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Ford’s surgery to repair Lisfranc injury

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, September 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said wide receiver Jacoby Ford’s surgery went well. He also revealed for the first time that Ford suffered the dreaded Lisfranc injury.
“It’s a hard injury to come back from,” running back Darren McFadden said.
McFadden speaks from experience. He suffered a similar injury last season and missed the final nine games.
Allen said the Raiders were hopeful of Ford recovering from the injury he suffered Aug. 17 against the Arizona Cardinals without surgery. However, his foot didn’t respond to treatment and rest as well as hoped.
“As I understand it, anyway, it’s the Lisfranc that he had last year,” Allen said. “It’s the same exact injury. They expected it to get better, and it didn’t get better, or at least it wasn’t good enough for him to do that job that he’s going to have to do. We all felt like surgery was the best option.”
Allen said Ford is going to be out for an extended period.
“They said the procedure went well,” Allen said. “And again, we’ll see how long that means.”
McFadden said he is symptathetic toward Ford, knowing full well how difficult it is recovering from the Lisfranc injury. McFadden didn’t require surgery, yet he missed more than half the season.
For those asking, McFadden’s injury happened at the Coliseum. Ford’s happened in Arizona. So, no need to blame the Coliseum playing surface.
“It’s just a good thing that he was able to go out there and catch it early,” McFadden said, “so he could be able to get it corrected and try to work on getting back.”

– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain missed practice today as a result of an ankle injury he suffered Monday night against the San Diego Chargers. Running back Taiwan Jones also missed practice. In his case, it was because of a ribs injury he suffered Monday.
“It’s not as bad as last year, but we’ll see,” McClain said, when asked if he intends to play Sunday.

– Speaking of Jones, Allen said the battle for the primary backup spot behing McFadden remains wide open between Jones and Mike Goodson.
Goodson received two carries against the Chargers. Jones became a non-factor after he fumbled the game-opening kick and mishandled a pitch from fullback Marcel Reece on a reverse.
“It’s still a battle there,” Allen said, “and it will probably be a battle throughout the remainder of the season. That’s really kind of the way we like it. Competition brings out the best in everybody.”

– Allen held out wide receiver Denarius Moore from the Chargers game in hopes of having him healthy for the long run. Sounds as if that was a prudent move, based upon the reviews Wednesday.
“He looked like Denarius of old,” quarterback Carson Palmer said. “He made a couple phenomenal catches (in practice). His burst was there last week, it’s just more conditioning, really getting in practice. There’s a totally different type of shape.”
Palmer said the Raiders the the “smart” thing by holding out Moore and giving him added time to recover from the hamstring injury that forced him to miss most of training camp and all four exhibition games.
“It was a very smart move by the staff and the training guys to hold him out and let him really get his lungs right and get his game tempo, game speed right,” Palmer said. “And he’s back this week. You can tell.”
Moore made it seem as if he doesn’t have any doubt about making his 2012 debut.
“I’m very excited,” Moore said. “I’m back with my teammates. I’m ready to rock.”
Don’t count on Moore returning punts Sunday.

– The Raiders worked out the following players Wednesday morning: defensive end Brandon Bair, defensive tackles Kade Weston and Bryce Davis and long-snappers Nick Guess, Swanson Miller, Kyle Nelson, Ryan Pontbriand, Travis Tripucka and Ryan Senser.
Ultimately, the Raiders signed Bair and Guess to their practice squad.
Allen said Guess will be the long-snapper against the Dolphins on Sunday if regular long-snapper Jon Condo (concussion) is unable to play.
“We would anticipate, if (Condo) isn’t able to go, that he would come in and take that role,” Allen said of Guess, who was an undrafted rookie out of Tennessee that signed with the Chargers in the offseason.
Allen said it might be as late as Saturday before there’s any definitive word on whether Condo is healthy enough to play. Condo is being evaluated by team doctors on a daily basis, and he has to pass a series of tests before he gets cleared.
Guess watched the game Monday night and had an inkling his phone might ring Tuesday, either from the Raiders or Redskins.
“I was definitely thinking about getting a call, absolutely, because the Redskins snapper broke his arm and then this happened to Jon,” Guess said. “I was definitely hoping to get a phone call. I didn’t know. I’m a rookie, so I don’t know how this process work. After I saw the hit, I just felt bad for Jon because I know it was just like a freak accident.”

– Dolphins running back Reggie Bush said Wednesday that McFadden is the one back in the NFL today that can withstand the kind of workload that used to be commonplace for running backs in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s.
Palmer said there’s a fine line and that there’s a way to be smart about how many times McFadden touches the ball in a game. Against the Chargers, McFadden rushed 15 times and caught 13 passes. He also had five other passes thrown his way.
“You don’t want to overuse him,” Palmer said. “But I would rather throw him the ball 10, 15 times than have him run the ball 35. If they’re going to let us throw it to him, that’s OK with us, and if they’re going to take him away that means somebody’s open downfield.”
McFadden said he will take whatever comes his way and that he is durable enough to hold up with a sizable workload over the course of a long season.
“I just leave it to the coaches,” McFadden said. “If my number is called upon, I’m going to go out there and run the ball or catch the ball, whatever they decide. I just leave that to the coaches and go with whatever they decide.”

– McClain and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly are from the south, so they aren’t as concerned about the heat and humidity forecast for Sunday’s game in Miami.
“It don’t really matter,” McClain said. “Tennessee my first year was like being at home. Then we played Miami last year, and it felt like home to me. It’s just hot. It’s not like you died or anything. It’s just a little sun. Drink some water, you’ll be fine.”
Palmer said Allen already has addressed the issue, instructing players on how to hydrate properly and how to deal with the conditions mentally.
“It will be a factor,” Palmer said. “Just like we use the dirt when we play on it at home as an advantage, because other guys don’t play on it, they use the heat as an advantage for them.”

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  • SilverNBlackPA

    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
    There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.

    +++++++++

    Cleveland.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    It doesn’t figure to be an aesthetically pleasing three hours.

    —————————
    The above comment was from NFL.com’s breakdown of the upcoming Mia/Oak game. OUCH!

  • Just Fire Baby

    All right QE3 is now upon us.

    Time for another sugar-high

    WeeeeEEEEEEeeeeEEEEEeeee!!!!!!!!

  • lefty12

    Giving the opponents the ball inside your own 38 yard line 5 times and not allowing a TD is great defense.

  • DutchRaider77

    Bet one of our D-Lineman get an INT this week…

  • DutchRaider77

    701.SilverNBlackPA Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
    There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.

    +++++++++

    Cleveland.

    _________________________________________________

    Do you think the Eagles are really bad?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Raiders 34 Miami 3

    It’s going to be ugly folks.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    _________________________________________________

    Do you think the Eagles are really bad?

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Terribly overrated at least.

    Vick is always what Palmer is at his worst these days.

  • lefty12

    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
    There is no team in the nfl i feel confident in winning against.
    ===========================
    That is because you live in negativity.We could win a game 28-3 and you’d be here complaining we didn’t score every time we had the ball and we gave up 3 points.Try looking at the positive once in a while.It will help brighten your day.

  • ArmChair GM

    I have no PERSONAL vendetta against Greg Knapp. He may have helped an old lady cross the street yesterday. He may bake pies for elderly people in the hospital. My gripe with him is purely PROFESSIONAL!

    The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.

    The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.

    We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!

    Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!

    Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!

    This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!

    Make Al Saunders the primary play caller and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach to help Terrelle Pryor develop!!

    This is the most logical thing to do to get optimum performance from our players, preserve team continuity, and still have a chance to win the division!!!

  • Just Fire Baby

    For some reason that Browns-Eagles game was just so awful that it kept my attention and I watched a fair amount of it.

    Weeden and Vick each threw 4 picks, and they each easilty could have had 6 each.

    It was that bad.

  • Raider Riff

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
    Giving the opponents the ball inside your own 38 yard line 5 times and not allowing a TD is great defense.

    ————————

    Yep.

    But we’ve seen this before, even with Al’s archaic D. There were years recently where our D held us in games and all we needed to do was average 20 pts or so a game and we would have made the playoffs.

    Then there was last year where the D wouldnt have stopped Hawaii University in the 4th qtr.

    It’s always one or the other.

    The few times both sides of the ball show up and we play to our potential and we put up 59 pts against the Donkeys.

    I expect nothing less than a blowout win against Miami. If not, our season is F’d. No way around it. We got the talent. Its time to start delivering.

  • DJ Johnny

    It just seems that karma owes us a visit. We have suffered so damn much as Raider fans over the last 9 yrs. that dangit…we deserve something good to come to us, but it always ends up being the same old bullschytt.

    Last time I was excited…really excited about the Raiders was when it was announced we picked up Palmer.

    I guess I had a higher opinion of him than anyone else. The media had always talked about him as if he was an “elite” QB and we don’t get “elite” QB’s…ever. Gannon became one while with us but we never in the past made an “elite” QB announcement…NEVER.

    Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.

    Bringing on Abner Schittstuffer from Austin Peay to the practice squad is not doin it for me.

    This is supposed to be fun entertainment and an enjoyable experience for us…..it turns out to be anything but with this org.

    Can’t we have some good f’ing news around here for once?

  • SilverNBlackPA

    707.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
    Raiders 34 Miami 3

    It’s going to be ugly folks.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    I wish I had your confidence.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m confident the D can handle their offense but Miami’s defense is no joke. My 20-16 prediction might double the number of total points scored. A 9-6 Raiders victory wouldn’t surprise me.

  • DutchRaider77

    711.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:01 am
    For some reason that Browns-Eagles game was just so awful that it kept my attention and I watched a fair amount of it.

    Weeden and Vick each threw 4 picks, and they each easilty could have had 6 each.

    It was that bad.

    ___________________________________________________

    What is wrong with Vick? Kinda thinking they spent all this money but their O-Line is crap? Did he get a lot of time to throw.

  • Just Fire Baby

    It just seems that karma owes us a visit. We have suffered so damn much as Raider fans over the last 9 yrs. that dangit…we deserve something good to come to us,

    ****************************

    It has.

    Slo-Mania

  • lefty12

    So Armchair,do you believe Knapp should go?Oh,thats right you’ve been here repeating how much you like him the last 3 days.He isn’t going anywhere-get over it.

  • DJ Johnny

    I think what i’ll do is do u guys a favor and stop giving a schytt about this team. The moment I do, it will set up some invisible attractor field in the cosmos that will finally bring some good news and happy times to the Raider Nation.

    I’ll try and do that for you guys.

  • Raider Riff

    ArmChair GM Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
    I have no PERSONAL vendetta against Greg Knapp. He may have helped an old lady cross the street yesterday. He may bake pies for elderly people in the hospital. My gripe with him is purely PROFESSIONAL!

    The entire transition of the offense was handled improperly.

    The majority of our weapons on offense including the QB were drafted or acquired using the Al Davis, vertical, stretch the field, power scheme philosophy.

    We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!

    Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!

    Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!

    This entire thing was handled completely AZZ BACKWARDS from the start!!!

    Make Al Saunders the primary play caller and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach to help Terrelle Pryor develop!!

    This is the most logical thing to do to get optimum performance from our players, preserve team continuity, and still have a chance to win the division!!!

    ————–

    I agree with all of this.

    But we got what we got. And Knapp has done a good job so far. So lets lay off of him and put the blame where it belongs.

  • Just Fire Baby

    What is wrong with Vick?

    ********************

    The way the Browns played him, they didn’t even bother worrying about the play action, and everytime Reid called some PA bootleg type thing, he had a DE in his face.

    And he just isn’t as athletic as he once was, he can’t quite turn the corner everytime.

    And he clearly got frustrated as the game went along. His 2nd to last pass of the game, was thrown right to a LB (who droppped it) into double coverage.

  • M.Shorter

    I don’t our D was “great”. Better than that pathetic D from last yr? Ok. I’ll buy that.

    The fact we hung in there and didn’t allow alot of td’s in the red zone is a positive.

    Interesting that Seymour disappeared after that first play. Just like his first yr. in that first mon night game against SD. He had two sacks and then…..
    =================================
    True and we were excellent on the run. Also Rivers only passed for 231 yards. I dont wanna say Seymour is overrated but he def. hasnt been great for Oakland. He always makes one great play. Then disappears for the rest of the game.

  • Carl Weathers

    Someday i’ll wake up from this nightmare…where we always find some new and inventive way to choke away a football game.

    @@@@@@@@@@@

    I thought I had seen it all until Mondays game. Oh well, the positives are the defense played well, the offense has the same talent as last year so they have to get better, right?

  • lefty12

    What is wrong with Vick?
    ========================
    He sucks.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Underrated battle to watch on Sunday: Randy Starks vs. Mike Brisiel. Starks had 2 sacks of Matt Schaub last Sunday & Brisiel hasn’t played up to par.

  • Raider Riff

    DJ Johnny Says:

    Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.

    ———-

    “Far from elite”?

    He showed us flashes last year.

    And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.

    A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.

    A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Even Mistic of all people was in here praising Palmer. CP3 is the least of this team’s problems.

  • Raider Riff

    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:07 am
    I think what i’ll do is do u guys a favor and stop giving a schytt about this team. The moment I do, it will set up some invisible attractor field in the cosmos that will finally bring some good news and happy times to the Raider Nation.

    I’ll try and do that for you guys.

    ——————————

    Try it. It may work. Cause lord knows my aversion from betting on the team hasnt netted us any results.

    I’d chop off a toe and two fingers in a voodoo ritual if it meant that we’d win a damn SuperBowl. Im serious.

  • DutchRaider77

    717.lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
    So Armchair,do you believe Knapp should go?Oh,thats right you’ve been here repeating how much you like him the last 3 days.He isn’t going anywhere-get over it.

    ___________________________________________________

    True, like YA said, a good organization does not fire a OC after one game. But I hate the excuse that it is not the coaches fault, that the players are not executing the plays. If players are not executing the plays, than it is on the coach to correct that.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Miami’s front 7 in general is pretty good. Some numbers from last week:

    Randy Starks – 2 sacks, 2 TFL, 2 QB hurries

    Cameron Wake – 1 TFL, 3 QB hurries

    Paul Soliai – 2 TFL

    Koa Misi and Karlos Dansby each had a TFL and combined for 20 tackles.

    Seriously, don’t sleep on this Dolphins defense.

  • Raider Riff

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:10 am
    And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.

    A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Even Mistic of all people was in here praising Palmer. CP3 is the least of this team’s problems.

    ————–

    Yeah, I caught that and about fell out of my chair.

    Anyone that was surprised by Palmers high level of play just hasnt been paying attention.

    He’s primed to have a ELITE year and lead us as deep as the rest of the team is willing to go. The other guys need to show up. So far on offense, only DMC seems to want it as bad.

    I want to see some spark. Some life in the body language of the rest of the offense. Say what you will about Jacoby but he is a fighter. It’s time everyone starts playing with some urgency.

  • The Big Banana

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
    Raiders 34 Miami 3

    It’s going to be ugly folks.

    ——-

    Is that a fresh batch of koolaid I see in our punch bowl? Man, I hope you’re right. This would be just what the dr ordered.

  • DutchRaider77

    DJ Johnny Says:

    Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.

    ———-

    “Far from elite”?

    He showed us flashes last year.

    And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.

    A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.

    __________________________________________________

    Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo…

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    After 1 game RG3 is an elite QB?

    Don’t get me wrong, if offered the choice I’d take RG3 BUT only because he can anchor a team for 10 years while Palmer is probably done in 2 or 3.

    But RG3 decidedly does not belong in the company of Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rothelisberger. Neither does Cam Newton for that matter.

  • M.Shorter

    Yeah I have to admit I was harsh on Palmer. He was making ELITE qb throws on MNF. The first throw to Hagan. Ball was thrown before Hagan and defender even turned to look for it, Hagan turned around and caught it for the first down. Perfect timing. The defender couldnt even make a play on the ball. Thats what ELITE level QBs do.

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Nation!!!

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 6:34 am
    today is a GOOD DAY !!!
    49 years ago the O.D.B. was born !!!!

    Happy Birthday, bro!

  • branden.w

    Holy crap! RGIII is already better than Carson Palmer? Maybe in Fantasy Football but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. He’s only played 60 minutes in the NFL. With that kind of thinking, Matt Flynn came into the season grading out better than Aaron Rodgers based on his week 17 performance last year. Simma down, simma down.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We kept Saunders and gave him an extension for a reason.
    Cable aka Fat Monkey took over play calling, and Knapp was fired from Seattle for the same issue, which is scoring. He had the same issue in ATL too. You can’t blame the talent/ players when other creative OCs do better like Mia and the wildcat offense and Denver/ Tebow last year.

  • jimmyball12

    DA’s Defense in DEN beat up the Fins last year..Against us Davone Bess was matched up against Curry on a crossing route for a TD!!!! Thank goodness we don’t run the BreZ D anymore..I can guarantee you right now Knapp is going to have a very good scripted first drive for 7!! If it wasn’t for streater’s fumble against SD..the game could have been VERY different! The opening drive should be interesting..Knapp knows what we think..screens to T.Jones/M.Reece PLEASE!!!!!!

  • DutchRaider77

    @SilverNBlackPA
    Sorry, totally agree with your statement. I was more thinking along the lines if you could have RGIII right now or Palmer as your starting QB in our offense? I am happy with Palmer, right now, but if the offer was on the table straight up…

  • theghostronin79

    I want to see some spark. Some life in the body language of the rest of the offense. Say what you will about Jacoby but he is a fighter. It’s time everyone starts playing with some urgency.

    ===========

    I think DHB came to the party too. You see him fighting for yards. Monday he caught a quick hitch and took a shot, bounced off, jitterbugged, pushed a 2nd defender off and immediately broght down by the 3rd. He’s been requiring 2 or more guys to bring him down lately. Plus the sideline catches, leaping above defenders and using his hands….catches that aren’t typical for DHB.
    To me, at least, it looks like he wants it bad too.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    739.DutchRaider77 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:24 am
    @SilverNBlackPA
    Sorry, totally agree with your statement. I was more thinking along the lines if you could have RGIII right now or Palmer as your starting QB in our offense? I am happy with Palmer, right now, but if the offer was on the table straight up…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ah okay, that makes much more sense now!

  • VanHeathen30

    Execution of the Offense and Special teams Gaffs cost us the Win on Monday. thought the Offense was going pretty good, but too many errors to overcome…
    2 fumbles + 3 BOTHCED Punts that lost yards are basically 5 turn Overs without creating 1 takeaway.

  • DutchRaider77

    Holy crap! RGIII is already better than Carson Palmer?

    _________________________________________________

    Yeah sorry, I was just going off that crazy old man named John Madden’s opinion of RGIII. I will not make that mistake again…Raider on

  • Just Fire Baby

    Hey putting RGIII in the top 10 isn’t TOO bad.

    Mistic has already declared him the best player Shanahan has every coached and the best Redskin player EVER.

  • jimmyball12

    SD is a good team, and we almost won..Im shaking off the loss as we speak..lol..That jay i just ripped helped out too..but think about it!! We really didnt play that bad!! Gruden lost 28-8 against KC his first game..lol..Desmond howard fumbled 2 KO’s!! Special teams..SMH..We’ll get em sunday fellas..time for revenge!!!

  • ArmChair GM

    I have no PERSONAL vendetta against Greg Knapp…

    We do not have the player personnel to fully implement what Knapp is trying to do!

    Saunders should have been made the OC with Knapp as HIS adviser, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!

    Then Knapp’s plan could be slowly integrated over the next season or two as we acquire the best players to implement that scheme!

    Make Al Saunders the primary play caller and reassign Greg Knapp to QB coach to help Terrelle Pryor develop!!

    This is the most logical thing to do to get optimum performance from our players, preserve team continuity, and still have a chance to win the division!!!
    _______________________________________________________

    It is obvious that some of you guys have poor reading comprehension.

    How did you read and comprehend what I wrote, and still conclude that I just want Greg Knapp FIRED after one week?!?!?

    Where does it say that in my words? I said REASSIGNED! Was Al saunders FIRED? No he was REASSIGNED!!!

    And you guys are the ones talking about AGENDAS???

  • M.Shorter

    Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo…
    ==============================
    Palmer is Elite are Qbs not allowed to have a couple bad seasons? Btw Newton didnt look Elite on Sunday. Neither did Big Ben

  • SilverNBlackPA

    744.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Hey putting RGIII in the top 10 isn’t TOO bad.

    Mistic has already declared him the best player Shanahan has every coached and the best Redskin player EVER.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hahahhahahahahahaha. Oh man. Neverending source of comedy that guy.

  • Raider Riff

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:17 am
    DJ Johnny Says:

    Turns out Palmer has been far from “elite”, but that was the last time I had that excited feeling about this team.

    ———-

    “Far from elite”?

    He showed us flashes last year.

    And Monday Night he was perfect. He made some awesome throws that only a few could make.

    A few spectacular catches by our WR’s and Palmer would have been the standout player of the week in the league and the SOLE reason we won the game.

    __________________________________________________

    Yeah, but what is “elite,” top 5 starting QBs? Top 10 Starting QBs or top 20 QBs? Cannot think I would have Palmer over Rogers, Brady, Brees, Eli, Schaub, Newton, Big Ben, RG3, Romo…

    ————————

    Elite is performing of course. But its also making throws that only a few in the league can, Brady Brees and a few others make some throws that not every QB can make. Palmer is one of those guys that when he’s “on”, he’s really on.

    I dont grade based on top 5, 10 20 or whatever. I think it is much better to grade on a letter tier system.

    Here’s my take…

    The “A’s” (elites)

    Brady
    Manning
    Brees
    Eli
    Rogers

    The “B’s” (not average but not elite either. youre a lucky team if you at least got a B at QB. Some have a good team behind them, others a good scheme)

    Rivers (B+, he aint Sanchez but he aint Brady either)
    Cutler (B+)
    Rothlisberger (B+)
    Stafford (B+)
    Romo (the B+’s need their own category to be honest)
    Vick (his style of play and body type will never survive a full season)
    Sanchez
    Flacco
    Ryan
    Dalton (he’ll be at this level soon)
    Palmer (has the potential to play at a A level)
    Shaub
    Cassel (we’ve seen him play at a very high level under the right system)
    Smith
    Bradford

    The “C’s” (rookies or legitimate starters, but not going to “win you games”)

    Cam (sky is the limit)
    Freeman
    RG3 (will be a B by seasons end but like Vick, his style of play will be his undoing)
    Fitzpatrick
    Luck (will be a B by seasons end and has the potential to be a A one day)
    Locker
    Ponder
    Wilson (again, I love what I see from this kid but he is going to go out on a stretcher at some point)

    The “Ds” (not there yet or just plain bad)

    Tannenhill
    Weeden
    Gabbert (jury is still out on this one)
    Skelton

  • Marks hair

    Riff.. im saying a 1-4 team isnt going anywhere… i dont want to get better i want to get worse… top pick by WL record plus any other picks we can get in trade.