Part of the Bay Area News Group

Raiders in midst of final practice before bye

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm in Oakland Raiders.

No surprises, or new faces, on the practice field today, as the Raiders get in one last practice before breaking for four days during the bye week.
Cornerback Shawntae Spencer (foot), right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes (groin), defensive tackle Richard Seymour (unknown) and tight end Richard Gordon (hamstring) are the only players not taking part in the proceedings.
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey (concussion) is practicing for the second straight day. We spotted him running routes and catching passes, too, which bodes well for a return against the Atlanta Falcons on Oct. 14.
Not sure what’s up with Seymour not practicing. He was here Monday and Tuesday. Best guess is, coach Dennis Allen gave Seymour the day off so that Seymour could fly to Georgia to spend more time with his family. That has been the case in recent seasons.

– Word is circulating that the league will consider moving the Raiders-Jaguars game to Monday night, Oct. 22, if the A’s advance to the American League Championship Series.
The A’s could host Game 6 and or 7 that weekend, depending upon how things play out. Not worth worrying about this early, but be forewarned if you have tickets to that game.

  • Share/Bookmark

[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Again as I have said in here many times before, the zone system is not just a zone system it is a combination of zone and power. If it is lst and goal from the one, teams are going to power block not zone block. It has always been that way, so defenses can’t get comfortable.

    With regards to Wylies comments, those comments kind of concern me. And what I mean by that is, when McFadden first got here, I thought the exact same thing Wylie is saying: you can just pitch the ball to McFadden he will scoot around the edge for five yards every time. And basically he can. But you can’t run your offense that way. To be a RB in the league, you have to be able to run between the tackles. That is what the new regime is trying to do with McFadden.
    =======

    SB I dont follow. macfadden is getting killed running the outside zone plays, running between the tackles is what hue brought for macfadden and that is where he has been spectacular going all the way back to college.

    Knapp is forcing the outside zone and it is not working.

    Dmac hasnt been in very many short yardage or goal line plays this season, he is struggling with the out side zone plays.

    The zone scheme only uses power blocking in short yardage and goal line mainly at least the way knapp runs it.

    we are not talking zone scheme in general but zone according to knapp.

    Knapp needs to send dmac between the tackles he hasnt and that is the big issue i have with him and his use or vision for dmac.

  • DJ Johnny

    For your guys sake…i’m rooting for the A’s.

    They play in the same stadium my football team plays in and the same town so….what the heck…GO A’s.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Bad News Rangers.

  • Dakota

    Goo A’s….soon to be the only team in Oakland….sad.

  • Im a Bra

    KoolKell Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Im A Bra Says: I’m a pissy little troll.
    ===========
    Don’t hate, regenerate “bra”.

  • realtruraider

    Vic Tafur‏@VicTafur

    Asked about lack of deep passes thus far, Carson Palmer said, “We’re going to be more aggressive. We’ve talked about it.”
    —————————————————

    Vic Tafur‏@VicTafur

    Allen: “We’ve got lot of work to do. Have to evaluate what we’re doing.” Asked if use of zone blocking was one of those things, he said yes

    ——————————————————-

    Sounds like they will change up the offense, hopefully its not to late, not sure what took them so long most fans could see there was a problem since preseason, but “we are just fans” right

  • JLofty

    Omg I can’t believe Hamilton just whiffed that….

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Knapp has to go. I’m with everyone on that. But I’m not signing on to this talk that firing Hue was a bad idea. That’s a slight on Reggie. Here is a 1 year coach who took a team from 8-8 to 8-8, and clearly had a personality in which he would not be willing to be a part of a system, as opposed to running a system. Hue’s got a powerful personality, and that’s not altogether a bad thing. But it is in this system

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Hamilton and Washington were just caught on camera arguing in dugout.

    We gonna get a Reggie Jackson/Billy Martin moment today?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Dakota Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    If you failed to watch McFadden run between the tackles over the past two seasons, then I seriously question your eyesight.

    “He is so fast, he out runs the zone block. … Sometimes your better off just pitching him that ball and letting him run around the corner and around the D. He can do that.” – BOB WYLIE
    ==========================================

    That’s Wylie’s comment, not mine.
    ==============

    sb you are missing the point of what wylie is saying here. This means let dmac run around the edge while the line man blocks for him, instead of waiting for crease to appear on the stretch play.

    toss sweep ( aka power sweep) and outside zone stretch are two totally different things.

    you may be confusing them

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    My beloved green and gold doing the impossible….AGAIN!!!!!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    SB I dont follow. macfadden is getting killed running the outside zone plays, running between the tackles is what hue brought for macfadden and that is where he has been spectacular going all the way back to college.
    ===========================================

    Basically I completely agree with your entire post. I think the issue is teams are REALLY keying on McFadden. The first few weeks we did not have Moore. Last week we did not have Heyward-Bey. The TE’s are a work in progress so teams have been ganging up on the run game, and rightfully so.

    So, what do you do? Well, McKenzie is a run guy. Allen is a run guy and Knapp is a run guy. These guys want to pound the rock. But they are going to have to heave it probably 10 times in a row at the beginning of games to open up the run game, instead of trying to run it to no avail. But that is going to be harder than it looks when your wides’s are Streator and hagan.

  • DJ Johnny

    There’s something wrong with Hamilton. The game last week against the A’s on ESPN he was misjudging everything…two times during a 5 run 1st I believe.

    Then he struck out a few times that same game…BADLY; missing by like a foot.

  • http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

    Don’t you all wish you had Norv back?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    toss sweep ( aka power sweep) and outside zone stretch are two totally different things.

    you may be confusing them
    ===================================

    Exactly. I understand what he is saying and you are right. Again, the problem is you have the two guys running the org that are going to run certain systems. If for whatever reason the players are not system fits, they will find players who are. Not change their system beliefs.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    DJ Johnny Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    There’s something wrong with Hamilton.
    ==========================================

    Rocking the pipe? Again?

  • DJ Johnny

    206.realtruraider Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    Vic Tafur‏@VicTafur

    Asked about lack of deep passes thus far, Carson Palmer said, “We’re going to be more aggressive. We’ve talked about it.”
    —————————————————

    Vic Tafur‏@VicTafur

    Allen: “We’ve got lot of work to do. Have to evaluate what we’re doing.” Asked if use of zone blocking was one of those things, he said yes

    ——————————————————-

    Sounds like they will change up the offense, hopefully its not to late, not sure what took them so long most fans could see there was a problem since preseason, but “we are just fans” right


    That’s great news. Still not enought to beat Atlanta (unless Matty Ice slips and breaks his arm in the bathroom or something) but still…it’s good news.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Norv’s too far on the other end of the spectrum. Doesn’t take enough control. Relies on players’ talent too much. Worked fine when he was with Dallas and had practically a pro bowl team.

  • Im a Bra

    A’s must have brushed that 48 hour hangover off.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Tex-ASS SUCKS!!

  • DJ Johnny

    216.Seymour Bush Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    DJ Johnny Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    There’s something wrong with Hamilton.
    ==========================================

    Rocking the pipe? Again?


    Could be…seriously.

  • http://divebomber.org Charged Up!

    San Diego Chargers team of the decade.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Yeah, I think both teams aren’t used to the sun after playing so many night games.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    It’s funny because whenever I get drunk, I’m usually fine the next day. It’s like I’m still a little drunk. Then the day after that I’m tired as hell and can’t do anything. lol. That’s what I was thinking at first when the A’s were making those errors. But I’m sure those guys would drink me under the table anyway.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    I wonder why the Pitt game was so different from the Denver game offensively for the Raiders.

    They were throwing mid range strikes, throwing to the sticks on 3rd…….

    Did they experiment with Al Saunders?

  • Dan78

    They used more no-huddle and benifited because they played at home.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    KoolKell Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    I wonder why the Pitt game was so different from the Denver game offensively for the Raiders.

    They were throwing mid range strikes, throwing to the sticks on 3rd…….

    Did they experiment with Al Saunders?
    =======================================

    To me McFadden was running harder in the Pitt game. He kind of looked like the lst two games last Sunday.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Kell, Denver was coming off a loss, facing 1-3 in the first year of their Manning era. Whole team was jacked up, including the defense. Steelers were coming off a win, thought they were going to roll right over us. I think those were the primary factors.

  • aig-raiders

    Bob Melvin should give a motivational speech to the Raiders. How about them A’s. Suck it Texas.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Denver saw us beat Pittsburgh. They figured they’d have to give us the best game of their lives to prevent 1-3. Meanwhile we went into Denver coming of a win and full of steam, thinking we were going to roll over them.

  • RaiderSam

    DMAC Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Who would you have running the offense right about now?

    Hue or Knapp?
    Its not even close.
    Knapp came in wit this BS zone scheme. Totally fked our offense up.
    Last year the problem wasn’t the offense, it was the defense.
    This year its both.
    ============================================

    I don’t think there is ANY doubt the new regime has come here to put certain systems in place, got rid of some of the very high contracts and are in the process of seeing who fits and who doesn’t in the new org.

    This was not about taking an 8-8 team and trying to win a game or two more. This year was about installing the new regimes systems and seeing which players mesh. You don’t blow up a young 11-5 team. An 8-8 team? Yep.
    =========

    You don’t blow up a 8-8 team.
    You build on it!

    ==========

    A weak 8-8 team (only real win coming against a reeling Chargers team and Palmer playing in front of La Jolla – his backyard. – us barely being able to beat the Bears and backup Caleb Hanie….us eking out a win v. the Texans, who were a playoff team. ….we should’ve blown out the Vikings, and kept them in it.

    The reality is the roster is a culmination of picks that should have been there and have long since been traded, with a number of former players barely hanging on as subs or out of the league. The draft is the key and picks were traded, the coaching staff had little if any input – and you see the result.

    Arizona is back primarily due to drafted players like O’Brien Schofield, Patrick Peterson, Calais Campbell and keeping their coaching staff (Ken Whisenhunt, who we could’ve had, if Davis let him pick his staff) – top notch assistants like Bones Fassel left due to the uncertainty of coaching, the ST struggle YET AGAIN.

    I shudder to think that Allen could be Kiffin II. Someone here using our situation as a stepping stone to a BCS head coaching gig…has it come to that?

  • RaiderSam

    KoolKell Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    I wonder why the Pitt game was so different from the Denver game offensively for the Raiders.

    They were throwing mid range strikes, throwing to the sticks on 3rd…….

    Did they experiment with Al Saunders?

    ========

    Carson got the call to change plays at the line, and was a bit more familiar with facing the Steelers from his NFC North days?

    It was like night and day – facing Peyton Manning will do that. – really wondering if Allen had growing pains, and why couldnt he get a DC with a little more experience? Why didnt he know the previous Knapp led OC struggled?

  • Dakota

    McFadden, Palmer, McFadden, Palmer blah blah blah

    IT’S THE O-LINE AND KNAPP STUPID!

  • RaiderSam

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    toss sweep ( aka power sweep) and outside zone stretch are two totally different things.

    you may be confusing them
    ===================================

    Exactly. I understand what he is saying and you are right. Again, the problem is you have the two guys running the org that are going to run certain systems. If for whatever reason the players are not system fits, they will find players who are. Not change their system beliefs.

    ===============================

    This is what blows my mind. Allen was on the same team that adjusted its offense to match Tebow’s strengths, the defense rallied and they went to the playoffs. Allen MUST see the similar issue and modify – how embarrassing was it to watch the Niners pull out the wild cat successfully v. the Jets – and we have a similar player, Terrelle Pryor -and he’s INACTIVE?!

    Either Allen has a heap of ego, or its just the growing pains of a young, stubborn coach? Its bizzarre, because don’t young people change and innovate?!

  • RaiderSam

    Dakota Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    McFadden, Palmer, McFadden, Palmer blah blah blah

    IT’S THE O-LINE AND KNAPP STUPID!

    ========

    Yeah, Dakota. Its only too obvious – were just trying to rationalize Allen doing the same thing over and over again – maybe the bye week will have him see the obvious. It really seems like these guys didnt have the contingency plan in place following the pre-season struggles.

  • RaiderSam

    ullivan44 Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
    Hamilton and Washington were just caught on camera arguing in dugout.

    We gonna get a Reggie Jackson/Billy Martin moment today?

    ========================

    Sweet revenge as Ron Washington was once with the A’s – sweep would be perfect.

    I dont know what Hamilton is arguing over -their batters were dominated by Grant Balfour.

    Not speaking too soon, but I think the Rangers simply folded – and the A’s have been accustomed to winning one run games with clutch performances…low payroll underdog triumphing over gazillion dollar rosters – Aint it grand?

    Moneyball.

  • Im a Bra

    Cook just broke the Texans back “bras”!

  • RaiderSam

    8-5 A’s …. just looking at old footage of the Bay Bridge Earthquake series….

    Giants-A’s World Series again?

  • The Oracle

    Gregg Knapp + Jeff Gillooly = Better days

  • Marks hair

    Sigh..