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Raiders makeover continues in earnest

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, September 26th, 2012 at 4:43 pm in Oakland Raiders.

My, how things have changed in such a short period of time for the Raiders. The latest move came today, when the Raiders waived second-year offensive tackle Joseph Barksdale, one of Oakland’s two third-round picks in the 2011 NFL draft, and signed veteran defensive end Andre Carter.
It’s just the latest in a growing series of moves by first-year general manager Reggie McKenzie in his reshaping of the Raiders 53-man roster.
Since he arrived, McKenzie has jettisoned six players selected by the Raiders under late managing general partner Al Davis between 2005-11. Here’s a look at those players:

Player Position Year drafted/round Transaction
DeMarcus Van Dyke Cornerback 2011/3rd Waived
Joseph Barksdale Offensive tackle 2011/3rd Waived
Chimdi Chekwa Cornerback 2011/4th Waived
Bruce Campbell Offensive tackle 2010/4th Traded
Louis Murphy Wide receiver 2009/4th Traded
Stanford Routt Cornerback 2005/2nd Waived

Of the aforementioned six, only Routt and Murphy produced in games on a consistent basis. McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen wasted little time in parting ways with the four others.
It remains to be seen whether this amounts to change for change’s sake or whether McKenzie and Allen are improving the roster.
Allen is convinced that these are moves that make the Raiders more competitive.
“Eventually there’s a point in time where you move on from everybody,” Allen said. “It’s never an easy decision. There’s always a lot of thought that goes in. There’s only 53 spots that we have on the active roster, and we’ve got to try and do whatever we can to fill those spots with the best 53 guys that we think give us the best chance to win on Sundays.”
Barksdale and Campbell didn’t get much of an opportunity to show what they can do in games. Chekwa remains on the practice squad, but he keeps getting passed over for other cornerbacks. Van Dyke played sparingly last season before he was waived and then signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

– Allen said wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was at the team facility today, undergoing tests to see how he is recovering from the concussion he suffered Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
By the way, Steelers safety Ryan Mundy was fined $21,000 by the league for his helmet-to-helmet hit on Heyward-Bey early in the fourth quarter.
Heyward-Bey did not practice. However, he participated in team meetings and is on his way to a full recovery. It’s unlikely that he will play Sunday against the Denver Broncos.

– Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp admitted during offseason workouts that tight end was a position of concern entering training camp. Not anymore.
Through three games, Brandon Myers, David Ausberry and Richard Gordon have combined for 19 receptions for 263 and one touchdown. Kevin Boss, Myers and Ausberry had only six receptions for 62 yards and no touchdowns through three games last season.
“That’s been a position that was a little bit of a question mark coming into the season,” Allen said. “So the fact that we’ve gotten some production out of those guys, and all of them have had production in their own way and they’ve brought different aspects to our offense, that’s been a positive.”
Myers has caught all 15 passes thrown his way the first three games. Others might be surprised at how well he has played. Yet, Myers said in recent years that he was confident he could play at a high level if given the chance.
That chance came and went last season, when the Raiders signed Kevin Boss one day after incumbent starter Zach Miller signed with the Seattle Seahawks.
“You never know what’s going to happen, especially with a new organization and new coaches and things like that,” Myers said. “For them to do that, it was on us to step up in the games and make plays. So far, we’ve done that.”
Quarterback Carson Palmer raves about Myers, saying he is faster than people think and has the best hands on the team.
“He’s got unbelievable hands,” Palmer said. “He’s kind of a sleeper. … He makes diving catches, one-handed catches. You don’t ever see him drop anything.”
Palmer said Myers also understands how to set up routes, find the soft spot in zone coverage and get in position to make plays.
“Just, really, a solid, all-around player,” Palmer said. “And he can block too, which a lot of times you get a guy that’s really good at one thing and struggles at the other. Brandon’s really balanced in the passing and running game.”

– Outside linebacker Aaron Curry is on the physically unable to perform list for at least three more weeks with sore knees. On Wednesday, Curry worked off to the side, while his teammates practiced.
“He was out here running around again today,” Allen said. “We still got some time with him. He’s looking better and whenever we get to that point in time where we got to make a decision, then we’ll be ready to make the decision.”
Curry declined an interview request today, saying he isn’t allowed to talk about his injury.
If so, seems rather curious that he Tweeted the other day how treatment he is receiving from someone in Danville is having a positive effect.

– People are quick to criticize Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning for not being the same player he was with the Indianapolis Colts and before the four neck surgeries.
For our money, we’ll listen to Broncos coach John Fox and Allen.
Fox: “The people that look at the tape and study it would think it’s semi-comical,” Fox said of people questioning Manning’s arm strength.
Allen: “I’m not falling into that trap,” Allen said. “He’s Peyton Manning. He’s a Hall of Fame quarterback. There’s no way that we’re going to, in any way, say that he’s not the same quarterback that he’s been. I’ve watched the tape. He’s still an outstanding quarterback. He’s operating that offense, and I don’t really see much of a dropoff of where he’s been before. He’s still an outstanding quarterback.”
And Manning’s assessment?
“I have our coaches’ analysis that kind of is between us, the players and the coaches, and we have things that we’re working on, and things that we’re trying to correct and things we’re trying to improve on,” Manning said. “So, I’m not really into giving an after-three-game analysis, or sharing that publicly anyway.”
Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain grew up watching Manning. He said he didn’t realize the full scope of Manning’s mastery of the offense until he played against him.
“He’s just amazing,” McClain said. “As a kid, I watched always Peyton Manning and the Colts, but I never played him. Then you get in the NFL and you’re like, ‘Does he really make this many checks?’ He does. It’s crazy. I was amazed. He’s an amazing player.
“They had a rough start to the season but, at the end of the day, he’s still Peyton Manning. He still has all the ability in the world. We have a good game plan. We have to go out there and execute and do some things he hasn’t seen and make it kind of hard for him. You just have to execute and play your best.”

– The New England Patriots used the No. 6 pick in the 2001 NFL draft on defensive lineman Richard Seymour. One pick later, the 49ers selected defensive end Andre Carter.
Now, both players are on the Raiders. Seymour said the addition of Carter gives the Raiders more juice in their defensive line rotation.
“Definitely some leadership, for sure,” Seymour said. :He’ll be instrumental. He’s a proven guy in this league. Obviously, it will take some times to get his legs under him, but he’s a guy that’s shown he can rush the passer and that will be essential for us.”
Carter worked out twice for the Raiders before signing today. He recorded 10 sacks for the Patriots last season despite missing the final two regular-season games with a quadriceps injury.
He said he is ready to roll right now, though it’s unclear whether he will be in shape to play as soon as this Sunday.
“If I wasn’t ready, then I wouldn’t be here,” Carter said. “Obviously they signed me, and I was glad to be a part of this great organization, and we’ll just take it day by day.”
Carter said he also worked out for the Arizona Cardinals and St. Louis Rams, with the Patriots in the mix, too. Ultimately, he decided to return to his Bay Area roots.
“I had a lot of friends who said, ‘You crossed over to the dark side,’ ” Carter said. “Everything comes full circle. Where I’m at in my career, why not be back in the Bay Area where it all started for me? A lot of good memories from the time I played at Oak Grove High School to being a Cal Bear to being a 49er. Being the last draft class of Bill Walsh is something I hold dear and just continue to play this game.”
Defensive lineman Desmond Bryant said he is fortunate to have learned from the likes of Greg Ellis, Gerard Warren, Seymour and Tommy Kelly. Now, he’s looking forward to gleaning some pointers from Carter, too.
“As a defensive lineman, we always like to have more guys that can get the job done,” Bryant said. “When you have those guys in there, you’re not going to have to play as much, so that will help you not get tired as much and help you be more effective for the entire game. So, yeah, anytime you can add to a rotation, especially pass-rush situations, the better off you are as a defense and team.”
Carter recorded 76 sacks his first 11 seasons. He also played for the Patriots and Washington Redskins. The Raiders recorded only three sacks in their first three games.

– Raiders free safety Michael Huff picked a fine time to convert to cornerback. He faced Ben Roethlisberger in his first game, last Sunday. This Sunday, he gets to face Manning.
“Got thrown in the fire, kind of learned a lot last week,” Huff said. “Had my growing pains on a few plays, obviously should have played better, got to hold up better on the outside. But luckily we got the W and that week’s over, so I can learn from that film and get better this week.”
Huff started at cornerback at Texas quite a bit his freshman and sophomore seasons. By the tail end of his collegiate career, he played mostly safety.
Allen said he expects Huff to make strides this week, building off the things he did against the Steelers. Huff said he already noticed that he played too far off the receiver at times.
“It’s been so long since I was out there,” Huff said, “and on game time, I looked back and I lined up sometimes 10, 12 yards off, when I really wasn’t probably paying attention to it. But this week, I’ll be more focused on my depth on certain things so definitely this week will be better.”
Former Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha texted Huff afterward and offered a stern critique, Huff said.
“He has high expectations for me, so he didn’t cut me any slack,” Huff said.

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  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    Just reading ’bout that Mays hit…….and he’s appealing against the suspension!

  • Marks hair

    We havent earned any love.

  • hwnrdr

    neilb Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 7:58 am
    Just reading ’bout that Mays hit…….and he’s appealing against the suspension!

    I know right?

  • Marks hair

    Rain? Its been 95 – 110 here for the last 5 months.. rain sounds nice

  • Raiderbuck

    Violent Hands Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Steeler fans crying Wheeler should get fined

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/9/27/3416536/steelers-week-3-gifs-ben-roethlisberger-low-hit-raiders-phillip-wheeler?
    ********************************************
    The Steeler O-Lineman was the one that pushed him when he was on the ground.

  • Marks hair

    Any see southpark rape the nfl last nite? Pretty funny

  • Marks hair

    Nobodys talkin.. no wonder the racist trolls took over so easy last nite.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Chris In NY Says:
    September 26th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    Of the six noted above, Routt was making too much and Barksdale was a bad ZBS fit and might not have the determination to emerge at this level.

    The other four were clearly mistakes by Sir Chubby Checker.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LMFAO

    I don’t know if you’re HueJax’s cousin or what, but when he was fired you completely lost the plot, dude. You went from one of the more clear, level headed thinkers around these parts to someone I’m pretty sure keeps a Hue Jackson shrine in his basement.

    DeMarcus Van Dyke cleared waivers and was signed by the Steelers to play special teams. Palmer was chewing up their secondary in the second half last week, yet Tomlin & LeBeau still didn’t play him for a snap.

    Louis Murphy is no improvement on any receiver on this team. Not a bad guy, but a 4th/5th receiver and those are interchangeable on most teams.

    Bruce Campbell rides the bench in Carolina while Mike Goodson has been a real contributor in Oakland.

    Chimdi Chekwa is still a Raider, just being allowed to develop on the practice squad.

    I don’t know how firing Hue could translate to Reggie pizzing fire into your breakfast cereal, but enough is enough, man.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Bob Marley Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 7:41 am
    Forgot Shaugnessy who could also play End in a 3-4 or at least be a part of the rotation, he has gotten bigger since College and now stands at 6′5 285 so size souldn’t be a big issue since he plays the run well outside, hopefully he can play it well in the “5″ technique too.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think part of Shaugnessy’s problem is that he’s bulked up to 5 tech/left end size. He’s not nearly as fast as he used to be. The Raiders don’t really have a pure 4-3 RDE on the roster.

  • hwnrdr

    PA, what’s up man? Celebrated the victory over the Steelers? Could be me but haven’t seen you on here in a few days :)

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Hwnrdr,

    What’s up, dude? Celebrated that victory BIG TIME. Been on vacation…still am, actually, but my daughter’s sick today so we’re staying inside with her and I’ve got time to kill.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    I don’t know if anyone’s doing predictions tracking hereabouts anymore, but put me down for Raiders 30 – Donks 28

  • hwnrdr

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 8:35 am
    Hwnrdr,

    What’s up, dude? Celebrated that victory BIG TIME. Been on vacation…still am, actually, but my daughter’s sick today so we’re staying inside with her and I’ve got time to kill.

    Nice! Enjoy the vacay man! Leaving tomorrow evening for Honolulu, so I guess I will be in and out of here as well…and most likely not in the early AM. 3 hours behind back home…

  • Globetrot69

    Where in the he!! can I get some Killians Red??? I live in Chico! Its Sierra Nevada or bust up here! SN is awesome but it looks like Killians is the way to go Sunday!

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    neilb Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    LMN!!!!!

    You watching the Liverpool behind the scenes show that’s on Fridays overhere.
    ________________________________________________________

    nopes, never even heard about it

  • elraidmanhattan

    That guy Chris NY lost it, has no clue what he is talking about, anyone missing Murphy better get a life, and Van Dyke sorry, no brains!

  • elraidmanhattan

    Chri still misses Hue, well Hopefully Hue will send Chris a nice Christmas card.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    as much as i hate to admit it, i expect peyton to destroy our weak zone defense with even weaker corners….thanks reggie

  • Al_is_theraiders

    chris is smart enough to look through the con job reggie sold to mark davis

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Louis Murphy is no improvement on any receiver on this team. Not a bad guy, but a 4th/5th receiver and those are interchangeable on most teams.

    Bruce Campbell rides the bench in Carolina while Mike Goodson has been a real contributor in Oakland.

    ================================================

    Louis Murphy’s 4 catches would rank 8th on our team right now, and 5th amongst our wideouts. We’ll get more value out of the 7th-rounder the Panthers gave up for him.

    As for Campbell: Last Thursday, the Panthers’ starting RT missed the game, but Campbell STILL didn’t play; they used their other backup tackle instead, which means Campbell’s buried to Barksdale-level on their chart. Goodson’s actually helped us. No-brainer as to who got the better deal.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 8:51 am
    as much as i hate to admit it, i expect peyton to destroy our weak zone defense with even weaker corners….thanks reggie

    =============================================

    That remains to be seen. Al’s bump-and-run would have been shredded by Peyton, no doubt.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    To any Sons of Anarchy fans out there: Johnny “Half-Sack” Lewis killed his landlady yesterday and then took his own life. Very sad story and a very troubled young man. Especially sad that he saw the need to take someone else with him.

    http://todayentertainment.today.com/_news/2012/09/27/14124188-sons-of-anarchy-actor-dies-in-fall-is-suspect-in-landladys-death

  • Twinkle

    Morning all……C’mon Al tell us what you really think.
    Don’t hold back.lol.
    I must say though that I’m not looking forward to week 12 at Cinci.I’m a Huejax fanboy and loved the ballsy
    play calling….He would take what they gave.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Hey RaiderDuck, stop using logic and facts! :) lol

  • Twinkle

    RaiderDuck Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 8:51 am
    as much as i hate to admit it, i expect peyton to destroy our weak zone defense with even weaker corners….thanks reggie

    =============================================

    That remains to be seen. Al’s bump-and-run would have been shredded by Peyton, no doubt.
    ***********************************
    Not so.We gave him all kinds of problems.He never saw man that often and that was all we played.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    I must say though that I’m not looking forward to week 12 at Cinci.

    +++++++++++++

    I am. Palmer is going to play the game of his life.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Twinkle Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Not so. We gave him all kinds of problems. He never saw man that often and that was all we played.

    ==========================================

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/game_query.cgi?tm1=rai&tm2=clt&yr=all

    We’ve played Peyton three times in the last decade, and the only time he DIDN’T hang 30 points on us was in late 2007 when Dungy had his team in full “Don’t Get Anyone Hurt Before the Playoffs” mode.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    our zone covg defense is horrendous….press man makes peyton have to throw a perfect ball with lots of zip(that he no longer has)…ben rothisburger passed for how many yards?

  • Al_is_theraiders

    kyle orton and casell can shred this defense….are you really suggesting joselio hansen and pat lee are a playoff combo of corners….cmon man.

  • ghostraiders

    I cant remember ever beating Peyton Manning teams… Have we ever beaten him?? Anyway.. maybe this is the week.. one good hard hit to the and he’s OUT!! I also dont expect the real refs to cut us the same break that the footlocker refs did..we only had 3 penalties last week vs pitt, and thats not bad at all.. I miss them already!!

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:19 am
    kyle orton and casell can shred this defense….are you really suggesting joselio hansen and pat lee are a playoff combo of corners….cmon man.

    =============================================

    No, I’m not suggesting that. Reggie cannot reasonably be blamed for both his starting corners being knocked out with injuries that neither ever had before. You take ANY team in the league and knock out both their starting CBs, and they’ll be scrambling for answers, just like we are.

    However, surely YOU can’t be suggesting that putting Hanson and Lee out there on bump-and-run islands is the way to go????

  • Al_is_theraiders

    biekert figured out his calls and we beat him in the 2nd half a while ago…

  • Al_is_theraiders

    but bartell and spencer are slightly better for the extra 15 minutes they are on the field before they get hurt….

  • Twinkle

    I don’t doubt it PA but we are starting to look like Foutsie’s Chargers.Could be a problem if we have to score 34 to win by 3.Add the fact that Cinci won’t be short of film on CP and the jetlag….I dunno

  • Al_is_theraiders

    my point is dvd with chekwa in press man wouldve shouldve been the plan…not this zone crap….how many yards did ben pass for? how many tds? even a declining rivers had a great day against this d

  • The Big Banana

    No score predictions. Bringing bad mojo to our Raiders with all your overconfidence. Let’s try something new this week. Predictions of total penalties and penalties called on each team. Tie breaker is total penalty yards.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:26 am
    my point is dvd with chekwa in press man wouldve shouldve been the plan

    ++++++++++++++++

    LMAO

    Anyone who takes you seriously after this statement is nuts.

    Two minimally talented jokers playing on islands is the preferred solution. Right.

  • Twinkle

    Duck…statistics,more statistics and damn lies…lol.
    The games were close bar the 2004 game and Indy was beating up pretty much everyone ‘cept Boston.We fared better than most.PM loves tearing up zone D’s.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:26 am
    my point is dvd with chekwa in press man wouldve shouldve been the plan…not this zone crap….how many yards did ben pass for? how many tds? even a declining rivers had a great day against this d

    ==============================================

    DVD and Chekwa in press man would be TORCHED against a good QB. I’m talking 500 yards passing here.

    As for “great day,” Rivers only threw for 231 yards against us.

  • Twinkle

    Al it was only a quarter mile and all he could manage was four TD’s.

  • The Big Banana

    Name………………………total………Raiders………Donks………total yards

    The Big Banana………..16…………9……………….7……………..155

  • The Big Banana

    Lol, that didn’t work out so well…

  • Twinkle

    Hey Ref’s.Stick to your guns men.Don’t let the owners roll you.
    Last week was the first time since 91 that we scored on every possession in a half.Were the Refs on strike in 91 also?

  • Twinkle

    The Big Banana Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Name………………………total………Raiders………Donks………total yards

    The Big Banana………..16…………9……………….7……………..155
    ***************************
    And your predictions for the other 3 quarters?

  • Charlie

    Duck

    See my post on 343.
    Reggie is dealing with a mess and I understand that.
    There is a reason why free agents are free agents.
    Injuries are one of them.

    When we start to draft real football players we will be able to dig ourselves out of this personnel disaster.

  • The Big Banana

    Twinkle Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:44 am
    The Big Banana Says:
    September 27th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Name………………………total………Raiders………Donks………total yards

    The Big Banana………..16…………9……………….7……………..155
    ***************************
    And your predictions for the other 3 quarters?

    ———

    Lol. Do we know who’s refereeing the game? I guess I should depend it on that. If Triplette or Huchuli, double all my numbers.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    duck is a zone freak…he cant understand what he sees..,if ben put those numbers up, i cant imagine what manning or brees will put up…

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Base D:
    RDE: Shaughnessy
    DT: Seymour
    DT: TK
    LDE: Houston

    Nickel D:
    RDE: Carter
    DT: Seymour/ Bryant
    DT: TK/ Houston
    LDE: Shaughnessy

    Backup DT: Bilukidi
    Backup DEs: Tollefson, Crawford

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    aaaa

  • RaiderRetribution

    What did I tell all of you?