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Evaluation process in full swing for Raiders

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Coach Dennis Allen promised a thorough evaluation of his team over the next two weeks. That process will take him and his coaching staff from A to Z, Allen said.
As of now, the process is somewhere in the middle, Allen said. Now that the players are off for the next four days, the process kicks into overdrive.
“The process has begun,” Allen said. “We’re going to continue to evaluate it. The players are going to be off but the coaches are still going to have some time to work. We’ll continue to look at every phase of what we’re doing, how we’re doing it, who’s doing it and we’re going to put the play together that we feel like gives us the best opportunity to win.”
The Raiders return to practice Monday in preparation for their next game, Oct. 14 against the Atlanta Falcons.
Quarterback Carson Palmer said the players were instructed to get some rest physically but to keep working mentally. In short, that means studying the video tape given them by their coaches.
“That’s something coach really emphasized,” Palmer said. “You can go one of two ways. You can say, ‘Screw it, I’m going to Vegas and party for four days,’ and that’s not what this team is about. Most of these guys are sticking around, are going to come in and work out.”
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour talked Monday about the need for players to have fun. He said players tend to take losses too hard and lose sight of the fun aspect of the game.
“That isn’t the way the game is played,” Seymour said. “We’re playing a game and we’re very fortunate and blessed to do it. We have to go out and play it as such. As you get down and things get tough, you can’t go into the tank. A man has to come out and have to battle and have to fight and you have to have fun doing it. It’s tough when you have to get it back on track.”
That’s all well and good, Allen said, but there’s a fine line that needs to be walked.
“There’s fun and there’s a sense of purpose,” Allen said. “It’s a game, and you’re supposed to have fun playing the game, but it’s also a business and we have a job to do. Our guys realize that. Nobody takes it any harder than the coaches and players in this organization. We understand that we have a job to do. We understand what’s at stake and we take that job seriously.”

– Third-down conversions and third-down stops. The Raiders struggled in both areas, for the most part, in all four games.
Hence, Allen and his coaching staff are harping on the importance of turning third-down plays into first downs on offense and preventing opposing offenses from converting so many third-down plays into first downs.
“That’s been a big focus for us this week,” Allen said. “It will continue to be a big focus for us. We have to find ways to convert on third down and get off the field on third down defensively.”
The Raiders converted only 1 of 12 third-down plays into first downs against the Broncos last Sunday. Meanwhile, the Broncos netted first downs on 10 of 16 such plays.
Overall, the Raiders converted 27.5 percent of their third-down plays the first four games, while opponents’ success rate reached 53.3 percent.
“It’s been really good to get everybody on the same page and see why certain things we do well work and why certain things that we didn’t do well didn’t work and how we can make adjustments,” Palmer said. “It’s been a good week.”

– People are clamoring for the Raiders to use quarterback Terrelle Pryor in some sort of special package, perhaps along the lines of how the New York Jets use Tim Tebow and the 49ers used Colin Kaepernick against the Jets last Sunday.
Pryor said last week, when asked if anything is in the works, that he isn’t sure when, or if, he might be used in a special package. Allen said Wednesday that how Pryor gets used, if at all, moving forward is under consideration.
“I don’t know,” Allen said. “We’ll look at that. We still have some time before we have to play Atlanta. That will be something we look at. I don’t know if that’s in our plans right now.”
Pryor hasn’t been active for any of Oaklan’s first four regular-season games.

– Allen said recently signed defensive end Andre Carter put together two good practices this week and that Carter is getting closer to seeing the field in a game.
Carter signed last week, but he wasn’t active for the game against the Denver Broncos.

– Allen remains “hopeful” that wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey will be cleared to play by team doctors in time for the Falcons game.
Heyward-Bey practiced today for the second straight day and seemed to hold up well on the heels of the concussion he suffered against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sept. 23.
“He looked fine,” Allen said. “He’s not quite fully back but, obviously, there’s been a lot of improvement. So, that’s encouraging.”

– Seymour was excused from practice today for personal reasons, Allen said.

– In each of the past two games, a Raiders defensive lineman chased a play well downfield and ended up involved in a long gain turning into a fumble recovered by the Raiders.
Against the Steelers, Seymour got his hands on a fumble by a Steelers receiver just before linebacker Philip Wheeler recovered. Last Sunday, defensive end Lamarr Houston recovered a fumble, the result of strong safety Tyvon Branch’s hot pursuit, after a long catch-and-run by Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas.
Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver calls those “hustle plays,” the kind of which the Raiders need more of each game, he said.

– Most teams prefer their bye week fall somewhere near the midpoint of the season. Palmer is one who prefers byes later in the season. However, he said the Raiders bye week comes at an ideal time.
“A lot of times bye week can come … so far into the season that you just need a break,” Palmer said. “I don’t feel like guys think we need a break. We’re frustrated that we are where we are because of the way we’ve executed. And we were all talking and we were in the team meeting, this is a week to get better, there are meetings to get better, workouts, these practices are a chance to get better. I really feel like we got a lot of accomplished this week.”

– The Raiders no doubt can’t wait for the day when the entire playing surface at the Coliseum is covered with grass. That won’t happen until the A’s are finished playing.
Even so, Allen said he and the Raiders are pulling for the A’s to keep their magical season rolling.
“We’ve obviously paid attention to them,” Allen said. “We know they got a chance to win the division. We wish them well and hope for the best for them.”

– The New Jersey Shore Raiders booster club is making sure that former Raiders safety Jack Tatum will be remembered for a long time by having a street named in Tatum’s honor.
The corner of Paulison Ave. and River Drive will be changed to Jack Tatum Drive on Oct. 13, in Passaic, New Jersey. Tatum was born in North Carolina, but he was raised in Passaic, where he attended Passaic High School.

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  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    ron69 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:50 am
    5-11 at best with victories against Jags Browns Chiefs and probably Tampa but 3-13 sounds more realistic.
    Next year will be gone Kelly Seymour Mclain Huff and probably Shaughnessy if some team overpays him. Just can’t rebuild with too many holes and a tight salary cap. I expect the rebuilding in 2014 and 15 with some playoff hopes in 2016.
    —————-
    ouch

  • Marks hair

    Whats left for reggie to evaluate? Tp & criner? Its a vet team.. we already know who needs to go .

  • bcz24

    Tough to evaluate anything when you are getting pasted by 20+ and guys have mailed it in.
    ********
    Makes evaluation real easy. If the guy mails it in, he aint the kinda guy you want on the roster.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Forgive my lack of knowledge on the topic but how does the money line work exactly?

    **********************

    +650 means bet $100 to win $650.

    Falcons will be probably around the -800 range, meaning you have to bet $800 to win $100.

  • guest123

    http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/10/04/zone-blocking-the-anti-mcfadden/

    Here is a damn good read into why the whole zone blocking system is so wrong for DMC. I agree.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:54 am
    Forgive my lack of knowledge on the topic but how does the money line work exactly?

    **********************

    +650 means bet $100 to win $650.

    Falcons will be probably around the -800 range, meaning you have to bet $800 to win $100.
    ———————
    Thanks, I learned something new

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    Where has rockstar been?

  • Marks hair

    Its time to play the rookies.. seasons OVER.. give tp some snaps..

  • bcz24

    This is the type of game we surprise people in. The game no one gives us any chance of winning, against a superior team. That said, our track record in the east plus our recent track record after a bye… I would feel comfortable taking the Falcons -15.

    Love my team, but I have tempered expectations.

  • bcz24

    The zbs is FINE for McFadden, so long as our guys execute the blocks. Ask Pittsburg.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    #1205…

    Thanks for posting that article Guest123 :thumbsup:

  • Just Fire Baby

    Nah, even the best players in this league sag their shoulders and aren’t giving playoff-level effort once they are eliminated from the playoffs.

    You watch some meaningless game in December, you got 90% of the guys giving somewhere between 70-90% effort.

    We just need to limit those games to December, and not have them in October.

  • guest123

    bcz24 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:00 am
    The zbs is FINE for McFadden, so long as our guys execute the blocks. Ask Pittsburg.

    ************

    One 64 yard play where Cooper Carlisle correctly peeled off the NT and took on the Steeler LB and that is really the only good play. Take away that and DMC is averaging about 2.4 ypc. Go ask Pittsburgh. They shut him down for the most part. Go look at the screenshots in the link I posted. Blocking scheme is all wrong for McFadden and there are many failures.

  • Marks hair

    We didnt run very well at pitsburg.. just one well blocked play when a lb made a mistake.. knapp & his bs dont belong here

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1213.guest123 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:03 am
    bcz24 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:00 am
    The zbs is FINE for McFadden, so long as our guys execute the blocks. Ask Pittsburg.

    ************

    One 64 yard play where Cooper Carlisle correctly peeled off the NT and took on the Steeler LB and that is really the only good play. Take away that and DMC is averaging about 2.4 ypc. Go ask Pittsburgh. They shut him down for the most part. Go look at the screenshots in the link I posted. Blocking scheme is all wrong for McFadden and there are many failures.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    The article concludes by noting that with enough work and practice on both the line’s and McFadden’s part, though, it will work.

  • RaiderSam

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:49 am
    1191.Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:48 am
    This team needs to stay as competitive as possible, so The Reggie can accurately evaluate the roster.

    Tough to evaluate anything when you are getting pasted by 20+ and guys have mailed it in.

    +++++++++++

    I dunno, that’d make Reggie’s job easier.

    Anyone mailing it in should be automatically shipped out.

    =============

    And ship a couple of these guys in….

    Some significant free agents in 2013. Keep in mind, the franchise tag may be used on some of these players.

    QB – Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Jason Campbell
    RB – Michael Turner, Cedric Benson, Reggie Bush, Peyton Hillis
    WR – Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Victor Cruz, Joshua Cribbs, Ted Ginn Jr.
    TE – Jason Witten, Dallas Clark, Martellus Bennett
    OL – Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Sebastian Vollmer, Jermon Bushrod, Todd McClure
    DL – Cliff Avril, Osi Umenyiora, Chris Clemons, Dwight Freeney, Alan Branch
    LB – Anthony Spencer, Manny Lawson, Brian Urlacher, Erin Henderson, James Laurinaitis
    CB – Brent Grimes, Aqib Talib, Jason McCourty, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Sam Shields
    S – Dashon Goldson, Ed Reed, Jairus Byrd, LaRon Landry

    maybe a draft class

    Manti Teo, LB, Notre Dame
    Magus Hunt, OLB/DE, SMU
    Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia or Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia
    Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida

  • Just Win Baby

    As long as we have a difference maker at punter, we will win the games.

  • RaiderSam

    1 (11)Manti T’eo, ILB, Notre Dame – acquired moving down to add 2nd round pick lost from Palmer deal
    2 (43) Kwwame Geathers, NT, Georgia (presumably from Jets who trade up for Robert Woods
    3 (70) Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
    4 (102) Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, U.Conn
    5 (132)Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn St.
    5 (137) Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU, None (previously LSU)* if he comes out, if not Marc Anthony, CB, Cal
    7 (196) (from Carolina) Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner
    7 (221) Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida

  • RaiderSam

    damn, forgot no fourth round pick (awarded to Seattle in) Aaron Curry trade

  • Just Win Baby

    Guys with names like Teo or Rambo never pan out. Scratch them off the list.

  • guest123

    The Cowboys in the early 90′s had their trio of Aikman, Irvin, and Emmitt. We have the super trio of Jano, Shane, and Condo. With those 3 will win.

  • bcz24

    QB – Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Jason Campbell
    RB – Michael Turner, Cedric Benson, Reggie Bush, Peyton Hillis
    WR – Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Victor Cruz, Joshua Cribbs, Ted Ginn Jr.
    TE – Jason Witten, Dallas Clark, Martellus Bennett
    OL – Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Sebastian Vollmer, Jermon Bushrod, Todd McClure
    DL – Cliff Avril, Osi Umenyiora, Chris Clemons, Dwight Freeney, Alan Branch
    LB – Anthony Spencer, Manny Lawson, Brian Urlacher, Erin Henderson, James Laurinaitis
    CB – Brent Grimes, Aqib Talib, Jason McCourty, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Sam Shields
    S – Dashon Goldson, Ed Reed, Jairus Byrd, LaRon Landry
    ************
    Not 1 of these guys is coming here. They will all be seeking far more money than Reggie is paying out.

  • AmysInCharge

    Ok nobody came up with a better banner then me for Jax game, so nobody gets the row 5 pair,..heres my banner that I came up with and will place in my row 1 location.

    Obbama/Biden 2012
    Gruden/Allen 2013 (Bruce)

    Have to admit its brilliant. ;)

  • raiderjeff68

    Little Howie Long showed us just what were missing last night….plus a lauranitus and a jenkins…I have a feeling our D will be completely over hauled in the off season….

  • guest123

    RaiderSam Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:10 am
    damn, forgot no fourth round pick (awarded to Seattle in) Aaron Curry trade

    **********

    I think it will end up being a 5th rounder (conditional).

  • Just Fire Baby

    I like T’eo, but is he projected that high?

    Seems a little big and stiff to be a top 15 pick at LB, but his intangibles are off the charts.

  • DJ Johnny

    1223.AmysInCharge Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:13 am
    Ok nobody came up with a better banner then me for Jax game, so nobody gets the row 5 pair,..heres my banner that I came up with and will place in my row 1 location.

    Obbama/Biden 2012
    Gruden/Allen 2013 (Bruce)

    Have to admit its brilliant.

    You didn’t like mine?

    “Be patient. Let’s keep things in perspective here for a minute”.

    But seriously, are you allowed to hoist up a banner like that that that says something that would be considered negative?

  • RaiderSam

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:27 am
    I like T’eo, but is he projected that high?

    Seems a little big and stiff to be a top 15 pick at LB, but his intangibles are off the charts.

    ====================

    T’eo has the instincts and the pedigree…I keep thinking he’s a London Fletcher/Sam Mills/Zach Thomas type. …. but the fact remains Rolando McClain (barring him doing something crazy) will still be in the middle – Te’o could be on the strong side? Early projection – Seymour, Kelly, Huff possibly gone next year.

    but i think the corners and DL’s especially are rated higher – the other thing is a lot of juniors may declare, and they are ranked higher in the top 20 according to Rob Rang of Draft Scout – i’ve seen David Amerson or Geno Smith/Tyler Wilson in the mock drafts i’ve seen – us picking at 7 (sigh)

  • Just Fire Baby

    T’eo listed his heroes as Tim Tebow and Mitt Romney, lol, in a SI feature on him.

    He is very religious (Mormon).

    That would certainly fit the new motiff around here.

  • DJ Johnny

    ron69 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:50 am
    5-11 at best with victories against Jags Browns Chiefs and probably Tampa but 3-13 sounds more realistic.
    Next year will be gone Kelly Seymour Mclain Huff and probably Shaughnessy if some team overpays him. Just can’t rebuild with too many holes and a tight salary cap. I expect the rebuilding in 2014 and 15 with some playoff hopes in 2016.
    —————-
    Wow. So next yr. is just another throw away yr. and then possibly some playoff “hope” in 2016 at the earliest?

    That may well be what turns out to happen, but there is no way in he*l that that should be what we should accept as fans as the normal course of action.

    Even expansion team Carolina made it to the conf. championship game in year 3 of their existence.

    If Reggie is any good at all he should be able to get things rolling alot faster than that.

    No NFL team gives their GM that much time to turn things around and still have a job.

  • RaiderSam

    Bcz24 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    QB – Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Jason Campbell
    RB – Michael Turner, Cedric Benson, Reggie Bush, Peyton Hillis
    WR – Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Victor Cruz, Joshua Cribbs, Ted Ginn Jr.
    TE – Jason Witten, Dallas Clark, Martellus Bennett
    OL – Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Sebastian Vollmer, Jermon Bushrod, Todd McClure
    DL – Cliff Avril, Osi Umenyiora, Chris Clemons, Dwight Freeney, Alan Branch
    LB – Anthony Spencer, Manny Lawson, Brian Urlacher, Erin Henderson, James Laurinaitis
    CB – Brent Grimes, Aqib Talib, Jason McCourty, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Sam Shields
    S – Dashon Goldson, Ed Reed, Jairus Byrd, LaRon Landry
    ************
    Not 1 of these guys is coming here. They will all be seeking far more money than Reggie is paying out.

    ———-

    Thing is, a lot of teams WITH the cap space dont sign for a lot. Those jackpot days are over. No one is overpaying for ANY of those players. Believe me, they can be had for less than you think. – Osi could cash in, but NONE of those corners are shutdown no. 1s, RBs Bush and Turner are damaged goods, and a lot of contracts are backloaded.

    Listen. THEY WILL SPEND after this year, they cant afford not to. They wont go overboard, but they’ll spend more than this year once Seymour and Kelly’s cap space is freed up.

  • RaiderSam

    Te’o projected at 13 to the Vikes (replacing Jasper Brinkley?) – that would be top 15.

    i’d say the Raiders trade down, to take advantage of quality seniors forced down as many, many Juniors enter this draft – this is a very tricky one, because there are a lot of defenders, but a bunch of raw types (Kwame Geathers, Sam Montgomery, Luke Joeckel, Barkevious Mingo, Justin Hunter, Eric Reid) – Matt Barkley is slipping – this is one of those deals where the combine numbers will push the juniors past the seniors – only Geno Smith is holding in top ten, then Chance Warmack and Tyler Wilson.

    this means if Raiders stay in 10 – its dodgy, they should trade out and take their chances with Teo , John Jenkins, DT, Georgia. A lot of speed/athletic types high, but few counter moves, and there will be some surprises and deals found later. – Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn St., Blidi Wren-Wilson of U.Conn and a few other sleepers.

    the problem is Rolando McClain – that forces our hand to either commit to the big NT and another LB, or get rid of him, and get some scheme-ready FA’s and seniors with their head on str8.

  • RaiderSam

    Wow. So next yr. is just another throw away yr. and then possibly some playoff “hope” in 2016 at the earliest?

    That may well be what turns out to happen, but there is no way in he*l that that should be what we should accept as fans as the normal course of action

    =========

    no, not really – you get a high pick, build around it with FA and the quantum leap players are McFadden (in a contract year), Denarious Moore, a fully healthy Jacoby Ford, Burris comes out and surprises, and CP3 finally is in an offense.

    If Allen continues to stick with him – it’ll be obvious he’s moving on to another O.C.

  • J Hill

    That was a great read, G123.

    Appreciate it.

    Pretty much confirms what a lot of us have said. Oline needs work.

  • Just Fire Baby

    a fully healthy Jacoby Ford,

    ******************

    LOL!!!

    I think that ship has sailed.

  • J Hill

    So it looks like we really just need to step up our overall football IQ on offense, and we will be fine.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 7:31 am
    We are heading into the easiest part of our schedule.

    Time to get fat on the bottom-feeders.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We are the bottom-feeders thx to Knapp, Tarver, Hoffman, and DA.

  • Just Fire Baby

    We are the bottom-feeders thx to Knapp, Tarver, Hoffman, and DA.

    ***************************

    After the Falcons game, I think we might be favored in 3 of our next 4 games afterwards.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We don’t need a MLB. We need better talent at the DL and secondary.

  • http://bigswede.com Klas Tjorborn

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
    We are the bottom-feeders thx to Knapp, Tarver, Hoffman, and DA.

    ***************************

    After the Falcons game, I think we might be favored in 3 of our next 4 games afterwards.
    ——
    We are bottom feeders thanks to the Al Davis and his crazy spending.

  • bcz24

    Look at GB as a model for free agent spending… rarely happens. Same thing here. Reggie is going to build the squad he wants over the next 2-3 drafts. He aint going to try to buy a championship.

  • J Hill

    Firm believer in the best defense is a good offense.

    Pretty clear that our Oline is just, well, let’s say we need to shore that unit up.

    I’m warming up to trading down and taking that C with out 1st rd pick.

    Draft a really big mountain man at NT. and play Houston and Bryant on either side of him.

    Trade Kelly.

    Rd1 – C
    Rd2 – NT
    Rd3 – S

    Sign FA Corner and OG.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
    We are the bottom-feeders thx to Knapp, Tarver, Hoffman, and DA.

    ***************************

    After the Falcons game, I think we might be favored in 3 of our next 4 games afterwards.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We couldn’t win against Miami, so I will not be surprised if we lose to the Browns, Jax, and KC.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    1239.Raider O Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am
    We don’t need a MLB. We need better talent at the DL and secondary.

    ++++++++++

    We need all 3

  • SilverNBlackPA

    We couldn’t win against Miami, so I will not be surprised if we lose to the Browns, Jax, and KC.

    +++++++++++

    We get all 3 of those teams at home

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Bcz24 Says:
    October 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Look at GB as a model for free agent spending… rarely happens. Same thing here. Reggie is going to build the squad he wants over the next 2-3 drafts. He aint going to try to buy a championship.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Really? Was he the GM in GB?
    Reggie is a rookie GM. Rookie!!!
    I guess You People would have been happy with anyone but AL as a GM.
    You People ate Sad & Disgusting!
    “we trust our new rookie GM, but we hate our HOF owner/ GM who gave us 5 SBs and 3 rings”.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Are*

    I hope you are right SNBPA.

  • J Hill

    O,

    Calm down dude.

    No one here hated Al Davis.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Btw, I was talking in general and not directly to Bcz.

  • RockyMountainRaider

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/steelers-plan-attack-candy-bar-brandon-boykins-174608728–nfl.html
    ——————————————————–

    Looks like Joselio Hanson’s replacement isn’t much better then him.