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Raiders lose all momentum in lopsided loss vs. Broncos

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, September 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders get a week off on the heels of their 37-6 loss to the Denver Broncos on Sunday. Good thing, too, because the Raiders need all the time they can get for self reflection.
That’s typically what teams do during the bye week, anyway. The Raiders aren’t going to like much of what they see when they look in the figurative mirror, either.
Their performance Sunday against the Broncos was a microcosm for the first quarter of the Raiders season, in which they won only one game.
Here’s what the Raiders are going to see:

1. A defense that can’t get off the field or keep opponents out of the end zone on a consistent basis.
The Raiders allowed 125 points their first four games. That’s more than any Raiders team allowed during the first four games of a season during the Al Davis era.

2. A rushing attack that is all but toothless despite a running back, Darren McFadden, that many consider the best in the NFL.
On Sunday, McFadden rushed for 34 yards on 13 carries, for a 2.8-yard average. So far, he has rushed for 201 yards on 57 carries (3.4).
However, if you take away the 64-yarder he had against the Pittsburgh Steelers, McFadden is averaging a paltry 2.4.
It’s not just McFadden, either. Mike Goodson hasn’t done much running the ball, either. And second-year back Taiwan Jones hasn’t run the ball at all this season — he was part of a botched exchange on a reverse in the regular-season opener.

3. A defense that can’t generate consistent pressure on the quarterback.
The Raiders have three sacks through four games this season. The reasons are many. However, it’s apparent that the Raiders can’t rely upon getting consistent pressure with a four-man rush.
Signing veteran end Andre Carter figures to help, even if his arrival isn’t a panacea. Playing against quarterbacks not named Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning also works in the Raiders favor.
Getting back starting cornerbacks Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer also would allow the Raiders to blitz more, without fear of backup cornerbacks breaking down in coverage.

4. An offense capable of moving the ball but unable to cash in touchdowns on a regular basis.
Through four games, the Raiders have scored only 68 yards, with half of those coming against the Steelers.
Again, the problems are many in this regard. The inability to run the ball well, the lack of a go-to receiver, perhaps play-calling, you name it.

– On the bright side, the Raiders committed only five penalties for 41 yards. That’s in keeping with their disciplined ways the first three games.
The Raiders stand at 19 penalties for 143 yards through four games. Very impressive. Penalties aren’t a hot topic around here, in a negative light, for the first time in many, many years.
Hey, it’s a nice start.

– General manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen are working hard in an attempt to overhaul the 53-man roster. One thing they have learned, for sure, is that positive change doesn’t happen overnight.
Outside linebacker Philip Wheeler is the only new player that is playing at a very high level game in, game out.
Right guard Mike Brisiel, right offensive tackle Willie Smith and others such as cornerbacks Bartell, Spencer and Pat Lee and Goodson either haven’t played enough to provide an accuate gauge into their long-term value or haven’t played well enough to make a marked difference in the overall picture.
So it is that McKenzie and Allen will spend inordinate time this week taking more hard looks at the roster and seeing what they can do about upgrading the talent level.
They no doubt will be careful about making any knee-jerk responses to one game. That would be easy to do after such a thorough thrashing against the Broncos.
Right now, it’s about perspective. The Raiders are in rebuilding mode, regardless what they say publicly. Teams going through such a process experience growing pains that sometimes manifest themselves in the form of lopsided games.

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  • Raider Ren

    Can we clone another 10 Phillip Wheelers?

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    Can wheeler call Offensive plays ????

  • DJ Johnny

    1349.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    This team WILL move forward under the present regime and things will improve.

    ================

    got some stock tips for me?


    Yeah, based on what?

    Cuz they can’t get any worse?

  • AmysInCharge

    Wow,…Plunkethead is the leader in the clubhouse,..I like it alot…nice job bro,…JUST SELL, BABY…see if anyone can top it for the row 5 pair.

  • Marks hair

    We might have the worst offense and defense in football

  • r8eray

    Can Wheeler play corner?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    RaiderDuck Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
    This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.

    Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.

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    Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot.

    ===================

    Not sure I would call carson a bright spot, he was good against pitt, but average or worse in the 3 other games. He has been decent over all but it isnt what we were promised.

    We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.

    None of it has happened, and this team stinks on wheels.

    besides the trade meant no high draft picks and if you havnt noticed we need help in every position.

    palmers lack of elite production and the cost of of lost picks means that carson is part of the blame, a major part at that.

    The man has a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).

    Im afraid the plamer deal is flat out awful in review, like i warned it would be before it even happened.

    My personal feelings do not in any way influence the cold hard facts and numbers, those are earned on the field. What i posted is the truth

  • Raider Ren

    I have seen less happy coaches right after winning the SB than DA’s ear to ear grin following that horrific and historic loss.

    We all have.

    ======================
    I think DA is a double agent working for the Broncos ORG. He came to the Raiders to screw us over and make life easier for Manning and big teeth . He wants us to suck BIG TIME ! You know this be true …

  • Raider Ren

    @1356. BUT he’s ELITE though …

  • Marks hair

    So glad riffs out today.. i dont wanna read anymore of his nonsense today…
    Code worse by the day

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Raider Ren Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I think DA is a double agent working for the Broncos ORG. He came to the Raiders to screw us over and make life easier for Manning and big teeth . He wants us to suck BIG TIME ! You know this be true …

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    Riiiight. Must be something in the water today…

  • theghostronin79

    For the good of team we need to evaluate tp for the rest of the yr…

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    He’d be getting sacked left, right, and center….AND completing less passes than Carson. The only thing he could possibly bring is his escapability, extending the play, and running. Bringing him in now would almost surley destroy him. Our O-Line is FILTH.

  • Raider Ren

    CODE suicidal …

  • blackandsilverside

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    RaiderDuck Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
    This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.

    Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.

    ===========================================

    Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot.

    ===================

    Not sure I would call carson a bright spot, he was good against pitt, but average or worse in the 3 other games. He has been decent over all but it isnt what we were promised.

    We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.

    None of it has happened, and this team stinks on wheels.

    besides the trade meant no high draft picks and if you havnt noticed we need help in every position.

    palmers lack of elite production and the cost of of lost picks means that carson is part of the blame, a major part at that.

    The man has a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).

    Im afraid the plamer deal is flat out awful in review, like i warned it would be before it even happened.

    My personal feelings do not in any way influence the cold hard facts and numbers, those are earned on the field. What i posted is the truth
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I do know one thing, when Palmer threw the bone-headed INT yesterday in the 3rd quarter, the wheels came completely off, which caused us to lose the game.

  • Raidernationdave

    CODE Dingleberries

  • Raider Ren

    He’d be getting sacked left, right, and center….AND completing less passes than Carson. The only thing he could possibly bring is his escapability, extending the play, and running. Bringing him in now would almost surley destroy him. Our O-Line is FILTH.

    ———————–
    If our Oline sux , should’nt we put in a guy who is fast and mobile and who can extend play’s LIKE TP ??? Or is the statue known as CP3 better suited???

  • DennisAllensVisor

    That pick caused us to lose the game? LOL..

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Gotta play Pryor though.

    Gotta see what Pryor + Bergstrom can do.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    theghostronin79 Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    For the good of team we need to evaluate tp for the rest of the yr…

    =========

    He’d be getting sacked left, right, and center….AND completing less passes than Carson. The only thing he could possibly bring is his escapability, extending the play, and running. Bringing him in now would almost surley destroy him. Our O-Line is FILTH.
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    Im not so sure about that, TP6 posted better numbers in the pre season than both lienart and palmer and it wasnt close.

    I think he is far better suited fro this offense than palmer is, and may provide a spark or at least a reason to watch the games.

    Also TP6 on the boot leg fake would finally open up rushing lanes on that stretch play for dmac, instead fo having the defders sell out to the run and tackle dmac for a loss every time.

  • Raiderbuck

    CP rules, and you just can’t see it any other way. It’s the rest of the team that sux

  • https://twitter.com/Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    Josh Dubow ‏@JoshDubowAP
    #Raiders allow scores on 52.2% of drives compared to 35.6% last season
    Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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    Yikes!

  • Raidernationdave

    Paranoia may destroy ya

    ++++++++++

    Raider Ren Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I think DA is a double agent working for the Broncos ORG. He came to the Raiders to screw us over and make life easier for Manning and big teeth . He wants us to suck BIG TIME ! You know this be true …

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1367.DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    Gotta play Pryor though.

    Gotta see what Pryor + Bergstrom can do.

    ++++++++++

    100% this.

    I don’t want Pryor thrown to the wolves against Atlanta. But a home game against a bad Jacksonville team? That’d be the perfect situation.

    Lose to Atlanta and it MUST be Pryor time.

    Of course it won’t be, but I’ll still keep beating that drum

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Funny but the palmer apologist are no where to be found. he sucked yesterday

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Also TP6 on the boot leg fake would finally open up rushing lanes on that stretch play for dmac, instead fo having the defders sell out to the run and tackle dmac for a loss every time.

    +++++++++

    YUP

  • https://twitter.com/Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    Karim Miller ‏@PSN_PantherX
    It’s still early. I think Raiders can beat Atlanta. Then the only game that looks tough is Baltimore. Then schedule is very winnable.
    Retweeted by RFP Host-Raider Mike
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite
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    Definitely drunk on Kool Aid, this guy.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Im going on record saying that McFadden is still not recovered from injury either.

    Dont know if its the foot of turf toe, but I think he is still hurt. But playing thru it.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Our o-line coaching stinks. And for anybody dragging up zone vs. angle blocking, remember that there’s only a difference between those two schemes IN THE RUNNING GAME. Pass-blocking is the same in both systems.

    Again, the problem is Frank Pollack. BRING ALEX GIBBS IN NOW! Alternatively, bring Wylie in to teach pass-blocking.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Raiderbuck Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    CP rules, and you just can’t see it any other way. It’s the rest of the team that sux
    ==============

    but what about this?

    a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).

  • Thec

    nipp sees TP as no value….Same with Taiwan jones.

    h ejust now figured out reece. nipp is a slow learner.

    Semi’s > nipp

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    RaiderDuck Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
    This has absolutely nothing to do with Carson Palmer.

    Suggesting it does only shows your personal agenda.

    ===========================================

    Carson Palmer’s been the one bright spot.

    ===================

    Not sure I would call carson a bright spot, he was good against pitt, but average or worse in the 3 other games. He has been decent over all but it isnt what we were promised.

    We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.

    None of it has happened, and this team stinks on wheels.

    besides the trade meant no high draft picks and if you havnt noticed we need help in every position.

    palmers lack of elite production and the cost of of lost picks means that carson is part of the blame, a major part at that.

    The man has a 5-9 record as the starter here , he is 2-4 in the division with 18 td’s and 18 picks ( more picks than games played).

    Im afraid the plamer deal is flat out awful in review, like i warned it would be before it even happened.

    My personal feelings do not in any way influence the cold hard facts and numbers, those are earned on the field. What i posted is the truth
    ————

    You are a CP3 hater PERIOD he could take us to the SB and you would still hate. guess you havent noticed the crappy pass protection he has been getting and he is still making plays like that throw to Dmoore down the sideline under pressure. elite qb throw not to mention he in asystem that doesnt fit him but you carry on Mistic everyone can see your dilusional when it comes to CP3.

  • https://twitter.com/Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL
    Ominous sign? Raiders lost first game after bye week each of the past nine seasons. This year, they get the undefeated Falcons on the road.
    Retweeted by Raiders RapidReports
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite
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    Yep, definitely looking at 1-4.

  • hendu

    Im glad that Palmer is here… Look at the D, very few have played better than a D in the three defeats…some get an F…in my view, ALL draft picks should be on defense…If we took a poll in here,ZBS vs Power Blocking,which would win?… DAs smile concerning?…I wouldnt smile like that after a loss… jmo

  • https://twitter.com/Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    We were promised playoffs, super bowl runs and instant elite production. we wer promised bombs away football with palmer and moore, remember.
    ———-
    Yeah, we were made promises by Hue “Flim Flam” Jackson, a straight up con man.

  • Thec

    Can you use Taiwan Jones at all?

    bubble screen to Taiwan jones?

    End around Taiwan Jones????

    TP, can he not be used in any formation?

    TP > kapernicus…and yet we do not even dress him?

    this is a crime of ignorance, as performed by the org.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!

  • nyraider

    If we are truly rebuilding and reggie is sold on Knapp long term then CP3 shouldnt be our qb. CP3 throws a nice long ball, but his 3rd down results havent been great. Yes our Oline has not played well but 7 sacks in 4 games isnt horrible. However, 14-51 on 3rd down is unacceptable for someone earning 12 mil a year. I personally dont see CP as a fit with Knapp’s system. in fact the Qb who is best suited to escape pressure and can run on 3rd down is TP.
    Its interesting when I turn the channels there are so many young QBs out there competing. Yet many in here feel like putting TP out there is career suicide. However, its ok for streater to do virtually nothing in 4 games except fumble away our first possession as a rookie. I felt at the beginning of the season we should be 4-4. if we are 2-6 then we should see what we have in TP if anything. many of you are talking about drafting a QB next year anyway. Id like to see what TP can and cant do . if we are 4-4, then we are in the playoff race, anything less, lets see what TP is about.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Again, the problem is Frank Pollack. BRING ALEX GIBBS IN NOW! Alternatively, bring Wylie in to teach pass-blocking.

    ++++++++++

    Isn’t Seattle’s o-line coach pretty good at the ZBS? Wonder if he could be hired away ;-)

  • YoungAmerican

    TheBay2LA Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 10:36 am

    YoungAmerican Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 10:28 am
    We have far too many areas of concern for drafting a QB. Simple as that. No QB in the nation should be drafted. Each year a “franchise” QB comes along. I’m cool with waiting for teddy bridgwater if you want the brother, or Sean Mannion if you want the white guy. Or which ever “franchise” qb comes along between here and then. Top 3 pick should be used to acquire more picks, or snag the unquestioned best Pass Rusher or Shutdown corner.

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    Can’t draft for need. Have to take the best player available.

    If you draft for need and the pick busts? Not only did you not fill that need, but you didn’t get a player who can be a long-term asset for your team.


    I get it bro, you have a man crush on the numbers and Geno. But winning teams do in fact draft for need. Teams that pick in the top 3 often aren’t the better for it, and end up right back in the top 5. Regardless, given our fortunes with top 5 picks, do you really even want to risk it on a Big 12 QB? I admit it’s early so I’m not sold on him, we’ll see how he does against Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, TCU, then I’ll have a better idea but even then, still NO QB! Trade down, select players, and ideally acquire starters via free agency.

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    Nothing about the numbers, although those numbers are exactly what you’d expect a top prospect to put up against lesser competition. It has everything to do with his short and intermediate accuracy, his solid footwork and mobility inside the pocket, his ability and willingness to take hits in order to deliver the ball, and his ability to fit the ball into tight windows. Those are the things that have, thus far, made Geno Smith the best player in college football. Of course the evaluation process isn’t over – teams will want to see what he can do against top defenses – but if he keeps performing the way he has been, then he’ll very possibly be the first player picked in the draft, and certainly won’t fall out of the top 3.

    What do you mean “our fortunes with Top 5 picks”? It’s a completely new regime. The Raiders’ draft history has nothing to do with it. It’s a shame that many Raiders fans have been conditioned to fear the draft, because that’s how you improve your team, and set them up for long-term success. This isn’t the NBA – you can’t just go out and buy a bunch of big-name players in free agency and just expect to win. If that was the case the Eagles would have gone the distance last season, and the Buccaneers would be dominating this season.

    Teams DO draft for need – but mostly you see that out of teams who are perennial basement-dwellers. When the Giants picked Pierre-Paul, did they need a DE? Nope. They had Tuck and Osi. But they took the best player on the board, and it paid off. That’s how good teams stay good – by filling their roster with good players, not by saying “we need X, so we’re drafting X no matter what”. They only time it makes sense to draft for need is when your team has virtually every other position set for years. Few teams ever find themselves in that position, and the Raiders are certainly not in that position.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Cannot justify Leinart dressing over Palmer.

    Were screwed WITH Palmer in.

    Whats the comfort of having Leinart come in incase of injury??

  • RockyMountainRaider

    Watching highlights of 49ers game, why cant we do with Pryor what they did with Colin Kaepernick?

  • Thec

    Had not last years team had injuries we would have DOMINATED the AFC west in spite of the DCO.

    This team cannot get off the ground even with DMAC.

  • theghostronin79

    I was super excited we got TP. AND, I’d love for him to be our guy. I just want to set him up for success. He hasn’t been getting the reps in practice. Had a good game against Detroit, then got slapped by the Cardinals D, and brought back to earth by Seahawk D.

  • https://twitter.com/Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    Josh Dubow ‏@JoshDubowAP
    #Raiders 31st in total penalties but since 08 team is 13-13 with 10+ in game and 6-11 with 5 or fewer
    Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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    Bring the penalties back!

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    RockyMountainRaider Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    Watching highlights of 49ers game, why cant we do with Pryor what they did with Colin Kaepernick?

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    A very good question.

  • eastoaklandraider

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!
    —————-

    and its on the road we may lose by 50!!!

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1385.DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!

    +++++++++++++

    Their defense is also allowing just 19 points a game and they lead the league in forced fumbles and are 2nd in INTs.

    Gonna get real ugly real quick.

  • Marks hair

    Cp3 is fine but he will be 38 by the time we contend.. its tp or geno… time to evaluate

  • https://twitter.com/Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    We cant cover Malcom Floyd, Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown or Eric Decker… and here comes Roddy White & Julio Jones with the NFL MVP Matt Ryan throwing them the rock…. LOL!!!!!!!
    —–
    Don’t forget about Michael Turner and Tony Gonzalez. Atlanta could put up 60 on us if they wanted to.

    Falcons 45
    Raiders 20

  • jesusraiderjim

    MikieG Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
    I would be just fine if we never picked a slow talking slow thinking player from LSU ever again..
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    The SEC is arguably the best conference in football and sends the most guys to th NFL. How in the hell did we get the 2 stupidest players to end up being the busts they are.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “RaiderDuck Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    RockyMountainRaider Says:
    October 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    Watching highlights of 49ers game, why cant we do with Pryor what they did with Colin Kaepernick?

    ===========================================

    A very good question.”

    Because we are still learning a crappy offense why do something cool unique and productive?