Raiders lose all momentum in lopsided loss vs. Broncos
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, September 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders get a week off on the heels of their 37-6 loss to the Denver Broncos on Sunday. Good thing, too, because the Raiders need all the time they can get for self reflection.
That’s typically what teams do during the bye week, anyway. The Raiders aren’t going to like much of what they see when they look in the figurative mirror, either.
Their performance Sunday against the Broncos was a microcosm for the first quarter of the Raiders season, in which they won only one game.
Here’s what the Raiders are going to see:
1. A defense that can’t get off the field or keep opponents out of the end zone on a consistent basis.
The Raiders allowed 125 points their first four games. That’s more than any Raiders team allowed during the first four games of a season during the Al Davis era.
2. A rushing attack that is all but toothless despite a running back, Darren McFadden, that many consider the best in the NFL.
On Sunday, McFadden rushed for 34 yards on 13 carries, for a 2.8-yard average. So far, he has rushed for 201 yards on 57 carries (3.4).
However, if you take away the 64-yarder he had against the Pittsburgh Steelers, McFadden is averaging a paltry 2.4.
It’s not just McFadden, either. Mike Goodson hasn’t done much running the ball, either. And second-year back Taiwan Jones hasn’t run the ball at all this season — he was part of a botched exchange on a reverse in the regular-season opener.
3. A defense that can’t generate consistent pressure on the quarterback.
The Raiders have three sacks through four games this season. The reasons are many. However, it’s apparent that the Raiders can’t rely upon getting consistent pressure with a four-man rush.
Signing veteran end Andre Carter figures to help, even if his arrival isn’t a panacea. Playing against quarterbacks not named Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning also works in the Raiders favor.
Getting back starting cornerbacks Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer also would allow the Raiders to blitz more, without fear of backup cornerbacks breaking down in coverage.
4. An offense capable of moving the ball but unable to cash in touchdowns on a regular basis.
Through four games, the Raiders have scored only 68 yards, with half of those coming against the Steelers.
Again, the problems are many in this regard. The inability to run the ball well, the lack of a go-to receiver, perhaps play-calling, you name it.
– On the bright side, the Raiders committed only five penalties for 41 yards. That’s in keeping with their disciplined ways the first three games.
The Raiders stand at 19 penalties for 143 yards through four games. Very impressive. Penalties aren’t a hot topic around here, in a negative light, for the first time in many, many years.
Hey, it’s a nice start.
– General manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen are working hard in an attempt to overhaul the 53-man roster. One thing they have learned, for sure, is that positive change doesn’t happen overnight.
Outside linebacker Philip Wheeler is the only new player that is playing at a very high level game in, game out.
Right guard Mike Brisiel, right offensive tackle Willie Smith and others such as cornerbacks Bartell, Spencer and Pat Lee and Goodson either haven’t played enough to provide an accuate gauge into their long-term value or haven’t played well enough to make a marked difference in the overall picture.
So it is that McKenzie and Allen will spend inordinate time this week taking more hard looks at the roster and seeing what they can do about upgrading the talent level.
They no doubt will be careful about making any knee-jerk responses to one game. That would be easy to do after such a thorough thrashing against the Broncos.
Right now, it’s about perspective. The Raiders are in rebuilding mode, regardless what they say publicly. Teams going through such a process experience growing pains that sometimes manifest themselves in the form of lopsided games.
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September 30th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Hey how bout that modern defense we got this year. That new scheme is all the rage right right ……right!!
September 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Patience????
September 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Momentum was lost in MARCH when they hired Knapp
September 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Did you see the energy and passion that Brian Dawkins (retired) came out of that tunnel and got the whole stadium fired up.
Raiders have NO ONE like that….no leader on the field..not a one!
No emotional leader at all…..
And that’s why its ok in Raider land for players to go entire games without making a play
September 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Eat that quack….but zone covg is the way too go…buncha Midwest no nothing’s….
“The Raiders allowed 125 points their first four games. That’s more than any Raiders team allowed during the first four games of a season during the Al Davis”
September 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Since the day AL DAVIS died this defense has been HORRIBLE!!!…………PERIOD
September 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Quack is happy with this team…a high school team has better staff than what Reggie mcslow put together…0-2 vs AFDC west….
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Like you even know anything about football. Whatever, pal. Now go spank it to your Urkel poster.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Please all Reggie/da/Krappy bootlickers pick up your pants…they just fd you….
September 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Keep it real folks.
You all know that defense was JUNK going in.
Seriously….you are not fixing that in 1 year….I don’t care who you brought in…and that would include names going back to the Hall of Fame.
That defense needed serious help
September 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I know that I told you zone defense is sorry and that zbs is horrible and that Reggie can’t pick players….
September 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RaiderDuck,
McFadden is a “system back”? He’s not an elite running back. That has to be the bath salts talking. DMAC averages 7 yards a carry vs. the Broncos. But he is just an average running back? I don’t even know where to start. You have lost your mind.
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He averages big yards (when healthy) in angle blocking.
He is very mediocre in zone blocking.
That means he’s a SYSTEM BACK. He runs well in a particular system, hence the name.
An elite back would be getting at least some yards regardless instead of averaging 2.5 yards/carry.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
All but one of the starters from last year’s line returned this year. This coaching staff/management decided they knew better and switched them around as well as changed to an entirely different scheme to which the players are not suited.
2012
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle
C – Wisniewski
RG – Briesel
RT – Barnes
2011
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wisniewski
C – Satele
RG – Carlisle
RT – Barnes
2011 – Up to the day McFadden got injured #1 rushing team in the league. High powered offense even with the moron Campbell at QB
2012 – Same offensive linemen, healthy significantly better Palmer at QB, healthy McFadden. Worst team in the NFL.
How do you not blame the brand new Owner, Head Coach, and GM??? The 2011 team was leading most of the games we lost going into the 3rd or 4th qtr and lost mostly due to bombastic prevent defense by Bresnahan. Why such faithful loyalty to these three imbeciles! All they have shown you so far is unmitigated failure after failure!
Regardless of whether we kept Hue, or hired Allen. Knapp implements the offense Allen wants, so to blame him is pointless. We should have fixed the problems with out 2ndary and continue to roll on with the success we already had on offense.
99% of the blame should be placed at the feet of the three stooges.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
MAN, Im tired of being right! Reggie sucks.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I am more disgusted by the lack of passion that these “players” display week in and week out.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Yeah, the bump and run would have stopped a Peyton Manning who was staring down the barrel of 1-3, especially with our banged up secondary.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
put your pants on quack, Sullivan, and other bootlickers
September 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
With Al’s bump and run, Bronco’s win 50-6.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
No talent.Just dont have very many play makers.Reggie blew it.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
These idiots (Reggie) let the talent walk away and replaced them with delivery truck drivers…no you can’t play man with these guys…these guys belong on practice squads… This is Reggie krap
September 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Knapp has to go. And this is the ONLY week it’s even possible. Not that it will happen, but oh boy, do I wish it would. Worst game I’ve ever had to sit through in person and watch. I’m embarrassed.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Want to see real football?…this sunday, Candlestick Park…ya heard me?
September 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Frkn embarrassing… These guys still make excuses for the clueless…
September 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
These idiots (Reggie) let the talent walk away and replaced them with delivery truck drivers
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Please list the names of this “talent” he let walk away
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Reggie = failure.In every sense of the word.Missing Hue Jackson,I dont dont care what any of you fkn Reggie lovers say.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
No use complaining about Knapp….
Its DA’s team.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Dammit Angels gettin smashed 8-4 now…well 2 games back with 3 vs texas….let’s go Oakland A’s
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
These idiots (Reggie) let the talent walk away and replaced them with delivery truck drivers…no you can’t play man with these guys…these guys belong on practice squads… This is Reggie krap
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Okay, Internet Tough Guy. What “Talent” did Reggie let get away? Specific names, please. I would expect these players to now have excellent statistics with their new winning teams. So go ahead and name them. We’re waiting.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
This is some of the nonsense I’m talking about….
Raiderinparadise Says:
September 27th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
To be honest I think our defense wins the game Sunday.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
LOLOLOLOLOL
Who are the STUDS we let walk from last year that would be making a difference on defense????
90% of the starters on this team were not brought here by the new GM.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
oakfoshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Reggie = failure.In every sense of the word.Missing Hue Jackson,I dont dont care what any of you fkn Reggie lovers say.
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You might as well pick another team.
I don’t see DA, Reggie or Knapp going anywhere for at least 2 to 3 years
September 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Reggie = failure.In every sense of the word.Missing Hue Jackson,I dont dont care what any of you fkn Reggie lovers say.
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So go root for another team.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
#27 REGGIES A FKN IDIOT!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???
September 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Gots ta roll,..Boardwalk Empire bout to start…Go A`s!…and like I said, Niners reppin the bay area right,…so, just watch the game this sunday, it will look nothing like what you sat through today. Word.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
#31 Dont worry about what team I root for Reggie lover.Go suck on that bottom lip some more jackass!
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Who are the playmakers Reggie passed on????
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Anyway. Bye week, then. @Atlanta. Sounds scary. But I think if Falcons lose next week in Washington, the implosion factor could kick in for them. And the Raiders will be rested and hungry for a win. I don’t see the Raiders knocking off an unbeaten team, though. So can’t make the call till next week.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
#31 Dont worry about what team I root for Reggie lover.Go suck on that bottom lip some more jackass!
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Oooooh. And racist, too. Does your mother know you’re a KKK wannabe?
September 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I think I can cover better than Joselio Hanson and Pat Lee…..and I can also jog around just like Slow
September 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
#9 in total offense before Reggie.Nuff said.Stop makeing excuses for this skunkape.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
The main thing McFatass needed to change was the conerbacks and some help at LB. Granted, Philip Wheeler is a damn good LB. But where are the upgrades at CB? Spencer, Bartell, Lee, Hansen?? As much as I complained about Routt and Johnson, at least they were NFL calibur players (barely) These clowns do not belong in the NFL. How is a guy like Goriando a starter on an NFL team?
Wasn’t Reggie supposed to be a player personnel genious? Idiot!
September 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Want to see real football?…this sunday, Candlestick Park…ya heard me?
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Sad cuz I hate SF…but that team has better coaches and everything than we do…Harbaugh got it correct instantly over there…but you got hacks and DA ass kissers saying it will take time and be patient….fk outta here…..you can turn things around quickly if you do things correctly…this regime has been garbage from the day Reggie’s mumbling ass had the presser in alameda
September 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Your mother knows how big my shaft is.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
No use complaining about Knapp….
Its DA’s team.
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You know what.. you’re right. The whole coaching staff is a fk’n disaster! wasn’t DA supposed to fix our Defense. Give is a much needed “update”? We look just as bad if not worse than last year on D.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
The whiners D got me 27 pts today, other than that eff the whiners
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
What cornerbacks on the market should the Raiders have brought in that would have fit under the salary cap?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Jets were coming off a win.
9ers were coming off a loss.
That simple.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
anybody passing blame on palmer is a fool. the scheme doesnt fit the oline is crap once again under the new regime. palmer is the only bright spot i see out there did you see the throw to moore under pressure down the sideline that was a GREAT throw can you imagine what he would be doing in hueys o.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I’ll name them with pleasure. Routt, Bush, DVD, Murphy, Barksdale, Big sent to trade for Goodson. I would even go get CJ and I would make up for the loss of Wimbley somehow but I would get an EDGE RUSHER…
You guys who point to the money are suckers because the money isn’t as much an issue as they say it is. It’s an excuse. These guys that replaced those players haven’t shown anything yet and it’s FOUR GAMES in.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Salary cap my ass.Shut up with that sht.Al never had a problem with the cap.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
J Hill Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Who are the playmakers Reggie passed on????
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Notice how, when that question is asked, the Reggie-haters either leave or start mindlessly insulting everyone, usually in all caps?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
The main thing McFatass needed to change was the conerbacks and some help at LB. Granted, Philip Wheeler is a damn good LB. But where are the upgrades at CB? Spencer, Bartell, Lee, Hansen?? As much as I complained about Routt and Johnson, at least they were NFL calibur players (barely) These clowns do not belong in the NFL. How is a guy like Goriando a starter on an NFL team?
Wasn’t Reggie supposed to be a player personnel genious? Idiot!
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LOL hahahahahahahahahahahaha
September 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Let me say this about Dennie Allen I think he has the talent to be a very good HC but YOU NEVER ALLOW a rookie HC the leverage to hire his own coaches. Why because 9-10 times he wont be able to get the coaches he wants the first time around.
Second in most cases he’s going to hire friends which is in most cases a bad move he may have to fire them. Get guys that can be HC as well to help YOU when you are up against it. THAT is how Harbaugh is WINNING the coaches he hired are in most cases smarter than HIM.
Something even Bill Walsh knew was important.
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Can’t argue with this logic. Knapp being our deficient OC is a perfect example of the nepotism referenced.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I think theyll play better in ATL….but just dont see them beating a very determined ATL team that has been embarrassed in playoffs the last few years……Roddy White, Julio Jones and Harry Douglas are dope
September 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Raiders 1 for 12 on 3rd down today.
That tells you all you need to know right there.
Knapp must go.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
#50 Its been mentioned so many times jerky.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Method,
All one has to do is look at how the 49ers have used their recent draft picks on o-line and d-line to see the source of their “success”
O-line that power blocks for Gore and allows a pedestrian QB like Smith time to throw.
a d-line that smashes the run and let’s Patrick willis do his thing.
The Raiders? To much spent on flashy weak azz players.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Raiderduck,
You do understand that advantage of ZBS is that average backs can generate yardage right? Technically every running back is a “system back”. Name an “elite” running back that has thrived in both zone and power schemes?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
give me hue and his o over DA and his discipline.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Since the day AL DAVIS died this defense has been HORRIBLE!!!…………PERIOD
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That’s because he left behind a trash heap.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Go Oakland A’s…
1.5 games behind the Rangers with a 3 game series against the Rangers starting tomorrow night at the Oakland Coliseum!
That is the only thing keeping me sane while the Raiders defecate on themselves on National TV week after week.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
JB Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Let me say this about Dennie Allen I think he has the talent to be a very good HC but YOU NEVER ALLOW a rookie HC the leverage to hire his own coaches. Why because 9-10 times he wont be able to get the coaches he wants the first time around.
Second in most cases he’s going to hire friends which is in most cases a bad move he may have to fire them. Get guys that can be HC as well to help YOU when you are up against it. THAT is how Harbaugh is WINNING the coaches he hired are in most cases smarter than HIM.
Something even Bill Walsh knew was important.
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Can’t argue with this logic. Knapp being our deficient OC is a perfect example of the nepotism referenced.
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Hang in there OG…this is real rough times for us
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
give me hue and his o over DA and his discipline
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Indeed.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Brien,
We’re not knocking off an unbeaten. But when teams that peak this soon fall, they fall hard. I think if Falcons lose next week we have a chance.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Had a much better squad last year.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
anybody passing blame on palmer is a fool. the scheme doesnt fit the oline is crap once again under the new regime. palmer is the only bright spot i see out there did you see the throw to moore under pressure down the sideline that was a GREAT throw can you imagine what he would be doing in hueys o.
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Agree completely, not to mention having 3 wideouts active who likely wouldn’t see the field elsewhere.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I’ll name them with pleasure. Routt, Bush, DVD, Murphy, Barksdale, Big sent to trade for Goodson. I would even go get CJ and I would make up for the loss of Wimbley somehow but I would get an EDGE RUSHER…
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Routt: His team is 1-3, same as us. Has one interception this season.
Bush: 3.4 yards/carry
DVD: Playing special teams only with Pittsburgh
Murphy: 5 catches so far this season.
Barksdale: Inactive today.
Bruce Campbell: Third-stringer for the Panthers
And this is the “TALENT” you’re mad at Reggie for getting rid of? Looks more like taking out the trash.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Have A’s clinched that wild card game spot?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RaiderDick will never get it.. DRRRRRRRR
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Man, I miss Hue Jackson’s passion. Yeah, he was power hungry, but the ONLY reason was because he wanted one thing: to win. He’s one of those once in a blue moon guys who’s willing to do whatever it takes to win. Some of you guys dog him, but several posters made a great point: DA won’t sniff 8-8 this year. And Hue had a much worse d-coordinator!
He earned at least one more year. At the very least. I do believe Mckenzie can be a good GM, but that was a killer mistake. And it’s gonna take time to get past that. Some of you complain that Hue only got to 8-8 last season… That team shouldn’t have been CLOSE to 8-8, but that man found a way to get that offense running on all cylinders and win ballgames. Even with the worst defense in the league.
Firing Hue set us back, and I hate that we whiffed on the chance at having a really good coach.
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EXACTLY!
I have been saying the same thing and now this team is in “unofficial” rebuild mode.
The hiring of Knapp as OC spelled doom for this team
Sad.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I’ll name them with pleasure. Routt, Bush, DVD, Murphy, Barksdale, Big sent to trade for Goodson. I would even go get CJ and I would make up for the loss of Wimbley somehow but I would get an EDGE RUSHER…
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How much for those players?
What are those players doing on their new teams.
Wimbley didn’t record a tackle this week. Is that worth Demarcus Ware money?
Is Routt a top 5 CB? Wimbley and Routt were making $15 to $20MM.
They were just guys.
As for the rest of your list, I see guys that are role players AT BEST….Bruce Campbell? How long do you wait for a guy that can’t even be activated.
Those guys are just that…guys…and the Raiders were paying them top shelf money.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Relax, bend over, and enjoy the ride. It’s going to be a long season folks. The defense puts together another lackluster second half of a football.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
J Hill Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Who are the playmakers Reggie passed on????
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Notice how, when that question is asked, the Reggie-haters either leave or start mindlessly insulting everyone, usually in all caps?
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he passed on a playmaker coach HUE FKN JACKSON.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RaiderDick will never get it.. DRRRRRRRR
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And the racist Internet Gangster strikes again. We’re all petrified. Truly.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I’ll name them with pleasure. Routt, Bush, DVD, Murphy, Barksdale, Big sent to trade for Goodson. I would even go get CJ and I would make up for the loss of Wimbley somehow but I would get an EDGE RUSHER…
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Routt: His team is 1-3, same as us. Has one interception this season.
Bush: 3.4 yards/carry
DVD: Playing special teams only with Pittsburgh
Murphy: 5 catches so far this season.
Barksdale: Inactive today.
Bruce Campbell: Third-stringer for the Panthers
And this is the “TALENT” you’re mad at Reggie for getting rid of? Looks more like taking out the trash
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Routt: That’s one more pick than we have.
Bush: That’s more YPC than DMAC had today.
DVD: Playing special Teams WELL – something we are not doing.
The rest were garbage. I’m with you there.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiderduck,
allow me to expand on the Raiderduck way of thinking. If McFadden is a “system” Running Back then Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Roger Craig, Franco Harris are system backs that can not be considered elite.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiders will finish 2-14 or 3-13
Hopefully they will get 1st pick in the draft and get Geno Smith.
Drop Palmer(I like the dude, but it will be full rebuild mode by next offseason).
Trade McFadden for more high draft picks.(I know, I know, it sounds stupid, but its full rebuilding mode and they can draft another back at a CHEAPER price)
Use cash to get some help in the secondary and O-line.
Hell, its just a thought…
September 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Raiderduck,
You do understand that advantage of ZBS is that average backs can generate yardage right? Technically every running back is a “system back”. Name an “elite” running back that has thrived in both zone and power schemes?
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you have to assume he’s an UO Duck fan. They live system backs there. None of the Ducks backs have a future outside the spread zone read gimmick fest. So sipping that kool aid will skew a perspective but regardless you’d think it’d be easy to understand.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Go Oakland A’s…
1.5 games behind the Rangers with a 3 game series against the Rangers starting tomorrow night at the Oakland Coliseum!
That is the only thing keeping me sane while the Raiders defecate on themselves on National TV week after week.
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A’s reppin so tough….its ok man…we just gonna endure…someday it will get better…but today is not the day for the Raiders
I said it in March and I’ll say it again….getting Knapp wiht Palmer and DMAC shows how inept this regime is….not drafting a NT and RDE shows how inept this regime is….the FA moves shows how inept this regime is
September 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I’ll name them with pleasure. Routt, Bush, DVD, Murphy, Barksdale, Big sent to trade for Goodson. I would even go get CJ and I would make up for the loss of Wimbley somehow but I would get an EDGE RUSHER…
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Routt: His team is 1-3, same as us. Has one interception this season.
Bush: 3.4 yards/carry
DVD: Playing special teams only with Pittsburgh
Murphy: 5 catches so far this season.
Barksdale: Inactive today.
Bruce Campbell: Third-stringer for the Panthers
And this is the “TALENT” you’re mad at Reggie for getting rid of? Looks more like taking out the trash.
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The big mistake was getting rid of Hue without thinking it through properly.
They should have kept Bush also.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
#9 offense last year.. #9 offense last year. #9 offense last year. Reggie is a moron. get him a chicken wing
September 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Nyraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
in 1961 the houston oilers d had only 3 ints, its almost a lock they will be replaced by the 2012 bend and break d of our raiders. congrats to all involved
September 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Bigsnow, its going to be a long season?
What did you expect with this team? Super Bowl?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
give me hue and his o over DA and his discipline.
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In my opinion…Hue Jackson and Dennis Allen are not linked at all.
Hue had to go period….
Whether DA turns out to be a good hire or not has NOTHING to do with the above point
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Go Oakland A’s…
1.5 games behind the Rangers with a 3 game series against the Rangers starting tomorrow night at the Oakland Coliseum!
That is the only thing keeping me sane while the Raiders defecate on themselves on National TV week after week.
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I agree with you to a point. I am not even caring about the 1-3 Raiders because I know they have a lousy team. It will take at least one more season to clean up that worthless defense, that never puts pressure on the QB, and that is 10 years running now.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Have A’s clinched that wild card game spot?
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magic number is 2…if angels lose…down to 1
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I have come to expect nothing from my favorite football team.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Go Oakland A’s…
1.5 games behind the Rangers with a 3 game series against the Rangers starting tomorrow night at the Oakland Coliseum!
That is the only thing keeping me sane while the Raiders defecate on themselves on National TV week after week.
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Yep! It’s all about the A’s from here on out.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
At least my favorite baseball team still has life… The S.F. Giants.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
anyways…I’m out…be good yall…it will get better someday
Stay solid
Code Black….n blue lol
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
If Hue’s our coach today, we lose 37-24, instead of 37-6. Fine. Denver beats anyone in the league today, facing 1-3 in the first year of the Manning era. They were fired up, and it showed from the start. Raiders played like they were coming off a win. Hey, go figure!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Quack just can’t understand….football is supposed to be played aggressively with talented players….not “take what the defense gives you” not run sideways with zbs….talent wins in the nfl…speed and size durrrrrrf
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
JB Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Let me say this about Dennie Allen I think he has the talent to be a very good HC but YOU NEVER ALLOW a rookie HC the leverage to hire his own coaches. Why because 9-10 times he wont be able to get the coaches he wants the first time around.
Second in most cases he’s going to hire friends which is in most cases a bad move he may have to fire them. Get guys that can be HC as well to help YOU when you are up against it. THAT is how Harbaugh is WINNING the coaches he hired are in most cases smarter than HIM.
Something even Bill Walsh knew was important.
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Can’t argue with this logic. Knapp being our deficient OC is a perfect example of the nepotism referenced.
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Hang in there OG…this is real rough times for us
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I know youngblood I said it may years ago before Mr D died that just because we get a GM gaurantees us zero. It may be rough quitea while after his passing……..so I expected as much, I don’t want it but I expected it.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I am SOO sick of this team losing! Every other team can at least one good season every few years except us. Hue came in and gave us our first competitive team with hopes at making the playoffs in 10 years, and what do we do…fire him!?? Yea, real smart Reggie. Lets makes everybody learn yet another new offensive system. Reggie, DA, and Knapp can all kiss my frickin @$$. Ive been a loyal fan forever but I’m ready to stop watching these clowns. BRING BACK HUE!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Long, as in unbearable to watch!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Does it really matter if this team wins 4, 5, or 6 games? No, because there is no hope in 2012. Darren McFadden runs scared now. He has been banged up so much, he is more concerned about his health than running over people. Can you blame him?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
The only argument I can muster in Hue’s defense is that he was crucial in selling out the OCO and getting the Nation involved. It seemed as though he was always out and about preaching the Raider gospel locally. He would address the nation, period. Sadly, I do think most of this was more about Hue than anything. Not sure how much DA and Reggie value PR and the nation. But Hue had to go, was poison and would have showed it sooner then later. I would however argue turning the offense over to Saunders. But HUE is not here anymore, so it’s a stupid argument.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Are you bernie leaning Brien?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Sulky… If this if that… Quit it…they got handled…pick up your pants
September 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
MonumentRaider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
No use complaining about Knapp….
Its DA’s team.
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You know what.. you’re right. The whole coaching staff is a fk’n disaster! wasn’t DA supposed to fix our Defense. Give is a much needed “update”? We look just as bad if not worse than last year on D.
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Our D is a disaster. I do however like Tarver & think he will work out well in the long run. In order for that to happen, we need talent that matches the scheme. Seymour will be out at the end of this season – either retire, be traded or cut. Kelly will probably be traded for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. The rest of the d-line is still young and can improve. Our LB group is missing a leader. McCheese will be traded or cut at the end on the year. I like Wheeler & Burris but we’ll need a new starting MLB and good back-up talent across the LB board. We need a whole new defensive backfield. Branch @ SS might be OK to retain but the rest absolutely need to be replaced. We need total back-up talent for this group.
Coaching wise, a new OC & ST coordinator for starts. I’d like to get Wylie & Wiz 1.0 back for the O-line.
That would be a good start.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
The A’s are playing the heart of champions right now. NO ONE gave them a chance at the beginning of the season. The so called experts said that they would lose 100 games!
Well no one is laughing now! The A’s represent the City of Oakland and our never say die attitude here to the fullest!
Meanwhile the Raiders don’t even have an identity at all right now…smh
It’s pathetic.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiderduck,
allow me to expand on the Raiderduck way of thinking. If McFadden is a “system” Running Back then Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Roger Craig, Franco Harris are system backs that can not be considered elite.
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Barry Sanders ran well no matter what the scheme or o-line. So did Smith (the Cowboys shifted o-line schemes at least once during his tenure) and Brown. Harris ran his entire career for the Steelers and Knoll’s o-line, and completely sucked when he went to Seattle his last year. Roger Craig didn’t do so hot away from SF, either.
Again, I’m not insulting you personally. I’m just saying that some of the blame for DMac’s cruddy showing this season should fall on him (with our lousy line getting the rest). An elite back would find ways to get yards regardless. DMac has not. He would fare better in another system.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiders will finish 2-14 or 3-13
Hopefully they will get 1st pick in the draft and get Geno Smith.
Drop Palmer(I like the dude, but it will be full rebuild mode by next offseason).
Trade McFadden for more high draft picks.(I know, I know, it sounds stupid, but its full rebuilding mode and they can draft another back at a CHEAPER price)
Use cash to get some help in the secondary and O-line.
Hell, its just a thought…
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Hell we might as well give mcfadden and palmer a chance to go win somewhere else their being wasted here.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
If someone offered a #1 pick for McFadden, I would trade him.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Beach Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Does it really matter if this team wins 4, 5, or 6 games? No, because there is no hope in 2012. Darren McFadden runs scared now. He has been banged up so much, he is more concerned about his health than running over people. Can you blame him?
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Honestly, no I do not blame him. I’m sure he knows his future is elsewhere. Why ruin himself and his career, fighting for a team that has too many problems to be good.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
give me hue and his o over DA and his discipline.
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In my opinion…Hue Jackson and Dennis Allen are not linked at all.
Hue had to go period….
Whether DA turns out to be a good hire or not has NOTHING to do with the above point
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That’s the problem. Hue did NOT have to go period!
Davis and McK and some you fans need to realize that Hue had the team moving in the right direction. Just needed a better DC and implement more discipline to cut the penalties.
I would rather see Hue’s Raiders team commit 10 penalties and WIN football games ahead of DA’s Raider team committing 3 penalties and getting their butts kicked every other week!
Nice job Davis and McK….thanks for setting the team back for 3 years or more and wasting the talents of Palmer and DMC.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I can understand Priest’s allegiance toward Al Davis. The fact is though he was trying to win with old veterans that had nothing left: Warren Sapp, Gerard Warren, Dick Seymour, and QBs so bad I can’t even mention their names!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
If someone offered a #1 pick for McFadden, I would trade him.
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Of course you would…..the Raiders are in REBUILDING mode! Ugh
September 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Stupid Reggie will trade them for tj Yates…..
September 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
The team doesn’t need a to trade away all of the players. The team needs to rebuild and release some of the aging veterans.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Quack just can’t understand….football is supposed to be played aggressively with talented players….not “take what the defense gives you” not run sideways with zbs….talent wins in the nfl…speed and size durrrrrrf
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So you’re saying no team has ever run well using the ZBS?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
It could be worse. At least our coach isn’t Romeo Crennel.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
The A’s are playing the heart of champions right now. NO ONE gave them a chance at the beginning of the season. The so called experts said that they would lose 100 games!
Well no one is laughing now! The A’s represent the City of Oakland and our never say die attitude here to the fullest!
Meanwhile the Raiders don’t even have an identity at all right now…smh
It’s pathetic.
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I predicted 65-97 before the season. One big difference: the Oakland A’s have heart and a burning desire to win, and the Oakland Raiders have no heart and no fight, especially on defense.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Reggie will eventually be a good GM he just need sto cut the crap. Stop the “I’ll show everyone I’m a better GM” and just do the best job he can. That is hard enough just do YOUR JOB!! that is all anyone wants and dissp[ense with anti-Al player bullcrap.
Being a GM is one of the toughest business positions you can have and it’s thankless because you cna’t be right all the time and even when you are right you’re wrong. Because players(people) are frail and fallible. You can draft the perfect and he never plays a down for you. Or he never live sup to his potential forwhatever reason. Being GM is the roughets of the rough and you can’t rest on your laurels because your best guy will get injured tomorrrow.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
give me hue and his o over DA and his discipline.
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In my opinion…Hue Jackson and Dennis Allen are not linked at all.
Hue had to go period….
Whether DA turns out to be a good hire or not has NOTHING to do with the above point
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give me hue and an explosive o and you can keep DA and his discipline, knapp,zbs, and his visor.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Richard Seymour’s contract is a joke. Tommy Kelly needs to go as well. Draft an NT, MLB, Rolando McClain is a joke as well.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
And as for somebody above commenting on the Ducks: Yes, I am a Ducks fan, and I’ll be the first to tell you that Chip Kelly’s awesome spread offense would not translate to the NFL at all. He would have been a hot mess in Tampa. I also said at the time that Darron Thomas’s leaving for the NFL was a HUGE mistake, and guess what? He didn’t get drafted or even signed as a UDFA, and is basically stuck hoping to latch on with the re-launched USFL next spring (assuming they actually do launch).
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
MF Hue Jackson man.
You guys sound like a bunch of broken hearted teenagers with this mess.
Hue Jackson presided over a team that played its WORST football down the stretch.
Engineered a reckless trade and threw his team under the bus at seasons end.
Then has the NERVE to go and tell the owner what to do.
If someone who worked for me came to me with such B.S AFTER that pathetic stretch…I would have put his backside on the pavement in no time flat.
Hue WOULD NOT have been able to work with a GM. No freekn way.
And if I am a new GM that is getting my own shot..I am not hithing my wagon to a guy who is known to be overly political and backstabbbing.
Nice move whining to Mike Silver.
Good riddance — and you all in here crying for a guy that is the ASSISTANT secondary coach in Cincinnati.
Get a backbone
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Just because the Raiders don’t play well in zone doesn’t mean it’s not a good scheme. Since the ’80s, the Raiders haven’t played well in man either.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We all knew this team was going to suck. As fans we just wanted to be optimistic.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
give me hue and his o over DA and his discipline.
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In my opinion…Hue Jackson and Dennis Allen are not linked at all.
Hue had to go period….
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Whether DA turns out to be a good hire or not has NOTHING to do with the above point
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give me hue and an explosive o and you can keep DA and his discipline, knapp,zbs, and his visor.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Isn’t just amazing that we won the turnover battle and the penalty count today?? That’s how heavily we were outplayed. Totally dominated in every aspect of the game. I’m so freakin pissed. I spent $500 dollars on this game. FIVE HUNDRED! I’m only 22, and that’s quite a load of money for me. I’m pissed off at Mark Davis. I’m pissed off at Reggie. I’m pissed at DA. I want Knapp GONE. I’m tired of this. TEN YEARS! And we were one game away last year. Unforgivable. I won’t give Mark or Reggie the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves. Niether has earned it at this point. They’ve wasted my time and money. Fck them both, and those they hired.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
The Raiders next year will be this year’s Colts.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
No dumba…zbs is not the raiders if that’s what you like go cheer for another girly team…. This is the raiders…not the flowery team you love quit trying to make this team into the damm texaints, donkeys and the whiners. Zbs had its time it’s over, texans always choke…..
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
BTW, I believe Knapp has to go, as well. But not for the same reason as the Davis-bots do. I just want him gone because he’s not a great OC. They want him gone because they want to sign Vince Evans and James Jett, and Knapp refuses to do it.
What was that play Knapp kept running today where Carson spins around a couple of times then throws the ball into the dirt?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Al Davis talked about “Great Players”
Scheme or not…great players make plays.
The Pittsburgh game had players making plays.
The game today was about 22 guys standing around and going through the motions
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Can we all agree this is a rebuilding project? Until you see that, there can be no honest debate here. bigsnow81 is spot on:
The team doesn’t need a to trade away all of the players. The team needs to rebuild and release some of the aging veterans.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I can recall dropping $340 was on second row home 35 yard line. I can still see Collins miss a wide open Porter in the 2005 season. Never again will I purchase tickets before the season.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I believe in Reggie, and have been supporting his whole flow chart since day one. But I said from the get-go that I was uncomfortable with Knapp being the top offensive mind in the organization. My fears were justified. He just doesn’t know when to turn it up. We need an OC a little more versatile.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Wow, slowlando needs to drink some coffee before games, Manning went at him all day! They threw at him, ran at him, made him look really bad…. No pass rush.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Man, I miss Hue Jackson’s passion. Yeah, he was power hungry, but the ONLY reason was because he wanted one thing: to win. He’s one of those once in a blue moon guys who’s willing to do whatever it takes to win. Some of you guys dog him, but several posters made a great point: DA won’t sniff 8-8 this year. And Hue had a much worse d-coordinator!
He earned at least one more year. At the very least. I do believe Mckenzie can be a good GM, but that was a killer mistake. And it’s gonna take time to get past that. Some of you complain that Hue only got to 8-8 last season… That team shouldn’t have been CLOSE to 8-8, but that man found a way to get that offense running on all cylinders and win ballgames. Even with the worst defense in the league.
Firing Hue set us back, and I hate that we whiffed on the chance at having a really good coach.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
MF Hue Jackson man.
You guys sound like a bunch of broken hearted teenagers with this mess.
Hue Jackson presided over a team that played its WORST football down the stretch.
Engineered a reckless trade and threw his team under the bus at seasons end.
Then has the NERVE to go and tell the owner what to do.
If someone who worked for me came to me with such B.S AFTER that pathetic stretch…I would have put his backside on the pavement in no time flat.
Hue WOULD NOT have been able to work with a GM. No freekn way.
And if I am a new GM that is getting my own shot..I am not hithing my wagon to a guy who is known to be overly political and backstabbbing.
Nice move whining to Mike Silver.
Good riddance — and you all in here crying for a guy that is the ASSISTANT secondary coach in Cincinnati.
Get a backbone
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guess you like the current state of the team I dont. with hue here we are a playoff team this year and you know it now weather you want to admit it or not thats your hangup.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Well we all know there are only die hard Raiders fans left.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
No dumba…zbs is not the raiders if that’s what you like go cheer for another girly team…. This is the raiders…not the flowery team you love quit trying to make this team into the damm texaints, donkeys and the whiners. Zbs had its time it’s over, texans always choke…..
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“ZBS is not the Raiders” — You’re not in charge of the Raiders and never will be. “The Raiders” are whatever the owner (currently Mark Davis) says, and Mark is going with Reggie and his vision. Give them some time, man. In a couple of years, this’ll be a season to laugh over: “Hey, remember back in 2012 when we sucked?”
September 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Knapp is stubborn. Seems to have a handful of plays he runs religiously, even if right into a brick wall. That screen they called a few times were Carson spun around then downed the ball. Yuk.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Raiders should look to hire the NY Giants QB coach or WR coach and see if they can be the new OC next year or something.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RaiderDuck,
McFadden is a “system back”? He’s not an elite running back. That has to be the bath salts talking. DMAC averages 7 yards a carry vs. the Broncos. But he is just an average running back? I don’t even know where to start. You have lost your mind.
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You’re right. Elite backs occasionally create space for themselves when the O-lines not clicking. He can outrun people, but he can’t make them miss.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Down in the 4th quarter and they call 2 playaction passes and a screen…. Playaction! Even my grandma knew pass was coming, knapp is beyond dumb.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Al Davis talked about “Great Players”
Scheme or not…great players make plays.
The Pittsburgh game had players making plays.
The game today was about 22 guys standing around and going through the motions
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No, it was about a team getting their asses kicked by a superior team.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
I don’t want to get rid of Knapp because he’s a WCO guy or because of today. I knew we were going to lose today. I just want to get rid of him. Offense needs to be a bit more versatile.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Knapp is stubborn. Seems to have a handful of plays he runs religiously, even if right into a brick wall. That screen they called a few times were Carson spun around then downed the ball. Yuk.
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Knapps designed screen plays are laughable at best!
Hue Jackson designed great screen plays the last two years and got the ball to his play makers in space!
Knapp can’t even draw plays up to get his play makers the ball in space!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Beach Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Can we all agree this is a rebuilding project?
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After so many years of disappointment and a couple years of hope, we are a little over rebuilding. Especially when one of the major components in the rebuilding project (Knapp) is proven to be terrible at his job.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Bigsnow81 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Richard Seymour’s contract is a joke. Tommy Kelly needs to go as well. Draft an NT, MLB, Rolando McClain is a joke as well.
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Seymour and Kelly have both turned into slugs who get it up for 6-10 snaps a game and just lean on their guys the rest of the time. They both need to become mentors for the young guys this year, and ex-Raiders next year.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Blueprint to stopping the Raiders’ offense:
Stop McFadden. The rest is downhill.
That’s on Knapp.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
The Steelers aren’t that good a team anymore. Raiders probably beat a team that is not going to the playoffs.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
The coach has lost this team by the bye week. Pryor needs to get some reps in.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Blocked punt. Fire the special teams coach yesterday…
September 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Saunders is the right choice at OC.
But D.A. gone and Reggie gone? Dream on idiots.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I doubt Reggie fires any coach this year. Knapp will be here for the duration of 2012.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Duck-
Emmitt Smith did not change systems! I live in Texas! I lived in Dallas when they won Super Bowls! When did the Cowboys run a Zone Blocking system? I just don’t remember Nate Newton cut blocking anyone! Barry Sanders went from an Run and Shoot to the benefit of having a Fullback and ran for 2000 yards. He was an east/west runner that never had to adjust to a zone blocking scheme after being in a power running scheme. He went from a spread to a more traditional offense. Those examples are just false.
I have no problem with you making an argument but those were terrible examples. Zone Blocking came about because of a lack of a home run type running back. Not only that but our version of the ZBS isn’t even being blocked correctly. Our lineman can’t cut block if you put a gun to their heads. Poor coaching at the Oline level. A running back is only as good as the line in front of him. A running back is great when he is able to make an average run into a touchdown. DMAC can do that. He can also line up as a WR and catch out of the backfield better than anyone on this team. He can also pick up blitzes better than any back we have had since Marcus Allen. I’m all for a healthy debate but it should be backed up with some kind of facts.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I doubt Reggie fires any coach this year. Knapp will be here for the duration of 2012.
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Reggie can go too
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Eastoaklandraider,
I am not satisfied with the current state.
I am just not nostalgic for Hue Jackson and realize he needed to go.
Whether the Raiders end up messing up the new hire is clearly open for debate.
Bringing back Hue, in my opinion, is not.
You don’t challenge the owner! You don’t whine to a journalist known for anti-Raider positions and leak info to him….you don’t go and sell out the team in the season ending press conference…or whine about Al Davis running the defense.
Hue’s team wasn’t all that solid. That wasn’t a STRONG 8-8 either.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Knapp needs to go at the end of the season.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Bigsnow81 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
The coach has lost this team by the bye week. Pryor needs to get some reps in.
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We don’t know if DA has lost the team or not. Two weeks from now we’ll know. If the Raiders play hard, gutsy football (win or lose), then we know DA still has the players. If the team repeats today’s abortion of a second half, then we know he doesn’t.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
rediaR Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Beach Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Can we all agree this is a rebuilding project?
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After so many years of disappointment and a couple years of hope, we are a little over rebuilding. Especially when one of the major components in the rebuilding project (Knapp) is proven to be terrible at his job.
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Yes, I’m WAY over rebuilding. We had a top 10 Offense for two years. We needed to shore up our D. WHY ARE WE REBUILDING!? It’s so freakin frustrating.
I’m gonna go eat Tacos. Peace.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
It’s all about winning ASAP in the NFL fellas….not winning 2 or 3 years from now.
Patience my azz!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Bigsnow81 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Knapp needs to go at the end of the season.
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Knapp needs to go 8 months ago.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Reggie’s not going anywhere. Mark Davis is new to the game, hired Reggie per the advice of Ron Wolf. Reggie’s here for 3 years, at least.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Naysayers. We have a great punter. We’ll be fine. Throw another couple million at him.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Down 28, and two play action passes? Palmer had all of two seconds to throw the ball. Is Knapp Chuky B’s lost twin brother? Dumb!… Bring in Cable to call plays! Jeeesh
September 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I’ll be around until this team starts winning. I keep telling myself things are going to change. I always heard the Raiders wont be good until Al Davis is dead. Well he’s dead and we still suck lemons.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Who would Mark Davis hire as GM to replace Reggie?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
And as for somebody above commenting on the Ducks: Yes, I am a Ducks fan, and I’ll be the first to tell you that Chip Kelly’s awesome spread offense would not translate to the NFL at all. He would have been a hot mess in Tampa. I also said at the time that Darron Thomas’s leaving for the NFL was a HUGE mistake, and guess what? He didn’t get drafted or even signed as a UDFA, and is basically stuck hoping to latch on with the re-launched USFL next spring (assuming they actually do launch).
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Oh I agree to that to. I may be mistaken, but would assume you would love the zone scheme because your college team runs it with success. Even though it is quite different. And would also agree that your quite familiar with system backs. I likely misunderstood the context as I’m hardly reading clearly now. But in short was comparing the two. Also, I’m a Beavers Fan, so by nature I have to talk smack to Ducks fans any chance I can. Which I wasn’t really doing. Basically saying that system backs can only run in the system. Ducks fans confuse their backs as elite, and think they can succeed everywhere.(Ducks fans in my neighborhood). Truth is in this case, DMAC is an Elite back, and can run in any system. But our system as flawed as it is, has a bad O-line. Thus no system or back can succeed. I’m pretty sure thats all backwards, but in my mind I’m certain it makes sense, lol.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Those of you who want Reggie gone:
Who should Mark hire as GM to replace him? Lets hear some names.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Two weeks ago, I suggested 2 – 14. I’d like to revise this to 1 – 15.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
you can’t put out a forest fire by splashing some water on a few trees…Reggie is a failure any idiot that just cuts DVD and barksdale should be held responsible….
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I’M OUT YALL RAIDERS TIL DEATH
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
DKnight007 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
It’s all about winning ASAP in the NFL fellas….not winning 2 or 3 years from now.
Patience my azz!
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Truth!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Barksdale lucked out. He gets to go to a decent team.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Marty Morninwheg, Winston Moss, Marv Levy, Mike Ditka…. ANYBODY would be better.
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Morninwheg: 5-27 (or somesuch) as a head guy.
Moss: Would be a rookie HC (just like Allen).
Levy: 87 years old. Yup, even older than Al.
Ditka: 72 years old and NEVER been successful head coach.
So again: Name the head coaches you would have hired instead of DA.
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I was being facetious. My point is that ANYONE with ANY coaching experience would have been better than this SEC college football sounding, robotic cliche spouting, overmatched hick.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
MonumentRaider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
rediaR Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Beach Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Can we all agree this is a rebuilding project?
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After so many years of disappointment and a couple years of hope, we are a little over rebuilding. Especially when one of the major components in the rebuilding project (Knapp) is proven to be terrible at his job.
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Yes, I’m WAY over rebuilding. We had a top 10 Offense for two years. We needed to shore up our D. WHY ARE WE REBUILDING!? It’s so freakin frustrating.
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Crazy isn’t it??
That’s what pisses me off so much. The team was developing and had a solid offense the last years and only needed a REAL D Coordinator and a modern D scheme.
Then Davis and McK decide to start all over everywhere, when it wasn’t necessary. Especially at head coach and on the offensive side of the ball.
Pathetic evaluating by Davis, McK and even DA when it came to hiring Knapp as OC…a proven loser.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Hoping for Knapp, DA or Reggie to go in the next couple of years was like hoping Al Davis would hire a GM.
Not going to happen
September 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I’m curious what Al Davis record was in his first 4 games as a GM?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Duck-
Emmitt Smith did not change systems!
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With all respect, I distinctly remember reading that in Jimmy Johnson’s second or third year, the team went from big, fat linemen to more athletic guys as part of a change in scheme. Even Nate Newton had to slim down from V’ger size to merely Godzilla.
As for Sanders, his most disappointing year, when he was making great moves 5 yards back on the line, he ran for 1300 yards. That offseason, the Lions dumped all their o-linemen except for Lomas Brown and Kevin Glover, brought in three RGs from other teams, changed positions with two of them, and he ran for 1800 the next season. My point is that he was able to run with cruddy lines. DMac can’t.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Yo, whats the over/under on Ex-Packers signed over the next two weeks?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Scott Sullivan @ScottSully24
RT @PGutierrezCSN: #Raiders have given up 722 yards passing the past two weeks, on 66-87 passing, 7 TDs and 0 INTs with one sack for 5 yards
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September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
The whole offensive scheme that took 2 years to develop is what Reggie/Mark past up on!!!! is that not obvious?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Because most GM’s are judged on their final 4 regulars season games, Just Win Baby. smh
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Anybody besides Reggie… I don’t care… Bring in Matt millen… Anybody but the guy that brought in da/tarver/krappy
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
All but one of the starters from last year’s line returned this year. This coaching staff/management decided they knew better and switched them around as well as changed to an entirely different scheme to which the players are not suited.
2012
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle
C – Wisniewski
RG – Briesel
RT – Barnes
2011
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wisniewski
C – Satele
RG – Carlisle
RT – Barnes
2011 – Up to the day McFadden got injured #1 rushing team in the league. High powered offense even with the moron Campbell at QB
2012 – Same offensive linemen, healthy significantly better Palmer at QB, healthy McFadden. Worst team in the NFL.
How do you not blame the brand new Owner, Head Coach, and GM??? The 2011 team was leading most of the games we lost going into the 3rd or 4th qtr and lost mostly due to bombastic prevent defense by Bresnahan. Why such faithful loyalty to these three imbeciles! All they have shown you so far is unmitigated failure after failure!
Regardless of whether we kept Hue, or hired Allen. Knapp implements the offense Allen wants, so to blame him is pointless. We should have fixed the problems with out 2ndary and continue to roll on with the success we already had on offense.
99% of the blame should be placed at the feet of the three stooges.
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“Facts are stubborn things.” John Adams.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Not a whole lot off no huddle today. That seemed odd.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Ok. Now I know where “Scott” came from. Keep searching, stalkers. You’re still cold.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Better than DA? How about Marty? He would clean this locker room of its laziness in a week!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Those of you who want Reggie gone:
Who should Mark hire as GM to replace him? Lets hear some names.
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Just to clarify my position. I don’t WANT Reggie gone, but if he was, I wouldn’t be annoyed with the move.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Because Matt Millen did a tremendous job in Detroit, AlistheRaiders.
Try again.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
No misdirection, no Pryor, bad play calling, etc…
McClain is stunningly useless.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Scott Sullivan @ScottSully24
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1. No draft picks
2. Overpaid vets that had to be released = dead money
3. No money
4. Injuries
5. Lousy players from previous yr still on roster
What do you think is going to happen?
Seymour, Kelly and Huff start to play like pro-bowlers?
Branch is a disappointment…big time….
And then you lose the two vets you planned to start.
This is the NFL.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RediaR has no answer. Still waiting. Let’s hear some names. So far, Matt Millen is all I hear. lol. Because he turned Detroit around…
September 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Ok. Now I know where “Scott” came from. Keep searching, stalkers. You’re still cold.
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Two or three of the guys on this blog are following Scott Sullivan thinking it’s you.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
My point exactly sulky…anybody could do a better job that this fool…even Matt millen
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Dmac, nor is anyone else Barry Sanders. If he plays a few more years, he is the rushing champ. Even quiting early I still consider him as such, Feck Emmit Smith. As much as I like him, DMAC is no Barry Sanders. Not many are.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Wow, the Giants have DTs that pressure up the middle….more than once a game!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I have never seen a middle linebacker just fall down on a touchdown play.
And I have been watching pro football for 50 years.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Poor Scott Sullivan. lol. I’d better set up an anonymous twitter and let him know that there’s some strange fellows who think he’s someone they’re obsessed with, and they might try something stupid.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
We have Branch looking at airplanes, McClain chasing butterflies, Huff playing hopscotch and our dline making grass angels. No playmakers. None whatsoever.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Anyways…all the Reggie/da/Krappy supporters put your pants on you just got efd by them
September 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Only name so far:
Matt Millen.
Should I remind anyone what his record was in Detroit?
Any serious answers?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
DA told us it not only takes the linemen to do the job but it take a unit working toghter to be good. Reggie and Mark took that away a put all his money on a unproven HC. Unproven, I will say it again for all the Reggie/DA people, unproven. Hue proved him could generate offense for two years.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Total BS…buying into ‘re-build’crap!
This was a team thatclose to playoffs and DA and Reg have jacked it up
Worse than big dummy the 1st and bed n breakfast!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Al “Davis was 2 – 2 in his first 4 games as a GM. 2 – 4 in the first 6 games. Good thing you “fans” weren’t there to pizz all over that. STFU and give these guys a chance. Nobody is getting fired and if you think they are, you are fooling yourself. Period.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Bad game out there today.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
“Raiders will finish 2-14 or 3-13
Hopefully they will get 1st pick in the draft and get Geno Smith.”
Why would you do that with so many holes to fill on such a shallow team.
No way smart money says we trade down get a ton of draft picks and try to fill several holes not just one.
What are you going to do put a rookie behind that O-Line with no running game or receivers to throw too.
Come on man you should know that one man cannot make a team its going to take about 20 30 new faces on this roster before you start seeing a change for the better.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Barry Sanders was a one of a kind.
He was running up against 9 man fronts…everyone knew he was getting the ball.
He is a Hall of Famer
Barry Sanders had no o-line in front of him….half his runs were for losses or no gain. the other half were just flat out amazing.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Kirk Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I have never seen a middle linebacker just fall down on a touchdown play.
And I have been watching pro football for 50 years.
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C’mon, surely you’ve seen the same MLB do it before
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
Ducks fans confuse their backs as elite, and think they can succeed everywhere.(Ducks fans in my neighborhood).
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September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Jon Gruden head coach,..Bruce Allen GM,…theres the names you were looking for old friend.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Kirk Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I have never seen a middle linebacker just fall down on a touchdown play.
And I have been watching pro football for 50 years.
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That was hilarious.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
AlistheRaiders, Detroit gave Millen a few seasons. Reggie has to have at least one for anyone to honestly determine he’s no better.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Reggie will eventually be a good GM he just need sto cut the crap. Stop the “I’ll show everyone I’m a better GM” and just do the best job he can. That is hard enough just do YOUR JOB!! that is all anyone wants and dissp[ense with anti-Al player bullcrap.
Being a GM is one of the toughest business positions you can have and it’s thankless because you cna’t be right all the time and even when you are right you’re wrong. Because players(people) are frail and fallible. You can draft the perfect and he never plays a down for you. Or he never live sup to his potential forwhatever reason. Being GM is the roughets of the rough and you can’t rest on your laurels because your best guy will get injured tomorrrow.
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“Reggie will eventually be a good GM” based on what??? Not on the decisions he’s made so far? Let’s look at them:
Pros:
* Signing Philip Wheeler
* Sending Wimbly and Routt packing – way too much $$ for spotty performance
Cons:
* Firing Hue Jackson, without knowing he had an experinced head coach waiting in the wings.
* Hiring Dennis Allen who had never been the head coach of anything and giving him the authority to choose all of his own coaches, overhaul the entire offense, defense, and speacial teams in one year, with extremely limited budget.
* Messing with what was not broken. ie the running game. We had the best offensive line coach in the game in Wylie(sp?) and the number one rushing offense in football with a healthy DMC.
Giving up on DVD and Chekwa too early. Need more time to adjust at that position a la Namdi.
Al Davis would have NEVER made those foolish decisions. This tells me Reggie lacks the wisdom and judgment to be successful. One good personnel move in an entire offseason is not that impressive
Loyalty is a good quality to have. But blind faith in someone who has not done anything to earn that kind of respect is not. Again, I say let people earn your respect.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
Ducks fans confuse their backs as elite, and think they can succeed everywhere.(Ducks fans in my neighborhood).
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The only truly elite RB Oregon had since I started keeping track of them (30 years) ago was Reuben Droughns, and that horrible ankle/knee injury vs. UCLA robbed him of his greatness. What you saw in the NFL (with Denver) was maybe 30% of what he could have been.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
How about Rich Gannon for GM?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Knapp has to be the fall-guy for the woes of the first four weeks. The offense is putrid.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
AlisinCharge,
you’re willing to give Millen an additional season, after sucking for several in Detroit, but won’t give Reggie one. I sense a bias that’s not based on job performance.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Kirk Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
No misdirection, no Pryor, bad play calling, etc…
^^^^^^
Did you guys see how Whiners utilzed Kaepernick today?
That’s the way crappy Knappy should be utilizing Pryor to TRY and keep the opposing D off balance!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
With Al’s bump and run, Bronco’s win 50-6.
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Nice try MaddenRaider, but during Al Davis’s tenure, the Raiders were NEVER beaten this bad by the Broncos.
You’re so effing stupid.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RediaR has no answer. Still waiting. Let’s hear some names. So far, Matt Millen is all I hear. lol. Because he turned Detroit around…
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Just to clarify my position. I don’t WANT Reggie gone, but if he was, I wouldn’t be annoyed with the move.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
“Give DA some time”
Yeah, cuz he’s shown us so much thus far.
Worst loss to Denver in 50 yrs.
Even Joe Bugel couldn’t pull that off…or even Art Shell part 2.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Bruce Allen?
He’s doing fine in Washington, AlisinCharge.
Available names.
So far you’ve got Millen.
Millen sucked year after year in Detroit, you’re willing to give him another, when you know he’s a failure. You won’t give Reggie even one full season. Not one full season won-loss record to go on. Clearly you have a personal problem with McKenzie that has nothing to do with job performance. What else could it be?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Even Bresnahans defense is worlds better than what our new “defensive minded” HC put out there…with 10 men on the field.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Lets trade DMac for an elite edge rusher. He’s feast or famine. Steady is better if not a homerun hitter
September 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Al “Davis was 2 – 2 in his first 4 games as a GM. 2 – 4 in the first 6 games. Good thing you “fans” weren’t there to pizz all over that. STFU and give these guys a chance. Nobody is getting fired and if you think they are, you are fooling yourself. Period.
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and he won the final 8 games and started a dynasty, not to mention have the greatest turnaround in NFL history in 1963…But hey Reggie is on the same path isn’t he?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RediaR still can’t come up with a name. Why he’s responding is beyond me. I’m asking for names.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Raiders one of 3 teams without an INT. Detroit and Hue Jackson’s Bengals the other two.
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September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Duck
The cowboys changed offensive philosophy for one year during Smith’s years. Chan Gailey ran it back in the late ’90’s. They went from Power to a lot of pulling guards. It lasted all of one year. All of the rest of the OC’s in Dallas were clones, Turner, Zampeise and Reilly. Most teams find what works best for their franchise players and create an effective offense around that. That’s how Bill Walsh created the WCO. His strong-armed QB got injured and he had to make adjustments.That’s what coaches do. Make adjustments. My biggest concern with DA and Knapp is that they are so sold on their system that they can’t or won’t make adjustments to it. I think that Inside zone plays would work very well with DMAC. But the wide zone is a disaster. I’d love to see a combination of Inside Zone, Traps, and Counters to go with the passing game. Maybe that’s a discussion that the coaching staff will have this bye week.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I would take Millen right now over big Dummy.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RMac and DA total failures!
Alll those that disowned our past and legacy, jumpin on The Grimace train,
Now say wait for rebuild, takes time, BS
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
What a fckng butt waxing. At this rate, knapps new offensive scheme plan will probably be ready by the year 2018 at the soonest. For every yard we gain, we lose two. Horse shtt at its best. Fckn unbelievable.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
“Give DA some time”
Yeah, cuz he’s shown us so much thus far.
Worst loss to Denver in 50 yrs.
Even Joe Bugel couldn’t pull that off…or even Art Shell part 2.
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That’s the only line they got
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I meant, steady is better even if not a homerun hitter
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Glad we have a defensive genius as our HC. We look SO MUCH better.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Dayyym
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Not even art she’ll 2?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Well at least Coach Allen got a good laugh about it after the game.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Who rebuilds in this day an age?
This is a win now NFL
September 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
“I’m not sure where McClain is even going, or playing, on some of these runs.” – #Raiders announcer #TomFlores on radio
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Even Tom Flores is dissing McClain.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Millen lost year after year in Detroit, and there’s at least one person here who would replace McKenzie with him. Clearly at least one person here who wants McKenzie gone does so for personal reasons, and it has nothing to do with job performance.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Saving my money if I’m gonna see useful players… I’m going to sac town…
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I have no reason to believe that Reggie wont’ make a change at offensive coordinator if we finish the season with a losing record, and/or with dismal offensive statistics compared to last season. He’s going to give his guy one full season, because that’s how it works. But I have no reason to believe McKenzie would keep a coach longer than a season if he turned out to be disastrous. And neither do any of you.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Nice fckn half time adjustment.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Bruce Allen?
He’s doing fine in Washington, AlisinCharge.
Available names.
So far you’ve got Millen.
Millen sucked year after year in Detroit, you’re willing to give him another, when you know he’s a failure. You won’t give Reggie even one full season. Not one full season won-loss record to go on. Clearly you have a personal problem with McKenzie that has nothing to do with job performance. What else could it be?
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Tom Gamble, Eric Decosta, Brian Gaine, Nick Caserlo. Marc Ross, Will Lewis….That help punk?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
McClain’s looking more and more like a stiff. And he was supposed to be the 2010 draft’s can’t-miss sure-fire pick. Wrong.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I’d love to see Reggie’s Wunderlich score. Did they use those back then??
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Sulky I’m pointing out how bad Reggie is… He sold mark, madden, wolf, you, and all raider fans a big pile of bs…yeah I want his lying azs outta here…
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Big Dummy Reggie only has the smarts to hang in barber shops, swap meets,…face it, Big Dummy Reggie is just your typical dummy who spends afternoons in a barber shop.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
Ducks fans confuse their backs as elite, and think they can succeed everywhere.(Ducks fans in my neighborhood).
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The only truly elite RB Oregon had since I started keeping track of them (30 years) ago was Reuben Droughns, and that horrible ankle/knee injury vs. UCLA robbed him of his greatness. What you saw in the NFL (with Denver) was maybe 30% of what he could have been.
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True, but those were my daddies ducks. Heck even Blount and Stewert who have potential are considered as such too.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Football is just entertainment.
It is somewhat entertaining to watch the Raiders continue to suck with no end in sight.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
In typical Raiders style for 10 years running now, it’s one step forward and three steps back. Instead of seizing the momentum from last week’s win, they get blown out by an average Denver team (the Donkeys only other win was against Pittsburgh — and even the lowly Raiders beat them.) This Raiders have no talent, no leaders, no heart and no hope for the foreseeable future. I turned the game off early in the third quarter and watched a gritty, balls-to-the-wall A’s team pull out yet another win. The A’s should be ashamed to share a stadium with these wimpy clowns.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Glad to see raider fans finally develop brain and see that Knapp sucks lol
It took them some time tough
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Chuck Bresnahan is laughing right along with you DA.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Nice to see Criner get some work…
If Al were alive, he’d have fired DA on the flight home for the hug &smiles with Fox post game…
Where’s Reggie, need some answers… We got t t time
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I have no reason to believe that Reggie wont’ make a change at offensive coordinator if we finish the season with a losing record, and/or with dismal offensive statistics compared to last season. He’s going to give his guy one full season, because that’s how it works. But I have no reason to believe McKenzie would keep a coach longer than a season if he turned out to be disastrous. And neither do any of you.
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What do you mean MaddenRaider? Why would Reggie fire an assistant coach? I thought only Al did that.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Bottom line I dont think the RAiders will ever be good.
Say what you want but in the last two years two guys were right for this team and knew what it meant to be a RAIDER. HUE JACKSON and JON GRUDEN.
Deniss Allen is finding out what HUE already knew.. THe defense sucks. HUE was gonna get his guys in.. his coaches and get rid of the players that didnt need to be here. BUT NOOOOOOOOOO Mark thought Hue wanted more power LOL of course he did ? THE DEFENSE SUCKED.
Now we are 3 years backwards
Raiders are the only team in the NFL to lose before they even begin the game
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
No GM gets fired after 4 games. Take a step back and think about how crazy you guys sound.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
If al was here….criner wouldn’t that’s part of the problem….slow criner players
September 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
And, usually, coaches aren’t fired in their first season. They have to be horrible. We’re 2 games removed from a big comeback victory against a good team, and only 4 games into the year. Get lucid.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
McClain’s looking more and more like a stiff. And he was supposed to be the 2010 draft’s can’t-miss sure-fire pick. Wrong.
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You’d think our bright new “defensive minded” HC would see that too.
You’d be wrong.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I frkn hate visors…..
September 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
McClain’s looking more and more like a stiff. And he was supposed to be the 2010 draft’s can’t-miss sure-fire pick. Wrong.
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And exactly how many 1st round busts and disappointments can a team take before it affects what goes on the field.
Trading 2nd round picks for guys like deAngelo Hall….
The talent on the roster is what it is.
It is the summation of decisions made over time
September 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
“I’m not sure where McClain is even going, or playing, on some of these runs.” – #Raiders announcer #TomFlores on radio
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Even Tom Flores is dissing McClain.
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I watched him a good chunk of the game. On his heels and absent minded. He only shows up for a good player every 3 games. That play where he fell on his a$$ was down right ebamrassing.
No know very well Reggie, a former LB, is watching him.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
NO COACH GETS FIRED IN HIS FIRST SEASON WHEN HE ONLY HAS 3 LOSSES! PUT ANOTHER PIECE OF CRACK IN YOUR MARLBORO!
September 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Someone on Twitter posted a pic of Allen with a big smile on his face shaking hands with Fox after the Raiders got sodomized. He should be canned for that.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Man, I miss Hue Jackson’s passion. Yeah, he was power hungry, but the ONLY reason was because he wanted one thing: to win. He’s one of those once in a blue moon guys who’s willing to do whatever it takes to win. Some of you guys dog him, but several posters made a great point: DA won’t sniff 8-8 this year. And Hue had a much worse d-coordinator!
He earned at least one more year. At the very least. I do believe Mckenzie can be a good GM, but that was a killer mistake. And it’s gonna take time to get past that. Some of you complain that Hue only got to 8-8 last season… That team shouldn’t have been CLOSE to 8-8, but that man found a way to get that offense running on all cylinders and win ballgames. Even with the worst defense in the league.
Firing Hue set us back, and I hate that we whiffed on the chance at having a really good coach.
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Well said. n HUE still had his players playing hard when it mattered.
That Christmas day KC game.. 3 long explosive plays one to DMOORE was on point. still put up 26 points last game of season. That should be enough for any team to win.
Allen will be lucky… lucky to win 8 games in 2 years
I said ALLEN will be lucky LUCKY lucky to win 8 games in 2 years. Allen is a Bronco not a Raider yet. Prove to me you can win 2games back to back. Allen = Buck Private and has zero authority. Mark can fire him right now if he wanted to.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Draft time consideration, I say no to Geno Smith or any other QB in this class. All picks should be on the defensive side of the ball. CB, DT, DE, LB. Then and even then we’ll still have so many holes on the O-line which should be the next to be “rebuilt”. At this rate the rebuild is going to take forever. My scout pick of the week goes to CB Jonathan Mcknight of AZ
September 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
I’m not saying fire DA right now. I was less knee jerk than most. Heck, I wanted to keep Cable and then Hue cuz I was sick of having a new HC every dang yr.
It’s ok. Let him run the team even further into Raider hell for a couple yrs. I guess.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
No GM gets fired after 4 games. Take a step back and think about how crazy you guys sound.
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They remind me of the Birthers who thought millions of people would descend on Washington and force 0bama out of power when that nimrod Arpaio released his “report” on the President’s Birth Certificate.
Same delusions absent any knowledge of how the world really works.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
75. DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiderduck,
allow me to expand on the Raiderduck way of thinking. If McFadden is a “system” Running Back then Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Roger Craig, Franco Harris are system backs that can not be considered elite.
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You’re wrong, there’s absolutely nothing about Barry Sanders running style or performance that suggests he would not thrive in any system.
September 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Jon Gruden isn’t leaving the booth…and being a GM is different than being a coach.
and ….. MF Hue Jackson man!
You guys sound like a bunch of broken hearted teenagers with this mess.
Hue Jackson presided over a team that played its WORST football down the stretch.
Engineered a reckless trade and threw his team under the bus at seasons end.
Then has the NERVE to go and tell the owner what to do.
If someone who worked for me came to me with such B.S AFTER that pathetic stretch…I would have put his backside on the pavement in no time flat.
Hue WOULD NOT have been able to work with a GM. No freekn way.
And if I am a new GM that is getting my own shot..I am not hithing my wagon to a guy who is known to be overly political and backstabbbing.
Nice move whining to Mike Silver.
Good riddance — and you all in here crying for a guy that is the ASSISTANT secondary coach in Cincinnati.
Get a backbone
September 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I frkn hate visors…..
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Truth, speaks tons about character!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Just take a break from the Raiders for a few years,…watch the Niners. The Niners will win that division the next 6 years, win a couple superbowls,..while Oakland goes 3-13 for those 6 years. Bingo.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Reggie won’t do anything about McClain. DA won’t do anything either.
They think he’s “talented”.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Quack finally something I agree with…arpiehoe is a nimrod….
September 30th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I will be so glad to see Seymour go.
Talk about overpaid.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Hue’s ouster was political and it’s the same reason he hasn’t caught on with another team…it has nothing to do with him taking a team that lost their starting QB…the top rusher in the league, and key receivers due to injury, and was saddled with a DC he didn’t pick.
And still put a team together that could compete.
Unlike THIS pathetic garbage we saw out there today.
8-8 looks like an unattainable dream from where this pos team is at right now.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Allen will be lucky to win 8 games in 2 years.
I’d rather have marques pope, Derrick gibson, Anthony dorsett then Michelle Huff .. Tyke Branch and Monique Mitchell
September 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Quack finally something I agree with…arpiehoe is a nimrod….
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And his 80-year-old self is about to be re-elected to another four years as Sheriff: in other words, a lot more media stunts and arresting the brown people, not so much emphasis on catching actual criminals.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Romac looks like he’s on painkillers…
The flat footed limbo he did on the td catch in his face was Rave worthy…
Dude has got a new dance move goin there..
What a mess…
September 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The FACTS are that this team went from being a defensive stop away from winning the division to becoming the worst team in professional football…in short order.
Congrats Reggie. Well done.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
DA laughing w/ fox after game stinks big time
what a friendly loser
GTFOH
September 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Darren McFadden had at least 100 yards rushing the previous three times he faced the Broncos
September 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
All but one of the starters from last year’s line returned this year. This coaching staff/management decided they knew better and switched them around as well as changed to an entirely different scheme to which the players are not suited.
2012
LT – Veldheer
LG – Carlisle
C – Wisniewski
RG – Briesel
RT – Barnes
2011
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wisniewski
C – Satele
RG – Carlisle
RT – Barnes
2011 – Up to the day McFadden got injured #1 rushing team in the league. High powered offense even with the moron Campbell at QB
2012 – Same offensive linemen, healthy significantly better Palmer at QB, healthy McFadden. Worst team in the NFL.
How do you not blame the brand new Owner, Head Coach, and GM??? The 2011 team was leading most of the games we lost going into the 3rd or 4th qtr and lost mostly due to bombastic prevent defense by Bresnahan. Why such faithful loyalty to these three imbeciles! All they have shown you so far is unmitigated failure after failure!
Regardless of whether we kept Hue, or hired Allen. Knapp implements the offense Allen wants, so to blame him is pointless. We should have fixed the problems with out 2ndary and continue to roll on with the success we already had on offense.
99% of the blame should be placed at the feet of the three stooges.
Nailed IT! Exactly what i was thinking.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Flores sounds off again: Midway through the fourth quarter, the Broncos faced a 3rd and 3 and Raiders DB Joselio Hanson was lined up eight yards off the receiver. “That’s ridiculous,” Flores said. “That’s elementary football.”
September 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Reggie will cheer everyone up by announcing the signing of some other no name loser from some practice squad to ’shore things up”.
Have fun with your 1-4 team playing in front of 20k at the OCO against the Jags. Way to go.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The FACTS are that this team went from being a defensive stop away from winning the division to becoming the worst team in professional football…in short order.
Congrats Reggie. Well done.
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Only because the AFC West was the worst division in football last year.
8-8 to win the division….that’s not any benchmark.
Again, Knapp, DA and company are falling on their face.
Hue Jackson did himself no favors with the late season collapse and his performance after the season ended
September 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Post 170
Yeah I agree 200% all we needed was a good def Coord and I still like Hue Jackson. I also like Dennis Allen and wish somehow the two of them could be doing this together. Our Def is getting trashed weekly only one decent game and it wasn’t Pittsburgh. The corners can’t cover, period. We got out schemed today , but our front seven is playing much better. I know the stats may not support this but my eyes don’t lie. I see multiple Raiders on tackles, not one guy preventing the breakaway run. Yeah, Routt had problems but he may have adapted to the new scheme, money got int the way. Reggie made financial decisions not strictly football ones. End of the day, we should have kept the off, revamped the def, we would be competitive this year maybe compete for a wild card despite a rough schedule, but Reggie rather lose and collect draft picks and sign former Packers who didn’t play much in Green Bay for some strange reason, but they can come here, pick up a system after not being here for training camp and still outplay guys who were there for camp. Give me a break! Either they are playing a def Reggie is familiar and comfortable with and DA and Tarver are not innovating nothing or we have def for dummies that anybody can learn in a week. To be fair, we did play better with our Spencer and Bartell, but with the soft coverage and non-existent 3rd down def as a result, I’d rather die all at once, watch Routt get beat by a bomb ( more accurately, get a PI called on him) while he was at least close to the guy vs this slow death hope the QB makes a bad throw defense.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The GM has hired a pu$$y HC who laughs after getting his a$$ handed to him by a division rival. And of course the HC also hires the worst OC in football….Oh but we are rebuilding. Too bad, there is no Franchise QB we are building around.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Duck
The cowboys changed offensive philosophy for one year during Smith’s years. Chan Gailey ran it back in the late ’90’s. They went from Power to a lot of pulling guards. It lasted all of one year. All of the rest of the OC’s in Dallas were clones, Turner, Zampeise and Reilly. Most teams find what works best for their franchise players and create an effective offense around that. That’s how Bill Walsh created the WCO. His strong-armed QB got injured and he had to make adjustments.That’s what coaches do. Make adjustments. My biggest concern with DA and Knapp is that they are so sold on their system that they can’t or won’t make adjustments to it. I think that Inside zone plays would work very well with DMAC. But the wide zone is a disaster. I’d love to see a combination of Inside Zone, Traps, and Counters to go with the passing game. Maybe that’s a discussion that the coaching staff will have this bye week.
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Yep. The inside zone plays work better than that piece of crap outside zone stretch.
We need to see more counters, traps and pulling guard plays in the run game….but we won’t.
DA and Allen are stubborn and stupid.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Today’s game similar to wk 2 @ MIA; 3rd qtr. stats: zero passing yards, zero 1st downs, 11 rushing yards, 21 points allowed. Just pathetic and unacceptable going into the bye week.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
DA has ZERO answers…
Looks lost after 4 games,
could he go Patrino?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Allen will be lucky to win 8 games in 2 years.
I’d rather have marques pope, Derrick gibson, Anthony dorsett then Michelle Huff .. Tyke Branch and Monique Mitchell
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Man take that back, that is messed up. Not those three
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“The Raiders allowed 125 points their first four games. That’s more than any Raiders team allowed during the first four games of a season during the Al Davis era.”
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Wow, let that sink in. So much for the difference this highly touted new scheme would bring, huh? Wow. Just wow.
And suddenly this rushing offense is 2nd worst in the league.
WTF happened? SH!T!!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The GM has hired a pu$$y HC who laughs after getting his a$$ handed to him by a division rival. And of course the HC also hires the worst OC in football….Oh but we are rebuilding. Too bad, there is no Franchise QB we are building around.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but I think Palmer is a franchise QB. He just has idiots running the team.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Hue’s ouster was political and it’s the same reason he hasn’t caught on with another team…it has nothing to do with him taking a team that lost their starting QB…the top rusher in the league, and key receivers due to injury, and was saddled with a DC he didn’t pick.
And still put a team together that could compete.
Unlike THIS pathetic garbage we saw out there today.
8-8 looks like an unattainable dream from where this pos team is at right now.
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Exactly. Hue’s ouster was a emotional, overzealous political decision and not about what was best for the team and keeping some positive continuity that Hue brought to the offense and the whole building.
He just needed a better DC and a modern D scheme to work with and work on the penalties.
People who wanted Hue Jackson fired were WRONG….period!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Here come the BOO Birds!!
Later Nation
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
“Again, Knapp, DA and company are falling on their face.”
SNB, We do agree on that point.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Taiwan Jones laughing on the bench in the 4th quarter
& DA laughing w/ Fox
We should all join them and take things lightly
lets laugh
LOL
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Say what you want about Hue Jackson, but the guy was/is a master play caller. Easily the best we’ve had around here in 20-30 years. We were 8-8 last year based on his play calling alone. The guy was a miracle worker with us last year. No Darren for most of the year, a train wreck of a QB situation once Campbell went down, and a bunch of quitters on defense, and he at least gave us a season into the last week of the year.
Oh, and his reward, the new genius GM drove him to the airport as soon as he got to town, so he could bring in “his guy”. How’s that workin out big fella?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
If the Raider employees spent as much time doing their jobs as they do attempting to clean up “public opinion” on this BLOG we might be an average football team.
The fact of the matter is…and this is emotion aside…the GM takes the blame for our depleted cornerbacks….
He revamped the group….all of em’…..and they are quite possibly the weakest group in the NFL….allowing over 70% completions to QB’s…..
The one game we did win last week our QB called the plays….
So….what does that tell you?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
DA..about playing against manning……”we got the guys who we have and thats who we have to play with… “
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Below is a picture of DA right after we lost. If your still buying what he is selling more power to you. He lost me today. He is NOT a Raider.
http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/qLMbcr0lg_RWqtT41xkVgg–/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NoPTM2NTtjcj0xO2N3PTUxMjtkeD0xO2R5PTE7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9MzY1O3E9MTAwO3c9NTEy/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_NFL/201209301832667525519-p2.jpg
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Worst part for Raiders fans is for all intents and purposes the season is over. There will be no more sellouts in Oakland this season, no more home televised games this season, and apparently, very little reason for optimism. Bring in some more Green Bay castoffs Reggie. They’re working well. Of all the stinky, steaming piles of dung we fans have endured the past 10 years, this could very well turn out to be the worst. That’s what Raiders fans have to look forward to. Enjoy. Thanks Mark. Thanks Reggie.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Worthless Raider fans (probably worthless human beings):
Oakofshow
AmysInCharge
Al_is_theraiders
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders lose all momentum in lopsided loss vs. Broncos The Raiders get a week off on the heels of their 37-6 loss to the Denver Broncos on Sunday. Good thing, too, because the Raiders need all the time they can get for self reflection. That’s typically what teams do during the bye week, anyway. The… [...]
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“The Raiders allowed 125 points their first four games. That’s more than any Raiders team allowed during the first four games of a season during the Al Davis era.”
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Wow, let that sink in. So much for the difference this highly touted new scheme would bring, huh? Wow. Just wow.
And suddenly this rushing offense is 2nd worst in the league.
WTF happened? SH!T!!!!
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Yes..thank God we have a defensive minded HC now.
This is SO PATHETIC.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Power run blocking. We can’t pound the ball in close. Wear teams out in the second half. We need a hammer back but a blocking scheme that utilizes power and counters. Knapp must go. He has some ideas but should not be responsible for the offense
September 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
It’s not the same without Al.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
DA..about playing against manning……”we got the guys who we have and thats who we have to play with… “
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Yeah, I heard that too….
Translated: I’m not a good enough Coach to win with this group…..
September 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The GM has hired a pu$$y HC who laughs after getting his a$$ handed to him by a division rival. And of course the HC also hires the worst OC in football….Oh but we are rebuilding. Too bad, there is no Franchise QB we are building around.
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And the sick part is, we didn’t have to rebuild. Just pick up from where we left off last year with a new DC. The ZBS and wco is failure wrapped in a OC. We took it up the rear today and took it in hard.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Honest question.
Have any of you….EVER seen an NFL HC laff and smile after his team suffer ANY loss..no less one as horrific as this one was?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Get used to getting lit up.
The defense had NO TALENT from last year…and had to put Routt and Wimbley on the road which clogged the salary cap.
They signed two veteran starters and they both go down with injuries.
The depth players (DVD and Checkwa)couldn’t make it out of camp…..so they sign some best of the rest guys.
Add to that the slothfullness of Rolando, Seymour and Kelly….with a mix of no pass rusher….and this is what you get.
To be sure, the coaches are messing up.
But this train wreck is a combination of things….chickens are roosting right now
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
DA..about playing against manning……”we got the guys who we have and thats who we have to play with… “
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Then coach them the fck up.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
37-19 time of possession…uh can’t all be defense….or offense….or wait nevermind
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I just trip out on anyone saying Hue had to go period base on a 8-8 recored two year in a row. Record is what owners of football team base performance on. Period. leave all the other foolish talk out of the equation. Period. The Raiders would have been in a better position to compete this year! If you are looking to far in the future you can toss away all the gain you accumulated years past. That is what Mark and Reggie did. The funny thing ,well, it is not funny to me some feel all the other teams will be waiting for the Raiders to their stuff together. This is NFL Football.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Knapp has been a huge disappointment. One drive in particular that I recall from the game was in the 3rd quarter with three straight run plays with a sweep to the left on 3rd and about 4.
To be realistic, this team has very little talent at the WR and CB position but not much Reggie could’ve done with it.
Here’s to another high draft pick…..
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Below is a picture of DA right after we lost. If your still buying what he is selling more power to you. He lost me today. He is NOT a Raider.
http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/qLMbcr0lg_RWqtT41xkVgg–/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NoPTM2NTtjcj0xO2N3PTUxMjtkeD0xO2R5PTE7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9MzY1O3E9MTAwO3c9NTEy/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_NFL/201209301832667525519-p2.jpg
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You show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser! This picture makes me physically ill! So what, when he goes into the locker room he’s gonna put on his mad face?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
At this pathetic rate, hard to imagine Allen and knapp here next year.
Memo to Allen: you can rebound you know, all is not lost.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
LesterHayes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Say what you want about Hue Jackson, but the guy was/is a master play caller. Easily the best we’ve had around here in 20-30 years. We were 8-8 last year based on his play calling alone. The guy was a miracle worker with us last year. No Darren for most of the year, a train wreck of a QB situation once Campbell went down, and a bunch of quitters on defense, and he at least gave us a season into the last week of the year.
Oh, and his reward, the new genius GM drove him to the airport as soon as he got to town, so he could bring in “his guy”. How’s that workin out big fella?
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Exactly! Crazy how Hue was treated toward the end by Davis and McK. They refused to see that the positives Hue brought to the team and organization outweighed the negatives.
Now the team sucks again because of irrational decision making by Davis and McK.
Lousy!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I know. It’s just that DA doesn’t take this as serious as us dumb fans do. That’s all.
Hey..it’s just a game right? Yeah it is but really his smiling away after this game is ridiculous.
Never seen it before…EVER.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
If the picture of DA smiling after the game bothers you, shouldn’t you be mad also at all the players doing the same thing every week?
It’s a business to these players, their best friends in the league are the guys they share agents with not teammates, they train in the offseason with division foes, etc.
FANS always care 10X more than the players and coaches.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
We are in a rip and rebuild. Should only take 3-4 years!
Be patient!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Abp… Did you put your pants back on…Reggie thanks you
September 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Anal Comfort Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
At this pathetic rate, hard to imagine Allen and knapp here next year.
Memo to Allen: you can rebound you know, all is not lost.
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He doesn’t care…he thinks it’s funny.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Dennis Allen was laughing and hugging on Fox after the game?
Well, its official… we have a puzzy HC.
After getting his azz cornholed real good by his buddy and embarrassed AGAIN by losing to the F’N DENVER BRONQUEERS, he thinks its appropriate behavior to laugh it up.
What kind of example does that set for the team???
September 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
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September 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Eagles ran McCoy 5 straight times. That is some Greg Knapp offense there.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
That photo of DA laughing makes me want to puke. What are you laughing about DA? The hose job you’re giving the fans in Oakland. Saying the right things and doing the right things are polar opposites. DA, so far, has done nothing to endear himself to the fans. That photo sure doesn’t help. It’d be nice to have a real coach in Oakland again someday, wouldn’t it?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
No one on this staff seems ‘HUNGRY’…
HC is a players kid with a lifetime of coaching ahead of him.
Reggie has been old ting NFL checks for 25+ years…
Knapp is always gonna have work, based on this ‘good old boy’ network in the NFL.
REGGIE’s choice of DA is the first of many mistakes…
September 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Giants D-Line is just a tough group.
The Raiders have sooooo many soft-touch players that its an embarrassment to the sport
September 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
we will get some nice picks next year -reggie likes his picks! We will dump J.Ford, R. Seymour, T. Kelley and Ro mac salaries. maybe get some linemen that can play
September 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Ghosttothepost Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
That photo of DA laughing makes me want to puke. What are you laughing about DA? The hose job you’re giving the fans in Oakland. Saying the right things and doing the right things are polar opposites. DA, so far, has done nothing to endear himself to the fans. That photo sure doesn’t help. It’d be nice to have a real coach in Oakland again someday, wouldn’t it?
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You have a link?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Below is a picture of DA right after we lost. If your still buying what he is selling more power to you. He lost me today. He is NOT a Raider.
http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/qLMbcr0lg_RWqtT41xkVgg–/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NoPTM2NTtjcj0xO2N3PTUxMjtkeD0xO2R5PTE7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9MzY1O3E9MTAwO3c9NTEy/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_NFL/201209301832667525519-p2.jpg
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You show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser! This picture makes me physically ill! So what, when he goes into the locker room he’s gonna put on his mad face?
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You know, I’m usually not one to read into things too much but I’m not happy with this either. No coach should be smiling like that after getting his azz handed to him.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The GM has hired a pu$$y HC who laughs after getting his a$$ handed to him by a division rival. And of course the HC also hires the worst OC in football….Oh but we are rebuilding. Too bad, there is no Franchise QB we are building around.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but I think Palmer is a franchise QB. He just has idiots running the team.
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I agree…Except all these morons who say we are “rebuilding”…Well rebuilding around what? Denarius Moore?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
That picture even with your old boss is not the Raider way.
Why doesn’t Reggie help him, he used to be a Raider?
Our season starts and end on draft day, same as its been for 10 years
September 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
“Honest question.
Have any of you….EVER seen an NFL HC laff and smile after his team suffer ANY loss..no less one as horrific as this one was?”
NO!!
I have never seen that before its disturbing like that picture of McClain smiling in hand cuffs!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
If the picture of DA smiling after the game bothers you, shouldn’t you be mad also at all the players doing the same thing every week?
It’s a business to these players, their best friends in the league are the guys they share agents with not teammates, they train in the offseason with division foes, etc.
FANS always care 10X more than the players and coaches.
…….
Harbaugh doesn’t do it. Either one of them. Bill B. doesn’t do it either. Don’t remember Cowher doing sh!t like that either.
Only puzzy coaches do it.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Dennis Allen was laughing and hugging on Fox after the game?
Well, its official… we have a puzzy HC.
After getting his azz cornholed real good by his buddy and embarrassed AGAIN by losing to the F’N DENVER BRONQUEERS, he thinks its appropriate behavior to laugh it up.
What kind of example does that set for the team???
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The players do the same thing. Fox and Allen are friends. STFU
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Below is a picture of DA right after we lost. If your still buying what he is selling more power to you. He lost me today. He is NOT a Raider.
http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/qLMbcr0lg_RWqtT41xkVgg–/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NoPTM2NTtjcj0xO2N3PTUxMjtkeD0xO2R5PTE7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9MzY1O3E9MTAwO3c9NTEy/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/AP_NFL/201209301832667525519-p2.jpg
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You show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser! This picture makes me physically ill! So what, when he goes into the locker room he’s gonna put on his mad face?
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You know, I’m usually not one to read into things too much but I’m not happy with this either. No coach should be smiling like that after getting his azz handed to him.
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That’s our “smart, tough, disciplined” coach
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
If the picture of DA smiling after the game bothers you, shouldn’t you be mad also at all the players doing the same thing every week?
It’s a business to these players, their best friends in the league are the guys they share agents with not teammates, they train in the offseason with division foes, etc.
FANS always care 10X more than the players and coaches.
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I’ve seen players do that and yes it DOES bother me, but I have NEVER seen a HC do that.
I’ve seen the tap on the back or the friendly handshake and the “best o luck to ya” slap etc. but never the happy go lucky smile just after a loss.
Maybe it’s happened, but honestly I have never seen it.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Albert it’s on post 313
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
The second AL kicked the bucket, this scheme went into place. Get rid of Hue, and bring in a donkey deciple to set us back another decade..they don’t want us to win boys..period..they dont want us to win..Hue was the last link we had to AL, without him..theres gona be a lot of lonely nights between Mark and Knapp doing lines of coke in the back of a dimly lit bar…sorry fellas, we got jobbed..
September 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
335,
Link didn’t work.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Hue engaged with the fans and community and brought positive energy….regardless of what some people say.
Has DA engaged with the fans as much as Hue did and has been active in the community as Hue was??
September 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Who am I kidding?
Mumbles ‘loves’ his draft picks and wants the best one possible,
This staff will assure a top 3 pick for a few years…
BRAVO
September 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
2romes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I just trip out on anyone saying Hue had to go period base on a 8-8 recored two year in a row. Record is what owners of football team base performance on. Period. leave all the other foolish talk out of the equation. Period. The Raiders would have been in a better position to compete this year! If you are looking to far in the future you can toss away all the gain you accumulated years past. That is what Mark and Reggie did. The funny thing ,well, it is not funny to me some feel all the other teams will be waiting for the Raiders to their stuff together. This is NFL Football.
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You all are acting like Hue was an 11-5 team that missed the playoffs.
That team was marginal….
And then Hue boss hogs it and sells out his team, tells the owner what to do, and runs to Mike Silver.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
What would have Al Davis done to DA joking with his mentor Fox
Wow
It makes me sick to see that
That coach is a boy
September 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Yeah, Tony Dungy never smiled after a loss, lol.
Him and Lovie Smith nearly started making out after their Super Bowl.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
If the picture of DA smiling after the game bothers you, shouldn’t you be mad also at all the players doing the same thing every week?
It’s a business to these players, their best friends in the league are the guys they share agents with not teammates, they train in the offseason with division foes, etc.
FANS always care 10X more than the players and coaches.
…….
Harbaugh doesn’t do it. Either one of them. Bill B. doesn’t do it either. Don’t remember Cowher doing sh!t like that either.
Only puzzy coaches do it.
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No. You won’t see hard nosed coaches do it….EVER.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Jimmyball12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
The second AL kicked the bucket, this scheme went into place. Get rid of Hue, and bring in a donkey deciple to set us back another decade..they don’t want us to win boys..period..they dont want us to win..Hue was the last link we had to AL, without him..theres gona be a lot of lonely nights between Mark and Knapp doing lines of coke in the back of a dimly lit bar…sorry fellas, we got jobbed..
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You might want to tighten up your tinfoil a bit. The HAAARP mind control rays are seeping in…
September 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I will take the loud mouth, energetic, competitive pedicure guy, yet solid offensive play caller in Hue ahead of the post game laughing ex Donkey coach who just got his butt whooped!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
what do you guys think if we beat atlanta and go 2-3??
September 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Al would have worked DA over with a bag of oranges on the charter…
Would have been the end of DA’s image as a leader,
Not sure he actually has that image in the locker room anyway…
September 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DA ain’t going nowhere campuses then Reggie won’t be able to attract anyone other than Winston Moss, or some other Packer retread. Here’s an idea, bring Charles Woodson back. He can play corner better than we got healthy right now and he learned how to be a leader. Somehow, they found the money to pay the guy in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and WRs and other first round draft picks
September 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
2romes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I just trip out on anyone saying Hue had to go period base on a 8-8 recored two year in a row. Record is what owners of football team base performance on. Period. leave all the other foolish talk out of the equation. Period. The Raiders would have been in a better position to compete this year! If you are looking to far in the future you can toss away all the gain you accumulated years past. That is what Mark and Reggie did. The funny thing ,well, it is not funny to me some feel all the other teams will be waiting for the Raiders to their stuff together. This is NFL Football.
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You all are acting like Hue was an 11-5 team that missed the playoffs.
That team was marginal….
And then Hue boss hogs it and sells out his team, tells the owner what to do, and runs to Mike Silver.
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Firing Hue as political and wasn’t about wins and losses.
Don’t you get that?
Firing Hue was a mistake by Davis and McK….period!
Just admit it and you will feel bit better….but not really.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Jimmyball12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
what do you guys think if we beat atlanta and go 2-3??
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We won’t.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
him.
330.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The GM has hired a pu$$y HC who laughs after getting his a$$ handed to him by a division rival. And of course the HC also hires the worst OC in football….Oh but we are rebuilding. Too bad, there is no Franchise QB we are building around.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but I think Palmer is a franchise QB. He just has idiots running the team.
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I agree…Except all these morons who say we are “rebuilding”…Well rebuilding around what? Denarius Moore?
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I think the offense would look better if DHB and J. Ford were out there.
but there not. so they have to do with what they have.
If you expect the #4 and #5 to be beast receivers…then I think that’s unfair.
The Raiders needed to reload for a long time.
Need LG, RG, RT, DT, NT, DE, OLB, MLB, FS, SS, CB, CB
and maybe a QB too if the housecleaing starts.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Yeah, Tony Dungy never smiled after a loss, lol.
Him and Lovie Smith nearly started making out after their Super Bowl.
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Dungy was smiling CUZ HE WON. Lovie was congratulating him on being the first african american coach to win a SB..but he wasn’t sporting a beeming smile. I remember it exactly. I watched it.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Somehow, they found the money to pay the guy in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and WRs and other first round draft picks
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Because they weren’t paying a mediocre DB and edge-rusher, along with two middling DT’s, $50 million a year.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Old man Al would have never hired a ex Donkey coach who was only 39 years old…especially if he was a former DC.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Aye aye aye yae…if only we had a solid Defense last year..ehhhhh
September 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So, are these two hard nosed coaches p*ssies?
http://nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-spt-111124-harbaugh-brothers-906p.nbcsports-story-612.jpg
September 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
2romes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I just trip out on anyone saying Hue had to go period base on a 8-8 recored two year in a row. Record is what owners of football team base performance on. Period. leave all the other foolish talk out of the equation. Period. The Raiders would have been in a better position to compete this year! If you are looking to far in the future you can toss away all the gain you accumulated years past. That is what Mark and Reggie did. The funny thing ,well, it is not funny to me some feel all the other teams will be waiting for the Raiders to their stuff together. This is NFL Football.
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You all are acting like Hue was an 11-5 team that missed the playoffs.
That team was marginal….
And then Hue boss hogs it and sells out his team, tells the owner what to do, and runs to Mike Silver.
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No we’re not acting like it was an 11-5 team. Just a team that utilized its talent and was ready to break through with Hue/Carson/DMC. BTW, how does that marginal team look compared to this sh!t? We’re guaranteeing ourself a top 5 pick, with these jokers in charge, but keep spinning it anyway you want O’Reilly.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
FOX: thanks for bending over like that Denisse, I enjoyed that.
ALLEN: no problem boss, anytime
September 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I agree. Hue’s team was marginal. Mrginal is pretty darn good when u lose you BEST PLAYER, starting QB and are saddled with a DC u had no voice in hiring.
Marginal is worlds better than THE WORST TEAM IN FOOTBALL.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Jimmyball12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
what do you guys think if we beat atlanta and go 2-3??
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We won’t.
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Atlanta will kick the snot out of Raiders in two weeks.
Then the Raiders might have a shot at beating another crappy team like the Jags at home.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
sorry link is on Yahoo sports just go to pic number 15. Even crap I can’t even compare that to any coach we’ve ever had would do something like this. And the pathetic part is that Jerry or any of the people in the media will care. Its just us crazy fans who actually think that this means anything. DA is truly pathetic. I thought maybe he was just in over his head but his heart was in the right place. I thought that it would stink to see him successful somewhere else after he moved on and learned how to coach in Oakland. But this shows me the true side of DA. Fake, Pathetic and everything that ANY Coach in Any sport would never do. He would rather share a good time with his pals who just beat his team than actually care. This is on you Reggie. No doubt they will find a way to explain this away. He looks happier today than he did vs. Pittsburgh!!!!!!!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I agree. Hue’s team was marginal. Mrginal is pretty darn good when u lose you BEST PLAYER, starting QB and are saddled with a DC u had no voice in hiring.
Marginal is worlds better than THE WORST TEAM IN FOOTBALL.
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EXACTLY! Some people just don’t get it.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
“Jimmyball12 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
what do you guys think if we beat atlanta and go 2-3??”
I would think that I was on an acid trip and I would wonder if I was coming down in time to go to work?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
So, are these two hard nosed coaches p*ssies?
http://nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-spt-111124-harbaugh-brothers-906p.nbcsports-story-612.jpg
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Jesus those 2 are brothers in SEPERATE conferences, not division rivals.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Reggie is probably eyeing the draft and missed the smiling sycophantic pose. DA, we don’t lose we’ll, not to division foes, not in the regular season. We can smile like that in Pre-season, that’s it.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
JT Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
FOX: thanks for bending over like that Denisse, I enjoyed that.
ALLEN: no problem boss, anytime
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Make sure you smile like you like it for the camera cutie pie.
Yeah…that’s it. Now repeat after me…”I am Denver’s beyotch”. That’s it. Good boy.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
The only player that seemed genuinely enraged at what was going on was Palmer.
Everyone else couldn’t wait to the after-game midfield meet and greet to exchange strip club itinearies.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
I predicted us to start 1-4 then beat JX, KC, and TB…just saying…maybe we beat Atlanta even..any given Sunday young-ens…any given sunday..and..were the Raiders..
September 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Fox: Denisse, ill see you nex time, be sure to bring along your roomate Grregory, hes mighty handsome.
Allen: no problem boss.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Its just us crazy fans who actually think that this means anything.
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Yup, all that Raider nostalgia stuff was nonsense to get you to spend money.
Players don’t care, coaches don’t care.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
LOL, this Bud Light commercial is supposed to be at a Raiders game. No one in the crowd looked remotely like a Raider fan. It’s all part of the conspiracy to sanitize Raider Nation.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
were gona be 7-7 week 16 against Carolina…
September 30th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
“The only player that seemed genuinely enraged at what was going on was Palmer.
Everyone else couldn’t wait to the after-game midfield meet and greet to exchange strip club itinearies.”
I saw that too what the hell is going on here!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
LOL, this Bud Light commercial is supposed to be at a Raiders game. No one in the crowd looked remotely like a Raider fan. It’s all part of the conspiracy to sanitize Raider Nation
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They wana break us man, and now that al’s gone they can..they sent in DA to do the job from the inside..
September 30th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Jerry better raise this question to DA at the next presser or its on. I’ve never seen coaches not related have such a good time in such a heated rivalry.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Oh, i’m sure bad boy DA will have an answer for his “daddy” when they come to Oakland.
Yeah right.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Talk about a deal breaker!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,lego:19780928:top,photo,a9139d91-49d7-329b-80a7-ccec94fbec96-l:1
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Raider Nation welcome to your Oakland Packers.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
It almost seems like we’ve already all mailed it in.
Seems like DA losing the players and the fans by laughing, and by suggesting the fault is with the player talent, not the scheme or coaching.
That’s like blaming the GM too. Like Cable saying “we’re not losers anymore”. Wonder if RM takes offense to that.
RM and DA unfortunately sold themselves out with Knapp and that scheme. They’ve all insisted it’s not schematic but personnel. Like giving them an excuse to blame the current roster, giving them excuse to cut and trade the Al Davis roster as tho to blame that entirely, buy them 3+ years under Mark to completely replace the roster with McKenzie players. I don’t think RM/DA have the balls to admit they’re at fault, that anything they’ve done is wrong, like hiring Knapp, and if the glass half-empty in me says they probably ride the season out and next letting players go, trading good players for zone specialists, end up with a very mediocre roster that understands the scheme but is underwhelming in talent, end up with a slow boring Jaguars or Buccaneers type of roster, completely un-Raider-like.
Then franchise gets sold to AEG in LA etc etc.
The sky is still falling!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I think these recent Labor negotiations has further strengthened the players and coaches love for each other and hatred towards their bosses.
Guarantee that 90% of our players would rather go to war for Philip Rivers than Mark Davis/Al Davis or Amy Trask.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Like I said….f all things donkey including da….
September 30th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Oakland FudgePackers is a better description.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
rolando had a concussion..oh wait that was two games ago..he just looked like he was playing with one today
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Jerry and steve have no huevos…they will not ask the real questions….
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Talk about a deal breaker!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,lego:19780928:top,photo,a9139d91-49d7-329b-80a7-ccec94fbec96-l:1
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Maybe Fox made a Tebow joke.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
90% of our players would jump at the opportunity to play for the Chiefs, Chargers or Donkeys, for an extra $100 per diem per travel day.
Same with Chargers players going to Oakland, KC, Denver, etc.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
“in Reggie we bust”
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I think these recent Labor negotiations has further strengthened the players and coaches love for each other and hatred towards their bosses.
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Guarantee that 90% of our players would rather go to war for Philip Rivers than Mark Davis/Al Davis or Amy Trask.
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Scarily true..good call..but darn…hurts
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Now we know why Fox was encouraging DA to come to Oakland.
Fox is all about WINNING (unlike our current administration) and he knew we would take a precipitious drop for yrs. to come with a lamer like DA taking over.
Fox is happy as hell DA took over here.
I’m sure at the handshake it wnet something like “Man. I’m glad it’s you that took the job. I was worried you guys were gonna be competition for us this yr.”.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
no use whining. Raiders just don’t have the players this year due to mostly bad Al Davis personnel and draft decisions for the last ten years prior.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Allen: Gregory, nice play calling
Knapp: OMG! Nex we go to Atlanta, my ol job! Yeiiii
September 30th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Saints will beat Chargers next week.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Man, it’s hard to watch two good teams like Philly and NY play … the realization of being a Raiders fan really sets in.
The last time the Raiders hired a donkey coach, his name was Mike Shanahan and I think he lasted four games before Al dropped the guillotine.
I never thought it would happen again … and here we are … back to the future.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
JFB,
Those players fight to win for their teammates.
Tellin me that Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins could care less.
The lack of accountabilty and passion in Oakland is unique to the awful players that pollute the roster
September 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Ghosttothepost Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Man, it’s hard to watch two good teams like Philly and NY play … the realization of being a Raiders fan really sets in.
The last time the Raiders hired a donkey coach, his name was Mike Shanahan and I think he lasted four games before Al dropped the guillotine.
I never thought it would happen again … and here we are … back to the future.
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He was fired 4 games into his second year.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Its unique in a culture more comfortable cashing checks for nothing…and making some plays in garbage time to justify that pay
September 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
The other coaches in the AFC West’s main concern is winning..and winning NOW. NFL stands for ‘not for long’ which is how long they stay on if they lose. They know this.
Noone is happier about DA coming here than EVERY OTHER COACH IN THE AFC WEST.
Now they know we can be their beyotches for at least a while longer while they rack up the lopsided wins.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
First … second year … he sucked the whole time he was here
September 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Ghosttothepost Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Man, it’s hard to watch two good teams like Philly and NY play … the realization of being a Raiders fan really sets in.
The last time the Raiders hired a donkey coach, his name was Mike Shanahan and I think he lasted four games before Al dropped the guillotine.
I never thought it would happen again … and here we are … back to the future.
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He was fired 4 games into his second year.
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And that was after a year-long power struggle between Al and Shanahan that saw six assistants fired and members of the coaching staff openly mocking each other.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Tellin me that Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins could care less.
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HOF players, that’s why I said 90% in my posts.
There is the 10% always. I am sure Shane was ticked off, Palmer was, maybe a few others that were REALLY mad.
Most were focusing on vacation plans about midway through the 3rd quarter.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Alswingman Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
no use whining. Raiders just don’t have the players this year due to mostly bad Al Davis personnel and draft decisions for the last ten years prior.
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And what do draft picks from 2005 have to do right now?
What does Al’s decisions have to do with Reggie’s failures so far?(Knapp, Allen, Hoffman, Briesel, any GB player he signed, Goodson over Taiwann)
September 30th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Shanahan almost made the playoffs his first year with Raiders. The lost season finale against Seahawks that would have own the divison. I remember the Seahawks won the West at 9-7.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Would you guys rather have a coach that gets pictures at the spa getting a pedicure,
or a coach that laughs and jokes around with Division Rival Coach after getting azz handed to him.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Who, exactly, do you brilliant thinkers suppose is going to be the one to fire RM and DA? Ya think Mark Davis is going to fire ‘his guy’ after 4 games? Or even one season? You are so deluded that it defies basic common logic.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I remember a big deal being made of Shanahan not letting Raider players sit on their helmets on sideline.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Alswingman Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
no use whining. Raiders just don’t have the players this year due to mostly bad Al Davis personnel and draft decisions for the last ten years prior.
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And what do draft picks from 2005 have to do right now?
What does Al’s decisions have to do with Reggie’s failures so far?(Knapp, Allen, Hoffman, Briesel, any GB player he signed, Goodson over Taiwann)
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Reggie had nothing to do with hiring Knapp or Hoffman. Those were DA’s hires.
Playing Goodson over Taiwan is a similar DA call.
Brisiel was SUPPOSED to be a stalwart at RG. Who knew he’d take his check and stop caring?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
All Allen could be heard saying as he walked about his old digs was ‘up the ass’. Yes, we took it up the ass. Took it good. A good old fashioned anal probing, straight up the ass.
“Hows it look up there?”
“How does anything look up the ass”.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Dominique Rogers-Cromartie….made a play.
That’s what it takes…making plays
September 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
weve lost our emotion, we are very vanilla on offense and defense. reggie gets time and he’ll get a pass for the secondary issues this year but hes got to get some playmakers in here. 1-10 on 3rd down, 1-12 on 3rd down in miami..
September 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
From another board
I love how the apologists harp on how we were close but didn’t make it and that’s all that matters. Ok, we didn’t make it. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. But we were CLOSE. After 7 years of a miserable failure of a team, we had two years of being tremendously improved and being on the cusp of a playoff birth.
You keep Hue at coach give him a tuned in Carson Palmer and a healthy McFadden along with the development of Wiz + Veldheer in the PBS and you guys somehow think we aren’t competing for the playoffs again? Sorry guys, I know it hurts to hear but our GM/coach took a team who would have competed for the playoffs, a young team that does NOT need to rebuild, and turned them into a mockery. Turned them into statistically the worst Raiders defense EVER. Turned a top 10 offense into a discombobulated bunch of individuals. Turned one of the most dangerous backs in the NFL into a non-factor. STOP BEING BLIND. A Hue lead team with Carson + McFadden is a competitive one. People talk about “ohhhh Allen is a rookie HC he needs time” and forget that Hue was a rookie HC last year as well and showed 10 times the heart and guts that this guy is showing and approximately 9 billion times the playcalling ability that the joke that shall not be named has shown. A rookie HC kept an injury laden team who need a QB change midway through the season at 8-8. Allen isn’t going to get our completely healthy team to 3 wins let alone
September 30th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Gotta bring some vet leadership next year. Gotta let go Seymour, kelly, and Slowlando. Bring in tough nosed coaching. The Tom coughing, Marty Schottenheimer mold. Can’t win with current leadership….
September 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Talk about a deal breaker!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,lego:19780928:top,photo,a9139d91-49d7-329b-80a7-ccec94fbec96-l:1
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Maybe Fox made a Tebow joke.
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Tebow would rape DA’s pos defense for 300 + yds. and 4 TD’s.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Hue is gone. Get over it. Accept it. Or don’t. The rest of the Raiders fans will move on and leave you behind to wipe Hue’s Jackson off your chin.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Reggie had nothing to do with hiring Knapp or Hoffman. Those were DA’s hires.
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No, but he hired the crappy HC who hired those 2 idiots.
Playing Goodson over Taiwan is a similar DA call.
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Oh I bet. I guess it doesn’t matter, Knapp would make him invisible too.
Brisiel was SUPPOSED to be a stalwart at RG. Who knew he’d take his check and stop caring?
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LOL! I thought Reggie was bringing in guys who had so much charachter?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Would you guys rather have a coach that gets pictures at the spa getting a pedicure,
or a coach that laughs and jokes around with Division Rival Coach after getting azz handed to him.
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I’ll take Tom Cable
September 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
From another board
I love how the apologists harp on how we were close but didn’t make it and that’s all that matters. Ok, we didn’t make it. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. But we were CLOSE. After 7 years of a miserable failure of a team, we had two years of being tremendously improved and being on the cusp of a playoff birth.
You keep Hue at coach give him a tuned in Carson Palmer and a healthy McFadden along with the development of Wiz + Veldheer in the PBS and you guys somehow think we aren’t competing for the playoffs again? Sorry guys, I know it hurts to hear but our GM/coach took a team who would have competed for the playoffs, a young team that does NOT need to rebuild, and turned them into a mockery. Turned them into statistically the worst Raiders defense EVER. Turned a top 10 offense into a discombobulated bunch of individuals. Turned one of the most dangerous backs in the NFL into a non-factor. STOP BEING BLIND. A Hue lead team with Carson + McFadden is a competitive one. People talk about “ohhhh Allen is a rookie HC he needs time” and forget that Hue was a rookie HC last year as well and showed 10 times the heart and guts that this guy is showing and approximately 9 billion times the playcalling ability that the joke that shall not be named has shown. A rookie HC kept an injury laden team who need a QB change midway through the season at 8-8. Allen isn’t going to get our completely healthy team to 3 wins let alone
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how many teams rebuild after being 1 game away from the playoffs..mind blowing
September 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
alswingman Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
no use whining. Raiders just don’t have the players this year due to mostly bad Al Davis personnel and draft decisions for the last ten years prior.
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Disagree. This is essentially the same team as last year, but with a HUGE upgrade at QB, a healthy DMC. Corners are horrible, but they were last year too.
The 2011 team was inches from the playoffs despite losing their Starting QB, RB, and multitude of other startes, and despite an incompetent DC in Breshnhan
The talant is there. The losses this year are all about the scheme, and coaching. The blame should be laid squarely at the feet of the three stooges.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Tom cable just b-slap Krappy again….
September 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
408,
Kinda like how did Al know that Jamarcus wouldn’t care.
Yet Al gets roasted for not knowing that.
Reggie? He gets a pass.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Last years corners hands up better than this years
September 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Maybe the team has mailed it in. How else can you explain knapps failure to get points and a defense that cant get off the field.
You can only take it up the ass for so long before it becomes a routine experience.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
why is pryor inactive, cant there be a handful of plays for him just to mix it up
September 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Dennis was probably laughing because he heard a Raider fan say that Reggie was going to be fired.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
408,
Kinda like how did Al know that Jamarcus wouldn’t care.
Yet Al gets roasted for not knowing that.
Reggie? He gets a pass.
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No chit
September 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Shoot, DA looks more happy than Fox.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
alswingman Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
no use whining. Raiders just don’t have the players this year due to mostly bad Al Davis personnel and draft decisions for the last ten years prior.
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Disagree. This is essentially the same team as last year, but with a HUGE upgrade at QB, a healthy DMC. Corners are horrible, but they were last year too.
The 2011 team was inches from the playoffs despite losing their Starting QB, RB, and multitude of other startes, and despite an incompetent DC in Breshnhan
The talant is there. The losses this year are all about the scheme, and coaching. The blame should be laid squarely at the feet of the three stooges.
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Agreed
September 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
nyraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
weve lost our emotion, we are very vanilla on offense and defense. reggie gets time and he’ll get a pass for the secondary issues this year but hes got to get some playmakers in here. 1-10 on 3rd down, 1-12 on 3rd down in miami..
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Reggie ain’t gettin a pass….LMOL
September 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Pathetic. I’ve traveled to the O to watch at least one game a year from where ever I’ve lived in the US. It will not happen this year. This is not an overreaction, just simply a protest with the direction of the organization. You can blame Al all you want, but he at least had this team headed in the right direction. Who would have thought that a Bresnahan led defense would look like the 85′ Bears compared to what we have now. We were so close to competing and now look 5-6 years away. Knapp has taken a Cadillac of an offense and turned it into a Pinto. I’ve been through the last 10 years like the rest of you, but this is the most discouraged I have ever felt aboput our team. With all that said I still get excited every week and root until I can no longer speak. Raider Nation til’ I die…………….I just hope the new regime feels the same way.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
He is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SECONDARY….
100%
September 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Kinda like how did Al know that Jamarcus wouldn’t care.
Yet Al gets roasted for not knowing that.
Reggie? He gets a pass.
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Al had 50 years of GM experience going into that decision.
Reggie didn’t even have 50 days of experience putting together this roster.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The problem now is definitely the porous offensive line, no pass rusher, and a horrendous secondary. It’s the players, and not Reggie or the coaches. Face reality. The talent is just not here.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
To ALL RAIDER EMPLOYEE’S
I was speaking out against this secondary and the GM the day after the draft….
the day we completely ignored the position entirely…
While this BLOG was full of optimism I WAS TELLING YOU ALL HOW IT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN!
& YOU KNOW IT
DO you think Matt Ryan is going to lay down for ya in 2 weeks? LOL…..
September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Last years corners hands up better than this years
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That is the truth, but that is like saying Romney is better than Gingrich. In the end, you still have a loser!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Beach Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The problem now is definitely the porous offensive line, no pass rusher, and a horrendous secondary. It’s the players, and not Reggie or the coaches. Face reality. The talent is just not here.
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So explain to me how Hue’s offense was more successful than Greg Knapp’s. You know, explain all the HOF’ers on offense Hue had to work with
September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
they probably ride the season out and next letting players go, trading good players for zone specialists, end up with a very mediocre roster that understands the scheme but is underwhelming in talent,
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???????????
Has there been an example of this?
Why would you think the GM doesn’t want good players?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Here’s how the conversation went that led to the laughs:
Fox: You guys suck.
Allen: Yeah, I know. But we got ‘em believing it’s a rebuilding season. Funny stuff.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Kinda like how did Al know that Jamarcus wouldn’t care.
Yet Al gets roasted for not knowing that.
Reggie? He gets a pass.
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Al had 50 years of GM experience going into that decision.
Reggie didn’t even have 50 days of experience putting together this roster.
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Well what was he doing in GB? Eating Bratwursts while Ted Thompson did everything?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
The Davis loyalists are talking about not going to games? Probably the best ticket promotion ever! They should make ads announcing that.
“Remember those annoying Raider fans who ruined game after game for you and your family? They’re gone now! They’re boycotting the team because they don’t like new management. Call now for ticket plans!”
September 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
To ALL RAIDER EMPLOYEE’S
I was speaking out against this secondary and the GM the day after the draft….
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So who do you bring in to play corner? Who’s coming in at an affordable cap friendly salary?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Tebow would rape DA’s pos defense for 300 + yds. and 4 TD’s.
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Tebow cant even beat out Sanchez.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
I called our secondary a platter of shat all offseason.
I am sure The Reggie will learn from his mistakes, and invest heavily in the position this offseason.
If not, than he will probably get canned eventually.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
You guys are going in circles. The past is the past. Al is gone and so is Hue. There are many reasons this team is in the shape it is.
Sheez, you sound like a bunch of old ladies.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Eli going to do it again.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
BSmith37, please use your money wisely. You are not missing anything in Oakland this season. It won’t take 5 years, if Reggie knows what he is doing. I think next season we should be competitive and be exciting to watch again in 2014.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Now I know what Mark’s doing! He’s purposely driving the bad element out of the stadium by building a team he knows they won’t support. God speed, my boy.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
He is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SECONDARY….
100%
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Al drafted Huff and Branch. Signed Gio.
TEs and the middle of the field is what’s killing us.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Asomugha looks horrible out there.
Another great talent
September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
i like all the salary cap hell people…al never had a problem with the salary cap….reggie cant add…
September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
we were 6 million under the cap per cork before signing carter. 6 million could have brought us a legit cb
September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Well what was he doing in GB? Eating Bratwursts while Ted Thompson did everything?
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Well, he certainly wasn’t running the show all by himself, with no draft picks or salary cap space.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
They’re the champions for a reason. And you don’t beat the champions by squandering opportunities. Check it: Same ol G Men….same ol Eagles.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
To ALL RAIDER EMPLOYEE’S
I was speaking out against this secondary and the GM the day after the draft….
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So who do you bring in to play corner? Who’s coming in at an affordable cap friendly salary?
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That’s not my job….that position is currently filled….
But you can bet your lucky stars the position will be open soon!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
we were 6 million under the cap per cork before signing carter. 6 million could have brought us a legit cb
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NFL.com had us at barely under 2 million after restructuing TK week 1.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
436. I will explain. It is partly Knapp’s fault, yes. But, we were thrown a curve with no Ford and Moore missing the entire preseason, plus we let go of Michael Bush. Criner has been hurt, and just when DHB has a good game, he gets his head knocked off! It stinks, but nothing can go our way.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
We’re going to have to wait till second half of season to get a good read on this team.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Kinda like how did Al know that Jamarcus wouldn’t care.
Yet Al gets roasted for not knowing that.
Reggie? He gets a pass.
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Al had 50 years of GM experience going into that decision.
Reggie didn’t even have 50 days of experience putting together this roster.
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I’m talking about the Raiders defense. The same one who (counting penalties) was the worst defense since the 1952 Texans. Yet this one..THIS yr. did the almost impossible …they are worse.
Raiders D couldn’t stop Tebow last yr. what makes you think they could do it this yr. if they played him?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Is it me or does Sullivan44 seem like a troll out to beat off to whoever pays any attention to him??
September 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
J Hill Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
He is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SECONDARY….
100%
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Al drafted Huff and Branch. Signed Gio.
TEs and the middle of the field is what’s killing us.
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Okay….I meant corners…however….Gio is just fine and so is Branch….
And I said trade Huff prior to the season…..while he still had a little value…..now that value is gone….along with any confidence the man ever had…..
The day Huff spoke out against Mr. Davis about finally playing in a “REAL DEFENSE” I was done….
NEXT!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Raiders D couldn’t stop Tebow last yr. what makes you think they could do it this yr. if they played him?
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This defense would do much better against Tebow than last year’s team. It’s passing QBs they can’t stop. Plus Allen knows Tebow better than anybody.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Branch is downright awful in coverage.
I am not sure he is much better than Derrick Gibson once he gets in a backpedal.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
sulky is whiner fan been documented before….
September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Thanks for the attention, BSmith. I’ll grab some tissue.
I don’t like Knapp as OC either. But I still believe in the McKenzie system. Same flow chart. It’s on Dennis to change the OC. My guess Knapp gets one season. And that’s fair enough for me. The bed and breakfast guy had a year.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
We suck we couldn’t beat a nursing home team
September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
there were many cbs available in july. reggie decided to go with an injury prone cb who had an int since 2008 and a 9 year 3rd down cb whose never had more than 4 ints.he decided to spend money on branch who is not a playmaker just a guy who runs around. end result? reggie’s secondary will threaten to break the houston oilers 1961 record of only 3 ints. oh and btw, they only played 14 games..
September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
BSmith37 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Is it me or does Sullivan44 seem like a troll out to beat off to whoever pays any attention to him??
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Sullivan is one of the few level headed people on this blog.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
WOW this Guy rips the Raiders a new one. Raider Fans this is a must Watch. He gives it to Coach DA too. See for yourself.
http://youtu.be/IAcR_HkDr2I
September 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
nyraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
we were 6 million under the cap per cork before signing carter. 6 million could have brought us a legit cb
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He’s saving it for later… just like DA was saving his challenge…in case we needed it LATER…
If it wasn’t so tragic it would almost be funny.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Muchos Gracias, Alberto.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Gio is just fine and so is Branch….
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Branch is fine?????
BY FAR the worst player in the secondary this season.
He routinely gets abused by the TE.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
All the good teams have good offensive and defensive lines I don’t care how much talent you have on the outside we have neither. Maybe not both o line and d line are great but one of the two keeps good teams in games. I say build the o line and d line first.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Muchos Gracias, Alberto.
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De nada.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Thanks for the attention, BSmith. I’ll grab some tissue.
I don’t like Knapp as OC either. But I still believe in the McKenzie system. Same flow chart. It’s on Dennis to change the OC. My guess Knapp gets one season. And that’s fair enough for me. The bed and breakfast guy had a year.
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Actually he got sh!tcanned for John Shoop…Didn’t even make it through the year. Great you “believe” in the system. I’m sure one of your boyfriends in Kansas City still believes in the Scott Pioli system.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
We could have started the game off with a pick, and Lee dropped it.
Never understood why CB’s can’t catch, like AT ALL. Every game in the NFL you see 2-3 potential game-altering INT’s dropped.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
worse than hanson? than lee? thats funny
September 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Am I the only one who thinks Van Dyke and Chekwa would be better than what we put out there today? Pittsburgh seems to like DVD just fine. If Barksdale amounts to anything……….oh wait I might be an AD loyalist if I say any more.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Not having a first round draft pick two years in a row is now revealing itself (especially after quite a few mediocre/busts of
September 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
So when do we get to hear or read what excuses DA tries to sale us for today’s debacle?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Funny how Al’s passing was going to elevate us into the ‘new NFL’ where it wasn’t mom & pop anymore but a structured professionally run business.
Mark, Reggie &DA, couldn’t look anymore low budget, mom & pop than it gets….
It’d have to be like a guy inherited a team , hired an ex-player who walks around in sweats so he still looks like an athlete, and a babyfaced coach who’s just happy to have the chance…
Talk about Larry, Curly and Moe, …oops
September 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
So we should have paid Cromartie 10 million?
We should have drafted corners when we had such promising guys as DVD and Chekwa?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Pittsburgh seems to like DVD just fine.
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He hasn’t played a defensive snap yet.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
So when do we get to hear or read what excuses DA tries to sale us for today’s debacle?
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Post game is on raiders.com
September 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Pittsburgh will cut DVD if he doesn’t do a better job of tackling.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Coaching sucks. All departments. Blame the talent level if you want to, but you can’t say these players don’t belong in the nfl. Are we the only team that has 53 sub par players? I call b.s. It’s the coaches job to get the players ready to play and put them in the best position based on their strengths. Square pegs and round holes, doesn’t work. The whole re- working the roster during the season just means they are setting up for a long rebuild. You can’t find good talent at this point. I’ll always back my team and wear the colors no matter how painful it is. I just don’t want to see a three year rebuild with the end result of a poor to mediocre team.
Oh yeah…… And FK Knapp
September 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
“The problem now is definitely the porous offensive line, no pass rusher, and a horrendous secondary. It’s the players, and not Reggie or the coaches. Face reality. The talent is just not here.”
Which is why I was telling the other poster that if we did get a high pick next year lets trade down for multiple picks we need a lot of players we are not that deep anywhere.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
criner and streater = no need for plax..lmao
September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Watch LeSean McCoy (eagles), and Ray Rice (Ravens) when there’s no running room, they create room.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
The Raiders are a buzzkill every year.
Last year, we had the last month of the season debacle. Year before, the Jax meltdown.
At least this team seems to be willing to get it out of the way early, and save the added heartache of getting blown off our home field with a playoff spot on the line.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
482. I know he hasn’t played defense yet but our special teams besides Lechler and Jano is bad. He could do kickoff return, punt return or gunner better than anything we currently have on the roster. Almost last in where we start on offense and almost last on where we let the opponent start. Field position is a huge concern.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s easy to be even keeled if u have no emotional investment in the outcome.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
After 4 games, Wimbley has 1 sack this year.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Making the Giants use a timeout is nothing.
You don’t think Eli can get in FG range in 1:50?
He can do it in like 40 seconds, lol.
Reid is an idiot.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Rodn5yn Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Watch LeSean McCoy (eagles), and Ray Rice (Ravens) when there’s no running room, they create room.
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Dmac a different runner, runs hard, gets through a hole quickly ,not a cut back runner or cerebral type runner, but if he gets into the secondary hes gone. also averaged over 5yds per carry last two years
September 30th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
CLEAR need is a monster IMPACT player on the edge of the Dline. Be it a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE.
Spend some FA $ on the Oline.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
It’s easy to be even keeled if u have no emotional investment in the outcome.
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When you buy a stock at $20, and it hovers around $5 a share for a decade, you don’t really get caught up in the day-to-day gyrations anymore.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Coach-Allen-Postgame/03628f14-83ff-4275-b241-500aa8269426
September 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
I agree with Silverandblack666, this team lacks talent. The problem is, where do you find it. In the draft, free agency?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
J Hill Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Gio is just fine and so is Branch….
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Branch is fine?????
BY FAR the worst player in the secondary this season.
He routinely gets abused by the TE.
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You want me to agree with you J Hill?
Too bad….if I did we would both be wrong…
9th in the NFL for safeties in tackles through 3 games….
And we don’t play man every down anymore my friend…so the TE isn’t his man….
Sell Crazy Someplace ELse
September 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Branch has all the tackles, because OC’s are targeting him in the pass game and he is tackling his guy, 7-12 yards down the field.
He has been awful so far this season, downright awful.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Hey good thing the Eagles made the Giants burn that timeout, an didn’t even really try to score a TD.
That was like the offensive version of the prevent defense.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I’d love to be all lovey dovey and make sound pragmatic and logical critiques about the state of the Raiders. Even logically, this is the worst team in football. That’s not based on knee jerk emotionalism or seeing things as worse than they are…it’s just a fact that will be backed up by almost every single “expert” out there for the next two weeks…at least.
Some of us take the constant losing and the lack of anything resembling hope a little harder than others.
I could easily give you a nice, logical, pragmatic analysis of the Eagles Giants game. You know why? I don’t care who wins or loses really.
Easy to make level headed posts when u don’t give a crap.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I think Aso just got nailed with a CRITICAL PI…Yep. He did.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Easy to make level headed posts when u don’t give a crap.
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People “give a crap” but a lifetime of disappointment has numbed at least myself down.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
9th in the NFL for safeties in tackles through 3 games….
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Except we are talking about pass coverage.
He stinks.
Tell me ONE play he has made in the passing game this year.
You’re right, we do play zone more these days. Was he supposed to be anywhere near Dressen on that 1st TD pass?
Decker’s TD, where was the S???
4th down pass to Tamme???
3rd down coversion to Dressen???
We can certainly watch the replay together and discuss Branch.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Manning sure isn’t afraid of Nnamdi.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
The absurdity that exists on this BLOG exists with the Raider employees and their intention to steer public opinion….
You weaken this fan base and thereby weaken this team by trying to protect your employment….
“Fear causes Hesitation”
September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Andy Reid called timeout beofre Tynes missed the fg.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Why try and ice a kicker on a 54 yarder? It’s hard enough already.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
You want me to agree with you J Hill?
Too bad….if I did we would both be wrong…
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That was pretty funny by the way.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
The absurdity that exists on this BLOG exists with the Raider employees and their intention to steer public opinion….
You weaken this fan base and thereby weaken this team by trying to protect your employment….
“Fear causes Hesitation”
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Stupidest sh*t I’ve ever read on this blog. And that is saying something.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Well said Johnny. Plain and simple……..It just fooken hurts.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Guarantee you Coughlin’s done after this year. Or Gilbride. That deep pass was asinine. And with disastrous results, offensive PI. If G-men don’t repeat, and I doubt they will, Coughlin’s done I bet.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Funny. I didn’t see the Giants laughing and smiling after they lost the game.
I didn’t notice Coughlin smiling either.
I guess that’s the difference between a winning org. and one that readily accepts losing as “part of the process”.
Please don’t tell me that a team like the Raiders have earned the luxury of being allowed to “laugh it off”.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I’d love to be all lovey dovey and make sound pragmatic and logical critiques about the state of the Raiders. Even logically, this is the worst team in football. That’s not based on knee jerk emotionalism or seeing things as worse than they are…it’s just a fact that will be backed up by almost every single “expert” out there for the next two weeks…at least.
Some of us take the constant losing and the lack of anything resembling hope a little harder than others.
I could easily give you a nice, logical, pragmatic analysis of the Eagles Giants game. You know why? I don’t care who wins or loses really.
Easy to make level headed posts when u don’t give a crap.
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HA!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
They going to fire Coughlin for a game in September?
LMAO!!!
He will coach as long as he wants to in New York.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
They were in field goal range and decided to try one more long pass. Horrible call.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
JFB,
I said after this year. Especially if they lose a road playoff game. This game wont’ be forgotten. That deep pass is one of the dumbest play calls in some time. A poor pass by Eli, as well. But he’s not going anywhere.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
466. Yes, Branch runs around, and he’s good in run support. But as a pass defender, which is a big part of his job, he’s not very good. There’s no exceptional pass/run defenders in that secondary.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
And I said “or Gilbride”. You’re probably right, JFB. Coughlin’s job is probably safe. But there will be a shake up if they don’t get home field and lose on the road in the playoffs. This game will have meant something in that case.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
At this point you really have to wonder if we’ll win another game this year…
YouTube guy ranting that McClain “Need’s to be locked up” will opeully get his wish via ha Alabama court system…too funny.
Unfortunately there is NOTHING funny about this season…
September 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
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Sad, but true.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
McClain is just too slow. Slow moving, and slow to react.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
That was an awful call late in a division game, something GM’s don’t typically forget when you lose on the road in a cold, windy stadium on the road in January.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Rodn5yn Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
466. Yes, Branch runs around, and he’s good in run support. But as a pass defender, which is a big part of his job, he’s not very good. There’s no exceptional pass/run defenders in that secondary.
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Should move Branch and Mitchell to LB.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
J Hill Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
9th in the NFL for safeties in tackles through 3 games….
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Except we are talking about pass coverage.
He stinks.
Tell me ONE play he has made in the passing game this year.
You’re right, we do play zone more these days. Was he supposed to be anywhere near Dressen on that 1st TD pass?
Decker’s TD, where was the S???
4th down pass to Tamme???
3rd down coversion to Dressen???
We can certainly watch the replay together and discuss Branch.
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No, “you” are talking about pass coverage….
I am not going to let you steer the conversation to Branch when the TOPIC is Reggie McKenzie and his Coaching Staff…
If you are correct in your assessment of Branch perhaps he is trying to do more than his job to make up for the lack of NFL caliber DB’s next to him provided by the GM…
I’m not one to piggy back Coach Tarver….especially after today….but he obviously disagrees with you regarding Branch…
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Jason-Tarver-Thursday/df923efc-c92b-40f6-86dc-8dfe50a24d10
Listen to 8:32 of this video to what his opinion of Branch is….
But maybe you’re right….I haven’t graded the film yet….but I’ll get too it….
September 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Was Gilbride of interest after Cable?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Coughlin just got a multi year deal,
He’s not going anywhere…
HC’s build up equity with SuperBowl wins, and Coughlins account is large…
Hence DA Not really having much equity With the fanbase…
September 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
“Hue could not work with this GM”. I hope they ask Hue Jackson that question so we don’t have listen to this nonsense about who he wiil not work with. that is nonsense. If the owner told Hue that he would be working under Big Mac that would be all it took for Hue to make a decision and his decision would have been to be a head coach for the Raiders. NO questions asked!!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Ya, the whole team sucked today, but I pin this on coaching……… DMAC is KEY, this zbs is JUNK. D was on the field alot today, college calls arent working, dont know if Tarver can fix the problems, getting out coached.Sad, one step forward,three steps back.And Mark Davis IS NOT a football guy. Need Al Saunders to call plays, let Palmer do what he wants,junk
September 30th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
DJ Johnny,
Don’t take my post as not giving a crap. I’ve been a die hard fan for 40 years. Given the history of the team over the last couple decades I’ve learned to not stand on a ledge. The product on the field sucks. Period. I was expecting growing pains this year, not this ugly though. First time gm, first time hc, first time dc. As long as there is improvement over the course of the year from them. I haven’t seen any yet. Knapp sucks. He has experience. He’s always sucked that’s why he was a qb coach the last two years. He can choke on his own patience for all I care. Special teams is a joke as well. I honestly was expecting more from the defense. If players look lazy, lost or confused that falls on coaching.
Oh yeah…… And FK Knapp
September 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Raiders RapidReports @CBSRaiders
The Raiders have allowed 125 points and scored 67, a differential of minus-58, the 2nd worst in the NFL behind Tennessee (minus-70).
September 30th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Funny how Knapp veered away from the no-huddle.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Talk about a deal breaker!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,lego:19780928:top,photo,a9139d91-49d7-329b-80a7-ccec94fbec96-l:1
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TERRIBLE!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
romes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
“Hue could not work with this GM”.
I hope they ask Hue Jackson that question so we don’t have listen to this nonsense about who he wiil not work with. that is nonsense. If the owner told Hue that he would be working under Big Mac that would be all it took for Hue to make a decision and his decision would have been to be a head coach for the Raiders. NO questions asked!!!!
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Yep!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
14-51 on 3rd downs this year..plenty of blame to pass around on offense but cp3 has to be better than this regardless
September 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
What was Allen, Knapp and Tarvers post game excuse today??
Did they admit that they were completely OUT COACHED?!?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
After watching DA’s post game presser…which was curiously edited to only 1:18, i am convinced he has an idea on knowing the right things to say…he’s got all the cliche’s down pat, but when it’s important…like on the field..it appears this guy doesn’t have a clue.
I know he’s really happy for Coach Fox though…THAT was obvious.
This guy doesn’t even care. He must already be looking into his next gig.
Love that pic of his big, beaming smile after getting his azz handed to him.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
hue isnt even coaching offense anymore
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
da smiling with fox was the only emotion i saw all day from the raiders
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with Dennis Allen’s post game demeanor. To me, it’s a display of class. Perhaps it puts him a cut above the losing coaches who can’t control their emotions at the end of games and are surly and short with opposing coaches.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Didn’t a team win a Super with a 9-7 record, recently? The one who wrote this mess underneath what is your point?
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You all are acting like Hue was an 11-5 team that missed the playoffs.
That team was marginal….
And then Hue boss hogs it and sells out his team, tells the owner what to do, and runs to Mike Silver.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I wonder what the Denver coach was thinking when DA was laughing after the game, good thing we dumped his arse???
September 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Replay of Post Game Live on CSNCA….
Someone has got to keep it real, Romo and Lo Neal know what’s up…
This org is full of STIFFS. Top to bottom…
Mullet, Mumbles and McGruber are NOT going anywhere with this team…
September 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Hendu Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I wonder what the Denver coach was thinking when DA was laughing after the game, good thing we dumped his arse???
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John Fox was thinking “Thank God I recommended this guy to Reggie Mac.”
September 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
You guys are acting just like tea partiers. No rational solutions. Just fire everyone. And replace them with whom?
No solutions. Just deconstruct, deconstruct, deconstruct. And that’s why the Dems are going to keep the white house and why Mark Davis isn’t firing anyone.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Hendu Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I wonder what the Denver coach was thinking when DA was laughing after the game, good thing we dumped his arse???
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You don’t what they were saying. They are friends. Could have been an inside joke. Or maybe Allen told Fox that he f*cked his wife.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
2romes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Didn’t a team win a Super with a 9-7 record, recently? The one who wrote this mess underneath what is your point?
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You all are acting like Hue was an 11-5 team that missed the playoffs.
That team was marginal….
And then Hue boss hogs it and sells out his team, tells the owner what to do, and runs to Mike Silver.
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That Raider team last year was junk.
The standards in Raider Nation are so low that few can see that so we cling to any sliver of hope that appears.
The Raiders tanked it from the Green Bay game on last year…absolute tank job and barely beat an overmatched KC team.
Hue was no offensive genious and his frickn offense seemed to stall a lot too.
DA and Knapp are coaching like junk right now….no disagreement there.
But the Hue nostalga is disgusting
September 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Drunken fools.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with Dennis Allen’s post game demeanor. To me, it’s a display of class. Perhaps it puts him a cut above the losing coaches who can’t control their emotions at the end of games and are surly and short with opposing coaches.
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LMAO! Class. The guy is a pansy, much like you. You never succeeded in sports did you Madden?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Raiders are the only team in the NFL CRYING for a return of a coach who is now an Assistant to the Defensive Backs coach in Cincinnati.
You would think Hue would be on the offensive staff with his innovative play calling.
CRYING for a reckless coach who’s offense was not all that great…
September 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I’m done with McCheese. He’s simply a lazy assed overpaid athlete. He the poorest example of a MLB I’ve EVER seen. He takes more plays off than any other guy out there. He has absolutely no pursuit of a play Once it passes him he immediately goes to jogging mode – that or a complete stop. He can’t get off of blocks and he’s a mediocre player at best. Time for him to go. He’s not part of the solution therefore he’s part of the problem. Maybe Knapp can buy an extra seat on the bus out of town. T
September 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
worst Raider defense in years. Worst secondary in the NFL injuries or not. McClain is not a MLB, not in a 4-3 atleast. and the defensive line doesn’t rush the passer or stop the run. Seymour and Kelly are dead weight at this point. where is Matt Shaunasey? thought this guy was a “beast”? i would keep lamar houston and tyvon branch and cut the rest of starters.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
On 3rd and 2 knapp calls a pitch to the left. Mcfadden catches the SEVEN yards behind the line of scrimmage. Do you think he got the first?
McFadden rushedthe ball 13 times, do you think the Raiders won?
The Raiders always run play action on first, which never works. That makes it second and 10. Panic sets in, do you think they run the ball?
The raiders score 6 effin points, areyou suprised?
The defense plays off all game alloing manning to dink and dunk for 7 yard chunks. Do you think Im pissed?
The DL has ZERO sacks. The D has one turnover caused by a miracle fumble.
And to make it worse, Allen Smiles after the game.
MR. DAVIS, DO THE RIGHT THING PLEASE FIRE A G.M. It starts the top, Reggie caused this mess! Your father is going to haunt your dreams tonight!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Just throw the rest and get me the 1st pick.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with Dennis Allen’s post game demeanor. To me, it’s a display of class. Perhaps it puts him a cut above the losing coaches who can’t control their emotions at the end of games and are surly and short with opposing coaches.
>> losing with class is what its all about. i always smile after i get pummeled.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
raiders problem = too many stupid baboons on defense
September 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Knapp is pretty bad…no doubt.
But they arenot going to fire him or surrender his playcalling after 4 games or 14 games.
Maybe at the end of the year…..and that’s only a maybe….
More likely, they wil find some guards and try again
September 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
week 4 Baboon QB record = 1-2 …losers like usual
September 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
But maybe you’re right….I haven’t graded the film yet….but I’ll get too it….
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blahah, here let me do that for you: F-
Save you from wasting your time, even though it sounds like you were going to waste your time anyway.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Yes, 9-7 wins superbowls and 8-8 junk? please explain!!
548.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
2romes Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Didn’t a team win a Super with a 9-7 record, recently? The one who wrote this mess underneath what is your point?
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You all are acting like Hue was an 11-5 team that missed the playoffs.
That team was marginal….
And then Hue boss hogs it and sells out his team, tells the owner what to do, and runs to Mike Silver.
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That Raider team last year was junk.
The standards in Raider Nation are so low that few can see that so we cling to any sliver of hope that appears.
The Raiders tanked it from the Green Bay game on last year…absolute tank job and barely beat an overmatched KC team.
Hue was no offensive genious and his frickn offense seemed to stall a lot too.
DA and Knapp are coaching like junk right now….no disagreement there.
But the Hue nostalga is disgusting
September 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
I rarely respond to my stalkers, but it can’t be helped.
Dennis Allen played safety for a great defensive school, Texas A&M. He made a game winning interception once. He’s succeeded in athletics, more so than anyone on this blog. He’s earned the right to look an opposing coach in the face after losing a game, smile, and congratulate him. It’s a show of class, something you wouldn’t know anything about.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with Dennis Allen’s post game demeanor. To me, it’s a display of class. Perhaps it puts him a cut above the losing coaches who can’t control their emotions at the end of games and are surly and short with opposing coaches.
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Really? Don’t confuse your desire for a wanting the Raiders to operate like a “modern organization” with a need to make excuses for every mistake DA makes. It was a telling bush league mistake. No professional coach with any pride would do that. The players are useless we all know that. But normally the coaches exchange a handshake and save all the smiles and real conversations for private. If DA doesn’t care about a loss like that, you better believe that no one else within that organization will.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
nice reggy.You evaluated the talent so well. I like how allen brought in his “guys”. They could have actually looked at what worked and what didn’t. Offense check, special teams check, defense need changed. Good job now we suck at all faucets of the game.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
McKenzie has done too much too soon. Hue was perfect for this current group of Raiders. And not only that, his bravado gave the Raiders confidence. And we witnessed it on the field. The same bravado Belichek brings to New England and Ryan brings to NY. For some reason everyone hated everything about Hue. The Raiders were not only decently competitive, they were finally fun to watch. Even in defeat points were usually on the board. Now the Raiders clearly have no identity. None. After a month of putrid, horrendous football, to me Dennis Allen was a BAD HIRE. Absolutely terrible hire. Allen brings not a damn thing to the sideline. The only thing he had was that image of a young, hot, fresh clone of a coach McKenzie was hardup for. A coach “Packer fans” would like. “Packer fans” would not like a coach like Hue Jackson. So Hue had to go. Hue connected to the players and for the most part, the players played for Hue. I would take 20 freakin penalties for a win than 4 penalties and get thoroughly embarrased and blown out week after week. Reggie wish u had stayed in GB buddy..
September 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with Dennis Allen’s post game demeanor. To me, it’s a display of class. Perhaps it puts him a cut above the losing coaches who can’t control their emotions at the end of games and are surly and short with opposing coaches.
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Really? Don’t confuse your desire for a wanting the Raiders to operate like a “modern organization” with a need to make excuses for every mistake DA makes. It was a telling bush league mistake. No professional coach with any pride would do that. The players are useless we all know that. But normally the coaches exchange a handshake and save all the smiles and real conversations for private. If DA doesn’t care about a loss like that, you better believe that no one else within that organization will.
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No chit
September 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
I wish the season could just end right now cuz i’m afraid we might set even more records of futility and suffer even more humiliating losses.
12 more games to suffer through…that’s the real tragedy.
As long as DA smiles his way through it all I guess we should be happy.
He didn’t even look that happy when we beat Pittsburgh last week…
You would NEVER see that from a Bill Cowher or a Jon Gruden or a Parcells or a MCcarthy or even a Norv Turner.
Rex Ryan? Shanahan? NOBODY but out 1st yr. HC right after us suffering the worst loss to that rival in 50 years.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Because of whack contracts given out by previous GM, we have a team full of street free agents at crucial positions:
RT, CB, LB.
There was simply no way to keep the contracts from last year’s team. Just wasn’t any way.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
really? you guys are talking about how allen reacted to fox? go back to watching reallity tv.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
What do any of you know about being an NFL head coach, much less having pride in such a prestigious profession? Nobody on this blog has the expertise to judge any NFL head coach on what kind of pride he has in his work. None of you knows the first thing about it. You’re a fan. Know your place.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
561,
Yeah that “nostalgia” of when we weren’t the laughingstock of the league and were actually competitive? And weren’t almost universally considered to be the worst team in football?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
I hope my friend JFB learned a few things today.
Greg Knapp’s scheme and play calling is truly Krapp.
Smartest man in the stadium, huh ?
Don’t worry though, your seat on the ‘dump Krapp’ bus is still reserved. Aisle or window.
Slo doesn’t adequately describe Turdlando’s lack of foot speed. Glaciers move faster than Slo. Slo is so slow, he looks like he’s jogging even when he’s running at full speed.
Killian’s Irish Red sucks.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
13 carries!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Ever heard the phrase that everyone should know their place, and never cross that line? It applies to a fan speculating as to what kind of pride an NFL coach has in his work. An NFL head coach is pretty high in the pecking order. The fan is at the absolute BOTTOM of the sports industry food chain. The stadium janitor has more clout and a more of a voice within team operations than you do.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
I rarely respond to my stalkers, but it can’t be helped.
Dennis Allen played safety for a great defensive school, Texas A&M. He made a game winning interception once. He’s succeeded in athletics, more so than anyone on this blog. He’s earned the right to look an opposing coach in the face after losing a game, smile, and congratulate him. It’s a show of class, something you wouldn’t know anything about.
> Ok fakemaddenraider i see your point. BUT it DA smiling and joking with his former HC after a 37-6 ass beating could easily be seen as if getting blown out didn’t bother DA enough to keep him from smiling for the world to see. it was a bad thing to see, we’ve seen enough people in OAK smile and joke around after getting smoked. 10 years of hell and counting
September 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
13 carries is what happens when you give up 30 points by the 3rd quarter and average 3 yards a carry.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I understand penalties severely hurt your team. But it seems like that was such a focal point that the rest of the team has gone into the toilet. Yeah!! Thanks Uncle Reggie for addressing the penalty situation. We are now one of the least penalized team in the NFL. I will certainly tell that to people at work tommorow..
September 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
What do any of you know about being an NFL head coach, much less having pride in such a prestigious profession? Nobody on this blog has the expertise to judge any NFL head coach on what kind of pride he has in his work. None of you knows the first thing about it. You’re a fan. Know your place.
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WTF do YOU know about what it’s like to be an NFL owner and in control of a business valuing over 750 million dollars? Yet that never stopped you from judging Al Davis did it?
Know YOUR place.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Ever heard the phrase that everyone should know their place, and never cross that line? It applies to a fan speculating as to what kind of pride an NFL coach has in his work. An NFL head coach is pretty high in the pecking order. The fan is at the absolute BOTTOM of the sports industry food chain. The stadium janitor has more clout and a more of a voice within team operations than you do.
>> why are you barking for DA so much? we can all say whatever the fuk we want to old man. maybe DA is overwhelmed right now as a HC. he’ll figure it out, but smiling and laughing after the game looked bad.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
No, “you” are talking about pass coverage….
I am not going to let you steer the conversation to Branch when the TOPIC is Reggie McKenzie and his Coaching Staff…
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Sorry, I thought you said something about the secondary.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Sounds like most people are on board with my original 6-10 prediction
alex7 = most level-headed and correct poster on this board, seeing things correctly for 5 years now while the haters hate.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Can the Defense grow a pair?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
I’m pretty sure McKenzie will get 3 years, and this is year one. I expect it to be rocky, considering what he inherited (a team built primarily by a GM who hadn’t had a winning season in 10 years). If Atlanta falls to the Skins next week, I see a team that peaked too soon entering a skid, and we’ll be jacked up for a win. 2-3 isn’t the worst place to be in.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Jon Gruden still knows his way around the East Bay, you want a new park, Chucky is the man.If they dont get a new park, see Ya. Simple…
September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
RAIDERMAN99
Disagree. Down big with no first downs second half running ball three times in a row was brilliant call.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Slo doesn’t adequately describe Turdlando’s lack of foot speed.
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When was this guy ever a burner?
Is that what made him a 1st rd prospect?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The Baltimore Oriole plane flying to Tampa had to make an emergency landing tonight in Jacksonville due to fire. Everyone is ok, but pretty shook up. There are some more important things than just football.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RM better pick up a pass rush specialist next year. 1st round
September 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
I am really getting sick of this team! I’d hate to cross the Bay to get some kind of happiness with a team. NEVER HAPPENING!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Of course you can say whatever you want. It’s a free country. But when you speak to an NFL coach’s pride, when your role on the pecking order is that of “fan”, don’t expect anyone of importance to even lend you an ear, much less take you seriously.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
This bs argument of “well you’ve never played the game, or you never coached an nfl team” is crap.
I guess we should just shut down the blog then if we aren’t qualified to have an opinion and express it on a blog.
Maybe this blog should be just for coaches and people who have played pro football.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
I never gave a crap about penalties as long as we won. Granted, we havent won much for some time. But that penalty thing just got way out of hand…
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FK KNAPP!!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
What do any of you know about being an NFL head coach, much less having pride in such a prestigious profession? Nobody on this blog has the expertise to judge any NFL head coach on what kind of pride he has in his work. None of you knows the first thing about it. You’re a fan. Know your place.
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So interesting that you would make that kind of comment. Because you’ve spent years on this blog not only degrading the former GM but every Head Coach except for this one. So I guess knowing your place also applied to you over the years right? And that would also mean that over the years you have had no idea what your talking about. Me, I’m part of the Raider Nation, never knew my “place”, never met anyone that can put me in my “place”. That’s the difference between you and me MR, I don’t thank people for kicking my A$$. You and DA do.
PS. Your welcome
September 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Sullivan, without the sports fan, these bums do not have a job. Get your order straight. Don’t force your lousy opinions down others throats.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Get lost, Sullivan!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
DT42 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
PS. Your welcome
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funny!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
DT42, right on, brother!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Like someone had alluded to earlier.. I didnt think the defense would be this horrendous. Every one of Oakland’s secondary looks lost and confused. Arriving late, hideous tackling skills and no one even capable of breaking up a freakin pass once in awhile.. Terrible football in all phases.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Of course you can say whatever you want. It’s a free country. But when you speak to an NFL coach’s pride, when your role on the pecking order is that of “fan”, don’t expect anyone of importance to even lend you an ear, much less take you seriously.
..You must be senile, because you were on THIS blog questioning the OWNERS pride and football knowledge for years hypocrite. you’ve spent YEARS of your glorious life questioning coaches pride. you’re a fuking moron FMR and should try a new hobby. give bingo a try.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
I am not making it up that I have never seen an NFL coach look that damn smiley and happy after getting their arse handed to them in such a devastating and humiliating fashion before.
You’d think that after such an embarrassing lambasting like that, the coach of that team would not appear to be so lighthearted and jovial about it.
I’ve just never seen that before.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Receivers I’ve never heard of have career days against the Raiders secondary.. Dreesen..Tamie..And some other guy I cant even remember his name..Burning the Raider secondary like a Pop Warner league..
September 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
yeah this defense is HISTORICALLY bad. but it horrible last year. gave 427 points last year 27PPG. see if the 2012 D tops that. i could see this D giving 500 points easy. there really isn’t even 1 player on this D that you would “have” to keep. no standouts
September 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
The scariest thing is there are so many problems, on both sides of the ball. It’s hard to think that despite all the typical crutches, cash, contracts, draft picks etc. if they could not improve last off season, how many will it take? I mean, I see other teams having impact of their draft classes, even late, late round picks. None of Reggies picks has done anything. I like Burris potential, but aside from him…nothing.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
After 4 games, Wimbley has 1 sack this year.
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And let’s not forget that pr!ck refused to restructure his contract in the offseason when we were in one of the worst, if not the worst, cap position in the league. After we resurrected his career. He was a bust w Cleveland. Say what you want about Seymour and Palmer. Those guys restructured, knowing full well they probably wouldn’t even see the end of their contracts. They did it to stay and hopefully be part of a winner. Unfortunately they had no idea the damage that was planned to be done to the offense and special teams by DA and his poker buds.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Need to bring back the fire knapp list.
Get your torches and pitchforks ready folks, we are in for a long season
September 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
The scariest thing is there are so many problems, on both sides of the ball. It’s hard to think that despite all the typical crutches, cash, contracts, draft picks etc. if they could not improve last off season, how many will it take? I mean, I see other teams having impact of their draft classes, even late, late round picks. None of Reggies picks has done anything. I like Burris potential, but aside from him…nothing.
>> i hate the word potential. Raiders need a pass rush. that would solve a lot of problems.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I agree with alot if u homies
Napp got to go sheesh my goodness we are wasting a year like Kobe with macffaden one of the best backs in the league and u don’t know how to use him
unfortnatly Damn it I guess we are re-building and it’s Guna take a few years (i’m thinking packers down for a few years then right back to the top competing year in and year out)
i’m not really blaming mackeenzy I think he moved will pay off in th long run and btw every gm hits and misses on the draft picks and free agency
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I am so glad I went to the A’s game today and only had to half-heartedly listen to this garbage on the radio. Nice to have a positive distraction from this team that cannot get up for a road game.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Any word on Anthony Hargroves suspension?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Quite honestly, i’ve seen coaches with less happy enthusiasm AFTER WINNING THE SUPER BOWL.
What makes it even more curious is that he has quickly earned a reputation as being this stoic, robotic, even keeled coach.
He had less of a happy go lucky demeanor when he shook hands with Tomlin after the Pitt. game that we WON.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
and even looking at the offense i only see a few standouts. we don’t even have a #1 WR. its not denarious moore is it? , Jacoby Ford may never even play here again. DHB has the best chance at that title IMO.OLINE sucks ass, Palmer got hit at least 2 dozen times today it seemed.this team has been ruined. just glad they beat PIT to get that 1st win because it’s going to be tough to get another one.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
I am not making it up that I have never seen an NFL coach look that damn smiley and happy after getting their arse handed to them in such a devastating and humiliating fashion before.
You’d think that after such an embarrassing lambasting like that, the coach of that team would not appear to be so lighthearted and jovial about it.
I’ve just never seen that before.
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Agreed. I get that Fox is his old buddy and all, his mentor or whatever. But DA is supposed to be a Raider now. And forget Raider bravado even, I’ve never seen ANY coach of ANY team smile after bending over and taking it in the @ss like that. He reminds me of Shanahan when he was with us, before he got a clue. But his ferret face wouldn’t have smiled either after that humiliation. No FING way!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I too hate potential but at least Burris is seeing the field regularly, and at a 4th round pick, he’s quality so far. Which is more then can be said for our first pick(3rd rd). Also Crawford is getting moved around too easily, Criner, meh, just got his first action. But even then I do like the potential of them, but it’s going to take more then draft picks to fix this wreck. I so hope our first next year is not on a QB!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
raider till i die Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
i’m not really blaming mackeenzy I think he moved will pay off in th long run and btw every gm hits and misses on the draft picks and free agency
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Then who’s to blame?? Reggie took an 8-8 team, a tiebreaker away from the playoffs to a bottom 5 team. What says his moves will pay off?? Because plenty of things point to him being a failure.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
DT42, 593,Well said,We are the Fannation,deal with us…Thanks,DT42 RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Any word on Anthony Hargroves suspension?
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Really? Who gives a godd@mned f@ck? Stfu douche! Didn’t you notice we just got smoked like a bunch of b!tches today?!?!?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
So, where do we go from here ?
IMO, the defense has to be almost completely blown up.
Certainly the injuries at CB are a factor in the complete failure on D, but one must ask how much of a difference Bartell and Spencer would make, if available.
Clearly, Slo must go. Huff is an overpaid scrub. Seymour is on his last legs and in his last season in Oakland. Branch is not performing up to his contract.
Wheeler and Bryant are about the only guys that are playing decently.
We are looking at almost a complete rebuild on this side of the ball.
Offensively, there are some weapons and this unit could put up some points, but that will not happen as long as Greg Krapp is in charge.
This team is so bad right now that a 3 wins or less season seems likely.
Hope it gets better (it can’t get much worse), but it’s hard to see where any drastic improvement is going to come from.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Losing coach smiling at midfield does nothing for Raider mystique. The New Era has abandoned Raider Mystique, not that I’ll ever jump ship, unless of course they leave Oakland again, but shunning the pride and Raider mystique of old, will make it easier.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Good point.I don’t care if they have the most penalties as long they are giving themselves a chance to win. The Raiders need to stay in game longer than they do. I hate it when the game is over in the third quarter. We won’t let that go unsong. Mark and Reggie get credit for that. Is there anything else? I give them credit for better production from the tightends. I do think they can do a better job with the tightends and everyone coming out of the backfield to catch the ball. These guys don’t seem to have the option to change their route. They most of the time they run their routes right into coverage. They need to at times ,from the start, run away from coverage.
577.Rabbitman562 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I understand penalties severely hurt your team. But it seems like that was such a focal point that the rest of the team has gone into the toilet. Yeah!! Thanks Uncle Reggie for addressing the penalty situation. We are now one of the least penalized team in the NFL. I will certainly tell that to people at work tommorow..
September 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I dont know about you guys but this rebuild schit really gets to me i mean we have been waiting for ten plus years now and now apparently we will have to wait a few more. fck that. the afc is wide open with pats and bmore being the only powerhouse teams. if we would have kept hue we could have at least challenged either of them with the way our o was heading but now we must sit back and watch our team go to schit again while the fckn niners challenge for a superbowl again. fck man i hate the niners almost as much as i love the raiders and to have to watch the niners be “BACK” before us pains me greatly. all we had to do was just keep hue or fck at saunders to run the o and we would be ok now instead….
September 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I dont know about you guys but this rebuild schit really gets to me i mean we have been waiting for ten plus years now and now apparently we will have to wait a few more. fck that.
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My feelings exactly. I’m pissed. and I don’t understand how any fan of the Raiders could not be angry right now.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Any word on Anthony Hargroves suspension?
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Really? Who gives a godd@mned f@ck? Stfu douche! Didn’t you notice we just got smoked like a bunch of b!tches today?!?!?
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As a matter of fact, I did notice. I also noticed not only today, but over the past few games we have had zero pass rush. If we are going to bring in Carter, might as well consider other guys on the street who can rush the passer. Haven’t you noticed any of this? Douche!!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Denver executed their plays,
We executed ourselves…
Mumbles cuts all the workout specimens and brings in “Football” players, who are slow and weak…kudos Big Guy,
September 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
The season was over when they fire Hue Jackson
September 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Ok maybe ur right he Is to blame he is the gm maybe but this is not all his players and u can’t judge his moves in his first year like a draft pick u can determin I’f u made the right choices years down the line
September 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
What happened to Tollefson?
Guy was supposed to bring something to the D and he can’t gt on he field?
Another stellar signing by Reggo… Spending our valuable FA cash at 2nd string players…
Fools Gold for Sure!
September 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
The season was over when they fired Hue Jackson
September 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Any word on Anthony Hargroves suspension?
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Really? Who gives a godd@mned f@ck? Stfu douche! Didn’t you notice we just got smoked like a bunch of b!tches today?!?!?
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As a matter of fact, I did notice. I also noticed not only today, but over the past few games we have had zero pass rush. If we are going to bring in Carter, might as well consider other guys on the street who can rush the passer. Haven’t you noticed any of this? Douche!!
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Ok
1. I didn’t get your point, thought you were just another troll wasting time and print on useless non sensical crap. So I’m wrong for that.
2. Seriously? We need more trash off the couch? Plz, no more cast offs. Who would we cut to add him to the roster? (Actually after today any of those 53 @ssholes could be cut for all I care) but get my point?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Raiders are not a playoff team. That Steeler win was a Fluke.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
621.MonumentRaider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
I’m felling it but retracting the Schit and fck.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm: I dont know about you guys but this rebuild schit really gets to me i mean we have been waiting for ten plus years now and now apparently we will have to wait a few more. fck that.
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My feelings exactly. I’m pissed. and I don’t understand how any fan of the Raiders could not be angry right now.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
What happened to Tollefson?
Guy was supposed to bring something to the D and he can’t gt on he field?
Another stellar signing by Reggo… Spending our valuable FA cash at 2nd string players…
Fools Gold for Sure!
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Yea, I was saying that last week. I don’t claim to study film like some of you guys, but that guy seems to have done absolutely NOTHING in 4 games. A COMPLETE NONFACTOR.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
REMINDER:
The season was over when they fired Hue Jackson
September 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Raiders looked like a division 3 college team today. Knapp’s play calling is so predictable. Our Defense is horrible.
This is a must watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcR_HkDr2I&feature=share&list=UUsHirDT_EqUoeIq5k1lw8mA
September 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
I told Cork in his chat last week at the start of the Steelers game that we would win the Steelers game somehow, but that would be our only win of the season. I truly felt that way at the time but then after we won I thought maybe Knapp pulled his head out of his @ss and the offense was goin to be able to keep us in some games. the defense is horrible obviously and with our offense not being able to score TDs we are fked.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
I know some are content with things now for the sole fact that it isn’t Al Davis’s team anymore and some are just happy that the org is going in the ‘right direction’ of becoming just like the 31 other franchises in the operation of the organization.
But at this point RIGHT NOW we are a bigger punchline than what we were 2 yrs. ago when Al Davis was still alive.
You THINK it’s gonna get better becuz it’s not Al Davis, but RIGHT NOW this is the worst team in football and the laughter is louder right now than it’s been in awhile.
As recently as the end of last season we were a team that had to be taken seriously..NOW…just a punchline again.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
What we’re seeing is what we got. Bad oc play calling to go with a bad scheme, mis-use of talent personel, an indifferent coach? and a team that really, taking it up the ass isn’t that tough to do.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
With four games it, it is clear the defensive scheme last year was not the problem. The D lacks talent. Slolando is officially a bust. I doubt he would do anything in a 3-4 either, he is just slow with poor instincts. The offense does have talent, but unfortunately, the they are saddled with Knapp. He transformed an offensive line that looked very good last year to one that is constantly pushed into the backfield leaving no room to run.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Any word on Anthony Hargroves suspension?
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Really? Who gives a godd@mned f@ck? Stfu douche! Didn’t you notice we just got smoked like a bunch of b!tches today?!?!?
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As a matter of fact, I did notice. I also noticed not only today, but over the past few games we have had zero pass rush. If we are going to bring in Carter, might as well consider other guys on the street who can rush the passer. Haven’t you noticed any of this? Douche!!
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Ok
1. I didn’t get your point, thought you were just another troll wasting time and print on useless non sensical crap. So I’m wrong for that.
2. Seriously? We need more trash off the couch? Plz, no more cast offs. Who would we cut to add him to the roster? (Actually after today any of those 53 @ssholes could be cut for all I care) but get my point?
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Cool, no worries then. However, I don’t consider Hargrove a scrub, anymore then alot of the scrubs we already have which you pointed out as well. I have no problem cutting Keenon Clayton for room. Who? Exactly! Hargrove if not suspended for the original 8 games, would have been a Packer, might come cheap on a prove it contract. Worth a look at this point, I don’t believe in throwing in the towel and assume the team doesn’t either(debatable). Get better, by signing proven players, Hargrove has a SB ring,(so does tollefson so not saying much) But hey, while were at it , bring in Chad Johnson too! Hell!?!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
my coaches were smiling and thanking fox for the anal insertion. “Taking it up the ass sure feels good coach”.
Now bend over and get ready to take it again. Oh but wait, 2 weeks outta be enough to get your blow holes rested, cuz you know atlanta is gonna abuse them.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
butt wax = 37-6
September 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Anal Comfort Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
my coaches were smiling and thanking fox for the anal insertion. “Taking it up the ass sure feels good coach”.
Now bend over and get ready to take it again. Oh but wait, 2 weeks outta be enough to get your blow holes rested, cuz you know atlanta is gonna abuse them.
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yeah, next time it’ll be on TNF for the whole world to see and in the black hole!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Raiders have too many weaknesses for opposing teams to exploit. No stopping the ‘ramming it up the rear’ syndrome.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Losing coach smiling at midfield does nothing for Raider mystique. The New Era has abandoned Raider Mystique, not that I’ll ever jump ship, unless of course they leave Oakland again, but shunning the pride and Raider mystique of old, will make it easier.
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I too wAs disgusted w DA chumming it w Fox after game as If sting goodbye to a pal after a BBQ party. Where is the f-ing pride POS?!
He should be embarrassed instead of happy for his friend.
As much as I disliked Hue I must say he at least showed some Raiders pride.
But it wasn’t just DA. DMC was shaking hands of their defenders after one of his two yard runs.
I’m disgusted w this organization top to bottom.
I don’t expect miracles but I do not accept regressing either.
This team lacks heart.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
I am not making it up that I have never seen an NFL coach look that damn smiley and happy after getting their arse handed to them in such a devastating and humiliating fashion before.
You’d think that after such an embarrassing lambasting like that, the coach of that team would not appear to be so lighthearted and jovial about it.
I’ve just never seen that before.
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He looked like a special ed kid that just got his lunch stolen
September 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
If they can’t slow down Manning and his mediocre receivers, imagine what Matt Ryan/Roddy White/Julio Jones are going to do. That game is probably going to get out of hand real fast.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
its gonna get real ugly in atl. roddy white and julio jones against these dbs fck.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Losing always sucks.
But there’s a vast difference between losing a competitive contest and getting blown out demolished.
The second half today was disgraceful.
The entire organization, every player and every coach should be embarrassed.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
#638
I forgot he got cut by GB after the suspension. Well it’s a certainty he will be signed by the GB farm club in Oakland. Bye bye Clayton.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Disgusting lost today. On defense I still believe Kelly and Seymour should be taken off the line, take McClain out and put Goeth in his place, and we really need to find someone for Lee, Gio and Huff all three get burned, but line and middle linebacker is really killing us the most. We should see if Parsons are someone else could play center, put Lil Wiz back at LG and put Cooper C back at RG, Brisiel is getting blown off the line. I liked Satele, he played tough and with heart wish we had kept him at center, this all my opionon for instant help.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
but you know games like the atl game are the ones we show up for… but wait we’re on the road we may lose by 50!!! remember the GB debacle last year.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Losing always sucks.
But there’s a vast difference between losing a competitive contest and getting blown out demolished.
The second half today was disgraceful.
The entire organization, every player and every coach should be embarrassed.
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Exactly. The 1st loss…okay, we lost our long snapper and it resulted in 9 SD points. The 2nd loss…we always get creamed by Miami. This one? Pathetic and demoralizing. Owned the donks in their house for 4 years now and they take it to us like that? P A T H E T I C
No excuse for this one. This team is terrible. I’m just not seeing the silver lining.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I too miss Satele, dude had fire!! Does Curry returning help us you think? I thought he was physical last year and pretty good against the run, I say play him at MLB, Goethel is way too slow, and hardly an improvement anywhere? Slo’s gotta go, his time is up, officially busted!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
I’m not a fan of Rex Ryan but at least he shows some heart after a but whippin. J would rather have that then what I saw from Allen. I could only wish the raiders would have coaches that showed emotion like that. Show something anything don’t just stand there after each loss and look like a lost puppy that has no idea what to do. If you can’t fix this as a coach then you don’t deserve to he a coach it’s that simple.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I too miss Satele, dude had fire!! Does Curry returning help us you think? I thought he was physical last year and pretty good against the run, I say play him at MLB, Goethel is way too slow, and hardly an improvement anywhere? Slo’s gotta go, his time is up, officially busted!
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I’m hoping that Curry’s knees somehow make a miraculous turn around and he can play Mike and get Slolando the hell out of there. Hell at this point put Burris in there at least he’s active.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Dwaiders Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
I’m not a fan of Rex Ryan but at least he shows some heart after a but whippin. J would rather have that then what I saw from Allen. I could only wish the raiders would have coaches that showed emotion like that. Show something anything don’t just stand there after each loss and look like a lost puppy that has no idea what to do. If you can’t fix this as a coach then you don’t deserve to he a coach it’s that simple.
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I think the difference is that Ryan is delusional and expects his team can win, maybe the jokes on us, and DA knows damn well, this team simply cannot do it.
Side note, Chaz Schillens has looked good for gang green!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Honestly this is the lowest I’ve been in a long time Raider Nation.
Thank God for Vodka!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Two biggest disappointments…
Defense
Offensive Line
Huge FAIL
Palmer got pulverized today.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Honestly this is the lowest I’ve been in a long time Raider Nation.
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Certainly the lowest since the return of Art Shell.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
643, With ya on the pride factor, what pride? Do you see Chucky or any other WINNING Head Coach smile, big smile at that,after You got Youre ass kicked. Sorry Dennis,in my view,youre a Dc…
September 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
They have two weeks now to figure this out. At some point DA has to see that this ZBS is not working with the current personnel. The problem is we are losing on both sides of the trenches, and to top that, our dbs can’t cover at all. That is a recipe for disaster. The only chance to win is to keep the defense off the field, so we need to be able to run the ball.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
How do you mismanage a talent like Dmac? Fairy easily. Ask Greg Knapp. He knows how.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Briesel. Sucks. Houston obviously knew what they were doing.
TOLLEFSON. Sucks. Giants obviously knew what they were doing.
Bartell and Spencer. Sucked in limited time. Seems San Fran and St. Louis knew what they were doing.
Pat Lee. Sucks. Seems Green Bay knew what they were doing.
Wheeler. Decent. Colts may have dropped the ball.
Hagan. Decent. Bills may have dropped the ball.
See a theme here? All playoff teams (except for St Louis, although even they look much better than us) cast off their krappy scrubs on us. Outmatched Reggie. (I realize many I these were free agents, but stay w me here). The teams in trouble let some stuff get away, in wheeler and hagan. Good for us. But we r no better than the colts or bills right now. Except our QB is 7 to 12 years older, with not near as much upside.
We were on the bottom of this league before the season even started. Reggie knew it, that’s why he took the 85% capacity black out option. But we didn’t. Or at least I didn’t. I thought somewhere between 6 and 10 but maybe as good as 10 and 6. I had no idea we were the stop gap for play off team cast offs. The scholarship programs continue, but now it’s for free agents instead of draft picks. Great. 5 years older but we r still stuck w them. FING AWESOME!!!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
anybody passing blame on palmer is a fool. the scheme doesnt fit the oline is crap once again under the new regime. palmer is the only bright spot i see out there did you see the throw to moore under pressure down the sideline that was a GREAT throw can you imagine what he would be doing in hueys o.
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Solid post and couldn’t agree more. Fans that don’t know what they’re looking at like to blame the QB when things aren’t going well. Sometimes it’s deserved, but not this team. Palmer is EASILY the best player out there right now.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Raiders defense tallied -7 in fantasy today, Epic!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Lets go back to a POWER Oline, bounce Knapp to QB coach, bring in/back Saunders as OC, get DMAC going….. Im out
September 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
anybody passing blame on palmer is a fool. the scheme doesnt fit the oline is crap once again under the new regime. palmer is the only bright spot i see out there did you see the throw to moore under pressure down the sideline that was a GREAT throw can you imagine what he would be doing in hueys o.
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Solid post and couldn’t agree more. Fans that don’t know what they’re looking at like to blame the QB when things aren’t going well. Sometimes it’s deserved, but not this team. Palmer is EASILY the best player out there right now.
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Truth! Palmer has been solid under duress, and limited WR’s and I’ve been surprised by his play! Too bad, Krapp can’t figure out how to do things for 4 quarters. He opens the game with good calls, then goes downhill at a rapid pace thereafter!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Seymour said after the game:
“One game doesn’t define this team”
I think in this case…it does. Perfectly.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Seymour says DA has the “it” factor.
I think it’s painfully obvious he has the “Schytt” factor.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Hi Everyone
I still love my Raiders.
knapp sucks.
Use the bye week for Saunders to take over.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
I’m not sure which picture angers me more.
The McClain “smiley’ pic while getting arrested, or the happy go lucky “smiley” pic of DA gushing over the great John Fox after the game.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
659, sorry, way to many beers. Meant LOSING head coach..
September 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
I’m not sure which picture angers me more.
The McClain “smiley’ pic while getting arrested, or the happy go lucky “smiley” pic of DA gushing over the great John Fox after the game.
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Got to be DA, Slo has proven an idiot and can be benched anytime, DA however, we’re stuck with for now.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Seymour said after the game:
“One game doesn’t define this team”
I think in this case…it does. Perfectly.
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Oh I think it does. It defined us for the awful way in which we got abused:
missed tackles
no ‘knapp’ offense
no heart
no desire
no drive
This runs deep my fellow Raider fans.
This runs real deep.
I am so hurt today I won’t be able to face my co-workers. They’re going to laugh at me and talk behind my back. They will even call me names, like dumb a$$ and stupid schiit, and toilet paper me when I’m taking a nap.
But I remain a Raider fan, yes I do.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Oakglen Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Seymour said after the game:
“One game doesn’t define this team”
I think in this case…it does. Perfectly.
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Oh I think it does. It defined us for the awful way in which we got abused:
missed tackles
no ‘knapp’ offense
no heart
no desire
no drive
This runs deep my fellow Raider fans.
This runs real deep.
I am so hurt today I won’t be able to face my co-workers. They’re going to laugh at me and talk behind my back. They will even call me names, like dumb a$$ and stupid schiit, and toilet paper me when I’m taking a nap.
But I remain a Raider fan, yes I do.
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haha, you take a nap at work? And they’re gonna TP you? This was hilarious post!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
DA is an epic fail..Period.
What was his one stated goal?
“To get better each day as a football team”.
This team has again regressed into being the worst in football.
Fail!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
655. Says Side note, Chaz Schillens has looked good for gang green!
Not picking on you but let’s not get carried away here. He has like 6 catches for about 70 yards w no TDs in 3 games. Oh, and here’s a shocker, pretty sure he missed one game already this year, that’s why Glazz Schilens has 3 game of stats in the 4th week of the season.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Denver was favored by 31 points? That can’t be, wait.
Oregon was favored 31 points over the Washington Cougars, thats right.
Pro’s just don’t get licked like this, but when they do, it’s embarassing.
Time to suck in the gut, roll up the sleeves, and take it like a man.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
655. Says Side note, Chaz Schillens has looked good for gang green!
Not picking on you but let’s not get carried away here. He has like 6 catches for about 70 yards w no TDs in 3 games. Oh, and here’s a shocker, pretty sure he missed one game already this year, that’s why Glazz Schilens has 3 game of stats in the 4th week of the season.
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No c’mon, I didn’t say he was a pro bowler, or even that we shaould have kept him. But with having mark Sanchez as his Qb, yeah he’s look pretty good. Might even become they’re number 2, with holmes down, maybe even 1. Of course, assuming he stays healthy.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
String Beans And Some Apple Pie Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Denver was favored by 31 points? That can’t be, wait.
Oregon was favored 31 points over the Washington Cougars, thats right.
Pro’s just don’t get licked like this, but when they do, it’s embarassing.
Time to suck in the gut, roll up the sleeves, and take it like a man.
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Or you can smile and take it like DA!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
OUCH people, OUCH!
September 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
678.
Point taken again I guess. He was the leading receiver today, albeit on a team that got shut out. Perhaps the only team today that looked worse than us. Except we took the opportunity to look like bumbling @ssholes inside the division, whereas the jets did it in a virtually meaningless cross conference game.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
So who are we cutting tonight? The whole defense half the offense?
September 30th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Let’s review the DL after 4 games.
Houston has been ineffective as a DE he gets engulfed by bigger tackles and doesn’t have the quickness to get to the qb, has to move inside asap.
Kelly has been awful he’s playing with no passion probably knows he is not coming back next year Houston should take his place.
Seymour is in a steady decline, Brayant should take the same reps of him after the bye.
Shaughnessy is the only bright spot here still he can’t do it all by himself.
Cárter should take Houston place after week 6.
We have to agree that DE is the most pressing need in the 2013 draft even if it’s a top 5 pick.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Amazingly, despite the Raider total ineptitude at converting 3rd downs and the absolute disappearance of a running game – there will still be some Krapp apologists that refuse to acknowledge he is a huge part of the problem.
How many times are we going to see the same pitch or attempt to run wide fail MISERABLY ?
Any reaction from Krapp or something to counter with ?
How about a reverse to slow down the sideline pursuit ?
Is that out of the playbook since the botch vs. SD ?
How about an option pass from DMAC ?
Nope, just the same tired Krapp over and over with the same result.
Stale. Unimaginative. Ineffective. Loser.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
678.
Point taken again I guess. He was the leading receiver today, albeit on a team that got shut out. Perhaps the only team today that looked worse than us. Except we took the opportunity to look like bumbling @ssholes inside the division, whereas the jets did it in a virtually meaningless cross conference game.
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Yeah not to mention they’re still tied for 1st with the loss, thankfuly for them New Englend started out slow. Could you imagine the importance of getting the Donkey’s to 1-3, if, and I mean if the Raiders ever dig themselves out of this whole, having Denver at 1-3 now and 1-0 in the division would have truly set a good tone for the season. I guess nobody told them.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
hendu Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Lets go back to a POWER Oline, bounce Knapp to QB coach, bring in/back Saunders as OC, get DMAC going….. Im out
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That’s exactly what McK and Allen need to be using this bye week for. But it won’t happen.
The season is lost.
Big Wiz knew them switching to ZBS and changing the whole offense under Knapp was a mistake. That’s why he got the heck out!
September 30th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Time to start a “McCheese to the bench” page on Facebook. He’s simply not salvageable. He’s got two speeds: Slow & Stop. He may have been outstanding in college as an ILB in a 3-4 but, he isn’t worth a schit as a Mike MLB. He’s a total FAIL. Trade his ass to anyone that might want him. We might get a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Certainly nothing higher. He can best be described as a major dagger in the ass of progress. HE MUST GO!
September 30th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
this is my kind of party. agitated males. beechy normally gets it up the ass from 20 guys on nights like this
September 30th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
How do you mismanage a talent like Dmac? Fairy easily. Ask Greg Knapp. He knows how.
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Yep! Ugh
September 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Slow & Stop, most certainly. #55 is a scrub. He starts every play stepping in the wrong direction, most often backwards.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Pressing needs for 2013 draft:
• MLB
• Pass rushing DE
• 2 CB’s
• FS
• NT
• ILB
• ORT
• OG
• WR
I can’t say which is more important. They are all priority 1. So, I guess we need 10 first round draft picks. Good luck with that.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
It seems strange to think of it now, in the midst of so much wreckage, but if you could time-travel back to Sunday morning, you might have had some actual optimism about the Raiders.
They were coming off a 34-31 win over the Steelers. The Broncos had taken back-to-back losses, and the newest instantaneous analysis of Peyton Manning was that he had lost the zip on his passes and might not again be the same Manning. The Raiders hadn’t lost at whatever-corporate-name is slapped on Mile High Stadium since Lane Kiffin’s brief, disastrous reign.
And the Raiders now have Dennis Allen, who was the Broncos’ defensive coordinator just a year ago. Surely, the bright young head coach would have some tricks up his sleeve for his old team.
But optimism is a short-lived commodity when it comes to the Raiders. Every step forward seems to be accompanied by several steps back.
Sunday was a big, big step back. As bad as the loss at Miami. As bad as anything offered in the past several years of mediocre football. The 37-6 loss to Denver was the Raiders’ worst loss to the Broncos since 1962. The year before Al Davis joined the team.
“It was an old-fashioned butt-whipping,” Carson Palmer said.
His coach agreed.
“They out-coached us, they outplayed us, they beat us in every phase of the game,” Allen said.
That about covers it. The Raiders are 1-3 and have appeared inept on the road. They won’t lose next weekend – they have a bye. But then they hit the road again, to play red-hot Atlanta. Good luck finding any optimism heading into that game.
The Raiders are in rebuilding mode, but that’s frustrating for fans to hear when the rebuilding just goes on and on and on. Consecutive seasons of 8-8 records should be something on which to build, not cause for another restart. Especially when so many players on the Raiders – the starting quarterback, running back, the defensive front – are supposed to be ready for winning right now.
The Raiders, almost exactly one year after Davis’ death, have no identity. They have things they haven’t had before, like a powerful general manager, a head coach with job security and a brand-new media guide full of actual information.
But they don’t have a personality or – to the naked eye – a clear direction. They’re not strange or dysfunctional, but they’re simply not very interesting, either. Not when they play as they did Sunday.
After a relatively competitive first half, the Raiders simply disappeared at halftime. The collapse – which resulted in a 21-point third quarter – was on both offense and defense. Defense is supposed to be Allen’s strength, but the Raiders look as bad on defense as they did last year. Their secondary is makeshift following the decision to shed all of last year’s starters and subsequent injuries to their replacements.
And the defensive front – theoretically the best unit on the Raiders – couldn’t touch Manning. Sure, Manning runs the no-huddle, gets rid of the ball quickly and likes the short passing game. Yes, he’s hard to sack. But this is the NFL. No pressure? Zero quarterback hits? Especially after the Broncos lost their starting center to injury?
On Sunday, Manning – who passed for 338 yards and three touchdowns – was barely bothered. He looked every bit like the Hall of Fame quarterback that Denver was promised.
“We didn’t help the cause either,” said defensive lineman Richard Seymour, who has faced Manning forever. “He did what he needed to do to win.”
Seymour insisted, “One game won’t define us.” And that’s fair. But what about two games? Both on the road, both coming with the stench of inevitability and ready-made excuses about heat and altitude?
On offense, the Raiders were equally ineffective. Darren McFadden was neutralized, once again, rushing for 34 yards on 13 carries on the same field where he had amassed 315 yards in his previous two visits. Take away his one lightning-bolt moment – his 64-yard touchdown run against Pittsburgh – and the Raiders’ most dynamic player is having a terrible season. Yet he’s healthy.
Palmer played pretty well – standing up in the face of intense pressure to complete some passes. Still, the Raiders converted only one third down – of 12 opportunities, an 8 percent rate (compared with Manning who was 10-of-16 on third down).
“Third-and-longs killed us,” Palmer said. “We’re putting our coach – coach Knapp – in a tough situation. There aren’t many good calls on 3rd-and-long.”
Funny that Palmer should bring up offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. The quarterback must realize that Raider Nation has focused its wrath on Knapp, with some legitimate reason. The offense was rolling under Hue Jackson last year but has gone backward under Knapp, with mostly the same cast of players. On Sunday, the Raiders ran some misdirection plays early that worked, but drive after drive faltered. In contrast, the Broncos didn’t punt once.
A quarter through the season, the Raiders sit tied with Kansas City at the bottom of the AFC West. There are some winnable games on the schedule, but after a performance like Sunday’s, there’s little reason for optimism.
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Raiders have Zero Idenity
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Raiders-ugly-loss-dashes-any-optimism-3907554.php#ixzz281gQ6eZA
September 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Manning was a machine today. We got owned by a far superior team. Their screen passes were things of beauty with perfect blocking down field by the WR’s. Interesting that he ALWAYS had a wide open hot receiver about 8-10 yards in the middle. It was embarrassing to see how easy it was to move the ball on us. Keep in mind, Manning is a master at doing this and we are not the only ones he has embarrassed. He’s just that good.
CP3 looked good today considering he had 2-3 seconds to get rid of the ball. The whole O-line FAILED today. Seems to me that we were badly out coached today. Our offense has the imagination of grey paint. Knapp has all but destroyed our offense. Our defense is in total shambles and out ST simply isn’t special. TJ22 did a good job as the gunner today – our single ST good thing.
DA needs to fire Knapp, Hoffman & Pollack. He won’t but that would have been a good start. I think we need to elevate TP6 to #2 QB and use him much like the 49er’s did today with Kaepernick. We’ve got nothing to lose (it’s already over if you haven’t figured it out yet) and a lot to gain.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
DMAC is far, far, far from the best back in the league, or for that matter an elite back, period.
All you worshipers will go down with the ship: last year when DMAC played the scrum of the NFL he did great, but against contending teams he was crap. Period. If you don’t believe it look at his stats.
Also, I watched the Eagles v NYG tonight and had to really laugh at Nnamdi who isn’t worth 2 dead flies as a CB. He was torched at least 5 times by Manning and looked in equivalence like McClain always chasing the play while the other CBs made the play. He was flagged 3 times for pass interference and holding, and frankly made a total jackass out of himself. He looked a lot like Stanford Route.
So Nnamdi, this is one Raiders fan who doesn’t believe your self-promoting crappola.
At least AD, before he passed (bfh), had the common sense to dump the greatest “no shut down, shut down corner in football.”
And Corky go kick rocks fool, I care little about your opinion of Nnamdi: you wouldn’t know talent if you held it your hand. Plus you are a liar.
Finally for all you morons who were putting down the Denver Broncos with the childish fantasy we would break Manning’s neck, look at you now: your IQ is lower than your age.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
PLAIN n FCKN SIMPLE. FORMER OLINE COACH BOB WYLIE SPEAKS ON DMAC
Wylie, who was let go after one successful season when the new regime came in, thinks that McFadden is a bad fit for the zone blocking scheme.
“I thought that Darren was a back that ran downhill and off tackle,” Wylie told SiriusXM NFL Radio. “He is so fast, he out runs the zone block. … Sometimes your better off just pitching him that ball and letting him run around the corner and around the D. He can do that.”
Under coach Hue Jackson last year, the Raiders ran a gap and power-blocking scheme and finished 7th in the NFL in rushing. They’re 31st now.
“You have to fit what (McFadden) does, not what you want to do as a coach,” Wylie said.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Nice write-up #692 RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit – Well said.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
JB.. i just posted the article from SF GATE.. Sports writer an killon i believe. either way she is right!!!
Ive been saying we have no idenity since week 1 though. Seems like Palmer got some of his friends together and is playing a pickup football game on offense smh
September 30th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
FIRE GREG KNAPP!!!
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-oakland-raiders-fire-greg-knapp#
September 30th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
SIGN THE PETITION!!! FIRE GREG KNAPP!!!
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-oakland-raiders-fire-greg-knapp#
September 30th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Wylie hit the nail on the head. Knapp & his ZBS has destroyed this team for at least the next 3-4 years, or more. Our only current salvation is to demote Knapp & move Saunders in as OC. Change back to last years offense and blocking scheme. Bring Wylie & Wiz 1.0 back to coach the O-line. These are all logical changes but will never happen. DA believes in the bill of goods his buddy Knapp sold him. He can believe it all the way up to the point when Reggie is forced to fire them both lest he get fired for malpractice. We are screwed for the next 4-5 years, minimum. Season tickets you say? They got me this year but no more after that. I’m not going to pay $35,00 a year to see a schit performance that is inevitable for the foreseeable future.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
JB #698,
Excellent post and analysis.
I feel we should basically forfeit the season, fire Seymour the entire defense except for Wheeler. Just run new guys on the field every week and maybe some of them will stick.
Offensively, let’s trade DMAC, get rid of the O-line except for wiz and velhdeer.
Reggie, Mark, Mark’s Mother, DA, Tarver, and the entire staff should be fired.
Let’s bring in TP and start anew. No harm in a 2/14 season. We can then take advantage of some excellent draft picks, chosen by professionals, and not an afirmative action hand-me-down GM, a head coach who looks green as a pine tree, and the freakish, pock-”mark” red headed spawn who doesn’t know his dorko from a nickle in his pocket.
No wonder AD kept the ugly bastard in a closet most of his life.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
SIGN THE PETITION!!! FIRE GREG KNAPP!!!
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-oakland-raiders-fire-greg-knapp#
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Only 10,000 needed? You wouldn’t think that’d be hard to get.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
JB Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Time to start a “McCheese to the bench” page on Facebook. He’s simply not salvageable. He’s got two speeds: Slow & Stop. He may have been outstanding in college as an ILB in a 3-4 but, he isn’t worth a schit as a Mike MLB. He’s a total FAIL. Trade his ass to anyone that might want him. We might get a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Certainly nothing higher. He can best be described as a major dagger in the ass of progress. HE MUST GO!
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Excellent Post!
We should have dumped that idiot when he pulled his crap playing “thug in the ghetto” and discharged a firearm by his X-best friend’s head.
Big, macho man there, yet his ass grows fatter while his presence on the football field melts away.
This guy is more worthless than JaMarcus.
I hope he goes to prison and they throw away the key.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
So who are we cutting tonight? The whole defense half the offense?
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Yeah we are. Now get the F off this blog. And I don’t care whose neighbor you are.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
well guys.. im here once again, to say …. I TOLD YOU SO!!! there, i said it. so the next time we win this season, and i say ” listen guys, we won because we got lucky” and ” greg knapp is STILL our OC, this team is going backwards with that guy” i dont want to hear you idiots say ” you need patience” you guys can go fuk yourselves… i didnt celebrate last weeks win because with our current OC this team is doomed to fail, as i have said sincewe hired the retard.. im going to bed.
Raiders= 1-15 this season.. yay #1 pick next year!!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:06 am
I say line these f..kers up, ready the ax handle, boil the tar, and get the feathers together.
Our weird azz, freckle faced big ugly affirmative action cast off GM should be the first one who gets the treatment.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:31 am
People are on here saying, “Al Davis would never have done X” or “Al Davis would never gotten rid of Y.” Really? You don’t recall all of the crap from pretty much 1987 to last year? You don’t remember that the only coach who had real success in that time was traded by Al? You think Knapp is bad? Do you not remember Mr. Bed and Breakfast?
I’m frustrated with the team, too, but anyone who thinks Al would’ve righted the ship have short and selective memories.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:47 am
So um, does anyone have any draft prospects?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:49 am
We might be picking pretty high this year in the first round.
On the bright side we don’t lose that 1st rounder to cinncinatti, if we would have made the afc championship!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:50 am
I wonder if Reggie Mac will trade our high first round pick for two low-first rounders, or possibly two second rounders.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:52 am
I am pretty pissed…but the blame can’t all be on Reggie.
I mean the previous administration pretty much traded all of the last draft’s picks and left the team in salary cap hell.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:56 am
Lastly, I wonder of any of this has to do with AEG buying up the services of the Oaktown Coliseum. Maybe, they’re trying to piss off the fan base so much that it forces the team back to LA?
I’m not really one for conspiracy theories but it did seem wierd that we cleared almost 7 million in cap space and then made no moves. I mean there are not too many positions on this team that did not need to improve? Maybe a big move before the trade deadline coming?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:59 am
Geno smith
October 1st, 2012 at 1:56 am
Draft tracker
QB
1st Geno Smith, W.Virginia
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas (have seen mocks with us taking him)
round DT/NT
1st round – Johnathan Hankins, Ohio St.
– Star Loutulelei, Utah
-John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
2nd round
2-Sylvester Williams, N.Carolina
3rd round
Everett Dawkins, DT, Florida St.
Abry Jones, DT, Georgia
4th round-6th-7th
William Campbell, DT, Michigan
Jordan Hill, DT, Penn St.
Baker Steinkuhler, DE/DT, Nebraska
corners
1- First round
Terry Hawthorne, CB, Illinois
– David Amerson, CB, N.Carolina St. (have already seen mocks taking him first)
– Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida St.
– 3rd round
– Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
– Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon St.
– 4th round
– Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, U.Conn
– Mike Backer – First round
– Manti Te’o, ILB, Notre Dame
– Pass rushing OLB
– Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
– Jarvis Jones, Georgia
– 2nd round
– Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
– CJ Mosely, OLB, Bama
– 3rd round
– Chase Thomas, Stanford
– 4-3 de rush – 3rd-4th round
Devin Taylor, DE, S.Carolina
– M.Buchanan, Illinois
– Cornelius Washington, OLB, Georgia
– DeVonte Holloman, South Carolina,
– Walter Stewart,DE/OLB, UCincinnati
offensive line 1
Barrett Jones, Alabama
Rick Wagner, OT, Wisconsin
, Jonathan Cooper, G, N.Carolina
Alex Hurst, OT, LSU
Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas
Gabe Jackson, OG, Miss. St.
James Hurst, OT, N.Carolina.
Tyler Hawkinson, OT, Kansas
RB – 1st
Marcus Lattimore, Southern Carolina
Montee Ball, Wisconsin
2nd-4th round
Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
Christine Michael, RB, Tex A&M
Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford
DJ Harper, RB, Boise St.
Ronnie Wingo, RB, Arkansas,
Washaun Ealy, RB Jacksonville St.
WR – first round
Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
Robert Woods, WR, Southern Cal
Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
2nd round Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
3-5 round Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
3rd-6th Aaron Mellette, WR
4th-5th – Kenny Tate, S/LB, Maryland
5th-6th Keenan Davis, WR, Iowa
safety – Michael Huff surely gone after this year 1 –
T.J. McDonald, USC
Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
Robert Lester, Alabama
Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia (off-field risk, the chronic)
D.J. Swearinger, S.Carolina
Duke Williams, S, Nevada
Rontez Miles, S, Cal (PA)
Brynden Trawick, S, Troy
John Boyett, S, Oregon,
Ray-Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner (way too much off-field stuff)
October 1st, 2012 at 1:56 am
raidertalk Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:52 am
I am pretty pissed…but the blame can’t all be on Reggie.
I mean the previous administration pretty much traded all of the last draft’s picks and left the team in salary cap hell.
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That is exactly correct.
Salary cap hell and pretty much no picks is exactly where Jackson put this team.
McKenzie declined to give up future picks to trade for players and that was a good move for the future.
As I’ve been saying since Jackson was fired, this is going to be a rebuilding year.
People who were expecting a Superbowl are morons.
Our aging defensive line is a real problem and coupled with our inadequate secondary means that we’re going to give up some points.
Also, I’ve had concerns about the offensive line since pre-season and I’ve never felt that McFadden-although a great player-can be the kind of punishing back that you can run down the middle.
There are a lot of positive things happening here but a quick fix isn’t one of them.
October 1st, 2012 at 2:11 am
Raidertalk Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:50 am
I wonder if Reggie Mac will trade our high first round pick for two low-first rounders, or possibly two second rounders.
Lets say the Chiefs would want to move up to the fourth pick to take Tyler Wilson
that’d give us the 36th and 40th pick in the 2nd round – negating our first.
we’d need to look for a team with multiple picks
i’d look at the Jets 11th overall pick, plus the 41st pick – that’d give the Jets a shot at Barkevious Mingo OLB, LSU, Keenan Allen, WR, Cal or Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia at 6th overall – (what i think we’d finish at with 6-10 record)
the 11th overall pick could net us CB David Amerson, N.Carolina St., ILB Manti Teo, or corner Xavier Rhodes of Florida St., the 41st pick would replace the 2nd rounder (we defer to Bengals in Carson Palmer trade) and we could get OLB_DE Sean Porter of Texas A&M or ILB’s Shane Skov of Stanford / or C.J. Mosley of Alabama.
in the 3rd we could get DE John Simon of Ohio St., CB Terry Hawthorne of Illinois or DE/DT Sylvester Williams of N.Carolina
ideally
David Amerson, CB, N.Carolina/Manti Teo
Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M
Sylvester Williams, DE/DT, N.Carolina/Terry Hawthorne, Illinois
very , very early projection and dependent on final record.
then go FA for
DT Terrance Knighton, Jacksonville
CB Cary Williams, Baltimore
ILB E.J. Henderson
October 1st, 2012 at 2:13 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:56 am
raidertalk Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:52 am
I am pretty pissed…but the blame can’t all be on Reggie.
I mean the previous administration pretty much traded all of the last draft’s picks and left the team in salary cap hell.
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That is exactly correct.
Salary cap hell and pretty much no picks is exactly where Jackson put this team.
McKenzie declined to give up future picks to trade for players and that was a good move for the future.
As I’ve been saying since Jackson was fired, this is going to be a rebuilding year.
People who were expecting a Superbowl are morons.
Our aging defensive line is a real problem and coupled with our inadequate secondary means that we’re going to give up some points.
Also, I’ve had concerns about the offensive line since pre-season and I’ve never felt that McFadden-although a great player-can be the kind of punishing back that you can run down the middle.
There are a lot of positive things happening here but a quick fix isn’t one of them.
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Anyone think the key is rebuilding with the defense, and get a stalwart player in the middle, then build around him with corner, pass rushing OLB and defensive front via FA as the Niners did? Staying basic and keeping offense, just tweaking it from ZBS to power…simplifying it.
is this a two draft 2013, 2014 project for Allen and McKenzie?
October 1st, 2012 at 2:19 am
Im reading this post and I wonder how many knew once we saw the miami game we knew, all hell was gonna break lose on the post. Fans attacking each other. I love the raiders and im not going anywhere. Honestly how many thought with no salary cap and no chance to get a stud or two in the draft where we gonna be better or not worse than last year. I even wondered when I saw so many on defense come back as starters from last year. Even Tommy Kelly, I thought he d be gone. I will post it again, No GM or Head coach can be judged without draft picks and salary cap and the ability to clean house. Go reggie and go dennis. And this is coming from a guy that was sad by hue being let go but every gm has to pick his guys for his tenure
October 1st, 2012 at 3:11 am
I will post it again, No GM or Head coach can be judged without draft picks and salary cap and the ability to clean house.
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Really ?
So Tits gets a pass for hiring Krapp ?
Reggie’s cap management, free agency signings and draft selections can’t be judged ?
It is understood the current administration was hamstrung by a lack of draft picks and cap restraints.
Ultimately, they are still responsible for making the most of the resources available to them and putting the best possible product on the field.
There has got to be accountability. Not just for the players, but for management and the coaching staff as well.
October 1st, 2012 at 3:16 am
718.
Seriously? Really? Yea, the defense has and had holes, anyone could see that. But to go from a top 5 O line and a top 10 Offense two years running to this? With essentially the same guys? Just stop it. Get off the blind faith bandwagon. Aren’t you sick of rebuilding? Reformatting? Whatever? You really want to wait another 3 to 4 years to be competitive? And that’s if we give credit to actually have ability to pick players, he hasn’t shown much of that so far. And that’s if we give DA and his poker buddies credit to coach the good players we MIGHT pick. And they have shown NONE of that.
True, only a moron could expect a Super Bowl from this team. Even playoffs was a long shot, things would really have to go our way, with turnovers and staying healthy and all. But nobody expected McFadden to be healthy and disappear. Nobody expected our offense to be completely inept at converting even makeable 3rd downs and be complete dogsh!t in the red zone. Nobody expected our youth to be shown the door with so little time to prove themselves, and NOBODY to take their place anyway, and I haven’t even talked about the lack of talent and heart on this sh!t we call a “defense”.
What happened to “getting better every day?” I would settle for that. And I obviously never expected to literally see us get better every day. Winning by larger and larger margins. But I expected building blocks or baby steps or whatever. Instead we have a team that’s lost in the scheme and has given up on the message, and a coach that smiles on the face of humiliation. Yea, lots to be positive about. STFU.
October 1st, 2012 at 3:36 am
And btw, I’ve been up all night because in so bothered by this. I take this sh!t seriously. Now for the next 3 to 4 years minimum I just have to take sh!tjust because i have sad misfortune of being a Raider fan. I’m sick of taking sh!t from my friends, and having to apologize to my kids for making them Raider fans. I wish I was a Green Bay fan or a ny giants fan or hell, even an Arizona or Tampa bay fan. At least those teams have heart, not to mention talent. We don’t seem to have either one. Who in their right mind tries to force players into as scheme that doesn’t fit them? I know the ZBS can work, and like DA (hey, those initials spell Dumb Ass, works for me) I’ve obviously seen it work. But not w the personnel we have. John Fox is a FING genius. I’d like to shake his hand and smile too. Remember their bye last year? They completely retooled one of the worst teams in the NFL by making the scheme fit Tebow, one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL, and turned themselves into a playoff team. Then, when Tebow left, retooled again w some new schemes and new player acquisitions, and are winning AGAIN.
ANYBODY SEE US DOING ANY OF THAT Sh!t THIS YEAR OR NEXT? Denver was like 1 and 5 before their bye last year. People forget that. They were literally the worst team in football, just like we r now. Difference is they have a head coach who has a clue, and a GM who had a much better situation to deal with and has made some pretty solid moves (albeit risky) that have worked out for him. We have NONE OF THAT!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 3:42 am
I remember the interview w Shine and Gannon on the Raider Hater show from 11am to 3pm on the NFL radio network w John Elway in like week 4 or 5. And Shine was basically like ‘what’s it like being the GM of the worst team in football?’ I’m paraphrasing, but trust me I’m not far off. I love that interview because I revelled in the misfortune of Denver and their fans. 4 weeks later they fixed everything. A season after that they fixed it again. We will go 3 and 13.
October 1st, 2012 at 3:47 am
And next year we will ALSO go 3 and 13. Get ready for the worst stretch of Raider football ever. If you can actually imagine any worse stretches than we have seen in the last 20 years or so? Well here it comes.
October 1st, 2012 at 4:20 am
Post #695….dead on.
October 1st, 2012 at 4:21 am
0ak R8rs Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:16 am
718.
Seriously? Really? Yea, the defense has and had holes, anyone could see that. But to go from a top 5 O line and a top 10 Offense two years running to this? With essentially the same guys? Just stop it. Get off the blind faith bandwagon. Aren’t you sick of rebuilding? Reformatting? Whatever? You really want to wait another 3 to 4 years to be competitive? And that’s if we give credit to actually have ability to pick players, he hasn’t shown much of that so far. And that’s if we give DA and his poker buddies credit to coach the good players we MIGHT pick. And they have shown NONE of that.
True, only a moron could expect a Super Bowl from this team. Even playoffs was a long shot, things would really have to go our way, with turnovers and staying healthy and all. But nobody expected McFadden to be healthy and disappear. Nobody expected our offense to be completely inept at converting even makeable 3rd downs and be complete dogsh!t in the red zone. Nobody expected our youth to be shown the door with so little time to prove themselves, and NOBODY to take their place anyway, and I haven’t even talked about the lack of talent and heart on this sh!t we call a “defense”.
What happened to “getting better every day?” I would settle for that. And I obviously never expected to literally see us get better every day. Winning by larger and larger margins. But I expected building blocks or baby steps or whatever. Instead we have a team that’s lost in the scheme and has given up on the message, and a coach that smiles on the face of humiliation. Yea, lots to be positive about. STFU.
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“A coach that smiles on the face of humiliation.” LOL! SO true
October 1st, 2012 at 5:01 am
Well…….thank God for baseball.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:03 am
I still don’t see 3 and 13.
We have a three game stretch after the Falcons of Chiefs, Browns and Bucs, and we may be favored in every one of those games.
Also play the Jags, and Chiefs again.
I think the team finishes the season strong and gets to 7-9.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:15 am
“As I’ve been saying since Jackson was fired, this is going to be a rebuilding year.
People who were expecting a Superbowl are morons.”
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There is a middle ground between 19-0 Superbowl champs and the crap that this team is. We were expecting to live somewhere in that middle ground. Maybe not anywhere near the Superbowl, but at least competence at a much higher rate.
This isn’t a rebuilding year. That implies they are building something for the future. The only future this team has is double digit loss seasons in a stadium in LA. Maybe they will have the decency to change the name of the team when they go. This isn’t a team in rebuilding mode, this is a team on it’s deathbed.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:16 am
We are no longer the dumbest team in America. Now we are just the worst team in America.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:16 am
Was that pessimistic enough?
October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 am
This team needs 9 new starters on defense in order to compete, thank god I don’t have to watch this disaster next weekend
October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:01 am
Well…….thank God for baseball.
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I wish I didn’t think baseball was terrible.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 am
What a freakin mess!!! I knew we were going to struggle this year but i thought the days of giving up were behind us. i know we’re a young team but we have to continue to fight even when it seems insurmountable. Yesterday was disappointing to see us kind of give up after the flurry of donkey td’s. Now I know the denver altitude had something to do with it but it was still embarrasing. DA’s postgame comments were even more disheartening. Here is a man that looked totally overwhelmed as he tried to explain that they still havee yet to figure out how to get things on track. Too many things need to be fixed and it’s gonna take a personnel makeover to do it.
Simply put, aside from a few players, we don’t have the players to compete. Injuries and bad drafting have just killed us. It’s gonna take time to make it right and i trust in Reggie, but it’s gonna be a long season bros!
October 1st, 2012 at 5:19 am
I don’t think Chuck B was the problem last year anymore, the players are just that bad
October 1st, 2012 at 5:20 am
RediaR Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:01 am
Well…….thank God for baseball.
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I wish I didn’t think baseball was terrible.
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Thank God for fantasy football.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:23 am
This IS a rebuild year, from an organizational prospective.
How can you have a first year owner, GM, HC, DC and not call it a rebuild?
October 1st, 2012 at 5:24 am
I still don’t see 3 and 13.
We have a three game stretch after the Falcons of Chiefs, Browns and Bucs, and we may be favored in every one of those games.
Also play the Jags, and Chiefs again.
I think the team finishes the season strong and gets to 7-9.
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When you said “I still don’t see 3-13″ I was going to agree with you. But I thought you meant that was too lofty a goal. Our only remaining wins are one of the chiefs games and some unpredictable upset by way of Pryor’s legs.
This staff couldn’t get us to 7 wins if they had two seasons. What’s that? They may get two seasons? Fake God help us all!
October 1st, 2012 at 5:25 am
It IS the players. Seymour has nothing left, McLain continues to show he is not the player we thought he was gonna be- i mean how many times was the middle of the field wide open for the running backs? The secondary is a makeshift pile of crap and i’m not sure Spencer and Bartell will be that much better. The o line was bad again- too many holes to “fix”.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:23 am
This IS a rebuild year, from an organizational prospective.
How can you have a first year owner, GM, HC, DC and not call it a rebuild?
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I don’t recall a team finishing 8-8 two years in a row, bringing back all the players and calling it a rebuild year.
If you’re gonna rebuild, then get rid of all the dead weight especially all the players on defense, the whole offensive line minus wiz, get rid of Palmer and draft a QB, stock up on draft picks, then you can call it a rebuilding year, what this is is a prime example of ineptitude from the top to bottom across the board period
October 1st, 2012 at 5:34 am
If you’re gonna rebuild, then get rid of all the dead weight especially all the players on defense, the whole offensive line minus wiz, get rid of Palmer and draft a QB, stock up on draft picks, then you can call it a rebuilding year, what this is is a prime example of ineptitude from the top to bottom across the board period
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-We got rid of a lot of dead weight
-How exactly do we “stock up on draft picks” with no draft picks or tradeable parts?
-What QB should we have taken with the last pick in the 3rd round? Cousins? Foles? Kellen Moore?
October 1st, 2012 at 5:36 am
Our only remaining wins are one of the chiefs games and some unpredictable upset by way of Pryor’s legs.
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Here’s our wins: Chiefs (2), Jags, Bucs, Browns, Bengals.
7-9
October 1st, 2012 at 5:37 am
I have a feeling that Palmer is eventually going to get injured. If that happens, hopefully the coaches go with Pryor. Leinart would just be pointless at this point.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:39 am
Pryor = 16 games inactive
October 1st, 2012 at 5:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:23 am
This IS a rebuild year, from an organizational prospective.
How can you have a first year owner, GM, HC, DC and not call it a rebuild?
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If you’re gonna rebuild you trade Palmer for a first rounder, you rid yourself of expensive non productive players, like Seymour and Kelly, you don’t pay a mediocre safety like Branch big time money, you get rid of these over the hill offensive linemen like Carlisle and Barnes.
Reggie’s mindset / goal was not to rebuild, he thought that by adding a few peaces this would be a competitive team, and he is dead wrong. He did not properly evaluate the defense, if he thought this team could compete, he needed to use every pick he had on defense, instead all the draft picks he used so far other than Burris have not helped on the field.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:39 am
Pryor = 16 games inactive
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Not if Palmer gets injured.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:36 am
Our only remaining wins are one of the chiefs games and some unpredictable upset by way of Pryor’s legs.
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Here’s our wins: Chiefs (2), Jags, Bucs, Browns, Bengals.
7-9
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We get blown out by the Jags and Bengals.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:50 am
Here’s our wins: Chiefs (2), Jags, Bucs, Browns, Bengals.
7-9
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We get blown out by the Jags and Bengals.
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Right now, Bengals and Bucs are way better than us. Chiefs will probably beat Raiders one of those games.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:50 am
WELL,THE WORLD’S GOING TO END IN DECEMBER..
October 1st, 2012 at 5:52 am
I am hopeful for the Raiders. I am hopeful that when the Los Angeles “Ravens” are finally able to make the playoffs in 6 or 7 years, people remember that their lineage traces back to some good years down in Oakland as the Raiders. I am hopeful, that at some point the Raiders will come back to Oakland and that there will be minimal legal issues getting the team’s name back.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:52 am
If you’re gonna rebuild you trade Palmer for a first rounder, you rid yourself of expensive non productive players, like Seymour and Kelly, you don’t pay a mediocre safety like Branch big time money, you get rid of these over the hill offensive linemen like Carlisle and Barnes.
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-Palmer couldn’t fetch us a 1st rounder, maybe a 2nd rounder.
-We got rid of a ton of players, you can’t just cut everyone, since you have to pay some of them anyway and get no cap relief.
-Agree on Branch, he can’t cover ANYONE
-What does getting rid of Carlisle and Barnes do? They don’t make squat, and we don’t have anyone better behind them.
A “rebuild” doesn’t just mean you give up and try to go 0-16, you can’t get 53 new playes in a year, you need some competitive games to evaluate players on the team you want to maybe keep moving forward.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:54 am
Don’t mind me. I’m just having fun being as pessimistic as I can in order to numb the season away.
At least I’m not from Cleveland. At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.At least I’m not from Cleveland.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:55 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:50 am
WELL,THE WORLD’S GOING TO END IN DECEMBER..
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Thanks for trying to cheer us up.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:56 am
Blown-out by the Jags?
Their offense averages less points than us, and they have won 2 road games out of their last 10, both against the Colts.
October 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
741.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:36 am
Our only remaining wins are one of the chiefs games and some unpredictable upset by way of Pryor’s legs.
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Here’s our wins: Chiefs (2), Jags, Bucs, Browns, Bengals.
7-9
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I hate to bust your bubble, but when I heard that Knapp was rehired…I did not expect over 5 wins. The sign of a good coach is having the ability to coach to your players strengths. Knapp just does not have that ability! What Hue did was he was able to get the most out of the players strengths. For all what he may have lacked as a Head-Coach he was able to do that. Unfortunately after 2-straight 8-8 campaigns, (1 under Cable the other under Hue) we have taken steps backwards, even if this is being deemed as a rebuilding year the drop should not be like this! The whole team is being affected adversely because our offense was our strength and now its not, so the players realize this on the other units, and it has resulted in half-hearted play by the defense. It is a disaster because we do not know if McKenzie-or-Allen have made any mandates towards Knapp, and we do not know how lnog they will continue to go with this (ZBS and poor play-calling with no imagination) the whole teams body language is not good right now! And its not just because we have beat-up CB’s, its deeper than that!
October 1st, 2012 at 5:59 am
MJD
October 1st, 2012 at 6:03 am
Unfortunately after 2-straight 8-8 campaigns, (1 under Cable the other under Hue) we have taken steps backwards, even if this is being deemed as a rebuilding year the drop should not be like this!
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I say we finish 7-9, so the drop is only 1 game.
May be a tad too optimistic, but there are winnable games on the schedule left, IMO.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:05 am
I don’t understand why McFadden isn’t being used more in the short passing game.
He obviously isn’t able to get any yards running the ball.
Remember the game against SD?
McFadden was catching everything and the Raiders were competitive.
Travis Goethel to he!!.
12 more games. C’mon man. The Raiders can’t keep using injuries as an excuse; it just makes everybody look bad.
“We did a crappy job of building a competitive roster, so injuries have really hurt us.”
“Obviously we played terribly today, against my old team.”
“Obviously something has to change.”
“Next man up, but we don’t have any corners.”
“Blah, blah, blah……”
October 1st, 2012 at 6:06 am
A good sign of a coach is how their teams progress throghout their year.
Cable always had his teams competing until the end and played well in December. Hue was the exact opposite, playing lights-out to begin 2011, and than fizzling down the stretch.
Can’t make a determination after 4 games, so I will reserve judgement on DA until X-mas time.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:08 am
What they need to do,
1.) Find out who has the best Pass Defense in the league. Look at their practice squad –
2.) Who has the best O-Line in the league, look at their practice squad.
3.) Who has the best run defense in the league, look at their practice squad.
This isn’t brain surgery. We need better guys. (Not that this baboon Coaching staff could coach them but it’s a start.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:14 am
Anyway. The NFL is just not worth following this year. Time for sleep.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:15 am
1.) Find out who has the best Pass Defense in the league. Look at their practice squad –
2.) Who has the best O-Line in the league, look at their practice squad.
3.) Who has the best run defense in the league, look at their practice squad.
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-Pass D I believe is the Cowboys right now, who have 1st round picks everywhere in their secondary, so may not be a bad idea.
-Texans have the best O-line, and we grabbed their starting guard for years, to no avail. All ZBS guys over there.
-Run D is 49ers, I wouldn’t mind raiding their cabinets either.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:29 am
My wife is from Cleveland. Maybe we can back move there, and I can become a Browns fan. It would probably be less painful.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
There is just no “quick fixing” this organization. It’s gonna take some time and the tough thing is watching these games against our rivals. We keep looking at this team as if it’s a finished product but the changes have only just begun. Chances are DA may not even be here next year but you can believe our team will look alot different next year. Personally i don’t see this group of players and coaches doing much to turn it around. It’s gonna take players and probably coaches too that we don’t even have on the roster yet and we’re just gonna have to ride the rough patch until it gets better. Beleive me I’m not thrilled about that prospect either but what’s the alternative, become a donkey fan? I would rather DIE!!!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
Theres no longer any fear in the building in Alameda. No longer will players and especially coaches fear walking the halls after quitting during a game. The Raiders quit, and not just yesterday, they have quit the season. They have nothing to fear anymore,…after yesterdays performance, and the big smile by Allen shaking hands with a Denver coach, seemingly enjoying the humiliation,…well today there would have been a firing, a justifiable one. Now the owner is a guy who doesnt care, losing doesnt bother him, hired a dummy to run the team because he has no interest in football. Marks only passion is to get the highest bid to sell the team to. Big Dummy Reggie is no more then a coffee boy for the real brass on a football team,…Mark never interviewed any other GM`s, because he couldnt care less and it didnt matter anyway, he was selling the team, he gave the GM job to a guy he knew wanted the job and would do it for a low price. The Raiders are no longer the Raiders. The 49ers are now the Raiders. Tough, aggressive, mean, physical,..winners. The Raiders are no longer the Raiders,..they are just a bunch of soft guys with no pride or poise, not toughness,…losers. I knew this would happen when the old man would die,…knew it. The Raiders will NEVER be the Raiders again,…the Raiders now play in SF. Go A`s.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
if bartell and spencer were healthy the results would still be the same. they are not playmakers and would not make difference. Reggie didnt bring in a good quality cb through FA. Many of you give him a pass due to a supposed salary cap hell which i tend to disagree. However, to not draft a cb imo was a missed opportunity.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:35 am
Yeah not overly impressed with spencer and bartell either but we didn’t get to see much of them. Damn injuries and weak draft have killed our depth
October 1st, 2012 at 6:38 am
Our depth has been a problem for years. I think we are all starting to see that most of our guys at best are depth on other teams.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:44 am
I would have been ok with going full re-build this year if that’s what Reggie felt needed to be done, he didn’t and 99% of guys in here didn’t either.
Go back just a couple of months and most of us were talking Division or playoffs as a reachable goal, Coaching improvement alone would make a huge difference, now you wanna say these players don’t belong on NFL rosters?…LOL.
But back to the rebuld talk.
We could have approached the season working on getting rid of as much big or veteran contracts as we could (cap hits would not have allowed us to get rid of everyone).
We could have had a firesale of every guy with some value, just take 40 cents on the dollar as long as we cleared room and got some mid-late picks, fill out the roster with undrafted free-agents, pay the price and win 1, 2 or 3 games in 2012, get a top 3 pick in 2013 and build around him.
Instead, the Organization felt this team was ready to compete by brining back Seymour as opposed to cutting our loss and eating the 7.5 million he was owed, we decied to pay him the other 7.5 million and extending his contract, we also decided to Franchise Branch, we payed Huf a 4 million roster bonus in march, that’s 3 players most guys here love to hate.
Besides, we spent over 13 million dollars in new 2012 contracts for older, veteran players (this is new money, we chose to use it) like Mike Brisiel, Ron Bartell, Khaliff Barnes, Dave Tolleffson, Shawntae Spencer, Matt Giordano, etc.
Why not fill out the roster with rookie free agents like Streater making 390 grand? that would have saved us some money that could have been used to clear another big contract or two.
Add the 2 million or so we still had in cap space entering the season and that’s over 15 million of cap room that was available and spent on this season, again, we could have used a good chunk of it on eating up another big contract or two.
So let’s face it, the plan, whatever it was, it’s not working so far.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:45 am
my fear is that Knapp will out last dmac. reggie will probably trade Dmac for a pick. If im a gm for many of the nfl teams who do not have a ZBS system, i’m calling up Reggie and giving a 3rd rounder for Dmac. its crazy, but Reggie and DA are both big ZBS supporters, and i dont think they care what dmac did the last 2 years at all.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:48 am
That being said, I believe in Reggie, even if his 1st year turns out to be a wasted one.
October 1st, 2012 at 6:53 am
I predicted this early.. no passrushers. No secondary plus knapp and the zbs….. thats a recipe for a losing season… should have done a full rebuild.. total waste
October 1st, 2012 at 6:59 am
Go back just a couple of months and most of us were talking Division or playoffs as a reachable goal
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Seriously didn’t think there was any way we would line up with Houston and ShoNasty as pass rushing DEs.
Knew there was a 3-4 waiting to be unveiled.
Knew for a fact the middle of our line would be better by replacing the RG and C from last year.
Couldn’t have been more wrong.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:00 am
Isn’t it interesting that Denver was able to SUCCESSFULLY scrap their offense mid season last yr. for Tebow and make it to the playoffs and WIN a game. Then, they get Manning and institute an entirely NEW offense to accomodate Manning, and in short order it’s running like a smooth running maching with downfield precision blocking and everything else.
They didn’t miss a beat, and in NO TIME AT ALL they are playoff caliber…or more and did it all without a hitch.
Yet WE are told it’s “gonna take time” and to “be patient” and to “have some perspective here”.
I thought it took all this dam time to institute a ‘new’ system.
What gives?
October 1st, 2012 at 7:01 am
Would have been nice to have Moore, DHB, and Ford all healthy at the same time this year.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:01 am
Besides, Reggie and DA inherited a team with an above average starting QB, a top-flight RB and playmaker, a Franchise Left Tackle, a likely Pro Bowl caliber Center, a decent 1-2 WR tandem in Moore and DHB, a unique FB who can create mismatches all over the field, some young, solid DL in Houston, Bryant and Shaughnessy, that’s a whole lot more than your average rebuilding team usually starts with.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:03 am
What gives is most games we play, we are losing the individual battles at RT, RG, LG, and DE in passing situations.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:04 am
I knew we have no 3-4 personal… predicted we’d run 4 man fronts all day… knew we couldnt touch pm…. his neck is fine. duh
I just hope we go down in flames for that 1st pick
October 1st, 2012 at 7:06 am
#773 good observation.
the answer is it’s BS. Any team can and often has switched OC’s and schemes mid-season and performed well. It’s just RM/DA are being too stubborn. They don’t want to look like they made a mistake, admitting it by firing Knapp, or giving the appearance that the Raiders are an organizational rabble again (hiring/firing people mid-season).
But, Mark has to get on Reggie’s back a bit. And Reggie has to get on Dennis’ back a bit. That thing of accountability, feeling the pressure of your job performance evaluation.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:07 am
I never would have imagined we could actually have a worse defense than last season.
When Bresnahan left I was relieved that FINALLY we wouldn’t have such a horrendous defense.
I cannot believe that we achieved the almost impossible…THIS defense is actually worse than last season.
I didn’t think it was possible, yet here it is.
So glad we have a “defensive minded” HC now.
PATHETIC is not a strong enough word.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:08 am
773. The reason things have worked in denver is because they changed the offense to best fit the current players… option for tbow no huddle for pm.. zbs for dmac…? Oops
October 1st, 2012 at 7:08 am
MH,
Do you have DirecTV or Time Warner?
Apparently, DirecTV is carrying the new Time Warner Sports channel, which NOW has all the Laker home games.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:09 am
J Hill.
We were all wrong, including Reggie and DA, looking at the product on the field this year, no one can seriously claim we got better than the previous 2 seasons.
We are scoring 16 ppg and allowing 31.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:09 am
Go Lakers!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
isn’t carrying the channel
October 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
Nyraider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
if bartell and spencer were healthy the results would still be the same. they are not playmakers and would not make difference. Reggie didnt bring in a good quality cb through FA. Many of you give him a pass due to a supposed salary cap hell which i tend to disagree. However, to not draft a cb imo was a missed opportunity.
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And what starting CBs were available with the last pick of the third round?
People forget the hole we were in this year, draft-wise.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:03 am
I still don’t see 3 and 13.
We have a three game stretch after the Falcons of Chiefs, Browns and Bucs, and we may be favored in every one of those games.
Also play the Jags, and Chiefs again.
I think the team finishes the season strong and gets to 7-9.
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That would mean we go 6-6 the rest of the way.
Possible. Unlikely.
Still think Krapp is so smart ?
Seriously, how many more days of 1 for 12 and 1 for 13 on 3rd down conversions do you need to witness before you accept that Krapp is terrible ?
You really can’t see that he’s destroyed our running game with his scheme and ZBS ?
Think you said you would wait until 1 week after the bye to get on the ‘Scrap Krapp’ bus.
Your seat is still reserved, sir.
As for Slo-mania….the injured ankle, concussion, no DTs in front of him, playing out of position, excuses just don’t wash anymore.
He’s just too Slo to play in this league. McSnail will be out of the NFL within 2 years.
There are many problems with this team.
Your ‘boys’ Krapp and McSnail are two of the weakest links and need to be replaced moving forward if this team is going to turn things around.
All the Killian’s Red in the world won’t help.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:11 am
Well …
With all that said, it’s not like any of us are going anywhere, lol.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:12 am
Haha jhill.. guess we’re both moving on to bball
I have dish network. Pay the 160 or whatever its for the season ticket.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
Bob Marley Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:44 am
I would have been ok with going full re-build this year if that’s what Reggie felt needed to be done, he didn’t and 99% of guys in here didn’t either.
Go back just a couple of months and most of us were talking Division or playoffs as a reachable goal, Coaching improvement alone would make a huge difference, now you wanna say these players don’t belong on NFL rosters?…LOL.
But back to the rebuld talk.
We could have approached the season working on getting rid of as much big or veteran contracts as we could (cap hits would not have allowed us to get rid of everyone).
We could have had a firesale of every guy with some value, just take 40 cents on the dollar as long as we cleared room and got some mid-late picks, fill out the roster with undrafted free-agents, pay the price and win 1, 2 or 3 games in 2012, get a top 3 pick in 2013 and build around him.
Instead, the Organization felt this team was ready to compete by brining back Seymour as opposed to cutting our loss and eating the 7.5 million he was owed, we decied to pay him the other 7.5 million and extending his contract, we also decided to Franchise Branch, we payed Huf a 4 million roster bonus in march, that’s 3 players most guys here love to hate.
Besides, we spent over 13 million dollars in new 2012 contracts for older, veteran players (this is new money, we chose to use it) like Mike Brisiel, Ron Bartell, Khaliff Barnes, Dave Tolleffson, Shawntae Spencer, Matt Giordano, etc.
Why not fill out the roster with rookie free agents like Streater making 390 grand? that would have saved us some money that could have been used to clear another big contract or two.
Add the 2 million or so we still had in cap space entering the season and that’s over 15 million of cap room that was available and spent on this season, again, we could have used a good chunk of it on eating up another big contract or two.
So let’s face it, the plan, whatever it was, it’s not working so far.
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Good post.
I had them down for 9 wins. I didn’t see this coming at all.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
Going to be interesting to see if there are any changes coming out of the bye.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:13 am
We all know that if we got rid of Knapp (and OL coaches) and made Saunders OC, using his playbook, returning to power blocking and Air Coryell, that we would immediately perform much better on offense.
Reggie has to have the balls to realize change is needed, that it’s not acceptable to meander thru the rest of this season, giving up the ghost on the season, and in turn having a lockerroom mail it in, having players with talent perform so bad they lose trade and contract value and want out, then seeing us trade away good talent for slim pickings just because Reggie wants “his guys”, and is just looking forward to stock-piling trade picks because he enjoys drafting his own players.
It’s apparent RM/DA have sold out on the scheme. Putting the scheme > players. Rather than being more of a flexible, hybrid, multi-offense that utilizes many different modern offensive concepts like they were happy to do on defense.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:14 am
I have the season ticket.
Laker games are blacked out do the local broadcast thing or whatever.
I don’t think that is going to work.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:15 am
GG,
What’s worse though? I get what you’re saying and I agree. Is it worse for us to look “unstable” by adjusting our scheme and swallowing their pride, or continuing to get hammered the next 12 games and set new records of futility and embarrassment.
There’s no shame in changing. Teams do it all the time when they bench their QB for the sake of improving their team. Nobody thinks bad of them. Most respect teams that stop doing what doesn’t work for the sake of getting better.
Pride comes before a fall and we’re falling fast.
Smilin’ Dennis doesn’t seem to care.
How many teams throw away seasons anymore? They don’t.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Why all the negativity? Everything wasnt bad, i think T. Jones should get a gameball. His special teams tackling was outstanding.( even with those banged up ribs)
October 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Mornin’ Nation
I don’t even know what to say. As pizzed off as the rest of you I’m sure. Hard to get in depth until the NFL posts the coaches film online.
Right now, I see a 5-11 finish at best. That’s by beating Jacksonville, Cleveland, splitting with KC and pulling another random victory out of our azz someplace.
1-15 wouldn’t surprise me though. This team is bad enough to let MJD, Trent Richardson & Jamaal Charles run all over them and not pull out a miracle win against anyone else.
So many holes on this team I’m not even sure who Reggie should draft.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
We all know that if we got rid of Knapp (and OL coaches) and made Saunders OC, using his playbook, returning to power blocking and Air Coryell, that we would immediately perform much better on offense.
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We don’t all know that.
We can’t pass block.
Outside of Moore, WRs can’t get open.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:18 am
I really dont wanna read any of riffs stupid shìt about the how its not the coaches this week.. everything ive said has come true. Shove those 22s up your bùtt.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:18 am
Yeah, T Jones looked tough as a gunner.
Type of stuff that will earn him some touches on offense and as a return guy.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
So let’s face it, the plan, whatever it was, it’s not working so far.
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The plan was to dump most of the stupid contracts Al handed out (Wimbley, Routt, Seymour should’ve been launched too), plug the holes as best as possible with 1-year “prove it” type contracts to guys (Wheeler, Bartell, Spencer) and hope for the best but expect the worst with an eye toward next year’s draft and free agency.
You can argue about whether that was the right plan or not but that was clearly the plan…we won’t know if it’s “working” or not until next season.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:19 am
Please remain silent about poor coaching. Anyone who knows football can see that changing coaches and schemes every year while keeping the same basic players does not work.
Coaches like Fox and Turner and Marshall and Knapp have been successful elsewhere.
OUR PLAYERS CAN NOT COMPETE AT THE NFL LEVEL!!!!!!
Below is the root cause of the problem: POOR DRAFTING. PLAYERS IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS NEED TO BE IMMEDIATE IMPACT PLAYERS.
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
WE HAVE DRAFTED POORLY AND IGNORED LINE PLAY. DISASTROUS!
Panic set in and we started to sign past their prime free agents and trade picks in 2007 and later.
THIS IS A MESS THAT IS NOT GETTING FIXED THIS YEAR OR THE NEXT.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:20 am
AmysInCharge Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
Theres no longer any fear in the building in Alameda. No longer will players and especially coaches fear walking the halls after quitting during a game. The Raiders quit, and not just yesterday, they have quit the season. They have nothing to fear anymore,…
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All the more reason to get these check cashers out of here.
In Baltimore, they fight for Ray Lewis and each other, Green Bay rallies around their QB, Clay Matthews and Charles Woodson, Giants have Osi and Eli.
The truth is the Raiders have been made up of cast off b-made players for 10 years.
Guys with no heart or passion other than getting that last paycheck. It shows up. The only players bustin their azz out there on every play is D-Moore, DHB, Bryant, Houston, Veldheer, Wiz and Carson….the rest just run through the motions.
Its pathetic and I am beyond sick of it. If it takes a bottoming out to finally identify and be done with the check cashing no playmaking vets…then so be it.
It shouldn’t take the owner having to yell at people…..look at Brian Dawkins (in retirement) fire up his team.
This sad sack has to be waken from the bed just to show up.
Clean this m’fn house
October 1st, 2012 at 7:21 am
When they block my ticket we’re usually on another channel.. but im a few hrs from la.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:22 am
What we saw yesterday was an insult to the fans. What we’re SEEING is an insult to the fans.
We’ll see how they react when the fans speak out silently at the Jags game when 20k show up at the OCO to see this horribly coached, talent starved team takes the field and Mark has to eat yet another revenue losing season that could have been prevented.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:22 am
Changing blocking schemes in the middle of a season is not realistic.
Bringing in someone to help our badly overmatched o-line coach Pollack is.
The scheme is not the problem. Denver kicked our butts yesterday running the same kind of ZBS we do. They just have a good coach teaching it.
Alex Gibbs is sitting at home in semi-retirement right now. Give him a call and bring him in as an “Offensive Consultant” or whatever, but make him the o-line coach.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:22 am
And that’s no endorsement of Knapp, GG.
I just really don’t see this Oline being much better under Saunders, Jackson, or heck even the Giants coaching staff.
We need upgrades at KEY positions. There is just no way around that.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Cornerbacks?.
We signed Bartell and Spencer for what? 3.8 million combined? we signed Brisiel for 5 years and 20 million, gave Khaliff Barnes 2 million.
Denver signed Tracy Porter to a 1 year deal for 4 million, maybe we could have offered him 4.5 and 2 years and secure at least 1 CB spot.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
LOL! Knapp has been successful! Good one dude. Yeah Norv Turner really lit it up in Washington didn’t he? Norv has been given some talented players due to Aj Smith and the other GM there….
October 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
Next year is gonna be tough too, fellas. Get your minds around that right now.
Huff, McClain, Seymour, Kelly will all probably be gone which might be considered addition by subtraction, but who knows if the young guys likely to fill those spots will be an upgrade until they get some more experience under their belts?
Just like 5-11 is about the best we can expect this year, I don’t see anything better than 7-9 in 2013 and that’s if all the stars align perfectly.
You want a winning team and a playoff run? Look to 2014 and 2015.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
iderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:10 am
Nyraider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:31 am
if bartell and spencer were healthy the results would still be the same. they are not playmakers and would not make difference. Reggie didnt bring in a good quality cb through FA. Many of you give him a pass due to a supposed salary cap hell which i tend to disagree. However, to not draft a cb imo was a missed opportunity.
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And what starting CBs were available with the last pick of the third round?
People forget the hole we were in this year, draft-wise.
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boykin or cory sensabaugh
October 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am
They could dump the entire defensive roster RIGHT NOW and install the starting D for Alabama and the Bama D would do better than the pathetic, piece of garbage defense that we have currently.
Sad indictment for our ‘defensive minded’ HC.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am
806.Bob Marley Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Cornerbacks?.
We signed Bartell and Spencer for what? 3.8 million combined? we signed Brisiel for 5 years and 20 million, gave Khaliff Barnes 2 million.
Denver signed Tracy Porter to a 1 year deal for 4 million, maybe we could have offered him 4.5 and 2 years and secure at least 1 CB spot.
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In what world is Tracy Porter any better than Bartell and Spencer? They’re all mid-tier guys.
Besides, Reggie flat out said in an interview with Jerry Mac that he wants no part of cornerbacks who gamble a lot. (Porter, DeAngelo Hall, Asante Samuel types)
Porter was never coming here.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am
Yup clean the house so we can get more studs like Pat Lee, Briesel, Goodson, and coaches like greg Knapp & Steve Hoffman & the smiling Dennis Alen.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
If we ran power for 5yds a carry and playaction off it we could pass block.. wake the fùck up!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Not one player on the Raiders that an opponent has to scheme for…except DMAC…and stopping him is easy because of guys named Carlisle, Bielsel and Barnes….Really?
The defense has been do for a bottoms-up house cleaning for a long time now.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Sad indictment for our ‘defensive minded’ HC.
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Have you seen this dumpster fire of a roster? You have two old, used up defensive tackles anchoring the line, a spectacular bust in the middle, a 4th round rookie at WLB and a bunch of nickel/dime CBs on the roster because the starters got hurt.
Not sure any amount of scheming or coaching up could overcome that.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
We have three big problems on D:
1) No pass rush. Carter may solve this (or at least help).
2) No corners. Nobody expected BOTH Bartell and Spencer to miss extended time simultaneously. Gotta muddle along.
3) Our “triangle” in the middle (DTs Seymour and Kelly and MLB McClain). Not one decent run-stuffer there. Replace those three slugs with Bilukidi, Bryant and Goethel (or Curry when he gets back) and watch our opponents’ running games get WAY less effective.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
Bob Marley Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Cornerbacks?.
We signed Bartell and Spencer for what? 3.8 million combined? we signed Brisiel for 5 years and 20 million, gave Khaliff Barnes 2 million.
Denver signed Tracy Porter to a 1 year deal for 4 million, maybe we could have offered him 4.5 and 2 years and secure at least 1 CB spot.
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agreed
October 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
boykin or cory sensabaugh
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Like either one of those would be the answer to all our problems?
October 1st, 2012 at 7:28 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
So let’s face it, the plan, whatever it was, it’s not working so far.
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The plan was to dump most of the stupid contracts Al handed out (Wimbley, Routt, Seymour should’ve been launched too), plug the holes as best as possible with 1-year “prove it” type contracts to guys (Wheeler, Bartell, Spencer) and hope for the best but expect the worst with an eye toward next year’s draft and free agency.
You can argue about whether that was the right plan or not but that was clearly the plan…we won’t know if it’s “working” or not until next season.
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So where do you fit extending Seymour, paying Huff a 4 million bonus, franchising Branch, re-signing Curry, signing Brisiel to a 5 year 20 million deal and paying Bartell and Barnes a combined 5 million into that plan?.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:28 am
If we ran power for 5yds
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With our RG, LG, and RT????
LMFAO
October 1st, 2012 at 7:29 am
#793
And RM/DA continue to deflect and insist the schematic change is not to blame, that they love the scheme, the scheme is here to stay for the long haul, no ifs or buts, no accountability on themselves, no self-evaluation, but have heard DA/GK put the blame on the players they have to work with.
Ie, protecting their jobs by demanding time, patience. “it’s a process, don’t know how long it might take.” etc.
It’s the same BS every year where we’re still in training camp mode mid-season. That speaks more about a coaching staff especially when we DO have talent on both sides of the ball.
The thing is we have Mark not as interested as Al, not his lifeblood, so hires like RM and DA can feel like their jobs are safe for 3 years, been given 3 years before they’re evaluated.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:29 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am
Next year is gonna be tough too, fellas. Get your minds around that right now.
Huff, McClain, Seymour, Kelly will all probably be gone which might be considered addition by subtraction, but who knows if the young guys likely to fill those spots will be an upgrade until they get some more experience under their belts?
Just like 5-11 is about the best we can expect this year, I don’t see anything better than 7-9 in 2013 and that’s if all the stars align perfectly.
You want a winning team and a playoff run? Look to 2014 and 2015.
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That’s the path they are headed….also add in time for a new QB because I can’t see a full rebuild including Carson Palmer.
Hopefully Palmer balls out and the Raiders can get a 2nd rounder from Arizona or the New York Jets.
I wouldn’t have put in the ZBS as I don’t like it…I actually hate it…and never liked it when Gruden installed it…..but its here!
So they might as well get the players that can execute it. Because I am not sure that Carlisle, Biesel and Barnes could start anywhere…let alone in the ZBS
October 1st, 2012 at 7:30 am
a spectacular bust in the middle,
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LMFAO
October 1st, 2012 at 7:31 am
Look at the last 2 yrs… thats how we are built to play offense…THIS is stupid…
October 1st, 2012 at 7:31 am
So where do you fit extending Seymour, paying Huff a 4 million bonus, franchising Branch, re-signing Curry, signing Brisiel to a 5 year 20 million deal and paying Bartell and Barnes a combined 5 million into that plan?.
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Again, the plan was to muddle along as best as possible this year.
Huff sucks, but point to me someone else who could’ve been better? Keep him on the roster this year.
Curry wasn’t re-signed, he was under contract for this year already. Same with Seymour. His deal was reworked and a couple years tacked on to lower his cap hit. Different thing entirely from a contract extension. If you think the Raiders have any intention of keeping him around for those years, you’re nuts.
No one went on record as saying “Brisel is going to suck.” Barnes did a good job before his injury.
The only real mistake is giving Branch a long term extension. He’s horrible.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:31 am
773.DJ Johnny Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:00 am
Isn’t it interesting that Denver was able to SUCCESSFULLY scrap their offense mid season last yr. for Tebow and make it to the playoffs and WIN a game. Then, they get Manning and institute an entirely NEW offense to accomodate Manning, and in short order it’s running like a smooth running maching with downfield precision blocking and everything else.
They didn’t miss a beat, and in NO TIME AT ALL they are playoff caliber…or more and did it all without a hitch.
Yet WE are told it’s “gonna take time” and to “be patient” and to “have some perspective here”.
I thought it took all this dam time to institute a ‘new’ system.
What gives?
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Thats a true post, I agree. This team was not bad…I know that its hard to judge this thing 4 games into the season…but the Knapp hiring speeled disaster from the begginning. Knapp does not coach according to his players abilities. McFaddens talents are being wasted here. Also, I really do not think that it matters who would be in our secondary. the problem here is it appears we have a coaching staff that does not know how to coach to players-strengths, and may be not willing to. Mckenzie-and-or-DA maybe my way or highway types of leadership…which is not always successful in todays NFL.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:31 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am
Yup clean the house so we can get more studs like Pat Lee, Briesel, Goodson, and coaches like greg Knapp & Steve Hoffman & the smiling Dennis Alen.
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The days of throwing money at guys like Seymour, deAngelo Hall, Javon Walker, Tommy Kelly, Kwame Harris, Kamerion Wimbley and others is over.
If there is not a free agent worth paying…it doesn’t make sense to just throw money out there and get the same doggone result….
What satisfaction is there in losing AND paying out a ton of dollars?
October 1st, 2012 at 7:32 am
823.J Hill Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:30 am
a spectacular bust in the middle,
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LMFAO
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You can’t still possibly defend McClain at this point
October 1st, 2012 at 7:32 am
Bob Marley Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:28 am
So where do you fit extending Seymour, paying Huff a 4 million bonus, franchising Branch, re-signing Curry, signing Brisiel to a 5 year 20 million deal and paying Bartell and Barnes a combined 5 million into that plan?.
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Reggie and DA expected Seymour to be a team leader. Who knew he’d finally get old and creaky?
Can’t fairly judge Huff by his last two games. Dude’s playing CB for the first time since Bush’s first term.
Can’t fairly judge Branch until we have a front seven that actually does their jobs.
Who knows about Curry? He hasn’t played a down for us since mini-camps.
Who knew Brisiel would take the money and stop caring?
Bartell and Barnes are (IIRC) both on one-year “Prove It” deals.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:33 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am
806.Bob Marley Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:23 am
Cornerbacks?.
We signed Bartell and Spencer for what? 3.8 million combined? we signed Brisiel for 5 years and 20 million, gave Khaliff Barnes 2 million.
Denver signed Tracy Porter to a 1 year deal for 4 million, maybe we could have offered him 4.5 and 2 years and secure at least 1 CB spot.
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In what world is Tracy Porter any better than Bartell and Spencer? They’re all mid-tier guys.
Besides, Reggie flat out said in an interview with Jerry Mac that he wants no part of cornerbacks who gamble a lot. (Porter, DeAngelo Hall, Asante Samuel types)
Porter was never coming here.
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bartell hasnt had an int since 2008..cmon..reggie did an excellent job of putting a group of corners together who dont gamble. in fact we may break the houston oilers record of only 3 ints in one season. reggie did a poor job in the secondary period. if you want to give him a pass thats up to you. i dont see much improvement in any of the areas reggie addressed(except burris). however the season is only 4 games in so we will see.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:33 am
I disagree that if we changed scheme we can’t block. This same OL last year did ok, not brilliant, but much better in pass protection last year than this.
The whole game is all about the trenches. What we have going on offense is making our OL worse at run and pass blocking. And defensively, we’re not getting any penetration, and admittedly RoMac is a liability too.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:34 am
Also, for anyone thinking angle-blocking (i.e. “Power Blocking”) will solve our offensive problems, I saw several angle runs yesterday where DMac was stuffed all the same (HINT: You can tell it’s angle blocking if anybody pulls). The problem is not the scheme: it’s our terrible o-line coach.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:34 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:27 am
boykin or cory sensabaugh
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Like either one of those would be the answer to all our problems?
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better than what we have
October 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
Look at the last 2 yrs… thats how we are built to play offense…
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Last 2 years????
Only time we were decent was with Jason Campbell at QB last year. How’s that for ironic.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
Good morning faithful Raider Nation.
That was a tough loss to swallow. Broncos were faster in all phases. We hung tough for awhile, but the outcome was inevitable. We just don’t have the personnel to compete and the coaches aren’t very apt or talented at this level. It’s a mess, and we can now declare our team in rebuild mode. Which seems silly since we were just one win away from the playoffs last year. One win against Buffalo or Detroit or San Diego in wk 17. Any of these games and we would not be in the Dennis Allen laugh-off-losses-and-back-slap-your-former-bosscoach era. We have some talented players on this roster who are rotting away like the back half of Marcus Allen’s career with the Raiders. So much HOF talent wasted on a senseless wholesale turnover. SMH
October 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
reggie did a poor job in the secondary period. if you want to give him a pass thats up to you.
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Should he have really kept Routt? And if you say “no”, then find me 2 corners better than Bartell and Spencer who were available at a reasonable price.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
832.RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:34 am
Also, for anyone thinking angle-blocking (i.e. “Power Blocking”) will solve our offensive problems, I saw several angle runs yesterday where DMac was stuffed all the same (HINT: You can tell it’s angle blocking if anybody pulls). The problem is not the scheme: it’s our terrible o-line coach.
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The Scheme is TRASH!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
better than what we have
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If you really believe this, then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
Oh i can judge huff and branch…… they suck
October 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
Broncos coming off a lost, looking at 1-3 in the first season of the Manning era. They could have given the Raiders 20 points and I would have taken Denver…and won!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
The way you guys think about finding free agent talent is like the “Ticket Oak” on those Stub Hub commercials.
Just walk up to the tree and ask “Free Agent Oak” for an impact player on the cheap.
Wake up
October 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
I’m sure it’s been commented on already. But I’m done with waiting for Slolando McClain to turn the corner. How many times do we have to see McGahee turn the corner and Slo lose backside pursuit and jog the play out. He’s even got his elbows up and knees at the perfect form for a brisk jog while others are chasing hard. Slo is worthless, and I can hope that he’s not on the roster next year.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
Keeping Routt and Wimbley would not only have meant a TON of money paid out this year, but lots and lots of future guarantees (for instance, Wimbley’s $15 million 2013 salary and $12 million 2014 salary would both have become guaranteed if we hadn’t cut him when we did). Reggie didn’t particularly didn’t want to lose either player (especially Wimbley), but those awful contracts left him no choice.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
I actually agreed with most of Reggie’s moves, won’t back down now, but things are not working out.
Gotta run now, later good people.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
You can’t still possibly defend McClain at this point
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I’ve always said the guy is a 3-4 ILB, not a MLB. I wanted to draft Pierre-Paul that year.
With that said, I have different targets in my crosshairs than you. LG, RG, RT, DC, DE, SS. Probably in that order.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
All of our coaches are stupid
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
spend the money cheap reggie
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
I’m a DA supporter, but straight up I feel like the coaches aren’t putting guys in the best positions to succeed and that falls on him above all.
Wiz is a round peg in a square hole at center. I.e., it can fit if you force it, but not comfortably. He needs to be at LG, Carlisle at RG and Brisiel put on a rocket ship to Mars immediately.
It’s not Seymour’s fault they keep running him out there to be a 3 down player when he’s only fit for passing downs at this point. I’m sure he tries, but the tank is just flat out empty.
I get that less talented CBs have to play off good WRs lest they get burned but Tarver’s refusal to have them play even a little bit tighter is mind boggling.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
Everything is stupid
October 1st, 2012 at 7:40 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
The way you guys think about finding free agent talent is like the “Ticket Oak” on those Stub Hub commercials.
Just walk up to the tree and ask “Free Agent Oak” for an impact player on the cheap.
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LMAO
Very well said.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:40 am
spending money =. more wins than 1…
October 1st, 2012 at 7:40 am
Ddwight Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
832.RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:34 am
Also, for anyone thinking angle-blocking (i.e. “Power Blocking”) will solve our offensive problems, I saw several angle runs yesterday where DMac was stuffed all the same (HINT: You can tell it’s angle blocking if anybody pulls). The problem is not the scheme: it’s our terrible o-line coach.
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The Scheme is TRASH!!!
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Really? Then why did Denver run the same scheme and paste 37 points on us? And why did the angle runs we ran yesterday get stuffed as well? IT’S NOT THE SCHEME, IT’S THE COACHING.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:40 am
We all wanted Terry Porter as a cheap one year hire. His injury concerns made him a bargain in free agency. How we didn’t restructure Branch earlier to go after Porter and his $4M salary was a head scratcher. He’d make a huge difference in that game if he was on our side and not theirs.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am
This team is worse than last year’s team right now, but next year will be worlds better than the 2011 team.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
reggie did a poor job in the secondary period. if you want to give him a pass thats up to you.
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Should he have really kept Routt? And if you say “no”, then find me 2 corners better than Bartell and Spencer who were available at a reasonable price.
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Porter, gay, tim jennings, aaron ross, marshall and terell thomas were all available. ill take two of those versus bartell and spencer anyday..throw in a draft pick of boykin in the 3rd round and our secondary would be an improvement
October 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am
845.J Hill Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
You can’t still possibly defend McClain at this point
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I’ve always said the guy is a 3-4 ILB, not a MLB. I wanted to draft Pierre-Paul that year.
With that said, I have different targets in my crosshairs than you. LG, RG, RT, DC, DE, SS. Probably in that order.
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You’re absolutely right about McClain. The one time Al doesn’t take the physical freak and we get stuck with RoMac and the Giants get JPP. SMH.
My top 5 targets? DE, CB, MLB, DT, RT, in that order.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Face it nation as long as Knapp is allowed this amount of latitude, and is here with the Raiders, WE WILL NOT PRODUCE A WINNER!!! He is one of the WORST OC I HAVE EVER WITNESSED…HE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE NFL, AND HE”S BRINGING THE WHOLE TEAM DOWN. But mock my words unless something is done about him, WE WILL NOT WIM MANY GAMES…and we might win 4-6 games this year with him.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
spend the money cheap reggie
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What are you talking about? We’ve got less than $5 million under the cap right now. You want “cheap,” go to Jacksonville where they’re $20 million or so under.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
STUPID
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Good enough to comeback against Steelers, not good enough to stop Manning when his back’s against the wall. Sounds about right. Something between 7-9 and 9-7, same as last year.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:43 am
The way you guys think about finding free agent talent is like the “Ticket Oak” on those Stub Hub commercials.
Just walk up to the tree and ask “Free Agent Oak” for an impact player on the cheap.
Wake up
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LOL
October 1st, 2012 at 7:44 am
Something between 7-9 and 9-7, same as last year.
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sounds optimistic to me.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:44 am
Changing blocking schemes in the middle of a season is not realistic.
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OK.
Let’s just continue to stick with what isn’t working.
That’s realistic.
Patience.
Knapp will deliver.
Whatever.
I’ll tell you what’s realistic…
2-14, if a change ISN’T made.
That might happen even if a change is made. There’s no easy fix on defense.
To be competitive, the offense is going to have to score points. That means the 1-12 and 1-13 days of 3rd down conversions has to end. That means there has to be some semblance of a running game.
But if you insist that changing the blocking scheme isn’t realistic, let’s just stand pat.
Season is done anyway.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Denver scored 34. Knapp could have scored 31 yesterday and he still would have lost, fans would still be calling for his head.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Good enough to comeback against Steelers, not good enough to stop Manning when his back’s against the wall. Sounds about right. Something between 7-9 and 9-7, same as last year.
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You think? After witnessing the first three losses I would say around 5-6.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 am
The one time Al doesn’t take the physical freak
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One time????
I’m still scratching my head how we passed on Calvin Johnson AND Adrian Peterson.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 am
Guest,
If I sound optimistic, it’s because the management that couldn’t get a winning season in 10 years is now gone.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
SnB
See my post on 800.You and I are on the smae page as usual.
Duck: Spencer and Bartell were available because THEY ARE INJURY PRONE.That is usually what happens with free agents. Thay are available for reason.
We have been forced to take NFL cast offs because we have drafted poorly for about 12 years. See my post on 800.
It is not the coaching. Our players can not compete at this level.
Anyone who sees the constant changing of coaches yet not making the playoffs FOR TEN STRAIGHT YEARS has to realize WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TALENTED PLAYERS!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Is the linbacker we got from Green Bay hurt? Thought he was a pass rusher?
Zone blocking = 5-11
October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Denver scored 34. Knapp could have scored 31 yesterday and he still would have lost, fans would still be calling for his head.
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What rock have you been hiding under????
October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
866.J Hill Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:46 am
The one time Al doesn’t take the physical freak
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One time????
I’m still scratching my head how we passed on Calvin Johnson AND Adrian Peterson.
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JaMeatloaf was a 6′6″ QB with an absolute nuclear powered missile for an arm and the Raiders were a team in desperate need of a franchise QB. For QBs he was the ideal Al Davis speciman.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Morilla, I’m sure you mean 5-11. Comeback win against the Steelers kind of flies in the face of your prediction. But as Madden says, that’s why they play the games.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
All the Killian’s Red in the world won’t help.
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You know, I started drinking the first one, and realized how crappy of a beer it is, and it tasted nothing like victory.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:39 am
spend the money cheap reggie
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What are you talking about? We’ve got less than $5 million under the cap right now. You want “cheap,” go to Jacksonville where they’re $20 million or so under.
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we might be there soon, who knows what reggies plan really is
October 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
My top 5 targets? DE, CB, MLB, DT, RT, in that order.
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I’m anxious to hear your take on Tyvon Branch.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
We could have Michael Haynes, and Willie Brown, Howie Long, Otis Sistrunk(university of mars), Ted Hendricks(the stork), Greg Townsend, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw,(Ken Stabler the Snake… on this team…Knapp would bring everything down. 1st of all I dont believe any of the past successful coaches would have re-hired Knapp anyhow! Madden, Flores, or Gruden.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
This week instead of gametape we should watch tape of the coaches fùcking up this team…. and review that all week. We are build to look like the greatest show on turf… but its all backwards..
October 1st, 2012 at 7:49 am
If I sound optimistic, it’s because the management that couldn’t get a winning season in 10 years is now gone.
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Change for change sake in the absense of pragmatic reason is a recipe for failure. This team needed to be altered a bit. Fix what was wrong (defense) and add to what’s working or at least don’t muck it up (offense). The new regime blew it all up like it was building a new skyscraper over an old one.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:50 am
If RM/DA do not make significant schematic and OC changes during this bye period, that’s a mistake imo. They’ve had all training camp and four weeks to prove its worth. There can be no excuses or deflections asking for more time. It’s failed miserably. We’re the worst offense in the league. It’s untenable to continue it, to keep doing something that is clearly a mistake/failure — that’s insanity.
Imagine if RM/DA/GK instead take the bye week to trade Dmac, Taiwan, Pryor etc for CBs, MLB, RB that RM scouted while in Green Bay. All because they’re stubborn about the scheme > players.
To be fair, Al insisted on a scheme (Raiders football), and kept looking for players that fit it. But with the roster we have, it suits a certain scheme. It’s like RM/DA want to keep the system long-term (3 years) in order to completely churn the roster into a RM roster. And then what happens if/when Mark decides RM is to be let go? Or if RM decides DA/GK to be let go after 3 years? You’ve just wasted 3 years and left the org in the same mess that Hue Jackson did in one year when he was making executive personnel decisions.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:50 am
875.J Hill Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
My top 5 targets? DE, CB, MLB, DT, RT, in that order.
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I’m anxious to hear your take on Tyvon Branch.
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Biggest disappointment on this team not named “Matt Shaughnessy.” All out of patience with him. I said upthread he’s a solid backup on most teams. Biggest Reggie mistake so far was signing him to a long term big money deal.
That said, I think if you fix those other 5 positions I listed above (the 4 on defense anyway), Branch’s flaws won’t stand out quite so much.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:50 am
I actually think a lot of it has to do DHB and Ford being out as well. If we don’t have recievers to throw to then they will target the run more aggressively during run plays. They know when we are running on most plays.
We should have challenged that first down Moore had. I can’t believe we just punted without even checking it out.
Also we fell behind after that. So throw out the run game because we had to pass every down to catch up. They knew we were going to pass and we were still running play action on almost every down. It was really stupid. Why have you QB take his eyes off his recievers and the D? We weren’t fooling anyone so why run the play action? I don’t think it’s the system, in my opinion knapp just isn’t very good at calling a game.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
860.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Good enough to comeback against Steelers, not good enough to stop Manning when his back’s against the wall. Sounds about right. Something between 7-9 and 9-7, same as last year.
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What are you drinkin&smokin?
October 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
caoches cant figure out how to get the players on the same page and be good enough to adjust. You do not need a whole season to implement a new scheme if it is any good. Look at denver, miami, seattle, rams, skins. New systems. At least THEY FCKN COMPETE! Our new scheme is so bad, we can’t learn it.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:53 am
Is it me or do the losses seem easier to take when its OBVIOUS your team is INFERIOR. When you know deep down inside your team shouldn’t be on the same field? I got that feeling yesterday and drank my beer and swilled it around and gulped like a pain pill. The blinders came off and realization set in. Dennis Allen’s happy go lucky meeting with his BOSS on the opposite sideline removed the blinders completely.
We are what we are, what are record says we are.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am
First poss in 2nd half, 3 and out. 2 passes 1 run.
Second poss in 2nd half, 3 and out. 3 passes.
Third poss in 2nd half, 3 and out. 3 passes.
fourth poss in 2nd half, 3 and out. all runs.
this poss we ran between the tackles and got it to 3 and 2. The 3rd down play is a joke of a call. They come out of the huddle, have a tight bunch trips ( rookie wr streeter, 3rd week player hagen and te myers) to the left.
The play is toss to the left. We just spent 20 mil in free agent market for a right guard, but were asking our back up wrs to block and get us the first down.
Two things here 1. very bad design of play and 2. Does the coaching also see brisel sux?
October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am
883.TailGaterRaider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
caoches cant figure out how to get the players on the same page and be good enough to adjust. You do not need a whole season to implement a new scheme if it is any good. Look at denver, miami, seattle, rams, skins. New systems. At least THEY FCKN COMPETE! Our new scheme is so bad, we can’t learn it.
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How about that? You 100% right
October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Greatest show on turf?
Carson Palmer = Kurt Warner?
DHB = Isaac Bruce?
Meh.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am
BURN THE WITCH!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:55 am
That said, I think if you fix those other 5 positions I listed above (the 4 on defense anyway), Branch’s flaws won’t stand out quite so much.
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LOL.
How about if he didn’t suck SO MUCH, then we could get off the field on 3rd down????
I think the entire defense would look much better if we could get off the field on 3rd down, and he would stop being outta position on plays like Bush’s long TD run coming outta halftime.
How in the heck can he be the biggest disappointment, but not be one of your targets?
October 1st, 2012 at 7:56 am
If I were Tarver working with the players I’ve got now, here’s how I’d rearrange things:
Shaughnessy and Crawford at LDE.
Houston and Bryant as starting DTs.
Tollefson and Carter at RDE.
That’s all probably rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic but it couldn’t get any worse. Get some real pass rushers at RDE and see if Houston and/or Bryant can be the future at DT.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:56 am
887.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Greatest show on turf?
Carson Palmer = Kurt Warner?
DHB = Isaac Bruce?
Meh.
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KNAPP = Known-Now-As-Playoff-Preventer!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:56 am
Playcalling sucked
October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 am
Dwight,
I wasn’t smoking anything when this team came back against the Steelers, one of the best teams in the league.
This is a team that comes back and beats one of the best teams in football, meanwhile loses to one of the best QBs in the game’s history when he’s faced with 1-3. Sounds like an 8-8 2012 Raiders to me. Which of course makes 9-7 and a wild card a possibility.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Another thing…RM keeps signing all these players to the practice squad or the 53, then waives them, then re-signs them, then waives them to bring some others in, and then waives them etc. He’s grabbing all these players he has knowledge of scouting them while at Green Bay, but none of them have made an impact. That’s on RM and the coaches. I’m specifically referring to DL, LB, DB that they’ve brought in.
Let me backtrack a little. I’m not anti-RM. I like a lot he’s done. But he has faulted in his ability to acquire talent to improve the defense. And the coaches have failed to develop any of them into impactful players — let alone turning into actives.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Defensively, we should have been in garbage time much earlier. If it weren’t for Demaryious Thomas’s wreckless fumble when he was switching hands with the football, it should have been a 2 TD lead going into halftime.
On offense in the first half, we continue to stall out deep in enemy territory with a horrible blocking scheme that can’t produce a ground game and no reliable red zone receivers down close. And an offensive line that is a jailbreak trying to match Myers against Von Miller. Good luck with that Carson!
October 1st, 2012 at 7:59 am
TailGaterRaider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am
caoches cant figure out how to get the players on the same page and be good enough to adjust. You do not need a whole season to implement a new scheme if it is any good. Look at denver, miami, seattle, rams, skins. New systems. At least THEY FCKN COMPETE! Our new scheme is so bad, we can’t learn it.
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exactly
October 1st, 2012 at 7:59 am
How in the heck can he be the biggest disappointment, but not be one of your targets?
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Because like I said, you can hide a less talented player in a talented group sometimes. I’d rather have a very good overall defensive line and a middle linebacker that won’t shoot the wrong gaps 4 out of every 5 times than a better strong safety.
October 1st, 2012 at 7:59 am
Hue Jackson’s Greatest Show on Turf is the Monkees to Dick Vermeil’s Beatles.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am
this team came back against the Steelers, one of the best teams in the league.
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starting to wonder just how bad the Steelers really are?
October 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am
893.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:57 am
Dwight,
I wasn’t smoking anything when this team came back against the Steelers, one of the best teams in the league.
This is a team that comes back and beats one of the best teams in football, meanwhile loses to one of the best QBs in the game’s history when he’s faced with 1-3. Sounds like an 8-8 2012 Raiders to me. Which of course makes 9-7 and a wild card a possibility.
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Don’t forget that Steelers wre without Palomaulu & Harrison. Besides, I was still concerned about Knapp even when they won that game…you should be concerned about Knapp also!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:00 am
If I were Tarver working with the players I’ve got now, here’s how I’d rearrange things:
Shaughnessy and Crawford at LDE.
Houston and Bryant as starting DTs.
Tollefson and Carter at RDE.
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I’d go 3 DL from here on out. One of those 3 DL could be Carter in passing situations.
Wheeler HAS to rush the passer from the outside. He’s our only speed/animal type until Curry gets back.
HAVE to move 55 to ILB. Start Burris next to him at ILB, start the Soto kid.
Phuughh it!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am
And an offensive line that is a jailbreak trying to match Myers against Von Miller. Good luck with that Carson!
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My issue with Knapp is less the ZBS per se than things like this. Myers blocking Von Miller is the offensive co-ordinator equivalent of Rolando McClain covering Calvin Johnson.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am
Our zbs,wco scheme stinks so bad that you have to plug your nose even when you think about it.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am
898.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:59 am
Hue Jackson’s Greatest Show on Turf is the Monkees to Dick Vermeil’s Beatles.
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LOL. I love it.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:01 am
If our offense doesn’t improve I have no reason to believe Dennis Allen won’t replace Knapp at season’s end.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Knapp LOL!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:03 am
It’s on the coaches at this point.
Offensive woes: all scheme and Knapp.
Defensive woes: remember all the players gloating about how finally they’re playing a real defense, how they’re excited, see themselves as a top 5 defense “for sure”.
And remember how during training camp they all said they’re all got the system down etc.
Where is this top 5 defense? They apparently all got it down pat in training camp.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:03 am
GG Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:58 am
Another thing…RM keeps signing all these players to the practice squad or the 53, then waives them, then re-signs them, then waives them to bring some others in, and then waives them etc. He’s grabbing all these players he has knowledge of scouting them while at Green Bay, but none of them have made an impact. That’s on RM and the coaches. I’m specifically referring to DL, LB, DB that they’ve brought in.
Let me backtrack a little. I’m not anti-RM. I like a lot he’s done. But he has faulted in his ability to acquire talent to improve the defense. And the coaches have failed to develop any of them into impactful players — let alone turning into actives.
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All this PS movement is a sure sign of a team in transition. When good teams talk about having the pieces in place, they rarely make these types of moves. The depth chart is deep and the competition just to be a game day active is fierce. We don’t have much competition and our depth is shallow. It’s like trying to find the door knob in a pitch black room. We keep searching for it but we can’t find it.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Why does the inferior (knapp) get to call the O when we have a superior (Saunders) who knows how to win? What is up with that?
October 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Later RN.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am
cheap reggie cant add…al every year worked the cap and wouldve done it again this year….
October 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am
If our offense doesn’t improve I have no reason to believe Dennis Allen won’t replace Knapp at season’s end.
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Why would Dennis Allen be given the luxury of choosing the OC replacement? He needs to ride the rail as well if the Raiders get the #1 overall pick in the draft.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Just so we’re clear on this Greatest Show on Turf thing that Hue Jackson and Al Davis built….
Carson Palmer isn’t even as good as Rich Gannon, let alone Kurt Warner.
If we’re going to exaggerate Hue’s offense, let’s start with something easy like the 2002 Raiders, as opposed to equating it to arguably the best offense ever assembled, which won a Super Bowl (94 niners?…er..99 Rams).
October 1st, 2012 at 8:06 am
To think that last season we beat the Texans. What would they do to us now?
I knew this was a rebuilding year, but who thought the team would be so much worse in all areas. Why has the pass rush disappeared? How could we not able to run the ball at all?
The whole thing is mind-boggling. The team is so bad that I can’t even focus on which players and schemes are responsible. It is a system-wide failure.
Either Reggie knew he was tanking this season in favor of rebuilding — or the next few years will be very dark.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:08 am
I’d go 3 DL from here on out. One of those 3 DL could be Carter in passing situations.
Wheeler HAS to rush the passer from the outside. He’s our only speed/animal type until Curry gets back.
HAVE to move 55 to ILB. Start Burris next to him at ILB, start the Soto kid.
Phuughh it!
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You know a move to a straight 3-4 might be the best thing at this point.
Houston, Bryant, Shaughnessy, Seymour, Crawford can all be decent choies for 5-techniques. Kelly and Bilukidi at NT aren’t ideal, but can get by in a pinch. Hell, keep trying all the d-linemen at NT and see if one can stick.
McClain and Wheeler on the inside. Guys like Burris, Tollefson, Carter and that So’oto kid can play on the outside. See where Curry fits when he gets back.
It might not lead to any improvement, but it certainly can’t be worse.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:08 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:40 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:37 am
The way you guys think about finding free agent talent is like the “Ticket Oak” on those Stub Hub commercials.
Just walk up to the tree and ask “Free Agent Oak” for an impact player on the cheap.
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LMAO
Very well said.
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I agree with this but man, there has to be something we can do! – This cant be the best of the rest.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Morilla, I’m sure you mean 5-11. Comeback win against the Steelers kind of flies in the face of your prediction. But as Madden says, that’s why they play the games.
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Yeah, I was thinking 5-6 wins.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am
He needs to ride the rail as well if the Raiders get the #1 overall pick in the draft.
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Exactly what the team needs, to keep treating head coaches the Al Davis way! That’ll get ‘em lining up to interview.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am
913.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Just so we’re clear on this Greatest Show on Turf thing that Hue Jackson and Al Davis built….
Carson Palmer isn’t even as good as Rich Gannon, let alone Kurt Warner.
If we’re going to exaggerate Hue’s offense, let’s start with something easy like the 2002 Raiders, as opposed to equating it to arguably the best offense ever assembled, which won a Super Bowl (94 niners?…er..99 Rams).
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Hue was given only 1-year, and he did better offensively than Knapp could ever dream to be.
Face it dude Knapp sucks!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 am
McClain should be benched. Got no heart and no desire. Just jogs and halfasses it everywhere.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 am
Guest, unlike previous management, Reggie McKenzie won’t hire a head coach if he doesn’t trust him.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
ANd if you want good FA yo come to Oakland, wins would really help that! No good FA will come to a dirt bottom team.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
reggie can trust a daym pinata…i dont care the guy is clueless….
October 1st, 2012 at 8:11 am
920.guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:10 am
McClain should be benched. Got no heart and no desire. Just jogs and halfasses it everywhere.
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Its not just McClain, Knapp is bringing the morale of the whole team down…the defense has nothing to play off of…its a lost cause.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
GG Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:03 am
It’s on the coaches at this point.
Offensive woes: all scheme and Knapp.
Defensive woes: remember all the players gloating about how finally they’re playing a real defense, how they’re excited, see themselves as a top 5 defense “for sure”.
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Offensive woes lay at the feet of Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp…Agreed…Even though the guards and right tackle are junk….the offense has enough talent to compete…the fact they are not can be laid at the feet of the scheme changes.
Defense: Those players were junk before the season. Al Davis may have had a simple scheme, but it still comes down to making a play…and the Raider players rarely play fast, with intensity or discipline. Add on injuries to the Corners and Aaron Curry and you just have little talent to deal with.
The soft zones are done to cover up the cover weaknesses outside…lack of pass rush is due to lack of talent…Shaughnessy is not generating pressure…Kelly and Seymour are what they are.
Offense should be better….
October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
Either Reggie knew he was tanking this season in favor of rebuilding
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There’s obviously no way to know for sure, but my feeling is that if you injected Reggie with truth serum and asked him about it, he’d admit this season is a tank job. My guess is he has an understanding about that with Mark Davis and Dennis Allen…”Your team is going to suck for a year or two in hopes of building a long term consistent competitor.”
October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
No FA will come to a dirt bottom team? So, that’s why it took Richard Seymour so long to show up here.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
Exactly what the team needs, to keep treating head coaches the Al Davis way! That’ll get ‘em lining up to interview.
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At the very least, I want a straight up Arsehole coach who HATES losing so much he can’t smile for a week till he can WIN again. I agree with the caption “dealbreaker” on the pic of Allen and Fox hugging after the game and a wide wide grin on Allen’s face. That’s like laughing at a funeral.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
When Hue came in as OC, we saw IMMEDIATE results, the offense exploded in Denver scoring 59 points in 3 quarters. Mind you this was with Jason Campbell at QB.
There is no need for “time” and “patience” if you know what the hell you are doing.
This dude Knapp needs to get launched out of a cannon into the bay.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
No free agent will come to a dirt bottom team?
Randy Moss’s response:
“That’s fishy”
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
patience is for losers
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
At least they’re giving a real assessment of Hue now, saying that he brought immediate results, etc. That’s more like it. A minute ago these guys were saying Hue built the best show on turf. Now that was hilarious.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
and fundamentals is for the talentless
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
At the very least, I want a straight up Arsehole coach who HATES losing so much he can’t smile for a week till he can WIN again. I agree with the caption “dealbreaker” on the pic of Allen and Fox hugging after the game and a wide wide grin on Allen’s face. That’s like laughing at a funeral.
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Oh b.s. It’s a football game. I want a coach who can bounce back after a loss and get focused on the next game, not stew in his own juices for a week.
There’s nothing–absolutely nothing–wrong with Allen sharing a moment with a friend and mentor after a tough loss. Ever need to crack a joke after something really bad has happened? Same thing.
Ever see those old cartoon where the sheepdog and the coyote are good friends until they punch in on the clock and the dog beats up the coyote for trying to steal the sheep? And then at the end of the day after that’s all over they’re friends again? That’s pro sports. The players and coaches are mostly on friendly terms with each other except when the game is going on.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
929.boss01 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
When Hue came in as OC, we saw IMMEDIATE results, the offense exploded in Denver scoring 59 points in 3 quarters. Mind you this was with Jason Campbell at QB.
There is no need for “time” and “patience” if you know what the hell you are doing.
This dude Knapp needs to get launched out of a cannon into the bay.
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LOL!!!!!my sentiments exactly!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:16 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am
No FA will come to a dirt bottom team? So, that’s why it took Richard Seymour so long to show up here.
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I love RS, but he’s running out of gas. He shows up for one or two plays then disappears again. Not his fault he’s just getting old.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:16 am
Again, in case anyone is thinking Hue’s offense was as good as the Rams “best show on turf”…Hue’s offense wasn’t even as good as the 2002 Raider’s offense. Not even close, as a matter of fact.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:16 am
boss01 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
When Hue came in as OC, we saw IMMEDIATE results, the offense exploded in Denver scoring 59 points in 3 quarters. Mind you this was with Jason Campbell at QB.
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That was also playing a team that had checked out on its head coach like I’d never seen before. And one game.
Jesus, some of you people act like Hue’s offense was putting up Big 12 type numbers every week.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
No free agent will come to a dirt bottom team?
Randy Moss’s response:
“That’s fishy”
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RM was a Ferrari that wouldn’t get out of first gear.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Great point frankly and sums up the situation perfectly. Case in point was the first and goal in the second qtr. whens the Raiders had a golden opportunity to tie the game going into the half.
Knapp called what everybody knew was coming: DMac off right tackle for 1 yd. and there’s the problem. No misdirection, no Marcel Rease near the goal line, nothing to Moore in the back of the end zone. Instead we get Ausberry, who had -zero- targets at that point, in the flat in the near corner of the end zone.
WTF are the coaches doing with the personnel the Raiders have? They were all good enough players to beat Pittsburgh and yet yesterday it was the coaching that cost the team an opportunity.
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nwr8r Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Coaching sucks. All departments. Blame the talent level if you want to, but you can’t say these players don’t belong in the nfl. Are we the only team that has 53 sub par players? I call b.s. It’s the coaches job to get the players ready to play and put them in the best position based on their strengths. Square pegs and round holes, doesn’t work. The whole re- working the roster during the season just means they are setting up for a long rebuild. You can’t find good talent at this point. I’ll always back my team and wear the colors no matter how painful it is. I just don’t want to see a three year rebuild with the end result of a poor to mediocre team.
Oh yeah…… And FK Knapp
October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am
932.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
At least they’re giving a real assessment of Hue now, saying that he brought immediate results, etc. That’s more like it. A minute ago these guys were saying Hue built the best show on turf. Now that was hilarious.
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I think the point is he’s better than what Knapp is doing. Sabotaging us because he was fired before…..Knapp is paying us back Man!!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Seymour has been a lot better than TK so far.
Not sure what Kelly’s issue is, but he is getting zero penetration on some of these plays, going up against a backup C like yesterday.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am
If Dennis Allen had just jogged up to Fox, looked him in the eye with a stern face, shook his hand and left, these same people would have no criticism of him at all.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:19 am
934. I got a problem with coyote meekly saying so long sheepdog, good nite after getting his arse pounded day in and day out. Better to be the sheepdog who consoles the coyote than the other way around. It’s Fox who should have been in the role of laughing off a bitter loss and not Allen. But I betcha he wouldn’t be as happy if the shoe were on the other foot.
There’s two types of folks. People who like WINNING and people who hate LOSING. I’ll take the latter over the former 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:19 am
Well, as long as that’s the point, Dwight. Because the point that Hue’s offense was as good as the ‘99 Rams is asinine.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Yeah, that’s it. Knapp’s losing on person to get revenge on a dead guy.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Not sure about this “Immediate results” thing with Hue, being that through his first 4 games in 2010 he scored 9 more points TOTAL than we have this year.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
on purpose.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:21 am
Norco is not the only one bright enough to recognize.
I preached here for years that once Al was gone it would never be the Raiders again. Theres no proof that a new GM/coach/owner would do any better then Al did.
I Never would have said this about an Al team but blow this mess up.
DMAC = Ricky Williams the Second, I suspect DMAC has visions of a very long career in the NFL showing flashes of greatness but never stepping up.
McClain = Might as well be a syruphead
DHB = Keeper
Pryor = almost time to see what he can
October 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am
Don Coryell, Bill Walsh, Hue Jackson…lol
October 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am
Through 4 games in 2010 we scored 76 points, we have 67 so far this year.
Hue’s next two games in 2010 scored 44 points, which I think we can do in the next two games as well.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am
A strong dislike of losing is a much stronger motivation than a strong like of winning. I dunno why, but it’s true. Fear of failure is a stronger instinct than ambition to succeed.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Any thoughts on the empty backfield on the 3rd and goal from the 3 right before the end of the first half ?
How about the 2 runs right before that ?
Didn’t like any of those calls.
Somehow, I just knew the Raids would be kicking a FG, instead of scoring a TD.
Was shaking my head at the empty backfield the moment it went down.
I really, really detest Krapp.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Stats don’t tell the story of the 2012 Raiders. Points scored in the boxscore dont do it justice. This team is awful from play to play and series to series. Numbers lie.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Any thoughts on the empty backfield on the 3rd and goal from the 3 right before the end of the first half ?
How about the 2 runs right before that ?
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I thought the two runs were great, it got us to 3rd and 3 from the 6, with TO’s remaining we could have got a first without scoring.
The pass to Ausberry was maybe not the best call, but it wasn’t that far off from a TD.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 am
We all were fooled after the fluke win over Pittsburgh. The “real” Raiders were at it again yesterday as they will be all season. I can live with the losing for now with the excuse that we have a lot of inferior players because of injury or cap. However, having a Defensive head coach and GM I expect a little more effort on that side of the ball. It is obvious that guys like Seymour, Kelly, Huff and McClain are just out there jogging around waiting to get their paychecks. These types of guys need to go. I absolutely hate the Whiners, but there is a HUGE difference in just effort on defense between them and the Raiders. That is ridiculous when you have a young Defensive Head Coach. Dennis Allen so far gets an F from me.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 am
By my calculations, we also have more yards and less turnovers than the first 4 games of 2010, offensively.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 am
I dont think anyone here is delusional enough to think that Hue Jackson’s offense was the “Greatest Show on Turf”
Last year we had the 9th ranked offense with McFadden out 8 games and 2 different starting QB’s.
We had a top 5 rushing offense the last 2 years and now we have a pile of shlt for an offense.
So of you look realistically at what people are saying here and stop being so dramatic you would see the underlying message is WHY did our offense regress so badly?
I think its a fair question that Dennis Allen should have to answer because the one thing that was working well on the team was the O-Line and the running game WHY CHANGE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:27 am
Wishbone,
I think the first 2 losses were a fluke.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:27 am
I have a bad feeling that most Mondays are going to spent in this web site, just like today.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
Go A’s!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
99,
Every time the Raids get down in there close to the goal line, I fear a short Jano FG attempt is on the way. I felt that way in the Pittsburgh game too. But that game will prove to be an abberation. Raids offensive scheme down low is a joke. We have a one in ten shot of scoring TD’s. By seasons end, we will be the worst scoring redzone offense. mark that down.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am
guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am
99,
Every time the Raids get down in there close to the goal line, I fear a short Jano FG attempt is on the way. I felt that way in the Pittsburgh game too. But that game will prove to be an abberation. Raids offensive scheme down low is a joke. We have a one in ten shot of scoring TD’s. By seasons end, we will be the worst scoring redzone offense. mark that down.
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Not my Convo, but I don’t doubt this a bit.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am
And I am not bringing up the 2010 stats to hype up Knapp or trash Hue, just not sure why people don’t see that the 2010 offense got off JUST AS SLOW as we are this season, and turned it up around the midway point.
Not saying we are going to score 59 points in our 7th game like they did that year, just bringing some FACTS to the table.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am
Holy Sh!t…this team has no heart or fire. I am sure many of you saw this…but did any of you see Rolando Mcclain literally jogging on several plays yesterday?
I saw one play where he was chasing a receiver and I could see him just stop and start jogging. I can stand losing, but to lose and not just give a sh!t is another thing.
It looked like the d-line was just going through the motions. This is the worst state of affairs I have ever seen with the Raider franchise. And I am sad to say that I dont see this terrible run ending anytime soon.
If any of you guys have the Game rewind coaches film, coiuld you please key in on Rolando. He is the laziest MLB in the league.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Not sure about this “Immediate results” thing with Hue, being that through his first 4 games in 2010 he scored 9 more points TOTAL than we have this year.
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12 more points and DMAC had almost 400 yds rushing after 4 games
October 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am
I always get shot down for proposing these questions but here goes:
Tell me what team(s) Biesel, Carlisle and Barnes are full-on starters? – because those are the Raider starters.
On defense, what team would pay TK, Seymour and Huff the money they are getting….how many teams would start these guys?
Is Branch worth $8MM?
McClain?
You notice that when the Raiders let players go, they rarely perform at a high level.
Look at Nnamdi? He’s just a guy now.
The talent on the roster is weak in critical spots.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
To think this offense will ever reach the level of 2010, even remotely under Krapp, is simply being delusional
October 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am
934.SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
At the very least, I want a straight up Arsehole coach who HATES losing so much he can’t smile for a week till he can WIN again. I agree with the caption “dealbreaker” on the pic of Allen and Fox hugging after the game and a wide wide grin on Allen’s face. That’s like laughing at a funeral.
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Oh b.s. It’s a football game. I want a coach who can bounce back after a loss and get focused on the next game, not stew in his own juices for a week.
There’s nothing–absolutely nothing–wrong with Allen sharing a moment with a friend and mentor after a tough loss. Ever need to crack a joke after something really bad has happened? Same thing.
Ever see those old cartoon where the sheepdog and the coyote are good friends until they punch in on the clock and the dog beats up the coyote for trying to steal the sheep? And then at the end of the day after that’s all over they’re friends again? That’s pro sports. The players and coaches are mostly on friendly terms with each other except when the game is going on.
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I have never seen a HC smile like that after a humiliating loss as the one we saw yesterday. Never.
Honestly, can u picture Belichik smiling like that and joking around after a Patriot loss? Or Cowher, or Gruden? Or Coughlin? Be honest.
I agree that alot of coaches are friends off the field and that’s fine, but a picture says a thousand words. It’s impossible to be that happy right after a disaster like that UNLESS you don’t see it as a disaster or you really aren’t bothered by it.
A picture says a thousand words and THAT picture says “Hey..it’s just a ballgame. I’m happy for you John. You really tore me a new one today…congrats buddy”.
I don’t what funerals you have gone to but i have rarely seen any jokes being told after a funeral. That’s just me I guess.
In the grand scheme of things it IS just a football game, so maybe Dennis is correct in keeping it in the proper perspective and taking a lighthearted “it’s not life and death, let’s have a laugh about it” attitude toward getting your azz hammered by a division rival.
It is however an attitude I have never see expressed by any successful coach in the NFL and I defy anyone to show me a picture of any other coach of any substance beeming from ear to ear and portraying a slap happy attitude and demeanor after a loss like that.
I’ve seen coaches hug each other and congratulate…happens all the time…but never like that.
Oh well, who cares right? It’s just a game.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:33 am
Hue Jackson built a 9 win team, at best. Reggie’s goal is to build a 14 win team, and it will take a couple of years.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Actually our red zone offense has been our “strength” (used loosely) of our offense.
We are 19th in yards, 29th in points, and 11th in RZ efficiency.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Mark met with Madden and Wolf. They decided the team needed to go in a new direction for whatever reason.
They hired Reggie because he agreed with that direction. Then DA told Reg he can operate within that system and he was hired.
This is real easy stuff. But the bottom line is there is plenty of blame to go around. But it starts at the top. All the finger pointing and Hue wishing wont change things.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
To think this offense will ever reach the level of 2010, even remotely under Krapp, is simply being delusional
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I don’t think we will either, but through 4 games it is neck and neck.
FACT
October 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Not saying we are going to score 59 points in our 7th game like they did that year, just bringing some FACTS to the table.
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True, these are the FACTS. But FACTS without context provides no information that leads to reliable insight. The 59 point outburst was part of a coaching staff upgrade that didn’t include a complete meltdown of coaching structure. Hue was able to make changes under Cable that led to the offensive breakout. It was a process that took them to that point. It wasn’t always good early in 2010 either. But you could see the telltale signals that things were about to change in a good way. Nobody predicted us laying 59 points on Denver in ‘10, but the pieces were all there to see it was going to improve. As bleak as yesterday’s debacle was, it’s hard not to get too down on this team. But show me a silver lining anywhere. Certainly there was something positive to build on? If not, then there isn’t any context to compare to 2010.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:36 am
We might beat Atlanta who knows..im really not in panic mode right now..not yet..even if we go 1-4 we still have hope, not going to be easy but, its not over yet..after ATL its JX KC and TB…dont lose hope yet fellas..
October 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 am
I think its a fair question that Dennis Allen should have to answer because the one thing that was working well on the team was the O-Line and the running game WHY CHANGE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dennis will tell you its because he doesn’t believe in that offense. He will tell you that he believes / understands the WCO as a better system.
He will want to succeed/fail on his own terms…not someone elses.
I am sure he watched every bit of film on the Raiders last year…Reggie too…and that after reviewing all that film, decided a change was in order.
Its not like Hue’s offense was the equivalent of the Ravens Defense or 49er defense…the Raider offense last year was ok in spots. Wasn’t dominant.
DA probably would rather fail his way…then to fail using someone elses model.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:38 am
Actually our red zone offense has been our “strength” (used loosely) of our offense.
We are 19th in yards, 29th in points, and 11th in RZ efficiency.
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29th in points you say?
October 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Sullivan—-Keep on drinking the Koolaid
October 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
If Washington beats Atlanta next week we will beat Atlanta. We’ll beat them convincingly. Mark it. If Atlanta is still undefeated when we play them, I doubt we win. I don’t see this team being good enough to knock off an undefeated, but certainly good enough to pounce on a team that peaked too soon, like hyenas.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:40 am
I predict something between 7-9 and 9-7 for this Raider team. Yeah, that’s drinking the kool aid.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:40 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 am
I dont think anyone here is delusional enough to think that Hue Jackson’s offense was the “Greatest Show on Turf”
Last year we had the 9th ranked offense with McFadden out 8 games and 2 different starting QB’s.
We had a top 5 rushing offense the last 2 years and now we have a pile of shlt for an offense.
So of you look realistically at what people are saying here and stop being so dramatic you would see the underlying message is WHY did our offense regress so badly?
I think its a fair question that Dennis Allen should have to answer because the one thing that was working well on the team was the O-Line and the running game WHY CHANGE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Because MaddenRaider will just tell us how awesome Reggie is, and how it’s not his fault. When he debates someone, he loves to take what you said by completely ignoring the valid point you make and exaggerating into something you never said.
Example: “I think Hue had the team on the right track and his offense was potent & 1,000 times better than Greg Knapp.”
MR takes this to mean “So you’re saying Hue Jackson is just like the Rams offense under Vermeil & Martz and that Carson Palmer is better than Rich Gannon.
See how that works?
October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
If Washington beats Atlanta next week we will beat Atlanta. We’ll beat them convincingly. Mark it. If Atlanta is still undefeated when we play them, I doubt we win. I don’t see this team being good enough to knock off an undefeated, but certainly good enough to pounce on a team that peaked too soon, like hyenas.
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Thank you..
October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
I’m a die hard, delusional, kool aid drinking fan who believes my team will go 8-8!!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Usually when a team has more wins than its defense has interceptions thats a good sign. Except for the 2012 raiders. the defense of 1961 houston oilers who only had 3 ints all year may be erased in the record books..
October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:35 am
To think this offense will ever reach the level of 2010, even remotely under Krapp, is simply being delusional
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I don’t think we will either, but through 4 games it is neck and neck.
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It is not Fact, just look at the most prolific offensive player’s stat line from 2010 and this year, it is not even close, the points scored are not a good gauge to compare the two offenses. Not saying under Hue, we were the greatest show on turf either, but even if you take away the 59 point outburst, there were 5 more 30+ point performances with Jason Campbell at QB
October 1st, 2012 at 8:41 am
I think that Dennis Allen lost a lot die hard fans yesterday with that smile.
He lost me yesterday that is for sure!
October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
29th in points you say?
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Yup, not very good. 28th actually, but I’m not counting the Cowboys yet because they still play tonight.
16.8 ppg so far. Through 6 games in 2010, we averaged 18.1.
So really, not that far off from the start of 2010.
I’m a glass half-full type of guy.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
Another thing is what is with all the overly defensive reaction in regard to any criticism of Dennis Allen?
What has he done to merit all this trust that he’s doing the right thing and knows what he’s doing?
He has siad that the goal was to get better every day.
Has he done that? No. We are worse.
He was supposed to bring a “toughness” to the team and discipline. Where is that?
He’s a 1st yr. HC that took a 32 ranked defense and made them # 20 with Denver last yr. To me, that isn’t enough to merit a pass or to earn my confidence that things are gonna get better with him in charge.
We are widely considered to be the worst team in football. Whether that’s his fault or not is debatable, but he as hell has done NOTHING to make us any better and merit any confidence ro trust that he’s the guy.
Where was all this trust and patience with HUE Jackson?
Yet, most just couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
Nope. Nice try. Someone said that “this offense is designed to be the best show on turf”. Scroll up and see for yourself. That is what I was responding to. Didn’t put words in anyone’s mouth. Quoted directly.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
We should all be more like our HC Dennis Allen. Why stew and fret about a blowout loss? Learn to take the loss in stride. It’s just a game right guys? Not life or death? Right??? Why get so upset?
Patience says Reggie, patience it’s a marathon not a sprint.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:39 am
If Washington beats Atlanta next week we will beat Atlanta. We’ll beat them convincingly. Mark it. If Atlanta is still undefeated when we play them, I doubt we win. I don’t see this team being good enough to knock off an undefeated, but certainly good enough to pounce on a team that peaked too soon, like hyenas.
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You just said Denver was gonna beat us cuz they played us after a loss. But now we are gonna beat the Falcons, at home, because they may be coming after a loss. MR logic 101
October 1st, 2012 at 8:43 am
Dennis Allen doesn’t answer to fans, he answers to Reggie McKenzie.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
It is not Fact, just look at the most prolific offensive player’s stat line from 2010 and this year, it is not even close, the points scored are not a good gauge to compare the two offenses.
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It is a FACT, and I don’t know a better stat to judge an offense on better than points scored. Isn’t that the goal of an offense, to score?
October 1st, 2012 at 8:44 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
Another thing is what is with all the overly defensive reaction in regard to any criticism of Dennis Allen?
What has he done to merit all this trust that he’s doing the right thing and knows what he’s doing?
He has siad that the goal was to get better every day.
Has he done that? No. We are worse.
He was supposed to bring a “toughness” to the team and discipline. Where is that?
He’s a 1st yr. HC that took a 32 ranked defense and made them # 20 with Denver last yr. To me, that isn’t enough to merit a pass or to earn my confidence that things are gonna get better with him in charge.
We are widely considered to be the worst team in football. Whether that’s his fault or not is debatable, but he as hell has done NOTHING to make us any better and merit any confidence ro trust that he’s the guy.
Where was all this trust and patience with HUE Jackson?
Yet, most just couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
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Because Al didn’t make these decisions, that’s why they are stating this crap.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:45 am
Down 31 points with 28 sec left in 4th quater and we call a timeout? Come out and our starting qb is dropping back to pass it. No quit in this head coach of ours. (IM FCKIN JOKING)
October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
Another thing is what is with all the overly defensive reaction in regard to any criticism of Dennis Allen?
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Because it has been 4 games.
He will AT LEAST get 32 games to coach here, and so this makes up about 12% of the games played he will coach here, at a minimum.
If we were 3-1, I wouldn’t be banging his drum for HOF votes either.
Got to temper the extremism.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
I also said because Manning would be facing 1-3. Decent teams typically play better when coming off of a loss. But there are exceptions. Teams that start 4-0 then lose could just as easily be a team that peaked too soon as the next dynasty.
Criticize my methods of calling games all you will. I hit it again, yesterday.
Predicted Denver to win, with Manning having a field day, and I predicted the Niners to win, although I did say the Niners would barely win. Wrong on scores, right on who won.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
DA has gotten the penalty #’s down. Great. Congratulations, but we are the worst team in football.
Maybe that should be the motto in marketing. “Hey we suck…but the penalties are down. Get your season tickets NOW.”
October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
The problem is the defensive backfield. Granted it doesn’t help when you get zero pressure on the QB, ummm, ever…but these guys are wide open all game long. It was a MIRACLE that we pulled out a win against the Steelers..
With a back 7 like ours, there is no reason to think that we can stop anybody at all.
Fix that and we could go 8-8 just with that improvement, but really, looking at where we are and how late in the season it is..Our defensive backfield is unfixable this year.
I DO NOT want to see us draft a QB next year. Carson is just fine, and nobody in the draft is going to be worth that high of a pick at QB..we need a MAJOR overhaul of this defense. We need to find the next Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Patrick Willis, Julius Peppers, Haloti Ngata, Richard Seymour (the younger years)or Brian Urlacher…we MUST hit a few homeruns in the draft on defense for next year or else we will do nothing next season either. The Defense of this team is just downright horrible.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
there is a possibility that we can go 4-4. after the falcons game , those are 3 winnable games..
October 1st, 2012 at 8:48 am
It is a FACT, and I don’t know a better stat to judge an offense on better than points scored. Isn’t that the goal of an offense, to score?
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Not in this case, the fact is Hue took over an offense that was pretty much anemic the previous year, mind you thanks to Jamarcus, and turned it around to top 5. Krapp is taking over an offense that was top 10 and has turned it into junk, 29th to be exact.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:48 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:46 am
I also said because Manning would be facing 1-3. Decent teams typically play better when coming off of a loss. But there are exceptions. Teams that start 4-0 then lose could just as easily be a team that peaked too soon as the next dynasty.
Criticize my methods of calling games all you will. I hit it again, yesterday.
Predicted Denver to win, with Manning having a field day, and I predicted the Niners to win, although I did say the Niners would barely win. Wrong on scores, right on who won.
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Wow MR, you picked two “Favored” teams to win. YOu must be part of the 1% with all the vision you have.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Well, they don’t have the “New Era of Excellence” on raiders.com anymore.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Maybe that should be the motto in marketing. “Hey we suck…but the penalties are down. Get your season tickets NOW.”
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Our new motto: Fundamentals are for the talentless
October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 am
I had this great dream last night that Greg Knapp resigned, and Chip Kelly was our new offensive coordinator. Then I woke up again to the real nightmare.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Just watched the highlights on CSN. I saw Dennis Allen basically jog up to Fox and shake his hand, didn’t notice any type of smile that would be inappropriate in any way. And, yes, I saw the picture everyone’s been posting, too. Yes, Allen’s cheesing in that. But when watching the video, it just seems like a normal handshake. Sometimes still shots when the subject is in motion can give a false impression. Try hitting pause on your DVR when someone on t.v. is talking. They have the dumbest look on their face. That would be an example.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Dude, I certainly feel ya. Here I was thinking Oakland’s going to tie it, change the momentum before half, and have a great shot at taking 5 in a row at Donkeytown.
Nope.
3 mindnumbingly stupid play calls and next thing you know there no wind left in the sails. The team gave up right after that. Fire f*ckin Knapp Reggie! Pull the trigger. Let AS handle the offense the rest of the way, please!?
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RAIDERMAN99 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Any thoughts on the empty backfield on the 3rd and goal from the 3 right before the end of the first half ?
How about the 2 runs right before that ?
Didn’t like any of those calls.
Somehow, I just knew the Raids would be kicking a FG, instead of scoring a TD.
Was shaking my head at the empty backfield the moment it went down.
I really, really detest Krapp.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Krapp is taking over an offense that was top 10 and has turned it into junk, 29th to be exact.
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Your not comparing apples to apples.
We were 16th in scoring last year, 28th or 29th this year depending on the Cowboys tonight.
We were 9th in yards last year, and we are 19th this year.
Not saying we are going in the right direction, but you can’t compare last years yards ranking to this years points ranking.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am
I doubt the Raiders would be favored against Atlanta in two weeks, whether Atlanta wins or loses next week. If Atlanta loses next week, I predict Raiders beat Atlanta. That would be taking the underdog.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:53 am
RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:22 am
The scheme is not the problem. Denver kicked our butts yesterday running the same kind of ZBS we do. They just have a good coach teaching it.
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This is the dumbest post I’ve seen all week. Um, I’m pretty sure the Broncos defense sees the zone blocking scheme in practice every single day and therefore knows how to effectively defend against it!
This game would have been the PERFECT opportunity to do something completely opposite of what the Broncos were expecting and had prepared for! Something similar to the offensive scheme that Saunders and Wylie taught the team last year!
But that makes too much sense.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Krapp is taking over an offense that was top 10 and has turned it into junk, 29th to be exact.
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Your not comparing apples to apples.
We were 16th in scoring last year, 28th or 29th this year depending on the Cowboys tonight.
We were 9th in yards last year, and we are 19th this year.
Not saying we are going in the right direction, but you can’t compare last years yards ranking to this years points ranking.
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Regardless, 29th out of 32 in anything is pretty bad
October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 am
1 step forward (penalties), 3 steps back (offense, defense, special teams)
Sorry folks, but some of this has got to fall on the coaches. These are mostly the same guys from last year. This team is unprepared. Our o-line and defense suck balls.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 am
Who’s worse right now. Chiefs or Raiders?
It’s hard to say.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am
No it’s not, Raiders. We are just terrible.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
Kellygreenninja Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 am
I had this great dream last night that Greg Knapp resigned, and Chip Kelly was our new offensive coordinator. Then I woke up again to the real nightmare.
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Chip Kelly, no thanks. I prefer man football. So if your gonna take Pac 12 coaches, give me David Shaw
October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:42 am
Another thing is what is with all the overly defensive reaction in regard to any criticism of Dennis Allen?
What has he done to merit all this trust that he’s doing the right thing and knows what he’s doing?
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Nothing…but with only 4 games in….firing the head coach or the GM is not realistic in any sense.
Agitating for Hue Jackson over and over again is pointless.
Dennis Allen is going to get at least 2 years to show progress….Reggie will probably get 4-5.
The offense is a disappointment…defense is where I thought it would be because the D was neglected for a decade and you just don’t fix that overnight.
October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
The official trade deadline will be moved from the Tuesday following Week 6 of the regular season to Week 8.
I wonder what Reggie has up his sleeve?
Trade DMC for a couple of 2nd and 3rd’s?
Trade Slowlando for a couple of 3rd’s or 4th’s?
Trade Seymour for a 6th-7th rounder?
Kelly for a 3-4th rounder?
Huff for a 4-5th rounder?
Ford for a 6th rounder?
DHB for a 5th rounder?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
#996 You owe me a fifty.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
Sullivan- I have some land in Florida that I think you might be interested in buying. Also, Jim Jones is calling you. He said he wants all the buckets back.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:57 am
Who’s worse right now. Chiefs or Raiders?
It’s hard to say.
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Sadly the Raiders are worse.
The state of the defense is the worst in the league….and the Raiders lead the league in highly paid players that go entire games without making a play or beating their man.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Some of these guys are just to fkn stupid to admit,REGGIE SUCKS!!! HE BLEW IT!!! WAKE UP. Like I said before Dumbest raider fans in the world are on this blog.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am
No draft choices you have to go FA and other peoples practice squads. There is no where else, unless you look at the CFL(yeck). But man, something has to change. Even if the Raiders look like they are playing tough and losing I could take it, but they don’t look like they are even trying out there.
If our D is on the field as much as they are they need younger guys. RS played like two plays and already had his hands on his hips and was panting too hard. TK was too. Those big guys aren’t big enough to punch through, need smaller faster guys.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
r8eray Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
The official trade deadline will be moved from the Tuesday following Week 6 of the regular season to Week 8.
I wonder what Reggie has up his sleeve?
Trade DMC for a couple of 2nd and 3rd’s?
Trade Slowlando for a couple of 3rd’s or 4th’s?
Trade Seymour for a 6th-7th rounder?
Kelly for a 3-4th rounder?
Huff for a 4-5th rounder?
Ford for a 6th rounder?
DHB for a 5th rounder?
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Realistically, only DMAC has any trade value.
No one is trading for the lack of production and bloated contracts of SEymour and Kelly…
Ford and DHB are not high impact enough for an in-season trade…..
Huff is only worth something to Oakland.
Carson Palmer has trade value…I see him in the Green and White of the Jets next year
October 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Palmers not going anywhere. He’s the only offensive guy producing anything.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
The only thing reggir has up his sleeve is a fking hot wing.. This guy is the worst GM in the league,and one ugly sumbich.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
oakfoshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Some of these guys are just to fkn stupid to admit,REGGIE SUCKS!!! HE BLEW IT!!! WAKE UP. Like I said before Dumbest raider fans in the world are on this blog.
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Ok….the Raiders were just primed for a Super Bowl run…just had to reload right?
The jury is out on Reggie and DA…no one on here disagrees with that.
But making major change/assumptions after 4 games suggests you don’t even understand the NFL of the 21st century
October 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
R8eray Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
Trade Slowlando for a couple of 3rd’s or 4th’s?
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Pretty sure no GM would make this trade, would be lucky to fetch a single 7th rounder.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Jets have agreed to terms on a two-year deal with former Lions cornerback Aaron Berry, per his agent. #nyj
October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
Start PRYOR WEEK 5 ! Knapp sucks b@lls
October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
The trouble with free agents also is Reggie mac is giving everyone a one year contract. That doesn’t help.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
do you support reggie because hes not Al? Or maybe because wolf or madden recommended him? or maybe because he was part of the GB organization? all that is acceptable, but he has not improved this team and many units are weaker than last year. He gets credit for burris and goodson, but his decision to spend on branch, huff, spencer and bartell are suspect at best. His inability to add depth at WR with being 6 mil under the cap per cork is questionable as well. supporting the hiring of knapp also is something he is part of. the OL is weak and briessel his big FA signing is a bust. He didnt draft a cb, and it seems hes all about building a good practice squad.
he also took 4 weeks to sign carter? why?
Rookie GM mistakes? maybe and reggie will get years to prove himself, but no one can be absolutely certain he is the guy
October 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
1026 You got to be kidding me right? Dumbest raider fans in the world are on this blog! Check 1026.Jeeez.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
Why was DA calling offensive timeouts down 5 scores late in the game? Why was Palmer still out there taking bull rushes?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
#1026 Let me educate you son. 21st century NFL is about winning. Reggie is complete loser. It doesnt even take 4 games to figure that out. This blog. lol.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
1032.oakfoshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
1026 You got to be kidding me right? Dumbest raider fans in the world are on this blog! Check 1026.Jeeez.
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yep your a super dumb fvck ain’t ya BOY ?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
1034.oakfoshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
#1026 Let me educate you son. 21st century NFL is about winning. Reggie is complete loser. It doesnt even take 4 games to figure that out. This blog. lol.
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Coming from a guy who dropped out of pre-school…
October 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
Raiderbuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:06 am
The trouble with free agents also is Reggie mac is giving everyone a one year contract. That doesn’t help.
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It suggests that Reggie isn’t sold on those free agents and the pickings were slim.
Next year, he will have close to $50MM and a full compliment of draft picks (except the 2nd rounder) to work with.
Why would he commit that new money next year to plodding talent
October 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
oakfoshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
#1026 Let me educate you son. 21st century NFL is about winning. Reggie is complete loser. It doesnt even take 4 games to figure that out. This blog. lol.
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It is about winning…its about winning Super Bowls…
Not a couple of games here and there so that the fans can celebrate close enough at the end of the year.
Winning Super Bowls are not done overnight.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
Why was DA calling offensive timeouts down 5 scores late in the game? Why was Palmer still out there taking bull rushes?
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Did not understand that myself. Pad stats or try to score so it doesn’t look as bad as it was? Made no sense considering how Palmer was getting lit up.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:18 am
1006.Sullivan44 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Just watched the highlights on CSN. I saw Dennis Allen basically jog up to Fox and shake his hand, didn’t notice any type of smile that would be inappropriate in any way. And, yes, I saw the picture everyone’s been posting, too. Yes, Allen’s cheesing in that. But when watching the video, it just seems like a normal handshake. Sometimes still shots when the subject is in motion can give a false impression. Try hitting pause on your DVR when someone on t.v. is talking. They have the dumbest look on their face. That would be an example.
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Appreciate the attempt to bring calm reasoning into this but I fear no one hear wants to hear it.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:19 am
nyraider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:07 am
do you support reggie because hes not Al? Or maybe because wolf or madden recommended him? or maybe because he was part of the GB organization? all that is acceptable, but he has not improved this team and many units are weaker than last year. He gets credit for burris and goodson, but his decision to spend on branch, huff, spencer and bartell are suspect at best. His inability to add depth at WR with being 6 mil under the cap per cork is questionable as well. supporting the hiring of knapp also is something he is part of. the OL is weak and briessel his big FA signing is a bust. He didnt draft a cb, and it seems hes all about building a good practice squad.
he also took 4 weeks to sign carter? why?
Rookie GM mistakes? maybe and reggie will get years to prove himself, but no one can be absolutely certain he is the guy
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All Reggie had to do was go to the “Free Agent Oak” and he could have fixed EVERYTHING this year.
Reggie: Hi Free Agent Oak, can I get 4 impact defensive players for under $8MM —– whooooooaaaaaaaa—-I love you free agent oak!
Free Agent Oak: I love you too Reggie!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Hi kids,..couple nuggets to chew on,..whos interested in helping us decide on a banner for the Jags game?…as you all know, we reside in row 1,..30 yard line, visitors side,…on tv quite a bit,…anytime the ball is on the north side of the 50 almost every play you could see us,…so you guys have about 10 days, becuase I will have it professionally done, will take a few days,..going to print the wednesday prior to the Jax game…so lets here it, the winner gets a pair of seats in row 5 on the north endzone,…not at all kidding…oh and do you miss the Raiders?..that tough, scary bunch,…too much pride to be pushed around, losing isnt an option,..hurting the opposing players with fierce hitting?…Iv got great news!!…they are back!!…about 1:00 this Sunday at Candlestick Park,..only now they wear red n gold,…since its bye week, why not just enjoy watching the old Raiders crush the Bills?…hey going to the A`s game again tonight,…going to be electric at The O,…the A`s are doing something amazing so pay attention!!!…
October 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Because you’ve got free agent pro-bowl corners comin out your Earhole!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
Post script: My idea for the banner is simple,.. JON GRUDEN 2013,…if you got a better one lets here it, and see a game on me,…go A`s!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
-cp should not have been in the last drive or two
-i have no problem with zbs but if it’s not working, you might have to tweek it if not change it completely
-no pass rush+bad corners=disaster so spencer and carter will help
-worse thing is both road games we’ve gotten behind and most players have quit
October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
So sick of hearing this waxing poetic about Hue’s grand offense.
They scored over 30 points TWICE last season. Once was a win, once was a loss.
Jackson presided over an epic collapse last season that saw them lose 4 out of 5 games. The one win was an OT victory against an abominable KC team and THAT was only a win thanks to Richard Seymour blocking not one but two field goals.
Hue’s oh-so-high-octane offense scored 14, 16, 27, 16, and 26 points in those 5 games.
The main disconnect here is that people think Hue Jackson’s 2011 Oakland Raiders were a good team. They were not. They were mediocre on their best days.
I’m willing to take a step back from mediocre to crappy for a year or two in order to jump forward to not only “good” but “consistently good.”
Hue Jackson’s Raiders were pretenders, not contenders. I want to root for a perennial contender and if that means enduring another horrible year or two, so be it. I’ve put up with it this long, I can deal with it a little more.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
ArmChair GM Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Um, I’m pretty sure the Broncos defense sees the zone blocking scheme in practice every single day and therefore knows how to effectively defend against it!
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So, by that logic, we shouldn’t use angle-blocking against teams that run angle-blocking because their defense has already seen it?
Whatever, pal. Learn something about football and we’ll talk. Here’s a starter: What’s the difference between angle-blocking and zone-blocking?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
1044.AmysInCharge Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
Post script: My idea for the banner is simple,.. JON GRUDEN 2013,…if you got a better one lets here it, and see a game on me,…go A`s!
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LOL.
Might as well put “JOHN MADDEN 2013″
Has the same chance of success.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:25 am
AmysInCharge Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
Post script: My idea for the banner is simple,.. JON GRUDEN 2013,…if you got a better one lets here it, and see a game on me,…go A`s!
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Al, We Miss You!
Or
Bring Back Al!
Or
Bring Back My Raiders!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
So if your gonna take Pac 12 coaches, give me David Shaw
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was hoping for him
October 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
Al, We Miss You!
Or
Bring Back Al!
Or
Bring Back My Raiders!
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Please tell me you’re kidding.
And whether you are or not, a lot of Raider fans would seriously want this without realizing the fact that AL DAVIS IS DEAD (God rest his soul) AND IS NEVER COMING BACK SO LET’S MOVE THE FCK ON.
There’s a banner for someone to take to the game.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:28 am
Nothing positive to take from yesterday. Playcalling wasn’t so much the issue v.s. Miami and Pittsburgh, but it was VERY bad yesterday. Dennis Allen is partly to blame here as he should have made the call to either challenge or go for it on 4th-and-1 while the game was still within reach.
But the defense looked lost. Branch and Houston struggled for much of the game but at least hustled, and were responsible for the only good defensive play of the game. On the other hand, Rolando McClain, Matt Giordano, Tommy Kelly, Richard Seymour, Matt Shaughnessy, Desmond Bryant, and Michael Huff just let Peyton do whatever he wanted to.
Again Palmer didn’t look like the main problem on offense, but a couple crucial mistakes still stung. The WRs still aren’t separating from coverage, and the offensive line is struggling in both the passing game and the run game, especially in the middle.
The way I see it? The Raiders need to improve at MLB, CB, DE/OLB, and DT. Raiders need to find at least 4 new starters before they’re going to get anything done. Hopefully their out of “salary cap hell” next season because they’ll need the room.
As far as I’m concerned, TK and Seymour could be replaced by Houston and Bryant tomorrow and there would be no drop off. Seymour is a part-time player at this point in his career, and Kelly’s effort is only part-time so he might as well be. But the Raiders lack any reasonable options to start at DE, and this is something they’ll have to improve in the offseason.
On the offensive side? Having a legitimate playmaker couldn’t hurt, because I don’t see any of the current group of skill players they have developing into a truly dominant player. That’s a key ingredient they’re missing. But the adjustments at halftime have to improve, because just like the San Diego game the Raiders were right there in the first half, missed some crucial opportunities to tie it or take the lead, and then came out completely flat and ineffective in the second half.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Did DA actually smile after yesterday’s disgraceful blowout loss ?
I missed that. Turned my attention to other games.
I’m not sure what kind of HC DA is going to turn out to be.
But I’ll tell you this, I don’t like his sideline demeanor. Way too emotionless. Seems to lack passion.
Frankly, I’m not impressed with him.
There’s no presence.
Almost glad I missed ‘the smile’.
I’m jaded enough over the Krapp hire.
Not to mention I’d prefer my HC not to have tits.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Here’s a banner:
Seymour, TK, Branch and Huff Please Restructure!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:29 am
We have consistently had a terrible pass defense for years. Even worse this year. Run D has improved but it makes no diff because they can always pass up and down the field.
Combine that with the master of audibles Manning and we’re screwed. Why couldn’t they learn something from the way Atlanta’s D confused Manning?
Knapps offense once again so predictable that they were easy to shut down since they changed nothing from one half to the next. Why? They actually think they were doing ok first half.
Denver’s coaches, being real coaches, actually made adjustments to D and O and tore us a new one second half. It’s like we’re Cincinnati.
Sorry. I’m not drinking the kool-aid anymore.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Lol, SilverNBlackPA. Having a little fun. Chill out.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
But I’ll tell you this, I don’t like his sideline demeanor. Way too emotionless. Seems to lack passion.
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This also describes Bill Belichick pretty well. Tony Dungy too. Not to mention Gary Kubiak and Andy Reid and Tom Landry and…
Look, the point is, sideline demeanor is the single dumbest way to judge a coach.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
1056.The Big Banana Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Lol, SilverNBlackPA. Having a little fun. Chill out.
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I suspected you were but you honestly can’t tell anymore based on some people around here. Just frustrated with the whole “Bring back Al and Hue!” attitude.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,lego:19780928:top,photo,a9139d91-49d7-329b-80a7-ccec94fbec96-l:1
Here’s DA’s smile that you wished you missed.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
Re-hiring Knapp.
Rt up there with hiring the bed and breakfast guy to be OC.
He sucked first time. “I know, let’s hire him again.”
What is this? The NBA?
Ever notice how many mediocre coaches in the NBA keep getting HC jobs?
NFL not usually like that. Except in Oakland. WTF
October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
Good news here is that there’s some very good talent coming out in the draft at positions of need for the Raiders:
Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
Star Loutlelei, DT, Utah
Manti Te’o, MLB, Notre Dame
DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Sign me up for any one of those 5 guys.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
Denver’s coaches, being real coaches, actually made adjustments to D and O and tore us a new one second half. It’s like we’re Cincinnati.
Sorry. I’m not drinking the kool-aid anymore.
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Their adjustments made it look like we had little league coaches patrolling our sidelines.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
It all comes down to COACHING in this LEAGUE. Look at the WHiners and the FALCONS . They have GREAT COACHES. All we have is Allen and Knapp … Sh!tty
October 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
No one seems to want to answer me when I ask what Hue would have done about the salary cap situation. Hard for me to believe that Bush, Boss, Wimbley, and Routt would all still be around. And he already traded away all the high draft picks they had, so what steps could he have taken to improve the roster any more than McKenzie did?
I get that people liked Hue’s scheme – I did too, even though admittedly it wasn’t as lights-out as some around here want to believe. I do think continuity would have helped ease the transition. But I also think if the Raiders needed a disciplinarian – a guy who could take the reins, be the bad guy, and teach the team how to play like professionals instead of like guys collecting checks – Hue wasn’t the right guy for that particular job, in spite of all the things he did well. It’s not an overnight process, but for the first time in two decades the Raiders at least have enough discipline to not constantly shoot themselves in the foot – and the ones who have proved they do not have discipline are not long for this roster.
But let’s face it – one way or another, the Raiders needed to rebuild. From the inside out. From the ground up. The one dude making all the football decisions for the last several decades is gone, and he’s not coming back. So the organization has to move forward, has to modernize, has to try to set itself up for long-term success.
I don’t know a single team in the NFL who has ever been in that situation, but I can certainly tell you that every organization that ever became successful after cleaning house entirely (and even then, there’s no direct comparison for losing your GM/owner/head of personnel in an organization that was still being run the way it was in the 80s) had to BE PATIENT AND WAIT for that success to come. That’s how it works in the real world. There are no easy fixes, especially when the business side of the organization needs just as much rehabilitation as the football side.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:39 am
why isnt anyone calling for our dc to be fired…or am i missing the posts? lol
October 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
Ren,.stop it with the “Whiners”,..that team would humiliate the Raiders 65-0,…you calling them the Whiners shows youre just a dork. Stop embarrassing yourself tool.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:41 am
I just read we have been outscored in the 3rd qtr 55-7…Great 2nd half adjustments coaches!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Pencil it in.
Marquette King new punter next year. Shane’s had enough.
Rolando McClain not an Oakland Raider next year.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
YoungAmerican,
Standing ovation for your post @ #1064.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
I was raised in San Leandro. Old man had season tickets. Raider fan for life.
But I live in phx. Got to have an NFC team to root for so I watch the Cardinals. Unless they play Raiders then it’s Silver and Black.
Anyway, I so wanted Raiders to get Wisenhunt when he was available. But the Cards got him. They went to SB. No fluke. Their game to lose and they did, unfortunately.
Been rebuilding since Warner left and look at them now.
Lesson is: Only hire coaches who come from a winning mentality. Look at all the ex SF coaches that dominated the league after SF’s dynasty years. Gruden was one of them.
Stop hiring freaking losers!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
things have to be worse in order to become better..right now we are on the worse end of it..im not ditching the team….through thick and thin i am behind the raiders…always will be…i rather be a fan of a losing raider team than ANY OTHER winning team in this league period
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Kellygreenninja Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Pencil it in.
Marquette King new punter next year. Shane’s had enough.
Rolando McClain not an Oakland Raider next year.
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I agree.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
lol…angle blocking…
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Rolando McClain not an Oakland Raider next year.
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Nor will Tommy Kelly. Nor will Richard Seymour. Nor will a handful of the players who signed one-year “prove it” contracts.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
Whats the excuse when knapps offense still sucks in yr 2 or yr 3?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:31 am
But I’ll tell you this, I don’t like his sideline demeanor. Way too emotionless. Seems to lack passion.
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This also describes Bill Belichick pretty well. Tony Dungy too. Not to mention Gary Kubiak and Andy Reid and Tom Landry and…
Look, the point is, sideline demeanor is the single dumbest way to judge a coach.
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Disagree, judging body language and emotional demeanor of a coach is the same as judging a players body language and on field demeanor. I think it’s valid. And I can assure you that although Billicheats pressers are emotionless, his sideline presence isn’t. Would DA chase down a ref, and grab him by the arm? At this point, I doubt it. Regardless, I knew what we had as soon as I had seen his stupid visor.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:45 am
1074.YoungAmerican Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Rolando McClain not an Oakland Raider next year.
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Nor will Tommy Kelly. Nor will Richard Seymour. Nor will a handful of the players who signed one-year “prove it” contracts.
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Wheeler might be the only exception.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:45 am
Marks hair Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
Whats the excuse when knapps offense still sucks in yr 2 or yr 3?
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Won’t make it beyond this season if the performance of the offense doesn’t improve.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
Would DA chase down a ref, and grab him by the arm?
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No and he shouldn’t. Not a good thing for a coach to do. Ask Belichick who’s, what, $50K lighter in the wallet because of it?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
No one seems to want to answer me when I ask what Hue would have done about the salary cap situation.
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No doubt Hue wrote checks that were unsustainable. But Reggie had a brief window of opportunity to sign guys like Terry Porter to cheap one year deals. But he let his negotiations with Branch slide. I don’t have a problem with eventually signing Branch long term, but he should have known how far they were apart before franchising him. If we assume that Branch’s deal and the $7.5M that was left on Seymour’s deal was what kept Reggie on the sideline in free agency, I think that’s a huge failure on Reggie’s part to assume the rest of the team would fill out with walk-on FA’s and late draft choices.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
Raider Ren Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:36 am
It all comes down to COACHING in this LEAGUE. Look at the WHiners and the FALCONS . They have GREAT COACHES. All we have is Allen and Knapp … Sh!tty
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They have Patrick Willis — We have Rolando McClain
Forget that….are you SERIOUSLY comparing the O-Line & D-Lines of Atlanta and SF to the sad sack that’s here?
There is not 1 player on Oakland that would start for either of those teams right now.
Maybe DMAC starts…but those teams are happy with the backs they have now.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
Makes you almost miss Chucky’s “eyes of steel”.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Wheeler might be the only exception.
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He’s not a complete player, but he does enough well and his motor never stops. Really like this signing.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
ut Reggie had a brief window of opportunity to sign guys like Terry Porter to cheap one year deals.
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Instead he signed guys like Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer to cheap one year deals. They are no worse than Porter.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Dennis Allen seems like a smart man , but he makes a lot of stupid decisions like hiring Knapp and never making adjustments…
October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:32 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,lego:19780928:top,photo,a9139d91-49d7-329b-80a7-ccec94fbec96-l:1
Here’s DA’s smile that you wished you missed.
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Holy schttt!!! I heard about this, but didn’t know it was this bad. You’d think the guy just won the SB or something!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Who knew that if only Reggie had signed Tracy Porter we’d be sailing away to the #1 defense in all the land!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am
Porter wasn’t all that.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:49 am
I would never smile like that after a loss.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:34 am
Good news here is that there’s some very good talent coming out in the draft at positions of need for the Raiders:
Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
Star Loutlelei, DT, Utah
Manti Te’o, MLB, Notre Dame
DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Sign me up for any one of those 5 guys.
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I watch alot of pac 12, and can say I think Loutlelei will not be as advertised on Sundays, and if so will take too long to notice, I also don’t think Teo is the best MLB and think there could be better. Not certain of who yet, but by the time draft talk is actually warranted, maybe I’ll have a better idea.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Reggie and Allen are gonna be around here for awhile … I’ve resigned myself to this seasons not gonna be a winning season….I also expect Knapps gonna be in Oakland the rest of this year … I doubt Allen or Reggie like the way this has gona either… So for myself , I just wanna see what they do… Not gonna make any wild statements or demands for firing because I doubt it’s gonna happen anytime soon…. Can’t let this give me ulcers … Don’t like what we’ve seen but it is what it is….
October 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Tracy Porter is not the deal breaker.
You want free agent impact…you want to get guys like Mario Williams or Julius Peppers. That’s a difference maker….Tracy Porter?
The Raiders will have $50MM freed up from getting rid of dead weight.
That’s enough to start making change
October 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
No matter what adjustments the DC would have attempted to make at halftime would have been a lost cause. These players on D are just dumb. McClain is un-coachable period, I never thought I would say that Chuck B, inept as he was, was not the problem last year. Tarver has no talent to work with, granted the middle of the field, where McClain operates was open all day, Manning just sliced the D apart like a knife through butter, it was like on every play the red sea parted for Manning.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
What up NATION?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
We know knapps o wont get better… he doesnt adjust.. we’ve seen him coach for yrs… he is predictable.. thats how i predicted this shìt season…
October 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
What do you think Madden & Wolf told Mark?
You dont have the money or the prestige to attract/pay good FA’s. The Roster if filled with overpaid underproducing check cashers. Al robbed peter to pay paul for years in order to manipulate the payroll and traded future draft pick.
I bet they told him to build a team that can win the AFC West Title and you have to do it cheaply so start a system, have a plan and stick with it for the next four years no matter what.
The ZBS takes advantage by spending less money for Oline and RB. Plus you can plug and play year after year.
Spend that money on the QB and WR’s and defense, especially pass rushers. And then MOST IMPORTANT quality depth.
So in three years when Reggie has laid the foundation for the system I have described we can all say WOW, they knew what they were doing after all.
Nothing else matters but the system, Hue did not matter, DMAC does not matter, the big play offense we had did not matter. Al does not matter, nothing.
Thats my story and I am sticking to it.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Question, is McClain hurt?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
No doubt Hue wrote checks that were unsustainable. But Reggie had a brief window of opportunity to sign guys like Terry Porter to cheap one year deals. But he let his negotiations with Branch slide. I don’t have a problem with eventually signing Branch long term, but he should have known how far they were apart before franchising him. If we assume that Branch’s deal and the $7.5M that was left on Seymour’s deal was what kept Reggie on the sideline in free agency, I think that’s a huge failure on Reggie’s part to assume the rest of the team would fill out with walk-on FA’s and late draft choices.
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Seymour was one of the first players to restructure his deal, so I don’t think that had anything to do with it.
Remember that contract negotiations are a two-way street. Long-term deals for franchise players tend to take a while. Porter had a visit scheduled in Oakland but didn’t even come because he knew the Broncos could pay him more.
You know I had a list of players I wanted the Raiders to look at – each and every one of them ended up signing for more money than either A) they’re worth and/or B) the Raiders could pay. Outside of those players, I don’t see any way the Raiders could have made definitive improvements in free agency.
Maybe Aubrayo Franklin would be nice to have right now? He hasn’t seen the field much in San Diego, though.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Question, is McClain hurt?
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No I think he’s just lazy
October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am
Would DA chase down a ref, and grab him by the arm?
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No and he shouldn’t. Not a good thing for a coach to do. Ask Belichick who’s, what, $50K lighter in the wallet because of it?
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You’re right no coach should do that, but it shows how intent Billicheat is, on winning. I can assure you he wouldn’t smile as he’s getting bent over by Mangini, or Josh McDaniels. I’m sure he would do it again,(grab the arm) even if he knew he was going to get slapped with the fine.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
I watch alot of pac 12, and can say I think Loutlelei will not be as advertised on Sundays, and if so will take too long to notice, I also don’t think Teo is the best MLB and think there could be better. Not certain of who yet, but by the time draft talk is actually warranted, maybe I’ll have a better idea.
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It is going to depend on what schematic these guys REALLY want to run as base 4-3, 3-4.
My first pick 2013 will be the best pass rushing killer in college.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
DA’s smile infuriates me, his honeymoon has worn out. Now I’m going to hold him to his “It’s a production business” quote.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
Draft won’t make a diff.
With these coaches, any players drafted will get w the program until they realize it’s all half ass . They’ll realize this when they talk to their rookie friends with real coaches. Then they coast until they’re free agents and go play somewhere else.
And nobody blames them because word gets around.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
My opinion McClain just isn’t as talented as was thought … I can’t judge his desire … But I can judge what I’ve seen and I don’t think he’s got all the Talent that I and others thought he had…I was wrong…
October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
You know I had a list of players I wanted the Raiders to look at – each and every one of them ended up signing for more money than either A) they’re worth and/or B) the Raiders could pay. Outside of those players, I don’t see any way the Raiders could have made definitive improvements in free agency.
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The market rate is what teams are willing to pay, not what we are willing to pay. If you want to compete, have to pony up.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Serious question, is McClain hurt?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Rolando is the biggest disappointment for me this season. One very good game v.s. San Diego, and he’s back to his old ways.
It would not surprise me at all to see Curry back at OLB after he’s off PUP, with Burris or Wheeler taking over in the middle. No doubt the coaching staff recognizes at this point that McClain is a liability. Just not sure who replaces him at this point.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
The market rate is what teams are willing to pay, not what we are willing to pay. If you want to compete, have to pony up.
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Completely agreed. And the Raiders simply did not have the ammunition to do so without mortgaging the future even further.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Serious question, is McClain hurt? I really want to know what the Semi’s think using the eye test or whatever method, you use.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
I watch alot of pac 12, and can say I think Loutlelei will not be as advertised on Sundays, and if so will take too long to notice, I also don’t think Teo is the best MLB and think there could be better. Not certain of who yet, but by the time draft talk is actually warranted, maybe I’ll have a better idea.
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It is going to depend on what schematic these guys REALLY want to run as base 4-3, 3-4.
My first pick 2013 will be the best pass rushing killer in college.
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Yup, completely agree. Best DE/OLB(3-4) available, followed by CB!
October 1st, 2012 at 9:58 am
Slolando is what he is, he is now officially a bust, drafted 8th overall, playing like an undrafted practice squad player.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Serious question, is McClain hurt? I really want to know what the Semi’s think using the eye test or whatever method, you use.
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Brain damage count? If he wants to use an injury as an excuse for poor play, then I’m sure he will. But I didn’t see an injured player. Could care less if he is injured, and would prefer he missed time.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am
anyone who thinks Gruden wouldn’t have this roster 2-2 or 3 and 1?
October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Things that Disgust me about this Current team.
1)Pryor being inactive on Gameday–utterly absurd, we need every playmaker we can possibly get into the game..Use him like the 9ers use Kapernick. For Pryor to be sitting the bench is absolutely mind boggling.
2)Our defensive backs…I realize our starting corners are hurt but can ANYONE make a play on a ball? Can anyone be within at least 5 yards of a WR or T.E on a pass play?
3)Our defensive line’s pass rush..we have some very large strong men on our defensive line that like to hit with their purse instead of manhandling the guy in front of them on their way to the QB…Start getting some hits on the QB, and it will go a LONG way with helping #2
4)Giordano…dude thinks his job when going for a tackle is to slow the guy up long enough for someone else to actually tackle the runner. Im having flashbacks of Stu Schwiegart every time I look at this dude fall down so the ball carrier has to run around him…
5)Why is Taiwan Jones relegated to kick coverage only?? So he made a mistake in 1 game. Big deal! He has to spend the rest of the season in the doghouse because he made a few boneheaded plays? Should every player get this treatment when they make a mistake? If that’s the case then Slowlando Calrissian should be playing for the Toronto Argonauts by now. Like I said, we need ALL PLAYMAKERS ON DECK…Did you see how quick McCoy’s cuts were last night against the Giants? You don’t think it might be nice to have a guy like that on the field every now and then? We have one..and he is covering punts..
6)Speaking of Slowlando–Wow-it feels good to know there are a few NFL millionaires I could absolutely SMOKE in a 40..I have never seen a guy so slow to fill a gap, chase a runner, or drop into coverage in my life. He is even thinking slow. Watch a real linebacker..any of them..when the ball is snapped they know where they are going IMMEDIATELY..on the contrary, it takes Rolando an ETERNITY to figure out what to do. This guy looks like the slow kid everyone used to make fun of in class because they looked so absurd when they tried to run. Im serious. I don’t know how we keep picking magnificent high pick bust after high pick bust but
7)Get rid of this bullSh!t ZBS..its a joke. Anytime you have to start 5 yards behind the L.O.S to make a 1 yard 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 3…and you have to travel between 6 and 8 yards to do it, your setting yourself up to fail. All the D-Line has to do is fall down and make a pile and the whole scheme falls apart and clogs up. We have taken a back that can hit the holes as good as anyone in the league, and forced him to run sideways in order to gain yardage. This is so counter intuitive, especially from what we have ALL known and seen from him in the past, that it defies all known logic. Let the players do what they do best. The more they beat this ZBS drum and it fails, the more inept and insane they all look (Coaches)
It just seems like the Coaches are being totally inflexible and non fluid in their gameplanning and ability to adjust on the fly. This inflexibility is revealing this staff for the pigheaded, stubborn morons that they are. I can’t find any other explanation for it. There are so many other things they could do to at least make it seem like they are ATTEMPTING some sort of adaptation to what isn’t working..some sort of ADJUSTMENT to what they are seeing on the field. I don’t know about you guys, but if I am in a fight, and I keep getting punched in the face, I might try to see where its coming from and perhaps duck one every now and then. These guys just keep standing there–taking it on the chin. Im obviously alone in saying that Its all getting real old, real fast.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am
From the Semi’s on deck right now seems we have a concensus on McClain.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
I keep telling you guys – keep an eye on Stanford’s Chase Thomas. Shade of Clay Matthews/Shea McClellin. Can play OLB, ILB, DE. Gets to the passer, and does enough in coverage.
I also like Alex Okafor from Texas. Versatile – DE, OLB, even DT. Way better technique than his teammate Jeffcoat, doesn’t get swallowed up by OL.
FSU’s Bjoern Werner is another player I like A LOT. He has the whole package at DE – can stop the run and get to the passer. Might be a top 15 pick when all is said and done.
I still think if the Raiders are picking in the Top 3, Geno Smith is going to be their top choice.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
6)Speaking of Slowlando–Wow-it feels good to know there are a few NFL millionaires I could absolutely SMOKE in a 40
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hahahahaha…I am in good enough shape right now to dust McChesse in the 40
October 1st, 2012 at 10:04 am
This is what it’s come to.
Week 4 and people are talking about next years draft.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am
*Not alone* in sayiing that its all getting real old real fast…
Wish we could edit these.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am
weaselbit Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:04 am
This is what it’s come to.
Week 4 and people are talking about next years draft.
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We’re always talking about the draft. Some of us follow CFB draft prospects closely all year.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:05 am
Good call on Chase Thomas, YA.
I like Werner and all, but he’s another left end and I want a natural RDE who can get upfield and make life miserable for the opposing QB.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
I have to be a man of my word….My word was I would not go all in on McClain until the the second game of the year.
I actually gave him the whole first quarter of the season.
Outside of the SD he has proven to me that he is not mike material.
Maybe he can move to the outside, or keep him as a backup however, our 3rd round pick should be a mike, or ilb depending on schematic.
McChesee you are done, you show nada, and should be relegated to backup status. Let goethel take all the snaps.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
lol…angle blocking…
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That IS what it’s called, per Pat Kirwan’s book.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:07 am
@1120
Fair enuf.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am
McClain has two obvious traits, he’s slow and he has poor instincts. Not two traits you want in your MLB. He’s had 2 and a quarter seasons to improve. He is what he is a verified bust.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Thec… Good question … Is McClain hurt…. I don’t believe so … I’m now thinking he’s just not as talented as I and the Raiders thought….way more bad than good play
October 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am
When Curry comes back, McGarbage should be relegated to practice squad status.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Made me sick to my stomach to see ancient Willis McGahee turn the corner and dust McSlo and watch Slo pull up into a vertical jog trailing the play. I don’t know why McClain was bothering to follow? So that he could touch McGahee on the ground after the play was over. His whole body language is all about immediately giving up hope when a ball carrier is past him. McSlow is just one part of the defense that is horribad. But he sticks out even among the others.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am
what up String???? You should have went at clay davis on ya own.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:09 am
YoungAmerican Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am
I keep telling you guys – keep an eye on Stanford’s Chase Thomas. Shade of Clay Matthews/Shea McClellin. Can play OLB, ILB, DE. Gets to the passer, and does enough in coverage.
I also like Alex Okafor from Texas. Versatile – DE, OLB, even DT. Way better technique than his teammate Jeffcoat, doesn’t get swallowed up by OL.
FSU’s Bjoern Werner is another player I like A LOT. He has the whole package at DE – can stop the run and get to the passer. Might be a top 15 pick when all is said and done.
I still think if the Raiders are picking in the Top 3, Geno Smith is going to be their top choice.
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I like Chase Thomas too, not sure he’s going to go in the 1st round though. But regardless, if the Raiders draft a QB in the 1st round. Will be the dumbest move, I’d rather them trade down.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
I am actually hoping Goodell suspend him already,for at least 4 games, that will make it easy on the coaches to just sever all ties with him.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
McClain waiting for contract to be up or cut. Didn’t suck till we got him. Now he’s a legacy player.
Then he will go play for someone else and have a great career.
We know he’s better than this.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
To me Knapp is the big problem. The ZBS doesn’t work with our line and DMAC.
If MacK and DA can’t see that, they are dumb as a box of rocks.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Go watch NFL rewind or if you taped the game go check out #55. Watch that and tell me you don’t want to see him cut. Perfect form for weekend joggers. Slow, paced upright running from point A to point B.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Boss01 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am
When Curry comes back, McGarbage should be relegated to practice squad status.
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He’s been active in WAY too many games for practice squad. To quote Buddy Ryan: “Trade him for a six-pack. Doesn’t even have to be cold.”
October 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Stringer Bell Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am
McClain has two obvious traits, he’s slow and he has poor instincts. Not two traits you want in your MLB. He’s had 2 and a quarter seasons to improve. He is what he is a verified bust.
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Solid post…this is what some of us have been sying from jump….
Instincts…. Look at pat will, urlack, jameel mclain from balt who was avail in FA for a milkshake, burger, and fries, bobby freakin wagner the rookie.
All those guys, and plety others attack the ball, with speed, and instincts.
I would take bwags over McCheese in a heart beat.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
THEC, I think dude is done. Can you imagine him trying to cover a back out of the backfield on the regular like most Will and SAM backers are asked to do? Good God Help us…He is just too slow, and too deliberate in his reads and reactions to be of any use to us, especially in the middle. He needs to be relegated to the bench..enough is enough.
We MUST hit some homeruns in next years draft. The whole thing needs to be picked for defense.
Knapp will be fired and we can hopefully go back to the power scheme. This misuse of DMAC is criminal. Eventually he is going to get hurt and our season will officially be over.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Rolando is definitely a mystery at this point. The coaches continue to believe in him so I gotta think he’s playing hurt or something like that. Personally I’m of the opinion he’s just overrated. We haven’t even seen glimpses of anything more than just solid play and he’s too inconsistent. Too often out of position and not an impact player. We need difference makers!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
The McClain talk goes right to the heart of the problem.
McClain is supposed to be our Ray Lewis…Patrick Willis, Brian Urlacher…..but nope…another career backup player.
DHB is supposed to be our Julious Jones, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald….and while I ADMIRE his work ethic…his career will be as a supportive #2 or #3.
Traded 1st & 2nd round picks for “here and now” guys like Richard Seymour, deAngelo Hall, Carson Palmer and Randy Moss…..there will be NOTHING to show for from those guys next year….those are picks that should have netted the team at least 1 difference maker for the next 10 years.
Then you have the many outright busts that have washed out of the roster and in some cases out of the league.
Guys that RIGHT NOW should be in their prime….when you miss high, you then scramble to replace with more free agents…late round gems…and further put pressure on the salary cap…….
This isn’t a short term deal folks
October 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Weaselbit Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:10 am
McClain waiting for contract to be up or cut. Didn’t suck till we got him. Now he’s a legacy player.
Then he will go play for someone else and have a great career.
We know he’s better than this.
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That’s exactly what JaMarcus Russell thought he’d do. He pouted and half-*ssed his way out of Oakland, then thought he could pick and choose between suitors. Wrong.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Perfect form for weekend joggers. Slow, paced upright running from point A to point B.
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ROFLMAO…
October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am
The Raiders have hit on one guy in the 1st round.
That’s DMAC and it looks like the direction of the team won’t support his long-term success here.
Of course this is a rebuild
October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am
#1139 well said.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Too bad Mcclain wasn’t sentenced to lengthy jail time. Need to kick that fkr off this team. He’s a disgrace. We were all fools to think Al still had it when picking him. What a joke.
Let him go back to Alabama and beat up guys who talk crap about his sister with the stripper stage name.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:15 am
We MUST hit some homeruns in next years draft. The whole thing needs to be picked for defense.
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RDE
ILB
CB
CB
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October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
1143.Kirk Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am
#1139 well said.
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Agreed. Very VERY well said.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
I forget who blogged it yesterday, but it was asked how McClain (who was an SEC starter for two years and is now in his third year as an NFL starter) could so consistently misdiagnose plays.
Bottom line is we thought we were drafting Ray Lewis, but got Brian Bosworth instead: a good college linebacker on a great college defense who fooled everyone to thinking he’d be The Next Big Thing. Nope.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
I like Chase Thomas too, not sure he’s going to go in the 1st round though. But regardless, if the Raiders draft a QB in the 1st round. Will be the dumbest move, I’d rather them trade down.
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Top 3 pick, a chance to get a transcendent talent at the most essential position in football, and you pass? With the current guy on the roster being 32 years old, and not exactly a world beater?
I agree that Palmer is far from the biggest problem with this team – in fact, he’s been pretty good thus far – but if a team has a chance to get a guy they think has the type of talent that is transformative – the type of player who makes everyone around them better, the kind of QB who can put his team on his back and carry them – then they need to make that pick.
Raiders scouts have already been to two WVU games this season. Seems like they’re thinking along the same lines.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:15 am
We MUST hit some homeruns in next years draft. The whole thing needs to be picked for defense.
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Exactly!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
I always think what would our team be like now if we had chosen Calvin Johnson instead of Jamarcus Russell.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Yesterday’s game made me sick to my stomach as well….Fk’n hate the donkeys … I hate Orange and Blue… But what I hate most was watching the Raiders play like that…didn’t give anyone much to hope for the rest of the season…. But I’m gonna hope anyway… What else can I do..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Rolando is definitely a mystery at this point.
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The only mystery is how he was a first rd pick.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
1143.Kirk Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am
#1139 well said.
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Agreed. Very VERY well said.
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Thirded. Awesome post.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
MikieG Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:15 am
We MUST hit some homeruns in next years draft. The whole thing needs to be picked for defense.
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RDE
ILB
CB
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NT
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Exactly!
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I would even be willing to say, get the best defender on the board ever round.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Thec, speaking of PAC-12 MLB’s
What do you think of Micheal Clay, or Shane Skov?
October 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Rolando is definitely a mystery at this point.
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The only mystery is how he was a first rd pick.
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Everybody thought he’d be great. When the pick was announced, the Radio City Music Hall crowd BOOED. Why? Because they were hoping McClain would be on the board for the Giants a few picks later. Instead, they “settled” for JPP.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
I forget who blogged it yesterday, but it was asked how McClain (who was an SEC starter for two years and is now in his third year as an NFL starter) could so consistently misdiagnose plays.
Bottom line is we thought we were drafting Ray Lewis, but got Brian Bosworth instead: a good college linebacker on a great college defense who fooled everyone to thinking he’d be The Next Big Thing. Nope.
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Do you guys remember when McClain was a rookie and someone asked him about the difference of the speed of the SEC and the NFL and he played it off and said something like “Its a non issue, I played against plenty of fast guys in the SEC too”…..
He just doesn’t get it. Probably thinks he is doing just fine right now. What an egomaniacal moron this guy has turned out to be.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
IMAGINE the world of difference Jason Pierre-Paul would have made on this defense. That is who Al could have drafted instead of McGarbage.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
We pick top 3 you can gaurantee we have a fireside sale.
All big ticket items will go up for bid.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would be just fine if we never picked a slow talking slow thinking player from LSU ever again..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
theghostronin79 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:18 am
Thec, speaking of PAC-12 MLB’s
What do you think of Micheal Clay, or Shane Skov?
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I know it wasn’t directed at me, but pre-injury Skov looked like top 20 pick material.
If his injury causes him to fall in the draft, he’ll be a steal for whatever team gets him. He still could go as high as the 2nd round, in my opinion. A lot of CFB left, though.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
If you watch Burris in there, he might make rookie mistakes, but at least he reads and reacts. Burris pulls the trigger and attacks. McClain guesses wrong, can’t disengage blockers, and jogs in pursuit. If you’re hurt then get the hell of the field. I don’t think he’s hurt though, I think he just sucks. Send him back to Alabama and he can go balloon up with JaBustus and they can see who will win a race in squandering the money they stole from the Raiders.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
Even though I realize Slo is from Bama..I was thinking of Barks and JaMarcus…seems like they are just waiting to bust on us..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:21 am
Norco
JUST SELL, BABY
October 1st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Boss01 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am
IMAGINE the world of difference Jason Pierre-Paul would have made on this defense. That is who Al could have drafted instead of McGarbage.
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JPP (who was a one-year-wonder in college) was considered uber-risky. McClain was the “safe” pick.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
We pick top 3 you can gaurantee we have a fireside sale.
All big ticket items will go up for bid.
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There’s already been a firesale. Top 3 pick or not, TK, McClain, and Seymour are going to be gone – along with a lot of the players on one-year deals who don’t show the coaching staff what they need to see.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
JPP (who was a one-year-wonder in college) was considered uber-risky. McClain was the “safe” pick.
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Yep. Funny how that works out.
I was all for the McClain pick, though. He looked like the engine that made that ‘Bama defense run. “Field general” type of player. Whoops!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
The thing about playing backer is that you have certain keys..offensive players that you key on. If the fullback does this, you do this, if the left guard does this, then you do this, if the RB does this, then you do this and on and on it goes…bring up some tape on Ray Lewis..watch how fast he reacts to his keys..he isn’t reading the play per se’ he is reading the key and THEN diagnosing the play..
Rolando can’t even react to the only thing he is supposed to react to on time.
Burris can.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:24 am
What do you think of Micheal Clay, or Shane Skov?
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Ballerz…Pac 12 good for Lb’s that play and impact the NFL.
Both will go high, will not last past day 2.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:24 am
YoungAmerican Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am
I like Chase Thomas too, not sure he’s going to go in the 1st round though. But regardless, if the Raiders draft a QB in the 1st round. Will be the dumbest move, I’d rather them trade down.
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Top 3 pick, a chance to get a transcendent talent at the most essential position in football, and you pass? With the current guy on the roster being 32 years old, and not exactly a world beater?
I agree that Palmer is far from the biggest problem with this team – in fact, he’s been pretty good thus far – but if a team has a chance to get a guy they think has the type of talent that is transformative – the type of player who makes everyone around them better, the kind of QB who can put his team on his back and carry them – then they need to make that pick.
Raiders scouts have already been to two WVU games this season. Seems like they’re thinking along the same lines.
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We have far too many areas of concern for drafting a QB. Simple as that. No QB in the nation should be drafted. Each year a “franchise” QB comes along. I’m cool with waiting for teddy bridgwater if you want the brother, or Sean Mannion if you want the white guy. Or which ever “franchise” qb comes along between here and then. Top 3 pick should be used to acquire more picks, or snag the unquestioned best Pass Rusher or Shutdown corner.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
MikieG Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would be just fine if we never picked a slow talking slow thinking player from LSU ever again..
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stay the F away from guys that are from alabama
October 1st, 2012 at 10:26 am
It’s too damn early to be scouting College players for next years draft. Too many months away. I don’t wanna know about this stuff now. Sadly, that’s all the news that’s worth discussing.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:26 am
MLB, and ILB = Killerz.
McChesse is a wanna be gangster, a “Hoodstar”.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
Even though we need a DE, and Lb, if we pick top 3 do you take Geno Torretta?
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
We have far too many areas of concern for drafting a QB. Simple as that. No QB in the nation should be drafted. Each year a “franchise” QB comes along. I’m cool with waiting for teddy bridgwater if you want the brother, or Sean Mannion if you want the white guy. Or which ever “franchise” qb comes along between here and then. Top 3 pick should be used to acquire more picks, or snag the unquestioned best Pass Rusher or Shutdown corner.
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Can’t draft for need. Have to take the best player available.
If you draft for need and the pick busts? Not only did you not fill that need, but you didn’t get a player who can be a long-term asset for your team.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
So now the real question: What the hell is wrong with the Steelers?
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
1046.SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
So sick of hearing this waxing poetic about Hue’s grand offense.
They scored over 30 points TWICE last season. Once was a win, once was a loss.
Jackson presided over an epic collapse last season that saw them lose 4 out of 5 games. The one win was an OT victory against an abominable KC team and THAT was only a win thanks to Richard Seymour blocking not one but two field goals.
Hue’s oh-so-high-octane offense scored 14, 16, 27, 16, and 26 points in those 5 games.
The main disconnect here is that people think Hue Jackson’s 2011 Oakland Raiders were a good team. They were not. They were mediocre on their best days.
I’m willing to take a step back from mediocre to crappy for a year or two in order to jump forward to not only “good” but “consistently good.”
Hue Jackson’s Raiders were pretenders, not contenders. I want to root for a perennial contender and if that means enduring another horrible year or two, so be it. I’ve put up with it this long, I can deal with it a little more.
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I disagree. The facts are they were a defensive stop away from winning the division. I know that fact irritates people that want to discredit everything Hue, or for that matter Al..did, but it’s true.
I admit I was wrong now in regard to just being a decent DC away from taking the next step to the playoffs. I have changed my mind on that. Our D…the players…are awful.
I would be more willing (not like I have a choice i guess) of being patient while this team rebuilds IF i was more confident that the ones in charge of this “rebuild” were the right guys to get it done. How do we know in 2-3 yrs. we’ll be competitive? We don’t.
Who would I get instead of Reggie? That’s not my job to figure that out; i already have one, but in my opinion if you have any shot at all of winning NOW u take it..the future is promised to no one.
As far as any of us knows we could be WORSE than we are now in 2-3 yrs.
I don’t share the confidence in Reggie that you all do. There is no reason to.
Maybe if I saw just a little bit of improvement week to week I might have some hope, but everything just keeps getting worse around here and it’s embarrassing.
Penalties down? Who gives a red rats rip. We are the worst team in football and getting worse by the week. What guarantees do we have this will EVER get better?
That being said…hey let’s hope so. What else do we have…hope.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:26 am
It’s too damn early to be scouting College players for next years draft. Too many months away. I don’t wanna know about this stuff now. Sadly, that’s all the news that’s worth discussing.
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Never too early to scout players!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am
MikieG Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would be just fine if we never picked a slow talking slow thinking player from LSU ever again..
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stay the F away from guys that are from alabama
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Dude is just too casual about everything that is going on around him in an NFL game…its engrained in his personality. We all saw the Alabama Shootout Pic..that casual creepy smile as he is getting cuffed and stuffed..after casually shooting off a gun right next to a person’s head…after they casually lured the guy to the house…
McClain plays with the opposite of a sense of urgency..he plays with a sense of unimportance..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:30 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:24 am
What do you think of Micheal Clay, or Shane Skov?
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Ballerz…Pac 12 good for Lb’s that play and impact the NFL.
Both will go high, will not last past day 2.
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Really? I don’t think they’ll be gone by day 2. The Ducks play 1-2 good opponents in a year. Clay can not be graded out, and doubt he’ll be considered in the tops at his position. Skov I do like to, but feel the same way about him, but he is better then Clay. Casey Mathews was better then Clay at UO and was drafted in round 4, does not see the field on Sundays.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:30 am
I’m cool with waiting for teddy bridgwater if you want the brother, or Sean Mannion if you want the white guy.
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for me I dont give a F about what C he is…
As long as he can come in and make plays out the gates, and lead us to victory, out the gates I am with him.
The color stuff is for the unevolved, the NATION has only 2 colors, and you cannot get a QB in either.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:31 am
That’s absolutely right this isn’t a short term deal by any stretch. Our incompetence goes way deep and it’s gonna take some time to fix. I know a lot of us are really frustrated and upset with the leadership but the truth is this organization is going through unprecedented changes and there is no manual labeled “How to fix the Oakland Raiders and win the super bowl” so its going to be a rocky road. Only real RAIDER FANS need apply
October 1st, 2012 at 10:34 am
Casey Mathews was better then Clay at UO and was drafted in round 4, does not see the field on Sundays.
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I was not high on casey matthews however, he will be a solid backup at some point.
Clay and Skov are imporving imo. I hope one of them do last to 3rd when we pick would give us some serious options
I like both players.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:36 am
YoungAmerican Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
We have far too many areas of concern for drafting a QB. Simple as that. No QB in the nation should be drafted. Each year a “franchise” QB comes along. I’m cool with waiting for teddy bridgwater if you want the brother, or Sean Mannion if you want the white guy. Or which ever “franchise” qb comes along between here and then. Top 3 pick should be used to acquire more picks, or snag the unquestioned best Pass Rusher or Shutdown corner.
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Can’t draft for need. Have to take the best player available.
If you draft for need and the pick busts? Not only did you not fill that need, but you didn’t get a player who can be a long-term asset for your team.
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I get it bro, you have a man crush on the numbers and Geno. But winning teams do in fact draft for need. Teams that pick in the top 3 often aren’t the better for it, and end up right back in the top 5. Regardless, given our fortunes with top 5 picks, do you really even want to risk it on a Big 12 QB? I admit it’s early so I’m not sold on him, we’ll see how he does against Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, TCU, then I’ll have a better idea but even then, still NO QB! Trade down, select players, and ideally acquire starters via free agency.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Just one week earlier, before scoring their only victory of the season, new coach Dennis Allen passed out baseball bats to his players as a motivational tool. Before Sunday’s game, Allen must have passed out front door mats inscribed: WELCOME PEYTON!!
LMFAO!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
eff tge draf there are 12 more weeks of embarresment…wake up mark…
October 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Stop with the Al Davis butt-licking. It was a horrible decade or two with him, with no end in sight for a repeatingly mediocre to bad team, with wasted high draft picks.
You don’t build something over night and you whiners know that. You are simply the indulgent kind, who love to whine and groan because you are negative by nature.
Think back to last year. We were in a bad division, with not a single class team,yet still with a great chance to go to the playoffs,and_ we_ still_ couldn’t_ pull_ it_ off; that’s how bad we really were. What do you think our record would have been in a decent division? Yet, many of you mislead yourselves into thinking we were half decent.
This young coach and Reggie have the right mindset. Take care of discipline first, since it’s something a coaching staff and a team CAN control. Then, take care of personnel, when you have some money and some draft choices to work with.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not a color guy either. But in all honesty your going to get the new school dual threat with the brothers, or the old school pocket guy in most cases with the white guy. If his names not Jeff Driskel, or similar. But these guys won’t play Sunday anyways. But I say again, I’m not a racist, or grading Qb’s talent on color.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
2nd time we have played a team the just played the Texans.
Both games we were blown out.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am
I look at another team that is rebuilding. The Tampa Bucs. They at least poured $140 mill of new money into the franchise before scrapping the old coaching staff and starting over giving it to a college coach. But look at the results. They have lost 3 very winnable games to better opponents by less than a score in each game. The Raiders have one narrow win and 3 blowout losses. We have the look of a team that will give up at some point in the game. All the other team needs to do is impose their will and we wilt in the second half and go half speed jogging intensity and ultraconservative playcalls. That’s the book on us. Play hard for a half, quit then go home.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Knapp is a horrible play caller!
Our O-line is killing us!
We need to generate a pass rush!
Our secondary needs to get healthy!
Joselio Hanson is garbage! (We need Spencer back) (pat Lee in the slot)
Special teams???? Wow!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am
But winning teams do in fact draft for need.
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Packers and Giants are both BPA drafters. Super Bowl champs. Up and coming teams like the 49ers, Texans, falcons and Lions also go with the BPA strategy.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
TheBay2LA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not a color guy either. But in all honesty your going to get the new school dual threat with the brothers, or the old school pocket guy in most cases with the white guy. If his names not Jeff Driskel, or similar. But these guys won’t play Sunday anyways. But I say again, I’m not a racist, or grading Qb’s talent on color.
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I felt you the first time. you did not come off racist imo.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Think back to last year. We were in a bad division, with not a single class team,yet still with a great chance to go to the playoffs,and_ we_ still_ couldn’t_ pull_ it_ off; that’s how bad we really were. What do you think our record would have been in a decent division? Yet, many of you mislead yourselves into thinking we were half decent.
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Yup.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
1182..good take Marty
October 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
what up DMAC…..The Swinging A’s boy.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Are we being out coached in the 2nd half of games?????
October 1st, 2012 at 10:44 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
what up DMAC…..The Swinging A’s boy.
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What up Thec
Yeah, at least my A’s are playing great ball
October 1st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DMAC Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Are we being out coached in the 2nd half of games?????
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Outmanned, and outgunned
October 1st, 2012 at 10:44 am
That’s the book on us. Play hard for a half, quit then go home.
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If you ask Marty Schottenheimer, that’s been the book on the Raiders for 25 years now.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
Yeah, at least my A’s are playing great ball
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About to snatch the div from the taxens.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
I’ll be back peoples!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Do the firesale now!!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
Yeah, at least my A’s are playing great ball
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About to snatch the div from the taxens.
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Hell yeah, fk the wild card
We want the division!
October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
2nd time we have played a team the just played the Texans.
Both games we were blown out.
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Teams get better after getting blasted by the taxens.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:34 am
Casey Mathews was better then Clay at UO and was drafted in round 4, does not see the field on Sundays.
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I was not high on casey matthews however, he will be a solid backup at some point.
Clay and Skov are imporving imo. I hope one of them do last to 3rd when we pick would give us some serious options
I like both players.
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Skov I like more see him going first, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kiko Alonso goes before Clay, unless of the field stuff hurts his stock. I think there’s better value though out there to be had.
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SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:41 am
But winning teams do in fact draft for need.
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Packers and Giants are both BPA drafters. Super Bowl champs. Up and coming teams like the 49ers, Texans, falcons and Lions also go with the BPA strategy.
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All these teams are established teams from top to bottom, and can afford at times to draft BPA. However, the packers often draft Dline out of need, in fact drafted Nick Perry out of need. The RAMS, LIONS, RAIDERS, BROWNS, JAGS, BUCS, BENGALS, And so on have also drafted BPA, and it hasn’t made them any better any faster.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
I agree with whoever stated that we should draft for BPA, regardless of position. The free agency rules of the new CBA have made player movement much more fluid and it’s hard to count on any one player being the franchise guy anymore. Better to get a young player’s prime years before you eventually lose them.
If you look at the Green Bay’s and Giants roster, they have about 10 guys who are stars at their position (top 10%) and probably another 5 or so in the top 30%. The rest are all interchangeable. Just guys. The 8-8 type teams have 5 guys who are stars and another 5 or so that are top 30%. Don’t ask where the Raiders are in terms of fielding “star” players.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:47 am
DMAC Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:45 am
I’ll be back peoples!
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It has allready commenced, we were not told though.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:46 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
2nd time we have played a team the just played the Texans.
Both games we were blown out.
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Teams get better after getting blasted by the taxens.
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Teams get 4 quarters of practice against an extremely better version of our offense.
Its like trying to hit a baseball then the pitcher starts throwing beach balls.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Some interesting free agents next year:
Cliff Avril, DE
Greg Jennings, WR
Brent Grimes, CB
Some real good LT up for free agency too:
Jake Long
Duane Brown
Ryan Clady
If you sign one of those guys you could move Veldheer to RT and keep drafting for defense.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
DMAC Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Are we being out coached in the 2nd half of games?????
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We’re being outdone in all facets after the half, but yes obviously out coached as well. It was surely obvious the Donkeys went in up by 4 and made the best adjustment to drastically increase that total. While the Raiders, made no apparent adjustments, and increased the margin by 0
October 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
I agree with whoever stated that we should draft for BPA, regardless of position
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My spin was, we take the best D player on the board, in every round.
I would not spend 1 pick on the O. Unless its a JCRINER situation.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Id say we get out coached in both halves.. its just worse after the other team adjusts at halftime and we only get stupider..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Teams get 4 quarters of practice against an extremely better version of our offense.
Its like trying to hit a baseball then the pitcher starts throwing beach balls.
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ROFLMAO…Sad but true
October 1st, 2012 at 10:51 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Some interesting free agents next year:
Cliff Avril, DE
Greg Jennings, WR
Brent Grimes, CB
Some real good LT up for free agency too:
Jake Long
Duane Brown
Ryan Clady
If you sign one of those guys you could move Veldheer to RT and keep drafting for defense.
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Good FA, sure. But move Veldheer? He’s a pretty solid LT I think. Out of need, I like Grimes most, Avril second.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am
Good FA, sure. But move Veldheer? He’s a pretty solid LT I think. Out of need, I like Grimes most, Avril second.
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Oh I’m plenty happy with Veldheer, just spitballing.
I want Avril in the worst way. He’s the RDE we need. And Jennings/DMoore would make a pretty good 1-2 WR combo.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
DMAC, good point. thats one of the areas i wanted to see improvemnt form game to game is 1st half adjustments.
10-6 going into the half…WTF
October 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Trying to be glass half full, I looked forward to the second half and was glad DA deffered the first half possession. I was thinking the second half gameplan was going to be agressive with some more plays designed to take advantage of Denver’s agressiveness. Those bubble screens to Reece were working. We got away from that and tried to run the ball into the heart of the Bronco’s defense. Why are we hell bent on proving the ZBS doesn’t work and can’t work against fast swarming defenses? Delayed handoffs and misdirection should have been the recipes for the 2nd half rushing calls. But they continued to plow straight on into the brick wall. SMH
October 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
10-6 going into the half…WTF
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Denver was doing their level best to keep us in that game the 1st half. Thomas’s fumble, the bizarre decision to fake the FG, etc.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:55 am
Id bet most of those guys dont become fa’s..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am
I agree with whoever stated that we should draft for BPA, regardless of position
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My spin was, we take the best D player on the board, in every round.
I would not spend 1 pick on the O. Unless its a JCRINER situation.
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Honestly, I would probobly agree here. I mean our “need” on the D side of the ball is so great that it would make sense to draft BPA here. Hard to fail that way. But I think facing the QB’s in our division, we need to shore up the pass rush and corner position. And acquiring these positions in FA is costly, when players can be found in the draft.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Denver was doing their level best to keep us in that game the 1st half. Thomas’s fumble, the bizarre decision to fake the FG, etc.
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Yeah, they came out in the 2nd half and said F it, lets just plow em.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Delayed handoffs and misdirection should have been the recipes for the 2nd half rushing calls. But they continued to plow straight on into the brick wall. SMH
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Particularly frustrating because watching the tape of the Broncos and Texans the Donks defense was biting HARD on Houston’s misdirection plays almost every single time.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Hate to break it to you guys, but we arent signing any big FAs next year either.
Wont have the cash to. But we will dump some guys.. Cap hits still suck tho..
October 1st, 2012 at 10:57 am
1220.Marks hair Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:55 am
Id bet most of those guys dont become fa’s..
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Long is the most likely to be re-signed.
The Lions and Packers have cap issues and I’m not sure if they can retain Avril and Jennings. At least if I can believe what I read.
Dumping Kelly, RoMac, Seymour and Huff next year will free up a boatload of cash for Reggie.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:58 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Delayed handoffs and misdirection should have been the recipes for the 2nd half rushing calls. But they continued to plow straight on into the brick wall. SMH
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Particularly frustrating because watching the tape of the Broncos and Texans the Donks defense was biting HARD on Houston’s misdirection plays almost every single time.
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THE main reason Knapp’s offense has looked so bad, our inability to run the stretch, stretch PA etc…
October 1st, 2012 at 10:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Hate to break it to you guys, but we arent signing any big FAs next year either.
Wont have the cash to. But we will dump some guys.. Cap hits still suck tho..
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Concur, thats the way I see it. will need to hit some HR’s in the draft.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:58 am
Mr. instant upgrade whiffs again. This is getting ugly fast, just as some of us predicted it would. We have been called every name in the book fr pointing out what was painfully obvious since the cracked collar bone and our 6-2 start of a year ago.
This current team isnt even close to what we had before, and we are in the midst of a full blown re build.
All hold overs it appears must be swept out with few exceptions. veldheer, lil whiz, dhb and ford are keepers, every one else is on the bubble.
If we lose one or two more games without winning any i will be ready for the TP ERA (of evaluation) to begin.
So much for captain bungles leading us to the playoffs
October 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
I actually recall quite a few failed screens in the 3rd, which was a product of adjustments by the Donkeys. A few on third down. What killed me were the toss plays and stretch plays that were doomed from the start. It’s obvious the O-line cannot establish the line of scrimmage upfield, but rather 2-3 yards deep. I’m pretty sure not many RB’s could be successful here and now, minus a fluke 64 yard pop.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am
We should firesale and draft geno smith… every gm with a true franchise qb looks smart..
October 1st, 2012 at 11:00 am
guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Trying to be glass half full, I looked forward to the second half and was glad DA deffered the first half possession. I was thinking the second half gameplan was going to be agressive with some more plays designed to take advantage of Denver’s agressiveness. Those bubble screens to Reece were working. We got away from that and tried to run the ball into the heart of the Bronco’s defense. Why are we hell bent on proving the ZBS doesn’t work and can’t work against fast swarming defenses? Delayed handoffs and misdirection should have been the recipes for the 2nd half rushing calls. But they continued to plow straight on into the brick wall. SMH
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No they did not. You don not know wtf you are talking about……
-We didn’t run even one BUBBLE screen. We ran a screen…..although it wasn’t a bubble screen…
-We didn’t run straight at Denver either..instead we tried to run the Toss outside and our zone running play. We ran the ISO play 1 time for 4 yards and a counter 1 time for about 5. Goodson also ran a draw for about 10 toward the end of the game.
Your post speaks to the incompetence of this team….and you have no idea what you are talking about….perhaps you to, should start working for Reggie McKenzie?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am
shutdown Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
This young coach and Reggie have the right mindset. Take care of discipline first, since it’s something a coaching staff and a team CAN control. Then, take care of personnel, when you have some money and some draft choices to work with.
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While the jury is still out on Reggie and the coaches….you hit on something with this paragragh.
The discipline in Oakland was atrocious every freekn year until now (at least through 4 games).
The discipline will set a tone and also work as a filter to broom out those who can’t play within a system…..
You are spot on…$50MM in cap room and draft picks….plenty of opportunity to get the right guys in here.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
backstageatapuppetshow, Mr davis was a Creator.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:02 am
50 Million in cap space?
When is that? LOL
October 1st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Why did knapp call playaction all game even though we couldnt run?? Cause he is dumb..
October 1st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Geno smith and EJ manual look like they would fit in very very well in silver and black, we are going no where with the toothless tiger at the helm, but to 4-12 at the corner of bungles and miserey
October 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am
shutdown Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:39 am
This young coach and Reggie have the right mindset. Take care of discipline first, since it’s something a coaching staff and a team CAN control. Then, take care of personnel, when you have some money and some draft choices to work with.
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While the jury is still out on Reggie and the coaches….you hit on something with this paragragh.
The discipline in Oakland was atrocious every freekn year until now (at least through 4 games).
The discipline will set a tone and also work as a filter to broom out those who can’t play within a system…..
You are spot on…$50MM in cap room and draft picks….plenty of opportunity to get the right guys in here.
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Bullchit’
Discipline is one thing….winning games is another….and while committing turnovers is huge in losses…..not committing them has almost no correlation to winning games…..
Especially when our coaching staff makes the kind of mistakes we committed yesterday!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Geno Smith, that game this weekend was like a video game.
not reality
October 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
Marks hair Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Why did knapp call playaction all game even though we couldnt run?? Cause he is dumb..
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Because the offense is built off the run.
80-90% of the plays are built off the run.
Makes it even worse that we cant run.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
post 1231. You are trying to be argumentative about some specific plays late in the game when it was out of reach. I’m talking about when the game was still in doubt. The play calls where we ran iso only put into a 3rd and short but still a passing down. We didnt have that kind of success on early downs. Playcalling was the issue. They read us like a book.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
I see dumbassfoshizzlerizzle is up to his old self alienating the entire Nation on the blog.
I swear dude, the best part of you ran down your mother’s crack.
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oakfoshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
#1026 Let me educate you son. 21st century NFL is about winning. Reggie is complete loser. It doesnt even take 4 games to figure that out. This blog. lol.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
You guys do realize that we would be getting more production from Quentin Groves than Mcclain, right? At a fraction of the cost too!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
So much for captain bungles leading us to the playoffs
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your not seriously blaming this on cp are you?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:08 am
riderm Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:07 am
You guys do realize that we would be getting more production from Quentin Groves than Mcclain, right? At a fraction of the cost too!
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lol…Sad but true…This is like ripleys, beleive it or not.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:09 am
Heard on the radio this morning that WVU QB Geno Smith has more TD’s on the season (20) as he does incompletions (18). That’s an amazing statistic.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:09 am
I am out guys…ALL of you enjoy this day.
1 NATION, the only NATION in the history of sports.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:10 am
later Thec
October 1st, 2012 at 11:11 am
guest123 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
post 1231. You are trying to be argumentative about some specific plays late in the game when it was out of reach. I’m talking about when the game was still in doubt. The play calls where we ran iso only put into a 3rd and short but still a passing down. We didnt have that kind of success on early downs. Playcalling was the issue. They read us like a book.
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Again, you are incorrect. And no, I’m not arguing with you my friend, that would imply that either one of us could be correct….which is not the case…..
I am correct…..and you are incorrect.
I do agree with you regarding the play calling being an issue…..but we did not run A or B Gap (inside) plays other than those I mentioned above…..and your last post neglected to bring up the Bubble Screen…
Would you like to share with the class what a bubble screen is?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Seymour = $14MM
Kelly = $9MM
Wimbley = $10MM – dead money (1 yr into 5yr $48MM contract)
Routt = $10MM – dead money (1yr into 5yr $55MM contract)
Huff, McClain, Barnes, Beisel….that’s gotta be another $5mm or more.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am
And it was post 1232….
October 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
Throw away the season. Draft geno smith… quit wasting my time
October 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Seymour = $14MM
Kelly = $9MM
Wimbley = $10MM – dead money (1 yr into 5yr $48MM contract)
Routt = $10MM – dead money (1yr into 5yr $55MM contract)
Huff, McClain, Barnes, Beisel….that’s gotta be another $5mm or more.
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What are you trying to say here?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
I see all of the Alameda Office is quiet this morning…..
What happened?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
how did we beat pitt with this team?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
Discipline is one thing….winning games is another….and while committing turnovers is huge in losses…..not committing them has almost no correlation to winning games…..
Especially when our coaching staff makes the kind of mistakes we committed yesterday!
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Great teams don’t lead the league in penalties…especially the dumb kind that hurt the Raiders in the past.
Winning takes discipline, talent and coaching.
Right now, it appears 1 out of 3 is under control.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
how did we beat pitt with this team?
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Audibles by our Quarterback
October 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Seymour = $14MM
Kelly = $9MM
Wimbley = $10MM – dead money (1 yr into 5yr $48MM contract)
Routt = $10MM – dead money (1yr into 5yr $55MM contract)
Huff, McClain, Barnes, Beisel….that’s gotta be another $5mm or more.
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What are you trying to say here?
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That these guys will be put on the road come offseason….and the money we were paying them will be FREE for other more productive players and draft picks
October 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Yeah. I am honestly hoping he goes to jail soon just to get rid of the guy.
You don’t even have to watch the games closely to realize he is a complete waste…of everything.
McClain..please just go away.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Can we cut Hanson already!
I rather play w/ one less man on the field.
Hopefully Spencer comes back after the bye.
Move Pat Lee to the slot.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:04 am
Discipline is one thing….winning games is another….and while committing turnovers is huge in losses…..not committing them has almost no correlation to winning games…..
Especially when our coaching staff makes the kind of mistakes we committed yesterday!
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Great teams don’t lead the league in penalties…especially the dumb kind that hurt the Raiders in the past.
Winning takes discipline, talent and coaching.
Right now, it appears 1 out of 3 is under control.
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I’ll agree to some of that….but we also have “some” great talent as well….
October 1st, 2012 at 11:18 am
Romac is back to jogging and looking horrible.
What happen to that 1st game magic?????
October 1st, 2012 at 11:18 am
…and Reggie gave that big contract to Branch why????
October 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Seymour = $14MM
Kelly = $9MM
Wimbley = $10MM – dead money (1 yr into 5yr $48MM contract)
Routt = $10MM – dead money (1yr into 5yr $55MM contract)
Huff, McClain, Barnes, Beisel….that’s gotta be another $5mm or more.
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What are you trying to say here?
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That these guys will be put on the road come offseason….and the money we were paying them will be FREE for other more productive players and draft picks
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Cap hits.
There are still cap excellerators. We dont have much $ next off-season. Sorry.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Reality has kicked in……….
Branch is a great tackler and that is it.
He raped Reggie w/ that contract.
Boy was I wrong on him.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:21 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:18 am
…and Reggie gave that big contract to Branch why????
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Wasnt “Big”, and Branch has been all over the field trying to make up for the lack of anyone else in the secondary.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:21 am
1259.DMAC Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
Can we cut Hanson already!
I rather play w/ one less man on the field.
Hopefully Spencer comes back after the bye.
Move Pat Lee to the slot.
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Someone made the point that one of the reasons our penalties are down is because our guys aren’t even getting close enough to the receivers so that they call anything on ‘em. It’s true.
Some of that HAS to be on the coaching. How come Huff has to get a call from a guy from another team in order to know that he’s playing too far off the ball?
Shouldn’t that be something Tarver says to him?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
Again, I say ready the ax handle, boil the tar, gather the feathers.
Reggie is first up to be run out of town, then freakish spawn toad Mark, followed by the DA, Tarver, the entire defense except Wheeler, and whatever slouching check cashers still remain in the offensive.
Let’s do it and do it soon.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
1238.Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Geno Smith, that game this weekend was like a video game.
not reality
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Would just like to point out I was on the Geno Smith bandwagon well before that Baylor game.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
Dumb waste of time
October 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
its all the little things that add up to being a loser. It started with hiring greg Knapp, than having an unproductive 3rd round pick, not drafting a cb, in a deep fa agent market for cbs, reggie decides on spending money on huff and branch and signing bartell who hasnt had an int since 2008 and spencer who is a career 3rd down cb,its spending big bucks on a offensive lineman who is struggling, its seeing ford and dmoore go down in pre season and bringing in hagen instead of plax, its not having a backup LS which mostly is DAs fault, its not having an edge rusher and then it takes him 3 workouts and weeks to pass before signing carter..Reggie gets so much support in here and Ive yet to see any results except maybe burris. Our secondary may break the 1961 record by the houston oilers for inept secondary’s with respect to interceptions. Not one of the items listed above if changed would make us 3-1 instead of 1-3, but when you add up Reggie’s body of work its cause for concern. The reggie supporters still cling to its Al’s fault, or Madden and Wolf recommended him, or he worked for gb. To me Ill give him credit for drafting burris and giving up nothing for goodson. in addition to building the best gb reject practice squad.Other than that, anyone could have cut routt and wimbley, the key is how you replaced them. Don’t worry reggie lovers, he will still be here for years, thats not my point. Its this confidence you have in a guy whose done nothing impressive so far that is baffling to me.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:23 am
more cheapness…more salary cap krap…reggiebring out als calculator he always made it work….
October 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am
1268. Me too but i have to admit i heard of geno smith from mistic during week 1.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:25 am
2 crucial plays yesterday….
The dropped INT by Pat Lee.
The blocked punt.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Does this work?
Keep Wheeler at Linebacker, bring back Aaron Curry once he’s healthy (next season), stick with Burris and say goodbye to Mcclain.
Your linebackers are: Curry, Wheeler and Burris. Works for me.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:27 am
riderm Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Does this work?
Keep Wheeler at Linebacker, bring back Aaron Curry once he’s healthy (next season), stick with Burris and say goodbye to Mcclain.
Your linebackers are: Curry, Wheeler and Burris. Works for me.
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Who mas the middle?
Burris?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Curry at MLB might happen THIS season.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Reggie needs to resign Wheeler before its 2 late.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:29 am
nyraider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
its all the little things that add up to being a loser. It started with hiring greg Knapp, than having an unproductive 3rd round pick, not drafting a cb, in a deep fa agent market for cbs, reggie decides on spending money on huff and branch and signing bartell who hasnt had an int since 2008 and spencer who is a career 3rd down cb,its spending big bucks on a offensive lineman who is struggling, its seeing ford and dmoore go down in pre season and bringing in hagen instead of plax, its not having a backup LS which mostly is DAs fault, its not having an edge rusher and then it takes him 3 workouts and weeks to pass before signing carter..Reggie gets so much support in here and Ive yet to see any results except maybe burris. Our secondary may break the 1961 record by the houston oilers for inept secondary’s with respect to interceptions. Not one of the items listed above if changed would make us 3-1 instead of 1-3, but when you add up Reggie’s body of work its cause for concern. The reggie supporters still cling to its Al’s fault, or Madden and Wolf recommended him, or he worked for gb. To me Ill give him credit for drafting burris and giving up nothing for goodson. in addition to building the best gb reject practice squad.Other than that, anyone could have cut routt and wimbley, the key is how you replaced them. Don’t worry reggie lovers, he will still be here for years, thats not my point. Its this confidence you have in a guy whose done nothing impressive so far that is baffling to me.
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Good Post….
However…RM will not be here for years….more like months…the Burris signing was good…but the nickle position is a greater need against the teams with a string QB…..yesterday Burris might have got 10 snaps all game…..and your post forgot to mention Wheeler….arguably our best play on D this season thusfar!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:29 am
Burris in the middle? No way.
Worth giving Curry a shot when he gets back. Easier to keep the play in front of you as a MLB and that’s where he excels
October 1st, 2012 at 11:32 am
glad everybody is finally ready to embrace what i said last year,
We need to draft geno smith (or ej manual) in 2013.
i have been touting geno in here for the last 3 years and he is clearly the best qb in college, manua is right behind him.
One of these two will be on the board when we pick and, if it pryor is not the guy we need one of them in the worst way.
If we lose to the falcons, pull the plug on palmer. He has not delivered on the hype he rode in on, or the ridiculous praise he received on this blog.
So far the trade is a major bust, and davis is rolling over in his silver and black casket
October 1st, 2012 at 11:32 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:23 am
more cheapness…more salary cap krap…reggiebring out als calculator he always made it work….
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I respected Al Davis. But his rosters the last few years were left full of holes.
Faith placed in players that didn’t deserve it….
Overpaid veterans who disrespected the money and trust Al gave him…overpaid vets that ARE NOT leaders on the field……players that DONT make plays.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:33 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:32 am
glad everybody is finally ready to embrace what i said last year,
We need to draft geno smith (or ej manual) in 2013.
i have been touting geno in here for the last 3 years and he is clearly the best qb in college, manua is right behind him.
One of these two will be on the board when we pick and, if it pryor is not the guy we need one of them in the worst way.
If we lose to the falcons, pull the plug on palmer. He has not delivered on the hype he rode in on, or the ridiculous praise he received on this blog.
So far the trade is a major bust, and davis is rolling over in his silver and black casket
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Trade was bad because it was assumed that would be the difference between a Super Bowl run.
Unfortunate that Hue had all the power for that brief run….a stupid decision to be sure.
Could have had Carson for a 2nd rounder TOPS!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
I just saw a pic of Carson Palmer after the game. I can’t believe how different his body language is compared to DA. I hoped a good nights sleep would make me a little less upset but I still think that DA’s pic of having a good time with John Fox is pathetic.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
The defense sucks… a lame bend but dont break soft zone is about all we can do.. just no talent.. but the offense and special teams is all coaching and scheme
October 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
BEEECH DIGGITY DAWG HOWL RUFF RUFF GRRRRR
Brahs, no worries on the Silver & Black attack, dang
We’ll get this thing straightened out in the next 20 years or so, holla
In the meantime, get high on killer weed, mix up a few ultimate margaritas and get ready for Laker Media Day
Yo, the Purple N Gold homies be straight THROWIN’ IT DOWN today in El Segundo, whut whut
Dwight shooting to play in the opener, you know dat boy gots to get 2 ballin’
Sat night, UCLA @ Cal, epic Pac 12 jammy jam. I’ll be rockin’ the Reggae Party Boat in my Bruin baby blues, with – of course – a nice cut out in the crotch for them ladies to busy themselves
Nothing like 2 tickets to paradise
SO CAL REPRESENT MO FAST N MO FURIOUS
October 1st, 2012 at 11:36 am
DMAC Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:27 am
riderm Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Does this work?
Keep Wheeler at Linebacker, bring back Aaron Curry once he’s healthy (next season), stick with Burris and say goodbye to Mcclain.
Your linebackers are: Curry, Wheeler and Burris. Works for me.
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Who mas the middle?
Burris?
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Probably Curry.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:36 am
Go Cal Bears!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Is it time to give microphone Chekwa a call?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am
i know al wouldnt settle for this krapp on the field….
October 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Yup, its almost showtime
October 1st, 2012 at 11:40 am
Marks hair Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
The defense sucks… a lame bend but dont break soft zone is about all we can do.. just no talent.. but the offense and special teams is all coaching and scheme
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The bend but don’t break is obvious.
But those corners can’t play on an island.
Checkwa must be pretty bad
October 1st, 2012 at 11:40 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am
i know al wouldnt settle for this krapp on the field….
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One could argue that was an issue too.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Bring back Chris Johnson????
October 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
The lack of even one decent corner or passrusher is just crazy… new era i guess
October 1st, 2012 at 11:42 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
Hate to break it to you guys, but we arent signing any big FAs next year either.
Wont have the cash to. But we will dump some guys.. Cap hits still suck tho..
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Kinda like saying ” Hate to break it to you guys, we will be a below .500 team next year too!”
I guess it’s part of the rebuilding process.
Someone made a quote last season somewhere along the lines of “blow it up and start over!” and the more I look at things, it’s beginning to look like that!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
For the good of team we need to evaluate tp for the rest of the yr…
October 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
I’d say Curry would man the middle. He’s got a motor. Guy also seems to play with heart and engery, like Wheeler. And unlike, Mcclain.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:45 am
Dennis Allen is to the Raiders what Josh McDaniels was to the Broncos.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:46 am
1296.Marks hair Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
For the good of team we need to evaluate tp for the rest of the yr…
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If (when) we lose to Atlanta, I’m going to start saying it’s TP6 time. No offense to Carson, since this sch!t ain’t his fault, but we need to see what we have there.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:46 am
riderm Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
I’d say Curry would man the middle. He’s got a motor. Guy also seems to play with heart and engery, like Wheeler. And unlike, Mcclain.
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True
October 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am
Allen laughing after the game? What a punk! Head coach in the NFL after getting his and his team’s ass handed to them, and he can laugh about it? The Pitt win was a fluke when the biggest division rival embarasses you the following Sunday! I saw a team who fu**in quit at halftime…again! No leaders just followers collecting paychecks! Where is the leadership and commitment? Time for a colonoscopy!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am
DT42 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:45 am
Dennis Allen is to the Raiders what Josh McDaniels was to the Broncos.
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Ouch
That one hurts, but might be true
October 1st, 2012 at 11:48 am
Yo, the Mighty Bruins of Westwood be bringing that BEEECH DAWG SWAG into Memorial Stadium, got that national #25 ranking on our backs, hip hop holla
Can’t stop the Westwood Robocops (patent pending on that sweet phrase) Hundley & Franklin
Yo, it’s best to just give them boys the yards they need, thank em and get back chemistry class
BUNSON BURNERS IN THE HOUSE
October 1st, 2012 at 11:50 am
Who watched the game on film again?
Who was the weakest link on our O-line? (everyone)
October 1st, 2012 at 11:51 am
Code Colonoscopy!!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Code b!tch slapped!!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Code no heart!!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am
It is time for all of the palmer apologist to come in here and admit that he is not and never was the answer here.
Monty poole, corkran and mcdonald, as well as all of these posters that claimed he was our ticket to winning football need to man up.
palmer is 5-9 as a starter and has one measly division win.
he has been pedestrian at best, bench him now.
he is looking more and more like jay cutler with his antics after every mind numbing loss.
Yes the interceptions are coming, book it. why because he will be getting desperate and start forcing the ball. especially if he is starring at 1-5 or 1-6.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Code losers!!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:53 am
I just dont wanna stunt tp or geno with knapps coaching…. fire that dip
October 1st, 2012 at 11:54 am
Code Knapp sacked!!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:54 am
Code regressors!!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:56 am
Code Knappy snappy!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:56 am
Code firesale! 12 coaches for a dollar
October 1st, 2012 at 11:57 am
Marks hair Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:56 am
Code firesale! 12 coaches for a dollar
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I’ll take em’ all for 12cents
October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.
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Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot. Not his fault if DMac and the line can’t generate any rushing attack.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Yo Blog Brahs, instead of breaking out the old game tape, get your swerve on and go rent Cabin in the Woods
Hella dope flick, got all baked, got some Papa Johns in the hizzy and got cuddly on the beanbags with the lovely Beeeeech Dawgettes
Only 1 of them didn’t pee their g-strings in fear, word
You KNOW that was the hizzy who got ride the Beeech Lawg
HOMIE AIN’T DOWN WITH THEM WET DRAWERS, HOLLA
October 1st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Or all the coaches and a scragly cheerleader for an pound of crab meat
October 1st, 2012 at 12:01 pm
It’s very obvious that you suck in this league, when Tom Cable has to take over the play calling duties during the season.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Clearly it’s been coaching.
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Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DMAC Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Are we being out coached in the 2nd half of games?????
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Outmanned, and outgunned
October 1st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
10-6 going into the half…WTF
“Done for the Day” attitude in the 2nd half! Hope Rolando picked up some tips from Von Miller as he schooled our O-line. Can’t score a TD against the Donkos? This is embarassing that could turn out to be an embrassing season!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Ill sell knapp and hoffman for a cigarette
October 1st, 2012 at 12:03 pm
CODE KNAPP !
October 1st, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I had DA’s back, when he was hired, but its was an absolute joke to bring in Knapp. He fked up big time w/ that move and it very well may cost him his job at the end of the season.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Hey Roger
Do us all a favor already and suspend Romac for the entire season!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:05 pm
whats good Nation. just wanted to chime in on the draft convo imo if clowney leaves SCarolina I think we should do whatever it takes to land that kid even if it means GIVING UP draft pickshe is the next JPEPPERS no doubt and we all know a great pass rusher only comes around every few years also a pass rusher makes your dbs job easier. If clowney comes out and we have a top 5 pick and it seems we will we must get clowney at all cost.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Code Gotta Pair?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Code Zoned Out!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Can we start the torch with knapps head next time?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I’m as miffed as anyone on this forum about the loss to the Donk’s but asking for DA/RM/GK heads is a joke. We are re-building. Get used to it. I’d rather go 5-11 than another 8-8 under Hugh Jackson. This team WILL move forward under the present regime and things will improve. I am looking forward to the Atlanta game.
Go Raiders!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:52 am
It is time for all of the palmer apologist to come in here and admit that he is not and never was the answer here.
Monty poole, corkran and mcdonald, as well as all of these posters that claimed he was our ticket to winning football need to man up.
palmer is 5-9 as a starter and has one measly division win.
he has been pedestrian at best, bench him now.
he is looking more and more like jay cutler with his antics after every mind numbing loss.
Yes the interceptions are coming, book it. why because he will be getting desperate and start forcing the ball. especially if he is starring at 1-5 or 1-6.
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Get off your soapbox. Pakmer was the one bright spot that we had. He had NOTHING to do with yesterday’s debacle. That was coaching and O-line. Palmer has been the company man, not badmouthing what he knows must be a crappy system and coordinator. He’s done everything he could to make it work.
You often have some very valid observations but when you get on your CP3 is the problem bandwagon, your credibility goes out the window. We get it that you don’t like Palmer. We get it that you don’t like the way JCampbell was treated. I haven’t gone into the race issue but you already know what many on this blog think about you regarding this issue. So, please move on to other topics related to the Raiders other than Palmer. He’s simply NOT the problem. Get over it, he’s the QB for the next couple of years.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot. Not his fault if DMac and the line can’t generate any rushing attack.
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Yes he has been excellent on 3rd downs ! (SARCASM)
October 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Can reg still play mlb? Couldnt be any slower
October 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Code 4-12 !
October 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Code fired!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Code Dummies!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
for me they lost the game when they didn’t go for it on 4th down(again)in 2nd half. steelers Tomlin didn’t hesitate one sec to go for it against us. Running game is a mind set. If you don’t believe in your team, then you’re going to lose.
GO FOR IT NEXT TIME!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
CODE incompetence!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Knapp reminds me of this guy i use to work with, was into the whole “pachco” subculture. Knapp combs his hair back and is very flamboyant uses words like “bud”. Must of watched too much Outsides growing up.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Knapp will have to go if this offense continues doing what its doing.
But they will only replace him with another WCO guy.
That’s their worldview.
Still need a LG, RG and RT….lot of positions to change over given that the Raiders need 9 to 10 new players on defense
October 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
CODE TAKE IT IN THE POOPER
October 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Can we clone another 10 Phillip Wheelers?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Reggie is changing the roster. We have to give him time, it doesn’t happen over night.
The problem is the coaches are in over their heads. They aren’t getting the job done with the players they have. They should have known that they didn’t have the players for zone blocking and waited until they did before making a change. The offense was good last year.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Jerry McDonald just posted grades for yesterday’s fiasco and under Coaching stated: “Sorry, but can’t agree with Dennis Allen’s “compete until the end” stance with Carson Palmer. He needed the hook for his health.”
Can’t agree more, but what ever gave Allen the idea that he had ever started competing? Poor effort all the way around.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Code Knapptastic!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Gotta run
Ill b back
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Are we being out coached in the 2nd half of games?????
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isnt this what was said of huejax??? but like huejax DA is a rookie HC who deserves another shot like hue did with a new DC DA deserves another shot with a new OC.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
This team WILL move forward under the present regime and things will improve.
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got some stock tips for me?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:16 pm
I have seen less happy coaches right after winning the SB than DA’s ear to ear grin following that horrific and historic loss.
We all have.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Can we clone another 10 Phillip Wheelers?
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Can wheeler call Offensive plays ????
October 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
1349.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
This team WILL move forward under the present regime and things will improve.
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got some stock tips for me?
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Yeah, based on what?
Cuz they can’t get any worse?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Wow,…Plunkethead is the leader in the clubhouse,..I like it alot…nice job bro,…JUST SELL, BABY…see if anyone can top it for the row 5 pair.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
We might have the worst offense and defense in football
October 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Can Wheeler play corner?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.
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Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot.
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Not sure I would call carson a bright spot, he was good against pitt, but average or worse in the 3 other games. He has been decent over all but it isnt what we were promised.
We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.
None of it has happened, and this team stinks on wheels.
besides the trade meant no high draft picks and if you havnt noticed we need help in every position.
palmers lack of elite production and the cost of of lost picks means that carson is part of the blame, a major part at that.
The man has a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).
Im afraid the plamer deal is flat out awful in review, like i warned it would be before it even happened.
My personal feelings do not in any way influence the cold hard facts and numbers, those are earned on the field. What i posted is the truth
October 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I have seen less happy coaches right after winning the SB than DA’s ear to ear grin following that horrific and historic loss.
We all have.
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I think DA is a double agent working for the Broncos ORG. He came to the Raiders to screw us over and make life easier for Manning and big teeth . He wants us to suck BIG TIME ! You know this be true …
October 1st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@1356. BUT he’s ELITE though …
October 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
So glad riffs out today.. i dont wanna read anymore of his nonsense today…
Code worse by the day
October 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Raider Ren Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I think DA is a double agent working for the Broncos ORG. He came to the Raiders to screw us over and make life easier for Manning and big teeth . He wants us to suck BIG TIME ! You know this be true …
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Riiiight. Must be something in the water today…
October 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
For the good of team we need to evaluate tp for the rest of the yr…
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He’d be getting sacked left, right, and center….AND completing less passes than Carson. The only thing he could possibly bring is his escapability, extending the play, and running. Bringing him in now would almost surley destroy him. Our O-Line is FILTH.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
CODE suicidal …
October 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.
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Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot.
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Not sure I would call carson a bright spot, he was good against pitt, but average or worse in the 3 other games. He has been decent over all but it isnt what we were promised.
We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.
None of it has happened, and this team stinks on wheels.
besides the trade meant no high draft picks and if you havnt noticed we need help in every position.
palmers lack of elite production and the cost of of lost picks means that carson is part of the blame, a major part at that.
The man has a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).
Im afraid the plamer deal is flat out awful in review, like i warned it would be before it even happened.
My personal feelings do not in any way influence the cold hard facts and numbers, those are earned on the field. What i posted is the truth
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I do know one thing, when Palmer threw the bone-headed INT yesterday in the 3rd quarter, the wheels came completely off, which caused us to lose the game.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
CODE Dingleberries
October 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
He’d be getting sacked left, right, and center….AND completing less passes than Carson. The only thing he could possibly bring is his escapability, extending the play, and running. Bringing him in now would almost surley destroy him. Our O-Line is FILTH.
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If our Oline sux , should’nt we put in a guy who is fast and mobile and who can extend play’s LIKE TP ??? Or is the statue known as CP3 better suited???
October 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
That pick caused us to lose the game? LOL..
October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Gotta play Pryor though.
Gotta see what Pryor + Bergstrom can do.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
For the good of team we need to evaluate tp for the rest of the yr…
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He’d be getting sacked left, right, and center….AND completing less passes than Carson. The only thing he could possibly bring is his escapability, extending the play, and running. Bringing him in now would almost surley destroy him. Our O-Line is FILTH.
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Im not so sure about that, TP6 posted better numbers in the pre season than both lienart and palmer and it wasnt close.
I think he is far better suited fro this offense than palmer is, and may provide a spark or at least a reason to watch the games.
Also TP6 on the boot leg fake would finally open up rushing lanes on that stretch play for dmac, instead fo having the defders sell out to the run and tackle dmac for a loss every time.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
CP rules, and you just can’t see it any other way. It’s the rest of the team that sux
October 1st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders allow scores on 52.2% of drives compared to 35.6% last season
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Yikes!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Paranoia may destroy ya
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Raider Ren Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I think DA is a double agent working for the Broncos ORG. He came to the Raiders to screw us over and make life easier for Manning and big teeth . He wants us to suck BIG TIME ! You know this be true …
October 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
1367.DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Gotta play Pryor though.
Gotta see what Pryor + Bergstrom can do.
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100% this.
I don’t want Pryor thrown to the wolves against Atlanta. But a home game against a bad Jacksonville team? That’d be the perfect situation.
Lose to Atlanta and it MUST be Pryor time.
Of course it won’t be, but I’ll still keep beating that drum
October 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Funny but the palmer apologist are no where to be found. he sucked yesterday
October 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Also TP6 on the boot leg fake would finally open up rushing lanes on that stretch play for dmac, instead fo having the defders sell out to the run and tackle dmac for a loss every time.
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YUP
October 1st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Karim Miller @PSN_PantherX
It’s still early. I think Raiders can beat Atlanta. Then the only game that looks tough is Baltimore. Then schedule is very winnable.
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Definitely drunk on Kool Aid, this guy.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Im going on record saying that McFadden is still not recovered from injury either.
Dont know if its the foot of turf toe, but I think he is still hurt. But playing thru it.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Our o-line coaching stinks. And for anybody dragging up zone vs. angle blocking, remember that there’s only a difference between those two schemes IN THE RUNNING GAME. Pass-blocking is the same in both systems.
Again, the problem is Frank Pollack. BRING ALEX GIBBS IN NOW! Alternatively, bring Wylie in to teach pass-blocking.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
CP rules, and you just can’t see it any other way. It’s the rest of the team that sux
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but what about this?
a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).
October 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
nipp sees TP as no value….Same with Taiwan jones.
h ejust now figured out reece. nipp is a slow learner.
Semi’s > nipp
October 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.
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Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot.
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Not sure I would call carson a bright spot, he was good against pitt, but average or worse in the 3 other games. He has been decent over all but it isnt what we were promised.
We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.
None of it has happened, and this team stinks on wheels.
besides the trade meant no high draft picks and if you havnt noticed we need help in every position.
palmers lack of elite production and the cost of of lost picks means that carson is part of the blame, a major part at that.
The man has a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).
Im afraid the plamer deal is flat out awful in review, like i warned it would be before it even happened.
My personal feelings do not in any way influence the cold hard facts and numbers, those are earned on the field. What i posted is the truth
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You are a CP3 hater PERIOD he could take us to the SB and you would still hate. guess you havent noticed the crappy pass protection he has been getting and he is still making plays like that throw to Dmoore down the sideline under pressure. elite qb throw not to mention he in asystem that doesnt fit him but you carry on Mistic everyone can see your dilusional when it comes to CP3.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Ominous sign? Raiders lost first game after bye week each of the past nine seasons. This year, they get the undefeated Falcons on the road.
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Yep, definitely looking at 1-4.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Im glad that Palmer is here… Look at the D, very few have played better than a D in the three defeats…some get an F…in my view, ALL draft picks should be on defense…If we took a poll in here,ZBS vs Power Blocking,which would win?… DAs smile concerning?…I wouldnt smile like that after a loss… jmo
October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.
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Yeah, we were made promises by Hue “Flim Flam” Jackson, a straight up con man.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Can you use Taiwan Jones at all?
bubble screen to Taiwan jones?
End around Taiwan Jones????
TP, can he not be used in any formation?
TP > kapernicus…and yet we do not even dress him?
this is a crime of ignorance, as performed by the org.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
If we are truly rebuilding and reggie is sold on Knapp long term then CP3 shouldnt be our qb. CP3 throws a nice long ball, but his 3rd down results havent been great. Yes our Oline has not played well but 7 sacks in 4 games isnt horrible. However, 14-51 on 3rd down is unacceptable for someone earning 12 mil a year. I personally dont see CP as a fit with Knapp’s system. in fact the Qb who is best suited to escape pressure and can run on 3rd down is TP.
Its interesting when I turn the channels there are so many young QBs out there competing. Yet many in here feel like putting TP out there is career suicide. However, its ok for streater to do virtually nothing in 4 games except fumble away our first possession as a rookie. I felt at the beginning of the season we should be 4-4. if we are 2-6 then we should see what we have in TP if anything. many of you are talking about drafting a QB next year anyway. Id like to see what TP can and cant do . if we are 4-4, then we are in the playoff race, anything less, lets see what TP is about.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Again, the problem is Frank Pollack. BRING ALEX GIBBS IN NOW! Alternatively, bring Wylie in to teach pass-blocking.
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Isn’t Seattle’s o-line coach pretty good at the ZBS? Wonder if he could be hired away
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
TheBay2LA Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:36 am
YoungAmerican Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
We have far too many areas of concern for drafting a QB. Simple as that. No QB in the nation should be drafted. Each year a “franchise” QB comes along. I’m cool with waiting for teddy bridgwater if you want the brother, or Sean Mannion if you want the white guy. Or which ever “franchise” qb comes along between here and then. Top 3 pick should be used to acquire more picks, or snag the unquestioned best Pass Rusher or Shutdown corner.
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Can’t draft for need. Have to take the best player available.
If you draft for need and the pick busts? Not only did you not fill that need, but you didn’t get a player who can be a long-term asset for your team.
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I get it bro, you have a man crush on the numbers and Geno. But winning teams do in fact draft for need. Teams that pick in the top 3 often aren’t the better for it, and end up right back in the top 5. Regardless, given our fortunes with top 5 picks, do you really even want to risk it on a Big 12 QB? I admit it’s early so I’m not sold on him, we’ll see how he does against Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, TCU, then I’ll have a better idea but even then, still NO QB! Trade down, select players, and ideally acquire starters via free agency.
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Nothing about the numbers, although those numbers are exactly what you’d expect a top prospect to put up against lesser competition. It has everything to do with his short and intermediate accuracy, his solid footwork and mobility inside the pocket, his ability and willingness to take hits in order to deliver the ball, and his ability to fit the ball into tight windows. Those are the things that have, thus far, made Geno Smith the best player in college football. Of course the evaluation process isn’t over – teams will want to see what he can do against top defenses – but if he keeps performing the way he has been, then he’ll very possibly be the first player picked in the draft, and certainly won’t fall out of the top 3.
What do you mean “our fortunes with Top 5 picks”? It’s a completely new regime. The Raiders’ draft history has nothing to do with it. It’s a shame that many Raiders fans have been conditioned to fear the draft, because that’s how you improve your team, and set them up for long-term success. This isn’t the NBA – you can’t just go out and buy a bunch of big-name players in free agency and just expect to win. If that was the case the Eagles would have gone the distance last season, and the Buccaneers would be dominating this season.
Teams DO draft for need – but mostly you see that out of teams who are perennial basement-dwellers. When the Giants picked Pierre-Paul, did they need a DE? Nope. They had Tuck and Osi. But they took the best player on the board, and it paid off. That’s how good teams stay good – by filling their roster with good players, not by saying “we need X, so we’re drafting X no matter what”. They only time it makes sense to draft for need is when your team has virtually every other position set for years. Few teams ever find themselves in that position, and the Raiders are certainly not in that position.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Cannot justify Leinart dressing over Palmer.
Were screwed WITH Palmer in.
Whats the comfort of having Leinart come in incase of injury??
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Watching highlights of 49ers game, why cant we do with Pryor what they did with Colin Kaepernick?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Had not last years team had injuries we would have DOMINATED the AFC west in spite of the DCO.
This team cannot get off the ground even with DMAC.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I was super excited we got TP. AND, I’d love for him to be our guy. I just want to set him up for success. He hasn’t been getting the reps in practice. Had a good game against Detroit, then got slapped by the Cardinals D, and brought back to earth by Seahawk D.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders 31st in total penalties but since 08 team is 13-13 with 10+ in game and 6-11 with 5 or fewer
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Bring the penalties back!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Watching highlights of 49ers game, why cant we do with Pryor what they did with Colin Kaepernick?
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A very good question.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!
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and its on the road we may lose by 50!!!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
1385.DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!
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Their defense is also allowing just 19 points a game and they lead the league in forced fumbles and are 2nd in INTs.
Gonna get real ugly real quick.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Cp3 is fine but he will be 38 by the time we contend.. its tp or geno… time to evaluate
October 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!
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Don’t forget about Michael Turner and Tony Gonzalez. Atlanta could put up 60 on us if they wanted to.
Falcons 45
Raiders 20
October 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
MikieG Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would be just fine if we never picked a slow talking slow thinking player from LSU ever again..
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The SEC is arguably the best conference in football and sends the most guys to th NFL. How in the hell did we get the 2 stupidest players to end up being the busts they are.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
“RaiderDuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Watching highlights of 49ers game, why cant we do with Pryor what they did with Colin Kaepernick?
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A very good question.”
Because we are still learning a crappy offense why do something cool unique and productive?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Whats worse, having a healthy DMAC who isn’t producing in the zone blocking scheme or having an injured DMAC on the sidelines who was killing it before getting injured?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
team is going to fight against ATL, would not be surpised if we win that one.
No kool aid or alcoholic beverages used to make the above comment.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I’ll be optimistic
Atlanta 34 – Oakland 17
October 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
CP rules, and you just can’t see it any other way. It’s the rest of the team that sux
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but what about this?
a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).
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What about it? CP is the best under center since Gannon. And by a huge margin. He is not the problem no matter how much hyperbole you like to post here. Our New WR our impossible OLine and no run game, and he still looks good. I know you don’t like him, which makes you a fool, but I do. You take CP out and believe it or not, it will get much much worse.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I dont want the head coach of my team laughing it up with the opposing head coach who just stomped your face in. DA is not a Raider. Hes not going to save this organization. He will not have a winning season here, and very well may not make past this season. He just doesnt have it. Its bad enough he chose Knapp as his OC, and he will have to sink with that decision. But as a lifelong Raiders fan, and understanding the significance of AFC West Rivals, I can honestly say through all the years of losing, I have never been as sickened by any of our head coach’s actions as I was by DA’s display with Fox yesterday. DA gets zero support from me, here on out. I’ll watch the games to see some football, and support players that I have been following, but this staff is beyond WEAK. Top to bottom.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Thec Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Had not last years team had injuries we would have DOMINATED the AFC west in spite of the DCO.
This team cannot get off the ground even with DMAC.
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what up thec you miss huejax yet?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm
New post.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:48 pm
This team is garbage. I did not expect to watch them win, but the least I expected was that they would be competitive! That was a complete fking joke!
Dennis Allen is a joke. Knapp is a joke. Our oline is a joke. Our entire fking defense is a joke, along with the dc.
I hope reggie’s plan was to throw the season for high draft picks, otherwise he is a joke as well.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:49 pm
1384, Thec, Jones must put the ball on the ground in Practice, I dunno?
October 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Over the next two weeks I expect reggie to continue building the best practice squad in the NFL.
October 1st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Funny but the palmer apologist are no where to be found. he sucked yesterday
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Just seems your the only one who believes this. Palmer is only as good as whats around him. Pretty sure not many other QB’s would have fared better. He IS NOT the problem, regardless of your apparent dislike for him, he’s actually the MVP on a dismal team.
October 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
How many of those 13-13 games with +10 penalties could have been won had not a costly penalty or two not been made?
Thank God the Raiders are seemingly more disciplined when it comes to committing stooooopid penalties that can change the outcomes of games.
Too bad this current coaching staff can’t seem to put together a decent offensive and defensive scheme with the necessary halftime adjustments to make this team competitive.
Getting outclassed 27-0 in the second half yesterday had nothing to do with penalties.
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Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders 31st in total penalties but since 08 team is 13-13 with 10+ in game and 6-11 with 5 or fewer
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Bring the penalties back!