3:35 am
raidertalk Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Saw the game again:
I don’t know it was all on offense play-calling
Alot of it was just dumb mistakes
The t jones muff
The streater fumbleruski
The T Kelly double-up of 3rd down penalties
The post-Condo issues
The O-coordinator can’t control that chit…
The Defense look much improved
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Agreed but with no pass rush!The ground over in Oakland must be red hot with AD spinning so fast in
his resting spot.
Tentative comes to mind as a way to describe the O.
Haven’t looked at a paper this week (cant abide all the whiner tongue in arse ado) but I bet we were
around 40 for 60 for 250 yards passing…..I really hate the long hand off Offense.
If we are gonna suck then lets kick some arse on the way.
September 13th, 2012 at 3:51 am
The Raiders waived wide receiver Brandon Carswell from the practice squad and signed cornerback Coye Francies to take Carswell’s spot
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good move!
September 13th, 2012 at 3:53 am
The Raiders signed long-snapper Nick Guess, cornerback Coye Francies and defensive lineman Brandon Bair to their practice squad Wednesday.
In turn, they released wide receiver Brandon Carswell, defensive tackle Vaughn Meatoga and linebacker Nathan Stupar from their practice squad.
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Stupar gets purged AGAIN, what the heck?
September 13th, 2012 at 3:58 am
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain missed practice today as a result of an ankle injury he suffered Monday night against the San Diego Chargers. Running back Taiwan Jones also missed practice. In his case, it was because of a ribs injury he suffered Monday.
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Sheesh, the Chargers treated us like a punching bag, didn’t they?
Condo – concussion
Bartell – shoulder
McClain – ankle
Jones – ribs
September 13th, 2012 at 4:00 am
“Drink some water, you’ll be fine”
-Rolando McClain
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LOL, I love it!
September 13th, 2012 at 4:05 am
so…
if Condo isn’t cleared and Guess gets promoted from the practice squad, who gets booted from the 53 man roster??
I’m guessing it wont be Goodson or Goethel, due to the Jones & McClain injuries.
Ford to I.R. perhaps?
September 13th, 2012 at 4:06 am
RRS good evening.I doubt there are many players available
that can help the cause.Too many teams picking from the same tree.Diluting the draft.
We are attempting to run a WCO (gag!!!) with an old style
crew.Huejax at least knew what to do with what he had.
Ironic that we finally get a capable gunslinger only to
place him in a long handoff O.The WCO as designed for Montana by Walsh has had only one successful proponent.
The arseholes next door.The rest line up their biggest and their baddest and go toe to toe.Watching speed WR’s
in the WCO is moribund.
September 13th, 2012 at 4:09 am
Bears vs Packers tonight, eh?
that should be a good one. Bears played well last week and the Packers might be in a must-win situation after getting beat at home (49ers) in WK1
September 13th, 2012 at 4:12 am
Raiders, Chiefs & Chargers have it pretty easy this week – facing the Dolphins, Bills & Titans. Denver has to play against Atlanta on MNF!
but you know what they say “Any Given Sunday”
September 13th, 2012 at 4:19 am
“Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes the Packers would be “wise” to shop contract-year receiver Greg Jennings ahead of October’s trade deadline.”
trade movement if Ford is out for the year – or is it too soon?
September 13th, 2012 at 4:22 am
@Sam
isnt Greg Jennings injured, too?
September 13th, 2012 at 4:28 am
I would’nt be worried about the Miami heat..I would be worried about Knapps playcalling
September 13th, 2012 at 4:36 am
I’ll be amazed if the 9′ers get beat this year.They have the recipe down.Possession WR’s ,Big durable TE with good hands,smaller mobile Olinemen that don’t have to hold blocks and a fleet footed QB that is accurate at short to medium range.These players are obtainable at all levels of the draft.TE not withstanding.Their Dline is awesome for a 3-4 with their outstanding LB’s and covers up their weakness in the secondary.They will draft to fix that next year.We ,on the other hand,are still determining which direction we need to go with a roster full of guys that have been chosen with one thing in mind.
One thing is certain though….We are not competitive
with this coaching/managing staff and the players on our roster.Huejax would have been looking for personnel…..the regime is looking for a clue.
Replace the staff or the roster…Take your pick!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 5:04 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 4:22 am
@Sam
isnt Greg Jennings injured, too?
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a groin injury isnt a lisfranc. But I think Reggie Mac might just stand down on any deals and keep his picks for the draft.
What a mess they inherited. No depth, no picks…no kidding.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Davidon Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 4:28 am
I would’nt be worried about the Miami heat..I would be worried about Knapps playcalling
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You got that right. Did you see McFadden spike the ball into the ground in disgust on that one sweep that got stopped? As the game ended, he had a look at Palmer like WTF?
September 13th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Twinkle Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 4:36 am
I’ll be amazed if the 9′ers get beat this year.They have the recipe down.Possession WR’s ,Big durable TE with good hands,smaller mobile Olinemen that don’t have to hold blocks and a fleet footed QB that is accurate at short to medium range.These players are obtainable at all levels of the draft.TE not withstanding.Their Dline is awesome for a 3-4 with their outstanding LB’s and covers up their weakness in the secondary.They will draft to fix that next year.We ,on the other hand,are still determining which direction we need to go with a roster full of guys that have been chosen with one thing in mind.
One thing is certain though….We are not competitive
with this coaching/managing staff and the players on our roster.Huejax would have been looking for personnel…..the regime is looking for a clue.
Replace the staff or the roster…Take your pick!!!
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kind of amazing what patience in your top pick and high draft picks will do. – its owed to two people, Nolan coming over and instilling the Raven 3-4 system, drafting of Patrick Willis, finding good DBs with later picks like Tarrell Brown and a quality FA in Carlos Rogers – and that edge rusher Aldon Smith.
Oakland may need to be patient rather than panic and replace the staff – the roster is easy; get players to fit the system and dont overreact, but ADD ON the defense
remember the Niners earlier…decent on defense, then horrific on offense. – but a lot of Singletary’s toughness carried over. – its the mental toughness and swagger that is missing – very fragile confidence and belabored seasons of everything going wrong.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:18 am
Sam….I agree.
This roster is not staffed with the type of players
that regime needs to succeed.
When you have lemons make lemonade.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Rebuild central.
As I say I doubt that we are to be inundated with new fans.We will be getting high draft picks that’s for sure.
Remains to be seen what will happen with those.
Huejax got CP and should have been kept on to find out if he was right.Changing horses in midstream is always a bad move.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Circle the wagons…Go RAIDERS!!!
I’m done…for now… Out.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:40 am
436.davidon Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 4:28 am
I would’nt be worried about the Miami heat..I would be worried about Knapps playcalling
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Yup, unbelievable that year-to-year we have a glaring issue that prevents us from going to the playoffs…from not being able to stop the run, to the defense in general, poor QB play. But now we have to lose and watch boring football from K-N-A-P-P (Known Now As Playoff Preventer) it appears that he hasnt even installed any NO-HUDDLE schemes.
We aint goin nowhere with this guy so we might as well get used to it. Im not for giving him a chance PERIOD!!! Notice that the most successful offenses in todays NFL are offenses that can spread the defenses out and run NO-HUDDLE, WE ARE COOKED! with Knapp, because he’s gonna get McFadden killed.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Dr. Exla called it a Lisfranc injury weeks ago. Should have had the surgery during training camp. would have been ready middle of the season. Dufus Raider staff.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:42 am
Those that hate Knapp are going to hate him regardless of what we do. There is an agenda with most Knapp-haters. It is what it is.
That said, I agree with those whom think a mistake was made. Here is what should have happened…
HC: DA
OC: Saunders (same system as last year)
DC: Mad Scientist
I think the majority of semi’s here would have been in favor of that. And we’d be 1-0 right now.
The good news: Anyone notice that all of Reggie’s guys are impact players? Burris was a stud. Wheeler is a massive improvement over Wimbley. Streater can play.
The reason I bring this up is that we need a MAJOR culture change within our team. We have “losers” on this team. There is no other way to put it than that. I love our squad, and would have loved nothing more that to see us win with these guys (even JC) in ‘10 and ‘11 but they had their chance and like true losers, found a way to lose rather than find a way to win.
Losers find ways to lose.
We used to be DOMINANT on Monday Nite. We owned it. We found ways to win it and opposing teams knew it was coming before the game even started. Now, the fear is gone, SanDiusky knew we would implode, and we did, right on schedule. Our guys found a way to throw the game away.
We are in major need of a culture change here. Until then, we are fooling ourselves if we think we will be any better than what we have been. Talented losers are still losers. Tommy Kelly FOUND a way for us to give up first downs that led to a TD. Reece FOUND a way to screw up that lateral that otherwise may have gone for 6. T Jones FOUND a way to fumble the opening kickoff and play himself out of the gameplan. Our WR’s FOUND ways to drop brilliant throws by CP3 late in the game when we needed it most.
I know for a fact that Reggie was expecting big things from this current squad. And lord knows he needs it if he plans on keeping guys around at a discount (because we got cap he11 coming this offseason). And we need wins to sell out the stadium and keep any chance of keeping us where we belong which is in Oakland.
These players got no more excuses. They need to step the F up. Al is gone and so is his archaic D scheme. It’s time to start winning. Or we can kiss our team goodbye, Mark will have us in Los Angeles within a couple seasons.
We lose to Miami this weekend and we will be 0-4 before we know it. We should have been 2-2 and on pace to end up 10-6.
We barely beat a sorry Miami team and it will prove exactly what Im saying here, and that is we got a lot of turnover coming on our roster because it is still filled with losers.
We kill Miami and then MAYBE we got a chance of turning this season around.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:44 am
Im not giving up on Knapp yet. 3 TD passes in the preseason were dropped by our receivers. Not his fault.
It’s time to bring in another WR. Either sign Sessions from the PS or bring in TO or Plax. WE NEED A REDZONE PRESENCE.
September 13th, 2012 at 5:49 am
I would take a chance on Plaxico, not TO or Chad.J.
The only problem I see though is teams could be scared to because he may want to start. We could use PLax as a 3rd WR, especially in the REDZONE…however Knapps playcalling can make anything look bad.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:06 am
Back to Miami where the wheels really began to fall off last year vs. all-pro Matt Moore.
Also the year before at home to Miami and rocket-arm Chad Henne.
Now it’s rookie Ryan Tannehill. Are we gonna shut him down and create some turnovers or make it look like the Dolphins have a clue in the front office?
September 13th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Ford to I.R. perhaps?
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Guaranteed. There’s that new IR that allows players to come back somewhere around the mid point of the season. Not exactly sure how that works but I read something about it recently.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Good morning Nation! Nice posts Riff, couldn’t agree more bro. Raiders gonna spank the Fins like puppys!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Good morning Tx! How is San Antone Rose smell today?
September 13th, 2012 at 6:21 am
A NEW ERA OF EXCELLENCE..
September 13th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Klas good Morning my Swedish friend! The roses smell great bro, everything smells good when the Raiders get set to whoop the fins!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:25 am
I hope the dirty bastard Incognito for the fins goes down hard. I can’t stand the dirty mother focker and the cheap shots he takes on players.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:26 am
TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Klas good Morning my Swedish friend! The roses smell great bro, everything smells good when the Raiders get set to whoop the fins!
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Let us hope so. If Raiders drop crap like Kell does after drinking smoothie, Klas may have to bury head in snow.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Mornin’ Nation! What’s good?
Raiders 20 – Dolphins 16
September 13th, 2012 at 6:28 am
455.TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:25 am
I hope the dirty bastard Incognito for the fins goes down hard. I can’t stand the dirty mother focker and the cheap shots he takes on players.
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Incognito vs. Seymour might be worth the price of admission alone
September 13th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Incognito vs. Seymour might be worth the price of admission alone
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Didn’t Seymour get kicked out of Miami game last season?
September 13th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Good morning Tx, DLF, Riff and nation. Green Party Rules.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:32 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:33 am
O !!
good morning V.P. !!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:34 am
today is a GOOD DAY !!!
49 years ago the O.D.B. was born !!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Hope Pat Lee can keep up his good showing in place of Bartell.
The list of available corners is THIN, man. All I could find were Raiders camp rejects Conroy Black and Coye Francies and old Raiders reject Chris Carr and Syd’Quan Thompson who was cut by the Donks at the end of camp this year. Thompson has some return skills too but he’s more of a slot guy and we’ve already got Hanson.
Basically we’d better hope Lee can step up and blossom or the defense could be in big trouble.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Those that hate Knapp are going to hate him regardless of what we do. There is an agenda with most Knapp-haters. It is what it is.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hate?
Agenda?
Most fans HATE losing.
Agenda: most fans wanted to make Saunders the OC since he was familiar with our offense, and most fans thought our offense needs improvement/ a few tweaks but not an overhaul.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.
* “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:
People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.
Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.
- Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:
An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.
Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:
4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.
McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.
7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.
4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.
Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.
Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.
Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.
So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am
I knew it was a GRRRREAT day, but didn’t know why.
LONG LIVE THE ODB!!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Happy B Day Mike!!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Good Morning Raider bros!
Wow, Monday night was a tough pill to swallow. Ready to squish the fish. Anyone else think Saunders is refining Knapp’s offensive gameplan under close scrutiny by Dennis Allen?
Expect good things with Wiz and Moore back on Sunday!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Good morning ODB.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:40 am
lol,thanks O !!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:42 am
49?
The ODB is not that old?! He is just Nasty.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:43 am
The Nation is divided right now, things are getting a little out of hand here, don’t take it personal guys, this isn’t about Hue Jackson and certainly not about Al Davis, it’s about Reggie, DA, Knapp and this year’s team.
We are all overreacting a bit in both sides, it’s been one game, I’m pretty sure Knapp detractors (including yours truly) would love to see this Offense take off so we could start winning some games, we’re all rooting for the same team here, ok?.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:43 am
and J Hill.
and yes O yes i am !!!
September 13th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Oh, and BTW…
IR Jacoby.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Here’s a question that I haven’t seen answered: I thought we were supposed to be running the Houston Texans version of the ZBS based offense. So where were all the bootlegs and misdirection the Texans offense relies on?
September 13th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Klas Tjorborn Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:26 am
TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Klas good Morning my Swedish friend! The roses smell great bro, everything smells good when the Raiders get set to whoop the fins!
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Let us hope so. If Raiders drop crap like Kell does after drinking smoothie, Klas may have to bury head in snow.
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LMAO Klas, is it snowing there bro?
September 13th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Good morning Green Party! Greetings O and Mike, what’s good?
September 13th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Happy Birthday Mike!! Feliz Cumpleanos en espanol!lol
September 13th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Now if you guys want to use a measuring stick on Offense, we have a telling one.
The Raiders have played San Diego in 3 out of their last 9 games.
Under Hue last year, weeks 10 and 17, we averaged 504 yards of Offense and 25 ppg without McFadden, under Knapp with Palmer and # 20 it was 321 yards and 14 points, zero TD’s until less than 2 minutes remained in the game and with San Diego protecing a 16 point lead.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:51 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:28 am
455.TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:25 am
I hope the dirty bastard Incognito for the fins goes down hard. I can’t stand the dirty mother focker and the cheap shots he takes on players.
+++++++++++++++++
Incognito vs. Seymour might be worth the price of admission alone
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If Incognito takes cheap shots on our players I will be livid, that focker is known for playing dirty.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Right on Bob Marley, just don’t let MaddenRaider see that post. He hates reasoning backed up by research & facts.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Those that hate Knapp are going to hate him regardless of what we do. There is an agenda with most Knapp-haters. It is what it is.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hate?
Agenda?
Most fans HATE losing.
Agenda: most fans wanted to make Saunders the OC since he was familiar with our offense, and most fans thought our offense needs improvement/ a few tweaks but not an overhaul.
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I agree and I said, most fans would have been fine with Saunders and the overhaul was unnecessary. Last years O worked and we have the personel for it.
But the Knapp haters are not being rational. He called a good gameplan. We moved the ball and had chances. WR’s dropped balls, penalties pushed us back, players didnt make plays. It was that way in the preseason and it was that way on Monday Nite. Heck, it was that way last year for Hue also.
Our problems lie strictly on the players at this point. They have the coaches, the scheme, and the talent. The guys have to deliver. There is nothing more to it than that.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.
* “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:
People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.
Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.
- Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:
An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.
Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:
4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.
McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.
7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.
4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.
Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.
Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.
Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.
So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
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Agreed. But Hue got himself fired. Nobody to blame but himself.
He could have still been here but he overplayed his hand.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Now if you guys want to use a measuring stick on Offense, we have a telling one.
The Raiders have played San Diego in 3 out of their last 9 games.
Under Hue last year, weeks 10 and 17, we averaged 504 yards of Offense and 25 ppg without McFadden, under Knapp with Palmer and # 20 it was 321 yards and 14 points, zero TD’s until less than 2 minutes remained in the game and with San Diego protecing a 16 point lead.
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Nice post Bob, I still think Saunders can run the offense better than Knapp or Hue.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Tx,
Cush is good, but GDP is great.
I love you GDP (Grand Daddy Purple)
September 13th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Fact:
If Hue Jackson was coaching Monday night’s game most people would be eating him alive right now.
Let’s see:
There were discipline issues (flags), there was mismanaging the game (a delay of game inside the 5 yard, two 12 men on the field calls including a key 3rd and 1), the long-snapping blunder would also have been attributed directly to Hue and his “lack of preparation”, the drops and botched plays? also on Hue, you get the point.
So quit the double standard.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:43 am
The Nation is divided right now, things are getting a little out of hand here, don’t take it personal guys, this isn’t about Hue Jackson and certainly not about Al Davis, it’s about Reggie, DA, Knapp and this year’s team.
We are all overreacting a bit in both sides, it’s been one game, I’m pretty sure Knapp detractors (including yours truly) would love to see this Offense take off so we could start winning some games, we’re all rooting for the same team here, ok?.
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It was one game yes. But it was a game we should have won easily. That is why everyone is freaking out.
And it’s not just the fact that we lost, its the way we lost. As in, the same old story of perfectly timed momentum killing turnovers, dumb penalties on 3rd down, and a lack of heart.
There were a lot of brite spots, dont get me wrong. But when we should have been up 17-3 at halftime and instead we are down 10-6, we got a right to be pissed. We could have limped that lead to the end without Condo and won 24-13 easily.
But we kept punting on 4th and shorts even though WE ALL KNEW the backup LS couldnt do it. And our offense had NO URGENCY. And Gates ate us alive while MM34 sat on the sideline.
If Condo doesnt get hurt, we were capable of winning that game 31-6. Instead, you saw what we got and it wasnt even close let alone satisfactory.
September 13th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Tx,
Cush is good, but GDP is great.
I love you GDP (Grand Daddy Purple)
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I’d have to agree, some Afghan is the schizznit too brother, get you some if possible..
September 13th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Carl Weathers Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Ford to I.R. perhaps?
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Guaranteed. There’s that new IR that allows players to come back somewhere around the mid point of the season. Not exactly sure how that works but I read something about it recently.
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They may be waiting to see how Condo’s concussion plays out before deciding who to IR. Remember that you can only put one player per season on the “IR – Designated to Return” list.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Fact:
If Hue Jackson was coaching Monday night’s game most people would be eating him alive right now.
Let’s see:
There were discipline issues (flags), there was mismanaging the game (a delay of game inside the 5 yard, two 12 men on the field calls including a key 3rd and 1), the long-snapping blunder would also have been attributed directly to Hue and his “lack of preparation”, the drops and botched plays? also on Hue, you get the point.
So quit the double standard.
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Yep, DA and Hoffman dropped the ball last week. I was in here talking about the whole back-up long snapper situation, unacceptable.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Raider Riff.
Bob Marley Says:
Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.
* “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:
People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.
Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.
- Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:
An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.
Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:
4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.
McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.
7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.
4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.
Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.
Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.
Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.
So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
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Agreed. But Hue got himself fired. Nobody to blame but himself.
He could have still been here but he overplayed his hand.
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Ok, but my point is not Hue or his Offense, it’s people bringing up Hue when defending Knapp, I’m just giving the facts.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:04 am
But the Knapp haters are not being rational. He called a good gameplan. We moved the ball and had chances. WR’s dropped balls, penalties pushed us back, players didnt make plays. It was that way in the preseason and it was that way on Monday Nite. Heck, it was that way last year for Hue also.
Our problems lie strictly on the players at this point. They have the coaches, the scheme, and the talent. The guys have to deliver. There is nothing more to it than that.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Moving the ball is good, but it’s meaningless if you cant score TDs. That’s the problem with Knapp. Knapp’s offense has issues with scoring. That’s a fact.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:05 am
#446.
That’s funny. You think Wheeler is a massive improvement over Kamerion WImbley. Then why did get a contract for $11 million this season alone. You saying Wheeler is better is like saying Wheeler is better than Derrick Burgess. Wimbley is a pass-rusher, which we are in dire need of right now.
And Streater? The guy fumbles on our opening possession. He caught 4 of the 9 passes targeted to him. He has potential, but he had no impact Monday.
Burris can play, no doubt there but I wouldn’t classify him as an “impact” player.
And what about his other pickups? Bartell got beaten badly on a bomb on a 3rd & long and is injured once again. It’s a good thing we cut DVD for a habitually injured CB right?
Biesel? He was the road-grader for DMC in which he averaged 2 yards a carry.
What about Goodson? You know the guy Reggie said “He didn’t realize how good he was on film”. I guess he didn’t fumble. Of course, for any player on offense, I guess we can cut them slack since Knapp helps them look worse.
And when you are putting Marcel in the “losers” club, keep in mind Reggie just signed him to a new contract. Too bad, it’s wasted money as long as Knapp is here.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Bob Marley Says:
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Ok, but my point is not Hue or his Offense, it’s people bringing up Hue when defending Knapp, I’m just giving the facts.
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I know you are. And I agree with you.
I think the people bringing up Hue are not making sense. Hue is gone and it was his own doing. Furthermore, Knapp has nothing to do with it. Knapp is doing fine. He doesnt need defending much less Hue brought into the discussion.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Tx,
I had it before, but my favorite are Sophia, GDP, and Cat Piss.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Fact:
If Hue Jackson was coaching Monday night’s game most people would be eating him alive right now.
Let’s see:
There were discipline issues (flags), there was mismanaging the game (a delay of game inside the 5 yard, two 12 men on the field calls including a key 3rd and 1), the long-snapping blunder would also have been attributed directly to Hue and his “lack of preparation”, the drops and botched plays? also on Hue, you get the point.
So quit the double standard.
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JFB, thoughts??
September 13th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:04 am
But the Knapp haters are not being rational. He called a good gameplan. We moved the ball and had chances. WR’s dropped balls, penalties pushed us back, players didnt make plays. It was that way in the preseason and it was that way on Monday Nite. Heck, it was that way last year for Hue also.
Our problems lie strictly on the players at this point. They have the coaches, the scheme, and the talent. The guys have to deliver. There is nothing more to it than that.
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Moving the ball is good, but it’s meaningless if you cant score TDs. That’s the problem with Knapp. Knapp’s offense has issues with scoring. That’s a fact.
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Why do you ignore the fact that the reason we didnt score TDs in the preseason was because our players dropped passes? Streater, a TE, and DHB. Why is that Knapps fault?
We didnt score on Monday Nite because of 12 men in the huddle, Reece’s HORRIBLE lateral, WR’s running the wrong routes or dropping passes in clutch moments.
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:10 am
O
LMAO@ Cat piss
Gotta run for a few will return
September 13th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:51 am
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I agree and I said, most fans would have been fine with Saunders and the overhaul was unnecessary. Last years O worked and we have the personel for it.
But the Knapp haters are not being rational. He called a good gameplan. We moved the ball and had chances. WR’s dropped balls, penalties pushed us back, players didnt make plays. It was that way in the preseason and it was that way on Monday Nite. Heck, it was that way last year for Hue also.
Our problems lie strictly on the players at this point. They have the coaches, the scheme, and the talent. The guys have to deliver. There is nothing more to it than that.
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That’s BS dude. We’ve seen what our players on defense can do with an improved player-friendly scheme.
Knapp-time couldn’t get DMC going. His scheme & game plan sucked like they ALWAYS have. Tom Cable was a better OC than this guy & that’s with doubling as HC. Hue was light years ahead of him & he was able to get the best out of our weapons.(DMC, Moore, Ford, DHB, Marcel)
I know players need to catch the ball, but they are obviously frustrated with this offense & it is affecting their focus on details like that. I guarantee DMC hugging hates this guy.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:13 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:05 am
#446.
That’s funny. You think Wheeler is a massive improvement over Kamerion WImbley. Then why did get a contract for $11 million this season alone. You saying Wheeler is better is like saying Wheeler is better than Derrick Burgess. Wimbley is a pass-rusher, which we are in dire need of right now.
And Streater? The guy fumbles on our opening possession. He caught 4 of the 9 passes targeted to him. He has potential, but he had no impact Monday.
Burris can play, no doubt there but I wouldn’t classify him as an “impact” player.
And what about his other pickups? Bartell got beaten badly on a bomb on a 3rd & long and is injured once again. It’s a good thing we cut DVD for a habitually injured CB right?
Biesel? He was the road-grader for DMC in which he averaged 2 yards a carry.
What about Goodson? You know the guy Reggie said “He didn’t realize how good he was on film”. I guess he didn’t fumble. Of course, for any player on offense, I guess we can cut them slack since Knapp helps them look worse.
And when you are putting Marcel in the “losers” club, keep in mind Reggie just signed him to a new contract. Too bad, it’s wasted money as long as Knapp is here.
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Our LB core was our biggest weakness the last few years. It was our strength Monday Nite. Go re-watch the game. Ive already watched it 3 times. Burris and Wheeler are in nearly every play.
Wimbley was good. But he was a liability in every situation except a known passing down. I wish we still had him, dont get me wrong. But Im not crying either, Im very happy with who we have.
Bartell got beat on a great play call by Norv. It happens.
Until Reece starts making a positive impact when given the chance, he’s a “loser”. He F’d up a critical play. He’s not in the overall gameplan because of his stupid hold-out he was never going to win. He got into camp too late. These new coaches arent waiting around for these guys.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider Riff Says:
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
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Neither was Tom Walsh or Chuck Bresnahan.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:16 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:51 am
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I agree and I said, most fans would have been fine with Saunders and the overhaul was unnecessary. Last years O worked and we have the personel for it.
But the Knapp haters are not being rational. He called a good gameplan. We moved the ball and had chances. WR’s dropped balls, penalties pushed us back, players didnt make plays. It was that way in the preseason and it was that way on Monday Nite. Heck, it was that way last year for Hue also.
Our problems lie strictly on the players at this point. They have the coaches, the scheme, and the talent. The guys have to deliver. There is nothing more to it than that.
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That’s BS dude. We’ve seen what our players on defense can do with an improved player-friendly scheme.
Knapp-time couldn’t get DMC going. His scheme & game plan sucked like they ALWAYS have. Tom Cable was a better OC than this guy & that’s with doubling as HC. Hue was light years ahead of him & he was able to get the best out of our weapons.(DMC, Moore, Ford, DHB, Marcel)
I know players need to catch the ball, but they are obviously frustrated with this offense & it is affecting their focus on details like that. I guarantee DMC hugging hates this guy.
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DMC had over 100 total yards at halftime I believe. So can the crap about Knapp not getting him going.
Other players besides CP3 and DMC have to show up. Nobody else on offense did. NOBODY.
Go re-watch the game. Knapp called good plays, they have to be executed.
And dont call this a non player friendly scheme. It may not fit our personel as good as our previous scheme but its far from non friendly.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:17 am
484 & 488, Raiderriff I dont know what you looking at, but Knapps Offenses have this negative history with us and other teams…I would prefer along with all the other posts not to be right, that he is so bad…but until he proves different, his offense will not translate into victories, no matter who is playing for us!
September 13th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:04 am
But the Knapp haters are not being rational. He called a good gameplan. We moved the ball and had chances. WR’s dropped balls, penalties pushed us back, players didnt make plays. It was that way in the preseason and it was that way on Monday Nite. Heck, it was that way last year for Hue also.
Our problems lie strictly on the players at this point. They have the coaches, the scheme, and the talent. The guys have to deliver. There is nothing more to it than that.
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Moving the ball is good, but it’s meaningless if you cant score TDs. That’s the problem with Knapp. Knapp’s offense has issues with scoring. That’s a fact.
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Why do you ignore the fact that the reason we didnt score TDs in the preseason was because our players dropped passes? Streater, a TE, and DHB. Why is that Knapps fault?
We didnt score on Monday Nite because of 12 men in the huddle, Reece’s HORRIBLE lateral, WR’s running the wrong routes or dropping passes in clutch moments.
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
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Why do you ignore the fact that he only had 2 good years as an OC with the 49ers, and the rest of his career is below avg -avg at best? You can’t blame the talent 7/9 years, you can’t ignore the fact that he wasn’t an OC the last 2 years for a reason, and you can’t keep creating excuses for the guy.
Good OCs find ways to win. Look at Denver last year and Miami with the wildcat offense.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:18 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider Riff Says:
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
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Neither was Tom Walsh or Chuck Bresnahan.
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Both of whom are jobless. Yet Knapp is always finding work. Seems the GMs in this league know something you dont.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Wimbley was good. But he was a liability in every situation except a known passing down. I wish we still had him, dont get me wrong. But Im not crying either, Im very happy with who we have.
Bartell got beat on a great play call by Norv. It happens.
Until Reece starts making a positive impact when given the chance, he’s a “loser”. He F’d up a critical play.
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1) Wheeler and Burris are part of the solution not the problem agreed. They were everywhere. RoMac too for that matter.
2) Wimbley is a hand in the dirt defensive end. When was his biggest impact for the Raiders? When he moved to DE on passing downs. Why they insisted on playing him at SLB the rest of the time I’ll never know. Poor use of personnel and I wish him well in Tennessee.
3) That catch Floyd made was ridiculous. Agreed that anyone that blames Bartell is a tool
4) Was that play more Reece’s or Taiwan Jones’s fault? I can’t remember who effed up the exchange by tossing it into the other’s facemask.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:21 am
I think what may be being missed in the “agenda” of the Knapp detractors is that we want to WIN games.
If we aren’t good enough to be a playoff team this yr (as some have accepted) than fine, but if we have the talent to get there and we are being hindered by some ineffective system? THAT is what has me down on him.
I don’t WANT to not like Knapp. I want to really like the guy..I am just honestly and legitimatly upset that it appears to me he is gonna hold back a talented offense and ruin what could possibly be a good season.
There is no pre-supposed agenda against him…alot of us just don’t trust him to help us win games.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Raider O Says:
Why do you ignore the fact that he only had 2 good years as an OC with the 49ers, and the rest of his career is below avg -avg at best? You can’t blame the talent 7/9 years, you can’t ignore the fact that he wasn’t an OC the last 2 years for a reason, and you can’t keep creating excuses for the guy.
Good OCs find ways to win. Look at Denver last year and Miami with the wildcat offense.
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Excuses? No, those were facts. Our players F’d up and did not deliver. They shrunk under the lights. You are the one ignoring what went down.
We make the plays and Condo doesnt get hurt, we win easily 31-6.
The Knapp haters have an agenda. All objectivity is out the door. Im not Knapp fan myself but I cant ignore the obvious, he’s doing a fine job.
The idiots that are mad that we didnt go deep more are just showing how little they know. SanDiusky was playing too deep with their safeties. They were giving us the underneath stuff. CP3 had to take what he could get.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:23 am
506.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:18 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider Riff Says:
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
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Neither was Tom Walsh or Chuck Bresnahan.
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Both of whom are jobless. Yet Knapp is always finding work. Seems the GMs in this league know something you dont.
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The only thing I can guess is that he’s being hired because of his experience…He hasnt been associated yet with a team that has had extended success, I mean his history is not good. And are you telling me that all of those COOR that you name were Good?
September 13th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:13 am
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Our LB core was our biggest weakness the last few years. It was our strength Monday Nite. Go re-watch the game. Ive already watched it 3 times. Burris and Wheeler are in nearly every play.
Wimbley was good. But he was a liability in every situation except a known passing down. I wish we still had him, dont get me wrong. But Im not crying either, Im very happy with who we have.
Bartell got beat on a great play call by Norv. It happens.
Until Reece starts making a positive impact when given the chance, he’s a “loser”. He F’d up a critical play. He’s not in the overall gameplan because of his stupid hold-out he was never going to win. He got into camp too late. These new coaches arent waiting around for these guys.
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I’m not ragging on Wheeler. He is a good glue guy, but he is a completely different player from Wimbley. And BTW, we have a DL that can stop the run which is helping the LB’s out. The DL is the true strength of the defense.
Reese seemed to have a positive impact under the previous OC didn’t he? Do I need to bring up his games?
I do love it though when Marcel screws up a pitch, it’s all on him, but when Bartell gets beaten like a drum its cuz of the coach…
No double standard there!
September 13th, 2012 at 7:25 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:21 am
I think what may be being missed in the “agenda” of the Knapp detractors is that we want to WIN games.
If we aren’t good enough to be a playoff team this yr (as some have accepted) than fine, but if we have the talent to get there and we are being hindered by some ineffective system? THAT is what has me down on him.
I don’t WANT to not like Knapp. I want to really like the guy..I am just honestly and legitimatly upset that it appears to me he is gonna hold back a talented offense and ruin what could possibly be a good season.
There is no pre-supposed agenda against him…alot of us just don’t trust him to help us win games.
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There isnt an agenda? Really? Youre not being honest about the posts written here. Nothing against you personally but we could score a TD on every play and some here would be mad that we didnt go for the 2 pt conversion.
Im as down as you are. But I know where the finger needs to be pointed, at the players.
Knapp isnt the reason T Kelly jumped offsides TWICE
Knapp isnt the reason Reece tossed the ball at T Jones’ facemask!
Knapp isnt the reason DHB ran the wrong route on what should have been a easy TD
Knapp isnt the reason Streater fumbled or dropped the other pass
Knapp isnt the reason Condo got hurt.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:26 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/13/columnist-tebow-could-ask-for-trade-after-season-if-not-starter/
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Wow! Just when I thought I’d heard it all!
September 13th, 2012 at 7:26 am
I do love it though when Marcel screws up a pitch, it’s all on him, but when Bartell gets beaten like a drum its cuz of the coach…
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That IS all on Reece. I haven’t seen a lateral that bad in YEARS.
Bartell got smoked once. It happens to every CB from Darrelle Revis on down. The second time Willie Brown and Mike Haynes in double coverage couldn’t have prevented that catch.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Raider O Says:
Why do you ignore the fact that he only had 2 good years as an OC with the 49ers, and the rest of his career is below avg -avg at best? You can’t blame the talent 7/9 years, you can’t ignore the fact that he wasn’t an OC the last 2 years for a reason, and you can’t keep creating excuses for the guy.
Good OCs find ways to win. Look at Denver last year and Miami with the wildcat offense.
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Excuses? No, those were facts. Our players F’d up and did not deliver. They shrunk under the lights. You are the one ignoring what went down.
We make the plays and Condo doesnt get hurt, we win easily 31-6.
The Knapp haters have an agenda. All objectivity is out the door. Im not Knapp fan myself but I cant ignore the obvious, he’s doing a fine job.
The idiots that are mad that we didnt go deep more are just showing how little they know. SanDiusky was playing too deep with their safeties. They were giving us the underneath stuff. CP3 had to take what he could get.
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Objective? You saying Knapp-time offense could get 31 points in the game? LOL! Hilarious……
I guess if DHB would hung onto to some balls in Green Bay last year & Carson would have not thrown so many picks we would have scored 40 points that day! LOL!
September 13th, 2012 at 7:29 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:13 am
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Our LB core was our biggest weakness the last few years. It was our strength Monday Nite. Go re-watch the game. Ive already watched it 3 times. Burris and Wheeler are in nearly every play.
Wimbley was good. But he was a liability in every situation except a known passing down. I wish we still had him, dont get me wrong. But Im not crying either, Im very happy with who we have.
Bartell got beat on a great play call by Norv. It happens.
Until Reece starts making a positive impact when given the chance, he’s a “loser”. He F’d up a critical play. He’s not in the overall gameplan because of his stupid hold-out he was never going to win. He got into camp too late. These new coaches arent waiting around for these guys.
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I’m not ragging on Wheeler. He is a good glue guy, but he is a completely different player from Wimbley. And BTW, we have a DL that can stop the run which is helping the LB’s out. The DL is the true strength of the defense.
Reese seemed to have a positive impact under the previous OC didn’t he? Do I need to bring up his games?
I do love it though when Marcel screws up a pitch, it’s all on him, but when Bartell gets beaten like a drum its cuz of the coach…
No double standard there!
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Our D line was always good. RoMac is no longer worried about what his other LB’s are doing. I said it before the season, our LB corps IQ got a lot higher with Burris and Wheeler and I felt that would help RoMac a lot, and it did. Our LBs are where they are supposed to be on every play.
Reece never should have held out. He would have been more involved in our gameplan. His fault entirely.
Bartell got beat like a drum? A diving catch on a great play call is getting beat like a drum? It was a PHENOMENAL CALL AND CATCH. Give credit where it is due.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:30 am
512.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:25 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:21 am
I think what may be being missed in the “agenda” of the Knapp detractors is that we want to WIN games.
If we aren’t good enough to be a playoff team this yr (as some have accepted) than fine, but if we have the talent to get there and we are being hindered by some ineffective system? THAT is what has me down on him.
I don’t WANT to not like Knapp. I want to really like the guy..I am just honestly and legitimatly upset that it appears to me he is gonna hold back a talented offense and ruin what could possibly be a good season.
There is no pre-supposed agenda against him…alot of us just don’t trust him to help us win games.
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There isnt an agenda? Really? Youre not being honest about the posts written here. Nothing against you personally but we could score a TD on every play and some here would be mad that we didnt go for the 2 pt conversion.
Im as down as you are. But I know where the finger needs to be pointed, at the players.
Knapp isnt the reason T Kelly jumped offsides TWICE
Knapp isnt the reason Reece tossed the ball at T Jones’ facemask!
Knapp isnt the reason DHB ran the wrong route on what should have been a easy TD
Knapp isnt the reason Streater fumbled or dropped the other pass
Knapp isnt the reason Condo got hurt.
Then give me some reason why even Tom Cable who is no offensive genious when he was here, took the playcalling away from Knapp, and then the offense did a little better.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Facts are:
-Knapp’s offense was ranked in the 20’s 4/9 years.
-Knapp’s offense was ranked 13-20 (avg) 3/9 years.
-Knapp was fired from Seattle and Cable rookover play calling in OAK due to Knapps failure to score points.
-Knapp was a QB coach the last 2 years for a reason, so most GM and HCs are not sold in the guy as OC.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:18 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider Riff Says:
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
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Neither was Tom Walsh or Chuck Bresnahan.
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Both of whom are jobless. Yet Knapp is always finding work. Seems the GMs in this league know something you don’t.
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The GM’s aren’t suppose to be hiring him, it’s the coaches. Congratulations to Knapp that he can find a job like every other desposable coach. But hey don’t bother showing proof where he has ever succeeded at his fu**king job.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Raider O Says:
Why do you ignore the fact that he only had 2 good years as an OC with the 49ers, and the rest of his career is below avg -avg at best? You can’t blame the talent 7/9 years, you can’t ignore the fact that he wasn’t an OC the last 2 years for a reason, and you can’t keep creating excuses for the guy.
Good OCs find ways to win. Look at Denver last year and Miami with the wildcat offense.
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Excuses? No, those were facts. Our players F’d up and did not deliver. They shrunk under the lights. You are the one ignoring what went down.
We make the plays and Condo doesnt get hurt, we win easily 31-6.
The Knapp haters have an agenda. All objectivity is out the door. Im not Knapp fan myself but I cant ignore the obvious, he’s doing a fine job.
The idiots that are mad that we didnt go deep more are just showing how little they know. SanDiusky was playing too deep with their safeties. They were giving us the underneath stuff. CP3 had to take what he could get.
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Objective? You saying Knapp-time offense could get 31 points in the game? LOL! Hilarious……
I guess if DHB would hung onto to some balls in Green Bay last year & Carson would have not thrown so many picks we would have scored 40 points that day! LOL!
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Streater fumble: Opening drive should have resulted in 7-0.
Reece fumble: T Jones would have gone the distance 14-0
12 men in the huddle: We dont end up on the 1 yd line but we score, 21-3
DHB runs the right route: 28-6
Streater or DHB catch the damn ball: 35-6
Players have to make the plays when the time arrises.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Riff,
What’s my agenda?
lol
September 13th, 2012 at 7:33 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:18 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider Riff Says:
Knapp isnt wearing a jersey.
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Neither was Tom Walsh or Chuck Bresnahan.
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Both of whom are jobless. Yet Knapp is always finding work. Seems the GMs in this league know something you don’t.
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The GM’s aren’t suppose to be hiring him, it’s the coaches. Congratulations to Knapp that he can find a job like every other desposable coach. But hey don’t bother showing proof where he has ever succeeded at his fu**king job.
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Proof is that he’s made the right calls all preseason and Monday Nite, the players didnt deliver. He cant catch these balls for the WR’s.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Biggest issue out of MNF is OL play-scheme.
Carson Palmer was sacked 3 times, by that pace we’ll allow 48 for the season, in 2011 our QB’s were sacked just 25 times all year.
We ran the ball 20 times for 45 yards, I’m not even going to project that because it will go up, but a horrid start with McFadden in.
And yes, the ZBS can work, many teams use it with differente degrees of success, but that doesn’t mean it’s gonna work here.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:35 am
That list will have the names of all of knapp and hoffmans appologists by seasons end..
September 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Facts are:
-Knapp’s offense was ranked in the 20’s 4/9 years.
-Knapp’s offense was ranked 13-20 (avg) 3/9 years.
-Knapp was fired from Seattle and Cable rookover play calling in OAK due to Knapps failure to score points.
-Knapp was a QB coach the last 2 years for a reason, so most GM and HCs are not sold in the guy as OC.
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Cable took over play calling because he was an egomaniac like Hue that would stab a person in the back to climb the ladder. Trust me on that one. Or not. I dont care. But those that know his situation personally know what kind of person he is. Hue “Cabled” Cable.
Plus, Cable’s offense got worse than what Knapp was doing. So that nullifies your argument right there.
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am
518,
Took over*
On*
September 13th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Let’s not play the what if game, it’s pointless.
Execution comes from practice, it’s the Coaches job to have them ready to deliver on gameday, no?.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:35 am
That list will have the names of all of knapp and hoffmans appologists by seasons end..
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There arent any Hoffman apologists are there?
We definitely should have kept Fassel. I think its universally accepted by all the semi’s.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:37 am
And yes, the ZBS can work, many teams use it with differente degrees of success, but that doesn’t mean it’s gonna work here.
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You break it down and it’s not encouraging.
Veldheer and Wiz are the only two lineman perfectly suited to play in any scheme.
Carlisle is supposed to be good at ZBS but interestingly his best results have come when the Raiders have run a power-man blocking scheme. Regardless he’s old & declining rapidly.
Alex Parsons is a backup and can’t be relied on.
Brisiel is supposed to be a ZBS stud but the early results on him are dismal.
Barnes is a journeyman who should never be more than a swing tackle spot starter.
The depressing thing here is the inability of some of the young depth we’d been counting on–Bergstrom at LG and Barksdale at RT–to step up and take the jobs from mediocre vets.
Add that to Wiz’s injury Monday night and Brisiel’s inability so far to play like he did in Houston and you get the best RB in the league averaging 2 YPC and Palmer getting sacked thrice.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:38 am
RaiderRiff, Knapp was hired by Allen, because they both coached in Atlanta together…not because he has had such great past success.
I can also assure you that if his playcalling doesnt improve, he will not be calling plays all year. But unfortunately by that time we may be out of the playoff picture.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Streater fumble: Opening drive should have resulted in 7-0.
Reece fumble: T Jones would have gone the distance 14-0
12 men in the huddle: We dont end up on the 1 yd line but we score, 21-3
DHB runs the right route: 28-6
Streater or DHB catch the damn ball: 35-6
Players have to make the plays when the time arrises.
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I see so you think that EVERYONE of those plays would have resulted in TD’s…Of course, when the few times we did execute, we kicked a 51-yard FG and a 19 yard FG….Right all pre-season, we were scoring TD’s at will too. Yup, how silly of me to find Knapp as completely worthless.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:38 am
There arent any Hoffman apologists are there?
We definitely should have kept Fassel. I think its universally accepted by all the semi’s.
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Hoffman is awful. DA has been spotted giving him the business on the sidelines already. It wouldn’t shock me if he’s one-and-done here.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
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I’ll keep reminding you of the facts about Knapp too.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Let’s not play the what if game, it’s pointless.
Execution comes from practice, it’s the Coaches job to have them ready to deliver on gameday, no?.
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Execution comes from within. Either you got it or you dont.
You could see who came to play. CP3 came to play. DMC came to play. Our D came to play.
Some of the other guys wilted under the lights. No amount of practice will ever change that. Youre either a “gamer” or you arent.
Reggie and the DA gotta weed the losing culture out.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:42 am
K-N-A-P-P (Known Now As Playoff Preventer).
September 13th, 2012 at 7:42 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Streater fumble: Opening drive should have resulted in 7-0.
Reece fumble: T Jones would have gone the distance 14-0
12 men in the huddle: We dont end up on the 1 yd line but we score, 21-3
DHB runs the right route: 28-6
Streater or DHB catch the damn ball: 35-6
Players have to make the plays when the time arrises.
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I see so you think that EVERYONE of those plays would have resulted in TD’s…Of course, when the few times we did execute, we kicked a 51-yard FG and a 19 yard FG….Right all pre-season, we were scoring TD’s at will too. Yup, how silly of me to find Knapp as completely worthless.
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In the preseason our receivers dropped 3 TDs in the endzone.
Keep ignoring it as if it didnt happen. It doesnt matter to me.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Actually cable took over playcalling because al Davis wants his HC calling plays. Any raider fan knows this. That’s why when hue was OC we knew the ultimate fact was he was. hC in waiting.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:43 am
As big a Tarver fan as I am, WTF was up with Desmond Bryant only playing like 15 snaps Monday night?
September 13th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am
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Cable took over play calling because he was an egomaniac like Hue that would stab a person in the back to climb the ladder. Trust me on that one. Or not. I dont care. But those that know his situation personally know what kind of person he is. Hue “Cabled” Cable.
Plus, Cable’s offense got worse than what Knapp was doing. So that nullifies your argument right there.
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
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THey may have egos and yes Cable’s offense got worse the next year, but we went out on got Hue who made chicken salad out of chicken sh!t…I really hope you are not comparing Knapp’s offense to Hue’s. And I will take 2 egotistical asses as long as they are innovative and can get the most out of our players.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’ll keep reminding you of the facts about Knapp too.
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No. You wont. Because the facts on Knapp shows he’s put us in position to score. The players didnt deliver.
But go on, keep blaming the coaches. The Al Davis way. Its really worked the past 20+ years.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:45 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am
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Cable took over play calling because he was an egomaniac like Hue that would stab a person in the back to climb the ladder. Trust me on that one. Or not. I dont care. But those that know his situation personally know what kind of person he is. Hue “Cabled” Cable.
Plus, Cable’s offense got worse than what Knapp was doing. So that nullifies your argument right there.
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
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THey may have egos and yes Cable’s offense got worse the next year, but we went out on got Hue who made chicken salad out of chicken sh!t…I really hope you are not comparing Knapp’s offense to Hue’s. And I will take 2 egotistical asses as long as they are innovative and can get the most out of our players.
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Ive said it a million times, I wish Hue was still here. I wish he hadnt gotten himself canned.
Ive also said Im not a fan of Knapp. I would have preferred Saunders and the old scheme.
But the fact is, Knapp is putting us in position to score. The players have to live up to their potential and seize the moment.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:47 am
The zbs is for small quick linemen not tall powerful ones.. waste
Dmac isnt great at making one cut decisions.. picks the wrong hole all day.. waste
And knapp wont adjust.. he’ll get the ax after yhe season..
September 13th, 2012 at 7:48 am
While Reece could have given Jones a better feed, Jones definitely took his eyes off the ball.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
We had the same problems when Hue was the HC/OC. He called good plays, players often didnt deliver.
Jacoby fumbled against Denver. DMC fumbled against Buffalo. DHB fumbled against Detroit.
Players have to make the plays. These coaches know what they are doing. Rarely in the NFL do coaches get out-coached by each other. It happens, but it didnt happen Monday Nite. Execution is the X factor.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
540.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’ll keep reminding you of the facts about Knapp too.
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No. You wont. Because the facts on Knapp shows he’s put us in position to score. The players didnt deliver.
But go on, keep blaming the coaches. The Al Davis way. Its really worked the past 20+ years.
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I couldnt blame Knapp if he wasnt a main part of our offense not working. But here he is again, and we have better talent now, yet it looks like the same useless conservative offense. Wheres the NO-HUDDLE at least???
The most successful offenses by today NFL standards are running it efficiently, and catching opponents off guard with it!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I really think at the end of this season either DMac has to go or Knapp has to go.
As Marks Hair just said, DMac is not a one-cut-and-go runner.
So either the Raiders need to trade McFadden for a good haul to a team that can utilize him better or sch!tcan Knapp and bring in an OC who can play to his strengths.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Ok all u ZBS fans. Tell me this. Y didn’t the ZBS scheme work here bfore. With cable an co.
Same RB an all.
It doesn’t fit DMAC or these linemen IMO. Which ain’t much we should mix it up an use both.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Twocents Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:48 am
While Reece could have given Jones a better feed, Jones definitely took his eyes off the ball.
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Have you ever personally taken a lateral on a reverse?
It’s always the guy tossing the laterals responsibility. And if you throw it too high, its very easy to lose the ball.
It apparent that a lot of the semi’s have never played football. Madden ‘13 doesnt count.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:51 am
R8dercain Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Ok all u ZBS fans. Tell me this. Y didn’t the ZBS scheme work here bfore. With cable an co.
Same RB an all.
It doesn’t fit DMAC or these linemen IMO. Which ain’t much we should mix it up an use both.
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Im not a ZBS fan.
But it isnt the current problem nor was it Monday Nite.
We spent the whole game behind. We never had a chance to get the run going.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:53 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I really think at the end of this season either DMac has to go or Knapp has to go.
As Marks Hair just said, DMac is not a one-cut-and-go runner.
So either the Raiders need to trade McFadden for a good haul to a team that can utilize him better or sch!tcan Knapp and bring in an OC who can play to his strengths.
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I dont want to see DMC go. He’s the best RB in the league.
Im tired of all the changes of schemes that is for sure. To switch back to the power scheme would just be a joke. Bouncing all around without any consistency would not be good.
DMC can play the ZBS. Its our O-Line that might not have the personel for it currently.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:53 am
549.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:51 am
R8dercain Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Ok all u ZBS fans. Tell me this. Y didn’t the ZBS scheme work here bfore. With cable an co.
Same RB an all.
It doesn’t fit DMAC or these linemen IMO. Which ain’t much we should mix it up an use both.
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Im not a ZBS fan.
But it isnt the current problem nor was it Monday Nite.
We spent the whole game behind. We never had a chance to get the run going.
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I still think you wrong about. K-N-A-P-P (Known Now As Playoff Preventer).
September 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Let me reprhase that, while DMC can play the ZBS, Im not saying that he wouldnt be better in the power scheme.
Im a power scheme fan.
But I just want some stability.
I dont think switching mid-season is possible.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’ll keep reminding you of the facts about Knapp too.
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No. You wont. Because the facts on Knapp shows he’s put us in position to score. The players didnt deliver.
But go on, keep blaming the coaches. The Al Davis way. Its really worked the past 20+ years.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Facts are he was/is a below avg OC since his teams ranked in the 20’s in scoring the last 4 years of his career as OC, and he was fired from Seattle for the same issue, and he was a QB coach the last 2 seasons for a reason. You choose to ignore all the facts and blame the players for his failures.
Knapp is great. The problem is DHB who had 9 catches, 130 yards, and a TD against SD last year and 3 catches last game. The problem is DMAC who averaged 5 ypc last year and only managed 2ypc last game, but he had 13 catches.
Stop it dude….stop it.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
DMAC is the best back in the league. U design a f’kn scheme to fit his strengths.
Not slow him down with this ZBS BS
September 13th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Ddwight Says:
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I still think you wrong about. K-N-A-P-P (Known Now As Playoff Preventer).
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That is because no matter what happens, it is Knapps fault.
The WR’s can run the wrong routes and drop passes and yet its still Knapps fault.
Hue had to deal with the same lack of fortitude from the players.
Losers find way to lose on plays where we are set up to win.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:58 am
550.. you said it yourself.. it doest fit.. trash it of get fired
September 13th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Ok, but my point is not Hue or his Offense, it’s people bringing up Hue when defending Knapp, I’m just giving the facts.
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Bob,
The reason I bring up Hue is to give historical perspective.
Not to trash Hue, make Knapp seem better or anything like that. It is to show that the offense under Hue basically started off it’s first game production wise, the same as what we saw on Monday. The next week it got better once Gradkowski came in, and by mid season we were firing on all cylinders, a top 5 scoring offense by year end.
Will we reach those peaks? Probably not quite, but this offense WILL IMPROVE from Monday night, just as the 2010 one did, and there is no reason to think that it can’t be just as good as previous years, given a month or so to iron out the kinks.
It worked in 2010, no reason it can’t work in 2012.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:58 am
All you crybabies better be grateful for the ZBS and Greg Knapp,…they are giving you a reason to get up in the morning,..you now have something to live for.
September 13th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Twocents Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:48 am
While Reece could have given Jones a better feed, Jones definitely took his eyes off the ball.
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Have you ever personally taken a lateral on a reverse?
It’s always the guy tossing the laterals responsibility. And if you throw it too high, its very easy to lose the ball.
It apparent that a lot of the semi’s have never played football. Madden ‘13 doesnt count.
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Here we go…..
I played HS football so I know note than you
I played college ball so I know mote than you
I go to the games so I know more
I coach football so I know more than you
September 13th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I posted the highlights of Darren’s big runs in 2010, against the Bronco’s (both games) and the Jaguars.
EVERY SINGLE ONE was on a zone-blocking play. We were a ZBS blocking team in 2010, for the most part.
That’s why Hue came in and talked of building a bully and going back to a more power-scheme in 2011.
The hybrid ZBS thing we ran in 2010 was awesome!!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
More*
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
I stayed at a Holliday Inn Express, so I know more than all of you:)
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Its a rebuild…. a total rebuild… Dmac needs to lose production and fit in? Riiight..
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
The ball touched all ten fingers of Jones and hit him in the facemask.
Was it a good pitch? Not really, certainly could have been better.
If Taiwan caught it, would it have been some type of spectacular play? Not at all.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Hey Riff, I hear what you’re sayin, and I agree about players NEEDING to make plays when the opportunity is there; and it WAS there Monday. I re-watched most of the game again last night and I oddly feel better than I did Tuesday morning. Palmer threw some nice balls; really well placed. Alot of the “Drops” by DHB/Streater were EXCELLENT pass defenses by SD. Both our boys had the ball in their hands, and in the process of going to the ground, the ball was pushed or knocked out by the defender. Outstanding/lucky hand placement by DB’s. All night long our receivers were running around with White and Blue blankets on their backs. No YAC’s…Just catch and crunch. Only a few “Bad” throws by Palmer I thought, the rest was good defense.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I thought the play calling by Knapp was awful. predictable enough to make it easy for sd after the first series.
D looked okay for goal line, holding them to fg’s. but passing D just laid down and they passed up and down the field all night. Not impressed by our DB’s. And virtually no pressure on Rivers.
We stopped the run but made no difference since they could pass all night.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Yes!!! Did you hear? We CAN be as good as 2010!!! Oh happy days are here again!!
September 13th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Facts are he was/is a below avg OC since his teams ranked in the 20’s in scoring the last 4 years of his career as OC, and he was fired from Seattle for the same issue, and he was a QB coach the last 2 seasons for a reason. You choose to ignore all the facts and blame the players for his failures.
Knapp is great. The problem is DHB who had 9 catches, 130 yards, and a TD against SD last year and 3 catches last game. The problem is DMAC who averaged 5 ypc last year and only managed 2ypc last game, but he had 13 catches.
Stop it dude….stop it.
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LOL! Exactly, Hue goes up to DMC and asks him why he struggles. And he says, the plays weren’t designed for me(and who was designing those plays?), and Hue turns him into the best RB in the league.
Yeah, with the playoffs on the line last year, Carson & DHB have their best games as Raiders, but we were done in by the defense of Knapp, errr I mean Breshnahan, that couldn’t force one punt that day. I guess, that was a fault of the players that day too.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:05 am
LMAO Tx.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Its a rebuild…. a total rebuild… Dmac needs to lose production and fit in? Riiight..
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LOL! I guess so! LOL!
September 13th, 2012 at 8:06 am
That Denver game when we scored 50 something points, go to NFL.com and watch the replays (I would post it but not on my home wireless system; takes too long here in rural New Mexico).
CLEARLY, every single offensive play was a ZBS play. There isn’t even any debate about it.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Weaselbit Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I thought the play calling by Knapp was awful. predictable enough to make it easy for sd after the first series.
D looked okay for goal line, holding them to fg’s. but passing D just laid down and they passed up and down the field all night. Not impressed by our DB’s. And virtually no pressure on Rivers.
We stopped the run but made no difference since they could pass all night.
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Thank you, in one paragraph, you eloquated my thoughts on the game much better than I could state.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:06 am
That Denver game when we scored 50 something points, go to NFL.com and watch the replays (I would post it but not on my home wireless system; takes too long here in rural New Mexico).
CLEARLY, every single offensive play was a ZBS play. There isn’t even any debate about it.
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Cool, who was calling their plays that day? I’ll be impressed if Knapp-time can score have that much this weekend in Miami.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Good as Dmac is, if Knapp lines him up as the only back, they know who’s getting the ball. If I’m opposing D coordinator I tell my players to follow him all night. Got to get our other backs involved.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Cool, who was calling their plays that day?
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Someone using a ZBS blocking scheme.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:11 am
No passrushers. No secondary. And a ball control offense that cant run the ball.. beeeeww
September 13th, 2012 at 8:11 am
564.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
The ball touched all ten fingers of Jones and hit him in the facemask.
Was it a good pitch? Not really, certainly could have been better.
If Taiwan caught it, would it have been some type of spectacular play? Not at all.
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I thought the play call for Taiwan Jones was a awful play call. Because the Chargers were backpeddling already…you dont run a reverse right there. Even if he scores its not what you run.
When I saw the play developing I yelled at the TV SET.
You either go straight at the Chargers down the field, or just use a basic runninig play. It looked look like they were putting a drive together then.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:11 am
LOL! Exactly, Hue goes up to DMC and asks him why he struggles. And he says, the plays weren’t designed for me(and who was designing those plays?), and Hue turns him into the best RB in the league.
Yeah, with the playoffs on the line last year, Carson & DHB have their best games as Raiders, but we were done in by the defense of Knapp, errr I mean Breshnahan, that couldn’t force one punt that day. I guess, that was a fault of the players that day too.
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Exactly! Don’t Blame Bresnahan, blame the players.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Keep ignoring where the players screwed the pooch. I’ll keep reminding you of it.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’ll keep reminding you of the facts about Knapp too.
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No. You wont. Because the facts on Knapp shows he’s put us in position to score. The players didnt deliver.
But go on, keep blaming the coaches. The Al Davis way. Its really worked the past 20+ years.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Facts are he was/is a below avg OC since his teams ranked in the 20’s in scoring the last 4 years of his career as OC, and he was fired from Seattle for the same issue, and he was a QB coach the last 2 seasons for a reason. You choose to ignore all the facts and blame the players for his failures.
Knapp is great. The problem is DHB who had 9 catches, 130 yards, and a TD against SD last year and 3 catches last game. The problem is DMAC who averaged 5 ypc last year and only managed 2ypc last game, but he had 13 catches.
Stop it dude….stop it.
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It doesnt matter if it is Knapp or Hue. The players have always found a way to lose games.
Look, I wish we hadnt hired him. Im no ZBS fan. I liked our old offense. But no matter who our OC was, the players would have screwed it up. They did it last year and they did it Monday Night.
Keep ignoring all the player’s mistakes. Meanwhile, keep acting like you know how to review game tape and can decipher where a bad play was called.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:13 am
theghostronin79 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Hey Riff, I hear what you’re sayin, and I agree about players NEEDING to make plays when the opportunity is there; and it WAS there Monday. I re-watched most of the game again last night and I oddly feel better than I did Tuesday morning. Palmer threw some nice balls; really well placed. Alot of the “Drops” by DHB/Streater were EXCELLENT pass defenses by SD. Both our boys had the ball in their hands, and in the process of going to the ground, the ball was pushed or knocked out by the defender. Outstanding/lucky hand placement by DB’s. All night long our receivers were running around with White and Blue blankets on their backs. No YAC’s…Just catch and crunch. Only a few “Bad” throws by Palmer I thought, the rest was good defense.
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Very true bro, things are never as bad as they first appear. I think all the muffed snaps just left a very bitter taste with the Nation, it sure did for me.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Announcers jinxed us by talking about how good we were doing w penalties. Then the dam broke.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:06 am
That Denver game when we scored 50 something points, go to NFL.com and watch the replays (I would post it but not on my home wireless system; takes too long here in rural New Mexico).
CLEARLY, every single offensive play was a ZBS play. There isn’t even any debate about it.
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Of course it also helps to get a pick 6 right after a scoring drive to get the whole team energized. Scheme aside, guys play harder when motivated. That was a game that every swingin Di*k was amped up. The great teams know how to get to “That place” all the time; to harness that intensity.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Don’t blame DA and Hoffman, blame Travis Goethel for not being ready.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Exactly! Don’t Blame Bresnahan, blame the players.
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LMAO, Funny how Tarver has these guys on defense looking legit so quickly, CCOONNNDDOOO!
September 13th, 2012 at 8:15 am
streater was trying to go down. They smartly held him up so they could pry the ball loose. Smart D.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:16 am
I thought the play call for Taiwan Jones was a awful play call. Because the Chargers were backpeddling already…you dont run a reverse right there.
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Maybe it was, hindsight is always 20/20.
But the execution WAS CLEARLY worse than the play-call. A bad play-call on a reverse might lose you 4-8 yards.
Not 25.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Don’t blame DA and Hoffman, blame Travis Goethel for not being ready
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I have to blame coaches there bro, Goethel obviously knew nothing about changing coverages..imo
September 13th, 2012 at 8:19 am
One game doesn’t make a season but. I’m a fan of good football. That’s something we did not do Monday night. Period
September 13th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Don’t blame DA and Hoffman, blame Travis Goethel for not being ready.
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They all should be blamed.
Why are they so mutually exclusive?
Hoffman has to have his guys ready, DA has to have his coaches have their guys ready, and players themselves have to sack up and get ready on their own.
TP gets no practice or reps. If he goes in a game, can he just start throwing passes left-handed and say “Hey, nobody coached me, I got no practice time, I don’t know what to do”?
September 13th, 2012 at 8:20 am
They lived in our backfield. And sd ist that great..
September 13th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Keep ignoring all the player’s mistakes. Meanwhile, keep acting like you know how to review game tape and can decipher where a bad play was called.
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No one here knows more than you. You played college football, so every college player knows more about football than every avg fan. That’s why most of you people sell insurance for a living.
Please tell us more wise one.
LOL
September 13th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:11 am
LOL! Exactly, Hue goes up to DMC and asks him why he struggles. And he says, the plays weren’t designed for me(and who was designing those plays?), and Hue turns him into the best RB in the league.
Yeah, with the playoffs on the line last year, Carson & DHB have their best games as Raiders, but we were done in by the defense of Knapp, errr I mean Breshnahan, that couldn’t force one punt that day. I guess, that was a fault of the players that day too.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly! Don’t Blame Bresnahan, blame the players.
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This is what happens when you guys have blanket myopic viewpoints. Thus, an agenda.
Al Davis’ D scheme/Chucky B was the problem. We see a change in scheme and overnite our D looked better. The proof is in the pudding.
You guys act like Hue was never let down by our execution on O last year either.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Playcalling is what causes you to win or lose games. Knapp may know how to design offense, but he is not a good adjuster, playcaller.
He coaches as if he doesnt want to make a mistake, he doesnt seize the moment, he waits for everything instead of putting defenses on there heels. And with that ZBS it causes McFadden to wait also. He has to much athletic talent to overthink the issue-or-play.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:22 am
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Very true bro, things are never as bad as they first appear. I think all the muffed snaps just left a very bitter taste with the Nation, it sure did for me.
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It absolutely did man. Opening kick off….CLANK……Streater “POW” fumble……Taiwan BONG, clank, clank, dribble, crunch……Goethel…..
All that stuff stuck with me, and it was all I could think about for 2 days. Having watched the game again, I paid more attention to everything else. SD came prepared to win, the executed their game plan better. They isolated and neutralized our biggest weapon. It’s easy to say also that our secondary blew big ballz….But Gates and Floyd had some Silver and Black blankets on their backs too, Rivers just threw some fantastic balls. I mean DAYUM, they were perfect. Gotta give SD more credit, and remove a little hostility from the Raiders. My initial fury was a little misplaced.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Dont blame hoff.. haha
We cant cover kicks
Cant block for a punt… at all
Returns are shlt…
What hasnt he fuçked up?
September 13th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I can’t see blaming coaches for sub par DB’s. It’s their job to live in the film room and know every variation of their own defense. Also their job to be on the sidelines looking at snapshots of the opposing teams formations to be up on formations they haven’t seen before.
How can the coach know a player needs to know something if he doesn’t ask?
Gotta train hard and play smart.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:23 am
LOL Tx. It was a joke.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Booo, Mex´s here too!!
Good morning Gentl´s!
Well, that´s including trolls and Raiders fans.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:25 am
@ Ghostronin
You have a point. Rivers threw some deadly ass passes. Didn’t help things.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Lotta blame to go around. Good point on the defense getting NO PRESSURE on Rivers.
The only reason Rivers didn’t light us up with HUGE numbers was he didn’t have to.
They were constantly on our side of the field..although they did have that one long drive.
Our run d was good and we did well to keep em out of the endzone.
Bottom line is we lost a game we should have won….again.
So far im not impressed by the coaching. I don’t care how u spin it a loss is a loss. The players and the coaches have to take the blame..but it’s hard for me to give any credit to the coaching when we lose like that.
The only thing that matters is what’s on the scoreboard at the end of the game. It’s what everyone ultimately remembers, and what is most important and if you lose to what I think is a not very good SD team at home on MNF with so much on the line? It’s not good.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Rivers and most nfl qbs will always look great with no passrush.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Keep ignoring all the player’s mistakes. Meanwhile, keep acting like you know how to review game tape and can decipher where a bad play was called.
$$$$$$$$$
No one here knows more than you. You played college football, so every college player knows more about football than every avg fan. That’s why most of you people sell insurance for a living.
Please tell us more wise one.
LOL
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Seems Ive struck a nerve.
You can choose to be ignorant. It doesnt matter to me. But anyone that comes in and says that T Jones was at fault for a chitty lateral thrown his way has never played. If youve never played, you dont understand the way the game is coached. And therefore, you are speaking from an ignorant viewpoint.
I dont know why that bothers you so much. A smart person listens to someone more experienced than them. A dumb one feels insecure and lashes out in defiance.
You guys are second guessing coaches as if you have played the game or coached it. And its clear that some of you havent. We’re talking basic stuff here. Its ALWAYS the person lateralling the balls fault. It’s just a rule of thumb. Tossing at a facemask in that situation is the worst thing you can do. But you wouldnt know that if you never played. Im sorry that it rubs you the wrong way that Im reminding you of that.
But you guys are second guessing the coaching moves and plays of players when you have not the slightest credentials to do so. Which is fine, its what we fans do. But when I correct you on something as basic as a botched reverse, its no reason to get so defensive.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Ddwight Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Playcalling is what causes you to win or lose games. Knapp may know how to design offense, but he is not a good adjuster, playcaller.
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Im not the biggest fan of his play calling either. I would have preferred some more urgency. But it wasnt the deciding factor by a long shot.
And no, play calling does not decide games. Again, this is ignorant fan-speak. Honestly, execution is a HUGE part of the game that many of us will never see because we arent in the film room disecting the plays.
90% of the time both the OC and the opposing DC call the near perfect play for the situation. Players make mistakes. It happens. From fatigue, talent or lackthereof, or just plain circumstance.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:31 am
TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:01 am
I stayed at a Holliday Inn Express, so I know more than all of you:)
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September 13th, 2012 at 8:31 am
The lateral was reeces fault but t.jones seems to have stone hands.. maybe lets hand him the ball next time..
September 13th, 2012 at 8:32 am
No one here knows more than you. You played college football, so every college player knows more about football than every avg fan. That’s why most of you people sell insurance for a living.
Please tell us more wise one.
LOL
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Seems Ive struck a nerve.
You can choose to be ignorant. It doesnt matter to me. But anyone that comes in and says that T Jones was at fault for a chitty lateral thrown his way has never played. If youve never played, you dont understand the way the game is coached. And therefore, you are speaking from an ignorant viewpoint.
I dont know why that bothers you so much. A smart person listens to someone more experienced than them. A dumb one feels insecure and lashes out in defiance.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO at your ego!
Please share your experience.
Still LOL
I’m done debating with you.
You are ignorant, and you insult people when they disagree with your ignorance.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:33 am
602.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Keep ignoring all the player’s mistakes. Meanwhile, keep acting like you know how to review game tape and can decipher where a bad play was called.
$$$$$$$$$
No one here knows more than you. You played college football, so every college player knows more about football than every avg fan. That’s why most of you people sell insurance for a living.
Please tell us more wise one.
LOL
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Seems Ive struck a nerve.
You can choose to be ignorant. It doesnt matter to me. But anyone that comes in and says that T Jones was at fault for a chitty lateral thrown his way has never played. If youve never played, you dont understand the way the game is coached. And therefore, you are speaking from an ignorant viewpoint.
I dont know why that bothers you so much. A smart person listens to someone more experienced than them. A dumb one feels insecure and lashes out in defiance.
You guys are second guessing coaches as if you have played the game or coached it. And its clear that some of you havent. We’re talking basic stuff here. Its ALWAYS the person lateralling the balls fault. It’s just a rule of thumb. Tossing at a facemask in that situation is the worst thing you can do. But you wouldnt know that if you never played. Im sorry that it rubs you the wrong way that Im reminding you of that.
But you guys are second guessing the coaching moves and plays of players when you have not the slightest credentials to do so. Which is fine, its what we fans do. But when I correct you on something as basic as a botched reverse, its no reason to get so defensive.
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I thought this was the NFL.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Ive seen playcalling win plenty of games.. lose plenty too. Great playcallers always rise to the top.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:35 am
When u look at the talent in this league there are sooo many good teams and it’s impossible to ever have an “easy” schedule.
My gosh we have Pitt. Den. and Atl. coming up in consecutive weeks. Playoffs? We have to be REALLLLLY good to beat those teams.
I see why the media would pick us to be last in division. I look at these games and ask myself honestly if we can beat them and it’s hard for me to imagine it.
You think at first, “oh we should be 10-6 and make the playoffs this yr. we have an all right team”. And then…you look at the schedule and you say WOW!!!
Just sooo many good teams in this league guys and we have to be that much better to win.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:35 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Lotta blame to go around. Good point on the defense getting NO PRESSURE on Rivers.
The only reason Rivers didn’t light us up with HUGE numbers was he didn’t have to.
They were constantly on our side of the field..although they did have that one long drive.
Our run d was good and we did well to keep em out of the endzone.
Bottom line is we lost a game we should have won….again.
So far im not impressed by the coaching. I don’t care how u spin it a loss is a loss. The players and the coaches have to take the blame..but it’s hard for me to give any credit to the coaching when we lose like that.
The only thing that matters is what’s on the scoreboard at the end of the game. It’s what everyone ultimately remembers, and what is most important and if you lose to what I think is a not very good SD team at home on MNF with so much on the line? It’s not good.
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Yes, they were on our side of the field a lot. But by then, the damage was done anyways. We blew the first half.
Yep, we lost another game we should have won. Hallmark of a losing culture within the locker room. Unfortunately, some of our favorite players on this team just might not have it in them when the lights go on.
I wouldnt agree that a loss is a loss or a win is a win in this case. This is a game we should have dominated if we played up to our potential. But we shot ourselves in the foot, just like we always have.
Look, I loved our talent in 96 & 97 & 99 but they found ways to lose as well. Remember, it took Gruden 2 8-8 seasons to weed out the “losers” from the squad. Heck, he even made Ricky Dudly a pro bowl caliber TE.
We have a losing mindset in the locker room. A decade of crap will do that to any org.
Miami will be the tell-all on if we can turn it around. We win in a blowout and we prove that Monday was a fluke. If not, we’re 0-4. Bottom line.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:36 am
608.Marks hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Ive seen playcalling win plenty of games.. lose plenty too. Great playcallers always rise to the top.
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I couldnt had said it better!
September 13th, 2012 at 8:38 am
We have another KK now and his name is Riff.
LOL
You People are funny.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Good chance for 0-5. At that point id do a fire sale.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Ddwight Says:
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I thought this was the NFL.
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The basic fundamentals of a end-around are the same whether its the NFL or high school.
It’s like getting on a Laker blog and someone arguing proper box-out technique even though theyve never actually played basketball. It’s basic stuff.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Did anyone think we might have been more active on the waiver wire than we have. looks like we are gonna dance with who we brung. Want to see a good bounce back Sunday that is for sure.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Good chance for 0-5. At that point id do a fire sale.
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Whom do you propose we sell? (genuine question).
Ive never really understood the whole “fire sale” thing. Dumping proven talent for unproven draft picks may make financial sense, but from a roster standpoint what does a team ever really gain but posturing?
Do you dump Palmer if he is still got a hight QB rating? Why, what good does that do us? It saves Mark money but that is about it.
Do you dump DMC? Why? Are we really going to find a better RB in the draft? I dont think so.
How does dumping our valuable pieces make us a better team?
I know teams in all sports do this. But its always seemed like a financial decision, not a football one.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Btw, I never discussed the Jones/ Reece reverse.
Still LOL at your ego and ignorance.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
In GREG we trust!!!
….(Until week 4)
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
614.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Ddwight Says:
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I thought this was the NFL.
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The basic fundamentals of a end-around are the same whether its the NFL or high school.
It’s like getting on a Laker blog and someone arguing proper box-out technique even though theyve never actually played basketball. It’s basic stuff.
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Still was not a good Playcall at that time, because you may get away with that in pop-warner, high-school, or college. But this is a totally different stage that allows for less mistakes and better play-calling.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Its a rebuild.. its all about finding star passrushers in the draft.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Did anyone think we might have been more active on the waiver wire than we have. looks like we are gonna dance with who we brung. Want to see a good bounce back Sunday that is for sure.
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It needs to be an EXCELLENT bounce back. A 10 point win is not enough to prove to me that we are going to live up to our lofty potential.
I had really high hopes for this team. But like Trent Dilfer said, this team has a really high ceiling, and also a really low floor.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:48 am
In today’s NFL, you get no pass rush you are dead men.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Ddwight Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
614.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Ddwight Says:
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I thought this was the NFL.
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The basic fundamentals of a end-around are the same whether its the NFL or high school.
It’s like getting on a Laker blog and someone arguing proper box-out technique even though theyve never actually played basketball. It’s basic stuff.
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Still was not a good Playcall at that time, because you may get away with that in pop-warner, high-school, or college. But this is a totally different stage that allows for less mistakes and better play-calling.
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Have you had a chance to re-watch that play?
He had one maybe two guys to make miss and then he was home free to the house. SanDiusky wasnt ready for it.
Hue ran reverses with D17 and Ford in the past and they delivered when it counted.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Did anyone think we might have been more active on the waiver wire than we have. looks like we are gonna dance with who we brung. Want to see a good bounce back Sunday that is for sure.
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Reggie and DA are happy with our wideouts now that Moore is back. The only good TEs out there are Cooley and Shockey; Cooley’s acting like he wants to retire and Shockey wasn’t picked up by ANYONE, which suggests the needle is on E.
As for Andre Carter, maybe his workout didn’t go well. Again, it’s telling that nobody else has signed him either.
The only undisputed, fillable need we had was for a snapper, and Reggie got one yesterday morning.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Its a rebuild.. its all about finding star passrushers in the draft.
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Reggie doesnt think so. Reggie thought that we’d be a real threat in the playoffs.
Monday Nites debacle was not expected.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:50 am
614.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Ddwight Says:
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I thought this was the NFL.
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The basic fundamentals of a end-around are the same whether its the NFL or high school.
It’s like getting on a Laker blog and someone arguing proper box-out technique even though theyve never actually played basketball. It’s basic stuff.
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Only A 10pt. win against a poor Dolphin team will prove what we been saying about KRAPP also. Owe excuse me, I meant Knapp.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:52 am
I like that the NFL plays a Mon and Thurs nite game. It’s kind of like having football all week long.
It sucks to always be watching other teams do well and win and we are always grasping, making excuses, dissecting yet another painful loss…and then we start to have our little “sub teams” who we prefer win over others. We have to.
I’ll be “rooting” for the Bears to beat GB tonight for example, but..I am NOT a Bears “fan” per se. I really only care if the Raiders win and that is always a depressing proposition.
I just wanna be in the thick and competitive…a team that is legit. I don’t NEED Super Bowl necessarily right now, just give me “in the mix’ for playoffs and a team that is respected and fun to watch.
Watching our offense Mon. nite was like watching a team running in quicksand…no urgency…la di da we have all day etc.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Btw, I never discussed the Jones/ Reece reverse.
Still LOL at your ego and ignorance.
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And I wasnt talking to you when I initially made that comment. I was talkin to twocents. You notice how he just listened and didnt argue or take offense?
Ignorance is the people second guessing Knapp when they arent watching the game tape.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:54 am
616. Ok. Dmacs our best player.. we dont want to run the way he likes.. whats the point in keeping him? Also injury prone.
Cp3 doesnt have much value but whatever..
The reason for a firesale is a high pick. You have to be bad to get those picks..
In the nfl you need superstar passrushers and a superstar qb.. everything else is filler.. suck for 2 yrs.. but dont pick a walrus or a 3yr project wr. Or a ot with baby arms….
September 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am
After watching the All-22 tape..
Wiz & Moore were HUGELY missed..
Palmer was excellent..
Playcalling was NOT the issue.
Good Morning RAIDER NATION.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Ddwight Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:50 am
614.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Ddwight Says:
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I thought this was the NFL.
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The basic fundamentals of a end-around are the same whether its the NFL or high school.
It’s like getting on a Laker blog and someone arguing proper box-out technique even though theyve never actually played basketball. It’s basic stuff.
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Only A 10pt. win against a poor Dolphin team will prove what we been saying about KRAPP also. Owe excuse me, I meant Knapp.
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Here’s the blanket agenda type opinion Im talking about.
Basically what your saying is that even if our WR’s continue to drop balls in the end zone, run the wrong routes, fumble the ball multiple times, and Tommy Kelly continues to extend drives, that no matter what, its Knapps fault.
Ok.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I don’t know the “basic fundamentals” of an end-around, and I would agree it wasn’t the greatest pitch either.
But like I said, if Taiwan Jones catches it, it’s not like they were going to stop the game and start a parade for him.
It wasn’t THAT HARD of a catch. I would think it would be harder to catch it around your knee’s or a few feet off to the side, than about 2 feet to high.
It literally hit him between the eyes!!!! You want more reps and carries, you make that happen, IMO, and not turn it into a 25 yard loss.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Raider O Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:23 am
LOL Tx. It was a joke.
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I know bro, LOL
September 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am
625. It was by everyone i heard from… except kool aid drinkers here
September 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am
After watching the All-22 tape..
Wiz & Moore were HUGELY missed..
Palmer was excellent..
Playcalling was NOT the issue.
Good Morning RAIDER NATION.
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Finally some backup from the insanity.
And I thought the offseason was bad.
September 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am
All this hype about Sho-nasty and….nothing. What happened?
September 13th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:54 am
616. Ok. Dmacs our best player.. we dont want to run the way he likes.. whats the point in keeping him? Also injury prone.
Cp3 doesnt have much value but whatever..
The reason for a firesale is a high pick. You have to be bad to get those picks..
In the nfl you need superstar passrushers and a superstar qb.. everything else is filler.. suck for 2 yrs.. but dont pick a walrus or a 3yr project wr. Or a ot with baby arms….
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If we are 0-5, then we are getting a high pick anyways.
But Im still interested in who you think we should dump? DMC is the only name you threw out there. A guy in his prime who happens to be arguably the best in the league at his position and whom has had GREAT games in the ZBS when we had the lineman for the system.
This reminds me of when Corky said we should start benching players that commit dumb penalties but when I asked who we should bench, he wouldnt give me a name.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:00 am
625.Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Its a rebuild.. its all about finding star passrushers in the draft.
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Reggie doesnt think so. Reggie thought that we’d be a real threat in the playoffs.
Monday Nites debacle was not expected.
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Then I wonder how Reggie views that game. Is he pizzed? Does he call DA and ask “what the hell was that”? Is he concerned?
DA did not even say he was disappointed at the presser. He talked about “well… we did some good things” etc. etc.
Then DA praised “Philip” and how great he is blahblahblah and how much respect he has for the Charger organization.
Have we EVER heard an opposing division coach praise the “Raider organization” and how much “respect they have” for us?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:01 am
It was all hype. Thats what happend… we have a bunch of skinny DTs and no real de’s
September 13th, 2012 at 9:01 am
The Big Banana Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am
All this hype about Sho-nasty and….nothing. What happened?
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My guess is rust.
But he’s never been a pash rush guy.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:02 am
I am a results-oriented bottom-line type of guy. The end-around lost 25 stinking yards, so it was a bad play call. It didn’t work. Whether it was a bad lateral, the wrong guy tossing it or the wrong guy catching it, it didn’t work.
It’s like if you drink 10 whiskey sours and barf on your buddies couch. You can say the bartender made them too strong, or put in too much sour, or blame what you ate for dinner.
Bottom line still though, you barfed on your buddies couch.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I don’t know the “basic fundamentals” of an end-around, and I would agree it wasn’t the greatest pitch either.
But like I said, if Taiwan Jones catches it, it’s not like they were going to stop the game and start a parade for him.
It wasn’t THAT HARD of a catch. I would think it would be harder to catch it around your knee’s or a few feet off to the side, than about 2 feet to high.
It literally hit him between the eyes!!!! You want more reps and carries, you make that happen, IMO, and not turn it into a 25 yard loss.
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It was ‘that hard’ of a catch. It was basically a shot right to the facemask. No touch on it whatsoever. Reece’s one job is to make it as easy as possible and he failed.
As a rule of thumb, its the QB’s job to hand the ball off in a good exchange to the RB and its always the guy tossing the laterals job to make it a soft lateral. I guarantee that in practice, Reece was throwing it at his facemask.
Go re-watch the tape. T Jones was making yards on that play at the very least. At best it had a serious shot at going the distance. It was a great play call.
When Norv called the deep pass that beat Bartell, Rivers and the WR made GREAT plays. When Knapp called a well timed reverse, we couldnt even get the toss right.
Its that simple.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Reece was *NOT throwing at his facemask.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:05 am
DA and the “kinder, gentler” Raiders.
Is he gonna apologize for how “bad we’ve been” in the past?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Maybe that can be the name for our 2012 offense.
First we had the Bed ‘N Breakfast, now we have the barf on your buddies couch offense.
I am spoon-feeding you Knapp haters.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:05 am
A barf analogy is always good in the Raider blog.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Questions That Will Be Answered Sunday Evening:
1) Can Knapp adjust his playcalling and open it up more?
2) Was our seeming defensive improvement legit?
3) Was Shaughnessy’s suckitude the result of him taking his opponent too lightly, or is he just not very good?
4) Lee looked good in relief. Can he keep it up?
5) Can Moore pick up where he left off last season?
6) Will our renewed emphasis on penalty reduction continue?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Actually i didnt mention trading dmac till you brought up his name..
But if we’re just gonna toss this season down the drain with the last 11 we might as well start over is my point.. who goes? Hmm our starting defensive line? Our safties? Rbs… oline.. whatever. Get picks.. get a franchise qb and an allpro passrusher. Hopefully a de
September 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
ignorance is blaming the players, and creating excuses for coordinators who were fired and demoted for the issue your are trying to debate.
It’s a fact that Knapp had issues with scoring.
It wasn’t Bresnahan’s fault. It’s not DA and Hoffman’s fault, it Travis’ based on your logic (using the term loosely) mr I know more than you people because I played college football.
But WTF do we know, we didn’t play college football and we don’t get paid to watch game tape.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Hell a barf analogy is good anywhere for that matter!! LMAO
September 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Riff,
Do you think Taiwan is kicking himself for not cathing it?
Or saying, what I can do, it was a crappy toss?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Wasn’t there a play in the early days of football called the “quick kick”, where you surprised your opponent by punting on third down? I bet DMAC could pull it off. Bring back the quick kick!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:59 am
This reminds me of when Corky said we should start benching players that commit dumb penalties but when I asked who we should bench, he wouldnt give me a name.
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He wouldn’t give you a name because Cork is a beat reporter who has to work with both the players and coaches. His job depends on him being able to interview them. If they get mad and start freezing him out because he insulted them, he’ll be out looking for work within the month.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Wait…Are there different plays that magically make WRs get open?
If so then good, but if not then we need to execute better in run blocking or we are gonna see the same thing over & over.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Randall Cunningham once quick-kicked one like 80 yards.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Its not like im saying trade dwight howard.. im saying trade a bunch of junk.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:11 am
“We have a lot of respect for the Chargers and their organization”.
“Philip is a great quarterback”
-Dennis Allen after the loss Mon Nite.
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Why does he feel it necessary to kiss up to the Chargers? I guess i’m not used to that kind of talk from my coach in regard to bitter division rivals.
Does he need the Charger org. to like him?
If so…why?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Who would have thought a September 14th series between the A’s and Orioles would have the whole baseball world watching?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Who would have thought a September 14th series between the A’s and Orioles would have the whole baseball world watching?
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Not 1 person in the whole world.
THAT’s why MLB is awesome.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I said it tuesday but fresno st quick kicked all day saterday… hoffs a dummy.. knapps a dummy. And da is a rookie and looked like one monday.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Why should anyone except this to be a rebuild year. Give San Deigo some credit. Their o-line stepped it up. Tho we didnt get sacks or force turnovers ,our D was great. We have Mcfadden and speed on the outside. Yeah there needs to be some more peice added but still we have rising stars on both Offense and Defense.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:16 am
http://tonyandjessicabergstrom.blogspot.com/
Scroll to the bottom of the page. Mrs. Bergstrom decided to bedazzle her…HANDGUN. Words fail me.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Riff,
Do you think Taiwan is kicking himself for not cathing it?
Or saying, what I can do, it was a crappy toss?
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I dont know what T Jones is thinking. Im sure he’s pretty bummed on himself all the way around. He blew the opening kickoff. Thats on him. He was involved in a fumble that the coaches didnt have the luxury of instant replay at the time so they pretty much wrote him out of the rest of the gameplan. At the time, as far as the coaches were concerned, it was TJones that was the problem (two fumbles in two plays). After reviewing the tape, they had to have saw otherwise (at least on the reverse).
I would guess that he’s bummed for not catching it. As a receiver I always felt that if I could get my fingers within 6 inches of the ball, I could have done something different to have caught it. Even though I knew in the back of my mind that it was always the QB’s responsibility to make the right throw, I felt that I could always do more. That wasnt my responsibility to do that, that was just the way I approached it. A receiver that can bail out his QB will get more balls thrown his way.
But if a QB tried to get mad at me for a poorly thrown ball, you better believe I didnt take no crap and I argued back. That was a VERY difficult toss to catch. If it was me, I’d be pretty frustrated at Reece for pretty much putting me in a very difficult situation that made me look really bad.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:17 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:11 am
“We have a lot of respect for the Chargers and their organization”.
“Philip is a great quarterback”
-Dennis Allen after the loss Mon Nite.
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Why does he feel it necessary to kiss up to the Chargers? I guess i’m not used to that kind of talk from my coach in regard to bitter division rivals.
Does he need the Charger org. to like him?
If so…why?
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Simple. He knows we play them again, and is scrupulously avoiding any bulletin-board quotes.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:20 am
RaiderDuck Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:59 am
This reminds me of when Corky said we should start benching players that commit dumb penalties but when I asked who we should bench, he wouldnt give me a name.
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He wouldn’t give you a name because Cork is a beat reporter who has to work with both the players and coaches. His job depends on him being able to interview them. If they get mad and start freezing him out because he insulted them, he’ll be out looking for work within the month.
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No, he didnt answer because he couldnt. What he was suggesting was ridiculous at the time. We were super banged up and had nearly nobody on the bench. And he wanted someone benched.
I kept listing players and the fact that we had no depth to afford to bench anyone.
He just kept dodging the question. It was during a live game chat. There was a lot worse being said about certain players at the time. We were in one of our patented melt downs in the 4th quarter.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Umm the real problem going forward is Pat Lee is our starting CB now…. That is not good. Not good at all.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:24 am
JimmyBall12’s Grades week1:
QB: Carson took what he was given, did anyone else notice the pocket being pushed in his face every single play?? When he did get protection he was hitting Streater/dhb on them deep curls/comebacks!! Wiz is needed!!
RB: With more success in the Passing game to the WR/TE..DMAC should have more openings (even though i truly believe the ZBS is not good for him), still we gotta get him the ball(If Miami is smart, they will do the same thing SD did to us, get a good rush which they have the ability to do, and play back on our underachieving WR’s! They will be playing a similar system to Houstons, except ours hasn’t evolved yet, it’s still young..
DEFENSE: I forget who hated on SHonasty up there^, he held the edge down in the running game VERY WELL, I’ll take that over pass rush!! If we allow 24 yds rushing and lose, NOBODY on DEFENSE IS TO BLAME!! NORV TURNER called a very good game, dinked and dunked us to death, rendering our pass rush obsolete..TURNER can be a menace at times, he called a hell of a game.
OVERALL: System doesn’t quite fit us….yet (hoping we adapt)..TO ALL KNAPP HATERS (and i’m half of one)..This system was put in place to make our players SMART and CLUTCH!! BUT…BUT…Right now it doesnt fit, one PENALTY, one DROPPED BALL, ONE FUMBLE, ONE SACK kills the drive!! Knapp needs to dial some good stuff up against MIAMI, because to tell you the truth, all this talk about a guaranteed win in MIAMI is dumb..Hopefully our DEFENSE plays GOOD again, because they will probably end up winning us the game, and hopefully TANNEHILL helps us out too..BCUZ Miami’s pass rush is NO JOKE!! It’s gona be a close game!! RAIDER NATION UNITE!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I like Jessica Bergstrom.
They probably get along well with Veldheer, who went to an extreme right-wing college.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Marks Hair Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Its not like im saying trade dwight howard.. im saying trade a bunch of junk.
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Im not saying you are saying trade DMC. But that is the only guy of value and I dont see how it would make us better (Orlando is case in point).
What “junk” could we trade that would get us any value in the draft?
Your throwing out hypotheticals but not really getting specific with the plan. Im not saying what youre suggesting is outright bad, I just want to hear the substance behind it. I just dont see how trading away our good players will make us better?
Nobody on our D line is going to net us a top 10 pick or even 1-3rd round pick. And if they were worth that, then why trade them?
If youre talking about tanking the season so that we can move up in the draft, ok. But if we’re 0-5 then we are well on our way to tanking anyways.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Anyone know what the line is for the game on Sunday?
Has a Raiders +1.5 feel to it.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Umm the real problem going forward is Pat Lee is our starting CB now…. That is not good. Not good at all.
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No.
Its the Run Blocking & Pass Rush.
Pat Lee is FAR from a problem.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Pat Lee played an excellent game in Bartell’s place. Not sure how long that will hold up, but he stepped up on Monday night.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Umm the real problem going forward is Pat Lee is our starting CB now…. That is not good. Not good at all.
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Did we ever have much talent at the CB position to begin with? Our new scheme is hiding our deficiencies there. Pat Lee or DVD, it makes no difference. Stellar Safety play is a must no matter what.
Moving Huff over to CB and putting Gio or MM34 in the game more is looking like the route that might have made more sense. Score another point for the Hue-lovers.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Anyone know what the line is for the game on Sunday?
Has a Raiders +1.5 feel to it.
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I dunno. I stopped betting on the Raiders years ago. They were the only team I ever continually lost money on.
In fact, I havent won a Raiders bet in well over 10 years. I am pretty much cursed and of the opinion that when I bet on them, we lose. So I stopped betting on them a long time ago.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Did MM34 play at all defensively?
I didn’t see him out there.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
And by watching the offense..i do believe Saunders already has some things installed..KNAPP NEEDS TO SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND USE SOME POWER RUNNING!! STOP WASTING DMAC!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I like Jessica Bergstrom.
They probably get along well with Veldheer, who went to an extreme right-wing college.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We will see. When Lee came in they did not need to pass much. He may do fine vs the rookie this week but, Peyton/brees/rivers will tear him apart.
I do agree the lack of a pass rush is a huge issue and the lack of a pass rush will not help our already terrible CBs out in coverage.
Not worried about the ZBS one bit
September 13th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Did MM34 play at all defensively?
I didn’t see him out there.
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0 defensive snaps.
Special Teams, yes.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We will see. When Lee came in they did not need to pass much. He may do fine vs the rookie this week but, Peyton/brees/rivers will tear him apart.
I do agree the lack of a pass rush is a huge issue and the lack of a pass rush will not help our already terrible CBs out in coverage.
Not worried about the ZBS one bit
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Our CB’s have yet to play a “terrible” game, what do you base that on, their names?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Did MM34 play at all defensively?
I didn’t see him out there.
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Not once on D. Which I dont understand at all. He does so well against Gates. And Gates was killing us.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We will see. When Lee came in they did not need to pass much. He may do fine vs the rookie this week but, Peyton/brees/rivers will tear him apart.
I do agree the lack of a pass rush is a huge issue and the lack of a pass rush will not help our already terrible CBs out in coverage.
Not worried about the ZBS one bit<<<<<<
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Why not? DMAC doesnt fit it, hes a north and south guy!!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:37 am
0 defensive snaps.
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LOL
Kimbo Mitchell. All youtube clips and tough talk, but gets floored by the dude with pink hair.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:37 am
The last time I won a Raiders bet I was either in 8th grade or a freshman in high school. $5. They were playing against New England when Bledsoe was real young. We won 24-17 or something like that. Somewhere around ‘95.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:38 am
He does so well against Gates.
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Didn’t he get torched for a TD in the last week of the season against him?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:42 am
636.The Big Banana Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am
All this hype about Sho-nasty and….nothing. What happened?
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Said it before, he was my #1 player disappointment by fair. We always hear from Cork, Jerry et al that he’s primed for a huge breakout. He’s teased it before. Well this was the opportunity–Monday night, opening week, UDFA rookie–and all he got was one gift-wrapped sack when Rivers stepped up right into his arms. If I’m not mistaken, the Chargers eventually stopped giving the kid TE help he was handingly Shaughnessy so easily
September 13th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We will see. When Lee came in they did not need to pass much. He may do fine vs the rookie this week but, Peyton/brees/rivers will tear him apart.
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The Chargers abandoned the run, Lee was very good in relief of Bartell.
Not sure which game you watched.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:43 am
TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We will see. When Lee came in they did not need to pass much. He may do fine vs the rookie this week but, Peyton/brees/rivers will tear him apart.
I do agree the lack of a pass rush is a huge issue and the lack of a pass rush will not help our already terrible CBs out in coverage.
Not worried about the ZBS one bit
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Our CB’s have yet to play a “terrible” game, what do you base that on, their names?
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Correct, they have yet to start Pat Lee though. No reason to sugar coat it, we have worst starting CB tandem in the NFL. Look even with Bartell they are underwhelming. The Raiders have played one game… Just because they did get burnt in preseason ( which means nothing) does not mean they are good or quality for that matter.
If the Raiders pass rush looks like they did this past week, they will get exposed… And quick
September 13th, 2012 at 9:46 am
661.M.Shorter Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Why should anyone except this to be a rebuild year. Give San Deigo some credit. Their o-line stepped it up. Tho we didnt get sacks or force turnovers ,our D was great. We have Mcfadden and speed on the outside. Yeah there needs to be some more peice added but still we have rising stars on both Offense and Defense.
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I don’t our D was “great”. Better than that pathetic D from last yr? Ok. I’ll buy that.
The fact we hung in there and didn’t allow alot of td’s in the red zone is a positive.
Interesting that Seymour disappeared after that first play. Just like his first yr. in that first mon night game against SD. He had two sacks and then…..
September 13th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Oakland 18 Miami 12
September 13th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:43 am
TxRaider210 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Dmac2008 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We will see. When Lee came in they did not need to pass much. He may do fine vs the rookie this week but, Peyton/brees/rivers will tear him apart.
I do agree the lack of a pass rush is a huge issue and the lack of a pass rush will not help our already terrible CBs out in coverage.
Not worried about the ZBS one bit
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Our CB’s have yet to play a “terrible” game, what do you base that on, their names?
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Correct, they have yet to start Pat Lee though. No reason to sugar coat it, we have worst starting CB tandem in the NFL. Look even with Bartell they are underwhelming. The Raiders have played one game… Just because they did get burnt in preseason ( which means nothing) does not mean they are good or quality for that matter.
If the Raiders pass rush looks like they did this past week, they will get exposed… And quick
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Pat Lee isn’t some rook who doesn’t know how to play. Remember at the bad talk about Spencer when he came to us? As long as they fit Tarver’s scheme, they will win more battles than they lose.imo Tannehill shouldn’t be exposing anyone man, it will be the other way around.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:49 am
all*
September 13th, 2012 at 9:49 am
690.jimmyball12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Oakland 18 Miami 12
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10 combined FGs? I can believe that actually
I give both teams a bit more credit: Raiders 20 – Dolphins 16
September 13th, 2012 at 9:50 am
I think Pat Lee can be just as good as an aging, injury-riddled Bartell.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:50 am
I dont get why Palmer isnt trusting DHB. DHB had some great catches with his hands in the preseason and vs. the Chargers.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Our LB’s can contain Tannehill if he runs, he will throw a handfull of stinkers, our guys need to catch them!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Raiders 20
Dolphins 16
September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.
Tampa? Look what they did last wk.
Just pick a division and look at each team and ask if u can’t see us losing that game.
We can’t chalk this season up to being a “brutal schedule” and think it will ever get easier.
It is ALWAYS gonna be brutal. We have to step it up and get better…alot better.
Right now it’s hard for me to envision us beating ANYBODY in the next 4 weeks.
Miami? With our track record there?
Last time we beat ‘em was Daunte Culpepper in his revenge game.
Someday i’ll wake up from this nightmare…where we always find some new and inventive way to choke away a football game.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:53 am
You know what wouldn’t surprise me a bit?
Raiders go into Miami and just stomp them. Like 45-6. Just an ungodly beating. Then they get their azzes handed to them by the Steelers like 34-13. Then they pull off huge upset over Denver, say, 24-23.
In other words, the same Jekyll & Hyde team of the past 2 seasons.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
20-16 sounds good, i hope we get a pair of pic 6’s and get 30!!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.
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Cleveland.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
It doesn’t figure to be an aesthetically pleasing three hours.
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The above comment was from NFL.com’s breakdown of the upcoming Mia/Oak game. OUCH!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
All right QE3 is now upon us.
Time for another sugar-high
WeeeeEEEEEEeeeeEEEEEeeee!!!!!!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Giving the opponents the ball inside your own 38 yard line 5 times and not allowing a TD is great defense.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Bet one of our D-Lineman get an INT this week…
September 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
701.SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.
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Cleveland.
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Do you think the Eagles are really bad?
September 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Raiders 34 Miami 3
It’s going to be ugly folks.
September 13th, 2012 at 9:59 am
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Do you think the Eagles are really bad?
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Terribly overrated at least.
Vick is always what Palmer is at his worst these days.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.
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That is because you live in negativity.We could win a game 28-3 and you’d be here complaining we didn’t score every time we had the ball and we gave up 3 points.Try looking at the positive once in a while.It will help brighten your day.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I have no PERSONAL vendetta against Greg Knapp. He may have helped an old lady cross the street yesterday. He may bake pies for elderly people in the hospital. My gripe with him is purely PROFESSIONAL!
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
Make Al Saunders the primary play caller and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach to help Terrelle Pryor develop!!
This is the most logical thing to do to get optimum performance from our players, preserve team continuity, and still have a chance to win the division!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:01 am
For some reason that Browns-Eagles game was just so awful that it kept my attention and I watched a fair amount of it.
Weeden and Vick each threw 4 picks, and they each easilty could have had 6 each.
It was that bad.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Giving the opponents the ball inside your own 38 yard line 5 times and not allowing a TD is great defense.
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Yep.
But we’ve seen this before, even with Al’s archaic D. There were years recently where our D held us in games and all we needed to do was average 20 pts or so a game and we would have made the playoffs.
Then there was last year where the D wouldnt have stopped Hawaii University in the 4th qtr.
It’s always one or the other.
The few times both sides of the ball show up and we play to our potential and we put up 59 pts against the Donkeys.
I expect nothing less than a blowout win against Miami. If not, our season is F’d. No way around it. We got the talent. Its time to start delivering.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:02 am
It just seems that karma owes us a visit. We have suffered so damn much as Raider fans over the last 9 yrs. that dangit…we deserve something good to come to us, but it always ends up being the same old bullschytt.
Last time I was excited…really excited about the Raiders was when it was announced we picked up Palmer.
I guess I had a higher opinion of him than anyone else. The media had always talked about him as if he was an “elite” QB and we don’t get “elite” QB’s…ever. Gannon became one while with us but we never in the past made an “elite” QB announcement…NEVER.
Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.
Bringing on Abner Schittstuffer from Austin Peay to the practice squad is not doin it for me.
This is supposed to be fun entertainment and an enjoyable experience for us…..it turns out to be anything but with this org.
Can’t we have some good f’ing news around here for once?
September 13th, 2012 at 10:03 am
707.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Raiders 34 Miami 3
It’s going to be ugly folks.
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I wish I had your confidence.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m confident the D can handle their offense but Miami’s defense is no joke. My 20-16 prediction might double the number of total points scored. A 9-6 Raiders victory wouldn’t surprise me.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:03 am
711.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:01 am
For some reason that Browns-Eagles game was just so awful that it kept my attention and I watched a fair amount of it.
Weeden and Vick each threw 4 picks, and they each easilty could have had 6 each.
It was that bad.
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What is wrong with Vick? Kinda thinking they spent all this money but their O-Line is crap? Did he get a lot of time to throw.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:05 am
It just seems that karma owes us a visit. We have suffered so damn much as Raider fans over the last 9 yrs. that dangit…we deserve something good to come to us,
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It has.
Slo-Mania
September 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
So Armchair,do you believe Knapp should go?Oh,thats right you’ve been here repeating how much you like him the last 3 days.He isn’t going anywhere-get over it.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I think what i’ll do is do u guys a favor and stop giving a schytt about this team. The moment I do, it will set up some invisible attractor field in the cosmos that will finally bring some good news and happy times to the Raider Nation.
I’ll try and do that for you guys.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:07 am
ArmChair GM Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I have no PERSONAL vendetta against Greg Knapp. He may have helped an old lady cross the street yesterday. He may bake pies for elderly people in the hospital. My gripe with him is purely PROFESSIONAL!
The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.
The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!
Make Al Saunders the primary play caller and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach to help Terrelle Pryor develop!!
This is the most logical thing to do to get optimum performance from our players, preserve team continuity, and still have a chance to win the division!!!
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I agree with all of this.
But we got what we got. And Knapp has done a good job so far. So lets lay off of him and put the blame where it belongs.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am
What is wrong with Vick?
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The way the Browns played him, they didn’t even bother worrying about the play action, and everytime Reid called some PA bootleg type thing, he had a DE in his face.
And he just isn’t as athletic as he once was, he can’t quite turn the corner everytime.
And he clearly got frustrated as the game went along. His 2nd to last pass of the game, was thrown right to a LB (who droppped it) into double coverage.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I don’t our D was “great”. Better than that pathetic D from last yr? Ok. I’ll buy that.
The fact we hung in there and didn’t allow alot of td’s in the red zone is a positive.
Interesting that Seymour disappeared after that first play. Just like his first yr. in that first mon night game against SD. He had two sacks and then…..
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True and we were excellent on the run. Also Rivers only passed for 231 yards. I dont wanna say Seymour is overrated but he def. hasnt been great for Oakland. He always makes one great play. Then disappears for the rest of the game.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Someday i’ll wake up from this nightmare…where we always find some new and inventive way to choke away a football game.
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I thought I had seen it all until Mondays game. Oh well, the positives are the defense played well, the offense has the same talent as last year so they have to get better, right?
September 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am
What is wrong with Vick?
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He sucks.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Underrated battle to watch on Sunday: Randy Starks vs. Mike Brisiel. Starks had 2 sacks of Matt Schaub last Sunday & Brisiel hasn’t played up to par.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:09 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.
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“Far from elite”?
He showed us flashes last year.
And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.
A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:10 am
And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.
A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.
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Even Mistic of all people was in here praising Palmer. CP3 is the least of this team’s problems.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:12 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I think what i’ll do is do u guys a favor and stop giving a schytt about this team. The moment I do, it will set up some invisible attractor field in the cosmos that will finally bring some good news and happy times to the Raider Nation.
I’ll try and do that for you guys.
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Try it. It may work. Cause lord knows my aversion from betting on the team hasnt netted us any results.
I’d chop off a toe and two fingers in a voodoo ritual if it meant that we’d win a damn SuperBowl. Im serious.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:12 am
717.lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
So Armchair,do you believe Knapp should go?Oh,thats right you’ve been here repeating how much you like him the last 3 days.He isn’t going anywhere-get over it.
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True, like YA said, a good organization does not fire a OC after one game. But I hate the excuse that it is not the coaches fault, that the players are not executing the plays. If players are not executing the plays, than it is on the coach to correct that.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Miami’s front 7 in general is pretty good. Some numbers from last week:
Randy Starks – 2 sacks, 2 TFL, 2 QB hurries
Cameron Wake – 1 TFL, 3 QB hurries
Paul Soliai – 2 TFL
Koa Misi and Karlos Dansby each had a TFL and combined for 20 tackles.
Seriously, don’t sleep on this Dolphins defense.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:14 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:10 am
And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.
A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.
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Even Mistic of all people was in here praising Palmer. CP3 is the least of this team’s problems.
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Yeah, I caught that and about fell out of my chair.
Anyone that was surprised by Palmers high level of play just hasnt been paying attention.
He’s primed to have a ELITE year and lead us as deep as the rest of the team is willing to go. The other guys need to show up. So far on offense, only DMC seems to want it as bad.
I want to see some spark. Some life in the body language of the rest of the offense. Say what you will about Jacoby but he is a fighter. It’s time everyone starts playing with some urgency.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Raiders 34 Miami 3
It’s going to be ugly folks.
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Is that a fresh batch of koolaid I see in our punch bowl? Man, I hope you’re right. This would be just what the dr ordered.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:17 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.
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“Far from elite”?
He showed us flashes last year.
And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.
A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.
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Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo…
September 13th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo
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After 1 game RG3 is an elite QB?
Don’t get me wrong, if offered the choice I’d take RG3 BUT only because he can anchor a team for 10 years while Palmer is probably done in 2 or 3.
But RG3 decidedly does not belong in the company of Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rothelisberger. Neither does Cam Newton for that matter.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Yeah I have to admit I was harsh on Palmer. He was making ELITE qb throws on MNF. The first throw to Hagan. Ball was thrown before Hagan and defender even turned to look for it, Hagan turned around and caught it for the first down. Perfect timing. The defender couldnt even make a play on the ball. Thats what ELITE level QBs do.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
R8ER MIKE Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:34 am
today is a GOOD DAY !!!
49 years ago the O.D.B. was born !!!!
Happy Birthday, bro!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Holy crap! RGIII is already better than Carson Palmer? Maybe in Fantasy Football but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. He’s only played 60 minutes in the NFL. With that kind of thinking, Matt Flynn came into the season grading out better than Aaron Rodgers based on his week 17 performance last year. Simma down, simma down.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:23 am
We kept Saunders and gave him an extension for a reason.
Cable aka Fat Monkey took over play calling, and Knapp was fired from Seattle for the same issue, which is scoring. He had the same issue in ATL too. You can’t blame the talent/ players when other creative OCs do better like Mia and the wildcat offense and Denver/ Tebow last year.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:23 am
DA’s Defense in DEN beat up the Fins last year..Against us Davone Bess was matched up against Curry on a crossing route for a TD!!!! Thank goodness we don’t run the BreZ D anymore..I can guarantee you right now Knapp is going to have a very good scripted first drive for 7!! If it wasn’t for streater’s fumble against SD..the game could have been VERY different! The opening drive should be interesting..Knapp knows what we think..screens to T.Jones/M.Reece PLEASE!!!!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@SilverNBlackPA
Sorry, totally agree with your statement. I was more thinking along the lines if you could have RGIII right now or Palmer as your starting QB in our offense? I am happy with Palmer, right now, but if the offer was on the table straight up…
September 13th, 2012 at 10:25 am
I want to see some spark. Some life in the body language of the rest of the offense. Say what you will about Jacoby but he is a fighter. It’s time everyone starts playing with some urgency.
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I think DHB came to the party too. You see him fighting for yards. Monday he caught a quick hitch and took a shot, bounced off, jitterbugged, pushed a 2nd defender off and immediately broght down by the 3rd. He’s been requiring 2 or more guys to bring him down lately. Plus the sideline catches, leaping above defenders and using his hands….catches that aren’t typical for DHB.
To me, at least, it looks like he wants it bad too.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:25 am
739.DutchRaider77 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@SilverNBlackPA
Sorry, totally agree with your statement. I was more thinking along the lines if you could have RGIII right now or Palmer as your starting QB in our offense? I am happy with Palmer, right now, but if the offer was on the table straight up…
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Ah okay, that makes much more sense now!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Execution of the Offense and Special teams Gaffs cost us the Win on Monday. thought the Offense was going pretty good, but too many errors to overcome…
2 fumbles + 3 BOTHCED Punts that lost yards are basically 5 turn Overs without creating 1 takeaway.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Holy crap! RGIII is already better than Carson Palmer?
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Yeah sorry, I was just going off that crazy old man named John Madden’s opinion of RGIII. I will not make that mistake again…Raider on
September 13th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Hey putting RGIII in the top 10 isn’t TOO bad.
Mistic has already declared him the best player Shanahan has every coached and the best Redskin player EVER.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
SD is a good team, and we almost won..Im shaking off the loss as we speak..lol..That jay i just ripped helped out too..but think about it!! We really didnt play that bad!! Gruden lost 28-8 against KC his first game..lol..Desmond howard fumbled 2 KO’s!! Special teams..SMH..We’ll get em sunday fellas..time for revenge!!!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I have no PERSONAL vendetta against Greg Knapp…
We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!
Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!
Make Al Saunders the primary play caller and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach to help Terrelle Pryor develop!!
This is the most logical thing to do to get optimum performance from our players, preserve team continuity, and still have a chance to win the division!!!
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It is obvious that some of you guys have poor reading comprehension.
How did you read and comprehend what I wrote, and still conclude that I just want Greg Knapp FIRED after one week?!?!?
Where does it say that in my words? I said REASSIGNED! Was Al saunders FIRED? No he was REASSIGNED!!!
And you guys are the ones talking about AGENDAS???
September 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo…
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Palmer is Elite are Qbs not allowed to have a couple bad seasons? Btw Newton didnt look Elite on Sunday. Neither did Big Ben
September 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
744.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Hey putting RGIII in the top 10 isn’t TOO bad.
Mistic has already declared him the best player Shanahan has every coached and the best Redskin player EVER.
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Hahahhahahahahahaha. Oh man. Neverending source of comedy that guy.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:31 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:17 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.
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“Far from elite”?
He showed us flashes last year.
And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.
A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.
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Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo…
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Elite is performing of course. But its also making throws that only a few in the league can, Brady Brees and a few others make some throws that not every QB can make. Palmer is one of those guys that when he’s “on”, he’s really on.
I dont grade based on top 5, 10 20 or whatever. I think it is much better to grade on a letter tier system.
Here’s my take…
The “A’s” (elites)
Brady
Manning
Brees
Eli
Rogers
The “B’s” (not average but not elite either. youre a lucky team if you at least got a B at QB. Some have a good team behind them, others a good scheme)
Rivers (B+, he aint Sanchez but he aint Brady either)
Cutler (B+)
Rothlisberger (B+)
Stafford (B+)
Romo (the B+’s need their own category to be honest)
Vick (his style of play and body type will never survive a full season)
Sanchez
Flacco
Ryan
Dalton (he’ll be at this level soon)
Palmer (has the potential to play at a A level)
Shaub
Cassel (we’ve seen him play at a very high level under the right system)
Smith
Bradford
The “C’s” (rookies or legitimate starters, but not going to “win you games”)
Cam (sky is the limit)
Freeman
RG3 (will be a B by seasons end but like Vick, his style of play will be his undoing)
Fitzpatrick
Luck (will be a B by seasons end and has the potential to be a A one day)
Locker
Ponder
Wilson (again, I love what I see from this kid but he is going to go out on a stretcher at some point)
The “Ds” (not there yet or just plain bad)
Tannenhill
Weeden
Gabbert (jury is still out on this one)
Skelton
September 13th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Riff.. im saying a 1-4 team isnt going anywhere… i dont want to get better i want to get worse… top pick by WL record plus any other picks we can get in trade.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:34 am
this may be a very long boring season if the O doesn’t get right and our Special Teams continues to STINK!
Why can’t we EVER get a consistent return game going?
September 13th, 2012 at 10:35 am
When Palmer made that throw to Streater for the 1st down from the opposite hash in tight coverage (left to right)..I was very relieved..I’m happy with our QB situation..
September 13th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Fired,reassigned-makes no difference,you want him gone as OC and it isn’t going to happen-at least not after the 1st couple of weeks.You are acting like KK repeating the same thing over and over and over and………….
September 13th, 2012 at 10:35 am
I know all the blame on Knapp, but I liked the first drive, Streater trying to get YAC´s was not a good idea, there were 4 or 5 chargers around.
All the motions before the snap were getting confused the SD Defense, and the Raiders Offense look smart for the first time since Gannon.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
How IRONIC is it that this team apparently stresses that players can play multiple positions, yet we NEVER got a 2nd long snapper some work in training camp?
I know Condo has had a long run w/out missing time, but to not have ANYONE ready was an Epic Failure by this Coaching Staff…
I was ready to watch DA go Woodie Hayes on the ST Coach, those 3, 3 GAFFED PUNTS COST US DEARLY!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Good Post RaiderRiff!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
YOu can see Streater was attempting to cover up the ball as well, the kid has presence.
He is going to learn that protecting the ball is one of the hardest things to do in this league, so just say screw it and go down.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
744.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Hey putting RGIII in the top 10 isn’t TOO bad.
Mistic has already declared him the best player Shanahan has every coached and the best Redskin player EVER.
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Hahahhahahahahahaha. Oh man. Neverending source of comedy that guy.
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Oh, I still remember when Troy Smith and Soup were taking the league by storm and redefining the QB position. Can you say premature?
September 13th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Remember who the backup long snapper was for a couple of years? Zack Miller…
September 13th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Felt bad for Goethel to get fed to the fire on MNF…
Guy hadn’t Long Snapped since High School, NEVER got a rep in camp and didn’t even play a game last year due to injury, and here you go…
the 2nd snap was fine, but Burris blocked his own guy and opened a gap for the rusher to block it…
We’re lucky Shane didn’t get injured in that freakin’ mess.
Way to Coach ‘em up guys!
September 13th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I don’t know the “basic fundamentals” of an end-around, and I would agree it wasn’t the greatest pitch either.
But like I said, if Taiwan Jones catches it, it’s not like they were going to stop the game and start a parade for him.
It wasn’t THAT HARD of a catch. I would think it would be harder to catch it around your knee’s or a few feet off to the side, than about 2 feet to high.
It literally hit him between the eyes!!!! You want more reps and carries, you make that happen, IMO, and not turn it into a 25 yard loss.
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It was ‘that hard’ of a catch. It was basically a shot right to the facemask. No touch on it whatsoever. Reece’s one job is to make it as easy as possible and he failed.
As a rule of thumb, its the QB’s job to hand the ball off in a good exchange to the RB and its always the guy tossing the laterals job to make it a soft lateral. I guarantee that in practice, Reece was throwing it at his facemask.
Go re-watch the tape. T Jones was making yards on that play at the very least. At best it had a serious shot at going the distance. It was a great play call.
When Norv called the deep pass that beat Bartell, Rivers and the WR made GREAT plays. When Knapp called a well timed reverse, we couldnt even get the toss right.
Its that simple.
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Agree 1000% I’m a Knapp supporter and was pissed we let him leave for Seattle the 1st time we had him. The ZBS works and right now, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt with his playcalling because I think he’s shorthanded WR-wise, kind of like we’ve been for the last 5 years or so.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:53 am
According to the Contra Costa Times, Denarius Moore (hamstring) “looks to be a lock” to play against the Dolphins Sunday.
Moore probably could have played in Monday night’s opener, but the Raiders held him out as a precaution. That should leave him close to 100 percent for this week. “He looked like the Denarius of old,” said Carson Palmer following Wednesday’s practice. “He made a couple phenomenal catches.” As the most explosive receiver on the Raiders’ roster, Moore will be on the WR3 radar shortly.
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good news
September 13th, 2012 at 10:53 am
RaiderDebo Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Agree 1000% I’m a Knapp supporter and was pissed we let him leave for Seattle the 1st time we had him. The ZBS works and right now, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt with his playcalling because I think he’s shorthanded WR-wise, kind of like we’ve been for the last 5 years or so.
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Wow.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:55 am
It would be better for both Zach Miller’s career and the Raiders in general for that relationship to happen again soon.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:56 am
And so the lord returned in the form of a man bringing with him unfathomable wisdom. He said, “I am the lord, thy God, and an 11th commandment is justified. Thou shall putteth thy pants. That is all.” And he disappeared vowing to return again.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I’ll be happy with any win against Miami. Watched the edited replay last night. The score was a little decieving. They really didn’t let Foster or Schaub get off. If not for those Flukey interceptions, that score is much closer in the 1st half. Their running game looked legit with Bush and Thomas. Bess made a few nice plays. That guy kicked our ass a couple of years ago. And Hoffman better have our coverage teams prepared for that Thigpen dude. Don’t think we’re in a position to be calling this a trap game, but that’s what it feels like to me.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:55 am
It would be better for both Zach Miller’s career and the Raiders in general for that relationship to happen again soon.
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We never should have let him go.
We are currently sitting on the cap space to afford him. We paid Boss the same as what Zack would have cost. Heck, we paid Routt more than what Nnamdi would have cost.
Nnamdi and Miller both should still be with us. Major screw up on “someones” part.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:03 am
RaiderDebo Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I’ll be happy with any win against Miami. Watched the edited replay last night. The score was a little decieving. They really didn’t let Foster or Schaub get off. If not for those Flukey interceptions, that score is much closer in the 1st half. Their running game looked legit with Bush and Thomas. Bess made a few nice plays. That guy kicked our ass a couple of years ago. And Hoffman better have our coverage teams prepared for that Thigpen dude. Don’t think we’re in a position to be calling this a trap game, but that’s what it feels like to me.
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In your opinion…
Do you think Miami is as good or better than the SanDiusky team we just played?
If you think Miami is better, then a unconvincing win might be satisfactory. But if you dont think they are better than the dischargers, then anything less than a blowout will not cut it going forward.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Let’s finish Halos w/ a sweep A’s!
September 13th, 2012 at 11:04 am
765.branden.w Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:56 am
And so the lord returned in the form of a man bringing with him unfathomable wisdom. He said, “I am the lord, thy God, and an 11th commandment is justified. Thou shall putteth thy pants. That is all.” And he disappeared vowing to return again.
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Haaa. Funny.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Raiders will win Sunday.
Not a fan of Knapp, but I want to see how the offense plays w/ Cp3’s fav. target Moore in the game.
If Duante did it a few years ago, CP3 and company can get it done also.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
YOu can see Streater was attempting to cover up the ball as well, the kid has presence.
He is going to learn that protecting the ball is one of the hardest things to do in this league, so just say screw it and go down.
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I´m a Streater fan and I saw that (both hands on the ball) but too many players around. And that´s not my point, what I liked was the entire Offense on that drive. Palmer went to Streater and give him the hand, that´s a leader. Palmer is not the cause we loose this game.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Relax ArmChair, Debo is a big JaLoser fan too. At least he’s consistent.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:08 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
YOu can see Streater was attempting to cover up the ball as well, the kid has presence.
He is going to learn that protecting the ball is one of the hardest things to do in this league, so just say screw it and go down.
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I´m a Streater fan and I saw that (both hands on the ball) but too many players around. And that´s not my point, what I liked was the entire Offense on that drive. Palmer went to Streater and give him the hand, that´s a leader. Palmer is not the cause we loose this game.
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Streater will be fine. He’ll learn to lay his ass down, when there’s many defenders around him, instead of fighting for the extra yard.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Daniel Thomas (concussion) is not expected to play in Sunday’s game against the Raiders, a source confirms to the Miami Herald.
Source: Miami Herald
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.
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We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.
Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
We need to bring some heat to this rookie QB. Hit em’ a few times and shake em’ up some.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
753.lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Fired,reassigned-makes no difference,you want him gone as OC and it isn’t going to happen-at least not after the 1st couple of weeks.You are acting like KK repeating the same thing over and over and over and………….
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I get that u are sick of people calling for Knapp’s duties to be “lessened” but personally I am in a state of panic over this season.
Some don’t care as much cuz they didn’t have any expectations in the 1st place…(not sure where u weigh in in that regard) but for those of us schmucks who had some hopes of a playoff appearence this is a MUST WIN game, and will be huge disappointment if season is over when it just got started a couple days ago.
There isn’t time to “play it out and see how he does” and after a few weeks if it doesn’t work out, THEN look at making some adjustments.
This NFL season for us is set up that if we don’t win at Miami, we have Pitt. Den. and ATL. waiting to smack u around and make us 0-5.
That’s pretty sad.
It is what is as they say though, so we can only cross our fingers and hope Knapp and Co. have this under control and have a plan in place to score points.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
The best thing we could do is go 0/16 this season and reap a full harvest of draft picks, although that might be too much to ask since historically our draft picks have been busts.
This is another lost season, especially with Knapp as the OC/play caller with Reggie, DA, and Knapp trying to knock a square peg through a round hole.
We have a few players but our most talented are serial malingerers. The rest are worthless.
If Reggie and Allen stick with Knapp and his so-called system, we need to get rid of them too.
As a matter of fact, I think we need to get rid of Mark. I am sure the other partners could buy him out at this point. Hopefully Mark will need an equity investor who will then be the majority shareholder and remove Mark and the whole crew of their duties.
There is just no other way.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I know this is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone has the same negative opinion of Knapp that you do.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.
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We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.
Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
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A win is a win.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Zack Miller is always 1 play away from an injury.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Out w/ the old.
In w/ the new.
Wassup w/ all these man crushes on ex-Raiders?
They’re gone!
Get over it!
September 13th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Riff,blowout or close win -it doesn’t matter as long as we win.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:18 am
DJ,
Don’t worry man, your 0/5 prediction has almost a 100% chance of becoming reality.
The best we’ll is 1/4.
Of course through all that losing TP will remain on the bench and not get one rep.
I just wish a big bomb would go off…..
September 13th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.
* “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:
People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.
Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.
- Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:
An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.
Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:
4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.
McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.
7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.
4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.
Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.
Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.
Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.
So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
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What is really disturbing is people here act like this stuff never happened and Hue was just some bum who came in here and flamed out.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
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Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.
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I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….
Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?
Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.
The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.
At least implant a nice counter game.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
DMAC Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.
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We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.
Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
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Not in our case. Not against a weak team like Miami.
A win is a win against Denver or Pitt or Atlanta. Not against inferior opponents. Just like a loss wasnt just a loss against SanDiusky. That is a game we needed and should have had.
Losing games we are supposed to win hurts a lot more than losing games against quality opponents.
If we simply play at Miami’s level, like we are so adept at doing, then it shows nothing has changed with this team and we can throw in the towel on the season because we are realistically looking at a 1-4 start.
We blow them out and it at least sells those of us on suicide watch that a 2-3 is feasible and a 10-6 finish is still possible.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
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Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.
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I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….
Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?
Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.
The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.
At least implant a nice counter game.
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What game did you watch?
September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
781.lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I know this is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone has the same negative opinion of Knapp that you do.
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My opinion is open on Knapp. What I saw Mon. nite did not make me think he is the answer at OC.
Of course it’s the players who have the ultimate responibility to get it done but the schemes must be in place to allow them to have a chance.
A 5 yd. pass to a receiver who has someone draped all over him on a 3rd and 9 does not give us a chance at success.
I admit i don’t know if that is a case of the receiver running a bad route or what…but it’s not good.
You’re right. We have no choice but to run with Knapp cuz Reggie and DA are not gonna make any moves with lessening Knapp’s responsibilities so all we can do is HOPE we can get it done.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
DMAC Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.
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We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.
Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
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A win is a win.
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Not in our case. Not against a weak team like Miami.
A win is a win against Denver or Pitt or Atlanta. Not against inferior opponents. Just like a loss wasnt just a loss against SanDiusky. That is a game we needed and should have had.
Losing games we are supposed to win hurts a lot more than losing games against quality opponents.
If we simply play at Miami’s level, like we are so adept at doing, then it shows nothing has changed with this team and we can throw in the towel on the season because we are realistically looking at a 1-4 start.
We blow them out and it at least sells those of us on suicide watch that a 2-3 is feasible and a 10-6 finish is still possible.
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How do you get into the playoffs?
W/ Wins, not difference of scores.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:25 am
The run game will be different w/ Wiz running the show at Center. Parsons sux and doesn’t get any push. Instead he gets pushed back.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:03 am
RaiderDebo Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I’ll be happy with any win against Miami. Watched the edited replay last night. The score was a little decieving. They really didn’t let Foster or Schaub get off. If not for those Flukey interceptions, that score is much closer in the 1st half. Their running game looked legit with Bush and Thomas. Bess made a few nice plays. That guy kicked our ass a couple of years ago. And Hoffman better have our coverage teams prepared for that Thigpen dude. Don’t think we’re in a position to be calling this a trap game, but that’s what it feels like to me.
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In your opinion…
Do you think Miami is as good or better than the SanDiusky team we just played?
If you think Miami is better, then a unconvincing win might be satisfactory. But if you dont think they are better than the dischargers, then anything less than a blowout will not cut it going forward.
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I definitely think SD is better than Miami, at least on offense. The question for me is: How good are we? I figured the Charger game would be tough, but I never expected them to blow us out. We’re on a short week and flying across the country to play a 10am game at 86 degrees or so. And that’s against a team that while starting a rookie QB, has a decent running game and defense, and from the looks of things, an outstanding special teams unit which just happens to be a weakness of ours. If we win this game by one point, I’ll be pumped.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Riff,
That’s right. I’ll take a win at ANY score against Miami as we could attribute not blowing them out to still getting our feet wet with this “New System”, but if we lose???
We’re done.
Just weird that this season could be over and we jsut started 3 days ago.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
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Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.
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I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….
Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?
Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.
The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.
At least implant a nice counter game.
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What game did you watch?
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LoL I know, I know, but just saying anyway you look at it, even tho CP3 thru underneath alll night … the run game should have had a chance. DMC avg 2.2 a carry. soak that in, thats awfulllllllllllll
September 13th, 2012 at 11:27 am
HUE JACKSON DOESN’T WORK HERE ANY MORE.GET OVER HIM.Damn,you guys are such sniveling little women.Hue did this,Hue did that Who cares,he is GONE and he failed while he was here.He did no better than the other coach you hated-Cable.Those that whine if Hue was still here-Cable should still be here with Jackson as his OC.Cable is the one who turned the team around-not your beloved Hue.Was Cable a great HC,no,but neither was Hue Jackson.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:27 am
a big bomb would go off…..
787.eastoaklandraider Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.
* “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:
People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.
Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.
- Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:
An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.
Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:
4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.
McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.
7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.
4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.
Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.
Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.
Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.
So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
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What is really disturbing is people here act like this stuff never happened and Hue was just some bum who came in here and flamed out.
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2000% agreed! Anybody ripping this guy’s accomplishments has an “agenda”.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:28 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
781.lefty12 Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I know this is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone has the same negative opinion of Knapp that you do.
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My opinion is open on Knapp. What I saw Mon. nite did not make me think he is the answer at OC.
Of course it’s the players who have the ultimate responibility to get it done but the schemes must be in place to allow them to have a chance.
A 5 yd. pass to a receiver who has someone draped all over him on a 3rd and 9 does not give us a chance at success.
I admit i don’t know if that is a case of the receiver running a bad route or what…but it’s not good.
You’re right. We have no choice but to run with Knapp cuz Reggie and DA are not gonna make any moves with lessening Knapp’s responsibilities so all we can do is HOPE we can get it done.
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You have a much more pragmatic approach to Knapp now then you did at the beginning of the day. Kudos.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Bob Marley Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Now if you guys want to use a measuring stick on Offense, we have a telling one.
The Raiders have played San Diego in 3 out of their last 9 games.
Under Hue last year, weeks 10 and 17, we averaged 504 yards of Offense and 25 ppg without McFadden, under Knapp with Palmer and # 20 it was 321 yards and 14 points, zero TD’s until less than 2 minutes remained in the game and with San Diego protecing a 16 point lead
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At least there are a few in here who keep it real. Bob your post are some of the best I’ve heard keep’em comin. As for all the Hue bashers your getting exactly what you deserve its just to bad us fans who really know what’s going on have to suffer along with you.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Raider Riff Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Seymour Bush Says:
September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
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Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.
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I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….
Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?
Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.
The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.
At least implant a nice counter game.
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What game did you watch?
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LoL I know, I know, but just saying anyway you look at it, even tho CP3 thru underneath alll night … the run game should have had a chance. DMC avg 2.2 a carry. soak that in, thats awfulllllllllllll
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He only got 15 carries.
We played from behind the ENTIRE game.
Pretty hard to get your ypc average up on such a short amount of touches. And equally hard for the O-Line to get a rhytmn going.
If Streater doesnt fumble on the opening drive, the game probably has a MUCH different look and outcome. We very well could have started the game up 14-0 after the first two drives.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:33 am
If Streater doesnt fumble on the opening drive, the game probably has a MUCH different look and outcome. We very well could have started the game up 14-0 after the first two drives.
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True
September 13th, 2012 at 11:33 am
So what do the experts think of RGIII? Well i seems that agree with me he is the wave of the future. Check this out and pay close attention to what our beloved raiders Madden and gannon have to say about him.
One of the best points to be made here though is what dilfer says, when he points out that the redskins have taken a part of the baylor offense and married it to their playbook. This confirms a few things that i have stated here before and people tripped all over themselves arguing about it with me.
1.) You can run a spread option based offense in the nfl. You need to adapt it to fit into your passing scheme wco, or vertical.
2.) Spread option qbs can play in the nfl and are very difficult to stop, because of the diversity in their games and the way it opens possibility with a play book and formations. The nfl needs to stop making these guys play wr, db, and safety.
3.)NFL do scout college offense to incorporate elements into their own offense, and also so they can figure out how to stop it on defense.
4.) RGIII & CAM NEWTON REPRESENT A CULTURE CHANGE IN THE NFL AND ARE REDEFINING AND REVOLUTIONIZING THE QB POSITION, AND OFFENSIVE FOOTBALL IN GENERAL. THE NFL HAS NEVER BEFORE SEEN GUYS LIKE THESE PLAYING QB.
as a matter of opinion i hope RGIII and Cam continue to have success, so we may see more of these guys make it into the nfl. I would love to see us do what carolina and washington have done with pryor. i think we could also have one of these space aged attacks.
enjoy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/steve-mariucci-calls-rgiii-the-most-athletic-quarterback-in-nfl-history/2012/09/10/96856cb8-fb7b-11e1-b2af-1f7d12fe907a_blog.html
September 13th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Riff,
That’s right. I’ll take a win at ANY score against Miami as we could attribute not blowing them out to still getting our feet wet with this “New System”, but if we lose???
We’re done.
Just weird that this season could be over and we jsut started 3 days ago.
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So if we win 13-12. We have a couple fumbles. Some more dropped passes. Botched special team play. And some more stupid penalties.
You are ok with that? You will feel comfortable going forward?
If we are 2-0, then yeah, Im with you. But we are 0-1. Coming off a loss we should have won. In dire need of a confidence boost. We need a Cable-Denver-59pt special in the worst way.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:35 am
DJ Johnny Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
A 5 yd. pass to a receiver who has someone draped all over him on a 3rd and 9 does not give us a chance at success.
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That’s pretty much my concern in a nutshell. And, I don’t think that kind of play-calling from Knapp is going to change.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:36 am
RGIII is the truth, but people should get off his nutz, unless your a Skins fan.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Palmer had 46 pass attempts, 2 were over 20yds. None completed.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I want my Running back to lead the NFL in rushing yards not Receptions. 15 carries is not going to cut it. Toltal rushing attempts for the night 18. What a joke!
September 13th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Jerry jones on RGIII shaking in his boots
“well, I was very impressed,” Jones said on 105.3 [KRLD-FM] The Fan’s New School show. “He certainly showed a lot of poise. They had him game-planned really well to do the kinds of things that he does good. His athletic ability, his speed, all of that is something that I don’t look forward to the Cowboys competing against for a lot of years.”
September 13th, 2012 at 11:42 am
I dont think da hires knapp if he had job earlier in the yr.. next yr he’s gone
September 13th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@ Raider Riff
Hey look, I agree with the Streater fumble, the FG on the 1yd line before half, taiwans fumble off his face and blocked punt, TK’s offsides …. game changing plays …. I was there, it was painful.
You can also thro win the Bartell injury and Pat Lee, i guess he held his own, but that was an issure too.
These are all excuses and execution errors.
I just really can’t understand DMC’s 2.2 a carry … 15 carries is a solid amount of touches … the ZBS is a touchy subject with me, thats all.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Redskins talk? Every day….? Why come to a raider blog?
September 13th, 2012 at 11:45 am
KoolKell Says:
September 13th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Palmer had 46 pass attempts, 2 were over 20yds. None completed.
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Credit SanDiusky’s scheme for that one.
And the two dropped passes that were perfect throws.
And the fact that despite the fact that the underneath throws were there, the OLine couldnt hold up long enough for us to get in a rythmn to cause SD to bring their safeties in.
Not Knapps fault.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I want the playbook reworked to marry in some of the spread option game tailored for pryor. I dont care if its the clemson version, the baylor version, or even toledo just get it here now!!!!
This offense matched with the speed we have on offense would be nealry unstoppable. we certainly have more team speed than the redskins and carolina is close. By the way did any one catch louis murphy hauling in a 51 yard bomb from newton?
This is where we need to go, and i hope either knapp does it or we get the guy that will do it. So far i am really unimpressed with our limited version of the offense, and the square pegs trying to run it. This is a 199os version of the wco….yawn
September 13th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Riff. The point to a fire sale is to get worse. To get the top pick a couple of yrs in a row.. and to collect as many other picks as you can. As i said its all about a franchise qb and a passrush..
September 13th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I forgot the long pass attempt to Streater. CP3 made a nice throw and Streater dropped it.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Gotta run peoples
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears! (fire Tedford)
Go Raiders!
September 13th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Tampa bay has also followed the trend and their offense to some spread option game. The difference is there passing game is a vertical seam heavy attack, reminiscent of norv turner. They look to run down hill with power blocking then throw it deep on the outside or in the seams. The spread looks held the defense for a second and created giant passing lanes and seams in the defense. freemans underrated athleticism is enough to command respect when he uses play action. He owned carolinas defense and looked like a reborn player returning to form from a year ago. Biggest improvement eliminating the throws from his back foot and stepping up into the pocket.
September 13th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Raider Riff
You weren’t disappointed that Reece wasn’t more involved in the passing game? Heck with all the receivers down, I wouldn’t minded seeing DMAC, Reece and the Beer Truck (for blocking) all on the field at the same time…
September 13th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I flew all the way from Hawaii and used up all my miles to watch a loss, guess thats the pain i feel.
September 13th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Miami 34
Oakland 6
The Raiders without doubt will be 0-4 at the bye, and you can bet it wont be Palmer starting the Falcons game,…When the Raiders head to LA you can bet the new majority owners wont keep that big dummy Reggie around. When you look at it the way I do, going 1-15 isnt so bad. I see nothing wrong with supporting the Niners, I am a huge Harbaugh fan and I hope they win it all this year, and I see no reason why they wont, they are easily the best team in the NFL…so join me, support Harbaugh, its real football over there, not what the Raiders are doing, which is laying down. Having lunch today in a cool spot in Placerville, Cosmic Cafe,…take care now.