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Raiders piecing together secondary

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With no sign of Shawntae Spencer as practice got underway Friday, the Raiders went behind closed doors to prepare for life without both of their starting cornerbacks.

Spencer, still in a boot and on crutches Thursday, will likely be declared out today, joining Ron Bartell on the sidelines. Bartell is out with a broken shoulder blade suffered in the season opener.

Dennis Allen and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver will attempt to piece together a secondary to deal with a Pittsburgh Steelers’ offense which puts great strain on even experienced defensive backfields.

Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger does some of his best work against confused secondaries, breaking containment and throwing on the move.

“Our deal is, we’ve got NFL football players and we got to go out and play at a certain level and we hold all our guys accountable at the same level,’’ Allen said.

Exactly how the Raiders will line up is a secret. All Allen will say is that free safety Michael Huff has been working in different spots in the defensive backfield and that it’s a “next man up’’ philosophy.

Huff has played slot corner in the nickel defense before. He was told by the previous staff there was thought given to moving him to cornerback full time. Given the availability of Matt Giordano to fill in at free safety, having Huff on the move makes sense.

While Allen said there was no thought given by the current staff upon arrival for a position change, he said Huff has “speed and athleticism. That’s the biggest thing. You’ve got to be able to run and play out there on the edge and he can certainly do that.’’

Huff, normally a willing and available interview, has made himself scarce during media availability periods this week.

The Raiders’ biggest challenge will be on the two outside corners, given the way Pat Lee and Joselio Hanson struggled last week against Miami and Brian Hartline. Hanson arrived with the reputation of doing his best work as a slot corner.

Phillip Adams and Coye Francies are also cornerbacks on the roster but had only special teams responsibilities against Miami.

Considering the speed and skill of Pittsburgh receivers Antonio Brown and Mike Wallace, Roethlisberger the outside targets, whether it Lee and Hanson or Lee and Huff _ will be inviting.

Tarver was getting his first new look Thursday at cornerback Brandian Ross, claimed off the Packers practice squad, and it seems unlikely he’d have an immediate role.

“I like his movement,’’ Tarver said. “I don’t know much more than that. Reggie and Dennis know a lot more about him than I do. I’m looking forward to working with him.’’

Roethlisberger, in a conference call with Bay Area media, has noticed the difference in defensive philosophy.

“From what I’ve seen, it looks like they have started to throw some more zone coverages, where before it was like they just did a lot of lining up man-to-man and challenged you from that perspective,’’ Roethlisberger said.

— Middle linebacker Rolando McClain was on the field and going through drills with the first team, but cannot play until he has passed all cognitives tests. The Raiders didn’t learn of Jon Condo’s availability last week until Saturday.

Francies, who also had a concussion, was also on the field.

— Tackle Khalif Barnes (groin) was not at practice and will likely be declared “out’’ this afternoon, with Willie Smith filling in as the starter.

— Running back Mike Goodson, who has practiced all week and not been on the injury report, was a spectator on Friday.

– -Fans entering the stadium an hour before kickoff Sunday will be eligible to win prizes such as field passes, locker room tours, autographed memorabilia and Raider merchandise. Check Raiders.com for more details.

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Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • The Beeech Dawg

    YO YO YO BEEECH DIGGITY IN FULL EFFECT

    Whut up, Brahs, Dweebs, PMPP Homies

    The gay wannabee is probably either Peemore Nob Bust or Albert Bigelo Klas

    I’m leaning toward Albert because his sock puppet Klas is also super gay.

    Anyway, just got back from the pool and my frozen cucumber experiment went exactly as planned – I ended up dry humping a smokin’ Swedish MILF in the bushes near the jacuzzi (with the real Beeech Lawg, soaked the cucumber in a cup of ice) then did 10 laps with my new state-of-the-art rudder

    You KNOW the Beeech Diggity easily swam right down the middle of the pool, didn’t even come close to hitting the sides

    Brahs, gonna straight up market this thing and take this jam to the NEXT LEVEL

    HOLLA BACK YOUNG MC

  • When I saw news about Marcus lighting flame, Klas was like OMG, what?!!! It’s true though. Saw it on twitter reported by Guttierez. Maybe Shanahan will light the torch during his bye week.

  • DKnight007

    JT Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Doesn’t matter what side of the ‘did Hue deserve to get fired?’ debate you come down on…

    One thing you’ve got to admit is that he was exciting as hell.

    Raids clinging to a lead, time running short, need a first down to run out the clock or can play it close to the vest and just run and punt – you KNEW what crazy ass Hue was going to do…

    Ball was getting aired out. Not a doubt about it.

    Fake punts ? Saw more in one year of Hue than we did the previous 20.

    Fake FG’s. Tons of reverses his first year as OC.

    Hue took aggression to an unheard of level.

    Not a Greg Knapp bone in that crazy mofo’s entire body.

    Hue was rarely boring.

    Knapp’s a snoozer. And snoozers are generally losers.

    HC ? I don’t know. But I’d definitely roll with Hue as OC over Krapp any day of the week.

    Its not even close, Hue has been the best OC we had since Gruden days. But most raider fans here are very ignorant and dont get that.

    Hue ra reverses, a power running game, that O was fun to watch, if only Dmac was healthy with Palmer this year, Hue would have been 2-0 at this point.

    Knapp has directly been responsible for very boring play calls, that result in 3 and outs, and a bad 3rd down conversion rate.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep!

  • JT

    Guys,

    In a few weeks you will see the media writing about what we have been saying here since game 1, that Knapp destroyed this O…

    Even on this weekend NFL shows there will be probably insider talk about Knapp…

  • Dan78

    My guess its probably
    Peemore Nob Bust = Siemen bush

  • beeeech dawg

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead

    Vid will be all my blog brahs partying hard at the Ritz with the Beeecher, and his stripper legion of course. No gay stuff.

    Just a bunch of cool partiers getting down with cucumbers in our Speedos and getting rubdowns by the houseboy. Totally cool.

    When we totally get done watching each other make sweet love to the passed out strippers, we’ll sip some margs and skinny dip in the hot tub.

    PMPP!

  • DKnight007

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    The McK, Allen and Knapp apologists and Hue haters are praying for a miracle win Sunday so they won’t look so bad for another week.

    LOL

    —-

    So would that mean that those on the other side of the fence are praying for a loss?..

    Hmm..

    ^^^^^^^^
    Huh?

    Even if the team pulls out a miracle win vs Pitt, the season is still lost and is over!

    The mistake to let Hue go has already been validated.

  • MaxtallicA

    DKnight007 Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    MaxtallicA Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    We will win Sunday

    ^^^^^^
    haha…bet the house on it!

    __________________________

    What house? I’m a 47%er

  • beeeech dawg

    Dan78–cmon brah. It’s like in all my parties. You really can’t tell the difference and who cares who’s yanking your Lawg? Just close your eyes and dream of the cucumbers!

    KEEPING IT REAL! HOLLA!

  • Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead
    ————————-
    Are you telling us, they are all Handfkrs, too? Seriously?

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Dan Dawg

    Yeah, me and my multi-purpose frozen cucumber are leaning towards Nob Bust as well

    After the epic meltdown he suffered last week at the hands of the PMPP, he’s now accepted his fate as my humble minion

    You know what they say – imitation is the highest form of flattery. Mo fizzle

    Brahs, almost time for Rasta Ganja rehearsal. We leave tomorrow after an AM wake-n-bake for San Diego. Should be checked into the Catamaran by noon, macking on tanned honies by the pool by 1:30

    THATS JUST HOW THEM BIG DAWGS BARK

  • beeeech dawg

    KoolKell Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead
    ————————-
    Are you telling us, they are all Handfkrs, too? Seriously?

    *******************

    Back off dweeb. You would never know how to party like the PMPP. We know how to swing. Cucumbers, golden abs, and weed. Great combo to get rid of your inhibitions and party like a true Glam Rcok Star!

    WRECKS!

  • JT

    Reggie Mac, can you tell us why you fired Hue Jackson??

    Was it that offensive clinic he was running every week?

    LOL

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Lets just hope that Mark Davis request that KNAPP is no longer the OC

  • beeeech dawg

    All this cucumber and minion talk is getting the Lawg going again. Gonna lean back in the bean bag and rub one out while thinking of that totally awesome video concept for the BEEECH BOYZ. Ahhh!

    TWIZZLE!

  • The Beeech Dawg

    KoolKell Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead
    ————————-
    Are you telling us, they are all Handfkrs, too? Seriously?

    ————–

    Haha, only KrappyRat the Troll King would fall for this one

    Keep it up, old goat – please don’t every change!

  • downsouthraider

    Raiders 24
    Steelers 21
    Seabass wins it

  • RAIDERMAN99

    If there’s any way the dead can communicate with us and exert a physical influence on the living…

    Marcus Allen will be incinerated when he lights the flame.

  • RaiderLen

    Afternoon Fellas,

    Need a Win Sunday.
    I watched the Thursday PC’s with DA, Knapp, and Tarver.
    The Friday PC with DA as well.

    DA will let the ZBS play out. This Season and next, if need be.

    Knapp made some excuses for lack of production (valid or not), and owned not calling the right play in a specific circumstance.

    As frustrating as the lack of a running game and points is, I’m reserving judgment on the whole thing for now.

    Tarver was awesome, He’s shorthanded, but when he has the right mix of talent and brains in the personnel, we should be good on that side for as long as He’s around.

  • Brien, did you see the HBO Real Sports segment on fights at games? Bernie Goldberg thinks a breakdown of the church and family is the reason for the behavior of you and your fellow stadium goons. I tend to think it’s more of the job market. What’s your take? Lets hear it from the horse’s mouth.

  • beeeech dawg

    Spin off group for the NEW BEEECH BOYZ will be the Beeech Dawg and his Pound Pupps. Pound being a play on how much tail we pound. Vid will have us all in dog masks humping sweet strippers. Of course dogs are known to hump whatever dog is around so it will be a true party! Lovin’ my blog brahs! FOR REAL!

    PMPP!

  • Raider Dawg

    Arkraider Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    Dawg your 2 dollar bill defense sounds enticing, lord knows our DBs will need help, but with only 3 to cover the run, Pitt would run all over us! Nice idea but try again!

    ***********************************
    Ark,

    You missed what I was doing. This is still a 4-3 defense. You see, here I’m taking advantage of the scab refs’ inability to count.

    (Even if we played with only three down lineman and no LBs, it’s not like we could do much worse that the Miami game.)

  • Can anyone tell me how we are going to win this Sunday? Probably the biggest one on one is going to be Smith the new RT versus Woodley. The bad news is Woodley has been earning his pay as a pass rusher this season. The good news is without James Harrison, we can concentrate on Woodley.

  • beeeech dawg

    First single form the NEW BEEECH BOYZ will be called “Tossin’ the Salad”. Cucumbers will play a prominent role, if you know what I’m talking about. Totally a party and totally not gay. Seriously.

    PMPP!

  • I can tell you who’s even more upset than a lot of these Raider fans that miss the vertical offense: opposing defensive coordinators. They miss having that week off when playing the Raiders.

  • Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead
    ————————–
    Are you telling me Raider Len is absorbed with Turds Watching & Handfking, too?

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Any of my Blog Brahs around yesterday when Peemore Nob Bust forgot to switch handles and posted his sock puppet comment under his name?

    Man, that’s the best when he does that. Usually happens once or twice a month.

    The gift that keeps on giving. Holla.

  • JB

    NFL Football
    Vittorio Tafur

    Day after Raiders OC Greg Knapp preached patience with running game, Allen was asked how much patience he can have.

    “The big difference is, is I believe in the (zone blocking) system. I believe in what we’re doing. And when you believe in something, you stick to it and you have your patience with it. But it’s all about a belief. Most of the time, people, when they don’t believe in something, that’s when they want to make a lot of changes. I’ve got belief in it and it’s going to work.”
    ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
    To which I reply:
    What a load of crap! See if he feels the same way at the end of the season when he’s 0-16 and Reggie tells him sorry Dennis, you are a good guy but you are FIRED. He was brought in here to fix the defense and get to the playoffs. The offense wasn’t broken so why try to fix it? All he’s done so far is screw things up.His bringing Knapp in as OC will prove to be his undoing. His sticking to his beliefs are his prerogative. Just remember, the NFL also stands for “NOT FOR LONG”. He’s only going to get one chance to do it right. After that, it’s off with his head.

  • @ Raider Len. Do you toss the salad with Beecham, too? He says so. I need to hear it from you. I don’t believe it.

    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead

  • What’s amazing is there are teams that are worse than us against the run. Now Pittsburgh isn’t one of them, but still, they are not the run defending team we have seen in recent years. And they will not have Palomalu back there. So this does present some opportunities for the Raiders.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    KoolKell Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead
    ————————–
    Are you telling me Raider Len is absorbed with Turds Watching & Handfking, too?

    ————-

    KrappyRat the Troll King totally befuddled

    Probably krapped his long johns in all the confusion

    Awesome

  • poor biachi is in full melt down mode again.

  • Only one team in NFL history has gone 0-16, JB. Get a grip.

  • The Squealor interior offensive line has not played that well. That should present an opportunity for Seymour and Kelly who have played well.

  • @ DJ Johnny: Do you toss the salad with Beecham, too? He says so. I need to hear it from you. I don’t believe it.

    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead

  • The Beeech Dawg

    KoolKell Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    @ Raider Len. Do you toss the salad with Beecham, too? He says so. I need to hear it from you. I don’t believe it.

    KrappyRat feeling betrayed and demanding answers from strangers on a football blog

    Now you can see why the Old Troll was busy blogging on his anniversary

    Just keepin’ it real

  • RaiderLen

    To which I reply:
    What a load of crap! See if he feels the same way at the end of the season when he’s 0-16 and Reggie tells him sorry Dennis, you are a good guy but you are FIRED. He was brought in here to fix the defense and get to the playoffs. The offense wasn’t broken so why try to fix it? All he’s done so far is screw things up.His bringing Knapp in as OC will prove to be his undoing. His sticking to his beliefs are his prerogative. Just remember, the NFL also stands for “NOT FOR LONG”. He’s only going to get one chance to do it right. After that, it’s off with his head.
    ———————————-
    Not For Long is real.
    Not for long with Al was a Season or Two.
    With Reggie and Mark, it will be longer.
    Reggie and DA communicate.
    I presume Reggie vetted Allen’s decision to go with Knapp and the ZBS.
    If DA, as a Defensive coach “believes” in a system, I’d hope it comes from his perspective as to what’s involved in preparing for it, and the problems it can cause an opposing D coordinator.

    Speculation on my part.

    I’m willing to see what develops, or not, at this point.

  • JT

    Seymour Bush Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    What’s amazing is there are teams that are worse than us against the run. Now Pittsburgh isn’t one of them, but still, they are not the run defending team we have seen in recent years. And they will not have Palomalu back there. So this does present some opportunities for the Raiders.


    an optimist are you.

    Lets be objective. Do you think raiders coach, Greg Knapp will outcoach Dick Lebeau?…

    Really?

    Wow…

  • RaiderLen

    Do you toss the salad with Beecham, too? He says so. I need to hear it from you. I don’t believe it.

    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead

  • RaiderLen

    KoolKell Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    @ Raider Len. Do you toss the salad with Beecham, too? He says so. I need to hear it from you. I don’t believe it.

    Beeeech Dawg Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Thinking about putting out a new music vid from my newest hitmakers, The NEW BEEECH BOYZ:

    DJ Johnny

    Raider O

    Hardline (aka Big Nasty)

    DMAC
R8ER Mike
    
Bo Schembechler Jackson
    
Dan78
    
Hwnrdr

    Hairy Bush

    RaiderLen

    Plunketthead
    0——————————

    LOL!

    Kell, I made a rhyme about McFadden months ago.

    That’s my claim to Beech Dawg Fame.

    I wouldn’t worry.

  • JT Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    What’s amazing is there are teams that are worse than us against the run. Now Pittsburgh isn’t one of them, but still, they are not the run defending team we have seen in recent years. And they will not have Palomalu back there. So this does present some opportunities for the Raiders.


    an optimist are you.

    Lets be objective. Do you think raiders coach, Greg Knapp will outcoach Dick Lebeau?…

    Really?

    Wow…
    =========================================

    Excellent point. LeBeau is one of the best tacticians in the league, so no. But I do believe they will let Palmer dictate more of the calls at the LOS, which will negatively impact both LeBeau AND Knapp.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Just smoked hella sweet skunk weed and now rolling doobies for the Rasta Ganja show tomorrow night

    Pretty sure I’ll sample a few in a few minutes when I pop on Friday the 13th Part 5 a new beginning

    This flick sucks so bad I’m pretty sure I’ll be having a new beginning – in my swim trunks

    If you know what I am talking about

    WRECKS N EFFECT

  • Ok good RaiderLen. I needed to hear it from you. Take care.

    Go Raiders. 😉

  • AmysInCharge

    Hey old man Kell,..what section you watching the game from sunday?…of course I mean what section of your couch,..you old idiot. Youre about as dumb as Big Dummy Reggie. 😉

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Len Brah, way to calm down the Old Troll

    Otherwise he’d be way too rattled to chauffeur KrappyWife and Her Bowl Cut home from work

    PMPP N FULL EFFECT

  • Dan78

    Hey Kow Kell go sell some more swamp land

  • Well Quite frankly, this Pittsburgh game is the kind of game the Raiders could win in the past, after losing games they were supposed to win……….

  • DKnight007

    JB Says:
    September 21st, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    NFL Football
    Vittorio Tafur

    Day after Raiders OC Greg Knapp preached patience with running game, Allen was asked how much patience he can have.

    “The big difference is, is I believe in the (zone blocking) system. I believe in what we’re doing. And when you believe in something, you stick to it and you have your patience with it. But it’s all about a belief. Most of the time, people, when they don’t believe in something, that’s when they want to make a lot of changes. I’ve got belief in it and it’s going to work.”

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Allens stubborness and stupidity will lead to his undoing.

    Sad. What a waste of a year!

  • DKnight007

    We have a coach who is to stubborn to make the necessary adjustments to give his team a chance to win football games.

    Lame!