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Ford’s surgery to repair Lisfranc injury

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, September 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said wide receiver Jacoby Ford’s surgery went well. He also revealed for the first time that Ford suffered the dreaded Lisfranc injury.
“It’s a hard injury to come back from,” running back Darren McFadden said.
McFadden speaks from experience. He suffered a similar injury last season and missed the final nine games.
Allen said the Raiders were hopeful of Ford recovering from the injury he suffered Aug. 17 against the Arizona Cardinals without surgery. However, his foot didn’t respond to treatment and rest as well as hoped.
“As I understand it, anyway, it’s the Lisfranc that he had last year,” Allen said. “It’s the same exact injury. They expected it to get better, and it didn’t get better, or at least it wasn’t good enough for him to do that job that he’s going to have to do. We all felt like surgery was the best option.”
Allen said Ford is going to be out for an extended period.
“They said the procedure went well,” Allen said. “And again, we’ll see how long that means.”
McFadden said he is symptathetic toward Ford, knowing full well how difficult it is recovering from the Lisfranc injury. McFadden didn’t require surgery, yet he missed more than half the season.
For those asking, McFadden’s injury happened at the Coliseum. Ford’s happened in Arizona. So, no need to blame the Coliseum playing surface.
“It’s just a good thing that he was able to go out there and catch it early,” McFadden said, “so he could be able to get it corrected and try to work on getting back.”

– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain missed practice today as a result of an ankle injury he suffered Monday night against the San Diego Chargers. Running back Taiwan Jones also missed practice. In his case, it was because of a ribs injury he suffered Monday.
“It’s not as bad as last year, but we’ll see,” McClain said, when asked if he intends to play Sunday.

– Speaking of Jones, Allen said the battle for the primary backup spot behing McFadden remains wide open between Jones and Mike Goodson.
Goodson received two carries against the Chargers. Jones became a non-factor after he fumbled the game-opening kick and mishandled a pitch from fullback Marcel Reece on a reverse.
“It’s still a battle there,” Allen said, “and it will probably be a battle throughout the remainder of the season. That’s really kind of the way we like it. Competition brings out the best in everybody.”

– Allen held out wide receiver Denarius Moore from the Chargers game in hopes of having him healthy for the long run. Sounds as if that was a prudent move, based upon the reviews Wednesday.
“He looked like Denarius of old,” quarterback Carson Palmer said. “He made a couple phenomenal catches (in practice). His burst was there last week, it’s just more conditioning, really getting in practice. There’s a totally different type of shape.”
Palmer said the Raiders the the “smart” thing by holding out Moore and giving him added time to recover from the hamstring injury that forced him to miss most of training camp and all four exhibition games.
“It was a very smart move by the staff and the training guys to hold him out and let him really get his lungs right and get his game tempo, game speed right,” Palmer said. “And he’s back this week. You can tell.”
Moore made it seem as if he doesn’t have any doubt about making his 2012 debut.
“I’m very excited,” Moore said. “I’m back with my teammates. I’m ready to rock.”
Don’t count on Moore returning punts Sunday.

– The Raiders worked out the following players Wednesday morning: defensive end Brandon Bair, defensive tackles Kade Weston and Bryce Davis and long-snappers Nick Guess, Swanson Miller, Kyle Nelson, Ryan Pontbriand, Travis Tripucka and Ryan Senser.
Ultimately, the Raiders signed Bair and Guess to their practice squad.
Allen said Guess will be the long-snapper against the Dolphins on Sunday if regular long-snapper Jon Condo (concussion) is unable to play.
“We would anticipate, if (Condo) isn’t able to go, that he would come in and take that role,” Allen said of Guess, who was an undrafted rookie out of Tennessee that signed with the Chargers in the offseason.
Allen said it might be as late as Saturday before there’s any definitive word on whether Condo is healthy enough to play. Condo is being evaluated by team doctors on a daily basis, and he has to pass a series of tests before he gets cleared.
Guess watched the game Monday night and had an inkling his phone might ring Tuesday, either from the Raiders or Redskins.
“I was definitely thinking about getting a call, absolutely, because the Redskins snapper broke his arm and then this happened to Jon,” Guess said. “I was definitely hoping to get a phone call. I didn’t know. I’m a rookie, so I don’t know how this process work. After I saw the hit, I just felt bad for Jon because I know it was just like a freak accident.”

– Dolphins running back Reggie Bush said Wednesday that McFadden is the one back in the NFL today that can withstand the kind of workload that used to be commonplace for running backs in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s.
Palmer said there’s a fine line and that there’s a way to be smart about how many times McFadden touches the ball in a game. Against the Chargers, McFadden rushed 15 times and caught 13 passes. He also had five other passes thrown his way.
“You don’t want to overuse him,” Palmer said. “But I would rather throw him the ball 10, 15 times than have him run the ball 35. If they’re going to let us throw it to him, that’s OK with us, and if they’re going to take him away that means somebody’s open downfield.”
McFadden said he will take whatever comes his way and that he is durable enough to hold up with a sizable workload over the course of a long season.
“I just leave it to the coaches,” McFadden said. “If my number is called upon, I’m going to go out there and run the ball or catch the ball, whatever they decide. I just leave that to the coaches and go with whatever they decide.”

– McClain and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly are from the south, so they aren’t as concerned about the heat and humidity forecast for Sunday’s game in Miami.
“It don’t really matter,” McClain said. “Tennessee my first year was like being at home. Then we played Miami last year, and it felt like home to me. It’s just hot. It’s not like you died or anything. It’s just a little sun. Drink some water, you’ll be fine.”
Palmer said Allen already has addressed the issue, instructing players on how to hydrate properly and how to deal with the conditions mentally.
“It will be a factor,” Palmer said. “Just like we use the dirt when we play on it at home as an advantage, because other guys don’t play on it, they use the heat as an advantage for them.”

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  • VanHeathen30

    this may be a very long boring season if the O doesn’t get right and our Special Teams continues to STINK!
    Why can’t we EVER get a consistent return game going?

  • jimmyball12

    When Palmer made that throw to Streater for the 1st down from the opposite hash in tight coverage (left to right)..I was very relieved..I’m happy with our QB situation..

  • lefty12

    Fired,reassigned-makes no difference,you want him gone as OC and it isn’t going to happen-at least not after the 1st couple of weeks.You are acting like KK repeating the same thing over and over and over and………….

  • MEX_GHOST

    I know all the blame on Knapp, but I liked the first drive, Streater trying to get YAC´s was not a good idea, there were 4 or 5 chargers around.
    All the motions before the snap were getting confused the SD Defense, and the Raiders Offense look smart for the first time since Gannon.

  • VanHeathen30

    How IRONIC is it that this team apparently stresses that players can play multiple positions, yet we NEVER got a 2nd long snapper some work in training camp?
    I know Condo has had a long run w/out missing time, but to not have ANYONE ready was an Epic Failure by this Coaching Staff…
    I was ready to watch DA go Woodie Hayes on the ST Coach, those 3, 3 GAFFED PUNTS COST US DEARLY!

  • DutchRaider77

    Good Post RaiderRiff!

  • Just Fire Baby

    YOu can see Streater was attempting to cover up the ball as well, the kid has presence.

    He is going to learn that protecting the ball is one of the hardest things to do in this league, so just say screw it and go down.

  • The Big Banana

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
    744.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Hey putting RGIII in the top 10 isn’t TOO bad.

    Mistic has already declared him the best player Shanahan has every coached and the best Redskin player EVER.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hahahhahahahahahaha. Oh man. Neverending source of comedy that guy.

    ——–

    Oh, I still remember when Troy Smith and Soup were taking the league by storm and redefining the QB position. Can you say premature?

  • DutchRaider77

    Remember who the backup long snapper was for a couple of years? Zack Miller…

  • VanHeathen30

    Felt bad for Goethel to get fed to the fire on MNF…
    Guy hadn’t Long Snapped since High School, NEVER got a rep in camp and didn’t even play a game last year due to injury, and here you go…
    the 2nd snap was fine, but Burris blocked his own guy and opened a gap for the rusher to block it…
    We’re lucky Shane didn’t get injured in that freakin’ mess.
    Way to Coach ‘em up guys!

  • RaiderDebo

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 8:56 am
    I don’t know the “basic fundamentals” of an end-around, and I would agree it wasn’t the greatest pitch either.

    But like I said, if Taiwan Jones catches it, it’s not like they were going to stop the game and start a parade for him.

    It wasn’t THAT HARD of a catch. I would think it would be harder to catch it around your knee’s or a few feet off to the side, than about 2 feet to high.

    It literally hit him between the eyes!!!! You want more reps and carries, you make that happen, IMO, and not turn it into a 25 yard loss.

    ————————

    It was ‘that hard’ of a catch. It was basically a shot right to the facemask. No touch on it whatsoever. Reece’s one job is to make it as easy as possible and he failed.

    As a rule of thumb, its the QB’s job to hand the ball off in a good exchange to the RB and its always the guy tossing the laterals job to make it a soft lateral. I guarantee that in practice, Reece was throwing it at his facemask.

    Go re-watch the tape. T Jones was making yards on that play at the very least. At best it had a serious shot at going the distance. It was a great play call.

    When Norv called the deep pass that beat Bartell, Rivers and the WR made GREAT plays. When Knapp called a well timed reverse, we couldnt even get the toss right.

    Its that simple.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Agree 1000% I’m a Knapp supporter and was pissed we let him leave for Seattle the 1st time we had him. The ZBS works and right now, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt with his playcalling because I think he’s shorthanded WR-wise, kind of like we’ve been for the last 5 years or so.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    According to the Contra Costa Times, Denarius Moore (hamstring) “looks to be a lock” to play against the Dolphins Sunday.
    Moore probably could have played in Monday night’s opener, but the Raiders held him out as a precaution. That should leave him close to 100 percent for this week. “He looked like the Denarius of old,” said Carson Palmer following Wednesday’s practice. “He made a couple phenomenal catches.” As the most explosive receiver on the Raiders’ roster, Moore will be on the WR3 radar shortly.
    ———————–
    good news

  • ArmChair GM

    RaiderDebo Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Agree 1000% I’m a Knapp supporter and was pissed we let him leave for Seattle the 1st time we had him. The ZBS works and right now, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt with his playcalling because I think he’s shorthanded WR-wise, kind of like we’ve been for the last 5 years or so.
    _______________________________________________________

    Wow.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    It would be better for both Zach Miller’s career and the Raiders in general for that relationship to happen again soon.

  • branden.w

    And so the lord returned in the form of a man bringing with him unfathomable wisdom. He said, “I am the lord, thy God, and an 11th commandment is justified. Thou shall putteth thy pants. That is all.” And he disappeared vowing to return again.

  • RaiderDebo

    I’ll be happy with any win against Miami. Watched the edited replay last night. The score was a little decieving. They really didn’t let Foster or Schaub get off. If not for those Flukey interceptions, that score is much closer in the 1st half. Their running game looked legit with Bush and Thomas. Bess made a few nice plays. That guy kicked our ass a couple of years ago. And Hoffman better have our coverage teams prepared for that Thigpen dude. Don’t think we’re in a position to be calling this a trap game, but that’s what it feels like to me.

  • Raider Riff

    Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    It would be better for both Zach Miller’s career and the Raiders in general for that relationship to happen again soon.

    —————-

    We never should have let him go.

    We are currently sitting on the cap space to afford him. We paid Boss the same as what Zack would have cost. Heck, we paid Routt more than what Nnamdi would have cost.

    Nnamdi and Miller both should still be with us. Major screw up on “someones” part.

  • Raider Riff

    RaiderDebo Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    I’ll be happy with any win against Miami. Watched the edited replay last night. The score was a little decieving. They really didn’t let Foster or Schaub get off. If not for those Flukey interceptions, that score is much closer in the 1st half. Their running game looked legit with Bush and Thomas. Bess made a few nice plays. That guy kicked our ass a couple of years ago. And Hoffman better have our coverage teams prepared for that Thigpen dude. Don’t think we’re in a position to be calling this a trap game, but that’s what it feels like to me.

    ————

    In your opinion…

    Do you think Miami is as good or better than the SanDiusky team we just played?

    If you think Miami is better, then a unconvincing win might be satisfactory. But if you dont think they are better than the dischargers, then anything less than a blowout will not cut it going forward.

  • DMAC

    Morning/afternoon peoples!

    Let’s finish Halos w/ a sweep A’s!

  • DJ Johnny

    765.branden.w Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:56 am
    And so the lord returned in the form of a man bringing with him unfathomable wisdom. He said, “I am the lord, thy God, and an 11th commandment is justified. Thou shall putteth thy pants. That is all.” And he disappeared vowing to return again.

    Haaa. Funny.

  • DMAC

    Raiders will win Sunday.
    Not a fan of Knapp, but I want to see how the offense plays w/ Cp3′s fav. target Moore in the game.

    If Duante did it a few years ago, CP3 and company can get it done also.

  • MEX_GHOST

    757.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
    YOu can see Streater was attempting to cover up the ball as well, the kid has presence.

    He is going to learn that protecting the ball is one of the hardest things to do in this league, so just say screw it and go down.
    ————————————–
    I´m a Streater fan and I saw that (both hands on the ball) but too many players around. And that´s not my point, what I liked was the entire Offense on that drive. Palmer went to Streater and give him the hand, that´s a leader. Palmer is not the cause we loose this game.

  • lefty12

    Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.

  • JB

    Relax ArmChair, Debo is a big JaLoser fan too. At least he’s consistent.

  • DMAC

    MEX_GHOST Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    757.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
    YOu can see Streater was attempting to cover up the ball as well, the kid has presence.

    He is going to learn that protecting the ball is one of the hardest things to do in this league, so just say screw it and go down.
    ————————————–
    I´m a Streater fan and I saw that (both hands on the ball) but too many players around. And that´s not my point, what I liked was the entire Offense on that drive. Palmer went to Streater and give him the hand, that´s a leader. Palmer is not the cause we loose this game.
    ========

    Streater will be fine. He’ll learn to lay his ass down, when there’s many defenders around him, instead of fighting for the extra yard.

  • DMAC

    Daniel Thomas (concussion) is not expected to play in Sunday’s game against the Raiders, a source confirms to the Miami Herald.

    Source: Miami Herald

  • Raider Riff

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.

    ——————

    We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.

    Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.

  • DMAC

    We need to bring some heat to this rookie QB. Hit em’ a few times and shake em’ up some.

  • DJ Johnny

    753.lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 10:35 am
    Fired,reassigned-makes no difference,you want him gone as OC and it isn’t going to happen-at least not after the 1st couple of weeks.You are acting like KK repeating the same thing over and over and over and………….

    I get that u are sick of people calling for Knapp’s duties to be “lessened” but personally I am in a state of panic over this season.

    Some don’t care as much cuz they didn’t have any expectations in the 1st place…(not sure where u weigh in in that regard) but for those of us schmucks who had some hopes of a playoff appearence this is a MUST WIN game, and will be huge disappointment if season is over when it just got started a couple days ago.

    There isn’t time to “play it out and see how he does” and after a few weeks if it doesn’t work out, THEN look at making some adjustments.

    This NFL season for us is set up that if we don’t win at Miami, we have Pitt. Den. and ATL. waiting to smack u around and make us 0-5.

    That’s pretty sad.

    It is what is as they say though, so we can only cross our fingers and hope Knapp and Co. have this under control and have a plan in place to score points.

  • RaidersOne

    The best thing we could do is go 0/16 this season and reap a full harvest of draft picks, although that might be too much to ask since historically our draft picks have been busts.

    This is another lost season, especially with Knapp as the OC/play caller with Reggie, DA, and Knapp trying to knock a square peg through a round hole.

    We have a few players but our most talented are serial malingerers. The rest are worthless.

    If Reggie and Allen stick with Knapp and his so-called system, we need to get rid of them too.

    As a matter of fact, I think we need to get rid of Mark. I am sure the other partners could buy him out at this point. Hopefully Mark will need an equity investor who will then be the majority shareholder and remove Mark and the whole crew of their duties.

    There is just no other way.

  • lefty12

    I know this is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone has the same negative opinion of Knapp that you do.

  • DMAC

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.

    ——————

    We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.

    Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
    ===========

    A win is a win.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Zack Miller is always 1 play away from an injury.

  • DMAC

    Out w/ the old.
    In w/ the new.
    Wassup w/ all these man crushes on ex-Raiders?
    They’re gone!
    Get over it!

  • lefty12

    Riff,blowout or close win -it doesn’t matter as long as we win.

  • RaidersOne

    DJ,

    Don’t worry man, your 0/5 prediction has almost a 100% chance of becoming reality.

    The best we’ll is 1/4.

    Of course through all that losing TP will remain on the bench and not get one rep.

    I just wish a big bomb would go off…..

  • eastoaklandraider

    Bob Marley Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.

    * “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:

    People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.

    Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.

    - Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:

    An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.

    Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:

    4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.

    McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.

    7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.

    4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.

    Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.

    Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.

    Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.

    So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
    ____________

    What is really disturbing is people here act like this stuff never happened and Hue was just some bum who came in here and flamed out.

  • raiderinparadise

    Seymour Bush Says:
    September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
    ================================================

    Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.

    ———–

    I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
    Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….

    Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?

    Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.

    The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.

    At least implant a nice counter game.

  • Raider Riff

    DMAC Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.

    ——————

    We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.

    Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
    ===========

    A win is a win.

    —————

    Not in our case. Not against a weak team like Miami.

    A win is a win against Denver or Pitt or Atlanta. Not against inferior opponents. Just like a loss wasnt just a loss against SanDiusky. That is a game we needed and should have had.

    Losing games we are supposed to win hurts a lot more than losing games against quality opponents.

    If we simply play at Miami’s level, like we are so adept at doing, then it shows nothing has changed with this team and we can throw in the towel on the season because we are realistically looking at a 1-4 start.

    We blow them out and it at least sells those of us on suicide watch that a 2-3 is feasible and a 10-6 finish is still possible.

  • Raider Riff

    Raiderinparadise Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Seymour Bush Says:
    September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
    ================================================

    Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.

    ———–

    I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
    Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….

    Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?

    Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.

    The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.

    At least implant a nice counter game.

    ——————

    What game did you watch?

  • DJ Johnny

    781.lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    I know this is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone has the same negative opinion of Knapp that you do.

    My opinion is open on Knapp. What I saw Mon. nite did not make me think he is the answer at OC.

    Of course it’s the players who have the ultimate responibility to get it done but the schemes must be in place to allow them to have a chance.

    A 5 yd. pass to a receiver who has someone draped all over him on a 3rd and 9 does not give us a chance at success.

    I admit i don’t know if that is a case of the receiver running a bad route or what…but it’s not good.

    You’re right. We have no choice but to run with Knapp cuz Reggie and DA are not gonna make any moves with lessening Knapp’s responsibilities so all we can do is HOPE we can get it done.

  • DMAC

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    DMAC Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    Riff-a win is a win no matter what the score.And that is what we badly need.

    ——————

    We need some proof that Monday Nite was a aberration. A close win against the Fin’s means we arent that good. A blowout means we still got a shot.

    Our schedule is loaded on the front half. We gotta get thru it at or just below .500 for the final stretch to mean anything.
    ===========

    A win is a win.

    —————

    Not in our case. Not against a weak team like Miami.

    A win is a win against Denver or Pitt or Atlanta. Not against inferior opponents. Just like a loss wasnt just a loss against SanDiusky. That is a game we needed and should have had.

    Losing games we are supposed to win hurts a lot more than losing games against quality opponents.

    If we simply play at Miami’s level, like we are so adept at doing, then it shows nothing has changed with this team and we can throw in the towel on the season because we are realistically looking at a 1-4 start.

    We blow them out and it at least sells those of us on suicide watch that a 2-3 is feasible and a 10-6 finish is still possible.
    ============

    How do you get into the playoffs?

    W/ Wins, not difference of scores.

  • DMAC

    The run game will be different w/ Wiz running the show at Center. Parsons sux and doesn’t get any push. Instead he gets pushed back.

  • RaiderDebo

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:03 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    I’ll be happy with any win against Miami. Watched the edited replay last night. The score was a little decieving. They really didn’t let Foster or Schaub get off. If not for those Flukey interceptions, that score is much closer in the 1st half. Their running game looked legit with Bush and Thomas. Bess made a few nice plays. That guy kicked our ass a couple of years ago. And Hoffman better have our coverage teams prepared for that Thigpen dude. Don’t think we’re in a position to be calling this a trap game, but that’s what it feels like to me.

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    In your opinion…

    Do you think Miami is as good or better than the SanDiusky team we just played?

    If you think Miami is better, then a unconvincing win might be satisfactory. But if you dont think they are better than the dischargers, then anything less than a blowout will not cut it going forward.
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    I definitely think SD is better than Miami, at least on offense. The question for me is: How good are we? I figured the Charger game would be tough, but I never expected them to blow us out. We’re on a short week and flying across the country to play a 10am game at 86 degrees or so. And that’s against a team that while starting a rookie QB, has a decent running game and defense, and from the looks of things, an outstanding special teams unit which just happens to be a weakness of ours. If we win this game by one point, I’ll be pumped.

  • DJ Johnny

    Riff,

    That’s right. I’ll take a win at ANY score against Miami as we could attribute not blowing them out to still getting our feet wet with this “New System”, but if we lose???

    We’re done.

    Just weird that this season could be over and we jsut started 3 days ago.

  • raiderinparadise

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Raiderinparadise Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Seymour Bush Says:
    September 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    REINSTATE AL SAUNDERS AS THE PRIMARY PLAY CALLER
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    Saunders has never been the primary play caller. Cable was and Jackson was. Saunders just did some fill ins.

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    I will take Saunders fill-ins alllll day.
    Issue is clearly Knapp was out-done by the chargers….

    Every player talked about how the chargers were taking away the deep ball … sooooo? isn’t it the OC’s job to dispell that? Bubble screens, flares, flats, slants …. or a run game of ANY sort?

    Knapp was out-coached and schemed by the chargers D … big time.

    The ZBS seems to be too slow for DMC, he needs a quick lane, when he waits for a cut it takes away alllllllllllllllllll of his speed and ability. You want MDC full speed thru a hole thats when he makes people miss and blows by them.

    At least implant a nice counter game.

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    What game did you watch?

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    LoL I know, I know, but just saying anyway you look at it, even tho CP3 thru underneath alll night … the run game should have had a chance. DMC avg 2.2 a carry. soak that in, thats awfulllllllllllll

  • lefty12

    HUE JACKSON DOESN’T WORK HERE ANY MORE.GET OVER HIM.Damn,you guys are such sniveling little women.Hue did this,Hue did that Who cares,he is GONE and he failed while he was here.He did no better than the other coach you hated-Cable.Those that whine if Hue was still here-Cable should still be here with Jackson as his OC.Cable is the one who turned the team around-not your beloved Hue.Was Cable a great HC,no,but neither was Hue Jackson.

  • RaiderDebo

    a big bomb would go off…..

    787.eastoaklandraider Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:19 am
    Bob Marley Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Since people keep bringing up Hue Jackson to defend Greg Knapp, let’s go over some stuff.

    * “Hue’s 1st game as OC was worst than Knapp’s”:

    People forget to mention that Hue took over an offense that averaged 12 ppg the year before, he was facing an uphill battle and ended up averaging 25.6 ppg.

    Knapp took over an offense that averaged 22 ppg the previous year and could run, pass, make big plays and protect the QB, Knappalso had the luxury of a ready to play Palmer and a healthy McFadden, I think there’s more than a slight difference in circumstances.

    - Hue Jackson’s overall numbers in 2 years calling the plays here:

    An average of 24 ppg, very close to a top 10 unit in terms of scoring, the 2 years prior to Hue we averaged 14 ppg.

    Hue did it under very difficult circumstances, he dealt with:

    4 different QB’s started at least 1 game: Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller (finished the Cleveland game and played the 1st half of KC) and Carson Palmer.

    McFadden missing 40% of his tenure, 13 of 32 games.

    7 different players started games at WR: DHB, Murphy, Chaz, Ford, Moore, Hagan and JLH.

    4 different TE’s started games: Z. Miller, Myers, Gordon and Boss.

    Hue’s Offense performed while using 2 different blocking schemes, in 2010 Tom Cable was still the coach and his guy Jim Mychalzick coached the OL, 2010 was a transition period for the OL from ZBS to more man blocking and in 2011 Hue brought Bob Wylie and Wiz and we went power-man blocking completely.

    Last but not least, Hue did not have an off-season to work with as a Rookie Head Coach and never got to use Palmer & McFadden together.

    Someone posted a very telling stat, the Defense gave up at least 28 points in every single loss in 2011, it’s obvious where the problem was, isn’t it?.

    So considering all of the abover, Hue Jackson’s tenure running the Raiders Offense has to be considered a smashing success, yes he was not perfect and some stuff needed to be worked out, but numbers don’t lie.
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    What is really disturbing is people here act like this stuff never happened and Hue was just some bum who came in here and flamed out.
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    2000% agreed! Anybody ripping this guy’s accomplishments has an “agenda”.

  • Raider Riff

    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    781.lefty12 Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    I know this is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone has the same negative opinion of Knapp that you do.

    My opinion is open on Knapp. What I saw Mon. nite did not make me think he is the answer at OC.

    Of course it’s the players who have the ultimate responibility to get it done but the schemes must be in place to allow them to have a chance.

    A 5 yd. pass to a receiver who has someone draped all over him on a 3rd and 9 does not give us a chance at success.

    I admit i don’t know if that is a case of the receiver running a bad route or what…but it’s not good.

    You’re right. We have no choice but to run with Knapp cuz Reggie and DA are not gonna make any moves with lessening Knapp’s responsibilities so all we can do is HOPE we can get it done.

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    You have a much more pragmatic approach to Knapp now then you did at the beginning of the day. Kudos.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Bob Marley Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 6:50 am

    Now if you guys want to use a measuring stick on Offense, we have a telling one.

    The Raiders have played San Diego in 3 out of their last 9 games.

    Under Hue last year, weeks 10 and 17, we averaged 504 yards of Offense and 25 ppg without McFadden, under Knapp with Palmer and # 20 it was 321 yards and 14 points, zero TD’s until less than 2 minutes remained in the game and with San Diego protecing a 16 point lead
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    At least there are a few in here who keep it real. Bob your post are some of the best I’ve heard keep’em comin. As for all the Hue bashers your getting exactly what you deserve its just to bad us fans who really know what’s going on have to suffer along with you.