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Evaluation process in full swing for Raiders

Coach Dennis Allen promised a thorough evaluation of his team over the next two weeks. That process will take him and his coaching staff from A to Z, Allen said.
As of now, the process is somewhere in the middle, Allen said. Now that the players are off for the next four days, the process kicks into overdrive.
“The process has begun,” Allen said. “We’re going to continue to evaluate it. The players are going to be off but the coaches are still going to have some time to work. We’ll continue to look at every phase of what we’re doing, how we’re doing it, who’s doing it and we’re going to put the play together that we feel like gives us the best opportunity to win.”
The Raiders return to practice Monday in preparation for their next game, Oct. 14 against the Atlanta Falcons.
Quarterback Carson Palmer said the players were instructed to get some rest physically but to keep working mentally. In short, that means studying the video tape given them by their coaches.
“That’s something coach really emphasized,” Palmer said. “You can go one of two ways. You can say, ‘Screw it, I’m going to Vegas and party for four days,’ and that’s not what this team is about. Most of these guys are sticking around, are going to come in and work out.”
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour talked Monday about the need for players to have fun. He said players tend to take losses too hard and lose sight of the fun aspect of the game.
“That isn’t the way the game is played,” Seymour said. “We’re playing a game and we’re very fortunate and blessed to do it. We have to go out and play it as such. As you get down and things get tough, you can’t go into the tank. A man has to come out and have to battle and have to fight and you have to have fun doing it. It’s tough when you have to get it back on track.”
That’s all well and good, Allen said, but there’s a fine line that needs to be walked.
“There’s fun and there’s a sense of purpose,” Allen said. “It’s a game, and you’re supposed to have fun playing the game, but it’s also a business and we have a job to do. Our guys realize that. Nobody takes it any harder than the coaches and players in this organization. We understand that we have a job to do. We understand what’s at stake and we take that job seriously.”

– Third-down conversions and third-down stops. The Raiders struggled in both areas, for the most part, in all four games.
Hence, Allen and his coaching staff are harping on the importance of turning third-down plays into first downs on offense and preventing opposing offenses from converting so many third-down plays into first downs.
“That’s been a big focus for us this week,” Allen said. “It will continue to be a big focus for us. We have to find ways to convert on third down and get off the field on third down defensively.”
The Raiders converted only 1 of 12 third-down plays into first downs against the Broncos last Sunday. Meanwhile, the Broncos netted first downs on 10 of 16 such plays.
Overall, the Raiders converted 27.5 percent of their third-down plays the first four games, while opponents’ success rate reached 53.3 percent.
“It’s been really good to get everybody on the same page and see why certain things we do well work and why certain things that we didn’t do well didn’t work and how we can make adjustments,” Palmer said. “It’s been a good week.”

– People are clamoring for the Raiders to use quarterback Terrelle Pryor in some sort of special package, perhaps along the lines of how the New York Jets use Tim Tebow and the 49ers used Colin Kaepernick against the Jets last Sunday.
Pryor said last week, when asked if anything is in the works, that he isn’t sure when, or if, he might be used in a special package. Allen said Wednesday that how Pryor gets used, if at all, moving forward is under consideration.
“I don’t know,” Allen said. “We’ll look at that. We still have some time before we have to play Atlanta. That will be something we look at. I don’t know if that’s in our plans right now.”
Pryor hasn’t been active for any of Oaklan’s first four regular-season games.

– Allen said recently signed defensive end Andre Carter put together two good practices this week and that Carter is getting closer to seeing the field in a game.
Carter signed last week, but he wasn’t active for the game against the Denver Broncos.

– Allen remains “hopeful” that wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey will be cleared to play by team doctors in time for the Falcons game.
Heyward-Bey practiced today for the second straight day and seemed to hold up well on the heels of the concussion he suffered against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sept. 23.
“He looked fine,” Allen said. “He’s not quite fully back but, obviously, there’s been a lot of improvement. So, that’s encouraging.”

– Seymour was excused from practice today for personal reasons, Allen said.

– In each of the past two games, a Raiders defensive lineman chased a play well downfield and ended up involved in a long gain turning into a fumble recovered by the Raiders.
Against the Steelers, Seymour got his hands on a fumble by a Steelers receiver just before linebacker Philip Wheeler recovered. Last Sunday, defensive end Lamarr Houston recovered a fumble, the result of strong safety Tyvon Branch’s hot pursuit, after a long catch-and-run by Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas.
Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver calls those “hustle plays,” the kind of which the Raiders need more of each game, he said.

– Most teams prefer their bye week fall somewhere near the midpoint of the season. Palmer is one who prefers byes later in the season. However, he said the Raiders bye week comes at an ideal time.
“A lot of times bye week can come … so far into the season that you just need a break,” Palmer said. “I don’t feel like guys think we need a break. We’re frustrated that we are where we are because of the way we’ve executed. And we were all talking and we were in the team meeting, this is a week to get better, there are meetings to get better, workouts, these practices are a chance to get better. I really feel like we got a lot of accomplished this week.”

– The Raiders no doubt can’t wait for the day when the entire playing surface at the Coliseum is covered with grass. That won’t happen until the A’s are finished playing.
Even so, Allen said he and the Raiders are pulling for the A’s to keep their magical season rolling.
“We’ve obviously paid attention to them,” Allen said. “We know they got a chance to win the division. We wish them well and hope for the best for them.”

– The New Jersey Shore Raiders booster club is making sure that former Raiders safety Jack Tatum will be remembered for a long time by having a street named in Tatum’s honor.
The corner of Paulison Ave. and River Drive will be changed to Jack Tatum Drive on Oct. 13, in Passaic, New Jersey. Tatum was born in North Carolina, but he was raised in Passaic, where he attended Passaic High School.

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  • Plunketthead

    Should be interesting now, having a d-bag as my direct Supervisor who got the job I wanted. Pray 4 Me

    Other doors will open but having a “new” dirtbag as a boss might really test you.

    I pray he gets divine discomfort where needed and you get some protection from the spiritual war that surrounds us and is intensifying

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    JFB.

    Hey buddy…let’s just get to 4-4 and make a 2nd half push, it can be done.

  • Plunketthead

    Speaking of spiritual war

    DAILY REMINDER
    Cable is a better coach then Hue. Hue would not have done squat if Tom had not fixed the Oline and the running game using cast offs Hue would have failed miserably just like the other coaches brought in the past decade.

    Cable fixed things and righted the ship and the ship has been sinking since he left.

    He has now fixed the seahawk oline and running game using cast offs like McQuistan

    That is all

  • raiderjeff68

    Never thought I would admire and envy the freakin rams and cards for their defenses…..Geezo!

  • J Hill

    Cable fixed things and righted the ship and the ship has been sinking since he left.

    ————————————————————-

    Interesting take.

    Some would argue it was Wylie who fixed the Oline.

    Personally, I think either you can block, or you can’t.

  • r8eray

    Plunketthead Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 6:42 am
    Speaking of spiritual war

    DAILY REMINDER
    Cable is a better coach then Hue. Hue would not have done squat if Tom had not fixed the Oline and the running game using cast offs Hue would have failed miserably just like the other coaches brought in the past decade.

    Cable fixed things and righted the ship and the ship has been sinking since he left.

    ========

    It’s only October, were you thinking it was April Fool’s Day?

    I aint buying it…but hey, whatever tickles your pickle!

    Good Morning Raider Nation!

    ;)

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Plunketthead.

    Didn’t Cable’s Offense average 12 ppg prior to Hue’s arrival?.

    One Hue became OC we averaged 25.6 ppg.

    Cable would not have finished the 2010 season if not foe Hue fixing the Offense.

  • J Hill

    Our DEs are not faster than the guys we are playing. Neither are our DTs. Neither is our MLB.

    Sounds like an immediate 5 players need to be replaced if you want to see a defense like that.

  • guest123

    Just came in to check on the state of all things Raiders. Pretty depressing scene here.

    1-3 guys is not the end of the season. We got 12 more tries at getting this right. Stop thinking about the playoffs or divisional rivalries. Stop putting the pressure on expectations. Each game is a gift to improve and set the table for next year.

    All I hope for now is the players to not give up like the Tampa Bay Bucs did for the last 10 games last year. That was embarrassing to watch and embarrassing for the community. Dennis Allen needs to straighten up the backbone and focus on the next game. Improving incrementally, regardless of results. Either you are moving forward or you are getting pushed backwards.

  • Plunketthead

    Bob Hue helped a lot but my point is Cable fixed the oline, thats what he was brought in to do, that fixed the running game which “fixed” the passing game.

    Cable had success before he came to Oakland fixing Olines and he has now done wonders in Seattle.

    If Hue was brought in when Cable was (after Lane was fired) Hue would have failed miserably. If there was no running game when Hue arrived Hue would have failed.

    Thats all I am saying. I would rather have Tom for a coach anyday and I bet he gets another chance with a team someday

  • Plunketthead

    Jhill
    I believe Cable worked with the oline longer then Wylie. Tom moved Gallery to Guard and that alone made a huge diff, even with Mario replacing him.

    Cable worked with crap for oline man the entire time

  • r8eray

    Guest123 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Stop putting the pressure on expectations. Each game is a gift to improve and set the table for next year.

    ======

    Sounds like something that would come out of the coaching staff or Reggie!

    IMO…we should have never fked with the offense, you ever here of the saying “if it aint broke don’t fix it”? Kinda funny how we’re dead last (rushing) in offense!!

  • walrushooker

    Hue’s offense is highly overrated on this site. He couldn’t win games by scoring in the fourth. He mainly hit on home runs and didn’t have enough sustained drives. Cable’s run game was awesome but he was always handcuffed by the lack of a qb and a bad defense.

    John Henderson was the biggest loss for this team in the offseason, by far. Their DT’s should be playing ends in a 3-4, and they have two 3-techniques playing defensive end. I think this team could get instantly better with a big NT in the draft and some depth at lb, moving Curry to play inside with slolando.

  • bcz24

    1161.Plunketthead Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:04 am
    Jhill
    I believe Cable worked with the oline longer then Wylie. Tom moved Gallery to Guard and that alone made a huge diff, even with Mario replacing him.

    Cable worked with crap for oline man the entire time
    ********
    Cables oline couldnt pass protect against a 3 man rush. Wylies oline gave up the third fewest sacks in the nfl

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Mornin’ Nation.

    6-10 is still possible…beat the Jags, Browns, Bengals, split with KC, revenge on the Donks at home if Bartell and Spencer are back.

  • guest123

    @ Ray

    Thing is I’m just as disappointed as you are. I totally agree that they took a functional offense and ruined it while promising to revamp a putrid defense and even somehow managed to make that worse. The coaching staff deserves to have a fire lit under them and some of the players need to be put on notice for their jobs.

    That said, if there is no leadership and short memory going into the gameplanning for Atlanta, not only will we lose (likely in any case), but we will be destroyed and be the laughing stock of the football nation. I don’t expect victory anymore. But I do expect hard nosed play and guys running thru the whistle. If it goes bad, I don’t want to see fingerpointing, sulking, personal fouls, taunting, or other examples of a team that has no leadership.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Would honestly not be surprised if Atlanta lays the beatdown of the season on us. I’m talking a 54-7 style shellacking.

    No pass rush, no corners = Matty Ice, White & Jones rule the roost.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    SilverandBlackPA.

    Damnit man, 6-10?.

    I’m still holding out hope for 9 wins, get to 4-4 and win 5 of the last 8, with some pretty good luck finish 6-2 and get to 10 wins.

    Yes, I said it.

  • Plunketthead

    Marshall Lynch is #1 in yards this season
    http://seattletimes.com/html/stevekelley/2019215894_kelley21.html

    Last year, when the offensive linemen started falling, Breno Giacomini, Paul McQuistan and Jeanpierre filled in and the Seahawks might have gotten better.

    Omiyale, Giacomini, McQuistan and Jeanpierre. In a league that loves its superstars, these are the team’s silent MVPs. They are the products of offensive-line coach Tom Cable’s system.

  • r8eray

    Guest123 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:11 am
    @ Ray

    Thing is I’m just as disappointed as you are. I totally agree that they took a functional offense and ruined it while promising to revamp a putrid defense and even somehow managed to make that worse. The coaching staff deserves to have a fire lit under them and some of the players need to be put on notice for their jobs.

    That said, if there is no leadership and short memory going into the gameplanning for Atlanta, not only will we lose (likely in any case), but we will be destroyed and be the laughing stock of the football nation. I don’t expect victory anymore. But I do expect hard nosed play and guys running thru the whistle. If it goes bad, I don’t want to see fingerpointing, sulking, personal fouls, taunting, or other examples of a team that has no leadership.

    ======

    Don’t forget, we’re playing at the Georgia Dome!

    I bet Ryan could pass for +300 yards without Julio and Roddy White on the field!

    With that being said, I wonder what the Money Line will be?

    Raiders +450 ?

  • guest123

    I would be surprised if its a beatdown. I honestly think we will bounce back for Atlanta. I don’t see how our defense can stop them though. It should be a comfortable 2 score win, but I think we can score on them with a healthy DHB back and the bye week to rest. I’m not even dreaming of an upset, but I’d take the points and the Raiders.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    And no, I would not bet on 9 wins let alone 10, but it can be done.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Cable as HC/cheerleader and Hue as the OC was a great mix.

    That team fought hard until the very end of each game and the season.

    Last year’s team quit at times, and no-showed at others.

  • J Hill

    We are running the same system Cable is, Plunkett.

  • Just Fire Baby

    On a positive note for our current O-line, we are tied for #6 in sacks allowed, and 2nd in the NFL in pass attempts per sack.

  • http://bigswede.com Klas Tjorborn

    1-3 guys is not the end of the season. We got 12 more tries at getting this right. Stop thinking about the playoffs or divisional rivalries. Stop putting the pressure on expectations. Each game is a gift to improve and set the table for next year.
    ——-
    We are pretty much 1-4.

  • guest123

    Going forward, the only yardstick to properly evaluate Dennis Allen and staff is to see if the team loses its cool. If the stupid personal fouls crop up at the end of blowout losses. If the heads are hanging and guys lining up with hands on their hips reluctanly getting into their stance. Guys jogging after the ballcarrier in the second level. Dumb penalties on the rise.

    What will it take for this team to quit? 1-6 start? 1-8 start? What’s the breaking point? Do these guys give up and mail in their dignity? Or will they play hard for the next contract knowing that the eye in the sky don’t lie?

    If they end up quitting like teams in the recent past, then DA himself was a bad hire.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    On the other hand, here’s the depressing stat of the week…

    The 2012 Raiders – 14.5 point differential on average so far is worst than anything we’ve seen during the last 10 years, the Kiffin-Cable 2009 team finished at – 11.2 and even the infamous 2006 team finished with – 10.2.

    And yet I hold hope for a turnaround, go Raiders!.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Have a nice friday folks.

  • Plunketthead

    10 4 jhill

    But Cable seems to be very good at coaching it.

    My main point is Tom took over a terrible team mid season and the team got much better under his firm pimp hand and started going south after he left.

    I am not saying it was Hues fault. Hue did a great job untill Al passed however Hue could never have done what Tom did

  • Just Fire Baby

    We are heading into the easiest part of our schedule.

    Time to get fat on the bottom-feeders.

  • Just Fire Baby

    If Seattle’s O-line continues to excel, look for him to prossibly interview for the Browns job that should be open the end of this year.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    I’m guessing that this morning Kevin Kolb must feel like me after a long night of Canadien Club.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Here’s why this ‘evaluation’ talk is mere lip-service. From this interview it’s obvious it’s full steam ahead with the ZBS, persisting with it till the players are proficient at it straight from the mouth of Wisniewski…

    —-

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Wisniewski-breaks-down-the-ZBS?blockID=784039&feedID=2801

    ALAMEDA — As a predominantly power-blocking team last season, the Raiders were the No. 7-ranked rushing team in the NFL, averaging 131.9 yards per game on the ground.

    Through four games of the 2012 season utilizing the zone-blocking scheme, the Raiders are 32nd in the 32-team NFL — last — in averaging 60.8 rushing yards per game.

    Still think the switch should have been seamless, and that the ZBS is similar to what the Raiders ran last year?

    “It’s very different in the run game,” center Stefen Wisniewski told CSNCalifornia.com following the Raiders’ final pre-bye week practice on Wednesday. “Yeah, it really is.”

    How, exactly?

    Wisniewski’s eyes rolled and he smiled.

    “Well, I mean, I’d get technical on you,” he said with a laugh. “Yeah, it’s, I mean, the footwork, the aiming points, just everything is. The whole goal’s different — you’re trying to get people to run sideways and make a cut, instead of trying to move people, drive them off the ball. So, the whole broad scheme is different and then all the little details are different, with all the footwork and everything and the combinations.

    “But we’re getting more comfortable at them and the more reps we get, we’re just going to keep getting better and the more reps the (running) backs get, they’re going to keep getting better because it’s different for them, too. The reads are all very different.”

    Keep in mind, the Raiders’ offensive line is still rounding into form, what with Wisniewski making the transition from left guard to center after missing all on-field work this offseason recovering from shoulder surgery before a calf injury sidelined him in the exhibition season. And Willie Smith is replacing the injured Khalif Barnes at right tackle.

    Plus, it’s not like Oakland can practice the cut-blocking in practice against teammates.

    “It’s definitely close and we really feel we’re continuing to get better at it,” Wisniewski said. “You know, it’s not an easy thing to pick up right away. It takes time, it takes practice and it takes game practice, too. It’s a different look than practice (when) you can’t really cut guys. It’s a whole different deal.

    “It’s a things that’s going to take time and we’re definitely moving in the right direction and we’re definitely close to where we want to be.”

    And therein lies the frustration.

    “It’s tough,” Wisniewski said, “and we certainly want to be seeing results right now but coaches have been good and encouraging, encouraging us to be patient, keep working, keep getting better and just trust that it’s going to work and we believe it is going to work.”

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1168.Bob Marley Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:16 am
    SilverandBlackPA.

    Damnit man, 6-10?.

    I’m still holding out hope for 9 wins, get to 4-4 and win 5 of the last 8, with some pretty good luck finish 6-2 and get to 10 wins.

    Yes, I said it.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Believe me, Bob, I hope you’re right!

  • Marks hair

    I dont think eeking out 6 wins will help us.. we really need the top pick.. we need a full rebuild. Not a reload.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1182.Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:34 am
    If Seattle’s O-line continues to excel, look for him to prossibly interview for the Browns job that should be open the end of this year.

    ++++++++++++

    I could buy that. Also look for Ray Horton to get a HC gig next year.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1171.guest123 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:19 am
    I would be surprised if its a beatdown. I honestly think we will bounce back for Atlanta. I don’t see how our defense can stop them though. It should be a comfortable 2 score win, but I think we can score on them with a healthy DHB back and the bye week to rest. I’m not even dreaming of an upset, but I’d take the points and the Raiders
    +++++++++++

    Very curious to see what the spread will be.

    My main hope is that Atlanta demolishes Washington & walks into the Raider game waaaayyy overconfident already looking past us.

    Speaking more realisticially, I think a 34-17 Atlanta victory is very likely.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I bet the Falcons are -13.5, Raiders ML will be in the +650 range.

  • Marks hair

    Tony gonzalez is gonna catch 20 balls against us..

  • Just Fire Baby

    This team needs to stay as competitive as possible, so The Reggie can accurately evaluate the roster.

    Tough to evaluate anything when you are getting pasted by 20+ and guys have mailed it in.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:46 am
    I bet the Falcons are -13.5, Raiders ML will be in the +650 range.
    —————–
    Forgive my lack of knowledge on the topic but how does the money line work exactly?

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1191.Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:48 am
    This team needs to stay as competitive as possible, so The Reggie can accurately evaluate the roster.

    Tough to evaluate anything when you are getting pasted by 20+ and guys have mailed it in.

    +++++++++++

    I dunno, that’d make Reggie’s job easier.

    Anyone mailing it in should be automatically shipped out.

  • ron69

    5-11 at best with victories against Jags Browns Chiefs and probably Tampa but 3-13 sounds more realistic.
    Next year will be gone Kelly Seymour Mclain Huff and probably Shaughnessy if some team overpays him. Just can’t rebuild with too many holes and a tight salary cap. I expect the rebuilding in 2014 and 15 with some playoff hopes in 2016.

  • Plunketthead

    I have always hated it and always called it the dam cut blocking scheme because the Mules used it for years tearing us up.

    I even preached in here how much I disliked it and was piss because the raiders were switching to it under Kiff.

    But it is what it is. Raider brass has declared we are gonna use it and the oline men that do not get good at it will be gone next year.

    I accept it untill it changes

  • guest123

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:46 am
    I bet the Falcons are -13.5, Raiders ML will be in the +650 range.

    ***********

    That’s what I was thinking. See, I’d put money on that line. People are going overboard, but I think the line will start there and climb to -14.5. That’s the sweet spot to me as I think we stay within 2 scores.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:49 am
    1191.Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:48 am
    This team needs to stay as competitive as possible, so The Reggie can accurately evaluate the roster.

    Tough to evaluate anything when you are getting pasted by 20+ and guys have mailed it in.

    +++++++++++

    I dunno, that’d make Reggie’s job easier.

    Anyone mailing it in should be automatically shipped out.
    ——————-
    Right now Phillip Wheeler and DHB are two of my favorite players because of there consistent effort.

  • Plunketthead

    Cable would be a great fit for the Browns

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1196.guest123 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:51 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:46 am
    I bet the Falcons are -13.5, Raiders ML will be in the +650 range.

    ***********

    That’s what I was thinking. See, I’d put money on that line. People are going overboard, but I think the line will start there and climb to -14.5. That’s the sweet spot to me as I think we stay within 2 scores.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    This is going to sound irrational and panicky, but please imagine this being said in a calm voice that is truly just curious: after what Denver did, how do you think the Raiders will keep it closer when playing a superior Atlanta squad in the eastern time zone?

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Further on #1184…

    It’s pretty obvious when you think about it. After spending all the months of OTAs, Camp, and Pre-season preaching ZBS, and TELLING the players its a system that IS going to work, and to TRUST the process, to be patient, the coaches aren’t going to suddenly about-face on the players, admitting that it does NOT work, and trying to get all the players to go back to learning the PBS, to throw months of practice away by changing.

    Plus, it would mean having to fire not just Knapp but also Pollack.